



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Homemade shampoo or conditioner

From: KELLIECASS@delphi.com

Date: 30 Apr 1995 21:11:43 GMT



   [ You might want to try Cocoa Butter in your soapmaking recipes, as well.

   [ If you need it, I have it available. It makes a wonderful soap!

Do you have a recipe showing us how we can use it to make soap?

If so please share it!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:52:51 GMT



In article <3nv5bq$ehf@news.primenet.com>,

camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo) wrote:



>Here, Jonathan, is this substantiation enough for you?  Please pay 

>special attention to the part on  toxic effects which I underlined.  >



>Valerian, Valeriana officinalis

>W. Fred Shaw, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.



blah blah Serious Science bits snipped out to save bandwidth....



OOPS...

OH DEAR CAMILLA: DID I PRESS A BUTTON BY ANY CHANCE????? 



the problem with dealing with someone who does not understand  something,

and who then simply regurgitates a pile of citations which prove

emphatically how little they understand , while saying nyah nyah ni nyah

nyah at the same time - is probaby too taxing for me  - and I certainly

haven't the time or energy to get involved in a flaming exchange with you

or any one else. 



Let me however briefly deal with your Mr Shaw's  "evidence".



I'm afraid I don't know of Mr Shaw, but in this country his qualifications

would indicate that he is a qualified acupuncturist. Now I realise that in

certain parts of California there are more acupuncturists per capita than

psychotherapists, and statistically some of them must be reasonably

knowledgeable about herbs from a western point of view as well as from a

TCM perspective.



Unfortunately however Mr Shaw"s renown as a western herbalist has not

percolated to these distant shores, and reading his article and references

it is perhaps not hard to see why. For brevity , I will take your key

example, which you so helpfully underlined...



>This herb is described as a "medium strength herb with some 

>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>chronic toxicity". (2) 



>2 Holmes, P. 1989. The Energetics of Western Herbs, Vol I and II. 

>   Artemis Press,  Boulder, CO.



Of course, your ignorance of the subject probably prevents you from seeing

how funny this is. Peter Holmes is an academic, and a very good one, who

certainly does not spend his time in clinical practice as a western

herbalist. One could call him a theoretician. He is well known to people in

the Uk NIMH.  The joke is that he is a vitalist from the tip of his nose to

the toes of his boots; there is not ONE single modern scientific citation

in his Materia Medica BECAUSE it is a theoretical-historical compilation

attemping to synthesise Galenic humoral physiology with TCM energetics.(and

more) Actually most of his references are prior to the 16th Century. Peter

would DIE of embarrassment if he knew his text was being used to support a

toxicity argument repeated by some half baked reductionist on the internet.



(Incidentally, the introductory parts to the first volume are dense,

occasionaly brilliant,and fascinating reading; the classification of herbs

however has complex inconsistencies that do not make this a useful

Practical Materia Medica for novices - that's my opinion only)



It transpires then, that Mr Shaw's prime source on the matter is dear Peter

Holmes..followed by a couple of potboiler "encyclopedias" no doubt with

full colour illustrations.....no wonder Mr Shaw's publications ( if any)

have not exactly set western herbalists aflame and agog with

excitement...still we wait in anticipation .......



 ON AND ON

>don't forget to read the abstracts attached at the end.  I would hate 

>for you to remain in glaring ignorance.



Oh goody!  - real scientific abstracts downloaded from MEDLINE. Now we are

getting the hard stuff. ( dons  white coat in readiness, slow pan shot

reveals many dials and flashing lights on shiny equipment in background)



Well -  if I wanted to write a quick overview of a herb I knew nothing

about from my own experience I could quickly check out Holmes for

background and dive into MEDLINE - good tactic Fred.Looks authoritative.



What a load of cobblers. (old english expression, cobblers meaning

spherical objects)



You see Camilla, when herbalists review literature of so called  *real

scientific* investigations into herbs,( ie performed by our white sheeted

friends)  they tend do two things first. 1. Eliminate non-human studies. 2.

Check the origin, species, parts used, method of extraction, dose etc of

the plant involved.(Note I said Herbalists here, not pharmacognoscists,

ethnobotanists or gullible idiots who think that an abstract is meaningful

because its an abstract or because its in Medline)



That means that the majority of your (Mr Shaw's) citations are a waste of

time - purely from a clinical herbalist's point of view ....since they use

rodents, rats, mice, guinea pigs as well as in vitro studies on parts of

the same etc. (My only personal connection with rodents are my son's pet

rats and being born in the year of the rat - but I know some people find

these unending forays into the boundaries of rodent physiology  quite

relevant) There are three human studies, two of which use apparently

comparable preparations, and  none of which mention toxicity or side

effects. He has not reviewed the literature - he has regurgitated it. Maybe

it impresses you  - not me my dear.



To deal briefly with toxicity - your favourite subject. 

When herbalists  analyse questions of toxicity they  set out EXACTLY what

they mean by toxicity.There are, of course, a number of different

approaches and issues, both philosophical and practical. All I would ask,

is that when you regurgitate your half baked "advice" to readers of this

group , which somehow invariably reduces to scare mongering - please define

what you mean by toxicity and for heaven's sake use some respected sources

if you are going to bother to regurgitate anything at all. May I suggest

You use Brinker - a standard text on the subject, as well as the work of

James Duke and Norman Farnsworth.(of NAPRALERT) Tyler is a wretched

munchkin in the field  who is not really worth bothering with. Otherwise

the debate remains stuck at the well anything is poisonous if you take

enough of it ( eg  water, oxygen) versus injecting ten times a rats body

weight of x active principle causes tumours yawn surprise surprise.



A final footnote on our so called authority (ie Fred ):

when he speaks of dosage it is patently clear that he apparently has NO

EXPERIENCE of Valerian prescription whatsoever - he mutters about this

herbalist and that one recommends such and such. IF he knows what he is

doing he would say so...If you use the damn stuff on a regular basis you

know a) what the guideline doses are, b) how, when or why these must or can

be departed from. 



(Useful sources for those seeking information on dosage are readily

available in Michael Moore's on line resource files, and at length in Weiss

- Herbal Medicine)



All in all I suppose  one could assume  you chose Fred as your mentor in

this instance for those  qualities that resemble your own - a superficial

knowledge with a sprinkling of science ( citations and abstracts) 

masquerading as an informed point of view on the subject..... your style

exactly.



> My agenda: the disseminiation of scientifically 

>accurate information to counteract the lies and misinformation spread by people who can do a great deal of harm.



fine - but really Camilla you should try and do better You are digging a

hole for yourself and becoming the person you are trying to warn us about

I'm afraid..... The people on this newsgroup deserve better even if you

don't feel you do yourself.



enough



jonathan



PS I can't be bothered to reply to your petulant nonsense regarding my

original posting.You simply don't understand it - fine- Forget it. Should

you wish to delve into constitutional uses of western herbs there is an

excellent introduction to the subject by Michael Moore available

at:http://www.crl.com/~robbee/herbal.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: Christi D

Date: 1 May 1995 06:55:40 GMT



>  So much for no side effects... 

>  Rule #1 of pharmacology: the most frequent side effect of any 

>  pharmacologically active substance is an exaggerated version of its main 

>  mechanism of action.  Memorize this.

>             Camilla Cracchiolo, RN   camilla@primenet.com

 

And, if I may politely suggest:

Then add and memorize:

The greater the patient's need of amelioration, the greater the exaggeration!

Christi D.

*  E-mail: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com

-- maybe that's the origin of *if it doesn't kill you, it'll cure you*! :)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: mikz@primenet.com (Michael Zalar)

Date: 1 May 1995 14:38:50 GMT



Sean Myers (smmyers@pacbell.com) wrote:

: Hello,



:      Could someone please give me a list of the medicinal values of Valerian.  

: I have read the FAQ, but it didn't really give any info.  



  Just to throw a couple of other sources into the continuing debate on 

the adverse effects of Valerian:  Peterson"s Feild guide to Medicinal 

Plants  shows no warning on the use of valerian.  However, the   Herb 

Book--by John Lust has the following warning: CAUTION: large doses or 

extended use may produce symptoms of poisoning.  Take the tea twice daily 

for no more than two to three weeks at a time.



   There is obviously a differenc of opinion on this subject, so quit 

your bloody viscious arguing please.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 11:21:43 GMT



In article <3o2rpq$9hn@news4.primenet.com>,

mikz@primenet.com (Michael Zalar) wrote:



>  There is obviously a differenc of opinion on this subject, so quit 

>your bloody viscious arguing please.

>



Well Michael, 

maybe my polemical bent prevented you from seeing the point  - in which

case it was not so skillful. My beef is NOT about Valeriana, but about how

CC persistently perpetrates scare stories/misinformation about toxicity of

herbs on afh -  claiming to be a proponent of "scientific" truth on the

subject. Private email suggests I am far from  alone in being fed up with

this.. 



Having myself turned to herbal medicine as a profession after an orthodox

medical training - it is particularly galling to me to see someone who has

professional qualifications in neither area, and more importantly, a

limited understanding even of the "science" they claim to espouse, set

themselves up as an authority with a personal crusade about the (lack of)

safety of herbal medicines.  



My comments on Shaw's article were an attempt to expose the flaws of such a

banal bid for scientific credibility given that these matters can be

difficult for those without any specialised training to form an opinion on.

Despite being polemical and cynical ( after all I am english)  there was

both  solid information and useful sources mentioned in my post.



I shall, no doubt to your relief, refrain from further contributions on the

subject.... having already stated I do not want to get involved in flame

exchanges etc.



May I however be impudent enough to offer some recommendations to readers

of this newsgroup before shutting up.



As your post says, you looked in the two herb books on your shelf and came

up with different stories about Valerian. It is a fact that many "popular"

herb books simply reproduce /regurgitate facts derived or passed on from

others before them. Chinese whispers. The question arises where do

"ordinary" people turn for accurate/reliable information on herbs? 



My personal advice, especially to those in the USA where medical herbalists

are not legally recognised or professionally accredited is to look FIRSTLY

to two of the leading current teachers of herbalism in your country.



One is an ex patriate englishman - David Hoffmann, the other is home grown

- Michael Moore.



Hoffmann has produced an entire book on how to locate herbal information.

It is called  THE INFORMATION SOURCEBOOK ON HERBAL MEDICINE pub Crossing

Press 1994 which deals with precisely the issue in hand....use it to

determine for yourself what an accurate source is..





Michael Moore's work is available in several books ( see FAQ) and 

importantly he has made several valuable texts available by ftp for those

with that facility...



Both these outstanding  herbalists are leading educators and original

contributors, who recognise the need to provide reliable accessible

information - DH by publishing the above  book, and MM by making texts

freely avaiable on the net. Where do they get their info  from? 



Apart from direct clinical training and years of clinical experience ,you

will find  both utilise the historical sources of  US Herbalism

particularly  the Eclectics,- Ellingwood, Felter and LLoyd, Scudder,

Culbreth and so on as well as to a lesser extent the physiomedicalists,

Cook, Thurston, etc. Many of These titles are available in reprint from the

Eclectic Medical Publishing Co in Sandy, Oregon.Ask your library to order

them - they are expensive. Personally I would recommend these sources over

most contemporary potboiler texts anyday. Naturally, both authors  use

modern scientific research also, but in context.



Two other modern texts of note are Herbal Medicine - by Dr R Weiss, and Out

of the Earth by Simon Mills (FNIMH) for those interested in more depth.



I believe D Hoffmann has an excellent correspondence course but I do not

have an address for it - he also teaches at CIIS. Michael Moore gives

regular courses at The South West School of Botanical medicine in NM. There

is no substitute for working directly under the guidance of experienced

herbalists such as these, and growing, gathering, harvesting, processing

and using the plants for yourself.



Finally - its probably adviseable to regard most of what CC posts to this

group with a hefty dose of skepticism - although its obvious that this is

only my opinion - you too are free to  worship at the shrine of the

cybernetic maddonna should you wish.



So - now I will 



> quit your bloody viscious arguing 



(whatever that is) having endeavoured to provide something more useful than

rather lamely proffering two conflicting references from books on my shelf.



jonathan 



 

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 6 May 1995 05:06:00 GMT



Jonathan Treasure (jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: May I respectfully ask you READ the preceding posts, or reread them, and

: then supply the documented evidence that



:  a) valerian is an abortifacient,

:  b) valerian  has caused miscarriages

: c)  deaths caused by  use/abuse of ephedra, hypericum and valerian

: respectively.



: If you cannot provide this evidence, please withdraw your claims, or admit

: they are based upon on your own - no doubt otherwise immaculate -

: imagination.



I see that you didn't bother to read the abstracts at the end of Fred 

Shaw's article on valerian.  Valerian is a mutagen by the standard test 

used to determine mutagenicity, which involves inducing a particular 

mutation in salmonella bacteria (the Ames test, in other words).  

Mutagens, in addition to possibly being carcinogenic in humans, are also 

most likely teratogens, (inducers of birth defects).  It's reference #13, 



Von der Hude, W; Scheutwinkel-Reich, M; Braun R.' Bacterial mutagencity 

of the tranquillizing constituents of Valerianaceace roots.  Mutation 

Research, 1986, Jan-Feb 169 (1-2): 23-7



As to the ephedra deaths, I'll have to go dig them up, but there were a 

couple of kids in Ohio who died a while back.  The FDA has other reports.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: 9 May 1995 00:02:49 +0100



In article <3of03o$cld@news.primenet.com>,

camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo) wrote:



>

>I see that you didn't bother to read the abstracts at the end of Fred 

>Shaw's article on valerian.  Valerian is a mutagen by the standard test 

>used to determine mutagenicity, which involves inducing a particular 

>mutation in salmonella bacteria (the Ames test, in other words).  

>Mutagens, in addition to possibly being carcinogenic in humans, are also 

>most likely teratogens, (inducers of birth defects).  It's reference #13, 

>



Come on Camilla, don't be obtuse... 



Even you have to accept

 

1. Herbs are NOT the same as isolated compounds.

2. Animal studies are NOT human studies.



 Your ref is about isolated compounds on BACTERIA  - not even

rodents.(sigh......)

.  

The reference PROVES nothing about VALERIAN the HERB, let alone its actions

on the pregnant HUMAN UTERUS.



My issue was that the poster SJOSEPH claims Valerian causes miscarriages

and death. Of course you would leap to her aid since she's playing your

tune, but

as I said before - try a bit harder, the record is wearing out. I notice

you are now subtly implying that Valerian is carcinogenic as well. Never

give up do we? 



Incidentally - ANY trained herbalist regards pregnancy de facto as a

contraindication for herbs if one could put it that way round  - except for

nutritive tonics such as nettle and  alfalfa and uterine tonics like 

raspberry leaf and (toward term) Squaw vine.  



Before you go too far with your research into Ephedra deaths BTW, you will

have to bear in mind that pharmaceutical OTC preparations for anti-cold,

anticongestion etc containg Ephedrine are freely on sale in the USA.

Hopefully you'll be lobbying the manufacturers as well as the poor readers

of this newsgroup. (In fact a recent attempt in Texas by state authorities

to ban Ephedra containing herbal preparations was thwarted on precisely

these grounds...)



If you do start to think about OTC pharmaceuticals, perhaps you'll mention

to everyone here  how many ER admissions are caused in first world

countries through poisoning with aspirin/acetaminophen/paracetamol and

other freely available NSAID's. Answer TENS OF THOUSANDS PER ANUM. What is

the major cause of fulminant hepatic failure ( ie transplant or die liver

disease) - the same compounds of course. 85% of all UK liver transplants in

the last ten years  were necessitated by the effects of these

drugs.(figures from Royal College of Physicians, 1994)  All approved by

your FDA, our MCA etc for OTC self medication. 



Almost makes  Comfrey look like a liver tonic to me.



jonathan 

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: clark26@aol.com (CLARK26)

Date: 12 May 1995 15:45:55 -0400



I would like to thank both Jonathan Treasure and Camilla Cracchiolo for

one of the most ferocious and entertaining arguments I have seen here.  I

have very little interest in Valerian but you two have given a lot of

information in a very memorable form.  If you can continue this format for

a few more herbs you will be doing us all a great service.



I am definately not being facetious or sarcastic.  I admire you both for

your intellectual aggression and tenacity.



Just don't become friends,  you"ll ruin the synergy.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: ddupree877@aol.com (DDupree877)

Date: 6 May 1995 15:02:59 -0400



Valerian is a great sedative, and I have used it in processed pill form

for several years.  The greatest advantage, I think, is that it is

non-addictive, unlike Xanax and Valium.  There are two cautions you should

be aware of, however.



In Earl Mindell's Herb Bible, he cautions that in extremely high dosages,

valerian may cause paralysis and a weakening of the heartbeat.



The other thing (which I cannot locate my source of) is that it should not

be used for long periods of time by persons who are manic depressive.  In

Today's Herbal Health, they state it is usually recommended for short term

use.  Prolonged or excessive use can cause mental depression in some

people.



The only side effect I ever had was during an extremely stressful time

when I took more than six tablets in a day and I felt queasy.  I lowered

the dosage and suffered no more.



Hope I've helped.  Good luck!



Dell





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 13:13:13 PST



In message ID <3of03o$cld@news.primenet.com> on 5/5/95, Camilla Cracchiolo

<camilla@primenet.com> wrote:



: As to the ephedra deaths, I'll have to go dig them up, but there

: were a  couple of kids in Ohio who died a while back.  The FDA has

: other reports.

: 

: -----------------------------------------------------------------------

:            Camilla Cracchiolo



Ephedra deaths is not ephedrine deaths. I believe you are confused.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





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Subject: Re: Valerian

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 16 May 1995 04:48:51 GMT



Paul Iannone (p_iannone@pop.com) wrote:



: Ephedra deaths is not ephedrine deaths. I believe you are confused.



I asked about this over in sci.med and sci.med.pharmacy.  While I haven't 

gotten the full details on the Ohio case yet, I've been assured by 

several folks that there are definitely deaths on record from ephedra 

itself and not just the extracted ephedrine.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: camilla@primenet.com

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: Paul Anacker <anackerp@rain.org>

Date: 16 May 1995 08:55:26 GMT



Well, if you're going to post hearsay (which you shouldn't) then at 

least attribute the sources of that hearsay.  "Several folks" is NOT 

a very impressive source whether they are definite about it or not. 

 

PS - There can be lame posters to sci.med, etc. just like there can 

be lame posters here, so saying you heard it over there doesn't add 

any credibility to your posts. 

 

>camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo) wrote: 

 

>: Paul Iannone (p_iannone@pop.com) wrote: 

>: Ephedra deaths is not ephedrine deaths. I believe you are confused. 

 

>I asked about this over in sci.med and sci.med.pharmacy.  While I haven't  

>gotten the full details on the Ohio case yet, I've been assured by  

>several folks that there are definitely deaths on record from ephedra  

>itself and not just the extracted ephedrine. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 16 May 1995 21:29:46 GMT



Paul Anacker (anackerp@rain.org) wrote:

: Well, if you're going to post hearsay (which you shouldn't) then at 

: least attribute the sources of that hearsay.  "Several folks" is NOT 

: a very impressive source whether they are definite about it or not. 



Actually, it was by e-mail and I don't usually post e-mail without 

permission.  As I said, I'm tracking down the story.  I agree that people 

deserve to have dates, names, times, places and sources.  When I get it, 

I'll post the info.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 17 May 1995 03:17:15 GMT



Camilla Cracchiolo (camilla@primenet.com) wrote:

: Paul Anacker (anackerp@rain.org) wrote:

: : Well, if you're going to post hearsay (which you shouldn't) then at 

: : least attribute the sources of that hearsay.  "Several folks" is NOT 

: : a very impressive source whether they are definite about it or not. 



: Actually, it was by e-mail and I don't usually post e-mail without 

: permission.  As I said, I'm tracking down the story.  I agree that people 

: deserve to have dates, names, times, places and sources.  When I get it, 

: I'll post the info.



I don't have the word on the Ohio case, but _The Vitamin Pushers_ by 

Stephen Barrett lists deaths in Texas from a weight loss product called 

Forumula One which contained ma huang *extract* at a dosage 5 times that 

seen in the raw herb.  He mentions reports of 'several deaths and many 

cases of serious illness'.



More info will come as I get it.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: camilla@primenet.com

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: Paul Anacker <anackerp@rain.org>

Date: 18 May 1995 09:44:22 GMT



And I'll bet they mixed Formula One with water or milk, so does that 

mean we can report that "some folks have reported that there have 

been deaths from water or milk?" 

 

camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo) wrote: 

>I don't have the word on the Ohio case, but _The Vitamin Pushers_ by  

>Stephen Barrett lists deaths in Texas from a weight loss product called  

>Forumula One which contained ma huang *extract* at a dosage 5 times that  

>seen in the raw herb.  He mentions reports of 'several deaths and many  

>cases of serious illness'. 

> 

>More info will come as I get it. 

 

Hopefully better that what's been produced so far!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: scjoseph@aol.com (SCJOSEPH)

Date: 24 May 1995 17:25:59 -0400



Greetings --



Paul sniped:



>>And I'll bet they mixed Formula One with water or milk, so does that

mean we >>can report that "some folks have reported that there have been

deaths from >>water or milk?" 





Think about it, Paul -- if you mixed arsenic with water or milk and drank

it, which do you think is going to kill you?  The arsenic, of course --

not the water or the milk.



Camilla's original intention here was to warn people to be careful when

using herbal medicines.  That was my intention also.  I use them for just

about everything -- flu, headaches, colds, etc...  but I've also been

doing it for a long time.  People who are new to herbals should be

careful, and consult with a competent medical professional that practices

herbal healing.  There's no reason for you to attack her (or me)

personally.  You're only showing your ignorance, where Camilla is showing

her intelligence and careful thought.



Peace,



SCJ

Sister Carol Joseph

SCJoseph@aol.com



Emancipate yourself from mental slavery -- none but ourselves can free our

minds.  ---Bob Marley.  In Jah Love.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 30 May 95 15:28:00 PST



In message ID <3q0897$j8g@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 5/24/95, SCJOSEPH

<scjoseph@aol.com> wrote:



: Greetings --

: 

: Paul sniped:

: 

: >>And I'll bet they mixed Formula One with water or milk, so does that

: mean we >>can report that "some folks have reported that there have

: been deaths from >>water or milk?" 

: 

: 

: Think about it, Paul -- if you mixed arsenic with water or milk and drank

: it, which do you think is going to kill you?  The arsenic, of course --

: not the water or the milk.

: 

: Camilla's original intention here was to warn people to be careful when

: using herbal medicines.  That was my intention also.  I use them for

: just about everything -- flu, headaches, colds, etc...  but I've

: also been doing it for a long time.  People who are new to herbals

: should be careful, and consult with a competent medical professional

: that practices herbal healing.  There's no reason for you to attack

: her (or me) personally.  You're only showing your ignorance, where

: Camilla is showing her intelligence and careful thought.

: 

: Peace,

: 

: SCJ



Can't recall if this 'Paul' refers to me, but I did not write the above. IN ANY

CASE, though, Camilla, as likeable as she is in some ways, actively promotes the

ideological writings of Tyler, who misconstrues much and has no particular grasp

of formula herbalism. She is fond of stating that all herbals are drugs, which

of course they are not. Her 'intention' then, is not simply to warn. It is

ideologically to warn against, often using exaggerated means.





The attack is to those views. If I somehow seemed to be attacking you or her,

and you were trying to be reasonable (sometimes I have little patience with very

foolish statements or really nasty snipes at me), then I apologize.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Where Can I Get A Catalog?

From: ez021508@bambam.ucdavis.edu (Michael Jeffrey)

Date: 30 Apr 1995 23:19:05 GMT



I am interested in being able to buy herbs 

through the mail, but I'm not sure where I

should write/call to get a catalog of a 

company's products.



I get a catalog from a company who I purchase

*vitamins* through, but their herbal section

is relatively small.  (They only carry about

15 types of individual herbs in capsule, table,

and tea forms. I'm looking for a wide selection.)



Any help is appreciated.



Michael

ez021508@peseta.ucdavis.edu



BTW, I'm new to this group and I'm wondering,

Is there a FAQ I can get somewhere?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Where Can I Get A Catalog?

From: kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

Date: 5 May 1995 15:27:07 GMT



I UPS herbs all over the world daily.  I have close to 200 herbs,

including some Chinese herbs.  If I don't have something, I can

ussually get it for you.  e-mail me for more info., or check

out my web catalogue.

Bright Blessings,

Kamala

-- 

KAMALA PERFUMES: quality aromatherapy and herbal supplies

E-mail us for more info., or check our Web page:

http://www.prairienet.org/business/kamala/homepage.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Where Can I Get A Catalog?

From: brucepeter@aol.com (BrucePeter)

Date: 14 May 1995 18:00:53 -0400



Michael,

My wife, Donna is an Holistic Counselor.  She buys all her herbs

encapsulated for consistency and quality from the worlds largest herb

maker, Nature's Sunshine in Utah.  You can call her directly for more

information at "Healthy Alternatives" at 516-661-4187.  OR you can e-mail

me back at: BrucePeter@AOL.com if you would like me to have her send you

an ordering form in the mail.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: BEE POLLEN

From: JANRUH@delphi.com

Date: 30 Apr 1995 23:27:51 GMT



   >take one-fourth of a tablet and let it dissolve under the tongue and pay

   > attention to any feelings or reactions that might cause concern.  

   >Does not happen often, but it sure will not hurt to take the safe 

   >route.  By the way, you will love the pollen.



   Thanks, Jody. What benefits have you seen from it? How long should

 someone expect it to take to see some results? Thanks again.

Jan



Rainbow V 1.13.2 for Delphi - Registered





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ANY HERBS TO HELP GET PREGNANT?!?!?!?

From: susan cibik <sdc129@psu.edu>

Date: 30 Apr 1995 23:55:49 GMT



  Hi. I'm new to the group so I hope I'm not repeating something, but

does anyone know of any herbs to take which help one become pregnant?

My hubby is OK so it's not him. I would like to try something natural

before I have to go through a bunch of tests. It's been almost 2 years.

Any suggestions?



                                     Thanks in advance, susan

                          





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ANY HERBS TO HELP GET PREGNANT?!?!?!?

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 5 May 1995 09:43:14 GMT



jeanne@netlanta.com (Jeanne Colin) wrote:

>

> try looking at Hygeia: A Woman's Herbal by Jeannine Parvati Dev. it's got 

> loads of sections devoted to nothing but fertility. 

> 

> i wish i hadn't given it away.



See posting this group last week from "The Healing Garden" Michael Bailes

Kangaroo Press 1994/5.

Also Francesca Nash has wriiten book on subject"Natural Fertility"

Don't know publisher.

her Phone Fax  is  (Int Aus) 54 72 4922 (Australia).

Michael Bailes

The Fragrant Garden Australia.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: sdc129@psu.edu

Subject: Re: ANY HERBS TO HELP GET PREGNANT?!?!?!?

From: David Krumlauf <david@traverse.com>

Date: 10 May 1995 14:10:09 GMT



Have you tried evening primrose oil and Siberian ginseng? You could also 

try Dong Qui and Damiana too. Maybe a trip to the Virgin Islands would be 

helpful.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ANY HERBS TO HELP GET PREGNANT?!?!?!?

From: gmericks@aol.com (Gmericks)

Date: 18 May 1995 21:56:34 -0400



I read in "Herbs" (can't remember the author) that yams have a natural

hormone and eating them may help enhance fertility.



Good luck





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ANY HERBS TO HELP GET PREGNANT?!?!?!?

From: KMAD41A@prodigy.com (Lisa Mitchem)

Date: 19 May 1995 20:04:54 GMT



I love herbal teas, especially with different mints. I've got 7 children 

but I don't know if the tea helped. I will look and see if I can find 

anything in one of my books or by asking around.

-

                                          Lisa





   KMAD41A@prodigy.com   

                                  

                                   





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ANY HERBS TO HELP GET PREGNANT?!?!?!?

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 21 May 1995 22:37:40 GMT



Gmericks (gmericks@aol.com) wrote:

: I read in "Herbs" (can't remember the author) that yams have a natural

: hormone and eating them may help enhance fertility.



Usually people posting on here are recommending yams as a method of 

preventing pregnancy rather than enhancing fertility.  In fact, it's 

neither.  The yams story is based on the fact that in the 1940s the doc 

who was one half of the team that invented the Pill (Djerassi) was able 

to extract a sterol compound from wild yams that, with lots of tinkering 

in the lab, he was able to convert into the first orally active progestin.

The progestin does not exist in yams in the natural state nor does the 

human body convert this substance into any hormones (or at least not any 

more than it does the cholesterol found in eggs and meat to hormones).  



Word is that the yams are inedible but I haven't tried them myself.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ANY HERBS TO HELP GET PREGNANT?!?!?!?

From: Stephanie Goble <Stephaniex_goble@ccm.ch.intel.com>

Date: 24 May 1995 00:49:19 GMT



gmericks@aol.com (Gmericks) wrote:

>

> I read in "Herbs" (can't remember the author) that yams have a natural

> hormone and eating them may help enhance fertility.

> 

> Good luck



The tropical yam is the material from which the hormones used in

birth control pills are extracted: they contain a lot of various

"sex" hormones.  It is debatable whether they would increase or

decrease fertility.

The ancient recipes for fertility control were VERY specific about

the timing and dosage of the concoctions - what increases fertility

at one point in the cycle might decrease fertility another.



The common yam from the grocery store isn't going to do much.



Stephanie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ANY HERBS TO HELP GET PREGNANT?!?!?!?

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 27 May 1995 05:09:15 GMT

--------

Stephanie Goble (Stephaniex_goble@ccm.ch.intel.com) wrote:

: The tropical yam is the material from which the hormones used in

: birth control pills are extracted: they contain a lot of various

: "sex" hormones.  It is debatable whether they would increase or

: decrease fertility.

: The ancient recipes for fertility control were VERY specific about

: the timing and dosage of the concoctions - what increases fertility

: at one point in the cycle might decrease fertility another.



*What* ancient recipes?  I'm looking for any indication or reference that 

yams have been used for birth control by any group of people in the world.

If you have information about any specific group of people, please post it.

Thank you.



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           Camilla Cracchiolo, RN   camilla@primenet.com



        Shrine of the Cybernetic Madonna BBS  213-766-1356

"The board that Hates Rush Limbaugh *and* Newt Gingrich With A Passion"

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ANY HERBS TO HELP GET PREGNANT?!?!?!?

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: 27 May 1995 23:04:13 +0100



>

I agree with Camilla (for a change....)the Dioscorea equals sex hormone

myth just won't lay down and die. The Searle Process originally used

diosgenin from wild yams as a steroidal precusor until the Mexican

Government nationalised the industry in 1970 forcing prices through the

roof and rendering other natural sources (of which there are hundreds if

not thousands) and finally total synthesis economically viable. There is a

more recent Diosgenin export trade from Yunnan in China from local

Dioscorea spp but this has not turned the clock back for Western

contraceptive manufacture as far as I know.



Either way diosgenin itself cannot be called a contraceptive agent, either

in ancient time or any other epoch.



The effect of ingesting naturally occurring steroidal precursors  remains 

partially understood, although Wild Yam is  generally credited with a

progesterone like effect as opposed to oestrogenic effect herbs such as

Angelica. This is distinct from balancing actions on sex hormone

interaction - such as Vitex. 



To return to the original question of the thread - there are some very

skilled and experienced naturopathic OBGYN practitioners (such as Tori

Hudson ND at NCNM Portland) who have a good deal of experience with herbs

and other modalities. The complexity of fertility, conception etc issues

needs in depth individual consultation and experienced treatment -

absolutely  not suitable subjects for quickie questions in the Usenet Im

afraid.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Friend with acne

From: dawn@MCS.COM (Dawn E. Kuczwara)

Date: 30 Apr 1995 20:12:33 -0500



SCJOSEPH (scjoseph@aol.com) wrote:

: Greetings --



: Try echinacea and goldenseal capsules.  They fight infection and

: irritation like antibiotics do, but without the nasty side-effects.  Also,

: tell your friend s/he is lucky to have acne now, instead of as an adult. 

: (I know that sounds crazy -- keep reading).  I read a study in JAMA that

: said (in a very small nutshell) that people who have mild (as opposed to

: cystic) acne as teens show less signs of aging as adults.  When I was a

: teenager (I'm 27 now) I had great skin.  It was only once I turned 24 that

: I began to get occasional flare-ups.  I now use the echinacea/goldenseal

: combo, and it works fine. 



Another really great remedy is put 1 part oatmeal and 2 parts farina in a

blender (sorry to those of you who have seen me post this here before).  

Once you've got it into a powder, put about a $.25-sized amount in your

hand and a little water (only enough to make a thick paste).  Then put it

on the affected areas.  THIS WILL DRY YOUR SKIN, but not too much, and the

results that I've seen are well worth it.  



This receipe was given to a friend by a dermatologist after _nothing else_ 

would work.  He had sever acne at 21, and this got rid of it in two weeks.

Great for all over and small spots.



I used this when I was a kid (hit puberty early; had _bad_ acne before boys

knew what girls were - got teased 'cause I was the only only one, but had

great skin by the time everyone else got it!  :-)  It did wonders, and still

does for occasional flare ups.



Hope this helps!

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     For the best software for students and researchers, check out -

                        http://www.videos.com/smartA/

                           or call 1-800-453-8313





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: How many medicinal herbs cause cancer?

From: llazausk@maths.adelaide.edu.au (Leo Lazauskas)

Date: 1 May 1995 10:54:43 +0930



>adamtfg@ozemail.com.au (Adam Van Wirdum) wrote:

>>llazausk@maths.adelaide.edu.au (Leo Lazauskas) wrote:



>> I read recently that many common so-called medicinal herbs have

>> now been shown to be virulent carcinogens. Borage (borago officinalis)

>> came in for particularly harsh treatment in the article. Once thought

>> to be a cure for cancer, it induced tumors in every rat that munched

>> it. The herb that MSG comes from was also roundly condemned.



>> Are there any others that we should know about?



snip



>The CSIRO hate plants in borage family and have done quite a job on them.

>Unfortunatly they are relatted to Patterson's Curse & CSIRO

>want to (have) released biological control. Thus making it hard for Aust.

>farmers to grow borage, now very valuable because of the oils in its seed.



Is the oil valuable because it can readily induce tumors? It would certainly

be useful to cancer researchers, but would you use it as a salad dressing?



Leo "Lumpy" Lazauskas





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Looking for more ideas...

From: ar484@torfree.net (Adam M. Smith)

Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 01:46:30 GMT



Howdy all...  I'm looking for some help...



I'm a rank amateur herbalist (just enough info to get in trouble), and 

I'm presently working on development of a large herbal database program 

with commercial potential.  



The original idea came from an interest in wild plant identification and 

finding most books and resources woefully inadequate; what I needed was a 

database program to identify plants from leaf shape, colour, texture, 

habitat, stem type, flower, etc.  And what if the program could provide 

you with medicinal properties, germination and propagation info, recipes, 

etc....



What I'm looking for is ideas and suggestions as to what YOU would want 

an herbal database program do for you, what would you expect from it? 

Would you want to cross-reference all the plants good for sore throats 

that are indiginous to your part of the continent with a listing of 

potential side-effects and a lsiting of when they are in season, or do 

you just want to see what Amaneta looks like so you know not to eat it?

I want to know.



Please E-mail me with suggestions/ideas/etc rather than post here.



Much thanx in advance.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Looking for more ideas...

From: stuart@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Stuart Yeates)

Date: 2 May 1995 11:59:10 GMT



Adam M. Smith (ar484@torfree.net) wrote:



>What I'm looking for is ideas and suggestions as to what YOU would want 

>an herbal database program do for you, what would you expect from it? 

>Would you want to cross-reference all the plants good for sore throats 

>that are indiginous to your part of the continent with a listing of 

>potential side-effects and a lsiting of when they are in season, or do 

>you just want to see what Amaneta looks like so you know not to eat it?

>I want to know.



My part of "the continent" ? I don't live on any continent - Far more 

helpful would be grouping herbs by climate, and easy of growing.



Don't try and list all the posionous plants - you'll never get it complete



I would suggest that searching by the many folk names would be common.



And don't forget the differences in spelling across versions of english

in fields you're looking to search over.



Please if you do seasonal stuff, don't forget that people do actually

live in the southern hemisphere too.



--

Coming at you from the colonies

--

stuart

--

If I had it all to do over again, I'd spell creat with an "e".  - Kernighan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Vision improvement via yoga

From: Sally.Rawlins@bigbend.com (Sally Rawlins)

Date: 30 Apr 95 20:47:36 CST



I also would be most interested to read from all about  experiences with

alternative methods and practices for the improvement of vision. Has

anyone

read Aldous Huxley's _The Art of Seeing_?(It is a reprint from the

Creative Arts Book Company, 833 Bancroft Way, Berkeley, Ca., 94710.,

1982). 



My sister suffers from macular degeneration. I gave it to her and she

said, "I'll read anything, but this was so boring that the only good it

did me was to give my eyes a good rest every time I tried it: I always

fell asleep!"

Perhaps "anything" is relative; I found some helpful hints, though I must

admit that I looked at it piecemeal...



Visiting with all of you here is certainly eye-opening! Thanks.



--- Maximus 2.02





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Orris root essential oil

From: kimmai@aol.com (Kim Mai)

Date: 1 May 1995 01:18:10 -0400



>what do you use it for?



I don't know about the oil, but orris root powder works pretty well as a

dry shampoo.  You have to brush it out pretty thoroughly, though (and put

up with people such as my boyfried, who thinks it's awfully cute to watch

me take a "dust bath" :) )





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: NEED INFO ON GARCINIA CAMBOGIA

From: Epel (Daniel & Sharon Epel)

Date: 1 May 1995 06:26:36 GMT



Does anyone have any information/experience with GARCINIA CAMBOGIA,

sometimes going under the trade name CITRIMAX, being sold in health food

stores? It is being advertised as a weight loss aid. I would appreciate any

information about side effects - particularly  with regard to its effect on

the nervous system (i.e. as a  stimulant or depressant), recommended

dosage, toxicity, general safety, efficacy, and any other comments you

might have either from personal experience with the substance, or research

thereof.  Many thanks! 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: NEED INFO ON GARCINIA CAMBOGIA

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 6 May 1995 04:08:37 GMT



>Would citric acid do the same thing?

>Thanks.

> 

   No. Although they are chemical cousins, those are two totally different

things. Just like water (H2O) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) are chemical

cousins, they are quite different in their effects.



  Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

  drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: bright eye

From: jet@news.cinenet.net (Jet Silverman)

Date: 30 Apr 1995 23:35:13 -0700



Are you talking about eyebright? I use it for alergy problems and it 

works quite well. I also use it for eye swelling.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Acne relief

From: pattynyne@aol.com (Pattynyne)

Date: 1 May 1995 02:39:33 -0400



I don't know about garlic on the face.....hmm...with a little tomato

sauce....



anyway...I have mild acne..just a few flairups...mostly on chin area..now

and then....



but what works for me....is Aloe Vera...I recently started using it...I

break off a "stalk" and slit it open( like fileting a fish...) spread it

open...and rub all over just cleansed skin....it is kinda slimy...but rub

all of it on your face..and go to bed with it on...let it dry up on your

skin...your skin will get a little tight(Aloe Vera has some astringent

properties)..in the morning your skin will feel softer..and you will have

all this white dried peeling stuff on your face..wash it off....and then

use your mositurizer...I use just jojoba with geranium essential oil)

works great..do this treatment once a week..or more during bad

flareups....buy a plant..let it grow...and USE IT!!



Good Luck!



Patty





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Homemade shampoo or conditioner (Recipe)

From: Christi D.

Date: 1 May 1995 06:42:37 GMT



Sorry, can't find the original poster's address

but a very simple natural shampoo can be made with dried 

Soapwort (Saponaria)

You need approximately:

1 oz of dried soapwort

1 to 1 1/2 pts of water (pure/spring/distilled)

1 oz herbs of choice (based on what type of shampoo-see * note below)



Put boiling water on the dried soapwort and soak overnight.

Bring mixture to boil (in an enamel pan) and simmer, covered

for about 15-20 minutes. Stir in herbs, and store it, covered,

until it is cool enough to use. Strain before using.



* note: choose one or combination of herbs for properties desired.

Examples:

Marsh mallow is used for dry hair

Peppermint/Lavender used for oily hair

Marigold/Calendula for red hair

etc., etc., and so forth and so on and on and on

If the original poster has a particular type of hair/condition,

email me privately and I'll look up some particulars for you!



I know some who use a microwave for the simmering, but....

not me! I don't want to maybe (?) put something back in

water I have paid people to take stuff out of!! :)

Christi D.

*  E-mail: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: in search of a store

From: Christi D

Date: 1 May 1995 06:47:17 GMT



>    Also, while this is a tad off topic, does anyone know of any Druidic 

>  branches in the area...

>    Thanks!

>  

>  Moonsinger

>  

>  

Try alt.folklore.science?

There are also about 5 zillion lists for religions, if you can't get to

a newsgroup browser, email me and I'll look for you! I go through

it about once a week and will add it to my list.

Christi D

*  E-mail: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Heart Palpitations

From: smiller@pacifier.com (smiller)

Date: 1 May 1995 08:07:07 GMT



Well, I might suggest that you NOT, repeat, do NOT try Hawthorne berry.

 My herb books all suggest it as a possible remedy for heart problems. 

My best friend's mother was diagnosed with congestive heart failure.  I

had my friend buy Hawthorne berries from the local pharmacy to give to

her mom.  Her mother eventually recovered, but now has a new problem -

a heart murmur - which she did NOT have before taking the berries - and

of course, before the congestive heart failure.



Did the berries help her or hurt her?  I'd say they did more harm than

good.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Heart Palpitations

From: leeh@i-link.net (Lee Hall)

Date: 1 May 1995 22:09:31 GMT



In article <3o24rb$vgb@news.pacifier.com>, smiller@pacifier.com says...

>

>Well, I might suggest that you NOT, repeat, do NOT try Hawthorne berry.

> My herb books all suggest it as a possible remedy for heart problems. 

>My best friend's mother was diagnosed with congestive heart failure.  I

>had my friend buy Hawthorne berries from the local pharmacy to give to

>her mom.  Her mother eventually recovered, but now has a new problem -

>a heart murmur - which she did NOT have before taking the berries - and

>of course, before the congestive heart failure.

>

>Did the berries help her or hurt her?  I'd say they did more harm than

>good.  





	A murmur is not caused by something of this nature... Either it 

wasnt picked up on diagnosis or she could have had some other damage done 

to the heart (ie MI).



Lee





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Heart Palpitations

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat,  6 May 95 22:27:16 PST



In message ID <3o24rb$vgb@news.pacifier.com> on 5/1/95, smiller

<smiller@pacifier.com> wrote:



: Well, I might suggest that you NOT, repeat, do NOT try Hawthorne berry.

:  My herb books all suggest it as a possible remedy for heart problems. 

: My best friend's mother was diagnosed with congestive heart failure.  I

: had my friend buy Hawthorne berries from the local pharmacy to give to

: her mom.  Her mother eventually recovered, but now has a new problem -

: a heart murmur - which she did NOT have before taking the berries - and

: of course, before the congestive heart failure.

: 

: Did the berries help her or hurt her?  I'd say they did more harm than

: good.  



Don't be absurd. Hawthorn berries are utterly mild. You shouldn't jump to such

outlandish conclusions.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Diabetes

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 01:47:22 -0700



In article <3nlp8p$84i@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, pinsal@ix.netcom.com (Al

Pinsi) wrote:



> Does anyone have any experience with reducing blood sugar through the

> use of herbs? I am not interested in books or articles ... only actual

> experiences. Thanks



         I am not the diabetic but I and a friend of mine worked with a

grandmother who had poorly controlled diabetes.  We were successful in

using about 2-4oz of prickly pear juice (fresh or frozen expeller juiced

fruits) she went from using injectible insulin to  the hospital for

dropping her sugar so fast and not ajusting  the insulin. After she left

the hospital, she did not need  insulin or oral hypoglycemics, as long as

she kept up with the juice. I should add she did  follow a fairly

conservative diet .       I would also like to recommend   Michael Moore 

as  an herbal author, he is not just an academic herbalist, he has

experential information, from collection to the healing applications.   

In health Sharon Rust.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Diabetes

From: an662@yfn.ysu.edu (Douglas A. Bright)

Date: 16 May 1995 11:59:36 GMT





I have a friend who was recently diagnosed with Diabetes.  His doctor

told him that he was "out of balance" enough that just changing his diet

would not do and that he is going to have to take shots everyday.  Are there

any herbal alternatives.



Thanks in advance.



Doug Bright





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: marajuana is an herb to

From: covent@innet.be (Jean-Pierre Covent)

Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 01:56:53 -0700 (PDT)



bootonbarbar@bvc.edu wrote:

>	Mary Jane is the best herb and healer god created. Its to bad that 

>it is illegal. Its a wonderful thing that some people abuse.



>toy boy

Can you give me information where I can find on Internet the healing

properties of marajuana?



Many thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gluten -What is it?

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 01:58:42 -0700



In article <3nreii$q5v@ukelele.qnet.com>, Janelle  <janelle@qnet.com> wrote:



> Gluten is a protein found in wheat.  People who have "non-tropical 

> Sprue" "Gluten enduced enteropathy" or aka "Celiac Sprue" or simply 

> Celiac Disease are unable to digest this protein and therefore must 

> avoid it in their diet.  There are also some other diseases of the 

> intestinal tract that may also malabsorb this protein, such as: Crohn's 

> Disease and Ulcerative Colitis.

> 

> Believe me, it is a serious problem and these poor people have to go to 

> great lengths to find starchy type foods that resemble bread or noodles 

> that they can eat.



          Gluten is not only found in wheat , it is also found in oats,

barley, and rye, in some places I have read millet.  The grains  gluten

free are rice and corn, amaranth, I personaly have had no trouble with

millet and am still courious about it.  There is a higher incidence of

gluten intolarance in people of Irish desent.  The intolarance affects the

small intestine.      SMH-R





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Astragalus?

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 02:04:58 -0700



In article <69713-799078244@mindlink.bc.ca>,

Elizabeth_Toews@mindlink.bc.ca (Elizabeth Toews) wrote:



> In article <799050832snz@filtermx.demon.co.uk>, David@filtermx.demon.co.uk

> (David Powner) writes:

> >

> > Msg-ID: <799050832snz@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

> > References: <bob_clemmons-2504951608290001@m33008.svl.trw.com>

> > Posted: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 06:33:52 +0000

> >

> > Org.  : Micronair Engineering

> >

> > In article <bob_clemmons-2504951608290001@m33008.svl.trw.com>

> >            bob_clemmons@smtp.svl.trw.com "Bob Clemmons" writes:

> > >

> > > I have chronic fatigue syndrome and have heard that astragalus is an

> > > effective herb in strengthening the immune system.  Does anybody have

> > any

> > > experience with it?

> > >

> > The only Astragalus that I know of is the ankle bone! Is there also a

> > herb

> > of the same name?

> > --

> > David Powner                   Internet: David@filtermx.demon.co.uk

> > Micronair {Pollution Control}  Phone   :(01782) 565816

> > 1 Blackthorn Place             Fax     :(01782) 565834

> > Newcastle under Lyme           Data    :(01782) 562213 (24hr BBS to V32)

> > ST5 7BE          U.K.          Mobile  : 0831 879135

> 

> 

> Yes, there is a herb called Astragalus (Astragalus membranaceus)

> Part Used:   Root

> Body Systems Targeted:  Immune, Respiratory.

> 

> Application:

> -builds resistance to disease, strengthens immune system

> -helps combat fatigue

> -viral infections

> -protein in urine

> 

> Best Health Wishes

> 

> 

> --

> 

> Elizabeth Toews    Back To Nature Products

> Ind. Distributor for Nature's Sunshine Products and Fine Herbs

> email:  elizabeth_toews@mindlink.bc.ca



           Astragalus is milk vetch, I don't know where A. membranaceus

grows so I don't know if it is similar to what I know as milk

vetch.         SMH-R





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Astragalus?

From: Jay_Mann@equinox.gen.nz (Jay Mann)

Date: 6 May 1995 00:27:24 GMT



BILL CUNEO (bill.cuneo@wdn.com) wrote:

: -> Astragalus is notorious for poisoning sheep and cattle, because many

: -> species accumulate toxic levels of selenium.  Apparently some

: -> geologists look for the presence of Astragalus plants, as an

: -> indication of the kind of ores to be found underground.

: 

: Jay, interesting that a New Zealander should talk about selenium and

: concentration in plants.. brings to mind something I heard years ago

: that selenium was recognized as an important biological element because

: cattle in New Zealand got the shakes from slenium deficiency.. the

: soils of  New Zealand were allegedly naturally deficient in Se..



Yes, our South Island soils (there are 2 main islands) are formed from base

rocks naturally low in selenium.  Our wheat flour is down around the

selenium level of Finland, but not as low as the Chinese province where

about 1/3 the adolescents used to suffer from selenium deficiency heart

disease.  (Now the chinese add selenium supplements.)  Our Health Depresists

legal moves to force selenium supplementation to the soils or wheat.



Anyhow, I try to buy baked goods made from imported australian wheat, eat a

lot of seafood, and take occasional selenium supplement pills.  Many locals

take selenium supplements made for sheep.  (Without these supplements, the

animals can die of a muscle-wasting disease.)



New Zealand has pioneered in several areas.  Not just in selenium, but also

in discovering the dangers of pyrrolizidine alkaloids to cattle (and

people).  What used to be called "Winton's disease", from the name of

region, was a place where horses and cattle would suddenly die of liver

problems.  The Ministry of Agriculture discovered that the disease came from

feeding on pastures containing Senecio, even though that feeding could have

been weeks before disease symptoms arose.  (Comfrey has similar alkaloids to

Senecio.)



And a final NZ discovery: statistical evaluation of factors affecting the

risk of cot death in infants:-- smoking by parents, and the sleeping

position of the baby.



Jay D Mann  <jmann@equinox.gen.nz>

Christchurch, New Zealand





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Astragalus?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun,  7 May 95 20:17:15 PST



In message ID <3o3v1b$qrd@southern.co.nz> on 5/1/95, Jay Mann

<Jay_Mann@equinox.gen.nz> wrote:



: Bob Clemmons (bob_clemmons@smtp.svl.trw.com) wrote:

: : I have chronic fatigue syndrome and have heard that astragalus is an

: : effective herb in strengthening the immune system.  Does anybody have any

: : experience with it?

: 

: Astragalus is notorious for poisoning sheep and cattle, because many

: species accumulate toxic levels of selenium.  Apparently some

: geologists look for the presence of Astragalus plants, as an

: indication of the kind of ores to be found underground.

: 

: Are you really sure you want to take this material?

: 

: Jay D Mann



Don't get wound up. Astragalus is a very large genus of plants, many of which

are 'locoweeds'--but not all. --Astragalus membranaceous--, the herbal in

question, is VERY safe. The LD50 in rats is approximately 40g/kg, which is a

huge amount. Doses as large as 100g/kg were given to rats by lavage with no

observable untoward effect. It has been used by humans for three millenia. There

are no records of toxicity from human use.



NONETHELESS, it is not necessarily a good herbal for any case of  CFS (as I

stated in my other post on this thread).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Astragalus?

From: boroson@spot.Colorado.EDU (BOROSON BRAM S)

Date: 13 May 95 00:42:40 GMT



p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) writes:



>NONETHELESS, it is not necessarily a good herbal for any case of CFS (as I

>stated in my other post on this thread).



>From  my brother Matthew Boroson:



"For CFS I recommend an herbal combination called essiac.  Essiac is a

combination of 5 herbs, traditionally used by native Americans--primarily

sheep sorrel and burdock.  A Canadian doctor named Rene Caisse brought

it to public attention; John F. Kennedy's personal physician thought it was great."



"You can find it under the name flor-essence, or from Gaia herbs as

sheep sorrel burdock supreme."



Bram



>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



>--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ephedra and Breathe Easy Tea

From: lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Leesa J Kern)

Date: 1 May 1995 15:58:10 GMT



Whether or not you can order it through the mail, my sister lives in NC, and 

will be sending me some, so if the person who started this thread could e-mail 

me, I'd be willing to share what she sends me :)



leesa



******************************************************************************

Leesa J. Kern                          lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Dept. of Sociology, OSU



The French criticize the Americans for not giving the world anything but

rock 'n' roll and Harley-Davidsons.  But what else is there?" --Peter Fonda

******************************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew

From: srichard@nmt.edu (Scott Richardson)

Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 17:49:23 GMT



In article <steffan.10.0008DF82@mbnet.mb.ca>,

Cindi Steffan <steffan@mbnet.mb.ca> wrote:

>Does anyone know of any adverse affects from taking Feverfew?  My Mother wants 

>to try it for her migraines but read in the Richter's Herb Catalogue (I think) 

>that sometimes this can happen.  I have been unable to verify from my books 

>what these may be.  Thanks.





I got Feverfew for my mother for her migrains.  She said that she

hasn't felt this good and this free from migraines in years.



Sincerely,

Scott





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew

From: Karen.Gaughan@nefb.icontech.com (Karen Gaughan)

Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 18:39:22 -0500



SR> In article <steffan.10.0008DF82@mbnet.mb.ca>,

 SR> Cindi Steffan <steffan@mbnet.mb.ca> wrote:

>>Does anyone know of any adverse affects from taking Feverfew?  My Mother wants

>>to try it for her migraines but read in the Richter's Herb Catalogue (I think)

>>that sometimes this can happen.  I have been unable to verify from my books 

>>what these may be.  Thanks.



 SR> I got Feverfew for my mother for her migrains.  She said that she

 SR> hasn't felt this good and this free from migraines in years.



 SR> Sincerely,

 SR> Scott



Karen Gaughan



... Strike it RICH, with Silver Xpress!

--- Via Silver Xpress V4.01P SW12009





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew

From: tonyl@treehouse.org (Tony Lauria)

Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 12:01:12 -0800



In article <5o08iQx.ianmercer@delphi.com>, ianmercer@delphi.com wrote:



> Yes I can heartily recommned fewerfew as a migraine sufferer myself.

> Because it tastes rather bitter I would recommend it in sandwiches or a salad.



Can you recommend what form to get this in.  I have an advertisement in a

magazine that is by the Natures Way company and their product is called

Migrafew. Does anyone know of this particular product?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Feverfew

From: SPMCGROA@ARTSHH.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Sean Patrick McGroarty)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 16:49:50 GMT



Hi.



I'm new to this group.  I was wondering if anyone can provide me with info 

re: feverfew.  My girlfriend suffers from migraines and I heard that 

feverfew can be used to prevent them.  Are there any side effects, etc.?



Also, I would appreciate any other techniques for migraine prevention and/or 

cure as none of the drugs prescribed by the neurologist have had any 

impact.  My girlfriend has been experiencing her current migraine for three 

weeks now.



Thanks for your help,



Sean.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sean Patrick McGroarty





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew

From: Marylin.Kraker@BBS.C4Systm.COM (Marylin Kraker)

Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:20:07 GMT



Feverfew is Chrysanthemum parthenium, a hardy perennial with daisy-like

flowers and mum-like leaves. It's been used for migraine for centuries.



The original method was to eat several leaves per day, with bread. The only

side effect I've ever seen listed is that you could get mouth sores,

probably from eating the raw leaves.



Now, most people get it at a health food store dried in capsules. You can

take one or more per day.



Feverfew is used to prevent migraines and has to be taken every day. It may

not prevent all of them, if the triggers are too strong, but in my personal

experience it seems to prevent many that would be expected, and those you do

get shouldn't be as bad.



There have actually been studies by the formal medical establishment that

show that feverfew works (published in Lancet and some other journals). But

the drug companies can't patent herbs, so look for it in the health food

stores. Sometimes the capsules are combinations with other herbs, such as

one called Migrelief, or other brand names.



Health,



Marylin





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew

From: diyana@btf.com (Diyana)

Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 23:59:39 GMT



I have had great success with Feverfew in treating and preventing

migraines.  I have heard of some nasty mouth sore side effects if you

ingest the leaves or the tea, which is why I have always purchased the

capsules.  I have had no side effects.  I have never taken more than two

tablets at a time when I have a migraine and never more than the dosage

recommended on the bottle.  I have taken one capsule once or twice a day

for prevention.



Good luck but don't overdo.





diyana





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help please, wart problem!

From: leeh@i-link.net (Lee Hall)

Date: 1 May 1995 22:00:56 GMT



In article <3o03ee$nnh@netaxs.com>, maruca@cpcn.com says...

>

>Years ago I killed off warts by coating them with clear nail polish. It

>seemed that something about depriving them air killed the whole system.

>I applied the nail polish to one on my finger, but it also caused the

>plantar warts to shrivel and fall out. This was at least 30 years ago,

>so I don't remember who introduced me to the theory, but in my case, it

>did work.



	depriving the area of oxygen will kill the associated tissue and 

the ingredients of nailpolish is caustic. Putting it on normal skin will 

over time cause skin to sluff off. While I'm not overly supprised of your 

results... I wounder about the tissue around the wart?



Lee Hall





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help please, wart problem!

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu,  4 May 95 10:19:55 PST



On 4/28/95 at 5:56 AM, Honasoge Dayananda <hdayanan@be0958> wrote:



: Basma Jazairi (bj5916@u.cc.utah.edu) wrote:

: : Well, someone please give some info on fighting (flat) warts.

: : What do you do when they suddenly happen on your face? (they never

: : happened before, and doctors says they will go away and there is

: : nothing could be done ... meanwhile, just let them grow ?!)

: 

: One of my friends had the same problem, actually he had

: his whole neck area covered with warts. He underwent Homeopathic

: treatment, believe it or not he got rid of the warts in a month.



Sorry the rest of the message was cut off. But if this individual got rid of all

those warts in a month, and they didn't come back , then he is the victim of

------homeopathic------ disease suppression, which is very, very unfortunate.



--Paul [p_iannone@pop.com]



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pantethine

From: trp.fish@ix.netcom.com (Robert Katz, M.D.)

Date: 2 May 1995 11:18:47 GMT



I use a great deal of pantethine for myself and my daughter or both

cholesterol and more importantly allergies.  Only problem is that it's

so expensive in locl health foods store.



Could anyone give me the name/addrress of a mail order house that

pantethine can be obtained cheaper



                            Thankyou



Bob Katz



e-mail to trpclfish@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pantethine

From: trp.fish@ix.netcom.com (Robert Katz, M.D.)

Date: 13 May 1995 01:49:33 GMT



I am interested in purchasing pantethine through a mail order catalog. 

Price of pantethine too steep in health food stores. Can anyone refer

me to a mail order catalog that sells pantethine?



Thankyou                  Bob Katz                 Bellmore N.Y.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Essential Oils

From: stuart@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Stuart Yeates)

Date: 2 May 1995 11:48:15 GMT



As I understand it Essential Oils are made by boiling the plant (or 

parts there of) and collecting the oil that comes off. Am I correct

so far ?



I would like to learn to collect the essential oils, but I don't want

to go to a lot of trouble collecting the stuff only to ruin it. In 

short, I'd like to practice (I have a great tendency to burn things). 

Is there some common plant I can practice on ?



Does it matter if I collect the herb of a period of weeks and then

boil it up or should it be done all at once ?



--

Please don't send me email

--

stuart

--

If I had it all to do over again, I'd spell creat with an "e".  - Kernighan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Essential Oils

From: mhoneth@inforamp.net

Date: 11 May 1995 17:02:17 -0400



In alt.folklore.herbs dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski) said: 

 

 

>On Tue. May  2, 1995, stuart@csc.canterbury.ac. told All:  

> sca> As I understand it Essential Oils are made by boiling the plant (or 

>    > parts there of) and collecting the oil that comes off. Am I correct 

>    > so far ? 

>  

> sca> I would like to learn to collect the essential oils, but I don't 

>    > want to go to a lot of trouble collecting the stuff only to ruin it.



>    > In short, I'd like to practice (I have a great tendency to burn 

>    > things). Is there some common plant I can practice on ?  

>Roses. Just under do it, and you have rose water, still useful. Under do

it  

>less and less until you get it where you want it. Well, heck, it made

sense to  

>me when I thought it.  

> * 2qwk! 1.26b3 * I'm nobody's fool.  I'm a freelance. 

> 

> 

>-- 

>dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on. 

 

 

Boiling plants is NOT the way to make Essential oils.  There are 7

different ways of doing it; and most of them take years to get the

technique right.  The most popular way that I know of for flowers is when

the plant it immersed into acetone or alcohol and then distilled.  The rest

are pretty complicated.  What you could go for is making an infused oil or

a tincture. 

 

Infusion:  fill a jar with the plant and cover with oil, then leave it in

the sun for a few weeks (or Gently heat it), then drain.  This method can

be repeated using the same oil to make the perfume stronger. 

 

Tincture: Infuse the plant matter in alcohol or vinegar for 6 months, then

strain and re-infuse. 

 

Have fun. 

Carol @ Michael Honeth 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs & Amino Acids for Pain Relief

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 2 May 1995 12:38:21 GMT



Please advise of effective herbal remedies and amino acid supplementes

for muscle pain relief.Please E mail me response. Am very interested in

role of amino acids in muscle pain relief.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gymnema Sylvestr, what is it?

From: geg3@kutztown.edu (Gael E Grossman RACC)

Date: 2 May 1995 13:28:21 GMT



I've been asked by a friend about Gymnema Sylvestre [Shardunika].  So 

far, I've had no luck finding out any informatino about it.  Does anyone 

have a description of just what this is or is used for, or what shardunka 

means?



I'd appreciate any help,

Gael Grossman

geg3@kutztown.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: poison Ivy Cure

From: us19243@vm.cc.latech.edu (Steve & Kay DeFreese)

Date: 2 May 1995 20:24:36 GMT



Is there any herbal treatment for poison ivy.



us19243@vm.cc.latech.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: poison Ivy Cure

From: anahita@aol.com (Nighthunter)

Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 09:26:58 -0500



In article <3o64e4$407@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu>, us19243@vm.cc.latech.edu

(Steve & Kay DeFreese) wrote:



> Is there any herbal treatment for poison ivy.

> 

First: Make sure to wash with a strong soap. Dial, Zest, etc. probably

aren't strong enough. Fells Naptha is, as are most dishwashing liquids.

Also be sure to wash clothes in hot water with plenty of detergent, then

rinse well with a cup of vinegar in the last rinse (to get rid of all the

soap)



If you are out in the woods, look for little orange flowers on plants

growing near poison ivy. It's called jewelweed and is a specific for

poison ivy irritation.



At home, use aloe vera gel, fresh from the plant is best. Oatmeal baths

are soothing.



Our MD told us to avoid calamine lotion with antihistamines added. Plain

calamine is just fine. The antihistamines should be administered

INTERNALLY, if needed.



My younger son is terribly allergic to poison ivy, coming near to

requiring hospitalization. We have learned to cope over the years.

Good luck

-- 

Still looking for a Clue





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: poison Ivy Cure

From: tkeenan@uoguelph.ca (Timothy J Keenan)

Date: 5 May 1995 14:59:30 GMT



Nighthunter (anahita@aol.com) wrote:



: If you are out in the woods, look for little orange flowers on plants

: growing near poison ivy. It's called jewelweed and is a specific for

: poison ivy irritation.



I don't dispute what you say, but there may be lots of plants with orange 

flowers that aren't "jewel weed".  It is useful to know what plant you 

are really talking about, when you go looking for a herbal remedy.  I 

presume the one you are talking about is _Impatiens_ _sp._ (Can't recall 

the specific epithet off hand).  It is also known as touch-me-not, for 

the fact that its seed-pods dehisce explosively when touched.  

Unfortunately for poison ivy sufferers, this plant is not nearly as 

cosmopolitan as _Toxicodendron_ _radicans_ or _T._ _vernix_ (poison 

oak).  It is quite specific in its habitat requirements, liking rich, 

loamy, near-neutral moist forest soil and dappled shade. It *may* grow in 

the southern US, but I don't recall having seen it there.  I doubt that 

it grows in the west.  Poison ivy grows on everything from sand and bare 

limestone to swamps, from boreal forest to the tropics.  

  

And of course, there is always the possibility that you mean something 

quite different when you say jewel-weed.



Does anyone know what it is about jewel-weed that helps with poison ivy? 

....and whether it is specific to p.i. or works on other kinds of weeping 

dermatitis?



Curious minds want to know.



Tim Keenan

Cliff Ecology Research Group

Botany Department

University of Guelph

Guelph, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: poison Ivy Cure

From: gmericks@aol.com (Gmericks)

Date: 18 May 1995 21:56:49 -0400



Another note on jewelweed, the herb with small orange flowers that grows

in woods.  It grows near nettle too, and it conveniently takes the sting

out of nettle stings and poison ivy.  You have to use it quickly, but it's

great.  The leaves are a bright sort of green, the plant stem is thin and

watery, and the vein in the leaf can be seen only half way down the leaf. 

It only flowers in the fall.  Take the stem and rub it on the place, the

stem is weak enough it will break open and it is watery inside, it spreads

easy.



Good luck.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: poison Ivy Cure

From: xdcrlab@quake.net (Mike Davis)

Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 11:45:34 -0800



In article <3o64e4$407@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu>, us19243@vm.cc.latech.edu

(Steve & Kay DeFreese) wrote:



> Is there any herbal treatment for poison ivy.

> 

I go with Hyland's homeopathic Poison Oak/Ivy tablets.  The ingredients

are herbal.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: poison Ivy Cure

From: chrispru@aol.com (ChrisPru)

Date: 7 May 1995 17:08:55 -0400



>Is ther any cure for Poison Ivy?



My favorite is Touch-Me-Nots, which often grow in the same areas as Poison

Ivy.  Mash up the leaves and stems and apply to the affected area, or make

a decoction if you have water and fire handy.  Works great!



Chris





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: poison Ivy Cure

From: Marylin.Kraker@BBS.C4Systm.COM (Marylin Kraker)

Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 10:38:17 GMT



: My favorite is Touch-Me-Nots, which often grow in the same areas as Poison

: Ivy.  Mash up the leaves and stems and apply to the affected area, or make

: a decoction if you have water and fire handy.  Works great!



: Chris



These are also called Jewel-Weed, or Impatiens (sorry, don't remember the

rest of the botanical name). The ripe seed pods explode on touch, throwing

the seeds, hence the name touch-me-not.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: poison Ivy Cure

From: tonyl@treehouse.org (Tony Lauria)

Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 11:29:44 -0800



In article <3ojct7$7vj@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, chrispru@aol.com (ChrisPru)

wrote:



> >Is ther any cure for Poison Ivy?

> 

> My favorite is Touch-Me-Nots, which often grow in the same areas as Poison

> Ivy.  Mash up the leaves and stems and apply to the affected area, or make

> a decoction if you have water and fire handy.  Works great!

> 

> Chris



What about Poison Oak?  This stuff has powers beyond prednisone.  Can

anyone say how they can really effect an immunity to this?  Homeopathy

doesn't seem to do it, nor any other natural remedy.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: poison Ivy Cure

From: kathjokl@aol.com (Kathjokl)

Date: 11 May 1995 00:29:52 -0400



Urinate on the affected area.

I've never used this"remedy" but since it is the most interesting remedy

I've ever heard of, and it certainly is natural,I thought it would be fun

to put out there and perhaps some brave soul will give it a try and report

on the results.  The suggestion comes from Rosemary Gladstar who is a very

good herbalist so its at least worth considering.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: poison Ivy Cure

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon, 15 May 95 18:54:15 PST



In message ID <tonyl-0905951129440001@199.181.127.138> on 5/9/95, Tony Lauria

<tonyl@treehouse.org> wrote:



: What about Poison Oak?  This stuff has powers beyond prednisone.  Can

: anyone say how they can really effect an immunity to this? 

: Homeopathy doesn't seem to do it, nor any other natural remedy.



On what basis? Homeopathy is person-by-person therapy. The fact that the

isopathic and combination OTC remedy approaches are less than fabulously

effective does not rule out homeopathy's constitutional effect for individuals.

Remember that imbalancing entities can only affect those who 'vibrate' at that

level. The very healthy and the very sick may both be out of reach of Rhus'

effects.



In addition, in people who have underlying psoric and other miasmatic illnesses

(which is a huge percentage), the allergic effects of Rhus may actually be in

part a homeopathic effect under Hering's Law of Cure. The body may react to a

very strong degree as an OUTLET. In these cases, nontreatment or very, very mild

therapy would be the only proper approach, and 'effective' topical treatments

would be quite dangerous.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: poison Ivy Cure

From: towens@sol.ashland.edu (Thomas J. Owens)

Date: 21 May 1995 03:03:31 GMT



Paul Iannone (p_iannone@pop.com) wrote:

: In message ID <tonyl-0905951129440001@199.181.127.138> on 5/9/95, Tony Lauria

: <tonyl@treehouse.org> wrote:



: : What about Poison Oak?  This stuff has powers beyond prednisone.  Can

: : anyone say how they can really effect an immunity to this? 

: : Homeopathy doesn't seem to do it, nor any other natural remedy.



: On what basis? Homeopathy is person-by-person therapy. The fact that the

: isopathic and combination OTC remedy approaches are less than fabulously

: effective does not rule out homeopathy's constitutional effect for individuals.

: Remember that imbalancing entities can only affect those who 'vibrate' at that

: level. The very healthy and the very sick may both be out of reach of Rhus'

: effects.



: In addition, in people who have underlying psoric and other miasmatic illnesses

: (which is a huge percentage), the allergic effects of Rhus may actually be in

: part a homeopathic effect under Hering's Law of Cure. The body may react to a

: very strong degree as an OUTLET. In these cases, nontreatment or very, very mild

: therapy would be the only proper approach, and 'effective' topical treatments

: would be quite dangerous.



: --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



I didn't read the original posting to this thread, but from the response 

given by Paul, it sounds like something that happened to my wife. She was 

given Rhus (30C) to cure her rheumatoid arthritis. It worked so well that 

the doctor worked her up to 1M. It was like she hit a brick wall. She 

started to backslide and after about a month, was in more pain than when 

she had started the treatment. Her fingers (Which had become almost fully 

straight) started to bend inward again. The doctor put her back to 30C 

which didn't help. He finally put her on 6C, 3 times a day instead of the 

once a day for the other doses, and within a short time has regained all the 

ground she had lost. It was determined that she developed a sensitivity 

to Rhus and it 'overactivated' her body producing no effect, much as 

fibrillation pumps no blood.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: BOOKS

From: rdlong@wis.com (Bob Long)

Date: 3 May 1995 06:27:33 GMT



     greeting, I've been looking for a good book dealerwell I've found 

one and would like to share it, The sell Occult and Esoteric titles.  

They also buy and trade the same, They have an extensive listing of 

Herbal books, Best of all they offer 25% of off cover price.. they do 

offer a catalog email me if you r interested....





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Licorice Root

From: mike_opzoomer@dgc.ceo.dg.com (Spike)

Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 15:39:53 GMT



Hey all,



I have been taking Licorice Root tablets for about a month now. I was

told that they give you more energy, as well as act as an expectorant

(being the reformed smoker that I am, I was hoping it'd clean things

out down there!) 



Can anyone pass on the benefits/side effects of Licorice Root to me,

or point me to a Net Site where I can look it up myself?



Thanks,



Mike Opzoomer

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: fu622@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimberly A. Huff)

Date: 7 May 1995 16:16:19 GMT



In a previous article, mike_opzoomer@dgc.ceo.dg.com (Spike) says:



>Can anyone pass on the benefits/side effects of Licorice Root to me,

>or point me to a Net Site where I can look it up myself?



It can raise your blood pressure for one thing, so be careful and get your

checked regularly. You might also want to try smoking coltsfoot to help

clear out your lungs from the smoking. (yes, I said "smoke" it. <G>)



Daphne

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: mikz@primenet.com (Michael Zalar)

Date: 8 May 1995 12:32:37 GMT







: >Can anyone pass on the benefits/side effects of Licorice Root to me,

: >or point me to a Net Site where I can look it up myself?



  One of the things that I've found about liquorice, in my historical 

researches, it that it was very commonly added to other mixtures simply 

to make them more palatable.  If you have some rather bitter remedy, you 

may wish to try adding a bit of ground liquorice root to the mix...



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 13 May 1995 00:24:14 GMT



mikz@primenet.com (Michael Zalar) wrote:

>

> 

> 

> 

> : >Can anyone pass on the benefits/side effects of Licorice Root to me,

> : >or point me to a Net Site where I can look it up myself?

> 

>   One of the things that I've found about liquorice, in my historical 

> researches, it that it was very commonly added to other mixtures simply 

> to make them more palatable.  If you have some rather bitter remedy, you 

> may wish to try adding a bit of ground liquorice root to the mix...

> 

> 

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After ginseng licorice is China's favourite herb. It is agreat anti-inflamatory among

other things. There should be thousands of references to it in nearly every herb book.

MIchael TFG





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: jcw@eagle.ais.net (Jeannette Wilson)

Date: 10 May 1995 16:54:24 GMT



Kimberly A. Huff (fu622@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:



: In a previous article, mike_opzoomer@dgc.ceo.dg.com (Spike) says:



: >Can anyone pass on the benefits/side effects of Licorice Root to me,

: >or point me to a Net Site where I can look it up myself?



: It can raise your blood pressure for one thing, so be careful and get your

: checked regularly. You might also want to try smoking coltsfoot to help

: clear out your lungs from the smoking. (yes, I said "smoke" it. <G>)



: Daphne



   Also try looking in soc.support.transgendered for comments.  This

comes up there often as Licorice Root and Black Cohosh are frequently

used as estrogen substitutes by those who cannot / will not get real

estrogen.  Oh, btw, yes I am.



Huggses,   Jeannette  (reply to is screwed up - use jcw@eagle.ais.net)



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova)

Date: 10 May 95 17:33:43 GMT



Licorice is excellent for mucous membranes; it heals bronchitis and 

ulcers. It worked great for me and my mother. Look it up in "The Herb 

Book" by John Lust!



Ari



In <3oqr40$dqm@raptor.ais.net> jcw@eagle.ais.net (Jeannette Wilson) writes:



>Kimberly A. Huff (fu622@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:



>: In a previous article, mike_opzoomer@dgc.ceo.dg.com (Spike) says:



>: >Can anyone pass on the benefits/side effects of Licorice Root to me,

>: >or point me to a Net Site where I can look it up myself?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: chris@olive.ece.utexas.edu (Chris Griffin)

Date: 11 May 1995 19:08:06 GMT



(Regarding Licorice Root)

: It can raise your blood pressure for one thing, so be careful and get your

: checked regularly. 



Might this be good for people with Low blood pressure?

I think I am getting Low blood pressure from  a lot of 

meditation and Hatha Yoga.



Chris





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 11 May 1995 00:21:38 GMT



Ok, here is what Varro Tyler has to say:



"Licorice consists of the underground parts, technically the rhizone and 

roots of varieties of Glycyrrhiza glabra L....which possess a sweet yellow

wood.  It is often called licorice root or glycyrrhiza.  The root has been

used since very ancient times as a flavoring and for its expectorant and

demulcent properties in the treatment of coughs and colds.(1)



A very confusing situation exists concerning much so-called licorice

candy.  A great deal of it contains little or no licorice whatsoever,

but derives its flavor from anise oil.  The taste of licorice and

anise do resemble one another, but in other respects, including potential

toxicity, they are quite different.  It is unfortunate the more common,

harmless anise flavor is almost always referred to as licorice.



[deleted stuff]



Much of the sweetness of licorice is due to glycyrrhizin, also known

as glycyrrhizic acid, a saponin glycoside which occurs in the root

in concentrations averaging between 5 and 9%.  It is about 50 times

sweeter than sugar and is available commercially in a form known as

ammoniated glycyrrhizin.



During World War II, a Dutch physician noted that adminstration of

licorice extract produced marked improvement in patients suffering from

peptic ulcer, but serious side effects in the form of swelling of the

face and limbs were also observed.(2)  Since then, numerous reports of toxic 

effects have been recorded in the medical literature based on the 

observation of patients who ate large amounts of livorice candy over long 

periods of time.  One man who had eaten two or three 36-gram licorice 

candy bars daily for six to seven years became so weak he could not get 

out of bed.  He required hospitalization with intensive treatment for 

more than one month before recovering.(3)  Another person, previously in 

excellent health, ate 700 grams (about 1.5 pounds) of licorice candy in a 

nine-day period.  HIs condition necessitated four days of hospital 

treatment(4).  In a controlled experiment, about 100 to 200 grans of 

licorice twists, (equivalent to 0.7 to 1.4 grans of glycyrrhizin) eaten 

daily for periods of one to four weeks produced serious symptoms in a 

group of volunteers. (5)



Another interesting case involved an elderly man who chewed eight to 

twelve 3-ounce bags of chewing tobacco daily and swallowed the saliva 

produced.  He became so weak that he was unable to sit up or raise his 

arms above the horizontal position.  There was a prompt improvement when 

he was hospitalized and denied chewing tobacco.  Tests revealed that the 

brand he had been consuming contained more than 8% of licorice paste and 

that his usage amounted to between 0.88 and 1.33 grams of glycryyhizin 

per day, well within the toxic range.(6)



The medical literature refers to this condition as pseudoaldosteronism, 

meaning one similar to that brought about by excessive secretion of the 

adrenal cortex hormone, aldosterone.  In the case of licorice, the 

syndrome is caused by glycyrrhizin, the structure and physiological 

effects of which are related to aldosterone or desoxycorticosterone.  

Symptoms resulting from excessive quantities include headache, lethargy, 

sodium and water retention, excessive excretion of potassium, high blood 

pressure and even heart failure or cardiac arrest. (7)



One popular herbal cough remedy contains 1 ounce of licorice root in a 

quart of water.  Directions suggest that one-half pint be drunk at 

bedtime with additional quantities as needed. (8).  The half-pint dose 

could easily contain 0.5 gram of glycyrrhizin, and that daily amount 

might be doubled or tripled, depending on the fequency of use.  At that 

rate of consumption, toxic effects could observed after a single week.  

For persons suffering from high blood pressure or heart trouble, these 

could be serious.



Although licorice does have a flavor pleasing to many and may also have 

some utility in treating coughs as well as a number of other conditions, 

(9), it must be remembered that it is also a potent drug.  Large doses 

over extended periods of time are quite toxic. (10)"



References:



1.  V..E. Tyler, L.R. brady, and J.E. Roberrs: Pharmacognosy, 9th Ed. Lea 

    & Febiger, Philadelphia, 1988, pp 68-69



2.  C. Nieman: Chemist and Druggist 177: 741-745; 1962



3.  J.W. Conn, D.R. Rovner; and E.L. Cohen: Journal of the American 

    Medical Assn 205: 492-496, 1968



4.  T. J. Chamberlain: ibid 213: 1343, 1970



5.  M.T. Epstein, E.A. Espiner, R.A.Donald, and H.Hughes: British Medical 

    Journal 1: 488-490, 1977



6.  J.D.Blachley and J..P. Knochel: New England Journal of Medicine 

    302:784-785, 1980



7.  Anon: Medical Letter on Drugs and Theraputics 21(7); 30 1979



8.  R.C. Wren and R.W. Wren: Potter's New Cyclopaedia of Botanical Drugs 

    and Preparations, New Ed, Health Science Press, Hengiscote, England, 1975



9.  R.F Chandler: Canadian Pharmaceutical Journal 118: 420-424, 1985



10.  Lawrence Review of Natural Products, June, 1989.



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I strongly recommend _The Honest Herbal_ by Varro Tyler to anyone

who is considering or using herbal medicines.  It is the one herb

book that I have every found that relies solely on scientific studies

instead of folklore *and* which provides references.  Tyler himself

has impressive credentials, being a tenured professor of pharmacognosy

(the branch of pharmacy that deals with herbal medicine) in the

school of pharmacy at Purdue University.  The ISBN # is 1-56024-287-6

and it is published by the Haworth Press, 10 Alice Street, Binghamton

NY 13904-1580.  It is in print, costs about $20 and I got mine through

a regular bookstore which special ordered it for me.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: Elizabeth_Toews@mindlink.bc.ca (Elizabeth Toews)

Date: Thu, 11 May 95 11:23:10 -0800



In article <3orlai$5q3@news.primenet.com>, camilla@primenet.com (Camilla

Cracchiolo) writes:

>

> Msg-ID: <3orlai$5q3@news.primenet.com>

> References: <3oiroj$3g0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>

> Posted: 11 May 1995 00:21:38 GMT

>

> Org.  : Primenet Services for the Internet (602)395-1010

>

>

> Ok, here is what Varro Tyler has to say:

>

> "Licorice consists of the underground parts, technically the rhizone and

> roots of varieties of Glycyrrhiza glabra L....which possess a sweet

> yellow

> wood.  It is often called licorice root or glycyrrhiza.  The root has

> been

> used since very ancient times as a flavoring and for its expectorant and

> demulcent properties in the treatment of coughs and colds.(1)

>

> A very confusing situation exists concerning much so-called licorice

> candy.  A great deal of it contains little or no licorice whatsoever,

> but derives its flavor from anise oil.  The taste of licorice and

> anise do resemble one another, but in other respects, including potential

> toxicity, they are quite different.  It is unfortunate the more common,

> harmless anise flavor is almost always referred to as licorice.

>

> [deleted stuff]

>

> Much of the sweetness of licorice is due to glycyrrhizin, also known

> as glycyrrhizic acid, a saponin glycoside which occurs in the root

> in concentrations averaging between 5 and 9%.  It is about 50 times

> sweeter than sugar and is available commercially in a form known as

> ammoniated glycyrrhizin.

>

> During World War II, a Dutch physician noted that adminstration of

> licorice extract produced marked improvement in patients suffering from

> peptic ulcer, but serious side effects in the form of swelling of the

> face and limbs were also observed.(2)  Since then, numerous reports of

> toxic

> effects have been recorded in the medical literature based on the

> observation of patients who ate large amounts of livorice candy over long

> periods of time.  One man who had eaten two or three 36-gram licorice

> candy bars daily for six to seven years became so weak he could not get

> out of bed.  He required hospitalization with intensive treatment for

> more than one month before recovering.(3)  Another person, previously in

> excellent health, ate 700 grams (about 1.5 pounds) of licorice candy in a

> nine-day period.  HIs condition necessitated four days of hospital

> treatment(4).  In a controlled experiment, about 100 to 200 grans of

> licorice twists, (equivalent to 0.7 to 1.4 grans of glycyrrhizin) eaten

> daily for periods of one to four weeks produced serious symptoms in a

> group of volunteers. (5)

>

> Another interesting case involved an elderly man who chewed eight to

> twelve 3-ounce bags of chewing tobacco daily and swallowed the saliva

> produced.  He became so weak that he was unable to sit up or raise his

> arms above the horizontal position.  There was a prompt improvement when

> he was hospitalized and denied chewing tobacco.  Tests revealed that the

> brand he had been consuming contained more than 8% of licorice paste and

> that his usage amounted to between 0.88 and 1.33 grams of glycryyhizin

> per day, well within the toxic range.(6)

>

> The medical literature refers to this condition as pseudoaldosteronism,

> meaning one similar to that brought about by excessive secretion of the

> adrenal cortex hormone, aldosterone.  In the case of licorice, the

> syndrome is caused by glycyrrhizin, the structure and physiological

> effects of which are related to aldosterone or desoxycorticosterone.

> Symptoms resulting from excessive quantities include headache, lethargy,

> sodium and water retention, excessive excretion of potassium, high blood

> pressure and even heart failure or cardiac arrest. (7)

>

> One popular herbal cough remedy contains 1 ounce of licorice root in a

> quart of water.  Directions suggest that one-half pint be drunk at

> bedtime with additional quantities as needed. (8).  The half-pint dose

> could easily contain 0.5 gram of glycyrrhizin, and that daily amount

> might be doubled or tripled, depending on the fequency of use.  At that

> rate of consumption, toxic effects could observed after a single week.

> For persons suffering from high blood pressure or heart trouble, these

> could be serious.

>

> Although licorice does have a flavor pleasing to many and may also have

> some utility in treating coughs as well as a number of other conditions,

> (9), it must be remembered that it is also a potent drug.  Large doses

> over extended periods of time are quite toxic. (10)"

>

>

> References:

>

> 1.  V..E. Tyler, L.R. brady, and J.E. Roberrs: Pharmacognosy, 9th Ed. Lea

>     & Febiger, Philadelphia, 1988, pp 68-69

>

> 2.  C. Nieman: Chemist and Druggist 177: 741-745; 1962

>

> 3.  J.W. Conn, D.R. Rovner; and E.L. Cohen: Journal of the American

>     Medical Assn 205: 492-496, 1968

>

> 4.  T. J. Chamberlain: ibid 213: 1343, 1970

>

> 5.  M.T. Epstein, E.A. Espiner, R.A.Donald, and H.Hughes: British Medical

>     Journal 1: 488-490, 1977

>

> 6.  J.D.Blachley and J..P. Knochel: New England Journal of Medicine

>     302:784-785, 1980

>

> 7.  Anon: Medical Letter on Drugs and Theraputics 21(7); 30 1979

>

> 8.  R.C. Wren and R.W. Wren: Potter's New Cyclopaedia of Botanical Drugs

>     and Preparations, New Ed, Health Science Press, Hengiscote, England,

> 1975

>

> 9.  R.F Chandler: Canadian Pharmaceutical Journal 118: 420-424, 1985

>

> 10.  Lawrence Review of Natural Products, June, 1989.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

> I strongly recommend _The Honest Herbal_ by Varro Tyler to anyone

> who is considering or using herbal medicines.  It is the one herb

> book that I have every found that relies solely on scientific studies

> instead of folklore *and* which provides references.  Tyler himself

> has impressive credentials, being a tenured professor of pharmacognosy

> (the branch of pharmacy that deals with herbal medicine) in the

> school of pharmacy at Purdue University.  The ISBN # is 1-56024-287-6

> and it is published by the Haworth Press, 10 Alice Street, Binghamton

> NY 13904-1580.  It is in print, costs about $20 and I got mine through

> a regular bookstore which special ordered it for me.

>

>

>

>

> --

>

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

>            Camilla Cracchiolo, RN   camilla@primenet.com

>

>         Shrine of the Cybernetic Madonna BBS  213-766-1356

> "The board that Hates Rush Limbaugh *and* Newt Gingrich With A Passion"

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>



Why do you keep posting this?  How can the abusive use of licorice candy

and chewing tobacco have anything to do with using licorice root?  I agree

that we need to use caution with herbs and to educate ourselves but lets

not scare people away from the use of herbs.

And I have another question, who decides who can be a contributor to the

FAQ for this group?  I'm glad that my first introduction to herbs was not

>from  Camilla Cracchiolo or Steve Dyer.



Best Health Wishes

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email:  elizabeth_toews@mindlink.bc.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: emer@scf.nmsu.edu (Emer)

Date: 13 May 1995 00:00:41 GMT



In article <70469-800216590@mindlink.bc.ca> Elizabeth Toews (Elizabeth_Toews@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote:

: In article <3orlai$5q3@news.primenet.com>, camilla@primenet.com (Camilla

: Cracchiolo) writes:



: > Ok, here is what Varro Tyler has to say:

: >

: > "Licorice consists of the underground parts, technically the rhizone and

: > roots of varieties of Glycyrrhiza glabra L....which possess a sweet

: > yellow

: > wood.  It is often called licorice root or glycyrrhiza.  The root has

: > been

: > used since very ancient times as a flavoring and for its expectorant and

: > demulcent properties in the treatment of coughs and colds.(1)...



: Why do you keep posting this?  How can the abusive use of licorice candy

: and chewing tobacco have anything to do with using licorice root? 



Maybe, just maybe, because the flavorings in said substances were

derived from licorice root? Doh!



: I agree

: that we need to use caution with herbs and to educate ourselves but lets

: not scare people away from the use of herbs.



What makes you think she's trying to scare anyone away? Or do you

believe that being an informed herb user is scary?



: And I have another question, who decides who can be a contributor to the

: FAQ for this group?  I'm glad that my first introduction to herbs was not

: from Camilla Cracchiolo or Steve Dyer.



I'm glad my first introduction to herbs was not from someone who thinks

that "just 'cuz it's natural it can't possibly be harmful" because

I've seen too much of that BS. If natural is always good and safe then

I suppose you think heart patients would be better off chewing down

foxglove rather than taking their heart meds? Or that it's just fine

if kids go out and brew a little datura tea? Feed a few oleander beans

to the baby? Of course not. So isn't it better to know exactly what

the risks are, at least as well as they're understood, than to believe

that all medicinal herbs are totally harmless?



--

emer@scf.nmsu.edu

"Life is a big tambourine, The more that you shake it the better it

seems." Robert Plant in "Down to the Sea" on "Fate of Nations"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: 19 May 1995 16:12:05 +0100



>

>I'm glad my first introduction to herbs was not from someone who thinks

>that "just 'cuz it's natural it can't possibly be harmful" because

>I've seen too much of that BS. If natural is always good and safe then

>I suppose you think heart patients would be better off chewing down

>foxglove rather than taking their heart meds? Or that it's just fine

>if kids go out and brew a little datura tea? Feed a few oleander beans

>to the baby? Of course not. So isn't it better to know exactly what

>the risks are, at least as well as they're understood, than to believe

>that all medicinal herbs are totally harmless?



Yawn yawn - the point is that CC DOES NOT KNOW what the risks are,

and consistently spews out secondhand scare mongering from people like

Tyler who is regarded with considerably less than zero respect by most

people with more than two brain cells to rub together, which includes all

herbalists. If her intentions are to inform, then she has blown it long ago

by crying fire too often. NOONE believes herbal medicines are simply

harmless to be consumed randomly in whatever quantity and noone but an

idiot would do so - even in the USA people dont generally  give datura to

kids  so try and RAISE the level of debate instead of insulting everyone's

intelligence. 



It is LAUGHABLE that cases of clinically insane licorice candy abuse have

to be dragged up to try and rubbish  licorice herb as a medicinal agent.

After 6-7 years of licorice abuse some adverese symptoms showed up - well

after a few hours of accidental  paracetomol overdose your liver can  pack

up altogether so go and get steamed up about that if you want to talk about

toxicity of freely available substances.



The problem is not thinking that  natural is never harmful. The problem is

not using basic intelligence. read the post on Hellebore poisoning

elsewhere this group.

>

>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 18:25:17 PST



In message ID <3oiroj$3g0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> on 5/7/95, Kimberly A. Huff

<fu622@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:



: You might also want to try smoking coltsfoot to help

: clear out your lungs from the smoking. (yes, I said "smoke" it. <G>)

: 

: Daphne



An interesting therapeutic idea, one that probably has some wisdom to it.

Provided the herbal is in fact a Cooling one (as I think coltsfoot is), the mild

heat of smoking it (herbs burn at different temperatures) might help the Lung Qi

to circulate, and thereby 'ventilate' the Lung, allowing mucus to be collected

and expelled. I believe in using expectorant herbals for smoking repair (thus

the recommendation of loquat cough syrup for people recouperating or trying to

quit).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ABSINTHE/WORMWOOD

From: bob.miller@greatesc.com (Bob Miller)

Date: Wed,  3 May 1995 18:48:00 GMT



RM> > bartending I own (4) there are recipies that call for absinthe. If

RM> you > look in the glossary, it states that it is a poison and has

RM> been illegal > in this (and most) countries for years. I really

RM> don't have any other



RM> Nope, absinthe is a strong green aromatic liquer that tastes like

RM> licorice.  Wow, but there is absinthism: n. a morbid condition due

RM> to the



Don't want to start a war, but I was quoting from the glossary of the 

book. Absinthe is illegal in the United States, and the book calls it a 

poision.



If you have a reference that is different, please post it.



Internet:  bob.miller@greatesc.com



 * RM 1.3  * Eval Day 175 * The wrong way always seems the more reasonable!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ABSINTHE/WORMWOOD

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 5 May 1995 09:50:39 GMT



jpe@algonet.se (Jonas Eckerman) wrote:

>

> zorlack@hale.cts.com (Zorlack):

> > I think absinthism is just blackout alcoholism :) 

> 

> Wich is not correct. I don't know the english word for the herb that

> Absinthe comes from, but it's a hallucinogenic drug and is quite

> dangerous if you have to much. The effect of Absinthe is much

> stronger than from ordinary liquor. In sweden ther is a liquor called

> Rosita that contains a smaller amount of extract from the same weed

> (Absinthe is illegal here as well. Rosita is, among some poeple, seen as a 

> cheap way to get drunk as you'll get more effect than from another drink with 

> the same amount of alcohol. 

> 

> _______________________

> Jonas Eckerman     IIS

> jpe@algonet.se    FSDB

I don't know the english word for the herb that

> Absinthe comes from

"Wormwood"

Michael TFG





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ABSINTHE/WORMWOOD

From: s97macl@aol.com (S97macl)

Date: 6 May 1995 22:29:12 -0400



the herb is "artemisia absinthium" it contains thujones which interact to

the same receptor as cannibinoids.  It got a bad wrap for producing brain

decomposition around the turn of the century.  Mostly because it was

colored with various heavy metals.  Not a good thing.  It is still

available in Japan (or was about eight years ago) and I can say from

experience is a complete mind erasure.  Add to that a three day

hangover....  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ABSINTHE/WORMWOOD

From: Kristen Johnson Ingram <72734.3354@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 8 May 1995 00:42:06 GMT



People who long for the taste of absinthe (which caused a 

sterility problem in France about 80 years ago) should drink 

pernod.  The taste is very similar...Wormwood is white artemesia 

(a sp. of tridentata) and grows in the western U.S. Don't 

eat, drink or smoke it--it really can be harmful.  Kris



-- 

Kris





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: chinese herbology

From: bahrams@icebox.iceonline.com (Bahram Sadri)

Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 06:53:29 GMT



hello

any body need information or have any questions about chinese herbs or herbal

formulas I will be glad to answer it .





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chinese herbology

From: liz@ervose.mv.com (Liz & Ralph  Vose)

Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 01:33:54 GMT



In article <D81Hrx.J07@iceonline.com>, bahrams@icebox.iceonline.com

(Bahram Sadri) wrote:



> hello

> any body need information or have any questions about chinese herbs or herbal

> formulas I will be glad to answer it .



My question is very basic.  Do chinese herbal medicines work "well"

without the right frame of mind?  I am just beginning to learn about herbs

and am growing some for the first time this year.  I had relapses from a

bad case of mono for almost a year and began taking doses of live cultures

and haven't had a relapse since.  Also I had an ulcer that was giving me

trouble once again and took licorice root.  Within a week it was not

bothering me any longer.  I now have started dring peppermint tea and like

the way it feels in my stomach for digestion.  Are these things happening

because of the things I am taking or because I believe they will work? 

One may ask if it matters as long as one feels better, but I think it's

important to know what causes the improvement.



What herbs could help me curb my craving for sweets (especially chocolate)

so that I could lose weight?



Liz Vose





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chinese herbology

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 09:36:51 PST



In message ID <liz-0505952033540001@ervose.mv.com> on 5/5/95, Liz & Ralph  Vose

<liz@ervose.mv.com> wrote:



: What herbs could help me curb my craving for sweets (especially chocolate)

: so that I could lose weight?

: 

: Liz Vose



Stop eating desserts with meals. Stop eating fruit and fruit juice daily. Don't

delay or skip meals. With those actions in place, perhaps Hsiao Yao Wan will be

useful (Chinatown).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chinese herbology

From: Dave Glasgow <dave_glasgow@itd.sterling.com>

Date: 16 May 1995 17:32:24 GMT



> : What herbs could help me curb my craving for sweets (especially chocolate)

> : so that I could lose weight?

> : Liz Vose

 

According to the May Issue of Vitality Magazine, Your body May need Magnesium if

you crave chocolate.  Vitality says try eating more fruit, potatoes and

Whole-grain cereals.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: menstral problem

From: mledlow@ocotillo.NMSU.Edu (Michael Ledlow)

Date: 4 May 1995 07:19:39 GMT



In article <3o8ikl$rg3@news.cais.com>,

Mark Wilson <wilson@cais2.cais.com> wrote:

> after having to be on 2   month treatment of both IV and oral steroids 

>as usual my mentral cylce stopped. Before I just waited it out. But was 

>wondering if anyone knew a way to bring this on. thanks Kathy

>



Kathy,



     You might try Vitex (Chaste-Tree Berries).  To quote from The New

Holistic Herbal by David Hoffman; "The greatest use of Chaste Tree lies in

normalising the activity of female sex hormones ... it may be used to aid

the body to regain a natural balance after the use of the birth control

pill."  I would imagine it would also be good in your case to get things

back to normal.  He recommends an infusion of 1 cup water to 1t of the

berries infused for 10-15 mins.  Drink 3 times/day, or take 1-2ml of the

tincture at the same frequency. 



--Michael 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: wilson@cais2.cais.com

Subject: Re: menstral problem

From: Joanne Martinez <martinez>

Date: 5 May 1995 21:02:16 GMT



Kathy,

        While I have had success with fresh celery leaf tea, it was my experience

after 5 years on prednisone that I just had to wait it out.



Joanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: menstral problem

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon,  8 May 95 23:02:38 PST



In message ID <3o8ikl$rg3@news.cais.com> on 5/3/95, Mark Wilson

<wilson@cais2.cais.com> wrote:



:  after having to be on 2   month treatment of both IV and oral steroids 

: as usual my mentral cylce stopped. Before I just waited it out. But

: was  wondering if anyone knew a way to bring this on. thanks Kathy



Why are you taking the steroids?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: menstral problem

From: mhoneth@inforamp.net

Date: 11 May 1995 17:20:56 -0400



In alt.folklore.herbs wilson@cais2.cais.com (Mark Wilson) said: 

 

 

> after having to be on 2   month treatment of both IV and oral steroids as

 

>usual my mentral cylce stopped. Before I just waited it out. But was

wondering  

>if anyone knew a way to bring this on. thanks Kathy 

> 

> 

>-- 

>------------------------------------------------ 

>Name:      Kathy K. Wilson,  

>           using the account of Mark A. Wilson 

>Internet:  wilson@cais.com 

>-- 

>No longer a novice...                Before you can learn to be free,  

>but still frustrated!                You need to be free to learn! 

 

 

 

Rose Essential Oil is reputed as being a Womens reproductive regulator. 

I've used it myself and have found it so.  It's expensive, but you only

need 1 drop to every 5 ml of carrier oil (anything from olive oil to jojoba

- the latter helps to preserve the rose longer)  You'd prob. find it easier

getting a ready mix from a trained Aromatherapist.-- 

Carol @ Michael Honeth 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: menstral problem

From: v-craig@nwu.edu (Valerie D. Craig)

Date: 11 May 1995 21:27:20 GMT



In article <3o9v6b$lb4@bubba.NMSU.Edu>, mledlow@ocotillo.NMSU.Edu (Michael Ledlow) says:

>

>In article <3o8ikl$rg3@news.cais.com>,

>Mark Wilson <wilson@cais2.cais.com> wrote:

>> after having to be on 2   month treatment of both IV and oral steroids 

>>as usual my mentral cylce stopped. Before I just waited it out. But was 

>>wondering if anyone knew a way to bring this on. thanks Kathy

>>

>

>Kathy,

>

>     You might try Vitex (Chaste-Tree Berries).  To quote from The New

>Holistic Herbal by David Hoffman; "The greatest use of Chaste Tree lies in

>normalising the activity of female sex hormones ... it may be used to aid

>the body to regain a natural balance after the use of the birth control

>pill."  I would imagine it would also be good in your case to get things

>back to normal.  He recommends an infusion of 1 cup water to 1t of the

>berries infused for 10-15 mins.  Drink 3 times/day, or take 1-2ml of the

>tincture at the same frequency. 

>

>--Michael 



Valerie D. Craig

Northwestern University, Chicago Campus, IL.   USA

v-craig@nwu.edu



In addition to Chaste-berries, you can also try the following:



Evening Primrose Oil - highly recommended for PMS (onset of period), muscular discomforts (arthritis, backaches, rheumathism)



Blessed Thistle - taking during menses (relieves cramps).





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: long pepper

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu,  4 May 95 10:20:10 PST



In message ID <3nq1gp$mji@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> on 4/27/95, K.Soerensen

<ksoerensen@mailhost.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:



: What is "long" pepper?

: 1) the whole and dried up fruits of Piper nigrum?

: 2) ...........".....................Piper longum?



Er, bing!



: 3) .................................Chavica off.? (Is this name

: still valid?)

: 

: Or is it something different?

: Please send replies also by mail.

: Thanks in advance

: 

: Kay W. Soerensen



--Paul [p_iannone@pop.com]



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: FAQ archives

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu,  4 May 95 10:20:39 PST



In message ID <3nr0p2$9pp@idefix.eunet.fi> on 4/28/95, Henriette Kress

<Hek@hetta.pp.fi> wrote:



: In article <D7o1sx.D57@crash.cts.com>, dbrowndc@cts.com (David Brown)  says:

: >

: >Could someone please direct me to where FAQ archives are stored for

: this  interesting >newsgroup?  A general posting or personal eMail

: would do.    Thanks. >

: I've emailed him the list.

: 

: HeK



Here are some comments on the 'FAQ' (which is actually focussed on 'scientific

herbalism' and the views of a few science-oriented participants):



: One of the herbs in Essiac is rhubarb, which is one of the strongest

: purgatives of traditional Chinese medicine.  Unfortunately, the use

: of rhubarb in the disease process associated with HIV is

: contraindicated  by Chinese medicine.



Actually, rhubarb is not considered a 'strong' purgative in TCM. And the cooked

version is not considered a laxative at all (and has far less active glycoside).

By focusing on AIDS, this part of the FAQ suffers greatly from exaggeration of

 the danger of such substances for others without such Deficiency illness.



: In conclusion, HIV+ persons should never use any herbal formula on a

: continuous basis.  Instead, herbs may be used for short periods of time and

: for well-defined conditions that may arise during the course of HIV disease. 



A ridiculous statement. East-Asian Traditional Healing treats a whole range of

illnesses, including AIDS, with continuously-used herbal formulas. That this one

Excess-Countering herbal formula is inappropriate is no reason to generalize to

all formulas. Deficiency-Boosting formulae are used for YEARS at a time, to

great benefit. They contain none of the chemistry of concern in Essiac, which, I

note, I have attacked myself in the misc.health.alternative as a misguided

therapy for AIDS.



:  5) The Honest Herbal.    Varro Tyler, 1993, Pharmaceutical Products Press,

: an imprint of The    Haworth Press, Inc., 10 Alice Street, Binghamton, NY

: 13904-1580,    USA.     ISBN 1-56024-287-6 (paperback). About USD 20.    A

: good scientific approach where every statement is referenced. 



and



: - Pharmacognosy, 9th edition. Varro E. Tyler, L.R. Brady, and J.E.

:   Roberts. Lea & Febiger, Philadelphia, 1988.



I hate Tyler, and regret the recommendation of this Pharmacognosy text. I think

his ideology blocks a fair reporting. It should also be noted that he knows very

little about East-Asian herbals, nor are they covered to any great degree in

either text. The Honest Herbal (I've only seen the first edition) is rife with

propaganda, and hit pieces from trade journals and newspapers hardly rise to the

term 'references.' An abhorrently short-sighted text.



There needs to be one of the ETH Materia Medicas in your booklist. The standard

is: 



Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica, 2nd. edition. Dan Bensky, Andrew Gamble,

with Ted Kaptchuk. Eastland Press, Inc. Seattle, Washington, 1993.



And the companion Formulary:



Chinese Herbal Medicine Formulas & Strategies, 1st. edition. Dan Bensky, Randall

Barolet. Eastland Press, Inc. Seattle, Washington, 1990.



No one who hasn't read both should make any kind of pronouncements about ETH.



I can recommend other works on ETH herbalism if desired.



--Paul [p_iannone@pop.com]



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Carpal Tunnel

From: srbo@freenet1.scri.fsu.edu (Srbo Icelic)

Date: 4 May 1995 19:28:29 GMT



Greetings.



I was wondering if anyone on here knew of any herbs that could be used

for Carpal tunnel.  I checked with my doctors, but they only suggested

ultra-sound therapy/treatment.  Unfortunatel, no insurance would cover

it.



Any help would be appreciated.



-S. Icelic

-- 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: cdeleo@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Claire DeLeo)

Date: 8 May 1995 16:10:21 -0600



I had the beginnings of carpal tunnel and have effectively treated it 

with a program of massage therapy, daily stretching, and chiropractic 

treatments.  Carpel tunnel is caused by a nerve being pinched some where 

along its path from the vertebrae down to the wrist.  Physical therapy 

and chiropractors should both be covered by health insurance and will 

probably be more effective in the long run than herbal treatment.  Herbs 

for muscle relaxants may help you though.



Feel free to e-mail me directly if you have anymore questions.



Claire

cdeleo@lamar.colostate.edu



Srbo Icelic (srbo@freenet1.scri.fsu.edu) wrote:

: Greetings.



: I was wondering if anyone on here knew of any herbs that could be used

: for Carpal tunnel.  I checked with my doctors, but they only suggested

: ultra-sound therapy/treatment.  Unfortunatel, no insurance would cover

: it.



: Any help would be appreciated.



: -S. Icelic

: -- 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: smiller@pacifier.com (smiller)

Date: 9 May 1995 07:22:27 GMT



My sister had debilitating carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) due to her job

as a programmer.  Nothing really helped, except Vitamin B.  I'm not

sure which vitamin B it was, taking a strong b-complex daily should do

it.



It relieved her pain greatly while she was taking it, and the effect

lasted a few weeks after she stopped.  It came back though, and I think

the only permanent cure you can effect is to try to avoid the activity

that produced CTS in the first place (i.e., too much fast typing, etc.)



Good luck with this hard-to-accommodate disease.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: amaclir@unibase.unibase.com (Aine Maclir)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 22:50:17 GMT



smiller@pacifier.com (smiller) wrote:



>My sister had debilitating carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) due to her job

>as a programmer.  Nothing really helped, except Vitamin B.  I'm not

>sure which vitamin B it was, taking a strong b-complex daily should do

>it.



>It relieved her pain greatly while she was taking it, and the effect

>lasted a few weeks after she stopped.  It came back though, and I think

>the only permanent cure you can effect is to try to avoid the activity

>that produced CTS in the first place (i.e., too much fast typing, etc.)



I believe it's vitamin B6.  That's what my doctor recommended for me a

couple of years ago.  He was one of those rare MD's that believed in

vitamin therapy.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 08:16:31 -0700



In article <3on57j$h9k@news.pacifier.com>, smiller@pacifier.com (smiller) wrote:



> My sister had debilitating carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) due to her job

> as a programmer.  Nothing really helped, except Vitamin B.  I'm not

> sure which vitamin B it was, taking a strong b-complex daily should do

> it.

> 

> It relieved her pain greatly while she was taking it, and the effect

> lasted a few weeks after she stopped.  It came back though, and I think

> the only permanent cure you can effect is to try to avoid the activity

> that produced CTS in the first place (i.e., too much fast typing, etc.)

> 

> Good luck with this hard-to-accommodate disease.



                I have used a B vit. complex ( B 50's) as well as

magnesium 500 mg. and have gotten releif.  I also use St. Johnswort(

hypercium perforatum) oil topically to stop the pain and relieve the

irrated nerve tissue.    I have also recently gotten a book "Carpal Tunnel

Syndrome ,Prevention and Treatment" a non-surgical drug free approach by

Kate Montgomery.  

                                                                                                                       

Sharon Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: pdunn@skypoint.com (Phil)

Date: 15 May 1995 16:30:37 GMT



In article <ntlor-1305950816310001@ip142.tus.primenet.com>, ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust) says:

>

>In article <3on57j$h9k@news.pacifier.com>, smiller@pacifier.com (smiller) wrote:

>

>> My sister had debilitating carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) due to her job

>> as a programmer.  Nothing really helped, except Vitamin B.  I'm not

>> sure which vitamin B it was, taking a strong b-complex daily should do

>> it.

>> ....much deleted...



A prevention product may me seen in http://www.hoptechno.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: covent@innet.be (Jean-Pierre Covent)

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:25:37 +0300



srbo@freenet1.scri.fsu.edu (Srbo Icelic) wrote:



>Greetings.



>I was wondering if anyone on here knew of any herbs that could be used

>for Carpal tunnel.  I checked with my doctors, but they only suggested

>ultra-sound therapy/treatment.  Unfortunatel, no insurance would cover

>it.



>Any help would be appreciated.



You can try GINKGO BILOBA.My wife her Carpal Tunnel syndrome

"SYMPTOMS" are disapeard with this herb.

I have read a lot of articles concerning the use of vitamine B6

for Carpal Tunnel.Dose 100mg a day.I have no experience.



>-- 



+------------------------------------------------------------+

| Covent JP.       Belgium        Internet: covent@innet.be  |

+------------------------------------------------------------+





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 13 May 1995 00:14:53 GMT



srbo@freenet1.scri.fsu.edu (Srbo Icelic) wrote:

>

> Greetings.

> 

> I was wondering if anyone on here knew of any herbs that could be used

> for Carpal tunnel.  I checked with my doctors, but they only suggested

> ultra-sound therapy/treatment.  Unfortunatel, no insurance would cover

> it.

> 

> Any help would be appreciated.

> 

> -S. Icelic

> -- 

Pizzorno & Murry's book Enc of herbal medicine has excellent chapter on this

Michael

TFG





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 14 May 95 09:56:50 PST



In message ID <3om4sd$oid@lamar.ColoState.EDU> on 5/8/95, Claire DeLeo

<cdeleo@lamar.ColoState.EDU> wrote:



: I had the beginnings of carpal tunnel and have effectively treated it 

: with a program of massage therapy, daily stretching, and

: chiropractic  treatments.  Carpel tunnel is caused by a nerve being

: pinched some where  along its path from the vertebrae down to the

: wrist.  Physical therapy  and chiropractors should both be covered

: by health insurance and will  probably be more effective in the long

: run than herbal treatment.  Herbs  for muscle relaxants may help you though.

: 

: Feel free to e-mail me directly if you have anymore questions.

: 

: Claire

: cdeleo@lamar.colostate.edu

: 

: Srbo Icelic (srbo@freenet1.scri.fsu.edu) wrote:

: : Greetings.

: 

: : I was wondering if anyone on here knew of any herbs that could be used

: : for Carpal tunnel.  I checked with my doctors, but they only suggested

: : ultra-sound therapy/treatment.  Unfortunatel, no insurance would cover

: : it.

: 

: : Any help would be appreciated.

: 

: : -S. Icelic



Carpal tunnel is caused ONLY by pressure in the carpal tunnel, which is an area

of the wrist. This is one of the most commonly misdiagnosed conventional

diagnoses out there. As your healers have noticed, the problem is VERY often

'upstream' from the wrist.



Take a towel and hold it between your hands behind you. Stretch, and move the

towel and hands up and down, left and right. Don't overdo. If that reduces the

discomfort, you probably don't have carpal tunnel, but some sort of thoracic

outlet problem (in the shoulder region). I don't offer that as a diagnosis,

because that is still horribly primitive from a holistic healer's standpoint,

but to suggest to all computer users with wrist pain: 



CARPAL TUNNEL SURGERY IS BARBARIC, and almost always misdiagnosed to begin with.

Beware!



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: Rhia <rhiannon@dandelion.com>

Date: 14 May 1995 17:32:54 -0700



In article <00352E52.fc@pop.com> p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) writes:



> Carpal tunnel is caused ONLY by pressure in the carpal tunnel, which is

> an area of the wrist. This is one of the most commonly misdiagnosed

> conventional diagnoses out there. As your healers have noticed, the

> problem is VERY often 'upstream' from the wrist.



I was diagnosed as having incipient carpal tunnel syndrome/repetitive

stress injury, but before committing to any surgery or long-term

disability, I had the problem looked at by a chiropractor while I was

having some work done to relieve my migraines.  As it turns out, I had an

old injury in my shoulder that was causing my forearm bones to tend to push

downward into the wrist, causing the pain and inflammation.  It took about

6 months but I am now free from any symptoms of carpal tunnel... AND I have

had no recurrance of the migraines.



Although chiropractic may not be the answer to everyone's wrist/shoulder

problems, it's worth a second opinion when having to decide whether to have

an expensive, slow-healing surgical process that quite frankly doesn't have

the best track record.  Most medical plans will cover chiropractic care in

part, especially if it's a referral from your primary care physician.



One comment that keeps recurring when I'm approached about chiropractors is

that people seem to be reluctant to go, fearing that it'll be a 3-times-a-

week routine for the rest of their lives.  Admittedly, there are such

practitioners, but if you look around, ask people for recommendations, you

should be able to find one whose goal is to not have you show up in his/her

office unless you need treatment.  That's what mine said.  I end up going

about once a month or so, or after any plane trip (those seats play havoc

with my lower back!).



Rhia





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: akerson@clark.net (Pete Akerson)

Date: 23 May 1995 22:40:03 GMT



>> herbs to treat CTS.



I don't know of any, but I do know that mine responds well

to brutal physical excercise, specifically rowing a boat.

The rowing machine works almost as well.

Yep, it is off topic for the group, but by the time anyone

might read the title, they're probably interested.



-P



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: legend@ERINET.com

Date: Tue, 23 May 95 08:01:58 PDT





In article <3pto83$ev3@clarknet.clark.net>, <akerson@clark.net> writes:

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> From: akerson@clark.net (Pete Akerson)

> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

> Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

> Date: 23 May 1995 22:40:03 GMT

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> >> herbs to treat CTS.

> 

> I don't know of any, but I do know that mine responds well

> to brutal physical excercise, specifically rowing a boat.

> The rowing machine works almost as well.

> Yep, it is off topic for the group, but by the time anyone

> might read the title, they're probably interested.

> 

> -P

> 

> --

> 

Just a quick note on this subject, CTS is caused by over using the wrists by 

repetitive movement..example typing on a computer with wrist bent...As far as I 

know there is no specific herb to help treat this but any herb with the ability 

for anti-inflammatory benifits might help. The best advise is to wear a wrist 

brace or support at night to prevent the wrist from bending as well as be aware 

of the position of the wrists with repetitive motions..Try to keep them 

straight.. Please do not increase stress or wrist flexion as a possible cure. 

Best of wishes  Bonnie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: lev@aol.com (Lev)

Date: 30 May 1995 22:57:35 -0400



Just read your request for herbs re: carpal tunnel.  You might want to try

a Chinese herbal formula used externally called Dit Dow Jou.  It's used by

martial artists for all kinds of injuries and I have had reportsd that it

benefits your condition.



If you have trouble getting it, e-mail me back as I make it up.



Lev Fedyniak

Practitioner of Chinese Medicine





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 30 May 95 07:57:42 PST



In message ID <3pto83$ev3@clarknet.clark.net> on 5/23/95, Pete Akerson

<akerson@clark.net> wrote:



: >> herbs to treat CTS.

: 

: I don't know of any, but I do know that mine responds well

: to brutal physical excercise, specifically rowing a boat.

: The rowing machine works almost as well.

: Yep, it is off topic for the group, but by the time anyone

: might read the title, they're probably interested.

: 

: -P



If it is better from exercise, it is due to Stagnation, particularly Cold

Stagnation. This may well be due to Liver Qi Stagnation (which produces cold

extremities since the Qi is not circulating fully--usually a stress and lack of

exercise problem), or due to overall Deficiency of Yang (but those types don't

do that kind of exercise--they're too tired).



Don't drink coffee.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: deodorant

From: Kathleen M Ford <kat@selway.umt.edu>

Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 14:25:15 -0600



Does anyone out there have a good recipe for an effective deodorant?

kat@selway.umt.edu 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: deodorant

From: tonyl@treehouse.org (Tony Lauria)

Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 11:26:27 -0800



In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.950504142302.19982A-100000@selway.umt.edu>,

Kathleen M Ford <kat@selway.umt.edu> wrote:



> Does anyone out there have a good recipe for an effective deodorant?

> kat@selway.umt.edu





Yes, well actually its not a recipe its the Thai deodorant stone and this

thing has worked for me and my wife for years.  Its the best thing I have

ever tried with no perfume or odor.  It is made from natural minerals and

is completely free of perfumes, propellants and harmful chemicals, but it

has been known to be the most effective deodorant known to man.



I got it from our local natural food store and it costs about $10. with a

guarantee for one year.  If it dissolves before one year they will replace

it.



Once again its called the Thai deodorant stone - distributed by J & L Products

P.O. Box 63241  Phoenix, Az 85082





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginseng preparations

From: pinksjc@mail.auburn.edu (Joshua C. Pinkston)

Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 20:26:04 GMT



I currently use GNC's Herbal Plus Multi-Ginseng.  I would like comments 

on how this compares to other prepartions in terms of quality and potency 

relative to price.



Thanks.



Josh Pinkston

pinksjc@mail.auburn.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng preparations

From: netkid@netcom.com

Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 18:25:35 GMT



In <D82M3H.J03@mail.auburn.edu>, pinksjc@mail.auburn.edu (Joshua C. Pinkston) writes:

>I currently use GNC's Herbal Plus Multi-Ginseng.  I would like comments 

>on how this compares to other prepartions in terms of quality and potency 

>relative to price.

>Thanks.

>Josh Pinkston

>pinksjc@mail.auburn.edu



I'd suggest buying ginseng from Chinatown if you are close to one.  In my case 

not Chinatown but lots of Vietnamese stores.  Asian grocery markets are also a 

good source.  You'll get better ginseng for less money.

Jim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng preparations

From: sweeti@slip.net

Date: 8 May 1995 00:29:42 GMT



Personally..my family does not use the prepared Ginseng products. They lose a lot..compared to the 

fresh or dried root. We buy/sell Ginseng so we just get root and take a little nibble every day. Trust 

me, there is a huge difference from this and the tablets. No fillers. ;) 



Ginseng can get expensive (in my opinion..to others it is chump change) when bought in bulk..but 

just a handful of the dried roots wouldn't be bad at all..especially when you consider the lack of fillers 

and how long it will last ya. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng preparations

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:43:36 PST



In message ID <D82M3H.J03@mail.auburn.edu> on 5/4/95, Joshua C. Pinkston

<pinksjc@mail.auburn.edu> wrote:



: I currently use GNC's Herbal Plus Multi-Ginseng.  I would like comments 

: on how this compares to other prepartions in terms of quality and

: potency  relative to price.

: 

: Thanks.

: 

: Josh Pinkston



I'm not familiar with the particular product, but be advised that Chinese

ginseng, _Panax ginseng_, has features and value that Eleuthero ginseng,

_Eleutherococcus senticosus_, or American ginseng, _Panax quinquifolia_ DO NOT

have. 



Siberian ginseng, more properly called Eleuthero ginseng, is a shrub, and it is

vastly cheaper than Panax or Chinese ginseng. For this reason, cheap companies

like to use it as the primary component of such mixes, but this tilts the mix in

the direction of being a stimulant, and away from the Deep Nourishment aspects

of ginseng therapy.



Ginseng formulas, correctly chosen, are of greater value than ginseng solo, or

as part of a mixture of miscellaneous 'adaptogens.'



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wishing Well Inquiry

From: johnna@unixg.ubc.ca (Johnna E Fisher)

Date: 4 May 1995 21:46:07 GMT



It is quite prevalent in Celtic fokelore to find mention of wells and 

springs sacred to a goddess, usually one of healing.  Often these sacred 

pagan wells and springs were renamed by the Christians, but the belief in 

healing powers/qualities remained.

Hope this helps. 



APMF (apmf@aol.com) wrote:

: Earlier I posted a query, asking whether any of you, in your reading about

: herbal folklore, have come across any mention of wishing wells,

: particularly associated with healing and fertility.  I don't see the post,

: so am asking again.  My apologies in advance if anyone feels this inquiry

: is inappropriate in this newsgroup.  --Mary in Pacific Grove





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: apmf@aol.com

Subject: Re: Wishing Well Inquiry

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri,  5 May 95 16:52:38 PST



In message ID <3nuoft$cmq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 4/29/95, APMF <apmf@aol.com>

wrote:



: Earlier I posted a query, asking whether any of you, in your reading

: about herbal folklore, have come across any mention of wishing

: wells, particularly associated with healing and fertility.  I don't

: see the post, so am asking again.  My apologies in advance if anyone

: feels this inquiry is inappropriate in this newsgroup.  --Mary in

: Pacific Grove 



What you need to realize, Mary, is that while e-mail is nearly immediate,

conference mail usually takes 3-6 DAYS to reach the folder, and then the

equivalent for replies to be posted to it. Be patient.



--Paul [p_iannone@pop.com]



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wishing Well Inquiry

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 14 May 1995 06:40:33 GMT



p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) wrote:

>

> In message ID <3nuoft$cmq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 4/29/95, APMF <apmf@aol.com>

> wrote:

> 

> : Earlier I posted a query, asking whether any of you, in your reading

> : about herbal folklore, have come across any mention of wishing

> : wells, particularly associated with healing and fertility.  I don't

> : see the post, so am asking again.  My apologies in advance if anyone

> : feels this inquiry is inappropriate in this newsgroup.  --Mary in

> : Pacific Grove 

> 

> What you need to realize, Mary, is that while e-mail is nearly immediate,

> conference mail usually takes 3-6 DAYS to reach the folder, and then the

> equivalent for replies to be posted to it. Be patient.

> 

> --Paul [p_iannone@pop.com]

> 

> --



A recent copy of "Eathwatch" magazine had an article on Irish wells.

There may be a reseach project on it too.

Michael Bailes

The Fragrant Garden

Australia





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bitter-sweet

From: jdonahue@rain.org (Joe Donahue)

Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 21:57:14 GMT



Can anyone direct me toward references that would help me locate herbs

that make sweet things taste sweet?



tia





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: jdonahue@rain.org

Subject: Re: Bitter-sweet

From: Mark Henson <sacred@cruzio.com>

Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 17:19:58 GMT



see the posts on stevia.  also,depending on the formula, (recipe) 

bitterness can sometimes be asuaged by citrus and made much more 

palatable.  



herbal formulation is an art. 

ms. monti





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bitter-sweet

From: stuart@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Stuart Yeates)

Date: 9 May 1995 00:29:32 GMT



Joe Donahue (jdonahue@rain.org) wrote:

>Can anyone direct me toward references that would help me locate herbs

>that make sweet things taste sweet?



Sugar beet, sugar cane, various sweet fruits...



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B*B

--

stuart

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bitter-sweet

From: tonyl@treehouse.org (Tony Lauria)

Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 11:35:42 -0800



In article <3omd1c$e94@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz>, No@Email.please wrote:



> Joe Donahue (jdonahue@rain.org) wrote:

> >Can anyone direct me toward references that would help me locate herbs



Stevia ( an Herb )



You can call (404)352-8048 or FAX (404)352-3409 to order it from Donna

Gates.  She is the author of the book called Body Ecology Diet and I

highly recommend it.  I refer to it often in my Living in Radiant Health

Seminar and it is an incredible tool to use in taking control of your

health.  The white stevia powder she has available comes in a small jar

with a dropper bottle for mixing the diluted solution.  It costs about $20

dollars, but it could easily last you for a year. 



Introduction to Stevia                                



Stevia is an extraordinary sweet herb...200-300 times sweeter than sugar. 

It has a slight licorice-like flavor that most of us with a sweet   

tooth, and all the children we have ever met, love.  For some people who

only like the taste of real sugar it may take a little getting used, but

it has such important medicinal value that it is well worth learning to

love.  



Stevia is almost calorie free, so weight watchers love it.  It is ideal

for children since it prevents cavities.  Unlike sugar, it does not

trigger a rise in blood sugar.  You wont get a sudden burst of energy

followed by fatigue and a need for another fix.  Most importantly for

general purposes, it does not feed yeast or other microorganisms, and it

naturally increases energy and aids digestion by stimulating the pancreas.



Since artificial sweeteners are banned in Japan, the Japanese are the

greatest consumers of stevia.  A member of the chrysanthemum family (

closely related to tarragon and chamomile and distantly related to

lettuce, artichokes, safflower oil, and sunflower seeds and oil), it is

totally safe and has been used for centuries by the Indians of South

America where it grows wild.



Stevia is available in a number of forms, including a crude green powder

and a brownish liquid extract, which has a strong, unpleasant,

licorice-like taste.  The white powder is used in the Donna Gates Body

Ecology Diet cookbook and is the best form available.  



Working with the white stevia powder (extract) is difficult, so we usually

recommend the Stevia working solution.  To make it, dissolve 1 tsp. white

stevia powder into 3 Tbsp. filtered water.  The white powder may stick to

the spoon but will soon dissolve.  Pour this concentrate into a small

bottle with a dropper top and refrigerate it to increase its shelf life.



A tiny pinch of the powder is so potent that most people put in too much

and find that it is just too sweet for them.  Thats why we recommend

using the liquid and experimenting with a few drops at a time to find your

own personal level of desired sweetness.  One teaspoon of liquid working

solution will approximately equal one cup of sugar.



With the exception of Nicolette Dumke, no one has worked more extensively

to develop recipes using stevia than the Body Ecology Diet staff.  In the

book, Allergy Cooking With Ease, Nicolette gives many recopies for carob

cake and cookies that you may want to try if you have children who need

healthier cakes, especially for birthday parties.  She warns that stevia

sweetened baked goods do not brown very much, so when baking, check them

for doneness by touching and not by color.  Stevia tastes strong in bland

foods, but with stronger flavors such as carob it disappears.  It blends

especially well with citrus fruit flavors such as lemon and cranberry.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 4 May 1995 23:50:12 GMT



>Does anyone have any information (good/bad) on Ginkgo Biloba?  Thanks!

> 

   My impression of Ginkgo Biloba is very favorable. I have read that it is

the most often used herbal food in France and Germany. I think that says a

lot about its safety. Ginkgo is an aid to circulation. I have personally

known elderly people who have used it for failing mental faculties (e.g.

poor memory) with good results. 



  Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

  drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 5 May 1995 00:03:19 GMT



My main source of information on Gingko is _The Honest Herbal_ by

Varro Tyler, Ph.D.  Many 'quack-busters' regard Tyler's work very highly.

Tyler is a tenured professor of pharmacognosy (the branch of pharmacy

that deals with herbal medicine) in the school of pharmacy at Purdue

University.  Steven Barrett mentions in his book _The Vitamin

Pushers_ that Tyler is also the former dean of Purdue's school of

pharmacy.  _The Honest Herbal_ is the one herb book that I have ever

found that relies solely on scientific studies instead of anecdotes

*and* which provides references.



According to Tyler, "...there is an impressive body of literature

attesting to the effectiveness of Gingko Biloba Extract (GBE) in treating

ailments associated with decreased cerebral blood flow, particularly

in geriatric patients.  These conditions include short-term memory

loss, headache, tinnitus, depression and the like.  Clinical and

pharmacological studies have shown that GBE promotes vasodilation

and improved blood flow both in the arteries adn capillaries.  There

are also indications that it is an effective free-radical

scavenger.  Large doses are required, which explains why a

concentrate is used rather than the herb itself."  He goes on to

state that the commonly used form is a concentrated extract,

standardized to 24% flavonoids ("mostly flavonoid glycosides and

quercetin") amd 6% terpenes ("principally a unique group of

diterpenes known as ginkgolides")



He also mentions that the extract has become a very popular drug in

Europe where it is widely used 'for it's beneficial effects on the

circulatory system and as an antiasthmatic'.



Gingko is considered 'probably safe' by the US FDA, which is very

conservative in its safety assessments of medicinal herbs.

However, gingko is not completely innocuous: it reduces the amount

of time needed for blood to clot.  Certainly people with clotting

disorders or who are on anticoagulant medications should be

cautious with it.  Very large doses can cause restlessness, diarrhea,

nausea, vomiting and 'other unpleasant effects, usually of a relatively

mild nature' (Tyler)



Attached below are abstracts off Medline.  Some I found; others were

sent to me by Ivan Goldberg, M.D.



YOU ARE NOW CONNECTED TO THE MEDLINE



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UI  - 92171306

AU  - Dorman DC

AU  - Cote LM

AU  - Buck WB

TI  - Effects of an extract of Gingko biloba on bromethalin-induced

      cerebral lipid peroxidation and edema in rats.

AD  - Department of Veterinary Biosciences, College of Veterinary

      Medicine, University of Illinois, Urbana 61801.

AB  - The effects of administration of a commercially available extract

      of Gingko biloba (EGB) on bromethalin-induced brain lipid

      peroxidation and cerebral edema in adult male Sprague-Dawley rats

      was determined. Gingko biloba extract was given (100 mg/kg) by

      gavage immediately after bromethalin (1.0 mg/kg) administration.

      Rats were euthanatized at 24 hours after dosing. Brain lipid

      peroxidation was determined by measurement of brain

      malonaldehyde-thiobarbituric acid chromophore (MDA-TBA)

      concentration, brain sodium concentration, and brain water

      content. Treatment of bromethalin-dosed rats (10/group) with EGB

      was associated with a statistically significant (P less than

      0.05) decrease in clinical sign severity, compared with

      bromethalin-dosed saline solution-treated rats. All rats given

      bromethalin and saline solution developed clinical signs of

      toxicosis including CNS depression, hind limb weakness, ataxia,

      paralysis, and coma. Some rats given bromethalin and EGB

      developed clinical signs, however, none developed hind limb

      paralysis. The brain MDA-TBA concentration (2.4 +/- 0.5 delta

      MDA-TBA concentration/mg of protein), percentage of water in

      brain tissue (80.3 +/- 0.30%), and brain sodium concentration

      (6.68 +/- 0.21 mg/g of dry weight) were significantly increased

      in rats given bromethalin and saline solution, compared with

      control rats given saline solution (1.0 +/- 0.1 delta MDA-TBA

      concentration/mg of protein; 78.1 +/- 0.33% water in brain

      tissue; 4.83 +/- 0.30 mg of brain Na+/g of dry weight) and rats

      given bromethalin and EGB (1.6 +/- 0.2 delta MDA-TBA

      concentration/mg of protein; 79.3 +/- 0.31% water in brain

      tissue; 5.37 +/- 0.34 mg of brain Na+/g of dry weight).(ABSTRACT

      TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)

PT  - JOURNAL ARTICLE

LA  - Eng

SO  - Am J Vet Res 1992 Jan;53(1):138-42



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UI  - 91030996

AU  - Steurer J

AU  - Siegenthaler-Zuber G

AU  - Siegenthaler W

AU  - Suter S

AU  - Kessler FJ

AU  - Vahlensieck M

AU  - Streuli R

AU  - Lingg G

TI  - [Paroxysmal non-hereditary angioedema]

AD  - Departement fur Innere Medizin, Universitatsspital Zurich.

AB  - Recurrent hypovolaemic shock had been occurring over the last

      five and four years, respectively, in a 53-year-old woman and a

      46-year-old man who had previously been healthy. The attacks were

      characterized by a tension feeling and sometimes oedema in the

      limbs, as well as increased thirst. Within a few hours sweating,

      tachycardia, orthostatic complaints and shock would occur. The

      woman's systolic blood pressure would fall to 70 mm Hg and the

      pulse rate rise to 150/min. The man's blood pressure was not

      measurable by sphygmomanometer during his first attack.

      Haematocrit rose to 61 and 71.5%, haemoglobin concentration to

      20.7 and 21.3 g/dl, respectively. On administration of plasma

      expanders all abnormal clinical and biochemical changes quickly

      disappeared, only to recur within weeks or months. The cause of

      the condition is an increased permeability of the tissue

      capillaries, while renal, pulmonary and cerebral vessels

      apparently are unaffected. During ketotifen and tebonin (gingko

      biloba extract) administration to the man, he required no further

      hospitalization for nine months, after which he had three severe

      attacks. The woman had a severe attack of hypovolaemic shock one

      month on this treatment. The prognosis of capillary leak syndrome

      is bad.

PT  - JOURNAL ARTICLE

LA  - Ger

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UI  - 89273463

AU  - Benveniste I

AU  - Lesot A

AU  - Hasenfratz MP

AU  - Durst F

TI  - Immunochemical characterization of NADPH-cytochrome P-450

      reductase from Jerusalem artichoke and other higher plants.

AD  - Laboratoire d'Enzymologie Cellulaire et Moleculaire, CNRS UA

      1182, Universite Louis-Pasteur, Strasbourg, France.

AB  - Polyclonal antibodies were prepared against NADPH-cytochrome

      P-450 reductase purified from Jerusalem artichoke. These

      antibodies inhibited efficiently the NADPH-cytochrome c reductase

      activity of the purified enzyme, as well as of Jerusalem

      artichoke microsomes. Likewise, microsomal NADPH-dependent

      cytochrome P-450 mono-oxygenases (cinnamate and laurate

      hydroxylases) were efficiently inhibited. The antibodies were

      only slightly inhibitory toward microsomal NADH-cytochrome c

      reductase activity, but lowered NADH-dependent cytochrome P-450

      mono-oxygenase activities. The Jerusalem artichoke

      NADPH-cytochrome P-450 reductase is characterized by its high Mr

      (82,000) as compared with the enzyme from animals

      (76,000-78,000). Western blot analysis revealed cross-reactivity

      of the Jerusalem artichoke reductase antibodies with microsomes

      from plants belonging to different families (monocotyledons and

      dicotyledons). All of the proteins recognized by the antibodies

      had an Mr of approx. 82,000. No cross-reaction was observed with

      microsomes from rat liver or Locusta migratoria midgut. The

      cross-reactivity generally paralleled well the inhibition of

      reductase activity: the enzyme from most higher plants tested was

      inhibited by the antibodies; whereas Gingko biloba, Euglena

      gracilis, yeast, rat liver and insect midgut activities were

      insensitive to the antibodies. These results point to structural

      differences, particularly at the active site, between the

      reductases from higher plants and the enzymes from

      phylogenetically distant plants and from animals.

PT  - JOURNAL ARTICLE

LA  - Eng

SO  - Biochem J 1989 May 1;259(3):847-53



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UI  - 87067168

AU  - Taylor JE

TI  - [Neuromediator binding to receptors in the rat brain. The effect

      of chronic administration of Ginkgo biloba extract]

AB  - The present data confirm the results of others that post-synaptic

      receptor changes may contribute to the decline in brain

      cholinergic function in ageing and dementia. We have also shown

      that chronic oral treatment with an extract of Gingko biloba

      increases the apparent muscarinic receptor population in the

      hippocampus of the aged Fisher 344 rat. The possible effect on

      (3H) kainic acid binding to the kainate-excitatory amino acid

      site is also interesting because of the proposed association of

      neurodegenerative disease and excessive excitatory amino

      neurotransmission.

PT  - JOURNAL ARTICLE

LA  - Fre

SO  - Presse Med 1986 Sep 25;15(31):1491-3



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UI  - 87067171

AU  - Grosdemouge C

AU  - Le Poncin-Lafitte M

AU  - Rapin JR

TI  - [Protective effects of Ginkgo biloba extract on the early rupture

      of the hemato-encephalic barrier in the rat]

AB  - During the hours immediately following an hypertensive burst or a

      cerebral ischemia induced by the intracarotid administration of

      microspheres, damage to the blood brain barrier can be observed

      with molecules of low molecular weight, such as angiotensin,

      whereas albumin or large proteins will not yet have been able to

      cross over and there is virtually no edema. Gingko biloba extract

      causes the brain uptake index of angiotensin hypertensive

      animals. This effect is proportional to the dose of extract used

      (500-100 mg/kg). A similar effect can be observed in animals

      showing embolism in one hemisphere. The process can therefore

      doubtlessly be explained by the stabilizing effect of Ginkgo

      biloba on membranes.

PT  - JOURNAL ARTICLE

LA  - Fre

SO  - Presse Med 1986 Sep 25;15(31):1502-5



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UI  - 89092226

AU  - Halama P

AU  - Bartsch G

AU  - Meng G

TI  - [Disorders of brain performance of vascular origin. Randomized

      double-blind study of the effectiveness of Gingko biloba extract]

PT  - JOURNAL ARTICLE

LA  - Ger

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UI  - 86140444

AU  - Brown RM Jr

TI  - Cellulose microfibril assembly and orientation: recent

      developments.

AB  - A brief history of the literature dealing with cellulose

      microfibril assembly is presented, and a current summary of

      cellulose microfibril synthesizing complexes among eukaryotic

      cells is given. Terminal complexes not described before include

      the following: linear terminal complexes (TCs) with three rows in

      Eremosphaera, Microdictyon and Chaetomorpha; globular terminal

      complexes in Ophioglossum, Psilotum, Equisetum and Gingko.

      Cellulose microfibril assembly in Acetobacter xylinum is

      described very briefly and compared with the process among

      eukaryotic cells. Particular emphasis on structures that may be

      involved in the spatial control of cellulose synthesis is given.

      Among these are cytoplasmic structures such as microtubules and

      microfilaments. Microfilament structures are shown to clearly

      surround individual microtubules that lie adjacent to the plasma

      membrane. Using freeze-fracture techniques, these labile

      associations have been shown for the first time. Microfibril

      orientation may be mediated through an interaction of cortical

      microtubules in association with microfilaments. A review of

      Mueller and Brown's membrane flow model for microfibril

      orientation is presented. Cellulose terminal complex clustering

      and its role in gravitropic response is covered. Definitive

      membrane changes with TC clustering/disaggregation and

      intramembranous particle frequencies, occur within 12 min

      following gravistimulation. These differences are pronounced in

      the cells from upper and lower hemicylinders of rapidly frozen

      tissue, which was studied by the freeze-fracture method. A

      hypothesis for cellulose microfibril interaction in controlling

      the constraint of the growth axis is presented, and the

      supporting data for terminal complex clustering/disaggregation as

      well as fluorescent brightener inhibition of the gravitropic

      response support this hypothesis. The onset and regulation of

      cellulose microfibril assembly is presented for synchronized

      protoplasts generated by Boergesenia, using inhibitors of

      transcription and translation. These results suggest dynamic

      turnover of terminal complex subunits during the assembly of the

      cellulose microfibril. This study is concluded with a brief

      discussion of possible phylogenetic trends in the evolution of

      cellulose synthesis. A principal underlying theme is that the

      specific arrangement and consolidation of the terminal complex

      subunits determine to a large degree the size and shape of the

      microfibril, its crystallinity, as well as intramicrofibrillar

      associations. Three basic types of TCs appear among all

      eukaryotic cells studied so far: namely, the rosette, the

      globular and the linear complex.

PT  - JOURNAL ARTICLE

LA  - Eng

SO  - J Cell Sci Suppl 1985;2:13-32



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UI  - 76278131

AU  - Stange G

AU  - Benning CD

AU  - Degenhardt M

AU  - Ottinger E

TI  - [Adaptational behaviour of peripheral and central acoustic

      responses in guinea pigs under the influence of various fractions

      of an extract from Gingko biloba (author's transl)]

AB  - Experimental studies on 114 guinea pigs proved definitely the

      influence of an extract from Ginkgo biloba batch no. 02 on the

      acoustic system. Experiments with animals ensured that the

      adaptation of excitation of the organ of Corti is significantly

      influenced. This result is shown by registrations of the acoustic

      nerve potentials in the adapted and nonadapted state. The

      relation of excitation to adaptation is significantly changed.

      Under adaptation of excitation an influence on the metabolism of

      involution is probable. The slow evoked potentials of the

      acoustic cortex showed no additional influence on the central

      auditory pathways. With the Ginkgo biloba extract it is probably

      possible to diminish sound damages caused by white noise. Further

      experiments on animals are necessary to ensure the application of

      this pharmaceutical preparation for clinical use.

PT  - JOURNAL ARTICLE

LA  - Ger

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UI  - 76019108

AU  - Spiker S

TI  - An evolutionary comparison of plant histones.

AB  - Histones were extracted from chromatin of the following: a moss

      (Polytrichum juniperinum); the primitive vascular plants Psilotum

      nudum and Equisetum arvense; a fern (Polypodium vulgare); the

      gymnosperms fir (Abies concolor), yew (Taxus canadensis) and

      Gingko biloba; the dicotyledonous angiosperms tobacco (Nicotiana

      tabacum) and maple (Acer saccharinum); and the monocotyledonous

      angiosperms corn (Zea mays) and lily (Lilium longiflorum). The

      histones were subjected to polyacrylamide gel electrophoresis and

      compared to standard histones of pea (Pisum sativum) and cow (Bos

      taurus). All species have histones of the exact electrophoretic

      mobility of histones F2a1 and F3 of cow and pea. All species have

      histones of low electrophoretic mobility assumed to be F1

      histones. None of the plant histones displayed electrophoretic

      mobility between F3 and F2a1 while animal histone fractions F2b

      and F2a2 do migrate to this position. No animal histone fraction

      was found to migrate between F3 and F1 while a major plant

      fraction, designated F2b-like was found to migrate to this

      position in all plant species studied except for the moss and

      Psilotum. A band of similar mobility was strikingly absent from

      the histones of these two species.

PT  - JOURNAL ARTICLE

LA  - Eng

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UI  - 73094428

AU  - Gautherie M

AU  - Bourjat P

AU  - Grosshans E

AU  - Quenneville Y

TI  - [Vasodilator effect of Gingko biloba extract determined by skin

      thermometry and thermography]

MH  - English Abstract

MH  - Hand/BLOOD SUPPLY

MH  - Human

MH  - Infrared Rays

MH  - Methods

MH  - Plant Extracts/PHARMACOLOGY

MH  - *Plants, Medicinal

MH  - Regional Blood Flow

MH  - Skin/*BLOOD SUPPLY

MH  - *Skin Temperature

MH  - Thermography

MH  - Thermometers

MH  - Vascular Diseases/DRUG THERAPY

MH  - Vasodilator Agents/*PHARMACOLOGY

PT  - JOURNAL ARTICLE

LA  - Fre

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UI  - 68315810

AU  - Volkner JH

TI  - [Inhalations of extracts from Gingko biloba in vasomotor rhinitis

      and in the bronchitic syndrome]

MH  - Aerosols

MH  - Bioflavonoids/*THERAPEUTIC USE

MH  - Bronchitis/*DRUG THERAPY

MH  - Hay Fever/*DRUG THERAPY

MH  - Human

MH  - Plant Extracts/THERAPEUTIC USE

MH  - *Plants

MH  - Respiratory Therapy

PT  - JOURNAL ARTICLE

LA  - Ger

SO  - Dtsch Med J 1967 Sep 5;18(17):527-33





      MEDLINE Search on Controlled Studies of Ginkgo Balboa Therapy

                        ~~~~~~~~~~

                       By, Ivan Goldberg, MD

 

AU Sandberg-Gertzen-H.

TI An open trial of Cedemin, a *Gingko* biloba extract with

   PAF-antagonistic effects for ulcerative colitis [letter].

SO Am-J-Gastroenterol.  1993 Apr.  88(4).  P 615-6.

JT AMERICAN JOURNAL OF GASTROENTEROLOGY.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  LETTER (LET).

LG English (EN).

MJ COLITIS-ULCERATIVE: drug-therapy (dt).  DRUGS-CHINESE-HERBAL:

   therapeutic-use (tu).  PLATELET-ACTIVATING-FACTOR:

   antagonists-and-inhibitors (ai).

MN ADULT.  AGED.  FEMALE.  HUMAN.  MALE.  MIDDLE-AGE.  

 

 

AU Letzel-H.  Schoop-W.

TI *[Gingko* biloba extract EGb 761 and pentoxifylline in intermittent

   claudication.  Secondary analysis of the clinical effectiveness].

TT *Gingko-biloba-Extrakt* EGb 761 und Pentoxifyllin bei Claudicatio

   intermittens.  Sekundaranalyse zur klinischen Wirksamkeit.

