

From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia - info wanted

From: googoo@brewich.com (Karen)

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 00:59:23 GMT



sonyab@redredrose.labs.tek.com (Sonya Babbitt) writes:



> I would appreciate any help or info about Stevia.

> 

> The other day someone mentioned stevia to me.  I am sure

> I have seen an article about this herb, but can't seem to

> locate anything.  I looked in all my herb books and could not

> find a listing for stevia in any of them.

> 

> Can anyone help me?

> 

> Thanks,

> Sonya



Sonya,

Stevia is used as a sweetener. I have limited knowledge, and it seems to 

work well in coffee, tea, etc. I haven't tried to cook with it, but I

know people have. I have seen a book...but I can't for the life of me

remember what it was called. You might check the hfs book section near

you.

Karen



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia - info wanted

From: bear@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona.EDU (Soaring  Bear)

Date: 5 Jul 1994 21:08:49 GMT



>sonyab@redredrose.labs.tek.com (Sonya Babbitt) writes:

>> I would appreciate any help or info about Stevia.

>> 



	If you have problem getting Stevia (FDA does have

it's eye on this one and is limiting distribution) consider

licorice.   The taste is really rather similar.

bear





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia - info wanted

From: zeinejohnsonds%dfyc@dfmail.usafa.af.mil (Satin )

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 13:10:51 GMT



In article <2vci51$nrl@news.CCIT.Arizona.EDU> bear@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona.EDU (Soaring  Bear) writes:



>>sonyab@redredrose.labs.tek.com (Sonya Babbitt) writes:

>>> I would appreciate any help or info about Stevia.

>>> 



>       If you have problem getting Stevia (FDA does have

>it's eye on this one and is limiting distribution) consider

>licorice.   The taste is really rather similar.

>bear



The herbal store I use most, Wise Woman Herbal in Colorado Springs, CO, 

carries stevia and does mail order.  I don't have their toll free number 

with me, but their regular number is (719) 473-9702



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia - info wanted

From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)

Date: 5 Jul 1994 15:04 PST



In article <2us73f$n5v@tekgen.bv.tek.com>, sonyab@redredrose.labs.tek.com (Sonya Babbitt) writes...

#I would appreciate any help or info about Stevia.

# 

#The other day someone mentioned stevia to me.  I am sure

#I have seen an article about this herb, but can't seem to

#locate anything.  I looked in all my herb books and could not

#find a listing for stevia in any of them.

# 

#Can anyone help me?

# 

#Thanks,

#Sonya



   A thread about STEVIA is also currently running around on the HERBS

 mailing list from Germany, to which I subscribe.



   Here is the file on scientific references that somebody dug up:



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                                 MEDLINE EXPRESS (R) 1989-1993

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TI: Chronic administration of aqueous extract of Stevia rebaudiana

(Bert.) Bertoni in rats: endocrine effects.

AU: Oliveira-Filho-RM; Uehara-OA; Minetti-CA; Valle-LB

AD: Department of Pharmacology, University of Sao Paulo, Brazil.

SO: Gen-Pharmacol. 1989; 20(2): 187-91

    NIEHS holds this title in the library.

    Call Number: v. 9-   1978-

ISSN: 0306-3623

PY: 1989

LA: ENGLISH

CP: ENGLAND

AB: 1. The effects of the active principles of S. rebaudiana (SR)

on endocrine parameters of male rats were studied upon chronic

administrations (60 days) of a concentrated, crude extract of its

leaves, starting at prepubertal age (25-30 days old). 2. The

following determinations were made: glycemia; serum levels of T3

and T4; available binding sites in thyroid hormone-binding proteins

(T3R index); binding of [3H]R 1881 to prostate cytosol; zinc

content in prostate, testis, submandibular salivary gland (SMG) and

pancreas; water content in testis and prostate. The body weight

gain and the final weight of testis, prostate, seminal vesicle, SMG

and adrenal were also studied. 3. Results showed that the

SR-treated group did not significantly differ from the control

group, with exception to the seminal vesicle weight, which fell by

about 60%. 4. It is concluded that if the SR extract does have some

potential to decrease rat fertility at all, this effect is almost

certainly not exerted on the male.

MESH: Body-Weight-drug-effects; Endocrine-Glands-drug-effects;

Estrenes-pharmacology; Organ-Weight-drug-effects;

Prostate-metabolism; Rats-; Rats,-Inbred-Strains; Thyroxine-blood;

Triiodothyronine-blood; Zinc-blood

MESH: *Endocrine-Glands-metabolism; *Plant-Extracts-pharmacology

TG: Animal; Male; Support,-Non-U.S.-Gov't

PT: JOURNAL-ARTICLE

RN: 0; 0; 6893-02-3; 7440-66-6; 7488-70-2; 965-93-5

NM: Estrenes; Plant-Extracts; Triiodothyronine; Zinc; Thyroxine;

Metribolone

AN: 89232632

UD: 8908



                                 MEDLINE EXPRESS (R) 1989-1993

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TI: Effect of stevioside on growth and reproduction.

AU: Yodyingyuad-V; Bunyawong-S

AD: Chulalongkorn University Primate Research Centre, Faculty of

Science, Bangkok, Thailand.

SO: Hum-Reprod. 1991 Jan; 6(1): 158-65

ISSN: 0268-1161

PY: 1991

LA: ENGLISH

CP: ENGLAND

AB: The effect on growth and reproduction in hamsters of

stevioside, which is extracted from stevia leaves (Stevia

rebaudiana Bertoni) and is currently used as a non-caloric

sweetener, was investigated. Four groups of 20 one-month-old

hamsters (10 males and 10 females) were daily force-fed with

stevioside (0.0, 0.5, 1.0 and 2.5 g/kg body wt/day, respectively).

No abnormalities were found in growth and fertility in both sexes.

All males mated females efficiently and successfully. Females

showed normal 4-day oestrus cycles and became pregnant after

mating. Each female was mated and allowed to bear three litters

during the period of experiment. The duration of pregnancy, number

of fetuses, as well as number of young delivered each time from

females in the experimental groups were not significantly different

from those in the control group. The young F1 and F2 hamsters

continuously receiving stevioside via drinking water until one

month old and daily force-fed afterwards at the same doses as their

parents showed normal growth and fertility. Histological

examinations of reproductive tissues from all three generations

revealed no evidence of abnormality which could be linked to the

effects of consuming stevioside. We conclude that stevioside at a

dose as high as 2.5 g/kg body wt/day affects neither growth nor

reproduction in hamsters.

MESH: Dose-Response-Relationship,-Drug; Estrus-drug-effects;

Fertility-drug-effects; Genitalia-drug-effects; Hamsters-;

Litter-Size-drug-effects; Pregnancy-drug-effects

MESH: *Glucosides-toxicity; *Growth-drug-effects;

*Reproduction-drug-effects; *Sweetening-Agents-toxicity;

*Terpenes-toxicity; *Weight-Gain-drug-effects

TG: Animal; Female; Male; Support,-Non-U.S.-Gov't

PT: JOURNAL-ARTICLE

RN: 0; 0; 0; 57817-89-7

NM: Glucosides; Sweetening-Agents; Terpenes; stevioside

AN: 91341060

UD: 9111



                                 MEDLINE EXPRESS (R) 1989-1993

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TI: Effect of calcium and verapamil on renal function of rats

during treatment with stevioside.

AU: Melis-MS; Sainati-AR

AD: Departamento de Biologia, Faculdade de Filosofia, Ciencias e

Letras de Ribeirao Preto, Universidade de Sao Paulo, Brazil.

SO: J-Ethnopharmacol. 1991 Jul; 33(3): 257-62

ISSN: 0378-8741

PY: 1991

LA: ENGLISH

CP: SWITZERLAND

AB: A study conducted on rats using classical clearance techniques

and arterial pressure measurements showed that stevioside from

Stevia rebaudiana leaves produced a fall in systemic blood

pressure, as well as diuresis and natriuresis per milliliter of

glomerular filtration rate. Verapamil tended to increase the renal

and systemic effects of stevioside. In contrast, an infusion of

CaCl2 in rats prepared with stevioside induced a marked attenuation

of the vasodilating responses of stevioside. These data are

consistent with the possibility that stevioside may act as a

calcium antagonist, as is the case for verapamil.

MESH: Blood-Pressure-drug-effects; Drug-Synergism;

Glomerular-Filtration-Rate-drug-effects; Infusions,-Intravenous;

Rats-; Rats,-Inbred-Strains; Sodium-urine

MESH: *Calcium-Chloride-pharmacology; *Glucosides-therapeutic-use;

*Kidney-drug-effects; *Terpenes-therapeutic-use;

*Verapamil-pharmacology

TG: Animal; Male

PT: JOURNAL-ARTICLE

RN: 0; 0; 10043-52-4; 52-53-9; 57817-89-7; 7440-23-5

NM: Glucosides; Terpenes; Calcium-Chloride; Verapamil; stevioside;

Sodium

AN: 92016506

UD: 9201



                                 MEDLINE EXPRESS (R) 1989-1993

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TI: Sensitivity of ketogenesis and citric acid cycle to stevioside

inhibition of palmitate transport across the cell membrane.

AU: Constantin-J; Ishii-Iwamoto-EL; Ferraresi-Filho-O;

Kelmer-Bracht-AM; Bracht-A

AD: Departamento de Bioquimica, Universidade de Maringa, Brasil.

SO: Braz-J-Med-Biol-Res. 1991; 24(8): 767-71

ISSN: 0100-879X

PY: 1991

LA: ENGLISH

CP: BRAZIL

AB: The effect of stevioside, an inhibitor of long-chain fatty acid

transport, on ketogenesis and on [14C]CO2 production from

[1-14C]palmitate (100-300 microM) was investigated in the isolated

and hemoglobin-free perfused rat liver. Stevioside (2.5 mM), a

sweet glycoside found in Stevia rebaudiana leaves, inhibited both

parameters, but had a lower effect on [14C]CO2 production. At 300

microM palmitate and 150 microM albumin, for example, ketogenesis

was inhibited by 66.3%, whereas no significant inhibition of

[14C]CO2 was demonstrable. These results were interpreted to

reflect 1) different degrees of saturation of the citric acid cycle

and the ketogenic pathway and 2) changes in the redox state of the

mitochondrial NAD(+)-NADH couple which may also occur upon

stevioside infusion.

MESH: Cell-Membrane-Permeability; Liver-metabolism;

Oxygen-Consumption-drug-effects; Rats-

MESH: *Carbon-Dioxide-metabolism; *Citric-Acid-Cycle-drug-effects;

*Glucosides-pharmacology; *Ketone-Bodies-biosynthesis;

*Palmitates-metabolism; *Terpenes-pharmacology

TG: Animal

PT: JOURNAL-ARTICLE

RN: 0; 0; 0; 0; 124-38-9; 57817-89-7

NM: Glucosides; Ketone-Bodies; Palmitates; Terpenes;

Carbon-Dioxide; stevioside

AN: 92182714

UD: 9206



                                 MEDLINE EXPRESS (R) 1989-1993

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TI: [Effect of a new sweetening agent from Stevia rebaudiana on

animals]

TO: Vliianie novogo podslastitelia iz dvulistnika sladkogo na

organizm zhivotnykh.

AU: Smoliar-VI; Karpilovskaia-ED; Salii-NS; Tsapko-EV;

Lavrushenko-LF; Gulich-MP; Kryshevich-LP; Grigorenko-SN

SO: Vopr-Pitan. 1992 Jan-Feb(1): 60-3

ISSN: 0042-8833

PY: 1992

LA: RUSSIAN; NON-ENGLISH

CP: USSR

AB: Animals received saccharol adequate (by sweetness) to sugar,

and in 10- and 50-fold increased amounts. The data of chronic

10-month experiments studied in the time course after 2, 5, 10

months have permitted a conclusion that saccharol included into the

ration during long periods, does not produce a significant effect

on the parameters of metabolic processes and morphological picture

of the internal organs in test animals. Saccharol in 50-fold

increased amounts inhibits the activity of oxidative

phosphorylation in the hepatic tissue of rats.

MESH: Animal-Feed; Blood-Glucose-analysis;

Dose-Response-Relationship,-Drug; English-Abstract;

Mitochondria,-Liver-metabolism;

Oxidative-Phosphorylation-drug-effects;

Plant-Extracts-administration-and-dosage; Rats-;

Saccharin-administration-and-dosage;

Sweetening-Agents-administration-and-dosage

MESH: *Liver-Glycogen-metabolism;

*Mitochondria,-Liver-drug-effects; *Models,-Biological;

*Plant-Extracts-pharmacology; *Plants,-Medicinal;

*Saccharin-pharmacology; *Sweetening-Agents-pharmacology

TG: Animal; Comparative-Study

PT: JOURNAL-ARTICLE

RN: 0; 0; 0; 0; 81-07-2

NM: Blood-Glucose; Liver-Glycogen; Plant-Extracts;

Sweetening-Agents; Saccharin

AN: 92320722

UD: 9210



                                 MEDLINE EXPRESS (R) 1989-1993

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TI: Renal excretion of stevioside in rats.

AU: Melis-MS

AD: Departamento de Biologia, Faculdade de Filosofia, Ciencias e

Letras, Ribeirao Preto, Universidade de Sao Paulo, Brazil.

SO: J-Nat-Prod. 1992 May; 55(5): 688-90

ISSN: 0163-3864

PY: 1992

LA: ENGLISH

CP: UNITED-STATES

AB: The renal excretion of stevioside, a glycoside extracted from

the leaves of Stevia rebaudiana, and its effect on renal excretion

of several substances, was studied through clearance techniques in

Wistar rats. After a control period, stevioside was infused iv at

four concentrations (4, 8, 12, and 16 mg/kg). During all the

experiments no significant changes in inulin clearance (CIn) were

observed. The stevioside infusion induced a significant increase in

the p-aminohippuric acid clearance (CPAH), fractional sodium

excretion (FeNa+), urinary flow as percent of glomerular filtration

rate (V/GFR), and glucose clearance (CG) when compared to controls,

but these effects were absent with the dose of 4 mg/kg. The

stevioside clearance (CS) was higher than the CIn and lower than

the CPAH at all the doses employed in this study. These results

indicate that the stevioside is secreted by renal tubular

epithelium and induces diuresis and natriuresis and a fall in renal

tubular reabsorption of glucose.

MESH: Rats-; Rats,-Inbred-Strains

MESH: *Glucosides-pharmacokinetics; *Kidney-metabolism;

*Terpenes-pharmacokinetics

TG: Animal; Male

PT: JOURNAL-ARTICLE

RN: 0; 0; 57817-89-7

NM: Glucosides; Terpenes; stevioside

AN: 92388900

UD: 9212



                                 MEDLINE EXPRESS (R) 1989-1993

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TI: Stevioside effect on renal function of normal and hypertensive

rats.

AU: Melis-MS

AD: Departamento de Biologia, Faculdade de Filosofia, Ciencias e

Letras de Ribeirao Preto, Universidade de Sao Paulo, Brazil.

SO: J-Ethnopharmacol. 1992 Jun; 36(3): 213-7

ISSN: 0378-8741

PY: 1992

LA: ENGLISH

CP: SWITZERLAND

AB: Physiological and pharmacological experiments have suggested

that stevioside from the leaves of Stevia rebaudiana acts as a

typical systemic vasodilator. The effect of stevioside on renal

function in both normal and with experimental renal hypertension

rats (GII) was evaluated using clearance techniques. Stevioside

provoked hypotension, diuresis and natriuresis in both the normal

and hypertensive rats. Normal rats presented an increase in renal

plasma flow (RPF) and glomerular filtration rate (GFR) constant

following stevioside administration. The last effect is in part due

to vasodilation of both the afferent and efferent arterioles.

Moreover, stevioside infusion in hypertensive rats caused an

increase in RPF and GFR. These data are consistent with impairment

of a renal autoregulation mechanism in this experimental

hypertensive model.

MESH: Blood-Pressure-drug-effects; Diuresis-drug-effects;

Glomerular-Filtration-Rate-drug-effects; Kidney-blood-supply;

Kidney-physiology; Kidney-physiopathology;

Natriuresis-drug-effects; Rats-; Rats,-Wistar;

Renal-Circulation-drug-effects; Vasodilation-drug-effects

MESH: *Glucosides-pharmacology;

*Hypertension,-Renovascular-physiopathology; *Kidney-drug-effects;

*Terpenes-pharmacology

TG: Animal; Male

PT: JOURNAL-ARTICLE

RN: 0; 0; 57817-89-7

NM: Glucosides; Terpenes; stevioside

AN: 93061106

UD: 9302



                                 MEDLINE EXPRESS (R) 1989-1993

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TI: Evaluation of the cariogenic potential of the intense natural

sweeteners stevioside and rebaudioside A.

AU: Das-S; Das-AK; Murphy-RA; Punwani-IC; Nasution-MP; Kinghorn-AD

AD: Department of Pediatric Dentistry, College of Dentistry,

University of Illinois, Chicago 60612.

SO: Caries-Res. 1992; 26(5): 363-6

ISSN: 0008-6568

PY: 1992

LA: ENGLISH

CP: SWITZERLAND

AB: Stevioside and rebaudioside A, two intense natural sweeteners,

that are constituents of the South American plant Stevia

rebaudiana, were tested for cariogenicity in albino Sprague-Dawley

rats. Sixty rat pups colonized with Streptococcus sobrinus were

divided into four groups and fed stevioside, rebaudioside A or

sucrose added to basal diet 2000 as follows: group 1, 30% sucrose;

group 2, 0.5% stevioside; group 3, 0.5% rebaudioside A, and group

4, no addition. All four groups were sacrificed after 5 weeks. S.

sobrinus counts were made and caries was evaluated according to

Keyes' technique. There were no differences in food and water

intake and weight gains between the four groups. There were

significant differences in sulcal caries scores (p < 0.02) and S.

sobrinus counts (p < 0.05) between group 1 and the other three

groups. There were no significant differences between the

stevioside, rebaudioside A and no-addition groups. It was concluded

that neither stevioside nor rebaudioside A is cariogenic under the

conditions of this study.

MESH: Colony-Count,-Microbial; Dental-Caries-microbiology;

Dental-Plaque-chemistry; Dental-Plaque-microbiology;

Diet,-Cariogenic; Evaluation-Studies; Rats-; Rats,-Sprague-Dawley;

Root-Caries-etiology;

Streptococcus-sobrinus-isolation-and-purification;

Streptococcus-sobrinus-physiology; Sucrose-pharmacology

MESH: *Cariostatic-Agents-pharmacology; *Dental-Caries-etiology;

*Glucosides-pharmacology; *Sweetening-Agents-pharmacology;

*Terpenes-pharmacology

TG: Animal; Support,-Non-U.S.-Gov't

PT: JOURNAL-ARTICLE

RN: 0; 0; 0; 0; 57-50-1; 57817-89-7; 58543-16-1

NM: Cariostatic-Agents; Glucosides; Sweetening-Agents; Terpenes;

Sucrose; stevioside; rebaudioside-A

AN: 93105459

UD: 9303

SB: DENTAL





















                                 TOXLINE 1981-1987

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SF: TOXBIB

TI: Effects of Stevia rebaudiana natural products on rat liver

mitochondria.

AU: Kelmer-Bracht-A; Alvarez-M; Bracht-A

SO: Biochem-Pharmacol; VOL 34, ISS 6, 1985, P873-82

PY: 1985

LA: ENGLISH

AB: The effects of several natural products extracted from the

leaves of Stevia rebaudiana on rat liver mitochondria were

investigated. The compounds used were stevioside (a non-caloric

sweetener), steviolbioside, isosteviol and steviol. Total aqueous

extracts of the leaves were also investigated. S. rebaudiana

natural products inhibited oxidative phosphorylation, ATPase

activity NADH-oxidase activity, succinate-oxidase activity,

succinate dehydrogenase, and L-glutamate dehydrogenase. The ADP/O

ratio was decreased. Substrate respiration (state II respiration)

was increased at low concentrations (up to 0.5 mM) and inhibited at

higher concentrations (1 mM or more). In uncoupled mitochondria,

inhibition of substrate respiration was the only effect observed.

Net proton ejection induced by succinate and swelling induced by

several substrates were inhibited. Of the compounds investigated,

the sweet principle stevioside was less active. It was concluded

that, in addition to the inhibitory effects, S. rebaudiana natural

products may also act as uncouplers of oxidative phosphorylation.

The possible physiologic consequences of the ingestion of

stevioside and S. rebaudiana aqueous extracts are discussed.

MESH: Adenosine-Diphosphate-metabolism;

Adenosine-Triphosphate-metabolism;

Adenosinetriphosphatase-analysis; Animal-; Glucosides-pharmacology;

Glutamates-metabolism; In-Vitro; Mitochondria,-Liver-metabolism;

Multienzyme-Complexes-analysis;

NADH,-NADPH-Oxidoreductases-analysis;

Oxygen-Consumption-drug-effects; Phosphorylation-;

Plant-Extracts-pharmacology; Proteins-metabolism; Rats-;

Sweetening-Agents-pharmacology; Terpenes-pharmacology

MESH: *Mitochondria,-Liver-drug-effects; *Plants,-Medicinal

PT: JOURNAL-ARTICLE

RN: EC 1.6. (NADH, NADPH Oxidoreductases); EC 1.6.- (NADH2

oxidase); EC 3.6.1.3 (Adenosinetriphosphatase); 0 (Glucosides); 0

(Glutamates); 0 (Multienzyme Complexes); 0 (Plant Extracts); 0

(Sweetening Agents); 0 (Terpenes); 56-65-5 (Adenosine

Triphosphate); 56-86-0 (glutamic acid); 57817-89-7 (stevioside);

58-64-0 (Adenosine Diphosphate)

ISSN: 0006-2952

CO: 9Z4

UD: 8506

AN: 85149533



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Another recommended book

From: googoo@brewich.com (Karen)

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 01:01:02 GMT



sbm@uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) writes:



> In article <Crwspv.Jtp@sunfish.usd.edu>, serickso@charlie.usd.edu wrote:

> > 

> > I picked up a book called _Witches Heal_ by Billie Potts.  Although,

> > she limited the selection of herbs she talks about, I found it to be a good

> > starting and informational source.

