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Date:         Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:11:42 +0000

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From:         Jonathan Treasure <jtreasure@JONNO.DEMON.CO.UK>

Subject:      Re: Gingko biloba



>What are the benefits of this cerebral arteriole vasodilation? This

>doesn't sound very pleasant.



Increased delivery of nutrients ie oxygen and glucose to brain cells.

Very handy in cases of cerebro-vascular insufficiency

not unusual in the elderly

jonathan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 28 Feb 1995 16:09:56 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Advertising what herbs are good for?

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        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

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A local drug store chain, in their Sunday paper supplement, had a section

on a number of herbs (i.e. echinacia) listing the health benefits, along

with their products and prices.



Makes a lot of sense, but I thought that was a major FDA- no-no.  Have

the rules changed?



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:54:44 -0600

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From:         "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US>

Subject:      Re: Advertising what herbs are good for?

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        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

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On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Jack van Luik wrote:



> A local drug store chain, in their Sunday paper supplement, had a section

> on a number of herbs (i.e. echinacia) listing the health benefits, along

> with their products and prices.

>

> Makes a lot of sense, but I thought that was a major FDA- no-no.  Have

> the rules changed?

>

> Jack vL



Yes.  A new law was just signed, "the Dietary Supplemant Health and

Education Act"



Stephen Marsden, Springfield, MO   smarsden@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Mar 1995 08:32:32 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Advertising what herbs are good for?

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        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

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On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Stephen J. Marsden wrote:



> On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Jack van Luik wrote:

> > A local drug store chain, in their Sunday paper supplement, had a section

> > on a number of herbs (i.e. echinacia) listing the health benefits, along

> > with their products and prices.

> >

> > Makes a lot of sense, but I thought that was a major FDA- no-no.  Have

> > the rules changed?



> Yes.  A new law was just signed, "the Dietary Supplemant Health and

> Education Act"



Thanks.

Must have been asleep at the keyboard - what is the gist of this one?  I

knew that Hatch(Utah) was stalling implementation of some of the FDA

heavyhanded rulings, but was not aware of something pro-active.



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:30:26 -0500

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From:         Liddy Westmoreland <LiddyW@AOL.COM>

Subject:      herbal teas

Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@vm.gmd.de



Can anyone tell me of an herb that can be made into a tea that will help

someone breath?  My mother is going through chemotherapy and the medicine

they have her on makes breathing for her more difficult.  She is short of

wind, she wheezes, her nose runs all the time and her eyes water.  Allergy

symptoms I know, but she also takes prescription antihistamines for that.

Thanks for your help.



Liddy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         IVELISSE Fundora <ivelisse@ALPHA.ACAST.NOVA.EDU>

Subject:      flea control

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Does anyone know of any herbs that help combat fleas.  I found a flea in

my dog the other day and would like to cure this anoying problem the natural

way.  I read a long time back that there are herbs you can use for this,

but when I went on my search trying to find out were I had read this I

could not find anything.  People have also told me that giving my dog garlic

will help, but is there anything else?





------------------------------

ivelisse@alpha.acast.nova.edu-

------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:18:55 PST

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From:         Valerie Sadovsky <vsadovsk@DEV3.CTC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: flea control

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        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9503011236.A13039-0100000@alpha>; from "IVELISSE

            Fundora" at Mar 1, 95 1:00 pm



>

> Does anyone know of any herbs that help combat fleas.  I found a flea in

> my dog the other day and would like to cure this anoying problem the natural

> way.  I read a long time back that there are herbs you can use for this,

> but when I went on my search trying to find out were I had read this I

> could not find anything.  People have also told me that giving my dog garlic

> will help, but is there anything else?

>

>

> ------------------------------

> ivelisse@alpha.acast.nova.edu-

> ------------------------------



The best flea control is to comb your dog with a flea comb every day.  Also,

I was giving my dog brewers yeast.  Brewers yest - flea comb combination

eliminated our flea problem.  If you decide to go with brewers yeast, make

sure your dog is not allergic to it.  Fleas don't like Pennyroyal smell.

I made a tincture from it and when we go out, I sprinkle my dog with a very

dilluted one.



Valerie

--



=======================================================================

Valerie Sadovsky                        E-Mail:  vsadovsk@dev3.ctc.edu

=======================================================================



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:09:12 -0700

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From:         Dennis Clark <ATWDC@ASUACAD.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: flea control

In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:00:27 -0500 from

            <ivelisse@ALPHA.ACAST.NOVA.EDU>



There is historical/scientific evidence that walnut leaves will

repel fleas.



Dennis Clark



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From:         "FRED W. BACH , TRIUMF Operations" <music@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA>

Subject:      Re: flea control

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



>Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9503011236.A13039-0100000@alpha>

>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:00:27 -0500

>From: IVELISSE Fundora <ivelisse@ALPHA.ACAST.NOVA.EDU>

>Subject: flea control

>To: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

>

>Does anyone know of any herbs that help combat fleas.  I found a flea in

>my dog the other day and would like to cure this anoying problem the natural

>way.  I read a long time back that there are herbs you can use for this,

>but when I went on my search trying to find out were I had read this I

>could not find anything.  People have also told me that giving my dog garlic

>will help, but is there anything else?

>

>

>------------------------------

>ivelisse@alpha.acast.nova.edu-





 You have to control fleas on your pet, and ALSO where he sleeps and

 lies around.



 I'll let someone else comment on the pet-food supplements, but as

 far as carpets and furniture go, the fleas like to live around the

 edges of the room and within 3 cm or so underneath the edges of the

 furniture.  Then cannot live in well travelled areas, but the

 hatchlings need to live close to where the adult fleas make their

 droppings after they have their blood meals (on the dog or cat or

 people).



 So, vacuum well (daily) the furniture and all around it.  Get the

 edges of the carpet.  And sprinkle a little baking soda in those

 areas I described above.



 Also, apparently fleas don't like pennyroyal, but I'm not sure of

 the application.



Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca

TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    | Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 6327/7333

4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            | FAX:    604-222-1074

University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

Damien says " If you don't STAND for SOMETHING, you'll FALL for ANYTHING "

These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.

They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:04:07 -0800

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From:         Mitch Stargrove <mitch@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Lloyd Library & Museum

Comments: To: PARACELSUS@teleport.com,

        Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>, robbee@crl.com



forawrded from CADUCEUS list:





Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:56:00 -0500 (EST)

From: Michael Flannery <Michael.Flannery@UC.Edu>

Subject: Lloyd Library & Museum



Hello to all:



As a new subscriber to CADUCEUS I thought I'd take this opportunity to

introduce you to the Lloyd Library & Museum, 917 Plum Street,

Cincinnati, OH  45202.



We have been at this location for over one hundred years.  Our 200,000

volume collection is primarily devoted to pharmacy and botany and grew

out of the research interests and needs of Lloyd Bros.

Pharmaceutical, an eclectic firm devoted to botanical preparations.



Because of the connection of John Uri Lloyd (1849-1936) with the

eclectic sectarians, the library has become the sole repository of all

the Eclectic Institute records as part of our extensive archives of

Lloyd family papers and other primary resource material.



This plus rare books dating from the 15th century have made the Lloyd

Library a valuable resource for the historical researcher in pharmacy

and medicine (as Dr. John Haller will gladly attest).



I will be at the A.Ph.A. meeting in Orlando and the ALHHS meeting in

Pittsburgh.  I look forward to seeing many of you at that time!



Sincerely,

        Michael Flannery, Library Director





Blessings and Good Health,

Mitch

(a.k.a. Mitchell Bebel Stargrove, N.D., L.Ac.)

                "The art of medicine consists of amusing the patient

                            while nature cures the disease."    - Voltaire



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Sylvia Coones <SCOONES@FLEMINGC.ON.CA>

Organization: Sir Sandford Fleming College

Subject:      Re: herbal teas

Comments: To: Liddy Westmoreland <LiddyW@AOL.COM>, HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



I have found that if you brew mullein in a tea it helps the breathing

process.  It has worked for me when my allergies are active or if I

have a bad cold.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:37:06 -0700

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From:         Phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: flea control

Comments: To: IVELISSE Fundora <ivelisse@ALPHA.ACAST.NOVA.EDU>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9503011236.A13039-0100000@alpha>



An herbalist I know grows lemongrass- this kills fleas. He said when he

shampoos his dog, he grabs a handful of the lemongrass and puts it in the

tub of water that he uses to wash his dog. I'm going to try it this summer!

Also, diatomaceous earth kills fleas (and other insects) and is not

toxic. You can find it at a swimming pool supply store (it's used to

filter the water) or perhaps at a nursery.

*****************************

Like a broken gong, be silent

know the freedom of stillness....

*********************************



On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, IVELISSE Fundora wrote:



> Does anyone know of any herbs that help combat fleas.  I found a flea in

> my dog the other day and would like to cure this anoying problem the natural

> way.  I read a long time back that there are herbs you can use for this,

> but when I went on my search trying to find out were I had read this I

> could not find anything.  People have also told me that giving my dog garlic

> will help, but is there anything else?

>

>

> ------------------------------

> ivelisse@alpha.acast.nova.edu-

> ------------------------------

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Mar 1995 08:44:42 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: flea control

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE



Make a bed for you pet filled with cedar. Fleas hate it.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:16:00 -0800

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From:         Beth Cuculich <Beth.Cuculich@NCAL.KAIPERM.ORG>

Subject:      Re: flea control

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de

In-Reply-To:  The letter of Thursday, 2 March 1995 9:52am PT



PLEASE be very, verycareful with diatomaceous earth on your pets.  A friend of

mine just had very expensive vet bills for her cat from using it.  She put it

directly on her cat to get rid of the fleas.  It worked but the d. earth is

very sharp and the cat ingested quite a bit cleaning itself and had massive

internal bleeding.  I don't know if this would be as much of a problem with

the dog but it's definitely a problem with fastidious cats.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:32:34 EST

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From:         Judy Desiro <JDESIRO@ONONDAGA.BITNET>

Subject:      flea control

In-Reply-To:  note of 03/02/95 00:42



From:

Pennyroyal, a kind of mint I believe, is useful for fleas. I use it

with both my cats who spend warm days on the grass (with leashes) and

we haven't seen a flea in years. I purchased this in oil form from a

natural pet food dealer.

Judy D. in Central NY



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Mar 1995 22:05:40 -0700

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From:         "G. Michael Horton" <whteagle@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: flea control

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        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

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The diatomaceous earth used for swimming pool filters is not processed

the same as the type one needs to use to kill insects.  Combine pyrethrum

with diatomaceous earth for a very effective flea killer as well as

organic insecticide.



On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Phxhawk wrote:



> An herbalist I know grows lemongrass- this kills fleas. He said when he

> shampoos his dog, he grabs a handful of the lemongrass and puts it in the

> tub of water that he uses to wash his dog. I'm going to try it this summer!

> Also, diatomaceous earth kills fleas (and other insects) and is not

> toxic. You can find it at a swimming pool supply store (it's used to

> filter the water) or perhaps at a nursery.

> *****************************

> Like a broken gong, be silent

> know the freedom of stillness....

> *********************************

>

> On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, IVELISSE Fundora wrote:

>

> > Does anyone know of any herbs that help combat fleas.  I found a flea in

> > my dog the other day and would like to cure this anoying problem the natural

> > way.  I read a long time back that there are herbs you can use for this,

> > but when I went on my search trying to find out were I had read this I

> > could not find anything.  People have also told me that giving my dog garlic

> > will help, but is there anything else?

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ivelisse@alpha.acast.nova.edu-

> > ------------------------------

> >

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:34:39 -0600

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From:         "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US>

Subject:      Re: flea control

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

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It also helps to spray your lawn and garden with beneficial nematodes to

kill the fleas outdoors.

Stephen Marsden, Springfield, MO   smarsden@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us



On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Phxhawk wrote:



> An herbalist I know grows lemongrass- this kills fleas. He said when he

> shampoos his dog, he grabs a handful of the lemongrass and puts it in the

> tub of water that he uses to wash his dog. I'm going to try it this summer!

> Also, diatomaceous earth kills fleas (and other insects) and is not

> toxic. You can find it at a swimming pool supply store (it's used to

> filter the water) or perhaps at a nursery.

> *****************************

> Like a broken gong, be silent

> know the freedom of stillness....

> *********************************

>

> On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, IVELISSE Fundora wrote:

>

> > Does anyone know of any herbs that help combat fleas.  I found a flea in

> > my dog the other day and would like to cure this anoying problem the natural

> > way.  I read a long time back that there are herbs you can use for this,

> > but when I went on my search trying to find out were I had read this I

> > could not find anything.  People have also told me that giving my dog garlic

> > will help, but is there anything else?

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------

> > ivelisse@alpha.acast.nova.edu-

> > ------------------------------

> >

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:37:11 -0700

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From:         Phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: flea control

Comments: To: Beth Cuculich <Beth.Cuculich@NCAL.KAIPERM.ORG>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%95030220304604@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



Beth, THANK YOU THANK YOU for telling us that!!! I was going to use

diatomaceous earth on our cats this summer. You probably just saved 4

wonderful kiddos.

*****************************

Like a broken gong, be silent

know the freedom of stillness....

*********************************



On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, Beth Cuculich wrote:



> PLEASE be very, verycareful with diatomaceous earth on your pets.  A friend of

>  mine just had very expensive vet bills for her cat from using it.  She put it

> directly on her cat to get rid of the fleas.  It worked but the d. earth is

> very sharp and the cat ingested quite a bit cleaning itself and had massive

> internal bleeding.  I don't know if this would be as much of a problem with

> the dog but it's definitely a problem with fastidious cats.

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 4 Mar 1995 08:26:49 -0500

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From:         Nathan  Berger <Nansue@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Vitamin starter kit

Comments: To: paracelsus@teleport.com



Would appreciate the group's advice on the following:



When a patient asks "What vitamin do you recommend?", I'm at a loss. I don't

want to suggest everything they *should* be taking, i.e., CoQ, essential

oils, various minerals, enzymes, etc. because the resulting pile of pills is

overwhelming to most people.



What do you guys suggest for a "starter kit", something that will be

maximally appropriate combined with maximum patient acceptance?



Thanks for the help!   Nate Berger

Dr. S. N. Berger as NANSUE@aol.com



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From:         Nancy Goren <nancy@TUX.MUSIC.ASU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: flea control



The absolute best flea control I know is not herbal.  We had a dog with

fleas in the 80's.  Our vet sold us an anti-chitinase spray.  Chitinase is

an enzyme insects produce to digest their old endocuticle so that they can

moult.  If they can not moult they can not mature, so they die in an

immature stage, before they can reproduce again.  Since this stops the

reproductive process, no more fleas!  It is non-toxic to animals, because

animals do not moult.  Fleas can not become resistant to this because they

do not live to pass on any resistance to future generations.  It is not

even necessary to spray the animal, just the area they live in, like rugs,

baseboards, and bedding.



I haven't shopped for flea control products for some years, but if you

can't find something with an anti-chitinase ingredient, ask your vet.



Nancy Goren



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Date:         Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:07:35 -0700

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From:         Phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Silver Colotial & Pygenerol



Can anyone tell me something about the above? What are they for and are

there any deleterious side effects? Thanks





*****************************

Like a broken gong, be silent

know the freedom of stillness....

*********************************



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From:         "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US>

Subject:      Re: Advertising what herbs are good for?

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        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

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On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Jack van Luik wrote:



> On Wed, 1 Mar 1995, Stephen J. Marsden wrote:

>

> > On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Jack van Luik wrote:

> > > A local drug store chain, in their Sunday paper supplement, had a section

> > > on a number of herbs (i.e. echinacia) listing the health benefits, along

> > > with their products and prices.

> > >

> > > Makes a lot of sense, but I thought that was a major FDA- no-no.  Have

> > > the rules changed?

>

> > Yes.  A new law was just signed, "the Dietary Supplemant Health and

> > Education Act"

> > Stephen Marsden, Springfield, MO

>

> Thanks.

> Must have been asleep at the keyboard - what is the gist of this one?  I

> knew that Hatch(Utah) was stalling implementation of some of the FDA

> heavyhanded rulings, but was not aware of something pro-active.

>

> Jack vL

>

I don't have a copy of the new law, however I believe it says that labels

can in include standard info on the products.  Any new info or claims

must be presented to a new review board that will not be ready for

another two years.



Stephen Marsden, Springfield, MO   smarsden@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 4 Mar 1995 06:51:27 -0700

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From:         Phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: flea control

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9503022247.B14075-0100000@bud.indirect.com>



thanks for setting me straight on the diatomaceous earth/pool filter.!

someone else on this list also warned me about putting diatomaceous earth on

cats to kill fleas. All I can say is: thank God for Internet!



*****************************

Like a broken gong, be silent

know the freedom of stillness....

*********************************



On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, G. Michael Horton wrote:



> The diatomaceous earth used for swimming pool filters is not processed

> the same as the type one needs to use to kill insects.  Combine pyrethrum

> with diatomaceous earth for a very effective flea killer as well as

> organic insecticide.

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:03:55 -0600

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From:         "Mary F. Magada-Ward" <mmagada@FRANK.MTSU.EDU>

Subject:      WWW sites for Herbs?



Dear members,

 I set my WebCrawler searching for herb sites on the net and came up

with very little.  Am I missing something?  Has anyone compiled a list of

which I am unaware?  Please post or email anything you are aware of and

if it hasn't already been done, I'll put it together and start an

herbalist Web page.

 Also, a friend of mine told me new research has shown Fo-ti to be

damaging to the heart.  He was quoting from the local Chicago news but he

didn't have many details.  Is he right?  Has there been such an announcement?



Thanks,

Steve Ward



*********************************

* You can't spit tobacco at the *

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:21:53 EST

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From:         Adrienne Foose <FOOSEADR@TSCVM.TRENTON.EDU>

Subject:      NO MAIL

Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@pucc.princeton.edu



NO MAIL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 5 Mar 1995 20:20:50 EDT

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From:         Jeffrey Young <Jeffrey_Young.LOTUS@CRD.LOTUS.COM>

Subject:      mushroom?

Comments: To: "HERB%TREARN.BITNET" <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>



I caught few minutes of a morning TV show earlier this week in which they

discussed a recently "discovered" mushroom that can be propagated in a bowl of

room temp water.  It had all sorts of "snake oil" style claims and

capabilities.  Everything from rejuvenated metabolism to hair growth.  I was

unsure but from the few moments I caught of this segment I seem to recall that

it was being distributed by a mushroom company in California.



I was interested in learning more about this plant, its origins, claimed

capabilities, history, and any scientific testing that may have been conducted

so far.



If you should know where I could find some of these facts, or better yet know

of the specific plant or company that is distributing it, please write me at

the address below.



Thanks,   jeff

  Jeffrey_Young.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:25:30 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Advertising what herbs are good for?

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        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

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On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, Stephen J. Marsden wrote:

> I don't have a copy of the new law, however I believe it says that labels

> can in include standard info on the products.  Any new info or claims

> must be presented to a new review board that will not be ready for

> another two years.

>

> Stephen Marsden, Springfield, MO   smarsden@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us

>



Stephen - what is the definition of "standard info" in the case of herbal

products?  Who gets to set the standard for current data (we'll wait and

see who determines how to evaluate new data).



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:32:03 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: flea control

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9503040630.A16872-0100000@bud.indirect.com>



> On Thu, 2 Mar 1995, G. Michael Horton wrote:

>

> > The diatomaceous earth used for swimming pool filters is not processed

> > the same as the type one needs to use to kill insects.



This is generating a lot of "thank goodness for that bit of info"

replies, which are possibly not warranted.  I am not aware of any

different processing - the stuff is mined (dug), sifted, and bagged.

