From botteron@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU Tue Feb 01 00:13:36 1994

Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 17:13:36 -0500

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From: "Carol J. Botteron" <botteron@GNU.AI.MIT.EDU>

Subject: Re: "Jogging in a Jug"



See the inside back cover of the Feb. 1994 "Consumer Reports" where

they have short pieces on misrepresented products etc.  They bought

some because of the health claims.  It's sold by mail, by the case.

The brochure has glowing testimonials along with a note that they

don't make any health claims.



Apparently fruit juice plus vinegar tastes just the way you'd expect.

If you call the CR office and offer to take 11 jugs off their hands

they'll probably be delighted.



Carol Botteron   botteron@gnu.ai.mit.edu



From GEITGEY@UKANVM.BITNET Tue Feb 01 00:24:08 1994

Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 16:24:08 CST

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From: Lynn Geitgey <GEITGEY@UKANVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: ozone generator

In-Reply-To: Message of Sun,

              30 Jan 1994 10:12:39 -0600 from <dettling@TENET.EDU>



Hi All,



For those of you still looking for an OZONE generator, try SHARPER IMAGE,

it's a mail order house, but they do have retail stores around the country.



They have a small OZONE generator that sell's for $495.95.  I bought one in the

Kansas City store, and it works great.  My African Grey really appreciates it.



Good health to all



Lynn

geitgey@ukanvm.bitnet

geitgey@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu



From dettling@TENET.EDU Tue Feb 01 01:19:30 1994

Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 17:19:30 -0600

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From: John Louis Dettling <dettling@TENET.EDU>

Subject: Re: ozone generator

In-Reply-To: <199401312148.AA16165@formby.tenet.edu>



Ellen,

You seem to know more about ozone generators than I do or what was posted

the first time around.  All I have heard was that ozone has

anti-bacterial, anti-viral, and anti-fungal (kills mold) properties.  It

is used to eliminate odors and in biological labs to sanitize equipment.

There were also comments that it has helped people with allergies.  I am

interested because I am very sensative to mold, and where I live mold

seems to be everywhere.  So I want an air purification system.  I am sorry

that I don't know the date when I first posted.  Maybe October? I will

contact the company you mentioned, but if there is anything else you might

add, please do. More later,

John



        John L. Dettling, Jr.   dettling@tenet.edu   Louise, Texas



From dettling@TENET.EDU Tue Feb 01 01:32:19 1994

Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 17:32:19 -0600

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From: John Louis Dettling <dettling@TENET.EDU>

Subject: Re: ozone generator

In-Reply-To: <199401312305.AA19131@formby.tenet.edu>



Lynn,

Thanks for the tip on Sharper Image. Do you or anyone out there have the

number for that company.  When I disconnect I will call the 800

information, but if you have it,please post in case it is not there.

Thanks,

John



        John L. Dettling, Jr.   dettling@tenet.edu   Louise, Texas



From ehlert@MSUCES.CANR.MSU.EDU Tue Feb 01 14:37:15 1994

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 07:37:15 -0500

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From: Brian Ehlert <ehlert@MSUCES.CANR.MSU.EDU>

Subject: Re: ozone generator



>In-Reply-To:  Message of Sun,

>              30 Jan 1994 10:12:39 -0600 from <dettling@TENET.EDU>

>Sorry, I cut myself off before I was finished.  There is also a unit

>available locally for about $500 Canadian which is a one bulb unit.

>If you are interested in it let me know and I will get more info on it.

>Iam told the bulbs are about $80 Canadian each and last about one year.

>

>Ellen

>



Ellen:



I am not familiar with air ozone generators that use bulbs.  Most of the

water systems that use bulbs are for UV sterilization.  I have even seen a

research (top-o-the-line) system that didn't use bulbs but made ozone from

canisters of Oxygen.



I am familiar, mostly with the April Aire system out of Minnesota ( I will

get the address)  I have been using it for 4 years and have been very

pleased.



BrianE



From FINNJ@A1.TCH.HARVARD.EDU Tue Feb 01 15:53:00 1994

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 08:53:00 EST

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From: John Finn 735-6080 <FINNJ@A1.TCH.HARVARD.EDU>

Subject: Re: ozone generator



        Hi,

          I'm not usually one to dump on a business but if you are going

        to contact Sharper Image, I would suggest you shop around for a

        compareable product elswere. There are two Sharper image retail

        outlets in the Boston area. The general consensus among my

        friends is that this is simply a toy store for the well to do. If

        the store carries it you'll probly find it in Brookstones for

        about half the price. Not to Knock Sharper Image, they have some

        really neat things. You just have to be prepared to pay a premium

        for them.

                        John.



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Wed Feb 02 07:16:22 1994

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 21:16:22 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: ozone generator



good ozone generator and ion generator

used and sold by Dr. Dick Thom, Baevertton, OR

503-526-0397



From dettling@TENET.EDU Tue Feb 01 03:09:29 1994

Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 19:09:29 -0600

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From: John Louis Dettling <dettling@TENET.EDU>

Subject: Sharper Image (ozone generator)



The phone number to Sharper Image is 1800-344-4444.  They do list an ozone

generator for $499.95.  It can be seen in the March catalogue.  The sales

rep. read the comments about it to me.  It basically read the same that

was mentioned earlier ie. eliminated odors, anti-bacterial, kills mold and

mildew.  $500 seems a bit much, but would be worth (to me any way) it if it

works. Maybe there are some less expensive ones out there that work just as

well?

John



        John L. Dettling, Jr.   dettling@tenet.edu   Louise, Texas



From antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU Tue Feb 01 05:48:03 1994

Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 22:48:03 -0500

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From: Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject: Re: your mail

In-Reply-To: <9401311142.AA15085@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "Eric Rieders" at Jan

              30, 94 00:01:00 am



>

> I am interested in what medicinal plants are used by the pharmaceutical

> industry for manufacturing of prescriptions drugs, and where and how

> the industry obtains them. Any suggested sources of information would

> be greatly appreciated.

> Eric

>



Eric-

That's a tall order. Fully 25% of all subscription medications are

still made directly from plants. Still more are based on plant cehmicals

but are now synthesized. An example is pseudoephedrine, which is the

basis of Sudafed. It is a synthesized version of ephedrine, which comes

from plants of the genus Ephedra. Another example is aspirin, which is a

synthesized and chemically stabilized form of willow bark.



Where are they obtained? THat's an even more interesting question. Some

are still purchased from wildcrafters and "root-diggers" who pick them

from the wild. Some are farmed, in this country, but often, from other

countries, where labor is cheaper.



One classic book on the subject is Plant Drugs that CHanged the World,

by Norman Taylor. It's long out of print, I assume, but available in

many libraries.  Another good source is anything written by Dr. James

Duke, who is quite prolific and still in print.  --



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From robbee@CRL.COM Tue Feb 08 13:42:06 1994

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 03:42:06 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: your mail

In-Reply-To: <199402081110.AA14728@crl.crl.com>



On Tue, 8 Feb 1994, Prof. Buzuloiu wrote:



> I am interested in the IBIS programme and I would like to receive

> the diskette you wrote me about, taking into account the activities

> carried out by me and my colleagues. I would like to receive the demo

> programme and the version for DOS.

> How I can do that by  ftp ?

>

>                 Thanks,

>                                 Sorina

>



Excuse me for chiming in.....but could you also post a source for IBIS

by ftp (if you receive a reply) to me at:  robbee@crl.com

Thanks

jrb



From nyealib1@TRANSIT.NYSER.NET Tue Feb 08 16:23:09 1994

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 09:23:09 -0500

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From: NYS Equalization and Assessment <nyealib1@TRANSIT.NYSER.NET>

Subject: Re: your mail

In-Reply-To: <9402081109.AA12587@transit.nyser.net>



Hi: I'm also interested in the DOS version. If you get a reply can you

post it on the list? Thanks, Patricia



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Wed Feb 09 09:23:27 1994

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 23:23:27 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: your mail



Dear people so interested in IBIS -

I will forward your notes to the AMR'TA (IBIS) office.

I, for one, don't know what an FTP is - any clues would be appreciated.

Further, you might do well to direct enquiries by phone or Email

directly to the IBIS office:

call 1-800-627-6851

in the USA or 503-228-6851 from any where - or via Email to

"73174.1044@compuserve.com" or "amrtaoffice@igc.apc.org" ,

they would be glad to send you a disk.



The DOS demo of IBIS is not ready but they are assembling a list so you can get

one as soon as it's available.

For anyone interested in herbs, Western and Chinese, or homeopathy or nutrition

or acupuncture or hydrotherapy....

IBIS is the most comprehensive and authoritative tool.

I have been using it in my practice for three+ years.

It gets consistently good reviews - and has for a few years.

Well worth investigating and getting into.

Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From robbee@CRL.COM Sun Feb 13 00:26:40 1994

Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 14:26:40 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: your mail

In-Reply-To: <199402121617.AA08353@crl.crl.com>



On Sat, 12 Feb 1994, AUGIE MASTROPOLO wrote:



> Hello, A friend is HIV positive, age 30, female,

> asymptomatic, taking AZT and Bactrim as preventatives.

> She is worried about the effects of AZT on the body,

> and would like to switch to a natural regime. Anti-viral,

> and immune-system building substances are necesary.

> Any information on "Green Tea", Chapperal, Rei Shi

> mushroom, or others would be helpful. Thank you

> Augie Mastropolo.

>



Important herbs for AIDS=  Radix Astragalis, Lomatia spp (Leptotania) and

Ligusticum porteri (Osha root). Also of note; Liquorice root (eat

potassium rich foods with Liquorice). Of course you know about Echinacea

try and use Ech. angustfolia if possible. Both Ech. and Hysdrastis should NOT

be used over long periods so alternate with above herbs. Cayenne pepper

and Garlic are also REAL important for general health for AIDS. Also,

diet is very important as far as; absolutely NO sugar! I am assuming the

peson doesn't smoke, drink alcohol etc. The Osha root should be used as

much as possible. Chapparal should NOT be made like tea. Make it like

sun-tea. (important).



jrb



Bye the bye...my sources say AZT is more harmful in the early stages of

AIDS than AIDS itself...it's like using a shotgun to swat a fly. As a

lifelong beekeeper, I can't tout the value of Propolis enough! I make

tinctures of both Propolis and Apis Mel. and although there has been

little research done on either one that doesn't stop people with all

sorts of immune problems from beating down my door. I know Apis Mel. must

sound strange (bee tincture) but it works just like being stung. Read up

on Propolis and you will see that the most recent research shows it to be

a very important immune booster. As well as the venom of Apis Mel.



let me know if you want more info about methodology, formulas etc.



From robbee@CRL.COM Wed Feb 16 07:15:34 1994

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:15:34 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

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In-Reply-To: <199402160109.AA04714@crl.crl.com>



On Tue, 15 Feb 1994 RAMSEY@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU wrote:



> SUB LIST Marilyn Ramsey

>



LISTSERV....NOT the LIST   <LISTSERV@TREARN.BITNET>  "HELP"



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Fri Feb 18 12:04:24 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 02:04:24 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: your mail

In-Reply-To: <9402160809.AA12090@guest.apple.com>



John R. Bidleman recently wrote, in a msg _to_this_list_,



>

> On Tue, 15 Feb 1994 RAMSEY@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU wrote:

>

> > SUB LIST Marilyn Ramsey

> >

>

>

> LISTSERV....NOT the LIST   <LISTSERV@TREARN.BITNET>  "HELP"

>



...But John, she's NOT ON the list, so unless you sent a copy directly

back to her, she won't see this msg from you!!



Cheers

jon



From robbee@CRL.COM Fri Feb 18 12:40:50 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 02:40:50 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

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In-Reply-To: <199402181037.AA05334@crl.crl.com>



On Fri, 18 Feb 1994, Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences) wrote:



> John R. Bidleman recently wrote, in a msg _to_this_list_,

>

> >

> > On Tue, 15 Feb 1994 RAMSEY@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU wrote:

> >

> > > SUB LIST Marilyn Ramsey

> > >

> >

> >

> > LISTSERV....NOT the LIST   <LISTSERV@TREARN.BITNET>  "HELP"

> >

>

> ...But John, she's NOT ON the list, so unless you sent a copy directly

> back to her, she won't see this msg from you!!

>

> Cheers

> jon

>



Oops, I thought she was one of the <help get me off this train> people.



From rlamons@TJHSST.VAK12ED.EDU Tue Feb 01 13:45:06 1994

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 06:45:06 EST

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From: "Robert L. Lamons (Bob)" <rlamons@TJHSST.VAK12ED.EDU>

Subject: Re: "Joggin' in a Jar" (the Recipe)

In-Reply-To: <9401312037.AA28547@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu>; from "Dawn M. Hayes" at

              Jan 31, 94 3:44 pm



Hi Folks,  Can I take a moment here and ask if anyone else has been inundated wi



th the ads for a book with the title of something like 350 Health Cures from Vin



egar!  I ask becasue they claim in the ad to control cholestrol and an ingredien



t in this juice is vinegar in a rather large proportion.  Does anyone know of an



y _Verified_ studies done on vinegar.?  I know a number of "cures" are well docu



mented for vinegar.  I myself will attest to the cooling and curative properties



 of apple cider vinegar on cases of sunburn.



Would you post your cure with vinegar?  If we get them all together we can proba



bly save the price of the book.

D



--

-------------------------------------------------------

robert l lamons              rlamons@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu

Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology

A Fairfax County Public School in Northern Virginia

-------------------------------------------------------



From GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@VAX3.DRC.COM Tue Feb 01 15:09:00 1994

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 08:09:00 EST

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From: "DRCV06::GRAHAM" <GRAHAM%DRCV06.decnet@VAX3.DRC.COM>

Subject: Ozone and air purification in general.



I think I got lost back at the corner.  I'd like to understand this area of

air purification.  I have heard of small purifiers with carbon and fiber

filters for under $200, and now the ozone machines for five to six hundred

dollars.  Why is ozone better?  I thought ozone was a poison, and it sure

stinks, at least, around the photocopiers it does.  How can light bulbs,

even eighty dollar ones, make ozone?



So many questions, so few megabytes to store answers... [grin]



Dan Graham



From gjwalli@MTU.EDU Tue Feb 01 20:09:09 1994

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 12:09:09 -0600

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From: Jasmine <gjwalli@MTU.EDU>

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 29 Jan 1994 to 31 Jan 1994



A long post, I apologize, but I've had to make up for lost time (graduate

school is a bitch).



Peter Szkraba <Peter_Szkraba@MBNET.MB.CA> asks:

>Would anybody know if Garlic Oil capsules (which are relatively

>inexpensive) are as good as the Kyolic (which are very exoensive)



In _Prescription for Nutritional Healing_ (1990, pp. 41-42) Balch and Balch

use garlic oil as the norm and suggest Kyolic as an alternative. However,

they also have this to say (p. 43):



        Kyolic-EPA is a blend of the most potent aged garlic extract

        and fish oil. It is distributed by Wakunga of America Company

        in soft gel capsules not only for convenience, but also for

        synergetic health benefits. The fish oil is derived from north-

        ern Pacific sardines. Kyolic-EPA is high in omega-3 polyunsaturated

        fatty acids, and is unesterified and cholesterol free.



Elisabeth Rowan <LKBROA00@UKCC.UKY.EDU> asks:

>As someone who has had the symptoms for carpel tunnel for several years...I'd

>>be interested in remedies.  Also, what are the best herbs to ease joint pain,

>>as I have had quite a bit in all my joints with the wet cold weather

>recently.  >I'd appreciate any help.



Since I don't claim to be a health professional, please talk to someone

with training before trying anything I suggest. However...



Since Carpal Tunnel and Repetitive Stress Syndrome involve nerve damage,

treating the nerves may be one way to help. The causes of these problems

are many, but my sources suggest using herbs and vitamin supplements that

are high in the following:



        Lecithin                important for nerve protection and repair

        Vitamin A               needed for cell protection and repair

        Thiamine                enhances circulation

        B complex               maintain healthy nerves

        calcium chelate         important in nerve impulse conduction

        magnesium chloride      ditto

        protein                 nerve repair



And for joint pain, my sources highly recommend alfalfa leaves, black

cohosh, brigham tea, celery seed, chaparral leaves, comfrey, devil's claw,

feverfew, parsley, valerian root, and yucca extract. They make a special

point of noting that yucca extract has been used successfully at the Desert

Arthritic Clinic.



Hope this helps, feel free to contact me directly with questions,

criticisms, and comments.



Jasmine



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|Jasmine          | We must make sure people understand the difference |

|Gaylin J. Walli  | between *vision* and *hallucination*.(Richard Brod)|

|gjwalli@mtu.edu  |                                                    |

|RTC Program      | Somehow it seems to fill my head with ideas--only  |

|Michigan Tech. U.| I don't exactly know what they are.(Lewis Caroll)  |

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From unicorn@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU Tue Feb 01 20:44:29 1994

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 12:44:29 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From: Angella Anderson <unicorn@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU>

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 29 Jan 1994 to 31 Jan 1994



>Elisabeth Rowan <LKBROA00@UKCC.UKY.EDU> asks:

>>As someone who has had the symptoms for carpel tunnel for several years...I'd

>>>be interested in remedies.  Also, what are the best herbs to ease joint pain,



>>>as I have had quite a bit in all my joints with the wet cold weather

>>recently.  >I'd appreciate any help.

>

Elisabeth:



I also have carpal tunnel which became more severe during the last few

months of my pregnancy.  I wear a splint at night (it should really be

worn most of the day).  Most of my problems manifest at night when I'm

asleep or if I am doing alot of typing at work.  One of my graduate

assistants, who is an athletic trainer, gave me some exercises to do

which do seem to help, but you have to do them 2-3 times a day for several

weeks to get some relief. He said he had also read that B6 was helpful,

but I am not sure of the dosage.  If you would like to contact

me via my e-mail I can get you a description of the exercises or

your address and I will mail you copies of the sheets that have the

exercises on them.



Hope this helps.

Angie Anderson, Champaign, IL



From POC01@ALBNYDH2.BITNET Tue Feb 01 21:28:44 1994

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 14:28:44 EST

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From: Patricia E OConnor <POC01@ALBNYDH2.BITNET>

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 29 Jan 1994 to 31 Jan 1994

In-Reply-To: note of Tue,

              1 Feb 1994 12:44:29 CST from Angella Anderson

              <unicorn@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU>



please post exercises for carpal tunnel, will be beneficial to

many people.  Patti



* Patricia E. O'Connor                  POC01@ALBNYDH2

* N.Y.S. Health Department

* Empire State Plaza Tower - Room 1219  1-800-638-3808

* Albany, N.Y. 12236                    (518) 473-7192



From gjwalli@MTU.EDU Tue Feb 01 20:19:13 1994

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 12:19:13 -0600

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From: Jasmine <gjwalli@MTU.EDU>

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 27 Jan 1994 to 28 Jan 1994



Re: Fever blisters (Pat?):



Goldenseal (expensive, but worth it), echinacea, pau d' arco, and red

clover are all recommended for fever blister treatment because they

strengthen the immune system, among many other things. Be aware, however,

that long-term use of goldenseal can weaken essential bacteria in the

colon.



Jasmine

gjwalli@mtu.edu



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Wed Feb 02 07:27:48 1994

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 21:27:48 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: skullcap



herb: Scutellaria spp.



Botanicals; materia medica

from IBIS: Interactive BodyMind Information System 1992,1993 AMR'TA



* botanical name(s): Scutellaria lateriflora, S. baicalensis, S. galericulata,

S. oVata

* synonyms: skullcap

* part(s) used: aerial portion

* qualities: bitter, cold, dry; associated with Saturn

* affinities:

* actions: sedative nervine, antispasmodic, bitter

* dosage:

> infusion: 1 - 2 tsp. herb to one cup water; drink 1 - 3 cups q.d.

> tincture: 2 - 4 ml.

> powder: 1 - 2 g

* therapy: nervous tension, insomnia, premenstrual syndrome

* toxicity: 1

* constituents: flavonoid glycoside, iridoids, volatile oil, waxes, tannins

* overdose may result in giddiness, stupor, mental confusion, fasciculations,

and intermittent changes in the pulse; epileptic signs and symptoms may develop

(Duke, p. 440)



From julie%marsh.cts.com@HARVUNXW.BITNET Wed Feb 02 13:18:22 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 11:18:22 +0000

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Julie Blaney <julie%marsh.cts.com@HARVUNXW.BITNET>

Subject: Re: undel. mail

In-Reply-To: <9402021816.AA11139@talcott.harvard.edu> from "Roger Claus" at

              Feb 2, 94 12:56:59 pm



> For several days now, when I mail to HERB I get an undeliverable mail

> message, but then get responses that indicate my mail was received by

> someone out there.  Other people are also indicating problems.

> Before I redo a posting again, can anyone help me figure this out?

> I get the message that the mail is undeliverable to XALID@LIBRARY.NTU.EDU.AU

> Does this just mean that one of the list members is not getting it, or that

> it is not beeing distributed to a section, or most of the list?



Ellen--



It just means that that one person isn't getting the mail you sent to

the list because of some problem on her/his end of things.   Just ignore

the messages, but if they don't cease in a few days, inform the listowner

and perhaps s/he will delete the address to spare other posting list members

the annoyance of constantly receiving an error message.



-Julie



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Julie Blaney  <julie@marsh.cts.com>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"In this world there are only two tragedies.

One is not getting what one wants, and the

other is getting it."  --Oscar Wilde

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From CLAUS@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA Wed Feb 02 19:56:59 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:56:59 EST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Roger Claus <CLAUS@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>

Subject: undel. mail



For several days now, when I mail to HERB I get an undeliverable mail

message, but then get responses that indicate my mail was received by

someone out there.  Other people are also indicating problems.

Before I redo a posting again, can anyone help me figure this out?

I get the message that the mail is undeliverable to XALID@LIBRARY.NTU.EDU.AU

Does this just mean that one of the list members is not getting it, or that

it is not beeing distributed to a section, or most of the list?



Thanks,



Ellen



From kaspar@TENET.EDU Thu Feb 03 05:40:14 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 21:40:14 -0600

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Alice Gann Kaspar <kaspar@TENET.EDU>

Subject: Re: undel. mail

In-Reply-To: <199402021806.AA28998@formby.tenet.edu>



I think there is an angry gremlin in the computer.  On the eat-l list, it

always sends you a message that your message was undeliverable.  We have

just learned to ignore it.  I guess it got tired of being ignored and

moved to HERB.  Now we get double posts there because everyone thinks

their message didn't get through and types it again.  :-)



Alice G. Kaspar       UTUTUTUTUTUT^^^^^^^^^^^^UTUTUTUTUTUT

kaspar@tenet.edu                < \  o    o  / >

TEXAS                              \       /

                                     [. .]

                                      ---



From LOUT2KK@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU Thu Feb 03 18:17:49 1994

Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 10:17:49 -0600

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Kim Pohle <LOUT2KK@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>

Organization: SAINT LOUIS UNIVERSITY  St. Louis, MO

Subject: Re: undel. mail



What is the Eat-l list and how does one subscribe



From ehlert@MSUCES.CANR.MSU.EDU Wed Feb 02 14:41:03 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 07:41:03 -0500

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Brian Ehlert <ehlert@MSUCES.CANR.MSU.EDU>

Subject: ozone again...



I am going to try this again, I haven't been able to post to the list for

days because a routing problem or a system change somewhere.



Ozone generator that I have been using for five years is:

     Alpine Air

     3100 84th Lane N.E.

     Minneapolis, Minnesota  55434



I haven't had a single problem with it, yet (cross fingers)



And a personal request:  Could persons please stop posting the IBIS software

info.  I have 6 copies sitting in my trashcan now.  I think it has been seen

by all who are interested.



BrianE



From ward@VAX.LIBRARY.UTORONTO.CA Wed Feb 02 17:56:20 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 10:56:20 EST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: ward@VAX.LIBRARY.UTORONTO.CA

Subject: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING



Does anyone know of an effective poultice for bruising. My partner slipped

on the ice and has a bruise covering most of her outer hip. It is very

painful as you can imagine. I know that comphrey aides healing but I'm

worried about the carcinogenic factor. Any suggestions would be appreciated.



thanks

Dana

Toronto, Canada



From @ Wed Feb 02 18:15:05 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 10:15:05 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: claribell Gallivan

              <Claribell_Gallivan_at_UM-ICS-PO1@MUCCMAIL.MISSOURI.EDU>

Subject: Re: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING



get some arnica cream/lotion and put on the bruise.  Could also use massage oil

that contains arnica.  It has helped my bruises.  I also took oral tablets.  In

October I had a teleprompter and video camera fall on my hand.  It was some

bruise!!! Puffed up to an impressive size.  I iced it for two hours than went to



the ER.  All they did was X-Ray (no fracture-which I knew), wrapped a 5" Ace

bandage (much too large) and sent me home.  I got to my chirpractor after the ER



and she did some electrical acupunture which also helped control the pain.

Stopped at my health food store and got the arnica gel than had my mother cover

the bruise with the gel and wrap with a more reasonable size pressure bandage. I



still have a shadow on the back of my hand.



______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________



Subject: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING

Author:  "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

<HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de> at MU-Internet

Date:    2/2/94 9:59 AM



Does anyone know of an effective poultice for bruising. My partner slipped

on the ice and has a bruise covering most of her outer hip. It is very

painful as you can imagine. I know that comphrey aides healing but I'm

worried about the carcinogenic factor. Any suggestions would be appreciated.



thanks

Dana

Toronto, Canada



From havlark@MILNE.DS.BOEING.COM Wed Feb 02 18:22:41 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:22:41 PST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Arlene Havlark <havlark@MILNE.DS.BOEING.COM>

Subject: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING

In-Reply-To: ward@VAX.LIBRARY.UTORONTO.CA's message of Wed,

              2 Feb 1994 10:56:20 EST <9402021602.AA11653@atc.boeing.com>



A few years ago, I hit my thumb with a hammer -- really hammered it,

so to speak.  It started to swell and bruise almost immediately.  I

was SURE I'd lose my thumbnail.



I made a poultice of comfrey and hyssop, and wrapped it around my

thumb, and held it on with gauze.  Over the next two days, I wore a

poultice, refreshing it from time to time.  Within a few days, all

signs of bruising were gone.



Good luck.



From @ Wed Feb 02 18:32:50 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 10:32:50 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: claribell Gallivan

              <Claribell_Gallivan_at_UM-ICS-PO1@MUCCMAIL.MISSOURI.EDU>

Subject: Re: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING



One more suggestion.  I have used the castor oil pack (al al Cayce) for sprained



ankles several times.  Since having to have a cast for a sprained ankle I don't

want that again.  One Sunday I decided it would be nice to walk on air as I went



into my garage (2 steps down).  I laid on the floor for a few minutes (PAIN,

PAIN) trying to decide if I was going to the ER or not.  Finally went to the

local rock shop and stuck my foot in an amythest tube for 30 minutes than went

home and wrapped the ankle with the castor oil pack.  Did not need crutches but

walked very carefully for a couple of days.



Castor oil can do some wonderful things.  I just need to remember it as a first

line of treatment.  A castor oil pack can be put on the body at bedtime and left



till am.  This allows the heat of the body to help.  If you use the heating pad

leave it on only 1 hour.  When you remove the pack the skin will feel soft.  I

usually just wipe the surface oil off and go on with life.



Castor oil is used in many products used on the surface of the body.  It was

also used as a lubricant for aircraft in World War II.  Its use would be much

less damaging to the environment if it was researched and used today.



I am a member of the ARE (Association of Research & Enlightment).  This

organization has all of the Edgar Cayce transcriptions on file and supports

research into the medical applications suggested in the readings.



At one of the Holistic Sympoisms in Phoenix, Dr. McGary, director of the ARE

clinic in Phoenix, talked about one of his children falling off of a deck onto a



flight of stairs.  They found no evidence of broken bones so they fixed a pallet



for the child was by their bed.  The child was restless till early morning.  He

slept till about 10 am.  When asked how he felt he said that Jesus came and

touched his back and it was alright.  No bruises were evident.  Note of interest



is that the Castor Oil plant is known as PALMA CRISTO which means the palm of

Christ.



______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________



Subject: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING

Author:  "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

<HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de> at MU-Internet

Date:    2/2/94 9:59 AM



Does anyone know of an effective poultice for bruising. My partner slipped

on the ice and has a bruise covering most of her outer hip. It is very

painful as you can imagine. I know that comphrey aides healing but I'm

worried about the carcinogenic factor. Any suggestions would be appreciated.



thanks

Dana

Toronto, Canada



From havlark@MILNE.DS.BOEING.COM Wed Feb 02 19:15:15 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:15:15 PST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Arlene Havlark <havlark@MILNE.DS.BOEING.COM>

Subject: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING



A few years ago, I hit my thumb with a hammer -- really hammered it,

so to speak.  It started to swell and bruise almost immediately.  I

was SURE I'd lose my thumbnail.



I made a poultice of comfrey and hyssop, and wrapped it around my

thumb, and held it on with gauze.  Over the next two days, I wore a

poultice, refreshing it from time to time.  Within a few days, all

signs of bruising were gone.



I`ve since tried just hyssop, and that alone also works quite well.



Good luck.



From BGASH001@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU Wed Feb 02 20:40:16 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:40:16 EST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X

From: "Betty G. Ash, CUER,

              University of Louisville" <BGASH001@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Subject: Re: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING

In-Reply-To: note of 02/02/94 12:40



What is an amythest tube?



Betty in Fern Creek



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Thu Feb 03 07:18:55 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 21:18:55 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING



Re poultice -

Comfrey's carcinogenic potential is with longterm dosing internally.

Works well steamed as a poutice.

Try Arnica 200c a few doses of 2 or 3 pellets - homeopathic.

Chinese Chin Koo herbal formula or Tieh Ta Ka

Mitch Stargrove, NDm LAc



From CMILLER@SIUEMUS.BITNET Thu Feb 03 08:13:31 1994

Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 00:13:31 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Catherine Miller <CMILLER@SIUEMUS.BITNET>

Subject: Re: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING

In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of WED 02 FEB 1994 09:56:20 CST



Try shredded (paste like) raw potato covered with a loose

bandage.  This should help to relieve the bruise area.



CAM

SIUE



From @ Wed Feb 02 18:59:14 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 10:59:14 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: claribell Gallivan

              <Claribell_Gallivan_at_UM-ICS-PO1@MUCCMAIL.MISSOURI.EDU>

Subject: Bruises



Reply returned undeliverable.  Now will send as an attached dos file.



Does anyone know of an effective poultice for bruising. My partner slipped

on the ice and has a bruise covering most of her outer hip. It is very

painful as you can imagine. I know that comphrey aides healing but I'm

worried about the carcinogenic factor. Any suggestions would be appreciated.



--thanks

Dana

Toronto, Canada



Get some arnica cream/lotion and put on the bruise.  Could also use massage oil

that contains

arnica.  It has helped my bruises.  I also took oral tablets.  In October I had

a teleprompter

and video camera fall on my hand.  It was some bruise!!! Puffed up to an impress



ive size.  I

iced it for two hours than went to the ER.  All they did was X-Ray (no fracture-



which I

knew), wrapped a 5" Ace bandage (much too large) and sent me home.  I got to my

chirpractor after the ER and she did some electrical acupunture which also helpe



d control the

pain.



Stopped at my health food store and got the arnica gel than had my mother cover

the bruise

with the gel and wrap with a more reasonable size pressure bandage. I still have



 a shadow on

the back of my hand.



One more suggestion.  I have used the castor oil pack (al la Cayce) for sprained



 ankles

several times.  Since having to have a cast for a sprained ankle I don't want th



at again.  One

Sunday I decided it would be nice to walk on air as I went into my garage (2 ste



ps down).  I

laid on the floor for a few minutes (PAIN, PAIN) trying to decide if I was going



 to the ER or

not.  Finally went to the local rock shop and stuck my foot in an amythest tube

for 30

minutes than went home and wrapped the ankle with the castor oil pack.  Did not

need

crutches but walked very carefully for a couple of days.



Castor oil can do some wonderful things.  I just need to remember it as a first

line of treatment.  A castor oil pack can be put on the body at bedtime and left



till am.  This allows the heat of the body to help.  If you use the heating pad

leave it on only 1 hour.  When you remove the pack the skin will feel soft.  I

usually just wipe the surface oil off and go on with life.



Castor oil is used in many products used on the surface of the body.  It was als



o used as a

lubricant for aircraft in World War II.  Its use would be much less damaging to

the

environment if it was researched and used today.



I am a member of the ARE (Association of Research & Enlightment).  This organiza



tion has

all of the Edgar Cayce transcriptions on file and supports research into the med



ical

applications suggested in the readings.



At one of the Holistic Sympoisms in Phoenix, Dr. McGary, director of the ARE cli



nic in

Phoenix, talked about one of his children falling off of a deck onto a flight of



 stairs.  They

found no evidence of broken bones so they fixed a pallet for the child was by th



eir bed.  The

child was restless till early morning.  He slept till about 10 am.  When asked h



ow he felt he

said that Jesus came and touched his back and it was alright.  No bruises were e



vident.  Note

of interest is that the Castor Oil plant is known as PALMA CRISTO which means th



e palm

of Christ.



______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________



Subject: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING

Author:  "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

<HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de> at MU-Internet

Date:    2/2/94 9:59 AM



Does anyone know of an effective poultice for bruising. My partner slipped

on the ice and has a bruise covering most of her outer hip. It is very

painful as you can imagine. I know that comphrey aides healing but I'm

worried about the carcinogenic factor. Any suggestions would be appreciated.



thanks

Dana

Toronto, Canada



From CLAUS@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA Wed Feb 02 19:11:39 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:11:39 EST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Roger Claus <CLAUS@ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA>

Subject: ozone generators



I'm by no means an expert in the field but am happy to share what little

info I have.



Ozone produced by ultraviolet lights combines with pollutants in the air

and a reaction occurs which seperates off the carbon, which sinks to the

ground and is vaccuumed up. (it is not visible and does not build up on

walls etc. as I am told can occur with negative ion generators). The

intermediate step is that the ozone (O3) combines with the water in the air

(H2O) to produce a chlorox-like compound (H2O2), which is the smell produced

if the machine is left on too long.  When ozone is produced by electrical

means, nitrous oxide is produced, - not a good thing to breathe.