> > 

> > Also, I would like to plant an herb garden next spring.  Besides growing th

> > common herbs (thyme, chives, etc) I would also like to plant some of the 

> > more uncommon.  Any idea where I might be able to order the seed or root st

> > ?  I guess catalogs or phone #'s, etc is what I'm looking for.

> > 

> > Any help would be appreciated.

> > 

> > Thanks, 

> > Sandy

> > serickso@charlie.usd.edu

> > a.k.a. Lit'l Cyclone

> 

> Companion Plants has a catalog full of unusual herbs. I have

> self-heal, vervain, skullcap, and valerian from them. They also carry

> all kinds of basils and thymes. I've noticed mullein, elecampane,

> foxglove, hemlock, and kava-kava, which was $75 for one plant. :-)

> 

> I don't have the address on me, but I'll get it.

> 

> Stacey





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Another recommended book

From: googoo@brewich.com (Karen)

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 01:01:54 GMT



sbm@uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) writes:



> In article <Crwspv.Jtp@sunfish.usd.edu>, serickso@charlie.usd.edu wrote:

> > 

> > I picked up a book called _Witches Heal_ by Billie Potts.  Although,

> > she limited the selection of herbs she talks about, I found it to be a good

> > starting and informational source.

> > 

> > Also, I would like to plant an herb garden next spring.  Besides growing th

> > common herbs (thyme, chives, etc) I would also like to plant some of the 

> > more uncommon.  Any idea where I might be able to order the seed or root st

> > ?  I guess catalogs or phone #'s, etc is what I'm looking for.

> > 

> > Any help would be appreciated.

> > 

> > Thanks, 

> > Sandy

> > serickso@charlie.usd.edu

> > a.k.a. Lit'l Cyclone

> 

> Companion Plants has a catalog full of unusual herbs. I have

> self-heal, vervain, skullcap, and valerian from them. They also carry

> all kinds of basils and thymes. I've noticed mullein, elecampane,

> foxglove, hemlock, and kava-kava, which was $75 for one plant. :-)

> 

> I don't have the address on me, but I'll get it.

> 

> Stacey



Sandy,

Oops, I just think I sent a blank one of these - keyboard gremlins are

active today!

Witches Heal was my very first herb book about 8 years ago = I respect 

the hell out of that woman!

Enjoy,

Karen



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Another recommended book

From: Elise_-_Swope@cup.portal.com

Date: Wed,  6 Jul 94 00:20:49 PDT



Nichols Garden nursery: Herbs and rare seeds is one of my very favorite

catalog nurseries.  They carry a large variety of common and uncommon herbs,

heirloom seeds, books, esssential oils, teas, brewing supplies...

   Their prices are very good, and most signifcantly; I've gotten near %100

germination with their seeds.  They also pack orders and print catalogs with

recycled materials.  Their number is (503) 928-9280.  Address:

Nichols Garden Nursery

1190 North pacific Highway

Albany, Oregon 97321-4598

Enjoy!









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Basil Uses?

From: Karen.Gaughan@f302.n268.z1.fidonet.org (Karen Gaughan)

Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 21:31:38 -0500



kj> Anyone have any uses for Basil?  I've got some growing out of control

 kj> and I don't know what all to do with it! :)

Hi Julia;

Basil, especially sweet basil is one of my favorite herbs.

Here are some of the ways I preserve it.



Remove leaves from stems. If you have a little food chopper put them in there

and chop them up to the consistency you want. Use the pluse button to control

this.  I then add water or olive oil or canola oil, (I prefer olive) then

hand stir and pour in an ice cube tray.  Freeze, the next day remove the

cubes from the tray, label a Ziploc bag and store them in there.  I use the

cubes for anything I want to add basil to.  Spaghetti sauces, pasta salads,

soups.  I even take fresh garlic and oregano and chop them with the basil and

put in the cubes, that way you have all the ingredients in 1 cube. I then use

however many I need.



I also dry basil. I have a food dehydrator and it does a great job. You can

hang them upside down and dry that way also. Then chop leaves and store in

a dark place or a tinted ovaltine jar.



Now, with all that fresh basil you should be making pesto sauce!! It is

wonderful!  If you need a receipe just write back.



Another way to freeze basil is to take the leaves and add layers to a pint or

quart canning jar. Pour a little oil over each layer and freeze.



Hope this helps.

Karen in Pa.





... Every Silver lining has a clone around it.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Basil Uses?

From: cmergel@obelix.whu-koblenz.de (Corinna Mergelsberg)

Date: 1 Jul 1994 19:56:44 GMT



In article <2uqrhb$27a@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, jkrute@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (krute julia ann) writes:

|> Anyone have any uses for Basil?  I've got some growing out of control

|> and I don't know what all to do with it! :)





You are lucky, mine doesn't grow at all this year!



Have you tried making pesto (a spaghetti sauce)?

Here is the recipe (serves about four):



Combine 2 handful of basil leaves, 2 cloves garlic, 1 tablespoon pine nuts, 6 tablespoons

freshly grated parmigiano or pecorino cheese (or a mixture of both), 100 ml/5 ounces olive

oil, salt and pepper in a food blender and blend.



(You can freeze the mixture at this point if you want to.)



Cook spaghetti and add 2-3 tablespoons of cooking liquid to pesto sauce, stir, then toss with

the spaghetti till they are all green and garlicky...



It's great!





Corinna

cmergel@whu-koblenz.de









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Basil Uses?

From: forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu (Eric J. Forbis)

Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 07:41:18 GMT



In article <2uqrhb$27a@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jkrute@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (krute julia ann) writes:

>Anyone have any uses for Basil?  I've got some growing out of control

>and I don't know what all to do with it! :)



I've got some Cinnamon Basil, Camphor Basil, and Sacred Basil doing their 

thing. The Cinnamon Basil has obvious culinary uses, but the Camphor and 

Sacred Basil are a bit more trying. The Sacred Basil (from India) is growing 

very slowly, and I'm worried about harvesting it at all. It seems to have a 

camphorish odor, and would be best used for a muscle rub or an incense. Anyone 

know the traditional use?



Regards,







===================================================================

Eric J. Forbis      forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu

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"Conscience, they tell us, is the creature of prejudice, but I know 

from experience that conscience persists in following the order of

nature in spite of all the laws of man." _Emile_, Rousseau

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Basil Uses?

From: jessicar@microsoft.com (Jessica Reading)

Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 20:33:25 GMT



I knew some Italian people who grew basil and would rub the leaves

on their exposed skin as a mosquito repellent. I prefer pesto myself, but 

hey, if you've really got tons of it, why not?!









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Home Remedy for Nausea

From: Karen.Gaughan@f302.n268.z1.fidonet.org (Karen Gaughan)

Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 21:43:10 -0500



Hi;

My favorite remedy for nausea is Coca Cola syrup.  I take 1-2 teaspoons

and put it over crushed ice.  Then sip it.  It is very sweet and soothing

to that churning stomach.



I once had the flu so bad I could not lift my little head off the pillow.

This was the ONLY thing that made me feel better.  You can ask you pharmacist

to make you up a bottle. I always have 2  8oz bottles at home. I even keep

one in my car.



I take it for any nausea.  Don't know about pregnant women though. I would

check with the Dr first, also wouldn't suggest it for diabetics because of

all the sugar in it.



Karen in Pa.



... Silver Xpress!...... Don't Read Mail Without it!









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs suppliers in N Chicago area?

From: hotspur@MCS.COM (Michael Faulkner)

Date: 1 Jul 1994 00:52:36 -0500





I am curious about this too, so any posts would be appreciated. 

I am mainly interested if there is a place to buy bulk, unpackaged

herbs.  



For the initial poster, there is a fairly good health food store

called "Regal Foods" I believe, on Southport and Waveland (about the

3600 block North), right across from the Jewel. 



They carry a good supply of capsuled and packaged herbs, including 

a nearly complete line of the "Nature's Way" brand, which I have found

affordable and good. 



Hope that helps!

Mike

hotspur@mcs.com











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs suppliers in N Chicago area?

From: Michael@mcs.com (Michael J Pfafflin)

Date: 3 Jul 1994 16:10:04 GMT



In article <2v0av4$cb7@Venus.mcs.com>

hotspur@MCS.COM (Michael Faulkner) writes:



> 

> I am curious about this too, so any posts would be appreciated. 

> I am mainly interested if there is a place to buy bulk, unpackaged

> herbs.  

> 

> For the initial poster, there is a fairly good health food store

> called "Regal Foods" I believe, on Southport and Waveland (about the

> 3600 block North), right across from the Jewel. 

> 

> They carry a good supply of capsuled and packaged herbs, including 

> a nearly complete line of the "Nature's Way" brand, which I have found

> affordable and good. 

> 

> Hope that helps!

> Mike

> hotspur@mcs.com

> 

I found that a good area to buy capsuled herbs in the Chicago area is

the Osco Drug Store chain. They have recently added herbal, homeopathic

and health foods to their stores. I have found that the selection seems

to vary by store, but the 2 stores I shop both carry a decent

selection. They also have frequent sales at 30% off, which makes the

prices cheaper then anywhere else I have shopped. They carry the

Natures Bounty and Natures Way line amoung others.



Michael@mcs.com



"Just give me the truth.

 All I wan't is the truth" 

John Lennon









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cinnamon and cassia (was, Re: Coke and coke (was Re: Coke and meat))

From: rudolph@cis.umassd.edu (Lee Rudolph)

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:28:48 GMT



mcc@nsscmail.southplainfieldnj.ncr.com (Mike Czaplinski) spills 

the Big Secret ingredient of Coca-Cola:



>(it's not Kola nuts, but Cassia, which is known as 'Chinese

>Cinnamon'(?)), 



These days, if you buy "cinnamon" in the US (at least), it really

*is* cassia.  True (Saigon) cinnamon has been unavailable for a long

long time.  One wonders why; and whether it will come back on the

market soon, possibly laced with Agent Orange (cf. the paraquat

thread).



They taste similar (cassia has a bitter overtone absent from true

cinnamon--which may be what the CC Corp wants from it; cinnamon has 

a sort of sweetness I can't detect in cassia), look alike when 

powdered, but can be distinguished in the "stick" form: Chinese

cinnamon forms a "double" roll, Saigon (perhaps also Ceylon, which

I haven't seen or tasted as far as I know) a single one.



Lee "Coke, Coke, Coke Chi Minh!" Rudolph 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re(2): Alcoholism HELP!!!!!!

From: glenn_j._valin@babylon.montreal.qc.ca (glenn j. valin)

Date: 01 Jul 1994 12:44:24 -0000



>From: anonymous <rhondo@cerf.net>

>Please post here or e-mail to rhondo@cerf.net!

>Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

>Subject: Alcoholim HELP!!!!!!

>Date: 22 Jun 1994 17:36:41 GMT

>

>I need immediate help with problems associated with alcoholism!



I'll sugest high fiber diet (lots of lentils).  Lemmon tea (very soothing)

and most important find find a way to grieve well (the emotions seem to

change the cemistry of the brain, you could try reading John Bradshaw's

books),  find a few good friends.



 Also find youself a spiritual adviser (maybe Joseph Cammbel's teachings of

the mystics)

  Grant me the serenity to except the things I can't change, the courage to

change the things I can't and the wisdom to know the difference.  

As Bradshaw says"This I think is the differance between being willfull and

willing."











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream enchancing Herbs?

From: nakamurt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (NAKAMURA TAMMIE K)

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:17:02 GMT



"Jack Previdi" <p00020@psilink.com> writes:

>>Hi.  Any recommendations on herbs/vitamins that would enhance dreaming?  

>>I had heard that vitamin B12 was good to take just before sleep.  Any 

>>thoughts/suggestions would be most welcome 



2-3 DROPS DMAE (liquid only) under tongue just before going to sleep.  

Don't use 1-2 mls as bottle recommends..... will induce insomnia.



DMAE is a precursor to a neural transmitter.  I have found that it induces

epic dream states and is useful in meditation.



DMAE is not to be used chronically.....may result in depression with prolonged 

use.  It's a good idea to include a good B-complex, calcium/magnesium 

and vit E supplements in your diet if you use DMAE a lot

.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream enchancing Herbs?

From: EWikstrom@edc.org (Erik Wikstrom)

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:23:28 GMT



> >Hi.  Any recommendations on herbs/vitamins that would enhance dreaming?  

> >I had heard that vitamin B12 was good to take just before sleep.  Any 

> >thoughts/suggestions would be most welcome.

> >



You might try putting mugwort in your pillow (I'm told it can also be

smoked)



peace and gassho --



Walker



______________________________________________________________________________

  "The true miracle is not walking on water or walking on air,

   but simply walking on the earth."    -- Tich Nhat Hanh









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream enchancing Herbs?

From: johnnyo@teleport.com

Date: 2 Jul 1994 15:55:35 -0700



Norbert Hoffmann (hoffmann@stolaf.edu) wrote:

: In article <2up7q9$ihr@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> scook02@cc.emory.edu (Skip  Cook) writes:



: >Hi.  Any recommendations on herbs/vitamins that would enhance dreaming?  

: >I had heard that vitamin B12 was good to take just before sleep.  Any 

: >thoughts/suggestions would be most welcome.



Hello,

	While I am unqualified to make any recommendations, I can tell 

you that in my personal experience St. John's Wort intensified my dreams 

significantly. I used a tincture, thirty-five drops three times daily. I 

am a large male, so that may or may not be too much--I would talk to 

a naturopath or other practitioner before starting. It is photosensitive 

for one thing, and may have other side effects... Good luck

-- 

the opinions expressed here are not neccesarily shared by Teleport.com. 

And oh yes, I have been told, by a reliable source, that with the 

exception of the catsup, Mcdonalds' menu is completely carcinogenic.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream enchancing Herbs?

From: kmriley@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Katherine M Riley)

Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 03:23:43 GMT



In article <2up7q9$ihr@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> scook02@cc.emory.edu (Skip  Cook) writes:

>

>Hi.  Any recommendations on herbs/vitamins that would enhance dreaming?  

>I had heard that vitamin B12 was good to take just before sleep.  Any 

>thoughts/suggestions would be most welcome.





I can recommend anise....works me to sleep and gives me great dreams..



-katherine riley

kmriley@midway.uchicago.edu

**University of Chicago**















From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream enchancing Herbs?

From: jesse@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au (Jesse Galea)

Date: 4 Jul 94 07:13:54 GMT



kmriley@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Katherine M Riley) writes:



>In article <2up7q9$ihr@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> scook02@cc.emory.edu (Skip  Cook) writes:

>>

>>Hi.  Any recommendations on herbs/vitamins that would enhance dreaming?  

>>I had heard that vitamin B12 was good to take just before sleep.  Any 

>>thoughts/suggestions would be most welcome.





>I can recommend anise....works me to sleep and gives me great dreams..



>-katherine riley

>kmriley@midway.uchicago.edu

>**University of Chicago**







Rosemary is supposed to be very good for memory.Just simply cut the 

branch/leaves leave to dry place in pot pouri with dried citrus rind (any 

citrus) and some pepper grounds.the smell of this stimulates memory DO 

NOT EAT.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream enchancing Herbs?

From: rkjb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ken Brown)

Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 08:37:50 +0000





Herbs/vitamins to enhance dreaming.



Vitamin B6, 3 or 4 tablets (commonly recommended for pre-menstrual syndrome)

before sleep. You will have a disturbed night with vivid dreams. Anything

with ephedrine would increase the effect (if you get to sleep at all)

but the B6 does the trick.



I don't recommend this, there may be health effects, especially with repeated

use. You will certainly feel strange in the morning.



I have heard doctors state that B6 should be restricted to prescription-only

because some people have apparently (this is only anecdotal) permenantly

damaged themselves by regular high doses. Mostly young women who are

attracted to it because it genuinly helps PMS.



Going to bed thirsty can affect your dreams as well, especialally if you are

very thirsty. In the limit you can have hallucinations & apparent

out-of-the-body experiences. I once read a manual of "spiritual" excercises

which recommended drinking salt water. To encourage visions.



All this is for information only. I wouldnt want to be responsible for

anything that happened if anyone was stupid enough tho try any of it. I

suspect that what is happening is that disturbed sleep promotes the

remembering of dreams you would have had anyway. Both thirst and speed are

very sleep-disturbing.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream enchancing Herbs?

From: rfentres@ruacad.ac.runet.edu (Robert Fentress)

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 18:56:20 GMT



NAKAMURA TAMMIE K (nakamurt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote:

: "Jack Previdi" <p00020@psilink.com> writes:

: >>Hi.  Any recommendations on herbs/vitamins that would enhance dreaming?  

: >>I had heard that vitamin B12 was good to take just before sleep.  Any 

: >>thoughts/suggestions would be most welcome 



: 2-3 DROPS DMAE (liquid only) under tongue just before going to sleep.  

: Don't use 1-2 mls as bottle recommends..... will induce insomnia.



: DMAE is a precursor to a neural transmitter.  I have found that it induces

: epic dream states and is useful in meditation.



: DMAE is not to be used chronically.....may result in depression with prolonged 

: use.  It's a good idea to include a good B-complex, calcium/magnesium 

: and vit E supplements in your diet if you use DMAE a lot

: .



Calea Zacatechichi is used by the Chontal people of Chiapas as a 

divinatory medicine.  It is reported to cause drowsiness followed by 

cat-naps during which intense, lucid and profound dreams are said to 

occur.  Available from the company ". . . of the jungle". Send $2.00 to 

them for a catalogue which includes many other useful herbs. Their 

address is p.o. box 1801, sebastopol, CA  95473.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help for a sleepless friend

From: tlgide@tsrv1.ts.wm.edu (Thomas Lyon Gideon)

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 18:29:36 GMT





I wonder if anyone can help me.  I followed the last half of the l-

tryptophan thread and it got me to thinking.  A good friend of mine suffers 

from sleep and anxiety disorders related to her seretonine (sp?) levels.  

Could anyone who participated in that thread or who might know something 

that might help, anything at all, please mail me at tlgide@birds.wm.edu?  

Thanks in advance.  (:



Lyon









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Small Grinder

From: EWikstrom@edc.org (Erik Wikstrom)

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:06:24 GMT



In article <dww5.73.2E102C88@email.cac.psu.edu>, dww5@email.cac.psu.edu

(Dale Woika) wrote:

> 

> 

> >From JIMROOKE@DELPHI.COM  To ALL  on 06-25-94

> 

> >J [I'm interesred in obtaining a small grinder suitable for grinding

> >J [dried leaves, roots and other herbal components. If anyone knows

> 

> A mortar & pestle is a little cumbersome to grind plant materials in any 

> quantity . . .



I was recently given a small coffee grinder as a wedding present and it

says (actually, its packaging says) that it's also a spice grinder.  Might

be just the thing you're looking for.)



peace and gassho --



Walker



______________________________________________________________________________

  "The true miracle is not walking on water or walking on air,

   but simply walking on the earth."    -- Tich Nhat Hanh









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal alphabet

From: EWikstrom@edc.org (Erik Wikstrom)

Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:13:05 GMT



In article <2upats$15e@netserv.unmc.edu>, meckblad@netserv.unmc.edu (Miriam

Eckblade) wrote:

> 

> Hello herb enthusiats!

> 	This is a 'just for fun' query. I was thinking the other

> 	night about all the different herbs there are, and got to

> 	wondering if I could come up with an herbal alphabet.

> 	This is what I came up with - additions welcome.

> 

> 	a - anise

> 	b - bay, basil

> 	c - caraway, cardamom

> 	d - dill

> 	e - ???  -- ECHINACEA (did I spell that right?)

> 	f - fennel, fennugrek(sp?)

> 	g - garlic

> 	h - horseradish

> 	i - ???

> 	j - juniper

> 	k - ???

> 	l - lemon balm, lemon verbena

> 	m - marjoram

> 	n - ???  -- NETTLE

> 	o - oregano

> 	p - parsley

> 	q - ???

> 	r - rosemary

> 	s - sage

> 	t - thyme

> 	u - ???

> 	v - ???  -- VALERIAN

> 	w - ???  -- WORMWOOD

> 	x - "the mystery plant"

> 	y - yarrow

> 	z - ???

> 

> Miriam Eckblade

> University of Nebraska Medical Center

> meckblad@netserv.unmc.edu





A fun project.  Somewhere I heard (read?) that The Nature Company offers a

poster with an herbal alphabet.



peace and gassho --



Walker



______________________________________________________________________________

  "The true miracle is not walking on water or walking on air,

   but simply walking on the earth."    -- Tich Nhat Hanh









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herb business faq

From: seaseal@aol.com (SEA SEAL)

Date: 1 Jul 1994 19:25:02 -0400



In article <2t3lni$ee0@search01.news.aol.com>, kjc1122@aol.com

(KJC1122) writes: I would also love a copy of such a posting.[of a

FAQ for herb businesses]

Sea Seal writes: me too. Any sources of info or people to contact

also would be appreciated. I am starting to grow herbs again after

some time. Looking for heritage and organic seeds and cuttings, also.

Snail Mail to

Cecile Mills, 307 Vega Road, Watsonville, CA 95076 













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs and the FDA

From: bear@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona.EDU (Soaring  Bear)

Date: 1 Jul 1994 23:54:40 GMT



In article <1994Jun29.185446.14966@twg.com> sandy@twg.com (Sandy Vrooman) writes:

> have heard two instances of doctors saying herbs have killed 2 to 4 people

>in the last year. Has anyone else heard this? Is this an urban legend

>propigated by the AMA or some such group to be used as a scare technique

>by doctors and even to scare doctors?

>Sandy Vrooman

>

	Even if there were, that's still much LESS than the

number killed by aspirin!





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*  UUUU AAA  U.A. New Pharmacy 404, Tucson, AZ 85721   *

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal remedy for dog's ear mites?

From: Andrew Wang <andywang@crown.berkeley.edu>

Date: 2 Jul 1994 01:34:57 GMT



Hi!  My dog has a lot of brown stuff in one of his ears.  I clean

it out but it keeps coming back.  I think it is ear mites.  Does

anyone have a herbal remedy?