I've bought it for a slug-killer (rain washes it away - so doesn't help

enough).  The info that came with it indicated that it was used on cattle

to kill fleas, on carpets, and that it even was a food supplement to

clean out the insides of cattle.  Had pictures of the seller ladling it

into his innards to prove safety (of course, there were these smart

chemist years ago doing the same with DDT).



I'm not aware of potential harm.  I'm sure I've ingested it as part of my

lettuce crop.  At the same time - don't take my word for it.  If I can

find where I bought the stuff, I may eventually have a follow-up note to

this.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:02:47 -0500

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Silver Colotial & Pygenerol

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9503041550.B19279-0100000@bud.indirect.com> from

            "Phxhawk" at Mar 4, 95 03:07:35 pm



> Can anyone tell me something about the above? What are they for and are

> there any deleterious side effects? Thanks

>

I've been taking Pycnogenol for several months because I'm convinced it's

an important anti-oxident. Didn't help much with my flu though. From the

lit. I've read on silver it doesn't cause heavy metal toxicity like

mercury or lead and is antibacterial.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:21:02 -0500

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      eating diatomaceous earth

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9503021712.A9449-0100000@bud.indirect.com> from

            "Phxhawk" at Mar 2, 95 05:37:11 pm



The topic of diatomaceous earth has come up for controlling fleas on

pets. What about it's effects on a human ingesting it? I'd heard it's

useful for intestinal parasites.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Mar 1995 08:38:34 +0500

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From:         Barbara Wright <wrightbl@FHS.CSU.MCMASTER.CA>

Subject:      Macula degeneration in the eyes



Hello all,



      A friend of mine has been diagnosed with macula degeneration

in the eyes.  She also has a tear in one retina.

      If anyone has any suggestions for treating this with herbs

or other holistic methods, would you please e-mail me at:



      wrightbl@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA



Thank you.

Barb Wright



(This is being posted on "HOLISTIC" as well - sorry for any inconvenience.)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Mar 1995 13:41:54 -0500

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From:         Carole Doerr <CaroleHerb@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: WWW sites for Herbs?

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



This seems to be all there is as far as any real info on herbs online.  Would

love to see and be a part of more, but...

Please keep me posted and let me know if I can be of any help, ok?  Thanks

 Peacefully, CaroleHerb



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Mar 1995 09:44:38 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: eating diatomaceous earth

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE



I have used diotomaceous earth for storing wheat. I sprinkle some in it

and seal the container. Using this method I have never had insects *in

my stored wheat. I have subsequently ground and used the wheat in bread

and other foodstuffs and never had any problems. I don't know about

parasites although it may be hard on them. It doesn't take much to

protect my wheat and it doesn't seem to hurt.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:52:52 -0500

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From:         Donna Kenton <donna@KENTON.III.NET>

Subject:      Re: WWW sites for Herbs?

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>



>This seems to be all there is as far as any real info on herbs online.  Would

>love to see and be a part of more, but...

>Please keep me posted and let me know if I can be of any help, ok?  Thanks

>   Peacefully, CaroleHerb

>

If you're looking for herbal medicinal information, try this url address:

      http://sunsite.unc.edu



I found scads of stuff through this site, such as an medieval herbal stored

at the the Vatican and written in Greek.  There's also an herbal ftp site

somewhere in England, but it's address escapes me just now.



Also, it's not gardening related, but there is a newsgroup called

alt.folklore.herbs -- you could try there.





--  Donna



******************************************************************************

donna@kenton.iii.net      "Nature and books belong to the eyes that see them."

Donna Kenton Needlework                                             -- Emerson

26 Progress Street

Hopedale, MA   01747

508-478-6571



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:31:06 -0700

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From:         Phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: WWW sites for Herbs?

Comments: To: "Mary F. Magada-Ward" <mmagada@FRANK.MTSU.EDU>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.HPP.3.91.950305205354.5454A-100000@frank.mtsu.edu>



There is a plethora of herbal info at ftp sunsite.unc.edu





*****************************

Like a broken gong, be silent

know the freedom of stillness....

*********************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Mar 1995 01:54:56 +0100

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From:         "Mikael G. Niklasson" <micke@DF.LTH.SE>

Subject:      Pfaffia paniculata, anyone?



Dear members.



I recently got hold of a large quantity of the above named herb. On

the bottle it is called "Brasilian ginseng" and was made by (I think)

a company named VITATAB. Could somebody on the list help me out, with

what the lowdown on this herb is. Anybody used it, what effects etc ...



May you all never thirst/micke



--

Mikael G. Niklasson                  EMAIL   : micke@df.lth.se

URL: http://www.df.lth.se/~micke

    * Information needs to be free, free it by any means possible *

---

Anyone who hates Dogs and Kids Can't be All Bad.

              -- W. C. Fields



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:55:23 -0500

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From:         Lee Blackburn <NoelCB@AOL.COM>

Subject:      2 Info Requests

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Any help list members can provide regarding the following will be most

appreciated.



1. What herbs or natural products help people quit smoking?  Possibly by

effecting acetocholine levels.



2. Are there natural sources of Taurine?



Thanks in advance

Lee

NoelCB@AOL.COM



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:21:22 -0500

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From:         Liddy Westmoreland <LiddyW@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Macula degeneration in th...

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



If your friend has a tear in the retina then she really does need

professional assistance.  Those can only be treated surgically.  She had

better do it soon, before there is so much damage that she looses her eye sigh

t permanently.  And there is also no cure for macular degeneration, although

there is alot of research being done to help find a cure.  I wish your friend

the best, and God bless



Liddy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:30:52 -0400

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From:         Paul Stewart <stewart@BUD.PEINET.PE.CA>

Subject:      Re: flea control

Comments: To: Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.3.91.950305192610.10872B-100000@pacifier.com>



Hi folks:

      Anyone who works in a chemistry lab will know where I'm coming

from on this one...all others can check it out at their local university.

      There is nothing harmless about diatomaceous earth, and there are

lots of other examples of other dangerous substances being marketed by

pretend ingestion, as in the apocryphal tale of the sergeant in Viet Nam

who convinced his unprotected troops of the harmlessness of Agent Orange

by drinking it! Most chem labs filter sludgy mixtures with a form of

diatomaceous earth called Celite (TM). The Materials Safety Data Sheet

accompanying it clearly calls for a dust mask, gloves, and fume hood for

measuring and other handling. I have been personally chided for filtering

with Celite outside a fume hood. The stuff is insidious in that it is too

heavy for the mucociliary elevator to completely clear out of the lungs,

where it can slowly degrade alveoli and cause all kinds of respiratory

problems, including silicosis. Check it out, and keep it off your

animals. Don't believe me, ask a Vet.

      Hope I don't sound too preachy, but this is not a mysterious

issue.  Bye for now, and remember the first two laws of chemistry labs:

-don't lick the spoon

-hot glass looks just like cold glass

.............Paul from the Great White Northeast :-)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:59:56 -0800

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Subject:      PRESS RELEASE: NATURAL MEDICINE ON THE INTERNET

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de, OrMed@bkhouse.cts.com,

        hmatrix-l@kumchttp.mc.ukans.edu



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Mar 1995 20:10:44 PST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         John LoConte <JLoconte@PACTIDE.NOAA.GOV>



   Please send me info on your list.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 8 Mar 1995 16:21:10 -0600

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From:         "Mary F. Magada-Ward" <mmagada@FRANK.MTSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: WWW sites for Herbs?

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9503061505.A2681-0100000@bud.indirect.com>



Thanks to Carole, Donna, and PhxHawk for responding to my query about WWW

sites.  In addition to the one mentioned below, I located another one at

http://www.c2.org/~robbee/herbal.html.  I'll keep looking around and see

what else I find.  If you know of any additional points of interest

please e-mail.  If I gather enough, I'll set up a page of pointers.



Steve Ward



On Mon, 6 Mar 1995, Phxhawk wrote:



> There is a plethora of herbal info at ftp sunsite.unc.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:52:03 GMT

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From:         Radek Novotny <novotny@VSLD.TUZVO.SK>

Subject:      Firm dealing with Neem tree products



Hello,

      many times I have read here about Neem tree resp. Azadirachta

indiga. Also there were writen a lot of papers about insecticidinal effects

of it's extract. But in Middle East Europe ( Czech republic) there  is not any

firm dealing with the products from the leaf, bark or wood of Neem tree.

      There is any firm dealing with these products in U.S that I could

come in contact with?

                              Thank you very much



                              Radek  K. Novotny



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Ed Space <EDAINE@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>

Subject:      Chaparal



I would be interested in some info on chaparal.  The FDA has been trying appare

ntly to get it pulled from the shelves.  My books tell me no warnings or cautio

ns.  I have some now, and am curious about how much to take.  If there are any

cautions consrning dose, I would like to know.  Thank you much.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:37:42 CST

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From:         "E. Sezonov" <z999046@MDACC.MDA.UTH.TMC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: flea control

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Hi Judy,

How much pennyroyal oil do you put on your cat, and where?

There's been much discussion on pennyroyal being poisonous...

drinking it, and even rubbing it on the (human) skin.

I tried once to put in on my cat, she was comfortably lying

on my lap but as soon as I opened the bottle of pennyroyal

she jump up and split - really hates the smell I gathered,

so I did not put it on her.



Thanks,

Erica





>Pennyroyal, a kind of mint I believe, is useful for fleas. I use it

>with both my cats who spend warm days on the grass (with leashes) and

>we haven't seen a flea in years. I purchased this in oil form from a

>natural pet food dealer.

>Judy D. in Central NY



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:42:52 PST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Valerie Sadovsky <vsadovsk@DEV3.CTC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Chaparal

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <950309.103933.EST.EDAINE@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>; from "Ed Space" at Mar

            9, 95 10:37 am



>

> I would be interested in some info on chaparal.  The FDA has been trying appare

> ntly to get it pulled from the shelves.  My books tell me no warnings or cautio

> ns.  I have some now, and am curious about how much to take.  If there are any

> cautions consrning dose, I would like to know.  Thank you much.

>



Chaparral!!! My favorite.  I can't imagine how I lived without it before.

I found out about chaparral from Lalitha Thomas's

book "Ten Essential Herbs".  She devoted the whole chapter to chaparral.

In her opinion it's one of the most valuable herbs on the Earth.  According

to her experience you can use it for almost every condition, but, especially,

for blood cleansing purposes (she says her 21-day cleansing program made

miracles).  It's, also, a great antibiotic, so you can use it for fighting

various types of infections.  To tell the truth, I can't remember all the

details now, but I was quite impressed.  The book itself is fun to read.



I made chaparral tincture from dried leaves.  My whole family was able

to survive flu season without any problems (I take 15 drops of tincture

in a Tbl sp of water every 2 hours when I feel I'm going down with flu).

Also, I used the tincture on a very suspicious flesh-colored mole (or

whatever it was) which appeared on my face

about 4 years ago and was slowly getting bigger.  Now it's gone!  It took

about 1 month of twice a day tincture applications.  I've tried different

things on it before but neither worked.



Valerie

--



=======================================================================

Valerie Sadovsky                        E-Mail:  vsadovsk@dev3.ctc.edu

=======================================================================



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:15:57 -0500

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From:         john hachey <HACHEY@ABRSLE.AGR.CA>

Subject:      evening primrose oil and skin



hello,

I am currently suffering through a bout of excema and was wondering if

anybody had any info/experience on herbal treatments for this

condition and specifically, whether evening primrose oil helps(I seem to

remember the two terms being mentioned together,but don't know where)



Thanks

john



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:06:21 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

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From:         ARENZA THIGPEN - ' ' - AKA 'ICE PHANTOM' <ATHIGPEN@TUSK.BITNET>

Organization: Tuskegee University

Subject:      Re: Unsubscribe



Hello Everyone!  I'm sorry that a few of you are having problems using this

list.



I represent the thousands that take a "Indiana Jones" perspective in discover-

ing and administering herbs (and spices) to everyday situations.  I would like

to help you "leave" the list if you want.  It's just that the SYSOPs

have put so much effort into the list, and without investigating, some of you

are taking the "mutiny" approach.  Well, I'm really sorry that you want to

leave the list, but you'll regret it.



Here's the command:

MAIL (or whatever prompt you have) > send

to: listserv@trearn.bitnet (or in%"listserv@trearn.bitnet)

subj: (leave this blank)

--------------------- Message Text -------------------------------

unsubs HERB



------------------------------------------------------------------

That's it.  Now leave my SYSOPs alone!



And for those leaving, I'm gonna miss you (really).  I like the spreading

of information, even though sometimes it may appear irrelevant in your

daily lifestyle.  Good luck and happy computering.



Arenza Thigpen

Amateur Astronomer, Meteorologist and Astrophysicist

Computer Science Student

Tuskegee University

athigpen@acd.tusk.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 9 Mar 1995 21:11:21 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      measures

Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@vm.gmd.de



I have been reading some older herbals that call for doses in

"wineglassful". Soes anyone know how much this is? It would be helpful

to be able to translate this to cups or ounces or milliliters.

thanks.

ANita



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 07:37:33 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Donna Kenton <donna@KENTON.III.NET>

Subject:      Re: measures

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>



>I have been reading some older herbals that call for doses in

>"wineglassful". Soes anyone know how much this is? It would be helpful

>to be able to translate this to cups or ounces or milliliters.

>thanks.

>ANita

>



Unfortunately, there's no way to translate this.  And I mean *no way*!



I've been studying medieval herbals for a few years.  There are too many

variables for anyone to simply say -- a wineglass equals xx ounces.



* Quality of herbs used:  This is still a problem today.  Your tincture

might be stronger than mine because of the quality of the plant we used.



* Method of preparation:  Many modern techniques are derived straight from

medieval methods, but there are still variables -- heat, or not;  duration

of steeping;  solvent used (wine as opposed to 100 proof vodka);  etc.  One

method requires digging a hole in the ground and using hot dung to heat the

mixture.



* Size of glass:  I'm not kidding here.  Standard measurements of "one cup

equals 8 ounces" is a very modern idea.  I think it was in the late 1800's

or early 1900's before there were standardized cooking measurements.  Until

then, you just learned at the knee of a more experienced cook (or herbalist).



This is a particular interest of mine.  I have several medieval herbals, and

if anyone is interested in conversing further on the subject, we can

continue this privately, if public conversation would be infringing on the

group.





--  Donna



******************************************************************************

donna@kenton.iii.net          "There are ten commandments, but none of them

Donna Kenton Needlework         have a thing to do with wool and spinning."

26 Progress Street                                      --  Paula Simmons

Hopedale, MA   01747

508-478-6571



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 07:47:42 -0800

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Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         jstclare at CARET1 <jstclare@CCLINK.FHCRC.ORG>

Subject:      Re: evening primrose oil and skin

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>, HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



        Hi John!



        I have never tried EPO for eczema, but here is a formula I

        find works wonders:



        4 parts soybean (or similar) oil

        1 part cocoa butter (the pure stuff)

        1 part strong comfrey root tea

        1 part aloe vera gel (the '99% pure' bottled kind works

        fine)



        Melt the cocoa butter and combine the ingredients.

        Unrefriderated it will keep about 3 days, in the fridge

        about a week.  It will separate, and it is gooey, but it

        works well.  I use it in the evening before bed, and cover

        the area with a towel (or cotton glove, or socks, or

        whatever is appropriate for the area) until the mixture is

        absorbed into the skin.



        Good luck!  -  Janeira (jstclare@cclink.fhcrc.org)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:59:57 -0600

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Michael A Wall <wallmic@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Unsubscribe

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <m0rmmOc-0003nKC@awinc.com>



Howdy folks,



Alright everyone, let's all take a deep breath and count to ten.  I was

reading a post a few weeks ago about people who get onto mailing lists

with the only pupose being to shut down the mailing list.  They try to

accomplish this by starting pointless arguments and trying to convert the

list into a flame war.  Then, people who would like to use the net for

it's intended purpose begin to unsubscribe.  Come on folks, we're way to

smart to let that happen to this list.  If someone asks a "dumb"

question, then flame them at thier address (if you must flame at all).

Now let's get back to talking about herbs.  I don't know about you folks,

but here in the southeast it is almost time to start planting gardens of

catnip, basil, chamomile, garlic chives, and all the other cool stuff I

hear about on the list.



Later,

Michael Wall



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:27:00 EST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "MRGATE::\"A1::JEROLLINGS\"" <JEROLLINGS@JAKE.WPI.EDU>

Subject:      Re: evening primrose oil and skin

Comments: To: HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>



From:   NAME: James E. Rollings

      FUNC: Chemical Engineering

      TEL: (508) 831-5664                   <JEROLLINGS AT A1 AT JAKE>

To:     WINS%"<HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>"@JAKE@MRGATE@JAKE







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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:25:28 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: measures

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <199503101233.HAA11680@nic.iii.net>



On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, Donna Kenton wrote:

> This is a particular interest of mine.  I have several medieval herbals, and

> if anyone is interested in conversing further on the subject, we can

> continue this privately, if public conversation would be infringing on the

> group.



Donna, don't you dare take this private <g>



I think there are enough of us that find it interesting - and the others

can just flush these messages.



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:43:03 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         St <cochrans@APPLE.COM>

Subject:      Better Sex Through Chemistry

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu



Read some enthusiastic testimonials excerpted from a book entitled "Better Sex

Through Chemistry" and am inclined to wonder about the truth thereof.  Has

anyone here had any experience with any of the following in regards to sexual

desire/performance:



L-Dopa, arginine,  niacin (taken right before sex), Piracetam, GHB

(gamma-hydroxybutyrate), yohimbe, deprenyl

What are these substances and are there any warnings related to any of them?



Any information is appreciated.



St



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:29:49 CST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Chris Carlisle <C24884CC@WUVMD.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Better Sex Through Chemistry

In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:43:03 -0800 from

            <cochrans@APPLE.COM>



Yohimbe is toxic in just over the doseages recommended for effectiveness.

I suspect that the arousal is a sort of symptom of poisoning and not

worth the risk.  Niacin is just another type of Vitamin B.  I suspect

that the effect, if there is one, results from the fact that a large

dose of Niacin will turn your face red.  I guess it would result in a

rush of blood to the brain, which MIGHT enhance orgasm, but might

direct blood away from the genitalia where it's needed to PRODUCE

orgasm.  The one person I know who used to take a lot of Niacin didn't

enjoy the "rushes", BTW.



Kiw Carlisle

C24884CC@wuvmd.wustl.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:53:37 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: evening primrose oil and skin

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE



I was just readig about Burdock and Liquorice root being good for eczema.

Drinking a tea of the same at least three times a day or more is reported

to help.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:00:49 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: measures

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE



Hmmmm. Maybe it doesn't matter a whole lot of the dosage is exact. It

seems that with herbs we treat on a very much individual basis both with

the herbs we use and which we choose for a person. (That was kind of a

poor sentence but Oh well.) So I guess we just give our patients a cup

and say drink as much as you can and let it go at that? I'd like to

hear some other thoughts on this.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:28:14 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Drug testing

Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@vm.gmd.de



My husband, due to the nature of his job, is subject to periodic randonm

drug testing. ( He is in the merchant marine). I know poppy seed can

cause a positive reaction on the test. Are there other herbs used

medicinally that might cause a positive reaction on a drug test?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 15:42:38 -0600

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Jim McCulloch <mcculloch@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Unsubscribing and Netiquette

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr>



One problem here is that many people assume, incorrectly, that you can

always unsubscribe simply by following the directions you got when you

subscribed to the list in the first place.

If, for example, you have several email accounts, and have mail forwarded

from one account to the account you presently use, you cannot sign off from

the account you presently receive mail at.

Moreover, if you have forgotten your password at your dormant account, you

will not be able to sign off from there, even if you are remember that you

are receiving forwarded mail, because you will not be able to log on.

