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Date:         Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:52:11 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Tincture question St Johns Wort



>I have gathered some St Johns Wort with the intention of making

>a tincture of it.  The herb book that I have says that the `aerial'

>portions are used.  Does this mean the flowers, leaves AND stem

>are to be used?  I would appreciate someones helpful response!

>

>-Dave Varga

>dvarga@capaccess.org



dave,





from a previous herblist post of mine:



snip



And when you hold the leaves of the hypericum perforatum the the light

of the sky you will see little holes...actually compartments

(perforations)....that trap and use the energy of the sun to run a biochemical

factory......making hypericin....the red colored constituent assumed to be one

of the active ones. Squueeezze that unopened flower bud...just a hint of yellow

petals peaking so cautiously from its sepal safety...sqqqueeeezze and you will

delight to find a drop of redness so strong as to dye the fingers.



Now when I teach my students about this Wort...we general use flower buds

and the stems and small leaves attached to them to prepare oils and tinctures.

This appears to work just fine, producing extracts of wond'rous redfulness.

But those who wish for an herbal nectar of delight of greater

strength...they sit

for hours collecting just flower petals in some zen like quest. Well....what

good's an herbalist without patience :) ......Certainly they are rewarded with

extract of unequaled value (not found in Cheapside).



snip



Howie



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 30 Jun 1995 18:55:24 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Potatoes



On June 29 David Coomler wrote: >

So why do not the residents of the Andes, who have potatoes as the chief

item of their diet, suffer all these ailments?  This sounds like

Japanese macrobiotic theory to me, which, whatever its virtues, has

always had a large amount of pseudo-science mixed in.  Do you have

supporting evidence?



Roy Collins replies:  Please try to remember that in my post I said that in

moderation potatoes are o.k. Also remember that in the same post I mentioned

that people with healthier constitutions can fare better from

potatoes than people with weak constitutions.



The potato plant is a native to the Peruvian Andes.  Accordingly, The Incas

(native inhabitants) of this  semi-arid, tropical climate (very yang) found

novel ways to cook the very yin tubers to create balance in their diets--which

also included corn, rice, barley, quinoa, manioc, beans and other very balanced

staples.  The potatoes of the ancient world (pre-17th century) were much

smaller than the expanded  tubers of the modern day. Yet even then it took the

ancients several days to roast, boil, and pulverize the tubers to a point that

they deemed to be edible. These

cooking methods (very yang) rendered the yin, poisonous principle (solanine)

harmless.



So, as I have frequently stated in past posts, nature is always making

balance with plants and the environment--and when the people from a specific

environment consume what naturally grows there, balance is

inparted to the individual--sometimes a little cooking, drying, addition of

salt, etc. may be needed.



Of all the plant families, the nightshades produce the most poisonous drugs.

The complex belladonna drug is used in shock treatment, with the

side effect of extreme dialation of the eyes.  Scopolamine is a tranquilizer,

and hyoscamine works like atropine. Jimson weed has hallucinogenic properties

and has caused the death of numerous people (my

great grandfather boiled the seeds with meat to kill rats)  Capsicum (a

pepper) is used is a stomach irritant even in small doses, and of course

nicotine poisoning and cancer is directly tied to cigarette tobacco.



The toxic chemicals in potatoes are called glycoalkaloids--which increase in

potency when bruised, subjected to bright light, extreme temperature

changes or simply by standing too long on the shelf. According to Nell Mondy

(Ph.d/Cornell U.) these potent chemicals produce symptoms of

headache, cramps and diarhhea, when eaten in large amounts (see The University

of California , Berkeley Wellness Letter May '93 p.2 v.9)



You may also want to read *Nightshades and Health (ed. Nroman Frankin--

Horticultural Publications,Somerset Press) for more on the toxicology

of solanaceae, especially in regards to arthritis.



Although I am anot a card-carrying follower (or full believer) in the Japanese

Macrobiotic food tradition, it is my understanding that its originator Sagan

Ishizuka (sp.?) based much of his foundation theories on the elements of

potassium and sodium which are polar opposites on the chemical scale, and that

all foods were classified acccording to how much of each of these elements are

in each food.  Sodium (Na) and potassium (K) were later termed Yang and Yin

(respectively) and spectoscopic (color radiation) confirms this theory.   In

fact, one of Ishhizuk'a followers

(George Ohsawa) went blind in an inturnment camp in Japan during WW

II, after being fed ona diet of potatoes!  I was told by a relaiable source

(Irma Paule--former director of the NY Macrobiotic Center) that he cured

his own blindness by eliminating potatoes and adopting a strict

grain/vegetable diet.



David, if this information does not satisfy you, I can only apologize for

not being that scientific-minded about my research methods. Most of

the stuff I know is not from books but from discussions with like-minded

people and upon my own observations of the natural world.  If I can

dig up more recent data on potatoes I will either post it here on e-mail

it to you privately. Let me know which you would prefer. In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 30 Jun 1995 19:11:01 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Essential Oils

 

On June 29, Mickie Erickson wrote: >1.  How long should you boil the leaves?

2. Should the leaves ect be shredded or crushed before being placed into the

canner?

3. Should I keep a lid on the canner to keep the steam from escaping?



Roy Collins replies: 1) until the water at the bottom of the pot has turned to

goop and is nearly at the point of burning.

2) shread the aeiral parts--it will help the oils to disperse quicker, more

evenly.

3) The lid you use is placed UPSIDE DOWN on the pot, and that is not covered

because the ice would melt too fast and would warm the UPSIDE DOWN lid too

much--you want it cold (on top)



Good luck. In peace, Roy. PS IF if at first you don't succeed, try, try again.



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:44:16 -0700

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From:         David Coomler <davidco@NETHOST.MULTNOMAH.LIB.OR.US>

Subject:      Re: Potatoes

In-Reply-To:  <199506302255.AA29143@osfn.rhilinet.gov>



On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Roy Collins wrote:



>

> The potato plant is a native to the Peruvian Andes.  Accordingly, The Incas

> (native inhabitants) of this  semi-arid, tropical climate (very yang) found

> novel ways to cook the very yin tubers to create balance in their diets--which

> also included corn, rice, barley, quinoa, manioc, beans and other very balanced

> staples.

>

> David, if this information does not satisfy you, I can only apologize for

> not being that scientific-minded about my research methods. Most of

> the stuff I know is not from books but from discussions with like-minded

> people and upon my own observations of the natural world.  If I can

> dig up more recent data on potatoes I will either post it here on e-mail

> it to you privately. Let me know which you would prefer. In peace, Roy



Thanks for your response, Roy, and I am sure you will excuse me if I

remain skeptical.  Potatoes were used as a staple so high in the Andes

that they were kept "freeze-dried" in a very chilly climate, which does

not seem "Yang" to me.



I think there are many reasons to question macrobiotics, not the

least of which is that it purports to be based on Chinese medical theory,

but disagrees often with the traditional Chinese view.  Many people, I

think, did themselves no good in the '60s when they followed the strict

Ohsawa macrobiotic diet that was prevalent then.  Sad though it is, the

wife of one of the major proponents of macrobiotics in this country is

said to have contracted cancer, in spite of her macrobiotic cookbooks and

her husband's theories.  There may be some benefit to be derived from

macrobiotics for some people. but I think it is very difficult to separate

the beneficial from the pseudoscientific and harmful.



Nonetheless I am certainly interested in any supporting evidence you may

be able to provide in the future, and thanks for so kindly answering my

question.



David



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 30 Jun 1995 19:00:06 -0700

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From:         "Dennis R. Hilton" <drh@DELTANET.COM>

Subject:      DMAE?



Please excuse me for getting a bit off topic, but I've seen people

here who know their stuff, and hope someone might enlighten me on

the subject of DMAE.  Feel free to respond by e-mail if you feel

it would be more appropriate.



I just saw a bottle of 100mg DMAE tablets in our local healthfood

store.  What are its benefits?  What are its metabolites?

What are its dangers?  I'd appreciate any informed responses.



Thanks!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:41:52 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: "Local" definition

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <ac1a1d6007021004bbb7@[140.251.2.202]> on 6/30/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: At 12:31 PM 6/30/95, Paul Iannone wrote:

:

: >You'll never see it from me. As I have stated, the locality theory utterly

: >fails to be demonstrated. East-Asian Traditional Healing ignores it as an

: >issue--it is a Macrobiotic concern strictly. You can harm your

: health as much >with a bowl of cherries as with a guava.

:

: Paul,

:

: Is it your position that humans should not eat fruits at all? If so,

: could you give a brief explanation, please. Thanks very much - - - Carolyn



No, it is my position that humans NEEDN'T eat fruit. The consumption of fruit

in the quantity current to medical thinking and convenience is only one

hundred years in the making. Access to fruit was never as broad as it is now.

At the same time, modern society places massive demands on the digestion (it

takes digestive energy to think and puzzle things out, and look how much of

that you do that you didn't do a hundred years ago). People simply don't have

good diets--most skip or delay meals, or eat them on the run. Under those

circumstances, it is important to foster Digestive Qi by eating a

predominately Warm diet, avoiding the consumption of fruit with meals, and

avoiding the daily consumption of fruit altogether--unless your lifestyle is

exemplary.



Most people do better if they only consume fruit as an occasional snack food.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:42:36 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

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Subject:      Re: "Local" definition

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199506301739.AA29456@osfn.rhilinet.gov> on 6/30/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: On June 30, Robert Lamons replied to a post by someone who wanted to

: clarify the term *local fruits*. Correctly, he said: > Local fruits

: usually means fruits that are grown in your local climate.  That

: would limit pinapple, kiwi, mango, etc.  Stick with apples, pears,

: cherries, peaches, etc.<

:

: Which also means if you live in hot, tropical climates you can eat

: the fruits that grow there also (but still in moderation.) The

: importation of all foods (including herbs) decreases one's natural

: ability to adapt to the climate they live in. The plants in one's

: own environment are perfectly balanced to endure the climate in that

: particular region. When one eats what is grown locally, the adaptive

: habits of the consumed plant is imparted to the person eating the foods.



Of course, it would be nice if this was borne out in practice, but in fact

the importation of foods has been one of the basic causes of the thriving of

the human race. Two (and three) season rice, a hybrid native to Vietnam, when

imported north to Southern China fostered what is now the world's largest

society. There are many such examples.



A second type of counter example is the banana. One would think that such an

excessively Yin fruit (following Roy's lingo) developed in the tropics, and

that is essentially correct. What theory does not predict is that the yellow

banana is 150 years old. Prior to that time the presumably rather more Yang

green banana or plantain was all the banana there was on the planet. Same

plant, same climate--two utterly different results. Is yellow more Yin than

green? Then what of yellow and green squash, which surely have the same

energetics?



On the nightshade issue--it is true that many Solanaceae are quite toxic, but

compared to the panoply of toxic plant substances, it is an exaggeration to

say that the 'most' toxic plants come from that family. Fabaceae, the bean

family, contains many, many toxic plants--the kidney bean and several others

that are commonly eaten, are highly toxic if uncooked. The mustard family,

including the Brassica cultivars (cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, etc.), are

all toxic if overconsumed. Is this because they are too Yin?



In East-Asian Traditional Healing, the concept is one of Yin/Yang, not a

substance named Yin. It is a continuum, not an objective view of substance.

All fruit are Yin, then, and some may be more Yang or Yin, but that doesn't

make a 'Yang' fruit particularly less Yin (if you follow). It makes it less

Yin compared to other fruits, perhaps. But not less Yin in terms of deranging

the Digestive Fire.

 

--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 02:45:03 -0400

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From:         Dave Harvey <warrior@INFINET.COM>

Subject:      Re: gout

In-Reply-To:  <Chameleon.4.01.2.940102024341.vicky@booklady.brutus.bright.net>



My father and I both get gout, I eat bing cherries and it goes away the

next day, try it.



Dave



PS, strawberries work too.







On Sun, 2 Jan 1994 booklady@BRUTUS.BRIGHT.NET wrote:



> My father has periods when he suffers from gout, and when he is suffering,

> it appears to be painful to all around him. We are wondering what he can do

> when one of these gout spells occurs. What should he avoid eating? We try

> to get him away from red meat and all kinds of sweets. He says that eating

> cherries help. Do they?  What do they have that he needs?

> Also we are wondering if he is having these spells because of his high

> blood pressure medicine. Is that possible? What should be take?

>

> Any help that you could provide would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

> -------------------------------------

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> Date:06/29/95

> Time: 07:30 PM

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:50:37 +0000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Mandragora/mandrake

Comments: To: Starlet8@aol.com



Dear Starlet here is alittle info. Send snail mail for more.

MichaelMandrake

A fascinating magic/medicinal/poisonous plant (mentioned  in Shakespeare's

love stories Othello,  Romeo & Juliet and Antony and Cleopatra

"mandragora").

"Give me to drink mandragora That I may sleep out this great gap of time my

Antony is away.

Again a herb renowned for its ability to promote fertility.

Go, and catch a falling star, Get with child a mandrake root, Tell me,

where all past years are

John Donne 1600

Mandrake has narcotic properties

Not poppy, nor mandragora, Nor all the drowsy syrups of the world, Shall

ever medicine thee to that sweet sleep Which thou owedest yesterday.

Othello

When the plant was ripped from the ground, it screamed, the sound sending

the harvester mad.

And shrieks like mandrakes' torn out of the earth, That living mortals,

hearing them run mad..

Shakespeare Romeo & Juliet 4:3

 Mandrake was therefore harvested by tying a dog to the herb. The dog

pulling at its leash harvested the Mandrake



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

                "Did you hear about the man who died of PMT?

                                       His wife shot him."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 05:37:34 EDT

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From:         "Robert L. Lamons" <rlamons@PEN.K12.VA.US>

Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI

In-Reply-To:  <326434814.1577946@pop.com>; from "Paul Iannone" at Jun 30,

              95 5:31 pm



> In message ID <21822.199506300833@lenzie.cent.gla.ac.uk> on 6/30/95,

> HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

> : >The fact remains that mass vaccination is a spotty program with unknown

> : >dangers to longterm health. If anything, it is a 'therapy' that should be

> : >restricted to those for virulent diseases that are 1) actual risks; 2)

> : >untreatable; 3) effectively vaccinatable.

4) WILLING TO GO THROUGH IT.  EMPAHSIS ON WILLING.



> There simply aren't studies examining what we

> holistic healers are concerned about: that vaccinations damage the underlying

> balances of the individual and give rise to a range of illnesses as much as

> decades later.

Try the book, A shot in the Dark by Harris Coulter.



> Don't buy the hype.

Well said!



*******************************************

I love learning, but I hate being taught! *

Bob Lamons-Annandale High School, Va.     *

rlamons@pen.k12.va.us                     *

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 05:42:48 EDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Robert L. Lamons" <rlamons@PEN.K12.VA.US>

Subject:      Re: "Local" definition

In-Reply-To:  <199506301739.AA29456@osfn.rhilinet.gov>; from "Roy Collins" at

              Jun 30, 95 1:39 pm



Additionally there is much evidence that local fruits "and

other produce" is important in developing antibodies,

resistance and allergies.  Honey from your very local area is

often said to build up resistance to certain allergies many

people suffer from.  Like wise with certain herbs.



According to Roy Collins:

>

> On June 30, Robert Lamons replied to a post by someone who wanted to clarify

> the term *local fruits*. Correctly, he said: >

> Local fruits usually means fruits that are grown in your local

> climate.  That would limit pinapple, kiwi, mango, etc.  Stick

> with apples, pears, cherries, peaches, etc.<

>

> Which also means if you live in hot, tropical climates you can eat the fruits

> that grow there also (but still in moderation.) The importation of all foods

> (including herbs) decreases one's natural ability to adapt to the climate

> they live in. The plants in one's own environment are perfectly balanced to

> endure the climate in that particular region. When one eats what is grown

> locally, the adaptive habits of the consumed plant is imparted to the person

> eating the foods. Ron Schmid, ND recently wrote a book titled *Native

> Nutrition* which goes into detail on the subject of optimum health of the

> people of traditional cultures that ate their own local food products. It

> is an interesting book with supporting medical evidence (mostly dental) with

> funny pictures of native peoples showing their teeth to the camera:-)

>

> --

> ************************

> I Ching author, herbalist

> & perennial student of life

> *****************************

>





--

*******************************************

I love learning, but I hate being taught! *

Bob Lamons-Annandale High School, Va.     *

rlamons@pen.k12.va.us                     *

*******************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 03:05:25 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: "Local" definition



>

>On the nightshade issue--it is true that many Solanaceae are quite toxic, but

>compared to the panoply of toxic plant substances, it is an exaggeration to

>say that the 'most' toxic plants come from that family. Fabaceae, the bean

>family, contains many, many toxic plants--the kidney bean and several others

>that are commonly eaten, are highly toxic if uncooked. The mustard family,

>including the Brassica cultivars (cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, etc.), are

>all toxic if overconsumed.



The "most toxic plant family" appears to be a personal choice. Certainly,

the Solanaceae (nightshade) is a good choice. Of course the Ranunculaceae -

buttercup - with aconite and larkspur seems good, but it lacks numerous

edibles to make it scary enough to be the number one family.



I'll cast a vote for Umbelliferaes (Carrot Family). Lots of food and

medicine....carrot, parsnip, anise, fennel, osha, angelica, parsley......and

alot of semi-edible if properly prepared species. And of course, poison

hemlock and water hemlock...very toxic and easily mistaken for edibles.



Actually, after a point it doesn't really matter which plants are the most

toxic, if your dead, your dead.



Howie



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:36:13 -0400

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From:         "Lee M. Williams..." <UtterGore@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Fwd: WWW source for Herbs / Information



In a message dated 95-07-01 09:24:00 EDT, Utter Gore writes:



<< I will be posting a searchable herb database called The Natural Remedy

Guide in the next couple of days...available as a help file and a Word 6

file.  So far it is about 40 pages of info...very complete, and still

growing.  Look for the Herb Base button at http://www.herbn.com.  Vegan

recipes and other dietary items will be coming online very soon...as soon I

finish converting them to HTML and adding some graphics.  Thanks for your

interest in Herb'n Outfitters, and feel free to use the online form for

asking an herbalists advice, purchasing product, or whatever comes to mind.

Herbn@pcnet.com >>





---------------------

Forwarded message:

Subj:    Re: WWW source for Herbs / Information

Date:    95-07-01 09:24:00 EDT

From:    Utter Gore

To:      thump.mo@ix.netcom.com



I will be posting a searchable herb database called The Natural Remedy Guide

in the next couple of days...available as a help file and a Word 6 file.  So

far it is about 40 pages of info...very complete, and still growing.  Look

for the Herb Base button at http://www.herbn.com.  Vegan recipes and other

dietary items will be coming online very soon...as soon I finish converting

them to HTML and adding some graphics.  Thanks for your interest in Herb'n

Outfitters, and feel free to use the online form for asking an herbalists

advice, purchasing product, or whatever comes to mind.

Herbn@pcnet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:47:35 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Lee M. Williams..." <UtterGore@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: WWW page questions...



Hello all,

Some of you have been posting questions to this newsgroup for me, and I have

been able to answer only with a several day delay.  I will answer and

continue to participate in this discussion group, err list, but if you need

an immediate response you should go to the online form at my Herb site,

http://www.herbn.com.  There is a dropdown list on my form that allows you to

ask an herbalists advice, ask about specific herbs, how to order, etc. use

this and I can most likely respond within a few hours.

Over the next couple of days I will post The Natural Remedy Guide in MShelp

and MSWord format...this is a searchable database of ailments, herbs, and

common family/Genus names.  Thanks for your questions, and let me know if we

can be of further assistance.

Lee

Herbn@pcnet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:57:04 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI



There are too many parents out there with well documented cases damaged

children for me to believe that mandatory vaccinations is a good thing for

America.  I know of several who have totally handicapped kids because of

their shots. Kids who have daily convulsions even on convulsions meds.  One

little girl is 27 and can't speak and not potty trained.   I personally have

played the organ for the funeral of two babies who died two days after their

6 month shots.  Thus I have not given my two sons any immunizations.  I would

rather run the risk of them catching something than me having them injected

with something.



It's a controversial subject I know.  But everyone should be exposed to all

the facets of alternative medicine, not just herbs.



Deb



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 09:57:04 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: gout



Do they have to be fresh cherries?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 10:05:57 -0400

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From:         "Brian B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Herbal Databases



I have located 4 herbal programs \databases available at wuarchive. They are:

Herbage1.zip

herbp21.zip

hph2.zip

medherb1.zip



These are all shareware and new for 1995. Herbage seems to have the most

info, tho the others have better GUI's.

I found these in a mirror at clarknet under MSDOS_UPLOADS.

 Does anyone know of any other herbal or nutritional databases available

for downloading?

                                Thanks,

                                Brian



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 08:02:57 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Philip Miller <bodywise@REDSHIFT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI



>In message ID <950629004825_80593309@aol.com> on 6/28/95,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>: It's very difficult for me to see something posted like this on a

>: "herbal" group.

>:

>: Sure, there's an inherent risk of vaccines, as there is in certain

>: food products, life, and OTC medications. But, the risks involved

>: with a vaccine are by far a lower risk than that associated with the

>: disease it's preventing. Only through the vaccine process have we

>: virtually eliminated smallpox in the world.

>

>The fact remains that mass vaccination is a spotty program with unknown

>dangers to longterm health. If anything, it is a 'therapy' that should be

>restricted to those for virulent diseases that are 1) actual risks; 2)

>untreatable; 3) effectively vaccinatable.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--

>

I am really fast tiring of this sophmoric and self-indulgent thinking.  This

one has been around the horn at least once with no enlightenment on either

side of the issue.  Let's leave this one to the Aussie homeopaths.



Dr. Philip Miller

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      Either freedom or security -- but you don't get both.



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:35:52 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <950701095702_82205350@aol.com> on 7/1/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: It's a controversial subject I know.  But everyone should be exposed

: to all the facets of alternative medicine, not just herbs.

:

: Deb



Focus is the issue. Is this really an appropriate longterm issue for this

mailgroup? If you really want to explore the issue, sign on to the

vaccination mailgroup. The volume of LONG extracts in that group alone would

swamp this already heavily trafficked --herb-- group.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:06:16 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: "Local" definition

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199507010942.FAA51763@pen2.pen.k12.va.us> on 7/1/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Additionally there is much evidence that local fruits "and

: other produce" is important in developing antibodies,

: resistance and allergies.  Honey from your very local area is

: often said to build up resistance to certain allergies many

: people suffer from.  Like wise with certain herbs.



Really. Comparing fruit and honey is rather specious. Honey is made from

pollen, an allergen. Fruit is made from ripened ovaries. The non-breeders out

there might consider themselves immunized, but hardly from eating fruit.

There is no botannical basis for this comparison.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:52:09 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI



In a message dated 95-07-01 11:14:30 EDT, you write:



> It's a controversial subject I know.  But everyone should be exposed

>: to all the facets of alternative medicine, not just herbs.

>:



Was this even posted.  I did not receive it.  There are many posts that I

have made that I have never seen posted.  Do you not send posts to the

author?  Or do you screen posts and only allow those you approve of to reach

the group?



Deb



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 12:53:00 -0400

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From:         Dave Harvey <warrior@INFINET.COM>

Subject:      Re: gout

In-Reply-To:  <950701095702_82205354@aol.com>



I have used cherry juice when the cherries were out of season, but fresh

is best.  Gout be gone!



Regards,

Dave



On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Deb Phillips wrote:



> Do they have to be fresh cherries?

>



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:47:03 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "s.i. sussman" <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI

In-Reply-To:  <950701095702_82205350@aol.com>



Dear Deb,

        I think you are playing with fire.I think vaccinations are modern

miracles. Think about getting them vacinated. SS









On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Deb Phillips wrote:



> There are too many parents out there with well documented cases damaged

> children for me to believe that mandatory vaccinations is a good thing for

> America.  I know of several who have totally handicapped kids because of

> their shots. Kids who have daily convulsions even on convulsions meds.  One

> little girl is 27 and can't speak and not potty trained.   I personally have

> played the organ for the funeral of two babies who died two days after their

> 6 month shots.  Thus I have not given my two sons any immunizations.  I would

> rather run the risk of them catching something than me having them injected

> with something.

>

> It's a controversial subject I know.  But everyone should be exposed to all

> the facets of alternative medicine, not just herbs.

>

> Deb

>



Dr. Sam Sussman,

Director Social Services,           or    Dr.Sam Sussman,

London Psychiatric Hospital,              1300 Military Street,

850 Highbury Avenue,London,Ontario        P.O.Box 61-2212,

Canada,N6A4H1                             Port Huron,Michigan,U.S.A.

Ast.Professor of Psychiatry,              48061-2212

University of Western Ontario.

Tel:519-455-5110-Fax:519-455-4709



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:53:58 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Potatoes



On June 30, David Coomler wrote: >I think there are many reasons to question

macrobiotics, not the least of which is that it purports to be based on Chinese

medical theory, but disagrees often with the traditional Chinese view.<



Rou Collins replies: Yes, I agree that the current (Boston-based) practice of

macrobiotic theory, as well as the whole lot of of alternative healing

therapies/lifestyles have certain flaws.  I also do not believe that

macrobiotic philosophy purports to be exclusively derived from Chinese

mdical theory (as you suggested) but rather is the synthesis of some of the

ancient worlds's more impostant healing arts. These include

The ancient Greek *Law of Contraries* and *Law of Entantiodromia* (polar

reversal) as well as the Swiss/German *Doctrine of Signatures*, the ancient

European herbal tradition of using environmental plants (also used by the

Japanese herbalist Ekken Kaibara 1630-1716, as well as the East Indian

Ayurvedics, as well as Chinese Taoists (Yin/Yang)  and more

ancient Chinese Pantheist (I-Ching) concepts, and even some scientific

ideas (evolution, ph factors, chemistry.)



While I personally find TCM to be contrived, complex and exclusive, I feel

that macrobiotics is more readily adapable and understandable to

Westerners. I also concur with herbalist David Hofmann in the belief that

many local plants can be found with the same or similar chemistry as

foreign plants.  And because of that I find very little use for Chinese

herbals.



Now, back to potatoes...err, I think I'll pass on that, 'nuff said already--

Peru does have a very diverse climate...eat potatoes if you like--just don't

o.d. on them or you'll start looking like Mr. Potato Head! :-)



BTW: If you were referring to Harvard professor Michio Kushi's wife 's cancer,

I cannot really comment. I have never met her and do not know her

personal dietary habits. What one writes (her cookbooks) and what one

lives, are two different things.  Mr. Kushi, however should be commended on

helping numerous people (much documented by M.D.'s) to recover from cancer by

following his macrobiotic teaching.  He is, however, not the only

disciple of George Ohsawa, and I have found the California-based macrobiotic

movement to be a great deal more lenient in theirinterpretation  of the

principles and practice of macrobiotics.  In every

case modification is needed in order to suit each individual.  There is

some overhaul needed here.



Now I have a question for you...In both of your posts you used the term

*pseudo-scientific* regarding the application of macrobiotic philosophy

(and Chinese?) I take this to mean not scientific enough (as in abstract

and analytical) I see the application of Yin/Yang dialectics more as an

*art* as it assumes a great deal of visual observation based on the inherent

energy qualities of things.  What exactly do you mean by the term

pseudo-science?  In peace, Roy.



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 14:04:14 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI



In a message dated 95-07-01 13:50:09 EDT, you write:



>Dear Deb,

>        I think you are playing with fire.I think vaccinations are modern

>miracles. Think about getting them vacinated. SS

>

>

>



Thanks for your concern, but I have thought about it many years.  My friend's

son's convulsion was 18 years ago.  I have researched this thoroughly.  It is

definitely a firm decision for me.  Playing with fire is better than jumping.

   deb



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 13:20:50 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: "Local" definition

In-Reply-To:  <1181020157.6038314@pop.com>



On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Paul Iannone wrote:



> Really. Comparing fruit and honey is rather specious. Honey is made from

> pollen, an allergen. Fruit is made from ripened ovaries. The non-breeders out

> there might consider themselves immunized, but hardly from eating fruit.

> There is no botannical basis for this comparison.

>

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



Although honey might have some small amounts of pollen in it, it's

definitely not made of the stuff.  It is actually nectar (the weak sugary

nutrient solution produced by flowers) that has been concentrated to make

a syrup by evaporating the water.



I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the same proteins that make

their way into nectar (and so into honey) were also proteins which are

incorporated into the fruit.  In both cases, the plant is making an

effort to feed animals.



Peter L. Schuerman                                  plschuerman@ucdavis.edu

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 23:45:49 +0200

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Daniel Wong <Daniel.Wong@PING.BE>

Subject:      Re: Chronic diarrhea



>In message ID <199506282013.WAA29683@ping1.ping.be> on 6/28/95,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>: >Put her on warm foods ONLY. You are weakening her digestion with these

>: >regimes.

>: >

>: >--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>: >--

>: Why? are warm foods more constipating? Does it have to do with

>: enzymes or bringing circulation to the digestive system? Dan Wong

>

>Warm foods support the Digestive Fire. It is a simple and obvious effect. It

>has nothing to do with the foolishness being promoted by many of 'enzymes.'

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--

Would that also mean that cold foods are indicated for chronic constipation?

Dan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:06:24 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI



On the vaccination thread I'd like to add my 2 cents:



I hold the stong belief that modern, scientific medicine is aimed at complying

with the medical needs of the multitude of citizens whose health and lifestyle

are at a severe disadvantage (due to the demands and destructive trends of

modern society, itself.)





To vaccinate or not to vaccinate one's own child should entail a great amount

of thinking on just how healthy the child is. For the modern masses I would

definately go with vaccination, as their chances of developing Diptheria,

Tetanus, or Pertussis are far greater than a neuclear family who have built

(or improved) their health by adopting a natural lifestyle and have proven to

be resistant to most pathogens.



Another thing to consider is that most states in America have laws that force

the parents to vaccinate their children before they are allowed to enter

public schools. So, is it home schooling, a Court battle, or conformity?



I think that *Deb* has probably looked at all of these angles. If not, now is

the time. The chances of your child developing a serious problem (or dying)

from immunization are as remote as winning the lottery. A tough call--Two

of my children were vaccinated, and two were not. They are all just doing

fine ('cept I'm ready for a vacation, alone :-)) In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:17:46 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: "Local" definition

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <Pine.SOL.3.91.950701131341.11233A-100000@bullwinkle> on 7/1/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Paul Iannone wrote:

:

: > Really. Comparing fruit and honey is rather specious. Honey is made from

: > pollen, an allergen. Fruit is made from ripened ovaries. The

: non-breeders out > there might consider themselves immunized, but

: hardly from eating fruit. > There is no botannical basis for this

: comparison. >

: > --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

:

: Although honey might have some small amounts of pollen in it, it's

: definitely not made of the stuff.  It is actually nectar (the weak

: sugary nutrient solution produced by flowers) that has been

: concentrated to make a syrup by evaporating the water.

:

: I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the same proteins that make

: their way into nectar (and so into honey) were also proteins which

: are incorporated into the fruit.  In both cases, the plant is making

: an effort to feed animals.

:

: Peter L. Schuerman



Yes, of course honey is not 'made from' pollen, that was a mistatement, but

honey is far more likely to have pollen FROM ALLERGENS mixed into it, from

various flowering herbs, than fruit, from fruit trees. For one thing, most

'local' fruit is still cultivated in orchards last I checked, and orchards

are usually pretty much kept weed free.



I am aware of nectaries and the method of collection by bees (by mouth). But

to compare the anti-allergen effect of local honey, which I am neither

claiming or denying, to that of local fruit seems to me to be rather

unjustifiable.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:18:16 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Potatoes

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199507011753.AA02693@osfn.rhilinet.gov> on 7/1/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Rou Collins replies: Yes, I agree that the current (Boston-based)

: practice of macrobiotic theory, as well as the whole lot of oflternative

healing therapies/lifestyles have certain flaws.  I also

: do not believe that macrobiotic philosophy purports to be

: exclusively derived from Chinese mdical theory (as you suggested)

: but rather is the synthesis of some of the ancient worlds's more

: impostant healing arts. These include The ancient Greek *Law of

: Contraries*



Law of contraries? Not different from Yin/Yang theory.



:  and *Law of Entantiodromia* (polar reversal)



Not different from Yin/Yang theory.



: as well as

: the Swiss/German *Doctrine of Signatures*



Doctrine of Signatures--present in all herbal cultures, certainly present

natively in East-Asia.



: , the ancient European

: herbal tradition of using environmental plants (also used by the

: Japanese herbalist Ekken Kaibara 1630-1716,



Who was schooled in East-Asian Traditional Healing, and combined the Japanese

folk herbalism with what he learned (it CERTAINLY had NOTHING to do with

Europe in that era).



: as well as the East

: Indian Ayurvedics



Certainly not directly. Where is the evidence that Osawa studied Ayurveda?



: , as well as Chinese Taoists (Yin/Yang)



Not different from Yin/Yang theory. Duh.



:   and more

: ancient Chinese Pantheist (I-Ching) concepts



Pantheist? What crap. There is NO concept of god in the Yi Jing, much less a

pantheon.



: , and even some

: scientific ideas (evolution, ph factors, chemistry.)



Yes, a melange of early 20th century "folk-scientism."



In fact, Macrobiotics is 99% East-Asian Traditional Healing, modified by

Japanese folk beliefs and 20th century folk-scientism. The suggestion of the

involvement of other traditions is lame.



: While I personally find TCM to be contrived, complex and exclusive,

: I feel that macrobiotics is more readily adaptable and understandable

: to Westerners.



The issue is whether a particular concept is valid and accurate, not whether

it is understandable or adaptable.



: I also concur with herbalist David Hofmann in the

: belief that many local plants can be found with the same or similar

: chemistry as foreign plants.



You mean, plants with additional potassium? Of course, some local plants can

replace foreign plants. But I would love for you to find a replacement for

ginseng in the local desert. If people there have weak Qi, I guess they have

to eat kangaroo rat and hope it works.



: And because of that I find very little

: use for Chinese herbals.



Because you don't understand that the keystone of East-Asian Traditional

Healing herbalism is FORMULA HERBALISM. It is not the herbals by themselves

that count, nor certainly is it the location from which those herbals were

drawn.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 23:16:23 +0000

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From:         jonathan treasure <jtreasure@JONNO.DEMON.CO.UK>

Subject:      Hypericum tincture



>I have gathered some St Johns Wort with the intention of making

>a tincture of it.  The herb book that I have says that the `aerial'

>portions are used.  Does this mean the flowers, leaves AND stem

>are to be used?  I would appreciate someones helpful response!

>

>-Dave Varga

>dvarga@capaccess.org



To make a tincture use flowering aerial herb - stems are fine. To make St

John's Wort oil

(macerated) use only the flowers. Hypericum needs fast and careful drying.



jonathan treasure



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 23:46:04 +0200

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Daniel Wong <Daniel.Wong@PING.BE>

Subject:      fasting



 Hi everybody: Has anybody ever tried fasting to give their digestive system

a break? I 'd like to hear some thoughts on that. I mean, animals don't eat

when they are sick, unless they are like my dogs, who seem to eat some grass

so they can throw up what they couldn't digest?

Dan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:20:00 -0400

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From:         "LIST Roni L. Evilla" <CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI



In a message dated 95-07-01 18:12:26 EDT, you write:



>most states in America have laws that force

>the parents to vaccinate their children before they are allowed to

>enter

>public schools. So, is it home schooling, a Court battle, or

>conformity?

>

>I think that *Deb* has probably looked at all of these angles. If

>not, now is

>the time. The chances of your child developing a serious problem (or

>dying)

>from immunization are as remote as winning the lottery. A tough

>call--Two



I agree with much of the content of the post from which this peice came.

 Most people do live unhealthy lifestyles and are therefore more prone to

disease. But the highlighted statements raise big issues in my mind.



Is this not "the land of the free and the home of the brave"?



Do we actually live in a time when the state  is  "forcing" parents to allow

their young babies to be injected with known deadly infections? Perhaps the

states money would be better spent on improving lifestyles and educating

people on how to take care of themselves.



In addition to those laws alluded to , you should know that  all states allow

exemptions on a variety of grounds including religion, medical history,

alergies, and philisophical. Besides that...where there is a will there is a

way.



As to the lottery comparison, I have never hit the lottery niether has anyone

I know however my daughter experienced convultions and anaphylactic shock as

well as long term problems following the DPT vaccinne I also know many people

who have experienced reactions ranging from a few days of miserable crying

spells to permanent paralysis and brain damage with a variety of vaccinnes.

 In my experience the "small risk" justification just does not hold water.



Is it a healthy thing to inject a known infectiouse agent into a young childs

body?  Is it fair for parents to expose their children to the risks as there

children are not yet able to decide for themselves? The child is a

person...what about his right to informed consent. Have you considered the

overall effect on the delicate immune system  this bombardment might have?

  Have you considered that during outbreaks of diseases for which

vaccinations are given it is the very people who are vaccinated that tend to

contract the disease and have the most severe cases?  What about the

possibilty of much more resistent strains of disease are likely to devlope

when the current strain is unable to thrive? What about the illness children

are exposed to when you take them into a clinic to have their shots?  What

about the other diseases that your child may contract while in a weakened

immune state from his shots?  What about the increased incedence of SIDS post

vaccination? This questioning could go on and on and on.



If you (general you not aimed at the writer of the above piece) chose to

vaccinate your child that is your choice.  I feel that all parents should

really study the issue from both sides..play devils advocate in both

directions.  GET THE FACTS and then decide. And that decision and the

responsibility to live with the consequences rides on you.  But as I feel is

true in all subjects don't dogmatically condemn the choices of another who

mayor may not  be more informed than you.  You each have to live with your

own decisions.



Someone has as their signature line:



 "Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition

              from Mediocre Minds."     by Albert Einstein





AIN"T IT THE TRUTH!?!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 2 Jul 1995 00:46:40 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Chronic diarrhea

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199507012145.XAA25764@ping1.ping.be> on 7/1/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >Warm foods support the Digestive Fire. It is a simple and obvious

: > effect. It has nothing to do with the foolishness being promoted by

: > many of 'enzymes.'

: >--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

: >--

: Would that also mean that cold foods are indicated for chronic

: constipation? Dan



Nope. But Cooling, Damp foods like fruit will relieve constipation due to

Heat or Dryness.



Cold foods can CAUSE constipation due to weakening the digestion (this

constipation will usually be followed by loose stools, though). Hot and Cold

aren't the only factors in health. It is more complicated than that, but that

lifestyle guide remains true.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:39:24 -0600

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From:         Michael Adams <micadam@BENTLEY.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU>

Subject:      Re: "Local" definition



>honey is far more likely to have pollen FROM ALLERGENS mixed into it, from

>various flowering herbs, than fruit, from fruit trees.



Edgar Cayce recommended that a person chew honeycomb obtained from a local

bee keeper to help desensitize against hay fever-type allergies.



He also recommended that everyone eat as much produce produced from the

local area as possible. He mentioned that it had to do with the quality of

the water and soil, the minerals and nutrients and such.





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Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 19:39:28 -0600

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Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI



>Do we actually live in a time when the state  is  "forcing" parents to allow

>their young babies to be injected with known deadly infections? Perhaps the

>states money would be better spent on improving lifestyles and educating

>people on how to take care of themselves.



I believe I read recently that Japan's child mortality rate is way below

ours. The only thing they do differently, with regard to vaccination, is to

START vaccinations at 2 years of age instead of 6 months as we do.



I should clarify this. Japanese child mortality was approximately the same

as ours some twenty years ago. Since then it has dropped to a small

fraction of ours, and what theirs was. The only difference is the change in

age at first vaccination.





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micadams@mail.UnivNorthCo.edu



I shot an arrow into the air; it fell to earth I know not where;

I heard a neighbor cuss and swear. I think it landed over there.

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From:         Guenther Frank <frank@KOMBUCHA.PF.BAWUE.DE>

Subject:      Re: SLUG SLIME as a folk remedy in German language (long,12k)

Comments: cc: Daniel.Wong@ping.be



## Originalempfaenger: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

## Originalempfaenger: Daniel.Wong@ping.be



Date: 01 Jul 95  --> It is 23:40 o'clock in Germany



Hello Daniel,

On 28 Jun 95 at 22:13 o'clock you wrote concerning "Re: SLUG SLIME as a folk remedy":



> Gunther: I would like that slug juice recipe.

 

I have searched in my library and found some texts about SLUGS and the

recipe for making the SLUG SYRUP. I am sorry I have the texts only in the

German language. Perhaps anyone of the list would be so kind to translate

it into English. I am doubtful whether it is good to send this text to all

Herb list members but I think it is in accordance with your views.

Gunther



The following text is  from A. Vogel "Die Natur als biologischer

Wegweiser" Verlag A. Vogel Teufen, Switzerland, 1983,

pages 671 to 676:



Schneckenschaden



Erst bei einem andauernden Regen werden wir gewahr, wieviel

Schnecken unser Garten eigentlich beherbergt. Dann scheinen sie

sich richtig wohl zu fuehlen und verlassen ihre Schlupfwinkel.

Gemaechlich finden sie ueber unsere Gartenwege die Richtung zu

den Setzlingen und Jungpflanzen, um sich daran guetlich zu tun.

Besonders auf Salatsetzlinge haben sie es abgesehen, und wie oft

man diese auch nachsetzen mag, immer wieder fallen sie der

Gefraessigkeit dieser Schaedlinge zum Opfer. Wie soll man da noch

fuer sich selbst einen ansehnlichen Salatkopf ernten koennen?



Am besten ist wohl, sich ihrer auf irgendeine ungiftige Weise zu

entledigen, weil sich Gift nun einmal nicht fuer den biologischen

Gartenbau eignet. Wir wuerden sonst gleichzeitig damit das Dasein

anderer Gartenbewohner bedrohen, wenn diese die vergifteten

Schnecken verzehren. Dies koennte das Leben der Froesche,

Eidechsen, Salamander, Blindschleichen und der Igel gefaehrden.

Da sie uns durch das Vertilgen von Schaedlingen nuetzliche Helfer

sind, moechten wir sie in unserem Garten lieber heimisch bleiben

lassen.



Das Streuen von Holzasche wird empfohlen, um gegen die

Schnecken vorzugehen zu koennen, weil diese Tiere nicht gern ueber

die Asche kriechen. Aber nach jedem ausgiebigen Regen muessen

wir das Streuen wiederholen, da die Asche weggeschwemmt wird.

Je laenger das Regenwetter anhaelt, um so reichlicher vermehren

sich die Schnecken. Wir koennten kaum genuegend Asche beschaffen,

obwohl diese gleichzeitig ein guter Mineralduenger waere. Statt

Asche koennte man auch Algenkalk streuen, doch wuerde auch

dieser durch den Regen Einbussen erleiden.



Frueher hatte man eingesammelte Schnecken einfach mit

kochendem Wasser ueberbrueht. Wenn man sicher sein konnte, dass

die Schnecken nicht vergiftet worden war n, weder durch uns

noch durch die Nachbarschaft, dann konnte man diese Schnecken

auch als Grundlage zur Zubereitung eines Schneckensirups verwenden.

Durch eine gute Beobachtung kann man auch zu einer

hilfreichen Abwehr gelangen. Ein Bekannter, der seinen Garten

biologisch pflegt, konnte durch Zufall einmal feststellen, dass eine

umgefallene Bierflasche zum Anziehungspunkt der Schnecken in

seinem Garten wurde. Sie versammelten sich dort und taten sich

an dem ausgelaufenen Bier guetlich. Das brachte ihn auf den

Gedanken,  diese  Vorliebe  entsprechend  auszunuetzen.  Er

beschaffte sich leere Plastikbehaelter und setzte diese bodeneben in

die Erde ein. Dann fuellte er diese Behaelter zur Haelfte mit Bier.

Am anderen Morgen waren die Schnecken im Bier ertrunken. Der

Garten wurde auf diese Weise von der Schneckenplage befreit.



Andere nuetzliche Kleintiere, welche mithelfen, die Schnecken zu

vernichten, wurden dadurch nicht gefaehrdet. Dieser Ausweg

koennte uns also auch behilflich sein, um die Schnecken loszuwerden.

Ein Versuch wuerde sich lohnen.



Es gibt Gartenbesitzer, die sich zeitweise von einem nachbarlichen

Bauernhof Gaense oder Enten ausleihen, damit diese gruendlich

mit den Schnecken aufraeumen. Auch Igel koennen eine

bescheidene Hilfe sein.



Wer auswaerts, womoeglich inmitten von Wiesenland einen

groesseren Garten zu versorgen hat, kann sich rings um diesen herum

mit einem Schneckenzaun behelfen. Auf diese Weise wird er sich

von aussen her vor einer stetigen Invasion schuetzen koennen.

Sobald er die Schnecken innerhalb des Zaunes vernichtet hat, wird

der Garten von der Plage ziemlich befreit sein. Da die Schnecken

allerdings einen erstaunlichen Instinkt besitzen, muss man zur

Sicherheit trotzdem noch darueber wachen, denn sie scheinen von

weither schon zu merken, wo etwas Gutes fuer sie zu finden ist.



Schneckenverwertung



Es ist eigentlich ein Widerspruch, wenn man Schnecken, welche

man als Schaedlinge fuer den Garten kennt, gleichzeitig als nuetzlich

bezeichnet. Um diesen Widerspruch aufzuklaeren, ist es noetig,

darauf hinzuweisen, dass im Schleim der Schnecken Enzvme und

andere Vitalstoffe enthalten sind. Diese vermoegen kranke Magen-

und Darmschleimhaeute zu heilen, selbst dann, wenn andere Mittel

bereits versagten. Eine solche Heilung erfolgt ohne Risiko. Bei

Darmtuberkulose und sogar bei verdaechtigen Geschwueren konnte

eine voellige Ausheilung erreicht und festgestellt werden, wenn sich

die Kranken nicht scheuten, den Schneckensirup konsequent

anzuwenden. Bei einem besonders schwierigen Fall entschloss sich

ein Patient in seiner Not sogar, lebende Schnecken zu schlucken.

Die Aerzte hatten ihn aufgegeben und raeumten ihm nur noch eine

kurze Lebensdauer ein. Trotz aller bedenklichen Prognosen zum

Trotze wurde er jedoch wieder gesund.



Im Buch Der kleine Doktor+ kann man lesen, dass der

Schneckensirup bei Schwierigkeiten auf bakterieller Grundlage, wie

Geschwueren, Magen- und Lungenleiden schon gute

Dienste geleistet hat. Das Rezept zur Herstellung wollen wir hier

wiederholen.



Roter Schneckensirup



Seine Zubereitung ist ganz einfach. Die bekannten roten

Waldschnecken legt man schichtweise in ein Glas. Darueber folgt eine

Schicht Zucker, dann wieder eine Schicht Schnecken und abwechselnd

eine Schicht Zucker. Die Menge des Zuckers darf das

Gewicht der Schnecken nicht unterschreiten, sondern etwas ueberschreiten.

Der Zucker, am besten ist der Rohrohrzucker, loest die

Schnecken nahezu auf. Man laesst das Ganze bis zum zweiten Tag

stehen und gibt es dann durch ein Sieb. Der langsam durchlaufende

Sirup wird mit 30 Prozent Alkohol versehen und ist so

haltbar und gebrauchsfaehig. Die Rueckstaende im Sieb wirft man

weg. Von diesem Sirup, der aehnlich ist wie ein Likoer, nimmt man

morgens nuechtern einen Essloeffel voll ein. In schweren Faellen kann

ein Likoerglaeschen voll eingenommen werden. Der Erfolg ist derart

auffallend, dass selbst Arzte nach der Einnahme dieses Mittels vor

einem Raetsel standen. - Andere Befuerworter dieses Sirups empfehlen

ihn auch gegen Keuchhusten, gegen Bronchitis und

Krampfhusten. Auf diese Weise kann man schleimloesende,

schmerzlindernde Stoffe zu Heilzwecken risikolos verwenden,

wobei uns selbst Gartenschaedlinge noch besonders nuetzlich sein

koennen.



Schneckensirup



Ein Bericht ueber die Hilfsmoeglichkeiten des Schneckensirups soll

hier fuer sich selbst stehen: Im Besitze Ihres Gesundheitsbuches

"Der kleine Doktor", das ich sehr schaetze, las ich auch den Artikel

ueber roten Schneckensirup. Da ich an einer chronischen Bronchitis

leide, nahm ich mir vor, diesen Sirup zuzubereiten. Nun nehme

ich ihn schon sieben Wochen und zu meinem Erstaunen sind

Kopfbeschwerden, die ich schon 15 Jahre hatte und von einer

Kieferhoehleneiterung herruehren, die inzwischen eine chronische

Entzuendung der Stirn- und Kieferhoehle verursachte, schon sehr

gebessert, so dass ich den Eindruck bekam, dass dieses Mittel noch

mehr hilft, als Sie selbst angaben. Inzwischen habe ich auch drei

Krankenschwestern sowie vier Kranken in der naeheren Bekanntschaft

diesen Sirup zubereitet. Eine Freundin, die schon seit zehn

Jahren ein krebsartiges Halsleiden hat, kann jetzt nach sechs

schon eine Besserung feststellen.



Nun moechte ich bei Ihnen noch anfragen, wie lange man den

Schneckensirup aufbewahren kann, und ob zwei Liter Sirup, die

fuer einen Kranken ungefaehr vier Monate ausreichen, zur Heilung

genuegen?



Unsere Antwort darauf: Will man den Sirup laengere Zeit

aufbewahren, dann muss man statt der 30 Prozent Alkohol, wie im

Rezept, angegeben, 50 Prozent verwenden. Wenn nach vier Monaten

noch keine voellige Heilung erzielt werden konnte, ist es besser,

man faehrt mit der Einnahme des Mittels noch fort, bis der Erfolg

gefestigt ist. Nach dem Rezept, das Der kleine Doktor+ bekanntgibt,

ist die Zubereitung des Sirups nicht schwierig. Der Gedanke,

dass es sich dabei um rote Schnecken handelt, mag vielleicht

Empfindliche abschrecken, jedoch waren die Erfolgsberichte

immer sehr zufriedenstellend. Vielleicht laesst die Aussicht auf

Heilung die Abneigung ueberbruecken.



Die Feststellung der Patienten, dass sich das Mittel noch

anderweitig als angegeben nuetzlich zu erweisen vermag, ist keineswegs

abwegig, denn so, wie chemische Mittel Nebenwirkungen ausloesen,

so sind auch Naturmittel imstande, verschiedene Aufgaben zu

loesen, nur mit dem Unterschied, dass sie dabei keinen Schaden

anrichten, sondern vielmehr alles Schadhafte, das in ihrer Moeglichkeit

liegt, positiv zu veraendern und damit zu heilen beginnen.



Weinbergschnecken



Bekanntlich sind die Weinbergschnecken in bestimmten Gegenden

geschuetzt. Weil sie zumeist in den Weinbergen zu finden sind,

haben sie diesen ihren Namen zu verdanken. Entdecken Bergkinder

bei einem Aufenthalt im Tiefland diese Schnecken,. sind sie

darob ausser sich vor Freude, denn in der Regel sind sie ihnen

unbekannt. Ein Kriechtier, welches sein eigenes Haus mit sich

herumtraegt, um sich darin zu verbergen, wenn Gefahr droht, mit

seinen Fuehlern aber auskundschaften kann, ob die Lage sicher ist

oder nicht, ist fuer Kinderaugen und Kinderherzen etwas Wunderbares.

Selbst fuer Erwachsene ist es immer wieder etwas Schoenes.



Zwar gibt es noch viele Menschen, die nur einen Leckerbissen in

ihnen sehen und damit die Gefahr der Ausrottung heraufbeschwoeren.

Die Weinbergschnecken sind nicht so gefraessig wie die

Nacktschnecken, sondern leisten uns gute Dienste, da sie deren Eier und

sogar die Nachkommen, solange sie klein sind, vertilgen. Aus

diesem Grunde kann man sie auch als biologisches Vertilgungsimittel

bezeichnen. Man sollte ihnen deshalb nicht nach dem Leben

trachten und die Geniesser sollten sich beherrschen, damit sie

geschont werden koennen. Lasst man sie im Garten gewaehren, so

werden durch ihre Wirksamkeit die Nacktschnecken eher abnehmen.

Es ist doch sicher interessant, erfahren zu koennen, wie

einfach das Naturgeschehen gewisse Probleme zu loesen und

auszugleichen in der Lage ist. Das Natuerliche hat in der Natur seinen

Platz und seinen Sinn.



The following text is from A. Vogel :"Der kleine Doktor"

Verlag A. Vogel, Teufen, Switzerland,

pages 599 to 600:



ROTER SCHNECKENSIRUP



In ganz schweren Faellen, wenn nichts anderes mehr helfen will,

wirkt oft noch ein, wenn auch wenig sympathisches Mittel, der

Schneckensirup. Die wenigsten werden darob entzueckt sein, doch

hat dieser Sirup schon bei Schwierigkeiten mit bakterieller Grundlage,

bei Geschwueren, Magengeschwueren und Lungenleiden gute

Dienste geleistet.



            *How to make the slug syrup - the recipe*



Seine Zubereitung ist einfach. Man legt die roten Waldschnecken

schichtweise in ein Glas. Darueber kommt eine Schicht Zucker,

dann wieder abwechselnd eine Schicht Schnecken mit Zucker darueber.

Die Menge des Zuckers muss im Minimum das Gewicht der

Schnecken ausmachen, darf dieses also eher noch ueberschreiten.

Der Zucker loest die Schnecken nahezu auf. Am zweiten Tag wird

das Ganze durch ein Sieb gelassen. Der langsam durchlaufende

Sirup wird mit 30 Prozent Alkohol versehen und ist so gebrauchsfertig.

Die Rueckstaende im Sieb werden weggeworfen. Von diesem Sirup,

der aehnlich wird wie ein Likoer, nimmt man morgens nuechtern

einen Essloeffel voll ein, in schweren Faellen ein

Likoerglaeschen voll. Der Erfolg ist so frappant, dass selbst Arzte

nach Einnahme dieses Mittels vor einem Raetsel standen.



Wenn auch die Zubereitung und das Drum und Dran nicht

ideal ist, so wird dies eben im Notfall uebersehen werden. Besonders

Bauern greifen gerne zu solch einem Mittel, denn sie sind

weniger empfindlich. Bei einem jungen Landwirt, der Magengeschwuere

hatte und Blut spuckte, wollte weder die medizinische

noch die natuerliche Heilmethode mehr fruchten. Dieses einfache,

wenn auch vielleicht abstossende Mittel vermochte ihm zu helfen,

so dass er heute wieder stark und kraeftig sein Heimwesen erneut

bewirtschaflen kann.



Ein anderer war von den Aerzten wegen einer schweren

Lungengeschichte aufgegeben worden. Der Schneckensirup hat ihn

wieder auf die Beine gestellt. Viele andere erfolgreiche Faelle zeigen,

dass es in der Not besser ist, einen solch unangenehmen, aber

hilfreichen Weg zu beschreiten, als sich der Hoffnungslosigkeit

hinzugeben.



Wer nicht weiss, woraus dieser Sirup besteht, kann ihn sehr

gut einnehmen, denn er ist keineswegs schlecht im Geschmack.



Auch ein alter Bronchialkatarrh, der nicht mehr bessern will,

kann durch das Mittel erfolgreich behandelt werden.

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 1 Jul 1995 23:05:14 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "LIST Roni L. Evilla" <CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI



In a message dated 95-07-01 21:41:00 EDT, you write:



>START vaccinations at 2 years of age instead of 6 months as we do.

>

>



The positive results there make some sense. By age 2 the immune system should

be stronger in any child.  Even so that does not mean that it is healthy to

give those children vaccinnes at all.



Side note though, vaccinations in this country are NOT  started at 6 months.

They are routinely started  one hour after birth with a Hib vaccine followed

by polio at the pediatric visit at 8 weeks.  Trying to get out of the

hospital without that first vaccine can be difficult.  I have seen a number

of parents literally harrassed either into it or out the door if they refuse.

  Many so called practitioners (myself included)  suggest delaying the first

vac for at least 6 months and extended (extended by mainstream standards)

 breastfeeding for parents who chose to vaccinate.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 2 Jul 1995 00:07:49 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: "Local" definition



My ex-husband took allergy shots from the time he was two years old until I

got him to taking a tablespoon of "local" honey every day.  He really had

severe allergies.  It was truly amazing how well the honey worked for him.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 2 Jul 1995 00:40:51 -0400

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From:         "Brian B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Passion Flower MAO Inhibitor



I read in "Herbage" by Tim Johnson that the herb Passion flower contains

a short acting MAO inhibitor. Does anyone else have such a reference in

their herbal guides?

What foods should you avoid when taking a MAO inhibitor?

Acording to the text, the active ingredient is Harmala alkaloid.

                                Thanks

                                Brian



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 2 Jul 1995 06:41:54 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Philip Miller <bodywise@REDSHIFT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Vaccine Legislative Action Alert - MI



>In message ID <950629004825_80593309@aol.com> on 6/28/95,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>: It's very difficult for me to see something posted like this on a

>: "herbal" group.

>:

>: Sure, there's an inherent risk of vaccines, as there is in certain

>: food products, life, and OTC medications. But, the risks involved

>: with a vaccine are by far a lower risk than that associated with the

>: disease it's preventing. Only through the vaccine process have we

>: virtually eliminated smallpox in the world.

>

>The fact remains that mass vaccination is a spotty program with unknown

>dangers to longterm health. If anything, it is a 'therapy' that should be

>restricted to those for virulent diseases that are 1) actual risks; 2)

>untreatable; 3) effectively vaccinatable.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--

>

I am really fast tiring of this sophmoric and self-indulgent thinking.  This

one has been around the horn at least once with no enlightenment on either

side of the issue.  Let's leave this one to the Aussie homeopaths.  This

whole group has become hostage to this "fringe" issue without any strong

voice proprounding the issue of public safety and modern preventive

medicine.  A lot like prayer in schools -- a non-issue except to the

rightist zealots.