This is different from carbon filters etc. in that they purify the air by

removing the pollutants, rather than by breaking them down.  I gather not

as efficient.



Re: ozone being a pollutant, as in the daily wheather forcast.  I gather that

it is not ozone that is the problem, but rather the    nitrous oxides which

are being produced.



When ozone is used for medicinal purposes (as it is in many countries apart

from the USA), it is used in injectible form and thus must have a much

greater purity.  For this use it is made directly from oxygen.  It is used

to add oxygen at the cellular level and has been shown to be very effective

in treating viral conditions such as AIDS, as many viruses can not survive

in the presence of oxygen.



I think the term UV sterilization refers to using ozone to sterilize water,

but I am just guessing, as I've heard this term used in relation to water,

and not air.



This is the sum total of my meagre knowledge, unless anyone wants more info on

its medicinal uses.  Blue Springs is sending me a  pamphlet so I may know more

in a week or so. (here's to learning!)



Ellen



From @ Wed Feb 02 20:54:44 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:54:44 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: claribell Gallivan

              <Claribell_Gallivan_at_UM-ICS-PO1@MUCCMAIL.MISSOURI.EDU>

Subject: Re[2]: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING



A lava tube that is lined with amythest crystals.  They can get to enormous size



and other types of crystals may form in the hollow area.  I use crystals for

healing and have written a book about their use.



I thought my message had not gone.  I have gotten 4 or 5 messages saying "mail

undeliverable."



______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________



Subject: Re: TREATMENT FOR BRUISING

Author:  "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

<HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de> at MU-Internet

Date:    2/2/94 12:45 PM



What is an amythest tube?



Betty in Fern Creek



From SALA%clinfo@UTAHMED.BITNET Wed Feb 02 21:32:24 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:32:24 -0600

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: THREE MUSKETEERS <SALA%clinfo@UTAHMED.BITNET>

Subject: Bruising



A couple of weeks ago I dropped a heavy object on my foot while moving.  I

applied ice and covered with a turmeric poultice overnight.  The next day

the swelling was gone and so was most of the pain.  I could walk again.

This works for sprains, fractures and bruises.



From C24884CC@WUVMD.BITNET Thu Feb 03 00:13:08 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:13:08 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Chris Carlisle <C24884CC@WUVMD.BITNET>

Subject: Bounces



Ellen, evidently you are getting a copy of the "bounce" message to

Xalid.  It's just a bounce to one person, not the whole list.  I have

no idea why you are getting a copy of the bounce.  Most lists just

have the bounce message go to the owner.



Just delete it and don't worry...



Kiwi Carlisle

C24884CC@wuvmd.wustl.edu



From dettling@TENET.EDU Thu Feb 03 02:47:47 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 18:47:47 -0600

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Louis Dettling <dettling@TENET.EDU>

Subject: thanks and sorry



Thanks to everyone who responded to my inquire of ozone generators.  I

found your comments very informative and helpful.  I apologize to anyone

who pays for their service by the message and feels that other areas of

health not related to herbs are unnecessary for this list.  I hope you

will understand and realize how useful this has been to those of us with

allergies.  Please forgive.



If there are any other comments on Ozone generators, please post to me

directly and I will be glad to forward to those interested.

Thanks,

John

        John L. Dettling, Jr.   dettling@tenet.edu   Louise, Texas



From GEITGEY@UKANVM.BITNET Thu Feb 03 05:04:36 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 21:04:36 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Lynn Geitgey <GEITGEY@UKANVM.BITNET>

Subject: Re: plants

In-Reply-To: Message of Wed,

              2 Feb 1994 14:20:33 -0400 from <CJABLONSKI@COLGATEU>



Hi there,



Welcome to the group.



Consider this a reply.



Lynn Geitgey

geitgey@ukanvm.bitnet

geitgey@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu



From GEITGEY@UKANVM.BITNET Thu Feb 03 05:14:52 1994

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 21:14:52 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Lynn Geitgey <GEITGEY@UKANVM.BITNET>

Subject: NIDDM



Hi All,



Does anybody have list of herbs or herbal products that are effective

in the treatment of NIDDM (Type II Diabetes).



I already know about Guar Gum.  I have read several articles on this particular

herb.  I need to know what else is available (besides the olde trusty Dandelion

Root).



Thanks in advance



Lynn Geitgey

geitgey@ukanvm.bitnet

geitgey@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu



From mleuniss@UOGUELPH.CA Thu Feb 03 14:30:23 1994

Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 08:30:23 -0400

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Mary F Leunissen <mleuniss@UOGUELPH.CA>

Subject: Ginsing



Does anyone have any information about the cultivation of Ginseng? The

only info that I have at present says that Asian Ginseng does not like

very fertile soil and that these plants do well in a woodland environment.

        Thank you,

                Mary L.



From ehlert@MSUCES.CANR.MSU.EDU Fri Feb 04 14:48:04 1994

Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 07:48:04 -0500

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Brian Ehlert <ehlert@MSUCES.CANR.MSU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Ginsing



>Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@vm.gmd.de

>Does anyone have any information about the cultivation of Ginseng? The

>only info that I have at present says that Asian Ginseng does not like

>very fertile soil and that these plants do well in a woodland environment.

>        Thank you,

>                Mary L.

>



How much info. do you want?  I have a few growers guides on Ginseng.  For

American Ginseng not the Asian strain.



I can copy and send them to you by snail.



Just drop you snail mail address and I will get it to you.



Brian Ehlert



ehlert@msuces.canr.msu.edu



From C24884CC@WUVMD.BITNET Thu Feb 03 17:20:47 1994

Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:20:47 CST

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From: Chris Carlisle <C24884CC@WUVMD.BITNET>

Subject: Repro option



I've noticed a LOT of you sending double postings because you aren't sure

they get through.  I'd advise you to set your delivery options to "repro"

so that you get a copy when you post, ignore "bounce" notices, and sit

back and trust to the net for a while.



Here's how to set "repro". (You can also set "ack" on another line to make

certain you get a message saying the posting has been delivered.)



Send a mail message to LISTSERV@TREARN.BITNET (NOT the list) with this

text, omitting subject, name line, and sig file.



set herb repro



That'll do it...



Kiwi Carlisle

C24884CC@wuvmd.wustl.edu



From christin@NEVADA.EDU Thu Feb 03 18:29:34 1994

Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 08:29:34 -0800

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From: Chris Wiatrowski <christin@NEVADA.EDU>

Subject: Re: more carpal tunnel

In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed,

              26 Jan 94 14:14:42 EST."

              <199401261919.LAA16398@post-office.nevada.edu>



Hi Pat,

I don't know if it works or not but several people have tried

ground marjarom on the sore.

Hope it helps, I know how painful they are.

Chris



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Sat Feb 05 08:42:17 1994

Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 22:42:17 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: Polygana chinensis-l and valerian root.



George8{d[ -

Just fighting pain is a useful start but much more is possible, like cure!

I would try to locate "Specific Lumbaglin" at a Chinese herb store orzt"

Vietnamese grocery. It works well.

Ultimately, if it is structural issue it will need to be corrected.

If it has tension components, acupuncture is time-proven; helps also

with pain and progress of structural therapies.

The Polygala may be Jin Bu Huan, a greta product recently banned by the FDA

for flimsy reasons. Still yoSxu want to address causes, not just symptoms.

There is hope!

Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



PS Homeopathy can work wonders also - but is best individually prescribed.



From gjwalli@MTU.EDU Sun Feb 06 21:08:57 1994

Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 13:08:57 -0600

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From: Jasmine <gjwalli@MTU.EDU>



Lynn Geitgey <GEITGEY@UKANVM.BITNET asks:



>Does anybody have list of herbs or herbal products that are effective

>in the treatment of NIDDM (Type II Diabetes).



My sources say you may wish to try ginseng tea. Ginseng decreases serum

cortisol levels (the cortisol screws up your insulin level). In addition to

the dandelion root, you may want to add huckleberry leaves because they

promote insulin production. However, these internal consumption of these

leaves may interfere with iron absorption.



Jasmine



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|Jasmine          | We must make sure people understand the difference |

|Gaylin J. Walli  | between *vision* and *hallucination*.(Richard Brod)|

|gjwalli@mtu.edu  |                                                    |

|RTC Program      | Somehow it seems to fill my head with ideas--only  |

|Michigan Tech. U.| I don't exactly know what they are.(Lewis Caroll)  |

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From clc@HDC.HHA.DK Sun Feb 06 23:44:31 1994

Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 22:44:31 +0100

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From: CLAUS CHRISTENSEN <clc@HDC.HHA.DK>

Subject: WATER PLANT and there use



I am writing a book about:



WATER PLANT and there use in:



*     MEDICINE (health care)

*     RELIGION

*     FOOD

*     Etc.



Background: I am amateur botanist. As profession I am

travelling around the world searching for water plants for use

in aquarium. In my contact with local people i have learned

that the majority of all plants are used for many purposes!



If somebody can help with: Literature, articles, knowledge, Etc.



I will be very thankful. Claus Christensen, InterNet: clc@hdc.hha.dk

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From LCMERONE@PCAD-ML.ACTX.EDU Mon Feb 07 10:23:23 1994

Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 08:23:23 GMT-6

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From: "Lloyd C. Meroney" <LCMERONE@PCAD-ML.ACTX.EDU>

Organization: Amarillo College PCAD-ML

Subject: Soliciting Opinions



My wife answered a couple of ads from the classified ads from the

local newspaper concerning weight-loss programs.  Coincidentally,

they were both Herbalife Distributors.



Frankly, I would like to know what opinion true herbalists may have

toward Herbalife.



Responses will be greatly appreciated!



Lloyd.



Lloyd Meroney, Assistant Professor, Special Services Counselor,

Amarillo College, P. O. Box 447, Amarillo, Texas, 79178,

Voice (806) 371-5438, FAX (806) 371-5470



From DFELTON@EMUBUS.BITNET Mon Feb 07 17:23:00 1994

Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 10:23:00 EST

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From: Darrell Felton <DFELTON@EMUBUS.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Soliciting Opinions



>From Lloyd Meroney:



... Frankly, I would like to know what opinion true herbalists may have

toward Herbalife...



-------------------------

My response:



What I've been able to learn about Herbalife company is that I don't trust it

(its integrity).  However, I'm certainly not a true herbalist.  I would also

be very interested in opinions from herbalists.



-Darrell Felton         DFELTON@EMUBUS          DFELTON@EMUBUS.BUS.EMORY.EDU



From robbee@CRL.COM Tue Feb 08 07:32:05 1994

Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 21:32:05 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Soliciting Opinions

In-Reply-To: <199402080058.AA09962@crl.crl.com>



> >

> > Frankly, I would like to know what opinion true herbalists may have

> > toward Herbalife.

> >

> > Responses will be greatly appreciated!

> >



        Personally, I have heard bad things about Herbalife and worse

things about the people who rely on those kinds of health remedies.

There are unsuspecting people people everywhere who are ill and frustrated

with their lives who are preyed upon by (possibly well-meaning) individuals

who think they are helping (perhaps). This company is one of the reasons

(aside from the financial agenda) that the FDA is scrutininzing herbs in

general. That I think is the most negative aspect of companies like

Herbalife...not only do they give herbs a bad name but they also prevent

those in need of herbs or an herbal answer from getting what they need.



jrb



From buzuloiu@LAMA.PUB.RO Tue Feb 08 12:50:24 1994

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:50:24 +0200

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From: "Prof. Buzuloiu" <buzuloiu@LAMA.PUB.RO>



I am very interested in the information sent by you, but I have not

found the book you wrote me about ( "How you can reverse the Biological

 Aging Process ") . I would like to help me , if possible, and suggest me

how could I get that book .



                Thanks,



                        Sorina



From buzuloiu@LAMA.PUB.RO Tue Feb 08 13:02:55 1994

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 13:02:55 +0200

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From: "Prof. Buzuloiu" <buzuloiu@LAMA.PUB.RO>



I am interested in the IBIS programme and I would like to receive

the diskette you wrote me about, taking into account the activities

carried out by me and my colleagues. I would like to receive the demo

programme and the version for DOS.

How I can do that by  ftp ?



                Thanks,

                                Sorina



From LANA@UTMARTN.BITNET Tue Feb 08 20:38:27 1994

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:38:27 CST

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From: LANA KIPLING <LANA@UTMARTN.BITNET>



I have tried unsuccessfully for quite awhile to logoff the herb list.

Nothing works.  I need help.  Thank you.

When I logged on to this list my address was Lana@utmartn - not my

address is lana@utm.edu.  Any assistance will be appreciated



Lana Kipling

FUR Station #76

Internet Address:  LANA@UTM.EDU

The University of Tennessee at Martin

(901) 587-7855



From Michael.Moore@UNI.EDU Tue Feb 08 21:05:30 1994

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 13:05:30 -0600

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From: Michael.Moore@UNI.EDU



-I have tried unsuccessfully for quite awhile to logoff the herb list.

-Nothing works.  I need help.  Thank you.

-When I logged on to this list my address was Lana@utmartn - not my

-address is lana@utm.edu.  Any assistance will be appreciated



-Lana Kipling



I, too have the same sort of problem. Snitly reminders by other list

members to send the appropriate message to the listserver are not

helpful. If the listowners still monitor traffic, I'd appreciate

mail from them. I can be reached at Michael.Moore@uni.edu.



Michael L. Moore



From BINNIE@DUQ3.CC.DUQ.EDU Tue Feb 08 21:58:47 1994

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 14:58:47 -0500

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From: Roberta Stapp <BINNIE@DUQ3.CC.DUQ.EDU>



Michael,



Try send to the Herb list at the LISTSER.  Leave the subject blank.  In the

body of your message type HELP.



This will give you a list of commands and usually give you the name of the

list owners.



From ICOOPER@SNYESCVA.BITNET Wed Feb 09 21:24:00 1994

Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:24:00 EDT

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From: INDIE <ICOOPER@SNYESCVA.BITNET>

Subject: Re: IBIS natural medicine software



When the IBM/DOS  version is available I would like a copy please.

I have WINDOWS 3.1, DOS 5.0 and both 3.5 and 5.25 disk drives as well as a hard-



drive.

ICOOPER@SNYESCVA.BITNET

ICOOPER@SESCVA.ESC.EDU

Indie Cooper, RN

RD 1 Box 312

Streetroad

Ticonderoga, NY 12883

Thank you very much...



From KAHN@EPIVAX.EPI.UMN.EDU Wed Feb 09 21:55:16 1994

Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:55:16 -0500

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From: KAHN@EPIVAX.EPI.UMN.EDU



<-I have tried unsuccessfully for quite awhile to logoff the herb list.

<-Nothing works.  I need help.  Thank you.

<-When I logged on to this list my address was Lana@utmartn - not my

<-address is lana@utm.edu.  Any assistance will be appreciated

<

<-Lana Kipling

<

<

<I, too have the same sort of problem. Snitly reminders by other list

<members to send the appropriate message to the listserver are not

<helpful. If the listowners still monitor traffic, I'd appreciate

<mail from them. I can be reached at Michael.Moore@uni.edu.

<

<Michael L. Moore



--------------------------------------



I have had the same problem. I have sent a help command to the listserver; I

have followed the directions for unsubscribing for every address I have ever

had; I have printed out the address listed for me and tried to unsubscribe

using that address. I have also sent a message to the herb-request

address that was sent to me at some point in my efforts. No luck. If there is

a listowner out there, my current address is kahn@epivax.epi.umn.edu. The

address I am listed under is kahn%epivax@umnacvx. Please help.



Emily Kahn



From cmlewis@SESCVA.ESC.EDU Wed Feb 09 22:06:24 1994

Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:06:24 -0500

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From: Cynthia McCollie-Lewis <cmlewis@SESCVA.ESC.EDU>

Subject: ADD



Can  anyone give me some advice concerning treating a teenager with attention

deficit disorder (formerly called hyperactivity) with any natural approaches

that produce consistent results in terms of increased ability to focus and

concentrate.  I am looking for alternatives to the usual chemical treatments

given to such children, for example RITALIN.  I have had him on the Feingold

diet in the past, but the results were minimal. I know that he has a number of

food allergies which when he remains on his rotation diet has produced

noticeable differences.  The  problem is such that his  impulsiveness makes it

hard for him to remain on the diet.  I was hoping that there might be

something I could use --nutritional -- homeopathic -- which would help with

both  brain  function and regulation of the central nervous system.  Any help

would be greatly appreciated.



                              reply to:CMLewis@sescva.sny.edu



From robbee@CRL.COM Thu Feb 10 06:10:57 1994

Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 20:10:57 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: ADD

In-Reply-To: <199402092139.AA19434@crl.crl.com>



On Wed, 9 Feb 1994, Cynthia McCollie-Lewis wrote:



> Can  anyone give me some advice concerning treating a teenager with attention

> deficit disorder (formerly called hyperactivity) with any natural approaches

>



You should contact a Homeopath in your area. There are several

possibilities as far as etiology and I should think it would be frivolous

to try and treat something before a positive diagnosis. ADD is (as far as

I am concerned) best treated by homeopathy...however as you know, you do

what works. I would try homeopathy first.



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Thu Feb 10 08:40:20 1994

Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 22:40:20 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: ADD



Yes I would concur homeopathy is where I see the most dramatic changes.

Working with food sensitivities or other stressors will usually help

but a well-chosen remedy can cure!

Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From rlamons@TJHSST.VAK12ED.EDU Fri Feb 11 14:16:20 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 07:16:20 EST

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From: "Robert L. Lamons (Bob)" <rlamons@TJHSST.VAK12ED.EDU>

Subject: Re: ADD

In-Reply-To: <9402092120.AA10952@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu>; from "Cynthia

              McCollie-Lewis" at Feb 9, 94 3:06 pm



Have you considered homeschooling.  ADD can be a problem for any student but it

is much less disruptive if you dont have to meet any schedule arbitrairly set fo



r your studetn.  We took our son out of school and have had fewer problems than

when he was in school.  It depends on how severe your problem is and whether or

not homeschooling is an alternative.



--

-------------------------------------------------------

robert l lamons              rlamons@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu

Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology

A Fairfax County Public School in Northern Virginia

-------------------------------------------------------



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Mon Feb 14 04:31:10 1994

Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 18:31:10 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: ADD

In-Reply-To: <9402100452.AA19059@guest.apple.com>



Hi. I am an adult with ADHD, and I have a mixed set of feelings about

various treatment approaches. Lemme say a few things, which I hope

will be helpful & not too terribly controversial.



1) Although I think that Ritalin is overprescribed, it does indeed

help _some_ people. You _may_ not want to rule it out _a_priori_

(though you may, just as probably). Depends on so many things.



I am taking it myself, as of this last Wednesday; I'm on a very small

dose, and I have lucked out beyond belief: it works extremely well for

me. I can just sit down & stay put, thinking calmly, for an extended

period. Just wonderful! I am now essentially faced with an entirely

new mode of existence in the world. There is also the fact that every

once in a while, someone gets a lasting effect from it: that is, a few

people can take it for a while and then stop, without losing the

benefits. On the other hand, it can be nasty, and it can fail in

several different ways. Sigh. Moreover, it's a crummy synthetic. Sigh

_twice_.



2) My neurologist has found a recent article in which the authors

report routinely finding cerebral (specifically frontal-lobe)

perfusion insufficiencies in many kids with ADD. What this seems

_to_me_ to suggest is that Ginkgo Leaf extract, which has been found

to be as effective as Hydergine for cerebral insufficiency and is A)

natural & herbal, and B) available over the counter, should be quite

helpful in this condition. I have no idea whether it will do the whole

of what's needed from the herbal/pharmaceutical standpoint, but it's

certainly worth a try even as an adjunct to other treatment. GIVE IT A

MONTH OR TWO BEFORE YOU DRAW ANY CONCLUSIONS!!! (Slow onset of

effects.) This is NOT a recommendation or testimonial, but I will

mention that the brand I'm taking is Nature's Way "Ginkgold".



3) Herbs (and/or other pharmaceuticals) are not, in general, the whole

story. You probably want to find a COMPETENT therapist as well. It

isn't just the neurology that gets mangled. I am now A) thoroughly

enraged (took me 40 years to get diagnosed correctly, and much of my

life in the interim has been a species of living hell), and B)

remarkably depressed some of the time (40 years, wasted!!). This may

(MAY) be less of an issue with a kid, but I know I was quite screwed

up by the time I got to highschool, and have had a great deal of

therapy over the years. I finally found an extremely competent

therapist, and I cannot begin to tell you how helpful she was, even

though she did not know about ADD. There's NOTHING quite like a really

competent therapist! (I am not, by the way, particularly enamored of

analysts or analytical approaches to this sort of thing. That's not

_at_all_ what my therapist is into.)



4) Some amount of cognitive training may very well be in order also. I

know that I evolved many parts of "my personality" that turn out, now,

to be workarounds for ADD problems. Some of them are reasonably

effective. Some are not. If you are in or near Seattle, I know some

people who do this sort of thing. My allergist sent his son to them,

and they are both very happy with the result. (The son actually had

only a couple sessions of training with Roberta Kern, but is

maintaining something like a 3.3 average at a tough college now.)



Hope this is of some use.

Cheers!

jon

(jon@guest.apple.com, in case it doesn't show up in your headers.)



From robbee@CRL.COM Mon Feb 14 05:44:38 1994

Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 19:44:38 -0800

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: ADD

In-Reply-To: <199402140340.AA21835@crl.crl.com>



Well that's great perhaps you should chime in on the usenet group that

discusses this...btw Ritalin sux my younger brother showed slight relief

using it but he recovreed completely using herbs...the bottom line is

like a lot of things...herbs take longer and require more awareness and

discipline. Ritalin sux period...if that's all you can manage..fine go

for it.

Whatever works for you/



jrb



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Fri Feb 18 10:24:54 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 00:24:54 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: ADD

In-Reply-To: <9402140436.AA27042@guest.apple.com>



John Bidleman says, in a recent post, "Ritalin sux period..."



I'd like more info here. How do you mean, John? What are the bad

things about the stuff? I want all the gory detail I can get: if I'm

taking something that's nasty, I need to know about it!



Cheers --

jon



From robbee@CRL.COM Fri Feb 18 12:09:29 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 02:09:29 -0800

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: ADD

In-Reply-To: <199402180832.AA26008@crl.crl.com>



On Fri, 18 Feb 1994, Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences) wrote:



> John Bidleman says, in a recent post, "Ritalin sux period..."

>

> I'd like more info here. How do you mean, John? What are the bad

> things about the stuff? I want all the gory detail I can get: if I'm

> taking something that's nasty, I need to know about it!

>

> Cheers --

> jon



 Forgive me for seemingly speaking for all the people on Ritalin. My

brother took Ritalin (methylphenidate) from a fairly early age. For me to

blame all my brothers illnesses on Ritalin would be a bit biased (since I

am an advocate of natural/herbal medicine) but if you'll look at the

disclosure literature accompanying Ritalin you will see about 50% of the

liabilities of using it. Ritalin, while a "safe" accepted drug is akin in

action to amphetamine and has all the attendant actions. Years later a

good friend who was at the Oregon College of Medicine with me looked at

my brother case and went so far as to say that the Myasthenia Gravis,

severe dental problems and other dideases were exacerbated if not caused

by Ritalin. The pharmeceutical corporations do not recognize vitamin

depletion as a side-effect unless it is acute and severe. Seven years of

vitamin depletion could have made my brothers adult life miserable, easily.

   He eventually succumbed to cancer of the thymus gland three years ago.w3

I will admit it is an emotional issue for me but look at the facts yourself.

I believe the long term use of some herbs can also be disastrous. I urge

you to consider the dopamine, adrenal depletion and possible severe

vitamin depletion. Don't take my word for it.



jrb



From IMDD@ALASKA.BITNET Thu Feb 10 07:26:32 1994

Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 20:26:32 -0900

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From: DARCIA _ DIERICK <IMDD@ALASKA.BITNET>

Subject: OOPS



OOPSCONTROL C

MAIL



From LCMERONE@PCAD-ML.ACTX.EDU Thu Feb 10 16:56:41 1994

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 14:56:41 GMT-6

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From: "Lloyd C. Meroney" <LCMERONE@PCAD-ML.ACTX.EDU>

Organization: Amarillo College PCAD-ML

Subject: Seeking Information



My wife's father developed a severe case of "shingles" last May.

Although he is better, he is still plagued with the symptoms.



In sharing several things I have learned from the discussions on the

list, she asked me this morning to request assistance from the list

in learning of herbal treatments for "shingles."



Before Gene has ALWAYS been an active and vibrant person, but this

has laid him flat on his back for MONTHS!!!



Any assistance will be greatly appreciated!



Lloyd.



Lloyd Meroney, Assistant Professor, Special Services Counselor,

Amarillo College, P. O. Box 447, Amarillo, Texas, 79178,

Voice (806) 371-5438, FAX (806) 371-5470



From @ Fri Feb 11 00:30:16 1994

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 16:30:16 CST

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From: claribell Gallivan

              <Claribell_Gallivan_at_UM-ICS-PO1@MUCCMAIL.MISSOURI.EDU>

Subject: Re: Seeking Information



I had a VERY,VERY serious shingles episode 4 years ago.  Still have neuralgia.

Use 125mg elavil at bedtime.  Also use Zostrix HP cream topically.  If there is

pain and I have recently used Zostrix I feel heat.  I have used crystals,

homopathy, chiropractic, hypnosis, message, lots of supplements, castor oil

packs.  They help but stress brings the pain back.  I think my back is out but

it is usually the pain. Hope your family member can get a handle on the pain

better than I have.



______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________



Subject: Seeking Information

Author:  "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

<HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de> at MU-Internet

Date:    2/10/94 3:34 PM



My wife's father developed a severe case of "shingles" last May.

Although he is better, he is still plagued with the symptoms.



In sharing several things I have learned from the discussions on the

list, she asked me this morning to request assistance from the list

in learning of herbal treatments for "shingles."



Before Gene has ALWAYS been an active and vibrant person, but this

has laid him flat on his back for MONTHS!!!



Any assistance will be greatly appreciated!



Lloyd.



Lloyd Meroney, Assistant Professor, Special Services Counselor,

Amarillo College, P. O. Box 447, Amarillo, Texas, 79178,

Voice (806) 371-5438, FAX (806) 371-5470



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Fri Feb 11 08:41:33 1994

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 22:41:33 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: Seeking Information



The following is from the Western botanicals section of IBIS

(Interactive BodyMind Information System) regarding herpes zoster,

aka shingles.  Other modalities are also helpful as herbs alone

may not be specific or powerful enough; I also use acupuncture,

homeopathy, supplements and Chinese herbs.  I have seen many

successful resolutions.



herpes zoster



Botanicals IBIS (c)1992,1993 AMR'TA



primary herbs



* Aralia nudicaulis: externally as a wash, (Felter and Lloyd, p.

261)

* Beta vulgaris (beetroot): general stimulant and

resistance-enhancing effect.  Large quantities of juice daily.

Note: urine and stools will turn red.  See Weiss, p. 232.

* Echinacea spp.: enhances resistance to viruses (Weiss, p. 229)

* Eupatorium perfoliatum: enhances resistance to viruses (Weiss,

p. 229)

* Glycyrrhiza glabra: antiviral, anti-inflammatory (Mitchell, p.

16a)

* Iris versicolor (toxic): (Felter and Lloyd, p. 1080)

* Rhus toxicodendron (toxic): acute inflammation, inflammation

with bright, red, tumid surfaces and deep seated burning pain

(Felter and Lloyd, p. 1673)



* Rumex crispus: internally (Harper-Shove, p. 155)



more info on IBIS can be requested from amrtaoffice@igc.org



From z999046@MDACC.MDA.UTH.TMC.EDU Thu Feb 10 18:20:19 1994

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 11:20:19 CDT

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From: "E. Sezonov" <z999046@MDACC.MDA.UTH.TMC.EDU>

Subject: Supplements



Speaking of supplements (ie Herbalife), does anyone have any comments

about Reliv supplements?

I've heard several "wonder stories", and for myself, I've taken it

and it gives me lots, lots of energy and helps me with my occasional

muddled/depressed mental states, really amazing how it affects me,

_but_: negative side effect: constipation.  Weird.  So I dont take it

regularly, just a little bit now and then, when I need it.



E.S.



From kbilton@CAP.GWU.EDU Thu Feb 10 21:54:36 1994

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 14:54:36 -0500

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From: Kathy Bilton <kbilton@CAP.GWU.EDU>

Subject: Borage



Greetings from Ice-Land:



I received the following from a friend today who is trying to research

CFS, so I decided to post it here and see if anyone might have any

comments.  I will forward any replies to her.  (She's new to e-mail and

hasn't quite figured out mailing lists yet.)

                    ______________________________________



I saw something interesting about an herb -- want to help me check this

out?  Borage, of all things, is said by Hoffman in the Holistic Herbal

to contain precursors to adrenal hormones, to act as a tonic to build

up the adrenals, to be good to help in convalescence from illness --

it's like he might as well say CFS here.  These are just the things I'm

looking at.  So, why borage?  It's usually thought to be pretty in-

nocuous, I thought.    <Bonnie Schrack  sh377002@scvax.wvnet.edu>



   Kathy Bilton  PO Box 886, Shepherdstown, WV  25443  kbilton@cap.gwu.edu

                        * CapAccess Help Desk *



From robbee@CRL.COM Fri Feb 11 08:16:55 1994

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 22:16:55 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Borage

In-Reply-To: <199402102054.AA16579@crl.crl.com>



On Thu, 10 Feb 1994, Kathy Bilton wrote:



> Greetings from Ice-Land: > I saw something interesting about an herb --

want to help me check this > out?  Borage, of all things, is said by

Hoffman in the Holistic Herbal > to contain precursors to adrenal

hormones, to act as a tonic to build > up the adrenals, to be good to help

in convalescence from illness --



 "Sprigs of Borage are of known virtue to revive the hypochondriac"

                                                  John Evelyn (1797)



Borage has ALWAYS been known to herbalists as a convalescents dream. It

has about 30% (fresh juice) potassium salts and also phosphorus. In fact

it is SO heavily endowed with potassium nitrate that when burnt Borage

will give off small sparks and explosive sounds. The name Borage is a

form of the Keltic "barrach"..."a man of courage". The flowers made into

a tincture and expressed into a syrup were known to be a great

"instrument to dispell all manner of ill-mood and melancholia....."



Borage is easy to grow and if one were interested I have some interesting

formulas (some ancient, some newer) for Borage wine, Borage tea etc.



> it's like he might as well say CFS here.  These are just the things I'm

> looking at.  So, why borage?  It's usually thought to be pretty in-

> nocuous, I thought.    <Bonnie Schrack  sh377002@scvax.wvnet.edu>

>

>

    Ego Borago Gaudia semper ago.

    I, Borage bring always courage.



Perhaps it is our society that has become innocuous, the early Americans

doted on Borage and candied the flowers. Borage flowers were considered

a salad ingredient long before the advent of Iceberg lettuce.

   I have found many historical references linking Borage and courage. One

such reference...."To drinketh wine imbued with the floures of borage is to

increase his countenance and bringeth courage to the weak".



jrb



From SCHJUD04@UCTVAX.UCT.AC.ZA Fri Feb 11 00:21:21 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 00:21:21 +0200

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From: Judy Schloss <SCHJUD04@UCTVAX.UCT.AC.ZA>

Subject: Warts ????



Does someone know of any 'miracle' cure for a friend who has tried

almost everything to cure his plantar warts ?



Please mail me with an answer - no matter how possibly far fetched

it may sound to you personally if you haven't tried it.



Thanks,

  Judy.



From JCROOKS@UCS.INDIANA.EDU Fri Feb 11 00:42:15 1994

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:42:15 EST

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From: Illuminati Lodge Local #666 <JCROOKS@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Re: Warts ????



Judy-Have you ever heard of the practice of buying warts?  There are several

methods but one of the more successful ones I've heard of is to offer the per-

son with the warts...say $100. for their warts.  Give them a $10 down payment

with the promise of the balance to be paid when the warts are gone.  This is an

old folk remedy with a surprising history of effectiveness (according to some

 ofthe wise old farm women of my family).

John Crooks (JCROOKS@ucs.indiana.edu)



From clarkd@SFU.CA Sun Feb 20 00:22:42 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 14:22:42 -0800

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From: Susan Clark <clarkd@SFU.CA>

Subject: Re: Warts ????

In-Reply-To: <9402191221.AA20282@whistler.sfu.ca> from "Judy Schloss" at Feb

              11, 94 00:21:21 am



Well, my friend had warts for many years on her hands and found them

painful as they grew (around the cuticle, I should say, where they push; the

warts themselves weren't painful). Eventually a friend took her -- as

they happened to be visiting the Ottawa Valley (here in Canada) -- to

a wart charmer. (This was after her father, who is a doctor, had tried

"everything" over the years.)



The wart charmer was from a Hebridean family who had

passed the charm down from father to daughter and mother to son (it

goes to offspring of the opposite sex, apparently). They chatted and

had tea, and the purpose of the visit seemed almost forgotten;

finally, just as they were saying goodbye, the man took my friend's

hands in his and said something, mumblingly, and then "threw her hands

away" as she puts it. He had enjoined her very strictly that she not thank

him as that spoiled the charm, and so they left. She forgot about it

-- doing a degree then in Toronto and very busy -- until she noticed that her

painful warts were fading. This was about six or seven years after the

warts had first started to trouble her. ... In a few months, they were

gone.



So, there you are. I like this story, as perhaps you can tell. In

fact, I can't say it sounds "far-fetched" particularly. Might be

coincidental -- but of course, so might any treatment and cure!



Plantar's warts are painful, and I know they differ from common warts.

(I've had both, briefly; and both, in my case responded to minimal and

conventional treatments). I wonder whether they'd respond differently

to charms?



I could find the name of this man if you need it. I didn't notice

where you were writing from, but perhaps posting to another board

(wmnsprt-l?) might begin to help you locate someone closer to your

area.



good luck, email me privately if you need more information,



Susan

clarkd@sfu.ca



From AFES@UTMARTN.BITNET Fri Feb 11 03:40:59 1994

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 19:40:59 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Kim Cooper <AFES@UTMARTN.BITNET>

Subject: warts



Here in West Tennessee there is a man who can get rid of warts by

rubbing them with his thumbs.  he pays you a penny per wart and then

rubs thempretty hard.  He tells you that he can promise they'll be gone

within about 10 days.  i don't know of anyone who's gone to him that it

hasn't worked on.  I feel sure it's the chemical makeup of his body that

kills the wart virus.  Anybody got any ideas or ever heard of this?