Not only that, one can receive mail forwarded from a computer that has been

shut down, (as I do) but whose administrators wished to do people a favor

by continuing for forward mail addressed to that computer for a year or so.

But during that year or so, no one can log on to that computer to

unsubscribe from a list.

These sorts of problems are fairly common, so it is best not to assume that

someone who sends a letter to the list asking to unsubscribe is simply

being lazy, or is more ignorant than some of the rest of us.

--Jim McCulloch



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 03:27:03 -0600

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Kay and Pete Hanson <kidkaos@USLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Drug testing

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>



>My husband, due to the nature of his job, is subject to periodic randonm

>drug testing. ( He is in the merchant marine). I know poppy seed can

>cause a positive reaction on the test. Are there other herbs used

>medicinally that might cause a positive reaction on a drug test?

>

Not exactly what you were asking for but,

eating Licorice will make it appear that you have very high blood presure.

I've been told this was used to get people out of the draft.

                                               Kay



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:08:01 +0000

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Kimberly Long <siberia@USIS.COM>

Organization: usis

Subject:      Re: Unsubscribing and Netiquette

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Jim McCulloch has listed some valid reasons for difficulties in

unsubscribing.  BUT, all problems relating to sub/unsubscribing

should be directed to the list owner, NOT the general list.  The

address for the list owner is listed in the welcome message received

when one subscribes to a list.  If writing to the list owner does

not elicit a response, then one can send an email to the

postmater@list.site.  BUT, one should be patient in waiting for a

response from a list owner (as a listowner myself, one week seems

reasonable to me).



Have a pleasant weekend everyone.  :-)



Namaste'



Kimberly Long

siberia@usis.com



If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it

is because he hears a different drummer.  Let him step to

the music he hears, however measured or far away.

)O(                                               ~~Thoreau



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:44:11 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Rosena Roberts <cs90a010@VIKING.DVC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Better Sex Through Chemistry

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <v01510100ab85deda66fc@[17.127.15.191]>



Niacin is one of the B vitamins, often prescribed for persons with high

cholesterol or heart problems.  It often causes "flushing" or reddening

of the skin of the face and sometimes the whole body, even in small doses

for some people.  It wouldn't be harmful to try it, but do it without a

partner first, to see what the side effects are for YOU.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:15:49 -0700

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: measures

Comments: To: Donna Kenton <donna@KENTON.III.NET>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <199503101233.HAA11680@nic.iii.net>



Discuss away about the medieval herbs, Donna. I am very interested. I

recently began an apprenticeship under an herbalist here in Phx. It's

really wonderful. Her garden has so much incredible energy. Such peace

and calm.





*****************************

Like a broken gong, be silent

know the freedom of stillness....

*********************************



On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, Donna Kenton wrote:



> This is a particular interest of mine.  I have several medieval herbals, and

> if anyone is interested in conversing further on the subject, we can

> continue this privately, if public conversation would be infringing on the

> group.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 10 Mar 1995 17:00:12 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Sean Pollack <pollack@MONTANO.SJSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Better Sex Through Chemistry

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9503101438.A27134-0100000@viking.dvc.edu>



L-Dopa was the drug that they use in the movie 'awakenings' where the

people were catatonic..



It had Robert Deniro and Robin Williams.



'my .02'



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:43:04 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Better Sex Through Chemistry

In-Reply-To:  <v01510100ab85deda66fc@[17.127.15.191]> from "St" at Mar 10,

            95 08:43:03 am



Another reputed aphrodisiac for men is Sarsaparilla; it increases

testosterone levels.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Mar 1995 02:58:31 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Sharon K. McClure" <aj731@DAYTON.WRIGHT.EDU>

Subject:      Marshmallow and ury

Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@psuvm.psu.edu



does anyone know of any side affects from taking marshmallow and ury?

i take about 4 capsules of each a day for incontinence.  it helps a

great deal, but i was wondering if your body can become immune to herbs

like it can to antibiotics, etc.



and i think the herb list is a wonderful place to learn and to take

what you want and leave the rest!



oh, also, i take black cohosh for menopausal "sweats".  sometimes it

helps and sometimes it doesn't.  i also am taken "ogen" a prescription]

drug for same thing.  can you "o.d." on herbs and prescription drugs

if you take them both?    i was wondering if maybe i should discontinue

the "ogen" and just try the black cohosh?



thanks in advance for any info you may have.



Sharon



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Mar 1995 09:07:41 +0100

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From:         Kevin Heffernan <kheffern@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: measures



I aggree with Jack. I'm intrested too



                             SYLETT



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Mar 1995 09:14:40 +0100

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From:         Kevin Heffernan <kheffern@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Better Sex Through Chemistry



I kind of like Niacin (b-3) rushes but would guess it would be terribly

distracting during sex.Having your Mom walk into your house, no matter what

your age, while you are having sex  might offer similar excitation but is

that sort of stimulation FUN or does it help performance? eeewwwww!



                                      SYLETT



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Mar 1995 12:26:31 -0500

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From:         Sleepy <LAURIE@HIRAM.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Better Sex Through Chemistry

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



L-dopa is also used as a treatment for Parkinson's disease.  It increases

mobility and quickens response time.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Mar 1995 12:47:36 EST

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From:         gerald creps <gcreps@SKIDMORE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Better Sex Through Chemistry

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.bitnet@BITNIC.CREN.NET

In-Reply-To:  <199503110643.AA17061@dorsai.dorsai.org>; from "George Struk" at

            Mar 11, 95 1:43 am



the fda has placed it on their cancer causing list.

-------------------

End of network mail



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Mar 1995 09:54:31 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Old herbals

Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@vm.gmd.de



Tjo continue the topic of information from old herbals, I was wondering

if anyone has opinions about the names of the herbs. Many herbs have

differing names depending on locale and time periond, etc. The old herbals

don't have scientific names to help identify them. Also similar herbs

in America may differ from european herbs. Any thoughts on this?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 12 Mar 1995 21:06:33 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Better Sex Through Chemistry

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <v01510100ab85deda66fc@[17.127.15.191]>



> L-Dopa, arginine,  niacin (taken right before sex), Piracetam, GHB

> (gamma-hydroxybutyrate), yohimbe, deprenyl

> What are these substances and are there any warnings related to any of them?



Besides niacin, are any available over the counter?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Mar 1995 09:20:17 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      fENUGREEK

Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@vm.gmd.de



Mary Asked about fenugreek. It should not be used during pregnancy as

it stimulates the uterus. It is useful for menopausal sweats adn

depression. It is used during bronchial congestion. Pulverized seeds

make a effective poultice for boils and rheumatic pains. It contains

Alkaloids, steroidal saponins, flavonoids, oils, mucilage, portein,

vitamins A, B, C, calcium iron, and minerals. The plants steroids

resemble the body's own sex hormones and can increase the flow of milk

in nursing mothers, and aid curing impotence in men.

Hope this helps. Information is from The New Age Herbsalist.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Mar 1995 11:08:29 -0800

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From:         Paul Bergner <bergner@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Old herbals

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de

In-Reply-To:  <01HO07NRSBPIHSLIEI@ua.acad1.alaska.edu> from "Anita F Hales" at

            Mar 11, 95 09:54:31 am



>

> Tjo continue the topic of information from old herbals, I was wondering

> if anyone has opinions about the names of the herbs. Many herbs have

> differing names depending on locale and time periond, etc. The old herbals

> don't have scientific names to help identify them. Also similar herbs

> in America may differ from european herbs. Any thoughts on this?

>

Potters Encyclopedia of botanical Drugs and Preparations has an excellent

appendix section with cross references to common and latin names, and

especially includes the many European common names. its available from

Medicina Biologica at 503-287-6775.







   Paul Bergner

   Editor, MEDICAL HERBALISM

   bergner@teleport.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 11 Mar 1995 11:47:59 PST

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From:         "FRED W. BACH , TRIUMF Operations" <music@ERICH.TRIUMF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Better Sex Through Chemistry

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de

Comments: cc: gcreps@SKIDMORE.EDU



>Message-ID: <9503111747.AA02088@scott.skidmore.edu>

>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 12:47:36 EST

>From: gerald creps <gcreps@SKIDMORE.EDU>

>Subject: Re: Better Sex Through Chemistry

>In-Reply-To:  <199503110643.AA17061@dorsai.dorsai.org>; from "George Struk" at

>    Mar 11, 95 1:43 am

>

>the fda has placed it on their cancer causing list.

>-------------------

>End of network mail





Gerald,



 You were too brief.  I already deleted the previous messages and you made

 no quote.



 What did the fda put on ite cancer-causing list?



 Cheers,



Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        | Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca

TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    | Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 6327/7333

4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            | FAX:    604-222-1074

University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3

Damien says " If you don't STAND for SOMETHING, you'll FALL for ANYTHING "

These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.

They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 12 Mar 1995 14:00:21 +0000

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From:         Clem Dye <clem@BASTET.DIRCON.CO.UK>

Subject:      Re: evening primrose oil and skin



At 15:15 09/03/95 -0500, john hachey wrote:

>hello,

>I am currently suffering through a bout of excema and was wondering if

>anybody had any info/experience on herbal treatments for this

>condition and specifically, whether evening primrose oil helps(I seem to

>remember the two terms being mentioned together,but don't know where)

>

>Thanks

>john

>

>

John:



I've heard from several quarters that evening primrose oil (epo) is good for

skin complaints, not only for humans but for animals as well! One of my

sister's cats has to take epo to control a skin condition and it seems to be

working :)



EPO is also useful to women to ease menstrual problems (hopefully, you're

not suffering with this!).



EPO is, as I understand it, one of those oils which can be taken internally,

but also be used externally too. It may well help your trouble.



Give it a spin.





Clem



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Mar 1995 07:17:17 +0100

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From:         Kevin Heffernan <kheffern@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Better Sex Through Chemistry



yohimbe is available OTC,usually sold by sports supplement copmanies. Herb

Pharm sells yohimbe in tincture form.  cautions include but are not limited

to,* do not use if you have high blood pressure,ae on MAO

antidepressants,have diabetes, mood disorders are pregnant....* I have seen

several men try the stuff and come back 4-6 weeks later looking for things

to calm them down or say thet it made them uncharacteristally aggressive.do

reading before you use it. Know what you are dealing with. there is a

perscription form of yohimbine too. SYLETT



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Mar 1995 08:36:34 EST

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From:         Frank Ayers <BDAYER1@BUDGET.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Old herbals



A really fine source of information can be found in old copies of

'The United States Dispensatory'. I have some from the 1800's from the

time when most pharmecuticals were made by druggists. It usually

involves the active ingredient, but there is quite a bit of information

on the botanicals involved.



                           _,  /|

Frank Ayers                  \ o.O'

                           =(___)=

                               U



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:40:58 -0800

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Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Old herbals

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE



US Dispensatory? Great, where can I get one?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 13 Mar 1995 22:09:00 -0500

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From:         Conrad Richter <conrad@RICHTERS.COM>

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Richters HerbLetter 95/03/14

Comments: To: herb-list@richters.com



-----------------------   Richters Herbletter   ------------------------

 Published by:     Richters, Canada's Herb Specialists

                   Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada

 Editor:           Conrad Richter <conrad@richters.com>



                   *** Trial issue: feedback welcome ***

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Issue ID: 95/03/14 03:00 GMT



Contents

------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. New Plant-based Anti-Cancer Drug on the Market

2. Secret Spice Turns Hazardous

------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. New Plant-based Anti-Cancer Drug on the Market

------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Conrad Richter



A new anti-cancer drug derived from a compound found in an Egyptian herb

is now available in Canada, Holland and Japan, and will soon be available

in the United States.  Quadra Logic Technologies, a Vancouver-based medical

research company has developed a light-activated drug called Photofrin

which is used in photodynamic therapy.

 The drug is injected into cancer cells and then activated by lasers.

Because lasers can be directed to cancer tissues with precision, the drug

destroys cancers selectively, leaving healthy tissue relatively undamaged.

 The drug is a derivative of 8-methoxypsoralen, a compound that occurs

naturally in several plants, including the Egyptian laceflower (Ammi majus)

found growing throughout the Nile valley.  When exposed to ultra-violet

light, the drug binds to DNA, halts normal DNA replication, and so stops

the proliferation of cancer cells.

 Laceflower was used since ancient times in Egypt to treat psoriasis and

other skin disorders.  Psoriasis patients developed a strong sunburn

reaction after taking laceflower, which helped to arrest the uncontrolled

epidermal growth and scale formation characteristic of psoriasis.  As in

the modern anti-cancer treatment, exposure to UV-light, in this case the

natural UV-light of sunlight, is enough to cause 8-methoxypsoralen to bind

to the DNA in epidermal cells and halt scale formation.

 Laceflower, also known as bishopsweed, is cultivated as an ornamental

annual in gardens.  It has lacy white umbelliferous flowers similar to those

of the Queen Anne's Lace or the wild carrot (Daucus carota).

 Quadra Logic announced on Friday that it has entered into a 10-year

agreement with Ligand Pharmaceutical Inc. of San Diego to distribute the new

drug.  The drug has been approved in Canada for the treatment of superficial

bladder cancer and is under review for relatory approval for the treatment

of esophageal cancer.  Quadra Logic already has approval to sell Photofrin

for lung and esophageal cancers in Holland and for lung, esophageal, gastric

and cervical cancers in Japan.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. Secret Spice Turns Hazardous

------------------------------------------------------------------------

 SYRACUSE, N.Y., February 15, AP -- It brought tears to many an eye.

 A woman who whips up batches of horseradish at home accidently spilled

her secret spice Monday -- and it took a hazardous-materials crew to clean

it up.

 "That must be some hellacious horseradish," Police Sargeant Mike Doolan

said.

 Ellen LaBombard of Fairmont, a Syracuse suburb, spilled 1-1/2 litres

of allyl isothiocyanate, used to flavour her spiciest jars.  LaBombard

Horseradish comes in four varieties: Regular Hot, X Hot, XXX Hot, and Too

Darn Hot.

 She tried to air out the basement by plugging in a fan, but the vapours

quickly forced her out.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Richters Herb Catalogue: 100 pages, colour, over 730 herb plants,

 seeds, and dried herbs.  Available for $2 ($4 outside N America).

 Order by email at catalog@richters.com.  Both laceflower seeds and

 regular hot horseradish plants are available from Richters.

------------------------------------------------------------------------



RICHTERS HERBS                     | Info:                 info@richters.com

Goodwood, ON  L0C 1A0, Canada      | Catalog Requests:  catalog@richters.com

Tel +1-905-640-6677  Fax 640-6641  | What's New for '95:    new@richters.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Mar 1995 10:10:25 EST

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From:         Frank Ayers <BDAYER1@BUDGET.BITNET>

Subject:      Old Herbals



I got my copies of the US Dispensatory at various old and used bookstores

in New England about 30 years ago. Also got copies of the NF and USP.

I would suggest used bookstores that specialize in older books. Sometimes

they can get these things from a network of other dealers, or if they

know that you're looking they'll pick them up at estate sales, etc.



                           _,  /|

Frank Ayers                  \ o.O'

                           =(___)=

                               U



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Mar 1995 13:49:22 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Carole Doerr <CaroleHerb@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: measures

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



It seems that the dosages on some herbs would be important, especially if

they have high toxicity with another herb or just on their own in a large

dose.  I think that doses need to be changed for the specific weight of a

person and especially a child.  Pregnant women are not recommended to be

taking very much of anything while they are pregnant or nursing.  As I am not

sure of the specific herbs being asked about here, I can't be of much further

help.

I hope this helps to shed some light.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Mar 1995 23:32:00 +0000

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From:         jonathan treasure <jtreasure@JONNO.DEMON.CO.UK>

Subject:      Re Measures, wineglasses and so on



Going back a bit on this thread I would like to point out

that in Apothecaries fluid measures a Wineglass IS

defined as 3-4 Tablespoons,(BTW a teacup  is 8-10 tablespoons)

These measures were given  so people

could measure medicine doses long before the days

of 5ml teaspoons, capsules etc etc  to ensure a dose

of the appropriate magnitude



Of course a UK tablespoon is what you call a desertspoon stateside.

To anticipate the next question, a tablespoon is defined as

180 drops or minims, 3 fluidrams, or 1/2 fluid oz.



Of course fluid ozs are different in USA.....





aaaghhhrrr gibber gibber



regards

jonathan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 14 Mar 1995 17:44:27 -0800

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From:         Peggy Wilbur <moon2peg@NATURE.BERKELEY.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Re Measures, wineglasses and so on

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@cmsa.Berkeley.EDU

In-Reply-To:  <9503142329.aa02451@gate.gate.demon.co.uk> from "jonathan

            treasure" at Mar 14, 95 11:32:00 pm



Good evening, Jon,

Just curious..

Is this why Penelope Ody, in *The Complete Medicinal Herbal* would say,

on p. 120 that 5ml=1 teaspoon and 20 ml= 1 tablespoon? Does she mean a

UK tablespoon? I think I remember you saying that a tsp.= 60 drops

(therefore the 180 drop tablespoon).  Or, is the table in the book an

oversight? I wonder...

>

> Going back a bit on this thread I would like to point out

> that in Apothecaries fluid measures a Wineglass IS

> defined as 3-4 Tablespoons,(BTW a teacup  is 8-10 tablespoons)

>  These measures were given  so people

>  could measure medicine doses long before the days

>  of 5ml teaspoons, capsules etc etc  to ensure a dose

> of the appropriate magnitude

>

> Of course a UK tablespoon is what you call a desertspoon stateside.

> To anticipate the next question, a tablespoon is defined as

> 180 drops or minims, 3 fluidrams, or 1/2 fluid oz.

>

> Of course fluid ozs are different in USA.....

>

>

> aaaghhhrrr gibber gibber

>

> regards

> jonathan

>



Good to hear you up and about.

All the best,

Peggy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 1995 01:10:14 -0400

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From:         Robert Tilghman <RTIL9353@FAUVAX.BITNET>

Subject:      Echinacea



Anyone have anything interesting on Echinacea?  I am currently

starting research on its effect on macrophage cells.  Any useful info

would be greatly appreciated...









Robert Tilghman

rtil9353@acc.fau.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 1995 02:36:36 -0500

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Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea

In-Reply-To:  <01HO5AEMB8S2C509YV@acc.fau.edu> from "Robert Tilghman" at Mar

            15, 95 01:10:14 am



If you're in the NY area pick up the latest New Life magazine. There's an

interesting article by Martin Ravitzky talking about the immune

stimulating, anti-inflamatory,  anti-viral, anti-bacterial properties and

it's use in cancer, arthritis, hepatitis, candida, Epstein-Barr virus,

herpes, etc.



> Anyone have anything interesting on Echinacea?  I am currently

> starting research on its effect on macrophage cells.  Any useful info

> would be greatly appreciated...

>

>

>

>

> Robert Tilghman

> rtil9353@acc.fau.edu

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:48:28 -0400

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Paul Stewart <stewart@BUD.PEINET.PE.CA>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <01HO5AEMB8S2C509YV@acc.fau.edu>



On Wed, 15 Mar 1995, Robert Tilghman wrote:



> Anyone have anything interesting on Echinacea?  I am currently

> starting research on its effect on macrophage cells.  Any useful info

> would be greatly appreciated...

> Robert Tilghman

> rtil9353@acc.fau.edu



Robert, et. al...

      I recently borrowed a book on the subject by Steven Foster, also

co-author of Peterson's Field Giude to Medicinal Plants:

      ECHINACEA, 1991, Healing Arts Press (1 Park St., Rochester VT 05767)

ISBN 0-89281-386-5. It is heavily referenced with a bibliography of over

400 entries. I am interested in its use in veterinary medicine,

especially horses, as well as coltsfoot. My friend has a garden full of

the stuff and I hope to start tissue culturing it this spring.