SO Vasa.  1992.  21(4).  P 403-10.

JT VASA.

PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).  REVIEW (REV).  REVIEW-TUTORIAL (TUT).

LG German (GE).

AB Clinical trials on the efficacy of EGb 761 and pentoxifylline are

   summarized in the context of their methods and results and compared

   with each other.  All *placebo-controlled,* randomized and double-blind

   studies with the major target objective of "pain-free walking

   distance" were selected.  The pentoxifylline studies were adopted

   from a survey of the existing literature in the English language,

   which has been brought up to date via DIMDI research.  The studies on

   both active substances are fraught with similar difficulties as to

   method, and are not different as regards their quality.  The increase

   in walking distance is highly variable, especially in the

   pentoxifylline studies.  On average through each and all of the

   studies on both preparations, an increase of 45% (EGb 761) or 57%

   (pentoxifylline) in relation to initial values is here found.  No

   differences in the documentation of efficacy and the clinical

   efficacy were discovered between the two substances, both of which

   are registered as effective substances in the treatment of peripheral

   arterial occlusion (pAO) in accordance with the Federal German Drugs

   Law (Arzneimittelgesetz, AMG) of 1976.  Author-abstract. 27 Refs.

 

 

AU Kiesewetter-H.  Jung-F.  Mrowietz-C.  Wenzel-E.

IN Department of Clinical Hemostasiology and Transfusion Medicine,

   University of the Saarland, Homburg-Saar, Germany.

TI Hemorrheological and circulatory effects of Gincosan.

SO Int-J-Clin-Pharmacol-Ther-Toxicol.  1992 Mar.  30(3).  P 97-102.

JT INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY, THERAPY, AND

   TOXICOLOGY.

PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG English (EN).

AB Gincosan is a combined preparation containing 60 mg *ginkgo* biloba and

   100 mg ginseng, standardized of 24% *ginkgo* flavone glycosides and 4%

   ginsenosides.  Hemorrheological and circulatory effect as well as

   blood pressure behavior after the administration of gincosan were

   studied in an acute trial on 10 voluntary subjects with a mean age of

   26 years.  Systolic blood pressure decreased significantly both for

   the large-dose (120 mg *ginkgo* biloba +200 mg ginseng) and low-dose

   administration (60 mg *ginkgo* biloba +100 mg ginseng).  Diastolic

   blood pressure and heart rate decreased only in the high dosage

   group.  The pathologically increased spontaneous platelet aggregation

   is reduced by both dosages.  Erythrocyte velocity in nail fold

   capillaries increased significantly only in the high dosage group.

   The parallel group comparison of the high dosage and *placebo* group

   showed that they differ only significantly concerning the erythrocyte

   rigidity, erythrocyte velocity in nail fold capillaries and

   spontaneous platelet aggregation.  A trend towards a decrease in the

   systolic blood pressure is revealed (p less than 0.1).

   Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Schneider-B.

IN Institut fur Biometrie, Medizinische Hochschule Hannover.

TI *[Ginkgo* biloba extract in peripheral arterial diseases.

   Meta-analysis of controlled clinical studies].

TT *Ginkgo-biloba-Extrakt* bei peripheren arteriellen

   Verschlusskrankheiten.  Meta-Analyse von kontrollierten klinischen

   Studien.

SO Arzneimittelforschung.  1992 Apr.  42(4).  P 428-36.

JT ARZNEIMITTEL-FORSCHUNG.

PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).  META-ANALYSIS (MTA).

LG German (GE).

AB In the first part the statistical methods of meta-analysis are

   discussed.  Meta-analysis is considered as a statistical tool for

   quantitatively summarizing the results of clinical trials with

   comparable aims (treatments) and designs.  Meta-analysis can be based

   on the significance probabilities or effect values.  The last

   procedure is preferable as it gives an estimate (and confidence

   interval) for the global effect of the treatment of interest, if

   homogeneity of the effects between the trials can be assumed.  Such

   a homogeneity can be often achieved by a suitable standardization of

   the effect variables within the trials.  In the second part the

   methods of meta-analysis are applied to controlled clinical trials

   with *Ginkgo* biloba extract EGb 761 in patients with peripheral

   arterial disease.  Included were 5 *placebo-controlled* clinical trials

   with similar design and inclusion criteria.  In all studies treatment

   effect was quantified by the increase of walking distance (measured

   in standardized treadmill exercise).  The effect value of EGb 761

   treatment was expressed by the standardized mean difference in

   walking distance increase between EGb 761 and *placebo,* standardized

   by the standard deviation.  It could be shown that this effect value

   is homogeneous in all trials.  The global effect size was estimated

   as 0.75.  This means that the mean increase in walking distance

   achieved by EGb 761 is 0.75 times of the standard deviation higher

   than that achieved by *placebo.*  This value is highly significant

   different from zero.  So the meta-analysis revealed a highly

   significant therapeutic effect of EGb 761 for the treatment of

   peripheral arterial disease.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Grassel-E.

IN Abteilung fur Medizinische Psychologie und Psychopathometrie,

   Universitat Erlangen-Nurnberg.

TI [Effect of *Ginkgo-biloba* extract on mental performance.  Double-blind

   study using computerized measurement conditions in patients with

   cerebral insufficiency].

TT Einfluss von *Ginkgo-biloba-Extrakt* auf die geistige

   Leistungsfahigkeit.  Doppelblindstudie unter computerisierten

   Messbedingungen bei Patienten mit Zerebralinsuffizienz.

SO Fortschr-Med.  1992 Feb 20.  110(5).  P 73-6.

JT FORTSCHRITTE DER MEDIZIN.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

   RANDOMIZED-CONTROLLED-TRIAL (RCT).

LG German (GE).

AB Problem: The effect of *ginkgo* biloba extract EGb 761 on basic

   parameters of mental performance.  Patients: Seventy-two outpatients

   with cerebral insufficiency at three test centers.  Study design:

   Double-blind, randomized *placebo-controlled* study of 24 weeks

   duration.  Test parameters: Psychometric computer-aided examination

   of the short-term memory and basic learning rate.  Results:

   Statistically significant improvement in the short-term memory after

   6 weeks and of the learning rate after 24 weeks in the test substance

   group, but not in the *placebo* group (longitudinal analysis).  The

   difference between the test substance and *placebo* groups (horizontal

   analysis) reached statistical significance in the 24th week.

   Conclusions: Treatment with *ginkgo* biloba extract EGb 761 improves

   mental/mnestic performance.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Rai-G-S.  Shovlin-C.  Wesnes-K-A.

IN Department of Geriatric Medicine, Whittington Hospital, London,

   England.

TI A double-blind, *placebo* controlled study of *Ginkgo* biloba extract

   ('tanakan') in elderly outpatients with mild to moderate memory

   impairment.

SO Curr-Med-Res-Opin.  1991.  12(6).  P 350-5.

JT CURRENT MEDICAL RESEARCH AND OPINION.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

   RANDOMIZED-CONTROLLED-TRIAL (RCT).

LG English (EN).

AB Thirty-one patients over the age of 50 years and showing a mild to

   moderate degree of memory impairment entered a 6-month double-blind,

   *placebo* controlled, parallel group design study to assess the effects

   of a standardized *Ginkgo* biloba extract (containing 24% flavonoid

   glycosides and 6% terpenes) on cognitive function.  Patients were

   allocated at *random* to receive oral doses of 40 mg *Ginkgo* biloba

   extract or identical *placebo* 3-times daily.  Assessments were made at

   baseline and after 12 and 24 weeks of treatment using a range of

   psychometric tests.  Efficacy data were available for 27 patients (15

   in the *placebo* group and 12 in the active treatment group).

   Statistical analysis of the data as compared to baseline suggests

   that *Ginkgo* biloba extract had a beneficial effect on cognitive

   function in this group of patients.  Performance on the Digit Copying

   sub-test of the Kendrick battery was significantly improved at both

   12 and 24 weeks, while the median speed of response on a computerized

   version of a classification task also showed a significant

   superiority over *placebo* at 24 weeks.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Warot-D.  Lacomblez-L.  Danjou-P.  Weiller-E.  Payan-C.  Puech-A-J.

IN Departement de Pharmacologie, Groupe Hospitalier, Pitie-Salpetriere,

   Division Ambroise Pare, Paris.

TI [Comparative effects of *ginkgo* biloba extracts on psychomotor

   performances and memory in healthy subjects].

TT Comparaison des effets d'extraits de *Ginkgo* biloba sur les

   performances psychomotrices et la memoire chez le sujet sain.

SO Therapie.  1991 Jan-Feb.  46(1).  P 33-6.

JT THERAPIE.

PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).  REVIEW (REV).  REVIEW-TUTORIAL (TUT).

LG French (FR).

AB The effect on psychomotor and mnesic performances of acute oral dose

   (600 mg) of 2 *Ginkgo* biloba extracts were evaluated in twelve healthy

   female in a dummy *placebo-controlled* double blind study.  Tests were

   performed comprising: objective measures of vigilance [critical

   flicker frequency (CFF), choice reaction time (CRT)], memory tasks

   (pictures and Sternberg scanning tests) and self-rating evaluation

   (visual analogue scales).  Tests session took place before and 1 hour

   post-dosing.  No statistically significant changes from *placebo* were

   observed on CFF, CRT or subjective rating of drug effects.  No

   differences between treatment were evidenced on Sternberg scanning

   test and pictures recognition.  Comparing to baseline, free recall

   score, while decreasing under *placebo* and *Ginkgo,* remained the same

   under Tanakan.  As the differences between treatment are localized on

   one test, it appears important to examine the reproducibility in

   healthy subjects.  In order to verify the clinical relevance of these

   results, they need to be replicated in older healthy volunteers with

   age-associated memory impairment.  Author-abstract. 24 Refs.

 

 

AU Eckmann-F.

IN Landeskrankenhaus Schleswig.

TI [Cerebral insufficiency--treatment with *Ginkgo-biloba* extract.  Time

   of onset of effect in a double-blind study with 60 inpatients].

TT Hirnleistungsstorungen--Behandlung mit *Ginkgo-biloba-Extrakt.* 

   Zeitpunkt des Wirkungseintrits in einer Doppelblindstudie mit 60

   stationaren Patienten.

SO Fortschr-Med.  1990 Oct 10.  108(29).  P 557-60.

JT FORTSCHRITTE DER MEDIZIN.

PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG German (GE).

AB Sixty inpatients with cerebral insufficiency and the leading symptom

   depressive mood, were treated in a double-blind study for 6 weeks

   with a daily dose of 160 mg *Ginkgo* biloba extract or *placebo.*  After

   2, 4 and 6 weeks, changes in 12 typical symptoms in comparison with

   the last examination, were evaluated.  In the group receiving

   *placebo,* small, but progressive improvements were observed.  In the

   *Ginkgo-biloba* group, the overall number of improvements was

   significantly larger.  After 2 weeks the differences were marked for

   only a few of the symptoms; after 4 and 6 weeks in contrast, in 11 of

   the 12 symptoms.  The largest number of improvements in the

   *Ginkgo-biloba* group was observed between the 2nd and 4th weeks of

   treatment.  In this period, about two-thirds of the patients on

   *Ginkgo-biloba,* and about one-fifth of the patients on *placebo* showed

   improvements.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Jung-F.  Mrowietz-C.  Kiesewetter-H.  Wenzel-E.

IN Department of Clinical Haemostasiology and Transfusion Medicine,

   University of Saarland, Homburg/Saar, Fed. Rep. of Germany.

TI Effect of *Ginkgo* biloba on fluidity of blood and peripheral

   microcirculation in volunteers.

SO Arzneimittelforschung.  1990 May.  40(5).  P 589-93.

JT ARZNEIMITTEL-FORSCHUNG.

PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG English (EN).

AB In a randomized *placebo* controlled single-blind cross-over study of

   n = 10 apparently healthy subjects the influence of *Ginkgo* biloba

   (Kaveri) on blood fluidity and cutaneous microcirculation was

   studied.  Microcirculation was measured before and every 30 min for

   4 h after administration of *Ginkgo* biloba; fluidity of blood was

   determined before and after 1, 2 and 4 h. Significant changes in

   blood pressure or heart rate were found neither during *Ginkgo* phase

   nor *placebo* phase.  Hematocrit, plasma viscosity, erythrocyte

   rigidity, thrombocyte and leukocyte count as well as thrombocyte

   aggregation and the number of circulating thrombocyte aggregates were

   also not influenced by the *Ginkgo* nor the *placebo* solution.  In

   contrast a remarkable influence on the erythrocyte aggregation was

   observed: comparing two samples a significant decrease by 15.6% (p

   less than 0.001) with regard to the initial value was observed after

   2 h. The blood flow in the nail fold capillaries also increased

   significantly by about 57% (p less than 0.004) 1 h after

   administration.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Hofferberth-B.

IN Klinik fur Neurologie der Westfalischen Wilhelms-Universitat

   Munster/Westf.

TI [The effect of *Ginkgo* biloba extract on neurophysiological and

   psychometric measurement results in patients with psychotic organic

   brain syndrome.  A double-blind study against *placebo].* 

TT Einfluss von *Ginkgo* biloba-Extrakt auf neurophysiologische und

   psychometrische Messergebnisse bei Patienten mit hirnorganischem

   Psychosyndrom.  Eine Doppelblindstudie gegen Plazebo.

SO Arzneimittelforschung.  1989 Aug.  39(8).  P 918-22.

JT ARZNEIMITTEL-FORSCHUNG.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

   RANDOMIZED-CONTROLLED-TRIAL (RCT).

LG German (GE).

AB The range of typical symptoms of cerebro-organic syndrome such as

   dizziness, memory and concentration loss, and orientation disorders

   can either be measured objectively within a clinical trial or can be

   observed subjectively.  Thirty-six patients with classical symptoms

   of organic syndrome were recruited into a *placebo-controlled* 

   double-blind trial in which the therapeutic effect of *Ginkgo* biloba

   extract EGb 761 (rokan) was measured by the following objective

   criteria: quantified EEG, saccadic eye movements and psychometric

   tests (Wiener Determination Test, Number Connection Test).  Following

   2 weeks' wash-out, 40 mg.  EGb 761 was administered 3 times daily (=

   120 mg daily dose) for 8 weeks.  The control group received *placebo* 

   capsules of identical external appearance.  The tests listed above

   were carried out prior to treatment and after 4 and 8 weeks' therapy

   with the exception of quantitative EEG which was recorded at the

   beginning and end of treatment only.  Patients presenting with

   pathological findings for at least two of the four test criteria were

   admitted to the trial.  Patients receiving unpermitted supplementary

   medication or suffering from acute cardiovascular disturbances or

   digestive and metabolic disorders were excluded from the trial.  A

   highly significant difference could already been seen after 4 weeks

   of therapy and also after 8 weeks in the results of both the saccadic

   test and the psychometric tests compared to the *placebo* control

   group.  Saccade duration was shortened and the latency reduced.  In

   parallel, the number of correct answers given in the Wiener

   Determination Test and Number Connection Test increased significantly

   compared to the control group.  (ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS).

   Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Saudreau-F.  Serise-J-M.  Pillet-J.  Maiza-D.  Mercier-V.  Kretz-J-G.

   Thibert-A.

IN Clinique chirurgicale mutualiste, Lorient.

TI [Efficacy of an extract of *Ginkgo* biloba in the treatment of chronic

   obliterating arteriopathies of the lower limbs in stage III of

   Fontaine's classification].

TT Efficacite de l'extrait de *Ginkgo* biloba dans le traitement des

   arteriopathies obliterantes chroniques des membres inferieurs au

   stade III de la classification de Fontaine.

SO J-Mal-Vasc.  1989.  14(3).  P 177-82.

JT JOURNAL DES MALADIES VASCULAIRES.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).  MULTICENTER-STUDY

   (MUL).

LG French (FR).

AB A controlled trial of *Ginkgo* biloba extract in injectable form

   (Tanakan 50 mg, a lyophilizate for parenteral use) was carried out

   versus a *placebo* as a preoperative medical treatment of stage III

   (Fontaine classification) chronic occlusive arterial disease of the

   lower limbs (with pain in decubitus).  The 64 men and women patients

   in this multicenter study (32 in each group) were over 18 years of

   age and had a cultural and intellectual level as well as a physical

   condition allowing them to play an active role in the experiment

   (self-evaluation of pain).  During 8 days they received two daily

   infusions of 500 cc of normal saline solution containing either 100

   mg of *Ginkgo* biloba extract or a *placebo* of identical appearance.

   During this period, anticoagulants were authorized; hemodilution,

   vasoactive drugs and platelet anti-aggregates were forbidden;

   pentazocine (Fortal, 50-mg tablets) was allowed at the patient's

   request.  Pain was rated according to a visual scale, with each

   patient marking a point between two extremes ("maximum imaginable

   pain" and "total absence of pain") 100 mm apart.  A questionnaire

   based on that of Melzack (McGill Pain Questionnaire) completed this

   qualitative as well as quantitative self-evaluation of pain.  The

   results of these questionnaires were assessed on the basis of 4

   scores, each determined by the patient's choice among 3 evaluation

   figures.  The chi square, Student and Wilcoxon tests were used for

   statistical analysis.  Results: The two randomly-composed groups with

   *Ginkgo* biloba extract and a *placebo* were comparable (Table I).

   Analysis was based on 55 observations (26 in the extract group and 29

   in the *placebo* group).(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS).

   Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Duche-J-C.  Barre-J.  Guinot-P.  Duchier-J.  Cournot-A.

   Tillement-J-P.

IN Laboratoire Hospitalo-Universitaire de Pharmacologie, Centre

   Hospitalier Intercommunal, Creteil, France.

TI Effect of *Ginkgo* biloba extract on microsomal enzyme induction.

SO Int-J-Clin-Pharmacol-Res.  1989.  9(3).  P 165-8.

JT INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY RESEARCH.

PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG English (EN).

AB Twenty-four healthy volunteers were divided in three groups who were

   randomly assigned different treatments for 13 days: group I received

   400 mg/day of a defined *Ginkgo* biloba extract (GBE), group II 300

   mg/day of phenytoin and group III a *placebo.*  The elimination

   half-life of antipyrine was measured with a high performance liquid

   chromatographic technique initially and on the last day of the

   administration of the treatments.  The results show that the

   half-life of antipyrine was not affected by GBE and *placebo* 

   treatments, whereas it was significantly decreased (p less than 0.05)

   frm 12.2 to 6.8 h after phenytoin control treatment.  This study

   demonstrates that GBE has no effect on the hepatic microsomal drug

   oxidation system.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Koltringer-P.  Eber-O.

IN Krankenhaus der Barmherzigen Bruder Graz-Eggenburg.

TI [Collagen-induced thrombocyte aggregation in parenteral therapy using

   *Ginkgo* biloba].

TT Die kollageninduzierte Thrombozytenaggregation unter parenteraler

   *Ginkgo-biloba-Therapie.* 

SO Wien-Med-Wochenschr.  1989 Mar 15.  139(5).  P 92-4.

JT WIENER MEDIZINISCHE WOCHENSCHRIFT.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG German (GE).

AB 24 patients suffering from arteriosclerotic disorders were divided

   into 2 groups.  One half received 250 ml NaCl with 25 ml

   *Ginkgo-biloba-extract* the other 12 were treated with 250 ml NaCl

   without this substance.  The collagen induced platelet aggregation

   was determined before, immediately after infusion and on the next

   day.  The platelet aggregation increased in both collectives after

   infusion.  In the group treated with *Ginkgo-biloba-extract* after 1

   day values returned into normal range while the aggregation remained

   increased in the NaCl-group.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Koltringer-P.  Eber-O.  Klima-G.  Rothlauer-W.  Wakonig-P.

   Langsteger-W.  Lind-P.

IN Krankenhaus der Barmherzigen Bruder, Graz-Eggenberg.

TI [Microcirculation in parenteral *Ginkgo* biloba extract therapy].

TT Die Mikrozirkulation unter parenteraler

   *Ginkgo-biloba-Extrakt-Therapie.* 

SO Wien-Klin-Wochenschr.  1989 Mar 17.  101(6).  P 198-200.

JT WIENER KLINISCHE WOCHENSCHRIFT.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG German (GE).

AB 15 patients with arteriosclerotic lesions in the extracranial brain

   arteries, randomly selected, were treated with an infusion of 250 ml

   physiological NaCl and 25 ml *Ginkgo* biloba extract (Tebonin).  A

   second group (n = 15) received 250 ml NaCl without drugs stimulating

   blood flow.  The skin microcirculation was measured in vivo by means

   of a helium-neon laser at one of the 4 extremities.  Perfusion

   increased significantly (p less than or equal to 0.01) in response to

   *Ginkgo* biloba extract als composed with the response in the control

   group.  The results justify the administration of *Ginkgo* biloba

   extract in vascular diseases.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Lanthony-P.  Cosson-J-P.

IN Laboratoire de la Vision des Couleurs, Centre Hospitalier National

   d'Ophtalmologie des Quinze-Vingts, Paris.

TI [The course of color vision in early diabetic retinopathy treated

   with *Ginkgo* biloba extract.  A preliminary double-blind versus

   *placebo* study].

TT Evolution de la vision des couleurs dans la retinopathie diabetique

   debutante traitee par extrait de *Ginkgo* biloba.  Etude preliminaire

   a double insu contre *placebo.* 

SO J-Fr-Ophtalmol.  1988.  11(10).  P 671-4.

JT JOURNAL FRANCAIS D OPHTALMOLOGIE.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG French (FR).

AB The therapeutic efficiency of the *Ginkgo* biloba extract was estimated

   in a double-blind trial, during a 6 months period, in 29 diabetic

   subjects with an early diabetic retinopathy evidenced by angiography,

   and associated with a blue-yellow dyschromatopsia.  The functional

   criterion was the color vision evolution, studied by the Desaturated

   Panel D-15 and the 100-Hue Farnsworth test at the beginning of the

   trial and 6 months later.  An improvement tendency was evidenced in

   subjects treated by *Ginkgo* biloba extract, and an aggravation in

   subjects with *placebo,* this improvement being statistically

   significant with the Desaturated Panel D-15 among subjects without

   retinal ischemia.  These clinical results on visual function

   corroborate the pharmacological actions of *Ginkgo* biloba extract on

   diabetic retina.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Halama-P.  Bartsch-G.  Meng-G.

TI [Disorders of brain performance of vascular origin.  Randomized

   double-blind study of the effectiveness of *Gingko* biloba extract].

TT Hirnleistungsstorungen vaskularer Genese.  Randomisierte

   Doppelblindstudie zur Wirksamkeit von *Gingko-biloba-Extrakt.* 

SO Fortschr-Med.  1988 Jun 30.  106(19).  P 408-12.

JT FORTSCHRITTE DER MEDIZIN.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG German (GE).

MJ BIOFLAVONOIDS: therapeutic-use (tu).  CEREBRAL-ISCHEMIA: drug-therapy

   (dt).  ORGANIC-MENTAL-DISORDERS: drug-therapy (dt).

MN CLINICAL-TRIALS.  DOUBLE-BLIND-METHOD.  ENGLISH-ABSTRACT.  HUMAN.

   MIDDLE-AGE.  *RANDOM-ALLOCATION.* 

 

 

AU Rudofsky-G.

TI [Effect of *Ginkgo* biloba extract in arterial occlusive disease.

   Randomized *placebo* controlled crossover study].

TT Wirkung von *Ginkgo-biloba-Extrakt* bei arterieller

   Verschlusskrankheit.  Randomisierte plazebokontrollierte

   Cross-over-Doppelblindstudie.

SO Fortschr-Med.  1987 Jul 10.  105(20).  P 397-400.

JT FORTSCHRITTE DER MEDIZIN.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG German (GE).

MJ ARTERIAL-OCCLUSIVE-DISEASES: drug-therapy (dt).  BIOFLAVONOIDS:

   therapeutic-use (tu).  INTERMITTENT-CLAUDICATION: drug-therapy (dt).

MN AGED.  CLINICAL-TRIALS.  DOUBLE-BLIND-METHOD.  ENGLISH-ABSTRACT.

   HUMAN.  MIDDLE-AGE.  *RANDOM-ALLOCATION.* 

 

 

AU Hindmarch-I.

TI [Activity of *Ginkgo* biloba extract on short-term memory].

TT Activite de l'extrait de *Ginkgo* biloba sur la memoire a court terme.

SO Presse-Med.  1986 Sep 25.  15(31).  P 1592-4.

JT PRESSE MEDICALE.

PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG French (FR).

AB Eight healthy female volunteers were included in a double-blind,

   cross-over trial comparing *Ginkgo* biloba extract in acute and

   ascending doses (120, 240, 600 mg) with a *placebo.*  One hour after

   treatment they were subjected to a battery of tests, including:

   critical flicker fusion, choice reaction time, subjective rating

   scale and Sternberg memory scanning test.  No statistically

   significant differences with the *placebo* were observed in the first

   three tests.  In contrast, short term memory, as assessed by the

   Sternberg technique, was very significantly improved following 600 mg

   of *Ginkgo* biloba extract, as compared with the *placebo.*  These

   results differentiate *Ginkgo* biloba extract from sedative and

   stimulant drugs and suggest a specific effect on memory processes.

   Author-abstract.

MJ MEMORY-SHORT-TERM: drug-effects (de).  PLANTS-MEDICINAL.  TREES.  

MN ADULT.  COMPARATIVE-STUDY.  DOSE-RESPONSE-RELATIONSHIP-DRUG.

   DOUBLE-BLIND-METHOD.  DRUG-EVALUATION.  ENGLISH-ABSTRACT.  FEMALE.

   HUMAN.  PLANT-EXTRACTS: pharmacology (pd).  PSYCHOLOGICAL-TESTS.

   REACTION-TIME: drug-effects (de).

 

 

AU Taillandier-J.  Ammar-A.  Rabourdin-J-P.  Ribeyre-J-P.  Pichon-J.

   Niddam-S.  Pierart-H.

TI [Treatment of cerebral aging disorders with *Ginkgo* biloba extract.

   A longitudinal multicenter double-blind drug vs.  *placebo* study].

TT Traitement des troubles du vieillissement cerebral par l'extrait de

   *Ginkgo* biloba.  Etude longitudinale multicentrique a double insu face

   au *placebo.* 

SO Presse-Med.  1986 Sep 25.  15(31).  P 1583-7.

JT PRESSE MEDICALE.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG French (FR).

AB The effectiveness of *Ginkgo* biloba extract in the treatment of

   cerebral disorders due to ageing was evaluated in a multicenter,

   double-blind, drug versus *placebo* trial involving 166 patients.  In

   this study carried out under strict methodological conditions a

   specially devised geriatric clinical evaluation scale was used.  The

   results confirmed that *Ginkgo* biloba extract is effective against

   cerebral disorders due to ageing.  The difference between control and

   treatment groups became significant at 3 months and increased during

   the following months.  These results were concordant with the overall

   clinical assessment made by the specialist in charge.

   Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Haguenauer-J-P.  Cantenot-F.  Koskas-H.  Pierart-H.

TI [Treatment of equilibrium disorders with *Ginkgo* biloba extract.  A

   multicenter double-blind drug vs.  *placebo* study].

TT Traitement des troubles de l'equilibre par l'extrait de *Ginkgo* 

   biloba.  Etude multicentrique a double insu face au *placebo.* 

SO Presse-Med.  1986 Sep 25.  15(31).  P 1569-72.

JT PRESSE MEDICALE.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG French (FR).

AB This study, conducted in 3 centers, included 70 patients with

   vertiginous syndrome of recent onset and undetermined origin.  In a

   double-blind trial extending over a 3-month period they were given

   either *Ginkgo* biloba extract or a *placebo.*  The effectiveness of

   *Ginkgo* biloba extract on the intensity, frequency and duration of the

   disorder was statistically significant.  At the end of the trial, 47%

   of the patients treated were rid of their symptoms as against 18% of

   those who received the *placebo.*  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Meyer-B.

TI [Multicenter randomized double-blind drug vs.  *placebo* study of the

   treatment of tinnitus with *Ginkgo* biloba extract].

TT Etude multicentrique randomisee a double insu face au *placebo* du

   traitement des acouphenes par l'extrait de *Ginkgo* biloba.

SO Presse-Med.  1986 Sep 25.  15(31).  P 1562-4.

JT PRESSE MEDICALE.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG French (FR).

AB This important multicenter study of 103 tinnitus out-patients during

   a 13-month treatment period was carried out by ten E.N.T.

   specialists, using the double blind, drug versus *placebo* method.  The

   results were conclusive as regards the effectiveness of *Ginkgo* biloba

   extract and made it possible to determine the prognostic value of

   different parameters.  Of special importance among these parameters

   were site and periodicity of the disease.  However, the *Ginkgo* biloba

   extract treatment improved the condition of all the tinnitus

   patients, irrespective of the prognostic factor.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Dubreuil-C.

TI [Therapeutic trial in acute cochlear deafness.  A comparative study

   of *Ginkgo* biloba extract and nicergoline].

TT Essai therapeutique dans les surdites cochleaires aigues.  Etude

   comparative de l'extrait de *Ginkgo* biloba et de la nicergoline.

SO Presse-Med.  1986 Sep 25.  15(31).  P 1559-61.

JT PRESSE MEDICALE.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG French (FR).

AB Ischemia and the metabolic disorder it entails would seem to be the

   pathogenic mechanism behind acute cochlear deafness, irrespective of

   the triggering process.  The prognosis is entirely dependent on the

   rapid initiation of an effective treatment.  At the end of a

   double-blind therapeutic trial comparing *Ginkgo* biloba extract and a

   standard alpha blocker (nicergoline), a significant recovery was

   observed in both therapeutic groups, but improvement was distinctly

   better in the *Ginkgo* biloba group.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Lebuisson-D-A.  Leroy-L.  Rigal-G.

TI [Treatment of senile macular degeneration with *Ginkgo* biloba extract.

   A preliminary double-blind drug vs.  *placebo* study].

TT Traitement des degenerescences "maculaires seniles" par l'extrait de

   *Ginkgo* biloba.  Etude preliminaire a double insu face au *placebo.* 

SO Presse-Med.  1986 Sep 25.  15(31).  P 1556-8.

JT PRESSE MEDICALE.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG French (FR).

AB Senile macular degeneration is a frequent cause of blindness for

   which there is no satisfactory medical treatment.  A double-blind

   trial comparing *Ginkgo* biloba extract with a *placebo* was conducted in

   10 out-patients at the Hopital Foch.  Drug effectiveness was assessed

   on the results of fundoscopy and of measurements of visual acuity and

   visual field.  In spite of the small population sample, a

   statistically significant improvement in long distance visual acuity

   was observed after treatment with *Ginkgo* biloba extract.  The assumed

   pathogenesis of senile macular degeneration is discussed with

   emphasis on free oxygenated radicals.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Bauer-U.

TI *[Ginkgo* biloba extract in the treatment of arteriopathy of the lower

   extremities.  A 65-week trial].

TT L'extrait de *Ginkgo* biloba dans le traitement de l'arteriopathie des

   membres inferieurs.  Etude sur 65 semaines.

SO Presse-Med.  1986 Sep 25.  15(31).  P 1546-9.

JT PRESSE MEDICALE.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG French (FR).

AB Thirty-six patients with arteritis were treated with *Ginkgo* biloba

   extract for sixty-five weeks.  For the first six months of the

   treatment period, these patients participated in a double-blind

   randomised comparison with 35 well matched patients taking *placebo.* 

   Subsequently, those patients taking *Ginkgo* biloba extract were given

   the option to continue treatment on an open basis with follow-up at

   regular three-monthly intervals.  *Ginkgo* biloba extract therapy gave

   significantly greater pain relief and walking tolerance than the

   *placebo* after 6 months of treatment, and this improvement continued

   throughout the whole duration of the study.  This symptomatic and

   measurable improvement was combined with excellent tolerance of the

   drug.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Meyer-B.

TI [A multicenter study of tinnitus.  Epidemiology and therapy].

TT Etude multicentrique des acouphenes.  Epidemiologie et therapeutique.

SO Ann-Otolaryngol-Chir-Cervicofac.  1986.  103(3).  P 185-8.

JT ANNALES D OTO-LARYNGOLOGIE ET DE CHIRURGIE CERVICO-FACIALE.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG French (FR).

AB A comparative, randomized multicenter study of 259 patients with

   tinnitus had three objectives.  First, to conduct an epidemiology

   survey of cases of tinnitus of less than one year duration.  Second,

   to determine prognostic factors to establish profiles of patients

   with different courses of the disorder.  Third, to quantify

   therapeutic efficacy of three medicines of the same therapeutic class

   but with different modes of action: *Ginkgo* biloba extract,

   almitrine-raubasine and nicergoline.  Statistical analysis of

   findings showed prognostic significance for 3 parameters: chronicity,

   periodicity and uni- or bilateral nature of symptom, as well as the

   value of *Ginkgo* biloba in the treatment of tinnitus unrelated to its

 

 

 

 

 

   initial description.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Weitbrecht-W-U.  Jansen-W.

TI [Primary degenerative dementia: therapy with *Ginkgo* biloba extract.

   *Placebo-controlled* double-blind and comparative study].

TT Primar degenerative Demenz: Therapie mit *Ginkgo-biloba-Extrakt.* 

   Plazebo-kontrollierte Doppelblind- und Vergleichsstudie.

SO Fortschr-Med.  1986 Mar 6.  104(9).  P 199-202.

JT FORTSCHRITTE DER MEDIZIN.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG German (GE).

 

 

AU Gessner-B.  Voelp-A.  Klasser-M.

TI Study of the long-term action of a *Ginkgo* biloba extract on vigilance

   and mental performance as determined by means of quantitative

   pharmaco-EEG and psychometric measurements.

SO Arzneimittelforschung.  1985.  35(9).  P 1459-65.

JT ARZNEIMITTEL-FORSCHUNG.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG English (EN).

AB The action of a *Ginkgo* biloba extract (rokan, Tanakan, G.B.E.) in

   promoting blood flow has been demonstrated in several animal and

   human pharmacological studies.  The aim of this present study was to

   estimate the action of the substance on the central nervous system in

   order to be able to assess its potential use as a therapeutic agent

   in geriatric patients with cerebral insufficiency.  Quantitative

   pharmaco-EEG is the method of choice for studying the

   vigilance-promoting effects of a drug.  It is incomparable for

   confirming the findings of behavioral and psychometric studies.  60

   volunteers of either sex participated in the double-blind trial.

   They were aged 57-77 years and showed mental deterioration

   corresponding to their age.  They were randomly divided into three

   experimental groups: 20 subjects received 3 X 40 mg/day G.B.E., 20

   received 5 mg nicergoline and 20 received a *placebo* of similar

   appearance.  The subjects underwent an extensive series of

   examinations before and 4, 8 and 12 weeks after the start of

   medication.  Analysis of the EEG results for the whole group revealed

   no significant advantage of G.B.E.  over the two reference substances

   with regard to vigilance.  However, a subclassification of the

   subjects showed that the vigilance of those persons with a more

   unfavourable initial situation measured in the resting EEG could be

   clearly improved by chronic G.B.E.  medication.  This increase in

   vigilance was reflected at the behavioral level by an improvement of

   reaction times in the G.B.E.  group by comparison with the reference

   substances.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS).  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Schaffler-K.  Reeh-P-W.

TI [Double blind study of the hypoxia protective effect of a

   standardized *Ginkgo* biloba preparation after repeated administration

   in healthy subjects].

TT Doppelblindstudie zur hypoxieprotektiven Wirkung eines

   standardisierten *Ginkgo-Biloba-Praparates* nach Mehrfachverabreichung

   an gesunden Probanden.

SO Arzneimittelforschung.  1985.  35(8).  P 1283-6.

JT ARZNEIMITTEL-FORSCHUNG.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG German (GE).

AB A randomised, *placebo-controlled,* double-blind, crossover study was

   run in 8 healthy, male subjects (mean age 27.3 +/- 2.6 years, mean BW

   75.3 +/- 9.7 kg) to demonstrate a possible hypoxia-protective effect

   of standardized *Ginkgo* flavone glycosides after subchronic

   administration.  After a 14-days' treatment with *Ginkgo* bilobae

   extract (Tebonin) performance of subjects was studied--concerning

   assessments of oculomotor and complex choice reaction system as well

   as simple cardiorespiratory parameters under multiple exposure to

   hypoxic hypoxia (10.5% oxygen, 89.5% nitrogen)--using oculodynamic

   methodology (ODT).  Hypoxia increased the corneoretinal

   resting-potential of the eye and stimulated respiration.  Both

   parameters were significantly reduced by verum administration.  Under

   cumulative exposure to hypoxic hypoxia fixation time of saccadic eye

   movements and complex choice reaction time were significantly

   improved by *Ginkgo* flavone glycosides vs *placebo.*  These results

   could be explained as a hypoxia-protective phenomenon--supporting the

   therapy of cerebral insufficiency.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Bauer-U.

TI 6-Month double-blind randomised clinical trial of *Ginkgo* biloba

   extract versus *placebo* in two parallel groups in patients suffering

   from peripheral arterial insufficiency.

SO Arzneimittelforschung.  1984.  34(6).  P 716-20.

JT ARZNEIMITTEL-FORSCHUNG.

PT CLINICAL-TRIAL (CTR).  JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG English (EN).

AB 79 patients suffering from peripheral arteriopathy (Fontaine's stage

   IIb) completed a 6-month double-blind randomised clinical trial of

   *Ginkgo* biloba extract (GBE) (as coated tablets containing 40 mg GBE;

   rokan) versus *placebo* in two parallel groups.  From the results of

   measurements of pain-free walking distance, maximum walking distance

   and plethysmography recordings, GBE was shown to be active and

   significantly superior to *placebo.*  These results correlated with the

   physician's and patients' overall assessment of response to

   treatment.  Author-abstract.

 

 

AU Subhan-Z.  Hindmarch-I.

IN Department of Psychology, University of Leeds, England.

TI The psychopharmacological effects of *Ginkgo* biloba extract in normal

   healthy volunteers.

SO Int-J-Clin-Pharmacol-Res.  1984.  4(2).  P 89-93.

JT INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY RESEARCH.

PT JOURNAL-ARTICLE (ART).

LG English (EN).

AB Eight healthy female volunteers received *Ginkgo* biloba extract

   (G.B.E.) 120, 240, 600 mg and *placebo* according to a randomized,

   double-blind crossover design.  One hour following treatment,

   subjects completed a battery of psychological tests including

   critical flicker fusion (CFF), choice reaction time (CRT), subjective

   ratings of drug effects (LARS) and a Sternberg memory scanning test.

   No statistically significant changes from *placebo* were observed on

   CFF, CRT or subjective ratings of drug effects.  However, memory as

   assessed using the Sternberg technique was found to be significantly

   improved following treatment with G.B.E.  600 mg when compared to

   *placebo* and results suggested a localized effect of the drug on the

   serial comparison stage of the reaction process.  Author-abstract.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba

From: presser@netaxs.com (Presser staff)

Date: 5 May 1995 20:53:57 GMT



In article <3o6ok4$11da@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>, DNHA55C@prodigy.com (M emmett Krumpak) says:

>

>Does anyone have any information (good/bad) on Ginkgo Biloba?  Thanks!



It is a very common herbal for decreasing tinnitus (ringing in the ear)

and is not dangerous in moderate doses (60-120mg/day).  It is a 

vasodilator, meaning it dilates your vessels allowing blood to flow better.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:30:09 PST



In message ID <9505041902591.DLITE.drweed@delphi.com> on 5/4/95, Duane Wee

<drweed@delphi.com> wrote:



: >Does anyone have any information (good/bad) on Ginkgo Biloba?  Thanks!

: > 

:    My impression of Ginkgo Biloba is very favorable. I have read

: that it is the most often used herbal food in France and Germany. I

: think that says a lot about its safety. Ginkgo is an aid to

: circulation. I have personally known elderly people who have used it

: for failing mental faculties (e.g. poor memory) with good results. 

: 

:   Dr. Duane Weed, DC



_Gingko biloba_ makes many people ANXIOUS. It is an imbalancing herbal, and

should not be generally taken without need.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:30:34 PST



In message ID <3obq07$s4@news.primenet.com> on 5/4/95, Camilla Cracchiolo

<camilla@primenet.com> wrote:



: My main source of information on Gingko is _The Honest Herbal_ by

: Varro Tyler, Ph.D.  Many 'quack-busters' regard Tyler's work very

: highly. Tyler is a tenured professor of pharmacognosy (the branch of

: pharmacy that deals with herbal medicine) in the school of pharmacy

: at Purdue University.  Steven Barrett mentions in his book _The

: Vitamin Pushers_ that Tyler is also the former dean of Purdue's

: school of pharmacy.  _The Honest Herbal_ is the one herb book that I

: have ever found that relies solely on scientific studies instead of

: anecdotes *and* which provides references. 



Which is why Tyler uses newspapers, trade papers, and rumors as references.

'Many quack-busters'--well, that is a prestigious group of ambulance chasers!

They have certainly spent a lot of time (not) studying the vastness of

traditional healing, and have no agenda that would interfere with their

judgement. Moral of the story is that if you wish to be healed by the Amazing

Randi, then you had better check to see if cynicism and hyper-rationality indeed

possesses a healing force, and are not simply the condescending offal of

poorly-integrated individuals.



Any one of Michael Moore's books blows the doors off all of Tyler's lame

ramblings.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:06:00 EST



>: >Does anyone have any information (good/bad) on Ginkgo Biloba?  Thanks!

>: >

>:    My impression of Ginkgo Biloba is very favorable. I have read

>: that it is the most often used herbal food in France and Germany. I

>: think that says a lot about its safety. Ginkgo is an aid to

>: circulation. I have personally known elderly people who have used it

>: for failing mental faculties (e.g. poor memory) with good results.

>:

>:   Dr. Duane Weed, DC



Health Media Publications just released a report on Ginkgo Biloba.  Dr. Weed

is correct about it's usage in Europe.  The extract makes up 1% of total

prescription sales in Germany, and 1.5 % in France.



Chinese materia medica records the use of this plant to help "brain

deficiencies" dating to 2800 B.C.  Numerous studies have been done on the

plant (in more recent years!) which suggest that the plant may be valuable

in treating the early stages of Alzheimer's.  Many investigators claim that

this plant can increase short-term memory by increasing the speed at which

nerve signals are transmitted and to improve brain wave tracings.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:18:00 EST



>: My main source of information on Gingko is _The Honest Herbal_ by

>: Varro Tyler, Ph.D.  Many 'quack-busters' regard Tyler's work very

>: highly. Tyler is a tenured professor of pharmacognosy (the branch of

>: pharmacy that deals with herbal medicine) in the school of pharmacy

>: at Purdue University.  Steven Barrett mentions in his book _The

>: Vitamin Pushers_ that Tyler is also the former dean of Purdue's

>: school of pharmacy.  _The Honest Herbal_ is the one herb book that I

>: have ever found that relies solely on scientific studies instead of

>: anecdotes *and* which provides references.

>

>Which is why Tyler uses newspapers, trade papers, and rumors as references.

>'Many quack-busters'--well, that is a prestigious group of ambulance chasers

>They have certainly spent a lot of time (not) studying the vastness of

>traditional healing, and have no agenda that would interfere with their

>judgement. Moral of the story is that if you wish to be healed by the Amazin

>Randi, then you had better check to see if cynicism and hyper-rationality in

>d

>possesses a healing force, and are not simply the condescending offal of

>poorly-integrated individuals.



I would have to agree with you about Tyler.  I've been referencing the book

recently to prepare for some material that I'm writing.  While I can

appreciate an approach of ingnoring folklore and presenting clinical

evidence, I think the author has successfully ignored both!  The book is

organized with short (and I mean short...1-2 pages) sections devoted to each

herb.  At the end of nearly every section the author interjects something to

negate any pharmoclogical findings.  For instance, the section on

ginsengs...we've all heard, read, experienced. learned from eastern medicine

of the benefits of ginseng(s).  However, Tyler concludes this section with

[..."it is necessary to agree with Lewis' conclusion regarding this

interesting herb.  "unfortunately, ginseng remains a medical enigma with no

proven efficacy for humans."]  Now, I find that quite disappointing!



Do we have to see the light come on to know that it does when we close the

refrigerator door?  I'm not saying the book hasn't any value to it - not at

all.  And, the good Dr. is certainly entitled to his professional analysis.

I just find myself taking what information I can glean from it and turning

to other sources.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 16 May 1995 04:55:28 GMT



karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net wrote:



: I would have to agree with you about Tyler.  I've been referencing the book

: recently to prepare for some material that I'm writing.  While I can

: appreciate an approach of ingnoring folklore and presenting clinical

: evidence, I think the author has successfully ignored both!  The book is

: organized with short (and I mean short...1-2 pages) sections devoted to each

: herb.  At the end of nearly every section the author interjects something to

: negate any pharmoclogical findings.  For instance, the section on

: ginsengs...we've all heard, read, experienced. learned from eastern medicine

: of the benefits of ginseng(s).  However, Tyler concludes this section with

: [..."it is necessary to agree with Lewis' conclusion regarding this

: interesting herb.  "unfortunately, ginseng remains a medical enigma with no

: proven efficacy for humans."]  Now, I find that quite disappointing!



Actually, he states that most of the herbs in his book have pharmacologic 

activity.  He gives glowing reviews to silymarin, gingko biloba, valerian,

ginger (which he relates is even more effective than dramamine in the 

control of nausea), aloe, and peppermint among many others.  When there 

is no evidence that the folklore about an herb is true, or if there are 

dangers or the evidence is ambiguous, he says so.





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 20 May 95 13:24:32 PST



In message ID <3p9b80$spa@news4.primenet.com> on 5/15/95, Camilla Cracchiolo

<camilla@primenet.com> wrote:



: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net wrote:

: 

: : I would have to agree with you about Tyler.  I've been referencing

: the book : recently to prepare for some material that I'm writing. 

: While I can : appreciate an approach of ingnoring folklore and

: presenting clinical : evidence, I think the author has successfully

: ignored both!  The book is : organized with short (and I mean

: short...1-2 pages) sections devoted to each : herb.  At the end of

: nearly every section the author interjects something to : negate any

: pharmoclogical findings.  For instance, the section on :

: ginsengs...we've all heard, read, experienced. learned from eastern

: medicine : of the benefits of ginseng(s).  However, Tyler concludes

: this section with : [..."it is necessary to agree with Lewis'

: conclusion regarding this : interesting herb.  "unfortunately,

: ginseng remains a medical enigma with no : proven efficacy for

: humans."]  Now, I find that quite disappointing!

: 

: Actually, he states that most of the herbs in his book have

: pharmacologic  activity.  He gives glowing reviews to silymarin,

: gingko biloba, valerian, ginger (which he relates is even more

: effective than dramamine in the  control of nausea), aloe, and

: peppermint among many others.  When there  is no evidence that the

: folklore about an herb is true, or if there are  dangers or the

: evidence is ambiguous, he says so.

: 

: 

: -----------------------------------------------------------------------

:            Camilla Cracchiolo



Wouldn't that be nice? The efficacy of ginseng is amply evidenced, Camilla. If

Tyler indeed tries to poo-poo those effects because he feels the need to run

against the tide of the alternative health world, that is his problem. Feed

those ginsenosides to mice and watch them swim! It's not exactly a secret, or a

folktale--more an effect that as yet evades a simplistic mechanism that

boneheads like Tyler can understand.





--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to increase fertility

From: mjrada@aol.com (MJRADA)

Date: 4 May 1995 20:55:09 -0400



Could anyone out there please send me your suggestions.. I am looking for 

herbal recipes for both male and female fertility. I am not a big fan on

going

through all the medical tests and would like to try this alternative

first.



In addition, I am looking for a good distributor (preferrably in the

Chicago

area) for this herb.



Please e-mail your response to: mjrada@aol.com



Any help would be greatly appreciated.



M. Rada

E-Mail: MJRADA@AOL.COM





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to increase fertility

From: rmh@world.std.com (Ralph Hebb and Andrea Bird)

Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 16:44:47 GMT



In article <3obt1d$gip@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mjrada@aol.com (MJRADA) wrote:

>Could anyone out there please send me your suggestions.. I am looking for 

>herbal recipes for both male and female fertility. I am not a big fan on

>going

>through all the medical tests and would like to try this alternative

>first.

>

>In addition, I am looking for a good distributor (preferrably in the

>Chicago area) for this herb.

>

>Please e-mail your response to: mjrada@aol.com

>

>Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>

>M. Rada

>E-Mail: MJRADA@AOL.COM



If anyone has any information in this area, could they post it to the net as 

well?



Also, I've read here about Raspberry tea helping with PMS, and also to cement 

a pregnancy. My understanding from the postings I've seen is that it operates 

by cleansing the walls of the uterus?



Does anyone have any information on whether this would be a good thing to 

drink in the very early stages of pregnancy?



Thanks for any help you can give.



-Andrea



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to increase fertility

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 7 May 1995 02:40:21 GMT



rmh@world.std.com (Ralph Hebb and Andrea Bird) wrote:

>

> In article <3obt1d$gip@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mjrada@aol.com (MJRADA) wrote:

> >Could anyone out there please send me your suggestions.. I am looking for 

> >herbal recipes for both male and female fertility. I am not a big fan on

> >going

> >through all the medical tests and would like to try this alternative

> >first.

> >

> >In addition, I am looking for a good distributor (preferrably in the

> >Chicago area) for this herb.

> >

> >Please e-mail your response to: mjrada@aol.com

> >

> >Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> >M. Rada

> >E-Mail: MJRADA@AOL.COM

> 

> If anyone has any information in this area, could they post it to the net as 

> well?

> 

> Also, I've read here about Raspberry tea helping with PMS, and also to cement 

> a pregnancy. My understanding from the postings I've seen is that it operates 

> by cleansing the walls of the uterus?

> 

> Does anyone have any information on whether this would be a good thing to 

> drink in the very early stages of pregnancy?

> 

> Thanks for any help you can give.

> 

> -Andrea

> 

> ============================================================

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> ============================================================

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to increase fertility

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 8 May 1995 02:05:19 GMT



>In article <3obt1d$gip@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mjrada@aol.com (MJRADA)

wrote:

>>Could anyone out there please send me your suggestions.. I am looking for

 

>>herbal recipes for both male and female fertility. I am not a big fan on

>>going

>>through all the medical tests and would like to try this alternative

>>first.

>>

>>In addition, I am looking for a good distributor (preferrably in the

>>Chicago area) for this herb.

>>

>>Please e-mail your response to: mjrada@aol.com

>>

>>Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>>

>>M. Rada

>>E-Mail: MJRADA@AOL.COM

> 

>If anyone has any information in this area, could they post it to the net

as  

>well?

> 

>Also, I've read here about Raspberry tea helping with PMS, and also to

cement  

>a pregnancy. My understanding from the postings I've seen is that it

operates  

>by cleansing the walls of the uterus?

> 

>Does anyone have any information on whether this would be a good thing to  

>drink in the very early stages of pregnancy?

> 

>Thanks for any help you can give.

> 

>-Andrea

> 

>============================================================

>|  Ralph Hebb and Andrea Bird  |     rmh@world.std.com     |

>============================================================

> 

  Red raspberry is excellent during the ENTIRE pregnancy. In the early

stages it even helps with morning sickness.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to increase fertility

From: ehrenspe@alexia (David Ehrensperger)

Date: 5 May 1995 17:36:14 GMT



There are a goodly number of them mention in a book called "Today's 

Herbal Health" (I have the 3rd ed.).



A listing of possiblities:



For men--Ginseng (any kind will help), Sarsparilla (has testosterone in it), 

Saw Palmetto, Chickweed, Gotu Kola, Echinacea, Damiana.  Yohimbe is supposedly 

used to increase fertility as well.



For women--Dong Quai, Damiana, perhaps Black Cohosh, ???



Check out various herbals first.  I recommend the one I mentioned 

above--I use it almost daily.



Hope this helps.



Dave



--

ehrenspe@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 

Graduate Student, Library and Information Science

Staff Member, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to increase fertility

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 6 May 1995 16:31:20 -0400



>looking for herbs to increase fertility



Oddly enough, Jeanne Rose just published a book on this topic (deals with

herbs & aromatherapy approaches for both men and women).  She's been

advertising it through most of the herbal magazines & we started carrying

it in the store after one of the herbalists that we work with recommended

it.  Check out your local bookstore.  If you can't find it, e-mail me &

I'll send more information.



Rosemary, Healing Pages, Seattle, WA





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to increase fertility

From: jnichola@vt.edu (j nicholas)

Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 23:59:25 -0600



I >looking for herbs to increase fertility

> 

Not exactly an herb, but bee pollen may help.  I was taking it for energy

when me and my husband got pregnant.  After 2 yrs of little contraception

and no baby, I'm convinced it was the bee pollen.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: The world's first SOAPMAKING newsletter

From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP)

Date: 4 May 1995 22:13:18 -0400



"Soapmaking Today"

 the world's first newsletter for soapmakers

 is available for $14.95, four issues per year

 (sample copy $5.00) from

Robert Jones

P O Bx 6751

Lee's Summit MO 64064

If you feel qualified to write an article, why not submit it for

publication? Bob said he would be glad to receive contributions. Mail

articles to the same address. No payment at this time (he's just getting

started) but he offers the "glory" of your name in print. If you're a

business owner, you can offer him an article in exchange for a business

plug.



Bob also is having soap molds maufactured which he will soon offer for

sale. He's also working with a man who is developing

--Taah Daah!--Soap Slicers! They're in the production stage and he said

he'd notify us as soon as they're available.



Lots of good things happening in the soapmaking world!

Elaine





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Software

From: mccraigh@aol.com (McCraigh)

Date: 4 May 1995 23:44:30 -0400



Question: Has anybody heard of any Chinese Herbal Medicine programs for

PC's? I heard there are some but forgot who and where. Thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Software

From: wilson@cais2.cais.com (Mark Wilson)

Date: 6 May 1995 17:23:54 GMT



McCraigh (mccraigh@aol.com) wrote:

: Question: Has anybody heard of any Chinese Herbal Medicine programs for

: PC's? I heard there are some but forgot who and where. Thanks



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Software

From: jgarcia@peach.epix.net (Jose Garcia)

Date: 9 May 1995 00:55:16 GMT



>   mccraigh@aol.com (McCraigh) writes:

>  Question: Has anybody heard of any Chinese Herbal Medicine programs for

>  PC's? I heard there are some but forgot who and where. Thanks

>  

>>>>



I recently purchased "Traditional Chinese Medicine & Pharmacology" CD-ROM

from:

      Hopkins Technology

      421 Hazel Lane

      Hopkins MN 55343-7116

      (612)931-9376



Price was $29.95, haven't had time to really evaluate it so I can't verify

as to the quality of information on it. The insert reads "Complete with

illustrations, photography, full text search functionality".



Jose

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: pixel@metronet.com (Steve Standeford)

Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 22:06:45 -0600



I recently read an article that mentioned in Germany children with

hyperactivity problems have been given a drug made from Valerian called

Valmane that seemed to have good results.



I am wondering if a small dose of Valerian tincture would be to strong for

a 3-4 year old child in one of those hyperactive episodes? And if anyone

has used Valerian with children safely?



thanks,

ss



-- 

Steve Standeford

Electronic Artist

pixel@metronet.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 6 May 1995 04:08:54 GMT



>I recently read an article that mentioned in Germany children with

>hyperactivity problems have been given a drug made from Valerian called

>Valmane that seemed to have good results.

> 

>I am wondering if a small dose of Valerian tincture would be to strong for

>a 3-4 year old child in one of those hyperactive episodes? And if anyone

>has used Valerian with children safely?

> 

>thanks,

>ss

>--  

>Steve Standeford

>Electronic Artist

>pixel@metronet.com

> 

   I haven't used valerian with children. However, in general, for children

you divide the adult dose in proportion to the child's weight. In other

words, if the child weighs 1/4 the average adult weight (120-150 lbs.), you

divide the adult dose by four. 



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: John Edwards <bopper@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au>

Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 19:07:55 +1000



Have you tried Lavender Essential Oil to calm your child? Works wonders!! 

Also many foods have stimulating components in them- ie red colorants 

that hyper children. Valerian is more commonly used for children with 

ADD- but if nothing elso works and you are pulling your hair out...



Life's what happens while your making other plans!              



Bopper





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: scjoseph@aol.com (SCJOSEPH)

Date: 9 May 1995 13:37:46 -0400



Greetings --



The best of luck to you trying to get a kid to take valerian -- the smell

alone half kills me!  :-)



Peace,



SCJ

Sister Carol Joseph

SCJoseph@aol.com



Emancipate yourself from mental slavery -- none but ourselves can free our

minds.  ---Bob Marley.  In Jah Love.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: ez049104@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Max Taylor)

Date: 11 May 1995 02:18:41 GMT



Weirdly enough, try coffee.  My dad, a psychologist

who worked with children during his career, has said

coffee can actually calm hyperactive children.



[This is hearsay & anecdotal, as I personally have 

never given it to hyperactive children.  However, I

was allowed coffee from about the age of ten, apparently 

without adverse effect.]



Max





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: lholder@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Lori M. Holder-Webb)

Date: 12 May 1995 14:50:54 GMT



In article <3ors61$m1j@mark.ucdavis.edu> ez049104@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Max Taylor) writes:

>Weirdly enough, try coffee.  My dad, a psychologist

>who worked with children during his career, has said

>coffee can actually calm hyperactive children.



My brother (a poster-child for ADHD if there ever was one) swears by 

caffeine as a palliative. He was diagnosed at about age 7, and took 

Ritalin until puberty, then switched to several cups of strong coffee a 

day. He felt that the coffee was more effective at controlling his 

symptoms and didn't give him the nasty kind of hangover he got from Ritalin.

LHW





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: ()

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 15:11:22 GMT



ez049104@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Max Taylor) wrote:



>Weirdly enough, try coffee.  My dad, a psychologist

>who worked with children during his career, has said

>coffee can actually calm hyperactive children.



>[This is hearsay & anecdotal, as I personally have 

>never given it to hyperactive children.  However, I

>was allowed coffee from about the age of ten, apparently 

>without adverse effect.]



>Max



well as someone with ADD, I know that the generally proscribe Ritalin

( a stimulant) to hyperactive and ADD people. People who are

hyperactive or ADD process stumulants differently. High protien, low

carbohydrate diets are also very beneficial. I know, I 've been

following one for the last month and feel MUCH better.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: amaclir@unibase.unibase.com (Aine Maclir)

Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 10:57:55 GMT





>well as someone with ADD, I know that the generally proscribe Ritalin

>( a stimulant) to hyperactive and ADD people. People who are

>hyperactive or ADD process stumulants differently. High protien, low

>carbohydrate diets are also very beneficial. I know, I 've been

>following one for the last month and feel MUCH better.



Actually, despite popular belief, dietary changes have only limited

benefits in treating ADD.  You will probably find that eventually,

that it no longer works as well as it does now.  And it's not that we

process stimulants differently. 



 ADD is a neurological disorder and that has been proven by medical

research.  The frontal areas of the brain that are responsible for

impulse control and concentration don't function adequately.  We

simply lack the ability to process certain chemicals properly that

stimulate these parts of the brain.  



What Ritalin and other stimulant drugs do is stimulate those parts of

the brain so that they process these chemicals and function better.

That's why stimulants appear to calm us down...they stimulate the

parts of the brain that help us to control our motor activities and

help us to concentrate.  We are then able to control impulse, delay

gratification, and control our thought patterns.  Most of the time our

thoughts are racing through our heads so fast, we can't focus on any

one thing at a time, unless we are hyperfocusing (an unusual component

of ADD...when we find something that interests us and holds our

attention longer than most things, no one can distract us from

it...ie.:  someone can say something to me while I'm on the computer

and I will actually verbally respond, but later I won't recall any of

it...this drives my family and friends crazy).



I also seriously question the use of caffiene for ADD.  While it is a

readily available drug without a prescription, it is still a drug and

like all drugs, it has side effects.  The most obvious is extreme

physical addiction and the withdrawal from it can be very

painful...severe migraine headaches.  It can also cause hypertension

after prolonged use.  I have heard of one college student who has used

a high intake of caffiene to deal with his ADD, but can no longer take

it because of high blood pressure.  So it's probably not a good idea

to use high amounts of caffiene as a long-term treatment for ADD.

While many people are opposed to the use of Ritalin, it is at least

closely monitored by the prescribing physician (in most cases) until a

proper dosage is established, and regularly thereafter.



The other thing that concerns me is that the original query was

involving a 3 or 4-yr-old child.  There was no mention of a doctor

finding this child to be clinically hyperactive.  My oldest child

appeared to be hyperactive to me at the same age.  This child had 2

speeds...sound asleep and fast forward!  There was nothing in between!

To add to the sheer exaustion of living with her during this time, I

was pregnant with my second daughter.  But our doctor explained to me

that this was normal for that age because the centers of the brain

involved in motor control, impulse control, attention span and

concentration have not matured enough yet to slow them down or for

them to focus on anything long enough to sit still.  This child is now

12 and has always been a straight A+ student and has made the top

level of the honor roll (which she has been eligible for since grade

4) 2 years in a row and is performing at that level again this year.

This is while maintaining an active social life and extra-curricular

activities.  She has never displayed any sign of having ADD and grew

out of her "hyperactive" behaviour within a year of its beginning.  



ADD with hyperactivity (or ADHD, as it's commonly referred to now) is

indicated primarily by hyperactivity that is inappropriate for the age

of the child.  Usually, this cannot be determined until age 5 or when

the child begins kindergarten.  Motor control and attention problems

will likely be observed by the child's teacher and monitored

throughout kindergarten.  If there is no noticible improvement by the

end of that year, it's time to consult a doctor or psychologist about

assessing the child for ADD or ADHD.  It also has to be understood

that ADD and ADHD do not have hyperactivity present in the same degree

in everyone that has these disorders (sometimes not at all, but it is

usually more common and of a greater degree with boys) and it's not

the only characteristic of the disorder.  You also have to consider

things like attention span, high-risk behaviours (not understanding

the dangers of certain actions, like playing with matches or the

wrongness of things like stealing) and the ability to delay

gratification (put off things that are enjoyable), which are all

naturally lacking at age 3-4 years and simply the result of

physiological immaturity. Some children can be unbelievably active at

that age, so it's not the time to be concerned about ADD.



I have serious reservations about giving a 10-yr-old coffee (I don't

think you could get it into them without loads of sugar, in which

case, why bother...it will likely do more harm than good anyway),

which will induce a caffiene addiction stronger than the addiction

most smokers have to nicotine.  Should the child need to cease

caffiene intake due to hypertension in early adult life, the

withdrawal would be agonizing and there would be little in the way of

alternatives available when they are needed most (the college and

early career years)...no responsible doctor would prescribe Ritalin or

other stimulants to a patient with hypertension.



I think it is irresponsible to recommend the same treatment for a

child of 3-4 years, especially if it has not been determined by a

professional that ADD is present.  There is a huge difference between

a 4-yr-old child and a 10-yr-old that goes far beyond physical size.

The differences in physical, chemical and mental development are

worlds apart.  To simply say that it had no adverse affects from

drinking it starting at age 10 is no reason for this parent to try it

and I would strongly advise against it.



I also have very strong reservations about administering valerian to a

child of this age for hyperactivity whether diagnosed by a qualified

professional or not.  Valerian is a very strong sedative and can

produce symptoms of poisoning in large doses or with extended use,

according to The Herb Book by John Lust (the dosage given is most

likely an adult dose).  It should only be taken twice a day and for no

longer than 2 to 3 weeks at a time.  Clinical hyperactivity such as is

involved in ADHD is a chronic condition and requires long-term

treatment.  And while valerian may decrease gross motor activity, it

will not likely help with concentration or coordination of fine motor

skills (drawing & printing), and may actually hinder them.  So

valerian is probably not appropriate for hyperactivity resulting from

ADHD.



I would recommend instead that the parent making the original query

consult a physician, the ADD support newsgroup, CH.A.D.D., and the

local library and learn more about ADD and hyperactivity in general

and whether or not they need be concerned at this point.  There are

also some behavioural modification techniques involved in treating ADD

that may be beneficial in dealing with smaller children, whether or

not they prove to have an attention-deficit disorder.



I'm not knocking natural remedies and I use them whenever possible,

but I do not believe in shunning modern medicine either.  It has its

place, despite some of its shortcomings.  I try to find a balance

between the two in caring for my children and myself.  I don't believe

that any herb, especially the more potent sedative ones, should be

administered indiscriminately to young children.  And I can't think of

any reason, except in extremely rare cases, to administer a sedative

to a child.  



While people might be inclined to say that caffiene is a natural

substance, so is the nicotine in tobacco, but we all know how

hazardous smoking is to our health.  Just as nature gives us

medicines, it also gives us poisons and it isn't always easy to

recognize the difference, as many herbs have the potential to be both

depending upon the amounts used and the physiology of the person

taking them.



I have sought out many solutions for my ADD and so far, Ritalin has

been the only one that has helped me satisfactorily.  People may think

a lot of bad things about this drug, but when given the choice between

living the rest of my life like the first 31 years that were filled

with failure, depression and despair, I'd rather be on Ritalin.  It's

not a perfect solution, nor does it work for everyone with ADD, but

for me it's far better than having no solution at all.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: seaseal@aol.com (SEA SEAL)

Date: 19 May 1995 14:28:31 -0400



Another herbal remedy is Passion Flower. Make a tea of the leaves and

stems. This tea when served straight is not very tasty. I mix it with

peppermint, spearmint, and catmint leaves and that also works well to calm

the 8-year-old daughter of a friend. I have spent many years researching

ADD and hyperactivity (I was an elementary teacher with at least one kid

in every class taking Ritalin). After much observation and conversation, I

feel Ritalin is not the only way this issue should be approached.  

seaseal@aol.com or cmills@jafar.hartnell.cc.ca.us



The digital convergence is almost here. Get ready!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:30:58 PST



In message ID <pixel-0405952206450001@net56.metronet.com> on 5/4/95, Steve

Standeford <pixel@metronet.com> wrote:



: I recently read an article that mentioned in Germany children with

: hyperactiivity problems have been given a drug made from Valerian

: called Valmane that seemed to have good results.

: 

: I am wondering if a small dose of Valerian tincture would be to strong for

: a 3-4 year old child in one of those hyperactive episodes? And if anyone

: has used Valerian with children safely?

: 

: thanks,

: ss

: 

: -- 

: Steve Standeford



Valerian is a Heating herbal. Hyperactivity is overtly HOT in nature (Heat

drives activity). This kind of single herbal approach is risky for these

reasons. Try Peppermint, and feed less fruit and fruit juice.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 12:36:00 EST



>In message ID <pixel-0405952206450001@net56.metronet.com> on 5/4/95, Steve

>Standeford <pixel@metronet.com> wrote:

>

>: I recently read an article that mentioned in Germany children with

>: hyperactiivity problems have been given a drug made from Valerian

>: called Valmane that seemed to have good results.

>:

>: I am wondering if a small dose of Valerian tincture would be to strong for

>: a 3-4 year old child in one of those hyperactive episodes? And if anyone

>: has used Valerian with children safely?



Valerain is most widely used as a sleeping aid as it has for more than 1,000

years.  An important constituent of the herb is valeric acid, which research

has confirmed has a sedative effect.  It has also shown to balance the

central nervous system. The benefit of using the herb as opposed to a

precription drug is that the standardized extract (0.8%) is non-habit

forming and doesn't produce grogginess upon awakening.



Valerian has been used in Germany (God, we're so slow in this country!)

since the 1970's to treat children with learning disabilities, including

hyperactivity, ADD, etc. In one study, 125 children were given standardized

doses of valerain for a period of 2-3 weeks.  After that time all the

children showed significant improvement in attention span, mental

performance, etc.



There is also a drug in Canada which is causing quite a storm!  I believe

it's called Aderol (sp?) and I'm frankly not sure of it's botanical origin.

I do know that it's restricted in the country and many parents are smuggling

it in!  And please do yourself a favor...don't let anyone talk you into

Ritalin!



You could consult an N.D. and see what they suggest.  I have to warn you

though, you will probably be steered to elimination diets which will turn

your house upside down!  But, there is solid evidence that these children

benefit from diets free of additives and high in vitamins & minerals that

stimulate neurotransmitters.  There's an excellent institute in the south

that specializes in this kind of treatment.  If you want the address send me

email and I'll get it for you.



Here's another suggestion:  I have a 13 yr old with Attention Span Defecit

without hyperactivity and we've tried several routes.  Believe it or not,

these kids are helped a great deal by giving them stimulants!  I almost fell

over when the doctor said that...but it does work.  You might try giving her

small doses of Mountain Dew (high in cafffeine...I doubt she'll sip coffee)

and see what effect it has.  My son is currently taking a prescription

called Cylert without side effects and it has helped dramatically.  He had

been in special ed all through his school years, but after tackling the

issue (he's my stepson and has only been with me for 3 yrs) with diet and

proper medication, he's been mainstreamed and is now entering a standard 7th

grade classroom.  Good luck to you....you're both in for a struggle!



Also--your daughter is very young.  Please consult with a naturopath before

giving her valerian.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 14 May 1995 21:25:57 GMT



karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net wrote:

: Valerian has been used in Germany (God, we're so slow in this country!)

: since the 1970's to treat children with learning disabilities, including

: hyperactivity, ADD, etc. In one study, 125 children were given standardized

: doses of valerain for a period of 2-3 weeks.  After that time all the

: children showed significant improvement in attention span, mental

: performance, etc.



However, the problem with valerian is that it has been shown to be 

mutagenic (read here: potential carcinogen) by the standard test used to 

determine such things (the Ames test, which involves using a compound on 

salmonella bacteria and looking for a specific mutation.)



I personally take valerian on occasion.  But, I would never give it 

daily to a growing child because of this study.  Long term use has also 

been linked with causing depression.



: There is also a drug in Canada which is causing quite a storm!  I believe

: it's called Aderol (sp?) and I'm frankly not sure of it's botanical origin.

: I do know that it's restricted in the country and many parents are smuggling

: it in!  And please do yourself a favor...don't let anyone talk you into

: Ritalin!



As far as I can tell, having several folks with learning disabilities in 

my family, Ritalin is pretty safe and highly effective.  Cylert, 

mentioned by the previous poster is another option.



I suggest that you go over to alt.support.attn-deficit and 

alt.support.learning-disab and talk to people there.  While we're at it, 

here is my list of learning disability resources:





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperactive child?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 20 May 95 22:36:36 PST



In message ID <3pcocs$q30@udevdiv.Unibase.COM> on 5/17/95, Aine Maclir

<amaclir@unibase.unibase.com> wrote:



: ADD is a neurological disorder and that has been proven by medical

: research.  The frontal areas of the brain that are responsible for

: impulse control and concentration don't function adequately.  We

: simply lack the ability to process certain chemicals properly that

: stimulate these parts of the brain.  



ADD is indeed a disorder, but this 'proven' research hasn't specified a cause,

so it can hardly be called a diagnosis. When there are clouds in the sky, the

sun doesn't shine. Did it go out? Apparently. Noticing that the frontal brain is

disharmonized, and then prescribing amphetamines is about as crude as you can

get. The idea that Ritalin isn't a stimulant is ridiculous. The idea that it is

safer than caffeine further distorts the issue.



'Works' is not cure.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lophophora Williamsii

From: ca552@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (David E.J. Perez)

Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 04:12:19 GMT



        Hi, Im new here and I was just wondering if any of you users

resident in ottawa grow or have or know where to get Lophophora Williamsii.

It is a Hallucinogen that I am very interested in and would like to sample.

It is a species of cactus.  I know that it only grows in deserts and such

but I have posted none-the-less (couldn't hurt to try.).  Any info

concerning the location of one of these plants would be greatly appreciated.



--

David E.J. Perez      

Incarnate Cherub        





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lophophora Williamsii

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:31:48 PST



In message ID <D837oJ.7E4@freenet.carleton.ca> on 5/4/95, David E.J. Perez

<ca552@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:



: Hi, Im new here and I was just wondering if any of you users

: resident in ottawa grow or have or know where to get Lophophora

: Williamsii. It is a Hallucinogen that I am very interested in and

: would like to sample. It is a species of cactus.  I know that it

: only grows in deserts and such but I have posted none-the-less

: (couldn't hurt to try.).  Any info concerning the location of one of

: these plants would be greatly appreciated.

: 

: --

: David E.J. Perez 



You will not be able to grow peyote in Canada! There are other cactus species

that have the relevant chemistry which can be grown indoors. Why not frequent

the drugs conferences? They talk about this stuff all the time.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: FS Herbal Books

From: rdlong@wis.com (Bob Long)

Date: 5 May 1995 04:56:54 GMT



   If anyone is interested in 4000+ titles on Herbs, Esoterics UFO's, 

Occult etc.  drop a line to these guys they offer up to 25% off cover 

price and also Buy, and trade books. they have catalogs.



R & T Books

Box 61

Pickerel WI 54465



if you want a phone number let me know.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb distributors in the Chicago Area

From: deanm@deanm.mcs.com

Date: Thu, 04 May 95 23:51:00 PDT



In article <3ob65k$avd@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, <mjrada@aol.com> writes:

> Hi:

> Anyone know of a good low-cost herb distributor in the Chicago Area?

> 

> Thanks,

>    Mike

> 

> M. Rada

> E-Mail: MJRADA@AOL.COM

> 

Hi, Sherwins on Diversey at Broadway/Clark has a nice selection of fresh 

herbs.  Cub foods has a small, but healthy bulk selection of herbs...The is a 

Dr. (somethng) on Western avenue..I'll find out the name and repost.  Also, 

Mertz apothocary is a reallly nice European/German style apothacary on 

Lincoln in German Town..]

Deanm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb distributors in the Chicago Area

From: spw203@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Pat Welsh)

Date: 8 May 1995 19:46:20 GMT



In article <NEWTNews.3014.799656768.deanm@deanm.mcs.com>, deanm@deanm.mcs.com says:

>

>

>In article <3ob65k$avd@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, <mjrada@aol.com> writes:

>> Hi:

>> Anyone know of a good low-cost herb distributor in the Chicago Area?

>> 

>> Thanks,

>>    Mike

>> 

>> M. Rada

>> E-Mail: MJRADA@AOL.COM

>> 

>Hi, Sherwins on Diversey at Broadway/Clark has a nice selection of fresh 

>herbs.  Cub foods has a small, but healthy bulk selection of herbs...The is a 

>Dr. (somethng) on Western avenue..I'll find out the name and repost.  Also, 

>Mertz apothocary is a reallly nice European/German style apothacary on 

>Lincoln in German Town..]

>Deanm

>

Additionally, I go to Oak Street Market in Evanston (on Oak Street, opposite the

post office)...and, for Oriental herbs, to:



Trung Viet Grocery Store

4938 N. Sheridan Road (Argyle el-stop)

Chicago

(312) 561-0042





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info on Coenzyme Q10 (Softgels)

From: Co-Q@ix.netcom.com (Jarvell Jardey)

Date: 5 May 1995 06:56:02 GMT



I currently take coenzyme q10 in a powdered capsule form, someone 

has told me that coenzyme q10 should be taken in a oil base (softgel)

form for better absorbtion. Is this true and where can obtain such a

product (coenzyme q10/softgels). My local health foods do not carry it 

but have heard of it...



Can anyone help???

Thanks

Jardey





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HIV maintenance

From: mmcclen@Direct.CA (Mark M.)

Date: 5 May 1995 06:58:19 GMT



I understand that Ecinacea is not recommended for those dealing with

impaired immune systems due to HIV.  



Does anyone have advice on general herbal supplements that one should

consider for trying to improve the immune system and purify the blood?



Yours,

Mark





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HIV maintenance

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 5 May 1995 11:03:00 GMT



On Fri. May  5, 1995, mmcclen@direct.Ca told All:

 

 mC> I understand that Ecinacea is not recommended for those dealing with

   > impaired immune systems due to HIV.

 

 mC> Does anyone have advice on general herbal supplements that one should

   > consider for trying to improve the immune system and purify the

   > blood?

 

Taheebo (Pau D'arco) bark -- Tabeuia impetiginosa; this is primarily a

system oxygenator. It is the herbal equivalent to oxygenation therapy,

though more costly. The extracts lapachol and xylidione are becoming

popular in pharmaceutical investigations.

 

Ashwagandha -- Withania somnifera; Indian version of ginseng. A bit

cheaper, and tastes like licorice.

 

Chuchuhuasa; Amazonian bark with exactly those actions you specify. Its

most popular use is as an aphrodisiac. Undergoing clinical trials in

Italy.

 

Una De Gato (Cat's Claw) -- Uncaria guianensis; Being used in clinics in

the Amazon region for AIDS treatment. People are traveling there to use

it. It is being exported by the ton(ne) to Europe.

 

Reishi mushroom (Ling Chi) -- Ganoderma lucidium; An oriental Superior

Medicine. Assists healing processes. Clinical studies show it effective

therapy for many major disease states.

 

Goldenseal root is claimed to be a cleanser. The one things it's sold the

most for -- cleaning THC out of the system -- it does not do. Can't say

for its general properties.

 

Also mentioned but not expanded on; schizandra berries,

muira puama root.

 

My personal suggestion is to study oxygen therapy. Look up the WWW site

amadis@blade.com.

 

 * 2qwk! 1.26b3 * You only live once, but hey, who's counting?



--

dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs needed for Skin disorder

From: overfiend@vianet.net.au (David R Jones)

Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 10:01:44



Hi :)

Hope you can help me out. I need some advice ona skin disorder.. Where the 

skin becomes very flaky, very, dry. Any herbs that will do away with this?

Thanx...

OverFiend





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs needed for Skin disorder

From: tkeenan@uoguelph.ca (Timothy J Keenan)

Date: 5 May 1995 15:12:38 GMT



David R Jones (overfiend@vianet.net.au) wrote:

: Hi :)

: Hope you can help me out. I need some advice ona skin disorder.. Where the 

: skin becomes very flaky, very, dry. Any herbs that will do away with this?

: Thanx...

: OverFiend



Anyone who would advise you on the basis of description of your symptoms 

over usenet is likely as flaky as your skin.  Get at least two opinions-- 

One from a M.D. and one from a naturopath.  Likely the M.D. will tell you 

to put hydrocortisone on it and forget it. It _will_ go away (probably) 

but you won't fix the problem.  

(Or s/he may identify some pathogen or disease that can be dealt with.



The naturopath (if s/he is a good one) 

will take a detailed history and ask you all kinds of questions about 

your family history, whether you are a "hot" or "cold" person, what foods 

you love, what foods you hate... all kinds of stuff... and will probably 

come up with some recommendations on amending your diet, maybe a 

homeopathic remedy, which may or may not be herbal...and may or may not 

work.  I have had good luck with my daughter's skin problems this way.  

Many people have environmental/food sensitivities which are not 

"allergies" according to standard immunological paradigms, and so are 

largely ignored by [most] conventionally-trained MD's.



-- Tim Keenan



Cliff Ecology Research Group

Botany Department

University of Guelph

Guelph, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs needed for Skin disorder

From: murph@bnr.ca (Joan Balser)

Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 11:28:43 -0400



In article <overfiend.1.000A07B2@vianet.net.au>, overfiend@vianet.net.au

(David R Jones) wrote:



> Hi :)

> Hope you can help me out. I need some advice ona skin disorder.. Where the 

> skin becomes very flaky, very, dry. Any herbs that will do away with this?

> Thanx...

> OverFiend



My nephrew had the same problem with his skin.  My sister gave him 2

tablespoons of safflower oil a day. (note:  that is a COLD-PRESS oil which

you can buy at the health food store)  That seem to clear up his problem

(it took about 2 months altogether).  This advise was read from an old book

called "Let's Get Well" by Adelle Davis.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: Plant "teachings"

From: watrsprite@aol.com (WatrSprite)

Date: 5 May 1995 03:48:50 -0400



With all due respect for your beliefs, IMO and that of my spiritual

advisors, there is no spiritual teacher that is not human.  Humans are the

highest-advanced spiritual beings in this physical plane.  Everything else

is spiritually un-advanced, at least not as advanced as we are, anyway. 

You may use a focusing agent (such as a plant) to aid in concentration,

but all the truths you find will be found by yourself, not by having a

plant lead you to the discovery.



"All roads lead to Rome" so it doesn't matter where you're from or how you

get there, as long as you arrive.



May the Blessings be...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Plant "teachings"

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:31:24 PST



In message ID <3ocl92$nl8@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 5/5/95, WatrSprite

<watrsprite@aol.com> wrote:



: With all due respect for your beliefs, IMO and that of my spiritual

: advisors, there is no spiritual teacher that is not human.  Humans

: are the highest-advanced spiritual beings in this physical plane. 

: Everything else is spiritually un-advanced, at least not as advanced

: as we are, anyway.  You may use a focusing agent (such as a plant)

: to aid in concentration, but all the truths you find will be found

: by yourself, not by having a plant lead you to the discovery.



I guess your advisors couldn't afford ginseng (Ren shen), then, a name

translated literally as "man's counsellor." Plenty of plants have plenty of

sophisticated counsel to give. Whether that is a Spirit in the plant or just a

natural mystery, it really doesn't matter.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Plant "teachings"

From: Maryanne.Bartlett@f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Maryanne Bartlett)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 12:32:00 -0800



 -=> Quoting WatrSprite to All <=-



 Wa> With all due respect for your beliefs, IMO and that of my spiritual

 Wa> advisors, there is no spiritual teacher that is not human.  Humans are

 Wa> the highest-advanced spiritual beings in this physical plane. 

 Wa> Everything else is spiritually un-advanced, at least not as advanced as

 Wa> we are, anyway.  You may use a focusing agent (such as a plant) to aid

 Wa> in concentration, but all the truths you find will be found by

 Wa> yourself, not by having a plant lead you to the discovery.



 Wa> "All roads lead to Rome" so it doesn't matter where you're from or how

 Wa> you get there, as long as you arrive.



 Wa> May the Blessings be...



       Is there no room then for "the smallest shall teach, the wisest

must learn, thus we grow together"? I was always taught that plants

provide the inspiration for us, opening the pathways to knowledge. What is

a teacher *but* an inspiration? I have learned more in my herb garden

than from all the books I have ever read!



--Anja--



 

... Wander down the ancient hallway, taking the stairs only one at a time. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Plant "teachings"

From: rhiannon@indy.net (rhiannon)

Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 17:44:55 GMT



Maryanne.Bartlett@f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Maryanne Bartlett) wrote:

***>>> -=> Quoting WatrSprite to All <=-

***>>> Wa> With all due respect for your beliefs, IMO and that of my spiritual

***>>> Wa> advisors, there is no spiritual teacher that is not human.  Humans are

***>>> Wa> the highest-advanced spiritual beings in this physical plane. 

***>>> Wa> Everything else is spiritually un-advanced, at least not as advanced as

***>>> Wa> we are, anyway.  You may use a focusing agent (such as a plant) to aid

***>>> Wa> in concentration, but all the truths you find will be found by

***>>> Wa> yourself, not by having a plant lead you to the discovery.

***>>> Wa> "All roads lead to Rome" so it doesn't matter where you're from or how

***>>> Wa> you get there, as long as you arrive.

***>>> Wa> May the Blessings be...



***>>>       Is there no room then for "the smallest shall teach, the wisest

***>>>must learn, thus we grow together"? I was always taught that plants

***>>>provide the inspiration for us, opening the pathways to knowledge. What is

***>>>a teacher *but* an inspiration? I have learned more in my herb garden

***>>>than from all the books I have ever read!

***>>>--Anja--



I was always brought up to beleive that yes, knowledge comes from

within, but its the brain observing other things and then applying

them  with logic at a later date. If you don't observe something, your

brain has nothing to work with, so knowledge can't come from within

without a little outside interaction.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Grinding herbs

From: walcar@ipswichcity.gov.qld.au (Wal or Paula)

Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 08:15:30 GMT



Does anyone know the easiest way to grind herbs without having to use a mortar 

and pestle which takes me forever.  



Paula





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grinding herbs

From: ehrenspe@alexia (David Ehrensperger)

Date: 5 May 1995 17:39:47 GMT



Wal or Paula (walcar@ipswichcity.gov.qld.au) wrote:

: Does anyone know the easiest way to grind herbs without having to use a mortar 

: and pestle which takes me forever.  



Well, I've used a hammer on hawthorne and, though effective, it tends to 

be messy and slow.  What herbs are you grinding?



Dave



--

ehrenspe@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu 

Graduate Student, Library and Information Science

Staff Member, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grinding herbs

From: walcar@ipswichcity.gov.qld.au (Wal or Paula)

Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 19:16:47 GMT



In article <3odnt3$o8k@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> ehrenspe@alexia (David Ehrensperger) writes:



>Wal or Paula (walcar@ipswichcity.gov.qld.au) wrote:

>: Does anyone know the easiest way to grind herbs without having to use a mortar

>: and pestle which takes me forever.  



>Well, I've used a hammer on hawthorne and, though effective, it tends to 

>be messy and slow.  What herbs are you grinding?



>Dave



>--

I'm grinding herbs and non-herbs  like lavender, dried roses,etc.  I'm 

making soaps and need them finely ground.  It takes forever whichever way I do 

it which is why I'm hoping someone out there will have a better way.



Paula





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grinding herbs

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sharon Rust)

Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 10:17:09 -0700





> I'm grinding herbs and non-herbs  like lavender, dried roses,etc.  I'm 

> making soaps and need them finely ground.  It takes forever whichever

way I do 

> it which is why I'm hoping someone out there will have a better way.

> 

> Paula



             For some of the herbs you can use a blender, for some you can

use a coffee grinder, there are professional grinders you can buy, The

Herb Pharm, use to sell some tools. Look in the herbal magizines there are

probably adds  for equiptment catalogs .           Sharon Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grinding herbs

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 13 May 1995 00:19:32 GMT



walcar@ipswichcity.gov.qld.au (Wal or Paula) wrote:

>

> In article <3odnt3$o8k@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> ehrenspe@alexia (David Ehrensperger) writes:

> >Xref: iccu6 alt.folklore.herbs:377

> >Path:

> >iccu6!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!msunews!uchinews!vixen.cso.u

> >iuc.edu!alexia!ehrenspe

> >From: ehrenspe@alexia (David Ehrensperger)

> >Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

> >Subject: Re: Grinding herbs

> >Date: 5 May 1995 17:39:47 GMT

> >Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana

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> >Message-ID: <3odnt3$o8k@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>

> >References: <walcar.89.00044250@ipswichcity.gov.qld.au>

> >NNTP-Posting-Host: alexia.lis.uiuc.edu

> >X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]

> 

> 

> >Wal or Paula (walcar@ipswichcity.gov.qld.au) wrote:

> >: Does anyone know the easiest way to grind herbs without having to use a mortar

> >: and pestle which takes me forever.  

> 

> >Well, I've used a hammer on hawthorne and, though effective, it tends to 

> >be messy and slow.  What herbs are you grinding?

> 

> >Dave

> 

> 

> >--

> I'm grinding herbs and non-herbs  like lavender, dried roses,etc.  I'm 

> making soaps and need them finely ground.  It takes forever whichever way I do 

> it which is why I'm hoping someone out there will have a better way.

> 

> Paula

Tried a blender?

Michael

TFG





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grinding herbs

From: ccjs@sun.cse.bris.ac.uk (J. Simpson)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 08:35:30 GMT



Adam Van Wirdum (adamtfg@ozemail.com.au) wrote:

: > 

: > >Wal or Paula (walcar@ipswichcity.gov.qld.au) wrote:

: > >: Does anyone know the easiest way to grind herbs without having to use a mortar

: > >: and pestle which takes me forever.  

: > 

Well I use an electric coffee grinder, the thing with a knife type

blade, that's driven at about 3000 rpm. Herbs with a lot of oils

or moisture can be a problem, as also woods and hard roots.



Works fine for dried leaves, things like Echinacea root, Saw

Palmetto berries if they are well dried and you take the pit

(stone) out first. Well worth a try.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grinding herbs

From: SCC3@news.delphi.com (SCC3@DELPHI.COM)

Date: 5 May 1995 18:51:37 -0400



walcar@ipswichcity.gov.qld.au (Wal or Paula) writes:



>Does anyone know the easiest way to grind herbs without having to use a mortar 

>and pestle which takes me forever.  



An electric coffee bean grinder works great -- available at most dept.

stores for $12 - $20.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grinding herbs

From: janetm@online1.magnus1.com (Janet Morrissey)

Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 23:56:45 GMT



walcar@ipswichcity.gov.qld.au (Wal or Paula) writes:

> Does anyone know the easiest way to grind herbs without having to use a mortar 

> and pestle which takes me forever.  

> 

> Paula



The easiest way I have found is to use a coffee grinder.  I have one

for herbs and one for coffee (although I will occasionally grind an

herb or two with the coffee).



Cheers,

Janet Morrissey



       +-----------------------------@--------------------------------+

       |  Janet Morrissey            @     The Truth is Out There     |

       |  "Mostly Harmless"          @          Trust No One          |

       |  janetm@online.magnus1.com  @         Deny Everything        |

       +-----------------------------@--------------------------------+





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grinding herbs

From: Gene Bilney <gb0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>

Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 14:19:52 -0500



On Fri, 5 May 1995, Wal or Paula wrote:



> Does anyone know the easiest way to grind herbs without having to use a mortar 

> and pestle which takes me forever.  

> 

> Paula

>--------------------------------

Just use a small food processor or nut grinder. 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grinding herbs

From: moreta@prostar.com (Moreta)

Date: 9 May 95 10:20:03 PDT



What I will use to grind herbs is a coffee grinder.. i have used a coffee 

grinder for both dried and fresh herb, when doing the fresh it takes a bit 

more diligence however it does work. for dried it basicly powders it. 



If you are using the herbs in soaps, what about taking some of the water 

you are using in the soap, and using a blender? 



Mo





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:Stevia

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 5 May 1995 09:31:59 GMT



rharris@inforamp.net wrote:

>

> Scott,

> 

> Thanks for the information regarding Stevia.  I got your email but didn't have an address to reply to.

> 

> I'm still (with not much success) looking for Stevia in Toronto.  One health food store told me she expected to

> be able to stock it again soon.

> 

> Rae

> 

Friend of mine Katherine at "Grovels" in Toronto has a plant give her aring and ask how she got it.

Michael

The Fragrant Garden

Australia





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: blas.oddone@connline.com

Date: Wed, 17 May 95 22:10:00 EST





Hi !



I would like to add some facts on the Stevia.... As a native of Paraguay

(South America) I can add that from the 70 + varieties of Stevia (from

Mexico to Tierra del Fuego) the sweetest of all grows in Paraguay and its

active compound the Stevioside is @ 300 times sweeter than reg. sugar... and

since it is a natural non-caloric sweetener...is is ideal for weight

reducction... besides other medicinal indications it is good for diabetes,

cardiotonic, harburning, flatulence, obesity and hipertension... so as you

can see...this little herb...can do a lot of good to humanity....I hope the

FDA and the rest of the Food Industry Authorities...realized this

soon...specially when 41% of the Japan's Food Industry is already using it

as its main source of -natural non-caloric non-carcinogenic- sweetener...

I am a supplier of natural products from Paraguay.  Should you be interested

to know more about this and other ancient medicinal plants from S. America,

let me know.



Best regards,



Blas





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Borrage

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 5 May 1995 09:34:16 GMT



Steve Croker <steve.croker@bbsrc.ac.uk> wrote:

>

> Can anyone tell me what the active agent in Borrage is?

> 

> Steve.croker@bbsrc.ac.uk

> 

Active for what?

Contains lots of potassium in leaves.

Oil from seeds very high in gla as evening primrose.

See Dukes books for analaysis.

Michael 

TFG





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Borrage

From: smiller@pacifier.com (smiller)

Date: 6 May 1995 07:13:18 GMT



I might add that borage is almost weedlike in it's tenacity.  One

large, beautiful plant, two years ago.  Today, I'm STILL pulling borage

seedlings out of my raised beds, <g>.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Borrage

From: xdcrlab@quake.net (Mike Davis)

Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 11:54:20 -0800



In article <3oao9e$e2l@is.bbsrc.ac.uk>, Steve Croker

<steve.croker@bbsrc.ac.uk> wrote:



> Can anyone tell me what the active agent in Borrage is?

> 

Steve,

The oil expressed from the seeds is a good source of essential fatty

acids.  GLA is the key one if memory serves.



-- 

Mike Davis))) xdcrlab@quake.net))) Medical Ultrasound Transducers

URL>> http://www.quake.net/~xdcrlab/hp.html 

Alt.Health, Life Ext., other Stuff





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: aromatherapy questions

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 5 May 1995 09:36:29 GMT



"Kara L. Chipoletti" <kc3t+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

>

> I'm doing a term paper about the uses of aromatherapy in

> "medical"settings such as birthing suites, cardiology units, and

> intensive care.  I'd really like to interview someone who has

> experienced and benefited from aromatherapy after giving birth.  Anyone

> out there interested in sharing your experiences, please email me. 

> Thanks for any help you might be able to give me...kara



Try a posting to alt.aromatherapy too. We are selling a lot of Lavender Oil to

Australian Hospitals lately.

Michael

TFG OZ





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: aromatherapy questions

From: jnichola@vt.edu (j nicholas)

Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 23:54:47 -0600



In article <3ocrit$ai0@oznet03.ozemail.com.au>, Adam Van Wirdum

<adamtfg@ozemail.com.au> wrote:



> "Kara L. Chipoletti" <kc3t+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

> >

> > I'm doing a term paper about the uses of aromatherapy in

> > "medical"settings such as birthing suites, cardiology units, and

> > intensive care.  I'd really like to interview someone who has

> > experienced and benefited from aromatherapy after giving birth.



I used lavender oil for migraines during pregnancy but not after birth.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: aromatherapy questions

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 13 May 1995 00:13:33 GMT



jnichola@vt.edu (j nicholas) wrote:

>

> In article <3ocrit$ai0@oznet03.ozemail.com.au>, Adam Van Wirdum

> <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> 

> > "Kara L. Chipoletti" <kc3t+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

> > >

> > > I'm doing a term paper about the uses of aromatherapy in

> > > "medical"settings such as birthing suites, cardiology units, and

> > > intensive care.  I'd really like to interview someone who has

> > > experienced and benefited from aromatherapy after giving birth.

> 

> I used lavender oil for migraines during pregnancy but not after birth.



see also alt.aromatherapy newsgroup.

MB





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Moth repellant

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 5 May 1995 09:46:26 GMT



Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>

> In article: <D828xv.8M0@online.magnus1.com>  janetm@online1.magnus1.com (Janet Morrissey) writes:

> > 

> > I'm getting ready to put away my winter sweaters and was wondering if

> > anyone knew an herbal repellant for moths.  I can't afford to lose any

> > more of them to moth holes as in past years.  I can't use moth balls or

> > cedar due to allergies.

> 

> Lavender, Lemongrass, Champhor, Rosemary, Citronella

> 

> 

> Small cottonwool balls with chosen essential oils on can be put between the clothes in the 

> drawer.  c.f. The Fragrant Pharmacy, by Valerie Ann Worwood.

> 

> 

> Graham Sorenson Natures Gifts, Essential Oils

> Guide to Aromatherapy URL 

> http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html

> 

Cedarwood is good too.

Michael                                 The Fragrant Garden

                                25 Portsmouth Road

                                   Erina 2250

                                N.S.W, Australia



Adam Van Wirdum - usually blamed for most messages.(This is a disclaimer).

Michael Bailes  - Owner and usually author of most messages.



The Fragrant Garden is a nursery, bookshop display garden, apothecary, gift shop, wholesaler and a collection of people who love all and everything to do 

 and who try to learn everything about them. (Impossible!).

                "Never go to a doctor whose office plants have died" 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Moth repellant

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sharon Rust)

Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 09:49:12 -0700



In article <D828xv.8M0@online.magnus1.com>, janetm@online1.magnus1.com

(Janet Morrissey) wrote:



> I'm getting ready to put away my winter sweaters and was wondering if

> anyone knew an herbal repellant for moths.  I can't afford to lose any

> more of them to moth holes as in past years.  I can't use moth balls or

> cedar due to allergies.

> 

> Please e-mail responses as well as posting them since my server 

> frequently looses whole groups of messages.  Thanks of any help you

> can give me.

> 

> Cheers,

> Janet Morrissey

              Cotton lavender (santolina chamaecyparissus) and

tansy(tanacetum vulgare) as well as the  before mentioned herbs. You can

use the herbs in a sachet alone or combined to repell moths.  I put my

woolens in bags and put little sachets in with them.  I also have a

lavendar wand in my drawer.  To make a sachet you can use anything from

nylon netting to an old sock, these need to be replaced every 3-6months it

depends on how fresh the herbs are that you purchase. Growing these herbs

would be your best bet.        Sharon Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Moth repellant

From: JOHN HOUGHTON <john@hough.demon.co.uk>

Date: 7 May 1995 01:02:56 +0100



In article: <285517663wnr@fragrant.demon.co.uk>  Graham Sorenson 

<Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk> writes:

 

> In article: <D828xv.8M0@online.magnus1.com>  janetm@online1.magnus1.com 

(Janet Morrissey) writes:

> > 

> > I'm getting ready to put away my winter sweaters and was wondering if

> > anyone knew an herbal repellant for moths.  I can't afford to lose any

> > more of them to moth holes as in past years.  I can't use moth balls or

> > cedar due to allergies.

> 

> Lavender, Lemongrass, Champhor, Rosemary, Citronella

> 

> 

> Small cottonwool balls with chosen essential oils on can be put between 

the clothes in the 

> drawer.  c.f. The Fragrant Pharmacy, by Valerie Ann Worwood.

> 

> 

> Graham Sorenson Natures Gifts, Essential Oils

> Guide to Aromatherapy URL 

> http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html

> 

>>> My old granny suggested Orange peel, and it worked.

>>> She said it also deters carpet "Wooley Bears " but the bumps under

>>> the carpet looks rather unsightly.



 

-- 

JOHN HOUGHTON





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Indian Traditional Medicines

From: Snowy Baijnath <snowy@pixie.udw.ac.za>

Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 12:13:52 +0200



Hi !



I am new to the group and hope that the readers here will be able to help 

me.  Am currently a research assistant to a Prof. in Botany at UDW - a 

university in South Africa.



I am very interested in the use of plants, indigenous and exotic as 

"alternative" cures.  The use of parts, (roots, stems, leaves, etc) or 

extracts of plants is currently a "hot" research area.  I am hoping that 

the readers will be able to share some of their knowledge on the 

subject.  My interest is admittedly of a narrow scope - that of Indian 

traditional medicines - BUT, I would like to read any opinions that you 

may have concerning the utilisation, preparation, etc. of herbs as used 

in our modern day society.



Many thanks



S.N.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: snowy@pixie.udw.ac.za

Subject: Re: Indian Traditional Medicines

From: Cathy <Cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 8 May 1995 02:03:21 GMT



American Indians were very knowledgable about the herbs of their areas 

and their uses.  I don't know a lot about how the Indian people use herbs 

but have a friend who is studying to be a Shaman.  I bet he knows.  I 

don't know if he accesses the Internet, next time I see him I will ask.



I do know that the Plains Indians used Purple Coneflower, botanical name 

Echinacea purpurea for medicinal purposes.  This herb reportedly boosts 

ones own immune system to fight off disease.  The part of the herb that 

is used is the root.



The Indians of the American Southwest used the fibers of the Yucca plant 

as a thread and its point as a needle or awl for thin materials.  I hear, 

although I can't vouch for accuracy, that other parts of the plant were 

used to make soap.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

From: g.a.guarry@larc.nasa.gov (Greg A. Guarry)

Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 16:38:06 GMT



In article <3obo6r$lqf@nic.umass.edu> KBIRCHEN@frost.oit.umass.edu (Kerrin Birchenough) writes:

>From: KBIRCHEN@frost.oit.umass.edu (Kerrin Birchenough)

>Subject: Panic Disorder

>Date: 4 May 1995 23:32:43 GMT



>sgroups:alt.folklore.herbs

>Summary: I wanted to know if anyone knew of any herbal remedies for panic

>disorder.  If anyone has any information I would appreciate your help.: 

>Keywords: panic disorder

>References: 



Just today I saw the tail end of some TV add about panic disorder.  I'm 

curious what this is and how it effects people?





Greg A. Guarry                  

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

From: mhoneth@inforamp.net

Date: 11 May 1995 17:28:13 -0400



In alt.folklore.herbs g.a.guarry@larc.nasa.gov (Greg A. Guarry) said: 

 

 

>In article <3obo6r$lqf@nic.umass.edu> KBIRCHEN@frost.oit.umass.edu (Kerrin

 

>Birchenough) writes: 

>>Subject: Panic Disorder 

>>Date: 4 May 1995 23:32:43 GMT 

> 

> 

>>sgroups:alt.folklore.herbs 

>>Summary: I wanted to know if anyone knew of any herbal remedies for panic



>>disorder.  If anyone has any information I would appreciate your help.:  

>>Keywords: panic disorder 

>>References:  

> 

> 

>Just today I saw the tail end of some TV add about panic disorder.  I'm

curious  

>what this is and how it effects people? 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>Greg A. Guarry 			 

>NASA Langley Research Center		voice:  (804) 864-6443 Simulation Systems  

>Branch		fax:    (804) 864-8837 Mail Stop 125B				e-mail:  

>g.a.guarry@larc.nasa.gov Hampton, VA 23681-0001 

 

 

 

 

Sounds familiar!  I was cured by an abundance of love and security but

lacking that the one thing that I think would help a bit would be to use

Essential oils and surround yourself with whatever smell seems right at the

time.  Lavender is calming, but I've found that only your nose can descide

for you.  Adding about 3 or so drops to a warm bath often sorts me out. 

 

Good luck - it's not a nice place to be. 

 

Carol @ Michael Honeth 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

From: brucepeter@aol.com (BrucePeter)

Date: 17 May 1995 08:21:09 -0400



Hi Kerrin,



My wife, Donna, who is an Holistic Counselor was invited to speak at a

Panic Disorder group.  She has been working with a couple of people from

the group.  I know one of the things that seemed to help was a Bach Flower

Remedy called Rescue Remedy, B-vitamins, and a product called Nutra-Calm. 

Also a Chinese herbal combination call STR-C.

If you would like to speak with her directly (sorry she doesn't do

computers very well) you could call her at "Healthy Alternatives"

516-661-4187.  She could direct you where to obtain these items and send

you additional info.



Good luck,

Bruce





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 20 May 95 22:37:32 PST



In message ID <3pcpnl$isd@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 5/17/95, BrucePeter

<brucepeter@aol.com> wrote:



: Hi Kerrin,

: 

: My wife, Donna, who is an Holistic Counselor was invited to speak at a

: Panic Disorder group.  She has been working with a couple of people from

: the group.  I know one of the things that seemed to help was a Bach

: Flower Remedy called Rescue Remedy, B-vitamins, and a product called

: Nutra-Calm.  Also a Chinese herbal combination call STR-C. If you

: would like to speak with her directly (sorry she doesn't do

: computers very well) you could call her at "Healthy Alternatives"

: 516-661-4187.  She could direct you where to obtain these items and

: send you additional info.

: 

: Good luck,

: Bruce



If she sells these materials, this is an ad, and they are not allowed in

noncommercial newsgroups. If you want to mention product names, post the

ingredients at least. And state that you have commercial involvement. And then

don't ask anyone to contact you by e-mail.





--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Disorder

From: brucepeter@aol.com (BrucePeter)

Date: 24 May 1995 22:40:08 -0400



SORRY! Yes, she does sell these things here on Long Island, but they are

all available in your own locale.  

--Bruce

PS:(Nutri-calm contains a base of b-vitamins.)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Datura metel seeds

From: Martin Thoren <thoren@aristotle.se>

Date: 5 May 1995 16:49:06 GMT



Hi every one!



I'm looking for some Dature metel seeds. If you have any datura metel,

or any other datura seeds, please contact me and maybe we can 

exchange some.

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gluten-What is it?

From: jhhjy@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Joshin Yamada)

Date: 5 May 1995 12:15:59 -0700



Paul Iannone (p_iannone@pop.com) wrote:

: In message ID <3nop1h$1gg@ankh.iia.org> on 4/27/95, Joana Moreno

: <joana@warwick.com> wrote:



: : What is Gluten? is it something like glue by any chance? I see in the

: : health food stores things that say Gluten-free, is it bad. Then on

: : a lot of food ingredient labels I see Gluten especially in bread.

: : thanx in advance-Joana

: Gluten is the protein in wheat. It is not 'bad,' but some individuals have an

: illness that makes it important for them to avoid it.



Is celiac disease the only recognized disease that makes one gluten

intolerant?



Deebie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: alternative to SSRI'S

From: tkeenan@uoguelph.ca (Timothy J Keenan)

Date: 5 May 1995 19:23:31 GMT



RGonza7539 (rgonza7539@aol.com) wrote:

: Are there any herbs that have the serotonin inhibiting properties that

: drugs like prozac,paxil and zoloft do?

:                                           Thank you,

:                                          Ralph



Well, morning glory seeds contain some lysergic acid compounds, which 

promote serotonin release.  Not the same thing as inhibiting the uptake 

of serotonin, and a lot less controlled.  I will vouch from personal 

experience for the fact that too much Paxil (as discovered when 

trying to find the right dose) *feels* very much like 

the beginnings of an LSD experience, but it never gets off the ground.



-- 

Tim Keenan



Cliff Ecology Research Group

Botany Department

University of Guelph

Guelph, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ADD and herbs

From: jhhjy@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Joshin Yamada)

Date: 5 May 1995 12:27:23 -0700



Can anyone point me to any sources of information about Attention Deficit 

Disorder and herbal or other natural treatments?  My immediate family is

rife with ADD, and most of us are leery of the classic mediactions.



I would appreciate it if answers were sent by e-mail, as well as posting.

I will post anything that I find out, but I am likely to forget that I

posted this question --that's kinda the definition of ADD ;-)



Thanks for your time and effort.



Oh yeah, I would also be interseted in sources orf treatment or research

into Tourette Syndrome, or Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, as they seem to

have strong connections to ADD.



Deebie

.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ADD and herbs

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 6 May 1995 05:08:40 GMT



Herbal remedies for ADD basically amount to stimulants like ephedra or 

coffee.  They're not particularly effective.  My husband with ADD tried 

them all; I'm speaking from experience here.



I suggest that you talk to people who are taking the meds over on 

alt.support.attn-deficit.  Most folks there RAVE about how much they've 

been helped by them.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: children and herbs

From: Suze.Hammond@f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Suze Hammond)

Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 14:36:00 -0800



 NW> From: wright31@assets.wharton.upenn.edu (Norman Wright)



 NW> Can anybody give me documentation on cases where children were harmed

 NW> by  the application of herbal remedies.  I am a father of two who is 

 NW> interested in the use of such remedies but have some fear of doing

 NW> damage  to my children.  I, of course, realize that children die every

 NW> day from  the use of pharmaceutical remedies and consider them much

 NW> more dangerous  even in the hands of a competent physician.  I would,

 NW> thus, like to have  more information on the uses and dangers of herbs

 NW> for children. 



No docs. However, as some people here make plain, any medicinal may have

side effects, etc. You need to buy good herbal books, and you need to read

up on anything you use, either on you or on them. Use common sense...

Adjust dosage to child's weight... etc.



Used wisely they shouldn't be any more problem with children than whatever

the non-herbal analog is.



I always cross-reference between my favorite herbal (the Lust book

mentioned recently) and my big paperback book of modern drugs, if I know

what the pharmaceutical analog is.

 

... Suze





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: children and herbs

From: Jay_Mann@equinox.gen.nz (Jay Mann)

Date: 6 May 1995 00:30:00 GMT



Norman Wright (wright31@assets.wharton.upenn.edu) wrote:

: Can anybody give me documentation on cases where children were harmed by 

: the application of herbal remedies.  I am a father of two who is 

: interested in the use of such remedies but have some fear of doing damage 

: to my children.  I, of course, realize that children die every day from 

: the use of pharmaceutical remedies and consider them much more dangerous 

: even in the hands of a competent physician.  I would, thus, like to have 

: more information on the uses and dangers of herbs for children.



Children given garlic pills or garlic oil have been damaged, some killed. 

Cited from an australian book, which unfortunately didn't give medical

citations.



Jay D Mann  <jmann@equinox.gen.nz>

Christchurch, New Zealand





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: dieter's tea

From: Jay_Mann@equinox.gen.nz (Jay Mann)

Date: 6 May 1995 00:31:52 GMT



Vicky Lee Santiesteban (vls0001@jove.acs.unt.edu) wrote:

: Exactly what is dieter's tea?  I've seen it in my local whole foods store 

: and am wondering:

: 

: 1.  Does it curb the appetite?

: 2.  Does it assist in elimination?

: 3.  Is it simply a fancy tasting (and expensive) diuretic?

: 

The "dieter's tea" sold here in Christchurch has a label warning that "if

the diarrhea is too severe, reduce the dosage".



Jay D Mann  <jmann@equinox.gen.nz>

Christchurch, New Zealand





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wormwood/Absinthe/ Mugwort/ Thujone

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri,  5 May 95 16:51:47 PST



In message ID <3nusbc$m9k@rigel.pixi.com> on 4/29/95, Richard Jacobson <"richj

"@pixi.com> wrote:



: >: My biggest concern goes out to the proponents of Chinese Herbal Mythology

: >: who claim that herbs such as these elimanate "Qi Stagnation". Anyone

: >:  who goes around thinking that these plants "unblock energy

: >: channels" is poorly advised. 

: 

: >You have misconstrued my response to a post about Mugwort (or was

: it Wormwood). 



This was an attempt at humor. Sorry.



:>A person stated that they had an effect, and I

: >hypothesized that the effect was due to the aromatic oils in the

: >plant. I did not state that this was the case, but just offered the

: >observation. Mugwort is of course one of the best known herbals in

: >the world. Moxabustion is done with mugwort, a VERY hot burning

: >herb. Artemisia sp. are used extensively in internal healing also,

: >and I know of no toxicity reports from use of  those formulas.

: 

: >'Poorly advised'? What does that mean?

: 

: I think he means that it is bad advice. Hopefully that is clear to

: you.



Ah, the shoes of DragonSlayer are indeed hard to fill, eh, Rich? To say that it

is 'poorly advised' to consider that herbals move energy in energy Channels is

tantamount to saying that acupuncture is 'poorly advised.' That's a pretty big

statement, offered with no more basis than the naked prejudice of one individual

against nonconventional theories of healing. 



Hopefully that is clear to you.



:  By whom?

: 

: Whoever gives such advice I would presume. Best not to take things

: so personally. It imbalances the system predisposing one to ill health.

: 

: Aloha,

: 

: Rich



No, ignorance is a far greater killer. We're all at your funeral.



--Paul [p_iannone@pop.com]



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hydrogen peroxide & ulcers

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri,  5 May 95 16:52:21 PST



In message ID <3nut6e$md2@rigel.pixi.com> on 4/29/95, Richard Jacobson <"richj

"@pixi.com> wrote:



: >That may be true, but it is inaccurate to say that bleeding ulcers

: cannot be >treated with herbals, or to refer to 'untreated bleeding

: ulcers' as if herbal >therapy wasn't treatment. There are a variety

: of herbals that are very effective >for stopping bleeding of ulcers

: (as demonstrated in rabbit and mouse lab tests, >and human clinical studies)

: 

: Please give the source for human studies demonstrating that herbals

: are extremely effective at controlling bleeding ulcers. Ulcers are

: a potentially fatal condition and if truly there are human studies

: demonstrating this it would be helpful to look at the source. 



Why would you need human studies? Pig gut is nearly the same tissue as human

gut. Nonetheless:



"Treatment of gastric and duodenal ulcers: Prescriptions in which Os Sepiae seu

Sepillae (hai piao xiao) is a major substance have been used in many clinical

studies to successfully treat ulcers. In one study of over 40 patients with

bleeding ulcers, a combination of powdered [sepia] and powdered Rhizoma

Blettillae (bai ji) were used with excellent results. For most patients,

symptoms were relieved and hemocult tests became negative within 3-7 days. In

another study of 31 patients with perforated ulcers treated with a combination

of the same two substances, 29 were cured, one improved (concommitant ascites),

and one died (brought to the hospital in shock)." [Bensky & Gamble, CHINESE

HERBAL MEDICINE MATERIA MEDICA, 2nd ed. Eastland Press, Seattle, 1993. p. 393].



I have long ago stated that I'm not going to get involved in hunting down proofs

for commonly accepted and uncommonly known ETH protocols. But you have been such

a turd lately, that here is one. I can get the references as well, as if you

care.



: . I am not suggesting that conventional therapy

: >should not be sought--the discovery of a bacterial cause is a milestone-

[snipped by Rich]



: I thought that you said that treating bacterial infection with

: antibiotics is isolative treatment that should be avoided.

: Is this an exception to the ETH rule?



When did I ever say that? When?



: >I have stopped chronic bleeding in IBS cases (where conventional therapy

: >completely failed) by diet therapy and the OTC herbal formula

: >Yunnan Bai Yao (about $3 a box in Chinatown), within a day or two.

: >There are in fact many ways to SYMPTOM MANAGE such problems.

: >Nonetheless, a route that leads to actual cure (not suppression) is

: >always better than symptom management.

: 

: Before one takes medical advice over the internet be sure to check

: the credentials and qualifications of those giving the advice. Don't

: play games with your health.



Sounding more and more like DS, aren't we, Rich? One client had been through

EVERYTHING, and her only option was an experimental drug program at the Mayo

Clinic. Changing her diet and giving her Yunnan Bai Yao reduced her bleeding by

90% in two days. Nevermind...she shouldn't risk her health with herbals....



: >For ulcer and Stomach pain, the OTC herbal formula 'Wei Te Ling'

: >gives almost immediate relief. It contains three ingredients: a

: >kind of tumeric that is impressively pain relieving, cuttlefish

: >bone (which stops bleeding in ulcers VERY effectively), and honey

: >(to nourish the Stomach, and as an emollient to heal tissue).

: 

: >We are not marooned on a desert isle of isolative therapy.

: 

: I think it is good to isolate a problem and treat it at the root. 



Isolating a problem is often ignoring the root.



: The

: basic question is what is the root of the problem. Each theoretical

: paradigm has a different idea about root cause. They are all

: theories however and until demonstrated by well designed

: clinical studies are simply opinions. 

:  

: Aloha,

: 

: Rich



Oh, now it's "well designed clinical studies"? I thought you wanted

double-blinded proof. What happened, you discover that conventional medicine is

poorly validated?



Your ideology is full of holes that you could drive a bus through.



--Paul [p_iannone@pop.com]



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flax Seed Oil

From: stuart@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Stuart Yeates)

Date: 6 May 1995 01:09:14 GMT



bwind on BIX (bwind@BIX.com) wrote:



>You might want to pick up the book 'Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill',

>Udo Erasmus, Alive books.  Although it concentrates on humans, it does

>have a ton of info on fats and oils with a very heavy slant on Flax

>Seed oil and the essential fatty acids found within.



>Flax seed oil is one of the few plants that contains significant amounts

>of alpha-linolenic acid, an essential fatty acid for most animals.  It

>is the precursor to EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid or omega-3 fatty acid as

>also found in fatty cold water fish) which is used to form PG3

>series prostaglandins and help regulate the rate of conversion between

>PG1 and PG2 series prostaglandins from the other essential fatty acid

>(gamma-linolenic acid, as derived from linoleic acid).



Could you please post the scientific name of the Flax you are discussing,

as there are several around the world...



Many thanks



--

B*B

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flax Seed Oil

From: bwind@BIX.com (bwind on BIX)

Date: 10 May 95 09:21:52 GMT





Flax Seed: Linum usitatissimum.  As far as I can tell, if it isn't

an ornamental flax, then although the nutrient levels may differ

somewhat, the seeds still contain the highest amount of vegetable

based alpha-Linolenic Acid.  So any non ornamental variety should

work.



Brian





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why "Folklore" in Name

From: stuart@csc.canterbury.ac.nz (Stuart Yeates)

Date: 6 May 1995 01:17:46 GMT



Adam Van Wirdum (adamtfg@ozemail.com.au) wrote:

>Why  does this group have "Folklore" in its name.

>No one talks about folkore.

>It trivialises  and demeans Herbal medicine



It's largely for historical reasons. If you want to change things,

read alt.config (if you want to go someplace else in the alt 

heirachy) or news.groups for elsewhere (sci.med for example)



be aware however:



1) The new group may _never_ get as good propogation as this 

newsgroup gets.



2) It may take months to get started



3) If it does get started it will take years to get even vaguely

well propogated around the world. 



4) It will take the coordinated efforts of about 10+ people to get 

it started (maybe less if most have lots of experiance on UseNet)



5) Any attempt to move to sci.med or similar may very well be 

blocked those already there.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: tlshay@aol.com (TLSHAY)

Date: 5 May 1995 21:18:22 -0400



Don't laugh, but this is founded medical info:  Sexual activity -

specifically, orgasms, releases endorphins.  It has been known to even

control bronchospasms - people having asthma ( very mild episodes). If

this fits into the category of exercise, then so be it, but it's accurate.



Terry - an Exertion Induced Asthmatic





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 10 May 1995 15:10:21 GMT



Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

and vigorous exercise. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: sqeaky@ix.netcom.com (James Cooley)

Date: 10 May 1995 15:57:59 GMT



In <3oql0t$420@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

Miller) writes: 

>

>Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides

humor

>and vigorous exercise. 





One word:  SEX!





Jim -- "To sleep, perchance to rub; ah, there's the dream"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: taylorj@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Jon M. Taylor)

Date: 10 May 1995 23:37:59 GMT



In article <3oqnq7$575@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,

James Cooley <sqeaky@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>In <3oql0t$420@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

>Miller) writes: 

>>

>>Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides

>humor

>>and vigorous exercise. 

>

>

>One word:  SEX!



        One more word: PAIN!



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: eharris@synnovation.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 12:44:39 PDT



In article <3oql0t$420@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, <bob3@ix.netcom.com> writes:



> Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

> and vigorous exercise. 



The answer is chocolate!  It contains phenylethylamine, a naturally occurring 

amphetamine-like substance which releases endorphins.



_________________________________________________________________

E-mail: Ed Harris <eharris@synnovation.com>



If found listless or depressed, administer chocolate immediately!

_________________________________________________________________





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: jec4@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joseph E. Ckarke)

Date: 10 May 1995 14:35:15 -0500



 Body-related meditations like a martial art and spiritual dancing tend

to release a feeling of well being and spiritual escalation. Whether

these feelings are derived from endorphins or not, I do not know.

However, the results Ive experienced have coincided with some of the reports

Ive read on endorphin action. Endorphins, according to collective sources,

range in effect from pain relievers to psychoactive spiritual experiences.

I try to think of them as being completely flexible in psychological effect.

It would be wonderful to read more about them, especially the specifics of

the subject.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: gaumondp@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Pierre Gaumond)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:43:32 GMT



In article <NEWTNews.31018.800135183.EHARRIS@synnov.synnovation.com> eharris@synnovation.com writes:

>

>In article <3oql0t$420@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, <bob3@ix.netcom.com> writes:

>

>> Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

>> and vigorous exercise. 

>> 

>

>The answer is chocolate!  It contains phenylethylamine, a naturally occurring 

>amphetamine-like substance which releases endorphins.



Does carob or other foods also contain good amounts of phenylethylamine?



>_________________________________________________________________

>E-mail: Ed Harris <eharris@synnovation.com>

>

>If found listless or depressed, administer chocolate immediately!

>_________________________________________________________________

>

>



-- 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: gina@sones.uokhsc.edu (Gina M. Hurt)

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 22:43:58 GMT



In article <3oql0t$420@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

Miller) wrote:



> Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

> and vigorous exercise. 



I've heard that some foods, such as chocolate and hot peppers can do it. 

Also, groaning may while you are groaning.



Gina





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: jec4@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joseph E. Ckarke)

Date: 10 May 1995 18:46:00 -0500



 Yes, hot peppers too.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: dl@bellcore.com (Daniel Liebster)

Date: 11 May 1995 02:30:55 GMT



In article <jec4.800149537@Ra.MsState.Edu>, jec4@Ra.MsState.Edu (Joseph E. Ckarke) writes:

: Yes, hot peppers too.



I'll second the above. I like hot stuff. Found an Indian store

and bought some chili powder. This was the hottest powder I've 

ever had. Mixed in the same amount as I do with cayenne powder 

I usually bought. 

After the tearing abated, The sensation was awsome!





dan

 



-- 





	Belts?Belts??? We don't need no stinkin' belts!



Dan Liebster  Bellcore  dl@silat.bellcore.com  201.829.4797





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: bmorris@netcom.com (Bob Morris)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 18:52:58 GMT



>: Yes, hot peppers too.

>

>I'll second the above. I like hot stuff. Found an Indian store

>and bought some chili powder. This was the hottest powder I've



The hottest chile is the habanero.  It's even hotter than whatever is in

Japanese wosabi.  On the Scoville scale of hotness ( a legitimate

scientific scale of hotness in food ), jalapenos are 5,000-7,000 while

habaneros are 250,000-300,000.  Yow!  They'll release all the endorphins

you want ( and make you see God )!



Mo' Hotta Mo' Betta has a vast array of hot sauces in their catalog.

1 800 462-3220. ( I'm not affliated with them just a customer )





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: rhiannon@indy.net (rhiannon)

Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 17:41:08 GMT



bmorris@netcom.com (Bob Morris) wrote:



***>>>The hottest chile is the habanero.  It's even hotter than whatever is in

***>>>Japanese wosabi.  On the Scoville scale of hotness ( a legitimate

***>>>scientific scale of hotness in food ), jalapenos are 5,000-7,000 while

***>>>habaneros are 250,000-300,000.  Yow!  They'll release all the endorphins

***>>>you want ( and make you see God )!



***>>>Mo' Hotta Mo' Betta has a vast array of hot sauces in their catalog.

***>>>1 800 462-3220. ( I'm not affliated with them just a customer )



hmmm......I would think with all that heat you would see someone more

horned and sinister than God.... <evil grin>



I used to work with a guy that ate a hot pepper with his lunch every

single day. He kept a bag of different kinds in the fridge and would

just grab one and pull it out each afternoon. He never caught a cold,

even with the nastiest of flu's crawled through the office, I swear, I

think that daily pepper burned all the germs out of his body.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: pdrag@cyllene.uwa.edu.au (Zong Gonz)

Date: 12 May 1995 03:22:48 GMT



On Wed, 10 May 1995 22:43:58 GMT, Gina M. Hurt (gina@sones.uokhsc.edu) wrote:

> In article <3oql0t$420@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

> Miller) wrote:



> > Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

> > and vigorous exercise. 



> I've heard that some foods, such as chocolate and hot peppers can do it. 

> Also, groaning may while you are groaning.

        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



hehehehehehehe!  ROTFL!  are you serious?



> GIna

Pual

--

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>>>>>>       also know as pauly :)   *HUGS TO ALL*   rrarrrrr!!!!       <<<<<<

I'm now on the web!!!                      http://www.uwa.edu.au/cyllene/pdrag

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: hrm@engr.ucf.edu (H. Myler)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 21:38:59 -0500



In article <3oql0t$420@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

Miller) wrote:



> Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

> and vigorous exercise. 



Any foods heavily laced with capsaicin will cause an immediate release of

endorphins. In fact, capsaicin is a miracle supplement known only to the

most sophisticated body builders and fitness buffs. It can be purchased in

pure form, a liquid, approx. $20 per oz.. Apply it sublingually and watch

your workout take off.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: william.norris@stonebow.otago.ac.nz

Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 07:15:35 GMT



In article <hrm-1105952138590001@macmyler.engr.ucf.edu> hrm@engr.ucf.edu (H. Myler) writes:

>From: hrm@engr.ucf.edu (H. Myler)

>Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

>Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 21:38:59 -0500



>In article <3oql0t$420@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

>Miller) wrote:



>> Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

>> and vigorous exercise. 



>Any foods heavily laced with capsaicin will cause an immediate release of

>endorphins. In fact, capsaicin is a miracle supplement known only to the

>most sophisticated body builders and fitness buffs. It can be purchased in

>pure form, a liquid, approx. $20 per oz.. Apply it sublingually and watch

>your workout take off.



I enjoy the good old chili endorphin rush, but body builders taking the stuff 

in pure form? Isn't that going a tad over the top? I know these guys are 

fanatics, but I wouldn't have thought many people could volunteerily submit 

themselves to this kind of pain. How much capsaicin would you find in your 

average hot chili anyway?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: hrm@engr.ucf.edu (H. Myler)

Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 23:04:23 -0500



In article <william.norris.8.2FB5AE17@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>,

william.norris@stonebow.otago.ac.nz wrote:



> In article <hrm-1105952138590001@macmyler.engr.ucf.edu> hrm@engr.ucf.edu

(H. Myler) writes:

> >Any foods heavily laced with capsaicin will cause an immediate release of

> >endorphins. In fact, capsaicin is a miracle supplement known only to the

> >most sophisticated body builders and fitness buffs. It can be purchased in

> >pure form, a liquid, approx. $20 per oz.. Apply it sublingually and watch

> >your workout take off.

> 

> I enjoy the good old chili endorphin rush, but body builders taking the stuff 

> in pure form? Isn't that going a tad over the top? I know these guys are 

> fanatics, but I wouldn't have thought many people could volunteerily submit 

> themselves to this kind of pain. How much capsaicin would you find in your 

> average hot chili anyway?



I tried to post to misc.fitness.satire, but the server was down. I

received email asking where one could purchase pure capsaicin (it is

available), how much should be taken at a setting, etc..



Scary...isn't it. Yet, a bowl of fresh salsa and some low fat tortilla

chips give me a super rush!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White )

Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 18:55:39 GMT



In article <hrm-1105952138590001@macmyler.engr.ucf.edu>,

H. Myler <hrm@engr.ucf.edu> wrote:

>Any foods heavily laced with capsaicin will cause an immediate release of

>endorphins. In fact, capsaicin is a miracle supplement known only to the

>most sophisticated body builders and fitness buffs. It can be purchased in

>pure form, a liquid, approx. $20 per oz.. Apply it sublingually and watch

>your workout take off.



Sheesh!  I suppose people will be spraying themselves with pepper gas

next.



Actually I know a few people who would appreciate pure capsaicin for

cooking purposes .... but then these are the same sorts of people who

add caffeine citrate to their robusta bean coffee to give it an

extra kick.



-- 

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|  44 Canterbury, Athens OH  45701  | finger for PGP2.6 block             |

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: jeffcox@zeta.org.au (Jeffrey Cox)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 20:53:09 +1000



Continuing this thread, I find that mountain climbing does the trick. I

think it is more than just the exercise, there is something about having

alot of space beneath your feet that alters your emotional chemistry. It

is a very pleasurable feeling if you are confident of your climbing

ability. 



My own hypothesis is that the unconscious part of the brain senses serious

danger when you are above a large vertical drop and releases lots of

epinephrene and endorphins.

Meanwhile the conscious part of the brain goes <hey no problem I've done

more difficult climbs than this and I havent fallen and anyway I'm using a

rope that will catch me if I do fall> so it just relaxes and enjoys all

the natural stimulants and mood elevators floating around the bloodstream.





Try it sometime, but get a good instructor.



Jeff



This article was posted from a microsoft free computer.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: rr04@mailhost.gte.com (Rob Robertson)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 14:11:40 GMT





In article <jeffcox-1605952053100001@192.0.194.1> 

jeffcox@zeta.org.au (Jeffrey Cox) writes:



>Continuing this thread, I find that mountain climbing does the trick. I

>think it is more than just the exercise, there is something about having

>alot of space beneath your feet that alters your emotional chemistry. It

>is a very pleasurable feeling if you are confident of your climbing

>ability. 



>My own hypothesis is that the unconscious part of the brain senses serious

>danger when you are above a large vertical drop and releases lots of

>epinephrene and endorphins.

>Meanwhile the conscious part of the brain goes <hey no problem I've done

>more difficult climbs than this and I havent fallen and anyway I'm using a

>rope that will catch me if I do fall> so it just relaxes and enjoys all

>the natural stimulants and mood elevators floating around the bloodstream.



  Ropes? Try free soloing to really get those brain chemicals flowing! There's 

nothing like knowing that a moment's inattentiveness is all that stands 

between Life and Death. Consider it a crash course in focusing on the moment. 



>Try it sometime, but get a good instructor.



>Jeff



Climb up - Don't fall down.  What more instruction do you need?



Peace,

       Rob





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: kolbe@pando.cxo.dec.com (The Goddess in Chains)

Date: 23 May 1995 23:15:14 GMT





Another good endorphin rush is jumping a horse over a bigger fence than

you've ever done previously. I remember after one just laughing like crazy as the

relief and thrill rushed through me. A good run down the mountain while

skiing sets a few endorphins loose too. Guess that's why people become

adrenaline junkies. :*) liesl

-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Digital, Colorado Springs, Co



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: Rudi Halbright <Halbright_RUDI@JPMORGAN.COM>

Date: 12 May 1995 20:41:26 GMT



> Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

> and vigorous exercise. 



Life is often painful.  The fact that that it is difficult for us to accept 

that part of our lives is what has driven so many of us to use something

addictively to avoid the pain.  Whether you use food (e.g. chocolate),

alcohol, exercise, sex, tv, or find some way to create endorphins in

another way doesn't change that fact.  Nor does medicating oneself address

the cause of pain or hasten the resolution. 



Rudi Halbright

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: brahme@netcom.com (brahme)

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 21:26:29 GMT



In article <3p0h5m$7il@hardcopy.ny.jpmorgan.com>,

Rudi Halbright  <Halbright_RUDI@JPMORGAN.COM> wrote:

>> Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

>> and vigorous exercise. 

>

>Life is often painful.  The fact that that it is difficult for us to accept 

>that part of our lives is what has driven so many of us to use something

>addictively to avoid the pain.  Whether you use food (e.g. chocolate),

>alcohol, exercise, sex, tv, or find some way to create endorphins in



How does watching tv create endorphins?



>another way doesn't change that fact.  Nor does medicating oneself address

>the cause of pain or hasten the resolution. 

>

>Rudi Halbright

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: demers@predict.com (David DeMers)

Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 16:56:39 GMT



In article <brahmeD8HI86.9C6@netcom.com> brahme@netcom.com (brahme) writes:

>In article <3p0h5m$7il@hardcopy.ny.jpmorgan.com>,

>Rudi Halbright  <Halbright_RUDI@JPMORGAN.COM> wrote:

>>> Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

>>> and vigorous exercise. 

>>

>>Life is often painful.  The fact that that it is difficult for us to accept 

>>that part of our lives is what has driven so many of us to use something

>>addictively to avoid the pain.  Whether you use food (e.g. chocolate),

>>alcohol, exercise, sex, tv, or find some way to create endorphins in

>

>How does watching tv create endorphins?

>

>>another way doesn't change that fact.  Nor does medicating oneself address

>>the cause of pain or hasten the resolution. 

>>

>>Rudi Halbright

>> 

>

>





Seems to me that sex, mentioned as an alternative to

humor and vigorous exercise, basically *is* humor

and vigorous exercise.



Dave

Department of Redundancy Department 

Your Natural Guard





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: rschuh@ix.netcom.com (Robert Schuh)

Date: 13 May 1995 06:02:31 GMT



In <3oql0t$420@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

Miller) writes: 

>

>Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides

humor

>and vigorous exercise. 

SEX





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: zeinejohnsonds%dfyc@dfmail.usafa.af.mil (Satin )

Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 18:54:11 GMT



>In <3oql0t$420@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

>Miller) writes: 

>>

>>Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides

>humor

>>and vigorous exercise. 



Sitting trot  ....or doing a really GOOD dressage test - the kind where 

everything clicks.  Both work great for me! :-)



Satin

"Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo".   Herbert George Wells





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: pflo@unm.edu (Pat Florence)

Date: 13 May 1995 09:19:28 -0600



I read a few years back that being in love is supposed to do this.  After 

the initial excitement wears off, the endorphin release slows and 

eventually stops (except during sex, of course).  This is one explanation 

for why people tend to get tired of a relationship after a few years and 

want to 'put some spice' back in their lives.

-- 

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------------------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: bhall@Direct.CA (Brad Hall)

Date: 17 May 1995 05:52:56 GMT



In article <3p2im0$82b@triton.unm.edu>, pflo@unm.edu (Pat Florence) says:

>

>I read a few years back that being in love is supposed to do this.  After 

>the initial excitement wears off, the endorphin release slows and 

>eventually stops (except during sex, of course).  This is one explanation 

>for why people tend to get tired of a relationship after a few years and 

>want to 'put some spice' back in their lives.

>-- 

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Patrick S. Florence                              e-mail:     pflo@mail.unm.edu

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------





I don't know where you've read this.  But I've read over and over that it

is not endorphins that are responsible for the temporary excitement 

people feel when they fall in love.  It is phenethylamine and dopamine

release (at the nerve synapses) that are responsible for this.  The 

endorphin thing is supposed to occur after this and is said to be more

or less long term (getting greater as the relationship matures).



Brad Hall





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: pMcNamara@usenet-news (Peter McNamara)

Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 13:53:16 GMT



Pat Florence (pflo@unm.edu) wrote:

: I read a few years back that being in love is supposed to do this.  After 

: the initial excitement wears off, the endorphin release slows and 

: eventually stops (except during sex, of course).  This is one explanation 

: for why people tend to get tired of a relationship after a few years and 

: want to 'put some spice' back in their lives.



I saw a TV show explaining that love was deeply related to dopamine

receptors too ; perhaps someone could explain us the difference between

endorphine and dopamine, related to love ?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: sqeaky@ix.netcom.com (James Cooley)

Date: 18 May 1995 14:15:28 GMT



In <1995May17.135316.23924@usenet-news> pMcNamara@usenet-news (Peter

McNamara) writes: 

>

>Pat Florence (pflo@unm.edu) wrote:

>: I read a few years back that being in love is supposed to do this. 

After 

>: the initial excitement wears off, the endorphin release slows and 

>: eventually stops (except during sex, of course).  This is one

explanation 

>: for why people tend to get tired of a relationship after a few years

and 

>: want to 'put some spice' back in their lives.

>

>I saw a TV show explaining that love was deeply related to dopamine

>receptors too ; perhaps someone could explain us the difference

between

>endorphine and dopamine, related to love ?



As I recall, some studies have shown a rel btween prolactin, "nesting

behavior"(among birds), and 'being in love' (among humans, that is...).

Since there's probably be an inverse homeostatic rel between PRL and

DA, with melatonin thrown in there soemwhere <G>, I'd speculate that



1. Less darkness ---> melatonin secretion decreases 

2. melatonin secretion decreases ---> PRL levels decrease

3. PRL decrease ---> DA levels increase

3. DA levels increase ---> love?



Okay, this is just hair-brained (feather-brained?) speculation on my

part. Comments, criticisms, anyone?



Jim -- "To sleep, perchance to rub; ah, there's the dream!" 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: pMcNamara@usenet-news (Peter McNamara)

Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 13:27:31 GMT



James Cooley (sqeaky@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: 1. Less darkness ---> melatonin secretion decreases 

: 2. melatonin secretion decreases ---> PRL levels decrease

: 3. PRL decrease ---> DA levels increase

: 3. DA levels increase ---> love?



What a life, to fall in love every day... :-)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: yazz@lccsd.sd.locus.com (Bob Yazz)

Date: 20 May 1995 00:52:15 GMT



James Cooley <sqeaky@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



| 1. Less darkness ---> melatonin secretion decreases 

| 2. melatonin secretion decreases ---> PRL levels decrease

| 3. PRL decrease ---> DA levels increase

| 4. DA levels increase ---> love?



I'd say this means keep an eye on your spouse around the Summer Solstice!



| Okay, this is just hair-brained (feather-brained?) speculation on my

| part. Comments, criticisms, anyone?



Most amusing .signature I've seen in at least a year.



| Jim -- "To sleep, perchance to rub; ah, there's the dream!" 



Best Wishes



== Bob Yazz ==

-- 

Ever cautious, Motives pure; Safe and effective, Who could demur?

Lead, follow or get out of the way.  Unless, of course, you're the FDA.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: TK

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 23:57:31 GMT



: James Cooley <sqeaky@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



:  1. Less darkness ---> melatonin secretion decreases 



But melatonin is the chemical responsible for giving your skin a

tan in response to exposure to sunlight. It seems to me that it should

read:



More darkness ---> melatonin secretion decreases      or

Less darkness ---> melatonin secretion increases



:  2. melatonin secretion decreases ---> PRL levels decrease

:  3. PRL decrease ---> DA levels increase

:  4. DA levels increase ---> love?



Anybody else out there thinking while they read?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: keving@primenet.com (Kevin Goldstein)

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 22:46:44 MST



In article <psyclerD9BBvv.D8H@netcom.com> TK writes:

>From: TK

>Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

>Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 23:57:31 GMT



>: James Cooley <sqeaky@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>:  1. Less darkness ---> melatonin secretion decreases 



>But melatonin is the chemical responsible for giving your skin a

>tan in response to exposure to sunlight. It seems to me that it should

>read:



>More darkness ---> melatonin secretion decreases      or

>Less darkness ---> melatonin secretion increases



>:  2. melatonin secretion decreases ---> PRL levels decrease

>:  3. PRL decrease ---> DA levels increase

>:  4. DA levels increase ---> love?



>Anybody else out there thinking while they read?



Um, I think you're confusing melanin with melatonin. Two different substances.



-Kevin





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: sqeaky@ix.netcom.com (James Cooley)

Date: 29 May 1995 07:52:14 GMT



In <psyclerD9BBvv.D8H@netcom.com> TK writes: 

>

>: James Cooley <sqeaky@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>

>:  1. Less darkness ---> melatonin secretion decreases 

>

>But melatonin is the chemical responsible for giving your skin a

>tan in response to exposure to sunlight. It seems to me that it should

>read:

>

>More darkness ---> melatonin secretion decreases      or

>Less darkness ---> melatonin secretion increases

>

>:  2. melatonin secretion decreases ---> PRL levels decrease

>:  3. PRL decrease ---> DA levels increase

>:  4. DA levels increase ---> love?

>

>Anybody else out there thinking while they read?



Sometimes...Perhaps you are confusing melanin and melatonin? This is

but a hair-brained idea designed to elicit response/debate.



Jim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: james@astro.as.utexas.edu (James McCartney)

Date: 26 May 1995 04:22:20 GMT



In article <3pfkq0$ik7@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, sqeaky@ix.netcom.com (James

Cooley) wrote:

> Okay, this is just hair-brained (feather-brained?) speculation on my



  That's hare-brained as in rabbit. The kind of ideas Bug's would have.

Bug's the rabbit, not insect. Insects don't have hair. Mammals do.

Rabbits are mammals.



  There was a nit, I picked it..



   --- james mccartney    james@astro.as.utexas.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: tkl@forecast.com

Date: Sun, 28 May 95 19:53:17 PDT







In article <james-2505952315540001@slip-20-16.ots.utexas.edu>, 

<james@astro.as.utexas.edu> writes:

> In article <3pfkq0$ik7@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, sqeaky@ix.netcom.com 

(James

> Cooley) wrote:

> > Okay, this is just hair-brained (feather-brained?) speculation on 

my



 

>   That's hare-brained as in rabbit. The kind of ideas Bug's would 

have.

> Bug's the rabbit, not insect. Insects don't have hair. Mammals do.

> Rabbits are mammals.

> 

>   There was a nit, I picked it..

> 

>    --- james mccartney    james@astro.as.utexas.edu

> 





But [some] insects DO have "hair".  (I looked.)



Mammals are [like] insects, somewhat?  :-)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: yazz@lccsd.sd.locus.com (Bob Yazz)

Date: 20 May 1995 00:48:53 GMT



Peter McNamara <pMcNamara@usenet-news> wrote:



| I saw a TV show explaining that love was deeply related to dopamine

| receptors too ; perhaps someone could explain us the difference between

| endorphine and dopamine, related to love ?



Well, it's not fully clear.  In fact, I'm not even sure that endorphins

have that much to do with the "in love" feeling, or that they're good

for you.



In experiments where they're mean to rats (making them live stressful

rat lives), rats have higher endorphin levels and also artery disease.



But if you also administer opiate (endorphin) blockers, they don't get

the artery disease.



So endorphins don't just make you feel good; they are involved with other

things too.



Dopamine, if one is to allow the attributing of an emotion to a single

neurotransmitter (it's way more complicated than that!), has to do with

drive and determination.



On the other hand, I actually got a phone call last year from a friend

I hadn't heard from in a while, *insisting* I turn on my TV (for the OJ

White Bronco chase).  After acquiescing, I told my friend he sounded

particularly dopaminergic that day -- and he told me he had been taking

Wellbutrin, which is a dopaminergic (pro-dopamine) medication.



So, while saying "dopamine = drive & determination" is certainly an

oversimplification, it is not meaninglessly so.



Best Wishes



== Bob Yazz ==

-- 

Ever cautious, Motives pure; Safe and effective, Who could demur?

Lead, follow or get out of the way.  Unless, of course, you're the FDA.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: jfrier@slip.net (John Frier)

Date: 24 May 1995 06:23:59 GMT



In article <3pje9l$1ngd@troy.la.locus.com>,

   yazz@lccsd.sd.locus.com (Bob Yazz) wrote:



|>Peter McNamara <pMcNamara@usenet-news> wrote:

|>

|>| I saw a TV show explaining that love was deeply related to dopamine

|>| receptors too ; perhaps someone could explain us the difference between

|>| endorphine and dopamine, related to love ?

|>

|>Well, it's not fully clear.  In fact, I'm not even sure that endorphins

|>have that much to do with the "in love" feeling, or that they're good

|>for you.



If I am not mistaken, the "in-love" feeling comes from phenylethylamide (PEA).

It's also found in chocolate...   It probably evolved as a biomechanism in 

primates to enhance parental bonding long enough to provide adequately for 

their newborn during the critical first few years--and thus increase the 

species overall chances for survival.



Endorphin release probably evolved as a survival mechanism to control pain 

>from  running from, or being injured by, wild animals or other primates.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: jfoster@iadfw.net (John Foster)

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 16:17:46 GMT



bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller) wrote:



>Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

>and vigorous exercise. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SEX!

John Foster 

AdVance Companies

1504 Jasmine Lane

Suite A

Plano, Texas 75074-5263



Tel: (214) 423-4690

Fax: (214) 424-5268



E-Mail:  jfoster@iadfw.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: oatstraw@twain.oit.umass.edu (ROBIN F HOWARD)

Date: 17 May 1995 15:14:05 GMT



John Foster (jfoster@iadfw.net) wrote:

: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller) wrote:



: >Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

: >and vigorous exercise. 

: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

: SEX!



Chocolate!



Robin





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 13 May 1995 13:50:24 GMT



Please advise via E Mail of effective methods to release endorphins

besides vigorous exercise and humor.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 23 May 1995 11:52:28 GMT



Please advise of effective methods to release endorphins besides

humor,pain,sex,hot peppers and general exercise. Am interested mainly

in specific exercise routines,amino acids and dietary supplements and

anything else that has been found effective in releasing endorphins.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release Endorphins

From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu

Date: 28 May 95 22:00:40 -0600



> But melatonin is the chemical responsible for giving your skin a

> tan in response to exposure to sunlight.

 

No, that's melanin.

 

David A. Nye MD (nyeda@uwec.edu) * Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire, WI

One out of four American children under the age of six now lives in

poverty.  Nearly 1.5 million of them are malnourished -- Census Bureau





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Soapmaking

From: cris@america.com (Cris Enterprises, Inc.)