Thanks in advance











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal remedy for dog's ear mites?

From: sbm@uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin)

Date: 6 Jul 1994 15:10:07 GMT



In article <2v2g81$pjr@agate.berkeley.edu>, Andrew Wang

<andywang@crown.berkeley.edu> wrote:

> 

> Hi!  My dog has a lot of brown stuff in one of his ears.  I clean

> it out but it keeps coming back.  I think it is ear mites.  Does

> anyone have a herbal remedy?

> 

> Thanks in advance



Yup. :-)



If you have mullein oil, use that as the base. You can make

your own by buying enough mullein flowers to fill a small

jar (like a small mayonnaise jar). Cover the flowers with

olive oil, leave in a sunny window sill for two weeks, shaking

the jar every day. Strain out the flowers, put NEW flowers

in the jar, and start over again. Finally, strain the flowers,

put the mullein oil in a dark glass bottle, add a few drops

of Vit E oil as a preservative, and store in a cool place. 

Dosage is a couple of drops in each ear 3/x day approx.

Mullein oil is EXCELLENT for ear infections, earaches, ear mites.

Do not use if you have a perforated eardrum. 



There are variations on this theme. You can take a

small amount of olive oil, soak a fresh clove of garlic

in it overnight and use the strained oil for ear drops. 

You can also soak the garlic in mullein oil and do the same.





Good luck

Stacey









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal remedy for dog's ear mites?

From: mette@castle.ed.ac.uk (M J Tranter)

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 12:14:17 GMT



In article <sbm-060794095940@scorpio.ucs.uoknor.edu> sbm@uoknor.edu (Stacey B. Martin) writes:

>In article <2v2g81$pjr@agate.berkeley.edu>, Andrew Wang

><andywang@crown.berkeley.edu> wrote:

>> 

>> Hi!  My dog has a lot of brown stuff in one of his ears.  I clean

>> it out but it keeps coming back.  I think it is ear mites.  Does

>> anyone have a herbal remedy?

>> 

>> Thanks in advance

>

>Yup. :-)

>

>If you have mullein oil, use that as the base. You can make

>your own by buying enough mullein flowers to fill a small

>jar (like a small mayonnaise jar). Cover the flowers with

>olive oil, leave in a sunny window sill for two weeks, shaking

>the jar every day. Strain out the flowers, put NEW flowers

>in the jar, and start over again. Finally, strain the flowers,

>put the mullein oil in a dark glass bottle, add a few drops

>of Vit E oil as a preservative, and store in a cool place. 

>Dosage is a couple of drops in each ear 3/x day approx.

>Mullein oil is EXCELLENT for ear infections, earaches, ear mites.

>Do not use if you have a perforated eardrum. 

>

>There are variations on this theme. You can take a

>small amount of olive oil, soak a fresh clove of garlic

>in it overnight and use the strained oil for ear drops. 

>You can also soak the garlic in mullein oil and do the same.



Would this work for flies/mites that get into horses ears?



Mette

>

>

>Good luck

>Stacey





-- 

Mette Tranter

<mette@uk.ac.ed.castle>  --<*>--  Librarians rule OOOK!

<mjt@uk.ac.ed.geovax> 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal remedy for dog's ear mites?

From: Libby Goldstein <libby@igc.apc.org>

Date: 08 Jul 94 18:14 PDT



This isn't an herbal method for dealing with earmites, but it does work. Just

keep cleaning the ears with mineral oil. Drip some into the ear and massage

the ear, then wipe it out with cotton or just put the mineral oil on the cotton

and swab the ears out.



Libby









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: yohimbe

From: xris@halcyon.com (Chris Petersen)

Date: 2 Jul 1994 05:33:51 GMT



In article <2982095904.4.p01600@psilink.com>, "amazon" <p01600@psilink.com>

wrote:



> Has anyone out there tried yohimbe?  I got some powdered yohimbe bark 

> at an NYC herb shop, and I am undecided on how to prepare it.  Can anyone

> share their experiences, if any, with this herb?  News posting or 

> e-mail is equally welcome!



I am a newbie to this group, but I do know a little about the herb from

what I've read.  If you do intend to take it, I'm sure aware that it's a

pretty powerful aphrodesiac.  I must warn that it's effects are sometimes

the opposite of what is desired through an aphrodesiac.



For such purposes, I have read that the bark has been: smoked, drank in

tea, rubbed as a lotion, eaten.......   you name it.



                              --------------

   Greetings from Western Washington, USA.  The land of Liquid Sunshine!



          Chris Petersen                         xris@halcyon.com









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: yohimbe

From: lbrown@nmsu.edu (lanthanum)

Date: 2 Jul 1994 17:46:21 GMT



amazon (p01600@psilink.com) wrote:

: Has anyone out there tried yohimbe?  I got some powdered yohimbe bark 

: at an NYC herb shop, and I am undecided on how to prepare it.  Can anyone

: share their experiences, if any, with this herb?  News posting or 

: e-mail is equally welcome!



: Thanks in advance,



This is the information I have gathered on yohimbe from various

sources. I have not tried it and am making no recommendations. The

"Green Egg" article, referenced at the bottom, is really worth reading

if you're interested in yohimbe.



--------------------------------------------------------------------

Name: Yohimbe (Corynanthe yohimbe [GE] or Pausinystalia johimbe [R]))



Descriptions and comments: A large tree, growing 20 to 50 feet,

yohimbe has leaves that are oblong ovals, 3 to 5 inches long.

Yohimbe is used by Bantu-speaking tribes as a matrimonial sacrament. 

The inner bark is the part of the tree that is used.



Cautions: Yohimbe is a monoamine oxidase inhibitor and should not be

used with sedatives, tranqs, antihistamines, narcotics and large

ammounts of alcohol. These combinations may cause a low blood pressure

crises. In combination with amphetamines, LSD, cocaine and dairy

products severe high blood pressure may result. It is recommended that

no other drug be used within a 10 hr. period. Librium or sodium

amobarbitol partially block yohimbe's effects. [GE] May cause

temporary impotence. Considered an unsafe drug by the FDA, a yohimbe

overdose can cause paralysis, fatigue, stomach disorders and death.

Should be avoided by anyone with hypotension, diabetes, heart, liver

or kidney diease, and nervous disorders, esp. schizophrenia. It reacts

with the amino acid tyramine which is found in liver, cheese and red

wine, some diet aids and decongestants. [R]



Medicinal uses: Yohimbe is a biochemical aphrodisiac and is used in

breeding animals for that purpose. [GE] Yohimbe has a local anesthetic

effect about the same as that of cocaine but is longer lasting and

more irritating. It has been used to treat dymenorrhea, as an

antidiuretic and to decrease blood pressure, although it may actually

raise blood pressure.  [S]



Preparation: Traditional preparation: boil 2 cups of water. Then add 1

ounce of yohimbe bark and allow to boil for less than 4 minutes,

simmer for 20 minutes more. Strain and sip slowly about 1 hr. before

effects are desired.  More efficient preparation: soak one ounce of

bark shavings in ethyl alcohol for 8 hrs. Strain and pour the ligour

on a flat pan and allow the alcohol to evaporate. Evaporation may be

speeded in an oven at 250 degreesF. The residue will be primarily

yohimbine hydrochloride which can be snuffed or placed under the

tongue. Effects are stronger and occur in 10 - 20 minutes.



Constituents: The active constituents are yohimbine, yohimbilene and

ajmaline, idole-based alkaloids. Botanical yohimbine and yohimbiline

must react with HCl in the digestive juices to become soluble and

assimilated. Yohimbine hydrochloride is also known as quebrachine,

which can be found in the quesbracho tree in South America where it is

used to reduce fever.



Mode of action: "Yohimbe acts as a [CNS] stimulant and a mild

hallucinogen. Yohimbine is a sympatho-mimetic indole-type alkaloid

with cholinergic adrenergic blocking properties. It also inhibits

seratonin." Effects are weakly similar to LSD with chills, shivers

slight dizziness and nausea all possible. A relaxed, inebriated

physical and mental reaction follows accompanied by slight auditory

and visual hallucinations. Spinal ganglia are then affected causing

erection of the sexual organs. Effects last for 2-4 hours.



Other uses: As a sacrement for wedding vows.



Habitat: Grows in tropical West Africa, esp Gabon, Nigeria and

Cameroon region. Low altitude jungle forests.



OAK on Herbs in Green Egg by Richard Allen Miller. volume 100 page 39,

Spring 1993. Green Egg, PO Box 1542, Ukiah, Ca. 95482. [GE]



Herbal Medications. David G. Spoerke, Jr. 1980. Woodbridge Press

Publishing Co. Post Office Box 6189, Santa Barbara, Ca. 93111. 

ISBN 0-912800-72-8.  [S]



Rodale's Illustrated Encyclopedia of Herbs. 1987. Rodale Press,

Emmaus, Pa. ISBN 0-87857-699-1. [R]





--

lbrown@nmsu.edu                        from the Burning Lands

"For millions of years mankind lived just like the animals, Then

something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, 

We learned to talk."

Stephen Hawking's words in "Keep Talking" on Pink Floyd's "Division Bell"









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alcoholim HELP!!!!!!

From: forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu (Eric J. Forbis)

Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 07:29:06 GMT



In article <24.3812.2533.0NB309D0@pcohio.com> bill.lambdin@pcohio.com (Bill Lambdin) writes:

>From RHONDO@CERF.NET  To ALL  on 06-22-94

>R [I need immediate help with problems associated with alcoholism!

>About two months aho, I saw a report that an extract from Kudzu was 

>effective to reloeve the craving of alcoholic beverages.



I have no idea whether kudzu will be helpful, but I've heard (Medline) that 

Gamma OH Butyrate (GBH or Gamma hydroxy butyrate) helps. It's relatively 

expensive, and some local health food shops have reported a FDA clampdown. 



Regards,



 

===================================================================

Eric J. Forbis      forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu

-------------------------------------------------------------------

"Conscience, they tell us, is the creature of prejudice, but I know 

from experience that conscience persists in following the order of

nature in spite of all the laws of man." _Emile_, Rousseau

===================================================================  









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis HELP!!!

From: mulcahyj@delphi.com (Jim Mulcahy)

Date: 2 Jul 1994 09:25:42 GMT



>Do you know of any herbs that could help?  I read about a poultice made

>of mullein, but haven't located a supplier yet...











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis HELP!!!

From: lbrown@nmsu.edu (lanthanum)

Date: 2 Jul 1994 17:37:20 GMT



32151-goeller (karen13@cerridwen.bellcore.com) wrote:



: My father's rheumatoid arthritis has suddenly (in the last 2 months)

: become dramatically worse.  It seems to have a direct correlation to

: barometric pressure (with the attacks worst in the 1-2hours preceding 

: a storm front).

...



: Do you know of any herbs that could help?  I read about a poultice made

: of mullein, but haven't located a supplier yet...any ideas about how effect.

: this could be?



I can't offer any specific advice but I suggest you read "Healing

Plants" by Mannfried Pahlow. He has a full chapter on rhuematism and

gout and indicates which herbs are not to be used by people with

diabetes. I have tried a number of his remedies and they seem to be

safe and effective. 



Healing Plants by Mannfried Pahlow. 1992. English translation, 1993.

ISBN 0-8120-1498-7 



Published by Barron's Educational Series, Inc.

250 Wireless Blvd.

Hauppauge, NY 11788



lanth'





--

lbrown@nmsu.edu                        from the Burning Lands

"For millions of years mankind lived just like the animals, Then

something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination, 

We learned to talk."

Stephen Hawking's words in "Keep Talking" on Pink Floyd's "Division Bell"









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis HELP!!!

From: thetasig@netcom.com (Mark Crosby)

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 20:46:51 GMT



I echo the previous follow-up regarding diabetes and some herbs.  Something

you wrote indicated to me that you are looking for external treatments.  In

my humble opinion, only internal treatment will have any significant, long-

term effect.  R.A. is the result of internal toxins that have settled into

the joints.  The body's immune system dutifully attacks the toxins but

cannot discern the difference between toxin and joint tissue.



The 'classic' reason for toxins, in the first place, is poor digestion with

resulting poor elimination.  An effective long-term care involves the

combined efforts to improve digestion and to remove toxins.



Classic Chinese herbal therapy would seek to get the "blood" (system) moving

- to stir up the toxins and mobilize them (get them out of the joints).  This

often involves using herbs to circulate the blood (which can have a heating

effect overall).  There are many sources of info on improving the 

digestion and elimination.  There are also herbs which are very helpful

in cases of diabetes, for example, huckleberry leaves (as a tea, usually).



When focusing on the root causes herbal treatment has a much better 

chance to help us improve our health.  Focus on the symptoms and herbs

will just "mask" the problem but rarely improve the overall health.



Good luck to you in your quest...







32151-goeller (karen13@cerridwen.bellcore.com) wrote:



: My father's rheumatoid arthritis has suddenly (in the last 2 months)

: become dramatically worse.  It seems to have a direct correlation to

: barometric pressure (with the attacks worst in the 1-2hours preceding 

: a storm front).



: He uses advil and, when absolutely necessary, percoset.  He also uses

: ice-packs and rubs with Flex-all.



: Since he's also diabetic and on hormone therapy (Eulexin) for prostate

: cancer, his treatment options are somewhat limited.



: I use herbs a lot in my daily life and in keeping my kids healthy, but

: he's a little skeptical.  At this point, though, he's willing to try

: anything that will help him regain some mobility and pain-relief.  It's

: tearing me apart to see him this way.



: Do you know of any herbs that could help?  I read about a poultice made

: of mullein, but haven't located a supplier yet...any ideas about how effect.

: this could be?



: All help greatly appreciated!



: Karen Goeller









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis HELP!!!

From: lac@xap.xyplex.com (Lynne Chantler)

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:31:03 UNDEFINED



In article <thetasigCsJDq4.A9C@netcom.com> thetasig@netcom.com (Mark Crosby) writes:



Have him drink 1 tbsp. cider vinegar and 1 tbsp. honey mixed in 8 oz. of cool 

water several times a day.



Lynne









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis HELP!!!

From: mulcahyj@delphi.com (Jim Mulcahy)

Date: 8 Jul 1994 09:02:26 GMT



>Have him drink 1 tbsp. cider vinegar and 1 tbsp. honey mixed in 8 oz. of

>cool water several times a day.



But the cider vinegar can't be the commercial variety.  It must be the kind

you find at cider mills or at organic food stores.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Rheumatoid Arthritis HELP!!!

From: kelly@poverty.bloomington.in.us (Kelly Martin)

Date: 7 Jul 1994 10:42:00 -0500



"Mark" == Mark Crosby <thetasig@netcom.com> writes:



Mark> R.A. is the result of internal toxins that have settled into the

Mark> joints.  The body's immune system dutifully attacks the toxins

Mark> but cannot discern the difference between toxin and joint

Mark> tissue.



rheumatoid arthritis, like all auto-immune disorders, is the result of

the immune system mistakenly attacking healthy tissue because it has,

for some reasons, developed antibodies against healthy tissue.  it has

nothing to do _per se_ with "toxins" in the tissues, but rather the

fact that the immune system has mistakenly identified healthy tissue

as foreign.  usually this is because the necessary antiantigens that

prevent the formations of autoantigens are diminished or absent.



love,



k.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HOME REMEDY FOR NAUSEA

From: rice@scws12.harvard.edu (K.A. Rice)

Date: 2 Jul 1994 15:08:08 GMT



In article <dww5.78.0016E701@email.cac.psu.edu> 

dww5@email.cac.psu.edu (Dale Woika) write:



>>>Did you folks know there is the equivalent of 17 teaspoons of sugar in each 

>>>12oz. can of Coke or Pepsi? (I am a veteran of the industry, so I speak 

>>>from a position of authority.)  Scary, isn't it?



Then I said:



>This doesn't sound right.  The following is from Pennington and

>Church's _Food Values_.



>    Coca-cola   -  contains 144 kcal per 12 oz. can

>    gran. sugar -  contains  16 kcal per teaspoon.



>144/16 = 9 teaspoons sugar per 12 oz. can, assuming that sucrose

>is the sweetener.  The number is even smaller if we assume a mix

>of sugar and high-fructose corn syrup.



>If you don't mind, how did you arrive at your figure?



Then Dale answered:



>I worked in the industry for quite a while, & was in charge of thousands 

>of refractometer readings (brix measurements).  I think you'll find your 

>Calorie figures are a tad off.  There is 'bout 8 Kcal /tsp in table sugar, 

>which is primarily sucrose.  However, it costs much less to use the new high-

>fructose corn sugars in beverages, so sugar syrup is hardly used these 

>days.  



I remain skeptical.  Every cookbook and calorie counter I have says

that table sugar has 16 kcal/teaspoon.  I rechecked Pennington and

Church's _Food Values_ 14th edition, which is a standard reference.

Sugar still has 16 kcal/tsp same as it ever was, despite all your years

in the business and all those thousands of undocumentable refractometer

readings you've adduced.



Your figure of 8 kcal/tsp (which shores up your claim of 17 tsp sugar

per 12 oz can of coke) is wrong.  Introducing high-fructose corn syrup

into the argument makes the case even weaker.  Could you post a

reference from some standard nutrition text (one I can find in a

good library) which shows sugar to have 8 kcal/tsp?  I don't mind in 

the least if you prove me wrong, but I don't think you can do it.



It's not that this is such a big deal of itself, but you post a lot of

questionable information.  In the last few weeks you've opined that

bay salt was bayberry.  (It's sun-evaporated sea salt.)  You said that

Valium is derived from valerian. (They're chemically unrelated.)  You

introduced serotonin and MAO deficiencies into a sermonette on the

evils of opium.  (Serotonin and MAO don't have much to do with opiate

receptors.)  You said that Parepectolin worked as an intestinal

irritant.  (It's an opiate plus a clay which is added to PREVENT

intestinal irritation.)  Again, feel free to post references

that prove me wrong.



You may object that these are just details, but getting the details

correct is critical in medicine.  That you post this sort of material 

is unfortunate, because you seem to know a good bit about herbs.  

(More than I know, perhaps.) But you get the details wrong 

often enough that I, for one, don't put much trust in the rest of 

your information.



Ash





-- 



 |  K. A. Rice | rice@mcz.harvard.edu  | rice@husc.harvard.edu |

               | an2095@anon.penet.fi  | audax@world.std.com   |









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: SPECTRA seeks submissions

From: skeevers@netcom.com (Bonnie L. Johnston)

Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 19:40:23 GMT



Subject: SPECTRA seeks submissions

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and herbal remedies.



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we are paticularly interested in personal essays and 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re:uterine fibroids 

From: jgreenwood@TrentU.CA

Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 01:29:34 GMT



quintal@unity.ncsu.edu (jorge quintal) requests information regarding

uterine fibroids:

There is homeopathic treatment for uterine fibroids. I would strongly urge you to consult a reputable doctor of naturopathy for such treatment as it is 



specific to the individual in terms of which remedy would be most

appropriate given one's overall medical history. I am at the present time

pregnant, in my early 30's and too have uterine fibroids which I have chosen 

to have treated homeopathically and will continue to do so post-partum.

This is a safe option and I strongly recommend it in consultation with a qualified practitioner.  You don't mention age or any medical particulars other than fibroids so it would be irresponsible to advocate any treatment plan.  Having 

said this, some COMMON homeopathic remedies for fibroids include the

following:



Aurum Muriaticum Natonatum (Sodium Chloroaurate)

Calcarea Carbonica-Ostrearum (Carbonate of Lime)

Calcarea Iodata (Iodide of Lime)

My mistake, first remedy should have read Aur. Mur "Natronatum"

I can also provide you with instructions for a women's healing

hip bath as well as a compress, the purpose of which is to draw

toxins from the uterus as well as to provide symptomatic relief.

As the instructions are somewhat lengthy, you could e-mail if you'd 

like for the information.  Take care and best of luck in your quest for 

alternative treatment.  I'm sure that in exploring this option you'll be 

better able to make an informed, well-balanced decision!

Regards, Jacqueline Greenwood









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help w/allergies-info sou

From: carveb@netcom.com (Robert D Carver)

Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 05:04:18 GMT



scimatec5@uoft02.utoledo.edu wrote:

: In article <24.3740.2533.0NB307D2@pcohio.com>, bill.lambdin@pcohio.com (Bill Lambdin) writes:

: > 

: > From HARTIGANDK@AOL.COM  To ALL  on 06-05-94

: > 

: > H [I'm an newbie to the field of herbal healing, and I also suffer like

: > H [h*ll this time of year from allergies, particularly w/the itchy,

: > H [watery eye bit. Does anyone have some suggestions?  You will be

: > H [forever in my blessings.

: > 

: > Try Chamomile or ginger.



: Strains of Sweet Flag have particularly

: strong antihistamine effects.  Some of 

: these rival diphenhydramine HCl (Benadryl.)



: I don't know of any dangerous side effects 

: (although I believe it is a stimulant.) 

: Maybe a good book would tell you.

:                               Steve Mather

Chamomile can be an allergen itself.  Often people who are allergic to 

ragweed are also allergic to chamomile.  I know this for a fact.  I'm one 

of those people that have a negative reaction to chamomile.

-- 

  carveb@netcom.com

  Bob Carver

  Dallas, TX











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help w/allergies-info sou

From: lennonb@netcom.com (Brian Lennon)

Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 17:04:44 GMT



Bill Lambdin (bill.lambdin@pcohio.com) wrote:



: From HARTIGANDK@AOL.COM  To ALL  on 06-05-94



: H [I'm an newbie to the field of herbal healing, and I also suffer like

: H [h*ll this time of year from allergies, particularly w/the itchy,

: H [watery eye bit. Does anyone have some suggestions?  You will be

: H [forever in my blessings.



: Try Chamomile or ginger.



Ma Huang (Ephedrine) in a dose of 500-1000mg quells my everpresent summer 

hay fever for most of a day, although it can't be used every day since 

one acquires a *tolerance* for it quickly. Also, since it is a strong 

stimulant (it's what got Diego Maradona kicked out of the World Cup), 

it's unadvisable for anyone with hypertension or any kind of heart 

problem. If you're healthy, though, and especially if you enjoy the 

*charge* of stimulants, it's helpful and also fun.