Dr. Philip Miller

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 10:48:39 +1200

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From:         Emma Ramsay <emma.ramsay@STONEBOW.OTAGO.AC.NZ>

Subject:      wheat allergy



Hi Everyone,

        I have been on this list for about three weeks now and throughly

enjoy getting the information. And like most others am writing with a

problem I would like some help with. My partner has always had chronic

sinisitis problems. Recently he was diagnosed as having a wheat allergy. A

herbalist here in Dunedin New Zealand suggested he try a wheat free diet

for about four weeks to see if it helped. The diet certainly has made a

difference after only about a week but the problem is food. What can he eat

besides rice,potatoes and wheat free pastas. He loves sandwiches and hates

rice cakes and needs a lunch to take to work each day. He is also a road

cyclist who trains every day and so needs a good diet to ensure

performance. We have tried a rice bread but it tastes really awful. Has any

body got any recipies (for bread or anything else) or suggestions that

might help us. Thanks very much.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 2 Jul 1995 18:56:06 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: wheat allergy



I can sypathize with your eating problems.  My son was born with a milk and

wheat allergy.  The wheat left after not very long at all thank goodness.

 While I was nursing him I could consume no dairy nor wheat.  I ate corn

tortillas and rice cakes.  He really grew up not liking sandwiches or

breakfast foods.  Have you checked out any oat bread recipes?  Corn bread,

corn tortillas and rice cakes--get boring after a short while.

Good luck.

Deb Phillips

Midwife



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:44:40 +0300

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From:         Peter Forster <pforster@ASTROL.CH>

Subject:      Re: Sergio Corriero Tea Tree Oil



Dear Sergio,

"Tea tree oil (Aeth. Melaleuca alternifolia) is very effective to combat

pathogene microorganisms as bacteries, viruses and fungi. In the same time

it reinforces the human immun system, i.e. the reaction of human organism

on pathogene microorganisms" (free cited by Patricia Davis 1988: An A_Z Of

Aromatherapy ). I use it often and with good success in treatment of

candida, herpes, epidermophyty, acne and for to reinforce immun system.



ASTROL SA,CH-6596 Gordola,Switzerland,Ph +41 93 671 162,Fax +41 93 671 841



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 09:29:26 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: wheat allergy



Try seeing a holistic  physician who can treat him with desensitizing

drops. In America many Naturopaths and Homeopaths can desesstize him to

wheat. You may also try to get some Quinoa grain. I use it for a hot

cereal and puddings and in bread. It can be ground. It is very nutritious

and filling.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 10:52:16 -0700

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From:         Tim Snider <Tim_Snider@MINDLINK.BC.CA>

Subject:      Re: wheat allergy

Comments: To: Emma Ramsay <emma.ramsay@STONEBOW.OTAGO.AC.NZ>



>>Hi Everyone,

>        I have been on this list for about three weeks now and throughly

>enjoy getting the information. And like most others am writing with a

>problem I would like some help with. My partner has always had chronic

>sinisitis problems. Recently he was diagnosed as having a wheat allergy. A

>herbalist here in Dunedin New Zealand suggested he try a wheat free diet

>for about four weeks to see if it helped. The diet certainly has made a

>difference after only about a week but the problem is food. What can he eat

>besides rice,potatoes and wheat free pastas. He loves sandwiches and hates

>rice cakes and needs a lunch to take to work each day. He is also a road

>cyclist who trains every day and so needs a good diet to ensure

>performance. We have tried a rice bread but it tastes really awful. Has any

>body got any recipies (for bread or anything else) or suggestions that

>might help us. Thanks very much.



Hello down under!(Never did make it to New Zealand!)



I can relate. I have an allergy/sensitivity to wheat as well. I am also

very active, although it sounds like I'm not up to your partners level,and

miss my carbo's, ie. bread. Some of the things I replace it with are yams(I

find regular potatoes to boring), brown rice, beans. etc. I've also used

the replacement pastas, they're not

too bad, depending on how you use them, tried any stir fry's lately? ;-}



As to bread replacements, I've tried a variety of alternative flours such

as pea, rice and corn flour although it's hard to find ones without any

wheat in them, luckily there

is a store in town that has a wheat and yeast free brown rice bread, a bit

heavy, but

nice every while. I've also picked up on baking a loaf with corn flour,

using ground

flax seed and rice flour as a binder(I'm also off eggs), and baking soda to

rise.

They tend to be a lot more crumbly than good old whole wheat bread. I don't

have any

clear recipies yet, I'll try and write things down next time I experiment.



I haven't yet had much luck with buckwheat(it's not a wheat) although some

people

swear by it. I also use such grains as quinoa(keenwa) and occasionally

spelt(still

trying to figure out whether this one bothers me).



I'd suggest you pick up some literature on the issue and find out what it

is your partner is really sensitive to, for most it is the gluten, so watch

out if you go

for chinese food.



A real hassle is of course that so many foods have wheat hidden in them, it

helps that

I eat organically, since they seem to label their food more clearly.



Good luck in your search!











(TJ)Tim_Snider@mindlink.bc.ca



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:10:24 -0500

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From:         Gordon Minyard <MINYARD4@MADMAX.DNET.TERADYNE.COM>

Subject:      Thanks to all for Poison Ivy remedies



Thanks to all of you who responded to my question on what to do to get rid of

Poison Ivy. There were a lot of good responses and I saved them all in a file.



Maybe next spring I will even have the courage to try eating a couple of

ivy leaves!!!???





In addition to what was posted I also found out about some other Poison Ivy

remedies:



>From An Acupunturist/herbal:



- White Oak Bark (someone else suggested this as well)

- Myrrh





>From my boss who has a relative that is an herbalist:



A product called IN-X  (made by a company called "Nature's Sunshine")

(these are capsules. The following ingredients are listed:  Golden Seal Root,

Black Walnut Hulls, Althea Root, Parthenium Root, Plantain Herb, and Bungleweed)





THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE GOOD RESPONSES.



Gordon Minyard



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:11:00 -0400

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From:         Rick Scott <ricks@VIVANET.COM>

Subject:      Post-delivery abdominal skin damage

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de, aromatherapy-l@netcom.com



Can anyone recommend herbs, oils, etc., to treat severe abdominal stretch marks,

darkened wrinkly skin, and superficial nerve damage (numbness) due to

extreme abdominal enlargement during pregnancy?



Thanks,



Rick



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 19:10:07 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: wheat allergy

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <01HSFFYOU9LI8WYNBS@ua.acad1.alaska.edu> on 7/3/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Try seeing a holistic  physician who can treat him with desensitizing

: drops. In America many Naturopaths and Homeopaths can desesstize him

: to wheat. You may also try to get some Quinoa grain. I use it for a

: hot cereal and puddings and in bread. It can be ground. It is very

: nutritious and filling.



Desensitization therapy is really just a stopgap. Allergies are almost always

really Dampness in a weak Digestion. By Boosting and Clearing Digestive Qi,

the 'allergy' to Damp foods like wheat or milk goes away or is vastly

improved. In other words, a truly holistic appraisal of the health balance is

better, rather than fighting it out at the external pathogenesis level.



Use of homeopathics for this purpose can damage mental and emotional balances

over the long run.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:24:17 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: "Local" definition

In-Reply-To:  <1181020157.6038314@pop.com>



On Sat, 1 Jul 1995, Paul Iannone wrote:



> HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

> : [...]  Honey from your very local area is

> : often said to build up resistance to certain allergies many

> : people suffer from.  Like wise with certain herbs.



Any advantage of local honey is likely to be more from processing than

from the bees foraging local fruit trees.  Local honey is less likely to

be pasteurized (heat) for shipping and shelf life.  In that regard it may

retain more "live" things which in turn may be beneficial.



> Really. Comparing fruit and honey is rather specious. Honey is made from

> pollen, an allergen. Fruit is made from ripened ovaries. The non-breeders out

> there might consider themselves immunized, but hardly from eating fruit.

> There is no botannical basis for this comparison.



Paul, you are probably correct in your last line, but you have a strange

way of getting my attention (attempting to be sarcastic?).  What the H#$$

are "non-breeders" this time?  Celibate fruit eaters?



Jack vL



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 16:37:06 -0500

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From:         "John L. Dettling" <dettling@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Candida

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.3.91.950703141737.18153A-100000@pacifier.com>



Just a quick thought on Candida.  I know the best way to rid the body of

this fungus is through diet.  Sometimes it may require medical help to

get it under control.  Would not the best physician to see in that case

be one who treats patients with HIV since patients with AIDS are the most

likely to develop opportunistic infections?  Most of the recent research

on Candida is related to AIDS.

Any comments?

 + John



??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

        John L. Dettling, Jr.   dettling@tenet.edu      Louise, Texas

      "Humans are the only animals with a need for toilet tissue."  jld

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 17:41:36 -0400

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From:         "LIST Roni L. Evilla" <CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Post-delivery abdominal skin damage



I too would be very interested in any remedy that might help replace lost

elasticity or help repair damage.  My fundal hieght was 64cms with my last

pregnancy. My twin boys wieghed 9lbs and 8lbs 6ozs.  This left considerable

lower abdominal skin damage.



 I am a midwife and as yet have not come across any truly helpful "quick"

remedies foe mine or my clients benifit.  I have seen many strech marks cases

that were just fine in a few years if the mother eats well and gets enough

exercise but nothing that produces any immediate reaction.  In my own case,

it improves with each passing day and the rate of improvement correlates with

how well I am careing for my self.   Time really does heal. The body is a

wonderful thing.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 17:41:42 -0400

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From:         "LIST Roni L. Evilla" <CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sergio Corriero Tea Tree Oil



Could you please elaborate on the use of Tea Tree to treat herpes either on

the list for all or in private E-mail to me CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM.



Is it safe for use in pregnancy? How does it work? Etc.  I occassionally work

with clients who have genital herpes who would benifit from any treatment

that prevent an outbreak.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 17:28:16 +0000

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From:         Jaime Delgado <jdelgado@PI.PRO.EC>

Organization: Jaime Delgado

Subject:      INFO CATS CLAW



Hello, some body knows about scientific research on  : Cats claw "

Spanish name: una de gato"  Latin name: uncuna tomentosa ?  Where can

i look for it ?

Thanks

Jaime Delgado

---------------------

Jaime Delgado

jdelgado@pi.pro.ec

Quito-Ecuador



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 20:13:58 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: INFO CATS CLAW



Nature's Sunshine is no carrying it.

Deb



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 19:17:25 +0000

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From:         Jaime Delgado <jdelgado@PI.PRO.EC>

Organization: Jaime Delgado

Subject:      Info cats claw



Hello.

Just arriving to Herb. Some body know about scientific research on

Cats claw ? Latin name: uncuna tomentosa. Spanish name: una de gato.

Thanks

Jaime Delgado



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 3 Jul 1995 19:06:38 -0700

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From:         Francine Krasowska <madrobin@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Lemon balm



I am forwarding this question from the list GARDENS. Reply here or

directly to Heather.



Francine

madrobin@ix.netcom.com



    BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE



<<From:    HeatherLaBelle <hlabelle@KRUNCHER.PTLOMA.EDU>

  Subject: Lemon balm tea?



    My problem is that the lemon balm is out of control and I

    would like to use it for tea.  How does one prepare tea/infusion

    from lemon balm?  Should one dry the leaves first?  Use 'em

    fresh?>>



    END FORWARDED MESSAGE



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From:         David Oliver <doliver@MINERVA.POLARISTEL.NET>

Subject:      Lemon balm tea



Someone asked about lemon balm tea: should it be used fresh or dried, etc.



We are great lovers of lemon balm tea. We grow a patch of it, harvesting the leaves all

summer for fresh tea. In the fall, we gather the crop and air-dry it for winter. The

flavor is different depending on whether it is fresh or dried; I prefer the fresh, but

dried is fine.



To prepare the tea, just steep the leaves in boiling water for a few minutes. Personal

taste will determine the amount to use (don't skimp) and the brewing time. Try adding some

of your other favorite tea ingredients for a little variety. Chamomile and hops make a

soothing (maybe sedative or soporific for those sensitive to these ingredients)

combination with the lemon balm.



I have never heard of any toxic effects or contraindications to the use of lemon balm.

>From personal experience, I'd say it's perfectly harmless.



Enjoy.



==========================================

David & Paula Oliver

Editors/Publishers, The Business of Herbs

Northwind Farm Publications

doliver@minerva.polaristel.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 05:48:35 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: "Local" definition

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <Pine.LNX.3.91.950703141737.18153A-100000@pacifier.com> on

7/3/95, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: > Really. Comparing fruit and honey is rather specious. Honey is made from

: > pollen, an allergen. Fruit is made from ripened ovaries. The

: > non-breeders out there might consider themselves immunized, but

: > hardly from eating fruit. There is no botanical basis for this

: > comparison.

:

: Paul, you are probably correct in your last line, but you have a strange

: way of getting my attention (attempting to be sarcastic?).  What the H#$$

: are "non-breeders" this time?  Celibate fruit eaters?

:

: Jack vL



Yes, that was really obscure, even by my standards. Sorry, I have forgotten

what I was trying to say. Probably some odd joke I was telling myself.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From:         "Dr. Horvath Geza" <HORVATH@KKI.DOTE.HU>

Organization: Dept. of Clinical Chemistry

Subject:      Re: Info cats claw

Comments: To: Jaime Delgado <jdelgado@PI.PRO.EC>



Priority:       normal

Date sent:      Mon, 3 Jul 1995 19:17:25 +0000

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From:           Jaime Delgado <jdelgado@PI.PRO.EC>

Organization:   Jaime Delgado

Subject:        Info cats claw

To:             Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>



Hello.

Just arriving to Herb. Some body know about scientific research on

Cats claw ? Latin name: uncuna tomentosa. Spanish name: una de gato.

Thanks

Jaime Delgado

attached to my my answer you will find a file containing all the

information available in medline regarding uncaria tomentosa. the

file is uuencoded. i hope you will be able to decode it and will

find useful.

best regards: g. horvath



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From:         "Dr. Horvath Geza" <HORVATH@KKI.DOTE.HU>

Organization: Dept. of Clinical Chemistry

Subject:      Re: Info cats claw

Comments: To: Jaime Delgado <jdelgado@PI.PRO.EC>



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Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 09:35:36 GMT

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From:         John Wilkinson <JOHN11@MDX.AC.UK>

Organization: Middlesex University

Subject:      Re: Lemon balm tea



The volatile oils inparticular are thought to be mainly responsible

for the carmanative aspects. My research at Middlesex University is

l looking into these effects and we are planning to grow Melssa

(Lemon Balm) on a large scale. We also plan to distill the oil.

As far as I know their has been know mention of possible toxicity

effects of \lemon balm.







Dr John A. Wilkinson BSc PhD DIC MRSC C CHEM

Senior Lecturer in Pharmacognosy, the Botany

and Chemistry of Medicinal and Economic Plants.

Program Leader, BSc Herbal Medicine degree Programme

Middlesex University, Enfield, Middlesex EN3 4SF UK

E mail JOHN11@MDX.AC.UK Tel:0181 362 6425 Fax:0181 805 0702



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 08:00:21 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Lemon balm tea



On July 4, David Oliver Wrote:



>To prepare the tea, just steep the leaves in boiling water for a few minutes.

Pe

rsonal

taste will determine the amount to use (don't skimp) and the brewing time.<



Roy Collins replies: For all fresh herbs (most aerial parts) it is always a

good idea to gently bruise the plant parts in a mortar to help release the

flavinoids. In peace, Roy



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 08:31:03 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      NETWITS



On July 3, Jack Lv wrote:



>: Paul, you are probably correct in your last line, but you have a strange

: way of getting my attention (attempting to be sarcastic?).  What the H#$$

: are "non-breeders<



Roy Collins replies: *Sarcastic* is being mild! Sounds more like a human rights

violation...Just post a complaint with the list owner and start using your

delete key. This is what was recommended to me a couple of months ago by

numerous members of this news group. So far, it has worked well for me. Paul's

negative sarcasm and demeaning remarks are the only way he can get recognized.

His game is quite obvious. If you start going back and forth with him it sarts

to take up valuable band width, and bores the entire group. It is exactly what

he wants!  In peace, Roy



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 09:59:26 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Candida



On July 3, John Dettling wrote:



>Just a quick thought on Candida.  I know the best way to rid the body of

this fungus is through diet.  Sometimes it may require medical help to

get it under control.  Would not the best physician to see in that case

be one who treats patients with HIV since patients with AIDS are the most

likely to develop opportunistic infections?  Most of the recent research

on Candida is related to AIDS.<



Roy Colins replies: Candida albicans are yeast organisms that co-exist with

other riendly bacteria inside the gastrointestinal, respiratory, and genito-

urinary tracts inside the body. WHen there is an uncontolled growth

of this species a toxic by-product of the yeasts can cause various symptoms.



While there MAY be a higher incidence of Candida growth in people with AIDS

and other immune disorders, it doesn't mean that you have AIDS. Broad spectrum

anitbiotics aimed at treating Candida overgrowth are ineffective and also

bestroy much of the other *normal* bacteria, allowing for Candida to spread

ot and colonize and further deplete the strength of the immune system.



The best physician to see when the problem of Candida overgrowth occurs, is

no doctor. As you correctly said, the best control of Candida is through

the adoption of a whole grain-vegetable based diet, and to avoid food

products that aid in the Candida growth mechanism (fruits, condiments, dairy,

B-viatmins, sugar, honey, leavened products, mushrooms, animal fat, white

flour, and alcohol.) Garlic, echinecea, calendula, primrose oil, and agrimony

are some beneficial herbs that be taken. Miso broth with seaweed is

especially effective, as well as seaweed/salt sitz baths for women.  I hope

this information will be helpful to you. In peace, Roy



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 11:45:17 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Candida



My cure-all for candida is acidophilus.  We use it topically for yeast

infections. Open up a capsule and add a few drops of water to make a paste.

 We put it in the babies mouth for thrush and on mom's nipples.  We take it

internally if it is chronic problem.



Oklahoma midwife's journal:  A cup of yogurt a day keeps the yeast infections

away.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 15:58:01 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: NETWITS

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199507041231.AA06076@osfn.rhilinet.gov> on 7/4/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: On July 3, Jack Lv wrote:

:

: >: Paul, you are probably correct in your last line, but you have a strange

: : way of getting my attention (attempting to be sarcastic?).  What the H#$$

: : are "non-breeders<

:

: Roy Collins replies: *Sarcastic* is being mild! Sounds more like a

: human rights violation...Just post a complaint with the list owner

: and start using your delete key. This is what was recommended to me

: a couple of months ago by numerous members of this news group. So

: far, it has worked well for me. Paul's negative sarcasm and

: demeaning remarks are the only way he can get recognized. His game

: is quite obvious. If you start going back and forth with him it

: sarts to take up valuable band width, and bores the entire group. It

: is exactly what he wants!  In peace, Roy



Tacking 'in peace' onto this personal attack is exactly the crap you're

peddling, Roy. You post gross factual errors, coat them in this kind of

passive-aggressive slime, and have some lackeys who suck up to it. I don't.

When you're wrong, and that's regularly, I try to ignore it, unless you are

making a specific assertion about my own field of study. Then you can expect

a 'hostile' reply--meaning that I probably won't stuff some sort of 'I'm a

healer--love me' inaccurate junk in YOUR mailbox.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 17:37:10 +0000

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From:         Jaime Delgado <jdelgado@PI.PRO.EC>

Organization: Jaime Delgado

Subject:      Need a Herb friend in Italy



Hello

I am interested in geting contact with an Herbal friend in Italy.

Please contact me.  Thanks

Jaime Delgado



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 22:08:45 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Sergio Corriero Tea Tree Oil



On July 3, Ronni Evilla wrote:





>Could you please elaborate on the use of Tea Tree to treat herpes<



Roy Collins replies: The essential oil is usually used in combination with

other antiseptic, antifungal and antiseptic herbs and other emollients.



It is used both topically and/or prepared in pessary form and inserted into

the vagina. Quantum makes a good commercial topical cream that includes

tea tree oil, echinacea, golden seal, L-lysine and zinc oxide (as well as

other natural stuff.) You can make your own pessaries by melting cocoa butter

and adding tea tree oil (and other herb oils) to it and allowing it to set.

Some of the better women's herbals will give you the exact recipe (formula) for

this, which is then placed inside the vagina (usually at night) and the heat

from one's body melts the cocoa butter pessaries and

the herbal oils are slowly released.



Neither the topical treatment nor the pessaries will interfere with fetal

development in pregnant women.  The avoidance of excess simple sugars, dairy,

and animal fat will also help in controlling herpes outbreaks. Med-

itation and other stress relief exercises are helpful as well.  Avoid

chemically treated, heated pools and hot tubs also. Underclothes should

be made of cotton and overclothes should be loose fitting.   In peace, Roy.



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 22:56:23 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Marsh St. Johnswort



Hello friendly herbophiles:



I was wondering if anyone here knows if Marsh St. Johnswort (Hypericum vi

virginicum) has similar properties as the more common St. Johnswort, and if

so can the *pink* flowers also be used to make the famous red oil salve?



Also, I've been studying the growth habits of Japanese Knotweed (Conchleria

dimoracia) and was wondering if the rapid-growing, magenta-colored, hollow

stems might be of aid in the treatment of *clogged* arteries

I know it is edible and fancy its relish its flavor in Spring. Does anyone

here know if has been researched for medicinal use? I would be most

grateful for any input on these two. In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 23:56:44 -0500

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From:         David Epstein <depstein@MINDSPRING.COM>



who herb list



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 04:26:40 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Sergio Corriero Tea Tree Oil

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199507050208.AA28063@osfn.rhilinet.gov> on 7/4/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >Could you please elaborate on the use of Tea Tree to treat herpes<

:

: Roy Collins replies: The essential oil is usually used in

: combination with other antiseptic, antifungal and antiseptic herbs

: and other emollients.



It would be vastly better to seek out traditional homeopathic care, and cure

the herpes, rather than repress it (even by well-meaning, mild herbal

therapy).



Tea tree oil is being overused, imho--it interferes with homeopathic agents

like nobody's business, so it is not inconceivable that it has a deep effect

on the psyche all by itself. I recommend some caution in its use--and

complete avoidance of it is mandatory if you are a homeopathic patient.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 02:04:44 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "LIST Roni L. Evilla" <CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sergio Corriero Tea Tree Oil



In a message dated 95-07-05 01:15:32 EDT, you write:



>It would be vastly better to seek out traditional homeopathic care,

>and cure

>the herpes, rather than repress it (even by well-meaning, mild herbal

>therapy).





Paul,



It is my understanding (which is admittedly limited)  that the hepes virus,

when it is not active, lies dormant at the base of the spine.  All of my

texts note that the virus is carried for life once a person is infected and

that there is no cure.  Do you have documentation of  cases cured by

homeopathy?  If so this information would be highly valued by those who

suffer with recurring outbreaks.  I have a dear friend who has herpes  and is

under the care of a classical homeopath and is yet uncured and like me is

under the impression that it is uncurrable.  Can you please elaborate on this

statement?



Sincerely

 Roni



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 16:17:56 +0000

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Lemon balm tea

Comments: To: JOHN11@MDX.AC.UK



>The volatile oils inparticular are thought to be mainly responsible

>for the carmanative aspects.

I would be very interested in this most neglected herb.

We have had customers use it for migraine (only some responded ones helped

by hot or was it cold compress?)and spasm pain.

We had a local herbalist using it (blended fresh) for a number of complaints.

Dried it did not seem to have any of the same effects as fresh. The oil may

be only part of the story. Whatever is active is volatile. The Perfumer and

Flavorist will have an analysis of the oil although it is little used in

perfumery.

Seding copy of our newsletter I thought you might enjoy.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 16:19:11 +0000

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Echinacae & Coneflowers



>If this sounds confusing... I guess it is, that's why common names,

>especially when used INTERNATIONALLY, can be mis-interepted.

Yes.!



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 16:19:04 +0000

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Chronic diarrhea



>She also has been on a heavy schedule of vitamin/mineral/supplements.

>I take most of the same, but then I am 50% greater in size.  I can still

>see the effects this stuff has on me, so it must be more so for her, but

>in the opposite direction.

Large doses of Vit C will cause diarrhoea.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 16:18:50 +0000

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs for skin



>Are there any herbs that promote skin regrowth/regeneration? A friend has

>recently had a skin graft and the drugs he was prescribed seem to be having

>some side effects.

>

>Darryl



Has friend tried comfrey poltices/ointment?



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 16:30:04 +0000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Lemon balm tea



>The volatile oils inparticular are thought to be mainly responsible

>for the carmanative aspects. My research at Middlesex University is

>l looking into these effects and we are planning to grow Melssa

>(Lemon Balm) on a large scale. We also plan to distill the oil.

>As far as I know their has been know mention of possible toxicity

>effects of \lemon balm.

>

>

>

>Dr John A. Wilkinson BSc PhD DIC MRSC C CHEM

>Senior Lecturer in Pharmacognosy, the Botany

>and Chemistry of Medicinal and Economic Plants.

>Program Leader, BSc Herbal Medicine degree Programme

>Middlesex University, Enfield, Middlesex EN3 4SF UK

>E mail JOHN11@MDX.AC.UK Tel:0181 362 6425 Fax:0181 805 0702



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 09:42:02 -0100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Marsh St. Johnswort

Comments: To: ac956@osfn.rhilinet.gov



>I was wondering if anyone here knows if Marsh St. Johnswort (Hypericum vi

>virginicum) has similar properties as the more common St. Johnswort, and if

>so can the *pink* flowers also be used to make the famous red oil salve?



Try to crush some fresh flowers - do your fingers get DEEP RED (not pink)?

If so this Hypericum does contain hypericin and can be used like H.perforatum.



HeK

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 08:31:43 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Sergio Corriero Tea Tree Oil

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <950705020444_25507764@aol.com> on 7/4/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: In a message dated 95-07-05 01:15:32 EDT, you write:

:

: >It would be vastly better to seek out traditional homeopathic care,

: >and cure

: >the herpes, rather than repress it (even by well-meaning, mild herbal

: >therapy).

:

:

: Paul,

:

: It is my understanding (which is admittedly limited)  that the hepes

: virus, when it is not active, lies dormant at the base of the spine.

:  All of my texts note that the virus is carried for life once a

: person is infected and that there is no cure.  Do you have

: documentation of  cases cured by homeopathy?  If so this information

: would be highly valued by those who suffer with recurring outbreaks.

:  I have a dear friend who has herpes  and is under the care of a

: classical homeopath and is yet uncured and like me is under the

: impression that it is uncurrable.  Can you please elaborate on this

: statement?

:

: Sincerely

:  Roni



And who cares if it does? Cure is the permanent cessation of symptoms without

repression of their mechanism. The presence or absence of a virus does not

mean anything.



Herpes is indeed 'curable' by traditional homeopathy, but that is not a

guarantee in any patient's case. Traditional homeopathy will improve many

aspects of a person's health, but still not perhaps enable the patient to

resolve deeply-rooted illnesses. This in no way invalidates the issue of

repression of symptoms.



It should be noted that health benefits should be visible in adequate

homeopathic therapy. You shouldn't spend years with no benefit.



I also note that therapies that Clear Heat from the Channels actually aid the

homeopathic process, in my opinion. In recalcitrant cases, it may be

worthwhile to engage in deep acupressure work--even suspending homeopathic

therapy for a time to do so. Such therapy does not aim at making symptoms go

away, but at changing the underlying balances (but not as deeply as

homeopathy).



I have tracked several cases of vaginal herpes that were apparently cured by

traditional homeopathy.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 09:12:48 -0600

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From:         Jaime <MATUTE_JL%ZOO.DECNET@RELAY.THE.NET>

Subject:      Eczema



I am a brand new member of the group and loving it.  I hope this topic has not

already been exhausted sometime recently, if so forgive.  My six-year-old son

has recently broken out in Eczema all over his body.  A dermatologist said

that some young children that are allergy-prone, breakout like this then later

grow out of it.  He prescribed cortisone cream to be used twice (sparingly).

I used the cream for about a month, but I've been told it can have long-term

side effects so I discontinued use.



My son seems to be allergic to cow's milk (it causes stomach cramps and

diahhrea), so I have greatly decreased his intake of milk.  He also seems

to have allergies to airborne substances like pollen or mold. I have not been

pleased with traditional medical advice on this subject, so I thought perhaps

a herbal remedy might exist.  I read that evening primrose oil is being tested

as a cure to eczema, so I bought several bottles and slathered it my son twice

a day for a month.  The eczema continued to spread.



Does anyone have any suggestions?



Jaime Matute'



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 10:49:42 EST

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From:         "Stein, Brian" <steinb@SMTP.MICROCOM.COM>

Subject:      Hardy office herb?

Comments: To: aromatherapy-l@netcom.com



     Hi all,



     I am looking for a nice aromatic herb, that can do well potted and in

     an office just overhead flourescent lighting.  The type of aroma I am

     looking for is used primarely for making one feel awake.



     Thanks in advance,



     Brian



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 09:19:47 MST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         shirley thompson <DUSTHOMP@IDBSU.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: wheat allergy

In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon, 3 Jul 1995 10:48:39 +1200 from

              <emma.ramsay@STONEBOW.OTAGO.AC.NZ>



Talked to a person at work, who also has a wheat allergy.  He hasn't found

a way around the sandwich part.  He eats corn tortilla's (check to make sure

it does have wheat or flour in them).  He drinks a lot of malt shakes or

instant breakfast for protein.  Cornbread, some muffins, lot of vegatables

such as celery with peanut butter, carrots, raisins and apples.



 Shirley Thompson      User Service Center      Boise State University

                    Dusthomp@Idbsu.Idbsu.Edu                            du

Here's to it and to it again, if you don't do it, when you get to it,

you may never get to it to do it again. . .



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 11:05:27 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         David Epstein <depstein@MINDSPRING.COM>

Subject:      Re: Eczema



This is what I would recommend to my own patients with eczema.



1.  Forget the steroids

2.  Find a supplier for Hemp Seed Oil.  It's a better complex of fatty

acids, less expensive, can be put on salads (in place of olive oil), may be

added to toaste (butter sub), or put on rice, potatoes or etc.  Don't need

to slather it on the body, as with EPO it should be consumed.  1 tsp per day

fro a child.  If you're gonna slather anything slather hemp salve.

3.  Elimination diet- definately take him off the cows milk if it's causing

symptoms of allergies.  Don't just reduce the intake, eliminate it from the

diet.  If he needs milk consider making your own, again, I'd suggest,

believe it or not,  Hemp seeds- I can give more info if you email request.

4.  Vitamin C to laxative effect, Cal-magnesium, lots of carrots, green

leafies and complex carbos.

5.  Discontinue sweets and anything sweetened with corn syrup such as orange

juice, cola's etc.

6.  Keep a food diary, and check pulses after meals that are considered

allergy producers (corn wheat dairy).

Give it 6 weeks and reevaluate. Good Luck.

Epstein, DO



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 11:45:01 -0400

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From:         Susan Lowell <susan@LINUS.DC.LSOFT.COM>

Subject:      Wheat allergy



What about rye?  I've had very good luck with the German style breads

made from whole rye.  Makes great sandwiches.



....s



My feelings and opinions--don't blame L-Soft



Susan Lowell

Communications and Marketing Coordinator

L-Soft, international, Inc.

susan@lsoft.com

--We license authentic LISTSERV(TM)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 09:41:40 PDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Valerie Sadovsky <vsadovsk@DEV3.CTC.EDU>

Subject:      Moles!!!



Hi everyone,



Does anyone know how to make moles leave your yard?  I'm thinking about

some humane way, not traps.



Thanks in advance,



Valerie

--



=======================================================================

Valerie Sadovsky                        E-Mail:  vsadovsk@dev3.ctc.edu

=======================================================================



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 14:01:30 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Donna J. Logan" <revcoal@PCNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Eczema

Comments: To: Jaime <MATUTE_JL%ZOO.DECNET@RELAY.THE.NET>

In-Reply-To:  <01HSI7JDAB36002MQI@nic.the.net>



The protein in cow's milk can cause eczema (I know, I suffer from it!).



You would not only have to completely eliminate ALL obvious cow's milk

products, like milk, butter, cheese, yogurt, ice cream, etc., but you

have to read the labels on ALL packaged foods to see if it contains whey

and/or casein or sodium caseinate.  Take my word for it, most all

packaged foods, even those which are not obviously "dairy" products,

contain one or both.



;->



On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Jaime wrote:



> I am a brand new member of the group and loving it.  I hope this topic has not

> already been exhausted sometime recently, if so forgive.  My six-year-old son

> has recently broken out in Eczema all over his body.  A dermatologist said

> that some young children that are allergy-prone, breakout like this then later

> grow out of it.  He prescribed cortisone cream to be used twice (sparingly).

> I used the cream for about a month, but I've been told it can have long-term

> side effects so I discontinued use.

>

> My son seems to be allergic to cow's milk (it causes stomach cramps and

> diahhrea), so I have greatly decreased his intake of milk.  He also seems

> to have allergies to airborne substances like pollen or mold. I have not been

> pleased with traditional medical advice on this subject, so I thought perhaps

> a herbal remedy might exist.  I read that evening primrose oil is being tested

> as a cure to eczema, so I bought several bottles and slathered it my son twice

> a day for a month.  The eczema continued to spread.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions?

>

> Jaime Matute'

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 17:28:52 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Eczema

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <01HSI7JDAB36002MQI@nic.the.net> on 7/5/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I am a brand new member of the group and loving it.  I hope this

: topic has not already been exhausted sometime recently, if so

: forgive.  My six-year-old son has recently broken out in Eczema all

: over his body.  A dermatologist said that some young children that

: are allergy-prone, breakout like this then later grow out of it.  He

: prescribed cortisone cream to be used twice (sparingly). I used the

: cream for about a month, but I've been told it can have long-term

: side effects so I discontinued use.



Go to a traditional homeopath, right away. Symptomatic therapy is hard on the

child, and locks you into a life of symptom management. Children can often be

CURED.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 14:19:23 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Chronic diarrhea

In-Reply-To:  <199507050615.QAA13797@oznet02.ozemail.com.au>



On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Adam Van Wirdum wrote:



> >She also has been on a heavy schedule of vitamin/mineral/supplements.

> >I take most of the same, but then I am 50% greater in size.  I can still

> >see the effects this stuff has on me, so it must be more so for her, but

> >in the opposite direction.



> Large doses of Vit C will cause diarrhoea.



I'm doing 2-3000, she's only doing 1000.  My understanding is that "large

doses" are 8-10,000 and up.



Anyway, she's mostly 'cured'   :-)



Jack vL



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 06:33:47 +0000

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From:         barryg@AUG.COM

Subject:      Herb list--how to subscribe



How can I subscribe to the herb list?



Barry



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 19:06:13 -0400

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From:         "LIST Roni L. Evilla" <CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sergio Corriero Tea Tree Oil



In a message dated 95-07-05 07:32:22 EDT, you write:



>And who cares if it does? Cure is the permanent cessation of symptoms

>without

>repression of their mechanism. The presence or absence of a virus

>does not

>mean anything.

>

>



The presence of virus does indeed mean something. A very important something.



As long as the virus is present in the body it can reactivate, particularly

in times of illness or stress.  By your definition of "cured"

most of the people are "cured" most of the time. The friend I mentioned went

without an outbreak (symptoms) for 8 years. The problem is that pregnancy,

while it is a natural state, produces additional stress. The is especially

true of labor.  During this time of stress if lesions or even prodromal

symptoms appear a woman can pass the virus on to her child. The young

neurologic system of a newborn is very suceptable to this virus and of those

infected the fatality rates are quite high.



I would not consider a condition cured if the virus is still in the body

waiting for a chance to strike.  Making the assumption of cure based on lack

of symptoms could be a fatal mistake for a newborn.  In fact cultures show

that some people shed virus with NO symptoms.  This is also important  in

terms of infection control as herpes is/can be a sexually transmitted

disease.  The women you spoke of may go forth and have unprotected sexual

contact and spread this disease on the assumption that they are cured. How

unfortunate for unknowing partners and so on.



Blessings

Roni



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 17:14:05 -0700

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From:         Kim Patten <pattenk@COOPEXT.CAHE.WSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Echinacae



I am about to buy a farm that has 3 acres of Echinacea on it.  They are

mature, organically grown plants.  Does anyone know what the value (farm

gate) of this crop would be?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:21:56 -0400

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From:         Sandra Hoffman <sandrap@DRAGON.ACHILLES.NET>

Subject:      Re: Eczema

In-Reply-To:  <01HSI7JDAB36002MQI@nic.the.net>



My son's eczema is caused by eating citrus fruits or almonds. His

reaction has reduced over the years. As a newborn any fruit I ate would

cause the eczema to worsen. Now, at 5 years, citrus and almonds are the only

foods

he can't have in anything but very small quantites. This meant that there

were no commercial vitamin c supplements that he could take either as we

were never able to find any that did not have some citrus.



When his eczema was really bad we used aloe on it. As he has gotten older

he has refused to have the aloe used because it stings. We also added

stinging nettle to any food it could be hidden in. A very strong nettle

tea was recommended to us but it would have been unpalatable to him so we

kept a jar of dried nettle around and added it to any food we could.



We also only used cotton clothing for him as synthetics seemed to

irritate and switched laundry soaps till we found one that didn't add to

the problem. He also never had soap touch his skin until he was about 4

years old. Soap seriously irritates my husbands eczema so we avoided

using it on our son.



My husband has eczema on his hand caused, we think, by accidental

exposure to something in a lab he used to work in. It flares up

occasionally and he uses aloe to alleviate it.



sph



sandrap@dragon.achilles.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 18:30:09 -0700

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From:         "MICHAEL J. GOLINI" <einstein@AZTEC.ASU.EDU>

Subject:      hypoglycemia



Does anyone know of a treatment for hypoglycemia ?  I read of safflower



being used but I don't know the method.  Does anyone know of the procedure,



or another herb ?



Thanks in advance



Mike

(einstein@aztec.asu.edu)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 01:21:23 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Sergio Corriero Tea Tree Oil

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <950705190610_25986604@aol.com> on 7/5/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: In a message dated 95-07-05 07:32:22 EDT, you write:

:

: >And who cares if it does? Cure is the permanent cessation of symptoms

: >without

: >repression of their mechanism. The presence or absence of a virus

: >does not

: >mean anything.

: >

: >

:

: The presence of virus does indeed mean something. A very important

: something.

:

: As long as the virus is present in the body it can reactivate,

: particularly in times of illness or stress.



Ah, that's not proven to be so. Plenty of viruses are 'in' the body and do

nothing, ever.



: By your definition of

: "cured" most of the people are "cured" most of the time.



"Cure is the permanent cessation of symptoms." What part of 'permanent'

didn't you understand?



: The friend

: I mentioned went without an outbreak (symptoms) for 8 years. The

: problem is that pregnancy, while it is a natural state, produces

: additional stress. The is especially true of labor.



Proper homeopathic cure will not relapse from such stresses.



: During this

: time of stress if lesions or even prodromal symptoms appear a woman

: can pass the virus on to her child.



Improperly-treated (suppressed) viral infections can pass on to children as

constitutional illnesses on the emotional and mental levels. Health is a LOT

more complex and mysterious than the conventional model has been willing to

admit as of yet.



: The young neurologic system of a

: newborn is very suceptable to this virus and of those infected the

: fatality rates are quite high.



'Young' systems are vulnerable at their core. Yet I imagine with your views

on infection you support vaccination. Hmm.



: I would not consider a condition cured if the virus is still in the

: body waiting for a chance to strike.  Making the assumption of cure

: based on lack of symptoms could be a fatal mistake for a newborn.



This is hysteria, founded in ignorance.



: In fact cultures show that some people shed virus with NO symptoms.

: This is also important  in terms of infection control as herpes

: is/can be a sexually transmitted disease.  The women you spoke of

: may go forth and have unprotected sexual contact and spread this

: disease on the assumption that they are cured. How unfortunate for

: unknowing partners and so on.

:

: Blessings

: Roni



That is nonsense. I would like for you to prove that NO virus remains in the

body after any form of therapy whatsoever on this earth. Then I'll worry

about your Halloween stories.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 23:05:49 -0400

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From:         "Petal D. Lavallee" <Jacobite@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hardy office herb?



Any type of mint will live long and prosper!  You cant kill it.  Does well in

pots.



Petal



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 23:57:57 -0400

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From:         "LIST Roni L. Evilla" <CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sergio Corriero Tea Tree Oil



In a message dated 95-07-05 22:37:22 EDT, you write:



> >And who cares if it does? Cure is the permanent cessation of

>symptoms

>: >without

>: >repression of their mechanism. The presence or absence of a virus

>: >does not

>: >mean anything.

>: >

>: >

>:

>: The presence of virus does indeed mean something. A very important

>: something.

>:

>: As long as the virus is present in the body it can reactivate,

>: particularly in times of illness or stress.

>

>Ah, that's not proven to be so. Plenty of viruses are 'in' the body

>and do

>nothing, ever.

>

>: By your definition of

>: "cured" most of the people are "cured" most of the time.

>

>"Cure is the permanent cessation of symptoms." What part of

>'permanent'

>didn't you understand?

>

>: The friend

>: I mentioned went without an outbreak (symptoms) for 8 years. The

>: problem is that pregnancy, while it is a natural state, produces

>: additional stress. The is especially true of labor.

>

>Proper homeopathic cure will not relapse from such stresses.

>

>: During this

>: time of stress if lesions or even prodromal symptoms appear a woman

>: can pass the virus on to her child.

>

>Improperly-treated (suppressed) viral infections can pass on to

>children as

>constitutional illnesses on the emotional and mental levels. Health

>is a LOT

>more complex and mysterious than the conventional model has been

>willing to

>admit as of yet.

>

>: The young neurologic system of a

>: newborn is very suceptable to this virus and of those infected the

>: fatality rates are quite high.

>

>'Young' systems are vulnerable at their core. Yet I imagine with your

>views

>on infection you support vaccination. Hmm.

>

>: I would not consider a condition cured if the virus is still in the

>: body waiting for a chance to strike.  Making the assumption of cure

>: based on lack of symptoms could be a fatal mistake for a newborn.

>

>This is hysteria, founded in ignorance.

>

>: In fact cultures show that some people shed virus with NO symptoms.

>: This is also important  in terms of infection control as herpes

>: is/can be a sexually transmitted disease.  The women you spoke of

>: may go forth and have unprotected sexual contact and spread this

>: disease on the assumption that they are cured. How unfortunate for

>: unknowing partners and so on.

>:

>: Blessings

>: Roni

>

>That is nonsense. I would like for you to prove that NO virus remains

>in the

>body after any form of therapy whatsoever on this earth. Then I'll

>worry

>about your Halloween stories.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--



My posts have all been sincere shared experiences and requests for further

information.  I have told no halloween stories.  I have seen babies affected

by transplacental herpes infections.  It is not nice. Bad things do happen to

real people. In my practice I make a sincere effort to avoid bad things.

Hence my interest.  I am certainly not ignorant of my trade.



You cannot be sure of permanence until your client is dead and even then you

cannot be sure that your client was not contagious and spreading the virus

that you told her was cured. It is only competant practice to be sure that

what you say is truth.



No I am not in favor of immunizations.  In fact I am very much against them

for reasons I would be happy to elaborate on in detail if anyone is

interested.



I have great respect for homeopathy and have had good success using it to

deal with a number of problems.  I have spoken with 2 classical homeopaths

who agree that homeopathy can be utilized to deal with herpes but niether say

it can cure the body of the herpes virus.



I believe people join this list because they have a desire to share what they

know and learn from the shared experiences of others. In my origional post I

asked for an elaboration on the use of tea tree oil to deal with herpes

infections.  Your reply seemed to be aimed at belittling the practitioner who

was trying to share his knowledge with me and other list members by saying

his suggestions were inferior to your homeopathic cure.  I ignored this and

asked you to elaborate so that we could all learn from you suprising

discovery of a cure for an otherwise uncurrable disease.  Instead of

elaborating on how to obtain this cure you have chosen to go about with a

chip on your shoulder spewing out fluff and bellittling the comments of

others.  If you have something to share-- share it in a useful way otherwise

 don't clutter my mail box with useless self recognition and comments aimed

to tear down myself and others who are on this list.  I came here to learn

not to argue with those whose self esteem is so low that they have to spend

their time demoralising others.



Now...could we get bak to a discussion on how to use tea tree oil to deal

with herpes outbreaks? Did someone have a recipe for pessaries?



Blessings

Roni



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 05:24:07 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Sergio Corriero Tea Tree Oil

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <950705235755_26207239@aol.com> on 7/5/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: You cannot be sure of permanence until your client is dead and even

: then you cannot be sure that your client was not contagious and

: spreading the virus that you told her was cured. It is only

: competant practice to be sure that what you say is truth.



I disagree. The cases of transdermal transmission you saw weren't of

homeopathic patients now, were they?



: No I am not in favor of immunizations.  In fact I am very much

: against them for reasons I would be happy to elaborate on in detail



Sorry to imply otherwise. The issues are very similar.



: I have great respect for homeopathy and have had good success using

: it to deal with a number of problems.  I have spoken with 2

: classical homeopaths who agree that homeopathy can be utilized to

: deal with herpes but neither say it can cure the body of the herpes virus.



Virtual cure. THE POINT IS THAT SUPPRESSING THE SYMPTOMS WITH TEA TREE OIL

CAN DAMAGE YOUR HEALTH.



: I believe people join this list because they have a desire to share

: what they know and learn from the shared experiences of others. In

: my origional post I asked for an elaboration on the use of tea tree

: oil to deal with herpes infections.  Your reply seemed to be aimed

: at belittling the practitioner who was trying to share his knowledge

: with me and other list members by saying his suggestions were

: inferior to your homeopathic cure.



I don't practice homeopathy. But as an herbal healer, I am well aware that in

cases of constitutional taint like herpes, using herbals to drive the

symptoms off is contrary to good health practice.



: I ignored this and asked you to

: elaborate so that we could all learn from you suprising discovery of

: a cure for an otherwise uncurrable disease.  Instead of elaborating

: on how to obtain this cure you have chosen to go about with a chip

: on your shoulder spewing out fluff and bellittling the comments of

: others.



Belittling the comments of others? I was unaware that comments that are

dangerous or inaccurate had some kind of right to be respected. I am trying

to point out a danger--and your reply was all about some scare stories about

transmission that quite simply don't take place if proper therapy is used.



:  If you have something to share-- share it in a useful way otherwise

:  don't clutter my mail box with useless self recognition and

: comments aimed to tear down myself and others who are on this list.

: I came here to learn not to argue with those whose self esteem is so

: low that they have to spend their time demoralising others.



If contrary facts demoralize you, I only hope it is a useful experience.



: Now...could we get bak to a discussion on how to use tea tree oil to

: deal with herpes outbreaks? Did someone have a recipe for pessaries?

:

: Blessings

: Roni



Don't suppress herpes outbreaks with Tea tree oil. If you want to apply

Cooling herbals, that has some sense, to ease the symptom. But there is cause

to be concerned that Tea tree oil acts as an energetic suppressant.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 03:02:20 -0400

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From:         mozart <mozart@JAX.JAXNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: hypoglycemia



>Does anyone know of a treatment for hypoglycemia ?  I read of safflower

>being used but I don't know the method.  Does anyone know of the procedure,

>or another herb ?

>Thanks in advance

>Mike

>(einstein@aztec.asu.edu)

>

I believe Dandelion root tea has been used (or Raspberry leaf...)

and I've read the root has lots of vitamins and potassium and

insulin as well as sugar so please read a few sources before trying!



...and somewhere recently I read there's conflicting reports about

Catharanthus roseus, Tropical Periwinkle - it worked for hypoglycemia

in one animal but didn't help another type of animal??? (Yukkkk!!)

I don't recall seeing anywhere that it's been tested on humans.

Anyway, it is also reported to be immuno-suppressing, I've seen that

in a few references.



I looked up safflower in Rodale's and it doesn't mention any medicinal info,

Lust reports it to be diaphoretic and diuretic and used to sooth hysteria.



Incidentally, my brother has Functional Hypoglycemia (FH) - for 14 years he has

managed his very well with diet/nutrition. He turned into a pretty great guy,

too, after changing his eating habits! He didn't do well at first with the plans

from the doctor, but he went to a nutritionist after 3 months and within

a week he was free of symptoms he had suffered for four years.



Hope this info will be of some use.



Christy D.

mozart@jax.jaxnet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 16:33:45 -0400

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From:         Chris Severin <crseveri@UNITY.NCSU.EDU>

Subject:      Milk Allergy

In-Reply-To:  <01HSI7JDAB36002MQI@nic.the.net> from "Jaime" at Jul 5,

              95 09:12:48 am



Try using a soy-based milk substitute. It tastes pretty good, has all the



nutritrition that cow's milk has, and by boycotting the dairy industry, you



can help put a stop to the unnecessary pregnancies and hormonal treatments



that the poor dairy cows are put through. Cow's milk is for baby cows and



not human beings, and that is why so many people have diffuculty digesting

 

it.     Good Luck!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 5 Jul 1995 19:29:47 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Eczema



On July 5 Jaime Matute wrote:



>I read that evening primrose oil is being tested

as a cure to eczema, so I bought several bottles and slathered it my son twice

a day for a month.  The eczema continued to spread.<



Roy Collins replies: Many skin diseses are directly related to a malfunction

of the kidneys. When the kidneys become overloaded by foods that are high in

toxins (animal foods, eggs, fast foods, etc.) the skin acts to aid the

process of waste elimination by sweating. When waste rises to the skin surface

it it comes in contact with bacteria and may frequently become infected by it.

Although many topical ointments MAY offer temporary relief, the root cause

of the problem goes unaddressed. Others have suggested to eliminate dairy

products and sugar. This I agree with also, but if animal food is being eaten,

then it should be either drastically reduced, or completely eliminated.



In adddition, the kidneys can be stimulted by using hot ginger compress ap-

plicatons, or with acupuncture treatment (both kidney and triple heater

meridians.) I have also heard of the progress made for eczema treatment with

primrose oil, but it depends greatly on what type of eczema your son has. I

believe that primrose oil can be used successfully in dryer form of the

disease (as well as chickweed, calendula flowers and chamomile creams.) But

for the more ozzing type a compress made from a cooled infusion of chickweed

and/or calendula petals will work more effectively. Borage juice is another

topical used for temporary relief from itching. Also try giving your son

an infusion of heartsease and clover tea (50%-50%) and have him drink 1/2 cup

before eating.    I hope this helps. In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 17:00:41 +0000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Hardy office herb?



Aloe Vera will do well if kept warm. Try also Coleus amboinicus (All

Purpose Herb or Cuban Oregano)



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 16:57:47 +0000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Post-delivery abdominal skin damage



Try comfrey root oil.(Make by infusion) Use every day. you might like to

add some Vit E, and alittle chamomile and or Lavender Oil.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:33:47 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Slug slime syrup, translation of the recipe



Hi,

by popular request (yeach!):



---

Slug slime syrup translation

---

>The following text is  from A. Vogel "Die Natur als biologischer

>Wegweiser" Verlag A. Vogel Teufen, Switzerland, 1983,

>pages 671 to 676:



>Schneckenschaden

... slug damages in the garden ... (no, I won't translate this.)



>Schneckenverwertung

... uses of slugs ... (no, not this one, either.)



>Im Buch Der kleine Doktor+ kann man lesen, dass der

>Schneckensirup bei Schwierigkeiten auf bakterieller Grundlage, wie

>Geschwueren, Magen- und Lungenleiden schon gute

>Dienste geleistet hat. Das Rezept zur Herstellung wollen wir hier

>wiederholen.



In the book 'the small doctor' you can read that slug syrup has helped with

bacterial problems, like excema, stomach- and lung ailments. The recipe is:



>Roter Schneckensirup



>Seine Zubereitung ist ganz einfach. Die bekannten roten

>Waldschnecken legt man schichtweise in ein Glas. Darueber folgt eine

>Schicht Zucker, dann wieder eine Schicht Schnecken und abwechselnd

>eine Schicht Zucker. Die Menge des Zuckers darf das

>Gewicht der Schnecken nicht unterschreiten, sondern etwas ueberschreiten.

>Der Zucker, am besten ist der Rohrohrzucker, loest die

>Schnecken nahezu auf. Man laesst das Ganze bis zum zweiten Tag

>stehen und gibt es dann durch ein Sieb. Der langsam durchlaufende

>Sirup wird mit 30 Prozent Alkohol versehen und ist so

>haltbar und gebrauchsfaehig. Die Rueckstaende im Sieb wirft man

>weg. Von diesem Sirup, der aehnlich ist wie ein Likoer, nimmt man

>morgens nuechtern einen Essloeffel voll ein. In schweren Faellen kann

>ein Likoerglaeschen voll eingenommen werden. Der Erfolg ist derart

>auffallend, dass selbst Arzte nach der Einnahme dieses Mittels vor

>einem Raetsel standen. - Andere Befuerworter dieses Sirups empfehlen

>ihn auch gegen Keuchhusten, gegen Bronchitis und Krampfhusten.



Red Slugsyrup

Put red forest slugs in a layer in a jar (no, I don't have an idea of

which species this is and if it is the same in Europe and the US). Add

a layer of sugar, a layer of slugs, a layer of sugar until the jar is

full. You should have MORE sugar than slugs. the sugar will almost

dissolve the slugs. Let be until the second day (strange saying - why not

say 24 hours or 48 hours, which would be more clear?) and put into a

sieve. The syrup will slowly go thru the sieve. Add 30 o/o alcohol (How

much? Or what strenght? This guy does not know how to write a recipe)

to the syrup to make it ready-to-use and to make it keep. throw away

the residue in the sieve.

Take one tablespoon of the syrup in the morning on an empty stomach.

In bad cases you can take a licqueurglass (sp?) full (thats the glass

for the very sweet stuff you get with your coffee when the gents get

cognac. I hope your licqueurglasses are the same size as over here -

small). It is very successful, even doctors have been astonished. It

can also be used for whooping cough, bronchitis and _convulsive cough_

(? in my german-swedish dictionary as kramphosta, not in my swedish-english

dictionary).



>Schneckensirup

>Nun moechte ich bei Ihnen noch anfragen, wie lange man den

>Schneckensirup aufbewahren kann, und ob zwei Liter Sirup, die

>fuer einen Kranken ungefaehr vier Monate ausreichen, zur Heilung

>genuegen?



Slugsyrup - I'd like to ask how long this syrup keeps, and if

2 liters of syrup, which is enough for one ill person for about

4 months, is enough for a cure?



>Will man den Sirup laengere Zeit

>aufbewahren, dann muss man statt der 30 Prozent Alkohol, wie im

>Rezept, angegeben, 50 Prozent verwenden. Wenn nach vier Monaten

>noch keine voellige Heilung erzielt werden konnte, ist es besser,

>man faehrt mit der Einnahme des Mittels noch fort, bis der Erfolg

>gefestigt ist.



If you wish to keep your syrup for some longer time you should use 50

o/o alcohol instead of 30 o/o (still no saying if this is the amount

of alcohol to the syrup or the strenght of the alcohol ... BAAAD show).

If you aren't cured after 4 months of syrup you should go on until

you're fully cured.



>The following text is from A. Vogel :"Der kleine Doktor"

>Verlag A. Vogel, Teufen, Switzerland,

>pages 599 to 600:



>ROTER SCHNECKENSIRUP



>Wer nicht weiss, woraus dieser Sirup besteht, kann ihn sehr

>gut einnehmen, denn er ist keineswegs schlecht im Geschmack.



>Auch ein alter Bronchialkatarrh, der nicht mehr bessern will,

>kann durch das Mittel erfolgreich behandelt werden.



red slug syrup

if you don't know where it comes from you can take it easily,

it doesn't taste bad.

even an old bronchial catarrh which doesn't want to be cured will

be cured with this syrup.



---

end of translation

---



Now DON*T ask me more about this slug syrup - I find it revolting.

And if you want to read the rest (mostly opinionated stuff) of this

in english get the english translation of the book. I wouldn't

though... there are better books around. (my opinion based on the

original post in German only - but that's enough Vogel for me.)



Best

HeK

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 09:07:59 +0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Tibor K. Devenyi" <tibor@ICIBUD.HU>

Organization: Interconcepts Inc. Company

Subject:      Re Herbs for skin

Comments: cc: holistic@siucvmb.bitnet



<From:    Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

<Subject: Re: Herbs for skin



>Are there any herbs that promote skin regrowth/regeneration? A friend has

>recently had a skin graft and the drugs he was prescribed seem to be having

>some side effects.

>

>Darryl



<Has friend tried comfrey poltices/ointment?



<Michael Bailes.



Clinical studies in Hungary, Russia and China support claims about

effectiveness of fruit pulp oil of seabuckthorn

(hippophae rhamnoides) in promoting rapid healing and

regeneration of skin wounds. This fixed oil is also known as

sallow thorn oil.  Contact me if you need any more details.



Dr. Tibor K. Devenyi

tibor@icibud.hu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 4 Jul 1995 22:12:04 EDT

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From:         MS GAY M STEVENS <WKCC74B@PRODIGY.COM>



Would like to subscribe to your list.  Thanks.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 10:16:34 -0400

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From:         Michael Novar <mnovo@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: hypoglycemia

In-Reply-To:  <9507060130.AA27882@aztec.asu.edu>



It has been reported that hypoglycemia has been helped by using Kombucha Tea.

To recieve  more information on the subject join the kombucha list by sending

a message to

        Kombucha-request@shore.net

in the body type

        subscribe

        end

hope this helps.



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On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, MICHAEL J. GOLINI wrote:



> Does anyone know of a treatment for hypoglycemia ?  I read of safflower

>

> being used but I don't know the method.  Does anyone know of the procedure,

>

> or another herb ?

>

> Thanks in advance

>

> Mike

> (einstein@aztec.asu.edu)

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 10:26:31 -0400

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From:         Michael Novar <mnovo@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Eczema

Comments: To: Jaime <MATUTE_JL%ZOO.DECNET@RELAY.THE.NET>

In-Reply-To:  <01HSI7JDAB36002MQI@nic.the.net>



I have heard that Kombucha Tea helps in the treatment of Eczema.

To recieve more info on the subject join the Kombucha list by sending a

message to

        Kombucha-request@shore.net

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Regards

Mike



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On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Jaime wrote:



> I am a brand new member of the group and loving it.  I hope this topic has not

> already been exhausted sometime recently, if so forgive.  My six-year-old son

> has recently broken out in Eczema all over his body.  A dermatologist said

> that some young children that are allergy-prone, breakout like this then later

> grow out of it.  He prescribed cortisone cream to be used twice (sparingly).

> I used the cream for about a month, but I've been told it can have long-term

> side effects so I discontinued use.

