



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Jun 1994 00:56:21 EDT

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From:         Jtreasure@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: Where to find information



GVOTEAU writes :



>Those of you who are more in the know (ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO THINK WE ALL

>SHOULD BE DOING OUR OWN RESEARCH BEFORE ASKING THE LIST) would be doing a

>great service by giving some pointers.



You're in luck mon brave. A new book just published by David Hoffman answers

all these points and more - the title is self-explanatory-

 *The Information Sourcebook of Herbal Medicine*

pub  Crossing Press 1994 ISBN 0-89594-671-8

includes very useful material on using Dewey library classification to

unearth what you might be looking for as well as all sorts of other goodies.



>On a personal note, so far I've found 2 books at our local library that

>seem reasonable.  One is Varro Tyler's An Honest Herbal (I'm sure that will

>raise some hackles) and the other is Out of the Earth by Simon Mills.  What

>do you think of these sources?  What else would you suggest to round out

>the views I'm getting in these books? How can I find out about plants these

>authors don't deal with?



I don't know about the first book but Simon Mills is a highly experienced and

respected English medical herbalist who teaches in the uk; the book you

mention is an overview of his conception of the need to integrate TCM and

western physiology, and strongly exemplifies a  mainstream of english

phytotherapy today. Although not so much a *practical * herbal it is informed

and informative for anyone wishing to understand herbal remedies.



I'm know there are people on this list much more able than me who could

recommend you texts from this country and its important herbal traditions, so

personally I would suggest a european classic really worth reading, if only

the first chapter:

 Herbal Medicine - Rudolf Weiss: Arcanum/beaconsfield 1988

ISBN 0-906584-19-1



Most herbalists however would suggest getting to know as much as you can

about a few herbs - finding the plants, tasting them, growing them,

harvesting them, using them  - as the best way of understanding herbal

remedies. The more books you read the more inconsistencies and contradictions

you'll find  about a given herb - so do it yourself!



Jonathan Treasure



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Jun 1994 02:18:24 -0400

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From:         Dick Dawson <ddawson@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Depression and mood swings

In-Reply-To:  <199405271455.KAA13792@mailbox.syr.edu>



On Fri, 27 May 1994, Lynch, Anita wrote:



>           Dear Barb,

>

>           I sought help from a physician for anxiety attacks - a

>           condition I had suffered from for years on and off.  At any

>           rate, I was diagnosed as being depressed and prescribed

>           Prozac - 20 mg to start and then doubled to 40 mg.  It

>           really does help with anxiety.  As far as depression - I

>           don't really feel depressed, but now I'm having a problem

>           with motivation ... something I wasn't experiencing before

>           the medication.  I used to faithfully do my step aerobics

>           program 1 hour a day at least 4 days a week - and I felt

>           really good.  Lately I've had no motivation to work out, so

>           physically I don't feel as energetic (but I don't really

>           feel depressed).  I have an appointment with the doctor in

>           two weeks and I'm going to find out if there is another

>           anti-anxiety med other than prozac.  Actually, he did

>           prescribe Haldol, but it made me so drowsy that I quit

>           taking it.  When I asked him what Haldol was for - he said

>           "Oh, it's just for nervousness".  Well, I don't know.  Does

>           anyone on the list know about Haldol?  Also, I'm convinced

>           that a lot of emotional imbalances can be controlled through

>           breathing techniques, that's something else I'm looking

>           into.  If I find anything helpful, I'll let you know.

>

>           Anita

>

Uh, sorry about the mess.  Stuck temporarily with pine.  :-(, big

time.



Haldol.  Ugly stuff.  In  the general category of phenothiazine

derivatives eg: thorazine.  Avoid like the plague it is.



D



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 31 May 1994 23:52:55 -0700

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From:         "Norman L. Rust" <ntlor@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Where to find information

In-Reply-To:  <199405311858.LAA20815@id1.indirect.com> from "GVOTEAU" at May 31,

              94 01:41:00 pm



>

> Okay, let's say I'm an average layperson wanting to learn more about herbal

> remedies.  My first stop is the local library.  Several books are on the

> shelves in the "herbal" section...but some are probably worthless, and some

> are wonderful.  Which are which?  How do I judge?

>

> If I look for book reviews through the normal sources (like Book Review

> Index) I find reviews written primarily by book reviewers rather than

> herbalists.  What I'd like to see is some advice from you experienced folks

> on what your trusted sources are, or else some suggestions for where I

> might do a bibliographic search.  I have access to Interlibrary Loan, but

> no reasonable access to on-line searches (like Medline).  I also have

> access to Index Medicus, since it's a depository document put out by the

> U.S. Government Printing Office.  The information found in these sources

> (Index Medicus, Medline) is probably too technical for me, anyway.  Also,

> assume I don't read languages other than English.

>

> Really, I think this describes many people on this list.  Those of you who

> are more in the know (ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO THINK WE ALL SHOULD BE DOING OUR

> OWN RESEARCH BEFORE ASKING THE LIST) would be doing a great service by

> giving some pointers.

>

> On a personal note, so far I've found 2 books at our local library that

> seem reasonable.  One is Varro Tyler's An Honest Herbal (I'm sure that will

> raise some hackles) and the other is Out of the Earth by Simon Mills.  What

> do you think of these sources?  What else would you suggest to round out

> the views I'm getting in these books? How can I find out about plants these

> authors don't deal with?

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Jun 1994 09:46:56 EDT

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From:         Christel Reeve <Christel=Reeve%SQA%Banyan@MAGNOLIA.BANYAN.COM>

Subject:      Herbal remedy book recommendation



My favorite book for herbal remedies is:



The Complete Medicinal Herbal by Penelope Ody

(Dorling Kindersley, 1993).  Cost 29.95



Why I like it:



Has great pictures of the herbs in fresh and dried form for easy identification.

Has dosage information.

Good cross reference in back for specific symptoms.

Tells you the actions of an herb (such as antispasmodic, carminative...)

Has chinese as well as western herbs.

Give cautions on herb usage (like which herbs to avoid during pregnancy).



chris

creeve@banyan.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Jun 1994 11:13:58 -0400

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From:         Paulette Portnoy <PORTNOY@DAEMON.RUTGERS.EDU>

Subject:      Help - Bladder problem



I think this has been discussed on this list before but

a friend needs some information on chronic bladder

infections.  She has seen several MDs and all their

medications haven't helped her.  Is there something

herbal that she can try?



Thanks.



Paulette



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Jun 1994 12:44:29 EST

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From:         Jennifer Ewing <JBEWING@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      herbal abortifacients



I am interested in getting specific advice about herbal abortifacients.

I am part of a women's health collective in which we have collected advice

and info on herbal birth control and abortifacients, but much of it is not

specific enough to make it useful - ie, they give the herb, but not the

AMOUNTS or dosage and what is the best way to prepare them.  If anyone can

give specific suggestions *with* suggestions of amounts needed, it would be

much appreciated to add to our information.



Thank-you,



jennifer (jbewing@ucs.indiana.edu)



p.s. - a disclaimer:  we are not DOING abortions, just research - so that

        women can use our information files to make their own decisions.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Jun 1994 11:18:12 -0500

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From:         Beatrice Magee <bebe@MOLBIO.CBS.UMN.EDU>

Subject:      yeast infections:  follow-up



        I would like to thank everyone who submitted ideas to help me with my

experiment on yeast infections.  For those who are interested I will tell

you the results of the experiment.

        My test system was inhibition of growth of Candida albicans on

petri plates.  Many people suggested garlic so I tested many different

forms to see which worked and which were most effective.  I found that if

you removed the skin of a garlic clove and mashed it up, the garlic chunks

were very effective in inhibiting the growth of yeast.  Even garlic fumes

worked.  I do not know yet if the yeast was killed.

        As for the tea tree oil (which I purchased at a local supermarket)

I found that it was more effective the higher the amount tested.  Another

substance, Micatin ointment, inhibited the growth but not as well as the

smallest garlic chunk.

        Substances which did not inhibit growth were yogurt, aloe and

plantain leaf infusion.

                                        Rachel



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Jun 1994 11:23:31 -0400

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From:         NYS Equalization and Assessment <nyealib1@TRANSIT.NYSER.NET>

Subject:      Ginseng as an estrogen precursor



I'm having this debate with my physician (chinese herbalist) about

ginseng. I've always thought that 'seng contained an estrogen precursor,

and therefor could cause problems for premenopausal women. I think I got

this from Tyler's Honest Herbal years ago (book now long gone). He hasn't

heard anything about this. However, I wonder if chinese medicine has the

same problems as western in that everything is studied on men and

therefor is clueless about women. Since I'm experiencing some hormonal

problems recently this is more than idle curiosity.

Any ideas out there?



Patricia Michel

nyealib1@transit.nyser.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Jun 1994 15:56:47 -0400

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From:         anna yamada <rosaphil@PHANTOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal abortifacients

In-Reply-To:  <9406011950.AA12036@mailhost.phantom.com>



        it sounds dangerous, but I heard that in INdia women drink

        only lime juice and salt until they dehydrate enough to spontaneously

        abort. I would not recommend this, but it is said to work.



On Wed, 1 Jun 1994, Jennifer Ewing wrote:



> I am interested in getting specific advice about herbal abortifacients.

> I am part of a women's health collective in which we have collected advice

> and info on herbal birth control and abortifacients, but much of it is not

> specific enough to make it useful - ie, they give the herb, but not the

> AMOUNTS or dosage and what is the best way to prepare them.  If anyone can

> give specific suggestions *with* suggestions of amounts needed, it would be

> much appreciated to add to our information.

>

> Thank-you,

>

> jennifer (jbewing@ucs.indiana.edu)

>

> p.s. - a disclaimer:  we are not DOING abortions, just research - so that

>         women can use our information files to make their own decisions.

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Jun 1994 23:10:23 -0500

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From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal abortifacients

In-Reply-To:  <9406011948.AA03459@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "Jennifer Ewing" at Jun

              1, 94 12:44:29 pm



Jennifer -

I looked into this a couple of years ago. Like you, I thought it would be

a ehlpful source of information for some women.  After checking into it,

I changed my mind.  The dosages needed vary from person to person, and

all dosages are toxic. In most cases, the dosages needed are nearly

enough to kill the mother, as well.  You can die from o.d.'ing on an

herbal abortion. --



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Jun 1994 17:00:47 EST

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From:         Kelly Martin <kelly@POVERTY.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>

Subject:      herbal abortifacients

In-Reply-To:  Jennifer Ewing's message of Wed, 1 Jun 1994 12:44:29 EST



"Jennifer" == Jennifer Ewing <JBEWING@UCS.INDIANA.EDU> writes:



Jennifer> I am interested in getting specific advice about herbal

Jennifer> abortifacients.  I am part of a women's health collective in

Jennifer> which we have collected advice and info on herbal birth

Jennifer> control and abortifacients, but much of it is not specific

Jennifer> enough to make it useful - ie, they give the herb, but not

Jennifer> the AMOUNTS or dosage and what is the best way to prepare

Jennifer> them.  If anyone can give specific suggestions *with*

Jennifer> suggestions of amounts needed, it would be much appreciated

Jennifer> to add to our information.



there is a herbalist in champaign-urbana, illinois (at least there

used to be) who goes by the name of kamela who once prepared a herbal

abortifacient for an acquaintance of mine.  she might be willing to

help you.



i can't recall her real name or her address or phone number at the

moment.  she is relatively well-known in the CU pagan community,

though, so if you have any such contacts there you might be able to

get in touch with her that way.



by the way, she also makes a pretty fair pregnancy tonic. :)



sorry i can't be of more help.



love,



k.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Jun 1994 17:43:12 -0700

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From:         Susan Clark <clarkd@SFU.CA>

Subject:      Re: Help - Bladder problem

In-Reply-To:  <199406011933.MAA09067@whistler.sfu.ca> from "Paulette Portnoy"

              at Jun 1, 94 11:13:58 am



Paulette, If you send me your e-mail address, I'll send you what I

downloaded on the subject when I asked the question a while ago.



Susan

clarkd@sfu.ca



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Jun 1994 08:24:49 -0400

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From:         Peggy Brown <OISPEGGY@UBVMS.BITNET>

Organization: University at Buffalo

Subject:      Re: herbal abortifacients



>I am interested in getting specific advice about herbal abortifacients.

>I am part of a women's health collective in which we have collected advice

>and info on herbal birth control and abortifacients, but much of it is not

>specific enough to make it useful - ie, they give the herb, but not the

>AMOUNTS or dosage and what is the best way to prepare them.  If anyone can

>give specific suggestions *with* suggestions of amounts needed, it would be

>much appreciated to add to our information.



>Thank-you,



>jennifer (jbewing@ucs.indiana.edu)



>p.s. - a disclaimer:  we are not DOING abortions, just research - so that

>        women can use our information files to make their own decisions.



Is your group also telling women that herbal abortifacients are

much more dangerous and much harder for the woman than a surgical

abortion?



Another thing to keep in mind is that certain birth control pills

taken in the right combination act the same as the infamous

morning after pill.  Sorry I don't have the formula, but its in

the medical literature.



- Peggy -



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Jun 1994 22:23:52 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Ginseng as an estrogen precursor



You are correct, Panax contains a mixture of steroidal saponins. Panax does have

 an oestrogenic action. However there are probably better oestrogenic phtomedici

nes to use like helonias luteum and cimicifuga racemosa.



Any further questions



Leighton Phillips



LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Jun 1994 22:28:02 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: yeast infections:  follow-up



It is very interesting, about the fumes which an inhibitory effect. Could you te

ll me more about this.



Leighton Phillips - Australia



Lphillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Jun 1994 22:36:44 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: herbal abortifacients



While I am totally against 'abortion'. I will mention for research purposes, tha

t all the Progestrogenic herbs/plants are potentially abortifacients. We see Vit

ex agnus castus has progestrogenic activity in vitro, it does this through pitui

tary gland stimulation. However when used in high doses it suppress pituitary se

cretions, and therefore not having the progestrogenic activity.



Besides these, all the emmenogogues (Goats Rue, Fenugreek, Fenneletc.) have the

potential to cause an abortion.



I give this information, from a precautionary perspective to those who are presc

ribing phtomedicines, not as information for the use of these herbs for abortion

.



Leighton Phillips - Australia



Lphillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



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Subject:      Re: yeast infections:  follow-up

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>>        I would like to thank everyone who submitted ideas to help me with my

>>experiment on yeast infections.  For those who are interested I will tell

>>you the results of the experiment.

>>        My test system was inhibition of growth of Candida albicans on

>>petri plates.  Many people suggested garlic so I tested many different

>>forms to see which worked and which were most effective.  I found that if

>>you removed the skin of a garlic clove and mashed it up, the garlic chunks

>>were very effective in inhibiting the growth of yeast.  Even garlic fumes

>>worked.  I do not know yet if the yeast was killed.

>>        As for the tea tree oil (which I purchased at a local supermarket)

>>I found that it was more effective the higher the amount tested.  Another

>>substance, Micatin ointment, inhibited the growth but not as well as the

>>smallest garlic chunk.

>>        Substances which did not inhibit growth were yogurt, aloe and

>>plantain leaf infusion.

>>                                        Rachel

>>

rachel,

did your yogurt have active acidopholis (sp) bacteria in it?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Jun 1994 22:34:10 -0700

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From:         David Eagle <eagle@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herb books



>This latest

>          version ($29.95) is an exact duplicate, in one fat volume,

>          of the two-volume Dover 1982 reprint ($17.00), which added

>          an index of Latin names to the Dover 1977 "unabridged

>          republication" (i.e., duplicate) of the 1931 Harcourt Brace

>          "original", which apparently was copublished by Jonathan

>          Cape, Ltd. in the UK. (I suspect it's more likely that

>          Jonathan Cape published the "original", since Grieve is

>          English, and that Harcourt Brace copublished.)



This volume was originally published only in Canada because it included a

Latin index that was copyrighted by the New York botanical society (or some

such organization) and thus couldn't be distributed in the US. Bought my

copy in Canada almost 20 years ago.



   David Eagle - eagle@netcom.com  or  david@igc.apc.org

         ....................................................

        "Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty."

           ....................................................



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 3 Jun 1994 10:26:57 EST

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From:         Jennifer Ewing <JBEWING@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: yeast infections:  follow-up



As I understand it, the reason to use yoghurt for yeast infection is

two-fold.  First, it it slightly acidic, and therefore lowers the pH of the

vagina, creating a more hostile environment for the yeast to grow - things

like birth control and blood raise the pH, so it is an attempt to

restore the ideal - slightly acidic environment.  Second, yoghurt adds

live lactobacilli which then compete with the candida albicans to also

restore a balance of natural flora.

        My point?  No amount of petri-dish experimentation could prove if

yoghurt is effective or not, because it has to do with the environment of the

vagina more than anything else.  Although I do not have the sources with me

right now, there *have* been studies done on the effectiveness of using

yoghurt to control candida albicans, and it *has* been proven effective both

vaginally, and when taken eaten on a regular basis.  If anyone is

interested in the sources, i'll send them directly.



Jennifer

(jbewing@ucs.indiana.edu)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 3 Jun 1994 09:25:06 -0500

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From:         Beatrice Magee <bebe@MOLBIO.CBS.UMN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: yeast infections: follow-up

In-Reply-To:  <9406022238.AA12627@molbio.cbs.umn.edu>



On Wed, 1 Jun 1994, Suzanne McCaffrey wrote:



> rachel,

> did your yogurt have active acidopholis (sp) bacteria in it?



Yes, the yogurt used was OLD HOME PLAIN, which contains active yogurt

cultures.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 3 Jun 1994 11:11:03 -0500

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From:         Beatrice Magee <bebe@MOLBIO.CBS.UMN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: yeast infections: follow-up

In-Reply-To:  <9406031532.AA00651@molbio.cbs.umn.edu>



Our point:  Yoghurt may be an effective treatment for yeast infections but

it does not work directly by inhibiting Candida growth.  We were looking

for primary effects.

        Remember please that this was a highschool student's (Rachel) three week

project.



On Fri, 3 Jun 1994, Jennifer Ewing wrote:



> As I understand it, the reason to use yoghurt for yeast infection is

> two-fold.  First, it it slightly acidic, and therefore lowers the pH of the

> vagina, creating a more hostile environment for the yeast to grow - things

> like birth control and blood raise the pH, so it is an attempt to

> restore the ideal - slightly acidic environment.

The pH of yoghurt is 5.1.  The pH of standard complete yeast medium is

5.6.  The pH of the medium does rise with growth.

  Second, yoghurt adds

> live lactobacilli which then compete with the candida albicans to also

> restore a balance of natural flora.

>         My point?  No amount of petri-dish experimentation could prove if

> yoghurt is effective or not, because it has to do with the environment of the

> vagina more than anything else.  Although I do not have the sources with me

> right now, there *have* been studies done on the effectiveness of using

> yoghurt to control candida albicans, and it *has* been proven effective both

> vaginally, and when taken eaten on a regular basis.  If anyone is

> interested in the sources, i'll send them directly.

>

Please send me your sources.



bebe@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (for Rachel)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 3 Jun 1994 11:00:48 -0400

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From:         Lynda Lyons <Lynda_Lyons@NYNET.NYBE.NORTH-YORK.ON.CA>

Organization: North York Board of Education

Subject:      Herbal books



For GVOTEAU: Here are my favourite herb reference books>

Mills, Simon. Out of the earth (already mentioned.)



Nissim, Rina. Natural healing in gynecology : a manual for women.

                       Pandora/Methuen, 1986. ( an English translation of the

French

                       Mamamelis, 1984)



Weed, Susun S. Healing wise : wise woman herbal. Woodstock, NY, Ash Tree

                          1989.  Deals with models of healing and burdock,

chickweed,

                         dandelion, nettle, oatsraw, seaweed and violets.



                         Wise woman herbal for the childbearing year



                         Wise woman herbal for the menopausal years.



Hoffman, David.  The new holistic herbal, 2nd ed., Element Inc., 1986



For growing herbs:

Weiss, Gaea and Shandor.  Growing and using the helaing herbs, Rodale, 1985



Lima, Patrick. The Harrowsmith illustrated book of herbs. Camden House,

                          1986. Beautifully illustrated and useful for

northern

                         gardeners.



I agree with Jonathan Treasure, pick out some you want to try and grow them,

get to know them, and pay attention to your own reactions to them.



All the best,

Lynda Lyons



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 3 Jun 1994 21:05:50 -0500

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From:         Siobhan Perricone <SIOBHANP@NORWICH.BITNET>

Subject:      nettles



I have just an [expletive]-load of nettles growing wild in the part of

our 2 acres we don't mow or turn into lawn.



What are nettles good for?



I suppose I should find an herb book but money is really tight for us and

I can't afford any new books.  The libraries around here are particularly

unhelpful when it comes to this type of book ...



Anyway, any suggestions would be nice.



Siobhan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 3 Jun 1994 18:24:57 -0700

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From:         Hazel Boston-Baden <hazel@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: REQ: Rosemary stuff

In-Reply-To:  <199406031354.GAA08143@netcom.com> from "Lars Fuchs" at Jun 3,

              94 03:39:54 pm



> Hi All! We have a rosemary plant growing wildly in our kitchen,

> producing much more than we can use. So if anybody has any good recipes

> for rosemary or good ideas for ways to use it (potpourri? aromatherapy?

> drinks?) we'd be terrifically grateful. ...

...

> thanks in advance,

> Lars

...



Rosmarinus officinalis: Rosemary



"If thou be feeble boyle the leaves in cleane water and washe thyself and

thou shalt be shiny... smell it oft and it shall keep thee youngly."

Banckes' Herbal, 1525.



A favorite herb both medicinally and as symbol for remembrance, rosemary

is a Mediterranean shrub that gradually spread north and was reputedly

first grown in England by Philippa of Hainault, wife of Edward III, in

the 14th century. The plant is an excellent tonic and all-round

stimulant, and has always been regarded as uplifting and enrergizing:

Gerard said that it "comforteth the harte and maketh it merie."



Character: Warming, dry, pungent, bitter.



Constituents: Volatile oil, bitter, tannin.



Actions:

Aerial parts: astringent, digestive remedy, nervine, carminative,

antiseptic, diuretic, promote sweating, promote bile flow,

antidepressant, circulatory stimulant, antispasmodic, restorative tonic

for nervous system, cardiac tonic.

Esseential oil: Topical: increases blood flow to an area, analgesic,

antirheumatic, stimulant.



Parts used



Aerial parts: ideal in exhaustian, weakness, and dpression, the aerial

parts invigorate the circulation, stimulate the digestion, and are good

for "cold" conditions, including chills and rheumatism. They are useful

for headaches that are eased by warm towels rather than ice packs.

Harvest fresh year-round.



Essential oil: The oil makes a stimulating rub for arthritic conditions

and is also used as a hair tonic, encouraging growth and restoring color.

Extracts are commonly found in commercial shampoos.



Applications



Aerial Parts



Infusion: Take the hot infusion for colds, influenza, rheumatic pains,

and indigestion; also as a stimulating drink for fatigue or headches.



Tincture: Take as a stimulant tonic. Combine with oats, skullcap, or

vervain for depression.



Compress: Soak a pad in the hot infusion and use for sprains. Alternate

two to three minutes of the hot compress with two to three minutes of

applying an ice pack to the injury.



Hair rinse: Use the infusion as the final rinse for dandruff.



Essential oil



Oil: Add 10 drops to the bath to sooth aching limbs or to act as a

stimulant in nervous exhaustion.



Massage oil: Dilute 1 ml rosemary oil in 25 ml sunflower or almond oil

and massage into aching joints and muscles, into th4e scalp to stimulate

hair growth, or use on the temples for headaches.



[The Complete Medicinal Herbal, by Penelope Ody (Member of National

Institute of Medicinal Herbalists, UK), pg 92; lots and lots of full-color

photo illustrations; Dorling Kindersley Inc., New York, 1993.]



* * * * *



My SO successfully used this combination of essential oils to treat her

depression and fatigue: 10 drops rosemary, 10 drops of bergamot, 5 drops

of lavender; she's used it just for sniffing (like smelling salt), or in a

one-cup boiling-water potpourri arrangement.  It has a mild but effective

and quick result (within 5-10 minutes).



--

hazel-chaz@netcom.com - Home of Margarita Jell-O, an alcoholic use for lime

jello.  For recipe, email me and put "request margarita" in subject, or put

it on the 1st line of your message.  More recipes, ftp.netcom.com:/pub/hazel



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 3 Jun 1994 22:17:19 -0500

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From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: nettles

In-Reply-To:  <9406040107.AA12364@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "Siobhan Perricone" at

              Jun 3, 94 09:05:50 pm



>

> I have just an [expletive]-lo> Anyway, any suggestions would be nice.

> What are nettles good for?

> Siobhan

>

Nettles are great! Cook the young greens like spinach (use gloves when

handling, but the toxins that causes them to "sting" is neutralized by

boiling) and they are delicious. The sting is also neutralized by

drying, if you prefer.

 They are rich in iron.

Also, they have been found to be a natural

anti-allergen in recent years and are used medicinally in Europe. Check

out books on wild edilbe plants to learn more. Your library should have

at least one!



--



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 4 Jun 1994 16:41:54 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re[1]: yeast infections: follow-up



There are three questions with using yoghurt as an inhibitor of Candida albicans

.

1. The bio-activity of the yoghurt. Is there any live L.acidophilus, if there wa

s, during incubation, there should have been growth within the yoghut culture.

2. There are many strains L.acidophilus, some are effective and some are not. A

substantial amount of the research performed on  L.acidophilus has been done on

the North Carolina strain (Named after the university which experimented with al

l the strains.) This strain shows to be the most viable strain for in-vivo use.

3. Candida albicans resides mainly in the large colon, as does mainly lactobacil

lis bifidus, so may be you would find this species far more effective in treatme

nt.



I think the interesting part of this study, is the action of the fumes from alli

um sativum (garlic). I think this would be of value to be looked into further.



I think Rachel has performed some good work considering it was done in a high sc

hool environment and the time frame to do it.



Leighton Philips, Brisbane. AUSTRALIA

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 4 Jun 1994 16:46:12 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re[1]: yeast infections:  follow-up



This is not correct, if you place 'active yogurt' and incubate it, you will see

growth of the bacteria. The pH may enhance this process or destroy the bacteria.

 However, the enviorment which was stated in the experiment should be fine.



Leighton Philips, Brisbane. AUSTRALIA

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 4 Jun 1994 16:55:04 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Yeast Infections, Yoghurt is it effective ?



There are three questions with using yoghurt as an inhibitor of Candida albicans

.

1. The bio-activity of the yoghurt. Is there any live L.acidophilus, if there wa

s, during incubation, there should have been growth within the yoghurt.

2. There are many strains L.acidophilus, some are effective and some are not. A

substantial amount of the research performed on  L.acidophilus has been performe

d on the North Carolina strain (named after the university which discovered this

 strain) This strain shows to be the most viable strain for in-vivo use.

3. Candida albicans resides mainly in the large colon, as does mainly lactobacil

lis bifidus, so may be you would find this species far more effective in the tre

atment of candida albicans growth.



I think the interesting part of this study, is the action of the fumes from alli

um sativum (garlic). I think this warrants further investigation. How many times

 do we see 'aged garlic' and 'odourless' forms advertised as the most effective

and safe to use. I feel that the natural form is most effective, and that most o

f the marketing and advertising is solely pushed by the big manufacturers.



I think Rachel has performed some good work considering it was done in a high sc

hool environment and the time frame it was done in.



Leighton Philips, Brisbane. AUSTRALIA

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 4 Jun 1994 17:10:33 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Lymphatics/alteratives, Blood cleansers - Mode of Action ?



As herbalists we use the generic term 'blood cleansers' for the herbs which have

 alterative and lymphatic actions. Some examples of these herbs are...



1. Echinacea angustifolia

2, Iris versicolor

3. Actium lappa

4. Phytolacca decandra

5. Berberris aquifolium

6. Rumex crispus



By physiology, we find out that the blood is cleansed by the kidneys and the liv

er, plus the continual drawing effect of the lymphatic system. The question is t

hen, do the above herbs and others in the same action group increase liver detox

ification mechanisims, kidney function, defaction or increase lymph node functio

n.



I do realise that some of these herbs are also laxatives, chologogoes and diuret

ics, and by our naturopathic philosophies we explain the 'blood cleansing' funct

ion by this. However when you look into the pharmacology of these herbs and also

 understand other laxatives, hepato-protective and diuretic herbs, the naturopat

hic theory fails...



The best model I have heard (Come from the U.K.), is that the alterative or 'blo

od cleansing' herbs function comes from their effect on the adipose (fat) tissue

 of the body. Much of the 'toxic' material we are trying to eliminate from the b

ody is stored in the adopise tissue. The 'blood cleansers' release these toxins

into the circulation (which explains why their is an initial increase in symtoms

 while on these type of herbs) and the kidneys and the liver excrete them.



I would like to know if there are any other ideas on this, looking forward to yo

ur replies...



Leighton Philips, Brisbane. AUSTRALIA

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 4 Jun 1994 06:21:59 +0500

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Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Barbara Wright <wrightbl@FHS.CSU.MCMASTER.CA>

Subject:      Thanks for help for Depression



Hello all,



        Thank you very much to all of you who replied with help and

encouragement for my long standing problem with depression and

moodswings.

        Yes, I do believe that it is both physical and psychological,

and I have taken steps for help in both those aspects.  As well, I

have started to read a couple of the books that were recommended, and

will read each of them over the next few months.

        (I will shortly be replying to those of you who sent me

personal messages.)

        Thanks again for your help and caring.



Barb Wright



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 4 Jun 1994 18:01:10 -0700

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From:         Jack Van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.RAIN.COM>

Subject:      Re: nettles

In-Reply-To:  <m0q9kDS-0001YyC@pacifier.rain.com>



> I have just an [expletive]-load of nettles growing wild in the part of

> our 2 acres we don't mow or turn into lawn.

>

> What are nettles good for?



Siobhan, it may be a bit late this year, but they are a great potherb in

early spring.  (my kids disagree).



Cut the young shoots (carefully) or take the tops only if they are more

than a foot high.  Treat like spinach (= rinse, cook, add a bit of vinegar).



Did that a few years, and the quantity dropped, so stopped for a year.



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 5 Jun 1994 10:57:56 +0100

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From:         Lars Fuchs <lafulff4@INET.UNI-C.DK>

Subject:      Thanks for the rosemary help

In-Reply-To:  <199406040124.SAA02828@netcom.com>



Thanks to everyone who sent (is sending, will send? ;-)) rosemary info.

We're itching to try 'em out.



Thanks loads!

Lars & Dada



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 5 Jun 1994 19:36:57 -0400

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From:         Roger Burns <rburns@CAP.GWU.EDU>

Subject:      Nutrition policy / FDA discussion (fwd)



Cross-post to Holistic, Yeast-L, Herb, and VegLife:



Some people on e-mail groups that I participate in (CFS-L, FIBROM-L,

immune) are talking about creating a new discussion group for government

policies on dietary/nutritional supplements (vitamins, etc.) such as policies

by the U.S. FDA.  Many are interested in seeing such a group created,

however no one has yet volunteered to manage such a group.  I myself

already co-manage 8 lists, so I can't take this on as a permanent

responsibility but I can assist and guide the creation of such a group

w.r.t. various technical and administrative steps.



Ideally, the group should be both a Listserv e-mail group and also

gatewayed to a usenet newsgroup.  If anyone is interested in managing such

a group, please let me know by private e-mail.



-- Roger Burns   rburns@cap.gwu.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 5 Jun 1994 22:01:29 EST

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From:         ASHTANA <ACRUCE@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      yeast-l



Can someone give me the listserv address to YEAST-L...i've been battling with

yeast infections for years and am doing independant research on the topic in

relation to women's health!  thanks in advance!

        Also, if anyone has any good herbal douche or suppository recipes for

yeast infections, pleez pass them on!



ashley cruce

bloomington women's health collective

p.o. box 3207

bloomington, IN

47402-3207



@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

@ Why would women want to be equal to unfree men?      @

@       --Emma Goldman (1910), "On Women's Suffrage"   @

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      This a check from Austrlia



Did anyone get this Email from Leighton Phillips, Australia

Please respond



Leighton Phillips

LPhillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 08:50:50 CST

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From:         Barbara Ollar <GE2380@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU>

Subject:      This a check from Austrlia

In-Reply-To:  note of 06/05/94 23:26



From: Barbara Ollar

     Special Collections, Morris Library

_____GE2380 @ SIUCVMB

Yes. Came through just fine.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:43:37 GMT

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Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Elizabeth Scherbak <scherbak@STARSHIP.ATTMAIL.COM>

Subject:      Chaparral



Does anyone know about dosages for chaparral ? I have started grinding the

herb in a coffee grinder and filling 00 size capsules with it for

my brother who has brain cancer. I've read that chaparral has anti-tumor

properties and can pass through the blood-brain barrier.

What we need to know is what is the maximum dosages he can take...

Are there toxic level of chaparral ?

His cancer is very very serious so he wants to take the absolute

possible maximum amount.



We'd greatly appreciate any information.



Thank you,

Liz Scherbak



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 09:52:19 -0500

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From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: This a check from Austrlia

In-Reply-To:  <9406060841.AA16714@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "LEICHTON PHILLIPS" at

              Jun 5, 94 05:42:13 pm



>

> Did anyone get this Email from Leighton Phillips, Australia

> Please respond

>

> Leighton Phillips

> LPhillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

>

message received



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu - Atlanta, GA



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 08:22:45 CDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Phil Mueller <hi23ahg@MAILHOST.TCS.TULANE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: This a check from Austrlia

In-Reply-To:  <199406060419.XAA90640@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>; from "LEICHTON

              PHILLIPS" at Jun 5, 94 5:42 pm



Leighton,

It came through to New Orleans, LA with no apparent problem.

Phil



 Did anyone get this Email from Leighton Phillips, Australia

 Please respond



 Leighton Phillips

 LPhillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU



--



Phil Mueller

hi23ahg@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu

Tulane Graduate School

Xavier Univ. of LA History Dept.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 09:55:16 -0400

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Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Merle Finch <merle@UNX.SAS.COM>

Subject:      Re: This a check from Austrlia

In-Reply-To:  <199406060425.AA06712@lamb.sas.com> from "LEICHTON PHILLIPS" at

              Jun 5, 94 05:42:13 pm



I got it in Cary, North Carolina, USA



>

> Did anyone get this Email from Leighton Phillips, Australia

> Please respond

>

> Leighton Phillips

> LPhillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

>



--

Merle Finch  merle@sas.com  SAS Institute Inc, SAS Campus Dr, Cary NC 27513-2414

.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 15:31:01 +0100

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From:         "M.Justice" <M.Justice@GEOGRAPHY.HULL.AC.UK>

Subject:      Replying to test messages

In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Phil Mueller" at Jun 6, 94 08:22:45 am



Come on, people!



At least reply to Leighton Phillips' test message via his own e-mail

address - the whole list doesn't want to know you got the message:-)



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Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 11:24:53 -0500

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From:         GUEST@LOON.HOUSE.LEG.STATE.MN.US

Subject:      Re: This a check from Austrlia

In-Reply-To:  "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB%TREARN.BIT



"'s message of Sun, 5 Jun 1994 17:42:13 +1000

cc:

Sender: nmanzi

From: nmanzi

Repository: MASTER

Originating-client: mn_house



YES.



nmanzi@loon.mn.house.leg.state.us



;Minnesota House of Representatives



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 08:48:26 PDT

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From:         Sonya Babbitt <sonyab@REDREDROSE.LABS.TEK.COM>

Subject:      Re: nettles

In-Reply-To:  Your message of Fri,

              03 Jun 94 21:05:50 -0500. <9406040107.AA09664@tektronix.TEK.COM>



Sidbhan,

You can steam or boil the young leaves and eat as you would

greens.  Cooking the leaves eliminates the sting.  They are

very high in iron.



If you grasp the leaves firmly instead of lightly or brushing

against them they will not sting you.  But most say be safe

and wear gloves.  If you get stung, break open the stock of

the plant and rub the juice on the stinging area and it is

suppose to eliminate the sting of the nettle leave



Also you can make cordage by twining the dry stock of the nettle

plant.  Cut the stock down of a mature plant.  Dry it completely

then you take the stock and break out the hard woody part with

your fingers.  Then you take bundles of the semi-soft fibers

and twine them together.  If you are interested in this part

I will get you more information.  I can't quite remember how

to do this.  You either take 2 or three bundles of fibers and

twine them together, I believe while they are wet.  Depending

on the size of the bundles you will make different sizes of twine.

The twine can be used to make jewelry or a basket or even rope

if you had lots of the fibers.



Hope this helps.

Sonya



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 12:55:04 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         ward@VAX.LIBRARY.UTORONTO.CA

Subject:      Re: nettles



Nettles are also great compost accelerators, providing nitrogen as well.



Dana Ward

ward@vax.library.utoronto.ca



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 18:09:13 +0100

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "M.Justice" <M.Justice@GEOGRAPHY.HULL.AC.UK>

Subject:      Replying to test messages



Come on, people!



At least reply to Leighton Phillips' test message via his own e-mail

address - the whole list doesn't want to know that you got the message:-)



  _________________________________________________________

* Marion Justice                            ____________    *

* SGER, University of Hull,                /\    /\    /\   *

* Cottingham Road, Hull HU6 7RX, England  /__\   ||   /__\  *

* e-mail : m.justice@geo.hull.ac.uk      (____)  ||  (____) *

* phone  : 0482 466332                        I==II==I      *

* fax    : 0482 466340                           ||         *

  -----------------------------------------------()--------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 09:59:07 PDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Sonya Babbitt <sonyab@REDREDROSE.LABS.TEK.COM>

Subject:      Reply to "Nettles"



>I have just an [expletive]-load of nettles growing wild in the part of

>our 2 acres we don't mow or turn into lawn.

>

>What are nettles good for?



Sidbhan,

You can steam or boil the young leaves and eat as you would

greens.  Cooking the leaves eliminates the sting.  They are

very high in iron.



If you grasp the leaves firmly instead of lightly or brushing

against them they will not sting you.  But most say be safe

and wear gloves.  If you get stung, break open the stock of

the plant and rub the juice on the stinging area and it is

suppose to eliminate the sting of the nettle leave



Also you can make cordage by twining the dry stock of the nettle

plant.  Cut the stock down of a mature plant.  Dry it completely

then you take the stock and break out the hard woody part with

your fingers.  Then you take bundles of the semi-soft fibers

and twine them together.  If you are interested in this part

I will get you more information.  I can't quite remember how

to do this.  You either take 2 or three bundles of fibers and

twine them together, I believe while they are wet.  Depending

on the size of the bundles you will make different sizes of twine.