Ginkgo Biloba Leaf, in the tinctured liquid form, can also help in 

restoring free breathing. 



B. Lennon 

lennonb@netcom.com 



-- 

 

                                                                      









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbalisim Illegal? Pleas

From: davidson@mercury.sfsu.edu (Daniel Davidson)

Date: 3 Jul 1994 08:03:17 GMT



A good example of FDA colusion with corporate interests can be found in 

the banning of stevia. This wonderful herb is *200* times more "sweet" 

than sucrose. It contains nil calories, tastes *great* and is being 

used extensivly in Japan. But the chemical companies are afraid that 

stevia will cut in on their sales of noncaloric chemical sweeteners, and the 

FDA supported a ban.



Look. The government is not your kindly grandpa, smiling down on you.



Pick any issue, any date, any presdident, any US foriegn or domestic policy, 

and do a little serious reading vis a vis the reality of our government's 

behavior. Educate yourself. Lift up the rock, and the slime and blood 

oozes, unfortunetly...



--

dd

--

                              = Daniel Davidson =

                         San Francisco State University

                           davidson@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu



              It is considered appropriate to sustain conditions which

                  are against the best interests of almost everyone.















From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbalisim Illegal? Pleas

From: forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu (Eric J. Forbis)

Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 03:53:01 GMT



In article <2v5rc5$rmu@news.csus.edu> davidson@mercury.sfsu.edu (Daniel Davidson) writes:



>A good example of FDA colusion with corporate interests can be found in 

>the banning of stevia. This wonderful herb is *200* times more "sweet" 

>than sucrose. It contains nil calories, tastes *great* and is being 

>used extensivly in Japan. But the chemical companies are afraid that 

>stevia will cut in on their sales of noncaloric chemical sweeteners, and the 

>FDA supported a ban.

>Look. The government is not your kindly grandpa, smiling down on you.

>Pick any issue, any date, any presdident, any US foriegn or domestic policy, 

>and do a little serious reading vis a vis the reality of our government's 

>behavior. Educate yourself. Lift up the rock, and the slime and blood 

>oozes, unfortunetly...



As a libertarianish guy, I'm no fan of most of the government, but this is 

going a bit far.  Stevia *is* commercially available. If it can't be sold as a 

sweetener, I'd be willing to bet you that the problem is that it's simply not 

patentable (wild plants and naturally occurring chemicals aren't in general), 

and thus no pharmaceutical company is going to burn the millions in 

experimental regimen required by the FDA to _prove_ that it's 200 times 

sweeter than sugar, when any competitor would then be able to market the 

compound without investment. This is the FDA's fault, not the pharmaceutical 

corporations.

      More often than not, when you turn those stones over you'll 

find a bureaucrat trying to expand his/her power base. Corporations 

definitely take advantage of this, but you can't reasonably claim that all do. 

All in all, I prefer dealing with a private company rather than the gov't-- I 

can at least usually figure out where their interests lie, and so whether I 

want to support them. 



Regards,







>--

>dd

>--

>                              = Daniel Davidson =

>                         San Francisco State University

>                           davidson@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu



>              It is considered appropriate to sustain conditions which

>                  are against the best interests of almost everyone.









===================================================================

Eric J. Forbis      forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu

-------------------------------------------------------------------

"Conscience, they tell us, is the creature of prejudice, but I know 

from experience that conscience persists in following the order of

nature in spite of all the laws of man." _Emile_, Rousseau

===================================================================  









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbalisim Illegal? Pleas

From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)

Date: 4 Jul 1994 12:43 PST



In article <forb0004.217.0116D19C@gold.tc.umn.edu>, forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu

 (Eric J. Forbis) writes...

#In article <2v5rc5$rmu@news.csus.edu> davidson@mercury.sfsu.edu

 (Daniel Davidson) writes:

# 

#>A good example of FDA colusion with corporate interests can be found in 

#>the banning of stevia. This wonderful herb is *200* times more "sweet" 

#>than sucrose. It contains nil calories, tastes *great* and is being 

#>used extensivly in Japan. But the chemical companies are afraid that 

#>stevia will cut in on their sales of noncaloric chemical sweeteners, and the 

#>FDA supported a ban.

#>Look. The government is not your kindly grandpa, smiling down on you.

#>Pick any issue, any date, any presdident, any US foriegn or domestic policy, 

#>and do a little serious reading vis a vis the reality of our government's 

#>behavior. Educate yourself. Lift up the rock, and the slime and blood 

#>oozes, unfortunetly...

# 

#As a libertarianish guy, I'm no fan of most of the government, but this is 

#going a bit far.  Stevia *is* commercially available. If it can't be sold as a 

#sweetener, I'd be willing to bet you that the problem is that it's simply not 

#patentable (wild plants and naturally occurring chemicals aren't in general), 

#and thus no pharmaceutical company is going to burn the millions in 

#experimental regimen required by the FDA to _prove_ that it's 200 times 

#sweeter than sugar, when any competitor would then be able to market the 

#compound without investment. This is the FDA's fault, not the pharmaceutical 

#corporations.



     Whatever gives you the idea that it takes millions to prove

   that it is 200 times as sweet as sugar?



     I could do it for a thousand dollars.  If I had free samples and

   a few blind volunteers, I could do it for free.





#      More often than not, when you turn those stones over you'll 

#find a bureaucrat trying to expand his/her power base. 



    Sounds about right.



#                                                         Corporations 

#definitely take advantage of this, but you can't reasonably claim that all do. 

#All in all, I prefer dealing with a private company rather than the gov't-- I 

#can at least usually figure out where their interests lie, and so whether I 

#want to support them. 

# 

#Regards,

  [ chomp ]

#>                           davidson@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu

  [ chomp ]

#Eric J. Forbis      forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu



 Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca

 TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/333

 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074

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 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.

 They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbalisim Illegal? Pleas

From: forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu (Eric J. Forbis)

Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 10:12:06 GMT



In article <4JUL199412433282@erich.triumf.ca> music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes:



>#As a libertarianish guy, I'm no fan of most of the government, but this is 

>#going a bit far.  Stevia *is* commercially available. If it can't be sold as a 

>#sweetener, I'd be willing to bet you that the problem is that it's simply not 

>#patentable (wild plants and naturally occurring chemicals aren't in general), 

>#and thus no pharmaceutical company is going to burn the millions in 

>#experimental regimen required by the FDA to _prove_ that it's 200 times 

>#sweeter than sugar, when any competitor would then be able to market the 

>#compound without investment. This is the FDA's fault, not the pharmaceutical 

>#corporations.



>     Whatever gives you the idea that it takes millions to prove

>   that it is 200 times as sweet as sugar?



Just the fact that you'll be required to define the biochemical mechanism, 

prove that it doesn't cause lumps, bumps, or pink rodents to turn blue... 

"Millions" is a literary device for "expensive", which the process most 

certainly is.

       Whatever, why does this matter? I just noticed from your sig that your 

posting from a Canadian site. According to the Clintons, you're supposed 

to have the health care system we should emulate. As a member of this 

wonderfully progresive society, why don't you tell us how _you_ do it? 



>     I could do it for a thousand dollars.  If I had free samples 

and>   a few blind volunteers, I could do it for free.



Scientific publications tend to want predictable replicability in their 

studies, not an attribute easily achieved in cheap "roll your own" studies. 

You wouldn't be able to pay for the cost of analysis, even if we take the 

attitude that the human input is valueless. The lab, equipment, reagants and 

animals all add up at a rate directly proportional to their accuracy/purity. 



The FDA inflates the costs to an absurd degree, but there's a cost even in a 

free society of demonstrating the safety of a new drug or additive.



Regards,







===================================================================

Eric J. Forbis      forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu

-------------------------------------------------------------------

"Conscience, they tell us, is the creature of prejudice, but I know 

from experience that conscience persists in following the order of

nature in spite of all the laws of man." _Emile_, Rousseau

===================================================================  









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbalisim Illegal? Pleas

From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)

Date: 5 Jul 1994 11:52 PST



In article <forb0004.220.00569CF7@gold.tc.umn.edu>, forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu (Eric J. Forbis) writes...

#In article <4JUL199412433282@erich.triumf.ca> music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH) writes:

# 



   [ We should not delete the previous attributions.  Otherwise people 

     might presume that you or I was the author of some line we are 

     simply quoting.  This has happened to me many times, even on this

     newsgroup. FWB ]



#>#As a libertarianish guy, I'm no fan of most of the government, but this is 

#>#going a bit far.  Stevia *is* commercially available. If it can't be sold as a 

#>#sweetener, I'd be willing to bet you that the problem is that it's simply not 

#>#patentable (wild plants and naturally occurring chemicals aren't in general), 

#>#and thus no pharmaceutical company is going to burn the millions in 

#>#experimental regimen required by the FDA to _prove_ that it's 200 times 

#>#sweeter than sugar, when any competitor would then be able to market the 

#>#compound without investment. This is the FDA's fault, not the pharmaceutical 

#>#corporations.

# 

#>     Whatever gives you the idea that it takes millions to prove

#>   that it is 200 times as sweet as sugar?

# 

#Just the fact that you'll be required to define the biochemical mechanism, 



  To prove how something tastes I have to define the biochemical reaction?

 Rubbish.   All I have to do is hundreds or thousands of taste tests.  I

 would use blind people for this test, as their other senses are heightened.



#prove that it doesn't cause lumps, bumps, or pink rodents to turn blue... 

#"Millions" is a literary device for "expensive", which the process most 

#certainly is.

#       Whatever, why does this matter? I just noticed from your sig that your 

#posting from a Canadian site. According to the Clintons, you're supposed 

#to have the health care system we should emulate. As a member of this 

#wonderfully progresive society, why don't you tell us how _you_ do it? 

# 

#>     I could do it for a thousand dollars.  If I had free samples 

#and>   a few blind volunteers, I could do it for free.

# 

#Scientific publications tend to want predictable replicability in their 

#studies, not an attribute easily achieved in cheap "roll your own" studies. 

#You wouldn't be able to pay for the cost of analysis, even if we take the 

#attitude that the human input is valueless. The lab, equipment, reagants and 

#animals all add up at a rate directly proportional to their accuracy/purity. 

# 

#The FDA inflates the costs to an absurd degree, but there's a cost even in a 

#free society of demonstrating the safety of a new drug or additive.

# 

#Regards,

# 

# 

# 

#===================================================================

#Eric J. Forbis      forb0004@gold.tc.umn.edu



   Eric,



     Come on.   I agree with your assessment of the FDA, however.



    I was simply responding to your literal words: proving that it

  was 200 times sweeter than sugar.  I made no reference to proving

  anything else!  And you don't need lab animals to prove its sweetness.



    I did mention that given the "free samples" and "volunteers" that

  I could do it for free.



   The problem with the American system of health care is all the private

 rip-off artists in the business.  It was so bad that it even made your

 American Television with that female reporter (I don't remember her name)

 who did quite a good expose on the crooks down there.  It is simply greed

 that keeps the American Health Care System going the way it is.  The good

 ol' American way: love of money.





     I think the Christian Apostle Paul said it best:



    "However, those who are *determined to be rich* fall into temptation

    and a snare and many senseless and hurtful desires, which plunge

    men into destruction and ruin.  For the *love* of money is the root

    of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love

    some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves

    all over with many pains."  - 1 Timothy 6:9,10 NWT {emphasis mine}



   Greed still exists in Canada, but no where like where you live, IMHO.



   I wish you all the best.



 Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca

 TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/333

 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074

 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

  Damien says " If you don't STAND for SOMETHING, you'll FALL for ANYTHING "

 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.

 They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: To JGreenwood Re: re:uterine fibroids 

From: KB@XCC.MC.XEROX.COM

Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 22:39:18 GMT





In article <1994Jul3.012934.14342@blaze.trentu.ca>, 

<jgreenwood@TrentU.CA> writes:

>

> From: jgreenwood@TrentU.CA

> Subject: re:uterine fibroids 

> Message-ID: <1994Jul3.012934.14342@blaze.trentu.ca>

> Sender: news@blaze.trentu.ca (USENET News System)

> Reply-To: jgreenwood@TrentU.CA

> Organization: Trent University, Peterborough

> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 01:29:34 GMT

> 

> 

 There is homeopathic treatment for uterine fibroids.  

(deletions)

I am at the present time pregnant, in my early 30's and too have 

uterine fibroids which I have chosen to have treated 

homeopathically and will continue to do so post-partum.

This is a safe option (deletions).  You don't mention age or any 

medical particulars other than fibroids so it would be 

irresponsible to advocate any treatment plan.  Having 

 said this, some COMMON homeopathic remedies for fibroids 

include the

 following:

 

 Aurum Muriaticum Natonatum (Sodium Chloroaurate)

 Calcarea Carbonica-Ostrearum (Carbonate of Lime)

 Calcarea Iodata (Iodide of Lime)

 My mistake, first remedy should have read Aur. Mur "Natronatum"

 I can also provide you with instructions for a women's healing

 hip bath as well as a compress, the purpose of which is to draw

 toxins from the uterus as well as to provide symptomatic 

relief.



*** As the instructions are somewhat lengthy, you could e-mail 

if you'd  like for the information. *** 



 Regards, Jacqueline Greenwood

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@



Jacqueline,

	I am having problems e=mailing you,  how else can I get

the instructions and once you have the above ingredients how do

you use them?

	Thank you in advance and I wish you a short labor day!!

....................EASTKB.................................









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: To JGreenwood Re: re:uterine fibroids

From: bear@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona.EDU (Soaring  Bear)

Date: 5 Jul 1994 21:25:36 GMT



In article <1994Jul3.193946.482@news.wrc.xerox.com> KB@XCC.MC.XEROX.COM writes:

>In article <1994Jul3.012934.14342@blaze.trentu.ca>, 

><jgreenwood@TrentU.CA> writes:

>(deletions)

> said this, some COMMON homeopathic remedies for fibroids 

>include the following:

> Aurum Muriaticum Natonatum (Sodium Chloroaurate)

> Calcarea Carbonica-Ostrearum (Carbonate of Lime)

> Calcarea Iodata (Iodide of Lime)

>(deletions)



	

	What ever happened to the fundamental homeopathic

principle of diagnosing to get to the lowest cause of a

problem instead of the Western Medicine style of dosing

a problem with remedies?

	This group is a nice way to share info but let's

please use a little caution to avoid mis-info.

bear



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* UU  UU A   Pharmaceutical Molecular Modeling         * 

*  UUUU AAA  U.A. New Pharmacy 404, Tucson, AZ 85721   *

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: athlete's foot fungus

From: hbspc008@huey.csun.edu (elizabeth mcginnis)

Date: 4 Jul 1994 01:27:55 GMT





A reliable remedy for athlete's foot is walnut oil.  My brother has

noticed that practically nothing grows beneath a walnut tree.  His son was

suffering from a severe and chronic case of athlete's foot fungus, so he

liberally applied the oil to the infected feet, covered them with a pair

of socks and sent him to bed.  In the morning, the fungus was greatly

reduced and with a few more treatments, eliminated.  Basil oil may have

the same effect, too.  Walnut oil may be located in your supermarket or

gourmet food store.  Good luck and good health.



     Elizabeth McGinnis









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: athlete's foot fungus

From: ummccar9@cc.umanitoba.ca (Cameron John Mccartney)

Date: 7 Jul 1994 04:56:21 GMT





	A friend of mine finds that teatree oil works very well for

Athlete's foot fungus.  Wash and apply to the area twice a day, and it

clears up in 2 to 3 days.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: athlete's foot fungus

From: weissk@cbgate.cbc.com (Ken Weiss)

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 17:38:10 GMT



Cameron John Mccartney (ummccar9@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:



: 	A friend of mine finds that teatree oil works very well for

: Athlete's foot fungus.  Wash and apply to the area twice a day, and it

: clears up in 2 to 3 days.



I am afraid I have to disagree. I tried the stuff for 2 weeks and all it did

was dry out my skin so much that I had to stop applying it. I used 1/2 of

an ounce bottle and got VERY POOR results. (Didn't work on my bad toe nail

either).

-- 

Chayim (Ken) Weiss    |All expressions strictly |.__/\__.|Hope for a time when

Chemical Bank - C.A.M.|(O-Kay) glatt kosher, my | \/  \/ |there will be no war

380 Madison Ave, 13th |own, and may or may not  | /\__/\ |sickness or hunger.

New York, NY 10017    |be that of anyone else.  |   \/   |weissk@cbc.com









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: athlete's foot fungus

From: mulcahyj@delphi.com (Jim Mulcahy)

Date: 9 Jul 1994 11:37:44 GMT



>Cameron John Mccartney (ummccar9@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:

>:     A friend of mine finds that teatree oil works very well for

>: Athlete's foot fungus.  Wash and apply to the area twice a day, and it

>: clears up in 2 to 3 days.

And Ken Weiss replied: 

>  >I am afraid I have to disagree. I tried the stuff for 2 weeks and all it

>did was dry out my skin



Well, going barefoot in the summer (or open sandals if you are a city

dweller) helps.  An old country remedy is to walk barefoot in fresh warm cow

manure.  Apparently there are wee beasties that eat the fungus.  It feels

good too.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: athlete's foot fungus

From: std_lawson@hg.uleth.ca

Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 18:49:25 GMT



In article <9407090735591.DLITE.mulcahyj@delphi.com>, mulcahyj@delphi.com (Jim Mulcahy) writes:

>>Cameron John Mccartney (ummccar9@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:

>>:     A friend of mine finds that teatree oil works very well for

>>: Athlete's foot fungus.  Wash and apply to the area twice a day, and it

>>: clears up in 2 to 3 days.

>And Ken Weiss replied: 

>>  >I am afraid I have to disagree. I tried the stuff for 2 weeks and all it

>>did was dry out my skin

>

>Well, going barefoot in the summer (or open sandals if you are a city

>dweller) helps.  An old country remedy is to walk barefoot in fresh warm cow

>manure.  Apparently there are wee beasties that eat the fungus.  It feels

>good too.





>	This always works for me- vineger!









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: athlete's foot fungus

From: weissk@cbgate.cbc.com (Ken Weiss)

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 18:42:28 GMT



Jim Mulcahy (mulcahyj@delphi.com) wrote:

: >Cameron John Mccartney (ummccar9@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:

: >:     A friend of mine finds that teatree oil works very well for

: >: Athlete's foot fungus.  Wash and apply to the area twice a day, and it

: >: clears up in 2 to 3 days.

: And Ken Weiss replied: 

: >  >I am afraid I have to disagree. I tried the stuff for 2 weeks and all it

: >did was dry out my skin



: Well, going barefoot in the summer (or open sandals if you are a city

: dweller) helps.  An old country remedy is to walk barefoot in fresh warm cow

: manure.  Apparently there are wee beasties that eat the fungus.  It feels

: good too.



Growing up in Texas (until I was 22) and having a 'cow pasture' one block from

my house, I happen to know that the ONLY things that 'fresh warm cow manure' is

good for is fertilizer and growing CYLLISCYBUM(sp?) mushrooms. As for the 

feeling of walking in cow manure, I think you should bathe in it if it feels so

good. 



-- 

Chayim (Ken) Weiss    |All expressions strictly |.__/\__.|Hope for a time when

Chemical Bank - C.A.M.|(O-Kay) glatt kosher, my | \/  \/ |there will be no war

380 Madison Ave, 13th |own, and may or may not  | /\__/\ |sickness or hunger.

New York, NY 10017    |be that of anyone else.  |   \/   |weissk@cbc.com









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: athlete's foot fungus

From: rmccaleb@hrf.org (Rob McCaleb)

Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 20:12:14 GMT



In article <1994Jul8.173810.14154@cbgate.cbc.com> weissk@cbgate.cbc.com (Ken Weiss) writes:

>From: weissk@cbgate.cbc.com (Ken Weiss)

>Subject: Re: athlete's foot fungus

>Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 17:38:10 GMT



>Cameron John Mccartney (ummccar9@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:



>:       A friend of mine finds that teatree oil works very well for

>: Athlete's foot fungus.  Wash and apply to the area twice a day, and it

>: clears up in 2 to 3 days.



>I am afraid I have to disagree. I tried the stuff for 2 weeks and all it did

>was dry out my skin so much that I had to stop applying it. I used 1/2 of

>an ounce bottle and got VERY POOR results. (Didn't work on my bad toe nail

>either).



It _should_ work, but I've heard mostly negative results, too.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: athlete's foot fungus

From: dwheeler@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Diane M Wheeler)

Date: 11 Jul 1994 16:57:00 GMT



Rob McCaleb (rmccaleb@hrf.org) wrote:

: In article <1994Jul8.173810.14154@cbgate.cbc.com> weissk@cbgate.cbc.com (Ken Weiss) writes:

: >From: weissk@cbgate.cbc.com (Ken Weiss)

: >Subject: Re: athlete's foot fungus

: >Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 17:38:10 GMT



: >Cameron John Mccartney (ummccar9@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:



: >:       A friend of mine finds that teatree oil works very well for

: >: Athlete's foot fungus.  Wash and apply to the area twice a day, and it

: >: clears up in 2 to 3 days.



: >I am afraid I have to disagree. I tried the stuff for 2 weeks and all it did

: >was dry out my skin so much that I had to stop applying it. I used 1/2 of

: >an ounce bottle and got VERY POOR results. (Didn't work on my bad toe nail

: >either).



: It _should_ work, but I've heard mostly negative results, too.



TeaTree Oil should work and so shouldn't vinegar (apple cider) - you 

could also try comfrey.  It may also be that you don't have Athlete's 

foot fungus and may need to get a definite diagnosis -  airing the feet 

out is the best and keeping them dry - GOLD BOND Powder also helps!



Diane









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: athlete's foot fungus

From: googoo@brewich.com (Karen)

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 03:19:46 GMT

--------

weissk@cbgate.cbc.com (Ken Weiss) writes:



> Cameron John Mccartney (ummccar9@cc.umanitoba.ca) wrote:

> 

> : 	A friend of mine finds that teatree oil works very well for

> : Athlete's foot fungus.  Wash and apply to the area twice a day, and it

> : clears up in 2 to 3 days.