      -Paul from the Great White Northeast.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:25:01 EST

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From:         JUDY BAYLISS <JBAYLISS@PSUHMC.HMC.PSU.EDU>

Subject:      mathake tea

Comments: To: HERB@TREARN.hmc.psu.edu



Is anyone familiar with mathake tea and know where you can buy it ?



Judy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 1995 07:53:10 CST

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From:         Carla Freeman <cjfreeman@MAIL.MILLIKIN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: mathake tea

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>, HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



        I'm trying a reply to a message because I can seem to send

        a message to herb@trearn.bitnet.  Wrong address or what?



        Anyhow, my question again is SHINGLES.  My husband has them

        now and he's desperate for anything he can use????



        cjf



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:17:06 GMT1BST

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From:         Ian Pitchford <I.Pitchford@SHEFFIELD.AC.UK>

Subject:      Joining InterPsych



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computers-in-mental-health*

current-issues-in-psych

depression-l

dissociative-disorders*

emergency-psychiatry

forensic-psych*

geriatric-neuro

helplessness-l

hiv-aids-psycho-social*

hypnosis-l*

managed-behavioral-healthcare

mental-health-in-the-media

neuro-psych*

personality-disorders*

psy-language

psych-nurses

psychiatric-social-workers

psychiatry-l*

psychiatry-resources

psycho-analysis

psycho-pharm*

psychotherapy-practice*

psychotherapy-research*

research-psychologists

rural-care

sexual-variants-and-disorders*

substance-related-disorders*

thana-tology*

transcultural-psychology

traumatic-stress





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SECTION C.         Expanded Listing of:

              INTERPSYCH E-MAIL FORUMS





affective-disorders*

===================

Discourse on affective disorders.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Steven Dubovsky, M.D. <dubovsky@crete.hsc.colorado.edu>,

Professor of Psychiatry and Medicine.  Vice Chairman, Dept. of

Psychiatry, University of Colorado School of Medicine.



anxiety-depression-youth

========================

Focused specifically on anxiety and depression amongst children

and adolescents.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Sue Spence, PhD, <sues@psy.uq.oz.au>, Director of Clinical Psychology

Programs, Department of Psychology, University of Queensland,

Brisbane, Australia.



anxiety-disorders*

=================

Anxiety disorders including phobias, OCD, Panic Attack, and

Agoraphobia.  See also traumatic-stress in InterPsych's stratum

oriented category of forums (below).

FORUM COORDINATOR:

TBA



assessment-psychometrics

========================

The use and evaluation of psychological tests, including

discussion of instruments.

FORUM COORDINATOR

David L. DiLalla, Ph.D. <ddilalla@siu.edu>, Assistant Professor

of Psychology, Southern Illinois University at Carbondale



attachment-l

============

Emphasis on socio-affective and defensive processes, and

unconscious representations.  Discussion includes Bowlby-

Ainsworth's theory of attachment.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Dan Littauer <dan@cdu.ucl.ac.uk>, Graduate student, University College

London, UK.



child-adolescent-psych*

======================

Research, clinical and developmental issues discussed.

FORUM COORDINATOR

Amber Robey <akrobey@acs.ucalgary.ca>

Graduate student, University of Calgary, Canada.



clinical-psychologists*

======================

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Joseph J. Plaud, Ph.D. <Plaud@Badlands.NoDak.Edu>, Assistant

Professor, Dept. of Psychology, University of North Dakota.



clinical-psychophysiology

=========================

All areas of psychophysiology and biofeedback.  Including

techniques in the fields of medicine, psychology, psychiatry,

social work, education and sport.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Arnon Rolnick, PhD. <biosee@ccsg.tau.ac.il> is a clinical psychologist

and chair of the accreditation board of the Israeli Association

for Applied Psychophysiology and Biofeedback.  Formerly head of

the biofeedback and human performance lab of the Israeli Navy.



computers-in-mental-health*

==========================

Uses as well as development of applications and machines.

Experts and non-experts welcome.

FORUM COORDINATORS:

Martin Briscoe, MB, BS, MRCPsych <M.H.Briscoe@exeter.ac.uk>, Chair,

Computers In Psychiatry, Royal College of Psychiatrists, London, UK.

Carl Littlejohns, MB, ChB, FRCPsych <csljohns@cix.compulink.co.uk>



current-issues-in-psych

=======================

General discussion of topical issues regarding research, clinical

practice and related fields.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

David L. DiLalla, Ph.D. <ddilalla@siu.edu>, Assistant Professor

of Psychology, Southern Illinois University at Carbondale



depression-l

============

General discussion, emphasizing research.

FORUM COORDINATOR

Thomas Joiner, Ph.D. <Thomas.Joiner@utmb.Galveston.edu>,

Assistant Professor, University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston.



dissociative-disorders*

======================

Dissociative disorders in adults and children.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Peter Barach, Ph.D. <pbarach@netcom.com>, Chair, Committee on

Standards and Practice, and Member Representative at Large,

International Society for the Study of Dissociation.



emergency-psychiatry

====================

Includes medical, psychotherapeutic, social and legal issues

relating to the practice of Emergency Psychiatry.

FORUM COORDINATORS:

Robert Buckley, M.D. <bbuck@itsa.ucsf.edu>, San Francisco General

Hospital.

Nancy Tice, M.D. <nwe@panix.com>, chief resident Jacobi/Einstein

Psychiatric Emergency Room



forensic-psych*

==============

Criminal and civil forensic psychiatry/psychology including

treatment issues, trial issues, disability insurance and

ethics.

FORUM COORDINATORS:

Bruce Harry, M.D., <PSYHARRY@Mizzou1.Missouri.edu>

Ron Shlensky, M.D., J.D. <3004rs@rain.org>



helplessness-l

==============

Research on Learned Helplessness and Explanatory Style.  Latest

research on animals and humans, biological substratum,

depression, anxiety, preventions, CAVE, politics, children,

personal control, health, battering, bereavement, PTSD, sex

differences, pessimism, work, heritability.

FORUM COORDINATORS:

Martin E. P. Seligman, PhD, PhD (HC),

<seligman@cattell.psych.upenn.edu>, cofounded

both fields, Professor of Psychology, University of Pennsylvania.

David Fresco <fresco@cattell.psych.upenn.edu>, graduate student in

Clinical Psychology, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.



hypnosis-l*

==========

Hypnosis and the broader topics of suggestion and suggestibility.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Irving Kirsch, PhD, Professor of psychology at University of

Connecticut, past president of APA Division 30, North American

Editor of Contemporary Hypnosis, and co-editor (with J.W. Rhue

and Steven Jay Lynn) of the Handbook of Clinical Hypnosis.



hiv-aids-psycho-social*

======================

Differential Dx of psychological and neuro-psychological

problems.  Psychological and behavioural responses to infection

and/or disease.  Interventions for management of disease related

stressors.  Coping, social support, psychological distress and

immune system functioning.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Sharon Rae Jenkins, Ph.D. <Jenkinss@terrill.unt.edu> Assistant

Professor, University of North Texas



geriatric-neuro

===============

Emphasis on neurobehavioural disorders relating to older adults

(Alzheimers, frontal lobe degenerations, vascular dementia,

delirum, etc.).  Geared towards neuropsychology, neuropsychiatry,

gerontology,, behavioural neurology.  Psycho-social issues also

discussed.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Mike Usman, M.D. <MikeUsman@aol.com>, Director of Memory and

Movement Disorder Programs, Dept. of Psychiatry, Allegheny

General Hospital, Medical College of PA and Hahnemann University,

Allegheny Campus.



managed-behavioral-healthcare

=============================

Includes: health care reform, best clinical practices, insurance

benefits, group practice structures, outcome research, and

informatics.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Greg Alter, Ph.D. <alter@ix.netcom.com>, Chief Operating Officer,

Pacific Applied Psychology Associates.  Member, California

Psychological Association Committee on Reimbursement and Managed

Care.



mental-health-in-the-media

==========================

Broad discussion of public perception and portrayal of mental

health and mental health issues.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Les Posen <lposen@budapest.ozonline.com.au>

Special Projects Officer, Australian Psychological Society



neuro-psych*

===========

Clinical neuro-psychiatry/neuro-psychology.

FORUM COORDINATOR

Ivan Goldberg, M.D. <psydoc@netcom.com>, Ivan Goldberg is a

psychiatrist with research, teaching, and private practice

experience who founded PsyComNet and InterPsych's

Psychopharmacology, Psychotherapy and Neuro-Psych Forums.



personality-disorders*

=====================

All Clusters.  Discussion of dual and differential diagnosis.

FORUM COORDINATORS:

Thomas E. Will, PsyD, MPH <willx003@maroon.tc.umn.edu> is a

clinical psychologist with subspecialization in neuropsychology

and health psychology.

Ted Millon, Ph.D.



psy-language

============

Theories of language.  Relevance for study of psychopathological

speech also discussed.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Eugenie Georgaca <e.georgaca@mmu.ac.uk>

Graduate student, Manchester Metropolitan University.



psychiatry-l*

============

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Donald Klein, M.D., Professor of Psychiatry, Columbia University.





psych-nurses

============

FORUM COORDINATOR:

TBA



psychiatric-social-workers

==========================

FORUM COORDINATOR:

TBA



psychiatry-resources

====================

For those interested in gaining maximum use of the resources of

the Internet, off-the-internet, conference and job information

and announcements.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

TBA



psycho-analysis

===============

Issues of psychoanalytic practice, theory, politics, history and

the application of psychoanalysis to other disciplines.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Robert Galatzer-Levy, M.D. <gala@midway.uchicago.edu> is a

training and supervising psychoanalyst at the Chicago Institute

of Psychoanalysis, lecturer in psychiatry at U of Chicago, and

visiting faculty at the Boston Institute for Psychoanlysis.

Author of approx 50 papers and reviews in his field.



psycho-pharm*

============

The treatment of individuals with psychiatric disorders through

the use of psychotropic medications.

FORUM COORDINATOR

Ivan Goldberg, M.D. <psydoc@netcom.com>, Ivan Goldberg is a

psychiatrist with research, teaching, and private practice

experience who founded PsyComNet and InterPsych's

Psychopharmacology, Psychotherapy and Neuro-Psych Forums.





psychotherapy-practice*

psychotherapy-research*

======================

For those who wish to discuss the technique and outcome of

psychotherapy.

FORUM COORDINATOR

Ivan Goldberg, M.D. <psydoc@netcom.com>, Ivan Goldberg is a

psychiatrist with research, teaching, and private practice

experience who founded PsyComNet and InterPsych's

Psychopharmacology, Psychotherapy and Neuro-Psych Forums.



research-psychologists

======================

FORUM COORDINATOR:

TBA



rural-care

==========

For the self-care support of isolated-health care workers in

rural and bush communities, and for the continuing dialogue of

those concerned with health care delivery in remote and

developing areas worldwide.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

B. Hudnall Stamm, Ph.D.<afbhs@vms.acad2.alaska.edu>,

Assistant Professor and Director, Traumatic Stress Research Group,

Dept. of Psychology, University of Alaska, Anchorage



sexual-variants-and-disorders*

=============================

Biological and cultural origins and development of sexual

orientation, gender identity, and related sex differences.

Etiology and treatment of paraphilias.  Rape and sexual abuse.

Normative studies of sexual behaviour.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Michael Bailey, Ph.D. <JM-BAILEY@nwu.edu>, Assistant Professor of

psychology, Northwestern University, specializing in research on

the etiology and development of sexual orientation.



substance-related-disorders*

===========================

Includes abuse and dependence on psychoactive substances, dual

diagnosis, and behaviours that can be viewed with an addictive

model; serves for discussions from research through treatment.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Peter E. Mezciems, MD, CCFP, ASAM cert <mezciems@wat.hookup.net>,

Homewood Alcohol and Drug Services, Guelph, Ontario, Canada



thana-tology*

============

Thanatology.

FORUM COORDINATOR

Ivan Goldberg, M.D. <psydoc@netcom.com>, Ivan Goldberg is a

psychiatrist with research, teaching, and private practice

experience who founded PsyComNet and InterPsych's

Psychopharmacology, Psychotherapy and Neuro-Psych Forums.



transcultural-psychology

========================

Cultural differences in views of mental disorders, culture-

specific syndromes, collaboration between Western and traditional

healers, cultural variance in symptoms, delivering mental health

service to diverse cultures.

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Sunkyo Kwon, Dipl.-Psych <fu03c2dj@fub46.zedat.FU-BERLIN.DE>,

Free University Berlin, Dept. of Internal Medicine.



traumatic-stress

================

Promotes the investigation, assessment and treatment of immediate

and long-term psychosocial, physiological, and existential

consequences of highly stressful (traumatic) events.  Of special

interest are efforts to identify a cure of PTSD (Post-traumatic

Stress Disorder).

FORUM COORDINATOR:

Charles Figley, Ph.D. <cfigley@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>, Professor

and Director Psychosocial Stress Research Program, Florida State

University.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 1995 22:58:27 GMT

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Christopher Hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      Old Herbals



If anyone wants help with old names of herbs, and terminology

in general, I will do my best to help.

I have assembled a glossary for my own use.

Some day I will type it all up and upload it,

but until then I am willing to look anything up, when asked.



It would be best to send personal e mail, since I don't

always pick up mailings on HERB



christopher@gn.apc.org



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:05:42 EST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Tony Wagahoff <twagahoff@ECKERT.ACADCOMP.MONROECC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Old Herbals

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Chris, I dont know if you saw my post a couple of days ago, but I'm looking for info on 'sweet annie'.  Anything you have would be much appreciated.

tw



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:10:44 +0000

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         jonathan treasure <jtreasure@JONNO.DEMON.CO.UK>

Subject:      Re: Re Measures, wineglasses and so on



>Good evening, Jon,

>Just curious..

>Is this why Penelope Ody, in *The Complete Medicinal Herbal* would say,

>on p. 120 that 5ml=1 teaspoon and 20 ml= 1 tablespoon? Does she mean a

>UK tablespoon?



that's right. 4 teaspoons = 1 tablespoon = 2 desertspoons

cookbooks are a REAL problem in trans/bi/atlantic kitchens

i favour converting everything to metric for cooking (one US cup =250mls)

but i rather prefer apothecaries  measures for herbs

- last vestiges of the empire i suppose some may say

but wineglass feels like a good measure to me.......

regards

jonathan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:38:31 PST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "D.M. Heitzman" <heitzman@SU1.IN.NET>

Subject:      "herb" mail list



Please add me to your "herb" mailing list.



Thanks.....D.M. Heitzman



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:16:53 EST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         mary@CHINET.NETCOM.COM

Organization: Cultural Homestay International

Subject:      Information Request



Could you please send me some information.  I am very interested in

medicinal and aromatic plants... am currently taking mariposa lily

and iris.  I can be reached at mary@chinet.uucp.netcom.com

Thank you!!!!!!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 1995 20:08:18 +0200

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Tony Wagahoff <twagahoff@ECKERT.ACADCOMP.MONROECC.EDU>

Subject:      Sweet Annie



Greetings -- I am attempting to help a friend w/o net access do some

research.  She is an avid herb gardener and is attempting write a book about

Shakers and herbs.  (She's the gardener for an old Shaker colony near

Bowling Green, KY).  Anyway, she's interested in any info on a herb called

_sweet annie_ , in particular the origin of its name and any uses it may

have had in years gone by.  If you can be of any assistance, please email me

directly at the address below.



TIA,



-tw



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 1995 14:34:00 EST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Karen Tzilkowski <KKT2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>

Subject:      PERELANDRA



Hello!  Our local herb group would like to coordinate a field trip to

PERELANDRA, an herbal community in Virginia.  Does anyone have an

address, phone number, or other pertinent information for PERELANDRA?

Thanks in advance,

Karen Tzilkowski

kkt2@psuvm.psu.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 17 Mar 1995 22:57:04 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Cheryl Calloway <callowa3@PILOT.MSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: PERELANDRA

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%95031721323353@VM.EGE.EDU.TR> from "Karen Tzilkowski" at

            Mar 17, 95 02:34:00 pm



Perelandra, Box 3603, Warrenton, VA 22186

phone answering machine: 703-937-2153

fax: 703-937-3360



It's a wonderful place to go, but I don't know if Machaelle Small Wright and

husband Clarence allow random "field trips." There are scheduled visitation

days and various workshops which people may attend.  Good Luck!



Chere Calloway



> > Hello!  Our

local herb group would like to coordinate a field

trip to > PERELANDRA, an herbal community in Virginia.  Does anyone have an

> address, phone number, or other pertinent information for PERELANDRA?

> Thanks in advance,

> Karen Tzilkowski

> kkt2@psuvm.psu.edu

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 19 Mar 1995 13:08:45 +0000

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Clem Dye <clem@BASTET.DIRCON.CO.UK>

Subject:      Holistic list - address?



Apologies in advance:



Has someone posted details on how to subscribe to the Holistic list? I've

the list mentioned in several postings, but not the address.



Could someone post details to the list (or mail me directly)?



Thanks



Regards





Clem

clem@bastet.dircon.co.uk



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 1995 01:17:36 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         George Struk <geostar@DORSAI.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Holistic list - address?

In-Reply-To:  <199503191309.AA08098@felix.dircon.co.uk> from "Clem Dye" at Mar

            19, 95 01:08:45 pm



LISTSERV@SIUCVMB.BITNET



> Apologies in advance:

>

> Has someone posted details on how to subscribe to the Holistic list? I've

> the list mentioned in several postings, but not the address.

>

> Could someone post details to the list (or mail me directly)?

>

> Thanks

>

> Regards

>

>

> Clem

> clem@bastet.dircon.co.uk

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:23:00 CST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Mickie Erickson <Mickie@DECISIONSYS.COM>

Subject:      Minnesota White Sage



Does anyone know the proper scientific name for Minnesota white sage?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:56:41 -1100

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Tony Helman <helmant@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: ayurveda

Comments: To: ORMED@bkhouse.cts.com

Comments: cc: altmed-res@virginia.edu



>From: "BRENNAN" <N.M.Brennan@newcastle.ac.uk>

>To: comp-med-trials@mailbase.ac.uk

>Date:          Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:29:06 GMT0BST

>Subject:       Re: ayurveda

>Priority: normal

>X-List: comp-med-trials@mailbase.ac.uk

>Reply-To: comp-med-trials@mailbase.ac.uk

>Sender: comp-med-trials-request@mailbase.ac.uk

>Precedence: list

>

>I'm a medical student in the UK with an interest in Ayurveda. I'm

>going to India this summer to study it. Anyone got any advice/ done

>any research on this?

>

>Nick

>

Dr.Tony Helman

tone@werple.mira.net.au



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:38:52 -0600

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         CM23591@SWT.EDU

Organization: Southwest Texas State University

Subject:      sub



I'm trying to subsribe, please help.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:41:42 -0600

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         CM23591@SWT.EDU

Organization: Southwest Texas State University

Subject:      sub



"sub" cm23591@academia.swt.edu "C.L. Mugrage"



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:02:51 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      High Blood Pressure

Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@vm.gmd.de



I have a friend who is on medication for High blood pressure.  She ;is

also suffering lapses of memory and short term memory problems. These

problems seemd to occur about the same time she started takeing the

medication.  I thought that Gingko would help her memory problems but

how would this jive with the medication? She doesn't want to go off the

medication. She also has high cholesterol. Her age is about 55-60ish.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Mar 1995 03:07:08 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Janine Barrett <Babygirl3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: High Blood Pressure

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Garlic works very well for high blood pressure. and cholesterol. Ginko would

be good as would zinc



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:33:37 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Liddy Westmoreland <LiddyW@AOL.COM>

Subject:      psoriasis

Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@vm.gmd.de



My mother-n-law has psoriasis.  She wanted me to ask if there were any known

salves or ingestible herbals that would help her when she breaks out.



thanks liddy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Mar 1995 14:07:52 -0600

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Ann Torrez <atorrez@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: psoriasis

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <950321143334_56423694@aol.com>



I have heard that rose hip oil is good for these types of skin conditions

(applied externally)

A Torrez

atorrez@tenet.edu





On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, Liddy Westmoreland wrote:



> My mother-n-law has psoriasis.  She wanted me to ask if there were any known

> salves or ingestible herbals that would help her when she breaks out.