*******************************************Reach High,******************

Kim Cooper                    ****For Stars Lie Hidden In Your Soul*****

UT Martin Development Office  *************Dream Deep,******************

E-Mail: afes@utmartn.bitnet   ****For Every Dream Precedes The Goal*****

**********************************************************- Vaull Starr*



From petra_hinds@QUICKMAIL.UTAS.EDU.AU Fri Feb 11 07:24:11 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:24:11 U

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Petra Hinds <petra_hinds@QUICKMAIL.UTAS.EDU.AU>

Subject: Re: warts



        Reply to:   RE>warts

Hi  this is more in the realms of folklore than herbs but with all the talk of

warts I thought I share.



I sold a wart to a friend of my parents when I was a child for 2 cents.  It

disappeared from my thumb but the friend got a large wart on his nose which

turned cancerous.



He had to have surgery and a stint in hospital.  One part of me puts it down to

coincidence another part thinks it was probabley the worst money he spent in

his life.



Petra

Petra.Hinds@admin.utas.edu.au



From petra_hinds@QUICKMAIL.UTAS.EDU.AU Fri Feb 11 07:37:19 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:37:19 U

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From: Petra Hinds <petra_hinds@QUICKMAIL.UTAS.EDU.AU>

Subject: Re: warts



        Reply to:   RE>warts

Hi  this is more in the realm of folklore than herbs but with all the talk of

warts I thought I share.



I sold a wart to a friend of my parents when I was a child for 2 cents.  It

disappeared from my thumb but the friend got a large wart on his nose which

turned cancerous.



He had to have surgery and a stint in hospital.  One part of me puts it down to

coincidence another part thinks it was probabley the worst money he spent in

his life.



Petra

Petra.Hinds@admin.utas.edu.au



From clarkd@SFU.CA Sun Feb 20 11:31:09 1994

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:31:09 -0800

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From: Susan Clark <clarkd@SFU.CA>

Subject: warts



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>

> Well, my friend had warts for many years on her hands and found them

> painful as they grew (around the cuticle, I should say, where they push; the

> warts themselves weren't painful). Eventually a friend took her -- as

> they happened to be visiting the Ottawa Valley (here in Canada) -- to

> a wart charmer. (This was after her father, who is a doctor, had tried

> "everything" over the years.)

>

> The wart charmer was from a Hebridean family who had

> passed the charm down from father to daughter and mother to son (it

> goes to offspring of the opposite sex, apparently). They chatted and

> had tea, and the purpose of the visit seemed almost forgotten;

> finally, just as they were saying goodbye, the man took my friend's

> hands in his and said something, mumblingly, and then "threw her hands

> away" as she puts it. He had enjoined her very strictly that she not thank

> him as that spoiled the charm, and so they left. She forgot about it

> -- doing a degree then in Toronto and very busy -- until she noticed that her

> painful warts were fading. This was about six or seven years after the

> warts had first started to trouble her. ... In a few months, they were

> gone.

>

> So, there you are. I like this story, as perhaps you can tell. In

> fact, I can't say it sounds "far-fetched" particularly. Might be

> coincidental -- but of course, so might any treatment and cure!

>

> Plantar's warts are painful, and I know they differ from common warts.

> (I've had both, briefly; and both, in my case responded to minimal and

> conventional treatments). I wonder whether they'd respond differently

> to charms?

>

> I could find the name of this man if you need it. I didn't notice

> where you were writing from, but perhaps posting to another board

> (wmnsprt-l?) might begin to help you locate someone closer to your

> area.

>

> good luck, email me privately if you need more information,

>

> Susan

> clarkd@sfu.ca

>



to the list owner:



This post looks like someone else's text (all those >> marks down the

side) because it came back to me complaining that there was no such

destination (I used the R or reply function to send it).



From robbee@CRL.COM Fri Feb 11 09:13:10 1994

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 23:13:10 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Re- Warts ????

In-Reply-To: <199402110444.AA14313@crl.crl.com>



On Fri, 11 Feb 1994, Petra Hinds wrote:



>         Reply to:   Re: Warts ????

> Hi  This is more in the realm of folklore than herbs but with all the talk of

> selling warts I thought I share.

>

> I sold a wart to a friend of my parents when I was a child for 2 cents.  It

> disappeared from my thumb but the friend got a large wart on his nose which

> turned cancerous.

>

> He had to have surgery and a stint in hospital.  One part of me puts it down

 to

> coincidence another part thinks it was probabley the worst buy he made in his

> life.

>

> Petra (wartless and not in the market for any)

> Petra.Hinds@admin.utas.edu.au

>

I am, not only curious as to why this was posted here but also....why did

someone post it twice?



jrb



From petra_hinds@QUICKMAIL.UTAS.EDU.AU Fri Feb 11 09:46:53 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 15:46:53 U

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Petra Hinds <petra_hinds@QUICKMAIL.UTAS.EDU.AU>

Subject: Re- Warts ????



        Reply to:   Re: Warts ????

Hi  This is more in the realm of folklore than herbs but with all the talk of

selling warts I thought I share.



I sold a wart to a friend of my parents when I was a child for 2 cents.  It

disappeared from my thumb but the friend got a large wart on his nose which

turned cancerous.



He had to have surgery and a stint in hospital.  One part of me puts it down to

coincidence another part thinks it was probabley the worst buy he made in his

life.



Petra (wartless and not in the market for any)

Petra.Hinds@admin.utas.edu.au



From novotny@VSLD.TUZVO.SK Fri Feb 11 12:21:30 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 10:21:30 GMT

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Radek Novotny <novotny@VSLD.TUZVO.SK>

Subject: barley power



Hello anybody,

after velvet revolution came to our market a lots of "miracles cures", which

can help you from any health problems. We don't have enough information

about them. Do you  know somebody something about "BARLEY POWER"? It's

produced by firm Green Supreme, Inc., U.S.A.



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@   (  (-(--(o) --)-) )         Masarykova 24                           @

@   .   .  / | \  .   .         960 53 Zvolen                           @

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From robbee@CRL.COM Fri Feb 11 12:28:14 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 02:28:14 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: barley power

In-Reply-To: <199402110948.AA16883@crl.crl.com>



On Fri, 11 Feb 1994, Radek Novotny wrote:



> Hello anybody,

> after velvet revolution came to our market a lots of "miracles cures", which

> can help you from any health problems. We don't have enough information

> about them. Do you  know somebody something about "BARLEY POWER"? It's

> produced by firm Green Supreme, Inc., U.S.A.



Radek...There are a lot of barley products in California and in general US,

they are pretty much juice of young barley sprouts that have been condensed

and lyophyllized (freeze-dried). They are actually good for general

health but I think anyone making specific claims like "cures this or

cures that" is exaggerating. Barley sprout juice is like wheat-grass

juice or spirulina or any algae product. They definitely are a boon to

nutrition. Besides that I can't say I've seen a lot of data or even

claims on product information that states specifically these items cure

any disease. I have used Super Blue-Green Algae (trade name) and I will

continue to use it as a supplement. Great stuff. I think you should go on

an individual basis and judge each product as a supplement not as a remedy

for any specific ailment.



jrb



From gjforger@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU Fri Feb 11 18:14:07 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 11:14:07 -0500

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: "Garry J. Forger" <gjforger@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>

Subject: Otitis Media



I would like some information on what can be done for Otitis Media.  (Ear

infections).  In particular, a person who has had an infection for 2

months and been on four antibiotics, with no  help.



This is for an adult,



Thanks, post to me personally or the list,  Garry



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Garry Forger                    gjforger@mailbox.syr.edu

Crouse Irving Memorial

Hospital Library                315-470-7380

********************************************************



From @ Fri Feb 11 19:26:46 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 12:26:46 -0500

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: "A jester unemployed is nobody's fool."

              <STU_DRFULLER@JMUVAX.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Otitis Media



Egads.  I've had that plenty of times.  As a child, I had a history of

re-occuring ear infections which finally blossomed into full blown mastoiditis

(very serious infection of the mastoid process inside your ear.  If left

untreated it can travel down the base of your skull and cause spinal

meningitis.)  Since then I have to be very careful because that ear drum is

weak and has a tendancy to rupture if my sinsuses are stopped up.



Decongestant teas are probably your best bet.  Traditional Medicinials puts

out a few.  You want something that will relieve the pressure on the ear

(which can get extremely painful) as well as something to help clear out the

gunk inside the ear.  Try combining a decongestant tea with an anti-inflamtory

tea.



2 months and 4 antibiotics not working is probably a sign that something else

needs to be done.  Ear infections, even ruptured ear drums, should only take

about a month to heal max.  I would strongly urge you to see an ear, nose

and throat doctor.  Don't be surprised if the doc recommends surgery.  Its a

routine proceedure which will drain your ear and they'll probably put tubes

in to keep it from getting reinfected.  No biggie.  They fall out on their own

after a while but you'll need to stop your ears with cotton or something else

when taking a shower of swimming.



Yeah I know this is an herbal list but ear infections left unchecked can lead

to permanent hearing loss.  If nothing else they are extremely obnoxious to

deal with since your balance is off until your ear clears up.



Good luck!!!



Deb



From @ Fri Feb 11 21:00:48 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:00:48 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: claribell Gallivan

              <Claribell_Gallivan_at_UM-ICS-PO1@MUCCMAIL.MISSOURI.EDU>

Subject: Re: Otitis Media



Could it be allergies?  For many years I had my first bad cold or whatever in

January.  In the 50s a student health doc gave me some pyrabezamine (sp?) at

double the usual dose.  Did not say anything about allergy but the pills helped.



Several years later I was in the same town for the year and got a bad sinus

infection that would not clear up.  Finally was sent to ENT specialist.  He

drained my sinuses and informed me that it was probably allergy.  Seems mid

winter is when my major allergens are blooming in the south and the wind carries



the pollen 200 miles or more.



Now I try to be ready.  Last year I had allergy retesting.  Did not show lots of



problems.  A doc who is in the clinic my brother-in-law was in until his death

gave me one of the cortisone nasal sprays.  Helps great.  Gets the meds where

they need to be instead of throughout the body.  So far this year I'm doing

fine.



Last year's problem did involve my ears.  I did not even realize I had a problem



with the ears till I saw a nurse practioner and she found my ears to be

inflamed.  All that was bothering me was my nose.  I went through 2 rounds of

antibotics and still had problems.  Ended up seeing my chiropractor several

times and she helped get it controlled with the nose spray.



There are several herbs that might help the immune system.  Golden Seal,

Echinacea are well known.  Check with your health food store.

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________



Subject: Otitis Media

Author:  "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

<HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de> at MU-Internet

Date:    2/11/94 12:21 PM



I would like some information on what can be done for Otitis Media.  (Ear

infections).  In particular, a person who has had an infection for 2

months and been on four antibiotics, with no  help.



This is for an adult,



Thanks, post to me personally or the list,  Garry



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Garry Forger                    gjforger@mailbox.syr.edu

Crouse Irving Memorial

Hospital Library                315-470-7380

********************************************************



From caplin@NAG.COM Fri Feb 11 21:02:00 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:02:00 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Barry Caplin <caplin@NAG.COM>

Subject: Re: Otitis Media



>

> I would like some information on what can be done for Otitis Media.  (Ear

> infections).  In particular, a person who has had an infection for 2

> months and been on four antibiotics, with no  help.

>

   Get thee to a homeopath!  My son had about 15 ear infections (even

with those damn ear tubes) before I began studying homeopathy.  Since

I started using homeopathic remedies for him, he hasn't had a single

infection (about 7 months)!  Since the medicines depend on the individual

it's best to go to someone who know's what they're doing.



   Barry



Barry Caplin                  Internet: bc@nag.com

Numerical Algorithms Group



From DFELTON@EMUBUS.BITNET Fri Feb 11 23:22:00 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:22:00 EST

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From: Darrell Felton <DFELTON@EMUBUS.BITNET>

Subject: Response to ADD info request



"CMLewis@sescva.sny.edu" asked:



"Can  anyone give me some advice concerning treating a teenager with attention

deficit disorder (formerly called hyperactivity) with any natural approaches

that produce consistent results in terms of increased ability to focus and

concentrate.  ...  Any helpwould be greatly appreciated."

                              reply to:CMLewis@sescva.sny.edu

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------



After trying to respond directly to "CMLewis@sescva.sny.edu" with no luck,

I'll post my response to the whole group (sorry everyone else):



Hi.  I think I know of a nutrition program that may help.  I've shared it with

other families and it consistently gets excellent results.  I have a short

audio cassette recording of a "lecture" on this program by a nationally known

nutritionist.  On it, she discusses children's health and nutrition, some

causes of ADD, how to choose what foods to avoid, what foods to eat, what

nutritional supplements to take, what brand of supplements she's found works

best, why, etc, etc.



Also, I've shared this program with my doctor.  (He earned his M.D. from

Northwestern, Ph.D in Food Sciences from U. of Calcutta and Ph.D. in Nutrition

from Cambridge U.)   He said that's similar to what he "prescribes," including

the same brand of supplements (he doesn't prescribe drugs).



I'd be happy to send you a copy of this tape, if you'd like.  That way you

could see if it makes sense to you too.   Hope this helps.



-Darrell Felton         DFELTON@EMUBUS          DFELTON@EMUBUS.BUS.EMORY.EDU



From DFELTON@EMUBUS.BITNET Sat Feb 12 01:05:00 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 18:05:00 EST

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From: Darrell Felton <DFELTON@EMUBUS.BITNET>

Subject: Re. Herbalife Info Request



I just spoke with a woman who does colonic irrigations and nutritional

consulting for individuals.  She does not sell any "products" per say (I would

call colonic irrigations a service).

Anyway, she said ONE of the reasons she doesn't like or trust the Herbalife

company is that their weight loss product(s) contain an herb ingredient "Ma-

Huang(?)" or "Ephedra" (english).

According to her, this herb depletes the Adrenal gland/ system over time - an

"herbal speed."  One may loose weight but it's a very unhealthy and harmful

way, in the long run, to do it.  She added that it's especially harmful to

those with high blood pressure and to women with hormonal concerns.  If this

is accurate, to me, it's yet another example of this company's irresponsible

nature.

Comments anyone?



-Darrell Felton         DFELTON@EMUBUS          DFELTON@EMUBUS.BUS.EMORY.EDU



From robbee@CRL.COM Sun Feb 13 00:53:39 1994

Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 14:53:39 -0800

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Re. Herbalife Info Request

In-Reply-To: <199402121834.AA17539@crl.crl.com>



D:

Ma Huang is ok in small doses, herbalife puts WAY too much in its formula....

this is no surprise. However, it would take a hell of a lot to really

create the problems you state. After all, they call it "Mormon tea" and I

have taken it for Rhinitis. (I can't have my nose running inside a bee veil,

the constant sniffing alarms the bees) and I see no problem with it.



jrb



From julie%marsh.cts.com@HARVUNXW.BITNET Sun Feb 13 08:06:37 1994

Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 06:06:37 +0000

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From: Julie Blaney <julie%marsh.cts.com@HARVUNXW.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Re. Herbalife Info Request

In-Reply-To: <9402122251.AA25518@talcott.harvard.edu> from "John Robert

              Bidleman " at Feb 12, 94 02:53:39 pm



>

> D:

> Ma Huang is ok in small doses, herbalife puts WAY too much in its formula....

> this is no surprise. However, it would take a hell of a lot to really

> create the problems you state. After all, they call it "Mormon tea" and I

> have taken it for Rhinitis. (I can't have my nose running inside a bee veil,

> the constant sniffing alarms the bees) and I see no problem with it.



Ma-Huang is a different species of ephedra from that used to make Mormon

Tea.  Ma-Huang (ephedra sinica) is Chinese and contains much more

ephedrine (the chemical useful for treating colds, the active ingredient

in Sudafed) than the other species.  As far as I know, the species used

for Mormon Tea (I've forgotten the scientific name) is harmless, while

ma-huang can cause problems in large doses.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Julie Blaney  <julie@marsh.cts.com>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"In this world there are only two tragedies.

One is not getting what one wants, and the

other is getting it."  --Oscar Wilde

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From robbee@CRL.COM Sun Feb 13 11:39:44 1994

Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 01:39:44 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Re. Herbalife Info Request

In-Reply-To: <199402130806.AA04049@crl.crl.com>



On Sun, 13 Feb 1994, Julie Blaney wrote:



> >

> > D:

> > Ma Huang is ok in small doses, herbalife puts WAY too much in its

 formula....

> > this is no surprise. However, it would take a hell of a lot to really

> > create the problems you state. After all, they call it "Mormon tea" and I

> > have taken it for Rhinitis. (I can't have my nose running inside a bee veil,



> > the constant sniffing alarms the bees) and I see no problem with it.

>

> Ma-Huang is a different species of ephedra from that used to make Mormon

> Tea.  Ma-Huang (ephedra sinica) is Chinese and contains much more

> ephedrine (the chemical useful for treating colds, the active ingredient

> in Sudafed) than the other species.  As far as I know, the species used

> for Mormon Tea (I've forgotten the scientific name) is harmless, while

> ma-huang can cause problems in large doses.

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>     Julie Blaney  <julie@marsh.cts.com>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> "In this world there are only two tragedies.

> One is not getting what one wants, and the

> other is getting it."  --Oscar Wilde

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

Ephedra is Ephedra.....according to the "Chemical constituents of Chinese

Herbs" Ma Huang is NOT that much different from Eph. spp. except that yes

it is stroger. However this varies quite a bit from plant to plant and

that is true also of Eph. spp. (desert or Mormon tea). Ephedrine by

itself is a potent drug but if you make a weak tea of Ma Huang as opposed

to a strong tea of Desert tea...you have about the same thing. The levels

of Ephedrine can vary within each specie, so much infact that if you take

the strongest Eph. spp. it compares with the weakest Ma Huang (Eph. sinica).



Perhaps the most important aspect here is trial...I have had Eph. spp.

that literally WOKE me up! (and dried me up) and I've had Ma Huang that

was not that effective. One was fresh and the other was pretty old.

(guess which) Locally there is a over the counter "vitamin" energy

preparation called eyewide...I looked at the ingredients..it contains

Guarana and....Ephedra Spp. So, I think there IS a great deal of

difference in potency if you are dealing with lopsided samples but there

really isn't that much if you carefully test the herb first. The Navajo's

use a bit of it. When I worked for the public health service the Navajo

and Hopi's gave me some for a flu....not weak at all. However, I have to

admit that I have had some pretty strong Ma Huang also. But it was

powdered and condensed so....there you go.



-=B)



From uc714@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA Sat Feb 12 03:50:34 1994

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 17:50:34 PST

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From: David Chapman <uc714@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA>

Subject: Dong quai and menopause



Hello all.  This is my first posting here, so please bear with me if I

am re-hashing common threads.

 I sysop a small BBS which has a cooking interest.  One of my callers asked

if I could find some information on the use of dong quai to relieve symptoms

of menopause.  I searched the archives of HERB and came up with one item

and forwarded it, but I am wondering if anyone has furthur information.

 Also, can anyone recommend any books on the growth and use of herbs?



                                           Thanks,

                                           Dave Chapman



From robbee@CRL.COM Sat Feb 12 14:46:54 1994

Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 04:46:54 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Dong quai and menopause

In-Reply-To: <199302120533.AA11219@crl.crl.com>



On Fri, 11 Feb 1994, David Chapman wrote:



> Hello all.  This is my first posting here, so please bear with me if I

> am re-hashing common threads.

>  I sysop a small BBS which has a cooking interest.  One of my callers asked

> if I could find some information on the use of dong quai to relieve symptoms

> of menopause.  I searched the archives of HERB and came up with one item

> and forwarded it, but I am wondering if anyone has furthur information.

>  Also, can anyone recommend any books on the growth and use of herbs?

>

>                                            Thanks,

>



Its better to have a good quality dong quuai...search out a good reliable

source no capsules...chew on it. Tea is quaint but Dong Quai is best chewed.

It is better to take a little over a long period of time rather than to

dose oneself with strong tea or caps of it. The tea and caps are not

al;ways the best quality.



jrb



From PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU Mon Feb 14 18:42:22 1994

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 11:42:22 -0500

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From: PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU

Subject: Re: Dong quai and menopause



I tried taking Dong Quai and lots of Vitamin E for about a

year without any success.  Finally I had to give in and go

on hormone replacement therapy.  It was not a choice I

wanted to make but the severe hot flashes and other

symptoms left me no choice.



Paulette



From robbee@CRL.COM Tue Feb 15 15:03:28 1994

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 05:03:28 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Dong quai and menopause

In-Reply-To: <199402150922.AA24303@crl.crl.com>



Sounds like a reluctant choice. I think there is actually much better

therapy with herbs than just Dong Quai. DQ is a great support but you

really have to work on several levels.



From z999046@MDACC.MDA.UTH.TMC.EDU Tue Feb 15 21:28:11 1994

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:28:11 CST

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From: "E. Sezonov" <z999046@MDACC.MDA.UTH.TMC.EDU>

Subject: Re: Dong quai and menopause



Paulette says "I tried taking Dong Quai and lots of Vitamin E for about a

year without any success..."



My source book says: "Dairy products, sugar, and meat cause most hot

flashes".  Also needed are vit B complex, C, Ca, stress reduction, -> yoga,

etc. etc.



I'm struggling with this myself, still haven't given in to estrogen.



ES



From PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU Tue Feb 15 22:11:53 1994

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 15:11:53 -0500

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From: PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU

Subject: Re: Dong quai and menopause



I think it is a good idea to explore all the alternatives

before trying HRT.  I find I feel much better in a lot

of different ways on HRT.  It also helps my arthritis

symptoms.



Good Luck!



Paulette



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Thu Feb 17 05:24:26 1994

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 19:24:26 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: Dong quai and menopause



Don't despair re hormones.

First, menopause is supposed to happ

en.

Second, herb medicine in teh West was dominated by older women who needed

to treat menopause for themselves and their friends.

However, most of these crones were burned because such healing was/is

witchcraft, in the best sense of the word.

Anyways, there are many good herbal alternatives.

Tang Kwei and Vit E are simply not adequate for many women.

A trained professional, such as a naturopathic physician (ND) or

acupuncturist can help you with individualized treatment.

Herbs and homeopathy are excellent; acupuncture can help a lot.9

Hormone replacement therapy throws the body off its rhythms and forces

preset amounts of foreign hormones onto the body without any regard for

the daily and circadian rhythms, needs and stresses.

Essentially this is mass guinea pig work.

Best of luck.

Trust your body and help it work.

Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From amastrop@SESCVA.ESC.EDU Sat Feb 12 17:13:37 1994

Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 10:13:37 -0500

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From: AUGIE MASTROPOLO <amastrop@SESCVA.ESC.EDU>



Hello, A friend is HIV positive, age 30, female,

asymptomatic, taking AZT and Bactrim as preventatives.

She is worried about the effects of AZT on the body,

and would like to switch to a natural regime. Anti-viral,

and immune-system building substances are necesary.

Any information on "Green Tea", Chapperal, Rei Shi

mushroom, or others would be helpful. Thank you

Augie Mastropolo.



From uc714@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA Sat Feb 12 17:21:46 1994

Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 10:21:46 -0500

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: David Chapman <uc714@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA>

Subject: Dong Quai and menopause



Hello all.  This is my first posting here, so please bear with me if I

am re-hashing common threads.

 I sysop a small BBS which has a cooking interest.  One of my callers asked

if I could find some information on the use of dong quai to relieve symptoms

of menopause.  I searched the archives of HERB and came up with one item

and forwarded it, but I am wondering if anyone has furthur information.

 Also, can anyone recommend any books (English) on the growth and use of herbs?



                                           Thanks,

                                           Dave Chapman

                                           uc714@freenet.victoria.bc.ca



From sgastete@U.WASHINGTON.EDU Sat Feb 12 22:40:46 1994

Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 12:40:46 -0800

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From: sgastete@U.WASHINGTON.EDU

Subject: Re: Warts

In-Reply-To: <9402110438.AA26411@carson.u.washington.edu>



I want to share my story about warts.



When my daughter was 1 and 1/2 years old she got warts on her hands.  The

warts spread to several parts of her body.  I was not as worried as when

she got some small ones near her eyes.  Our pediatrician suggested an off

the counter medicine (I think it was Compound C, I don't remember) which

did not work at all.



After several months (she was already two) I took her to the naturopathic

doctor.  He asked my daughter for her warts in exchange of 25 cts. coins.

My daughter refused.  She told him her warts were hers and she proceeded

to hide her hands from him and cried saying again that her warts were

hers.  Well, I had to confort her by telling her that she was right.



Another naturopathic physician had to take the place of the previous one

in my next visit.  Of course, she kept her hands behind her.  The "trade"

treatment was dropped.  The new doctor prescribed a homeopathic medicine

(in the form of tiny pearls) to take internally, one once a day and also

an oil from the Thuja plant to apply only on the warts of her hands.  This

treatment worked wonderfully and she has not had warts since then.  She

is thirteen now.



Since the warts dissapeared before the Thuja was gone I sent the

oil to my brother in Peru who had big warts on his hands.  The oil by

itself made his warts dissapear after six weeks.



The regular doctor, the pediatrician, was surprised to see that the

warts were all gone and took note of the "miracle" oil to consider as

treatment for his patients with stubborn warts.



Bye,



Sabina



From dettling@TENET.EDU Sun Feb 13 04:41:38 1994

Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 20:41:38 -0600

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From: John Louis Dettling <dettling@TENET.EDU>

Subject: blue-green algae



Would anyone know the benefits of Quercetin?  I know it is derived from

blue-green algae and is suggested for allergies.  More information would

be appreciated.

thanks,

John



        John L. Dettling, Jr.   dettling@tenet.edu   Louise, Texas



From robbee@CRL.COM Sun Feb 13 07:19:05 1994

Date: Sat, 12 Feb 1994 21:19:05 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: blue-green algae

In-Reply-To: <199402130404.AA20886@crl.crl.com>



On Sat, 12 Feb 1994, John Louis Dettling wrote:



> Would anyone know the benefits of Quercetin?  I know it is derived from

> blue-green algae and is suggested for allergies.  More information would

> be appreciated.

> thanks,

> John

>

>         John L. Dettling, Jr.   dettling@tenet.edu   Louise, Texas

>



Yes, I do know of the product you speak of...but I feel it is MUCH better

taking super blue green as a dietary supplement (which would also help

allergies) rather than reduce one element, wrenching it out of balance in

order to achieve some suppression. Allergies are based on specific allergens

(in most cases) and to stifle the symptoms is to defeat the bodies

healing process (even allopathic medicine is _starting_ to acknowledge that).

So, it would be much more to one's benefit to take blue green algae over

a longer period of time than to treat the symptons which will enevitably

emerge somewhere else in a more robust and deletorious manner.

   I remember reading about the people who first extracted cocaine from

the seemingly innocuous coca leaf. The story, also, of the Dutch who manned

the first sugar plantations and ate themselves to death (literally). It's

a strong analogy but I detest extracting, beyond a certain level, natural

items for the convenience or profit of those who have in their power to

keep the integrity of such things. I know there are a lot of valid reasons

to extract (for instance the Yew trees anti-cancer drug) and it certainly

enhances the power of natural healing yet my opinion is (after taking

blue green for several years and being completely devoid of any allergies)

to go the slow, natural and simple route with remedies. It lasts a lot

longer and is in all cases a most surer and gentler path.



jrb



From MOKCSD@DELPHI.COM Sun Feb 13 23:30:27 1994

Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 16:30:27 -0500

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From: MOKCSD@DELPHI.COM



suscribe herb Bruce Evans



From clarkd@SFU.CA Mon Feb 14 09:04:34 1994

Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 23:04:34 -0800

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From: Susan Clark <clarkd@SFU.CA>

Subject: gingko biloba for Parksinsons/Alzheimer's??

In-Reply-To: <9402140537.AA05391@whistler.sfu.ca> from "John Robert Bidleman"

              at Feb 13, 94 07:44:38 pm



Hello,



Does anyone on this list have experience with using gingko biloba for

Alzheimer's or Parkinson's sufferers? I'd appreciate any information.

I've heard that gingko is selling very well in Europe for "cerebral

insufficiencies"



thanks for any help



Susan Clark

clarkd@sfu.ca



From robbee@CRL.COM Mon Feb 14 12:34:44 1994

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:34:44 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba for Parksinsons/Alzheimer's??

In-Reply-To: <199402140858.AA10105@crl.crl.com>



encyclopedia of natural

medicine/murray&pizzorno/prima.CA.USA/isbn=1-55958-091-7



From robbee@CRL.COM Mon Feb 14 12:40:04 1994

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:40:04 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba for Parksinsons/Alzheimer's??

In-Reply-To: <199402140858.AA10105@crl.crl.com>



There is a some research available that shows it is beneficial.

I don't have timne to look it up now....see the reference in a nother

message.



jrb



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Tue Feb 15 08:12:56 1994

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 22:12:56 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba for Parksinsons/Alzheimer's??



ginkgo can help with increasing circulation to the brain

good for students, the forgetful, the aging,...

I have seen it help reduce symptoms of forgetfulness and enhance mental clarity

whether or not it "treats" the Alz. or Parkinsons is  another question.

it helps the patients

Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Tue Feb 15 08:21:43 1994

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 22:21:43 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba for Parksinsons/Alzheimer's??



The following is from IBIS (c) 1994, AMR'TA



Ginkgo biloba:

* botanical name(s): Ginkgo biloba

* synonyms: ginkgo tree, maidenhair tree

* part(s) used: leaves and nut

* qualities: bitter, neutral; associated with Mercury

* affinities:

* actions:

> nut: expectorant, stops discharges

> leaves: relaxation of blood vessels, antioxidant, inhibits platelet

aggregation, increases peripheral and cerebral blood flow, cardiovascular

tonic, brain tonic

* dosage:

note: the clinical research on efficacy of Ginkgo all utilized extracts which

are standardized to 24% of the heteroside flavonoids. In order to get a

therapeutically effective concentration of flavonoids from an alcohol tincture

of Ginkgo, the equivalent dose of 1 oz. q.d. would contain tannins in

concentrations able to cause gastrointestinal distress.

> tincture: 1 - 4 ml.; see above note

> powder: 400 - 1600 mg

> capsules: 2 - 4 up to t.i.d.

* therapy:

> nut: wheezing and coughing with sputum, leukorrhea, urinary incontinence

> leaves: arterial insufficiency, ischemic heart disease, peripheral vascular

disease (it affects both arteries and veins); failing mental faculties;

tinnitus

* toxicity: 1; see tannin toxidrome

* constituents: lignans, flavonoids, mainly flavone glycosides; terpenes,

traces of essential oil, tannins, organic acids, carotenoids

* no contraindications, although a case was reported of an increase in

preexisting

 hypotension

* handling of the fresh fruit may cause contact dermatitis due to its phenolic

compounds (Baer, p. 165 (Kinghorn); Muenscher, p. 12)

* improperly prepared fruits or seeds may act as a nauseant, and damage the

liver and kidneys (Westbrooks and Preacher, p. 6; Altonen).



for more info on IBIS (Interactive BodyMind Information System)

contact amrtaoffice@igc.org  or cal 1-800-627-6851



there's a lot more where this came from

10,000 pages more!



From robbee@CRL.COM Wed Feb 16 07:11:53 1994

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:11:53 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba for Parksinsons/Alzheimer's??

In-Reply-To: <199402152327.AA22239@crl.crl.com>



Have we heard enough of IBIS?

I am interested but you are rapidly turning me off to it and I think

I am not alone in this feeling. People who want one will get one.



I still haven't gotten a response on where I coulf ftp a demo.



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Fri Feb 18 10:45:10 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 00:45:10 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba for Parksinsons/Alzheimer's??

In-Reply-To: <9402140915.AA00047@guest.apple.com>



The review article I saw, which I think was from an issue of British

Journal of Biopharmacology, listed ONLY research on geriatric cerebral

insufficiency. I think they indicated that there's been very little

formal research on anything else. Sigh.



On the "up" side, they did conclude that Ginkgo is just as effective

as Hydergine.



Cheers

jon



There may be another review, in the November 1992 _Lancet_ if I recall

correctly. Haven't seen it yet.



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Fri Feb 18 11:44:41 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 01:44:41 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba for Parksinsons/Alzheimer's??

In-Reply-To: <9402152109.AA00833@guest.apple.com>



I believe that Mitch Stargrove has hit the nail fairly and squarely on

Ginkgo: it helps the patients.



I can tell you from my own experience that it helps me too, and I'm

not geriatric, so the applications of the stuff are presumably rather

wider than the available research would seem to indicate. That is, it

seems to be good stuff for many people with "cerebral-insufficiency"-

type problems. (I think I mentioned that ADD/ADHD appears, more and

more as they look at it closer & closer, to be a cortical perfusion

insufficiency problem in many cases? No surprise that Ginkgo helps

me.)



Cheers!

jon



From robbee@CRL.COM Fri Feb 18 12:24:14 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 02:24:14 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba for Parksinsons/Alzheimer's??

In-Reply-To: <199402180854.AA27756@crl.crl.com>



Jon-



    Do you recall which form of Gingko was used (extract, tea, etc)

in  that study that compared it favorably with Hydergine?



Thanks



jrb



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Sat Feb 19 10:42:07 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 00:42:07 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba for Parksinsons/Alzheimer's??

In-Reply-To: <9402181047.AA21815@guest.apple.com>



John Robert Bidleman inquires which form of Ginkgo was used for the

studies I saw reviewed.



Apparently all of them used leaf extract, and I think most of them

used a well-known German product (well-known in Europe, anyway). I

_think_ (but am not sure) that this is Ginkgold, available from

Nature's Way here in the US. At least one study, however, had (if

memory serves) a dosage level of 180 mg/day and another was at 150;

neither of these levels is possible with Ginkgold. (It comes only in

40-mg tablets, so you can get to 160 or 200, but not to 150 or 180.)