>

> My son seems to be allergic to cow's milk (it causes stomach cramps and

> diahhrea), so I have greatly decreased his intake of milk.  He also seems

> to have allergies to airborne substances like pollen or mold. I have not been

> pleased with traditional medical advice on this subject, so I thought perhaps

> a herbal remedy might exist.  I read that evening primrose oil is being tested

> as a cure to eczema, so I bought several bottles and slathered it my son twice

> a day for a month.  The eczema continued to spread.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions?

>

> Jaime Matute'

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:12:34 -0400

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      Jewelweed for Poison Ivy

In-Reply-To:  <01HSFPQCFRGI003USS@A1GATE.TERADYNE.COM> from "Gordon Minyard" at

              Jul 3, 95 02:10:24 pm



A local naturalist who does nature/foraging tours in the NYC area pointed

out that Jewelweed will prevent poison ivy blisters after exposure. Break

the stem and rub liquid on exposed skin. Jewelweed can be recongnized by

the 1/2 to 1 inche black specled orange pods.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:38:35 -0400

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Moles!!!

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%95070519430236@VM.EGE.EDU.TR> from "Valerie Sadovsky" at

              Jul 5, 95 09:41:40 am

 

Carol Wright's catalogue (402 474-5174) has an electric moel repeller for

$7.95.





> Does anyone know how to make moles leave your yard?  I'm thinking about

> some humane way, not traps.

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 13:11:31 -0400

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From:         Marge King <MARGEKING@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Wheat allergy



It has been my experience and understanding that those who suffer from Wheat

Allergy will also (sooner or later) be allergic to the entire grass family.

  Rye, oats, barley, quinoa, spelt, and sometimes corn.  The only grains I

can tolerate are buckwheat, millett, and rice.  I can also use flour from

tapioca and the legumes (soy, garbanzo bean, etc.)  No potato flour either, I

am sensitive/allergic to the nightshade family .



Consequently, I order rice bread and tapioca bread from Ener-G Foods, Inc.

(1-800-331-5222). The bread is packaged in a way that keeps for months!  They

also have hundreds of recipies for allergic people.  Just tell them what you

are allergic to and they will computer-sort to find the correct combinations.





I also make my own pancakes and bake the leftover batter.  Will send the

recipie to anyone who has a need.



Nothing, repeat NOTHING takes the place of wheat for all around good taste

and texture, but you can get used to alternatives if you must.  I find that I

can sometimes "cheat" in the wintertime when the grass pollen subsides and

safely eat bread or pasta about once a week.



  MargeKing@AOL.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 13:09:27 -0700

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From:         "Georgann K. Cunney" <curious@AIMNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Candida

In-Reply-To:  <950704114516_25029113@aol.com>



Candida....I know about it all too well.  About yogurt, I'm not able

to consume even a bite.  I tried making some yogurt from soy milk.  It

actually tasted really nice.  I made a batch from a carton of soy milk

that I purchased (soy beans and filtered water only) and I also made

some from soy milk that I made.  They both turned out great.  But both

caused the same ol symptoms:(  The yogurt also makes a nice sorta cream

cheese, by hanging it in a cloth bag over the sink or a bowl for about

12 hours.  Hopefully I will be able to enjoy these and many other food

items (that cause a problem for me) some day!



One recipe that I have found to be very effective and helpful is raw

saltless sauerkraut from Paul Pitchford's book, "Healing With Whole Foods;

Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition".  It is very benificial for

restoring the intestinal flora by promoting the growth of healthful

Lactobacillus acidophilus.



I've been on a grain (mostly millet and quinoa, amaranth or brown basmati

rice) and vegetable (greens: kale, collard, cabbage,broccoli, dandelion,

parsley, some lettuce and carrots, sprouts, onions and lots of garlic).

Oh, and rolled oats are excellent, and good for stress.  Lately though

I'm trying a bean (aduki, black beans and lentils - I don't mix them)

and vegetable diet.  I can't seem to tell if the beans are more effectivee

or the grains.  I was thinking that maybe the carbohydrates might be

agrivating it.



Some seaweed is good.  I also drink various herb teas.  I pray for

the day that I can have a banana with breakfast, maybe a bagel, a fruit

smoothie after lunch, some tomatoes in my salad, a sandwich, a fresh

peach, even a piece of pie?, some home baked bread!... We'll see.



I'm all ears for any healthy holistic magic treatments!



Georgann



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 6 Jul 1995 22:42:25 CDT

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From:         David Oliver <doliver@MINERVA.POLARISTEL.NET>

Subject:      Japanese Knotweed



Roy Collins wrote:



>Also, I've been studying the growth habits of Japanese Knotweed (Conchleria

>dimoracia) and was wondering if the rapid-growing, magenta-colored, hollow

>stems might be of aid in the treatment of *clogged* arteries

>I know it is edible and fancy its relish its flavor in Spring. Does anyone

>here know if has been researched for medicinal use?



---------------



Here is an excerpt from Dr. Peter Gail's article on knotweed in the March/April 1994 issue

of The Business of Herbs:



Japanese knotweed belongs to the buckwheat family along with the docks and sorrels and has

the same acidy flavor as the rest of the group. It occurs on disturbed and waste sites,

vacant lots, and roadsides in dense, coarse stands 3 to 8 feet high. Its hollow, mottled

green stems, which look like they have been lightly dusted with fine white powder,

resemble bamboo and are divided into jointed sections. The joints or nodes are swollen,

and each is encased in a thin papery sheath. The hollow stalks form bamboo-like thickets

when they die and, like dried asparagus fronds, identify the young edible sprouts when

they appear in spring. Leaves are alternate, simple, roundly egg-shaped, pointed at their

tips, and 4 to 6 inches long. Tiny white flowers are produced in elongate branched

clusters in junctions of the upper leaves.



Japanese researchers who were investigating the plants used in ancient Oriental folk

remedies for blood disorders discovered that Japanese knotweed contains resveratol, a

chemical which has been found to lower "bad cholesterol" (LDL) while raising the "good

cholesterol" (HDL). This is the same chemical found in grape skins which keeps the French,

in spite of their rich, fat-filled diets, from suffering from cholesterol problems when

they consume modest amounts of red wine.



Both fruit and vegetable... Japanese knotweed is a delectable vegetable, and also can be

used as a rhubarb-like "fruit" in sauces, jams, and pies. Euell Gibbons was fascinated

with this plant, and many of the recipes available for it have come from his

experimentation.



Like asparagus, locate the papery dry stalks from the previous year and look among them

for the young shoots as they emerge in spring. Gather the young shoots up to a foot long

before the leaves start to unfurl to use like you would asparagus and up to 3 feet for use

in sauces, jams, and pies. Steam or boil the shoots in salted water for 3 to 5 minutes

until they are tender, and serve them on hot buttered toast or cold in salad with

mayonnaise. Their delicate acidity is enhanced with melted butter or margarine.





==========================================

David & Paula Oliver

Editors/Publishers, The Business of Herbs

Northwind Farm Publications

doliver@minerva.polaristel.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 7 Jul 1995 07:42:34 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Japanese Knotweed



On July 6, David & Paula Oliver wrote (about Japanese Knotweed):



>Japanese researchers who were investigating the plants used in ancient

Oriental

folk

remedies for blood disorders discovered that Japanese knotweed contains

resverat

ol, a

chemical which has been found to lower "bad cholesterol" (LDL) while raising

the

 "good

cholesterol" (HDL). This is the same chemical found in grape skins which keeps

t

he French,

in spite of their rich, fat-filled diets, from suffering from cholesterol

proble

ms when

they consume modest amounts of red wine.<



Roy Collins replies: Thanks for information--this may confirm some of what

my intuition has been telling me! Anything in your newsletter about the

medicinal use of alfalfa *root*? BTW: WHere can one pick up a copy of your

publication?  In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:46:53 CDT

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From:         Rose Sheridan <MULRSHER@MIZZOU1.BITNET>

Subject:      Re: Candida

In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 6 Jul 1995 13:09:27 -0700 from

              <curious@AIMNET.COM>



The best treatment I ever received for Candida albacans was from my Dr.

He gave me a sublingual homeopathic solution (Candex) that worked wonders.

Beginning with a strong dosage, and working down to a maintenance dosage,

I was symptom free in about 3 or 4 months.  Topping the list of problems I

stopped suffering from are: depression, PMS, and menstrual cramps.



In conjunction with the homeopathic solution, I took vitamin and mineral

supplements, and followed the diet in the book "The Yeast Connection."  I

don't remember the author's name right off the top of my head, but the book

is available in most libraries and bookstores.



Granted, the first few days of treatment on the irradication dosage of the

Candex knocked me on my b___, but getting my life back was worth it.



I recommend that anyone with a Candida problem check the book out.  The main

treatment recommended in the book is Nistatan (sp?).  I have a friend who

used it, and did not have the successful results I got with the sublingual

drops.



I would be interested in hearing from others who have fought the Candida

battle.  It is a life-long problem I think, but we can control it.



Rose Sheridan

mulrsher@mizzou1.missouri.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 7 Jul 1995 09:22:29 -0400

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From:         Susan Lowell <susan@LINUS.DC.LSOFT.COM>

Subject:      herbs for ADD?



Hi!

        Anyone aware of an herbal treatment for Attention Deficit

Disorder?  Conventional US medical approach is to treat it with Ritalin

 or dexidrine (speed) and sometimes Prozac or a similar seratonin

reabsorbtion adjuster.  I'm thinking of experimenting with Mate but would

like to avoid caffeine, which can be effective in itself (I do well on

coffe, but there is the danger of too much).  Any suggestions would be

welcome.





....s



My feelings and opinions--don't blame L-Soft



Susan Lowell

Communications and Marketing Coordinator

L-Soft, international, Inc.

susan@lsoft.com

--We license authentic LISTSERV(TM)--now available for unix and Windows NT



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 7 Jul 1995 08:48:29 -0700

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From:         LINDLEY Steven R <Steven.R.LINDLEY@STATE.OR.US>

Subject:      b/g algae, bladder/gyn problems, fibromyalgia

Comments: cc: "MAKELA Melladee L (Return requested)"

          <Melladee.L.MAKELA@state.or.us>



I've been on this list now for about two months....this is my first message

to the entire list.

I'm new to the herbal tradition and am very excited to hear so many

excellent insights

into the subject.  My brother works at an herb farm as well, so he has also

benefited much

from your help.



A coworker of mine has been taking b/g algae.  She has reported that it has

increased her

energy level.  She has fibromyalgia, and has been experiencing chronic

difficulties with

her bladder.



I have two questions:

1)  What are the effects of b/g algae on the body?

2)  Can you recommend any herbal remedies for bladder/gyn problems and

fibromyalgia?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 7 Jul 1995 12:40:54 -0500

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From:         Carolyn Anne Reid <careid@MED.CORNELL.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Jewelweed for Poison Ivy



>A local naturalist who does nature/foraging tours in the NYC area pointed

>out that Jewelweed will prevent poison ivy blisters after exposure. Break

>the stem and rub liquid on exposed skin. Jewelweed can be recongnized by

>the 1/2 to 1 inche black specled orange pods.



Do you mean "Wildman" Steve Brill? He gives great tour.



Also has published a book on foraging and preparation/use of wild plants,

including many "herbs". Very informative. Costs about $20. See full info

below, compliments of Library of Congress LOCIS on the WWW (URL:

http://lcweb.loc.gov/homepage/lchp.html).



Regards - - -

Carolyn

93-31796: Brill, Steve.  Identifying and harvesting edible and medicinal

     plants in wild (and not so wild) places /  1st ed.  New York : Hearst

     Books, c1994.  xii, 317 p. : ill. ; 28 cm.

     LC CALL NUMBER: QK98.5.U6 B75 1994



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 7 Jul 1995 12:47:55 -0500

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From:         Carolyn Anne Reid <careid@MED.CORNELL.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Candida



Georgann writes :

>

>One recipe that I have found to be very effective and helpful is raw

>saltless sauerkraut from Paul Pitchford's book, "Healing With Whole Foods;

>Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition".  It is very benificial for

>restoring the intestinal flora by promoting the growth of healthful

>Lactobacillus acidophilus.



Is the recipe short enough that you could send it to the list? I'd like to

try it. Hope so and thanks very much - - -

Carolyn



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:00:29 -0400

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From:         Conrad Richter <conrad@RICHTERS.COM>

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Richters HerbLetter 95/07/08

Comments: To: herb-list@richters.com



-----------------------   Richters Herbletter   ------------------------

   Published by:     Richters, Canada's Herb Specialists

                     Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada

   Editor:           Conrad Richter <conrad@richters.com>



                     *** Trial issue: feedback welcome ***

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Issue ID: 95/07/08 23:00 GMT



Contents

------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. A Few Words on the Herb of Mars

2. Gold Medal-Winning Aphids

------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. A Few Words on the Herb of Mars

------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Des Kennedy

   DENMAN ISLAND, BC, July 8, (Toronto) Globe and Mail -- July's arrival

means it's time to think about harvesting our garlic and to ponder again

one of the great mysteries of our era, namely: Why don't more gardeners

grow their own garlic?  It is so delightful in the doing and so enormously

rewarding that one could expect to see garlic curing and hanging in

elaborate braids at every turn.

   But no.  Most of the garlic eaten by Canadians is produced in California

or Mexico and comes with all the chemical inputs associated with big

agribusiness.  Its taste is mediocre and its shelf life short, despite

chemical treatment to prevent sprouting.  Perhaps most galling of all, this

erzatz garlic is an imposter debasing an otherwise magnificient history.

   A member of the lily family, garlic is one of humankind's most ancient

cultivated crops, prized over millennia for its culinary, medicinal and

magical properties.

   Chinese herbalists were prescribing it for various ailments more than

6,000 years ago.  Look to ancient India and Babylonia, to classical Greece

and Rome, and you find proof that the rise of civilization and the

cultivation of garlic go hand in hand.  The great pyramids were built on

garlic power.  It was renowned as the "herb of Mars," giving courage and

strength to Roman legions.  Not normally thought of as an aging playboy,

Aristophanes credits garlic juice with restoring masculine vigour.  Pliny

believed its "very powerful properties" could drive off snakes and

scorpions.  Transylvanian werewolves and vampires would cringe before a

clove.

   The Black Death and other plagues could gain no toehold where garlic

was eaten in abundance.  While consecutive civilizations rose, flourished

and fell away, a belief in the healing and protective potency of garlic

endured.

   Impeccable in its pedigree, garlic is exceptionally easy to cultivate,

harvest and store.   Most commonly grown are varieties of Allium sativum,

though the precise identities of different strains are often obscure.

Elephant garlic, Allium ampeloprasum, is actually a leek that produces a

mild-tasting bulb.

   The strain that has stood me in good stead for many years has a central

stalk around which the cloves are clustered.  This is typical of Chinese

and Yugoslavian garlic, while other strains have no stem through the bulb.

Whatever the names, one looks for a variety that will produce large cloves

that have easily removable skin and superior taste and texture.

   The largest cloves of the largest bulbs are retained as seed stock.

   They require a period of cold weather to sprout and then a good three

months to grow to maturity.  Spring planting may be required in areas of

extremely cold winters, but fall planting is ideal for full bulb production.

In colder areas a thick winter mulch will protect the new plants while

still allowing that critical burst of early spring growth.  Garlic likes

well-drained, sandy loam where no other onion family member has grown for

three years.  I usually spade several wheelbarrow loads of compost into the

raised bed before planting.

   Cloves are carefully separated so as to retain their skin and planted,

blunt end down, so that the pointed tip is just below the soil surface.

Planted in October, after the necessary month or so of cold weather, our

cloves often show new tips by Christmas, and continue growing through

winter warm spells.  I mulch the bed with the first grass clippings of

spring, and pretty much leave them alone after that.  Perhaps I'll give

them a splash of water in a dry spell.  Garlic particularly dislikes soggy

ground.

   Once the tops have yellowed or fallen over, the bulbs are lifted and

cured by hanging in a dry and semi-sunny spot for at least a few days.

Persons with time on their hands and creative impulses can braid the stalks

together to wonderful effect.  I just cut the stalks about 20 centimetres

above the bulb and tie clusters of them together with twine.  They're

stored in a cool, dry place, much like onions.

   Discarded tops can be scattered underneath rose bushes.  As companion

plants to roses, garlic helps deter pests and is said to enhance the

fragrance of the blooms.

   With long braids of garlic hanging in the pantry and fragrant roses

clustered all about, life in July can seem a glorious affair of

healthfuliness, courage and, where appropriate, restored masculine vigour.

   [Des Kennedy is the author of Crazy about Gardening (Whitecap Books).]



------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. Gold Medal-Winning Aphids

------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Conrad Richter

   The University of Florida's Department of Entomology and Nematology

has published a book of bug records.  Called the "Book of Insect Records,"

it is available over the Internet.  Check insect-related newsgroups for

information on where to obtain it.

   The pesky aphids, no stranger to gardeners, hold several records:

 * Shortest time to reproduce: 4.7 days (aphid, Rhopalosiphum prunifoliae)

 * Most resistant to pesticides: green peach aphid, resistant 71 synthetic

   chemicals.  The Colorado potato beetle is resistant to 37 and the

   diamondback moth 51.

   No wonder sales of the quintessential enemy of the aphid, the ladybug,

have soared in recent years.  Or, as Des kennedy recommends, garlic can

be used as a companion plant, chiefly for its reputed ability to repel

aphids.  Aphids are deadly on roses because they weaken plants and transmit

diseases.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

   Richters Herb Catalogue: 100 pages, colour, over 730 herb plants,

   seeds, and dried herbs.  Available for $2 ($4 outside N America).

   Order by email at catalog@richters.com.

------------------------------------------------------------------------



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:51:03 -0500

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: information - medicinal plants

In-Reply-To:  <1F9991EC4@darwin.ucpel.tche.br> from "JASPER JOSE ZANCO" at Jun

              7, 95 04:03:14 pm



Jasper Zanco wrote:>

>     I'm making a project of the research about medicinal plants

> (production - quality control, seeds research and biotecnology -

> tissue culture).

>     The research is realized in agreement with Federal University,

> Catholic University and Brasilian Undertaking of Agriculture and

> Cattle- Raising Research of Pelotas, RS, Brazil.

>     I need informations about some medicinal species.

>     The plants of the reserach are: Maytenus ilicifolia, Casearia

> sylvestris, Vernonia condensata, Cordia verbenacea, Ginkgo biloba,

> Aloisia trifolia, Bauhinia forficata, Jodina rombifolia, Taraxacum

> officinalis, Salvia officinalis and Echinodorus grandiflorus.

--

SOrry to post this to the whole list, but no direct address came through

on Jasper's message.



Jasper -- I suggest you contact Dr Nei Brito, who is head of the

pharmacology dept at the Univ. of Rio de Janeiro. He is extrememly

interested and knowledgeable about medicinal species in Brazil. In fact,

he authored a book about it. He's also a really nice guy and I think he'd

like to hear from you. Tell him I referred you.



Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 9 Jul 1995 16:26:43 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         HBirthAdv@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: Echinacea answers



in their

> tracks.  Our family takes Echinacea (tincture form for the children, and

> capsule and tincture form for adults depending on what we may have been

> exposed to as the tincture form seems to be stronger) routinely from

> September through May, and seldom do we get sick.  If we do pick up a bug,

I

> increase our dosage, and it greatly lessens the severity of the bug.  It

has

> wonderful immune system boosting qualities.

>

> Echinacea grows wild here (in midwestern USA), and I am growing it for the

> first time this year. It requires little care, and thrives in all kinds of

> conditions.  I normally have a brown thumb, but have had no trouble with

this

> herb.

>

> Kim

>

       > Although I know that many people use Echinacea continously >to

>avoid catching things I personally feel that Echinacea is abit more of >a

>immune stimulant than a immune booster at least with long term >use. That

>may seem like a subtle difference to some, but what that translates >into

>,for me is that I think of Echinacea as a surface acting secretion

>stimulator

>not a builder of deeper levels of immunity which I feel is better

>obtained thru use of mild tonics keyed to weak points in the >individuals

>constitution. I like to save Echinacea for those emergency times, or

>perhaps when you've been exposed to something serious.

       > Colette Gardiner



I'm sorry I missed the active discussion about this topic, as I was having

modem difficulties and unable to connect.  I would be most interested in

doing some additional reading on this subject.  I too, have heard that

Echinacea is suppose to lose its effectiveness if taken over a long period of

time, but have never found this to be the case personally.  I have also been

told to take it for 2 weeks, then take a break for 2 weeks, and then back on

for 2.



I would be interested in any additional info anyyone can pass along.  What

have other's experiences been like, and what books or articles should I read?



Thanks,

Kim



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 09:35:46 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "John L. Dettling" <dettling@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Grape Seed

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%95070717025188@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



I finally heard about the wonders of grape seed extract.  Was wondering

if anyone on the list has tried it and would care to comment on it?  The

stuff sure is expensive.



 + John



??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

        John L. Dettling, Jr.   dettling@tenet.edu      Louise, Texas

      "Humans are the only animals with a need for toilet tissue."  jld

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 18:03:09 +0000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Richters HerbLetter 95/07/08 Reply



"Most of the garlic eaten by Canadians is produced in California

or Mexico and comes with all the chemical inputs associated with big

agribusiness.  Its taste is mediocre and its shelf life short, despite

chemical treatment to prevent sprouting.  Perhaps most galling of all, this

erzatz garlic is an imposter debasing an otherwise magnificient history."



Our local supermarket had some garlic from California recently (from Gillroy?).

I thought it was beut! (oops that oz slang for real good). Very hot and strong.

Its shelf life must have been OK to get here 12,000 miles away.

Is Chinese Garlic any better?

Why would you need to put chemicals on garlic?

Is this journalistic hyperbolie?





Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 7 Jul 1995 20:23:52 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Francine Krasowska <madrobin@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Herpes & tea tree oil



I have been following this thread with great interest. What, exactly,

is meant by an "energetic suppressant"?



Is Paul Iannone saying that suppressing symptoms is somehow different

from treating the sufferer? If everyone accepts that herpes is not

permanently curable, then wouldn't the next-best goal be that of

permanently suppressing the symptoms? If, however, as Roni wrote (I

think), people can be free of symptoms and still infectious, then it

would seem to me that Paul & Roni are basically saying the same thing

(though perhaps for different reasons).



Are you two (and others who may treat patients with this ailment)

opposed, then, to such conventional-medicine treatments as acyclovir,

which in many cases suppresses the symptoms?



Francine K.

madrobin@ix.netcom.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:22:38 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Four shareware herbals



I found four interesting Herbal programs on a mirror of wuarchive.

Unfortunately I can't locate them again for people who requested the ftp

directory.

If you would like to look over these shareware programs you will be able

to find can them uuencoded in alt.binaries.misc. sometime after midnight

Eastern time USA.  Perhaps someone with more influence could find a permanent

ftp location for these files, It seems that most places don't like anonymous

sending of files, as can be easily understood.

If you know of any other sources of computer Herbals please let me know.

Thanks,

Brian

Here is a list of descriptions  or diz'es of the programs:

Herbage1.zip

WHAT IS HERBAGE?

----------------

In Herbage for Dos v1.0, you can search through a database that contains

information on the traditional uses of 262 plants. The registered version

1.1 of this program searches a database of 662 plants. The database of plant

information used by Herbage for DOS v1.1 may be the largest on-line source

of information about traditional plant uses available today. It was assembled

over a two year period from many different herbals, edible plant guides,

botanical medicine guides, native plant use guides, as well as current

periodicals and on-line sources.



herbp21.zip

HERB POWER v2.0

The ultimate guide to the power of herbs.

This Spectacular, colorful, and user friendly

program will teach what you need to know about

natures medicines, and how it will effect

your live. Among the many features you'll

discover is a full description of each herb.

This includes cultivation, cooking, medical

uses with the latest research findings and

remedies, beauty secrets, and other herb uses.

Fully illustrated, and additional information

on preserving herbs and making of herb medicine.

Req. Vga color monitor, mouse, and hard drive.



hph2.zip

HEALING POWERS OF HERBS

The  most  comprehensive guide  to  the healing

power of herbs. This Spectacular, colorful, and

user  friendly program will teach what you need

to know about natures medicines, and how it can

effect  your  health. Among  the  many features

you'll  discover the latest scientific research

and  treatments for numerous health conditions.

This  program provides the information you need

to  use  herbs  confidently,  effectively,  and

above  all,  safely. You  also  find additional

information  on preserving herbs  and making of

herb  preparations.  Req.  Vga  color  monitor,

mouse, and hard drive.



medherb1.zip

THE ILLUSTRATED MEDICAL HERBAL ENCYCLOPEDIA

All the medical herbal knowledge you need at

your fingertips! Full color illustrations,

detail descriptions, match herbs to ailments.

Registered version comes with 200+ Wholesale

Herb Sources to save up to 80% on all herbal

purchases!





p.s.

    Herbage is a little unstable, it occasionaly locks up and nothing

 short of a reboot will get you out of it. Nevertheless it is the most

 complete of the programs,  if not as  pretty.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 7 Jul 1995 19:02:51 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: hypoglycemia



I was diagnosed with hypoglycemia 20 years ago. I have tried many treatments

to "cure" this condition. All I have discovered is that I must watch my

diet carefully. I don't eat anything with added sugar and eat a lot of

complex carbohydrates. Taking B vitamine complex or brewers yeast is

helpful. I haven't found an herb that makes any significant difference.

Diet works. Don't eat a lot of fruit, especially very sweet fruit and if you

do follow it within an hour with high protein or whole grains.

At any rate, abolish sugar from your diet and you will see a great improvement

in your energy and overall wellness. Drink lots of water too.

My symptoms have improved greatly and I think that my pancreas has shown

signs of healing but i AVOID SUGAR LIKE THE PLAGUE.

Eat frequent small meals and stay away from fat, salt and sugar. You will find

that you will crave all these things but you must resist to have good

results. Cravings will subside but will take a long time to go away.

It's simple but it works.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 07:45:08 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: herbs for ADD?



On July 7, Susan Lowell wrote:



>

        Anyone aware of an herbal treatment for Attention Deficit

Disorder?  Conventional US medical approach is to treat it with Ritalin

 or dexidrine (speed) and sometimes Prozac or a similar seratonin

reabsorbtion adjuster.<



Roy Collins replies:  One of the best approaches for curing ADD is to avoid

eating excessive amounts of protein and to consume more complex carbohydrates,

such as whole grains and vegetables. Excess protein increases the amounts oof

dopamine and norepenephrine in the brain. These are the two excitatory neuro-

transmitters that causes edginess. The complex carbohydrates increases the

amount of seratonin in the brain, which have an overall calming effect.

Simple sugars (sucrose) and tropical fruits (including coffee) should be

avoided as much as possible, and chemically treated foods, and all additives

should also be avoided. Chamomile tea can be given as a strong infusion 3 times

per day.



I have also heard of good results for ADD with megavitamin therapy, but I

am unfamilar with the exact mechanism of this. A structured environment

and structured activities are two other measures that should be taken (parent

interaction, rewards, exra atttention, one-on-one dealings.) Try to avoid

all drugs, especially Ritalin and stimulants (methylphenidate) when stress

the organs in the body by forcing them to their extreme (forcing tiredness)

and have unpleasant side effects such as sleep disturbances, headache, stomach

pain, and stunted growth.



If you have further questions you can post them to me privately. In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 08:38:07 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: b/g algae, bladder/gyn problems, fibromyalgia



On July 7, Steven Lindley posted questions on B/G algae and Fibromyalggia. The

orginal post was accidently deleted, but based upon memory, Roy Collins

replies:



Roy Collins replies: B/G algae (aphanizomenon Flos-Aquae, Spirolina sp.s. etc)

are nutrient dense whole food that contains an enormous amount of vitamins,

minerals and chlorophyll, as well as B-12 and Beta Carotene. It is fully

assimilated by the body and is indicated for chronic malnutrition, diabetes,

anemia, liver disease, allergies, pancreatitis, ulcers, chemotherapy recovery,

senility and heavy metal poisoning. One might callB/G nature's best *vitamin

pill*  I have heard from one source, however, that an excessive amount of B/G

can lead to diarrhea. It is probably the least implicated medicinal known, and

most abundant (growing mainly in lakes and the ocean.)



Fibromyalgia is an inflammation of the muscles, muscle sheaths and connective

tissue. Fatigue and sudden, painful muscle spasams indicate that it is an

extreme Yin disorder, and pain invariably increases when exposed to cold or

dampness. Avoidance of acid-forming foods and simple sugars will help as well

as the total avoidance of alcohol, vinegar, drugs and chemically treated foods,

food additives, and a decrease in liquid consumption in general. Adopting a

whole grain/vegetable based diet with small amount buckwheat would be very

helpful. The problem with the bladder is most likely caused by the same Yin

(expansive) products, yet I would like to know of the specifics (excess

urination, diminished urination, dark color urine, light color, pain, etc.?)



External relief for muscle pain can be derived from warm, moist heat,

especially ginger, mustard or castor oil compresses.  White willow

bark, quaking aspen bark, white birch bark and cramp bark can also

be taken in decoction form--all are analgesic and help in reducing inflam-

mation.  Drink three times daily, i/2 hour before meals. Valerian root

tea can also be helpful when sleep is disturbed by pain.  Let me know if

you have additional questions.  In peace, Roy.



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 16:09:37 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "LIST Roni L. Evilla" <CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Herbal Tinctures



I regularly use herbal tinctures in my practice.  Many of the ones I use are

those that I have wildcrafted and made myself but as my knowledge grows I

have included some herbs that do not grow locally and so I have used

commercial tinctures from whole foods stores.  So I would like to ask those

experienced in the use of tinctures if they have noticed any difference in

the effectiveness of tinctures based  on what they are tinctured in.  I

always make tinctures with 100 proof grain alchohol but most of the

commercially prepared are made from glycerine.  I wonder if glycerine is

absorbed as quickly.  I personally dislike the flavor and consistency

difference and have found that I personally respond better to the tincture

made with alchohol. Has anyone else noticed this?  It is important in my work

that the tinctures I use get absorbed and work as quickly as possible.



Blessings

Roni



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:20:49 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Tinctures



I use a lot of tincutres also.  I find that the ladies do not like to use the

ones with alcohol as well because it burns their tongues.  I have no

knowledge chemically as to whether one absorbs faster or better than the

other.  I never noticed much difference when the tinctures started being

based in glycerine, except that the ladies would take it easier.



Deb Phillips

Licensed Midwife



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 11:16:51 -0500

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Laura Wilder (by way of mefunk@med.cornell.edu Mark Funk by way

              of careid@med.cornell.edu Carolyn Anne Reid)"

              <wilder@MEDCAT.LIBRARY.SWMED.EDU>

Subject:      Gelonium Multiflorum



To all,



Can anyone give any info on this plant? Specifically she would like to know

the common name. I'm forwarding this inquiry from another listserv. You can

reply to this list, to me, or directly to the requester (name, address at

bottom). Thanks for any help you can give. If you have resources to cite

that would be appreciated. Thanks very much - - -

Carolyn

---Carolyn Anne Reid, Cornell Medical Library, New York City

---Phone: 212-746-6069 ---- Fax: 212-746-6494

---E-mail: careid@med.cornell.edu



==============original msg===============

Please help me with the common name of this plant/fruit. I have a client

who wants to obtain some of this plant which is "not cultivated widely

outside of its native habitat in the tropical forests of eastern Asia."

(Gene. 134(2):223-7, 1993)  An alternative name is euphorbiaceae

himalaya.  I've tried agricultural and biological databases with no luck and

I don't have any "serious" botanical dictionaries. Thanks for any help

you can give me.





Laura Wilder

U TX Southwestern Medical Center Library

Internet:wilder@medcat.library.swmed.edu

Voice:214/648-3518

Fax:214/648-2826



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:17:14 CDT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         david306@CLUBHOUSE.EMAIL.NET

Subject:      Red Wine



For anything which red wine is supposed to help, grape juice

may be used with the same result.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 9 Jul 1995 22:12:43 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Donna Semel <Esme3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      High Cholestrol



 A while back I was using  an acidophilus  supplement on a regular basis to

help control frequent yeast infections. I happened to have my cholestrol

tested at that time, and it was 119 (I had never even heard of someone having

that low a number)! Some time after that I read somewhere(possibly Natural

Health magazine) that acidophilus can lower  cholestrol.Can anyone comment?

Esme3@AOL.Com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 17:35:01 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         John Wilkinson <JOHN11@MDX.AC.UK>

Organization: Middlesex University



reveiw



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 17:39:58 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Red Wine

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <9507101017.S350179824@clubhouse.email.net> on 7/10/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: For anything which red wine is supposed to help, grape juice

: may be used with the same result.



Hate to be the eternal naysayer, but that is wrong. Wine has specific

energetics that are vastly different than grape juice. For one thing, wine

Moves Blood (relieves pain), which grape juice doesn't.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 17:40:52 GMT

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Richters HerbLetter 95/07/08 Reply

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199507100759.RAA08491@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> on 7/10/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: "Most of the garlic eaten by Canadians is produced in California

: or Mexico and comes with all the chemical inputs associated with big

: agribusiness.  Its taste is mediocre and its shelf life short,

: despite chemical treatment to prevent sprouting.  Perhaps most

: galling of all, this erzatz garlic is an imposter debasing an

: otherwise magnificient history."

:

: Our local supermarket had some garlic from California recently (from

: Gillroy?). I thought it was beut! (oops that oz slang for real

: good). Very hot and strong. Its shelf life must have been OK to get

: here 12,000 miles away. Is Chinese Garlic any better?

: Why would you need to put chemicals on garlic?

: Is this journalistic hyperbolie?



Gilroy is a huge agribusiness center, true, but I have never noticed the

supermarket garlic NOT sprouting, or ever noticed the local salsa as lacking

plenty of garlicky taste. Sounds like a competitor. BTW, there is Organic

garlic available in California, and it also tastes good.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 17:40:34 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Herpes & tea tree oil

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199507080323.UAA08563@ix3.ix.netcom.com> on 7/7/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Is Paul Iannone saying that suppressing symptoms is somehow different

: from treating the sufferer?



Suppression may be defined as non-cure with disappearance of symptoms. It is

contrasted to cure--disappearance of symptoms permanently with

non-transmissability, whether the virus remains or not. Cure is also

characterized by an upwelling of wellbeing in areas of the life considered

outside the effect of  'the virus' (increased emotional and mental freedom).

By contrast, suppression has a subjective dullness associated with it.



: If everyone accepts that herpes is not

: permanently curable, then wouldn't the next-best goal be that of

: permanently suppressing the symptoms?



I don't agree that the speculation that the virus remains means anything

relative to cure. I believe that cure in the terms described above is

possible in many cases and actual. If cure is not available, yes, suppression

of symptoms is all that can be sought. However, suppression with mild means

should be distinguished from suppression with harsh means. Mild means

involves the acceptance of some chronic pain, even severe pain, to spare the

inner workings of the person as much as possible. This is an existential

trial, one that our society no longer appreciates unless it is undertaken in

sacrifice for family or country.



Harsh suppression is in many ways flight from crisis (actually a hunt for an

empty, painless, existential space, so it is not surprising that what is

found is numbness. Spirit is not equivalent to painlessness, just as Life

cannot be reduced to the search for illnesslessness). This kind of 'moral'

consideration is an important factor--lost in the clinical nonresponsibility

of reductively conceptualizing illness as technological war with microscopic

invaders, where the only issue is sophistication of the warhead.



: If, however, as Roni wrote (I

: think), people can be free of symptoms and still infectious, then it

: would seem to me that Paul & Roni are basically saying the same

: thing (though perhaps for different reasons).



Being free of symptoms (related symptoms: conventional medicine is so

isolative that the development of emotional or mental symptoms after powerful

suppression like Acyclovir is essentially ignored) is not cure. Cure would

inherently involve non-transmissability.



: Are you two (and others who may treat patients with this ailment)

: opposed, then, to such conventional-medicine treatments as acyclovir,

: which in many cases suppresses the symptoms?

:

: Francine K.



Yes!



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 13:07:34 -0700

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From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Suppression (was Re: Herpes & tea tree oil)

In-Reply-To:  <1615892287.53577235@pop.com>



On Mon, 10 Jul 1995, Paul Iannone wrote:



> Suppression may be defined as non-cure with disappearance of symptoms. It is

> contrasted to cure--disappearance of symptoms permanently with

> non-transmissability, whether the virus remains or not. Cure is also

> characterized by an upwelling of wellbeing in areas of the life considered

> outside the effect of  'the virus' (increased emotional and mental freedom).

> By contrast, suppression has a subjective dullness associated with it.



Paul,



Say that an illness has been suppressed... is there any way to cure it

while it is suppressed, or must it manifest again first?  Let me give you

an example.  I have always had problems with my ears, since I was a

child.  In the last few years, I've had some serious ear infections in my

left ear, but, as in the past, I resorted to antibiotics and analgesics.



My problem is that my ear still *bothers* me... it feels funny.  I get a

sensation of tightness deep inside of it, and some tingling.  It's also

sore; the pressure of rinsing out the ear canal in the shower can be felt

in the walls of the ear canal as a sensation similar to a "sore muscle"

feeling.  On top of all of that, when I hear loud sounds with the left

ear, there is a distinct vibratory "buzz" reminiscent of a stereo speaker

with a loose paper cone... or like the buzz one hears from the tissue

paper of a kazoo.



I went to an ear expert, who did EEGs while I listened to different

tones, and the conclusion was that I had nothing wrong with my hearing.

Not much help there.  Examination of my ears reveals that everything is

intact.  Then I went to an acupuncturist, who told me that the muscles

around my ear were tight and relaxed them.  This did some good initially

(I felt small bursts of heat in my ear for several days after the first

treatment, and a greater sense of well-being), but subsequent treatments

didn't make any more progress.



Which brings me back to the question of suppression.  I think that

whatever is wrong with my ear has gone in deep.  Deeper, perhaps, than is

easily accessible by acupuncture or herbs (I've tried a few things, and

noticed no effects).  What does one do when an energetic pattern like

this becomes so deeply ingrained?  Should I try to get it to express

itself, and then treat it in a non-suppressive manner?  (The idea of that

is pretty frightening, I must admit, given the severity of the pain I've

experienced from earaches.)  Or can I treat it as it is, without

"bringing it to the surface"?



Peter L. Schuerman                              plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 18:12:05 -0400

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From:         "LIST Roni L. Evilla" <CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herpes & tea tree oil



Dear Francine,

I feel that the ultimate decision regarding treatment is a personal choice to

be made by an informed sufferer.  I am no opposed to the use of acyclovir

however, it is not proven safe for use in pregnancy.  My major interest is in

therapes that may reduce the liklihood of viral shedding and outbreak as both

are dangerouse to the unborn.  Paul and I are not saying the same thing.  If

a person believes themselves to be cured they would no longer feel a need to

protect themselves and their loved ones from the infectious process.  This

could be fatal to an unborn child.  Suppression of symptoms and true cure are

not the same thing. Carriers can be asymptomatic and be infectious to

partners and children at the same time.  I would not consider this cured even

if there were no symptoms.  I hope this clarifies my position on the issue.

 I am not intersted in further discussing the mysterious "cure" as I do not

believe it exists.  In the Chicago area we have a number of classical

homeopaths who are very well respected and experienced in their feilds.  They

unanimously agree that homeopathy can be useful to the herpes sufferer but

none claim a cure is available.  Homeopathic remedies are chosen based on a

symptom picture and are themselves a treatment or suppression of symptoms.

 Both herbal remedies and homeopathic remedies can be used to strengthen the

body and especially the immune system which can go a long way at keeping the

dreaded virus at the base of the spine and in a dormant state.  Visualization

can also be helpful.  I have had good success with herbal immune builders and

pregnant women.  Outbreaks can be very painful and so when they happen I see

no reason not to offer relief remeies.



Blessings

Roni



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 00:12:45 +0200

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From:         Nigel Wynn <wynn@CIRAD.FR>

Subject:      cade



Does anyone know where I can find a downloadable image of cade

(Juniperus oxycedrus)? and/or of mediterranean medicinal plants in

general ? thanks

Nigel



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 07:19:08 +0000

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Comments:     Authenticated sender is <barryg@aug.com>

From:         Barry Glick <barryg@AUG.COM>

Subject:      Gotu Kola, Gingko



Hi!   Does anyone know a good source of Gotu Kola and Gingko Biloba?

By good, I mean potent, fresh.



Also, does anyone know if the claims that blood root (sanguinaria

canadnesis) prevents the formation of plaque?  I know they use it in

a popular mouth wash (Viadent?).  Any one using it for that purpose?

Can you give me a good source?



Barry



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:43:52 +0000

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: hypoglycemia



>I was diagnosed with hypoglycemia 20 years ago. I have tried many treatments

>to "cure" this condition. All I have discovered is that I must watch my

>diet carefully. I don't eat anything with added sugar and eat a lot of

>complex carbohydrates. Taking B vitamine complex or brewers yeast is

>helpful. I haven't found an herb that makes any significant difference.

>Diet works. Don't eat a lot of fruit, especially very sweet fruit and if you

>do follow it within an hour with high protein or whole grains.

>At any rate, abolish sugar from your diet and you will see a great improvement

>in your energy and overall wellness. Drink lots of water too.

>My symptoms have improved greatly and I think that my pancreas has shown

>signs of healing but i AVOID SUGAR LIKE THE PLAGUE.

>Eat frequent small meals and stay away from fat, salt and sugar. You will find

>that you will crave all these things but you must resist to have good

>results. Cravings will subside but will take a long time to go away.

>It's simple but it works.



Above is great advice but also have some food allergy and or intolerance

tests. Support the adrenal glands.





Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:44:30 +0000

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: Gotu Kola, Gingko



>Hi!   Does anyone know a good source of Gotu Kola and Gingko Biloba?

>By good, I mean potent, fresh.

Grow them. They are very easy plants to grow.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 10:59:53 +0000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Messages?



Can anyone tell me why sometimes I get copies of my messages sent to me by

list server and other times I don'T?

thanks



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 21:36:24 -0400

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From:         Michael Novar <mnovo@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Saw Palmetto

In-Reply-To:  <199507110056.KAA07920@oznet02.ozemail.com.au>



I need information about Saw Palmetto.  Any information available would

be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Mike



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lab facility - send us your seed capsules for flasking - *Order* our

Flask Bulletin - Orchid Planting Supply Catalog -via email - NATIVE

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 10 Jul 1995 22:46:59 -0400

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From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Lactuca (Wild Lettuce) Preparation



I ran across several wild lettuce plants in the sandy flood plain of a

small river. Does anyone know a good way to prepare the leaves and milky

sap?

I don't want to destroy the plants which are just coming into flower, I

thought I'd take a small sample from several plants. I haven't touched

them yet, except to pinch a leaf to observe the sap turn from white to

reddish brown on my fingertip as it dried.



I had considered wiping the sap or juice onto a glass plate, then

scraping it together after it dried. I'm not sure how to handle the leaves.

Any suggestions on preparation and administration would be appreciated.



                        Thanks,

                        Brian



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 9 Jul 1995 17:34:32 +0000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: HELP- BRAIN TUMOR



Have you talked to:

 1.orthomolecular specialist

2.psychologist/psychiatrist who deals in visualistion etc to mobilise

psychological defences.

3. herbalist for immune system support

4. Clinical ecologist may be helpful.



Sometimes illnesses can be performing a "useful" (!?) function in the

family. See work of English psychologist and family threapist R.D. Lang



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:04:50 +0000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: herbs for ADD?



>Hi!

>        Anyone aware of an herbal treatment for Attention Deficit

>Disorder?



Is there an alergy connection with ADD?

Michael TFG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:05:03 +0000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: hypoglycemia



I thing hypoglycemia is sometimes  caused by food alergies/intolerances

;causing stress to adrenals



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:05:10 +0000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: hypoglycemia



I thing hypoglycemia is sometimes  caused by food alergies/intolerances

;causing stress to adrenals. Treat immune system; check allergies and see

what happens.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:03:23 +0000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Slug slime syrup, translation of the recipe



Thanks Henriette.

 Slugs may have much to teach us.

Macquarie university in Sydney have found a whole new class of antibiotic

and anti fungal agents from ants and frog slime



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:04:16 +0000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Eczema



>

>My son seems to be allergic to cow's milk (it causes stomach cramps and

>diahhrea), so I have greatly decreased his intake of milk.  He also seems

>to have allergies to airborne substances like pollen or mold.

need some lifestyle changes see alternative practitioner and discuss. do

not eat anything from cow including hamburgers. Build up immune system.

treat symtoms with comfrey Ointment.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:04:23 +0000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Eczema



>

>My son seems to be allergic to cow's milk (it causes stomach cramps and

>diahhrea), so I have greatly decreased his intake of milk.  He also seems

>to have allergies to airborne substances like pollen or mold.

need some lifestyle changes- see alternative practitioner and discuss.- do

not eat anything from cow including hamburgers.- Build up immune system.-

treat symtoms with comfrey Ointment.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"Though we name the things we know, we do not necessarily know them because

we name them."   Homer W, Smith.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 06:39:14 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Suppression (was Re: Herpes & tea tree oil)

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <Pine.SOL.3.91.950710124521.24963A-100000@bullwinkle> on

7/10/95, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Then I went to an acupuncturist, who told me that the muscles

: around my ear were tight and relaxed them.  This did some good initially

: (I felt small bursts of heat in my ear for several days after the

: first treatment, and a greater sense of well-being), but subsequent

: treatments didn't make any more progress.

:

: Which brings me back to the question of suppression.  I think that

:tever is wrong with my ear has gone in deep.  Deeper, perhaps,

: than is easily accessible by acupuncture or herbs (I've tried a few

: things, and noticed no effects).  What does one do when an energetic

: pattern like this becomes so deeply ingrained?  Should I try to get

: it to express itself, and then treat it in a non-suppressive manner?

:  (The idea of that is pretty frightening, I must admit, given the

: severity of the pain I've experienced from earaches.)  Or can I

: treat it as it is, without "bringing it to the surface"?

:

: Peter L. Schuerman



No, I wouldn't get all worked up. Indeed, antibiotics often leave residuals,

but these do not require suppression theory to understand. I've never heard

of the particular idea your acupuncturist came up with--why don't you try and

get a real diagnosis from someone else?



The ears are the 'sprout' of the Kidneys, so problems in the ears often have

Kidney issues underlyingly. That it is the left ear suggests Yin Depletion.

Do you feel overly warm in the afternoon and evening? Proper herbal therapy

to Cool the Kidneys and Relieve the ear, like Er long Zuo Ci Wan (Pill for

Deafness which is Kind to the Left Kidney), will probably clear this up.



You DO NOT need to suffer excessively to get well in this case.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 06:38:13 GMT

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Subject:      Re: Herpes & tea tree oil

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <950710180657_111872711@aol.com> on 7/10/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



:  I am not intersted in further discussing the mysterious "cure" as I

: do not believe it exists.  In the Chicago area we have a number of

: classical homeopaths who are very well respected and experienced in

: their fields.



Sure, sure, Los Angeles has lots of 'classical' homeopaths, too--so many that

I can nearly count the real traditional homeopaths in this COUNTRY on my

hands. They are few. There are many in LA who claim to be--and not ONE is.



: They unanimously agree that homeopathy can be useful

: to the herpes sufferer but none claim a cure is available.



Not a classical view--so they are speaking their own misgivings about their

practice.



: Homeopathic remedies are chosen based on a symptom picture and are

: themselves a treatment or suppression of symptoms.



NO. Homeopathic agents that are simillimum are curative--they are not

suppressive, since they both mimic the illness state to the vital force and

disappear--instantaneously! There is nothing left to be suppressant.



:  Both herbal remedies and homeopathic remedies can be used to

: strengthen the body and especially the immune system which can go a

: long way at keeping the dreaded virus at the base of the spine and

: in a dormant state.



Homeopathic meds don't strengthen the body or the immune system. They act to

tune the vital force's reaction to illness. When that strengthens the immune

system by enhancing wellbeing, it is a side-benefit of being well. Using the

concept of the immune system is like using the concept of a virus--isolative,

misleading, and biased to conventional presumptions about health and life.



: Visualization can also be helpful.  I have had

: good success with herbal immune builders and pregnant women.

: Outbreaks can be very painful and so when they happen I see no

: reason not to offer relief remedies.

:

: Blessings

: Roni



Herbals, properly chosen, qualify as mild suppression of symptoms. If cure

cannot be attained, that is quite an acceptable solution.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 13:20:18 -0400

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From:         Bob Wildfong <bobw@CSG.UWATERLOO.CA>

Subject:      Re: Red Wine

In-Reply-To:  <61406.53577109@pop.com>; from "Paul Iannone" at Jul 10,

              95 1:39 pm



>

> In message ID <9507101017.S350179824@clubhouse.email.net> on 7/10/95,

> HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

> : For anything which red wine is supposed to help, grape juice

> : may be used with the same result.

>

> Hate to be the eternal naysayer, but that is wrong. Wine has specific

> energetics that are vastly different than grape juice. For one thing, wine

> Moves Blood (relieves pain), which grape juice doesn't.

>

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Wouldn't red grape juice (made by pressing red grapes, skins and all) contain

the same compounds found in grape skins which make red wine beneficial?



My understanding is that red wine has certain health advantages over white wine

due to the fact that it is made with the skins intact, whereas the skins are

removed to make white wine.



It seems to me, therefore, that red grape juice and for that matter, raw grapes

should provide the same benefits.  Or is there something in the fermentation

which changes the relevant compounds?





BTW, could you explain what you mean by "Moves Blood"?  Whisky relieves pain

too, but I don't think that's what you mean.  Unless you ARE referring to the

alcoholic properties of wine, in which case I agree that wine and grape juice

have different effects.





Bob Wildfong                                       bobw@csg.uwaterloo.ca

Waterloo, Ontario



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:19:48 -0700

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: hypoglycemia

In-Reply-To:  <199507060702.DAA19072@jax.jaxnet.com>



On Thu, 6 Jul 1995, mozart wrote:



> >Does anyone know of a treatment for hypoglycemia ?  I read of safflower

> >being used but I don't know the method.  Does anyone know of the procedure,

> >or another herb ?

> >Thanks in advance

> >Mike

> >(einstein@aztec.asu.edu)

> >

> I believe Dandelion root tea has been used (or Raspberry leaf...)

> and I've read the root has lots of vitamins and potassium and

> insulin as well as sugar so please read a few sources before trying!

>

> ...and somewhere recently I read there's conflicting reports about

> Catharanthus roseus, Tropical Periwinkle - it worked for hypoglycemia

> in one animal but didn't help another type of animal??? (Yukkkk!!)

> I don't recall seeing anywhere that it's been tested on humans.

> Anyway, it is also reported to be immuno-suppressing, I've seen that

> in a few references.

>

> I looked up safflower in Rodale's and it doesn't mention any medicinal info,

> Lust reports it to be diaphoretic and diuretic and used to sooth hysteria.

>

> Incidentally, my brother has Functional Hypoglycemia (FH) - for 14 years he has

> managed his very well with diet/nutrition. He turned into a pretty great guy,

> too, after changing his eating habits! He didn't do well at first with the plans

> from the doctor, but he went to a nutritionist after 3 months and within

> a week he was free of symptoms he had suffered for four years.

>

> Hope this info will be of some use.

>

> Christy D.

> mozart@jax.jaxnet.com

>

Hi Dandelion root contains inulin not insulin, a big difference.

  Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 12:37:01 -0700

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Tinctures

In-Reply-To:  <950708160934_110610726@aol.com>



On Sat, 8 Jul 1995, LIST Roni L. Evilla wrote:



> I regularly use herbal tinctures in my practice.  Many of the ones I use are

> those that I have wildcrafted and made myself but as my knowledge grows I

> have included some herbs that do not grow locally and so I have used

> commercial tinctures from whole foods stores.  So I would like to ask those

> experienced in the use of tinctures if they have noticed any difference in

> the effectiveness of tinctures based  on what they are tinctured in.  I

> always make tinctures with 100 proof grain alchohol but most of the

> commercially prepared are made from glycerine.  I wonder if glycerine is

> absorbed as quickly.  I personally dislike the flavor and consistency

> difference and have found that I personally respond better to the tincture

> made with alchohol. Has anyone else noticed this?  It is important in my work

> that the tinctures I use get absorbed and work as quickly as possible.

>

> Blessings

> Roni

>

Hello, As a tincture maker I find that glycerine does not extract as

full  a range of the chemical constituents as alcohol does. Also the

shelf life seems to be shorter. It's important to keep in mind that every

method you use to extract medicines has it's shortcomings as well as it's

advantages.

                Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:47:15 CDT

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From:         David Oliver <doliver@MINERVA.POLARISTEL.NET>

Subject:      The Business of Herbs



Roy Collins wrote on July 7th:

>Anything in your newsletter about the medicinal use of alfalfa *root*? B=

TW: Where can one

>pick up a copy of your publication? =





Thanks for asking. To date, we have had nothing on alfalfa root. Here is =

the info on our

publication:



The Business of Herbs is a bimonthly trade journal for people in the herb=

 and specialty

horticulture industry as well as individual herb enthusiasts. We have art=

icles on growing,

marketing, successful businesses, sources and resources, and research on =

medicinal herbs.

We try to have something for everyone.



It=92s available by subscription. The cost is $20/year ($US23, Canada and=

 Mexico; $US28,

elsewhere).



Send subscription orders or requests for more information to:

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David & Paula Oliver

Editors/Publishers, The Business of Herbs

Northwind Farm Publications

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:23:52 CDT

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From:         David Oliver <doliver@MINERVA.POLARISTEL.NET>

Subject:      Wine vs grape juice, alcohol vs. glycerin



There has been some discussion in the group concerning alcohol vs. glycer=

in for tincturing

and grape juice vs. wine.



When making tinctures, alcohol and glycerin are not equivalent. Generally=

, alcohol simply

works better, extracting more of the important chemicals from the raw pla=

nt material.

There are exceptions, of course, but most makers of extracts find this to=

 be true for most

of their products.



The reason for using glycerin rather than alcohol for tincturing is that =

many people

consider alcohol to be a harmful or unnatural substance. As with virtuall=

y anything else,

it can be harmful if overused or abused. Consumption in small quantity ha=

s been shown to

benefit health in a number of ways. And, of course, alcohol occurs in nat=

ure; that=92s how

we humans learned to make it millennia ago.



The grape juice and wine question seems obvious. Grape juice and wine are=

 very different

substances. The wine has undergone modification through the action of yea=

st; it now has

alcohol and less sugar, with many other subtle changes. Substances solubl=

e in alcohol are

mobilized. One would certainly expect the actions to be different.



- David



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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

David & Paula Oliver

Editors/Publishers, The Business of Herbs

Northwind Farm Publications

doliver@minerva.polaristel.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:53:35 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: herbs for ADD?



On July 8. Michael (TFG) wrote: >Is there an alergy connection with ADD?<



Roy Collins replies: This is an interesting hypothesis, since ADD (non-

hyperactive form) shows the very Yin characteristics of the inability to

focus attention. This same characteristic is displayed after one ingests

various psychedelics, also extremely Yin, which numbs the interbrain and

disables reality (ie: *makes one spaced-out*) At the same time, extreme Yin

factors also contribute to sensitized mucosa, leading to allery, sinuitis,

etc. Yet there is no concrete evidence from the scientific community that

supports this. It is interesting to note that more Yang foods (herbs,etc.)

are helpful in correcting/controling both ADD and allergy! On the otherhand

ADHD (hyperactive ADD) is a combination of BOTH extreme Yin (especially

sugars, chemicals, drugs, etc.) and extreme Yang (meat, salt, movement.

lower intake of food.) Ridilin (extreme Yin-depressant effect) helps somewhat

with concentration, but body activity and fidigity behavior still continue.

Just my two cents...In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 18:44:49 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Red Wine

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <95Jul11.132032edt.52261@csg.uwaterloo.ca> on 7/11/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: > In message ID <9507101017.S350179824@clubhouse.email.net> on 7/10/95,

: > HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

: >

: > : For anything which red wine is supposed to help, grape juice

: > : may be used with the same result.

: >

: > Hate to be the eternal naysayer, but that is wrong. Wine has specific

: > energetics that are vastly different than grape juice. For one thing,

wine

: > Moves Blood (relieves pain), which grape juice doesn't.

: >

: > --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

:

: I'm not sure what you mean by this.

: Wouldn't red grape juice (made by pressing red grapes, skins and

: all) contain the same compounds found in grape skins which make red

: wine beneficial?

:

: My understanding is that red wine has certain health advantages over

: white wine due to the fact that it is made with the skins intact,

: whereas the skins are removed to make white wine.

:

: It seems to me, therefore, that red grape juice and for that matter,

: raw grapes should provide the same benefits.  Or is there something

: in the fermentation which changes the relevant compounds?

:

:

: BTW, could you explain what you mean by "Moves Blood"?  Whisky

: relieves pain too, but I don't think that's what you mean.  Unless

: you ARE referring to the alcoholic properties of wine, in which case

: I agree that wine and grape juice have different effects.

:

:

: Bob Wildfong

: bobw@csg.uwaterloo.ca Waterloo, Ontario



Exactly what I meant. Alcohol has the property of Moving Blood (as that term

is understood in East-Asian Traditional Healing). This Hot component also

changes the underlying substance: for example, fermentation brings out the

aromatic components of grapes, while grape juice is less aromatic, juicier

(which would make grape wine RISE, while grape juice tends to sink).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 19:28:50 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Lactuca (Wild Lettuce) Preparation



On July 10, Brian Jaycox wrote:



>I ran across several wild lettuce plants in the sandy flood plain of a

small river. Does anyone know a good way to prepare the leaves and milky

sap?<



Roy Collins replies: There are a number of species of *wild lettuce*, most

of which can be used medicinally or consumed as a potherb. L. virosa, L.

floridanda, L. canadensis, L. scariola and L. hirsuta can have their aerial

parts tinctured, or can be infused or decocted either in the fresh or dried

state. The medicinal properties are most potent as the plant begins going

to seed. It has been recommended as a painkiller, a sedative for anxiety,

nervousness, coughs, warts, pimples and poison ivy. Overdosage can be very

toxic, so please be careful in your experiments.



The young leaves and buds of most of the above species can be eaten raw in salads but are somewhat bitter. They are best when boiled in 2-3 changes of salted

water, or as a stirfry ingredient. Again, don't eat too much at one sitting.

I hope this information is what you wanted and is helpful. In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 16:58:58 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Lamb's quarter



I used some horse manure on my flower garden and ended up with a surprise.