> 

> I am afraid I have to disagree. I tried the stuff for 2 weeks and all it did

> was dry out my skin so much that I had to stop applying it. I used 1/2 of

> an ounce bottle and got VERY POOR results. (Didn't work on my bad toe nail

> either).

> -- 

Isn't that funny? I have had *excellent* results with tea tree for all 

kinds of fungus - toenail, and athlete's foot. The athlete's foot cleared 

up in 4 days, but the toenail took 5 months - the nail bed is usually 

infected, so you have to treat until the new nail completely grows in.

I wonder if it just doesn't work for some people?

Just a thought...

Googoo



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                        googoo@brewich.com



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: To make the ants go away...

From: cfargus@netcom.com (Somnium "Watching-Owl" Regnum)

Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 01:29:02 GMT



Hey all,



    A wise old soul once told me the way to make the ants go away.. You

don't have to kill them. You can just make them leave... Just use cinnamon.

I had a problem with ants travelling along an antenna cable through a 

window. I sprinkeled a 'cinnamon wall'. The ants do not cross the cinnamon.

I use cinnamon in my garden as well, sprinkled about; it seems to repel 

other 'pests' as well..













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: To make the ants go away...

From: naran@fraser.sfu.ca (Travers Naran)

Date: 4 Jul 94 05:30:08 GMT



cfargus@netcom.com (Somnium "Watching-Owl" Regnum) writes:



>Hey all,



>    A wise old soul once told me the way to make the ants go away.. You

>don't have to kill them. You can just make them leave... Just use cinnamon.

>I had a problem with ants travelling along an antenna cable through a 

>window. I sprinkeled a 'cinnamon wall'. The ants do not cross the cinnamon.

>I use cinnamon in my garden as well, sprinkled about; it seems to repel 

>other 'pests' as well..



Also, Cyan pepper is a good general pest repellent.  Although most of the

people I have talked to says cinnamon works better.  Not surprising concidering

cinnamon is the bark of a tree and trees need good insect repellents.



-- 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea tincture

From: kmriley@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Katherine M Riley)

Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 03:12:01 GMT



In article <lgb1-230694223627@cu-dialup-0130.cit.cornell.edu> dbs3@cornell.edu (Lynn Buckman) writes:



>Wendy, I have made tincture from the tops (leaves & flowers) of E. purpurea

>but the root is the most effective part of the plant. If you use the root,

>you'll want one at least 4 years old. The simplest method of tincture

>making would be to clean the root and cut it into small pieces until you

>fill a jar, then pour 100 proof vodka over it to the brim. Put on the lid

>and let it sit overnight, then top it again with vodka (some vodka gets

>absorbed by the plant material - or sipped by the fairies, depending on the

>herbalist). Put it away in a dark cool place to sit for 6 weeks.  Good

>luck! 

>-- 

>Lynn Buckman



if you will excuse me, I have not heard of this...but use E.purpurea quite a 

bit....what exactly is tincture?  what can you use it for?



-katherine riley

kmriley@midway.uchicago.edu

**University of Chicago**















From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: essential oils

From: kmriley@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Katherine M Riley)

Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 03:19:41 GMT



In article <2ugf08$97b@nntp2.Stanford.EDU> fredl@leland.Stanford.EDU (Frederic Michael Luskin) writes:



>I'd like to hear from folks who have successfully used essential oils

>to correct various conditions. 

>

>	do they actually work?

>	what is the best way to use them?



well - i guess it might matter what you mean by conditions..

I use many essential oils just for my own state of mind.  I am a college 

student, and tend to drive myself insane with stress, and other things..

 I use many oils such as chamomile, ylang-ylang,jasmine, etc

to relax me, to calm down after the day..

I also use peppermint regularly to destress, give me energy, take away 

headaches and stomach aches..

Some other oils i use a lot are lemon, anise, frankensence, myhrr...

i could go on...they do work for me, but, i also want them to work, which

I think helps. 

(i can be more specific if you would like)



-katherine riley

kmriley@midway.uchicago.edu

**University of Chicago**





>

>thanks in advance,

>eric

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: Cinnamon and cassia (was, Re: Coke and c

From: rkjb@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ken Brown)

Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 08:37:56 +0000





Lee Rudolph, replying to Mike Czaplinski, said that true cinnamon is almost

unavailable in the US these days:





I'm astonished if this is correct. Is it possible that the word "cinnamon"

refers to something different in the US than in Britain? Cinnamon is really

easy to obtain here, ground cinnamon can be obtained in any supermarket & the

curled bark in most "Asian" shops and any shop specialising in herbs or

wholefoods, and often in markets as well.



There is even a street in the docklands area of London called "Cinnamon

Wharf" which was used for so long  as spice warehouses that the buildings

actually smelled of cinnamon, years after  the trade moved downriver. They

still smell of cinnamon, but I sometimes suspect that the estate agents

somehow keep it going... it must be fifty years since the trade stopped.

(And it does, genuinly, smell of cinnamon, you can detect it when walking

past :-)









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE:Uterine Fibroids

From: jgreenwood@TrentU.CA

Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 02:44:22 GMT



KB@XCC.MC.XEROX.COM writes: Having problems e-mailing....for information re:

uterine fibroids.

I'm wondering if you are connected in anyway to the source of the original

post from Jorge Quintal who was asking for info. re: Fibroids?

Feels somewhat strange to respond (though I am pleased to provide the info)

to an ambiguous e-mail address.  Would feel more comfortable if I knew a 

name....does that make sense?

Also, I'm not sure where you're having trouble in e-mailing me??

You can reach me through the Net by typing IN%"JGreenwood@TrentU.CA"

Perhaps there's a bug in your system or someone could be of service in

figuring it out with you.  In any case, I'd be more than happy to send

you more information; how about providing me with a more detailed 

e-mail address so I know who you are :)

If you'd rather I post it here I can do that...your call!

Regards, Jacqueline.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cinnamon

From: J3WILLIA@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Joy-Therese Williams)

Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 17:24:27 GMT



Hi!  I heard cinnamon was good for getting rid of ants, but is this true for 

the commercial bottled cinnamon or do you have to get the sticks?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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578 York St



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cinnamon

From: cfargus@netcom.com (Somnium "Watching-Owl" Regnum)

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:35:25 GMT



J3WILLIA@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Joy-Therese Williams) writes:



>Hi!  I heard cinnamon was good for getting rid of ants, but is this true for 

>the commercial bottled cinnamon or do you have to get the sticks?

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Joy-Therese Williams

>578 York St



>576-7070 



Yes, I use the regular 'safeway' brand.. Crown Colony ground.. It works, 

I don't know if this is 'real' cinnamon or not, but the only listed

ingredient on the can is: 'cinnamon'....Packed by Safeway Stores Inc...

My friend says (don't know if this is true) that it works so good on ants

because they (the ants) leave a chemical trail; and the cinnamon interfears.

Supposedly they cannot 'smell' or detect the trails left by other ants.

They get confused and go away. Maybe it is just really strong and repugnant

to them..after all, ants seem to like sweets not spices..BTW cinnamon is

also good to get rid of "leaf eaters". Sprinkle a tiny bit on the leaves

in your garden, and around the ground. I have yet to see a 'bug' that is

attracted to cinnamon...



"Don't worry; it's only a lifetime.."                  cfargus@netcom.com











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cinnamon

From: lac@xap.xyplex.com (Lynne Chantler)

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:31:52 UNDEFINED



In article <J3WILLIA.3.2E19974A@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> J3WILLIA@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Joy-Therese Williams) writes:





>Hi!  I heard cinnamon was good for getting rid of ants, but is this true for 

>the commercial bottled cinnamon or do you have to get the sticks?

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Whole cloves work very nicely too.



	Lynne









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bee Pollen -- A health aid?

From: skincade@nbnet.nb.ca (Steve Kincade)

Date: 6 Jul 1994 00:36:46 GMT



I have recently read an article on bee pollen and its health benifits.

Does anyone have any info on this or better yet experance with it?



I don't check here every day so if you could echo your answer via e-mail

it would be great.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bee Pollen -- A health aid?

From: thielln@sage.cc.purdue.edu (leilah)

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:44:29 GMT



In article <2vcuau$dia@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> skincade@nbnet.nb.ca (Steve Kincade) writes:

>I have recently read an article on bee pollen and its health benifits.

>Does anyone have any info on this or better yet experance with it?

>

>I don't check here every day so if you could echo your answer via e-mail

>it would be great.



 i am also interested... i got some by mistake (trying to get royal jelly,

and the jars look the same)... the books i have seen list pollen as

something that helps allergies... but also says that it provokes an 

allergic reaction itself.  the package seems to echo this, saying that

if you haven't taken it before, then to only take a small portion of the

tablet.  any info?



-leilah  thielln@sage.cc.purdue.edu



:>











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bee Pollen -- A health aid?

From: ao724@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kimberly Lee Conroy)

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 22:45:17 GMT







In a previous article, thielln@sage.cc.purdue.edu (leilah) says:



>In article <2vcuau$dia@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> skincade@nbnet.nb.ca (Steve Kincade) writes:

>>I have recently read an article on bee pollen and its health benifits.

>>Does anyone have any info on this or better yet experance with it?

>>

>>I don't check here every day so if you could echo your answer via e-mail

>>it would be great.

>

> i am also interested... i got some by mistake (trying to get royal jelly,

>and the jars look the same)... the books i have seen list pollen as

>something that helps allergies... but also says that it provokes an 

>allergic reaction itself.  the package seems to echo this, saying that

>if you haven't taken it before, then to only take a small portion of the

>tablet.  any info?

>

Yes, bee pollen is actually made from the pollen in the plants that cause

peoples allergies.  When you take it, you begin to become imune to the

pollen and therefore no more allergies.  Most people use honey (locally

made) to get the same results.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bee Pollen -- A health aid?

From: pauls@jumbo1.CdnAir.CA (Paul Sue)

Date: 7 Jul 1994 19:11:16 GMT



In article 2LL@freenet.carleton.ca, ao724@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kimberly Lee Conroy) writes:

> 

> In a previous article, thielln@sage.cc.purdue.edu (leilah) says:

> 

> >In article <2vcuau$dia@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> skincade@nbnet.nb.ca (Steve Kincade) writes:

> >>I have recently read an article on bee pollen and its health benifits.

.....

> > i am also interested... i got some by mistake (trying to get royal jelly,

> >and the jars look the same)... the books i have seen list pollen as

> >something that helps allergies... but also says that it provokes an 

> >allergic reaction itself.  the package seems to echo this, saying that

> >if you haven't taken it before, then to only take a small portion of the

> >tablet.  any info?

> >

> Yes, bee pollen is actually made from the pollen in the plants that cause

> peoples allergies.  When you take it, you begin to become imune to the

> pollen and therefore no more allergies.  Most people use honey (locally

> made) to get the same results.



Just curious ...



How does this work?  I mean, how do I know that the pollen used in the bee

pollen pills is the same pollen that I'm specifically allergic to?

Has anyone actually had success with this?



Are there any herbs that will help?



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bee Pollen -- A health aid?

From: baylor@sgi500 (Robin E. Baylor)

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:58:46 GMT



pauls@jumbo1.CdnAir.CA (Paul Sue) writes:



<about "bee pollen" being used for allergies>

: 

: Just curious ...

: 

: How does this work?  I mean, how do I know that the pollen used in the bee

: pollen pills is the same pollen that I'm specifically allergic to?

: Has anyone actually had success with this?

: 

I worked with a guy who claimed success in using honey for his allergies.

In theory, it's the same principal as getting desensitization shots.

The trick is NOT to get the nationally manufactured product (I'm thinking

specifically of a brand-name honey made from Clover blossoms) but generic

cheap locally-manufactured honey. That would have most or all of the

local pollens in it. If something is not in it, then it probably isn't

common enough to give you a bad time, unless you happen to live right

next door to a field of it.



The bad news is that I tried his home remedy & didn't have luck with it.

I think I was taking too large a dose to start with, because I was 

sweetening a bed-time cup of tea. The amount of honey I was using gave

me just enough of a reaction so that I'd invariably have a bad night's

sleep. (No, it wasn't the caffeine -- I can drink tons of that.)

I went back to using clover honey & started to refer to the other jar

as "The poison".



--

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Uterine fibroids

From: adellutri@aol.com (ADellutri)

Date: 5 Jul 1994 23:11:05 -0400



In article <2uprns$kh4@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, quintal@unity.ncsu.edu

(Jorge  Quintal) writes:



I recently had surgery for the same thing.



There was a program on TV. tonight called "Cured".  It discussed

alternate healing methods.  One segment was about a woman who was

supposed to have surgery for Fibriod Tumors.  She was scheduled for a

hysterectomy the day she came back from a cruise.  While on the

cruise she had a sever attach.  The cook gave said her grandma had

fibriod tumors and believed that Cayenne Pepper would do the trick. 

She put 1/4 tsp. of cayenne pepper in a glass of water 4 time a day. 

She increased the dose each time but they neglected to mention how

much of an increase and for how long.  Supposedly she came back and

did not have to have the surgery.  



I believe what they said is that Fibroid Tumors bleed and the

bleeding causes pain.   Cayenne pepper has Capcasium which helps stop

bleeding and is found in some prescription medications.  I believe

other hot peppers also may contain Capcasium, but I am new to the

world of herbs so please consult someone with more experience.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Fibroids/ Mis-info?

From: jgreenwood@TrentU.CA

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 03:13:30 GMT



Bear@helium.Gas.UUG.Arizona. EDU (soaring bear) comments :

>Whatever happened to the fundamental homeopathic principle of

diagnosing to get to the lowest cause of a problem instead of

the Wester medicine style of dosing a problem with remedies.



Your point is well taken, however, I believe that you are misrepresenting my 

original post in response to alternative options in the treatment of 

fibroids. I say this insofar as I clearly stated that without knowing

the writer's overall medical history a treatment plan would be 

irresponsible to advocate-homeopathic principles in keeping here.

In providing information about COMMON remedies for the over-all

condition of uterine fibroids, my intention was to state that

treatment is clearly available, not to advocate any particular remedy.

Again, I re-state that treatment is best undergone in consultation

with a qualified practitioner of naturopathy.  Clearly the beauty

and efficacy of homeopathic medicine/treatment is that one is able to 

connect "problems" (as you state) with an integrated understanding of

the person as a whole being, thereby arriving at "the lowest cause of

a problem" (as you again state).

I'll end by saying that I can't see how directing someone towards a

naturopath and providing her with the names of some homeopathic 

remedies to provide a starting point in self-research can be

construed as " mis-information". Perhaps I'm not seeing clearly

the point you wished to make??

Regards, Jacqueline









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for tooth problems

From: goetz@dorsai.org (Lawrence Goetz)

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 13:23:34 GMT



Does anyone know of any herbs that can be used to fight cavities, gum 

infections and other tooth related problems.



Thanks,

Lawrence Goetz











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for tooth problems

From: stora@oak.circa.ufl.edu

Date: 6 Jul 1994 21:56:48 GMT



In article <CsIt7B.4Hw@dorsai.org>, goetz@dorsai.org (Lawrence Goetz) writes:

>Does anyone know of any herbs that can be used to fight cavities, gum 

>infections and other tooth related problems.

>

>Thanks,

>Lawrence Goetz

 hello, lawrence, I know of one such spice. cloves, They are used in most

toothache medicines and all you have to do is put some ground cloves on your

ache or mix some ground cloves with some whiskey and apply like ambulsol.also

you could try some table salt and warm water for sores and minor toothaches.

You may want to look in to a book of home remedies or a herb book. They are

most helpful. Heather

>









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for tooth problems

From: atamulis@gauss.ucs.indiana.edu (Andrius Tamulis)

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 16:56:42 GMT



In article <CsIt7B.4Hw@dorsai.org> goetz@dorsai.org (Lawrence Goetz)  

writes:

> Does anyone know of any herbs that can be used to fight cavities, gum 

> infections and other tooth related problems.

> 

> Thanks,

> Lawrence Goetz



Don't you give teething babies anise to chew?



andrius









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need Fresh Poison Ivy, Pay $1200

From: Conrad Richter <71550.3411@compuserve.com>

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 16:30:10 GMT



Make Up to $1200 Collecting Poison Ivy

---------------------------------------



We will buy up to 120 kilograms of fresh-picked poison ivy (Toxicodendron 

radicans; syn. Rhus radicans, Rhus toxicodendron) leaves.  The fresh  

leaves are used in homeopathic medicine.  Must be delivered in person 

immediately after harvest to Goodwood, Ontario, which is about 45 minutes 

northeast of Toronto.  A sample of fresh leaves must be supplied in 

advance to check identity.  



We will pay $10 per kilogram.  Depending on the density of the poison ivy 

stand and the skill of the collectors, it is possible to make $300 to $400

per person per day. It is best to work in teams of three or four collectors  

so that the whole 120 kg can be collected in one day and delivered early the 

next.  Or, we will consider breaking up shipments into smaller, weekly 

amounts of 40 to 60 kg.  



For more information, contact Conrad Richter of Richters Herbs, Goodwood, ON,

L0C 1A0, Canada.



Email: 71550.3411@compuserve.com

Telephone: +1-905-640-6677











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: I need herbs; ulcer and faster metabolism

From: am297@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Natalie Lefrancois)

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 16:54:28 GMT







hey-



	Does anybody know some herbs to use to help with an ulcer and to

make your metabolism faster? Thanx.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: I need herbs; ulcer and faster metabolism

From: rdh1019@freenet3.scri.fsu.edu (Diane Henderson)

Date: 10 Jul 1994 23:26:21 -0400



Nettle (or stinging nettle) works well for both.  You can buy tincture

in most health food stores.  15-20 drops, 2-3 times a day in water

should help tremendously.



Diane



Natalie Lefrancois (am297@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:





: hey-



: 	Does anybody know some herbs to use to help with an ulcer and to

: make your metabolism faster? Thanx.



: -- 



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:   Seems so familiar.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: Re: Herbs for tooth problems  -  sig [1/1]  -  sig [1/1]

From: jsmith@usgs.gov (James M. Smith???)

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 20:23:53 GMT



In article <CsIt7B.4Hw@dorsai.org>, goetz@dorsai.org (Lawrence Goetz) says:

>

>Does anyone know of any herbs that can be used to fight cavities, gum 

>infections and other tooth related problems.

>

>Thanks,

>Lawrence Goetz

>

I frequently use Cloves and clove oil to treat common mouth ailments 

such as canker sores, etc.  There are others listed in numerous books.





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: Emphysema & Herbs

From: jackvg@shearson.com (Jack Van Geldern)

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 20:36:43 GMT





	My uncle and a friend's mom have Emphysema and I was

wondering what in the way of herbs might help them.



	Any suggestions?











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: little beasties

From: kmriley@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Katherine M Riley)

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 21:16:32 GMT



I just moved into a new place where I am faced with not only cockroaches, but, also, some mice.

Can people recommend anything to either

1)keep them away

2)keep them out of my food

I was told pennyroyal workd well with insects, but will it with pest?

also, do you know of anything that might help protect wool and such

from the evils of moths?



thanks,

katherine riley

kmriley@midway.uchicago.edu











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: little beasties

From: ao724@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kimberly Lee Conroy)

Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 22:51:21 GMT







In a previous article, kmriley@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Katherine M Riley) says:



>I just moved into a new place where I am faced with not only cockroaches, but, also, some mice.

>Can people recommend anything to either

>1)keep them away

>2)keep them out of my food

>I was told pennyroyal workd well with insects, but will it with pest?

>also, do you know of anything that might help protect wool and such

>from the evils of moths?

>

This isn't a herbal method sorry but I don't know any.  The best thing to

rid your house of mice and rats is the smell of a cat.  Getting a cat as a

pet would help but if you want a temperary solution try having a friends

cat over for a couple of days.  The cat doesn't have to catch any mice

(although that would help too) it just has to be there so the mice smells

the cat.  Sorry I couldn't be of anymore help but this is the only method

I know about and I thought I should share it.  Good luck!



-- 

Kimberly Lee Conroy         *   "When climbing a mountain, always  

ao724@FreeNet.Carleton.CA   *    strive for the tall ones.  The view is

                            *    much better when you reach the

Live, Love, Laugh! ;)       *    top!"  V.C. Andrews









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: little beasties

From: susanm@indirect.com (Susan C. Mitchell)

Date: 7 Jul 1994 13:17:11 GMT



In a book called _Tiny Game Hunting_, I read that mice can't stand the 

smell of rats.  If you entertain a couple of (caged) rats as temporary 

houseguests, the mice will move out.  It might help to set the rats' 

cages near where you've seen mice.  

  Good luck!  (Anybody know a natural remedy for palo verde borers?)











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: little beasties

From: toska@telerama.lm.com (Kristen M. Harkness)

Date: 6 Jul 1994 22:45:19 -0400



Katherine M Riley (kmriley@kimbark.uchicago.edu) wrote:

> I just moved into a new place where I am faced with not only  

> cockroaches, but, also, some mice.

> Can people recommend anything to either 

> 1)keep them away

> 2)keep them out of my food

> I was told pennyroyal workd well with insects, but will it with pest?

> also, do you know of anything that might help protect wool and such

> from the evils of moths?



> thanks,

> katherine riley

> kmriley@midway.uchicago.edu



Not herbal, but boric acid (at your local drug store) will help with the 

roaches. Just sprinkle it around your baseboards, behind your fridge, 

etc.  It's fairly harmless to humans and pets unless ingested in large 

quantities (like if you sit with a container of it and a spoon :) ). 

Lavender will keep the moths away.  As far as mice go, I 

have no clue (beyond the obvious things like keeping food well sealed, 

checking for entrance holes, etc.).  I simply bought some live traps and 

take the little critters to a park far, far away and set them free. 

Good luck!