The twine can be used to make jewelry or a basket or even rope

if you had lots of the fibers.



Hope this helps.

Sonya



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:09:36 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Stacy Ream <SREAM@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: This a check from Austrlia



Read you loud and clear in Bloomington, Indiana.  Australia



Stacy Ream



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:17:00 CST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         John Isenhour <ISENHOUR@FNLIB.BITNET>

Subject:      guarana



Anyone know about guarana?  Someone just asked me about it and its a new on on

me.



-john



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 14:49:45 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         SADVARI <s5715@HOPI.DTCC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: This a check from Austrlia

In-Reply-To:  <9406060025.aa01556@louie.udel.edu>



On Sun, 5 Jun 1994, LEICHTON PHILLIPS wrote:



> Did anyone get this Email from Leighton Phillips, Australia

> Please respond

>

> Leighton Phillips

> LPhillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:48:00 CST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         John Isenhour <ISENHOUR@FNLIB.BITNET>

Subject:      do others posting to herb get this message every time?



Every time I post something to HERB, I get this mail bouncing from

ubcpress.ubc.ca.  I have written the postmaster there several times

but to no avail.  Does anyone else posting to HERB get this?



>One or more addresses in your message have failed with the following

>responses from the mail transport system:

>

>   User <SANDHU@UBCPRESS.UBC.CA> not known at this site.

>

>Should you need assistance, please mail postmaster@red.ubcpress.ubc.ca.



-john (who is expecting more bounces from this post) :-)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 11:57:24 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Hazel Boston-Baden <hazel@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: Eats-L Query

In-Reply-To:  <199406060059.RAA19453@mail2.netcom.com> from "Coyle13@AOL.COM"

              at Jun 5, 94 08:50:11 pm



herb@vm3090.ege.edu.tr



eat-l@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu



send a message to:

listserv@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu

subject doesn't matter; message should say

subscribe eat-l yourfirstname yourlastname

subscribe herb yourfirstname yourlastname



(it'll automatically forward the herb request to the proper listserv)

my SO says you might also be interested in foodwine, so then you would add

subscribe foodwine yourfirstname yourlastname



--

lynn         hazel-lynn@netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 12:42:03 PDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Sonya Babbitt <sonyab@REDREDROSE.LABS.TEK.COM>

Subject:      Re: do others posting to herb get this message every time?

In-Reply-To:  Your message of Mon,

              06 Jun 94 13:48:00 -0600. <9406061854.AA11225@tektronix.TEK.COM>



Hi John,



Yes, I get that exact same message.  It has been happening for

about one week.



By the way how did you get this message through?



Sonya  sonyab@redredrose.LABS.TEK.COM



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 14:51:00 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Sarah Klein <SKLINESMAN@HAMP.HAMPSHIRE.EDU>

Subject:      sign me off please. Sorry I tried do it through listserv and it

              didn't work



please sign me off. I am leaveing for a few weeks. if anyone can send me the

file with info on how to do this PROPERLY, I'ld be very glad. I tried doing

it through listserv but it refused to acknowledge the existance of the list.



thanks



-sarah



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:15:20 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Lyn Belisle <belisle@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: guarana

In-Reply-To:  <199406061822.NAA07258@Paula-Formby.tenet.edu>



On Mon, 6 Jun 1994, John Isenhour wrote:



> Anyone know about guarana?  Someone just asked me about it and its a new on on

> me.

>

It's a natural stimulant.

       Lyn



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:34:05 ARG

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Silvia Bruschini <bruschi@ANMAT.SLD.AR>

Subject:      cucurbitacea



Dear Sirs:



We belong to the National Administration of Food, Drugs and Medical

Technology of Argentina (A.N.M.A.T.).



We have recently detected that some species of cucurbita maxima have

hybridized with cucurbita andreana.

As a result, a lot of people has suffered diarrhea in different degrees

after consumption of these vegetables bought at regular groceries.



Now, the question is: Is there any way to determine visually the difference

between c. andreana and c. maxima?

This should be very useful in order to warn people against buying the

wrong ones.



Thank you all in advance:



                Silvia Bruschini

                System Manager - Scientific communications

                A.N.M.A.T.

                Av. de Mayo 869 , 2nd floor

                Buenos Aires - Argentina

                T.E./FAX 54 1 342-8684



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 20:24:37 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         David_Merrill@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Re: guarana



Guarana = Paullinia cupana, cultivated in tropical South America

for its seeds which are roasted and pounded into a paste for

flavoring. They contain caffeine.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 20:24:41 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         David_Merrill@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Re: do others posting to herb get this message every time?



Yes; I thought it must be just me. Who ya gonna call?

David_Merrill@iwp.ccmail.compuserve.com



From: John Isenhour <ISENHOUR%FNLIB.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

Subject:      do others posting to herb get this message every time?

To: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>



Every time I post something to HERB, I get this mail bouncing from

ubcpress.ubc.ca.  I have written the postmaster there several times

but to no avail.  Does anyone else posting to HERB get this?



>One or more addresses in your message have failed with the following

>responses from the mail transport system:

>

>   User <SANDHU@UBCPRESS.UBC.CA> not known at this site.

>

>Should you need assistance, please mail postmaster@red.ubcpress.ubc.ca.



-john (who is expecting more bounces from this post) :-)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 21:20:57 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: do others posting to herb get this message every time?

In-Reply-To:  <9406061852.AA17360@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "John Isenhour" at Jun

              6, 94 01:48:00 pm



It happens to me every time. And, yes, I fully expect this one to bounce,

too. --



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 17:15:47 -0300

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Lester Blanchard <lesterb@ZILKER.NET>

Subject:      herbal studies information



Does anyone have any experience with correspondence courses in herbal

studies and aromatherapy?  I am interested in an accredited correspondence

course(s) as I cannot move or quit my job in order to attend an herbal

college.



OR, would I do just as well to study every herbal/aromatherapy book I can find?



Thanks in advance for any help you can give.



Kathy B., Austin, TX



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Jun 1994 19:34:36 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Tory Klementsen <tory@ISUMATAQ.ESKIMO.COM>

Subject:      Basil question

In-Reply-To:  <199406070031.AA08961@isumataq.eskimo.com>



Hi



I'm new to herbs and need some advice on basil. I live in Washington

state (western) and want to grow basil. I have very clay soil. I tried

last year and it all died. So this year I started two packages in some

starter trays and every single plant sprouted and died! How am I ever

goingo to make pesto?



Ideas?



                         |~

                        /^\                     Tory Klementsen

            |~         /_O_\                    Disney on the IRC

  ________/---\________|___|________

 /__^__^__|_^_|_^_^_^__|_^_|__^__^__\           tory@eskimo.com

 |___|____|_n_|_n_[]_n_|_n_|____|___|

 ====================================           A dream is a wish

      \          ()_()         /                your heart makes...

        \         (_)        /

          \                /

  ===================================



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 14:44:27 +1200

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         A Easton <Anita.Easton@VUW.AC.NZ>

Subject:      Basil question

In-Reply-To:  <199406070235.AA18265@rata.vuw.ac.nz>



Tory Klementsen writes:

 > I'm new to herbs and need some advice on basil. I live in Washington

 > state (western) and want to grow basil. I have very clay soil. I tried



I live in Wellington New Zealnd, (jhow far away can I get? :) but also

have a bad clay soil problem. I've grown basil successfully in soil

but digging in _lots_ or organic material, lots of compost, manjure

etc etc, anything to make the soil less clay like.



Dispite all that the best advice I can offer is to grow it inside in

pots :) I tend to have a couple of basil plants in 15cm posts, with

slow release fertiliser, and good, free draining potting mix. Basil

seems to like lots of water, but good free draining soil, just what

clay is not going to provide. If often use a layer of charcoal at the

bottom of pots which I water a lot, to keep the water sweet, so

I might try digging charcoal into the ground as wqell this spring

before planting basil. I'll just inclode a quick quote from my trusty

herb book :)



Basil likes warmth, so plant in a sunny position, or in a warm,

semi-shaded position in hot tropical areas [don't I wish - Nita :].

Acid soils will need a dressing of ground limestone or dolomite. On

light soils use 400 to 800g per m^2, on clay loams from 400 to 1500g

or more [odd, doesn't seem to need it in my clay soil - Nita]. Improve

clayey soils by working in sand. All soils should have ample organic

matter and adeqate drainage. A pH around neutral point, pH 6.0 to 8.0,

will give best results.



Oh, and it stresses good drainage in pot reared basil, so I think my

charcoal layer must be a good idea :)



Nita



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 00:36:36 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Kelly Martin <kelly@POVERTY.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>

Subject:      This a check from Austrlia

In-Reply-To:  Stacy Ream's message of Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:09:36 EST



wow, it seems we have quite a collection of bloomington folk here...

:)  on that line, where in/around bloomington is a good source?  i've

only been here a year and haven't had much time to explore...



love,



k.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 00:38:30 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Kelly Martin <kelly@POVERTY.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>

Subject:      do others posting to herb get this message every time?

In-Reply-To:  John Isenhour's message of Mon, 6 Jun 1994 13:48:00 CST



"John" == John Isenhour <ISENHOUR@FNLIB.BITNET> writes:



John> Every time I post something to HERB, I get this mail bouncing

John> from ubcpress.ubc.ca.  I have written the postmaster there

John> several times but to no avail.  Does anyone else posting to HERB

John> get this?



yes, i do too.



might i suggest the following command for our friendly listowner?



        DELETE HERB SANDHU@UBCPRESS.UCB.CA



at least set him/her NOMAIL, please... :)



love,



k.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 00:43:21 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Kelly Martin <kelly@POVERTY.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>

Subject:      sign me off please. Sorry I tried do it through listserv and it

              didn't work

In-Reply-To:  Sarah Klein's message of Mon, 6 Jun 1994 14:51:00 EDT



"Sarah" == Sarah Klein <SKLINESMAN@HAMP.HAMPSHIRE.EDU> writes:



Sarah> please sign me off. I am leaveing for a few weeks.



if you are leaving for a while but plan to return it is often better

to set yourself NOMAIL than to UNSUB entirely.  when you return you

would then set yourself back to mail (or digest) to resume receiving

mail.



to unsubscribe you need to send the command "SIGNOFF HERB" to

LISTSERV; to set nomail send the command "SET HERB NOMAIL" to

LISTSERV.  the restart command is "SET HERB MAIL" (or "SET HERB

DIGEST", if you want digests).



LISTSERV commands are sent by sending mail to



        LISTSERV@@VM3090.EGE.EDU.TR



with the command by itself in the TEXT of the message.



love,



k.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 08:11:08 MET

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         IVAN BLANARIK <Ivan.Blanarik@FPHARM.UNIBA.SK>

Subject:      Re: do others posting to herb get this message every time?



> Every time I post something to HERB, I get this mail bouncing from

> ubcpress.ubc.ca.  I have written the postmaster there several times

> but to no avail.  Does anyone else posting to HERB get this?

>

> >One or more addresses in your message have failed with the following

> >responses from the mail transport system:

> >

> >   User <SANDHU@UBCPRESS.UBC.CA> not known at this site.

> >

> >Should you need assistance, please mail postmaster@red.ubcpress.ubc.ca.

>

> -john (who is expecting more bounces from this post) :-)



The same message  I get after posting something  to HERB as well.

First time  I thought I made  some mistake, but next  time it was

the same.  I wrote to  postmaster but I  got no answer.  However,

I've got some responses to my posting to HERB. Maybe addresses of

some  people from  list were  changed but  not changed  in a mail

list.



Ivan

Blanarik@magist.fpharm.uniba.sk



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 08:45:22 MET

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         IVAN BLANARIK <Ivan.Blanarik@FPHARM.UNIBA.SK>

Subject:      Re: guarana



> Anyone know about guarana?  Someone just asked me about it and its a new on on

> me.

>

> -john



Guarana -  dried paste prepared  from roasted seeds  of Paullinia

cupata  (Sapindaceae). It  contains cca  3-6% of  caffeine and is

used as stimulans and a component of analgetic preparations.



Ivan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:34:12 GMT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Kevin Parker <KMP%university.offices@OX.AC.UK>

Organization: University of Oxford

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information



> Does anyone have any experience with correspondence courses in

herbal

> studies and aromatherapy?  I am interested in an accredited

correspondence

> course(s) as I cannot move or quit my job in order to attend an

herbal

> college.

>

> OR, would I do just as well to study every herbal/aromatherapy

book I can find?

>

> Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

>

> Kathy B., Austin, TX



Kathy,



As far as Aromatherapy is concerned, you DO need to attend for at

least some practical sessions. Any course worth its weight will

require you to pass an anatomy and physiology exam; much of the

study for this can be done by correspondence. However, you should

also be studying massage and essential oils, both of which should

require a lot of attendance.  Courses often offer a two week intensive

in e.g. massage - these are often well worthwhile. Aromatherapy

qualifications will require both a massage qualification aswell as an

anatomy & physiology one - these can be gained from other sources

which may be more convenient to you; all you then need to do is to

attend the essential oils part of the aromatherpy course.



Good Luck

Kev.



==========================================================

Kevin Parker @university-offices.ox.ac.uk

==========================================================



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 20:59:05 +1000

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re[1]: do others posting to herb get this message every time?



Yes I do.

Just think of what we can do, once we find this guy.



Leighton Phillips, Brisbane AUSTRALIA

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 21:05:45 +1000

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information



We have several in Australia, I do believe they are good, however lacking

the clinical experience which comes with full-time courses. Probably the

best school for medical herbalisim is based in Europe, it is called The

School of Phyto-therapy. It has a huge course, and is run by a Mr Hein

Zeylstra who is working with ESCOP (European Scientific-community on

Phytotherapy). If you would like any further information, please do not

hesitate to reply.



Leighton Phillips

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 21:30:56 +1000

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Reply to "Nettles"



Extractions from the Nettle plant have an anti-inflammatory action when

applied locally to skin inflammations. This would explain your quote to

the juice, of the plant stopping the sting.



Any further queries, be my guest...



Leighton Phillips, Brisbane AUSTRALIA

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 07:21:59 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Anne Cross <across@GATEWAY.US.SIDWELL.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Reply to "Nettles"

In-Reply-To:  <199406061741.NAA13180@gateway.us.sidwell.edu>



On Mon, 6 Jun 1994, Sonya Babbitt wrote:



> If you grasp the leaves firmly instead of lightly or brushing

> against them they will not sting you.  But most say be safe

> and wear gloves.  If you get stung, break open the stock of

> the plant and rub the juice on the stinging area and it is

> suppose to eliminate the sting of the nettle leave



Jewelweed is very good for nettle stings -- rub the leaves on the affected

area.  (It's also good for poison ivy.)



Anne



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 07:25:46 -0400

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From:         Anne Cross <across@GATEWAY.US.SIDWELL.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Basil question

In-Reply-To:  <199406070225.WAA14982@gateway.us.sidwell.edu>



On Mon, 6 Jun 1994, Tory Klementsen wrote:



> Hi

>

> I'm new to herbs and need some advice on basil. I live in Washington

> state (western) and want to grow basil. I have very clay soil. I tried

> last year and it all died. So this year I started two packages in some

> starter trays and every single plant sprouted and died! How am I ever

> goingo to make pesto?

>

> Ideas?

>



I live in Washington (D.C) and we got the same problem a few years ago:

clay dirt and all our plants died, so we ended up using a tiller and

putting in LOTS of good topsoil and a little bit of lime.



Are you sure the basil in the trays was in the sun?  They don't like the dark.



Anne

Washington, DC



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 21:45:08 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Chaparral



I am trying to get some figures for you. In Australia, we use ethanolic

extractions of the herb, however I will try to get the raw-herb figures.



Tell me are you using anything wlse for your brother, their are a number

of herbs which have been documented as being active against cancer.



If I can help in any other way just let me know.



Leighton Phillips, Brisbane AUSTRALIA

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:12:15 +0000

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From:         HenninN <henninn@RFERL.ORG>

Subject:      Essiac Collection



Greetings to all.



Is there a collection of info available on the list for essiac in the use of

treatment of cancer. I learned that the Mom of a dear old friend has an

inoperable malignant tumor of the pancreas and has onlyt 6-12 months. They

would like to try anything at this stage. I know essiac has been discussed a

great deal here, so don't want to tie up the net, but would like to get my

hands on whatever may have been collected, and I don't know how.



Any help welcome.



Many thanks,

Natalie



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:50:53 -0500

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From:         Siobhan Perricone <SIOBHANP@NORWICH.BITNET>

Subject:      LOOK Michael!



>We have recently detected that some species of cucurbita maxima have

>hybridized with cucurbita andreana.

>As a result, a lot of people has suffered diarrhea in different degrees

>after consumption of these vegetables bought at regular groceries.



>Now, the question is: Is there any way to determine visually the difference

>between c. andreana and c. maxima?

>This should be very useful in order to warn people against buying the

>wrong ones.



LOOK, Grumpy Michael!  One of those higher level questions for you!  :)



I'm so happy for you!



Siobhan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 08:46:57 MST

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From:         Shirley Thompson <DUSTHOMP@IDBSU.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Chaparral

In-Reply-To:  Message of Tue,

              7 Jun 1994 21:45:08 +1000 from <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>



I would be interested in knowing what other herbs have been documented

in curing Cancer.  thanks



 Shirley Thompson      User Service Center      Boise State University

                    Dusthomp@Idbsu.Idbsu.Edu                            du

Here's to it and to it again, if you don't do it, when you get to it,

you may never get to it to do it again. . .



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:03:23 -0500

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From:         "Fran E. Rich" <frich@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information

In-Reply-To:  <199406070212.VAA00468@Paula-Formby.tenet.edu>



> Does anyone have any experience with correspondence courses in herbal

> studies and aromatherapy?  I am interested in an accredited correspondence

> course(s) as I cannot move or quit my job in order to attend an herbal

> college.

>

Hi, Kathy - I'm just down the road in San Antonio and I've been wondering

the same thing. If you get any private replies would you forward them to

me, please?



One I'm considering now is by Rosemary Gladstar, founder of the

California School of Herbal Studies, co-founder of Traditional Medicinals

and author of Sage Healing Ways and herbal Healing for Women [so it says

in the Mountain Rose Herbs catalog] It goes on to say:



"This comprehensive 10 lesson course includes medicinal herbology, herbal

preparation and formulation, herbal therapies relating to body systems &

organs, extensive materia medica, earth ceremonies, herbal first aid,

natural cosmetics and skin care, wild plant identification and much more.

All homework and correspondence is personally answered and a beautiful

certificate is awarded upon completion. Complete course is $350. Lesson

One can be purchased to sample the course for $20. For more information

write to: Sage, P.O. Box 420, E.Barre, VT 05649"



The person I talked to at Mountain Rose Herbs (neat catalog! - P.O. Box

2000, Redway, CA 95560) said they had heard good things about it. I've

been meaning to send off for the sample lesson.



Fran



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:39:10 CDT

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From:         Norbert Hoffmann <hoffmann@STOLAF.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information



>

>One I'm considering now is by Rosemary Gladstar, founder of the

>California School of Herbal Studies, co-founder of Traditional Medicinals

>and author of Sage Healing Ways and herbal Healing for Women [so it says

>in the Mountain Rose Herbs catalog] It goes on to say:

...rest deleted



Fran, Kathy

            would you, please, include me in on any info you might have. I

would love to do something like that, too.

Thanks

Norbert



----------------------------------------------------------------------

... Norbert Hoffmann ................... Northfield, Minnesota ......

....St. Olaf College ................Cows, Colleges & Contentment ...

----------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:43:11 -0500

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From:         Sheila Emerson <sheila@LWNEXT.CRC.UPENN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information

In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Norbert Hoffmann" at Jun 7, 94 10:39:10 am



Hi Fran, Kathy, Norbert!



If you get any information, would you please pass it on to me, too!  I'm

also interested.  I'm in a post-baccalaureate pre-health program and would

like a career being a healer/M.D.  So, any info on "alternative" medicine

would be appreciated.



Thanks!



--

SLE

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                Maybe that's why it's so slippery.



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Computing Resource Center                       (215) 573-3567

Computing Services Consultant           FAX:    (215) 573-2110

3732 Locust Walk

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email: emerson@crc.upenn.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 16:37:24 GMT

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From:         Elizabeth Scherbak <scherbak@STARSHIP.ATTMAIL.COM>

Subject:      chaparral, etc



Leighton,



Along with chaparral, my brother is taking pau d'arco, astragalus,

licorice root, red clover (which I read should be taken together with

chaparral), fo-ti, suma, bee propolis, and echinacea.



He takes royal jelly which has included in it bee propolis and ginseng.



And pycnogenol which supposedly crosses the blood brain barrier.



The brain has a barrier which blocks chemicals and drugs from

reaching the brain - this makes chemotherapy for brain tumors

virtually ineffective.



We have no idea about the amounts of herbs to take and are just guessing

about dosages - we would like to take the maximum possible before

toxicity.



John's brain tumor is a glioblastoma grade 4, which is very fast

growing and considered incurable with a very short survival rate.

Since conventional medicine has no solutions we are trying everything

we can in terms of herbs and vitamins and maybe a miracle.



John also has started drinking Essaic tea, which I cook using

recipes I got through this network.



He's had conventional radiation during which he drank Barley Greens

powder which helped him feel better during radiation.



Please let me know about herbs being active against cancer.



Thank you very much,

Liz Scherbak



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:10:49 EDT

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From:         HowieB1991@AOL.COM

Subject:      herbal studies



>I'm in a post-baccalaureate pre-health program and >would

>like a career being a healer/M.D.  So, any info on >"alternative" medicine

>would be appreciated.



This is not a mail order course but may be of interest to you. It runs every

year from april to september.



Howie



____________________________________________



Tenth Annual

1994 Apprenticeship Program

Columbines and Wizardry Herbs



You Must Want To:



*Commit yourself to work hard. You can not break picking appointments, and

 must reasonably plan to finish the apprenticeship.

*Learn plant identification through keys and field characteristics.

*Learn our wildcrafting methods, including a high regard for the local

 ecosystems and the continuation of the stand.

*Find you own personal stands of medicinal and food plants.



Medicinal Herbs Covered in Depth:



Kinnikinnik                Valerian                     Pyrola

Mullein  Skullcap                    Osha                         Angelica

Yarrow   Ceanothus                 Manzanita                  Penstemon

Elder  Pipsissewa                St. John's Wort          Oregon Grape

Betony                              Arnica



     Apprentices will thoroughly explore many aspects of these plants. We

will  create useful herbal preparations with them. Harvesting and processing

a variety of roots, barks, leaves, flowers, and seeds gives you a rounded

view of plant harvesting techniques. The program will cover many  more

medicinal, food, and poisonous plants that we don't harvest.



      Upon completion of the apprenticeship, you will be able to identify,

locate, harvest, process, and use a plant you have never seen before.



Topics Covered:



Basic Botanical Terms

Plant Identification Through Keys: Practice is the only way to master this

   skill.

Plant Identification Through Field Characteristics: Certain plants are

   identifiable without a key by their unique markings.

Family Identification: We will cover the major plant families of the

   Northwest. This is a very useful plant identifying skill.

Plant Pressing: This will be an optional activity.

Locating Stands of Herbs

Ecosystem Identification

Tending and Propagating Stands of Herbs

Forest Ecology

Wildcrafting: We will explore values and techniques for personal and

    commercial harvesting.

Herb Quality

Cleaning and Processing Herbs: This is an essential  part of plant

    harvesting. We will use all of the plants collected. Apprentices

    will keep a complete selection of herbs.

Traditional Uses

Food and Spice Plants: This will include many a meal depending on student

    interest.

Poisonous Plants: For safety, we will learn to identify poisonous

    look-alikes of useful plants.

Herbal Preparations: We will discuss poultices, teas, tinctures, oils,

    salves, facial astringents, and more. We will make many herbal

    preparations in the field with fresh herbs. Apprentices keep a

    complete selection.

Threatened. Endangered, Rare, and Sensitive Plants and Ecosystems



What to Expect:



One Day Picking Trips: In the spring term,  the weekly one day trips in the

Cascade Mountains will focus on identifying, locating, and tending stands of

herbs. We will harvest and process some medicinal herbs and stop along the

way to enjoy food and spices plants also. We typically leave Sisters or

Eugene between 8 and 9 AM and return between 5 and 6 PM. Pack a good lunch.

Bad weather will not stop us from taking these trips.



Lectures: In the spring term, we will arrange weekly two hour lectures to

discuss each picking trip in detail and practice plant identification. In the

summer term, a series of six two hour lectures on herbal preparations and

medicinal uses will be scheduled accordingly.



Overnight Trips: Similar to one day trips, but with a closer feeling for the

earth. We will go to some remote and powerful places. There is one overnight

in the spring term and four in the summer term. Spouses and families can join

us on some summer overnights, with prior arrangements; however, they must

provide their own transportation. We generally car camp. Overnights count as

two single day trips.



Cleaning and Processing: Apprentices clean and process some of each of the

plants gathered on the picking trips. This is an important part of plant

quality.



Instructor:



Howie Brounstein is the owner /operator of Columbines and Wizardry Herbs,

Inc. He has taught botany, herbalism, and wildcrafting extensively over the

past ten years. He is also active in locating rare, threatened, and

endangered plant stands.



Other Information:



Apprentice schedules will determine the times and days of classes. The

spring term  will consist of nine one day trips and one overnight. We

require a minimum of two trips per month to continue as an apprentice. Three

cancellations without notice (no shows) are grounds for expulsion. Please do

not bring dogs on picking trips.

Enrollment in the summer term is based on the successful completion of the

spring term. It will consist of four overnight trips over a two month period,

or an overnight every two weeks. The summer schedule will include a series

of six lectures.



We will award a Certificate of Completion to those students who successfully

attend 80% of field classes and lectures of the entire program.

You will need to purchase A Manual of Northwestern Plants by Gilkey and

Dennis published by OSU Bookstores. This is sometimes available used. We also

require Medicinal Plants of the Mountain West by Michael Moore, Museum of New

Mexico Press.  Please be sure to buy the orange book on the mountain west,

not his newer Medicinal Plants of the Pacific West.  Many pages of printed

material will be handed out, so a large 1"- 2" three ring binder should be

purchased. Plant presses are not mandatory, but we urge you to use them for a

more complete record of the apprenticeship. Information will be available on

how to make them for almost no cost. You will need a knife or some pruning

shears, camping gear, and foul weather gear. Clothes are particularly

important. Rain pants, raincoat, a change of shoes, and waterproof boots for

walking in standing water or mud are essential for comfort.



How to Apply:



This apprenticeship requires commitment and many hours of travel. It is

exciting and rewarding in many ways: however, it is also hard work. It is not

for everybody.



Interviews will start in January 1994. The total cost for the spring term is

$510.00. A seventy-five dollar discount will occur for payment in full before

the first picking trip. Financing, work trade, and other trade options are

available. If you own a suitable vehicle, you can trade some of the cost of

the apprenticeship for its use on picking trips. Spring term will run from

April 1994 to June 1994.



The summer term will cost $350.00 and will run from mid-July 1994 to the

first week in September 1994. Successful completion of the spring term is a

prerequisite.



For more information or to arrange an interview write Columbines and Wizardry

Herbs at PO Box 1553, Sisters, OR 97759 or call (503)-389-6348.



E-mail address Howieb1991@aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:33:45 PDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Sonya Babbitt <sonyab@REDREDROSE.LABS.TEK.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information

In-Reply-To:  Your message of Tue,

              07 Jun 94 21:05:45 +1000. <9406071105.AA23268@tektronix.TEK.COM>



Hello Leighton,



I am not the original poster but would like more

information on the European medical herbalism school,

The School of Phyto-therapy.



Is it correspondance?  You mentioned it was a huge course,

can you say more about that.



Thanks

Sonya  sonyab@redredrose.LABS.TEK.COM



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:57:26 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         Hazel Boston-Baden <hazel@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information

In-Reply-To:  <199406070212.TAA04927@mail.netcom.com> from "Lester Blanchard"

              at Jun 6, 94 05:15:47 pm



Could please send me copies of the course information you receive?  I saw

your post on the herb list and I, too, am very interested.  Thanks in

advance!



--

lynn         hazel-lynn@netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 18:26:35 EDT

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From:         Sharon_Altergott@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Prozac



          Dear All,  In regards to the discussion last week on Prozac

          I wondered if there were any other comments regarding side

          effects users might feel.  My doctor just recently increased

          my dosage to 20 mg. 2X a day (AM and PM) after taking only

          20 mg. in the AM for about four years.  At first I felt

          better all day and slept better at night but after a week

          I'm feeling very lethargic during the day and waking up in

          the night.  It has been the best antidepressant I've used in

          12 years of treating clinical depression, by the way, with

          the least side effects by far.  The comment about feeling

          "like a robot" was interesting and I could identify with it

          sometimes.  I also have some highs and lows--sometimes feel

          very energized and think and talk fast and other times am

          very slow and lethargic.  Wish I could do without any

          medication for the depression, but my past history when off

          any antidepressant has not been favorable. Thanks for your

          input.  Sharon Altergott@iwp.ccmail.compuserve.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 18:26:38 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         David_Merrill@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Re[2]: herbal studies information



I've never met Rosemary Gladstar, but she's in great demand at

herb festivals all over the country, and everything I've heard

about her has been good. Just thought you might like a vote of

confidence. The sample lesson really makes it a no-lose

proposition.



d:=)}<>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:50:16 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Susan H. Hauer" <HAUE5069@SNYPLAVA.BITNET>

Organization: SUNY at Plattsburgh, New York, USA

Subject:      Re: Basil question



I encountered the same problem in upstate New York-not with the clay soils,

but in the general growing of basil and found that the greatest success comes

from planting the seeds or established plants in containers with a prepared

soil material ( I use my own secret recipe) that can be moved outdoors in

good weather and back into the kitchen when its inclement...this also gave

us great basil in December!  Good Luck!            Sue in Plattsburgh, N.Y.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:46:26 CDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "E. Sezonov" <z999046@MDACC.MDA.UTH.TMC.EDU>

Subject:      FAQ file



Hello you'all,

It may be high time to have a FAQ file (for Frequently Asked Questions)

for this list for questions like:



 - Has anybody ever heard of Essiac?   or



 - I would be interested in knowing what other herbs have been documented

   in curing Cancer.  thanks   Shirley Thompson



The file could show among other things:

   - how to search the archives

   - suggest what might be appropriate network behavior, such as hinting

     that the writer state *some* previous effort at researching his/her

     question, instead of asking such _B R O A D_ questions as "what's

     the meaning of life" or "what herbs are good to stay healthy".



That way we would have a concerted plan of action and mail that file *to* the

sender directly (not to the list), thus reducing everyone's frustration...

Or am I the only one that feels frustrated?  I remember some fiery

objections to simplistic questions followed by screams like



  *** WHY DONT YOU GO TO YOUR LIBRARY!!! ***



Lets hear it for the FAQ.



Like I said, this is a great list, great list.



E.S.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 10:57:53 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: LOOK Michael!

In-Reply-To:  <199406071458.AA17524@mail.crl.com>



Michael's off on a vacation...



---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



On Tue, 7 Jun 1994, Siobhan Perricone wrote:



> >We have recently detected that some species of cucurbita maxima have

> >hybridized with cucurbita andreana.

> >As a result, a lot of people has suffered diarrhea in different degrees

> >after consumption of these vegetables bought at regular groceries.

>

> >Now, the question is: Is there any way to determine visually the difference

> >between c. andreana and c. maxima?

> >This should be very useful in order to warn people against buying the

> >wrong ones.

>

> LOOK, Grumpy Michael!  One of those higher level questions for you!  :)

>

> I'm so happy for you!

>

> Siobhan

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Jun 1994 18:28:25 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Siobhan Perricone <SIOBHANP@NORWICH.BITNET>

Subject:      sumac



My husband, long ago on long island, took a wild edibles class, and was

told how to make "sumac-ade".  We now live in Vermont, and he is wondering

if the sumac-like plants he is seeing here are the same thing or some

deadly variant on the sumac growing on long island, and how he can tell.



Can anyone help?



Siobhan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 12:57:07 PDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Sonya Babbitt <sonyab@REDREDROSE.LABS.TEK.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information

In-Reply-To:  Your message of Tue,

              07 Jun 94 10:57:26 -0700. <9406071907.AA16560@tektronix.TEK.COM>



Hello,



I have forgotten all the people that showed interest and even

the name of the original poster, so I cannot address this to

them.



I would like to have a copy of the herbal course information

also.  Or maybe there has been enough interest on the list to

just post the information to everyone.



Thanks for the information.

Sonya  sonyab@redredrose.LABS.TEK.COM



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Jun 1994 21:46:06 PRT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Comments:     Resent-From: Jose Sieuve Afonso <B69@PTEARN>

Comments:     Originally-From: Jose Sieuve Afonso <B69@PTEARN>

From:         Jose Sieuve Afonso <B69@PTEARN.BITNET>

Subject:      Leonotis leonurus: anyone??



Hi!

Does anyone knows/works on the Leonotis leonurus plant??

It's a South Afric endemic, shrub. It's know by some medecinal proprieties

against bees & snakes stings.

I'm currently working on this plant and I would like to get and give info

on this plant.

If you're interested, e-mail me to this address:



b69@ptearn.bitnet



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 9 Jun 1994 10:23:40 -0600

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         michael niesen <michael.niesen@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information

In-Reply-To:  <6D062A254C048D2C@CC.UTAH.EDU>



I once saw a posting regarding where one could go for homeopathic studies

and I thought I had saved it (ya right ;-P) and can't seem to find it.  If

anyone has that kind of information for a post graduate wanting to pursue

a medical career, I, for one, would greatly appreciate it.  You may mail

me directly if no one else on the list wants the information.



Thank you in advance!!



-  M i c h a e l   J.   N i e s e n  -|I think, therefore I am, I think.

E-mail: mjn3462@m.cc.utah.edu         |

                                      |Disclaimer: My opinions are mine,

It is only impossible until it's not! |get your own.  ;-)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 9 Jun 1994 15:49:20 EST

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From:         Health Sciences Libraries Consortium <herb@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG>

Subject:      ginseng and grape juice



Does anyone have knowledge of combining ginseng and grape juice to create a

"miracle" curative?  Antecdotes?  I am familiar with the common uses of

ginseng, but this combination is new to me.  The medical listerature has

no mention of it.  Thanks for all and any responses!



Wendy Skinner

crouse@shrsys.hslc.org



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Jun 1994 22:11:16 +1200

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From:         A Easton <Anita.Easton@VUW.AC.NZ>

Subject:      Prozac

In-Reply-To:  <199406100808.AA03363@rata.vuw.ac.nz>



Just wanting to show a case of extreme sideeffects :) And btw these

are extreme, I'm the first person to have this kind of side-effects on

Prozac in New Zealand thoug they have been reported in the US among

other places.



I stopped being able to stand up and see. Well I stopped being able to

balance and focus my eyes. I ended up in hospital having all those

groovy tests for brain tumours, MS etc etc In the end after a pretty

thorough literature search they decided it was the Prozac, took me off

it and the effects wen away over a couple of weeks. I went on another

anti-depressant (of a different type - a tricyclic i believe) and that

didn't have any of the same effects.



But I'm the only person I know of to have had these effects (ho I know

another who also had a bad reaction and had to be taken off it) and I

suspect it's more that I often have weird reactions to drugs.



Anita



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From:         Joan Colburn <JOAN@SHAMU.MTN.NCAHEC.ORG>

Organization: NC Mountain AHEC

Subject:      Chammomile



I've just purchased some German and some Roman Chammomile.  Can anyone

please tell me the difference(s) between the two?  I can find some

info' about the German, but not the Roman.



I'm particularly interested in medicinal uses of plants.



Thanks!

Joan Colburn   ---   joan@shamu.mtn.ncahec.org



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Stacy Ream <SREAM@UCS.INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Prozac



I to did not do well on Prozac  but did not have horrifying side effects

like you Anita.  That sounds pretty scarry.  My side effects where that I just

got irritated very easily and felt edgy.  I am also on a different

antidepressant now (Zoloft) it seems to work really well at 100 mg but now my

liver is giving me trouble.  I have a rare liver disease (primary billiary

cirrohsis) and most all anti depressants bring up liver enzymes.  However, I am

in between a rock and a hard place.  I can't quite get over this extreme

anxiety depression because I can't take Zoloft and I'm scared to death of

another liver biopsy.  It's been a really bad and scarry week.  I just keep

trying to be positive and do a lot of praying.  I'm slowly getting better.

Take care all who have this horrible problem with depression.  I never had a

problem until last fall and I wouldn't wish it on my enemy.  I keep telling

myself I won't be in this long.   Stacy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         "Alan S. Evans" <al462@FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU>

Subject:      Essiac Collection



If you send the following to listserv@trearn (or listserv@trearn.bitnet),

you will receive a 146K file of all postings in 1994 which contain the

word "essiac":



//

Database Search DD=Rules OUTLIM=9999

//Rules DD   *

Search essiac in herb

Index

Print

/*



This is general search technique which can be used for any keyword(s) in

any listserv list.  For more info on this, send this to your listserv:



info database



Hope this helps.



Alan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Jun 1994 10:09:13 -0500

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From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Chammomile

In-Reply-To:  <9406101351.AA26770@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "Joan Colburn" at Jun

              10, 94 09:34:05 am



>

> I've just purchased some German and some Roman Chammomile.  Can anyone

> please tell me the difference(s) between the two?  I can find some

> info' about the German, but not the Roman.

>

> I'm particularly interested in medicinal uses of plants.

>

> Thanks!

> Joan Colburn   ---   joan@shamu.mtn.ncahec.org

>

According to Rodale's Illustrated Encyclopedia of Herbs:

German chamomile is _Matricaria recucita_ and is considered *the*

chamomile of German-speaking peoples. It is an annual.



Roman chamomile is _Chamaemelum nobile_, considered *the* chamomile of

ENglish-speakaing peoples. It is a perennial except where winters are

very harsh, and even then often survive if heavily mulched.



Why the confusion? According to Rodale, C. nobile is probably the *the*

chamomile and that the problem began with Linnaeus, who first classified

and named both plants. He named German chamomile M. chamomilla, probablt

because it so closely resembled the Roman chamomile. Botanists have

sincced re-named it, but the confusion continues, nonetheless. BTW, those

who reject the German chamomile as a true chamomile call it (and other

members of the same genus) "mayweed."