Date: 6 May 1995 03:10:04 GMT



Hi,



Recently someone posted an article concerning soapmaking.  I would greatly

appreciate it if I could find out where one could find out how to make

homemade soap.  Please e-mail  cris@america.com.



Thanks!  Christie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Soapmaking

From: Robert Eason <robte@aef.vt.com>

Date: 7 May 1995 04:40:44 GMT



cris@america.com (Cris Enterprises, Inc.) wrote:

>

> Hi,

> 

> Recently someone posted an article concerning soapmaking.  I would greatly

> appreciate it if I could find out where one could find out how to make

> homemade soap.  Please e-mail  

> 

> 

   ME TOO EMAIL Me at

                                Robte@aef.vt.com

                                                thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Soapmaking

From: taliesin@primenet.com (Taliesin)

Date: 7 May 1995 08:51:13 GMT



Robert Eason (robte@aef.vt.com) wrote:

-> cris@america.com (Cris Enterprises, Inc.) wrote:

-> >

-> > Hi,

-> > 

-> > Recently someone posted an article concerning soapmaking.  I would greatly

-> > appreciate it if I could find out where one could find out how to make

-> > homemade soap.  Please e-mail  

-> > 

-> > 

->    ME TOO EMAIL Me at

->                              Robte@aef.vt.com

->                                              thanks



Don't just e-mail it!  Post it!

--

                               .



                               .

                     /^\     .

                /\   "V"

               /__\   I      O  o

              //..\\  I     .           The Goddess is alive

              \].`[/  I                 and Magick is afoot.

              /l\/j\  (]    .  O

             /. ~~ ,\/I          .      taliesin@primenet.com

             \\L__j^\/I       o

              \/--v}  I     o   .

              |    |  I   _________

              |    |  I c(`       ')o

              |    l  I   \.     ,/      

            _/j  L l\_!  _//^---^\\_

         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: cris@america.com

Subject: Re: Soapmaking

From: Cathy <Cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 8 May 1995 02:14:05 GMT



Cris, here is a response I received when I made the same inquiry you did. 

 Let me know your experiences in making herbal soap.  I haven't tried 

yet.



8-)



Cathy



Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:56:14 -0400

From: EWhiteVHP@aol.com

Message-Id: <950412135518_80758606@aol.com>

To: Julie.Z.Chamay@williams.edu, clefevre@tcd.net

Subject: Re: Herbal soap



I haven't found a newsgroup for soapmaking and I'm new to computers and don't

have the foggiest idea how to begin one. If you know or discover an internet

place for soapmakers to meet, be sure to let me know. I have a great time

with the soapmakers at AOL. Also, feel free to share this information with

anyone you wish. It's about 6 pages (printed) of soapmaking instructions and

a shameless plug for my book. Hope you enjoy. These are the same instructions

available from America Online's library.

Elaine

-------------------------------------------------------

Soapmaking: Basic instructions, suppliers and recipes

( 6 pages, printed )

So, you want to make soap? Good! I'll try my best to tell you how. I'm Elaine

White, author of "Soap Recipes: Seventy tried-and-true ways to make modern

soap with herbs, beeswax and vegetable oils" These instructions are very

condensed and cannot possibly contain the details included in "Soap Recipes."

Nonetheless, I believe you will have a good overview after you read these

instructions. Once you learn basic safety precautions, soapmaking procedures

and termonology, you will be able to make soap from any recipe. The outline

for these instructions is:

A) Safety precautions in handling lye, lye/water and fresh soap

B) The equipment list

C) The procedure of combining ingredients and molding soap

D) Soapmaking suppliers

E) Soap recipes

Once you read these instructions and if possible, join the soapmakers at

America Online. Go to "The Exchange" click on "Crafts and sewing" then "other

crafts" and you will find "soapmaking." AOL gives me free time online to help

soapmakers and I often join the discussions. I am glad to help you in any

way.

---------------------------------------------------

A) Locating lye and safety precautions in handling it.

(The following may frighten you, but I promise that thousands of people make

soap everyday without mishap. You need to know all the dangers present in

order to avoid trouble. If you can get past the following warnings--you are

destined to make soap!)

Look where drain cleaners are sold and buy 100% lye (Red Devil is one brand).

Don't bother looking at liquid drain cleaners and don't try Draino (it

contains metal). If you aren't sure the product is 100% lye, then order lye

from a soapmaking or chemical supplier (addresses listed). Most good soap

recipes list lye by weight for accuracy: lye in granular form (drain cleaner)

measures differently than lye in flake form (the form of lye from chemical

suppliers). Scales are a necessary part of sucessful soapmaking and allows

you to use any type of lye. Lye can be nasty if handled improperly. Lye

(sodium hydroxide) is also known as caustic soda. Upon opening a container of

lye, the lye crystals absorb water from the air, which can weaken the

strength of the lye and cause it to form a solid lump. When not in use, keep

lye closely capped. Lye reacts with some metals: iron, aluminum, zinc, and

tin. Safe containers include heatproof stoneware, glass, enamel, stainless

steel and plastic. Lye can be fatal if swallowed. Always keep it out of the

hands of children. Lye can remove paint. If lye, lye/water or freshly-made

soap splatters onto a painted surface, wipe it off immediately. Wash the area

with water and detergent; wash it with clear water, then wipe it dry. Lye,

lye/water and freshly-made soap can burn and irritate skin. Burns from lye

are not instantaneous. It takes awhile for lye to irritate skin. Chances are

you will notice if lye splashes on you. You'll notice itching before burning.

Lye/water on skin is first noticed by a slippery feeling. Rinse your hands

with vinegar and immediately rinse them with running water. Since lye can

burn skin, you can imagine what it does to eyes. It's difficult to rinse your

eyes while they're burning and you can't see. This painful and dangerous

situation in entirely avoidable. Always wear eye protection! You may wonder

why anyone wants to bathe with soap that contains something as harsh as lye.

Well, the good news is that soap is *made* with lye, but soap doesn't

*contain* lye. Lye reacts with fats, crating roughly three molecules soap and

one molecule glycerin. The lye is no longer presnet--only great soap and

glycerin.

-------------------------------------------------

B) The equipment list

# one 4-to-6 cup mixing container made of lye-resistant material

  (I use a stainless steel mixing bowl)

# one heatproof container that holds at least 2 cups

  (I use a Pyrex measuring cup)

# stainess steel, plastic or wooden spoon or a rubber spatula

# two thermometers made of glass or stainless steel

  (candy and meat thermometers work well)

# eye protection (wear sunglasses if you have to!)

# rubber gloves (optional)

# scale to weight the fats and lye

# soap molds (any flexible plastic container works well)

# a clock with a second hand or other type timer

# wire whisk (optional)

# pot holders or oven mitts

# measuring spoons

----------------------------------------------------

C) The procedure

1) Put the fats in a lye-resistant container and place a glass or stainless

steel thermometer into the fats. Be sure the thermometer doesn't touch the

bottom of the container and give a false reading. Heat the fats and optional

ingredients to the temperature specified in the recipe.

2) Put on eye protection and rubber gloves.

3) Dissolve the lye in cold water and wait for it to reach the temperature

specified in the recipe. Use a heat-proof container to measure the amount of

cold water (70 to 75 degrees F) specified in the recipe. Cold water is

important. If you add lye to hot or boiling water, the water could "boil-up"

out of the container; if you add lye to *really* cold water, the lye/water

might not reach the high temperatures required to make some recipes. Stir the

water and slowly add the lye. The water will get hot and turn cloudy.

Continue to stir until the lye dissolves. Don't breathe or intentionally

smell the fumes coming from the cup because they are uite "chokey." If you

wait too long to stir the water, the lye could harden in the bottom of the

container. This is not a problem. You can still sitr it, but it will be more

difficult. Add a glass or stainless steel thermometer to the lye/water and

wait until it reaches the temperature specified in the recipe.

4) When both the fat and the lye/water reach the temperature specified in the

recipe, add the lye/water to the fat. I's sometimes a balancing act to get

the fat mixture and the lye/water mxiture to specific temperatures at the

same time. Never place lye/water in a microwave (the cup could break). It

takes lye/water longer to cool than it takes fat to heat. Most soapmakers

wait for the lye/water to cool to about five degrees above the desired

temperature, then heat the fat. When both the lye/water and the fat are within

 five degrees of the temperatures specified in the recipe, use a pot holder

and move the bowl to a sink (to contain splatters). Slowly pour the lye/water

into the fats while stirring.

5) Stir the soap until it "traces." When lye, water and fat first combine,

the mixture is thin and watery. Gradually, as the lye and fat react chemically

 to form soap, the mixture thickens and turns opaque. "Tracing" is a term to

describe the consistency (thickness) of soap when it's ready to pour into

molds. To test for tracing: 

 a. Drip some soap onto the surface of the soap in the stirring bowl. It

should leave a "trace" or small mound.

 b. Draw a line in the soap with a spoon or rubber spatula. If a "trace" of

the line remains for a few seconds, the soap has traced.

Tracing is easy to recognize, yet it causes new soapmakers a lot of worry.

Relax and know that the soap will trace eventually. Just stir the soap

constantly for the first 15 minutes or so, then stir the soap every fifteen

minutes until it thickens and traces.

6) After the soap traces, add up to one tablespoon essential oil (if desired)

and stir a few minutes longer to incorporate the oil.

7) Pour the soap into molds and wait for it to harden.

8) Unmold the soap, Soap is still harsh when it's time to remove it from the

 molds. Put on rubber gloves and press the back of each mold compartment to

release the soap. It's a lot like removing ice cubes from a tray. Sometimes

the soap doesn't release easily from the mold. To overcome this problem,

leave the soap in a freezer for a few hours. Freezing soap causes it to

contract slightly, becom hard and release from the plastic mold.

9) Wait the time specified in a recipe for the soap to "age." (usually 3

weeks). During the aging time the pH of the soap decreased (the soap becomes

mild) and the bars harden. It's a good idea to write the following

information on a piece of paper and place it with the soap: the date you made

the soap, the date the aging time is over, and the recipe name.

10) Step 10 is *enjoy your soap!*

As soap ages, a fine, white powder may appear on the surface. This is soda

ash (sodium carbonate) formed by a reaction of lye with carbon dioxide in

air. This white powder is mostly on the surface exposed to air while the soap

was in the molds. Soap that contains wax develops little or no soda ash.

There are three ways to deal with soda ash: 

 a. Try to prevent it. Immediately after pouring soap into molds, cover the

soap with plastic wrap or waxed paper. Press the wrap or paper onto the

surface of the soap to prevent air contact.

 b. Cut it away. Overfill the molds slightly. Later, when the soap hardens,

take a knife and cut the soap level with the mold. This also cuts away the

soda ash.

 c. Wash it away. Wait until the soap ages and hardens. Wash the powder away

by rubbing the soap with your hands under running water or by rubbing the

soap over a wet dishcloth. Set the soap aside to dry----then, *enjoy your

soap!*

-----------------------------------------------------

D. Soapmaker's supply list



Barker's Enterprises, Inc.

15106 10th Ave SW

Seattle WA 98166

Telephone: 206-244-1870

retail/wholesale: waxes, molds and candle dye (which works for soap)



Chem Lab Supplies

1060 Ortega Way, Unit C

Placentia CA 92670

Telephone 714 630-7902

Fax  714-630-3553

retail: pH kits, electronic scales, lye



Hagenow Laboratories, Inc.

1302 Washington St

Manitowoc WI 54220

No telephone, correspond by mail and request catalog

lye, waxes, clays, essential oils, thermometers and pH kits



Liberty Natural Products

8120 SE Stark St

Portland OR 97215

1-800-289-8427

$50 minimum order retail/wholesale same price

essential oils, soapmaking fats, herbs, clays, etc.



K & W Popcorn

710 E 24th St

Trenton MO 64683

Telephone 816-359-2030

retail only: coconut oil 5 gallons (will ship)



Lorann Oils

4518 Aurelius Rd

Lansing MI 48909

Telephone 1-800-248-1302

retail/wholesale: essential oils, fats, candy molds, waxes



Pourette Soapmaking Supplies

6910 Roosevelt Way NE

Seattle WA 98115

Telephone 206-525-4488

retail/wholesale molds, dye, wax (request *soapmaking* price list as it's

different than their regular catalog, which contains candle molds)



Sunfeather Soapmaking Supply

HCR 84 Box 60-A

Potsdam NY 13676

Telephone 315-265-3648

retail only: lye, fats, soap fragrance

-----------------------------------------------------

E) Now, the moment you've been waiting for--the recipes!

copyright 1995 in "Soap Recipes" by Elaine C. White

All rights reserved. All ounces (oz) are determined by weight.

Lye is "sodium hydroxide" granular or flake form.



Pure Soap

16 oz coconut oil

 2.8 oz lye 

1 cup water

Fat and lye/water temperature about 120 degrees F

Time in molds: 48 hours

Age: 3 weeks



Soap II

6 oz coconut oil

6 oz olive oil

5 oz vegetable shortening

2.6 oz lye

1 cup water

Fat and lye/water temperature about 120 degrees F

Time in molds: 48 hours

Age: 4 weeks



Soap III

9 oz vegetable shortening

4 oz coconut oil

3 oz lard

2.4 oz lye

3/4 cup water

Fat and lye/water temperature about 120 degrees F

Time in molds: 24 hours

Age: 3 weeks



Soap IV

10 oz vegetable shortening

 6 oz coconut oil

2.4 oz lye

Fat and lye/temperature about 120 degrees F

Time in molds: 48 hours

Age: 4 weeks



Soap V & VI

16 oz lard or beef tallow

2.3 oz lye

3/4 cup water

Fat and lye/water temperature about 120 degrees F

Time in molds: 24 hours

Age: 3 weeks



Soap VII

Beeswax Castile 

13 oz weight olive oil

 2 oz beeswax

 1 oz palm oil

2.1 oz lye

1 cup water

(melt the beeswax with the fats)

Fat and lye/water temperature about 150 degrees F

Tracing time: about 12 minutes FAST!

Time in molds: 48 hours

Place the soap in a freezer for 3 hours, then remove it from the molds

Age: 6 to 8 weeks for the bars to harden



Beeswax Soap VIII

(follow directions at "Soap VII)

16 oz weight olive oil

 2 oz weight beeswax

2.2 oz weight lye

1 cup water

--------------------------------------------------------

I really hope you feel confident enought to prepare your first batch of soap.

Good luck and happy lathering.

Best regards,

Elaine C. White

--------------------------------------------------------

These instructions are based on a book:"Soap Recipes:

Seventy tried-and-true ways to make modern soap with herbs, beeswax and

vegetable oils" by Elaine C. White will be available through bookstores June,

1995, available now from the publisher.

International Standard Book Number 0-9637539-5-9

Distributor Baker & Taylor



The book is available now from:

Valley Hills Press

1864 Ridgeland Drive

Starkville MS 39759 USA

$23.95 US funds includes price and shipping to US and Canada

$28.95 US funds includes price and Air Mail shipping to other countries

1-800-323-7102 Visa/Master Cards accepted 

Toll-free number good in US only, other countries call 601-323-7100 (This is

a voice line and fax.)

Valley Hills Press specializes in honey and beeswax products. They will send

a free brochure about this book and other products: MS Beekeepers Honey

Cookbook, soapmaking kit, mead/honey wine kit, "Super Formulas" (book tells

how to make 360 useful products that contain honey and beeswax). 

end





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Soapmaking

From: r-egg@tamu.edu (Richard Egg)

Date: Mon, 08 May 1995 17:20:44 -0600



In article <3oepac$6rl@enterprise.america.com>, cris@america.com (Cris

Enterprises, Inc.) wrote:



> Recently someone posted an article concerning soapmaking.  I would greatly

> appreciate it if I could find out where one could find out how to make

> homemade soap.  Please e-mail  cris@america.com.

> 

> Thanks!  Christie



Several years ago, Reader's Digest published a book called "Back to

Basics" that had  a section on soap making. I think it's still available

in bookstores.



Richard



-- 

Richard Egg

  r-egg@tamu.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Soapmaking

From: jmoffi@uoguelph.ca (Joshua H Moffi)

Date: 9 May 1995 01:38:31 GMT



: > Recently someone posted an article concerning soapmaking.  I would greatly

: > appreciate it if I could find out where one could find out how to make

: > homemade soap.  Please e-mail  cris@america.com.

: > 

: > Thanks!  Christie



	Me too please!  jmoffi@uoguelph.ca

	TIA!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Soapmaking

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Tue, 9 May 95 15:36:00 EST



I've recently launched a small press company which has several publications

available pertaining to the use of herbs.  One of my booklets not only gives

the procedure and recipes for various soaps, but includes dozens of recipes

for making many cosmetics/toiletries.  If you're interested in this

publication (or would like a list of other titles) let me know.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Soapmaking

From: tlshay@aol.com (TLSHAY)

Date: 10 May 1995 14:00:34 -0400



Sure,  mind mailing me the Titles list you have.



Also, are you interested in knowing about the 100 percent Cocoa Butter I

have available for soapmakers, etc.?  If you do, let me know and I'll

Email you the particulars, as well.  You can also list me as a source for

Cocoa Butter in your books, if you so desire.



Also, here's an Email address for another woman who recently released a

book all about soapmaking. By all means, tell her I told you about her.



Email to :  ewhitevhp@aol.com



Kindest Regards,



Terry





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Soapmaking

From: vdavis@netins.net

Date: 17 May 1995 16:09:41 GMT



In article <ALFOHE.F23A@kotl.uu.ids.net>, karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net writes:

>I've recently launched a small press company which has several publications

>available pertaining to the use of herbs.  One of my booklets not only gives

>the procedure and recipes for various soaps, but includes dozens of recipes

>for making many cosmetics/toiletries.  If you're interested in this

>publication (or would like a list of other titles) let me know.



Please send me info on ordering your booklets either e-mail vdavis@netins.net

or by mail : Donna Davis

             4119 340th street

             Emmetsburg, IA  50536



thanks--also, Ive just moved here and there isn't a source for herbs for miles

so if you know where i can order them let me know.      





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Soapmaking

From: tlshay@aol.com (TLSHAY)

Date: 17 May 1995 15:15:38 -0400



Perhaps you might want to list me as a source for 100 percent Cocoa Butter

in your books on soapmaking and cosmetics/lotions.  I have it available,

with minimum orders of 1 Lb. - great for lots of uses.



Let me know if you'd like to include it, and I'll send you my snail mail

address

for publication.



Kindest Regards,



Terry    tlshay@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Soapmaking

From: molly.lee@teor.com (Molly Lee)

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 06:54:00 GMT





J*From: jmoffi@uoguelph.ca (Joshua H Moffi)

J*: > Recently someone posted an article concerning soapmaking.  I would greatl

J*: > appreciate it if I could find out where one could find out how to make

J*: > homemade soap.  Please e-mail  cris@america.com.



And me too please.  E-mail  molly.lee@teor.com



   - -

  ( - )   molly.lee@teor.com

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  QMPro 1.53  This is MY tagline and you can't have it.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: Re: Arnica Montana

From: endorasguy@aol.com (EndorasGuy)

Date: 5 May 1995 23:26:00 -0400



>>>Message-ID: <3o3r3r$16v@news.cais.com>



DO any of you know what Arnica Montana is used for? It is a very tiny 

white pill that you place nder your tongue.



kathy<<<



Sounds like you've got a homeopathic preparation of arnica, which is used

most commonly to treat bruises, sore muscles, and injury from

overexertion.



E.G.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Arnica Montana

From: Peter Marshall <pete@invivo.demon.co.uk>

Date: 6 May 1995 15:12:49 +0100



-- 

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| Pete Marshall    EMail pete@invivo.demon.co.uk |

--------------------------------------------------

        

        Arnica Montana is a homeopathic remedy used to reduce bruising. It's 

really very good, the ointment is even better!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Arnica Montana

From: kathjokl@aol.com (Kathjokl)

Date: 11 May 1995 00:15:10 -0400



Arnica montana is a plant.  It is not a pill nor a homeopathic remedy.  It

can be made into a homepathic remedy which can be spray-dried and applied

to sugar to create a pill or it can be sold in liquid form.  It can also

be made into a salve or liniment, a tincture, or an extract.  The plant is

native to Europe.  Common name is arnica, botanical name (genus and

species) is Arnica montana.  The flower heads are most often used,

sometimes the root is used as well.  It is considered anti-inflammatory

and vulnery (wound healing).  It is not generally considered safe for

internal consumption (except as a homeopathic remedy) and is used

externally to treat bruises, sprains, sore muscles and any inflamed or

painful condition as long as the skin is unbroken.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: kathjokl@aol.com

Subject: Re: Arnica Montana

From: Chud <jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com>

Date: 14 May 1995 08:05:37 GMT



k

>and vulnery (wound healing).  It is not generally considered safe for

>internal consumption (except as a homeopathic remedy) and is used

>externally to treat bruises, sprains, sore muscles and any inflamed or

>painful condition as long as the skin is unbroken.



Hi Kathy,



	I read your note on arnica and just had to post and mail on this.  I

became aware of arnica's medicinal properties shortly after I started inline

skating.  A friend of mine that works at a health food store told me about it

after numerous bruises and fracture(OK, so I am not the greatest skater in the

world)  Anyway just wanted to let you and everyone else know that this stuff

works great for me and I highly recommend it's use.

-- 

					Laterness,

					Jim 

jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com

* All flames are cheerfully ignored!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: treatment for hemmoroids?

From: mccraigh@aol.com (McCraigh)

Date: 5 May 1995 23:49:23 -0400



Does anyone know of any herbal treatments for hemmoroids?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: treatment for hemmoroids?

From: jdland@pic.net ( Jodelle Landers)

Date: 11 May 1995 02:37:51 GMT



In article <3oerk3$8oh@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mccraigh@aol.com (McCraigh)

wrote:



> Does anyone know of any herbal treatments for hemmoroids?



Filet an aloe leaf and make sure you cut off all the green skin and any

yellow mucous substance.  That should leave only a clear gel.  Cut it up

in the shape of a suppository and freeze it until it is easy to handle. 

Use it as you would any other suppository.  It works great!  Be sure you

have aloe barbadensis or one of the other medicinal aloes.  Any leftover

gel will remain potent for a week or two.



Good Luck, Jody



P.S.  If the problem involves external hemmoroids, rub the gel on the site

as often as possible.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: treatment for hemmoroids?

From: sweetmlk@aol.com (Sweet Mlk)

Date: 15 May 1995 16:27:22 -0400



Don't nuts add to constipation?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Here's a charlie horse solution but need help for aching legs

From: dolphin1@america.com

Date: 6 May 1995 05:20:05 GMT



Greetings all,



If anyone gets leg cramps [charlie horse] or foot cramps, I've found that

quinine sulfate [generic quinamm] 260 mg does the trick.  However, I still

have aching legs and was wondering if anybody out there has a herbal cure

for it? I don't want to take the various pain pills on the market.



Appreciate  any help.



Cheers,  JULY





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Here's a charlie horse solution but need help for aching legs

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 7 May 1995 15:56:44 -0700



dolphin1@america.com wrote:

: Greetings all,



: If anyone gets leg cramps [charlie horse] or foot cramps, I've found that

: quinine sulfate [generic quinamm] 260 mg does the trick.  However, I still

: have aching legs and was wondering if anybody out there has a herbal cure

: for it? I don't want to take the various pain pills on the market.



: Appreciate  any help.



: Cheers,  JULY



_Earl Mindell's Herb Bible_ recommends these solutions for muscle cramps:



Eucalyptus liniment 

Angelica extract (use externally)

Turmeric

White willow bark (aspirin with buffering agents *grin*)



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: dolphin1@america.com

Subject: Re: Here's a charlie horse solution but need help for aching legs

From: Cathy <Cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 8 May 1995 02:18:10 GMT



I got painful leg cramps when I was pregnant.  My mother - bless her soul 

- taught me a simple trick to use on painful calf cramps.  Just extend 

your heel so it is lower than your toe.  Really push.  It stretches those 

cramping muscles and relieve the cramp.  Always worked for me!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Cathy@tcd.net

Subject: Re: Here's a charlie horse solution but need help for aching legs

From: Paul Anacker <anackerp@rain.org>

Date: 8 May 1995 09:47:58 GMT



Cathy <Cathy@tcd.net> wrote: 

>I got painful leg cramps when I was pregnant.  My mother - bless her soul  

>- taught me a simple trick to use on painful calf cramps.  Just extend  

>your heel so it is lower than your toe.  Really push.  It stretches those  

>cramping muscles and relieve the cramp.  Always worked for me! 

> 

Actually this works because of the opposing musculature of the body.  For 

example, for your bicep to contract your tricep must relax.  So, if you 

have a cramp in your calf, hook your toes under something, or put the heel 

of your other foot on top of the toes, and then try to pull your toes up. 

You'll find that the calf muscles will relax.  Sometimes it helps to keep 

your whole leg straight when doing this.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Here's a charlie horse solution but need help for aching legs

From: janetm@online1.magnus1.com (Janet Morrissey)

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 14:45:45 GMT





Years ago someone suggested that I take Dolomite for leg cramps and

aches.  Apparently, for some people they are caused by a deficiency

of Calcium and Magnesium.



The ones I take have 158.3 mg. of calcium and 75 mg. of magnesium in

each tablet.  I take one a day, and rarely have leg problems now (maybe

once or twice a year).  If a cramp does occur, I take four of the 

tablets. 



Cheers,

Janet Morrissey

 +---------------------------@--------------------------------------------+

 | Janet Morrissey           @ It is only with the heart that one can see |

 | "Mostly Harmless"         @ rightly. What is essential is invisible to | 

 | janetm@online.magnus1.com @ the eye.                                   |

 |                           @                        - 'Le Petit Prince' |

 +---------------------------@--------------------------------------------+





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: dolphin1@america.com

Subject: Re: Here's a charlie horse solution but need help for aching legs

From: Paul Anacker <anackerp@rain.org>

Date: 8 May 1995 09:43:15 GMT



dolphin1@america.com wrote: 

> 

>If anyone gets leg cramps [charlie horse] or foot cramps, I've found that 

>quinine sulfate [generic quinamm] 260 mg does the trick.  However, I still 

>have aching legs and was wondering if anybody out there has a herbal cure 

>for it? I don't want to take the various pain pills on the market. 

> 

Try taking Vit E along with the QS.  Also, make sure you're eating foods 

rich in potassium.  Hope this helps.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Here's a charlie horse solution but need help for aching legs

From: lholder@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Lori M. Holder-Webb)

Date: 8 May 1995 16:04:35 GMT



In article <3of0u5$b2f@enterprise.america.com> dolphin1@america.com writes:

However, I still have aching legs and was wondering if anybody out there 

has a herbal cure

>for it? I don't want to take the various pain pills on the market.



I've found that my legs ache when I have a calcium and/or potassium 

deficiency. Have you tried a multi-vitamin? (maybe just eat more bananas...)

LHW





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Here's a charlie horse solution but need help for aching legs

From: pcrawfor@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Patrick Crawford)

Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 16:15:59



In article <3olfej$9vi@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> lholder@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Lori M. Holder-Webb) writes:

>From: lholder@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Lori M. Holder-Webb)

>Subject: Re: Here's a charlie horse solution but need help for aching legs

>Date: 8 May 1995 16:04:35 GMT



>In article <3of0u5$b2f@enterprise.america.com> dolphin1@america.com writes:



>I've found that my legs ache when I have a calcium and/or potassium 

>deficiency. Have you tried a multi-vitamin? (maybe just eat more bananas...)



I spend most of my work day on may feet and used to have problems with both 

aching legs and leg cramps, especially at night.  I didn't find that calcium 

alone helped, but a combination of calcium and magnesium has essentially 

eliminated the problem.



Pat



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pcrawfor@bud.peinet.pe.ca                               Charlottetown, PEI

phone:(902)894-8095(home)                               Canada   C1A 6L9

      (902)894-8553(work)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Here's a charlie horse solution but need help for aching legs

From: Frank Thompson <afn25124@freenet.ufl.edu>

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 23:12:13 -0400







To anyone who has a problem with blood platelets should not take any quinine 

products.



Franco T





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Here's a charlie horse solution but need help for aching legs

From: tcumminsrn@aol.com (Tcumminsrn)

Date: 14 May 1995 16:01:16 -0400



I take Quinine at bedtime as well.  However, I feel my aching legs come

>from  Estrogen.  Would appreciate you posting any information you get on

leg pain herbal remedies.  I need it too.!!



Good luck!!!



Teresa, RN  :-)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tagates lucidia

From: LCXJ03A@prodigy.com (Andrea Funke)

Date: 6 May 1995 17:32:48 GMT



     I've grown two varieties of T. lucidia, one from Ark. and one from 

Ca. The variety from the Ark source is aromatic but not psychoactive and 

also an inferior (I mean less vigourus and productive, having smaller 

thin leaves). The one from Ca on the other hand is mildly psychotropic. T.

 lucidia is important in Mexican religious ceremonies and has been mixed 

with tobacco for "psychoactive effects." It is good to mix with tobacco 

like American Spirit to be smoked. It produces a mild effect and imparts 

a nice licorice flavor. One may also put the fresh herb into A.S. tobacco 

to moisten the tobacco. Remove the Tagates herb and allow the tobacco to 

redry, this will produce a nice licorice flavored tobacco. The 

psychoactive effect will build up with continued smoking over several 

hours.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GRAPE SEED EXTRACT

From: xdcrlab@quake.net (Mike Davis)

Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 11:43:08 -0800



In article <3nr8b2$jdg@news.rain.org>, dscolvin@rain.org wrote:



 

> "anti-yeast" characteristics, but she insures me it says "grape seed

extract".  Can anyone tell me what 

> grape seed extract is good for? 



Grape seed extract is a good source of proanthocyanidins more commonly

known as pycnogenol.



-- 

Mike Davis))) xdcrlab@quake.net))) Medical Ultrasound Transducers

URL>> http://www.quake.net/~xdcrlab/hp.html 

Alt.Health, Life Ext., other Stuff





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info re cultivating and harvesting Matricaria chamomilia

From: NF_Luxemburg_Hyam@mindlink.bc.ca (Faye Luxemburg Hyam)

Date: Sat, 06 May 95 12:07:10 -0800



Would appreciate info re the cultivation of this herb.  Specifically:



-cultivation techniques

-production per acre/yield per acre

-seed required per acre

-harvesting techniques

-packaging and storing

-any commercial info



Any information or leads to areas that we could access this info would be

very much appreciated.  Many thanks.  Faye Luxemburg Hyam

NF_Luxemburg_Hyam@minklink.bc.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: About kachamai tea

From: robmant@idirect.com (roberto mantillan)

Date: 6 May 95 20:09:13 GMT



LR3N-SKKR@j.asahi-net.or.jp (sakakura,nobuo /

=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOmVBUiEhPy5DSxsoSg==?=) wrote:



>Kachamai



>If someone knows anything about cachamai tea, please let me hear from you.

Cachamai is the brand name for a herbal tea made in Argentina for

about 40 years now.  It comes for different specific uses (diuretic,

laxative, digestive, etc) and always is a mix of several native

argentine herbs, mostly from province of Cordoba.  It's also available

in Canada where I live.  If you need more information e-mail me.

                                            arigato  asahi-san

                                                         roberto





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Soap making

From: cris@america.com (Christine)

Date: 6 May 1995 20:36:43 GMT



Hi,



Sorry to bother this group again, but there was an article on soapmaking

and I did not save it.  Can anyone direct me to the right place?  



Thanks, Christine





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: cris@america.com

Subject: Re: Soap making

From: Cathy <Cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 8 May 1995 02:19:56 GMT



I don't know if this is the article you remember, but it is some recipes 

and instructions I received when I inquired about herbal soapmaking.



Hope this helps.



Cathy



Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:56:14 -0400

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To: Julie.Z.Chamay@williams.edu, clefevre@tcd.net

Subject: Re: Herbal soap



I haven't found a newsgroup for soapmaking and I'm new to computers and don't

have the foggiest idea how to begin one. If you know or discover an internet

place for soapmakers to meet, be sure to let me know. I have a great time

with the soapmakers at AOL. Also, feel free to share this information with

anyone you wish. It's about 6 pages (printed) of soapmaking instructions and

a shameless plug for my book. Hope you enjoy. These are the same instructions

available from America Online's library.

Elaine

-------------------------------------------------------

Soapmaking: Basic instructions, suppliers and recipes

( 6 pages, printed )

So, you want to make soap? Good! I'll try my best to tell you how. I'm Elaine

White, author of "Soap Recipes: Seventy tried-and-true ways to make modern

soap with herbs, beeswax and vegetable oils" These instructions are very

condensed and cannot possibly contain the details included in "Soap Recipes."

Nonetheless, I believe you will have a good overview after you read these

instructions. Once you learn basic safety precautions, soapmaking procedures

and termonology, you will be able to make soap from any recipe. The outline

for these instructions is:

A) Safety precautions in handling lye, lye/water and fresh soap

B) The equipment list

C) The procedure of combining ingredients and molding soap

D) Soapmaking suppliers

E) Soap recipes

Once you read these instructions and if possible, join the soapmakers at

America Online. Go to "The Exchange" click on "Crafts and sewing" then "other

crafts" and you will find "soapmaking." AOL gives me free time online to help

soapmakers and I often join the discussions. I am glad to help you in any

way.

---------------------------------------------------

A) Locating lye and safety precautions in handling it.

(The following may frighten you, but I promise that thousands of people make

soap everyday without mishap. You need to know all the dangers present in

order to avoid trouble. If you can get past the following warnings--you are

destined to make soap!)

Look where drain cleaners are sold and buy 100% lye (Red Devil is one brand).

Don't bother looking at liquid drain cleaners and don't try Draino (it

contains metal). If you aren't sure the product is 100% lye, then order lye

from a soapmaking or chemical supplier (addresses listed). Most good soap

recipes list lye by weight for accuracy: lye in granular form (drain cleaner)

measures differently than lye in flake form (the form of lye from chemical

suppliers). Scales are a necessary part of sucessful soapmaking and allows

you to use any type of lye. Lye can be nasty if handled improperly. Lye

(sodium hydroxide) is also known as caustic soda. Upon opening a container of

lye, the lye crystals absorb water from the air, which can weaken the

strength of the lye and cause it to form a solid lump. When not in use, keep

lye closely capped. Lye reacts with some metals: iron, aluminum, zinc, and

tin. Safe containers include heatproof stoneware, glass, enamel, stainless

steel and plastic. Lye can be fatal if swallowed. Always keep it out of the

hands of children. Lye can remove paint. If lye, lye/water or freshly-made

soap splatters onto a painted surface, wipe it off immediately. Wash the area

with water and detergent; wash it with clear water, then wipe it dry. Lye,

lye/water and freshly-made soap can burn and irritate skin. Burns from lye

are not instantaneous. It takes awhile for lye to irritate skin. Chances are

you will notice if lye splashes on you. You'll notice itching before burning.

Lye/water on skin is first noticed by a slippery feeling. Rinse your hands

with vinegar and immediately rinse them with running water. Since lye can

burn skin, you can imagine what it does to eyes. It's difficult to rinse your

eyes while they're burning and you can't see. This painful and dangerous

situation in entirely avoidable. Always wear eye protection! You may wonder

why anyone wants to bathe with soap that contains something as harsh as lye.

Well, the good news is that soap is *made* with lye, but soap doesn't

*contain* lye. Lye reacts with fats, crating roughly three molecules soap and

one molecule glycerin. The lye is no longer presnet--only great soap and

glycerin.

-------------------------------------------------

B) The equipment list

# one 4-to-6 cup mixing container made of lye-resistant material

  (I use a stainless steel mixing bowl)

# one heatproof container that holds at least 2 cups

  (I use a Pyrex measuring cup)

# stainess steel, plastic or wooden spoon or a rubber spatula

# two thermometers made of glass or stainless steel

  (candy and meat thermometers work well)

# eye protection (wear sunglasses if you have to!)

# rubber gloves (optional)

# scale to weight the fats and lye

# soap molds (any flexible plastic container works well)

# a clock with a second hand or other type timer

# wire whisk (optional)

# pot holders or oven mitts

# measuring spoons

----------------------------------------------------

C) The procedure

1) Put the fats in a lye-resistant container and place a glass or stainless

steel thermometer into the fats. Be sure the thermometer doesn't touch the

bottom of the container and give a false reading. Heat the fats and optional

ingredients to the temperature specified in the recipe.

2) Put on eye protection and rubber gloves.

3) Dissolve the lye in cold water and wait for it to reach the temperature

specified in the recipe. Use a heat-proof container to measure the amount of

cold water (70 to 75 degrees F) specified in the recipe. Cold water is

important. If you add lye to hot or boiling water, the water could "boil-up"

out of the container; if you add lye to *really* cold water, the lye/water

might not reach the high temperatures required to make some recipes. Stir the

water and slowly add the lye. The water will get hot and turn cloudy.

Continue to stir until the lye dissolves. Don't breathe or intentionally

smell the fumes coming from the cup because they are uite "chokey." If you

wait too long to stir the water, the lye could harden in the bottom of the

container. This is not a problem. You can still sitr it, but it will be more

difficult. Add a glass or stainless steel thermometer to the lye/water and

wait until it reaches the temperature specified in the recipe.

4) When both the fat and the lye/water reach the temperature specified in the

recipe, add the lye/water to the fat. I's sometimes a balancing act to get

the fat mixture and the lye/water mxiture to specific temperatures at the

same time. Never place lye/water in a microwave (the cup could break). It

takes lye/water longer to cool than it takes fat to heat. Most soapmakers

wait for the lye/water to cool to about five degrees above the desired

temperature, then heat the fat. When both the lye/water and the fat are within

 five degrees of the temperatures specified in the recipe, use a pot holder

and move the bowl to a sink (to contain splatters). Slowly pour the lye/water

into the fats while stirring.

5) Stir the soap until it "traces." When lye, water and fat first combine,

the mixture is thin and watery. Gradually, as the lye and fat react chemically

 to form soap, the mixture thickens and turns opaque. "Tracing" is a term to

describe the consistency (thickness) of soap when it's ready to pour into

molds. To test for tracing: 

 a. Drip some soap onto the surface of the soap in the stirring bowl. It

should leave a "trace" or small mound.

 b. Draw a line in the soap with a spoon or rubber spatula. If a "trace" of

the line remains for a few seconds, the soap has traced.

Tracing is easy to recognize, yet it causes new soapmakers a lot of worry.

Relax and know that the soap will trace eventually. Just stir the soap

constantly for the first 15 minutes or so, then stir the soap every fifteen

minutes until it thickens and traces.

6) After the soap traces, add up to one tablespoon essential oil (if desired)

and stir a few minutes longer to incorporate the oil.

7) Pour the soap into molds and wait for it to harden.

8) Unmold the soap, Soap is still harsh when it's time to remove it from the

 molds. Put on rubber gloves and press the back of each mold compartment to

release the soap. It's a lot like removing ice cubes from a tray. Sometimes

the soap doesn't release easily from the mold. To overcome this problem,

leave the soap in a freezer for a few hours. Freezing soap causes it to

contract slightly, becom hard and release from the plastic mold.

9) Wait the time specified in a recipe for the soap to "age." (usually 3

weeks). During the aging time the pH of the soap decreased (the soap becomes

mild) and the bars harden. It's a good idea to write the following

information on a piece of paper and place it with the soap: the date you made

the soap, the date the aging time is over, and the recipe name.

10) Step 10 is *enjoy your soap!*

As soap ages, a fine, white powder may appear on the surface. This is soda

ash (sodium carbonate) formed by a reaction of lye with carbon dioxide in

air. This white powder is mostly on the surface exposed to air while the soap

was in the molds. Soap that contains wax develops little or no soda ash.

There are three ways to deal with soda ash: 

 a. Try to prevent it. Immediately after pouring soap into molds, cover the

soap with plastic wrap or waxed paper. Press the wrap or paper onto the

surface of the soap to prevent air contact.

 b. Cut it away. Overfill the molds slightly. Later, when the soap hardens,

take a knife and cut the soap level with the mold. This also cuts away the

soda ash.

 c. Wash it away. Wait until the soap ages and hardens. Wash the powder away

by rubbing the soap with your hands under running water or by rubbing the

soap over a wet dishcloth. Set the soap aside to dry----then, *enjoy your

soap!*

-----------------------------------------------------

D. Soapmaker's supply list



Barker's Enterprises, Inc.

15106 10th Ave SW

Seattle WA 98166

Telephone: 206-244-1870

retail/wholesale: waxes, molds and candle dye (which works for soap)



Chem Lab Supplies

1060 Ortega Way, Unit C

Placentia CA 92670

Telephone 714 630-7902

Fax  714-630-3553

retail: pH kits, electronic scales, lye



Hagenow Laboratories, Inc.

1302 Washington St

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 6 oz coconut oil

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2.3 oz lye

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Time in molds: 24 hours

Age: 3 weeks



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13 oz weight olive oil

 2 oz beeswax

 1 oz palm oil

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Fat and lye/water temperature about 150 degrees F

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Time in molds: 48 hours

Place the soap in a freezer for 3 hours, then remove it from the molds

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 2 oz weight beeswax

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ECLECTICS

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 6 May 1995 16:41:25 -0400



The Eclectics are fairly well described in Barbara Griggs' "Green

Pharmacy", which is a history of herbal medicine in the West (& a great

read, too!). Harris Coulter talks about them in "Divided Legacy", but his

book concentrates on the homeopathic movement more.  National College of

Naturopathic Medicine in Portland is really the spiritual heir of the

Eclectics, and you might want to contact them about material available

through their library or bookstore. Look also for the works of Wade Boyle

- he's a naturopathic doctor whose done some writing on this subject as

well as the Eclectic's methods. Boyle did a great book on hydrotherapy,

but I've lost the publisher's name & I'd really, really appreciate it if

some kind soul would send me that information.



Naturopathic trivia are us!

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ECLECTICS

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti)

Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 17:21:06 AST



On 6 May 1995 16:41:25 -0400,  healingpgs@aol.com writes:



GREAT references....and now for the hunt !



Mucho thanks- t.c.



>The Eclectics are fairly well described in Barbara Griggs' "Green

>Pharmacy", which is a history of herbal medicine in the West (& a great

>read, too!). Harris Coulter talks about them in "Divided Legacy", but his

>book concentrates on the homeopathic movement more.  National College of

>Naturopathic Medicine in Portland is really the spiritual heir of the

>Eclectics, and you might want to contact them about material available

>through their library or bookstore. Look also for the works of Wade Boyle

>- he's a naturopathic doctor whose done some writing on this subject as

>well as the Eclectic's methods. Boyle did a great book on hydrotherapy,

>but I've lost the publisher's name & I'd really, really appreciate it if

>some kind soul would send me that information.

>

>Naturopathic trivia are us!

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore

>e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ECLECTICS

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 7 May 1995 19:36:41 -0400



Quick correction of Jonathan's post:



Energetics of Western Herbs was/is written by Peter Holmes, not Michael

Moore.  Great set of books (the revised volume II is finally out!). Moore,

on the other hand, has written several really marvelous field guides for

herbalism.



Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ECLECTICS

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: 9 May 1995 00:02:41 +0100



In article <3ojli9$ad3@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) wrote:



>Quick correction of Jonathan's post:

>

>Energetics of Western Herbs was/is written by Peter Holmes, not Michael

>Moore.  Great set of books (the revised volume II is finally out!). Moore,

>on the other hand, has written several really marvelous field guides for

>herbalism.

>

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA



Correction to correction - Moore's text is called *Herbal Energetics*; this

is not one of his published field guides



This text is available in Acrobat PDF format by anonymous ftp to SUNsite at

unc. It is not in bookshops. (yet)  



Holmes' (excellent)  text as you say is *The Energetics of Western Herbs* -

my error,  sorry.



jonathan.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ECLECTICS

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon,  8 May 95 12:33:12 PST



In message ID <950502190848.A57113@news.nbnet.nb.ca> on 5/2/95, Tom Cigolotti

<cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:



: On Tue, 2 May 1995 11:21:43 GMT,  jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk writes:

: 

: >the Eclectics,- Ellingwood, Felter and LLoyd, Scudder,

: >Culbreth and so on as well as to a lesser extent the physiomedicalists,

: >Cook, Thurston, etc.

: 

: OK Dr J; -> now you really opened up a can of worms.....yes it's

: fishing season!

: 

: This meagerly described era in the evolution of "medicine" lacks

: information....

: 

: any chance of a little illucidation from someone who apparently knows ??????



Try to get a hold of Roy Upton, an herbalist who at least used-to work for

Planetary Herbology (Michael Tierra's company) in Santa Cruz. He has studied

this historical area with great interest and intensity.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbal course lecturers wanted

From: Jhn wilkinson <100344.12@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 6 May 1995 21:46:42 GMT



For weekend course in herbs and pharmacognosy, to be held in London,

june/july 1995. Topics will include chinese and indian herbal 

medicine, ethnobotany, herb growing, botany and chemistry of 

medicinal plants, edible wild foods and many other topics. 

lectureres in some of these topics are still needed





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal course lecturers wanted

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 13 May 1995 00:17:56 GMT



Jhn wilkinson <100344.12@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>

> For weekend course in herbs and pharmacognosy, to be held in London,

> june/july 1995. Topics will include chinese and indian herbal 

> medicine, ethnobotany, herb growing, botany and chemistry of 

> medicinal plants, edible wild foods and many other topics. 

> lectureres in some of these topics are still needed.



sounds great. see the list of lecturers for the recent Australian herbalists Association

Confrence all were great

Michael

TFG





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help! How to curb binges

From: Preeti Sharma <ps44+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Date: Sat,  6 May 1995 18:03:54 -0400



Hi,



Sometimes I just go ahead and eat everythiong in sight. Are there any

herbs that can help me curb this? I do try to stick to my diet etc, etc,

but right before my periods I tend to eat without thinking.



Thanks

Preeti



ps44+@andrew.cmu.edu

preeti@ri.cmu.edu



"and every hour of every day i'm learning more

the more i learn, the less i know about before

the less i know, the more i want to look around

digging deep for clues on higher ground"

                                        -ub40





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help! How to curb binges

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: 7 May 1995 08:33:41 +0100



In article: <Yjez9_q00VopAFawwj@andrew.cmu.edu>  Preeti Sharma <ps44+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

> 

> 

> Hi,

> 

> Sometimes I just go ahead and eat everythiong in sight. Are there any

> herbs that can help me curb this? I do try to stick to my diet etc, etc,

> but right before my periods I tend to eat without thinking.

> 

> Thanks

> Preeti



Treat the cause, Not the symptoms.



I suggest looking at some aromatherapy or herbs which will balance out or slow down your hormonal 

changes at the onset of your periods.  This in itself will reduce your "Urges to eat".



Valerie Ann Worwoods book "The Fragrant Pharmacy" contains a lots of good blends of essential 

oils to assist in this.



Regards



Graham 



-- 

Graham Sorenson Natures Gifts, Essential Oils

Guide to Aromatherapy URL 

http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help! How to curb binges

From: mhoneth@inforamp.net

Date: 15 May 1995 07:49:30 -0400



In alt.folklore.herbs Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk> said: 

 

 

>In article: <Yjez9_q00VopAFawwj@andrew.cmu.edu>  Preeti Sharma  

><ps44+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: 

>>  

>>  

>> Hi, 

>>  

>> Sometimes I just go ahead and eat everythiong in sight. Are there any 

>> herbs that can help me curb this? I do try to stick to my diet etc, etc,



>> but right before my periods I tend to eat without thinking. 

>>  

>> Thanks 

>> Preeti 

> 

>Treat the cause, Not the symptoms. 

> 

>I suggest looking at some aromatherapy or herbs which will balance out or

slow  

>down your hormonal changes at the onset of your periods.  This in itself

will  

>reduce your "Urges to eat". 

> 

>Valerie Ann Worwoods book "The Fragrant Pharmacy" contains a lots of good 



>blends of essential oils to assist in this. 

> 

>Regards 

> 

>Graham  

> 

> 

>--  

>Graham Sorenson Natures Gifts, Essential Oils 

>Guide to Aromatherapy URL  

>http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html 

> 

 

Hi there.  Bergamot Essential Oil is supposed to be an appetite balancer. 

Haven't tried it for that yet, though.  Good luck.  I have also found with

myself that taking multi-vitamins helps a lot!-- 

Carol @ Michael Honeth 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help! How to curb binges

From: sfrye@interaccess.com (amethyst)

Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 08:14:01



 

>>In article: <Yjez9_q00VopAFawwj@andrew.cmu.edu>  Preeti Sharma  

>><ps44+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: 

>>> Sometimes I just go ahead and eat everythiong in sight. Are there any 

>>> herbs that can help me curb this? I do try to stick to my diet etc, etc,

>>> but right before my periods I tend to eat without thinking. 



I recently started taking 200 mcg of chromium picolinate daily. It seems to 

help me control my cravings, even at that time of the month (OK, OK, it's not 

am herb, but it just might help!).



B*B

Amethyst





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help! How to curb binges

From: John Edwards <bopper@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au>

Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:38:07 +1000



On Wed, 17 May 1995, amethyst wrote:



>  

> >>In article: <Yjez9_q00VopAFawwj@andrew.cmu.edu>  Preeti Sharma  

> >><ps44+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes: 

> >>> Sometimes I just go ahead and eat everythiong in sight. Are there any 

> >>> herbs that can help me curb this? I do try to stick to my diet etc, etc,

> >>> but right before my periods I tend to eat without thinking. 

> 

> I recently started taking 200 mcg of chromium picolinate daily. It seems to 

> help me control my cravings, even at that time of the month (OK, OK, it's not 

> am herb, but it just might help!).

> 

> B*B

> Amethyst

> 

> 

To Amethyst,

I can't offer you any advice on herbs but what struck me as funny is that 

you "name" - Amethyst is a crystal that is used for exactly what you 

are looking for- it helps support self control over nervous or bad 

habits....just a thought!!

You could always try one in conjunction with any other treatment.

Good luck

Jill

Life's what happens while your making other 

plans!		





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: ps44+@andrew.cmu.edu

Subject: Re: Help! How to curb binges

From: Cathy <Cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 8 May 1995 02:08:58 GMT



Part of your problem is hormonal.  I too tend to have an increased 

appetite just before menstruation.  That is the only time of the month I 

actually like to eat chocolate.  Most of the time I don't care for the 

stuff.



I have also struggled with my weight ever since the birth of my second 

child.  I have gone to counseling sessions - which were helpful - and 

tried many diets - most of which weren't very helpful.  One thing I 

learned in a counseling session that was helpful.  If I have a craving I 

tell myself, "If I still want that in 30 minutes then I will eat it."  

Most of the time I have forgotten all about my craving by then.  Another 

thing is to understand the source of the craving, stress; hormones or 

whatever and deal with the cause rather than the symptom.  I realize you 

can't do much about the hormonal fluctuations, neither can I dang it!  

But take comfort in knowing there are others with your problem and we are 

all trying to combat the problem in our own ways.



By the way, appetite suppresents don't work since you aren't really 

hungry.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help! How to curb binges

From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP)

Date: 19 May 1995 15:38:36 -0400



Overeaters Anonymous is a 12-step program like AA. Helps thousands. The

*real* problem is in your head. Try it--it works!

Elaine





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lophophora Williamsii (Peyote)

From: Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 6 May 1995 22:48:53 GMT



David,



Lophophora Williamsii is peyote.  Peyote is illegal in the US and I would 

imagine Canada as well.  Enrolled members of the Native American Church 

are allowed to use it as a sacrament.  It is available in the illicit 

drug trade -- if you are so inclined.



There are several other cactus species which contain mescaline-like 

compounds.  San Pedro is the best known.  It is legal and can be 

purchased in 8 inch or so long "cuttings," assumedly for planting.  I 

believe one source is a company called "Of the jungle..." in Sebastapol, 

CA.  Ask around in alt.drugs.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Prostatitis

From: curbanasjr@aol.com (CUrbanasjr)

Date: 6 May 1995 21:06:54 -0400



Could anyone give me a good herbal remedy for prostatitis(infection of the

prostate gland)?

Thanks!!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Prostatitis

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: 7 May 1995 12:12:02 +0100



In article <3oh6fe$ncp@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

           curbanasjr@aol.com "CUrbanasjr" writes:



> Could anyone give me a good herbal remedy for prostatitis(infection of the

> prostate gland)?

> Thanks!!



Saw Palmetto.



Also suggest newsgroup alt.support.prostate.prostatitis

-- 

David Powner                   Internet: David@filtermx.demon.co.uk

Micronair {Pollution Control}  Phone   :(01782) 565816

1 Blackthorn Place             Fax     :(01782) 565834

Newcastle under Lyme           Data    :(01782) 562213 (24hr BBS to V32)

ST5 7BE          U.K.          Mobile  : 0831 879135





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: collagen disease/lupus

From: maruca@cpcn.com (la madrugadora)

Date: 7 May 1995 01:10:58 GMT



My friend seems to be on the borderline of developing this type of

condition. While blood tests do not show it (yet) there is a family

history.

Complaints: extreme exhaustion, red butterfly mask on her face, painful

joins in hands and wrists. She is diabetic, as well, juvenile onset.

What types of herbs can anyone recommend? The doctors have been of no

use to her so far.

Thanks for your thoughtful replies,

Maruca@cpcn.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help for Enlarged Liver

From: ac505@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Johanna Simpson)

Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 02:18:33 GMT



My friend is suffering from an enlarged liver.  She would like to know

if there is a herb to help this condition.  



Thanks!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chaste tree?

From: Moses David Goldberg <mosesom@wco.com>

Date: 7 May 1995 02:22:22 GMT



Vitex agnes castus had the common name of Monk's Pepper.

The tradition goes that the monks would use this plant as a way

to control their libido.

The plant's berries are used as a hormonal normalizer for female

reproductive hormones.  It normalises the pituitary gland and had a

balancing effect with progesterone.



MOSES



OM



chris@olive.ece.utexas.edu (Chris Griffin) wrote:

>

>  I'm looking for info on the chaste tree, especially medicinal uses,side 

> effects, and growing techniques. Thanks in advance.

>  Joe

> ---------O------------

> 

> Can this tree somehow help with Chastity?   I figure there have to be 

> some herbs out there which are Anti-Aphrodisiacs!

> 

> Chris





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chaste tree?

From: Erin <http://www.xmission.com:80/~smi/>

Date: 9 May 1995 17:34:22 GMT



could this herb also be used for birth control?  Are there any herbs 

that can be used as birth control because I don't believe in taking 

synthetic hormones?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: new newsgroup alt.forsale.herbs

From: chitoq@aol.com (ChitoQ)

Date: 6 May 1995 22:36:00 -0400



Lets do it. How can we start? Who want to start?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: new newsgroup alt.forsale.herbs

From: blas.oddone@connline.com

Date: Wed, 17 May 95 21:22:00 EST





I would like to receive feedback info on creating the new newsgroup

alt.forsale.herbs  As a natural product source from South America I believe

it will provide an afficient marketing method and to contact potential

buyers of botanicals.  Please replay to:

oddone.b@connline.com



Thanks,



Blas





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: new newsgroup alt.forsale.herbs

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 24 May 1995 09:34:40 GMT



blas.oddone@connline.com wrote:

>

> 

> I would like to receive feedback info on creating the new newsgroup

> alt.forsale.herbs  As a natural product source from South America I believe

> it will provide an afficient marketing method and to contact potential

> buyers of botanicals.  Please replay to:

> oddone.b@connline.com

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Blas



I like the idea

MB TFG





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HAIR REGROWTH HERB ?

From: curious@ios.com (Curious)

Date: 7 May 1995 03:18:45 GMT



Anyone know of an herb that would help someone with HAIR LOSS due to 

a chemical burn - used lye as a hair straighter. 



Thanks.



curious@ios.com 



email preferred. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: CHEMICAL BURN ON HAIR , HELP!

From: curious@ios.com (Curious)

Date: 7 May 1995 03:20:25 GMT



Can someone tell me it has been several years...



I used a chemical hair straightener called 'lye'.



It has caused a noticeable hair loss on one side of my scalp.



Any herbs useful ? 



curious@ios.com



email back please. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: re: Plant

From: Moses David Goldberg <mosesom@wco.com>

Date: 7 May 1995 03:24:04 GMT



It seems foolhearty to base any idea of spiritual growth

when one equates the egocentric belief that we are the most superior

beings of creation, and only through our "Highly-Advanced Spiritual

Growth" states of awareness can we reach an even higher level.



This thought is devoid of any real meaning of growth and perpetuates

the old paradigm of cartesian life. This view is grasping for domanant

perceptions but is becoming more clearly as crumbling and unproductive

for the greater WELL BEING of ALL BEINGS.



I just do not understand how one can be 'spiritual' and believe that

the egocentric view of life is a given truth.



So, much from the physiological rap - any thoughts out there

on this one?



MOSES



OM



watrsprite@aol.com (WatrSprite) wrote:

>

> With all due respect for your beliefs, IMO and that of my spiritual

> advisors, there is no spiritual teacher that is not human.  Humans are the

> highest-advanced spiritual beings in this physical plane.  Everything else

> is spiritually un-advanced, at least not as advanced as we are, anyway. 

> You may use a focusing agent (such as a plant) to aid in concentration,

> but all the truths you find will be found by yourself, not by having a

> plant lead you to the discovery.

> 

> "All roads lead to Rome" so it doesn't matter where you're from or how you

> get there, as long as you arrive.

> 

> May the Blessings be...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: re: Plant

From: jim.cranford@insomniac.com

Date: Tue, 9 May 95 13:33:00 MST



>I just do not understand how one can be 'spiritual' and believe that

>the egocentric view of life is a given truth.



Agreed! The human animal has a terminal ego problem.



>> advisors, there is no spiritual teacher that is not human.  Humans are the

>> highest-advanced spiritual beings in this physical plane.  Everything else



Ask the other "spiritual beings" on this Planet and only a couple will class

human beings as "advanced". The systematic destruction of the Planet is

hardly an indication of an "advanced" species.



jim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Candied Ginger

From: jhayward@nyc.pipeline.com (Jeffrey Hayward)

Date: 7 May 1995 06:55:20 -0400



Does anyone have a recipe for candied ginger?? 

Thanks. 

 

Jeff 

-- 

Jeffrey Hayward 

"Life is 100% Fatal" 

jhayward@pipeline.com 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Candied Ginger

From: margaret@opus.temple.edu ()

Date: 11 May 1995 22:03:22 GMT



In article <3oi8uo$611@pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com> jhayward@nyc.pipeline.com (Jeffrey Hayward) writes:

>Does anyone have a recipe for candied ginger?? 

>Thanks. 

> 

>Jeff 

>-- 

>Jeffrey Hayward 

>"Life is 100% Fatal" 

>jhayward@pipeline.com 



If you can't find the recipe here, try soc.culture.korean.

margaret



-- 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Candied Ginger

From: kludge@netcom.com (Scott Dorsey)

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:22:41 GMT



In article <3ou1ja$fcg@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> margaret@opus.eng.temple.edu writes:

>In article <3oi8uo$611@pipe1.nyc.pipeline.com> jhayward@nyc.pipeline.com (Jeffrey Hayward) writes:

>>Does anyone have a recipe for candied ginger?? 

>>Thanks. 

>> 

>

>If you can't find the recipe here, try soc.culture.korean.

>margaret



I remember watching it being made as a kid, but quite frankly, Frontier

Herbs sells crystallized ginger for a lot less than I pay for the fresh

stuff.  So it may just be cheaper to buy it than make it unless you have

a source for a lot of free ginger cheaply.  (And in that case I would

want to talk with you and possibly trade for melons).

--scott

-- 

"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Research

From: Andrew.Montgomery@f56.n105.z1.fidonet.org (Andrew Montgomery)

Date: Sun, 07 May 1995 04:43:00 -0800



Hello,

I'm writing a short story that I hope to have entered in a competition 

in the area, and I was hoping I might get some help from users on this 

sub regarding some names of herbs that might be used in a Fantasy 

genre. I try to use as much realistic plant life, languages, etc, so 

I'm looking for various herbs or combinations that would do the 

following:

 

I'm looking for A: Name of Herb

                B: Where it would grow

                C: Latin Name

 

Herbs in the category of healing, something that would cause someone to 

be in a trance state without harming them, herbs to knock someone out, 

a stun or contact stun, herbs that would help to ease the birthing 

pains, herbs that fall into the category of rarities (unlikely to grow 

except in rare parts of the world)....if you can get back to me about 

this information, I would highly appreciate it.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Growing Culinary Herbs

From: herbgrow@nyc.pipeline.com (Wendy Taylor)

Date: 7 May 1995 10:20:15 -0400



Growing your own fresh culinary herbs can be a delightful 

pastime. You can grow a wide variety in a very small area, 

even if it's just a sunny window sill. They can be grown in 

containers, mixed in with flower or vegetable gardens or you 

can create your own formal or informal herb garden. The 

possibilities are endless. 

 

Most herbs are very forgiving of the mistakes of inexperience 

and some actually do better in poor soil and thrive on neglect. 

The most important factors in growing most culinary herbs is 

that they receive as much sun as possible and are planted in 

well drained soil. They don't like wet feet. :-) 

 

Each herb or group of herbs has its own growing requirements. 

We can send you an informative catalog that includes our most 

popular varieties, their growing habits, sun/shade positioning 

and soil requirements. 

 

The catalog is free and is sent email upon request. It is long 

(25k) but it's designed to be sent in only on email message. 

 

-- 

Wendy                         |Free email herb plant & 

Harbor View Garden Co. |seed catalog available 

herbgrow@pipeline.com 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ...........Marketability of mint and chamomile

From: LVT Harrison <lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk>

Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 16:10:04 +0100



Well i drink chamomile and spearmint tea all the time! Here in UK you 

can buy chamomile and spearmint herbal teabags!! (the ones i use are 

found in tescos!)

 Chamomile is a wonderful all rounder healer anyway, and mints are 

especially good for digestion.

  Rainbow Blessings

   Melissa



On Wed, 3 May 1995, Faye Luxemburg Hyam wrote:



> Is there anyone out there who can send me info on the marketability of mint

> and chamomile?  Some friends are thinking of growing crops of these herbs

> for sale but need more information about where the markets might be or if

> there is a demand for these herbs.  Please post a reply in this group or

> e-mail me directly.  Many thanks.  Faye Luxemburg Hyam

> NF_Luxemburg_Hyam@mindlink.bc.ca

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ...........Marketability of mint and chamomile

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 7 May 1995 15:51:37 -0700



On Wed, 3 May 1995, Faye Luxemburg Hyam wrote:



> Is there anyone out there who can send me info on the marketability of mint

> and chamomile?  Some friends are thinking of growing crops of these herbs

> for sale but need more information about where the markets might be or if

> there is a demand for these herbs.  Please post a reply in this group or

> e-mail me directly.  Many thanks.  Faye Luxemburg Hyam

> NF_Luxemburg_Hyam@mindlink.bc.ca

 

Depends on the type of mint.  Spearmint/chamomile and peppermint/chamomile

blends are currently available in the US through the Celestial Seasonings

tea company under the names of Sleepytime and Grandma's Tummy Mint,       

respectively.  Both are wonderful antinausea/antigas and sedative teas.

Maybe a wintergreen variety?  I don't know how it'd taste... or maybe a

catnip/chamomile blend...  Of course, if it's just the straight herbs you

want to sell, I'm afraid it's a rather competitive market (at least in the

States... where might you be, madam?).



-j

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Book by John Lust

From: fu622@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimberly A. Huff)

Date: 7 May 1995 16:10:21 GMT



In a previous article, apmf@aol.com (APMF) says:



>referring to my tattered copy of _The Herb Book_ by John Lust, and haven't

>yet found another reference I like as well.  Many times I've wanted to

>give it to friends, but eventually learned that it's out of print.  If you



By now, you've probably seen all the posts that tel you it's still in

print. <G> However I'd like to say that I've found Michael Tierra's book

"The Way of Herbs" to be an excellant reference book. He co-authored a book

with John Lust entitled "The Home Remedy Bible" (I beleive that's the name,

I don't have a copy. Tierra has history, dosages, chemical constituents and

warnings among other things in his book.



Daphne 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lady's Mantle, Edible? Or Not

From: Eric Brewer <ebrewer@science.smith.edu>

Date: 7 May 1995 16:21:45 GMT



Hello,



      I have a question for all you gardening experts (probably everyone 

but me). I read in one place that Lady's Mantle was edible. I haven't 

been able to find it anywhere else. I wanted to know if anyone knew 

whether or not it really is edible. I would rather not poison myself for 

no reason.



                               DNBrewer@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lady's Mantle, Edible? Or Not

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: 7 May 1995 23:58:41 +0100



In article <3ois2p$elb@sylvia.smith.edu>

           ebrewer@science.smith.edu "Eric Brewer" writes:



>       I have a question for all you gardening experts (probably everyone 

> but me). I read in one place that Lady's Mantle was edible. I haven't 

> been able to find it anywhere else. I wanted to know if anyone knew 

> whether or not it really is edible. I would rather not poison myself for 

> no reason.



Can't imagine why you (might) want to eat it....



It's recommended for treating diarrhoea - also heavy menstruation.



It's occasionally used to improve the appetite.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lady's Mantle, Edible? Or Not

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 7 May 1995 16:08:06 -0700



Eric Brewer (ebrewer@science.smith.edu) wrote:

: Hello,



:       I have a question for all you gardening experts (probably everyone 

: but me). I read in one place that Lady's Mantle was edible. I haven't 

: been able to find it anywhere else. I wanted to know if anyone knew 

: whether or not it really is edible. I would rather not poison myself for 

: no reason.



:                                DNBrewer@aol.com



A prudent question.  According to _Earl Mindell's Herb Bible_, lady's

mantle ishighly prized by Arab women.  It is used topically to stop

bleeding, and, taken internally, regulates menstruation in women and

stimulates the appetite.  



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lady's Mantle, Edible? Or Not

From: sctshlassy@aol.com (SctshLassy)

Date: 7 May 1995 20:05:49 -0400



According to the Readers Digest Home Handbook of Herbs, Lady's Mantle is

edible.  It's culinary use is basically in salads, where the young leaves

are torn into small pieces.  The medicinal use for the leaves are as a

decoction for a compress for healing wounds and reducing inflamation and

the whole pland it used as an infusion to be used as a mouth rinse after

tooth extraction and for diarrhea.  Supposedly it may regulate periods,

ease menopause and clear inflammations of the female organs.



Hope that helps,



Elisanne MacHardy Mead





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dry Skin and Shedding Hair - Need Herbal RX cream/lotion

From: hydrox@wolfe.net (Steve)

Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 09:38:08 -7



My wife is from the tropics and since coming to cold seattle is having 

problems with dry skin and "shedding" hair.  She's 33 and healthy but we're 

overwhelmed by the number of "conditioners" and "facial lotions" on the 

market, many of which appear to be harsh chemicals once you get to the third 

or fourth ingredient.  She has a dark complection and long, straight black 

hair.  We could sure use advice for both a 1. Hair /Scalp Conditioner

                                           2. Skin Moisturizer/Conditioner.





                                        Thanks;  Steve & Leela



        





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dry Skin and Shedding Hair - Need Herbal RX cream/lotion

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: 7 May 1995 19:43:36 +0100



In article: <3oit2i$mbb@news1.wolfe.net>  hydrox@wolfe.net (Steve) writes:

> 

> My wife is from the tropics and since coming to cold seattle is having 

> problems with dry skin and "shedding" hair.  She's 33 and healthy but we're 

> overwhelmed by the number of "conditioners" and "facial lotions" on the 

> market, many of which appear to be harsh chemicals once you get to the third 

> or fourth ingredient.  She has a dark complection and long, straight black 

> hair.  We could sure use advice for both a 



First check the water in your area.  I know it can be a little expensive but try washing with 

only bottled water for a while, Or Distill and filter your own tap water.



1. Hair /Scalp Conditioner



A couple of drops of Bay and Rosewood essential oils in the final rinse of a hair wash should 

help.  _AND_ use the mildest shampoo available to stop the harsh cleaners in most shampoos form 

stripping the natural oils from the scalp and hair.



2. Skin Moisturizer/Conditioner.



Try this.  A blend of the essential oils of Neroli (Orange blossom); evening primrose; 

sandlewood; 3 drops of each in one tablespoon of sweet almond carrier/base oil.



Massage into the affected areas, and enjoy..



Lovely



Regards



Graham

-- 

Graham Sorenson Natures Gifts, Essential Oils

Guide to Aromatherapy URL 

http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng

From: rtla007@aol.com (Rtla007)

Date: 7 May 1995 16:11:03 -0400



I've read that there are some significant differences between Siberian,

Chinese and American forms of Ginseng. Anyone have any insights on this?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 7 May 1995 16:15:58 -0700



Rtla007 (rtla007@aol.com) wrote:

: I've read that there are some significant differences between Siberian,

: Chinese and American forms of Ginseng. Anyone have any insights on this?



Quite significant; they're different plants.  Chinese ginseng is _panax_

_ginseng_, and is the most powerful of the three.  American ginseng is

_panax_quinquefolius_, and is often prescribed by Chinese herbalists when

the P.ginseng kick is not necessary.  Siberian ginseng is 

_eleutherococcus_senticosus_, and is very popular with Russian athletes.

It has many of the same attributes as its panax relatives.



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng

From: Tom Wallace <tomwa@jsb.com>

Date: 8 May 1995 22:35:05 GMT



rtla007@aol.com (Rtla007) wrote:

>

> I've read that there are some significant differences between Siberian,

> Chinese and American forms of Ginseng. Anyone have any insights on this?



Use American Ginseng in teh warmer summer months, and Chinese (or 

Korean or whatever in the winter, cooler months.



Siberian Ginseng is a nice tonic, but isn't really Ginseng at all.

None of the research on regular Ginseng applies to Siberian Ginseng.



Peace and good health,



Tom





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng

From: paul.maser@megasystem.com (Paul Maser)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 06:16:00 -0800



RT>I've read that there are some significant differences between Siberian,

  >Chinese and American forms of Ginseng. Anyone have any insights on this?

I'll post an interesting response I saved:



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In my practice I am quite fond of the ginsengs.  The aralia family contains a

number of plants which have similar constituents and similar functions.  These

include panax ginseng (asian ginsing), panax cinquefolium, aralia racemosa &

californica (spikenard, calif. spikenard), oplopanax horridum aka echinopanax

horridum (known to northwesterners as devils club), aralia spinosa (known to

easterners as devils walking stick), and eleutherococcus senticosus aka

acanthopanax (known in the herb trade as 'siberian ginseng').



These plants all share a common group of glycosides generally termed

araliosides, or panaxosides.  These constituents when ingested have a stress

modifying effect.  They appear to work on the limbic system, which is the

emotional center of the brain, at the center of which is the hypothalmus gland.

 The hypothalmus rightly deserves to be called the 'master gland' since it

tells many other glands, including the pituitary, what to do.  The hypothalmus

recieves information from all over the body, it even tastes the blood.  Based

on it's perception of the state of the body, the hypothalmus orders changes to

be made.  This is similar to a chef tasting and correcting his sauces.



Aralia plants have a balancing effect on the hypothalmus.  The tend to reduce

it's over reactions to stress.  For example, the aralias help get shorter more

efficient surges of cortisol, a glucosteroid hormone involved in stress

response.  The overall effect is to be balancing, stabilizing, enhancing, or to

use a popular but vague term, adaptogenic.



I don't mean to suggest that all aralia family plants are used interchangably.

Each has it's own characteristics.  The cured red asian ginsengs I tend to

avoid.  They are very warm, even strident in their energy.  Good for very

mopey, cold, depressed people perhaps, but not very suitable as a regular tonic

herb.  The white american ginseng is an excellent choice as a general tonic.

It enhances my experience of life.  With good american ginseng i find food

tastes better, I'm more alert and vital during the day, and sleep better at

night, my sensations are clearer and more defined.  It too is a bit stimulant

and may upset the balance of older folks who have rigid daily rituals and

habits which they enjoy.  These folks might be shaken up to much by american

ginseng, as might individuals persuing an acetic spiritual path.  These people

may do better on siberian ginseng which has a more neutral energy while being

high in the stress modifying araliosides.  The spikenards are generally too

acrid and rasty for uses as hypothalamics (unless you happen upon the ripe

berries in the the fall) they are used more for the type of moist coughs and

respiratory ailments that those who live in cold, damp climates are especially

prone to.  Spikenard is a warm, acrid, and resinous expectorant of great value.

 Last but not least is oplopanax horridum or `devil`s club` which grows in the

north west.  The root of this plant is sweet, a bit acrid, and has a complex

oomph to it.  Fellow herbalists are having sucess with it as a remedy for the

hyperglycemia associated with adult onset insulin resistent diabetes.  Michael

Moore in his excellent new book "Medicinal Plants of the Pacific West" (1993,

Red Crane Press, Santa Fe) says that it works best for stocky mezomorphs with

elevated blood fats, and perhaps hypertension.  It seems to decrease lust for

sugar as well as bringing down elevated serum glucose levels.



So much more could be said about this wonderful family of medicinal plants.

Many uses exist which I have not elaborated.  Nor did I mention prefered forms

for use.  But I hope I have contributed to an underderstanding of these

important herbs.



newt.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 13 May 95 16:54:55 PST



In message ID <3om6ap$4at@kane.ico.net> on 5/8/95, Tom Wallace <tomwa@jsb.com>

wrote:



: rtla007@aol.com (Rtla007) wrote:

: >

: > I've read that there are some significant differences between Siberian,

: > Chinese and American forms of Ginseng. Anyone have any insights on this?

: 

: Use American Ginseng in teh warmer summer months, and Chinese (or 

: Korean or whatever in the winter, cooler months.

: 

: Siberian Ginseng is a nice tonic, but isn't really Ginseng at all.

: None of the research on regular Ginseng applies to Siberian Ginseng.

: 

: Peace and good health,

: 

: Tom



It is true that Eleuthero ginseng ('Siberian') is not from the same genus as

-Panax Ginseng-, but in fact MOST of the research on 'regular' ginseng applies

to Eleuthero. They are both proven 'adaptogens' (help the body resist stress,

especially temperature stress). While I consider -Panax ginseng- one of the

world's great plants (and Eleuthero a less important plant), it doesn't cover

the bases to claim that they aren't nearly equivalent for some uses. In the same

way, the herbal most commonly substituted for ginseng in traditional formulas,

Dang Shen (Codonopsis), does in fact mimic ginseng's digestion boosting effect

(provided the amount is increased about 4-fold). But Codonopsis does NOT

duplicate ginseng's property of Nourishing Source Qi, the energy that men store

below their navels and women store in their wombs. When that Qi is full, illness

is highly improbable.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dandruff

From: rtla007@aol.com (Rtla007)

Date: 7 May 1995 16:38:09 -0400



I have chronic dandruff (it seemed to ease up a bit after I switched to a

metless diet about 5 months ago, but seemed to kick right back in stronger

than ever when I stopped eating avocado sandwiches to lower my fat

intake).



Any insights on whther I should up the fat level of my diet or try

something topical? I've recently read that nettles are excellent for

dandruff.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dandruff

From: mhoneth@inforamp.net

Date: 15 May 1995 07:37:26 -0400



In alt.folklore.herbs rtla007@aol.com (Rtla007) said: 

 

 

>I have chronic dandruff (it seemed to ease up a bit after I switched to a 



>metless diet about 5 months ago, but seemed to kick right back in stronger

than  

>ever when I stopped eating avocado sandwiches to lower my fat intake). 

> 

>Any insights on whther I should up the fat level of my diet or try

something  

>topical? I've recently read that nettles are excellent for dandruff. 

 

 

 

Hey - sounds like you have a cure already.  If avodado works for you - eat

it!  Wish I could find a cure like that. 

 

Carol @ Michael Honeth 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dandruff

From: kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

Date: 20 May 1995 16:11:43 GMT





for dandruff, try adding about 10 drops each of the following

essential oils to your shampoo: Tea tree, Patchouli, cedar,

Rosemary, peppermint.  You can also try making a hair rinse

with cider vinegar and Quassia chips.  i used to have terrible

dandruff and these methods have worked for me, as well a for

many of my clients.

Bright Blessings,

Kamala

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rasberry Tea Leaves for PMS

From: flyinggoat@aol.com (Flyinggoat)

Date: 7 May 1995 17:36:23 -0400



>Raspberry tea does work to

>releive many of the symptoms of PMS (especially cramps!!).



As I understand it, the stuff you want is RED RASPBERRY LEAF tea, which is

slightly more specific than you've been discussing.  Supposedly this is

stronger in whatever stops the cramps.  I take an extract of this in a cup

of hot juice (I don't like the taste of the extract, which is prepared

with STRONG alcohol which the hot juice helps evaporate quickly).  If I

take it once, morning and night, at the start of a period, the cramps are

noticably weaker.  I find I don't have to live on aspirin if I remember to

take some.



Betty Cunningham(Flyinggoat@aol.com)

illustrator, animator, and likes to collect dead things





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rasberry Tea Leaves for PMS

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 7 May 1995 16:01:43 -0700



Flyinggoat (flyinggoat@aol.com) wrote:

: As I understand it, the stuff you want is RED RASPBERRY LEAF tea, which is

: slightly more specific than you've been discussing.  Supposedly this is

: stronger in whatever stops the cramps.  I take an extract of this in a cup

: of hot juice (I don't like the taste of the extract, which is prepared

: with STRONG alcohol which the hot juice helps evaporate quickly).  If I

: take it once, morning and night, at the start of a period, the cramps are

: noticably weaker.  I find I don't have to live on aspirin if I remember to

: take some.



Brewing the leaves of raspberries, blackberries, or strawberries has been

used for centuries as a female tonic.  It helps tone the uterus and keep

it in good shape.  It is excellent for PMS cramps, and is often taken by

pregnant women during the last month or two of pregnancy (ONLY!) to prepare

the womb for delivery.  It eases delivery pains and helps the uterus to 

return to its normal size much more quickly than without.



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rasberry Tea Leaves for PMS

From: amaranc@aol.com (AMaranc)

Date: 11 May 1995 21:33:44 -0400



hey, i work for a small herb comp. and some of the things we recommend are

cramp bark,black haw, roman chammile, and maybe some petasites or jamaica

dogwood for some real painful cramps. but raspberry  will both  tone  and

relax  the pelvic and uterine muscles and is filled with  vitamins and

minerals, great when your prego. Rosemary Gladstar has a great book with

lots of useful info, Herbal Healing for women. good luck!  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: drug detox

From: zignorp@tuna.hooked.net (Wendy Bardsley)

Date: 7 May 1995 16:17:52 -0700



I am looking for herbs and nutritional aids,vitamins,etc., to help with

methadone detox.  Please e-mail me if you've had any experience with this,

or if you know anywhere else on the internet that has information on this

subject.  Thanks in advance!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: drug detox

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 9 May 1995 03:15:42 GMT



On Sun. May  7, 1995, zignorp@tuna.hooked.net told All:

 

 zhn> I am looking for herbs and nutritional aids,vitamins,etc., to help

    > with methadone detox.  Please e-mail me if you've had any experience

    > with this, or if you know anywhere else on the internet that has

    > information on this subject.  Thanks in advance!

 

There is a commercial pharmaceutical nutritional additive called

Neurecover which replaces those vitamins and aminos (neurotranmistter

precursors) depleted by substance abuse. It was listed in the PDR in 1993

under this name, and in 1992 and earlier under the previous name SAAVE+.

The company name at that time was Matrix Technology. It wasn't listed in

1994. It may be in the 1995 -- I haven't looked. The company name has

changed, but not the product name. There are two versions: Neurecover SA

for stimulant abuse and Neurecover (can't recall the two letter suffix)

for alcohol/sedative abuse. It is listed as an OTC preparation, so you

should be able to purchase it. I have used the SA version to reduce my 2

pot a day coffee tolerance to 2 cups a day, within two days of use. We

have used it at the facility I work at for many years. In my three years

there, I have seen much easier withdrawal in those that take it than in

those that decide not to. A similar vitamin preparation for

alcohol/sedative abuse withdrawal is Vicon Forte. It has more B-6 and B-12

in it, primarily for alcohol damage.

 

A local addictionologist that teaches at Eastern Virginia Medical School

claims that these do nothing that a well balanced three-meal-a-day diet

can't do. He's now our medical director and doesn't prescribe these.

 

As for alternative herbal preparations, the discomfort & sleep disturbance

may be helped by kava, valerian, hops, passiflora, scullcap, vervain,

catnip, hawthorne and feverfew. Frequent soakings in hot baths are also

helpful. Many junkies swear by orange juice for some reason. And a nurse

practitioner I know with many years experience in detox says the best way

to get over methadone is to switch back to heroin -- the withdrawal is no

harder and is much, much shorter. Many junkies I've known concur with

this.

 

 * 2qwk! 1.26b3 * I don't know about your brain, but mine is really...

bossy.



--

dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: drug detox

From: scjoseph@aol.com (SCJOSEPH)

Date: 9 May 1995 13:37:56 -0400



Greetings --



Dennis MacClain wrote:



>As for alternative herbal preparations, the discomfort & sleep

disturbance may >be helped by kava, valerian, hops, passiflora, scullcap,

vervain, catnip, >hawthorne and feverfew.



I would only add one thing -- people who are addicted to drugs sometimes

are addicted to alcohol as well.  If this is the case, make sure you get

alcohol-free tinctitures.



Peace,



SCJ

Sister Carol Joseph

SCJoseph@aol.com



Emancipate yourself from mental slavery -- none but ourselves can free our

minds.  ---Bob Marley.  In Jah Love.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: drug detox

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 10 May 1995 06:32:32 GMT



On Tue. May  9, 1995, scjoseph@aol.com told All:

 

 sc> Greetings --

 

 sc> Dennis MacClain wrote:

 

>As for alternative herbal preparations, the discomfort & sleep

 sc> disturbance may >be helped by kava, valerian, hops, passiflora,

   > scullcap, vervain, catnip, >hawthorne and feverfew.

 

 sc> I would only add one thing -- people who are addicted to drugs

   > sometimes are addicted to alcohol as well.  If this is the case, make

   > sure you get alcohol-free tinctitures.

 

 sc> Peace,

 

 sc> SCJ

   > Sister Carol Joseph

   > SCJoseph@aol.com

 

<audible forehead smack>

 

Of course. I got so caught up in the alternative, I forgot the major

paradigm. Although the amount in a tintcure is very small, it can be

enough to trigger a craving response, even when alcohol is not the main

problem.

 

Thanks.

 

 * 2qwk! 1.26b3 * Every time I think I know where it's at, they move it.



--

dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ...........Marketability of mint and chamomiley

From: NF_Luxemburg_Hyam@mindlink.bc.ca (Faye Luxemburg Hyam)

Date: Sun, 07 May 95 16:16:06 -0800



Thanks for your response.  We're in Vancouver, B.C. Canada but will do our

growing in Drumheller Alberta.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ...........Marketability of mint and chamomiley

From: seaseal@aol.com (SEA SEAL)

Date: 19 May 1995 14:43:15 -0400



I have been trying to grow catmint in baskets to sell to cat owners, but

this mint doesn't grow well for me in containers. How are you planning to

grow your mints and chamomile? Say heloo to BC for me. I grew up in

Washington and miss you very much!

seaseal@aol.com or cmills@jafar.hartnell.cc.ca.us



The digital convergence is almost here. Get ready!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: NEEM Super Herb ?.

From: JOHN HOUGHTON <john@hough.demon.co.uk>

Date: 8 May 1995 01:42:50 +0100



[Attached File: C:\DEMON\SPOOL\MAIL\ALT!FOLK.TXT Size: 701]

Hi everybody.



I am very interested in obtaining any info or remedies of the NEEM tree.

It has been used in INDIA for over 2000 yrs & takes pride of place in most

villages throughout the continent where a multi million Rupee NEEM industry

has blossomed.

I understand it`s used in soap & creams for skin care, for parasites internal

& external, animal husbandry & as a Super "Green" insectacide to name a few.

This last property is very exiting as it could rid us of these nasty pestacides

Apparently it is only deadly to insects affecting there ability to moult.



Any info gratefully recieved, Thank you.



Post here I`m sure everyone will be interested.

 

-- 

JOHN HOUGHTON



 [End Attached File]



-- 

JOHN HOUGHTON





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for leg cramps

From: Sharon Saroff <sindara@moose.erie.net>

Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 21:49:23 -0400



What herbs do you recommend for leg cramps?  I usually get them in the 

morning before waking up.  



Sharon





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for leg cramps

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: 8 May 1995 13:40:26 +0100



In article: <Pine.LNX.3.91.950507214739.29414C-100000@moose.erie.net>  Sharon Saroff 

<sindara@moose.erie.net> writes:

> 

> 

> What herbs do you recommend for leg cramps?  I usually get them in the 

> morning before waking up. 



I had cramps in the back of the calf muscles.  My chiropracter told me to eat lots of 

fresh parsley, it worked..



Regards



Graham

--

Graham Sorenson Natures Gifts, Essential Oils

Guide to Aromatherapy URL 

http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: vonbrundz@aol.com

Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING

From: Cathy <Cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 8 May 1995 01:56:12 GMT



How interesting that this "virus" is still about.  This one first cropped 

up over a year ago and caused a small stir then.  It has recently 

resurfaced.  I heard about it about two weeks ago through my work.  I am 

a Computer Specialist.  The computer newsgroups I access frequently say 

this virus is a hoax.  There is no way a virus can be transmitted through 

e-mail.



A virus is transmitted through an executable file, such as a program or 

batch file, not through e-mail.  Last year this threat was studied by one 

of the subgroups reporting to the NCSA - sorry I don't remember which 

one.  I probably still have the report somewhere though.



It was very thoughtful of you to share your information, your intentions 

were good.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: vonbrundz@aol.com

Subject: Re: VIRUS WARNING

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:32:08 PST



In message ID <3od6kj$p16@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 5/5/95, VON BRUNDZ

<vonbrundz@aol.com> wrote:



: I hope this gets to everyone.  I received this message this morning and

: want to get it to as many as possible.  It sounds real nasty.  Donna



The 'Good Times' virus is a HOAX. There is no evidence that it exists. This kind

of notice does NOT belong in this newsgroup in any case.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ecinacea and AIDS

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 8 May 1995 02:42:39 GMT



On Fri. May  5, 1995, mmcclen@direct.Ca told All:

 

 mC> I understand that Ecinacea is not recommended for those dealing with

   > impaired immune systems due to HIV.



Could anyone tell me why? 

It seems an obvious choice?

Michael TFG





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ecinacea and AIDS

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 11 May 1995 00:28:49 GMT



Adam Van Wirdum (adamtfg@ozemail.com.au) wrote:

: On Fri. May  5, 1995, mmcclen@direct.Ca told All:

:  

:  mC> I understand that Ecinacea is not recommended for those dealing with

:    > impaired immune systems due to HIV.



: Could anyone tell me why? 

: It seems an obvious choice?



I don't think there's an 'official' recommendation out there, since 

echinacea has never been studied in HIV.  In test tubes and in rats, 

echinacea increases the activity of macrophages and certain lymphocytes 

like the natural killer cells.  The objection to echinacea in HIV is 

hypothetical: since it is the macrophages that pass the HIV to the CD4s 

(and other cells it now looks like), increasing their activity *might* 

cause HIV infection to progress more rapidly.  Again, this is 

theoretical, and we don't even know if echinacea works in humans the same 

way it does in test tubes.  It may have no benefit at all, a small 

benefit or be adverse.  



Some people with CFS have reported anecdotally that echniacea worsened 

their fatigue.  This isn't too surprising, since echinacea elevates 

certain cytokines (immune stimulating chemicals) that are linked to CFS 

fatigue.  It might or might not have the same effect in folks with HIV, 

particularly the ones entering the symptomatic stage where fatigue can be 

a real problem.  On the other hand, by stimulating NK cells, it might 

ward off some cancers, since NK (natural killer cells) are the backbone 

of the body's immune defense against cancer.  Since people with HIV are 

at strong risk of lymphoma, this is another thing to think about.



The bottom line: you pays your money and you takes your chances.

Hope this is of some help.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ecinacea and AIDS

From: bodacia@aol.com (Bodacia)

Date: 11 May 1995 00:23:13 -0400



Echinacea is particularly effective in treating short-term, acute

infections.  Since AIDS is a chronic illness, echinacea is not the best

choice.



Pau D'Arco and Chaparral are probably better choices for immune boosting

when dealing with on-going illness.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ecinacea and AIDS

From: "David N. Smith" <david.smith@cbr.for.csiro.au>

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 00:30:32 GMT



Since the virus that causes AIDS, HIV, infects T lymphocytes which are

 part of the immune system, anything that stimulates an immune reponse

 involving proliferation T lymphocytes will probably result in more

 virus being produced. And this will probably lead to exacerbation or

 or earlier onset of the symptoms. Echinacea is reported to stimulate

 the T lymphocytes and so it may not be a good idea to give it to AIDS

 patients.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pennywort?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun,  7 May 95 20:16:38 PST



In message ID <3o3p3m$aot@crl11.crl.com> on 5/1/95, Jennifer B. Jakiel

<jakiel@crl.com> wrote:



: Might it be pennyroyal, perchance?

: 

: Recommended in _Earl Mindell's Herb Bible_ for coughs and colds, and

: for relief of PMS.  Historically used to induce abortion, but not

: recommended due to incidents of severe hemorrhaging and other 

: complications.  Pennyroyal oil makes an excellent insect repellent

: for  pets.

: 

: -j



Doubt it. Pennywort is probably like duckweed, an aquatic plant with round

leaves. The southern Chinese drink a variety of odd plants as Cooling

Detoxificants during the summer, since they live in a very hot, malarial

climate. It wouldn't be a very appropriate drink in the U.S., outside of the

South.



Pennyroyal tastes pretty bad. Doubt if even sugar would make it taste OK.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pennywort?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon,  8 May 95 23:02:23 PST



In message ID <ntlor-0305950937070001@ip163.tus.primenet.com> on 5/3/95, Narise

Rust <ntlor@primenet.com> wrote:



:              In "Herbs and Herbalism" ed. Malcolm Stuart  , a Indian

: Pennywort(hydrocotyle asiatica) is listed .   Under the uses heading

: "  diruretic; tonic; purgative. Used in India and Africa for "blood

: purifying" purposes in venereal conditions and TB. The active

: principle, asiaticoside, appears to exert a direct effect on the

: bacteriun (mycobacterium leprae) involved in leprosy (possibly by

: dissolving the protective waxy coat around the bacterium) and also

: assists in scar healing - for which purpose it is used in ointments.

: Also formerly used in fevers, rheumatism and gastric complaints,

: including dysentery. There is some evidence it may act as a general tonic."

:         "contra-indications- POISONOUS. Large doses narcotic,

: producing vertigo and possibly coma."                               

:   Sharon Rust



_Hydrocotyle asiatica_ is Gotu kola, the most famous herbal in all of India. It

is not poisonous. 



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info on KAVA KAVA

From: Co-Q@ix.netcom.com (Jarvell Jardey)

Date: 8 May 1995 06:47:29 GMT



Can someone enlighten me as to what this herb KAVA KAVA is used for???





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Info on KAVA KAVA

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 9 May 1995 03:14:55 GMT



On Mon. May  8, 1995, Co-Q@ix.netcom.com told All:

 

 CQnc> Can someone enlighten me as to what this herb KAVA KAVA is used

     > for???

 

It is a common Pacifica region recreational and ceremonial tea. It has

mild sedative and tranquilizing properties. Its western medicine

equivalent would probably be anxiolytics. Kava extract has been used as a

relaxant for electroshock therapy. Some users report more vivid dreaming.

 

 * 2qwk! 1.26b3 * What is a rebel?  A man who says no. - Albert Camus

 



--

dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Info on KAVA KAVA

From: jet@cinenet.net (Jet Silverman)

Date: 9 May 1995 07:01:15 GMT



Jarvell Jardey (Co-Q@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: Can someone enlighten me as to what this herb KAVA KAVA is used for???



I use it as a tea before bedtime to produce vivid dreams.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Info on KAVA KAVA

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti)

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 16:43:13 AST



On 9 May 1995 07:01:15 GMT,  jet@cinenet.net writes:



try eating a little something sometime after drinking-> will put you out like

a light.



A French research org has done a lot of research on it ORSTROM.



t.c.



>

>Jarvell Jardey (Co-Q@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

>: Can someone enlighten me as to what this herb KAVA KAVA is used for???

>

>I use it as a tea before bedtime to produce vivid dreams.

>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info on KAVA KAVA

From: moreta@prostar.com (Moreta)

Date: 10 May 95 19:42:29 PDT



Depending on the information gotten, and for what the root is used for, 

there are different uses, KavaKava use to be made into a intoxicating 

beverage in the south pacific from what I have read, sort of drawn out 

process of having to chew the root spitting it into a bowl till I guess you 

have enough, fermenting it then drinking it.. seems that it has to be 

chewed in order to activate the substances that cause it to become 

intocixating other than the fermentation. (like the alcohol from the 

fermentation isn't enough hehe ;> ) Also I have read that it was used to 

induce dream states.. its been awhile since I read up on it for this 

purpose.. Anyway....... 



 Medicinally, its usually used for pain relief, from arthritis, and as a 

seditive for nervouseness and for treating insomnia. Its also an anti 

spasmodic, diuretic, and used as a tonic and used for its antiseptic 

properties. 



Mo





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: endocrine system

From: Vicky Lee Santiesteban <vls0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>

Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 09:49:24 -0500



To all those who responded to my question concerning the endocrine system:



Thank you for your concern and advice.  For two years, I've felt like a 

bad car, you know the type that you keep adjusting, oil changes, better 

gas, etc., when _I_ knew there was something base about my complaints.  

Oftentimes, medical problems (_all_ problems, controversies, I think) are 

"solved" by using what I like to call the "bandaid approach."  Treat 

everything on the surface, but it's the infection that needs attention.  

I've put up with physicians prescribing anti-depressants, suggesting 

pregnancy as a means to relieve my complaints (good grief, imagine that!) 

and one psychologist telling me that she just couldn't help me unless I 

would resign myself to taking lithium.  One message on this news group, 

and I get some answers.  And they're all the same:  have your thyroid 

checked.  I'm picking up a referral this afternoon and then heading for 

the lab.  Perhaps I should be hoping that I don't have a thyroid problem

and I suppose if I don't, I'll come back here for more answers.  Those 

who responded to my questions were so caring and informative...call me 

silly, but this experience has given me new faith in people.  Thanks again.



Vicky





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: catalogs

From: spw203@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Pat Welsh)

Date: 8 May 1995 15:29:14 GMT



Catalogs I've received recently:



Health Center for Better Living, Inc.

6189 Taylor Rd.

Naples, FL 33942

(813) 566-2611



Home Health: Official Supplier of Edgar Cayce Products for Health, Beauty, & Wellness

949 Seahawk Circle

Virginia Beach, VA 23452

(800) 284-9123



Swanson Health Products: Your Warehouse Direct Supplier

1318 39th St. NW

Box 2803

Fargo, ND 58108

(800) 726-7691





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: catalogs

From: CEJB20A@prodigy.com (Tracie Clark)

Date: 10 May 1995 12:50:08 GMT



anyone out there with information on obtaining glassware and bottles for 

preserving herbs.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: catalogs

From: joanne@eskimo.com (JoAnne Bassett)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 15:31:45 GMT





 Tracie Clark (CEJB20A@prodigy.com) wrote:

: anyone out there with information on obtaining glassware and bottles for 

: preserving herbs.



-- 

JoAnne Bassett                          Aromatherapy grade essential oils,

Certified Aromatherapist       >><<     blends, diffusers, floral waters,

joanne@eskimo.com              >><<     natural bodycare products, kits,

http://www.eskimo.com/~joanne  >><<     blending oils, books, etc.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: CEJB20A@prodigy.com

Subject: Re: catalogs

From: "Liberty Natural Products, Inc." <liberty@teleport.com>

Date: 12 May 1995 03:42:58 GMT



We have a variety of glassware.  Call us at 1-800-289-8427 or E-mail

your name, company, type of business, address, phone and we can send

you a free catalog.  Our web page is under construction at 

http:/www.teleport.com/~liberty/  Jim Dierking Liberty Natural Products

wholesale botanical ingredients & natural personal care products.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Richters HerbLetter 95/05/08 16:00 GMT

From: conrad (Conrad Richter)

Date: Mon, 08 May 95 11:39:19 EDT



-----------------------   Richters Herbletter   ------------------------

   Published by:     Richters, Canada's Herb Specialists

                     Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada

   Editor:           Conrad Richter <conrad@richters.com>

   

                     *** Trial issue: feedback welcome ***

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Issue ID: 95/05/08 16:00 GMT             



Content

------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Cancer Breakthrough Sought in Canola  

------------------------------------------------------------------------

   OTTAWA, May 8, Canadian Press -- Canola, a wonder plant of the health-

conscious nineties, might become a new hope in the fight against cancer. 

   A source of low-fat cooking oil, the tiny seed is being studied as an 

inexpensive and relatively painless treatment for the deadly disease. 

   It could reduce the cost of cancer treatment to a fraction of more 

conventional menthods, predicts Maurice Moloney, a molecular biologist at 

the University of Calgary. 

   Mr. Moloney heads a research team that is experimenting with genetically 

engineered canola as an alternative to chemotherapy.  He hopes to produce 

in the simple canola seed a protein that stimulates the growth of antibody-

carrying white blood cells to battle cancerous growths. 



------------------------------------------------------------------------

   Richters Herb Catalogue: 100 pages, colour, over 730 herb plants, 

   seeds, and dried herbs.  Order by email at catalog@richters.com.  

------------------------------------------------------------------------



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need Help for Migraines

From: Teryn Prehm <forrest@best.com>

Date: 8 May 1995 17:11:17 GMT



My mother's 80 year old girlfriend suffers terribly from Migraines. She 

has tried everything. Is there anything out there that works? I told 

her I would try to find something for her.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Help for Migraines

From: John Edwards <bopper@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au>

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:01:13 +1000



Have you tried Aromatherapy? I work with a girl who suffered from 

migraines on a monthly basis and she tried this formula and it has 

worked.. hope it helps!

Chamomile Roman  5 drops          Grapefruit  10 drops

Peppermint       5 drops          Rosemary     3 drops

Dilute essential oils in 60mls of Almond Oil (as it is best for sensitive 

skin) and massage over body on a weekly basis. Can also be massaged 

around hairline during migraine attacks. Good luck.

Jill  Mystic Earth.



Life's what happens while your making other plans!              





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Help for Migraines

From: Marylin.Kraker@BBS.C4Systm.COM (Marylin Kraker)

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 16:43:44 GMT



: Life's what happens while your making other plans!            



Also try taking feverfew, easiest dried in capsules at 1 or more caps per

day. This is taken daily as a preventive, but won't stop a migraine that's

started. 



Check out alt.support.headaches.migraines. A lot of helpful info there.

 

--

Marylin Kraker, user of the C4 Yourself BBS @ c4systm.com

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Help for Migraines

From: fu622@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimberly A. Huff)

Date: 12 May 1995 23:23:16 GMT



Will feverfew work on Migraines if it is in a tincture?



Daphne

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Help for Migraines

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 21 May 1995 01:37:05 GMT



fu622@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimberly A. Huff) wrote:

>

> 

> Will feverfew work on Migraines if it is in a tincture?

> 

> Daphne

Yes. the problem is some Chines tinctures use the wrong plant.

Rember it is a preventative, to be taken dailly. Following info from The Healing garden

may be helfull. please let me know if it cannot be read.

Michael

Headache Migraine

i.Feverfew

 Chewing three leaves a day of this pretty annual daisy is a preventative in 9 out of 10 cases of migraine. Some people get mouth ulcers from chewing the 

with a few drops in water three times a day and increase (or reduce) dosage as you think necessary. Any spiritous alcohol can be used. Arthritis sufferers

i.Lemon Balm

Lemon Balm Tea is helpful for many. A cup of fresh Lemon Balm tea taken daily is said to cure 50% of people who chronically suffer from migraine headaches

 pleasant herbal tea.

Migraine is often a symptom of food allergy, compounded by a hectic and stressful lifestyle. (See also Immune System as herbs that help the immune system 

Fish oils are said to help migraine headaches.

Other Causes of Headaches

Some so called migraine headaches have turned out to be Sinus headaches (see Sinus)



What's the best way of getting rid of headaches?

Stick your head through an un-opened window. 

The pane goes.

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                                N.S.W, Australia

             

                "People who think they can run the earth 

                 should begin with a small garden" 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Help for Migraines

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 14 May 1995 12:26:45 GMT



Feverfew is worth atry as a preventative.

 Usually 1-2 leaves a day are taken every day

See just about any herb book for more detail.

Fresh is best but tinctures (Australian made not Chinese) are OK.

Michael

The Fragrant Garden Australia 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Help for Migraines

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Tue, 9 May 95 15:48:00 EST



Ginger (either eaten fresh daily or in powdered form) is excellent for

migraines!  The Journal of Ethnoparmacology (vol. 29) reported the results

of a research study from the Odense University of Denmark.  A woman who had

suffered migraines for more than 16 years was given 500-600 mg of powdered

ginger mixed with water at the onset of a migraine.  Each time her pain

would disappear within 30 minutes.



Ginseng has anti-histamine and anti-inflammatory qualities and is quite safe

for children as well.  If daily comsumption of ginger doesn't appeal to you,

you can find capsules in a health food store.  For migraine, start out with

2 capsules per day.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Help for Migraines

From: LVT Harrison <lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk>

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 12:49:26 +0100



Hi there!

 I don't know if you are new to the group or not but there has recently 

been a discussion regaerding Feverfew leaves and the alleviation of 

migraines. Really you have to take about a couple a day every day i 

believe and the decrease in the frequency of the migraines , in mnay, 

cases, is remarkable.

 I dont actuallt suffer from migraines myself but i'm sure someone else 

on here can recommend accurate dosages etc...  :-)

  Rainbow Blessings

   Melissa



On 8 May 1995, Teryn Prehm wrote:



> My mother's 80 year old girlfriend suffers terribly from Migraines. She 

> has tried everything. Is there anything out there that works? I told 

> her I would try to find something for her.

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk

Subject: Re: Need Help for Migraines

From: Kay Carnes <carnes@uibrl.brl.uiuc.edu>

Date: 11 May 1995 16:49:02 GMT



My husband and I sell herb plants.  All our customers who buy feverfew 

for migraines are firm believers in the herb.  Most chew a leaf when 

they feel a headache coming on and report relief in about 15 min.  Some 

also make a tea and drink that.  I don't know that any take it daily.  

They all say the leaf tastes nasty but the headache relief is worth it.  

I can't confirm the effectiveness as I don't have migraines but seems to 

be worth a try.  It is easy to grow and will reseed itself so you will 

have it every year.

Kay





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Help for Migraines

From: ()

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 16:11:36 GMT



Kay Carnes <carnes@uibrl.brl.uiuc.edu> wrote:



>My husband and I sell herb plants.  All our customers who buy feverfew 

>for migraines are firm believers in the herb.  Most chew a leaf when 

>they feel a headache coming on and report relief in about 15 min.  Some 

>also make a tea and drink that.  I don't know that any take it daily.  

>They all say the leaf tastes nasty but the headache relief is worth it.  

>I can't confirm the effectiveness as I don't have migraines but seems to 

>be worth a try.  It is easy to grow and will reseed itself so you will 

>have it every year.

>Kay



I know many people who raise it and eat a leaf every other day or so,

usually by putting it on a sandwich with thier lettuce. I made a

tincture of feverfew, hops, valerian and something else (don't

remember) that tasted horrid, but really worked very well. I have it

written down somewhere..





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Help for Migraines

From: janetm@online1.magnus1.com (Janet Morrissey)

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 18:42:28 GMT



Kay Carnes <carnes@uibrl.brl.uiuc.edu> writes:

> My husband and I sell herb plants.  All our customers who buy feverfew 

> for migraines are firm believers in the herb.  Most chew a leaf when 

> they feel a headache coming on and report relief in about 15 min.  Some 

> also make a tea and drink that.  I don't know that any take it daily.  

> They all say the leaf tastes nasty but the headache relief is worth it.  

> I can't confirm the effectiveness as I don't have migraines but seems to 

> be worth a try.  It is easy to grow and will reseed itself so you will 

> have it every year.

> Kay

> 

> 

Oh Boy!  Does it reseed itself.  Last year was the first year I grew it.

I had it in a large container in an area with about 6 other containers.

The container if feverfew is full of new growth, as are all the other

continers.  Full of feverfew, that is.



It is wonderful on headaches, thought.  My husband uses is for really

bad migraines, and, although her complains a lot about the taste, he

keeps taking it because it helps a lot.



Cheers,

Janet Morrissey



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Migraine help needed

From: Teryn Prehm <forrest@best.com>

Date: 8 May 1995 17:13:20 GMT



Does anyone know a cure for migraines? Please help.



Teryn@vhs.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraine help needed

From: pcrawfor@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Patrick Crawford)

Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 16:17:50



In article <3oljfg$fge@news1.best.com> Teryn Prehm <forrest@best.com> writes:

>From: Teryn Prehm <forrest@best.com>

>Subject: Migraine help needed

>Date: 8 May 1995 17:13:20 GMT



>Does anyone know a cure for migraines? Please help.



Try feverfew.  One capsule one to three times daily works for many people.  

However, it often takes a month or so to take full effect.



Pat

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraine help needed

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: 9 May 1995 07:21:40 +0100



In article: <3oljfg$fge@news1.best.com>  Teryn Prehm <forrest@best.com> writes:

> 

> Does anyone know a cure for migraines? Please help.

> 

> Teryn@vhs.com



A small drop of lavender essential oil massaged into  the little dent in the temples (just 

behind the edge of the eye socket) has worked for a few people I know of. Also try Camomile 

Roman, neroli, peppermint, rodemary, grapefruit.  All of these must be diluted in a base oil to 

5%.  



A course of proper aromatherapy massages also can help, especially if the migraines have a stress 

element in their onset.  

>



Graham 

> 

-- 

Graham Sorenson Natures Gifts, Essential Oils

Guide to Aromatherapy URL 

http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraine help needed

From: vdavis@netins.net

Date: 17 May 1995 15:59:53 GMT



In article <632163781wnr@fragrant.demon.co.uk>, Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk> writes:

>In article: <3oljfg$fge@news1.best.com>  Teryn Prehm <forrest@best.com> writes:

>> 

>> Does anyone know a cure for migraines? Please help.

>> 

>> Teryn@vhs.com

>

>A small drop of lavender essential oil massaged into  the little dent in the temples (just 

>behind the edge of the eye socket) has worked for a few people I know of. Also try Camomile 

>Roman, neroli, peppermint, rodemary, grapefruit.  All of these must be diluted in a base oil to 

>5%.  

>

>A course of proper aromatherapy massages also can help, especially if the migraines have a stress 

>element in their onset.  

>>

>

>Graham 

>> 

>-- 

>Graham Sorenson Natures Gifts, Essential Oils

>Guide to Aromatherapy URL 

>http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html

>

Feverfew has been shown in many studies to stop migraines.  You can get it

loose and make a tea (1tsp dried herb per cup of boiling water) or take in pill

form.  In British studies this helped eliminate migraines in 7 out of ten 

people tested--many stopped having migraines permanantly.  Discontinue use

   if you develope mouth ulcers...a possible side effect in a few people.

good luck!



                                      

Donna Davis





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraine help needed

From: Marylin.Kraker@BBS.C4Systm.COM (Marylin Kraker)

Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 10:48:50 GMT





: >> Does anyone know a cure for migraines? Please help.





[[snipped]]

Also try alt.support.headaches.migraine for lots of information.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraine help needed

From: joanne@eskimo.com (JoAnne Bassett)

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 16:03:14 GMT



-- 

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Certified Aromatherapist       >><<     blends, diffusers, floral waters,

joanne@eskimo.com              >><<     natural bodycare products, kits,

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraine help needed

From: kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

Date: 13 May 1995 14:54:07 GMT



Greetings!

   For a migraine, you can try Feverfew internally, or also

try massaging the essential oils of Lavender, Blue Chaamomile,

Oakmoss, and Cajeput onto  your temples: I've had great success

with this one.

Bright Blessings,

Kamala

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E-mail us for more info., or check our Web page:

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: "Cudweed"? For Incense

From: 70571.2205@compuserve.com (Rowan Winters)

Date: 8 May 1995 22:11:24 GMT



   I attended a class on incense making and my teacher favored a plant

he called "cudweed" as a base.  Does anyone know what it is or where I

can find it in any form (dried herb, seeds, live plants, etc.)?  He

tore it up into little bits, added other oils and herbs, made little

cones and burned it on the spot.  I will type up my notes and try to

post them here if anyone is interested.

   Is there a text file or FAQ that has a list of herb suppliers?  It

has been a while since I contacted on and the last place I ordered from

was Aphrodisia.  Is it still around?

   Thanks,



Rowan Winters

70571.2205@compuserve.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: "Cudweed"? For Incense

From: Simrete <76342.1663@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 12 May 1995 15:16:01 GMT



I don't know which part of the country you're in but there a shop 

in Los angelels that sells incense makings, supplies such as pure 

oils, and incense oils, sticks, cones, frankinsence and myrrh in 

rock form, and any other supply you'd need, perhaps they even 

have the cudweed your asking about. 

It is Dawah Book Store & Incense and Oils supplies on Crenshaw 

Blvd. in Los angeles, California...a call to the LA infomation 

operator can get you the number. I don't have it on hand.  They 

wholesale and retail their product, and ship to anywhere in the 

world.

Hope this helps.



-- 

Sim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: quit smoking (help)

From: "j.g. duplantie" <jduplant@julian.uwo.ca>

Date: 8 May 1995 22:45:23 GMT



my father has expressed an interest in cutting down his smoking, and 

maybe even quitting.  i remember seeing a post about lobelia, but i don't 

remember how it is prepared or taken.  can anyone help?  it would be 

greatly appreciated.  also, anything else that would be helpful is also 

welcome.

thanks alot! :^)



jason. 'the w(a/o)nderer'



p.s.  he prefers teas.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: quit smoking (help)

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Tue, 9 May 95 15:42:00 EST



Even though lobelia (Lobelia inflata) is restricted by the FDA, it is

allowed in pills to help patients to stop smoking.



A tea prepared from lobelia (or smoking the herb) has been successfully used

to treat asthma, bronchitis, whooping cough, etc.  However, the dosage must

be specific and if you're considering using it you should seek the advice of

an N.D.  The herb is toxic and used inappropriately can cause convulsions,

depression of the brain & nervous system and respiratory failure.



Good luck!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: quit smoking (help)

From: "j.g. duplantie" <jduplant@julian.uwo.ca>

Date: 10 May 1995 21:51:59 GMT





i would like to thank everyone who responded to this, i shall pass the 

info along.  much appreciation! :^)



jason.  'the w(a/o)nderer'





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: quit smoking (help)

From: Mark & Judith Smedley <biunrc@delphi.com>

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 21:33:04 -0500



"j.g. duplantie" <jduplant@julian.uwo.ca> writes:

 

>my father has expressed an interest in cutting down his smoking, and 

>maybe even quitting.  i remember seeing a post about lobelia, but i don't 

>remember how it is prepared or taken.  can anyone help?  it would be 

>greatly appreciated.  also, anything else that would be helpful is also 

>welcome.

>thanks alot! :^)

 

Lobelia can be toxic if you're not careful! It taste terrible & after

celebrating my first year w/o cigarettes, I can say that, for me, cold

turkey & countless attempts did the trick. Please remember ALWAYS to

praise his efforts & minimize defeats!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Japanese Mushroom

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon,  8 May 95 15:03:04 PST



In message ID <3o6u29$bmo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 5/2/95, MycoWorld

<mycoworld@aol.com> wrote:



: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

: Wrote:

: 

: >The protective effect of adding older culture to new to acidify the brew,

: >coupled with pH testing, adds a significant level of safety.

: 

: True.  The acidity makes the liquid a poorer home for such as the

: Aspergillus molds, which can be deadly (and you probably won't recognize

: them in your tea).   Other critters still proliferate so a strong

: immune system is well advised.



That hasn't been demonstrated. After all, indications are that people have been

eating fermented foods like these for millenia. Don't scare-monger.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: WANTED:RESEARCHER FOR HERBAL MED.

From: billywto@idirect.com (Bill Ward)

Date: 9 May 95 01:28:03 GMT



In article <799516056@news2.compulink.com>, billywto@idirect.com says...

>

>In article <3nos5j$3et$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, 

>100344.12@CompuServe.COM says...

>>

>>WANTED: Herb Researchers at University

>>Unique positions: Researchers wanted to support Herbal 

>>medicine/pharmacognosy research at Europe's first BSc degree in 

>>Herbal Medicine at Middlesex University, UK. Areas include 

>>ethnobotanical research into herbs used in the treatment of AIDS in 

>>Africa; Archeobotanical studies of medicinal plants used by hunter -

>> gatherer societies, production of essential oils from medicinal 

>>plants, production of new Natural dyes from plants used in 

>>traditional inks. 3 month commitment minium, self funded with grant 

>>application or personnal funds, Starting summer 1995. The department

>>has an active undergraduate program in Herbal Medicine, including 

>>visiting speakers programme, excellent library and computer 

>>fascilities on herbal medicine, laboratories, and for research 

>>purposes, accesss to relevant databases such as medline and NAPRALRT

>>etc.

>>

>>Middlesex University is based on the edge of North London with easy 

>>acess to the centre of London, Cambridge and the countryside.

>>

>> E mail with relelvant experience and qualifications to:            

>>                        

>>

>>JOHN11@MDX.AC.UK 

>>

>>Dr John Wilkinson, Senior Lecturer in Herbal Pharmacognosy,



DO NOT ASK ME HOW OR WHY, BUT I, billywto@idirect.com, AM NOT RESPONSIBLE

FOR THIS POST. THERE MAY BE A DR.WILKINSON SOMEWHERE,BUT I KNOW NOTHING 

ABOUT THIS, THANKS JUST THE SAME.PLEASE DO NOT SEND MAIL, I DO NOT

KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bojenmi includes a carcinogen

From: Presser@netaxs.com (Daniel Dorff)

Date: 9 May 1995 02:57:48 GMT



I'm told today that our beloved Bojenmi tea includes a carcinogen and

I'll be receiving more specific info in the next day or two which I'll

pass along when I get it.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bojenmi includes a carcinogen

From: Jay_Mann@equinox.gen.nz (Jay Mann)

Date: 11 May 1995 09:21:40 GMT



Daniel Dorff (Presser@netaxs.com) wrote:

: I'm told today that our beloved Bojenmi tea includes a carcinogen and

: I'll be receiving more specific info in the next day or two which I'll

: pass along when I get it.



Well, since about one-third of all organic chemicals, both natural and

manmade, show up as carcinogens in the ludicrous tests that are used, and

since any particular plant contains hundreds of different organic chemicals,

one cwould expect just about every plant to contain chemicals that can cause

cancer in high enough doses.



JJust as water in large volumes causes drownings, so it can be described as

"a death causing chemical".  



Jay D Mann  <jmann@equinox.gen.nz>

Christchurch, New Zealand





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HERB RESEARCHERS WANTED

From: john11@vaxa.mdx.ac.uk

Date: 8 May 1995 20:53:30 -0700



Middlesex University, UK runs the first BSc degree programme in Europe on

Herbal Medicine. We have also begun a research programme in the following

areas: Etnobotanical research in Herbal Medicine; Archeobotanical research into

medicinal plants used by hunter-gatherer societies; Phytochemical and

Pharmacognosy studies of plants used in Herbal Medicine; Anti HIV compounds

>From plants, new potential natural dyes from plants/fungi and distillation of

essential oils from medicinal/fragrant plants.

Potential researchers should have a minimum committment of 3 months and ideally

should have PhD's inthe areas of biology,microscopy,botany. chemistry, pharmacy

although researchers with undergraduate degrees and some relevant experience

would also be suitable.There is also the possibility of registering for a PhD

for suitably qualified individuals.

Only serious, highly committed reearchers that have a strong interest in

Medicinal plants are encouraged to apply. Please send brief resume and details

of financial support either from personal funds or from possible grants to

JOHN11@MDX.AC.UK or write to Dr John Wilkinson, School of Social Work and

Health Sciences,  Middlesex University, Enfield,

Middlesex, EN3 4SF UK





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginseng through mail-order

From: kline@tao.thought.org (Gary D. Kline)

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 04:18:42 GMT



        Thanks for any tips!



        gary kline



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng through mail-order

From: cosimano@cbl.umd.edu (Anthony Cosimano)

Date: 10 May 1995 12:38:02 -0400



kline@tao.thought.org (Gary D. Kline) writes:



>       

>       Is ginseng available through mail-order from a

>       reputable company?  I've been buying Korean ginseng

>       for quite awhile from GNC.  Would like some other

>       options.  Ginseng really does give me a boost over

>       the long haul, and it may be time to check out 

>       other varieties.



>       gary kline



Yeah, I got some good Korean ginseng from Bronson pharmaceuticals.  I 

don't have the 800 number with me now but I will post it later.  Also I 

bought a bottle of 100 pills (508 mg) from Star and it was so bad that I 

had toi take 3 at a time just to get the same effects as the Bronson variety.

It was a lot cheaper and I found out why.



Tony



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|=====================================|

| Tony Cosimano  cosimano@cbl.umd.edu |

|=====================================|





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng through mail-order

From: kline@tao.thought.org (Gary D. Kline)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 03:31:20 GMT



Anthony Cosimano (cosimano@cbl.umd.edu) wrote:

> kline@tao.thought.org (Gary D. Kline) writes:



> >     

> >     Is ginseng available through mail-order from a

> >     reputable company?  I've been buying Korean ginseng

> >     for quite awhile from GNC.  Would like some other

> >     options.  Ginseng really does give me a boost over

> >     the long haul, and it may be time to check out 

> >     other varieties.



> >     gary kline



> Yeah, I got some good Korean ginseng from Bronson pharmaceuticals.  I 

> don't have the 800 number with me now but I will post it later.  Also I 

> bought a bottle of 100 pills (508 mg) from Star and it was so bad that I 

> had toi take 3 at a time just to get the same effects as the Bronson variety.

> It was a lot cheaper and I found out why.



        I'll look forward to the 800 number.  If they have a

        catalogue, so much the better.  



        Thanks much!



        gary.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Inchinko

From: eharris@synnovation.com

Date: Mon, 08 May 95 22:11:39 PDT





I am looking for a source of a Japanese herb called "Inchinko", latin name 

Altemisiae capillaris Flos.





+===============================================+

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|             eharris@synnovation.com           |

+-----------------------------------------------+

|  If found listless or depressed, administer   |

|  chocolate immediately!                       |

+===============================================+

				





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Inchinko

From: richard.grossman@greatesc.com (Richard Grossman)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 06:15:00 GMT





E>I am looking for a source of a Japanese herb called "Inchinko", latin

E>name  Altemisiae capillaris Flos.

E> 



It's Artemesiae Capillaris, called Yin Chen Hao in Mandarin; mainly used 

for hepatitis.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Inchinko

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 13 May 95 19:00:50 PST



In message ID <NEWTNews.2124.799996396.eharris@SYNNOV.SYNNOVATION.COM>

NNTP-Posting-Host: synnov.msn.fullfeed.com on 5/8/95, eharris@synnovation.com

wrote:



: I am looking for a source of a Japanese herb called "Inchinko", latin name : 

: Altemisiae capillaris Flos.

: 

: 

: +===============================================+

: |             Ed Harris  



This herbal is known as 'Herba Artemesia Yinchenhao.' It is available in any

Chinese herbal pharmacy. Yinchenhao is the pinyin name.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com





--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Depression before/during period

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon,  8 May 95 23:01:41 PST



In message ID <bwind.799496378@BIX.com> on 5/3/95, bwind on BIX <bwind@BIX.com>

wrote:



: Although it isn't an herbal remedy, Evening Primrose Oil will also help

: for PMS symptoms.  My wife takes 2-3 capsules (1500 mg each) a day and

: says that most of her pms symptoms (emotional and physical) have

: disappeared.

: 

: Brian



It isn't an herbal remedy? Really? I'd say that you're hurting that poor

flower's feelings.





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Thanks for responding, more problem on scalp, 

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon,  8 May 95 23:02:01 PST





--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: glucomannan

From: Scales@jpl.nasa.gov (Scaley Shells)

Date: Tue, 9 May 95 07:25:44 GMT



Interested in info on this Japanese herb, also known as Amorphophallus

konjac.  Can it be used in conjuction with or does it do the same thing as

chromium?  Interested in it's effect on diabetes and obesity.  Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Health Conference, Bastyr University, Seattle, May 13

From: cyberoid@u.washington.edu (Robert Jacobson)

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 01:03:28 -0700 (PDT)



HERBS FOR HEALTH...EVERYDAY!!



An educational, all-day symposium on how to use herbs in your daily

life.  All presentations are designed for a laypersons understanding

and provide a period for questions.  Admission is free, but on a

first-come, first-seated basis only.



Saturday, May 13, 1995, 9:30 AM - 4:30 PM

at the Bastyr University Cafeteria

NE 54th & Latona Avenue NE

In Wallingford District of Seattle

(Just West of I-5, at NE 50th)



(Bring a brown bag lunch)



PROGRAM SCHEDULE



9:30 - 10:30 AM 

Ron Hobbs, N.D.

Introduction and Topic Orientation



10:30 - 11:30 AM

Steve Morris, N.D. and Organic Medicinal Herb Farmer

Categories of Disease:  Treatment and Prevention



11:30 - 12:30 PM

Cindy Gardiner, Lay Midwife

Basic Herbs for the Childbearing Years



12:30 - 1:30 PM

Lunch Break

Bring a brown bag lunch or visit Wallingford eateries



1:30 - 2:30 PM

Lise Alschuler, N.D.

Assessing Product Quality:  Purchase, Preparation and Storage



2:30 - 3:30 PM

Marcia Elston, Owner of Samara Botane

Aromatherapy and Herbal Skin Care



3:30 - 4:30 PM

Erin Groh, Wise Woman and Wildcrafter

Herbal Practice in the Wise Woman Tradition



Herb and related businesses are welcome to provide materials for our

resources table.  Contact Lauren Wailes at 632-1267 for more info.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Advice requested. Allergies.

From: pflee000@wilbur.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (Erika Pfleger)

Date: 9 May 1995 10:09:54 GMT



I've developed allergies/hay fever during the last two years (never experienced

any symptoms before then). I've also become a vegetarian in the last two years.

I'm assuming there's a connection.  I should say that the symptoms are never 

debilitating but often very annoying. So, if you have any info.regarding,

1. what may be causing the allergies. 2. what i could do to cure them, i would

be grateful.



p.s. this may not be the best place to post this. if you know of a better 

site, please post the address-- i'm new here. thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Advice requested. Allergies.

From: baconmary@aol.com (Bacon Mary)

Date: 10 May 1995 14:31:44 -0400



HI,

    I'm allergic to everything,  spring and fall plants, animals and even

nickel,  which is present in gold and silver.

   I'd highly reccomend you tell your doctor that you would like to take

herbs and request an allergy test.  I recently found out that I'm allergic

to sage,  a favorite incense of mine.

   The reason is,   allergies can worsen with each exposure,  You could

suddenly have a major reaction to something that previously only gave you

the sniffles.

  If you find any herbal remedies let me know!!  I take Hisminal and

nasacort nasal spray now.   They work quite nicely for me (available by

prescription only).

Mary





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Advice requested. Allergies.

From: Richard Schick <Richard.H.Schick@jpl.nasa.gov>

Date: 11 May 1995 15:29:24 GMT



pflee000@wilbur.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (Erika Pfleger) wrote:

>

> I've developed allergies/hay fever during the last two years (never experienced

> any symptoms before then). I've also become a vegetarian in the last two years.

> I'm assuming there's a connection.  I should say that the symptoms are never 

> debilitating but often very annoying. So, if you have any info.regarding,

> 1. what may be causing the allergies. 2. what i could do to cure them, i would

> be grateful.

> 

> p.s. this may not be the best place to post this. if you know of a better 

> site, please post the address-- i'm new here. thanks.

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Diabetes and herbs

From: Ann.J.Welborne.2@nd.edu (Anna Welborne)

Date: 9 May 1995 13:45:20 GMT





I've recently heard of a Mexican herb called "prodigiosa"...I have no idea

if there is a name for it in English...but you make a tea out of it

(bitter!) and drink it 2x a day...it lowers your blood sugar and helps your

digestive system in general.  My friend's  dad was a regular user of

it...his supply dried up temporarily and that's what sent him to the

hospital with a badly infected foot... he's back on this stuff and they

took him off his restricted diet!  I've heard you can get it from a

botanica or curandera (Mexican herbalist or healer/witch)... it seems to

work. 





I don't know about side-effects or long-term effects.  Can anyone help me

out here?





Thanks!



Anna





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Philosophy Department               And the journey is long,    <B Sprague>

Notre Dame, IN  46556               Tie your shoes, my dear friend. Walk

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperact

From: paul.maser@megasystem.com (Paul Maser)

Date: Tue, 09 May 1995 06:51:00 -0800



JE>Have you tried Lavender Essential Oil to calm your child? Works wonders!!

  >Also many foods have stimulating components in them- ie red colorants

  >that hyper children. Valerian is more commonly used for children with

  >ADD- but if nothing elso works and you are pulling your hair out...



JE>Bopper



Do you give this orally or through aromatherapy?

Thanks;

Paul



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian for hyperact

From: paul.maser@megasystem.com (Paul Maser)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 06:16:00 -0800





SC>Greetings --



SC>The best of luck to you trying to get a kid to take valerian -- the smell

  >alone half kills me!  :-)



SC>Peace,



SC>SCJ

  >Sister Carol Joseph

  >SCJoseph@aol.com



Sister;

I bought some valerian a few years back with the intention of making

capsules. The smell was so bad that I assigned the contents to a far

corner of the garage hoping that it might keep bugs out of there. Every

year the smell got less and less until I finally noticed that at a very

reduced level it actually smelled rather nice. Might be interesting to

sacrifice a bag of pot pourri to an experiment with just the smallest

amount of valerian herb added. (If the experiment doesn't work, you may

have discovered a very good repellent.)



Peace;

Paul



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Blessed Thistle--when to start?

From: oatstraw@twain.oit.umass.edu (ROBIN F HOWARD)

Date: 9 May 1995 16:13:36 GMT





I know that blessed thistle is the prime herb to increase and enrich a 

lactating mother's milk supply, but when is the best time to start?  

Before the baby is born?  Three months before?  A week before?  Or is it 

an "as needed" quick-response herb?  Suppose I could look this up in my 

books, but this is much more fun (and I don't think I've seen anything 

about the timing of it, anyway).



Robin

& dumpling

due 7-17-95





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blessed Thistle--when to start?

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 08:05:00 EST



>

>I know that blessed thistle is the prime herb to increase and enrich a

>lactating mother's milk supply, but when is the best time to start?



Hello Robin....hello dumpling!



Blessed thistle contains a bitter alkaloid called cnicin which stimulates

the mammary glands to produce more milk.  The milk is also of better

nutritional quality since mom receives the additional benefit of high

calcium & iron found in blessed thistle.  However, the taste leaves

something to be desired....



Your body will respond to chemical changes in the brain immediately after

the baby is born.  Let nature take its course the first day or two.  Then

begin a regimen of 1 cup warm thistle tea about 30 minutes before you expect

to nurse.  Unfortunately, the capsules are not as effective for some reason.

 It's believed the active agent is released by the heat of an infusion.



Good luck!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs

From: Michelle.Bass@nopc.org (Michelle Bass)

Date: 09 May 95 20:00:06 



I just got the name of this echo from people on the Fidonet echo.  My local

board has access to usenet usegroups, but I tuned in and there doesn't seem to

be any messages.  Perhaps the board I'm on is the problem.  Sure would

appreciate a response from one or two of you, to make sure I have access. 

 

I also note the word "folklore" in the usegroup name.  Is this soley an herb

echo, or is it an echo devoted to the medicinal use of herbs.  Any help is

sorely appreciated.

--Michelle

New Orleans, LA

--

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Coronary Spasms

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue,  9 May 95 09:17:29 PST



In message ID <3o9325$1a9@facman.admin> on 5/3/95, Ken Junttonen

<kjjuntto@mtu.edu> wrote:



: I have been recently diagnosed as having a right coronary artery that

: spasms.  One of the medications that is prescribed is 60mg of

: nitroglycerine daily, but this leaves me with incredible headaches. 

: Is there anything natural that I can take that will alleviate the

: spasms?  Thanks in advance.

: 

: Ken Junttonen

: 

: Kjjuntto@mtu.edu



Twice in one morning. I believe that _Salvia miltorrhizae_  (Dan shen) has been

used in Chinese hospitals in place of nitroglycerine. It is available in

Chinatown. Note that I believe they inject it, but it has a long history of use

orally in tea.





--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Coronary Spasms

From: covent@innet.be (Jean-Pierre Covent)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 22:21:47 +0300



p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) wrote:



>In message ID <3o9325$1a9@facman.admin> on 5/3/95, Ken Junttonen

><kjjuntto@mtu.edu> wrote:



>: I have been recently diagnosed as having a right coronary artery that

>: spasms.  One of the medications that is prescribed is 60mg of

>: nitroglycerine daily, but this leaves me with incredible headaches. 

>: Is there anything natural that I can take that will alleviate the

>: spasms?  Thanks in advance.

>: 

>: Ken Junttonen

>: 

>: Kjjuntto@mtu.edu



>Twice in one morning. I believe that _Salvia miltorrhizae_  (Dan shen) has been

>used in Chinese hospitals in place of nitroglycerine. It is available in

>Chinatown. Note that I believe they inject it, but it has a long history of use

>orally in tea.



>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



>--

>Twice in one morning. I believe that _Salvia miltorrhizae_  (Dan shen) has been

>used in Chinese hospitals in place of nitroglycerine. It is available in

>Chinatown. Note that I believe they inject it, but it has a long history of use

>orally in tea.



>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



>--

In medicine, nitroglycerin is used as a vasodilator to reduce arterial

tension.The herb GINKGO BILOBA is a natural vasodilator.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for scars?

From: LVT Harrison <lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk>

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 19:50:37 +0100



Hi there,

 I cut myself about 8 weeks ago, only really a paper-cut but i still have 

a horrible light brown scar. My question is this... Are there any herbs 

that any of you would recommend to help heal tissue and prevent scarring? 

Also does anyone have any suggestions as to herbs that may still 

help now.. 8 weeks on... to get rid of the scar or to fade it quicker?

  I am moving to London (UK) this weekend so in 4 days time i will lose 

my email access :-( but if theres anyone in London/ Hayes area who may 

like to get together with me and discuss herbs and natural healing please 

email me asap!! :-

   Bye Bye

 Rainbow Blessings

  Melissa



  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for scars?

From: Elizabeth_Toews@mindlink.bc.ca (Elizabeth Toews)

Date: Tue, 09 May 95 14:39:30 -0800



In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.950509194606.2820G-100000@sgi4.york.ac.uk>,

lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk (LVT Harrison) writes:

>

> Msg-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.950509194606.2820G-100000@sgi4.york.ac.uk>

> Posted: Tue, 9 May 1995 19:50:37 +0100

>

> Org.  : The University of York, UK

>

> Hi there,

>  I cut myself about 8 weeks ago, only really a paper-cut but i still have

> a horrible light brown scar. My question is this... Are there any herbs

> that any of you would recommend to help heal tissue and prevent scarring?

> Also does anyone have any suggestions as to herbs that may still

> help now.. 8 weeks on... to get rid of the scar or to fade it quicker?

>   I am moving to London (UK) this weekend so in 4 days time i will lose

> my email access :-( but if theres anyone in London/ Hayes area who may

> like to get together with me and discuss herbs and natural healing please

> email me asap!! :-

>    Bye Bye

>  Rainbow Blessings

>   Melissa

>

>



Sorry to see you go Melissa

My husband has been using Sweedish Bitters on an old scar (at least 3 years

old).  There was a lot of redness and old scar tissue, the redness is going

away and the scar tissue is half the size it was when he started.  There is

an extensive write up on Sweedish Bitters in Maria Treben's book "Health

Through God's Pharmacy".



Best Health Wishes



--



Elizabeth Toews    Back To Nature Products

Ind. Distributor for Nature's Sunshine Products and Fine Herbs

email:  elizabeth_toews@mindlink.bc.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk

Subject: Re: Herbs for scars?

From: Paul Anacker <anackerp@rain.org>

Date: 10 May 1995 03:14:30 GMT



LVT Harrison <lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk> wrote: 

 

>I cut myself about 8 weeks ago, only really a paper-cut but i still have  

>a horrible light brown scar. My question is this... Are there any herbs  

>that any of you would recommend to help heal tissue and prevent scarring?  

>Also does anyone have any suggestions as to herbs that may still  

>help now.. 8 weeks on... to get rid of the scar or to fade it quicker? 

 

>I am moving to London (UK) this weekend so in 4 days time i will lose  

>my email access :-( but if theres anyone in London/ Hayes area who may  

>like to get together with me and discuss herbs and natural healing please  

>email me asap!! :- 

 

Use Rosehips seed oil.  Herb stores should know about it.  If not email 

me. 

 

Paul Anacker   





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for scars?

From: joanne@eskimo.com (JoAnne Bassett)

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 15:57:46 GMT





: I use rose hip seed oil for scars. (Rosa Rubiginosa oil).  It works on 

: recent and old scars.  Also reduces facial lines and retards premature  

: aging.  I sell the oil in my mail order catalog. Email your snail mail 

: address for free catalog.  Web page is not complete.

LVT Harrison 

(lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk) wrote: : Hi there,

:  I cut myself about 8 weeks ago, only really a paper-cut but i still have 

: a horrible light brown scar. My question is this... Are there any herbs 

: that any of you would recommend to help heal tissue and prevent scarring? 

: Also does anyone have any suggestions as to herbs that may still 

: help now.. 8 weeks on... to get rid of the scar or to fade it quicker?

:   I am moving to London (UK) this weekend so in 4 days time i will lose 

: my email access :-( but if theres anyone in London/ Hayes area who may 

: like to get together with me and discuss herbs and natural healing please 

: email me asap!! :-

:    Bye Bye

:  Rainbow Blessings

:   Melissa



:   

-- 

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Certified Aromatherapist       >><<     blends, diffusers, floral waters,

joanne@eskimo.com              >><<     natural bodycare products, kits,

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for scars?

From: tbedell@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Tracy Bedell)

Date: 10 May 95 22:02:09 CDT



In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.950509194606.2820G-100000@sgi4.york.ac.uk>, LVT

Harrison <lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk> wrote:



> Hi there,

>  I cut myself about 8 weeks ago, only really a paper-cut but i still have 

> a horrible light brown scar. My question is this... Are there any herbs 

> that any of you would recommend to help heal tissue and prevent scarring? 

> Also does anyone have any suggestions as to herbs that may still 

> help now.. 8 weeks on... to get rid of the scar or to fade it quicker?

>   I am moving to London (UK) this weekend so in 4 days time i will lose 

> my email access :-( but if theres anyone in London/ Hayes area who may 

> like to get together with me and discuss herbs and natural healing please 

> email me asap!! :-

>    Bye Bye

>  Rainbow Blessings

>   Melissa

> 



Melissa.. let me know if you got any advice of herbs for scarring. I would

be interesting in trying some of those, myself.  Thanks... tracy



>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for scars?

From: jcgoulet@christa.unh.edu (Jeanne C Goulet)

Date: 11 May 1995 14:09:41 GMT



I am by no means an expert, and somebody else might be able to give you a 

better answer, but I've heard that rubbing vitamin E on damaged skin will 

help prevent scarring.



J.



In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.950509194606.2820G-100000@sgi4.york.ac.uk> LVT Harrison <lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk> writes:

>Hi there,

> I cut myself about 8 weeks ago, only really a paper-cut but i still have 

>a horrible light brown scar. My question is this... Are there any herbs 

>that any of you would recommend to help heal tissue and prevent scarring? 

>Also does anyone have any suggestions as to herbs that may still 

>help now.. 8 weeks on... to get rid of the scar or to fade it quicker?

>  I am moving to London (UK) this weekend so in 4 days time i will lose 

>my email access :-( but if theres anyone in London/ Hayes area who may 

>like to get together with me and discuss herbs and natural healing please 

>email me asap!! :-

>   Bye Bye

> Rainbow Blessings

>  Melissa

>

>  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for scars?

From: Chud <jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com>

Date: 14 May 1995 07:57:52 GMT



jcgoulet@christa.unh.edu (Jeanne C Goulet) wrote:

>I am by no means an expert, and somebody else might be able to give you a 

>better answer, but I've heard that rubbing vitamin E on damaged skin will 

>help prevent scarring.



I will atest to this.  I have used E since I was 15 and a country doctor turned

me onto it for a gash that I got across the bridge of my nose.  It truly does

work wonders, but I think she was asking about an after the fact scar.



-- 

                                        Laterness,

                                        Jim 

jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com

* All flames are cheerfully ignored!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for scars?

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 24 May 1995 23:34:39 GMT



Chud <jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

>

> jcgoulet@christa.unh.edu (Jeanne C Goulet) wrote:

> >I am by no means an expert, and somebody else might be able to give you a 

> >better answer, but I've heard that rubbing vitamin E on damaged skin will 

> >help prevent scarring.

> 

> I will atest to this.  I have used E since I was 15 and a country doctor turned

> me onto it for a gash that I got across the bridge of my nose.  It truly does

> work wonders, but I think she was asking about an after the fact scar.

> 

> -- 

> 					Laterness,

> 					Jim 

> jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com

> * All flames are cheerfully ignored!

> 

Comfrey ointment every day for twelve months.

Michael TFG

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                                N.S.W, Australia

              Twenty-two acknowledged concubines,

 and a library of sixty-two thousand volumes, 

attested the variety of his inclinations;

 and from the productions which he left behind him, it appears that the former as well as the later were designed for use rather than ostentation

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for scars?

From: john.draper@psybbs.durham.nc.us (JOHN DRAPER)

Date: Thu, 11 May 95 20:59:00 -0500





LH>Hi there,

LH> I cut myself about 8 weeks ago, only really a paper-cut but i still have

LH>a horrible light brown scar. My question is this... Are there any herbs

LH>that any of you would recommend to help heal tissue and prevent scarring?

LH>Also does anyone have any suggestions as to herbs that may still

LH>help now.. 8 weeks on... to get rid of the scar or to fade it quicker?



Take a vitamin E capsule, open it, and spread the contents over the

scar.  If done on a regular basis, the scar should disapear or at least

be very minimual.  My mother burned her had badly, and spread the

contents from a vitamin E capsule over her had for several weeks and had

absolutely no scaring.

                                             John D





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for scars?

From: paul.maser@megasystem.com (Paul Maser)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 06:16:00 -0800



  > I cut myself about 8 weeks ago, only really a paper-cut but i still have

  >a horrible light brown scar. My question is this... Are there any herbs

  >that any of you would recommend to help heal tissue and prevent scarring?

  >  Melissa

Melissa;

The only preparation that I am familiar with is camphorated sweet oil

massaged into the scar a couple of times a day until the scar is not

noticeable.

Paul





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for scars?

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 15 May 1995 04:08:29 GMT



LVT Harrison <lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk> wrote:

>

> Hi there,

>  I cut myself about 8 weeks ago, only really a paper-cut but i still have 

> a horrible light brown scar. My question is this... Are there any herbs 

> that any of you would recommend to help heal tissue and prevent scarring? 

> Also does anyone have any suggestions as to herbs that may still 

> help now.. 8 weeks on... to get rid of the scar or to fade it quicker?

>   I am moving to London (UK) this weekend so in 4 days time i will lose 

> my email access :-( but if theres anyone in London/ Hayes area who may 

> like to get together with me and discuss herbs and natural healing please 

> email me asap!! :-

>    Bye Bye

>  Rainbow Blessings

>   Melissa

> 

>   

Comfrey ointment

MB TFG





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: wart problem

From: David Krumlauf <david@traverse.com>

Date: 9 May 1995 21:00:42 GMT



I would suggest using tea tree oil externally. You should also 

investigate the use of homeopathic remedies like Thuja.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: wart problem

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 08:16:00 EST



The milky juice of dandelion applied several times a day to the wart is also

effective.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: wart problem

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon, 15 May 95 11:44:10 PST



In message ID <3ool5q$h8@bert.traverse.com> on 5/9/95, David Krumlauf

<david@traverse.com> wrote:



: I would suggest using tea tree oil externally. You should also 

: investigate the use of homeopathic remedies like Thuja.



Tea tree oil directly antidotes homeopathic remedies. 



Using Thuja for warts is quite dangerous. Warts are seen homeopathically as

being GIFTS, almost to be cherished. They are externalizations of internal and

Spirit disorders that, by being externalized, no longer torment the inner

person. Consider well before you casually eliminate that finger in the dike!



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: wart problem

From: mhoneth@inforamp.net

Date: 23 May 1995 18:24:38 -0400



In alt.folklore.herbs p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) said: 

 

 

>In message ID <3ool5q$h8@bert.traverse.com> on 5/9/95, David Krumlauf  

><david@traverse.com> wrote: 

> 

>: I would suggest using tea tree oil externally. You should also  

>: investigate the use of homeopathic remedies like Thuja. 

> 

>Tea tree oil directly antidotes homeopathic remedies.  

> 

>Using Thuja for warts is quite dangerous. Warts are seen homeopathically

as  

>being GIFTS, almost to be cherished. They are externalizations of internal

and  

>Spirit disorders that, by being externalized, no longer torment the inner 



>person. Consider well before you casually eliminate that finger in the

dike! 

> 

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com 

> 

> 

>Hi - I used raw garlic on my daughter who had one on her foot.  Once or

preferably twice a day for a week or two. 

I've heard that tea tree works as well, while someone else used 50% tea

tree and 50% lavender and had great results.  I guess it all depends on

what works for you. 

Carol @ -- Michael Honeth 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: wart problem

From: gmericks@aol.com (Gmericks)

Date: 18 May 1995 21:56:38 -0400



Thuja is a member of the cedar family, and should not be taken internally

unless you REALLY know what you are doing.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: treatment for psoriasis

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Tue, 9 May 95 16:03:00 EST



Try some of these essential oils:



Clary-sage, rose geranium, rosemary, lavender, carrot, chamomile, hyssop.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help

From: witman@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Tanya D. Witman)

Date: 9 May 1995 21:16:30 GMT



Hi everyone. I'm studying to be a holistic health practitioner and I've 

been getting a lot of info but right now I don't have enough to help a 

good friend of mine who is HIV positive.  His T-cell count has gone down 

fron 2000 in Nov. to 800 now. I mentioned Spirulina, Vitamin C, general 

stuff, but there are some things that I can't remeber the names of and I 

knw there's a lot I don't know. He hates hospitals and is a little more 

prone to trying harsh chemicals than I would like so I'm trying to get 

him healthy beofre he resorts to scary things that might hurt more than 

help. Can anyone make any suggestions? Please reply to me or post. 

Thanks, Tanya Witman (witman@mail.sas.upenn.edu)

-- 

---------------------Tanya D. Witman-----------------------



"There is no deodorant like success."

                        - Elizabeth Taylor





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help

From: brucepeter@aol.com (BrucePeter)

Date: 14 May 1995 18:00:52 -0400



Hi Tanya,

My wife is a Holistic Health Counselor.  She said these following

following herbs and/or products from Nature's Sunshine have been known to

help:

VS-C; THIM-J; Paracleanse; TARGET IMMUNE(contains S.O.D. Free radical

scavenger; PYCNOGENOL(tissue oxygenation).