Lambs quarter suddenly appeared. Since this is not native to this area

I have never used it. I tried eating leaves in a salad (boring). So what

does one do with lamb's quarter? Any idea's?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 11 Jul 1995 22:00:15 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Lamb's quarter



On July 11. Anita Hales wrote: > So what

does one do with lamb's quarter? Any idea's?<



Roy Collins replies: Lamb's quarters, or *pigweed* (Chenopodium album) can be

used as a substitute for spinach. It's young leaves are best when boiled in 2-3 changes of water then cooled and seasoned (lemon, tamari and garlic--yum!) and

eaten like a cooked salad. You can make a great mock spinach pie with it as

well. It has also been used medicinally for stomach ailments, scurvey, diarrhea,

burns and vitiligo. Some of my friends who regularly consume it (in spring and

summer) swear that it whitens their teeth...but then again their favorite

method of preparation was to boil, squeeze out liquid, chop fine and serve

cold with sliced tomato and cucumber (lemon, salt and pepper used as seasoning.)

Enjoy. In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:16:39 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Wild Lettuce



On July 10, Brian Jaycox wrote:



>I ran across several wild lettuce plants in the sandy flood plain of a

small river. Does anyone know a good way to prepare the leaves and milky

sap?<



Roy Collins replies: There are a number of species of *wild lettuce*, most

of which can be used medicinally or consumed as a potherb. L. virosa, L.

floridanda, L. canadensis, L. scariola and L. hirsuta can have their aerial

parts tinctured, or can be infused or decocted either in the fresh or dried

state. The medicinal properties are most potent as the plant begins going

to seed. It has been recommended as a painkiller, a sedative for anxiety,

nervousness, coughs, warts, pimples and poison ivy. Overdosage can be very

toxic, so please be careful in your experiments.



The young leaves and buds of most of the above species can be eaten raw in

salads but are somewhat bitter. They are best when boiled in 2-3 changes of

salted

water, or as a stirfry ingredient. Again, don't eat too much at one sitting.

I hope this information is what you wanted and is helpful. In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 08:03:46 -0500

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From:         "Mary W. Hill" <mhill@COMP.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Lamb's quarter

In-Reply-To:  <01HSR21YYAIOHSK2AS@ua.acad1.alaska.edu>



On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Anita F Hales wrote:



> I used some horse manure on my flower garden and ended up with a surprise.

> Lambs quarter suddenly appeared. Since this is not native to this area

> I have never used it. I tried eating leaves in a salad (boring). So what

> does one do with lamb's quarter? Any idea's?

>



I never like lamb's quarters in salad because of the residual grainy

feeling on the leaves, but cheer up--it only grows in very fertile ground.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:14:09 PDT

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From:         Rachel <Rachel@RACHEL.SOFTWORKSCC.COM>

Subject:      Re: Lamb's quarter



>On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Anita F Hales wrote:

>

>> I used some horse manure on my flower garden and ended up

with a surprise.

>> Lambs quarter suddenly appeared. Since this is not native to

this area

>> I have never used it. I tried eating leaves in a salad

(boring). So what

>> does one do with lamb's quarter? Any idea's?



I like it steamed with butter.  Kinda the way you would eat

spinach.  If you wash it really thoroughly before cooking, it

will remove a lot of the grainy texture.



-Rachel



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:40:39 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Wild Lettuce



>On July 10, Brian Jaycox wrote:

>I ran across several wild lettuce plants in the sandy flood plain of a

>small river. Does anyone know a good way to prepare the leaves and milky

>sap?



Read up on it in Michael Moore's Medicinal Plants of the Desert and

Canyon West - milksap harvesting from Lactuca is covered there, as is

other uses of leaves.

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:55:35 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Herbal Smoking Mixtures



I have written a booklet on herbal smoking mixtures, now available for

downloading at:



ftp://ftp.crl.com/users/ro/robbee/HERB/Smoke/smoking.txt

or Herbal Hall at:

http://www.crl.com/~robbee/herbal.html and click on the orchid picture





Howie B



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 14:37:12 -0400

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      removing alcohol

In-Reply-To:  <3002D5AC-00000001@doliver.minerva.polaristel.net> from "David

              Oliver" at Jul 11, 95 02:23:52 pm



When using alcohol based tinctures is it possible to remove the alcohol

without reducing the potency of the herb by heating for example.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:12:14 -0700

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From:         "Robin A. Born" <born@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      SIGNOFF HERB



"UNSUBSCRIBE HERB"



born@teleport.COM  Public Access User --- Not affiliated with TECHbooks

Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-14400, N81)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 17:22:07 -0400

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From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Wild Lettuce

In-Reply-To:  <199507121542.AA14821@personal.eunet.fi>



    Thanks for the tip, And many thanks for previously pointing out the

files at oak.oakland.edu /simtel/msdos/food. I joined this list shortly

after the last FAQ posting and didn't mean to be redundant. I'm an East

Coast (USA) herb novice. Do you know of any more general manuals on

drying, curing, preparing various parts of herbs?  Maryland has many types

of habitats. Within a stone's throw of the Lettuce I found echinacea

angustifolia\ purpurea hybreds, mullein, and, evening primrose.

    Also pointed out to me and confirmed in my field guide was a Ginkgo

tree on abandoned commercial property. (Gotta wait 'til fall)

   So, do you know of any good books that address the preparation of leaves,

flowers, and roots (rhyzomes)? I have already found a few (basic)

instructions on making infusions, decoctions, tinctures, etc., but

could use more detailed info.

Thanks for your assistance.

Regards,

Brian Jaycox



On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Henriette Kress wrote:



> >On July 10, Brian Jaycox wrote:

> >I ran across several wild lettuce plants in the sandy flood plain of a

> >small river. Does anyone know a good way to prepare the leaves and milky

> >sap?

>

> Read up on it in Michael Moore's Medicinal Plants of the Desert and

> Canyon West - milksap harvesting from Lactuca is covered there, as is

> other uses of leaves.

> --

> Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

>           Helsinki, Finland.

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:05:11 -0400

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From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Re: (Wild Lettuce) Other Preparations

In-Reply-To:  <199507112328.AA21285@osfn.rhilinet.gov>



Thanks so much for the information. I made an infusion using 4 partially

dried small whole leaves in a tea cup. Unfortunately the results were

undesirable.



To recount the tale. . . I placed 4 whole small leaves in a cup of hot

water, added 1 tsp sugar. the "tea" remained clear and virtually tasteless

(slightly bitter, astringent) except for the sugar. Before drinking 1/2

the cup, agitation set in, increasing to nervousness, anxiety and panic. I

got very warm, felt the need to take a cold shower, which helped somewhat

in reducing the anxiety. I can say that I had no pain my knees or feet

(hammertoe and heel spur syndrome) for the entireity of the morning.

   I have found that most if not all herbal tranquilizers or sedatives that

also cause euphoria cause the same reaction in me to some extent, that is

anxiety or agitation (valerian and hops to name two).  These are the same

feelings that made me give up marijuana some 10 yrs ago.  Is there a name

for this reaction? Skullcap is the sole exception (so far) to this

phenomenon <sp>, which leaves me relaxed yet clear headed.



The information on preparation...where did it come from? I'm looking for

a manual on the preparation of leaves, rhysomes, flowers, fruit, etc., as

I have located some purple coneflower (and hybrids) mullein, evening

primrose, and _!a Ginkgo tree!_. As much as I enjoy receiving mail, I

ought to be doing my own research.



BTW, what's up with "I Ching Author" I thought Confusous <sp> waited

'til he was 70  before starting the study of the book. It's been a few

years since I last saw my copy, but I still remember this:

_______

_______       As a Christian, devination is a no-no, but I found it

___ ___       to be a unique and useful way to look at things from

___ ___       outside your present circumstances.

_______

_______       Sorry to go off topic, sincerely ;)



Thanks Again

Brian Jaycox





On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Roy Collins wrote:



> On July 10, Brian Jaycox wrote:

>

> >I ran across several wild lettuce plants in the sandy flood plain of a

> small river. Does anyone know a good way to prepare the leaves and milky

> sap?<

>

> Roy Collins replies: There are a number of species of *wild lettuce*, most

> of which can be used medicinally or consumed as a potherb. L. virosa, L.

> floridanda, L. canadensis, L. scariola and L. hirsuta can have their aerial

> parts tinctured, or can be infused or decocted either in the fresh or dried

> state. The medicinal properties are most potent as the plant begins going

> to seed. It has been recommended as a painkiller, a sedative for anxiety,

> nervousness, coughs, warts, pimples and poison ivy. Overdosage can be very

> toxic, so please be careful in your experiments.

>

> The young leaves and buds of most of the above species can be eaten raw in salads but are somewhat bitter. They are best when boiled in 2-3 changes of salted

> water, or as a stirfry ingredient. Again, don't eat too much at one sitting.

> I hope this information is what you wanted and is helpful. In peace, Roy

>

> --

> ************************

> I Ching author, herbalist

> & perennial student of life

> *****************************

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:34:13 -0400

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From:         Ron Steriti <steriti@CPE.UML.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Wild Lettuce

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SOL.3.91.950712163223.18754B-100000@clark.net> from "B.

              Jaycox" at Jul 12, 95 05:22:07 pm



>

>     Thanks for the tip, And many thanks for previously pointing out the

> files at oak.oakland.edu /simtel/msdos/food. I joined this list shortly

> after the last FAQ posting and didn't mean to be redundant. I'm an East

> Coast (USA) herb novice. Do you know of any more general manuals on

> drying, curing, preparing various parts of herbs?  Maryland has many types

> of habitats. Within a stone's throw of the Lettuce I found echinacea

> angustifolia\ purpurea hybreds, mullein, and, evening primrose.

>     Also pointed out to me and confirmed in my field guide was a Ginkgo

> tree on abandoned commercial property. (Gotta wait 'til fall)

>    So, do you know of any good books that address the preparation of leaves,

> flowers, and roots (rhyzomes)? I have already found a few (basic)

> instructions on making infusions, decoctions, tinctures, etc., but

> could use more detailed info.

> Thanks for your assistance.

> Regards,

> Brian Jaycox





Brian



i am quite interested to know what field guide you are using!



wrt your other post about feelings of anxiety, this is due

to an emotional or energy blockage, physically you might

have a back problem. As to what i suggest, attending a

good meditation center would help greatly (they might

remove your desire for such plants).



ron



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:44:39 -0400

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From:         Ron Steriti <steriti@CPE.UML.EDU>

Subject:      anyone know of places in So. NH/ N. Mass?



i am new to this group and have gotten into looking for edible

herbs. I was wondering if someone knew of some great places

in the southern new hampshire (pelham) or northern mass (lowell)

area to search.



thanks

ron



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:10:46 -0400

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From:         Susan Lowell <susan@LINUS.DC.LSOFT.COM>

Subject:      Ginko in my yard



Does anyone know how I can take advantage of the ginko in my yard?  Can I

just use the leaves in tea?  Are they better when young, full grown or

yellowed?  How do I prepare the nuts?  Do I just crack the shells and

roast them?  Many, many thanks!





....s



My feelings and opinions--don't blame L-Soft



Susan Lowell

Communications and Marketing Coordinator

L-Soft, international, Inc.

susan@lsoft.com

--We license authentic LISTSERV(TM)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:23:34 -0400

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From:         Ron Steriti <steriti@CPE.UML.EDU>

Subject:      sites in S. NH or N. Mass (beginner help needed)



I have gotten into looking for tasty herbs but am having difficulty

in finding suitable places to look. Does anyone know of good

places in the Southern New Hampshire (Pelham) or Northern Mass

(lowell) area? Are there any local societies?



thanks

ron

steriti@cpe.uml.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 22:15:28 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Wild Lettuce & field guides

In-Reply-To:  <199507122334.TAA04860@tiger.cpe.uml.edu>



Hi Ron

I'm using (for now) HERBS by Lesley Bremness  Eyewitness Handbooks

$17.95. It contains over 700 entries for:

Trees, shrubs, herbaceous perennials,annuals and biennials, vines,

mushrooms and "other herbs" that don't fit into  any of the above categories.



Each entry contains : scientific name,common and alternative common names,

physical description, herbal uses, unusual or notable features, the

plant's natural habitat(incl. continent) and conditions under which it

can be cultivated, and a symbol key indicating useful parts(such as flower,

leaf, stem, root, etc).



Also each entry contains several photos or photorealistc drawings of:

Characteristic view of whole plant, detail at 1/3 size, dried parts

shown if herbally useful, and pictures of realated species. Each picture

is captioned and / or annotated.  The pictures are all on a white

background which I find easier to grasp than an in-situ photo.



This  is probably not a field guide in the truest sense of the phrase as

you can't look up a plant by its characteristics, as you can with the

Audobon Society Field Guide to North American Wildflowers.



I bought my copy from the local Waldon bookstore.

Regards

Brian



On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Ron Steriti wrote:

On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Brian Jaycox wrote...

> >

> >     Thanks for the tip, And many thanks for previously pointing out the

> > files at oak.oakland.edu /simtel/msdos/food. I joined this list shortly

> > after the last FAQ posting and didn't mean to be redundant. I'm an East

> > Coast (USA) herb novice. Do you know of any more general manuals on

> > drying, curing, preparing various parts of herbs?  Maryland has many types

> > of habitats. Within a stone's throw of the Lettuce I found echinacea

> > angustifolia\ purpurea hybreds, mullein, and, evening primrose.

> >     Also pointed out to me and confirmed in my field guide was a Ginkgo

> > tree on abandoned commercial property. (Gotta wait 'til fall)

> >    So, do you know of any good books that address the preparation of leaves,

> > flowers, and roots (rhyzomes)? I have already found a few (basic)

> > instructions on making infusions, decoctions, tinctures, etc., but

> > could use more detailed info.

> > Thanks for your assistance.

> > Regards,

> > Brian Jaycox

>

>

> Brian

>

> i am quite interested to know what field guide you are using!

>

> wrt your other post about feelings of anxiety, this is due

> to an emotional or energy blockage, physically you might

> have a back problem. As to what i suggest, attending a

> good meditation center would help greatly (they might

> remove your desire for such plants).

>

> ron

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 22:24:45 -0400

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From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Ginko in my yard

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.LNX.3.91.950712190517.12295C-100000@linus.dc.lsoft.com>



>From what very little I've had a chance to read, you wait for the leaves

to yellow. I'd like to know more too, but haven't found the resources.



On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Susan Lowell wrote:



> Does anyone know how I can take advantage of the ginko in my yard?  Can I

> just use the leaves in tea?  Are they better when young, full grown or

> yellowed?  How do I prepare the nuts?  Do I just crack the shells and

> roast them?  Many, many thanks!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 18:56:39 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Ginko in my yard



It seems to me that earlier in the year someone on this list mentioned that

Ginko cannot be used in an infusion but must be processed in some way to

make it safe to use. I'll see if I saved th file but I don't think so.

I don't remember what happens if you use it in tea. I think it causes

headaches and eye problems. My poor brain is too full of stuff I hope I'm

not mixing it up with somethingh else.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 00:43:28 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: (Wild Lettuce) Other Preparations



 On July 12, Brian Jaycox wrote:



>The information on preparation...where did it come from? I'm looking for

a manual on the preparation of leaves, rhysomes, flowers, fruit, etc., as

I have located some purple coneflower (and hybrids) mullein, evening

primrose, and _!a Ginkgo tree!_. As much as I enjoy receiving mail, I

ought to be doing my own research.



BTW, what's up with "I Ching Author" I thought Confusous <sp> waited

'til he was 70  before starting the study of the book. It's been a few

years since I last saw my copy, but I still remember this:

_______

_______       As a Christian, devination is a no-no, but I found it

___ ___       to be a unique and useful way to look at things from

___ ___       outside your present circumstances.

_______

_______       Sorry to go off topic, sincerely ;)



Roy Collins replies: The information on the wild lettuce came from two

sources: 1) Medicinal Wild Plants of Rhode Island (R. Collin & S. Clements)

and 2) Home Herbal (Penelope Ody.) For the preparation of most medicinal plants

it may very well be the *best* on the market (just published this year) Ody

is an English herbalist who studied chemistry at Bristol U., and herbal

medicine at the School of Phytotherapy in Sussex and the College of

Traditional Chinese Medicine in Guangzhou, China. She is one (along with

Leslie Bremnes) of the world's most respected herbalists. I noticed you

mentioned Bremnes' book as well. It is also a fine publication (one of the

better *general* herbals) and by knowing her personally, I can tell you

firsthand the information contained in the book is quite accurate.



You might also want to check out Lust's book, *The Herb Book* as well. It is

an inexpensive, small-sized paperback that is a handy referrence to have

while in the field.



Regarding your *BTW* (obscure remark on the I Ching author (me), I really

don't know exactly what you want to know. I've devoted 1/3 of my life

researching my book (Fu Hsi I Ching: The Early Heaven Sequence) and am

one of a handful of scholars, world-wide that has written extensively on

the *original* I Ching (1500 years before King Wen, and 2,000 years before

Confucius) The I Ching one of the required works for the study of Traditional

Chinese Medicine. As it originated with pantheistic thought (which denies

the personality of God and transcendence) I can understand the Christian

position on it. Yet, the six lines (in your hexagram) correlate to the

six *days* in the Genesis account of creation. God rested on the seventh



The hexagram you posted is very interesting. It is called Inner Security, which

is a good omen suggesting victory for individuals who are sincere to

themselves, and who are capable of working harmoniously with others. If

you wish to more about I Ching. you can E-mail me privately to conserve

band width and allow others to focus on herbs. In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 00:48:01 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ginko in my yard



In a message dated 95-07-12 22:27:51 EDT, bjaycox@CLARK.NET (B. Jaycox)

writes:



>Does anyone know how I can take advantage of the ginko in my yard?



I have a ginko tree in my yard also.  Are you saying it has nutritive

purposes?  Give me more info.



Deb Phillips

Licensed Midwife



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 00:59:27 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: anyone know of places in So. NH/ N. Mass?



On July 12, Ron Steriti wrote: >I was wondering if someone knew of some great places

in the southern new hampshire (pelham) or northern mass (lowell)

area to search.<



Roy Collins replies: Edible (and medicinal) wild plants can be found in

abundance throughout New England. In the state of Rhode Island it is illegal

to pick any plants from state property, and of course private property, so

check with the State's agriculture department or DEM before foraging. There

are numerous types of habitats which provides great variation, so depending

upon the types of plants you are looking to eat, you have a lot of choices:

seaweeds, woodland berries, field potherbs and salad greens, forest nut

trees, etc. They're all over, especially during the late spring, summer

and early fall. I co-authored a pamphlet on the Edible WIld Plants of

RHode Island, many of which grow in northern Mass and southern NH. Preparation

methods for each plant is included--I also have another just on the wild

mushrooms (100 of the best--tried and true!) I do have extra copies of both,

if you are interested. Privately E-mail me for details on obtaining them.

Happy herbing. In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 12 Jul 1995 22:20:02 -0700

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From:         Kim Patten <pattenk@COOPEXT.CAHE.WSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Cerebral palsy



My 6 month-old daughter has been recently diagnosed with cerebral palsy.

Does anyone know of herbal preparation that  have shown to be useful in

treatment?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 10:15:00 EST

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From:         "Laird, Becky L." <blh3@CIDDVD1.EM.CDC.GOV>

Subject:      kombucha tea address?



Hi there, I seemed to have deleted the post with the info on how to subsrcibe

to the komucha tea list. Would whoever posted that please do so again.



                              thanks so much

                                   Becky L.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 09:38:29 -0500

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From:         MaryEllen Read <mread@CREIGHTON.EDU>

Subject:      Requesting permission



Hello everyone, I am a newbie on this list (have been on gardens for

quite a while and love it), so please bear with me. I bought sthree

bottle of "dietary supplements" that have, in addition to the regular

vitamins, lists of Chinese herbal ingredients. According to the

salesperson (my friend) this is what gives the stuff such amazing results.

Would it be appropriate to post the lists of herbal ingredients on this

list and ask what the heck they are & what they do? The stuff sounds too

good to be true, but hey...

Maryellen Read

mread@creighton.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 09:19:00 PDT

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Lamb's quarter



>Roy Collins replies: Lamb's quarters, or *pigweed* (Chenopodium album) can be



The way you write this, it seems you are saying it is one and the same

herb/weed.  Its not.  They do tend to grow together in areas with specific

soil deficiencies (which then hints that they are not getting a perfect

mineral content into you).  I eat them because they grow in my vegie garden

when the vegies can't make it due to poor soil.  Gotta get something for my

efforts.





>used as a substitute for spinach. It's young leaves are best when boiled in

2-3 changes of water then cooled and seasoned (lemon, tamari and

garlic--yum!) and

>eaten like a cooked salad. You can make a great mock spinach pie with it as



Why boil and change water that often.  I boil in minimal water, and consume

that also.  The water changes are usually to eliminate either toxic

substances or a bitter taste.  Not aware of either here.



Jack vL



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 16:03:20 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Requesting permission

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <Pine.HPP.3.91.950713093341.10083B-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 09:38:29 -0500 on 7/13/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hello everyone, I am a newbie on this list (have been on gardens for

: quite a while and love it), so please bear with me. I bought sthree

: bottle of "dietary supplements" that have, in addition to the

: regular vitamins, lists of Chinese herbal ingredients. According to

: the salesperson (my friend) this is what gives the stuff such

: amazing results. Would it be appropriate to post the lists of herbal

: ingredients on this list and ask what the heck they are & what they

: do? The stuff sounds too good to be true, but hey... Maryellen Read



Sure, why not. But post your complaints to, since appropriateness can't

really be judged otherwise.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 14:59:05 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Lamb's quarter



On July 13, Jack vl wrote:



>>Roy Collins replies: Lamb's quarters, or *pigweed* (Chenopodium album) can be



The way you write this, it seems you are saying it is one and the same

herb/weed.  Its not.<<



Roy Collins replies: Lamb's quarters and *pigweed* (Chenopodium album) are

both common names for the same plant. See Foster/Duke's Medicinal Plants, pg

216. as well as Euell Gibbons's Stalking the Healthful Herbs, pg. 278. I

can name at least one dozen other sourcews that agree with this as well...

but what's the use. *Pigweed* is ALSO a common name for various species of

Amaranth (A. hybridus and A. retroflexus. ) Both grow throughout the

northeast--deficient soil as well as very fertile soil. I really don't know

where you are getting your information!



As far as the changing of waters while cooking is concerned: that is a common

practice (see Peterson, Fernald and other's) to remove some of the strong

flavor, grit, and potent alkaloids that are present in most wild plants. The

sandy texture of the Chenopodium album is more than most wild plants. BTW:

C.album is in the same family as Quinoa (Goosefoot) which many people wrongly

call a *grain* (Grass family.) In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 19:22:27 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Robin Mullaney <Reader8@AOL.COM>

Subject:      jewel weed



Has anyone ever heard of "jewel weed" ? I heard a long time ago that it was a

remedy for both poison ivy & poison oak & that it always grew near these

plants which makes sense. I'm still looking through my various texts so if I

find it, I'll post it. Thanks,

reader8@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 13:39:29 -0500

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From:         MaryEllen Read <mread@CREIGHTON.EDU>

Subject:      Chinese herbs in dietary supplement



Here is a list of herbal ingredients in these three bottle of vitamins:

I would appreciate any info-or source for info on these.

I guess my curiosity justifies this but really I have a concern too. If

these things really work, are they harmless, and what are the downsides

of any of these herbs, or is the producer just laughing all the way to

the bank. it is my understanding that the UDSA has no

interest/jurisdiction in regulating folk remedies, so basically we're on

our own.

Thanks for any and all info.

Maryellen Read





"Skeletal Support" has

Three Treasures" Chinese Herbal Complex of:

 Dipsacus root,

 Drynaria Stem,

Bupleurum Root,

Morinda Root

Liquid Amber fruit

achranthes root

paconia root.

Diatom Silica

Devil's claw root, yucca root

Fujian herbal/mineral comples (TM)



"Structural Lubrication Formula" has



"Three Treasures" Chinese Herbal Complex of:

Beche de Mer Whole (sea cucumber concentrate)

Microphale Pilosipe root

Clematidis root and leaf

chaenomedes fruit

Aangelica Sinensis root

Angelica tu-huo root,

Notoptergium stsem

cinnamon twig

Caulis Genwa stem

Semen Phalfeoli fruit

Licorice root

yucca root



"Herbal weight control system has:

Rhubaarb root

casacara sagrada bark

valerian root

ginger root, fennel seed

aizyphus

crataegus

ho Shou Wi extract

gymnema extract

senna

peppermint leaf

licorice root

digestive enzymes (!) amylase, protease, lactase, lipase

cellulase, phosphotase, ribonuclease



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 20:40:20 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         ROBERT TOLBERT <rlt@VNET.NET>

Subject:      Re: Nuclear Testing in the Pacific

In-Reply-To:  <v01510102ac2bf6eac4f7@[139.80.228.4]> from "Emma Ramsay" at Jul

              14, 95 09:15:48 am



>

> Hi Everyone,

>             This topic is too important to us all to not spread the

> resistance as wide as possible around the world so please add your message

> and help us to stop Chirac Nuclear testing in my back yard.

>

>

> >>> Hi folks, here is something important.....

> >>>

> >>> ----- Begin Included Message -----

> >>>

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> >>>

> >>>

> >>> 1  SHIMIZU Seishi     Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 2  Yuichi Nishihara   Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 3  Hirohisa TANIGUCHI Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 4  Takashi Tomoeda    Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 5  Tomoki KOBAYASHI   Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 6  Munehito ARAI      Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 7  Akira Okazaki      Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 8  Atsushi Matsumura  Physics, Tohoku University, Japan

> >>> 9  Kouta Yamamoto     Chemistry,Tohoku University,Japan

> >>> 10 Yasushi UJIOKA     Degremont S.A., France

> >>> 11 Toru Hara          Universite de Paris Sud, France

> >>> 12 Rene Bakker        CEA - Sacley, France

> >>> 13 David Garzella     Universite de Paris Sud, France

> >>> 14 Henk Blok          Vrije Universiteit/NIKHEF, Amsterdam

> >>> 15 Igor Passchier     NIKHEF, Amsterdam

> >>> 16 Ard van Sighem     NIKHEF, Amsterdam

> >>> 17 Johan Noordhoek    KOL Leiden

> >>> 18 C.M.C.M. van Woerkens Kamerlingh Onnes Laboratory, Leiden

> >>> 19 Annemarie Borst,   Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam

> >>> 20 Gijs Nelemans      Universiteit Utrecht

> >>> 21 Susanne Buiter     Universiteit Utrecht

> >>> 22 Stan Schoofs       Universiteit Utrecht

> >>> 23 Edward Prendergast Universiteit Utrecht

> >>> 24 Manon Kluytmans    Universiteit Utrecht

> >>> 25 Edmar Weitenberg   Utrecht

> >>> 26 Harry Blom         Ruimteonderzoek Utrecht

> >>> 27 Henk Marquering     Seismology, Utrecht

> >>> 28 Marlies ter Voorde Amsterdam

> >>> 29 Anco Lankreijer     Amsterdam

> >>> 30 Hans Veldkamp      Bilthoven

> >>> 31 Lyande Eelderink   Enschede

> >>> 32 Christine Pohl      Enschede, NL

> >>> 33 Gottfried Schneiders DLR, Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany

> >>> 34 Susanne Lehner DLR, Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany

> >>> 35 Miriam de las Heras, AWI, Bremerhaven, Germany

> >>> 36 Henning Stahlberg, University Lausanne, Switzerland

> >>> 37 Oliver Kohle, University Lausanne, Switzerland

> >>> 38 Angelika Priese, University Hamburg, Germany

> >>> 39 Klaus-Dieter Liss, European Synchrotron Radiation Facility,

> >>>Grenoble, F

> >>> 40 SAAD M,Grenoble, France

> >>> 41 Bohdan Szymanik, Wellington, New Zealand

> >>> 42 Bevan Blair, Victoria University of Wellington New Zealand

> >>>  43 Dean Carroll, Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand

> >>> 44 Shaun Scott, Otago University Students' Assn, Dunedin, Aotearoa/NZ

> >>> 45 Robert Collins, Computer SCince, Dunedin, NZ

> >>   46 Roopali Johri, Anthropology, University of Otago, NZ

> >>47 Robert Tolbert, Special Education Teacher, North Carolina, USA

> >>

> >>>Dear People,

> >>>

> >>>  This is a chain letter to urge the french

> >>>  government to stop nuclear tests.

> >>>  If you agree with us, please add your name to the list above,

> >>>  and send copies to your freinds.

> >>>  We will add up the lists that had come back to us, and send it

> >>>  to the French Government.

> >>>   If you happen to be the hundredth,two hundredth, three hundredth,

> >>>  and so on, on the list, please send a copy of the mail back to the

> >>>  addresses below, so that  we can keep track of this project. If you

> >>>have

> >>>  any comment please send mails to us. And also,

> >>>  if you are multi-lingual and have friends who may not understand

> >>>  English, please translate this message and add it to the end of the

> >>>mail.

> >>>  Thank you very much.

> >>>

> >>> ******* addresses of the organizers

> >>> shimizu@femto.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp

> >>> keshi@uticeaix1.icepp.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp <- please use this adress

> >>> *******

> >>

> >

>

>                                     BLESSED BE

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 23:04:13 -0400

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Cerebral palsy



On July 13, Kim Patten wrote:



>My 6 month-old daughter has been recently diagnosed with cerebral palsy.

Does anyone know of herbal preparation that  have shown to be useful in

treatment?<



Roy Collins replies: When you use the term "herbal preparation" I am hoping

that you mean all plants with medicinal properties, which includes many of food

products you eat on a daily basis. Herein lies the best control for cerebral

palsy, with supplemental specific plants (herbs)--ingested by the mother and

supplied via breast, if baby can suck.



Cerebral palsy often ocurs when the brain is damaged during pregnancy--this

can be from physical trauma, but more likely is dietary-related caused by an

over consumption of extreme Yin (excess sugars, tropical foods, liquids, drugs,

dairy products (especially ice cream) chemical food additives, and alcohol. If

these products are eliminated and a whole grain/veggie diet (organic-if

possible) is adopted it will prevent the baby from becomming more seriously

crippled later on in life and may prevent convulsions (if that is the form your

baby now

has) as well.



Unfortunately there is no medical cure for cerebral palsy at this time, nor

will any herb or herbal preparation that will cure it, but there is hope

for improvement of this disorder through proper diet, frequent massage

of the spine, focused palm healing over the head area, foot reflexology

on the toes, and applied physical therapies. If the baby can take the

breast (and it is suggested that it be resumed , if not) specific herbs

used to invigorate and fortify the body and to increase concentration can

be taken by the mother and supplied via breast milk--Eleuthero (Siberian

GInseng) Ginko bilboa, St. Johnswort, Mu tea, burdock, and hawthorn first

come to mind.



Mother and father should also seek out suppport from the many warm

and helpful groups comprised of health professionals (physical and

pshycological) and other like-parents who share the same circumstances

as yourself.  There is much work that lies before you--I wish you

all the best, and sorry I could not be of more help to you. In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 19:21:06 -0600

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Iman Bilal <moonstar@LAPLAZA.TAOS.NM.US>

Subject:      Re: Nuclear Testing in the Pacific

In-Reply-To:  <v01510102ac2bf6eac4f7@[139.80.228.4]>



On Fri, 14 Jul 1995, Emma Ramsay wrote:



> Hi Everyone,

>             This topic is too important to us all to not spread the

> resistance as wide as possible around the world so please add your message

> and help us to stop Chirac Nuclear testing in my back yard.

>

>

> >>> Hi folks, here is something important.....

> >>>

> >>> ----- Begin Included Message -----

> >>>

> >>>  #    #  #    #   ####   #       ######    ##     ###

> >>>  ##   #  #    #  #    #  #       #        #  #   #   #

> >>>  # #  #  #    #  #       #       #####   #    #  #  #

> >>>  #  # #  #    #  #       #       #       ######  #####

> >>>  #   ##  #    #  #    #  #       #       #    #  #   #

> >>>  #    #   ####    ####   ######  ######  #    #  #    #

> >>>

> >>>   #####  ######   ####    #####   ####     #

> >>>     #    #       #          #    #         #

> >>>     #    #####    ####      #     ####     #

> >>>     #    #            #     #         #

> >>>     #    #       #    #     #    #    #    #

> >>>     #    ######   ####      #     ####     #

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> 1  SHIMIZU Seishi     Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 2  Yuichi Nishihara   Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 3  Hirohisa TANIGUCHI Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 4  Takashi Tomoeda    Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 5  Tomoki KOBAYASHI   Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 6  Munehito ARAI      Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 7  Akira Okazaki      Physics,University of Tokyo,Japan

> >>> 8  Atsushi Matsumura  Physics, Tohoku University, Japan

> >>> 9  Kouta Yamamoto     Chemistry,Tohoku University,Japan

> >>> 10 Yasushi UJIOKA     Degremont S.A., France

> >>> 11 Toru Hara          Universite de Paris Sud, France

> >>> 12 Rene Bakker        CEA - Sacley, France

> >>> 13 David Garzella     Universite de Paris Sud, France

> >>> 14 Henk Blok          Vrije Universiteit/NIKHEF, Amsterdam

> >>> 15 Igor Passchier     NIKHEF, Amsterdam

> >>> 16 Ard van Sighem     NIKHEF, Amsterdam

> >>> 17 Johan Noordhoek    KOL Leiden

> >>> 18 C.M.C.M. van Woerkens Kamerlingh Onnes Laboratory, Leiden

> >>> 19 Annemarie Borst,   Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam

> >>> 20 Gijs Nelemans      Universiteit Utrecht

> >>> 21 Susanne Buiter     Universiteit Utrecht

> >>> 22 Stan Schoofs       Universiteit Utrecht

> >>> 23 Edward Prendergast Universiteit Utrecht

> >>> 24 Manon Kluytmans    Universiteit Utrecht

> >>> 25 Edmar Weitenberg   Utrecht

> >>> 26 Harry Blom         Ruimteonderzoek Utrecht

> >>> 27 Henk Marquering     Seismology, Utrecht

> >>> 28 Marlies ter Voorde Amsterdam

> >>> 29 Anco Lankreijer     Amsterdam

> >>> 30 Hans Veldkamp      Bilthoven

> >>> 31 Lyande Eelderink   Enschede

> >>> 32 Christine Pohl      Enschede, NL

> >>> 33 Gottfried Schneiders DLR, Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany

> >>> 34 Susanne Lehner DLR, Oberpfaffenhofen, Germany

> >>> 35 Miriam de las Heras, AWI, Bremerhaven, Germany

> >>> 36 Henning Stahlberg, University Lausanne, Switzerland

> >>> 37 Oliver Kohle, University Lausanne, Switzerland

> >>> 38 Angelika Priese, University Hamburg, Germany

> >>> 39 Klaus-Dieter Liss, European Synchrotron Radiation Facility,

> >>>Grenoble, F

> >>> 40 SAAD M,Grenoble, France

> >>> 41 Bohdan Szymanik, Wellington, New Zealand

> >>> 42 Bevan Blair, Victoria University of Wellington New Zealand

> >>>  43 Dean Carroll, Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand

> >>> 44 Shaun Scott, Otago University Students' Assn, Dunedin, Aotearoa/NZ

> >>> 45 Robert Collins, Computer SCince, Dunedin, NZ

> >>   46 Roopali Johri, Anthropology, University of Otago, NZ

> >>  47 Iman Bilal Herbalist, Aromatherapist, Taos, NM

> >>

> >>>Dear People,

> >>>

> >>>  This is a chain letter to urge the french

> >>>  government to stop nuclear tests.

> >>>  If you agree with us, please add your name to the list above,

> >>>  and send copies to your freinds.

> >>>  We will add up the lists that had come back to us, and send it

> >>>  to the French Government.

> >>>   If you happen to be the hundredth,two hundredth, three hundredth,

> >>>  and so on, on the list, please send a copy of the mail back to the

> >>>  addresses below, so that  we can keep track of this project. If you

> >>>have

> >>>  any comment please send mails to us. And also,

> >>>  if you are multi-lingual and have friends who may not understand

> >>>  English, please translate this message and add it to the end of the

> >>>mail.

> >>>  Thank you very much.

> >>>

> >>> ******* addresses of the organizers

> >>> shimizu@femto.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp

> >>> keshi@uticeaix1.icepp.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp <- please use this adress

> >>> *******

> >>

> >

>

>                                     BLESSED BE

>



)*iman

moonstar@laplaza.taos.nm.us

P.O.BOX 347

Taos,NM 87571



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:02:54 GMT

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Chinese herbs in dietary supplement

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <Pine.HPP.3.91.950713132303.547A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>

Date:         Thu, 13 Jul 1995 13:39:29 -0500 on 7/13/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: "Skeletal Support" has

: Three Treasures" Chinese Herbal Complex of:

:  Dipsacus root,

:  Drynaria Stem,

: Bupleurum Root,

: Morinda Root

: Liquid Amber fruit

: achranthes root

: paconia root.

: Diatom Silica

: Devil's claw root, yucca root

: Fujian herbal/mineral comples (TM)



Yang Boosters, for someone with skeletal problems associated with aging, or

with Cold.



: "Structural Lubrication Formula" has

:

: "Three Treasures" Chinese Herbal Complex of:

: Beche de Mer, Whole (sea cucumber concentrate)

: Microphale Pilosipe root

: Clematidis root and leaf

: chaenomeles fruit

: Angelica Sinensis root

: Angelica tu-huo root,

: Notoptergium stsem

: cinnamon twig

: Caulis Genwa stem

: Semen Phaseoli

: Licorice root

: yucca root



More Warming herbs. This is for arthritis.



: "Herbal weight control system has:

: Rhubarb root

: casacara sagrada bark

: valerian root

: ginger root, fennel seed

: zizyphus

: crataegus

: He Shou Wu extract

: gymnema extract

: senna

: peppermint leaf

: licorice root

: digestive enzymes (!) amylase, protease, lactase, lipase

: cellulase, phosphotase, ribonuclease



Heavy-duty laxative. Probably not good for you.



I hope the mispellings were your doing. I've corrected the ones I saw. If

they print labels with these spellings, that is a cause for concern as well.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:19:58 EDT

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         MR MARK L BOUCHER <JNXP00A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Herbal insect repellent



BUG OFF!

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BUG-OFF is a blend of herbs in an olive oil base.

Absolutely NO chemicals or artificial ingredients.

Safe, effective, and good for your skin, too!

Great for kids, adults with allergies and chemical sensitivities,

and for anyone who wants to avoid exposure to harmful chemicals

(but not recommended for pregnant women or cats).



For a 2-ounce bottle,

send a check or money order

for $7.99 (includes postage and handling for anywhere in the U.S.)

payable to:



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Be sure to include your full mailing address

and phone number in case of problems in delivery.

Satisfaction guaranteed.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 14 Jul 1995 14:56:45 CST

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Carla Freeman <cjfreeman@MAIL.MILLIKIN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbal insect repellent



          Does this work for flies?  They are the most annoying

          creatures in the whole world!!



          cjf



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:13:58 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         ROBERT TOLBERT <rlt@VNET.NET>

Subject:      Re: Herbal insect repellent

In-Reply-To:  <9506148057.AA805759094@mail.millikin.edu> from "Carla Freeman"

              at Jul 14, 95 02:56:45 pm



>

>           Does this work for flies?  They are the most annoying

>           creatures in the whole world!!

>

>           cjf



***Except of course for humans, that is...we do just a bit more mass

scale annoying I would say. (Hee hee, couldn't resist..sorry)

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 15 Jul 1995 11:04:30 -0400

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Chinese herbs in dietary supplement



Paul - I've followed your many postings w/interest and am trying some of your

dietary suggestions to attempt to balance the excessive yin mode in which

I've spent most of my life.  One question:  why is it you so frequently

recommend a limited liquid intake?  We've been conditioned to associate

cleansing & detox routines with huge amounts of water - like 8 cups a day or

more.  I'd be interested to know the rationale behind your advice to cut down

on liquids.  Many thanks in advance.   carras@AOL.COM



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 15 Jul 1995 12:23:59 -0400

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Michael Novar <mnovo@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: kombucha tea address?

In-Reply-To:  <3004BAE1@SmtpOut.em.cdc.gov>



Becky the address to the Kombucha list is

        Kombucha-request.@shore.net

in the body of the text type

        subscribe

        end



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lab facility - send us your seed capsules for flasking - *Order* our

Flask Bulletin - Orchid Planting Supply Catalog -via email - NATIVE

ORCHID T-SHIRT - 1-800-862-1353 - mnovo@freenet.fsu.edu



On Thu, 13 Jul 1995, Laird, Becky L. wrote:



> Hi there, I seemed to have deleted the post with the info on how to subsrcibe

> to the komucha tea list. Would whoever posted that please do so again.

>

>                               thanks so much

>                                    Becky L.

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 14 Jul 1995 07:12:00 +0200

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Guenther Frank <frank@KOMBUCHA.PF.BAWUE.DE>

Subject:      Re: Ginko in my yard

In-Reply-To:  <01HSSKF1UGP2HSKA3M@ua.acad1.alaska.edu>



Date: 14 Jul 95  --> It is 06:58 o'clock in Germany



Hello Anita,

Du meintest am 12.07.95 um 18:56 Uhr zum Thema "Re: Ginko in my yard":

On 12 Jul 95 at 18:56 o'clock you wrote concerning "Re: Ginko in my yard":



> It seems to me that earlier in the year someone on this list mentioned that

> Ginko cannot be used in an infusion but must be processed in some way to

> make it safe to use. I'll see if I saved th file but I don't think so.

> I don't remember what happens if you use it in tea.



Ginkgo leaves (Ginkgo folium) contain (in German:) Flavone,

Flavonglykoside and Terpenlactone. The Ginkgo contents are successfully

applied in cases of disturbed blood circulation of the legs (Raucherbein

in German, smoker's leg in English?), the heart and the brain (dizziness,

head aches, weakness of memory etc.). Ginkgo is mostly used as ready made

remedy. However, you also may prepare a tea infusion of the fine cut

leaves. Infuse 1 to 2 tea spoons in a tea cup. Let it soak until cooled

down.

Gunther

***********************************************************************

Gunther W. Frank,  Genossensch.-Str. 10,   75217 Birkenfeld/Germany

Book "Kombucha - Healthy beverage and natural remedy from the Far East"

is available in USA through Valentine Communications, P.O. Box 11089,

NAPLES, FL 33941-1089 Tel. 813-263-4101   Fax 813-263-8797

***********************************************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 15 Jul 1995 14:31:19 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Tamara Grunenwald <grune003@GOLD.TC.UMN.EDU>

Subject:      mailing list



I am looking for a talk group on herbs.  I am specifically looking for

information on schools who can do training to become an herbalist.  If

anyone has attended such a school or has advice for someone looking to

get training as an herbalist, please let me know.  I am thinking about

attended "herbfest" in August in Iowa.



Tamara Evenson

Shiatsu Massage Therapist

1057 18th Ave SE

Mpls, MN  55414



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 14 Jul 1995 16:18:28 CDT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Rick Fonorow <orf@IEXIST.ATT.COM>

Subject:      Linus Pauling tape on Heart Disease

Comments: To: amrta@teleport.com

Comments: cc: holistic@siucvmb.bitnet, cbw@med.pitt.edu, good_med@collware.com



Dear Sirs:



I am associated with a company with has the rights to a Linus Pauling video on

heart disease.



We would like to advertise the availabilty of this video.  Any help in the

regard appreciated.



Owen Fonorow

Intelisoft Multimedia, Inc.

PO Box 3097

Lisle, IL  60532

(708) 416-1438

(708) 416-1309 FAX



Use orf@iexist.att.com for email until I can get your our American On-line email

address.



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 15 Jul 1995 19:05:55 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Chinese herbs in dietary supplement

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <950715110429_33284534@aol.com> on 7/15/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Paul - I've followed your many postings w/interest and am trying

: some of your dietary suggestions to attempt to balance the excessive

: yin mode in which I've spent most of my life.  One question:  why is

: it you so frequently recommend a limited liquid intake?  We've been

: conditioned to associate cleansing & detox routines with huge

: amounts of water - like 8 cups a day or more.  I'd be interested to

: know the rationale behind your advice to cut down on liquids.  Many

: thanks in advance.   carras@AOL.COM



I know this can be confusing, but you seem to have me confused with Roy

Collins (dread!). Roy is, essentially, a Macrobiotic practitioner, and this

'yin mode' business is strictly his. Macrobiotics IS a faddish offshoot of

East-Asian Traditional Healing, it is true--but the broader focus avoids what

I see as the myths of that sub-system. I NEVER recommend restricting fluids

(except in some cases of edema). As a strong believer in the role of Heat in

health imbalance, I wholeheartedly --recommend-- fluid replacement.



I do NOT recommend, it is true, fruit juice with meals, or fruit juice if you

have weak digestion or appetite disharmonies--but that is not because of

fluid restriction--purely for energetic reasons. Fruit is too Cool, too

Sweet, too Damp for regular consumption in such people.



I never recommend cutting down on liquids, or avoiding potatoes, peppers,

eggplant, and tomatoes, or avoiding dairy, or eating seaweed, or any number

of other Macrobiotic dictums. I do not deify Yin and Yang, nor engage in a

variety of views about toxicity and especially do I not hold views about

homosexuality being a negative Yin/Yang balance (not that Roy does, but

Macrobiotic points-of-view have been stretched to those purposes). I do not

believe that ANYONE should smoke (Macrobiotics used to say it was OK,

provided you only inhaled the Yang aspect--clearly a foolish pandering to

Ohsawa's own habits). There are many differences, even if some of the

diagnostic terminology is the same.



East-Asian Traditional Healing is more practical in its recommendations,

meaning that the recommendations are usually the minimum that will get the

job done. I hope that clears up some of the confusion--post back if there are

further complexities to be unwoven.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 15 Jul 1995 22:31:16 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: mailing list



I have studied by corrrespondence with Dominion Herbal College in

Burnaby, BC. It's a very good school and I'd recommend it to you.

For information write: Dominion Herbal College, 7527 Kingsway, Burnaby BC

V3N 1C1.  They have a great staff and many options for study. They also

sponsor yearly summer seminars, software and other study materials.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 16 Jul 1995 06:31:04 -0700

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From:         phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: kombucha tea address?



Is there a web site for Kombucha Tea?

*********************************************************

"It is a mistake that there is a bath that will cure people's manners,

but drowning would help."

                          Mark Twain



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 16 Jul 1995 10:47:20 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: mailing list



On July 15, Tamara Evanson wrote:



>I am looking for a talk group on herbs.  I am specifically looking for

information on schools who can do training to become an herbalist.<



Roy Collins replies: On Sept. 21-Oct 1 in Phoenicia, NY there will be a

gathering of some the foremost Western Herbalists (David Hoffmann,

Susan Weed, Doug Elliott, Christopher Hobbs, Dr. Patch Adams,

Keewaydinoquay, and Gail Ulrich*) who you can talk with to find out

in which direction you want to go with herbalism. Contact Pam Montgomery

at 914-795-5238 for more info. on these workshops. Athough I've heard a

lot good things about Dominion Herbal College (in Burnaby, BC) it is

basically a correspondence school. Nothing beats hands on field work and

direct interaction with a flesh and blood teacher. There are numerous

schools that offer *certificates* of graduation from herb schools, but the

herbal profession is not a licensed practiced in the U.S. and legal

repercussions can occur, as it is defined as a form of medical practice.

This is not true in England and the European countries, however, and

licensing is commonplace. One way of getting around this is to find

a good Naturpathic School (which incorporates the use of herbs) and to

become a licensed Dr. Of Naturopathy (N.D.) and set up practice. I

believe many states (including Connecticut) *allow* this alternative medical

art to be practiced. The names and addresses for both herbal schools and

schools of Naturopathy are regulary published in the advertisinf sections

of health, herb, and vegetarian magazines.



*Gail Ulrich, a former student of mine (2o yars ago) is the director of her own

herb school in Shelurne Falls, MA (Blazing Star Herbal School) Gail also

works closely with Rosemary Gladstar (another friend of mine from CA) who

is perhaps the most instrumental person in resurrecting the spirit of

herbalism in AMerica. Rosemary also has a correspondence course, which is

both afforadbale and accesable. Her address is PO Box 420, East Barre, VT 05649.

Gail's school is at P.O. Box 6, Shelburne Falls, MA 01370. Good luck. BTW:

I offer an annual apprenticeship program (non-certificate) with is held

once per month for twelve months (on Sundays--beginning Oct 17, 1995) I'm

3-1/2 hours from NYC and 1 hour from Boston. If interested E-mail me

privately or snail mail to Tidewater Institute of Herbal Studies, 101

Van Zandt Ave., Warwick, RI 02889. In peace, Roy



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 16 Jul 1995 15:57:26 -0400

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From:         Barry Glick <barryg@AUG.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ginko in my yard

Comments: To: Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

In-Reply-To:  <950713004759_31679262@aol.com>



Gingko is supposed to improve mental clarity.  It has been used (I

understand, but from where I can't remember) to improve mental

functioning of the elderly.  I too would like to know the proper way to

prepare it for ingestion.



Barry



On Thu, 13 Jul 1995, Deb Phillips wrote:



> In a message dated 95-07-12 22:27:51 EDT, bjaycox@CLARK.NET (B. Jaycox)

> writes:

>

> >Does anyone know how I can take advantage of the ginko in my yard?

>

> I have a ginko tree in my yard also.  Are you saying it has nutritive

> purposes?  Give me more info.

>

> Deb Phillips

> Licensed Midwife

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 16 Jul 1995 17:31:35 -0500

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From:         Prissy George <pgeorge@OZARKS.SGCL.LIB.MO.US>

Subject:      Re: Ginko in my yard

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.BSF.3.91.950716155533.10276D-100000@rocoto>



Ginko improves the memory. I have known many college students who have

taken it to improve memory.  It increases the blood flow throughout the

body.  I have read that it has been given to patients to prevent strokes.

Ginko can be purchased at your local health food store.



Rodel publishes a book on herbs.  You might check  that.



Priscilla





               "Intelligence without ambition is a bird without wings."

                                           --C. Archie Danielson



On Sun, 16 Jul 1995, Barry Glick wrote:



> Gingko is supposed to improve mental clarity.  It has been used (I

> understand, but from where I can't remember) to improve mental

> functioning of the elderly.  I too would like to know the proper way to

> prepare it for ingestion.

>

> Barry

>

> On Thu, 13 Jul 1995, Deb Phillips wrote:

>

> > In a message dated 95-07-12 22:27:51 EDT, bjaycox@CLARK.NET (B. Jaycox)

> > writes:

> >

> > >Does anyone know how I can take advantage of the ginko in my yard?

> >

> > I have a ginko tree in my yard also.  Are you saying it has nutritive

> > purposes?  Give me more info.

> >

> > Deb Phillips

> > Licensed Midwife

> >

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 16 Jul 1995 18:30:22 -0400

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From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Ginko in my yard



Fekkow Herbophiles: If anyone is participating in the International Herb

Mapping Project, and have finished compiling their lists, please send them

to my private E-mail address for compilation: AC956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV

I will



Fellow Herbophilies: If anyone is participating in the International Herb

Mapping Project, and have finished compiling their lists, please send them

to my private E-mail number to be archieved: AC956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV

Thank you. I will be unsubscribing from the herb list but wish to carry

on this important project. In peace, Roy.



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 16 Jul 1995 18:37:33 -0400

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Roy Collins <ac956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV>

Subject:      HERB MAPPING PROJECT



Fellow Herbophilies: If anyone is participating in the International Herb

Mapping Project, and have finished compiling their lists, please send them

to my private E-mail number to be archieved: AC956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV

Thank you. I will be unsubscribing from the herb list but wish to carry

on this important project. In peace, Roy.



--

************************

I Ching author, herbalist

& perennial student of life

*****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 16 Jul 1995 21:43:19 -0400

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From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Re: kombucha tea address?

In-Reply-To:  <199507161331.GAA25838@bud.indirect.com>



Here is one very nice web site, I think there are others.



http://www.webcom.com/~sease/kombucha/kombucha.html



There is also a mailing list, you can find the info there I believe.

Regards

Brian Jaycox



On Sun, 16 Jul 1995, phxhawk wrote:



> Is there a web site for Kombucha Tea?

> *********************************************************

> "It is a mistake that there is a bath that will cure people's manners,

> but drowning would help."

>                           Mark Twain

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 13:04:43 +1000

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: Herbal insect repellent



>          Does this work for flies?  They are the most annoying

>          creatures in the whole world!!

>

I have found that wormwood helps, especially if rubbed on hat/clothes.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"There is nothing more comfortable to the spirits than good and sweet odours".

John Key



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 00:03:09 -0400

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From:         MistOne@AOL.COM

Subject:      subscribe



subcribe, please



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 22:07:31 +1000

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: Ginko in my yard



>It seems to me that earlier in the year someone on this list mentioned that

>Ginko cannot be used in an infusion but must be processed in some way to

>make it safe to use. I'll see if I saved th file but I don't think so.

>I don't remember what happens if you use it in tea. I think it causes

>headaches and eye problems. My poor brain is too full of stuff I hope I'm

>not mixing it up with somethingh else.

The leaf should be OK. fruit has to be prepared to make it edible .The

Chinese eat it you might have to ask in Chinatown.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambasador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 10:03:47 -0400

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From:         V Jain <vineet@HOTSEAT.ATT.COM>

Subject:      Lossing Weight



Hello,

        I have seen lots of ads about weight ads from herbs. It is all true.

Does anybody can help me in identifying one (may be a commerical product)

 which is cheap, lasting, safe and really effective. I need to lose about 30lb.



Thanks

Vineet.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 17:24:41 GMT

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From:         John Wilkinson <JOHN11@MDX.AC.UK>

Organization: Middlesex University

Subject:      new mailing list-phytopharmacognosy



Dear Collegue

This is an announcement to tell you about a new World wide discussion

group/mailing list based in the UK on 'phytopharmacognosy.'



Membership is free and open to academics, industrialists and other suitably

qualified professionals who are involved in plant based natural products who

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Discussions will be based around the botany and chemistry of medicinal and

economic plants, Ethnobotany, Secondary metabolites, traditional medicines,

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Aromatherapy, ecological biochemistry, evolution and plant molecules, notices on

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At present members are mainly natural product chemists, botanists,

phytochemists, pharmacognosists, biologists, chemical ecologists etc. The

purpose of this list is to encourage sharing of ideas and information within the

area of plant based natural products.



The list is primarily for experts in similar areas to share knowledge and as

such is not open to the general public. The reason for this is that their are a

number of mailing lists on the internet that deal with natural products which

are open to the general public already.. As such there is no point in repeating

these mailing lists in a group such as this. Also as an expert group we will be

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I hope you will join, what I believe, will be an exciting, fast, effective

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Senior Lecturer in Pharmacognosy, Middlesex University,Enfield, Middlesex EN3

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 11:03:45 -0700

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ginko in my yard



>Fekkow Herbophiles: If anyone is participating in the International Herb

>Mapping Project, and have finished compiling their lists, please send them

>to my private E-mail address for compilation: AC956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV

>I will

>

>Fellow Herbophilies: If anyone is participating in the International Herb

>Mapping Project, and have finished compiling their lists, please send them

>to my private E-mail number to be archieved: AC956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV

>Thank you. I will be unsubscribing from the herb list but wish to carry

>on this important project. In peace, Roy.

>

>--

>************************

>I Ching author, herbalist

>& perennial student of life

>*****************************

>

Roy,



Did you check out the Apprenticeship Home Page at crl.com, Herbal Hall?



Perhaps some of my plant lists could be of value.



Howie



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 10:24:40 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Ginko in my yard



What is this herb mapping project?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 14:26:48 -0500

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Liz Vose <liz@ERVOSE.MV.COM>

Subject:      Re: Roy and Paul



Hi Roy,



I hope you are leaving this list because it is your wish, not because of

the differences of opinions between you and Paul.  Probably I will end up

being flamed myself, but I really feel I have learned much from BOTH of

you. I like the idea of getting more than one answer to a question and

discovering for myself what works best.  I realize that some people on this

list might read answers from either of you and take them as law but most of

us are quite intelligent and (as we respect your information) take Paul's

and your suggestions as starting points to do some discovery of what works

for our own unique bodies.  I like having lots of choices.  You, Paul, and

many others keep us satiated with lots of useful information.  All the

other impolite and disrespectful stuff that goes on, I simply read past and

ignore.  There is very seldom only one way to do ANYTHING and thank

goodness we have choices.  Both of you are most helpful but neither of you

can supply  the last word about anything.  Our own bodies supply that

answer.  Still, when specialists leave the group, we are left with one less

choice. Bummer!



Liz



>Fellow Herbophilies: If anyone is participating in the International Herb

>Mapping Project, and have finished compiling their lists, please send them

>to my private E-mail number to be archieved: AC956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV

>Thank you. I will be unsubscribing from the herb list but wish to carry

>on this important project. In peace, Roy.

>

>--

>************************

>I Ching author, herbalist

>& perennial student of life

>*****************************

=========================================================================

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:34:19 -0600

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         starla lacy <cedint21@ACS.UCALGARY.CA>

Subject:      Re: Herbal insect repellent

In-Reply-To:  <199507170304.NAA19029@oznet02.ozemail.com.au>



Here in Canada, we struggle with flies the size of horses!  This

essential oil mix has always worked great for me:

3 parts lemongrass (or citronella)

1 part thyme

2 parts lavender

1 part peppermint (or eucalyptus)

Mix together in a new plant sprayer (you may dilute with springwater if

desired) This mix also has the advantage of smelling pleasant and is safe

for use around kids and pets.



Starla Lacy



On Mon, 17 Jul 1995 frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU wrote:



> >          Does this work for flies?  They are the most annoying

> >          creatures in the whole world!!

> >

> I have found that wormwood helps, especially if rubbed on hat/clothes.

>

> Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

> Australia (local numbers) Fax 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322

>      E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

> "There is nothing more comfortable to the spirits than good and sweet odours".

> John Key

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 20:33:30 -0700

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Philip Miller <bodywise@REDSHIFT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Roy and Paul



>Hi Roy,

>

>I hope you are leaving this list because it is your wish, not because of

>the differences of opinions between you and Paul.  Probably I will end up

>being flamed myself, but I really feel I have learned much from BOTH of

>you. I like the idea of getting more than one answer to a question and

>discovering for myself what works best.  I realize that some people on this

>list might read answers from either of you and take them as law but most of

>us are quite intelligent and (as we respect your information) take Paul's

>and your suggestions as starting points to do some discovery of what works

>for our own unique bodies.  I like having lots of choices.  You, Paul, and

>many others keep us satiated with lots of useful information.  All the

>other impolite and disrespectful stuff that goes on, I simply read past and

>ignore.  There is very seldom only one way to do ANYTHING and thank

>goodness we have choices.  Both of you are most helpful but neither of you

>can supply  the last word about anything.  Our own bodies supply that

>answer.  Still, when specialists leave the group, we are left with one less

>choice. Bummer!

>

>Liz

>

>>Fellow Herbophilies: If anyone is participating in the International Herb

>>Mapping Project, and have finished compiling their lists, please send them

>>to my private E-mail number to be archieved: AC956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV

>>Thank you. I will be unsubscribing from the herb list but wish to carry

>>on this important project. In peace, Roy.

>>

>>--

>>************************

>>I Ching author, herbalist

>>& perennial student of life

>>*****************************

>



This badly needs an answer.  Paul's incessant snipings and rude behavior

(which we now call flaming - a rather stupid cyber-term) really deserve more

than a quiet retreat on Roy's part.  No one seems to have had the  courage

to say publically that Paul's behavior is destructive to this list.  He does

not have a corner on TRUTH although his musings would leave you with this

conclusion.  Roy has said to me that he did not want to disrupt the flow of

the list.  But if no one stands up to a bully then "there goes the

neighborhood."  Quite sorry to be the first to throw down the guantlet.



Dr. Philip Miller





     -------------------------------------------------------------------------

      Remember, a society at critical transitions gets a choice:



      Either freedom or security -- but you don't get both.



                                       --- Philip Lee Miller

                                            bodywise@redshift.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 21:00:46 -0700

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Debbie cohen <molly@SIRIUS.COM>

Subject:      Re: Roy and Paul



>

>This badly needs an answer.  Paul's incessant snipings and rude behavior

>(which we now call flaming - a rather stupid cyber-term) really deserve more

>than a quiet retreat on Roy's part.  No one seems to have had the  courage

>to say publically that Paul's behavior is destructive to this list.  He does

>not have a corner on TRUTH although his musings would leave you with this

>conclusion.  Roy has said to me that he did not want to disrupt the flow of

>the list.  But if no one stands up to a bully then "there goes the

>neighborhood."  Quite sorry to be the first to throw down the guantlet.

>

>Dr. Philip Miller



>



Dr, Miller:

>

.....Right on and thanks for having the courage to say that.  I totally agree.

The first time I posted to anyone's list I was put in my place by Paul.  My

problem is not the information he is putting forth but the manner in which

it is conveyed.  Being new to the list I was wondering if others perceived

his manner to be very rude and I feel better knowing I am not alone.



Take care.



Debbie



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 17 Jul 1995 21:01:38 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Debbie cohen <molly@SIRIUS.COM>

Subject:      Re: Roy and Paul



p.s.



I too will be sorry to see Roy leave the list.  I wish him well.



Debbie



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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Roy and Paul



The treatment Roni (Calmstorm3) got was inexcusable.  I agree with Debbie and

Dr. Miller.



Deb



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Subject:      Re: HERB Digest - 13 Jul 1995 to 14 Jul 1995



47 Shirley Nelson Ontario Canada



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 18 Jul 1995 12:49:32 -0700

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Subject:      Re: Roy and Paul



Philip Miller responed to Roy's unsubscribing:

>This badly needs an answer.  Paul's incessant snipings and rude behavior

>(which we now call flaming - a rather stupid cyber-term) really deserve more

>than a quiet retreat on Roy's part.  No one seems to have had the  courage

>to say publically that Paul's behavior is destructive to this list.  He does

>not have a corner on TRUTH although his musings would leave you with this

>conclusion.  Roy has said to me that he did not want to disrupt the flow of

>the list.  But if no one stands up to a bully then "there goes the

>neighborhood."  Quite sorry to be the first to throw down the guantlet.



I agree with you 100%. I wonder whether Paul realizes how very

caustic he sounds in his responses. Disagreement of any sort seems

most ego-threatening to Paul. It would be a pleasant change if he

would temper his replies.



I for one, sincerely hope Roy does not unsubscribe from this list.

*********************************************************

"It is a mistake that there is a bath that will cure people's manners,

but drowning would help."

                          Mark Twain



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:30:53 CDT

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From:         lon jones <ltjones@TUCANA.UALR.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Roy and Paul



>>>Fellow Herbophilies: If anyone is participating in the International Herb

>>>Mapping Project, and have finished compiling their lists, please send them

>>>to my private E-mail number to be archieved: AC956@OSFN.RHILINET.GOV

>>>Thank you. I will be unsubscribing from the herb list but wish to carry

>>>on this important project. In peace, Roy.

>>>

>>>--

>>>************************

>>>I Ching author, herbalist

>>>& perennial student of life

>>>*****************************

>>Hi Roy,

>>

>>I hope you are leaving this list because it is your wish, not because of

>>the differences of opinions between you and Paul.  Probably I will end up

>>being flamed myself, but I really feel I have learned much from BOTH of

>>you. I like the idea of getting more than one answer to a question and

>>discovering for myself what works best.  I realize that some people on this

>>list might read answers from either of you and take them as law but most of

>>us are quite intelligent and (as we respect your information) take Paul's

>>and your suggestions as starting points to do some discovery of what works

>>for our own unique bodies.  I like having lots of choices.  You, Paul, and

>>many others keep us satiated with lots of useful information.  All the

>>other impolite and disrespectful stuff that goes on, I simply read past and

>>ignore.  There is very seldom only one way to do ANYTHING and thank

>>goodness we have choices.  Both of you are most helpful but neither of you

>>can supply  the last word about anything.  Our own bodies supply that

>>answer.  Still, when specialists leave the group, we are left with one less

>>choice. Bummer!

>>

>>Liz

>>

>

>

>This badly needs an answer.  Paul's incessant snipings and rude behavior

>(which we now call flaming - a rather stupid cyber-term) really deserve more

>than a quiet retreat on Roy's part.  No one seems to have had the  courage

>to say publically that Paul's behavior is destructive to this list.  He does

>not have a corner on TRUTH although his musings would leave you with this

>conclusion.  Roy has said to me that he did not want to disrupt the flow of

>the list.  But if no one stands up to a bully then "there goes the

>neighborhood."  Quite sorry to be the first to throw down the guantlet.

>

>Dr. Philip Miller

>

        At risk of turning a small flame into a bonfire.....



        Critical commentary is essential to this list.  Many's the time

        that my eyes were snapped open at reading the response(s) to

        a post.  It's easy for me to want to believe in a remedy, etc.

        but am often (usually) unaware of the possible repercussions.

        I am, therefore, grateful to anyone who questions the content

        of anything posted to the list.



        Paul's commentaries have been some of the most useful to me.  I

        believe that he is an expert in his field, that his comments

        are relative to his field and that his ego is not involved.

        Chinese Medicine (Paul's field) seems to be a *very* holistic

        approach to health.  It has evolved over a few thousand years

        and i suspect it continues to do so.  Cause and effect have

        been extensively studied.



        So when a knowledgeable practioner (in any field of medicine)

        sees a recommendation which he/she knows will have a less than

        good effect on the body, then i hope he/she will warn us about it.

        There will always be conflicting views of healing and i will,

        ultimately, have to decide which i will use on my body but the

        more information that i have the better the choice i can make.



        If anyone posting to this list is so identified with what

        they are saying that their ego is brused by contradiction

        then perhaps they should go find an attentive, passive audience

        to preach to....somewhere else.



        -- alonzo



                Flame On, MacDuff!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 18 Jul 1995 17:27:28 -0500

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From:         ROBERT TOLBERT <rlt@VNET.NET>

Subject:      Re: Roy and Paul

In-Reply-To:  <199507182130.QAA02255@tucana.ualr.edu> from "lon jones" at Jul

              18, 95 04:30:53 pm



I have been on and off of this list for almost two years depending on my

internet accesibility.

        I have rarely written responses to posts or posted questions b/c

I am an amaetuer herbalist and also b/c I often see direct quotes or

almost direct quotes out of the same books that I have posted here on the

list.  Yet I do, on occassion, find some of the information or ideas

posted to be extremely interesting or helpful.

        In regard to the most recent discussion about opinions, flaming,

etc... My god, this list is the same no matter when I tune in, somone is

ticking someone else off, someone is leaving b/c their feelings are being

hurt, someone is....not talking about herbs.  I appreciate titling the

debates so that I can skip them over, on occassion I read them for humor,

which is how I became aware of this one, and then I tune them out again.

I suggest that either the group is really boring without these debates,

and trust me there have been a dozen if there has been one since I've

been checking the list out, or people who deal with herbs are petty

egotistical no brain pride filled close minded people....Since I am

someone who is interested in herbs I prefer to choose the first reason

and just say... if people are really sick of the flaming, get better

topics and ignore those who choose to invest their egos in a typewritten

world.

Just a thought

rlt

Peace to all of you.



        and remember if you take life real seriously then your liable to

forget about living.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:39:01 -0700

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From:         Lori Crouch <lcrouch@AG.ARIZONA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Essential oils



>>Roy Collins replies: Yes, it is *essentially* the same im most cases (for

>>aromatics, anyway.) I have a recipe for distilling mint oil at home using

>>simple canning equipment. Let me know if you (or anyone) wants it.

>

Roy, I would very much appreciate your recipe.  Thanks!  Lori



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 08:45:14 +0900

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From:         Darryl McGrath <danmac@GOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Roy & Paul



I am relatively new to this list, but have been really enjoying reading

about herbs and herbal treatments. I have posted some questions and usually

I have been given helpful answers, particularly by Roy. So I was more than

a little disappointed to hear that Roy was considering leaving the list.



I would like to add my opinion to those already voiced on the topic of Roy

and Paul. I was particularly interested by Dr. Miller's posting. He hit the

nail squarely on the head and I take my hat off to him. I have always been

amazed how answers offered by Paul invariably become long-winded attacks on

Roy's ideas or suggestions. And even when Paul's not attacking Roy, he's

usually being scathing to someone for what they've said.



Like Debbie I wondered whether his manner was rude or if it was the norm.

If it is the norm, I'd rather leave with Roy. As Liz pointed out, we all

like a variety of opinions so that we can weigh them and come to our own

conclusions. I'm sure none of us want to be badgered and cajoled into one

school of thought.



I hope others will voice their opinions on this. It is too important to the

continuing success of this list not to.



Darryl



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:50:47 -0400

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From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Ginkgo Info Here



I received the following text on the preparation of ginkgo biloba leaves

via email with the request to share it. I hope this helps the other

people who asked as much as it does me. I removed the "name@address"

under the assumption that if the individual wanted the recognition \mail

\flames\etc., they would have posted the information.



Regards,

Brian

 ==========================================================================

Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 08:38:21 -0400

To: bjaycox@clark.net

Subject: GINKGO



Hi B,

     Here is some info. I have on ginkgo, please share this.

HARVESTING THE LEAVES

     Best time to harvest leaves for high flavonoid content is in the fall,

after they begin to turn color.  Flavonoids, which may be the most active

anti-oxidants in ginkgo and exhibit a vessel-toning effect, reach their

highest levels in the leaves at this time.

     However, the most important active constituents in ginkgo leaves (the

ginkgolides and bilobalide) reach their highest levels around Aug. or Sept.,

in late summer or early fall, before the leaves start to turn color.  If you

are interested in getting max. levels of these constituents, you should

harvest the leaves when they are a dark, rich green, because these

constituents drop the their lowest levels after the leaves have turned yellow

and begin to fall off the tree.

     Considering all of the above, the optimum time for harvesting ginkgo

leaves may be harvested just about the time they begin to turn color, or a

little before in Sept.

     After picking the leaves, shade-dry them on a screen, allowing good air

circulation from the bottom and the top.  Best condition is one that will dry

the leaves quickly (in 2 to 3 days) but not overheat them.  Never dry leaves

in the sun.  To test that the leaves are thoroughly dried, "snap" a leaf stem

to make sure.  When the leaves are dried, put them in a paper bag inside a

plastic bag, and store them in a cool, dark place----in a tinted glass jar is

best.

     Tea is a traditional way to take ginkgo and when used over a longer

period of time (up to 9 mos), it may provide good benefits, especialy as a

preventative supplement to the diet.  A tea of the leaves can be a good way

of taking ginkgo because most of the important active compounds in the live

plant are water-soluble.  Because of changes in the levels of active

constituents during the growing season and variations in levels of these

compounds between different populations of ginkgo, the use of the leaves is

best as long-term therapy, mostly a prevention.  One drawback of the tea, it

has a bitter, astringent and slightly sour flavor----this formula is quite

palatable:

Brain and Circulation Tea

ginkgo  1 part

lavender 1/2 part

wood betony  1 part

lemon balm  1 part

stevia herb  1/8 to 14 part

     Adjust the amount of stevia according to how sweet you want your tea.

 Stevia is VERY Sweet, you might start on the low side.

     SAFETY AND TOXICITY

     Ginkgo leaves and cooked nuts have a safe history of use that goes back

several thousand yrs.  When using a preparation of the whole leaves or seeds,

you can safely assume that within a normal dose range there will be no

dangerof negative side effects.

    In one study involving 2,855 patients who took ginkgo extract, about 3.7%

experienced minor gastric upset which had no lasting effects when the ginkgo

was discontinued.  Another test with 8,505 patients who took ginkgo for 6 mos

revealed that only 0.4% (33 people) experienced minor side effects, most

commonly mild stomach upset.  It is noteworthy that tests show that even high

doses of ginkgo extract do not change the hormonal balance in men, and that

neither does ginkgo affect the sugar metabolism of the body----which means it

is safe for diabetics, who often suffer from poor circulation and therefore

might benefit from ginkgo treatment.  Finally, no disturbances in the

formation of new blood cells or the functioning of the liver and kidneys were

observed, even after longterm use.

     Highly purified extract (24%) is so concentrated, it has a stronger

activity per amount of extract than the ginkgo preparations used for

thousands of yrs. in Chinese medicine.  Not only has the internal balance

changed in the purified extract, but so has the potential toxicity, both

short-term and long-term.  Fortunately, Schwabe has done an enormous amount

to testing which demonstrates that the purified and concentrated extract is

safe.  Thousands of people have taken high doses of the extract and have been

rigorously examined for any undesirable bodily changes.

     THE FRUITS

     Ginkgo fruits have been the object of much bad press----due to their

potentially foul odor, which smells something like rancid butter.  Aside from

its unaesthetic odor, the pulp of ginkgo can actually be irritating to the

skin and cause rashes in some people, for it contains similar irritating

chemical substances to those found in poison oak and ivy.  Many cases of

contact dermatitis have been reported from handling the fruit when its skin

is cut or broken, though rashes have not been reported from contact with the

leaves or any other part of the tree.  In China, traditional processing

methods are used to remove the pulp cleanly from the nuts.

     For a complete book about Ginkgo, write to:

Botanica Press

Box 742

Capitola, CA. 95010     The book is called GINKGO Elixir of Youth--by

Christopher Hobbs and is $5.95

  Hope this helps....Penny.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 18 Jul 1995 22:05:24 -0400

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From:         Sandra Hoffman <sandrap@DRAGON.ACHILLES.NET>

Subject:      Re: Roy & Paul

In-Reply-To:  <v01510100ac31f258b153@[202.243.48.248]>



On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Darryl McGrath wrote:

>

> I hope others will voice their opinions on this. It is too important to the

> continuing success of this list not to.



Bad behaviour paid attention to, increases. Bad behaviour ignored,

diminishes. When one of my children hits the other, I comfort the child

who was hit. I ignore the child who did the hitting. My children don't

hit each other much anymore. They get more attention when they are nice to

each other.



sph



sandrap@dragon.achilles.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 18 Jul 1995 19:39:15 -0700

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From:         Debbie cohen <molly@SIRIUS.COM>

Subject:      Re: Roy and Paul



On July 18, Alonzo wrote:



>

>        Paul's commentaries have been some of the most useful to me.  I

>        believe that he is an expert in his field, that his comments

>        are relative to his field and that his ego is not involved.

>        Chinese Medicine (Paul's field) seems to be a *very* holistic

>        approach to health.  It has evolved over a few thousand years

>        and i suspect it continues to do so.  Cause and effect have

>        been extensively studied.

>

>        If anyone posting to this list is so identified with what

>        they are saying that their ego is brused by contradiction

>        then perhaps they should go find an attentive, passive audience

>        to preach to....somewhere else.

>

>        -- alonzo

>

>                Flame On, MacDuff!





Alonzo:



You've missed our point.  Our egos are not bruised by contradiction, it has

nothing to do with that.  My field is also chinese medicine and even in

chinese medicine to use the term "expert in their field" is open to

question.  Five different acupuncturists could see the same patient and

come up with five different diagnoses and how can you question their

approach.  They may have studied under five different types of

practitioners who were trained in different styles.  I do not know if Paul

has a license to practice acupuncture and I am not questioning his advice,

as I said only the manner in which it is put forth which I find to be very

demeaning.  I find that compassion for others feelings to be a very

important aspect of trying be a healer.



 I hope this is not misconstrued as flaming. I'm pretty sure Paul does not

mean to come off in this manner I just think he needs to be reminded that

on occasion he does and he is the one who seems to have the big ego.  I

just hope Roy is not leaving the list for this reason as I found his

postings to be very helpful and conveyed in a very compassionate manner.



Just my 2 cents



Debbie



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 18 Jul 1995 22:22:00 -0700

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From:         Philip Miller <bodywise@REDSHIFT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Roy & Paul - civility



>On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Darryl McGrath wrote:

>>

>> I hope others will voice their opinions on this. It is too important to the

>> continuing success of this list not to.

>

>Bad behaviour paid attention to, increases. Bad behaviour ignored,

>diminishes. When one of my children hits the other, I comfort the child

>who was hit. I ignore the child who did the hitting. My children don't

>hit each other much anymore. They get more attention when they are nice to

>each other.

>

>sph

>

>sandrap@dragon.achilles.net

>



An interesting but untested approach.  Roy said quite the same thing to me

but instead it kept eating away at him and he left because the situation

remained too combative and unresolved.  He was losing sleep over this one.



This is not an issue of spirited debate (to be highly prized and

encouraged).   It gets to the matter of all lists and is a question of

common decency, restraint, humor and above all, civility.   In today's "in

your face" world these are too often discarded for more confrontational

behavior.  We call this "flaming" but I rather see this as atavistic

behavior.  I see this quite often here in San Jose manifest as overly

aggressive driving habits where people are literally trying to run other

people off the road.



As mentioned above, this is too important to pass over.



Dr. Philip Miller







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      Either freedom or security -- but you don't get both.



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Roy & Paul

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <Pine.SUN.3.91.950718220210.9454C-100000@dragon.achilles.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 22:05:24 -0400 on 7/18/95, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

wrote:



: On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Darryl McGrath wrote:

: >

: > I hope others will voice their opinions on this. It is too

: > important to the continuing success of this list not to.

:

: Bad behaviour paid attention to, increases. Bad behaviour ignored,

: diminishes. When one of my children hits the other, I comfort the

: child who was hit. I ignore the child who did the hitting. My

: children don't hit each other much anymore. They get more attention

: when they are nice to each other.

:

: sph



I've been sitting back seeing what everyone is saying, but this last bit is

too condescending for that wait-and-watch stance. Neither I nor Roy are

children, in need of social engineering and a paternal pat on the rear.



Roy is an adult, and it is beyond me that his views, many of which are not

validated by any actual evidence I am aware of, or are simply controversial,

are supposed to be sacrosanct. I don't see ANYTHING wrong with saying that

they are, in my opinion, false, with full readiness to defend and explicate

why and how. If he wants to leave rather than make real, interactive

communications about those views--without any realistic appeal to order, or

without even a direct statement of his reasons (just this passive 'I'm

leaving, <sniff>' trip), I find it hard to really feel bad about that. He

appears to be leaving because he is unready to defend his ideas. That's too

bad.



In fact he appears to have some legitimately useful information, and has been

earning some begrudging respect from me with some of his posts on botany. But

calling the early Chinese polytheistic is not going to fly in my book;

referring to mythological individuals as real is not going to fly; saying

that potatoes are not grown in the high Andes is not going to fly; and

pulling out the Macrobiotic sacred cows for garlands and a bath of milk is

not going to fly--etc. These views may be cherished ideations, but they

cannot expect to just float in space as self-evident truths.



As for 'large egos,' I understand that is an issue for some people. I

personally don't care about the size of anyone's 'ego'--I consider that whole

issue rather moot--I am focussed on the validity of ideas, not people. If I

violate a sense of decorum, anyone could simply point that out in the context

of further discussion, and I would naturally try to adjust. The actual

communications about that have been insular, petty, and precious. I find it

hard to respond to such appeals to passivity.



As for my status as a healer: I am unlicenced--I do not practice acupuncture,

nor do I have an interest in practicing TCM. I have practiced Taijiquan for

twenty years, and the focus of my work is Spirit, lifestyle, Qi, and

transformation. I use herb formulas in my therapy, of course, but lately the

focus of my work has been Channel-dredging acupressure. I am 39 years old,

read a fair amount of 'medical' Chinese, and study both ancient and modern

Chinese at UCLA.



I apologize if I have seemed coarse or excessively hostile in my posts. I

really find the fragility of people in this regard rather amazing--I am

designed to be a transformer, and I carry a big club for that work. No doubt

I need to hone that club into a more pleasing shape--but it is probably

always going to be a club.



I welcome any private posts in reply.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



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Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:33:09 +1000

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: pennyroyal as abortifacient

Comments: To: CHRISTENSEN@MEDLIB.HSCBKLYN.EDU



>Yes pennyroyal tea is an effective abortifacient.



Thanks Heidi

       I have only seen a case documented where a girl killed heself

drinking oil (i would think 15-20ml might kill an adult). But I guess al l

the successes are not documented.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:26:11 +0100

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From:         Loren & Mary Testa <mtesta@MAIL.MOTHER.COM>

Subject:      Re: pennyroyal as abortifacient



I remember seeing an article in an alternative newspaper called Balls End,

out of Chico California giving very specific information,  dosages etc.,

for using pennyroyal as an abortifacient.  This was about 3-5years ago and

I can't remember the exact protocol.  The one thing I do remember was the

introduction to the article stating that it was essentially illegal to

print such information in a newspaper.  I saved the newspaper for a while,

but I no longer have it.

It described using the tea,  not oil.  I imagine the article would be

retrievable from the editors of the newspaper if they are still around,

but would take some digging.



Good day,       -Loren       mtesta@mother.com





>>Yes pennyroyal tea is an effective abortifacient.

>

>Thanks Heidi

>       I have only seen a case documented where a girl killed heself

>drinking oil (i would think 15-20ml might kill an adult). But I guess al l

>the successes are not documented.

>

>Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

> Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

>Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

>Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

>     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

>         "Tear gas is no violent"

>         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



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From:         Rachel <Rachel@RACHEL.SOFTWORKSCC.COM>

Subject:      Re: Essential oils



>>>Roy Collins replies: Yes, it is *essentially* the same im

most cases (for

>>>aromatics, anyway.) I have a recipe for distilling mint oil

at home using

>>>simple canning equipment. Let me know if you (or anyone)

wants it.

>>

>Roy, I would very much appreciate your recipe.  Thanks!  Lori



Could you pass this on to me as well? Thank you kindly.

-Rachel@rachel.softworkscc.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 09:49:09 -0600

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From:         Kathleen Brown <kbrown@SIGMA1.COM>

Subject:      Re: Essential oils

In-Reply-To:  <Chameleon.4.01.950719111551.Rachel@Rachel.Softworkscc.com>



Roy, I'd like the recipe too.  Thanks.!  Kathleen

kbrown@sigma1.com



On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Rachel wrote:



> >>>Roy Collins replies: Yes, it is *essentially* the same im

> most cases (for

> >>>aromatics, anyway.) I have a recipe for distilling mint oil

> at home using

> >>>simple canning equipment. Let me know if you (or anyone)

> wants it.

> >>

> >Roy, I would very much appreciate your recipe.  Thanks!  Lori

>

> Could you pass this on to me as well? Thank you kindly.

> -Rachel@rachel.softworkscc.com

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 08:52:25 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Ginkgo Info Wanted

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SOL.3.91.950718192441.24735A-100000@clark.net>



If Ginkgo promotes healthy bloodvessel growth, is it a problem for cancer

patients?  Tumor growth is only possible if the bloodvessels  feeding it

manage to grow as rapidly as the tumor.



Jack vL



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 18 Jul 1995 15:40:01 CST

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From:         Carla Freeman <cjfreeman@MAIL.MILLIKIN.EDU>

Subject:      Re[2]: Herbal insect repellent



          Starla:  Is this insect repellent put on your skin or

          sprayed around the area!  thanks...  Carla



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:22:26 -0400

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From:         C Oinonen Ehren <TOIVO@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Chronic Pancreatitis



Hello all-



I'm new to the list, looking to learn.  Hope I can add something to the

conversation now and then.



I'm looking for suggestions regarding herbal or non-chemical treatment for

Chronic Pancreatitis.   A friend is feeling out her options, and I didn't

press her for details, but I could if there are any questions for her.



--Chris Oinonen Ehren



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 14:12:51 -0400

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From:         Joanna Bartlett <AzureOtter@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Roy & Paul



Well, I am new to this list.  But just about all I have heard is Roy and

Paul, Roy and Paul.  Are you ever going to stop?  And perhaps get back to why

this list is here in the first place: to discuss herbal remedies and uses...

not the people who are the "authorities" on the matter.  I don't believe they

are the be all and end all of this list...  Why don't you just let it go...?



Joanna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:09:56 EST

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From:         "Stein, Brian" <steinb@SMTP.MICROCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re[2]: Essential oils



Roy, I'd like the recipe too.  Thanks.!  Brian

steinb@smtp.microcom.com





>From jhaskell at SMTP

Date: Sun, 00  00 00:00:00 EST

>From: jhaskell at SMTP

Message-Id: <9506198061.AA806182737>

To: "Stein, Brian" <steinb@SMTP.MICROCOM.COM>

Subject: cc:Mail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:34:48 -0400

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From:         "LIST Roni L. Evilla" <CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Roy & Paul--Woody Nightshade



In a message dated 95-07-19 14:21:14 EDT, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR writes:



>Well, I am new to this list.  But just about all I have heard is Roy

>and

>Paul, Roy and Paul.  Are you ever going to stop?  And perhaps get

>back to why

>this list is here in the first place: to discuss herbal remedies and

>uses...

>not the people who are the "authorities" on the matter.  I don't

>believe they

>are the be all and end all of this list...  Why don't you just let it

>go...?

>

>Joanna

>

>





AMEN SISTER--If you are a member of either the Roy or Paul fan club then go

off and do your thing in private E-mail.  I have my own feelings about both

of them and have learned whose opinions I respect and who to exercise my

delete key on.  Beyond that they are people and wether or not they get this

list is their business.  Why can't we talk herbs.



For instance-  A freind of mine has a 2 year old child who ingested woody

nightshade today. Poison control did not know of any antidote other than

time.  The kid is vomiting and feeling quite ill.  My resources say that

large doses can affect the central nrevous system and possibly cause death

but most of my books talk about how to USE the plant and not how to antidote

it.  ANybody know how to help this child?



Roni



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 07:59:05 +1000

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From:         Liz De Bear <Liz.DeBear@CORPCENT.CSIRO.AU>

Subject:      Re: Essential oils



Roy, I'd like the recipe too.  Thanks.!  Kathleen

kbrown@sigma1.com



On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Rachel wrote:



> >>>Roy Collins replies: Yes, it is *essentially* the same im

> most cases (for

> >>>aromatics, anyway.) I have a recipe for distilling mint oil

> at home using

> >>>simple canning equipment. Let me know if you (or anyone)

> wants it.

> >>

> >Roy, I would very much appreciate your recipe.  Thanks!  Lori

>

> Could you pass this on to me as well? Thank you kindly.

> -Rachel@rachel.softworkscc.com

>

I would also like it. thank you.

-Liz.DeBear@its.csiro.au



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:48:02 CST

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From:         Carla Freeman <cjfreeman@MAIL.MILLIKIN.EDU>

Subject:      Re[2]: Herbal insect repellent



          Michael:  wormweed?  Where might I obtain that?



          cjf



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:36:07 -0400

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From:         "Shannan K. Baker" <SHANNANB@SGCCVB.SUNYGENESEE.CC.NY.US>

Subject:      ginseng



Sorry to bother the entire list but I didn't know a better way to find out

the information that I need.  Does anyone know anything about cultivating

ginseng?  I have a friend who is interested in growing her own.  I'd

appreciate ANY information that you could send me!!!



THANKS!



Shannan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:51:21 -0600

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From:         starla lacy <cedint21@ACS.UCALGARY.CA>

Subject:      Re: Re[2]: Herbal insect repellent

In-Reply-To:  <9506198061.AA806178860@mail.millikin.edu>









On Tue, 18 Jul 1995, Carla Freeman wrote:



>           Starla:  Is this insect repellent put on your skin or

>           sprayed around the area!  thanks...  Carla

>

If you chose to dilute the recipe with spring water, it can be sprayed on

the skin (avoid eyes and other delicate areas).  You could also dilute

the blend in a massage oil for direct application.  Most often, I spray it

around my tent (when camping) or in the general area where I am.  Another

good method to keep insects at bay is to soak paper strips or ribbons in the

mixture and hang them up around nearby trees, shrubs etc.  This works

especially well if you are eating outside but don't want the spray around

your food.

Best wishes

Starla



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 19 Jul 1995 22:54:37 EDT

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From:         MS MITZI A MICELI <UGFP21A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Roy and Paul



I too, hate to see Roy go.  Roy seems to be at peace with himself, and

if Paul has a problem with Roy it is Paul's problem not Roy's.  I

cannot believe that a person like Roy would leave the list because of

some, ok alot, of flames from Paul.  Everyone has a right to express

their opinions, even though they may disagree with other people.  It is

up to everyone to form their own opinion, and not to take personally

what other people say, even if it was directed personally.  People who

assault other people have their own problems and we must remember it is

their problem not ours.  Roy, please put the group at rest that you are

leaving to go your own way and not because of Paul, and if you are

leaving because of Paul, please reconsider.  Paul, this is not meant to

offend you, only to encourage people to think.  Everyone should be

accepted for who they are an individual.



YOUR GREATEST ASSET IS YOUR INDIVIDUALITY.

                EXPRESS IT!!!!!



Mitzi Miceli

ugfp21a@prodigy.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 01:18:05 CDT

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From:         david306@CLUBHOUSE.EMAIL.NET

Subject:      Meanings of Words



        English is such an unusual language that it is often

misunderstood even by those who are native speakers of it.

"Critical commmentary" is an example.   Like movie critics,

some people think that "critical" in this sense means to

find faults - thus we have critics who spend all their times

criticising.   We would all be much better served by critiques

than by criticisms, whose primary attribute seems to be hurting

peoples' feelings (in one way or another).



        If we all already knew everything, we wouldn't have to

bother with exchanging information, but as long as we are exchanging

information, I cannot think of any reason to criticise anything.

But then I'm not trying to think of any reason to criticise anything....



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 00:51:19 -0700

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From:         Mitch Stargrove <mitch@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      more natural medicine resources through the internet/WWW

Comments: To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

          <HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de>



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 04:11:38 -0400

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From:         mozart <mozart@JAX.JAXNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Alfalfa a No-No?



Is it true that alfalfa, in any form, should be strictly

avoided by anyone with any (suspected or diagnosed)

form of immune disease? (Cancer, leukemia, other nasties.)



Part 2:  Anyone know of reference(s) to same concerning

felines/canines?



All info appreciated, especially something I can go

*read* in my spare time!

Christi D

email: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 04:21:41 -0400

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From:         mozart <mozart@JAX.JAXNET.COM>

Subject:      Best Liver Detoxifiers



Other than a natural lifestyle, of course, is there an herbal

program, perhaps in a series of treatments, that will help

detoxify one's liver? I find plenty of *also detoxifies.... etc.*

but not one that is specifically listed for liver detox.



Tracking down of info has been based upon searching

for blood purifiers, so my premise may have been at fault.

As I am about pre-school level, I appreciate your patience

and any assistance.

Christi D

email: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:53:08 GMT+200

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From:         Matt Buys <MATT@LAND.SUN.AC.ZA>

Subject:      Botany Congress (1996) South Africa



FINAL CALL   --------------         Please reply before 15 August 1995



The South African Association of Botanists (SAAB) 22nd Annual

Congress



Hosted by the Department of Botany, University of Stellenbosch, South

Africa, in conjunction with the South African Association of Botanists.



When:

16 - 20 January 1996



Programme:

The programme will consist of oral and poster sessions in the three

major disciplines, i.e. Plant ecology, physiology and systematics.

Provision will be made for workshops and discussion groups.



The congress will close with an excursion on 20 January 1996.



Information:

A second circular regarding registration, accommodation and abstracts

will be sent in September to all those responding to this circular.



The deadline for receipt of abstracts is 31 October 1995.



Congress address:

postal:

SAAB, Department of Botany, Univ. of Stellenbosch, Private Bag X1,

7602 Matieland,

South Africa.

email:

SAGP@MATIES.SUN.AC.ZA



Please supply the following:

Title, Full Name, Postal Address, Telephone and fax no., Email

address, Language preference (English or Afrikaans).



or fill in the form at:



http://www.sun.ac.za/local/academic/botany/intro/SAAB.html



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 22:21:17 +1000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Alfalfa a No-No?



>Is it true that alfalfa, in any form, should be strictly

>avoided by anyone with any (suspected or diagnosed)

>form of immune disease? (Cancer, leukemia, other nasties.)

I was told to avoid it by my orthomolecular specialist.

MBTFG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:42:51 -0600

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From:         Michael Adams <micadam@BENTLEY.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU>

Subject:      Another Herbal insect repellent



>If you chose to dilute the recipe with spring water, it can be sprayed on

>the skin (avoid eyes and other delicate areas).  You could also dilute

>the blend in a massage oil for direct application.  Most often, I spray it

>around my tent (when camping) or in the general area where I am.  Another

>good method to keep insects at bay is to soak paper strips or ribbons in the

>mixture and hang them up around nearby trees, shrubs etc.



I'm testing the use of tincture of marigold (calendula) as an insect

repellent. I made the tincture originally for my first-aid kit, but I've

found references that talk about its repellent properties.



I have sprayed it on myself and some of my neighbors at dusk. We watched in

amazement as mosquitoes would land and poke around a bit, then fly off. It

seems to work as a basic repellent, but:

* skin must be completely covered. They will bite if you leave an area uncovered

* I've no idea how long the coverage lasts. It may peter out in 20 minutes

* This does not stop the little buggers from landing on you, and so you get

the tactile feel of bugs all over you. This can still send people into a

bug-slappin' frenzy.

* It will color clothing -- I haven't tried a variety of clothes to see how

easily it cleans



It is pretty close to odorless, it does not feel greasy or sticky, and is

pretty simple to make. I think even with the negatives I'd rather use

something much more natural than coating my skin and clothes with a greasy

poison.







======================\/======================

Michael Adams

Writer/Editor, University News & Publications

University of Northern Colorado, Greeley, Colorado 80639

micadams@mail.UnivNorthCo.edu



This message sent using recycled electrons. Please recycle again.

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:40:34 -0100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: distilling mint oil recipe



OK folks - I saved the thing way back when, here it is:

quote



Loosely pack the aerial parts of the plant at the bottom of a large canning pot

(stainless steel) The pile should be about 4 inches high. Place a wire rack

(or other support) on top of the mint pile--make sure that it doesn't touch

the pile. COver the mint pile with water. Place a bowl on top of the rack.

Cover the pot with the lid UPSIDE DOWN. AS the water begins to boil, fill the

inverted lid with ice cubes. The oils vaporize and condense when they make

contact with the cold lid, dripping from the low point of the inverted lid into

the bowl.

Accordingly, some moisture will also condense but the oil (being lighter)

floats. The oil will keep indefinately if refrigerated.



In peace, Roy

unquote



HeK

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 08:11:16 -0700

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Tim Snider <Tim_Snider@MINDLINK.BC.CA>



>Other than a natural lifestyle, of course, is there an herbal

>program, perhaps in a series of treatments, that will help

>detoxify one's liver? I find plenty of *also detoxifies.... etc.*

>but not one that is specifically listed for liver detox.



>Tracking down of info has been based upon searching

>for blood purifiers, so my premise may have been at fault.

>As I am about pre-school level, I appreciate your patience

>and any assistance.

>Christi D

>email: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com



You should probably take a look at Milk Thistle "Silybum marianum",

not only will it detoxify, it is mostly used for healing and protecting

the liver from current and future damage.

Christopher Hobbs has two booklets you may be interested in;



"Milk Thistle: The Liver Herb" and

"Natural Liver Therapy".



I've used both of these to help me get my liver back on line.









(TJ)Tim_Snider@mindlink.bc.ca



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 13:56:10 EDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Fred Peipman <fred@CSE.BRIDGEPORT.EDU>

Subject:      Surgery



I am going to have surgery next week for a hiatal hernia. I only had one

other surgery before in my life and I was sick for two weeks because of

the anesthesia (sodium panthol.) I would like to know if anyone has any

suggestions for herbs that would help in the healing and strengthening

post surgery and also what may be helpful to detoxify my liver after the

anesthesia?

Thank you



Fred Peipman

International Admissions Counselor

University of Bridgeport

fred@cse.bridgeport.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:18:59 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Alfalfa a No-No?

In-Reply-To:  <199507201221.WAA26617@oznet02.ozemail.com.au>



On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, Adam Van Wirdum wrote:



> >Is it true that alfalfa, in any form, should be strictly

> >avoided by anyone with any (suspected or diagnosed)

> >form of immune disease? (Cancer, leukemia, other nasties.)



> I was told to avoid it by my orthomolecular specialist.



Looking at my wallchart of sources of vitamins/minerals, alfalfa shows up

as the best source for anything and everything.  At the same time it

appears to have some potent toxins that help it compete for space when

sprouting.



What is the implication with immune-system problems?



Jack vL



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:29:06 EDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Fred Peipman <fred@CSE.BRIDGEPORT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Essential oils

In-Reply-To:  <Chameleon.4.01.950719111551.Rachel@Rachel.Softworkscc.com>; from

              "Rachel" at Jul 19, 95 11:15 am



Thanks for the recipe! I have mint growing wild in my backyard. I used the

method you posted a few weeks ago and now have about four cups of

essential peppermint oil!! Great for gifts.

Thank You!



Fred



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 15:45:35 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Best Liver Detoxifiers

In-Reply-To:  <199507200821.EAA15749@jax.jaxnet.com>



Tho' not exactly an herb, . . .

Have you looked into Kombucha tea? Allegedly it contains some of the

same ingredients the liver makes to detoxify the blood, thereby easing

the burden on the liver. I'm trying it out now, so no personal testamony yet.



*And amazingly, the people on the Kombucha mailing list actually talk

about the subject itself, instead of about each other*



*Really!*



Brian



On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, mozart wrote:



> Other than a natural lifestyle, of course, is there an herbal

> program, perhaps in a series of treatments, that will help

> detoxify one's liver? I find plenty of *also detoxifies.... etc.*

> but not one that is specifically listed for liver detox.

>

> Tracking down of info has been based upon searching

> for blood purifiers, so my premise may have been at fault.

> As I am about pre-school level, I appreciate your patience

> and any assistance.

> Christi D

> email: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 15:28:02 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Alfalfa a No-No?

In-Reply-To:  <199507200811.EAA15482@jax.jaxnet.com>



On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, mozart wrote:



> Is it true that alfalfa, in any form, should be strictly

> avoided by anyone with any (suspected or diagnosed)

> form of immune disease? (Cancer, leukemia, other nasties.)



Alfalfa is somewhat paradoxical in its action, in that it is both

nutritive and also weight-reducing.  Alfalfa should be avoided by anyone

who is emaciated.  If a person with an immune disorder is emaciated,

alfalfa is contraindicated.



> Part 2:  Anyone know of reference(s) to same concerning

> felines/canines?



I know of nothing specific for these animals regarding alfalfa.  The

basis of the action of alfalfa has to do with the herb's energetics, so

I'd assume that its effects would be similar.



Peter Schuerman                                 plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 19:39:46 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Itype@AOL.COM

Subject:      Herbs



I am seeking safe, medicinal herbs to counteract some of the effects of

pre-menopausal syndrome i.e. insomnia, anxiety, moodiness, hot flashes. Can

you be of assistance. I am not aware of any herbologists in my area.



Karen



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 20 Jul 1995 20:37:17 +0100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Loren & Mary Testa <mtesta@MAIL.MOTHER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Best Liver Detoxifiers



Hi Christi,  Milk Thistle (Silybum marianum) seed is a liver detoxifier.

In my small booklet by Christopher Hobbs,  he states that you can grind the

seeds in a coffee grinder and eat them by the teaspoonful.  They can also

be prepared by brewing into a tea.  All parts of the plant are edible.  The

seed not only detoxifies the liver but also has protective qualities.  In

one test,  the seed was administered to patients who had ingested the

'death cap' mushroom (Amanita phalloides),  and the death rate was

decreased to 10%.  It seems to me to be pretty amazing stuff.  Of course,

by the commercial capsul,  it's also rather expensive.  One would think,

being a thistle,  it would be easy enough to cultivate in large quanties to

bring the price down,  but demand hasn't caught up with it yet.



I highly recommend the booklet, "Milk Thistle,  The Liver Herb"  by

Christopher Hobbs,  if you'd like to gather more information.  I got it at

a local health food store for about four bucks.  It has a bunch of charts,

showing medical studies and results,  and a large list of references at the

back of the book.



Thanks for asking the question and reminding me about this user-friendly plant.



Regards,       -Loren    mtesta@mother.com



on Thu, 20 Jul 1995,  Christi D.,  email: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com wrote:

>Other than a natural lifestyle, of course, is there an herbal

>program, perhaps in a series of treatments, that will help

>detoxify one's liver? I find plenty of *also detoxifies.... etc.*

>but not one that is specifically listed for liver detox.

>

>Tracking down of info has been based upon searching

>for blood purifiers, so my premise may have been at fault.

>As I am about pre-school level, I appreciate your patience

>and any assistance.

>Christi D

>email: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 02:28:44 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         mozart <mozart@JAX.JAXNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Alfalfa a No-No?



>>Is it true that alfalfa, in any form, should be strictly

>>avoided by anyone with any (suspected or diagnosed)

>>form of immune disease? (Cancer, leukemia, other nasties.)

>I was told to avoid it by my orthomolecular specialist.

>MBTFG

>

Mr. Michael, you nice man!

Thanks for responding. Interesting that YOU got it across

the world, yet it's NOT posted on the list, and my mail

server kicked it back as undeliverable to the above address.

I'll see what this thank you does!

(Maybe I just have a psychic vibe to Australia, after all some

of the most physically attractive men in the world live there!)

Thanks again, now I have to go look up one what that specialist

is, I think the first part is ortho/to correct, straighten..... :)

I'll send my mail server to one - he's reallllly out of sync!



Christi D.

email: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 02:31:52 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         mozart <mozart@JAX.JAXNET.COM>

Subject:      Does Navelbine equal Mistletoe?



Anyone know if the (new?) anti-cancer drug, Navelbine, is

a derivative/extract, whatever, of mistletoe?



Thanks for any info.



Christi D.

email: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:19:25 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Joan Slezak <jslezak@CALV1.CRAY.COM>

Subject:      Herb FAQ



Please forward to me the HERB FAQ.



Thanks in advance.

Joan

--

jslezak@cray.com                        Ph: 301-595-2634

Sr. Contracts Administrator             FAX: 301-595-2637

Calverton, MD 20705





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:35:54 -0400

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From:         "J. Keeler" <jkeeler@MOOSE.UVM.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herb FAQ

In-Reply-To:  <9507210919.ZM7171@calv1>



Please forward to me the Herb FAQ.



Joyce Keeler

jkeeler@moose.uvm.edu



Thanks in advance.



Joyce in Vermont.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:46:32 -0500

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From:         Algy and Noodles <sward@FRANK.MTSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herb FAQ

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.A32.3.91.950721093518.89194B-100000@moose.uvm.edu>



> Please forward to me the Herb FAQ.

>

> Joyce Keeler

> jkeeler@moose.uvm.edu



Two herb faqs, Henriette Kress' wonderful medicinal herb faq, and the

rec.gardens faq, are available at Algy's herb page,

http://frank.mtsu.edu/~sward/herb/herbpic.html.



algy



***********************************************

*  "You can't spit tobacco at the Taj Mahal"  *

*                    - Algy Krebbs            *

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:45:37 EDT

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From:         Curtis <DOLEZALC@IRIS.RFMH.ORG>

Subject:      HERB FAX



Is there an HERB FAQ file available? If so, I would appreciate a copy. (got

the address from rec.gardens) Thank you.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 08:05:55 -0700

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From:         Rich Madden <rmadden@MASPAR.COM>

Subject:      Re: your mail

In-Reply-To:  <m0sYxBB-0003DWC@rsoft.rsoft.bc.ca>



Thank you for this information, I would like to know if this will also

help in the revitalization of a damaged liver via hepititus? According to

my gp my liver puts out excessive bad cholesteral because of the damage

to it from my helping a friend years ago who had contracted yellow jaundice.

Thank you for the help.



On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, Tim Snider wrote:



> >Other than a natural lifestyle, of course, is there an herbal

> >program, perhaps in a series of treatments, that will help

> >detoxify one's liver? I find plenty of *also detoxifies.... etc.*

> >but not one that is specifically listed for liver detox.

>

> >Tracking down of info has been based upon searching

> >for blood purifiers, so my premise may have been at fault.

> >As I am about pre-school level, I appreciate your patience

> >and any assistance.

> >Christi D

> >email: mozart@jax.jaxnet.com

>

> You should probably take a look at Milk Thistle "Silybum marianum",

> not only will it detoxify, it is mostly used for healing and protecting

> the liver from current and future damage.

> Christopher Hobbs has two booklets you may be interested in;

>

> "Milk Thistle: The Liver Herb" and

> "Natural Liver Therapy".

>

> I've used both of these to help me get my liver back on line.

>

>

>

>

> (TJ)Tim_Snider@mindlink.bc.ca

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:32:15 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs



Donq quai and red raspberry tea help with the menapausal symptoms.

I find nettles tea also helps since it is so high in calcium and iron.

Calcium is good for pms symptoms and also the symptoms you described.

Deb



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:31:06 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Alfalfa a No-No?



Do the post to this list not show up in our own mailbags?  I would think that

is the problem you are having.



Also when you get one bad name in the list, sometimes it makes you think that

your mail to the list did not go out to the list.  Indeed, it does go out to

the list but only not to the person listed in the note that got bounced back

to you.



Hope this helps.



That same thing happened to me.



What command do you have to use to make your mail come to your own mailbag?



Deb Phillips

Licensed Midwife



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 10:52:52 -0500

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From:         CATS! <curtz@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs

In-Reply-To:  <950720193946_119371628@aol.com>



Karen there is a menopaus list serv with archives that discuss natural ways

to help with these problems.  I got off cause the mail was enormous and there

is little monitoring so there was a lot of off subject discussion.  The book

The Paus goes into a lot of natural healing herbs and things for

menopaus.  I myself and several others on the list found calcium

supplements drunk with water not juice(juice affects absorption) helped

me with insomnia.



I can look in my copy for any pressing problems you may have.  Let me know.







On Thu, 20 Jul 1995 Itype@AOL.COM wrote:



> I am seeking safe, medicinal herbs to counteract some of the effects of

> pre-menopausal syndrome i.e. insomnia, anxiety, moodiness, hot flashes. Can

> you be of assistance. I am not aware of any herbologists in my area.

>

> Karen

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:33:52 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Roy & Paul--Woody Nightshade



Get the child to a homeopathic physician. They may be able to prescribe

a detox medicine.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 10:42:18 -0700

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From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Kombucha & glucuronic acid (was: Best Liver Detoxifiers)

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SOL.3.91.950720153621.11870B-100000@clark.net>



On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, B. Jaycox wrote:



> Tho' not exactly an herb, . . .

> Have you looked into Kombucha tea? Allegedly it contains some of the

> same ingredients the liver makes to detoxify the blood, thereby easing

> the burden on the liver. I'm trying it out now, so no personal testamony yet.



Kombucha tea contains glucuronic acid.  Glucuronic acid is used by the

liver to render certain toxins non-toxic; the glucuronic acid is attached

to the toxin molecule, forming a glucuronide which is then excreted in the

urine.



As an aside: a few years back, some researchers (Jefferson et al., who

worked out the beta-glucuronidase gene system for detection of genetic

transformation events) needed certain glucuronides for their work.  Their

solution was to drink the toxins and collect the resulting glucuronides by

purifying them from their urine.  What are graduate students for, anyway?

:)



The assumption with kombucha is that if you drink glucuronic acid, you

will assist the liver in the production of glucuronides (i.e. detoxified

forms of poisons which can be excreted).  This assumption seems like it

would be fairly easy to test, given the research I described above.



Peter Schuerman                                 plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



P.S.  I've drunk kombucha for several months, but don't drink it

anymore.  It gave me a great sense of well-being, and I felt healthier

after a week of drinking it, but I'm using herbs now to achieve the

same... kombucha is not very convenient, and unfortunately I don't have

the time to tend to the mushroom.  My advice to anyone who wants to use

it is to get it from someone in person, for free (the traditional way).

That way, you can taste the tea and find out what it is *supposed* to

taste like... if your batch gets contaminated, you will know because it

will taste wrong.  The people who have died or gotten sick were people

who ordered the mushroom and didn't know firsthand what the tea was

supposed to taste like.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 09:52:34 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Best Liver Detoxifiers



Kombucha has been mentioned. I use Kombucha, however, it is not for everyone

and I would not recommend it in some conditions. It does help detosify the

liver but it also can be highly agitating to the adrenal glands.

I think it would be better to start detoxification with herbs such as

Centaury, gentian, Bupleurum, Milk thistle and dandelion root.

Go find some dandelions and dig the roots. Slice and lay on a cookie sheet.

Toast on a low oven temp till good and dry. Grind in a coffee grinder and

make into "coffee". It's free and very good for you. It gets very hard when

dry so cut it small while fresh. The other herbs can be found wild in some

places or purchased in an herb store. Another helpful product is pycnogenol.

If you need sources for pycnogenol, please contact me privately.

Anita JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 21:01:41 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: HERB FAQ

Comments: To: Curtis <DOLEZALC@iris.rfmh.org>



try algy krebbs' www page

  http://frank.mtsu.edu/~sward/herb.html

it has both the medicinal herbfaq and the old culinary herbfaq.



--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:31:59 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Best Liver Detoxifiers

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <Pine.SOL.3.91.950720153621.11870B-100000@clark.net> on 7/20/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Tho' not exactly an herb, . . .

: Have you looked into Kombucha tea? Allegedly it contains some of the

: same ingredients the liver makes to detoxify the blood, thereby easing

: the burden on the liver. I'm trying it out now, so no personal

: testamony yet.

:

: *And amazingly, the people on the Kombucha mailing list actually talk

: about the subject itself, instead of about each other*

:

: *Really!*

:

: Brian



That's because it's a major fad-cult, and the Emperor's clothes aren't at

issue. There is more hype and unsubstantiated claim about Kombucha than about

almost any other natural product currently available. Not that it's not good

stuff, but the claims beg credulity.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:48:03 -0400

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From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kombucha & glucuronic acid (was: Best Liver Detoxifiers)



A friend and I have been on Kombucha since March.  My hair was becoming very

thin and my nails were peeling.  The change in my hair has been unbelievable.

 My friend had severe arthritis in his knees (had all the surgery, medication

did little).  Now there is no pain.  Changes did not occur until after about

3 1/2 months.  We both drink about 1 gallon a week--3 cups per day.  I don't

let it sit for more than 8 days and incorporate some peach flavored black tea

in with it.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 16:30:32 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: your mail

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.ULT.3.91.950721080204.6707B-100000@ops>



On Fri, 21 Jul 1995, Rich Madden wrote:



> Thank you for this information, I would like to know if this will also

> help in the revitalization of a damaged liver via hepititus? According to

> my gp my liver puts out excessive bad cholesteral because of the damage

> to it from my helping a friend years ago who had contracted yellow jaundice.

> Thank you for the help.

>

>

Many herbalists have worked sucessfully with Milk Thistle in cases of

hepatitus, Red Clover Blossoms (trifolium praetense) are also helpfull.

        Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 16:37:58 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Herbs

In-Reply-To:  <950721113214_119833748@aol.com>



On Fri, 21 Jul 1995, Deb Phillips wrote:



> Donq quai and red raspberry tea help with the menapausal symptoms.

> I find nettles tea also helps since it is so high in calcium and iron.

> Calcium is good for pms symptoms and also the symptoms you described.

> Deb

>

In addition many of the women I see have sucess with Motherwort (Leonurus

cardiaca) Generally tincture is easiest with this herb. Tea of it is  a

little bitter. It seems to help most in my experience with hot flashes,

nerves, and nightmares in some cases.

        Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 00:39:02 CDT

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From:         David Oliver <doliver@MINERVA.POLARISTEL.NET>

Subject:      Motherwort for menopausal symptoms



I recommend a tea of motherwort, three or four leaves (dried or fresh) in a cup of hot

water, once a day, for menopausal symptoms including hot flashes. Let it steep for at

least 10 minutes.



My symptoms diminished after a week. They were completely gone after two weeks.



The taste is not very pleasant. It can be improved by adding some mint leaves to the tea.



Vitamin E and exercise are also important in controlling these symptoms.



I have tried raspberry leaves, often also recommended, but the motherwort was much more

effective.



   - Paula



==========================================

David & Paula Oliver

Editors/Publishers, The Business of Herbs

Northwind Farm Publications

doliver@minerva.polaristel.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 16:45:33 +1000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: your mail



>>

>Many herbalists have worked sucessfully with Milk Thistle in cases of

>hepatitus, Red Clover Blossoms (trifolium praetense) are also helpfull.

>        Colette Gardiner

Chinese have other good liver herbs too. St Mary's Thistle espedially good.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 16:46:22 +1000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Roy & Paul--Woody Nightshade



>In a message dated 95-07-19 14:21:14 EDT, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR writes:

>

>>Well, I am new to this liAst.  But just about all I have heard is Roy

>>and

>>Paul, Roy and Paul.  Are you ever going to stop?  And perhaps get

>>back to why

>>this list is here in the first place: to discuss herbal remedies and

>>uses...

>>not the people who are the "authorities" on the matter.  I don't

>>believe they

>>are the be all and end all of this list...  Why don't you just let it

>>go...?

>>

>>Joanna

>>

>>

>

>

>AMEN SISTER--If you are a member of either the Roy or Paul fan club then go

>off and do your thing in private E-mail.  I have my own feelings about both

>of them and have learned whose opinions I respect and who to exercise my

>delete key on.  Beyond that they are people and wether or not they get this

>list is their business.  Why can't we talk herbs.

>

>For instance-  A freind of mine has a 2 year old child who ingested woody

>nightshade today. Poison control did not know of any antidote other than

>time.  The kid is vomiting and feeling quite ill.  My resources say that

>large doses can affect the central nrevous system and possibly cause death

>but most of my books talk about how to USE the plant and not how to antidote

>it.  ANybody know how to help this child?

>

>Roni



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 16:49:26 +1000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Comments: cc: HOLISTIC%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu



Can anyone give me a reference in the herbal literature to Echinacea

Purpurea or Angustifolia being a circulatory stimulant?



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 17:05:33 +1000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Best Liver Detoxifiers



The Globe Artichoke is a worthwhile consideration, as Silybum (St Mary's

Thistle) is excellent but you need to use the seeds to retrieve the active

principle (Silymarin.) However, with Globe Artichoke (Cynara), the leaves

can be used, which are much easier to collect and therefore the Fluid

extract is alot cheaper.

Annette



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 03:10:56 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Motherwort for menopausal symptoms



In a message dated 95-07-22 01:42:48 EDT, doliver@MINERVA.POLARISTEL.NET

(David Oliver) writes:



>I have tried raspberry leaves, often also recommended, but the motherwort

was

>much more

>effective.

>

>



The nice thing about red raspberry is it can be made into an iced tea and you

can drink it for refreshment instead of feeling like its medicinal.

Deb Phillips

Licensed Midwife



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 17:13:05 +1000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Ginkgo Info Wanted



>If Ginkgo promotes healthy bloodvessel growth, is it a problem for cancer

>patients?  Tumor growth is only possible if the bloodvessels  feeding it

>manage to grow as rapidly as the tumor.

Who said that it "promotes blood vessel GROWTH!" I feel this interpretation

is totally incorrect. Gingko Biloba is a circulatory enhancer but not a

promoter of tissue growth!

ANETTE

Professor Kearney at Sydney University has done some research on blood

supply and cancer. His is reseaching this at the moment.

Michael



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 08:15:22 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Herb Shareware



July 8th, B. Jaycox posted that he'd found 4 herb shareware programs

at an ftp site.

Herbage for Dos v1.0 herbage1.zip

Herb Power v2.0 herbp21.zip

Healing Powers of Herbs  hph2.zip

The Illustrated Medical Herbal Encyclopedia medherb1.zip



I've located the programs at a WWW site. The URL address is:

http://www.acs.oakland.edu/oak/simtel/msdos/food.html

The is the home of the Oak Software Repository.



Have fun!

*********************************************************

"It is a mistake that there is a bath that will cure people's manners,

but drowning would help."

                          Mark Twain



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 17:34:03 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Joan Mathew <cmathew@IADFW.NET>

Subject:      need HERB FAQ



Hello,

  May I please obtain an email copy of the HERB FAQ?



Thank you,

Joan Mathew

cmathew@server.iadfw.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 10:32:02 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Kim Patten <pattenk@COOPEXT.CAHE.WSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: ginseng



>Sorry to bother the entire list but I didn't know a better way to find out

>the information that I need.  Does anyone know anything about cultivating

>ginseng?  I have a friend who is interested in growing her own.  I'd

>appreciate ANY information that you could send me!!!

>

>THANKS!

>

>Shannan

>



Numerious books and manuals exist on the subject, eg. Duke's Book.; BC

Ministry of AG also has a very useful publication on subject, also any sells

of the seeds or roots usally provide similar information.>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 14:06:08 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Comments: cc: adamtfg@ozemail.com.au



Adam Van Wirdum wrote:

>Can anyone give me a reference in the herbal literature to Echinacea

>Purpurea or Angustifolia being a circulatory stimulant?



According to "Planetary Herbology" by Michael Tierra pp190-91

Echinacea spp. properties are: alterative, carminative, stimulant and

vulnerary.



It's used to stimulate the immune system; counteracts pus and stimulates

digestion. As he's talking about echinacea species here, this includes

the two species you mentioned= E.purpurea being the most common and

domesticated.



So, it is a blood cleanser- and stimulates digestion and the immune

system.

*********************************************************

"It is a mistake that there is a bath that will cure people's manners,

but drowning would help."

                          Mark Twain



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 23:49:51 +0200

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Ceci Henningsson <ceci@LYSATOR.LIU.SE>

Subject:      Scented candles.



Hi!



I'm making scented candles using essential oils. The problem is that I

have to use such a lot of oil to get any scent when I burn the candle.

Now I wonder if I can use finely ground herbs to scent the candles

either alone or in addition to the oils.



Anyone tried this?



Thanks,

--Ceci

===ceci@lysator.liu.se===http://www.lysator.liu.se/~ceci===

"The Craft calls on each of us to be our own authority,

 and that can be an uncomfortable position."

                             Starhawk in _Spiral Dance_



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 23:53:32 +0200

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Ceci Henningsson <ceci@LYSATOR.LIU.SE>

Subject:      Fruity flavour in herb teas.



Hi!



I like to use my summer holidays for Craft projects. Currently, I'm

making my own tea bags of herbal blends. One kind of tea that is

available commercially, but that I haven't been able to reproduce, is

fruit tea.



What ingredients should I use to get that fresh, fruity flavour of

cherries, oranges, mangoes and other fruits and berries?



Thanks,

--Ceci

===ceci@lysator.liu.se===http://www.lysator.liu.se/~ceci===

"Floppy hat and black nails and education. Oh dear."

                 From Terry Pratchett's _Lords and Ladies_.

===========================================================



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 23:58:36 +0200

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Ceci Henningsson <ceci@LYSATOR.LIU.SE>

Subject:      Can inproperly dried incense be "saved"?



Another of my summer holiday projects is to make incense of herbs that

I grow myself. Unfortunately one batch with catnip didn't dry

properly, so it had that icky, smoky, sour smell when I burned a

sample.



Can I "save" it somehow, or should I just give up and toss it in the

compost? I used quite a lot of catnip (that I would otherwise would

have used for tea *sniff*), so I'm willing to go to some lengths to

get value for my growing efforts.



Thanks,

--Ceci

===ceci@lysator.liu.se===http://www.lysator.liu.se/~ceci===

"Floppy hat and black nails and education. Oh dear."

                 From Terry Pratchett's _Lords and Ladies_.

===========================================================



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 17:23:39 -0600

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         starla lacy <cedint21@ACS.UCALGARY.CA>

Subject:      Re: Scented candles.

In-Reply-To:  <199507222149.XAA07471@lysistrate.lysator.liu.se>



On Sat, 22 Jul 1995, Ceci Henningsson wrote:

> I'm making scented candles using essential oils. The problem is that I

> have to use such a lot of oil to get any scent when I burn the candle.

> Now I wonder if I can use finely ground herbs to scent the candles

> either alone or in addition to the oils.

>

I found that candles made with aromatic oils produce a lovely, subtle

scent, however when you have to use 30-60 drops of oil per 8 ounces of

wax, your investment adds up rather quickly.  I now use unscented candles

to which I add 3-5 drops of a chosen oil or blend on the wax next to the

wick.  Add the oil just shortly after the candle has been lit, but take

care not to soak the wick since some oils are *highly* inflammable, and

you may get more than you bargained for!

Good luck,

Starla Lacy

slacy@freenet.calgary.ab.ca



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 19:50:41 +0000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Comments:     Authenticated sender is <barryg@aug.com>

From:         Barry Glick <barryg@AUG.COM>

Subject:      Yogi Tea



I think it was on this list that someone gave the recipe for Yogi

tea.  Can whomever that was repeat it please?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 20:41:14 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Best Liver Detoxifiers

In-Reply-To:  <822738942.8227806@pop.com>



Thank You!

Having received no word about you for nearly 24 hours, it was so nice to

have you respond to somthing I wrote! Are you the Emperor? What clothes?

Regards,

Brian



On Fri, 21 Jul 1995, Paul Iannone wrote:



> In message ID <Pine.SOL.3.91.950720153621.11870B-100000@clark.net> on 7/20/95,

> HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

> : Tho' not exactly an herb, . . .

> : Have you looked into Kombucha tea? Allegedly it contains some of the

> : same ingredients the liver makes to detoxify the blood, thereby easing

> : the burden on the liver. I'm trying it out now, so no personal

> : testamony yet.

> :

> : *And amazingly, the people on the Kombucha mailing list actually talk

> : about the subject itself, instead of about each other*

> :

> : *Really!*

> :

> : Brian

>

> That's because it's a major fad-cult, and the Emperor's clothes aren't at

> issue. There is more hype and unsubstantiated claim about Kombucha than about

> almost any other natural product currently available. Not that it's not good

> stuff, but the claims beg credulity.

>

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

> --

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 22 Jul 1995 19:12:00 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Nancy Goren <nancy@TUX.MUSIC.ASU.EDU>

Subject:      Kombucha hype



Paul -



Do you say this:

> That's because it's a major fad-cult, and the Emperor's clothes aren't at

> issue. There is more hype and unsubstantiated claim about Kombucha than about

> almost any other natural product currently available. Not that it's not good

> stuff, but the claims beg credulity.



because you have read research which demonstrates that it is

unsubstantiated hype, or because your prejudices tell you that the claims

couldn't possibly be true?   Wouldn't you rather drink Kombucha than take

mega doses of aspirin for arthritis?  How many "mature" women wouldn't give

a fortune to have their wrinkles smoothed out simply by drinking Kombucha.

I know these things are true because I have experienced them.



--

Nancy Goren

 nancy@tux.music.asu.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 17:03:53 +1000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Fruity flavour in herb teas.



>Hi!

>

>I like to use my summer holidays for Craft projects. Currently, I'm

>making my own tea bags of herbal blends. One kind of tea that is

>available commercially, but that I haven't been able to reproduce, is

>fruit tea.

>

>Usually use added flavours. Look at ingredients. Sometimes essential oils some

>times sythetics.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 06:30:50 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Kombucha hype

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <v01510101ac36fbc41b20@[129.219.5.7]> on 7/22/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Paul -

:

: Do you say this:

: > That's because it's a major fad-cult, and the Emperor's clothes aren't at

: > issue. There is more hype and unsubstantiated claim about Kombucha

: than about > almost any other natural product currently available.

: Not that it's not good > stuff, but the claims beg credulity.

:

: because you have read research which demonstrates that it is

: unsubstantiated hype, or because your prejudices tell you that the

: claims couldn't possibly be true?   Wouldn't you rather drink

: Kombucha than take mega doses of aspirin for arthritis?  How many

: "mature" women wouldn't give a fortune to have their wrinkles

: smoothed out simply by drinking Kombucha. I know these things are

: true because I have experienced them.

:

: --

: Nancy Goren



I am a healer, so such a statement on my part does not flow from an embrace

of conventional drugs. Nor did I say that Kombucha had no value to the

health. In fact, I have defended its use as traditional over and over.



That does not decrease the fact that a stupendous amount of hype is involved.

Both effects you point to can be a result of improved digestive and bowel

function. But the hype extends to a range of utterly unsubstantiated claims

as if Kombucha was a standalone pharmacy and health care system. Which is

what is called a panacea--and a simple examination of Yin/Yang theory would

show you that NOTHING is good for everyone or everything, especially not in

whatever quantity is desired.



Plenty of Kombucha adherents claim that the contamination issues are

nonexistent--which is simple ignorance. Others claim false historical 'facts'

as the basis for its perfect safety. Still others claim a variety of chemical

wonders that this one substance possesses independently of all other

substances.



Folk medicine regularly embraces solo herbals with a kind of hysteria. I have

lived through many of these cycles. Remember when Pau 'Arco was the healing

agent of the ages? Brewer's Yeast? Royal Jelly? Alfalfa? Pycnogenol?

Youghurt? Kefir? Miso? Gingko? Molasses? Chromium? Co-Q10? Golden Seal?

Echinacea? Garlic? Kelp? Chlorella? ...? The list is endless, and each has

its cult of heartfelt adherents, each its list of claims a mile long--and

each fades eventually from full glory, to be replaced by something else. The

best that can be said is that such foods AS LIFESTYLE PRACTICES, are

generally healthful if properly cultured. Healing with single 'perfect

substances' is temporary and doomed to eventual decline of efficacy.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 10:43:13 -0100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      kombucha to the kombucha list, please



even if the herblist is quiet right now that is no excuse to start fighting

about kombucha. please take this discussion to the kombucha list.



thank you

HeK

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 01:57:31 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Georgann K. Cunney" <curious@AIMNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Candida

In-Reply-To:  <ac2322a118021004586b@[140.251.2.202]>



Hi Carolyn,



Sorry to take so long to reply, I haven't been on the computor lately.

Wow the e-mail sure piles up!  I am replying to your request for the

saltless sauerkraut recipe from Paul Pitchfords book "Healing With Whole

Foods: Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition".  And for anyone else

reading this, I had mentioned that I found this to be very beneficial

for candida.



Page 569, (I will directly quote much of the following from the book):



A small serving of pickles after meals aids in digestion.  All pickles

can be made from carrots, daikon radish, broccoli, cucumbers, cabbage,

cauliflower, greens, turnips, ect.



The pickles in these recipes can be beneficial for restoring the

intestinal flora by promoting the growth of healthful Lactobacillus

acidophilus.  For those with candida overgrowth, cancer, and other

degenerative conditions of impaired immunity, salt is restricted, and so

the raw saltless sauerkraut is recommended in these cases,  In addition,

cabbage itself has important immune-enhancing properties.  Raw saltless

sauerkraut is also recommended in the treatment of ulcers.



RAW SALTLESS SAUERKRAUT



Minimum of 25 pounds of vegetables.  Use mainly cabbage with beets and

carrots.  If desired: add  celery, garlic, herbs, and soaked, chopped

seaweeds such as dulse, wakame, and kelp.  Any other vegetable can also

be used.



* Use stainless steel or ceramic crock (a 5-gallon container will hold

approximately 35 pounds of vegetables).

* Grind up vegetables with a food processor, Champion Juicer (remove the

screen), standard-size grater; or cut them up.

* If you don't use salt, the vegetables must be made juicier: put them in

a stainless steel bowl or other unbreakable container and pound them with

a baseball bat or board until some juice flows out-the more the juice,

the better (I use my hands; after I chop everything I put it all through

the food processor and then into a good size crock, I then squeeze it alll

with my hands to release the juices).

* Place the vegetables in the crock.  Don't fill to the brim (the fer-

menting vegetables will expand).  If salt is used, mix it in now.

* Put many fresh cabbage leaves on top of the vegetables.

* Gently, yet firmly and evenly, compress the leaves using your hands

and body weight.

* Put a plate as wide as possible on the crock.

* Put a rock or other weight on the plate (I use a gallon jar which I

fill with water and put the lid on).  Check that the weight is right and

the plate is sitting even and flat a few times in the next 24-36 hours.

* Let the vegetables sit in a well-ventilated room at room temperature

(between 6-7 days at 62 degrees F and 5-6 days at 70 degrees F), throw

away the old cabbage leaves and the moldy and discolored vegetables on

the top.

* Put the remaining sauerkraut in glass jars and refrigerate.  Will keep

for 4 to 8 months when kept at 34 degrees F and opened minimally.  Do not

freeze.  If salt is used, then the kraut can be kept at temperatures as

high as 40 degrees F.



Note: The best fermentation takes place when at least 25 pounds of

vegetables are used; however, smaller amounts of sauerkraut can be made

with acceptable results.  For instance, for a first attempt at kraut-

making, try two large heads of cabbage in this recipe.





I have made this recipe with 1 head of green cabbage chopped

                             4 ribs of cellery chopped

                             3 carrots grated



I would like to try adding seaweed next time (maybe dulse, wakame, or

kelp, or a combination), also garlic!!! and maybe some herbs (I'm not

sure what yet, I wonder what might be good fermented - for candida (?)),

also, maybe ginger or...?  This is as far as I have gotten.



I would like to hear any ideas or comments :)



Georgann



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 10:03:14 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Liver Detox and Kombucha hype

In-Reply-To:  <17887198.16239287@pop.com>



Paul



It is useless to defend your views when the other party enjoys the

argument. Note how you turned a simple reply from me to someone about a

liver detoxifier into a tirade about fanaticism and hype.  If anyone

defends the tea it "appears" as if they defend the the hype.  Then, you

come back with something that sounds logical and even seems to agree in

part.

Then you sermonize on the subject YOU introduced, and troll for

more. Everybody who as ever been helped by Pau 'Arco, Brewer's Yeast, Royal

Jelly, Alfalfa, Pycnogenol, Youghurt, Kefir, Miso, Gingko, Molasses,

Chromium, Co-Q10, Golden Seal, Echinacea, Garlic, Kelp, or  Chlorella is

going to be on the defensive. Tell me what this has to do with the

original subject --liver detoxification.



For all your vitrol I dont even know what you believe about kombucha.

Do you believe:

A: Yes it can detoxify the liver.

B: No, it can't detoxify the liver.

C: Maybe sometimes it can detoxify the liver.

D: Don't know.



How do  you call yourself a healer when all I seen from you is tearing

down of others? People with good and interesting things to share are

afraid to post for fear of coming under your scrutiny.

 

I have no doubt that you know about herbs out the yin/yang, It would be

nice if you could share with the group your expertise in the subject at

hand and let others do the same.



Regards,

Brian



On Sun, 23 Jul 1995, Paul Iannone wrote:



> In message ID <v01510101ac36fbc41b20@[129.219.5.7]> on 7/22/95,

> HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

> : Paul -

> :

> : Do you say this:

> : > That's because it's a major fad-cult, and the Emperor's clothes aren't at

> : > issue. There is more hype and unsubstantiated claim about Kombucha

> : than about > almost any other natural product currently available.

> : Not that it's not good > stuff, but the claims beg credulity.

> :

> : because you have read research which demonstrates that it is

> : unsubstantiated hype, or because your prejudices tell you that the

> : claims couldn't possibly be true?   Wouldn't you rather drink

> : Kombucha than take mega doses of aspirin for arthritis?  How many

> : "mature" women wouldn't give a fortune to have their wrinkles

> : smoothed out simply by drinking Kombucha. I know these things are

> : true because I have experienced them.

> :

> : --

> : Nancy Goren

>

> I am a healer, so such a statement on my part does not flow from an embrace

> of conventional drugs. Nor did I say that Kombucha had no value to the

> health. In fact, I have defended its use as traditional over and over.

>

> That does not decrease the fact that a stupendous amount of hype is involved.

> Both effects you point to can be a result of improved digestive and bowel

> function. But the hype extends to a range of utterly unsubstantiated claims

> as if Kombucha was a standalone pharmacy and health care system. Which is

> what is called a panacea--and a simple examination of Yin/Yang theory would

> show you that NOTHING is good for everyone or everything, especially not in

> whatever quantity is desired.

>

> Plenty of Kombucha adherents claim that the contamination issues are

> nonexistent--which is simple ignorance. Others claim false historical 'facts'

> as the basis for its perfect safety. Still others claim a variety of chemical

> wonders that this one substance possesses independently of all other

> substances.

>

> Folk medicine regularly embraces solo herbals with a kind of hysteria. I have

> lived through many of these cycles. Remember when Pau 'Arco was the healing

> agent of the ages? Brewer's Yeast? Royal Jelly? Alfalfa? Pycnogenol?

> Youghurt? Kefir? Miso? Gingko? Molasses? Chromium? Co-Q10? Golden Seal?

> Echinacea? Garlic? Kelp? Chlorella? ...? The list is endless, and each has

> its cult of heartfelt adherents, each its list of claims a mile long--and

> each fades eventually from full glory, to be replaced by something else. The

> best that can be said is that such foods AS LIFESTYLE PRACTICES, are

> generally healthful if properly cultured. Healing with single 'perfect

> substances' is temporary and doomed to eventual decline of efficacy.

>

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

> --

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 19:58:51 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Liver Detox and Kombucha hype

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <Pine.SOL.3.91.950723093436.247C-100000@clark.net> on 7/23/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Paul

:

: It is useless to defend your views when the other party enjoys the

: argument. Note how you turned a simple reply from me to someone about a

: liver detoxifier into a tirade about fanaticism and hype.  If anyone

: defends the tea it "appears" as if they defend the the hype.  Then, you

: come back with something that sounds logical and even seems to agree

: in part. Then you sermonize on the subject YOU introduced, and troll for

: more. Everybody who as ever been helped by Pau 'Arco, Brewer's

: Yeast, Royal Jelly, Alfalfa, Pycnogenol, Youghurt, Kefir, Miso,

: Gingko, Molasses, Chromium, Co-Q10, Golden Seal, Echinacea, Garlic,

: Kelp, or  Chlorella is going to be on the defensive. Tell me what

: this has to do with the original subject --liver detoxification.

:

: For all your vitrol I dont even know what you believe about kombucha.

: Do you believe:

: A: Yes it can detoxify the liver.

: B: No, it can't detoxify the liver.

: C: Maybe sometimes it can detoxify the liver.

: D: Don't know.

:

: How do  you call yourself a healer when all I seen from you is tearing

: down of others? People with good and interesting things to share are

: afraid to post for fear of coming under your scrutiny.

:

: I have no doubt that you know about herbs out the yin/yang, It would be

: nice if you could share with the group your expertise in the subject at

: hand and let others do the same.

:

: Regards,

: Brian



Actually, Brian, the reply to Nancy was specific to her comment and

question--it indeed has nothing to do with the original thread topic, except

as a background for the Kombucha issue itself. It is unfortunate that you

failed to note that there is tons of hype regarding Kombucha, but rather left

it to appear that it is 'well-dressed' in the New Clothes of the Next

Panacea. I am solidly opposed to the cultic view of herbs, and speak out

against it since I feel it does healing a disservice. Just take Kombucha--why

do you need a diagnosis?



Detoxifying the liver? There is no such concept in the system of healing that

I practice (East-Asian Traditional Healing), or at least there is no single

concept that this relates to. Maybe it does 'detoxify the liver,' and maybe

that is a good thing. You are referring to a chemical issue (the presence of

certain enzymes in the drink), and it has to be demonstrated that that

chemical is absorbed intact before you can speculate that it acts on the

liver. What I have seen of the evidence, it is restricted to career

Naturopaths who make false statements, especially historic, in support of

their claims.



As for the fear of posting I supposedly engender, really you are talking

about a lack of courage in hearsay convictions, that otherwise are simply

hung in cyberspace as unvarnished truth. This is why I referred to the

Emperor's New Clothes, a fundamental paradigm of social conviction. If

everyone says something is so, it must be. Sorry to be the naysayer in that

crowd, but Kombucha is, as far as I can tell, a traditional product that

sorely needs to be separated from its hype and folk belief system. It is VERY

similar to other homemade cultures, and should not be unduly treated as the

herb god of the month. In view of that, a listing of the previous gods is

instructive (and I left many out). We have heard all this before.



Thread drift is always a problem--sorry if your comments didn't have a chance

to fully develop (I'm sincerely sorry if I stepped on the thread--please post

on).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 17:20:53 -0400

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From:         MATAN1 <MATAN1@ITHACA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Liver Detox and Kombucha hype

In-Reply-To:  <151842814.19151704@pop.com>



How can i get off the list?

Thanks in advance for the response.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 17:00:48 CDT

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From:         david306@CLUBHOUSE.EMAIL.NET

Subject:      Tea party tea



        In spite of the fact that I was unable to locate (through

e-mail, the ONLY access I have) the Kambucho (sp?) tea list, I am

very curious to know if there is a conference about what I consider

to be REAL tea - the kind they make gunpowder tea and black tea and

oolong tea out of; the kind that got dumped in the Boston Harbor back

in 1775 or 6 (I left my date book in the bedroom and don't feel like

getting up).   Tea itself has many properties that can help ME feel

better (I don't know if it's real or not, and I don't care), and I

would very much like to become better informed about it.   So if

anyone has an address they could forward to me, I'd appreciate it!

        Peace!

        David Roland Strong

        Austin Texas

        david306@clubhouse.email.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 18:00:38 EDT

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From:         MR BILL BUCHANAN <AHRC60A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Re: FAQ's about Herb List



   Hi, members,

   I haven't subscribed yet, but am very interested.  Can you tell me

   how I may obtain a FAQ about Herbs and/or the Herbal List?

   Right now, I'm writing about Alternative/Conventional Medicine.

   I've been studying Kombucha Mushroom Tea; magnetic field therapy;

   Chelation therapy, and other treatments which are so old in some

   parts of the world that they're new here and not yet accepted by

   the FDA, the AMA or the general public.

   I want to learn more about how herbal therapy is used to replace

   allopathic medicine and drug treatment.

   Please, let me hear from you privately by e-Mail.

   Regards,

   Bill Buchanan

   AHRC60A@prodigy.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 09:51:56 +1000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: Scented candles.



>Hi!

>

>I'm making scented candles using essential oils. The problem is that I

>have to use such a lot of oil to get any scent when I burn the candle.

>Now I wonder if I can use finely ground herbs to scent the candles

>either alone or in addition to the oils.

What % are you using?

2to 5% should be more than enough. Some oils are better than others.

Orange, lavender and citronella oil should be cheap. You might find good

quality perfume oil will give a better result



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 09:52:21 +1000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Glucuronic acid (was: Best Liver Detoxifiers)



>Kombucha tea contains glucuronic acid.  Glucuronic acid is used by the

>liver to render certain toxins non-toxic; the glucuronic acid is attached

>to the toxin molecule, forming a glucuronide which is then excreted in the

>urine.

Are there any other plants that contain glucuronic acid. Is it stable in the gut

MBTFG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 19:45:42 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         ROBERT TOLBERT <rlt@VNET.NET>

Subject:      Re: Herb Shareware

In-Reply-To:  <199507221515.IAA19990@bud.indirect.com> from "phxhawk" at Jul

              22, 95 08:15:22 am



Does anyone know where these programs may be in a Macintosh format?



>

> July 8th, B. Jaycox posted that he'd found 4 herb shareware programs

> at an ftp site.

> Herbage for Dos v1.0 herbage1.zip

> Herb Power v2.0 herbp21.zip

> Healing Powers of Herbs  hph2.zip

> The Illustrated Medical Herbal Encyclopedia medherb1.zip

>

> I've located the programs at a WWW site. The URL address is:

> http://www.acs.oakland.edu/oak/simtel/msdos/food.html

> The is the home of the Oak Software Repository.

>

> Have fun!

> *********************************************************

> "It is a mistake that there is a bath that will cure people's manners,

> but drowning would help."

>                           Mark Twain

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 18:35:23 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Kombucha hype



Paul says>Folk medicine regularly embraces solo herbals with a kind of hysteria. I have

lived through many of these cycles. Remember when Pau 'Arco was the healing

agent of the ages? Brewer's Yeast? Royal Jelly? Alfalfa? Pycnogenol?

Youghurt? Kefir? Miso? Gingko? Molasses? Chromium? Co-Q10? Golden Seal?

Echinacea? Garlic? Kelp? Chlorella? ...? The list is endless, and each has

its cult of heartfelt adherents, each its list of claims a mile long--and

each fades eventually from full glory, to be replaced by something else. The

best that can be said is that such foods AS LIFESTYLE PRACTICES, are

generally healthful if properly cultured. Healing with single 'perfect

substances' is temporary and doomed to eventual decline of efficacy.



There  are good reasons the above mentioned items reached "fad" status.

They worked and still work for many people. The problem is that they have

been portrayed as panacea's for everything and it's just not so. Each of

the above mentioned articles have a very firm place in natural healing and

they will not go away. As people become more informed and educated in

the field of natural health there will be better and mor informed selection

of the proper healing tools. I will welcome the day when natural healing

becomes the norm rather than the exception. It seems that in the last 20

years there has been a grudging acceptance of nutrition as a major player

in health by the allopathic community. They are increasigly aware that

antibiotics can't cure it all. I was even asked once in an emergency room

if I was using any herbal remedies. It seems that they are becoming

cautious un mixing their remedies with home applied remedies (with good

reason). You are 100% correct in saying it all boils down to Lifestyle

practices but one has to start somewhere. If it takes a "fad" to see what

great things can be accomplished with natural healing and herbs, then I'm

all for the fads. Let them come. There will be a few who will abuse but

for most it will be beneficial.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 20:34:04 -0600

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Michael J. Smith" <msmith@OLDCOLO.COM>

Subject:      wild yams



I recently read an article about the use of wild yam in gel caps as a

form of birth control.  The article warned that it is only effective if

taken in regular doses (3 size 00 capsules twice a day) and then you have

to wait 2 months before it works.  I would be willing to try it--I've had

a horrible time with conventional birth control, but the article had no

references or explaination of how the wild yams work.  Has anyone else

heard of this?  I'd appreciate any info.



Candice Smith

msmith@oldcolo.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 18:41:22 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Tea party tea



There's a good reference for this subject available fro Grieve's A MODERN

HERBAL. It's a good all around informative book and it may be available

in your local library.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 23 Jul 1995 23:27:23 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      General Hype and Fanfare

In-Reply-To:  <01HT7WVG99DIHSN1DK@ua.acad1.alaska.edu>



I guess advertising is a mixed bag, there seems to be a fanfare as each

new|rediscovered|conventional-medicine-approved herb or nutritional

component is introduced to the consumer. It is unfortunate that the

manufacturers of alternative medicine products feel the need to whip up

some hype to sell their wares. The gullible sometimes have difficulty

distinguishing fact and fad.



Without the fanfare, hoopla and hype--and perhaps mostly profit motive, how

many of us would know anything about any of these things.

I certainly hae nothing against the wisdom of the ancients, but I am glad

research continues on all fronts to heal and strengthen, even if $$$ is

the motive.

Is it possibled to find common ground here?

Regards

Brian



On Sun, 23 Jul 1995, Anita F Hales wrote:



> Paul says>Folk medicine regularly embraces solo herbals with a kind of hysteria. I have

> lived through many of these cycles. Remember when Pau 'Arco was the healing

> agent of the ages? Brewer's Yeast? Royal Jelly? Alfalfa? Pycnogenol?

> Youghurt? Kefir? Miso? Gingko? Molasses? Chromium? Co-Q10? Golden Seal?

> Echinacea? Garlic? Kelp? Chlorella? ...? The list is endless, and each has

> its cult of heartfelt adherents, each its list of claims a mile long--and

> each fades eventually from full glory, to be replaced by something else. The

> best that can be said is that such foods AS LIFESTYLE PRACTICES, are

> generally healthful if properly cultured. Healing with single 'perfect

> substances' is temporary and doomed to eventual decline of efficacy.

>

> There  are good reasons the above mentioned items reached "fad" status.

> They worked and still work for many people. The problem is that they have

> been portrayed as panacea's for everything and it's just not so. Each of

> the above mentioned articles have a very firm place in natural healing and

> they will not go away. As people become more informed and educated in

> the field of natural health there will be better and mor informed selection

> of the proper healing tools. I will welcome the day when natural healing

> becomes the norm rather than the exception. It seems that in the last 20

> years there has been a grudging acceptance of nutrition as a major player

> in health by the allopathic community. They are increasigly aware that

> antibiotics can't cure it all. I was even asked once in an emergency room

> if I was using any herbal remedies. It seems that they are becoming

> cautious un mixing their remedies with home applied remedies (with good

> reason). You are 100% correct in saying it all boils down to Lifestyle

> practices but one has to start somewhere. If it takes a "fad" to see what

> great things can be accomplished with natural healing and herbs, then I'm

> all for the fads. Let them come. There will be a few who will abuse but

> for most it will be beneficial.

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 01:19:30 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: wild yams



In a message dated 95-07-23 22:45:09 EDT, msmith@OLDCOLO.COM (Michael J.

Smith) writes:



>I recently read an article about the use of wild yam in gel caps as a

>form of birth control.  The article warned that it is only effective if

>taken in regular doses (3 size 00 capsules twice a day) and then you have

>to wait 2 months before it works.  I would be willing to try it--I've had

>a horrible time with conventional birth control, but the article had no

>references or explaination of how the wild yams work.  Has anyone else

>heard of this?  I'd appreciate any info.

>

>Candice Smith



I had heard from my midwife that they worked for birth control.  I asked the

group but did not get much discussion on it.  I would be interested if

someone knows the action there also.



Deb



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 01:43:55 -0800

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From:         Peggy Wilbur <moon2peg@SLIP.NET>

Subject:      Re: wild yams



Greetings Folks,

I have been away from the list for some time (due to lots of study and

work), but have been reading mail when I have a chance.  I do have to jump

in on this one, though, because I feel that it is important to nip this one

in the bud. The following is based on my own extensive research on

phytoestrogens.  While my research has led me deep into the chemistry of

phytoestrogens and the physiology of the endocrine system, I keep it very

basic here...In reply to:



>In a message dated 95-07-23 22:45:09 EDT, msmith@OLDCOLO.COM (Michael J.

>Smith) writes:

>

>>I recently read an article about the use of wild yam in gel caps as a

>>form of birth control.  The article warned that it is only effective if

>>taken in regular doses (3 size 00 capsules twice a day) and then you have

>>to wait 2 months before it works.  I would be willing to try it--I've had

>>a horrible time with conventional birth control, but the article had no

>>references or explaination of how the wild yams work.  Has anyone else

>>heard of this?  I'd appreciate any info.

>>

>>Candice Smith

>

>I had heard from my midwife that they worked for birth control.  I asked the

>group but did not get much discussion on it.  I would be interested if

>someone knows the action there also.

>

>Deb





Wild Yam, (Dioscorea villosa), contains a number of substances known as

phytoestrogens. Phytoestrogens are those plant chemicals that bind to our

cells' estrogen receptor sites and, theoretically, trigger the components

of estrogenic activity (activity does not necessarily mean production).

This binding is possible due to striking similarities, in shape and

structure, to the body's own steroids. By binding to these estrogen

receptor sites when blood estrogen levels are high, phytoestrogens are,

again theoretically, able to reduce overall estrogen activity (Key to the

estrogen-induced breast cancer debate). Conversely, when estrogen levels

are low, they are able to promote estrogenic action.



Well over 250 plant species contain phytoestrogens, including, for example,

Dong quai (Angelica sinensis), Red clover (Trifolium praetens), Alfalfa

(Medicago sativum), Licorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra), Fennel (Foeniculum

vulgare), Black Cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa), and Soybean (Glycine max).

There is much controvery surrounding the uses of such plants both

medicinally and nutritionally.



Some herbalists (and others) believe that the phytoestrogens found in the

Wild Yam, including steroidal saponins (mainly diosgenin), are hormone

"precursors", especially of progesterone.  However, while diosgenin from D.

villosa was once widely used, through an industrial five-step chemical

degradation (e.g. the Marker degredation), in the industry manufacturing of

progesterone-containing birth control pills, the human body is not capable

of such a synthesis using phytoestrogens as a starting point.  Our bodies

simply do not have the enzymes necessary for such a "building block"

conversion.  The estrogenic effects that have been noted (i.e. in relation

to relief of various menopausal discomforts) may very well be due to the

previously mentioned binding of phytoestrogens to estrogen receptor sites,

which occurs when phytosterols cross the cell membrane and bind to a

specific cytoplasmic receptor molecule.  The receptor-hormone combination

then enters the nucleus, where it binds to a particular DNA sequence by

attaching itself to a specific site on a chromosome.  This attachment

activates those genes responsible for hormone-induced changes. (It gets a

bit more complicated than this, but I'll spare you!)



So again, while some steroids are bioconverted or biosynthesized through

the metabolic action of the liver to produce sex hormones (i.e. cholesterol

> estradiol), the liver does not produce estrogen or progesterone by

"building" upon the diosgenin in D. villosa.



Very brief, but hope this is of some use to you both.  Wild Yam does not

act as a birth control pill just because birth control pills were once

synthesized from its constituents. While some women may write back and say

that the Yam has been effective for them, I might ask what other factors

may be at play in their lives that may be responsible for a lack of

pregnancy.



Thanks for reading this long reply.



In Viriditas,

Peggy



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 10:17:00 EST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Laird, Becky L." <blh3@CIDDVD1.EM.CDC.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Herbs



> Donq quai and red raspberry tea help with the menapausal symptoms.

> I find nettles tea also helps since it is so high in calcium and iron.

> Calcium is good for pms symptoms and also the symptoms you described.

> Deb



>

>In addition many of the women I see have sucess with Motherwort (Leonurus

> cardiaca) Generally tincture is easiest with this herb. Tea of it is  a

> little bitter. It seems to help most in my experience with hot flashes,

> nerves, and nightmares in some cases.

        Colette Gardiner



  hi,



  I have been taking Black Cohosh for about 3 years for hot flashes and other

mp symtoms. I resently started also using mexician wild yam topical cream.

The cohosh is a progesterone precursor where as the yam is an estrogen.

I have also used Dong Quai but I think it is alittle strong for me. I get

irratable and weepy after taking it for a while. I also have found that if

you give your adreanals support, ie.  especially vitanine B6 and B5, they

will take over some of the estrogen production. I have heard that if they are

in good shape you my not have any serious menopausal symptoms. I have heard

this from an MD as well.      Hope this helps.



                                              Becky L.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:33:52 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Werner Wachter <wwachter@MAGNET.AT>

Organization: magnet Online Service

Subject:      GINSENG ???



Does anybody know something about the medical usage of

         ginseng

????

Or does anybody know where to search for GINSENG via Internet ?



Help or answers will bring some SPECIAL THANKS from Austria/Europe :-)



Werner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 10:52:19 CDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Shirley Bates <shirley@BATESX.CS.HOU.COMPAQ.COM>

Subject:      Interpretation of Blood Tests



Hi Everyone,



Would like to know if anyone knows of a book (plain English)

that could help me interpret the results of my blood tests.



Thanks.



--

Shirley

shirley@batesx.cs.hou.compaq.com



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                    | when i breathe in

                    |   i breathe the leaves

                    | when i breathe out

                    |   the leaves breathe me

                    | we are breath of life

                    |   each to the other

                    | both essential to the

                    |   whole

                    |

                    -------------jo mccormick



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 09:46:29 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Glucuronic acid (was: Best Liver Detoxifiers)

In-Reply-To:  <199507232352.JAA08049@oznet02.ozemail.com.au>



On Mon, 24 Jul 1995 frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU wrote:



> >Kombucha tea contains glucuronic acid.  Glucuronic acid is used by the

> >liver to render certain toxins non-toxic; the glucuronic acid is attached

> >to the toxin molecule, forming a glucuronide which is then excreted in the

> >urine.



> Are there any other plants that contain glucuronic acid. Is it stable in the gut

> MBTFG



I have no idea but I do know that pectin (polygalacturonic acid) is made

of galacturonic acid, which is quite similar to glucuronic acid, and

might conceivably be interconverted.  I don't know how available the

galacturonic acid would be, though... pectin breaks down into

galacturonic acid during ripening, but I'm not sure how much.



Just some thoughts... anyone know more about this?



Peter                                   plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 10:03:48 -0700

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From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: wild yams

In-Reply-To:  <v01510100ac390ab245a8@[204.160.88.253]>



Peggy,



I can understand the reasons why you think wild yam would not work as a

form of birth control, but your belief is based on theory, in vitro

experiments, animal experiments etc. and not on practice, and not in

human beings.



I would be more likely to believe empirical evidence (people who have

successfully used it, like my wife) than on a theory about what a few of

the compounds in the yam are "supposed" to do.  If the experimental

evidence doesn't support the observations, then not all of the variables

have been considered by the experimenters.  Don't be so quick to assume

that people for whom this has worked are too ignorant to account for

"other factors [that] may be at play in their lives that may be responsible

for a lack of pregnancy."



As far as I'm concerned, the burden of proof is on the researchers, not

on the people who are able to get the desired results.



Peter                                           plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, Peggy Wilbur wrote:



> Greetings Folks,

> I have been away from the list for some time (due to lots of study and

> work), but have been reading mail when I have a chance.  I do have to jump

> in on this one, though, because I feel that it is important to nip this one

> in the bud. The following is based on my own extensive research on

> phytoestrogens.  While my research has led me deep into the chemistry of

> phytoestrogens and the physiology of the endocrine system, I keep it very

> basic here...In reply to:

>

> >In a message dated 95-07-23 22:45:09 EDT, msmith@OLDCOLO.COM (Michael J.

> >Smith) writes:

> >

> >>I recently read an article about the use of wild yam in gel caps as a

> >>form of birth control.  The article warned that it is only effective if

> >>taken in regular doses (3 size 00 capsules twice a day) and then you have

> >>to wait 2 months before it works.  I would be willing to try it--I've had

> >>a horrible time with conventional birth control, but the article had no

> >>references or explaination of how the wild yams work.  Has anyone else

> >>heard of this?  I'd appreciate any info.

> >>

> >>Candice Smith

> >

> >I had heard from my midwife that they worked for birth control.  I asked the

> >group but did not get much discussion on it.  I would be interested if

> >someone knows the action there also.

> >

> >Deb

>

>

> Wild Yam, (Dioscorea villosa), contains a number of substances known as

> phytoestrogens. Phytoestrogens are those plant chemicals that bind to our

> cells' estrogen receptor sites and, theoretically, trigger the components

> of estrogenic activity (activity does not necessarily mean production).

> This binding is possible due to striking similarities, in shape and

> structure, to the body's own steroids. By binding to these estrogen

> receptor sites when blood estrogen levels are high, phytoestrogens are,

> again theoretically, able to reduce overall estrogen activity (Key to the

> estrogen-induced breast cancer debate). Conversely, when estrogen levels

> are low, they are able to promote estrogenic action.

>

> Well over 250 plant species contain phytoestrogens, including, for example,

> Dong quai (Angelica sinensis), Red clover (Trifolium praetens), Alfalfa

> (Medicago sativum), Licorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra), Fennel (Foeniculum

> vulgare), Black Cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa), and Soybean (Glycine max).

> There is much controvery surrounding the uses of such plants both

> medicinally and nutritionally.

>

> Some herbalists (and others) believe that the phytoestrogens found in the

> Wild Yam, including steroidal saponins (mainly diosgenin), are hormone

> "precursors", especially of progesterone.  However, while diosgenin from D.

> villosa was once widely used, through an industrial five-step chemical

> degradation (e.g. the Marker degredation), in the industry manufacturing of

> progesterone-containing birth control pills, the human body is not capable

> of such a synthesis using phytoestrogens as a starting point.  Our bodies

> simply do not have the enzymes necessary for such a "building block"

> conversion.  The estrogenic effects that have been noted (i.e. in relation

> to relief of various menopausal discomforts) may very well be due to the

> previously mentioned binding of phytoestrogens to estrogen receptor sites,

> which occurs when phytosterols cross the cell membrane and bind to a

> specific cytoplasmic receptor molecule.  The receptor-hormone combination

> then enters the nucleus, where it binds to a particular DNA sequence by

> attaching itself to a specific site on a chromosome.  This attachment

> activates those genes responsible for hormone-induced changes. (It gets a

> bit more complicated than this, but I'll spare you!)

>

> So again, while some steroids are bioconverted or biosynthesized through

> the metabolic action of the liver to produce sex hormones (i.e. cholesterol

> > estradiol), the liver does not produce estrogen or progesterone by

> "building" upon the diosgenin in D. villosa.

>

> Very brief, but hope this is of some use to you both.  Wild Yam does not

> act as a birth control pill just because birth control pills were once

> synthesized from its constituents. While some women may write back and say

> that the Yam has been effective for them, I might ask what other factors

> may be at play in their lives that may be responsible for a lack of

> pregnancy.

>

> Thanks for reading this long reply.

>

> In Viriditas,

> Peggy

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 19:50:31 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Glucuronic acid (was: Best Liver Detoxifier



In message ID

<Pine.SOL.3.91.950724094358.20627E-100000@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> Date: Mon,

24 Jul 1995 09:46:29 -0700 on 7/24/95, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: On Mon, 24 Jul 1995 frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU wrote:

:

: > >Kombucha tea contains glucuronic acid.  Glucuronic acid is used by the

: > >liver to render certain toxins non-toxic; the glucuronic acid is

attached

: > >to the toxin molecule, forming a glucuronide which is then

: excreted in the > >urine.

:

: > Are there any other plants that contain glucuronic acid. Is it

: stable in the  gut > MBTFG

:

: I have no idea but I do know that pectin (polygalacturonic acid) is made

: of galacturonic acid, which is quite similar to glucuronic acid, and

: might conceivably be interconverted.  I don't know how available the

: galacturonic acid would be, though... pectin breaks down into

: galacturonic acid during ripening, but I'm not sure how much.

:

: Just some thoughts... anyone know more about this?

:

: Peter                                   plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



I don't have additional information than that, BUT, I will wager that this

justification for Kombucha-fever would prove to be fairly ubiquitous in

nature, especially among food ferments. I would certainly expect that you

would find the same chemistry in raw apple cider vinegar, for instance--or in

raw sauerkraut.



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:17:36 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      rattlesnake root and false bamboo



There are a couple on intriguing plants I've been noticing locally. One is

Rattlesnake root. The name suggests it may have been used in connection with

rattlesnakes. The "root" is actually a rhizome with a very pungent odor,

yellow in color. It gets lovely white blossoms and the leaf is arrowhead

shaped. If anyone has information on this plant, I'd like to know.

The other plant is called locally "false bamboo". It has a long jointed,

hollow stalk and large elephantear shaped leaves. I have been unable to find

this plant in my field guides so it must be an introduced species.

Anybody got any ideas on the scientific name or uses of this plant?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 15:26:19 -0800

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From:         Juan Ros <juan_ros@BGENT.COM>

Subject:      Lady's Mantle



Lady's Mantle

Hello.



My girlfriend suffers from endometriosis.  She read in a book on natural

healing that Lady's Mantle and White Willow are excellent herbs for her

condition.  But the same book described Lady's Mantle as having "estrogen-

like effects."



She is on oral contraception and is concerned that the Lady's Mantle will

interfere with her pill (which contains estrogen and progesterone).  She

recently underwent laparoscopic surgery for her endometriosis (in May),

but she still suffers from occasional side pain (her right ovary, she

suspects) and a bloated abdomen.



Can anyone shed any light on Lady's Mantle and its effects?  Also, does

anyone have any experience successfully treating endometriosis through

herbs or other natural means?



Much thanks,



--Juan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 17:31:25 CDT

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From:         Shirley Bates <shirley@BATESX.CS.HOU.COMPAQ.COM>

Subject:      Good Vibrations?



Hi Everyone,



Something has puzzled me for a long time and I thought that someone on

this list might have some information that could clarify this puzzle.



There are times when I feel a vibration inside of me.  Not a muscle twitch

or anything like that.  Not a rapid pulse.  Just a vibration.  Will last

for about 10 seconds then about a 3 second pause followed by another 10

seconds of vibrations, etc.



Sometimes it is strong enough to wake me from a sound sleep.  When awake,

the vibration will continue until I sit up or stand up.



The nearest known vibration I can relate this to is a chill.  But this

is not a chill.



Anyone have any info on this?



Thanks.



--

Shirley

shirley@batesx.cs.hou.compaq.com



                            &&&&&

                          &&&&&&&&&

                         &&|~_~_~|&&

                         &&(\0-0/)&&

                    ---ooOO--(_)--OOoo-------

                    |

                    | when i breathe in

                    |   i breathe the leaves

                    | when i breathe out

                    |   the leaves breathe me

                    | we are breath of life

                    |   each to the other

                    | both essential to the

                    |   whole

                    |

                    -------------jo mccormick



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 21:33:09 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Liz Vose <liz@ERVOSE.MV.COM>

Subject:      What to do with citrus leaves?



Hi,



I am from Maine so it is a real treat to be growing citrus plants inside.

I have an orange...my first, that is almost ready to pick and several

lemons in different stages of growth.  My question is...what can be done

with citrus LEAVES?  I have lemon, tangerine, orange, and grapefruit.  (My

lime plant didn't make it.)  Could someone who has these plants kicking

around tell me what they use them for?  Tea?  Infusions?  Salves?  Sachets?

Oils? Medicinal uses?  Don't want to poison myself or anything. I thought I

read some where that lime leaves might kill me...of course I seem to have

killed it first.



Liz from Maine



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:10:58 +1000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Solanum Poisioning



Solanum Poisioning

Sorry to take so long to reply to this hope you had others more responsive.

I seem to have lots of books on how to poison with herbs but few on

antidotes. (!)

I would think Solanum Nigrum green berry poison would be the same as Green

potato-solanine.

can't find correct antidote but still looking -others on list might know.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:11:01 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Good Vibrations?

In-Reply-To:  <m0saW21-0002NhC@batesx.cs.hou.compaq.com>



On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, Shirley Bates wrote:



> There are times when I feel a vibration inside of me.  Not a muscle twitch

> or anything like that.  Not a rapid pulse.  Just a vibration.  Will last

> for about 10 seconds then about a 3 second pause followed by another 10

> seconds of vibrations, etc.



I have something similar, generally at the place where I wear my

vibrating beeper/pager.  It'll feel exactly like the pager, even when I

don't wear it.  Haven't found what triggers it, but it is weird feeling.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 16:18:09 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Alfalfa a No-No?

Comments: To: Async User <thosmer@epix.net>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SUN.3.91.950723144040.988B-100000@mango.epix.net>



The wallchart came from

  LEGION OF LIGHT

  18653 Ventura Blvd #520

  Tarzana, CA 91356   818-997-3860

However....

  I've probably had it for more that 10 years.  Called the phone# and it

is "no longer in service".



Perhaps some helpful Angeleno will look in the phone book and see if they

are still around.  Maybe writing to them to see if the post office

forwards???



If any of you find them, let me know so I can order something new.



Jack vL







> > Looking at my wallchart of sources of vitamins/minerals, alfalfa shows up

> > as the best source for anything and everything...

>

>

>       Hi Jack:

>

>         That wall chart sounds interesting.  Sounds like something I

> would like to have hanging on my wall.  Is there a chance you would tell

> me where I can purchase/order one for myself.

>       Thanks in advance for replying to this request.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 20:21:48 EDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         JACK PORCELLO <porcelloj@ORION.CRC.MONROECC.EDU>

Subject:      Headaches, sinus pain



Hello,



        Does anyone have any suggestions for herbal remedies to ease

sinus headaches and also for clearing congestion?  I would appreciate

any ideas.



Thanks and Best Regarsds





 ****************************************************************************

 *  "Fare thee well!                      Jack Porcello                     *

 *   And if for ever,                     Storytelling & Balloon Art        *

 *   Still for ever,                      PO BOX 266                        *

 *   Fare thee well!"                     Mumford, NY 14511                 *

 *          Lord Byron                    porcelloj@orion.crc.monroecc.edu  *

 ****************************************************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:35:36 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Conrad Richter <conrad@RICHTERS.COM>

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Glucuronic acid (was: Best Liver Detoxifiers)



frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes:



> >Kombucha tea contains glucuronic acid.  Glucuronic acid is used by the

> >liver to render certain toxins non-toxic; the glucuronic acid is attached

> >to the toxin molecule, forming a glucuronide which is then excreted in the

> >urine.

> Are there any other plants that contain glucuronic acid.



Lots.  Glucuronic acid is a basic building block of plant cell walls,

especially those of the lower plants like algae.



Conrad Richter



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 05:56:09 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Good Vibrations?



In message ID <m0saW21-0002NhC@batesx.cs.hou.compaq.com> on 7/24/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hi Everyone,

:

: Something has puzzled me for a long time and I thought that someone on

: this list might have some information that could clarify this puzzle.

:

: There are times when I feel a vibration inside of me.  Not a muscle twitch

: or anything like that.  Not a rapid pulse.  Just a vibration.  Will last

: for about 10 seconds then about a 3 second pause followed by another

: 10 seconds of vibrations, etc.

:

: Sometimes it is strong enough to wake me from a sound sleep.  When awake,

: the vibration will continue until I sit up or stand up.

:

: The nearest known vibration I can relate this to is a chill.  But this

: is not a chill.

:

: Anyone have any info on this?

:

: Thanks.

:

: --

: Shirley



Is it associated with a sensation of muscle tension, bloating, or Heat?



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:57:37 +1000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: What to do with citrus leaves?



lemon leaves are used in India as amild tranqualising tea.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:58:43 +1000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Lets start our own fad was General Hype and Fanfare



>On Sun, 23 Jul 1995, Anita F Hales wrote:

>

>> Paul says>Folk medicine regularly embraces solo herbals with a kind of

>>hysteria. I have

>> lived through many of these cycles. Remember when Pau 'Arco was the healing

>> agent of the ages? Brewer's Yeast? Royal Jelly? Alfalfa? Pycnogenol?

>> Youghurt? Kefir? Miso? Gingko? Molasses? Chromium? Co-Q10? Golden Seal?

>> Echinacea? Garlic? Kelp? Chlorella? ...? The list is endless,

Comfrey ?

Fashions in herbs are like any other.(I predict the next trend will be

mushrooms/fungi.)

Fads do serve some useful purposes in raisng conciousness. The fad is often

precipitated by some new or groundbreking research (Feverfew Ginko)

 or someone's revival of a forgoten herb (Golden Seal, Chilli)

or some "new" western disease that responds to an ancient herb (Youghurt garlic)



. If it takes a "fad" to see what

>> great things can be accomplished with natural healing and herbs, then I'm

>> all for the fads. Let them come. There will be a few who will abuse but

>> for most it will be beneficial.



Lets start our own fad on this list just for fun.?

I find herbs are a little like people; boring and unimpressive at first

then the more you get to know them the more amazing and facinating they

become.

To start a fad then we need lots of information stories etc about any herb.

This then needs to be publiciced as much as possible.

Anyone feel mischevous and like to suggest some obscure herb we can start

collecting informatoion on (getting to know?) Not too obscure please



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 07:58:54 CDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Shirley Bates <shirley@BATESX.CS.HOU.COMPAQ.COM>

Subject:      Re: Good Vibrations?

In-Reply-To:  <4215734270.26502647@pop.com>; from "Paul Iannone" at Jul 25,

              95 5:56 am



>

> In message ID <m0saW21-0002NhC@batesx.cs.hou.compaq.com> on 7/24/95,

> HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

> : Hi Everyone,

> :

> : Something has puzzled me for a long time and I thought that someone on

> : this list might have some information that could clarify this puzzle.

> :

> : --

> : Shirley

>

> Is it associated with a sensation of muscle tension, bloating, or Heat?

>

> Paul

> - sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).

> --

>



Paul, haven't noticed any muscle tension, bloating or heat.  Just waking

up with the feel of the vibration.  Always happens when I'm laying down.

Either asleep or trying to go to sleep.  The only way to make it go away

is to sit up or stand up.



Any ideas?



Thanks.



--

Shirley

shirley@batesx.cs.hou.compaq.com



                            &&&&&

                          &&&&&&&&&

                         &&|~_~_~|&&

                         &&(\0-0/)&&

                    ---ooOO--(_)--OOoo-------

                    |

                    | when i breathe in

                    |   i breathe the leaves

                    | when i breathe out

                    |   the leaves breathe me

                    | we are breath of life

                    |   each to the other

                    | both essential to the

                    |   whole

                    |

                    -------------jo mccormick



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 11:34:11 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Tea party tea



I'm wondering if any of the learned confreres of herbalism out there know

what kind/form of bergamot is used to scent & flavor Earl Grey tea?  I've

long wanted to make my own blend from black tea but all my research has

produced no mention of how to do it.  Since this appears to be a subject of

limited interest, anyone with info might reply directly to to my email

address.  Thanks much in advance for any input.

CARRAS@AOL.COM



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 09:20:18 -0700

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From:         Kirk Adams <kadams@SPL.LIB.WA.US>

Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain

In-Reply-To:  <00993D8B.91839AC0.25@orion.crc.monroecc.edu>



Jack,

A naturopath here in Seattle recommended several things for me that help

a lot,

most effective is a shiatsu massage, self administered, index and middle

fingers of both hands close together pressing on points, fairly hard for

a couple of seconds.  Starting with middle of forehead, working back to

nape of nekc, pressing every inch or so.  MOving otward to upper corners

of forehead and back.  Crossing hands over press sharply into muscles

above sholder blades.  Then temples, each side of the nose. middle of

forehead.  Massage ears.  Squeeze fleshy part of hand between thumb and

index finger.  And then pressure points on feet.  Archn ball, sides of

Achilles.  I now do this dialy and my sinus headaches are largely gone.

Also recommnede drinking green tea.  Also, ganmao tea, white parts of

green onion, fresh giner simmered in water, add honey.

Let's see.....also some menthol based aromatic stuff I buy in the

iNtrnational District here, label in Chinese, dab on the sinus regions

and inhale.  I don't use that too often, the other things seem to work well.

If you want more detial about the shiatsu part email me and I'll

elaborate further.

Oh yeah, also Goldenseal, taken as tea, which seems to be good for

everything.

Kirk



On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, JACK PORCELLO wrote:



> Hello,

>

>         Does anyone have any suggestions for herbal remedies to ease

> sinus headaches and also for clearing congestion?  I would appreciate

> any ideas.

>

> Thanks and Best Regarsds

>

>

>  ****************************************************************************

>  *  "Fare thee well!                      Jack Porcello                     *

>  *   And if for ever,                     Storytelling & Balloon Art        *

>  *   Still for ever,                      PO BOX 266                        *

>  *   Fare thee well!"                     Mumford, NY 14511                 *

>  *          Lord Byron                    porcelloj@orion.crc.monroecc.edu  *

>  ****************************************************************************

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 09:24:05 -0700

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From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Glucuronic acid (was: Best Liver Detoxifiers)

In-Reply-To:  <2XLR9c3w165w@richters.com>



On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, Conrad Richter wrote:



> > Are there any other plants that contain glucuronic acid.

>

> Lots.  Glucuronic acid is a basic building block of plant cell walls,

> especially those of the lower plants like algae.

>

> Conrad Richter



Conrad,



Where is the glucuronic used? (It's not cellulose... and pectin contains

*galacturonic* acid... is it in hemicellulose?)



Peter                                           plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:15:21 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain



In a message dated 95-07-25 02:17:45 EDT, porcelloj@ORION.CRC.MONROECC.EDU

(JACK PORCELLO) writes:



>clearing congestion



I use ginger for clearing congestion.



Deb Phillips

Licensed Midwife



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:27:47 EDT

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From:         JACK PORCELLO <porcelloj@ORION.CRC.MONROECC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain



Deb Phillips suggested ginger for clearing congestion.



Deb,

        Do you make a tea?

Jack



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 15:45:23 -0400

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From:         Andrea Hoerr <ahoerr@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject:      Hydrogen Peroxide



Sorry to get off the herbal topic, but I can't imagine where else to post

this.



My nutritionist has asked me to take 25 drops of hydrogen peroxide in water

first thing in the AM before my meditation session (45 mins) to oxygenate

and cleanse my body.  It really does give me an energy boost.  Supposed to

combine with free radicals and render them harmless.



However, a friend (a RN) recently found some articles which condemmed the

use of H2O2, claiming that connective tissues can be destroyed, the heart

tissue can be damaged, and other dire results.   Unfortunately, the sources

were not documented, but then neither did I read any research on the

benefits of H2O2 before starting the regimen.



Any thoughts?  I have stopped taking the H2O2 for the time being just in

case.



Thanks.

Andrea Hoerr



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 16:30:20 -0400

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From:         George Struk <geostar@AMANDA.DORSAI.ORG>

Subject:      Pricetam & supplements

In-Reply-To:  <199507250220.WAA22200@sard.mv.net> from "Liz Vose" at Jul 24,

              95 09:33:09 pm



There was a segment on DayOne (ABC) on the use of the drug Pricetam and

various nutritional supplements for Downs Symdrome with very successful

results. I'm wondering if this has been tried with autism.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 14:00:43 -0700

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From:         Eagle <eagle@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: your mail (Saw Palmetto)



On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Elaine Fasano wrote:

>  Has anyone heard of saw palmetto extract for prostrate problems?



Saw Palmetto- Sabal serrulata, Serenoa repens, Serenoa serrulata - dwarf palm



Diuretic, disinfectant, tonic, enhances hormone production, tones bladder

contractions for more complete urination. Useful for prostate enlargement

and inflammation.



A double blind study published in the 1988 British Journal of Clinical

Pharmacology showed that the use of the extract of the fruit resulted in a

statistically significant reduction in the size of the prostate gland.



The identified mechanism of saw palmetto is by inhibiting the conversion of

testosterone into dihydrotestosterone, which is the hormone linked to

prostate enlargement.



This may explain why saw palmetto is considered effective in western

herbology for all types of prostate enlargement, regardless of

constitutional tendencies. Western pharmacological companies are actively

researching drugs that will inhibit dihydrotestosterone, but none are

available yet.



Bob Flaws (a prolific researcher and author on Traditional Chinese

Medicine) says: Saw palmetto is a yang tonic, acrid, sweet and warm and

enters  the kidneys, spleen and lung. It tonifies wei qi and transforms

phlegm from kid yang deficiency. It is also used for treating lower

thirsting and wasting disease (Lao Lin).  Also used in suppository form

half and half with echinacea to reduce a swollen prostate.



    eagle@netcom.com  -  david@igc.org.apc  -  David Eagle, OMD, LAc

    Doctor of Oriental Medicine, Licensed Acupuncturist  -  Santa Cruz, CA

          "Just because someone is using an acupuncture needle

                     does not mean that they are doing Oriental medicine."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:45:17 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain



In a message dated 95-07-25 18:33:04 EDT, porcelloj@ORION.CRC.MONROECC.EDU

(JACK PORCELLO) writes:



>Deb,

>        Do you make a tea?

>Jack

>

>



Ginger works well in many forms.  Ginger capsule is easy.  Jamaican Ginger

Brew is fun.  And ginger tea is also very effective.

I find these work better than any over the counter cold remedy.



Deb Phillips

Licensed Midwife



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 18:47:29 -0400

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From:         Conrad Richter <conrad@RICHTERS.COM>

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Re: Glucuronic acid (was: Best Liver Detoxifiers)



"Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU> writes:



> Where is the glucuronic used? (It's not cellulose... and pectin contains

> *galacturonic* acid... is it in hemicellulose?)



True, pectins are made (mainly) with galacturonic acid, but glucuronic

moeities are found in pectin-like polymers in lower plants.  As mentioned,

algae have them.  In fact, the high Ca++ binding affinities of these

molecules are linked to the special structures that algal "pectins"

(alginates, etc.) possess which, owing to glucuronic acid moeties,

confer an "eggbox" orientation to the polymer chains that fits Ca++

snugly.  This feature is a big reason why alginates are important

industrial and food polymers.



Conrad Richter



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 22:06:51 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Good Vibrations?



In message ID <m0sajZX-0002PGC@batesx.cs.hou.compaq.com> on 7/25/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Paul, haven't noticed any muscle tension, bloating or heat.  Just waking

: up with the feel of the vibration.  Always happens when I'm laying

: down. Either asleep or trying to go to sleep.  The only way to make

: it go away is to sit up or stand up.

:

: Any ideas?



Do you have digestive problems?



- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:05:28 -0700

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From:         phxhawk <phxhawk@INDIRECT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide



Andrea said:

>Sorry to get off the herbal topic, but I can't imagine where else to post

>this.

>

>My nutritionist has asked me to take 25 drops of hydrogen peroxide in water

>first thing in the AM before my meditation session (45 mins) to oxygenate

>and cleanse my body.  It really does give me an energy boost.  Supposed to

>combine with free radicals and render them harmless.



The problem is you must use food grade H2O2. See if your local health food

store has some.

There is a book out that my Dad sent me which I haven't read, called

"Hydrogen Peroxide Medical Miracle" by William Douglass,M.D. It's published

by Second Opinion Publishing 1-800-728-2288.

*********************************************************

"It is a mistake that there is a bath that will cure people's manners,

but drowning would help."

                          Mark Twain



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 22:04:41 -0400

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From:         "s.i. sussman" <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide

Comments: To: Andrea Hoerr <ahoerr@PIPELINE.COM>

In-Reply-To:  <199507251945.PAA09624@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com>



I am no expert but I would not take Hydrogen Peroxide except as an

anti-septic and perhaps to swish around your mouth for bad breath.

Regards SS



Dr. Sam Sussman,

Director Social Services,           or    Dr.Sam Sussman,

London Psychiatric Hospital,              1300 Military Street,

850 Highbury Avenue,London,Ontario        P.O.Box 61-2212,

Canada,N6A4H1                             Port Huron,Michigan,U.S.A.

Ast.Professor of Psychiatry,              48061-2212

University of Western Ontario.

Tel:519-455-5110-Fax:519-455-4709



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 22:06:23 -0400

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From:         "LIST Roni L. Evilla" <CALMSTORM3@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: wild yams



MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WILD YAMS CONTAIN CHEMICAL SUBSTANCES THAT ARE

REMARKABLY LIKE THE NATURALLY OCCURRING ESTROGENS AND PROGESTEGINS IN THE

FEMALE BODY.  CONSUMING THSES RAISES THE LEVEL OF THOSE CHEMICALS IN THE BODY

TO CREATE A PHYSIOLOGICAL SENCE OF PREGNANCY THERBY SUPRESSING OVULATION.  i

HAVE NO REAL DOCUMENTATION FOR THIS BUT IT IS HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME.  I

THINK I WOULD TRY IT FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS WHILE CHARTING MY CYCLE JUST TO

BE SURE THE NORMAL SIGNS OF OVULATION WERE TRULY SUPPRESSED BEFORE I WOULD

RELY ON IT.



BLESSINGS

RONI



ps. sorry about the caps. didn't notice the lock was on til I was done.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 23:12:49 -0400

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From:         Sandra Hoffman <sandrap@DRAGON.ACHILLES.NET>

Subject:      Re: Lets start our own fad was General Hype and Fanfare

In-Reply-To:  <199507251058.UAA00678@oznet02.ozemail.com.au>



On Tue, 25 Jul 1995, Adam Van Wirdum wrote:

> To start a fad then we need lots of information stories etc about any herb.

> This then needs to be publiciced as much as possible.

> Anyone feel mischevous and like to suggest some obscure herb we can start

> collecting informatoion on (getting to know?) Not too obscure please



Actually, I'd pick something fairly common, but that has little known

beneficial properties. I'd nominate violets or dandelions.



By the way, speaking of dandelions. I have been cultivating them this

year to feed the greens to my voracious rabbits. Since these plants

are being cut back regulary, I'm wondering if the roots would still be

useful to dig this fall. The roots wont have had the normal summers worth

of leaf growth to supply nutrients to store. On the other hand the plants

are in reasonably nice fluffy beds so the roots would be much easier to

harvest than wild ones would.



I'm thinking of drying the roots and using them as a beverage, not for

any specific medicinal benefit.



sph

>



sandrap@dragon.achilles.net



"This will do," said the bunyip to himself.

"No one can see me here. I can be as handsome as I like."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:23:47 -0700

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From:         Eirik Schwartz <schwartz@MAIL.SDSU.EDU>



      About sinus trouble: My experience has been that it occurs when the

mucus in my sinus passages has tended to thicken.

I found by experimentation that I could remedy the problem bi inhaling a

salt water solution.

      If in doubt about the concentration go to the seashore and "snort"

some seawater.

       Hope it works!



                                    Eirik



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:29:00 PDT

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From:         Ian Lloyd <illoyd@DUNCAN.ISLAND.NET>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide



>My nutritionist has asked me to take 25 drops of hydrogen peroxide in water

>first thing in the AM before my meditation session (45 mins) to oxygenate

>and cleanse my body.  It really does give me an energy boost.  Supposed to

>combine with free radicals and render them harmless.



First of all, H2O2 isn't going to combine with free radicals. It has the

possibility to make free radicals, especially if it comes into contact with

iron or other +2 elements. As for the energy boost, beats me.



Ian Lloyd, Pharmacist

"I do it to try to end the suffering...

and I do it for the Nobodies."

Alan Grant, Batman:Shadow of the Bat #13



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 22:56:00 EST

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From:         Carol Goss <0002011728@MCIMAIL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain



-- [ From: CGOSS * EMC.Ver #2.3 ] --



For years I was plagued by sinus headaches and infections.

A few years ago I began using a "facial steam bath" (one inch of water with a

pinch of

chamomile brought nearly to a boil with lid on).

Recommended for 10 min., inhale as hot as you can take it with towel over head,

no more than twice a day.

The immediate effect is a clearing of the sinus passages and the cumulative

effect is a killing of the bacteria in the sinus so that an infection doesn't

develop.

Thyme is purported to be as effective.

I must add that this regime is accompanied by eating a large clove of raw

garlic each day -

(mashed into pesto sauce,  with fresh bread), and also massage similar to that

mentioned

in the Shiatsu response.

All in all, within three days I can eliminate a condition which used to

invariably go from

congested sinuses to bronchitis.

This procedure is now willingly practiced by family and friends with the same

results,

if started at the onset of symptoms.

Hope this is useful.



Carol Goss

* Video Artist, Computer Animator & Lover of the Uses of Plants

* Cherry Valley, NY

* 201-1728@mcimail.com

**************************************************************************



>Does anyone have any suggestions for herbal remedies to ease sinus

> headaches and also for clearing congestion?  I would appreciate any ideas.

>

> Thanks and Best Regards

>

>

>  ****************************************************************************

>  *  "Fare thee well!                      Jack Porcello                     *

>  *   And if for ever,                     Storytelling & Balloon Art        *

>  *   Still for ever,                      PO BOX 266                        *

>  *   Fare thee well!"                     Mumford, NY 14511                 *

>  *          Lord Byron                    porcelloj@orion.crc.monroecc.edu  *

>  ****************************************************************************

>



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:40:33 -0700

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From:         Timothy Lee <leeways@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide

Comments: To: Andrea Hoerr <ahoerr@PIPELINE.COM>

In-Reply-To:  <199507251945.PAA09624@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com>



On Tue, 25 Jul 1995, Andrea Hoerr wrote:



> My nutritionist has asked me to take 25 drops of hydrogen peroxide in water

> first thing in the AM before my meditation session (45 mins) to oxygenate

> and cleanse my body.  It really does give me an energy boost.  Supposed to

> combine with free radicals and render them harmless.



        I did a quick Medline search on this and found no evidence in the

Allopathic literature that oral ingestion of H202 is helpful. Some

Dentists use it in a toothpaste or mouth rinse for oral care. There is

evidence that ingestion of concentrations 10% or more of H202 will cause

damage to the body.



Timothy Lee MD

Internist

Seattle WA



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:58:53 +0100

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From:         Loren & Mary Testa <mtesta@MAIL.MOTHER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide



Hi Andrea,



I have used hydrogen peroxide (and continue to) for some time.  There are

mountains of information (scientific research papers) that have been

collected by such groups as Echo Newsletter at 9845 N.E. Second Ave,  Miami

Shores,  FL 33138.,  and the office of the International Bio-Oxidative

Medicine Foundation at P.O.Box 13205,  Oklahoma City,  OK  73113,  (405)

478-4266.



If you have www access the oxygen therapies home page can be reached at

http://www.io.org/~amadis/blade.html



A few other related www pages are:        http://www.execpc.com/~keephope

http://www.scsn.net/~aj/ourco/ajsbook.html



and quoted from a new treatment centers' announcement:

> If you know of anyone who is in need of our HIV Therapy Treatment,

>please contact us at our toll free number  1-800-USE-0302.

>        Please visit our homepage at http://www.usbusiness.com/lazare.html



There is also an oxygen therapies mailing list that can be subscribed to in

the following way;

1. Address email to OxyTherapy-request@blade.com



2. Do NOT address the email to OxyTherapy@blade.com The -request is

necessary for the SUBSCRIBE to be automatically processed.



3. On the first line of line message, input SUBSCRIBE  only. A misspelling

of SUBSCRIBE   will nullify your request. Do not add punctuation or any

other word to that line.



I hope you will be able to gather the information you are looking for.  I

don't really want to argue for or against,  there is plenty of

documentation to make an informed decision.



Good Health to you.      Regards,    Loren     mtesta@mother.com



>Sorry to get off the herbal topic, but I can't imagine where else to post

>this.

>

>My nutritionist has asked me to take 25 drops of hydrogen peroxide in water

>first thing in the AM before my meditation session (45 mins) to oxygenate

>and cleanse my body.  It really does give me an energy boost.  Supposed to

>combine with free radicals and render them harmless.

>

>However, a friend (a RN) recently found some articles which condemmed the

>use of H2O2, claiming that connective tissues can be destroyed, the heart

>tissue can be damaged, and other dire results.   Unfortunately, the sources

>were not documented, but then neither did I read any research on the

>benefits of H2O2 before starting the regimen.

>

>Any thoughts?  I have stopped taking the H2O2 for the time being just in

>case.

>

>Thanks.

>Andrea Hoerr



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 01:37:46 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide

In-Reply-To:  <199507251945.PAA09624@pipe3.nyc.pipeline.com>



On Tue, 25 Jul 1995, Andrea Hoerr wrote:



> Sorry to get off the herbal topic, but I can't imagine where else to post

> this.



Close enough <g>.



> My nutritionist has asked me to take 25 drops of hydrogen peroxide in water

> first thing in the AM before my meditation session (45 mins) to oxygenate

> and cleanse my body.  It really does give me an energy boost.  Supposed to

> combine with free radicals and render them harmless.



I've heard that the extra 'O' becomes a free radical itself.  Doesn't

sound right, but I can't tell between the claims and counterclaims.





> However, a friend (a RN) recently found some articles which condemmed the

> use of H2O2, claiming that connective tissues can be destroyed, the heart

> tissue can be damaged, and other dire results.   Unfortunately, the sources

> were not documented, but then neither did I read any research on the

> benefits of H2O2 before starting the regimen.

>

> Any thoughts?  I have stopped taking the H2O2 for the time being just in

> case.



Along the same line ... I was adding a squirt of it to my toothbrush.

Someone on the AMALGAM mailing list suggested that this could be

chelating mercury from my fillings to be ingested.



Again, no documentation, but I also stopped for now.  Haven't found

anything either way.



Jack vL



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From:         Bonnie Wiseman <YE65@MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re[2]: Alfalfa a No-No?

In-Reply-To:  In reply to your message of THU 20 JUL 1995 04:28:02 EDT



How 'bout emaciated cows and horses, should they eliminate alfalfa also?

That seems to help them grow?

















>On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, mozart wrote:

>

>> Is it true that alfalfa, in any form, should be strictly

>> avoided by anyone with any (suspected or diagnosed)

>> form of immune disease? (Cancer, leukemia, other nasties.)

>

>Alfalfa is somewhat paradoxical in its action, in that it is both

>nutritive and also weight-reducing.  Alfalfa should be avoided by anyone

>who is emaciated.  If a person with an immune disorder is emaciated,

>alfalfa is contraindicated.

>

>> Part 2:  Anyone know of reference(s) to same concerning

>> felines/canines?

>

>I know of nothing specific for these animals regarding alfalfa.  The

>basis of the action of alfalfa has to do with the herb's energetics, so

>I'd assume that its effects would be similar.

>

>Peter Schuerman                                 plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



Bonnie Wiseman

Healthy Habits - Big Rapids Michigan

YE65@Music.Ferris.Edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 14:03:56 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         David Epstein <depstein@MINDSPRING.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide



Hydrogen peroxide is used specifically as an oxidizer not as a reducer

(antioxidant). To that end H2O2 is used by oxidative therapists as an

adjunct to the body's own oxidizing peroxidase enzymes produced by white

blood cells.  It has been used as a substitute to ozone (illegal in US) and

often to treat chronic infections (HIV, candida, sinus infections, mono etc)

cancer and emphysema.  Some doubt the stability of it when given orally and

for this reason it is frequently given intravenously.

Epstein







>

>> My nutritionist has asked me to take 25 drops of hydrogen peroxide in water

>> first thing in the AM before my meditation session (45 mins) to oxygenate

>> and cleanse my body.  It really does give me an energy boost.  Supposed to

>> combine with free radicals and render them harmless.

>

>        I did a quick Medline search on this and found no evidence in the

>Allopathic literature that oral ingestion of H202 is helpful. Some

>Dentists use it in a toothpaste or mouth rinse for oral care. There is

>evidence that ingestion of concentrations 10% or more of H202 will cause

>damage to the body.

>

>Timothy Lee MD

>Internist

>Seattle WA

>

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 22:13:54 GMT

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From:         Robert Kruszynski <rgk@NHM.AC.UK>

Subject:      'Dolichos' <<< what is it ?

 

Does anyone on herb-l know what sort of herb 'dolichos'

is ?  Friend of mine has been prescribed it by her homoepathic

doctor and she's curious as to what it is exactly.  I suppose

she should ask said doctor but he may not know either !

>From :  Robert  Kruszynski,  Human  Origins  Group

Natural History Museum, Cromwell Road, LONDON, SW7 5BD.

Tel: +44 (0) 171 938 8711  or  +44 (0) 171 938  9270

Email:  rgk@nhm.ac.uk     Fax: +44 (0) 171 938  9277



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 19:16:52 -0400

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From:         John M Ford <jford@RUNET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: 'Dolichos' <<< what is it ?

In-Reply-To:  <80035.rgk@nhm.ac.uk> from "Robert Kruszynski" at Jul 26,

              95 10:13:54 pm



The only dolichos that I know of is Dolichos lab-lab - Hyacinth Bean

a legume grown for its lovely purple flowers.  Offhand, I don't recall

seeing any theraputic uses, but then I'm not really an herbalist, just

a person who is addicted to growing things.



John

jford@runet.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:55:11 -0500

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From:         "Dan in Edmonton." <warkentindj@PHIBRED.COM>

Comments: To: "herb@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr"@phibred.com

Comments: cc: WARKENTINDJ@gw1.phibred.com



Hi



A friend's daughter has been diagnosed with E.coli infection.  She's two years

old, has severe diarrhea with blood, cramps and severe neausea.  The doctor's

here in Canada don't know what to do with her.  They want to test a new drug in

a double blind study.  Are there any natural medicines or drugs that are know

to be effective?  The symptoms are very severe.  They are willing to fly her to

the Univted States if necessary.



Thank you in advance





Dan



warkentindj@phibred.com





to be effective.  The sympton



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:38:31 -0600

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From:         James B Roberts <jroberts@MESA5.MESA.COLORADO.EDU>

Subject:      Re: your mDog Constipation

In-Reply-To:  <199507260323.UAA27981@mail.sdsu.edu>



Hi all,



I have a friend who's dogs testacles never dropped.  This caused his anal

canal to curve.  The dog has been given a muscle relaxant and Metamusil.

But neither one has worked.  The dog woorks and works but still can't go.

The dog is in agony and so is my friend.  He wants to know if any herbs

will help and are fast acting.



Thanks,

Dianna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:44:56 EDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         JACK PORCELLO <porcelloj@ORION.CRC.MONROECC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain



Dear Herbers,

        Thanks for all the suggestions.  I really appreciate your

help.  Hope I can reciprocate some day!



Very Best Regards,





 ****************************************************************************

 *  "Fare thee well!                      Jack Porcello                     *

 *   And if for ever,                     Storytelling & Balloon Art        *

 *   Still for ever,                      PO BOX 266                        *

 *   Fare thee well!"                     Mumford, NY 14511                 *

 *          Lord Byron                    porcelloj@orion.crc.monroecc.edu  *

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:37:59 +0000

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Comments:     Authenticated sender is <barryg@aug.com>

From:         Barry Glick <barryg@AUG.COM>

Subject:      Yoga Tea & Aloe



Can anyone on the list tell me the recipe for Yogi Tea?



In another vein, does anyone know that proper growing conditions for

Aloe Vera?  I have tried direct sunlight, which has virtually killed

it.  What does it like?



Thanks for any help.



Barry



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:28:17 -0600

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From:         "Ann L. Mattson" <annm@FRONTIER.NET>

Subject:      Re: Yoga Tea & Aloe



>Can anyone on the list tell me the recipe for Yogi Tea?

>

>In another vein, does anyone know that proper growing conditions for

>Aloe Vera?  I have tried direct sunlight, which has virtually killed

>it.  What does it like?

>

>Thanks for any help.

>

>Barry

>



Try indirect light (south/east exposure) and water heavily once a week.

Would also plant in a clay pot that drains well. Sure works great for my

aloe  (want any?????)

Anni



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 19:46:00 PDT

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From:         Ian Lloyd <illoyd@DUNCAN.ISLAND.NET>

Subject:      Re: Hydrogen Peroxide



>My nutritionist has asked me to take 25 drops of hydrogen peroxide in water

>first thing in the AM before my meditation session (45 mins) to oxygenate

>and cleanse my body.  It really does give me an energy boost.  Supposed to

>combine with free radicals and render them harmless.



First of all, H2O2 isn't going to combine with free radicals. It has the

possibility to make free radicals, especially if it comes into contact with

iron or other +2 elements. As for the energy boost, beats me.

Ian Lloyd, Pharmacist

"I do it to try to end the suffering...

and I do it for the Nobodies."

Alan Grant, Batman:Shadow of the Bat #13



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:23:06 +1000

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: Tea party tea Bergamot



Use the skin of the bergamot orange. Very very small amounts of essential

oil of Bergamot will do the job too.

Also I find leaves of the red flowering bergamot mint have an orangy

bergomoty fragrance. these can be added to tea. The pink flowering form is

useless.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:54:53 -0500

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From:         "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@MAIL.ORION.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Lets start our own fad was General Hype and Fanfare

In-Reply-To:  <199507251058.UAA00678@oznet02.ozemail.com.au>



> Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>



> Anyone feel mischevous and like to suggest some obscure herb we can start

> collecting informatoion on (getting to know?) Not too obscure please



May I suggest Condurango  "Marsdenia condurango"? Or is that too obscure?



Thanks,  Steve

Stephen J. Marsden, International Agricultural Consultant

S.J. Marsden & Co., Inc.

Route 3, Box 93

Rogersville, MO 65742-9214

Phone: 417-753-3999  Fax: 417-753-2000

smarsden@mail.orion.org



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 21:05:09 +1000

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From:         ousl@NET-VMS.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU

Subject:      Re: Lets start our own fad was General Hype and Fanfare

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SOL.3.91.950726235141.19526B-100000@orionc0>



> > Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

>

> > Anyone feel mischevous and like to suggest some obscure herb we can start

> > collecting informatoion on (getting to know?) Not too obscure please

>

> May I suggest Condurango  "Marsdenia condurango"? Or is that too obscure?

>

> Thanks,  Steve



        Hi Steve, Condurango sounds good.  I have info on "Gonolobus

condurango " (Family: Asclepiadaceae).  In Equador it is used across the

board for all abdominal pain and syphilis.  I have been told that it

breaks down tumours.  That it is good for any stomach disorder that

brings pain and spasm.  That it breaks down morbid tissue if used in the

early stages, although it does not stop progress of disease nor does it

deal with the cause.  I have been told that it is used for stomach cancer

and tumours in the early stages.  It contains a lot of tannins and

alkaloids similar to strychnine.  Overdose causes vertigo, distrubered

sight, and convulsions ending in paralysis.  I was told not to use more

than 10 drops of 1:8 tincture TDS.



        I would love to hear if anyone has info on this herb.



Thanks, Sharon



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:12:28 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: 'Dolichos' <<< what is it ?

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199507262316.TAA29199@ruacad-gw.runet.edu> on 7/26/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: The only dolichos that I know of is Dolichos lab-lab - Hyacinth Bean

: a legume grown for its lovely purple flowers.  Offhand, I don't recall

: seeing any theraputic uses, but then I'm not really an herbalist, just

: a person who is addicted to growing things.

:

: John

: jford@runet.edu



It is used in East-Asian Traditional Healing for chronic diarrhea. The

Chinese name is Ban Dou ("flat bean").



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:26:46 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: wild yams

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <950725220141_122972814@aol.com> on 7/25/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WILD YAMS CONTAIN CHEMICAL SUBSTANCES THAT

: ARE REMARKABLY LIKE THE NATURALLY OCCURRING ESTROGENS AND

: PROGESTEGINS IN THE FEMALE BODY.  CONSUMING THSES RAISES THE LEVEL

: OF THOSE CHEMICALS IN THE BODY TO CREATE A PHYSIOLOGICAL SENCE OF

: PREGNANCY THERBY SUPRESSING OVULATION.



Sheer and incorrect speculation. The consumption of phyto-sterols provides

substrate, perhaps. That is all. Wild Yam will not raise those levels unless

they are low to begin with. As birth control, this is a zero.



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:31:16 -0400

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From:         John Richbourg <johnjr@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: rattlesnake root and false bamboo



At 01:17 PM 7/24/95 -0800, Anita F Hales wrote:

>There are a couple on intriguing plants I've been noticing locally. One is

>Rattlesnake root. The name suggests it may have been used in connection with

>rattlesnakes. The "root" is actually a rhizome with a very pungent odor,

>yellow in color. It gets lovely white blossoms and the leaf is arrowhead

>shaped. If anyone has information on this plant, I'd like to know.

>The other plant is called locally "false bamboo". It has a long jointed,

>hollow stalk and large elephantear shaped leaves. I have been unable to find

>this plant in my field guides so it must be an introduced species.

>Anybody got any ideas on the scientific name or uses of this plant?

>

>I have a bad problem with the rattlesnake weed.  Does someone know how to

get rid of this week in a rose bed. I only want to kill the weed and not the

roses,



John  in Florida.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:02:11 -0400

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From:         Angie Eckert <eckert.33@POSTBOX.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: 'Dolichos' <<< what is it ?



I know of a plant called Dolichos lablab.  It is an fast-growing annual

vine called hyacinth bean, in zone 6.  I am not aware of its herbal

properties though!!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:53:26 -0400

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From:         "David J. Gerrick" <aa1184@FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: wild yams



Your comments on wild yam are interesting. Can you provide

any literature citations to prove your point. Do you think

that mouse vaginal cornification studies or RIA studies

would/could prove you wrong.



Keep up your important work



David Gerrick



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:49:27 EST

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From:         "Elaine C. Mongiu 581-4485" <MONGIUE@MAIL.FIRN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: your mDog Constipation

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9507261809.C24411-0100000@mesa5.mesa.colorado.edu>



Dianna

why not try kombucha  tea on the dog- lurk on the kombucha list for a

while-your friend can get a 'mushroom' free and in 8 days have a brew that

will work wonders on her dog! elaine

mongiue@mail.firn.edu

to sub kombucha list

email to      kombucha-request@shore.net



in body of email message put: subscribe kombucha



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:03:00 -0800

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From:         Tania Gutierrez ESD <GUTIERREZ@EDLANE.LANE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Yoga Tea & Aloe



Is it Yogi Spice Tea that you want the ingredients of?  The yogi spice I drink

has cinnamon, cloves, black pepper, ginger, and cardamon in it.



Tania



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:38:38 +0200

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From:         CLAUS CHRISTENSEN <clc@HDC.HHA.DK>

Subject:      Re: information - medicinal plants - Jasper Zanco



Jasper Zanco wrote:

>     I'm making a project of the research about medicinal plants

> (production - quality control, seeds research and biotecnology -

> tissue culture).

................... Etc.

> officinalis, Salvia officinalis and Echinodorus grandiflorus.

--

Sorry to post this to the whole list, but I have no E-mail address on Jasper!



Does anybody know  Jasper's E-mail address?



Jaspar, I am very interested to have some information on Echinodorus

grandiflorus. I am collecting ethno-botanic narratives about the use of

waterplants! I appreciated any information! I will send you my

information on this plant to you!



Claus



Claus Christensen

(Tropica Aquarium Plants, P.O.BOX 3, DK-8530 Hjortshoej, Denmark)

E-mail    clc@hdc.hha.dk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:11:39 -0700

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From:         Kirk Adams <kadams@SPL.LIB.WA.US>

Subject:      Re: Yoga Tea & Aloe

In-Reply-To:  <199507270138.VAA17039@rocoto.aug.com>



Barry,

ON growing aloe,

ours thrives beneath a sunny window.  We have plants on a low table that

get a couple hours of afternoon sun adn they have doen wonderfully for years.

Kirk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 09:17:54 -0700

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From:         Kirk Adams <kadams@SPL.LIB.WA.US>

Subject:      citrus plants in Maine

Comments: cc: holistic@siucvmb.bitnet



Hi lists,

A week or so ago, a person in Maine posted a question about what to do

with citrus leaves.  In a conversation with my five year old daughter

last night, the idea of growing oranges in the house and actually being

able to pcik and eat them sparked a lot of interest.  She is psyched to

grow them, right now.  If the Maine citrus grower reads this, could you

please let me know how you successfully grew them?  I have never tried

it.  My daughter will undoubtedly be wanting to get going, so I thank you

in advance for any advice.

Kirk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:38:47 EDT

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From:         Elaine Nearpass <ELAINEN@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Yoga Tea & Aloe

In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:03:00 -0800 from

              <GUTIERREZ@EDLANE.LANE.EDU>



Hi Tania, do you purchase the yogi tea or do you mix it for yourself and

if so what is the recipe you use?  Do you use a tea infuser, tea ball or

other method.  Also, what is the medicinal purpose of this tea?

I'd appreciate your input.

Peace,

    Elaine



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:53:14 -0400

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From:         C Oinonen Ehren <TOIVO@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: pennyroyal as abortifacient



It is a classic herbal for that purpose, but as has been said, it isn't

necessarily safe or effective. Too little and you don't cause a miscarriage,

too much and you can die. My understanding is that substances like this are

used to throw the woman's system into turmoil, causing the body to miscarry

sort of in self defense.  Self starvation or severe exposure might also work,

but you wouldn't want to try it.  The only time you'd want to try something

like that is if you were desperate and had no other options.  I sincerely

hope there are better options available.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:07:50 -0600

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From:         Kathleen Brown <kbrown@SIGMA1.COM>

Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain

In-Reply-To:  <950725184516_40624337@aol.com>



Deb, do you have a recipe for Jamaican Ginger Brew.  Sounds great.

Thanks. Kathleen



On Tue, 25 Jul 1995, Deb Phillips wrote:



> In a message dated 95-07-25 18:33:04 EDT, porcelloj@ORION.CRC.MONROECC.EDU

> (JACK PORCELLO) writes:

>

> >Deb,

> >        Do you make a tea?

> >Jack

> >

> >

>

> Ginger works well in many forms.  Ginger capsule is easy.  Jamaican Ginger

> Brew is fun.  And ginger tea is also very effective.

> I find these work better than any over the counter cold remedy.

>

> Deb Phillips

> Licensed Midwife

>



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:43:02 EST

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From:         "Stein, Brian" <steinb@SMTP.MICROCOM.COM>

Subject:      Test message:  trying to post to herb list.  DO NOT REPLY.



        Hi,



     If you do read this, I am posting this message to see if I am getting

     to the HERB list.  My replys have not been getting out of our network.

      I do not need people to reply to this since my list setup will post

     messages sent by me to me.



     Thanks



     Brian



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:37:52 +1000

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From:         ousl@NET-VMS.NEWCASTLE.EDU.AU

Subject:      Re: Lets start our own fad was General Hype and Fanfare

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9507272033.A547835442-0100000@cc.newcastle.edu.au>



> > > Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

 >

> > > Anyone feel mischevous and like to suggest some obscure herb we can start

> > > collecting informatoion on (getting to know?) Not too obscure please

> >

> > May I suggest Condurango  "Marsdenia condurango"? Or is that too obscure?

> >

> > Thanks,  Steve

>

>         Hi Steve, Condurango sounds good.  I have info on "Gonolobus

> condurango " (Family: Asclepiadaceae).  In Equador it is used across the

> board for all abdominal pain and syphilis.  I have been told that it

> breaks down tumours.  That it is good for any stomach disorder that

> brings pain and spasm.  That it breaks down morbid tissue if used in the

> early stages, although it does not stop progress of disease nor does it

> deal with the cause.  I have been told that it is used for stomach cancer

> and tumours in the early stages.  It contains a lot of tannins and

> alkaloids similar to strychnine.  Overdose causes vertigo, distrubered

> sight, and convulsions ending in paralysis.  I was told not to use more

> than 10 drops of 1:8 tincture TDS.

>

>         I would love to hear if anyone has info on this herb.

>

> Thanks, Sharon

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 20:46:11 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: wild yams

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199507271253.AA11582@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> on 7/27/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Your comments on wild yam are interesting. Can you provide

: any literature citations to prove your point. Do you think

: that mouse vaginal cornification studies or RIA studies

: would/could prove you wrong.

:

: Keep up your important work

:

: David Gerrick



If this was directed to me, I don't have specific cites for you. Propositions

that violate ordinary biochemical reasoning require some sort of validation

OTHER than a few years of clinical use. The THEORETICAL basis stated in the

article I briefly rebutted is WRONG--there may be some pathway by which some

effects are seen. But Wild Yam is not going to increase estrogen levels that

were normal to begin with, provided glandular controls are also normal. That

just stands to reason (based on the substrate hypothesis, which is what

underlies this herb and other phytosterols in use in every product I am aware

of). This is what specifically delineates a hormone drug from an herbal

nutrient. IF Wild Yam functioned to raise hormone levels beyond normal, I

would consider that use very dangerous, directly akin to using birth control

pills to resolve PMS, for instance. NOT a holistic therapy.



- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 21:32:44 -0400

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From:         KMABUS@AOL.COM

Subject:      Aphrodesiacs



Do you know of any distributors of a product called Cloud 9? Do you have

info. on any other natural aphro.?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 00:11:31 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Lets start our own fad was General Hype and Fanfare



>that has little known

>beneficial properties. I'd nominate violets or dandelions.



Dandelion flowers are good for warts.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 27 Jul 1995 22:22:44 +0100

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From:         Loren & Mary Testa <mtesta@MAIL.MOTHER.COM>

Subject:      Re: hydrogen peroxide



Hi Andrea,



I have used hydrogen peroxide (and continue to) for some time.  There are

mountains of information (scientific research papers) that have been

collected by such groups as Echo Newsletter at 9845 N.E. Second Ave,  Miami

Shores,  FL 33138.,  and the office of the International Bio-Oxidative

Medicine Foundation at P.O.Box 13205,  Oklahoma City,  OK  73113,  (405)

478-4266.



If you have www access the oxygen therapies home page can be reached at

http://www.io.org/~amadis/blade.html



A few other related www pages are:        http://www.execpc.com/~keephope

http://www.scsn.net/~aj/ourco/ajsbook.html



and quoted from a new treatment centers' announcement:

> If you know of anyone who is in need of our HIV Therapy Treatment,

>please contact us at our toll free number  1-800-USE-0302.

>        Please visit our homepage at http://www.usbusiness.com/lazare.html



There is also an oxygen therapies mailing list that can be subscribed to in

the following way;

1. Address email to OxyTherapy-request@blade.com



2. Do NOT address the email to OxyTherapy@blade.com The -request is

necessary for the SUBSCRIBE to be automatically processed.



3. On the first line of line message, input SUBSCRIBE  only. A misspelling

of SUBSCRIBE   will nullify your request. Do not add punctuation or any

other word to that line.



I hope you will be able to gather the information you are looking for.  I

don't really want to argue for or against,  there is plenty of

documentation to make an informed decision.



Good Health to you.      Regards,    Loren     mtesta@mother.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:17:14 EDT

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From:         BRYAN GREIFINGER <70302.1503@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Herbs & Allergies



Hi everyone...I'm new to this list...the wife and I are both sufferers of

allergies and we're looking for herbal remedies, if any exist....



Specifically I've heard about the use of Quercetin for post nasal drips, and

sinus problems.  Has anyone tried this?  Any other recommendations?  All

help greatly appreciated.....Thanks....



Bryan Greifinger

70302.1503@Compuserve.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:02:00 +0200

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From:         CLAUS CHRISTENSEN <clc@HDC.HHA.DK>

Subject:      Re: information - medicinal plants - Jasper Zanco



Jasper Zanco wrote:

>     I'm making a project of the research about medicinal plants

> (production - quality control, seeds research and biotecnology -

> tissue culture).

................... Etc.

> officinalis, Salvia officinalis and Echinodorus grandiflorus.

--

Sorry to post this to the whole list, but I have no E-mail address on Jasper!



Does anybody know  Jasper's E-mail address?



Jaspar, I am very interested to have some information on Echinodorus

grandiflorus. I am collecting ethno-botanic narratives about the use of

waterplants! I appreciated any information! I will send you my

information on this plant to you!



Claus



Claus Christensen

(Tropica Aquarium Plants, P.O.BOX 3, DK-8530 Hjortshoej, Denmark)

E-mail    clc@hdc.hha.dk



---- message ------



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:58:57 -0600

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From:         Christina Susalski <CSUSALSKI@R01.TDH.STATE.TX.US>

Organization: Texas Department of Health

Subject:      Cayenne Pepper Liniment?



Dear Folks,



I have finally found a commercial creme that contains cayenne pepper

(Arthricare).  I was wondering, though, if any of you have a "recipe"

to make my own liniment containing cayenne pepper.  I use this for

arthritic conditions, achey muscles, etc.  I do have my own

concoction of massage oil containing grain alcohol, mineral oil and

wintergreen - was wondering if it would be possible for cayenne

pepper to set up in that also.



Thanks!



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 07:55:00 -0800

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From:         Tania Gutierrez ESD <GUTIERREZ@EDLANE.LANE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Yoga Tea & Aloe



Elaine,



I sometimes purchase the yogi tea through mail order, but prefer buying the

everything separately at the local herb shop and mixing it up myself.  If I make

a pot, I use a bamboo tea strainer, but at work I just use a tea ball.  I'm not

sure of what the medicinal uses are, but I often put medicinal herbs in it if

they taste bad because it's such a strong tea.  It's just a wonderful blend that

makes me feel good in the morning :)



Tania



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 11:14:51 -0400

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From:         "Maxina A. Gohlke" <bj979@YFN.YSU.EDU>

Subject:      Cayenne Pepper Liniment?



CSUSALSKI@R01.TDH.STATE.TX.US Christina wrote:



^^^^^I have finally found a commercial creme that contains cayenne pepper

(Arthricare).  I was wondering, though, if any of you have a "recipe"

to make my own liniment containing cayenne pepper.  I use this for

arthritic conditions, achey muscles, etc.  I do have my own

concoction of massage oil containing grain alcohol, mineral oil and

wintergreen - was wondering if it would be possible for cayenne

pepper to set up in that also.^^^^^



Something you might want to try, Christina...be careful though, it

probably has a kick.



Herbal liniment (external use)



2 ounces powdered myrrh

1 ounce powdered golden seal root

1/2 ounce cayenne pepper

1 quart rubbing alcohol (70%)

mix, let stand 7 days, shake well every day

decant off, bottle in corked bottles...

you can make it without golden seal if necessary

from Jethro Kloss' Back to Eden



You may need to mortgage your house to make this these days.

Keep it away from your eyes..... (needless to say I'm sure)



Maxina



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:24:50 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain



Jamaican Ginger Brew is a brand of soda you can buy at the health food store.

deb



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:41:50 -0400

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From:         Brian Stein <bstein@SHORE.NET>

Subject:      Re: Yoga Tea & Aloe



>Can anyone on the list tell me the recipe for Yogi Tea?

>

>In another vein, does anyone know that proper growing conditions for

>Aloe Vera?  I have tried direct sunlight, which has virtually killed

>it.  What does it like?

>

>Thanks for any help.

>

>Barry

>

>



This was taken from Time Life's Virtual Garden Garden Encyclopedia:



A. vera, also called A. barbadensis (aloe)=20



Aloe is a succulent perennial whose fleshly leaves contain a clear

gelatinous juice used in cosmetics and ointments for

insect bites and sunburn. The thick, leathery, straplike green leaves grow

to a length of 6 to 24 inches. They are usually

edged with soft spines and, when young, are dotted with white spots. Old

plants send up leafless blossom stalks that rise

from the center of the rosettes of leaves to bear plumes of yellow or

reddish bell-like flowers; however, pot-grown aloes

rarely bloom.



HOW TO GROW. A semidesert plant, true aloe can be grown in the ground

outdoors only in Zones 9 and 10. However, aloe

grows easily anywhere in pots as a house plant or terrace plant. If kept on

a terrace, the plant must be moved inside when the

temperature drops below 50=B0. Aloe does best if it has four or more hours a

day of direct sunlight, but it will grow fairly well

in bright, indirect light.



Potted aloes need very little care; they thrive for years without repotting.

Allow the soil to become fairly dry between

thorough waterings. Overwatering in winter is hazardous; let the soil become

quite dry between waterings.



Fertilize twice a year with standard house plant fertilizer diluted to half

the strength recommended on the label; this

increases the chance of flowering. The simplest way to propagate aloe is to

detach the small rooted suckers that develop

around its base, and then to plant these cuttings in pots of sandy soil.



Hope this helps,



Brian



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:44:54 -0700

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From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Aphrodesiacs

In-Reply-To:  <950727213232_42389228@aol.com>



Try this:



2 parts safflower (or 1 part saffron)

2 parts hibiscus flower

2 parts rose flower



in tea (1 tsp per cup) or capsules (1-2 OO caps).



According to Ayurvedic philosophy, the floral structures of plants have

their medicinal effects on the reproductive system.  This formula is made

of three flowers; the first is an aphrodisiac, the second exerts an

influence on the sexual chakra and the third exerts and influence on the

heart chakra and acts to harmonize the blend.



Have fun, kids!



Peter L. Schuerman                              plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



On Thu, 27 Jul 1995 KMABUS@AOL.COM wrote:



> Do you know of any distributors of a product called Cloud 9? Do you have

> info. on any other natural aphro.?

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:54:50 -0700

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From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Cayenne Pepper Liniment?

In-Reply-To:  <1AE00F8172E@r01.tdh.state.tx.us>



Christina,



My instincts say that you shouldn't mix cayenne with either alcohol or

wintergreen.  But you could make an oil of just cayenne as follows:



1) mix 1 tsp cayenne and 1 cup massage oil (almond, apricot).  Place in a

warm spot for a few weeks, shaking occasionally.  Allow to settle, then

pour off the oil and strain if necessary.  Use sparingly.



or



2) make a strong infusion (tea) of cayenne (1 tsp in 4 cups of boiling

water, covered until cool).  Strain to remove cayenne. Add 1 cup of oil

and *simmer* slowly on stove until the water is evaporated; the cayenne

essence will go into the oil, which you can then strain (if necessary) and

use sparingly.



Hope that works for you,



Peter L. Schuerman                              plschuerman@ucdavis.edu





On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Christina Susalski wrote:



> Dear Folks,

>

> I have finally found a commercial creme that contains cayenne pepper

> (Arthricare).  I was wondering, though, if any of you have a "recipe"

> to make my own liniment containing cayenne pepper.  I use this for

> arthritic conditions, achey muscles, etc.  I do have my own

> concoction of massage oil containing grain alcohol, mineral oil and

> wintergreen - was wondering if it would be possible for cayenne

> pepper to set up in that also.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Chris

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:42:56 -0800

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From:         Juan Ros <juan_ros@BGENT.COM>

Subject:      Lady's Mantle



Lady's Mantle

Can someone give me detailed information on Lady's Mantle and it's effects

on the female reproductive system?



My girlfriend is afraid to take it, thinking it will have an adverse effect

on the contraceptive pill she takes.



Thanks,



Juan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:21:50 -0400

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: dandelions for warts



Deb wrote dandelions are good for warts.  How does this remedy work?  just

rub the yellow stuff on your warts?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:54:00 ET

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From:         GRIES <GRIE01L@MACOMB.CC.MI.US>

Subject:      Test



I have been trying to send mail, but I must be addressing wrong.



Just checking if this gets through.



Bye



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:06:00 ET

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From:         GRIES <GRIE01L@MACOMB.CC.MI.US>

Subject:      Alternatives



Was wondering what anyone knows about Gymnema, fenugreek seeds, bilberry, and

Ginkgo biloba.



What is their relation to a diabetic?



Thanks for any info.



Linda



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:11:23 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain



An old home remedy from my grandmother is simply to lean over a steAming

pot of yarrow. It helps alot. I have also found that taking cayenne capsules

daily helps as does garlic taken regularly. To clear infection you might also

try echinacea, goldenseal, myrrh.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:23:41 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: No Subject



Snorting seawater DOES help. My husband, who snorkles, claims that a snuff

of clean fresh cool Alaskan seawater works wonders on a stuffy nose.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:42:36 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain



I have a recipe for ginger ale if anyone is interested.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:50:36 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Lady's mantle



Penelope Ody says Lady's Mantle is cool, dry, bitter, astringent. It's con

stituents are tannins, salicylic acid, saponins, phytosterols, volatile oil,

bitter principle. Its actions are astringent, menstrual regulator, digestive tonic,

anti-inflammatory, heals wounds.

It's good for gastroenteritis, and diarrhea, controls heavy menstruation,

menstrual pain, regulates menstrual cycles, vaginal discharges. Cooling

and useful ininflammation and infections. It can be used in infusion,

tincture, ointment, wash, mouthwash or gargle, douche, suppositories.

aerial parts of the plant are used.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 11:32:55 AST

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From:         Jim Larsen <jlarsen@ALASCOM.COM>

Subject:      HERB Message Blank



Greetings,



We use ccMail at the office. It does not pass through the address of the message

senders on this mail reflector.  It that on purpose from the mail reflector?



On another mail reflector, the sysop of the reflector, changed a setting and the

addresses magically began to appear.



Please excuse the bandwidth, the intro messages did not include an address for

questions such as this.



This whole thing came up when I wanted to have the recipe for ginger ale but

could not tell who sent the message.



Thanks



Jim Larsen

Anchorage, Alaska

jlarsen@alascom.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:51:43 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Allergies



Ginger for mucous---including postnasal drip.



deb



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:14:55 -0600

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Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain

In-Reply-To:  <01HTEH1SD5J2HSOVMK@ua.acad1.alaska.edu>



Anita, I'd like to have your recipe.  Thanks.



On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Anita F Hales wrote:



> I have a recipe for ginger ale if anyone is interested.

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 16:19:25 -0400

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From:         "Maxina A. Gohlke" <bj979@YFN.YSU.EDU>

Subject:      Cayenne pepper/returned mail



THis was in my mailbox returned as undeliverable. When I sent it

again, it was returned as being posted already. So I'm sending it

again , just to make sure it went to the right place.If it's taking

up space in your box and is redundant...please forgive and/or

ignore. Thanks



CSUSALSKI@R01.TDH.STATE.TX.US Christina wrote:



^^^^^I have finally found a commercial creme that contains cayenne pepper

(Arthricare).  I was wondering, though, if any of you have a "recipe"

to make my own liniment containing cayenne pepper.  I use this for

arthritic conditions, achey muscles, etc.  I do have my own

concoction of massage oil containing grain alcohol, mineral oil and

wintergreen - was wondering if it would be possible for cayenne

pepper to set up in that also.^^^^^



Something you might want to try, Christina...be careful though, it

probably has a kick.



Herbal liniment (external use)



2 ounces powdered myrrh

1 ounce powdered golden seal root

1/2 ounce cayenne pepper

1 quart rubbing alcohol (70%)

mix, let stand 7 days, shake well every day

decant off, bottle in corked bottles...

you can make it without golden seal if necessary

from Jethro Kloss' Back to Eden



You may need to mortgage your house to make this these days.

Keep it away from your eyes..... (needless to say I'm sure)



Maxina



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:49:56 -0700

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Subject:      Re: Alternatives

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%95072822050541@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



Linda:

        Just a note from a beginner. Ginkgo biloba is something that I

have been taking for some time and the benefits of it are improved

circulation in the extremities, such as fingers and toes. Which for a

diabetic is an important point. One other benefit is the ability of

better concentration.



Rich

be safe and sane, seek out the best in all things.





On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, GRIES wrote:



> Was wondering what anyone knows about Gymnema, fenugreek seeds, bilberry, and

> Ginkgo biloba.

>

> What is their relation to a diabetic?

>

> Thanks for any info.

>

> Linda

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      Re: Aphrodesiacs

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SOL.3.91.950728103916.29775A-100000@dale.ucdavis.edu>



On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Peter L. Schuerman wrote:



> Try this:

>

> 2 parts safflower (or 1 part saffron)

> 2 parts hibiscus flower

> 2 parts rose flower

>

> in tea (1 tsp per cup) or capsules (1-2 OO caps).



If you find the effect of this mixture too overwhelming (depending on

your constitution, it might be) you can also add 1 part myrrh to soften

the effect.  Without the myrrh, it has quite a punch, with the myrrh, it

has a much more diffuse effect, spread throughout the entire body rather

than being so focused on the lower two chakras (or at least, those are

the effects it had on me).



Personally, I couldn't stomach this mixture as tea -- capsules are

preferable -- but it's also not bad in vanilla yogurt, if you don't have

capsules.



Bon

|)(|



                        You remain

                                   my power

                                   my pleasure

                                   my pain



                        --Seal, "Kiss From a Rose"



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Nicholas Hill <faucet@PIPELINE.COM>

Subject:      ginger ale



On Sat, Jul 29, 1995 12:00:35 AM  at Automatic digest processor wrote:



>Date:    Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:42:36 -0800

>From:    Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

>Subject: Re: Headaches, sinus pain

>

>I have a recipe for ginger ale if anyone is interested.

I'm interested. Would love the recipe.

Thanks,

Alexandra



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      Re: HERB Digest - 27 Jul 1995 to 28 Jul 1995



>I have a recipe for ginger ale if anyone is interested.



I'd certainly be interested in your recipe, Anita.



Thanks,

Darryl



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From:         "David J. Gerrick" <aa1184@FREENET.LORAIN.OBERLIN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: information - medicinal plants - Jasper Zanco



In response to your need for info on water plant ethopharmacology

Two or three articles were published in Journal of Ethnopharmacology

5(2):139-48 is on Nymphea as a ritual psychomimetic agent in Meso-

america. Also an article in the same journal an article on

Egyptian water lilies. I don't have copies of the article only

citations. The journal is an Elseiver publication. Hope this

helps.



David Gerrick



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On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Anita F Hales wrote:



> I have a recipe for ginger ale if anyone is interested.

>

I am interested in your recipe for ginger ale, and would very much like

to have the recipe. Thanks, Anita.



Alice



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Subject:      Raspberry tea for breakthrough bleedin



I am experiencing some pretty regular breakthrough bleeding, which I am

pretty sure is due to stress.  I am thinking of drinking a cup of

raspberry tea on a daily basis in an effort to stop this -- does anyone

know any reason why I should not take raspberry tea over an extended

period of time?  I am on the pill (Ortho-Novum 7/7/7), in case that makes

a difference.



Bon                                             skeevers@netcom.com

|)(|



                        You remain

                                   my power

                                   my pleasure

                                   my pain



                        --Seal, "Kiss From a Rose"



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Cayenne Pepper Liniment?



It is OK to mix cayenne with alcohol. I do it all the time in various

compounds and tinctures. I would use 1 tbsp to a pint of vodka or other

alcohol. Depends on heat units of cayenne.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Raspberry tea for breakthrough bleedin



I'm not familiar with the term "breakthrough bleeding". Can you explain?

As for raspberry tea, it's pretty benign and should cause you no problems.

However, to me the pill is a big question mark. It really changes your

female chemistry. I would avoid any stronger female tonics or correctives.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         charles ferris <ferrisw@VORTEX.ITHACA.NY.US>

Organization: The Total Perspective Vortex BBS, Ithaca, NY

Subject:      bilberry and ginko biloba



bilberry is just another term for blueberries.  Their relationship to a

diabetic is they and ginko biloba increase circulation and shore up the

capillaries making them stronger.  Both contain strong anti-oxidants.

Check the book, STOP AGING NOW!.  It talks about both and diabetis



--

charles ferris - ferrisw@vortex.ithaca.ny.us

The Total Perspective Vortex BBS, Ithaca, NY



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Organization: The Total Perspective Vortex BBS, Ithaca, NY

Subject:      headaches and sinus pain



My accupunctureist is also a chinese hearbalist.  She has successfully

treated both headache and sinus problmes with herbs.  Obviously long

distance accupuncture is not an option, but she does a mail order herb

business.



--

charles ferris - ferrisw@vortex.ithaca.ny.us

The Total Perspective Vortex BBS, Ithaca, NY



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: dandelions for warts



We were discussing this at a prenatal on Thursday. One of my ladies said she

had used it before and that it really works.  Today's Herbal Health says: The

juice of the broken stem can be applied to warts and allowed to dry.  If used

daily for two or three days, it will dry up the warts.  It is also useful for

corns, acne, and blisters.



Hope that helps.

deb



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From:         Kim Patten <pattenk@COOPEXT.CAHE.WSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: grape leaves



I was asked about the safety of eating raw grape leaves.   Does anyone have

any comments of the subject?  There want to use in to serve food on ie. like

a lettuce leaf.



Is there any difference between species? leaf age? time of year?

Do grape leaves have any medicinal value?



Thanks for your help.

Kim Patten



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      Re: dandelions for warts



>Deb wrote dandelions are good for warts.  How does this remedy work?  just

>rub the yellow stuff on your warts?

No, rub the white sap on in spring. Do it daily. Use dandelion, not cat's

ear, often confused for dandelion.

MBTFG



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Subject:      herb survey



here are a few of the wild herbs growing arround my valley for the survey::

Amaranth Green  Amaranth viridus

Apple of Peru   Nicandra physalodes

Aram Lily

Asparagus Fern   Asparagus spengeri

Blackberry      Rubus fruiticosus

Bracken

Bulrush ?

Cassia (Yellow)

Cat's Ear       Hypochoeris radica also H. glabra

Chickweed       Stellaria media

Clover White    Trifolium

Cobbler's pegs  Bidens pilosa

Dandelion       Taraxacum officinale

Dock    Rumex

Fat Hen Chenopodium album

Fennel  Foeniculum vulgare

Fireweed        ?

Fleabane Canadian Tall? Conyzia canadensis

Fumitory,  "Earth Smoke"        Fumitory officinalis or muralis? or capreolata?

Geranium        Geranium . robertianum

Goldenrod       Solidago  odora?

Gotu Kola Indian Pennywort

Grass millet

Grass Native ?  ?

Grass paspalum

Honeysuckle     Lonicera japonica?

Inkweed Phytolaca decantra octantra?

Lantana Lantana camara

Mallow prostrate        Modiola caroliniana

Montbretia      Crocosmia x crocosmiflora

Moth Plant

        Araujia sericifera

Native Violet

Nightshade Blackberry or black  Solanum nigrum

Noogoora Burr   Xanthium chinense

Oxalis

Paddy's Lucerne Sidarhombifolia

Passionfruit

Pennywort       Centella asiatca

Petty Spurge Radium plant Cancer weed   Euphorbia peplus

Plantain Lesser Plantago lanceolata

Pokeweed Inkberry Pokeberry     Phytolacca Americana

Privet  Ligustrum vulgare

Purple Top Purple Verbena       Verbena bonariensis

Scarlet Pimpernel       Anagallis arvensis

Sheep Sorrel.

Nurserman's Curse

        Rumex acetosella

Smartweed       Pologinum cuspidatum? oramphibum

22plus varieties

Tagetes Tagetes minuta

Thickhead       Crassocephalum crepidioides

Thistle Scotch  Cirsium vulgare

Thistle Sow prickly     Sonchus vulgare

Sonchus oleraceus

Sonchus asper

Thistle Variegated      Silibum marianum

Turkey Rhubarb.

Climbing Dock   Rumex sagittatus

Wandering Jew, Scurvy Weed      Commelina

Wild Tobacco Tree        Solanum mauritianum



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Condurango  Herb of the future!!



>> > > Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

> >

>> > > Anyone feel mischevous and like to suggest some obscure herb we can start

>> > > collecting informatoion on (getting to know?) Not too obscure please

>> >

>> > May I suggest Condurango  "Marsdenia condurango"? Or is that too obscure?

>> >

>> > Thanks,  Steve

>>

>>         Hi Steve, Condurango sounds good.  I have info on "Gonolobus

>> condurango " (Family: Asclepiadaceae).  In Equador it is used across the

>> board for all abdominal pain and syphilis.  I have been told that it

>> breaks down tumours.  That it is good for any stomach disorder that

>> brings pain and spasm.  That it breaks down morbid tissue if used in the

>> early stages, although it does not stop progress of disease nor does it

>> deal with the cause.  I have been told that it is used for stomach cancer

>> and tumours in the early stages.  It contains a lot of tannins and

>> alkaloids similar to strychnine.  Overdose causes vertigo, distrubered

>> sight, and convulsions ending in paralysis.  I was told not to use more

>> than 10 drops of 1:8 tincture TDS.

>>

>>         I would love to hear if anyone has info on this herb.

>>

>> Thanks, Sharon



Where does it grow? (and how, anyone growing it?)

Where is it native too?

What is its local folk use?

What chemicals does it contain?

Any recent research on it?

Anyone had any experiences useing it?

What books mention it?





Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      Re: bilberry and ginko biloba



>bilberry is just another term for blueberries.

Ithought so but are they exact equivalents?

MBTFG



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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Violets blood purifer



Blood purifying herbs are herbs that help the body eliminate its toxins.

Violet leaves; the leaves of the common mauve Violet Viola odorata,

sometimes called Prince or Princess of Wales, can be added to salads. They

have an interesting lettuce-like flavour.



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: grape leaves



Dolmardies a Greek finger food are wrapped in grape leaves.

 the ornamental grape has lemon tasting leaves.

MB



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Violets - amazing new uses for an old plant.

Comments: cc: Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>



>>that has little known

>>beneficial properties. I'd nominate violets.

Here's my tuppence worth your turn Deb and <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR



                                                        Will violets cure

cancer?

An ancient Australian herbalist thinks so. In a facinating new book

recently published he has shown that violets have been used as an

anti-cancer remedy for 100 years. They are especially popular in French and

English country folklore. Documented evidence of total remission of cancer

has existed for hundreds of years while being ignored by the modern medical

establishment. Has this plant missed being analysed because it is too

common? While huge corporations screen thousands of plants from the

Rainforests of South America the answer could be sitting in their own

corporate garden.



etc etc.There is a journalist on the list somewhere isnt there?

.c..i.Violets



"Violets secrete a soft substance called mucilage which is useful in cases

of ..inflammation and irritation of the stomach and intestine. In the

official medical records there is a case of a man who cured himself of

cancer of the throat by infusions and compresses of Violets.''

Maurice Messague 1975



Violets are one of the best of all blood purifying herbs. Maude Grieve and

Maurice Messegue, two of the greatest herbalists of this century, speak

glowingly of the humble Violet, although they are cautious in recommending

its use for cancer.



"Of late years, preparations of fresh Violet leaves have been used both

internally and externally in the treatment of cancer, and though the

British Pharmacopoeia does not uphold the treatment, it specifies how they

are employed. From other sources it is stated that Violet leaves have been

used with benefit to allay the pain in cancerous growths, especially in the

throat, which no other treatment relieved, and several reputed cures have

been recorded''

Maude Grieve 1931



Maude Grieve in her classic 1931 herb book "A Modern Herbal" gives specific

instructions for making Violet tea (2 1/2 ounces fresh leaves to one pint

of boiling water). Interestingly, Violets have a very long tradition of

being used for cancer. Culpeper says:

 "the green leaves are used with other herbs to make plasters and poultices

for inflammation and swellings and to ease all pain"

Catherine Booth, the wife of the founder of the Salvation Army is said to

have used Violet leaves to ease the pain of her advanced cancer.

Nelson Coon mentions the case of Lady Margaret Marsham whose throat was

closed by a malignant growth, External infusions of Violet leaves were made

and the cancer apparently disappeared very quickly.

"The Violet plant, as far back as 500 B.C., was used in poultice form as a

cure for surface cancer. It was used in 18th century England for the same

purpose. And now only months ago - a letter from a farmer in Michigan tells

me how he used the Violet plant as a skin cancer remedy. When the remedy

was tried on a cancerous mouse here at the Institute, we found that it did

damage the cancer."

Dr. J.L.Hartwell, National Cancer Institute USA. Quoted in N. Coon 1977

There are many varieties of .i.violet ;on the market at the moment.

Commonly "General Herricks", the large florist's violet, is sold in

nurseries as Viola Odorata. This is not the one I recommend for helping

treat Cancer. The small old-fashioned, mauve garden violet of grandma's

garden(Prince of Wales) with small, pretty, fragrant, violet blue flowers

is the one that has been used for centuries for healing. Other violets may

works as well , but no-one has really done the necessary extensive research

on Violet leaves for which the repeated claims over the centuries cry out.

Violets are simplicitly themselves to take. Pick several leaves and infuse

them in boiling water and drink. I often have Violet leaf tea when I have

the flu. Its "nothing" flavour is strangely invigorating and "moreish".

Perhaps my body is craving what it knows is good for it.

Fresh Violet leaves can also be picked from the garden, torn and added to a

salad. They are quite tasty with a dressing. "

from "The Healing Garden 1994 Michael Bailes and Kangaroo Press.copyright







Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

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Subject:      Re: bilberry and ginko biloba

Comments: cc: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199507290520.PAA22378@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> on 7/29/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >bilberry is just another term for blueberries.

: Ithought so but are they exact equivalents?

: MBTFG



The British bilberry is smaller and tarter, as I understand it. The

commercial blueberry has very little of the relevant pigment.



- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).

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From:         "Robert L. Lamons" <rlamons@PEN.K12.VA.US>

Subject:      Re: rattlesnake root and false bamboo

In-Reply-To:  <199507271131.HAA14238@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu>; from "John

              Richbourg" at Jul 27, 95 7:31 am



To kill rizomes I use round-up carefully sprayed on the leaves

of the offending weed only.  10 day later... nothing left.



The false bamboo I know is a water or bog plant that appears to

have bamboo like stalks and is not broad leafed but rather

small slim leaved.

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On Sat, 29 Jul 1995 frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU wrote:



> Will violets cure

> cancer?

> An ancient Australian herbalist thinks so. Has this plant missed being

analysed.



        Hi Michael,  Who is the ancient Australian Herbalist, and what is

the name of the book.



        I don't think that Violet leaf is a forgotten remedy amongst

Herbalists - It was taught as a very important and powerful lymph

alterative when I studied Herbal Therapeutics.  All the Herbalists that I

know use Violet Leaf.



Actions:        Powerful alterative, lymphatic, resolvent,

                anti-neoplastic, antiseptic, diaphoretic, expectorant,

                diuretic, emollient.



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Date:         Sat, 29 Jul 1995 07:01:18 -0600

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From:         James B Roberts <jroberts@MESA5.MESA.COLORADO.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Cayenne Pepper Liniment?

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Hi all,



Here is a recipe from Chile Pepper mag.  This will make a lotion but you

can make a cream by adding melted beeswax to the warm oil.  Be sure to

stir thoroughly and shake the bottle til cool.



8-10 oz. habanero chiles(i think you could put cayenne or any chilies you

wanted.  Habs might be too hot.)Chopped with seeds.

1 qt. olive oil

Combine and bring to a slow boil.  Reduce and simmer for 4 hrs. and cool

4 hrs.  Repeat twice more.

Place in blender and blend for 20 secs.  Strain and place in small

bottles.  Yield 8 4oz containers.  You can enhance the formula by adding

40 drops of lavender oil to the strained lotion.  Remember do not rub eye.





On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Christina Susalski wrote:



> Dear Folks,

>

> I have finally found a commercial creme that contains cayenne pepper

> (Arthricare).  I was wondering, though, if any of you have a "recipe"

> to make my own liniment containing cayenne pepper.  I use this for

> arthritic conditions, achey muscles, etc.  I do have my own

> concoction of massage oil containing grain alcohol, mineral oil and

> wintergreen - was wondering if it would be possible for cayenne

> pepper to set up in that also.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Chris

>



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Subject:      Bugs in the Garden



Hey the summer heat is here in Georgia and so are all of the bugs.  I have been

 growing food organicly and will not use pesticides but was wondering if you

guys know of any organinc remedies for the common bug problem(A good repellent

that will stick to the leaves).  Right now I am trying a concoction of red pepp

ers,jalepenoes,garlic and vineger with water.  Any ideas would be strongly appr

eciated.

Thanks in advance,



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Subject:      drooling problem



Hi! Any suggestions to help a senior (male, age 84) who is in excelent

health-but has started drooling (from both mouth and nose)-his doctor says

it is minor and passes it off-it bothers him as he has no control over it.

He has been to nose-throat specialists but they can  find no cause.  Thanks

for your help. (if you answer after Aug. 3rd, I will be off the list for a

week-email me at mongiue@mail.firn.edu) Elaine (dripping from nose,

drooling from mouth)



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In message ID <D1495ZVWHTWUSB*/R=FIRNVX/R=A1/U=MONGIUE/@MHS> on 7/28/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hi! Any suggestions to help a senior (male, age 84) who is in

: excelent health-but has started drooling (from both mouth and

: nose)-his doctor says it is minor and passes it off-it bothers him

: as he has no control over it. He has been to nose-throat specialists

: but they can  find no cause.  Thanks for your help. (if you answer

: after Aug. 3rd, I will be off the list for a week-email me at

: mongiue@mail.firn.edu) Elaine (dripping from nose, drooling from mouth)



Thin fluids leaking suggests Qi Deficiency Damp. You might try some Chinese

ginseng, eliminating fruit or fruit juice, coffee, and desserts.



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From:         Elizabeth Trenchard <etrencha@SIRNET.MB.CA>

Subject:      Common mallow



Hi! I'm new to this list. I have been lurking on and off for a while,

and I think I'm ready for my first posting!



My query is this: I am growing common mallow (Malva sylvestris), which

I plan on using in a cough candy, along with horehound. I was browsing

through Thompson & Morgan catalogue the other day, and I saw a note with

their mallow plants, that mallow is poisonous! They didn't have the

common variety that I am growing, but I know some of their varieties are

also recommended medicinally in some books I've read. Is there anyone

out there who might know more about this? Is mallow safe to use internally,

or not? I'd hate to think that my plant will go to waste (although it is a

lovely addition to the garden!) Any advice will be greatly appreciated.



Bess Trenchard

etrencha@sirnet.mb.ca



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Date:         Sat, 29 Jul 1995 14:08:24 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: grape leaves

 

I don't know about grape leaves but I found an old document discussing

using ashes of grape vines in wine to treat acute dropsy.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: bilberry and ginko biloba



There are many types of bilberry, blueberries. They all belong to Vaccinium.

Along with huckleberries and lingonberries. The one sold in stores (I can't

remember the scientific name) is not the same as the ones we call bilberries

that grow in the muskegs here. However, Itis my understanding that they all

have similar properties. Some may be better than others. I pick bilberries

and blueberries but none of them last long enough to be used for medicine.

I'm lucky if they make it home without getting eaten.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 29 Jul 1995 14:33:39 -0800

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Subject:      Re: Common mallow



Malva sylvestris is often used by herbalists as a soothing agent for

irritations caused by respiratory infections and for external external

inflammations such as sores and insect bites and stings. Even pharmacologists

have reported effectiveness of M. Sylvestris (roots).

It was used in Roman times to "undo the effects of orgies" and claims were

made that steeped in wine it would alleviate nausea. It is perfectly safe

to use. AS with all medicines, use carefully, wisely and use proper doses.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Common mallow



I have my mom's take marshmallow root to increase milk supply.

deb



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Subject:      Anti-depressant herbs

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I've been taking lavender as an anti-depressant for a while now

(sporadically, over a period of a couple of months) and wondered if

anyone knew of any other herbs which have a similar effect.



Bon                                             skeevers@netcom.com

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On Fri, 28 Jul 1995, Anita F Hales wrote:



> I'm not familiar with the term "breakthrough bleeding". Can you explain?

> As for raspberry tea, it's pretty benign and should cause you no problems.

> However, to me the pill is a big question mark. It really changes your

> female chemistry. I would avoid any stronger female tonics or correctives.



Breakthrough bleeding is bleeding that happens between regular periods.



The pill is not my ideal solution -- but I am pretty fertile, and also

happen to be allergic to a lot of the cremes/foams/gels that go along

with diaphragms and sponges.  Unfortunately, I also have a problem with

latex (it irritates -- I get raw to the point of bleeding).  I have no

intention of having children, but most doctors are reluctant to tie your

tubes if they think you are young enough to change your mind -- and

surgery is not my first choice anyway.  I am open to other alternatives

if you can think of any -- but am not willing to risk using anything that

doesn't have a very good success rate.  At this point, the pill seems to

be my best option.



Bon                                             skeevers@netcom.com

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Subject:      bugs in the garden



I would think that if you soaked the pieces/powered hot peppers and

garlic in a small amount of oil for a few hours/day and then adding the

vinegar and water with  some Ivory soap as an emulsification agent.

Maybe adding some finely powdered black pepper in the mix?



--

charles ferris - ferrisw@vortex.ithaca.ny.us

The Total Perspective Vortex BBS, Ithaca, NY



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Subject:      dandeloin



>Deb wrote dandelions are good for warts.  How does this remedy work?  just

>rub the yellow stuff on your warts?

No, rub the white sap on in spring. Do it daily. Use dandelion, not cat's

ear, often confused for dandelion.

MBTFG







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>bilberry is just another term for blueberries.

Ithought so but are they exact equivalents?

MBTFG







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Subject:      Condurango  "Marsdenia condurango"



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>> > > Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

> >

>> > > Anyone feel mischevous and like to suggest some obscure herb we can start

>> > > collecting informatoion on (getting to know?) Not too obscure please

>> >

>> > May I suggest Condurango  "Marsdenia condurango"? Or is that too obscure?

>> >

>> > Thanks,  Steve

>>

>>         Hi Steve, Condurango sounds good.  I have info on "Gonolobus

>> condurango " (Family: Asclepiadaceae).  In Equador it is used across the

>> board for all abdominal pain and syphilis.  I have been told that it

>> breaks down tumours.  That it is good for any stomach disorder that

>> brings pain and spasm.  That it breaks down morbid tissue if used in the

>> early stages, although it does not stop progress of disease nor does it

>> deal with the cause.  I have been told that it is used for stomach cancer

>> and tumours in the early stages.  It contains a lot of tannins and

>> alkaloids similar to strychnine.  Overdose causes vertigo, distrubered

>> sight, and convulsions ending in paralysis.  I was told not to use more

>> than 10 drops of 1:8 tincture TDS.

>>

>>         I would love to hear if anyone has info on this herb.

>>

>> Thanks, Sharon



Where does it grow? (and how, anyone growing it?)

Where is it native too?

What is its local folk use?

What chemicals does it contain?

Any recent research on it?

Anyone had any experiences useing it?

What books mention it?





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here are a few of the wild herbs growing arround my valley for the survey::

Amaranth Green  Amaranth viridus

Apple of Peru   Nicandra physalodes

Aram Lily

Asparagus Fern   Asparagus spengeri

Blackberry      Rubus fruiticosus

Bracken

Bulrush ?

Cassia (Yellow)

Cat's Ear       Hypochoeris radica also H. glabra

Chickweed       Stellaria media

Clover White    Trifolium

Cobbler's pegs  Bidens pilosa

Dandelion       Taraxacum officinale

Dock    Rumex

Fat Hen Chenopodium album

Fennel  Foeniculum vulgare

Fireweed        ?

Fleabane Canadian Tall? Conyzia canadensis

Fumitory,  "Earth Smoke"        Fumitory officinalis or muralis? or capreolata?

Geranium        Geranium . robertianum

Goldenrod       Solidago  odora?

Gotu Kola Indian Pennywort

Grass millet

Grass Native ?  ?

Grass paspalum

Honeysuckle     Lonicera japonica?

Inkweed Phytolaca decantra octantra?

Lantana Lantana camara

Mallow prostrate        Modiola caroliniana

Montbretia      Crocosmia x crocosmiflora

Moth Plant

        Araujia sericifera

Native Violet

Nightshade Blackberry or black  Solanum nigrum

Noogoora Burr   Xanthium chinense

Oxalis

Paddy's Lucerne Sidarhombifolia

Passionfruit

Pennywort       Centella asiatca

Petty Spurge Radium plant Cancer weed   Euphorbia peplus

Plantain Lesser Plantago lanceolata

Pokeweed Inkberry Pokeberry     Phytolacca Americana

Privet  Ligustrum vulgare

Purple Top Purple Verbena       Verbena bonariensis

Scarlet Pimpernel       Anagallis arvensis

Sheep Sorrel.

Nurserman's Curse

        Rumex acetosella

Smartweed       Pologinum cuspidatum? oramphibum

22plus varieties

Tagetes Tagetes minuta

Thickhead       Crassocephalum crepidioides

Thistle Scotch  Cirsium vulgare

Thistle Sow prickly     Sonchus vulgare

Sonchus oleraceus

Sonchus asper

Thistle Variegated      Silibum marianum

Turkey Rhubarb.

Climbing Dock   Rumex sagittatus

Wandering Jew, Scurvy Weed      Commelina

Wild Tobacco Tree        Solanum mauritianum



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Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

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Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

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>>that has little known

>>beneficial properties. I'd nominate violets.

Here's my tuppence worth your turn Deb and <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR



                                                        Will violets cure

cancer?

An ancient Australian herbalist thinks so. In a facinating new book

recently published he has shown that violets have been used as an

anti-cancer remedy for 100 years. They are especially popular in French and

English country folklore. Documented evidence of total remission of cancer

has existed for hundreds of years while being ignored by the modern medical

establishment. Has this plant missed being analysed because it is too

common? While huge corporations screen thousands of plants from the

Rainforests of South America the answer could be sitting in their own

corporate garden.



etc etc.There is a journalist on the list somewhere isnt there?

.c..i.Violets



"Violets secrete a soft substance called mucilage which is useful in cases

of ..inflammation and irritation of the stomach and intestine. In the

official medical records there is a case of a man who cured himself of

cancer of the throat by infusions and compresses of Violets.''

Maurice Messague 1975



Violets are one of the best of all blood purifying herbs. Maude Grieve and

Maurice Messegue, two of the greatest herbalists of this century, speak

glowingly of the humble Violet, although they are cautious in recommending

its use for cancer.



"Of late years, preparations of fresh Violet leaves have been used both

internally and externally in the treatment of cancer, and though the

British Pharmacopoeia does not uphold the treatment, it specifies how they

are employed. From other sources it is stated that Violet leaves have been

used with benefit to allay the pain in cancerous growths, especially in the

throat, which no other treatment relieved, and several reputed cures have

been recorded''

Maude Grieve 1931



Maude Grieve in her classic 1931 herb book "A Modern Herbal" gives specific

instructions for making Violet tea (2 1/2 ounces fresh leaves to one pint

of boiling water). Interestingly, Violets have a very long tradition of

being used for cancer. Culpeper says:

 "the green leaves are used with other herbs to make plasters and poultices

for inflammation and swellings and to ease all pain"

Catherine Booth, the wife of the founder of the Salvation Army is said to

have used Violet leaves to ease the pain of her advanced cancer.

Nelson Coon mentions the case of Lady Margaret Marsham whose throat was

closed by a malignant growth, External infusions of Violet leaves were made

and the cancer apparently disappeared very quickly.

"The Violet plant, as far back as 500 B.C., was used in poultice form as a

cure for surface cancer. It was used in 18th century England for the same

purpose. And now only months ago - a letter from a farmer in Michigan tells

me how he used the Violet plant as a skin cancer remedy. When the remedy

was tried on a cancerous mouse here at the Institute, we found that it did

damage the cancer."

Dr. J.L.Hartwell, National Cancer Institute USA. Quoted in N. Coon 1977

There are many varieties of .i.violet ;on the market at the moment.

Commonly "General Herricks", the large florist's violet, is sold in

nurseries as Viola Odorata. This is not the one I recommend for helping

treat Cancer. The small old-fashioned, mauve garden violet of grandma's

garden(Prince of Wales) with small, pretty, fragrant, violet blue flowers

is the one that has been used for centuries for healing. Other violets may

works as well , but no-one has really done the necessary extensive research

on Violet leaves for which the repeated claims over the centuries cry out.

Violets are simplicitly themselves to take. Pick several leaves and infuse

them in boiling water and drink. I often have Violet leaf tea when I have

the flu. Its "nothing" flavour is strangely invigorating and "moreish".

Perhaps my body is craving what it knows is good for it.

Fresh Violet leaves can also be picked from the garden, torn and added to a

salad. They are quite tasty with a dressing. "

from "The Healing Garden 1994 Michael Bailes and Kangaroo Press.copyright







Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95







Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:41:45 +1000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Violets - amazing new uses for an old plant.



>On Sat, 29 Jul 1995 frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU wrote:

>

>> Will violets cure

>> cancer?

>> An ancient Australian herbalist thinks so. Has this plant missed being

>analysed.

>

>        Hi Michael,  Who is the ancient Australian Herbalist, and what is

>the name of the book.

>

>        I don't think that Violet leaf is a forgotten remedy amongst

>Herbalists - It was taught as a very important and powerful lymph

>alterative when I studied Herbal Therapeutics.  All the Herbalists that I

>know use Violet Leaf.

>

>Actions:        Powerful alterative, lymphatic, resolvent,

>                anti-neoplastic, antiseptic, diaphoretic, expectorant,

>                diuretic, emollient.



Can you please tell us more. Do you use fresh or tincture?  What sort of

results do you get expect?

We are trying to start a new herbal fashion with violet -see Hype and

fanfare thread.

MichaelTFG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:44:07 +1000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Grape Leaves a use of:



>Dolmardies a Greek finger food are wrapped in grape leaves.

> the ornamental grape has lemon tasting leaves.

>MB



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:36:06 +1000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      dandelion/warts



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From: frgntgar <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Date: 29 Jul 95 15:18:54 EDT

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>Deb wrote dandelions are good for warts.  How does this remedy work?  just

>rub the yellow stuff on your warts?

No, rub the white sap on in spring. Do it daily. Use dandelion, not cat's

ear, often confused for dandelion.

MBTFG







Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road

 Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

         "Tear gas is no violent"

         French ambassador to Australia 16/7/95



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 13:13:50 +1000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Common mallow Marshmallows (the sweet?)



>Malva sylvestris is often used by herbalists as a soothing agent for

>irritations caused by respiratory infections and for external external

>inflammations such as sores and insect bites and stings. Even pharmacologists

>have reported effectiveness of M. Sylvestris (roots).

>It was used in Roman times to "undo the effects of orgies" and claims were

>made that steeped in wine it would alleviate nausea. It is perfectly safe

>to use. AS with all medicines, use carefully, wisely and use proper doses.

Does anyone have a receipie for the origal Marshmallows (the sweet?)



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322

     E-Mail:  adamtfg@oz:email.com.au Orders: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

                        O, my kindom for an Edora spell check!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 13:14:41 +1000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Common mallow



>I have my mom's take marshmallow root to increase milk supply.

>deb

beer and stout and fenugreek too??

Michael TFG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 29 Jul 1995 23:11:44 -0500

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From:         Elizabeth Trenchard <etrencha@SIRNET.MB.CA>

Subject:      herbalists



Here's another query from the newcomer.



Are there specific requirements that need to be met before one can call

themselves an herbalist? Are there societies or organizations that

regulate herbalists? Does anyone know of a good school or other institution

in or near Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, where I could get some training on

using herbs?



I'm sure some of these questions have probably been asked before, so at

the risk of being repetitive, you may want to respond directly to me.



My email address is:  etrencha@sirnet.mb.ca



Thanks

Bess Trenchard



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:15:53 -0400

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Raspberry tea for breakthrough bleedin



Have you tried taking Natural Family Planning classes?  When learned well as

with taking classes, NFP has a 99% effecticeness rate.  This is not the old

calendar rhythm but a scientific method of watching the effects the hormones

have on the body and being aware of the fertility by those signs and

symptoms.



Deb Phillips

Licensed Midwife



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 29 Jul 1995 23:23:30 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: grape leaves

In-Reply-To:  <199507290525.PAA22828@oznet02.ozemail.com.au>



On Sat, 29 Jul 1995, Adam Van Wirdum wrote:



> Dolmardies a Greek finger food are wrapped in grape leaves.

>  the ornamental grape has lemon tasting leaves.

> MB



Just finished comsuming a batch of them.  Yum.

But - what are ornamental grapes?

Are you saying that lemon tasting leaves are a no-no?  The goodies have

lemon juice added.



I'm confused, and I have MANY grape leaves.  I need to know the right

answer <g>.



Jack vL



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 03:01:07 -0500

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From:         "Steven M. Armstrong" <yooper@TEXAS.NET>

Subject:      Stinky Hops



-- [ From: Steven M. Armstrong * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --



     I read somewhere that hops sewn into a pillow can bring on intense

dreams. So, I put some Tettnanger hops into a sachet, along with a little

sweet basil from the garden.

     I have been having occasional bouts of insomnea, but for three nights

in a row, after placing this sachet inside my pillowcase, I had no trouble

falling asleep (and it was a deeper, more restful sleep than I've had in

years) and I had some wonderful, very vivid dreams.

    The problem is this; after three nights, this sachet began to smell like

smelly feet. It finally smelled so bad I had to throw it away.

     Was the smell caused by the basil, or do hops rot? And if hops do rot

and stink, why would someone sew them into a pillow? Is there a way to

preserve hops, yet still allow their aroma to escape?

     By the way, I used hops in pellet form. Would this make a difference?

     Any help/advice would be appreciated. I'd like to be able to sleep like

that again!



     -Steven M. Armstrong



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 00:58:44 -0700

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From:         "Georgann K. Cunney" <curious@AIMNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Allergies

In-Reply-To:  <950728111714_70302.1503_CHV26-1@CompuServe.COM>



Hi Bryan,



I was living in the central coast here in California about nine years

ago and for several years I used to have allergies very bad.  I didn't

take any medication.  I did try a few different herbs, none of which

seemed to make much of a difference.  A friend told me about a

homeopathic remedy for hayfever.  I tried it and it worked almost

immediately.  I used it for about two months.  I highly reccomend it to

people and almost always they also find it very effective.  The company

that manufactures it is called Hylands.  I've tried a few other companiess

but I didn't find any results.



I now have a little better understanding about health and realize for

example that allergies are a sympton for a much deeper condition.  Diet

can be very effective for strengthening and bringing balance to the

body, along with herbs, exercise, rest, peace of mind, etc.



Good luck,

Georgann



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 08:12:50 -0400

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From:         "M.G. TAYLOR" <TAYLORM@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>

Subject:      Other Lists and Books on Herbs



Hi everyone.

    I am new to this list and am enjoying it very much.  I would like

to know if any of you subscribe to other herb lists - not just

concentrating on medical aspects, but on growing, history, other uses,

etc.  Also, can anyone suggest historically-minded books? I already have

Culpepper, Grieve, an illustrated history of dozens of old herbals

that haven't been in print for hundreds of years, most of Adela Simmons'

books (on Saints' Gardens, Shakespeare Gardens, Medieval uses, etc),

and one of the best herb books ever, Henry Beston's 1931 "Herbs and

the Earth: An Evocative Excursion into the Lore and Legend of our

Common Herbs."



   I would also like to find a copy (print, photocopy, e-mail, anything!)

of Walahfrid Strabo's 9th century poem on medieval gardens (Hortuculus,

I think it is called), in Latin or English.



   Thanks very much. I appreciate your help, especially regarding

mailing lists, as they aren't always easy to find. Please also send

the "listserv" or "majordomo" address necessary to subscribe.



Mary in Connecticut



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 09:30:02 -0500

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From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Bugs in the Garden

In-Reply-To:  <950729.105318.EDT.EDAINE@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> from "Ed Space" at Jul

              29, 95 10:49:16 am



>

> Hey the summer heat is here in Georgia and so are all of the bugs.  I have been

>  growing food organicly and will not use pesticides but was wondering if you

> guys know of any organinc remedies for the common bug problem(A good repellent

> that will stick to the leaves).  Right now I am trying a concoction of red pepp

> ers,jalepenoes,garlic and vineger with water.  Any ideas would be strongly appr

> eciated.

> Thanks in advance,

>

Try adding a little liquid detergent to this concoction (about 1/4

teaspoon detergent per quart of liquid). It will break the surface

tension of the water to increase coverage and help it stick better.



--





Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 09:35:31 -0500

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From:         Deborah Duchon <antdadx@GSUSGI2.GSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: ginger ale

In-Reply-To:  <199507282206.SAA18215@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com> from "Nicholas

              Hill" at Jul 28, 95 06:06:54 pm



>

> On Sat, Jul 29, 1995 12:00:35 AM  at Automatic digest processor wrote:

>

> >Date:    Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:42:36 -0800

> >From:    Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

> >Subject: Re: Headaches, sinus pain

> >

> >I have a recipe for ginger ale if anyone is interested.

> I'm interested. Would love the recipe.

> Thanks,

> Alexandra

>

I, too, would appreciate it. Sorry not to post privately, but there

wasn't an address.



--





Deborah Duchon

antdadx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu

Georgia State University

404/651-1038



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:09:28 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Common mallow



>My query is this: I am growing common mallow (Malva sylvestris), which

>I plan on using in a cough candy, along with horehound. I was browsing

>through Thompson & Morgan catalogue the other day, and I saw a note with

>their mallow plants, that mallow is poisonous!



Now I really do wonder where Thompson & Morgan got that from ! The Mallow

family is also called the 'harmless' family because there isn't a poisonous

thought in any of them.

Just go ahead and eat any Malva or Hibiscus you may find, some of them might

not be pleasing to the palate, but they aren't poisonous.



HeK

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:13:19 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: bilberry and ginko biloba



>The British bilberry is smaller and tarter, as I understand it. The

>commercial blueberry has very little of the relevant pigment.



Talk in latin names, please. That should clear up any common-name

misunderstandings.

The blueberry I talk about is always Vaccinium myrtillus, but there

are many blueberries in the US.



HeK

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         "Elaine C. Mongiu 581-4485" <MONGIUE@MAIL.FIRN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: ginger ale

In-Reply-To:  <199507301335.JAA09868@gsusgi2.Gsu.EDU>



Alexandra: could you also email me the ginger ale recipe. Thanks-sorry to

post to the list-Elaine

Thanks to who ever sent the info on 'drooling' he is going to follow your

advice- I will post if i works for him.

email:    mongiue@mail.firn.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:46:25 +0200

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From:         jack paul <jack%ckd@KD3BJ.AMPR.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Mail list



>How does one

>subscribe to your mail list?



Send message to: listserv@trearn.bitnet

Subject: blank

From: Your name



subscribe herb your name





Jack Paul

Hereford, Pa 18056

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Rick Scott <ricks@VIVANET.COM>

Comments: To: HERB%TREARN.BITNET@vm.gmd.de



Can anyone direct me to some information or FAQs on melatonin?



Thanks in advance,











Rick



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 13:51:24 EDT

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From:         JACK PORCELLO <porcelloj@ORION.CRC.MONROECC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: ginger ale



I, too, would like the ginger ale recipe.  Perhaps you should just post

it to the list.  Any objections?  Please excuse me and let me know if I

am violating any list edict.



Thanks,





 ****************************************************************************

 *  "Fare thee well!                      Jack Porcello                     *

 *   And if for ever,                     Storytelling & Balloon Art        *

 *   Still for ever,                      PO BOX 266                        *

 *   Fare thee well!"                     Mumford, NY 14511                 *

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 14:36:24 -0700

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From:         Back in Black <skeevers@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: Stinky Hops

In-Reply-To:  <199507300800.DAA22409@millenium.texas.net>



Steven,



Why not put your hops either in a pillow that has a zipper on one side,

or in a little mesh bag (which you could tie closed with a piece of

string), so that after three days you can dump out the old hops and put

in fresh ones?  Or even simpler, just wrap them up in a piece of

cheesecloth and put the packet in your pillowcase.



Bon

|)(|



On Sun, 30 Jul 1995, Steven M. Armstrong wrote:



> -- [ From: Steven M. Armstrong * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

>

>      I read somewhere that hops sewn into a pillow can bring on intense

> dreams. So, I put some Tettnanger hops into a sachet, along with a little

> sweet basil from the garden.

>      I have been having occasional bouts of insomnea, but for three nights

> in a row, after placing this sachet inside my pillowcase, I had no trouble

> falling asleep (and it was a deeper, more restful sleep than I've had in

> years) and I had some wonderful, very vivid dreams.

>     The problem is this; after three nights, this sachet began to smell like

> smelly feet. It finally smelled so bad I had to throw it away.

>      Was the smell caused by the basil, or do hops rot? And if hops do rot

> and stink, why would someone sew them into a pillow? Is there a way to

> preserve hops, yet still allow their aroma to escape?

>      By the way, I used hops in pellet form. Would this make a difference?

>      Any help/advice would be appreciated. I'd like to be able to sleep like

> that again!

>

>      -Steven M. Armstrong

>



Bon                                             skeevers@netcom.com

|)(|



                        You remain

                                   my power

                                   my pleasure

                                   my pain



                        --Seal, "Kiss From a Rose"



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:18:58 -0400

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      hibiscus sabdarifa



can anyone out there tell me anything about Hisbiscus sabdarifa?  My

understanding is this is the variety I've found & bought in Mexico which is

so frequently used in commercial herbal teas. From my inquiries in Mexican

markets I learned it's called "jamaica."  No one seemed to be able to give me

any further facts.  I've dried dozens of flowering hibiscus and found them

totally useless either for flavor or color whereas the hibiscus blossom I'm

trying to find out about produces deep rich ruby color and a sharp, acidic

flavor when infused.

Thanks in advance for any help.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:19:13 -0400

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bugs in the Garden



Deborah -altho this solution is just about as gross as the bugs themselves,

if you know anyone who chews tobacco, get their discarded expectorant and mix

it with your other ingredients - the liquid nicotine seems to be a deterrent

to lots of bugs in my garden.  As my husband says, "I've always thought of

gardening as a percentage deal so plant extra for the bugs..."  Good luck.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:05:52 -0500

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From:         Liz Vose <liz@ERVOSE.MV.COM>

Subject:      Re: citrus plants in Maine



Hi Kirk,



I purchased my "special deal" of 5 citrus plants from a catalogue last year

and they have been growing on my window seat ever since.  The tangerine

plant has grown the best for me, as far as foliage goes, but the lemon and

orange plants blossomed almost as soon as they got settled in their new

home.  I got mine to blossom by putting violet food on them...just one

time.  Once they blossomed, I used a paint brush to pollinate them. The

fruit seem to take months and months to mature on the inside plants, but

maybe I'm just impatient.  The grapefruit plant is "hanging in there"  but

dropped all its leaves at first.  It still seems like it needs something,

but I haven't figured out what yet.  The lime tree died about a couple

months ago.



Growing plants is always fun for young people.  She will have to be really

patient for the oranges to mature. She will need a southern facing window

that gets lots of sunshine.  If she gets a very small plant, like I sent

away for, and it gets established in its new home, it is best to let just

one fruit develop until the plant gets much bigger.



Perhaps someone from the warmer zones could be much more helpful.  I still

am trying to learn some things to do with citrus leaves.



Good Luck!



Liz in Maine, where we are finally out of the hot muggy weather for one day.

>Hi lists,

>A week or so ago, a person in Maine posted a question about what to do

>with citrus leaves.  In a conversation with my five year old daughter

>last night, the idea of growing oranges in the house and actually being

>able to pcik and eat them sparked a lot of interest.  She is psyched to

>grow them, right now.  If the Maine citrus grower reads this, could you

>please let me know how you successfully grew them?  I have never tried

>it.  My daughter will undoubtedly be wanting to get going, so I thank you

>in advance for any advice.

>Kirk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:59:04 -0400

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From:         Sandra Hoffman <ghidra@INFOWEB.MAGI.COM>

Subject:      Re: Other Lists and Books on Herbs

In-Reply-To:  <950730081250.2260211f@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU>



On Sun, 30 Jul 1995, M.G. TAYLOR wrote:



> Hi everyone.

>     I am new to this list and am enjoying it very much.  I would like

> to know if any of you subscribe to other herb lists - not just

> concentrating on medical aspects, but on growing, history, other uses,

> etc.



I've been thinking of asking this question also. I enjoy this list even

though my interest in herbs is more focused on cultivation and history of

herbs. It would be nice to find out that there is a list or lists with

those focuses to complement this one.

 

sph



ghidra@magi.com



"This will do," said the bunyip to himself.

"No one can see me here. I can be as handsome as I like."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:05:14 -0400

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From:         Sandra Hoffman <ghidra@INFOWEB.MAGI.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bugs in the Garden

In-Reply-To:  <950730191912_44147107@aol.com>



On Sun, 30 Jul 1995, Claudette A. Aras wrote:



> Deborah -altho this solution is just about as gross as the bugs themselves,

> if you know anyone who chews tobacco, get their discarded expectorant and mix

> it with your other ingredients - the liquid nicotine seems to be a deterrent

> to lots of bugs in my garden.  As my husband says, "I've always thought of

> gardening as a percentage deal so plant extra for the bugs..."  Good luck.

>



Two warnings I've often seen associated with using nicotine from

commercially available taobacco products are that nicotine is very toxic,

apparently more toxic than many synthetic pesticides, and alot of

commercial tobacco carries the mosaic virus, even after the processing it

goes through, so any plants in the same family may develop mosaic from

the use of the tobacco juice.



sph



ghidra@magi.com



"This will do," said the bunyip to himself.

"No one can see me here. I can be as handsome as I like."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:07:42 -0400

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From:         Cunegonde@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: Stinky Hops



On Sun, 30 Jul 1995, Steven M. Armstrong wrote:



>I read somewhere that hops sewn into a pillow can bring on >intense dreams.

So, I put some Tettnanger hops into a sachet

>. . . placing this sachet inside my pillowcase . . . after three >nights,

this sachet began to smell like smelly feet.



Try putting the pillow at the other end of the bed.



I know what you mean, though.  I like to soak my pillow in beer so I can suck

on it during the night, but after a couple of weeks I start having terrible

nightmares.



/Cunegonde



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Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 10:14:00 -0800

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From:         Asma TCD-Networking Unit <asmawati@CSAM.COM.MY>

Subject:      Re: Headaches, sinus pain



I am interested !  Appreciation guaranteed.



>I have a recipe for ginger ale if anyone is interested.

>

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:41:23 -0600

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From:         Evan Ravitz <evan@DARKSTAR.CYGNUS.COM>

Subject:      Re: What to do with citrus leaves?

In-Reply-To:  <199507250220.WAA22200@sard.mv.net>



I remember reading that citrus oils can be used as insecticide as well as

disinfectant. A Boulder Colorado company is using lemon oil to remove

graffiti, too. I don't remember details.



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Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:45:51 -0500

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From:         "Steven M. Armstrong" <yooper@TEXAS.NET>

Subject:      Ginger ale recipe



-- [ From: Steven M. Armstrong * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --



Anita,



  I was just talking with a friend yesterday about home made gingerale, and

how I wish I could find a recipe.

 Please, please, please!  Would you send me this recipe?



 Thank you!



- Steven M. Armstrong

  <yooper@texas.net>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:00:27 -0800

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From:         Asma TCD-Networking Unit <asmawati@CSAM.COM.MY>

Subject:      Ginger Ale recipe



I would like to get this recipe.  I have sent two requests before this but

my mail gets returned each time.  I hope I am sending this to the correct

address.  Please pardon me if I did not and have sent junk mail to you.



Asmawati Aman Shah

Kelana Jaya

Malaysia



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:52:49 -0800

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From:         Asma TCD-Networking Unit <asmawati@CSAM.COM.MY>

Subject:      Re: ginger ale



I agree with the suggestions, since I see that a number of us are very

interested.  How about it, Anita ?  (did you get my direct mail)



.asma.





>I, too, would like the ginger ale recipe.  Perhaps you should just post

>it to the list.  Any objections?  Please excuse me and let me know if I

>am violating any list edict.

>

>Thanks,

>

>

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>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: bilberry and ginko biloba

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199507301420.AA17706@personal.eunet.fi> on 7/30/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >The British bilberry is smaller and tarter, as I understand it. The

: >commercial blueberry has very little of the relevant pigment.

:

: Talk in latin names, please. That should clear up any common-name

: misunderstandings. The blueberry I talk about is always Vaccinium

: myrtillus, but there are many blueberries in the US.

:

: HeK



Wild versus commercial is the issue, I believe. I don't see a whole lot of

difference between the word 'commercial' and the word --gigas--. I really am

not aware of the name of the relevant Vaccinum species--it has been several

years since I was informed of this distinction, by people marketing Strinx, a

bilberry extract for night vision. Sorry I couldn't be more complete in my

comment.



- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).

--



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Date:         Sun, 30 Jul 1995 22:24:35 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Stinky Hops

In-Reply-To:  <199507300800.DAA22409@millenium.texas.net>



On Sun, 30 Jul 1995, Steven M. Armstrong wrote:

>      I read somewhere that hops sewn into a pillow can bring on intense

> dreams. So, I put some Tettnanger hops into a sachet, along with a little

> sweet basil from the garden.

>      I have been having occasional bouts of insomnea, but for three nights

> in a row, after placing this sachet inside my pillowcase, I had no trouble

> falling asleep (and it was a deeper, more restful sleep than I've had in

> years) and I had some wonderful, very vivid dreams.

>     The problem is this; after three nights, this sachet began to smell like

> smelly feet. It finally smelled so bad I had to throw it away.

>      Was the smell caused by the basil, or do hops rot? And if hops do rot

> and stink, why would someone sew them into a pillow? Is there a way to

> preserve hops, yet still allow their aroma to escape?

>      By the way, I used hops in pellet form. Would this make a difference?

>      Any help/advice would be appreciated. I'd like to be able to sleep like

> that again!



1.  I'm not sure why you'd add basil.

2.  Your head would likely transfer oils and moisture to the pillow, starting

    decomposition.



Try again, but this time put  only very dry ingredients in the pillow and

leave it near your head, but not touching any part.  Kindly report back.

I have done it before, just putting the hops in an open box near the head

of the bed.  Can't report on any dreaming, but they didn't putrify either.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 01:01:32 -0800

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From:         Peggy Wilbur <moon2peg@SLIP.NET>

Subject:      Re: wild yams



Hello Peter, and all,



First, thanks to those of you who have written to welcome me back. Your

comments are much appreciated.



In response to the following:



>Peggy,

>

>I can understand the reasons why you think wild yam would not work as a

>form of birth control, but your belief is based on theory, in vitro

>experiments, animal experiments etc. and not on practice, and not in

>human beings.



Actually, Peter, I agree. An entire chapter of my study is dedicated to

questioning the relevance of in vitro and animal experiments in relation to

my inquiry.  The very idea that studies testing the effects of an herb on a

women's endocrine/nervous system are done on animals that do not even

menstruate is, and has always been, beyond me.  I purposefully sought out

human clinical trials and studies in my research, using "human clinical" as

part of my search strings. What I found was that some of the studies only

involved six women, or involved women who were on vegetarian diets in which

they consumed large amounts of soy and legumes and tended to ingest many

other herbs as part of their everyday diets (Consumption of soy products

(soy also contains phyto-estrogens) in traditional Japanese diets is

thought to play a part in lower breast cancer rates--this belief stems from

human clinical evidence.

>

>I would be more likely to believe empirical evidence (people who have

>successfully used it, like my wife) than on a theory about what a few of

>the compounds in the yam are "supposed" to do.



One reason why I became so interested in this subject is that I have a very

close friend who became pregnant WHILE using the yam, as directed, and had

to go through the pain of an abortion.



>If the experimental

>evidence doesn't support the observations, then not all of the variables

>have been considered by the experimenters.



I strongly believe that, in the scientific testing of herbs, this is

usually the case.  Scientists (and I admit that I am a scientist myself,

but I am also an herbalist-I do not see the two as opposite sides of a

coin) often tend to look for particular types of constituents (i.e.

alkaloids) and base efficacy and lethal dosage on results found only within

a particular scientific construct.  In other words, quite often, the cards

are stacked before $500,000 and the lives of millions of lab animals are

wasted trying to prove, within biased guidelines, that the herbs work.



>Don't be so quick to assume

>that people for whom this has worked are too ignorant to account for

>"other factors [that] may be at play in their lives that may be responsible

>for a lack of pregnancy."



Please, sir, I never used the word ignorant, nor would I ever cry ignorance

in this case.  I, perhaps failingly, tried to suggest that the complexities

of this question merit an examination of the other factors that may be in

play in a woman's life that would explain infertility in a woman taking

wild yam as birth control.



I feel that I made it quite clear that the assumption that yams contain

"progesterone building blocks" (based on the fact that the yam was made to

produce, industrially, birth control pills) is of main concern.  The fact

that phyto-estrogens have strikingly similar shapes to our bodies own

steroids--and cholesterol, by the way--seems to allow them to be shown the

way to estrogen receptors, thereby creating an estrogenic effect on the

body (which is not particular, but relational) It is important to remember

that receptors get saturated or filled (i.e. if you take a dose of LSD

today, the same dose may not create a psychadelic experience tomorrow, but

might the day after), so if the body's hormonal homeostasis is comfortable

or "normal" (tricky word, I know), in other words, if estrogen levels are

not considered "high" or "low", one may not notice a difference.  But, if

levels are low, the phyto-estrogens may fill receptor sites, thereby

"normalizing" estrogenic activity-if high (as in breast cancer, etc.), the

phyto-estrogens may, by filling the sites, result in the brain's not

triggering the  production of even more estrogen.



It is interesting that in some of the older studies, the discovery of

phyto-estrogens made some in the research community question whether we

should be eating foods containing PEs at all!  (For fear of "increasing"

estrogen in the body) Now that the receptor site activity is understood a

bit more, it is being proposed that PEs be included as part of the US

Recommended Daily Allowance in vitamins! Yes, for men too.



>As far as I'm concerned, the burden of proof is on the researchers, not

>on the people who are able to get the desired results.



I am truly glad that you have been able to avoid unwanted pregnancy.  This

has not been the case for all of us.



With deepest respect,

Peggy







>Peter                                           plschuerman@ucdavis.edu

>

>On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, Peggy Wilbur wrote:

>

>> Greetings Folks,

>> I have been away from the list for some time (due to lots of study and

>> work), but have been reading mail when I have a chance.  I do have to jump

>> in on this one, though, because I feel that it is important to nip this one

>> in the bud. The following is based on my own extensive research on

>> phytoestrogens.  While my research has led me deep into the chemistry of

>> phytoestrogens and the physiology of the endocrine system, I keep it very

>> basic here...In reply to:

>>

>> >In a message dated 95-07-23 22:45:09 EDT, msmith@OLDCOLO.COM (Michael J.

>> >Smith) writes:

>> >

>> >>I recently read an article about the use of wild yam in gel caps as a

>> >>form of birth control.  The article warned that it is only effective if

>> >>taken in regular doses (3 size 00 capsules twice a day) and then you have

>> >>to wait 2 months before it works.  I would be willing to try it--I've had

>> >>a horrible time with conventional birth control, but the article had no

>> >>references or explaination of how the wild yams work.  Has anyone else

>> >>heard of this?  I'd appreciate any info.

>> >>

>> >>Candice Smith

>> >

>> >I had heard from my midwife that they worked for birth control.  I asked the

>> >group but did not get much discussion on it.  I would be interested if

>> >someone knows the action there also.

>> >

>> >Deb

>>

>>

>> Wild Yam, (Dioscorea villosa), contains a number of substances known as

>> phytoestrogens. Phytoestrogens are those plant chemicals that bind to our

>> cells' estrogen receptor sites and, theoretically, trigger the components

>> of estrogenic activity (activity does not necessarily mean production).

>> This binding is possible due to striking similarities, in shape and

>> structure, to the body's own steroids. By binding to these estrogen

>> receptor sites when blood estrogen levels are high, phytoestrogens are,

>> again theoretically, able to reduce overall estrogen activity (Key to the

>> estrogen-induced breast cancer debate). Conversely, when estrogen levels

>> are low, they are able to promote estrogenic action.

>>

>> Well over 250 plant species contain phytoestrogens, including, for example,

>> Dong quai (Angelica sinensis), Red clover (Trifolium praetens), Alfalfa

>> (Medicago sativum), Licorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra), Fennel (Foeniculum

>> vulgare), Black Cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa), and Soybean (Glycine max).

>> There is much controvery surrounding the uses of such plants both

>> medicinally and nutritionally.

>>

>> Some herbalists (and others) believe that the phytoestrogens found in the

>> Wild Yam, including steroidal saponins (mainly diosgenin), are hormone

>> "precursors", especially of progesterone.  However, while diosgenin from D.

>> villosa was once widely used, through an industrial five-step chemical

>> degradation (e.g. the Marker degredation), in the industry manufacturing of

>> progesterone-containing birth control pills, the human body is not capable

>> of such a synthesis using phytoestrogens as a starting point.  Our bodies

>> simply do not have the enzymes necessary for such a "building block"

>> conversion.  The estrogenic effects that have been noted (i.e. in relation

>> to relief of various menopausal discomforts) may very well be due to the

>> previously mentioned binding of phytoestrogens to estrogen receptor sites,

>> which occurs when phytosterols cross the cell membrane and bind to a

>> specific cytoplasmic receptor molecule.  The receptor-hormone combination

>> then enters the nucleus, where it binds to a particular DNA sequence by

>> attaching itself to a specific site on a chromosome.  This attachment

>> activates those genes responsible for hormone-induced changes. (It gets a

>> bit more complicated than this, but I'll spare you!)

>>

>> So again, while some steroids are bioconverted or biosynthesized through

>> the metabolic action of the liver to produce sex hormones (i.e. cholesterol

>> > estradiol), the liver does not produce estrogen or progesterone by

>> "building" upon the diosgenin in D. villosa.

>>

>> Very brief, but hope this is of some use to you both.  Wild Yam does not

>> act as a birth control pill just because birth control pills were once

>> synthesized from its constituents. While some women may write back and say

>> that the Yam has been effective for them, I might ask what other factors

>> may be at play in their lives that may be responsible for a lack of

>> pregnancy.

>>

>> Thanks for reading this long reply.

>>

>> In Viriditas,

>> Peggy

>>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 05:59:15 EDT

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From:         JACK PORCELLO <porcelloj@ORION.CRC.MONROECC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Ginger ale recipe



Perhaps you should just send the recipe to the list!

I'll take it too!





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 *  "Fare thee well!                      Jack Porcello                     *

 *   And if for ever,                     Storytelling & Balloon Art        *

 *   Still for ever,                      PO BOX 266                        *

 *   Fare thee well!"                     Mumford, NY 14511                 *

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         JACK PORCELLO <porcelloj@ORION.CRC.MONROECC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Ginger Ale recipe



Please forgive my posting the ginger ale request suggestion twice.  My

mail server sent me a copy back with a delivery error, so I thought it

didn't make it to the list.  Then I saw someone quote an exerpt from it.

Perhaps I should go ACK.

Apologies,





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 *   Still for ever,                      PO BOX 266                        *

 *   Fare thee well!"                     Mumford, NY 14511                 *

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         "R.M.K." <iss@RCI.RIPCO.COM>

Subject:      Re: rattlesnake root & fa



To: HERB@trearnpc.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: rattlesnake root & false bamboo



Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>  wrote:

|

|There are a couple on intriguing plants I've been noticing locally. One is

|Rattlesnake root. The name suggests it may have been used in connection with

|rattlesnakes. The "root" is actually a rhizome with a very pungent odor,

|yellow in color. It gets lovely white blossoms and the leaf is arrowhead

|shaped. If anyone has information on this plant, I'd like to know.

|The other plant is called locally "false bamboo". It has a long jointed,

|hollow stalk and large elephantear shaped leaves. I have been unable to find

|this plant in my field guides so it must be an introduced species.

|Anybody got any ideas on the scientific name or uses of this plant?

|



It's often difficult to ID plants when you don't even know where in the

WORLD the person is talking about..??... in this case... I *ASSUME*

Alaska..??.



the 'rattlesnake root' is white lettuce <Prenanthes alba>... not really

a lettuce at all... it's a member of the daisy <composite> family.



Your 'False bamboo' is probably PRINCE'S-FEATHER <Polygonum orientale>.

It probably is in your wildflower book... but the plant can grow to 10'

high..!!.  It's a GREAT plant to start along a sunny fence-line, or

where you need a quick privacy 'fence'... WARNING: do NOT get it started

in your garden... you'll never get rid of it..!!... this is how it got

its' name 'bamboo'... it spreads quickly by underground rhizomes.

Insects love the late-summer flowers, which have a sweet-vanilla smell.

No herbal value that I've ever heard of... but a nice plant *IF* you

have the proper place for it.



Rob.



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Subject:      Re: grape leaves



>Dolmardies a Greek finger food are wrapped in grape leaves.

> the ornamental grape has lemon tasting leaves.

>MB

>



Very tasty too.  My mother-in-law makes these all the time.  I was told that

the leaves to use are from non fruit produceing vines.



Brian





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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: hibiscus sabdarifa

Comments: To: Carras@aol.com



>can anyone out there tell me anything about Hisbiscus sabdarifa?  My

>understanding is this is the variety I've found & bought in Mexico which is

>so frequently used in commercial herbal teas. From my inquiries in Mexican

>markets I learned it's called "jamaica."  No one seemed to be able to give me

>any further facts.  I've dried dozens of flowering hibiscus and found them

>totally useless either for flavor or color whereas the hibiscus blossom I'm

>trying to find out about produces deep rich ruby color and a sharp, acidic

>flavor when infused.



Hibiscus sabdariffa is indeed the plant you are looking for; the dried

flowers are sold under the name kardade here and there, and under the

name rosehip tea in Finland (try to find some rosehip in those teabags -

watch me grin - and try to make rosehip tea without karkade - watch me

grin again, it doesn't taste like anything and it doesn't have any color

you could name either).

I can't say if your H.s. 'Jamaica' would taste the same as the parent plant,

but you should try it and tell us - I'd be curious for one.

(They only grow indoors over here, and the one I had sadly died of too many

 bugs last winter. It wasn't any variety, just H.s.)



HeK

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.



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From:         "Shirley Printing Dept." <SHIRLEYN@OPC.SAULTC.ON.CA>

Subject:      Devil's claw



Hi:

I am new at this but here goes. I have inflammation of my heel tendon

resulting in a heel spur. I stand all day at work so am in a lot of pain etc.

Can anyone give me info on "devil's claw" or any other herb or treatment

that will help me.

THX Shirley



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From:         C Oinonen Ehren <TOIVO@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fruity flavour in herb teas.



You could use dried fruit.  Dried blueberries make a very nice addition to

tea.  You can also use dried fruit peels and rinds, and rosehips are kinda

fruity.  So is oil of bergamot.  Many fruits are available as their essential

oils, and you can mix those into your blends, provided the

manufacturer/supplier can certify them safe for consumption.  (Some kinds of

essential oil are for aromatherapy only and may just plain be something you

shouldn't ingest).



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:50:44 -0400

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From:         C Oinonen Ehren <TOIVO@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Scented candles.



I haven't tried using solids in candles, but I do know a little that might

help.  Candles burn because the heat of the flame melts the wax and capillary

action pulls the melted wax up the wick where the flame burns it and then

more melted wax is pulled up.  Things like wick type/width determine flame

size, and how much of the candle is actually melted.  ie. a small flame

(small wick) may dig itself a hole in the middle of the candle without

melting the candle's outer wall, where a larger wick will melt the whole

shebang with wax running down the sides.  Putting herbs in the melted wax may

release some essences from those herbs into the wax (although I wouldn't

think wax would be too good a solvent).  When the candle is burned, the wax

(and herbs) would be heated again, and more essences may be released, but

very little of the herb should actually be burned because, for the most part,

the herb particles would be too big to travel with the melted wax up the wick

to the flame.  Particles could build up in that little pool of melted wax

that forms under the wick, and that could eventually burn if enough builds

up, which would be a saftey problem I think.  Also, if a whole stem or a

really large piece were to poke up out of the wax, that could light and form

almost a second wick, although not a very good one.  If you ground your herb

up fine, sized the wick such that the whole width of the candle burned, so

that excess wax ran down the sides, carrying with it the excess herb

powder/pieces, I think (mechanically) this should work.  As to how much dried

herb you'd need to use to get the strength of smell that you want, boy I

don't know.  If it were me, I'd just experiment. I hope these ideas help.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:54:30 -0400

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Subject:      Re: Lets start our own fad was General Hype and Fanfare



I'd like to second the nomination of violets, you know, the regular wild

cracks-of-sidewalks and your neighbors' lawns kind.  I love them.  I have a

recipe for violet syrup, as in to put on pancakes and icecream or in soda

water, and of course the leaves are nice in salads.  I have collected a lot

of seed, in hope of cultivating them (they have long, kind of oblong seed

pods.  I try to get them green because once they've dried they dry they kind

of shoot the little seeds out of them.   I've observed that some of the seeds

are white, while others are black).  Problem is I can't get them to germinate

for me.  Thinking I should try freezing them first, or putting them on the

surface instead of burying them, etc. but I only have so many, not enought to

experiment with.  Anyone have suggestions?



Oh, and they made my nails grow, and I lost 20 lbs in five days!!! and

bigfoot is the father of Elizabeth Taylor's twoheaded love child! :)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:08:25 -0400

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From:         Joan Slezak <jslezak@CALV1.CRAY.COM>

Subject:      Herb FAQ



Please forward to me the HERB FAQ.



Thanks in advance.

Joan









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From:         vic hlushak <vhlushak@AWINC.COM>

Subject:      Re: Stinky Hops



>-- [ From: Steven M. Armstrong * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

>

>     I read somewhere that hops sewn into a pillow can bring on intense

>dreams. So, I put some Tettnanger hops into a sachet, along with a little

>sweet basil from the garden.

>     I have been having occasional bouts of insomnea, but for three nights

>in a row, after placing this sachet inside my pillowcase, I had no trouble

>falling asleep (and it was a deeper, more restful sleep than I've had in

>years) and I had some wonderful, very vivid dreams.

>    The problem is this; after three nights, this sachet began to smell like

>smelly feet. It finally smelled so bad I had to throw it away.

>     Was the smell caused by the basil, or do hops rot? And if hops do rot

>and stink, why would someone sew them into a pillow? Is there a way to

>preserve hops, yet still allow their aroma to escape?

>     By the way, I used hops in pellet form. Would this make a difference?

>     Any help/advice would be appreciated. I'd like to be able to sleep like

>that again!

>

>     -Steven M. Armstrong



It was probably the basil.  The hops should just go less aromatic over time.

Hop pellets are hop flowers (cones) that have been crushed and formed into

pellets so they should be all right.



TTYL



vic

Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:07:52 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Herb FAQ

Comments: To: Joan Slezak <jslezak@calv1.cray.com>



>Please forward to me the HERB FAQ.



(maybe I should post this once a week...)



The medicinal herbfaq is available by www (much to big to email) or ftp.



ftp: ftp sunsite.unc.edu /pub/academic/medicine/alternative_healthcare/

  herbs/faqs/...

www: http://frank.mtsu.edu/~sward/herb/medicinal.html



There is a new culinary herbfaq.

www: http://frank.mtsu.edu/~sward/herb/grow.html (culinary herbfaq parts

     one and two)



best

HeK

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Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 10:31:32 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Ginger Brew recipe



Ingredients for starter: 1/2 oz. dried yeast, 2 cups warm water, 1 heaping

tsp. ground ginger, 1 heaping tsp sugar. In a jug dissolve the sugar in

alittle of the warm water. Stir in yeast and set 10 min. Add the rest of

the water and ginger and stir. Pour into large wide mouth jar and cover

loosely with cloth. Keep in a warm place and daily add 1 heaping tsp

ground ginger and 1 heaping tsp sugar. After 1 week start the brew as

follows: 1 1/2 cups sugar, 2 cups hot water, juice of 1 lemon or 2 tbsp

bottled lemon juice, 6 cups cold water. In large bowl add sugar, hot water

and stir till dissolved, Add lemon juice and cold water, pour in the

liquid from the starter jar, taking care not to pour out the brown paste

at the bottom of the jar. Stir well.  Pour ginger brew into empy bottles,

leaveing about 1 inch gap at the tip of each bottle. Screw on bottle tops

loosely and brew 1 week before drinking.

Divide paste into two batches. Give one away and to your half add all the

ingredients in starter except yeast. Feed with sugar and ginger as before

and make another batch.

Have fun. Anita



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 10:32:58 -0800

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Subject:      Re: Anti-depressant herbs



St. John

s wort and cramp bark and sundew have some anti-depressant properties.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:42:33 -0700

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From:         Kirk Adams <kadams@SPL.LIB.WA.US>

Subject:      Re: Raspberry tea for breakthrough bleedin

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9507291856.A23748-0100000@netcom>



Regarding birth control,

Have you ever tried a cervical cap.  Back in our pre children days my

wife used one for several years successfully.

Kirk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 10:53:03 -0800

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Subject:      Re: Ginger Ale recipe



The recipe has been posted to the list. If you do not get it let me know.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      Re: bilberry and ginko biloba



Checking my "Flora of Alaska" There are 7 species of Vaccinium listed.

None of them are V. Myrtillis. However, a couple of them probably have

very similar properties: V. caespitsoum and V.uglinosum. They are found

in muskek bogs and have similar pigment to V. myrtillus.



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> are white, while others are black).  Problem is I can't get them to germinate



The seeds might need to be "scratched" first.  Try combining the seeds with

some sand in a container.  Then shake the container.  Also, try contacting your

local agricultural department.



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Shirley

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                    |   i breathe the leaves

                    | when i breathe out

                    |   the leaves breathe me

                    | we are breath of life

                    |   each to the other

                    | both essential to the

                    |   whole

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:13:01 -0800

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Subject:      Re: Devil's claw



I've had the same problem. I don't know of a cure but I've found a couple

of things that help. I'v used tiger balm, had my husband massage it in, It

works OK. Also found boiling 4 oz mullein, 1 oz lobelia and 1/2 tsp cayenne

in 1 quart vinegar for a soothing compress (hot). Compress for 1 hour. That's

helpful in any joint or arthritic inflammation too. I hope this helps some.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:17:50 -0400

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Subject:      Re: Bugs in the Garden



Other bugs are a great option.  There was a good article in Organic Gardening

a month or two back about planting borders to help attract beneficial insects

(insects that will eat the bad insects).  A lot of the good plants to attract

good bugs are also herbals, like yarrow.  I think you can order back issues

from OG.  Let me know if you would like the info.