>

> thanks liddy

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:51:26 -0600

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From:         Ann Torrez <atorrez@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      INSECT ANSWERS



I recently ran across some info on natural insect repellents and thought I

would pass it on. Seems I remember the subject coming up a while back.



Citronella, Eucalyptus, Rosemary, Pennyroyal and Tea Tree Essential Oils



Effective against various pests including fleas. Pennyroyal most potent

must exercise care. Citronella for mosquitoes. Tea Tree will also stop

itching from bites and stings, good for wounds, rashes, blisters and

sunburns on pets and people.



Basil, Bay, Lavender, Sage and Thyme Essential Oils



Milder flea repellents, but more effective against flies(Basil),

Moths(Lavender & Rosemary) mosquitoes (Bay, Lavender, Rosemary, Sage and

Thyme



Dilute one half tsp oil per pint of water and use with in 3 days



Dried and powdered leaves can also be used, not as potent but are longer

lasting



Book Resource: Natural Insect Repellents for pets, people & Plants by

Janette Grainger



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:42:52 MST

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From:         "Stephen Campbell @ Nmhu" <campbell_s@MERLIN.NMHU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: High Blood Pressure

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



DON'T SCREW AROUND. She should let her MD know immediately about her memory

loss. Interactions between conventional and traditional meds are not well

researched or documented.Ginko is powerful medicine. Hypertension is serious.

Anti-hypertensive meds can work a number of different ways (beta-blocker,

calcium channel blocker,etc.) but none should cause memory loss.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 21 Mar 1995 19:49:57 -0500

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From:         Michael Novar <mnovo@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: psoriasis

Comments: To: Liddy Westmoreland <LiddyW@AOL.COM>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <950321143334_56423694@aol.com>



I have had some friends try Kombucha and it help.

If you would be interested in teh subject there is a discussion group at:

      kombucha-request@shore.net

in the body of the message type

      subscribe

      end

regards

Mike



ORCHIDS "R" US - Specializing in custom Orchid propagation - complete

lab facility - send us your seed capsules for flasking - *Order* our

Flask Bulletin - Orchid Planting Supply Catalog -via email - NATIVE

ORCHID T-SHIRT - 1-800-862-1353 - mnovo@freenet.fsu.edu



On Tue, 21 Mar 1995, Liddy Westmoreland wrote:



> My mother-n-law has psoriasis.  She wanted me to ask if there were any known

> salves or ingestible herbals that would help her when she breaks out.

>

> thanks liddy

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Mar 1995 01:21:29 -0700

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From:         Phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: INSECT ANSWERS

Comments: To: Ann Torrez <atorrez@TENET.EDU>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.OSF.3.91.950321154823.15317A@Joyce-Perkins.tenet.edu>



Thanks for the post on essential oils as insect repellants!! I've heard

that the oils you mentioned were beneficial, but no one ever posted how

much to dilute the oil when using.





*****************************

Like a broken gong, be silent

know the freedom of stillness....

*********************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Mar 1995 09:03:00 EST

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From:         bill maksimow <bmaksimow@ETS.ORG>

Subject:      Medicinal Herb Lecture



I just received the 1995 Well-Sweep Herb Farm catalog and found something

that might be of interest to some of you on the list. Well-Sweep is offering a

*Medicinal Herb Lecture and Walk*  on Saturday April 29 at 10 AM and 1:30 PM.



David Winston, renown teacher, writer, and lecturer, will present a two part

program on Herbal Medicine for Common Family Health Problems.  The morning

session will be a slide presentation.  The afternoon session will consist of

an educational walk to actually locate, identify and learn the properties of

these healing plants.  Walking shoes are recommended.  If inclement weather

prevents the walk, a continuation of the morning lecture will be held in its

place.



 Trained in Cherokee, Chinese, and western herbal traditions, Mr. Winston is

also founder and president of Herbalist & Alchemists.  Bring your own picnic

lunch or box lunches are available for $7.50.



Reservations are required.  The number is (908) 852-5390



Cost for either half day session is $10.00 or $15.50 for both sessions.



Well-Sweep is located at 317 Mt. Bethel Road,  Port Murray, New Jersey 07865



If you live in the area, it sounds like it might be a interesting way to

spend a Saturday.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Mar 1995 08:44:15 CDT

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From:         William Allen <WALLEN@AZTEC.ASTATE.EDU>

Organization: FINE ARTS, ASU

Subject:      Re: Stress Reducing Teas

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



I agree with Carol that Chamomile is a very good stress handler--

especially if you can get the bulk kind (uncrushed flowers).  I have

also found valerian root tea to be an excellent relaxer--often have a

cup or two after work.



Good luck with the move.



Best,

William



William Allen      wallen@aztec.astate.edu      Jonesboro, Ark. USA

*********************************************************************

"They weren't as bad as the Nazis; the Nazis would never have let me

smoke.  In Washington, they let me have a cigar, and I used it to

manufacture pauses with between their questions and my answers."

Bertolt Brecht on testifying before HUAC (1947).  ***Bertolt: they

wouldn't let you smoke a cigar today.  What does it mean?

*********************************************************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Mar 1995 07:39:14 PST

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From:         Tamara McDonald <tammy@NETMANAGE.COM>

Subject:      Re: INSECT ANSWERS

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        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>



I must have missed that posting!  Can you please repost it?  I

am planning a trip to Central America this summer, and

understand mosquitos are a BIG problem!



Thanks!

Tammy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Mar 1995 08:06:00 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Thyme / hormonal action

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        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>



Flipping thru one of my herbals, I saw a note that mentioned Thyme in

some reference to hormones, similar to wild yam and others.  Now I can't

find that back.  No other herbal I have looked at refers to that.



Does anyone have a clue if it has a hormonal effect?  If so, can you

apply it topically to replace some estrogen locally.



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Mar 1995 10:28:35 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Stress Reducing Teas

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE



Other herbs for stress are Scullcap and Hops.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Mar 1995 12:02:03 -0800

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From:         Don Dancing Feather <dms@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Stress Reducing Teas & RECOVERY FROM ADDICTION!

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        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

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Dear DJ, I am someone who has worked professionally as an herbalist and

learned a few things along the way, by way of introduction. First off,

nothing beats taking a few (3!) conscious, slow breathes. Seriously.

Now, I read a few replies that sounded good,but you note something that

warrants a more serious approach, your recovery from substance abuse. For

that, I would strongly recommend not a tea but a tincture, of the herb

Skullcap, which specifically will nourish your nerves, and is helpful

after long term abuse. If you are completely hypersensitive to even the

little amount of alcohol present in the tincture, simply squirt it into a

cup of hot water (NOT boiling!!!) and the alcohol will evaporate off.

Dried herbs in a tea won't be as effective.

NOw, the other teas mentioned may definitely help. However, Valerian

root MAY NOT HELP, it may actually be a nerve stimulant of sorts for SOME

people, as it is a heating plant constitutionally and if one's

constitution is too hot already, it might not be helpful! And it's way

overused, too, where many other herbs would be better, gang... examples

are skullcap, lemonbalm (good for emotional upset/calming, aka Melissa

Officialis....), hops for sleep, chamomile, mint, and a host of others.

Essential oils for aromatherapy work wonders! Must be real oils of

course. If you can go to a health food store with a good selection and

samplers and read through the guidebooks on them and find ones that

appeal to you and try them...the flowers are often relaxing and

noursighing to the heart...soothing and stress releasing. FOr me, when I

was moving from the city in Berkeley CA to the more woodsy Eugene OR (I

love it here! Don't tell anyone or you will all be here! Unless you are

weally wonderful...) I desperately needed something, so I sampled a bunch

and Fir essential oil just lit me right up, made me feel grounded and

calm like I was in my beloved NW forests (PLUG PLUG: some of the new

stuff coming down from Washington is going after the  last 5% remaining

old growth ancient forest, yes, they are still killing those anceint

grandmothers to turn into toilet paper and sushi bar countertops in

Japan, often at a loss to the taxpayer even, 1/3 of all timber sales, so

talk to your congressthing and president and tell them to STOP ALL

CUTTING on the National FOrest immediately! Environmental

emergency...worse than the Amazon around here...really)

NOw, if you are specifically quitting marijuana as one of those herbs,

you may find yourself helped by taking the amino acid glutamine

regularly. It is "burned" by the brain cells as an alternate fuel to the

brain-stimulating burst of glycogen, stored glucose, from the liver one

gets when toking herb.

One more thing regarding recovery: John Bradshaw quoted somebody as

saying addiction was like someone on fire running into the ocean to put

it out and drowning... you still must deal with being on fire, and it

hurts. Herbally, let me tell you about St.Johns Wort. Its a wonderful

antidepressent and helps sleep. Must take regularly for a few week to get

effects.

So, good luck! I publish a soon to be published magazine on alternative

healing resources and welcome any feedback that my readers may like, or

personal experiences.

Sincerely

Don St.Clair

Eugene OR Cascadia Bioregion

dms@efn.org



On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, DJ Marsula wrote:



> I'm looking for some stress reducing teas.  I'm in the process of

> trying to sell a house and move to another state and I'm really

> beginning to feel the effects of stress.

>

> I also am in recovery for drug and alcohol addiction and would like

> to know if there are any teas that might help with reducing the

> occasional craving (especially in high stress times).

>

> Any help would really be appreciated.

>

> "My name is Inigo Montoya.

> You stole my tagline.  Prepare to die"

>

>

> DJ Marsula

> dnmarsul@sued.syr.edu

> Communication Sciences & Disorders

> Syracuse University

> 443-9638

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Mar 1995 14:48:15 CDT

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From:         William Allen <WALLEN@AZTEC.ASTATE.EDU>

Organization: FINE ARTS, ASU

Subject:      Re: Stress Reducing Teas & RECOVERY FROM ADDICTION!

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Don Dancing Feather said

[snip]

>   NOw, the other teas mentioned may definitely help. However, Valerian

> root MAY NOT HELP, it may actually be a nerve stimulant of sorts for SOME

> people, as it is a heating plant constitutionally and if one's

> constitution is too hot already, it might not be helpful! And it's way

[snip]



Wonder if you would elaborate on "heating" and "hot."  Years ago

(60s) I was in Afghanistan and I remember long talks with people

about what foods were hot and which were cold--had nothing to do with

spice or temperature.  Never got the hang of it.  Would appreciate

elaboration.



Best,

William



William Allen      wallen@aztec.astate.edu      Jonesboro, Ark. USA

*********************************************************************

"They weren't as bad as the Nazis; the Nazis would never have let me

smoke.  In Washington, they let me have a cigar, and I used it to

manufacture pauses with between their questions and my answers."

Bertolt Brecht on testifying before HUAC (1947).  ***Bertolt: they

wouldn't let you smoke a cigar today.  What does it mean?

*********************************************************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Mar 1995 17:41:16 EST

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From:         JDEvert@ZOO.UFL.EDU

Subject:      lists



Please add me to your list, if the topic is herps, and not herbs.



Thanks,



Jason Evert

Dept Zoo

University of Florida



(JDEvert@zoo.ufl.edu)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 22 Mar 1995 22:14:26 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Stress Reducing Teas & RECOVERY FROM ADDICTION!

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE



I to would like more information about hot and cold herbs.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Stress Reducing Teas & RECOVERY FROM ADDICTION!

Comments: To: Don Dancing Feather <dms@EFN.ORG>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SUN.3.91.950322114419.13128A-100000@haus.efn.org>



Don,

(1)     you mentioned HOPS - I grow some, mostly for the foliage.  How do

I make tea or tincture from them, and how do I store them.  I have enough

to last me between season - for those who don't, are commercially grown

hops fairly clean or do they use a lot of chemicals on them?



(2)     tell me more about the mag. you are launching.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         deborah lynn kasarda <dkasarda@INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      planting seeds indoors



      I have planted some herb seeds indoors (thyme,lavender and

      spearmint) in small growing trays.  I know the soil must stay

      moist but if it is too soggy then the seeds can rot.  Does any-

      one know if watering every day is too much?  It seems like a

      lot but the soil seems to need that much to stay moist.  The

      plastic dome over the seeds has lots of condensation on it but

      the soil drys out pretty quick.  I would appreciate any helpful

      hints for indoor seed starting that anyone might have since this

      is my first try.  Thanks in advance!



      Deborah

      dkasarda@indiana.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Erin Farquhar <elf@CARMEL.COM>

Subject:      Re: planting seeds indoors

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



It's best to set the seed trays in a pan of water, rather than watering

them overhead. When the seeds sprout (Lavender can take a LONG time),

put them outside; otherwise the plants become leggy and never recover.



Good luck.



--Erin Farquhar     Voice: 408-625-0978    Fax: 408-625-4082



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Mar 1995 01:14:33 -0600

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From:         Kay and Pete Hanson <kidkaos@USLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: planting seeds indoors

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>



>        I have planted some herb seeds indoors (thyme,lavender and

>        spearmint) in small growing trays.  I know the soil must stay

>        moist but if it is too soggy then the seeds can rot.  Does any-

>        one know if watering every day is too much?  It seems like a

>        lot but the soil seems to need that much to stay moist.  The

>        plastic dome over the seeds has lots of condensation on it but

>        the soil drys out pretty quick.  I would appreciate any helpful

>        hints for indoor seed starting that anyone might have since this

>        is my first try.  Thanks in advance!

>

>        Deborah

>        dkasarda@indiana.edu

>



I would strongly advise that you get something  for a fungus called

damp-off.  Most plant stores and nurseries have several brands that will

work.  Damp-off effects seedlings after they are about an inch tall and till

they have been hardened off outside.  It causes them to wilt and die  on the

stems; they fall over and then rot.  Once you've had this problem, it seems

it is with you forever:(

 The dome is doing wonderful, they all usually do this (cloud up with

moisture).  Also check to see when to expect your seeds to come up, I seem

to remember that lavender can take awhile.  If your soil is to moist water

every other day, water in the mornings,  never use warm water (it will

actually kill seeds and plants.

                                   Kay



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Manuel Frank <komb@HP9001.RZ.FH-PFORZHEIM.DE>

Subject:      Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2

Comments: To: holistic@SIUCVMB.BITNET



taking Hydrogen Peroxide drops (chemical formula: H2O2).

taking Hydrogen Peroxide drops (chemical formula: H2O2).

In Germany nobody takes Hydrogen Peroxide for Health.

I know that Hydrogen Peroxide produces oxigen when it

comes in contact with water. I use it in my garden lake.

But I never heard before that it can be used for human

therapy.



Is Hydrogen Peroxide not too caustic (coorisive, mordant,

vitriolic - which word is correct) for the stomach?



I am interested to get more information about it. Who knows

anything about this topic or can tell from his own experience.



My encyclopady says Hydrogen Peroxide is in its pure anhydrous

state a clear colourless syrupy liquid, used in aqueous

solution as an oxidizing and bleaching agent and an antiseptic

and disinfectant.



Thanks for all information.

Gunther

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Patrick S Visniewski <blah@CCWF.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2

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In-Reply-To:  <199503232029.AA26804@noc.BelWue.DE>



Hydrogen peroxide.



Do not take internally!



A number of the bodies metabolic pathways are designed specifically to

destroy peroxides, like hydrogen peroxide.



Also for every one out there loading up on the anti-oxidants, anti oxidants

attack peroxides.  THats the purpose.



BTW Peroxides generally break down into free radicals.

      an oxygen with a single unpaired electron.



its great as a topical antiseptic, you can even gargle with it, just

don't swallow it.



Plus if you do take it orally most of it will just break into oxygen and

water.  Plus a few free radical oxygens.  I don't think that anyone would

want to ingest this or should ingest this.



Do not take it internally!!!!!





Pat



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From:         Phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: planting seeds indoors

Comments: To: deborah lynn kasarda <dkasarda@INDIANA.EDU>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.HPP.3.91.950323120049.12353A-100000@ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu>



Did you put some moss or vermiculite in the soil to retain the water in

your herb trays? sounds like the water is running right through the soil!





*****************************

Like a broken gong, be silent

know the freedom of stillness....

*********************************



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From:         Christopher Hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      re Old Herbals

Comments: To: stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca



dear Stewart,

Try Medicinal and other uses of North American Plants

Charlotte Erichsen-Brown.

Dover N.Y. 1979  ISBN 0-486-25951-X

This is a fascinating historical survey of historical uses, as recorded by trave

llers, doctors etc.



Labrador Tea, wishakapucka tea,

A popular drinking tea, anti-scorbutic, insecticide,

also useful as a lotion for stings and bites. Astringent,

said to be narcotic by some, overdoses may cause

headaches. Sometimes smoked.

Many members of the family (Ericacea) are toxic in large

doses.



happy studies  Christopher



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From:         Christopher Hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      re old herbals



Sweet Annie,



from Herbal Emissaries, bringing chinese herbs to the

west, Steven Foster and Yue Chongzi, Healing Arts Press,

Rochester, Vermont, 1992. ISBN 0-89281-349-0  paperbk.

A really interesting book that discusses chinese herbs

that are grown in gardens or occur as weeds in N America.

Gives full cultivation instructions.



Sweet Annie is Artemesia annua. this has the general

properties of the genus- look up any wormwood/sagebrush,

with the addition of a specific anti-malerial action. An

extract of the herb is being tried in China and Africa,

with good success. I have started to use a tincture, too

soon to say about maleria but definatly works on Guardia.

A weed of waste places in the east and midwest.

Artemesias are difficult to seperate out and expert help

may be needed to be sure of identification.



Christopher



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Date:         Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:49:00 EDT

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From:         Jonathan McDonagh <MCDONAGH@MIDD.CC.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2



I would definitely recommend against ingesting hydrogen peroxide because

it is a free radical initiator (although a bad one) which can be

carcinogenic and, more importantly, it is a strong oxident and hence

will reearange and bind just about any organic molecule in the body, which

is why it is good at disinfecting open wounds - because it kills.



However, if you really want to dring some, a little bit probably won't

hurt, the body has several defenses against peroxides, the epithelial lining

of the gastro -intestinal system being one of them.



                                      walk in balance,

                                      jon,

                                      majoring in biochemistry

                                      in the green mountain state



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:31:11 -0800

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From:         Don Dancing Feather <dms@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Stress Reducing Teas & RECOVERY FROM ADDICTION!

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Regarding heating and all that, rather than try I suggest finding either

The Way of Herbs or Planetary Herbology by Michael Tierra and seeing what

he says about it.

Basically, most planetary cultures doing holistic medicne view the body

constitutionally, as a whole, as an ecosystem, and conditions internally

to be on a spectrum from hot to cold, wet to dry, excess to deficient,

etc....

Ps Gang, I am signing off HERB list for a while, my internet activities

I need to cut back for a while as I need to focus on income generating...

still working the newsletter planning. Would love to hear from you all if

you mail me directly here at dms@efn.org. Feel free to forward anything

from the list to me if you like...

THanks!

Don St.Clair

Eugene OR

Cascadia BioRegion

dms@efn.org



On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, William Allen wrote:



> Don Dancing Feather said

> [snip]

> >   NOw, the other teas mentioned may definitely help. However, Valerian

> > root MAY NOT HELP, it may actually be a nerve stimulant of sorts for SOME

> > people, as it is a heating plant constitutionally and if one's

> > constitution is too hot already, it might not be helpful! And it's way

> [snip]

>

> Wonder if you would elaborate on "heating" and "hot."  Years ago

> (60s) I was in Afghanistan and I remember long talks with people

> about what foods were hot and which were cold--had nothing to do with

> spice or temperature.  Never got the hang of it.  Would appreciate

> elaboration.