Kristen

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: little beasties

From: mulcahyj@delphi.com (Jim Mulcahy)

Date: 7 Jul 1994 09:36:24 GMT



>Not herbal, but boric acid (at your local drug store) will help with the  

>roaches.



good old 20 Mule Team Borax in the laundry section of the grocery store will

work and may be cheaper











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: little beasties

From: carsons@ptag2.pt.cyanamid.com

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 21:57:33 GMT



In article <9407070535591.DLITE.mulcahyj@delphi.com>, mulcahyj@delphi.com (Jim Mulcahy) writes:

>>Not herbal, but boric acid (at your local drug store) will help with the  

>>roaches.

> 

> good old 20 Mule Team Borax in the laundry section of the grocery store will

> work and may be cheaper

Borax is good for fleas, too.  Sprinkle it on the carpet to dessicate the

larvae from any eggs you've failed to eliminate.

> 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: little beasties

From: alex@spiral.org (Dave Alexander)

Date: Fri, 08 Jul 1994 00:42:14 -0600





> Katherine M Riley (kmriley@kimbark.uchicago.edu) wrote:

> > I just moved into a new place where I am faced with not only  

> > cockroaches, but, also, some mice.

> > Can people recommend anything to either 

> > 1)keep them away

> > 2)keep them out of my food



Get a cat. Get two. I had the same problems, both of them gone now.



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|    _______________________     |  people to retain their right to

|     S.  P.  I.  R.  A.  L.     |  keep and bear arms is, as a last

|    ========================    |  resort, to protect themselves

| Society for the Protection of  |  against tyranny in government."

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: little beasties

From: Mel Kindrachuk <B2VC000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>

Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:32:28 GMT



>> Katherine M Riley (kmriley@kimbark.uchicago.edu) wrote:

>> > I just moved into a new place where I am faced with not only

>> > cockroaches, but, also, some mice.

>> > Can people recommend anything to either

>> > 1)keep them away

>> > 2)keep them out of my food

>

>Get a cat. Get two. I had the same problems, both of them gone now.



How long does it take for cats to exterminate these pests? Are mine

 working at a leisurely pace?  Thanks for the tip, though; it

 reassures me somewhat.













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: little beasties

From: alex@spiral.org (Dave Alexander)

Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 12:10:05 -0600



In article <10JUL94.11384687.0057@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, Mel Kindrachuk

<B2VC000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> wrote:



> >> Katherine M Riley (kmriley@kimbark.uchicago.edu) wrote:

> >> > I just moved into a new place where I am faced with not only

> >> > cockroaches, but, also, some mice.

> >> > Can people recommend anything to either

> >> > 1)keep them away

> >> > 2)keep them out of my food

> >

> >Get a cat. Get two. I had the same problems, both of them gone now.

> 

> How long does it take for cats to exterminate these pests? Are mine

>  working at a leisurely pace?  Thanks for the tip, though; it

>  reassures me somewhat.



Less than one day after I got the cats, the mice were completely gone.

After about a week, no more roaches either.



Don't get kittens, though. Get grown cats. Kittens can't climb the

counters to get at the bugs.



Best place to get cats for this purpose is the Humane Society. Believe me,

cats are not stupid and they know you saved them from the gas chamber. I

have had more than 30 cats in my lifetime, and the ones I got from the HS

have seemed much more loayl and happy to be alive.



 _________________________________

|                                |

|       alex@spiral.org          | "The strongest reason for the

|    _______________________     |  people to retain their right to

|     S.  P.  I.  R.  A.  L.     |  keep and bear arms is, as a last

|    ========================    |  resort, to protect themselves

| Society for the Protection of  |  against tyranny in government."

|Individual Rights and Liberties |

|________________________________|           -- Thomas Jefferson









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: little beasties

From: eethomp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (ELAINE THOMPSON )

Date: 7 Jul 1994 23:05:38 GMT



In article <1994Jul6.211632.21716@midway.uchicago.edu>,

Katherine M Riley <kmriley@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:

>I just moved into a new place where I am faced with not only cockroaches, but, also, some mice.

>Can people recommend anything to either

>1)keep them away

>2)keep them out of my food



To keep the cockroaches out of your cabinets, put bay leaves in them.  Be

sure to replace them when they don't have any more odor.  For mice, I use

an old-fashioned mousetrap, baited with peanut butter.  It kills them

quickly, which is my personal preference.  You can also mouseproof your 

food by putting it into metal or glass containers (or the refrigerator).  A 

determined mouse can chew through most plastics.  If you keep your 

kitchen REALLY clean, you will eventually drive away the beasties to 

better feeding grounds.



Good luck.





-- 

Elaine Thompson                       "Two roads diverged in a wood and I,

eethomp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu        I took the one less travelled by,

Johns Hopkins Univ.                    And it has made all the difference." 

                                                    --Robert Frost









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis

From: bill.lambdin@pcohio.com (Bill Lambdin)

Date: Wed,  6 Jul 94 19:37:00 -0500





>From MULCAHYJ@DELPHI.COM  To ALL  about Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis on 07-

02-94



M [>Do you know of any herbs that could help?  I read about a poultice m

M [>of mullein, but haven't located a supplier yet...



I have seen Mullein for sale in the catalogs from Indiana Botanic 

Gardens.

 

Indiana Botanic Gardens

P.O. Box 5

Hammond, IN 46325





>Bill<



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs suppliers in N Chic

From: bill.lambdin@pcohio.com (Bill Lambdin)

Date: Wed,  6 Jul 94 19:37:00 -0500



>From A-CROTTY@UX4.CSO.UIUC.EDU  To ALL  about Herbs suppliers in N Chic 

on 06-30-94



A [ I am home for the summer and at a bit of a loss.  I do

A [ not know where I can purchase herbs in this area.  I am a NW 

A [ suburb 1 hour of Chicago, but going into the city is not

A [ a problem as I am there once a week.  I have found a few



I buy most of my herbs from Indiana Botanic Gardens

 

Indiana Botanic Gardens

P.O. Box 5

Hammond, IN 46325





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fireants

From: mgreene@origin.ea.com (Melanie Greene)

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:26:07 UNDEFINED





I live in Central Texas, and I've learned several ways to deal with fireants 

over the years.



Some insidious things I do, when I just can't stand them anymore:



Pour BOILING water in the mound. Lots of it. It will kill them, and won't harm 

the soil.



Wait until winter, when it is freezing out, then turn the hose on, bury it 

deep in the mound, and those little ant bodies float to the surface, only to 

freeze to death. (Cruel, but if you've been stung a few times, you really 

don't care just how cruel it is.)



Sprinkle some pyrethrins on them. I usually have what is called Buhach, which 

is made of all natural pyrethrins, that I've obtained from Solutions - (I 

don't have their 1-800 number right now, but when I get it, I'll post it for 

those who are interested.)



Never, never pour gasoline and ignite it. Not only is it exteremely dangerous 

to you, but every other living thing in that vicinity. It will stay in the 

soil for years. I do my best to stay away from pesticides because I live on 

the Edwards Aquifer recharge zone, and it's just not smart to pollute your own 

water supply, not to mention other people's too. (And all of the animals that 

live in the aquifer would appreciate it too.)





Mgreene









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fireants

From: rmccaleb@hrf.org (Rob McCaleb)

Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 20:03:30 GMT



In article <mgreene.14.00624BCD@origin.ea.com> mgreene@origin.ea.com (Melanie Greene) writes:

>From: mgreene@origin.ea.com (Melanie Greene)

>Subject: Fireants

>Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:26:07 UNDEFINED





>I live in Central Texas, and I've learned several ways to deal with fireants 

>over the years.



I've had success with a product called Ant Free (catchy, eh?).  From Germany, 

it's citrus oils and emulsifier.  You mix with water and spray liberally, or 

put in a hose-end sprayer and just go nuts with it.  It doesn't kill ants 

(except probably by drowning from the emulsifier) but drives them away.  They 

can't follow their chemical marker trails, because of the aroma from the oils. 

Same idea as sprinkling cinnamon powder or red pepper on the ant trails, but 

cheaper and more effective.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fireants

From: jcarter@orl.mmc.com (James Carter)

Date: 13 Jul 1994 14:36:19 GMT



Here in Florida "FIRE ANT CAPITOL OF THE WORLD" we use a product called AMDRO.

It looks like corn meal and you sift 1 tsp over the hill.  The ants feed

it to the Queen and she dies.  When the Queen dies that's the end of the ants.



It only takes 1 day for the product to work.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chamomile (sp) flowers.

From: wsl4m@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (W. Scott Laughinghouse)

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:29:08 GMT



I am growing chamomile this year for the first time and they are flowering

like crazy.  I have always loved chamomile tea.  That is why I started growing

this herb.  I have a vfew questions if someone would please help me.



1.	When is the best time to pick the flowers?

2.	Should they be dried or frozen for use later?

3.	Do you use the white petals and yellow center of the flower both in tea



  /4.	Should just the flower head be used in the tea?

5.	Exactly how do you make the tea? I always purchased it before.

6.	What is the best way to dry the flowers?

7.	Are fresh or dried flowers more potent?



I have several books on herbs and they all tell about identification and 

growing conditions but none of them seem to have any (What I call Practical

advice) on preserving, actuall methods of making teas or just those questions

you have to ask someone with years of experience call only answer.



I also have 2 kinds of sage, oregeno, 3 kinds of thyme, sweet basil, salad

burnet, dill, chive, rosemary, 4 kinds of mint and I quess that is it.  The

herb garden was originally started for cooking but I saw the chamomile at the

nursury so I got some of that also.  Any suggestions on additional plants to 

add to my herb or perrenial gardens would be most appreciated.



I have many things in the perrenial gardens but those that I ould consider

herbs include lavender, Yarrow, and some mints.  I planted these outside of the herb garden due to there flowers and more for show that for cooking or healing

properties.  I due cut and dry much of the lavender flowers as well as the

yarrow.





Thank you so much for you help,







Scott

Novice with herbs





-- 

Scott Laughinghouse



E-Mail  wsl4m@virginia.edu {INTERNET}  wsl4m@virginia.bitnet {BITNET}

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Subject: Re: Chamomile (sp) flowers.

From: ljohnso@bgsu.edu (lewis johnson)

Date: 7 Jul 94 18:01:52 GMT



wsl4m@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (W. Scott Laughinghouse) writes:



>I am growing chamomile this year for the first time and they are flowering

>like crazy.  I have always loved chamomile tea.  That is why I started growing

>this herb.  I have a vfew questions if someone would please help me.



>1.	When is the best time to pick the flowers?



When they are open, but don't be too compulsive.



>2.	Should they be dried or frozen for use later?



Dried is fine, and easier.



>3.	Do you use the white petals and yellow center of the flower both in tea



Both.



>4.	Should just the flower head be used in the tea?



Yes, but again, don't be too compulsive about picking out leaves and stem.



>5.	Exactly how do you make the tea? I always purchased it before.



Use a tea-ball, or some of the iron shut bags.



>6.	What is the best way to dry the flowers?



As with all herbs, in a dry, dark, warm, well ventilated area.



>7.	Are fresh or dried flowers more potent?



Don't know...always used it dry.



-- 

Lewis Johnson

Bowling Green State University / Bowling Green / Ohio / 43403 / USA

ljohnso@andy.bgsu.edu









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: sleeping aid

From: chris@library.health.ufl.edu (Chris Hull)

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:29:54 GMT



Did someone say that warm milk produces L. tryptophan?  Or at least something

to help make you drowsy?



Chris









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sleeping aid

From: chris@library.health.ufl.edu (Chris Hull)

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:49:34 GMT



Let me be a little more explicit:  I'm not really having trouble getting

to sleep, it's more that I'm having trouble staying asleep.  It seems 

lately that little noises, ones I used to be able to sleep through, 

are waking me throughout the night and early evening.  My kingdom for 

a complete nights rest!



Chris









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sleeping aid

From: eethomp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu (ELAINE THOMPSON )

Date: 7 Jul 1994 23:09:21 GMT



In article <chris.10.2E1C5C4E@library.health.ufl.edu>,

Chris Hull <chris@library.health.ufl.edu> wrote:

>Let me be a little more explicit:  I'm not really having trouble getting

>to sleep, it's more that I'm having trouble staying asleep.  It seems 

>lately that little noises, ones I used to be able to sleep through, 

>are waking me throughout the night and early evening.  My kingdom for 

>a complete nights rest!

>

>Chris



I know that feeling.  I use a homeopathic product called Calms Forte at 

bedtime.  Three tablets works great for me.  I found it at GNC.  The nice 

thing about it is it doesn't have any valerian root, so you can use it as 

often as you need.





-- 

Elaine Thompson                       "Two roads diverged in a wood and I,

eethomp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu        I took the one less travelled by,

Johns Hopkins Univ.                    And it has made all the difference." 

                                                    --Robert Frost









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sleeping aid

From: alex@spiral.org (Dave Alexander)

Date: Fri, 08 Jul 1994 00:46:20 -0600



In article <chris.10.2E1C5C4E@library.health.ufl.edu>,

chris@library.health.ufl.edu (Chris Hull) wrote:



> Let me be a little more explicit:  I'm not really having trouble getting

> to sleep, it's more that I'm having trouble staying asleep.  It seems 

> lately that little noises, ones I used to be able to sleep through, 

> are waking me throughout the night and early evening.



Try using a regular old fan set on medium to drown out the noise. I

started this about 20 years ago and have been sleeping with one ever

since. You don't have to point it at yourself, just point it at a wall (I

prefer to point it at myself because I like the wind in my face when I

sleep; and yes, my wife thinks I'm a total nut case). You may have trouble

getting used to the sound for the first few days (she did!), but after

that all you'll hear is white noise instead of a bus going by, the house

settling or the neighbors killing each other.



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|                                |

|       alex@spiral.org          | "The strongest reason for the

|    _______________________     |  people to retain their right to

|     S.  P.  I.  R.  A.  L.     |  keep and bear arms is, as a last

|    ========================    |  resort, to protect themselves

| Society for the Protection of  |  against tyranny in government."

|Individual Rights and Liberties |

|________________________________|           -- Thomas Jefferson









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sleeping aid

From: cathyw@ssd.intel.com (Cathy Watkins)

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 20:13:42 GMT



Me too!  I often put valerian root (in an extract) into warm milk, but

I hate how groggy I feel in the morning -- and it doesn't always _keep_

me asleep.



The last 7 days have been 2-4 hour nights of sleep.  I'm soooo out of it

because of this.



So if anyone has any ideas to help us with this, please post 'em to this

group.



thanks!

--cw









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sleeping aid

From: dww5@email.cac.psu.edu (Dale Woika)

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 02:15:23 GMT



In article <chris.9.2E1C57B2@library.health.ufl.edu> chris@library.health.ufl.edu (Chris Hull) writes:

>From: chris@library.health.ufl.edu (Chris Hull)

>Subject: sleeping aid

>Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:29:54 GMT



>Did someone say that warm milk produces L. tryptophan?  Or at least something

>to help make you drowsy?



>Chris



Excercise hard in the afternoon, a trip to the hot tub before bed, cool dry 

sleeping conditions and a bit of white noise should work.  Also, try getting 

up earlier & no eating for at least a couple hours before bed.



& heck, if you can't sleep, get up & do something else.  Sooner or later you 

will tire out, & at least you can be semi-productive instead of fretting 

about not sleeping.  Try FTP-ing at 3AM--it's amazing how much less you have 

to wait...



I have a friend who had a similar problem--he just had too much on his 

mind-- so I loaned him my telescope.  Now he's out there every clear night (

some people just need less sleep).



The tryptophan in dairy & poultry (& a host of other animal sources) may 

make you drowsy, but this isn't really what you need.  



Dale









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sleeping aid

From: Mel Kindrachuk <B2VC000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>

Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:06:29 GMT



  As a mild sedative, I've always used marjoram, made into a strong

  infusion.  It tastes great. I've never actually taken it myself, as

  I have no trouble sleeping, but family members I've given it to

  swear by it.  It might work for you.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aromatherapy treatment for MS sufferers

From: mwhite@kean.ucs.mun.ca

Date: 7 Jul 94 17:52:04 -0230



Hello all



I would like some information on the treatment of multiple scelerosis 

sufferers with aromatherapy. If anyone could help, would you please e-mail 

me



Thanks very much

Susan









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: sleep aid

From: Z3JEF@ttacs3.ttu.edu (Williams, Jeff)

Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 21:42:45 GMT



I know of a massage technique for staying asleep.  It works for me about 90% of

the time- give it a week.  It's a Chinese massage.



1) Wash your feet and hands w/ warm water before going to bed.



2) While sitting up (either on the bed or floor) place your palms over

each knee.  The finger next to your little finger (or pinky) will be resting on

one acupressure point.  Put slight pressure on 

that point and while your finger is still on that point lift your palm off the 

knee until your thumb is directly above the point your finger is on.  Now,

keeping your finger on the first point straighten out you wrist (your two palms

should be facing each other).  Bring your thumb down on the other side of your

leg; this is the second point.  Once you've found these points, finding them

again will be easier.  There should be a slight tenderness, then you know

you've found the right ones.  



3) Slide your hands down your leg until the thumb

reaches just below the big toe (the ball of your foot).  Then slide back up

stopping at the original points.  Do this sliding down sliding back with more

pressure sliding down (but not too much pressure) 9 times.



4) Enjoy a night of uninterrupted sleep.



Let me know if this works for you.

jeff



 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:Chromium Picolinate

From: martirem@aol.com (MartiRem)

Date: 7 Jul 1994 17:47:01 -0400



I'm confused about dosage and effect. One bottle says take 200 mcg after

meals with a large glass of water, one says take before eating. I also had

the impression you could enhance fat-burning benefits by taking it just

before exercise. 



Could someone clarify?













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tibet and their chlorestorol herbal formula

From: James Houssen <houssenj@nbnet.nb.ca>

Date: 7 Jul 1994 21:56:50 GMT



Can someone out there give me some information ( on a recent news item ) about

the 24 herbal combination that some of the Tibet people have used for who

knows how many years that actuatly cuts into and clears up artery clogging?



Is there a way to get to an Internet site ( for starters ) that may give me

some more information? The news item said that pharmacutical companies are

trying to isolate the compound so they can do there usual thing  to make money.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tendonitis

From: scimatec5@uoft02.utoledo.edu

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 01:51:25 GMT





My sister has a bad case of tendonitis in her

wrist.  The doctors have been unsuccessful in

alleviating any pain.



Any suggestions?

                                 Steve Mather









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: kgvd@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kimberly Davidson)

Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 19:55:39 GMT



In article <1994Jul7.205125.1@uoft02.utoledo.edu> scimatec5@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

>

>My sister has a bad case of tendonitis in her

>wrist.  The doctors have been unsuccessful in

>alleviating any pain.

>

>Any suggestions?

>                                 Steve Mather



I have the same problem, except mine invloves my elbow as well, it's

a repetitive motion disorder very much like carpel tunnel syndrome.

Vitamin B6 is what really helps me.  I take two 100mg tablets a day,

one in the morning and one at night.  Dibasic Calcium with vitamin D

helps to a lesser degree.



kim











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: rmccaleb@hrf.org (Rob McCaleb)

Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 19:59:01 GMT



In article <Csn0or.1A5t@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kgvd@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kimberly Davidson) writes:

>From: kgvd@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kimberly Davidson)

>Subject: Re: Tendonitis

>Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 19:55:39 GMT



>In article <1994Jul7.205125.1@uoft02.utoledo.edu> scimatec5@uoft02.utoledo.edu

>writes:

>>

>>My sister has a bad case of tendonitis in her

>>wrist.  



>I have the same problem, except mine invloves my elbow as well, it's

>a repetitive motion disorder very much like carpel tunnel syndrome.



Capsaicin .025% cream is another possibility.  Available at pharmacies, it's 

approved for "post-herpetic lesions" (shingles) but is often used against 

arthritis.  Works by exhausting the body's local supply of pain 

neurotransmitters.  Reportedly antiinflammatory as well.  It takes at least 

4-5 days to have any noticeable effect, other than irritation (it's the hot 

principle in red pepper).













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: cc37@cornell.edu (CC)

Date: 10 Jul 1994 23:53:48 GMT



The person with tendinitis might also try resting frequently (2-5min rests,

just shaking the arms gently)  while working; and every few hours, or at

least morning and night, doing a heat/cold treatment: 1min of icing (keep

paper cups of water in the freezer) then 3 min soaking the wrists in a

comfortably warm bath, repeat 3-6 times.  I also found that gamma linoleic

acid (borage oil has the most, but there is also some in evening primrose

oil and black currant oil) helped -- take 1 capsule/day for the 1st 2-3

weeks, then 1 every few days after that -- take more if it seems better

that way.  This takes a month or so to build up in the system, and it's

expensive -- ice and hot water are nearly free.  In addition to the above

and capsaicin cream (I used tiger balm) and B vitamins, I took garlic oil

-- my tendinitis symptoms went away, and mosquitos didn't like me any more

(a real benefit).  I don't know if the garlic affected the tendinitis, but

some people do take it for arthritis...

                                               -- CC









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: dwheeler@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Diane M Wheeler)

Date: 11 Jul 1994 16:48:27 GMT



CC (cc37@cornell.edu) wrote:

: The person with tendinitis might also try resting frequently (2-5min rests,

: just shaking the arms gently)  while working; and every few hours, or at

: least morning and night, doing a heat/cold treatment: 1min of icing (keep

: paper cups of water in the freezer) then 3 min soaking the wrists in a

: comfortably warm bath, repeat 3-6 times.  I also found that gamma linoleic

: acid (borage oil has the most, but there is also some in evening primrose

: oil and black currant oil) helped -- take 1 capsule/day for the 1st 2-3

: weeks, then 1 every few days after that -- take more if it seems better

: that way.  This takes a month or so to build up in the system, and it's

: expensive -- ice and hot water are nearly free.  In addition to the above

: and capsaicin cream (I used tiger balm) and B vitamins, I took garlic oil

: -- my tendinitis symptoms went away, and mosquitos didn't like me any more

: (a real benefit).  I don't know if the garlic affected the tendinitis, but

: some people do take it for arthritis...

:                                                -- CC



You may want to consult a massage therapist - especially one working with 

neuromuscluar work.  This will really help eleviate a number of problems 

associated with repetative work injuries and help to minimize any future 

problems.  This massage works on the nerves and muscles to work them back 

into their proper range of motion/flexability and sense of what they do 

and their positioning in the body.  This is escpecially helpful with 

carpal tunnel type of injuries that involve inflammation of the nerve do 

to muscle constriction and inflammation.  As a therapist I see a number 

of these cases and have had great results - seen even after one session.