Personally, I like them both. You can use them interchangeably. THey

share the same chemical properties (as do members of the Anthemis genus,

which is yet another lookalike). One of the most triking

"lawn-alternatives" that I have ever seen was a large patch of Roman

chamomile at a demonstration herb garden. The owner said that it was

plenty tough for foot traffic and invited me to get down and roll around

in it! It was flowering, a beautiful mix of deep green foliage and tiny

yellow flowers and fragrant.

Hope this helps -- sorry to go on so long



--



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Jeff Welch <WELCH@NIEHSE.BITNET>

Subject:      Pennyroyal, American or English



Hi Folks,



I want to try using pennyroyal to help control the local flea

population.  I have access to american pennyroyal, but was told

there was an english form also.  Are they equally effective in

pest control and are they both annuals?  Thanks!



Jeff

welch@niehs.nih.gov



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Jun 1994 17:43:29 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: chaparral, etc



I do understand what you must be going through, Australia is with you.



You seem to be using some very good medicines. I guess you have heard of

beetroot juice, it has a long history in tumour treatment. The herb

Mistletoe has also been used in cancer therapy.



Yours in Health and Happiness



Leighton Phillips, Brisbane AUSTRALIA

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Jun 1994 11:45:34 CDT

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From:         Norbert Hoffmann <hoffmann@STOLAF.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Chammomile



>

>I've just purchased some German and some Roman Chammomile.  Can anyone

>please tell me the difference(s) between the two?  I can find some

>info' about the German, but not the Roman.

Joan,

Roman chamomile is a perennial, low growing - good as a ground cover, it

is to my knowledge not used medicinally.

German chamomile is an annual, gets about two feet tall (at least it did for

me in good soil). This is the one that is used medicinally. I have used its

dried flowers as tea to sooth an upset stomach or gargle for mouth sores. I

have seen it used in skin creams and shampoos. I am sure your reference

explains all its properties, I don't know all of them off the top of

my head.

Norbert

----------------------------------------------------------------------

... Norbert Hoffmann ................... Northfield, Minnesota ......

....St. Olaf College ................Cows, Colleges & Contentment ...

----------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Ellee Margileth <emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>

Subject:      Molding Essiac



Has anyone who has prepared Essiac ever had a problem with it molding in

about 1 week?  I prepared it EXACTLY as the instructions indicated

including sterilizing jars, etc.  It has been in the refrigerator in a

paper bag in a drawer for darkness & it has molded.  I only made it a week

ago this past Wednesday.  According to the instructions I received, the 2nd

boiling round was for 10 minutes.  I've just looked over other postings

from this list and it said to boil for 20 minutes?  Did I get incorrect

information from this company?  If so, it is an expensive error.



Thanks for any help.



Ellee

emargile@solar.rtd.utk.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Jun 1994 17:31:05 -0300

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From:         Lester Blanchard <lesterb@ZILKER.NET>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information



>We have several in Australia, I do believe they are good, however lacking

>the clinical experience which comes with full-time courses. Probably the

>best school for medical herbalisim is based in Europe, it is called The

>School of Phyto-therapy. It has a huge course, and is run by a Mr Hein

>Zeylstra who is working with ESCOP (European Scientific-community on

>Phytotherapy). If you would like any further information, please do not

>hesitate to reply.

>

>Leighton Phillips

>LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



How wonderful to hear from you, Leighton!  What a coincidence--I read an

article recently about European phytomedicines.  It was published in the

HerbalGram, produced by the American Botanical Council, here in Austin, TX.



If you have an address for the School of Phyto-therapy, I would appreciate

receiving it.  Or, if you can direct me to another source, that would also

be appreciated.



Also, in the HerbalGram classifieds, the Australian Journal of Medical

Herbalism.  Do you know about this publication?  Would it be a good

periodical for reference?



Thanks for your reply.  I appreciate your time.  Looking forward to

visiting with you again.



Kathy B. in Austin, TX, USA, where our temp will be 100 degrees on 6-8-94.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Jun 1994 17:33:04 -0300

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From:         Lester Blanchard <lesterb@ZILKER.NET>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information



>Fran, Kathy

>            would you, please, include me in on any info you might have. I

>would love to do something like that, too.

>Thanks

>Norbert

>

>

>----------------------------------------------------------------------

>... Norbert Hoffmann ................... Northfield, Minnesota ......

>....St. Olaf College ................Cows, Colleges & Contentment ...

>----------------------------------------------------------------------



Hi Norbert!  Will be glad to keep you posted on any information I get on

courses.  I'm just glad there are folks like you, Fran, Lyn that are

interested in this as well.



Visit with you soon.



Kathy B.



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From:         Susan Christie <SCHRIST@NERVM.NERDC.UFL.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Chammomile

In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri,

              10 Jun 1994 10:09:13 -0500 from <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>



In reference to the chamomile lawn, I have a wonderful herb garden

book, which I will go this weekend and get the name of and then post,

which shows a fabulous such lawn patch, and yes it is described as

having a wonderful applelike fragrance when trod on.  I started my

own Patch, to go in front of my front door, which ironically has

little foot traffic (side door is official front door).  It is finally

beginning to branch out a bit.  Incidentally, the book says to keep it

mowed or shorn, and not to let it flower, not at least right away, so

it will make a carpet.  I look forward to rolling in it!!  Also,

I have the "true" camomile (don't know which one, I guess german),

that is used for tea, hair wash, etc.  In a previous e-mail, I mentioned

something is eating the leaves, which really insulted me personally,

as I was about to pinch the flowers for tea.  Darnit!   As to mint, I

also have been trying to develop a mint ground cover near the front

door area, and have had trouble getting the mint to do what I want (no

surprise!).  It gets leggy, sends out runners, and then disappears.

My other herbs intermingled with my vegetables are potted and then

sunk in the ground, so that they won't get out of hand.  I think I

will try to contain my mint in the future.  Maybe that will keep it

established.  I don't pick it or prune it, does that matter?  Are

runners supposed to be pinched?



Susan Christie

International Student and Scholar Services

Office of International Studies and Programs

123 TIGERT HALL                     TELEPHONE:(904)392-9087/FAX392-5575

UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA               BITNET:   SCHRIST@NERVM

GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA 32611          INTERNET: SCHRIST@UFNET.MAIL.UFL.EDU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Jun 1994 16:49:34 -0300

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From:         Lester Blanchard <lesterb@ZILKER.NET>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information



>The person I talked to at Mountain Rose Herbs (neat catalog! - P.O. Box

>2000, Redway, CA 95560) said they had heard good things about it. I've

>been meaning to send off for the sample lesson.

>

>Fran



Hi Fran!  I appreciate your information about Mountain Rose Herbs.  I will

send off for the sample lesson and let you (and anyone else interested)

know what it is like and if we should pursue the classes.



I very recently bought the Herb Companion Wishbook and Resource Guide.  It

was written by Bobbi McRae from Austin, TX.  It has several educational

opportunities listed.  Only a few offer correspondence courses.  I would be

more than happy to share this information with anyone interested.  The book

is published by Interweave Press, 201 East Fourth Street, Loveland, CO

80537 (ISBN 0-934026-74-2); retails for $16.95.  I have found this to be a

good resource and interesting reading.



I will keep you posted about any courses I received information about.



So long for now.  Have to get ready for work tomorrow and a 100 degree

Wednesday!



Kathy B.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Jun 1994 16:49:45 -0300

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From:         Lester Blanchard <lesterb@ZILKER.NET>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information



>Hi Fran, Kathy, Norbert!

>

>If you get any information, would you please pass it on to me, too!  I'm

>also interested.  I'm in a post-baccalaureate pre-health program and would

>like a career being a healer/M.D.  So, any info on "alternative" medicine

>would be appreciated.

>

>Thanks!

>

>--

>SLE

>;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

>

>        The road to success is paved with elbow grease and perspiration -

>                Maybe that's why it's so slippery.

>

>Sheila Lorrett Emerson                  Phone:  (215) 898-9090 or

>Computing Resource Center                       (215) 573-3567

>Computing Services Consultant           FAX:    (215) 573-2110

>3732 Locust Walk

>Philadelphia, PA  19104-6269

>email: emerson@crc.upenn.edu



Hello Sheila!  This is great!  I will be most happy to keep you informed

about any courses, etc. for which I receive information.  I appreciate your

interest and enthusiasm.



Kathy B.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Jun 1994 22:27:08 EDT

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From:         Glen Osmond <GOsmond@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Chaparral



Sorry I don't have any information about chaparral but for other info Jethro

Kloss's book "Back To Eden" recommends the following for Cancer.



Blue violet (whole plant, with rock rose and red clover blossoms), chickweed,

cleavers, coral, red clover (combined with blue violet, burdock root, yellow

dock root, dandelion root, rock rose, and golden seal), rock rose, slippery

elm, sorrel, virgin's bower, willow, wood sage, yellow dock, poplar, golden

seal, poke root (poultice, also tea), comfrey, blue flag, myrrh, echinacea,

aloes, gravel root, blood root, dandelion root, African cayenne, agrimony and

wild Oregon grape.



For tumors in general:

Blue violet, chickweed, coltsfoot (for scofulous tumors of tuberculosis),

coral, elder, hops, mugwort, mullein, rock rose, sanicle, skunk cabbage,

sorrel, St. John's-wort, tansy, white oak bark with hazel, wood sage, yellow

dock, flaxseed, sanicle, celandine.  Red root taken internally will help

destroy tumors.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Jun 1994 22:32:06 EDT

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From:         Glen Osmond <GOsmond@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: This a check fro...



O.K. on Long Island, N.Y.



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From:         Carol Crosby <GRCC1@DIN.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>

Subject:      Leg injury



My father fell against a ladder about a week ago and his lower leg

swelled up.  I gave him some arnica and used an arnica compress but

it has now developed into an open sore and is bleeding when he stands.

A doctor looked at it and gave him some antiobiotics.  He has much

pain - he says muscle pain - when he stands.  Any suggestions?



Carol Crosby

Brandeis University



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     But life itself is a gift...



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From:         "Davis Rhonda (davisr@nwrc.gov)" <davisr@OSPREY.NWRC.GOV>

Subject:      Re[2]: herbal studies information



     Fran, Kathy, Norbert, and Sheila--Please post your findings to me

     also!  I would be in favor of posting to the list because I think we'd

     all be interested (if not now, later maybe--when our lives aren't so

     full:>:>:>:>:>>.  All in favor say I!!-rhonda

     davisr@nwrc.gov

     But life itself is a gift...



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Hi Fran, Kathy, Norbert!



If you get any information, would you please pass it on to me, too!  I'm

also interested.  I'm in a post-baccalaureate pre-health program and would

like a career being a healer/M.D.  So, any info on "alternative" medicine

would be appreciated.



Thanks!



--

SLE

;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)



        The road to success is paved with elbow grease and perspiration -

                Maybe that's why it's so slippery.



Sheila Lorrett Emerson                  Phone:  (215) 898-9090 or

Computing Resource Center                       (215) 573-3567

Computing Services Consultant           FAX:    (215) 573-2110

3732 Locust Walk

Philadelphia, PA  19104-6269

email: emerson@crc.upenn.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Jun 1994 18:42:01 -0500

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From:         "Fran E. Rich" <frich@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information

In-Reply-To:  <199406102113.QAA09868@Paula-Formby.tenet.edu>



On Wed, 8 Jun 1994, Lester Blanchard wrote:



> Hi Fran!  I appreciate your information about Mountain Rose Herbs.  I will

> send off for the sample lesson and let you (and anyone else interested)

> know what it is like and if we should pursue the classes.



Yes do let us know, although hopefully I'll get around to sending off for

it myself.



> I very recently bought the Herb Companion Wishbook and Resource Guide.  It

> was written by Bobbi McRae from Austin, TX.  It has several educational

> opportunities listed.  Only a few offer correspondence courses.  I would be

> more than happy to share this information with anyone interested.  The book

> is published by Interweave Press, 201 East Fourth Street, Loveland, CO

> 80537 (ISBN 0-934026-74-2); retails for $16.95.  I have found this to be a

> good resource and interesting reading.



Great book! I use it too!



Kathy, since you're just up the road, you may be interested in the Resource

Guide our herb society did last year. Includes nurseries in San Antonio

and surrounding areas, including Gardenville. (Which by the way I'm kinda

disappointed in their move.) Has lots of basic info on growing herbs plus

recipes from our members and local chefs. (Hey Lyn, how 'bout a plug here :-)



> So long for now.  Have to get ready for work tomorrow and a 100 degree

> Wednesday!



Gonna be a long, hot one!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Jun 1994 11:28:36 CST

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From:         "Davis Rhonda (davisr@nwrc.gov)" <davisr@OSPREY.NWRC.GOV>

Subject:      Re: FAQ file



     I'm in favor of a FAQ file.  Also, could there be a list of suggested

     reading materials?  It seems to me that we all have superb libraries

     at home or remember some wonderful book from the library, etc., if

     there could be a compilation of titles, authors, publishers, ISBNs,

     and a brief (4-5 line) description of the contents each of us would

     benefit.



     The exchange of knowledge and ideas on this list could NEVER be

     replaced (not to mention the TLC we treat one another with -- [flame

     sheild on] most of the time [flame shield off]), but an FAQ would be

     helpful for newbies, forgetful types (me), oldbies, etc.--Rhonda



     davisr@nwrc.gov

     But life itself is a gift...



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Date:    6/10/94 9:22 AM



Hello you'all,

It may be high time to have a FAQ file (for Frequently Asked Questions)

for this list for questions like:



 - Has anybody ever heard of Essiac?   or



 - I would be interested in knowing what other herbs have been documented

   in curing Cancer.  thanks   Shirley Thompson



The file could show among other things:

   - how to search the archives

   - suggest what might be appropriate network behavior, such as hinting

     that the writer state *some* previous effort at researching his/her

     question, instead of asking such _B R O A D_ questions as "what's

     the meaning of life" or "what herbs are good to stay healthy".



That way we would have a concerted plan of action and mail that file *to* the

sender directly (not to the list), thus reducing everyone's frustration...

Or am I the only one that feels frustrated?  I remember some fiery

objections to simplistic questions followed by screams like



  *** WHY DONT YOU GO TO YOUR LIBRARY!!! ***



Lets hear it for the FAQ.



Like I said, this is a great list, great list.



E.S.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Jun 1994 17:26:35 -0300

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From:         Lester Blanchard <lesterb@ZILKER.NET>

Subject:      Re: Essiac Collection



>Greetings to all.

>

>Is there a collection of info available on the list for essiac in the use of

>treatment of cancer. I learned that the Mom of a dear old friend has an

>inoperable malignant tumor of the pancreas and has onlyt 6-12 months. They

>would like to try anything at this stage. I know essiac has been discussed a

>great deal here, so don't want to tie up the net, but would like to get my

>hands on whatever may have been collected, and I don't know how.

>

>Any help welcome.

>

>Many thanks,

>Natalie



Hi Natalie!  Please reference The Herb Quarterly, Fall 1993.  They did an

article on Essiac (Caisse backwards).  It was named after it Rene Caisse.

She got the recipe from an Ojibway hebalist in Ontario.  She treated

thousands of cases of cancer, after the patients had been through all

traditional medical therapies.  Ms. Caisse died in 1978, never giving her

recipe to any major medical company.



I have the article, which gives the recipe.  The instructions are lengthy,

so please let me know if you want me to e-mail it to you directly.  OR, if

there are other folks out there that would like the recipe, I'll be glad to

put it on the list.  The recipe is shown in a book called The Calling of an

Angel, by Dr. Gary Glum, (Silent Walker Publishing, Los Angeles, CA, 1988).



New Action Products provides a bulk package of the four herbs (4-month

supply at 4 oz. per day) and a brewing kit--all for $35.00.  They also sell

the prepared formula.  They are at 145 Ontario Street, Buffalo, NY  14207;

phone (716)873-6621; Fax (716)873-6621.



This is all the information I've seen on Essiac.  I hope this will help.



Kathy B. in Austin, TX, where we hit 98 degrees today.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Jun 1994 19:35:16 -0700

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From:         Hazel Boston-Baden <hazel@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Depression



Not about herbs, but since people are talking about problems with

depression I thought I'd mention something that helped me a lot.



I read a synopsis of a study showing that Nutrasweet(aspartame) can

increase feelings of depression in people already diagnosed with it.  I

stopped drinking diet sodas and I stopped most of my horrid downswings of

mood.  I'm still on medication, but I'm doing much better.



YMMV.





--

lynn         hazel-lynn@netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Jun 1994 18:43:51 -0300

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From:         Lester Blanchard <lesterb@ZILKER.NET>

Subject:      Re: Re herbal studies information



>I've never met Rosemary Gladstar, but she's in great demand at

>herb festivals all over the country, and everything I've heard

>about her has been good. Just thought you might like a vote of

>confidence. The sample lesson really makes it a no-lose

>proposition.

>

>d:=)}<>



Thanks, David.  I'm looking forward to getting my sample lesson.  I'll keep

everyone posted.



Kathy B.  :-)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Jun 1994 21:10:49 -0700

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From:         Mitchell Bebel Stargrove <mitch@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information

In-Reply-To:  <199406101136.EAA17164@mail.igc.apc.org>



The best places for studying homeopathy in a professional context are the

naturopathic schools:

Portland, OR - National College of Naturopathic Medicine - 503-255-4860

  - probable the best for homeopathy

Seattle, WA - Bastyr College of Natural Health Sciences

Arizona - SW College...

there are also several part-time courses, usually for professionals with

training



Mitchell Bebel Stargrove, N.D., L.Ac.

mitch@teleport.COM



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Jun 1994 21:29:55 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Leg injury

In-Reply-To:  <199406102129.AA13354@mail.crl.com>



You might want to be a bit cautious about so much Arnica....especially a

compress. Arnica is actually a bit of an irritant to skin. I would

suggest using it homeopathically. Besides that, you may want to

investigate the properties of the things you apply to other's bodies.



---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



On Fri, 10 Jun 1994, Carol Crosby wrote:



> My father fell against a ladder about a week ago and his lower leg

> swelled up.  I gave him some arnica and used an arnica compress but

> it has now developed into an open sore and is bleeding when he stands.

> A doctor looked at it and gave him some antiobiotics.  He has much

> pain - he says muscle pain - when he stands.  Any suggestions?

>

> Carol Crosby

> Brandeis University

>



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Jun 1994 07:09:42 -0500

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From:         Lyn Belisle <belisle@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information

In-Reply-To:  <199406110504.AAA26845@Paula-Formby.tenet.edu>



On Fri, 10 Jun 1994, Fran E. Rich wrote:



>

> Kathy, since you're just up the road, you may be interested in the Resource

> Guide our herb society did last year. Includes nurseries in San Antonio

> and surrounding areas, including Gardenville. (Which by the way I'm kinda

> disappointed in their move.) Has lots of basic info on growing herbs plus

> recipes from our members and local chefs. (Hey Lyn, how 'bout a plug here :-)

>

This is an unpaid testimonial :->  -- the San Antonio Herb Society's

Resource Book is wonderful.  Some of the information is regional, but

anyone who is interested in herb growing and herb recipes would love it.

The recipes include many from the first class restaurants in San Antonio,

some on the Riverwalk, some elsewhere -- also great ones from members, as

Fran said.  I would love to post one or two, but I can't keep a copy in

the house -- a friend has borrowed my last one.    Fran,

you would be doing

us all a favor if you would post the ordering information.  The book is a

spiral bound labor of love and is only about $11.



Looking forward to everyone's responses to the herb classes.



                Lyn



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Jun 1994 14:19:23 EDT

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From:         Jtreasure@AOL.COM

Subject:      UK Phytotherapy Scool Coursein North America



Those of you interested in The UK school of Phytotherapy might want to know

that the Dominion herbal College in BC offers the SAME course by

correspondence for North americans

their phone number is  (604)521-5822 Contact Judy nelson.

The course requires 500 clinical hours, attendance at annual seminars, and

exams for the final 3 years.

NB The course is 4 years and leads to possible accreditation

with the NIMH of uk which is not an accepted qualification or license to

practise in the USA, although it is one of the the best herbal medical

qualifications available currently.

jonathan

jtreasure@aol.com/jonno.demon.co.uk



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Jun 1994 13:22:55 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Depression (fwd)



> I read a synopsis of a study showing that Nutrasweet(aspartame) can

> increase feelings of depression in people already diagnosed with it.  I



** I am interested in which study you speak of. Since Aspartame is the

combination of two amino's and they degrade at body temperature into two

elements that are much more prevalent in fruit, I seriously doubt the

veracity of these findings. I am aware of the sugar industry's campaign

against Aspartame, as I am of their victorious efforts against other

sugar crops. One of the most recent is now banned for import into the U.S.

One of the prime effects of sucrose on the human body is the eventual

depression sometimes called the "sugar blues", this may be a case of the

research being funded by the "findings".

Please e-mail me the reference to this research.

-----------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Jun 1994 23:01:27 EDT

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From:         Ellee Margileth <emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Essiac Collection



Natalie,



If you have the Gopher or Turbogopher, there is information to be obtained

out there.  You can do a Veronica search by just keying in essiac.  If you

don't get anything on the first try, do a different veronica server.  It

took me a two different tries.  Unfortunately, I dumped all the info.



Good luck!



Ellee



>>Greetings to all.

>>

>>Is there a collection of info available on the list for essiac in the use of

>>treatment of cancer. I learned that the Mom of a dear old friend has an

>>inoperable malignant tumor of the pancreas and has onlyt 6-12 months. They

>>would like to try anything at this stage. I know essiac has been discussed a

>>great deal here, so don't want to tie up the net, but would like to get my

>>hands on whatever may have been collected, and I don't know how.

>>

>>Any help welcome.

>>

>>Many thanks,

>>Natalie



Ellee Margileth               Email: emargile@solar.rtd.utk.edu

Research Services             Phone: (615) 974-2908

The University of Tennessee   Fax:   (615) 974-6508

Knoxville, TN 37796-4020



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Jun 1994 10:19:50 PST

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From:         "FRED W. BACH" <music@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA>

Subject:      Re: herbal abortifacients



 Dear HERBS posters:



  This post came in VERY long lines which got trimmed somewhere along the

 way, possibly at this end.



  PLEASE LIMIT LINE LENGTHS TO 79 characters as per standard procedure !!!



  I have wrapped the lines manually below.  As you can see, the first

 paragraph, originally all on one line, was truncated somewhere.



  .. thanks



 Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca

 TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/333

 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074

 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

  Damien says " If you don't STAND for SOMETHING, you'll FALL for ANYTHING "

 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.

 They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.



>From:  MX%"HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de"  2-JUN-1994 08:55:59.93

>To:    MX%"HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de"

>CC:

>Subj:  Re: herbal abortifacients

>

>From: LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

>Subject: Re: herbal abortifacients

>Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@vm.gmd.de

>To: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

>

>While I am totally against 'abortion'. I will mention for research purposes,

> that all the Progestrogenic herbs/plants are potentially abortifacients. We

> see Vitex agnus castus has progestrogenic activity in vitro, it does this

> through pituitary gland stim

>

>Besides these, all the emmenogogues (Goats Rue, Fenugreek, Fenneletc.) have

> the potential to cause an abortion.

>

>I give this information, from a precautionary perspective to those who are

> prescribing phtomedicines, not as information for the use of these herbs for

> abortion.

>

>Leighton Phillips - Australia

>

>Lphillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 12 Jun 1994 16:27:46 +1000

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re[1]: herbal studies information



I will place onto the list all the relevant information regarding the UK

school. As for the Australian Journal you made reference to, it is very

good, it contains westurn (scientific) information behind phyto-medicines,

and disease treatment with phytomedicines. It is produced by the National

Herbalists Associatrion of Australia.



Thanks

Leighton Phillips, Brisbane, AUSTRALIA

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 12 Jun 1994 08:14:00 PST

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Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "FRED W. BACH" <music@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Depression (fwd)



>From:  MX%"HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de" 12-JUN-1994 04:54:16.31

>To:    MX%"HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de"

>CC:

>Subj:  Re: Depression (fwd)

>

>From: Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

>Subject: Re: Depression (fwd)

>Comments: To: herb@trearn.bitnet

>To: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

>

>> I read a synopsis of a study showing that Nutrasweet(aspartame) can

>> increase feelings of depression in people already diagnosed with it.  I

>

>

>** I am interested in which study you speak of. Since Aspartame is the

>combination of two amino's and they degrade at body temperature into two



  Does ANY of it get into the blood stream before it is broken down?

  If you say "no", how do we know that it is true for all individuals?

  Also, how do we know that it does not set up some allergic response

  in some strange individuals before it breaks down?



>elements that are much more prevalent in fruit, I seriously doubt the

>veracity of these findings. I am aware of the sugar industry's campaign

>against Aspartame, as I am of their victorious efforts against other

>sugar crops. One of the most recent is now banned for import into the U.S.

>One of the prime effects of sucrose on the human body is the eventual

>depression sometimes called the "sugar blues", this may be a case of the

>research being funded by the "findings".

>Please e-mail me the reference to this research.

>-----------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com------



  Rob,



  Well, it's OK to be cynnical about special-interest industries like the

 sugar and milk and red-meat industries.  Their motivations are obvious even

 from their advertising.



  Yet you cannot deny the many testimonials of serious, intelligent people who

 claim to be affected by this sweetener and who have been willing to experiment

 to confirm that this is the product to which they are sensitive.   It would be

 just all too easy a cop-out to say that their perceived ill effects are

 psychosomatic, which accusation has been made before by the ill-informed and

 un-affected self-righteous skeptics (not you), and which would be coming up

 soon in this present discussion here if the thread went ahead as this one

 always does.  So I will bring it up first and 'head it off at the pass'.



   That mind game ("we can't explain it so it can't be happening") is played ad

 nauseum every time there is something that we don't understand, something for

 which we have no explanation at the moment.  There was a thread on this on

 rec.foods... about two years ago where it was shown to my satisfaction that

 the artificially-sweetened soft drinks were associated with bad headaches in

 some people whereas the sugar-sweetened identical brand was not.  Combine that

 with personal family experience.  I saved most of the Usenet discussion and I

 should have it stashed away somewhere.  I believed the people's accounts and

 the results of their personal experiments, since I know from my very own

 experiences that certain things affect me in unprecedented, undocumented, and

 unexplained ways.  We are all unique individuals.  Why,  even our blood's

 structures (extrapolate that to exoctic body chemistry) are more complicated

 and more differentiated than our fingerprints; and our fingerprints are

 used to identify us as unique (!) individuals, with no two individuals on

 earth having the same fingerprints.  (Fingerprinting is cheap and non-

 invasive, whereas blood "printing" -- is that a new phrase? -- is difficult,

 expensive, not available everywhere and is certainly invasive.)



  I agree that this compound is composed of two amino acids found in

 foods, but they are not normally found joined together in nature in this

 way, are they?  Furthermore, since this combination is unnatural, one might

 ask what effects it has on the body BEFORE it is broken down.  I personally

 do not believe that it all breaks down in the mouth or in the stomach before

 it gets absorbed into the blood system.  Secondly, even after it is broken

 down, it might appear, from the reported symptoms, that those breakdown

 components may affect the balance of hormones and neurotransmitters in the

 brain, even if those breakdown components *are* naturally occurring in foods.



  It's not that science hasn't studied this artificial sweetener, it's just

 that they haven't studied it on the right group of people yet IMHO.



  .... Regards,



 Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca

 TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/333

 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074

 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

  Damien says " If you don't STAND for SOMETHING, you'll FALL for ANYTHING "

 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.

 They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 12 Jun 1994 14:13:21 -0500

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From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: sumac

In-Reply-To:  <9406101002.AA12034@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "Siobhan Perricone" at

              Jun 8, 94 06:28:25 pm



>

> My husband, long ago on long island, took a wild edibles class, and was

> told how to make "sumac-ade".  We now live in Vermont, and he is wondering

> if the sumac-like plants he is seeing here are the same thing or some

> deadly variant on the sumac growing on long island, and how he can tell.

>

> Can anyone help?

>

> Siobhan

>

Siobhn -- you just happened to ask about one of my favoriteIf the

"sumac-like" thing around there has red berries, it is indeed, an edible

species of sumac. There are actually several edible species, but the

choicest is the staghorn sumac. A local wild edibles person or naturalist

can tell you, but that isn't really necessary.  The poison sumac (which

is not deadly - it's in the same genus as poison oak and poison ivy --

touching it results in contact dermatitis) grows in low, marshy areas and

has white berries that usually droop.



THe edible varieties have red berries that grow in an upright fashion.

THey like it high, dry, and sunny. Edible sumac is much more prevalent

than the poisonous species and grows just about everywhere in the lower

48 states (except for the desert). --



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 12 Jun 1994 15:22:30 -0600

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From:         mabyoung <mabyoung@INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Prozac



Could someone please sing me off the herb listserv or tell me how to

disconnect?  I've tried treee times.



MABYOUNG@Indiana.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 12 Jun 1994 17:40:30 -0400

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From:         Diane Henderson <rdh1019@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Herbal treatments for chemo side-effects

In-Reply-To:  <199406122108.AA03260@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu>



I've recently completed chemotherapy and radiation therapy for anal

cancer.  I was in a very small percentage of folks who have severe adverse

side effects.  We didn't run the second round of chemo since it had

already wiped out all of my white cells.  Lingering side effects of the

chemo (cysplatin and 5FluoroUracil) include severe peripheral neuropathy

which may or may not be irreversible.  I am writing to see if anyone

knows of any herbal treatments that might help with the neuropathy.  Any

thought?



Diane Henderson <<rdh1019@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 12 Jun 1994 19:48:31 -0400

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From:         Don <dr2@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>

Subject:      Re: insectacidal soaps...

In-Reply-To:  <199406070245.AA18153@nfs1.digex.net>



What's the difference between the commercial "insectacidal soaps" and

good ole regular Ivory?  And if no differences, what's the recommended

dilutions?  And, are there any plants that are contraindicated for soap

use for pest control?



The reason I'm asking is that I've just FINALLY gotten the time to get

back into gardening and after being away for 20 years things have changed

a bit....and I've got a major aphid infestation that needs immediate

attention, but I don't want to use a compound that's going to give me a

third eye... :)



Thanks..



Don



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 12 Jun 1994 17:01:52 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Depression (fwd)

In-Reply-To:  <199406121537.AA14631@mail.crl.com>



>  I personally

>  do not believe that it all breaks down in the mouth or in the stomach before

>  it gets absorbed into the blood system.  Secondly, even after it is broken

>  down, it might appear, from the reported symptoms, that those breakdown

>  components may affect the balance of hormones and neurotransmitters in the

>  brain, even if those breakdown components *are* naturally occurring in foods.



** Your "personal beliefs" have been duly noted. All I asked for was a

reference to the study not a diatribe. There has been NO evidence <as of

Mar. 1994> of Aspartame causing any effects other than sweetening. However,

saccharin and other products have been found to be harmful. There have

been no reported "symptons" archived in any of the medical databases on

Aspartame at Ohio State, Stanford or Duke. From what I have collected, it

is evident that the product splits back into Phenylanine and Aspartic

residuals at body temp. with moisture. This is one reason you cannot cook

with it under those conditions. The further degradation occurs from ptyalin,

saliva and pepsin.  "Beliefs" aside if you want to talk facts...check the

databases, the JAMA references and the folks doing the research.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:56:35 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: ginseng and grape juice



I do not want to put a damper on your interests, but GINSENG

 is no miracle cure, it has many constituents with definite actions.



Also what are you using it for, their are several Ginsengs ?



What has grape juice got to do with Panax ginseng ?



Leighton Phillips, Brisbane, AUSTRALIA

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 12 Jun 1994 19:25:57 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: ginseng and grape juice

In-Reply-To:  <199406130051.AA05032@mail.crl.com>



> What has grape juice got to do with Panax ginseng ?



I believe that's what the original question was...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 17:10:50 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re[1]: ginseng and grape juice



The pharmacology between the grape (which one) and

Ginseng (which one) are vastly different. I would suggest

you are refering to the bottanical panax ginseng.



Panax ginseng contains constituents known as

ginsenosides which can be divided into diols and triols.

Panax (as it is reffered to) also contains steroidal saponins

(which are possibly oestrogenic)and pentacyclictriterpenoid

saponins.These constituents produce many varied effects on

human physiology and could easily fill a text on the subject.



In contrast to this, the grape (which bottanical name) has

rather a simple pharmacology of mainly carbohydrates and

water. The carbohydrate is primarily fructose. The skin

may contain various pharmacological constituents and may

exert some activities, however I am not sure.

The only use I have seen grapes used for medicinally is for

'fasts' and 'detoxification programmes'.



If anyone knows th pharmacology and actions of the grape

I can produce the evidence behind some of Panax's

functions.



Leighton Phillip, Brisbane, AUSTRALIA

LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 06:38:00 -0600

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         michael niesen <michael.niesen@M.CC.UTAH.EDU>

Subject:      Re: insectacidal soaps...

In-Reply-To:  <A3D530872A054E46@CC.UTAH.EDU>



On Sun, 12 Jun 1994, Don wrote:



> *DELETED TEXT*

>

> I've got a major aphid infestation that needs immediate

> attention, but I don't want to use a compound that's going to give me a

> third eye... :)

>

> Thanks..

>

> Don



Don,

 Though not a herbal remedy, lady bugs are excellent in the removal of

aphids.  I believe you can order them from some pet supply stores and/or

garden shops.  I think I heard that some of the mail order garden/herbal

supply companies have them, but I am unsure of any *specific* sources.

Hope this helps.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 09:48:12 -0400

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From:         Roberta Stapp <BINNIE@DUQ3.CC.DUQ.EDU>

Subject:      Green Barley (Green Supreme)



I don't remember if it was this list or not, but someone requested info on

Green Barley (Green Supreme).  Green Supreme is supposedly made up of

beta carotene, magnesium, manganese, potassium, iron, NATURAL calcium,

protein, zinc and many others.  Their address is:

143 Greenfield Road, New Wilmington, PA 16142 (412) 946-8334



Roberta Stapp

email: binnie@duq3.cc.duq.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 11:00:31 -0400

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Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

              <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Lana Wainman <WAINMANL@ONRSVI.AGR.CA>

Subject:      W. JOHNSON



Hello Wendy!



I have lost your internet address - apologies to others on line -

package received - thanks so much!



Lana



wainmanl@onrsvi.agr.ca



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 09:03:02 -0500

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From:         Beverly <CARVER@LIB.IS.TCU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information



Those of you who are interested in training for herbal healing,

homeopathy, etc., may want to take a look at a book called

Alternative Health Care Resources: A Directory and Guide, by Brett

Jason Sinclair. It is about 500 pages, and looks like it might be a

good place to start.



Also, I have noticed ads in the back of the Herb Companion for

courses.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 08:50:01 MDT

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From:         Jack Barclay <ASD003@NMSUVM1.BITNET>

Subject:      Need help in L.A./Long Beach area



Dear Friends,

     I need a favor from someone in the Los Angeles/Long Beach

area.

     On Wednesday I'm scheduled to fly into Long Beach to have outpatient

surgery (a hernia operation) performed on Thursday morning.  I'll have

a room at Holiday Inn next door to St. Mary's Medical Center.  I can't

be released from the medical center following my surgery unless I'm

released into someone's care and someone is supposed to stay with me

Thursday night following the surgery.  Friday morning after I see the

doctor, I'm free to fly home.

    I had been invited to stay with the godparents of one of my children

but on Friday night, one of them died unexpectedly of a heart attack

brought on by an asthma attack.  I need to make other arrangements on

short notice.  I'm wondering if anybody in the area would be willing to

stay with me Thursday night at the motel or at their home if that is

more convenient.  It can be someone's college age children or a spouse

or boy friend (I'm 58).  They will be able to follow their usual routine on

Friday.  I just need someone to let me be checked out and to stay

with on Thursday night.  Supper Thursday night is on me.

(My work phone is 505-646-4831.)

Blessings,

Jack

...Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty...(Anne Herbert)

internet address: asd003@nmsuvm1.nmsu.edu

bitnet address:   asd003@nmsuvm1.bitnet



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 15:21:05 GMT

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From:         Isabel Jen <najen@MBS0.ATTMAIL.COM>

Subject:      coconut question



Hi,



Does anyone know how to sprout a coconut?

While I was in Key Largo, Fla,  I went into a k-mart plant store, and  a local

 woman complained that the coconuts from her trees fell onto the ground &

 sprouted, and were quite a nuisance....



I live in a NYC apt & am  restricted to planting in pots. The green coconut I

 picked & planted just sort of sits in its planter with no visible sign of

 growth.



The superintendent of the bldg told me stick wires in the coconut & suspend it

 in water  'like an avacodo', but I'm reluctant to begin drilling.



The south facing window is quite sunny & all other plants are thriving and

 enjoying the summer humidity & heat - it's supposed to be in the 80's and 90's

 this week here in nyc-.



Thanks in advance,

Isabel



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 09:40:48 -0700

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From:         Patricia Harper <harper@HSUSEQ.HUMBOLDT.EDU>

Subject:      Accreditation of Naturopathic schools

In-Reply-To:  <9406110743.AA17325@hsuseq.humboldt.edu> from "Mitchell Bebel

              Stargrove" at Jun 10, 94 09:10:49 pm



>

> The best places for studying homeopathy in a professional context are the

> naturopathic schools:

> Portland, OR - National College of Naturopathic Medicine - 503-255-4860

>   - probable the best for homeopathy

> Seattle, WA - Bastyr College of Natural Health Sciences

> Arizona - SW College...

>

> Mitchell Bebel Stargrove, N.D., L.Ac.

>



I thought I would add the information that both Southwestern College,

(affiliated with the Baptist Church), and Bastyr College (under the

name Bastyr College--so it may not be the same), are fully accredited.



This means that the units earned there are acceptable at "regular"

colleges and universities.  Professional programs that are not accredited

(by the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions

Officers) may still be highly regarded within a specific discipline, such

as among Homeopathic practicioners.  However, should a graduate of an

unaccredited school wish to further her education at a mainline school,

units and degrees earned at the unaccredited school will not be useable.



Patricia Harper

College Admissions Counselor and Herbalist : )



harper@hsuseq.humboldt.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 12:56:00 -0500

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From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Pennyroyal, American or English

In-Reply-To:  <9406101625.AA15054@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "Jeff Welch" at Jun 10,

              94 12:20:32 pm



>

> Hi Folks,

>

> I want to try using pennyroyal to help control the local flea

> population.  I have access to american pennyroyal, but was told

> there was an english form also.  Are they equally effective in

> pest control and are they both annuals?  Thanks!