Feel free to contact her c/o "Healthy Alternatives" at 516-661-4187 for

more specific info and to talk with her if you would like, or I will try

to continue as a go-between through e-mail: BrucePeter@AOL.com



Good Luck and God Bless.

Bruce





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help

From: "Nette / Andrew John (ISE)" <u924163@student.canberra.edu.au>

Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 20:19:10 +1000



I was wondering if there was any natural sort of non-addictive caffine 

substitute. Somtihng that can keep me awake. 

thanks andrew.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help

From: sagerl@cadvision.com (Leah)

Date: 28 May 1995 08:01:20 GMT



In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.950527201758.23120B-100000@student.canberra.edu.au>, "Nette / Andrew John (ISE)" <u924163@student.canberra.edu.au> says:

>

>I was wondering if there was any natural sort of non-addictive caffine 

>substitute. Somtihng that can keep me awake. 

>thanks andrew.



This might help...

I've been using iodine drops in orange juice first thing in the morning.

(For Migraine/Thyroid).  Since I've been taking it, I've been hyper and

full of energy, I can't sleep - probably why I'm on this thing tonight!

It's like being on coffee without coming down.  Also in my vitamins is

magnesium, black walnut, clover leaf and Primrose Oil.  It may also

be a combination of any of them.  Good luck, but I sure wish that I 

could sleep.



... Leah from Calgary, Canada





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: 28 May 1995 22:05:31 +0100



In article: <3q9akg$u1s@huey.cadvision.com>  sagerl@cadvision.com (Leah) writes:

> 

> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.950527201758.23120B-100000@student.canberra.edu.au>, "Nette / Andrew 

John (ISE)" <u924163@student.canberra.edu.au> says:

> >

> >I was wondering if there was any natural sort of non-addictive caffine 

> >substitute. Somtihng that can keep me awake. 

> >thanks andrew.

> 

> This might help...

> I've been using iodine drops in orange juice first thing in the morning.

> (For Migraine/Thyroid).  Since I've been taking it, I've been hyper and

> full of energy, I can't sleep - probably why I'm on this thing tonight!

> It's like being on coffee without coming down.  Also in my vitamins is

> magnesium, black walnut, clover leaf and Primrose Oil.  It may also

> be a combination of any of them.  Good luck, but I sure wish that I 

> could sleep.





Reduce your intake of each item slowly until you get the benefits with out the non-benefit.



You can try using Lavender oil to settle down and get to sleep.

a couple of drops on the pillow should help.



Graham





-- 

Graham Sorenson                 Guide to Aromatherapy URL

http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help

From: moreta@prostar.com (Moreta)

Date: 27 May 95 17:26:09 PDT



Are you trying to stay mental alert or just trying to wake up in the 

morning?   I drink coffee rarely.. but I have found that using essential 

oils of Rosemary and Basil is helpful for both staying mentally and 

physically awake. I just put a couple of drops in the shower when I take a 

shower and it does it, and if i need it later in the day, I put a couple of 

drops on a cotton ball or tissue and wave it in front of my face. Or set it 

in front of me somewhere.. (I have formica counters so i really don't care 

where I set them down ;>  ) Or you can get a little ceramic diffuser, 

(glazed bottom, pourous top) and let it diffuse the air that way.  



The only contraindications for rosemary that I have read about is if you 

have hypertension (it can cause an elevation of blood pressure) and if you 

have epilepsy, it has been known to cause seizure activities in some 

individules. (there are other essential oils that will do that also. ). 

Basil doesn't seem to really have a contra indication that I can find such 

as what rosemary has. 





Mo





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: magnolia

From: Gene Bilney <gb0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>

Date: Tue, 9 May 1995 18:52:40 -0500



Anyone know if magnolias can be used for anything other than smelling

nice?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: orris root

From: "David N. Smith" <david.smith@cbr.for.csiro.au>

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 03:42:56 GMT



Can anyone put me onto a good source of information about the 

cultivation of, harvesting and curing of orris root (Iris pallida or

Iris florentina)?



Regards,

David.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Allergy - Human Allergies, Self-Care, Prevention

From: allergy@immune.com (Ballew Kinnaman)

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 04:16:52 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: plant swap

From: Willie <willie@tyrell.net>

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 05:34:21 GMT



I have several plants which I would like to swap for other unusual herbs.



Here is what I have:



Orris root plant-- a type of Iris, root used as fixative



Lemon Grass-- yummy tea, seasoning, potpourrii



Vetiver-- large grass, roots used in potpourrii



Galangal-- exotic seasoning



Please e-mail and tell me what you have to swap.



Willie <willie@tyrell.net>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HeRBs&HaiR?

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 03:01:26 EST



 -=> Quoting Internet: Healingpgs@aol. to ** All ** <=-



>anyone have recipe for shampoo or conditioner



 IH> Try "Creating Your Own Cosmetics Naturally" by Nikolaus J. Smeh.  We

 IH> got this book to add to our aromatherapy shelf & we're really

 IH> impressed.  Lots of very specific recipes for creating shampoos, hair

 IH> conditioners, facial products, etc.  We've been showing this to some of



I have a good recipe that I use for lots of different things.  It is a little

messy  but  I have found it very effective for quite a few things, including as

a hair rinse.



BASIC RECIPE: 2 large Aloe Vera stalks (leaves?), peeled (very  messy),  1  cup

purified water, 1/2 teaspoon essential orange oil.



If  I  want  to  use  it  for my hair (brunette) I add 4 cups of rosemary tea,

medium brew.  If my friend wants it (blond hair) we add  4  cups  of  chamomile

tea.  If my husband's skin is irritated (eczema  or  sunburn),  we  add  1  cup

of  witch  hazel to the recipe.  It works very well to soothe hemmoroids too, I

suspect the witch hazel helps.



... Maeve It Again Sam!

---

  Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HeRBs&HaiR?

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:01:06 EST



 -=> Quoting Internet: Healingpgs@aol. to ** All ** <=-



 >anyone have recipe for shampoo or conditioner



 IH> Try "Creating Your Own Cosmetics Naturally" by Nikolaus J. Smeh.  We

 IH> got this book to add to our aromatherapy shelf & we're really

 IH> impressed.  Lots of very specific recipes for creating shampoos, hair

 IH> conditioners, facial products, etc.  We've been showing this to some of



I have a good recipe that I use for lots of different things.  It is a little

messy  but  I have found it very effective for quite a few things, including as

a hair rinse.



BASIC RECIPE: 2 large Aloe Vera stalks (leaves?), peeled (very  messy),  1  cup

purified water, 1/2 teaspoon essential orange oil.



If  I  want  to  use  it  for my hair (brunette) I add 4 cups of rosemary tea,

medium brew.  If my friend wants it (blond hair) we add  4  cups  of  chamomile

tea.  If my husband's skin is irritated (eczema  or  sunburn),  we  add  1  cup

of  witch  hazel to the recipe.  It works very well to soothe hemmoroids too, I

suspect the witch hazel helps.



... Maeve It Again Sam!

---

  Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 



--

 The Phoenix Project                                              (520)571-8057

 4 lines 14,400 baud           24 hours per day           Internet:pproject.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HeRBs&HaiR?

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 17 May 95 15:17:19 EST





 -=> Quoting Internet: Healingpgs@aol. to ** All ** <=-



 

 

 >anyone have recipe for shampoo or conditioner



 IH> Try "Creating Your Own Cosmetics Naturally" by Nikolaus J. Smeh.  We

 IH> got this book to add to our aromatherapy shelf & we're really

 IH> impressed.  Lots of very specific recipes for creating shampoos, hair

 IH> conditioners, facial products, etc.  We've been showing this to some of



I have a good recipe that I use for lots of different things.  It is a little

messy  but  I have found it very effective for quite a few things, including as

a hair rinse.



BASIC RECIPE: 2 large Aloe Vera stalks (leaves?), peeled (very  messy),  1  cup

purified water, 1/2 teaspoon essential orange oil.



If  I  want  to  use  it  for my hair (brunette) I add 4 cups of rosemary tea,

medium brew.  If my friend wants it (blond hair) we add  4  cups  of  chamomile

tea.  If my husband's skin is irritated (eczema  or  sunburn),  we  add  1  cup

of  witch  hazel to the recipe.  It works very well to soothe hemmoroids too, I

suspect the witch hazel helps.





 

... Maeve It Again Sam!

---

  Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 



--

 The Phoenix Project                                              (520)571-8057

 4 lines 14,400 baud           24 hours per day           Internet:pproject.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cloves

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 03:01:26 EST





 -=> Quoting Internet: Fi017@cleveland to ** All ** <=-



 IF> I have experience using cloves as "medicine".

 IF> I've heard clove oil works too.

 IF> -----------------------------------------------------------------

 IF> -Bob Cathar, fi017@cleveland.freenet.edu    --Don't tread on me--



 IF> --------Omnes Homines Aut Liberi Aut Servi-----------------------

Hey,  I  would  class  it  as  a medicine.  When I was a kid going to school in

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada,  the  school  nurse  used  clove  oil  for

toothaches,  and  it  worked  great!   I have also used it successfully to help

relieve headaches and sore throats.  I make a tea out of it for  sore  throats,

along  with  ginger  and cinnamon.  Tastes great too.  I have found it relieves

my stomache aches, headaches, and sore throats.  Try it, it works for me.





 

... Maeve It Again Sam!

---

  Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 



--

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cloves

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:01:06 EST



 -=> Quoting Internet: Fi017@cleveland to ** All ** <=-



 IF> I have experience using cloves as "medicine".

 IF> I've heard clove oil works too.

 IF> -----------------------------------------------------------------

 IF> -Bob Cathar, fi017@cleveland.freenet.edu    --Don't tread on me--



 IF> --------Omnes Homines Aut Liberi Aut Servi-----------------------

Hey,  I  would  class  it  as  a medicine.  When I was a kid going to school in

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada,  the  school  nurse  used  clove  oil  for

toothaches,  and  it  worked  great!   I have also used it successfully to help

relieve headaches and sore throats.  I make a tea out of it for  sore  throats,

along  with  ginger  and cinnamon.  Tastes great too.  I have found it relieves

my stomache aches, headaches, and sore throats.  Try it, it works for me.



 

... Maeve It Again Sam!

---

  Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 



--

 The Phoenix Project                                              (520)571-8057

 4 lines 14,400 baud           24 hours per day           Internet:pproject.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cloves

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 17 May 95 15:17:19 EST



 -=> Quoting Internet: Fi017@cleveland to ** All ** <=-



 IF> I have experience using cloves as "medicine".

 IF> I've heard clove oil works too.

 IF> -----------------------------------------------------------------

 IF> -Bob Cathar, fi017@cleveland.freenet.edu    --Don't tread on me--



 IF> --------Omnes Homines Aut Liberi Aut Servi-----------------------

Hey,  I  would  class  it  as  a medicine.  When I was a kid going to school in

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada,  the  school  nurse  used  clove  oil  for

toothaches,  and  it  worked  great!   I have also used it successfully to help

relieve headaches and sore throats.  I make a tea out of it for  sore  throats,

along  with  ginger  and cinnamon.  Tastes great too.  I have found it relieves

my stomache aches, headaches, and sore throats.  Try it, it works for me.



 

... Maeve It Again Sam!

---

  Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 



--

 The Phoenix Project                                              (520)571-8057

 4 lines 14,400 baud           24 hours per day           Internet:pproject.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I1vol1.pt1

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 03:01:26 EST



Issue I, Vol I          Pickle Creek Newsletter

Jan 95 part i



Notice to the reader:  The information contained in this newsletter is for

educational purposes only. It is not to be used to diagnose any ailment or

prescribe any remedy.  It is not meant to be used as a substitute for

professional help.  It is intended to set forth historical uses of natural

remedies.  A person should consult a duly approved health professional for any

condition which requires their services.  This information is not intended as a

substitute for qualified medical care.

================================================================================



Life fulfillment, inner peace, self actualization, success....call it what you

will, but we all seek to grow and progress. If your life is stagnant and you

stop growing, it affects your standard of life, your self esteem and even your

health. We all have an innate need to dream of a better life.

Pour the foundation and write it down.

================================================================================



An often asked question is: What advantages do herbal medicines possess over  

synthetic drugs?  

 

As a general rule, Herbs are less toxic then their synthetic counterparts and

offer less risk of side effects. Obviously, there are some exceptions to the

rule. In addition, the mechanism of action of an herb is often to correct the

underlying cause. In contrast, a synthetic drug is often designed to alleviate

the symptom or effect without addressing the underlying cause. It has been

demonstrated with many plants that the whole plant or crude extract is much

more effective then isolated constituents or synthetic drugs.  Herbal medicine

will certainly play a major role in the medicine of the future. There is not

only rapidly accumulating scientific evidence documenting the effectiveness of

herbal medicines, there is also a growing appreciation of the harmonious

healing properties herbs possess, particularly in Europe and Asia. The United

States is becoming aware of the tremendous medicinal value of herbs. It is an

exciting time.  

================================================================================

Editor:Sherryl Lynne Bergkvist      E-mail:  maeve@PProject.com

913 E. Halcyon Rd.                  The Phoenix Project (520) 571-8057

Tucson, AZ  85719-2124              *Free Online Catalog upon request*



... Learning and teaching ways to live a healthy life

---

  Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 



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==========

Subject: I1vol1.pt1

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:01:06 EST





Issue I, Vol I          Pickle Creek Newsletter

Jan 95 part i



Notice to the reader:  The information contained in this newsletter is for

educational purposes only. It is not to be used to diagnose any ailment or

prescribe any remedy.  It is not meant to be used as a substitute for

professional help.  It is intended to set forth historical uses of natural

remedies.  A person should consult a duly approved health professional for any

condition which requires their services.  This information is not intended as a

substitute for qualified medical care.

================================================================================



Life fulfillment, inner peace, self actualization, success....call it what you

will, but we all seek to grow and progress. If your life is stagnant and you

stop growing, it affects your standard of life, your self esteem and even your

health. We all have an innate need to dream of a better life.

Pour the foundation and write it down.

================================================================================



An often asked question is: What advantages do herbal medicines possess over  

synthetic drugs?  

 

As a general rule, Herbs are less toxic then their synthetic counterparts and

offer less risk of side effects. Obviously, there are some exceptions to the

rule. In addition, the mechanism of action of an herb is often to correct the

underlying cause. In contrast, a synthetic drug is often designed to alleviate

the symptom or effect without addressing the underlying cause. It has been

demonstrated with many plants that the whole plant or crude extract is much

more effective then isolated constituents or synthetic drugs.  Herbal medicine

will certainly play a major role in the medicine of the future. There is not

only rapidly accumulating scientific evidence documenting the effectiveness of

herbal medicines, there is also a growing appreciation of the harmonious

healing properties herbs possess, particularly in Europe and Asia. The United

States is becoming aware of the tremendous medicinal value of herbs. It is an

exciting time.  

================================================================================

Editor:Sherryl Lynne Bergkvist      E-mail:  maeve@PProject.com

913 E. Halcyon Rd.                  The Phoenix Project (520) 571-8057

Tucson, AZ  85719-2124              *Free Online Catalog upon request*



 

  



 

... Learning and teaching ways to live a healthy life

---

  Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 



--

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I1vol1.pt1

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 17 May 95 15:17:19 EST



Issue I, Vol I          Pickle Creek Newsletter

Jan 95 part i



Notice to the reader:  The information contained in this newsletter is for

educational purposes only. It is not to be used to diagnose any ailment or

prescribe any remedy.  It is not meant to be used as a substitute for

professional help.  It is intended to set forth historical uses of natural

remedies.  A person should consult a duly approved health professional for any

condition which requires their services.  This information is not intended as a

substitute for qualified medical care.

================================================================================



Life fulfillment, inner peace, self actualization, success....call it what you

will, but we all seek to grow and progress. If your life is stagnant and you

stop growing, it affects your standard of life, your self esteem and even your

health. We all have an innate need to dream of a better life.

Pour the foundation and write it down.

================================================================================



An often asked question is: What advantages do herbal medicines possess over  

synthetic drugs?  

 

As a general rule, Herbs are less toxic then their synthetic counterparts and

offer less risk of side effects. Obviously, there are some exceptions to the

rule. In addition, the mechanism of action of an herb is often to correct the

underlying cause. In contrast, a synthetic drug is often designed to alleviate

the symptom or effect without addressing the underlying cause. It has been

demonstrated with many plants that the whole plant or crude extract is much

more effective then isolated constituents or synthetic drugs.  Herbal medicine

will certainly play a major role in the medicine of the future. There is not

only rapidly accumulating scientific evidence documenting the effectiveness of

herbal medicines, there is also a growing appreciation of the harmonious

healing properties herbs possess, particularly in Europe and Asia. The United

States is becoming aware of the tremendous medicinal value of herbs. It is an

exciting time.  

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I1vol1.pt2

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 03:01:27 EST



Issue I, Vol I            Pickle Creek Newsletter

Jan 95 part ii

================================================================================



The ancient herbalist Hippocrates is considered to be the father of medicine. 

Centuries ago he is attributed as saying, "Let thy food be thy medicine and let

thy medicine be thy food."  

 

Are herbs effective medicinal agents or is their use merely a reflection of

folklore and myth? To the uninformed, herbs are generally thought of as

ineffective medicines used prior to the advent of more effective synthetic

drugs. To others, herbs are simply sources of compounds to isolate and then

market as drugs. But to some herbs and crude plant extracts are to be respected

and appreciated.  

================================================================================



The world health organization has estimated that perhaps as 80 % of the more

then four billion world population rely on herbal medicines. This widespread

use of herbal medicines is not restricted to third world countries as it has

been estimated that 30 to 50 % of all medical doctors in France and Germany

rely exclusively on herbal preparations as their primary medicines. So why

aren't herbs more appreciated in the United States.?  

 

Because a natural product can not be patented, drug companies prefer to develop

synthetic substances as medicines.Nonetheless, it is a generally known fact

that for the past 30 years about 25 % of all known prescription drugs in the

U.S. have contained active constituents obtained from plants.  

 

One of the great fallacies promoted by the United States medical establishment

has been that there is no firm scientific evidence for the use of many natural

therapies, including herbal medicine.  This assertion is simply not true.  In

fact, during the last 10 to 20 years there has been a literal explosion of

scientific information concerning plants, crude extracts, and nutritional 

substances from plants as medicinal agents. 

================================================================================



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I1vol1.pt2

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:01:06 EST





Issue I, Vol I            Pickle Creek Newsletter

Jan 95 part ii

================================================================================



The ancient herbalist Hippocrates is considered to be the father of medicine. 

Centuries ago he is attributed as saying, "Let thy food be thy medicine and let

thy medicine be thy food."  

 

Are herbs effective medicinal agents or is their use merely a reflection of

folklore and myth? To the uninformed, herbs are generally thought of as

ineffective medicines used prior to the advent of more effective synthetic

drugs. To others, herbs are simply sources of compounds to isolate and then

market as drugs. But to some herbs and crude plant extracts are to be respected

and appreciated.  

================================================================================



The world health organization has estimated that perhaps as 80 % of the more

then four billion world population rely on herbal medicines. This widespread

use of herbal medicines is not restricted to third world countries as it has

been estimated that 30 to 50 % of all medical doctors in France and Germany

rely exclusively on herbal preparations as their primary medicines. So why

aren't herbs more appreciated in the United States.?  

 

Because a natural product can not be patented, drug companies prefer to develop

synthetic substances as medicines.Nonetheless, it is a generally known fact

that for the past 30 years about 25 % of all known prescription drugs in the

U.S. have contained active constituents obtained from plants.  

 

One of the great fallacies promoted by the United States medical establishment

has been that there is no firm scientific evidence for the use of many natural

therapies, including herbal medicine.  This assertion is simply not true.  In

fact, during the last 10 to 20 years there has been a literal explosion of

scientific information concerning plants, crude extracts, and nutritional 

substances from plants as medicinal agents. 

================================================================================



Editor: Sherryl Lynne Bergkvist     E-mail:  maeve@PProject.com

913 E. Halcyon Rd.                  The Phoenix Project (520) 571-8057

Tucson, AZ  85719-2124              *Free Online Catalog upon request*



 





 



  



 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I1vol1.pt2

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 17 May 95 15:17:19 EST



Issue I, Vol I            Pickle Creek Newsletter

Jan 95 part ii

================================================================================



The ancient herbalist Hippocrates is considered to be the father of medicine. 

Centuries ago he is attributed as saying, "Let thy food be thy medicine and let

thy medicine be thy food."  

 

Are herbs effective medicinal agents or is their use merely a reflection of

folklore and myth? To the uninformed, herbs are generally thought of as

ineffective medicines used prior to the advent of more effective synthetic

drugs. To others, herbs are simply sources of compounds to isolate and then

market as drugs. But to some herbs and crude plant extracts are to be respected

and appreciated.  

================================================================================



The world health organization has estimated that perhaps as 80 % of the more

then four billion world population rely on herbal medicines. This widespread

use of herbal medicines is not restricted to third world countries as it has

been estimated that 30 to 50 % of all medical doctors in France and Germany

rely exclusively on herbal preparations as their primary medicines. So why

aren't herbs more appreciated in the United States.?  

 

Because a natural product can not be patented, drug companies prefer to develop

synthetic substances as medicines.Nonetheless, it is a generally known fact

that for the past 30 years about 25 % of all known prescription drugs in the

U.S. have contained active constituents obtained from plants.  

 

One of the great fallacies promoted by the United States medical establishment

has been that there is no firm scientific evidence for the use of many natural

therapies, including herbal medicine.  This assertion is simply not true.  In

fact, during the last 10 to 20 years there has been a literal explosion of

scientific information concerning plants, crude extracts, and nutritional 

substances from plants as medicinal agents. 

================================================================================



Editor: Sherryl Lynne Bergkvist     E-mail:  maeve@PProject.com

913 E. Halcyon Rd.                  The Phoenix Project (520) 571-8057

Tucson, AZ  85719-2124              *Free Online Catalog upon request*



 



 



  



 

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---

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Controling mint

From: pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca (Pat Gootjes)

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 15:27:51 LOCAL



PLanted a bunch of different mints last year, and        I notice now that the 

plants have developed tons of little runners, which are everywhere! I like 

mint n'all and commend them for their tenacity, but is their a way to curb 

their tendency to dominate the garden?



Thanks,

pat.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Controling mint

From: jacobite@aol.com (Jacobite)

Date: 10 May 1995 22:56:49 -0400



Sorry but nothing can control mint!  The best you can hope for is to guide

it where you might want it.  Pull it up runner and all(save these give

them away plant them in a place nothing grows ect!) where it is a problem.

 It makes good ground cover in some places smells good can't hardly kill

it.  Good luck

jacobite@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Controling mint

From: moreta@prostar.com (Moreta)

Date: 10 May 95 20:01:38 PDT



there are a couple of things you can do.. I have an area that I just plant 

mints.. and let them run.. ;>  (I know you didn't want to hear that hahaha) 

What I  have done in the past, is get some of those 5 gallon plastic 

buckets from a resturant punched holes in the bottom for drainage (using a 

hot nail, gloves required and a pair of pliers to hold the nail helps 

immensely ;> ) Dig a hole for the bucket, bury it up to about the lower 

ring on the side, fill in around the bucket, then fill with potting soil or 

your extra dirt then plant the mint into the buckets.  it seems to keep 

them fairly well controlled.. you do  need to pull them up every couple of 

years cut off the bottom half of roots etc and refill it with dirt/potting 

mixture but it does work to control them.  

 The other thing is if you can find them.. and have the space. Get some 

chimney liners.. usually you can get the chipped ones fairly cheap, and if 

you have a lot of residential construction going on in your area, you can 

usually get them free.. basicly you can either do the same thing as with 

the buckets or, if you have the area.. and can get several of them, line 

them along a driveway or in a parking area of your residense fill with dirt 

and plant them in that.. same goes with broken pipes if they aren't too 

terribly large. 

The other thing that I know people have done is give them a section of the 

lawn area, and just mow them when you mow the grass. I  prefer the ones 

above rather than this one, but then I use my mints in herbal preps and 

teas, and it tends to be hard to harvest them when they are 1-2 inches high 

;>  even though it does smell nice ;> 



Mo

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Controling mint

From: vhlushak@awinc.com (Vic Hlushak)

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 21:06:44 PST



In article <pgootjes.24.000CB918@julian.uwo.ca>, pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca 

says...

>

>PLanted a bunch of different mints last year, and        I notice now 

that the 

>plants have developed tons of little runners, which are everywhere! I 

like 

>mint n'all and commend them for their tenacity, but is their a way to 

curb 

>their tendency to dominate the garden?

>

>Thanks,

>pat.

>



You can put them into large pots or digin a barrier about a foot deep 

around the mint.  Mint is _very_ hard to control!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Controling mint

From: annkin@aloha.net (Ann Kinsinger)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 17:21:38 GMT



pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca (Pat Gootjes) wrote:



>PLanted a bunch of different mints last year, 

(snip)

> is their a way to curb their tendency to dominate the garden?



Easiest: Plant them in pots.  Otherwise you can try putting barriers

up around them, be sure they extend several inches into the ground.

Persistent little suckers, aren't they?



aloha,

Ann

--

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Controling mint

From: janetm@online1.magnus1.com (Bulletin board login)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 23:06:36 GMT



Pat Gootjes (pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca) wrote:

: PLanted a bunch of different mints last year, and      I notice now that the 

: plants have developed tons of little runners, which are everywhere! I like 

: mint n'all and commend them for their tenacity, but is their a way to curb 

: their tendency to dominate the garden?



: Thanks,

: pat.



Pat -



I always keep my mints in large containers.  It's the only way I know of

keeping them from going where you don't want them to go.



Cheers,

Janet Morrissey

janetm@online1.magnus1.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Controling mint

From: pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca (Pat Gootjes)

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 03:01:16 LOCAL



Thank you all for the tips on mint. I think it's fair to say: Get thee into 

pots, mint!



Cheers,

pat.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Controling mint

From: AC55@vm.acs.unt.edu

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 10:19:54 CDT



My Dad used to grow mint in our flower beds.  To

keep it in control, he'd cut both ends out of a

coffee can and sink it in the bed, then plant

the mint in the confines of the can and it couldn't

spread.

 

Catherine Hardy

AC55@vm.acs.unt.edu

University of North Texas









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Controling mint

From: ()

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 15:07:20 GMT



pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca (Pat Gootjes) wrote:



>PLanted a bunch of different mints last year, and	 I notice now that the 

>plants have developed tons of little runners, which are everywhere! I like 

>mint n'all and commend them for their tenacity, but is their a way to curb 

>their tendency to dominate the garden?



>Thanks,

>pat.



plant them in planters as opposed to in the garden itself.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Controling mint

From: maruca@cpcn.com (la madrugadora)

Date: 13 May 1995 04:01:00 GMT



Why not simply harvest it frequently? Should you be sharing your wealth?

Think of all the people you know who would love a load of fresh mint!

Matter of fact, dig up some of those runners, plop em in a coffee can

and make somebody a happy adoptive parent.

(Can you tell I think mints are a blessing?)

maruca la madrugadora

(who is still searching for orrir root oil. many catalogues have been

promised, but none have arrived. sigh)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aztec Sweet Herb???

From: melichm@aol.com (MELICHM)

Date: 10 May 1995 09:07:34 -0400



It is a viney herb whose leaves and flower nodes are intensely sweet when

you chew them. They are an excellent substitute for sweetners in teas. The

vine grows profusely in the warm weather and can drape down to the floor

>from  a hanging basket, about 5 feet.

Personally, I have to wonder about any allergies associated with this

plant. The smell is so strong that I can see alot of watery eyes as a

result of rubbing and sniffing it. As far as consuming it, I have heard no

warnings.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Willow bark -extracting salicylin

From: ahb995@aber.ac.uk (ANNA HE BAIK)

Date: 10 May 1995 15:18:46 +0100





Does the amount of salicylin in willow bark vary according to what time of

year it is? I'm asking because my chemistry tutor tried to extract salicylic

acid from some last year (she was thinking of setting it as an assignment) 

and got next to nothing out of a large potful of willow twigs. Any ideas?

How do you make tea from willow bark? Just steep it, or do you stick it in

alcohol? 



swsus,

yon





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Willow bark -extracting salicylin

From: kathjokl@aol.com (Kathjokl)

Date: 11 May 1995 00:39:12 -0400



According to the British Herbal Compendium salicin is highest in the

spring and summer, lowest in the winter.  The amount of salicin varies a

great deal depending on the species used.  Salix alba or white willow is

common used but does not have a very high salicin content 0.5 - 1%.  Some

species have even less or none.  The salicin rich species used most in

Europe are S. purpurea (6.1 - 8.5%), S. daphnoides (4.9 - 8.4%) and S.

fragilis (3.9 - 10.2%).





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Willow bark -extracting salicylin

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 08:26:09 -0700



In article <3os4dh$683@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, kathjokl@aol.com (Kathjokl)

wrote:



> According to the British Herbal Compendium salicin is highest in the

> spring and summer, lowest in the winter.  The amount of salicin varies a

> great deal depending on the species used.  Salix alba or white willow is

> common used but does not have a very high salicin content 0.5 - 1%.  Some

> species have even less or none.  The salicin rich species used most in

> Europe are S. purpurea (6.1 - 8.5%), S. daphnoides (4.9 - 8.4%) and S.

> fragilis (3.9 - 10.2%).



                  The highest amounts of salicyates are in the ones that

are being attacked by bugs. In a Scientific American,  a few years back

they printed an article  about plant protection , salicyates are the

willows way of protecting itself. In response to attack the willow

produces more salicyate.

                                                                                                                              

Sharon Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Willow bark -extracting salicylin

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 14 May 95 23:16:22 PST



In message ID <3oqi06$f4b@osfa.aber.ac.uk> on 5/10/95, ANNA HE BAIK

<ahb995@aber.ac.uk> wrote:



: Does the amount of salicylin in willow bark vary according to what

: time of year it is? I'm asking because my chemistry tutor tried to

: extract salicylic acid from some last year (she was thinking of

: setting it as an assignment)  and got next to nothing out of a large

: potful of willow twigs. Any ideas? How do you make tea from willow

: bark? Just steep it, or do you stick it in alcohol? 

: 

: swsus,

: yon



Almost all plant chemicals vary by season, by time of day, and by plant. These

factors ARE predictable to a great degree, though. This may also be a problem of

the definition of 'bark.' In the case of cinnamon, for instance, it is the inner

bark that contains the flavor. The outer cork is discarded.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Willow bark -extracting salicylin

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Tue, 16 May 95 09:39:00 EST



>Almost all plant chemicals vary by season, by time of day, and by plant. The

>factors ARE predictable to a great degree, though. This may also be a proble

>f

>the definition of 'bark.' In the case of cinnamon, for instance, it is the i

>r

>bark that contains the flavor. The outer cork is discarded.



You are correct.  It's the inner white bark of the willow that the pain

reliever is extracted from.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for pleurisy

From: placbv@bremner.uct.ac.za

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 15:06:19 GMT



Can anyone give some advice on readily available herbs for treating 

pleurisy (type of debilitating lung infection causing PAINFUL coughing)?



Back to Eden recommends cayenne pepper (capsicin) poultice, which sounds 

really messy, plus ingestion of cayenne pepper.  I can only find the  

"irradiated" variety, will this still work?



Please respond if you have had dealings with this specific illness.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: placbv@bremner.uct.ac.za

Subject: Re: Herbs for pleurisy

From: Cathy <Cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 11 May 1995 00:56:39 GMT



I have suffered from pleurisy in the past.  I still get an occasional 

attack, but not very often.  It is very painful.  I have had great 

success with pleuresy root and pleurisy root commercial blends.  Pleurisy 

root is an off-white and bitter.  You can make some and keep it for a few 

days in the fridge and mix it with orange juice or some other 

complimentary tea (like mint) to mask the bitter taste.  I take the 

commercially available pleurisy root blend in capsule form when I need 

to.  I buy it at the local health food store.

 8-)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for pleurisy

From: gianine@nando.net (Gianine)

Date: 11 May 1995 10:48:52 -0400



 

I second your opinion about pleurisy root. I have used it for pneumonia

on myself and have given it to a friend for pleurisy. I have also used

elecampane. Both of these seem to be very useful for all respiratory

problems. The last time that I needed pleurisy root, which was for 

bronchitis this past winter, the health food store did not have any dried 

herb, but another store carried it in tincture form. This worked very 

well. The brand was Nature's Answer.



In article <3ornc7$ba7@news.tcd.net>, Cathy  <Cathy@tcd.net> wrote:

>I have suffered from pleurisy in the past.  I still get an occasional 

>attack, but not very often.  It is very painful.  I have had great 

>success with pleuresy root and pleurisy root commercial blends.  Pleurisy 

>root is an off-white and bitter.  You can make some and keep it for a few 

>days in the fridge and mix it with orange juice or some other 

>complimentary tea (like mint) to mask the bitter taste.  I take the 

>commercially available pleurisy root blend in capsule form when I need 

>to.  I buy it at the local health food store.

> 8-)

>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for pleurisy

From: ()

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:55:24 GMT



placbv@bremner.uct.ac.za wrote:



>Can anyone give some advice on readily available herbs for treating 

>pleurisy (type of debilitating lung infection causing PAINFUL coughing)?



>Back to Eden recommends cayenne pepper (capsicin) poultice, which sounds 

>really messy, plus ingestion of cayenne pepper.  I can only find the  

>"irradiated" variety, will this still work?



>Please respond if you have had dealings with this specific illness.



Hmm...I know there is something out there called pleurisy root, my

aunt made a tea for me when I had pleurisy as a child. Luckily, I have

not had a reoccurance of it. I know, it's horrible. I think she also

used eachinacea and goldenseal in the tea. (It tasted AWFUL, but hey,

it worked.)



however, I was young and don't remember the exact measurements.



I checked in _The Herb Book_ by john lust and here is a couple of

recipes listed.



pleurisy root (4 parts)

spotted cranebill (3 parts)

licorice (3 parts) {Licorice can raise blood pressure however, so be

wary}

elder flowrs (2 parts)

bonest (2 parts)

Irish moss (1 part)



Boil 3/4 tsp mixture slowly in 3 cups water, covered; let stand for 10

minutes, and strain. Take 1 cup morning noon and night. sweeten with

honey if desired.



other recipe is this



anise seed 2 parts

camomile flowers 3 parts

nettle  5 parts

coltsfoot leaves and flowers 5 parts



steep 4 tsp in 1 1/2 cups boiling hot water. take 1 1/2 cups a day

sweeteend with honey, warm, in mouthful doses.



Hope this helps





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for pleurisy

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 07:55:56 -0700



In article <placbv.13.2FB0D66B@bremner.uct.ac.za>,

placbv@bremner.uct.ac.za wrote:



> Can anyone give some advice on readily available herbs for treating 

> pleurisy (type of debilitating lung infection causing PAINFUL coughing)?

> 

> Back to Eden recommends cayenne pepper (capsicin) poultice, which sounds 

> really messy, plus ingestion of cayenne pepper.  I can only find the  

> "irradiated" variety, will this still work?

> 

> Please respond if you have had dealings with this specific illness.



    I have no experence using cayenne pepper for pleurisy, but a couple of

years ago a friend of mine had pleurisy.   We used a taro root plaster

with a little ginger added, she also took osha, pleurisy root, and 

vitamins C, B&A, with a large dose of REST.         S. Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for pleurisy

From: kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

Date: 13 May 1995 15:10:47 GMT





Greetings!

  There are many herbs which are useful  for pleurisy.  In 

parrticular, Pleurisy Root can really help.  Marshmallow can

soothe the irritation, Mullein leaf can help you bring up

the phlegm, Ephedra (not too much please) can help open up

the clogged passages, and Licorice root will tone the lungs.

A tea madde from all of these would be a good idea; drink it

three times daily.

Bright Blessings,

Kamala

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Survey of CHronic Pain Relief Techniques

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 10 May 1995 15:08:10 GMT



Am surveying the NET for successful techniques to relieve chronic

muscle pain. Please E Mail me what has worked for you. Can be

diet,exercise,nutrition,meditation etc. Please send details. Am

compiling onformation for weekly posting and eventually a faq. Please

see posting issued earlier under partial results of survey for

techniques to relieve pain. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Survey of CHronic Pain Relief Techniques

From: psycheman@aol.com (PsycheMan)

Date: 13 May 1995 09:23:41 -0400



Please send results, or access to results to: PsycheMan@AOL.COM or Box

4465 Boynton Bch Fl. 33424. My wife suffers from fybromyalgia and

myofascial syndrome, resultant from an auto accident. Permanent chronic

pain and muscle spasm. No cure.



Thanks



TL





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: weak immune system

From: ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Janelle Akin)

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:17:35 GMT





Hi all, I was hoping someone out there could help me with a problem my

sister is having.  It seems she has been sick a *lot* lately.  Not serious

illness, just a cold here, light case of bronchitis there, occasionally

strep throat, then another cold, perhaps the flu a week or so later...you

get the idea.  She is newly married, and this is frusterating to both her

and her new husband.  She has been missing a lot of work, and generally

getting annoyed.  She asked me what I recommended, and I told her the

following: lots of vitamin C; NO caffine; when healthy, make sure you

excercise; drink your eight glasses of water a day; make sure to get all

your daily vitamins; reduce unhealthy food intake and increase healthy food

intake...just a lot of "duh" stuff. 

I was wondering if anyone had anything more specific I could tell her.

Thanks in advance!

-Janelle Akin

ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

-- 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

Subject: Re: weak immune system

From: Cathy <Cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 11 May 1995 01:01:13 GMT



Sounds like you gave your sister good advice.  Along with all that, she 

can take echinacea and/or myrrh in whatever form she can handle.  

Echinacea tends to be "earthy" tasting and myrrh is very bitter.  I choke 

down mine in tincture form .5 teaspoon three times a day when I am 

feeling sick.  I find if I take it just when the symptoms first begin it 

is more effective.  I do not use it as a preventative medicine.  Your 

advice is better to prevent illness.



It may be possible that her illnesses are stress related.  Adjusting to 

life with a new individual can be very stressful.  Even when you are very 

much in love and have known the personal for a while.  Perhaps she will 

feel better when she is adjusted to her new life.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: weak immune system

From: tbedell@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Tracy Bedell)

Date: 10 May 95 22:00:36 CDT



In article <1995May10.151735.4629@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>,

ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Janelle Akin) wrote:



> Hi all, I was hoping someone out there could help me with a problem my

> sister is having.  It seems she has been sick a *lot* lately.  Not serious

> illness, just a cold here, light case of bronchitis there, occasionally

> strep throat, then another cold, perhaps the flu a week or so later...you

> get the idea.  She is newly married, and this is frusterating to both her

> and her new husband.  She has been missing a lot of work, and generally

> getting annoyed.  She asked me what I recommended, and I told her the

> following: lots of vitamin C; NO caffine; when healthy, make sure you

> excercise; drink your eight glasses of water a day; make sure to get all

> your daily vitamins; reduce unhealthy food intake and increase healthy food

> intake...just a lot of "duh" stuff. 

> I was wondering if anyone had anything more specific I could tell her.

> Thanks in advance!

> -Janelle Akin

> ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu



Janelle...

I have a very weak immune system. I was always getting colds and having

troubles with upper respiratory infections. It seemed like every month I

was having to go to the doctor for shots of Lincocin and Celestone.



My mother told me about taking Echinacea. It has made a world of

difference. I got the liquid kind and put 10 drops in my morning juice. I

noticed this was the first year in many, many that I did not get the flu

when it was going around. I got minor sniffles, but nothing like in the 

past. I credit it all to taking my Echinacea everyday. I also take Vitamin

C... but the Echinacea works for me.



Let me know if you have any luck with this. The liquid form is the

recommended dosage.. sometimes companies put fillers in the pill stuff.

THe liquid is the purest form.



Tracy

> --





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: weak immune system

From: amaclir@unibase.unibase.com (Aine Maclir)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 22:50:20 GMT



ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Janelle Akin) wrote:





>Hi all, I was hoping someone out there could help me with a problem my

>sister is having.  It seems she has been sick a *lot* lately.  Not serious

>illness, just a cold here, light case of bronchitis there, occasionally

>strep throat, then another cold, perhaps the flu a week or so later...you

>get the idea.  She is newly married, and this is frusterating to both her

>and her new husband.  She has been missing a lot of work, and generally

>getting annoyed.  She asked me what I recommended, and I told her the

>following: lots of vitamin C; NO caffine; when healthy, make sure you

>excercise; drink your eight glasses of water a day; make sure to get all

>your daily vitamins; reduce unhealthy food intake and increase healthy food

>intake...just a lot of "duh" stuff. 

>I was wondering if anyone had anything more specific I could tell her.



Sounds like me.  I have CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune Deficiency

Syndrome).



In any case, things that will help strengthen her immune system are

garlic, echinacea and evening primrose oil.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: weak immune system

From: janetm@online1.magnus1.com (Janet Morrissey)

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:18:49 GMT



ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Janelle Akin) writes:

> 

> Hi all, I was hoping someone out there could help me with a problem my

> sister is having.  It seems she has been sick a *lot* lately.  Not serious

> illness, just a cold here, light case of bronchitis there, occasionally

> strep throat, then another cold, perhaps the flu a week or so later...you

> get the idea.  She is newly married, and this is frusterating to both her

> and her new husband.  She has been missing a lot of work, and generally

> getting annoyed.  She asked me what I recommended, and I told her the

> following: lots of vitamin C; NO caffine; when healthy, make sure you

> excercise; drink your eight glasses of water a day; make sure to get all

> your daily vitamins; reduce unhealthy food intake and increase healthy food

> intake...just a lot of "duh" stuff. 

> I was wondering if anyone had anything more specific I could tell her.

> Thanks in advance!

> -Janelle Akin

> ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

> -- 



This is all very good advice.  One thing I wondered, did her new husband

come with a new place to live?  If so, could there be something in the

new environment that she is allergic to?  Allergies don't always 

manifest in the classic symtoms of sneezing and watery eyes.  I have

cronic sinus infections brought on by allergies and I also have

a lot of respiratory problems that are made much worse by things like

dust mites and mold spores.  It might be something to check out.



Cheers,

Janet Morrissey



       +-----------------------------@--------------------------------+

       |  Janet Morrissey            @     The Truth is Out There     |

       |  "Mostly Harmless"          @          Trust No One          |

       |  janetm@online.magnus1.com  @         Deny Everything        |

       +-----------------------------@--------------------------------+





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: weak immune system

From: jeanie@gate.net (jeanie huppert)

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 18:16:02



In article <D8GyFF.AMA@online.magnus1.com> janetm@online1.magnus1.com (Janet Morrissey) writes:



>ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Janelle Akin) writes:

>> 

>> Hi all, I was hoping someone out there could help me with a problem my

>> sister is having.  It seems she has been sick a *lot* lately.  Not serious

>> illness, just a cold here, light case of bronchitis there, occasionally

>> strep throat, then another cold, perhaps the flu a week or so later...you

>> get the idea.  She is newly married, and this is frusterating to both her

>> and her new husband.  She has been missing a lot of work, and generally

>> getting annoyed.  She asked me what I recommended, and I told her the

>> following: lots of vitamin C; NO caffine; when healthy, make sure you

>> excercise; drink your eight glasses of water a day; make sure to get all

>> your daily vitamins; reduce unhealthy food intake and increase healthy food

>> intake...just a lot of "duh" stuff. 

>> I was wondering if anyone had anything more specific I could tell her.

>> Thanks in advance!

>> -Janelle Akin

>> ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

>> -- 



>This is all very good advice.  One thing I wondered, did her new husband

>come with a new place to live?  If so, could there be something in the

>new environment that she is allergic to?  Allergies don't always 

>manifest in the classic symtoms of sneezing and watery eyes.  I have

>cronic sinus infections brought on by allergies and I also have

>a lot of respiratory problems that are made much worse by things like

>dust mites and mold spores.  It might be something to check out.



Tell her to try Garlic.  Jeanie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: weak immune system

From: pfa@nwu.edu (Pat Anderson)

Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 16:46:37 -0500



ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Janelle Akin) writes:

> 

> Hi all, I was hoping someone out there could help me with a problem my

> sister is having.  It seems she has been sick a *lot* lately.  Not serious

> illness, just a cold here, light case of bronchitis there, occasionally

> strep throat, then another cold, perhaps the flu a week or so later...you

> get the idea.  She is newly married, and this is frusterating to both her

> and her new husband.  She has been missing a lot of work, and generally

> getting annoyed.  She asked me what I recommended, and I told her the

> following: lots of vitamin C; NO caffine; when healthy, make sure you

> excercise; drink your eight glasses of water a day; make sure to get all

> your daily vitamins; reduce unhealthy food intake and increase healthy food

> intake...just a lot of "duh" stuff. 

> I was wondering if anyone had anything more specific I could tell her.

> Thanks in advance!

> -Janelle Akin

> ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

> -- 



I agree with some other posters that this is a good approach to take.

Our family practitioner also prescribes certain herbs for this type

of case, and we have had occasions of needing them! For adults,

he prescribes Echinacea, and for infants Laryx. Both of these

are herbal preparations which serve as a non-specific immune

stimulant. This means that it helps your body fight things

off more strongly, but also that if you are suffering from an

autoimmune response (such as allergies) they will get worse.

I would, of course, wait on this sort of intervention until

seeing if a simple lifestyle change, such as you suggest, 

actually helps. Echinacea is generally available at herbal

suppliers. Laryx is, I believe, only available from one

supplier out in Oregon (Sandy Springs? -- info is at home)



FYI!



Pat Anderson



-- 

Pat Anderson, pfa@nwu.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: weak immune system

From: Frank Thompson <afn25124@freenet.ufl.edu>

Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 12:00:26 -0400



Janelle:



One of the old herbs (classified as a veg.), onion. Have her eat one raw 

small to medium onion every day. Preferably a sweet one like the 

Vidalia's. It isn't an apple, but it's colds or acquiring a taste for 

sweet onions. I am way up in years, to many to remember. It works.



Please acknowledge.

  



Franco T





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: weak immune system

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon, 15 May 95 22:41:14 PST



In message ID <1995May10.151735.4629@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> on 5/10/95,

Janelle Akin <ja008d@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> wrote:



: Hi all, I was hoping someone out there could help me with a problem my

: sister is having.  It seems she has been sick a *lot* lately.  Not

: serious illness, just a cold here, light case of bronchitis there,

: occasionally strep throat, then another cold, perhaps the flu a week

: or so later...you get the idea.  She is newly married, and this is

: frusterating to both her and her new husband.  She has been missing

: a lot of work, and generally getting annoyed.  She asked me what I

: recommended, and I told her the following: lots of vitamin C; NO

: caffine; when healthy, make sure you excercise; drink your eight

: glasses of water a day; make sure to get all your daily vitamins;

: reduce unhealthy food intake and increase healthy food intake...just

: a lot of "duh" stuff.  I was wondering if anyone had anything more

: specific I could tell her. Thanks in advance! -Janelle Akin



The fairly obvious factor is that she may be exhausting her Qi having sex.

Suggest she see an acupunturist.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: glucosamine sulfate / rhus tox

From: daronm@onramp.net (Lynda Miller)

Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 11:46:24 CST



In response to a post for help with my carpal tunnel and tendonitis, I 

received two responses, each person mentioning one of the above which has 

helped him/her.



Can someone give me more detail on what the above are and whether I can take 

one or both in conjunction with the anti-inflammatories I already take (e.g., 

Relafen).



Thanks.



Lynda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: glucosamine sulfate / rhus tox

From: tkeenan@uoguelph.ca (Timothy J Keenan)

Date: 10 May 1995 19:57:23 GMT



Lynda Miller (daronm@onramp.net) wrote:



: Can someone give me more detail on what the above are and whether I can take 

: one or both in conjunction with the anti-inflammatories I already take (e.g., 

: Relafen).



Just a second while I get *way* out on this electronic limb---



OK...I presume that "rhus tox" is some kind of rendering (name of a 

homeopathic remedy, perhaps?) of the old latin name for poison sumac 

(_Rhus_ _toxicodendron_) which is now classified in its own genus along 

with poison oak and poison ivy (_Toxicodendron_ _vernix_ and _T._ 

_radicans_).



FWIW, I doubt that there is much point in combining anti-inflammatories 

(especially if they are corticosteroids) with homeopathic remedies.  

Anyway, it is best to ask a naturopath if you really want to know.  You 

can get a lot of half-baked misinformation, otherwise.



-- Tim Keenan



Cliff Ecology Research Group

Botany Department

University of Guelph

Guelph, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: glucosamine sulfate / rhus tox

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 13:08:00 EST



>In response to a post for help with my carpal tunnel and tendonitis, I

>received two responses, each person mentioning one of the above which has

>helped him/her.

>

>Can someone give me more detail on what the above are and whether I can take

>one or both in conjunction with the anti-inflammatories I already take (e.g.

>Relafen).



Bromelain (250-500 mg per day between meals) has been shown to reduce all

inflammatory conditions regardless of their origin.  It is an active enzyme

of pineapple.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginseng question...

From: lj@panix.com (LJ)

Date: 10 May 1995 14:37:59 -0400



Posting for a friend:



I bought large chunks of ginseng root.  Each piece supposedly makes 8 

cups of tea.  The woman who sold it to me told me that I could reheat it 

and use it again, but when I try this, it's really disgusting.  Am I 

doing something wrong here?



She also said to eat it after boiling it a second time.  I am worried 

about boiling it-- does it change the chemical composition (or whatever) 

drastically?  Does it still do the same things?



Should I even eat the root?



Thanks--



nanci (lj's friend, but you can reply to her if you want)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng question...

From: sweeti@slip.net

Date: 12 May 1995 01:29:58 GMT



The root is perfectly safe to eat. In fact, it is better for you than the suppliments/etc. My family 

has been nibbling the roots for years and years. Just take it in nibbles..don't overdo it. Not that it 

may be bad for you in high doses, just that you don't need the higher dose..it is really nasty 

tasting (in my opinion) and heck, there isn't exactly an expiration date on the root. ;) 



I've never made the tea using the root.. We normally use the dried leaves for that. I know it 

tastes nasty with the leaves..so I can't even imaging trying to drink the root tea. ;)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng question...

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 16 May 95 07:47:59 PST



In message ID <3or167$i79@panix2.panix.com> on 5/10/95, LJ <lj@panix.com> wrote:



: Posting for a friend:

: 

: I bought large chunks of ginseng root.  Each piece supposedly makes 8 

: cups of tea.  The woman who sold it to me told me that I could reheat it 

: and use it again, but when I try this, it's really disgusting.  Am I 

: doing something wrong here?

: 

: She also said to eat it after boiling it a second time.  I am worried 

: about boiling it-- does it change the chemical composition (or

: whatever)  drastically?  Does it still do the same things?

: 

: Should I even eat the root?

: 

: Thanks--

: 

: nanci (lj's friend, but you can reply to her if you want)



People have been boiling (two or three times) ginseng for three thousand years. 

Not to worry.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng question...

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 17 May 1995 06:34:11 -0700



Paul Iannone (p_iannone@pop.com) wrote:

: In message ID <3or167$i79@panix2.panix.com> on 5/10/95, LJ <lj@panix.com> wrote:



: : Posting for a friend:

: : 

: : I bought large chunks of ginseng root.  Each piece supposedly makes 8 

: : cups of tea.  The woman who sold it to me told me that I could reheat it 

: : and use it again, but when I try this, it's really disgusting.  Am I 

: : doing something wrong here?

: : 

: : She also said to eat it after boiling it a second time.  I am worried 

: : about boiling it-- does it change the chemical composition (or

: : whatever)  drastically?  Does it still do the same things?

: : 

: : Should I even eat the root?

: : 

: : Thanks--

: : 

: : nanci (lj's friend, but you can reply to her if you want)



: People have been boiling (two or three times) ginseng for three thousand years. 

: Not to worry.



: --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



: --



Ginseng root is quite safe eaten raw (the Peterson guide I have on edible

wild plants recommends wild american ginseng as a trail nibble!) and when

preparing wild herbs, roots are always boiled... it's more effective than

brewing for bringing out medicinal essences.



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng question...

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 20 May 95 22:37:48 PST



In message ID <3pcu0j$f22@crl5.crl.com> on 5/17/95, Jennifer B. Jakiel

<jakiel@crl.com> wrote:



: Ginseng root is quite safe eaten raw (the Peterson guide I have on

: edible wild plants recommends wild american ginseng as a trail

: nibble!) and when preparing wild herbs, roots are always boiled...

: it's more effective than brewing for bringing out medicinal essences.

: 

: -j



If you did happen to find a Wild American ginseng, you should leave it right

where it is! Shame on Peterson. The plant is rare, and probably endangered

throughout its range.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I2vol1.pt2

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:01:08 EST







 

Issue II, Vol I          Pickle Creek Newsletter

Feb 95 part ii

================================================================================



SOIL AND LIGHT



Plan your herbal garden carefully according to the light and soil available in

your area.  Many herbs will grow in even the poorest soil.  Sage, Thyme

Rosemary, Chamomile, and Oregano are some of the herbs that can be grown in

rocky or sandy soil that are poor in nutrients in area's with bright sun.  If

you still feel that your garden area is too poor you can always change the

condition of your soil or grow your plants in containers.  Make sure to combine

herbs that like the same soil, water and light conditions and your garden will

flourish.



You can always prepare an entire bed with the right soil mix if you are

planning to grow a mixture of herbs requiring the same conditions.  The

existing soil should be removed 8-10 inches down and compost, lime, sand or

peat moss added the your existing soil to provide the correct mixture.  If the

plants have deeper roots, a raised bed can be added for additional root room.

Raised beds are also preferable if good drainage is needed or where you wish

the plant to be more visibly prominent.



SOIL MIXES

----------



SANDY WELL DRAINED



2 parts medium to course sand

1 part perlite

1 part potting soil or garden loam



AVERAGE SOIL



1 part potting soil or garden loam

1 part moist peat moss or compost

1 part sand or perlite



RICH MOIST MIX



1 part soil or garden loam

1 part moist peat moss or compost



WARNING:  Never use beach sand for your growing mixture.  It is too fine and

may contain salts which will kill your plant roots.  Sand can be obtained from

river banks, sand pits or garden supply stores.



Peat Moss is acidic.  If you are growing herbs that like alkalinity do not use

large amounts of peat.



Light conditions are harder to manipulate than soil conditions.  A fence,

arbor, vines on supports, hedges and trees provide different ways of changing

the light conditions for your herbs.  Choose different ways of providing shade

to change the quality of light required to grow your garden as well as to add

to the general beauty of your herb garden.



If there is too much shade, the existing trees and shrubs can be trimmed and/or

plant your herbs in tubs that can be regularly moved from light to shade.  This

can be done successfully but the herbs need to spend at least half their days

in a sunny spot so make sure that pots are small enough to be moved or are

placed on wheels.



If the plants are indoors, additional light can be added by placing grow lights

over the plants, although regular lamps and placing your plants in sunny spots

during sunny days to supplement light does have moderate success.

================================================================================



Editor: Sherryl Lynne Bergkvist     E-mail:  maeve@PProject.com

913 E. Halcyon Rd.                  The Phoenix Project (520) 571-8057

Tucson, AZ  85719-2124              *Free Online Catalog upon request*



 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I2vol1.pt1

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:01:09 EST







 

Issue II, Vol I          Pickle Creek Newsletter

Feb 95 part i



Notice to the reader:  The information contained in this newsletter is for

educational purposes only. It is not to be used to diagnose any ailment or

prescribe any remedy.  It is not meant to be used as a substitute for

professional help.  It is intended to set forth historical uses of natural

remedies.  A person should consult a duly approved health professional for any

condition which requires their services.  This information is not intended as a

substitute for qualified medical care. 

================================================================================



GROWING YOUR OWN HERBS



Growing your own herbs can be a satisfying experience.  You will be able to

keep a year round fresh supply and assure yourself that no unwanted chemicals

such as fertilizers and pesticides contaminate your product.  This can be

important for those with environmental sensitivity especially those with

environmental sensitivity.  This can be very significant if you are using herbs

for cooking or medicinal purposes.



We will attempt to help you to grow your own herbs from cuttings, seeds and

divisions of plants.  Herbs can be used for medicines, cooking, herbal

vinegars, oil for cooking, perfumes, baths and incense.  When growing your own

plants, keep in mind the uses for which you are growing your them so that you

will not underestimate how many plants you will need.  If you are oversupplied,

herbs can make wonderful gifts as tea's, oils, vinegars and dried for cooking,

medicinal and flower arrangements or wreaths.



Herb gardens can be planned much the same way as flower gardens.  Keep in mind

the plants colors, height, light and soil needs and foliage.  If you do not

have space for a garden, window boxes, flower pots and hanging baskets can make

a rich and varied decoration to the indoors or your porch.

 

Before you plant your herb garden, it is very important that you prepare the

soil first.  If planting outside, dig the ground up very well and remove any

unwanted rocks.  Add some sand to ensure good drainage, or dig a small trench,

put rocks in the lower half of the trench and add soil on top.

================================================================================



Editor: Sherryl Lynne Bergkvist     E-mail:  maeve@PProject.com

913 E. Halcyon Rd.                  The Phoenix Project (520) 571-8057

Tucson, AZ  85719-2124              *Free Online Catalog upon request*



 

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---

  Blue Wave/QWK v2.11 



--

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I2vol1.pt1

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 03:01:07 EST





 

Issue II, Vol I          Pickle Creek Newsletter

Feb 95 part i



Notice to the reader:  The information contained in this newsletter is for

educational purposes only. It is not to be used to diagnose any ailment or

prescribe any remedy.  It is not meant to be used as a substitute for

professional help.  It is intended to set forth historical uses of natural

remedies.  A person should consult a duly approved health professional for any

condition which requires their services.  This information is not intended as a

substitute for qualified medical care. 

================================================================================



GROWING YOUR OWN HERBS



Growing your own herbs can be a satisfying experience.  You will be able to

keep a year round fresh supply and assure yourself that no unwanted chemicals

such as fertilizers and pesticides contaminate your product.  This can be

important for those with environmental sensitivity especially those with

environmental sensitivity.  This can be very significant if you are using herbs

for cooking or medicinal purposes.



We will attempt to help you to grow your own herbs from cuttings, seeds and

divisions of plants.  Herbs can be used for medicines, cooking, herbal

vinegars, oil for cooking, perfumes, baths and incense.  When growing your own

plants, keep in mind the uses for which you are growing your them so that you

will not underestimate how many plants you will need.  If you are oversupplied,

herbs can make wonderful gifts as tea's, oils, vinegars and dried for cooking,

medicinal and flower arrangements or wreaths.



Herb gardens can be planned much the same way as flower gardens.  Keep in mind

the plants colors, height, light and soil needs and foliage.  If you do not

have space for a garden, window boxes, flower pots and hanging baskets can make

a rich and varied decoration to the indoors or your porch.

 

Before you plant your herb garden, it is very important that you prepare the

soil first.  If planting outside, dig the ground up very well and remove any

unwanted rocks.  Add some sand to ensure good drainage, or dig a small trench,

put rocks in the lower half of the trench and add soil on top.

================================================================================



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I2vol1.pt3

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:01:10 EST







 

Issue II, Vol I        Pickle Creek Newsletter

Feb 95 part iii



================================================================================



PLANTING FROM SEEDS



With patience, seeds can successfully be sown to grow your own seedlings.  The

seed bed should always be kept moist while the seeds are sprouting.  The

germination process can be halted and the sprouts die if the seeds dry out.



The best growth mix for sprouting is the average mix or the sandy mix.  A seed

box should be prepared carefully.  Fill the box to at least 1/2 inch from the

top for ease in watering.  Place the box on a level surface to avoid accidental

over watering.  It is recommended that sprouting trays should be kept in a

sheltered area to prevent rain or too much sun from damaging the sprouts.   

Furrows are made in the sprouting tray and the seeds can be sown in the

furrows.  Cover the furrows carefully making sure that the soil is light and

fine with no hard lumps by rubbing the soil through the hands and sifting over

the seeds.  Pat down the soil firmly and moisten the soil carefully to prevent

disturbing the soil.



Another good way to sprout seeds is using foam egg cartons.  Make sure the

cartons are very clean before use.  Place soil in the cups, put 2-3 seeds in

each cup and cover the seeds with soil be very careful about watering as the

cups have no drainage.  Over watering can be a hazard with this method.  Place

the cups in a well lit area.

================================================================================



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I2vol1.pt3

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 03:01:08 EST





 

Issue II, Vol I        Pickle Creek Newsletter

Feb 95 part iii



================================================================================



PLANTING FROM SEEDS



With patience, seeds can successfully be sown to grow your own seedlings.  The

seed bed should always be kept moist while the seeds are sprouting.  The

germination process can be halted and the sprouts die if the seeds dry out.



The best growth mix for sprouting is the average mix or the sandy mix.  A seed

box should be prepared carefully.  Fill the box to at least 1/2 inch from the

top for ease in watering.  Place the box on a level surface to avoid accidental

over watering.  It is recommended that sprouting trays should be kept in a

sheltered area to prevent rain or too much sun from damaging the sprouts.   

Furrows are made in the sprouting tray and the seeds can be sown in the

furrows.  Cover the furrows carefully making sure that the soil is light and

fine with no hard lumps by rubbing the soil through the hands and sifting over

the seeds.  Pat down the soil firmly and moisten the soil carefully to prevent

disturbing the soil.



Another good way to sprout seeds is using foam egg cartons.  Make sure the

cartons are very clean before use.  Place soil in the cups, put 2-3 seeds in

each cup and cover the seeds with soil be very careful about watering as the

cups have no drainage.  Over watering can be a hazard with this method.  Place

the cups in a well lit area.

================================================================================



Editor: Sherryl Lynne Bergkvist     E-mail:  maeve@PProject.com

913 E. Halcyon Rd.                  The Phoenix Project (520) 571-8057

Tucson, AZ  85719-2124              *Free Online Catalog upon request*



 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I2vol1.pt4

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:01:11 EST







 

Issue II, Vol I          Pickle Creek Newsletter

Feb 95 part iv

================================================================================



CUTTINGS



You will need:



Clean course sand, a sharp stick, knitting needle or awl sharp scissors or

knife, containers for propagation, rooting powder.



Never let your cuttings wilt.  The cuttings must always be kept wet in a damp

cloth or place in water.



To prepare cuttings, snip just below a leaf node using a sharp knife, or

scissors.  Keep the scissors or knife for gardening purposes to avoid bacterial

contamination.



The leaves should be stripped off in an upward direction or cut off to avoid

tearing the bark.  One third of the foliage should be left on the top.



Prepare your pots before preparing your cuttings.  Use clean coarse sand or the

sandy well drained mix, moistened.  Once you have prepared your cuttings, dip

1/2 inch of the end into rooting powder.  Make a hole in the sand using your

stick, shake off excess powder and put the cutting 1/3 of the way into the

hole.  You should have at least 2 or more leaf nodes covered.  Pack the 

cuttings close together and pack sand tightly.  Cutting must be watered every

day.



In cool climates, put the cuttings in a greenhouse, conservatory, or a glass

house.  You can make one by cutting a sheet of glass, plexiglass, or heavy

gauge plastic over a box, or make a 2 x 8 frame.  Make sure the glass or

plexiglass has been painted with white wash to prevent your plants from being

sun scorched.



When the plants have rooted well, they can be planted into the ground, but

better results can be gotten if the herbs are grown in separate pots in

indirect sunlight a lightly shaded area for several weeks before planting them

in the ground.



WARNING:  Rooting powder is poisonous.  Always keep rooting powder out of reach

of children and avoid putting your hands near your face while using the powder.





PLANT DIVISION



Another good way of propagating plants is to pull apart roots of plants that

have rhizomes (tubular roots) or cormes (bulbous roots).  This will create many

smaller plants that will in time be big enough to redivide.  You can also

choose plants that have roots that sprout at the base or have runners growing

>from  them.  First dig up or unpot the mother plant and rinse the roots very

carefully in warm water.  Make sure that the water is just above tepid.  Cold

water can shock the roots and cause the plant to die.



If the plant has runners you do not have to dig up the mother plant simply

remove the runner root and stalk then replant.  Repot or replant the herb

carefully in a prepared pot or hole, according to the planting soil needs.



If none of these methods of obtaining herbs are available to you, most garden

shops and nurseries have potted herbs available.   This is of course the

easiest way to initially start your herb garden.  Good luck in your endeavors

to become an experienced herbal gardener.



*** ATTENTION ALL HOLISTIC WRITERS *** We are taking material for our upcoming

Pickle Creek Newsletter, please feel free to send us material dealing with the

subjects of Herbals, Vitmains minerals, healing, herblore, folktales, and

short stories.  Please send all articles as text format.



Looking forward to hearing from you.



If you would like more information or have questions about organic herb/vitamin

compounds and their medicinal uses please write or E-mail:



Editor: Sherryl Lynne Bergkvist     E-mail:  maeve@PProject.com

913 E. Halcyon Rd.                  The Phoenix Project (520) 571-8057

Tucson, AZ  85719-2124              *Free Online Catalog upon request*



 



 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I2vol1.pt4

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 03:01:09 EST





 

Issue II, Vol I          Pickle Creek Newsletter

Feb 95 part iv

================================================================================



CUTTINGS



You will need:



Clean course sand, a sharp stick, knitting needle or awl sharp scissors or

knife, containers for propagation, rooting powder.



Never let your cuttings wilt.  The cuttings must always be kept wet in a damp

cloth or place in water.



To prepare cuttings, snip just below a leaf node using a sharp knife, or

scissors.  Keep the scissors or knife for gardening purposes to avoid bacterial

contamination.



The leaves should be stripped off in an upward direction or cut off to avoid

tearing the bark.  One third of the foliage should be left on the top.



Prepare your pots before preparing your cuttings.  Use clean coarse sand or the

sandy well drained mix, moistened.  Once you have prepared your cuttings, dip

1/2 inch of the end into rooting powder.  Make a hole in the sand using your

stick, shake off excess powder and put the cutting 1/3 of the way into the

hole.  You should have at least 2 or more leaf nodes covered.  Pack the 

cuttings close together and pack sand tightly.  Cutting must be watered every

day.



In cool climates, put the cuttings in a greenhouse, conservatory, or a glass

house.  You can make one by cutting a sheet of glass, plexiglass, or heavy

gauge plastic over a box, or make a 2 x 8 frame.  Make sure the glass or

plexiglass has been painted with white wash to prevent your plants from being

sun scorched.



When the plants have rooted well, they can be planted into the ground, but

better results can be gotten if the herbs are grown in separate pots in

indirect sunlight a lightly shaded area for several weeks before planting them

in the ground.



WARNING:  Rooting powder is poisonous.  Always keep rooting powder out of reach

of children and avoid putting your hands near your face while using the powder.



PLANT DIVISION



Another good way of propagating plants is to pull apart roots of plants that

have rhizomes (tubular roots) or cormes (bulbous roots).  This will create many

smaller plants that will in time be big enough to redivide.  You can also

choose plants that have roots that sprout at the base or have runners growing

from them.  First dig up or unpot the mother plant and rinse the roots very

carefully in warm water.  Make sure that the water is just above tepid.  Cold

water can shock the roots and cause the plant to die.



If the plant has runners you do not have to dig up the mother plant simply

remove the runner root and stalk then replant.  Repot or replant the herb

carefully in a prepared pot or hole, according to the planting soil needs.



If none of these methods of obtaining herbs are available to you, most garden

shops and nurseries have potted herbs available.   This is of course the

easiest way to initially start your herb garden.  Good luck in your endeavors

to become an experienced herbal gardener.



*** ATTENTION ALL HOLISTIC WRITERS *** We are taking material for our upcoming

Pickle Creek Newsletter, please feel free to send us material dealing with the

subjects of Herbals, Vitmains minerals, healing, herblore, folktales, and

short stories.  Please send all articles as text format.



Looking forward to hearing from you.



If you would like more information or have questions about organic herb/vitamin

compounds and their medicinal uses please write or E-mail:



Editor: Sherryl Lynne Bergkvist     E-mail:  maeve@PProject.com

913 E. Halcyon Rd.                  The Phoenix Project (520) 571-8057

Tucson, AZ  85719-2124              *Free Online Catalog upon request*



 



 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Where to find herbs?

From: melichm@aol.com (MELICHM)

Date: 10 May 1995 18:40:57 -0400



BB



Be cautious when you recommend eating queen anns lace....it can be

mistaken for hemlock root - DEADLY POISON.

Queen anns lace is distinguished by it's tiny black flower in the middle

of the bloom.



take care   E Fitz Smith





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Southeastern School of Herbal Studies

From: melichm@aol.com (MELICHM)

Date: 10 May 1995 18:56:38 -0400



Three Weekend Herbal Retreats in Valle Crucis North Carolina:



Introduction to Herb Medicine

June 2-4 1995

David Hoffman and Tieraona Klar Low Dog



Herbal Pediatric Care

July 14-16 1995

Mary Bove, Pheobe Line and Rebecca Welborne



Summer's Grand Herbal Finale!

September 1-4 1995

Rosemary Gladstar and David Winston



Weed walks and excellent Herb talks also...



Contact Catherine McCormick  SSHS director at



Route 2 Box 581

Walterboro SC 29488

803-538-3505





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 10 May 95 15:29:47 PST



In message ID <3oas6h$gua@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> on 5/4/95, J.Lin

<jlin@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> wrote:



: : >In a previous posting, WAYNE MITCHELL (wam144@ix.netcom.com) writes:

: : >>      Looking for remedies for Psoriasis.

: : >>      Much appreciated.

: : >

: : > Kombucha will cause psoriasis to completely disappear.  A herbal 

: : customer of mine purchased the Kombucha from me and she called me tonight 

: : to tell me that her lifelong bout with psosriasis is now finally over 

: : thanks to kombucha. You don't need any doctors. 

: 

: 

: I have psoriasis too, and have taking Kombucha tea for over 4

: monthes,  psoriasis still there, sometimes even worse .  any idea ?

: 

: Johnny



The idea that Kombucha is going to root out a deep-seated illness like psoriasis

is utterly naive. Any kind of treatment can alter a symptom in the short-run.

But psoriasis is like a weed living in your garden. Cut off the leaves, the root

just gets bigger. 



Study homeopathic miasmatic theory if you wish to understand this complaint.

George Vithoulkas' "The Science of Homeopathy" is an excellent read on

homeopathic medicine in general.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





==========

Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 11:59:00 EST



>The idea that Kombucha is going to root out a deep-seated illness like psori

>s

>is utterly naive. Any kind of treatment can alter a symptom in the short-run

>But psoriasis is like a weed living in your garden. Cut off the leaves, the 

>t

>just gets bigger.



Kombucha has become a panacea for every malady to strike mankind!  It's not

a miracle cure you know!  But the tea is very effective at helping the body

to eliminate toxins and that's why so many people have had success with it.



You might try applying (singularly or in combination) the essential oil of

carrot, chamomile, clary-sage and yarrow.  Dilute these oils with almond or

jojoba oil and use 2x day on the affected areas.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chromium??

From: YOUNG@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (STEPHEN YOUNG)

Date: 10 May 1995 23:45:10 GMT



Could some one please tell me what the difference between Chromium picoinate

and Chromium GTF.

I seem to remember once hearing that Chromium Picoinate was better form then

Chromium GTF.

Why is this? Is this true?

Thanks,

Stephen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chromium??

From: ntapiero@acs.ryerson.ca (Neev Tapiero - CNED/P94)

Date: 11 May 1995 05:00:19 GMT



: Could some one please tell me what the difference between Chromium picoinate

: and Chromium GTF.

: I seem to remember once hearing that Chromium Picoinate was better form then

: Chromium GTF.

: Why is this? Is this true?



I seem to recall that GTF is used to control insulin dependant diabetics.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chromium??

From: patscott@bcarhd46.bnr.ca (Patricia Scott)

Date: 16 May 1995 17:42:54 GMT



In article <3orj66$6vs@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca>, YOUNG@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (STEPHEN YOUNG) writes:

|> Could some one please tell me what the difference between Chromium picoinate

|> and Chromium GTF.

|> I seem to remember once hearing that Chromium Picoinate was better form then

|> Chromium GTF.

|> Why is this? Is this true?

|> Thanks,

|> Stephen



These are some articles and references that were posted on the misc.health.diabetes bulliton board.  They should give you a good idea

about the differences.



Article: 11081 of misc.health.diabetes

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tlock.mindspring.com!allen.mindspring.com!allen 

From: allen@mindspring.com (Michael R. Bates) 

Newsgroups: misc.health.diabetes 

Subject: CHROMEMATE vs Picolinate 

Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 10:21:32 -0400 

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Chromium is an essential trace mineral required for normal protein, fat and carbohydrate metabolism.  Research 

shows that the typical American diet is low in chromium, and that chromium supplements can often help control 

bloodsugar and lower cholesterol. Chromium supplements work, in part, by activating the hormone insulin.  But not 

all chromium ingredients are alike.  The specific chemical structure and composition of thechromium complex 

determines how effective it will be. There are many forms of dietary chromium.  These vary in bioavailability 

(absorption and retention) and biological activity (ability to potentiate insulin).  Inorganic chromium such as 

chromium chloride is poorly absorbed (0.5-2%) and has little effect on insulin because it must first be converted 

into a biologically active form, which the body has a limited ability to do. The two most popular forms of organic 

chromium are niacin-bound chromium (also called chromium Polynicotinate) and chromium picolinate.  

     Although picolinate and polynicotinate sound alike, thereare striking differences between the two compounds. 

Introduced in 1988, chromium picolinate became popular when a scientist from a Midwestern collegereported that 

it increased lean body mass in male athletes.  It is currentlybeing promoted as a biologically active form of 

chromium that reduces bodyfat, builds muscle and increases life span. Chromium Polynicotinate is actually a family 

of niacin-bound chromium compounds.  One high-potency, oxygen-coordinated complex called ChromeMate was 

introduced in 1986. ChromeMate was developed based on the landmark research of Dr. Walter Mertz, discoverer of 

biologically active chromium. Dr. Mertz, former director of the USDA's Human Nutrition Research Center, 

identified a chromium-niacin complex as the active chromium ingredient in Brewer's yeast, the richest source of 

biologically active chromium in nature. Dr. Mertz showed that niacin-bound chromium strongly potentiates insulin 

- romiumost vital function - while chromium picolinate does not.     Niacin-bound chromium in the form of 

ChromeMate is also more bioavailable than chromium pinate.  A recent animal study at the University of California 

found thatChromeMate was absorbed and retained up to 311% better than chromium picolinate and 672% better 

than chromium chloride.  Such high bioavailability means that romeMate can delivermore of the benefits that 

chromium has to offer. ChromeMate also has the advantage of  being complexed withniacin, an essential B vitamin 

Generally Recognized as Safe by the FDA (GRAS).  Picolinic acid, the chromiumpicolinate, is not GRAS 

"Generally Recognized as Safe".  In fact, it is unclear what picolinic acid does inthe body.  To date, very little is 

known about its nutritional value orphysiological effects.  It is known that picolinic acid is a by-product of 

tryptophan metabolism found in the kidneys and liver.  However, its role in the body may be no more significant 

than that of urea, a by-product of protein metabolism also found in the kidneys and liver. Chromium picolinate 

provides the essential trace mineral chromium.  But at what cost? There is no evidence that chromium picolinate is 

a naturally occurring substance or has a normal physiological role. Continual supplementation with picolinate 

complexes in doses that exceed prudence may even be harmful.  Picolinic acid competes with niacin, removes iron 

>from  cells, and has been shown to alter normal glandular function in laboratory animals. One report states that"the 

documented toxicity of picolinate detracts from any therapeutic value it may have".



The Picolinate Myth



     How did chromium picolinate become so popular?  Through advertising and publicity.    In fact, virtually all the 

claims associated with the benefits of chromium picolinate originate from studies involving the product's inventor - 

who has a financial interest in the product! This conflict of interest has raised serious questions about the validity of 

the research and claims used to promote chromium picolinate.  One university study has already contradicted the 

claim that the product increases lean body mass in male athletes.  Researchers at Louisiana StateUniversity found 

that male athletes taking chromium picolinate (same dosage levels used in the inventor's original studies) actually 

gained less lean body mass than those taking a placebo.  Now, based on a small, questionable rat study, the inventor 

claims that chromium picolinate can increase the average lifespan of humans from 75 to 100 years of age!  No 

USDA Endorsement

     The claim that chromium picolinate is "patented by the U. S. Department of Agriculture" is also misleading.  

Like many government agencies, the USDA received this patent because theinventor was working there at the time 

he developed the product.  The fact is, the USDA does not endorse chromium picolinate for use in human nutrition.

Independent Research

     In contrast to chromium picolinate, claims about niacin-bound ChromeMate originate from studies performed at 

independent universities and government research centers.  Studies at Auburn Universit y have shown that 

ChromeMate lowers cholesterol in humans by 14%.  Laboratory tests at New Zealand's Massey University have 

shown that ChromeMate's unique patented oxygen-coordinated chromium-niacin complex is 18 times more potent 

than other formsof niacin-bound chromium.



If interested in products that contain ChromeMate e-mail me. at: allen@mindspring.com



Michael



 NEW INFORMATION AND REFERENCES

PS..



 In article <RAOUL.95May6221319@w20-575-93.mit.edu> raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) writes: >From: 

raoul@athena.mit.edu (Nico Garcia) >Subject: Re: CHROMEMATE vs Picolinate >Date: 7 May 1995 02:13:21 

GMT

>Research, *please*. Name the papers and tests, other than a few >anecdotal Type II diabetics who have reduced 

their medication or >experienced better glucose control (which changes with mood, diet, >exercise, age, etc.)

>OK, can you please name the titles of these studies so we can look them >up? And a ballpark price on your 

product, and your exact relationship >to it (president of the plant, salesman, satisfied client, etc.)?

>So far you've been much better than most other people touting new diabetes >treatments, *especially* the 

chromium promoters. Keep it up, and improve >it with a bit more independently verifiable data, please.

>                                Nico Garcia >                                raoul@mit.edu 

>My opinions are my own, not MIT's or my employer's or my cat's 

>(Well, maybe my cat's....)



     In 1959, a U.S. government researcher, Dr. Walter Mertz, discovered that animals fed chromium-deficient 

Torula yeast developed abnormal glucose tolerance and diabetes-like symptoms which could be reversed by feeding 

an equal amount of chromium-rich Brewer's yeast. (1)  Dr. Mertz's discovery led to the identification of chromium 

as an essential trace mineral, responsible for promoting insulin function and maintaining normal blood sugar 

metabolism. (2)  Brewer's yeast, the richest known source of biologically active chromium in nature, contains many 

different forms of chromium.  Dr. Mertz found that only a small fraction of the chromium in Brewer's yeast (less 

than 10%) had the ability to affect insulin action.  He called this fraction Glucose Tolerance  Factor or GTF 

chromium, and identified nicotinic acid (niacin) as the compound associated with the biologically active GTF form 

(3)  The importance of niacin in biologically active chromium was further established when Dr. Mertz found that 

synthetic chromium-niacin complexes exhibited the same strong insulin- potentiating effects as GTF extracts from 

Brewer's yeast.  But when he substituted chemically similar compounds, such as picolinic acid, in place of niacin, 

he found that these complexes had virtually no effect on insulin. (3)  Dr. Mertz concluded, "that the strong 

potentiation of insulin in vitro depends on the coordination of nicotinic acid (niacin) to chromium is shown by the 

ineffectiveness of other pyridine carboxylic acid derivative (picolinic acid) as ligands."  The combined effectiveness 

of chromium and niacin has been demonstrated by other researchers as well.  Dr. Martin Urberg at Wayne 

University, Michigan, found that giving patients chromium and niacin improved glucose tolerance and lowered 

cholesterol levels significantly greater than the same doses of chromium or niacin given alone. (4,5)  The 

combination also increased insulin-binding to white blood cells, while chromium or niacin alone had no effect. (6)   

According to Dr. Urberg, "...chromium and nicotinic acid may both act in the same mechanism (in the body), by 

increasing substrate (chromium and nicotinic acid) for GTF synthesis."   Niacin-bound chromium forms many 

different complexes.  It can consist of one or more atoms of chromium bound to either the nitrogen or oxygen atom 

of one or more molecules of niacin.  These complexes, while closely related chemically, vary widely in biological 

activity.   In 1981, Dr. Richard Anderson, a leading chromium expert at the U. S. Department of Agriculture, 

predicted that "The specific interaction and orientation of chromium and nicotinic acid may be crucial for the 

production of a biologically active chromium complex." (7)   In 1984, scientists as New Zealand's Massey 

University determined that a particular oxygen-coordinated chromium-niacin complex (the active ingredient in 

ChromeMate) is 18 times more bioactive than other forms of niacin-bound chromium. (8)  The researchers 

concluded, "...it is the shape of the complex which is likely to be the important factor in determining the presence or 

absence of biological activity...It is logical to assume that GTF has some overall structural resemblance to the O-

coordinated (chromium dinicotinate) complex...This arrangement must resemble the part of the GTF structure 

which is recognized by the receptors or enzymes involved in the expression of the biological effect."   Chromium is 

generally poorly absorbed and utilized by the body.  For example, inorganic chromium chloride, a popular 

chromium ingredient, is absorbed about 05-2% and has little effect on insulin action. (3,9)  Inorganic chromium 

must first be converted into a biologically active form, which the body has a limited ability to do.  In contrast, Dr. 

Mertz found that biologically active chromium from Brewer's yeast is much better absorbed, about 10-25% (3)      

A recent study at the University of California found that niacin-bound ChromeMate is absorbed and retained about 

17%.  In fact, the study showed that ChromeMate was retained up to 311% better than chromium picolinate, and 

672% better than chromium chloride. (10)   It is important to note that claims about the efficacy and biopotency of 

ChromeMate arise from studies conducted by independent university and government research centers that have no  

financial interest in ChromeMate.  This is in contrast to other chromium products whose claims originate from 

scientists who have financial interests in them.   In addition to Dr. Mertz's research and studies at the University of 

California and Massey University, scientists at Auburn University have demonstrated that ChromeMate lowers 

cholesterol in humans by 14%., (11) while researchers at the Linus Pauling Institute in Palo Alto, California, have 

shown that ChromeMate is safer and more effective than yeast-based chromium products. (12)   In the Linus 

Pauling study, animals fed ChromeMate showed the largest decrease in blood sugar levels (indicating greatest 

improvement in glucose tolerance), highest liver chromium (the site where biologically active chromium is 

apparently stored), and highest fetal chromium concentrations (showing greatest placental transport of chromium, 

an important indicator of biological activity).   ChromeMate differs markedly from amino acid chelated chromium.  

Such products consist of a "grab-bag" of unreacted inorganic chromium salts, peptides of varying sizes, free amino 

acids and even residual protein, (13) resulting in an inconsistent and often poorly utilized supplement.      Similarly, 

chromium-enriched yeast-based supplements (often labelled "GTF" chromium) actually contain very little 

biologically active chromium.  Up to 99.9% of the chromium in these products has been added from inorganic 

sources.  Typical yeast-based chromium supplements contain about 2000 micrograms chromium per gram of yeast.  

But natural Brewer's yeast contains only about 2 micrograms of chromium per gram, which means that 1998 

micrograms of the chromium were added.  ChromeMate consists of niacin-bound chromium in a patented, high-

potency oxygen- coordinated complex.  ChromeMate is virtually free of unreacted chromium salts.  Its unique 

chemical structure differs significantly from other forms of niacin-bound chromium (generically labelled chromium 

nicotinate or polynicotinate), and its purity provides consistent results, time after time.  ChromeMate offers a 

distinct safety advantage over other chromium products since it is complexed with niacin, an essential B vitamin.  

Niacin is Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) by the FDA.  Some chromium ligands, such as picolinic acid, are 

not GRAS.  LD50 toxicity studies show that ChromeMate is safer than other chromium compounds tested - over 4 

times safer than chromium chloride. (12)  A typical 200 microgram chromium dose of ChromeMate contains less 

than 2 milligrams of niacin, an extremely low level that will not cause skin flushing or other side effects associated 

with high doses of niacin.     



 REFERENCES 

     1.  Mertz, W. and Schwarz, K., "Relation of Glucose Tolerance Factor to Impaired Intravenous Glucose 

Tolerance of Rats on Stock Diets," Am. J. Physiol, 196:614-618, 1959.

     2.  Recommended Dietary Allowances, National Academy Press, Washington, D.C., 241- 243, 1989.

     3.  Mertz, W., "Effects and Metabolism of Glucose Tolerance Factor", Present Knowledge in Nutrition, The 

Nutrition Foundation, Washington, D.C., 36:365-372, 1976.

     4.  Urberg, M. and Zemel, M.B., "Evidence for Synergism Between Chromium and Nicotinic Acid in the Control 

of Glucose tolerance in elderly Humans," Metabolism, 36(9): 896-899, 1987.      5.  Urberg, M., et al., 

"Hypocholesterolemic Effects on Nicotinic Acid and Chromium supplementation," J. Fam. Pract., 27(6):603-606, 

1988.

     6.  Bedford, B.A., et al., "Insulin Binding in a Human Monocyte-Like (U-937) Cell Line: synergism Between 

Chromium and Nicotinic Acid," Fed. Proc., 46a:904, 1987.

     7.  Anderson, R., "Nutritional Role of Chromium", Sci. Tot. Envir., 17:13-29, 1981.

     8.  Cooper, J., et al., "Structure and Biological Activity of Nitrogen and Oxygen Coordinated Nicotinic Acid 

Complexes of Chromium," Inorg. Chim. Acta, 91:1-9, 1984.

     9.  Anderson, R. and Kozlovksy, A., "Chromium Intake, Absorption and Excretion of Subjects Consuming 

SelfSelected Diets," Am. J. Clin. Nutr, 41(6):1177-1183, 1985.

     10. Olin, K., et al., "Comparative Retention/Absorption of Chromium (Cr) from Cr Chloride (CrCl), Cr 

Nicotinate (CrNic) and Cr Picolinate (CrPic) in a Rat Model", J.Am.Coll.Nutr.,11(5):612, 1992.

     11. Lefavi, R.,et al., "Lipid-Lowering Effect of a Dietary Chromium (III)-Nicotinic Acid Complex in Male 

Athletes", Nutr.Res., 1993.

     12.  Bland, J., et al., "The Effect of Chromium as Cr(III) Chloride, YeastBound Chromium and a Nicotinato-

Cr(III) Complex on Tissue Uptake, Glucose Tolerance, Serum Lipids and Fetal Development in Rats", Linus 

Pauling Institute of Science and Medicine, Palo Alto, California, 1986, unpublished.

     13.  "NNFA Committee for Product and Label Integrity Report: Labeling of Mineral Supplements", Monitor, 

National Nutritional Foods Association, 5(10):4-5, 1991.

 

We would also refer you to a book written by Betty Kamen, Ph.D. entitled The Chromium Connection.  Nutrition 

Encounter, Inc., 1990, P. O. Box 5847, Novato, CA 94948-5847.



It is my hope this will answer many of your questions and that the references listed will enable you and your group 

to have additional information to make an informed decision regarding which chromium supplement is the right one.

There are some products which contain ChromeMate @ (www.4health.com) these are Oxi-Genic, Endura-Max and 

all three forms of Metabolizer 2000.

Michael



 >Please cite that research.

 1.  Mertz, W. and Schwarz, K., "Relation of Glucose Tolerance Factor to Impaired Intravenous Glucose Tolerance 

of Rats on Stock Diets," Am. J. Physiol, 196:614-618, 1959.

     2.  Recommended Dietary Allowances, National Academy Press, Washington, D.C., 241- 243, 1989.

     3.  Mertz, W., "Effects and Metabolism of Glucose Tolerance Factor", Present Knowledge in Nutrition, The 

Nutrition Foundation, Washington, D.C., 36:365-372, 1976.

>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>I  try  very  hard  to say exactly what I mean.  I'd appreciate it if you'd 

>bear that in mind and not try to "interpret"  my  posts  to  fit  your  own 

>preconceived notions if I'm posting in a serious thread.  Remember:  If you 

>throw a strawman into a heated debate, flames are likely to be the result.





-- 



Patricia Scott





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                                _.>/ _   

                               ( ) \( )>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



  Keep on spinning.. 



Any views stated here are my own, and not those of my employer or anybody else.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chromium??

From: thorne@comtch.iea.com (Al Czap)

Date: 22 May 1995 02:11:17 GMT



In article <3pao6u$llh@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca>, patscott@bcarhd46.bnr.ca

(Patricia Scott) wrote:



> In article <3orj66$6vs@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca>,

YOUNG@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (STEPHEN YOUNG) writes:

> |> Could some one please tell me what the difference between Chromium

picoinate

> |> and Chromium GTF.

An animal no one sells.

> |> I seem to remember once hearing that Chromium Picoinate was better

form then

It is better than the products supposedly sold as GTF.

> |> Chromium GTF.



> These are some articles and references that were posted on the

misc.health.diabetes bulliton board.  They should give you a good idea

> about the differences.

snip

> Posting-Host: allen.mindspring.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows

[Version 1.0 Rev B]

Must sell Chromate.

> 

> Chromium is an essential trace mineral

blah blah

> Chromium Polynicotinate is actually a family 

> of niacin-bound chromium compounds. 

Sold! One bill of goods.

> One high-potency, oxygen-coordinated complex called ChromeMate was 

> introduced in 1986.

Wrong year.

> ChromeMate was developed based on the landmark research of Dr. Walter

Mertz, discoverer of 

> biologically active chromium. Dr. Mertz, former director of the USDA's

Human Nutrition Research Center, 

> identified a chromium-niacin complex as the active chromium ingredient

in Brewer's yeast, the richest source of 

> biologically active chromium in nature. 

>Dr. Mertz showed that niacin-bound chromium strongly potentiates insulin 

> - romiumost vital function - while chromium picolinate does not.

Bullshit!

>     Niacin-bound chromium in the form of 

> ChromeMate is also more bioavailable 

snip bs

> ChromeMate also has the advantage of  being complexed withniacin, an

essential B vitamin

You neglect to mention how unstable it is. 

> Generally Recognized as Safe by the FDA (GRAS).  Picolinic acid, the

chromiumpicolinate, is not GRAS

Yes, but not all the other substances found in mothers milk have been

applied for and received GRAS status either. 

snip more bs

> The Picolinate Myth

> 

>      How did chromium picolinate become so popular?  Through advertising

and publicity.    In fact, virtually all the 

> claims associated with the benefits of chromium picolinate originate

>from  studies involving the product's inventor - 

> who has a financial interest in the product! This conflict of interest

has raised serious questions about the validity of 

> the research and claims used to promote chromium picolinate. 

Look in the mirror idiot, that face leering over your sholder is that of

the guy who markets your chromium in the same manner and makes a fortune.

The total bullshit in your letter in overwhelming.  You defend someone who

sells for $4,000 a kilo,  a product that costs $30 a kilo to make.  

> One university study has already contradicted the 

> claim that the product increases lean body mass in male athletes.  

Of course stupid, chromium has nothing to do with lean muscle mass and

miracle weight loss.

snip more bs

>      In contrast to chromium picolinate, claims about niacin-bound

ChromeMate originate from studies performed at 

> independent universities and government research centers.  

Paid for by the ChromeMate boys?  The revelations are almost religious!

snip sales pitch



> (3)  The importance of niacin in biologically active chromium was

further established when Dr. Mertz found that 

> synthetic chromium-niacin complexes exhibited the same strong insulin-

potentiating effects as GTF extracts from 

> Brewer's yeast.  But when he substituted chemically similar compounds,

such as picolinic acid, in place of niacin, 

> he found that these complexes had virtually no effect on insulin. 

Gag me.  Fantasy world must be nice.

>  It is important to note that claims about the efficacy and biopotency of 

> ChromeMate arise from studies conducted by independent university and

government research centers that have no  

> financial interest in ChromeMate.

Other than being paid to do the studies by the ChromeMate boys.

  snip crap

---------------------- 

> >I  try  very  hard  to say exactly what I mean. 

Even if it's a sales pitch and total crap?



-- 

O for that moment to be now

Or better yet be recent past

And we sit as children on the beach 

Laughing at how long it took to pass     Czap





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Book Review "The Healing Garden"

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 11 May 1995 02:38:23 GMT







Sweet Smell of Success



Michael Bailes loves a good story, especially when its amusing.

He believes you should never underestimate the healing power of a good laugh.  It is a philosophy which serves him well in his entertaining book The Healing Garden, a practical guide to homemade herbal remedies which combines Michaels talent for tales with his knowledge of fragrant, useful and healing plants.  As founder of The Fragrant Garden, a nursery on the Central Coast of New South Wales, Michael is no stranger to plants and herbs of every kind. - from Hares Ear to Unicorn Root.



When Michael and Jan decided to go bush in 1976, they bought 2ha of land in Erina.  We thought we would start a nice little herb farm, but it didnt quite work out like that.  We now have a staff of 25 people at The Fragrant Garden , says Michael.  We try to grow anything thats fragrant, anything that has a story and, if its medicinal, thats even better.



However, his interest in plants is by no means limited to their propagation; the stories, myths and folklore surrounding each plant, its history and, sometimes, even its magic also fascinate him.



 He describes his passion for plants as an intellectual one.  There are several ways of looking at plants, says Michael.  Some people use plants to decorate gardens as they would a room in their house.  Im not interested in pretty landscaping - I like to use plants to decorate my mind.  



Since his days as a  psychology student, when he spent hours in  the Medieval section of the library  poring over the ancient herbals, he has steadily built up his own collection of more than 1000 books on herbalism and medicine.  In The Healing Garden, Michael draws on the fruits of his research, which spans more than two decades, to formulate his natural and often simple recipes for wellness.  His love of quirky stories and ancient texts is apparent throughout, as the remedies are interspersed with quo

tes from the likes of Shakespeare, Mark Twain and Oscar Wilde, and from books which bear names such as The Crones Book of Words and First Aid for Hypochondriacs .



Michaels approach to healing may be light hearted, but it is by no means frivolous.  He tackles an amazing array of ailments using the ingredients and methods he has found to be the most successful and, more often than not, they are contained in the average kitchen garden.  Michael hopes that his book will encourage people to just get out there and pick green things.  He believes that although many people are a little bit frightened to use herbalism to cure themselves, there is also a primordial urge am

ong humans to use plants.



I say to people, relax, they wont poison you.  Play with them like you would play in the kitchen with food.  Stick them in the blender - make your own ointments, he says.  In spring, The Fragrant Garden holds a herb festival, which is being met with increasing  enthusiasm each year.  It seems herbalism, a practice which goes back 5000 years, is enjoying a healthy revival.  - Amelia Bloomfield  -  Cameo Magazine (Vol 2. No. 3)(P. 103)

*  The Healing Garden , Kangaroo Press Pty. Ltd.    RRP 12.95 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Datura

From: bbarmore@epix.net (Brent)

Date: 11 May 1995 02:53:58 GMT



Does anyone have any experience with Datura for medical purposes?

please contact bbarmore@epix.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Datura

From: fszubart@aol.com (FSzubart)

Date: 20 May 1995 00:43:55 -0400



My mom has several Datura's. I have not tried to use it.  I found a

discription of it in an herb book which said it is extremely poisonous.

This book said even to touch the leaves could irritate ths skin. 



Good luck



Keta 

<There are many>

<parking spaces on the road to sucess>

<               ..kind of says it all, huh ?...>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Eyebright in Australia?

From: clben1@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Silverblu)

Date: 11 May 95 03:35:46 GMT



Greetings.



Are the Australian Euphrasia as effective as the Eurpean version of

eyebright?  Euphrasia officinalis does not grow in Australia, but

other Euphrasia do.  Are they as effective for conjunctivitus?  I

have a companion who suffers from it quite badly and is in need of a

soothing herbal remedy he can apply frequently.



  -- Devious!

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: growing ginseng

From: kuhn@uno.cc.geneseo.edu (Jackie Kuhn)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 09:02:52 UNDEFINED



Does anyone know where I can find information on how to grow ginseng?  There's 

a lot of information describing the effects and history, but I haven't been 

able to locate any good resources on growing it.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: growing ginseng

From: Katherine L. Adam <kadam@igc.apc.org>

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 18:17:53 -0700 (PDT)



Call ATTRA (a federally funded information service for sustainable agriculture)

1-800-346-9140.  Besides ginseng, ATTRA can provide basic growing instructions

for goldenseal, echinacea, and others.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE:  Pleurisy

From: placbv@bremner.uct.ac.za

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:22:29



Thanks to those who replied so promptly to my query.



Now, can anyone tell me the botanical name for pleurisy root?  Here in the 

"third world" they haven't heard of it.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:  Pleurisy

From: gianine@nando.net (Gianine)

Date: 11 May 1995 10:55:48 -0400



The botanical name for pleurisy root is Asclepias tuberosa. Some other 

common names for it are Butterfly-weed, Swallow-wort, Tuber Root, 

Wind-root, Colic Root and Orange Milkweed.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE:  Pleurisy

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: 11 May 1995 23:18:27 +0100



In article <placbv.14.0010601A@bremner.uct.ac.za>

           placbv@bremner.uct.ac.za  writes:

> 

> Now, can anyone tell me the botanical name for pleurisy root?  Here in the 

> "third world" they haven't heard of it.



Aslepias tuberosa  (also known as Butterfly Weed)

-- 

David Powner                   Internet: David@filtermx.demon.co.uk





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Pleurisy

From: Elizabeth_Toews@mindlink.bc.ca (Elizabeth Toews)

Date: Thu, 11 May 95 21:20:39 -0800



In article <placbv.14.0010601A@bremner.uct.ac.za>, placbv@bremner.uct.ac.za

writes:

>

> Msg-ID: <placbv.14.0010601A@bremner.uct.ac.za>

> Posted: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:22:29

>

> Org.  : University of Cape Town

>

> Thanks to those who replied so promptly to my query.

>

> Now, can anyone tell me the botanical name for pleurisy root?  Here in

> the

> "third world" they haven't heard of it.

>

>

>



Pleurisy Root

Family:  Asclepiadaceae

Species: Asclepias tuberosa

Local Name: Butterfly Weed

Common Names: Butterfly weed, Canada root, Flux root, Orange swallow-wort,

Tuber root, White Root, Wind Root



Best Health Wishes

--



Elizabeth Toews    Back To Nature Products

Ind. Distributor for Nature's Sunshine Products and Fine Herbs

email:  elizabeth_toews@mindlink.bc.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pleurisy

From: ()

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 15:16:37 GMT



placbv@bremner.uct.ac.za wrote:



>Thanks to those who replied so promptly to my query.



>Now, can anyone tell me the botanical name for pleurisy root?  Here in the 

>"third world" they haven't heard of it.





asclepias tuberosa 

also known as butterfly weed, canada root, flux root, orange swallow

wort, tuber root, white root and wind root.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE:  Pleurisy

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 13:12:00 EST



>Now, can anyone tell me the botanical name for pleurisy root?  Here in the

>"third world" they haven't heard of it.



Asclepias tuberosa



It's also known as: Butterfly Weed, Canada root, flux root, orange swallow

wort, wind root and white root.



The medicinal part used is the root or tuber.



I don't know where you are, but it's too bad you're not next door.  I have

nearly 100 of these plants growing in several of my gardens!





==========

Subject: Another catalog

From: spw203@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Pat Welsh)

Date: 11 May 1995 14:10:39 GMT



Another supplements catalog:



Arizona Health Foods

13802 N. 32nd St., Suite 14

Phoenix, AZ 85032



(800) 333-4172

fax: (800) 333-4670





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Soapmaking 7 pgs

From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP)

Date: 11 May 1995 12:07:17 -0400





Here are about 7 pages (printed) of soapmaking instructions and a

shameless

plug for my book. Hope you enjoy. These are the same instructions

available

>from  America Online's library. Feel free to pass the information along to

others. Just keep the copyright information included and I'll be happy.

Best regards,

Elaine

-------------------------------------------------------

So, you want to make soap? Good! I'll try my best to tell you how. I'm

Elaine

White, author of "Soap Recipes: Seventy tried-and-true ways to make modern

soap with herbs, beeswax and vegetable oils" These instructions are very

condensed and cannot possibly contain the details included in "Soap

Recipes."

Nonetheless, I believe you will have a good overview after you read these

instructions. Once you learn basic safety precautions, soapmaking

procedures

and termonology, you will be able to make soap from any recipe. The

outline

for these instructions is:

A) Safety precautions in handling lye, lye/water and freshly-made soap

B) The equipment list

C) The procedure of combining ingredients and molding soap

D) Herbal soap

E) Superfatting soap

F) US Soapmaking suppliers

G) Soap recipes

Once you read these instructions and if possible, join the soapmakers at

America Online. Go to "The Exchange" click on "Crafts and sewing" then

"other

crafts" and you will find "soapmaking." AOL gives me free time online to

help

soapmakers and I often join the discussions. I am glad to help you in any

way.

---------------------------------------------------

A) Locating lye and safety precautions in handling it.

(The following may frighten you, but I promise that thousands of people

make

soap everyday without mishap. You need to know all the dangers present in

order to avoid trouble. If you can get past the following warnings--you

are

destined to make soap!) Look where drain cleaners are sold and buy 100%

lye

(Red Devil is one brand). Don't bother looking at liquid drain cleaners

and

don't try Draino (it contains metal). If you aren't sure the product is

100%

lye, then order lye from a soapmaking or chemical supplier (addresses

listed). Most good soap recipes list lye by weight for accuracy: lye in

granular form (drain cleaner) measures differently than lye in flake form

(the form of lye from laboratory chemical suppliers, pool chemical

suppliers,

etc). Scales are a necessary part of sucessful soapmaking and allows you

to

use any type of lye. Lye can be nasty if handled improperly. Lye (sodium

hydroxide) is also known as caustic soda. Upon opening a container of lye,

the lye crystals absorb water from the air, which can weaken the strength

of

the lye and cause it to form a solid lump. When not in use, keep lye

closely

capped. Lye reacts with some metals: aluminum, zinc, and tin. Safe

containers

include heatproof stoneware, glass, enamel, stainless steel and plastic.

Lye

can be fatal if swallowed. Lye can remove paint. If lye, lye/water or

freshly-made soap splatters onto a painted surface, wipe it off

immediately. Wash the area with water and detergent; wash it with clear

water, then wipe it dry. Lye, lye/water and freshly-made soap can burn and

irritate skin. You'll notice itching before burning. Lye/water on skin is

first noticed by a

slippery feeling. Rinse your hands with vinegar and immediately rinse them

with running water. Since lye can burn skin, you can imagine what it does

to

eyes. It's difficult to rinse your eyes while they're burning and you

can't

see. This painful and dangerous situation in entirely avoidable. Always

wear

eye protection! You may wonder why anyone wants to bathe with soap that

contains something as harsh as lye. Well, the good news is that soap is

*made* with lye, but soap doesn't *contain* lye. Lye reacts with fats,

creating roughly three molecules soap and one molecule glycerin. The lye

is

no longer present--only great soap and glycerin.

*NOTE: If you have small children, keep lye (and essential oils) in a

*locked*

cabinet. Lye/water sitting at the edge of a counter can easily be reached

by

children and even swallowed. Drinking lye/water is like drinking liquid

fire

and anyone ingesting lye/water should immediately be taken to an emergency

room for treatment! Like I said: everyday, thousands of people make soap

without mishap. In order to do so, you must be aware of all safety

hazards.

Children and feeble-minded people should not be in the soapmaking area or

have access to stored soapmaking ingredients, especially lye and essential

oil.

-------------------------------------------------

B) The equipment list:

# one 4-to-6 cup mixing container made of lye-resistant material

  (I use a stainless steel mixing bowl)

# one heatproof container that holds at least 2 cups

  (I use a Pyrex measuring cup)

# stainess steel, plastic, wooden spoon or a rubber spatula

# two thermometers made of glass or stainless steel

  (candy and meat thermometers work well)

# eye protection (wear sunglasses if you have to!)

# rubber gloves (optional)

# scale to weight the fats and lye

# soap molds (any flexible plastic container works well)

# a clock with a second hand or other type timer

# wire whisk (optional)

# pot holders or oven mitts

# measuring spoons

----------------------------------------------------

C) The procedure

1) Put the fats in a lye-resistant container and place a glass or

stainless

steel thermometer into the fats. Be sure the thermometer doesn't touch the

bottom of the container and give a false reading. Heat the fats and

optional

ingredients to the temperature specified in the recipe.

2) Put on eye protection and rubber gloves.

3) Use a heat-proof container to measure the amount of cold water (70 to

75

degrees F) specified in the recipe. Cold water is important. If you add

lye

to hot or boiling water, the water could "boil-up" out of the container;

if

you add lye

to *really* cold water, the lye/water might not reach the high

temperatures

required to make some recipes. Stir the water and slowly add the lye. The

water will get hot and turn cloudy. Continue to stir until the lye

dissolves.

Don't breathe or intentionally smell the fumes coming from the cup because

they are quite "chokey." If you wait too long to stir the water, the lye

could harden in the bottom of the container. This is not a problem. You

can

still sitr it, but it will be more difficult. Add a glass or stainless

steel

thermometer to the lye/water and wait until it reaches the temperature

specified in the recipe. (Note: Some people are extremely sensitive to

fumes

which come from the lye/water. The fumes which come from small batches (1

pound) isn't a problem. Be aware than larger amounts of lye (larger

batches)

creates more fumes, which, with prolonged contact, can burn eyes and skin

of

sensitive people.) 

4) When both the fat and the lye/water reach the temperature specified in

the

recipe, add the lye/water to the fat. I's sometimes a balancing act to get

the fat mixture and the lye/water mxiture to specific temperatures at the

same time. Never place lye/water in a microwave (the cup could break). It

takes lye/water longer to cool than it takes fat to heat. Most soapmakers

wait for the lye/water to cool to about five degrees above the desired

temperature, then heat the fat. When both the lye/water and the fat are

within five degrees of the temperatures specified in the recipe, use a pot

holder and move the bowl to a sink (to contain splatters). Slowly pour the

lye/water into the fats while stirring. (Note: Temperatures for small

one-pound batches of soap poured into individual molds aren't critical. As

long as the lye/water and fats are between 120 and 140 degrees F you will

have good success. Larger batches or batches poured into a single mold,

require the lower temperature range.)

5) Stir the soap until it "traces." When lye, water and fat first combine,

the mixture is thin and watery. Gradually, as the lye and fat react

chemically to form soap, the mixture thickens and turns opaque. "Tracing"

is

a term to describe the consistency (thickness) of soap when it's ready to

pour into molds. To test for tracing: 

 a. Drip some soap onto the surface of the soap in the stirring bowl. It

should leave a "trace" or small mound.

 b. Draw a line in the soap with a spoon or rubber spatula. If a "trace"

of

the line remains for a few seconds, the soap has traced.

Tracing is easy to recognize, yet it causes new soapmakers a lot of worry.

Relax and know that the soap will trace eventually. Just stir the soap

constantly for the first 15 minutes or so, then stir the soap every

fifteen

minutes until it thickens and traces, no matter how long it takes.

6) After the soap traces, add up to one tablespoon essential oil (if

desired)

and stir a few minutes longer to incorporate the oil. About the only soap

that remains totally scent-free is the Pure Soap Recipe that follows.

Other

fats result in soap that has a "fatty lye" smell. Essentials oils are

necessary for a pleasant-smelling product.

7) Pour the soap into molds and wait for it to harden.

8) Unmold the soap, Soap is still harsh when it's time to remove it from

the

molds. Put on rubber gloves and press the back of each mold compartment to

release the soap. It's a lot like removing ice cubes from a tray.

Sometimes

the soap doesn't release easily from the mold. To overcome this problem,

leave the soap in a freezer for a few hours. Freezing soap causes it to

contract slightly, becom hard and release from the plastic mold.

9) Wait the time specified in a recipe for the soap to "age." (usually 3

weeks). During the aging time the pH of the soap decreased (the soap

becomes

mild) and the bars harden. It's a good idea to write the following

information on a piece of paper and place it with the soap: the date you

made

the soap, the date the aging time is over, and the recipe name.

10) Step 10 is *enjoy your soap!*

As soap ages, a fine, white powder may appear on the surface. This is soda

ash (sodium carbonate) formed by a reaction of lye with carbon dioxide in

air. This white powder is mostly on the surface exposed to air while the

soap

was in the molds. Soap that contains wax develops little or no soda ash.

There are three ways to deal with soda ash: 

 a. Try to prevent it. Immediately after pouring soap into molds, cover

the

soap with plastic wrap or waxed paper. Press the wrap or paper onto the

surface of the soap to prevent air contact.

 b. Cut it away. Overfill the molds slightly. Later, when the soap

hardens,

take a knife and cut the soap level with the mold. This also cuts away the

soda ash.

 c. Wash it away. Wait until the soap ages and hardens. Wash the powder

away

by rubbing the soap with your hands under running water or by rubbing the

soap over a wet dishcloth. Set the soap aside to dry----then, *enjoy your

soap!*

-----------------------------------------------------

D. Herbal soap

You can replace the water in soap recipes with herbal tea, but to be

honest,

most of the properties (color and fragrance) are lost. The best way to use

herbs in soap is to add dry, finely powdered herbs to the fats before

adding

the lye/water. Use anywhere from 1 tablespoon to 1/4 cup dried herbs to 1

lb

soap. Coarsly ground herbs should be restricted to about 1 or 2

tablespoons

per lb soap because they contribute a coarseness to the soap that

sometimes

makes it uncomfortable during use. The nicest way to add properties of

herbs

to soap is the addition of pure essential oils. Most soap develops a

"lye/fat" odor, which essentail oil prevents. Use anywhere from 1 teaspoon

to

2 tablespoons essential oil per lb soap (depending on the strength of the

oil). Color is an illusive thing as far as soap is concerned. Natural

colors

can be obtained by adding 2 tablespoons red clay, calendula petals, or

palm

oil from Lorann Oils (yellow). Strong, true color can be obtained from

Pourette's dye recommended for soap. Use up to 1/8 teaspoon Pourette dye

per

lb soap.

---------------------------------------------------

E. Superfatting soap

The following recipes have the exact amount of lye to make soap that

contains

very little excess fat. This soap leaves skin perfectly clean and smooth

feeling. Some people like excess fat in recipes. For this I recommend 2 to

4

tablespoons castor oil added when the soap traces. Castor oil is emollient

and contributes to soap lather. Adding castor oil after tracing along with

1

tablespoon essential oil also seems to help retain the soap fragrance.

-----------------------------------------------------

F. Soapmaker's supply list (United States)



Barker's Enterprises, Inc.

15106 10th Ave SW

Seattle WA 98166

Telephone: 206-244-1870

retail/wholesale: waxes, molds and candle dye (which works for soap)



Chem Lab Supplies

1060 Ortega Way, Unit C

Placentia CA 92670

Telephone 714 630-7902

Fax  714-630-3553

retail: pH kits, electronic scales, lye



Hagenow Laboratories, Inc.

1302 Washington St

Manitowoc WI 54220

No telephone, correspond by mail and request catalog

lye, waxes, clays, essential oils, thermometers and pH kits



Liberty Natural Products

8120 SE Stark St

Portland OR 97215

1-800-289-8427

$50 minimum order retail/wholesale same price

essential oils, soapmaking fats, herbs, clays, etc.



K & W Popcorn

710 E 24th St

Trenton MO 64683

Telephone 816-359-2030

retail only: coconut oil 5 gallons (will ship)



Lorann Oils

4518 Aurelius Rd

Lansing MI 48909

Telephone 1-800-248-1302

retail/wholesale: essential oils, fats, candy molds, waxes



Pourette Soapmaking Supplies

6910 Roosevelt Way NE

Seattle WA 98115

Telephone 1-800-888-WICK (9425)

retail/wholesale molds, dye, wax (request *soapmaking* price list as it's

different than their regular catalog, which contains candle molds)



Sunfeather Soapmaking Supply

HCR 84 Box 60-A

Potsdam NY 13676

Telephone 315-265-3648

retail only: lye, fats, soap fragrance

-----------------------------------------------------

G) Now, the moment you've been waiting for--the recipes!

copyright 1995 in "Soap Recipes" by Elaine C. White

All rights reserved. All ounces (oz) are determined by weight unless

otherwise stated. Lye is "sodium hydroxide" granular or flake form.



Pure Soap (the only recipe I've discovered that remains scent-free and

doesn't require essential oils) Good for washing dishes, delicate laundry,

etc. Great lather.

16 oz coconut oil

 2.8 oz lye 

1 cup water (8 fluid ounces)

Fat and lye/water temperature about 120 degrees F

Estimated tracing time: 1 1/2 hours

Time in molds: 48 hours

Age: 3 weeks



Pure Soap Shampoo Bar

16 oz weight coconut oil

2.9 oz lye

3/4 cup water (6 fluid ounces)

Oil room temp

Mix and use lye

Estimated tracing 1 to 2 hours

When the soap traces, add 4 tablespoons castor oil to superfat the soap

and

to make a smoother-textured bar. Leave the soap in the mold 24 hours,

freeze

3

hours, then remove from the mold. Age: 3 weeks. Essential oil is optional

for

this recipe. The soap will remain scent-free without it.



Soap III

6 oz coconut oil

6 oz olive oil

5 oz vegetable shortening

2.6 oz lye

1 cup water (8 fluid ounces)

Fat and lye/water temperature about 120 degrees F

Time in molds: 48 hours

Age: 4 weeks



Soap IV

9 oz vegetable shortening

4 oz coconut oil

3 oz lard

2.4 oz lye

3/4 cup water (6 fluid ounces)

Fat and lye/water temperature about 120 degrees F

Time in molds: 24 hours

Age: 3 weeks



Soap V

10 oz vegetable shortening

 6 oz coconut oil

2.4 oz lye

1 cup water (8 fluid ounces)

Fat and lye/temperature about 120 degrees F

Time in molds: 48 hours

Age: 4 weeks



Soap VI & VII

16 oz lard or beef tallow

2.3 oz lye

3/4 cup water (6 fluid ounces)

Estimated tracing 45 minutes

Fat and lye/water temperature about 120 degrees F

Time in molds: 24 hours

Age: 3 weeks



Soap VIII

Beeswax Castile 

13 oz weight olive oil

 2 oz beeswax

 1 oz palm oil

2.1 oz lye

1 cup water (8 fluid ounces)

(melt the beeswax with the fats)

Fat and lye/water temperature about 150 degrees F

Tracing time: about 12 minutes FAST!

Time in molds: 48 hours

Place the soap in a freezer for 3 hours, then remove it from the molds

Age: 6 to 8 weeks for the bars to harden



Beeswax Soap IX

(follow directions at "Soap VIII")

16 oz weight olive oil

 2 oz weight beeswax

2.2 oz weight lye

1 cup water (8 fluid ounces)

--------------------------------------------------------

I really hope you feel confident enought to prepare your first batch of

soap.

Good luck and happy lathering.

Best regards,

Elaine C. White

--------------------------------------------------------

These instructions are based on a book:"Soap Recipes:

Seventy tried-and-true ways to make modern soap with herbs, beeswax and

vegetable oils" by Elaine C. White

International Standard Book Number 0-9637539-5-9



The book will be available in bookstores June, 1995 and is available now

from:

Valley Hills Press

1864 Ridgeland Drive

Starkville MS 39759 USA

$23.95 US funds includes price and shipping to US and Canada

$28.95 US funds includes price and Air Mail shipping to other countries

1-800-323-7102 Visa/Master Cards accepted 

Toll-free number good in US only, other countries call 601-323-7100 (This

is

a voice line and fax.)

Valley Hills Press specializes in craft how-to information regarding honey

and beeswax products. They will send a free brochure about this book and

other products: MS Beekeepers Honey Cookbook, soapmaking kit, mead/honey

wine

kit, "Super Formulas" (book tells how to make 360 useful products that

contain honey and beeswax). 

Free brochure. Just ask.

end





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: INFO REQ: essiac as cancer treatment

From: xdcrlab@quake.net (Mike Davis)

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 08:50:37 -0800



In article <3or25r$4vc@latte.eng.umd.edu>, beacham@Glue.umd.edu (Kelly

Fox) wrote:

> 

> My Dad just found something that talked about essiac tea being

> used to treat cancer. 



Kelly,



You can find a wealth of info on essiac at this web location.  I have some

alt.cancer related stuff on my site as well.



http://werple.mira.net.au/sumeria/sumeria.html



-- 

Mike Davis))) xdcrlab@quake.net))) Medical Ultrasound Transducers

URL>> http://www.quake.net/~xdcrlab/hp.html 

Alt.Health, Life Ext., other Stuff





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Soap recipe

From: Frank Thompson <afn25124@freenet.ufl.edu>

Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 14:21:33 -0400



Chris:

Good soap requires fats that are free from dirt, rancidity, lean meat, 

salt and other impurities. Butchers will give you tallow, :}.

BASIC SOAP FORMULA:

Makes 9 pounds of pure, hard, smooth soap suitable for toilet, laundry, 

or soap flakes.

	Cold water		2 1/2 pints

	Pure flake lye		13 ounce can 

		***caution*** lye is caustic

	Clean fat(tallow, lard) 6 pounds

Slowly pour lye into water in Pyrex, iron, or enamel vessel. Stir until 

lye is dissolved. Cool to 93 degrees F.

	Render tallow over low/medium heat. Careful not to burn. Strain 

out any impurities. Cool tallow to 125 degrees F. Pour lye solution into 

fat in a thin steady stream with slow, even stirring (slow means slow). 

Honey-like consistency is formed which becomes thick in 10 to 20 minutes.

	Pour mixture into wooden or pyrex square cake pan lined with clean 

cotton cloth wet in water and wrung nearly dry. Place in protecting pan. 

Cover with a board or cardboard, then with an old rug or blanket to 

retain heat while it's texturing out. Leave alone for 24 hours.

	Remove soap from mold by lifting ends of towel. Cut into bars by 

wrapping soap with a fine wire and pulling through. Dry by placing so air 

can circulate (not in draft or cold). Age for 10 to 14 days.

	You can of course, scent your soap with non-alcohol scents of 

your choice. Please acknowledge.





Franco @freenet.ufl.edu 	 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: Kelly McNulty <mcnultka@acq.osd.mil>

Date: 11 May 1995 18:36:35 GMT



eharris@synnovation.com wrote:

>

> 

> In article <3oql0t$420@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, <bob3@ix.netcom.com> writes:

> 

> > Please advise of successful methods to release endorphins besides humor

> > and vigorous exercise. 

> > 

> 

> The answer is chocolate!  It contains phenylethylamine, a naturally occurring 

> amphetamine-like substance which releases endorphins.

> 



Does anyone know if there is a connection between women with PMS who

crave chocolate and phenylethylamine?  Are we actually craving

relief in the form of released endorphins or some other effect of this

substance?  Or is there another substance in chocolate that might 

"draw" women towards it?  Just curious!



Kelly McNulty

mcnultka@acq.osd.mil

aspiring naturopathic physician



=====================================================================



"I don't work for the Guv'ment:  they just pay for my hookup!" 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: gianine@nando.net (Gianine)

Date: 11 May 1995 15:51:57 -0400



I have never heard of phenylethelamine...could you possibly mean 

phenylalanine? I know that this amino acid is in chocolate. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: olaf@bigred.inka.de (Olaf Titz)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 18:02:07 GMT



In article <3otpst$8qc@merlin.nando.net>, Gianine <gianine@nando.net> wrote:

> I have never heard of phenylethelamine...could you possibly mean 

> phenylalanine? I know that this amino acid is in chocolate. 



No, phenylethylamine is right. This is what amphetamine and many

others (MDMA comes to mind, check "PIKHAL") are derived from:



C6H5-CH2-CH2-NH2



Amphetamine is: C6H5-CH2-CH(CH3)-NH2



Btw., phenylalanine is: C6H5-CH2-CH(NH2)-COOH (actually rather similar

in structure, but as an amino acid it's a different thing).



olaf

Followups trimmed.

-- 

___        Olaf.Titz@inka.de or @{stud,informatik}.uni-karlsruhe.de       ____

__ o           <URL:http://www.inka.de/~bigred/>     <IRC:praetorius>

__/<_              >> Just as long as the wheels keep on turning round

_)>(_)______________ I will live for the groove 'til the sun goes down << ____





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: dnaxy@dnai.com (William Palmer)

Date: 14 May 1995 14:19:38 GMT



In article <3otpst$8qc@merlin.nando.net>, gianine@nando.net wrote:



> I have never heard of phenylethelamine...could you possibly mean 

> phenylalanine? I know that this amino acid is in chocolate.



Phenylethylamine is a catecholamine, like epinephrine and nor-epi, also in

chocolate and thought to be the "love" chemical. In fact, rumor has it

that courtesans of old Europe ate much chocolate to keep up the mood! Bill

Palmer



-- 

William Palmer

Anatomic Pathology Institute

Oakland, CA 94618

dnaxy@dnai.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 02:49:40 GMT



In article <dnaxy-1405951517000001@dynamic-218.dnai.com>,

William Palmer <dnaxy@dnai.com> wrote:

   >Phenylethylamine is a catecholamine, like epinephrine and nor-epi,



It most certainly isn't.  Unlike epi- and norepi-, it lacks the catechol

substituents!



   >also in

   >chocolate and thought to be the "love" chemical. In fact, rumor has it

   >that courtesans of old Europe ate much chocolate to keep up the mood!



I know you are being tongue in cheek, but there's no excuse for this

factoid gaining any more credibility.  The amount of phenethylamine

in chocolate is vanishingly small, any it's without any measurable

pharmacological activity when ingested, even in large amounts.



-- 

Steve Dyer

dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti)

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 05:38:29 AST



On Mon, 15 May 1995 02:49:40 GMT,  dyer@spdcc.com writes:

>

>In article <dnaxy-1405951517000001@dynamic-218.dnai.com>,

>William Palmer <dnaxy@dnai.com> wrote:

>   >Phenylethylamine is a catecholamine, like epinephrine and nor-epi,

>

>It most certainly isn't.  Unlike epi- and norepi-, it lacks the catechol

>substituents!

>

>   >also in

>   >chocolate and thought to be the "love" chemical. In fact, rumor has it

>   >that courtesans of old Europe ate much chocolate to keep up the mood!

>

>I know you are being tongue in cheek, but there's no excuse for this

>factoid gaining any more credibility.  The amount of phenethylamine

>in chocolate is vanishingly small, any it's without any measurable

>pharmacological activity when ingested, even in large amounts.

>

>-- 

>Steve Dyer

>dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com





so would this be "real" chocolate or the garbage we get with a little color

and a lot of sugar?????



t.c.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: srussell@ix.netcom.com (Sandra Russell)

Date: 15 May 1995 11:14:57 GMT



In <D8LMIt.7v8@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: 



>I know you are being tongue in cheek, but there's no excuse for this

>factoid gaining any more credibility.  The amount of phenethylamine

>in chocolate is vanishingly small, any it's without any measurable

>pharmacological activity when ingested, even in large amounts.





   Is that true?  I thought that phenylethylamine was a 

neurotransmitter.  If so, perhaps the oral stuff doesn't make it 

across the BBB?  As the dose gets larger, oral phenylethylamine has to 

do SOMETHING.  Any idea what the first effect is?





                                             Steve Harris, M.D.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: cf501@cs.city.ac.uk (Steve Mynott)

Date: 18 May 1995 10:52:02 GMT



Sandra Russell (srussell@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: In <D8LMIt.7v8@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: 



: >I know you are being tongue in cheek, but there's no excuse for this

: >factoid gaining any more credibility.  The amount of phenethylamine

: >in chocolate is vanishingly small, any it's without any measurable

: >pharmacological activity when ingested, even in large amounts.





:    Is that true?  I thought that phenylethylamine was a 

: neurotransmitter.  If so, perhaps the oral stuff doesn't make it 

: across the BBB?  As the dose gets larger, oral phenylethylamine has to 

: do SOMETHING.  Any idea what the first effect is?



In PIKHAL Shulgin states that even huge doses of phenylethylamine are

completely without any psychoactive effects.  So much the

chocolate=phenylethylamine=love myth that you read in all the papers

and magazines.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: jaimiep@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Jaimie Polson)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:36:44 GMT



In <3p7d3h$cs0@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> srussell@ix.netcom.com (Sandra Russell) writes:



>In <D8LMIt.7v8@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: 



>>I know you are being tongue in cheek, but there's no excuse for this

>>factoid gaining any more credibility.  The amount of phenethylamine

>>in chocolate is vanishingly small, any it's without any measurable

>>pharmacological activity when ingested, even in large amounts.





>   Is that true?  I thought that phenylethylamine was a 

>neurotransmitter.  If so, perhaps the oral stuff doesn't make it 

>across the BBB?  As the dose gets larger, oral phenylethylamine has to 

>do SOMETHING.  Any idea what the first effect is?





>                                             Steve Harris, M.D.



I don't know anything about phenylethylamine, but I believe there might

be some confusion here wrt phenylethylamine N-methyltransferase (PNMT) 

which is the enzyme which converts norepinephrine to epinephrine. (Disclaimer:

I simply know this fro what I read, and I know nothing about the biochemistry)

PNMT antibodies are commonly used in neuroscience research to label neurons

that are suspected to contain epinephrine, possibly as a neurotransmitter.



Jaimie 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: "j.g. duplantie" <jduplant@julian.uwo.ca>

Date: 11 May 1995 22:52:25 GMT





     it is not phenylalanine, but indeed phenylethylamine.  it is an 

amphetamine that is classified amoung the 'pleasure' neurochemicals.  it is 

most commonly released during intercourse, with some other fun stuff.  it is 

also found in other things,(chocolate!), or a modified form of it.  

release of amphetamines leads to release of endorphins, and there is 

alot of speculation on this and the success of relationships.  endorphins 

commonly have a soothing effect, i think, that lead to feelings of well 

being.  sorry, i did a paper on this in highschool and i am trying to 

remember the content.  i do remember reading that the more you experience 

the 'rush' of phenylethylamine, the less effect it has.  also, the 

endorphins and amphetamines are addictive.  my bio prof told me once that 

all the endorphins and amphetamines produced in your body(brain) in a 

single day would go for about 6 million dollars on the street if they 

were drugs.

     sorry, i don't have my sources for all this available, so if i have 

misspoken any of it i apologize.  you should be able to check it if you 

have access to some science journals and texts and what-not.  if you're 

really interested that is.

later-

jason. 'the w(a/o)nderer'





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: bo869@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Carlene Paquette)

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 14:49:58 GMT



> Does anyone know if there is a connection between women with PMS who

> crave chocolate and phenylethylamine?  Are we actually craving

> relief in the form of released endorphins or some other effect of this

> substance?  Or is there another substance in chocolate that might 

> "draw" women towards it?  Just curious!

> 

> Kelly McNulty



Hi Kelly



I've heard that a chocolate craving is due to a lack of magnesium.  (Kind

of makes sense... pregnant women crave lots of weird foods for their

nutrients so why shouldn't everybody crave foods for their nutrients.)



Carlene



--

"I'm thinking of the immortal words of Socrates who said...  

       'I drank what?'" - from "Real Genius"

Carlene Paquette - Now Employed Geographer at Large - Ottawa, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chocolate and PMS

From: tavia@selway.umt.edu (J Waldrup)

Date: 14 May 1995 20:31:26 -0600





>Does anyone know if there is a connection between women with PMS who

>crave chocolate and phenylethylamine?  Are we actually craving

>relief in the form of released endorphins or some other effect of this

>substance?  Or is there another substance in chocolate that might 

>"draw" women towards it?  Just curious!



A female ObGyn told me that the craving for chocolate is 2 fold: first, 

we crave it because there is a ton of magnesium in it, which we need more 

of than we get in the average American diet. Second, she said that we 

crave caffeine, to help us get rid of the water we're retaining.  She 

also said that if you find yourself craving chocolate, the best thing to 

eat is M&M's, since the coating has a bunch of magnesium in it too. :)



Peace.



					Joni





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help.......can't get this to post !

From: stacy3@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Repecko, Stacy A.)

Date: 11 May 1995 13:00 MST





From: stacy3@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Repecko, Stacy A.)

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: depression

Date: 11 May 1995 12:55 MST

Distribution: world

Keywords:

Hi list.

Any herbs for depression and fatigue ?? !!!

Thanks

        Stacy  :-)



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: Re: Help.......can't get this to post !

From: vdavis@netins.net

Date: 17 May 1995 16:27:54 GMT



In article <11MAY199513003028@violet.ccit.arizona.edu>, stacy3@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Repecko, Stacy A.) writes:

>

>From: stacy3@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Repecko, Stacy A.)

>Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

>Subject: depression

>Date: 11 May 1995 12:55 MST

>Distribution: world

>Keywords:

>Hi list.

>Any herbs for depression and fatigue ?? !!!

>Thanks

>        Stacy  :-)

>

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I had awful depression and fatigue and started taking Klamuth lake blue green

algae and it lifted.  I was taking it everyday in the morning--I think my

depression stemmed from the fact that fatigue was taking all the fun out of my

life--I wasn't able to paint anymore due to lack of energy.  I recently ran out

and the lady I order from is on vacation and the fatigue has slowly creeped

back.  In one week you can order through 1-800-provo-24.>

>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Updated information on Chromium Picolinate (not an ad)

From: jcallicutt@aol.com (JCallicutt)

Date: 11 May 1995 16:17:35 -0400



In discussions of Chromium Picolinate, we are referring to the

nutritional form of Chromium known as Trivalent chromium.Chromium

in this form is non-toxic and water soluble, much like vitamin C

The word Picolinate is derived from Picolinic acid. Picolinic acid

is a natural mineral transporter manufactured in the liver and

kidneys. It is necessary to combine chromium with picolinic

acid for the reason that the chromium supplement has to have

a pathway to muscle tissue where it can be utilized.



     Studies show that as many as 90% of Americans are deficient

in chromium. While not all those who are chromium deficient

are overweight (the typical result of such a deficiency) Most overweight

people ARE deficient in chromium. The reasons are

that most overweight people are insensitive to the hormone insulin.

since insulin controls, to a large extent, the way your body metabolizes

ingested  fat and sugar, A deficiency here can result

in a weight control problem. In many cases poor insulin sensitivity

results from a deficiency in chromium. The physiological role

of chromium is to support the insulin sensitivity of the bodies tissues.

a deficiency here can trigger deficiencies eslewhere.



     Chromium is not a "miracle cure" for obesity, nor does ingesting

massive amounts of chromium give a person license to eat a poorly

structured diet. A strict diet regimen is NOT the key to successful

weight loss or maintenance with chromium. The key is to strictly

limit the intake of dietary fat. For weight loss no more than 10 fat

calories per hundred consumed, for maintenance, no more than 20.

The third factor is to eat regularly. A car won't run without fuel.

your body won't either. counting and limiting calories as a way

to lose weight will only force your body to store fat in the anticipation

of starving. It is possible to gain weight this way on 1000 calories

per day. On the other hand it is quite routine for a man or woman to

LOSE weight consuming 2500 calories per day, or more. The key

is not HOW MUCH you eat, but WHAT you eat. In most cases

the changes are simple but powerful. Switching from beef to poultry

for protein, increasing your intake of bread, rice & pasta, limiting

dairy products to skim milk & non-fat cheese. Eating vegetables

raw, not cooked. There are dozens of switches like this that can

make a large difference in your life. Chromium is only one link in

the chain. A very important link, but it must be combined with a healthy

diet

to be most effective. additional information is available

on request. Questions or comments can be E-mailed to JCallicutt@AOL.

I am collecting research in this area. Any feedback is appreciated





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Carcinogenic Herbs?

From: jon@shore.net (Jon Hoffman)

Date: 11 May 1995 21:50:02 GMT



	I saw in a post to this group that it was claimed that Borage was 

a Carcinogen. Is there any truth to this statement? Also are there any 

other herbs which are Carcinogenic?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Echinacea and AIDS

From: howieb@teleport.com (Howie Brounstein)

Date: 11 May 1995 21:50:15 GMT



Echinacea is an immune system stimulant that increases white blood cell count.

At a certain point in the developement of AIDS, the virus is in the places 

where white blood cells are produced, and instead of WBCs the system produces 

more of the virus....so......at a certain stage the ech would stimulate 

production of the virus.





In the same vein, if you are taking ech and go to doctor, and don't tell her 

you're taking it, she may think you white blood cell count is elevated because 

of an infection, which may or may not be true. This could through off her 

diagnosis, and generally screw things up.





Howie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb growing budget

From: behlert@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Brian Ehlert)

Date: 11 May 1995 18:14:21 -0600



Hi all.



I normally lurk a lot and speak rarely.



Currently I am looking for a budget for herbs.  Production economics that 

is.  mainly for culinary types.



It is for a rehab project, they want to project some of the costs that 

they will be getting into by using herbs, and to help them plan quantities.



Any pointers in any direction is very helpful.



And, of course, I need it very, very soon.



Pre-thanks.



TTFN



BrianE

-- 

=========

"I like my stupid life just the way it is, and the chaos that surrounds me

like a flock of screaming kids..."  - Boingo





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb distributors in the Chicago Are

From: hollyberry@delphi.com (Nicole Barr)

Date: 12 May 1995 00:29:00 GMT



> >In article <3ob65k$avd@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, <mjrada@aol.com> writes:

> >> Hi:

> >> Anyone know of a good low-cost herb distributor in the Chicago Area?

> >> 

> >> Thanks,

> >>    Mike

> >> 

> >> M. Rada

> >> E-Mail: MJRADA@AOL.COM



Whole Foods at Sheffield and North has never disappointed me.  Their prices

are reasonable, and they have always had whatever I came in there looking for. 



Herbs are sold by weight in any quantity, and some are available already in

capsules.  The capsules are also available in any quantity. 



Peace & Light

Nicole





Nicole Barr = Hollyberry@delphi.com

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Sometimes life is merely a matter of coffee and whatever intimacy a cup of

coffee affords. -Richard Brautigan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need help with mojo herb info

From: apmf@aol.com (APMF)

Date: 11 May 1995 21:17:38 -0400



Greetings, alt.folklore.herbologists.  I am doing some research on the

voodoo practice of preparing mojos.  Any information at all would be

appreciated.  Thanks in advance.  --Mary in Pacific Grove, CA





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Scars and Bruises

From: sweeti@slip.net

Date: 12 May 1995 01:35:38 GMT



I recently read that plain white sugar was rubbed into cuts and wounds to help prevent scarring. 

 Has anyone ever heard of this? I know sugar isn't an herb, but..well..if anyone would know I 

figured it would be someone on here. ;) 



Also, I remember running across something ages ago about an herb used to prevent bruising. 

Anyone know what that may be..and how to use it? (I just got two huge puppies and well..they 

love to jump and play. Let's just say I am tired of everyone asking who hit me after a play 

session with the pups ;D) 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Scars and Bruises

From: lholder@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Lori M. Holder-Webb)

Date: 12 May 1995 14:57:18 GMT



In article <3oue1a$5uq@slip-1.slip.net> sweeti@slip.net writes:

>I recently read that plain white sugar was rubbed into cuts and wounds to help prevent scarring. 

> Has anyone ever heard of this? I know sugar isn't an herb, but..well..if anyone would know I 

>figured it would be someone on here. ;) 



I think aloe would be better than sugar...that sounds kind of painful.



>Also, I remember running across something

>ages ago about an herb used to prevent bruising. 

>Anyone know what that may be..and how to use it? (I just got two huge 



Yarrow is supposed to be good for bruises. A friend of mine makes it into 

a poultice (I've never tried it).

LHW





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Scars and Bruises

From: mhoneth@inforamp.net

Date: 17 May 1995 15:23:14 -0400



In alt.folklore.herbs lholder@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu (Lori M. Holder-Webb)

said: 

 

 

>In article <3oue1a$5uq@slip-1.slip.net> sweeti@slip.net writes: 

>>I recently read that plain white sugar was rubbed into cuts and wounds to

help  

>prevent scarring.  

>> Has anyone ever heard of this? I know sugar isn't an herb, but..well..if

 

>anyone would know I  

>>figured it would be someone on here. ;)  

> 

>I think aloe would be better than sugar...that sounds kind of painful. 

> 

>>Also, I remember running across something 

>>ages ago about an herb used to prevent bruising.  

>>Anyone know what that may be..and how to use it? (I just got two huge  

> 

>Yarrow is supposed to be good for bruises. A friend of mine makes it into

a  

>poultice (I've never tried it). 

>LHW 

 

 

 

Hi - Arnica jelly (ready-made) has been recommended to me.  I use it often,

and think that it has helped prevent bruising on a few occasions. 

 

Carol @ Michael Honeth 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Scars and Bruises

From: rhiannon@indy.net (rhiannon)

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 16:19:57 GMT



sweeti@slip.net wrote:



>I recently read that plain white sugar was rubbed into cuts and wounds to help prevent scarring. 

> Has anyone ever heard of this? I know sugar isn't an herb, but..well..if anyone would know I 

>figured it would be someone on here. ;) 



>Also, I remember running across something ages ago about an herb used to prevent bruising. 

>Anyone know what that may be..and how to use it? (I just got two huge puppies and well..they 

>love to jump and play. Let's just say I am tired of everyone asking who hit me after a play 

>session with the pups ;D) 



I've also heard of people putting honey on cuts, it has antiseptic

properties. I'm not sure about the bruising though. I will check my

books and see what I can find out.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Scars and Bruises

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 08:54:33 -0700



In article <3ovqks$k97@indy-backup.indy.net>, rhiannon@indy.net (rhiannon)

wrote:



> sweeti@slip.net wrote:

> 

> >I recently read that plain white sugar was rubbed into cuts and wounds

to help prevent scarring. 

> > Has anyone ever heard of this? I know sugar isn't an herb,

but..well..if anyone would know I 

> >figured it would be someone on here. ;) 

> 

> >Also, I remember running across something ages ago about an herb used

to prevent bruising. 

> >Anyone know what that may be..and how to use it? (I just got two huge

puppies and well..they 

> >love to jump and play. Let's just say I am tired of everyone asking who

hit me after a play 

> >session with the pups ;D) 

> 

> I've also heard of people putting honey on cuts, it has antiseptic

> properties. I'm not sure about the bruising though. I will check my

> books and see what I can find out.





                    Differences between sugar and honey would be that the

wound would completely dry out with sugar, ok if you need the wound to dry

up, and honey would dry the wound somewhat but it would seal the moisture

in also and it does not competely dry out, this would be for sores you do

not want to dry out yet.                           

                 Now as for prevention of bruising, I think you need to

look at your recent history.   If you have taken antibiotics recently?

Then you may need to replace the flora of your intestines, so you will be

producing enough vitamin K. Things to help replace the flora of your

intestines and help provide vitamin K are: yougurt,  cabbage, spinach,

kale, cauliflower .

           Are you taking asprin every day?or any other anti-coagulant? 

Talk to your doctor about this, the risks and benifits need to be weighed

before you discontinue an anti-coagulant. Your doc might  adjust your

doseage.

         Some people need some additional  vitamin C and bioflavonides 

they increase your capilary  strength and help keep  the tissues from

being so fragile.  Some dietary sorces are citrus fruits and the white

stuff under the peel, sweet peppers, fresh greens, strawberries,  rose

hips , black currants and

guava.                                                                                           

Sharon Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Scars and Bruises

From: Sue Dekker <spd2@unix.york.ac.uk>

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 10:41:49 +0100



Arnica works really well for bruises.  You can get it in tablet form

from health food stores.  I have two young kiddies and use it all the 

time.  Hope this helps.



Sue





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Scars and Bruises

From: johnna@unixg.ubc.ca (Johnna E Fisher)

Date: 16 May 1995 22:04:28 GMT





For Bruises, this *really* works:



Melt white petrolium jelly in a double boiler slowly.  Add calendula and 

wormwood and simmer gently for 1 hour.  Strain thru cheesecloth, 

squeezing very gently.  Simmer liquid again and add enough melted beeswax 

to create a creamy, soft consistency.  



Apply this concoction to skin immediately after bumps have occured.  It 

will not work after the bruise has already formed, but is excellent at 

stoping one from forming.  



Once I dropped a full can of apple juice on the top of my foot.  After 

quickly applying the bruise balm I did not get a bruise, altho the foot was 

tender to the touch.  I find it works wonders with my young daughter, esp 

for knees and forehead (can't stand when she walks around with big 

bruises on her forehead from learning to walk & bumping into things).  

Since it needs to be used right away after bumps, I keep a small pot of 

it in my purse.

  

Good luck!

Johnna





 sweeti@slip.net wrote:

: I recently read that plain white sugar was rubbed into cuts and wounds to help prevent scarring. 

:  Has anyone ever heard of this? I know sugar isn't an herb, but..well..if anyone would know I 

: figured it would be someone on here. ;) 



: Also, I remember running across something ages ago about an herb used to prevent bruising. 

: Anyone know what that may be..and how to use it? (I just got two huge puppies and well..they 

: love to jump and play. Let's just say I am tired of everyone asking who hit me after a play 

: session with the pups ;D) 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Scars and Bruises

From: twoatara@aol.com (Twoatara)

Date: 19 May 1995 02:34:23 -0400



Freeze some witchhazel in an icecube tray, and rub on sore spots.  This

should prevent bruising and swelling





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: moth repellent

From: Bill_Senay@mindlink.bc.ca (Bill Senay)

Date: Thu, 11 May 95 18:11:29 -0800



camphor works well as a moth repellent. Buy a solid camphor block at your

pharmacy, remove the wrapper, wrap it in a piece of paper and place it in

the bottom drawer of your dresser or wherever you keep your woolens. It is

inexpensive and smells better than mothballs.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: LOW PRICED MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTIONS

From: mags@mars.superlink.net

Date: 12 May 1995 03:27:34 GMT



  

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Booklets

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Thu, 11 May 95 22:52:00 EST



Since I've received several requests for ordering and title information for

the Herbal Muse Press booklets, I thought I would post some information

here.



The Herbal Muse Press is a newly launched small press company. You may have

seen our ad in the current issue of the Herb Companion.  If not, we offer

the following titles:



~ How to Make Herbal Cosmetics ~   details procedures & recipes for making

facial cleansers, astringents, toners, shampoos, hair conditioners and soaps

using herbal infusions and essential oils.  Includes instruction on making

essential oils at home, suggested equipment, extensive list of suppliers

>from  every corner of the U.S. and a few in the UK.



We are also accepting orders for the following titles scheduled for

publication in the July/August time frame:



~ How to Make Herbal Incense & Candles ~  candle and incense making is fun

and easy!  Complete instructions & inspirations for every mood.



~ Healing with Herbs ~ A comprehensive and practical guide to common (and

some not-so-common) ailments which respond well to botanical treatment.

Well documented and includes dietary recommendations, dosage of medicinal

herbs and a guide to aromatherapy where appropriate.



~ Herbal Breads & Spreads ~  just what it sounds like....everything from

herbal butters to jellies, including recipes for great tasting bread &

crackers to spread them on!



~ Gardens that Dye ~  for the fabric and craft enthusiast who wants to make

their own dyes to color fabric, wool, etc.  Includes instructions for making

personalized stationery and ink.  Lots of gift-giving ideas here...



~ Herbal Cleaning ~  It's not as difficult as you think to replace most of

your household cleaners with formulas made from natural plant extracts

yourself.  You'll not only be saving money -- you'll be protecting yourself,

your children and the precious environment from the many toxins existing in

commercial products.



Each booklet is $6.95 (already includes postage & handling), NYS residents

must add sales tax. To order send a check or money order to The Herbal Muse

Press, 5 Birchwood Drive South, Saugerties, NY 12477





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Booklets

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Thu, 11 May 95 22:52:00 EST



Since I've received several requests for ordering and title information for

the Herbal Muse Press booklets, I thought I would post some information

here.