Use heat with caution - if the area is inflammed, the heat will agrevate 

the condition - ice and Tiger Balm (especially before going to bed) 

really work the best.



Diane









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: selene@iss.nus.sg (Selene)

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 16:52:19



I had it in my left wrist, doctors tried everything .. 

injections..physiotherapy..splints..I finally had the operation

and a few months of physiotherapy .. its so much better now.

The problem with my wrist was aggravated by my first

pregnancy.  I had carpal tunnel syndrome during my second pregnancy

coupled with a tennis elbow in my right arm.  During the pregnancy,

I had ultrasound therapy for my elbow  which helped. 

You might try avoiding anything that has too much citric acid or

anything that causes water retention in the body.

Avoiding actions that aggravate the condition also helps like

not wringing towels, opening stubborn jars that need twisting.

I also cradle files, shopping bags (elbows bent) to distribute the weight I 

carry rather than let it pull along my wrist or elbow.

I did try the vitamin B6, voltaren gel, deep heat treatments for about 

1 year  before I resorted to the wrist operation.

Women seem to be more prone to this problem.

Hope you won't need the operation but if you do .. it can help.

Selene







In article <Csn0or.1A5t@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> kgvd@lamar.ColoState.EDU 

(Kimberly Davidson) writes:>From: kgvd@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Kimberly Davidson)

>Subject: Re: Tendonitis

>Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 19:55:39 GMT



>In article <1994Jul7.205125.1@uoft02.utoledo.edu> scimatec5@uoft02.utoledo.edu

>writes:

>>

>>My sister has a bad case of tendonitis in her

>>wrist.  The doctors have been unsuccessful in

>>alleviating any pain.

>>

>>Any suggestions?

>>                                 Steve Mather



>I have the same problem, except mine invloves my elbow as well, it's

>a repetitive motion disorder very much like carpel tunnel syndrome.

>Vitamin B6 is what really helps me.  I take two 100mg tablets a day,

>one in the morning and one at night.  Dibasic Calcium with vitamin D

>helps to a lesser degree.



>kim













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Canker sore!

From: dlancia@aol.com (DLancia)

Date: 8 Jul 1994 10:21:02 -0400



Does anyone know of a canker sore remedy?  The usual high doses of Vit C

and saltwater rinses aren't working this time....  :(



My mouth thanks you!









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Canker sore!

From: googoo@brewich.com (Karen)

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 03:13:06 GMT



dlancia@aol.com (DLancia) writes:



> Does anyone know of a canker sore remedy?  The usual high doses of Vit C

> and saltwater rinses aren't working this time....  :(

> 

> My mouth thanks you!



Try patting on milk of magnesia several times a day. For some reason, I'm 

not sure what, it seems to work great on all herpes-caused outbreaks, no 

matter what the type. I've used it on shingles, and had friends use it on 

canker sores and genital herpes, both with good results. 

Try not to lick it off, although, of course, it won't hurt you if you do! 

It just works best if left *on* the sore!

Good luck, and happy (I hope soon) smiling!

Googoo



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Canker sore!

From: serickso@charlie.usd.edu

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 14:29:13 GMT



In article <2vjnce$a7@search01.news.aol.com>, dlancia@aol.com (DLancia) writes:

>Does anyone know of a canker sore remedy?  The usual high doses of Vit C

>and saltwater rinses aren't working this time....  :(

>

>My mouth thanks you!



I use a product called Campho-unique (this is the phonic spelling -- I can't



remember how it is really spelled!! ;-) )  I used to get canker sores quite 

often, til I started using this.



Now, when I _feel_ a cankor or fever blister coming on (I've learned that

the area thun is going to erupt will usually get a funny little tickle/itch

a day or two before the sore appears.) I take a Q-tip and spread a little of

the Campho-imor e on the area and the sore seldom if ever appears.  If you 

don't catch it until after the sore appears, Campho will lessen the

time it stays around.  I also use it in my mouth, drying the spot inside

my mouth before applying.  I know that it is only for external use, but since

I _don't_ drink it and have been doing this for years with no ill effects, I 

think that  

supposed to









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: asthma

From: goswama2143@cobra.uni.edu

Date: 8 Jul 94 10:56:23 -0500



i have terrible problems with my asthma

are there any suggestions?









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: asthma

From: 6500nls@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Nancy L. Stockdale)

Date: 8 Jul 1994 10:46:21 -0700





Ephadra has helped me alot, as has bee pollen

-- 











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: asthma

From: kturcott@uoguelph.ca (Kerry L Turcotte)

Date: 8 Jul 1994 23:28:06 GMT



Eucalyptus is aparently good for asthma... I have a friend who used to 

put it (or oil?) in water and inhale the steam...  she said that just 

plain steam helps also...









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: asthma

From: dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dafydd ap Dafydd, Banisher of Trolls, Slayer of Dragons)

Date: 11 Jul 1994 11:53:51 GMT



In article <2vkne6$6tg@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca>,

Kerry L Turcotte <kturcott@uoguelph.ca> wrote:

*Eucalyptus is aparently good for asthma... I have a friend who used to

*put it (or oil?) in water and inhale the steam...  she said that just

*plain steam helps also...



Does anybody know if an eucalyptus infusion (read tea) can be taken for this

same treatment?  I have a good friend who's asthmatic and would appreciate

this as an alternative to the nasty stuff he's taking now.



Keith

-- 

LOST: One mind, medium sized, grey.  Visions of scenic bikeways prevalent.

      In the vicinity of Columbus, OH.  Sentimental value.

      Please e-mail if found.  dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: asthma

From: dwheeler@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Diane M Wheeler)

Date: 11 Jul 1994 16:53:40 GMT



Ginger Root is great for asthma problems - just cut up the root into a 

tea and do some inhalation (towel over the head) This also works for 

everyday chest colds and sore throats.  You can also drink the tea - 

ginger root is really wonderful for many things and is used extensivly in 

Ayurvedic Medicine.  



Also - stay away from all dairy products - even the smallest amounts can 

put excess mucus into the lungs that causes problems with asthma 

suffers.  I myself have asthma and have used both of these things.  I 

will also use ice on my chest when I am starting to experience problems 

breathing.



Diane









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: asthma

From: bill.lambdin@pcohio.com (Bill Lambdin)

Date: Sun, 10 Jul 94 02:05:00 -0500





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G [Message-ID: <1994Jul8.105623.29534@cobra.uni.edu>

G [Newsgroup: alt.folklore.herbs

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The info that I have says

 

Butcher's Broom, and cherry.





Bill



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Varicose veins

From: kballar@unm.edu (Kathryn Ballard CIRT)

Date: 8 Jul 1994 11:28:05 -0600



ny suggestions to reduce and/or eliminate ugly veins lines on legs?  Creams?	Any suggestion is appreciated.  Thanks









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Varicose veins

From: rmccaleb@hrf.org (Rob McCaleb)

Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 20:05:47 GMT



In article <2vk2b5$78k@triton.unm.edu> kballar@unm.edu (Kathryn Ballard CIRT) writes:

>From: kballar@unm.edu (Kathryn Ballard CIRT)

>Subject: Varicose veins

>Date: 8 Jul 1994 11:28:05 -0600



>ny suggestions to reduce and/or eliminate ugly veins lines on legs?  Creams?

>Any suggestion is appreciated.  Thanks



Bilberry extract is being used against varicose veins and spider veins.  

Increases the strength of blood vessel walls.  It's taken internally as a 

standardized extract, and takes time to work.  Don't know about existing 

varicosities, since those usually mean blown out valves in the veins.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help! Alt.Med.

From: phuyett@vax1.umkc.edu

Date: 8 Jul 94 13:41:33 CST



Help!  I've accidentally deleted a newsgroup I read on alternative medicine. 

Can anyone help?  What's it called exactly?

Thanks!

Donna











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Shingles

From: mreg@panix.com (Mitch Regenbogen)

Date: 8 Jul 1994 16:55:08 -0400



Does anyone know of a herbal remedy or treatment for shingles (which is a 

condition caused by re-eruption of dormant chicken-pox virus)?



Thanks for any info.

-- 

--------------------------------------------------------------------

| Mitch Regenbogen      |                                          |

| mreg@panix.com        |  "I like to watch."  --Chauncey Gardner  |

| Brooklyn, New York    |                                          |









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Shingles

From: googoo@brewich.com (Karen)

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 03:16:03 GMT



mreg@panix.com (Mitch Regenbogen) writes:



> Does anyone know of a herbal remedy or treatment for shingles (which is a 

> condition caused by re-eruption of dormant chicken-pox virus)?

> 

> Thanks for any info.

> -- 



I just posted on herpes - see previous message about canker sores. I told 

them that I used milk of magnesia for shinges myself, and while not 

herbal, it isn't the stuff they give you at the doctor! 

Shingles are horrible - try skullcap and valerian for the pain, which can 

be excrutiating. Keep them as dry as possible, if the blisters break, 

clean them up. Eat well, get your rest, and know that they will go away 

in 2-6 weeks, depending on about a million things like age, general 

health, etc. Good luck, and Goddess bless!

Googoo



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gingko Biloba for tinnitus?

From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)

Date: 8 Jul 1994 16:23:05 -0700



I'm trying to find information regarding using the herb Gingko Biloba for the 

treatment of tinnitus to include in the next edition of the Tinnitus FAQ, 

available from ftp://ftp.cccd.edu/pub/faq/tinnitus.



I already have a few tidbits of info, but I'd like to learn more regarding:



1) Why it sometimes works?  Improved cranial circulation, or improved nerve

conductivity?



2) Typical dosages?



3) Toxicity dosages and symptoms?



There are a couple of medical articles on Gingko, but the libraries in which

they reside do not inter-library loan with my local library.

-- 

Mark Bixby                         Internet: markb@cccd.edu

Coast Community College District   1370 Adams Avenue

District Information Services      Costa Mesa, CA, USA  92626

Technical Support                  (714) 432-5064

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba for tinnitus?

From: rmccaleb@hrf.org (Rob McCaleb)

Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 20:10:52 GMT



In article <2vkn4p$rpi@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby) writes:

>From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)

>Subject: Gingko Biloba for tinnitus?

>Date: 8 Jul 1994 16:23:05 -0700



>I'm trying to find information regarding using the herb Gingko Biloba for the 

>treatment of tinnitus to include in the next edition of the Tinnitus FAQ, 

>available from ftp://ftp.cccd.edu/pub/faq/tinnitus.



>I already have a few tidbits of info, but I'd like to learn more regarding:



>1) Why it sometimes works?  Improved cranial circulation, or improved nerve

>conductivity?



improves microcirculation, clinically proven against tinnitis, but takes 4-6 

weeks to have an effect in some cases.



>2) Typical dosages?



Only one dose tested.  120 mg of a 50:1 standardized extract.  (24% ginkgo 

flavone glycosides)



>3) Toxicity dosages and symptoms?

No known toxicity.  Side effect rates equal to placebo.



>There are a couple of medical articles on Gingko, but the libraries in which

>they reside do not inter-library loan with my local library.



Lots of such articles can be accessed through the Herb Research Foundation 

(it's the HRF in my address).  Email this address. 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba for tinnitus?

From: lst@mvx.grc.nia.nih.gov

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 17:40:40 GMT



In article <rmccaleb.8.2E2055CB@hrf.org>, rmccaleb@hrf.org (Rob McCaleb) writes:

>In article <2vkn4p$rpi@spock.dis.cccd.edu> markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby) writes:

>>From: markb@spock.dis.cccd.edu (Mark Bixby)

>>Subject: Gingko Biloba for tinnitus?

>>Date: 8 Jul 1994 16:23:05 -0700

>

>>I'm trying to find information regarding using the herb Gingko Biloba for the 

>>treatment of tinnitus to include in the next edition of the Tinnitus FAQ, 

>>available from ftp://ftp.cccd.edu/pub/faq/tinnitus.

>

Here's an abstract of a recent paper in Audiology:



Holgers KM; Axelsson A; Pringle I

Ginkgo biloba extract for the treatment of tinnitus.

Department of Audiology, Sahlgren's Hospital, Goteborg, Sweden.

Language:  Eng

Source:  Audiology 1994 Mar-Apr;33(2):85-92

Unique Identifier:  94234927



Abstract:



Previous studies have shown contradictory results of Ginkgo biloba extract

(GBE) treatment of tinnitus. The present study was divided into two parts:

first an open part, without placebo control (n = 80), followed by a

double-blind placebo-controlled study (n = 20). The patients included in the

open study were patients who had been referred to the Department of Audiology,

Sahlgren's Hospital, Goteborg, Sweden, due to persistent severe tinnitus.

Patients reporting a positive effect on tinnitus in the open study were

included in the double-blind placebo-controlled study (20 out of 21 patients

participated). 7 patients preferred GBE to placebo, 7 placebo to GBE and 6

patients had no preference. Statistical group analysis gives no support to the

hypothesis that GBE has any effect on tinnitus, although it is possible that

GBE has an effect on some patients due to several reasons, e.g. the diverse

etiology of tinnitus. Since there is no objective method to measure the

symptom, the search for an effective drug can only be made on an individual

basis.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba for tinnitus?

From: gold@ilp.mit.edu (Mark D. Gold)

Date: 11 Jul 94 22:26:16 -0500



>Newsgroups: alt.support.tinnitus,alt.folklore.herbs,

>            misc.health.alternative,sci.med

>From: lst@mvx.grc.nia.nih.gov

>Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba for tinnitus?

>Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 17:40:40 GMT



>Here's an abstract of a recent paper in Audiology:

>

>Holgers KM; Axelsson A; Pringle I

>Ginkgo biloba extract for the treatment of tinnitus.

>Department of Audiology, Sahlgren's Hospital, Goteborg, Sweden.

>Language:  Eng

>Source:  Audiology 1994 Mar-Apr;33(2):85-92

>Unique Identifier:  94234927

>

>Abstract:

>....

>Statistical group analysis gives no support to the hypothesis that

>GBE has any effect on tinnitus....



Thank you for posting this abstract.  Unfortunately, this is a 

perfect example of what is all too common in the study of herbal 

efficacy -- a poorly conceived research project.



If researchers are going to attempt to study the safety and efficacy 

of herbal medicines, it is important that they are taught the context 

in which herbs are used.  Most holistic health practitioners would 

use herbs are used as _part_ of a multi-faceted treatment plan.  The 

treatment plan might include dietary adjustments, exercise 

recommendations, stress reduction techniques (e.g., yoga, meditation),

herbs, accupuncture, etc.  The plan would be designed so that the 

patient could slowly and easily make the lifestyle modifications 

necessary.



Ginkgo biloba extract (GBE) might be _part_ of an herbal formula. 

So, in the end, GBE would make up a relatively small portion of the 

treatment plan.  Any reputible holistic health practitioner should 

know that GBE, by itself, is not a cure for tinnitus.



Since this is being posted to groups other than m.h.a, there may be 

one or two (or more) people who aren't thrilled to hear about 

holistic healing techniques.  Nevertheless, if these techniques are 

going to be studied by a skeptical scientific community, the 

protocols should resemble a typical treatment plan of a holistic 

health practitioner, not a tiny aspect of that plan.  Simply stated, 

if they're going to do it, do it right.



I have enclosed a review I wrote of a recent Evening Primrose Oil 

study.  Perhaps it will help you see what I'm trying to say.



Now, if I can just get this flame-resistant suit zipped up, I'll feel 

so much better.  :-)



                           - Mark

                        gold@ilp.mit.edu



********************************************************************

                         BEGIN ENCLOSURE

********************************************************************





The results of one of the most recent studies involving Evening primrose

oil appeared in "The Lancet" (Vol 341: June 19, 1993).  The article 

was entitled "Placebo-controlled trial of essential fatty acid 

supplementation in atopic dermatitis."  I will try first summarize 

the study using excerpts from the text of the publication.  Then I

will explain how such suppliments are given as part of a natural,

holistic healing regimen.  Finally, I will discuss why studies designed as

the one mentioned above do not provide any significant information(IMO)

for people interested in the use of herbs and other suppliments for

healing purposes.



1. Study Summary



                  Opening paragraph of article



    "Treatment of atopic dermatitis with essential fatty acids 

     remains controversial.  A double-blind, placebo-controlled, 

     parallel-group study was done to investigate the response of patients 

     with atopic dermatitis to essential fatty acid supplements.  Patients 

     with atopic dermatitis were randomised to receive evening primrose 

     oil, evening primrose oil and fish oil, or placebo for 16 weeks.  

     Disease activity was monitored by clinical severity scores recorded 

     by the investigator, topical steroid requirement, and symptom scores 

     recorded by subjects.  Of 123 subjects recruited, 102 completed the 

     treatment period.  No improvement with active treatment was 

     demonstrated.  Out study, which avoided the methodological and 

     analytical problems of previous studies, found no effect of essential 

     fatty acid supplementation in atopic dermatitis [(AD)]."



                               Patients



    "Outpatients attending the dermatology department for 

     treatment of AD, of either sex and all ages, were recruited."



                                Treatments



    "Patients were randomised to receive Epogam [a product 

     containing evening primrose oil, which is widely prescribed in the UK 

     for treatment of atopic dermatitis (AD)], Efamol Marine [Evening 

     primrose oil + fish oil], or matching placebo.  Epogam capsules 

     contained 500 mg of evening primrose oil....  Efamol marine capsules 

     contained 430 mg of evening primrose oil....  Placebo capsules 

     contained liquid paraffin for adults and olive oil for children."



 

                                Discussion



    "Our study has demonstrated no response of AD to EFA [essential 

     fatty acid] supplementation, nor any evidence of an additional effect 

     when n3 series EFAs were used in combination with EFAs of the n6 

     series [evening primrose oil + fish oil].  Since both treatments 

     consisted predominantly of evening primrose oil, we felt it 

     reasonable to perform an analysis with the two active treatment 

     groups combined.  This analysis would be expected to provide the best 

     chance of demonstrating a treatment effect, but not such response was 

     found."



    "In conclusion, we believe that our study avoided the 

     methodological and analytical problems of previous reports, which 

     have given rise to a great deal of controversy over the efficacy of 

     EFA supplementation in AD.  No therapeutic effect was demonstrated.





2.  Summary of possible Holistic Healing Regimen for atopic dermititis



A holistic healing regimen for an illness such as atopic dermititis (AD)

will usually begin with a healthy diet.  The dietetic recommendations 

will vary slightly depending upon the illness, but a typical 

recommendation may be similar to the McDougall low-fat, vegan diet 

that is gaining in popularity.  For a condition such as AD, a 

reputable holistic healer would suggest that the patient remove (or 

cut back significantly) dairy from the diet.  The recommendations 

would probably include a suggestion that meat be reduced to just fish

on occassion or removed from the diet altogether.  Sugar, preservatives,

and foods that cause allergic or bad reactions would be removed as well.

Some healers would recommend that coffee be reduced or eliminated as well.



The dietetic recommendations would probably include a suggestion that

the patient partake of all varieties of whole grains, vegetables,

fruits, legumes, nuts, seeds, sea vegetables, and fresh juices.

Vitamin or mineral supplimentation may be warrented.  A healthy diet

is an extremely important foundation for healing any illness.



Michael Tierra, in his book "The Way of Herbs," says the following 

about the importance of a healthy diet:



    "Diet is the essential key to all successful healing.  Without a 

     proper balanced diet, the effectiveness of herbal treatment is very 

     limited.  With the appropriate eliminative or balanced diet, herbal 

     treatment will prove itself to be effective where no medicine will 

     work and will often be faster than the quick but temporary relief 

     offered by Western drugs."



The importance of regular exercise plays in healing would not be 

ignored in a holistic healing regimen.  Other suggestions might 

include a short juice fast or an herbal cleansing program.  Skin 

brushing is usually recommended.  It is used to remove old, dead skin

layers, and to help open the pores to that elimination throught the 

skin can occur.  Other herbal skin cleansing programs could be 

considered as well.  If the patient is suffering from psychological 

and/or stress problems, the holistic healer may recommend a program 

to deal with those problems.  Remember, the emotional state of a 

patient plays a large in the effectiveness of any healing program.



Finally, on top of all of the recommendations, the holistic healer 

may decide to recommend the use of evening primrose oil in order to 

slightly enhance the healing effect.  No experienced and reputable 

holistic healer would recommend evening primrose oil as the sole 

healing technique for atopic dermatitis.



3.  Information provided by "The Lancet" study



As far as I can tell from reading the article in "The Lancet," the 

patients were not interviewed for data on their dietetic habit, 

exercise habits, and psychological/emotional condition.  I am not 

aware of what the current eating habits are in the UK.  But if it is 

similar to the Standard American Diet (S.A.D.), they are probably 

eating a large amount of meat, dairy, sugar, and preservatives.  The 

typical UK diet is probably a diet that is too high in fat and 

protein, but I am not certain.



There seems to be no mention in the article in regards to the 

patients' exercise habits.  Regular exercise is extremely important 

in healing skin conditions in my experience.  Can I assume that the 

average exercise practices in the UK is no better than the often fair 

to poor exercise habits in the U.S.?



If the average psychological/emotional condition in the UK is 

anywhere near the high stress, high emotional disease conditions in 

the U.S., that could play a part in the cause of atopic dermatitis.



Unless the cause(s) of the illness is removed, symptomatic

treatments such as the use of evening primrose oil will probably

not provide any more relief than a placebo.  A holistic healing

regimen concentrates on removing the cause(s) of the illness.  The

study basically tells us that the average person, possibly eating 

a high dairy, high fat, high meat, high sugar diet, who possibly has 

fair to poor exercise habits, and who possibly suffers from stress or 

other psychological/emotional problems will not find any therapuetic 

effects of evening primrose oil on their atopic dermatitis.  Since 

the patients did not receive any recommendations that would remove 

the cause of the atopic dermatitis, it doesn't suprise me that the 

evening primrose oil treatment was not effective.



4.  Concluding remarks about the study and the way studies need to be 

    conducted.



Unless the medical research community changes the design of studies 

such as the evening primrose oil study, very few herbs will appear to 

have a therapeutic effect.  Herbal medicines were not designed to be 

prescribed in a vacuum.



I believe that herbal medicines should be evaluated by the medical 

research community in conjunction with experienced and reputable 

holistic healers in a way similar to the some therapeutic diets are 

currently being studied.  One group of patients would follow the 

suggestions of the holistic healer.  The other "control" group would 

receive a typical, Western medical treatment for their illness.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ginseng report

From: johnnyo@teleport.com

Date: 9 Jul 1994 16:51:16 -0700



Last night I heard on the ABC network radio news that a study was done of 

commercial ginseng preparations, and that many had little or no ginseng 

in them. I was wondering if anyone else heard this report--I was dozing 

off and do not remember the exact numbers, or who sponsored the study, 

and most importantly, if they named brands. 

				Thanks, John

-- 

the opinions expressed here are not neccesarily shared by Teleport.com. 

And oh yes, I have been told, by a reliable source, that with the 

exception of the catsup, Mcdonalds' menu is completely carcinogenic.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng report

From: xkkkley@aom.ericsson.se (Lesley Stoa)

Date: 11 Jul 1994 07:07:54 GMT



johnnyo@teleport.com wrote:

: Last night I heard on the ABC network radio news that a study was done of 

: commercial ginseng preparations, and that many had little or no ginseng 

: in them. I was wondering if anyone else heard this report--I was dozing 

: off and do not remember the exact numbers, or who sponsored the study, 

: and most importantly, if they named brands. 

: 				Thanks, John

: -- 

: the opinions expressed here are not neccesarily shared by Teleport.com. 

: And oh yes, I have been told, by a reliable source, that with the 

: exception of the catsup, Mcdonalds' menu is completely carcinogenic.



This was a study made by swedish doctors in Uppsala. They found three ginseng

preparations that did not include any ginseng: Brazilian(?) ginseng, Russian root

and Up with gas. The last one included the drug ephedrin instead. I don't know

if these preparations only exists on the swedish market. 



/ Lesley



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gas and Beano - sugars??

From: mike.hormick@mgmtsys.com (Mike Hormick)

Date: Sun, 10 Jul 94 13:39:00 -0500



About a year ago my mother had her gall bladder removed.  Since that 

time she has experienced excessive lower intestine gas buildup.  I 

found a product at the supermarket called 'Beano'.  Beano contains 

Alpha-galactosidase enzyme (derived from Aspergillus niger) in a 

carrier of corn starch, sucrose and cottonseed oil.  The product 

states that it reacts to 'indigestible natural sugars'.



Can someone tell me more about these 'natural sugars'?  



Can someone provide a list of foods that contain these 'natural 

sugars'?



Thanks in advance ---



               -Mike Internet:mike.hormick@mgmtsys.com



 * 1st 1.11 #3622 * It's nothing a warm-boot can't fix!









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re:Gas and Beano - sugars??

From: dthomass@superior.carleton.ca (David Thomasson)

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 03:03:54 GMT



I can't tell you about the sugars but I do know Beano only partially

worked for me. It cut down on the volume of my farts but the ones I

did have were killers. The beano gave me really, really stinky farts,

while my normal farts are odorless. Try experimenting with diet to

reduce gas production. Dave











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gas and Beano - sugars??

From: giannini@nova.umd.edu (Jodi Giannini)

Date: 12 Jul 1994 14:27:29 -0400



In <Cst4IJ.D7y@cunews.carleton.ca> dthomass@superior.carleton.ca (David Thomasson) writes:



>I can't tell you about the sugars but I do know Beano only partially

>worked for me. It cut down on the volume of my farts but the ones I

>did have were killers. The beano gave me really, really stinky farts,

>while my normal farts are odorless. Try experimenting with diet to

>reduce gas production. Dave



I simply had to include Dave's message! (chortle) =)



Anyhow, beans are good for you, and you can de-gass them easily (and cheaply)

I can't give you the name of the sugar (it's a great big long one) but I can

tell you how to get rid of it.



Dump the dry beans into a pot.  



Add enough water to cover the beans.



To this, add about a tablespoon of Baking soda.  (I really don't measure, 

I just sorta throw it itn)



Stir to distribute the baking soda.



Put the pot on the stove, and bring it up to a boil, then turn off the 

burner.



Allow the beans to soak overnight.



You'll notice a frothy 'scum'.  That's the sugars.



The next day, rinse thoroughly under cool, running water.



Then use the beans as normal.  No air fluffies from anyone, at all!



The baking soda and water makes an alkaline solution.  When you boil

the beans, it breaks the bean 'casing' and this solution can get in.

Soaking overnight allows the solution to break down these sugars, and

rinsing gets rid of the froth and goo. 



Jodi 'It was the DOG!' G.

-- 

Jodi Giannini (giannini@nova.umd.edu)

"This parrot is DEAD!" 

"No 'e's not...'e's pining for the fjords..."

(ask me about the rec.pets.birds faq)









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gas and Beano - sugars??

From: stussy@kaiwan.com (Musashi Yojimbo)

Date: 13 Jul 1994 01:01:43 -0700



Mike Hormick (mike.hormick@mgmtsys.com) wrote:

: About a year ago my mother had her gall bladder removed.  Since that 

: time she has experienced excessive lower intestine gas buildup.  I 

: found a product at the supermarket called 'Beano'.  Beano contains 

: Alpha-galactosidase enzyme (derived from Aspergillus niger) in a 

: carrier of corn starch, sucrose and cottonseed oil.  The product 

: states that it reacts to 'indigestible natural sugars'.

: Can someone tell me more about these 'natural sugars'?  



The sugar is called galactose.  It's pretty similar to lactose.  What 

happens is that some people do not produce enough of the enzymes to break 

it down (galactase, I think).  The sugars gets mixed with the waste 

products and ferments producing methane gas (yes you can set your farts 

on fire... nice blue flame ;^)  This is actually very similar to lactose 

intolerance but not as bad.  Everyone seems to be able to produce enough 

galastase to prevent major health problems but not everyone is able to 

produce enough lactase.  I know that I get a little gas from time to time 

when I consume dairy products.  If you look at the Beano ingredients I 

believe the active ingredient is a form of galactase.  And who says a Bio 

major will never come in handy!









Musashi "StUsSy" Yojimbo                                 stussy@kaiwan.com

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: forskolin

From: jonbey@aol.com (JONBEY)

Date: 10 Jul 1994 21:02:05 -0400



ive heard about an herb called forskolin that is supposed to lower

bloodpressure, strengthen heart muscle, and stimulates fat metabolism.

Ive  been trying to find out more about it, including how much to take,

and 

for how long.  can anyone point me in the right direction?



Jon Beyman  email: jonbey@aol.com, jbeyman@delphi.com











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: forskolin

From: dudleyd@aa.wl.com (Dave Dudley)

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 08:43:35 -0500



In article <2vq5md$jdu@search01.news.aol.com>, jonbey@aol.com (JONBEY)

wrote:



> ive heard about an herb called forskolin that is supposed to lower

> bloodpressure, strengthen heart muscle, and stimulates fat metabolism.

> Ive  been trying to find out more about it, including how much to take,

> and 

> for how long.  can anyone point me in the right direction?

> 



Forskolin is a diterpene that is well known for its ability to activate

adenylate cyclase (and increase levels of the second messenger, cyclic

AMP).  As such it will elicit vasodilitory and cardiostimulatory activity. 

What was a surprise to me, is that it was originally isolated from coleus

(C. forskohlii, to be exact).



-- 

Dave Dudley (dudleyd@aa.wl.com)

Ann Arbor, MI, USA









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: What is British Troop Oil?

From: pcrawfor@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Patrick Crawford)

Date: 11 Jul 1994 08:38:37 -0400



I collect antique and interesting medicine bottles.  Yesterday, I purchased

a number of interesting bottles at a local flea market.  One of these

bottles is embossed as "British Troop Oil."  Does anyone know anything about

this product (e.g. what is it, what was it used for, who made it?)?



Thank-you in advance for your help, Pat.





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phone:  (902) 894-8095 (home)                       Canada   C1A 6L9

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: skin

From: guild@logos.cc.brandeis.edu

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 20:34:37 GMT



I was wondering if anyone had any ideas about the use of masks

for facial skin, to relieve oilyness due to humid weather.  I

would think that a combination of certain herbs would be an

effective method for relieving my problem, and I would rather

do this naturally, than go to the local pharmacy.  



If you have any thoughts, please e-mail me at:



guild@logos.cc.brandeis.edu



thanks











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:  Tea tree oil for fungus infections

From: glenn@gate.net (Glenn Tapley)

Date: 11 Jul 1994 21:08:24 GMT



I have information on the efficacy of tea tree oil.  It does work!  My 

father had an infection under his toe nail and cleared it up.  You just 

have to be careful about the quality of the oil.  Send me an email if you 

want more details.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Teeth Whitening

From: rtwd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (rob wade)

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 94 01:25:06 GMT



Hello,



	I was wondering if anyone had any information about herbal substances

that can whiten teeth.  Thanks.





Rob

RTWD_SS@uhura.cc.rochester.edu





-- 

_______________________

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Teeth Whitening

From: Mark_Farone@sfa.ufl.edu (Mark Farone)

Date: 12 Jul 1994 13:19:23 GMT



In article <1994Jul12.012506.23673@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,

rtwd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (rob wade) wrote:



>         I was wondering if anyone had any information about herbal substances

> that can whiten teeth.  Thanks.



According to Peterson's Guide to Medicinal Plants, native people used to

chew the branches of Dogwood to help clean and whiten teeth; precursor to

the modern toothbrush.



-- 

__________________________________________________________________________

Mark Farone            "A pile of rocks ceases to be a rock pile when

Univ. of Florida         somebody comtemplates it with the idea 

Mark_Farone@sfa.ufl.edu     of a cathedral in mind." -Saint Exupery









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Teeth Whitening

From: wallen@quapaw.astate.edu (William J. Allen)

Date: 12 Jul 1994 15:12:43 -0500



rtwd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (rob wade) writes:



>Hello,



>	I was wondering if anyone had any information about herbal substances

>that can whiten teeth.  Thanks.





>Rob

>RTWD_SS@uhura.cc.rochester.edu





>-- 

>_______________________

>Robert Wade

>RTWD_SS@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

>Pager #14-1267 + Your Phone #



My father-in-law says that as kids they used sage leaves--rubbed their

teeth with them.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ANNOUNCE: Sumeria

From: dmajor@werple.apana.org.au (David Major)

Date: 12 Jul 1994 12:48:15 +1000



SUMERIA



Alternative files on science, technology, health and medicine, and 

anything alse that seems like a good idea at the time. There's a small 

selection of political/historical stuff, but that shit gets really 

boring, so I'll probably phase it out in time.



Feedback and contributions are welcome.



* FTP

  The files are available via anon ftp from:

                    werple.apana.org.au:/sumeria



* WWW

  The same files can be got via the web:

           http://werple.apana.org.au/sumeria/sumeria.html





* MAILING LIST

  The sumeria-announce mailing list is a low-volume affair that is used 

  only to inform people about new additions to any of the file 

  sections. You can expect about one post a month.



  Subscribe to the mailing list by sending a message to:



          sumeria-announce-request@apana.org.au 



  with the word "subscribe" (with no quotes) in the body.



-david











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sinus help

From: dpsnyder@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Daniel Snyder)

Date: 12 Jul 1994 08:41:41 -0600





I have some sinus problems, constant mucus and headaches. I've been to an 

Ear-Nose-Throat specialist, and was treated with antibiotics, 

decongestant, antahistamine, and a nasal steroid spray (beconase). All 

these drugs cleared up the problem while I was taking them, but now that 

I've stopped, the symptoms are back.



Can anyone recommend a more natural approach? I hate taking mega-drugs 

like that. What type of practitioner should I see? How about herbal remedies

It seems that I'm susceptible to this low level infection, so maybe if I 

boost my overall immune performance my body will take care of it.



Dan Snyder, San Diego, CA

dpsnyder@nyx.cs.du.edu









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sinus help

From: grantr@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Grant E. Rostig, DC)

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 19:09:55 GMT



In article <2vua35$nm4@nyx10.cs.du.edu> dpsnyder@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Daniel Snyder) writes:

>From: dpsnyder@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Daniel Snyder)

>Subject: Sinus help

>Date: 12 Jul 1994 08:41:41 -0600





>I have some sinus problems, constant mucus and headaches. I've been to an 

>Ear-Nose-Throat specialist, and was treated with antibiotics, 

>decongestant, antahistamine, and a nasal steroid spray (beconase). All 

>these drugs cleared up the problem while I was taking them, but now that 

>I've stopped, the symptoms are back.



Dairy products or other food intolerances (allergies)  may be problem.





Grant E. Rostig, D.C.        <grantr@maroon.tc.umn.edu>

Prevention and Wellness Clinic

291 Aurora Ave., St. Paul, MN 55103  (612) 222 3171

Chiropractic, Nutrition and Herbology.......Services and Products.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Rose hips

From: metcalfe@UPEI.CA (Gail Metcalfe)

Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 17:00:30 GMT



I want to dry some rosehips for use in teas, etc.  Can you use any variety 

at all (i.e. wild or cultivated)?  Any special things I should know about 

drying them before I get started?  Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks. g.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rose hips

From: dww5@email.cac.psu.edu (Dale Woika)

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:54:03 GMT





>From: metcalfe@UPEI.CA (Gail Metcalfe)



>I want to dry some rosehips for use in teas, etc.  Can you use any variety 

>at all (i.e. wild or cultivated)?  Any special things I should know about 

>drying them before I get started?  Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks. g.



The wild rose hips vary in size, depending of the particular sub-species, as 

do the home-grown varieties.  All are cultivars of the same species Rosa 

spp., & the hips are pretty much the same from a nutritional standpoint.  

They seem to taste better after a frost, but this opinion varies.  In any 

event, this is when there are the most simple sugars contained therein.  You 

can grow varieties specifically bred for large fruits, & I've seen these in 

most of the larger seed catalogs.  As for drying, I would prepare them like 

any other fruit for dehydrating, cuting the larger ones into manageable & 

faster drying pieces first.



Rose hips are similar in composition & nutritional quality to other members 

of the family, which includes apples, hawthorns, & others.  They are high in 

vitamin C, but any cooking will affect the C content, as does drying to some 

extent.  



We have 4 wild varieties in cent PA, & they all have small hips, which are 

good for a nibble in the winter.  The rose gardens which have not been 

treated with anything more dangerous than, say, Sevin (carbaryl) produce 

larger hips, & seem to taste better.  Unless you know what has been applied 

to your neighbor's roses, it would be prudent to avoid eating them.



If you have a ready source of roses now, try making rose petal jam.  I 

did, & although it is a lot of work to collect the petals, the end result 

was exceptional!



Dale



--just an opossum on the information superhighway...









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome & Echinacea

From: nagel@industrial.com

Date: 12 Jul 1994 14:00:37 -0700



I feel compelled to post a warning on this topic, because once again I 

have come across someone who inadvisedly recommended Echinacea to a 

person with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.  THIS IS DANGEROUS!  



Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is caused by a HYPERactive immune system, not a 

depressed immune system.  Most adaptogens (including Ginseng, Echinacea, 

and others) cause a degree of stimulation which cannot be handled by the 

overstrained system of a person with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.  The only 

adaptogen I know of which is mild enough to be safe and helpful in this 

condition is Suma, sometimes called Brazilian Ginseng.  Suma may be used 

to treat CFS in doses of between 500mg and 1500mg daily, in divided 

doses.  A recommended starting dosage for a person with CFS would be 

500mg of Suma twice daily.  This has proven helpful in limited 

unscientific testing on persons with CFS.  I, myself, have used it for 

this purpose, and found it safe and effective.



I would advise people with CFS to avoid the other adaptogens, 

particularly Echinacea and Ginseng, until such time as they are FULLY 

recovered, and no longer showing symptoms of CFS.  It is possible that it 

could be safe to use these herbs before that time, but it is impossible 

to predict when in the recovery process such usage would become safe, and 

for this reason I strongly recommend avoidance as the best policy, until 

a full recovery has been achieved.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Start planning for growth in the group

From: anita@kauri.vuw.ac.nz (A Easton)

Date: 12 Jul 1994 22:52:05 GMT



fehrtj@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:

   rec.gardens.general

   rec.gardens.pest.problems

   rec.gardens.organic

   rec.gardens.vegatables

   rec.gardens.horticulture

   rec.gardens.landscaping



Where do herbs go?



How about rec.gardens.herbs? What would happen to alt.folklore.herbs if

this group was created?



Anita









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Devil's Claw (?)

From: narmstro@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Nigel Armstrong)

Date: 12 Jul 1994 19:58:38 -0400



I am trying to deal with a muscle injury in my shoulder described as a

rotator cuff injury. Very common I hear.

Someone suggested Devil's Claw.

Is this appropriate?

Physiotherapy and steroid injections have done little. Exercises seem to

make problem worse. 

Any suggestions?











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Migraine

From: apt@solomon.technet.sg (Ang Peng Tiam)

Date: 13 Jul 1994 03:57:11 GMT



I suffer from infrequent but severe migraine attacks.  My migraines are 

fairly classical.  Often, they are precipitated by excessive use of 

computers e.g. prowling the corridors of Internet.



Could someone suggest herbal therapy for prevention of migraine attacks 

and relief of attacks?



Much appreciated.







APT









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraine

From: pcrawfor@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Patrick Crawford)

Date: 13 Jul 1994 08:09:57 -0400



In article <2vvomn$qoe@raffles.technet.sg> apt@solomon.technet.sg (Ang Peng Tiam) writes:

>I suffer from infrequent but severe migraine attacks.  My migraines are 

>fairly classical.  Often, they are precipitated by excessive use of 

>computers e.g. prowling the corridors of Internet.

>

>Could someone suggest herbal therapy for prevention of migraine attacks 

>and relief of attacks?



One herb that has been shown to be useful in treating migraines is feverfew

(Tanacetum parthenium).  It can both prevent and reduce the severity of

migraine attacks. It must be taken on a daily basis.  Unfortunately, I do

not know the exact dosage.  However, I do know that it is available as a

non-prescription product (Tanacet-125) here in Canada.  The manufacturer

recommends one or two tablets be taken daily.



Pat

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraine

From: jonesj2@iia.org (Jeff Jones)

Date: 13 Jul 1994 16:21:02 GMT



Ang Peng Tiam (apt@solomon.technet.sg) wrote:

: Could someone suggest herbal therapy for prevention of migraine attacks 

: and relief of attacks?



Can't _MEDICALLY_ explain why this works, but ...



I fill a sink up with hot water - as hot as I can bear.  Then I put BOTH 

hands in and leave them as long as I can.  This usually gets rid of it 

completely.



My un-expert opinion on this is that (I have read) migraines are 

sometimes caused by dilation of the blood vessels in the brain.  I figure 

that if I overheat my hands, my internal thermostat will kick in and 

dilate the vessels in my hands in order to send more blood to them to 

cool them down.  A side effect is that the dilated vessels in my head 

shrink.  Or it might work because I want it to.



Laugh if you want, but it works for me.



                                          JJ









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HELP: I'm Depressed

From: daniel.doughty@cynosure.clark.net (Daniel Doughty)

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 10:03:00 GMT



I'm depressed and tired of it.  Does anyone have suggestions/ideas?  I've 

been told sunlight is effective, as is exercise.  I have done this and it 

helps but not whem I'm at work.  I've been told sleeping with a uv light 

helps also.  St. John's Wort dye supposedly is anti depressant but first I 

have to get them to flower and then make the dye and pray it works and pray 

it doesn't make my photosensitive and pray I made enough....  HELP!





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: De-gassing beans <was: Beano or something, I think>

From: ALI00AKC@unccvm.uncc.edu (Alicia C.)

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 94 07:36:46 EST



In the same vein as adding baking powder to beans, you can also add

1/4 to 1/2 tsp. cumin to the soaking water. Never cook your beans

in the soaking water (i.e. bring to boil & soak to reconstitute, then

rinse thoroughly and cook). A friend swears by adding a clove of

garlic to the cooking water. I've tried this, but find that cumin

works better.

Hope this helps.

 

 

Alicia

 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: De-gassing beans <was: Beano or something, I think>

From: dlancia@aol.com (DLancia)

Date: 13 Jul 1994 11:53:10 -0400



In article <16FF26B0E.ALI00AKC@unccvm.uncc.edu>, ALI00AKC@unccvm.uncc.edu

(Alicia C.) writes:



\In the same vein as adding baking powder to beans, you can also add

\1/4 to 1/2 tsp. cumin to the soaking water. Never cook your beans

\in the soaking water (i.e. bring to boil & soak to reconstitute, then

\rinse thoroughly and cook). A friend swears by adding a clove of

\garlic to the cooking water. I've tried this, but find that cumin

\works better.

\Hope this helps.



I've always heard that Tumeric, Ginger root (fresh) and/or Asafoetida

added to bean & lentil recipies make them more "digestible."  I would tend

to  agree since it seems those recipies that include these spices are a

lot less gas forming! (for me, anyway  ;)  )









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: De-gassing beans <was: Beano or something, I think>

From: sdunavan@aol.com (SDunavan)

Date: 13 Jul 1994 12:50:05 -0400



In Mexico, sprinkling epazote (Chenopodium ambrosiodes) on your beans is

supposed to help with gas.  I haven't noticed any difference myself or

seen anything substantiating this, however.



Harold McGee has a chapter in "The Curious Cook" on his efforts to take

some of the gas out of Jerusalem artichokes (which seem to produce several

times the intestinal windiness of beans!, perhaps accounting for their

lack of popularity in the U.S.) that provides some references to the

medical/scientific literature on de-gassing beans too.    













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Space for healing arts practioner

From: aharbour@moose.uvm.edu (Allison K. Harbour)

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:32:40 GMT







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Allison Harbour

aharbour@moose.uvm.edu

molecular diagnostic lab

dept. of Pathology A-168