>

> Jeff

> welch@niehs.nih.gov

>

Hi Jeff--

Well it's back to the Rodale's guide to check out your question. I

heartily recommend it as a refernce tool for any herbal home library -



European: Mentha pulegium (from pulex, meaning "flea") Native to Europe

and the near Ear. Hardy to Zone 5, neutral pH, rich humusy soil

preferred, full sun to partial shade.



American: Hedeoma pulegioides (notice the pul-prefix again). Grows wild

throughout the eastern U.S. Prefers acid soil, full sun, and average, dry

growing conditions. THe Indians rubbed the leaves into their skin as an

insect reprellent.



Both plants are members of the mint family. Both are useful for keeping

fleas and other insect away.



--



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 12:56:51 EDT

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From:         Jtreasure@AOL.COM

Subject:      RE grape juice/ginseng



>I do not want to put a damper on your interests, but GINSENG

>is no miracle cure, it has many constituents with definite >actions.

>What has grape juice got to do with Panax ginseng ?

>Leighton Phillips, Brisbane, AUSTRALIA

>LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



OK here's the original question...cc'd



>Does anyone have knowledge of combining ginseng and grape >juice to create a

>"miracle" curative?  Antecdotes?  I am familiar with the >common uses of

>ginseng, but this combination is new to me.  The medical >listerature has

>no mention of it.  Thanks for all and any responses!



This posting did remind me of one anecdote that several years ago a lay

French healer/nurse in a hospice had suprising remission results treating a

group of terminal cancer patients on a diet of grape juice only. This was

hailed as a miracle... but I'm afraid I have not got the reference... maybe

someone else knows about this?



The point about the story is presumably that since grape skins are very high

in anthocyanidin flavonoid antioxidants, they could  have an anti-tumoural

effect where free radicals were involved in the disease.



P. quinquefolium could be seen in this context as an effective

restorative/alterative support because of its adreno-cortical support actions

and effect on encouraging nutritional malabsorption in the aged and

convalescent.



So - it is quite plausible to suggest grape skin(via juice)

and P quinquefolium as part of a regime aimed systemically at

the ageing process or against certain types of autoimmune and cancer

conditions. This of course has nothing to do ith "miracle cures"....



jonathan treasure

jtreasure@aol.com

jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 14:05:03 EDT

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From:         David_Merrill@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Re: Leg injury



On Fri, 10 Jun 1994 16:29:00 EDT

Carol Crosby <GRCC1@DIN.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU> wrote:



>My father fell against a ladder about a week ago and his lower leg

>swelled up.  I gave him some arnica and used an arnica compress but

>it has now developed into an open sore and is bleeding when he

>stands. A doctor looked at it and gave him some antiobiotics.  He has

>much pain - he says muscle pain - when he stands.  Any suggestions?



Well, if this were a member of my family, here's what I'd do:



First I'd douse the wound with hydrogen peroxide (drug store),

and after it quit bubbling up, I'd take a wet washcloth and (this

is gonna hurt you more than it does me) give the area as brisk a

rubdown as the recipient can tolerate. (Be firm; when he says

"UNCLE!", ask him to repeat it before you stop.) Then I'd leave

the area exposed to light and air until it dried.



Next, I'd take a handful each of yarrow leaves and comfrey

leaves, put all between two pieces of absorbent cloth, wring it

or step on it or beat on it with a hard object until the green

juice showed through the cloth, then put it on the sore and hold

it on with an ace bandage. About 2 hours later, I'd undo the ace,

turn the herb mash over, and bind it on again. After another 2

hours, I'd expose the sore to the light and air for a few hours.

Then I'd do it all over again, day in and day out. It'll be

obvious when you don't need to do it any more.



While applying this external treatment, I'd make a strong tea

from comfrey leaves (or roots, but the leaves are easier to

harvest), mix it 50/50 with a strong rendition of the person's

favorite other tea or fruit juice, and encourage frequent

ingestion (e.g., serve it as the only liquid). You can skip this

step if you want to. There's a lot of scary literature out there

about liver damage from comfrey, and if you eat a few fresh,

young leaves every day, you may have something to worry about by

the end of a year; but I'm talking about dilute tea for a couple

of weeks at most.



I'd also tell him to stay off it for a while if it hurts. People

can get really complicated about being injured or sick but

insisting on forging ahead because there's so much to do that

won't get done if they don't do it. When, as a kid, I twisted my

ankle or banged my knee, I wondered whether it would be better to

stay off of it (because it hurt) or to ignore the pain and push

on (maybe to speed up the healing, or maybe because it might

atrophy or something). My physician/surgeon father used to say,

"If it hurts when you do something, then don't do it; but try to

do everything else that _doesn't_ hurt." My experience has

confirmed the wisdom of that advice, so I'm passing it on.



Unless he has a visible infection accompanied by a fever, I'd

skip the antibiotics. Doctors seem to prescribe them just to

cover their tails, and since you won't be suing yourself for

malpractice, you can avoid the side effects and go straight for

the stuff that promotes healing. If he does develop a fever,

though, I'd head for the heroics.



This is basic home remedy stuff; I've got yarrow and comfrey

growing all over my yard because there's nothing better for

injuries of all kinds, and I've got three active kids.



d:=)}<>

David_Merrill@iwp.ccmail.compuserve.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 15:05:11 EDT

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From:         David_Merrill@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Re: insecticidal soaps



On Sun, 12 Jun 1994 19:48:31

Don <dr2@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET> wrote:



>What's the difference between the commercial "insectacidal

>soaps" and good ole regular Ivory?  And if no differences,

>what's the recommended dilutions?  And, are there any plants

>that are contraindicated for soap use for pest control?



The biggest difference I've seen between insecticidal soap and

regular dish soap is the nature and severity of the cautions on

the labels, and that's been enough to keep me from experimenting

with any of the other potential differences. The recommended

dilution for commercial soap is on the package. For dish soap,

I've heard many herb gardeners say 1 tablespoon per gallon of

water. Since I don't have a one-gallon spray bottle, I just

dribble a little in "until it feels right", then dribble in about

half that amount of vegetable oil, top off with water, shake, and

attack.



I don't think there are many plants that are hurt by dish soap,

especially in mild solutions; just be sure to rinse it off after

a while (a couple of hours seems to be enough for bug

demolition). I've killed a couple of anise hyssops and an apple

mint with this therapy, but they were already in such bad shape

from the bug infestation that it may have just been the last

straw.



>The reason I'm asking is that I've just FINALLY gotten the time

>to get back into gardening and after being away for 20 years

>things have changed a bit....and I've got a major aphid

>infestation that needs immediate attention, but I don't want to

>use a compound that's going to give me a third eye... :)



There's a much more positive treatment for aphids than spraying

stuff that wouldn't otherwise be there. Go down to the local

nursery and buy a bag of ladybugs. They're $5 for 1500 around

here, and they're kept in a sort of suspended animation in the

refrigerator. In the evening, you spray the plants with water (I

don't remember the reason, just the instruction), and then you

put a dozen ladybugs at the base of each infested plant. By the

time breakfast is over (yours and theirs), your aphid problem

should be history or, at worst, minor.



d:=)}<>

David_Merrill@iwp.ccmail.compuserve.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 15:44:10 BSC

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From:         damaris <LYCHNOS@BRUFMG.BITNET>

Subject:      arnica



     Here, in Minas Gerais, Brazil, a lot of people use Lychnophora

pinaster instead arnica, against muscle pain, rheumatism and artrite.

There are no information about local toxicity.

    If you want more information, send menssage to:

   Lychnos@brufmg



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 11:22:18 -0700

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From:         Nancy Goren <nancy@TUX.MUSIC.ASU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: sumac

In-Reply-To:  <01HDGB8XPBO28ZNZ5N@asu.edu>



Just a couple of weeks ago we visited a cousin in Springfield, Missouri.

He lives on the edge of a small woody area.  The upright sumac with red

berries grows on the edges of the woods in the sun.  I am familiar with

poison oak in California, to which I am allergic.  This looked similar,

except with much larger leaves.  Last year I inadvertently brushed

against it and broke out with a rash.  This year I tried to avoid

touching it, but did get some allergic bumps, nevertheless.



Are there varieties with edible berries to which you can be allergic?  What

would happen if you ate the berries?  Nancy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:52:54 -1000

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From:         Shirley Frank-Hall <SHIRLEYF@UHUNIX.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Depression



I read a bit of information in the Honolulu pare that said that elevated

cholestrol has been linked with depression.   sfh



* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Dr. Shirley L. Frank-Hall,D.Ac.,BSN

Internet:shirleyf@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu

Graduate Student - University of Hawaii, School of Nursing

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 16:55:58 -0400

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From:         denise Gluck <GLUCKD@NYUACF.BITNET>

Subject:      Request: Bronchial Herbs



First, let me say hi- I'm new on this list.  Now, I have a request.  Many

years ago I used to smoke and got frequent lung and bronchial infections, like

pneumonia.  One of the herb books I had, and cannot remember which and no

longer have, gave a formula for a decoction of several herbs which would

strengthen the pulmonary system.  One of the herbs was defintiely elecampane.

I made this often and it was excellent- it cured a viral pneumonia I had (tasted

   awful).  Now my dad has chronic bronchial problems and I'd like to make him

this potent mix but have lost the formula.  Does anyone know which herbs to use?

   Thanks.

Denise Gluck

gluckd@acfcluster.nyu.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 16:50:24 CST

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From:         g_perry@VENUS.TWU.EDU

Subject:      GUARANA



Guarana i an herb similar to caffiene.  Therefore, it has the same properties

of caffene. It is a stimulantand works the same in your body. The main problem

with guarana is that it is stronger than caffene and will keep you awake and

does all the other nasty things to your body that caffene does.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 15:13:32 PST

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From:         "FRED W. BACH" <music@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Depression (fwd)



>From:  MX%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET" 12-JUN-1994 17:19:38.07

>To:    MX%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET"

>CC:

>Subj:  Re: Depression (fwd)

>

>From: Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

>Subject: Re: Depression (fwd)

>To: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

>In-Reply-To:  <199406121537.AA14631@mail.crl.com>

>

>>  I personally

>>  do not believe that it all breaks down in the mouth or in the stomach before

>>  it gets absorbed into the blood system.  Secondly, even after it is broken

>>  down, it might appear, from the reported symptoms, that those breakdown

>>  components may affect the balance of hormones and neurotransmitters in the

>>  brain, even if those breakdown components *are* naturally occurring in foods

.

>

>** Your "personal beliefs" have been duly noted. All I asked for was a

>reference to the study not a diatribe. There has been NO evidence <as of

>Mar. 1994> of Aspartame causing any effects other than sweetening. However,

>saccharin and other products have been found to be harmful. There have

>been no reported "symptons" archived in any of the medical databases on

>Aspartame at Ohio State, Stanford or Duke. From what I have collected, it

>is evident that the product splits back into Phenylanine and Aspartic

>residuals at body temp. with moisture. This is one reason you cannot cook

>with it under those conditions. The further degradation occurs from ptyalin,

>saliva and pepsin.  "Beliefs" aside if you want to talk facts...check the

>databases, the JAMA references and the folks doing the research.



  Rob is correct in many ways.  My "beliefs" do not make something true

 or false.  But then again, neither does it mean that just because something

 is NOT published in JAMA it is therefore NOT true.  Many true things are not

 published in JAMA and the like.  Paper has no hold on truth.  Those journals

 have never published my (and likely your) personal experiences, yet

 nonetheless they have happened and are true.  It is just that those personal

 experiences have been unremarkable (i.e., not deemed to be worth the bother

 of wasting time and money to collect and print them).  The folks who make

 and sell and advertize these artificial sweeteners have no reason to collect

 this data and publish it -- it would mean a loss of dollars for them.  So,

 I maintain that it is not that the evidence is not there, it is just that no

 one has collected and published it yet.



  I have sent Rob some extracts from misc.consumers and rec.foods.cooking

 discussions on Nutrasweet.  They contain personal testimonials of people

 sensitive to this artificial sweetner (which I think is similar, if not

 identical, to Asparatme -- please correct me if I am wrong!).  I can send

 the short file to others on request.



   There is reference to Nutrasweet's being used in Hot Chocolate.  I know it

 IS used in hot coffee.  So, I really doubt that it breaks down all that

 quickly at body temperatures and in the presence of water, since the coffee

 and hot chocolate are about 10 to 20 degrees C hotter than your body.



   Furthermore, the nerves in the tongue sense the presence of chemicals in

 our food and trigger digestive enzymes in our digestive tract.  How do we

 know that Asparatme or Nutrasweet does not trigger, via the tongue, some

 strange reaction in some people (judging from the rapidity of the reactions

 in at least one of the people in the file)?



 Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca

 TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/333

 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074

 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

  Damien says " If you don't STAND for SOMETHING, you'll FALL for ANYTHING "

 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.

 They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 19:01:14 EDT

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From:         Glen Osmond <GOsmond@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: insectacidal soa...



> *DELETED TEXT*

>

> I've got a major aphid infestation that needs immediate

> attention, but I don't want to use a compound that's going to give me a

> third eye... :)

>

> Thanks..

>

> Don



> Don,

> Though not a herbal remedy, lady bugs are excellent in the removal of

> aphids.  I believe you can order them from some pet supply stores and/or

> garden shops.  I think I heard that some of the mail order garden/herbal

> supply companies have them, but I am unsure of any *specific* sources.

> Hope this helps.



   Don,

       I seem to recall my dad always getting everything from Burpee Seed

Corp?

       Big supplier and if they don't have what you want I'm sure they'll

know who

       to contact.



GOsmond@.aol.com

71041.1574@cis.com

glenosmond@delphi.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 20:01:37 -0500

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From:         Patricia Tomasulo <patomas@MED.CORNELL.EDU>

Subject:      Re: yeast-l



Been away for a few days - at Rosemary Gladstar's 2nd Int Herbal Symposium

in Massachussetts and saw this posting (and yes Rosemary is wonderful and

all she does including her products from SAGE, her new book on Women and

Herbs (don't have the exact ref here but it is 1993 ) and I am sure her

correspondence course must be very good also !)



The yeast-l address to subscribe is :  listserv@psuhmc



Also, many women have successfully used a vaginal suppository of fresh

garlic (there is some controversory over nicked or unnicked - I think

Nissan's book on natural healing in gynecology favors nicked, but I

recommend extreme caution since many experience a lot of burning from the

juice)



-Patricia



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 12 Jun 1994 09:59:12 GMT+1000

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From:         jackie <J.FREEMAN@QUT.EDU.AU>

Organization: QUT Library

Subject:      Herbal/Homoeopathic Vaccination



Can anyone recommend a book (or articles) on alternative methods of

vaccination, especially for use when travelling.



There seems to be very little written on the topic except for malaria.



I'd really appreciate any directions in this area.



Thanks



Jackie

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 19:02:29 CDT

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From:         "E. Sezonov" <z999046@MDACC.MDA.UTH.TMC.EDU>

Subject:      Fleas & Diatomaceous



Speaking of Fleas:



Concerning flea control, would anyone know if it is safe to use

Diatomaceous Earth spread on carpets, etc. for flea control?

I mean, is it safe for cats, say if the cat lays on the carpet and

then licks herself.



I searched the archives of PETS-L and all I found for flea control

was stuff like:  bomb the house, dip cat x times... No consideration

for toxicity.



Diatomaceous Earth, for those who never heard of it, is old old earth

half petrified, with remnants of animal bones... I may not be all that

close here, but I use it in my garden to ward off snails... Snails and

insects can't deal with it, supposedly.  I hate to describe the gory

death here, but the Diat. E. has sharp glass-like cutting edges, though

it looks like a powder.



I use pennyroyal and try to vacuum ofter and dont let cat out in the

summer, but my mate, he's got a problem with fleas, doesn't like to

vacuum, and doesn't like pennyroyal.  So I'm thinking about this Diat. Earth.

But also, I could just let him suffer     :)))



So long,



Erica



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 20:30:56 -0500

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From:         Patricia Tomasulo <patomas@MED.CORNELL.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Leg injury & herbal training



Some other thoughts on the treatment of the leg injury - I have personally

used a lot of hypericum perforatum (NOT homeopathic doses) but both oil and

salve from fresh St. Johnswort flowers applied topically to the area very

sucessfully for both the pain and for healing wounds. I had a severed

tendon in my foot which I used both comfrey (in all possible forms) and St.

Johnswort which healed very well.

I also learned from Tieranoa, who has a school in the same place as Michael

Moore - love you, grumpy old Michael, in Albuqueque (sp?) that she uses a

poultice of lobelia often instead of arnica. Has anyone else used this ?



Also, speaking of correspondence courses, David Hoffman has one at his

address in California - which I can look up if anyone needs it, and so does

Susun Weed at the Wise Woman Center in Woodstock, NY (one of my teachers).

David Winston offers a study program in western NJ, Blazing Star Herbals is

Gail Ulrich's  school in Massachusetts, Deb Soule offers wonderful programs

in Rockport, Maine as does Pam Montgomery at Green Terrestrials in Milton,

NY, plus apprentice programs. Please let me know if anyone wants more

personal experience/recommendations about these teachers. I know that David

Hoffman was trained and is a member of the NIMH - National Institute of

Medical Herbalists in England I think is what the acronym stands for.



-Patricia



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 00:49:00 +0200

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From:         "J.p. COVENT" </G=J.P./S=COVENT/@RTT.RTT.BE>

Subject:      Re: Essiac Collection



Kathy,



I'm very intrested in the article wich give the recipe of ESSIAC.

Please put it on the list or e-mail me.



Many thanks



Covent JP   Belgium  Europe    Internet: covent@rtt.rtt.be



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 22:15:40 -0400

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From:         Hollie Buchanan <hb@MATH.WVU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Aphids

In-Reply-To:  <01HDHKAB9HAUJMPIJF@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>; from "michael niesen" at

              Jun 13, 94 6:38 am



> On Sun, 12 Jun 1994, Don wrote:

>

> > *DELETED TEXT*

> >

> > I've got a major aphid infestation that needs immediate

> > attention, but I don't want to use a compound that's going to give me a

> > third eye... :)

> >

> > Thanks..

> >

> > Don

>

> Don,

>  Though not a herbal remedy, lady bugs are excellent in the removal of

> aphids.  I believe you can order them from some pet supply stores and/or

> garden shops.  I think I heard that some of the mail order garden/herbal

> supply companies have them, but I am unsure of any *specific* sources.

> Hope this helps.

>

Hi all,

   I worked for a longish while in a University research greenhouse which

was continually plagued by really thuggish aphids.  Systemics like Temik

did nothing to them or the whitefly.  I hatched some mantises in one house

and it was hysterical to see the mantises frantically grabbing and decapitating

the aphids and tossing them aside to reach for the next one...

                                Good Luck,

                                        Annie

_______________________________________________________________________________

<<cutesy picture under construction>>

_________________________________ Annie Buchanan hb@math.wvu.edu_______________



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 20:05:14 -0700

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From:         Tory Klementsen <tory@ISUMATAQ.ESKIMO.COM>

Subject:      Re: Aphids

In-Reply-To:  <199406140223.AA14270@isumataq.eskimo.com>



Annie mentioned praying mantids. We bought some once at Fred Meyers, but

have never been able to find them again. We got them for our anole's at

the time but had a hard time feeding them to the crettiers because they

were so darn cute! Those little heads just cracked me up. Anyhow, now we

live where we can't use any pesticides, except soap, and were thinking

getting mantids again. Anyone know a source?



Thanks!



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 23:12:51 -0400

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From:         Hollie Buchanan <hb@MATH.WVU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Basil question

In-Reply-To:  <01HD8L4LHIPUJ3ZJZU@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>; from "Tory Klementsen" at

              Jun 6, 94 7:34 pm



>

> Hi

>

> I'm new to herbs and need some advice on basil. I live in Washington

> state (western) and want to grow basil. I have very clay soil. I tried

> last year and it all died. So this year I started two packages in some

> starter trays and every single plant sprouted and died! How am I ever

> goingo to make pesto?

>

> Ideas?

>

>                          |~

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>

Hi Tony,

   Basil seems to be extremely prone to "damp off".  I try to always use

sterile potting mix, and provide bottom heat and even, but not oppresive,

moisture.  In related events, I am going to replace the wet/dry heating

pad I had been using with a small bottom heater designed for the purpose,

as this spring (after 5+ years of service) it shorted and shocked the living

#*$&(% out of me.

                        Best,

                                Annie

P.S. Anyone out there in netland use garlic in their pesto??

_______________________________________________________________________________

<<cutesy picture under construction>>

_________________________________ Annie Buchanan hb@math.wvu.edu_______________



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 20:06:58 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Depression (fwd)

In-Reply-To:  <199406132213.AA10042@mail.crl.com>



Well, you're right about one thing...the use of Aspartame does trigger,

by the sense of sweetness, the response in the human body as if sugar had

been consumed. What you appear to be off base on is the fact that

Stanford, Duke, or any other University that has done research in this

area has any connection with the people who produce Aspartame.

The reason hot coffee and cocoa doesn't rapidly break down the amino bond

is that there is no enzymatic/acidic/salivary content to these.



I was not at all inferring that because JAMA or the research teams did

not publish a bunch of negative press about Aspartame that there was nothing

to the side effects. In fact they all note a connection with the

OVER-consumption of sugar being a factor. A person who ingests large

amounts of sucrose may encounter the same problem with saccharin, it's

called "response rebound" there body is responding to the daily load on it

<largely pancreatic> and when the sweet taste is encountered without the

presence of sucrose a knee-jerk reaction ensues.



By the same token...the presence of a few complaints from people on the

newsgroup you sent me <thanks> does not lend credibility to the statement

that Aspartame is "bad" for you. It went through seven years of rigorous

tests. Is coffee "bad" for you because you get skull-splitting migraines

when you cease drinking it?  There was a question in my mind if some of

these people were experiencing effects from a caffeine free drink they

were switchung to as well as sugar free. The research takes all that into

account. The anecdotes in the newsgroup do not.



Rob



---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 01:22:47 -0400

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From:         anna yamada <rosaphil@PHANTOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: Are there herbal cures for Giardia?

In-Reply-To:  <9406131935.AB24062@mailhost.phantom.com>



8888



        yes. try powdered ginger dissolved in water 1 tablespoon per quart.



        drink on a regular basis and on an empty stomach.



        then try elecampagne tea in the evenings on a full stomach.



        or swallow a pinch of chewing tobacco and  prepare for nausea and

        diarrhea.



        good luck. Not a doctor, just flirt with teh cute ones. Check with

        your doctor first on anything found here9in.



On

Mon, 13 Jun 1994, Pat Miner wrote:



> I am presently taking 500 mg. of Flagyl (Metronidazole) for 10 days per

> my HMO primary physician in order to rid my intestines of these parasites

> picked up from a rural home water well.  Last month I took 250 mg. for 5

> days which didn't get rid of them.  I have been having almost

> constant problems with the multiple and miserable effects of this

> since the first of December and thought until last month that it was

> recurring flu.  Apparently, these parasites have had time to really dig

> in.  I haven't found any listing of Giardia in the "natural" books I

> have access to.

> Can anyone tell me what to use?  I want to be sure the parasites are

> completely irradicated and I surely don't want to take any more Flagyl as

> the side effects are as bad or worse than the symptoms.  I discontinued

> taking Kombucha tea after only a week of it because I was afraid that any

> amount or type of fermentation might make the Flagyl side effects worse,

> such as alcohol is said to do (my pharmacist told me not even to use

> mouth rinse while taking it).  Has anyone had any experience they can

> share?  I will so greatly appreciate!  Thanks.

> Pat Miner

> pminer@ucdavis.edu

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 02:41:52 EDT

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Comments:     Originally-From: Tory Klementsen <tory@ISUMATAQ.ESKIMO.COM>

From:         "R.M.K." <YE71@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Aphids

In-Reply-To:  <199406140223.AA14270@isumataq.eskimo.com>



Praying Mantids are large insects, and eggs must be introduced in

early spring to allow for proper development.  Most companies

won't ship predatory insects during summer months; if they do,

next-day delivery is recommended.



Two companies that specialize in organic garden products, and

both carry a full line of predatory insects along with other

alternative-to-pesticide-type products:



---bat and bird houses

---safer soaps and flea repellents

---weed and disease control

---earthworms & beneficial nematodes

---pheromone-lure insect traps

---bio-insecticides

---organic fertilizers



if these companies don't carry what you're looking for, it

probably isn't available.



Gardens Alive

5100 Schenley Place

Lawrenceburg,  IN   47025

(812) 537-8651

      537-5108 FAX



Peaceful Valley Farm Supply

P.O. Box 2209

Grass Valley,  CA  95945

(916) 272-4769

      272-4794 FAX

--------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------

Annie mentioned praying mantids. We bought some once at Fred Meyers, but

have never been able to find them again. We got them for our anole's at

the time but had a hard time feeding them to the crettiers because they

were so darn cute! Those little heads just cracked me up. Anyhow, now we

live where we can't use any pesticides, except soap, and were thinking

getting mantids again. Anyone know a source?



Thanks!



                         |~

                        /^\                     Tory Klementsen

            |~         /_O_\                    Disney on the IRC

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 /__^__^__|_^_|_^_^_^__|_^_|__^__^__\           tory@eskimo.com

 |___|____|_n_|_n_[]_n_|_n_|____|___|

 ====================================           A dream is a wish

      \          ()_()         /                your heart makes...

        \         (_)        /

          \                /

  ===================================



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Jun 1994 23:49:24 -0700

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From:         Mitchell Bebel Stargrove <mitch@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Accreditation of Naturopathic schools

In-Reply-To:  <199406131704.KAA21755@mail.igc.apc.org>



re below - accreditation of Naturopathic schools

NCNM in Portland is also accredited.



On Mon, 13 Jun 1994,

Patricia Harper wrote:



> >

> > The best places for studying homeopathy in a professional context are the

> > naturopathic schools:

> > Portland, OR - National College of Naturopathic Medicine - 503-255-4860

> >   - probable the best for homeopathy

> > Seattle, WA - Bastyr College of Natural Health Sciences

> > Arizona - SW College...

> >

> > Mitchell Bebel Stargrove, N.D., L.Ac.

> >

>

> I thought I would add the information that both Southwestern College,

> (affiliated with the Baptist Church), and Bastyr College (under the

> name Bastyr College--so it may not be the same), are fully accredited.

>

> This means that the units earned there are acceptable at "regular"

> colleges and universities.  Professional programs that are not accredited

> (by the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions

> Officers) may still be highly regarded within a specific discipline, such

> as among Homeopathic practicioners.  However, should a graduate of an

> unaccredited school wish to further her education at a mainline school,

> units and degrees earned at the unaccredited school will not be useable.

>

> Patricia Harper

> College Admissions Counselor and Herbalist : )

>

> harper@hsuseq.humboldt.edu

>



Mitchell Bebel Stargrove, N.D., L.Ac.

mitch@teleport.COM



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:53:29 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Request: Bronchial Herbs



Firstly, what is the chronic respiratory disorder, and secondly what symptoms

is he presenting with. There are several actions which are effective upon the

respiratory system, in particular anti-spasmodic, muco-lytic, bronchodilator,

expectorant, anti-tussive, anti-catarhal etc. With in these actions come many

herbs, so I need a bit more detail on the condition.



Leighton Phillips

Brisbane, AUSTRALIA

Phone (h) 07 847 1649

Phone (w) 07 405 5885

Mobile (w) 018 190 207

Internet Address : LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:49:06 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Are there herbal cures for Giardia?



There is a product in Australia by Metagenics (They are in the US also)

called Spectraplex, it contains about 40 anti-bodies to a number of intestinal

infections. It is acyually a fraction from the whey produced in the cheese

making process, so it is all  natural. I have seen it in conjunction with herbs

rid very rigid parasitic infestations.



The herbs I would suggest to use would be,



1. Picrorhiza kurroa

2. Artemisia absinthium

3. Hydrastis canadensis



I do have the pharmacology of these herbs to any that are intersted.



Leighton Phillips

Brisbane, AUSTRALIA

Phone (h) 07 847 1649

Phone (w) 07 405 5885

Mobile (w) 018 190 207

Internet Address : LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 02:20:12 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Leg injury

In-Reply-To:  <199406131808.AA21928@mail.crl.com>



---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---

> While applying this external treatment, I'd make a strong tea

> from comfrey leaves (or roots, but the leaves are easier to



I have to disagree with the comfrey as a tea <not as a poultice>. There

are literally scores of remedies that would be more useful for this.

Ingesting Comfrey is not that dangerous it's just not that effective.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 02:39:10 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: GUARANA

In-Reply-To:  <199406132155.AA08650@mail.crl.com>



---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



> The main problem

> with guarana is that it is stronger than caffene and will keep you awake and

> does all the other nasty things to your body that caffene does.



Guaranine is _identical_ to caffeine in many ways but it is an error to

class the two together. Guarana contains many other elements and it is

used as a very important herb in Brazil amd other countries of S.A.

It is primarily used for; leukorhea, diarrhea and nervous headache as

well as the discomforts in menstruation. The Indians use it for heat

prostration and bowel complaints.



Rob



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 03:11:37 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Request: Bronchial Herbs

In-Reply-To:  <199406140920.AA15207@mail.crl.com>



Drosera tincture is an incredible pectoral because of its manifold actions.

It is probably the most effective herb <although little known> for any

chest/lung complaint.



---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 05:21:37 EST

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From:         Kelly Martin <kelly@POVERTY.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>

Subject:      Depression (fwd)

In-Reply-To:  "FRED W. BACH"'s message of Sun, 12 Jun 1994 08:14:00 PST



"Fred" == FRED W BACH <music@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA> writes:



Fred> about two years ago where it was shown to my

Fred> satisfaction that the artificially-sweetened soft drinks were

Fred> associated with bad headaches in some people whereas the

Fred> sugar-sweetened identical brand was not.



note that the corn syrup-sweetened formulations (nobody uses sugar

anymore, it's too expensive) are rarely the same or even close to the

nutrasweet-sweetened formulations.  for that matter, formulations vary

from area to area; my personal experience is that los angeles

coca-cola tastes not a thing like indiana coca-cola.  i don't think it

was "just the water", either.



Fred> Furthermore, since this combination is unnatural, one might ask

Fred> what effects it has on the body BEFORE it is broken down.



protein catalysis in the digestive tract tends to be quite fast.

especially with dipeptides like aspartame.  aspartame is an unnatural

combination because the peptide bond is somewhat strained - and

therefore especially easy to catalyze.



Fred> I personally do not believe that it all breaks down in the mouth

Fred> or in the stomach before it gets absorbed into the blood system.

Fred> Secondly, even after it is broken down, it might appear, from

Fred> the reported symptoms, that those breakdown components may

Fred> affect the balance of hormones and neurotransmitters in the

Fred> brain, even if those breakdown components *are* naturally

Fred> occurring in foods.



phenylalanine does affect the brain in a variety of ways.  an excess

of it (and its breakdown products) can cause neurological damage.

this is why phenylketourics (PKU) can't use aspartame; the

phenylalanine and its breakdown products will build up to dangerous

levels quickly.  PKUs lack an enzyme to properly process

phenylalanine to safer products that can be more readily excreted.



in any case, it's the phenylalanine (one of the two peptides in

aspartame) that is, most likely, the potential source of trouble, and

not the dipeptide combination.



for the biochemists out there, is there more phenylalanine in one

banana or in one serving of nutrasweet?  i've never investigated this

or seen it investigated...



Fred>   It's not that science hasn't studied this artificial

Fred> sweetener, it's just that they haven't studied it on the right

Fred> group of people yet IMHO.



i personally suspect that people who have marginal problems with

aspartame are people with depressed levels of the enzyme that PKU

sufferers lack entirely.  phenylalanine is not a common peptide and

people with low but not deficient levels of the enzyme might not

realize they have a problem until they start ingesting unusually high

levels of phenylalanine.



love,



k.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 08:12:24 -0400

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From:         Peggy Brown <OISPEGGY@UBVMS.BITNET>

Organization: University at Buffalo

Subject:      Re: yeast-l



>The yeast-l address to subscribe is :  listserv@psuhmc



>Also, many women have successfully used a vaginal suppository of fresh

>garlic (there is some controversory over nicked or unnicked - I think

>Nissan's book on natural healing in gynecology favors nicked, but I

>recommend extreme caution since many experience a lot of burning from the

>juice)



>-Patricia



Excuse me for being so dense, but why insert garlic into one's

vagina when fine remedies for yeast can be purchased in any

drugstore?



- Peggy -



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:   MYRIAD::GADE         "Being conscientious is a genetic defect."

 4-MAY-1994 09:26:16.52

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I have accumulated the following receipes over the years, I have not

tried most of them because I just have not had the need.  Basically I

follow the rule, do not plant a mass planting of anything as bugs and

disease will follow.  I especially do not group my roses together.



Spray the mixtures only when a problem has been spotted and

determined and then weekly until all damage/insects are gone.  Wash

food before eating and don't spray on seedlings:



If you try any of the below, please post your results!!  Good luck!



Caterpillars, colorado potato beetles, aphids and mites:



   Grated peel of 1 lemon + pint of boiling water, steep 24 hours

   strain peel, spray



Cabbage Moths/loopers, earwigs, leafhoppers, mosquitoes, whitefiles

and aphids



   soak lots of finely minced garlic cloves in mineral oil for 24

   strain, add 2 teasp. of veg oil mixed into pint water and add few

   drops of ivory dish wash, dilute this mix once again by adding 1/2

   tblsp of mix to pint of water, spray



Japanese beetles



   Two garlic cloves in blender + 1/2 c. dried hot chiles + quart

   water, whizzzzz, strain, spray.



   Also plant white geraniums, garlic and chives around bush



Root maggots and soft bodied insects, leaf eating bugs



   Whizzzzz handful hot peppers add quart of water, strain, spray



Tobacco hornworm, colorado potato beetle, and caterpillars in general



   Steep handful of petunia leaves overnight add pint water, strain,

   spray (leave hornworm on plant if has white egg things on it)



Slugs



   Place handful of quackgrass around plants OR whizzz dried

   quackgrass and some water, strain, spray.  Don't make too strong



Fungicide



   Compost tea or garlic tea



Whiteflies, aphids, spider mites



   1 c. veg oil + 1 tblsp ivory dish soap + 1 c. water, mix, spray



Powdery mildew



   3 tblsp baking soda + gallon water, mix, spray (I posted early 1

   teasp.........sorry I got ratio wrong earlier!!)

   Another to try:  Chives steeped 15 min. in boiling water, cool,

   spray



Borage and Dill: honeybees like it, plant in orchard

Basil:  flies hate it, plant by house or compost pile



RE, "PU"laski, VA



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 15:57:43 MET

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From:         IVAN BLANARIK <Ivan.Blanarik@FPHARM.UNIBA.SK>

Subject:      Re: Request: Bronchial Herbs



> Drosera tincture is an incredible pectoral because of its manifold actions.

> It is probably the most effective herb <although little known> for any

> chest/lung complaint.

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



Tincture  from  drosera  is  a  part  of  antitussive  drops

TUSSILEN  produced by  pharmaceutical factory  GALENA. As  I

know  there  could  be  some  problems  with  plant material

because, for example, in our  country sundew is protected by

law. And  beside this it's  so small and  tiny that I'm  not

able even to  imagine how it is collecting  or growing. I've

read  about usage  of drosera  in chest  therapy but haven't

heard any practical experience. So, I'm really interested to

learn more  about its usage.  All experience from  practical

point of view is greatly appreciated.



Thanks

Ivan



***************

Blanarik@magist.fpharm.uniba.sk

Bratislava, Slovakia

***************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 09:31:26 CDT

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From:         "E. Sezonov" <z999046@MDACC.MDA.UTH.TMC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Request: Bronchial Herbs



Subj:   Request: Bronchial Herbs



I have an excellent herb remedy for bronchial problems: Yerba Santa.

I haven't seen it in my herb books, but it has cured the bronchial problems

of everybody I have given it to.  It was given to me by a Mexican woman.

Some whole foods stores carry it as bulk tea and some as liquid extract

(drops).  I recommended it highly.



Erica Sezonov                     --  Good planets are hard to find.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 09:45:06 CDT

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From:         "E. Sezonov" <z999046@MDACC.MDA.UTH.TMC.EDU>

Subject:      Guarana and Mate



Subj:   GUARANA and MATE



Where is Guarana from?  South America, Brazil maybe?  Never heard of it.



There is another herb called Mate (Yerba Mate) that people in Argentina,

Uruguay, Chile, drink a lot.  It's like caffeine.  I've seen Mate written

up in some herb books, and they all say good things about it.  However,

I wonder whether these books know about _amounts_ ingested.  The

traditional mate in made VERY strong, stronger than expresso coffee.

My son drinks tons of it, I try to drink it only in the morning.

It clears your head, wakes you up, lifts your spirits, sends you

flying.



Erica Sezonov

                                -- Frankly my dear, I don't want a dam



>From: g_perry@VENUS.TWU.EDU

>Guarana is an herb similar to caffiene.  Therefore, it has the same properties

>of caffene. It is a stimulantand works the same in your body. The main problem

>with guarana is that it is stronger than caffene and will keep you awake and

>does all the other nasty things to your body that caffene does.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 08:25:33 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.RAIN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Accreditation of Naturopathic schools

In-Reply-To:  <m0qDSeQ-0002UFC@pacifier.rain.com>



> re below - accreditation of Naturopathic schools

> NCNM in Portland is also accredited.



Do you have to sign up for the whole program, or can you sample courses

individually?



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Jack Barclay <ASD003@NMSUVM1.BITNET>

Subject:      The deed should be acknowledged



Dear Friends,

     I want to thank those of you whe sent me well wishes  for my surgery

coming up Thursday.  I especially want to let you know that there is

a beautiful kind person person in Redondo Beach, Cal. who has agreed

to pick me up after my surgery so I can check out of the medical center

and let me stay at her place over night.  My needs have been met, thanks

to one person's thoughtfulness and I want you all to know.  I'm sure

that many of you might have wondered if I had had any response to my call

for help.   I've promised to bring a mushroom with me when I go to

Long Beach on Wednesday.

Blessings,

Jack



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 12:31:44 EDT

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From:         Doug Blunk <h2imsdsb@ORL41.ORL.USACE.ARMY.MIL>

Subject:      Re: attn: listowner

In-Reply-To:  <9406141611.AA20522@orl41.orl.usace.army.mil> from

              "KAHN@EPIVAX.EPI.UMN.EDU" at "Jun 14, 94 10:24 am"



Send your message to Postmaster@trearn.bitnet and ask to be unsubscribed.

The Postmaster can do it when all else fails.



Doug Blunk



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 09:43:40 -0700

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From:         Patricia Harper <harper@HSUSEQ.HUMBOLDT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Accreditation of Naturopathic schools

In-Reply-To:  <9406140651.AA27698@hsuseq.humboldt.edu> from "Mitchell Bebel

              Stargrove" at Jun 13, 94 11:49:24 pm



Mitch, there are various types of accreditation and accrediting agencies;

I'm sure you are correct that National College of Naturopathic Medicine

is accredited.  However, it is not recognised by American Association of

Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officiers (AACRAO). Units earned at

NCNM would not be transferable to the majority of United States colleges

and universities.



The current academic and medical climate in this country (USA) is very

unwilling to give credence to "alternative" medical education.  By no

means does this imply that the Homeopathic training received from NCNM

is anything but the finest. It may even suggest that the holistic programs

offered at AACRAO accredited schools are just allopathic medicine with

progressive theory attached.



I greatly respect your recommendation, and I also believe it serves the

needs of people on this list.  However, I regularly deal with the regrets

of people who have attended such institutions as NCNM, who now wish to

attend the State University.  They are flat out of luck in terms of

transferring their credits.



Patricia Harper

harper@hsuseq.humboldt.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 09:55:26 -0800

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From:         Bonnie Williamson <b_willia@LIFESCI.LSCF.UCSB.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous



> Diatomaceous Earth, for those who never heard of it, is old old earth

> half petrified, with remnants of animal bones...



Actually it is a marine sediment, made from the silica-based "shells"

(encasements?) of little single-cell marine critters called diatoms.

When this guys die, there shell or test falls to the bottom of the

sea.   Collect enough over thousands of years, compact and cook

them slightly and you have diatomaceous earth.  I can't imagine

it would be a problem for cats.  It is basically just dirt, but

with spiny edges that impale fleas.  Probably it doesn't really

impale them, just poke a hole in them, or abrade their feet and

make life miserable for them.  I have actually put it on my dogs

like flea powder, but it isn't good if your dogs have dry skin.

Cats wash more, so I don't think you are supposed to apply it

directly on them.  But it should be fine on the carpet.



Good luck



Bonnie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 13:02:26 -0500

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From:         Siobhan Perricone <SIOBHANP@NORWICH.BITNET>

Subject:      why garlic over chemicals?



>Excuse me for being so dense, but why insert garlic into one's

>vagina when fine remedies for yeast can be purchased in any

>drugstore?

>- Peggy -



Why use herbs over man-made chemicals for anything?  Because the natural

items tend to be less invasive in the body, overall. (IMO)  I KNOW that I have

no reaction to garlic.  And I know what garlic IS.  And it is CHEAPER than those

remedies.  It has been my experience that the herbal remedies I use are more

EFFECTIVE, and tend to promote OTHER good things, not just giving me a good

effect for the one thing I'm using it to "fix".



That was kinda muddy, let me give you an example.  There are certainly plenty of

over the counter remedies available for nasal congestion due to colds.  But I

have stopped taking them completely.  I have started using herbal teas and

am more than pleased with the results.  Sure, the OTC remedies dry up my nose,

but they also keep me awake, and make me irritable, and I have no idea how long

they are in my body, or what other things I may be taking with them and what

THEIR impact is.  MINT, on the other hand, simply helps the mucus flow, it

doesn't keep me awake, and mixed with chamomile (sp?) it is relaxing and

soothing, and I know that it isn't doing weird things to my liver.



Eating garlic soup when I am ill helps me get healthier faster.  I don't know

why, but it works better than the antibiotics I kept getting prescribed.  And

it TASTES good, and I make it myself so I know exactly what is in it and I can

add whatever else I think I need so it has actual nutritional value.



[warning: incoming religious philosophy]



I also feel that we are creations of God.  And that God also created the plants

and herbs.  And that he knew what he was doing.  I trust God-made garlic over

man-made "Vagisil" any day of the week.



[end of religious ranting]



This is not to say that I won't take advantage of medical technology and

advances in situations that warrant it, but I don't think that most infections

and colds/flus really warrant the overkill.



@-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Mrs. Siobhan Perricone, Esquire                       SIOBHANP@NORWICH.BITNET

@ Norwich University, Northfield, Vermont

@ The opinions expressed here are my own. (unless I've stolen them, but then,

@ possession is 9/10ths of the law... or so they tell me, whoever "they" are...)

@ I make no guarantees.  Your mileage may vary.  The Computer is your FRIEND!

@ TRUST the Computer! (esquire)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:20:42 EDT

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From:         David_Merrill@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Re: Pesto question



On Mon, 13 Jun 1994, Annie Buchanan

(hb@math.wvu.edu) asked:



>P.S. Anyone out there in netland use garlic in their

>pesto??



What I want to know is, is there anyone out there who

DOESN'T used garlic in their pesto? In my kitchen, pesto

provides the ultimate excuse to eat great gobs of garlic

and herbs with little distraction, flavorwise. I don't know

if I'd recognize pesto if it didn't have garlic in it.



d:=)}<>

David_Merrill@iwp.ccmail.compuserve.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 16:55:00 LCL

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From:         GVOTEAU <GVOTEAU.UCS@SMTP.USI.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous



_The New Natural Cat_ by Anitra Frazier (ISBN 0-452-26517-7) mentions

dusting the cat itself with dia.earth...and Frazier's pretty non-toxic in

her advice.  She also avoids pennyroyal because cats don't like the smell,

preferring eucalyptous and citronella.  She lists a number of suggestions

for flea control...check your local library for a copy of the book.  I

think you'll like it.  If your local library doesn't have it, see if they

can Interlibrary Loan it for you from another library.  If that fails, I

can type out some of the suggestions for you.



Good luck!



Gail

gvoteau.ucs@smtp.usi.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:25:00 LCL

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From:         GVOTEAU <GVOTEAU.UCS@SMTP.USI.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Aphids



I seem to recall from those long-ago days of entomology class that the

praying mantis/mantid is very territorial, and very averse to crowding,

which is why releasing a bunch in your yard isn't necessarily going to help

you -- they're likely to just hit the road.  Before going mantis-crazy,

check into that possibility.  I think several excellent books on organic

gardening are available in public libraries in the U.S. (Rodale publishing

comes to mind) that could answer this question.  Also, the cooperative

extension agencies set up by the land-grant universities might help with

specific questions like "Will releasing a bunch of ladybugs help?" -- check

your phone book for a cooperative extension service in your area (NB--our

local one is enamoured of various toxic products, but can still be a

gold-mine of information on insects, etc.).  I know this isn't as fun as

zipping around the Internet, but, hey, they're cheap and easy.



Gail

gvoteau.ucs@smtp.usi.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 13:11:11 CST

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From:         Chris Carlisle <C24884CC@WUVMD.BITNET>

Subject:      Hey guys, it's not that hard to unsub



Regardless of system, if you write listserv@TREARN (NOT, NOT, NOT

the list) with no subject, name line or sig, and the following text



unsub herb account



with your address instead of account, you should be removed.



To resub with another account, write

sub herb newaccount

with your new addres instead of newaccount.



Alternately, you can indeed write postmaster@TREARN.  I don't understand

why everyone is having so much trouble.  I've subbed and unsubbed several

times with no delay or difficulties.



Kiwi Carlisle

C24884CC@wuvmd.wustl.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:03:36 EDT

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From:         Susan Christie <SCHRIST@NERVM.NERDC.UFL.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous

In-Reply-To:  Message of Tue,

              14 Jun 1994 09:55:26 -0800 from <b_willia@LIFESCI.LSCF.UCSB.EDU>



My vet told me that borax powder, like right out of the 20 mule team box,

works better than diatomaceous earth.  Sprinkle it on floor, carpets, rugs,

pet's bedding.  Walk on it, or otherwise let it settle, and then vacuum

up excess.  Do not put it on pets or people.  Yes, it does kill the little

bitty fleas, the d. earth and the borax, because it gets under their

carpaceous (or some such) shells.  It really does work.  Testimonial.

I didn't want to use the d. earth, because, a) too fine a powder, didn't

feel like inhaling it, god knows what's in there, and b)  it is harder

to find, health food store, and I think more expensive than borax.



Susan Christie

International Student and Scholar Services

Office of International Studies and Programs

123 TIGERT HALL                     TELEPHONE:(904)392-9087/FAX392-5575

UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA               BITNET:   SCHRIST@NERVM

GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA 32611          INTERNET: SCHRIST@UFNET.MAIL.UFL.EDU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 22:21:18 -0400

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From:         Don <dr2@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>

Subject:      Re: "Safer" soap...

In-Reply-To:  <199406140646.AA21476@nfs1.digex.net>



I tried the "safer" soap....  I determined that the only thing safe was

the aphids as it did nothing for them...  The nurseryman that does the

greens in our office has had the same problem...he dumped them also...and

went to a dilute ivory solution....which is what got me thinking of the

ivory question in the first place...



Don



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 20:22:50 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Request: Bronchial Herbs

In-Reply-To:  <199406141359.AA25140@mail.crl.com>



---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



> Tincture  from  drosera  is  a  part  of  antitussive  drops

> TUSSILEN  produced by  pharmaceutical factory  GALENA. As  I



** The anti-tussive qualities are only the tip of the iceberg.



> know  there  could  be  some  problems  with  plant material

> because, for example, in our  country sundew is protected by

> law. And  beside this it's  so small and  tiny that I'm  not



** Yes, it was overpicked in many areas but the size is not essential as

it is placed in ethyl alcohol immediately after picking. The reddish

glands oxidize quite readily and only tinctures are available in the U.S.

and Europe/Asia. In the South American states it is also available in

other forms but apparently only as a aphrodisiac.



Ivan, I replied privately to you re; the drosera files, please let me

know if you have any problems or if you failed to get my post.



Rob



-------------------------------------------------------------ftp crl.com---



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 21:16:49 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Essiac

In-Reply-To:  <199406141212.AA19750@mail.crl.com>



By the way....for those of you brewing up Essiac who are not seriously ill:

There was recently a post on a Sonoma County BBS about the frivolity of

doing so. One of the reasons <according to a letter published from a Dr.

Glum> Caisse did NOT want the formula to be publicly known is the fear

that it would be abused ie; used as a panacea or preventitive which she

claimed it was not. The poster cites some reports used by the Canadian

Government to prevent Essiac from being marketed. I don't know the person

nor can I vouche for the veracity of his statement's but HowieB is also

knowledgable in this area <re; sorrel etc>.



---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 22:52:29 -0700

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From:         Mitchell Bebel Stargrove <mitch@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Accreditation of Naturopathic schools

In-Reply-To:  <199406141553.IAA08773@mail.igc.apc.org>



On Tue, 14 Jun 1994, Jack van Luik wrote:



> > re below - accreditation of Naturopathic schools

> > NCNM in Portland is also accredited.

>

> Do you have to sign up for the whole program, or can you sample courses

> individually?

>

> Jack vL

>

as a postgraduate doctoral program

there is no ability to take single courses



Mitchell Bebel Stargrove, N.D., L.Ac.

mitch@teleport.COM



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 13:47:57 -0400

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From:         Peggy Brown <OISPEGGY@UBVMS.BITNET>

Organization: University at Buffalo

Subject:      Re: why garlic over chemicals?



>>Excuse me for being so dense, but why insert garlic into one's

>>vagina when fine remedies for yeast can be purchased in any

>>drugstore?

>>- Peggy -



>Why use herbs over man-made chemicals for anything?  Because the natural

>items tend to be less invasive in the body, overall. (IMO)  I KNOW that I have

>no reaction to garlic.  And I know what garlic IS.  And it is CHEAPER than thos

   e

>remedies.  It has been my experience that the herbal remedies I use are more

>EFFECTIVE, and tend to promote OTHER good things, not just giving me a good

>effect for the one thing I'm using it to "fix".



With a yeast cream purchased at a drugstore there is far less worry

about it burning sensitive vaginal tissues, the way people worry

about garlic.  And excuse me for being indelicate, but it smells

a hole lot better (no pun intended).



[text deleted...]



>[warning: incoming religious philosophy]



>I also feel that we are creations of God.  And that God also created the plants

>and herbs.  And that he knew what he was doing.  I trust God-made garlic over

>man-made "Vagisil" any day of the week.



God also invented the chemicals used in over-the-counter

medicines.  They didn't appear out of thin air.  So I don't why

they are caste as ethically worse than herbs.



I don't hesitate to use herbal remedies when I can.  I take the

cold teas and other soothing teas, and acidopholous.  But when it

comes to doing something with obvious side effects, like putting

garlic in the vagina (burning, smelly, slow acting)......  Well

that is something I would never do when I can buy a cream that

works perfectly with no worries.



- Peggy -



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Jun 1994 17:22:08 -0500

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From:         "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous

In-Reply-To:  <9406141659.AA19407@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us>



CAUTION - Diatomaceous Earth will do to you, your dogs, and your cats the

same thing it does to the insects - namely it cuts holes in the skin. Steve



On Tue, 14 Jun 1994, Bonnie Williamson wrote:



> > Diatomaceous Earth, for those who never heard of it, is old old earth

> > half petrified, with remnants of animal bones...

>

> Actually it is a marine sediment, made from the silica-based "shells"

> (encasements?) of little single-cell marine critters called diatoms.

> When this guys die, there shell or test falls to the bottom of the

> sea.   Collect enough over thousands of years, compact and cook

> them slightly and you have diatomaceous earth.  I can't imagine

> it would be a problem for cats.  It is basically just dirt, but

> with spiny edges that impale fleas.  Probably it doesn't really

> impale them, just poke a hole in them, or abrade their feet and

> make life miserable for them.  I have actually put it on my dogs

> like flea powder, but it isn't good if your dogs have dry skin.

> Cats wash more, so I don't think you are supposed to apply it

> directly on them.  But it should be fine on the carpet.

>

> Good luck

>

> Bonnie

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> **********************************************************************

> * Bonnie Williamson            E-Mail b_willia@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu *

> * Marine Science Institute                                           *

> * University of California     Office Phone (805) 893-2051           *

> * Santa Barbara, CA  93106     FAX          (805) 893-3777           *

> **********************************************************************

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 00:54:12 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: why garlic over chemicals?

In-Reply-To:  <199406150656.AA04827@mail.crl.com>



> With a yeast cream purchased at a drugstore there is far less worry

> about it burning sensitive vaginal tissues, the way people worry

> about garlic.



** You _can_ overdo it re; herbal remedies. Garlic is not an ideal

suppository and it is capable of burning, knicked or otherwise.

A yeast problem left to run it's own course <or a slow heal> is a real

problem and can cause complications.



> I don't hesitate to use herbal remedies when I can.



** I once had a wonderful teacher, a Tibetan man who was probably the

best diagnostician I've ever met. He once told us about an outbreak of

some mysterious infection in Bhutan that ran amok on the locals. We asked

him what he did and he replied "Penicillin....you use what works".



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 01:03:54 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous

In-Reply-To:  <199406150759.AA06855@mail.crl.com>



On Tue, 14 Jun 1994, Stephen J. Marsden wrote:



> CAUTION - Diatomaceous Earth will do to you, your dogs, and your cats the

> same thing it does to the insects - namely it cuts holes in the skin. Steve



** Absolutely! Not only have I seen it tear up a carpet <in about 8

months> but it has been used as an abrasive at my friends optical shop

with the caveat printed on it: "warning wash hands and skin thoroughly

after contact. AVOID CONTACT" Not something I would want to subject my

pets to. The gal who works with it told me it is very abrasive and OSHA

always checks how it is used when they come around. They use it to polish

lenses and mirrored surfaces <first grind>. If it is in your carpet I

hope you don't have children or pets that play on the floor. It is very

bad to inhale it and despite it's weight, inhalation is a MAJOR hazard

even from the floor.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 01:30:08 -0500

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From:         "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous

In-Reply-To:  <9406150616.AA27374@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us>



LOOKING FOR diatomaceous earth??  TRY YOUR POOL OR HOT TUB STORES.

Stephen Marsden, Springfield,MO   Phone: 417-753-3999,  Fax: 417-753-2000



On Tue, 14 Jun 1994, Susan Christie wrote:



> My vet told me that borax powder, like right out of the 20 mule team box,

> works better than diatomaceous earth.  Sprinkle it on floor, carpets, rugs,

> pet's bedding.  Walk on it, or otherwise let it settle, and then vacuum

> up excess.  Do not put it on pets or people.  Yes, it does kill the little

> bitty fleas, the d. earth and the borax, because it gets under their

> carpaceous (or some such) shells.  It really does work.  Testimonial.

> I didn't want to use the d. earth, because, a) too fine a powder, didn't

> feel like inhaling it, god knows what's in there, and b)  it is harder

> to find, health food store, and I think more expensive than borax.

>

> Susan Christie

> International Student and Scholar Services

> Office of International Studies and Programs

> 123 TIGERT HALL                     TELEPHONE:(904)392-9087/FAX392-5575

> UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA               BITNET:   SCHRIST@NERVM

> GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA 32611          INTERNET: SCHRIST@UFNET.MAIL.UFL.EDU

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 08:05:58 EST

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From:         Robert LaFollette <rlafoll%see@RELAY.NSWC.NAVY.MIL>

Subject:      Herbalist ?



     I am interested in studying herbalism for home use and in conjunction

     with a small herb farm I am starting,  does anyone have any opinions

     on schools that offer correspondence classes ?   I am not interested

     in getting "very" technical, but obviously the subject is somewhat

     technical.



                        Robert LaFollette

                        rlafoll@relay.nswc.navy.mil

=========================================================================

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:19:23 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         Susan Christie <SCHRIST@NERVM.NERDC.UFL.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous

In-Reply-To:  Message of Tue,

              14 Jun 1994 16:55:00 LCL from <GVOTEAU.UCS@SMTP.USI.EDU>



There is also a product called BeatIt, which is entirely herbal.  It

can be sprayed on pets as well as people to repel mosquitos, and other

nasties.  It does contain pennyroyal.  Also citronella, eucalyptus, and

a few others.  Our health food stores carry it.  I'm just mentioning it

to those whom might not be aware of such products.  There are others

too.



Susan Christie

International Student and Scholar Services

Office of International Studies and Programs

123 TIGERT HALL                     TELEPHONE:(904)392-9087/FAX392-5575

UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA               BITNET:   SCHRIST@NERVM

GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA 32611          INTERNET: SCHRIST@UFNET.MAIL.UFL.EDU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 23:47:19 +1000

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From:         LEICHTON PHILLIPS <lphillip@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re[1]: why garlic over chemicals?



I think we need to consider the WHOLE disease here...



1. The causes of yeast infecions.

    It's usally not a local infection but rather systemic.



2. Local Treatment

    OTC preparations or locally applied Garlic, are still not looking at the

causes, however. If the garlic was used internally as well     as externally

the cause would probably be dealt with.



3. Complications of OTC preparations.

    As we are all aware, synthetic, concentratedand isolated compounds are

known for their complications.



Leighton Phillips

Brisbane, AUSTRALIA

Phone (h) 07 847 1649

Phone (w) 07 405 5885

Mobile (w) 018 190 207

Internet Address : LPhillip@OZ-EMAIL.COM.AU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:29:34 EDT

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From:         Patricia E OConnor <POC01@ALBNYDH2.BITNET>

Subject:      why garlic over chemicals?

In-Reply-To:  note of Tue,

              14 Jun 1994 13:02:26 -0500 from Siobhan Perricone

              <SIOBHANP@NORWICH.BITNET>



Please send receipe for garlic soup----thanks



* Patricia E. O'Connor                  POC01@ALBNYDH2

* N.Y.S. Health Department

* Empire State Plaza Tower - Room 1219  1-800-638-3808

* Albany, N.Y. 12236                    (518) 473-7192



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 08:07:31 PDT

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From:         Sonya Babbitt <sonyab@REDREDROSE.LABS.TEK.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous

In-Reply-To:  Your message of Tue,

              14 Jun 94 17:03:36 -0400. <9406150616.AA18560@tektronix.TEK.COM>



Hi Susan and other Herb listers,



You spoke of not wanting to use diatomaceous earth because of the

fine powder.



I have read several places that you should even be wearing

a breathing mask, you know the kind doctors or painters wear,

when you put d. earth out.  The fine powder can be inhaled

and the sharp little edges can cut your lungs.



I think the package of d. earth I bought years ago even said

to wear a mask and do not inhale.



I would also be leary of using it on my pets for the same

reason.  Couldn't it possibly hurt their lungs?



Sonya Babbitt



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:45:17 -0400

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From:         Jean DeMayo <DEMAYO@FAXON.COM>

Subject:      Thanks for the help!



Just wanted to thank all of you that sent suggestions and instructions on

signing off this list. I have succesfully signed off of herb under my old

address and have signed on under my new address. In the past, when I tried to

sign off I would get a message back telling me I wasn't signed on because it

didn't reconize my new address. Now when I go on vacation I can set nomail and

it will know who I am....



Thanks again,



Jean, in Massachusetts



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:27:33 CST

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From:         Barbara Ollar <GE2380@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU>

Subject:      Praying Mantis



From: Barbara Ollar

     Special Collections, Morris Library

_____GE2380 @ SIUCVMB

I don't know if you can still buy them, but some gardening supply catalogs

carried praying mantis egg cases. You place them in your garden to hatch and

when they do, there seem to be thousands that will spread out everywhere. Of

course, some stay in the garden and do their job.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 08:27:25 -0700

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From:         Lynn Flance <LFLANCE@ARIZVMS.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Are there herbal cures for Giardia?



I go to an herbalist who recommends a combination of echinecea and

propolis for giardia.  I had giardia two years ago and was treated

with flagyl.  It took away the acute symptoms, but I continued to

have symptoms occasionally.  When I started with her, I mentioned

the giardia and took a course of the echinecea and propolis for 2

months.  So far I have been symptom free.  And it's  A LOT easier

on the body than flagyl.

Lynn Flance

Tucson Medical Center

lflance@ccit.arizona.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 08:56:28 -0700

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From:         Patricia Harper <harper@HSUSEQ.HUMBOLDT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous

In-Reply-To:  <9406150802.AA02443@hsuseq.humboldt.edu> from "Stephen J.

              Marsden" at Jun 14, 94 05:22:08 pm



I know that probably only a few entomologists really *like* fleas,

but there is at least one very effective method of controlling

fleas on pets that does not require poisons or mechanical irritants

(think about the poor flea here!).



It's called a flea comb.  These very fine toothed combs are available

at pet stores or from veternarians for about $5. They are easy to use

and pets *Love* the treatment.



Method is simple.  Sit with your pet next to a toilet or bowl of water

(a drop of dish detergent will alter viscosity so the fleas can't jump

out off of the water surface--but again, consider the poor flea...)

comb your pet, especially the face and neck and base of tail.  As fleas

collect on the comb, drop them into the toilet; when you are finished,

flush them into sewerland or pour the bowl outside.  Do this every day.

(I miss combing my cats when I travel, it becomes almost addictive!)



This is the only method of flea control I have used for the past six

years. After a decade of flea collars, flea dips and flea bites, I can

tell you, truthfully, I believe this is not only the kindest (to both

pet and flea!) but also the most effective method available.



Patricia Harper

harper@hsuseq.humboldt.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 09:52:31 -0700

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From:         Tory Klementsen <tory@ISUMATAQ.ESKIMO.COM>

Subject:      Re: Are there herbal cures for Giardia?

In-Reply-To:  <199406140525.AA21909@isumataq.eskimo.com>



On Tue, 14 Jun 1994, anna yamada wrote:



> 8888

>

>         yes. try powdered ginger dissolved in water 1 tablespoon per quart.

>

>         drink on a regular basis and on an empty stomach.

>

>         then try elecampagne tea in the evenings on a full stomach.

>

>         or swallow a pinch of chewing tobacco and  prepare for nausea and

>         diarrhea.



You have to be very very VERY careful with tobacco, it is a deadly

poison. It is used as a pest killer, not repellent, killer because it has

extremely noxious poisons in it. I would never suggest ingesting tobacco.

Not to mention, it does contain more than 1200 carcinogenic (cancer

causing) agents, and while a pinch might not do you in, I wouldn't mess

with it.



Jess my two cents...



                         |~

                        /^\                     Tory Klementsen

            |~         /_O_\                    Disney on the IRC

  ________/---\________|___|________

 /__^__^__|_^_|_^_^_^__|_^_|__^__^__\           tory@eskimo.com

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 ====================================           A dream is a wish

      \          ()_()         /                your heart makes...

        \         (_)        /

          \                /

  ===================================



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 15:33:00 EDT

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From:         Lesley Gibbs <GIBBS@MIDD.CC.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous



something about the idea of any living creature swallowing

diatomacious earth seems dangerous to me..I mean, isn't this

the stuff that kills slugs and other _soft_bodied_ creatures

because it cuts them to bits.  When I think of the soft

internal organs of a cat coming into contact with this stuff

it doen't seem like a good mix, but perhaps there's some

piece of the puzzle i am missing.  i certainly do not mean

to lead someone away from a non-toxic alternative towards

chemicals, but just to think about it before one dusts one's

feline brothers and sisters with this stuff.

L



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 17:25:45 CDT

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From:         Snake Jones <snake@MOLBIO.CBS.UMN.EDU>

Subject:      insecticidal soap



The most important difference between insecticidal soap and household soaps

is that insecticidal soap is made with potassium instead of sodium.  Sodium

is harmful to soil.  Small quantities won't do much harm, but if you do a

lot of spraying, avoid sodium.



Insecticidal soap is about as dangerous as bath soap.  Don't drink it,

breathe it, or put it in your eyes, and you'll be okay.  The scary

warning label is there because the federal government requires standard

hazard labeling on anything sold for use as a pesticide.  The same soap

could be sold as hand soap, but the scary label would not be required.



Soap is generally not toxic to plants, but it can cause physical damage to

delicate or weak foliage.  If the plant won't stand up to a heavy spraying

with water, don't spray with soap.



Soap is not toxic to aphids.  It kills by drowning them, by plugging their

breathing holes.  It is effective only when sprayed directly on the aphids,

and will not kill aphids that come to the plant after the soap has dried.



I hope this clears up some of the confusion.



snake@molbio.cbs.umn.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 11:49:55 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      BeatIt

In-Reply-To:  <199406151354.AA15305@mail.crl.com>



I have used BeatIt for my horses due to the fact that the alternatives

are terribly toxic. It works unbelievably well.



---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



On Wed, 15 Jun 1994, Susan Christie wrote:



> There is also a product called BeatIt, which is entirely herbal.  It

> can be sprayed on pets as well as people to repel mosquitos, and other

> nasties.  It does contain pennyroyal.  Also citronella, eucalyptus, and

> a few others.  Our health food stores carry it.  I'm just mentioning it

> to those whom might not be aware of such products.  There are others

> too.

>

> Susan Christie

> International Student and Scholar Services

> Office of International Studies and Programs

> 123 TIGERT HALL                     TELEPHONE:(904)392-9087/FAX392-5575

> UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA               BITNET:   SCHRIST@NERVM

> GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA 32611          INTERNET: SCHRIST@UFNET.MAIL.UFL.EDU

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 14:44:35 -0400

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From:         Roberta Stapp <BINNIE@DUQ3.CC.DUQ.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Thanks for the help!



Jean,



What finally worked for you to get off a list.  I have one that I have NOT

been able to get off of and so does my director.



Thanks,



Roberta Stapp

email: binnie@duq3.cc.duq.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 20:20:15 EDT

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From:         David_Merrill@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Re: Herbal schooling



I have two publications which together probably list all the

herbal education courses/teachers/schools you could want to know

about. I recommend you order both; although they overlap pretty

heavily, each has something that the other doesn't.



One is a "Directory of Herbal Training Programs" put out by the

American Herbalists Guild. It contains names and addresses of

residency programs, individual apprenticeships and teachers, and

correspondence courses, in USA and elsewhere, plus a list of

medicinal herb journals and herb videos. You can get this list by

sending $4 to



AHG Training Directory

Box 1683

Soquel, CA 95073



The other is "Directory of Herbal Education", compiled by Laura

Clavio. It's larger than the AHG directory (though it may not

include as many addresses) and has a brief annotation with each

entry. You can get it by sending $6.95 to



Intra-American Specialties

3014 N 400 W

West Lafayette, IN 47906-5231



Intra-American also carries a lot of herb videos; you might ask

for their catalog when you write.



d:=)}<>

David_Merrill@iwp.ccmail.compuserve.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 20:08:27 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Praying Mantis

In-Reply-To:  <199406151703.AA24095@mail.crl.com>



> praying mantis egg cases. You place them in your garden to hatch and

> when they do, there seem to be thousands that will spread out everywhere. Of

> course, some stay in the garden and do their job.



** Not only do some of them stay but the ones who move on contribute to

the lowering of insect pests in the general area which benefits your

garden.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 09:29:19 -0400

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From:         Connie Losie <LOSIEC@HARTWICK.EDU>

Subject:      Pennyroyal



Yesterday at the farm stand, the lady in front of me bought a little green

plant called pennyroyal. She said she was going to take it home and plant it

to keep the bugs away.  My understanding is that this is an herb that has a

mint smell and unlike some other herbs grows like a ground cover plant.

Can someone on the list tell me anymore about this herb and if it works as a bug

repellent.



Thanks in advance,



Connie

Losiec@hartwick.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 00:54:17 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous

In-Reply-To:  <199406160743.AA21355@mail.crl.com>



On Wed, 15 Jun 1994, Lesley Gibbs wrote:



> something about the idea of any living creature swallowing

> diatomacious earth seems dangerous to me..I mean, isn't this

> the stuff that kills slugs and other _soft_bodied_ creatures



** As innocuous as some of these posts seem, I think it is the essential

caveat of this list to "beware" what you apply as far as what you glean

from the advice here. I can just picture someone in a cloud of diatomaceous

dust *coughing*. This stuff is really bad news for your lungs....

The real trick I guess is sorting out the chaff.



-----------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 01:00:08 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Thanks for the help!

In-Reply-To:  <199406160755.AA21814@mail.crl.com>



When in doubt <or desperation> e-mail the POSTMASTER of the domain:

<postmaster@trearn.bitnet> or

<postmaster@somewhere.edu>



---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



On Wed, 15 Jun 1994, Roberta Stapp wrote:



> Jean,

>

> What finally worked for you to get off a list.  I have one that I have NOT

> been able to get off of and so does my director.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Roberta Stapp

> email: binnie@duq3.cc.duq.edu

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 23:13:14 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.RAIN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Accreditation of Naturopathic schools

In-Reply-To:  <m0qDosy-0002X9C@pacifier.rain.com>



> as a postgraduate doctoral program

> there is no ability to take single courses

>

> Mitchell Bebel Stargrove, N.D., L.Ac.

> mitch@teleport.COM

>



Was afraid of that - Thanks / Jack vL



Are you affiliated with them?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 23:18:45 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.RAIN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous

In-Reply-To:  <m0qDpuq-0002AmC@pacifier.rain.com>



> CAUTION - Diatomaceous Earth will do to you, your dogs, and your cats the

> same thing it does to the insects - namely it cuts holes in the skin. Steve



Don't think so - seem to recall reading flyers from distributors

recommending INTERNAL use on animals even, with pictures of humans sampling

it.  I'm not convinced enought to use it myself, mind you.



Stuff doesn't even work well on slugs, because it gets wet and clumpy in

my part of the country.



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 23:31:47 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.RAIN.COM>

Subject:      Re: why garlic over chemicals?

In-Reply-To:  <m0qDwpu-00031UC@pacifier.rain.com>



> Please send receipe for garlic soup----thanks



I'm drooling all over the keyboard in anticipation of seeing some good

recipies.



Stopped at an oriental grocer and ended up with an armload (actually

several small jars) of

  pickled garlic (whole)

  pickled garlic (chopped)

  pickled shallots

Before I use them as finger food, any idea what they were intended for?

In deference to my clients, I am waiting to open the jars until the w/e.



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 10:55:00 LCL

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         GVOTEAU <GVOTEAU.UCS@SMTP.USI.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous



On Wed, 15 Jun 1994, Lesley Gibbs wrote:



> something about the idea of any living creature swallowing > diatomacious

earth seems dangerous to me..I mean, isn't this > the stuff that kills

slugs and other _soft_bodied_ creatures



** As innocuous as some of these posts seem, I think it is the essential

caveat of this list to "beware" what you apply as far as what you glean

from the advice here.  The real trick I guess is sorting out the chaff.



-----------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



So very true.  Yesterday I was pondering the Merck Index (which lists uses

of diatomaceous earth such as dentifrices --i.e., toothpaste--and "a

constituent of and excepient for pill masses") and the Clinical Toxicology

of Commercial Products (the 1984 edition was unavailable).  The 1969 gives

DE -- Dia.Earth-- a toxicity rating of 1 on a scale of 1 to 6.  "1" stands

for practically nontoxic.  By comparison,  pennyroyal oil and eucalyptol

(major constituent of eucalyptus oil) rate 4 --very toxic.  Pyrethrin(I or

II) is 3 -- moderately toxic.  Perspective is important -- you're likely to

use more DE than pennyroyal oil -- but it's an interesting point.  I talked

to someone who has used DE in an industrial setting (the brewing industry,

no less) he was VERY EMPHATIC about using safety masks.  I had the

impression from the Merck Index that a major problem with breathing either

DE or silicon dioxide is silicosis, so I looked up a book on lung diseases.

 Silicosis is a problem of silica in the lungs (that's a VERY SIMPLIFIED

version of what I read).  Silica is the second most common element on this

planet, and silicosis is a problem in any of the "dusty" professions

(foundry work, mining, stone masons, etc) and may occur after 1-20 years of

low levels of exposure.  All of which made me ponder the original question

(cats and DE) and speculate whether kitty litter dust could be even more of

a problem from a silicosis standpoint.  Also, I checked out DE in gardening

books, and discovered that pool-filter grade DE is different than natural

grade, and that pool-filter grade should NOT be used for insect control

(they gave reasons for this).  I also used a magazine index (Academic

Abstracts on cdRom) and found several articles on why DE is preferable to

other insect controls.  And discovered that DE is used in commercial

herbicides and pesticides.



Overall, this has been an interesting learning experience.  I hope everyone

has a chance to follow up on questions this way.  Remember, YOU may find

info the rest of us don't have access to.  PLEASE SHARE.



Gail

gvoteau.ucs@smtp.usi.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 07:16:23 EDT

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From:         Julie Waters <JulieWolf@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Garlic Soup



Someone on HERBS asked for a recipie for garlic soup, so I'm sending it there

plus to a few friends.  So if you've got an unsolicited recipie for "garlic

soup" in your mailbox, that's why.  This isn't exactly _garlic_ soup, but

it's a soup with a lot of garlic in it.  Some of the ingredients can be

modified to taste.  Be warned, if you don't LOVE garlic with all your heart

and soul, this soup isn't for you!



-----------------------------------------------------------------------------



Julie's Amazing Garlic (And Other Stuff) Soup



4-5 cups water

2 bulbs garlic

1/2 cup fresh basil

4 scallions

1/4 cup peanuts

1 bullion cube

1/8 cup sesame seeds

A _very_ slight amount of rosemary

2 tbs brewer's yeast



(Optional-- a dash of cumin or oregano-- some people like it, some don't.

 Also optional is to add a little chopped spinach, sliced carrots,cubed tofu,

slivers of tempeh, bits of seaweed or slices of broccoli to add more "meat"

to the soup).



Heat water in medium sized pot.  Add the bullion cube and the scalions to the

water and wait for boil.  While the water is heating, peel the garlic, mince

the basil and chop the scallions into thin slices.  Put the garlic, peanuts

and basil in a blender.  Once water has boiled, lower heat to simmer.  Add

remaining ingredients and let simmer for ten minutes, with lid removed from

pot.



Ta-da... garlic (and other stuff) soup :)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 07:44:27 -0700

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From:         CHRIS WIATROWSKI <christin@NEVADA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Aphids

In-Reply-To:  <199406150527.WAA17614@post-office.nevada.edu>



I just thought I'd add my two cents here about aphids.  I have found that

many of my plants attract aphids if they are stressed, i.e. not enough

water and etc.  I use yellow buckets filled with water and one or two

drops of dishwashing liquid added to them.  The aphids love the yellow

color and when they fly in, the liquid soap in the bucket does not allow

them to fly out.  I always put out yellow buckets in the Spring close to

my roses and apricot tree as these plants seem to be magnets for aphids.

I also increase my water to the plants and spray the plant off with water

to discourage the aphids from roosting.



Chris Wiatrowski

christin@nevada.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 09:49:05 -0500

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From:         Lyn Belisle <belisle@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Pennyroyal

In-Reply-To:  <199406161433.JAA21725@Paula-Formby.tenet.edu>



On Thu, 16 Jun 1994, Connie Losie wrote:



> Yesterday at the farm stand, the lady in front of me bought a little green

> plant called pennyroyal. She said she was going to take it home and plant it

> to keep the bugs away.  My understanding is that this is an herb that has a

> mint smell and unlike some other herbs grows like a ground cover plant.

> Can someone on the list tell me anymore about this herb and if it works as a b

ug

> repellent.

>

Connie,

I know that the essential oil of pennyroyal works as an insect repellent

because I use it in a formula with citronella and other oils that really

keeps away the bugs. There have been some recent discussions about the

plant itself on the list -- someone said that the plant could irritate an

animal's skin.  Sorry, i don't remember who wrote that, but I appreciated

the information.  The Latin name is mentha pulegium -- it is also an

abortifacient, and should not be used by pregnant women under any

circumstances.

Let me know if you want the herbal insect repellent "recipe".

      Lyn



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:18:28 -0500

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From:         Siobhan Perricone <SIOBHANP@NORWICH.BITNET>

Subject:      ::sigh:: Why did you ask, then?



>>>Excuse me for being so dense, but why insert garlic into one's

>>>vagina when fine remedies for yeast can be purchased in any

>>>drugstore?

>>>- Peggy -



>>Why use herbs over man-made chemicals for anything?  Because the natural

>>items tend to be less invasive in the body, overall. (IMO)  I KNOW that I have

>>no reaction to garlic.  And I know what garlic IS.  And it is CHEAPER than

>>those remedies.  It has been my experience that the herbal remedies I use are

>>more EFFECTIVE, and tend to promote OTHER good things, not just giving me a

>>good effect for the one thing I'm using it to "fix".