The Herbal Muse Press is a newly launched small press company. You may have

seen our ad in the current issue of the Herb Companion.  If not, we offer

the following titles:



~ How to Make Herbal Cosmetics ~   details procedures & recipes for making

facial cleansers, astringents, toners, shampoos, hair conditioners and soaps

using herbal infusions and essential oils.  Includes instruction on making

essential oils at home, suggested equipment, extensive list of suppliers

>from  every corner of the U.S. and a few in the UK.



We are also accepting orders for the following titles scheduled for

publication in the July/August time frame:



~ How to Make Herbal Incense & Candles ~  candle and incense making is fun

and easy!  Complete instructions & inspirations for every mood.



~ Healing with Herbs ~ A comprehensive and practical guide to common (and

some not-so-common) ailments which respond well to botanical treatment.

Well documented and includes dietary recommendations, dosage of medicinal

herbs and a guide to aromatherapy where appropriate.



~ Herbal Breads & Spreads ~  just what it sounds like....everything from

herbal butters to jellies, including recipes for great tasting bread &

crackers to spread them on!



~ Gardens that Dye ~  for the fabric and craft enthusiast who wants to make

their own dyes to color fabric, wool, etc.  Includes instructions for making

personalized stationery and ink.  Lots of gift-giving ideas here...



~ Herbal Cleaning ~  It's not as difficult as you think to replace most of

your household cleaners with formulas made from natural plant extracts

yourself.  You'll not only be saving money -- you'll be protecting yourself,

your children and the precious environment from the many toxins existing in

commercial products.



Each booklet is $6.95 (already includes postage & handling), NYS residents

must add sales tax. To order send a check or money order to The Herbal Muse

Press, 5 Birchwood Drive South, Saugerties, NY 12477





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: schisandra

From: mcdonnel@rs6a.wln.com (Stephen P McDonnell)

Date: 12 May 1995 14:20:42 GMT



Does anyone know if schisandra contains caffeine?  If it does, would you

tell me where/how you found this information?  Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: schisandra

From: richard.grossman@greatesc.com (Richard Grossman)

Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 15:43:00 GMT



SP>Does anyone know if schisandra contains caffeine?  If it does, would

SP>you tell me where/how you found this information?  Thanks.



Fructus Schizandrae Chinensis contains no caffeine. In really large 

doses (15 mg/kg in mice) it is toxic to mice.  This would be a nearly 

impossible dosage for a anyone to get down.  It does have some stimulant 

effects, though I'm not sure which part of it causes this effect.



******************************************************

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               (310) 358-6125(voice mail)

              

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: schisandra

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 17 May 95 17:39:04 PST



In message ID <3ovqrq$b52@calliope.wln.com> on 5/12/95, Stephen P McDonnell

<mcdonnel@rs6a.wln.com> wrote:



: Does anyone know if schisandra contains caffeine?  If it does, would you

: tell me where/how you found this information?  Thanks.



It absolutely does NOT. My copy of 'Chinese Drugs of Plant Origins,' the

definitive work on the subject of the plant chemistry of that group of herbals

list three pages of chemicals found in Schizandra, none of which is caffeine or

anything like caffeine. Mostly, the active ingredients are Shisantherins and a

bunch of lignans that are active against liver disease.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need Growing Tips

From: char@wizards.com (Charlotte O'Hare)

Date: 12 May 1995 16:29:39 GMT



I am waiting for seeds for Sea Buckthorn, Ginko, Guava, Eucalyptus and

Condonopsis(sp?) in the mail.  I would like to grow these plants inside. 

Any basic growing tips that I can use?



char@wizards.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: gum tragacanth

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 12 May 95 13:18:00 EST



>I bought an old apothecary jar with a label on it with Gum Tragacanth

>and some of this old powder still in the jar. What is this stuff and

>what was it used for? I would like to leave it in the jar but if it is

>poisonous it is going out to be disposed of. Thanks for the info.



Don't eat it!!  It's a binding substance used in making incense.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: gum tragacanth

From: dscott@ais.net (Don Scott)

Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 04:42:19 GMT



In article <ALFOHE.A94F@kotl.uu.ids.net> karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net writes:

Gum tragacanth is a harmless thickening agent.  Without knowing it's hisotyr, 

I wouldn't use it in foods, but it is certainly not poisonous.  Some of its 

uses are in non-food items, but that doesn't make it unfit for food use.



>>I bought an old apothecary jar with a label on it with Gum Tragacanth

>>and 

some of this old powder still in the jar. What is this stuff and

>>what was it 

used for? I would like to leave it in the jar but if it is

>>poisonous it is 

going out to be disposed of. Thanks for the info.



>Don't eat it!!  It's a binding substance used in making incense.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: help for high blood pressure

From: spw203@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Pat Welsh)

Date: 12 May 1995 21:31:57 GMT



What (natural methods) do you recommend for treating high blood pressure?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 03:24:35 GMT



In article <3p0k4d$abe@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Pat Welsh <pwelsh@nwu.edu> wrote:

>What (natural methods) do you recommend for treating high blood pressure?



Mild weight loss (assuming the individual is overweight) often makes

a remarkable difference.



-- 

Steve Dyer

dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes)

Date: 13 May 1995 04:33:57 GMT



  Pat Welsh <pwelsh@nwu.edu> wrote:

  >What (natural methods) do you recommend for treating high 

  >blood pressure?



1.Avoid gratuitous salt & fat, and don't eat anything advertised on TV.

2.Slowly work-up to doing regular, modest, aerobic exercise adjusted to

  _your_ particular age, weight, and cardiovascular condition.

3.Don't forget to _enjoy_ your life...if you're not doing something

   fun for yourself already...start. 

4.Take five or so minutes each day at a particular time and devote

   it to _letting_ your thoughts wander aimlessly.



Not bad advice no matter what your blood pressure...but particularly

good for many people with mild hypertension. All 'natural' too, doncha-

know ;')



JB.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: vdavis@netins.net

Date: 17 May 1995 16:42:48 GMT



In article <3p1crl$f5v@agate.berkeley.edu>, romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes) writes:

>  Pat Welsh <pwelsh@nwu.edu> wrote:

>  >What (natural methods) do you recommend for treating high 

>  >blood pressure?

>

>1.Avoid gratuitous salt & fat, and don't eat anything advertised on TV.

>2.Slowly work-up to doing regular, modest, aerobic exercise adjusted to

>  _your_ particular age, weight, and cardiovascular condition.

>3.Don't forget to _enjoy_ your life...if you're not doing something

>   fun for yourself already...start. 

>4.Take five or so minutes each day at a particular time and devote

>   it to _letting_ your thoughts wander aimlessly.

>

>Not bad advice no matter what your blood pressure...but particularly

>good for many people with mild hypertension. All 'natural' too, doncha-

>know ;')

>

>JB.

>



Hawthorn berries,leaves and flowers have been mentioned in the British Medical

Journal for high blood pressure caused by hardening of the arteries and kidney

disease.  You can get Hawthorn to try at any good herbalist or health food

store--I've even seen it in some pharmacy stock at the grocery store.  The

advice preceding this is good advice for us all (fromJB.).  Good luck.



Donna





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: rpamnani@netcom.com (ron pamnani)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 08:45:05 GMT



Pat Welsh (spw203@lulu.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:

: What (natural methods) do you recommend for treating high blood pressure?



I understand that garlic taken as a dietary supplement can reduce blood 

serum cholestrol levels and thereby lower blood pressure levels. Also  

high fiber diets (as opposed to high sugar diets) require less insulin to 

aid in digestion, and can lower blood pressure levels as much as 10 to 15 

points over the long run.



 - RP

-- 

                                             rpamnani@netcom.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 09:21:59 -0700



In article <rpamnaniD8IDn6.7CK@netcom.com>, rpamnani@netcom.com (ron

pamnani) wrote:



> Pat Welsh (spw203@lulu.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:

> : What (natural methods) do you recommend for treating high blood pressure?

> 

> I understand that garlic taken as a dietary supplement can reduce blood 

> serum cholestrol levels and thereby lower blood pressure levels. Also  

> high fiber diets (as opposed to high sugar diets) require less insulin to 

> aid in digestion, and can lower blood pressure levels as much as 10 to 15 

> points over the long run.

> 

>  - RP

> -- 

>                                              rpamnani@netcom.com



        Steve Dyer and John have given  good  dietary and exercise advise.

In  addition I would like to say that my grandparents  both used the

garlic  which brought there Bp  enough that the meds were no longer

needed.      S Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: ALEV56A@prodigy.com (Jeffrey King)

Date: 15 May 1995 05:48:59 GMT



>

>> Pat Welsh (spw203@lulu.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:

>> : What (natural methods) do you recommend for treating high blood 

pressure?

>> 



     Reishi mushroom is very effective by itself to lower BP.  It is an 

ACE inhibitor, in common with such prescription drugs as Capoten or 

Vasotec.  It also has cholesterol lowering and anti-inflammatory effects, 

is is considered an excellent general tonic.  Extracts and capsules are 

available from many sources.



*** Insert witty footer here ***



  JEFFREY KING  ALEV56A@prodigy.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: ak905@torfree.net (Joel Sparovec)

Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 04:42:27 GMT



ron pamnani (rpamnani@netcom.com) wrote:

: Pat Welsh (spw203@lulu.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:

: : What (natural methods) do you recommend for treating high blood pressure?



: I understand that garlic taken as a dietary supplement can reduce blood 

: serum cholestrol levels and thereby lower blood pressure levels. Also  

: high fiber diets (as opposed to high sugar diets) require less insulin to 

: aid in digestion, and can lower blood pressure levels as much as 10 to 15 

: points over the long run.



:  - RP

: -- 

:                                              rpamnani@netcom.com

Does this mean one does the exact opposite if one experiences low blood 

pressure?



-- 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: dtstrs@leba.net (Lone Wolf)

Date: 20 May 1995 18:33:30 GMT



In article <D8v12s.HJM@torfree.net>, ak905@torfree.net says...

>

>ron pamnani (rpamnani@netcom.com) wrote:

>: Pat Welsh (spw203@lulu.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:

>: : What (natural methods) do you recommend for treating high blood 

pressure?

>

>: I understand that garlic taken as a dietary supplement can reduce blood 

>: serum cholestrol levels and thereby lower blood pressure levels. Also  

>: high fiber diets (as opposed to high sugar diets) require less insulin to 

>: aid in digestion, and can lower blood pressure levels as much as 10 to 15 

>: points over the long run.

>

>:  - RP

>: -- 

>:                                              rpamnani@netcom.com

>Does this mean one does the exact opposite if one experiences low blood 

>pressure?



Another popular help for all heart pgoblems including fatty degeneration of 

the heart, and blood pressure is Hawthorn.  A tincture can be made from the 

berries, and an infusion can be made just as the buds are about to bloom.  

The dosages for the tincture would be 5-12 drops three times a day, and for 

the infusion, two tablespoons of buds to one cup boiling water twice a day.



WARNING : As with all herbal remedies check with your doctor first!

.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)

Date: 22 May 1995 16:58:21 GMT



In article <3plclq$erp@fig.leba.net> dtstrs@leba.net (Lone Wolf) writes:

>

>WARNING : As with all herbal remedies check with your doctor first!



Why? What would your doctor know about herbal remedies?

-- 

******************************************************************************

Robert Greenstein                 When you're right 95% of the time,

green@island.com                  why quibble over the remaining 3% ?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: srussell@ix.netcom.com (Sandra Russell)

Date: 23 May 1995 05:51:55 GMT



In <3pqfrd$4h7@pigeon.island.com> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) 

writes: 



>

>In article <3plclq$erp@fig.leba.net> dtstrs@leba.net (Lone Wolf) 

writes:

>>

>>WARNING : As with all herbal remedies check with your doctor first!

>

>Why? What would your doctor know about herbal remedies?

>-- 

>***********************************************************************

*******

>Robert Greenstein                 When you're right 95% of the time,

>green@island.com                  why quibble over the remaining 3% ?

>





Maybe more than the guy who sold you the stuff in the health food store.



                                            Steve Harris, M.D.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein)

Date: 23 May 1995 18:01:01 GMT



In article <3prt5r$aba@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> srussell@ix.netcom.com (Sandra Russell) writes:

>In <3pqfrd$4h7@pigeon.island.com> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) 

>writes: 

>

>>In article <3plclq$erp@fig.leba.net> dtstrs@leba.net (Lone Wolf) 

>writes:

>>>

>>>WARNING : As with all herbal remedies check with your doctor first!

>>

>>Why? What would your doctor know about herbal remedies?

>>-- 

>

>Maybe more than the guy who sold you the stuff in the health food store.

>

>                                            Steve Harris, M.D.



Well that's not saying a whole lot, is it?

-- 

******************************************************************************

Robert Greenstein                 When you're right 95% of the time,

green@island.com                  why quibble over the remaining 3% ?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: srussell@ix.netcom.com (Sandra Russell)

Date: 24 May 1995 20:50:28 GMT



In <3pt7st$o2t@pigeon.island.com> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) 

writes: 



>

>In article <3prt5r$aba@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> srussell@ix.netcom.com 

(Sandra Russell) writes:

>>In <3pqfrd$4h7@pigeon.island.com> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) 

>>writes: 

>>

>>>In article <3plclq$erp@fig.leba.net> dtstrs@leba.net (Lone Wolf) 

>>writes:

>>>>

>>>>WARNING : As with all herbal remedies check with your doctor first!

>>>

>>>Why? What would your doctor know about herbal remedies?

>>>-- 

>>

>>Maybe more than the guy who sold you the stuff in the health food 

store.

>>

>>                                            Steve Harris, M.D.

>

>Well that's not saying a whole lot, is it?

>-- 





   No, but again quoting Josh Billings, it aint the stuff you know that 

hurts you, its the stuff you know that just aint so!  You're probably 

going to be fine to first approximation if you never took any herbs at 

all, figuring they all had iffy cost benefit ratios.  If you can find 

somebody who has taken classes in pharmacognosy at an accredited 

academic institution, fine.  Or even somebody who has read books by such 

people.  What you're usually going to get about herb lore when going to 

a naturopath or chiropractor, however, is 90% crap (read anything by 

Dr. Donovan-- crap!).  At worst, you'll get something dangerous like 

comfrey or sassafras.



                                             Steve Harris, M.D.         

                                 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: justtony@lava.net (tony de marco)

Date: Fri, 26 May 95 21:08:25 HST



In article <3q066k$rcj@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, srussell@ix.netcom.com 

says...

>

>In <3pt7st$o2t@pigeon.island.com> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) 

>writes: 

>

>>

>>In article <3prt5r$aba@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> srussell@ix.netcom.com 

>(Sandra Russell) writes:

>>>In <3pqfrd$4h7@pigeon.island.com> green@island.COM (Robert Greenstein) 

>>>writes: 

>>>

>>>>In article <3plclq$erp@fig.leba.net> dtstrs@leba.net (Lone Wolf) 

>>>writes:

>>>>>

>>>>>WARNING : As with all herbal remedies check with your doctor first!

>>>>

>>>>Why? What would your doctor know about herbal remedies?

>>>>-- 

>>>

>>>Maybe more than the guy who sold you the stuff in the health food 

>store.

>>>

>>>                                            Steve Harris, M.D.

>>

>>Well that's not saying a whole lot, is it?

>>-- 

>

>

>   No, but again quoting Josh Billings, it aint the stuff you know that 

>hurts you, its the stuff you know that just aint so!  You're probably 

>going to be fine to first approximation if you never took any herbs at 

>all, figuring they all had iffy cost benefit ratios.  If you can find 

>somebody who has taken classes in pharmacognosy at an accredited 

>academic institution, fine.  Or even somebody who has read books by such 

>people.  What you're usually going to get about herb lore when going to 

>a naturopath or chiropractor, however, is 90% crap (read anything by 

>Dr. Donovan-- crap!).  At worst, you'll get something dangerous like 

>comfrey or sassafras.

>

>                                             Steve Harris, M.D.         

>                                 

Looks like Steve Harris knows more than God -- Herbs are mentioned 57 

times in the Old Testament alone.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: srussell@ix.netcom.com (Sandra Russell)

Date: 31 May 1995 18:53:28 GMT



In <3q6k97$su7@malasada.lava.net> justtony@lava.net (tony de marco) 

writes: 





>>   No, but again quoting Josh Billings, it aint the stuff you know 

that hurts you, its the stuff you know that just aint so!  You're 

probably going to be fine to first approximation if you never took any 

herbs at all, figuring they all had iffy cost benefit ratios.  If you 

can find somebody who has taken classes in pharmacognosy at an 

accredited academic institution, fine.  Or even somebody who has read 

books by such people.  What you're usually going to get about herb lore 

when going to a naturopath or chiropractor, however, is 90% crap (read 

anything by Dr. Donovan-- crap!).  At worst, you'll get something 

dangerous like comfrey or sassafras.

>>

>>                                             Steve Harris, M.D.       

  

                                





Tony: >Looks like Steve Harris knows more than God -- Herbs are 

mentioned 57 times in the Old Testament alone.

>





Ah, Tony, I hope I don't shock you terminally, but I have serious doubts 

that the bible (or any holy book) was writen or dictated by God.  

Backing your arguments up with this idea won't get you anywhere at all 

with me.



                                         Steve





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 27 May 1995 00:15:46 GMT



>>>WARNING : As with all herbal remedies check with your doctor first!

>>

>>Why? What would your doctor know about herbal remedies?

> 

>Maybe more than the guy who sold you the stuff in the health food store.

> 

>                                            Steve Harris, M.D.



     Not likely! 



     Duane Weed, D.C.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: ndtck@onramp.net (Nancy Duncan)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 09:04:49 -0600



In article <3p0k4d$abe@news.acns.nwu.edu>, pwelsh@nwu.edu wrote:



> What (natural methods) do you recommend for treating high blood pressure?





Enrich International 1-800-307-3366 has a product called Super BP Extra

that you might try.  It is a combination herb containing Fumitory,

Knollerisonnenblume, Persian Garlic, Onion, Strawberry Leaves, Raspberry

Leaves, Garlic, Citruce, Pear, Calcome, Rueprechtskraut, Vite and Licorice

Root.  General uses for combinations such as this are for circulatory

system, blood pressure and heart.

ndtck@onramp.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for high blood pressure

From: srichard@nmt.edu (Scott Richardson)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 21:53:00 GMT



In article <ndtck-1305950904490001@turnpike03.onramp.net>,

Nancy Duncan <ndtck@onramp.net> wrote:

>In article <3p0k4d$abe@news.acns.nwu.edu>, pwelsh@nwu.edu wrote:

>

>> What (natural methods) do you recommend for treating high blood pressure?

>

>

>Enrich International 1-800-307-3366 has a product called Super BP Extra

>that you might try.  It is a combination herb containing Fumitory,

>Knollerisonnenblume, Persian Garlic, Onion, Strawberry Leaves, Raspberry

>Leaves, Garlic, Citruce, Pear, Calcome, Rueprechtskraut, Vite and Licorice

>Root.  General uses for combinations such as this are for circulatory

>system, blood pressure and heart.

>ndtck@onramp.net





WHAT??? LICORICE ROOT???  Licorice root is proven to RAISE B.P.

levels!



Scott R.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chocolate cravings...endorphins,sugar, or caffeine?

From: liz@ervose.mv.com (Liz & Ralph  Vose)

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 23:03:29 GMT



Hi



Has anyone done tests to discover if a strong craving for chocolate is

because of a need for sugar or caffeine or endorphins?  All three are

addictive, I think.



Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Recommendations for asthma

From: ez021508@bambam.ucdavis.edu (Michael Jeffrey)

Date: 12 May 1995 23:35:49 GMT



Can anyone recommend something for asthma?  I'm not

looking for something reactive (during an attack),

but more along the lines of prevention.  Hopefully,

something safe that one could take daily.

 

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!



Thanks,

 

Michael

ez021508@peseta.ucdavis.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Recommendations for asthma

From: crazyshell@aol.com (Crazyshell)

Date: 15 May 1995 15:31:10 -0400



I have had good luck using gingko biloba - it has something to do with PAF

(Platelet activating factor). I don't recall all the details of *how * it

works.



In addition, if your asthma is allergy related take lots of vitamin C and

vitamin B complex. You may also want to look into homeopathic remedies for

inflammation, congestion and allergies. I would recommend finding a

holistic MD or a naturopath to help you since find the right homeopathic

remedies can be a bit hit or miss.



Quercetin (a bioflavinoid) is excellent for inflammation.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Recommendations for asthma

From: cmorton@aol.com (C MORTON)

Date: 16 May 1995 00:35:06 -0400



My brother went off all soda pop and his asthma was greatly reduced, in

fact it's just about gone.  Cheryse





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Recommendations for asthma

From: John Edwards <bopper@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au>

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 16:26:19 +1000



On 12 May 1995, Michael Jeffrey wrote:



> Can anyone recommend something for asthma?  I'm not

> looking for something reactive (during an attack),

> but more along the lines of prevention.  Hopefully,

> something safe that one could take daily.

>  

> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!

> 

> Thanks,

>  

> Michael

> ez021508@peseta.ucdavis.edu

> 

>Michael,

 I have a friend who is an asthmatic and she 

has found that wearing or carrying a piece of Rose Quartz has helped in 

preventing her attacks- it also keeps her calmer which prevents onsets. 

Also there are a number of Essential Oils that can be used through 

inhalation, massage or in the bath. Here are just a few- 

Cypress,Eucalyptus,Fennel,Frankincense,Lavender. She burns Lavender 

in an oil burner mainly as it also relaxes the rest of her clan and makes 

the house smell nice. 

 

I hope that this info helps.

Jill

Life's what happens while your making other plans!		





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Recommendations for asthma

From: hamilton@sydney.DIALix.oz.au (James Hamilton)

Date: 17 May 1995 21:16:25 +1000



ez021508@bambam.ucdavis.edu (Michael Jeffrey) writes:



>Can anyone recommend something for asthma?  I'm not

>looking for something reactive (during an attack),

>but more along the lines of prevention.  Hopefully,

>something safe that one could take daily.

> 

The Butekyo method, a breathing exercise system from russia is worth 

investigating.

-- 

______________________________________________________________________________

James Hamilton						PO Box K144

hamilton@sydney.dialix.oz.au				Haymarket NSW 2000

							Australia



	"Look! Leaves falling up to trees... Ah, butterflies"

_____________________________________________________________________________





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chromium Picolinate

From: Paul@unicomp.net (Paul Wayne)

Date: 13 May 1995 00:14:46 GMT



International Journal of Biosocial and Medical Research

Vol. 13(2); 152-153, 1991



Chromium Picolinate and Bariatric Medicine



Foundation for Biosocial Research, Tacoma, WA



RESEARCH AND REVIEW



New evidence from a double-blind, placebo-controlled study of adults suggest that

supplementation with 200-400 mcg./d of chromium picolinate (CrP) may improve body

composition and cause weight loss in healthy adults independent of exercise activity.



Chromium picolinate has previously been shown to reduce cholesterol, lower blood sugar levels

of diabetics, reduce body fat, and promote the development of lean muscle mass in humans.

Recent dietary surveys continue to indicate that the vast majority of adults and children consume

inadequate intakes of chromium in their diet.



Two recent controlled studies have demonstrated that when 200 mcg./d of CrP are given to

recreational or college athletes they experience enhanced muscle development and loss of body

fat. This has suggested that CrP would be a safe and non-toxic alternative to steroid use by

athletes. It has been believed that to aquire such muscle development requires resistance

exercise at least three times a week. Recently reported studies in pigs and humans indicate that

CrP builds muscle mass independent of exercise.



One study conducted in the Department of Animal Sciences at Lousiana State University has

examined the effect of CrP on growth and carcass characteristics of growing pigs. It was found

that in non-exercising pigs with equal weight, ancestry, and gender, given either CrP or

chromium chloride, only the CrP pigs showed an 18% increase in the muscling and loin eye area

and a 21% reduction in rib fat, using a randomized complete block design. The effect of CrP was

linear. A second LSU study showed that 200 mcg./d of CrP also reduced the serum cholestorol in

growing-finishing pigs. Again, this effect was seen only in the CrP, but not the chromium chloride

(CrC13), supplemented pigs.



In a seperate study out of San Antonio, Texas, a team of doctors specializing in psychology,

anatomical pathology, bariatric medicine, and internal medicine, studied two groups of adults

(average ages were 36 and 55 years old, respectively). Each group was given either CrP or

placebo in a randomized double-blind trial. During the study none of the subjects was instructed

to change his or her food intake or exercise activity. For 72 consecutive days, subjects

consumed two nutritional drinks a day containing either 0 mcg. (placebo), 100 mcg., or 200 mcg.

of chromium picolinate.



At the end of the study the placebo group showed no significant changes in body composition.  In

contrast, the chromium supplemented group showed signifigant (p>0.001) improvements in body

composition (defined as a reduction in body fat and an increase in lean body mass). On the

average, the chromium supplemented group lost 4.2 lbs. of body fat and increased 1.4 lbs. of

lean body mass, while the placebo group lost only 0.3 lbs. The improvement in men was greater,

averaging 7.7 lbs. vs. 1.0 lbs. for the malee placebo group.  Changes in body composition were

greater in the older group or those receiving 400 mcg./d of CrP.



The authors of this study conclude that supplementation with a minimum of 200 mcg. per day as

chromium picolinate can lead to significant improvement in body composition in adults of mid-

and mid-late age ranges. There is no indication, however, that such improvements continue after

supplementation is terminated.



These results continue to confirm the benifits of chromium picolinate as a safe adjunct in weight

management.



The best Chromium Picolinate supplement. $1/day. Info, Paul@Unicomp.Net..

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: GREY HAIR , Deficiency??

From: Romel Cordeiro <rasa@maui.net>

Date: 13 May 1995 00:35:22 GMT



I have a friend that is 38 has 1/10 of his hair gray.He use 

to dye with a heavy chemical ,hair analysis came up with high 

mercury contents in the body.He wants to know if there is any 

vitamin or mineral that coul return the color of his hair??

Thanks Romel    rasa@maui.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GREY HAIR , Deficiency??

From: sharonetti@aol.com (Sharonetti)

Date: 13 May 1995 10:13:39 -0400



B-vitamins (all taken together).  It will take a while, but I've seen it

happen that people with a lot of grey in their hair start getting color

back.  Interesting happening.   I prefer to keep mine, I earned it!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GREY HAIR , Deficiency??

From: jfoster@iadfw.net (John Foster)

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 16:35:28 GMT



Romel Cordeiro <rasa@maui.net> wrote:



>I have a friend that is 38 has 1/10 of his hair gray.He use 

>to dye with a heavy chemical ,hair analysis came up with high 

>mercury contents in the body.He wants to know if there is any 

>vitamin or mineral that coul return the color of his hair??

>Thanks Romel    rasa@maui.net

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If your friend was diagnosed as having mercury in his hair samples, he

has a much more serious problem than graying hair, and should seek

medical attention immediately!

John Foster 

AdVance Companies

1504 Jasmine Lane

Suite A

Plano, Texas 75074-5263



Tel: (214) 423-4690

Fax: (214) 424-5268



E-Mail:  jfoster@iadfw.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Snoring?!

From: Jeff Anderson <banger@u.washington.edu>

Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 20:07:02 -0700



I was wondering if anyone could recommend an herb/tea/? to help quiet my 

snoring.  I was born with a bronchial problem, and I am afraid that my 

smoking does not help.  Besides quitting smoking, does anyone have any 

recommendations.  If so, please E-mail me:  banger@u.washington.edu



Thanks,



Jeff





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Snoring?!

From: sharonetti@aol.com (Sharonetti)

Date: 13 May 1995 10:11:08 -0400



ME, TOO!  My poor husband has to put up with it!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Snoring?!

From: jfoster@iadfw.net (John Foster)

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 16:39:01 GMT



sharonetti@aol.com (Sharonetti) wrote:



>ME, TOO!  My poor husband has to put up with it!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have found that these "Breath Rite" things that you wear on your

nose at night really work. My wife has been very greatful for them.

John Foster

jfoster@iadfw.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Snoring?!

From: larryb@gate.net (Lawrence A. Benjamin)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 06:03:18 GMT



Jeff Anderson <banger@u.washington.edu> wrote:



>I was wondering if anyone could recommend an herb/tea/? to help quiet my 

>snoring.  I was born with a bronchial problem, and I am afraid that my 

>smoking does not help.  Besides quitting smoking, does anyone have any 

>recommendations.  If so, please E-mail me:  banger@u.washington.edu



>Thanks,



>Jeff



Posting this for a co-worker whose girlfriend  is threatening to sleep

in another room.



ME TOO.    Please Email me as I don't normally read this newsgroup.

larryb@gate.net



tks    de larry benjamin WA2OGA





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cattail roots

From: rhiannon@indy.net (rhiannon)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 04:29:15 GMT



My aunt used to fix baked cattail roots with meals sometimes, they are

wonderful. However, I don't remember what time of year you are

supposed to harvest them. I know that it is just in a month or so that

you can, any other time and they are tough and bitter. Does anyone

have any info on this or any recipes using cattail roots?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: rhiannon@indy.net

Subject: Re: cattail roots

From: Cathy <Cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 15 May 1995 00:48:09 GMT



I would be interested in what you find out about this.  I know where I 

can get some wild cattail root.  I have always wanted to try them, ever 

since reading in a book that they are edible.



Cathy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cattail roots

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 18:56:57 -0700



In article <3p15c6$6o3@indy-backup.indy.net>, rhiannon@indy.net wrote:



> My aunt used to fix baked cattail roots with meals sometimes, they are

> wonderful. However, I don't remember what time of year you are

> supposed to harvest them. I know that it is just in a month or so that

> you can, any other time and they are tough and bitter. Does anyone

> have any info on this or any recipes using cattail roots?



         I don't know about the roots, the new sprouts in early

spring,pulled up , leaves removed and peeled.  You can eat the inner part

raw or steamed.     Sharon Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cattail roots

From: bo869@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Carlene Paquette)

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 14:04:15 GMT





In a previous posting, rhiannon (rhiannon@indy.net) writes:

> My aunt used to fix baked cattail roots with meals sometimes, they are

> wonderful. However, I don't remember what time of year you are

> supposed to harvest them. I know that it is just in a month or so that

> you can, any other time and they are tough and bitter. Does anyone

> have any info on this or any recipes using cattail roots?

> 

This isn't really a recipe but I've read (when I worked at a National

Park) that some pioneers harvested cattail roots, ground them into powder

and used this in a similar fashion as flour.



Carlene



--

"I'm thinking of the immortal words of Socrates who said...  

       'I drank what?'" - from "Real Genius"

Carlene Paquette - Now Employed Geographer at Large - Ottawa, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cattail roots

From: cdeleo@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Claire DeLeo)

Date: 15 May 1995 10:02:11 -0600



I have dried cattail roots, and then ground them into a flour.  They made 

nice pancakes.  I have read that if you are going to use the roots for a 

flour, the fall is the best time to collect them at they have more starch 

in the roots.  In the fall when the plants are preparing to go dormant, 

they translocate food from the leaves to the roots.  



I would think that anytime in the summer or fall would be a good time to 

harvest the roots for baking.  I think they might be bitter in the 

spring, but don't know that for sure.



Claire

cdeleo@lamar.colostate.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cattail roots

From: gmericks@aol.com (Gmericks)

Date: 18 May 1995 21:57:50 -0400



I don't know about cattail roots but the cattail flowers, the top part,

not the bottom part that turns into the brown fuzzy thing, can be eaten

and it is fantastic.  Collect the top part with a sissors and a basket. 

In Minnesota the plants flower in mid-June, but anywhere south I suspect

it's much earlier.  I just go by the swamps every week or so.



I would suspect you could collect the roots at the same time.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cattail roots

From: vandy.simpson@ambassador.com (Vandy Simpson)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 17:53:00 GMT



 Regarding cattails:



RH>From: rhiannon@indy.net (rhiannon)

RH>My aunt used to fix baked cattail roots with meals sometimes, they are

RH>wonderful. However, I don't remember what time of year you are

RH>supposed to harvest them. I know that it is just in a month or so that

RH>you can, any other time and they are tough and bitter. Does anyone

RH>have any info on this or any recipes using cattail roots?



Although I couldn't find any recipes specifically about cattail ROOTS, I

did come across these.[ I haven't tested them myself, so I have no

guarantees...]



...the young flowerspike we seek, in the late spring before it has

turned brown and sausagelike.At that time of year, the flower is still

encased in its long green leaf(it is rather like a long, very thin cob

of corn).To prepare it for cooking, peel it as you would corn.It will be

of a dark velvety green colour and texture, and in two distinct

divisions.Put the flowers into boiling water for about 10 minutes, when

they should be cooked.Dip into melted butter, season with salt and

pepper.(the inside is a hard core.)...



...not to be confused with the true bulrush (Scripus lacustris).Peel the

young stems carefully and cook the white inner part in boiling water

until tender.Eat like asparagus, dipping into melted, herb-flavoured

butter.

 Peel and cook the young roots as a vegetable or grate them raw into a

salad.[okay, it's a mention of roots, but not much by way of a recipe!]

 The seeds can also be eaten and have a pleasant nutty taste when

roasted.

 In times of shortage, bulrush pollen can be used as a flour substitute.

Wash and peel young bulrush shoots and cut them into short pieces of

equal length.Tie into bundles and cook in boiling salted water until

tender.Drain and cool the stems, chop into a bowl and cover with and

oil and vinegar dressing...



 So I haven't tried any of these, though they sound interesting. I might

also check with any of the historic sites that include native culture:

Jamestown in Virginia springs to mind.

 Good luck with your search.I'll keep my eyes open for whatever

responses you glean.

 Vandy Simpson



---

 * OLX 2.1 TD * vandy.simpson@ambassador.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Quince (was Re: Cranberry)

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 08:04:20 -0700



In article <dww5.54.2FA162ED@psu.edu>, dww5@psu.edu (Dale Woika) wrote:



> In article  (Stuart Yeates) writes:

> 

> 

> 

> >Have you ever heard of the quince (spelling ?) ? It's a old fashioned 

> >english fruit, like a bright yellow, furry pear. It's in the same class,

> >but has lately fallen from favour, or at least in the colonies.

> 

> >It's common to use a carving knife when cutting the fruit - they're so

> >hard, not to mention bitter.

> 

> There are still quite a few quince varieties out there, & we grow 2 of 'em.  

> They strongly resemble apple-like bushes (w/thorns !), right down to the spur 

> shoots & white five-petaled flowers.  The yellow fruits seem to take a light 

> frost to make them more palatable, but this also makes the fruit soften 

> quickly.  The fruit even resembles apples, but they tend to be asymmetrical 

> and the connection to the stem is sessile.  

> 

> We make jelly from them, using the same recipe for apple jelly.

> 

> 

> Dale





              My grandmother made Quince Honey when I was a child, it

resembles marmalade.  S. Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Guarana

From: mharnold2@aol.com (MHARNOLD2)

Date: 13 May 1995 11:26:57 -0400



Does anyone know anything about the herb 'guarana'?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 14 May 1995 07:17:36 GMT



On Sat. May 13, 1995, mharnold2@aol.com told All:

 

 mc> Does anyone know anything about the herb 'guarana'?

 

Guarana is a bean somewhat like the kola, and is used as the stimulant

base for many South American drinks. It contains xanthines, theophylline

and theobromine -- in short, most of the stimulants like caffiene except

caffiene. All of them are slower acting and so milder. It produces much

less of the negative side effects of caffiene. It also contains a

substance similar in nature to ginseng called timbonine, a saponin.

 

Typically used as a tea, but not very pleasant tasting by itself.

 

I toss half a teaspoon into a 16 oz. bottle of ice tea, and go at full

speed for 6 to 8 hours, with no nervousness.

 

 * 2qwk! 1.26b3 * Defeat is worse than death. You have to live with

defeat.

 



--

dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 02:44:11 GMT



In article <3p4aqg$o52@lucy.infi.net>,

Dennis McClain-Furmanski <dynasor@infi.net> wrote:

   > mc> Does anyone know anything about the herb 'guarana'?

   > 

   >Guarana is a bean somewhat like the kola, and is used as the stimulant

   >base for many South American drinks. It contains xanthines, theophylline

   >and theobromine -- in short, most of the stimulants like caffiene except

   >caffiene. All of them are slower acting and so milder. It produces much

   >less of the negative side effects of caffiene. It also contains a

   >substance similar in nature to ginseng called timbonine, a saponin.



Boy, are you mixed up.  The predominant active ingredient in guarana

is caffeine.  A typical extraction of the gourd yields 0.56% caffeine,

theobromine, 0.03% and theophylline 0.02%.  A typical mate prepared

>from  the gourd yields 340mg of caffeine (2-2.5 cups of strong coffee).

Furthermore, theophylline is not "milder" or "slower-acting" than

caffeine; it's rather toxic, though the amount in guarana is not very

significant.  Theobromine is quite mild, but there's also not very much

of it in a mate drink.



-- 

Steve Dyer

dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 15 May 1995 18:59:45 GMT



On Mon. May 15, 1995, dyer@spdcc.com told All:

 

 dc> In article <3p4aqg$o52@lucy.infi.net>,

   > Dennis McClain-Furmanski <dynasor@infi.net> wrote:

   > mc> Does anyone know anything about the herb 'guarana'?

   >

   >Guarana is a bean somewhat like the kola, and is used as the stimulant

   >base for many South American drinks. It contains xanthines,

theophylline

   >and theobromine -- in short, most of the stimulants like caffiene

except

   >caffiene. All of them are slower acting and so milder. It produces

much

   >less of the negative side effects of caffiene. It also contains a

   >substance similar in nature to ginseng called timbonine, a saponin.

 

 dc> Boy, are you mixed up.  The predominant active ingredient in guarana

   > is caffeine.  A typical extraction of the gourd yields 0.56%

   > caffeine, theobromine, 0.03% and theophylline 0.02%.  A typical mate

   > prepared from the gourd yields 340mg of caffeine (2-2.5 cups of

   > strong coffee). Furthermore, theophylline is not "milder" or

   > "slower-acting" than caffeine; it's rather toxic, though the amount

   > in guarana is not very significant.  Theobromine is quite mild, but

   > there's also not very much of it in a mate drink.

 

My reference states mate' is Ilex paraguayensis, is made from the leaves,

and contains caffiene -- up to 2%. It's made from dried (smoked) leaves,

and is pretty much the 'national' drink of Argentina. It doesn't specify

the content with regards to the other stimulant qualities.

 

Guarana is listed as having tetra-methyl-xanthine, hypoxanthine,

guaranine, theophylline, theobromine and timbonine. It is from Paullinia

cupana, particularly the variety sorbilis. It specifically states this

does not contain caffiene, and it and mate' are clearly different. Its

common use is as the basis of soft drinks, as opposed to mate' which is

used as a tea.

 

 * 2qwk! 1.26b3 * Life is a sandwich, and it's always lunchtime



--

dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 02:35:43 GMT



In article <3p88b1$gb4@lucy.infi.net>,

Dennis McClain-Furmanski <dynasor@infi.net> wrote:

   >My reference states mate' is Ilex paraguayensis, is made from the leaves,

   >and contains caffiene -- up to 2%. It's made from dried (smoked) leaves,

   >and is pretty much the 'national' drink of Argentina. It doesn't specify

   >the content with regards to the other stimulant qualities.

 

I don't know what I was thinking when I went off on that riff.



   >Guarana is listed as having tetra-methyl-xanthine, hypoxanthine,

   >guaranine, theophylline, theobromine and timbonine. It is from Paullinia

   >cupana, particularly the variety sorbilis. It specifically states this

   >does not contain caffiene, and it and mate' are clearly different. Its

   >common use is as the basis of soft drinks, as opposed to mate' which is

   >used as a tea.



Guaranine is just another name for caffeine.  Theine is another.

They're both just caffeine.  "Tetramethylxanthine" is a very weird

substance, since there are only 3 nitrogens available to be methylated

in common xanthine nomenclature.  It might be 8-methylcaffeine

(the 4th methyl attached to a carbon), but I've never heard of this

substance in any reference except in putative "caffeine free" xanthine

beverages.



-- 

Steve Dyer

dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 16 May 1995 11:31:07 GMT



Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) wrote:

: I don't know what I was thinking when I went off on that riff.



Probably Yerba Mate'. It fits the profile you listed. It's more popular than

guarana. Mentioning the common use in popular drinks was probably the link.



:    >Guarana is listed as having tetra-methyl-xanthine, hypoxanthine,

:    >guaranine, theophylline, theobromine and timbonine. It is from Paullinia

:    >cupana, particularly the variety sorbilis. It specifically states this

:    >does not contain caffiene, and it and mate' are clearly different. Its

:    >common use is as the basis of soft drinks, as opposed to mate' which is

:    >used as a tea.



: Guaranine is just another name for caffeine.  Theine is another.

: They're both just caffeine.  "Tetramethylxanthine" is a very weird



Then I'll have to take these folks to task. Their claim is that it contains

no caffiene. They usually don't make such erroneous claims either. I'll dig

into it and post their response.



--

dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: amaclir@unibase.unibase.com (Aine Maclir)

Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 03:17:40 GMT



dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) wrote:



>Furthermore, theophylline is not "milder" or "slower-acting" than

>caffeine; it's rather toxic, though the amount in guarana is not very

>significant.  



That may very well be, but according to my sources, theophylline is a

commonly available bronchodilator (xanthine) used to treat asthma.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)

Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 14:56:08 GMT



In article <3ph65n$ar6@udevdiv.Unibase.COM>,

Aine Maclir <amaclir@unibase.unibase.com> wrote:

   >>Furthermore, theophylline is not "milder" or "slower-acting" than

   >>caffeine; it's rather toxic, though the amount in guarana is not very

   >>significant.  

   >

   >That may very well be, but according to my sources, theophylline is a

   >commonly available bronchodilator (xanthine) used to treat asthma.



Oh, absolutely.  You'll find it both in OTC and prescription preparations.

The drug has a rather narrow therapeutic window when it's used in asthma,

the "window" being the dose which helps, but doesn't cause unpleasant

side effects.



-- 

Steve Dyer

dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 19 May 95 15:13:12 PST



In message ID <3pa2dr$2g8@lucy.infi.net> on 5/16/95, Dennis McClain-Furmanski

<dynasor@infi.net> wrote:



: Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) wrote:

: : I don't know what I was thinking when I went off on that riff.

: 

: Probably Yerba Mate'. It fits the profile you listed. It's more

: popular than guarana. Mentioning the common use in popular drinks

: was probably the link.



The link was Steve's jumping back on a thread on mate that took place before

'the doctor was in.' He gets worked up if you suggest that related or even

closely related chemicals have different effects.



: :    >Guarana is listed as having tetra-methyl-xanthine, hypoxanthine,

: :    >guaranine, theophylline, theobromine and timbonine. It is from

: Paullinia :    >cupana, particularly the variety sorbilis. It

: specifically states this :    >does not contain caffiene, and it and

: mate' are clearly different. Its :    >common use is as the basis of

: soft drinks, as opposed to mate' which is :    >used as a tea.

: 

: : Guaranine is just another name for caffeine.  Theine is another.

: : They're both just caffeine.  "Tetramethylxanthine" is a very weird

: 

: Then I'll have to take these folks to task. Their claim is that it

: contains no caffiene. They usually don't make such erroneous claims

: either. I'll dig into it and post their response.

: 

: --

: dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.



The scams of entrepreneurs are legion. Sure, its a stimulant. There is some

controversy (Steve, as an ardent anti-alternativist would claim there is none)

about the chemical differences of mate and guaranine and caffeine, but not

enough to make these substances particularly less imbalancing to health.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 20 May 1995 02:29:33 GMT



On Fri. May 19, 1995, p_iannone@pop.com told All:

 

 pc> The link was Steve's jumping back on a thread on mate that took place

   > before 'the doctor was in.' He gets worked up if you suggest that

   > related or even closely related chemicals have different effects.

 

A common enough occurance, losing track of related but separate threads.

 

 pc> The scams of entrepreneurs are legion. Sure, its a stimulant. There

   > is some controversy (Steve, as an ardent anti-alternativist would

   > claim there is none) about the chemical differences of mate and

   > guaranine and caffeine, but not enough to make these substances

   > particularly less imbalancing to health.

 

My source is ...Of The Jungle, and I'd be hesitant to consider it a scam.

They're pretty reputable. That's not to say they may not have bad sources

themselves, or as you say, just happen to come down on a different side of

a controversy.

 

 * 2qwk! 1.26b3 * Philosophy: perfect answers to sylized problems.



--

dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)

Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 17:16:50 GMT



In article <3pjk6d$6am@lucy.infi.net>,

Dennis McClain-Furmanski <dynasor@infi.net> wrote:

> pc> The scams of entrepreneurs are legion. Sure, its a stimulant. There

>   > is some controversy (Steve, as an ardent anti-alternativist would

>   > claim there is none) about the chemical differences of mate and

>   > guaranine and caffeine, but not enough to make these substances

>   > particularly less imbalancing to health.

> 

>My source is ...Of The Jungle, and I'd be hesitant to consider it a scam.

>They're pretty reputable. That's not to say they may not have bad sources

>themselves, or as you say, just happen to come down on a different side of

>a controversy.



Um, there's no controversy about what guarana contains (and especially

what guaranine is.)  Selling guarana as a stimulant isn't in itself

misleading, but claiming that it's caffeine-free is.  I'd reserve the

word "scam" for GNC-type emporiums which sell concoctions which even

Paul and I would agree aren't very good for you.



-- 

Steve Dyer

dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 21 May 1995 18:42:19 -0700



Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) wrote:

: Um, there's no controversy about what guarana contains (and especially

: what guaranine is.)  Selling guarana as a stimulant isn't in itself

: misleading, but claiming that it's caffeine-free is.  I'd reserve the

: word "scam" for GNC-type emporiums which sell concoctions which even

: Paul and I would agree aren't very good for you.



My source, _Earl Mindell's Herb Bible_, lists Guarana seeds as containing

up to 5% caffeine.  Guarana is a main ingredient in soft drinks in Brazil.



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: 22 May 1995 10:24:32 +0100



In article <3poq5r$1gh@crl11.crl.com> jakiel@crl.com "Jennifer B. Jakiel" writes:

> 

> Steve Dyer (dyer@spdcc.com) wrote:

> : Um, there's no controversy about what guarana contains (and especially

> : what guaranine is.)  Selling guarana as a stimulant isn't in itself

> : misleading, but claiming that it's caffeine-free is.  I'd reserve the

> : word "scam" for GNC-type emporiums which sell concoctions which even

> : Paul and I would agree aren't very good for you.

> 

> My source, _Earl Mindell's Herb Bible_, lists Guarana seeds as containing

> up to 5% caffeine.  Guarana is a main ingredient in soft drinks in Brazil.

> 

> -j



Guarana contains up to 7% Caffiene - Mate' 0.2 - 2% 

Incidentally, Coffee beans contain 0.06 - 0.32% caffiene when fresh - less

when roasted.  No wonder Guarana's a stimulant!



Source: Potter's Cyclopedia of Botanical Drugs and Preparations

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 24 May 95 13:47:54 PST



In message ID <3pjk6d$6am@lucy.infi.net> on 5/19/95, Dennis McClain-Furmanski

<dynasor@infi.net> wrote:



: On Fri. May 19, 1995, p_iannone@pop.com told All:

:  

:  pc> The link was Steve's jumping back on a thread on mate that took place

:    > before 'the doctor was in.' He gets worked up if you suggest that

:    > related or even closely related chemicals have different effects.

:  

: A common enough occurance, losing track of related but separate threads.

:  

:  pc> The scams of entrepreneurs are legion. Sure, its a stimulant. There

:    > is some controversy (Steve, as an ardent anti-alternativist would

:    > claim there is none) about the chemical differences of mate and

:    > guaranine and caffeine, but not enough to make these substances

:    > particularly less imbalancing to health.

:  

: My source is ...Of The Jungle, and I'd be hesitant to consider it a

: scam. They're pretty reputable. That's not to say they may not have

: bad sources themselves, or as you say, just happen to come down on a



: different side of a controversy.



If they denied the presence of caffeine in these products, then that does not

bode well for their disclosure practices. Of that I have no personal knowledge.

Plenty of entrepreneur MLM's don't tell people this information--Herbalife is

famous for hiding this fact in Kali tea.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Guarana

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Wed, 24 May 95 13:48:13 PST



In message ID <D8w002.18n@spdcc.com> on 5/20/95, Steve Dyer <dyer@spdcc.com>

wrote:



: Um, there's no controversy about what guarana contains (and especially

: what guaranine is.)  Selling guarana as a stimulant isn't in itself

: misleading, but claiming that it's caffeine-free is.  I'd reserve

: the word "scam" for GNC-type emporiums which sell concoctions which

: even Paul and I would agree aren't very good for you.

: 

: -- 

: Steve Dyer



Well, there is controversy on that subject, but I don't want part of it. As for

GNC, I consider every one of their ads an unredeeming setback to alternative

healing in the U.S. 



DON'T SUPPORT THEM!



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: soap molds, mixer & newsletter

From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP)

Date: 13 May 1995 14:04:08 -0400



Here's the scoop on some new soap molds available. Seems the designs are

copied from Pourette's (exact size, shape, etc). The difference is that

this company sells only one type mold and the mold contains six designs:

hexagon, oval, round, rectangular, heart and square. The plastic is thick,

white and seems very substancial. The man selling these molds says he's

used them in the freezer and he has used them for about 4 months with no

damage. He has lower prices than the following, but said if anyone wanted

to see the molds to send $7 for 2. This includes shipping, etc. He doesn't

accept credit cards at this time, so the telephone number is just if you

have a question.

  Soapmaking Kits

  P O Bx 6751

  Lee's Summit MO 64064

  Telephone 816-525-0664



Also received samples of the world's first soap newsletter, "Soapmaking

Today". I think the editor, Robert Jones, did a pretty good job. He

announced "The First Great Soap Swap." Seems readers send 16 pieces of

soap (at least 1 ounce each) to him along with the recipe and $3. He

coordinates the packages and sends each person 16 different types of soap

with recipes. Sounds like a NRR huh? He said he'd publish the best recipes

in future newsletters. 



The newsletter also described and pictured a soap mixer called "The White

Tornado" It holds 4 gallons of soap, stirs it and costs $449.95! (which

includes shipping and handling, thank goodness). He says "The Soap

Blender" makes soap with better texture than hand-stirred soap.



The newsletter also contains tips and ideas for home-based businesses. For

a sample, send $5 and request a sample copy of "Soapmaking Today" from:

   Robert Jones

  110 SE Greystone

  Lee's Summit MO 64063



This is the same man who said he's working on a "soap slicer" and would

let us know when it's ready.



Oh, one more interesting tidbit from the newsletter. He says "You do not

have to label your soap products with ingredients" thanks to lobbiests

with the CTFA (Cosmetics, Toiletry and Fragrance Association). He said you

"do" have to list ingredients if you claim your product to be a "dandruff

shampoo" or a "skin softener" etc. 



I'm just passing info along and don't know if this guy "knows his stuff"

or not.

Elaine





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hair loss

From: boklage@unix.infoserve.net

Date: 13 May 1995 18:27:08 GMT



My hair has been thinning for the past 8 years. In the last 2 months it seems be

comming out by the hand full. Is there anything out there which might slow things

down a bit??





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hair loss

From: pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca (Pat Gootjes)

Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 21:54:46 LOCAL



In article <3p2tlt$ffs@news.infoserve.net> boklage@unix.infoserve.net writes:



>My hair has been thinning for the past 8 years. In the last 2 months it seems be

>comming out by the hand full. Is there anything out there which might slow

>things

>down a bit??



Stay away from ginseng or smilax. These tend to encourage testosterone release 

(among many other hormones), which is directly linked to hair loss.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hair loss

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Sun, 14 May 95 08:41:00 EST



>My hair has been thinning for the past 8 years. In the last 2 months it seem

>e

>comming out by the hand full. Is there anything out there which might slow t

>gs

>down a bit??



The following is a synergistic blend to help prevent falling hair clipped

from "The Complete Book of Essential Oils & Aromatherapy" by Valerie Ann

Worwood.



Blemd the following essential oils together:



3 drops rosemary

4 drops geranium

5 drops lavender

4 drops cypress

2 drops cinnamon

2 drops vinegar



Each night blend 1-2 drops of the oil mixture with 1/4 tsp. of water.  Rub

this into the scalp concentrating on the balding areas.



Avoid washing the hair too much, especially if you have long hair.  When you

do shampoo use one that's hypo-allergenic without harsh detergents.



Every other day, for the first 2 weeks of applying this essential blend,

apply the blend as usual but wrap the head in a hot towel.  After a few

minutes, remove the towel and rub ice over your scalp.  When your scalp is

tingling from the cold, wrap your head in another warm towel.  The

recommendation is that you repeat this hot/cold treatment at least 5 times.

If nothing else you should find this stimulating!  Apply the essential blend

once more and leave on overnight.



After 2 weeks, apply 2 tsps. jojoba oil and massage into the scalp.  Leave

this on as long as possible....one hour is best.



When you have completed this regimen of treatment, use one or a combination

of the following oils to stimulate growth at nighttime.  If you use a hair

gel you can substitute one of these instead:



Rosemary, Sage, Neroli, Hyssop, Lavender, Thyme, Cypress, Ginger, Basil,

Sandalwood, Geranium.



Good Luck!

========================================================================

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Node 1: (914) 246-1642              Node 2: (914) 247-0631

========================================================================





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hair loss

From: jbrown@cadvision.com (Jackie Brown)

Date: 17 May 1995 14:20:16 GMT



In article <ALFOHE.14DC@kotl.uu.ids.net>,

karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net wrote:



> >My hair has been thinning for the past 8 years. In the last 2 months it seem

> >e

> >comming out by the hand full. Is there anything out there which might slow t

> >gs

> >down a bit??

> 

>Have you been tested for anemia?  A lot of women have problems with

thinning hair if their iron levels are too low.  You might want to get a

simple test to find out if you need iron supplements or not.



Also, horsetail silica is supposed to be effective in preventing further

hair loss, and promoting new growth.  Check at the health food store for

more info, if you are interested.  It's easy to take, in capsule form.



Good luck!



Jackie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hair loss

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 17:23:36 PST



In message ID <pgootjes.31.0074B87C@julian.uwo.ca> on 5/13/95, Pat Gootjes

<pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca> wrote:



: In article <3p2tlt$ffs@news.infoserve.net>

: boklage@unix.infoserve.net writes:

: 

: >My hair has been thinning for the past 8 years. In the last 2

: >months it seems  be comming out by the hand full. Is there anything

: >out there which might slow things

: >down a bit??

: 

: Stay away from ginseng or smilax. These tend to encourage

: testosterone release (among many other hormones), which is directly linked to

hair loss.



Oh? Now ginseng has a hormonal effect? Even testosterone release? Why focus on

ginseng, when stress has a hormonal effect, and so does coffee, or any other

Heating influence. American ginseng has less of this effect, I'll wager, since

it is Cool. It would make a whole lot more sense to say 'Go to an acupuncturist

for the appropriate herbals' than to single out two herbals out of a world of

Warming and Hot influences as harmful.



Trying to do herbalism by focusing on single herbals and assumed chemical

effects is WAY too primitive to be of much use.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Seeking advice

From: tlknight@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu (Teresa L. Knight)

Date: 14 May 1995 00:34:07 GMT



I seem to have a problem that might just be obvious to others; but not to 

me.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.  Please don't flame me.  I 

am just starting to take more herbs. 

	When I read books on herbs; the book tells me what is good for 

the problems and some books give me the dosage to take.  That is nice to 

know.  The information I get from books and people is fine; but it does 

not tell me how long to take the herbs.

	For instance; I was told and read to take Feverfew for migranes; 

and I was told the dosage.  However, I was not told how long I should 

take it and should I take it everyday to avoid getting migranes.  This is 

only one example of the lack of knowledge I have.  Guess I need to know 

more on the period of time to take certain herbs.

	I realize that with migranes I probably take it til the symptoms go 

away.  That is not the case with other herbs.  Are there herbs you take 

to daily to avoid problems?  I am a newbie to herbs.  Any help that one 

could give me would be appreciated.





-- 

Teresa L. Knight



The only thing for certain is change.......





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: spices for mead

From: eng4kjw@hibbs.vcu.edu (Kristy J. Wiland)

Date: 13 May 1995 22:06:31 -0400



 hi all. my fiance and i are getting married and want to serve mead,

instead of champange, for our wedding. we will make it ourselves. we

want to put herbs/spiace in the mead which will taste good and are

magically appropiate for marital blessings. Any suggestions? we are

thinking about using cloves, cimmamon, nutmeg, ginger and maybe

rosemary. but rosemary might not taste good with the other

ingredients. all suggestions would be greatly appreciated, and can be

e-mailed to eng4kjw@hibbs.vcu.edu or responed to here. thanks for the

help





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbalism Web Page?

From: bodacia@aol.com (Bodacia)

Date: 13 May 1995 22:24:06 -0400



Hi all-



Does anyone out there know if there is a WWW site devoted to the subject

of herbalism or alternative medicine?



Feel free to e-mail me directly.  Post to newsgroup okay, too.  Thanks.



-Bonnie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbalism Web Page?

From: Hek@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: 14 May 1995 07:16:04 GMT



In article <3p3pk6$shu@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, bodacia@aol.com (Bodacia) 

says:

>

>Hi all-

>

>Does anyone out there know if there is a WWW site devoted to the subject

>of herbalism or alternative medicine?



Have a look at these:





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

7.2 Interesting WWW pages



-----

Herbal Hall, Rob Bidleman:

http://www.crl.com/~robbee/herbal.html

Nice surfing.



You can also get there by ftp:

ftp ftp.crl.com /users/ro/robbee/HERB.



-----

Natural Medicine, Complementary Health Care and Alternative Therapies,

hosted by AMR'TA:

http://www.teleport.com:80/~amrta

Nice surfing.



-----

Peter J. Bower's www page on Complementary Practices:

http://galen.med.virginia.edu/~pjb3s/Complementary_Practices.html

Nice surfing.



----- ADDITION

Algy Krebbs' www page on herbs and gardening:

http://frank.mtsu.edu/~sward/herb.html

Nice surfing.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs



--

Henriette Kress    HeK@hetta.pp.fi

        Helsinki, Finland.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbalism Web Page?

From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London)

Date: 15 May 1995 03:44:35 GMT



In article <3p4ank$869@idefix.eunet.fi>,

Henriette Kress <Hek@hetta.pp.fi> wrote:



>In article <3p3pk6$shu@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, bodacia@aol.com (Bodacia) 

>>Does anyone out there know if there is a WWW site devoted to the subject

>>of herbalism or alternative medicine?



>7.2 Interesting WWW pages

>-----

>Herbal Hall, Rob Bidleman:

>http://www.crl.com/~robbee/herbal.html

>Nice surfing.

>You can also get there by ftp:

>ftp ftp.crl.com /users/ro/robbee/HERB.



>Natural Medicine, Complementary Health Care and Alternative Therapies,

>hosted by AMR'TA:

>http://www.teleport.com:80/~amrta

>Nice surfing.



>Peter J. Bower's www page on Complementary Practices:

>http://galen.med.virginia.edu/~pjb3s/Complementary_Practices.html

>Nice surfing.



>----- ADDITION

>Algy Krebbs' www page on herbs and gardening:

>http://frank.mtsu.edu/~sward/herb.html

>Nice surfing.



>--

>Henriette Kress    HeK@hetta.pp.fi

>        Helsinki, Finland.



Also, Aesclepian Chronicles, complimentary medicine www-page and e-journal:





 Date: Fri, 5 May 95 13:03:46 EDT

 From: James Price <jmprice@cybernetics.net>

 To: info@tfnet.ils.unc.edu

 Subject: New Triangle E-Journal

 

 Aesclepian Chronicles 

 

 URL = http://www.forthrt.com/~chronicl/homepage.html

 

 A Monthly Journal that takes a fresh look at complementary medicine and its

 relationship to conventional medicine.  Articles and ongoing columns discuss and

 evaluate what's new in the mind-body approach.  

 

 Editor:  James M. Price

 E-Mail jmprice@cybernetics.net

 Contributions or questions:  jmprice@cybernetics.net

 Phone 1-919-563-8867

 FAX: 1-919-563-9240 (Call phone above first)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbalism Web Page?

From: pdunn@skypoint.com (Phil)

Date: 15 May 1995 16:33:48 GMT



In article <3p3pk6$shu@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, bodacia@aol.com (Bodacia) says:

>

>Hi all-

>

>Does anyone out there know if there is a WWW site devoted to the subject

>of herbalism or alternative medicine?

>

>Feel free to e-mail me directly.  Post to newsgroup okay, too.  Thanks.

>

>-Bonnie

>



There is description of cd rom products at http://www.hoptechno.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: Lyme disease

From: sdelsignor@aol.com (SDelsignor)

Date: 13 May 1995 23:42:57 -0400



My sister was just diagnosed with Lyme disease about 3 weeks after the

tick in question was removed. We were told that it was discovered early

enough to head off any problems and now she's on heavy antibiotics. She

would prefer to deal this through alternative medicine. Has anyone out

there had experience with Lyme disease improvement through alternative

medicine? Any input would be very much appreciated.



Sheila





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lyme disease

From: tkeenan@uoguelph.ca (Timothy J Keenan)

Date: 15 May 1995 14:46:55 GMT



SDelsignor (sdelsignor@aol.com) wrote:

: My sister was just diagnosed with Lyme disease about 3 weeks after the

: tick in question was removed. We were told that it was discovered early

: enough to head off any problems and now she's on heavy antibiotics. She

: would prefer to deal this through alternative medicine. Has anyone out

: there had experience with Lyme disease improvement through alternative

: medicine? Any input would be very much appreciated.



: Sheila



Just my $0.02, of course, and it's your sister's own business, but the 

possible long term effects of Lyme disease make it a pretty scary 

proposal to treat on the basis of hearsay from a usenet newsgroup.  The 

disease is related to and very similar in long-term prognosis to 

syphilis.  It can cause massive organ, joint, and neurological damage.  

If you want to know ways to enhance the efficiency of the body's immune 

system, that's great, but I personally would stick with the 

antibiotics--the disease is no joke.  I know of at least a couple of 

botanists whose lives have been very seriously affected by Lyme disease.



--

Tim Keenan



Cliff Ecology Research Group

Botany Department

University of Guelph

Guelph, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lyme disease

From: ssotona@mindspring.com (Shirley Sotona)

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 11:34:55 -0400



In article <3p7pgv$570@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> tkeenan@uoguelph.ca (Timothy J Keenan) writes:

>From: tkeenan@uoguelph.ca (Timothy J Keenan)

>Subject: Re: Lyme disease

>Date: 15 May 1995 14:46:55 GMT



>SDelsignor (sdelsignor@aol.com) wrote:

>: My sister was just diagnosed with Lyme disease about 3 weeks after the

>: tick in question was removed.

<snip>

 She would prefer to deal this through alternative medicine. Has anyone out

>: there had experience with Lyme disease improvement through alternative

>: medicine? Any input would be very much appreciated.



>: Sheila



>Just my $0.02, of course, and it's your sister's own business, but the 

>possible long term effects of Lyme disease make it a pretty scary 

>proposal to treat on the basis of hearsay from a usenet newsgroup.

<snip> 

>... that's great, but I personally would stick with the 

>antibiotics--the disease is no joke.  I know of at least a couple of 

>botanists whose lives have been very seriously affected by Lyme disease.



>--

>Tim Keenan



>Cliff Ecology Research Group

>Botany Department

>University of Guelph

>Guelph, Ontario



Sheila,

I agree completely with Tim here.  Your sister can't afford to take any 

chances with this disease.  My husband was diagnosed with Lyme's Disease about

6 years ago.  Unfortunately, he was diagnosed about 6 months after he 

contracted it.  It took him about a year to really recover, during which time 

he was genuinely sick and exhausted almost all the time.  He lost about 30 

lbs. (and he only weighed 150 to begin with).  He was also forced to quit his 

job for a less demanding one.  I have two other friends who have contracted 

Lyme's (we do alot of hiking) and, though they caught it early, it was still 

a long recovery.  I believe that I've read that the Lyme's disease virus, if 

not treated quickly enough, may enter the neurons of the nervous system where 

it becomes protected from the body's immune system.  This may only be a 

theory---I'm sorry I couldn't I couldn't find my source for it.  Anybody out 

there know more about it?   I wish your sister the best.



Shirley Sotona 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lyme disease

From: tkeenan@uoguelph.ca (Timothy J Keenan)

Date: 15 May 1995 19:45:38 GMT



Shirley Sotona (ssotona@mindspring.com) wrote:

[prunage]

: a long recovery.  I believe that I've read that the Lyme's disease virus, if 

: not treated quickly enough, may enter the neurons of the nervous system where 

: it becomes protected from the body's immune system.  This may only be a 

: theory---I'm sorry I couldn't I couldn't find my source for it.  Anybody out 

: there know more about it?   I wish your sister the best.



Actually, it is a spirochete (a bacterium like Syphilis)



--

Tim Keenan



Cliff Ecology Research Group

Botany Department

University of Guelph

Guelph, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: tkeenan@uoguelph.ca

Subject: Re: Lyme disease

From: Wendy Bardsley <zignorp@hooked.net>

Date: 16 May 1995 18:27:30 GMT



I had Lyme disease, and unfortunately wasn't diagnosed as early as your   

sister (the tick wasn't in my body)  I was an herbalist at the time, and   

used a combination of treatments.  I would urge your sister to take the   

oral antibiotics, which will almost always work in stage 1 of the   

disease.  I got better after this stage, and forgot about it.  4 months   

later, I got facial paralysis for about a month, then that went away.   

(stage 2)  3 months later, I was waking up in the morning with different   

joints swollen, then returning to normal.  After about a month of this(I   

was freaking out) My knees swelled up, filled with fluid, and stayed that   

way.  I saw a great rhumitoligist(sp.), and he gave me a bunch of   

articles from the new england medical journal about the disease.    

Basically, if your sister takes the oral antibiotics now, she will   

probably get better (something like 95% of subjects treated in stage 1   

did.  When you get to the point where I was at, this doesn't work   

anymore.  The next step for me was penicillin shots, 3x, so much that   

they made me pass out, and this didn't work.  I was also getting my knees   

drained 2x a week, and they were filling right up again.  I had to go   

into the hospital for i.v.penicillin, 3 weeks, and this finally did the   

trick (a month later)  I couldn't walk for almost a year, without a cane,   

and not more than 1 block.  During this time I was using heavy herbal   

blood purifiers, and all kinds of alternative stuff recommended by   

practitioners I really respect.  I consider myself lucky- however,   

because the i.v.penicillin only works 60% of the time (shots only work a   

third of the time at this stage) and you can get meningitis,   

encephalitis, dementia, REALLY HORRIBLE STUFF from that little   

spirochete.  I am never heavy with any kind of treatment, and I hate   

antibiotics, but I would strongly urge her to do it.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs to help tinnitus or ringing ears?

From: tdoyle1989@aol.com (TDoyle1989)

Date: 13 May 1995 23:48:19 -0400



I read in a book I have now loaned out that a certain herb could benefit

the user with reduction of ringing ears. I recall that it was drank as a

tea.  Any ideas as to what herb that might be?





"All vague notions must fall before the pupil may call himself a

master."-Bruce Lee

-Tdoyle aka the "mitman"

                                                        





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to help tinnitus or ringing ears?

From: mikz@primenet.com (Michael Zalar)

Date: 14 May 1995 22:55:05 GMT



TDoyle1989 (tdoyle1989@aol.com) wrote:

: I read in a book I have now loaned out that a certain herb could benefit

: the user with reduction of ringing ears. I recall that it was drank as a

: tea.  Any ideas as to what herb that might be?





   Hmm... A 17th century text suggests an infusion of oyl of wormwood 

with water and vinegar to relieve ther ringing in the ears that comes 

>from  fevers.  However, wormwood can be a rather nasty plant to ingest so 

great caution should be used.

   Two different 17th centur sources report sweet almond oil to be good 

for pains in the ears, administered directly - dont know if it has any 

affect on ringing though

Historically speaking,--

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to help tinnitus or ringing ears?

From: Presser@netaxs.com (Daniel Dorff)

Date: 15 May 1995 02:25:58 GMT



In article <3p3ui3$sn@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, tdoyle1989@aol.com (TDoyle1989) says:

>

>I read in a book I have now loaned out that a certain herb could benefit

>the user with reduction of ringing ears. 



The most common and mostly likely to help is Gingko Biloba Extract

which generally comes in 60mg capsules.  Avoiding caffeine helps

for some, but there are hundreds of causes of tinnitus, so each person

will have different successes based on the source not the symptom.

You might want to check out alt.support.tinnitus which has lots of 

info exchange and a long FAQ.



Daniel Dorff





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to help tinnitus or ringing ears?

From: ALEV56A@prodigy.com (Jeffrey King)

Date: 15 May 1995 05:28:23 GMT



tdoyle1989@aol.com (TDoyle1989) wrote:

>

>I read in a book I have now loaned out that a certain herb could 

benefit

>the user with reduction of ringing ears. I recall that it was drank as 

a

>tea.  Any ideas as to what herb that might be?

>

>

>

>"All vague notions must fall before the pupil may call himself a

>master."-Bruce Lee

>-Tdoyle aka the "mitman"

>



     Ginkgo biloba seems to help in a significant number (40% or so) of 

cases, probably because of its effect on circulation in small vessels.  

This is a difficult problem, and many cases don't respond to anything.  

Wormwood might not be so bad (can 50,000,000 Absinthe drinkers be wrong?),

 but I don't know if it would be helpful for this condition, and toxicity 

is a problem in long-term use.



                                                        

-Insert witty footer here...



  JEFFREY KING  ALEV56A@prodigy.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dry Skin

From: douglas.wiggins@nwcs.org (Douglas Wiggins)

Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 06:10:00 GMT



TY:few people (but there are some) that had problems with good flax oil,

TY:which has a nutty taste.  About 3 weeks ago, I bought some -cut-

TY:I went and tasted the oil directly from the bottle. Tasted awful.

TY:The store I purchased the oil from had not kept the oil in the fridge.



Just a note of caution: if tempted to throw out flax seed oil (linseed

oil), be careful that it does not end up on cloth or paper in a

receptacle - this is the stuff that fire departments warn about

when they say to avoid oily rags in the garage, as a source of

spontaneous combustion (they are not referring to motor oil);

flax-seed (linseed) oil was once used as a base for oil paints, and

alone as a varnish, because it is a "drying" oil, which means that

it reacts with the atmosphere to polymerize, forming a plastic-like

material - the process releases heat, and if it is contained so

that the heat cannot escape as fast as it is generated, it can

build up to burning temperatures.



Linseed oil is not the only essential oil which can do this - just

about any essential oil which decomposes on contact with the air is

a candidate. For instance, a lady working for The Essential Oil

Company was dispensing benzaldehyde (the smell of cherries

associated with oil of bitter almond) wiped up a spill with paper

towels and threw the the waste into the trash; when she noticed the

smell getting stronger and stronger, she started poking around to

find the source and nearly burned herself - if she had been working

with something that had less of an odor, she might not have

discovered it before going home for the day.



Just one more tip concerning storage: if possible, keep bottles

upright to provide less surface area, and use as small of a bottle

as possible to contain the reactive material. Wheaton, a bottle

manufacturer in New Jersey, makes something called an "amber

dropping bottle" which is made of pharmaceutical brown glass with a

ground-glass stopper, and the stopper has two grooves molded

halfway down, while the neck has matching grooves molded halfway up

- when the grooves match up, the contents can be dispensed through

one set of grooves while just enough air to displace the fluid is

allowed to enter through the other. Unfortunately, the grooves may

be too narrow to allow viscous fluids such as linseed oil to pass

easily, and they may allow very fluid materials to flow more

rapidly than desired, but the concept is good.



  -Douglas Wiggins zoron@nwcs.org, Portland, Oregon

---

 * OLX 2.2 TD * Lampwork for Aromatherapy & Perfume Retail Counters





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Migraine help extract from Book "The Healing Garden"

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 14 May 1995 12:30:55 GMT



The following is an extract from  "The Healing Garden"

 by Michael Bailes copyright Kangaroo Press 1994

See also references in book to allergies.

Headache Migraine

i.Feverfew

 Chewing three leaves a day of this pretty annual daisy is a preventative in 9 out of 10 cases of migraine. Some people get mouth ulcers from chewing the fresh herb and so need to take it in drops. Feverfew is available, preserved in alcohol, from health food shops or you can preserve your own fresh leaves in Vodka. Simply half fill a .i.Vodka ;bottle with fresh leaves and then fill the bottle with Vodka and let the leaves infuse in the alcohol. As the strength of such home -made tinctures can vary, start 

with a few drops in water three times a day and increase (or reduce) dosage as you think necessary. Any spiritous alcohol can be used. Arthritis sufferers might like to use gin.

i.Lemon Balm

Lemon Balm Tea is helpful for many. A cup of fresh Lemon Balm tea taken daily is said to cure 50% of people who chronically suffer from migraine headaches. It is said to be a preventative like Feverfew. The dried herb is not effective. Most Lemon herbs do not retain their flavour when dried. It seems they do not retain their medicinal properties either, although in theory a fresh plant tincture such as the one suggested above for Feverfew should work. Use a sprig or two to a cup of hot water. It is quite a

 pleasant herbal tea.

Migraine is often a symptom of food allergy, compounded by a hectic and stressful lifestyle. (See also Immune System as herbs that help the immune system will also help allergies) Some foods such as .i.chocolate;, .i.oranges ;and .i.strawberries ;can give some people migraine even up to 24 hours after they have been eaten. Check out your allergies with your doctor.

Fish oils are said to help migraine headaches.

Other Causes of Headaches

Some so called migraine headaches have turned out to be Sinus headaches (see Sinus)



What's the best way of getting rid of headaches?

Stick your head through an un-opened window. 

The pane goes.

Bill the Steam Shovel, Mr Squiggle ABC Childrens Television





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Increase metabolism?

From: ao724@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kimberly Lee Conroy)

Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 18:03:54 GMT





Are there any herbs that will help increase a persons metabolism?

--

Kimberly Lee Conroy   ao724@FreeNet.Carleton.CA or kconroy@Chat.Carleton.CA 

                           

               "Whenever I have to decide between two evils, I always

       choose the one I haven't tried before."  May West





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Increase metabolism?

From: Bob Ginsberg <72027.3405@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 17 May 1995 10:36:55 GMT



The two most often mentioned are Ma Huang (which contains the 

stimulant ephedra) and caffeine (kola nut, guarana, or coffee).  

Also, cayenne pepper has a short term effect (that's why you 

sweat when you eat it).  There are many, many commercial 

preparations with these in combination. 



If you really want to try such a metabolism boosting, I would 

recommend Metabolift by Twinlab, you should be able to get it at 

GNC.  I recommend it because it is all herbal.  Be careful when 

you start taking it, these herbs in combination have adverse 

reactions on many people, but others take them with good effect. 

 Don't take this stuff at night, or even late afternoon, or you 

may not sleep at all.



Did you know that vigorous exercise done for more than 30 minutes 

will raise your metabolism for several hours, up to 24 for a 

long, hard workout?



-- 

Bob 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: banisteriopsis

From: s97macl@aol.com (S97macl)

Date: 14 May 1995 15:38:03 -0400



does anyine here know the best way to make cuttings of a banisteriopsis? 

I've tried several methods and have been unsuccesful.  Any help would be

appreciated!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cayenne Pepper

From: michael.blackmon@woodybbs.com (Michael Blackmon)

Date: Sun, 14 May 95 15:34:00 -0500



Hi,

   I was just wondering if the Cayenne that is frequently mentioned on this

group is the same Cayenne Pepper that I grow in my garden.

                                                            Thanks,

                                                            Mike

---

 * SPEED 1.30 [NR] * 

  wcECHO 4.1  Piney Woods On-line!  Palestine, TX  (903) 723-1727





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cayenne Pepper

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 23 May 1995 06:30:41 GMT



michael.blackmon@woodybbs.com (Michael Blackmon) wrote:

>

> Hi,

>    I was just wondering if the Cayenne that is frequently mentioned on this

> group is the same Cayenne Pepper that I grow in my garden.

>                                                             Thanks,

>                                                             Mike

> ---

>  * SPEED 1.30 [NR] * 

>   wcECHO 4.1  Piney Woods On-line!  Palestine, TX  (903) 723-1727

Probably it is a type of chilli.

Michael Bailes





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: D'Addamo Diet

From: brucepeter@aol.com (BrucePeter)

Date: 14 May 1995 17:11:43 -0400



Has anyone heard of this book and know where it might be available? The

spelling of the name may not be correct.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: D'Addamo Diet

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 16 May 1995 18:01:44 -0400



>looking for book title on D'Adamo diet



There are two books by Dr. D'Adamo.  One is called "One Man's Poison.."

and was published in Canada.  The other is called "The D'Adamo Diet" and

was published in the US (sorry, can't remember the publisher's name off

the top of my head).  I found the US edition (although marketed as

separate book) was really just a revised version of the first.  In short,

buy one or the other, but don't buy both.  D'Adamo's theory is interesting

(he links blood type to food allergies) and has been used by several

naturopaths in Seattle.  If you can't find it locally, e-mail me and I'll

get a price, etc., for you.  

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Nature's Sunshine Herbs

From: brucepeter@aol.com (BrucePeter)

Date: 14 May 1995 17:11:46 -0400



Are there any other Nature's Sunshine distributers in this newsgroup?

For information on this company which is America's #1 herbal distributor

and the largest herb company in the world, you can E-mail me at:

BrucePeter@AOL.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Where's the FAQ

From: tyker@alfalfa.pas.rochester.edu (J. Patrick Tyker)

Date: Sun, 14 May 95 21:15:28 GMT





Could some kind soul please point me to the FAQ for this group?



Thanks



jpt





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chromium Picolante

From: Sally.Rawlins@bigbend.com (Sally Rawlins)

Date: 14 May 95 15:20:22 CST





can anyone tell me why chromium (or anything) should or should not be

chelated?  Thanks in advance. SER



--- Maximus 2.02





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: GINSENG HELP

From: EDZW12F@prodigy.com (Guess Who)

Date: 14 May 1995 22:26:49 GMT



Posting for a Friend





I would like to know some ofthe diffrent thing's Ginseng does for you 

medically and if possible what kinds are the best to use and so forth.

Please E-mail me.





Thanks In advance





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Amanda)

Date: 14 May 1995 22:44:27 GMT



 The header says most of it: I've had a urinary tract infection for

over four years, and I'm a bit tired of it by now :)



The symptoms are mild to severe burning pain in my urethra, heightened

on discharge of urine, and relaxed after discharge.  The pain seems to

get worse when I'm sweating (exercise or heat) or have direct pressure

in the area (sex) and to get better about 15 minutes after I drink a 

lot of water.  So I try to keep hydrated, but it still hurts.  I

usually hurt about every other day, depending on my activities.



It started during a period that I was sexually inactive, and had only

previously had one partner, a year before.  However, I have been

cultured (three times) for chlymidia, with negative results.  I even

went on antibiotics, in case it was an unknown varient of chlymidia.

It didn't help.



I was referred to a urologist from my gynocologist, and have been

seeing him on and off for the past year or so.  He has put me on heavy

courses of Cipro three times, with periods of lessening pain, but no

complete cessation.  He put me on Bactrim for six months at a low

dosage, which I stopped (with his approval) after about two months, as

it wasn't helping at all and it was tearing up my stomach.



He decided it was time to get exploratory, and I got to be the first

with his new cystoscopy machine.  It hurt a great deal when the probe

was inserted, which I gather isn't terribly normal.  He poked about

and decided everything looked peachy, except that my urethra walls

were inflamed, as to be expected, with the pain I have.  He put me

back on Cipro for the next five months.  I've been on it about two,

with no noticable improvement, and am thinking of going off it when I

use up this month's worth.



A friend of mine has suggested that not drinking or eating any milk

product for a month might help- it sounds a bit strange to me, but I'm

trying it.  No success as of the first week.



Mostly I'm fishing for any advice, however strange, as my urologist

doesn't seem to be making much headway, for all that he's trying, and

I'm pretty darn tired of hurting.  Thanks.

-- 

Amanda   "In the clearing stands a boxer and a fighter by his trade,

 TMA #5    and he carries the reminders of every glove that laid him down

        or cut him 'til he cried out, in his anger and his rage,

          "I am leaving, I am leaving," but the fighter still remains..." S&G





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: srussell@ix.netcom.com (Sandra Russell)

Date: 16 May 1995 02:41:12 GMT



In <3p614b$cm9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu 

(Amanda) writes: 



>

> The header says most of it: I've had a urinary tract infection for

>over four years, and I'm a bit tired of it by now :)

>

>The symptoms are mild to severe burning pain in my urethra, heightened

>on discharge of urine, and relaxed after discharge.  The pain seems to

>get worse when I'm sweating (exercise or heat) or have direct pressure

>in the area (sex) and to get better about 15 minutes after I drink a 

>lot of water.  So I try to keep hydrated, but it still hurts.  I

>usually hurt about every other day, depending on my activities.

>

>It started during a period that I was sexually inactive, and had only

>previously had one partner, a year before.  However, I have been

>cultured (three times) for chlymidia, with negative results.  I even

>went on antibiotics, in case it was an unknown varient of chlymidia.

>It didn't help.

>

>I was referred to a urologist from my gynocologist, and have been

>seeing him on and off for the past year or so.  He has put me on heavy

>courses of Cipro three times, with periods of lessening pain, but no

>complete cessation.  He put me on Bactrim for six months at a low

>dosage, which I stopped (with his approval) after about two months, as

>it wasn't helping at all and it was tearing up my stomach.

>

>He decided it was time to get exploratory, and I got to be the first

>with his new cystoscopy machine.  It hurt a great deal when the probe

>was inserted, which I gather isn't terribly normal.  He poked about

>and decided everything looked peachy, except that my urethra walls

>were inflamed, as to be expected, with the pain I have.  He put me

>back on Cipro for the next five months.  I've been on it about two,

>with no noticable improvement, and am thinking of going off it when I

>use up this month's worth.

>

>A friend of mine has suggested that not drinking or eating any milk

>product for a month might help- it sounds a bit strange to me, but I'm

>trying it.  No success as of the first week.

>

>Mostly I'm fishing for any advice, however strange, as my urologist

>doesn't seem to be making much headway, for all that he's trying, and

>I'm pretty darn tired of hurting.  Thanks.





We're lacking some critical info, such as how OLD you are.  Also, have 

you ever had a positive culture for the "infection."



There is a syndrome called interstitial cystitis which can extend into 

the urethra and vulvar area, and act like an infection that won't go 

away.  It's not really an infection, but a collection of other things.  

One of the simplest is irritation from very tiny oxalate crystals, and 

the symptoms are frequently very much like those you describe.  

Sometimes the syndrome can be helped a great deal by taking calcium 

citrate tablets until your urine become alkaline instead of its normal 

acid pH.  Your doctor can give you pH strips and you can get calcium 

citrate (Citri-cal) tabs at any pharmacy, which you'll have to take 

several of, with meals, and in the evening.  In this way, you can 

alkalinize your urine for a couple of weeks to see what happens.  During 

this time you need to avoid berries, spinach, and leafy vegetables.  

Also vitamin C tablets.   Trying this won't hurt you, and it's not 

expensive. In risk it doesn't compare with months of antibiotics.  Talk 

to your doc and give it a try.



                                             Steve Harris, M.D.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Amanda)

Date: 17 May 1995 17:49:46 GMT



In article <3p93c8$el4@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,

Sandra Russell <srussell@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>We're lacking some critical info, such as how OLD you are.  Also, have 

>you ever had a positive culture for the "infection."



Sorry.  

20 years in three weeks.

Lots of cultures, none of them positive.



Thanks for the informations.





-- 

Amanda      Cyanobacteria are the ultimate individualists!    TMA #5





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 16 May 1995 05:02:44 GMT



Amanda (amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:

:  The header says most of it: I've had a urinary tract infection for

: over four years, and I'm a bit tired of it by now :)



Boy have you got my sympathy. Been there, done that and it is NO fun.

>From  what I can gather, your urine cultures keep being negative.  This 

suggests to me that you may have urethral syndrome or vulvar vestibulitis 

or some variant thereof.  My own cultures kept coming out negative even 

though I was peeing every 10 minutes.



I recommend the book _Overcoming Bladder Disorders_ by Rebecca Chalker 

(who's also been there, done that, etc.) and Kristine Whitmore MD.  I'm 

also sending you the vulvar pain syndromes FAQ by e-mail.  Some vulvar 

pain syndromes present with urinary symptoms because it's the area around 

the urethra that is irritated.  You should also consider having vaginal 

infections ruled out.  The last bout of this stuff I had went completely 

away when I treated a yeast infection with over the counter antifungal 

creme.



My own case has responded somewhat to pain medication; specifically 

amitriptyline (an antidepressant with pain relieving properties) and 

tegretol (an anticonvulsant with pain relieving properties.)  Pyridium, 

the urinary pain standby, doesn't help much with urethral syndrome 

because the pain is not originating from the bladder walls.





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        Shrine of the Cybernetic Madonna BBS  213-766-1356

"The board that Hates Rush Limbaugh *and* Newt Gingrich With A Passion"

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Amanda)

Date: 17 May 1995 17:53:18 GMT



In article <3p9blk$spa@news4.primenet.com>,

Camilla Cracchiolo <camilla@primenet.com> wrote:

> You should also consider having vaginal 

>infections ruled out.  The last bout of this stuff I had went completely 

>away when I treated a yeast infection with over the counter antifungal 

>creme.



Onfortunately, this isn't it, as during the course of various

antibiotics I aquired a yeast infection (very different feeling) and

treated it sucessfully while maintaining my chronic problems.



Thanks for the book cite, and the advise, though!



(When I have the time, I plan to compile a list of suggestions I have

recieved, and post them, in case anybody else is curious :)



  





-- 

Amanda      Cyanobacteria are the ultimate individualists!    TMA #5





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: Bob Ginsberg <72027.3405@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 17 May 1995 10:31:30 GMT



I am certainly not an MD, but real studies have been done 

recently to show that cranberry juice really does help urinary 

tract infections by preventing the bacteria from fixing to the 

walls of the bladder and urethra.  



Try drinking 2 or more large glasses of real cranberry juice, not 

sugar water with cranberry flavor, every day for a while.  What 

have you got to lose, it certainly isn't going to hurt, and it 

just may help.



Good luck.



-- 

Bob 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: ALEV56A@prodigy.com (Jeffrey King)

Date: 17 May 1995 14:53:48 GMT



Bob Ginsberg <72027.3405@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>

>I am certainly not an MD, but real studies have been done 

>recently to show that cranberry juice really does help urinary 

>tract infections by preventing the bacteria from fixing to the 

>walls of the bladder and urethra.  

>

>Try drinking 2 or more large glasses of real cranberry juice, not 

>sugar water with cranberry flavor, every day for a while.  What 

>have you got to lose, it certainly isn't going to hurt, and it 

>just may help.



     This is true- the same benefit can be obtained using cranberry 

extract in capsule form.  It's less expensive, and easier for some than 

drinking lots of cranberry juice.  The old idea that it acts by 

acidifying the urine seems to be only a minor action, and is better 

accomplished with vitamin C supplements if desired.





-Insert witty footer here...



  JEFFREY KING  ALEV56A@prodigy.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: John Edwards <bopper@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au>

Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 22:32:48 +1000



On 14 May 1995, Amanda wrote:



>  The header says most of it: I've had a urinary tract infection for

> over four years, and I'm a bit tired of it by now :)

> 

> The symptoms are mild to severe burning pain in my urethra, heightened

> on discharge of urine, and relaxed after discharge.  The pain seems to

> get worse when I'm sweating (exercise or heat) or have direct pressure

> in the area (sex) and to get better about 15 minutes after I drink a 

> lot of water.  So I try to keep hydrated, but it still hurts.  I

> usually hurt about every other day, depending on my activities.

> 

> It started during a period that I was sexually inactive, and had only

> previously had one partner, a year before.  However, I have been

> cultured (three times) for chlymidia, with negative results.  I even

> went on antibiotics, in case it was an unknown varient of chlymidia.

> It didn't help.

> 

> I was referred to a urologist from my gynocologist, and have been

> seeing him on and off for the past year or so.  He has put me on heavy

> courses of Cipro three times, with periods of lessening pain, but no

> complete cessation.  He put me on Bactrim for six months at a low

> dosage, which I stopped (with his approval) after about two months, as

> it wasn't helping at all and it was tearing up my stomach.

> 

> He decided it was time to get exploratory, and I got to be the first

> with his new cystoscopy machine.  It hurt a great deal when the probe

> was inserted, which I gather isn't terribly normal.  He poked about

> and decided everything looked peachy, except that my urethra walls

> were inflamed, as to be expected, with the pain I have.  He put me

> back on Cipro for the next five months.  I've been on it about two,

> with no noticable improvement, and am thinking of going off it when I

> use up this month's worth.

> 

> A friend of mine has suggested that not drinking or eating any milk

> product for a month might help- it sounds a bit strange to me, but I'm

> trying it.  No success as of the first week.

> 

> Mostly I'm fishing for any advice, however strange, as my urologist

> doesn't seem to be making much headway, for all that he's trying, and

> I'm pretty darn tired of hurting.  Thanks.

> -- 

> Amanda   "In the clearing stands a boxer and a fighter by his trade,

>  TMA #5    and he carries the reminders of every glove that laid him down

>         or cut him 'til he cried out, in his anger and his rage,

>           "I am leaving, I am leaving," but the fighter still remains..." S&G

> 

> 

Amanda,

This bit of advice may seem a little odd, but I used to have constant 

UTI's until I brought myself a citrine crystal which only comes off to 

cleanse on a weekly basis. I haven't had any trouble since then..that 

was the only thing I changed in my life at the time and I now live 

without the disgusting pain and inconvenience of an UTI. Good luck- 

Jill

Life's what happens while your making other plans!		





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: bopper@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: "cyberjet (John E. Tobler)" <cyberjet@big12.metrobbs.com>

Date: 18 May 1995 01:10:43 GMT





Can you please tell me about the citrine crystal and how it is used?  I am writing

via a friend, so please respond to cyberspy@big12.metrobbs.com.  Thank you!

LYoung

-- 

==============================================================================

| John E. Tobler               | My opinions are entirely(?) derived.  :-}=  |

| cyberjet@big12.metrobbs.com  | "The map is not the territory and a name is |

| #include <std.disclaimer>    | not the thing described." -- A. Korzybski   |





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: Sandy Weeks <Sandy.Weeks@flinders.edu.au>

Date: 18 May 1995 04:27:11 GMT



> -- 

> Amanda   "In the clearing stands a boxer and a fighter by his trade,

>  TMA #5    and he carries the reminders of every glove that laid him down

>         or cut him 'til he cried out, in his anger and his rage,

>           "I am leaving, I am leaving," but the fighter still remains..." S&G





Amanda, this is indeed an unfortunate situation, and certainly most

distressing for you. Any cystitis is persistent, and even when symptoms

have disappeared following treatment, it is wise to continue same for

a time hence. Usually, the pain experienced during micturition is due

to the acidity of urine that only serves to aggravate the inflamed state

of the sensitive mucosa on the urethra walls. Something that may help

is to drink large quantities of water (at least 3 litres per day), to help

reduce the urine acidity and continually flush the offending organism

through. You may consider drinking large amounts of mild camomile tea

during the day; also, dissolving a teaspoon of bicarbonate of soda in

a glass of warm water and drinking that every 3 hours to decrease the

acidity of your urine. Start taking calcium ascorbate (a non-acidic form

of vitamin C) throughout the day to boost your immune system so that

your body has some of its own ammunition to fight and destroy the

causative organism (approx. dose: 1/2 tsp every 3-4 hours). All of this

should certainly help, as will learning to relax and reducing your

stresses - our immune system (which keeps us free of pathogenic

organisms), simply hates chronic stress etc. and will not function

as effectively as it is designed to do. See how you  go, and good luck!



Sandy Weeks

Medical scientist

Flinders Medical Centre

Bedford Park, South Australia 5042





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: ak905@torfree.net (Joel Sparovec)

Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 04:55:30 GMT



Amanda (amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:



   stuff deleted ...





You neglected to mention any incidence of urinary frequency (peeing 

rather frequently) or urinary urgency (i.e. I need to pee RIGHT NOW), so 

I wonder whether it is in fact a full-fledged UTI that you are 

experiencing and not a problem more closely related to digestion.



-- 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Amanda)

Date: 20 May 1995 20:54:43 GMT



In article <D8v1oJ.IM0@torfree.net>, Joel Sparovec <ak905@torfree.net> wrote:

>Amanda (amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:

>

>   stuff deleted ...

>

>

>You neglected to mention any incidence of urinary frequency (peeing 

>rather frequently) or urinary urgency (i.e. I need to pee RIGHT NOW), so 

>I wonder whether it is in fact a full-fledged UTI that you are 

>experiencing and not a problem more closely related to digestion.



Interesting idea...  Obviously, I don't know for sure.  It does feel

quite UTI-like, though, with the pain being partially an urge to go,

and partially just pain.  With that, and with how touch my urethra is,

I'd tend to think it is something wrong with that specifiac portion of

my anatomy, though it could just be what's going through it is

irritating it.



The main thing that makes me think it is not a classic UTI is that a

number of cultures have failed to grow any bacteria.  Therefore,

perhaps it's over acidic urine?  



Anyway, I've already (pre posting this) tried cranberry juice by the

gallon, so I don't think it's gonna help too much.  As of now, I'm

preparing to head off for the store and vitamin C tablets, to see if

they help.  I think I'm giving up on the milk-less diet, as it's been

over two weeks now, with no improvement at all.  Besides, I'm craving

ice cream!



Thank you all for your suggestions,





-- 

Amanda

	    "She hasn't got the faith or the guts to leave him

		When they're standing in each others' way" -The Guess Who





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)

Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 03:15:53 GMT



In article <3plkuj$ok3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,

Amanda <amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:

>The main thing that makes me think it is not a classic UTI is that a

>number of cultures have failed to grow any bacteria.  Therefore,

>perhaps it's over acidic urine?  

>

>As of now, I'm preparing to head off for the store and vitamin C tablets,

>to see if they help.



Well, just remember that taking a lot of vitamin C will make your

urine MORE acid (not that we know that this is a problem or not

for you now.)



-- 

Steve Dyer

dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 11:03:53 -0700



In article <3plkuj$ok3@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,

amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Amanda) wrote:



> In article <D8v1oJ.IM0@torfree.net>, Joel Sparovec <ak905@torfree.net> wrote:

> >Amanda (amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:

> >

> >   stuff deleted ...

> >

> >

> >You neglected to mention any incidence of urinary frequency (peeing 

> >rather frequently) or urinary urgency (i.e. I need to pee RIGHT NOW), so 

> >I wonder whether it is in fact a full-fledged UTI that you are 

> >experiencing and not a problem more closely related to digestion.

> 

> Interesting idea...  Obviously, I don't know for sure.  It does feel

> quite UTI-like, though, with the pain being partially an urge to go,

> and partially just pain.  With that, and with how touch my urethra is,

> I'd tend to think it is something wrong with that specifiac portion of

> my anatomy, though it could just be what's going through it is

> irritating it.

> 

> The main thing that makes me think it is not a classic UTI is that a

> number of cultures have failed to grow any bacteria.  Therefore,

> perhaps it's over acidic urine?  

> 

> Anyway, I've already (pre posting this) tried cranberry juice by the

> gallon, so I don't think it's gonna help too much.  As of now, I'm

> preparing to head off for the store and vitamin C tablets, to see if

> they help.  I think I'm giving up on the milk-less diet, as it's been

> over two weeks now, with no improvement at all.  Besides, I'm craving

> ice cream!

> 

> Thank you all for your suggestions,

> 

> 

          Many things come to mind when I have read these posts. If not an

infection then what irritants are you exposed to? Do you drink coffee or

caffenated sodas?  Caffene  can be irritating to the bladder.  Toilet

paper can be an irritant if you are sensitive to it, colored or scented

tend to be the offenders, but one time the kind of white toilet paper I

was buying bothered me. It could also be the soap you wash with, I was

also cautioned not to take bubble baths. Feminine deodorant sprays.

Sitting on cold cement benches or other cold things can cause urethreal

spasms.  The soap you wash your underwear with, or the dryer sheets.

Irritation could come from synthetic underwear or the dye in any

underwear, one of the colors might bother you. Positions during sex,

frequent sex(honeymoon cystitus) get up and pee after sex and take it easy

if you are raw: ) , some of the gals I know wear dresses and no underwear

to cut down on the friction and to air out. 

                     This is just a short list of ideas from some of my

experiences, you will need to do some of your own investigative work,

irritants do not have to be dietary  but can be, try the topical things

first they seem easier to accomplish.      In health , Sharon Rust.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Red Clover Tea

From: "Lindsay F. P. Bennett" <lbennett@Direct.CA>

Date: 15 May 1995 02:17:04 GMT



Any info on this stuff as a palliative for cancer? My father-in -law

seems to be doing well on this, especially in the areas of pain relief

and general well-being.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Red Clover Tea

From: maruca@cpcn.com (la madrugadora)

Date: 17 May 1995 03:46:08 GMT



The standard use for red clover tea is an a blood purifier, so I'm not

surprised your in-law is doing well.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Red Clover Tea

From: oatstraw@twain.oit.umass.edu (ROBIN F HOWARD)

Date: 17 May 1995 15:02:22 GMT



la madrugadora (maruca@cpcn.com) wrote:

: The standard use for red clover tea is an a blood purifier, so I'm not

: surprised your in-law is doing well.



Right.  The term "blood purifier" is pretty vague, but generally 

indicates an increase in the immune response as well as, often, an 

anti-mutagenic effect.  The blossoms are the most medicinally potent part 

of the plant.  Fresh violet leaves (eaten) are alleged to have the same 

kind of effect, if that is any interest to you.



Robin





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Red Clover Tea

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 17 May 1995 13:49:00 -0700



Lindsay F. P. Bennett (lbennett@Direct.CA) wrote:

: Any info on this stuff as a palliative for cancer? My father-in -law

: seems to be doing well on this, especially in the areas of pain relief

: and general well-being.



Red clover, and other herbs, have been found to have antitumor properties.

In fact, an herbal healer by the name of Harry Hoxsey supposedly ran a chain

of cancer clinics in the US that used a mixture dubbed the 'red clover

combination'.  He was portrayed as a quack by the AMA, but his formula

was later found to have much benefit as an antitumor medicine.



(drawn from _Earl Mindell's Herb Bible_)



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Role of Amino Acids in Pain Relief

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 15 May 1995 05:21:46 GMT



Please advise of role and effectiveness of amino acids in pain relief,

including dosing information and side effects if any. Have heard that

dl-phenylalanine at 2-3 grams is effective and that lysine and arginine

500mg each is good to relieve stiffness. References would also be

appreciated.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Uses for nettles?

From: isjlf@orion.alaska.edu

Date: 15 May 95 16:18:07 AST



Folks:

	A tremendous amount of nettle is sprouting here on the ranch I moved to

last winter. Can anyone tell me the uses of nettle?

	This place is a botanical wonder.  We'll be eating fiddleheads in 

another week, and I can't wait to see what kind of mushrooms occur here :>



	thanks in advance,

	Jan

	Homer, Alaska





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Uses for nettles?

From: Marylin.Kraker@BBS.C4Systm.COM (Marylin Kraker)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 10:45:17 GMT



isjlf@orion.alaska.edu wrote:

: Folks:

: 	A tremendous amount of nettle is sprouting here on the ranch I moved to

: last winter. Can anyone tell me the uses of nettle?

: 	This place is a botanical wonder.  We'll be eating fiddleheads in 

: another week, and I can't wait to see what kind of mushrooms occur here :>



: 	thanks in advance,

: 	Jan

: 	Homer, Alaska

Stinging nettle makes the best hair rinse ever. Boil a bunch of it in water,

cool, strain. Store in refrigerator or freezer. When you wash your hair,

pour some on as a final rinse (don't rinse it off). Your hair will be really

soft and conditioned without the greasy feeling of oily conditioners. 



It will spoil if stored at room temp. I put some in a plastic bottle and

take it in the bath to warm up before I pour it over my head.



They're also supposed to be good as cooked greens early in the spring. You

have to cook them 2 or 3 times, pouring off the water and replacing it with

fresh. 



Be sure to wear long sleeves and gloves when handling them. The "stinging"

in the name is no joke. After cooking, the sting is gone.



I'm looking forward to the wild strawberries and black raspberries on our 10

acres in SE Michigan. And last summer someone pointed out shaggy manes, but

they were just past their prime. I also use ramps (wild onions, more like

chives), and the wild black cherries are sweet but small -- good for juice

and jelly, but too hard to get the pits out for anything else. Same for the

wild grapes. Still discovering other patches of wonderful stuff after being

out here a couple of years.



Enjoy!





--

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Uses for nettles?

From: oatstraw@twain.oit.umass.edu (ROBIN F HOWARD)

Date: 16 May 1995 19:12:20 GMT



Marylin Kraker (Marylin.Kraker@BBS.C4Systm.COM) wrote:



[re. nettles]



: They're also supposed to be good as cooked greens early in the spring. You

: have to cook them 2 or 3 times, pouring off the water and replacing it with

: fresh. 



Nooooooo!  Just steam them like you would any green...there's no 

bitterness at all, which is usually why you'd cook/drain/cook/drain.  



: Be sure to wear long sleeves and gloves when handling them. The "stinging"

: in the name is no joke. After cooking, the sting is gone.



Although, if you're careful and gentle, you don't need gloves.  I always 

collect them barehanded (because I don't even own gloves).



Of course, there's nettle tea, too.  I love it (although I've heard its 

taste described as "like swampwater"), and it is an old pregnancy tea 

taken at least the last 3 months, to prevent/minimize postpartem 

hemorrhage. 



Robin H.

& dumpling

due 7/17

or so





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Uses for nettles?

From: sorenson@qns2.qns.com (Alissa Sorenson)

Date: 25 May 1995 22:29:31 -0500



ROBIN F HOWARD (oatstraw@twain.oit.umass.edu) wrote:

: Marylin Kraker (Marylin.Kraker@BBS.C4Systm.COM) wrote:



: [re. nettles]



: : They're also supposed to be good as cooked greens early in the spring. You

: : have to cook them 2 or 3 times, pouring off the water and replacing it with

: : fresh. 



: Nooooooo!  Just steam them like you would any green...there's no 

: bitterness at all, which is usually why you'd cook/drain/cook/drain.  



: : Be sure to wear long sleeves and gloves when handling them. The "stinging"

: : in the name is no joke. After cooking, the sting is gone.



: Although, if you're careful and gentle, you don't need gloves.  I always 

: collect them barehanded (because I don't even own gloves).



: Of course, there's nettle tea, too.  I love it (although I've heard its 

: taste described as "like swampwater"), and it is an old pregnancy tea 

: taken at least the last 3 months, to prevent/minimize postpartem 

: hemorrhage. 



: Robin H.

: & dumpling

: due 7/17

: or so



Also, nettle is supposed to be a scalp conditioner and help with hair growth 

if you boil the leaves to make a rinse.  And just for fun... NETTLE 

BEER!       

2 1/4 lb. young Nettles (tops only)

2 lemons

1 tsp. ground Ginger

1 gallon water

1 lb. light brown sugar

1 oz. cream of tartar

3/4 oz. fresh baker's yeast or 1 tsp. dried yeast

(this is what the recipe calls for, but I use brewers yeast)



Bring the rinsed Nettle tops, the peel of the lemon and the ginger to boil in 

the water in a large pan.  Simmer for 20 minutes, strain onto the sugar and 

cream of tartar in another large clean vessel.  Stir and allow to cool.  Add 

the lemon juice and yeast.  Cover with linen tea towels and leave in a warm 

place for three days.  Transfer to a cold place for a further two days.  

Strain and bottle.  Store for about one week.  (it is not a brew for long 

storage). - from the Encyclopedia of Herbs and Herbalism

 - Alissa





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Uses for nettles?

From: dbrowndc@cts.com (David Brown)

Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 13:55:36 GMT





Another use for stinging nettles...



The formic acid in the nettles can act as a challage for the adrenal glands to increase

output of anti-inflammatory action.  May be begun one month prior to

the patient's allergy season and continued throughout the season.



In "the old days" arthritic joints were treated by whipping the joint with

a branch of stinging nettles causing (as you might expect) welts to form.

The result was to stimulate the adrenals and reduce swelling and pain

in the joint.  I don't recommend this to be done, but it's interesting herbal

history.



David





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Uses for nettles?

From: moreta@prostar.com (Moreta)

Date: 16 May 95 12:40:55 PDT



what we use to do with nettles was harvest them. (wear gloves) either set 

up a steamer or boil a bit of water and add them to it. when they were done 

(looks like spinach thats been wilted) we just pulled it out, and added a 

bit of butter and salt and pepper. We have also added to a juice by putting 

it then carrots into the juicer and haveing at it. 



Mo





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chinese herbs?

From: wfb9a@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (William F. Bailes)

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 13:37:05 GMT



I'm rather new to herbal healing.  Does anyone out there have a

recommendation for definitive guides, books, etc.  I would also

like sources for medicinal herbs, especially Chinese. Any help

appreciated!

Thanks,

Buck





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chinese herbs?

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 23 May 1995 06:26:54 GMT



wfb9a@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (William F. Bailes) wrote:

>

> I'm rather new to herbal healing.  Does anyone out there have a

> recommendation for definitive guides, books, etc.  I would also

> like sources for medicinal herbs, especially Chinese. Any help

> appreciated!

> Thanks,

> Buck



is your second name Bailes? So is mine; related??

Send your snail mail address and I'll send yoyu a booklist of Chinese herbs

Michael Bailes

adamtfg@ozemail.com.au.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aphrodesiac Growers Quarterly

From: mriggs8628@aol.com (MRiggs8628)

Date: 15 May 1995 11:32:26 -0400



If anyone knows the mailing address, phone number, or e-mail address of

the Aphrodesiac Quarterly, I would appreciate knowing it too. It is in

America (I think) and was listed as a source in Diane Ackerman's "A

Natural History of Love." I would like to subscribe. Please e-mail me with

any info on The Quarterly or any other aphrodesiac herbs at MRiggs8628.  I

am not interested in lists of herbs quoted from well-known herbal texts, I

already own most of them. Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tea Tree Oil

From: devans@blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Doonald Evans)

Date: 15 May 1995 16:41:29 GMT



Following a really amazing experience using Tea Tree Oil for a gum

condition that halted this degeneration - and root canal work - I want

to write and article on Tea Tree Oil as it can be used for dental and

other ailments.



Can someone point me to a resource to research the benefits of Tea

Tree Oil and any scientific/medical research as well?



Thank you



Frances Smith Evans

-- 

Frances Smith Evans	 |  Professor Donald Evans  |Email:   

   W R I T E R           |  Philosophy Dept. U of T |devans@epas.utoronto.ca 

Fax/Phone:416-924-0731	 |  416-924-3943	    |

                         





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Role of Amino Acids in Pain Relief-drug detox

From: Wendy Bardsley <zignorp@hooked.net>

Date: 15 May 1995 18:15:33 GMT



bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller) wrote: 

>Please advise of role and effectiveness of amino acids in pain relief, 

>including dosing information and side effects if any. Have heard that 

>dl-phenylalanine at 2-3 grams is effective and that lysine and arginine 

>500mg each is good to relieve stiffness. References would also be 

>appreciated. 

I have been advised to take amino acids for drug detox.  Any more info on   

how they work would be great- I got a liquid predigested collagen protein   

formula from twinlab, and just started taking it.  I was also told to   

take 500mg. cisteine and tyrosine, and glutamine daily, but I skipped the   

glutamine, as this formula contains 1876 mg of l-glutamic acid per   

serving. I just started taking this stuff, so I haven't noticed any   

difference yet.  Any advice on where I could find more info would be   

greatly appreciated.  (I'm using them in conjuction with acupuncture,   

herbs, counseling,etc.)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Echinacea Tincture Help

From: niteowl@crash.cts.com (Richard Stricker)

Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 18:40:07 GMT



I'm ready to try making my first batch of echinacea tincture and

would appreciate the help a knowledgable herbalist regarding the 

following questions.



Is fresh root preferable to dried root?



Are there any potential harmful effects to making the tincture myself?



Should I mash the root in a blender or is there a better way?



Any other advice would be most appreciated.



Sincerely, Annie Mackin 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: niteowl@crash.cts.com

Subject: Re: Echinacea Tincture Help

From: Cathy LeFevre <cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 17 May 1995 17:20:43 GMT



Richard, I have successfully prepared Echinacea tincture in my home.  It 

is a fairly easy process.



I grow my own echinacea purpurea (i.e. purple coneflower).  The fresh 

roots are the best to use for any purpose, but you can use dried.  You 

need more herb if you are using the dried herb.  I have a specific recipe 

if you are one of those people that has to have exact measurements, 

however I found that the exact measurements translated into covering the 

herb with alcohol and letting it set for two weeks in a dark place.



My method is:



Pull the fresh root in the fall and chop it with a sharp knife.  They are 

tough so this can be a little time consuming.  You could probably use a 

Vita-Mix or something similar.  Put the fresh root in a jar.  I use a 

quart size canning jar and fill it halfway with the root.  Pour in enough 

alcohol (the drinking kind, not the rubbing kind) to cover the root 

completely.  Put a tight cap on the jar and shake well.  Store this 

mixture in a dark place.  Take out twice a day to shake well.  Store for 

two weeks.  



After two weeks drain the alcohol into a container.  I pressed the extra 

alcohol out of the root, but didn't get much so it probably wasn't worth 

the effort.  The alcohol is your tincture.  It is now dark brown.  That 

indicates that the essential oils from the root has been absorbed by the 

alcohol.  Now you let that set for a few hours so the sediment settles.  

(There isn't much sediment.)  It can be used this way or you can 

carefully pour the tincture into a dark glass bottle with a tight lid, 

being careful not to disturb the sediment.  I poured what I could into 

the bottle without getting any sediment then let it settle again.  Then I 

used a small siphon to get what I could without disturbing the sediment. 

 Kind of a pain since the sediment is probably good for you too, but it 

looks good.



I have used my tincture safely for illnesses in myself and my family.  It 

has worked well for us.  I only take 1/2 teaspoon three times a day when 

I first feel ill.  Then I only take it for a few days.  That is usually 

all that is necessary.  Remember, tincture prepared from fresh root is 

stronger so you don't need to use as much of it.



I have used this same method to extract the essential oils from willow 

bark.  I have used that tincture for headaches and find it works much 

better and more quickly than commercial aspirin.



Good luck!!



8-)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea Tincture Help

From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London)

Date: 19 May 1995 04:58:22 GMT



>From  gilliam@rudkin.fccc.edu Sat Nov 26 18:29:28 EST 1994

From: gilliam@rudkin.fccc.edu (Jon Charles Gilliam)

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: more echinacea info wanted

Date: 23 Nov 1994 20:06:16 GMT

Organization: Fox Chase Cancer Center, Philadelphia, PA

Lines: 32



In article <Pine.Sola.3.91.941122143531.3270A-100000@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>, kapfer thomas l <kapfer@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:

>

>I have long known about the reputed effets of using echinacea but as of 

>yet have never used it.  I am growing it in my garden and will have 

>enough to harvest next year.  What parts do I use to make tea?  Can I use 

>any part?(flowers, roots, leaves).  Thanks for any help.



   I snip the flower heads and stems, put them through the food processor

or blender, add vodka to just cover and then strain after sitting in a

dark, cool place for a couple of weeks.  Strain through a cloth, add

sugar to taste, and take a teaspoon 3 times a day when you feel a cold

coming on.



:jon



(The stems and flowerheads are quite tough, so make sure your blender or

food processor is up to it, and chop coarsely first by hand)



-- 

-----

Jon C. Gilliam   <JC_Gilliam@fccc.edu>

   Do nothing, and leave nothing undone.

    -- Lao Tzu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Updated information on Chromium Picolinate

From: jcallicutt@aol.com (JCallicutt)

Date: 15 May 1995 16:09:36 -0400





In discussions of Chromium Picolinate, we are referring to the

nutritional form of Chromium known as Trivalent chromium.Chromium

in this form is non-toxic and water soluble, much like vitamin C

The word Picolinate is derived from Picolinic acid. Picolinic acid

is a natural mineral transporter manufactured in the liver and

kidneys. It is necessary to combine chromium with picolinic

acid for the reason that the chromium supplement has to have

a pathway to muscle tissue where it can be utilized.



     Studies show that as many as 90% of Americans are deficient

in chromium. While not all those who are chromium deficient

are overweight (the typical result of such a deficiency) Most overweight

people ARE deficient in chromium. The reasons are

that most overweight people are insensitive to the hormone insulin.

since insulin controls, to a large extent, the way your body metabolizes

ingested  fat and sugar, A deficiency here can result

in a weight control problem. In many cases poor insulin sensitivity

results from a deficiency in chromium. The physiological role

of chromium is to support the insulin sensitivity of the bodies tissues.

a deficiency here can trigger deficiencies eslewhere.



     Chromium is not a "miracle cure" for obesity, nor does ingesting

massive amounts of chromium give a person license to eat a poorly

structured diet. A strict diet regimen is NOT the key to successful

weight loss or maintenance with chromium. The key is to strictly

limit the intake of dietary fat. For weight loss no more than 10 fat

calories per hundred consumed, for maintenance, no more than 20.

The third factor is to eat regularly. A car won't run without fuel.

your body won't either. counting and limiting calories as a way

to lose weight will only force your body to store fat in the anticipation

of starving. It is possible to gain weight this way on 1000 calories

per day. On the other hand it is quite routine for a man or woman to

LOSE weight consuming 2500 calories per day, or more. The key

is not HOW MUCH you eat, but WHAT you eat. In most cases

the changes are simple but powerful. Switching from beef to poultry

for protein, increasing your intake of bread, rice & pasta, limiting

dairy products to skim milk & non-fat cheese. Eating vegetables

raw, not cooked. There are dozens of switches like this that can

make a large difference in your life. Chromium is only one link in

the chain. A very important link, but it must be combined with a healthy

diet

to be most effective. Additional information is available

on request. I am in the process of collecting research in this area. Any

feedback is appreciated. Questions or comments can be E-mailed to 

JCallicutt@AOL.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Updated information on Chromium Picolinate

From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 05:33:13 GMT



In article <3p8ce0$ot2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

JCallicutt <jcallicutt@aol.com> wrote:

>[long advertisement deleted]

>Additional information is available

>on request. I am in the process of collecting research in this area. Any

>feedback is appreciated. Questions or comments can be E-mailed to 

>JCallicutt@AOL.



Here's a comment: STOP POSTING YOUR ADS TO INTERNET NEWSGROUPS WHERE

THEY DON'T BELONG.



-- 

Steve Dyer

dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Updated information on Chromium Picolinate

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 16 May 1995 17:53:03 -0400



>am collecting research on this topic



Check Medline this month or next.  I was chatting about "hot nutritional

supplements" with a nutrition researcher/customer. He said  that there's

some new studies out in France that do NOT support all the Chromium

Picolinate claims -- he wasn't sure how good they were, but thought that

they would be used by the FDA, etc., to discourage the chromium sales. 



Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: A QUESTION ON BROOM

From: wilsonsux@aol.com (WILSONSUX)

Date: 15 May 1995 16:51:43 -0400



how much can you take of broom before it becomes dangerous?

  "Set the gear shift for the high gear of your soul. You've got to run

like an antelope, out of control."  "Wash Uffitze drive me to Firenze."

**************************************************************************

************************

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HERBALISM

From: gypsijoe@aol.com (Gypsi Joe)

Date: 15 May 1995 21:16:23 -0400



I am new here on Internet and would like to "talk" to others in the Herbal

field. I am a Certified / Master Herbalist and a non-practicing R.N. I

have been in the Natural Health care field now for 12 years and have

really watched it change. Please I would like some imput if you have any.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBALISM

From: Marylin.Kraker@BBS.C4Systm.COM (Marylin Kraker)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 10:46:33 GMT



Gypsi Joe (gypsijoe@aol.com) wrote:

: I am new here on Internet and would like to "talk" to others in the Herbal

: field. I am a Certified / Master Herbalist and a non-practicing R.N. I

: have been in the Natural Health care field now for 12 years and have

: really watched it change. Please I would like some imput if you have any.



You'll also find discussions in misc.health.alternative.



--

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: gypsijoe@aol.com

Subject: Re: HERBALISM

From: Cathy LeFevre <cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 17 May 1995 17:26:06 GMT



I want to be a certified herbalist.  How do I do that?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBALISM

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: 20 May 1995 00:07:08 +0100



In article <3pdbje$vng@news.tcd.net> cathy@tcd.net "Cathy LeFevre" writes:



> I want to be a certified herbalist.  How do I do that?

> 

You can take a correspondence course at the School of Phytology in the UK.

-- 

David Powner                   Internet: David@filtermx.demon.co.uk

Micronair {Pollution Control}  Phone   :(01782) 565816

1 Blackthorn Place             Fax     :(01782) 565834

Newcastle under Lyme           Data    :(01782) 562213 (24hr BBS to V32)

ST5 7BE          U.K.          Mobile  : 0831 879135





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginseng/Mail order

From: paula@oingomth.uwc.edu (PMS)

Date: 16 May 1995 02:02:15 GMT



A good source for mail order ginseng is : Physician's Choice

                                          Woodland Farm LTD.

                                          780 Spring Road

                                          Marathon, WI  54448

You get 60 caps for $9.00.





PMS (just my initals not my disposition!!!)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng/Mail order

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 19 May 95 13:34:25 PST



In message ID <3p9137$ii9@uwm.edu> on 5/15/95, PMS <paula@oingomth.uwc.edu>

wrote:



: A good source for mail order ginseng is : Physician's Choice

:                                           Woodland Farm LTD.

:                                           780 Spring Road

:                                           Marathon, WI  54448

: You get 60 caps for $9.00.

: 

: PMS (just my initals not my disposition!!!)



This is presumably American ginseng, not the plant that the person was asking

about. 



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sleeping potion?

From: greeff@alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Oliver Greeff)

Date: 16 May 1995 12:56:24 GMT



For the last year I had quite a hard time emotionally, since some

major changes happened to me and my life. The actual important

 thought sometimes even kept me from sleeping, although

I was tired enough. It really isn't nice to lie around at night,

your mind reeling

with problems and a desire for nothing but sleep. I happened to

meet people who gave me advice on herbs which might improve the

quality of my sleep, and recently I have tried a tincture of valerian

before I go to bed. It seems to work for the first half of the night,

but after that it was the same story. Does any of you, dear readers/

writers in this newsgroup have a herbal recipe for a sleeping potion that

 really makes you tired, so tired that you cannot do anything but sleep?

If so, I'd really be grateful if you let me know by posting here or

by email: oliver@postgate.mpi-mm.uni-bremen.de

Fini and thanx so much! Regards, Oliver





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleeping potion?

From: scjoseph@aol.com (SCJOSEPH)

Date: 16 May 1995 17:42:54 -0400



Greetings --



I use a pill-form of herbal sleep remedy called Calms Forte, or a

tinctiture called Nervine Tonic.  Both pretty much contain the same

ingredients:



Valerian

Skullcap

Passion Flower



Mix those three together, and I get very sleepy and relaxed.

Good luck!



Peace,

SCJ

Sister Carol Joseph

SCJoseph@aol.com



Emancipate yourself from mental slavery -- none but ourselves can free our

minds.  ---Bob Marley.  In Jah Love.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleeping potion?

From: pixel@metronet.com (Steve Standeford)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 21:54:29 -0600



In article <3pa7do$gdg@gina.zfn.uni-bremen.de>,

greeff@alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Oliver Greeff) wrote:



>>For the last year I had quite a hard time emotionally, since some

>>major changes happened to me and my life. The actual important

>> thought sometimes even kept me from sleeping, although

>>I was tired enough. It really isn't nice to lie around at night,

>>your mind reeling with problems and a desire for nothing but sleep.



I have had success with kava kava it seems to relax me in a different way

than Valerian, the Valerian seemed to make me a bit more uncomfortable at

bedtime.



ss



-- 

Steve Standeford

Electronic Artist

pixel@metronet.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleeping potion?

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 17 May 1995 06:29:06 -0700





: >>For the last year I had quite a hard time emotionally, since some

: >>major changes happened to me and my life. The actual important

: >> thought sometimes even kept me from sleeping, although

: >>I was tired enough. It really isn't nice to lie around at night,

: >>your mind reeling with problems and a desire for nothing but sleep.



The best blend I've heard to date is a tea made from chamomile, spearmint,

catnip, and skullcap.  Brew, sweeten (with honey, sugar makes herbals

taste weird), and drink.



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleeping potion?

From: oatstraw@twain.oit.umass.edu (ROBIN F HOWARD)

Date: 17 May 1995 14:31:45 GMT



A really effective (for me) combo is:  tinctures of valerian, skullcap, 

and chamomile with a drop or two of chamomile flower essence.  And a hot 

bath.  And a cup of oatstraw tea.  And a back rub.....



Any or all, YMMV.



Robin

a.k.a. "oatstraw"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleeping potion?

From: joanne@eskimo.com (JoAnne Bassett)

Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 16:29:21 GMT



-- 

JoAnne Bassett                          Aromatherapy grade essential oils,

Certified Aromatherapist       >><<     blends, diffusers, floral waters,

joanne@eskimo.com              >><<     natural bodycare products, kits,

http://www.eskimo.com/~joanne  >><<     blending oils, books, etc.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: oatstraw@twain.oit.umass.edu

Subject: Re: Sleeping potion?

From: Cathy <Cathy@tcd.net>

Date: 19 May 1995 03:33:00 GMT



The replies on the newsgroup to your request for information are good 

ones.  I use chamomile whenever I can't sleep.  A cup of chamomile tea 

and a book usually has me sleeping within 20 minutes.  Often I will take 

a chamomile bath if I am feeling physically strained (to much effort and 

time hand weeding my herb garden) and/or mentally stressed.  The steam is 

soothing and the chamomile is relaxing.



Since chamomile has a nice gentle flavor I don't mix it with anything 

else.  Sometimes I will add a touch of honey, about 1/4 teaspoon; 

sometimes not.



Of course I grow my own chamomile.  I am finding out that it is really 

prolific.  I have been pulling chamomile plants out of my flowerbeds!  

They didn't stay in that nice raised bed I prepared for them last spring. 

 But I bet that dried chamomile purchased at your local health food store 

will work just as well as my home grown stuff.



Have you tried meditation to calm your inner self?  Works well for me.  I 

start by concentrating on relaxing my body and find that my mind will 

relax as well.  If you are interested in meditation send me an e-mail or 

post the question on the newsgroup and I will share my meditation method.



:-)

Cathy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleeping potion?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 20 May 95 13:33:10 PST



In message ID <pixel-1605952154290001@net64.metronet.com> on 5/16/95, Steve

Standeford <pixel@metronet.com> wrote:



: In article <3pa7do$gdg@gina.zfn.uni-bremen.de>,

: greeff@alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Oliver Greeff) wrote:

: 

: >>For the last year I had quite a hard time emotionally, since some

: >>major changes happened to me and my life. The actual important

: >> thought sometimes even kept me from sleeping, although

: >>I was tired enough. It really isn't nice to lie around at night,

: >>your mind reeling with problems and a desire for nothing but sleep.

: 

: I have had success with kava kava it seems to relax me in a

: different way than Valerian, the Valerian seemed to make me a bit

: more uncomfortable at bedtime.

: 

: ss

: 

: -- 

: Steve Standeford



One is Cool (Kava), the other Warm or Hot. Mimosa flowers, Ardisia, are used in

East-Asian traditional healing for grief, and are a useful sedative tea when the

difficulties involve loss.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleeping potion?

From: akerson@clark.net (Pete Akerson)

Date: 23 May 1995 22:45:53 GMT



I've read that a common German solution is a small pillow

filled with hops.



Any .de folks want to confirm ?



-P



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: birth controll?

From: nonni@haven.ios.com (Iyabinghi)

Date: 16 May 1995 12:57:08 GMT



Can anyone advise me as to what herbs are sure temporary infertility 

promoters? I know Queen Anne's Lace (wild carrot) is one, but it 

essentially prevents implantation of an already fertilized egg. What 

disables fertilization in the first place?

Blessed Be



--

"In this great future we can't forget the past"

                                         - R.N.M





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: birth controll?

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 18 May 1995 12:10:49 -0700



Iyabinghi (nonni@haven.ios.com) wrote:

: Can anyone advise me as to what herbs are sure temporary infertility 

: promoters? I know Queen Anne's Lace (wild carrot) is one, but it 

: essentially prevents implantation of an already fertilized egg. What 

: disables fertilization in the first place?

: Blessed Be



: --

: "In this great future we can't forget the past"



The only real ways to not get pregnant are to either prevent fertilization

or implantation.  Either is equally effective, but the methods of implementing

that are different.  The easiest way to prevent implantation is to stimulate

menstruation (which is what wild carrot does, if I'm not mistaken).  To

disable fertilization, however, the egg must be fooled into thinking that

it is ALREADY fertilized so that its outer covering builds up and prevents

sperm from entering.  The female hormone progesterone does this (prevents^)



Progesterone is only formed in animal tissues, not in herbs.  Birth control

pills contain high amounts of progesterone; in fact, if they are taken

nonstop (without the 'menstrual week' most prescriptions supply), the

menstrual periods will cease.



Hope this helps.



-j

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: birth controll?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 20 May 95 22:38:03 PST



In message ID <3pa7f4$5oc@ankh.iia.org> on 5/16/95, Iyabinghi

<nonni@haven.ios.com> wrote:



: Can anyone advise me as to what herbs are sure temporary infertility

:  promoters? I know Queen Anne's Lace (wild carrot) is one, but it 

: essentially prevents implantation of an already fertilized egg. What

:  disables fertilization in the first place? Blessed Be

: 

: --

: "In this great future we can't forget the past"

:                                          - R.N.M



The idea that you can disrupt your fertility with herbals without damaging your

health is totally misguided. Use a condom!



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ZODIAC HERBAL TEAS !  Herbs for each Sign's Needs

From: Capital@clark.net (J.G.)

Date: 16 May 1995 13:36:23 GMT



		   ZODIAC HERBAL TEAS - Email:  Capital@clark.net 





>         Beverly Hills, California based Sun Sign Natural Beverages, 

Inc.is now entering the $ 3.5 Billon New Age Beverage market with its new 

> line of  Zodiac Herbal Teas that are all natural, healthy, and caffeine 

> free.  The teas are blended according to the astrology and health needs 

> of each birth sign in the Zodiac Astrological Chart.  

> 

>         Sun Sign's tea blends are formulated by Chief Louis "Blackfoot" 

> Fowler, a native Cherokee Indian and 5th generation tea maker and 

> herbologist,who has pursued the sciences of Astrology and Herbology for 

> 25 years.  Over the years, he found common ground between these two 

> studies - that individuals of like signs are generally susceptible to 

> similar physical maladies, and that certain natural herbs could be used 

> in treating these maladies.  Building on this premise, Blackfoot 

> carefully devised twelve individual blends of herbal teas that 

> effectively address the health needs of each astrological sign. He also 

> chose herbs to address the temperament, color, and entire anatomy of 

each sign.  Zodiac Herbal Teas will appeal to astrology enthusiasts as 

well as tea drinkers all over the world which number in the millions - as 

well as the horoscope curious who do not admit to being astrology buffs.

> 

>         Astrology as a fad, religion, and science touches many walks of 

> life of millions and millions of consumers who will purchase Zodiac 

> Herbal Teas based on curiosity, the natural herbal taste, and potential 

> medicinal benefits they provide.  Herbal teas have sold successfully 

over the past 2 decades and are fast replacing coffee as America's 

favorite beverage.  However, most teas are bought for flavor, while 

Zodiac Herbal Teas not only provide superior flavor, but much more.  The 

true origin of tea in North America lies with the American Indians, who 

drank herbal teas primarily for their health.  The Europeans brought 

their flavored teas to the New World, and the Indian herb teas were lost 

- until now.  Each Zodiac Herbal Tea is assigned a unique flavor and 

combination of herbs.  People are encouraged to try teas other than their 

own sign.

> 

>         Sun Sign Natural Beverages will be introducing additional 

Zodiac Herbal products later this year, including Zodiac Herbal Ice Tea 

mixes, and Zodiac Herbal Tea Tablets.  Their  goal is to make Zodiac 

Herbal Teas the top selling tea drink in America.  They are selling their 

products exclusively through network distributors or multilevel 

marketing.   For info, call send name and mailing address by E-Mail to:  

Capital@clark.net

> 

> Email:                          Capital@clark.n





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cat Sedative

From: aq898@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eddie Paul)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 14:25:58 GMT



We are moving this summer, and need to keep our cat in a relaxed

state for the 2 hour drive from Ottawa to Montreal. Rather than

give her a doze of pills, would anyone be aware of a herbal sedative

that would keep our Holstein cat from getting too stressed in her

carrying case?

--

******************                           

Eddie Paul                              

aq898@freenet.carleton.ca                      





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat Sedative

From: bo869@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Carlene Paquette)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 15:34:13 GMT



In a previous posting, Eddie Paul (aq898@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes:

> We are moving this summer, and need to keep our cat in a relaxed

> state for the 2 hour drive from Ottawa to Montreal. Rather than

> give her a doze of pills, would anyone be aware of a herbal sedative

> that would keep our Holstein cat from getting too stressed in her

> carrying case?

> --

> ******************                           

> Eddie Paul                              

> aq898@freenet.carleton.ca                      



Personally our cat doesn't seem to mind the carrier.  Once she figures out

that she can't break out she settles down to wait until we let her out

(London to Ottawa is a long drive and she didn't make a peep in

complaint).  You could try giving your cat catnip a while before you

leave.  I've noticed our cat gets really hyper from it - for a bout an

hour and then she crashes and snoozes after that.  If your cat behaves

similarly this may be the answer you're looking for.  You could also try

aclimatizing the cat to the carrier.  Take it on short trips in the

carrier, gradually making them longer and reward it for good behaviour. 

Finally, make sure that the cat has food and water in the carrier on the

trip - this should help improve it's mood.



Good luck and happy travelling

Carlene

--

"I'm thinking of the immortal words of Socrates who said...  

       'I drank what?'" - from "Real Genius"

Carlene Paquette - Now Employed Geographer at Large - Ottawa, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat Sedative

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 16 May 1995 16:10:09 GMT



Eddie Paul (aq898@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:



: We are moving this summer, and need to keep our cat in a relaxed

: state for the 2 hour drive from Ottawa to Montreal. Rather than

: give her a doze of pills, would anyone be aware of a herbal sedative

: that would keep our Holstein cat from getting too stressed in her

: carrying case?



My ex sedated her cat by letting it eat about a tablespoon of marijuana

(which it was prone to do anyway). This prevented it from destroying more

upholstery. It just purred the whole trip while watching out the window.



--

dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat Sedative

From: misa@cats.ucsc.edu (Misa Lin)

Date: 17 May 1995 03:13:25 GMT





You might want to try Calm Forte, it's made of natural herbs and

it's in a pill form. It works pretty well.  I useually grind

it up and mix it in their food. It works well and it's pretty safe.



I got this from reading rec.pets.cats





In <D8oDFA.4Es@freenet.carleton.ca> aq898@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eddie Paul) writes:





>We are moving this summer, and need to keep our cat in a relaxed

>state for the 2 hour drive from Ottawa to Montreal. Rather than

>give her a doze of pills, would anyone be aware of a herbal sedative

>that would keep our Holstein cat from getting too stressed in her

>carrying case?

>--

>******************                           

>Eddie Paul                              

>aq898@freenet.carleton.ca                      





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat Sedative

From: oatstraw@twain.oit.umass.edu (ROBIN F HOWARD)

Date: 17 May 1995 15:16:20 GMT



Eddie Paul (aq898@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:



: We are moving this summer, and need to keep our cat in a relaxed

: state for the 2 hour drive from Ottawa to Montreal. Rather than

: give her a doze of pills, would anyone be aware of a herbal sedative

: that would keep our Holstein cat from getting too stressed in her

: carrying case?

: --

I'd also try Rescue Remedy, either in water, or rubbed behind her ears.  

Works amazingly well on animals.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat Sedative

From: placbv@bremner.uct.ac.za

Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 07:19:41 GMT



In article <D8oDFA.4Es@freenet.carleton.ca> aq898@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eddie Paul) writes:

>From: aq898@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eddie Paul)

>Subject: Cat Sedative

>Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 14:25:58 GMT





>We are moving this summer, and need to keep our cat in a relaxed

>state for the 2 hour drive from Ottawa to Montreal. Rather than

>give her a doze of pills, would anyone be aware of a herbal sedative

>that would keep our Holstein cat from getting too stressed in her

>carrying case?

>--

>******************                           

>Eddie Paul                              

>aq898@freenet.carleton.ca                      



I would advise that whatever you use, you do a trial run (drive) first.  My 

cat hated being sedated and seemed to panic more as he was "out of 

control".  I have since taken him on long drives, one over 2 hours, and 

after a bit he settled down just fine.  He prefered to sit at the back 

window where he could watch the world go by, or in my lap.  There is a 

risk of loss of bladder control so it may be safer to keep her in her case 

or else you could ask your vet to show you how to induce a piddle before 

getting into the car.  We've only ever had one "accident" but with a 

scent like that, one is more than enough.  Either way, happy moving!



The cat's mother





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ma huang and Guarana: are they safe?

From: bhovey@crl.com (Brian T. Hovey)

Date: 16 May 1995 15:35:07 GMT



I'm new to herbs so I'm doing some reseach on these substances?  I found 

these substances in a concentrated form in some herbal weightloss products 

that I'm checking out and I want to have an idea if they're safe?  Will 

they raise my blood to dangerous levels, even to cause a stroke?  Can I 

exersize safely while using them?  Just a few questions for the experts in 

this group.  Feel free to elaberate on the pros and cons of these 

substances.  Thanks for your input.



Brian

bhovey@crl.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma huang and Guarana: are they safe?

From: crazyshell@aol.com (Crazyshell)

Date: 16 May 1995 18:02:35 -0400



Ma huang can cause heart palpitations and is not safe for long term use. I

use ma huang in tea form only for my asthma and I only use it when I have

bad congestion or tightness that is not relieved by other means. I think

you are just playing with fire using it for anything else - plus there is

always the danger of overdosing.



Michelle Wolfson





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma huang and Guarana: are they safe?

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 17 May 1995 06:31:49 -0700



Crazyshell (crazyshell@aol.com) wrote:

: Ma huang can cause heart palpitations and is not safe for long term use. I

: use ma huang in tea form only for my asthma and I only use it when I have

: bad congestion or tightness that is not relieved by other means. I think

: you are just playing with fire using it for anything else - plus there is

: always the danger of overdosing.



: Michelle Wolfson



I saw a box of herbal diet tea in the store just yesterday... seems they've 

changed the blend.  Ma huang is no longer an ingredient... instead, it

contains siberian ginseng.



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma huang and Guarana: are they safe?

From: Bob Ginsberg <72027.3405@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 19 May 1995 10:46:36 GMT



Personally, I can take these in combinations without any 

problems, and I know several others who can as well.  BUT, I also 

know several people who nearly exploded (slight exageration) from 

taking some of these products.  Three weeks ago, a woman was 

taken to the emergency room after taking a product with these in 

it.  She had severe shakes, her heart was flying, etc.  These are 

common symptons of those who cannot tolerate these stimulants.



If you try it, just start off with a low dose and watch yourself. 

 If you do have a bad reaction, just wait about 4-5 hours and it 

should go away.



-- 

Bob 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Updated information on Chromium Picolinate (no

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 16 May 95 07:48:22 PST



In message ID <3otrcv$evo@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 5/11/95, JCallicutt

<jcallicutt@aol.com> wrote:



: In discussions of Chromium Picolinate, we are referring to the

: nutritional form of Chromium known as Trivalent chromium.Chromium

: in this form is non-toxic and water soluble, much like vitamin C

: The word Picolinate is derived from Picolinic acid. [snip]



At the bottom of the post is where you state outright that you have no

commercial interest in Chromium. Otherwise, this is an ad, and I will complain

to AOL (after all, they have only had five mailings from me this week) about it.

NO ADS!



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aromatherapy Diffuser

From: wiemert@tara.mfg.sgi.com (Chris Wiemert)

Date: 16 May 1995 16:17:33 GMT





    My wife is a massage therapist who is looking for an Aromatherapy

    Diffuser. I think this device takes the essential oils from herbs,

    etc. and either heats them or atomizes them somehow to create

    scents for whole rooms/houses.



    Can anyone explain just what an Aromatherapy Diffuser, is as a 

    Diffuser does.?



     Where can we find the best brand/type of this device ?  cost ?



   

    Any info greatly appreciated....Thanks,

                                                 Christopher



                                           wiemert@tara.mfg.sgi.com



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                                           local: 415 390-1242

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aromatherapy Diffuser

From: joanne@eskimo.com (JoAnne Bassett)

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 22:48:54 GMT



:     My wife is a massage therapist who is looking for an Aromatherapy

:     Diffuser. I think this device takes the essential oils from herbs,

:     etc. and either heats them or atomizes them somehow to create

:     scents for whole rooms/houses.



:     Can anyone explain just what an Aromatherapy Diffuser, is as a 

:     Diffuser does.?



:      Where can we find the best brand/type of this device ?  cost ?



:    

:     Any info greatly appreciated....Thanks,

:                                                  Christopher



:                                            wiemert@tara.mfg.sgi.com





:                                            Christopher Wiemert

:                                            Silicon Graphics Computers

:                                            Mountain View , Ca.

:                                            local: 415 390-1242

:                                            toll free: 1-800-488-1414

:                                            E-mail: wiemert@tara.mfg.sgi.com

:     

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Certified Aromatherapist       >><<     blends, diffusers, floral waters,

joanne@eskimo.com              >><<     natural bodycare products, kits,

http://www.eskimo.com/~joanne  >><<     blending oils, books, etc.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: wiemert@tara.mfg.sgi.com

Subject: Re: Aromatherapy Diffuser

From: "Liberty Natural Products, Inc." <liberty@teleport.com>

Date: 20 May 1995 22:59:10 GMT



The purpose of the diffuser is to release essential oils in a controlled

manner for therapuetic or aesthetic reasons.  Considerations in selecting

a diffuser:

1. How does the diffuser disperse the essential oil.  

   a.  The best diffusers 

   use a air actuated venturi device that breaks the oil into fine       

   particulates.  These particulates are then passed through a filter    

   that allows the finest particulates to pass through into the room    

   environment. Glass diffusers do not react to the essential oils and

   are superior.  There are diffent sizes of diffusers for different     

   sized rooms.  Some diffuser pumps run more quietyly than others. Some 

   diffusers allow control over the rate of diffusion and the volume

   of material used.

   b.  Ceramic diffusers use a tea lite candle to warm a reservoir of

   water in which a few drops of oil a placed.  The heat increases the

   activity of the oils and they are dispersed.  Some say the heating    

   process can cause a chemical change in the oils that may reduce the

   aesthetic appeal of the oil and/or change the aromatherapuetic effect.

       Lamp rings utilize the heat of a light bulb.  The lamp rings are

   placed on the bulb and absorb heat that increases the activity of the 

   oil that is dropped onto the pourous surface.  Some lamp rings are

   made out of metal.

       Copper Olive Oil lamps, similiarly utilize the burning flame of   

   olive oil to heat a water reservoir in which a few drops of oil is 

   placed.  Olive oil lamps are decorative in appeal and the flame helps

   create a relaxing ambiance.

   c.  Fine Mist Spray glassware is a low cost high quality method of

   dispensing essential oils.  



Our company, Liberty Natural Products distributes a variety of diffusers.

Feel free to call us at 1-800-289-8427 or check out our web page under

construction at http://www.teleport.com/~liberty/



Hope this info was helpful.  Regards, Jim Dierking





       





1.  Does the diffuser break the volatile oil into fine particulates for

    dispersion into the air?

2.  Does the diffuser alter the oil in the process...eg by heating the

    material or by coming in contact with materials that it might react

    with.

3.  Does the duffuser make a noise, such as air pump based diffusers?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aromatherapy Diffuser

From: joanne@eskimo.com (JoAnne Bassett)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 16:25:48 GMT





: The purpose of the diffuser is to release essential oils in a controlled

: manner for therapuetic or aesthetic reasons.  Considerations in selecting

: a diffuser:

: 1. How does the diffuser disperse the essential oil.  

:    a.  The best diffusers 

:    use a air actuated venturi device that breaks the oil into fine       

:    particulates.  These particulates are then passed through a filter    

:    that allows the finest particulates to pass through into the room    

:    environment. Glass diffusers do not react to the essential oils and

:    are superior.  There are diffent sizes of diffusers for different     

:    sized rooms.  Some diffuser pumps run more quietyly than others. Some 

:    diffusers allow control over the rate of diffusion and the volume

:    of material used.

:    b.  Ceramic diffusers use a tea lite candle to warm a reservoir of

:    water in which a few drops of oil a placed.  The heat increases the

:    activity of the oils and they are dispersed.  Some say the heating    

:    process can cause a chemical change in the oils that may reduce the

:    aesthetic appeal of the oil and/or change the aromatherapuetic effect.

:        Lamp rings utilize the heat of a light bulb.  The lamp rings are

:    placed on the bulb and absorb heat that increases the activity of the 

:    oil that is dropped onto the pourous surface.  Some lamp rings are

:    made out of metal.

:        Copper Olive Oil lamps, similiarly utilize the burning flame of   

:    olive oil to heat a water reservoir in which a few drops of oil is 

:    placed.  Olive oil lamps are decorative in appeal and the flame helps

:    create a relaxing ambiance.

:    c.  Fine Mist Spray glassware is a low cost high quality method of

:    dispensing essential oils.  



: Our company, Liberty Natural Products distributes a variety of diffusers.

: Feel free to call us at 1-800-289-8427 or check out our web page under

: construction at http://www.teleport.com/~liberty/



: Hope this info was helpful.  Regards, Jim Dierking





:        





: 1.  Does the diffuser break the volatile oil into fine particulates for

:     dispersion into the air?

: 2.  Does the diffuser alter the oil in the process...eg by heating the

:     material or by coming in contact with materials that it might react

:     with.

: 3.  Does the duffuser make a noise, such as air pump based diffusers?



-- 

JoAnne Bassett                          Aromatherapy grade essential oils,

Certified Aromatherapist       >><<     blends, diffusers, floral waters,

joanne@eskimo.com              >><<     natural bodycare products, kits,

http://www.eskimo.com/~joanne  >><<     blending oils, books, etc.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aromatherapy Diffuser

From: joanne@eskimo.com (JoAnne Bassett)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 18:43:03 GMT



: Bassett Aromatherapy has 3 French professional models for sale.  They

: are electric diffusers with quiet air pumps.  Two have wood encased motors

: and the third is hand blown glass with a 3 foot cord that goes to the motor

: so the glass can be viewed as art and the motor is out of sight. 

: Email your snail mail address for catalog or see my Web page for 

: colored pictures of diffusers.  I am still completing my Web page. 

: Thank you, JoAnne



-- 

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Certified Aromatherapist       >><<     blends, diffusers, floral waters,

joanne@eskimo.com              >><<     natural bodycare products, kits,

http://www.eskimo.com/~joanne  >><<     blending oils, books, etc.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aromatherapy Diffuser

From: hellis@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()

Date: 26 May 1995 21:18:34 GMT



JoAnne Bassett (joanne@eskimo.com) wrote:

: : Bassett Aromatherapy has 3 French professional models for sale. 



: -- 

: JoAnne Bassett                          Aromatherapy grade essential oils,

: Certified Aromatherapist       >><<     blends, diffusers, floral waters,

: joanne@eskimo.com              >><<     natural bodycare products, kits,

: http://www.eskimo.com/~joanne  >><<     blending oils, books, etc.



I haven't had a chance to buy (or rent) a French professional model since 

my last visit to Montreal. Is this really allowed via the Internet?  8-)   





--

Stuart Hellis                        email: hellis@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

		              

Health 4 U Inc. (a Full-line Health Food Store)          



Any comments made are without the approval of my wife, and are strictly 

in jest.  (or is that ingested?)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aromatherapy Diffuser

From: iss@ripco.com (R.M.K.)

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 01:01:43 GMT



To: hellis@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()

Subject: Re: Aromatherapy Diffuser



hellis@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()  replied:



H>JoAnne Bassett (joanne@eskimo.com) wrote:

 >: : Bassett Aromatherapy has 3 French professional models for sale.



H>I haven't had a chance to buy (or rent) a French professional model since

 >my last visit to Montreal. Is this really allowed via the Internet?  8-)





small, pottery diffusers can be bought for 4 bucks...  I can't imagine

the need of a "French PROFESSIONAL model" unless you owned a bordello.!.



                          :-)



lest I summon the wrath of the anti-advertisement gods... I won't

mention the company that sells these... but you could order one at

800-223-1216.



Rob.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aromatherapy Diffuser

From: douglas.wiggins@nwcs.org (Douglas Wiggins)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:15:00 GMT



JB:: Bassett Aromatherapy has 3 French professional models for sale.  They

JB:: are electric diffusers with quiet air pumps.  Two have wood encased motors



Various essential oil suppliers have approached me about making

diffusers, but they are more work than I want to put into it while

I still have more work than I can do, otherwise. The only thing

that I have seen that I want to warn about is that one of the

models used brass fittings, so that the oil would pass over brass

on its way back to the reservoir - as you probably know, copper is

a catalyst which quickly ruins many essential oils (some

wholesalers even use stainless steel equipment, but I must assume

that it is a type of stainless which contains no copper, or they

would be having problems).



Another method of using diffusers is to use a squeeze-bulb. This is

especially the mode for those with bronchial problems, so that they

can use the diffuser as an inhaler.



  -Douglas Wiggins zoron@nwcs.org, Portland, Oregon

---

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==========

Subject: Chicken Pox

From: sarack@rpi.edu (Kathy Saraceno)

Date: 16 May 1995 17:00:03 GMT



Does anyone know if it is safe to use vitamin E on healing chicken pox?

And what else may be used ? They are in the scabbint to falling off stage..

(Sorry if this is gross....But we all know that it is an ugly virus...)





Thank you...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: preventing pregnancy?

From: Moonsinger <mcgeathj@eniac>

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 14:45:23 -0500





  Does anyone know of any herbs that PREVENT pegnancy?



  Moonsinger

  Let the flesh instruct the mind.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: batman@mb5000.anes.upmc.edu (Bill E Madden Jr.)

Date: 16 May 1995 20:29:39 GMT



Moonsinger (mcgeathj@eniac) wrote:



:   Does anyone know of any herbs that PREVENT pegnancy?



:   Moonsinger

:   Let the flesh instruct the mind.





Wheat, hops and barley, brewed together with water, fermented and drunk

in large quantities by the male.  In the event that he can stay awake,

it won't matter....



	Bill



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: eng4kjw@hibbs.vcu.edu (Kristy J. Wiland)

Date: 18 May 1995 14:25:50 -0400





 uh, thats a recipe for beer. pretty funny! of course, you can get

pregnate even if you are drunk!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: gr5@ElSegundoCA.ATTGIS.COM (Gary Rotter)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 15:00:06 GMT



> Moonsinger (mcgeathj@eniac) wrote:

> 

> :   Does anyone know of any herbs that PREVENT pegnancy?

> 



Onions and Garlic eaten in large quantities. :)



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Keith Higgs)

Date: 25 May 1995 08:06:39 -0400



gr5@ElSegundoCA.ATTGIS.COM (Gary Rotter) wrote: 

>> Moonsinger (mcgeathj@eniac) wrote: 

>>  

>> :   Does anyone know of any herbs that PREVENT pegnancy? 

>>  

> 

>Onions and Garlic eaten in large quantities. :) 

> 

 

Seriously, A strong tea brewed of pennyroyal will help.  Pennyroyal 

has been shown quite consistently to cause miscarriage (the earlier, 

the better would be my assumption). 

 

Keith 

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       prevalent.  Last seen in vicinity of Columbus, Ohio. 

       Sentimental value. Please e-mail if found. 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: oatstraw@twain.oit.umass.edu (ROBIN F HOWARD)

Date: 17 May 1995 14:35:59 GMT



Moonsinger (mcgeathj@eniac) wrote:



:   Does anyone know of any herbs that PREVENT pegnancy?



Wild carrot seed, as has already been mentioned, either 1 tsp. chewed 

(very well), or 10 drops of tincture.  You can either take rec. dose (if 

you have sex irregularly, time-wise that is) from the day after sex until 

your cycle begins, or 3 days preceding and 3 days after ovulation 

(assuming you know your body's signals).



Robin





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: us19243@vm.cc.latech.edu (Steve & Kay DeFreese)

Date: 17 May 1995 16:26:04 GMT



In article <3pd1kf$bot@nic.umass.edu>, oatstraw@twain.oit.umass.edu 

says...

>

>Moonsinger (mcgeathj@eniac) wrote:

>

>:   Does anyone know of any herbs that PREVENT pegnancy?

>

>Wild carrot seed, as has already been mentioned, either 1 tsp. chewed 

>(very well), or 10 drops of tincture.  You can either take rec. dose (if 

>you have sex irregularly, time-wise that is) from the day after sex 

until 

>your cycle begins, or 3 days preceding and 3 days after ovulation 

>(assuming you know your body's signals).

>

>Robin

>

Aren't you in the wrong newsgroup to be addressing this issue?  There is

one on health alernatives and one on herbal folklore.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: kolbe@pando.cxo.dec.com (The Goddess in Chains)

Date: 17 May 1995 22:25:33 GMT





Queen Ann's Lace has very tiny seeds that supposidly prevent pregnancy. I

read about this is an article in the Colorado Springs Gazatte Telegraph. I

do not remmember enough details to be of much use however. You may want to

try an herb shop and see if they have any references. A warning, like all

herbal remedies, anything that can stop a pregnancy may be dangerous to the

person taking it. "Natural" does not equal "safe". liesl

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 18 May 1995 05:20:54 GMT



Figuring out effectiveness statistics in birth control employs whole 

legions of epidemiologists and researchers.  Even supposing that folklore 

is correct (which it often isn't), an herb that prevents pregnancy may do 

so only 20% of the time or 50% of the time.  (note: the figures are made 

up; as far as I know, no herb has ever been studied in humans to get the 

kind of effectiveness statistics that are available on the Pill, condoms, 

etc.)  Also, many of the herbs to which folklore attributes contraceptive 

effects are really abortificants and not always effective at that.  I 

don't regard regularly inducing an abortion with herbs as a particularly 

natural process, despite the fact that herbs are involved.



Since an unwanted pregnancy is a very serious matter, I personally would 

*never* rely on herbal birth control.  Not to mention that most herbs 

have not been studied to determine if they can cause birth defects.  Even 

if you stop taking the herb as soon as you find out you are pregnant, 

there is a window of time where women often don't know they are 

pregnant.  Probably no birth defects form during the time that the 

fertilized egg is implanting into the uterine wall.  However, as soon as 

cell division starts, about 1 week after conception, the embryo is 

incredibly sensitive to all kinds of outside chemicals.  Often women 

don't know they are pregnant until well past the first week after conception.



Many women who do not wish to expose themselves to the chemicals in the 

Pill or to the uterine irritation and risks of an IUD have other 

alternatives.  Diaphragms and cervical caps are made of latex rubber 

(often from natural sources if that concerns you) and are fairly 

effective when used correctly and quite safe physically.  They are most 

effective when used with spermicidal creams which have been tested for 

many years for problems and which have come up clean.



Condoms are another alternative, again highly effective when used 

correctly.



Women who do not wish to use either method can successfully learn to 

detect when they ovulate and avoid intercourse at this time.  





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: Rod O'Connor <roconnor@gbrownc.on.ca>

Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 11:55:00 -0400



On 17 May 1995, ROBIN F HOWARD wrote:



> Moonsinger (mcgeathj@eniac) wrote:

> 

> :   Does anyone know of any herbs that PREVENT pegnancy?

> 



Of course birth control standby's work too.  Rhythm, Condoms, Pills, 

Abstinance (sp).  Dont' forget what Nancy Regan used to say, "just say 

no" of course that was after she smoked a joint with her psychic.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: gmericks@aol.com (Gmericks)

Date: 18 May 1995 22:31:00 -0400



Preventing pregnancy:  I read that if you eat papaya (the fruit) when you

are pregnant, you run the risk of miscarrying.  So, if you eat a papaya a

day...?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 19 May 95 15:46:00 EST



>

>  Does anyone know of any herbs that PREVENT pegnancy?

>

>  Moonsinger

>  Let the flesh instruct the mind.



I published a lengthy article on ancient contraceptives not too long ago.

It was fascinating to learn how earlier practices led to a good number of

advancements in the obstetric field.  However, I would caution you as to

their effectiveness.



There are several herbs which have been used to induce miscarriage....sort

of a "morning after" method.  But I'm not going to tell you about those...



You may be interested to know that diosogen, an agent extracted from the

mexican yam, is actually the starting material for the "pill."  It was used

for hundreds of years to control the reproductive cycle.



I'm not aware of any herbal contraceptive available, although perhaps one of

the medical professionals in this news group have.  Otherwise, why not put

in a call to an N.D., or even a midwife and ask them if such a formula is

available?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 21 May 1995 07:12:37 GMT



karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net wrote:

: You may be interested to know that diosogen, an agent extracted from the

: mexican yam, is actually the starting material for the "pill."  It was used

: for hundreds of years to control the reproductive cycle.



You'd better document this claim, because as far as I know diosogen was 

first extracted from wild yam in the late 1940s by a chemist for Searle 

corporation.  Where, oh where, has it been used for 'hundreds of years' 

given that wild yam is supposedly inedible?





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

Date: 20 May 1995 16:22:37 GMT





To my knowledge, there is no such thing as "herbal birth control."

However, if you suspect you are pregnant and are not beyond

9 weeks, you can drink a tea of Pennyroyal and Tansy to bring

on your period.  This tea should be drunk 3 times a day for

three days.  If nothing happens, STOP for three days, then 

resume for three more days.  If nothing happens again, STOP

for three more days and resume for three more days.  If

nothing happens after the third course of tea, STOP this

entirely and seek professional medical help.  You should

be using about a teaspoon of Penyyroyal and a teaspoon of

Tansy per cup of tea.

   I know that there are those out there who believe that

Pennyroyal is very dangerous, but I wish to point out

two facts: 1) i have used this recipe many times, as well

as given it to others and it has never caused any harm,

2) there is no documentation either in the USa or in the

UK for any deaths caused by Pennyroyal.

Bright Blessings,

Kamala

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 21 May 1995 07:09:47 GMT



Dana M. Gass (kamala@prairienet.org) wrote:

:    I know that there are those out there who believe that

: Pennyroyal is very dangerous, but I wish to point out

: two facts: 1) i have used this recipe many times, as well

: as given it to others and it has never caused any harm,

: 2) there is no documentation either in the USa or in the

: UK for any deaths caused by Pennyroyal.



It's true that tea made from pennyroyal *leaves* steeped in water has not 

caused any deaths.  However, deaths from pennyroyal *oil* are well 

documented.  In fact, the deaths almost got pennyroyal of all kinds 

pulled off the market in the US by the FDA.  This doesn't mean you shouldn't 

use the tea, but stay away from pennyroyal oil under all circumstances.



However, I'm much more concerned about your statements about tansy.  

According to Varro Tyler (who is either loved or despised by people on 

this newsgroup; take your pick) tansy contains thujone, a 'relatively 

toxic compound capable of inducing both convulsions and psychotic effects 

in humans."  He thinks that tansy is much too dangerous to use as an 

abortifacient, and given the safety of first trimester suction abortion, 

I agree with him.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: amaclir@unibase.unibase.com (Aine Maclir)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 03:41:40 GMT



kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass) wrote:



>To my knowledge, there is no such thing as "herbal birth control."

>However, if you suspect you are pregnant and are not beyond

>9 weeks, you can drink a tea of Pennyroyal and Tansy to bring

>on your period.  This tea should be drunk 3 times a day for

>three days.  If nothing happens, STOP for three days, then 

>resume for three more days.  If nothing happens again, STOP

>for three more days and resume for three more days.  If

>nothing happens after the third course of tea, STOP this

>entirely and seek professional medical help.  You should

>be using about a teaspoon of Penyyroyal and a teaspoon of

>Tansy per cup of tea.

>   I know that there are those out there who believe that

>Pennyroyal is very dangerous, but I wish to point out

>two facts: 1) i have used this recipe many times, as well

>as given it to others and it has never caused any harm,

>2) there is no documentation either in the USa or in the

>UK for any deaths caused by Pennyroyal.



Perhaps not, but Tansy can be toxic even when applied externally and

an overdose could be fatal, according to John Lust's The Herb Book.

This source states under preparation and dosage:  "Except in

emergencies, use tansy only under medical supervision."  I don't think

anyone here would consider the induction of an abortion to be an

emergency.  Even if the pregnancy were life-threatening, there are

safer alternatives available from the medical profession than this.



Just because no one you have given this to has suffered any harm,

doesn't mean it could never happen.  What degrees or training qualify

you to dispense dosage amounts to someone you've never met?  No

medical doctor would do this.  The person requesting this information

could be a young teenage girl for all you know and such a dosage could

be excessive for her.  



I also have to question your wisdom in publicly posting a recipe for

an abortion tea.  It would have been better to send this via e-mail,

if at all.  And this person asked for advice to prevent pregnancy, not

terminate it.  To suggest how to terminate a pregnancy like this was

not only irresponsible considering the number of people who have

access to this forum, but unnecessary in this case.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: scorcora@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Staci Corcoran)

Date: 20 May 1995 21:38:12 GMT



Um, ok, just thought I'd point out two things.  



#1:  Queen Annes Lace _is_ Wild Carrot.



#2: To the person who thought the recipe for beer was such a joke.  The 

recipe was for the _man_.  It would most likely be effective, since the 

vast majority of drunken men have trouble keeping an erection.



And my question is:  Would Wild Carrot Seed work the same for someone 

who, for example, might have forgotten a birth control pill?  Or would 

the two combine and cause problems?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 23 May 95 22:52:03 PST



In message ID <3pl50d$e9r@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> on 5/20/95, Dana M. Gass

<kamala@prairienet.org> wrote:



: To my knowledge, there is no such thing as "herbal birth control."

: However, if you suspect you are pregnant and are not beyond

: 9 weeks, you can drink a tea of Pennyroyal and Tansy to bring

: on your period.  This tea should be drunk 3 times a day for

: three days.  If nothing happens, STOP for three days, then 

: resume for three more days.  If nothing happens again, STOP

: for three more days and resume for three more days.  If

: nothing happens after the third course of tea, STOP this

: entirely and seek professional medical help.  You should

: be using about a teaspoon of Penyyroyal and a teaspoon of

: Tansy per cup of tea.

:    I know that there are those out there who believe that

: Pennyroyal is very dangerous, but I wish to point out

: two facts: 1) i have used this recipe many times, as well

: as given it to others and it has never caused any harm,

: 2) there is no documentation either in the USa or in the

: UK for any deaths caused by Pennyroyal.

: Bright Blessings,

: Kamala



I disagree. Pennyroyal presents three substantial problems. One is that it can

make a person very sick, and can put you in the hospital. It does that every

year (Tierra says there have been fatalities, and I think that is probably

true). Two is that once you start you have committed yourself to abortion,

because you're going to get birth defects. Three, you never know when it's going

to work or if it has worked, and you suffer for weeks wondering, and then go out

and get the therapeutic abortion anyhow.



In my practice I commonly recommend the therapeutic abortion to begin with. Why?

Because it is not particularly dangerous or harmful, especially if herbals are

used as an adjunct; because it is specific and certain: you get your date, go

in, and come out, done. It is no substitute for contraception, but it is

substantially less suffering than herbal abortions, and vastly safer than toxic

essential oils.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: kamala@prairienet.org

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: Cori <heron@mars.superlink.net>

Date: 27 May 1995 17:42:33 GMT





Hi,

I used a variation on the tea Kamala recommends.  It consisted of 

pennyroyal, black cohosh, blue cohosh, and mugwort.  I don't remember 

the proportions so do consult an herbalist before trying to make it up 

yourself.  



It tasted terrible, but it did bring on my late period.  If I WAS 

pregnant I don't know, but the preparation didn't make me sick and at 

the time I was travelling to Canada by sleeper train.



Just one woman's experience!



Cori





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: lecker@mcs.com (Lawrence/Sharon Eckerling)

Date: 29 May 1995 19:16:40 GMT



In article <3q7oa9$6v1@earth.superlink.net>, Cori

<heron@mars.superlink.net> wrote:



> Hi,

> I used a variation on the tea Kamala recommends.  It consisted of 

> pennyroyal, black cohosh, blue cohosh, and mugwort.  I don't remember 

> the proportions so do consult an herbalist before trying to make it up 

> yourself.  

> 

> It tasted terrible, but it did bring on my late period.  If I WAS 

> pregnant I don't know, but the preparation didn't make me sick and at 

> the time I was travelling to Canada by sleeper train.

> 

> Just one woman's experience!

> 

> Cori





Dear Cori,





Pennyroyal can kill you and black cohosh and blue cohosh can also be

poisonous in large dosages.  Please be careful out there.



Goddess Bless You,



Sharon





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: aj982@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kerry Eady)

Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 05:09:05 GMT



Lawrence/Sharon Eckerling (lecker@mcs.com) writes:

> 

> Pennyroyal can kill you and black cohosh and blue cohosh can also be

> poisonous in large dosages.  Please be careful out there.





I've always understood that pennyroyal *oil* was dangerous but the dried

herb in a normal *tea* strength is a great herb for use with severe

menstrual cramps.  It shouldn't be used in pregnancy, but those of us who

really suffer when we have our moon see it as an ally.



Kerr



--

Yours Truly: Young Fast & Female.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing pregnancy?

From: cbg002@mail.connect.more.net (Michael Salmons)

Date: 31 May 1995 13:41:54 GMT



In article <3q7oa9$6v1@earth.superlink.net>, heron@mars.superlink.net 

says...

>

>

>Hi,

>I used a variation on the tea Kamala recommends.  It consisted of 

>pennyroyal, black cohosh, blue cohosh, and mugwort.  I don't remember 

>the proportions so do consult an herbalist before trying to make it up 

>yourself.  



I can't find the original post of which you speak. Could someone 

(Kamala?) repost it, please?



Thanks!



Michael





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mead Recipe?

From: johnna@unixg.ubc.ca (Johnna E Fisher)

Date: 16 May 1995 22:09:50 GMT



I used to have a wonderful recipe for Mead supplied by the SCA (Society for 

Creative Anachronism, a Medieval group), but I recently moved across the 

country and have misplaced it.  Could you please pass along any Mead 

recipes you might have?  I'd really appreciate it.  Thanks so much.



Johnna

johnna@unixg.ubc.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mead Recipe?

From: bo869@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Carlene Paquette)

Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 18:06:09 GMT



Johnna E Fisher (johnna@unixg.ubc.ca) writes:

> I used to have a wonderful recipe for Mead supplied by the SCA (Society for 

> Creative Anachronism, a Medieval group), but I recently moved across the 

> country and have misplaced it.  Could you please pass along any Mead 

> recipes you might have?  I'd really appreciate it.  Thanks so much.

> 

> Johnna

> johnna@unixg.ubc.ca



Hi - If you have web access you could try checking out

http://www.atd.ucar.edu/rdp/gfc/mead/mead.html - they have mead recipes

there.  If I've typed the URL wrong a pointer to that site can also be

found on http://lager.geo.brown.edu:8080/virtual-pub - this site also

discusses beer in general.  



Hope this helps!



Carlene

--

"I'm thinking of the immortal words of Socrates who said...  

       'I drank what?'" - from "Real Genius"

Carlene Paquette - Now Employed Geographer at Large - Ottawa, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Crataegus herbs, carcinogens, and Bojenmi tea

From: Presser@netaxs.com (Daniel Dorff)

Date: 17 May 1995 00:41:31 GMT



A friend of mine who's an open-to-alternatives medical student at Harvard 

read the label of my Bojenmi tea and pointed out that the 1st ingredient

(not the main one, just the first listed) may be carcinogenic.



On many boxes, the 1st ingredient is "Fructus Crataegi," and on the cans

the 1st ingredient is "Crataegus Pinnatifida."  My medical friend cites a

1994 study (An Evaluation of 55 Commercial Plant Extracts in the Ames 

Mutagenicity Test) published in a journal called Pharmazie, which says

that "Crataegi" extract has "moderate mutagenic potential," meaning that

something in the extract caused a high rate of genetic mutations in bacteria

in a context extrapolatable to humans.



Does anyone know more about this type of herb, or this Ames test?



Thanks!





Daniel Dorff





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Crataegus herbs, carcinogens, and Bojenmi tea

From: tkeenan@uoguelph.ca (Timothy J Keenan)

Date: 17 May 1995 17:36:04 GMT



Daniel Dorff (Presser@netaxs.com) queried:



: On many boxes, the 1st ingredient is "Fructus Crataegi," and on the cans

: the 1st ingredient is "Crataegus Pinnatifida."  My medical friend cites a

: 1994 study (An Evaluation of 55 Commercial Plant Extracts in the Ames 

: Mutagenicity Test) published in a journal called Pharmazie, which says

: that "Crataegi" extract has "moderate mutagenic potential," meaning that

: something in the extract caused a high rate of genetic mutations in bacteria

: in a context extrapolatable to humans.



I am as leary as the next guy about possible harm from supposedly benign 

plant substances, but many, if not most, of the plants we eat contain 

items which are toxic and/or mutagenic in concentrated amounts.



I am not a(n?) herbalist, but I presume (being a former latin scholar and 

a present botanist) that "fructus Crataegi" means "fruit of Crataegus".  

Crataegus is a genus in the rose family, which is widespread in eastern 

North America.  It looks like a crabapple tree with thorns, and the 

small, sour, somewhat bitter, apple-like  fruits were used for food by 

Algonkian-speaking people of the Great Lakes regions (in fact I believe 

that there was a group on Manitoulin Island who called themselves 

"Haw-eaters"). (Oh, I forgot to mention that the common name is Hawthorn).



I am not familiar with the particular species mentioned, but I presume it 

is European.



 -- Tim Keenan



Cliff Ecology Research Group

Botany Department

University of Guelph

Guelph, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Crataegus herbs, carcinogens, and Bojenmi tea

From: netkid@netcom.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 14:56:45 GMT



In <3pbgnr$aku@netaxs.com>, Presser@netaxs.com (Daniel Dorff) writes:

>A friend of mine who's an open-to-alternatives medical student at Harvard 

>read the label of my Bojenmi tea and pointed out that the 1st ingredient

>(not the main one, just the first listed) may be carcinogenic.

>

>On many boxes, the 1st ingredient is "Fructus Crataegi," and on the cans

>the 1st ingredient is "Crataegus Pinnatifida."  My medical friend cites a

>1994 study (An Evaluation of 55 Commercial Plant Extracts in the Ames 

>Mutagenicity Test) published in a journal called Pharmazie, which says

>that "Crataegi" extract has "moderate mutagenic potential," meaning that

>something in the extract caused a high rate of genetic mutations in bacteria

>in a context extrapolatable to humans.

>

>Does anyone know more about this type of herb, or this Ames test?

>

>Thanks!

>

>

>Daniel Dorff



Scientific name: Crataegus pinnatifida, Pharmaceutical name: Fructus Crataegi, 

Common name: Chinese hawthorn.  It's a red fruit used to aid digestion, treat 

fatty liver, and reduce blood fat.  Source 'Legendary Chinese Healing Herbs', 

Henry C. Lu, Sterling Publishing Co. New York, 1991, ISBN 0-8069-8230-6.

--- 

Jim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Crataegus herbs, carcinogens, and Bojenmi tea

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: 19 May 1995 07:47:45 +0100



>

>Does anyone know more about this type of herb, or this Ames test?



The Ames test cultures mutations of bugs (usually Salmonella spp) that are

unable to grow without the amino acid  histidine and adds suspected

mutagens to the culture medium (after incubating them with liver extract to

expose them to lysosymal activty).  If the bugs then grow, the mutation is

deemed to have reversed ( ie they now synthesise histidine) and the test

substance is regarded as (ultimately) mutagenic. It is the case that the

majority of known chemical carcinogens are also mutagens according to the

Ames Test.



The problem is that also according to the Ames Test the prevalence of

environmental mutagens is so high that the human population should long ago

have been wiped out by cancer if the extrapolations were correct.(The

extraplations being histidine gene mutagenicity equals ultimate

carcinogenic action, and salmonella bugs equals people) This is of course

acknowleged by pathologists - but seems not to be understood  understood by

the rank and file scare mongerors who like to appear to be *scientific* in

their attacks on herbalism.



The Ames Test has been touted on this list by people who know nothing about

herbal medicine, and not very much about orthodox pathology, as some sort

of definitive proof of carcinogenic or teratogenic activity of medicinal

plants. Please refer to my long post on side effects for further discussion

of this position - meanwhile ask your so called open to alternatives

medical student friend to tell you how many food additives are Ames

positive, or, if you want to be more provocative,  how many people die

every year due to prescription pharmaceuticals etc etc  before taking his

actually not very open minded views about Hawthorne, which is a plant that

has been used medicinally for centuries in Oriental and Western medicine,

quite so seriously. You can read about Crataegus in most herb reference

texts.



Having suffered an orthodox medical training myself, and worked for a year

at the same Harvard medical Skool, I suspect your pal is going to have to

make a leap or two yet before they can claim to be open minded about

alternatives - first they have to learn how  to be critical of their own

subject.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Crataegus herbs, carcinogens, and Bojenmi tea

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sharon Rust)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 23:16:07 -0700



In article <ABE1FE5E96684548@jonno.demon.co.uk>,

jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure) wrote:



> >

> >Does anyone know more about this type of herb, or this Ames test?

> 

> The Ames test cultures mutations of bugs (usually Salmonella spp) that are

> unable to grow without the amino acid  histidine and adds suspected

> mutagens to the culture medium (after incubating them with liver extract to

> expose them to lysosymal activty).  If the bugs then grow, the mutation is

> deemed to have reversed ( ie they now synthesise histidine) and the test

> substance is regarded as (ultimately) mutagenic. It is the case that the

> majority of known chemical carcinogens are also mutagens according to the

> Ames Test.

> 

> The problem is that also according to the Ames Test the prevalence of

> environmental mutagens is so high that the human population should long ago

> have been wiped out by cancer if the extrapolations were correct.(The

> extraplations being histidine gene mutagenicity equals ultimate

> carcinogenic action, and salmonella bugs equals people) This is of course

> acknowleged by pathologists - but seems not to be understood  understood by

> the rank and file scare mongerors who like to appear to be *scientific* in

> their attacks on herbalism.

> 

> The Ames Test has been touted on this list by people who know nothing about

> herbal medicine, and not very much about orthodox pathology, as some sort

> of definitive proof of carcinogenic or teratogenic activity of medicinal

> plants. Please refer to my long post on side effects for further discussion

> of this position - meanwhile ask your so called open to alternatives

> medical student friend to tell you how many food additives are Ames

> positive, or, if you want to be more provocative,  how many people die

> every year due to prescription pharmaceuticals etc etc  before taking his

> actually not very open minded views about Hawthorne, which is a plant that

> has been used medicinally for centuries in Oriental and Western medicine,

> quite so seriously. You can read about Crataegus in most herb reference

> texts.

> 

> Having suffered an orthodox medical training myself, and worked for a year

> at the same Harvard medical Skool, I suspect your pal is going to have to

> make a leap or two yet before they can claim to be open minded about

> alternatives - first they have to learn how  to be critical of their own

> subject.





                        In addition where did these extracts come from?

Were these fruits from heavily sprayed trees? And/ Or from fumagation

being brought in?     Crataegus is part of the rose family and as such

shares company with apples and pears and other etible fruits, perhaps we

have already mutated from eating these things  : )      Yes now we have 

thumbs to pick with and ladders to climb : ) Sharon





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Crataegus herbs, carcinogens, and Bojenmi tea

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 20 May 95 13:32:54 PST



In message ID <3pbgnr$aku@netaxs.com> on 5/16/95, Daniel Dorff

<Presser@netaxs.com> wrote:



: A friend of mine who's an open-to-alternatives medical student at

: Harvard  read the label of my Bojenmi tea and pointed out that the

: 1st ingredient (not the main one, just the first listed) may be

: carcinogenic.

: 

: On many boxes, the 1st ingredient is "Fructus Crataegi," and on the cans

: the 1st ingredient is "Crataegus Pinnatifida."  My medical friend cites a

: 1994 study (An Evaluation of 55 Commercial Plant Extracts in the

: Ames  Mutagenicity Test) published in a journal called Pharmazie,

: which says that "Crataegi" extract has "moderate mutagenic

: potential," meaning that something in the extract caused a high rate

: of genetic mutations in bacteria in a context extrapolatable to humans.

: 

: Does anyone know more about this type of herb, or this Ames test?

: 

: Thanks!

: 

: 

: Daniel Dorff



FAQ material. This comes around every so often. Hawthorn berries have been used

for a long time, and the fact that it may disturb the function of some bacteria

means essentially NOTHING.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Evening Primrose Oil

From: klugl@explorer.sasknet.sk.ca (linda klughart)

Date: 16 May 1995 18:53:42 -0600



Hello,  

 

I was wondering if any of you have heard about Evening Primrose Oil or

Borage oil... I understand it is the GLC that does the good. I have been

taking it for arthritis and seem to be having a lot of success with it. 

Apart from heresay, I haven't heard anything about it, about why it works,

or if the effects are longterm, or how long one needs to take it. 

 

Can anyone give me some facts about it? 

 

Thanks 

-- 

klugl@sasknet.sk.ca 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti)

Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 15:19:50 AST



On 16 May 1995 18:53:42 -0600,  klugl@explorer.sasknet.sk.ca writes:



A little something found laying around a health food store



                           EVENING PRIMROSE OIL



+----------------------------+    +-------------------------------------+

|  Evening Primrose oil is   |    |   The more GLA in the Evenening     |

|  rich in an essential      |    |   Primrose Oil supplements, the     |

|  fatty acid called Gamma   |    |   more effective it is              |

|  Linolenic Acid (GLA)      |    +-------------------------------------+

+----------------------------+



+----------------------------+    +--------------------------------------+

|  GLA is converted in the   |    |   The presence of Alpha              |

|  body to prostaglandins    |    |   Linolenic Acid INHIBITS the        |

+----------------------------+    |   Utilization of GLA                 |

                                  +--------------------------------------+

+----------------------------+

|  Prostaglandins are short  |

|  lived hormone like        |    +-------------------------------------+

|  substances                |    | Clinical trials have found optimum  |

+----------------------------+    | levels of supplementation for       |

                                  | Conditions:                         |

                                  |                                     |

+----------------------------+    |                                     |

|  THE  PROSTAGLANDINS :     |    | PMS            3-5 x 500 mg daily   |

|                            |    |                                     |

|  Can help in the managment |    | ECZEMA         3-5 x 500 mg daily   |

|  of   Rheumatoid Arthritis |    |                                     |

|                            |    | HEART DISEASE  4-6 x 500 mg daily   |

| Reduce the symptoms of PMS |    |                                     |

|                            |    | MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS 6-8 x 500 mg dly |

| Reduce Asthma and Eczema   |    |                                     |

|                            |    | ALCOHOL        3-5 x 500 mg daily   |

|  Reduce   hyperactivity    |    |                                     |

|  in   children             |    |                                     |

|                            |    | RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS 4-6 x 500 mg d.|

|  Reduce symptoms of        |    |                                     |

|  Multiple  sclerosis       |    +-------------------------------------+

|                            |

|  Reduce  risk  of          |

|   Heart    disease         |

|                            |

|  Strengthens   nails       |

|                            |  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

|  May help alchoholics      | * +--------------------------------------+ *

|  overcome brain/liver cell | * | To aid the conversion of essential   | *

|  damage.                   | * | fatty acids to prostoglandins, the   | *

+----------------------------+ * | following Vitamins and Minerals      | *

                               * | are needed                           | *

                               * |                                      | *

+----------------------------+ * |  Vit. C,  B6, Niacin, Magnesium      | *

|Vitamin E should be present | * |  Zinc, Selenium                      | *

|   in Evening Primrose Oil  | * +--------------------------------------+ *

|   supplements to prevent   |  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

|   oxidation of the oils    |   

+----------------------------+   

                                 

                                 

***NOTE**   Different   brand    names   may   have   varying   results 

  based    on    method    of    extraction  (cold press or hexane) *******

                                                                           



   F O R   P R O F E S S I O N A L      U S E     O N L Y                                                             



>Hello,  

>I was wondering if any of you have heard about Evening Primrose Oil or

>Borage oil... I understand it is the GLC that does the good. I have been

>taking it for arthritis and seem to be having a lot of success with it. 

>Apart from heresay, I haven't heard anything about it, about why it works,

>or if the effects are longterm, or how long one needs to take it. 

>Can anyone give me some facts about it? 

>Thanks 

>klugl@sasknet.sk.ca 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 17 May 1995 06:39:43 -0700



linda klughart (klugl@explorer.sasknet.sk.ca) wrote:

: Hello,  

:  

: I was wondering if any of you have heard about Evening Primrose Oil or

: Borage oil... I understand it is the GLC that does the good. I have been

: taking it for arthritis and seem to be having a lot of success with it. 

: Apart from heresay, I haven't heard anything about it, about why it works,

: or if the effects are longterm, or how long one needs to take it. 

:  

: Can anyone give me some facts about it? 

:  

: Thanks



According to _Earl Mindell's Herb Bible_:



Evening primrose oil is recommended for relieving symptoms of PMS,

as an antianxiety agent, helps to reduce cholesterol levels, and to

maintain healthy skin.  It can be taken long-term; the book recommends

taking 250 mg up to 3 times a day.  For PMS, take the oil for a period

from roughly 2-3 days before symptoms usually appear until the onset

of menstruation.



-j

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: tyfellows@aol.com (TyFellows)

Date: 17 May 1995 23:03:32 GMT



EPO is about 9% GLA.  Borage is much higher.  There is a lot of

mis-understanding on fats/oils.   There is a lot more to this

then can be said here.



There is a *great* book called "Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill" by

Udo Erasmus 1993.  About $24.  This will let you know about

fats/oils (EPO, Borage, Flax, Sunflower, and lots of others). 

Talks in detail about the effects on the body.  The book is easy to read, 

though about 400 pages.



There is also a good book on arthritis.  But is diet related, 

so you have to be willing to modify your diet to go with 

this method.  Does seem to work.  If interested, mail me and 

I will send you the title/author.



In article <3pbhem$p6h@explorer.sasknet.sk.ca>,

klugl@explorer.sasknet.sk.ca (linda klughart) wrote:



> Hello,  

>  

> I was wondering if any of you have heard about Evening Primrose Oil or

> Borage oil... I understand it is the GLC that does the good. I have been

> taking it for arthritis and seem to be having a lot of success with it. 

> Apart from heresay, I haven't heard anything about it, about why it works,

> or if the effects are longterm, or how long one needs to take it. 

>  

> Can anyone give me some facts about it? 

>  

> Thanks 

> -- 

> klugl@sasknet.sk.ca



-- 

Have a hoot!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: bwind@BIX.com (bwind on BIX)

Date: 19 May 95 08:36:44 GMT



Udo's book is great for anyone having any questions on fats and diets.

Whether you are using a no, low, medium, or high fat diet, the book

will give you a good basis for determining how to use fats properly.



Brian





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: ALEV56A@prodigy.com (Jeffrey King)

Date: 18 May 1995 15:23:55 GMT



cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti) wrote:

>

>On 16 May 1995 18:53:42 -0600,  klugl@explorer.sasknet.sk.ca writes:

>

>A little something found laying around a health food store

>

>                           EVENING PRIMROSE OIL

>

>

>+----------------------------+    +-------------------------------------

+

>|  Evening Primrose oil is   |    |   The more GLA in the Evenening     

|

>|  rich in an essential      |    |   Primrose Oil supplements, the     

|

>|  fatty acid called Gamma   |    |   more effective it is              

|

>|  Linolenic Acid (GLA)      |    +-------------------------------------

+

>+----------------------------+

>

>+----------------------------+    +--------------------------------------

+

>|  GLA is converted in the   |    |   The presence of Alpha              

|

>|  body to prostaglandins    |    |   Linolenic Acid INHIBITS the        

|

>+----------------------------+    |   Utilization of GLA                 

|

>                                  +--------------------------------------

+

>+----------------------------+

>|  Prostaglandins are short  |

>|  lived hormone like        |    +-------------------------------------

+

>|  substances                |    | Clinical trials have found optimum  

|

>+-





      Prostaglandins have a number of different functions in the body.  

They are made via the arachadonic acid pathway, which branches to produce 

two families of prostaglandins.  One group actually causes inflammation, 

such as the joint inflammation of arthritis, while the other group has 

protective effects (eg. protecting the stomach lining from acid).  EPO 

acts as a precursor to the "good prostaglandin" pathway, shifting 

production toward the protective and away from the inflammatory 

prostaglandins.  Prostaglandins also play a big role in uterine 

contraction, hence the effect on PMS.





-Insert witty footer here...



  JEFFREY KING  ALEV56A@prodigy.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sharon Rust)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 23:03:30 -0700



    

> >|  fatty acid called Gamma  

> >|  Linolenic Acid (GLA)      |  

> +

> >|  GLA is converted in the   |    |   The presence of Alpha              

> |

> >|  body to prostaglandins    |    |   Linolenic Acid INHIBITS the        

> |

> 

>       Prostaglandins have a number of different functions in the body.  

> They are made via the arachadonic acid pathway, which branches to produce 

> two families of prostaglandins.  One group actually causes inflammation, 

> such as the joint inflammation of arthritis, while the other group has 

> protective effects (eg. protecting the stomach lining from acid).  EPO 

> acts as a precursor to the "good prostaglandin" pathway, shifting 

> production toward the protective and away from the inflammatory 

> prostaglandins.  Prostaglandins also play a big role in uterine 

> contraction, hence the effect on PMS.

>   JEFFREY KING  ALEV56A@prodigy.com



                 Jeffery and Tom, I thought that essential fatty acids did

more in the body than produce prostaglandins, I thought that ESSENTIAL

FATTY ACID meant just that, in order to utilize fats and  carry on body

functions you need to eat the essential fatty acids; linoleic,

arachidonic, and linolenic,( these are unsaturated fatty acids)   GLA  is

in breastmilk and  is different than linolenic acid  it is at an already

performed body level( ready to be used by the body in stead of being

converted). Some people cannot convert LA into GLA.   Lots of times people

do not need to supplement with GLA, but they do need to be eating the

essential fatty acids . People are getting saturated fatty acids or 

oxidized oils, or hydrogenated oils, or oils with solvents in them all of

these lend to disfunction or a deficiency in the essential fatty acids. 

With the FAT-FREE trend I have seen more kids with eczema.  Some of the

kids and their moms have cleared up with the addition of extra virgin

olive oil or safflower oil to their diets maybe just a teaspoon as part of

some salad dressing a few times a week.  The Evening primrose oil works as

well and probably acts quicker but it very expensive, and it seams it is

just a dietary flaw for most.   Sharon Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 18:30:59 AST



On Mon, 22 May 1995 23:03:30 -0700,  ntlor@primenet.com writes:

>

>    

>> >|  fatty acid called Gamma  

>> >|  Linolenic Acid (GLA)      |  

>> +

>> >|  GLA is converted in the   |    |   The presence of Alpha              

>> |

>> >|  body to prostaglandins    |    |   Linolenic Acid INHIBITS the        

>> |

>> 

>>       Prostaglandins have a number of different functions in the body.  

>> They are made via the arachadonic acid pathway, which branches to produce 

>> two families of prostaglandins.  One group actually causes inflammation, 

>> such as the joint inflammation of arthritis, while the other group has 

>> protective effects (eg. protecting the stomach lining from acid).  EPO 

>> acts as a precursor to the "good prostaglandin" pathway, shifting 

>> production toward the protective and away from the inflammatory 

>> prostaglandins.  Prostaglandins also play a big role in uterine 

>> contraction, hence the effect on PMS.

>>   JEFFREY KING  ALEV56A@prodigy.com

>

>                 Jeffery and Tom, I thought that essential fatty acids did

>more in the body than produce prostaglandins, I thought that ESSENTIAL

>FATTY ACID meant just that, in order to utilize fats and  carry on body

>functions you need to eat the essential fatty acids; linoleic,

>arachidonic, and linolenic,( these are unsaturated fatty acids)   GLA  is

>in breastmilk and  is different than linolenic acid  it is at an already

>performed body level( ready to be used by the body in stead of being

>converted). Some people cannot convert LA into GLA.   Lots of times people

>do not need to supplement with GLA, but they do need to be eating the

>essential fatty acids . People are getting saturated fatty acids or 

>oxidized oils, or hydrogenated oils, or oils with solvents in them all of

>these lend to disfunction or a deficiency in the essential fatty acids. 

>With the FAT-FREE trend I have seen more kids with eczema.  Some of the

>kids and their moms have cleared up with the addition of extra virgin

>olive oil or safflower oil to their diets maybe just a teaspoon as part of

>some salad dressing a few times a week.  The Evening primrose oil works as

>well and probably acts quicker but it very expensive, and it seams it is

>just a dietary flaw for most.   Sharon Rust



That is a very interesting observation and has a couple of side issues;



-we don't get enough from where we used to get it  from



-our bodies need more than we can get from a normal diet for some reason



- their may be something in the diet that is neutralizing whatever we do get



It is very interesting in how many remedial measures it is recommended; one

would assume that given it's large sales base that people are getting some

benefit from it....looks like another mystery.



tom c.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: dbrowndc@cts.com (David Brown)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 18:30:17 GMT



cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti) wrote:

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>From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti)

>Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

>Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

>Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 18:30:59 AST

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>

>On Mon, 22 May 1995 23:03:30 -0700,  ntlor@primenet.com writes:

>>

>>

>>> >|  fatty acid called Gamma

>>> >|  Linolenic Acid (GLA)      |

>>> +

>>> >|  GLA is converted in the   |    |   The presence of Alpha

>>> |

>>> >|  body to prostaglandins    |    |   Linolenic Acid INHIBITS the

>>> |

>>>

>>>       Prostaglandins have a number of different functions in the body.

>>> They are made via the arachadonic acid pathway, which branches to produce

>>> two families of prostaglandins.  One group actually causes inflammation,

>>> such as the joint inflammation of arthritis, while the other group has

>>> protective effects (eg. protecting the stomach lining from acid).  EPO

>>> acts as a precursor to the "good prostaglandin" pathway, shifting

>>> production toward the protective and away from the inflammatory

>>> prostaglandins.  Prostaglandins also play a big role in uterine

>>> contraction, hence the effect on PMS.

>>>   JEFFREY KING  ALEV56A@prodigy.com

>>

>>                 Jeffery and Tom, I thought that essential fatty acids did

>>more in the body than produce prostaglandins, I thought that ESSENTIAL

>>FATTY ACID meant just that, in order to utilize fats and  carry on body

>>functions you need to eat the essential fatty acids; linoleic,

>>arachidonic, and linolenic,( these are unsaturated fatty acids)   GLA  is

>>in breastmilk and  is different than linolenic acid  it is at an already

>>performed body level( ready to be used by the body in stead of being

>>converted). Some people cannot convert LA into GLA.   Lots of times people

>>do not need to supplement with GLA, but they do need to be eating the

>>essential fatty acids . People are getting saturated fatty acids or

>>oxidized oils, or hydrogenated oils, or oils with solvents in them all of

>>these lend to disfunction or a deficiency in the essential fatty acids.

>>With the FAT-FREE trend I have seen more kids with eczema.  Some of the

>>kids and their moms have cleared up with the addition of extra virgin

>>olive oil or safflower oil to their diets maybe just a teaspoon as part of

>>some salad dressing a few times a week.  The Evening primrose oil works as

>>well and probably acts quicker but it very expensive, and it seams it is

>>just a dietary flaw for most.   Sharon Rust

>

>That is a very interesting observation and has a couple of side issues;

>

>-we don't get enough from where we used to get it  from

>

>-our bodies need more than we can get from a normal diet for some reason

>

>- their may be something in the diet that is neutralizing whatever we do get

>

>It is very interesting in how many remedial measures it is recommended; one

>would assume that given it's large sales base that people are getting some

>benefit from it....looks like another mystery.

>

>tom c.



I attended a very good lecture on the subject last night.  The well informed speaker

(who was employed by Gaia Herbs) mentioned that the usual pathway for

vegetable oils is blocked in many people who have a lack of Delta6 Desaturase enzyme

The fats get shunted therfore into the arachidonic acid pathway, leading to excessive

PG2==>inflammatory reaction.  He suggested that for those who have allergies and

inflammatory conditions to avoid soybean oil, corn oil, safflower, or even cannola!

Of course, meats/dairy/and shellfish fats go directly to PG2.



The Omega3 oils all go directly to PG1 (the good stuff).  They are borage oil, black

current oil and flax seed oil.  (Don't ask me what you cook with now...).



Furthermore, the botonical solution to inflammatory conditions include adding more

bioflavonoids to the diet.

1. Corcumin:  Found in very large quanities in tumeric

2. Quercetin: Found in yellow onion skins and oak bark

3. Catechin:  Found in Green Tea and (thank God) Merlot wine



Tumeric, the most anti-inflammatiory substance in nature.  Stabilizes mast cells and

supplies delta6 desaturase enzyme as well as potentiates the cortical steroid

receptors.  30-40 drops of liquid extract tid (three times per day)



Green Tea (camillia .....)(sp), 2-4 cups/day (1t per cup)



There was more, but it was more related to other prongs of treatment for allergies.



Thanks for all your input.



David





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti)

Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:09:48 AST



On Wed, 24 May 1995 18:30:17 GMT,  dbrowndc@cts.com writes:

 The well informed speaker

>(who was employed by Gaia Herbs) mentioned that the usual pathway for

>vegetable oils is blocked in many people who have a lack of Delta6 Desaturase enzyme

>The fats get shunted therfore into the arachidonic acid pathway, leading to excessive

>PG2==>inflammatory reaction.  He suggested that for those who have allergies and

>inflammatory conditions to avoid soybean oil, corn oil, safflower, or even cannola!

>Of course, meats/dairy/and shellfish fats go directly to PG2.



Dave or all



I have bin playing with this negation theory for quite a while, it made alot

of sense but couldn't get a handle on it.



Any idea on what causes the Delta6 Desaturase deficiency ????



thanx- tom c.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sharon Rust)

Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:40:16 -0700



In article <950525170948.D50913@news.nbnet.nb.ca>, cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca

(Tom Cigolotti) wrote:



> On Wed, 24 May 1995 18:30:17 GMT,  dbrowndc@cts.com writes:

>  The well informed speaker

> >(who was employed by Gaia Herbs) mentioned that the usual pathway for

> >vegetable oils is blocked in many people who have a lack of Delta6

Desaturase enzyme

> >The fats get shunted therfore into the arachidonic acid pathway,

leading to excessive

> >PG2==>inflammatory reaction.  He suggested that for those who have

allergies and

> >inflammatory conditions to avoid soybean oil, corn oil, safflower, or

even cannola!

> >Of course, meats/dairy/and shellfish fats go directly to PG2.

> 

> Dave or all

> 

> I have bin playing with this negation theory for quite a while, it made alot

> of sense but couldn't get a handle on it.

> 

> Any idea on what causes the Delta6 Desaturase deficiency ????

> 

> thanx- tom c.



          Some friends of mine think it comes from bottlefeeding .  The

intestines aren't getting all it takes to finish developing properly. 

Maybe.    A few years back in the Museum of Natural History Magizine I

read an article on a substance in breastmilk Epitheial Growth Factor that

is only in live milk, I guess this or some other un discovered substance

could be a factor in the missing enzyme.

                                                                                                                  

Sharon Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 26 May 1995 02:26:19 GMT



>     

>> >|  fatty acid called Gamma   

>> >|  Linolenic Acid (GLA)      |   

>> >|  GLA is converted in the   |    |   The presence of Alpha 

>> |

>> >|  body to prostaglandins    |    |   Linolenic Acid INHIBITS the 

>> |

>>  

>>       Prostaglandins have a number of different functions in the body.   

>> They are made via the arachadonic acid pathway, which branches to produce

>> two families of prostaglandins.  One group actually causes inflammation,

>> such as the joint inflammation of arthritis, while the other group has  

>> protective effects (eg. protecting the stomach lining from acid).  EPO  

>> acts as a precursor to the "good prostaglandin" pathway, shifting  

>> production toward the protective and away from the inflammatory  

>> prostaglandins.  Prostaglandins also play a big role in uterine  

>> contraction, hence the effect on PMS.

>>   JEFFREY KING  ALEV56A@prodigy.com

> 

>                 Jeffery and Tom, I thought that essential fatty acids did

>more in the body than produce prostaglandins, I thought that ESSENTIAL

>FATTY ACID meant just that, in order to utilize fats and  carry on body

>functions you need to eat the essential fatty acids; linoleic,

>arachidonic, and linolenic,( these are unsaturated fatty acids)   GLA  is

>in breastmilk and  is different than linolenic acid  it is at an already

>performed body level( ready to be used by the body in stead of being

>converted). Some people cannot convert LA into GLA.   Lots of times people

>do not need to supplement with GLA, but they do need to be eating the

>essential fatty acids . People are getting saturated fatty acids or  

>oxidized oils, or hydrogenated oils, or oils with solvents in them all of

>these lend to disfunction or a deficiency in the essential fatty acids.  

>With the FAT-FREE trend I have seen more kids with eczema.  Some of the

>kids and their moms have cleared up with the addition of extra virgin

>olive oil or safflower oil to their diets maybe just a teaspoon as part of

>some salad dressing a few times a week.  The Evening primrose oil works as

>well and probably acts quicker but it very expensive, and it seams it is

>just a dietary flaw for most.   Sharon Rust

> 



    Black currant oil is an excellent substitute for Evening Primrose oil.



  Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

  drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: bwind@BIX.com (bwind on BIX)

Date: 27 May 95 11:07:02 GMT



Omega-3 oils go to PG 3 series which then help to redirect production

of the pg1 series over the pg2 series.  That is unless you have an

enzyme blockage that prevents w3->PG3 in which case you take the fish

oils which bypass the blockage the sameway GLA bypasses the 6-desaturase

enzyme problem.



High insulin levels are supposedly one thing that lowers 6-desaturase

and causes 5-desaturase to produce more PG2 series.  One other reason

to stay away from refined food.



Brian





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: Cori <heron@mars.superlink.net>

Date: 27 May 1995 18:43:18 GMT





drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.) wrote:

>> 

>

>    Black currant oil is an excellent substitute for Evening Primrose oil.



That's good because I've heard that Evening Primrose Oil is one of the 

supplements/herbal remedies now under attack by the FDA.



Peace,



Cori





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Oil

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: 29 May 1995 23:51:44 +0100



In article: <3q7rs6$79d@earth.superlink.net>  Cori <heron@mars.superlink.net> writes:

> 

> 

> drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.) wrote:

> >> 

> >

> >    Black currant oil is an excellent substitute for Evening Primrose oil.

> 

> That's good because I've heard that Evening Primrose Oil is one of the 

> supplements/herbal remedies now under attack by the FDA.





Details please!





Evening Primrose oil must be good then (g)





-- 

Graham Sorenson                 Guide to Aromatherapy URL

http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cat's Claw

From: "cyberjet (John E. Tobler)" <cyberjet@big12.metrobbs.com>

Date: 17 May 1995 01:03:24 GMT





Could someone please tell me about the uses for Cat's Claw.  I read about this herb

recently, but I am very unfamiliar with it.  Any information would be greatly

appreciated.  If you post e-mail please send to:  Cyberspy@big12.metrobbs.com.  Thank

you very much.

LYoung

-- 

==============================================================================

| John E. Tobler               | My opinions are entirely(?) derived.  :-}=  |

| cyberjet@big12.metrobbs.com  | "The map is not the territory and a name is |

| #include <std.disclaimer>    | not the thing described." -- A. Korzybski   |





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat's Claw

From: scapsychmd@aol.com (SCAPSYCHMD)

Date: 18 May 1995 01:42:22 -0400



I understand that it is an immune system stimulator.  I was told studies

used 3000mg a day [1000mg TID].  I would like additional information as

well.  I look forward to other posts.  Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat's Claw

From: Stephanie Goble <Stephaniex_goble@ccm.ch.intel.com>

Date: 24 May 1995 00:27:32 GMT



"cyberjet (John E. Tobler)" <cyberjet@big12.metrobbs.com> wrote:

>

> 

> Could someone please tell me about the uses for Cat's Claw.  I read about this herb

> recently, but I am very unfamiliar with it.  Any information would be greatly

> appreciated.  If you post e-mail please send to:  Cyberspy@big12.metrobbs.com.  Thank

> you very much.

> LYoung



Could you give the scientific name as well as the common name?

"Cat's claw" here is a vine that spreads like kudzu.



Stephanie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Persistant Back Pain

From: clben1@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Silverblu)

Date: 17 May 95 02:31:16 GMT



Greetings.



I was wondering what I could use in a poultice to treat a friend's

back pain - his spine is always misaligned and he can't afford

constant trips to the chiropractor.  Is there anything that would

relieve deep muscle pain that I could massage in?  (The massage

itself helps, of course).



  -- Devious!

    ______________________________________________________________________

   /  \ "That the Internet shall never cease, nor the War end."           \

  |    |___________________________________________________________________|

   |     Fight devilbunnies.  Hoist a flagon at Dragon's Inn and know   |

 ___|                   that Callahans is a Way of Life.                 |

|    |    E-mail: clben1@giaeb.CC.monash.edu.au  (Devious Silverblu)      |

 \__/____________________________________________________________________/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Persistant Back Pain

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 17 May 1995 06:45:48 -0700



Silverblu (clben1@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au) wrote:

: I was wondering what I could use in a poultice to treat a friend's

: back pain - his spine is always misaligned and he can't afford

: constant trips to the chiropractor.  Is there anything that would

: relieve deep muscle pain that I could massage in?  (The massage

: itself helps, of course).



If your friend's spine is misaligned, he needs more than just a poultice.

Try going to a massage therapist once in a while.

For pain relief, a mustard poultice might do the trick (it's often used

to relieve chest congestion and arthritic pain by warming the area and

increasing blood flow).  Mix cold water with prepared mustard powder

to make a thick paste.  Spread the paste on a clean cloth and put a layer

of gauze over the mustard.  Apply to the affected area (in this case, your

friend's back).  Remove after 10 minutes (more will irritate the skin).



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Persistant Back Pain

From: odin@world.std.com (White Wolf)

Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 00:36:39 GMT





Check out PAIN-L. To subscribe, send request to <odin@gate.net>.



-HR-





clben1@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au (Silverblu) writes:



>Greetings.



>I was wondering what I could use in a poultice to treat a friend's

>back pain - his spine is always misaligned and he can't afford

>constant trips to the chiropractor.  Is there anything that would

>relieve deep muscle pain that I could massage in?  (The massage

>itself helps, of course).



>  -- Devious!

>    ______________________________________________________________________

>   /  \ "That the Internet shall never cease, nor the War end."           \

>  |    |___________________________________________________________________|

>   |     Fight devilbunnies.  Hoist a flagon at Dragon's Inn and know   |

> ___|                   that Callahans is a Way of Life.                 |

>|    |    E-mail: clben1@giaeb.CC.monash.edu.au  (Devious Silverblu)      |

> \__/____________________________________________________________________/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Persistant Back Pain

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 20 May 95 13:33:24 PST



In message ID <clben1.800677876@giaec> on 5/16/95, Silverblu

<clben1@giaec.cc.monash.edu.au> wrote:



: Greetings.

: 

: I was wondering what I could use in a poultice to treat a friend's

: back pain - his spine is always misaligned and he can't afford

: constant trips to the chiropractor.  Is there anything that would

: relieve deep muscle pain that I could massage in?  (The massage

: itself helps, of course).

: 

:   -- Devious!

:     ___________



White Flower Oil, available in any Chinatown.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ROle of Amino Acids in Pain Relief

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 17 May 1995 04:01:16 GMT



Please advise of personal experience or studies of the role of amino

acids in pain relief and relieving stiffness.Please E Mail information

to me including effective dosages and where amino acids can be

obtained.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Side effects/toxicity ReadMe First

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: 17 May 1995 13:53:03 +0100



Since there are fairly consistent posts to this group concerning safety and

toxicity of herbal medicines, many of which are either misinformed,

misleading or simply ignorant of the philosophy and practice of the subject

of herbbal medicine, I have presumed to write some background notes which

may be useful to those wishing to pursue these matters

in more depth than possible with the usual Usenet banter....



Since the post is rather long, this is to warn all those not interested

(newsreader software permitting) to not download the post whose  Subject

Header is Side Effects/toxicity .



Also please note the text does not offer a list of toxic herbs, but is a

discussion of underlying issues from a western herbalist viewpoint.



thanx



jonathan treasure





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Side Effects/Toxicity

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: 17 May 1995 13:53:22 +0100



INTRODUCTION TO SIDE EFFECTS, SAFETY AND TOXICITY OF MEDICINAL

HERBS.



This introduction  concerns WESTERN medical herbs and their

clinical use.  Some herbal agents are common to different

traditions but the indications and methods of use may vary

between eg TCM, Ayurvedic and Western practices.



The purpose of these notes is to provide a general  understanding

of the actions of herbal medicines, and  hence a background for

understanding questions of safety and toxicity - NOT to provide a

list of problematic herbs. A brief bibliography gives sources of

reliable information on the safety of herbal medicine and further

reading.



 ================================



Conventional medicine considers that if a drug is to be

effective, it will inevitably have side effects. The medical

establishment considers herbal medicines as drugs, and as such,

they must either have side effects - or ergo be ineffective.



Paradoxically tens of thousands of people every year turn to

herbal medicine because they regard plant remedies as being free

>from  undesirable side effects. Herbal medicines are considered to

be generally safe AND effective agents.



Although there is a spectrum of viewpoints in western herbal

medicine, most herbalists reject the view that plant medicines

are naturally occuring analogues ofthe pharmaceuticals used in

orthodox clinical medicine ie drugs.  



This is ultimately  a  rejection of the dominant paradigm of

orthodox clinical science. It is necessary to outline the

elements of the alternative paradigm shared by most herbalists, 

before questions of toxicity and safety can be discussed in

context of clinical herbal therapeutics, rather than of orthodox

medical science.





1. MEDICINAL PLANT ACTIONS CANNOT BE REDUCED TO THE EFFECTS OF

THEIR  ISOLATED ACTIVE  CONSTITUENTS



There ARE a few plants that are almost drug like and whose

action approaches that of pharmaceuticals. Digitalis is the

classic  example. Herbalists use these plants in near allopathic

treatment strategies if at all, and in some countries eg UK,

their availability is restricted  by law. The number of herbs in

this category is relatively few.



The vast majority of medicinal herbs contain dozens of different

compounds, often of great complexity,  mucilages, tannins,

polysaccharides etc that buffer, modulate and modify the effects

of any active principles.  Study after study has shown that

effects produced by extracts of whole plants cannot be mimicked

by  administering  isolated purified constituents of the plant. 



(It is ironic this proposition even has to be asserted given that

biological sciences have for some time used a systems theory

model in which the whole being greater than the sum of the parts

is axiomatic - this  simply reflects the inherent conservatism of

the medical establishment. However for most herbalists  the view

of the whole being greater than the parts is derived from

vitalism, not systems theory!) 			





2. MEDICINAL HERBS ACT  MULTI-SYSTEMICALLY 



Pharmaceutical drugs  are designed to elicit very specific

reactions. Their  associated  side effects are undesired

actions, usually traded as a risk against the benefit of the

primary effect. Herbs tend to have several broad actions on a

number of whole physiological systems at the same time. These 

actions are usually oriented in the same general therapeutic

direction, and are usually complementary or synergistic, often

non-specific, and very rarely adverse. Herb actions cannot be

adequately described using the vocabulary of drug action terms.

eg diuretic etc  - they are too complex. The clearest example of

this is the coining of the term adaptogenic  used to describe

the  multiple non-specific effects of herbs such as Ginseng.





3. HERBS ACT ON THE HEALING PROCESSES IN THE  BODY.



A pharmaceutical drug addresses symptoms caused by specific 

disease mechanisms as understood by scientific pathology. Herbal

medicines are directed towards aiding the bodys own healing

processes. These approaches are diametrically oppposed. Herbal

medicines act gently, usually attempting to nudge  orsupport

systems and  processes that have become deficent or help remove

excesses that have become preponderant. Symptom relief is only a

component of herbal therapeutic strategy. 



This is a crucial difference. For example, serum arthritic

conditions are conventionally treated with steroid

anti-inflammatory drugs. These have widespread and disturbing

side effects, which at sustained high doses become intolerable

and potentially dangerous if not lethal. The herbal approach to

these conditions uses dietary modification of metabolism;  

facilitation of elimination via kidneys and hepatic/biliary

routes; stimulation of circulation in the affected regions,

moistening of dry synovia,etc Topical treatments for acute joint

pain or systemic anti-inflammatory herbs that help joint pain are

used as required, but this is not the thrust of the treatment

strategy.  Lay persons often make the related mistake of seeking

a "natural alternative" to a pharmaceutical they have been

prescribed rather than challenging the diagnosis and therapeutic

strategy.   





4. HERBS ACT MULTI- DIMENSIONALLY 



Herbal medicine is a wholistic therapy, it integrates  mental,

emotional and spiritual levels seamlessly into its understanding

of both  human function and of the plant remedy, while respecting

the planetary and ecological dimensions of  natural medicine

provided by plants.  Although subject to differing

interpretations this view is held in one form or another by most

herbalists . 



Life style, mental, emotional and spiritual considerations are

part of any naturopathic approach, herbalism included. Flower

essences, homeopathic preparations and drop doses of standard

herb extracts all demonstrate that herbal agents can produce

consistent and powerful effects at subtle levels in ways quite

inexplicable by the pharmacokinetic model underlying orthodox

pharmacology. 



Centuries of medicinal plant usage overarch even the Graeco -

Roman heritage of medical thought ,itself already forgotten by

its  amnesiac infant technological medicine,  extending into

magical, esoteric and religious domains of prehistory. The great

Asian systems of medicine have continued uninterrupted for

thousands of years to today,integrated into profound cosmological

and philosophical systems. From any serious study of the

application of herbs to healing a perspective emerges that

reveals  modern doctors to be tragi-comically  like educated

peasants running around pretending to be chiefs (Grossinger).





5. SIDE EFFECTS  VS  CONTRAINDICATIONS



Many herbalists would tend toward the radical homeopathic view

that the side effects of orthodox medicine are in fact

iatrogenic developments of the very disease for which the

pharmacological intervention was intended. The symptoms simply

change, and the real underlying dysfunction is further obscured -

or driven further into the interior to manifest in deeper and

more intractable ways.



Notwithstanding this iatrogenic view of side effects, we have

seen that the use of herbs anyway does not generally involve

drug actions or adverse effects. Of course, if the body

processes are nudged in the wrong direction for long enough, then

imbalances can worsen rather than improve. Hence the need for

informed  knowledge of the effects of herbs as well as a clinical

training to understand their appropriate medical application.

Herbalists learn about the  CONTRAINDICATIONS as well as the

indications for using a herb. This term is more useful and

appropriate than "side effects". 



CONTRAINDICATIONS are incongruences between the

metabolic/systemic  predisposition (constitution) of the

individual -  and the spectrum of multi-systemic actions of a

given herb agent or class of agents. Essentially , herbalists use

their in depth  knowledge to devise a mixnmatch  prescription

tailored precisely to fit an indivduals unique  profile. This

approach is most sophisticated in the tonic energetics of the

Oriental medical traditions, but is empirically applied by most

herbalists. 



Contraindicated remedies can account for aparently idiosyncratic

bad reactions to a herb. Valerian is a classic example, its

powerful autonomic effects can make it disagree with stressed 

adrenergically hyperactive individuals, who paradoxically are

often those seeking sedative treatment for insomnia.  Anyone

experiencing such reactions to a herb for more than a couple of

days should stop taking it and seek further advice. However a

second and vital aspect of contraindications  especially  today

is the question of  DRUG INTERACTIONS.



Many people seeking herbal medical treatment are already involved

in pharmaceutical therapies.  Herbal remedies may act either as

agonists or potentiate some drug therapies, and an understanding

of conventional drugs is an essential prerequisite for effective

herbal therapueutics.  In many cases, herbalists would not treat

the primary presenting symptom undergoing  drug treatment - be it

ulcers treated with Zantac or cardiac arrythmia treated with

Digoxin - but rather concentrate on supporting other systems and

functions stressed by the primary symptom. This allows the body

to recover its strength and healing potential so it can then

direct these capabilities  toward repairing  the presenting

condition. In other cases, it can be a priority to wean someone

off drugs, eg steroids, in which case supportive therapy to

restore adrenal function is vital. 





6. SAFETY AND TOXICITY OF HERBAL MEDICINES



The definition of *toxic* is a ultimately a matter of viewpoint.

Many ordinary foods contain constituents that could be regarded

as poisonous, such as the alpha gliadin produced by gluten in

wheat oats and rye, the cyanogenic glycosides in many fruit

seeds, the thiocyanates of the brassica vegetables , alkaloids of

the Solanaceae and lectins of many pulses including soya and red

kidney beans. Nonetheless these foods are generally regarded as

safe. Similarly, both water and oxygen - can kill in excessive 

amounts, so quantity is often an important consideration. In

practice however , three groups of herbs can be identified  from

a safety point of view.



Firstly there are a handfulcof herbs that contain near

pharmaceutical concentrations of poisonous constituents which

should on no account be taken internally by unqualified persons

except in homeopathic potencies. Examples are Atropa belladonna,

Arnica spp, Aconitum spp, Digitalis spp. In many countries

availability of these herbs is limited by law. Regulations vary

>from  country to country and the appropriate regulatory

authorities or Herb Organisations can be consulted for details.

Wildcrafters should be  unshakeably confident in their

identification of the local variants of these species, and

children warned to avoid them. Fortunately this is a numerically

tiny category. 



Secondly, are herbs with  powerful actions, often causing  nausea

or vomiting, (that usually  were traditionally prized for this

action).  They  are perfectly safe used under appropriate

conditions. Some ofthese herbs are restricted in some countries

but freely available in others. Lobelia and Eonymus spp are

examples.There is some inconsistency here, for example Ephedra is

restricted, perhaps with justification, in the UK, but is freely

available in the US. 



Finally, there is an idiosyncratic grouping of herbs which have

been alleged, with some scientific support, to exhibit specific

kinds of toxicity. The best known is the  hepatotoxicity  of

pyrrolizidine alkaloid containing plants such as Comfrey

(Symphytum).  Other examples are Dryopteris (Male Fern) , Viscum

(Mistletoe) and   Corynanthe (Yohimbe) . Although much of the

evidence is contentious ( see below), lay users would be advised

to avoid internal consumption of these herbs.





The vast majority of medical herbs are safe for consumption, but

for those without specialised knowledge, it would be prudent to

follow simple but sensible guidelines in self treatment:



- Use only herbs recommended in respected herb books, especially

in countries like the US where there are few restrictions on

availability.



- Avoid new or unproven *wonder remedies*.



- Do not persist with a remedy if no benefit or result  obtains

after a moderate period, and if adverse reactions take place,

stop the treatment and seek experienced advice. 



- Do not persist with a treatment that has brought improvement

without testing to see if continued further consumption is

necessary to maintain improvement. 



- Do not engage in self treatment for complex conditions without

experienced advice. Drug interactions and contraindications must

be considered on an individual basis and herbaltreatment

strategies are often involved and multifaceted.



Unfortunately,training and licensing of herbalists is not

internationally consistent. In the US the situation is especially

complex - no recognised herbal licensing exists. NDs are

licensed in a few states, but their herbal training could

theoretically be less than that of an unlicensed but experienced

herbal practitioner.  In the UK, the NIMH accredits herbalists

who have trained at approved courses: practitioners are

recognised by MNIMHor FNIMH qualifications. 





7. PREGNANCY 



It is axiomatic that pregnancy should be a time of minimal

medical intervention, and herbalists in particular regard

pregnancy as a contraindication to taking herbal medicines.

Nutritive food herbs such as nettle, and uterine tonics such as

raspberry leaf are encouraged, and perhaps gentle treatments

againsttypical  symptoms such as constipation or morning sickness

are in order.  There is NO evidence of teratogenicity in humans

arising from herbal remedies, but since such evidence would be

hard to come by, erring on the side of caution is regarded as

prudent. 





8. UNDERSTANDING TOXICITY RESEARCH - POLITICS AND IDEOLOGY



Medical orthodoxy at best does not understand herbal medicine,

and at worst, sees it as a threat which it attempts to rubbish,

regulate or ridicule. Quackery  has a fascinating role in the

history of medicine and its institutions, but much of the

hostility towards herbal medicine comes from its apparently

greater proximity to orthodoxy than say acupuncture  or

homeopathy. This is the unfortunate political context in which

toxicity and safety of herbal medicines are debated. 



Additionally, both professional herbalists and regulatory

authorities exhibit differing degrees of education, organisation

and aptitude in different countries. In the United States, the

situation is particularly lamentable, with scare mongering

stories regularly aired in medical, scientific and popular press,

whilst the lack of accredited professional herbalist training 

means that well intentioned self-appointed spokespersons for

herbalism can cause more harm than good, and the quixotic federal

regulatory stance on herbs as foodstuffs means that the potential

of lay self-iatrogenesis with  freely available OTC herbal

products is a serious possibility. 



Toxicty of herbal medicines needs to be seen in context however.

As Paul Bergner, Editor of the journal Medical Herbalism and

author of several articles on herbal toxicty recently pointed

out:



*Approximately 8% of all hospital admissions in the U.S. are due

to adverse reactions to synthetic drugs. That's a minimum of

2,000,000. At least 100,000 people a year die from them. That's

just in the U.S., and that's a conservative estimate.That means

at least three times as many people are killed in the U.S. by

pharmaceutical drugs as are killed by drunken drivers.  Thousands

die each year from supposedly "safe" over-the-counter remedies. 

Deaths or hospitalizations due to herbs are so rare that they're

hard to find. the U.S. National Posion Control Centers does not

even have a catagory in their data base for adverse reactions to

herbs.*



Similar figures apply in the United Kingdom, and even

hepatoxicty,  where perhaps the stongest case against some herbs

lies, the statistics are horrendously clear - over 80% of cases

of fulminant hepatic failure presenting for liver transplant (or

death) over ten years inthe UK were due to poisoning by freely

available OTC  non-prescription NSAIDs, such as paracetomol and

aspirin. Not one case was due to ingestion of medicinal herbs.



For the lay person, analysis of so called scientific evidence

about toxicity is clearly problematic. Some of the most useful

sources of information are to be found in review presentations

made by representatives of the herbalist community to regulatory

authorities such as the FDA or MCA. Informative reviews of the

literature in defence of Comfrey and Mistletoe have been made in

this way.



Herbalists justifiably point out that scientific studies with

isolated compounds, on non human or even non mammalian organisms,

or in vitro , with doses tens or even  hundreds of times the

equivalent medicinal dose, simply have no arguable extrapolation

to the clinical situation using whole herb at appropriate

medicinal doses.



 Lack of herbal knowledge knowledge by some scientific

investigators (let alone journalists or self appointed defenders

of  the public) leads to often ludicrously misleading results - 

one of the commonest mistakes being the failure to verify the

actual identity of plant material used in their experiments, let

alone the detection  of contaminants!



These points beg the question of what paradigm can be used for

research into the safety and efficacy of herbal therapies. That

shibboleth of orthodoxy - the  double blind placebo controlled

clinical trial is open to a range of criticsms from the paradigm

employed by herbalists - but that, as they say, is another story.





FURTHER READING



HERBAL /MEDICAL CONTRAINDICATIONS:

Synergistic and Iatrogenic Potentials when some herbs are used concurrent

with Medical

Treatment or Medical Health Care by Michael Moore, 1995 , on line

at  http://www.crl.com/~robbee/herbal.html



HERB INFORMATION RESOURCE:

The Information Source book of HerbalMedicine: David Hoffmann,

Crossing Press 1994. This excellent book is reviewed at 

 http://www.crl.com/~robbee/herbal.html



TOXICOLOGY:

Brinker F : An Introduction to the Toxicology of Common Botanical Medicnes,

NCNM 1983

AMA Handbook of Poisonous and Injurious Plants AMA, Chicago 1985

NAPRALERT database at UIC. 



Example REVIEWS OF PROBLEMATIC HERBS:

In Defence of Comfrey: EJHM1.1.1994 11-17 

The Case For Mistletoe EJHM1.1 1994  17-22

EJHM = European journal of Herbal Medicine



HISTORY:

 Planet Medicine - Richard Grosssinger, North Atlantic Books 1990

The Magical Staff , Matthew Wood North Atlantic Books, Berkely 1992





GENERAL HERB BOOKS:

J.A. Duke, 1985. CRC Handbook of Medicinal Herbs, CRC Press.  

C. Hobbs, (many booklets). Topics: Echinacea,

Usnea, Medicinal Mushrooms, Natural Liver Therapy, Vitex, Milk

Thistle, Immune Therapy. Botanica Press, Box 742, Capitola, CA 

95010.  (Most are $5- $10).

D. Hoffmann, 1988. The Herbal Handbook: A User's Guide to Medical

Herbalism,  Healing Arts Press.  All texts by Hoffmann are reliable.

S. Mills, 1992.  Out of the Earth: The Essential Book of Herbalism, Viking

Press.

*>M.Moore, 1979. Medicinal Plants of the Mountains West, Uof NMPress. 

*>M. Moore, 1990. Medicinal Plants of the Desert West, U of NM Press. 

*>M. Moore, 1993. Medicinal Plants of the Pacific West, Red Crane Press.

R.F. Weiss, 1988. Herbal Medicine, 





 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side Effects/Toxicity

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 20 May 95 17:00:59 PST



In message ID <ABDFB10B966813B45A@jonno.demon.co.uk> on 5/17/95, Jonathan

Treasure <jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk> wrote:



: Firstly there are a handful of herbs that contain near

: pharmaceutical concentrations of poisonous constituents which

: should on no account be taken internally by unqualified persons

: except in homeopathic potencies. Examples are Atropa belladonna,

: Arnica spp, Aconitum spp, Digitalis spp. 



I don't disagree with the thrust of your article, Jonathan, but I'd like to

supplement one aspect of it....



Poisonous is an odd way to refer to Digitalis spp. Though toxicity and fatal

overdose definitely exists, that three million U.S. users each year are alive

due to the slowing of electrical transmission in the heart of Digitalis spp.'

cardiac glycosides (with no negative effect at proper dosage) suggests that such

single terms like 'poisonous' are often very vague, and don't foster proper

understanding of herbal usage by lay people. Digitalis also is reputed to taste

awful (since the glycosides are bad tasting)--Monarch butterflies concentrate

glycosides in their tissue (from milkweed) and train predators to avoid their

species by virtue of the emetic properties of a stong dose of such a bad-tasting

batch of chemicals.



On a second note, --Rehmannia glutinosa--, the Chinese foxglove, from the same

family, and very closely related as far as I know, doesn't contain any cardiac

glycosides at all, and is virtually the mainstay of East-Asian traditional

herbalism.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com





--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: question on A.D.D.

From: mikz@primenet.com (Michael Zalar)

Date: 17 May 1995 14:23:46 GMT







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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: info about herbal for kidney stone

From: chitoq@aol.com (ChitoQ)

Date: 17 May 1995 11:15:30 -0400



I have very useful information about an herb that can relieve kidney stone

causing discomforts and that can actually decrease the size of kidney

stone.  If you have also info about herbs that can do the same, I'll be

interested to know.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: info about herbal for kidney stone

From: navarra@vaxd.gat.com (Tony Navarra)

Date: 24 May 1995 14:59:30 GMT



In article <3pd3ui$kl7@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, chitoq@aol.com (ChitoQ) says:

>

>I have very useful information about an herb that can relieve kidney stone

>causing discomforts and that can actually decrease the size of kidney

>stone.  If you have also info about herbs that can do the same, I'll be

>interested to know.





try corn silk. take the silk boil it for a few minutes and drink it.

it will work





tony





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: asthma herbal remedy

From: chitoq@aol.com (ChitoQ)

Date: 17 May 1995 11:21:18 -0400



I want to have an exchange of information about herbs that can relieve

asthma.  I know one herb that can actually do almost the same effects as

with regular drug theophylline but with less side effects.  Anyone with

info about herbs that can do the same may write to me.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: asthma herbal remedy

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 18 May 1995 05:44:41 -0700



ChitoQ (chitoq@aol.com) wrote:

: I want to have an exchange of information about herbs that can relieve

: asthma.  I know one herb that can actually do almost the same effects as

: with regular drug theophylline but with less side effects.  Anyone with

: info about herbs that can do the same may write to me.



My husband has light asthma.  We found a tea at a friend's herb shop

containing (I wish I knew in what proportions):



     Angelica

     Anise

     Coltsfoot  (anybody know what this is?)

     Cocoa

     Ginkgo

     Kola nut

     Green tea

     Ma huang   



My husband has taken it, and says it works quite well.  You can try mixing

this yourself, or if anyone is interested, I can provide you with the 

address for the herb shop... I believe she does a good bit of mail-order

business.



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: asthma herbal remedy

From: meyers@acf2.NYU.EDU (meyers)

Date: 18 May 1995 11:56:52 -0400



I use 2 parts coltsfoot, 1 part vervain, 1 part comfrey, 1 part yerba

santa (or chamomile).  This works for my wife.  I don't remember exactly

how this combination evolved and it wasn't recommended by any licensed

herbalist.  In my experience, it works. But I will not pretend any

expertise in this area.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Vinegar for joint problems??

From: david.gallagher@bnr.ca (David A. Gallagher)

Date: 17 May 1995 18:51:47 GMT



A friend of mine just told me that he was told to use apple vinegar to help

reduce bone spurs, as well as general anti-inflammatory and pain reducing

effects. He was also told to take Cod Liver oil. My questions are

1) Is this true?

2) One person said use red, another person said to use white. Which one is

it, or does it matter? Another said it must be raw, unprocessed vinegar.

3) Is Cod Liver oil correct/best? I've heard about Evening Primrose oil?



For me, most of my pain is related to athletic activities resulting in sore

joints and inflammed/impinged nerves with bone spurs and a mild disc

herniation in my neck/cervical vertebrae. My hope is that the above will

help.



Thanx in advance,

David

david.gallagher@bnr.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vinegar for joint problems??

From: Frank Thompson <afn25124@freenet.ufl.edu>

Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 20:06:37 -0400



David G:



Had the same problem. Would recommend a trip to the library and read 

Arthiritis and Common Sense by Alexander. Cod liver oil is the answer, not 

vinegar. 





Franco T



On 17 May 1995, David A. Gallagher wrote:



> A friend of mine just told me that he was told to use apple vinegar to help

> reduce bone spurs, as well as general anti-inflammatory and pain reducing

> effects. He was also told to take Cod Liver oil. My questions are

> 

> Thanx in advance,

> David

> david.gallagher@bnr.ca

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vinegar for joint problems??

From: brucepeter@aol.com (BrucePeter)

Date: 17 May 1995 22:37:01 -0400



David,

My wife, Donna is an Holistic Counselor.  I asked her and she said Evening

Primrose Oil would be more for women.  The vinegar will help but it must

be "RAW APPLE CIDER VINEGAR" any health food store should have it.  If you

can't locate it call Donna at 516-661-4187.  But you really shouldn't have

a problem locating it locally. Now, this is the recipe to use:

2 teaspoons of raw apple cider vinegar to 8-10 oz of water.  Add 1-2

teasponns of honey(to taste).  This is good, especially first thing in the

morning.

This should help reduce the bone spurs.  It also helps eliminate Uric acid

deposits which is why it would reduce general soreness. 

There are many other benefits to using Raw apple cider vinegar.

Two books on the subject are 1. "Dr. Lust Speaking...Cider Vinegar" by

Cyril Scott; and 2. "Apple Cider Vinegar Health System" by Bragg & Bragg.

I'll bet Rosemary at Healing Pages Bookstore e-mail healingpgs@aol.com

could locate them for you.

If this doesn't work for you there may some chinese herbal combinations my

wife Donna can suggest.  But you may want to try the vinegar first as the

cost is negligble.

Hope this is helpful.  Let me know how you make out.

-Bruce-





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vinegar for joint problems??

From: moreta@prostar.com (Moreta)

Date: 18 May 95 12:30:20 PDT



I have seen people get good results from cod liver oil, I have seen people 

get good results from apple cider vinegar, I prefer apple cider vinegar and 

local honey diluted in water.  I find the taste and the benifits from it 

works better than the other two.. but that it for me, I have customers that 

swear by one or the other of the above. 



Mo





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bug repellant?

From: t_andrew@oz.plymouth.edu (Todd S. Andrews)

Date: 17 May 1995 15:45:51 -0400



hi there!

pardon me if this has been brought up recently...i'm going to be a

counselor at a summer camp starting this june, at a camp that's infamous

for it's mosquitoes and black flies..i'd like to not have to deal with the

chemicals (and smell) of modern bug repellant.

i'd heard rumors of vitamins and herbs that naturally repel insects,

though i'm not sure what ones...any help is greatly appriciated, here or

e-mail if this is an inappropriate thread..

(e-mail is probably better because i'm only going to be able to read this

sporatically 'til June, and the server deletes posts after a time)



thank You all =)

Peace, Love, and Joy,

tod





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bug repellant?

From: amaclir@unibase.unibase.com (Aine Maclir)

Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 03:17:42 GMT



t_andrew@oz.plymouth.edu (Todd S. Andrews) wrote:



>pardon me if this has been brought up recently...i'm going to be a

>counselor at a summer camp starting this june, at a camp that's infamous

>for it's mosquitoes and black flies..i'd like to not have to deal with the

>chemicals (and smell) of modern bug repellant.

>i'd heard rumors of vitamins and herbs that naturally repel insects,

>though i'm not sure what ones...any help is greatly appriciated, here or

>e-mail if this is an inappropriate thread..

>(e-mail is probably better because i'm only going to be able to read this

>sporatically 'til June, and the server deletes posts after a time)



There are a couple of things that I know of.



1.  Wear Citronella essential oil (which isn't the greatest smelling

stuff around, but I guess it beats Off).



2.  Take the equivalent of 1500mg of fresh garlic clove (a 15mg

capsule of garlic powder or 3 5mg capsules) orally every day.  Taking

garlic will cause your skin to secrete a natural insect repellent.



For best results, do both.  Don't wear perfumes or scented deordorants

and wear light-coloured clothing as darker colours attract bugs...this

is particularly true of blue denim jeans.  To make sleeping more

comfortable, burn either an insect coil or a couple of sticks of

citronella incence in your cabin before going to bed, making sure that

all the doors and unscreened windows are closed, so no more of them

get in.



If you do get bitten, applying a small dab of ammonia to the bite

immediately after being bitten can help ease the itching.  And there's

always the old favorite...calamine lotion...if you're not going to be

anywhere that being coated in pink polka dots will be unfashionable

<g>.  Aloe vera and witch hazel will also soothe insect bites.



If you are going to be in an area that's also known for tics, just be

on the lookout for them whenever you've been in a wooded area and if

you find one stuck to you, use rubbing alcohol to make him let go and

carefully remove it with a pair of tweezers.  Salt applied to a leech

will get rid of it (in case you're around water that has any of those

"suckers" <g>).



I think that should about cover every blood-thirsty creature you're

likely to run into at a summer camp, recalling my own experiences.

I've been on canoe trips through Algonquin Park, Ontario (known for

having some of the biggest and thirstiest mosquitos, blackflies and

leeches in Canada) and I live in Saskatchewan, where we could make

mosquitos our provincial bird!



Hope that helps.  Have fun!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bug repellant?

From: sfrye@interaccess.com (amethyst)

Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 08:25:00





>t_andrew@oz.plymouth.edu (Todd S. Andrews) wrote:





>>i'd heard rumors of vitamins and herbs that naturally repel insects,

>>though i'm not sure what ones...any help is greatly appriciated, here or



I've had good results taking b-complex supplements daily. Seems the bugs like 

the odor of B-1 about as much as I like the taste of it ;P



B*B

Amethyst





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Royal Jelly ?

From: mhoneth@inforamp.net

Date: 17 May 1995 15:53:34 -0400



Hi - read here somewhere, that someone used royal jelly which helped her to

fall pregnant.  

 

Does anyone have any idea how much royal jelly should be taken? Is 300mg a

good dose?  Have tried reading up about it, but there are never references

to doses. 

 

Any natural suggestions anyone has to share would be welcome. 

 

Thanks in advance 

 

Carol @ Michael Honeth 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fertility

From: "Capt. K. Janeway" <captjanwy@gbn.net>

Date: 17 May 1995 20:25:19 GMT



Does anyone know an herb that might increase the chances of

becoming pregnant?  I've been trying for a while to conceive

but not long enough or hard enough to interest any doctor to

help.  But the emotional rollercoaster is still hell.



Any help would be very much appreciated.



Risa Kovac

captjanwy@gbn.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fertility

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 18 May 1995 06:02:14 GMT



Capt. K. Janeway (captjanwy@gbn.net) wrote:

: Does anyone know an herb that might increase the chances of

: becoming pregnant?  I've been trying for a while to conceive

: but not long enough or hard enough to interest any doctor to

: help.  But the emotional rollercoaster is still hell.



The rule of thumb is that a woman or couple should have been trying 

unsuccessfully to get pregnant for one year if the women is under 35 

years of age and 6 months if she is 35 or older.  It can seem like a very 

long time indeed.



I don't know of any herbs that increase the chance of fertility, and I 

don't think I would recommend one if I did because very few herbs have 

been tested to see if they cause birth defects.  Often women do not know 

they are pregnant until well after the first week of conception and by 

this point the embryonic cells are merrily dividing away and quite 

sensitive to many outside chemicals.



However, there are many things that a woman can do to increase her 

chances of conceiving without having to resort to expensive or invasive 

diagnostic procedures.



To begin with, you need to learn to detect when you ovulate.  There are 

several ways to do this.  Catholics have been relying for years upon the 

Billings method, which involves charting temperature and checking the vaginal 

secretions on toilet paper for changes typical of ovulation.  There are 

many good books out there on how to do this. 



I personally take it a step farther and recommend the use of a plastic 

vaginal speculum, a mirror and a flashlight to view the cervix as the most 

effective way.  It's quite easy: you can get speculums from medical 

supply houses or from the local feminist health clinic if you're lucky 

enough to live a community with one.  You insert the speculum, shine the 

flashlight on the mirror so it reflects inside and voila! you can see the 

cervix.  During ovulation, the cervical opening (called the 'os') becomes 

much more open and a copious clear and stretchy secretion comes pouring 

out.  If you touch this secretion and hold it between your fingers, it 

will stretch out into a long strand.  The best book I've seen that shows 

you how to test this is _A New View Of A Woman's Body_ by the Federation 

of Feminist Women's Health Centers, Touchstone Press, 1981.  The ISBN # 

is 0-671-41215-9.  It has amazing photographs which clearly show how to 

use the speculum and what fertile mucus looks like.  



It can be ordered from:



Feminist Health Press

8240 Santa Monica Blvd.

West Hollywood, CA 90046.

Phone: (213) 650-1508

Cost: $19.95 plus tax and shipping fees.



_Our Bodies, Ourselves_ by the Boston Women's Health Book Collective is 

available in most bookstores and is another good source of information on 

ovulation detection and fertility.



Next, once you've determined when your most fertile time is there are 

other things that you can do to help get the semen into the cervix.  

(This is assuming that you are doing this the old-fashioned, heterosexual 

intercourse way.  Donor insemintion is another subject entirely.)  



First, your partner needs to have enough active sperm to do the job.  

This means that he should not masturbate during the time that you are 

fertile or for about 48 hours prior, so the sperm can build up.  If you 

have any question about your partner's sperm, get a sperm count.  It's 

amazing how often doctors will put women through invasive diagnostic 

procedures and never even think to do a sperm count.  About half the 

time, any fertility problems are due to problems with the sperm of the 

man involved.  One reason men can have low sperm counts is from taking hot 

tub baths, which raise the temperature of the scrotum past optimal for 

sperm production.  So generally, it's best for men to avoid hot tubs and 

any tub bathing at home other than in tepid water (showers are fine, 

however.)  Some men also find that their sperm count increases if they 

switch from jockey shorts to boxers.  If a man does all this and still 

has a low sperm count, there are things doctors can do to increase the 

chance of conception, like spinning down and concentrating the sperm and 

then injecting it directly through the cervical opening into the uterus.  

This is also done if the woman's cervix does not produce the right kind 

of mucus to facilitate sperm transport.   But this is generally done 

after you've tried all the other steps first.



According to Masters and Johnson, it's also advisible to take the 

following actions:



1.  Do whatever you want sexually, but when the time comes for the man to 

ejaculate, make sure the woman is on the bottom and that the man is 

penetrating as deeply as possible.



2.  Then stay lying down for at least 1/2 hour so that all that precious 

semen doesn't run out of your vagina where it will do no good at all.



3.  Some couples may also benefit from placing a pillow under the woman's

hips so that the angle of the vagina is changed so that the sperm all 

pools near the cervix.  A few have also placed as much of their partner's 

sperm as they can gather inside a cervical cap and left it over the 

cervix for 6 hours.



Some women build up antibodies to their partner's sperm.  One way to 

prevent this is to let 48 hours pass between intercourse times.  



I hope you find this information helpful.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fertility

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 21 May 95 01:22:31 PST



In message ID <3pdm3f$rgu@over.mhv.net> on 5/17/95, Capt. K. Janeway

<captjanwy@gbn.net> wrote:



: Does anyone know an herb that might increase the chances of

: becoming pregnant?  I've been trying for a while to conceive

: but not long enough or hard enough to interest any doctor to

: help.  But the emotional rollercoaster is still hell.

: 

: Any help would be very much appreciated.

: 

: Risa Kovac

: captjanwy@gbn.net



Don't drink coffee. Get more rest.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fertility

From: "Capt. K. Janeway" <captjanwy@gbn.net>

Date: 24 May 1995 04:14:10 GMT



> In message ID <3pdm3f$rgu@over.mhv.net> on 5/17/95, Capt. K. Janeway

> <captjanwy@gbn.net> wrote:

> 

> : Does anyone know an herb that might increase the chances of

> : becoming pregnant?  I've been trying for a while to conceive

> : but not long enough or hard enough to interest any doctor to

> : help.  But the emotional rollercoaster is still hell.

> : 

> : Any help would be very much appreciated.

> : 

> : Risa Kovac

> : captjanwy@gbn.net

> 

> Don't drink coffee. Get more rest.

> 

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

> 

> --

Do I really have to give up coffee :(



Risa





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fertility

From: gandara@clark.net

Date: 25 May 1995 00:05:00 GMT



>   "Capt. K. Janeway" <captjanwy@gbn.net> writes:

>  > In message ID <3pdm3f$rgu@over.mhv.net> on 5/17/95, Capt. K. Janeway

>  > <captjanwy@gbn.net> wrote:

>  > 

>  > : Does anyone know an herb that might increase the chances of

>  > : becoming pregnant?  I've been trying for a while to conceive

>  > : but not long enough or hard enough to interest any doctor to

>  > : help.  But the emotional rollercoaster is still hell.

>  > : 

>  > : Any help would be very much appreciated.

>  > : 

>  > : Risa Kovac

>  > : captjanwy@gbn.net

>  > 

>  > Don't drink coffee. Get more rest.

>  > 

>  > --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>  > 

>  > --

>  Do I really have to give up coffee :(

>  

>  Risa

>  

>>>>

Yes, you must give up coffee.  Studies show that caffeine decreases fertility.  There are also three herbs that I trust 

to increase fertility.  They are red clover flowers, nettle leaves, and red raspberry leaves taken as teas or infusions.  

These are especially nourishing to the uterus and help tone the reproductive system.  They also balance the 

hormonal system.  Good luck!



Nita (using my husband's account)  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fertility

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 21 May 95 23:09:22 PST



In message ID <3pent6$dc5@news.primenet.com> on 5/17/95, Camilla Cracchiolo

<camilla@primenet.com> wrote:



: Capt. K. Janeway (captjanwy@gbn.net) wrote:

: : Does anyone know an herb that might increase the chances of

: : becoming pregnant?  I've been trying for a while to conceive

: : but not long enough or hard enough to interest any doctor to

: : help.  But the emotional rollercoaster is still hell.

: 

: The rule of thumb is that a woman or couple should have been trying 

: unsuccessfully to get pregnant for one year if the women is under 35

:  years of age and 6 months if she is 35 or older.  It can seem like

: a very  long time indeed.

: 

: I don't know of any herbs that increase the chance of fertility, and I 

: don't think I would recommend one if I did because very few herbs have 

: been tested to see if they cause birth defects.  Often women do not

: know  they are pregnant until well after the first week of

: conception and by  this point the embryonic cells are merrily

: dividing away and quite  sensitive to many outside chemicals.



It's the wrong question. Fertility is DIRECTLY associated with health balance

and strong Organ reserve (Yin, Essence, Blood, Qi). It is the frequent

experience of East-Asian traditional herbalists that their clients'

contraceptive regime is proven insufficient after a few months of therapy. I

always warn the women I treat of this for that reason.



The herbals that are used to build such substrates are generally very non-toxic.

These 'Boosting' herbals have long been used for long periods of time, even

daily over an entire lifetime. Their mutagenic and teratogenic potential, in lab

animals at least, is very, very low.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Survey of Chronic Pain Relief Techniques

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 18 May 1995 02:35:37 GMT



Am surveying the net for successful techniques to relieve chronic

muscle pain. Survey results are being noted in weekly posting with

eventual goal of developing a faq. Am particularly interested in

exercise regimes,effective amino acid and nutrition therapy,meditation

and hypnosis scripts,hydrotherapy exercises,electrical

stimulation,relaxation techniques and anything else that you have

personally found effective in relieving chronic muscle pain. Each

posting of this message reveals something new. Please share your

successful pain relieving techniques so that they can be shared with

others. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Survey of Chronic Pain Relief Techniques

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 27 May 1995 10:17:14 GMT



bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller) wrote:

>

> Am surveying the net for successful techniques to relieve chronic

> muscle pain. Survey results are being noted in weekly posting with

> eventual goal of developing a faq. Am particularly interested in

> exercise regimes,effective amino acid and nutrition therapy,meditation

> and hypnosis scripts,hydrotherapy exercises,electrical

> stimulation,relaxation techniques and anything else that you have

> personally found effective in relieving chronic muscle pain. Each

> posting of this message reveals something new. Please share your

> successful pain relieving techniques so that they can be shared with

> others. 



I found boiled balsam plant was agood pain killer for asprained ankle. In fact it was alocal anesthetic.

It is aChinese remedy.

                               Michael Bailes

                                The Fragrant Garden

                                25 Portsmouth Road

                                   Erina 2250

                                N.S.W, Australia

             

We can complain that rose bushes have thorns or rejoyce that thorn bushes have roses.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: The 'Sweet Herb of Paraguay'

From: blas.oddone@connline.com

Date: Wed, 17 May 95 21:37:00 EST





I read your note on what you call 'The Aztec sweet herb'.  I am supplier of

medicinal plants from South America and specifically from Paraguay (where I

am from) and would like to tell you that the  Sweet herb.. exist from Mexico

to Tierra del Fuego.  There are about 70 varieties of this 'marvelous' herb

that some day this little herb will be one of the natural non-caloric

sweetener of choice for the entire Food Industry.  Among the 70 varieties,

the sweetest of all is presicely from Paraguay, and its scientific name is

'Stevia Rebaudiana Bertoni' and grows in the hot and humid subtropical

climate of Paraguay.  It has been scientifically determined that its sweet

compound the 'stevioside' (a glucoside) is about 300 times sweeter than

regular sugar. It has been historically (since ancient times by the

Paraguayan people) for; diabetes, obesity, gastrointestinal disorders (hart

and stomach burning), cardiotonic, anti-acid, hipertension, diuretic, and

for the elimination of uric acid.  I drink it avery day in ma  Paraguayan

green tea to neutralize the biternes of the 'Mate' (another tea made out of

the leaves of the Ilex Paraguaiensis'... Let me know if you are interested

in obtaining some of these products.   Reply to: oddone.b@connline.com

Best regards,



Blas





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: blas.oddone@connline.com,oddone.b@connline.com

Subject: Re: The 'Sweet Herb of Paraguay'

From: Paul Anacker <anackerp@rain.org>

Date: 20 May 1995 12:22:39 GMT



I'm interested in info about this and the other herbs of 

Paraguay. 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Paul Anacker 

 

PS - I'm using the net address the way you asked and also 

the way my editor captured it (blas.oddone@connline.com) 

to make sure one or the other gets to you.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: The 'Sweet Herb of Paraguay'

From: Paul Anacker <anackerp@rain.org>

Date: 21 May 1995 03:08:17 GMT



Oops! Sorry folks. I forgot to delete the POST 

field in the newsreader editor. 

 

pca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Stevia Rebaudiana Bertoni...

From: blas.oddone@connline.com

Date: Wed, 17 May 95 21:57:00 EST





Hi !



Just read your inquire on some herb for Diabetes.  In my country, Paraguay,

and currently in many countries in Asia, specially Japan, where they have

purified and tested this 'marvelous' herb the Stevia Rebaudiana Bertoni is

known by its beneficial effects on diabetes, obesity, cardiotonic,

hipertension and as a gastrointestinal medicine.  Since it is @ 300 times

sweeter than sugar but 'non-caloric' it is an ideal sweetener to replace

sugar or any other 'artificial' sweeteners (most of them carcinogenic like

nutrasweet (used in Coca Cola and Pepsi) and good to reduce weight.

I am a supplier of botanicals from Paraguay. Should you be interested in

knowing more about this product I could send additional info (literature)

and or would like to try this herb, please let me know.

Best regards,



Blas





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any good Herbs for Depression ?

From: peacock@cts.com (Torrey Peacock)

Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 03:41:40 GMT



In article <3pb65c$7h1@vaneyck.ahip.getty.edu>, nrozakis@getty.edu (Nick

Rozakis) wrote:



> Thanks...

> 

St. John's Wort has been used as a treatment for depression.  Probably the

standardized extract would be best to use this way.  The herb also has

some anti-viral activity, and, as a side-effect, an increased sensitivity

to sunlight.



-- 

Torrey Peacock

peacock@cts.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any good Herbs for Depression ?

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 20 May 1995 06:59:03 GMT



Torrey Peacock (peacock@cts.com) wrote:

: In article <3pb65c$7h1@vaneyck.ahip.getty.edu>, nrozakis@getty.edu (Nick

: Rozakis) wrote:



: > Thanks...

: > 

: St. John's Wort has been used as a treatment for depression.  Probably the

: standardized extract would be best to use this way.  The herb also has

: some anti-viral activity, and, as a side-effect, an increased sensitivity

: to sunlight.



Ok, once again on St. John's Wort: I don't think anyone should use it for 

depression.  It does contain an anti-depressant 

chemical.  Unfortunately, that chemical is an MAO inhibitor, one of the 

more dangerous classes of anti-depressants.  People who take MAOIs with 

many foods (particularly ones that contain large amounts of the amino 

acid tyramine such as aged cheese) and various medications (like 

stimulants) can have a sudden rapid rise in blood pressure that can lead 

to a stroke or even death.  



I doubt that St. John's Wort actually contains enough of this compound to 

be clinically effective.  However, I think that anyone who is going to 

use it for depression, assuming that they are taking it in quantities 

high enough to affect their depression, should observe all the standard 

dietary and medication precautions.  Read any pharmacology or medical 

textbook to find out what they are.



Also, depression is a serious condition and close supervision and 

regulation of antidepressant dosages is very important.  If you really 

think that you have depression serious enough to warrant chemical 

intervention, you need more help than just taking an herb tea.  I suggest 

that alt.support.depression is a good place to start.



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        Shrine of the Cybernetic Madonna BBS  213-766-1356

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Schizandra Technical Notes

From: kbj@mindspring.com (Brett Johnson)

Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 00:24:49 -0400



Here's a few techical points about Shizandra. It does raise neurotransmitter 

levels, which is most determinably the cause for stimulation. Secondly it does 

seem to have protective effects on the liver much like Silymarin or Siltybum 

(Milk Thistle extract/drug).



FYI





   National Library of Medicine MEDLINE Database



TITL: [Effects of schizandrol A on monoamine neurotransmitters in the central

nervous system].



AUTH: Zhang L; Niu X



ORGA: Institute of Materia Medica, Beijing.



CITE: Chung Kuo I Hsueh Ko Hsueh Yuan Hsueh Pao 1991 Feb; 13 (1): 13-6



LANG: CHI; Chinese



ABST: Schizandrol A (2',3',4',1",2",3"-hexamethoxy-6,

7-dimethyl-1,2,3,4-dibenzo-1,3-cyclooctadien-6-ol) is one of the effective

components in the dried fruit of Schizandra chinensis Bail. Previous studies

have found that schizandrol A exerts inhibitory effects on the central nervous

system (CNS).



For the purpose of elucidating the mechanism of inhibition, the

concentrations of monoamine neurotransmitters and their metabolites in rat brain

and the effects of schizandrol A on some receptors were determined by the

ion-pairing reversed-phase liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection

method and competitive binding assay. 



In the neurotransmitter studies, significant elevations of dopamine and its 

metabolite DOPAC (in striatum) and DA(in hypothalamus) were observed after 

i.p. administration of 50 mg/kg or 100mg/kg of schizandrol A. But the receptor 

binding experiments showed thatschizandrol A had no affinity for dopamine D1 

and D2 receptors. Serotonin receptors and alpha 1-,alpha 2-adrenergic 

receptors, and it did not affect the binding of dopamine to dopamine D1 or D2 

receptors. 



These results indicate that the inhibition exerted by schizandrol A 

on the CNS may be related to the dopamine system, and the increase of dopamine 

turnover has nothing to do with dopamine receptors. The concentrations of the 

norepinephrine metabolite MHPG andthe serotonin metabolite 5-HIAA showed 

changes in rat striatum and hypothalamusafter schizandrol A treatment, but 

norepinephrine and serotonin levels wereunaffected. (AUTHOR)



                 National Library of Medicine MEDLINE Database



TITL: [Effects of gomisin A, a lignan component of Schizandra fruits, on

experimental liver injuries and liver microsomal drug-metabolizing enzymes].



AUTH: Takeda S; Maemura S; Sudo K; Kase Y; Arai I; Ohkura Y; Funo S; Fujii Y;

Aburada M; Hosoya E



CITE: Nippon Yakurigaku Zasshi 1986 Feb; 87 (2): 169-87



LANG: JPN; Japanese



ABST: Effects of oral administration of gomisin A, one of the components

isolated from Schizandra fruits, on liver injuries induced by CCl4,

d-galactosamine and dl-ethionine and on liver microsomal drug-metabolizing

enzyme activities were investigated. 



Gomisin A suppressed the increase of serum transaminase activities and the 

appearances of histological changes such asdegeneration and necrosis of 

hepatocyte, inflammatory cell infiltration andfatty deposition in each type of 

liver injury. The repeated administration ofgomisin A (30 or 100 mg/kg, p.o., 

daily for 4 days) induced an apparent increase of liver weight in 

liver-injured and normal rats. 



Gomisin A decreased serumtriglyceride and lipid  contents of the liver in 

biochemical studies. Increases of microsomal cytochrome b5 and P-450, 

elevations of NADPH cytochrome Creductase, aminopyrine N-demethylase and 

7-ethoxycoumarin O-deethylaseactivities and decrease of 3,4-benzo(a)pyrene 

hydroxylase activity percytochrome P-450 were observed after the 

administration of gomisin A. Inaddition, gomisin A was found to enhance the 

incorporation of 14C-phenylalanineinto liver protein and to shorten the 

hexobarbital-induced sleeping time. 



These changes caused by gomisin A were similar to those by phenobarbital. 

However,gomisin A is distinctly different from phenobarbital in the finding 

that phenobarbital lessened the survival ratio of CCl4-intoxicated mice, but 

gomisin A did not. 



Our observation suggest that gomisin A shows an antihepatotoxicaction by oral 

application and also has hypolipidemic (mainly triglyceridemic)and liver 

protein synthesis-facilitating actions and that the enlargement of theliver 

seen with gomisin A is the adaptive hypertrophy which is due to the

induction of drug-metabolizing enzymes. (AUTHOR)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Issue 3 Vol 1  part 1

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 03:01:10 EST





Issue III, Vol.I        Pickle Creek Newsletter

March 95 part i



Notice to the reader:  The information contained in this newsletter is for

educational purposes only.  It is not to be used to diagnose any ailment or

prescribe any remedy.  It is not meant to be used as a substitute for

professional help.  It is intended to set forth historical uses of natural

remedies.  A person should consult a duly approved health professional for any

condition which requires their services.  This information is not intended

as a substitute for qualified medical care.



Aloe Vera



DESCRIPTION:



Aloe Vera plants have clusters of pulpy, thick blades, usually prickly at the

edges and tip, bearing erect spikes of yellow, orange or red flowers, that

appear most of the year.



GROWTH AND PROPOGATION:



Aloe Vera needs full sun or light shady areas to grow in and a frost-free

climate. The soil should be lightly sandy and well drained. Seeds should be

sown in mid-spring with regular temperature at 70 deg. F.  Aloe produces

offshoots which may be removed in summer when they are a few inches in height,

and dried for 2 days before replanting.  The soil should be 2 parts compost and

1 part medium gritty sand.  Aloe is an excellent indoor plant as it must

maintain a minimum of 41 deg. F. in order to thrive.



CULINARY USES:  NO CULINARY USES 



MEDICINAL  USES:



The Aloe Vera plant contains salicylates, the same painkilling and

anti-inflammatory compound found in aspirin. It also contains

magnesium lactate, a substance which is capable of causing skin

irritation and itching in some individuals.



The gel pulp of the leaves may provide temporary pain relief and aids in

healing minor burns,  scrapes, cuts, skin ulcers, cold sores, pressure sores,

and sunburn.  Aloe Vera helps to break down dead tissue and promotes the

regeneration of new tissue in minor cuts, scrapes, and rashes.  Aloe Vera also

helps repair cold damaged/chapped skin and can reduce the damage caused

by frostbite.



Aloe Vera is best left exposed to open air, so leave the wound lightly covered

or exposed if possible.  It should not be used on burns that are more than

skin-deep, or skin ulcer larger than a dime.



Fresh Aloe Vera gel is much more potent than gel that has been stored and

added to commercial preparations.  Cut leaves from plant as needed. There are

no known long term methods of preservation at present, although Aloe Vera gel

is available that contains 99.9% Aloe Vera.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: Issue 3 Vol 1 mar pt2

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 03:01:11 EST





Issue III, Vol.I         Pickle Creek Newsletter

March 95 part ii



================================================================================



COSMETIC USES:



Fresh Aloe Vera gel is a useful emollient hair conditioner.  Break open the

leaf, rub the gel through your hair, wait 15 minutes, then shampoo thoroughly.



Use the leaf gel to make a soothing and healing moisturizing cream especially

for dry skin. Crush the leaves or slice them and apply as a poultice for

chapped skin, dermatitis, and eczema.  They can also supply some relief for

the itching and swelling of insect bites and psoriasis.



WARNING:



Do not take Aloe Vera gel internally, the sap is a strong laxative.

(Tried it! yikes what a laxative).  Some people are hypersensitive to Aloe

Vera and will develop a rash.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Issue 4 Vol 1 apr pt2

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 03:01:12 EST





Issue IV, Vol. I          Pickle Creek Newsletter

April 1995 part ii

================================================================================

 

COMPANION PLANTING:  Common stinging nettle (Urtica dioica) when grown near

certain plants, intensifies their essential oil content.  In the case of

Angelica, this is increased by as much as 80 percent. 

 

HARVESTING:  The stems and leaves can be cut and used at any time; however,

their full flavor and size are best just before the plant flowers in its second

year.  The leaves may be cut from the stems and laid on sheets of clean paper

or on racks, and left in a shady, place until dry.  When the leaves are

brittle, crumble them and store in air tight containers. 

 

Roots should be dug up in autumn of the first year.  Harvest by digging,

washing, and storing in an airy, dry place until needed.  Dry roots thoroughly

before using them. 

 

Ripe seeds should be collected in late summer, just before they begin to fall.

Snip off and dry the whole flower head.  Sift out any dried husk and stalks.

The seed should be stored in airtight containers for household use.  If the

seeds are required for planting, do this within a week, while they are still

very fresh.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: Issue 4 Vol 1 apr pt1

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 03:01:12 EST





Issue IV, Vol. I           Pickle Creek Newsletter

April 1995  part i





Notice to the reader:  The information contained in this newsletter is for

educational purposes only. It is not to be used to diagnose any ailment or

prescribe any remedy.  It is not meant to be used as a substitute for

professional help.  It is intended to set forth historical uses of natural

remedies.  A person should consult a duly approved health professional for

any condition which requires their services.  This information is not intended

as a substitute for qualified medical care.

================================================================================



ANGELICA 

 

DESCRIPTION:  Angelica (Angelica Archangelica) is a biennial with serrated,

bright, divided green leaves and hollow stems with a celery-like texture. The

self-seeding greenish white flowers bloom in late spring in the second year of

growth.  It grows from 3 to 8 feet in height. Its tiny flowers are gathered

into one large umbrel and its large leaves are divided into small leaflets

arranged in groups of three. When not allowed to flower at all by frequent

cutting of the stems, the plant will continue to flourish for several seasons

instead of the usual two years.  Angelica is characterized by a unique essence,

giving it a delicately sweet and fresh smell. 

 

GROWTH AND PROPOGATION:  Angelica thrives in colder, northern climates, growing

well in rich deep, moist humous soil mixed with a handful of balanced

fertilizer and in partially shaded areas.  Allow the plant to self seed or sow

fresh in early autumn.  Angelica seeds lose most of there viability within

three months so seeds are best used within that time period.  The seed can be

sown in prepared boxes or in open ground.  Germination time is about 21 days

and when the seedlings are about 3 inches high, replant them approximately 3

feet apart in a moist, shady place.  Rich soil and some shelter are essential

for maximum maximum growth.  The plant will become stunted and the leaves turn

yellow when planted in poor ground.  Seedlings should be transplanted in spring

before the taproots become established.  The plants take about 70 days to

mature. 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Issue 4 Vol 1 apr pt3

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 03:01:13 EST





Issue IV, Vol. I            Pickle Creek Newsletter

April 1995  part iii



================================================================================



CULINARY USES:  Angelica has strong, clean flavor that permeates heavy syrup

and because it chrystalizes well is best known in its candied form.  The bright

green stems are used to decorate cakes, trifles and rich fruit cakes.  Dilute

Angelica syrup for summer drinks, and add to fruit salads and ice cream to give

them character. Historically all parts of the parts of the plant were used. 

 

The sweet fragrant leaves can be added to preserves or fruit dishes, or dried

and used as a tension reducing tea.  The leafy stalks can be cooked with tart

fruits such as goose berries, green apples, plums or rhubarb or used in jams

and jellies to reduce tartness and cut sugar requirement.  The roots and stems

can be cooked and eaten like a vegetable.  The fresh picked young leaves are

delicious when simmered lightly in a little salted water until tender while the

young stalks can be sauted like celery and served with a white sauce. 

 

Angelica has a similar taste to that of juniper and like the juniper, the oils

made from the leaves, roots, and seeds are an important ingredient used to

flavor gin and liqueurs such as Benedictine and Chartreuse and in vermouth. The

earliest liqueurs were prepared in mediaeval monasteries, originally as

medicines. 

 

CANDIED ANGELICA:  Cut narrow, young stems of Angelica into 2 1/2 inch lengths.

Wash well and then cook in a saucepan of boiling water until they are tender.

Drain well and peel off any tough outer skin. 

 

Weigh the cooked Angelica and measure out an equal amount of caster sugar.

Layer the angelica and the sugar in a dish, cover and leave for 1-2 days until

the sugar has liquified. 

 

Place the sugar and Angelica in a saucepan and heat gently until the liquid has

nearly evaporated.  Remove the Angelica and place on a wire rack.  Leave in a

warm place for a couple of days until it is dry.  Pack the candied Angelica in

an airtight jar until required. 

 

ANGELICA LIQUEUR:  Chop 1 pound of fresh Angelica stalks into fine pieces.  Add

2 cups of brandy and pour into a glass bottle.  Seal the bottle well and leave

in a sunny spot for approximately 2 weeks.  Dissolve 1 1/2 cups of sugar in a

little water and add to the bottle. Leave to stand for a further 4 weeks.

Filter and keep the liqueur in an airtight glass bottle. 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Issue 4 Vol 1 apr pt4

From: odin@pproject.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 03:01:14 EST





Issue IV, Vol. I              Pickle Creek Newsletter

April 1995  part iv



================================================================================



MEDICAL USES:  As with other members of this family, the active properties are

highly concentrated in the seeds, although the stalk, leaves, and in the garden

variety, the roots may be used.  Its traditional use has been one of aiding the

digestion.  One old remedy for flatulence directed that the stalks should be

slowly chewed until the condition was relieved.  This was good advice since one

of the active properties in angelica is pectin, an ezyme which aids in the

digestion of food. 

 

Powdered Angelica roots will quickly expel gas from the stomach and bowel.  It

may also be of some benefit in bronchitis, and anorexia nervosa.  One of the

plants components is a resin that is stimulating to the lungs and skin.  In

cold countries where it is best known, Angelica was prized for its ability to

give a sensation of warmth when it was eaten or taken as a tea. 

 

Researchers have found that Angelica relaxes the windpipe, suggesting that it

may have some value in the treatment of colds, influenza, mild bronchitis and

asthma. Other research has shown that the herb also has some anti-inflammatory

effects, which may help in treatment of arthritis. 

 

Make tea from fresh or dried Angelica leaves and use as a stress reducing tonic

for colds and influenza and as a long term preventive against winter illness.

The tea also helps to reduce flatulence.  Use 1 teaspoon of powdered seeds or

leaves per cup of boiled water.  Steep for 10-20 minutes.  The crushed leaves

have an odd, strong, but not unpleasant fragrance and lightly sweet taste. 

 

Angelica has been known to help with motion sickness.  Pick large leaves of

fresh Angelica and crush them on the journey.  The scent helps allay nausea and

refreshes stale air. 

 

Angelica oil can be used as a soother for skin nerves.  The juice from the

plant is also useful for skin lice.  It will help to relieve the itching while

getting rid of the troublesome pest.  Rub the liquid extract directly onto the

lice affected areas. 

 

COSMETIC USES:  Chew on Angelica leaves to help sweeten your breath.  Angelica

oil can be used as a perfume or the leaves, stems and flowers, firmly secured

in a muslin bag, can also be used to scent bath water. 

 

OTHER USES & HISTORICAL INFORMATION: Can be used in potpourris. The history of

Angelica reaches far back into the folklore of Northern Europe, and in

particular, the countries of Lapland, Iceland, and Russia.  Angelica held an

important place in pagan rites and later in Christian festivals because of its

benign qualities in the physical and spritual worlds.  Angelica is said to

protect against evil spirits and witchcraft.  For that reason it is known as

"The Root of the Holy Ghost".  According to Midieval folklore, Angelica takes

its name from the archangel who appeared to a monk in a dream and revealed that

Angelica would cure the plague.  Thus, the herb was called Angelica, the

guarian angel. 

 

WARNING:  Great care in correct identification must be taken before using wild

Angelica.  Water hemlock, a deadly poisonous plant, has leaves that look like,

and may be mistaken for Angelica. 

 

Fresh Angelica roots are poisonous.  Drying eliminates the hazard. Do not use

during pregnancy.  Large doses can affect blood pressure, heart rate and

respiration.  People with a tendency to diabetes should not use Angelica as it

may increase sugar in the urine. 

 

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Subject: send info

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kava kava ?

From: greeff@alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Oliver Greeff)

Date: 18 May 1995 11:16:34 GMT



 I have been recommended to try Kava kava as a remedy for 

insomnia. I do not know anything about this plant. Is it rather

a drug (that you can get addicted to ) or more of a mild herb with 

no dangers (regarding longer use). Is the sleep healthy or just 

like sleeping after chemical remedies? Info welcome.

Thanks, Oliver. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava kava ?

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 18 May 1995 18:45:01 GMT



On Thu. May 18, 1995, greeff@alf.zfn.uni-bremen told All:

 

 gzub>  I have been recommended to try Kava kava as a remedy for

     > insomnia. I do not know anything about this plant. Is it rather

     > a drug (that you can get addicted to ) or more of a mild herb with

     > no dangers (regarding longer use). Is the sleep healthy or just

     > like sleeping after chemical remedies? Info welcome.

     > Thanks, Oliver.

 

It is specifically the ribozomes which grow on the roots of this shrub.

I use it very regularly. I have severe sleep apnea, and anything that

would 'knock me out' would be counterproductive to getting good sleep

(lack of REM, which I don't get much off, and sedative effects suppressing

my breathing more causing more disturbance). I sleep better and dream

better with it, and am less tired in the morning. I add Calea zacatachichi

to improve the dreaming aspect.

 

I have heard reports of physical problems resulting from heavy use, but

only in those areas where it's grown. I seem to recall a specific case

>from  Guam where peripherial blood flow problems were blamed on heavy use

several times a day. A few people become habituated. As to specifically

addicted (by DSM criteria, dependent), I've never heard of a case. I have

been on the lookout for any such cases, since I use it, and since

substance abuse treatment is my field. I entered this field, as have many

people, because of extensive practical experience. Suffice it to say I am

prone to excess and to the desire for excess. I have had no such desire or

behavior with kava despite the fact I thoroughly enjoy it.

 

While it may be available in more readily usable states than milled root,

I would suggest using this. You prepare it by steeping and squeezing a

bolus in cotton cloth in a bowl of water for 20 minutes or so. Having to

sit and do nothing for that time may well have much to do with the calming

effect as it contributes to the very relevant "set and setting", by

enforcing seperation from distractions and stressful behaviors. Even if

this is the case, I can only reiterate the powerful words of the famed

natural philosopher, Garfield; "Big fat hairy deal." It works for me.

 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava kava ?

From: jet@cinenet.net (Jet Silverman)

Date: 19 May 1995 07:40:09 GMT



I use Kava Kava from time to time and find it to be wonderful. It has a 

calming effect, and produces vivid dreams. It is used much like coffee in 

some parts of the South Pacific, so I assume it is reasonably safe.

I find that to be effective, I need to chew it or use it as a tea, taking 

it in capsules doesn't work.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava kava ?

From: mahbul@cam.org

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 09:20:23 -0400



In article <3phi0p$js@marina.cinenet.net>, jet@cinenet.net (Jet Silverman)

wrote:



> I use Kava Kava from time to time and find it to be wonderful.



Very interesting.  How did you learn about Piper Decumanum?  I have a book

on it at home and I always thought about trying it myself, but where do

you get it?  From what I read, its quite safe if you don't overdo it.  The

worst you can get is skin lesions.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava kava ?

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 24 May 1995 18:36:35 GMT



On Wed. May 24, 1995, mahbul@cam.org told All:

 

 mo> In article <3phi0p$js@marina.cinenet.net>, jet@cinenet.net (Jet

   > Silverman) wrote:

 

> I use Kava Kava from time to time and find it to be wonderful.

 

 mo> Very interesting.  How did you learn about Piper Decumanum?  I have a

   > book on it at home and I always thought about trying it myself, but

   > where do you get it?  From what I read, its quite safe if you don't

   > overdo it.  The worst you can get is skin lesions.

 

I've also heard of circulation problems in the extremities (which could be

associated with such lesions) and liver problems. These are isolated

reports from areas where it's grown and commonly available. I don't know

that they or any set of common symptoms have been varified. I get mine

>from  ...Of The Jungle. E-mail me if you want info; the advertising

police may be watching. No, I have nothing to do with the place other than

as a very satisfied customer. They send a pamphlet with background and

useage info with the order.

 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava kava ?

From: jet@cinenet.net (Jet Silverman)

Date: 25 May 1995 03:44:43 GMT



mahbul@cam.org wrote:

: In article <3phi0p$js@marina.cinenet.net>, jet@cinenet.net (Jet Silverman)

: wrote:



: > I use Kava Kava from time to time and find it to be wonderful.



: Very interesting.  How did you learn about Piper Decumanum?  I have a book

: on it at home and I always thought about trying it myself, but where do

: you get it?  From what I read, its quite safe if you don't overdo it.  The

: worst you can get is skin lesions.



I found out about it in a book called "The Way of Herbs". You can get ot 

>from  Herb Products 11012 Magnolia Bl North Hollywood Ca (Don't remember 

the Zip) I am in no way connected to the company. Nature's Way (I think) 

also has KK capsules you can find in health food stores.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava kava ?

From: eng4rhf@hibbs.vcu.edu (Richard H. Ferguson)

Date: 25 May 1995 09:11:31 -0400



mahbul@cam.org writes:



>In article <3phi0p$js@marina.cinenet.net>, jet@cinenet.net (Jet Silverman)

>wrote:



>> I use Kava Kava from time to time and find it to be wonderful.



>Very interesting.  How did you learn about Piper Decumanum?  I have a book

>on it at home and I always thought about trying it myself, but where do

>you get it?  From what I read, its quite safe if you don't overdo it.  The

>worst you can get is skin lesions.

Please forgive my ignorance, would someone tell me what Kava

Kava is? Thanks in advance!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava kava ?

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti)

Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:03:05 AST



On 25 May 1995 09:11:31 -0400,  eng4rhf@hibbs.vcu.edu writes:

>Please forgive my ignorance, would someone tell me what Kava

>Kava is? Thanks in advance!



Kava is a root of a small bush plant usually found in South Pacific (and

probably other tropical areas).



I is usually ground up with a little water and seived through a cloth and then

drank (?). It's main constituent is\are lactones. It is used by French

companies to enhance mulk production in lactating mothers.



Typically it is drunk in special cerimonial occations mostly by men (depending

on culture). The is an Island in Vanuatu (Tanna) where the custom is to get

young men\boys to chew it ( in liew of grinding) <yuk> before sieving and

drinking.



I found that after a hard day (in the tropics) one would go to the local kava

bar have a few shells (coconuts make fine glasses) go hoem and eat a little

somthing and then fall asleep and wake up fresh as can be. Some freinds tried

the intoxicating route (lots and lots) -> barf city.



In the early 80's, it was banned from importation to US. Don't know why but

things must have changed.



regards- tom c.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava kava ?

From: douglas.wiggins@nwcs.org (Douglas Wiggins)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:19:00 GMT





TC:Kava is a root of a small bush plant usually found in South Pacific (and

TC:probably other tropical areas).



TC:I is usually ground up with a little water and seived through a cloth and th



TC:drank (?). It's main constituent is\are lactones. It is used by French



Just thought I would mention that it has been known to be toxic in

combination with alcohol, according to a small, old book on the

subject. The chewing that you mentioned as part of the preparation

is necessary to release certain of the chemicals - the people that

do the chewing tend to develop a skin disorder. My information has

it that it is stimulating unless chewed, and then it induces a

dreaming sleep.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava kava ?

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 31 May 1995 05:19:38 GMT



On Mon. May 29, 1995, douglas.wiggins@nwcs.org told All:

 

 dwo> Just thought I would mention that it has been known to be toxic in

    > combination with alcohol, according to a small, old book on the

    > subject. The chewing that you mentioned as part of the preparation

    > is necessary to release certain of the chemicals - the people that

    > do the chewing tend to develop a skin disorder. My information has

    > it that it is stimulating unless chewed, and then it induces a

    > dreaming sleep.

 

Could I please have the reference? I'm collecting such references on kava,

old and new, to get a clearer picture.

 

BTW, my own experience with it contradicts the 'stimulating unless chewed'

part. I suspect the reference was noting the behavior of the users --

lowered inhibition. It can be a behavioral stimulant of sorts, similar to

alcohol, but pharmocologically it's a sedative, just as is alcohol.

 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava kava ?

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti)

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 18:52:18 AST



On 31 May 1995 05:19:38 GMT,  dynasor@infi.net writes:

> 

>Could I please have the reference? I'm collecting such references on kava,

>old and new, to get a clearer picture.

> 

>BTW, my own experience with it contradicts the 'stimulating unless chewed'

>part. I suspect the reference was noting the behavior of the users --

>lowered inhibition. It can be a behavioral stimulant of sorts, similar to

>alcohol, but pharmocologically it's a sedative, just as is alcohol.

>dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.

>



There is a French research institute called OSTROM that has done a lot of work

in the South Pacific. Sorry no address  etc..- tom c.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava kava ?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 30 May 95 18:21:16 PST



In message ID <9505301517415440@nwcs.org> on 5/29/95, Douglas Wiggins

<douglas.wiggins@nwcs.org> wrote:



: Just thought I would mention that it has been known to be toxic in

: combination with alcohol, according to a small, old book on the

: subject. The chewing that you mentioned as part of the preparation

: is necessary to release certain of the chemicals - the people that

: do the chewing tend to develop a skin disorder. My information has

: it that it is stimulating unless chewed, and then it induces a

: dreaming sleep.

: 

:   -Douglas Wiggins



I have heard these folktales, and they are utterly untrue. Kava in an alcohol

extract is very benign, wonderful and powerful as an occasional product for use.

And chewing is NOT necessary, though it does make your Saturday night gatherings

more communal.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HERBS ??? DRUGS ?? etc?

From: M.Schoggers@kub.nl  (Schoggers M.)

Date: Thu, 18 May 1995  12:56 MET



Hi all,

 

Well.. i have a little question.. i read a series of books in which

there were a few herbs/drugs, probably fictitious, still i want more

names of herbs/drugs that sound as exotic as they do...if it's 

possible. and what they would do, and what they look like, and if

u need to mix it with water or something to make a nice potion.

 

in the books were:

 

. nephara: invokes thruthfullness, vial thick green liquid

. thalot : a lethal poison, slow working, black powder

. oret   : heavy calming/sedative/sleep vial dark blue liquid

. naladium : calm

 

if u know some herbs or drugs that sound as exotic.. please post

them.. or mail me : m.schoggers@kub.nl

it would be nice if u knew that they do, or what they look like.

 

thanks in advance,

 

michael





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Methods To Release Endorphins

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 18 May 1995 12:07:50 GMT



Please advise via E Mail of effective methods to release endorphins

besides vigorous exercise, humor, hot peppers and sex.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Clover

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 18 May 1995 05:47:02 -0700



Anybody know the health benefits of _white_ clover?  I have info about

red clover, but white is much more abundant in my area.



I know it can be made into tea or flour, but does it have any medicinal

properties?



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I'm not sure if....

From: mikz@primenet.com (Michael Zalar)

Date: 18 May 1995 14:43:31 GMT







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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to enhance dreaming?

From: HEALY@biomed.med.yale.edu (Kimberly Coleman Healy)

Date: 18 May 1995 14:47:56 GMT



I'm aware there are various herbal teas that will induce sleep, but

can anyone recommend something that enhances REM sleep specifically?

I am reluctant to use mugwort because the Rodale Encyclopedia of Herbs

regards it as toxic.



Kim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to enhance dreaming?

From: dynasor@infi.net (Dennis McClain-Furmanski)

Date: 18 May 1995 18:43:42 GMT



On Thu. May 18, 1995, Healy@biomed.med.yale.edu told All:

 

 Hmye> I'm aware there are various herbal teas that will induce sleep, but

     > can anyone recommend something that enhances REM sleep

     > specifically? I am reluctant to use mugwort because the Rodale

     > Encyclopedia of Herbs regards it as toxic.

 

Calea zacatechichi, 'Dream herb'. It increase dream lucidity and the

physiologic measurements correlated to REM activity. At least it did for

me. I used it once before I went to the sleep clinic to make sure my CPAP

machine was still calibrated right for my severity of apnea. The EEG tech

knew my case and knew something was up just from the machine readings.

Down side: it tastes like sucking on a bar of soap.

Up side: a teaspoon full is enough and can be mixed in with other things

that cover the taste (and may well enhance the effect -- such as kava).

My source has 60 grams for $25, and that lasts me 2 months with nightly

use.

 

 * 2qwk! 1.26b3 * An informed citizen panics more intelligently.



--

dynasor@infi.net                                       The Doctor is on.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to enhance dreaming?

From: jet@cinenet.net (Jet Silverman)

Date: 19 May 1995 07:40:57 GMT



You might want to try Kava Kava tea.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: jet@cinenet.net

Subject: Re: Herbs to enhance dreaming?

From: Chud <jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com>

Date: 25 May 1995 06:54:28 GMT



jet@cinenet.net (Jet Silverman) wrote:

>You might want to try Kava Kava tea.



Would the tea be something that I might want to put in dream pillow as well?



-- 

					Laterness,	0 0

					Jim 	        _'_

jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com                                 U

(All flames are cheerfully ignored!)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com

Subject: Re: Herbs to enhance dreaming?

From: fashion-line <fashion-line.com>

Date: 26 May 1995 03:06:33 GMT



an extremely effective, and safe, vision/dream herb is dittany of crete. 

this member of the oregano family was used by the oracles at delphi and 

the pythons of thrace and egypt. it can be ingested straight or as a 

tea, used as a spice in cooking (it's killer in a marinara sauce(as 

long as it's not overheated)), or used as a component of a incense.



for the incense i recomend rose petals, peppermint leaf, dittany, 

sandalwood, and vanilla. an infusion of these herbs is also usful to 

charge black mirrors used in scrying.



yrs.



dawnwalker





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to enhance dreaming?

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: 19 May 1995 08:52:14 +0100



In article <3pfmms$p18@news.ycc.yale.edu>,

HEALY@biomed.med.yale.edu (Kimberly Coleman Healy) wrote:



>I'm aware there are various herbal teas that will induce sleep, but

>can anyone recommend something that enhances REM sleep specifically?

>I am reluctant to use mugwort because the Rodale Encyclopedia of Herbs

>regards it as toxic.

>

>Kim



That information is ridiculous. Mugwort (Artemesia vulgaris) is not toxic,

although Wormwood ( A. absinthum ) has few redeeming features. 



A number of herbs are associated with inducing or encouraging dreams,

however this is more in esoteric than medicinal usage. It is not necessary

to ingest these herbs at all to obtain these effects, you can use Hypericum

or A.vulgaris, and hang a freshly harvested bunch near your bed.

Alternatively use the flower essences of either plant. And buy a decent

reference book for heaven's sake. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to enhance dreaming?

From: ENZV88B@prodigy.com (Rhiannon Mcfadden)

Date: 25 May 1995 23:37:07 GMT



jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure) wrote:



>That information is ridiculous. Mugwort (Artemesia vulgaris) is not 

toxic,

>although Wormwood ( A. absinthum ) has few redeeming features. 



 While not toxic like its close relative, Wormwood, Mugwort should 

definitely be used with care.  If used properly, it presents no problems. 

 Women who are pregnant (because it is a uterine stimulant) or 

breastfeeding (thujone may be passed to the baby in the milk) should not 

use it. 



NightShade





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to enhance dreaming?

From: suez@goliath.stdavids.picker.com (Susan Zemel)

Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 13:07:32 GMT







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to enhance dreaming?

From: bella.kinney@channel1.com (Bella Kinney)

Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:18:00 -0640



I have burnt an incense of mugwort and uvus ursi for enhancing dreams.

Native americans used uvus ursi mixed with tobacco, referring to it as

kinikinick. I have smoked Uvus Ursi many times, although I don't smoke

Tobacco any more I still appreciate the dream enhancing effects of

winterharvested Uvus Ursi. Mix it with Deertoungue for a sweeter

smelling smoke.  A tea of Uvus Ursi is diuretic, so for dreaming, burn

it. Be careful and ventilate the room properly.  Reverend Bella Kinney





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Spiritual Growth

From: jonathan@mbisgi.umd.edu (Jonathan Dill)

Date: 18 May 1995 19:30:40 GMT



Hello people,



	I have just recently discovered that a long time friend of mine

shares my interest in herbs--it's funny that in all the years we have known

each other the topic of herbs has never before come up in conversation.  My

interest is in the possiblity of using herbs to foster spiritual growth, and

expand awareness, and i am hoping to connect with kindred spirits who have

used herbs for this purpose.



I wish you inner peace,



--jonathan



:::Jonathan F. Dill (JFD) <jonathan@indigo1.carb.nist.gov>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Spiritual Growth

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: 19 May 1995 18:00:28 +0100



In article: <3pg790$sqo@hecate.umd.edu>  jonathan@mbisgi.umd.edu (Jonathan Dill) writes:

> 

> Hello people,

> 

> 	I have just recently discovered that a long time friend of mine

> shares my interest in herbs--it's funny that in all the years we have known

> each other the topic of herbs has never before come up in conversation.  My

> interest is in the possiblity of using herbs to foster spiritual growth, and

> expand awareness, and i am hoping to connect with kindred spirits who have

> used herbs for this purpose.

> 

> I wish you inner peace,

> 

> --jonathan

> 

> :::Jonathan F. Dill (JFD) <jonathan@indigo1.carb.nist.gov>





Hi Jonathan and All,



How about Frankincense, used in Religious ceremonies and meditation for centuries.

Made into incense and the essential oil is diffused.



> 

> 

-- 

Graham Sorenson 

Guide to Aromatherapy URL 

http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: migraines etc

From: unlimited@aol.com (Unlimited)

Date: 18 May 1995 16:52:37 -0400



I just read 2 good threads on migraines and 5 minutes later thay have

disappeared from the newsgroup, along with one on licorice that had 10

posts.  Where did they go?  I'd appreciate an answer to this - maybe

there's something I don't know.  Also, people mentioned the newsgroup

alt.support.headaches.migraine but I couldn't find it in my newsgroup

lists.  How do I get there from here (unlimited@aol) please e-mail me with

these answers. thanks and love





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: mead,marriage&herbs

From: eng4kjw@hibbs.vcu.edu (Kristy J. Wiland)

Date: 18 May 1995 18:54:39 -0400





 my fiance and i are getting married and want to make mead instead of

serving champange for the wedding. we are wondering what herbs and

spices were historically used for weddings. the herbs/spices also

have to taste good together. we are copnsidering cinnamon, cloves,

and gigner purely for taste. if anyone has any ideas, please respond

here or e-mail me at eng4kjw@hibb.vcu.edu

 thanks. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mead,marriage&herbs

From: tiersah@aol.com (TiersaH)

Date: 25 May 1995 00:55:39 -0400



what a cool thought........I wish I could help, but I don't know a thing

about this...



Best wishes!!



TiersaH@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mead,marriage&herbs

From: jridgway@cris.com

Date: 25 May 1995 15:55:41 GMT



I don't know anything about making mead, but last week 

I purchased some that was just wonderful and not too

expensive.  It is called Chaucer's Mead and is produced

and bottled by Bargetto Winery in Soquel, CA.  It is

made from 100% pure honey with NO added artificial

flavorings.

Best Wishes!

Kelly R.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mead,marriage&herbs

From: sorenson@qns2.qns.com (Alissa Sorenson)

Date: 25 May 1995 22:36:35 -0500



p.s.  Rosemary is a traditional marriage herb, as well as orange blossom.  

Across traditions, rosemary means marital bliss and faithfulness.  I 

couldn't fathom a mead flavored with rosemary, but there it is:  The 

Encyclopedia of Herbs and Herbalism, p.89 (I was looking to see if there was a 

recipe I could forward to you) "Mead is flavoured with herbs such as 

rosemary, and spices such as cinnamon, mace, nutmeg, cloves and ginger."



Personally, I think I'd prefer marjoram :)! - Alissa





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mead,marriage&herbs

From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP)

Date: 26 May 1995 12:37:39 -0400



Aging time of mead depends on the mead. I've won three first-place awards

with sulfite-free mead, less than ONE month old. Sweet mead is ready

sooner than dry. Instead of making mead--I suggest you *buy it.

Elaine White





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: eng4kjw@hibbs.vcu.edu

Subject: Re: mead,marriage&herbs

From: Chud <jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com>

Date: 25 May 1995 06:52:14 GMT



eng4kjw@hibbs.vcu.edu (Kristy J. Wiland) wrote:

>

> my fiance and i are getting married and want to make mead instead of

>serving champange for the wedding. we are wondering what herbs and

>spices were historically used for weddings. the herbs/spices also

>have to taste good together. we are copnsidering cinnamon, cloves,

>and gigner purely for taste. if anyone has any ideas, please respond

>here or e-mail me at eng4kjw@hibb.vcu.edu

> thanks. 



Just to let you know.  A good mead takes at the very least, 1 year to mature.

If you try an and drink it before then it is awful.  I made a batch awhile back

and I was anxious to try it.  I did after just 3 months of maturing and it was

awful.  After a year's wait it was absolutely wonderful.  Just wanted to tell

you this in case your marriage is due within a year.



-- 

					Laterness,	0 0

					Jim 	        _'_

jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com                                 U

(All flames are cheerfully ignored!)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mead,marriage&herbs

From: sorenson@qns2.qns.com (Alissa Sorenson)

Date: 25 May 1995 21:30:59 -0500



Chud (jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com) wrote:

: eng4kjw@hibbs.vcu.edu (Kristy J. Wiland) wrote:

: >

: > my fiance and i are getting married and want to make mead instead of

: >serving champange for the wedding. we are wondering what herbs and

: >spices were historically used for weddings. the herbs/spices also

: >have to taste good together. we are copnsidering cinnamon, cloves,

: >and gigner purely for taste. if anyone has any ideas, please respond

: >here or e-mail me at eng4kjw@hibb.vcu.edu

: > thanks. 



: Just to let you know.  A good mead takes at the very least, 1 year to mature.

: If you try an and drink it before then it is awful.  I made a batch awhile back

: and I was anxious to try it.  I did after just 3 months of maturing and it was

: awful.  After a year's wait it was absolutely wonderful.  Just wanted to tell

: you this in case your marriage is due within a year.



: -- 

: 					Laterness,	0 0

: 					Jim 	        _'_

: jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com                                 U

: (All flames are cheerfully ignored!)



Absolutely right.  That's why it is suggested that you bury your mead in the 

backyard after you've bottled it. :)



Technically, mead made with herbs is called metheglin.  If you are still 

intent on brewing, you might try using orange blossom or peel, since orange is 

traditionally associated with love.  That would also blend nicely with the 

spices you've already mentioned.  Additionally apple, chamomile, and even 

rose petals could be used, you'd just have to decide what suits your taste.  



We'll be bottling our latest batch of blackberry mead (technically melomel, 

because fruit is used) this weekend, and we're going to experiment by 

bottling half the batch with chamomile tea added.



You might try asking someone on the rec.crafts.brewing newsgroup too.  Good 

luck! - Alissa Sorenson





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: sorenson@qns2.qns.com

Subject: Re: mead,marriage&herbs

From: Chud <jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com>

Date: 29 May 1995 04:54:33 GMT



>We'll be bottling our latest batch of blackberry mead (technically melomel, 

>because fruit is used) this weekend, and we're going to experiment by 

>bottling half the batch with chamomile tea added.

>

>You might try asking someone on the rec.crafts.brewing newsgroup too.  Good 

>luck! - Alissa Sorenson



Hi Alissa,



	The blackberry melomel sounds wonderful.  How did you introduce the

blackberries to the (wort)(not sure if this word applies to mead). Did you 

just steep them?



Thanx!



-- 

					Laterness,	0 0

					Jim 	        _=_

jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com                                 U 

(All flames are cheerfully ignored!)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mead,marriage&herbs

From: london@sunSITE.unc.edu (Larry London)

Date: 27 May 1995 03:31:06 GMT





More info on making mead + Internet mead resources:

-

>From  ngoforth@boulder.earthnet.net Thu May 25 00:35:29 EDT 1995

From: ngoforth@boulder.earthnet.net (Nelson Goforth)

Newsgroups: rec.food.historic

Subject: Re: Looking for Mead Recipes

Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 23:18:52 -0700

Organization: Earthnet Inc's InterNetNews site



The recipe that I've used several times for yer basic still mead is:



12 lb honey

4 tsp acid blend

5 tsp yeast nutient

14 g champagne yeast (2 pkg)



boil honey, acid blend and yeast nutrient with 1 gallon of water (you

don't really have to boil, or really even heat honey, supposedly, but I

do). Add to the fermenter with enough water to make 5 gallons. Pitch yeast

when the mixture has cooled to 90F or lower. (I start the yeast in a

little water and honey). Ferment 1.5 to 2 months. Age 10 months or better.





Also, try the Papazian book on mead for the variations on a theme

(melomels, hypocrases, cysers, and a history of the drink. There are some

internet resources on mead (and print as well - The Meadmaker's Journal

being one) but I don't have the material at hand.



_____________________________________________________________________

 Nelson Goforth                | 

 ngoforth@boulder.earthnet.net |  

 ngoforth@aol.com              |  

 71540.2446@compuserve.com     |





>From  mah48d@rohmhaas.com Thu May 25 00:35:52 EDT 1995

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:28:51 -0400

From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III)

Newsgroups: rec.food.historic

Subject: Re: Looking for Mead Recipes





Check out the Mead Home Page at



     http://www.atd.ucar.edu/rdp/gfc/mead/mead.html



I can't vouch for it, as I haven't been there, but rumor suggests it has

some useful mead-related information.



--

John Taylor    (W3ZID)      |  "The opinions expressed are those of the

e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com |   writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company."





>From  gowen@presto.cs.tufts.edu Thu May 25 00:37:29 EDT 1995

From: gowen@presto.cs.tufts.edu (Gregory Owen)

Newsgroups: rec.food.historic

Subject: Re: Looking for Mead Recipes

Date: 24 May 1995 11:17:57 GMT





	At the ftp site ftp.stanford.edu, in the directory

/pub/clubs/homebrew/mead, you'll find a recipe book that came from one

of the regulars of the Mead Lover's Digest.  It is called

BeesLees.txt.  There is also a FAQ and other related information

there.



Greg Owen { gowen@cs.tufts.edu,@xis.xerox.com } http://www.cs.tufts.edu/~gowen/

 1.01 GCS/GO d++ p+ c++ l++ u++ e+ -m+ s++/- n- h !(f)? g+ -w+ t+ r-- y?

 "I want to permeate the air you breathe/slide my way under your skin/place 

myself behind your eyes/and watch you, watch me, looking in." Katell Keineg





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mead,marriage&herbs

From: cris@america.com (Christine)

Date: 28 May 1995 14:58:26 GMT





Does anyone have a recipe to make non-alcholic drink with honey?>

Thanks, Christine





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mead,marriage&herbs

From: roger <Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk>

Date: 31 May 1995 01:50:38 +0100



In article <3qa32i$890@enterprise.america.com>

           cris@america.com "Christine" writes:



> Does anyone have a recipe to make non-alcholic drink with honey?>

> Thanks, Christine

> 

  Try the following: Put in a glass:-



  Strained juice of 1 lemon.

  3 teaspoons honey.

  2 crushed cloves.

  1 cinnamon stick.



  With a metal spoon in the glass, carefully add very hot water to taste.

  Stir.... A bit medicinal, but not bad.



  Cheers, Sheila. 

-- 

______________________________________________________________________________

               A dragon in shallows falls victim to shrimps.

______________________________________________________________________________





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to help tinnitus or ringing ea

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 18 May 1995 23:24:49 GMT



>I read in a book I have now loaned out that a certain herb could benefit

>the user with reduction of ringing ears. I recall that it was drank as a

>tea.  Any ideas as to what herb that might be?

> 

> 

> 

>"All vague notions must fall before the pupil may call himself a

>master."-Bruce Lee

>-Tdoyle aka the "mitman"

>                                                         

> 



  Ginkgo and Hawthorn (combination) is good for many cases of tinnitus.



  Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

  drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Seaside Herb Society Plant Sale

From: ylphillips@aol.com (YLPhillips)

Date: 18 May 1995 21:37:29 -0400



The Seaside Herb Society is a relatively new group which meets on the

third Saturday of each month at the Riverbridge Gardens Meetinghouse (at

the corner of Granada Boulevard (SR 40) and Beach Street [west side of the

Granada Bridge over the Halifax River] in ORMOND BEACH, FLORIDA.  For more

information, call 904/673-1995 or email to ylphillips@aol.com.



This Saturday, May 20, the Society is holding a plant sale as a fund

raising activity.  We will report on future meetings and activities here.

York L. Phillips, AICP (YLPhillips@aol.com)

Growth Management Consultant

Florida APA VP for Professional Development





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Veratrum Stamineum / Hellebore poisoning

From: kinnaman@eden.com (Kinnaman)

Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 02:26:44 GMT



Herb and Alternative Folks,



Today we received this request on the Allergy mailing list, but I fear

your newsgroups are more likely to have relevant comments.  I am

cross-posting this to both



alt.folklore.herbs and

misc.health.alternative 



in hope that someone can help.



Please send your replies to 



	wxyz <m940219m@EDS.ECIP.NAGOYA-U.AC.JP>



Thank you for any assistance!



 Pax,  Ballew



Ballew Kinnaman - Allergy list owner

(sub allergy Your Name to listserv@tamvm1.tamu.edu)



''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''



Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 17:11:13 JST

From: wxyz <m940219m@EDS.ECIP.NAGOYA-U.AC.JP>

Reply to: Allergy discussion list <ALLERGY@TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU>

To: Multiple recipients of list ALLERGY <ALLERGY@TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU>

Subject: info.Veratrum Stamineum/Hellebore



I would be very grateful if you would please inform me about a

poisonous plant called Veratrum Stamineum (apparently the plant is

known as Hellebore in the West.  It is a native plant from Asia).

I am posting this question on behalf of a friend.  She is gone to a

forest in Asia and she ate the Veratrum Stamineum by mistake and was

taken to hospital.  The immediate symptoms were (temporary)

convulsions, blindness and deafness.   Because she was in a remote

area, it took 40 minutes for her to receive medical treatment, and

although her blood tests demonstrated that there were no severe

consequences (she is having her liver checked again now) and she

recuperated her sight and hearing functions later, she still complains

about a certain pain in her ears.  It seems that she received a good

medical treatment and doctors said that the pain in her ears might

disappear in some days. Since my friend is not in her home country and

she does not speak the local language properly, she is still very

frightened by the experience and she is very worried about the 

consequences of the poison. Thank you very much, indeed, for any

information regarding this subject.

(end of message)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Veratrum Stamineum / Hellebore poisoning

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: 19 May 1995 16:11:54 +0100



In article <3pgvm6$rcl@boris.eden.com>,

kinnaman@eden.com (Kinnaman) wrote:



>Herb and Alternative Folks,

>

>Today we received this request on the Allergy mailing list, but I fear

>your newsgroups are more likely to have relevant comments.  I am

>cross-posting this to both

>

>alt.folklore.herbs and

>misc.health.alternative 

>

>in hope that someone can help.

>

>Please send your replies to 

>

>	wxyz <m940219m@EDS.ECIP.NAGOYA-U.AC.JP>

>

>Thank you for any assistance!

>

> Pax,  Ballew

>

>Ballew Kinnaman - Allergy list owner

>(sub allergy Your Name to listserv@tamvm1.tamu.edu)

>

>''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

>

>Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 17:11:13 JST

>From: wxyz <m940219m@EDS.ECIP.NAGOYA-U.AC.JP>

>Reply to: Allergy discussion list <ALLERGY@TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU>

>To: Multiple recipients of list ALLERGY <ALLERGY@TAMVM1.TAMU.EDU>

>Subject: info.Veratrum Stamineum/Hellebore

>

>I would be very grateful if you would please inform me about a

>poisonous plant called Veratrum Stamineum (apparently the plant is

>known as Hellebore in the West.  It is a native plant from Asia).

>I am posting this question on behalf of a friend.  She is gone to a

>forest in Asia and she ate the Veratrum Stamineum by mistake and was

>taken to hospital.  The immediate symptoms were (temporary)

>convulsions, blindness and deafness.   Because she was in a remote

>area, it took 40 minutes for her to receive medical treatment, and

>although her blood tests demonstrated that there were no severe

>consequences (she is having her liver checked again now) and she

>recuperated her sight and hearing functions later, she still complains

>about a certain pain in her ears.  It seems that she received a good

>medical treatment and doctors said that the pain in her ears might

>disappear in some days. Since my friend is not in her home country and

>she does not speak the local language properly, she is still very

>frightened by the experience and she is very worried about the 

>consequences of the poison. Thank you very much, indeed, for any

>information regarding this subject.

>(end of message)

>

>



Hopefully this person is recovered by now: Hellebore is one of the handful

of plants referred to in my post on toxicity that one needs to be certain

that one can  identify in order to avoid it. The American green veratrum is

a little less toxic than the European V. album. The puzzling thing is that

the rhizome is the toxic part  so this person has dug up a root without

knowing what it is, in land foreign to her and eaten it. Oh well......





The plant contains some viscious alkaloids which are cardiac depressant and

hypotensive. It was used externally for severe  trigeminal neuralgic

pain,and had a history of use in uterine toxaemia but was discontinued due

to its powerful and abortifacient effects -  as far as I know is not used

at all these days due to its high toxicity. Fortunately, as with a few

other dangerous plants, nausea and vomitting tend to prevent severe

poisoning. 



If you don't know what it is - don't eat it is the moral.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Stevia Rebaudiana for diabetes..

From: blas.oddone@connline.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 23:02:00 EST





This marvelous herb have been used since ancient times in many countries in

Latin America.  There are about 70 varieties from Mexico down to Tierra del

Fuego (Argentina), however, the variety with highest concentration of

'Stevioside' (its sweet active compound) is found in the Stevia Rebaudiana

Bertoni which grows in the Eastern region of Paraguay (S. America).  As a

native of Paraguay, and grown up in the country, I have used myself this

herb for over 20 years in the 'Mate' another 'green tea' originated in

Paraguay by the 'Guarani Indians' who also have used the Stevia to

neutralize the bitterness of Mate tea.  Among the main medicinal indications

of the Stevia R.B. are; diabetes, obesity, cardiotonic, diuretic,

antiflatulent and digestive.  This herb was extensively investigated by the

Japanese and currently, 41% of the Japanese's Food Industry is using it as a

natural non-caloric sweetener.

Should there be interest in this herb, please contact: oddone.b@connline.com

Thanks,

Blas





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Source for South American Herbs...

From: blas.oddone@connline.com

Date: Thu, 18 May 95 23:16:00 EST





I can supply a wide range of traditional medicinal herb and plants from most

of Latin American countries.  Our botanical sourcing laboratory is located

in Asuncion, Paraguay and have a well established network of collection

system in Brazil, Colombia, Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru, Argentina.  Should you

or your company are interested, please reply to: oddone.b@connline.com



Thanks,



Blas





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hayfever help?

From: scorcora@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Staci Corcoran)

Date: 19 May 1995 05:02:59 GMT





Does anyone know anything that could help alleviate hayfever symptoms??  

I would prefer to keep away from things that make me sleepy....

 

Thanks!

Staci





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hayfever help?

From: brumstik@interaccess.com (broomstick)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 20:10:22



In article <3ph8q3$irn@spool.cs.wisc.edu> scorcora@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Staci Corcoran) writes:

>From: scorcora@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Staci Corcoran)

>Subject: Hayfever help?

>Date: 19 May 1995 05:02:59 GMT





>Does anyone know anything that could help alleviate hayfever symptoms??  

>I would prefer to keep away from things that make me sleepy....

> 

>Thanks!

>Staci



Ma Huang does not make you sleepy and works against SOME hayfever - it's worth 

a try.  It is, however, pretty strong so beware of side effects (pounding 

heart, shaking hands, nervousness, etc.) and if they occur either cut the dose 

or quit.  MOST people can take it without problems, but avoid it if you have 

heart problems or high blood pressure.



Shots are not fun but they DO work for many.



I have friends that swear by homomeopathic remedies, although I have not tried 

this myself.  Again, worth a try.



If you have an air conditioner, make sure the filter is cleaned once a week - 

dust and pollen can accumulate there, at which point it tends to be thrown 

back into the air in your room.



Avoid going out early in the morning, when pollen levels are at their highest.



Eat a good diet and get lots of sleep - your body will be healthier and less 

reactive.  However, some folks find citrus irritating during the allergy 

season, so you might want to lean more toward vegees than fruit if you're 

having problems.



Rather extreme:  move to a desert area like Death Valley.  Very little pollen 

to cause allergies.



============================================================================

>---Broomstick---	|		My opinion - never humble

============================================================================





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hayfever help?

From: scorcora@picard.cs.wisc.edu (Staci Corcoran)

Date: 24 May 1995 05:07:11 GMT



broomstick (brumstik@interaccess.com) wrote:



: Ma Huang does not make you sleepy and works against SOME hayfever - it's worth 

: a try.  It is, however, pretty strong so beware of side effects (pounding 

: heart, shaking hands, nervousness, etc.) and if they occur either cut the dose 

: or quit.  MOST people can take it without problems, but avoid it if you have 

: heart problems or high blood pressure.



What is it and where do I get it?  Will there be suggestions on the package?



: Shots are not fun but they DO work for many.



I can't afford them, and they take years to take effect, sometimes.



: I have friends that swear by homomeopathic remedies, although I have not tried 

: this myself.  Again, worth a try.



: If you have an air conditioner, make sure the filter is cleaned once a week - 

: dust and pollen can accumulate there, at which point it tends to be thrown 

: back into the air in your room.



I can't afford to run the air conditioner often enough to make a 

difference.  Would one of those cheap little air cleaner gadgets help?



: Avoid going out early in the morning, when pollen levels are at their highest.



: Eat a good diet and get lots of sleep - your body will be healthier and less 

: reactive.  However, some folks find citrus irritating during the allergy 

: season, so you might want to lean more toward vegees than fruit if you're 

: having problem



Someone told me dairy products.  Between the two, that's a lot to 

avoid...



: Rather extreme:  move to a desert area like Death Valley.  Very little pollen 

: to cause allergies.



*giggle*  Hehee!  Maybe when I'm old and rich! *grin*



Thanks for all the advice.  If you can answer any of the other questions 

I have, please do! :)



Staci





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hayfever help?

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 27 May 1995 00:16:12 GMT





>: Ma Huang . . .does not make you sleepy and works against SOME hayfever -



>What is it and where do I get it?  Will there be suggestions on the

>package?

 

   Many people do not realize it but Ma Huang is the same as Chinese

Ephedra. I have allergies myself and ephedra (or a combination containing

it) is my favorite product.

 

>I can't afford to run the air conditioner often enough to make a  

>difference.  Would one of those cheap little air cleaner gadgets help?

> 



Probably not a cheap one. If it is a good air cleaner it will probably help.





>Someone told me dairy products.  Between the two, that's a lot to  

>avoid...

> 



Yes. Also helpful to avoid sugar, white flower, alcohol, most junk

foods, and foods you might be allergic to. Yes it is a lot to avoid. It

depends on how bad your symptoms are and how motivated you are.



  Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

  drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hayfever help?

From: bwind@BIX.com (bwind on BIX)

Date: 27 May 95 10:59:52 GMT





Although not an herbal remedy for hay fever type allergies, my wife

and I have had good luck this year with the a vitamin approach.

A good all around multi-vitamin and vitamin C (several grams).

It even helps me when we visit my parents and their cats.



Brian





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Try 'Stevia Rebaudiana Bertoni'

From: blas.oddone@connline.com

Date: Fri, 19 May 95 08:16:00 EST





Dear Pinsal,



As a native of Paraguay, where traditional medicine is still widely

practiced by the country people, I would like to suggest you to try the

'Sweet herb of Paraguay' with a scientific name of 'Stevia Rebaudiana

Bertoni'.  This herb has been indicated and commonly used among other

ailments, for Diabetes, as a cardiotonic, anti-flatulent, diuretic,

digestive and as a general tonic an ofcourse as a 'non-caloric' natural

sweetener for any beberage.  (41% percent of the Japanese Food Industry use

it as a natural sweetener (non-carcinogenic as 'nutraSweet in Coca cola).

You can drink it daily as a tea or to sweeten your 'regular' preffered tea.

This herb active compound the 'Stevioside' is @ 300 times sweeter than

regular sugar.  This variety only grows in the Eastern region of Paraguay.

Should you be interested in either knowing more about or want to 'give it a

try' please let me know.  I am a supplier of medicinal plant from South

America.  Please reply to oddone.b@connline.com

Best regards,  Blas





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kitty with FUS

From: lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Leesa J Kern)

Date: 19 May 1995 16:43:05 GMT



Hello!



I have a male 3-4 year old kitty (neutered) that I think is beginning to have 

FUS problems.  I thought he was blocked the other night, with the tell-tale 

straining, restlessness, repetitive cleaning of the penis, and general 

whininess (which really isn't much different, but with the other stuff....)  

Then, about 30 minutes later he was as normal as he ever was, jumping and 

playing with the other cats.



Anyway, I'm keeping a VERY close eye on him, but was wondering if there's any 

herbal treatments I could give him in a preventative capacity.  Obviously, if a

blockage DOES occur, I'll take him immediately to the vet, but if he does have 

it, it's the early stages.



What I'm looking for is something that will increase urine output and decrease 

the amount of sediment that could block the urethra.  I've heard that salting 

their food works to increase water intake, but I wonder if that adds more 

minerals to their urine (thus leading to blockages)?



Anyone with ANY advice at all, e-mail or posting is fine, I waste time with 

both :)



Blessed Be,



Leesa



******************************************************************************

Leesa J. Kern                          lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Dept. of Sociology, OSU



The French criticize the Americans for not giving the world anything but

rock 'n' roll and Harley-Davidsons.  But what else is there?" --Peter Fonda

******************************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kitty with FUS

From: nettie@digital.net (Annette Hensley)

Date: 20 May 1995 04:00:26 GMT



I don't personally know of any herbal remedies for your kitty's problem, 

but one thing that I have heard which will increase a cat's water intake 

is to place the water bowl in an area away from their food.  I don't know 

the feline logic behind this.  Perhaps they figure they had better get 

their fill of water to avoid those "long" treks back and forth between

their favorite resting place....afterall, it's hard for a kitty to cope 

on a mere 23 hours of sleep each day!  :)



Leesa J Kern (lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote:

: Hello!



: I have a male 3-4 year old kitty (neutered) that I think is beginning to have 

: FUS problems.  I thought he was blocked the other night, with the tell-tale 

: straining, restlessness, repetitive cleaning of the penis, and general 

: whininess (which really isn't much different, but with the other stuff....)  

: Then, about 30 minutes later he was as normal as he ever was, jumping and 

: playing with the other cats.



: Anyway, I'm keeping a VERY close eye on him, but was wondering if there's any 

: herbal treatments I could give him in a preventative capacity.  Obviously, if a

: blockage DOES occur, I'll take him immediately to the vet, but if he does have 

: it, it's the early stages.



: What I'm looking for is something that will increase urine output and decrease 

: the amount of sediment that could block the urethra.  I've heard that salting 

: their food works to increase water intake, but I wonder if that adds more 

: minerals to their urine (thus leading to blockages)?



: Anyone with ANY advice at all, e-mail or posting is fine, I waste time with 

: both :)



: Blessed Be,



: Leesa



: ******************************************************************************

: Leesa J. Kern                          lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

: Dept. of Sociology, OSU



: The French criticize the Americans for not giving the world anything but

: rock 'n' roll and Harley-Davidsons.  But what else is there?" --Peter Fonda

: ******************************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kitty with FUS

From: fu622@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Kimberly A. Huff)

Date: 23 May 1995 01:02:47 GMT





In a previous article, lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Leesa J Kern) says:



>What I'm looking for is something that will increase urine output and decrease 

>the amount of sediment that could block the urethra.  I've heard that salting 

>their food works to increase water intake, but I wonder if that adds more 

>minerals to their urine (thus leading to blockages)?

>

>Anyone with ANY advice at all, e-mail or posting is fine, I waste time with 

>both :)



First off, if you aren't already doing this, feed your cats at specified

time and remove the food between meals. Allow 20 minutes for eating. The

smell of food makes a cat's urine highly alkaline, which is what you want

to avoid. Also, feed a high quality moist or wet food, preferably the

latter. Dry food is highest in ash, the primary contributor to FUS. I give

mine Homeopathic Flower Remedies, namely First Aid and remove all food for

the first day that I notice the problem. They get baby food after this and

a little echinacea in their water bowl. You might also give 250 mg Vit C

once a day to help with making the urine more acid and cleansing the

system.

Daphne

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

Subject: Re: Kitty with FUS

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 23 May 95 22:52:23 PST



In message ID <3pihqp$dqc@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> on 5/19/95, Leesa J

Kern <lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> wrote:



: Hello!

: 

: I have a male 3-4 year old kitty (neutered) that I think is

: beginning to have  FUS problems.  I thought he was blocked the other

: night, with the tell-tale  straining, restlessness, repetitive

: cleaning of the penis, and general  whininess (which really isn't

: much different, but with the other stuff....)   Then, about 30

: minutes later he was as normal as he ever was, jumping and  playing

: with the other cats.

: 

: Anyway, I'm keeping a VERY close eye on him, but was wondering if

: there's any  herbal treatments I could give him in a preventative

: capacity.  Obviously, if a blockage DOES occur, I'll take him

: immediately to the vet, but if he does have 

: 

: it, it's the early stages.

: 

: What I'm looking for is something that will increase urine output

: and decrease 

: 

: the amount of sediment that could block the urethra.  I've heard

: that salting  their food works to increase water intake, but I

: wonder if that adds more  minerals to their urine (thus leading to

: blockages)?

: 

: Anyone with ANY advice at all, e-mail or posting is fine, I waste

: time with  both :) 



Try --one-- dose of Cantharis 30. Cats respond very well to homeopathics. I

wouldn't full around with herbals for this.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kitty with FUS

From: Alicia Cosgrove <ali00akc@unccvm.uncc.edu>

Date: 25 May 1995 12:26:54 GMT



Hi Leesa,



I hope your kitty is doing better. I'm afraid I don't know of any

herbal remedies for FUS, but I did learn a trick to get cats to take

in more water. Get a can of tuna packed in water, and give your kitty

the juice. I usually squeeze it out py pressing on the lid after I've

opened the can. Then refill the can with fresh, cold water and squeeze

again into kitty's bowl. You can get soemtimes 4-5 doses of 'flavored'

water out of a can. The more water your cat takes in, the better off

he is. This works well on a cat who might be off his food/taking in

less water because he feels lousy. Don't give him the tuna, though.

You might try feeding him small amounts of plain yogurt, about a tea-

spoon or so at a time. The cultures may help his body fight the FUS.

Some cats aren't interested in yogurt, tho, so don't be surprised if

your pal gives you the Hairy Eyeball for offering it to him. Of my

5 cats, three adore yogurt, one will eat it only if she thinks the

others might get some, and one will spend 5 minutes trying to scratch

up the kitchen floor to cover it up. If your cat has a chronic problem

with FUS, you may have to change his food to a prescription diet. 

Hill's C/D is the only one of know of (no, this isn't an advertisement)

and it's kinda expensive. But well worth the $$ to keep your cats

healthy.



You might want to check out the rec.pets.cats list to ask about how

others take care of FUS kitties.



Best of luck,

Alicia <ali00akc@unccvm.uncc.edu>

Mom to Pasht, Medusa, Trixie, Oliver, Apollo the Wonder Kitty and

Byron the poodle with an attitude

    

    "Don't sit in the cat's chair; she's the Witch's familiar.

     We try not to annoy her."





kern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Leesa J Kern) wrote:

>

> Hello!

> 

> I have a male 3-4 year old kitty (neutered) that I think is beginning to have 

> FUS problems.  I thought he was blocked the other night, with the tell-tale 

> straining, restlessness, repetitive cleaning of the penis, and general 

> whininess (which really isn't much different, but with the other stuff....)  

> Then, about 30 minutes later he was as normal as he ever was, jumping and 

> playing with the other cats.

> 

> Anyway, I'm keeping a VERY close eye on him, but was wondering if there's any 

> herbal treatments I could give him in a preventative capacity.  Obviously, if a

> blockage DOES occur, I'll take him immediately to the vet, but if he does have 

> it, it's the early stages.

> 

> What I'm looking for is something that will increase urine output and decrease 

> the amount of sediment that could block the urethra.  I've heard that salting 

> their food works to increase water intake, but I wonder if that adds more 

> minerals to their urine (thus leading to blockages)?

> 

> Anyone with ANY advice at all, e-mail or posting is fine, I waste time with 

> both :)

> 

> Blessed Be,

> 

> Leesa

> 

> ******************************************************************************

> Leesa J. Kern                          lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

> Dept. of Sociology, OSU

> 

> The French criticize the Americans for not giving the world anything but

> rock 'n' roll and Harley-Davidsons.  But what else is there?" --Peter Fonda

> ******************************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kitty with FUS

From: jennifer.thayer@merlins-realm.com (Jennifer Thayer)

Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 17:28:16 GMT



Leesa,

 In response to your kitty question:

-> From: lkern@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Leesa J Kern)

-> I have a male 3-4 year old kitty (neutered) that I think is beginning

-> FUS problems. I thought he was blocked the other night, with the tel

-> straining, restlessness, repetitive cleaning of the penis, and genera

-> whininess (which really isn't much different, but with the other stuf

-> Then, about 30 minutes later he was as normal as he ever was, jumping

-> playing with the other cats.

   Years ago I had a neutered male cat who sounds a lot like yours. Our

vet recommended a "low ash" food, which meant only certain varieties of

canned, no dry food. This diet eliminated the problem and he lived to be

15 with no further incidences.

                                                 jennifer





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Garlic

From: penname949@aol.com (Penname949)

Date: 19 May 1995 12:43:41 -0400



hello, I am new here, and looking for medicinal uses of garlic.  Also

recipes that rely on garlic as a curitave agent.



Thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 19 May 1995 11:23:00 -0700



Penname949 (penname949@aol.com) wrote:

: hello, I am new here, and looking for medicinal uses of garlic.  Also

: recipes that rely on garlic as a curitave agent.



: Thanks



*pulls out Ol' Reliable*  *g*



Garlic, according to Earl Mindell and several herbalist friends of mine,

is one of the best things you can put in your body.  It tends to reduce

blood pressure and blood lipids, helps the body fight infection, aids

digestion, and has been shown to have antitumor effects.  A little garlic

oil in the ear helps relieve earache, and oil rubbed on the skin helps heal

some minor skin disorders.  And it tastes terrific!  You can take the  

odorless capsules, or try stirfrying 2 or 3 cloves a day (cooking helps

eliminate "garlic breath").



Geez... now I want Italian food... *goes out drooling*



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic

From: janetm@online1.magnus1.com (Bulletin board login)

Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 14:16:33 GMT



Jennifer B. Jakiel (jakiel@crl.com) wrote:

: Penname949 (penname949@aol.com) wrote:

: : hello, I am new here, and looking for medicinal uses of garlic.  Also

: : recipes that rely on garlic as a curitave agent.



: : Thanks



: *pulls out Ol' Reliable*  *g*



: Garlic, according to Earl Mindell and several herbalist friends of mine,

: is one of the best things you can put in your body.  It tends to reduce

: blood pressure and blood lipids, helps the body fight infection, aids

: digestion, and has been shown to have antitumor effects.  A little garlic

: oil in the ear helps relieve earache, and oil rubbed on the skin helps heal

: some minor skin disorders.  And it tastes terrific!  You can take the  

: odorless capsules, or try stirfrying 2 or 3 cloves a day (cooking helps

: eliminate "garlic breath").



: Geez... now I want Italian food... *goes out drooling*



: -j

Jennifer -



I have been doing what you mentioned for years.  I have just recently 

heard, however, that cooking or otherwise processing garlic removes

it's beneficial properties.  I don't remember exactly where I heard

this, but I think it may have been the Food News & Views program on

the TV Food Network.



Does anyone have any specific info on this? 



Cheers,

Janet Morrissey



       +-----------------------------@--------------------------------+

       |  Janet Morrissey            @     The Truth is Out There     |

       |  "Mostly Harmless"          @          Trust No One          |

       |  janetm@online.magnus1.com  @         Deny Everything        |

       +-----------------------------@--------------------------------+





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic

From: Presser@netaxs.com (Daniel Dorff)

Date: 22 May 1995 01:21:56 GMT



>

>: Geez... now I want Italian food... *goes out drooling*



I've heard that raw garlic is more effective than cooked, though I can't substantiate this.



My favorite way to eat it is on bagels and cream cheese with a few cloves cut up fine, and sliced tomatoes on top.

It's delicious and doesn't taste as strong as directly eating raw cloves.  (Don't flame me about the

cream cheese!)



Daniel Dorff





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 21 May 1995 18:45:13 -0700



Daniel Dorff (Presser@netaxs.com) wrote:

: I've heard that raw garlic is more effective than cooked, though I can't substantiate this.



Garlic cloves can certainly be eaten raw, but my book also warns that 

too much raw garlic (10 or more cloves per day) can trigger an allergic

reaction.



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic

From: magnum45@netcom.com

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 11:34:33 GMT





To the best of my knowledge, raw garlic and cooked garlic BOTH possess 

medicinal properties- they only change when cooked.



Raw garlic is best if you want antiseptic or antibiotic properties.  

Howevre, as a method of treating high blood pressure, those particular 

medicinal proerties are not available UNLESS THE GARLIC IS COOKED.





Bulletin board login (janetm@online1.magnus1.com) wrote:



: heard, however, that cooking or otherwise processing garlic removes

: it's beneficial properties.  I don't remember exactly where I heard

: this, but I think it may have been the Food News & Views program on

: the TV Food Network.



: Does anyone have any specific info on this? 



: Cheers,

: Janet Morrissey



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic

From: tavia@selway.umt.edu (J Waldrup)

Date: 25 May 1995 10:20:22 -0600



In article <magnum45D8z9HL.KMo@netcom.com>,  <magnum45@netcom.com> wrote:

>

>To the best of my knowledge, raw garlic and cooked garlic BOTH possess 

>medicinal properties- they only change when cooked.

>

>Raw garlic is best if you want antiseptic or antibiotic properties.  

>Howevre, as a method of treating high blood pressure, those particular 

>medicinal proerties are not available UNLESS THE GARLIC IS COOKED.



This is the first time that I've actually seen anyone explain the 

difference!  Would you mind directing me toward the source of your info? 

I would like to learn more.



And FYI, raw garlic also has anti-fungal properties. If you have any sort 

of fungal rash, rub mashed raw garlic on it every day, about 1/2 hour 

before you shower.  When you shower, wash the area well.  It shouldn't even 

leave you smelling like garlic.





Joni





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic

From: George Scott <gscott@efn.org>

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 09:56:29 -0700



On 19 May 1995, Penname949 wrote:



> hello, I am new here, and looking for medicinal uses of garlic.  Also

> recipes that rely on garlic as a curitave agent.

> 

> Thanks

		You might try  the library for a book called "The 

Healing Benefits of Garlic"  by John Heinerman Ph.D.   Acres USA offers

the book for $11.oo in their catalog. (I'm not affiliated, just a customer)

	I am sold on the use of garlic for many ailments, besides, I 

like it! :-)

	



gscott@efn.org      ----------Towards extinction or towards the stars?  

                                 Which would YOU choose?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Thu, 25 May 95 08:46:00 EST



>My favorite way to eat it is on bagels and cream cheese with a few cloves cu

>p fine, and sliced tomatoes on top.

>It's delicious and doesn't taste as strong as directly eating raw cloves.  (



Ever try whole roasted garlic heads with a sprinkling of thyme?  Or garlic

mayonnaise (aioli)?  Yum.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Thu, 25 May 95 08:48:00 EST



>Garlic cloves can certainly be eaten raw, but my book also warns that

>too much raw garlic (10 or more cloves per day) can trigger an allergic

>reaction.



I've never read that too much garlic can cause an allergic reaction, but

it's a great antibiotic....the near equivalent of 1% penicillin.  Russian

hospitals use it as an inhaler for patients with asthma.



Diabetics should be aware that very high concentrates of garlic (such as

taking alot of garlic tablets and eating much of it raw) can raise or lower

blood sugar levels unpredictably.  That goes for all members of the Allium

family as well.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic

From: cosimano@cbl.umd.edu (Anthony Cosimano)

Date: 26 May 1995 12:05:19 -0400



karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net writes:

>I've never read that too much garlic can cause an allergic reaction, but

>it's a great antibiotic....the near equivalent of 1% penicillin.  Russian

>hospitals use it as an inhaler for patients with asthma.



I read that 10 clove of garlic raw is equivalent to one dose of penicillin.



tc

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Traditional Chinese Medicine

From: pdunn@hoptechno.com (Phil)

Date: 19 May 1995 17:46:54 GMT



There's stuff about Traditional Chinese Medicine in www.hoptechno.com.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urin

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 19 May 95 15:24:00 EST



>In <3p614b$cm9@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> amarclar@silver.ucs.indiana.edu

>(Amanda) writes:

>

>>

>> The header says most of it: I've had a urinary tract infection for

>>over four years, and I'm a bit tired of it by now :)

>>

>>The symptoms are mild to severe burning pain in my urethra, heightened

>>on discharge of urine, and relaxed after discharge.  The pain seems to

>>get worse when I'm sweating (exercise or heat) or have direct pressure

>>in the area (sex) and to get better about 15 minutes after I drink a

>>lot of water.  So I try to keep hydrated, but it still hurts.  I

>>usually hurt about every other day, depending on my activities.



The Doctor who replied to your message left good advice, especially about

the calcium citrate...I've been reading about that recently.



For an herbal remedy, I'd recommend Uva Ursi, also known as bearberry.  The

leaves contain 5-12% of the glycoside arbutin which the body converts to

hydroquinine.  The latter agent is effective against bacteria such as

E.coli, commonly associated with bladder/urinary infections.  However, the

leaves also contain high concentrations of tannin, which can lead to stomach

upset.  If you're using fresh uva ursi leaves, it's better to make an

infusion rather tan making a hot tea to drink.  Allow the leaves to set in a

jar of cold water for 2 days.  Then take 1-2 tsp. of the solution 3 times a

day.



If you will use a tincture of this plant, the doe is 1 1/2 tsp. with water

or tea 3 times per day.  The powdered for can be taken (250-500 mg) per day.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Of The Jungle?!?!!?

From: jkinzer1@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Joseph Lawrence Kinzer)

Date: 19 May 1995 20:24:56 GMT





	I am looking for the address/phone number to this company..



	If ANYONE could help, it would be nice of you.



	Dan



	jkinzer1@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Of The Jungle?!?!!?

From: winter@halcyon.com (Michelle Winters)

Date: 19 May 1995 22:25:03 GMT



		...of the jungle

		P.O. Box 1801 

		Sebastopol, CA  95473

		USA



Enjoy!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Of The Jungle?!?!!?

From: smit0262@gold.tc.umn.edu (Jacob W Smith)

Date: 19 May 1995 17:50:24 -0500



jkinzer1@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Joseph Lawrence Kinzer) writes:





>	I am looking for the address/phone number to this company..



>	If ANYONE could help, it would be nice of you.



>	Dan



>	jkinzer1@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu

The 1995 catalog is $2 from:

   ...of the jungle

   box 1801

   Sebastopol, CA 95473

   (no phone or fax)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Of The Jungle?!?!!?

From: ulom@nwlink.com (Ulo Melton)

Date: 19 May 1995 16:05:48 -0700



In alt.folklore.herbs jkinzer1@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Joseph Lawrence Kinzer)

said: 

 

 

> 

>	I am looking for the address/phone number to this company.. 

> 

>	If ANYONE could help, it would be nice of you. 

> 

>	Dan 

> 

>	jkinzer1@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu 

> 

> 

 

...of the jungle 

Box 1801 

Sebastopol, CA   95473 

 

Catalog is $2. 

 

Legendary Ethnobotanical Resources carries a similar product line. 

Address: 

 

L.E.R. 

P.O. Box 1676 

Coconut Grove, FL   33233 

 

Catalog is $3. 

 

 

When dealing with either of these companies, you'll get a much quicker

response with cash or money order than with a personal check. 

 

 

 

 

 

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to improve concentratin/memory

From: jasobel@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Jill A Sobel)

Date: 19 May 1995 21:24:01 GMT



Hi - I am posting this for a friend of mine who has rheumatoid

arthritis and is having problems with memory and concentration as

the result of her illness.  She doesn't want to take anymore drugs

as she is already on alot for RA, but she is looking for alternative

therapies to improve her cognitive functioning as she works full-time.

I have heard GINGKO BILOBA helps circulation and memory, has anyone

any information on this herb or any others/including amino acids which

I might recommend to her?



Please post me personally at jasobel@csd.uwm.edu.



Thanks,



Jill 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to improve concentratin/memory

From: amaclir@unibase.unibase.com (Aine Maclir)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 03:41:43 GMT



jasobel@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Jill A Sobel) wrote:



>Hi - I am posting this for a friend of mine who has rheumatoid

>arthritis and is having problems with memory and concentration as

>the result of her illness.  She doesn't want to take anymore drugs

>as she is already on alot for RA, but she is looking for alternative

>therapies to improve her cognitive functioning as she works full-time.

>I have heard GINGKO BILOBA helps circulation and memory, has anyone

>any information on this herb or any others/including amino acids which

>I might recommend to her?



Please keep in mind that whatever is recommended to her, she should

consult her doctor about it before combining it with the medication

she is already taking.  What many people tend to forget about herbs is

that many prescription (and non-prescription) medications are derived

>from  herbs and herbs can cause drug interactions that could be

potentially harmful.  Just because they are natural doesn't mean they

aren't potent or potentially harmful when combined with some drugs.  



Drug interactions with herbs are unfortunately something that many

herbalists aren't fully aware of as they have a limited knowledge of

medical pharmacology and most herbal reference books don't include

this information.



I don't know what training doctors go through in the US, but in

Canada, many graduating doctors today are well-informed regarding the

compounds in most herbs and can determine their interaction with the

medications they prescribe.  IMO, it's better to be safe than sorry.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: [Woad]

From: sorenson@qns2.qns.com (Alissa Sorenson)

Date: 19 May 1995 18:08:59 -0500



I just received the "National Anthem of the Ancient Britons", or the "Woad 

Song" over the soc.culture.welsh newsgroup.  It's wonderful, and hysterical, 

and it reminded me:



I have been trying to grow Woad for several years now.  My luck has been so 

bad that It's become an amusement for all my friends :).  I have one source 

for seed, but I can never get it to germinate.  I don't know if the seed is 

bad or if I'm just not doing the right things at the right time.  I live in 

Oklahoma, so granted it's probably not the ideal climate, but I've been 

babying them in seed flats, etc.  Lament, lament.



Anybody have any ideas, sources, experience?  I'll e-mail the Woad Song to 

anyone who's interested!



Thanks & Cheers! - Alissa Sorenson



p.s. This is my first post. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: [Woad]

From: pjmatt@apanix.apana.org.au (Peter Matthews)

Date: 24 May 1995 07:15:46 GMT



Alissa Sorenson (sorenson@qns2.qns.com) wrote:

: I just received the "National Anthem of the Ancient Britons", or the "Woad 

: Song" over the soc.culture.welsh newsgroup.  It's wonderful, and hysterical, 

: and it reminded me:



[....]



: Anybody have any ideas, sources, experience?  I'll e-mail the Woad Song to 

: anyone who's interested!



Sorry I can't help you with the horticultural problem, but I wouldn't 

mind a copy of the woad song.  Sounds like fun.



cheers,

Peter M





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: [Woad]

From: <Unknown> Roy Patchett

Date: 26 May 1995 15:42:33 GMT





>



>

I've grown woad in my garden in the UK for several years now.  Originally 

sown from seed, it has self-seeded ever since.  I've done nothing 

special, just ignored it!  Since the seeds have overwintered in the 

ground, maybe they need this period of cold dormancy (known as 

stratification).  You could try putting some sown seed in the fridge for 

a few weeks.  Send me the woad song by all means, I've never heard of it.



Roy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: [Woad]

From: sorenson@qns2.qns.com (Alissa Sorenson)

Date: 26 May 1995 20:15:13 -0500



Roy Patchett (Unknown) wrote:



: >



: >

: I've grown woad in my garden in the UK for several years now.  Originally 

: sown from seed, it has self-seeded ever since.  I've done nothing 

: special, just ignored it!  Since the seeds have overwintered in the 

: ground, maybe they need this period of cold dormancy (known as 

: stratification).  You could try putting some sown seed in the fridge for 

: a few weeks.  Send me the woad song by all means, I've never heard of it.



: Roy

Thanks for the tip.  I did try keeping the seeds in the freezer, and planted 

them the second year I had them, but still didn't get any results.  Maybe I 

let them freeze for too long.  Are you supposed to break the "skin" on the 

seed for stratification?



Here's the Woad Song.  I've e-mailed it to a few folks, but I'll post it for 

posterity.



NATIONAL ANTHEM OF THE ANCIENT BRITONS          Tune: Men of Harlech

(courtesy of Colin Douthwaite/soc.culture.welsh)



What's the use of wearing braces?

Vests and pants and boots with laces?

Spats and hats you buy in places

Down the Brompton Road?

What's the use of shirts of cotton?

Studs that always get forgotten?

These affairs are simply rotten,

Better far is woad.

Woad's the stuff to show men.

Woad to scare your foemen.

Boil it to a brilliant hue

And rub it on your back and your abdomen.

Ancient Briton ne'er did hit on

Anything as good as woad to fit on

Neck or knees or where you sit on.

Tailors you be blowed!!

Romans came across the channel

All wrapped up in tin and flannel

Half a pint of woad per man'll

Dress us more than these.

Saxons you can waste your stitches

Building beds for bugs in breeches

We have woad to clothe us which is

Not a nest for fleas.

Romans keep your armours.

Saxons your pyjamas.

Hairy coats were made for goats,

Gorillas, yaks, retriever dogs and llamas.

Tramp up Snowdon with your woad on,

Never mind if you get rained or blowed on.

Never want a button sewed on.

Go it Ancient B's!!

        - author unknown



Cheers! - Alissa





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbal remedy/cure for hypothyroidism?

From: Vonda Smith <vsmith@hpl.hp.com>

Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 00:10:31 GMT



Does anyone here know of a natural alternative to synthroid, a synthetic chemical used 

to treat hypothyroidism?  The chemical structure of synthroid appears after the sig.

Thanks



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: paul39@ix.netcom.com (Lawrence Paul JamesJohnson)

Date: 20 May 1995 03:44:11 GMT





        For years, scientists have told us there's no such thing as a

    "sex potion", but now they're eating their words.  Yohimbe, a

    compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree, has been

    found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.  

    Best of all, you can get it without a prescription.



        For a FREE REPORT summarizing medical research on yohimbe's

    effect on your "mojo", send an e mail request to:



                    paul39@ix.netcom.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: hbeng010@huey.csun.edu (snopes)

Date: 20 May 1995 04:00:49 GMT



Lawrence Paul JamesJohnson (paul39@ix.netcom.com) wrote:



> Yohimbe, a compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree, has been

> found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.  



  Unfortunately, not for each other.  A word to the wise: if you're not a

  Druid, you don't want this stuff.



    - snopes



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: bhamel@fas.harvard.edu (Barbara Hamel)

Date: 20 May 1995 20:03:01 GMT



Lone Wolf (dtstrs@leba.net) wrote:

: hbeng010@huey.csun.edu (snopes) said:

: >Lawrence Paul JamesJohnson (paul39@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: >

: >> Yohimbe, a compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree,

: >> has been found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.  

: >

: >  Unfortunately, not for each other.  A word to the wise: if you're not

: >  a Druid, you don't want this stuff.



: I really hope your not implying what I think you are...that druids are 

: homosexual! 



Get a grip, Wolf -- he's implying nothing of the kind.  snopes is merely

pointing out there's more than one way to "venerate" a tree.



Barbara "how in hell did you think those old-time farmers made the sap 

rise?" Hamel 

--

Barbara Hamel           |  Me, I just go up on the roof and hold a nine-iron

bhamel@fas.harvard.edu  |  over my head since my computers are worth more 

                        |  than I am.                        - Bill VanHorne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: Jo Walton <Jo@kenjo.demon.co.uk>

Date: 21 May 1995 10:19:44 +0100



In article <3plbvj$erp@fig.leba.net> dtstrs@leba.net "Lone Wolf" writes:

>     I really hope your not implying what I think you are...that druids are 

> homosexual!  If anything the traditional Celtic Druid was abstinate(sp) the 

> philosophy was that men give power and women absorb power.  Therefor the 

> female counterpart to the druidic order would have sex to raise energy . . . 

> founder's of tantra? :)  The male order would abstain from all sexual 

> activity to rais his power.

>     I realize there are many differnet view points on what a druid is but I 

> prefer the traditional Celtic beliefs.  I have a friend who would dissagree, 

> saying that all natural religions are druidic, ie Native American, 

> Aboriginee(sp), etc.  Which is not entirely incorrect, they all are simular. 

>  However the only natural religions to bear the name Druid was the Celtic 

> philosophy (technicalities ya gotta love 'em).



Sorry to rain on your parade, but where are you getting your information from? 

In the remscella of the Tain, Cathbad the Druid is shown fathering Connor on 

Nessa, thus quite decisively giving proof that male druids were not celibate, 

even if there were any such tradition. (Which there is emphatically not). 

Celtic culture was quite frank about sexuality  - which horrified many of the 

more "civilised" people who wrote about them - and they made jokes about the 

celibacy of Christian priests as opposed to the druids. Female druids were not 

celibate either. However there is no evidence or record of them practicing 

anything akin to tantric ceremonies - although there are sufficient analogies 

between Irish/Gaulish practices and Northern Indian practices that a case could 

be made for this. 



I think the word you are looking for when you refer to natural religions

is "shamanic". It doesn't appear that the Druids actually were shamanic - they 

didn't use trances or have much else in common with the Native Americans, but 

that seems to be what you're talking about. 



If you want any information about Celtic Religion try Ann Ross' _Everyday Life 

of the Pagan Celts_ or Webster's _Pagan Celtic Religion_ aka _The British Celts 

and their Gods_ and follow the bibliographies from there. There is a lot of 

modern pagan nonsense talked about the Celts.



-- 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: kate@bga.com (Katherine Catmull)

Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 11:47:53 -0600



In article <3plbvj$erp@fig.leba.net>, dtstrs@leba.net (Lone Wolf) wrote:



>     I really hope your not implying what I think you are...that druids are 

> homosexual!  If anything the traditional Celtic Druid was abstinate(sp) the 

> philosophy was that men give power and women absorb power.  Therefor the 

> female counterpart to the druidic order would have sex to raise energy . . . 

> founder's of tantra? :)  The male order would abstain from all sexual 

> activity to rais his power.



So druids did not _avoid_ women, they merely denied them their power. I see.



When asked his religion, my father always responds blandly that he is a

blue druid. Now I see what the "blue" might refer to, but then how did he

have six children?



Kate "underterred by the creepy email she got in response to her post on

the college gang-rape thread" Catmull



-- 

"Be the voice of night and Florida in my ear."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: kbrm@hevanet.com (Kevin Brott / Robyn Moore)

Date: 22 May 1995 06:12:56 GMT



>>> Yohimbe, a compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree, has 

Me:...                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>> been found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.  



>>  Unfortunately, not for each other.  A word to the wise: if you're not a

>>  Druid, you don't want this stuff.



>    I really hope your not implying what I think you are...that druids are 

>homosexual! ...

[pro-druid rant SNIP'd]



Uh, I think you were wearing the wrong coloured glasses when you read that 

response, really I do.  It was pretty obvious to me anyway, that what was 

intended was HUMOUR.  The extract "from the bark of ..." makes you attracted 

to TREES.  Hence the druid reference.  Do try to emulate the rhino a bit more 

when you're reading posts, they're ever so much more enjoyable (and less 

stressfull to boot), when you wear NewsGroup brand RhinoHide [tm](c)[R].



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: sneakers@neosoft.com (Charles L. Perrin)

Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 07:22:30 Central



In article <3pjoib$lrl@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> paul39@ix.netcom.com (Lawrence 

Paul JamesJohnson) writes:



>For years, scientists have told us there's no such thing as a

>"sex potion", but now they're eating their words.  Yohimbe, a

>compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree, has been

>found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.  



With other side effects, some possibly nasty (wanna become a psycho?).



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: phil@panix.com (Phil Gustafson)

Date: 20 May 1995 16:41:53 -0400



In article <3pjoib$lrl@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,

Lawrence Paul JamesJohnson <paul39@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>

>        For years, scientists have told us there's no such thing as a

>    "sex potion", but now they're eating their words.  Yohimbe, a

>    compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree, has been

>    found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.  





I think you mean "Yojimbo", which in turn means "fistful of yen".



Phil





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: hikaru%vikings@bts.com (Erik Schultz)

Date: Sun, 21 May 95 09:39:00 EDT



paul39@ix.netcom.com (Lawrence Paul JamesJohnson) writes:



>

>         For years, scientists have told us there's no such thing as a

>     "sex potion", but now they're eating their words.  Yohimbe, a

>     compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree, has been

>     found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.

>     Best of all, you can get it without a prescription.



  Hey, I don't need any sex potions.  I have a copy of End of Summer and I'm

perfectly happy.



  -Erik Schultz (hikaru%vikings@bts.com)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: taurus@ns1.ptd.net (Herm)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 13:06:57 GMT



In article <3pjoib$lrl@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, paul39@ix.netcom.com says...

>

>

>        For years, scientists have told us there's no such thing as a

>    "sex potion", but now they're eating their words.  Yohimbe, a

>    compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree, has been

>    found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.  

>    Best of all, you can get it without a prescription.



This is not a new claim.  I recall seeing it at least 20 years

ago, and it was just as silly then.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: geoffrey@ix.netcom.com (Jeff)

Date: 22 May 1995 17:43:34 GMT



In <D8zDrL.3nw@postoffice.ptd.net> taurus@ns1.ptd.net (Herm) writes: 

>

>In article <3pjoib$lrl@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, paul39@ix.netcom.com

says...

>>

>>

>>        For years, scientists have told us there's no such thing as a

>>    "sex potion", but now they're eating their words.  Yohimbe, a

>>    compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree, has been

>>    found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.  

>>    Best of all, you can get it without a prescription.

>

>This is not a new claim.  I recall seeing it at least 20 years

>ago, and it was just as silly then.  



Actually, there _is_ a prescription drug called Yocon (generic name:

yohimbine) whose stated purpose (as per the manufacturer, as listed in

the PDR) is as follows:  "YOCON is indicated as a sympathicolytic and

mydriatic.  It may also have activity as an aphrodesiac."  The PDR

further states, under "Action":  "...It is to be noted that in male

sexual performance, erection is linked to cholinergic activity and to

alpha-2 adrenergic blockade which may theoretically result in increased

penile inflow, decreased penile outflow or both.  Yohimbine exerts a

stimulating action on the mood and may increase anxiety."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: hr5@ornl.gov

Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 13:30:44 GMT



  Yohimbe, a

>>>    compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree, has been

>>>    found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.  

>>>    Best of all, you can get it without a prescription.



>Actually, there _is_ a prescription drug called Yocon (generic name:

>yohimbine) whose stated purpose (as per the manufacturer, as listed in

>the PDR) is as follows:  "YOCON is indicated as a sympathicolytic and

>mydriatic.  It may also have activity as an aphrodesiac."  The PDR

>further states, under "Action":  "...It is to be noted that in male

>sexual performance, erection is linked to cholinergic activity and to

>alpha-2 adrenergic blockade which may theoretically result in increased

>penile inflow, decreased penile outflow or both.  Yohimbine exerts a

>stimulating action on the mood and may increase anxiety."



I noticed that the GenRx(tm) database listed the usual dose of yohimbine as 

about 15 mg.  Why in the world do the Yohimbe tablets come in 1000 and 1500 mg 

sizes?  How much, if any, yohimbine is in the OTC yohimbe?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)

Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:38:51 GMT



In article <hr5.95.2FC48684@ornl.gov>,  <hr5@ornl.gov> wrote:

>I noticed that the GenRx(tm) database listed the usual dose of yohimbine as 

>about 15 mg.  Why in the world do the Yohimbe tablets come in 1000 and 1500 mg 

>sizes?



Yohimbe is the unprocessed bark.  



>How much, if any, yohimbine is in the OTC yohimbe?



Good question.



-- 

Steve Dyer

dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: Chud <jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com>

Date: 23 May 1995 05:23:23 GMT



>        For years, scientists have told us there's no such thing as a

>    "sex potion", but now they're eating their words.  Yohimbe, a

>    compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree, has been

>    found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.  

>    Best of all, you can get it without a prescription.

>        For a FREE REPORT summarizing medical research on yohimbe's

>    effect on your "mojo", send an e mail request to:

>

>                    paul39@ix.netcom.com



There has also been a recent study that links Yohimbe use to cancer.  Please

find out all there is to know about a substance before you put it in your body.

-- 

					Laterness,	0 0

					Jim 	        _'_

jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com                                 U

(All flames are cheerfully ignored!)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: fool@iinet.com.au (P J Cardy)

Date: 1 Jun 1995 02:45:25 +0800



Chud (jim_corrill@vnet.ibm.com) wrote:



: There has also been a recent study that links Yohimbe use to cancer.

: Please find out all there is to know about a substance before you put

: it in your body.



oh puh-lease. for every substance known to humanity, there exists

someplace a "study" that will link it to cancer.



money tends to make science unscientific, i'm afraid.



i once started reading a study linking pot to widened synapses

in primates, until i realised that they'd been injecting monkeys

with doses of THC equivalent to smoking hundreds of cones per day.



i saw another study on LSD and "holes" forming in brain tissue.

the phenomena they were looking for had to be subjectively

observed, the sample space was too small, and they had little

control group info.



besides which, our natural and human-made environment daily

pumps thousands of substances into your body which you don't

even know about, and i bet a lot of them cause cancer too.



get with it man! we're entering the era of the trash body.

wreck it then repair it, hack it then patch it. tech will

deliver us from its own evils. dig daddio?





fool

--

fool@iinet.net.au

skoodly bop. skoodly bop be-bop. yeah.

dig that crazy cat.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SEX POTION BREAKTHROUGH

From: dhull@nunic.nu.edu (Dr. David B Hull)

Date: 31 May 1995 01:15:43 GMT



Terry Early (terry.early@utmb.edu) wrote:



: >         For years, scientists have told us there's no such thing as a

: >     "sex potion", but now they're eating their words.  Yohimbe, a

: >     compound extracted from the bark of a West African tree, has been

: >     found to create intense sexual desire in both men and women.  

: >     Best of all, you can get it without a prescription.



To quote "Rodale's Illustrated Encyclopedia of Herbs" - a text for

any interesting kitchen !



" The plant yeidls yohimbine, which ... has been used in perscription

formulas intended to improve sexual performance." ...

"Like many aphrodisiacs, however, yohimbe bark is not all it is 

cracked up to be. It may cause temporary impotence ... and other far

more serious side effects"               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 



Better stick with a good red wine - administered internally; some

roses - for decor; and a long back rub !





<  David B. Hull                  Always interested in computer viruses >

<   Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?         Juvenal's Satires, VI   >  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chinese herbal statistics

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 19 May 95 21:42:09 PST



FYI from Duke & Ayensu, ''Medicinal Plants of China" (1985):



"An information bank on the source material of Chinese medicines has been

established at the Chinese University of Hong Kong (Chang, 1980; But, et al.,

1981). Analysis of the data has shown that 



a total of 240 families, 1,544 genera, and 4,941 species of vascular plants are

employed as medicine. 



Since the total vascular plant flora of China is approximately 287 families,

2,949 genera, and 26,092 species, the results indicate that about 84% of

families, 52% of genera, and 19% of the species have some medicinal value. There

are 71 medicinal gymnosperm species, 627 medicinal monocots, and 4,016 medicinal

dicots.



Families having large numbers of species chosen as medicine in China are shown

below.



Compositae (Asteraceae)......................354 medicinal species

Leguminosae (Fabaceae).......................354 " "

Rosaceae......................................................203

Ranunculaceae...........................................188

Labiatae (Lamiaceae).............................168

Liliaceae.......................................................157

Umbelliferae (Apiaceae)........................121

Orchidaceae...............................................102

Scrophulariaceae........................................99

Asclepiadaceae............................................98

Rubiaceae......................................................92

Euphorbiaceae.............................................80



Fifty-one percent of Chinese Solanaceae species are used as medicine, as are 47%

of the Rutaceae. Of the Chinese medicinal plant flora, 1,318 species are used

for anti-rheumatism value, including 70 species of Ranunculaceae and 26 Araceae

(But, et al., 1981).



========

Of course, I make no assumptions of what 'anti-rheumatism value' means (no basis

for this term is given), and assume that these numbers reflect folk usage as

well as materia medica. 



Of course #2, this is only the vascular plants. The total number of medicinal

materials is huge. These numbers could be correlated with those in Perry,

"Medicinal Plants of East and Southeast Asia" (1980), which lists all usages of

plants in that (larger) region. I also am positive that a total list including

plants no longer commonly used, no longer available, or ignored in favor of 

better herbals, would be much huger.



Botanical healing has an almost unimaginably long history, vast empirical study,

nearly innumerable raw materials, extensive modern chemical study that has

barely scratched the surface, and



---combined with the synergistic and antagonistic aspects of formulation---



incredibly complicated chemistry.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pineapple Sage

From: winter@halcyon.com (Michelle Winters)

Date: 20 May 1995 05:42:34 GMT



I just acquired a Pineapple Sage plant... Can anyone offer some basic 

care & feeding tips?  All I got with it was a little tag that says 

"full sun", but no watering or feeding instructions.  I'm new to 

gardening...  Is Miracle Gro(tm) safe to use with this type of plant?



Any help, via posting or email, would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks in advance,



Michelle





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pineapple Sage

From: flyinggoat@aol.com (Flyinggoat)

Date: 20 May 1995 20:53:58 -0400



>I just acquired a Pineapple Sage plant... Can anyone offer some basic 

>care & feeding tips?  All I got with it was a little tag that says 

>"full sun", but no watering or feeding instructions.  I'm new to 

>gardening...  Is Miracle Gro(tm) safe to use with this type of plant?



If you live in California, the plant will get very very big.  Water it

like lemon verbena (sparingly but don't let it dry out.)  You could feed

it maybe once a month, but that would be encouraging it.  If it's left in

a pot, maybe it will stay small, but my mom's grew in a window box to 10

ft.  Hummingbirds really like it and may get territorial around it, so

watch your head when you go near it (they dive bomb people).  I use

Miracle Gro on everything.





Betty Cunningham(Flyinggoat@aol.com)

illustrator, animator, and likes to collect dead things





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pineapple Sage

From: Arthur Coyne <arthurpod@delphi.com>

Date: Sun, 21 May 95 22:01:43 -0500



Michelle Winters <winter@halcyon.com> writes:

 

>I just acquired a Pineapple Sage plant... Can anyone offer some basic 

>care & feeding tips?  All I got with it was a little tag that says 

>"full sun", but no watering or feeding instructions.  I'm new to 

>gardening...  Is Miracle Gro(tm) safe to use with this type of plant?

>

>Any help, via posting or email, would be greatly appreciated.

 

You're in for a pleasant surprise, Michelle, because pineapple sage is

a wonderfully hardy plant.  Last year I got one and the plant label

said it would grow to be 18 inches tall.  Well, by the end of the

season it was over 5 feet tall!  It also has a constant profusion of

flowers.  I'm not sure if it has medicinal uses, but as a garden plant

it can't be beat for ease of growth.  You probably won't need the plant

food ... but it probably wouldn't hurt, maybe would delay flowering

because of the nitrogen ... I'd say skip the food.   Good luck.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pineapple Sage

From: Kristeen Bullwinkle <bullwin@res.mpls.frb.fed.us>

Date: 24 May 1995 22:40:34 GMT



Arthur Coyne <arthurpod@delphi.com> wrote:

>>  

> You're in for a pleasant surprise, Michelle, because pineapple sage is

> a wonderfully hardy plant.  Last year I got one and the plant label

> said it would grow to be 18 inches tall.  Well, by the end of the

> season it was over 5 feet tall!  It also has a constant profusion of

> flowers.



It's not hardy in Minnesota.  I'm lucky if mine will bloom each year. 

I still grow it because of the wonderful scent and I like it as a

tea herb.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fenugreek as a galactogue

From: kimberly@spider.lloyd.com (Kimberly Shampo)

Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 06:41:17 GMT



Has anyone had success using Fenugreek as a galactogue (stimulant to

produce more breastmilk).  I have tried Blessed Thistle and it seemed

to increase it, however I experienced severe nausea afterwards.  I

have also tried Marshamallow via a capsule form and it to made me

sick.  I am afraid that these herbs might make my baby sick.



I would be interested in any sucess stories of using herbs to help

increase breastmilk.  I would like to stop supplementing my baby with

formula if possible.



Thank you for your suggestions.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fenugreek as a galactogue

From: oatstraw@twain.oit.umass.edu (ROBIN F HOWARD)

Date: 21 May 1995 19:01:54 GMT



Kimberly Shampo (kimberly@spider.lloyd.com) wrote:

: Has anyone had success using Fenugreek as a galactogue (stimulant to

: produce more breastmilk).  I have tried Blessed Thistle and it seemed

: to increase it, however I experienced severe nausea afterwards.  I

: have also tried Marshamallow via a capsule form and it to made me

: sick.  I am afraid that these herbs might make my baby sick.



: I would be interested in any sucess stories of using herbs to help

: increase breastmilk.  I would like to stop supplementing my baby with

: formula if possible.



: Thank you for your suggestions.



While I don't have experience with fenugreek (no experience yet, 

actually--7 mo. preg), there are some things I see consistently suggested 

to increase breastmilk:  B-vitamins, i.e., brewer's or nutritional yeast, 

etc., is a BIGGY; fennel, anise, caraway--the aromatic seeds; hops--herb 

tea or beer(!).  And, drink tons of fluid and nurse like crazy, since it is 

supply-and-demand.  Supplementing will only decrease YOUR supply.  If you 

absolutely positively have to supplement, do it AFTER nursing.  



Hope I don't sound too pushy, but I'm just passing along everything I've 

heard from moms who've breastfed successfully, now that I "warrant" lots 

of advice (having a hugely pregnant belly...).  And from childbirth 

educators, and the gazillion books I've read.



Luck to you,



Robin & dumpling

due sometime in July





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fenugreek as a galactogue

From: Mike Frizzell <frizzell@umbc7.umbc.edu>

Date: 22 May 1995 13:35:21 GMT



kimberly@spider.lloyd.com (Kimberly Shampo) wrote:

>

> Has anyone had success using Fenugreek as a galactogue (stimulant to

> produce more breastmilk).  I have tried Blessed Thistle and it seemed

> to increase it, however I experienced severe nausea afterwards.  I

> have also tried Marshamallow via a capsule form and it to made me

> sick.  I am afraid that these herbs might make my baby sick.

> 

> I would be interested in any sucess stories of using herbs to help

> increase breastmilk.  I would like to stop supplementing my baby with

> formula if possible.

> 

> Thank you for your suggestions.

> 



Hi Kimberly:



Although I can't vouch for its efficacy, I've read that a tea made from

fennel seed may help to improve lactation. I would suggest that you

consult an experienced herbalist for more information. At the very

least, obtain several comprehensive herbal texts (e.g. The Complete

Medicinal Herbal by Penelope Ody; Rodale's Encyclopedia of Herbs) and

see how they address this issue.



Good luck.



Mike Frizzell

frizzell@umbc7.umbc.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fenugreek as a galactogue

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 22 May 1995 23:33:12 GMT



>Has anyone had success using Fenugreek as a galactogue (stimulant to

>produce more breastmilk).  I have tried Blessed Thistle and it seemed

>to increase it, however I experienced severe nausea afterwards.  I

>have also tried Marshamallow via a capsule form and it to made me

>sick.  I am afraid that these herbs might make my baby sick.

> 

>I would be interested in any sucess stories of using herbs to help

>increase breastmilk.  I would like to stop supplementing my baby with

>formula if possible.

> 

>Thank you for your suggestions.

> 

> 

    Try brewer's yeast. It often works better than you want it to!



  Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

  drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fenugreek as a galactogue

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Thu, 25 May 95 08:21:00 EST



>Kimberly Shampo (kimberly@spider.lloyd.com) wrote:

>: Has anyone had success using Fenugreek as a galactogue (stimulant to

>: produce more breastmilk).  I have tried Blessed Thistle and it seemed

>: to increase it, however I experienced severe nausea afterwards.  I



All of the suggestions previously made are good, but actually the best

way to increase breast milk is to nurse more often!  Also, warm cloths help

the let down reflex kick in.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Multiple Slerosis

From: SPEDB@cf.ac.uk (DAVID BREWER)

Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 12:23:59 GMT



My sister has multiple slerosis,which is acompanied by arthritus & varoius 

intestinal & bowel problems probably atributable to a mixture of the disease & 

the medical techniques which have so far consisted of removing part 

of her reproductive organs & messing around with her hormones, this has caused 

many side effects including an increase in weight & migranes. In the search 

for some relief from these & many other problems she has recently made 

enquiries into alternative & herbal remedies which may be of help to her 

condition.



One company called "Forever living products" of Phoebix  Arizona have 

sugested that Aloe Vera Gel/Juice. 



Q: Does anyone know anything about the company's products?

Q: Will this or any other herbal/alternative product be of any use?

Q: Is there anything else which it may be worth researching?



She would be interested in hearing from other M.S. sufferers, & would also 

be interested in anyone who experianced a problem during delivery when born. 

She was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around her neck but has so far 

found several other sufferers who also experianced similar problems. 



Q: Anybody want to expand on this theory or is it just coincidence & is there 

a link?

Q: Anyother theories?



Brewer@cardiff.ac.uk





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: SPEDB@cf.ac.uk (DAVID BREWER)

Subject: Re: Multiple Slerosis

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 23 May 95 18:51:59 PST



In message ID <SPEDB.10.2FBDDF5F@CARDIFF.AC.UK> on 5/20/95, DAVID BREWER

<SPEDB@cf.ac.uk> wrote:



: My sister has multiple slerosis,which is acompanied by arthritus &

: varoius  intestinal & bowel problems probably atributable to a

: mixture of the disease & 

: 

: the medical techniques which have so far consisted of removing part 

: of her reproductive organs & messing around with her hormones, this

: has caused 

: 

: many side effects including an increase in weight & migranes. In the

: search  for some relief from these & many other problems she has

: recently made  enquiries into alternative & herbal remedies which

: may be of help to her  condition.

: 

: One company called "Forever living products" of Phoebix  Arizona

: have  sugested that Aloe Vera Gel/Juice. 

: 

: Q: Does anyone know anything about the company's products?

: Q: Will this or any other herbal/alternative product be of any use?

: Q: Is there anything else which it may be worth researching?



COMMENT: Using Aloe vera is a dangerously imbalanced therapy by itself. There

are two fundamentals in illness healing: driving out evils (Gong fa) and

supporting health (Bu fa). Obviously, conventional medicine knows very little Bu

fa and is obsessed with Gong fa and surgery (the ultimate in removing evils).

Aloe vera is VERY Cold propertied and will deplete Digestive energies like

nobody's business. MS is generally NOT an Excess condition per se. There is

Stagnation accumulation, but that is not an Excess Pathogen that should be

treated aggressively with Gong fa. Rather, it is critical to support health,

strengthening health balance so that this Excess can be naturally removed in the

course of things.



For that reason, great results will be achieved by practicing Qi gong or Tai ji

quan, which harmonize health, move and circulate Blood and Qi, and Restore the

Kidneys and Digestion (the twin Roots of health). Herbally there are several

possibilities ---depending on her actual complaints---not based on some

theoretical idea about 'toxins' or some such.



: She would be interested in hearing from other M.S. sufferers, &

: would also  be interested in anyone who experianced a problem during

: delivery when born.  She was born with the umbilical cord wrapped

: around her neck but has so far  found several other sufferers who

: also experianced similar problems. 



Such deliveries are VERY common, I believe about 1 in 4--so I wouldn't take too

much from that event.

 

: Q: Anybody want to expand on this theory or is it just coincidence &

: is there  a link? Q: Anyother theories?

: 

: Brewer@cardiff.ac.uk



See if there is a competent East-Asian traditional healer (perhaps an

acupuncturist) in your area. Proper herbal therapy and regenerative activity

like Qi Gong can be stupendously useful in such illnesses. She of course must

eliminate all stimulants from her daily diet, which includes the excessive sugar

load of daily fruit consumption.



Unless you come up with the homeopath from third blue heaven I would stay miles

away from that therapy, since the bungling stirring of any additional Dragons is

not in her interest.



I would be glad to answer any questions you have about this approach (post them

to the newsgroup, please, unless they are of a private nature).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Role of Amino Acids and Herbs in Pain Relief

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 20 May 1995 12:47:55 GMT



Please advise via E Mail of amino acids and herbs that are effective in

relieving chronic muscle pain. WOuld appreciate dosages and timing of

dosages. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Methods to Release ENdorphins

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 20 May 1995 15:24:43 GMT



Please advise via E Mail effective methods to release endorphins

besides, humor,vigorous exercise, hot peppers and sex. Results will be

posted in weekly postings.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Methods to Release ENdorphins

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 30 May 1995 06:01:15 GMT



Please advise of effective methods to relieve endorphins besides

laughter,sex,hot peppers and vigorous exercise.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release ENdorphins

From: whedon@netcom.com (Bill Whedon)

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 02:56:01 GMT



In article <3qecbb$gco@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,

Robert Miller <bob3@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Please advise of effective methods to relieve endorphins besides

>laughter,sex,hot peppers and vigorous exercise.



As someone observed earlier, a hammer blow to the thumb works well.



Bill Whedon





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release ENdorphins

From: jonathan@mbisgi.umd.edu (Jonathan Dill)

Date: 31 May 1995 13:07:18 GMT



Robert Miller (bob3@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: Please advise of effective methods to relieve endorphins besides

: laughter,sex,hot peppers and vigorous exercise.



Former Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders recommends masturbation.



All kidding aside:  Artificially stimulating the release of endorphins

is empty and unfulfilling, it will not change the circumstances of your

life--coming down will be depressing.



I suggest that you take a good look at the emptiness of your life and

seek spiritual guidance.



--



	--jonathan



:::Jonathan F. Dill (JFD) <jonathan@indigo1.carb.nist.gov>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release ENdorphins

From: anon2792@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Dan Clark)

Date: 31 May 1995 13:22:06 -0600



bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller) writes:



>Please advise of effective methods to relieve endorphins besides

>laughter,sex,hot peppers and vigorous exercise.



You could try to get your hands on a TENS unit (not sure what the 

abbreviation stands for).  If I'm not mistaken, it uses electrical

current to stimulate production of endorphins and to increase blood

flow to injured muscles.  I think sale of these are controlled; however,

I do recall someone mentioning on the net that they can be found 'used'

if you look hard enough.  Cost is significant . . . around $300.



DAn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to Release ENdorphins

From: aldridge@netcom.com (J Aldridge)

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 06:39:14 GMT





Lying around on a sunny beach, half in and half out of the shade. With your

best friend and a dog. 



Eating blue cheese dressing after fifteen years of abstinance.



Watching a really good movie.



Snuggling a baby.



Jackie



PS...It isn't what you do, it's how you do it.



.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Australian Herb Sellers

From: walcar@ipswichcity.qld.gov.au (Wal or Paula)

Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 19:11:52 GMT



I'm after some dried pyrethrum flowers for some flea powder that I want to 

make.  As I don't want to go to the trouble to grow it and dry it etc., I was 

wondering if there is anywhere in Australia that sells it.



Can anyone help?



Paula





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: garlic

From: mducey@ucs.indiana.edu (m.e.ducey)

Date: 20 May 1995 20:18:14 GMT



It is my  unprofessional understanding that  garlic is a natural antibiotic



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistant (4 year) urinary tract 

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 20 May 95 13:48:12 PST



In message ID <3pcja2$6b9$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> on 5/17/95, Bob

Ginsberg <72027.3405@CompuServe.COM> wrote:



: I am certainly not an MD, but real studies have been done 

: recently to show that cranberry juice really does help urinary 

: tract infections by preventing the bacteria from fixing to the 

: walls of the bladder and urethra.  

: 

: Try drinking 2 or more large glasses of real cranberry juice, not 

: sugar water with cranberry flavor, every day for a while.  What 

: have you got to lose, it certainly isn't going to hurt, and it 

: just may help.

: 

: Good luck.

: 

: -- 

: Bob 



Cranberry juice may very well make such a chronic problem worse! In East-Asian

traditional healing there is a fundamental principle: DO NOT ASTRINGE HEAT.

Cranberry juice is very astringent, and will predictably exacerbate Hot-type

chronic bladder problems.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gingko Biloba.  I tried it!!

From: "DA COSTA FRIAS, MIGUEL" <BLJO000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA>

Date: 20 MAY 95 18:37:12 EST



I tried Gingko Biloba with godly results:



  Anyways, I am a student at McGill University.  I have bronchial

asthma and allergies (severe).  I'm extremely concerned about

my performance in school and my marks.  Well, as it so happened,

I read in some science journals about Gingko Biloba and how it

improved memory and focus and how popular it became in Europe etc...

   One day, I wandered into the herbal health center across the street

>from  McGill, and I found gingko on the shelves.  It was 45$ plus tax

for just one months use!!!!!!!!!   At my first attempt at something

herbal, I bought it and used it for a month.  The product was called

Ginkgold, (50 to 1 concentration and 24% gingkosides or something

that sounds like that)  My exams started after 3 weeks of being on

it.  Something happened while I was studying for Linguistics 201A final

exam.  I was cramming and looking at hundreds of pages and charts which

I had never seen two hours before the exam.  Suddenly I realized that

I was memorizing at a phenomenal pace!!!!! I had photographically memori

zed dozens of in-depth charts which my friends had studied for days.

As it goes, I went into the exam and ended up with a 96% on the exam.

I must make it clear to anyone reading this that what happened

to me was completely ABNORMAL.  I had instant recall on anything in the

book during the exam!!!!!!!!!!!   To me, it was the equivalent of

aliens landing on the earth or something.

   Later on, I looked back and realized that during the past four

weeks, I had not even gotten one bronchial asthma attack (which

usually happens a few times a month).

    Honestly, the memory thing really scared the hell out of me.

I never thought that it would be THAT effective.   I only hope

that it isn't toxic or something. (I ran back to the store after the exa

m.) The sad thing is that once I stopped it (I could only afford one

month's use) , my memory went back to normal and my concentration

and thinking rate went back to normal....   (that sucks)

   In case any of you decided to try it, make sure you try it at

the concentration I told you above, otherwise it'll probably be too

weak.  Does anyone know where I could buy it cheaper, but

at the same quality and concentration as Ginkgold?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: What is Shogun Syndrome?

From: Pete.Rawlins@bigbend.com (Pete Rawlins)

Date: 20 May 95 17:45:34 CST



Hello.

I have a question regarding the nature of a disease and what

herbal and/or alternative treatments might be appropriate.  The

disease is evidently known as "shogun's syndrome"; the woman

diagnosed did not know the correct spelling.  She said another

allopathic physician suggested that she might have Lupus, not

Shogun's.  Any knowledge both she and I would appreciate.  I am

avocatively interested, do not treat in any fashion.  My working

hobby is in the Southwest, and I will gladly share that which

I have and am learning in  my desert wandering.  Pete



--- Maximus 2.02





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Shogun Syndrome?

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 21 May 1995 22:55:30 GMT



Sounds like what you might mean here is Sjogren's syndrome, which is an 

autoimmune disorder.  Basically the body makes antibodies to the tissues 

of the lacrimal glands (which produce tears and keep the eyes moist) and 

salivary glands and general connective tissue.  The forms that only 

attack the lacrimal eyes and mouth aren't too bad; quite uncomfortable 

and, if untreated can lead to blindness by scarring and drying of the eye 

tissues.  Therefore, special precautions must be taken to keep the eyes 

moist by using commercial artificial tears solutions available in any 

drug store; however these forms are not fatal.  The more severe 

forms attack the joints and connective tissues causing a kind of arthritis 

which is milder than rheumatoid arthritis.  Once in a while SS antibodies 

attack other connective tissues like the ducts in the liver, pancreas, 

pericardium (tissue around the heart) and lungs.  This can sometimes lead 

to pneumonia or other potentially fatal complications.  When these happen, 

MDs usually treat with corticosteroids; otherwise most books say to treat SS 

with the safer non-steroidal pain medications.



Lupus is a whole different ball game.  I'm sending you a factsheet on 

it.  Lupus is an autoimmune disorder that can strike anywhere in the body 

and which is often fatal when untreated.  My own opinion is that any 

alternative treatments for lupus should be used only as an adjunct to 

regular medical treatment and your doctor needs to know everything you're 

doing.  In fact, I think people with both of these conditions need to be 

monitored carefully and frequently checked out by an MD, preferably a 

rheumatologist, so that any dangerous complications can be caught early.

 

Whichever one your friend has, she's got my sympathy.  Autoimmune 

disorders are no joke.



Pete Rawlins (Pete.Rawlins@bigbend.com) wrote:

: Hello.

: I have a question regarding the nature of a disease and what

: herbal and/or alternative treatments might be appropriate.  The

: disease is evidently known as "shogun's syndrome"; the woman

: diagnosed did not know the correct spelling.  She said another

: allopathic physician suggested that she might have Lupus, not

: Shogun's.  Any knowledge both she and I would appreciate.  I am

: avocatively interested, do not treat in any fashion.  My working

: hobby is in the Southwest, and I will gladly share that which

: I have and am learning in  my desert wandering.  Pete



: --- Maximus 2.02



--



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Shogun Syndrome?

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: 22 May 1995 10:24:34 +0100



In article <3pogd2$ga3@news.primenet.com>

           camilla@primenet.com "Camilla Cracchiolo" writes:

> 

> Lupus is a whole different ball game.  I'm sending you a factsheet ...



Just for the record, Sjogen's syndrome tends to occur within certain

autoimmune disorders, such as rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus 

erythematosus (SLE) [as opposed to discoid lupus erythematosus (DLE)].



Some of the symptoms of SLE can be induced by certain drugs, such as 

hydralazine, procainamide and isoniazid. If drug-induced, recovery is

usually complete after withdrawal of the drug responsible.



Source: British Medical Association literature.

-- 

David Powner                   Internet: David@filtermx.demon.co.uk

Micronair {Pollution Control}  Phone   :(01782) 565816

1 Blackthorn Place             Fax     :(01782) 565834

Newcastle under Lyme           Data    :(01782) 562213 (24hr BBS to V32)

ST5 7BE          U.K.          Mobile  : 0831 879135





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Growing Ginseng

From: lowenbur@news.epix.net (Async User)

Date: 21 May 1995 01:13:13 GMT



I am interested in corresponding with anyone who has grown Ginseng. I am 

seeking to reintroduce it to an area (Pocono Region,Pennsylvania, USA) 

where it once grew plentifully, but was wiped out with the advent of 

worldwide trade in the 19th century. Strange to think that it was once 

thriving here, and now it can't be found-- though there are rumors of 

patches of it still surviving way up in the backwoods. (Isn't much of 

that left here either. It's turned into a NY City suburb, but that's the 

subject of another post.) Anyhow, I hope to hear from some people who 

have had good luck raising Ginsing, and who can give me some tips and 

encouragement. Thanks and regards.



--

Bill Lowenburg

Documentary/Fine Art Photography

<lowenbur@epix.net>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Growing Ginseng

From: sweeti@slip.net

Date: 22 May 1995 23:46:01 GMT



Hiyas.. :) My family grows ginseng in Indiana and Kentucky. My guess is that nature has taken 

care of the wild ginseng in your area..other than what has been found and dug. ;) It can be a 

difficult herb to grow, but well worth the effort. A couple hints..make sure the area is well drained. 

Water will simply rot it. It has to be moist..but no mud or standing water. In other words, keep it as 

natural as possible..very well shaded area and covered with leaves or leaf mulch. Also, it has a 

strong tendency to get disease and die away. So, it needs to be sprayed with some chemical. (I 

hate that part..but it is either do it and keep your plants..or risk losing them all :/) Now, once the 

red berries are on it, pick those and either replant them the way they are or shell them out. There 

are 2-3 grey colored seeds in each berry pod. The reason for picking the seeds off is so the birds 

and animals don't get them. Trust me..they will. (they must taste a lot better than the root! ;D) 



Goodluck! As you can guess..this takes a lot of time, in a way. Natural just seems to get rid of the 

wild on it's own..so precautions have to be taken to keep the tame safe. :)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Varicose Veins?

From: min@teleport.com

Date: 20 May 1995 20:42:48 -0700



Does anyone know of any herbs or remedies that help alleviate this 

problem?  I'm open to any suggestions!



-- 

min@teleport.COM  Public Access User --- Not affiliated with Teleport

Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-14400, N81)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Varicose Veins?

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 24 May 1995 23:44:49 GMT



>RE: Varicose Veins

>Does anyone know of any herbs or remedies that help alleviate this  

>problem?  I'm open to any suggestions!

> 

>--  

>min@teleport.COM  Public Access User --- Not affiliated with Teleport

>Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-14400, N81)

> 

  One often over-looked contributor to this problem is the

colon--particularly the habit of straining at the stool. The back pressure

causes distension of the veins (this is also the most common cause of

hemorrhoids). Daily fiber supplementation with psyllium hulls (1-3 heaping

teaspoons) may help considerably. Also possibly helpful will be retraining

yourself not to strain.

  Additionally, herbs such as Butcher's Broom and Rose hips may help improve

the integrity of the veins.



  Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

  drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Just Starting

From: dravas@nbnet.nb.ca (Rob Savard)

Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 23:33:48 -0500

--------

I have been interested in herbalism for a while now and would really like

to learn more.



I would like to know of some good books.



On top of that, I want to begin growing a small indoor herb garden...any

suggestions or tips on how to go about that and what to grow in the garden

(some thing simple).



Any advice would be greatly appreciated.  Please respond via personal e-mail.  



Blessed Be,

Jennifer Savard





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Stevia and Mate from Paraguay

From: blas.oddone@connline.com

Date: Sun, 21 May 95 00:06:00 EST





I am a wholesale supplier of Natural Products from South America.  Among

many medicinal plants from the vast tradicional medicinal herbal bank of

Paraguay and other neighboring countries, I specialize on a few with

notorious beneficial effects for such ailment as Diabetes and for weight

reduction; 'Stevia Rebaudiana Bertoni'.  Other medicinal plants include:

Pau d'Arco (Lapacho bark) and the Paraguayan Green tea (Mate).

Interested please reply to:  oddone.b@connline.com

Sincerely,



Blas





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginger

From: niteowl@crash.cts.com (Richard Stricker)

Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 06:53:18 GMT



After seeing Andrew Weil on Primetime or was it 20/20 last week, I

became intrested in the properties of ginger. according to him,

it's one of the most healthful properties one can take but I'd

like to learn more about what it's good for and its proper

use.



Sincerely,



Rich Stricker





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginger

From: jonathan@mbisgi.umd.edu (Jonathan Dill)

Date: 25 May 1995 14:36:26 GMT



Hello folks,



        I am looking for a recipe for making crystallized ginger,

preferably using honey or maple syrup as opposed to white sugar.



Your help is appreciated,



        --jonathan



:::Jonathan F. Dill (JFD) <jonathan@indigo1.carb.nist.gov>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginger

From: placbv@bremner.uct.ac.za

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:13:13 GMT



In article <3q24la$2ds@hecate.umd.edu> jonathan@mbisgi.umd.edu (Jonathan Dill) writes:

>From: jonathan@mbisgi.umd.edu (Jonathan Dill)

>Subject: Ginger

>Date: 25 May 1995 14:36:26 GMT



>Hello folks,



>        I am looking for a recipe for making crystallized ginger,

>preferably using honey or maple syrup as opposed to white sugar.



>Your help is appreciated,



>        --jonathan



>:::Jonathan F. Dill (JFD) <jonathan@indigo1.carb.nist.gov>





Yummy, please post.  I could use it too.



Teenzy in sunny South Africa





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginger

From: jonathan@mbisgi.umd.edu (Jonathan Dill)

Date: 31 May 1995 12:48:05 GMT



: Yummy, please post.  I could use it too.



: Teenzy in sunny South Africa



--

Here is the recipe which i posted to the HERB mailing list...



Enjoy--



        --jonathan



:::Jonathan F. Dill (JFD) <jonathan@indigo1.carb.nist.gov>



>From jonathan@indigo1

Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:11:29 +30000

From: Jonathan Dill <jonathan@indigo1>

To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

     <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@ENH.NIST.GOV>

Cc: John Barry <JBARRY@ac.dal.ca>, Ron Lunde <ronl@teleport.com>

Subject: Re: Ginger recipe



Hello there,



I found a recipe for candied ginger using white sugar (sorry i don't have

the source with me--it was an encyclopedia of herbs and spices) and used

the basic principles of the recipe to create my own recipe using honey--i

made a small batch, since this was an experiment, though the proportions

could probably be multiplied: 



1/4 lb. fresh ginger root

1/2 lb. honey (i used orange blossom honey)

2/3 cu. water

Peel of one orange

1/2 cu. sugar or arrow root



Peel the ginger root, and cut into thin (1/16 - 1/8 in.) slices.  Clean

some of the white from the orange peel, and cut into thin strips.  Put the

ginger, orange peel, honey, and water into a saucepan and bring to a boil. 

Reduce heat to low, and simmer for 45 minutes (or until ginger is tender).

Periodically add 2-3 tbsp. of water and stir when the mixture begins to

foam. 



Once the ginger is tender, continue to cook allowing the mixture to

condense, stirring constantly (i burned the mixture slighlty--it did not

ruin the batch but gave it a nice carmel color & flavor).  Continue to

cook until it is a very thick syrup and the ginger is transparent (i would

guess somewhere between the soft ball and hard ball stage).  Take the pan

off the heat and allow to cool slightly, 5-10 minutes. 



Turn the mixture onto waxpaper on a cookie sheet, and place it in the

freezer to harden.  When the mixture is hard and brittle, break into

pieces, and put the pieces into the sugar or arrow root, and allow to warm

to room temperature, mixing to coat. 



There are many possible variations--try changing the kind of honey, or use

molasses; use fruit juice instead of water; use lemon peel, lime peel,

grapefruit peel, quince, papaya;  add cloves, cinammon, cardamom, or other

whole spices. 



The fruit peel has the mildest ginger taste, and the brittle mixture is

second, and the ginger itself tastes strongest--it warms the body and 

does wonders for congested sinuses.



Please try, enjoy, and let me know how you liked it.  I would also be

interested to know if people find this useful for therapeutic uses,

perhaps as a demulcent, expectorant, nausea preventative, digestive.  If

the mixture were made with lemon juice, lemon peel, and whole cloves, i

think it would be excellent for sore throats and colds, and made with

fennel seeds and papaya, it would make an excellent digestive. 



        --jonathan



:::Jonathan F. Dill (JFD) <jonathan@indigo1.carb.nist.gov>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs etc

From: sundance@cybernetics.net (Al Ross)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 00:33:54 +1000



I hope this post doesn't step on anyone's toes..  I'm a little new at this... 

 

Several people that I met on several lists and news-groups have requested that I post this, and that it 

would be helpful to many. 

 

I have a small nursery and propagate herbs, succulents, perennials and other things and ship them to a 

few nurseries to be potted up and grown on. I take orders for MIXED FLATS and grow to order.  

 

My friends on the Net suggested that many gardeners and cooks out there might like to be able to name 

the plants that they want to grow and have them shipped to them. 

 

If this is of interest to you....  make a list of 5 or 6 kinds of plants that you would like and email me. I am 

working on a list of what is available and am expanding all the time. 

 

I primarily work with flats of 36 and 98 and can get them to you for $50 plus shipping. 

 

Al Ross 

Nature's Touch Nursery 

2707 C James Rd. 

Charlotte NC 

704-535-0192 

sundance@ cybernetics.net  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs etc

From: sundance@cybernetics.net (Al Ross)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 02:22:15 +1000



Sherry 

 

This is a follow up post to the one I tryed to send last night. I'm having trouble with the POP 

server, so to be sure that you get it.....     I f you did get the one last noght you will see a few 

changes... 

 

It's good to here from another tar heel. I have often read your posts to the gardens list and 

have enjoied them. 

 

At the moment, I am working on the list of plants that is available so I cant give a good rundown. 

I have 12 kinds ot thymes, 4 oreganos, 7 rosemaries, and lots of other cooking herbs.  Some of 

the perennials  I am most proud of is the salvias like Lady in Red, Blue Spear, Peach and several 

more coccineas. I just got in Mexican Bush sage and Australian mint to go with the other mints 

and sages.  

 

If there are some special items that you need, let me know, and I will dig them up for you. We have

Garawa cafferia  ( please excue the spelling, I don't have my books with me tonight and don't like 

to edit 8-D ), Calif. fushia and a few other unusual plants 

 

The whole Idea is to let people custom order flats and not have to buy whole flats of one item. I 

did this a few years back for some people in Ga. and they liked it very much.  

 

Let me know of your needs and as soon as the list is finished, I will email it to you. 

 

Al 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aboriginal herbal lore

From: lkriv@ix.netcom.com (Laurence Kriv)

Date: 21 May 1995 16:22:50 GMT



Does anyone out there know about the Australian Aboriginal use of herbs

in healing and ceremonies?  Do you know of any literature, Web sites,

or such on the subject?  Thanks!



Larry Kriv

lkriv@ix.netcom.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aboriginal herbal lore

From: joe@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au (Joe Slater)

Date: 22 May 1995 11:18:57 +1000



lkriv@ix.netcom.com (Laurence Kriv) writes:



>Does anyone out there know about the Australian Aboriginal use of herbs

>in healing and ceremonies?  Do you know of any literature, Web sites,

>or such on the subject?  Thanks!



I can probably find some titles, but I don't think they'd be available up 

your side of the world. Also bear in mind that flora native to Australia 

will probably not be found in the U.S.A. I'll see what I can come up 

with, though.



jds





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aboriginal herbal lore

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 30 May 1995 00:59:47 GMT



joe@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au (Joe Slater) wrote:

>

> lkriv@ix.netcom.com (Laurence Kriv) writes:

> 

> >Does anyone out there know about the Australian Aboriginal use of herbs

> >in healing and ceremonies?  Do you know of any literature, Web sites,

> >or such on the subject?  Thanks!

> 

> I can probably find some titles, but I don't think they'd be available up 

> your side of the world. Also bear in mind that flora native to Australia 

> will probably not be found in the U.S.A. I'll see what I can come up 

> with, though.

> 

> jds





There isn't a lot. There is an aboriginal library in Canberra but alot of their books are too rare to lend

We have a list of 9 titles we try to carry in our bookshop.

Send snail mail address or fax number and I'll post it. 

Michael

adamtfg@ozemail.com.au.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: What are these?

From: hjaalari@snakemail.hut.fi (Harri T J{{linoja)

Date: 21 May 1995 19:09:06 GMT





   Hi!

   Please lend me your expertise, I'm trying to find 

   a description of the following plants:



	Herba Epimedi

	Radix Bupleuri

	Radix Ligutici

	Spathalobi

	Radix Linderae



   What they are, what do they do, whatever you know,

   please post in this group.



   Thanks,

   Harri.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What are these?

From: Hek@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: 29 May 1995 14:47:20 GMT



In article <HJAALARI.95May21220906@lk-hp-9.hut.fi>, 

hjaalari@snakemail.hut.fi (Harri T J{{linoja) says:



>   Please lend me your expertise, I'm trying to find 

>   a description of the following plants:

>

>        Herba Epimedi

>        Radix Bupleuri

>        Radix Ligutici

>        Spathalobi

>        Radix Linderae

>

>   What they are, what do they do, whatever you know,

>   please post in this group.



Herba means herb, ie. overground part of the plant.

Radix is the root.

Now Epimedi comes from the genus Epimedium; Bupleuri comes from the genus

Bupleurum, in Finnish these are jaenoenputket; Ligutici might actually 

read Ligustici, and then comes from the genus Ligusticum (take it from 

there), Spathalobi is very strange and Linderae comes from the genus 

Lindera, containing also the species Lindera benzoin (Benjamin 

spicebush).

For those for which I gave no Finnish names there are none (at least

not for a fast search), so they probably don't grow in Finland.



Not bad for a fast search - can anyone give more info?



Best

HeK

--

Henriette Kress    HeK@hetta.pp.fi

        Helsinki, Finland.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What are these?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Mon, 29 May 95 23:36:23 PST



In message ID <3qcmpo$qat@idefix.eunet.fi> on 5/29/95, Henriette Kress

<Hek@hetta.pp.fi> wrote:



: >   Please lend me your expertise, I'm trying to find 

: >   a description of the following plants:

: >

: >        Herba Epimedi

: >        Radix Bupleuri

: >        Radix Ligutici

: >        Spathalobi

: >        Radix Linderae



Isn't this an impotency formula, or a formula for variocele? I almost recognize

it. Lindera is used for pain (Stuck Blood due to Cold), Spatholobus is Radix et

Caulis Jixueteng, usually referred to as Milletia. It is used to Move Blood in

arthritic conditions.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: AHPA Address

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 21 May 1995 23:08:39 GMT



Could someone please post or send me by e-mail the address for the 

American Herbal Products Assn?



Thanks.



-----------------------------------------------------------------------

           Camilla Cracchiolo, RN   camilla@primenet.com



        Shrine of the Cybernetic Madonna BBS  213-766-1356

"The board that Hates Rush Limbaugh *and* Newt Gingrich With A Passion"

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: American Botanical Council

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 21 May 1995 23:10:18 GMT



Could someone please send me the address for the American Botanical 

Council?  Also looking for the address of the American Herbal Products 

Assn. 



Thanks.



-----------------------------------------------------------------------

           Camilla Cracchiolo, RN   camilla@primenet.com



        Shrine of the Cybernetic Madonna BBS  213-766-1356

"The board that Hates Rush Limbaugh *and* Newt Gingrich With A Passion"

-----------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: American Botanical Council

From: thorne@comtch.iea.com (Al Czap)

Date: 23 May 1995 01:51:39 GMT



In article <3poh8q$ga3@news.primenet.com>, camilla@primenet.com (Camilla

Cracchiolo) wrote:



> Could someone please send me the address for the American Botanical 

> Council?  Also looking for the address of the American Herbal Products 

> Assn. 

> 

> Thanks.

> 

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

>            Camilla Cracchiolo, RN   camilla@primenet.com

> 

>         Shrine of the Cybernetic Madonna BBS  213-766-1356

> "The board that Hates Rush Limbaugh *and* Newt Gingrich With A Passion"

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

Why, so that you can trash them?



-- 

O for that moment to be now

Or better yet be recent past

And we sit as children on the beach 

Laughing at how long it took to pass     Czap





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE  Sex Potion Breakthrough

From: sbirch@apoth.ultranet.com (Robert Lassen)

Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 23:27:21 GMT



Quoted from Herbal Love Potions

  "Anyone suffering from heart disease, kidney problems or diabetes should not 

use yohimbine, nor should it be used in combination with amphetamines or other 

stimulant drugs. Also, avoid tyramine-containing foods for 12 hours before and 

after using yohimbine. Those foods include chocolate, cheese, bananas, 

pineapple, sherry wine, sauerkraut, etc. A combination of certain foods and 

yohimbine can cause a dangerous rise in blood pressure.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bilberry (Miracle Herb?)

From: BNGP99A@prodigy.com (Alan Guggenheim)

Date: 22 May 1995 01:39:08 GMT



     I have read a lot about Bilberry.  It appears that it is extremely

beneficial to night vision, and visual health in general.  According to

my readings, RAF WWII bomber pilots took bilberry jam before their

bombing missions to improve their night vision.  Those that continued

to take bilberry products throughout their lives lacked eye and 

circulatory

problems.  Now I was just told by someone who started taking bilberry

for macular degeneration that it may be helping.



Has anyone tried bilberry or know of any cases where it has indeed

improved vision?  Seems like a winner as a preventative for problems

in the future.                                    --Alan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bilberry (Miracle Herb?)

From: des@ritz.mordor.com (E F)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 06:07:32 GMT







In alt.folklore.herbs you write:



>     I have read a lot about Bilberry.  It appears that it is extremely

>beneficial to night vision, and visual health in general.  



             <snip>



>Now I was just told by someone who started taking bilberry

>for macular degeneration that it may be helping.



>Has anyone tried bilberry or know of any cases where it has indeed

>improved vision?  Seems like a winner as a preventative for problems

>in the future.                                    --Alan





I started taking billberry a few years ago after reading two different 

articles in two different health magazines a few months apart from each 

other.  Fortunately I have healthy eyes (except for being nearsighted) 

but I do a lot of photography and a lot of close work so I wanted to be 

sure to keep my eyes healthy.  I don't take it daily usually only a few 

times in a week or when I've been straining my eyes for some reason.   

Basically this is what I have found:

 

Usually an hour after I take it I notice that my vision becomes clearer.  

Not remarkably so, but more like some one cleaned my eyeballs for me.  

Like the difference between looking out an opened window vs. looking 

through the glass.

I find that I don't get eye fatigue very much any more either.  Also with 

the contacts lenses in my eyes get hardly any of those red blood vessel 

lines in them.

For night vision I find that sudden bright lights on dark roads aren't 

nearly as bothersome as they can be.  My vision tends to recover very 

quickly.



Here's an observation that my ex-roomate had that I have never heard of 

anywhere else though.

He found that when taken in conjunction with asprin his migrane 

headaches would clear up much faster.  In a way I guess it makes sense 

since the billberry does seem to dialate the smaller blood vessels.



Anyway, I am quite happy with using it and people that I have given it 

too seem to notice a pleasing, though usually subtle, change in their vision.



Regards,



Eric



 ... it's as if the whole world was suddenly destroyed, but not by an

explosion -- an explosion is something hard and solid -- but destroyed

by  ... some horrible kind of softening ... as if nothing was solid,

nothing held any shape at all, and you could poke your finger through

stone walls and the stone would give, like jelly, and mountains would

slither, and buildings would switch their shapes like clouds -- and

that would be the end of the world, not fire and brimstone, but goo.

                                        -- Cherryl Taggart





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bilberry (Miracle Herb?)

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 22 May 1995 23:33:33 GMT



>     I have read a lot about Bilberry.  It appears that it is extremely

>beneficial to night vision, and visual health in general.  According to

>my readings, RAF WWII bomber pilots took bilberry jam before their

>bombing missions to improve their night vision.  Those that continued

>to take bilberry products throughout their lives lacked eye and  

>circulatory

>problems.  Now I was just told by someone who started taking bilberry

>for macular degeneration that it may be helping.

> 

>Has anyone tried bilberry or know of any cases where it has indeed

>improved vision?  Seems like a winner as a preventative for problems

>in the future.                                    --Alan

> 

> 

    My wife and I both have poor vision and wear glasses, our children (now

ages 10 and 12) showed signs of failing vision.  We didn't want to see them

saddled with glasses so we started them on bilberry and eye exercises. It

has worked great for them. I also notice an improvement in my vision,

expecially night vision, when taking bilberry. I have recommended it to many

others who have reported similar success--often remarkable. I recommended it

to an aging friend who was about to get fitted for glasses for the first

time. That was three years ago and he is still not wearing glasses.



  Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

  drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bilberry (Miracle Herb?)

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 22 May 1995 16:35:45 -0700



Bilberry works by accelerating the regeneration of retinol purple --

also called visual purple -- which is necessary for good eyesight.

Many studies of this herb have been published in European medical

journals.



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bilberry (Miracle Herb?)

From: jet@cinenet.net (Jet Silverman)

Date: 24 May 1995 04:13:34 GMT



Duane Weed, D.C. (drweed@delphi.com) wrote:



:   Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*> 

:   drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. 



The ad in your sig destroys any credibility in your posts.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bilberry (Miracle Herb?)

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: 24 May 1995 09:22:32 +0100



In article <9505221902597.DLITE.drweed@delphi.com>

           drweed@delphi.com "Duane Weed, D.C." writes:



>     My wife and I both have poor vision and wear glasses, our children (now

> ages 10 and 12) showed signs of failing vision.  We didn't want to see them

> saddled with glasses so we started them on bilberry and eye exercises. It

> has worked great for them. I also notice an improvement in my vision,

> expecially night vision, when taking bilberry. I have recommended it to many

> others who have reported similar success--often remarkable. I recommended it

> to an aging friend who was about to get fitted for glasses for the first

> time. That was three years ago and he is still not wearing glasses.

> 

>   Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

>   drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





Is your doctorate in medicine?

-- 

David Powner                   Internet: David@filtermx.demon.co.uk

Micronair {Pollution Control}  Phone   :(01782) 565816

1 Blackthorn Place             Fax     :(01782) 565834

Newcastle under Lyme           Data    :(01782) 562213 (24hr BBS to V32)

ST5 7BE          U.K.          Mobile  : 0831 879135





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: David@filtermx.demon.co.uk

Subject: Re: Bilberry (Miracle Herb?)

From: Paul Anacker <anackerp@rain.org>

Date: 24 May 1995 10:53:35 GMT



>>   Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE 

>>   drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address. 

> 

>Is your doctorate in medicine? 

>--  

>David Powner                   Internet: David@filtermx.demon.co.uk 

 

 

The field of his doctorate is clearly identified by the DC after his 

name, and, if my doctorate was in that field, I would answer YES to 

your question. 

 

Paul Anacker, JD





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bilberry (Miracle Herb?)

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: 24 May 1995 16:24:19 +0100



In article <3pv37f$3vi@news.rain.org> anackerp@rain.org "Paul Anacker" writes:



> The field of his doctorate is clearly identified by the DC after his 

> name, and, if my doctorate was in that field, I would answer YES to 

> your question. 

>  

> Paul Anacker, JD



Unfortunately, the field of doctorate is not immediately obvious to 

to the uninitiated. It may well be in a discipline that is not recognised

in the UK.  The British Medical Asociation feel it may stand for Doctor of

Chiropractice.



There is another so called doctor rampaging on some other newsgroups (not

that I would imply that Dr Weed is either "so called" or "rampaging"!), and 

my enquiries have failed to establish his credentials either - quite the 

reverse.



Additionally, anyone can legally call themselves a doctor under certain

circumstances, and I was curious to know how much credence I may give to

his comments/opinions. [I assume that JD is Jurum Doctor, but I may be 

mistaken :-)]



-- 

David Powner                   Internet: David@filtermx.demon.co.uk

Micronair {Pollution Control}  Phone   :(01782) 565816

1 Blackthorn Place             Fax     :(01782) 565834

Newcastle under Lyme           Data    :(01782) 562213 (24hr BBS to V32)

ST5 7BE          U.K.          Mobile  : 0831 879135





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bilberry (Miracle Herb?)

From: Presser@netaxs.com (Daniel Dorff)

Date: 24 May 1995 03:02:44 GMT



What brand/form do you folks take?



My local health food store has nature's way capsules.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bilberry (Miracle Herb?)

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 30 May 1995 01:03:18 GMT



BNGP99A@prodigy.com (Alan Guggenheim) wrote:

>

>      I have read a lot about Bilberry.  It appears that it is extremely

> beneficial to night vision, and visual health in general.  According to

> my readings, RAF WWII bomber pilots took bilberry jam before their

> bombing missions to improve their night vision.  Those that continued

> to take bilberry products throughout their lives lacked eye and 

> circulatory

> problems.  Now I was just told by someone who started taking bilberry

> for macular degeneration that it may be helping.

> 

> Has anyone tried bilberry or know of any cases where it has indeed

> improved vision?  Seems like a winner as a preventative for problems

> in the future.                                    --Alan

> 

I have glaucoma. I have been taking it on and off for a year.

I'm not "cured". I'm not worse.

Interestingly I've always had good night vision.

Michael

The Fragrant Garden

Erina Australia





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Insurance coverage

From: scliv@news.epix.net ()

Date: 22 May 1995 02:01:56 GMT



Does anyone have any information about insurance coverage for a herbal 

product distribution company being started up? Please respond via e-mail 

to scliv@epix.net



Thanks for any help.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Insurance coverage

From: tlshay@aol.com (TLSHAY)

Date: 21 May 1995 23:15:52 -0400



Contact an independent property and casualty insurance agent handling

insurance products from a company called ITT Hartford.  ITT has a

manufacturers program that might be able to offer you liability insurance

coverage if you qualify.



Good luck to you.



Terry - former insurance agent ( now retired .) _ don't ask me, I quit!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Sprained Joints?

From: seismicsk8@aol.com (SeismicSK8)

Date: 22 May 1995 01:46:08 -0400



I hurt my right knee a while back. Seems to be a sprain of the ACL

ligament -- I may have stretched it a bit, and at worst tore it very very

slightly.



Not nearly severe enough to warrant surgical reconstruction.



I'm eager to learn about alternative treatments for completely healing the

ligament and making the knee stronger than it was before. I'm an

athlete/performer so this is extremely important to me.



Herbal remedies, acupuncture, movement re-education, nutritional

supplements, visualization -- whatever. Anyone who has experience with or

knowledge about healing injured ligaments please please share.



Thanks in advance.



Dan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Looking for Mead Recipes

From: ngoforth@boulder.earthnet.net (Nelson Goforth)

Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 23:18:52 -0700



The recipe that I've used several times for yer basic still mead is:



12 lb honey

4 tsp acid blend

5 tsp yeast nutient

14 g champagne yeast (2 pkg)



boil honey, acid blend and yeast nutrient with 1 gallon of water (you

don't really have to boil, or really even heat honey, supposedly, but I

do). Add to the fermenter with enough water to make 5 gallons. Pitch yeast

when the mixture has cooled to 90F or lower. (I start the yeast in a

little water and honey). Ferment 1.5 to 2 months. Age 10 months or better.



Also, try the Papazian book on mead for the variations on a theme

(melomels, hypocrases, cysers, and a history of the drink. There are some

internet resources on mead (and print as well - The Meadmaker's Journal

being one) but I don't have the material at hand.



_____________________________________________________________________

 Nelson Goforth                | 

 ngoforth@boulder.earthnet.net |  

 ngoforth@aol.com              |  

 71540.2446@compuserve.com     |





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Looking for Mead Recipes

From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 12:28:51 -0400



Check out the Mead Home Page at



     http://www.atd.ucar.edu/rdp/gfc/mead/mead.html



I can't vouch for it, as I haven't been there, but rumor suggests it has

some useful mead-related information.



--

John Taylor    (W3ZID)      |  "The opinions expressed are those of the

e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com |   writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Looking for Mead Recipes

From: gowen@presto.cs.tufts.edu (Gregory Owen)

Date: 24 May 1995 11:17:57 GMT



        At the ftp site ftp.stanford.edu, in the directory

/pub/clubs/homebrew/mead, you'll find a recipe book that came from one

of the regulars of the Mead Lover's Digest.  It is called

BeesLees.txt.  There is also a FAQ and other related information

there.



Greg Owen { gowen@cs.tufts.edu,@xis.xerox.com } http://www.cs.tufts.edu/~gowen/

 1.01 GCS/GO d++ p+ c++ l++ u++ e+ -m+ s++/- n- h !(f)? g+ -w+ t+ r-- y?

 "I want to permeate the air you breathe/slide my way under your skin/place 

myself behind your eyes/and watch you, watch me, looking in." Katell Keineg





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: REQ:Natural for head lice

From: lukast@kenyon.edu

Date: 22 May 95 05:01:25 EST





Help!

   Have a question, I have a child in elementry school and unfortunatly

there are head lice that go around perodically. According to the 

info. on the "Lendine Shampoo," the inpesticides can or will cause

nervous disorders and hypertension. It says that it can also kill.

  There has to be some sort of a natural way to get rid of this problem

when it is necessary. Can someone please help ?  I am real new to this 

group,(second time reading) and love it.  Any help would be appriciated.





                                        Many times thanks,

                                         Lukast





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: REQ:Natural for head lice

From: nonni@haven.ios.com (Iyabinghi)

Date: 23 May 1995 11:51:25 GMT



lukast@kenyon.edu wrote:

: Help!

:    Have a question, I have a child in elementry school and unfortunatly

: there are head lice that go around perodically. According to the 

: info. on the "Lendine Shampoo," the inpesticides can or will cause

: nervous disorders and hypertension. It says that it can also kill.

:   There has to be some sort of a natural way to get rid of this problem

: when it is necessary. Can someone please help ?  I am real new to this 

: group,(second time reading) and love it.  Any help would be appriciated.





:                                         Many times thanks,

:                                          Lukast

Lukast,

I have found that a rinse made of Tea tree oil, Pennyroyal and Eucalyptus 

(and of course lots of water) works quite well in killing head lice. You 

can use the essential oils (however, pennyroyal should be avoided if 

anyone in the home is pregnant) diluted in water. A spray bottle works 

well for applying to the head, drench the infested head with mixture and 

let sit, covered for several hours then comb out with a small tooth comb. 

You will probably have to pick out the nits (eggs) by hand and a repeat 

application is necissary. This rinse also works in preventing infestation 

in non infested heads.

*remember to keep the rinse frome getting into the eyes!

*and yes, Lindane is very bad stuff- do not use it under any cercumstances!

Hope this helps!

Blessed Be,

Iyabinghi

--

"In this great future we can't forget the past"

                                         - R.N.M





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: REQ:Natural for head lice

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Thu, 25 May 95 09:00:00 EST



>

>Help!

>   Have a question, I have a child in elementry school and unfortunatly

>there are head lice that go around perodically. According to the

>info. on the "Lendine Shampoo," the inpesticides can or will cause

>nervous disorders and hypertension. It says that it can also kill.

>  There has to be some sort of a natural way to get rid of this problem

>when it is necessary. Can someone please help ?  I am real new to this

>group,(second time reading) and love it.  Any help would be appriciated.



If s/he has already been infected with head lice prepare the following and

leave on overnight:



Melt 1oz. white beeswax and 2 oz. castor oil in a double boiler.  Allow this

mixture to cool and stir in 30 drops rosemary oil and lavender oil. Massage

well into the scalp.



If you want to prevent infestation, rinse your child's hair with a few drops

of lemon oil, geranium & rosemary.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: REQ:Natural for head lice

From: jennifer.thayer@merlins-realm.com (Jennifer Thayer)

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 05:18:30 GMT



-> From: lukast@kenyon.edu

->

-> Help!

->    Have a question, I have a child in elementry school and unfortunat

-> there are head lice that go around perodically. According to the

-> info. on the "Lendine Shampoo," the inpesticides can or will cause

-> nervous disorders and hypertension. It says that it can also kill.

->   There has to be some sort of a natural way to get rid of this probl

-> when it is necessary. Can someone please help ?  I am real new to thi



I do not have any personal experience, but I have heard from several

sources that you can treat head lice with a tea tree oil product. There

are several to choose from. I suggest you find a book about tea tree oil

that lists head lice in the index. Of course you need a FINE tooth comb.

                                                       Jennifer





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: The Herbalist

From: kraska@Mailer.Uni-Marburg.DE (Andreas Kraska, Tel.:91729)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 17:05:35



Hi !



Maybe this question is old, but:

Is there anybody who had a look at Hoffmann's "The Herbalist" -CD-Rom ?

Long answers are welcome. The price in germany is 200,- DM. Thats why 

I want to know if there are any advantages compared to books.

Thanks A.K.                    email: kraska@mailer.uni-marburg.de  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: The Herbalist

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 23 May 1995 19:40:19 -0400



>has anyone reviewed Hoffman's CD-Rom "The Herbalist"?



Would also like to hear about people's reaction.  We keep talking about

expanding our stock to include this (and other alt.health CDs starting to

appear). We're wondering how useful this would be to our customers -- both

professionals and laypeople.



Thanks,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail:healingpgs@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: The Herbalist

From: vdavis@netins.net

Date: 31 May 1995 20:23:07 GMT



In article <3ptrp3$2ue@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) writes:

>>has anyone reviewed Hoffman's CD-Rom "The Herbalist"?

>

>Would also like to hear about people's reaction.  We keep talking about

>expanding our stock to include this (and other alt.health CDs starting to

>appear). We're wondering how useful this would be to our customers -- both

>professionals and laypeople.

>

>Thanks,

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

>e-mail:healingpgs@aol.com





Dear Rosemary,

I've been using the herbalist on CDrom and it is a good place for

someone to start learning about herbs but would be too topical for 

professional use.  One nice feature is that you can print out 

"prescriptions" for yourself and you can cross reference easily, for instance 

If you had rosemary in your garden and wondered what it could be

good for you can look under the herb, but if you have a specific problem

like a UTI, you can go to the section on the urinary tract and find a

listing of helpful herbs, a bit about UTI's in general etc.  It is nice

when you are sick and self healing not having to look up anything! The photos

of the herbs are not as helpful in identifying the plants as a botanical

illustration would be. You should consider it for your shop and test

drive it for yourself. Hope this helps...



Donna





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: NON METAL POTS FOR HERBS in SF?

From: viviana@igor.tamri.com (Vivian Aldridge)

Date: Mon, 22 May 95 17:56:32 GMT



Good Morning Everyone,



Anyone know where I can find a clay, glass, or enamel

pot in San Francisco for boiling my Chinese herbs?

I have gone shopping in many places and can only find

metal pots!



Please reply to my email address



Thanks !



Vivian

viviana@tamri.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: NON METAL POTS FOR HERBS in SF?

From: moreta@prostar.com (Moreta)

Date: 24 May 95 13:21:02 PDT



I don't know if you  have like a catchall drug/variety store where you 

are.. but.. visions cookware should work, and its pretty available all over 

the country.. Also if you can find a camping supply store. They usually 

carry enamel covered pots pans etc.. Those would also work..  



Mo





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: NON METAL POTS FOR HERBS in SF?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Thu, 25 May 95 14:14:24 PST



In message ID <1995May22.175632.11168@igor.tamri.com> on 5/22/95, Vivian

Aldridge <viviana@igor.tamri.com> wrote:



: Good Morning Everyone,

: 

: Anyone know where I can find a clay, glass, or enamel

: pot in San Francisco for boiling my Chinese herbs?

: I have gone shopping in many places and can only find

: metal pots!

: 

: Please reply to my email address

: 

: Thanks !

: 

: Vivian

: viviana@tamri.com



The standard approach is available in any Chinese market. There you will find a

white ceramic pot with a flat lid covered by a domed lid, with three stubby legs

for standing up in a pot of water. It is, in other words, a double-boiler

set-up. These have been used FOREVER. It will cost about $5.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cat's Claw info..Please..

From: rsmfp@orion.alaska.edu

Date: 22 May 95 21:21:45 AST



Greetings from the Moraine....



I've heard quite a bit recently about the use of Cat's Claw in

control of cancer. My son, a CNA, is working for an HIV patient

who has made a recovery from "near-death" to up and moving, in

about 2 weeks, using a combination of Cat's Claw, Essiac, and

some other things. The man's t-cell count went from 3 to 20+,

if I am quoting my son correctly. If anyone is interested in the

actual details of the recovery, let me know, and I'll send you

a description of the improvements the fellow has accomplished.



Meanwhile:

I'd like as much information on Cat's Claw as anyone has available.



Thanks....

Glacier Gruff

rsmfp@aurora.alaska.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: GINSENG AND THE BODY:  INFORMATION

From: jmgerin@fox.nstn.ca (Jacques M. GERIN)

Date: 22 May 1995 16:49:52 -0300



GINSENG



Ginseng is a short perennial plant of the Araliaceae

 botanical family.  It grows naturally on the slopes of

ravines and shady, well-drained mountainous

 hardwood forests.  It bears five compound leaves on

a single stalk at maturity.  An insignificant grey

flower blooms each spring and by late summer turns

into a cluster of crimson fruit from which the

ginseng seed is obtained.  The plant grows between

7 and 21 inches in height when wild.  The root is

creamy yellow or white, resembling a parsnip with

rootlets that branches off, sometimes taking the

shape of a human body.  The root is the part that

is consumed.  Ginseng is the most widely used

medicinal herb in the Orient.



Ginseng is very costly and difficult to grow properly

and bring to harvest.  World consumption of ginseng

has grown to such proportions that 98% of all

ginseng produced for market is cultivated.  An

interesting fact about ginseng is that once a ginseng

garden is grown and harvested, ginseng cannot be

grown in the same soil for at least 20 to 25 years and

possibly never.  It is known as the most expensive

legal agricultural crop in the world.



There are only two varieties of ginseng plant of

major commercial value:  Panax Ginseng (called

Chinese or Korean ginseng) is grown in Asia and is

the oldest known.  Panax Quinquefolium, called

North American Ginseng, is a plant native to eastern

North America.  Interestingly, the two varieties have

somewhat different effects on the body.  Panax

Ginseng tends to warm or stimulate the body, while

Panax Quinquefolium cools or soothes while giving

energy.



Today, there are an estimated 400 ginseng growers

in Ontario, Canada, farming about 1,600 hectares.

In 1994, the farm-gate value of ginseng in Southern

Ontario exceeded $50 million.  Ontario Ginseng

growers sell their product primarily as dried root but

there is increasing interest in value-added products

such as powder for tea, capsules, candies, hand

cream, moisture cream, soaps, etc.



To the native people of this land, Ontario Ginseng 

was already a valued part of the diet long before the

arrival of Asian and European immigrants.  Panax 

comes from the ancient Greek language and means

all healing or cure-all.  Historical information shows

that the trade of ginseng, including Ontario grown

root, was at one time, second only to that of the fur

trade.





THE  MANY  USES  OF  GINSENG



In ancient China and Korea, ginseng was used as an

aid and curative agent for a wide variety of

maladies.  Here is a partial listing of conditions that

ginseng was used for, taken from the herbal

pharmacology books of China and Korea:

Weakness and for revitalisation of strength,

bronchitis, asthma, malfunction of kidneys and

spleen, cold hands and feet, stomach or digestive

problems, nausea, arthritis, gout, rheumatism, high

blood pressure, insomnia, weakness after childbirth,

and the list continues.



With such an impressive record as a curative agent,

western medical researchers have become interested

within the past few years to determine whether this

unusual looking root has any medicinal value.

Results are coming in with almost all stating that

ginseng does have unique effects on the human

body.



In 1969, Drs Brekhman, W. Sterner and Kitagawa et

al., showed in test results that ginseng has an

antifatigue effect.  Based on Dr. Brekhman's

findings, ginseng has been made an integral part of

the Russian space program.  The interesting fact is

that test results support what the Orientals have been

saying for 5000 years.  Research is continuing in

many countries and we may expect continuing

favourable results.



Today, many people use ginseng to help combat

fatigue and to obtain an energy boost.  Many

serious advocates use ginseng regularly for a variety

of ills caused by stress, tension and overwork.

With newly found knowledge by western medical

science, some doctors have been prescribing

ginseng-made pharmaceutics for their patients.





KOREAN  RED  GINSENG



The Korean government licenses all ginseng farms

and supervises the planting of plots.  This is to

ensure that only the best quality ginseng is grown.

The growers are required to sell their crop of six

-year old roots to the Office of Monopoly.  The

roots are then sorted according to quality.  Roots

that do not pass stringent inspections, although they

may be of very good quality, are sold back to the

growers for use in the manufacture of Korean White

Ginseng products.  The chosen roots are then

cleaned and steamed by a special process, and dried

in a natural atmosphere.  This process changes the

colour of the ginseng root to a deep red colour.





CHINESE  GINSENG



Fusong County of Jilin Province, known as the

birthplace of ginseng, along the upper reaches of the

Second Songhua River has a 300-year history of

planting ginseng.  In 1983, the area produced 850

tons of ginseng.  Almost every family grows ginseng

in addition to the four state-run plantation farms.  In

recent years, ginseng growers have made great

progress in controlling plant diseases and insect

pests, increasing the output from 1949's one jin (one

half kilogram) per square meter to the present 2.5 jin

(l.25 kilograms) per square meter of land.



A wild ginseng can be more than 100 years old.  Its

white, fleshy, spindle-like roots with many odd

-looking branches often resemble the shape of the

human body.  The vast Changbai Mountains were

rich in wild ginseng 300 years ago when people

could freely collect and sell ginseng.  In the Qing

Dynasty (1644-1911), the royal court enacted strict

decrees.  Those who hired people to excavate

ginseng, whether of the Manchu or Han nationality,

were exiled to the Yunnan frontier.  Those obtaining

one liang (50 grams) of ginseng without permission

were flogged 60 times, and served one year of hard

labour, and those caught with 50 liang (2.5 kg.)

were flogged 100 times and exiled to the frontier,

3,000 li (1,500 km) away from their homes.

However, in the late Qing Dynasty, a limited

number of people were allowed to collect ginseng,

with the good quality ginseng presented to the royal

court.  The ginseng collectors led miserable lives

under the heavy exploitation of the rulers and

traders.



Ginseng can "build up health, ease nerves, brighten

eyes, develop intelligence and lengthen life"

according to Li Shi-Zhen's Outline of Herb

Medicine, written in the Ming Dynasty (1368-

1644).  Ginseng is widely used in medicine as well

as a flavouring agent in food and drinks.  China has

records of ginseng's medical usage in the Qin and

Han Dynasties (221BC-220AD).





CANADIAN  GINSENG  RESEARCH



Approximately 29 different ginsenosides have been

identified as the active ingredients of the ginseng

plant.  Twenty of these are present in varying levels

in both Asian Ginseng and North American Ginseng.

Although common to both varieties, the most recent

studies show that Ontario Ginseng contains a

higher concentration of these common ingredients.

Most notable are the higher concentrations of the Rb

and Rg ginsenosides.  The nine other ginsenosides

which are present in only the North American

Ginseng are known as adaptogens, the ingredients

responsible for relaxing the body systems.



Ginseng research in Canada is in its youth, but is

growing at a rapid pace.  The most promising

research has been conducted as a result of the

isolation of the Rb1 component from the many

naturally occurring compounds in Panax 

Quinquefolium.  Tests were performed to discover

any beneficial effects that this very special

component could have on memory retention.  As a

result, Dr. Lawrence Wang, a zoology professor

associated with the University of Alberta's research

into traditional medicines has patented, and recently

secured registration with the US Food and Drug

Administration, the use of Rb1 for the treatment of

Alzheimer's disease.  A highly knowledgeable team

of doctors, professors, and researchers have joined

together to form the Canadian Ginseng Research

Foundation.



Dr. T. Francis of the University of Toronto will be

examining the effects that Ontario Ginseng has on

stress levels.  Dr. C. Chan of McMaster University

is studying the power of Ontario Ginseng as a

potential calcium blocker for use in the treatment of

heart disease.  Dr. Larry Wang is furthering his

studies with Ontario Ginseng and its role in

memory functions.  In the Fall of 1995, scientists at

the University of Toronto will commence a research

project on the effects of Ontario Ginseng in the

treatment of diabetes. Canadian research into the

potential medicinal properties of Panax

Quinquefolium is on the leading edge and ongoing.





"Help the body help itself".  Energize the body!

NOT ALL GINSENG SOLD IN STORES IS THE

SAME.  We provide Ontario ginseng (i.e.  Panax

quinquefolium) capsules and other products.  We are

authorized agents.  For more info, please contact

Jacques M. GERIN at Internet address

<jmgerin@fox.nstn.ca>.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hydrastis Canadensis : Golden Seal Root

From: glenn@interaccess.com (Hoppy)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 00:30:59



Could anyone please tell me more about this herb and the medcinal properties 

of its root ?



Thanks,

	Hoppy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: celtic herb folklore....

From: mamarube@aol.com (MamaRube)

Date: 22 May 1995 19:23:40 -0400



Hi all...



I need some information on a celtic tale.  In the tale, a man was

killed/sacrificed and from the cut up parts of his buried body 365 healing

herbs grew...one for each day of the year.  I have a friend that writes an

Asatru magazine, and he would like to include the herbs on his calendar. 

Information can be either directly emailed or posted.  Thanks for the

time....



Ruthee





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: celtic herb folklore....

From: steev@interlog.com (steev morgan)

Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:05:50 -0500



In article <3pr6ds$et2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mamarube@aol.com (MamaRube)

wrote:



>Hi all...

>

>I need some information on a celtic tale.  In the tale, a man was

>killed/sacrificed and from the cut up parts of his buried body 365 healing

>herbs grew...one for each day of the year.  I have a friend that writes an

>Asatru magazine, and he would like to include the herbs on his calendar. 

>Information can be either directly emailed or posted.  Thanks for the

>time....

>

>Ruthee



I am extremely interested in this folktale and the corresponding herbs as well.

If someone does know a source for this tale, could you post it to me too.

Thank you very much.

Catherine c/o steev





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: celtic herb folklore....

From: clayton2@ix.netcom.com (JEFFREY CLAYTON)

Date: 23 May 1995 22:44:38 GMT



In <steev-2205952205500001@steev.interlog.com> steev@interlog.com

(steev morgan) writes: 

>

>In article <3pr6ds$et2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mamarube@aol.com

(MamaRube)

>wrote:

>

>>Hi all...

>>

>>I need some information on a celtic tale.  In the tale, a man was

>>killed/sacrificed and from the cut up parts of his buried body 365

healing

>>herbs grew...one for each day of the year.  I have a friend that

writes an

>>Asatru magazine, and he would like to include the herbs on his

calendar. 

>>Information can be either directly emailed or posted.  Thanks for the

>>time....

>>

>>Ruthee

>

>I am extremely interested in this folktale and the corresponding herbs

as well.

>If someone does know a source for this tale, could you post it to me

too.

>Thank you very much.

>Catherine c/o steev





Please post it on the newsgroup -- it sounds like something everyone

would like to hear about.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: celtic herb folklore....

From: sorenson@qns2.qns.com (Alissa Sorenson)

Date: 25 May 1995 21:14:00 -0500



: (MamaRube)

: >wrote:

: >

: >>Hi all...

: >>

: >>I need some information on a celtic tale.  In the tale, a man was

: >>killed/sacrificed and from the cut up parts of his buried body 365

: healing

: >>herbs grew...one for each day of the year.  I have a friend that

: writes an

: >>Asatru magazine, and he would like to include the herbs on his

: calendar. 

: >>Information can be either directly emailed or posted.  Thanks for the

: >>time....

: >>

: >>Ruthee

: >



Greetings folks!



I screwed up and posted a response to this under the thread "celtic folklore" 

- just so ya know.



Cheers! - Alissa Sorenson





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: celtic herb folklore....

From: pcrawfor@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Patrick Crawford)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 18:28:55



In article <steev-2205952205500001@steev.interlog.com> steev@interlog.com (steev morgan) writes:

>From: steev@interlog.com (steev morgan)

>Subject: Re: celtic herb folklore....

>Date: Mon, 22 May 1995 22:05:50 -0500



>In article <3pr6ds$et2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mamarube@aol.com (MamaRube)

>wrote:



>>Hi all...

>>

>>I need some information on a celtic tale.  In the tale, a man was

>>killed/sacrificed and from the cut up parts of his buried body 365 healing

>>herbs grew...one for each day of the year.  I have a friend that writes an

>>Asatru magazine, and he would like to include the herbs on his calendar. 

>>Information can be either directly emailed or posted.  Thanks for the

>>time....

>>

>>Ruthee



>I am extremely interested in this folktale and the corresponding herbs as well.

>If someone does know a source for this tale, could you post it to me too.

>Thank you very much.

>Catherine c/o steev



>From  "A Druid's Herbal" by Ellen Evert Hopman



The myth is the story of Diancecht and his son Miach.  Diancecht, the God of 

medicine, became jealous when his son's reputation as a healer eclipsed his 

own.  Diancecht called for his son and hit him on the head with a sword.  

Miach easily healed himself.  Diancecht struch him again, cutting him to the 

very bone.  Miach cured himself a second time.  Then the father struck his 

son's skull through to the brain, but Miach was able to heal himself once 

more.  Finally, Diancecht cleaved Miach's brain in two, and this time the son 

died.  



Diancecht buried his son, and 365 herbs emerged from Miach's body.  Each one 

was cure for the illnesses of the 365 nerves of the human body.



Airmid, Miach's sister, carefully hatered the hrebs and arranged them on her 

cloak in the shape of a human to denote their properties and show wher they 

were useful in the human body.  Diancecht, ever jealous,, kicked the cloak and 

scattered the herbs, confusing their positions.  If it hadn't been for his 

actions, we moderns would know the cure for every illness and we would be 

immortal.



Sorry, I don't know what the 365 herbs are.



Pat

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Patrick Crawford                             Snail Mail:13 Fountain Dr.

pcrawfor@bud.peinet.pe.ca                               Charlottetown, PEI

phone:(902)894-8095(home)                               Canada   C1A 6L9

      (902)894-8553(work)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: celtic herb folklore....

From: kschad@primenet.com

Date: 23 May 1995 13:45:05 GMT



>   mamarube@aol.com (MamaRube) writes:

>  Hi all...

>  

>  I need some information on a celtic tale.  In the tale, a man was

>  killed/sacrificed and from the cut up parts of his buried body 365 healing

>  herbs grew...one for each day of the year.  I have a friend that writes an

>  Asatru magazine, and he would like to include the herbs on his calendar. 

>  Information can be either directly emailed or posted.  Thanks for the

>  time....

>  

>  Ruthee

>  

>>>>



I  read that story, or one version of it, in "A Druid's Herbal" by Ellen Evert Hopman.  Perhaps this book gives the info, as it is 

arranged by the herbs used for the Sacred Earth Year...but it does state that each of the 365 herbs were for healing the 365 

nerves in the body.  



just my comment here...(smile)



  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kari Schad                                

kschad@primenet.com               

Bright Blessings!                       

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------                       





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: celtic herb folklore....

From: eng4rhf@hibbs.vcu.edu (Richard H. Ferguson)

Date: 25 May 1995 09:13:33 -0400



mamarube@aol.com (MamaRube) writes:



>Hi all...



>I need some information on a celtic tale.  In the tale, a man was

>killed/sacrificed and from the cut up parts of his buried body 365 healing

>herbs grew...one for each day of the year.  I have a friend that writes an

>Asatru magazine, and he would like to include the herbs on his calendar. 

>Information can be either directly emailed or posted.  Thanks for the

>time....



>Ruthee

Is there a book on Celtic herb folklore? 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: BNGP99A@prodigy.com (Alan Guggenheim)

Date: 23 May 1995 02:30:13 GMT



     I just got some Valerian, and boy it smells like a sewer.  Is this 

the

normal smell?  I had heard that it was good for insomnia.  Is it safe

and effective?                    --Alan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: chugins@cup.hp.com (Chris Hugins)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 17:17:40 GMT



Yes, it does smell a bit like dog doo doo.  Cats love it better

than catnip, tho.



It works great for chest congestion problems, and you can

sleep.  



--

--------------------------------------------------------------------

The Truth Is Out There!



Chris T. Hugins (chugins@cup.hp.com)

		(chugins@cruzio.com)

OSSD/Cupertino Open System Lab, 47LA/P8

19447 Pruneridge Ave, Cupertino, CA 95014

Phone: 408-447-5702   Fax: 408-447-6268





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: cookliwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu

Date: 23 May 95 20:42:59 -0600



In article <D91K1G.88E@cup.hp.com>, chugins@cup.hp.com (Chris Hugins) writes:

> Yes, it does smell a bit like dog doo doo.  Cats love it better

> than catnip, tho.

> 

> It works great for chest congestion problems, and you can

> sleep.  

> 

It doesn't smell anywhere near that bad. I don't find it offensive at all, just

strong smelling.

There is olny one thing that smell worse than dog doo and that's cat doo.



Bill





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: jclarke@lamar.ColoState.EDU (James Clarke)

Date: 23 May 1995 12:14:21 -0600



Alan Guggenheim (BNGP99A@prodigy.com) wrote:

:      I just got some Valerian, and boy it smells like a sewer.  Is this 

: the

: normal smell?  I had heard that it was good for insomnia.  Is it safe

: and effective?                    --Alan



Not sure, but Valerian was outlawed in the 1920's because it was used

by gangs as the source of sink for their sinkbombs.  (This is an unsubstancated

urban legend, but support you "sinking root



.



Chris





==========

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: peacock@cts.com (Torrey Peacock)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 01:26:45 GMT



In article <3prhbl$27ai@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>, BNGP99A@prodigy.com

(Alan Guggenheim) wrote:



>      I just got some Valerian, and boy it smells like a sewer.  Is this 

> the

> normal smell?  I had heard that it was good for insomnia.  Is it safe

> and effective? 

>

Yes, it has very strange odor.  One person described it as "bubblegum from

Jupiter."  Very safe and effective herb, though, great for stressed-out

nerves and for insomnia.  I like the fresh plant liquid extract best

myself - still tastes very odd, but better than the dried-root tea.  Or,

you can "cheat," and take the powdered herb or herbal extract in capsule

form.



-- 

Torrey Peacock

peacock@cts.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: gloria.j@prostar.com (Gloria J)

Date: 23 May 95 19:50:46 PDT



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B(>     I just got some Valerian, and boy it smells like a sewer.  Is this

B(>the

B(>normal smell?  I had heard that it was good for insomnia.  Is it safe

B(>and effective?                    --Alan



B(>



I've noticed that some brands are odorless (I wish I could remember

which ones they are!), while the one I'm using now stinks to high

heaven!  Yet it works, so I have to hold my nose and swallow!



Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti

(goddess@prostar.com)





 * OLX 2.1 TD * "Scattered Showers, my ASS!" ... Noah





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: Stephanie Goble <Stephaniex_goble@ccm.ch.intel.com>

Date: 26 May 1995 01:20:06 GMT



gloria.j@prostar.com (Gloria J) wrote:



> B(>Message-ID: <3prhbl$27ai@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>



> B(>I just got some Valerian, and boy it smells like a sewer.  

     Is this

> B(>the normal smell?  I had heard that it was good for insomnia.  

      Is it safe and effective?                    --Alan

> 

> I've noticed that some brands are odorless (I wish I could remember

> which ones they are!), while the one I'm using now stinks to high

> heaven!  Yet it works, so I have to hold my nose and swallow!

> 

> Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti

> (goddess@prostar.com)



  Fresh valerian root stinks.  Dried valerian root reeks.  The

extract of valerian root is positively putrid ... and it is normal.

  As for safe and effective, it does cause drowsiness in most people

and is unlikely to become addictive.

  I have never found an odorless valerian, although some of them

have better capsules than others and don't stink do bad.



Stephanie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: gloria.j@prostar.com

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: fashion-line <fashion-line.com>

Date: 26 May 1995 02:54:37 GMT



valerian is the herb that valium is derived from, or duplicated as the 

case may be. i think it smells as bad as a boy footlocker at the gym at 

the end of the semester!!!! <grin> however your kitties will LOVE it. 

anyone who's kat goes into heat and starts acting manic, and yowling all 

the time will benefit by placing a dish of valerian root by the cat's 

food.

as to using valerian as a trank.... get powdered valerian root and put 

it capsules. if you want to make an infusion (tea) DONOT let it come 

even close to boiling. the essential oils involved start to decompose 

around 178 degrees. steep the root in hot wate, 150 degrees or so for 

about 10 minutes. hold yer nose and quaff



yrs.



dawnwalker





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: BNGP99A@prodigy.com

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: Paul Anacker <anackerp@rain.org>

Date: 24 May 1995 10:57:01 GMT



>I just got some Valerian, and boy it smells like a sewer.   

>Is this the normal smell?  I had heard that it was good  

>for insomnia.  Is it safe and effective?       

 

Yes, unless you get it as NiteNite caplets from a drug 

store like Sav-ons here in California.  Yes and yes! 

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: J W Powley <bojel@pavilion.co.uk>

Date: 25 May 1995 22:29:10 GMT



> >I just got some Valerian, and boy it smells like a sewer.   

> >Is this the normal smell?  I had heard that it was good  

> >for insomnia.  Is it safe and effective?       

>  

> Yes, unless you get it as NiteNite caplets from a drug 

> store like Sav-ons here in California.  Yes and yes! 

>  

> effects on pregnancy? and long term build up?

> and it smells more like rotten socks, I keep mine in a kilner jar.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: moreta@prostar.com (Moreta)

Date: 24 May 95 13:22:58 PDT



some people claim it smells like old sox, some a sewer, I use extract and 

put it in a glass of juice to hide the smell and mask the taste ;> 



Mo





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Thu, 25 May 95 09:06:00 EST



>     I just got some Valerian, and boy it smells like a sewer.  Is this

>the

>normal smell?  I had heard that it was good for insomnia.  Is it safe

>and effective?                    --Alan





Valerian is very effective for insomnia, and yes, it does stink. I don't

know if you have the fresh herb or the tincture, but in either case you can

swallow the stuff in capsules.  Most health food stores sell empty capsules.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells Bad!

From: Bob Ginsberg <72027.3405@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 26 May 1995 00:17:30 GMT



Valerian indeed smells like something died.  My wife won't go 

near it.  But, it a pretty darn good natural calmative.  It could 

well help with insomnia, but I think a good dose of exercise 

daily would be better.



-- 

Bob 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: medical herbal database

From: cernunos@ix.netcom.com (BOB GOLDFARB)

Date: 23 May 1995 07:24:15 GMT



 Does anybody know of a database for medisanal herbs freeware,shareware

or for sale??? If you do plaese let me know about it. send info to me

email plaese and post also for the others.

 Thank you for time hope to here from you



     ps sorry about my spelling 

 



 ..................................................

...................................................

remember things happen for a reason 

just go with the flow!

................................................... 

 ..................................................





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: medical herbal database

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 24 May 1995 23:44:36 GMT



> Does anybody know of a database for medisanal herbs freeware,shareware

>or for sale??? If you do plaese let me know about it. send info to me

>email plaese and post also for the others.

> Thank you for time hope to here from you

> 

  I have one for IBM compatibles that's free. Just send snail address and

disk format if other than 3.5" 1.44 MB.



  Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

  drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ginseng and ovulation

From: U25628@uicvm.uic.edu (Alexey Danilkovich)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 09:17:38 +0000



Does any one know of the affect Siberian Gingseng and ginger have on a

women's cycle.  I just saw a small blurb in a women's herbal medicine book

that mentioned ginseng having steroid properties but they didn't say if it

affects fertility.  Should someone trying to get pregnant avoid gingseng

before ovulation??



Any info. would be greatly appreciated!!



Thanks in advance......





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng and ovulation

From: stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Paul Stewart)

Date: 24 May 1995 19:17:50 -0400



Gene Moore asked about the effects of ginseng on the pregnant female and 

the estrus cycle. I am not a physician, but have read medical journal 

articles that stste some of the ginsenosides in Panex ginseng (don't know 

about the American variety) have effects analogous to testosterone, and 

can cause temporary male secondary sex characteristics in the newborn, 

including heavy growth of dark body hair. These symptoms disappear a few 

weeks after birth. That's my 2 cents. Sorry I don't have the references.



ABIOGEN c/o Paul Stewart

RR #2 Vernon Bridge

Prince Edward Island

CANADA   C0A 2E0

stewart@cycor.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng and ovulation

From: Stephanie Goble <Stephaniex_goble@ccm.ch.intel.com>

Date: 26 May 1995 01:26:28 GMT



U25628@uicvm.uic.edu (Alexey Danilkovich) wrote:

>

> Does any one know of the affect Siberian Gingseng and ginger have on a

> women's cycle.  I just saw a small blurb in a women's herbal medicine book

> that mentioned ginseng having steroid properties but they didn't say if it

> affects fertility.  Should someone trying to get pregnant avoid gingseng

> before ovulation??

> 

> Any info. would be greatly appreciated!!

> 

> Thanks in advance......



The efffects of the ginseng would depend on a number of factors:



What type of "steroid" it has.  The term covers a wide range of

hormones.

Exactly when in the cycle it is taken.

Whether the individual's cycle is well-established or borderline

already.



Basically - the less you do to your body, the better off you are.  

Herbs may be "natural", but so is rattlesnake venom

and the botulism toxin.  Without good assay texhniques you could

be taking nothing or too much, and never know it.



Stephanie



s.goble@genie.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng and ovulation

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 30 May 95 22:55:27 PST



In message ID <3q3ao4$t2q@chnews.ch.intel.com> on 5/25/95, Stephanie Goble

<Stephaniex_goble@ccm.ch.intel.com> wrote:



: The efffects of the ginseng would depend on a number of factors:

: 

: What type of "steroid" it has.  The term covers a wide range of hormones.

: Exactly when in the cycle it is taken.

: Whether the individual's cycle is well-established or borderline already.

: 

: Basically - the less you do to your body, the better off you are.  

: Herbs may be "natural", but so is rattlesnake venom

: and the botulism toxin.  Without good assay texhniques you could

: be taking nothing or too much, and never know it.

: 

: Stephanie



Nonsense, but familiar nonsense. Ginseng has NO steroidal chemistry. Many, most

herbals are mild and are NOTHING like rattlesnake venom or any poison. You can

eat tons of many herbals in your lifetime without the slightest risk to your

health--quite the contrary. The assay issue is totally overemphasized with

little justification. Plant chemistry varies--this is understood by herbalists,

and collection practices are designed to account for that. In the 3,000 years of

organized herbal practice in what is now India and China (and certainly

elsewhere as well), these issues have been amply examined and empirically

tested, and there simply isn't any such risk with well-chosen, well-designed

formulas. The contrary is of course true--people under competent herbal care

have less illness that requires dangerous drug treatment. A dose of OTC cold

remedy is vastly more dangerous than the equivalent cold care herbal formula.

Many examples of this fact can be given.



More on ginseng: Ginseng chemistry was only really successfully studied in the

1960's. Lots of faulty ideas on the chemistry of ginseng came from before that

time. Since that decade, it has been recognized that the primary chemistry of

ginseng roots is a wide range of saponins, or soaplike chemicals. In addition to

these chemicals, ginseng contains sesquiterpenes, some pyrazine derivatives, and

some acetylenic compounds. It is about 5% sugar fraction. Also found are a

variety of what are now called panaxans, which are peptide glycans. Overall,

ginseng roots contain 89% carbohydrate (80% of that starch, the rest pectin),

and 5% protein. There are also three flavones in the stems, but they are not

found in the root. (Tang, Chinese Drugs of Plant Origin).



We can certainly put aside this kind of propaganda without hesitation. These

facts, at least, are now amply known.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng and ovulation

From: stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Paul Stewart)

Date: 31 May 1995 11:12:06 -0400



Paul Iannone gave an excellent run-down of present vs. past ginseng 

phytochemistry, in which he correctly identifieed the various groups of 

chemicals. I have two questions for him, and the group as a whole. Any 

replies would be useful:



	-although it is true that none of the ginseng active components 

has the familiar cholesterol backbone that would label them as "steroids" 

I have read several good studies which over and over report steroid-like 

activities (no ref.s now, email me if you would like specifics), such as 

temporary display of secondary male sex characteristics in newborn whose 

mothers used ginseng chronically during pregnancy (eg-dark body hair 

growth which fell out a few weeks post-partum...Korean and Japanese 

studies), and production of slight irregularities in normal menstrual 

cycles such as mid-cycle bleeding, and elevated testosterone and white 

blood cell levels in males, elevated estrogen levels in females. I have 

no idea what components could cause this...seems to me there must be some 

effect on the hypothalamus that causes changes in the normal steroid 

output of the gonads. Whatever the factor is, it appears that it survives 

the gut and passes the placenta. Any comments (short of blunt dismissal, 

please...this is an experimental bantering of observations, not defense 

of a thesis) on these phenomena?



	Secondly, I have been asked by a local firm to research the use 

of Americal ginseng, extracts of which I played around with by refluxing 

in alcohol and water a few years ago. I am looking for info on the 

contents of separate plant parts, leaves stems, etc. Most of the 

producers I have spoken to discard the foilage, and this seems a waste. 

Paul I. mentioned an interesting fact, that the stems contain flavones 

not found in the root. Are these parts used in traditional Chinese 

medicine or other herbal practices, and if so, for what? Do they have any 

redeeming food value? If Paul or others have any info on processing of 

ginseng, especially beverage use, including the foilage, traditional or 

food-science-wise, I would very much like to hear from you. .......Peace.



ABIOGEN c/o Paul Stewart

RR #2 Vernon Bridge

Prince Edward Island

CANADA   C0A 2E0

stewart@cycor.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Skin problem

From: Jeff Anderson <banger@u.washington.edu>

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 04:55:59 -0700





I was wondering if anyone might suggest an herbal alternative for a skin 

disorder that I occasionally encounter.  It appears on hands/feet.  It is 

in the form of what look like water blisters.  I have used the 

prescription medicines temovate and diprolene, but none seem to have a 

long-term effectiveness.  I was given one thing internally once, and it 

cleared everything up immediately, but my doctor said that it had adverse 

side effects for long-time use ( I forget the name of it).



If you can offer any insight, please e-mail me.  banger@u.washington.edu.



Thanks.



Jeff





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Skin problem

From: MRTOO <afn25899@freenet.ufl.edu>

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 11:07:19 -0400



On Tue, 23 May 1995, Jeff Anderson wrote:

> 

> If you can offer any insight, please e-mail me.  banger@u.washington.edu.

> 

> Thanks.

> 

> Jeff



Jeff,

	If it looks like tapioca, small blisters, sounds like I have the 

same problem. Used same medicine, no help.



I wash my hands with warm water to soften, then with a handful of 

peroxide and I then paint them with mercrochrome. Every time they break 

out this takes care of the problem. Your friends may accuse you of 

painting your nails. It takes about 2 days to dry blisters up. Hope this 

helps you.



Let me know if it works for you. Dermotoglist couldn't help me. 



MRTOO



	 C o n f u c i u s   s a y,   I   a m   c o n f u s e d





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: banger@u.washington.edu

Subject: Re: Skin problem

From: Cori <heron@mars.superlink.net>

Date: 27 May 1995 18:31:17 GMT



Hi, don't have any experience with this, but burdock is an herb (root) 

used for skin disorders, among other things.  It's considered a "blood 

cleanser".  It can be gotten in various forms including capsules.



You might want to consult an herbalist.



Good luck!



Cori





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Partial Results of and Survey of Chronic Pain Relief Techniques

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 23 May 1995 12:16:22 GMT



Here are partial results of survey of chronic pain relief techniques

>from  messages received last week.



    1. Releasing Endorphins-The Body's Natural Painkiller

        a. Laughter

        b. Sex

        c. Vigorous Physical Exercise

        d. Eating Foods with Hot Peppers

        e. Chocolate



    2. Excellent Books

        a. Freedom Form Pain- by Norman Marcus-isbn 0-671-51165-3

        b. Natural Way of Healing CHronic Pain by Digeronimo-isbn

0-440-21658-3

        c. Book of Natural Pain Relief by Leon Chaitow,isbn

0-06-100886-9

        d. Managing Pain Before It Manages You by Margaret Caudill

isbn-0-89862-224-7



    3. Amino Acids

        To relieve morning stiffness take 500mg l-lysine and 500mg

l-arginine before bed time. Many have had great success with this.



    4. Exercise to Relieve Stiffness

        Place hands on hips, bend at waist so that head and upper body

form 90 degree angle to waist and then return up about 75%-repeat in

rhythmic order about 6-10 times. 



    5. Feldenkrais & Somatics Therapy

        Two excellent movement therapies for relieving pain.

    6. Monroe Institute Tapes

   

 If you have found techniques that relieve chronic muscle pain, please

advise me via E Mail and I will include in weekly postings. AM hoping

to eventually develop a faq based on information received. While this

posting has appeared many times before, each posting yields new

results. Please share you successful techniques with others by

responding to this post. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help with eczema (desperate)

From: bwong@nyc.pipeline.com (Ben  Wong)

Date: 23 May 1995 09:46:34 -0400



I have had a life long battle with this skin disorder and have tried just

about about every remedy there is. I have been using corticosteroids for

awhile (years) but now its just not working and the conditioning is

worsening. It has spread to all extremities and causes much itching and

redness. If there is anyone out there who has had any success with

alternative medicines I would be eternally grateful for any suggestions. I

have read that evening primrose oil was successful in some cases of

childhood eczema but have not heard it used in adults. What would the

dosage be and are there any dangersous side effects? 

 

Benny





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with eczema (desperate)

From: netnews@aisr.lib.tju.edu (TJU USENET News User)

Date: 24 May 1995 03:32:24 GMT



I have had luck with a comfrey salve.  Also, you might want to use system 

clearing herbs such as yellow dock, and red clover.  My acupuncturist 

reccommended these herbs.  Acupuncture worked wonders for me.



JM





Ben  

Wong (bwong@nyc.pipeline.com) wrote:

: I have had a life long battle with this skin disorder and have tried just

: about about every remedy there is. I have been using corticosteroids for

: awhile (years) but now its just not working and the conditioning is

: worsening. It has spread to all extremities and causes much itching and

: redness. If there is anyone out there who has had any success with

: alternative medicines I would be eternally grateful for any suggestions. I

: have read that evening primrose oil was successful in some cases of

: childhood eczema but have not heard it used in adults. What would the

: dosage be and are there any dangersous side effects? 

:  

: Benny





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with eczema (desperate)

From: joe@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au (Joe Slater)

Date: 24 May 1995 22:05:29 +1000



>Ben  

>Wong (bwong@nyc.pipeline.com) wrote:

>: I have had a life long battle with this skin disorder and have tried just

>: about about every remedy there is. I have been using corticosteroids for

>: awhile (years) but now its just not working and the conditioning is

>: worsening. It has spread to all extremities and causes much itching and

>: redness. If there is anyone out there who has had any success with

>: alternative medicines I would be eternally grateful for any suggestions.



I have no idea whether this actually works. I used it myself on a small 

patch of what appeared to be eczema (or perhaps psoriasis), and it went 

away over a month. I distrust herbal remedies, and it is very possible 

that the "cure" was merely coincidental. Still reading?



I took the skin of a kiwi fruit (Chinese gooseberry) with a small amount 

of pulp remaining (as much as there was after I had eaten the fruit with 

a spoon), and rubbed it over the affected area until the pulp had 

transferred. Eventually the skin started itching painfully, so I removed 

the pulp. I repeated this every couple of days for a week.



If this actually works, and I was not deluding myself, a possible cause 

is that kiwi fruit contains enzymes that help digest proteins. These 

should attack the surface of the skin, and whatever their effect might 

persuade the skin to behave normally.



If I were you I'd try it. Kiwi fruit are pretty cheap (in Australia, at 

least) and taste good. If I couldn't get kiwi fruit I'd try pineapple, 

because it has the same digestive effect.



jds





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with eczema (desperate)

From: David_Sullivan@maccomw (David Sullivan)

Date: Fri, 26 May 95 07:37:47 CDT



Dear Benny,

I have had eczema all my life also.  Doctors have shot me full of cortisone

since I can remember.  On a lark one day I ordered some hand cream from a

gardening magazine.  It claimed to help with eczema and quince seed extract was

the active ingredient.  And , wonder of wonders, it actually helped.  I have had

eczema badly on my hands, but since using this, I have not had one serious

breakout. (I stress the work serious--I have had itchy, bubbly patches now and

then, but usually when i have been obviouly abusing my hands--not using gloves,

etc.)Order it and try some.  Its about $10 for a 3.5 oz. jar--lasts about 4-5

months for me.  Called Therapeutic Hand Cream.  Write to : Melvin and Badger

P.O.Box 99, Marblehead, MA  01945.  They claim to be Boston's oldest apothecary

and they make it there.  It has really saved me, so that's why I push it so

much.  I would appreciate hearing feedback also, if this works with othr people

or if it is just me.  Good Luck!!!  I know eczema is a miserable condition.

Courtney





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Thanks for replies regarding enlarged liver!!

From: ac505@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Johanna Simpson)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 14:50:54 GMT







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs & Chromium Picoliante

From: Mark Gill <74643.225@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 23 May 1995 15:53:31 GMT



My wife and I have had very good results over the past 30 days

with a product called Trichomaleane. It is a chinese herbal 

formula with chromium picolinate. It cost about $30 for a one 

months supply.



Do I really need all these herbs (e.g. ginsing, licorice root, 

ginger root, bee pollen, bladderwrack, and some others) or would 

buying the chromium picolinate by itself give me the same or 

simialr results?



I'm not sure but I think I can buy a one month's supply of C.P. 

for lest than $5.



Any feedback would be appreciated.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sweet to bitter/sour

From: jdonahue@rain.org (Joe Donahue)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 20:17:12 GMT



I'm still looking for herbs or other substances that will make sweet

things taste unpleasant, bitter or sour. Any suggestions?? TIA





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sweet to bitter/sour

From: dww5@psu.edu (Dale Woika)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 01:32:49 GMT



In article  (Joe Donahue) writes:



>I'm still looking for herbs or other substances that will make sweet

>things taste unpleasant, bitter or sour. Any suggestions?? TIA



Try denatonium benzoate.  It is one of the bitterest substances known.



U.S. distributor:



Henley Chemicals

50 Chestnut Ridge Road

Montvale, NJ  07645



It is a very, very, VERY potent bittering agent.  Also, an effective and 

discrete practical joke (a tiny speck--mg level--will make anything! wildly 

bitter )



Have fun kids!



Dale 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Homemade shampoo or c

From: douglas.wiggins@nwcs.org (Douglas Wiggins)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 21:13:00 GMT



CD:I know some who use a microwave for the simmering, but....

CD:not me! I don't want to maybe (?) put something back in

CD:water I have paid people to take stuff out of!! :)

CD:Christi D.



For those interested in using the microwave for preparing herbal

concoctions, please note that the microwave does not put anything

into the material being cooked; in fact, it is preferable to use a

plastic or glass container in a microwave rather than a stainless

container on the stove, as the stainless usually contains copper

which acts as a catalyst on many essential oils and other organic

compounds. Of course, plastic might add something to some organics,

as plastic is also an organic compound and "like dissolves like";

glass can also add something to a solution, unless the glass is a

low-extractable borosilicate, and even then some traces of elements

may leach out of the glass - this is not really a problem that

anyone in a hobby position should worry about, though, as the

amount of leachant which will come from any glass in short contact

will probably only be enough to be measured in a lab; however lead

glass, called "crystal" by the average person, can leach so much

lead into the liquid contained in it that alcoholic beverages

stored in crystal decanters for years have been measured to have

_many_ times the maximum US legal limit of lead).



All the the microwave does is to cause the molecules and atoms to

move faster - about the worst thing that can happen is that your

body will receive low-frequency electromagnetic radiation from the

electronics of the oven (the kind of electromagnetic radiation

which is being blamed for increased incidence of cancers and such

under power lines); it should not be a problem as long as one keeps

a distance from the oven while cooking (I've no idea of what is a

safe distance, though - there are testers on the market, but

according to Consumer Reports, they are so unreliable that they are

not worth the money they cost, giving a different reading depending

upon the angle they are held, etc.)



  -Douglas Wiggins zoron@nwcs.org, Portland, Oregon

---

 * OLX 2.2 TD * Lampwork for Aromatherapy & Perfume Retail Counters





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: urinary infection

From: vlhicks@aol.com (VLHICKS)

Date: 23 May 1995 18:17:07 -0400



I used to suffer as well.  I did find that laundry soap was a problem. 

That was not the only problem though.  Then I read a book called Cystitis

by some doctor (found it in our library).  He said that any time the

kidneys, bladder or uriters get cold or jarred that it causes the nerves

to get over excited and it causes the bladder to wan to empty.  so the

answer was to quiet the excitement.  He said, never sit on cold ground,

always keep the lower part of the body warm, when taking long trips take

an aspirin or similar item to keep the nerves from getting excited.  The

next thing was that if it is bacteria or high acid content that causes the

excitement to take the following:



At the beginning of hour one take one teaspoon of baking soda in an 8 oz.

glass of water.  In 20 minutes take an 8 oz glass of clear water.  In 20

minutes more take another 8 oz. glass of clear water.  



Repeat entire process one more time.



I have found this works for me for over 10 years now.  I have shared it

with lots of friends and they have had the same success.  You see the

baking soda neutralizes the acid.  Again this is no prescription, just

sharing reading of a book.  I would not recommend this on a daily basis as

baking soda can raise your blood pressure although I have never had a

problem, but I guess nothing except good health and hygene should be done

every day.  Also if there is an effect from sex in causing the bladder to

react, I've just used a warm wash cloth and held it in place until the

iritability slows down.



Good luck.  I hope it helps.



Vi





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: urinary infection

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom Cigolotti)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 06:22:18 AST



On 23 May 1995 18:17:07 -0400,  vlhicks@aol.com writes:

>

>I used to suffer as well.  I did find that laundry soap was a problem. 





Any more info on this soap (eg) type, too much or other things) business ??

I found that not using fabric softener helped a lot.



regards- tom c.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lavender Lane address

From: ltada@aol.com (LTADA)

Date: 23 May 1995 18:57:32 -0400



Recently someone asked me to get the Lavender Lane address, sorry it took

so long to get in touch.



Here is address:  Lavender Lane



Linda's Herbal Scents





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lavender Lane address 2

From: ltada@aol.com (LTADA)

Date: 23 May 1995 19:03:21 -0400



I messed up on first message.  Here is address as promised in first

message.

Lavender Lane

5321 Elkhorn. Blvd.

Sacramento, CA  95842

(916) 334-4400 Phone

(916) 339-0842 Fax

Catalog is $3.00

 

It is a great catalog and a good company to deal with.  Sells bottles,

jars, carrier oils and lotions, incense, esstional oils, fragrance oils

and much more.

Good Luck to whomever wanted this address.

Linda's Herbal Scents





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Moth Fly Away for clothes

From: ltada@aol.com (LTADA)

Date: 23 May 1995 19:09:30 -0400



A while back someone wanted information on a natural way to deter Moths. 

I use a potpourri that I make to deter moths, so far since I use it I have

had no moth problems,  I have been using same receipe for several years.  

Moth Fly Away Potpourri

Mix together:  lavender flowers, bay leaves, cloves, cedar chips or

shavings (lots), cinnamon chips, Orris Root and oils of cinnamon and

lavender.



I mix all of the above and than place in clean used nylons made into

bundles or a muslin bag.  This keeps moths away all season.  At the end of

the season mix potpourri again and add oils. Store in glass or plastic jar

until the next season.



Hope this works for you.

Linda's Herbal Scents





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Moth Fly Away for clothes

From: ah241@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Rosemarie Ventura)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 09:58:19 GMT



Would not the cedar all by themselves be just as effective?  

Just occassionally sand them a bit to freshen them up.



LTADA (ltada@aol.com) writes:

> A while back someone wanted information on a natural way to deter Moths. 

> I use a potpourri that I make to deter moths, so far since I use it I have

> had no moth problems,  I have been using same receipe for several years.  

> Moth Fly Away Potpourri

> Mix together:  lavender flowers, bay leaves, cloves, cedar chips or

> shavings (lots), cinnamon chips, Orris Root and oils of cinnamon and

> lavender.

> 

> I mix all of the above and than place in clean used nylons made into

> bundles or a muslin bag.  This keeps moths away all season.  At the end of

> the season mix potpourri again and add oils. Store in glass or plastic jar

> until the next season.

> 

> Hope this works for you.

> Linda's Herbal Scents



--

Rosemarie Ventura

ah241@freenet.carleton.ca

aa742@freenet.buffalo.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Moth Fly Away for clothes

From: jdwight@titan.oit.umass.edu (Joan R Dwight)

Date: 25 May 1995 11:52:39 GMT



LTADA (ltada@aol.com) wrote:

: A while back someone wanted information on a natural way to deter Moths. 

: I use a potpourri that I make to deter moths, so far since I use it I have

: had no moth problems,  I have been using same receipe for several years.  

: Moth Fly Away Potpourri

: Mix together:  lavender flowers, bay leaves, cloves, cedar chips or

: shavings (lots), cinnamon chips, Orris Root and oils of cinnamon and

: lavender.



: I mix all of the above and than place in clean used nylons made into

: bundles or a muslin bag.  This keeps moths away all season.  At the end of

: the season mix potpourri again and add oils. Store in glass or plastic jar

: until the next season.



: Hope this works for you.

: Linda's Herbal Scents



This sounds great and I'd like to try it.  Where do you get the oils of 

cinnamon and lavender?  Also, I've heard of Orris Root but don't know 

what it is or where to get it.  Thanks in advance.



Joan



(j.dwight@dpc.umassp.edu)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Moth Fly Away for clothes

From: ltada@aol.com (LTADA)

Date: 25 May 1995 19:55:16 -0400



Hi

I get my oils usually from local herb stores, that sell plants and crafts.

 I use essential oils only.  You can also get them at natural food stores.

 The same with orris root.  Liberty glass company sells oils as do many

other stores by mail.  I will get you the addresses if you need them, just

leave me a e-mail.  Franks nursery sells orris root as does several other

craft stores.  It is a fixative to hold the scent of the oils as they

evaporate very fast.

Hope you find what you are looking for in your area.

Linda's Herbal Scents





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Moth Fly Away for clothes

From: moreta@prostar.com (Moreta)

Date: 27 May 95 17:13:15 PDT



JR> This sounds great and I'd like to try it.  Where do you get the oils of 

JR> cinnamon and lavender?  Also, I've heard of Orris Root but don't know 

JR> what it is or where to get it.  Thanks in advance.



You  should be able to get essential oils of lavendar and cinnamon at any 

well stocked health food store, some of the drug stores are starting to 

carry them, and or via mail order, lots of sources in that respect. 

Oris root is the root of a iris that is cut and dried. (florentina, 

florencia one of those.. or something like that in spelling..I could go 

look it up but I am being lazy ;>  ) basicly its used as a fixative for 

potpouris. you take the oils put them on the orris root let it set a couple 

of days to absorb the oils then add the rest of your ingredients and let it 

age. Some people have a sensitivity to the orris root. It also comes in 

powders or chips or bits and pieces. Most herbal shops or ones that have 

supplies for making incense or potpourris should have it available or can 

get it. 



Mo





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: gingko biloba

From: George DiMartino <76177.3032@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 24 May 1995 00:50:14 GMT



Hey Everybody!

Has anyone used this herb called Gingko Biloba?  What does it do and has 

anyone had results?  Thanks.



George





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: gingko biloba

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 26 May 95 12:21:00 EST



>Has anyone used this herb called Gingko Biloba?  What does it do and has

>anyone had results?  Thanks.



Hi George:



Ginko Biloba is frequently used to increase mental capacity in aging adults

who suffer a lack of blood flow to the brain. The plant extract increases

blood & oxygen supply to the brain, increases glucose absorption by the

brain, and improves the transmission of nerve signals. Studies have shown

that the extract improves short term memory and may suggest promising work

in patient's with Alzheiner's.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: gingko biloba

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 27 May 1995 00:15:35 GMT



>Hey Everybody!

>Has anyone used this herb called Gingko Biloba?  What does it do and has  

>anyone had results?  Thanks.

> 

>George

> 

  Ginkgo aids circulation. I have seen it used successfully by the elderly

with memory and other cognitive problems due to losing blood flow to the

brain due to sclerosis of the arteries.



  Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

  drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: gingko biloba

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 30 May 95 08:15:50 PST



In message ID <3ptvs6$m21$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> on 5/23/95, George

DiMartino <76177.3032@CompuServe.COM> wrote:



: Hey Everybody!

: Has anyone used this herb called Gingko Biloba?  What does it do and

: has  anyone had results?  Thanks.

: 

: George



It makes a lot of people nervous and uncomfortable. In my book, an imbalancing

herbal to be taken only if specific need exists.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bach Flower Remedies

From: james@atri.curtin.edu.au (James Pinakis)

Date: 24 May 95 01:15:16 GMT



Hi,



Could someone please point me towards some references for Bach Flower

remedies, especially pertaining to their use in treating depression?



Any personal experiences of their use would also be greatly appreciated.



Thanks,



james





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bach Flower Remedies

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: 25 May 1995 05:58:00 +0100



In article <james.801278116@Igor>,

james@atri.curtin.edu.au (James Pinakis) wrote:



>Hi,

>

>Could someone please point me towards some references for Bach Flower

>remedies, especially pertaining to their use in treating depression?

>

>Any personal experiences of their use would also be greatly appreciated.

>



I would recommend Edward Bachs own writings, several of which are short and

available in pamphlet form eg The Twelve Healers and Heal Thyself. It is

valuable to get the feeling of this extraordinary man's writing and work

first hand since many secondary sources are tendential in one way or

another -  (there being a polarity between the  conservative Mount Vernon

Bach Centre and the New Ageism of some of the so called esoteric chanelled

information.)



 A good contemporary overview that is not too much one way or the other is

A Guide To The Bach Flower Remedies by Julian Barnard, and bordering on 

new age but also useful is Bach Flower Therapy by Mechthild Scheffer.



Many herbalists add flower remedies to prescriptions, not always disclosing

this to their clients! They  can provide universally useful and effective

treatment for emotional and spiritual levels

and are especially suitable for children and self treatment at home.



There is a group of Bach remedies appropriate for different aspects of

depression,and if you read a simple introduction you can repertorise these

for yourself.I would  advise starting with Bach's original remedies before

moving on to the newer, but no doubt also useful, Californian and other

essences.



Good Luck

 

Jonathan Treasure





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bach Flower Remedies

From: vdavis@netins.net

Date: 31 May 1995 20:41:08 GMT



In article <james.801278116@Igor>, james@atri.curtin.edu.au (James Pinakis) writes:

>Hi,

>

>Could someone please point me towards some references for Bach Flower

>remedies, especially pertaining to their use in treating depression?

>

>Any personal experiences of their use would also be greatly appreciated.

>

>Thanks,

>

>james



Dear james,

My chiroprator used bach remedies in her practice in conjunction

with applied kinesiology.  It is a very successful combination and helped

me with my mood swings.  Homeopathy, in qualified hands, is also very 

effective against depression but with both of these remedies you must be

given the exact remedy for your personality, body type, kind of depression

etc....and this gets very difficult to self diagnose because we all have 

ideas of who we are and what kind of person we are and so do all the people

who know us well.   So, either find someone good with applied kinesiology

(call a few chiropractors) and ask them to muscle test you for the most

likely remedies (you will have to bring a bottle)or go to a homeopath if you

can find one close by.  You might even try seeing if a homeopath will 

interview you over the phone for this if you can't find one near you.  

I hope you find relief.  



donna





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: MILK THISTLE?

From: portia@netcom.com (Portia Iversen)

Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 19:33:27 -0800



What does milk thistle do? Does it help the liver?  Thanks for your

help!   -Portia



-- 

                                                                                      -Portia





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MILK THISTLE?

From: dbrowndc@cts.com (David Brown)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 18:50:53 GMT



portia@netcom.com (Portia Iversen) wrote:

>Path: crash!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip024.lax.primenet.com!user

>From: portia@netcom.com (Portia Iversen)

>Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

>Subject: MILK THISTLE?

>Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 19:33:27 -0800

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>

>What does milk thistle do? Does it help the liver?  Thanks for your

>help!   -Portia

>

>--

>                                                                                      -Portia



Milk Thistle- silybum marianum- "has been shown to be conclusively

liver protective and regenerative ... effective against chronic

liver cirrosis, necroses and hepatitis A and B."  Micheal Tierra, The

Way of Herbs.



The way it does this is that it occupies the receptors on the liver's

hepatic cells so that the toxins can't bind there anymore.  It then

encourages clearing functions in the liver.  Use of milk thistle can

help clear skin conditions as the liver is functioning better.



If liver enzymes are elevated (SGPT,SGOP) and there is left flank pain

radiating up to the left scapula, then use milk thistle for liver toxicity.  Take in

the PM in large doses for long periods of time.  300mg tid or 60-80 dps extract

tid for 6-12 months.



If liver enzymes are low, with right flank pain and up to right scapula, this

may indicate liver stagnation or congestion, a different condition.



David





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MILK THISTLE?

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 26 May 95 12:29:00 EST



>What does milk thistle do? Does it help the liver?  Thanks for your

>help!   -Portia



Silybin, a constituent of milk thistle, has been studied for it's ability to

prevent damage to the liver and absoprtion of toxins. It has been used to

treat patients suffering from hepatitis, jaundice and cirrhosis of the

liver.



For more info on milk thistle see:  "Milk Thistle: The Liver Herb" by

Christopher Hobbs, Botanica Press, 1985.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MILK THISTLE?

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 27 May 1995 00:15:57 GMT



>What does milk thistle do? Does it help the liver?  Thanks for your

>help!   -Portia

> 

    Yes, Milk thistle is an excellent herb for the liver. It is widely used

in Europe for this purpose and there is a lot of good research behind it.

It has been used successfully for cirrhosis and other conditions where the

liver is not working well. It helps the liver heal and it improves its

efficiency.



  Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

  drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: GROWING GINSENG

From: jmgerin@fox.nstn.ca (Jacques M. GERIN)

Date: 24 May 1995 00:35:23 -0300



This is in response to Bill who is "interested 

in corresponding with anyone who has grown 

Ginseng......." --

Bill Lowenburg

Documentary/Fine Art Photography

<lowenbur@epix.net>



Ginseg is a very difficult root to grow  it takes

years of dedication and money.  For example, 

ginseng is very hard to grow in a soil where it 

has alreaday grown.  That land needs a good 

number of years to "rest" usually with another 

crop.



Among the resources you could talk and obtain 

info from, there exists a number of organizations.

Please contact me directly through email if you wish

to obtain more detail.  Also, this industry is backed

by scientific bodies which do research on the effects

of ginseng and also on the latest methods to grow it

and keep it from diseases.  Also, do remember that

part of your research includes visiting ginseng farms.

Do come to "Ginseng Country" in the City of Simcoe 

(Ontario) area.



Best of luck in your quest to reintroduce this mystical root.





Jacques





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ECZEMA QUESTION

From: jmgerin@fox.nstn.ca (Jacques M. GERIN)

Date: 24 May 1995 00:41:54 -0300



This is an answer to the question dealing with eczema.



Benny:



I have testimony from an eczema sufferer who uses ginseng 

cream to relieve the skin problems she has.  She goes on to say 

that the ginseng cream did not rid her of her condition, but that 

it does make a big difference in her life.  She took the trouble

to write!  If you wish more details, contact me by email.



Jacques

jmgerin@fox.nstn.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fo-Ti (He Shou Wu) and Hair

From: toddvia@utm.edu (Todd Via)

Date: 24 May 1995 06:10:19 GMT



	Could someone advise me on the benefits of taking Fo-Ti.

Is there any connection between taking Fo-Ti and healthy hair?

Also, I bought a bottle of Fo-Ti and each capsule contains 610 mg. 

each.  The directions state to take two capsules three times a day.

Is taking 3660 mg. a day too much or not enough?  Any info would be 

greatly appreciated.  Thanks...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: help for plaintain

From: bakcomp@euronet.nl (bakcomp)

Date: 24 May 1995 08:14:50 GMT



while translating an american novel to dutch i came across the herb

plaintain ,have found out what it is what it does but would not know

any dutch translation .

could anybody help me to a latin name of plaintain ,thanks a lot 



               

bakcomp@euronet.nl    OOOOOOO         :-{)

               





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for plaintain

From: Elizabeth_Toews@mindlink.bc.ca (Elizabeth Toews)

Date: Wed, 24 May 95 07:21:37 -0800



In article <3puptq$2cl@news.euro.net>, bakcomp@euronet.nl (bakcomp) writes:

>

> Msg-ID: <3puptq$2cl@news.euro.net>

> Posted: 24 May 1995 08:14:50 GMT

>

> Org.  : Bakker&Partners

>

> while translating an american novel to dutch i came across the herb

> plaintain ,have found out what it is what it does but would not know

> any dutch translation .

> could anybody help me to a latin name of plaintain ,thanks a lot

>

>

> bakcomp@euronet.nl    OOOOOOO         :-{)

>



Hello



Do you mean Plantain (Plantago species)?



Best Health Wishes

--



Elizabeth Toews    Back To Nature Products     Mission, B.C.

Ind. Distributor for Nature's Sunshine Products and Fine Herbs

email:  elizabeth_toews@mindlink.bc.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for plaintain

From: Mike Frizzell <frizzell@umbc7.umbc.edu>

Date: 24 May 1995 16:05:01 GMT





> > could anybody help me to a latin name of plaintain ,thanks a lot

> >

> >

> > bakcomp@euronet.nl    OOOOOOO         :-{)

> >

> 

> Hello

> 

> Do you mean Plantain (Plantago species)?

> 

> Best Health Wishes

> --

> 

> Elizabeth Toews    Back To Nature Products     Mission, B.C.

> Ind. Distributor for Nature's Sunshine Products and Fine Herbs

> email:  elizabeth_toews@mindlink.bc.ca

> 



The two most common species of Plantain here in the US are Plantago

major (broad leaves) and Plantago lanceolata (narrow leaves). While

both of these widespread plants are considered noxious weeds by many,

they are reputed to have medicinal properties. Interestingly, there is

also an old world species of plantain from which psyllium seed is

derived. This seed produces large volumes of water-soluble fiber,

hence its use in laxatives such as Metamucil.



Mike Frizzell

frizzell@umbc7.umbc.edu 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for plaintain

From: frank@kombucha.pf.bawue.de (Guenther Frank)

Date: 24 May 1995 20:55:00 +0200



> while translating an american novel to dutch i came across the herb

> plaintain ,have found out what it is what it does but would not know

> any dutch translation .

> could anybody help me to a latin name of plaintain ,thanks a lot

>

>                

> bakcomp@euronet.nl    OOOOOOO         :-{)

>                



       Do you mean PLANTAIN? (only one i, perhaps you did not find it in

        your dictionary because you looked for PLAINTAIN with two i)

       = any of several common short shortstemmed or stemless weedy herbs

       with parallel-veined leaves and a long spike of tiny greenish

       flowers (Old french, from Latin plantago, from planat "sole of

       the foot", from its broad leaves)



Latin:

Plantago major (broad leaves), Plantago lanceolata (small leaves).



Dutch: weegbree.



I hope I could help you.

Gunther

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: help for plaintain

From: moreta@prostar.com (Moreta)

Date: 25 May 95 13:28:28 PDT



There are a few different varieties of plantain. 

All of these are N.O. Plantaginaceae



Plantain, common              Plantago Major

Plantain, Buck's Horn         Plantago Coronopus

Plantain, Hoary               Plantago media

Plantain, Ispaghul            Plantago ovata

Plantain, Psyllium            Plantago Psyllium

Plantain, Ribwort             Plantago lanceolata

Plantain, Sea                 Plantago maritimo



You can read about them all in a 2 volume set called A Modern Herbal, by 

Mrs. M. Grieve 

There are also a couple other plantains listed but they aren't of the N.O. 

Plantaginaceae group. 



Mo





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for plaintain

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 26 May 95 11:58:00 EST



>while translating an american novel to dutch i came across the herb

>plaintain ,have found out what it is what it does but would not know

>any dutch translation .

>could anybody help me to a latin name of plaintain ,thanks a lot





Plantago lanceolata of the Plantaginaceae family.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help for plaintain   

From: iss@ripco.com (R.M.K.)

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 01:01:27 GMT



To: ALL

Subject: Re: help for plaintain



frank@kombucha.pf.bawue.de (Guenther Frank)  replied:



F>> while translating an american novel to dutch i came across the herb

 >> plaintain ,have found out what it is what it does but would not know



F>       Do you mean PLANTAIN? (only one i, perhaps you did not find it in

 >        your dictionary because you looked for PLAINTAIN with two i)

 >       = any of several common short shortstemmed or stemless weedy herbs

 >       with parallel-veined leaves and a long spike of tiny greenish

 >       flowers (Old french, from Latin plantago, from planat "sole of

 >       the foot", from its broad leaves)



F>Latin:

 >Plantago major (broad leaves), Plantago lanceolata (small leaves).



F>Dutch: weegbree.



Besides the genus PLANTAGO, which is relatively large, and does

encompass MOST PLANTAINS... this a more-or-less a common name, so it

should be mentioned that there is ALSO:



             "Plantain Lily"  = common garden Hostas <Lily family>

             "Plantain Fruit" = banana fruits <Banana family>



Since this was referred to as an "herb" .... it most likely was a

"Plantago" sp... but I'd sure rather eat a Plantain FRUIT, than the

fruit of the PLANTAGO..!!..?.    {:^)



Rob.

---

  QMPro 1.53  OO------>--->-->->> iss@ripco.com <<-<--<---<-----OO

                                                                                                       





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistent (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: smiller@pacifier.com (smiller)

Date: 24 May 1995 10:45:12 GMT



You also might consider if you drink a lot of diet sodas.  My doctor

says that the phosphoric acid in the soda promotes UTI's also.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with a persistent (4 year) urinary tract infection

From: mas4695@is.nyu.edu (mas4695)

Date: 29 May 1995 03:18:48 GMT





  I know that some health food stores sell 

cranberry capsules...which is always great

for UTI's...For a serious problem, you may

want to take it in high doses.

  One word of warning in trying antibiotics

for UTI's...they cause yeast infections that

are almost as painful and annoying. Go with

cranberry...



mary





	*************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: The 'Sweet Herb of Paragu

From: paul.maser@megasystem.com (Paul Maser)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 06:37:00 -0800



BL>oducts.   Reply to: oddone.b@connline.com

  >Best regards,



BL>Blas



Blas;

I would appreciate some more information.

If you could e-mail me a list of the herbs that you carry and perhaps a

price list, I would appreciate it.

Thanks;

Paul



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dog-repelling plant

From: jlane@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Judith L. Lane)

Date: 24 May 1995 10:13:36 -0700



Someone has asked us for "the name of a plant used by white

officials during slavery in the South to scare away or repel

dogs".  The only thing I can think of is dogsbane, but that

doesn't seem quite right because it's poison but maybe not

necessarily a repellant (?)  I have been trying to access the

archives at sunsite, but my expertise is not up to the challenge.

Thanks for any assistance or clues you can provide.



--

Judy Lane, Reference Coordinator, Mountain-Valley Library System

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs Vs. Pregnancy...

From: rsmfp@orion.alaska.edu

Date: 24 May 95 21:10:43 AST



Greetings from the Glacial Moraine....



You wrote....

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From: Moonsinger <mcgeathj@eniac>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.fitness

Subject: preventing pregnancy?

Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 14:45:23 -0500



  Does anyone know of any herbs that PREVENT pegnancy?



  Moonsinger

  Let the flesh instruct the mind.



=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o=-o



One would have to check to see if herb was sterile, I guess...then

he would PREVENT pregnancy....



Sorry...just couldn't let that go by....



Herb's picture:



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Sincerely,

Glacier Gruff





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help for Migraines!

From: Lynne Chantler <lac@xap.xyplex.com>

Date: 24 May 1995 18:48:09 GMT



I just picked up a new herbal book (don't have the title with me) but in 

it was reference to a study down with migraines and feverfew.



There was a 70% success rate of eliminating migraines by eating 3-5 fresh 

leaves of feverfew between two slices of bread daily. I just started 

trying it (as allergies can really kick off some nice migraines) and so 

far so good.



Just thought I would pass this information on.



Lynne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for Migraines!

From: ssotona@mindspring.com (Shirley Sotona)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 19:08:47 -0400



In article <3pvv19$n86@xap.xyplex.com> Lynne Chantler <lac@xap.xyplex.com> writes:

>From: Lynne Chantler <lac@xap.xyplex.com>

>Subject: Help for Migraines!

>Date: 24 May 1995 18:48:09 GMT





>There was a 70% success rate of eliminating migraines by eating 3-5 fresh 

>leaves of feverfew between two slices of bread daily. I just started 

>trying it (as allergies can really kick off some nice migraines) and so 

>far so good.

>Lynne



Hi, Lynne,

Some people develop sores in their mouths from eating the leaves.  If you find 

that to be a problem, feverfew is available in capsules and, supposedly, 

tablets (I've never found the tablet form).  Good luck with them!   



A fellow migraine sufferer (but not one of the lucky 70%),

Shirley  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mexican Prescription Drug Questi

From: an263318@anon.penet.fi (diamonair)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 19:46:41 UTC



Does anyone know anything about buying LEGAL prescription drugs in Mexico?

 Before you flame me, I'm talking about legal drugs obtained with original

prescriptions from your doctor.  I've heard that the cost savings can more

than pay for the trip.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mexican Prescription Drug Questi

From: tkeenan@uoguelph.ca (Timothy J Keenan)

Date: 25 May 1995 16:10:42 GMT



diamonair (an263318@anon.penet.fi) was heard wondering:

: Does anyone know anything about buying LEGAL prescription drugs in Mexico?

:  Before you flame me, I'm talking about legal drugs obtained with original

: prescriptions from your doctor.  I've heard that the cost savings can more

: than pay for the trip.



It probably depends on how far you live from Mexico.  Certainly if you 

live in a border state, it would pay for itself.



My father-in-law has glaucoma and was able to by something like 2 years 

supply (or whatever the expiry limit is) of the drops which are 

prescribed to reduce intraocular pressure, for about $12 US, I believe.  

It would have cost him several hundred dollars in Canada or the United 

Snakes.



-- Tim Keenan



Cliff Ecology Research Group

Botany Department

University of Guelph

Guelph, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mexican Prescription Drug Questi

From: jim.cranford@insomniac.com

Date: Sat, 27 May 95 10:30:00 MST



NAFTA has wrecked most of the savings for buying prescription drugs in

Mexico. Now, it means a trip 300 miles inside the country to get the lower

prices. Some drugs might not have changed, but for most of them, the bargain

days are over.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help for gall bladder attacks

From: susan1@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()

Date: 24 May 1995 19:51:23 GMT



Is there a herbal or natural treatment for gall bladder attacks?  The 

only two options I have come across are surgery and a recipe that 

involves a pint of olive oil taken with doses of lemon juice.  The latter 

comes with a warning not to become alarmed when you start vomitting half 

way through the treatment <yuk>.





--

SUSAN SHENDARUK                      email: susan1@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

SHERWOOD PARK, AB, T8A 5L8                  Trust no one - F.M.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for gall bladder attacks

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 26 May 95 11:02:54 PST



In message ID <3q02nr$908@news.sas.ab.ca> on 5/24/95,

susan1@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:



: Is there a herbal or natural treatment for gall bladder attacks?  The 

: only two options I have come across are surgery and a recipe that 

: involves a pint of olive oil taken with doses of lemon juice.  The

: latter  comes with a warning not to become alarmed when you start

: vomitting half  way through the treatment <yuk>.

: 

: SUSAN SHENDARUK   



See an acupuncturist. Olive oil and lemon juice doesn't make you vomit as a

rule. But gall bladder attacks can be deadly, so don't just putz around with

this and that.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HELP:  carpal tunnel syndrome

From: madelin@north.pacific.net (Madelin Holtkamp)

Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 14:48:39 -0800



I used a  paint roller on an extension pole to roll a big ceiling.  Got

what the doc says is carpal tunnel syndrome.  His advice: cortisone

leading to surgery!

Anyone have any better suggestions?  This hurts!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP:  carpal tunnel syndrome

From: weigand@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Steven Weigand)

Date: 24 May 1995 22:45:57 GMT



In article <madelin-2405951448390001@mac1-conf.pacific.net> madelin@north.pacific.net (Madelin Holtkamp) writes:

>I used a  paint roller on an extension pole to roll a big ceiling.  Got

>what the doc says is carpal tunnel syndrome.  His advice: cortisone

>leading to surgery!

>Anyone have any better suggestions?  This hurts!



Go to a chiropractor and see if he/she can help.  I saw an ad on TV by

some chiropractor who said that he treated carpel tunnel.  It looked

like he was flexing the person's wrist by bending the fingers back and

stuff.



Failing that,  see a Chinese healer.  Acupuncture/moxabustion combined

with herbs and rest can do wonders! 



Simplest thing to do is just rest your wrists.  Don't do anything for a 

period of a month or so (if you can).  At night,  massage the area with

a nice penetrating salve,  like "Tiger Balm"  or "Ben Gay".  You want

to get a lot of heat in there while you massage.  If it doesn't work,

then see the chiropractor or Chinese healer.  You might even try a 

sports doctor.



Ciao for now,

  - Steve Weigand

    (weigand@udel.edu)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP:  carpal tunnel syndrome

From: XNAP68A@prodigy.com (Julia Scott)

Date: 26 May 1995 16:09:06 GMT



Go to your local health food store and buy BROMELAIN extract.  Take this 

3 times a day on and empty stomach (otherwise it just acts as a digestive 

aid!)

Take a vitamin B6 backed up by a complete multi-vitamin with breakfast. 

Try making ginger root tea (steep a quarter-inch of ginger root in HOT 

water for five minutes).  Eat lots of fresh pineapple if you can get it.  

Go to a good osteopath with experience in cranial manipulation, if you 

can find one, and have them check out you neck/spine/posture: it can be 

well worth it!

    I got carpaltunnel five years ago after a car accident and these 

things work the best for me!  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: madelin@north.pacific.net

Subject: Re: HELP:  carpal tunnel syndrome

From: Cori <heron@mars.superlink.net>

Date: 27 May 1995 18:09:49 GMT





I think I have it too (playing cello and working at the computer for at 

least two years) but haven't sought help yet except for reading and 

listening.



Rest is one really important factor in healing!  Make sure also that 

you're not sleeping with your wrist in a weird position--that could be 8 

hours of unnecessary trauma



There's a book that I thought was great.  Deborah Quilter is one of the 

two authors I think, and RSI is in the title.  Sorry about the incomplete 

info. Wrist exercises and some discussion of vitamins are included.



Since your injury may not be that entrenched (unless you've been doing 

other repetitive things for longer) you may be able to rest, exercise, do 

the herbal and vitamin recommendations you find here, and wait and see 

before seeking medical help.



Good luck!



Cori





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP:  carpal tunnel syndrome

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 30 May 95 15:28:14 PST

--------

In message ID <madelin-2405951448390001@mac1-conf.pacific.net>

NNTP-Posting-Host: mac1-conf.pacific.net on 5/24/95, Madelin Holtkamp

<madelin@north.pacific.net> wrote:



: I used a  paint roller on an extension pole to roll a big ceiling.  Got

: what the doc says is carpal tunnel syndrome.  His advice: cortisone

: leading to surgery!

: Anyone have any better suggestions?  This hurts!



Bang, bang, bang--



Sound of doctor hitting your back with the only tool in his toolbox.



See a chiropractor or acupunturist.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: urinary soap help

From: vlhicks@aol.com (VLHICKS)

Date: 24 May 1995 21:33:13 -0400



I found that only Ivory Soap and Purex helped the problem.  All the rest

caused me sheer hell.  There seemed to be no problem with dryer sheets,

but i've always used Purex sheets too.  



Hope this helps.



Vi





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Is Your MOJO Working?

From: apmf@aol.com (APMF)

Date: 24 May 1995 22:01:16 -0400



Do any of you alt.folklore.herbalists have any stories about MOJOs to

share?  I'm writing a book proposal, looking for stories from people who

carry/wear a mojo, what it's made from and what it contains, whether any

wishes/spells have come near working.  Thanks in advance!



--Mary in Pacific Grove, CA





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: celtic folklore

From: sorenson@qns2.qns.com (Alissa Sorenson)

Date: 25 May 1995 00:09:35 -0500



Greetings Ruthee!



Here's an excerpt from "Celtic Myth and Legend", Charles Squire, p. 82



"...At the fourth stroke, however, Diancecht cut the brain in two, and Miach 

(his son who he was mad at because he was better in medicine than his father) 

could do nothing for that.  He died, and Diancecht buried him.  And upon his 

grave there grew up three hundred and sixty-five stalks of grass, each one a 

cure for any illness of each of the three hundred and sixty-five nerves in a 

man's body.  Airmid, Miach's sister (also skilled in medicine), plucked all 

these very carefully, and arranged them on her mantle according to their 

properties.  But her angry and jealous father overturned the cloak, and 

hopelessly confused them.  If it had not been for that act, says the early 

writer, men would know how to cure every illness, and would so be immortal."



I have seen this myth in another publication too, but I have never seen any 

of the herbs listed.  May I suggest the "Book of Ogham" by Edred Thorsson as 

a starting point for your friend's project?  Your friend may already be aware 

of this, but the Celtic Tree Oracle uses trees to represent the thirteen 

months - Birch, Rowan, Ash, Alder, Willow, Hawthorn, Oak, Holly, Hazel, Vine, 

Ivy, Reed, and Elder, respectively.  Also, the "Year and A Day" Calendar, 

published by The Overlook Press, Woodstock, NY, juxtaposes this concept with 

the solar calendar.  It's based on the works of Robert Graves (supposedly).  

I'm not really an expert on this, just trying to give you ideas.  Its not 

often I see Asatru and Herbs mentioned in the same post. :)



In addition, your friend may want to look into the "nine magic twigs" of 

Odin:  mugwort, waybroad (plantain), stime (watercress), atterlothe (?), 

maythen (chamomile), wergulu (nettle), crab apple, chervil and fennel.  These 

are taken from the Anglo-Saxon herbal "Lacnunga":



These nine attack

against nine venoms.

a worm came creeping,

he tore asunder a man.

Then took Woden

nine magic twigs

and then smote the serpent

that he in nine dispersed.

Now these nine herbs have power

against nine magic outcasts

against nine venoms

and against nine flying things

against the loathed things

that over land rove...



A little peculiar, since Thor is traditionally thought to be the one who 

battles the serpent, although Odin is heavily associated with the number nine 

and with herb magic and seidhr.  What Asatru publication is your friend 

writing for?  Hope this helps!



Alissa Sorenson





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de (Multiple recipients of list HERB)

Subject: Re: celtic folklore

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 26 May 95 18:05:12 PST



In message ID <3q13ef$avt@qns2.qns.com> on 5/24/95, Alissa Sorenson

<sorenson@qns2.qns.com> wrote:



: In addition, your friend may want to look into the "nine magic

: twigs" of  Odin:  mugwort, waybroad (plantain), stime (watercress),

: atterlothe (?),  maythen (chamomile), wergulu (nettle), crab apple,

: chervil and fennel.  These  are taken from the Anglo-Saxon herbal

: "Lacnunga":



This list of great herbal names put me in mind of some lists I just saw while

rereading Huard and Wong's --Chinese Medicine-- [bracketed comments mine]:



"Hsia Nai [Han dynasty?] made a careful study of the products of countries now

known as Kenya and [Tanzania], and of Pi-p'a-lo (Berbera in Somalia), Ts'eng-pa

(Zanzibar) and Ch'un-lun-ts'eng-chi (Madagascar?)...From these regions the

Chinese learnt of...olibanum, dragon's blood, ambergris, myrrh (from the Arabic

murr, Chinese moya), fenugreek (Arabic hulba, Chinese huluba), opium (Arabic

afiun, Chinese afujong), theriac (Arabic tiryaq, Chinese ti-yih-chia).....



"Laufer's list of Chinese borrowings from Persia is: lucerne, grapes, sesame,

flax, onions, shallots, peas, soya, saffron, jasmine, henna, manna, asafoetida,

gall-nut, indigo, pepper, sugar, myrobalan, cumin, basil, pistachio, narcissus,

date-palm, spinach, lettuce, castor oil, almonds, locust-beans, watermelon,

fenugreek, nux vomica, carrots, styrax, myrrh, benjamin, pomegranates,

coriander, walnuts, opium, etc. 

   Conversely, products imported to Persia from China were: bamboo, silk,

peaches, apricots, cinnamon, [cassia], [coptis], rhubarb, China rose, kaolin,

tutenag, pewter and China root....

  

"Among Chinese borrowings from India we may note: Indian hemp, datura,

chaulmoogra, sandalwood, cardamom from Malabar, Indian camphor, cinnamon from

Ceylon, long pepper, cane-sugar, etc.



"In the third century maritime connections were established between the Persian

Gulf and Canton [quite a distance!] and brought flax, hemp, walnuts, bamboos and

saffron to the Far East.



"Well before the hegira, the pomegranate, which the Romans had brought back from

Carthage, arrived in China by way of Kabul (126 BC).



"[from Vietnam the Chinese got] a score of zingiberaceous plants (galangal,

amomum, betony, sweet cyperus, quisqualis, etc.) and four important plants:

cassia, cardamom, the famous eagle wood which does not grow north of the 14th

parallel and the aloe [Vietnamese names omitted]. There is a Chinese saying

which caustically asserts that the Vietnamese is dying under a heap of drugs,

and there is no better way of implying that he fails to obtain the best

advantage from the many medicinal plants growing in his country."



------------



The American is dying under a heap of drugs as well, in part because he fails to

obtain similar advantage. 



Note the contradictory listings--one of the reasons why I distrust this book

some, though it is very well detailed. Anyone know what some of the strange ones

are? Such lists of ancient plant trade drive me wild!





--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: [Q] Hayfever, Echinacea, quercetin, Bromelain, and C

From: marksi@eskimo.com (Mark Simonton)

Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 12:03:27 GMT



Hi, I'm a hayfever suffer,and it's that time of season.  I am

currently taking combinations of the herbs mention in the title, and

am curious as to what the "active ingredients" are and what they act

on, there seems to be a combination of anti-hystamine, decongestant in

the mix (I was told by an MD that C is a decongestant, is this

accurate).  



Also, are there any recomendations on dosage?  is there a possable

toxic side-effect?



I'll watch for a response here, I'm sure I'm not the only one

interested in this type of information.



Thanks,

marksi@eskimo.com

==============================================

the engine is running, the wheels are turning, 

where's the steering wheel?

==============================================





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: [Q] Hayfever, Echinacea, quercetin, Bromelain, and C

From: moreta@prostar.com (Moreta)

Date: 27 May 95 17:04:52 PDT



there are a few things that have worked for me, and for others.. some more 

so some less so.. 



Pynogemen.. from what I have read on it, one of its properties is as a 

histamine blocker.. whether it works for everyone or not I don't know.. I 

know that if I get the watering, ichy, swollen eyes etc.. if I take it I 

get relief withing an hour..I am usually taking anywhere from 40-120 mg a 

day. I take a specific brand, I know that one works for me, whether its 

strickly the pynogemen in it or the vitamins/minerals combined in it that 

assist it and make it work or whether its the vitamins and minerals 

exclusively giving me the results I don't know all I know is it works for 

me.  



Echinacea... I have used this prior to using the pynogemin, it worked with 

a few allergies I had, didn't for others.. and it didn't seem to matter on 

the dossage at least for me.. Usally 10-20 drops did it for me.. 



Ma Huang....I can take this, with no problems....others can't.. so you have 

to know your own body well enough, and also understand that if you have 

Hypertension, Cardiac problems, Diabetes you can't take it..and shouldn't 

take it. It takes from about 1-5 drops in a synergistic solution or other 

herbs, it doesn't hyp me, doesn't give me any other results at that level 

except to clear the reaction I am having. 



Each person is different. sometimes one thing that will work for one person 

wont work for another.. you have to experiment in that regard.  



And before anyone starts screaming that this is an ad..its not.. Yes I own 

a mail order business, and yes it deals with herbs etc.. however, I really 

don't care what brand you buy or who you buy from as long as you are 

getting what you need from a company, or product. And you are happy where 

you are getting it from.. go for it. ;> 



Mo

  

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: marksi@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: [Q] Hayfever, Echinacea, quercetin, Bromelain, and C

From: CCC <None>

Date: 30 May 1995 17:08:27 GMT



marksi@eskimo.com (Mark Simonton) wrote:

>Hi, I'm a hayfever suffer,and it's that time of season.  I am

>currently taking combinations of the herbs mention in the title, and

>am curious as to what the "active ingredients" are and what they act

>on, there seems to be a combination of anti-hystamine, decongestant in

>the mix (I was told by an MD that C is a decongestant, is this

>accurate).  

>

>Also, are there any recomendations on dosage?  is there a possable

>toxic side-effect?

>

>I'll watch for a response here, I'm sure I'm not the only one

>interested in this type of information.

>

>Thanks,

>marksi@eskimo.com

>==============================================

>the engine is running, the wheels are turning, 

>where's the steering wheel?

>==============================================

>

 

A Dr. Frank Stehl in Illinois (708) 653-5755 has a weekly talk show, 

which is named the "Herbal Pharmacy" I know he could tell u everything 

u want to know about these three herbs.  He will ask you questions before

perscribing the right doses.  Also a good local heath food store should

have books on these herbs.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: marksi@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: [Q] Hayfever, Echinacea, quercetin, Bromelain, and C

From: CCC <rrsp@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>

Date: 30 May 1995 17:17:08 GMT



marksi@eskimo.com (Mark Simonton) wrote:

>Hi, I'm a hayfever suffer,and it's that time of season.  I am

>currently taking combinations of the herbs mention in the title, and

>am curious as to what the "active ingredients" are and what they act

>on, there seems to be a combination of anti-hystamine, decongestant in

>the mix (I was told by an MD that C is a decongestant, is this

>accurate).  

>

>Also, are there any recomendations on dosage?  is there a possable

>toxic side-effect?

>

>I'll watch for a response here, I'm sure I'm not the only one

>interested in this type of information.

>



 

A Dr. Frank Stehl in Illinois (708) 653-5755 has a weekly talk show, 

which is named the "Herbal Pharmacy" I know he could tell u everything 

u want to know about these three herbs.  He will ask you questions before

perscribing the right doses.  Also a good local heath food store should

have books on these herbs.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ANY HERBS TO HELP GET PREGNANT?!?!?!

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Thu, 25 May 95 08:26:00 EST



>Usually people posting on here are recommending yams as a method of

>preventing pregnancy rather than enhancing fertility.  In fact, it's

>neither.  The yams story is based on the fact that in the 1940s the doc

>who was one half of the team that invented the Pill (Djerassi) was able

>to extract a sterol compound from wild yams that, with lots of tinkering

>in the lab, he was able to convert into the first orally active progestin.

>The progestin does not exist in yams in the natural state nor does the

>human body convert this substance into any hormones (or at least not any

>more than it does the cholesterol found in eggs and meat to hormones).



The physician to which you refer was Russell Marker, whose work led to the

development of a New Mexican drug company called Syntex.  Marker discovered

that by using the preformed steroidal nucleus of the yam's active substance,

diosgenin, it was possible to synthesize it to progesterone in only

four steps.



The ground roots of the yam was used for centuries by native Mexicans as a

natual contraceptive.  Their claims of effectiveness can probably be

attributed to the yam's high sapogenin content of the steriod type.

Steroidal type compounds behave very much like the sex hormones found in

humans.  It was the native's testimony that led to research of plants

yielding high levels of steroidal sapogenins such as Mexican Yam and

Sarsaparilla as a viable means to synthesize these hormones.  The benefits

are far reaching beyond development of the pill:  the production of

oestrogens in hormone replacement therapy to treat the discomforts of

menopause; progestogens to treat breast cancers; alkaloids to prevent

miscarriage; controlling population on one side of the globe while aiding

the childless couple on the other.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hydrastis Canadensis : Go

From: richard.grossman@greatesc.com (Richard Grossman)

Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 15:41:00 GMT



H>Could anyone please tell me more about this herb and the medcinal

H>properties  of its root ?

H> 

H>Thanks,

H>        Hoppy





Commonly called Golden seal. Any book on herbs will have pages of 

information about it.  Basically it's used as an anti-biotic, and as 

such should not be over-used (e.g. on a daily basis).  It also has some 

positive effects on digestion and constipation.  Tastes horrible. Also 

used historically as a yellow dye.



******************************************************

             Richard Grossman, Lic.Ac., O.M.D.

               (310) 358-6125(voice mail)

              

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Strawberry Time!  Help expand small fruit gene bank.

From: postmanj@ava.bcc.orst.edu (Joseph Postman)

Date: 25 May 1995 17:59:00 GMT





     HELP EXPAND COLLECTION OF STRAWBERRY GENETIC RESOURCES

      ____________________________________________________

  

  Second Post

  Much thanks to those who have responded, and who have already sent seeds. 



   -------------

   You are invited to participate in an experiment in wide-area germplasm

collection.  Please feel free to forward this message to school teachers 

or other appropriate individuals.



   At the National Clonal Germplasm Repository in Corvallis, Oregon, we

maintain plant germplasm collections of several temperate fruit and nut

crops.  These plant collections are freely available to plant breeders and

other researchers around the world.  I would like to test the possibility

of using the internet to access and assemble seed collections of an easily

identified, and easily extracted wild fruit plant.  Wild strawberries 

are beginning to ripen in much of North America, and depending on your 

latitude and elevation may continue during the next month or two.  Wild 

Fragaria virginiana here in Western Oregon are just starting to ripen. 



     We are interested in expanding our collection of *wild* and

preferably *native* strawberry germplasm.  Geographic regions of North

America that are NOT well represented in our strawberry gene bank include

the mid-west, south-east, and south-west U.S. (except California), Alaska,

and central to eastern Canada.  Out of the 50 United States, more than 25

are not represented in our collection!  Seed samples from everywhere

outside of North America are also needed. 



   If you would like to participate in this effort, and enjoy a bit of

your local outdoor environment, please do the following: 



1.  Watch for a patch of wild strawberries in your part of the world.  We

do *not* want seed from cultivated varieties in a garden, or from plants

that may have escaped from cultivation, but from plants that appear to be

a part of the native vegetation. 



2.  If there are ripe fruit present, pick a handful of fruit and place in

a small bag.  Even 5 - 10 fruit will contain a useful quantity of seed,

and no more than 25 fruit from a site are needed.  Be sure to eat some of

the fruit around you and enjoy this spring treat.  This is an excellent

activity for those with young children!  (SCHOOL TEACHERS TAKE NOTE)



3.  Strawberry plants growing very close together may actually be a single

clone, so to get a better representation of the genetic diversity it is

better to collect fruit from several scattered plants at one location.  



(I am only asking for a single sample from each participant.  If you wish

to make additional collections from different locations, or from plants

that appear to be a different species, that would be great.)



4.  Please also collect 2-3 average leaves from the plants to aid us in

species identification.  These can be flattened and dried inside a folded

paper towel. 



5.  Strawberry seeds are easily separated from ripe fruit by placing them

in a household blender with a cup of water and blending at high speed for

just a few seconds. (Not too long, or the seeds may be damaged).  The good

seeds will settle to the bottom, and the fruit pulp and unripe seeds will

float.  Wait a minute or so for the seeds to settle, and pour off the

liquid. The seeds can then be rinsed or scraped out and allowed to dry on

a paper towel. 



   Or, just send the fruit and we will extract the seeds here.  If you are

outside the United States, please extract the seeds, as fresh fruit may

harbor pests and should not be sent into the U.S. from abroad. 



6.  Place the dried seeds, along with a brief note describing where they were

collected, in an envelope and send to the address below.  We would like 

enough information to be able to estimate your latitude, longitude, and 

elevation from our maps.  Comments about the local environment (soil, 

climate, other nearby vegetation) while appreciated, are not necessary.   

Please also enclose the dried leaves, and your name and address so that 

we can acknowledge you as the collector.



7.  There are *no* quarantine restrictions against shipping strawberry

seeds, or dried leaf specimens into or within the United States. 



8.  Seed samples will be deposited in the U.S. National Plant Germplasm

System's repository in Corvallis, Oregon, with your name as the

donor/collector.  We will germinate a few seeds from samples that

represent unique species, or under-represented geographic areas.  Plants

will be evaluated for horticultural and botanical characteristics, and all

samples will be made available to researchers around the world. 



   I will send a brochure describing our plant germplasm conservation

program, and a summary of samples received through this internet

experiment to anyone who participates.  Thank you for your assistance.  





Plant Identification Note:  There are two genera that are easily confused 

with strawberry.  Strawberries nearly always have WHITE flowers.  Potentilla 

and Duchesnea may have very similar leaves and fruit, but most have 

yellow flowers (and the fruit is not sweet).



 Please send seed samples to:



	Strawberry Project

	National Clonal Germplasm Repository

	33447 Peoria Road

	Corvallis, Oregon 97333

	USA



 ============================================================================

       Joseph D. Postman        |       N ational            \

      -PLANT PATHOLOGIST-       |       C lonal            /,,,,\   Eat More

     postmanj@bcc.orst.edu      |       G ermplasm         \,,,,/   Fruit!

     corjp@sol.ars-grin.gov     |       R epository         \,,/

 ============================================================================

	USDA/Agricultural Research Service, Corvallis, Oregon, USA





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Strawberry Time!  Help expand small fruit gene bank.

From: liebsch@bud.indirect.com (William Liebsch)

Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 19:23:28 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cure for Warts

From: Sandra Spriggs <sandra@optimax.ns.ca>

Date: 25 May 1995 15:44:17 -0300



Hi!

Does anyone know of any natural/herbal cure for warts ? 

One of my friends has a recurring wart on her pinky finger, 

and is allergic to most perscription drugs ? If you can help,

please either post direct or e-mail me.

Thanks

Sandra





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cure for Warts

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Fri, 26 May 95 21:30:00 PST



In message ID <3q2j61$raq@Owl.nstn.ca> on 5/25/95, Sandra Spriggs

<sandra@optimax.ns.ca> wrote:



: Hi!

: Does anyone know of any natural/herbal cure for warts ? 

: One of my friends has a recurring wart on her pinky finger, 

: and is allergic to most perscription drugs ? If you can help,

: please either post direct or e-mail me.

: Thanks

: Sandra



She is lucky it is so persistent. Warts are your friend. They may not look real

good, but they are holding your health level for you. Don't pull the finger from

the dike simply due to repulsion or ignorance.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cure for Warts

From: LVT Harrison <lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk>

Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:45:01 +0100



Hi there!

 Buy the wart off her for a penny!

 Alternatively cut a potato in two and rub half on her wart and then bury it.

 :-)

 I have known the latter to work but i cant explain why. As you rub the 

wart ask that it disappear.

  Rainbow Blessings

  Melissa





On Fri, 26 May 1995, Paul Iannone wrote:



> In message ID <3q2j61$raq@Owl.nstn.ca> on 5/25/95, Sandra Spriggs

> <sandra@optimax.ns.ca> wrote:

> 

> : Hi!

> : Does anyone know of any natural/herbal cure for warts ? 

> : One of my friends has a recurring wart on her pinky finger, 

> : and is allergic to most perscription drugs ? If you can help,

> : please either post direct or e-mail me.

> : Thanks

> : Sandra

> 

> She is lucky it is so persistent. Warts are your friend. They may not look real

> good, but they are holding your health level for you. Don't pull the finger from

> the dike simply due to repulsion or ignorance.

> 

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

> 

> --

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cure for Warts

From: paul.maser@megasystem.com (Paul Maser)

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 06:02:00 -0800



SS> >Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

  >Organization: Nova Scotia Technology Network



SS>Hi!

  >Does anyone know of any natural/herbal cure for warts ?

  >One of my friends has a recurring wart on her pinky finger,

  >and is allergic to most perscription drugs ? If you can help,

  >please either post direct or e-mail me.

  >Thanks

  >Sandra

Nothing is finer than castor oil massaged in several times a day.

Paul



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cure for Warts

From: roger <Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk>

Date: 31 May 1995 01:50:37 +0100



  Greetings from the stillroom,

  A most effective cure for warts is to apply the fresh orange coloured sap    

  of Greater Celandine to the wart. The wart will turn black, and will in 

  time, disappear. 

  Regards,

  Sheila.

  

-- 

______________________________________________________________________________

               A dragon in shallows falls victim to shrimps.

______________________________________________________________________________





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Navaho tea

From: robinson@titan.oit.umass.edu (Trevor Robinson)

Date: 25 May 1995 19:40:50 GMT



Does anyone know anything about Navaho tea, also called coto, scientific 

name Thelesperma gracile. How is it used? What is it used for?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Microwave Use

From: Elizabeth_Toews@mindlink.bc.ca (Elizabeth Toews)

Date: Thu, 25 May 95 16:18:24 -0800



I have found that using the microwave to heat herbal teas causes them to

lose their potency.  I felt that the following article might be of

interest. The following is taken from Dr Julian Whitaker's Health & Healing

Newsletter, dated September 1993.

  " In the April 1992 Journal of Pediatrics, researchers at Stanford

University Medical Center reported that microwaving breast milk just to

warm it a little destroyed 98% of its immunoglobulin-A antibodies,

necessary for the passive immunity milk gives to the infant, and 96% of its

liposome activity that inhibits bacteria growth. The researchers concluded

that the microwave radiation itself may have caused damage to milk above

and beyond the heating and Stanford University Medical Center no longer

uses microwaves to warm breast milk.

   In a German study conducted last year, eight people were fed a morning

meal of milk or lightly cooked vegetables, and some were given food that

had been treated by microwaves.  Over the course of the two month study,

each subject had his or her blood drawn three times daily to test nutrient

and bacterial levels.

   The blood measurements of the subjects who ate the microwaved food were

particularly disturbing, because they indicated changes in food that can't

be measured before it is ingested.  Amoung the findings:

-microwave heating of milk or microwave cooking of vegetables was

associated with a decline in various hemoglobin levels. Such reductions may

signify anemia, which can lead to rheumatism, fever, and thyroid

insufficiency.

-microwave cooking of vegetables was associated with the greatest drop in

lymphocytes and highest rise in leukocyte counts.  Oddly, this indicates

that the subjects were responding to the food as if it were an infectious

agent.

-both high density and low density lipoprotein levels - measures of

cholesterol - rose significantly after the consumption of microwaved

vegetables.

-the radiation levels of light emitting bacteria were highest in those who

consumed microwaved food, suggesting that the microwave energy may have

been transferred from food to subject.

   It is no surprise that microwave heating of food results in losses of

nutrients - all heating methods do this, although microwave heating appears

to produce the greatest loss contain additives such as plasticizers which,

when heated, can migrate into the food.  Plastic wrap does not contain

plasticizers and is generally safe to use in a microwave."



Best Health Wishes





--



Elizabeth Toews    Back To Nature Products     Mission, B.C.

Ind. Distributor for Nature's Sunshine Products and Fine Herbs

email:  elizabeth_toews@mindlink.bc.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Microwave Use

From: u9207055@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (S. Koch-kattenstroth)

Date: 29 May 1995 17:11:33 -0400





How or where would I be able to get a copy of Dr. Julian Whitaker's Health 

and Healing newsletter?

Are there any other reports about the dangers/effects of microwaves that 

you've found interesting?

Any information would be appreciated!

Sandra





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Microwave Use

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 30 May 95 18:20:24 PST



In message ID <71224-801443904@mindlink.bc.ca> on 5/25/95, Elizabeth Toews

<Elizabeth_Toews@mindlink.bc.ca> wrote:



:    In a German study conducted last year, eight people were fed a

: morning meal of milk or lightly cooked vegetables, and some were

: given food that had been treated by microwaves.  Over the course of

: the two month study, each subject had his or her blood drawn three

: times daily to test nutrient and bacterial levels.



You have got to be kidding. Eight people over two months????



Your sources have very long ears and noses, and wish to pin the tail on you.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: coloidal silver

From: jon@orion.dungeon.com (Jon Andrews)

Date: Fri, 26 May 95 00:22:24 GMT



Does anyone know wher I can find a supply of coloidal silver for medicinal usage,

I have found a supply overseas but the shipping costs make it too costly, however if I

could find a supply either in the U.K or Europe it would be a great help. e-mail; please

thanking you in advance.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hellenic Green Herbs address needed

From: lsaegert@aol.com (LSaegert)

Date: 25 May 1995 20:44:35 -0400



Does anyone know the Email address of the above? I know it's something

like

Karl125@athena.compulink.forthright.com.gr but I'm not sure. Thanks,

Linda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Quinoa

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 25 May 1995 19:38:58 -0700



What is quinoa (yes, that's the correct spelling) and what, if any, 

medicinal properties does it possess?  Also, do any of the other following

have any medicinal properties?



     Carob

     Chicory

     Cardamom

     Nutmeg

     Black Pepper



Thanks!



-j





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Quinoa

From: jclarke@lamar.ColoState.EDU (James Clarke)

Date: 26 May 1995 10:59:23 -0600



Jennifer B. Jakiel (jakiel@crl.com) wrote:

: What is quinoa (yes, that's the correct spelling) and what, if any, 

: medicinal properties does it possess?  Also, do any of the other following

: have any medicinal properties?



:      Carob

:      Chicory

:      Cardamom

:      Nutmeg

:      Black Pepper



: Thanks!



: -j



Ah! Something I can comment on.  Quinoa is a grain product from the

Andes of South American.  Cook it like rice.  Tastes vaguely "green",

perhaps like broccoli.  Supposed high in protein, but unaware of any

"medicinal" use.





Chris Clarke





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: jakiel

Subject: Re: Quinoa

From: Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 26 May 1995 22:56:05 GMT



jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel) wrote:

>What is quinoa (yes, that's the correct spelling) and what, if any, 

>medicinal properties does it possess?  Also, do any of the other following

>have any medicinal properties?

>

>     Carob

>     Chicory

>     Cardamom

>     Nutmeg

>     Black Pepper

>



Jennifer,



All the substances you mention are chiefly foods.  Quinoa (pronounced

keen-wa) is a ancient grain, similar to barley.  As for carob, it is 

similar in taste to chocolate.  Roasted chicory root can be used like 

coffee.  And cardamom, nutmeg and black pepper are spices of course.  As 

for medicinal uses, well food can be medicinal.  Cardamom is probably a 

carminative, but can't speak to the others.



Gary





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chapparal Happiness

From: jon@shore.net (Jon Hoffman)

Date: 26 May 1995 04:07:12 GMT



	Anyone with any experiences good or bad to report about Chapparal?

I have found it to be an excellent herb to use, although I have always 

used it sparingly, infrequently and with great respect as it is Extremely 

powerfull. I have found that if I am very sick with either a viral or 

bacterial infection, in the Blood,Throat,or lungs if I am not getting 

better from the standard: Echinacea, Garlic, Vitamin C and Juice The 

added kick from a pinch of chapparal leaves in my tea a few times daily 

does the trick. My sister finally responded to my famous Lung tea when I 

added a pinch of Chapparal. I decided to add it because she had a heavy 

deep lung infection for several weeks. Bronchitis bordering on Pneumonia. 

I still have found that GARLIC is the most ESSENTIAL therapy for fighting 

infection especially when deep in the lungs. One final word about 

chapparal I have made an excellent gargle by brewing a small palm full of 

leaves in 1 quart of water for 15-35 minutes. I swish and gargle many 

times daily but(ONLY WHEN MY THROAT is infected).



	My feelings are that Chapparal is Powerful and safe, only if used 

in the correct small doses for a short time. It can be very toxic if too 

much is taken at once or over a long period of time. My sister has voiced 

some concerns about a report about a woman Dying from Liver failure due 

to Chapparal. I would think that perhaps she was taking WAY too much at 

once or over a LONG period of time, or maby she was allergic?? Any 

opinions or info?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chapparal Happiness

From: jnichola@vt.edu (j nicholas)

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 00:36:04 -0600



In article <3q3k5g$bos@shore.shore.net>, jon@shore.net (Jon Hoffman) wrote:

>         My feelings are that Chapparal is Powerful and safe, only if used 

> in the correct small doses for a short time. It can be very toxic if too 

> much is taken at once or over a long period of time. 



I thought they took chapparal off the market because it could become

toxic.  Can you still buy this over the counter?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lung Tea Recipe

From: jon@shore.net (Jon Hoffman)

Date: 26 May 1995 04:17:01 GMT



	Jon's Lung Tea:  For Coughs,iritation of Bronchii and Throat

	

	1 Part Coltsfoot herb

	1 Part Mullien herb

	1 Part Twig of licorice root (use to your own taste has benifit also)

	

	For Persistant Cough ADD:

	1/4 Part Lobelia herb    -use only for a week

	1/4 Part Lungwort(Pulmonaria Officinalis)  -Hard to find, also known

						as Spotted Comfrey

	For Deep infections (Bronchitis,Pneumonia etc...):

	1 pinch Chapparal leaves(Dried herb) per 1/2 Quart of water.

Chapparal is added to boiling water for 10 mins. The other herbs are to 

be infused for 10+minutes in the tea cup/pot.

	





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells Bad! -Not.  used in cookies?

From: jacob013@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Eric R Jacobson)

Date: 25 May 1995 23:33:44 -0500



Everyone posting to this thread seems to think valerian root **stinks!**



I disagree. It has a strong smell, yes. Pleasantly medicinal, yes.  Perhaps

one isn't likely to get hooked on the smell, sure.  But  *stink* ,  no.



Indeed i read somewhere that it is used to flavor cookies or cakes in 

some (European?) culture.  Does anyone here know about this? Or have a

recipe? 



Eric





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Book review The Sharman's Apprentice

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 26 May 1995 06:36:01 GMT



To: Holistic Discussion Group <HOLISTIC%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu> From: adamtfg@ozemail.com.au

Subject: Book review endanged species interest Cc: paracelsus@teleport.com.	medit-plants@ucdavis.edu Bcc: medit-plants@ucdavis.edu

X-Attachments:



Book Review Michael Bailes



Tales of a Sharmans Apprentice

by Mark J. Plotkin Ph.D.



Have you ever read a book and then wanted to rush out and make everyone else you know read it?? That was my reaction to Tales of a Sharmans Apprentice. The book tells of Marks(I need to use his first name, as after reading his story I feel I know him) visits to the South American Rainforests to collect information on the native Indians uses of plants. His adventures are incredible yet retold in a calm, ingenuous way. For example he arrives in a country racked by Civil War and complains that he cant ge

t any food and supplies for his six weeks journey into the remote forest. I am thinking, what are you doing there anyway, you madman!! His adventures are straight out of The Raiders of the Lost Ark and even more remarkable because they are retold as if he is taking a stroll through an English country garden. 



So much for the excitement and amazing adventures. Mark then intersperses this ripping yarn with fascinating fingernail sketch histories of the plants, places and peoples he visits.

 All come alive in his telling. 

There are fascinating throw away lines on all sorts of plants. 



The ancient Greeks valued orchids as treatments for sexual disorders. Indeed, the name orchid is derived from the Greek word meaning testicle... 



The Indians make Mark a bow and he goes fishing with them the Indian accuracy with a bow is nothing short of miraculous. 



I.. reached for the fish with my hand, as I did so, an Indian from a neighbouring canoe fired an arrow at the same fish... the arrow passed between my third and fourth fingers, striking the fish in the gills.

 I looked over at the other canoe, stunned. Better not use your hands, said the Indian with a sheepish smile. 



This is an important book because of what it has to teach us about conservation. 



Each time one of these medicine men(or women) dies, it is as if a library has gone up in flames and



Unfortunately, most people are not intrigued by plants; and many conservationists regard them as something that goes in one end of a Panda and out the other. You cannot save the animal, 

however, unless you also save the plant it feeds on. 



The Sharmans Apprentice has a lot to tell us about indigenous peoples everywhere including Australians and others in our region. It should be read by missionaries, social workers, herbalists, conservationists, politicians, gardeners, doctors, pharmacists, teachers, anthropologists, educationalists, Malaysian ministers and anyone who cares about the future. (Some enterprising Australian filmmaker needs to tie up the film rights before Spielberg does!!). Am I being evangelist enough? My problem now is do I

 reread my one copy or do I lend it to a friend.. 



                                Michael Bailes

                                The Fragrant Garden

                                25 Portsmouth Road

                                   Erina 2250

                                N.S.W, Australia

             

We can complain that rose bushes have thorns or rejoyce that thorn bushes have roses.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel (prevent it!)

From: iris@netaxs.com (S. Young)

Date: 26 May 1995 15:03:29 GMT



The best treatement for Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is prevention.



Take a look at the Carpal Tunnel Syndrome Home Page at

http://www.netaxs.com/~iris/cts



and specifically, at http://www.netaxs.com/~iris/cts/compfort.html



Sara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Books

From: karyn.siegel-maier@kotl.uu.ids.net

Date: Fri, 26 May 95 12:43:00 EST





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help for Fibromyalgia

From: sshumake@unlinfo.unl.edu (stephen shumake)

Date: 26 May 1995 18:45:16 GMT



Hey all,

     	I have been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and am not too hip on 

taking the anti-depressives that the physicians recommend. Is there 

something that can help me to increase the level of seretonin in my 

brain or help this condition at all? 

     I have started to practice Tai Chi and that is helping, but I 

feel like an old man. Any help is greatly appreciated,



     	Steve

     	stephens@unllib.unl.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for Fibromyalgia

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sat, 27 May 95 10:41:54 PST



In message ID <3q57jt$84p@crcnis3.unl.edu> on 5/26/95, stephen shumake

<sshumake@unlinfo.unl.edu> wrote:



: Hey all,

:       I have been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and am not too hip on 

: taking the anti-depressives that the physicians recommend. Is there 

: something that can help me to increase the level of seretonin in my 

: brain or help this condition at all? 

:      I have started to practice Tai Chi and that is helping, but I 

: feel like an old man. Any help is greatly appreciated,

: 

:       Steve

:       stephens@unllib.unl.edu



See an acupuncturist. You need an actual diagnosis, not this Fibromyalgia

syndrome nonsense (this is presuming that you did not have rheumatic,

repiratory, or skin disease as a child--in which case you should get traditional

homeopathic care and skip the drug and acupuncturist approaches both).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for Fibromyalgia

From: msearcy@pinc.com (M. Searcy)

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 19:44:56 -0800



In article <0037B331.fc@pop.com>, p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) wrote:

> See an acupuncturist. You need an actual diagnosis, not this Fibromyalgia

> syndrome nonsense 



I assume Paul that you are well meaning and sincere.  However, your

understanding of Fibromyalgia is abyssmal and your advice less than

appealing as a result.  Stephen check out alt.med.fibromyalgia, at least

you'll find people who understand.



Cheers, Maggie                      I used to be Snow White ... but I drifted.

                                              Mae West





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for Fibromyalgia

From: barbara@iadfw.net (Barbara Blanton)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 00:30:53 -0500 (CDT)



Paul, just what are your credentials to make such a comment?  You are

wrong, my friend.  Suggest you be more careful in the future about

your pronouncements.  Barbara Blanton, RN, MSN



msearcy@pinc.com (M. Searcy) wrote:



>In article <0037B331.fc@pop.com>, p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) wrote:

>> See an acupuncturist. You need an actual diagnosis, not this Fibromyalgia

>> syndrome nonsense 



>I assume Paul that you are well meaning and sincere.  However, your

>understanding of Fibromyalgia is abyssmal and your advice less than

>appealing as a result.  Stephen check out alt.med.fibromyalgia, at least

>you'll find people who understand.



>Cheers, Maggie                      I used to be Snow White ... but I drifted.

>                                              Mae West





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for Fibromyalgia

From: ssotona@mindspring.com (Shirley Sotona)

Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 19:20:55 -0400



In article <3q57jt$84p@crcnis3.unl.edu> sshumake@unlinfo.unl.edu (stephen shumake) writes:

>From: sshumake@unlinfo.unl.edu (stephen shumake)

>Subject: Help for Fibromyalgia

>Date: 26 May 1995 18:45:16 GMT



>Hey all,

>        I have been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and am not too hip on 

>taking the anti-depressives that the physicians recommend. Is there 

>something that can help me to increase the level of seretonin in my 

>brain or help this condition at all? 

>     I have started to practice Tai Chi and that is helping, but I 

>feel like an old man. Any help is greatly appreciated,



>        Steve

>        stephens@unllib.unl.edu



I have two friends who have Fibromyalgia--one mildly, one severely 

(debilitatingly).  Both of them feel "much better", depite the initial 

discomfort, when they exercise moderately, but regularly (several times a 

week).  I have migraines, a condition also related to serotonin levels, and I 

find that my migraines aren't as easily triggered when I work out frequently.  



Shirley





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for Fibromyalgia

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Tue, 30 May 95 22:55:45 PST



In message ID <msearcy-2805951944560001@buggs.pinc.com> on 5/28/95, M. Searcy

<msearcy@pinc.com> wrote:



: In article <0037B331.fc@pop.com>, p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) wrote:

: > See an acupuncturist. You need an actual diagnosis, not this Fibromyalgia

: > syndrome nonsense 

: 

: I assume Paul that you are well meaning and sincere.  However, your

: understanding of Fibromyalgia is abyssmal and your advice less than

: appealing as a result.  Stephen check out alt.med.fibromyalgia, at

: least you'll find people who understand.

: 

: Cheers, Maggie



Oh, you mean that the syndrome's cause is understood? I simply meant that

alternative diagnosis is certainly worth pursuing. What I do know about

fibromyalgia is that it is a domain of illness that has MANY causes. If

treatment, from whatever source, is personalized and holistic in nature, than

that is fine. The inability of conventional medicine to do that is worth noting.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Royal Jelly

From: douglas.wiggins@nwcs.org (Douglas Wiggins)

Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 19:10:00 GMT



I have found some relatively inexpensive* sources for good quality

royal jelly and wanted to post that information to one of the

groups, but can't figure out which one it should go to - any

suggestions?



* $12 / 2oz is the highest price, and it goes down with quantity.



It is so frequently used together with ginseng that it almost fits

here (I have never found the commercial blends of gensing and royal

jelly to be effective, but when I buy the roots vacuum-packed from

a Chinese grocer, 30 to 50 mature roots to a $70 tin, and use the

a dilute water extract of that with a gram or so of royal jelly, it

seems to provide maximum energy - sometimes I leave out the

ginseng, as one can get too much of that.)



Bees create royal jelly as a glandular excretion, so it is not

herbal, no matter how much pollen and nectar the bees consume to

make it.



Let me know where to go - within Internet dimensions only, please.



  -Douglas Wiggins zoron@nwcs.org, Portland, Oregon

---

 * OLX 2.2 TD * Lampwork for Aromatherapy & Perfume Retail Counters





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sexual Sedative for ovulation period??

From: anpu@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Tufani Mayfield)

Date: 26 May 1995 15:02:14 -0600



Does anyone know of any sexual depressants that may be used to curb a woman's

sexual appetitie during ovulation?  To curb the sexual appetite in general..?



Thank you in advance.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sexual Sedative for ovulation period??

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 28 May 95 16:56:30 PST



In message ID <3q5fkm$1bnt@lamar.ColoState.EDU> on 5/26/95, Tufani Mayfield

<anpu@lamar.ColoState.EDU> wrote:



: Does anyone know of any sexual depressants that may be used to curb

: a woman's sexual appetitie during ovulation?  To curb the sexual

: appetite in general..?

: 

: Thank you in advance.



Such high sexuality problems are due to Kidney Yin Deficiency Heat. Any

acupuncturist can recommend the appropriate formula, or you can get Chih Bai Di

huang Wan from Chinatown. NO coffee.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to enhance dreaming

From: anpu@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Tufani Mayfield)

Date: 26 May 1995 15:07:04 -0600



Hope i'm not *TOO* late in responding to this.  I just recently learned

that Kava Kava is an excellent dream induction herb.  May be found in any

good health food store in tincture form.  Used in the Pacific Islands for 

spiritual objectives, it is excellent for dreams!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: anpu@lamar.colostate.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs to enhance dreaming

From: AYO <Mpavis@Earthlink.net>

Date: 28 May 1995 08:39:40 GMT



Dear Ms. Tufani Mayfield



            I am curious as to where you discovered this information.

 Respectfully

  Ayo





From: anpu@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Tufani Mayfield)

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to enhance dreaming

Date: 26 May 1995 15:07:04 -0600

Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523

Message-ID: <3q5fto$3tco@lamar.ColoState.EDU>



Hope i'm not *TOO* late in responding to this.  I just recently learned

that Kava Kava is an excellent dream induction herb.  May be found in any

good health food store in tincture form.  Used in the Pacific Islands for 

spiritual objectives, it is excellent for dreams!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: kudzu

From: JLYNCH%UKANVM.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU

Date: 26 May 1995 22:51:35 GMT





I've heard that kudzu root is used as a treatment for alcoholism, and then

I saw an ad for it where they said it was being used for headaches. Does

anyone have additional info. or personal info. about it. Does it work as a

pain reliever? Please e-mail me at: jlynch@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu



or post to this group.   THANKS!!



For information about this Usenet posting service, send mail to

remailer@csua.berkeley.edu, with Subject: remailer-info.

Please, don't throw knives.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: DC Was Re: Bilberry (Miracle Herb?)

From: drweed@delphi.com (Duane Weed, D.C.)

Date: 27 May 1995 00:16:26 GMT



>>  

>>   Dr. Duane Weed, DC  <*>  A Better Way - E-Mail request for my FREE

>>   drweed@delphi.com   <*>  Herb Guide/Catalog. Include snail address.

> 

> 

>Is your doctorate in medicine?

>--  

>David Powner                   Internet: David@filtermx.demon.co.uk

>Micronair {Pollution Control}  Phone   :(01782) 565816

>1 Blackthorn Place             Fax     :(01782) 565834

>Newcastle under Lyme           Data    :(01782) 562213 (24hr BBS to V32)

>ST5 7BE          U.K.          Mobile  : 0831 879135

> 

    Closely observe the signature. "DC" stand for "Doctor of Chiropractic."

I realize that some might not know that, so it doesn't hurt to ask.

Chiropractic is a branch of medicine so my doctorate is in medicine in

the broad sense. But if by that question you mean "MD" then the answer is

quite obvious. BTW, you have chiropractors in the UK. There is a

chiropractic college in England I understand.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: 6 yr. old & warts

From: mtambone@aol.com (MTambone)

Date: 26 May 1995 23:43:43 -0400



My six year old has several very small warts on his eyelid and eye brow

line. I'm reluctant to put tea tree oil there. Any other suggestions for

external, internal and age appropriate? Would appreciate email response.



Marcie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lymph Edema

From: alexandura@aol.com (Alexandura)

Date: 27 May 1995 07:40:28 -0400



Does anyone know of any herbs that might help this condition.



I am very large and have sever swelling.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lymph Edema

From: mjames@icis.on.ca (Matthew James)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 00:23:13 GMT



alexandura@aol.com (Alexandura) wrote:



>Does anyone know of any herbs that might help this condition.



>I am very large and have sever swelling.



Let me first say that I am not a doctor and would highly recommend you

going to see a holistic M.D. or a qualified Naturopathy.   That being

said there are some good herbal combinations for cleansing the

lymphatic system like Chapparal and Red Clover .  This formula is

available in any health food store from Hanna Kroger it's called Lymph

Tea.  Certainly a good juice fast to start for 10 days followed by a

Pure Vegetarian Diet may be inorder.  



Certainly don't take my work for it go to your healthfood store and

get some good books and start investigating.  One great book is

"Enclyopedia of Natural Medicine" by Michaeal Murry and Joseph

Pizzorno.



Hope this helps, good luck.



M James





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: FYI: WWW Site on Alternative Health has FDA Raid Info

From: Cori <heron@mars.superlink.net>

Date: 27 May 1995 18:53:12 GMT



I've just discovered Sumeria at 

http://werple.mira.net.au/sumeria/sumeria.html



Go into the Alternative Health area for info on FDA attacks on sellers 

of herbs and other alternative remedies.  They're looking for info to 

update that database.



Tells a bit about the latest legislation on supplements and herbs.



Also check out talk.politics.medicine.



Our access to herbs and supplements is not guaranteed unfortunately.  

Let's stay alert!





Cori





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Comfrey leaves?

From: sashaz@christa.unh.edu (Sasha A Zbitnoff)

Date: 27 May 1995 20:39:21 GMT



I have a healthy crop of comfrey, courtesey of a friend, growing in my garden.

The herb book I have says the beneficial part of the plant are the roots; I

was wondering if the leaves have any properties as well. I don't want to 

uproot them yet, but they definitely need some trimming!



Thanks

Marcella

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Comfrey leaves?

From: jtreasure@jonno.demon.co.uk (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: 27 May 1995 23:04:09 +0100



In article <3q82lp$a2m@mozz.unh.edu>,

sashaz@christa.unh.edu (Sasha A Zbitnoff) wrote:



>I have a healthy crop of comfrey, courtesey of a friend, growing in my garden.

>The herb book I have says the beneficial part of the plant are the roots; I

>was wondering if the leaves have any properties as well.





You not only CAN use the leaves, but SHOULD do so. Comfrey ROOT has been

implicated in the pyrrolizidine alkaloid link with occlusive liver disease.

The leaves are effective both topically and as an infusion and do not

contain pa's to anything like the extent of the root.



The jury is still out however, so err on the safe side and use herb for

internal use, not the root.(BTW - Ignore any posts that follow from the

resident afh scaremongers that suggest you will promptly die if you drink a

cup of comfrey leaf tea - it is extremely hard to ingest sufficient

quantities  of pa's from the herb to even remotely appproach harmful

levels) 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Comfrey leaves?

From: bella.kinney@channel1.com (Bella Kinney)

Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:07:00 -0640



Lucky you are to have your own comfrey patch, Tenney's "Todays Herbal

Health" refers to comfrey as a wound healer, bone knitter, and an aid to

digestion, as well as an overall tonic. A neighbor of ours once gave the

only negative comment that I have ever heard when he tryed to eat it as

a salad! We use a tea of the leaves usually as an ingredient in a tea

for digestive problems. With Mint, marshmallow root, slippery elm bark,

cascara sagrada, and yarrow leaves for constipation or with nettles,

cinquefoil, agrimony, more mint , marshmallow and yarrow for diarrhea.

The crushed fresh leaves make a superlative poultice for a bruise as

well. This is a very useful herb to grow and it's very tenacious, once

it gets a foothold; just please do not try to use it as a salad green

and do your own research, so that you know what you are doing before

you make a single cup o' tea for yourself.

                                 Reverend Bella Kinney





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fu Ling (Poria Cocos), Albi Plaster, and Grifola

From: abbas@sparc.com ()

Date: 27 May 1995 21:41:04 GMT







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Any info on Fu Ling, Albi Plaster, and Grofola

From: abbas@sparc.com ()

Date: 27 May 1995 22:20:04 GMT







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian root smells bad!

From: 00pwgrice@bsuvc.bsu.edu (PHIL GRICE HISTORY GOD)

Date: 27 May 95 22:13:23 -0500



Yes, valerian root smells awful.  However,it is a wonderful herb in many 

respects.  I personally use it in conjuction with naproxen sodium to help 

relieve pain caused by osteoarthritis.  I have it in my back, and I tend to

tense up with the pain that is not relieved by the naproxen; the valerian root

acts as a skeletal muscle relaxant, and it aleviates much of the pain.  Yes,

it does cause some drowsiness, but after taking it for awhile, you get used to

it.  I still take two 00 capsules (475 mg each) at bedtime to help me sleep,

and it works wonderfully.  It is also good for nerves, as I can attest (I also 

have a two year old and it seems that sometimes when you have children you 

MUST have some sort of calmative around!). I cannot say enough good things

about valerian root.  No, I am not a doctor, nor am I a licensed herbalist. I

am merely giving a personal testimony on my use of valerian.  It has really

changed my life--I am no longer in severe pain!



                                  Cheryl L. Grice

                                      "HUH?"   





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: need help

From: Lee Russell <leerus@delphi.com>

Date: Sat, 27 May 95 22:38:39 -0500



I am looking for data on herbs for treating Thyroid conditions and chest

pains, shortness of breath, etc....anyone have ideas to share? thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Techniques for Back Pain Relief

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 28 May 1995 07:16:29 GMT



Am surveying the Net for successful techniques to relieve chronic back

pain. Please E Mail me details. AM very interested in exercise

routines, Feldenkrais and SOmatics routines,and the role of herbs and

amino acids in pain relief. Am doing a weekly posting and eventually a

faq. While message has appeared before, each posting yields new

results. Next posting re partial results of survey will appear early

next week. Please share what has worked for you so that it can

alleviate others suffering.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Techniques for Back Pain Relief

From: mdeacon@indirect.com (M. Deacon)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 22:56:32 GMT



In article <3q980d$rhp@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

Miller) wrote:



> Am surveying the Net for successful techniques to relieve chronic back

> pain. Please E Mail me details. AM very interested in exercise

> routines, Feldenkrais and SOmatics routines,and the role of herbs and

> amino acids in pain relief. Am doing a weekly posting and eventually a

> faq. While message has appeared before, each posting yields new

> results. Next posting re partial results of survey will appear early

> next week. Please share what has worked for you so that it can

> alleviate others suffering



Dear Bob...

    I am sort of a nuubie on the net, so please pardon me if I don't do

this reply correctly.  I, too, suffer from a great deal of back pain,

along with pain just all over sometimes...concentrated in neck, back,

shoulders, elbows, knees, etc. (you probably have heard them all).  The

back pain gets severe enough, I have had to actually sit down on the floor

at a store a couple of times.  What does seem to offer good temporary

relief for me is sitting in my spa for a vigorous water massage (or as

vigorous as I can stand on tender areas) with the temperature of the water

at about 102 to 104 degrees Farenheit.  I usually sit for about an hour ar

two.  This seems to do a little bit more than my various prescription

medications most of the time.  Sitting in a bathtub with hot water helps a

little, but the water massage in the spa appears to be the secret.  If a

person doesn't have a spa, perhaps try a small gym membership just to

allow them to use the spa for a few days, just to see if it would be worth

trying to purchase one for the home.  (prices usually start at around

$1,800 and go up from there)  I am on retirement disability, and have had

Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome since 1987, and was diagnosed

with Fibromyalgia about three years ago.  My daughter was diagnosed last

year with the same things, and has been unable to work since June of

1994.  She is just 26 years old...and Fibro is stealing her life's

ambitions.  She also derives considerable relief from using the spa. 

Maybe this could help others who haven't tried it yet.  Keep up the good

work in trying to help all of us deal with the pain!

Marilyn in Phoenix  

(mdeacon@indirect.com)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Techniques for Back Pain Relief

From: daronm@onramp.net (Lynda Miller)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 19:04:04 CST



>> Am surveying the Net for successful techniques to relieve chronic back

>> pain. Please E Mail me details. AM very interested in exercise



>Dear Bob...

>    I am sort of a nuubie on the net, so please pardon me if I don't do

>this reply correctly.  I, too, suffer from a great deal of back pain,

>along with pain just all over sometimes...concentrated in neck, back,

>shoulders, elbows, knees, etc. (you probably have heard them all).  The

>back pain gets severe enough, I have had to actually sit down on the floor

>at a store a couple of times.  What does seem to offer good temporary

>relief for me is sitting in my spa for a vigorous water massage (or as





I've been using a home traction kit for almost a year.  I only use it when my 

neck, shoulders and back are interfering with my ability to function.



I find that a 30 minute traction session (18 lbs of water) works a miracle on 

me and keeps me fairly pain free for a day or two.



Lynda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Techniques for Back Pain Relief

From: trey@hsv.tybrin.com (Trey McClendon)

Date: 31 May 1995 13:17:41 -0500



Lynda Miller (daronm@onramp.net) wrote:

: >> Am surveying the Net for successful techniques to relieve chronic back

: >> pain. Please E Mail me details. AM very interested in exercise



: >Dear Bob...

: >    I am sort of a nuubie on the net, so please pardon me if I don't do

: >this reply correctly.  I, too, suffer from a great deal of back pain,

: >along with pain just all over sometimes...concentrated in neck, back,

: >shoulders, elbows, knees, etc. (you probably have heard them all).  The

: >back pain gets severe enough, I have had to actually sit down on the floor

: >at a store a couple of times.  What does seem to offer good temporary

: >relief for me is sitting in my spa for a vigorous water massage (or as





: I've been using a home traction kit for almost a year.  I only use it when my 

: neck, shoulders and back are interfering with my ability to function.



: I find that a 30 minute traction session (18 lbs of water) works a miracle on 

: me and keeps me fairly pain free for a day or two.



: Lynda





If you can buy find one, try using a Spinalator traction machine. I used 

one when doing Chiropractor visits a few years ago. It uses a padded 

wheel to 'roll out and stretch' your spine while laying down on the machine.



Trey

-- 

Trey McClendon                    TYBRIN Corporation

trey@hsv.tybrin.com               Huntsville, AL

NeXT / MIME Mail Accepted         Fax:  205-837-3472





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Primrose Oil vs. Evening Primrose Oil is there a difference?

From: sagerl@cadvision.com (Leah)

Date: 28 May 1995 07:55:00 GMT



I have a question for all of the herbal guru's out there.  I recently

same a man in reflexology/acupuncture.  He did the "arm pumping" method

on me.  He found several things in my system and we are now cleansing

it.  Primrose Oil was one of the recommendations, but is there a 

difference between that and Evening Primrose Oil?  Throw me your answers!



Thanks,



... Leah  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Primrose Oil vs. Evening Primrose Oil is there a difference?

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sharon Rust)

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 12:03:49 -0700



In article <3q9a8k$u1s@huey.cadvision.com>, sagerl@cadvision.com (Leah) wrote:



> I have a question for all of the herbal guru's out there.  I recently

> same a man in reflexology/acupuncture.  He did the "arm pumping" method

> on me.  He found several things in my system and we are now cleansing

> it.  Primrose Oil was one of the recommendations, but is there a 

> difference between that and Evening Primrose Oil?  Throw me your answers!

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> ... Leah  



              Two entirely different plants, primrose(primula vulgaris& on

occasion primula veris) and evening primrose(oenothera biennis). the

trouble is some people shorten the common name when talking about evening

primrose so there can be some confusion. 

          Primula is used as an expectorant, and as a mild sedative, it

does contain some salicylates. Primula can be topically  caustic to some

people.       

          Oenothera contains GLA and some potassium salts, and a little

bitter, is used for eczema,PMS, whole plant can be used as a poultice on

skin aliments, as well as the oil. 

          Both primrose and evening primrose have been eaten as greens in

spring.

                                                                                                                    

Sharon Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Primrose Oil vs. Evening Primrose Oil is there a difference?

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: 28 May 1995 22:05:32 +0100



In article: <3q9a8k$u1s@huey.cadvision.com>  sagerl@cadvision.com (Leah) writes:

> 

> I have a question for all of the herbal guru's out there.  I recently

> same a man in reflexology/acupuncture.  He did the "arm pumping" method

> on me.  He found several things in my system and we are now cleansing

> it.  Primrose Oil was one of the recommendations, but is there a 

> difference between that and Evening Primrose Oil?  Throw me your answers!





Shouldn't be any difference, but you never can tell.  You need to ask the person who recommended 

the primrose oil if they have a different meaning. 





> 

> Thanks,

>



you are welcome.



 



-- 

Graham Sorenson                 Guide to Aromatherapy URL

http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pycnogenol

From: Ellen Wilkey <wilkeye@PEAK.ORG>

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 02:55:49 -0700



I would very much appreciate any information or references concerning 

pycnogenol. It's my understanding that it was prepared by Indians in 

Quebec and has many healing properties. Thanks. Ellen 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol

From: jimsqfe@aol.com (JIMSQFE)

Date: 29 May 1995 12:43:29 -0400



I've just learned about pycnogenol too and would like to know if anyone

has any experience with this compound.  I've heard some "testimonials"

that are pretty much "miracle cure" sounding stuff.  I'd like to hear

about some results from people who've taken it more as a preventative. 

Anybody out there know anything?

    Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HELP: Chronic-Post Abortion Vaginitis

From: wilhelm@yakima.wustl.edu (Wilhelm Reich)

Date: 28 May 1995 11:35:09 GMT



Needing advice on chronic vaginal troubles that started during pregnancy 

and continue 8 months after abortion.  Itching, occasional discharge 

(candida-like symptoms).  Tested negative for sexually transmitted 

diseases.  Please E-mail. Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbal courses?

From: pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca (Patrick Gootjes)

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 15:37:49 LOCAL



Hi,



I'm interested in taking a course on herbs and herbal remedies (preferably 

herbs from the west -->europe & north america). Wondering if anyone can help 

me? Thanks.



Pat.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal courses?

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: 28 May 1995 22:57:12 +0100



In article <pgootjes.96.0006D64E@julian.uwo.ca>

           pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca "Patrick Gootjes" writes:



> I'm interested in taking a course on herbs and herbal remedies (preferably 

> herbs from the west -->europe & north america). Wondering if anyone can help 

> me? Thanks.



There are a couple of UK correspondence courses that may be of interest -

email me if you want details.

-- 

David Powner





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal courses?

From: Anne Exton Stone <aes2@acpub.duke.edu>

Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 08:17:53 -0400



On Sun, 28 May 1995, Patrick Gootjes wrote:



> Date: Sun, 28 MAY 1995 15:37:49 LOCAL 

> From: Patrick Gootjes <pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca>

> Newgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

> Subject: herbal courses? 

> 

> Hi,

> 

> I'm interested in taking a course on herbs and herbal remedies (preferably 

> herbs from the west -->europe & north america). Wondering if anyone can help 

> me? Thanks.

> 

> Pat.





Pat,



	I have noticed that the magazine, The Herb Companion, lists many such 

courses. This is a wonderful magazine and one I would not live without. > > 

Enjoy



Anne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal courses?

From: mcalvert@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Murray Brain Calvert)

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:44:36 GMT



Patrick Gootjes (pgootjes@julian.uwo.ca) wrote:



: I'm interested in taking a course on herbs and herbal remedies (preferably 

: herbs from the west -->europe & north america). Wondering if anyone can help 

: me? Thanks.



 A weekend course in herbal lore will be offered August 25-27 near

Collingwood, Ontario. Unfortunately, I don't know much about the

instructor, but I can vouch for the camp it is being held at. Write

to First Unitarian Congregation of Toronto, 175 St. Clair St. W.,

Toronto, Ont. M4V 1P7 and ask for a Unicamp brochure. 



Brian Calvert (mcalvert@spartan.ac.brocku.ca)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: bodybuilding

From: christopher.booker@shadoe.org (CHRISTOPHER BOOKER)

Date: Sun, 28 May 95 06:43:00 -0600



  I'm looking for herbs that are benificial to bodybuilders.Any

suggestions would be appreciated.christopher.booker@shadoe.org





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Stroke

From: java2@cml.com (java2)

Date: 28 May 95 12:48:57 GMT



Does anyone know of a herbal remedy which would help alleviate the 

effects of a mild stroke, and perhaps prevent further damage?

Rihgt now two aspirins a day, have been recommended by physician.



Please post response or e-mail.



Thank you.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stroke

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: Sun, 28 May 95 16:56:16 PST



In message ID <ragnaroek1995May28.084857.18649@news2.compulink.com>

X-Nntp-Posting-Host: cml.com on 5/28/95, java2 <java2@cml.com> wrote:



: Does anyone know of a herbal remedy which would help alleviate the 

: effects of a mild stroke, and perhaps prevent further damage?

: Rihgt now two aspirins a day, have been recommended by physician.

: 

: Please post response or e-mail.

: 

: Thank you.



See an acupuncturist ASAP. There are several possible formulas (and needle

prescriptions), but particularization MUST be made in such cases.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Book References on Chronic Pain Wanted

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 28 May 1995 13:51:36 GMT



Please advise via E Mail of books dealing with chronic pain relief and

chronic pain in general.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Book References on Chronic Pain Wanted

From: craet@ix.netcom.com (Coleen Trout )

Date: 28 May 1995 16:27:53 GMT



In <3q9v58$773@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

Miller) writes: 

>

>Please advise via E Mail of books dealing with chronic pain relief and

>chronic pain in general.





Chronic Muscle Pain Syndrome by Paul Davidson, MD, is a good book,easy

to read, details trigger points and treatment.  Available in paperback

for $5.50.  Only book I've found relating to FM.  Hope this helps.

Coleen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Book References on Chronic Pain Wanted

From: wiscccrn@aol.com (WISCCCRN)

Date: 29 May 1995 23:11:14 -0400



References to Chronic Pain are flourishing out there; somewhere on the 

Internet, there's a maintained list of books and resources.  There is

currently

a lot of research about the origins of chronic pain, and relationships

between

brain encephalopathies, lyme disease, "fibromyalgia", etc.

One resource:  WHEN MUSCLE PAIN WON'T GO AWAY, by Gayle Backstrom

with Dr. Bernard R. Rubin, 1992, Taylor Publishing Co.



Another resource:  Fibromyalgia:  Fighting Back, by Bev Spencer

Another resource:  Coping with Fibromyalgia, by Beth Ediger



I found these paperbacks at the Mayo health bookstore in Rochester, MN

Good Luck!!

Expert in this syndrome since age 11, all 33 years' worth  :):)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Book References on Chronic Pain Wanted

From: shelbyb@ix.netcom.com (Harold Boxenbaum)

Date: 28 May 1995 16:29:27 GMT



In <3q9v58$773@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

Miller) writes: 

>

>Please advise via E Mail of books dealing with chronic pain relief and

>chronic pain in general.





Border's book store is usually a great source of books on subjects like

this for the lay-person.  Visit, have a cappachino, and read.  Harold. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Book References on Chronic Pain Wanted

From: us006195@interramp.com (Fred B. Ringel)

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 14:59:28 -0400



In article <3q9v58$773@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert

Miller) wrote:



>Please advise via E Mail of books dealing with chronic pain relief and

>chronic pain in general.

Robert--

If its not too much trouble and you get responses from your request, please forward them to me as I am a chronic Pain sufferer too. Thanks,

      Fred B. Ringel

-- 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Book References on Chronic Pain Wanted

From: netkid@netcom.com

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 15:19:53 GMT



In <3q9v58$773@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller) writes:

>Please advise via E Mail of books dealing with chronic pain relief and

>chronic pain in general.



Full Catastrophe Living, Jon Kabat-Zinn, 1990, Dell Publishing, ISBN 

0-385-30312-2.  Feature on Bill Moyers' Healing and the Mind.  What to do for 

pain when the doctors give up.

---

Jim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Role of AMino Acids in Pain Relief- Information Wanted

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 28 May 1995 13:54:09 GMT



Please advise via E Mail of actual pain relieving experiences or

studies showing effectiveness of amino acids in pain relief. Please

advise of amino acid, dosage, actual experience or textual or magazine

reference.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: colloidal silver

From: jon@orion.dungeon.com (Jon Andrews)

Date: Sun, 28 May 95 17:12:01 GMT



I am trying to find a source of colloidal silver for medicinal use, I seem to have found it in both the

U.S and Canada but the shipping costs make it far to expensive, does anyone know of a U.K or

European supply? e-mail please, thanks in advance.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fornets Palm.

From: Stefan Persson <stefan@sorcerer.chem.umu.se>

Date: 28 May 1995 17:30:47 GMT



Where grows the herb FORNET'S PALM, also called FORNEOTES FOLM in anglosaxian

herb medicin?  Are there other names of it in other tongues?



Please mail answers to  <stefan@sorcerer.chem.umu.se>.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Repellants

From: sylvi@iglou.com

Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 21:35:02 GMT



I've heard of repellants to keep bugs away from flower beds and gardens..naturally. And, I know I have 

heard of something to keep dogs and cats away as well, altho I have no idea what it is. My problem is 

:shudder: lizards and snakes..especially lizards. I live in the country and those darn little things keep 

wandering their way on the porch, deck, flower beds, front porch..one even found its way into the house 

once via an open window! EEP! Is there anything out there that I can scatter or put around doors, steps, 

windows, etc to keep them away? 



I haven't seen anything in the actual gardening departments on a chemical basis..would like to go natural if 

I could anyway. And, I happen to be a strong believer in herbs and their uses. So..I figured I would take a 

chance. Anyone have any suggestions? These little rascals seem to be getting worse and braver every 

year. :/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Repellants

From: roger <Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk>

Date: 31 May 1995 01:50:39 +0100



Greetings,



It has been said that if you rub Pennyroyal on your doorstep, the ants will

not cross the line, fleas don't like it either, but I don't think it will

stop anything bigger.

Regards,

Sheila.

-- 

______________________________________________________________________________

               A dragon in shallows falls victim to shrimps.

______________________________________________________________________________





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb files/help needed

From: jyeaman@cml.com (jyeaman)

Date: 28 May 95 23:05:28 GMT



Hi, I am just new to herbalism and am in need of some guidance:) I am 

looking for files or email msgs about herbs, mostly herbs to put in 

satchets for specific reasons such as good dreams, health, prosperity, 

protection and such. I am really really interested in finding herbs that 

help with dreaming (be it lucid or good dreams) and herbs that heighten 

psychic abilities, either by being held/put under pillow or (which I am 

not so fond of because of my newness to the herb world) taken internally.

Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks again!



>From  Jen



You can reach me at jyeaman@cml.com

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb files/help needed

From: LVT Harrison <lvth1@unix.york.ac.uk>

Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 10:48:52 +0100



Hi there!

  Mugwort is a nother good dream herb! fill a sachet with it.

 I find that my best dreams come when ive overslept! Try it, go to bed 

earlier then usual or do this on a sunday or on an evening when you dont 

have to get up in the morning. :)

 Try reading any of Scott Cunninghams books too, such as The 

Encyclopeadia of Magical Herbs.

  Rainbow Blessings

   Melissa





On 28 May 1995, jyeaman wrote:



> Hi, I am just new to herbalism and am in need of some guidance:) I am 

> looking for files or email msgs about herbs, mostly herbs to put in 

> satchets for specific reasons such as good dreams, health, prosperity, 

> protection and such. I am really really interested in finding herbs that 

> help with dreaming (be it lucid or good dreams) and herbs that heighten 

> psychic abilities, either by being held/put under pillow or (which I am 

> not so fond of because of my newness to the herb world) taken internally.

> Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks again!

> 

> From Jen

> 

> You can reach me at jyeaman@cml.com

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Curry Plant

From: zszcz@ripco.com (Sophia Szczepkowski)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 00:43:04 GMT



What is this use for? 

 thanks

   sophi



--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Curry Plant

From: roger <Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk>

Date: 31 May 1995 01:50:42 +0100



In article <D9BDzt.9H8@rci.ripco.com>

           zszcz@ripco.com "Sophia Szczepkowski" writes:



> What is this use for? 



****

Flavouring soups, stews etc. 

Don't forget to remove sprig before serving.

**** 

 

______________________________________________________________________________

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Melatonin is NOT melanin  (was: Methods to Release Endorphins)

From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)

Date: 28 May 1995 21:10:19 -0500



-*----

In article <psyclerD9BBvv.D8H@netcom.com>,  <TK> wrote:

> But melatonin is the chemical responsible for giving your skin 

> a tan in response to exposure to sunlight. ...



Well, no.



But what's a syllable between friends?



Russell

-- 

"Why does our innate subjective spacing of qualities accord so well with the

functionally relevant groupings in nature as to make our inductions come out

right? ...  Creatures inveterately wrong in their inductions have a pathetic

but praiseworthy tendency to die before reproducing."   --  W. V. O. Quine





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin is NOT melanin  (was: Methods to Release Endorphins)

From: bpvanstr@yoho.uwaterloo.ca (Brian Van Straalen)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 17:50:52 GMT



In article <3qbaeb$hd3@peaches.cs.utexas.edu>,

Russell Turpin <turpin@cs.utexas.edu> wrote:

>-*----

>In article <psyclerD9BBvv.D8H@netcom.com>,  <TK> wrote:

>> But melatonin is the chemical responsible for giving your skin 

>> a tan in response to exposure to sunlight. ...

>

>Well, no.

>

>But what's a syllable between friends?

>



taxonomy is not as silly as you think:



mel-a-to-nin \,mel-e-'to^--nen\ n

[prob. fr. melanocyte + serotonin]

(1958)

:a vertebrate hormone of the pineal gland that produces lightening

     of the skin by causing concentration of melanin in pigment-containing

     cells 



In addition, melatonin is light quantity sensitive.  (My ex-girlfriend 

studied melatonin in rats at one point)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin is NOT melanin  (was: Methods to Release Endorphins)

From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)

Date: 29 May 1995 21:11:06 -0500



-*-----

In article <D9CpKu.D9q@watdragon.uwaterloo.ca>,

Brian Van Straalen <bpvanstr@yoho.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:

> mel-a-to-nin \,mel-e-'to^--nen\ n

> [prob. fr. melanocyte + serotonin]

> (1958) : a vertebrate hormone of the pineal gland that produces 

>          lightening of the skin by causing concentration of melanin 

>          in pigment-containing cells 



Neat.  I did not know this.  (BTW: I was not poking fun at

etymology.  I did not know that the words were related.  Not

all words spelled similarly are.)



Russell



-- 

"Why does our innate subjective spacing of qualities accord so well with the

functionally relevant groupings in nature as to make our inductions come out

right? ...  Creatures inveterately wrong in their inductions have a pathetic

but praiseworthy tendency to die before reproducing."   --  W. V. O. Quine





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin is NOT melanin  (was: Methods to Release Endorphins)

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: 30 May 1995 12:44:35 +0100



In article <3qdurq$jf0@peaches.cs.utexas.edu>

           turpin@cs.utexas.edu "Russell Turpin" writes:

> > mel-a-to-nin \,mel-e-'to^--nen\ n

> > [prob. fr. melanocyte + serotonin]

> > (1958) : a vertebrate hormone of the pineal gland that produces 

> >          lightening of the skin by causing concentration of melanin 

> >          in pigment-containing cells 

> 

Melanin is, as has been rightly stated, a dark pigment controlled by a 

hormone secreted by the pituitary gland.



Melatonin is a hormone derived from seratonin, from the pineal gland. It's

concentration is at it's highest during the dark, and is thought to play

a part in our body rythms.



The connection between the two words is really only likely to be from the

"Mela" meaning dark/black.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin is NOT melanin  (was: Methods to Release Endorphins)

From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu

Date: 30 May 95 02:04:26 -0600



bpvanstr@yoho.uwaterloo.ca (Brian Van Straalen) writes:

> :a vertebrate hormone of the pineal gland that produces lightening

>      of the skin by causing concentration of melanin in

>      pigment-containing cells

 

It does in frogs but is not known to have any effect on human melanocytes.

 

David A. Nye MD (nyeda@uwec.edu) * Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire, WI

Men ought to know that from nothing else but the brain come joy,

despondency and lamentation,...wisdom and knowledge -- Hippocrates





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells

From: douglas.wiggins@nwcs.org (Douglas Wiggins)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:21:00 GMT



FA:valerian is the herb that valium is derived from, or duplicated as the



Sorry, that is totally incorrect. Valium (diazepam) is entirely

synthetic, and not related to the active components of valerian

except in that they are both somewhat sedative.



  -Douglas Wiggins zoron@nwcs.org, Portland, Oregon

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells

From: douglas.wiggins@nwcs.org (Douglas Wiggins)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 12:22:00 GMT





ERJ:Indeed i read somewhere that it is used to flavor cookies or cakes in

ERJ:some (European?) culture.  Does anyone here know about this? Or have a

ERJ:recipe?



Probably the same kind of use that asefoeteda (Devil's dung) has.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells

From: smiller@pacifier.com (smiller)

Date: 31 May 1995 03:28:35 GMT



Oh, you mean asefoeteda as in "Oh, so fetid!" powder.  These people

would probably also enjoy Lapsang Souchoung tea, hee! hee!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian Root Smells

From: scjoseph@aol.com (SCJOSEPH)

Date: 31 May 1995 14:57:33 -0400



Greetings --



smiller wrote:



>These people would probably also enjoy Lapsang Souchoung tea, hee! hee!



Does Lapsang Souchong tea smell bad?  I never noticed.  I always thought

Earl Grey was the foul one.



Peace,



SCJ

Sister Carol Joseph

SCJoseph@aol.com



Emancipate yourself from mental slavery -- none but ourselves can free our

minds.  ---Bob Marley.  In Jah Love.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ginseng gum

From: fconte@world.std.com (frank a conte)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 15:17:53 GMT





Does anyone know where I can get ginseng chewing gum for cheap?



-- 



>from  the desktop of:

--------------------------------

Frank Conte





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng gum

From: trn@netcom.com (ted nichols)

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:54:19 GMT



frank a conte (fconte@world.std.com) wrote:



: Does anyone know where I can get ginseng chewing gum 





I just saw it yesterday on the counter of a health food 

store.  Try calling around your area healthe food stores

and they may have it.  If all else fails, ask me and I 

will get the store's source.





Ted....trn@netcom.com

-- 

   trn@netcom.com



   Ted Nichols





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginseng gum

From: <sdp6@cornell.edu>

Date: 31 May 1995 19:03:21 GMT



Janet Van Nostrand suggests the gum can be found at the Friendship Store 

in Beijing, China. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: A Question: Herbs for Kundalini or Chakra work

From: rickclapp@aol.com (Rick Clapp)

Date: 29 May 1995 12:50:29 -0400



I've been running into a few problems with awakening of the chakras via

the Kundalini methods.  The throat chakra is especially acting up, and

won't clear.  Has anyone heard of any herbs used to clear the energy

channels, and such, that don't cost an arm and a leg?  Please respond by

posting and EMAIL.  Thanks.



Richard Clapp

6797 Gafford Drive

Columbus, OH  43229



RickClapp@AOL.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: pycnogenol allergies?

From: njameson@earthlink.net (Nick Jameson)

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 14:38:12 -0700



I'd greatly appreciate hearing from anyone having allergic reactions to

Pycnogenol. I started taking it about a month ago, and have developed an

acne-like rash on my forhead. I don't see anything else that could be

causing it, which is unfortunate since it's doing wonders for me

otherwise. I started out on Life Plus, which is a blend of grape-seed and

pine-bark extract. I noticed some benefits, but nothing major. When the

rash appeared and persisted, I changed to Kaire, which is just pine-bark.

The results were spectacular: vastly increased energy, mood elevation,

etc. Unfortunately, the rash has persisted, maybe even gotten a bit worse.

It could be a 'cleansing reaction', but it seems more like an allergy

thing. Anybody experience anything like this?



Thanks!

--Nick Jameson





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: urinary tract infections

From: sunny@nmsua.nmsu.edu

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 22:14:32 GMT



I know of a product called CRANACTIN that is excellent for UTI's.  It's a 

concentrate of cranberry extract, and it comes in capsule form.  The name of 

the company who produces CRANACTIN is SOLARAY.  It works, i promise!!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Book of natural remedies

From: sunny@nmsua.nmsu.edu

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 22:18:32 GMT



If any of you are interested in finding out about different ways to heal 

yourselves with natural remedies, a book that you may be interested in is the 

PRESCRIPTION FOR NUTRITIONAL HEALING.  It's a pretty big book that has a cover 

that is light blue and white, with pink and yellow trims.  You can probably 

find it at any local health food store, and if they don't have it, they may be 

able to special order it for you.  It is a wonderful book, full of remedies 

for almost anything that could ail a human.





-sunny-





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: pycnogenol

From: sunny@nmsua.nmsu.edu

Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 22:24:57 GMT



I've worked at a health food store for over a year.  Pycnogenol has been 

found to be a very powerful antioxidant.  It can be derived from pine bark 

or grape seeds.  If you need some more information, I would recommend that 

you go to a health food store and obtain some literature from them.





-sunny-





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aphrodisiac Query

From: Nick Blackburn <Nick@blckbrn.demon.co.uk>

Date: 30 May 1995 00:03:42 +0100



I am beginning a study of the aprodisiac qualities of herbs. I would

welcome any suggestions ranging from individual herbs to _recipes_.



The herbs I have found listed so far are:



     fennel   vervain   damiana   saw palmetto



Thank you in anticipation.

-- 

Nick Blackburn             Gansoft          Nick@blckbrn.demon.co.uk





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aphrodisiac Query

From: sorenson@qns2.qns.com (Alissa Sorenson)

Date: 30 May 1995 22:06:55 -0500



Nick Blackburn (Nick@blckbrn.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: I am beginning a study of the aprodisiac qualities of herbs. I would

: welcome any suggestions ranging from individual herbs to _recipes_.



: The herbs I have found listed so far are:



:      fennel   vervain   damiana   saw palmetto



: Thank you in anticipation.

: -- 

: Nick Blackburn             Gansoft          Nick@blckbrn.demon.co.uk



Hi Nick.  Don't forget Yohimbe.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Correspondence courses in UK

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: 30 May 1995 01:29:48 +0100



Several people have emailed me asking for details of correspondence

courses dealing with herbal medicine.



Unfortunately, sometimes my reply to them bounces back, as it has done

on the last occasion, so I am posting the same information to the group

so that person and others can have the details.



Post follows:



Hi XXXXXXX.......



Herewith a file that I keep for such enquiries as yours; I imagine that the

one year course may be best suited, but the others are mentioned as well.



I hope they are of interest - feel free to email if you have questions.



Cheers



Dave Powner



************************************************************************



Details of Correspondence courses here in the UK.



The School of Phytotherapy

Bucksteep Manor

Bodle Street Green

Nr. Hailsham BN27 4 RJ

Phone: (0)1323 833812

Fax  : (0)1323 833869



This college does several courses:



Four year full time residential course. This now leads to a BSc Honours 

Degree in Phytotherapy, and one is legally permitted to practice as a Medical 

Herbalist upon qualification, and to apply for membership of a professional 

body such as N.I.M.H.

Current Fees: 3,900.00 per year

------------------------



Four year correspondence course. Similar to above, with a Diploma in Herbal 

Medicine. Also permits the practising of Herbal Medicine, and to apply for

professional membership.

Current Fees: 160 sterling per quarter excluding books, seminars, exams etc.



There is also a requirement to undertake 500 hours of clinical training

at about 2.50 sterling per hour - spread over the four years. Also yearly

seminars at a cost of 140 each (excluding accommodation)



Overseas students can arrange to have their clinical training with an 

approved herbalist in their own country, but the 5 day seminars are only

held in the UK - one each year, and are obligatory.



This is the course that I'm aiming at taking; it involves 20/30 hrs per week

studying, but I reckon it's good value for money. Depends what you want out

of it!

-----------------------



One Year correspondence course: leads to a Certificate of Herbal studies, but

does not permit the practising of Herbal Medicine. It is necessary to attend

an examination/seminar at the end of the year if the certificate is required.

Current Fees: 130 sterling per quarter or 475 if paid in full in advance

The weekend seminar is 80 sterling (excluding accommodation)

-----------------------



There are other courses for GPs & Osteopaths etc., and Introductory and

Preliminary courses in Biology & Chemistry. The college has recently had

degree status granted for their four year residential course, as herbal 

medicine is regaining worldwide acceptance.



-- 

David Powner                   Internet: David@filtermx.demon.co.uk

Micronair {Pollution Control}  Phone   :(01782) 565816

1 Blackthorn Place             Fax     :(01782) 565834

Newcastle under Lyme           Data    :(01782) 562213 (24hr BBS to V32)

ST5 7BE          U.K.          Mobile  : 0831 879135





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginseng questions

From: mjrada@aol.com (MJRADA)

Date: 29 May 1995 22:46:15 -0400



I have a few questions regarding gensing... any answers to my e-mail

address

will be greatly appreciated:



1. Does ginseng have any contraceptive effects on a woman?

2. How powerful of a fertility enhancer is Ginseng for a male?

3. How long can ginseng capsules or ginseng tea be kept before it loses

it's

    potency?





Thanks, 

   Mike



M. Rada

E-Mail: MJRADA@AOL.COM





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Off topic...bear with me.  :)

From: 7seas@olympus.net (7 Seas Software)

Date: 29 May 1995 21:43:19 -0700



Disclaimer:  This is off-topic...I opologize in advance, in case 

off-topic messages bother you.  



Hey, fellow net-denizens.  I'm a student, trying to write a paper on 

people of the internet, and I'd love to have some perspectives other than 

my own.  If you'd be game to answer a few questions about your usage of 

the internet, please drop me an e-mail.  Thanks for your time...



-S. Lingafelter

 7seas@pt.olympus.net  OR  n9444157@cc.wwu.edu

 Western Washington University 

 Bellingham, WA

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"All that glitters has a high refractive index."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Primrose Oil vs. Evening Primrose Oil is

From: blakemer@aol.com (BlakeMer)

Date: 30 May 1995 01:16:39 -0400



No, The active ingredient in Evening Primrose Oil is GLA (or Gamma

Linoleic Acid) which acts as an immune modulator and also to balance

womens PMS. Primrose Oil is simply a shortened term of Evening Primrose

Oil.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Techniques to Relieve Chronic Back Pain

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 30 May 1995 05:58:08 GMT



Am surveying the Net for successful healing programs that have resolved

or substnatially relieved chronic back pain. Am very interested in

specific exercsise routines,hypnosis scripts,and what amino acids,and

vitamincs and minerals, medicines other than nisads, as well as topical

ointments have proved successful in relieving or resolving chronic back

pain.The role of magnetes and electronic stimulation as well as mental

and emotional stress is also of interest to me Please E Mail me the

details. I will include in weekly posting that I do relative to chronic

pain. Please share your successfrul techniques with others.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Role of AMino Acids in Pain Relief

From: bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller)

Date: 30 May 1995 06:02:53 GMT



Please advise of role of amino acids

tryptophan,d-l-phenylalanine,arginine and lysine in

relieving chronic muscle pain.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Essaic

From: sgibbons@bnr.ca (Steve Gibbons)

Date: 30 May 1995 12:52:15 GMT





Does anyone have any information on Essaic?



Thanks,



Steve





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs for ulcers

From: xaun@jax.jaxnet.com (xaun)

Date: 30 May 1995 15:55:40 GMT



I have a peptic ulcer and have been under a lot of stress lately and my ulcers been bothering me. Does 

anyone know of some natural herbal remedey that can help me ease my pain.



Thanxs

Xaun





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fenugreek, uses?

From: rlarsen@squeaky.free.org

Date: 30 May 1995 18:56:37 GMT



I know fenugreek is used for artificial maple flavor/aroma and also in

East Indian Curry.  



Out of curiosity, I planted some in my garden this year and its growing

like crazy.  Are there any uses for the plant itself, or are only the 

seeds used.  The plants are still seedlings, so I haven't got enough

"herb" yet to test.  Also... I'm aware that in some plants certain parts

can be poisonous.  This is also a concern...



=> Rich Larsen (rlarsen@free.org)

   "Spice is the Variety of life"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Stumper!

From: skip@netins.net

Date: 30 May 1995 20:29:51 GMT



Alright, I have one for all your brains...

My husband is 49 years old.  Two years ago he was diagnosed with "Brittle

Diabetes" (this causes him to go into comas at sugar levels much lower than

normal diabetics).  We thought we were doing ok- did the diet thing and

adjusted his steroid intake for his asthma (did I mention that he has had this

since childhood).  Everything was somewhat stable until Nov. of last year when

something went haywire.  Diagnosis...Epstein Barr.  Since then he has gone into

a dozen comas and his heart has stopped five times...pretty scary.  And so,

there went our stable lives out the door.  We have tried absolutly everything

that the so called *medical community* (please don't flame me, I feel I've

earned the right to say that with sarcasim) has to offer.  We are right here

next to the good old Un. of Iowa and Mayos.  It seems when our Drs. get

perplexed, instead of admitting it they just get out the perscription pad and

offer Zanax or Prozac--it must just be in our head, right? 

Ok back on track.  I've have spent months trying to make sense of anything to

help my husband.  I *need* help.  Several people have offered advice on herbs

(cool with us, my husband is an original flower child) but I need more info

about these herbs.  

Pycnogenol-Echinacea-Cat's Claw-Skull Cap

Is there anybody out there that knows the effects of these herbs?  What they do 

to blood sugar levels?  What they do to Epstein Barr/CFS?  Will any

combinations cancel out properties of the other?  

I don't know much about the net.  I pretty much stick to email and newsgroups

but am willing to learn.  

If there is anyone out there with *any* information I would appreciate it so

much.  Thanks in advance



Burn bright, 

Leslie Adams

(319) 646-6867

skip@netins.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stumper!

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 30 May 1995 20:46:45 -0400



>looking for information on naturopathic treatment of diabetes &

Epstein-Barr



Leslie:



Check out a book called "Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine" by Michael

Murray & J. Pizzorno.  Good chapters on naturopathic treatment of diabetes

and chronic fatigue syndrome (Murray's also done separate, smaller books

on both these topics).  Call the American Association of Naturopathic

Physicians & see if there is an naturopathic doctor practicing near you. 

Since NDs aren't licensed in your state, I'd stick to someone that is a

member of the AANP (they would qualify for licensing if licensing

existed). The number is (206) 323-7610.  You could also find an MD through

the American Holistic Medical Association, 919-787-5181.  The AHMA is a

group of medical doctors that don't agree with the AMA & broke off to form

a group more open to alternative forms of therapy.



Good luck,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stumper!

From: redswan@news.dorsai.org (Rita Black)

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 11:14:16 GMT



skip@netins.net wrote:

: Alright, I have one for all your brains...

: My husband is 49 years old.  Two years ago he was diagnosed with "Brittle

: Diabetes" (this causes him to go into comas at sugar levels much lower than

: normal diabetics).  We thought we were doing ok- did the diet thing and

: adjusted his steroid intake for his asthma (did I mention that he has had this

: since childhood).  Everything was somewhat stable until Nov. of last year when

: something went haywire.  Diagnosis...Epstein Barr.  Since then he has gone into

: Pycnogenol-Echinacea-Cat's Claw-Skull Cap

: Is there anybody out there that knows the effects of these herbs?  What they do 

: to blood sugar levels?  What they do to Epstein Barr/CFS?  Will any

: combinations cancel out properties of the other?  

: I don't know much about the net.  I pretty much stick to email and newsgroups

: but am willing to learn.  

: If there is anyone out there with *any* information I would appreciate it so

: much.  Thanks in advance



I would suggest that since your husband has several medical problems that 

you consult with a herbologist. I'm sure if you look around you will find 

one in the area. That is what we did. My husband had diabetes, high blood 

pressure and several other problems. we were lucky enough to find an MD 

-oncologist who also was a herbologist, who is very active in finding 

alternative treatments. But we are in NY so not too much help to you there.

--

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

   Rita Black                    Redswan@dorsai.org

                                 Starmaid@AOL.com

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mugwort, Ginseng, & Misc. Q's

From: jkinzer1 <jkinzer1@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>

Date: 30 May 1995 21:03:25 GMT



I have several questions for this newsgroup that I am	

hoping someone could answer.. Here they are.





	1) What is the difference between ginsengs? (ie "Wild"

	    American, Siberian, etc)



	2) How do you prepare Mugwort? Can you make a tea?

	   Also, There are several claims that it may be toxic,

	   are these true and if so, at what level?



	3) What are the uses of ceremonial herbs? (ie Oak moss, etc)

	   Are they mainly used for spells, or do they have

	   a certain function (ie medical/psychactive/etc)



	

Well, I think that is it for now, any help would b appreciated..



	Dan

	jkinzer1@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu

      





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Homemade Incense

From: alethea@cougar.multiline.com.au (Alethea Raspa)

Date: 31 May 1995 07:36:03 +0800



Hallo,



I've been experimenting recently with making my own granular incense for

burning on charcoal blocks. Wanting to improve my techniques, and increase

my understanding of "What makes a good incense", how would you describe a

good incense?



I prefer granular incense to stick or cone incense, but I would like to

know how to make stick/cone incense. Are there any decent books on the

making of incense? On the history of incense?



Thanking you all in anticipation

Regards,

        Alethea

-- 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                      alethea@cougar.multiline.com.au

                   Calling from Perth, Western Australia



                              Hallo, Sunshine!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Homemade Incense

From: sorenson@qns2.qns.com (Alissa Sorenson)

Date: 30 May 1995 22:25:27 -0500



Alethea Raspa (alethea@cougar.multiline.com.au) wrote:

: Hallo,



: I've been experimenting recently with making my own granular incense for

: burning on charcoal blocks. Wanting to improve my techniques, and increase

: my understanding of "What makes a good incense", how would you describe a

: good incense?



: I prefer granular incense to stick or cone incense, but I would like to

: know how to make stick/cone incense. Are there any decent books on the

: making of incense? On the history of incense?



: Thanking you all in anticipation

: Regards,

:         Alethea

: -- 

: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

:                       alethea@cougar.multiline.com.au

:                    Calling from Perth, Western Australia



:                               Hallo, Sunshine!



Hi Alethea.



You have the same name as my mother!  I have a great "Herb Companion" article 

on how to make incense.  It has directions for powdered as well as cone and 

stick.  I've been making powdered incense for some time, and tried to make 

cone but am having trouble getting the cones to stay lit.  This article 

suggests salt peter for that, but it isn't available in the drug stores 

here anymore.  This article also has some pretty good recipes.  I'll snail 

mail it to you if you email me your address!



I know there are a couple of books out there on incense making, but I don't 

own any so I can't recommend one.  I can, however, send you a couple of mail 

order sources for these books, I think.  I'll have to dig in my catalog pile.  



You asked what makes a good incense. To me a good incense burns evenly, and 

is light enough not to snuff out the charcoal block.  It burns with a clean 

scent, and doesn't smell "burnt".  (I've noticed that whenever I use any seed 

in my recipes, I have trouble with that acrid smell).  I'm not crazy about 

the southwestern Pinon and Cedar incenses, because they smell like a 

campfire to me.  I hate it when synthetic scents are used, because I can 

detect that sweet metallic synthetic odor, and it bothers me.  I prefer for 

incenses to be natural in color.  Does this help at all?  I didn't realize I 

was so opinionated about incense!



Cheers! - Alissa





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: SHINGLES HELP?

From: Larry Lassiter <lassiter@u.washington.edu>

Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 17:02:08 -0700





I very much appreciate all of the information I am able to gather from 

this newsgroup.  I now wonder if any of you have any advice that might 

help a friend with shingles.  He is HIV+ and this is his second bout with 

the beast.  His first lasted only a week or so and was very minor.  He is 

experiencing more pain this time and has more "spots".  He is taking 1000 

mg. of vitamin C every hour and putting vitamin E on the blisters (poking 

a hole in a gelcap and putting the oil directly on the sore).  Any other 

advice would be most appreciated.  Please feel free to post to the group 

or send e-mail directly.  Thanks in advance.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SHINGLES HELP?

From: Elizabeth_Toews@mindlink.bc.ca (Elizabeth Toews)

Date: Wed, 31 May 95 09:52:15 -0800



In article

<Pine.A32.3.91j.950530165819.80430E-100000@homer08.u.washington.edu>,

lassiter@u.washington.edu (Larry Lassiter) writes:

>

> Msg-ID:

> <Pine.A32.3.91j.950530165819.80430E-100000@homer08.u.washington.edu>

> Posted: Tue, 30 May 1995 17:02:08 -0700

>

> Org.  : University of Washington

>

>

> I very much appreciate all of the information I am able to gather from

> this newsgroup.  I now wonder if any of you have any advice that might

> help a friend with shingles.  He is HIV+ and this is his second bout with

> the beast.  His first lasted only a week or so and was very minor.  He is

> experiencing more pain this time and has more "spots".  He is taking 1000

> mg. of vitamin C every hour and putting vitamin E on the blisters (poking

> a hole in a gelcap and putting the oil directly on the sore).  Any other

> advice would be most appreciated.  Please feel free to post to the group

> or send e-mail directly.  Thanks in advance.



Hello



I a presently reading a book titled "You Don't Have To Die, Unraveling the

Aids Myth" it speaks of controlling Aids using Natural Alternative

Therapies.

Briefly, they recommend the use of a high lysine/low arginine diet, lysine

supplementation, Glycyrrhizin (licorice) can be applied to the skin

lesions, supplementation with Vitamin B12.  If you would like more info

please feel free to email.



Best Health Wishes

--



Elizabeth Toews    Back To Nature Products     Mission, B.C.

Ind. Distributor for Nature's Sunshine Products and Fine Herbs

email:  elizabeth_toews@mindlink.bc.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs/dreaming

From: diyana@btf.com (Diyana)

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:02:33 GMT



Scott Cunningham, I believe, has a book called Magical Herbs or

something like that.  he'd be a good source of info for herbs about

prosperity, etc.



As far as dreaming, mugwort is supposed to make you have more lucid

dreams and psyllium is supposed to help you remember your dreams.  Use

these herbs in an herb pillow.  Hops and chamomile are nice to add to

your pillow to help you sleep. Lavender can be calming too.





Hope this helps.





diyana





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs/dreaming

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: 31 May 1995 21:05:35 +0100



In article: <9505301902075451@btf.com>  diyana@btf.com (Diyana) writes:

> 

> Scott Cunningham, I believe, has a book called Magical Herbs or

> something like that.  he'd be a good source of info for herbs about

> prosperity, etc.





Magical Herbalism 1982.   or



Cunninghams Encyclopedia of Magical herbs 1985 or



Magical Aromatherapy  1989





Llewellyn publications, St Paul, MN I believe





> 

> As far as dreaming, mugwort is supposed to make you have more lucid

> dreams and psyllium is supposed to help you remember your dreams.  Use

> these herbs in an herb pillow.  Hops and chamomile are nice to add to

> your pillow to help you sleep. Lavender can be calming too.

> 

> 

> Hope this helps.

> 

> 

> diyana

> 

> 

-- 

Graham Sorenson                 Guide to Aromatherapy URL

http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: roibus

From: Mark Henson <sacred@cruzio.com>

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 02:28:43 GMT



I am looking for roibus. I have been told a horrible rumor that 

it is being monopolised in South Africa and is unavailable unless 

in a teabagged form.  does anyone have any information?



ms. Monti

sacred@cruzio.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: organic  herbs

From: Mark Henson <sacred@cruzio.com>

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 02:37:31 GMT



the world may have ran out of organic  lemon thyme and  

organic rosehips this year, and many other herbs simply were 

pre-sold. anyone have small certified patches out there? I want 

to encourage all organic farmers to include herbs in next years 

plans. 



ms. monti

sacred@cruzio.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: blue-green algae

From: modoski@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David Modoski)

Date: 30 May 1995 23:38:54 -0400





Has anyone heard about, experienced blue-green algae?? I'm curious

because a friend of mine is suggesting I try some (although it's a bit

expensive. I would like to hear(read) some other testimonies before I

shell out the bucks)..



Thanks,



dave





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: blue-green algae

From: dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Keith Higgs)

Date: 31 May 1995 08:18:03 -0400



 

 

--  

D. Keith Higgs, The Ohio State University, Health Sciences Lib. 

LOST: One mind, medium sized, gray.  Visions of scenic bikeways 

       prevalent.  Last seen in vicinity of Columbus, Ohio. 

       Sentimental value. Please e-mail if found. 

dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: blue-green algae

From: dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Keith Higgs)

Date: 31 May 1995 08:22:06 -0400



modoski@andromeda.rutgers.edu (David Modoski) wrote: 

> 

>Has anyone heard about, experienced blue-green algae?? I'm curious 

>because a friend of mine is suggesting I try some (although it's a bit 

>expensive. I would like to hear(read) some other testimonies before I 

>shell out the bucks).. 

> 

 

OOPS!  This time let's see if I can do this right!  

 

Dave, I have heard of people using blue-green algae also.  Do a little 

reading on what kind of environment it needs (i.e. marine (sea) water 

vs fresh water) and you can probably grow your own in sufficient   

quantities.  Set up a simple aquarium with a few fish and proper  

lighting and drop in some of your supply (if you end up purchasing).  

I would suggest isolating it in some kind of breeder trap or something 

while it gets established so the fish don't eat it all before it gets 

established. 

 

Keith 

--  

D. Keith Higgs, The Ohio State University, Health Sciences Lib. 

LOST: One mind, medium sized, gray.  Visions of scenic bikeways 

       prevalent.  Last seen in vicinity of Columbus, Ohio. 

       Sentimental value. Please e-mail if found. 

dhiggs@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Diabetic aid herb

From: "Jimmy R. Thompson" <jimmy.r.thompson@cdev.com>

Date: 31 May 1995 03:52:17 GMT



I am looking for the name of an herb that aids in the processing of 

blood glucose.  I am a Type II diabetic (NIDDM) and was listening to a

radio call in show while traveling in another part of the country.  I 

can't even tell you who was the show host.  He talked with a Type II

diabetic and gave the name of an herb that will do wha tI want, but all

I can remember of the name was bilberry or something similar.  When I

consult herb references for bilberry, it talks of night vision, etc.



I would like to try this to avoid (or at least minimize dosage)

going to the oral anti-diabetic medications.



Any help would be appreciated.  You may send e-mail if you so choose.



Jimmy Thompson

(jimmy.r.thompson@cdev.com)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: High Sierra Herbal Adventure

From: elib@oro.net (Eli Bottrell)

Date: 31 May 1995 04:03:12 GMT





                        High Sierra Herbal Adventure



   The High Sierra Herbal Adventure continues in 1995. Two sessions are

scheduled this year: Women and men, together, will experience the healing

powers of flowering plants in the June (2-4) session; and the third annual

High Sierra Women's Herbal Adventure will be presented, for women only, on

Labor Day weekend (Sept. 1-4) Both herbal adventures will be held at

beautiful Camp Menzies located above Calaveraz Big Trees State Park. Long

ago summer campsite, at 5000' elevation for Miwok women, the site is

secluded and empowered with it's own balance of beauty and healing

energies.



   The june encampment, officially the the High Sierra Herbal Adventure

for Women and Men, is dedicated to celebrating and honoring Mother earth

and her healing powers; and to self-empowerment for both women and men by

taking responsibility for one's own health. Self-healing and healing the

earth mother and enjoined in this dedication by the producers of this

event; Robyn Martin and Satya Anubhuti. The focus of this gathering will

be to balance female and male energies; both the energies within each

individual and the energies that are present when Woman and Man interact.

Communion and communication between Mother Earth and Woman and Man will be

emphasized at this herbal intenxive in the mountains.



   In addition to sharing herbal knowledge, other activities will include

Drumming, the dance of Life, Yoga, Plant Identification Walks, Flower

Essences, Singing for Power, and much more.





   For more information on this event, E-Mail elib@oro.net.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tea tree oil

From: pperepol@awinc.com (Peter Perepolkin)

Date: Tue, 30 May 95 22:13:28 PST



Does any one out there have a source for tea tree oil in bulk ?

By bulk,  I mean  one to ten  litre size  available for shipment to 

British Columbia,  Canada

Please reply e mail or fax me at  604-399-4103





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: what's this?

From: ZUBROVKA <Agdesign@cris.com>

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 04:25:45 -0400 (EDT)



I have found a plant growing wild in my yard along a fence row.  It has 

long stems with long narrow leaves and small tubular pods at the end of 

the stems.  When you mow the plant or mash the pods with your finger, the 

intense smell of licorice <sp> fill the air.  Is there a wild licorice 

plant or is this anise?

Also, at the back of my grandmothers house, she kept a herb garden.  she 

has been gone for many years now and the house sits in disrepair, but I 

found some mint in the little garden and replanted it at my house, where 

it thrives.  My grandmother always used it to flavor ice tea.  It is very 

fragrant.  Any info on this plant would be appreciated, including 

history, etc.

Regards,

Zubrovka





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what's this?

From: ntlor@primenet.com (Sebastian Rust)

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 11:47:15 -0700



In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.950531041800.18505F-100000@voyager.cris.com>,

ZUBROVKA <Agdesign@cris.com> wrote:



> I have found a plant growing wild in my yard along a fence row.  It has 

> long stems with long narrow leaves and small tubular pods at the end of 

> the stems.  When you mow the plant or mash the pods with your finger, the 

> intense smell of licorice <sp> fill the air.  Is there a wild licorice 

> plant or is this anise?

> Also, at the back of my grandmothers house, she kept a herb garden.  she 

> has been gone for many years now and the house sits in disrepair, but I 

> found some mint in the little garden and replanted it at my house, where 

> it thrives.  My grandmother always used it to flavor ice tea.  It is very 

> fragrant.  Any info on this plant would be appreciated, including 

> history, etc.

> Regards,

> Zubrovka



               With out seeing it I couldn't say what it IS but I can tell

you it ISN'T licorice, and it really doesn't sound like anise either. 

Licorice (gliycyrrhiza glabra or lepidota) is in the pea family and has

pinnate groups of oval leaflets. The fruits are small oval burred pods

(smaller but like the burs on burdock)    Anise is an umbellifera

(pimpinella anisum) most of the leaves are deeply devided and clasp the

stalk,  the seeds are small and are on an umbel (no pods).  

                Where do you live? If you live in the USA maybe the county

extension office or a master gardener could help you to identify this plan

if not maybe there is a boticanical or wild plant society  near by with

some one who might be able to identify this plant and also  name the type

of mint you have and then you might find a history on it.      Good luck,

Sharon Rust





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Trim Fast

From: Marlene Ohar <thumper@buffnet.net>

Date: 31 May 1995 09:13:59 GMT



Has anybiody used this product? Let me know how you like it!

                     MO





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Look gd, feel gd, have more energy, naturally!

From: Shari L Gewanter <sg57+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 12:44:46 -0400



Formula One, herbal supplements that will give you energy, speed met.,

burn fat.

Call for 3day supply @3.00 or 150 tabs for $37.50 (that's 25 cents a pill)

Herbal nutritional supplement.  Also has B-12, chromium p.

 leave message at 268-1498





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Look gd, feel gd, have more energy, naturally!

From: scjoseph@aol.com (SCJOSEPH)

Date: 31 May 1995 14:57:39 -0400



Don't these people ever give up?  I thought someone posted a strong

message about advertising on this newsgroup -- am I wrong?



Peace,



SCJ

Sister Carol Joseph

SCJoseph@aol.com



Emancipate yourself from mental slavery -- none but ourselves can free our

minds.  ---Bob Marley.  In Jah Love.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Glutamic Acid HCL - What's it Good For?

From: murph@bnr.ca (Kathryn)

Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 15:18:53 -0400



I was browsing through the shelves at the health food store and stumbled

onto a new bottle.  No one was around tell me what Glutamic Acid HCL was

used for.  Could someone please tell me?  I'm curious.....



Thx.



Murph@bnr.ca