>

> Best,

> William

>

> William Allen      wallen@aztec.astate.edu      Jonesboro, Ark. USA

> *********************************************************************

> "They weren't as bad as the Nazis; the Nazis would never have let me

> smoke.  In Washington, they let me have a cigar, and I used it to

> manufacture pauses with between their questions and my answers."

> Bertolt Brecht on testifying before HUAC (1947).  ***Bertolt: they

> wouldn't let you smoke a cigar today.  What does it mean?

> *********************************************************************

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Mar 1995 20:55:27 +0000

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From:         Kimberly Long <siberia@USIS.COM>

Organization: usis

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2

Comments: To: Manuel Frank <komb@HP9001.RZ.FH-PFORZHEIM.DE>,

        HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



DO NOT TAKE H2O2 INTERNALLY!!!!!!!!!  Sorry for shouting and

additionally for not having more time to explain.  Trust me (or ask

around), you should NOT take Hydrogen Peroxide internally.



Namaste'



Kimberly Long

siberia@usis.com



If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it

is because he hears a different drummer.  Let him step to

the music he hears, however measured or far away.

)O(                                               ~~Thoreau



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Mar 1995 21:26:13 -0600

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From:         J Lindemann <balindem@FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: planting seeds indoors



An excellent source of solid info is Bubel's The New Seed Starter's

Handbook by the Rodale Press.  The domes work fine until sprouting as will

plastic sheets.  Then light, temperature and moisture become important.

We've never experienced dampoff when using a good spagnum based starting

soil.



Jim



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:28:54 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: re old herbals

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE



RE: Sweet Annie, You mention maleria and "guardia".  Do you perhaps

mean "Giardia".



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Mar 1995 22:43:11 -0600

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From:         CATS! <curtz@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: planting seeds indoors

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I plant seeds for my vegetable garden indoors.  I keep them dark with a paper

plate. I check about three times a day to see that they are still moist.

If you know how to do sprouts its very similiar dark and moist.



sharon



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Mar 1995 21:38:36 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2

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On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Patrick S Visniewski wrote:



> Hydrogen peroxide.

>

> Do not take internally!

>

> A number of the bodies metabolic pathways are designed specifically to

> destroy peroxides, like hydrogen peroxide.



I've noted a number of tanker trucks, coming from BC (Canada) heading

south along I-5 near Portland OR.

Why would this stuff come from there?  Sounds like anyone with a water

supply could make their own.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:55:30 -0500

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2

In-Reply-To:  <199503232029.AA26804@noc.BelWue.DE> from "Manuel Frank" at Mar

            23, 95 09:27:51 pm



There's a book written by Ed McCabe called Oxygen Therapies ( I think).

Goes into some detail on therapeutic uses.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:59:58 -0500

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2 warnings

In-Reply-To:  <199503240254.UAA24749@usis.com> from "Kimberly Long" at Mar 23,

            95 08:55:27 pm



To all those who warn of the dangers of taking H2O2 internally it's ony

fair to point out that there are plenty of people who swear it helped

with arthritis, AIDS, cancer, etc. It is also used intravenously as an

anti-viral, anti-bacterial.



30% H2O2 MUST NOT BE TAKEN INTERNALLY. IT IS FATAL.



BUT, therapeutic internal doses are usually given as 3% to 5% (a few

drops of 30% in a glass of water.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 01:01:42 -0500

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      H2O2 warnings

In-Reply-To:  <199503240254.UAA24749@usis.com> from "Kimberly Long" at Mar 23,

            95 08:55:27 pm



To all those who warn of the dangers of taking H2O2 internally it's only

fair to point out that there are plenty of people who swear it helped

with arthritis, AIDS, cancer, etc. It is also used intravenously as an

anti-viral, anti-bacterial.



30% H2O2 MUST NOT BE TAKEN INTERNALLY. IT IS FATAL.



BUT, therapeutic internal doses are usually given as 3% to 5% (a few

drops of 30% in a glass of water.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 23 Mar 1995 21:34:29 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2

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I don't remember the original posts on this subject (probably further

down in my queue).  Isn't a large part of the content of these foil

packages of milk and juice that contain no preservatives and last forever

sitting on unrefrigerated grocery shelfs (can't think of the name for

them) H2O2?  (and was that not a run-on sentence?)



The use food-grade H2O2, which is supposed to be neutral in taste,

whereas the cheap stuff in the pharmacy tastes terrible.









On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Jonathan McDonagh wrote:



> I would definitely recommend against ingesting hydrogen peroxide because

> it is a free radical initiator (although a bad one) which can be

> carcinogenic and, more importantly, it is a strong oxident and hence

> will reearange and bind just about any organic molecule in the body, which

> is why it is good at disinfecting open wounds - because it kills.

>

> However, if you really want to dring some, a little bit probably won't

> hurt, the body has several defenses against peroxides, the epithelial lining

> of the gastro -intestinal system being one of them.

>

>                                         walk in balance,

>                                         jon,

>                                         majoring in biochemistry

>                                         in the green mountain state

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:35:02 -0500

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      cigar smoking

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SUN.3.91.950323182734.8890H-100000@haus.efn.org> from "Don

            Dancing Feather" at Mar 23, 95 06:31:11 pm



>Bertolt: they wouldn't let you smoke a cigar today.  What does it mean?



It means putting carcinogenic poison into the common air shared by

several people (some of whom may not wish to be poisoned) is considered

rude. What nerve!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 06:40:41 EST

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From:         Donna Hummel <DHUMMEL@PSUHMC.BITNET>

Subject:      Kava Kava



Good Morning...



The manager at my health food store wanted to know if anyone has heard of

Kava Kava and what their feelings are about it.  It sounds like some kind

of wonder herb...one of those too good to be true to him and he's interested

in whether or not anyone has any information on it.



TIA,

Donna





Donna Hummel                         Pennsylvania State University

Information Systems                  Milton S. Hershey Medical Center

dhummel@psuhmc.hmc.psu.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:44:09 -0500

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From:         "Carl Strohmenger (HSC)" <cstrohme@COM1.MED.USF.EDU>

Subject:      Re: planting seeds indoors

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On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, deborah lynn kasarda wrote:



>         I have planted some herb seeds indoors (thyme,lavender and

>         spearmint) in small growing trays.  I know the soil must stay

>         moist but if it is too soggy then the seeds can rot.  Does any-

>         one know if watering every day is too much?  It seems like a

>         lot but the soil seems to need that much to stay moist.  The

>         plastic dome over the seeds has lots of condensation on it but

>         the soil drys out pretty quick.  I would appreciate any helpful

>         hints for indoor seed starting that anyone might have since this

>         is my first try.  Thanks in advance!

>

>         Deborah

>         dkasarda@indiana.edu

>

If the growing trays are under a plastic dome and the dome has lots of

condensation on it, then you have 100% humidity and you should not need

to add any more water unless you are germinating seeds that need to be

immersed in water.

- Carl



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:17:00 CST

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From:         Mickie Erickson <Mickie@DECISIONSYS.COM>

Subject:      Re: Starting Seeds Indoors



 Watering every day isn't too often if the pot has good drainage,  don't

be discoraged if the spearmint takes a long time to germinate.  The seeds

that I have seen have a thick white starch coating to make handling easier

(apparently the seeds are just tiny), and that coating has to break down

before water can reach the actual seed.  My spearmint took 2 1/2 months to

germinate.   Bottom heat can also help (placing it on a radiator or on top

of the refrigerator), but the soil will dry quicker.  Be sure to take the

plastic cover off once the seeds have germinated to avoid dampening off.



---------------------------------------------------------------------

  Mickie Erickson               |

  Decision Systems, Inc.        |

  Minneapolis, MN, USA          |    mickie@decisionsys.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 07:19:12 -0700

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From:         Phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2

Comments: To: Manuel Frank <komb@HP9001.RZ.FH-PFORZHEIM.DE>

Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

In-Reply-To:  <199503232029.AA26804@noc.BelWue.DE>



I don't understand the internal use of H2O2 either. Once ingested, the

oxygen in the peroxide becomes a free radical. Which certainly wouldn't

be beneficial.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?



__________________________________________________________________

"The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are

composed entirely of lost airport luggage."

                                          Mark Russell



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 18:23:37 MEZ

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From:         Manuel Frank <komb@HP9001.RZ.FH-PFORZHEIM.DE>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2

Comments: cc: holistic@siucvmb.bitnet

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9503240714.D5450-0100000@bud.indirect.com>; from

            "Phxhawk" at Mar 24, 95 7:19 am



>

> I don't understand the internal use of H2O2 either. Once ingested, the

> oxygen in the peroxide becomes a free radical. Which certainly wouldn't

> be beneficial.

> Anyone else have thoughts on this?

>

> __________________________________________________________________

> "The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are

> composed entirely of lost airport luggage."

>                                             Mark Russell

>

     I did understand the internal use of h2O2 either. Some

     people from the U.S. wrote me that they are taking

     Hydrogen Peroxide drops (H2O2). A lady wrote me:

     "My husband is on a routine of taking Hydrogen Peroxide.

     He is on 14 drops 3 x a day. Know a man who had inoperable

     prostate and bone cancer and he is taking this. Xrays show

     no sign of bone cancer or cancer of prostate."



     A doctor sent me a booklet about this kind of oxygen therapy.

     I quote from this: "The simple schedule for mixing 3% hydrogen

     peroxide is: one part of 3% solution of hydrogen peroxide with

     five parts os distilled water.....Drink this mixture on an

     empty stomach." This booklet was published by EC2H2O Inc.,

     P.O. Box 126, Delano, MN 55328 (12 pages).



     The doctor wrote: "The high food grade Hydrogen Peroxide can only

     be bought as an agriculture product here in America, not for

     human consumption due to government intervention. There are several

     books on the subject however I haven't their names".



     The internal use of H2=2 sound strange to me, too. But on the

     other hand it made me curious. That's why I try to get more

     information from the helpful people of the list.



     Thank you all for your replies so far.



     May be my English is not perfect. I apologize.

     Gunther

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 12:56:59 -0500

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From:         "Mark D. Gold" <GOLD@ILP.MIT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@mitvma.mit.edu



>Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 07:19:12 -0700

>From:         Phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

>Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2

>Comments: cc: Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>

>

>I don't understand the internal use of H2O2 either. Once ingested, the

>oxygen in the peroxide becomes a free radical. Which certainly wouldn't

>be beneficial.

>Anyone else have thoughts on this?



Phxhawk,



Here are a couple responses to a similar question that was posted to

misc.health.alternative a while back.



Re: H2O2 and free radicals (Steven Fowkes):



>If avoiding free radicals were the only issue, one would be well

>advised never to stand at the base of a waterfall or walk along

>the beach.

>

>Since oxygen is both an oxidizing agent and a di-radical, I guess we

>should never breathe either.



Re: H2O2 and free radicals (me):



Steven,



I spoke with a Professor of Chemistry today who said he recently

used 25 drops/day of food-grade hydrogen peroxide for two weeks to

get rid of the arthritis in his knees.  (I believe that the dosage he

mentioned was 25 drops.)  In the past he hand no success with

pharmaceuticals.



I mentioned to him that H2O2 was an oxidizer and that is one reason

people think it may be dangerous.  He said that we use oxidizers in

our body killing anaerobic bacteria and viruses among other things.



With all of the good press about anti-oxidants, I'm glad you put in a

good word for oxidants too.



--------------------



I believe that some types of beneficial bacteria in the intestines

produce small amounts of H2O2 to help kill the pathenogenic bacteria.

Also, I have read that diluted, food-grade H2O2 is used to disinfect

produce in some grocery stores.  I have heard that it is used in

some mouthwash products too.



I'm not one who promotes the use of small amounts of food-grade H2O2

for every ailment.  But I believe that it is generally safe when

small amounts of diluted food-grade H2O2 are taken medicinally.  There

are many people who have been helped by this treatment (and probably

others who have not been helped).  As was mentioned earlier, Ed

McCabe wrote a book called "Oxygen Therapies" which discusses the

medicinal use of H2O2.  You can purchase the book from Arise & Shine

(602/293-1098).



Best regards,

                          - Mark

                      gold@ilp.mit.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 12:09:50 -0700

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From:         Phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide - H2O2

Comments: To: "Mark D. Gold" <GOLD@ILP.MIT.EDU>

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In-Reply-To:  <950324125659.705c2@ILP.MIT.EDU>



Thanks for your input, Mark. It was most informative.



__________________________________________________________________

"The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are

composed entirely of lost airport luggage."

                                          Mark Russell



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:41:42 -0500

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From:         Debi Bliss <Debibliss@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Apologies First

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Sorry if this post comes up more than once - I've tried three different ways

to post to HERB and have yet to be sucessful. This time I just tried the

reply button and kept my fingers crossed.



Re: STRESS REDUCING TEAS -

I didn't see any mention of Passion Flower (passaflora). I've used this

successfully and it even has a nice taste! I've read that you can use any

part of the plant but I use what's in my yard so I cut only the young tips.



Re: HOT & COLD

I don't have much interest in this aspect yet but it just so happens that I

have a book that is all about that. I don't know what this group may think of

the book or it's writer but I'll leave it up to those that may have an

opinion about it. The book is titled "Planetary Herbology" by Michael Tierra,

C.A., N.D. (heck, I don't even know what all those initials mean!)



Now for my questions......

The Comfrey root I purchase in a health food store is nicely chopped up, has

a creamy white color except for a nice clean gray color that is probably the

outside of the root. It produces a nice gelatinous muscilage that works

wonders for me. My problem is the comfrey I grow in my yard. I doubt I would

ever get my dried root to look as pretty as what I purchase in the store but

I'm also having trouble getting that nice muscilage. I use a dehydrator and I

try to be real careful and balance getting it dried enough without over dried

but I don't seem to be having much luck. Can anyone give me any insight - or

better yet maybe another way to dry it that you've tried and has worked for

you?  Any insights will help.



Thanks

Debi Bliss

debibliss@aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 08:33:24 -1000

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From:         Eileen Herring <eherring@UHUNIX.UHCC.HAWAII.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Kava Kava

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%95032413492633@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



Aloha,



Kava (or kava kava or 'awa) is Piper methysticum.  It is a medicinal

plant widely used throughout the Pacific.  The root is the part most

often used in healing, but sometimes the bark and leaves are used.  It is

used in the treatment of headaches, muscle pain, and to induce sleep.  In

Fiji it is also used socially/recreationally.  Not a wonder drug, but a

useful one.  For additional information, see Isabella Aiona Abbott's

_La'au Hawaii_ and/or W. Arthur Whistler's _Polynesian Herbal Medicine_.

There is also some information available on Medline.



Eileen Herring



On Fri, 24 Mar 1995, Donna Hummel wrote:



> Good Morning...

>

> The manager at my health food store wanted to know if anyone has heard of

> Kava Kava and what their feelings are about it.  It sounds like some kind

> of wonder herb...one of those too good to be true to him and he's interested

> in whether or not anyone has any information on it.

>

> TIA,

> Donna

>

>

> Donna Hummel                         Pennsylvania State University

> Information Systems                  Milton S. Hershey Medical Center

> dhummel@psuhmc.hmc.psu.edu

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 24 Mar 1995 18:38:38 -0500

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From:         Rick Scott <ricks@VIVANET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kava Kava

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>Good Morning...

>

>The manager at my health food store wanted to know if anyone has heard of

>Kava Kava and what their feelings are about it.  It sounds like some kind

>of wonder herb...one of those too good to be true to him and he's interested

>in whether or not anyone has any information on it.

>

>TIA,

>Donna

>

>

>Donna Hummel                         Pennsylvania State University

>Information Systems                  Milton S. Hershey Medical Center

>dhummel@psuhmc.hmc.psu.edu

>

Donna,



You can find information on kava kava in Tierra's "Planetary Herbology."



I've used it many times, both as a powder and an alcoholic tincture. It's

supposed to relieve pain and to induce vivid dreams. I can't say I've

really experienced either of these effects -- at least not markedly.

Like most "exotic" herbs, I always take a small dose (maximum 1/2 tsp.

of powder or 2.5 ml of tincture), so maybe that's why.



The one very strong -- and kind of charming -- effect I have experienced

is a numbing of the mouth where the kava kava touches.



Rick



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From:         EDWARD FOX <edfox@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      herbal ointment preparation



I need some assistance in finding a neutral base to use in my herbal

ointments. Initially I used petroleum jelly, but found that this was a

bad choice for a million reasons, so i stopped compounding ointments for

awhile. my clients are after me again, and i'm hestitating till i find a

better medium. Any sound suggestions would be greatly appreciated, keep

in mind the ideal choice would be a product already sold in the retail

herb stores, my next choice would be bulk.



thanks you in advanced.....feel free to contact me  directly........





ed fox

edfox@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 25 Mar 1995 08:23:26 -0700

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From:         Caron Rifici <c_rifici@CC.COLORADO.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal ointment preparation



Edward

Most of my herb books recommend using lanolin (with or without beeswax

depending on how soft you want it to be) for ointments

.  You used to be

able to buy it at the drugstore but I understand it is now pretty

pricey.  You might want to check.  Hope this helps.   Caron



C_RIFICI@cc.colorado.edu



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From:         "Fran E. Rich" <frich@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal ointment preparation

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Not that I'm an expert but I agree with Caron about lanolin and beeswax.

Got them both at a local health food grocery last year to make some

capsicum ointment. I do think the lanolin was somewhat expensive. I

checked one of the jars of it that I have left over but there's no price

on it.



Fran



On Sat, 25 Mar 1995, Caron Rifici wrote:



> Edward

>  Most of my herb books recommend using lanolin (with or without beeswax

> depending on how soft you want it to be) for ointments

> .  You used to be

> able to buy it at the drugstore but I understand it is now pretty

> pricey.  You might want to check.  Hope this helps.   Caron

>

> C_RIFICI@cc.colorado.edu

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Kimberly Long <siberia@USIS.COM>

Organization: usis

Subject:      lanolin (was Re: herbal ointment preparation)

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Just a side note:  allergies to lanolin are quite common.  Have a

super weekend everyone.  :-)



Namaste'



Kimberly Long

siberia@usis.com



To know of someone here and there whom we accord with, who

is living on with us, even in silence -- this makes our earthly

ball a peopled garden.             ~~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

)O(



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 25 Mar 1995 16:40:32 +0200

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      HerbFAQ available on sunSITE.unc.edu



Hello Herblist,

I've just posted a FAQ for medicinal herbs - scientifically biased in the=20

newsgroup Alt.folklore.herbs. It is available on sunsite.unc.edu, in=20

pub/academic/medicine

/alternative-healthcare/herbs/faqs as Herb.afh-faq.1 and Herb.afh-faq.2,=20

(about 40 kB

in all, split because none of my windows programs can handle all of it in=

=20

one go)

(%=A4=A4@=A3$ windows - no problems like this in unix).



Below the contents, possible killfile-words edited:



1.0 Introduction

2.0 Frequently asked questions

2.1 Valeriana/Valium

3.0 Wonder medicines of the month - don't take these seriously:

3.1 E****c and K*****ha

3.2 The M**g D*****y Web site

4.0 Good Printed Sources

4.1 Good Books on Herbal Medicine for the beginner

4.2 Good Books for further studies - for the scientifically minded

4.3 Good Magazines

5.0 Other sources

5.1 Napralert - commercial database (nothing yet)

5.2 Medline - commercial (?) database

5.3 Good Shareware Herbprograms for DOS

5.4 Good Shareware Herbprograms for Mac (nothing yet)

6.0 Apprenticeships offered lately

7.0 Check these sites

7.1 Medicinal Herb Archives at sunSITE.unc.edu

7.2 Rob Bidleman's server

8.0 Mailing lists

8.1 The Herblist

8.2 The Aromatherapy list

8.3 The Holistic list

8.4 The K******a list

9.0 Related newsgroups

10.0 Standard Herb Disclaimer



Check it out. If enough of you think it OK it'll be the official herblist

FAQ as well, and update posts like this one will be posted to the herblist

every month (which I believe is realistic for updated versions).