>With a yeast cream purchased at a drugstore there is far less worry

>about it burning sensitive vaginal tissues, the way people worry

>about garlic.  And excuse me for being indelicate, but it smells

>a hole lot better (no pun intended).



So you just ignore the part where my experience has been that it is more

effective and cheaper.  If you already knew the answer, why did you bother

to ask?  You asked WHY someone would use garlic and I gave you three reasons.

1) it is more effective (IMO); 2) it is cheaper than OTC remedies; 3) it doesn't

tend to have the variety of side effects other "man-made chemicals" tend to have

(sorry, but I don't agree that the smell is a side effect; garlic is certainly

a much cleaner smell than the secretions from a vaginal yeast infection)



Just about any thing you try to use on most infections will burn a little bit.

The major difference here is that there is a *risk* of burning some sensitive

tissues.  I guess it's really based on what you deem important.  I am more

willing to risk some burning sens



[text deleted...]



>>[warning: incoming religious philosophy]



>>I also feel that we are creations of God.  And that God also created the

>>plants and herbs.  And that he knew what he was doing.  I trust God-made

>>garlic over man-made "Vagisil" any day of the week.



>God also invented the chemicals used in over-the-counter

>medicines.  They didn't appear out of thin air.  So I don't why

>they are caste as ethically worse than herbs.



Yes, but the don't (generally) come in the form we force them into naturally.

They are, therefore, not NATURAL, and, therefore, not what God made.  I never

said they were ETHICALLY worse, just that I think, generally, the remedies we

find in nature are more efficacious (sp?) without the side effects we have

come to know.  The big thing here is TRUST.  I said that I TRUST the God-made

stuff more than the man-made stuff.  Trusting the man-made stuff also means,

de facto, that I trust the government and the multi-national chemical companies

to do the necessary testing and collection of data on the effects of a

particular item.  It means that I am also trusting them to decide what is an

acceptable side effect and what is not FOR me, and that I am trusting them to

let me know, in an understandable manner, what those side effects may be.  And

the reality is, simply, that I don't necessarily trust the government or the

chemical/drug companies to really care enough or be honest enough about what

they are putting into the stuff they sell.  I know there are an awful lot of

regulations out there about what they are allowed to put in, some of my problems

come from what they are ALLOWED to put in.



FOR EXAMPLE:



They may think it is an acceptable side effect for nasal sprays to be

"addictive" and to not inform people of that fact, but I do not.  The facts of

the matter are that, on the nasal spray package it DOES say "do not use for

more than three consecutive days" or something like that.  What it does NOT

say is "or your sinuses will be so irritated that your nose will constantly be

dripping and stuffed unless you keep using the nasal spray".  It is not clear

at all that nasal sprays actually IRRITATE the sinus tissues.  And over time

that irritation just keeps staying there.  So you blast the spray again because

you think it won't really hurt to use it ONE more time, and pretty soon

you're using it all the time because it is the only way you get relief from

swollen sinuses.  I learned that the hard way.  And I admit, had I followed

the warning, I would have been fine.  But I find it hard to believe that I

am alone in this stupidity (I am not the only one who has had this happen, I

know that much).  I'm not asking for the government to protect me from my

own stupidity, but I would have liked to have the WHOLE story, not just HALF.

So I could make a more informed choice about what I was squirting up my nose.



The reality is that nasal sprays do actual damage to the sinuses, yet they

are still sold because they provide symptomatic relief when one has a

cold.  But they never actually TELL you that the spray WILL (not MAY, but WILL)

harm your sinus tissues.



>I don't hesitate to use herbal remedies when I can.  I take the

>cold teas and other soothing teas, and acidopholous.  But when it

>comes to doing something with obvious side effects, like putting

>garlic in the vagina (burning, smelly, slow acting)......  Well

>that is something I would never do when I can buy a cream that

>works perfectly with no worries.

>- Peggy -



Fine, I wasn't arguing that YOU should do ANYTHING.  YOU asked US why WE

choose to use garlic instead of OTC creams.  And, as I said before but will

say again for emphasis; the burning doesn't HAVE to happen, so it isn't a

foregone conclusion that if you use garlic you WILL have burning; the smell

is a personal thing, and I, personally, prefer the smell of garlic the to

the smell of an infected vagina (not that my nose is down there very often

anyway); and I have never found garlic to be that slow acting.



Obviously, for YOU, the trade offs are different.



Siobhan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 04:24:57 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         HowieB1991@AOL.COM

Subject:      Essiac again



Netters,



Sheep Sorrel, Rumex acetocella, is a wild food, among other things. It has a

tart flavor due to oxalic acid. Yummy, but needs to be taken in moderation as

it can burn your throat if overdosed. Yellow dock, Rumex crispus, also has

oxalic acid, as the wood sorrel, Oxalis oregona, and other oxalis sp. that

grow in lawns. Rhubarb has so much oxalic acid as to be poison raw, edible

cooked. A house plant Dieffenbachia (sp.) has so much of this acid it causes

burnt throat poisoning, hence the common name dumbcane. Oxalic acid has been

definately linked to the formation of kidney stones. People prone to these

are often cut off spinach and other oxalic acid containing foods. I'm do not

understand why essiac works, although I don't automatically say it doesn't.

When it first became popular, herb purchasers in the local stores asked me

for Rumex acetocella, thinking it was the main ingredient of essiac. I urged

folks not to tincture sheep sorrel alone, as it could not possibly be healthy

for most folk.



In fact, I don't think essiac should be made into tincture for this reason

alone. Most folks originally used it in tea form. But then it's just my

opinion. I have little experience with cancer.



But I do know any "drug" that could cure cancer most likely should not be

taken on a regular basis as a vitamin for preventative measures, or to be

healthier. Back when goldenseal  was the fad herb, I saw too many yellow

hippies (liver problems) taking it every day as a supplement. They were

yellow because of it.



Unfortunately, essiac tincture has come round here as the new kombucha, in

the same circle as kombucha, with roughly the same kind of grand claims. (no

harm against our fungal friend, we could all use a little culture, but I

doubt greatly I'll live to be 150 drinking it without some other lifestyle

changes). This is crazy. Know about your herbs before a daily dose on a

regular basis. Most of the folks I talk to who have this tincture got it from

a friend and know nothing about it except its suppose to to real good for you

and possibly prevent cancer.



So......the diffrence between food and poison is dosage



And.... the difference between poison and medicine is dosage.



Howie



howieb@delphi.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 14:39:18 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         Jtreasure@AOL.COM

Subject:      Soup a l'ail



Garlic soup is universally found all over mediterranean europe.

There are literally hundreds of local variants, but there are two basic types

- spicey or herby - I prefer the former in winter and for convalescence. It

is a superb way to enjoy the extraordinary restorative and curative

properties of garlic, and not at all <garlic breath> inducing.....



Here is one  recipe for soup a l'ail that I learned while living in Provence

and regularly use both for convalescence and for dinner parties -



sweat gently over a low flame 20 large fresh peeled cloves of garlic in a

couple of tbs of your best olive oil. When soft, mash them, add a quart of

water or home prepared vegetable stock,  add a tsp mace, (pieces are fine), a

stick of cinnamon and some nutmeg.Add plenty fresh black pepper . Bring to

boil and simmer for half hour. Seperate 3 or 4 eggs , strain the soup and

reserve. Beat the egg yolks gently and slowly add a cup of the warm reserved

soup to the yolks so's not to curdle. Return this to the soup and gently

reheat the strained soup adjusting the seasoning. Meanwhile dip a slice of

bread in the egg whites and place one in each preheated bowl. pour the hot

soup over the bread and serve.



Vegans or convalescents might want to skip the egg bit.....i guess



jonathan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 14:10:01 -0400

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From:         NYS Equalization and Assessment <nyealib1@TRANSIT.NYSER.NET>

Subject:      Aphids, fleas, now termites



A friend is frantic, she has termites in her Saratoga Springs home (very

damp). We've been looking at her chemical options, so far one of them

doesn't cause anaphalactic shock among other deaths. Can anyone suggest a

better option?

Thanks,

Patricia Michel

nyealib1@transit.nyser.net

Albany, NY



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:37:41 PST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         "FRED W. BACH" <music@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous



>From:  MX%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET" 15-JUN-1994 09:10:09.38

>To:    MX%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET"

>CC:

>Subj:  Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous

>

>Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"." <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

>From: Patricia Harper <harper@HSUSEQ.HUMBOLDT.EDU>

>Subject: Re: Fleas & Diatomaceous

>Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de

>To: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

>In-Reply-To:  <9406150802.AA02443@hsuseq.humboldt.edu> from "Stephen J.

>    Marsden" at Jun 14, 94 05:22:08 pm

>

>I know that probably only a few entomologists really *like* fleas,

>but there is at least one very effective method of controlling

>fleas on pets that does not require poisons or mechanical irritants

>(think about the poor flea here!).

>

>It's called a flea comb.  These very fine toothed combs are available



  [ stuff deleted ]

>

>Patricia Harper

>harper@hsuseq.humboldt.edu



  So that's good for the cats and maybe the dogs, but what about the fleas

 that lie in waiting under the first few inches of the living-room sofa and

 other furniture?  They lie there waiting for HUMAN blood!  And they are

 especially voracious in the summertime when the house has been uninhabited

 for a few days.  They are brave enough to jump all over our legs as we

 watch TV!  We could catch them in our fingers (the nastly little dweebs!).



  I have since found that they don't like walkways but they DO like the first

 few inches underneath furniture and the areas along the outside of carpets

 just along the walls and under the windows.   I vacuumed these areas and

 sprayed them with a moth-killer in a spray can as suggested by some

 government department I phoned.  This worked very well!  I vacuumed the

 sofa and chairs and sprayed the crevices.  No more problem.



  However, a very nice old German lady I know suggests sprinkling baking soda

 into the carpet in all these areas.  She swears it is effective, since she

 has lots of animals and has learned how to handle the problem.  It might be

 effective, but I have not yet tried it, as we got rid of our cats and dog.

 Yes, we had them for a while *after* I sprayed the fleas!   Anyone else tried

 this baking-soda trick?  It certainly should be inexpensive.



 Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca

 TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/333

 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074

 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

  Damien says " If you don't STAND for SOMETHING, you'll FALL for ANYTHING "

 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.

 They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 15:41:00 EDT

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From:         Carol Crosby <GRCC1@DIN.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: ::sigh:: Why did you ask, then?



Siobjan,



I just have to tell you that you are a joy and I always enjoy your

conversations.  The comment "not that my nose is down there very often

anyway"  made me laugh so hard, I almost peed in my pants!



Thanks for the laugh.

Carol



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 15:58:57 EDT

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From:         Ellee Margileth <emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & ...



One thing about vacuuming... BE SURE TO EMPTY THE BAG IMMEDIATELY AFTER

FINISHING & THROW THE BAG AWAY OUTSIDE!!   This house has had a real

problem with fleas since I moved in (a dirt basement).  We are also having

a *very bad* year with fleas - even worse than last if that is possible &

Chubbs& the cats have always been a flea magnet.  I have been vacuuming

every 2 to 3 days & enclosing each bag in several plastic grocery store

bags tied up tightly.  I can actually hear those little *!#*!@s jumping

around in there.  DISGUSTING!!



I was also once talking with a vet who did not use chemicals & she said

that baking soda worked pretty well but you have to keep up with it.  It

isn't like Precor which is supposed to mutate hatching larvae.



I use a flea comb & it is great!  I've found the double rowed, metal are

the best.  They jump on me but they don't bite.... must be all that garlic

I eat!



One good thing about the fleas.... the only good thing is that they keep

Kenny's mother away because they LOVE her.... :-)!



Ellee



PS I can't get Chubbs to eat anything with brewer's yeast & garlic on it

but the cats will & they have a definite reduction in fleas!!



>>I know that probably only a few entomologists really *like* fleas,

>>but there is at least one very effective method of controlling

>>fleas on pets that does not require poisons or mechanical irritants

>>(think about the poor flea here!).

>>

>>It's called a flea comb.  These very fine toothed combs are available

>

>  [ stuff deleted ]

>>

>>Patricia Harper

>>harper@hsuseq.humboldt.edu

>

>

>  So that's good for the cats and maybe the dogs, but what about the fleas

> that lie in waiting under the first few inches of the living-room sofa and

> other furniture?  They lie there waiting for HUMAN blood!  And they are

> especially voracious in the summertime when the house has been uninhabited

> for a few days.  They are brave enough to jump all over our legs as we

> watch TV!  We could catch them in our fingers (the nastly little dweebs!).

>

>  I have since found that they don't like walkways but they DO like the first

> few inches underneath furniture and the areas along the outside of carpets

> just along the walls and under the windows.   I vacuumed these areas and

> sprayed them with a moth-killer in a spray can as suggested by some

> government department I phoned.  This worked very well!  I vacuumed the

> sofa and chairs and sprayed the crevices.  No more problem.

>

>  However, a very nice old German lady I know suggests sprinkling baking soda

> into the carpet in all these areas.  She swears it is effective, since she

> has lots of animals and has learned how to handle the problem.  It might be

> effective, but I have not yet tried it, as we got rid of our cats and dog.

> Yes, we had them for a while *after* I sprayed the fleas!   Anyone else tried

> this baking-soda trick?  It certainly should be inexpensive.

>

> Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca

> TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/333

> 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074

> University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

>  Damien says " If you don't STAND for SOMETHING, you'll FALL for ANYTHING "

> These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.

> They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.



Ellee Margileth               Email: emargile@solar.rtd.utk.edu

Research Services             Phone: (615) 974-2908

The University of Tennessee   Fax:   (615) 974-6508

Knoxville, TN 37796-4020



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 07:45:23 -0500

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From:         Lyn Belisle <belisle@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: why garlic over chemicals?

In-Reply-To:  <199406151522.KAA16845@Paula-Formby.tenet.edu>



On Wed, 15 Jun 1994, Patricia E OConnor wrote:



> Please send receipe for garlic soup----thanks

>

Patricia --

This is one of my favorite soups.  I hope you enjoy it.



          Lyn



>From belisle@tenet.edu Sun Jun  6 18:25:41 1993

Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 20:04:16 -0500 (CDT)

From: Lyn Belisle <belisle@tenet.edu>

To: Multiple recipients of list <EAT-L@VTVM2.CC.VT.EDU>

Subject: Recipe Exchange/Sopa de Ajo



    Attention garlic lovers--

My husband Michael is fixing this soup for dinner tonight--the house is

absolutely permeated with the smell of sauteed garlic cloves. We first had

this in San Miguel de Allende, and this adaptation is the result of several

attempts.  Believe it or not, the trick sems to be the ketchup and

Parmesan--don't know why but it works.All the garlic makes you thirsty,

though, so you might want to keep a glass of water by your bedside.



                    SOPA DE AJO (Garlic Soup)



10 large cloves of garlic, peeled (ok, so we use more)

2 Tablespoons olive oil

2 cans beef broth with 2 cans water (or if you have 5 cups homemade beef

stock, it's better)

1-2 dried Bay leaves

1 bunch fresh cilantro (reserve some for garnish)

1/4 c. catsup (ketchup?  I never know)

1/3 Cup grated Parmesan cheese ( the cardboard Kraft kind works)

2 beaten egg yolks

4-5 slices buttered bread



Mince or mash garlic and saute in olive oil until tender.  Stir in broth,

water (if using canned broth), cilantro, and bay leaf.  Cover and simmer

for about an hour--add catsup and simmer for about 15 minutes uncovered.



Meanwhile, butter bread and toast it in a 325 degree oven for 10-15

min--croutons.  Quarter slices and use 2-3 quarters per bowl.



Strain soup.  I use one of those mesh colanders.  Add 1 Cup soup gradualy

to beaten egg yolks and return to saucepan to thicken slightly, stirring

constantly.  Add Parmesan cheese until it's incorporated and doesn't look

grainy--5 min?  Put toast quarters in bowl and pour hot soup over--garnish

with more cilantro--serves about four people, and it's very good.

                 Lyn Belisle

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Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 17:15:43 EDT

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From:         YE65 <YE65@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>

Subject:      Pet problems



Halo for Pets has herbal ear wash which dries on its own.  Works great

on those flop-eared dogs, like springers who can have smelly ears.  Also

Oxyfresh carries pet products that are outstanding! they also carryhuman

products that are outstanding!  LIke a great tooth paste and mouthrinse

that help with gum problems.  Private inquires about either can be sent

to ye65@music.ferris.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 18:06:51 -0500

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From:         Siobhan Perricone <SIOBHANP@NORWICH.BITNET>

Subject:      Recipe: Garlic Soup Ala Siobhan



Many people have asked for my garlic soup recipe, so I'm posting it.

I use a wide variety of herbs in it, some for flavor, others for the

qualities that make me feel better!  [big smile]



I don't usually measure things, but I'll try to put some quantities for y'all.



I make a BIG batch of soup and eat it over a couple of days.  I use a BIG

"dutch oven" style pot.



Put about 8 cups of water in the dutch oven.  If you prefer, you can start with

stock.  I don't usually have stock, so I make it out of bullion cubes.



Add the following:

at least 1 whole chopped white onion (more if you like onion)

        (I don't like yellow or vidalia, too sweet, not enough bite ... )

at least 1 head of garlic, broken into cloves and the cloves peeled and chopped

  into big chunks (if you don't like chunks of garlic, chop them up finer)

Bay leaves (I generally use 1 per cup if they are cheap and dried, fresh ones

  would probably taste better, but I can never get them)

6-8 bullion cubes (chicken or veggie), or any other thing you can use to turn

  the water into "stock" (omit if you start with actual stock)

Celery to taste, including leaves

Carrots to tasted, sliced (I don't peel them, I just wash 'em and slice 'em up)

3-4 unpeeled, washed potatoes (I prefer white, golden, or red, but russets will

  do if that's all you have) cut up into smallish chunks; maybe no bigger than

  .5 inch cubes.

Sage to taste (fresh is best, but well dried and cared for will do, too)

Thyme to taste

Rosemary to taste

Summer Savory (if you like it, my husband isn't fond of it)

Some black pepper (not much, just a tad)

I'd avoid adding salt, the stock or bullion is usually salty enough for cooking.



I bring this to a boil, then turn it down to simmer for a while.  Maybe 45 mins?

Until the carrots are starting to soften. (the carrots may take longer to cook

than the potatoes depending how big your chunks are).  Then I add chunks of

chicken (I really like chicken in this), and let the chicken start cooking.  If

you don't like chicken, I bet you could try some tofu chunks (but I've never

tried it, they may not work).



Then I add some tortellini with cheese in it.  And once the tortellini is done,

the veggies are usually plenty cooked.  At the last minute I add a TON of

FRESH FRESH FRESH chopped parsley (any kind, as long as it's fresh, you need

to add only fresh because the main point to adding it is for the vitamin C it

has, and if it isn't fresh, it won't have the vitamin C anymore!).  I also

garnish it with the green part of some scallions chopped.



Siobhan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 17:28:00 LCL

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From:         GVOTEAU <GVOTEAU.UCS@SMTP.USI.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Praying Mantis



> praying mantis egg cases. You place them in your garden to hatch and >

when they do, there seem to be thousands that will spread out everywhere.

Of > course, some stay in the garden and do their job.



** Not only do some of them stay but the ones who move on contribute to the

lowering of insect pests in the general area which benefits your garden.



Gee,  I didn't know mantids were such fussy eaters...they focus exclusively

on insect PESTS?  No beneficial insects are chomped?  Do you give them

little menus when you release them to make sure they toe the line? :-)

Sorry, I couldn't resist.  Seriously, some people do object to them because

they supposedly eat beneficial insects, too...including, perhaps, each

other (although I've also read that the female consumes the mating male in

captivity but not in the wild...)...



What a fun listserv -- cats! fleas! insect life cycles! cancer treatments!

pool filters! garlic soup!  We've got it all!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 16:20:03 -0700

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From:         Hazel Boston-Baden <hazel@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: Need help in L.A./Long Beach area

In-Reply-To:  <199406131514.IAA13460@mail.netcom.com> from "Jack Barclay" at

              Jun 13, 94 08:50:01 am



--

lynn         hazel-lynn@netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 16:39:44 PST

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From:         Marion Bashista <OARMHB@UCSCVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Aphids, fleas, now termites

In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu,

              16 Jun 1994 14:10:01 -0400 from <nyealib1@TRANSIT. NYSER.NET>



Pat,



I live in a 'very' termite prone area - Santa Cruz, CA.  We recently

to have all those chemicals floating in the house and ultimately us.

We've also got a dog so it was important that we minimize the toxic

stuff for her.



Locally there are two companies offering alternatives.

One company offers freezing (their

Yellow Pages ad says they "freeze termites' little buns off".

The other folks offer electro pets treatment - electrical current

pushed through the termite tunnels in the wood.  Luckily, we

did not require anything other than the initial inspection.  But

friends who used the electro-gun treatment reported great results.



Marion Bashista

Santa Cruz, CA

e-mail OARMHB@UCSCVM.EDU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 21:04:28 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Aphids, fleas, now termites

In-Reply-To:  <199406162340.AA21397@mail.crl.com>



Lived most of my life in Cruz and never used anything but the electronic

degausser. It works.



---------------------------------------------------------robbee@crl.com---



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Jun 1994 20:18:39 -0700

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From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Essiac again

In-Reply-To:  <199406161847.AA28040@mail.crl.com>



On Wed, 15 Jun 1994 HowieB1991@aol.com wrote:

> In fact, I don't think essiac should be made into tincture for this reason

> alone.



** Quite right Howie, R.Caisse staed that one of the reasons she was

reticent to publicize the formula was to prevent this type of problem.



> But I do know any "drug" that could cure cancer most likely should not be

> taken on a regular basis as a vitamin for preventative measures, or to be

> healthier. Back when goldenseal  was the fad herb, I saw too many yellow

> hippies (liver problems) taking it every day as a supplement.



** This is the other and probably main problem she didn't want to publicize

the recipe, perfectly healthy people read about Essiac, go out and buy

the herbs, cook them up and take the stuff out of curiosity. Duh. She was

one smart person who knew people. The big debate in Canada was exactly

these two issues.



> Know about your herbs before a daily dose on a

> regular basis. Most of the folks I talk to who have this tincture got it from

> a friend and know nothing about it except its suppose to to real good for you

> and possibly prevent cancer.



** I have to agree with the caveat, especially concerning oxalic acid and/or

combos containing it. People who understand the action of Essiac as to

"prevent" cancer are mistaken. While it has great anecdotal support as

well as some research data from Canada, this is absolutely no platform

for the belief that it would prevent anything. In fact as Glum said,

"there is no clear indication that it would not _cause_ sarcoma in a

healthy system." <my italics>.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 08:06:04 -0400

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From:         Lisa Vawter <vawter@MCZ.HARVARD.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & ...

In-Reply-To:  (null)



> I was also once talking with a vet who did not use chemicals & she said

> that baking soda worked pretty well but you have to keep up with it.  It

> isn't like Precor which is supposed to mutate hatching larvae.

>

Precor contains a juvenile hormone analogue.  This doesn't mutate larvae,

but keeps them from ever becoming adults by affecting their development.



> I use a flea comb & it is great!

Yep.  love those flea combs.

>

> PS I can't get Chubbs to eat anything with brewer's yeast & garlic on it

> but the cats will & they have a definite reduction in fleas!!

Have you tried the brewers' yeast with no garlic?  Still works pretty

well.  And I've never come across a dog (I'm assuming that Chubbs is a dog.)

that wouldn't eat yeast.



Lisa (insect geneticist)

vawter@harvard.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 08:13:05 -0400

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From:         Lisa Vawter <vawter@MCZ.HARVARD.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Aphids, fleas, now termites

In-Reply-To:  (null)



On Thu, 16 Jun 1994, NYS Equalization and Assessment wrote:



> A friend is frantic, she has termites in her Saratoga Springs home (very

> damp). We've been looking at her chemical options, so far one of them

> doesn't cause anaphalactic shock among other deaths. Can anyone suggest a

> better option?

> Thanks,

> Patricia Michel

> nyealib1@transit.nyser.net

> Albany, NY



I don't know of any effective non-nasty remedy for termites, other than

enclosing your house in a big tent and dry-heating it till they dessicate

(Yes, this is done, but is pretty pricey.).  The dry-heat treatment will

only kill the termites that are there, but the house will still probably

be reinfested in the future.  And unfortunately, the termite poisons I

know about are all pretty nasty.



Lisa Vawter

entomologist (but not a nozzle-head/spray jockey type)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 09:49:05 CDT

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From:         "E. Sezonov" <z999046@MDACC.MDA.UTH.TMC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & ...



Re: fleas...

>

>Precor contains a juvenile hormone analogue.  This doesn't mutate larvae,

>but keeps them from ever becoming adults by affecting their development.



I once heard mention of a flea-control method that worked like birth-control

(no name, no details).  Maybe that was it: Precor.  (I kind of

thought, mmm..., maybe it's tiny little condoms?):)



Erica



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:59:43 MET

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From:         IVAN BLANARIK <Ivan.Blanarik@FPHARM.UNIBA.SK>

Subject:      Re: Request: Bronchial Herbs



> Subj:   Request: Bronchial Herbs

>

> I have an excellent herb remedy for bronchial problems: Yerba Santa.

> I haven't seen it in my herb books, but it has cured the bronchial problems

> of everybody I have given it to.  It was given to me by a Mexican woman.

> Some whole foods stores carry it as bulk tea and some as liquid extract

> (drops).  I recommended it highly.

>

> Erica Sezonov                     --  Good planets are hard to find.



What is a latin name for Yerba Santa? Do you have any idea what kind of

constituents are responsible for its excelent action?



Ivan

********

Blanarik@magist.fpharm.uniba.sk



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:27:55 +0300

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From:         "Ellee C. Margileth" <emargile@SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Fleas & Chubbs



Lisa,



Thanks for setting me straight about Precor!  :)  Has anybody ever used the

rug shampoos with flea killer in them?  I would prefer not to use chemicals

but I also need to wash my rugs (which are not in great shape to begin with

- I live in an older rental home) and am getting to the point of giving

in... maybe.  It is a losing battle. :(   If the shampoo is a total waste

of time, I do not want to waste money on it but pretty soon the fleas are

going to push us out.  IT IS BAD!



>> I was also once talking with a vet who did not use chemicals & she said

>> that baking soda worked pretty well but you have to keep up with it.  It

>> isn't like Precor which is supposed to mutate hatching larvae.

>>

>> PS I can't get Chubbs to eat anything with brewer's yeast & garlic on it

>> but the cats will & they have a definite reduction in fleas!!

>Have you tried the brewers' yeast with no garlic?  Still works pretty

>well.  And I've never come across a dog (I'm assuming that Chubbs is a dog.)

>that wouldn't eat yeast.



Guess you haven't met Chubbs :)  It is actually the brewers yeast more than

the garlic that he walks away from. Some people might think he is a dog but

he doesn't!  Not sure I do either.  He has become pickier with his illness.

Speaking of which - I want to thank everybody who sent me information re:

Essiac and cancer in pets!  Not only were all your messages informative but

your words of support & kindness have been very helpful to me!  He has been

on the Essiac for a little over 2 weeks (closer to 3) and I have noticed

improvements in his appetite (eating more but still picky), the color in

his gums and tongue, his energy level and reduction in some tumors ever so

slightly.  Once again, everybody's kindness has been emotionally uplifting

and I don't think I could truly convey my appreciation!



Ellee



Ellee Margileth                Phone: (615) 974-2908

Research Services              Fax:   (615) 974-6508

The University of Tennessee    Email: emargile@solar.rtd.utk.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:29:33 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Patrick Wagman <vlsb!pwagman@VLSB.AFSV.AF.MIL>

Subject:      RE Re: Fleas & Chubbs



Ellee



>Thanks for setting me straight about Precor!  :)  Has anybody ever used the

>rug shampoos with flea killer in them?  I would prefer not to use chemicals

>but I also need to wash my rugs (which are not in great shape to begin with

>- I live in an older rental home) and am getting to the point of giving

>in... maybe.  It is a losing battle. :(   If the shampoo is a total waste

>of time, I do not want to waste money on it but pretty soon the fleas are

>going to push us out.  IT IS BAD!



I used some a few years ago, I don't remember what kind, whatever

they sold were we got the machine.  I don't remember a lot of

details but it sure killed the fleas!  I remember that much.



Pat

pwagman@vlsb.afsv.af.mil



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 08:38:36 -0700

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Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.RAIN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Aphids, fleas, now termites

In-Reply-To:  <m0qEX5b-0003RXC@pacifier.rain.com>



This is no longer 'herb specific', but is still of interest.



> Lived most of my life in Cruz and never used anything but the electronic

> degausser. It works.



Is that like the electromagnet I bought at Radio Shack to bulk-erase

cassette tapes?  And how do you do this?  Crawl along the underneath of

the house and zap every inch of wood for xxx seconds?



Which then brings up the possible health hazards of using such a device,

because the user is probably in longer contact than the soon-to-die bugs.

Comments?



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:14:00 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Sheila Emerson <sheila@LWNEXT.CRC.UPENN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: FAQ file

In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "E. Sezonov" at Jun 7, 94 01:46:26 pm



Hi!



I'm definitely in favor of an FAQ!  I know it would really help me!



--

SLE

;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)



        The road to success is paved with elbow grease and perspiration -

                Maybe that's why it's so slippery.



Sheila Lorrett Emerson                  Phone:  (215) 898-9090 or

Computing Resource Center                       (215) 573-3567

Computing Services Consultant           FAX:    (215) 573-2110

3732 Locust Walk

Philadelphia, PA  19104-6269

email: emerson@crc.upenn.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 12:46:32 EDT

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From:         YE65 <YE65@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>

Subject:      gum treatment



I couldn't remember which list the original inquiry about gum

treatmentswas on, sorry, if this is redundant....My suggestion is to try

Oxyfresh.they have a toothpaste and mouthrinse, which are excellent.  I

too have "deep pockets" and very sensitive teeth, have 4 bridges and one

cap.  This product has been amazing.  Also, they have a Dental

Antioxidant Formula and regular antioxident formula.  It's not required

to have dental problems to use the product either.  It's a great

preventative for dental care, and a great breath freshener.  Anyway, you

can tell I like it.  If there is any interest in it, please let me know,

privately, if you prefer, I can send you info and a sample of the

toothpaste if you include your snail mail address.  Till then...

Bonnie <ye65@music.ferris.edu>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 14:01:11 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Marcia MacNeill <MBMACNEILL@NSTCC.CC.TN.US>

Subject:      Re: gum treatment



>treatmentswas on, sorry, if this is redundant....My suggestion is to try

>Oxyfresh.they have a toothpaste and mouthrinse, which are excellent.  I

>too have "deep pockets" and very sensitive teeth, have 4 bridges and one

>cap.  This product has been amazing.  Also, they have a Dental

>Antioxidant Formula and regular antioxident formula.  It's not required

>to have dental problems to use the product either.  It's a great

>preventative for dental care, and a great breath freshener.  Anyway, you

>can tell I like it.  If there is any interest in it, please let me know,

>privately, if you prefer, I can send you info and a sample of the

>toothpaste if you include your snail mail address.  Till then...

>Bonnie <ye65@music.ferris.edu>



Hi...Would appreciate this information. Please send to my home address

which is 910 Buttermilk Road,Blountville, TN 37617

Thanks,

Marcia MacNeill-Coordinator, Center for the Deaf/Hard of Hearing

Northeast State Technical Community College, P.O. Box 246,Blountville, TN 37617

Phone:615-323-3191 OR 1-800-836-7822 Fax: 615-323-3083 MCMACNEILL@NSTCC.CC.TN.US



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 13:39:09 -0400

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From:         denise Gluck <GLUCKD@NYUACF.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Pet problems



not pet problem: how to get off this list?  like the person earlier this week, i

   've been trying everything and nothing seems to work  help!

denise

gluckd@acfcluster.nyu.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Jun 1994 19:31:57 -0300

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Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Lester Blanchard <lesterb@ZILKER.NET>

Subject:      Re: Pennyroyal



>I know that the essential oil of pennyroyal works as an insect repellent

>because I use it in a formula with citronella and other oils that really

>keeps away the bugs. There have been some recent discussions about the

>plant itself on the list -- someone said that the plant could irritate an

>animal's skin.  Sorry, i don't remember who wrote that, but I appreciated

>the information.  The Latin name is mentha pulegium -- it is also an

>abortifacient, and should not be used by pregnant women under any

>circumstances.

>Let me know if you want the herbal insect repellent "recipe".

>      Lyn



I would like the recipe your recipe, too, Lyn.  I have a book by Connie

Moore, the Austin herb lady--she owns The Herb Bar; it's title is Natural

Insect Repellents for Pets, People & Plants.  It's helpful.  You can get it

from The Herb Bar, 200 West Mary, Austin, TX  78704; it's $6.95.



Thanks in advance.  How was your birthday, Lyn?



Kathy B.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 18 Jun 1994 14:11:57 -0300

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Lester Blanchard <lesterb@ZILKER.NET>

Subject:      Re: Aphids, fleas, now termites



>This is no longer 'herb specific', but is still of interest.

>

>> Lived most of my life in Cruz and never used anything but the electronic

>> degausser. It works.

>

>Is that like the electromagnet I bought at Radio Shack to bulk-erase

>cassette tapes?  And how do you do this?  Crawl along the underneath of

>the house and zap every inch of wood for xxx seconds?

>

>Which then brings up the possible health hazards of using such a device,

>because the user is probably in longer contact than the soon-to-die bugs.

>Comments?

>

>Jack vL



I just received an e-mail from the PestCon listserv which addresses

beneficial nematodes.  The mail mentions using these nematodes (one is a

Steinernema species that is called "Guardian" and the other is a

Heterorhabditis species)

as a defense against termintes.  The article is somewhat lengthy--however,

I would be very happy to post it on this list for everyone, or anyone is

welcome to contact me directly for the information.



Kathy B.

lesterb@zilker.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 19 Jun 1994 07:36:13 CDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Annette Longsdon <ALONGSD@SIUEMUS.BITNET>

Subject:      Re[2]: Aphids, fleas, now termites

In-Reply-To:  In reply to your message of SAT 18 JUN 1994 06:11:57 CDT



Kathy,

Could you send me the article Please?

Annette



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 19 Jun 1994 20:02:43 -0400

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From:         Gaby Henderson <ghenders@EMR.CA>

Subject:      Re: ::sigh:: Why did you ask, then?

In-Reply-To:  <9406180654.AA28998@emr1.emr.ca> from "Siobhan Perricone" at Jun

              15, 94 10:18:28 am



Hi - Gabi here.  I have just read the info on this list, especially about

the fact that nasal sprays damage the sinus tissues.  Since I am prone to

sinus congestion and 3-5 day headaches along with this congestion, I wonder

if anyone has any natural alternatives for me to use. I always somehow end

up going to the doctor and getting a prescription for antibiotics in order

to clear up this problem and to become headache free.  I was told by my

family physician that if a sinus infection is not treated (with antibiotics)

it can lead to an infection of the brain tissue, or at least move upward

from the sinuses.  This has me concerned, and along with the constant pain I

find that I am not able to focus my attention on my regular activities.  If

anyone out there has any suggestions, I would really appreciate hearing

them....Tks/Gabi



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 19 Jun 1994 08:26:30 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.RAIN.COM>

Subject:      Re: Aphids, fleas, now termites

In-Reply-To:  <m0qFFEs-0003L3C@pacifier.com>



> I just received an e-mail from the PestCon listserv which addresses

> beneficial nematodes.  The mail mentions using these nematodes (one is a

> Steinernema species that is called "Guardian" and the other is a

> Heterorhabditis species)

> as a defense against termintes.  The article is somewhat lengthy--however,

> I would be very happy to post it on this list for everyone, or anyone is

> welcome to contact me directly for the information.

>

> Kathy B.

> lesterb@zilker.net



Kathy, I'd like to see it.  TIA / Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 20 Jun 1994 13:37:44 +0000

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Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Marisa Alves Nogueira <marisa@IQM.UNICAMP.BR>

Subject:      Virola oleifera



  Dear Netters,

     I would like to know about popular use of Virola oleifera. Is there

anybody to help me ?

                    Many thanks, Marisa

My E- mail is: Marisa@iqm.Unicamp.br



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 20 Jun 1994 11:00:57 -0400

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From:         Lynda Lyons <Lynda_Lyons@NYNET.NYBE.NORTH-YORK.ON.CA>

Organization: North York Board of Education

Subject:      Fwd: Herbal books



For GVOTEAU: Here are my favourite herb reference books>

Mills, Simon. Out of the earth (already mentioned.)



Nissim, Rina. Natural healing in gynecology : a manual for women.

                       Pandora/Methuen, 1986. ( an English translation of the

French

                       Mamamelis, 1984)



Weed, Susun S. Healing wise : wise woman herbal. Woodstock, NY, Ash Tree

                          1989.  Deals with models of healing and burdock,

chickweed,

                         dandelion, nettle, oatsraw, seaweed and violets.



                         Wise woman herbal for the childbearing year



                         Wise woman herbal for the menopausal years.



Hoffman, David.  The new holistic herbal, 2nd ed., Element Inc., 1986



For growing herbs:

Weiss, Gaea and Shandor.  Growing and using the helaing herbs, Rodale, 1985



Lima, Patrick. The Harrowsmith illustrated book of herbs. Camden House,

                          1986. Beautifully illustrated and useful for

northern

                         gardeners.



I agree with Jonathan Treasure, pick out some you want to try and grow them,

get to know them, and pay attention to your own reactions to them.



All the best,

Lynda Lyons



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 20 Jun 1994 21:13:31 EDT

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From:         David_Merrill@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Re: Insect repellent



Yes, please, oh PLEEEEEZ post the formula for the pennyroyal

citronella etc. insect repellent. Where I grew up in eastern

Oregon, mosquitoes only came out in the evenings during a

relatively short period in midsummer. But here in Colorado, they

move in about the time we open the windows, and they're at their

gruesome, uncomfortable business day in and day out for most of

the summer. I'm bugged by the idea of using DEET-based products,

but crushing herb leaves on my sleeves and socks hasn't done

anything to keep the varmints at bay.



d:=)}===>

David_Merrill@iwp.ccmail.compuserve.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 07:59:34 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Kelly Martin <kelly@POVERTY.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>

Subject:      EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)

In-Reply-To:  Jack van Luik's message of Fri, 17 Jun 1994 08:38:36 -0700



"Jack" == Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.RAIN.COM> writes:



Jack> Which then brings up the possible health hazards of using such a

Jack> device, because the user is probably in longer contact than the

Jack> soon-to-die bugs.  Comments?



i had a professor once who was exposed to a 22,000 gauss field for

nearly a minute once with no evident effect (he crawled into an

energized linear accelerator to make an adjustment because it would

have taken three hours to deenergize it, break it down, make the

adjustment, and reenergize it).  the EM field strengths commonly raved

about are typically measured in milligauss, or 6 orders of magnitude

less than what this professor was exposed to.



this person puts no stock at all into the hysteria regarding EM

fields.  power-line toxicity is caused by the willful (and, alas,

legal) use of carcinogenic herbicides by power companies; there is no

need to seek other explanation.



love,



k.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 08:54:41 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Virola oleifera

In-Reply-To:  <9406201806.AA09564@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "Marisa Alves Nogueira"

              at Jun 20, 94 01:37:44 pm



>

>   Dear Netters,

>      I would like to know about popular use of Virola oleifera. Is there

> anybody to help me ?

>                     Many thanks, Marisa

> My E- mail is: Marisa@iqm.Unicamp.br

>

Marisa-

I can't find the species you mention, but did find referecnes to four

other Virola species. All are native to S. America. It seems to be a

source of oil (as the name V. oleifera implies especially). Other species

are used as the source of narcotic snuff and one, V. macrocarpa, has a

large fruit that it edible for birds (but no comment on whether or not

it's ok for humans to eat). THat's all I could find. Would be interested

to see what others may know.

--



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 06:30:00 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.RAIN.COM>

Subject:      Re: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)

In-Reply-To:  <9406211259.AA00b4d@poverty.bloomington.in.us>



> Jack> Which then brings up the possible health hazards of using such a

> Jack> device, because the user is probably in longer contact than the

> Jack> soon-to-die bugs.  Comments?

>

> i had a professor once who was exposed to a 22,000 gauss field for

> nearly a minute once with no evident effect (he crawled into an

> energized linear accelerator to make an adjustment because it would

>

> this person puts no stock at all into the hysteria regarding EM

> fields.  power-line toxicity is caused by the willful (and, alas,

> legal) use of carcinogenic herbicides by power companies; there is no

> need to seek other explanation.

>

> love,

>

> k.



Hi Kelly-



"this person" being you, or the prof?  Hadn't thought about the herbicide

factor.  I have a satelite picture of this area, and powerline paths are

as visible as freeways.



I'm still very queasy about the EMR thing.  My understanding is that

prolonged exposure to low rates is what causes problems.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:33:15 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Merle Finch <merle@UNX.SAS.COM>

Subject:      Re: EM fields (was: Aphids,etc.)



 > > Jack> Which then brings up the possible health hazards of using such a

 > > Jack> device, because the user is probably in longer contact than the

 > > Jack> soon-to-die bugs.  Comments?

 > >

 > > i had a professor once who was exposed to a 22,000 gauss field for

 > > nearly a minute once with no evident effect (he crawled into an

 > > energized linear accelerator to make an adjustment because it would

 > >

 > > this person puts no stock at all into the hysteria regarding EM

 > > fields.  power-line toxicity is caused by the willful (and, alas,

 > > legal) use of carcinogenic herbicides by power companies; there is no

 > > need to seek other explanation.

 > >

 > > love,

 > >

 > > k.

 >

 >

 > Hi Kelly-

 >

 > "this person" being you, or the prof?  Hadn't thought about the herbicide

 > factor.  I have a satelite picture of this area, and powerline paths are

 > as visible as freeways.

 >

 > I'm still very queasy about the EMR thing.  My understanding is that

 > prolonged exposure to low rates is what causes problems.

 >



 The last article I read about EM fields (Science or some such magazine,

 several years ago) mentioned that cows that grazed near powerlines had

 a reduced milk supply and that plants that grew near them were stunted.

 This would fall in line with Jack's understanding that prolonged exposure

 is the key.  Of course, it also falls in line with the prof's opinion

 that herbicides are the cause.



--

Merle Finch  merle@sas.com  SAS Institute Inc,

        SAS Campus Dr, Cary NC USA 27513-2414.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 11:24:37 EDT

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Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Olga Epelboim <OE2@NIHCU.BITNET>

Subject:      BLOOD PRESSURE



my mother-in-low takes high blood pressure medicine, but

since it doesn't help much, her doctor wants her to double

this medicine. can anybody advice, what herb or anything

more natural can be added to the medicine to reduce blood

pressure? i can't encourage her to drop this medicine, because

she had bypass surgery in 1990, but i don't want her to

increase the amount of it. just eating garlic does not

help her. i am going to buy for her garlic supplement (kyolic?

garlicin? garliq?). what else? thank you in advance.



------------------------------------------------------------

Olga Epelboim                            NIH Computer Center

oe2@cu.nih.gov (Internet)                OE2@NIHCU (BITNET)

Phone: 301-402-1256 (work)

------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 09:43:03 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Kelly Martin <kelly@POVERTY.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>

Subject:      EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)

In-Reply-To:  Jack van Luik's message of Tue,

              21 Jun 1994 06:30:00 -0700 (PDT)

              <Pine.3.89.9406210657.A8047-0100000@pacifier.rain.com>



"Jack" == Jack van Luik <jackv@pacifier.rain.com> writes:



Jack> "this person" being you, or the prof?



me, sorry.  although he doesn't put any stock in it either.  he's

spent most of his adult life near (and occasionally in) EMF generators

of varying size with no noticable ill effects.



Jack> Hadn't thought about the herbicide factor.



yup.  you see, power companies have been stockpiling herbicides since

the 40s, and many (most?) of them have on hand stocks of herbicides

that are now illegal; however, the laws were written to grandfather

them so they could continue to use their illegal and unsafe herbicides

until they deplete their stocks.



Jack> I have a satelite picture of this area, and powerline paths are

Jack> as visible as freeways.



i've never understood why they need to defoliate the entire region.  i

understand that you don't want trees growing into the damn things, but

that doesn't justify using high-potency broad-spectrum herbicides.



Jack> I'm still very queasy about the EMR thing.  My understanding is

Jack> that prolonged exposure to low rates is what causes problems.



then study power line workers.  these guys are in near-constant

exposure to them.



i'm going to stand by occam's razor.  i see no reason to attribute

something to low-strength EMFs with no understood mechanism of

causality when the herbicide theory is consistent with the facts and

has a previously understood causative mechanism.  until i am presented

with facts that disprove the herbicide theory i'm not going to embrace

the EMF theory, especially with a sizable amount of evidence that both

low and high strength EMFs do not appear to be dangerous.



love,



k.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:27:24 MST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         shirley thompson <DUSTHOMP@IDBSU.BITNET>

Subject:      information



Lyn, would you please send me the herbal insect repellent 'recipe'.



Kathy, what is the internet address for "pestcon listserv"



Thanks



 Shirley Thompson      User Service Center      Boise State University

                    Dusthomp@Idbsu.Idbsu.Edu                            du

Here's to it and to it again, if you don't do it, when you get to it,

you may never get to it to do it again. . .



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 13:14:07 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         David_Merrill@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Re: Virola oleifera



On Mon, 20 Jun 1994, Marisa Alves Nogueira

<marisa@IQM.UNICAMP.BR> wrote:



>Dear Netters,

>I would like to know about popular use of Virola oleifera. Is

>there anybody to help me ?



The only reference I can find to ANY species of _Virola_ names

_V. surinamensis_ (Myristicaceae), a native of the tropical

western hemisphere whose seeds are the source of an edible fat.

This certainly isn't enough information to make ME comfortable

ingesting it, but I thought I'd pass it along to add to whatever

may come from elsewhere.



d:=)}===>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 12:33:04 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Lyn Belisle <belisle@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Insect Repellent RCP

In-Reply-To:  <199406211636.LAA06541@Paula-Formby.tenet.edu>



On Tue, 21 Jun 1994, shirley thompson wrote:



> Lyn, would you please send me the herbal insect repellent 'recipe'.

>

Shirley,

I'm going to repost this to the list since I've had a few more requests,

plus there is a very good article in the new (July/August) Natural Health

Mgazine on natural bug repellents, including a formula from Debra Nuzzi

which includes the oils I suggest plus lavender and tea tree.  She also

agrees that you can mix the essential oils either in an oil base (such as

olive oil) or in vodka, which I prefer, because it evaporates and just

leaves the essential oils on your skin.  *Anyway*  Here's the formula:



Equal parts of the following essential oils (available at health food stores)



Geranium (rose)

Lemongrass

Citronella

Pennyroyal



A good proportion is 20 drops of each oil in 2-3 ounces of the carrier base.

Dilute more if you have sensitive skin.



BTW, are there any more aromatherapists on the list -- I'm sure

there must be.  I am giving a workshop in a few months and would like

some input and information exchange.  Thanks!



             Lyn



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 10:42:18 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Janeira St. Clare" <jstclare@CCLINK.FHCRC.ORG>

Subject:      BLOOD PRESSURE



          Hi!



          I've used Kyolic for years with great success in preventing

          getting all the colds and flus prevalent at my work and my

          kids' schools.  I don't have a problem with high blood

          pressure, though.



          However, my mom is suffering from rheumatiod arthritis, low

          iron, and bad menopausal symtoms.  I know a lot about herbs

          for skin rashes, colds, and other minor problems, but never

          really paid attention to the bigger stuff.  So if anyone has

          any advice, I'd appreciate it.



          Have fun!  -  Janeira  (jstclare@cclink.fhcrc.org)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 12:12:31 MDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jack Barclay <ASD003@NMSUVM1.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)

In-Reply-To:  Message of Tue,

              21 Jun 1994 09:43:03 EST from <kelly@POVERTY.BLOOMINGTON.IN.US>



On Tue, 21 Jun 1994 09:43:03 EST Kelly Martin said:

>

>i'm going to stand by occam's razor.  i see no reason to attribute

>something to low-strength EMFs with no understood mechanism of

>causality when the herbicide theory is consistent with the facts and

>has a previously understood causative mechanism.  until i am presented

>with facts that disprove the herbicide theory i'm not going to embrace

>the EMF theory, especially with a sizable amount of evidence that both

>low and high strength EMFs do not appear to be dangerous.

>

That's what Marie Curie said.  When she found out otherwise, it was too late.

There are lots of other examples.  That's what they used to say about

cigarettes, thalidamide, agent orange, x-rays.  The graveyards are full of

people who have slit their throats with Occam's razor.

Blessings,

Jack

>love,

>

>k.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 14:51:30 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         amirzoev@KEAN.UCS.MUN.CA

Subject:      BLOOD PRESSURE



OE2@NIHCU.BITNET (Olga Epelboim) writes:



>my mother-in-low takes high blood pressure medicine, but

>since it doesn't help much, her doctor wants her to double

>this medicine. can anybody advice, what herb or anything

>more natural can be added to the medicine to reduce blood

>pressure? i can't encourage her to drop this medicine, because

>she had bypass surgery in 1990, but i don't want her to

>increase the amount of it. just eating garlic does not

>help her. i am going to buy for her garlic supplement (kyolic?

>garlicin? garliq?). what else? thank you in advance.

  IMHO, use of medicine to lower blood pressure in many cases

results in new problems => will require to shift to stronger

medicineor giher dose

 (like any drug addiction which causes disfunction).

To prevent deterioration of situation adequate working model

of situation is needed (sorry for banal comments, but I strongly

suspect that ordinary north-american family doctor is not able

to suggest you any such model).  You have to develop such model

by yourself before to do something.

   What I would try if I were you: heather flowers, beat roots,

snowball tree fruits, and some widely used in  Russia diuretic

herbs (Folium uva ursi (on Latin) , red bilberry  leaves (Folium

vitis idaevi))



Hope it helps



       Andrew

who is not a doctor but spent more then 10 years watching how

and what these human beings are doing...



------------------------------------------------------------

>Olga Epelboim                            NIH Computer Center

>oe2@cu.nih.gov (Internet)                OE2@NIHCU (BITNET)

>Phone: 301-402-1256 (work)

------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 15:08:14 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jeff Welch <WELCH@NIEHSE.BITNET>

Subject:      Pinguicula/Butterwort



Hi Folks,



I have been growing several _Pinguilcula_ for their novelty

as carnivorous plants, but have become aware of some uses

in dairy fermentation and treatment of topical irritation.

If people could point me towards some additional uses or

references for the above, I would appreciate it.  For example,

I know it is collected by Zapotec herbal healers, but I don't

know what for.  Thanks!



Jeff

welch@niehs.nih.gov



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 14:52:05 -0600

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "MRGATE::\"A1::CLOWRY\""@UTMEM.UTMEM.EDU

Subject:      Re: BLOOD PRESSURE



From:   NAME: Claire Lowry

        FUNC: News Bureau

        TEL: 5544/4956                        <CLOWRY AT A1 AT UTMEM>

To:     NAME: IN%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET" <IN%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET"@MRGATE@UTMEM>



Olga -- I've been a lurker, and this is my first attempt to join the

discussion.  I'm responding from my e-mail, so I have no idea who all will get

this message -- but you might have your mom-in-law try celery.  A couple or

three stalks a day.  She might experiment with juicing the celery also.

There's a very tiny bit of research showing regulation of blood pressure in

rats -- if I can locate it, I will give you details.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 17:14:54 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         David_Merrill@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Re: Yerba santa



Yerba santa is _Eriodictyon californicum_, also known as mountain

balm and various other obscure names. As of 1930 it was a part of

the official US pharmacopoeia (don't know how much later than

that), and as a native of California and northern Mexico, it was

popular among native tribes of that area. According to Daniel

Moerman, they used it as an adjunct in many mixtures, but as a

simple its use was mostly for all kinds of lung ailments. _E.

angustifolium_ was commonly substituted; _E. crassifolium_ and _E.

tomentosum_ only rarely.



I'm going to get on my soapbox now and warn you against asking

questions such as "What kind of constituents are responsible for

its action?" My initial response to that question is three other

questions: What will you do with the answer if you get one? Who

REALLY knows the answer? Is the answer the same for everybody?



In their haste to extract, purify, and patent the Magic Bullet,

pharmaceutical companies tend to oversimplify the action of plant

medicines. How else can they make money? But if we could ignore

economic issues and be sensible, I think a more educational

question would be, "Which of the plant's constituents DOES NOT

contribute to its observed effects?" Answering this question with

certainty would, IMHO, necessitate a completely new approach to

phytomedical research. Sad to say, however, such an approach

isn't likely to be economically feasible. I'm afraid we'd be

forced to conclude that extraction, purification, and the

resulting ownership and marketing are actually deceptive,

socially devastating practices that are contrary to the interests

of public physical and mental health.



Use the whole, living plant. Within it is an inscrutable balance

of dynamic interactions which, together, are clearly compatible

with life. If we remove from the plant those constituents which

we believe are not part of the healing power of the plant, will

the plant still live? I think not, and I choose to take the

cosmic hint.



d:=)}===>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Jun 1994 01:24:00 +0200

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         J-p COVENT <J-P.COVENT@RTT.RTT.BE>

Subject:      Re: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)



In a UK magazine I read an article about the effects of powerlines to the envirr

onment.The writer has measured the radioactivityleve

ls and they were

significantly higher where powerlines passed than the natural level in the

region.

The conclusion was that the powerlines act as a concentrator of natural

radioactivity.



JP



English is my third language. Covent JP Belgium  Internet: covent.rtt.rtt.be



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Jun 1994 16:28:15 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Cindy Tobias <CLTOBIAS@ARIZVMS.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: HERB Digest - 19 Jun 1994 to 20 Jun 1994



I would like to see the information about nematodes for termite control.  It

tried sending a private Email message but it was returned.



Thanks, Cindy

cltobias@ccit.arizona.EDU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Jun 1994 05:11:48 +0200

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Curt Wilson <ST9996@SIUCVMB.BITNET>

Subject:      Wood Betony Growting



Hi - I am wondering if anyone knows where I can pick up some wood betony

seeds? I use wood betony daily and would like to grow it in my organic

garden. Does anyone have any ideas? Please send mail directly as I do

not subscribe to this list (too much mail).



Peace,

Lotus Flower

HOLISTIC listowner

HOLISTIC@SIUCVMB



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Jun 1994 02:26:05 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Fran E. Rich" <frich@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Herb Resource Guide



To those who have asked for info on the Resource Guide our group did,

please bear with me - I'm currently a bit distracted with other things.

I'm saving your messages and will check on the number of copies

available, etc.



Thanks

Fran



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Jun 1994 11:12:34 LCL

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@TREARN.BITNET>

Subject:      Unsubscribe instructions



Due to recent flurry of UNSUB requests, I'd like to remind our readers that

you need to send an UNSUB HERB  command to listserv@vm3090.ege.edu.tr

if you wish to be removed from the list.  Regards, -turgut



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:54:00 CDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Barry Caplin <caplin@NAG.COM>

Subject:      Re: Essiac again



Hi All,

   Just another question about Essiac.  At least 2 people here noted that

it is not advisable to drink Essiac as a preventative.  I'm not sure

I understand why.  I know that in at least 2 articles I've read on

Caisse, it said she drank it every day and thought of it as curative

and preventative.  Could someone explain why we shouldn't all be drinking

this (particularly those of us with a family history of cancer)?



   Thanks,

   Barry



Barry Caplin                  Internet: bc@nag.com

Numerical Algorithms Group



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:19:00 CDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Barry Caplin <caplin@NAG.COM>

Subject:      a tea question



Hi,

   What exactly is oolong tea and how does it differ from green tea?  I've

always enjoyed oolong, but I am now trying to drink more green tea because

it's good for you.  I've tried a few different types but they're all

kind of bitter.  I just got some genmai cha (green tea with roasted brown

rice) that tastes better.  I also have a combination oolong, jasmine, and

green tea that is really good.  But I do want the benefits of the green

tea... so that leads back to the original question... is oolong a green tea?



   Thanks,

   Barry



Barry Caplin                  Internet: bc@nag.com

Numerical Algorithms Group



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Jun 1994 15:04:00 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Lesley Gibbs <GIBBS@MIDD.CC.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>

Subject:      Re: a tea question



these are the variations of "green tea my friend was telling

us about the other day (if I understood him correctly):

Sencha: is the green leaves untreated, just rolled and dried

Kukicha: is the twig part of the tea plant

Bancha(?): is the leaves, but they are roasted and dried.

We love sencha.  The genmai cha you mentioned is also very good

in my opinion.  But having now been lucky enough to have

had the opportunity to try sencha sent to us from a Zen

monk in Japan, we are hooked ;-).  And we will soon be running out

of it, so if anyone know of a good source (preferably organic)

for Sencha green tea I would love to hear about it.

L

ps the green tea we have from japan is not bitter at all,

very smooth and somewhat sweet and nutty at the sametime.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Jun 1994 11:02:18 MDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jack Barclay <ASD003@NMSUVM1.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: a tea question

In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:19:00 CDT from <caplin@NAG.COM>



On Wed, 22 Jun 1994 10:19:00 CDT Barry Caplin said:

>Hi,

>   What exactly is oolong tea and how does it differ from green tea?  I've



Barry, Oolong tea is a semi-fermented tea from Formosa and is half way

between black and green tea.



The bitterness in green tea comes from the tannin that isn't changed

in the fermentation process.  Bancha is a nice green tea and a very nice

green tea is Keemum Congou, mild delicate flowery taste and easily digested.

Gunpowder tea is a green tea.



>always enjoyed oolong, but I am now trying to drink more green tea because

>it's good for you.  I've tried a few different types but they're all

>kind of bitter.  I just got some genmai cha (green tea with roasted brown

>rice) that tastes better.  I also have a combination oolong, jasmine, and

>green tea that is really good.  But I do want the benefits of the green

>tea... so that leads back to the original question... is oolong a green tea?



Green tea is reported to be quite beneficial to one's health and has been

reported to retard cancer growth.



Blessings,

Jack

>

>   Thanks,

>   Barry

>

>Barry Caplin                  Internet: bc@nag.com

>Numerical Algorithms Group



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Jun 1994 14:09:53 LCL

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Departamento de Farmacia <farm@UNPBIB.EDU.AR>

Subject:      unsuscribe farm



Please DESUSCRIBE farm@unpata.edu.ar of this list. We won't receive

it any more. It will be suscribed for other group next month when

they orgineza.

PLEASE DESUSCRIBE farm. Many thanks



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:49:13 PST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "FRED W. BACH" <music@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA>

Subject:      Re: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)



>From:  MX%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET" 21-JUN-1994 16:46:59.99

>To:    MX%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET"

>Subj:  Re: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)

>To: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

>

>In a UK magazine I read an article about the effects of powerlines to the envir

r

> onment.The writer has measured the radioactivityleve

>ls and they were

>significantly higher where powerlines passed than the natural level in the

>region.

>The conclusion was that the powerlines act as a concentrator of natural

>radioactivity.

>

>JP

>

>English is my third language. Covent JP Belgium  Internet: covent.rtt.rtt.be



   Yeah?  What radioactive particles or isotopes are you talking about?

 What are the anomalous concentrations?  Could it be from another source

 such as construction materials or path-clearing materials?



   The power 'effect' is RUBBISH.  I suppose somebody made some measurements,

 but nothing involved with power lines themselves can *create* radioactivity.

 At the frequency of the power line and its harmonics, even at the peak

 voltage of the power lines, there is not enough voltage to cause ANY

 NUCLEAR REACTIONS!  Nor do power lines 'attract' radioactivity.



   It takes an accelerator capable of exciting particles to 6 million

 electron-volts to cause a reaction in/with the simplest nucleus (with

 the notable exception of silver, which can be very temporarily excited

 by something around 1.68 million electron-volts).  The only way you are

 going to get this kind of acceleration near a power line is if you

 could do a cyclotron trick and get the particles to go around and around

 in a precise magnetic field and precisely timed to be accelerated to

 sufficient energies to excite nucleii.  This doesn't happen around

 power lines.  Heck, it is hard enough to make it happen here at

 TRIUMF where that is our stock and trade.



   One interesting exception might be Nature itself.  If you could get

 a discharge from more than 6 million volts, where the electrons and

 possible ionized hydrogen (i.e., naked protons) could see the whole

 accelerating voltage's field and be accelerated all the way, then

 maybe you could *cause* radioactivity this way.  The only natural

 source I can imagine is lightening.  I don't believe that anyone has

 ever measured any radioactive remnants due to lightening, however.



   Now then, if the person doing the initial report mentioned above

 measured X-rays, well, then, of course it is possible, even expected,

 that there would be some tiny amount of X-rays created by discharges

 in the vicinity of high-voltage discharges.  This is how the old X-ray

 tubes worked.  These X-rays CANNOT produce radioactivity.  But I would

 expect X-rays produced by lightening discharges to be significant.

 I don't know if these have ever been measured, however.



   So, even if you don't speak English very well, and for those of you

 who DO speak it well,



          PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE "RADIATION" WITH "RADIOACTIVITY".



 They are NOT the same thing, and, in most cases, are NOT EVEN RELATED.

 For example, my body radiates heat.  Is that due to radioactivity or is

 it because I am radioactive?  Of course not!  It is due to chemistry.



   All questions entertained.  At this lab, we have a lot of expertise in

 the fields of radiation and radioactivty and accelerators and high voltage

 and how these things relate to the environment, because we _need_ to know.



 Fred W. Bach                              |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca

 Co-ordinator, Operations group            |

 TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  HEPnet  : ERICH::MUSIC

 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/333

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 Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

  Damien says " If you don't STAND for SOMETHING, you'll FALL for ANYTHING "

 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.

 They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 18:38:57 +0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Matti Narkia <NARKIA@NTCCLU.NTC.NOKIA.COM>

Subject:      Re: BLOOD PRESSURE



> my mother-in-low takes high blood pressure medicine, but

> since it doesn't help much, her doctor wants her to double

> this medicine. can anybody advice, what herb or anything

> more natural can be added to the medicine to reduce blood

> pressure? i can't encourage her to drop this medicine, because

> she had bypass surgery in 1990, but i don't want her to

> increase the amount of it. just eating garlic does not

> help her. i am going to buy for her garlic supplement (kyolic?

> garlicin? garliq?). what else? thank you in advance.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------

> Olga Epelboim                            NIH Computer Center

> oe2@cu.nih.gov (Internet)                OE2@NIHCU (BITNET)

> Phone: 301-402-1256 (work)

> ------------------------------------------------------------



I posted this in two parts yesterday and day before ysterday, but it

didn't come through (I have repro option on so I'd seen it), so I'm

trying again:



I'm not a doctor, but I had slightly elevated blood pressure some years

ago, which now has been normalized. Here some facts collected from

various references:



- I'm sure everybody knows that excess sodium is by far the biggest

  culprit for the elevated blood pressure. Therefore cut out all

  the salt and sodium. In practice this means no processed food

  including no ready made foods, no tin food, no salad dressing,

  no tomato sauce, no bread, no biscuits, no cake etc... If possible,

  it would be best to prepare all the food at home from good, fresh raw

  materials without using salt or other stuff containing sodium.



- It is important to avoid alcohol. Alcohol is one of the major causes

  of elevated blood pressure.



- For smokers: Smoking is harmful because it narrows blood vessels,

  quitting is a must.



- Getting rid of possible overweight helps to reduce elevated bp.



- Vitamin Choline will lower elevated bp, if taken daily. Results

  can be expected in about three weeks. If discontinued, blood pressure may

  raise again. Lecithin and fish have very high choline contents.



- Magnesium and potassium supplements are must. Have to watch potassium though,

  too much could be harmful. I think amounts up to 1g/day should be safe,

  but better start with less, say 500mg or so, although I've seen sometimes

  recommended even several grams of potassium chloride/day for high bp.

  Magnesium usually reduces the blood pressure and potassium helps in

  driving the excessive sodium out of the system and thus eventually causes

  bp to go down. Magnesium is also good for the heart muscle (and for all

  the other muscles, too).



- Vitamin B6 may lower elevated blood pressure, if person is deficient of

  this vitamin. If magnesium is taken, 20-50 mg vitamin B6 is also

  recommended and should to be taken together with magnesium.



- Vitamin Pantothenic acid could help, especially if high bp is stress

  related.



- Regular moderate exercise: walking, slow jogging will lower elevated bp.



- Relaxation exercises (yoga, transcendental meditation) may help.



- Diet consisting mainly vegetables and fish. Cod liver oil or other fish

  oils could help.



- Eating fatty fish (mackerel, salmon, herring,...) 3-4 ounces daily

  will lower elevated blood pressure. If discontinued, blood pressure may

  raise again.



- Eating brown rice regularly may help.



- Selenium, vitamins A,E,C and beta-carotene would to protect heart

  and blood vessels.



- Ubiquinone (coenzyme Q10) is good for a tired heart.



- Garlic is good, but probably not sufficient alone.



- Mistletoe extracts (Iscador, Helixor, Vysorel) are used to reduce blood

  pressure. They have to be given by injection, because otherwise effective

  substances are destroyed by stomach acids. They don't have any side effects,

  but they are prescription medicines and not available in every country.



These measures do work, unless high bp has a specific organic reason like

kidney disease, but this is very rare. But they do take some time, week and

months, to produce the required effect, so patience is important.



Hope this helps,



Matti



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:00:22 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.RAIN.COM>

Subject:      Re: a tea question

In-Reply-To:  <m0qGVPX-0002C2C@pacifier.com>



> always enjoyed oolong, but I am now trying to drink more green tea because

> it's good for you.  I've tried a few different types but they're all



I've seen references to green tea that hint that it is "good for you",

but am not sure if that is because it replaces the fermented type of

black teas (which are "not good for you") or if there are actually

positive things in green tea.



Any real evidence?



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 18:19:02 +0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         Matti Narkia <NARKIA@NTCCLU.NTC.NOKIA.COM>

Subject:      Re: BLOOD PRESSURE



> my mother-in-low takes high blood pressure medicine, but

> since it doesn't help much, her doctor wants her to double

> this medicine. can anybody advice, what herb or anything

> more natural can be added to the medicine to reduce blood

> pressure? i can't encourage her to drop this medicine, because

> she had bypass surgery in 1990, but i don't want her to

> increase the amount of it. just eating garlic does not

> help her. i am going to buy for her garlic supplement (kyolic?

> garlicin? garliq?). what else? thank you in advance.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------

> Olga Epelboim                            NIH Computer Center

> oe2@cu.nih.gov (Internet)                OE2@NIHCU (BITNET)

> Phone: 301-402-1256 (work)

> ------------------------------------------------------------



I posted this in two parts yesterday and day before ysterday, but it

didn't come through (I have repro option on, so I'd seen it), so I'm

trying again:



I'm not a doctor, but I had slightly elevated blood pressure some years

ago, which now has been normalized. Here some facts collected from

various references:



- I'm sure everybody knows that excess sodium is by far the biggest

  culprit for the elevated blood pressure. Therefore cut out all

  salt and other sodium. In practice this means no processed food

  including no ready made foods, no tin food, no salad dressing,

  no tomato sauce, no bread, no biscuits, no cake etc... If possible,

  it would be best to prepare all the food at home from good, fresh raw

  materials without using salt or other stuff containing sodium.



- It is important to avoid alcohol. Alcohol is one of the major causes

  of elevated blood pressure.



- For smokers: Smoking is harmful because it narrows blood vessels,

  quitting is a must.



- Getting rid of possible overweight helps to reduce elevated bp.



- Vitamin Choline will lower elevated bp, if taken daily. Results

  can be expected in about three weeks. If discontinued, blood pressure may

  raise again. Lecithin and fish have very high choline contents.



- Magnesium and potassium supplements are must. Have to watch potassium though,

  too much could be harmful. I think amounts up to 1g/day should be safe,

  but better start with less, say 500mg or so, although I've seen sometimes

  recommended even several grams of potassium chloride/day for high bp.

  Magnesium usually reduces the blood pressure and potassium helps in

  driving the excessive sodium out of the system and thus eventually causes

  bp to go down. Magnesium is also good for the heart muscle (and for all

  the other muscles, too).



- Vitamin B6 may lower elevated blood pressure, if person is deficient of

  this vitamin. If magnesium is taken, 20-50 mg vitamin B6 is also

  recommended and should to be taken together with magnesium.



- Vitamin Pantothenic acid could help, especially if high bp is stress

  related.



- Regular moderate exercise like walking, slow jogging, will lower

  high bp.



- Relaxation exercises (yoga, transcendental meditation) may help.



- Diet consisting mainly vegetables and fish. Cod liver oil or other fish

  oils could help.



- Eating fatty fish (mackerel, salmon, herring,...) 3-4 ounces daily

  will lower elevated blood pressure. If discontinued, blood pressure may

  raise again.



- Eating brown rice regularly may help.



- Selenium, vitamins A,E,C and beta-carotene would to protect heart

  and blood vessels.



- Ubiquinone (coenzyme Q10) is good for a tired heart.



- Garlic is good, but probably not sufficient alone.



- Mistletoe extracts (Iscador, Helixor, Vysorel) are used to reduce blood

  pressure. They have to be given by injection, because otherwise effective

  substances are destroyed by stomach acids. They don't have any side effects,

  but they are prescription medicines and not available in every country.



These measures do work, unless high bp has a specific organic reason like

kidney disease, but this is very rare. But they do take some time, weeks and

months, to produce the required effect, so patience is important.



Hope this helps,



Matti

--

Matti Narkia          !  Internet:   matti.narkia@ntc.nokia.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 19:17:38 +0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Matti Narkia <NARKIA@NTCCLU.NTC.NOKIA.COM>

Subject:      Re: Tea question



>I've seen references to green tea that hint that it is "good for you",

>but am not sure if that is because it replaces the fermented type of

>black teas (which are "not good for you") or if there are actually

>positive things in green tea.

>

>Any real evidence?

>

>Jack vL



Green tea contains large amount of strongest currently known antioxidant,

the name of which I can never remember. It is mentioned for example in

Ralph Moss's book "Cancer Therapy". Black tea has same antioxidant, but

much less of it, may be it's destroyed in the fermentation process or

something. According to many sources even black tea is now considered

"good for you", drinking regularly black tea seems to considerably lower

risk of coronary  disease, for example. Black tea has also a lot of

manganese, an important antioxidant mineral.



Matti



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 15:25:49 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Susan Christie <SCHRIST@NERVM.NERDC.UFL.EDU>

Subject:      Ricinus/Higuerata



Could anyone tell me if they have ever heard of ricinus (latin name)

or Higuerata (spelling might be slightly off, it is the Spanish name)

for an herb?  I know nothing about it, but I would like to find out

the "American" name, and proper plant identification name, and its

properties, if possible.  Thanks.



Susan Christie

International Student and Scholar Services

Office of International Studies and Programs

123 TIGERT HALL                     TELEPHONE:(904)392-9087/FAX392-5575

UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA               BITNET:   SCHRIST@NERVM

GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA 32611          INTERNET: SCHRIST@UFNET.MAIL.UFL.EDU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 15:41:39 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jeff Welch <WELCH@NIEHSE.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Ricinus/Higuerata



Hi Susan,



I think _Ricinus_ is the genus name for castor bean plants.

They are very pretty foliage plants (outdoor) and are the

source of ricin, one of the most toxic substances around.

Be careful who/what can ingest it. I think it would grow very

well in Florida, but some CA cities have ordinances against

planting it (so I'm told).  Take care.



Jeff



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 15:47:04 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Suellen Jagels <jagels@SATURN.CAPS.MAINE.EDU>

Subject:      Engorgement remedy



A patron is looking for info on preventing breastmilk engorgement in a

patient who just delivered a stillborn infant. She thinks there is an

herbal tea that will  accomplish this. does anyone have a suggestion

about where we could look for this information? Please respond to my e-mail

address rather than to the list. Thanks



Sue Jagels

Parrot Health Science Library

Eastern Maine Medical Center

Bangor Maine

jagels@saturn.caps.maine.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 16:20:18 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         YE65 <YE65@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>

Subject:      toothpaste samples mailed



Whew!!  I just mailed (1st class) all requests for Oxyfresh toothpaste!

Thank you to all who responded.  I am willing to continue to send

samples for any new requests.  But please be patient...I am not into my

E-mail every day.  So an accumulation of requests is inevitable,

however, I will honor every request.  For those who will receive theirs

within the next week or so, please tell a friend or more, if you are

satisfied with the product.  Thanks for your interest!!  Bonnie

<ye65@music.ferris.edu>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 17:29:00 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Darrell Felton <DFELTON@EMUBUS.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: BLOOD PRESSURE



Olga Epelboim writes:



> my mother-in-low takes high blood pressure medicine, but

> since it doesn't help much, her doctor wants her to double

> this medicine. can anybody advice, what herb or anything

> more natural can be added to the medicine to reduce blood

> pressure? i can't encourage her to drop this medicine, because

> she had bypass surgery in 1990, but i don't want her to

> increase the amount of it. just eating garlic does not

> help her. i am going to buy for her garlic supplement (kyolic?

> garlicin? garliq?). what else? thank you in advance.

>

----------



Darrell responds with:

I basically agree with Matti's response and there's an EXCELLENT book

available by James Scala, Ph.D. called "The High Blood Pressure Relief Diet"

that covers the subject quite completely... What to eat, what to avoid, what

supplements, why...  Dr. Scala's background and reputation are impeccable too.

I know many people that have used it with great success.  Hope this helps.

-Darrell Felton                 DFELTON@EMUBUS.BUS.EMORY.EDU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 17:03:30 CST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Comments:     <Parser> W: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and

              ignored.

From:         TWU_GENERAL bb <b_herb@VENUS.TWU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: toothpaste samples mailed



I would like to receive a sample - no rush, but it does sound like an

excellent product.



Sue Cook                                      Phone: 817-898-2972

Career Services                               Fax:   817-898-2956

Texas Woman's University                      E-Mail: S_Cook@twu.edu

Box 22939, TWU Station, Denton, TX 76204 (Snail Mail)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 02:13:00 +0200

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From:         J-p COVENT <J-P.COVENT@RTT.RTT.BE>

Subject:      Re: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)



Fred,(Fred W. Bach  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca)

I do'nt know but maybe radioactif radiation is the right expression.

In my country the dose of radiation is 70 millirem/year.

The writer of the report in the UK magazine whrote that in the

neighbourhood of powerlines this dose of radiation is significantly

higher.

I think I read the report about two years ago in Electronics World.

Because a lot of people thinks that they become ill when they live

in the neighbourhood of powerlines and because there is no scientific

explanation for their statements I thought this report is important.

Because you have a lot of expertise in the fields of radiation and

radioactivity would it be possible that you read the report and give

your comments to the list?



JP



English is my third language. Covent JP Belgium  Internet: covent.rtt.rtt.be



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 18:34:09 PST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "FRED W. BACH" <music@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA>

Subject:      Re: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)



>From:  MX%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET" 23-JUN-1994 17:50:51.74

>To:    MX%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET"

>CC:

>Subj:  Re: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)

>

>Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"." <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

>From: J-p COVENT <J-P.COVENT@RTT.RTT.BE>

>Subject: Re: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)

>To: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

>

>Fred,(Fred W. Bach  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca)

>I do'nt know but maybe radioactif radiation is the right expression.

>In my country the dose of radiation is 70 millirem/year.

>The writer of the report in the UK magazine whrote that in the

>neighbourhood of powerlines this dose of radiation is significantly

>higher.



   We here do NOT run experiments on Ultra Low Frequency non-ionizing

 radiation.  We do maintain data on Ionizing radiation.



  The power utilities around the world are collecting lots of data on

 Electro-magnetic fields and the inducing of some types of cancer.  Many

 medical centers around the world are also looking at it.



   I have the Frequently Asked Questions list on this subject, but

 it is just too long to post here.  (Private Emails by request.)

 Just recently, one of our power engineers here was personally and

 privately reading of the European studies of Electro Magnetic Fields,

 a form of "non-ionizing radiation", but DEFINITELY having NOTHING at

 all to  do with "radio-activity".  He pointed out that some power

 corporation research (not in Canada) has found links between power-line

 type fields and cancer.



>I think I read the report about two years ago in Electronics World.

>Because a lot of people thinks that they become ill when they live

>in the neighbourhood of powerlines and because there is no scientific

>explanation for their statements I thought this report is important.

>Because you have a lot of expertise in the fields of radiation and

>radioactivity would it be possible that you read the report and give

>your comments to the list?



  My personal belief is that BOTH sides of this argument are correct.

  There is one side that says that the Electromagnetic, non-ionizing

  radiation is the prime cause of the "excess" cancers among those people

  exposed, and then there is the other school of thought that says that

  it is the pesticides and nasty chemicals that the power companies may

  use on their poles, wires, and ground right-of-ways (to kill vegetation).

  I have read of Lab results of both kinds of tests which would seem to show

  that there is an effect from both.  Of course, this is what we would expect.



  Regarding non-ionizing VLF Electro-magnetic non-ionizing radiation:

  effects in the permeability of the cell walls of certain kinds of

  cells to ions like potassium and calcium (?) have been shown in the range

  of 60-Hertz.  The field strength AND the frequency are BOTH important to

  form a resonance where the cell-wall permeabilities are noticeably

  affected.  At *stronger* fields the effect tapers off.  So the effect

  is NOT linear with field strength.



>

>JP

>

>English is my third language. Covent JP Belgium  Internet: covent.rtt.rtt.be



   And, I hope that everyone by now has understood the difference between

  "radiation" and "radio-activity".   Radiation is the releasing of energy

  into the space surrounding an object.   It can be a result of radio-activity,

  but also of other things, like chemistry and/or ordinary physical reactions

  like your burning of calories in your body (resulting in heat radiation), or

  like the sound coming from an alarm clock's ringing and releasing of the

  energy in its wound-up spring (resulting in sonic radiation).



  Radio-activity, on the other hand, is simply the pre-disposition of atomic

  nucleii to self-disintegrate.   There can be some nasty nucleii, like

  plutonium, that spit out some nasty ionizing radiation for a *long time*,

  and some nearly harmless ones, like Carbon-11, which spit out very weakly

  interacting radiation for a very short time .  Then, there are many many

  atomic nucleii (like most of the ones in your body) that do NOT self-

  destruct, and therefore which are NOT radio-active.   Clear as mud???



 Fred W. Bach                              |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca

 Co-ordinator, Operations group            |

 TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  HEPnet  : ERICH::MUSIC

 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327/333

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 Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

  Damien says " If you don't STAND for SOMETHING, you'll FALL for ANYTHING "

 These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.

 They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Jun 1994 21:21:59 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Lyn Belisle <belisle@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)

In-Reply-To:  <199406240050.TAA03081@Paula-Formby.tenet.edu>



I apologize in advance for asking about re-posts on this subject.  A

friend just asked me to see what I could find out about EM fields and

powerlines.  Not having the intuition to anticipate this, I deleted most

of the good inforamtion. I will just

have to ask for any information that you would be willing to send to me

privately at belisle@tenet.edu.



           Thanks,

                   Lyn



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 02:21:43 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: toothpaste samples mailed

In-Reply-To:  <199406232032.AA01121@mail.crl.com>



On Thu, 23 Jun 1994, YE65 wrote:



> Whew!!  I just mailed (1st class) all requests for Oxyfresh toothpaste!



There is also an excellent herbal toothpaste you can make yourself out of

Myrrh, Tea Tree oil, charcoal and oil of peppermint. It is easy to make

and saved my teeth a few years back. Goldenseal is an optional ingredient.



-----------------------------------------------------------<robbee@crl.com>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 05:41:27 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         phylis austin <medpa@UNIX.CC.EMORY.EDU>

Subject:      Re: toothpaste samples mailed

In-Reply-To:  <9406240930.AA10978@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>



Rob:

  Would you please post recipe and preparation instructions?

       Many thanks.   Phylis Austin



On Fri, 24 Jun 1994, Rob Bidleman wrote:



> On Thu, 23 Jun 1994, YE65 wrote:

>

> > Whew!!  I just mailed (1st class) all requests for Oxyfresh toothpaste!

>

> There is also an excellent herbal toothpaste you can make yourself out of

> Myrrh, Tea Tree oil, charcoal and oil of peppermint. It is easy to make

> and saved my teeth a few years back. Goldenseal is an optional ingredient.

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------<robbee@crl.com>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 08:06:57 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "R.M.K." <YE71@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re[2]: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)

In-Reply-To:  In reply to your message of THU 23 JUN 1994 12:21:59 EDT



>I apologize in advance for asking about re-posts on this subject.  A

>friend just asked me to see what I could find out about EM fields and

>powerlines.  Not having the intuition to anticipate this, I deleted most

>of the good inforamtion. I will just

>have to ask for any information that you would be willing to send to me

>privately at belisle@tenet.edu.

>

>           Thanks,

>                   Lyn



THE FOLLOWING FEEDBACK IS FROM EXCERPTS OVER THIS PAST WEEK

                   RE: EMR & POWERLINES



%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%



 > > Jack> Which then brings up the possible health hazards of using such a

 > > Jack> device, because the user is probably in longer contact than the

 > > Jack> soon-to-die bugs.  Comments?

 > >



Insects are amoung the most resistant of organisms to EMFs; primarily due to

the relative low ratio of water/ total mass.  If you put an ant in a microwave

oven along with a small piece of steak, the meat will be cooked, and the ant

still alive... I have serious doubts that any said device that wouldn't cause

noticable discomfort to a human would cause _any_ harm to an insect.



 > > i had a professor once who was exposed to a 22,000 gauss field for

 > > nearly a minute once with no evident effect (he crawled into an

 > > energized linear accelerator to make an adjustment because it would

 > >



This is not too different from NMR diagnostics that are widely used in the

medical community today... they _also_ insure that personnel using the

equipment on a REGULAR basis are properly shielded from the EMF.



 > > this person puts no stock at all into the hysteria regarding EM

 > > fields.  power-line toxicity is caused by the willful (and, alas,

 > > legal) use of carcinogenic herbicides by power companies; there is no

 > > need to seek other explanation.

 > >



Power companies _used_ to (over 15 years ago- in Michigan) use the old PCP-

laden dielectric hydrocarbon that came from discarded transformers... this was

sprayed along power lines as an herbicide... it was highly toxic/ mutagenic/

teratogenic/ carcinogenic... an all-round bad player.... contained dioxin, one

of the worst compounds conceived by man... remember agent orange..??  I would

_hope_ that no municipality could still legally do this.



>>

>>"this person" being you, or the prof?  Hadn't thought about the herbicide

>> factor.  I have a satelite picture of this area, and powerline paths are

>> as visible as freeways.



Power companies do keep their right-of-way clear (usually 50 feet, or so) in

the event they have to service the line.  EMR at the level found near power

lines does _not_ hinder growth... in fact, studies have been done showing

INCREASED plant growth under moderate EMFs... this doesn't mean I want MY house

under one..!!



>>

>> I'm still very queasy about the EMR thing.  My understanding is that

>> prolonged exposure to low rates is what causes problems.

>>



EXACTLY... the more data that comes in, the more it is probable that increased

EMF exposure can cause cellular abnormalities.  JAMA recently had the results

of a 20-year study showing a (slight, but statistically significant) higher

rate of leukemia in males that used ELECTRIC razors daily.



All living things generate their own EMF... Most likely, it is a synergism of

artificial EMR over X period of time acting against this natural field that can

eventually cause problems; especially in long-lived organisms with complex

chromosomial makeup (man).



> The last article I read about EM fields (Science or some such magazine,

> several years ago) mentioned that cows that grazed near powerlines had

> a reduced milk supply and that plants that grew near them were stunted.

> This would fall in line with Jack's understanding that prolonged exposure

> is the key.  Of course, it also falls in line with the prof's opinion

> that herbicides are the cause.



There was a newsstory on CBS/ 60 Minutes (it's been re-run at least once) about

power line voltage leakage and EMFs at a dairy farm in Michigan.  Not only was

milk supply reduced, but the mortality rate of calves was about 10 times

normal.  After years of litagation, Consumers Power settled for an undisclosed

amount of $$$... I hardly think this was an herbicide problem.



IMHO, herbicides properly used are no biggee compared to the bombardment of EMR

we are CONSTANTLY exposed to in varying freqencies and intensities.  In the

privacy of your own home, it is possible to receive over a million separate

manmade signals, not even including the more ubiqitous RF that comes from every

device that consumes electricity.  The governments' plan for ELF projects is

ESPECIALLY disconcerting.



Don't get me wrong about pesticides,    Whenever possible, they are to

be avoided... but the chemical inventory today is much different than the days

of chlordane and DDT, etc., etc.  Phenoxyaliphatic herbicides today are

synthetic hormonal GROWTH stimulators that cause the plants to "burn-out."  In

small amounts they can actually INCREASE plant growth, and the

biodegradeability of these compounds makes carryover nil.



Now, if we could just eliminate the mass production of these older recalcitrant

pesticides and the exportation of them to third world countries, we have solved

the MAJORITY of ongoing evironmental world pollution due to pesticides.!..!!



What problem shall we solve tomorrow..??



Robert.



"Time is merely a concept of the material world"

                                             ...Edgar Cayce.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 08:25:40 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Klemm - Pamela S." <psklemm@UMD5.UMD.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Essiac Tea

In-Reply-To:  <199406241210.IAA22071@umd5.umd.edu>



I'm new to the list (about 1 minute).  Could someone please tell me how

to get background information on Essiac Tea,

 Thanks in advance, Pam Klemm.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 10:29:11 CDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "E. Sezonov" <z999046@MDACC.MDA.UTH.TMC.EDU>

Subject:      Searching archives, Was EM



Subj:   Re: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)



Lyn Belisle <belisle@TENET.EDU> writes:

> I deleted most of the goood inforamtion... can someone please resend [the

> files on EM] privately to belisle@tenet.edu.

> Thanks,  Lyn



Again, search archives thusly:



Write to listserv@VM3090.EGE.EDU.TR, and in the body say:

//

Database Search DD=Rules

//Rules DD   *

Search aphids in herb

Index

/*



You should be able to say Search EM fields (two words, try it), but

last time I tried 2 words it didnt make it. And just saying EM isn't

specific enough (that's why I said aphids in the examp above).

You get back a listing with a bunch of item numbers (say 1243, 1251, 1342).



Send a second job, thusly:

//

Database Search DD=Rules

//Rules DD   *

Search aphids in herb

Print all of 1243 1251 1342

/*



Good luck.

Erica



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 08:51:35 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Re[2]: EM fields (was: Aphids, fleas, now termites)

In-Reply-To:  <m0qHA4X-0003jxC@pacifier.com>



Robert,  nice summary.



> privacy of your own home, it is possible to receive over a million separate

> manmade signals, not even including the more ubiqitous RF that comes from ever

y

> device that consumes electricity.  The governments' plan for ELF projects is

> ESPECIALLY disconcerting.



Uh, what million sep. signals?  Are you talking about satelite downloads,

microwave towers, cell-phones?



The one that has me worried now is the promotion of radio-frequency Local

Area Network systems.  Corporations will save money on not wiring office

buildings, so they are very likely to catch on, big.



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 11:06:00 CDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         Jeralyn Snow <ASPDJS@UOKMVSA.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: BLOOD PRESSURE



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 13:24:00 CDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jeralyn Snow <ASPDJS@UOKMVSA.BITNET>

Subject:      this is a test



ignore...this is a test.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 15:30:56 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jtreasure@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: BLOOD PRESSURE



Just a reminder  on the Blood Pressure question...that if the hypertension is

currently being treated allopathically then drug interactions need to be

considered by an <experienced> practitioner - for example cardiac glycosides

such as digitalis are potentiated by Hawthorn (Crataegus) so that

administration of Hawthorn - which is THE herbal specific for cardiac

hypertensive conditions and CHF episodes - should be acccompanied by a

decrease in Digitalis dose - a mild increase in BP following the start of the

regime would indicate this.....



As is often pointed out on this list - a full case history is essential where

major systemic conditions are involved before adopting any anecdotal

recommendations - including dietary ones - however sensible , well

intentioned or clinically justified they may appear.

jonathan treasure



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 25 Jun 1994 09:33:57 +1200

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         A Easton <Anita.Easton@VUW.AC.NZ>

Subject:      Tea Tree

In-Reply-To:  <199406240931.AA26489@rata.vuw.ac.nz>



Rob Bidleman writes:

 > There is also an excellent herbal toothpaste you can make yourself out of

 > Myrrh, Tea Tree oil, charcoal and oil of peppermint. It is easy to make

 > and saved my teeth a few years back. Goldenseal is an optional ingredient.



That reminds me of something I've been meaning to ask for ages: when an

american says ``Tea Tree'' what do they mean? In New Zealand ``Tea

Tree'' is another name for Manuka (Leptospermum scoparium). Manuka is

endemic to New Zealand so that while it does have medicinal properties

I'd guess it's not what you're talking about :)



Coudl anyone supply a linnean name for ``Tea Tree'' and a description

of properties?



Nita



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 15:03:10 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "K. Woodfork" <kaw6m@DAYHOFF.MED.VIRGINIA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: a tea question



Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.RAIN.COM> writes:



> I've seen references to green tea that hint that it is "good for you",

> but am not sure if that is because it replaces the fermented type of

> black teas (which are "not good for you") or if there are actually

> positive things in green tea.

>

> Any real evidence?

>

> Jack vL



Jack -

I have seen a lot of scientific papers in which rats/mice were given

strong green tea as their sole beverage, then exposed to uv light

or chemical carcinogens. The rats/mice which drank green tea had

significantly less damage or fewer tumors/lesions. The polyphenol

catechins are the compounds believed to be responsible for these

actions; they are strong antioxidants and may have additional actions

at the cellular level. A lot of work is being done with these polyphenols,

most of it outside the US. If you want references, I can dig them up for

you.



Karen

kaw6m@dayhoff.med.virgina.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 21:07:08 -0700

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Rob Bidleman <robbee@CRL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Tea Tree

In-Reply-To:  <199406242132.AA25411@mail.crl.com>



I didn't mean to stir the Tea tree thing up again as there are many

oils <Cedar for example> which are as beneficial and one tenth the cost

of Tea Tree oils. Maleleuca? I am typing this on the run so don't

have a reference handy...



--------------------------------------------------------------<robbee@crl.com>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Jun 1994 15:23:47 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Comments:     <Parser> W: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and

              ignored.

From:         Health Sciences Libraries Consortium <herb@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG>

Subject:      Thanks for responses!



Thanks to all who responded to my query about ginseng and grape juice.  It was

very helpful.  This list is a great knowledge pool.



Wndy Skinner



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 25 Jun 1994 08:39:54 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Judy <JBAYLISS@PSUHMC.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: a tea question

In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri,

              24 Jun 1994 15:03:10 -0400 from <kaw6m@DAYHOFF.MED.VIRGINIA.EDU>



What a coincidence - my daughter just bought green tea yesterday after I

told her someone had said it helps adults with ADD - and she wants to

know what the two active ingredients (polyphenol & bioflavinoids) are and

what they do..   I'd appreciate any information I can pass on to her.



thanks - Judy



On Fri, 24 Jun 1994 15:03:10 -0400 K. Woodfork said:

>Jack -

>I have seen a lot of scientific papers in which rats/mice were given

>strong green tea as their sole beverage, then exposed to uv light

>or chemical carcinogens. The rats/mice which drank green tea had

>significantly less damage or fewer tumors/lesions. The polyphenol

>catechins are the compounds believed to be responsible for these

>actions; they are strong antioxidants and may have additional actions

>at the cellular level. A lot of work is being done with these polyphenols,

>most of it outside the US. If you want references, I can dig them up for

>you.

>

>Karen

>kaw6m@dayhoff.med.virgina.edu

>    Re: a tea question

>-6



JUDY



JBAYLISS@PSUHMC

JBAYLISS@PSUHMC.HMC.PSU.EDU

NHFK34A@PRODIGY.COM



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 25 Jun 1994 13:51:22 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         anna yamada <rosaphil@PHANTOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: BLOOD PRESSURE

In-Reply-To:  <9406241636.AA13254@mailhost.phantom.com>



        put a whole lotta washed purslane leaves and stems in a

        blender, add wheat germ oil, bananas, oj or other fruit juice

        pineapple, to taste, some honey, some ice.



        drink on a regular basis.



        also buy some hawthorne berry tea and drink a strong one

        every am about 8 or 9 am.



        take an aspirin a day.



        eat a lotta raw fruit. especially those with pectin--apples, pears,

        plums.



        good luck.



        stay away from stress and coffee and nutrasweet and caffeine.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 26 Jun 1994 08:05:03 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Robert L. Lamons" <rlamons@PEN.K12.VA.US>

Subject:      Holistic List

In-Reply-To:  <9406241113.AA11735@pen1.pen.k12.va.us>; from "Ginny Fitzgerald"

              at Jun 24, 94 7:13 am



Is anyone here on the Holistic List?  I used to be on but when

I switched servers I lost the listserv address. Can anyone post

it here or send it to me?

--

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I Love Education, But I Hate Being Taught!



Bob Lamons              rlamons@pen.k12.va.us

Annandale High School-Fairfax County, Virginia

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 26 Jun 1994 08:31:43 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Robert L. Lamons" <rlamons@PEN.K12.VA.US>

Subject:      Can tea be iced?

In-Reply-To:  <9406221644.AA10664@pen1.pen.k12.va.us>; from "Barry Caplin" at

              Jun 22, 94 10:19 am



For some time now I have been reading about all the different

teas and what they can do for you.  My single question

is....Can these teas be iced?  I dont drink anything hot, ever,

but would like the beneficial effects of the teas.  Can I take

any or all of these teas mentioned here on the list and ice

them with out any loss of the medicinal effects.?



--

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I Love Education, But I Hate Being Taught!



Bob Lamons              rlamons@pen.k12.va.us

Annandale High School-Fairfax County, Virginia

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 26 Jun 1994 08:51:00 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Patrick Tortora,

              Cape Cod Reg 508-432-4500" <TORTORAP@A1.MEC.MASS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Holistic List



Bob,

        To subscribe to HOLISTIC, send to LISTSERV@SIUCVMB or

LISTSERV@SIUCVMM.SIU.EDU

Good Luck, Pat



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 27 Jun 1994 09:47:01 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         ward@VAX.LIBRARY.UTORONTO.CA

Subject:      Re: preventing breatmilk engorgement



Sue, I posed the question on an informal midwife list and recieved this

response. I hope it helps.



Dana                   ward@vax.library.utoronto.ca



To:     WARD

CC:

Subj:   Re: preventing beastmilk engorgement



Message-ID: <m0qHIJx-0007AhC@stjohns.ohsu.edu>

Date: Fri Jun 24 13:49:50 PDT 1994

Subject: Re: preventing beastmilk engorgement

To: MIDWIFE@csv.warwick.ac.uk



Have you heard of using fresh cabbage leaves?  Get the leaves slightly damp,

apply them to the engorged breasts, and leave them there until wilted; then

apply fresh ones.  I have heard from women for whom nothing else worked that

this brings blessed relief.  Also... I tell women to stand in a warm shower

and let the water run directly onto their backs and indirectly over their

shoulders onto their breasts.  This allows some milk to leak out without

stimulating the breasts to produce more, and the warmth brings relief.  If she

must resort to pharmacological means, Advil work better than Tylenol because

it reduces inflammation as well as relieving pain.  Anyone know of others?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 27 Jun 1994 10:57:57 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Ricinus/Higuerata

In-Reply-To:  <9406231928.AA24614@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> from "Susan Christie" at Jun

              23, 94 03:25:49 pm



>

> Could anyone tell me if they have ever heard of ricinus (latin name)

> or Higuerata (spelling might be slightly off, it is the Spanish name)

> for an herb?  I know nothing about it, but I would like to find out

> the "American" name, and proper plant identification name, and its

> properties, if possible.  Thanks.

>

> Susan Christie

> International Student and Scholar Services

> Office of International Studies and Programs

> 123 TIGERT HALL                     TELEPHONE:(904)392-9087/FAX392-5575

> UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA               BITNET:   SCHRIST@NERVM

> GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA 32611          INTERNET: SCHRIST@UFNET.MAIL.UFL.EDU

>

Susan -

I'm reasonably sure that Ricinus is better known to us Enlgish-speakers

as Castor Bean. Ricin is the poison that is in the castor beans.



--

Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 27 Jun 1994 10:50:00 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

              <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Darrell Felton <DFELTON@EMUBUS.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: BLOOD PRESSURE



anna yamada wrote:



        put a whole lotta washed purslane leaves and stems in a

        blender...



        take an aspirin a day....



---------



Darrell kindly disagrees with the aspirin a day thing with:



        Don't take an aspirin a day unless you want to increase your risk of

        blindness (New England Journal of Medicine 1988; 17:1126 - 27), fatal

        heart attacks, brain hemorrhages and ulcers (the famous Bayer study).



-Darrell Felton                 DFELTON@EMUBUS.BUS.EMORY.EDU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 26 Jun 1994 18:33:41 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Thom Nelson <JasparLN@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Holistic List



Subscribe to LISTSERV@siucvmb.bitnet (SUBSCRIBE holistic).  The lists'

address is holistic@siucvmb.bitnet.  I haven't used this list; just looked it

up in "Navigating the Internet".



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 27 Jun 1994 08:59:04 CDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Norbert Hoffmann <hoffmann@STOLAF.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal studies information - opinions invited



Fran, Sonya ...... (long list of people interested).

I just found out about a degree granting correspondence

school in Birmingham, Alabama and requested a catalog:



The Clayton School of Natural Healing & The American Holistic

College of Nutrition.



They offer the following degrees:



Through Clayton School of Natural Healing:

N.D. - Doctor of Naturopathy

H.H.D. - Doctor of Holistic Health

D.Sc.  - Doctor of Science



Through American Holistic College of Nutrition:

B.S. - Bachelor of Science

M.S./Ph.D. - Master of Science/Doctor of Philosophy



The one I found the most interesting for people interested in herbology is

the N.D. program with following courses totaling 48 credits:



Herbology I

Herbology II

Nutrition

Human Anatomy

Massage

Acupressure

Reflexology

Iridology

Arthritis

Cancer

Fasting

Homeopathy

Work Project



They are very up front about accreditation stating that they are not

accredited by any of the regional accrediting agency since they are a

correspondence school. They are, however, "member of the World Association of

Universities and Colleges, a global accrediting agency." I did some research

and found out, that the Peterson Guide which lists all accrediting agencies

recognized by the U.S. Dept. of Education., does not list it. This is,

however, not an inclusive list according to our registrar.



Courses can be taken at your own pace. The total cost of the program is

$2135. There is an opportunity to participate in a week-long internship in

Ohio. Students and graduates are eligible to join the American Naturopathic

Medical Association, a professional organization.  The catalog states that

graduates can find work as naturopathic counselors or consultants among

others.



Phone to request catalog: (205) 933-2215.



Here is where I am with it right now: I don't really need another degree and

I am therefore very hesitant about the whole thing. I am sure there are

other, more worthwile ways to get a more "formal education" in herbology

which are not quite as costly - aside from just doing your own studies. I am

also wondering how one can really study some of the subjects listed above

without sufficient practical experience. One week internship seems hardly

adequate.



Another oddity that caught my attention: The degree programs in the

School of Natural Healing require a "Work Project" consisting of "independent

reading in the field of natural healing. The student is asked to write a

short paper." The Holistic College of Nutrition requires their Ph.D.

candidates to produce a 25-40 page "dissertation".



Well, when I worked on my M.S. degree at Duquesne University, a "fully

accredited private institution", I had a choice between a thesis and taking 6

more credits worth of courses and thought this was rather unusual. But "short

paper" or "25-40 page dissertation" sounds rather suspicious to me.



I don't know anything about this school other than what I read in their

catalog, their credibility, their stability, their admissions requirements.

They do have authentic looking, impressive diplomas which they didn't fail to

show in the catalog.



I would be curious to hear some opinions about this. Perhaps someone is

familiar with the school or schools like it.



Thanks



Norbert



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 28 Jun 1994 01:31:48 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Dave Allen <allen@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA>

Subject:      teas

In-Reply-To:  <9406280230.AA16019@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>



To the person who wanted to know if teas could be iced. I think you will

find that the human body reacts rather negatively to iced anything. Teas

should be consumed warm or room temperature.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 28 Jun 1994 07:53:42 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Robert L. Lamons" <rlamons@PEN.K12.VA.US>

Subject:      Holistic Thanks

In-Reply-To:  <9406272002.AA31715@pen1.pen.k12.va.us>; from "Thom Nelson" at

              Jun 26, 94 6:33 pm



Thanks to all who gave me the holistic

list address.  --

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I Love Education, But I Hate Being Taught!



Bob Lamons              rlamons@pen.k12.va.us

Annandale High School-Fairfax County, Virginia

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:27:04 CST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Comments:     Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X

From:         Mick <YODER@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU>

Subject:      teas

In-Reply-To:  note of 06/28/94 02:16



From: Mick

In what way does the body react negatively to "iced anything"?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 28 Jun 1994 08:56:21 PST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "FRED W. BACH" <music@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA>

Subject:      Re: teas



>From:  MX%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET" 28-JUN-1994 03:42:36.99

>To:    MX%"HERB@TREARN.BITNET"

>CC:

>Subj:  teas

>

>Sender: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"." <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

>From: Dave Allen <allen@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA>

>Subject: teas

>Comments: To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list\"."

>    <HERB@trearn.bitnet>

>To: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

>In-Reply-To:  <9406280230.AA16019@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>

>

>To the person who wanted to know if teas could be iced. I think you will

>find that the human body reacts rather negatively to iced anything. Teas

>should be consumed warm or room temperature.



   For teas, well maybe.  Cool peppermint-and-chamomile tea with a little

 honey and a drop of lemon is good for mild indigestion if sipped and the

 flavour savoured.  The taste on the tongue seems to have something to do

 with calming the stomach's digestive juices.



   But for my Ginger Ale and Fresh-squeezed Lemon remedy, DO NOT take it

 warm or at room temperature.  Cold or cool works better -- the Vitamin

 C and the lemon are protected and the sourness of the lemon is hidden

 by the cold and the ginger ale.  Kids will drink a lot of lemon juice

 this way when they would not drink it hot.  Also, if you have a mild

 sore throat, the coolness takes the edge off the pain of swallowing

 anything, including the lemon-and-gingerale mixture.



   Just my opinion...



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:52:31 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "s.i. sussman" <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Subject:      Re: Holistic Thanks

In-Reply-To:  <9406281155.AA00541@julian.uwo.ca>



Could you please provide information on opuntia ficus indica -Its a

cactus- Thank you Sam Sussman



Dr.Sam Sussman,                                 Sam Sussman

Director,Social Services,                       1532 Hillside Drive

London Psychiatric Hospital,                    London,Ontario,Canada

850 Highbury Avenue,                            N6G4M4

London,Ontario,Canada-N6A4H1                    Telephone and Fax-519-858-0023

Assistant Professor of Psychiatry,              (the above-RESIDENCE-)

University of Western Ontario                   or

Fax:519-455-9986(Canada country code first)     P.O.Box 612212,

Tel: 519-455-5110 ex.2244                       Port Huron,Michigan,U.S.A.

                                                48061-2212



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 28 Jun 1994 15:29:00 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Darrell Felton <DFELTON@EMUBUS.BITNET>

Subject:      Re Blood Pressure & ASPIRIN ref's



Jonathan Treasure kindly sent me the following:

Hi Darrell,

interested in your Bayer study ref. Do you have time to send a brief

synopsis/abstract to me or the list? Anymore recent references?

many thanks

------------

My attempt:

Well, The actual name of the study was "The Physician's Health Study."  22,000

of them divided into 2 groups. 1 one took an aspirin every other day and the

other, a placebo, for 5 years.  Results were as follows for the aspirin group:

-       44% fewer non-fatal heart attacks (this is what Bristol-Myers,  who

        helped fund the study, released to the news media). However, there was

        more to it.

-       Twice the incidence of hemorrhagic strokes (bleeding to the brain),

        and ulcers

-       Twice the incidence of sudden cardiac death



These results are similar to the results of "The British Doctor's Trial."

Ok, so it was Bufferin not Bayer.... sorry.  Hope this helps!

-Darrell Felton         DFELTON@EMUBUS          DFELTON@EMUBUS.BUS.EMORY.EDU



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 29 Jun 1994 06:39:32 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         anna yamada <rosaphil@PHANTOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: BLOOD PRESSURE

In-Reply-To:  <9406271927.AB20156@mailhost.phantom.com>



                BLINDNESS? HOW SO? WHAT IS THE MECHANISM?



On Mon, 27 Jun 1994, Darrell Felton wrote:



> anna yamada wrote:

>

>         put a whole lotta washed purslane leaves and stems in a

>         blender...

>

>         take an aspirin a day....

>

> ---------

>

> Darrell kindly disagrees with the aspirin a day thing with:

>

>         Don't take an aspirin a day unless you want to increase your risk of

>         blindness (New England Journal of Medicine 1988; 17:1126 - 27), fatal

>         heart attacks, brain hemorrhages and ulcers (the famous Bayer study).

>

> -Darrell Felton                 DFELTON@EMUBUS.BUS.EMORY.EDU

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 29 Jun 1994 08:01:59 MDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jack Barclay <ASD003@NMSUVM1.BITNET>

Subject:      Air Fare Special



I just learned that one may travel to most cities this weekend for

$149.00 round trip.  Leave Wed., Thurs, Fri., or Sat. and return on

Monday.  This is a July 4th weekend special.  Check with your travel

agent for details.

Blessings,

Jack



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 29 Jun 1994 11:13:00 EST

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Darrell Felton <DFELTON@EMUBUS.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: BLOOD PRESSURE



In response to

        "Don't take an aspirin a day unless you want to increase your risk of

        blindness (New England Journal of Medicine 1988; 17:1126 - 27),"

Anna Yamada asked:



                BLINDNESS? HOW SO? WHAT IS THE MECHANISM?

----



Darrell's response:



According to that study, macular degeneration.  As you may know, the macula is

a small sensitive area on the back side of the eye.  Aspirin reduces the

blood's ability to clot.  When small blood vessels break (hemorrhage), more

blood leaks out before before the body can stop the bleeding.  These small

retinal hemorrhages (macular degeneration) can lead to blindness.

Peace,

Darrell Felton          DFELTON@EMUBUS          DFELTON@EMUBUS.BUS.EMORY.EDU

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Date:         Wed, 29 Jun 1994 10:40:03 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Sheila Emerson <sheila@LWNEXT.CRC.UPENN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Air Fare Special

In-Reply-To:  <no.id> from "Jack Barclay" at Jun 29, 94 08:01:59 am



Hi Jack!



Thanks for the airfare info.



Say, aren't you the gent who had to go to CA for surgery?  How are you doing?



Cheerios!



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 29 Jun 1994 09:35:42 PDT

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From:         Sonya Babbitt <sonyab@REDREDROSE.LABS.TEK.COM>

Subject:      info about stevia



Someone mentioned stevia to me the other day.  I thought I

had seen an article about it but can't seem to find it.

I also looked in all my herb books and didn't see any

entry for stevia in any of them.



Can anyone tell me anything about this herb?

Thanks for your help,

Sonya



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 29 Jun 1994 21:09:56 -0500

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Pami Jo Evans <pami@VANCE.MIT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: info about stevia



At  9:35 AM 6/29/94 -0700, Sonya Babbitt wrote:

>Someone mentioned stevia to me the other day.  I thought I

>had seen an article about it but can't seem to find it.

>I also looked in all my herb books and didn't see any

>entry for stevia in any of them.

>

>Can anyone tell me anything about this herb?

>Thanks for your help,

>Sonya



I had never heard of stevia until I saw it in the Richter's

Herb Catalog...and then I was intrigued...and subsequently

dissapointed when none was available.  Here is the blurb

from the catalog:



Stevia

Stevia rebaudiana



Remarkable herbal sugar substitute!  Contains steviaside, thousands

of times swseeter than sugar, but without the calories.  Leaf

powder can be used in place of sugar in drinks, baked goods,

desserts, preserves, etc.  Has a pleasant flavour of its own that

never dominates or overwhelms to which it is added.

Note: because supplies are limited, stevia shipments are

suspended; plants are available only in person at the nursery

as supplies permit.



I wondered if it is that stevia is hard to come by for the same

reason that it is hard to market a non-gasoline auto fuel...



*sigh* if the blurb was right, .......



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Jun 1994 08:54:36 +0300

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From:         Hanita Gotblat <chanita@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL>



I have discovered a medicinal tea for help during menstrual

periods and menopause. It

contains three herbal essences: hops, poppy and melilotus (sweet clover).

Re: the first two, all is clear. But re: melilotus -- things are not so

clear. The explanation is that is can be considered, as I understand from

the firm's booklet, somewhat of an "estrogen precurser" that can help the

balance of hormones. I have not found anything in any

herbal books I can at present lay my hands on.



Does anyone know anything about the herb melilotus?  Much thanks. Chanita

Goodblatt.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Jun 1994 00:42:31 EDT

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From:         Thom Nelson <JasparLN@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: info about stevia



After searching through all my most trusted books, I found in the "Exotic

Plants" section of the Readers' Digest _Magic and Medicine of Plants_ a good

sized blurb on Stevia.  It focused on Stevia Rebaudiana, or sweet herb, a

species that is used by the Guarani Indians of Paraguay  to make a sweet tea

(they gave it its name).  It is marketed as a sugar replacement for

diabetics; and it actually triggers hypoglycemic activity, "reducing blood

levels as it sweetens".  There are more than 200 species of Stevia known, but

none have been found which are as sweet as this one.  What produces the

sweetness is the glycoside stevioside, which is 300 times as sweet as sugar.

 There has also been some push in health food circles to start trying this as

an alternative sweetener because of the alleged bad effects of white sugar

(personally I'm going to stick with good old sugar cane in the form of

Sucanat, but that's a different discussion).



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Jun 1994 08:15:37 MDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jack Barclay <ASD003@NMSUVM1.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: info about stevia

In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 30 Jun 1994 00:42:31 EDT from <JasparLN@AOL.COM>



On Thu, 30 Jun 1994 00:42:31 EDT Thom Nelson said:

>After searching through all my most trusted books, I found in the "Exotic

>Plants" section of the Readers' Digest _Magic and Medicine of Plants_ a good

>sized blurb on Stevia.  It focused on Stevia Rebaudiana, or sweet herb, a

>species that is used by the Guarani Indians of Paraguay  to make a sweet tea

>(they gave it its name).  It is marketed as a sugar replacement for

>diabetics; and it actually triggers hypoglycemic activity, "reducing blood

>levels as it sweetens".  There are more than 200 species of Stevia known, but

>none have been found which are as sweet as this one.  What produces the

>sweetness is the glycoside stevioside, which is 300 times as sweet as sugar.



We used to use stevia as a sweetner in cooking in place of a lot of the

sugar.  We especially used it in pies so that my diabetic sister-in-law

could eat them.  It works wonderfully as a sugar replacement and just

a little bit replaces a lot of sugar or honey.  I've used it in hot

tea and other drinks.

     However, it is not generally available any more because the FDA has

forced it off of the shelves of the health food stores where it used to

be plentifully available.  The FDA is busy protecting us again.



Blessings,

Jack



> There has also been some push in health food circles to start trying this as

>an alternative sweetener because of the alleged bad effects of white sugar

>(personally I'm going to stick with good old sugar cane in the form of

>Sucanat, but that's a different discussion).



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Jun 1994 10:15:58 EDT

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From:         Joan Colburn <JOAN@SHAMU.MTN.NCAHEC.ORG>

Organization: NC Mountain AHEC

Subject:      Patchouli with yellow spots



I've a Patchouli plant that's evidently thriving, but almost all of its

leaves are full of yellow spots.  I can find no evidence of any

'critters' and the plant appears to keep growing happily.  Any ideas?



TIA!



Joan Colburn

joan@shamu.mtn.ncahec.org



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Jun 1994 10:40:19 EDT

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From:         YE65 <YE65@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>

Subject:      missed messages



Since the University where I have my e-mail connection thru had a blip

in the system and was disconnect from the rest of the world for a couple

of days...Monday around 4 pm to Wed 3pm I know I've missed SOMETHING

important!  Are previous discussions archived?

if so, how do I access them?  Thanks.  Bonnie <ye65@music.ferris.edu>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:15:55 -0400

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         "s.i. sussman" <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Subject:      opuntia ficus indica

In-Reply-To:  <9406300714.AA08602@julian.uwo.ca>



could someone please give me some information on this cactus flower which

has been used for colitis by south american indians for centuries . I

thank you SS



Dr.Sam Sussman,                                 Sam Sussman

Director,Social Services,                       1532 Hillside Drive

London Psychiatric Hospital,                    London,Ontario,Canada

850 Highbury Avenue,                            N6G4M4

London,Ontario,Canada-N6A4H1                    Telephone and Fax-519-858-0023

Assistant Professor of Psychiatry,              (the above-RESIDENCE-)

University of Western Ontario                   or

Fax:519-455-9986(Canada country code first)     P.O.Box 612212,

Tel: 519-455-5110 ex.2244                       Port Huron,Michigan,U.S.A.

                                                48061-2212



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Jun 1994 09:01:14 PDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         Sonya Babbitt <sonyab@REDREDROSE.LABS.TEK.COM>

Subject:      Re: info about stevia

In-Reply-To:  Your message of Wed,

              29 Jun 94 21:09:56 -0500. <9406300715.AA27834@tektronix.TEK.COM>



PJ,



Thanks for the info.  Interesting use of the plant.  It

wouldn't surprise me if it was being kept pretty scarce

by the big money sugar industry.



It was mentioned to me that stevia was used in a sweet

herbal tea.  So your info about an herbal sugar substitute

would fit right in.



Thanks,

Sonya



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:30:13 EDT

Reply-To:     "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         David_Merrill@IWP.CCMAIL.COMPUSERVE.COM

Subject:      Re: Stevia



On Wed, 29 Jun 1994, Sonya Babbitt wrote:



>Someone mentioned stevia to me the other day.  I thought I had

>seen an article about it but can't seem to find it. I also

>looked in all my herb books and didn't see any entry for stevia

>in any of them. Can anyone tell me anything about this herb?



There was a short article on _Stevia rebaudiana_, sweet herb of

Paraguay, in Herb Companion, December 1991/January 1992. It

includes information on growing it (it's a South American native,

but it can be grown in most of the US as a tender perennial), on

using it as a sweetener, and on where you might be able to get

mail-order plants.



Apparently, there's an import ban on it in Canada, and I've heard

rumors that the FDA is encouraging the same for the US.



That issue of Herb Companion is out of print now; do you have

friends with back issues? If there's enough interest, I can post

it to the list.



d:-)}===>