Cheers!

jon



From EHERRING@UHUNIX.BITNET Mon Feb 14 10:56:25 1994

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:56:25 HST

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From: Eileen Herring <EHERRING@UHUNIX.BITNET>

Subject: best books



Aloha,



I would like to get the advice of the members of this list on the "best"

books on the following topics:



1)  herbal medicine in general



2)  Chinese medicine



3)  acupuncture (alittle outside the scope of this list, but...)



I work at a medical library and we are looking to upgrade our patient

education collection in these areas, so I am not looking for "reference" type

items unless they would be useful to a very uninformed layperson.  We

currently have both Penelope Ody's book and the Varro Tyler boo in our

patient education area.  Those of you with opinions can contact me directly

(eherring@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu) or reply to the list since I gather other

people will be interested in this information.  I am also gong to post a

request to the holistic list.  Apologies for the duplication for those of you

on both....



Mahalo,



Eileen Herring



From etk@PANIX.COM Sat Feb 19 18:51:44 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 11:51:44 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: best books

In-Reply-To: <199402191258.AA27031@panix.com> from "Eileen Herring" at Feb 14,

              94 10:56:25 am



I strongly recommend you consider purchasing books on Ayurveda

(Hindu/Indian medicine) too.



Among the best are those by Dr. Vasant Lad.  _The Yoga of Herbs_ is

outstanding.  A companion book is called _Ayurveda_, also by Lad.  And he

may have written more recently.



I've got two pretty thick volumnes on Chinese Herbal medicine called:

_Handbook of Chinese Herbs and Formulas_, Vol.I and Vol. II, by Him-che

Yeung, C.A. O.M.D. Ph.D., copyright 1983, Lib of Cong no.: TXu 151-173,

Institute of Chinese Medicine, 2154 Westwood Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90025.

(This may be an old address, considering the copyright.)



Ellen

--

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Sun Feb 20 04:44:02 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 18:44:02 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: best books



Good books on Chinese medicine, herbs, etc:

The Foundations of Chinese Medicien - Giovanni Maciocia

Between Heaven and Earth -

      Beinfeld and Kornblatt

Web with No Weaver - Kaptchuk



these are excellent, well-informaed and readable

Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From nyealib1@TRANSIT.NYSER.NET Tue Feb 22 15:56:39 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 08:56:39 -0500

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From: NYS Equalization and Assessment <nyealib1@TRANSIT.NYSER.NET>

Subject: Re: best books

In-Reply-To: <9402191312.AA15060@transit.nyser.net>



When I had a patient library I also used (besides the ones mentioned)

Readers Digest "Magic & Medicine of Plants" a very beautiful book with

historic and very general medicial uses ofsome of the common U.S. plants.

Also Rodale's Illustrated Encyclopedia of Herbs. caution not too good with

warnings of side effects.

M. Tierra. The Way of Herbs.

Patricia



From harper@HSUSEQ.HUMBOLDT.EDU Mon Feb 14 19:18:30 1994

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:18:30 -0800

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From: Patricia Harper <harper@HSUSEQ.HUMBOLDT.EDU>

Subject: Herbalife's Slim Up formula

In-Reply-To: <9402121941.AA08970@hsuseq.humboldt.edu> from "Darrell Felton" at

              Feb 11, 94 06:05:00 pm



> Anyway, she said ONE of the reasons she doesn't like or trust the Herbalife

> company is that their weight loss product(s) contain an herb ingredient "Ma-

> Huang(?)" or "Ephedra" (english).

> According to her, this herb depletes the Adrenal gland/ system over time - an

> "herbal speed."  One may loose weight but it's a very unhealthy and harmful

> way, in the long run, to do it.  She added that it's especially harmful to

> those with high blood pressure and to women with hormonal concerns.  If this



> Comments anyone?

>

> -Darrell Felton         DFELTON@EMUBUS          DFELTON@EMUBUS.BUS.EMORY.EDU

>



I evaluated the Herbalife "Slim Up" formula for a friend a few months ago.

The formula (this is from memory) contains: Ma Huang, While Willow, Ginseng,

Bladderwrack.  It might have also had Gingko and/or something else. It seems

to be formulated to increase energy and metabolism (Ma Huang), decrease pain

(White Willow), improve stamina (Ginseng) and create a "full" feeling

(bladderwrack).  The recommended dosage was something like 3-4 capsules

3 to 5 times a day.



I think that as "diet pills" go, this is a rather effective combination since

it should effectively reduce appetite (Ma Huang, Bladderwrack) and counter

acts unpleasant side-effects (White Willow, Ginseng). However, diet pills,

herbal or not, are dangerous!



The packaging and literature that come with the product include numerous

testamonials--several regarding the product's efficacy in treating headache.



**There were no warnings, whatsoever, regarding potential dangers.**



I found this omission unconscionable.  Not only would the long-term, high

dose regime recommended cause the adrenal damage noted above, but Ma Huang

is specifically contraindicated by high blood pressre. Also, a warning

should be provided for people already taking ephedrine type drugs that

they could easily overdose.  A warning to people who cannot take aspirin

drugs should be included because of the White Willow, as well as a warning

to people on blood thinners or those planning surgery.



In summary, for the type of product (diet pill), which is, in any case, of

debatable value, the formula is likely to be effective.  It is not, in my

opinion, safe.  The specific risks are not noted anywhere in the packaging

annd this omission makes the product potentially dangerous.



I think Herbalife is "one of those companies" that give herbalists a bad

name.



Patricia

harper@hsuseq.humboldt.edu



From LCMERONE@PCAD-ML.ACTX.EDU Tue Feb 15 17:16:30 1994

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 15:16:30 GMT-6

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From: "Lloyd C. Meroney" <LCMERONE@PCAD-ML.ACTX.EDU>

Organization: Amarillo College PCAD-ML

Subject: Re: Herbalife's Slim Up formula



Several attempts to contact Patricia Harper have been unsuccessful.



Patricia, want to thank you for your e-mail on Herbalife!



Lloyd Meroney, Assistant Professor, Special Services Counselor,

Amarillo College, P. O. Box 447, Amarillo, Texas, 79178,

Voice (806) 371-5438, FAX (806) 371-5470



From SOSCHACH@ECUVM1.BITNET Tue Feb 15 22:41:19 1994

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 15:41:19 EST

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From: kristi <SOSCHACH@ECUVM1.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Herbalife's Slim Up formula

In-Reply-To: Message of Mon,

              14 Feb 1994 09:18:30 -0800 from <harper@HSUSEQ.HUMBOLDT.EDU>



>ephedra

I have been taking a product that has mau haung in it for

quite a while. I have a condition that this assists (not a diet).

1)I am interested in what you said about adrenal function? where can I

read about this??

2) I am not sure you are not confusing ephedra hcl a very concentrated

and dangerous form of ephedra with the mau haung (plant ephedra).

There is an extensive article in this past months Muscle and Fitness

on that subject. They said the hcl was dangerous, but as long as it

was done in moderation the plant ephedra was not (check w/Dr. first)



Because I take this for a variety of conditions I would

appreciate it if you could point me towards some references I would

appreciate it...             Kristi



Kristine E Schachinger, Graduate student

East Carolina University

Sociology

  Greenville, NC 27858 (919) 757-6883

Bitnet: SOSCHACH@ECUVM1   Internet: SOSCHACH@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU

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Date:         Tue, 15 Feb 1994 15:56:14 EST

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Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Conrad Richter <71550.3411@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Richters Herb Catalogue by Email



It has been mentioned several times in this newsgroup that the Richters

herb catalogue (100 pages, colour, 700+ herbs) can be ordered by email.

Please note that the email address that was given in the past is no longer

functioning.



All catalogue requests and queries about herbs should be directed to:



    71550.3411@compuserve.com



This is Richters' email address effective immediately.



Thank you.



Conrad Richter

Richters

Goodwood, ON

L0C 1A0 Canada



From BINNIE@DUQ3.CC.DUQ.EDU Wed Feb 16 16:07:53 1994

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 09:07:53 -0500

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From: Roberta Stapp <BINNIE@DUQ3.CC.DUQ.EDU>

Subject: Re: Herbalife's Slim Up formula



I had tried numerous times to lose weight.  Never succeeding.  I wasn't very

overweight.....maybe 15 pounds.  Anyway, at my last physical my doctor told

me my colesterol was 260 and I would have to get it down.  I started watching

my fat and colesterol intake (just read the back of packages), watched the

meat intake (no lunchmeat except turkey breast) and overall bought fat free

products (or little fat products).  Well suprisingly, I lost 10 pounds in the

first 3 weeks, am down 15 pounds now, and have not gained any back.  That began

in October of 93.



Oh the fun of wearing a size 10 again.  And to think of all the money and

time and suffering I did to try to lose with no success.



I take vitamins, ginsana, garlic and all those good things and feel so much

better.



Roberta Stapp



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Tue Feb 15 08:26:28 1994

Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 22:26:28 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: heard about IBIS?



Dear Linda:

have you heard about IBIS?

IBIS is the Interactive BodyMind Information System*RTg,

a large (15mb) software reference tool for healthcare professionals

IBIS has clinical info on herbs, nutrition, homeopathy and much more

you can learn more from amrtaoffice@igc.org  or by calling 1-800-627-6851



it's great for reference or for clinical practice



Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From robbee@CRL.COM Tue Feb 15 14:54:19 1994

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 04:54:19 -0800

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: rosaphil to move inet address as of march 1st

In-Reply-To: <199402150914.AA23613@crl.crl.com>



You want to direct your commands to listserv



From RAMSEY@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU Wed Feb 16 01:04:00 1994

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From: RAMSEY@USDCSV.ACUSD.EDU



SUB LIST Marilyn Ramsey



From howieb1991@AOL.COM Wed Feb 16 03:03:34 1994

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 20:03:34 EST

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From: Howie Brounstein <howieb1991@AOL.COM>

Subject: Ma Huang



Ma Huang, Ephedra, is a central nervous system stimulant

and bronchial dilator. Its main constituent is pseudoephedrine and I have

seen it used like a "pseudofed"  for temporary relief of head cold  and

allergy

symptoms. It works well for mosquito bites, also. (allergic reaction).

Everyone I know who has used it as a "speed" has burnt out on it quickly. I

would never take it on a daily basis for an extended period except during hay

fever season. All CNS stimulants should be used with caution.



Howie Brounstein



From howieb1991@AOL.COM Mon Feb 21 22:47:07 1994

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:47:07 EST

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From: Howie Brounstein <howieb1991@AOL.COM>

Subject: Ma Huang



Ma Huang, Ephedra, is a central nervous system stimulant

and bronchial dilator. Its main constituent is pseudoephedrine and I have

seen it used like a "pseudofed"  for temporary relief of head cold  and

allergy

symptoms. It works well for mosquito bites, also. (allergic reaction).

Everyone I know who has used it as a "speed" has burnt out on it quickly. I

would never take it on a daily basis for an extended period except during hay

fever season. All CNS stimulants should be used with caution.



Howie Brounstein



From robbee@CRL.COM Tue Feb 22 07:05:58 1994

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 21:05:58 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Ma Huang

In-Reply-To: <199402212058.AA08450@crl.crl.com>



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On Mon, 21 Feb 1994, Howie Brounstein wrote:



> Ma Huang, Ephedra, is a central nervous system stimulant

> and bronchial dilator. Its main constituent is pseudoephedrine and I have



Actually the main constituent is Ephedrine in an alkaloid form.



From howieb1991@AOL.COM Tue Feb 22 21:53:44 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 14:53:44 EST

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From: Howie Brounstein <howieb1991@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Ma Huang



John,



My mistake, Ephedrine is the main constituent of Ma Huang, although I believe

there is some pseudoephedrine

is Morman Tea, or the American Native.



Thanks for the correction

Howie



From robbee@CRL.COM Wed Feb 23 13:57:33 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 03:57:33 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Ma Huang

In-Reply-To: <199402230934.AA01545@crl.crl.com>



No howie...there is NO pseudoephedrine in any herb. Pseudo means false

or counterfeit. It is the chemical image of ephedrine but not naturally

found in any plant.



             ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

             :           robbee@crl.com             :

             : Robert   Box 721 Healdsburg CA 95448 :

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On Tue, 22 Feb 1994, Howie Brounstein wrote:



> John,

>

> My mistake, Ephedrine is the main constituent of Ma Huang, although I believe

> there is some pseudoephedrine

> is Morman Tea, or the American Native.

>

> Thanks for the correction

> Howie

>



From pwg@TENET.EDU Wed Feb 16 03:55:44 1994

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:55:44 -0600

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From: Paul Woodson Gates <pwg@TENET.EDU>

Subject: Re: Richters Herb Catalogue by Email

In-Reply-To: <199402152207.AA11653@formby.tenet.edu>



Conrad-

Yes, I'd like a catalog. What a neat idea.

-Paul Gates

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*  Paul Woodson Gates  SAISD                *

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On Tue, 15 Feb 1994, Conrad Richter wrote:



> It has been mentioned several times in this newsgroup that the Richters

> herb catalogue (100 pages, colour, 700+ herbs) can be ordered by email.

> Please note that the email address that was given in the past is no longer

> functioning.

>

> All catalogue requests and queries about herbs should be directed to:

>

>     71550.3411@compuserve.com

>

> This is Richters' email address effective immediately.

>

> Thank you.

>

>

> Conrad Richter

> Richters

> Goodwood, ON

> L0C 1A0 Canada

=========================================================================

Date:         Tue, 15 Feb 1994 20:48:41 -0800

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: rosaphil to move inet address as of march 1st

In-Reply-To:  <199402152209.AA11758@crl.crl.com>



I don't think that it is possible...the mail is roiuted from the header.



?



jrb



From @ Wed Feb 16 15:23:20 1994

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 08:23:20 EST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: "Roger G. Reiser (CSC Unix Support WPAFB 513-255-2094)"

              <reiser@ASDS1.ASDS.WPAFB.AF.MIL>

Subject: Re: Richters Herb Catalogue by Email

In-Reply-To: <9402152238.AA21020@asds1.asds.wpafb.af.mil>; from "Conrad

              Richter" at Feb 15, 94 3:56 pm



>>

>>All catalogue requests and queries about herbs should be directed to:

>>

>>    71550.3411@compuserve.com

>>

>>This is Richters' email address effective immediately.

>>

###############################################################

Please send me a catalog.  My snailmail address is:

        Roger Reiser

        3456 Stokey Court

        Columbus, Ohio 43230-1638



Thanks.

-Roger-

reiser@asds1.asds.wpafb.af.mil



From WAINMANL@ONRSVI.AGR.CA Wed Feb 16 14:58:40 1994

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 07:58:40 -0500

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Lana Wainman <WAINMANL@ONRSVI.AGR.CA>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba for Parkinsons/Alzheimer



>Have we heard enough of IBIS?

>I am interested but you are rapidly turning me off to it and I think

>I am not alone in this feeling. People who want one will get one.



1. Speak for yourself.



2. Learn where your delete key is.



3. The person who posted the IBIS is only sharing info.



Much of what I receive on the net does not pertain to me/am not partic-

ularly interest for one reason or another.  There is no need to be rude.



LIW



From robbee@CRL.COM Thu Feb 17 07:07:51 1994

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 21:07:51 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba for Parkinsons/Alzheimer

In-Reply-To: <199402161407.AA18521@crl.crl.com>



On Wed, 16 Feb 1994, Lana Wainman wrote:



> >Have we heard enough of IBIS?

> >I am interested but you are rapidly turning me off to it and I think

> >I am not alone in this feeling. People who want one will get one.

>

> 1. Speak for yourself.    That is exactly what I did.



> 2. Learn where your delete key is. My modem will not accept the del char.

>

> 3. The person who posted the IBIS is only sharing info. Granted...where

have you been the last 5-6 times he shared it?



> Much of what I receive on the net does not pertain to me/am not partic-

> ularly interest for one reason or another.  There is no need to be rude.



Your interpretation of "rudeness" is not the paradigm. I think we should

all be tolerant of others, however I (while being interested in IBIS)

don't particularly need to hear the same thing over and over. I in no way

meant to be rude...I just forgot the obligatory:  :)



> LIW

>

 Thanks for your concern



From harper@HSUSEQ.HUMBOLDT.EDU Wed Feb 16 19:54:23 1994

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 09:54:23 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Patricia Harper <harper@HSUSEQ.HUMBOLDT.EDU>

Subject: Ma Huang & adrenals (was Herbalife)

In-Reply-To: <9402152237.AA04029@hsuseq.humboldt.edu> from "kristi" at Feb 15,

              94 03:41:19 pm



>

> >ephedra

> I have been taking a product that has mau haung in it for

> quite a while. I have a condition that this assists (not a diet).

> 1)I am interested in what you said about adrenal function? where can I

> read about this??

>... They said the hcl was dangerous, but as long as it

> was done in moderation the plant ephedra was not (check w/Dr. first)

>

> Because I take this for a variety of conditions I would

> appreciate it if you could point me towards some references I would

> appreciate it...             Kristi

>

B

>



Hi, Kristi.  Michael Tierra in _The Way of Herbs_ mentions the adrenal

depletion, but my primary source for clinical contraindications was

verbal training during my apprenticeship. A search for ephedrine and

psuedoepinephrine in medical literature will probably yield you some

scientific sources.



Ephedra/Ma Huang is not dangerous when used, as your article cited,

in moderation, except for individuals with high blood pressure or

heart problems.  If you have these conditions, choose another product.



Ephedra is one of the truly, and noticeably, effective herbal remedies.

It is a very common ingredient in asthma and decongestant formulas, both

herbal and standard OTC medicines. Because it is so common in cold

formulas, an unwary consumer can easily take too much.



For example, to test the Slim Up product,I took two of the capsules.

I experienced a brightening effect mentally and visually, nervousness--

could not keep my foot from tapping, talkativeness, heart palpitations,

dryness of the mouth and nose, a slight euphoria with an irritable

edge. I took them in the morning; evening use would definately cause

insomnia--hence, you often find ephedra (MaHuang) in those little herb

packets sold in gas stations for "alertness." These effects were

considerably more pronounced than I have experienced with the use of

American ephedra species in useful doses.



Unless you find that you need more and more of your products to achieve

beneficial effects, or unless you experience speed-like effects, you

are probably taking a reasonable dose and need not be overly concerned

about adrenal "burnout." On the other hand, if you are taking Ma Huang

daily, or in high doses because you enjoy those effects, at least give

your body some time-off to recover periodically. (Skip coffee and other

stimulants also, when you're giving your adrenal system a break!)



Patricia

harper@hsuseq.humboldt.edu



From robbee@CRL.COM Thu Feb 17 07:30:59 1994

Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 21:30:59 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Ma Huang & adrenals (was Herbalife)

In-Reply-To: <199402161951.AA15883@crl.crl.com>



On Wed, 16 Feb 1994, Patricia Harper wrote:



> For example, to test the Slim Up product,I took two of the capsules.

> I experienced a brightening effect mentally and visually, nervousness--

> could not keep my foot from tapping, talkativeness, heart palpitations,

> dryness of the mouth and nose, a slight euphoria with an irritable

> edge. I took them in the morning; evening use would definately cause

> insomnia--hence, you often find ephedra (MaHuang) in those little herb

> packets sold in gas stations for "alertness." These effects were

> considerably more pronounced than I have experienced with the use of

> American ephedra species in useful doses.

>



To my knowledge the American (Ephedra spp.) has really never been used in

a highly concentrated form as in the packets you describe above. If you

use Ma Huang and compare it at all to Eph. spp. it would be a good idea

to use the same form. I agree Ma Huang is more potent in its content of

ephedrine. I also believe that this has been slanted and exaggerated.

   The Chinese are famous for their processing of herbs...Fo-Ti is boiled

in black beans to give it a darker color. Astragalus is also treated by

boiling. Just recently I sampled a Chinese product "Jin Bu Huan" the active

ingredient being Polygala Chinensis. I have used this herb and it is

somewhat useful so I thought it would be interesting to compare it. I

took one of the tiny (nitro size) tablets (sig calls for 1-3) an hour

after a large meal. I was very much "sedated", far beyond what I have ever

experienced with Polygala C. in herb form (even a concentrated tea).

   My point here is that there is a distinct difference in labelling when

something has been rendered out of its natural matrix. Those packets

would probably be more truthfully labelled ephedrine instead of Ma Huang.

The Polygala tablets are also a misnomer.

   I have both Ma Huang and Desert Tea on my shelf, both as fresh as the

season will allow and I do not (honestly) assess that much difference in

them, if prepared in similar ways.



jrb



From SYSADM3@TREARN.BITNET Thu Feb 17 14:24:19 1994

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 14:24:19 LCL

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Ozgur BALSOY <SYSADM3@TREARN.BITNET>

Subject: LISTSERV Logs in Ege Gopher Menus



Hi all,



Ege University Gopher Service now includes LISTSERV discussion lists'

logs at TREARN(vm3090.ege.edu.tr). You can reach them via your gopher

clients as follows:



gopher gopher.ege.edu.tr

choose the menu item 'Ege University Entry',

then choose the menu 'LISTSERV Logs at TREARN'.



Type=1

Name=LISTSERV Logs at TREARN

Path=1/ege/listsrv

Host=gopher.ege.edu.tr

Port=70



Not: Selector string format is as follows:

     Menu:    1/ege/listsrv/LISTNAME

     Article: 0/ege/listsrv/LISTNAME/LOGxxxLyyy

     where

     xxx:     Record number of the first line of article in the log file

     yyy:     Number of lines in the article.



Here are the lists. This mail has been sent to each list,

so you may have multiple copies of this mail. Sorry for this. :-)



  AMIGA-TR 'Turk Amiga'cilar listesi...'

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From Christel=Reeve%SQA%Banyan@MAGNOLIA.BANYAN.COM Thu Feb 17 14:28:05 1994

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 07:28:05 EST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Christel Reeve <Christel=Reeve%SQA%Banyan@MAGNOLIA.BANYAN.COM>

Subject: Richter;'s catalog



Folks, if you want a Richter's catalog, send a request to *Richter's*!

Sending to the herb list won't get you a catalog.



By the way, the cost of the catalog is $2, $4 for those outside of

North America.  They will allow you to pay after the catalog has been

received.



Chris

creeve@banyan.com



From emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 17 15:40:54 1994

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 08:40:54 EST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Ellee Margileth <emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>

Subject: Re: Richter;'s catalog



I strongly suggest ordering this catalog.  Not only does it have an extensive

listing of herbs and books, but the information on many these herbs is very

interesting.  I read it "as a book" last weekend - from front to back.  I also

think their prices are very reasonable.



Get one!  I personally think it is great!



From emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 17 16:00:12 1994

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 09:00:12 EST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Ellee Margileth <emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>

Subject: Richter's Catalogue



I strongly suggest ordering this catalog.  Not only does it have an extensive

listing of herbs and books, but the information on many these herbs is *very*

interesting.  I read it "as a book" last weekend - from front to back.  I also

think their prices are very reasonable.



Get one!  I personally think it is great!



Ellee Corbin Margileth          *       211 Hoskins Library

Research Services               *       Knoxville, TN  37996-4020

The University of Tenness       *       Phone:  (615) 974-2908

emargile@solar.rtd.utk.edu      *       FAX:    (615) 974-6508



From J.FREEMAN@QUT.EDU.AU Sat Feb 19 14:26:51 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 12:26:51 GMT+1000

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: jackie <J.FREEMAN@QUT.EDU.AU>

Organization: QUT Library

Subject: Re: Richter's Catalogue



> I strongly suggest ordering this catalog.  Not only does it have an extensive

> listing of herbs and books, but the information on many these herbs is *very*

> interesting.  I read it "as a book" last weekend - from front to back.  I also



> think their prices are very reasonable.

>

> Get one!  I personally think it is great!



Hi y'all,



I'm an acupuncture/natural medicine student from Australia. I'd be

really interested in writing to "whoever" get a copy of this

Richter's catalogue.



Could some kind soul please send the address or fax no. of the

distributers.



From VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU Mon Feb 21 05:02:49 1994

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 22:02:49 EST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Vance Reese <VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Re: Richter's Catalogue



'lo, mate!



(I'm from the Southern U.S., so I respond to "Hi Y'all".)

You wanted the address for Richter's, I believe.

>From my 1994 catalogue, hyere tis:



Goodwood, Ontario, Canada LOC 1AO

Telephone: (905) 640-6677

FAX: (905) 640-6641



(In case this message is garbled, I'll be glad to type it again.)

Good luck.



From hildebra@UMUC.UMD.EDU Thu Feb 17 19:26:28 1994

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 12:26:28 EST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: JoAnne Hildebrand <hildebra@UMUC.UMD.EDU>

Subject: Naturopathic physician training



In his comments about dong quai and menopause, Mitch Stargrove suggested

professional care by a naturopathic physician (ND). When I was a child my father



took me to an ND from time to time (no stress, no fear, no tears). I'm wondering



where does one go to receive training to become an ND? Those of you who are

ND's, where did you study? Please send details. Thanks!  -- JoAnne



From radavis@UCDAVIS.EDU Fri Feb 18 03:20:13 1994

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 17:20:13 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Rebecca Davis <radavis@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject: Re: Naturopathic physician training

In-Reply-To: <9402171736.AA14210@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu>



I don't know how complete this list is, but the following Naturopathic

Medicine programs are listed in Peterson's Graduate Programs in Business,

Education, Health & Law, 1994.



1. Bastyr College - 144 Northeast 54th St., Seattle, WA 98105. Offers the

ND, MS, Certificate & ND/MS. Programs offered include acupuncture and

oriental medicine (MS); midwifery (Certificate); naturopathic medicine

(ND); nutrition (MS). Tel: 206-523-9585.



2. National College of Naturopathic Medicine - Portland, OR 97216. Offers

the ND only. Tel: 503-255-4860.



3. Pacific College of Oriental Medicine - 702 West Washington St., San

Diego CA 92103. Offers a Masters in Traditional Oriental Medicine (MTOM).

Tel: 619-574-6909.



Hope this helps. Rebecca



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Fri Feb 18 08:44:00 1994

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 22:44:00 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: Naturopathic physician training



In the USA you can get an ND degree at:

The National College of Naturopathic Medicine, Portland, OR 503-255-4860

Bastyr College of Natural Life Sciences, Seattle, WA

Southwest College of Natural Health Sciences, Arizona



for more info contact the AANP (American Assoc of Naturopathic Physicians)

at 206-323-7610

2366 Eastlake Avenue East, Ste 322

Seattle, WA 98102



It's a very good career. You can help lots of people and enjoy doing it.

Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From ISENHOUR@FNLIB.BITNET Fri Feb 18 01:00:00 1994

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 17:00:00 CST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Isenhour <ISENHOUR@FNLIB.BITNET>

Subject: books on medical herbs (long)



Here's a list of available books on medicinal herbery, some with publisher

provided reviews.



Copies ok for no charge with copyright intact

Copyright (c) 1987 - 1991 R. R. BOWKER, All rights reserved.



Nuzzi, Debra. Herbal Preparations & Natural Therapies: Creating &

     Using a Home Herbal Medicine Chest. (Illus.). 140p. (Orig.).

     08/1989. Paper. $95.00 lab manual. (ISBN 0-9623812-0-9).

     Morningstar Publications.



McIntyre, Anne. Herbs for Common Ailments. (Illus.). 96p. (Orig.).

     03/1992. Paper. $12.00. (ISBN 0-671-74632-4, Fireside). Simon

     & Schuster Trade.



Spoerke, David G. Herbal Medications. LC 90-34214. 1992. Paper.

     $9.95. (ISBN 0-88007-181-8). Woodbridge Press Publishing

     Company.



Brown, O. Phelps. Complete Herbalist: The People Their Own

     Physicians. 504p. 1992. Paper. $35.00. (ISBN 0-89540-118-5,

     SB-118). Sun Publishing Company.



Katz, Michael J. The Herbalist. 288p. (Orig.). 02/1992. Library

     binding - adult. $49.50. (ISBN 0-8191-8552-3); Paper. $24.50.

     (ISBN 0-8191-8553-1). University Press of America.



Culpeper, Nicholas. Culpeper's Color Herbal. LC 91-39271. 224p.

     03/1992. Paper. $16.95. (ISBN 0-8069-8568-2). Sterling

     Publishing Company, Incorporated.



Elliot, Rose & De Paoli, Carlo. Kitchen Pharmacy: A Book of

     Healing Remedies for Everyone. LC 92-20651. 04/1993. Paper.

     $12.00. (ISBN 0-688-12111-X, Quill). Morrow, William, &

     Company, Incorporated.



Al-Akili, Muhammad. Natural Healing with Tibb Medicine: Medicine

     of the Prophet. 320p. (Orig.). 04/1993. Paper. $16.95. (ISBN

     1-879405-07-5). Pearl Publishing House.



Brother Aloysius. Comfort to the Sick. LC 82-60161. 448p. 04/1992.

     Paper. $19.95. (ISBN 0-87728-525-X). Weiser, Samuel,

     Incorporated.



Weed, Susun S. Menopausal Years: The Wise Woman Way. McGehee,

     Martha, illustrator. Intro. by De Bairachi-Levy, Juliette.

     (Wise Woman Healing Ser.: No. 3). (Illus.). 228p. (Orig.).

     09/1992. Paper. $9.95. (ISBN 0-9614620-4-3). Ash Tree.



Nuzzi, Debra. Pocket Herbal Reference Guide. 144p. (Orig.).

     10/1992. Paper. $5.95. (ISBN 0-89594-568-1). Crossing Press,

     The.



Keys, John. Chinese Herbs: Their Botany, Chemistry &

     Pharmacodynamics. 346p. 04/1991. $24.95 o.p. (ISBN

     0-8048-1179-2); Paper. $14.95. (ISBN 0-8048-1667-0). Tuttle,

     Charles E., Company, Incorporated.



This book for botanists, chemists, & holistic health practitioners

     is an illustrated encyclopedia of herbs--more than 250 of

     them--whose medicinal value has been recognized for centuries

     by the Chinese. Much of the material presented is the result

     of translation of definitive Chinese works on the subject. In

     the book the author lists the botanical & pharmacological

     data for each herb; the drugs of mineral & animal origin used

     in Chinese medicine; a table of poisonous herbs; & a section

     of prescriptions for some 150 human ills or ailments. Each

     entry includes the herb's Latin name, its English name, a

     line drawing, & a botanical description. In the book there

     are herbal remedies for everything from anemia to asthma,

     tetanus to toothaches. (Publisher supplied)



Boyle, Wade. Official Herbs: Botanical Substances in the United

     States Pharmacopoeias: 1820-1990. Frwd. by Bergner, Paul.

     (Illus.). 97p. (Orig.). 12/1991. Paper. $12.95. (ISBN

     0-9623518-3-0). Buckeye Naturopathic Press.



Schechter, Steven R. Fighting Radiation & Chemical Pollutants with

     Foods, Herbs & Vitamins: Documented Natural Remedies That

     Boost Your Immunity & Detoxify. Valiton, Patricia, editor.

     Intro. by Shealy, C. Norman. Pref. by Schechter, S. (Illus.).

     320p. (Orig.). 11/1991. Repr. of 1988 ed. Hardcover text

     edition. $19.95. (ISBN 1-878412-05-1); Paper. $9.95. (ISBN

     1-878412-04-3). Vitality, Incorporated.



FIGHTING RADIATION & CHEMICAL POLLUTANTS WITH FOODS, HERBS &

     VITAMINS - DOCUMENTED NATURAL REMEDIES THAT BOOST YOUR

     IMMUNITY & DETOXIFY is already listed nationally as a

     best-seller in the catalogs of the largest distributors of

     health & self-help books. This book empowers you with safe &

     effective programs for self-help. You will find "easy to read

     & use" information about natural remedies documented to:

     *Boost Immunity, *Detoxify from Chemical Pollutants,

     Radiation, X-Rays, Tobacco, Drugs & Alcohol, *Generate

     Maximum Vitality, Health & Longevity, *Prevent or Treat

     Diseases. In chapters 8 & 9, Dr. Schechter integrates the

     above information into practical & optimal prevention &

     treatment programs. Chapters 2-7 contain information about

     boosting immunity & counteracting specific toxins. He has

     developed several original charts, such as in chapter 2 for

     chemical pollutants & drugs, chapter 8 for supplement

     dosages,  & Appendix I for optimal nutrient combining &

     common depleting factors. This book contains over 600 primary

     references to scientific studies--which enhance its

     credibility & reliability. Tasty recipes, a resource section,

     & other useful appendices are also included. The conclusion

     encompasses, yet goes beyond, self-help treatment of

     individual health problems. The conclusion offers holistic

     suggestions for gentle ways to bring about changes in

     societal attitudes & processes which have perpetrated the

     pollution of our macro-immune system: our environment. You

     can order this book direct from the publisher: Vitality, Ink,

     P.O. Box 294, Encinitas, CA 92024, 800-473-VITL (8485); or,

     through distributors of health books such as Nutri-Books

     800-525-9030, New Leaf 800-326-2665, or Atrium 800-275-2606.

     (Publisher supplied)



Vogel, A. Book of Fourteen Amazing Herbal Medicines. (The Swiss

     Nature Doctor Ser.). 24p. 1990. Paper. $2.95. (ISBN

     0-87983-527-3). Keats Publishing, Incorporated.



Martin, Corinne. Earthmagic: Using New England Medicinal Herbs.

     Francis, Ed, editor. Dovner, Sylvia, editor. (Illus.). 250p.

     (Orig.). 04/1990. Paper. $12.95. (ISBN 0-9623199-1-0). Dirigo

     Books, Incorporated.



Holmes, Peter. The Energetics of Western Herbs, Vol. 2:

     Integrating Western & Oriental Herbal Medicine Traditions.

     Thornley, Hazel, illustrator. Masters, Daemian, illustrator.

     Frwd. by Fulder, Stephen. Kaptchuk, Ted. Barolet, Randy.

     (Illus.). 416p. (Orig.). 01/1990. Paper. $45.00. (ISBN

     0-9623477-7-9). NatTrop Publishing.



Naeser, Margaret A. Outline Guide to Chinese Herbal Patent

     Medicines in Pill Form - with Sample Pictures of the Boxes:

     An Introduction to Chinese Herbal Medicines. 2nd ed.  LC

     90-80264. (Illus.). 370p. (Orig.). 03/1990. Paper. $24.95.

     (ISBN 0-9625651-1-3). Boston Chinese Medicine.



This book, designed for lay persons & health practitioners,

     presents modern & historical use of Chinese Herbal Medicines

     (Patent Medicines in pill form) for a variety of medical

     conditions & disorders. These include common cold, coughs,

     asthma, sports injuries, burns, skin disorders, digestive

     problems, chronic urinary problems, menstrual disorders,

     menopause, fatigue, insomnia, agitation, nervousness, etc.

     Many of these Patent Medicines have been in continuous use

     for over 1,000 years. Today, they are widely available

     over-the-counter in grocery stores & herb stores in

     Chinatowns in the U. S.; they are popular because they are

     inexpensive & usually have no side effects. They are not

     meant to replace medical advice. This book is organized so

     that the reader can easily take it to the  herb store or

     Chinese grocery store, point to the appropriate picture, &

     readily locate the appropriate Patent Medicine box. Sample

     pictures of the boxes are presented, including both the

     English side & the Chinese side of the box. Over 175 Patent

     Medicines are presented. The book presumes no previous

     knowledge of Chinese Medicine & is designed to acquaint the

     reader with general uses of the Chinese herbs in pill form.

     Includes a complete modern medical index. (Publisher

     supplied)



Weiner, Michael. Weiners Herbal. 2nd, rev. ed.  (Illus.). 276p.

     10/1990. Repr. of 1980 ed. Paper. $17.95. (ISBN

     0-912845-03-1). Quantum Books.



The first herbal that goes beyond folklore & incorporates the

     findings of modern science for over 200 of the world's most

     frequently used herbs. Unique Feature: Sixteen page keyed

     therapeutic index. Easy to find what herb is used for

     specific ailments or diseases. Lavishly illustrated with

     botanically accurate 19th C. medicinal plant drawings.

     Michael Weiner, Ph.D. best-selling author of the classic

     Earth Medicine: Earth Foods & Maximum Immunity. Janet Weiner,

     herbalist & herb industry consultant combine their resources

     to make this book the best in its class. (Publisher supplied)



Crellin, John K. & Philpott, Jane. Herbal Medicine Past & Present,

     Vol. 2: A Reference Guide to Medicinal Plants. LC 88-30906.

     560p. (Orig.). 1989. Library binding - adult. $59.50. (ISBN

     0-8223-0879-7); Paperback text edition. $19.95. (ISBN

     0-8223-1019-8). Duke University Press.



Weiss, Rudolf F. Herbal Medicine. Meuss, A. R., translator. (tr.

     from GER). (Illus.). 362p. 1988. Paper. $49.00. (ISBN

     0-906584-19-1, Beaconsfield Pub). Medicina Biologica.



Pi-Kwang Tsung & Hong-Yen Hsu. Allergies & Chinese Herbal

     Medicine. (Educational Series on Chinese Medicine: No. 3).

     40p. (Orig.). 08/1987. Paperback text edition. $5.95. (ISBN

     0-941942-26-0). Oriental Healing Arts Institute.



Reid, Daniel P. Chinese Herbal Medicine. reissue ed.  LC 86-17814.

     (Illus.). 180p. 02/1987. Repr. of 1986 ed. Paper. $20.00.

     (ISBN 0-87773-398-8). Shambhala Publications, Incorporated.



Shaffer, Willa. Midwifery & Herbs. 1987. Paper. $2.95. (ISBN

     0-913923-19-2). Woodland Health Books.



Berk, William. Chinese Healing Arts: Internal Kung Fu. Berk,

     William R., editor. Dudgeon, John, translator. LC 86-50612.

     209p. (Orig.). 05/1986. Repr. of 1979 ed. Paper. $9.95. (ISBN

     0-86568-083-3, 222). Unique Publications.



Miller, Jonathon D. Jonathon's Herbal: A Guide to Herbs for

     Health. rev. ed.  12/1986. Paper. $2.50. (ISBN

     0-935815-02-3). Lifecircle Wellness Publications.



Weed, Susun S. Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year. Novet,

     Janice, illustrator. Pref. by Baker, Jeannine P. LC 85-71064.

     (Wise Woman Herbals Ser.: No. 1). (Illus.). 196p. (Orig.).

     1986. $12.95. (ISBN 0-9614620-1-9); Paper. $8.95. (ISBN

     0-9614620-0-0). Ash Tree.



Tisserand, Maggie. Aromatherapy for Women: Beautifying & Healing

     Essences from Flowers & Herbs. LC 85-2617. 128p. (Orig.).

     05/1985. Paper. $6.95. (ISBN 0-89281-244-3, Healing Arts

     Press). Inner Traditions International, Limited.



Beyerl, Paul. The Master Book of Herbalism. Greene, Diana,

     illustrator. (Illus.). 425p. 12/1984. Paper. $14.95. (ISBN

     0-919345-53-0). Phoenix Publishing, Incorporated.



Meyer, Joseph E. The Old Herb Doctor. 2nd, rev. ed.  Meyer,

     Clarence, illustrator. (Illus.). 176p. 03/1984. Paper. $8.95.

     (ISBN 0-916638-08-1). Meyerbooks.



Lust, Benedict. About Herbs: Nature's Medicine. 1983. Paper.

     $2.95. (ISBN 0-87904-045-9). Lust, Benedict, Publications.



Blate, Michael. The G-Jo Institute Manual of Medicinal Herbs. (The

     G-Jo Institute Self-Health Ser.). (Illus.). 96p. (Orig.).

     02/1983. Paper. $10.95. (ISBN 0-916878-19-8). G-Jo

     Institute/Falkynor Books.



Torres, Eliseo. Green Medicine: Traditional Mexican American

     Herbal Remedies. Magruder, Clark, illustrator. (Illus.). 64p.

     (Orig.). 09/1983. Paper. $4.95. (ISBN 0-9612008-0-4). Nieves

     Press.

Culpeper, Nicholas. Culpeper's Herbal Remedies. 1980. Paper.

     $5.00. (ISBN 0-87980-025-9). Wilshire Book Company.



Bethel, May. Healing Power of Herbs. 1980. Paper. $5.00. (ISBN

     0-87980-047-X). Wilshire Book Company.



Challem, Jack & Lewin-Challem, Renate. What Herbs Are All About.

     LC 80-82913. 150p. (Orig.). 11/1980. Paper. $2.95. (ISBN

     0-87983-204-5). Keats Publishing, Incorporated.



Doole, Louise E. Herbs for Health: How to Grow & Use Them. 1979.

     Paper. $5.00. (ISBN 0-87980-052-6). Wilshire Book Company.



Griffin, LaDean. Please Dr., I'd Rather Do It Myself with Herbs.

     04/1979. Paper. $4.95. (ISBN 0-89036-058-8). Hawkes

     Publishing Incorporated.



Griffin, LaDean. The Return to Herbal Medicine. 06/1979. Paper.

     $6.95. (ISBN 0-89036-073-1). Hawkes Publishing Incorporated.



Lust, John B. The Herb Book. Pereida, Ralph, illustrator. LC

     74-75368. (Illus.). 640p. 05/15/1974. $19.95. (ISBN

     0-87904-007-6); Paper. $5.95. (ISBN 0-685-57752-X). Lust,

     Benedict, Publications.



Rose, Jeanne. Herbs & Things: Jeanne Rose's Herbal. Moore, Michael

     S., illustrator. (Illus.). 05/1972. $9.95. (ISBN

     0-399-50944-5, Perigee Bks). Putnam Publishing Group, The.



Malstrom, Stan. Herbal Remedies for Common Diseases. (Tree of

     Knowledge Ser.: No. 2). 30p. Paper. $3.95. (ISBN

     0-913923-35-4). Woodland Health Books.



Malstrom, Stan. Natural Approach to Female Problems. (Tree of

     Knowledge Ser.: No. 7). 31p. Paper. $3.95. (ISBN

     0-913923-41-9). Woodland Health Books.



Malstrom, Stan. Natural First Aid. (Tree of Knowledge Ser.: No.

     5). 19p. Paper. $3.95. (ISBN 0-913923-38-9). Woodland Health

     Books.

Malstrom, Stan. Natural Treatment for Childhood Diseases. (Tree of

     Knowledge Ser.: No. 6). 29p. Paper. $3.95. (ISBN

     0-913923-40-0). Woodland Health Books.



From howieb1991@AOL.COM Fri Feb 18 08:33:11 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 01:33:11 EST

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb1991@AOL.COM>

Subject: Herbs for Menopause



 Michael Moore in his new book, Medicinal Plants of the Pacific West,

suggests the use of Black Cohosh, Cimicifuga elata and other species, for

menopausal pproblems. When the ovaries stop producing estrogen, the pituatary

gland excretes luteinizing hormones (LH) in surges, which would normally

increase estrogen production, but it not possible during menopause. This

causes hot flashes. The Cohosh doesn't increse estrogen, but its constituents

are percieved by the body as estrogen metabolites--or broken down estrogen.

So the body is fooled into thinking there has been estrogen in the uterus,

and won't surge LH, thus less hot flashes. This herb would help your body

adjust to decreased estrogen, rather than replacing the hormone (current

treatment).

    Certainly a rounded wholestic approach is better than the one herb

approach, and this herb is strong enough warrant cautious use. Check Moore's

book for more info.



                              Howie Brounstein



From nancy@TUX.MUSIC.ASU.EDU Fri Feb 18 18:29:07 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 09:29:07 -0700

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Nancy Goren <nancy@TUX.MUSIC.ASU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Herbs for Menopause

In-Reply-To: <01H90DN9NVEE8Y5IJL@asu.edu>



I got through menopause without estrogen but eight years later was

diagnosed with blood in the urine.  After lots of expensive tests my

nurse practioner and I decided it was related to dry tisues so she

prescribed a vaginal estrogen cream.  This seems to have cleared the

blood in the urine problem (I never saw it and never thought it was a

problem).  The dose is so low I don't get vaginal bleeding, but I would

like to know if any of these herbs can substitute for this kind of estrogen?



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Fri Feb 18 11:58:37 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 01:58:37 PST

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: gingko biloba

In-Reply-To: <9402152336.AA03463@guest.apple.com>



One other thing about the fruits: they STINK. There used to be a

female Ginkgo tree at the corner of our block when I was a kid, and we

called it "The Vomitball Tree". I'm not surprised that you can get

burns from handling the stuff! Most places won't even sell you a

female tree any more; all they carry is males.



Cheers

jon



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Fri Feb 18 12:20:36 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 02:20:36 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: weight loss

In-Reply-To: <9402161719.AA18047@guest.apple.com>



Roberta Stapp's recent posting was oddly reminiscent of what happened

to me. Last year I acquired a really good allergist; I told him about

my food problems, and he put me on a calm & careful elimination diet

so I could A) clear out some of the trouble, and B) find out exactly

which foods were actually problematic.



To make a long story short: 1) when I stopped eating wheat, 3 years of

chronic bronchitis and asthma quietly went away. 2) My physician has

my weight at 186 around this time last year, and at 150 now.



All I remember doing is watching ingredient lists & staying away from

stuff that bothers me. Since I have trouble from things like eggyolks,

my consumption of items like mayonnaise went down. Since I have

horrible trouble from milk & milk products, my consumption of items

like cream cheese, butter, pizza, &c went to zero. At the same time,

my consumption of things like fruits, veggies, meats (unfortunately),

rice, and that sort of thing went up. I'm now trying to get the meats

down to a dull roar, with some early indications of success.



Meanwhile, my doctor's PA is gently warning me that if I lose much

more weight, he will threaten me with peanut butter & avocados.  :-)

Actually, I seem to be fairly stable at the 150-pound level. This is

just fine with me. (I actually do eat a little peanut butter, every

once in a while.)



Raw Nappa, by the way, is one superb salad item. (Nappa is probably

the stuff that's sometimes called "Chinese Cabbage". It looks vaguely

like a very pale & very full head of romaine lettuce, sorta. It's

quite dense, though, unlike lettuce: a head of Nappa that's only about

9 or 10 inches tall can weigh up to maybe 2.5 pounds.) The stuff has a

richer, fuller flavor than lettuce and is beautifully crunchy.



Cheers!

jon



From @ Fri Feb 18 13:50:07 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 06:50:07 -0500

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From: "A jester unemployed is nobody's fool."

              <STU_DRFULLER@JMUVAX.BITNET>

Subject: Re: weight loss



I"m also mildly alleric to wheat, or specifically whole grains but it only

comes from one part of the kernel that is only used when the whole kernel

is used.  Its called "glotin" or "gloutin" or something like that.  You might

want to specifically check to see what about wheat you are allergic to.



I remember one guy that I met on an edible food walk who I would call a

"granola."  (Vegan, no refined sugar, no refined flour, everything 100% all

natural if he can help it.  Even refused to eat a saltine and got upset that

an edible mushroom was fried.)  He said that my allergy and most allergies to

glotin come from eating refined flour and white bread.  I thought about it

for a second and it seemed feasable but I've eaten wheat bread most of my

life so that explaination doesn't fly with me.



Deb Fuller



From miski@KODAK.COM Fri Feb 18 14:55:14 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 08:55:14 EDT

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Mahmut Miski <miski@KODAK.COM>

Subject: Ginkgo biloba



I have seen MRI brain images of patients who are under Ginkgo extract

treatment, there was an obvious blood circulation differences between

before and after treatment images. Main active constituents of Ginkgo

are a special type of sesquiterpene lactones, ginkgolides. Obviously

other constituents such as biflavonoids also have beneficial effects

on the circulatory system, however, much of the pharmacological effects

of Ginkgo extract is due to ginkgolides.



If you'd like to learn more about pharmacological effects of Ginkgolides

please refer to: Gingkgolides, Chemistry, Biology, Pharmacology and Clinical

Perspectives, Volume 1, 794 pgs., P. Braquet (Edit.), J. R. Prous Science

Publishers (1988) and C. Bruno et al., "Regeneration of Motor Nerves in

Bilobalide-Treated Rats", Planta Medica 59, 302-307 (1993).



M. Miski



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Sat Feb 19 11:15:02 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:15:02 PST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: Ginkgo biloba

In-Reply-To: <9402190350.AA03800@guest.apple.com>



Many thanks to Mahmut Miski for those references!!



Cheers

jon singer



From @ Fri Feb 18 16:02:15 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 08:02:15 CST

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From: claribell Gallivan

              <Claribell_Gallivan_at_UM-ICS-PO1@MUCCMAIL.MISSOURI.EDU>

Subject: Re[2]: weight loss



You are likely referring to GLUTEN, the part of the grain that helps it raise.

It acts as the glue that makes cakes, breads, etc. appear to be light and airy.

It is the protein of the grain.  You find it in oats, rye, buckwheat.  I am

sensitive to gluten but find it almost impossible to avoid wheat or the other

grains.  I work full time, check on parents daily and just don't have the time

to do totally natural cooking.  The affect I have is weight gain. CLG



______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________



Subject: Re: weight loss

Author:  "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

<HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de> at MU-Internet

Date:    2/18/94 6:50 AM



I"m also mildly alleric to wheat, or specifically whole grains but it only

comes from one part of the kernel that is only used when the whole kernel

is used.  Its called "glotin" or "gloutin" or something like that.  You might

want to specifically check to see what about wheat you are allergic to.



I remember one guy that I met on an edible food walk who I would call a

"granola."  (Vegan, no refined sugar, no refined flour, everything 100% all

natural if he can help it.  Even refused to eat a saltine and got upset that

an edible mushroom was fried.)  He said that my allergy and most allergies to

glotin come from eating refined flour and white bread.  I thought about it

for a second and it seemed feasable but I've eaten wheat bread most of my

life so that explaination doesn't fly with me.



Deb Fuller



From robbee@CRL.COM Sat Feb 19 09:40:15 1994

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 23:40:15 -0800

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Bilberry



I would like to hear from anyone who has access to either fresh

bilberries or bilberry jam. Since there are people from diverse

areas on this list I thought it a good idea to ask.

   I lost my access to bilberry products last year. The jam was

given to RAF pilots who went on night raids, to improve their

vision in the dark. It has been said to also improve the eyesight

in general. After about eight years of use I concur with this.

   And as long as I'm in request mode; I need to hear from anyone

who has wildcrafted (or even spotted) Drosera R. It grows in acid

"seeps" and bogs and at times is so prevalent it seems to carpet

the area. If anyone has access to this (in tincture form) I would

also like a response. I am looking for persons who have taken either

herb for any length of time so that I may corroborate my own

observations, especially regarding Drosera R. (sundew).



Thanks so much



jrb



From etk@PANIX.COM Sat Feb 19 18:43:46 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 11:43:46 -0500

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

              <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: Bilberry

In-Reply-To: <199402190749.AA10838@panix.com> from "John Robert Bidleman" at

              Feb 18, 94 11:40:15 pm



I've tried dried bilberry in capsule form, but not long enough to notice

any improvement.  How would you comparee the dried form to the jam and

berry? Did you ever take the dried?



Ellen

--

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



From robbee@CRL.COM Sun Feb 20 01:57:27 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:57:27 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Bilberry

In-Reply-To: <199402191651.AA04823@crl.crl.com>



On Sat, 19 Feb 1994, Ellen Kessler wrote:



> I've tried dried bilberry in capsule form, but not long enough to notice

> any improvement.  How would you comparee the dried form to the jam and

> berry? Did you ever take the dried?



I've tried; compressed pills, fresh (and preserved berries) and jam.

the pills were not as wonderful as the jam of course but they were easier

to get. I noticed an obvious upgrade to my night vision in about 6 weeks

and also a general effect to my vision.



jrb



From etk@PANIX.COM Sun Feb 20 17:27:22 1994

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:27:22 -0500

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: Bilberry

In-Reply-To: <199402192355.AA13873@panix.com> from "John Robert Bidleman" at

              Feb 19, 94 03:57:27 pm



John Robert Bidleman wrote regarding bilberry:

: to get. I noticed an obvious upgrade to my night vision in about 6 weeks

: and also a general effect to my vision.

:

:

Can you be a bit more specific about the general effect to your vision?

How were your eyes before? Near- far-sighted? Astigmatism?



Thanks



Ellen



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  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Sat Feb 19 10:38:10 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 00:38:10 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: Ritalin & ADD (cautions from J. R. Bidleman) --

In-Reply-To: <9402181047.AA21810@guest.apple.com>



Wow!



I will be _extremely_ cautious with this! One good thing: the dosage

I'm on seems to be extremely low. (I know one kid, for example, who is

16 or so, and has to take about twice as much as I do before he gets

much effect at all.)



Thanks for the cautions!

jon



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Sat Feb 19 11:18:28 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:18:28 PST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: Bilberry, Drosera

In-Reply-To: <9402190748.AA06114@guest.apple.com>



I am interested in Bilberry plants or seeds as well.



w/r/t Drosera (Sundews): there is a Carnivorous Plants mailinglist on

the net, and some of them probably know where to find plants, but I've

never heard any mention of tinctures or extracts or medicinal uses of

any CP on that list, though I've been reading it for over 2 years.

Sigh.



Cheers

jon



PS: Various sundews are native to a great many areas; the different

species may have rather different medicinal properties!



From robbee@CRL.COM Sun Feb 20 02:19:06 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 16:19:06 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Bilberry, Drosera

In-Reply-To: <199402192112.AA29308@crl.crl.com>



I am interested mostly in Drosera Rotundfolia and yes it is common in

many areas. I have a short blurb on Sundew that I could post or send to

individuals if wanted.



jrb



From hildebra@UMUC.UMD.EDU Sat Feb 19 23:01:32 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 16:01:32 EST

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From: JoAnne Hildebrand <hildebra@UMUC.UMD.EDU>

Subject: Herbalists



Thank you Rebecca and Mitch for sending information about naturopathic physician



training. I have another question about professional/paraprofessional

qualifications: Is there any standardization of the term "herbalist?" Does an

herbalist have recognized qualifications, training or experience?



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Sun Feb 20 05:03:10 1994

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 19:03:10 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: Herbalists



There is no "qualifiication" for the term herbalist.

There will soon be an officially sanctioned one for Chinese herbs.

The question is an important one.

Many of the best herbalists have been lay people, the old wives, sages & witches



!

Many professionals have only superficial and/or mechanical knowledge of herbs

without much understanding for herbs or plants.

Many if not most of the books on western herbalism repeat the same formulas

without true testing or scrutiny. Plagiarism is rampant.

The true spirit of Western herbalism was lost or driven underground by the witch



 burnings simply because these were the folk healers and there connection to

plants and healing made them pagans/sorcerors etc.

The law simply stated that God did healing; if you did healing you must be in

league with the devil.

The herbalism of the intellectuals men in the cities was based on astrology

and on secrets learned from the countryside.

The magickal herbalism of Paracelsus and Culpepper was lost by the emergence

of materialism in science.

Thus herbalism was gutted of its holistic and spiritual traditions.

Herbalism then became either the simplified herbalism of the pioneers, often

pilched from Indians without the accompanying attitudes toeard life and plants,

or was a medically oriented system of Eclectic doctors.

I love the botanical medicine of Felter, LLoyd and the other herb doctors

but it has often degenerated into very allopathic herbs-as-drugs approach

common in much of Europe and America.

In England there is very strong herbalism at a professional level;

contact jtreasure@demon.co.uk.

The phytotherapy of Germany is also very sophisticated and strong.

In the US lots of people know handy things about herbs for simple problems,

not many know herbal medicine for treating serious problems and too many people

venture into treacherous realms with inadequtae foundations.

NDs (Naturopathic Doctors) have the best, and only, professional-level training

in the US.

A bunch of us in naturopathic medicine, homeopathy, chiropractic and Chinese med



icine made IBIS (Interactive BodyMind Information System) to provide

authoritative clinical information to practitioners.

We are working on something for everyone, but please no request for info now/yet



,

nor to me.

As for qualification: be wary of the government getting involved, the profession



al practitioners need to regulate themselves for their own benefit and that

of their patients.

In the meantime, read David Hoffman or write to Domonion Herbal School in Canada



.

Sorry I do not have the address of Dominion at hand; I think they are in BC



Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From clarkd@SFU.CA Sun Feb 20 11:41:44 1994

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:41:44 -0800

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From: Susan Clark <clarkd@SFU.CA>

Subject: Dominion Herbal School address

In-Reply-To: <9402200305.AA14408@whistler.sfu.ca> from "Mitch Bebel Stargrove"

              at Feb 19, 94 07:03:10 pm



The address of the DOMINION HERBAL COLLEGE here in Vancouver is:



                7527 Kingsway, Burnaby, BC

their tel# is:



                (604) 521 5822



sorry I don't have the postal code, but letters from the US are not



returned if without it (and it might even get there faster!)



There's also the INTERNATIONAL COLLEGE OF TRADITIONAL CHINESE MEDECINE

at 301-1847 West Broadway; tel: 731-2926



talk caul@fraser.sfu.ca



From clarkd@SFU.CA Sun Feb 20 11:53:56 1994

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:53:56 -0800

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From: Susan Clark <clarkd@SFU.CA>

Subject: addresses cont'd

In-Reply-To: <9402200305.AA14408@whistler.sfu.ca> from "Mitch Bebel Stargrove"

              at Feb 19, 94 07:03:10 pm



Got interrupted by a "talk" session. I was going to say that there's

another college here -- and I should emphasize that I don't know

anything about any of these places, just opened up the phone book when

Mitch wrote that he thought Dominion was in BC -- called



        WILD ROSE COLLEGE OF NATURAL HEALING



at      101-2182 West 12th

        Vancouver, BC

        (604) 734-4596



Hope that all got through alright.

If not, or if anyone needs more information from here, I'm at



clarkd@sfu.ca



best wishes

Susan



From clarkd@SFU.CA Wed Feb 23 11:19:58 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 01:19:58 -0800

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From: Susan Clark <clarkd@SFU.CA>

Subject: addresses cont'd



>

>

> Got interrupted by a "talk" session. I was going to say that there's

> another college here -- and I should emphasize that I don't know

> anything about any of these places, just opened up the phone book when

> Mitch wrote that he thought Dominion was in BC -- called

>

>       WILD ROSE COLLEGE OF NATURAL HEALING

>

> at    101-2182 West 12th

>       Vancouver, BC

>       (604) 734-4596

>

> Hope that all got through alright.

> If not, or if anyone needs more information from here, I'm at

>

> clarkd@sfu.ca

>

> best wishes

> Susan

>



this meesage looks strange because I've spent days trying to ssend

these addresses, always getting them returned. Please excuse me if any

of these has somehow been posted before.



Susan



From PBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU Sun Feb 20 20:37:55 1994

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 13:37:55 EST

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From: Peg Boyle <PBOYLE@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>

Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook

Subject: Lethargy



I feel lethargic and get mild headaches before my periods.  The lethargy

is such that I don't want to do anything.



Does anyone have any suggestions for overcoming this?  I'd appreciate

it.



Regards,

Peg Boyle



From etk@PANIX.COM Tue Feb 22 06:35:15 1994

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 23:35:15 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: Lethargy

In-Reply-To: <199402201841.AA17011@panix.com> from "Peg Boyle" at Feb 20,

              94 01:37:55 pm



Peg Boyle wrote:

: I feel lethargic and get mild headaches before my periods.  The lethargy

: is such that I don't want to do anything.

:

: Does anyone have any suggestions for overcoming this?  I'd appreciate

: it.



If the headaches have anything to do with water retention, try taking 250

- 500 mg of vitamin B6 a day.  Also 99 mgs of potassium.  Does the trick

for me as far as water retention goes.  Then you may try some general

energy boosting things like bee pollen and spirulina.



Ellen



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From MCCANDLISH%SMCCVA@SNYCENVA.BITNET Tue Feb 22 16:01:00 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 09:01:00 EST

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From: Woody McCandlish <MCCANDLISH%SMCCVA@SNYCENVA.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Lethargy



if the problem is water retention i've heard dandelion tea is good for that

but it also can deplete your potassium if you drink too much.  for cramps

i've heard that catnip tea is good.  i'm trying to find an alternative to

trazadone that my doctor has put me on for body tension but it makes me kinda

out of it alittle.  any suggestions.  i have a variety of herbs that i'm

trying...yarrow, catnip, dandilion, ginseng, juniper berries, chamomile,

basically anything i can find that's supposed to be an analgesic that doesn't

have too many dangers of prolonged use.  any suggestions.  i'm alittle bit

afraid to try valerian because it's a derivitive of valium, and i'm not sure

according to the book i'm reading whether white willow or wild cherry are

really good for you or not.

any suggestions?                        woody <mccandlish@smccva.lib.monroecc.ed



   u>



From robbee@CRL.COM Wed Feb 23 06:15:59 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 20:15:59 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Lethargy

In-Reply-To: <199402221415.AA03284@crl.crl.com>



On Tue, 22 Feb 1994, Woody McCandlish wrote:



> trying...yarrow, catnip, dandilion, ginseng, juniper berries, chamomile,

> basically anything i can find that's supposed to be an analgesic that doesn't

> have too many dangers of prolonged use.  any suggestions.  i'm alittle bit

> afraid to try valerian because it's a derivitive of valium, and i'm not sure

> according to the book i'm reading whether white willow or wild cherry are

> really good for you or not.

> any suggestions?                        woody

 <mccandlish@smccva.lib.monroecc.ed

>    u>

>



My first suggestion is not to try a bunch of herbs for a malady you know

little about. What is body tension and what is causing it? That should be

your first line of questioning (to yourself). Secondly, Valerian has not a

thing to do with Valium (Diazepam) which is a chemical drug and NOT derived

from the Valerian plant. Perhaps there is some factor in your lifestyle, your

environment or your diet that is causing or exacerbating the "tension" in

your body. If you know of a competent Naturopath or other practicioner

who is able to diagnose, then by all means see that person for your problem.

If you don't know what is causing the problem, it is quite possible

taking herbs (or even the medication you're on) will mask the real problem.



   One of the platforms of herbology (and naturopathy, homeopathy etc) is the

principle of NOT blocking the bodies own healing process, symptoms such

as body tension could be indicating another deeper based illness. This

illness shouldn't be repressed, it should be explored and probably by a

person educated or skilled in diagnosis.



From MCCANDLISH%SMCCVA@SNYCENVA.BITNET Wed Feb 23 22:40:00 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:40:00 EST

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From: Woody McCandlish <MCCANDLISH%SMCCVA@SNYCENVA.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Lethargy



thanks for the suggestions.  i did do physical therapy for my back for

awhile and i'm trying to get more exercise.  i'm constantly stretching.

alot of stress in my life and i can't do anything about it.  my counselor

just dumped me because i can't afford a psychiatrist and i don't really

want to talk drug.  i could go into it all, but suffice it to say that i

belonged to a religious cult of sorts for 5 years and am still feeling the

profound effects.  this kind of makes meditation or relaxation of any kind

more stressful for me rather than Less.  it doesn't make me relaxed, it makes

me VERY tense due to the programming i recieved about meditation and demons

entering your body.  anyways, i'm sure when my faith begins to be restored

i will find another counselor, unfortunately there are no deprogrammers in

this area, and these things take ALOT of time, it's already been 2 1/2 years

and it IS getting better believe it or not, or atleast moved around, from

stomach to back, shoulders and neck.  any other suggestions.  i am just

looking for something that will help me during my "period of recovery", not

to mask the pain, but to help me through it.

thanks.                         woody



From etk@PANIX.COM Thu Feb 24 07:32:08 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 00:32:08 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: Lethargy

In-Reply-To: <199402232055.AA04395@panix.com> from "Woody McCandlish" at Feb

              23, 94 03:40:00 pm



Recommended meditation to a cult victim, did I? Hmmmm.  I see your problem.



Where do you live?



The Alexander Technique or the Feldenkreis Method (similar to Alexander)

help release tension.  Group lessons are reasonably priced.



If you can get some massage therapy it could help. Zen Shiatsu is nice.

But this will fix you up for a day or two.  To control it youself,

Alexander or regular release in exercise will work better.



What about taking up a sport? Racket ball, tennis, squash, ice skating?

Biking? Swimming? That would be fun as well as provide exercise and

tension release.



There are some people over on the alt.meditation.transcendental newsgroup

who have experienced that group as a cult of sorts and they may be

interesting to talk to about life after gurus.



Ellen



--

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



From IK072@TRIUVM11.BITNET Mon Feb 21 13:22:56 1994

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:22:56 SET

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From: Nazan Bergisadi <IK072@TRIUVM11.BITNET>



Sizden u anda Amerika'da oldugunu zannettigim Dr. Ecz. Mahmut Miski'nin eger b

iliyorsan`z E-Mail adresini rica ediyorum.

Teekkur ederim

Prof.Dr.Nazan Bergiadi5



From IK072@TRIUVM11.BITNET Mon Feb 21 13:31:55 1994

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:31:55 SET

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From: Nazan Bergisadi <IK072@TRIUVM11.BITNET>



To whom `t may concern

I would be very much thankful and grateful `f someone can g`ve me E- Ma`l addre

ss of DR. Pharm. Mahmut M`sk` whom I th`nk one of the members of your l`st.

Thank you

Prof. Dr. Nazan Berg`sad`



From alenssen@LAMAR.COLOSTATE.EDU Mon Feb 21 15:39:39 1994

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 06:39:39 MST

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From: "Andy Lenssen, Crops Lab, USDA, ARS, Ft. Collins,

              CO" <alenssen@LAMAR.COLOSTATE.EDU>



On Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:31:55 SET, Nazan Bergisadi wrote:



>To whom `t may concern

>I would be very much thankful and grateful `f someone can g`ve me E- Ma`l addre



>ss of DR. Pharm. Mahmut M`sk` whom I th`nk one of the members of your l`st.

>Thank you

>Prof. Dr. Nazan Berg`sad`



address is: miski@kodak.com



Andrew W. Lenssen

Plant Pathologist, Sugarbeet Research Unit

USDA, ARS Crops Research Laboratory

1701 Center Ave.

Ft. Collins, CO 80526

(303) 498-4234

alenssen@lamar.colostate.edu



From jrg8@CORNELL.EDU Mon Feb 21 22:59:36 1994

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 16:59:36 EDT

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From: jeff <jrg8@CORNELL.EDU>

Subject: Re: HERBALISTS



In Message Mon, 21 Feb 1994 16:11:50 EST,

  Mahmut Miski <miski@KODAK.COM> writes:



>Mitch:

>

>>Many professionals have only superficial and/or mechanical knowledge of herbs

>>without much understanding for herbs or plants.



How would you rank the knowledge of herbalists trained in England who

apparently follow both biological mechanisms and traditional theory.



>

>A pharmacognosist has expert knowledge of the chemical constituents of plants,

>how to go about identifying new chemicals that occur in plants, and how

>various cultures use plants to their benefit, with particular interest in

>their medical applications. A pharmacognosist may, for instance, travel through



>a rural area such as Appalachia or a remote jungle area, learning how the

>residents use plants for healing and observing their actual use. He would

>collect these herbs and, being a rationalist, take them back to his laboratory

>and subject them to various sophisticated analyses.



I understand the rationalist approach as being fundamentally reductionist

in that it finds "the active ingredient(s)" and seeks to quantify/qualify

their effect on individual outcomes (microbes, disease systems, etc).

How does the pharmacognosist measure the multiple interactions/synergies

implied in herbal medecine (ex. Chinese Traditional Medecine) where the

sum of several herbs is greater than its parts?



JRG



From miski@KODAK.COM Mon Feb 21 23:11:50 1994

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 16:11:50 EST

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From: Mahmut Miski <miski@KODAK.COM>

Subject: Re: HERBALISTS



Mitch:



>Many professionals have only superficial and/or mechanical knowledge of herbs

>without much understanding for herbs or plants.



I would like to make a comment regarding your statement, normally most of the

pharmacists should have the knowledge of understanding herbs or plants.



I'm a pharmacist and have a Ph.D. degree in "Pharmacognosy". Unfortunately,

most of the US College of Pharmacies don't offer this particular program in

their curriculum anymore. The foundation of this discipline laid long before

Paracelsus or Culpepper by Pedanius Dioscorides (ca. 50 A.D.) in Anatolia.



What is pharmacognosy? It literally means the "Knowledge of Drugs". Rodale's

Illustrated Encyclopedia of Herbs has a nice definition about pharmacognosy:



"Pharmacognosy



Herbal medicine does not begin and end with folk traditions. Although its

roots have been traced back thousands of years and for most of its history

herbalism has been closely linked with religion, astrology, and superstition,

there is also a purely scientific approach to the world of herbs, known as

pharmacognosy.



A pharmacognosist has expert knowledge of the chemical constituents of plants,

how to go about identifying new chemicals that occur in plants, and how

various cultures use plants to their benefit, with particular interest in

their medical applications. A pharmacognosist may, for instance, travel through

a rural area such as Appalachia or a remote jungle area, learning how the

residents use plants for healing and observing their actual use. He would

collect these herbs and, being a rationalist, take them back to his laboratory

and subject them to various sophisticated analyses.



Most typically, a pharmacognosist is interested in isolating and describing

the active ingredients, or bioactive molecules, of plants. And his or her

investigations might lead to attempts to synthesize these bioactive molecules,

or to experiment with changinig them slightly to achieve certain desired

effects, such as increased activity, less toxicity, or greater stability."



M. Miski



From robbee@CRL.COM Tue Feb 22 07:11:55 1994

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 21:11:55 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: HERBALISTS

In-Reply-To: <199402212120.AA11409@crl.crl.com>



I am sure you are the exception...what Mitch was trying to say (or said

quite well) was that the average pharmacist has very little knowledge of

herbs, their constituents or actions. I have worked as a Pharmacy Tech. for

7 years while going to school and all the people I worked with were almost

completely ignorant of herbal medicine (folk or otherwise). What is worse

they often derided me for discussing the benefits of herbalism.

   So, the ancient Greeks used Greek terms to classify drugs and herbs etc.

Why are you using that to elevate the pharmaceutical industry? Look

around Mahmut...you don't have to go back to Greece to see the failure of

modern medicine, it's right here, right now. Yes, there are undeniably some

wonderful chemicals around and there are some wonderful cures and treatments

that have come out of the modern pharmacy. But there have been many more

tragedies in herding people away from natural, preventive medicine than there

has been advances.

   And lest we forget...it was the "little people" the ill and diseased that

through trial and error found that this leaf and this bark etc etc etc etc

had these effects. THAT is what laid the foundation for herbal and folk

medicine. It is the pharmaceutical industry (along with the AMA) that

would like to control and profit from the coming revolution in natural

medicine. Before you consider these points of view to be uninformed, I'd

like to remind you most of what I have just said reflects Everett Koop's



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Wed Feb 23 08:06:00 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 22:06:00 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: HERBALISTS



Yes, there is a long history of herbalism outside of folk

traditions.  However, the people who developed the natural

sciences in China, Europe, India, the Middle East, etc. were the

same people who developed astrology and many of the magical

sciences. The separation of religion and science was a relatively

recent phenomenon in history. The Taoists first catalogued plants

and animals, the alchemists invented chemistry, the astrologers

developed astronomy. As for "superstition"; Joseph Campbell once

said "superstition is other people's religion". Such approaches

combined the mythic and the scientific in a way that transcends

our current separations.



Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Wed Feb 23 08:14:33 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 22:14:33 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: HERBALISTS



Also, I was referring the medical pracrtitioners and herbalists, not to

pharmacists.

I love pharmacognosy when that info if viewed within a broad framework.

I am wary of it when the spirit of the plant is lost and active ingredients

are asserted as most important. My neurotransmitters help my thinking but

will never replicate my thoughts or perceptions.

Plants are alive, they have character and chemistry may help us will there

address so we might meet them, but we will only get to knoe them by living with

them, talking with them, playing with them.

The devas are at least as important as the analysis.

Herbalsits knew how herbs worked through morphology, ritual, dreams and devas,

chemists will only grasp at the mechanisms of some of an herb's effects.

Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU Wed Feb 23 17:18:29 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 10:18:29 -0500

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From: PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU

Subject: Re: HERBALISTS



Help!!



I have been trying to make a decision about either going to

a homeopathic physician or to an herbologist for some health

problems that I have (especially Rheumatoid Arthritis).  I

would like to know if anyone out there would recommend one

over the other and why?



Also, does anyone have some names of herbologist in central

New Jersey?



Thanks for your help.



Paulette



From etk@PANIX.COM Wed Feb 23 21:33:46 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 14:33:46 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: HERBALISTS

In-Reply-To: <199402231539.AA23874@panix.com> from "PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU"

              at Feb 23, 94 10:18:29 am



PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU wrote:

:

: Help!!

:

: I have been trying to make a decision about either going to

: a homeopathic physician or to an herbologist for some health

: problems that I have (especially Rheumatoid Arthritis).  I

: would like to know if anyone out there would recommend one

: over the other and why?



Paulette,



        I've been using alternative medicine for about 25 years, as well

as modern western medicine.  I've found that the only way to see what

works and what doesn't is to experiement, that is to try them out and see.



        I've found that no one system works for every one of my problems.

And I strongly suspect that because eveyone is so different this will be

true across the board.  In addition you must take into accunt the skill

of the practitioner you choose.



        Here's an example of what work and don't work on me for asthma:



                - acupuncture gave immediate relief but did not last

                - herbs based on the ayurvedic system work well to

                    both relieve symptoms and resolve most attacks

                 - proventil relieves symptoms, but stops total resolution

                 - hycodan will stop an allergic reaction, resolving the attack



        Depending on the symptoms, I will use any of the last three, but

mostly I use the herbs.



Ellen



--

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  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

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From PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU Wed Feb 23 22:51:28 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:51:28 -0500

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From: PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU

Subject: Re: HERBALISTS



Do you go to doctors for your herbs or homeopathic remedies

or do you just read about them and treat yourself?



Thanks.



Paulette



From etk@PANIX.COM Thu Feb 24 07:19:43 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 00:19:43 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: HERBALISTS

In-Reply-To: <199402232138.AA10835@panix.com> from "PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU"

              at Feb 23, 94 03:51:28 pm



PORTNOY@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU wrote:

:

: Do you go to doctors for your herbs or homeopathic remedies

: or do you just read about them and treat yourself?

:

Hmmmm. Was this written to me? Well, since I mentioned that I use herbs,

it's like this.



I have gone to doctors and practitioners and I read about my

symptoms/problems alternative remedies/medicine and treat myself too.



I have been to a few acupuncturists, one western trained in Japan, the

others chinese and trained in china.  I have gone to a homeopath (read

about a homeopathic vet in a New Yorker article and called him for a

recommendation because I liked the interview).  I have seen Dr. Lad a few

times when he comes to the NY area, after reading his books on ayurveda

and finding the recommendations in it helpful.  Have seen other

practitioners trained in ayurveda.  Have seen excellent zen shiatsu

massage therapists. When I first got symptoms of RSI (and didn't know it

was RSI) I went to a chinsese doctor (not an acupuncturist, he'd tape

herbs to my wrist) in a storefront in chinatown and the experience was

fantastic.  Not only the doctor but most of the patients didn't speak

english.  my friend who recommended him wrote my symptoms down for me to

show him.  the stuff worked to, but my problem couldn't be resolved until

I changed the way I type...I kept on reinjuring myself.



I've always been curious about medicine and had early and unhappy

experiences with western doctors, who could not diagnose what turned out

to be fairly simple problems.  Their inability coupled with their

arrogance and tendency to blame the patient for not getting better or

"imagining" things made alternative treatment interesting and

attractive.  Plus, much of it worked!



It makes sense to me that as the orientals and indians believe the body

starts getting ill by going out of balance and by the time obvious

physical symptoms manifest things have gotten out of hand.  Yet that's

the level that western medicine deals in.  It's blind stupidity and

self-destructive, in my opinion.



For some reason, and I believe this is due to my emotional nature, the

ayurvedic system makes the most sense to me.  I got my basic doshas

identified by Dr. Lad.  It confirmed/explained all my symptoms.  Why

certain situations produced certain responses.  And I found that when I

followed the recommendations to keep my doshas balanced, I was much

healthier, got sick less, got better faster.  It involves diet too, by

the way.



Also I've experiemented with vitamins and have found some to be helpful

for acute problems so I take those as needed.



Anyway, this is a long answer to a short question, probably more

indicative of my temperament than which system(s) is best for YOU.  Only you

can decide that.



Oh, and I try to go to the best people I can find.  I use personal

recommendations, articles, books, and don't continue seeing people I

don't have a good feeling about.



Ellen



--

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Thu Feb 24 07:30:32 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 21:30:32 -0800

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: HERBALISTS



You might generalize and say herbs nourish while homeopathy reprograms.

in treating arthritis, I use both. But I tend to look to homeopathy for the deep



, lasting and efficient cure; herbs seem to require large volumes and are often

simply palliative; that is, symptoms return when you stop the herbs.

Palliation is better than pain, but cure is best.

Acupuncture can also help produce rapid results.

Often it depends on who you are working with: an excellent herbalist will help

much more than a mediocre homeopath.



Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From jtreasure@JONNO.DEMON.CO.UK Tue Feb 22 01:22:33 1994

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 23:22:33 +0000

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From: Jonathan Treasure <jtreasure@JONNO.DEMON.CO.UK>

Subject: US herbal tinctures - product labelling



Hello all,

Having just returned to the UK from a trip to the pacific north west, I now

understand why there are so many queries about herbal products on this

list. I don't know if these comments will be useful but here goes with the

Brit input....



My local wholefood store there (ok, Eugene OR. may be in the top league for

this) carries no less than seven different brands of tinctures on the

shelves. Taking Echinacea as a popular example, each supplier had at least

two, some had three or four Echinacea preparations, either as simples or in

combination; ie  a staggering 15-20 Echinacea tincture preparations are

available in one store.

 (Before you start on capsules etc etc).



Presumably because they are classed as foodstuffs the labelling of herbal

products seems to be somewhat capricious in the US, often based more on

grabbing the potential purchasers dollar than on providing accurate

information. (eg " Herp - eze" ) Other suppliers may be well intentioned

but anyway all Labels SHOULD carry the following information: (illustrated

for Echinacea)



1. Species used (E.angustifolia, E. purpurea, and if both, what proportion)

2.Certified Origin of plant (organically wildcrafted)

3. Parts used (herb or root)

4. Strength of solvent (45-55% ethanol herb, 75% root)

5. Concentration of plant to solvent (1:4 or 1:5)

6. Date of manufacture and batch no.

7. Doseage for acute AND chronic conditions (these are often different,

acute =double chronic for E.spp.)

8.Contraindications and warnings (eg prolonged useage E. will actually

suppress immune function)



Only two Echinacea  products in that store came near to satisfying these

criteria - and neither did so fully. However if you use accurate labelling

as a guide you know that the manufacturer is trying, and you can at least

compare like with like .  Since the price for a 30ml bottle ranged from

$7.25 thru $13.00 it seems like a sensible approach to only buy what you

know youre buying, you may well be being ripped off as well as risking over

or underdosing etc.



The majority of common medicinal herbs can be prepared from fresh or dried

plant as infusions in water;

I  personally think this is a better way if you can purchase the herb in

this form. The best way to do that

is to buy wholesale from a reputable supplier ( or where appropriate

pick/grow your own) and build up your own herbal medicine cupboard. Indeed

it is often important to take an infusion rather than a tincture where

alcohol may cause irritation eg urinary tract infections.



Finally, if you are self prescribing as it seems most people on the

HERBLISTSERV  of necessity or choice are - check an authoritative medical

herbal (eg Weiss).



Herbs aside,  I only wish we had wholefood stores like that in the uk....



jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk



From eduvil@UNPBIB.EDU.AR Tue Feb 22 09:26:10 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 10:26:10 LCL

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From: Dr Eduardo Sanchez <eduvil@UNPBIB.EDU.AR>

Subject: establecer comunicacion



Buen dia, somos los Dres Vilma Balzaretti y Eduardo Sanchez de la Facultad de

Ciencias Naturales de la UNIV.NAC.PATAGONIA SAN JUAN BOSCO, trabajamos en

investigacion quimica de productos naturales renovables, tenemos varios

trabajos de investigacion presentados en SAIQO y SAIPA sobre diversas plantas,

seria de nuestro interes establecer comunicacion respecto de vuestra linea de

investigacion. Nuestro Email es EDUVIL@UNPATA.EDU.AR., desde ya muy

agradecidos.



                                    Dr Eduardo Sanchez

                             Dra Vilma Balzaretti de Sanchez

                                   eduvil@unpata.edu.ar



From eduvil@UNPBIB.EDU.AR Tue Feb 22 10:26:10 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 10:26:10 LCL

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From: Dr Eduardo Sanchez <eduvil@UNPBIB.EDU.AR>

Subject: establecer comunicacion



Buen dia, somos los Dres Vilma Balzaretti y Eduardo Sanchez de la Facultad de

Ciencias Naturales de la UNIV.NAC.PATAGONIA SAN JUAN BOSCO, trabajamos en

investigacion quimica de productos naturales renovables, tenemos varios

trabajos de investigacion presentados en SAIQO y SAIPA sobre diversas plantas,

seria de nuestro interes establecer comunicacion respecto de vuestra linea de

investigacion. Nuestro Email es EDUVIL@UNPATA.EDU.AR., desde ya muy

agradecidos.



                                    Dr Eduardo Sanchez

                             Dra Vilma Balzaretti de Sanchez

                                   eduvil@unpata.edu.ar



From @ Thu Feb 24 15:59:28 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 07:59:28 CST

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From: claribell Gallivan

              <Claribell_Gallivan_at_UM-ICS-PO1@MUCCMAIL.MISSOURI.EDU>

Subject: Re: establecer comunicacion



Bien venido!



______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________



Subject: establecer comunicacion

Author:  "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

<HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de> at MU-Internet

Date:    2/24/94 7:08 AM



Buen dia, somos los Dres Vilma Balzaretti y Eduardo Sanchez de la Facultad de

Ciencias Naturales de la UNIV.NAC.PATAGONIA SAN JUAN BOSCO, trabajamos en

investigacion quimica de productos naturales renovables, tenemos varios

trabajos de investigacion presentados en SAIQO y SAIPA sobre diversas plantas,

seria de nuestro interes establecer comunicacion respecto de vuestra linea de

investigacion. Nuestro Email es EDUVIL@UNPATA.EDU.AR., desde ya muy

agradecidos.



                                    Dr Eduardo Sanchez

                             Dra Vilma Balzaretti de Sanchez

                                   eduvil@unpata.edu.ar



From lgb1@CORNELL.EDU Tue Feb 22 19:50:11 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 12:50:11 -0500

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Lynn Buckman <lgb1@CORNELL.EDU>

Subject: IBIS sales pitch



>Have we heard enough of IBIS?

>I am interested but you are rapidly turning me off to it and I think

>I am not alone in this feeling. People who want one will get one.



Ditto!



=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:=:

        Lynn Buckman             LGB1@CORNELL.EDU



From JHENKE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU Tue Feb 22 20:12:19 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 13:12:19 EST

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From: josephine Henke <JHENKE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Which came first?



        Is valerian derived from valium or the other way around?  (I don't

know and I'm not flaming...)



                                                JJ

                                                jhenke@ucs.indiana.edu



From howieb1991@AOL.COM Tue Feb 22 21:50:45 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 14:50:45 EST

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From: Howie Brounstein <howieb1991@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Which came first?



Valerian came first, and there is no Valium in it. They are chemically

similar, but not the same.



Do not be scared of Valerian. It will not "knock you out" like a Vailum

unless you take way too much. And even if you were to take too much, iit's

effect is short-lasting, like many herbs.



It does not feel like a Valium in you body.



Note: Fresh and dried Valerian are very different in chemical constituent and

smell. I prefer fresh Valerian tincture, with it's earthy musky scent. Other

herbalist only use dries by choice.



Seems that things are as it should be, herbalist can agree on the basics and

still have they're preferences and differences.



Howie Brounstein

Howie@aol.com



From julie%marsh.cts.com@HARVUNXW.BITNET Tue Feb 22 22:33:48 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 20:33:48 +0000

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From: Julie Blaney <julie%marsh.cts.com@HARVUNXW.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Which came first?

In-Reply-To: <9402221815.AA04436@talcott.harvard.edu> from "josephine Henke"

              at Feb 22, 94 01:12:19 pm



josephine Henke wrote:

>

>         Is valerian derived from valium or the other way around?  (I don't

> know and I'm not flaming...)



Neither.  Valium is the trade name for the drug diazepam (the patent has

run out and it is now sold under many generic names), a man-made

sedative-hypnotic prescribed to reduce anxiety, to induce sleep, or to

control seizures.  I think there is some confusion because valerian and

Valium start with the same three letters.



-Julie



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Julie Blaney  <julie@marsh.cts.com>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Common sense is the collection of

prejudices acquired by age eighteen."

                 -Albert Einstein

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From robbee@CRL.COM Wed Feb 23 06:42:36 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 20:42:36 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Which came first?

In-Reply-To: <199402221835.AA02418@crl.crl.com>



Valerian and Valium are not related.

Valium is NOT derived from Valium or vice versa.



             ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

             :           robbee@crl.com             :

             : Robert   Box 721 Healdsburg CA 95448 :

             ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::



On Tue, 22 Feb 1994, josephine Henke wrote:



>         Is valerian derived from valium or the other way around?  (I don't

> know and I'm not flaming...)

>

>                                                 JJ

>                                                 jhenke@ucs.indiana.edu

>



From robbee@CRL.COM Wed Feb 23 14:03:13 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 04:03:13 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Which came first?

In-Reply-To: <199402230934.AA01502@crl.crl.com>



I think I have to gently disagree with you on "Valerian will not knock

you out". A cup of Valerian root tea brewed strongly and had on an empty

stomach can have, for some persons, a very strong effect. It may not effect

you in that way but I have seen people incapacitated by Valerian.



             ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

             :           robbee@crl.com             :

             : Robert   Box 721 Healdsburg CA 95448 :

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From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Wed Feb 23 23:57:30 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 13:57:30 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: Which came first?

In-Reply-To: <9402230927.AA25222@guest.apple.com>



Howie Brounstein has said a very interesting & profound thing, a thing

that some of us are aware of, and some of us (myself, for example)

should be very happy to be reminded of: many herbs are very different

depending upon what form they are in when you use them. Fresh, dried,

tincture, tisane, etc. (I don't know about the rest of you, but as I

say, I tend to forget this sometimes. Thanks to Howie for providing a

reminder!)



Valerian, dried, (that's the only way I've used it, so far) has a

remarkably powerful and fairly unpleasant smell. Kinda like a mixture

of rotting earth and smelly ol' gym sox. I've been growing it for 2

years here, though, and I'm looking forward to getting a whiff of the

fresh root.



I don't mind the tisane quite so much: make tea out of the dried root

and it smells more like Lapsang Souchong, kinda smoky/earthy. If I

drink it slowly, it's sweet in the mouth, but if I try to rush it, the

stuff gets quite bitter. Very surprising.



I really like Valerian, but when I drink the tea I do have a tendency

to get very silly, rather than very sleepy. I once sent a message out

to many friends on this net, after drinking some Valerian tea; it

said,



    "Fz gubble Valerian 3 cups mok jingjing wooba-wooba Fomp!"



I was laughing hysterically as I typed it. I think what it means is

something fairly close to, "I just drank 3 cups of Valerian and I

_fell_right_over_!"



For those who care about vague esoterica: I have an old booklet on

Japanese herbs, from the Brooklyn Botanical Garden. This book reports

that Japanese Valerian, (_Valeriana_faurei_) is stronger than European

Valerian, _V._officinalis_. If _ANYONE_ here knows where I can get

plants or seeds, I'm EXTREMELY interested. I think Valerian is just

wonderful. (...Yes, if I take it in capsule form, it does seem to make

me rather sleepy. I don't do it very often, but when I need it, it's a

real blessing.)



Cheers --

jon



From miski@KODAK.COM Thu Feb 24 14:19:53 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:19:53 EDT

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Mahmut Miski <miski@KODAK.COM>

Subject: Re: Which came first?



Howie:



>Valerian came first, and there is no Valium in it. They are chemically

>similar, but not the same.

>



Active compounds of Valerian has no chemical similarity to that of

Valium (i.e., benzodiazepine), they are monoterpene lactol valerianic

acid (which is the cause of peculiar smell) esters and are generally

named as valepotriates or valrates.



>

>Howie Brounstein

>Howie@aol.com

>



M. Miski



From pelzel@SOSC1.SOSC.OSSHE.EDU Tue Feb 22 21:37:26 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 11:37:26 -0800

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From: Pat Pelzel <pelzel@SOSC1.SOSC.OSSHE.EDU>

Subject: Metabolism booster



Are there herbs, when combined with aerobic exercise and weight training,

will increase metabolism greater than exercise alone?

                                                                -pat



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Tue Feb 22 23:57:55 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 13:57:55 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: Lethargy, Valerian

In-Reply-To: <9402221409.AA11292@guest.apple.com>



Woody McCandlish has it slightly backwards: Valerian is NOT a

derivative of Valium! Valerian is a plant, and has been around for

thousands or maybe millions of years. Best I understand it, Valium is

a synthetic attempt to mimic the effects of Valerian. I'm not sure

whether the chemical structure is even related. (Anybody here know

anything more about this?)



Cheers!

jon



From etk@PANIX.COM Wed Feb 23 05:47:50 1994

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 22:47:50 -0500

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: Body Tension

In-Reply-To: <199402221404.AA24470@panix.com> from "Woody McCandlish" at Feb

              22, 94 09:01:00 am



Woody,

        If you're trying to relieve body tension here are two suggestions

that will work much better than herbs, which will only provide

symptomatic relief for tension:



        1.  Do some sort of physical exerise regularly.



        2.  Learn to meditate.  Any style you like.  Do this regularly, too.



        3.  Get off the drugs!



Ellen



--

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



From clarkd@SFU.CA Wed Feb 23 11:14:53 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 01:14:53 -0800

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From: Susan Clark <clarkd@SFU.CA>

Subject: address of Dominion Herbal College



Forwarded message:

>From clarkd Mon Feb 21 03:12:33 1994

Subject: addresses

To: herb%trearn@vm.gmd.de.bitnet

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 03:12:33 -0800 (PST)

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in reply to "Mitch Bebel Stargrove"

>               at Feb 19, 94 07:03:10 pm

>

> The address of the DOMINION HERBAL COLLEGE here in Vancouver is:

>

>                 7527 Kingsway, Burnaby, BC

> their tel# is:

>

>                 (604) 521 5822

>

>

> sorry I don't have the postal code, but letters from the US are not

>

> returned if without it (and it might even get there faster!)

>

> There's also the INTERNATIONAL COLLEGE OF TRADITIONAL CHINESE MEDECINE

> at 301-1847 West Broadway; tel: 731-2926



From henninn@RFERL.ORG Wed Feb 23 11:23:03 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 09:23:03 +0000

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From: HenninN <henninn@RFERL.ORG>

Subject: Kudzu



Does anyone know a source for Kudzu, or how it is marketed - capsules, tea,

essence, etc.? Thanks.

_______________________________________________________________________________



From antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU Wed Feb 23 17:26:57 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 10:26:57 -0500

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From: Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Kudzu

In-Reply-To: <9402231443.AA28646@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "HenninN" at Feb 23,

              94 09:23:03 am



>

> Does anyone know a source for Kudzu, or how it is marketed - capsules, tea,

> essence, etc.? Thanks.

>

 _______________________________________________________________________________



Kudzu is usually sold under its Japanese name (after all, it is a

Japanese import), which is "Kuzu" Pronounced "koo-zoo". It can be found

in most health food stores, sold in a chunky-powdered form in small

plastic bags.  In my favorite store, it is sold in the Japanese-cooking

section, along with various types of seaweed, cooking oils, etc.



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 23 18:18:49 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 11:18:49 EST

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From: Ellee Margileth <emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>

Subject: Re: Kudzu



Natalie,



Thanks for the weather report.



What is Kudzu good for?  If you want any, come on down to E. Tennessee.  It is

everywhere although it is dormant now.  There is more than enough.  Whatever you



do, if you plant any, plant it in a container because *it takes over* & kills

things in it's path!!!!!!!  It is a problem in this area and somewhere close by

they have a festival every year.



Ellee Corbin Margileth          *       211 Hoskins Library

Research Services               *       Knoxville, TN  37996-4020

The University of Tenness       *       Phone:  (615) 974-2908

emargile@solar.rtd.utk.edu      *       FAX:    (615) 974-6508



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Thu Feb 24 04:32:54 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 18:32:54 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: Kudzu

In-Reply-To: <9402231451.AA27077@guest.apple.com>



Kudzu _starch_ is marketed in Japanese stores as Kuzu.



If you are anywhere near the Eastern Seaboard, as far north as New

York City, you don't need to worry about marketing, just go out & pick

it. (I have, with my own little eyes, seen Kudzu growing next to the

highway just north of NYC. This is rather frightening, actually.)



Cheers

jon



From antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU Thu Feb 24 17:13:43 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 10:13:43 -0500

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From: Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Kudzu

In-Reply-To: <9402231623.AA10013@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "Ellee Margileth" at

              Feb 23, 94 11:18:49 am



Ellee-

        Do you know how to find out more about the Kudzu Festival in E

Tenn? I'd like to attend. It's one of my favorite plants! Thanks.--



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 24 18:28:32 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:28:32 EST

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From: Ellee Margileth <emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>

Subject: Re: Kudzu



Deborah,



Do you know I don't know much about it?  I just remember hearing about it on the



news one day a year or two ago.  I will try to check into it but it may take me

awhile.



By the way, what are the benefits of kudzu?  I must have missed the initial

message regarding this.  I just know, that when it dies back in the winter, it

is ugly!  Also, that it is out of control here.





Ellee Margileth                 *       211 Hoskins Library

Research Services               *       Knoxville, TN  37996-4020

The University of Tennessee     *       Phone:  (615) 974-2908

emargile@solar.rtd.utk.edu      *       FAX:    (615) 974-6508



From jereese@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Thu Feb 24 18:37:04 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:37:04 -0500

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From: jean reese <jereese@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Re: Kudzu

In-Reply-To: <no.id> from "Deborah Duchon" at Feb 24, 94 10:13:43 am



>

> Ellee-

>         Do you know how to find out more about the Kudzu Festival in E

> Tenn? I'd like to attend. It's one of my favorite plants! Thanks.--



I went in 1990.  It was FUN!  My husband I ate kudzu, watched kudzu

being made into paper and clothing, and generally had a wonderful time.

It was run by the New Prospect Craft Center in Knoxville, and was held

in the World's Fair Park, so you could contact the craft center, or

the World's Fair Park, or the Chamber of Commerce in Knoxville to find

out when it's being held this year.  It was in April in 1990.  I'm from

the area, and my husband loves kudzu ...



The thing I enjoyed most was watching kudzu paper being made.  The first

instructions had me ROTFL, "first you run over the kudzu with your

lawnmower..."



Jean



From VROBERTS%clinfo@UTAHMED.BITNET Thu Feb 24 21:50:37 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 13:50:37 -0600

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From: VALORI ROBERTS <VROBERTS%clinfo@UTAHMED.BITNET>

Subject: Kudzu



Gardening Tips from Down South



   How to Grow Kudzu



   All you beginning gardeners out there might  want to

consider growing kudzu as a fine way to launch out into the

great adventure of gardening in the south.  Kudzu, for those

of you not already familiar with it, is a hardy perennial

that can be grown quite well by the beginner who observes

these few simple rules:



Choosing a Plot:



 Kudzu can be grown almost anywhere, so site selection is

not the problem it is with some other finicky plants like

strawberries.  Although kudzu will grow quite well on

cement, for best result you should select an area having at

least some dirt.  To avoid possible lawsuits, it is

advisable to plant well away from your neighbors house,

unless, of course, you don't get along well with your

neighbor anyway.



Preparing the Soil:



 Go out and stomp on the soil for a while just to get its

attention and to prepare it for kudzu.



Deciding When to Plant:



 Kudzu should always be planted at night.  If kudzu is

planted during daylight hours, angry neighbors might see you

and begin throwing rocks at you.



Selecting the Proper Fertilizer:



 The best fertilizer I have discovered for kudzu is 40

weight non-detergent motor oil.  Kudzu actually doesn't need

anything to help it grow, but the motor oil helps to prevent

scraping the underside of the tender leaves when the kudzu

starts its rapid growth.  It also cuts down on the friction

and lessens the danger of fire when the kudzu really starts

to move.  Change oil once every thousand feet or every two

weeks which ever comes first.



Mulching the Plants:



 Contrary to what may be told by the Extension Service,

kudzu can profit from a good mulch.  I have found that a

heavy mulch for the young plants produces a hardier crop.

For best results, as soon as the young shoots begin to

appear, cover kudzu with concrete blocks.  Although this

causes a temporary setback, your kudzu will accept this

mulch as a challenge and will reward you with redoubled

determination in the long run.



Organic or Chemical Gardenning:



 Kudzu is ideal for either the organic gardener or for those

who prefer to use chemicals to ward off garden pests.  Kudzu

is oblivious to both chemicals and pests.  Therefore, you

can grow organically and let the pests get out of the way of

the kudzu as best they can, or you can spray any commercial

poison directly on your crop.  Your decision depends on how

much you enjoy killing bugs.  The kudzu will not mind either

way.



Crop Rotation:



 Many gardeners are understandably concerned that growing

the same crop year  after  year will deplete the soil.  If

you desire to change from kudzu to some other plant next

year, now is the time to begin preparations.  Right now,

before the growing season has reached its peak, you should

list your house and lot with a reputable real estate agent

and begin making plans to move elsewhere.  Your chances of

selling will be better now than they will be later in the

year, when it may be difficult for a prospective buyer to

realize that underneath those lush  green vines stands an

adorable three-bedroom house.



>From "The American Heritage Dictionary":



==================================================================

==================================================================



Kudzu was introduced to Georgia earlier this century in an

attempt to provide improved fodder for cattle.  It worked

ALL TOO WELL.  Cattle do love kudzu but not nearly as much

as kudzu loves Georgia.  Georgia provides nearly ideal

climate and growing conditions for this rapid growing and

hardy perenial (that's "hardy", as in calling nuclear

weapons "explosive").



People have been known to leave home on vaction down here

only to return a week later to find cars and other LARGE

objects buried under lush its greenery.  It climbs telephone

poles and crosses wires.  It's eradicatio is a major expense

to utility companies.  The City of Atlanta has used

bulldozers to dig up the tubers in vacant lots.  It's

resistant to most "safe" chemicals although 2,4,D has some

effect if used frequently enough.  It's sometimes call

"yard-a-night" down here because that's how fast it seems to

grow.  The only question seems to be whether the "yard"

referred to is that of "3 feet" or that of "front and back".

Rumor has it that some of the roads in the more rural areas

don't get enough traffic and will be covered by kudzu after

a long holiday weekend.



It is a very pretty vine in early spring and summer.  Its

broad leaves and flowers are quite attractive until you

start to realize that the dead stick, that it's sunning

itself on, use to be a huge pine tree.  In the winter, the

first hard frost turns kudzu into tons of ugly brown leaves

and thick vines.  It becomes a real eyesore and possibly a

fire hazard although I haven't heard of any actual kudzu

fires.  The plant regrows new vines from the ground up every

year, so you can see its growth rate must be phenomenal.



I understand that the Japanese make a highly regarded form

of tofu from kudzu tubers.  It is supposed to be prized for

its nutty flavor (soy tofu is rather bland).  The Japanese

cannot produce enough to meet their own demand and think

we're NUTS for trying to eliminate it.  I haven't been able

to confirm this use for kudzu, but, if true, they may well

be right.  We've got plenty of hungry people and LOTS of

kudzu!



The existance of kudzu in a neigborhood has been known to,

adversely, affect property values.  The threat of planting

kudzu in someone's yard is generally considered an extreme

case of "fightin' words", potentially followed by "justifiable

homicide".  Regardless, you can still obtain kudzu seed from

several major seed companies who list it as a "hardy

ornamental perennial".  If understatement was a crime they'd

be history.



From VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU Thu Feb 24 22:41:22 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 15:41:22 EST

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From: Vance Reese <VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Re: Kudzu



We have a poster of the Tenth Annual Kudzu Festival which was

held in downtown Knoxville, TN, a few years back.

Among other exhibits of arts and crafts, they had

kudzu relish served on some sandwiches,

kudzu paper available for sale (and for making)

kudzu crafts...

There's a book (which I can't lay my hands on now) entitled:

(I think) The Kudzu Book

which says how to make the flour from the roots

how to harvest the leaves and flowers for culinary purposes,

and how to get the fiber from the kudzu vines to make clothes

(they especially are good for summer wear, being very breatheable).

Along with Ms. Margileth, my wife (Jean) and I are from East TN.

I especially miss the grape-ish smell of kudzu blooming in late summer.



--Vance Reese (now living --*sigh*-- in Indiana)



From POC01@ALBNYDH2.BITNET Thu Feb 24 23:51:26 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 16:51:26 EST

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From: Patricia E OConnor <POC01@ALBNYDH2.BITNET>

Subject: Kudzu

In-Reply-To: note of Thu,

              24 Feb 1994 13:50:37 -0600 from VALORI ROBERTS

              <VROBERTS%clinfo@UTAHMED.BITNET>



Great write up! It gave me a chuckle which I really needed today.

Things have been a bit testy since Thanksgiving, mostly small stuff

that has just built up. I could really use some positive energy sent

my way.  Waiting for spring hoping it will help get me out of this funk.

BTW -- listowner -- the address for this list when I try to reply gets

kick out as no good (something about ctrl-end.cntrl-crlf). If I delete

"Medicinal....list\"." then it goes through. Where is the \"." coming from

. Have a nice day -- I really enjoy reading the stuff from this list--

thanks again  Patti



* Patricia E. O'Connor                  POC01@ALBNYDH2

* N.Y.S. Health Department

* Empire State Plaza Tower - Room 1219  1-800-638-3808

* Albany, N.Y. 12236                    (518) 473-7192



From VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU Fri Feb 25 20:38:02 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 13:38:02 EST

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From: Vance Reese <VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Re: Kudzu



Thanks!! for the humorous stuff on gardening tips and other info on kudzu!

One of the virtues of the plant is (as you could tell from the posting)

the plant's hardiness.  This is why one sees it growing along railroad

tracks a lot:  the vine has helped the soil together to prevent erosion.

This was introduced some time ago, though I don't know if it was the

reason for importing the plant from Japan.



It was also nice to read Jean's posting here.  (She's my wife.)

--Vance



From antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU Sat Feb 26 20:55:40 1994

Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 13:55:40 -0500

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From: Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject: Re: Kudzu

In-Reply-To: <9402251839.AA04684@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "Vance Reese" at Feb 25,



              94 01:38:02 pm



Someone asked if kudzu was imported from Japan because it helped stopped

erosion. The anser is yes, that was part of the reason. At that time,

the soil in the South had been destroyed by cotton and erosion was a

really big problem. There were massive projects started just to get

kudzu to grow. There was even a Kudzu CLub of America that was dedicated

to getting a million acres of Southern lands growing kudzu.



It did the trick. Not only does kudzu stop soil erosion, but, being a

legume, it adds nitrogen to the soil. Also, being deciduous, its leaves

die back every fall and turn to mulch.  A totally eroded field, left to

fallow in kudzu, is usable again in three years. That's pretty good.



The problem is that it grows *so fast* and *so vertically* (up trees.

strangling them). Overall, though, kudzu is one terrific plant.  --



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From clarkd@SFU.CA Wed Feb 23 11:24:20 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 01:24:20 -0800

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

              <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Susan Clark <clarkd@SFU.CA>

Subject: warts!!



Re : warts!!

> >

> > Well, my friend had warts for many years on her hands and found them

> > painful as they grew (around the cuticle, I should say,

> > where they push; the

> > warts themselves weren't painful). Eventually a friend took her -- as

> > they happened to be visiting the Ottawa Valley (here in Canada) -- to

> > a wart charmer. (This was after her father, who is a doctor, had tried

> > "everything" over the years.)

> >

> > The wart charmer was from a Hebridean family who had

> > passed the charm down from father to daughter and mother to son (it

> > goes to offspring of the opposite sex, apparently). They chatted and

> > had tea, and the purpose of the visit seemed almost forgotten;

> > finally, just as they were saying goodbye, the man took my friend's

> > hands in his and said something, mumblingly, and then "threw her hands

> > away" as she puts it. He had enjoined her very strictly that she not thank

> > him as that spoiled the charm, and so they left. She forgot about it

> > -- doing a degree then in Toronto and very busy -- until she

> > noticed that her

> > painful warts were fading. This was about six or seven years after the

> > warts had first started to trouble her. ... In a few months, they were

> > gone.

> >

> > So, there you are. I like this story, as perhaps you can tell. In

> > fact, I can't say it sounds "far-fetched" particularly. Might be

> > coincidental -- but of course, so might any treatment and cure!

> >

> > Plantar's warts are painful, and I know they differ from common warts.

> > (I've had both, briefly; and both, in my case responded to minimal and

> > conventional treatments). I wonder whether they'd respond differently

> > to charms?

> >

> > I could find the name of this man if you need it. I didn't notice

> > where you were writing from, but perhaps posting to another board

> > (wmnsprt-l?) might begin to help you locate someone closer to your

> > area.

> >

> > good luck, email me privately if you need more information,

> >

> > Susan

> > clarkd@sfu.ca

> >

>

> to the list owner:

>

> This post looks like someone else's text (all those >> marks down the

> side) because it came back to me complaining that there was no such

> destination (I used the R or reply function to send it -- I'm using ELM).

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>



From jtreasure@JONNO.DEMON.CO.UK Wed Feb 23 18:29:12 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:29:12 +0000

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From: Jonathan Treasure <jtreasure@JONNO.DEMON.CO.UK>

Subject: Thoughts on Labels in USA



Having just returned to the UK from a trip to the pacific north west, I now

understand why there are  often queries about herbal products on this list.

I don't know if these comments will be useful but here goes with the Brit

input....apologies in advance if I'm stating the obvious.



The local HFS there (ok, Eugene OR. may be in the top league for this)

carries no less than seven different brands of herbal tinctures on the

shelves. Taking Echinacea as a popular example, each supplier had at least

two, some had three or four Echinacea preparations, either as simples or in

combination; ie  a staggering 15-20 Echinacea tincture preparations are

available in one store.

 (Before you start on capsules etc etc).



Presumably because they are classed as foodstuffs the labelling of herbal

products seems to be somewhat arbitary in the US, often based more on

grabbing the potential purchasers dollar than on providing accurate

information. (eg " Herp - eze" ) Some suppliers may be well intentioned but

anyway all Labels SHOULD carry the following information: (illustrated for

Echinacea)



1. Species used (E.angustifolia, E. purpurea, and if both, what proportion)

2.Certified Origin of plant (organically wildcrafted)

3. Parts used (herb or root)

4. Strength of solvent (45-55% ethanol herb, 75% root)

5. Concentration of plant to solvent (1:4 or 1:5)

6. Date of manufacture and batch no.

7. Doseage for acute AND chronic conditions (these are often different,

acute =double chronic for E.spp.)

8.Contraindications and warnings (eg prolonged useage E. will actually

suppress immune function)



Only two Echinacea  products in that store came near to satisfying these

criteria - and neither did so fully. However if you use accurate labelling

as a guide you know that the manufacturer is trying, and you can at least

compare like with like .  Since the price for a 30ml bottle ranged from

$7.25 thru $13.00 it seems like a sensible approach to only buy what you

know youre buying, you may well be being ripped off as well as risking over

or underdosing etc.



 Conclusion: read the label and reject any product without full

information....or call the manufacturer for the missing info.



Since the majority of common medicinal herbs can be prepared from fresh or

dried plant as infusions in water- this can be a better route to

guaranteeing dose - if you can purchase the herb in this form. The best way

to do that is to buy wholesale from a reputable supplier ( or where

appropriate pick/grow your own) and build up your own herbal medicine

cupboard. Indeed it is often important to take an infusion rather than a

tincture where alcohol may cause irritation eg urinary tract infections.



Finally, if you are self prescribing as it seems most people on the

HERBLISTSERV  of necessity or choice are - check an authoritative medical

herbal (eg Weiss). Doseage is a serious issue and there are several

different philosophies - all of which must be tailored to the individuals

own responsiveness.



Herbs aside,  I only wish we had wholefood stores like that in the uk....yum.



Jonathan Treasure

jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk



From robbee@CRL.COM Thu Feb 24 07:34:11 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 21:34:11 -0800

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Thoughts on Labels in USA

In-Reply-To: <199402232345.AA09465@crl.crl.com>



Well Jonathan,

   It would be great to be able to standardize all the natural plants in

such a way as to guarantee their percentage of active ingredients. If you

label (for example) Red Clover as having <0.8% coumarins> fresh plant,

are you really able to test every source/lot# for the percentage? Not if

you want to keep herbs below the price of chemical drugs. I have prepared

tinctures for homeopathic remedies and I have seen the chromatographic

results. Plants can vary widely in their levels of constituents. Unless

you are preparing tinctures or herbs that are known to be liabilities to

the public lay people, why would you want to be so specific and could you

guarantee this without raising the cost (incredibly) of herbs?

If it works....why fix it?



             ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

             :           robbee@crl.com             :

             : Robert   Box 721 Healdsburg CA 95448 :

             ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::



On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Jonathan Treasure wrote:



> Having just returned to the UK from a trip to the pacific north west, I now

> understand why there are  often queries about herbal products on this list.

> I don't know if these comments will be useful but here goes with the Brit

> input....apologies in advance if I'm stating the obvious.

>

> The local HFS there (ok, Eugene OR. may be in the top league for this)

> carries no less than seven different brands of herbal tinctures on the

> shelves. Taking Echinacea as a popular example, each supplier had at least

> two, some had three or four Echinacea preparations, either as simples or in

> combination; ie  a staggering 15-20 Echinacea tincture preparations are

> available in one store.

>  (Before you start on capsules etc etc).

>

> Presumably because they are classed as foodstuffs the labelling of herbal

> products seems to be somewhat arbitary in the US, often based more on

> grabbing the potential purchasers dollar than on providing accurate

> information. (eg " Herp - eze" ) Some suppliers may be well intentioned but

> anyway all Labels SHOULD carry the following information: (illustrated for

> Echinacea)

>

> 1. Species used (E.angustifolia, E. purpurea, and if both, what proportion)

> 2.Certified Origin of plant (organically wildcrafted)

> 3. Parts used (herb or root)

> 4. Strength of solvent (45-55% ethanol herb, 75% root)

> 5. Concentration of plant to solvent (1:4 or 1:5)

> 6. Date of manufacture and batch no.

> 7. Doseage for acute AND chronic conditions (these are often different,

> acute =double chronic for E.spp.)

> 8.Contraindications and warnings (eg prolonged useage E. will actually

> suppress immune function)

>

> Only two Echinacea  products in that store came near to satisfying these

> criteria - and neither did so fully. However if you use accurate labelling

> as a guide you know that the manufacturer is trying, and you can at least

> compare like with like .  Since the price for a 30ml bottle ranged from

> $7.25 thru $13.00 it seems like a sensible approach to only buy what you

> know youre buying, you may well be being ripped off as well as risking over

> or underdosing etc.

>

>  Conclusion: read the label and reject any product without full

> information....or call the manufacturer for the missing info.

>

> Since the majority of common medicinal herbs can be prepared from fresh or

> dried plant as infusions in water- this can be a better route to

> guaranteeing dose - if you can purchase the herb in this form. The best way

> to do that is to buy wholesale from a reputable supplier ( or where

> appropriate pick/grow your own) and build up your own herbal medicine

> cupboard. Indeed it is often important to take an infusion rather than a

> tincture where alcohol may cause irritation eg urinary tract infections.

>

> Finally, if you are self prescribing as it seems most people on the

> HERBLISTSERV  of necessity or choice are - check an authoritative medical

> herbal (eg Weiss). Doseage is a serious issue and there are several

> different philosophies - all of which must be tailored to the individuals

> own responsiveness.

>

> Herbs aside,  I only wish we had wholefood stores like that in the uk....yum.

>

> Jonathan Treasure

> jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk

>



From CARVER@LIB.IS.TCU.EDU Wed Feb 23 19:03:46 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 11:03:46 -0600

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From: Beverly <CARVER@LIB.IS.TCU.EDU>

Subject: folliculitis



As a result of taking mega-doses of antibiotics for 20 days following

surgery nearly a year ago, I have developed folliculitis. I keep hoping

my body will normalize itself, but recently it has gotten worse. I

have alreacy tried taking acidophilus, but it had no effect. Does anyone

have any suggestions for getting my system back in balance?



From JBAYLISS@PSUHMC.BITNET Wed Feb 23 19:12:17 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 12:12:17 EST

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From: Judy <JBAYLISS@PSUHMC.BITNET>

Subject: Re: folliculitis

In-Reply-To: Message of Wed,

              23 Feb 1994 11:03:46 -0600 from <CARVER@LIB.IS.TCU.EDU>



I'm assuming this is some form of candida infection ?  If it is, take a

look at a copy of 'The Yeast Connection', it contains every thing you

ever wanted to know about yeast infections, including address/phone no.

of where to inquire about a doctor in you area that treats yeast over-

growth.  It may be that you need to take Nystatin along with the acid-

ophilus, it has to be prescribed by a doctor.  Otherwise, it tells you

what foods to avoid, etc.

Judy

On Wed, 23 Feb 1994 11:03:46 -0600 Beverly said:

>As a result of taking mega-doses of antibiotics for 20 days following

>surgery nearly a year ago, I have developed folliculitis. I keep hoping

>my body will normalize itself, but recently it has gotten worse. I

>have alreacy tried taking acidophilus, but it had no effect. Does anyone

>have any suggestions for getting my system back in balance?

>    folliculitis

>



JUDY BAYLISS

JBAYLISS@PSUHMC



From GIBBS@MIDD.CC.MIDDLEBURY.EDU Wed Feb 23 19:24:00 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 12:24:00 EST

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From: GIBBS@MIDD.CC.MIDDLEBURY.EDU

Subject: Re: folliculitis



Hi,

What are the symptoms of folliculitis?

Thanks,

lesley



From GIBBS@MIDD.CC.MIDDLEBURY.EDU Wed Feb 23 19:28:00 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 12:28:00 EST

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: GIBBS@MIDD.CC.MIDDLEBURY.EDU

Subject: Re: folliculitis



Try to set a hold of the book: Candida Albicans ;guide to a yeast free

diet.  You may want to consider radically anylyzing your diet in

combination with faithful doses of Maxi Bifidus.  Please do

look into the research on yeast overgrowth; there are other books

available on the subject besides the one I mentioned.



From CARVER@LIB.IS.TCU.EDU Wed Feb 23 23:26:11 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:26:11 -0600

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From: Beverly <CARVER@LIB.IS.TCU.EDU>

Subject: Re: folliculitis



More information about folliculitis:



As my doctor explained it to me, the antibiotic wiped out all my gram

negative bacteria, allowing the gram positive to take over (or it

wiped out the positive--I cant' remember which one), anyway, the

result is that my hair follicles have become infected. It manifests

itself as tiny little bumps on my chest and back--lots of them.

Sometimes they become small pustules, other never surface. We tried

different oral antibiotics and topical drying agents (retin-A, benzol

peroxide, topical antiobiotics) off and on for about six months, but it

only improved temporarily. I think the doctor was afraid to keep me on

any of the antibiotics for very long for fear that is might cause

another problem. I finally gave up on traditional medicine. My

reasoning for using the acidolphilus tablets was to re-introduce some

bacteria into my system, but it had no effect.



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Thu Feb 24 07:33:16 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 21:33:16 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: folliculitis



Take lots of healthy bacteria; acidophilus is good but variety is better.

That is the essential first step. beyond that it is impossible to generalize.

It might be essential to understand what was happening that brought about the su



rgery, as surgery addresses symptoms not underlying patterns.



Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From vsadovsk@DEV3.CTC.EDU Thu Feb 24 00:40:52 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 14:40:52 PST

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From: Valerie Sadovsky <vsadovsk@DEV3.CTC.EDU>

Subject: Any Russians?



Hi everyone!



I'm trying to match Russian herb names with English/American ones.  I can't find



an "herb" dictionary, so it's quite a problem.  Are there some other Russian

fellows but me?



Hope to hear from somebody.                Valerie (vsadovsk@dev3.ctc.edu)



From etk@PANIX.COM Thu Feb 24 06:59:24 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 23:59:24 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: Any Russians?

In-Reply-To: <199402232243.AA24008@panix.com> from "Valerie Sadovsky" at Feb

              23, 94 02:40:52 pm



Valerie Sadovsky wrote:

: I'm trying to match Russian herb names with English/American ones.  I can't

 find

: an "herb" dictionary, so it's quite a problem.  Are there some other Russian

: fellows but me?



Well, I'm half Russian, but third generation American, so that won't help.



But! Try getting 2 books that list the Latin names of herbs: English to

Latin and Russian to Latin. Latin is the lingua franca for plant

classification.



Ellen



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  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

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From agenfan%rcnvax.dnet@DECGW.RCN.MASS.EDU Thu Feb 24 21:39:17 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 14:39:17 -0500

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From: Anna Genfan <agenfan%rcnvax.dnet@DECGW.RCN.MASS.EDU>

Subject: Re: Any Russians?



Preevet, Valerie! I am from Moscow, now is living in USA.

I will try to help you.         Anna

                                agenfan@ecn.mass.edu



From juliapq@U.WASHINGTON.EDU Thu Feb 24 03:05:07 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 17:05:07 -0800

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From: Julia Henderson <juliapq@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>

Subject: Panic Disorder

In-Reply-To: <9402231242.AA16959@tolstoy.u.washington.edu>



First time greetings from a new lurker!



I have been diagnosed as having panic disorder, possibly related to SAD

(seasonal affective disorder).



I am taking 10mg of Paxil a day.  Paxil is a new anti-depressant, is not

addictive, and has minimal side effects which I have not felt.  Other

than suggesting excercise (which I get by folk dancing HARD 2 nights a

week), I have been told that there is not much I can do.  The Paxil does

help.



Anybody out there have any less chemical actions I can take?



Julia Henderson

juliapq@u.washington.edu



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Thu Feb 24 05:07:06 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 19:07:06 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

In-Reply-To: <9402240105.AA04148@guest.apple.com>



There was an article in Scientific American in 1969 about something

that may be related. At that time the condition was called "Anxiety

Neurosis", but that article pointed out the inadequacy of that name.

They described people who had panic attacks with palpitations of the

heart, feelings of impending doom, etc.



Upon investigation, it turned out that these people showed elevated

lactic acid levels in their blood.



The treatment of choice was ingestion of rapidly-absorbed forms of

Calcium. (NOT milk!) Since it is a good idea to combine magnesium with

calcium, you might try chewable bonemeal, dolomite, or other

calcium-magnesium combination tablets if the description matches your

symptoms, and see whether that helps you.  Should take effect within

about 20 minutes, IF you are indeed suffering from elevated lactic

acid, and IF you do it on an empty stomach.



Please let us know whether this helps you!



Why I have heard _nothing_ about this work since 1969, I have no idea.

Just doesn't make sense to me. Did your physicians check your

blood-lactate level before putting you on Paxil?



Cheers

jon



From etk@PANIX.COM Thu Feb 24 06:54:39 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 23:54:39 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

In-Reply-To: <199402240105.AA20533@panix.com> from "Julia Henderson" at Feb 23,



              94 05:05:07 pm



Julia Henderson wrote:

: First time greetings from a new lurker!

:

: I have been diagnosed as having panic disorder, possibly related to SAD

: (seasonal affective disorder).

:

Julia,

        A few studies about SAD recommend the use of light boxes for as

little as 1/2 hour a day.  I believe Columbia Presbyterian Hospital and

perhaps NY Hospital (will someone reading this please correct me if I'm

wrong), both in NYC, have programs for SAD and possibly sell or recommend

the type of box to get.  Also, try looking up keywords realted to sad

using wais, veronica, et al, or try some of the obvious newsgroups as

there probably are more studies than the ones I've read about in the

local press.  Columbia P (if you live nearby) is giving (again I believe)

free treatement to those who qualify.



        But, why resort to artificial light? Go outside! Take a walk for

at least 1/2 hour (try more or more short walks) and get some light into

your life.  And you can use natural spectrum bulbs instead of GE's or

fluroscent.  Some made in Finland (again, I think it's Finland) are good

and are sold in health food stores and some large  housewares stores.



        Also, you may find some relief with the correct Bach Flower

Remedy or combination of remedies.  These are sold in good health food

stores and it's worth buying one of the inexpensive paperback books that

describe what each is good for.  I've found the ones I've taken (more for

depression than anxiety...although rescue remedy has helped me sleep)

effective.  I do take a bit more than they recommend.  Also, the store

may have the phamphlet that Bach puts out describing the effects of each

in a few lines.



        If you meditate regularly, it should (over time for some, quickly

for others) help with anxiety and panic.  So would exercise and massage.



        Then, you might consider psychotherapy.



        If you can function w/o the anti-anxiety drug, try not to take it

while you're trying out natural remedies, so you can see their effect on

your natural condition and so they can work completely, w/o having to

fight their way through an artificial drug, which could counteract them.



Good luck.



Ellen



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  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Thu Feb 24 07:38:22 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 21:38:22 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder



Paxil does not address the underlying causes.

There are many excellent Naturopathic Doctors (NDs) in the Seattle area.

I would treat you with acupuncture, homeopathy, herbs and nutrition if you came

to me. We have a high rate of success.



Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From robbee@CRL.COM Thu Feb 24 07:51:35 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 21:51:35 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

In-Reply-To: <199402240112.AA20936@crl.crl.com>



   I lived for seven years in Oregon and know a lot about SAD. I was

going to the Oregon College of Oriental Medicine and having a bad time

with my studies about the second year. I moved there from Santa Cruz CA

and never thought about missing the sun (didn't have time).

   Stop the drugs  Stop the drugs...that's my advice. Just because the

drug comes with a little pamphlet that says "adverse reactions" and just

because you don't "feel" anything doesn't mean it is your best bet.

   Because I was going to school for herbology, drugs were only a last

resort, one that I never had to opt for. Plenty of my freinds did and

none of them were able to deal with it, long term.

   I bought a set of lights which I turned on upon arising and read, studied,

vcr'd and ate breakfast under them. It worked for me and anyone else I

know whom I told.

   I can't believe your MD didn't tell you about them (no...I believe)

It will change your routine a bit but it was worth it for me. Good Luck.



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             : Robert   Box 721 Healdsburg CA 95448 :

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On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Julia Henderson wrote:



> First time greetings from a new lurker!

>

> I have been diagnosed as having panic disorder, possibly related to SAD

> (seasonal affective disorder).

>

> I am taking 10mg of Paxil a day.  Paxil is a new anti-depressant, is not

> addictive, and has minimal side effects which I have not felt.  Other

> than suggesting excercise (which I get by folk dancing HARD 2 nights a

> week), I have been told that there is not much I can do.  The Paxil does

> help.

>

> Anybody out there have any less chemical actions I can take?

>

> Julia Henderson

> juliapq@u.washington.edu

>



From juliapq@U.WASHINGTON.EDU Thu Feb 24 07:57:49 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 21:57:49 -0800

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From: Julia Henderson <juliapq@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

In-Reply-To: <9402240508.AA07775@tolstoy.u.washington.edu>



On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Ellen Kessler wrote:



>         But, why resort to artificial light? Go outside! Take a walk for

> at least 1/2 hour (try more or more short walks) and get some light into

> your life.



HAHAHAHAHAHA! I guess I neglected to mention that I live in Seattle! :-)

It's my first winter here, and I don't *feel* depressed, but apparently it's

affecting me.



 Julia Henderson

juliapq@u.washington.edu



From robbee@CRL.COM Thu Feb 24 08:16:34 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 22:16:34 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

In-Reply-To: <199402240516.AA09227@crl.crl.com>



If walking in the overcast world of the Northwest worked for SAD, there

would be very little SAD in the country. I am an avid walker/hiker and

when I had SAD (bad) it seemed to exacerbate the condition. I am told

this is the case, that when persons with SAD spent MORE time out of doors

the condition worsened somewhat.



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             : Robert   Box 721 Healdsburg CA 95448 :

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From robbee@CRL.COM Thu Feb 24 08:22:42 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 22:22:42 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

In-Reply-To: <199402240605.AA14945@crl.crl.com>



Gee, I guess people think because you have SAD you must've just fell off

the turnip truck? I went through three yaers of SAD when it was first

being recognized and treated. Exercise is good, walk is good. SAD is bad.

Neither seemed to help, perhaps because I have always done these things.

The only thing I can tell you as a person who successfully cured the

condition itself: the lights work. Getting out more didn't.

(Moving back to California was better)



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On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Julia Henderson wrote:



> On Wed, 23 Feb 1994, Ellen Kessler wrote:

>

> >         But, why resort to artificial light? Go outside! Take a walk for

> > at least 1/2 hour (try more or more short walks) and get some light into

> > your life.

>

>

>

> HAHAHAHAHAHA! I guess I neglected to mention that I live in Seattle! :-)

> It's my first winter here, and I don't *feel* depressed, but apparently it's

> affecting me.

>

>  Julia Henderson

> juliapq@u.washington.edu

>



From ISENHOUR@FNLIB.BITNET Thu Feb 24 15:49:00 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 07:49:00 CST

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From: John Isenhour <ISENHOUR@FNLIB.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder



SAD is sometimes improved by lengthening the total photoperiod, some people are

helped by extending it with lights in the morning, some in the evening.  It

used to be assumed that certain frequencies of light were more important, and

some kinda really expensive lights were sold (I think the brand is mentioned in

the NYAS Annal _The Biological and Medical Effects of Light_)  I believe recent

research concludes that its more foot candles or light intensity that can reset

circadian rythems that are intimately involved in affect.  There is a non

visual neural pathway from the eye to the suprachiasmatic nucleus in the

hypothalamus (and area involved in affect and generating body rythems) but its

this is getting a little off topic for this list.



-john



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Fri Feb 25 07:15:04 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 21:15:04 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

In-Reply-To: <9402241402.AA09567@guest.apple.com>



I think my post on this failed to get out. (If not, if I'm just

repeating myself, please forgive me.)



Scientific American published an article in 1969 on this general

subject. What they found was that many people who had panic attacks

also had elevated levels of lactic acid in their blood.



The treatment of choice is rapidly absorbed calcium, which apparently

chelates the lactate ion. When I say "rapidly absorbed", I am

specifically EXCLUDING milk, which is not a good calcium source. You

might try chewable bonemeal or dolomite tablets, for example. (It is

apparently a good idea to combine magnesium & calcium, and to avoid

taking either one without the other.)



If you take calcium on an empty stomach, you should get relief within

20 or 30 minutes IF excess lactic acid is your problem. If not, well,

it won't cost you a whole lot to find out!



Cheers!

jon



From etk@PANIX.COM Thu Feb 24 07:02:51 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 00:02:51 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Japanese Valerian Seeds

In-Reply-To: <199402232159.AA15066@panix.com> from "Jon Singer" at Feb 23,

              94 01:57:30 pm



Why not start with the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens? They may not have it,

but they'd know who would.  You might have to import it from Japan.



Have you looked at the larger herb catalogs? Some of the botany,

gardening, newsgroups?



Ellen



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  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

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From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Thu Feb 24 07:21:43 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 21:21:43 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: Japanese Valerian Seeds

In-Reply-To: <9402240508.AA06343@guest.apple.com>



Hmmm! Ellen Kessler suggests that I start by asking the BBG. Now, why

didn't _I_ think of that? It's so bloody straightforward! Sigh. I will

jot them a note or something. I'm sure they have an herb curator; I've

_met_ their rose curator!



I'm also going to look at my Richters catalog when it arrives, but

even there I'm not particularly hopeful: I don't think I've ever seen

any mention of this species outside of my little handbook.



Cheers!

jon



From etk@PANIX.COM Thu Feb 24 08:08:32 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 01:08:32 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Excuse Me



Ignore this message.  Sorry.

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  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

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From etk@PANIX.COM Thu Feb 24 08:19:29 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 01:19:29 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: A SAD Walk on a Cloudy Day

In-Reply-To: <199402240616.AA16861@panix.com> from "John Robert Bidleman" at

              Feb 23, 94 10:16:34 pm



John Robert Bidleman wrote:

:

: If walking in the overcast world of the Northwest worked for SAD, there

: would be very little SAD in the country. I am an avid walker/hiker and

: when I had SAD (bad) it seemed to exacerbate the condition. I am told

: this is the case, that when persons with SAD spent MORE time out of doors

: the condition worsened somewhat.

:



I heard a doctor who is currently researching SAD recommend cloudy-day

walks for SAD during a TV interview.  I don't remember his name, but I'm

sure about the quote.



Guess we can only conclude...different things work for different folks.



Ellen



  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

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From robbee@CRL.COM Thu Feb 24 09:40:26 1994

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 23:40:26 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: A SAD Walk on a Cloudy Day

In-Reply-To: <199402240629.AA17440@crl.crl.com>



Whatever. After three years of dealing with, reading about and treating SAD

I'm sure one half-remembered reference from an M.D. is more advisable.



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             : Robert   Box 721 Healdsburg CA 95448 :

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> I heard a doctor who is currently researching SAD recommend cloudy-day

> walks for SAD during a TV interview.  I don't remember his name, but I'm

> sure about the quote.

>

> Guess we can only conclude...different things work for different folks.

>

> Ellen

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

>   .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

>   .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

>   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

>



From etk@PANIX.COM Fri Feb 25 01:49:13 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:49:13 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: A SAD Walk on a Cloudy Day

In-Reply-To: <199402240741.AA23164@panix.com> from "John Robert Bidleman" at

              Feb 23, 94 11:40:26 pm



John Robert Bidleman wrote:

: Whatever. After three years of dealing with, reading about and treating SAD

: I'm sure one half-remembered reference from an M.D. is more advisable.



In reply to Ellen Kessler:

: > I heard a doctor who is currently researching SAD recommend cloudy-day

: > walks for SAD during a TV interview.  I don't remember his name, but I'm

: > sure about the quote.

: >

: > Guess we can only conclude...different things work for different folks.



My, my John...I wouldn't (and didn't) say that the M.D. was right and you

were wrong.  I said that you are not representative of all people, that

the doctor had some patients who reacted differently.



And, if you're as sensitive to the way your advice is perceived as your

message implies, perhaps you should consider what people are likely to

think after reading messages like the one I am responding to.



Ellen



From JHENKE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU Thu Feb 24 16:12:57 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 09:12:57 EST

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From: josephine Henke <JHENKE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: mild depression



Are there any herbal treatments for mild depression? Where do I get them

in Indiana?



                                        JJ jhenke@ucs.indiana.edu



From VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU Thu Feb 24 23:09:03 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 16:09:03 EST

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From: Vance Reese <VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Re: mild depression



I read from one of my herb books that these will help to

"strengthen and support" the nervous system:



wild oats, ginseng, damiana, vervain, skullcap, wood betony



to "raise the spirits":



lemon balm, rosemary, St. John's wort, borage,



Also, consider increasing the B vitamin intake.



Many of these herbs can be found in Bloomingfoods in Bloomington.

Whether these are raised and dried in Indiana, I don't know.



--Vance



From etk@PANIX.COM Fri Feb 25 00:11:27 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 17:11:27 -0500

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Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: mild depression

In-Reply-To: <199402242128.AA15970@panix.com> from "Vance Reese" at Feb 24,

              94 04:09:03 pm



--

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  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



From etk@PANIX.COM Fri Feb 25 00:18:41 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 17:18:41 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: mild depression

In-Reply-To: <199402242128.AA15970@panix.com> from "Vance Reese" at Feb 24,

              94 04:09:03 pm



:

: I read from one of my herb books that these will help to

: "strengthen and support" the nervous system:

:

: wild oats, ginseng, damiana, vervain, skullcap, wood betony

:

: to "raise the spirits":

:

: lemon balm, rosemary, St. John's wort, borage,

:

A SPECIFIC COMMENT:

Be careful of ginseng, on some people it reacts like caffeine or a strong

stimulant.



A GENERAL COMMENT:

It's important to know what you're doing when you combine herbs.  The

action of herbs is synergistic.  One might counteract another, or it

could increase it's strength, or it might be totally unsuitable to the

individual manifesting a sympton which, if suffered by another person, it

would be appropriate for.



If you don't know what you're doing, and want to try herbs on your own,

try one or a few at a time and record the effect.  Get to know how you

respond to specific herbs.  And get a book that describes how herbs work

in combination.  The Yoga of Herbs by Vasant Lad is a good starting point.



Ellen



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  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

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From VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU Fri Feb 25 20:43:14 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 13:43:14 EST

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From: Vance Reese <VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Re: mild depression



Thanks, Ellen, for offering your word of caution to my posting on

what herbs might be helpful for mild depression.

I certainly support your views about being careful, paying attention

to each individual herb's effects, and taking a more holistic view in

general.  A danger I run into is treating herbs like Western medicine,

i.e., as magic cure rather than a whole system of health.

--Vance



From howieb1991@AOL.COM Fri Feb 25 22:46:53 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 15:46:53 EST

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From: Howie Brounstein <howieb1991@AOL.COM>

Subject: mild depression



I totally agree with Ellen,



When learning a new herb, I believe you should use it alone, if possible,

to understandstand how it feels in your body.

Even if a combination works on a specific problem, if your object is to learn

about a specific herb, you will never know which one of the combo helped you.



Howie



Howieb1991@aol.com



From rlamons@TJHSST.VAK12ED.EDU Thu Feb 24 17:27:29 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 10:27:29 EST

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From: "Robert L. Lamons (Bob)" <rlamons@TJHSST.VAK12ED.EDU>

Subject: Flower & Herb

In-Reply-To: <9402240511.AA20677@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu>; from "Ellen Kessler" at

              Feb 23, 94 11:54 pm



I kow that you need to use certain homeopathinc remedies to match your own makeu



p or the makeup of the patient.  My question is .... is the same true when using



 herbs and flower remedies?  Do you have to match?  Can remedy A be used to cure



 caughing in everyone or would you use A in some peole and B in others.?



An answer would help me decide if you can trust the info with the packages and d



isplays.  This is for pus, this is for fever, etc.



--

-------------------------------------------------------

robert l lamons              rlamons@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu

Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology

A Fairfax County Public School in Northern Virginia

-------------------------------------------------------



From etk@PANIX.COM Fri Feb 25 01:15:43 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:15:43 -0500

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: Flower & Herb

In-Reply-To: <199402241950.AA26111@panix.com> from "Robert L. Lamons" at Feb

              24, 94 10:27:29 am



Robert L. Lamons wrote: :  : I kow that you need to use certain

homeopathinc remedies to match your own makeup or the makeup of the

patient.  My question is .... is the same true when using herbs and flower

remedies?  Do you have to match?  Can rem edy A be used to cure caughing

in ev: eryone or would you use A in some peole and B in others.? :  : An

answer would help me decide if you can trust the info with the packages

and displays.  This is for pus, this is for fever, etc.

:

Well, you can trust some of the information.



One should never lose sight of the person being treated, though for

simple things (will camomile relax you more than valerian?) it probably

doesn't matter much (unless you are allergic to one of them).



Speaking for myself, I respond to some of the homeopathic pckages that

say things like "Injury" and not to others.  Some herbs are not good for

me to take, some herbs are not good for anyone to take for more than a

week or so.



You're dealing with a complicated and sophisticated body of knowledge.

Respect it while picking the daisies.



Ellen



--

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  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



From JHENKE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU Fri Feb 25 05:24:54 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 22:24:54 EST

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From: josephine Henke <JHENKE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Re: Flower & Herb



         I know that's been used, but my previous message bounced.  Can anybody

suggest herbal/natural remedies for mild depression?  I'm not on any medication

for it and I'd like to stay that way, but diet and exercise don't quite make

the grade any more.



                                        JJ or jhenke@ucs.indiana.edu



From mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG Fri Feb 25 09:57:14 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 23:57:14 -0800

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From: Mitch Bebel Stargrove <mstargrove@IGC.APC.ORG>

Subject: Re: Flower & Herb



any medicine works better when it has greater resonance with the person.

the greater the subtlety of the remedy, e.g. dilution, the greater the need for

an exact match.

herbs working in gross doses will work better if they are more exact -

the bent form of Echinacea indicates that it will work better with those

who get sick due to exhaustion, but it will help others still.

an herb for  a dry cough will be different from one for a wet cough,

some will work in either situation.



Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc



From rlamons@TJHSST.VAK12ED.EDU Fri Feb 25 14:04:52 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 07:04:52 EST

Reply-To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From: "Robert L. Lamons (Bob)" <rlamons@TJHSST.VAK12ED.EDU>

Subject: Re: Flower & Herb

In-Reply-To: <9402242325.AA25568@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu>; from "Ellen Kessler" at

              Feb 24, 94 6:15 pm



kThanks for your reply Ellen, I think I knew the answer.  I believe the what you



 said is true about anything people take.  I understand and use the homeopathic

remedies but was interested in branching out into the herbs and flowers for cond



itions that may not be well addresses in my homeo group.  Your info was my intro



duction.  Thanks.



--

-------------------------------------------------------

robert l lamons              rlamons@tjhsst.vak12ed.edu

Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology

A Fairfax County Public School in Northern Virginia

-------------------------------------------------------



From emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 24 21:46:09 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 14:46:09 EST

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From: Ellee Margileth <emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>

Subject: Re: Kudzu Festival



I will call the around today if I get time & post the info for those who are

interested.



Ellee Margileth                 *       211 Hoskins Library

Research Services               *       Knoxville, TN  37996-4020

The University of Tennessee     *       Phone:  (615) 974-2908

emargile@solar.rtd.utk.edu      *       FAX:    (615) 974-6508



From etk@PANIX.COM Fri Feb 25 01:23:09 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:23:09 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: Depressed in Indiana

In-Reply-To: <199402241431.AA28657@panix.com> from "josephine Henke" at Feb 24,



              94 09:12:57 am



Well, I'm not familiar with Indiana, but there are books that list

suppliers and practitioners all across the country.



And I know there are BOOKS in Indiana....Aren't there? (Sorry!)



A-not-as-snotty-as-she-seems New Yorker,



Ellen

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  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

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From robbee@CRL.COM Fri Feb 25 03:51:17 1994

Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 17:51:17 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Depressed in Indiana

In-Reply-To: <199402242340.AA13699@crl.crl.com>



Or is it possible that you are snottier than you think?

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             :           robbee@crl.com             :

             : Robert   Box 721 Healdsburg CA 95448 :

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On Thu, 24 Feb 1994, Ellen Kessler wrote:



> Well, I'm not familiar with Indiana, but there are books that list

> suppliers and practitioners all across the country.

>

> And I know there are BOOKS in Indiana....Aren't there? (Sorry!)

>

> A-not-as-snotty-as-she-seems New Yorker,

>

> Ellen

> --

>   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

>   .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

>   .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

>   . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

>



From howieb1991@AOL.COM Fri Feb 25 12:27:10 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 05:27:10 EST

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From: Howie Brounstein <howieb1991@AOL.COM>

Subject: Psuedoephedrine



Robert,



Ephedra,



  Ma Huang. Stems and leaves of Ephedra equisetina Bunge. ,E. sinica, Stapf

and other species of ephedra. Indigenous to China and India. It contains 0.75

to over 1%

ephedrine. it is the source of natural ephedrine. Contains also variable

quantities of pseud-ephedrine.



Merck index



Fifth edition



listed under Ephedra.



Many more references availble from more recent texts, its just the first I

pulled off the shelf.



Howie



From Christel=Reeve%SQA%Banyan@MAGNOLIA.BANYAN.COM Fri Feb 25 15:32:20 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 08:32:20 EST

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From: Christel Reeve <Christel=Reeve%SQA%Banyan@MAGNOLIA.BANYAN.COM>

Subject: growing new herbs this year



This year I am trying several new herbs:  arnica, valerian, agrimony, mitsuba.

Does anyone have any helpful hints on growing these?



I'm still looking for a source for lemon grass.  Can I grow it in Massachusetts

(Zone 5)?  Also looking for scullcap.  Anyone know if Richters' carries these?

I'm currently waiting for my catalog to arrive.



Chris

creeve@banyan.com



From leeling@KSU.KSU.EDU Sat Feb 26 14:16:42 1994

Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 06:16:42 -0600

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From: Leonard H Leeling <leeling@KSU.KSU.EDU>

Subject: Re: growing new herbs this year

In-Reply-To: <199402260711.BAA21685@grunt.ksu.ksu.edu>



On Fri, 25 Feb 1994, Christel Reeve wrote:



> This year I am trying several new herbs:  arnica, valerian, agrimony, mitsuba.



> Does anyone have any helpful hints on growing these?

>

> I'm still looking for a source for lemon grass.  Can I grow it in

 Massachusetts

> (Zone 5)?  Also looking for scullcap.  Anyone know if Richters' carries these?



> I'm currently waiting for my catalog to arrive.

>

> Chris

> creeve@banyan.com

>

For lemon grass try an oriental food store, if you get lemon grass fresh

it can be rooted, my wife got hers started that way.  We grow it in

Kansas, although in the winter it gets potted and brought inside.  We

trim it well back and once danger of frost is gone it goes back outside.



Leonard

leeling@ksu.ksu.edu



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Sun Feb 27 05:29:27 1994

Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 19:29:27 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: growing new herbs this year

In-Reply-To: <9402260712.AA07084@guest.apple.com>



I think you will find that Richters carries most of what you're

looking for, if my memory of the catalog I used to have is right.



I strongly suspect that lemon grass (isn't that a _Cymbopogon_ sp?) is

a tropicl, and won't grow out-of-doors in your area. Remember where

it's commonly used in cooking: places like Thailand!



I've had a Valerian here for 2 years, and have done nothing to it

other than admire it. Well, ok, I occasionally water it.  :-)



It seems to be a weed. Got about 6 feet tall this last summer, at the

tops of the flower stalks, if I recall correctly.  Granted, I'm in a

rather mild climate. (Pacific Northwest, a bit east of Seattle.)



Are you familiar with the GARDENS mailinglist? They talk about this

sort of thing from time to time.



Cheers!

jon



From VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU Mon Feb 28 02:11:15 1994

Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 19:11:15 EST

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From: Vance Reese <VREESE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject: Re: growing new herbs this year



Chris,

        I just happened to have my Richters catalogue in front of me.

Yes, they do have scullcap.  They also have Baikal scullcap, apparently

a Chinese cousin.

--Vance



From DEMAYO@FAXON.COM Mon Feb 28 14:41:03 1994

Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 08:41:03 -0400

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From: Jean DeMayo <DEMAYO@FAXON.COM>

Subject: Re: growing new herbs this year



> This year I am trying several new herbs:  arnica, valerian, agrimony, mitsuba.



> Does anyone have any helpful hints on growing these?

>

> I'm still looking for a source for lemon grass.  Can I grow it in Massachusett



s

> (Zone 5)?  Also looking for scullcap.  Anyone know if Richters' carries these?



> I'm currently waiting for my catalog to arrive.

>

> Chris

> creeve@banyan.com

************************

Hi Chris! I grow valerian in my herb garden. It grows tall and it seems to

multiply. I started out with 1 plant and 4 years later I now have 5. I just put

it in the ground and give it some fertilizer every once in a while and it has

done fine. The flower heads last a long time.



Jean, in Massachusetts (zone 6). The New England flower show starts this

weekend!!!! I can't wait to see some color, I'm getting tired of looking at

all this cold white stuff all over the ground!!!



From STEENHUIS@VOVO.LNV.AGRO.NL Fri Feb 25 15:50:00 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 14:50:00 +0100

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From: Franka <STEENHUIS@VOVO.LNV.AGRO.NL>

Subject: hyperactivity



Could anyone direct me to research literature on the influence of

gamma linolenic acid on hyperactivity.

Possibly the title will not mention fatty acid but evening primrose

oil or ?efamol? .

If there's no literature (there ought to be some swedish stuff,

though) does anyone know anything on this subject ?



Thanks in advance



Franka Steenhuis

The Hague



From STEENHUIS@VOVO.LNV.AGRO.NL Fri Feb 25 15:55:00 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 14:55:00 +0100

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From: Franka <STEENHUIS@VOVO.LNV.AGRO.NL>

Subject: slimming tea



Does anyone know:

are there herbal slimming teas on the west-european market that are

NOT based on diuretic or laxative properties of the herbs ?



If there are:

which are the herbs they use and what are the active chemicals in

these herbs ?



Franka Steenhuis

The Hague



From MCCANDLISH%SMCCVA@SNYCENVA.BITNET Fri Feb 25 22:01:00 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 15:01:00 EST

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From: Woody McCandlish <MCCANDLISH%SMCCVA@SNYCENVA.BITNET>

Subject: divas



Thanks Mitch (was it Mitch who wrote about Divas?)

I am Very interesed in hearing more.  this is something i have been experienc-

ing recently with vegetables, getting to "know" them, talking to them before

i eat them 8) (so i'm alittle weird, but it really seems to help.  eating is

after all kinda intimate- is that the right word? and i just don't feel

quite right eating a vegetable i don't know ;)

                                                        woody



From howieb1991@AOL.COM Fri Feb 25 22:18:56 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 15:18:56 EST

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From: Howie Brounstein <howieb1991@AOL.COM>

Subject: Valerian Knock out



Robert,



I have to be more specific in my wording. I am new to this Listerv and I

think it's great that everything written is scrutinized so thouroughly. Keeps

my info correct and my references checked.



I have also seen Valerian knock out people, especially in the fall when we

harvest, and we have access to fresh root juice.



The point I was trying to get across is that IN THE PROPER  DOSAGE it should

not knock you out, and that

if you treating yourself with herbs, this plant should not be feared.



Thanks for the correction,



Howie



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Fri Feb 25 22:37:55 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 12:37:55 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: hyperactivity, gamma linolenic acid --

In-Reply-To: <9402251402.AA26890@guest.apple.com>



I had not previously heard of any connection. As an ADHD sufferer, I

would be very interested to see any references!



Cheers

jon



From howieb1991@AOL.COM Fri Feb 25 22:47:15 1994

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 15:47:15 EST

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From: Howie Brounstein <howieb1991@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Japanese Valeria...



Jon,



I can provide you with Valeriana sitchensis seeds, if you remind me again in

late April, or early May. I can also provide you with solid root cuttings

during the fall harvest,

and perhaps eeven in the Spring if I'm in the right place at the right time.



A back issue of Herbalgram on Valerian suggested that V. sitchensis was also

stronger than officinalis, and that valerian strong was in some was

proportional to elevation.

The higher the plant grows, the stronger it is.



Howie



Howieb1991@aol.com



From robbee@CRL.COM Sat Feb 26 12:40:41 1994

Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 02:40:41 -0800

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From: John Robert Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject: Re: Acupuncture Colleges

In-Reply-To: <199402260819.AA02426@crl.crl.com>



Jackie,

   There is an excellent school in Santa Cruz  (California). It's called

the "Five Branches Institute" if you're interested I'll look the stats up.



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             : Robert   Box 721 Healdsburg CA 95448 :

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From J.FREEMAN@QUT.EDU.AU Sat Feb 26 17:55:24 1994

Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 15:55:24 GMT+1000

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From: jackie <J.FREEMAN@QUT.EDU.AU>

Organization: QUT Library

Subject: Acupuncture Colleges



> There's also the INTERNATIONAL COLLEGE OF TRADITIONAL CHINESE MEDECINE

> at 301-1847 West Broadway; tel: 731-2926



Thank you to whoever posted this information, I really appreciate

it. I've been looking for this kind of information for a while,

and even though I work in a library we don't seem to have the

resources that list American/Canadian colleges or institutes of

Acupuncture/chinese medicine.



Does anybody on the list know of other Acupuncture/Chinese Medicine

colleges in Canada or in the States.....if so, I'd really be grateful

for any information i.e., address/fax/phone of how I can get in

contact with some of them.



p.s. pardon my ignorance....:) but is the above address of the

International college of Traditional chinese medicine.....in

Canada...or in other words.....where is West Broadway....forgive me,

I'm Australian! ;)



Bye for now....



Jackie

(DownUnder)



From howieb1991@AOL.COM Sat Feb 26 13:03:52 1994

Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 06:03:52 EST

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From: Howie Brounstein <howieb1991@AOL.COM>

Subject: US Herbal Tinctures-labelling



Johnathon,



You are lucky in Britain when it comes to herbal product

labelling.There are separate laws for food, herbs, and drugs.

This is not the case in the U.S. Herbs need to be sold as either

food or drug.



Celestial Seasoning manufactures teas. They can not make medicinal

claims. They are stretching the law when they call it "sleepy time"

tea. They technically can make no reference toward any medicinal

claim. Traditional Medicinals makes teabags that are drugs. They are

licensed as a pharmaceutical company. The owner once told me it

cost nearly half a million dollars in fees and setup to be this.

They can legally call their tea "breathe-easy" and say on the box

that Ma Huang is a stimulant and Bronchial dilator for relief of

hayfever, etc. (Don't quote me, I don't have a box around).



A number of years ago Lily (a drug Co.) made Valeriana

officinalis tincture, sold through drug stores. Claims and

contra-indicatiuons could be on the label. The smaller tincture

companies cannot afford the fees to do this.



Especially the tincture makers in the Eugene OR stores. The world

is even smaller with the information highway we're riding. Your

letter showed up on my screen. I make tinctures. They sell in

all the Eugene health food stores, since 1982.



You write:

>Presumably because they are classed as foodstuffs the labelling on

>herbal

>products seems to be somewhat arbitary in the US, often based more on

>grabbing the potential purchasers dollar than on providing accurate

>information. (eg " Herp - eze" )



I remember in the eighties when the FDA busted all the tincture

makers and herbal products in the Northwest, and other areas in the US.

My Herbal Insect Repellant was removed from the stores, because it

was a pesticide and the pennyroyal, eucalyptus and rosemary had

to get the same health tests as "OFF!" But the same product named

Summertime Woods Oil was fine. Companies had all there literature

about dosage and usage confiscated. Labels were confiscated.

No reference to medicinal use, even "herp-ease".



As the years went by, the laws didn't change. They weren't inforced,

but they could be, at any time. This colors my labelling today.

There are 10 tincture companies on the shelves because the stores

believe in our right to choose, but when I started there was only

three including me. These newer companies have never had run ins

with the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) because of the lack of

enforcement. They are a bit

looser with their labelling. Thus "Herp-ease" which technically

is an implied med. use. River, the ownwer of of that co. takes a risk

by that name. My own Fresh Lung Tincture is a small risk.

We benefit from this because it

sells more than Mullien/Coltsfoot/Horehound Blend, but it also

helps the consumer who doesn't know what these herbs do. Its

roundabout education.



We are licensed as an herbal tea concentrate, as a flavoring, as a

kind of Vanilla Extract, inspected by the same folks who inspect

bakeries.



If we get caught with faulty labelling claims, we can't

sell till we change it. Even "herbalists have traditionally used

this herb in the past for.........." is not allowed.



You can't print traditional uses literature, or have any reference

books on

medicinal herbs near the tinctures. This implies medicinal use.



Many stores and herbal product manufacturers do this anyway,

because the laws haven't been enforced in so long.



The new laws we hear so much about in the US haven't started yet.

The old ones are bad enough, with herbal products in a

legal grey area.



Label specifics:

1. Species used (E.angustifolia, E. purpurea, and if both, what proportion)

2.Certified Origin of plant (organically wildcrafted)

3. Parts used (herb or root)

4. Strength of solvent



My labels contain this information.



5. Concentration of plant to solvent



My label doesn't contain this intentionally. It has to do with my

personal

beliefs and goals in tincture making.My explanation deserves

 its own letter

and this one is long enough. Ask me if you want the details.



6. Date of manufacture and batch no.



I have batch #'s but no dates. I never knew anyone cared about

dates, since most tinctures last years. Dated lot #'s are not

required on the label by law, but every # has to have a date

on record by

the manufacturer. Any company would tell you when a lot # was

made. I remove all old tinctures from the shelves and replace

them regularly, but I use them myself and for friends

because they're still good.



7. Doseage for acute AND chronic conditions



Dosages are not allowed specific for a problem. I use "1 to 4

dropperfuls in water as tea." I just take it straight.

(crazed herbalists).



8.Contraindications and warnings



These are definated illegal. But I do put the warning

"No medicinal claims"  on the label to show my good

faith to the FDA.



>Indeed it is often important to take an infusion rather than a

>tincture where alcohol may cause irritation eg urinary tract infections.



I consider a tincture similar to canning. A fresh herb is

concentrated and preserved at peak strength. You can put the

tincture in hot water to evaporate the alcohol in cases when

the very small amount cannot be tolerated.



>I only wish we had

>wholefood stores like that in the uk....yum.



You can. I sell mail order. send snail mail address or catalog.

and I'll probably have an e-mail catalog this week.



And/or We can trade me sending you food from Eugene

for something I might need from Britain.



Write me at Howieb1991@aol.com if you want to arrange something.



Howie Brounstein



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Sun Feb 27 05:31:13 1994

Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 19:31:13 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Implications & Consequences)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Re: _Valeriana_sitchensis_ --

In-Reply-To: <9402260727.AA07175@guest.apple.com>



Wow! Thanks, Howie! I will endeavor to remind you in a few months.

I'm afraid I don't have a whole lot of altitude here, but one does

what one can.



Cheers!

jon



From J.FREEMAN@QUT.EDU.AU Sun Feb 27 11:40:22 1994

Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 09:40:22 GMT+1000

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From: jackie <J.FREEMAN@QUT.EDU.AU>

Organization: QUT Library

Subject: Acupuncture colleges



> Sorry about sending this again but I can't seem to get the general

> list address right. I don't know if it has been posted already. Is

> the general address to the list just : herb@trearn, I used

> herb@trearn.bitnet before and got it back from the postmaster! Help!

> ;)

>

> Thank you

>

>

> **********************************************************************

>

> > > There's also the INTERNATIONAL COLLEGE OF TRADITIONAL CHINESE MEDECINE

> > > at 301-1847 West Broadway; tel: 731-2926

> >

> > Thank you to whoever posted this information, I really appreciate

> > it. I've been looking for this kind of information for a while,

> > and even though I work in a library we don't seem to have the

> > resources that list American/Canadian colleges or institutes of

> > Acupuncture/chinese medicine.

> >

> > Does anybody on the list know of other Acupuncture/Chinese Medicine

> > colleges in Canada or in the States.....if so, I'd really be grateful

> > for any information i.e., address/fax/phone of how I can get in

> > contact with some of them.

> >

> > p.s. pardon my ignorance....:) but is the above address of the

> > International college of Traditional chinese medicine.....in

> > Canada...or in other words.....where is West Broadway....forgive me,

> > I'm from Australia! ;)

> >

> > Bye for now....

> >

> > Jackie

> > (DownUnder)

> >

>



From dcse21025@TOPCAT.BSC.MASS.EDU Sun Feb 27 17:42:57 1994

Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 10:42:57 EST

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From: LYNNE MENDOZA <dcse21025@TOPCAT.BSC.MASS.EDU>

Subject: sleeplessness



     I am a new user so I apologize if I am asking something that

has already been discussed.  I would like some feedback from anyone

who has used herbs to treat insomnia.  I have done the reading and

know what the books say but I am one of the lucky one-I'm asleep

before my head hits the pillow--so I have no actual experience.  The

problem is my mother who can go days (and nigh!!) without

sleeping.  She is under a doctor's care but I'm looking for better

ways.  Thanks for any help.

Lynne



From mj.bruce@CHRYSALIS.ORG Sun Feb 27 21:49:44 1994

Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 22:49:44 LCL

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From: Mary Jo Bruce <mj.bruce@CHRYSALIS.ORG>

Organization: Chrysalis * 64 Lines * (214) 690-9295 * Dallas

Subject: STRICTURE/ESOPHAGEAL



I have a 92 year old senile female relative for whom I am legally

responsible.  She has an esophageal stricture, and she has just

had an endoscopy and a biopsy.  She had a very difficult time with

the endoscopy, and before the biopsy results are back, the doctor

has begun talking about a stretching procedure, which I have been

told is extremely unpleasant.  I do not understand exactly how it

is done, but I am told it involves tubes of increasing sizes and

weights.  I am also told that is frequently does not work and has to

be redone.  The lady has chosen not to have the procedure, but the

care center where she lives is eager for her to have it because they

do not want to go to the trouble of mashing her food.



I wonder if there is an alternative or herbal help for this sort of

problem.



Any information would be appreciated.  Thank you.



M.J. Bruce, M.S., M.L.S.



From mj.bruce@CHRYSALIS.ORG Sun Feb 27 22:49:44 1994

Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 22:49:44 LCL

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From: Mary Jo Bruce <mj.bruce@CHRYSALIS.ORG>

Organization: Chrysalis * 64 Lines * (214) 690-9295 * Dallas

Subject: STRICTURE/ESOPHAGEAL



I have a 92 year old senile female relative for whom I am legally

responsible.  She has an esophageal stricture, and she has just

had an endoscopy and a biopsy.  She had a very difficult time with

the endoscopy, and before the biopsy results are back, the doctor

has begun talking about a stretching procedure, which I have been

told is extremely unpleasant.  I do not understand exactly how it

is done, but I am told it involves tubes of increasing sizes and

weights.  I am also told that is frequently does not work and has to

be redone.  The lady has chosen not to have the procedure, but the

care center where she lives is eager for her to have it because they

do not want to go to the trouble of mashing her food.



I wonder if there is an alternative or herbal help for this sort of

problem.



Any information would be appreciated.  Thank you.



M.J. Bruce, M.S., M.L.S.



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Mon Feb 28 07:14:31 1994

Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 21:14:31 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Avatar of Synchronicity)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Panic attacks, new info --



Just came upon something I didn't previously know about, which may

conceivably relate. (It's a longshot, to be sure, but worth checking.)



If your body temperature is typically a degree or more low, you may

have a peculiar thyroid imbalance called Wilson's Syndrome, after Dr.

E. Denis Wilson, MD. This manifests itself as a set of symptoms that

seem to center around a low body temperature, and seems to be caused

by (or at least tightly correlated with) an imbalance in the levels of

T3 and RT3 thyroid hormones.



Because standard allopathic thyroid checks only look at T4, they

cannot catch this problem.



I don't know of any herbal treatments for this, though I bet a nickel

that there either are some or will be some. What they usually do is

put the person on T3 for a month or so. Sometimes takes several tries.

Many people, apparently, get back in balance and can just stop taking

the stuff after a while. The problem is to get a regular doctor even

to agree to check your T3 and RT3 levels. I don't know that most of

them quite "get it" that there can be a problem with those that fails

to show up in a T4 check. Sigh.



Anyway, if your body temperature is _not_ low, you probably don't have

this problem anyway, and it correlates only vaguely with panic attacks

in any case. Tighter correlations appear with peculiar continuing

weight gain (though not in all cases), difficulty sleeping through the

night, mild depression (which, of course, correlates with any number

of problems), hair loss that is otherwise unexplained, brittle nails,

dry and flaking skin (again, that is otherwise unexplained), and so

on.



I expect that it's fairly easy for them to check your T3 and RT3

levels; if you want further information you can write to:



The Wilson's Syndrome Foundation

Post Office Box 539

Summerfield  FL  34492-0539



and they can send you a pamphlet. I find the pamphlet to be

regrettably poorly written, but it does contain at least some

information.



Cheers!

jon



PS: Maybe some of the people on this list who actually know about

herbs (I'm strictly a novice at this!) can suggest herbal things that

_do_not_ do the regular thing with thyroid problems (Wilson's Syndrome

typically doesn't relate to thyroid problems of the usual sorts, as

far as I know), but _do_ have an effect throughout the body on the

rate of conversion of T3 to RT3. (I think that too much T3 gets

converted to RT3 in Wilson's Syndrome, but don't quote me.)



From JBAYLISS@PSUHMC.BITNET Mon Feb 28 18:37:12 1994

Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 11:37:12 EST

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From: Judy <JBAYLISS@PSUHMC.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Panic attacks, new info --

In-Reply-To: Message of Sun,

              27 Feb 1994 21:14:31 PST from <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>



What's the difference between Wilson's syndrome and hypothyroidism ?  They

sound exactly the same.

Judy

On Sun, 27 Feb 1994 21:14:31 PST Jon Singer (Avatar of Synchronicity) said:

>Just came upon something I didn't previously know about, which may

>conceivably relate. (It's a longshot, to be sure, but worth checking.)

>

>If your body temperature is typically a degree or more low, you may

>have a peculiar thyroid imbalance called Wilson's Syndrome, after Dr.

>E. Denis Wilson, MD. This manifests itself as a set of symptoms that

>seem to center around a low body temperature, and seems to be caused

>by (or at least tightly correlated with) an imbalance in the levels of

>T3 and RT3 thyroid hormones.

>

>Because standard allopathic thyroid checks only look at T4, they

>cannot catch this problem.

>

>I don't know of any herbal treatments for this, though I bet a nickel

>that there either are some or will be some. What they usually do is

>put the person on T3 for a month or so. Sometimes takes several tries.

>Many people, apparently, get back in balance and can just stop taking

>the stuff after a while. The problem is to get a regular doctor even

>to agree to check your T3 and RT3 levels. I don't know that most of

>them quite "get it" that there can be a problem with those that fails

>to show up in a T4 check. Sigh.

>

>Anyway, if your body temperature is _not_ low, you probably don't have

>this problem anyway, and it correlates only vaguely with panic attacks

>in any case. Tighter correlations appear with peculiar continuing

>weight gain (though not in all cases), difficulty sleeping through the

>night, mild depression (which, of course, correlates with any number

>of problems), hair loss that is otherwise unexplained, brittle nails,

>dry and flaking skin (again, that is otherwise unexplained), and so

>on.

>

>I expect that it's fairly easy for them to check your T3 and RT3

>levels; if you want further information you can write to:

>

>The Wilson's Syndrome Foundation

>Post Office Box 539

>Summerfield  FL  34492-0539

>

>and they can send you a pamphlet. I find the pamphlet to be

>regrettably poorly written, but it does contain at least some

>information.

>

>Cheers!

>jon

>

>PS: Maybe some of the people on this list who actually know about

>herbs (I'm strictly a novice at this!) can suggest herbal things that

>_do_not_ do the regular thing with thyroid problems (Wilson's Syndrome

>typically doesn't relate to thyroid problems of the usual sorts, as

>far as I know), but _do_ have an effect throughout the body on the

>rate of conversion of T3 to RT3. (I think that too much T3 gets

>converted to RT3 in Wilson's Syndrome, but don't quote me.)

>    Panic attacks, new info --

>



JUDY BAYLISS

JBAYLISS@PSUHMC



From jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM Mon Feb 28 07:21:52 1994

Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 21:21:52 PST

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From: "Jon Singer (Avatar of Synchronicity)" <jon@GUEST.APPLE.COM>

Subject: Just for those who don't yet know:



As I sit here eating my "Lion Brand" figs from Izmir, Turkey (they're

just exquisite), it occurs to me to remind the newcomers that "TREARN"

(if you are on Bitnet), or "TREARN.BITNET" (if you are on the

Internet) is _not_ some machine in Chicago. It is in Turkey, possibly

even in Izmir. The owner of this list, unless it has changed hands, is

a _very_ sharp graduate or postdoctoral student named Suleyman Aydin.

He rarely posts, but when he does he's always worth a careful read.



As I say, those of us who have been on here for a long time have

probably already caught this info, but some of the new people may not

know, and I _have_ seen some pleas directed to "list owner" rather

than a name (I'm not sure of his current email address), so I thought

I'd mention it.



Best wishes to all of you --

jon singer



From etk@PANIX.COM Mon Feb 28 20:36:51 1994

Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 13:36:51 -0500

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From: Ellen Kessler <etk@PANIX.COM>

Subject: Re: Just for those who don't yet know:

In-Reply-To: <199402281424.AA04054@panix.com> from "Jon Singer" at Feb 27,

              94 09:21:52 pm



Jon,

        Thank you very much for the information about the Turkish list

owner.  Do you remember his address, or have any suggestions on how I can

get it? I want to ask him to take care of some administrative junk.



Ellen

--

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  .  Ellen Kessler                       . - But I can't go on like this! .

  .  etk@panix.com                       . - Would you like a radish?     .

  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



From OPERATOR@SNYCENVM.BITNET Mon Feb 28 08:24:38 1994

Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 01:24:38 EST

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From: Tim Heller <OPERATOR@SNYCENVM.BITNET>

Organization: State University of New York - Central Administration

Subject: Acupuncture/Chinese Medecine Colleges



Here is a list of colleges I got out of Natural Health Magazine:

Bastyr College

144 NE 54th #NH

Seattle, WA  98105

(206)523-9585

-------------------

Austin Oriental Medical Academy

4105 South First Street

Austin, TX  78745

(800)824-9987

-------------------

Oregon College of Oriental Medecine

10525 SE Cherry Blossom Drive

Portland, OR  97216

(503)253-3443

--------------------

Tri-State Institute of Traditional Chinese Acupuncture

POB 890

Planetarium Station

New York, NY  10024

(212)496-7869

--------------------

Southwest Acupuncture College

712 W. San Mateo

Sante FE, NM  87501

(505)988-3538

--------------------

Pacific College of Oriental Medecine

7445 Mission Valley Road

Ste. 105

San Diego, CA  92108

(619)574-6909

--------------------

Pacific Institute of Oriental Medecine

915 Broadway

Third Floor

New York, NY  10010

(212)982-3456

------------------

Northwest Institute of Acupuncture & Oriental Medecine

1307 North 45th St. #300

Seattle, WA  98103

(206)633-2419

------------------

Acupressure-Acupuncture Institute

9835 Sunset Drive

Miami, FL  33173

(305)595-9500

-------------------

Academy of Chinese Culture & Health Sciences

1601 Clay Street

Oakland, CA  94612

(510)763-7787

-------------------

Colorado School of Traditional Chinese Medecine

1441 York St. #202

Denver, CO  80206

(303)329-6355

-------------------

International Institute of Chinese Medecine

PO Box 4991

Sante FE, NM  87502

(505)473-5233

-------------------

Five Branches Institute

College of Traditional Chinese Medecine

200 7th Avenue

Santa Cruz, CA  95062

(408)476-9424

--------------------

American Academy of Acupuncture & Traditional Chinese Medecine

9100 Parkwest Drive

Houston, TX  77063

(713)780-9777

--------------------

American College of Traditional Chinese Medecine

455 Arkansas Street

San Francisco, CA  94107

(415)282-7600

-------------------

Emperor's College of Traditional Oriental Medecine

1807 B. Wilshire Blvd.

Santa Monica, CA  90403

(310)453-8833

-------------------

New Center for Wholistic Health Education & Research

6801 Jericho Turnpike

Syosset, NY  11791-4465

(516)364-0808

-------------------

New England School of Acupuncture

30 Common Street

Watertown, MA  02172

(617)926-1788

-------------------

Oriental Medecine Insitute of Hawaii

181 South Kukui Street

Suite 206

Honolulu, HI  96813

(808)536-3611

-------------------

Royal Institute of America

1125 West 6th Street

Los Angeles, CA  90017

(805)682-9594

-------------------

Samra University of Oriental Medecine

600 St. Paul Avenue

Los Angeles, CA  90017

(213)482-8448

--------------------

Santa Barbara College of Oriental Medecine

1919 State Street, Suite 204

Santa Barbara, CA  93101

(805)682-9594

--------------------

South Baylo University

12012 South Magnolia Avenue

Garden Grove, CA  92641

(714)530-9650

---------------------

Tai Hsuan Foundation

College of Acupuncture & Herbal Medecine

2600 S. King Street, #206

Honolulu, HI  96826

(800)942-4788

---------------------

Traditional Acupuncture Institute

American City Building

10227 Wincopin Circle, Suite 100

Columbia, MD  21044-3422

(301)596-6006

---------------------

Worsley Institure of Classical Acupuncture

6175 NW 153rd Street, Suite 324

Miami Lake, FL  33014

(305)823-7270

---------------------

Yo San University of Traditional Chinese Medecine

1314 Second Street, Suite 202

Santa Monica, CA  90401

(310)917-2202

---------------------

I hope this list will be helpful.  I was amazed myself to see that there

are so many places to study.  This should your dialing finger a workout.



Stay Healthy and Happy,

                         Tim



From vsadovsk@DEV3.CTC.EDU Mon Feb 28 19:17:14 1994

Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 09:17:14 PST

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From: Valerie Sadovsky <vsadovsk@DEV3.CTC.EDU>

Subject: Thyroid again



Hi everyone,

A have another thyroid question, maybe, someone could clear it for me.

A relative of mine was diagnosed with hypothyroidism.  At first they

suspected Hashimoto's disease but blood tests didn't show any antibodies.

The endocrinologist mumbled something about "enzyme imbalance" but she

couldn't make him explain this in simple words.  The result is that we're

still not sure what went wrong and what is the exact diagnosis.  So the

lady has been taking Synthroid for a year already but may be it's not

necessary?  Could it happen that TSH was up only temporarily?

Thank you.

Valerie (vsadovsk@dev3.ctc.edu)



From JBAYLISS@PSUHMC.BITNET Mon Feb 28 19:56:16 1994

Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 12:56:16 EST

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From: Judy <JBAYLISS@PSUHMC.BITNET>

Subject: Re: Thyroid again

In-Reply-To: Message of Mon,

              28 Feb 1994 09:17:14 PST from <vsadovsk@DEV3.CTC.EDU>



Hashimoto's Disease simply means that the hypothyroidism stems from a

problem within the thyroid gland itself, and not a problem with the

pituitary gland.  If the thyroid condition is of long standing there

wouldn't necesarily be antibodies at this point, and it could still

be Hashimoto's.  Exact diagnosis doesn't really matter - treatment is

exactly the same.

Judy

On Mon, 28 Feb 1994 09:17:14 PST Valerie Sadovsky said:

>Hi everyone,

>A have another thyroid question, maybe, someone could clear it for me.

>A relative of mine was diagnosed with hypothyroidism.  At first they

>suspected Hashimoto's disease but blood tests didn't show any antibodies.

>The endocrinologist mumbled something about "enzyme imbalance" but she

>couldn't make him explain this in simple words.  The result is that we're

>still not sure what went wrong and what is the exact diagnosis.  So the

>lady has been taking Synthroid for a year already but may be it's not

>necessary?  Could it happen that TSH was up only temporarily?

>Thank you.

>Valerie (vsadovsk@dev3.ctc.edu)

>    Thyroid again

>PS



JUDY BAYLISS

JBAYLISS@PSUHMC