HeK

--

Henriette Kress              HeK@hetta.pp.fi

     Happy in Helsinki, Finland.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 25 Mar 1995 19:46:17 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Starting Seeds Indoors

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On Fri, 24 Mar 1995, Mickie Erickson wrote:



>    Watering every day isn't too often if the pot has good drainage,  don't

> be discoraged if the spearmint takes a long time to germinate.  The seeds

> that I have seen have a thick white starch coating to make handling easier

> (apparently the seeds are just tiny), and that coating has to break down

> before water can reach the actual seed.  My spearmint took 2 1/2 months to

> germinate.   Bottom heat can also help (placing it on a radiator or on top

> of the refrigerator), but the soil will dry quicker.  Be sure to take the

> plastic cover off once the seeds have germinated to avoid dampening off.



I've heard that some seed (pine?) are that difficult that they are

processed in some caustic (bleach?) or temporarily frozen to crack the

seed hull.



Anyone have specifics on that?



Jack vL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 25 Mar 1995 09:36:15 -0600

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From:         Kay and Pete Hanson <kidkaos@USLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Starting Seeds Indoors

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>I've heard that some seed (pine?) are that difficult that they are

>processed in some caustic (bleach?) or temporarily frozen to crack the

>seed hull.

>

>Anyone have specifics on that?

>

>Jack vL

>

Some pines have to have heat for the cones to open, then seeds have to

be processed before they'll sprout.  Depends on the type of pine,  That's

all i remember.

                            Kay



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 25 Mar 1995 20:25:55 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal ointment preparation

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On Fri, 24 Mar 1995, EDWARD FOX wrote:



> I need some assistance in finding a neutral base to use in my herbal

> ointments. Initially I used petroleum jelly, but found that this was a

> bad choice for a million reasons, so i stopped compounding ointments for

> awhile. my clients are after me again, and i'm hestitating till i find a

> better medium. Any sound suggestions would be greatly appreciated, keep

> in mind the ideal choice would be a product already sold in the retail

> herb stores, my next choice would be bulk.



I've used bees wax and olive oil, heated together.  Don't get too hot.



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From:         Ann Torrez <atorrez@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal ointment preparation

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In an herbal class I attended Lanolin was used to make ointments.

Ann Torrez

atorrez@tenet.edu





On Fri, 24 Mar 1995, EDWARD FOX wrote:



> I need some assistance in finding a neutral base to use in my herbal

> ointments. Initially I used petroleum jelly, but found that this was a

> bad choice for a million reasons, so i stopped compounding ointments for

> awhile. my clients are after me again, and i'm hestitating till i find a

> better medium. Any sound suggestions would be greatly appreciated, keep

> in mind the ideal choice would be a product already sold in the retail

> herb stores, my next choice would be bulk.

>

> thanks you in advanced.....feel free to contact me  directly........

>

>

> ed fox

> edfox@ix.netcom.com

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sat, 25 Mar 1995 20:31:25 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Starting Seeds Indoors

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On Sat, 25 Mar 1995, Kay and Pete Hanson wrote:



> >I've heard that some seed (pine?) are that difficult that they are

> >processed in some caustic (bleach?) or temporarily frozen to crack the

> >seed hull.

> >

> >Anyone have specifics on that?

> >

>   Some pines have to have heat for the cones to open, then seeds have to

> be processed before they'll sprout.  Depends on the type of pine,  That's

   ^^^^^^^^^^

> all i remember.

>                               Kay



What do you mean by "processed"?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Caron Rifici <c_rifici@CC.COLORADO.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal ointment preparation



Jack

What proportions do you use for the bees wax and olive oil? Do you think

that Almond oil would work as well?  Thanks   Caron



C_RIFICI@cc.colorado.edu



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From:         Ann Torrez <atorrez@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: psoriasis

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Think you could probably make it yourself but for something as severe as

psoriasis I would go with a purchased product.



On Wed, 22 Mar 1995 LETTITIA1@vaxa.mdx.ac.uk wrote:



> Is the rosehip oil suggested for treatment of psoriasis an essential oil

> or something you can make yourself?

> Thanks,

> Colin

>



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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herbal ointment preparation

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I ge lanolin from the druggist, ask for anhydrous lanolin. My beeswax is

from toilet bowl seals purchased from the hardware store. Just make sure

they aren't the ones with parrafin also. It's very cheap that way.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Sun, 26 Mar 1995 15:43:26 +0000

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From:         Clem Dye <clem@BASTET.DIRCON.CO.UK>

Subject:      Thanks!



Just a quick note to thank those people who so kindly sent me the

subscription address of the Holistic list. I'm now subscribed and am looking

forward to participating.



My reason for posting to the Herb list, rather than replying to the

individuals who mailed me with address details is that of all the mail

address details that I received, only

listserv%siucvmb.bitnet@vm42.cso.uiuc.edu would connect me. The others that

I used simply got bounced due to an unknown mail address. It could be a

problem with my Internet provider's mail software, but I haven't had any

other problems.



The address listserv%siucvmb.bitnet@vm42.cso.uiuc.edu seems to be the way to go.



Regards





Clem



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On Sat, 25 Mar 1995, Caron Rifici wrote:



>   What proportions do you use for the bees wax and olive oil? Do you think

> that Almond oil would work as well?  Thanks   Caron



I was afraid you'd ask <g> - it has been a few years.  I'd start with 10%

oil, warm, mix, and let cool.  If it hardens too much, heat and add

another 10%, etc.



I assume any oil would work, but the odor you desire may be driven off by

heating.



If you come up with a good proportion, let me know so I can avoid

excessive experimenting on my next batch.



Jack vL



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On Sat, 25 Mar 1995, Anita F Hales wrote:



> I ge lanolin from the druggist, ask for anhydrous lanolin. My beeswax is

> from toilet bowl seals purchased from the hardware store. Just make sure

> they aren't the ones with parrafin also. It's very cheap that way.



Great idea - I've been getting all these bee-stings for my efforts.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 28 Mar 1995 02:06:02 -0500

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      sprouting avacodo

In-Reply-To:  <199503260354.VAA04340@uslink.net> from "Kay and Pete Hanson" at

            Mar 25, 95 09:36:15 am



I'm trying so sprout an avacodo pit with no luck. Soaked it in water for

a week, put it in wet soil, no dice. Any suggestions?



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From:         Tony Helman <helmant@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

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FYI:



Anticholinergic Poisoning Associated

with an Herbal Tea -- New York City, 1994



   Inadvertent anticholinergic poisoning can result from consumption of

foods contaminated with plants that contain belladonna alkaloids. During

March 1994, the New York City Department of Health (NYCDOH) investigated

seven cases of anticholinergic poisoning in members of three families;

three of the seven ill persons required emergency treatment for

characteristic manifestations. For all cases, manifestations occurred

within 2 hours after drinking tea made from leaves purchased commercially

and labeled as Paraguay tea--an herbal tea derived from the plant Ilex

paraguariensis, which is native to South America. This report summarizes

the investigation of these cases.

   On March 20, a 39-year-old man and his 38-year-old wife shared a pot

of Paraguay tea. Within 30 minutes after drinking the tea, both developed

acute symptoms (including agitation and flushed skin). They were

transported by ambulance to a local hospital. In the emergency department,

the man was disoriented and agitated. Findings on examination included

fever (101.2 F [38.4 C]), dilated and nonreactive pupils, and dry skin and

oral mucous membranes; bowel sounds were absent. Anticholinergic poisoning

was diagnosed based on clinical findings, and the New York City Poison

Center (NYCPC) was notified. After treatment with two doses of intravenous

physostigmine (2 mg each over 5 minutes), signs and symptoms completely

resolved. Findings on examination of the woman included fever (100.8 F

[38.2 C]), dilated and nonreactive pupils, and dry skin and oral mucosa.

Her symptoms resolved without treatment.

   On March 21, a 20-year-old woman drank approximately 1 cup of Paraquay

tea; approximately 1 hour later, she presented to a local emergency

department with agitation, disorientation, and aphasia that progressed to

stupor. Findings on examination included increased pulse (120 beats per

minute), oral temperature of 98.2 F (36.8 C), dilated pupils, dry skin, and

absent bowel sounds. Anticholinergic syndrome was diagnosed, and the NYCPC

was notified. She received gastric lavage, activated charcoal, and a

cathartic. Her mental status gradually improved, and she was discharged

after 10 hours of observation.

   On March 23, four family members shared a pot of tea. Approximately

1 hour later, the 10-year-old son was transported by his parents to a local

emergency department because of agitation and restlessness. Findings on

examination included increased pulse (120 beats per minute), dilated and

nonreactive pupils, flushed skin, dry mucous membranes, and hypoactive

bowel sounds. Anticholinergic syndrome was diagnosed, and the NYCPC was

notified. After treatment with two doses of intravenous physostigmine (0.5

mg each over 5 minutes), his manifestations resolved. Because the boy's

35-year-old mother and 40-year-old father reported symptoms, including dry

mouth, the emergency department physician presumptively diagnosed

anticholinergic syndrome in both parents. Their symptoms resolved without

treatment. The boy's 18-year-old brother had left home for school

immediately after drinking the tea. On returning home during the evening

of March 23, he reported confusion and no knowledge of his whereabouts

during the day.

   At the request of the NYCPC, the emergency department physicians

obtained samples of tea from each family for analysis. Samples consisted

of packages of dried and chopped leaves and stems wrapped in clear

cellophane; the package label identified a New York City distributor of

South American foods. Analysis involved soaking 5 g of tea in 50 mL of

methanol for 4 hours. From 1 uL of the liquid extract, the belladonna

alkaloids atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscyamine were identified by gas

chromatography/mass spectrometry. Quantitative analysis was not performed.

   Investigations by the NYCDOH, the NYCPC, and the Food and Drug

Administration (FDA) indicated that the distributor had purchased the tea

directly from farmers and had shipped it in bulk to New York City for

packaging. Five cases of 24 packs had been delivered to one grocery store

specializing in South American foods. Only one case had been sold; the

remaining four cases were subsequently quarantined in accordance with New

York City health statutes. The grocery store had no record of persons who

had purchased the tea. On March 24, the NYCDOH issued a news release to

educate the public about the hazards of drinking the contaminated Paraguay

tea. No additional cases of anticholinergic poisoning associated with

Paraguay tea were reported.



Reported by: WJ Meggs, MD, R Weisman, PharmD, RS Hoffman, MD, R Shih, MD,

SM Weimer, PhD, SM Fill, GJ Deannuntis, LR Goldfrank, MD, New York City

Poison Center; CK Hsu, MD, S Sabo, MD, P Leo, MD, D Shastry, MD, K Rubin,

MD, Elmhurst Hospital Medical Center, New York City; I Constantine, S

Somwaru, A Munshi, PhD, Bur for Environmental Investigation, New York State

Dept of Health. District Office, and Regional Laboratory, Food and Drug

Administration, New York City. Health Studies Br, Div of Environmental

Hazards and Health Effects, National Center for Environmental Health, CDC.



Editorial Note: Paraguay tea is made from the leaves of I. paraguariensis,

a 20-foot-tall holly tree indigenous to Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay.

Common names for the plant include mate, yerba mate, and South American

holly. The leaves contain caffeine, theophylline, and a nontoxic volatile

oil but do not contain belladonna alkaloids.

   The dominant clinical features of the cases described in this report

(i.e., tachycardia, fever, dilated pupils, and flushed skin) are

characteristic of the anticholinergic effects associated with poisoning by

belladonna alkaloids (1). In addition, patients responded to physostigmine,

the treatment of choice for anticholinergic poisoning. The most likely

explanation for the cases in this report is contamination of the Paraguay

tea with leaves from a plant containing belladonna alkaloids. Previous

reports of inadvertent anticholinergic poisoning resulting from

contamination of foods with plants containing belladonna alkaloids have

included consumption of hamburger seasoned with seeds from Angels' trumpet

(Brugmansia X candida) (2) and consumption of contaminated honey (3),

Chinese herbs (4), or porridge (5).

   This report underscores the need for persons who use herbal products

to report any adverse reactions immediately to health authorities. In 1993,

a total of 959 incidents of anticholinergic poisoning associated with

consumption of plants containing belladonna alkaloids were reported to

poison-control centers in the United States (6); 15 persons had symptoms

requiring hospitalization. Because a large number of plants throughout the

United States contain belladonna alkaloids, plants harvested for human

consumption must be correctly identified. The public should be aware that

all herbal products have the potential to be misidentified when collected,

mislabeled, contaminated, or adulterated. Physicians and the public should

report adverse reactions to herbal products to FDA's MedWatch Program,

telephone (800) 332-1088 ([301] 738-7553).



References

1. Gowdy JM. Stramonium intoxication: review of symptomatology in 212

cases. JAMA 1972; 221:585-7.

2. CDC. Datura poisoning from hamburger--Canada. MMWR 1984;33:282-3.

3. Marciniak J, Sikorski M. Intoxication with alkaloids of Datura

stramonium and Datura inoxia following honey ingestion [Polish]. Pol Tyg

Lek 1972;27:1002-3.

4. Yang MJ, Chen CC. Herbally induced anticholinergic intoxication: a

report of three cases [Chinese]. Kao Hsiung I Hsueh Ko Hsueh Tsa Chih

1987;3:133-6.

5. Rwiza HT. Jimson weed food poisoning: an epidemic at Usangi rural

government hospital. Trop Geogr Med 1991;43:85-90.

6. Litovitz TL, Clark LR, Soloway RA. 1993 Annual report of the Association

of Poison Control Centers Toxic Exposure Surveillance System. Am J Emerg

Med 1994;12:546-85.

Dr.Tony Helman

helmant@ozemail.com.au



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Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo

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On Tue, 28 Mar 1995, George Struk wrote:



> I'm trying so sprout an avacodo pit with no luck. Soaked it in water for

> a week, put it in wet soil, no dice. Any suggestions?

>



Try putting the seed in a cup with water, but have it so that the

seed is in the water have way in.  To accomplish this you might try holding

it up with three tooth picks and just let it stand this should do the trick.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 28 Mar 1995 07:03:00 -0800

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From:         Beth Cuculich <Beth.Cuculich@NCAL.KAIPERM.ORG>

Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo

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In-Reply-To:  The letter of Tuesday, 28 March 1995 6:06am PT



My aunt has a 30 year old avocado tree that she started from a seed.  She put

it in water half way (supported by toothpicks) until it sprouted roots.  Then

put it in potting soil until it had a chance to get used to soil and THEN put

it outside in the ground.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Kevin Parker <kevin.parker@ADMIN.OX.AC.UK>

Organization: University of Oxford

Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo



Greetings Folks,



> My aunt has a 30 year old avocado tree that she started from a seed.  She put

> it in water half way (supported by toothpicks) until it sprouted roots.  Then

> put it in potting soil until it had a chance to get used to soil and THEN put

> it outside in the ground.



One of my dreams is to have my very own heavily guarded avocado

orchard. The best I have managed so far is about 2.5 feet high. Can

any one tell me wether it is at all possible to grow fruiting

avocados in Britain without highly specialised and expensive

equipment.



Yours in anticipation,

Kev.





==========================================================

kevin.parker@admin.OX.AC.UK

==========================================================



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From:         "Carl Strohmenger (HSC)" <cstrohme@COM1.MED.USF.EDU>

Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo

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> On Tue, 28 Mar 1995, George Struk wrote:

>

> > I'm trying so sprout an avacodo pit with no luck. Soaked it in water for

> > a week, put it in wet soil, no dice. Any suggestions?

> >



I have had a lot of success in sprouting avocado seeds. It is important

to wash off all of the soft fleshy material and also peel away the dark

skin covering the light colored hemispheres of the seed. The seed will

sprout much more dependably if this dark skin is removed. You can soak

the seed in water to let the skin soften and then peel it away over

several days. Just be sure not to break apart the two halves of the seed

when you are trying to peel off the dark skin. The seed will sprout in

water (I justlet it sit almost covered with water in an open dish) Change

the water daily. Tap water is OK. As soon as you see the root start to

grow out of the cleft between the two halves of the seed, it is time to

transfer the seed into a pot with a good well draining growing soil mix.

You can also put the cleaned seed directly into a growing soil mix. It

will sprout in the pot. Use a 1 gallon or larger pot and fill it to

within 1/2 inch of the rim. When the roots start to grow out of the drain

holes in the bottom of the pot, it is time to tranfer the plant into the

ground or into a much larger pot (3 gallon or larger).



Once in a pot, put it outside in full sun to partial shade and be sure to

water daily. This is where the well-draining soil mix comes in. You don't

want the seed/roots to rot from too much water, but you need to water

daily so that it doesn't dry out.



This method has been very dependable for me. Good luck.



- Carl



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From:         Frank - Germany <komb@HP9001.RZ.FH-PFORZHEIM.DE>

Subject:      Intercostal neuralgia

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What do you advise in case of intercostal neuralgia?

Because of narrowing of the spinal column affections of

nerves occur, causing intense pain between the rips

and on the chest. The pains are radiating into the chest

(thorax). Can you give a piece of advice how to get relief?



My Enlish may be not perfect, since my mother tongue is

German. I apologize. Thank you.

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From:         Darcy Nagle <NAGLEDL@SNYALFVA.CC.ALFREDTECH.EDU>

Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo

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A few more questions about sprouting an avocado seed ( I have tried the

seed supported in glass of water with toothpicks, but with no

successes)-- which end of the seed goes into the water, the "pointed

end" or the flattish end, and should one use a seed from a fresh

avocado, or dry the seed before placing in water?

Thanks



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From:         Paul Stewart <stewart@BUD.PEINET.PE.CA>

Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo

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On Tue, 28 Mar 1995, George Struk wrote:



> I'm trying so sprout an avacodo pit with no luck. Soaked it in water for

> a week, put it in wet soil, no dice. Any suggestions?

>

I find that not all pits sprout (my luck is about 50%), either because

they are too green or too rotten.  Also, most I've sprouted take closer

to a month than a week, so don't give up on it yet. Make sure it's in the

warm (30 C) and dark, and watch for mould growth which will inhibit

sprouting. Change the water occasionally and wipe the pit if it gets

slimy or fuzzy. I also recently shortened the time to about two weeks

by using a rooting hormone (IBA). Your local nursery sells rooting

powder. Dissolve a tiny amount in a tablespoon of warm water with a drop

of alcohol added (stuff is hard to dissolve) and add a single drop to the

pit water. Too much and you'll get a huge root with many branches but a

delayed or absent sprout. Once it sprouts invert a bag over the seedling

as it dries out and loses leaves very fast. Good luck.



ABIOGEN c/o Paul Stewart

RR #2 Vernon Bridge

Prince Edward Island

CANADA   C0A 2E0

<stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca>



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From:         "Fran E. Rich" <frich@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo

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On Tue, 28 Mar 1995, Kevin Parker wrote:



> One of my dreams is to have my very own heavily guarded avocado

> orchard. The best I have managed so far is about 2.5 feet high. Can

> any one tell me wether it is at all possible to grow fruiting

> avocados in Britain without highly specialised and expensive

> equipment.



Someone more knowledgeable will probably reply but my thought would be to

forget it. They will grow but won't fruit here in San Antonio, TX, which

is almost sub-tropical. 'Minds be of the time some 20 years ago down in

Mexico shopping in a little store that had an inside patio with a

gigantic avocado tree and there were what seemed liked hundreds of them

rotting on the ground around it. As I recall, I cried.



Fran



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            <komb@HP9001.RZ.FH-PFORZHEIM.DE>



Gunther, I have tried to contact you concerning using the hydrogen Peroxide

for osteoarthritis?  I was unable to send a message directly to you.  Have

you found out whether Hydrogen Peroxide works on arthritis?  thanks



Shirley Thompson      User Service Center      Boise State University

                  Dusthomp@Idbsu.Idbsu.Edu                            du

Here's to it and to it again, if you don't do it, when you get to it,

you may never get to it to do it again. . .



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Tue, 28 Mar 1995 00:22:08 +0800

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From:         Alethea Raspa <alethea@COUGAR.MULTILINE.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: herbal ointment preparation

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Hi,



Lanolin here in Australia gets to be very expensive and I have an SO that

is reactive to it, so I use Sorbolene Cream with 10% glycerin. It can be

used as a soap substitute for people who have nasty reactions to ordinary

soap and/or laundry powders.



I have also made healing ointments with it for other people and it seems to

work just fine. It can also be diluted to form a lighter solution with

distilled water and used as an inexpensive moisturiser after using SPF15+

suncream (very necessary in the drying Australian sun).



Hope that helps



Regards,

      Alethea



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

                     alethea@cougar.multiline.com.au

                         Perth, Western Australia



                             Hallo, Sunshine!



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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo

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On Tue, 28 Mar 1995, Beth Cuculich wrote:



> My aunt has a 30 year old avocado tree that she started from a seed.  She put

> it in water half way (supported by toothpicks) until it sprouted roots.  Then

> put it in potting soil until it had a chance to get used to soil and THEN put

> it outside in the ground.



Beth, what is really amazing is that she remembers how she did it 30

years ago <g>



Jack vL



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From:         Ann Torrez <atorrez@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo

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Just keep trying.....those dern things take forever....just about when

you think you will give up.....up they come.....change the water

regularly though so you don't grow critters :)



On Tue, 28 Mar 1995, George Struk wrote:



> I'm trying so sprout an avacodo pit with no luck. Soaked it in water for

> a week, put it in wet soil, no dice. Any suggestions?

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Wed, 29 Mar 1995 01:29:04 -0500

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      avocado redux

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%95032818415503@VM.EGE.EDU.TR> from "Beth Cuculich" at Mar

            28, 95 07:03:00 am



Wow, so many avocado afficianados. Thanks all for the info



BUT



Which end goes down, the pointy end?



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From:         Kay and Pete Hanson <kidkaos@USLINK.NET>

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>

>What do you mean by "processed"?

>

>

(inregards to pine seeds)

Jack, sorry I don't remember much more about it.  When I was in 3rd grade

(a long time ago :)) we visited a state nursery here in Minnesota.  They

buy pinecones from 'pickers' in late summer and then process the pinecones

for seed.  Heat causes them to open, they put them into a huge round wire

cilidar and it rolls while it heats.  they do this for hours so the cones will

open.

The seeds are (I'm trying to remember this from way back:)) then

"processed'  They coated them with a fertilizer.  I think they may also take

off the wings.

I know that some pines are real tempermental about sprouting anyway, and also

have some pine seeds may have to be froze.  Some take a LONG time to sprout

period.  I'll see what other information I can find for you next time I visit

our local forestry department this week.

                                            Kay



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From:         "Luigi Mussi (SADD - PS2/RISC Project)" <lmussi@VNET.IBM.COM>



Subject : Muscle testing for food allergy (applied kinesiology)



Ciao to everyone in HERB list.



Would anyone know where I can find the phils test for foods,

because is very difficult find them in Italy.



THANKS in advance for the cooperation.



Saluti dall' Italia

Ciao

Luigi



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From:         Puanani DeLara <puanani@MICF.NIST.GOV>

Subject:      Re: avocado redux



>Wow, so many avocado afficianados. Thanks all for the info

>

>BUT

>

>Which end goes down, the pointy end?





>The pointy end goes up.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo

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In-Reply-To:  The letter of Wednesday, 29 March 1995 1:00am PT



She may have a 30 year old tree but she's not senile yet! :)



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From:         Jonathan McDonagh <MCDONAGH@MIDD.CC.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>

Subject:      eleutherococcus glycerite



hi,

      does anyone know what this herb is good for:

      eleutherococcus glycerite?



                                              thanks

                                              jonathan McD.



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From:         "Valerie E. Harrison" <NEWT@DCSMSERVER.MED.SCAROLINA.EDU>

Organization: School of Medicine

Subject:      Hypoglycemia

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Hello all!



I was wondering if anybody knew of any herbs that can be taken to

treat hypoglycemia.  A friend is suffering and has been on chromium

for a while with good results, but it has suddenly stopped working

and she needs another option.



If anyone could impart some herbal wisdom my way, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks! :)



Valerie



*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)

NEWT@med.scarolina.edu

(But I got better.......)

(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*



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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo

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Stick 3 or fou+r toothpicks around the middle of the avacado and suspend

the avacado pit in a cup wiht water in it so that the fat end is

in the water. It will start to sprout. It takes a while though. Keep water

in the cup to cover the end of the Pit. (Oh yes you can eat the avacado

first, just use the pit)



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Try a poultice of Scullcap. Use 1 ounce of Scullcap, over which is poured

1 pint of boiling water. cover till cold, strain and dose=1 wineglassful

every hour or two (drink). A suggested linement is made of equal parts

tincture of Prickly Ash and Tincture of Cayenne (Capsicum).



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From:         Karen Tzilkowski <KKT2@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: PERELANDRA

In-Reply-To:  callowa3 AT PILOT.MSU.EDU -- Fri, 17 Mar 1995 22:57:04 -0500



Dear Chere,



Thanks for replying to my request for an address and phone number for

Perelandra.  Yours was the only response I received.  I have forwarded

the information to our Herbal Companions club secretary; hopefully we'll

be able to visit the site. Karen



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 1995 07:20:55 +0100

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From:         Kevin Heffernan <kheffern@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: eleutherococcus glycerite



this sounds like a glycerine tincture of siberian ginseng, usefull

historically for all things Ginseng is. it is not a true Panax ginseng ,and

it has a *milder*  action than the Panax species. does this sound good to

you? ciao,SYLETT



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Eleutherococcus senticosus is Siberian ginseng, good for stamina,

convalescence, etc. Eleutherococcus glycerite sounds like a

compound containing Siberian ginseng and glycerine. Just a guess.



Rick



>hi,

>        does anyone know what this herb is good for:

>        eleutherococcus glycerite?

>

>                                                thanks

>                                                jonathan McD.

>



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From:         David Grogan <dgrogan@VERA.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Hypoglycemia

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On Wed, 29 Mar 1995, Valerie E. Harrison wrote:



> Hello all!

>

> I was wondering if anybody knew of any herbs that can be taken to

> treat hypoglycemia.  A friend is suffering and has been on chromium

> for a while with good results, but it has suddenly stopped working

> and she needs another option.

>

> If anyone could impart some herbal wisdom my way, I'd appreciate it.

> Thanks! :)

>

> Valerie



>

Hello Valerie,

I too have hypoglycemia- here's some herbal remedies to pass along to

your friend: In Tea form- Dandelion/licorice, Juniper,Yarrow Flowers.

Also there is this company called Crystal Star that puts out capsules

called Sugar Strategy Low and tea with the same name. When I lived in

Boston I could find them, but stores in NYC don't seem to carry the

brand. Also, food info she may already know: Avoid sugar and refined

carbos, even natural sugars and alcohol should not be eaten until her

sugar levels normal out. Eat small amounts of dairy foods and fatty foods

and no caffeine or red meat. Eat only boring foods like vegetables, whole

grains(no white bread), soy foods, brown rice and lots of yogurt (good

for balancing the flora in your intestines...mmmmm...) I also add

Brewer's Yeast to my yogurt. Also, if she's on Birth Control Pills, some

of them really wigged me out. Now that I've stopped taking them (and 7

months pregnant) and followed the boring food regime, which one learns to

make interesting, I've noticed I don't get sugar crashes and that antsy

feeling. Health food stores are a pretty good source of info for

hypoglycemia, it very wide spread- in fact it can mimic depression. Well,

anyways, good luck to your friend.-- Emily Grogan



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Valerie,



First of all, although "hypoglycemia" is quite common and benign,

it may indicate a more serious condition. I'd make sure your friend

checks it out with a qualified doctor.



Here's what I use to treat my occasional bouts of hypoglycemia:



turmeric powder - 2 parts

kudzu (pueraria) powder - 2 parts

licorice powder - 1 part



1/2 to 1 teaspoon with 1/2 cup warm water -- or even better, milk --

at the first sign of low blood sugar.



Please note that licorice is contraindicated for those with a

tendency toward high blood pressure and/or edema.



Rick Scott



>Hello all!

>

>I was wondering if anybody knew of any herbs that can be taken to

>treat hypoglycemia.  A friend is suffering and has been on chromium

>for a while with good results, but it has suddenly stopped working

>and she needs another option.

>

>If anyone could impart some herbal wisdom my way, I'd appreciate it.

>Thanks! :)

>

>Valerie

>

>*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)

>NEWT@med.scarolina.edu

>(But I got better.......)

>(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:49:40 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: eleutherococcus glycerite

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE



Perhaps you mean Eleutherococcus Sentiocosus. This is Siberian Ginseng

ycerite" to have similar properties to oriental Ginseng. "gli

"glycerite" does  not sound like a botanical name, more like a chemical

estract name orsomething.  Eleutherococcus is not a true ginseng but

is used as a substitute.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:00:15 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Hypoglycemia

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@VM.GMD.DE



I have kept my hypoglycemia in control for over 20 years with diet. I take

a Chromium supplement and chelated multiple vitamins. I eat no refined

sugar and avoid highly processed foods and simple carbohydrates. I used to

eat lots of protein but found it to be constipating. So my diet is

composed of maily complex carbohydrates and vegetables and some meat.

Your friend might also look into Kombucha, which I have found seems to

balance my blood sugar. Have her eat several small meals a day instead

of just 3. Don't ever skip breakfast. If juice is consumed immediately

upon rising, eat some whole wheat bread or hot cereal like cracked wheat.

Juice is a quickly absorbed sugar and should never be drank alone. Read

labels and watch for hidden sugars. Your friend will find she feels better

quickly just avoiding sugar. For her it isPOISON. I would be happy to

corespond privately if you need more information.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 1995 20:10:24 MESZ

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Frank - Germany <komb@HP9001.RZ.FH-PFORZHEIM.DE>

Subject:      What is scullcap and Prickly Ash?

In-Reply-To:  <01HOPC7L6T7QHSLMPH@ua.acad1.alaska.edu>; from "Anita F Hales" at

            Mar 29, 95 9:33 am



>

> Try a poultice of Scullcap. Use 1 ounce of Scullcap, over which is poured

> 1 pint of boiling water. cover till cold, strain and dose=1 wineglassful

> every hour or two (drink). A suggested linement is made of equal parts

> tincture of Prickly Ash and Tincture of Cayenne (Capsicum).

>

Anita, I will try your advice. Thank you very much.

But alas, there is a problem. I do not find the German

names for SCULLCAP and PRICKLY ASH in my dictionary.

Do you know (or someone else from this list)

the German or even better the Latin names for

these plants?



Thank you very much for your help.

God bless you,

Gunther

****************************************************************************

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*  Fax (01149) 7231-485046 (24 hours a day)   -  Book "Kombucha - Healthy  *

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:22:22 AST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "J. GRAHAM" <G92091@COX.NSAC.NS.CA>



Help!!! I have been trying for several days to get off this list. I

will be leaving in two days.....Does anyone have a solution?????



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 1995 13:38:58 MST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Stephen Campbell @ Nmhu" <campbell_s@MERLIN.NMHU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: What is scullcap and Prickly Ash?

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



skullcap is scutellaria spp.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:46:24 EDT

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Valerie E. Harrison" <NEWT@DCSMSERVER.MED.SCAROLINA.EDU>

Organization: School of Medicine

Subject:      Re: Hypoglycemia

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Thank you so much for the great responses!  I've forwarded them all

on to my friend, and they look like they'll help a lot.  We both

found the dietary suggestions and drug connections very interesting

as well as the herbal remedies.



Thanks again! :)



Valerie



*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)

NEWT@med.scarolina.edu

(But I got better.......)

(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 1995 17:52:39 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Cheryl Calloway <callowa3@PILOT.MSU.EDU>

Subject:      psc

Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@vm.gmd.de



Hi --



Does anyone have suggestions for someone suffering from primary scerlosing

cholangitis?



Thanks.



Chere Calloway [callowa3@pilot.msu.edu]



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 1995 20:40:19 +0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Thomas Nelson <thomn@BEV.NET>

Subject:      Re: What is scullcap and Prickly Ash?

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@VTBIT.CC.VT.EDU>



>>

>> Try a poultice of Scullcap. Use 1 ounce of Scullcap, over which is poured

>> 1 pint of boiling water. cover till cold, strain and dose=1 wineglassful

>> every hour or two (drink). A suggested linement is made of equal parts

>> tincture of Prickly Ash and Tincture of Cayenne (Capsicum).

>>

>Anita, I will try your advice. Thank you very much.

>But alas, there is a problem. I do not find the German

>names for SCULLCAP and PRICKLY ASH in my dictionary.

>Do you know (or someone else from this list)

>the German or even better the Latin names for

>these plants?

>

Scullcap -- Scutellaria lateriflora

Prickly Ash -- Zanthoxylum americanum

Thom Nelson          *The Plant Plant*      >> Specializing in Herbs

thomn@bev.net        *Christiansburg, VA*   >> and Perennials



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 31 Mar 1995 06:07:10 +0200

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Ed Space <EDAINE@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: sprouting avacodo

In-Reply-To:  Message of Tue, 28 Mar 1995 02:06:02 -0500 from

            <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>



hello, In reply to avocado sprouting I have heard that some do not sprout.  If

it doesn't sprout after a bit you might want to try another.  I have a nice li

ttle tree and it would be worth the trouble.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 31 Mar 1995 01:35:36 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      non-hyper ginseng

In-Reply-To:  <01HOQOXOILYYHSMA5E@ua.acad1.alaska.edu> from "Anita F Hales" at

            Mar 30, 95 08:49:40 am



I've tried ginseng (panax I think) in the past but found it made me hyper

and nervous even on small doses. I've heard there are milder forms or

maybe other herbs would be preferable for a mild energy boost.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Thu, 30 Mar 1995 23:46:24 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Paul Bergner <bergner@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: non-hyper ginseng

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de

In-Reply-To:  <199503310635.AA20490@dorsai.dorsai.org> from "George Struk" at

            Mar 31, 95 01:35:36 am



>

> I've tried ginseng (panax I think) in the past but found it made me hyper

> and nervous even on small doses. I've heard there are milder forms or

> maybe other herbs would be preferable for a mild energy boost.

>



Try Siberian ginseng -- Eleutherococcus senticosus. It's not really a

"ginseng" in the sense that it is not a Panax species, but it is an

adaptogen. Or try American ginseng -- Panax quinquefolium. It is milder.

Above all, don't mix tonic herbs such as these with stimulants such as

caffeine. An infamous clinical study described a "ginseng abuse syndrome"

but on examination of the data, only those people who mixed ginseng with

caffeine had it. that doens't mean that you can take ginseng with

impunity. It's mainly for people who are weak and run down, not for

overamped types who want some more "juice".







   Paul Bergner

   Editor, MEDICAL HERBALISM

   bergner@teleport.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 31 Mar 1995 01:10:50 -0700

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         "Michael J. Smith" <msmith@OLDCOLO.COM>

Subject:      relief from muscle spasms

Comments: To: herb%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Hi, I'm new on the HERB listserve, but I've learned some helpful things

already.  You are all full of great information.I'm just a novice at all

this.  Does anyone have a sugestion for a good and reliable reference

book for a beginer.



Also, I am suffering from nerve pain from my lower back down my left leg

after a painful epidural. This causes the muscles of my lower back to

spasm painfully.  I live with it during the day, but at night they get so

intense that they often wake me up or keep me from going to sleep

altogether.  The MD I am seeing has given me several different muscle

relaxors to try to help me sleep, but they make me groggy all day.  Does

anyone have any suggestions that can relax my muscles at night but not

give me a "hang-over" the next day.



Thanks--Candice Smith

(e-mail address: msmith@oldcolo.com)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 31 Mar 1995 05:51:32 PST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Erin Farquhar <elf@CARMEL.COM>

Subject:      Re: What is scullcap and Prickly Ash?

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Do you have a mail-order catalog? If so, please email.

Thanks.



--Erin Farquhar     Voice: 408-625-0978    Fax: 408-625-4082



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:06:32 -0600

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Angel Ledesma <jledesma@SPIN.COM.MX>

Subject:      New WEB, Human Nutrition Page, from Mexico City

Comments: To: DIABETES%IRLEARN.bitnet@HEARN.nic.SURFnet.nl,

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        iwetel@euskom.spritel.es, MEDLIB-L@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU,

        LISTSERV%ASUACAD.bitnet@HEARN.nic.SURFnet.nl,

        NUTEPI@TUBVM.CS.TU-BERLIN.DE, SLA-FAN@UKCC.UKY.EDU



An interesting new WWW site that brings together many Human Nutrition

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jledesma@spin.com.mx

voice & fax: (5) 684-6851

A.P. 86-252

M=E9xico D.F., 14391

MEXICO

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:12:54 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Cheryl Calloway <callowa3@PILOT.MSU.EDU>

Subject:      psc

Comments: To: herb%trearn.bitnet@vm.gmd.de



Several weeks ago I attempted to post a message asking if anyone had any herbal

suggestions for dealing with primary scerlosing cholangitis. To date, I have

received no response - not even a question or statement saying no one has

ideas.



In case this got lost, or something, I'm trying again. Please feel free to

respond to me directly.



Thanks.



Chere Calloway [callowa3@pilot.msu.edu]



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 31 Mar 1995 14:20:27 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         Rick Scott <ricks@VIVANET.COM>

Subject:      Black/green tea

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Fellow cyberherbophiles,



I've read so many conflicting reports on the benefit/harm of drinking

black/green tea.



* The caffeine in tea is about 50% that of coffee, so it's not nearly as bad

as coffee.

* Even this much caffeine, however, can overstimulate/drain the adrenals.

* The caffeine in tea is water-soluble, therefore is purged more quickly

than coffee's.

* Black/green tea is full of bioflavonoids, which we all know are good

(don't we?).

* Black/green tea is full of tannin.

- Tannin is good (say some).

- Tannin is poison (say others).



My question: Does 1 (occasionally 2) cups of strong black/green tea every

day do more harm

than good? My (possibly) negative symptoms: rare hyperstimulation,

occasional slightly irregular

heartbeat (which pretty much disappears when I stop the tea). My positive

symptoms: the utter

joy of a good cup of tea!



I'd appreciate all of your comments/expertise.



Thanks!



Rick Scott



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Date:         Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:26:00 PST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

Sender:       Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@TREARN.BITNET>

From:         vic hlushak <vhlushak@AWINC.COM>

Subject:      Re: psc

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

        <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>



>Several weeks ago I attempted to post a message asking if anyone had any herbal

>suggestions for dealing with primary scerlosing cholangitis. To date, I have

>received no response - not even a question or statement saying no one has

>ideas.

>

>In case this got lost, or something, I'm trying again. Please feel free to

>respond to me directly.

>

>Thanks.

>

>Chere Calloway [callowa3@pilot.msu.edu]





I recall seeing the msg. but as I don't even know what that is I thought I'd

leave it to a expert..



Sorry, hope someone else can help



vic

Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada



