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Date:         Sat, 30 Sep 1995 20:52:48 -0400

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: SUGAR CRAVING



For what it's worth, found this in a healthfood store magazine:  STOP FOOD

CRAVINGS (Everybody's Guide to Homepathic Medicines, by Stephen Cummings, and

Dana Ullman)

Here are some homeopathic suggestions for quelling food cravings.  Remember,

homeopathy generally addresses the whole person so in order to accurately

match your symptoms with an appropriate remedy, consult a licensed homeopath.

CALCAREA CARBONICA: patient mayhave cravings for eggs, milk, sweets, salt and

raw potatoes.

PHOSPHORUS:  Typical cravings are for salt, spicy foods and ice cream.

LYCOPODIUM:  Patient may have a ravenous appetite soon after a big meal.

 Intense hunger may wake Lycopodium type from sleep.

SEPIA:  May have a gnawing hunger or a sensation of emptiness in the stomach

or abdomen.  Patient tends to crave sour, bitter, pungent and spicy foods."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: SUGAR CRAVING



In message ID <950930205246_113377696@mail02.mail.aol.com> on 9/30/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: For what it's worth, found this in a healthfood store magazine:  STOP FOOD

: CRAVINGS (Everybody's Guide to Homepathic Medicines, by Stephen

: Cummings, and Dana Ullman)

: Here are some homeopathic suggestions for quelling food cravings.

Remember,

: homeopathy generally addresses the whole person so in order to accurately

: match your symptoms with an appropriate remedy, consult a licensed

: homeopath. CALCAREA CARBONICA: patient mayhave cravings for eggs,

: milk, sweets, salt and raw potatoes.

: PHOSPHORUS:  Typical cravings are for salt, spicy foods and ice cream.

: LYCOPODIUM:  Patient may have a ravenous appetite soon after a big meal.

:  Intense hunger may wake Lycopodium type from sleep.

: SEPIA:  May have a gnawing hunger or a sensation of emptiness in the

stomach

: or abdomen.  Patient tends to crave sour, bitter, pungent and spicy foods."



NOT WORTH VERY MUCH. This kind of fooling around with polychrests is very

risky, and can damage your health balance for months, years if it is done

aggressively. One of the little things there is to dislike about that book.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:56:58 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Re; Chromium Picolinate

In-Reply-To:  <01BA8F48.E4D520A0@bway-slip54.dynamic.usit.net>



On Sat, 30 Sep 1995, mberg wrote:



> Interesting that Chromium Picolinate should come up in disscussion now. My



Either here, or on the HOLISTIC list, someone mentioned a safer

substitute being Chromium Nicotinate (sp?).  Just passing the word.

Haven't seen it for sale in the places I frequent.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:27:20 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Juicers

In-Reply-To:  <950929234833_112897641@emout05.mail.aol.com>



On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, Susan Oneppo wrote:



> I have an Omega juicer that I love!  Usually I put the pulp onto the compose

> heap but on occassion, (depending on the veggies used) I have used the pulp

> as a base for vegetable soup stock.



I've used the carrot pulp for bread.



> At one time, I had also looked at the Vita-Mix.  While extremely tempting,

> seeing that it can make soft serve ice cream or hot soup, I decided to get

> some more software with the money instead.



Wow, a person after my own heart.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:25:14 -0400

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From:         Alison Coppola <ACopp90922@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: dandruff



My hairdresser suggested several years ago to soak a cotton ball with

SeaBreeze antiseptic lotion and apply liberally to scalp only.  Let sit for

about 20 minutes, then wash hair as usual.  I used to have hair about  your

length, and had the same problem.  My hair is shorter (shoulder length) and

the problem's gone.



Good luck!

Al



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:52:59 +1000

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From:         Russell Mcallister <mcallist@ENTERNET.COM.AU>

Subject:      Australasian Aromatherapy Conference 1996



Thought you might be interested in the following:

'Australasian Aromatherapy Conference' to be held in Sydney, Australia - Mar

29 to Apr 1, 1996.

Several local & overseas essential oil experts will be giving presentations,

plus large trade exhibition as well, a first for Australia.

Further details:  Aromatherapy Conference

                  PO Box 1058, Epping NSW 2121

                  Australia

                  Ph: (612)8768380

                  Fax: (612)8765568



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:25:34 +0100

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From:         Lise Andersen <lise@MEDCHEM.DFH.DK>

Subject:      Re: sleeping aids needed



>>In message ID <v01510103ac909a5750e9@[128.249.6.145]> on 9/28/95,

>>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>>

>>: >In message ID <30691613@SmtpOut.em.cdc.gov> on 9/27/95,

>>: >HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>>: >

><snip>

> My question for now is about my

>>: >: fiance. He has been having trouble sleeping the last couple months,

>>: >: he says he is woken up frequently by dreams and doesn't fall back to

>>: >: sleep for hours, only to be woken up again by another dream. Do any

>>: >: of you have any herbal therapies he could try? I have a limited

>>: >: supply of herbs right now but if there are some fairly common

>>: >: ingredients I could find I wouldnt mind spending the time putting

>>: >: something together. Thanks you for your help!

>>: >:

>>: >: Diane

>>: >: emery@bcm.tmc.edu

>>: >

>>: >Does he drink cofffee?

>>: >

>>: >--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>>:

>>: Yes, he does, but only in the morning.

>>

>>Yes, and has he been getting sufficient sleep for the months prior to his

>>recent problem? Been under much stress?

>>

>>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>>-

>

>Oddly enough, his stress and sleepless nights ended just before this

>problem arose when he passed his qualifying exams (he is a grad student).

>Do you think it could be some sort of delayed response to the stress?

>

>Thanks for the help!

>

>Diane





It is very common that the body respons to stress. If he have been in a lot

of stress resently, the body will take som time to go back to normal. But

camomile tea or valeriane will help him relaxing and sleeping.





Lise    lise@medchem.dfh.dk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 1 Oct 1995 21:06:49 +0000

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From:         christopher hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      re sleeping aids needed



We need Paul to remind us that healing can only be an holistic process. It

is too easy to slip into the 'cure it quickly' mentality which pervades our

society.



However there is often hidden virtue in what might appear to be purely

symptomatic treatment with herbs, for example using relaxing herbs to help

us reconstruct a healthy sleeping pattern.

Vervain, either the officinalis or Blue Vervain V. hastata, was used in

traditional medicine to induce a dreamless sleep. It is not a strong

sedative but more a mild relaxant and nerve tonic. It is also used as a

kidney restorative, a fever herb, for liver cleansing, protection against

demons and strengthening eyesight....  I could go on.

        It facilitates letting go and is thus an ideal herb for getting

over stressful bits of life.



Christopher Hedley, herbalist...



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:05:29 +0100

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From:         Lise Andersen <lise@MEDCHEM.DFH.DK>

Subject:      Re: cleansing herb before surgery



>Let's see if this mail gets through. <sigh.>  Barbara:  you might want

>your mother to drink some Gingko Biloba tea before hip replacement

>surgery.  I don't know about artificial body parts, but Gingko helps the

>body to accept organ transplants.  It might help to keep her body from

>trying to 'reject' the hip as a foreign object.  Just a thought.

>

>lesley ann jones





I think this is the worst advice ever given - If you are having a hip

replancement it has nothing to do with an organ transplant. The hip is

artificial and will not be rejected as for instance a liver will be.

On the other hand will it be foolish to take some herb before an organ

transplantion, because you will have to take a lot of drugs after the

transplantation, that will keep you from rejection the transplant - so a

herb cound interfere with the drug, which will be fatal for you.



Lise Andersen

Master of Pharmacy



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 2 Oct 1995 08:40:50 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: dandruff



If you have very long hair, as I do, you should consider washing it no more

than 2-3 times a week...less if your hair is on the dry side.  Overwashing

not only damages and breaks long hair, it creates a dry scalp.



Here's a good treatment for dandruff:



To a 1/4 cup water, add 1 tbls. apple cider vinegar, and 5-7 drops of one or

more of the following essential oils:  carrot, sage, thyme, rosemary, basil,

laveder, cypress.   Rub this mixture into the scalp (not the hair) before

going to bed at night.  Wash or rinse in the morning.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:41:55 -0800

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From:         Mark Rothenberg <rothenmr@SCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: devil's club



Mark said:

Have not heard anything on this issue.  I would say at this time that it is

not true.



>In a message dated 95-09-29 16:26:41 EDT, you write:

>

>>        One post suggested using chromium picolinate. There have been

>>recent poon the holistic list that new research has found this

>>substance to be toxic and people are being advised against its use.

>>Sorry, I don't have the references, as they got lost in the flood of

>>paper that inundates my office.

>>

>>                        George

>

>Does anybody know where information about this can be found, or whether its

>really so?

>

>MB



Mark Rothenberg

rothenmr@sce.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:09:33 -0400

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From:         Ann Joy <Aj99@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Phone #



Hi!

  I have the # for the International Herb Association..Don't know if that is

what you mean...708-949-4372...I couldnt find anything on the Herb Growers

Association.

  Ann



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 2 Oct 1995 17:03:11 -0500

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From:         Jaime Delgado <jdelgado@PI.PRO.EC>

Subject:      HELP: RESPIRATORY INFECTION RESEARCH



HELLO



We are getting into research on RESPIRATORY INFECTION ACUTE IN CHILDREN

UNDER 5 YEARS.  Please if somebody knows about plants or alternative methods

to prevent and treatment, please tell us.  This is a public health

undertaking to work on suburban areas in poor people.



Thanks in advance.



Jaime Delgado

FUNDACION ARMONIA PLANETARIA

jdelgado@pi.pro.ec



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:39:05 -0400

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From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Phone #



The phone # for the Herb Growers and Marketers Association is 717-393-3295



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:59:59 -0400

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From:         Ann Joy <Aj99@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Re; Chromium Picolinate



In reply to chromiuim Picolinate....

  I tried it for 10 days.....I quickly discontinued it after the 10th...I had

a burning, itching sensation on my face and neck. it hurt greatly..lasted

about 4 hours...I could not attribute it to anything else but the

chromium...I believe it was a reaction to the chromium, but I cannot prove

it....

  Ann



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:47:17 +0100

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From:         Lise Andersen <lise@MEDCHEM.DFH.DK>

Subject:      Re: Re; Chromium Picolinate



>There are products in the stores that state they are Chromium or are for

>wait loss.  Make sure the product your sister is taking is Chromium

>Picolinate, and not a false Chromium P.  She may also want to switch brands

>of Chromium Picolinate and see if the hives occur.  The brand may contain a

>different or the correct source.

>

>Mark from Alhambra, CA

>

>>Interesting that Chromium Picolinate should come up in disscussion now. My

>>sister has been taking this for wieght loss and has just asked me to ask on

>>the list if any one has had the side effects that she has. About eight

>>hours after taking it, if she exersises or gets her heart rate up doing any

>>thing, she gets hives down her hips and thighs. She stopped taking it and

>>the hives stopped. She has been off for ten days and is now going to start

>>agian to see if the hives occure again. She doesn't " do herbs " so we

>>don't think it's a bad combination of chemicals. Perhaps it's a combination

>>of something she eats?

>>                                        Thanks

>>                                                Alison

>

>Mark Rothenberg

>rothenmr@sce.com





If sideeffects so as effecting the heart occur I would strongly advice not

to take Chromium Picolinate. It is not essential for your sisters health -

if she wants to lose weight she could try to avoid fats in the diet and

make exercises.



Lise Andersen

lise@medchem.dfh.dk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:37:55 +0100

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From:         James Morley <jm12kg@LION.RBGKEW.ORG.UK>

Subject:      Re: Phone #

In-Reply-To:  <951002160931_114517008@emout04.mail.aol.com>



On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Ann Joy wrote:



> Hi!

>   I have the # for the International Herb Association..Don't know if that is

> what you mean...708-949-4372...I couldnt find anything on the Herb Growers

> Association.

>   Ann

>



Or what about the Herb Growing and Marketing Network?



PO Box 245

Silver Spring

PA 17575-0245

Tel. (717)393-3295

HERBWORLD@aol.com





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James Morley                           J.Morley@rbgkew.org.uk

Centre for Economic Botany

Royal Botanic Gardens                    Tel. (0)181 332 5719

Kew, Richmond                            Fax. (0)181 332 5278

Surrey   TW9 3AE

UK                          WWW  http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/ceb

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 3 Oct 1995 07:11:51 EDT

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From:         "Robert L. Lamons" <rlamons@PEN.K12.VA.US>

Subject:      Re: Fennel seeds

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.OSF.3.91.950924173825.15754A-100000@alcor.concordia.ca>;

              from "JASMINE" at Sep 24, 95 5:43 pm



According to JASMINE:

> I posted an enquiry as to what herb could be used as an appetite

> suppressant. Chewing on fennel seeds was suggested.  I haven't yet tried it

> because the thought of chewing on these seeds do not exactly whet my

> appetite.

>

If you are not hungry after chewing the seeds I guess they

surpressed your appetite, eh?  ;-)



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From:         Susan Lowell <susan@OSF1.DC.LSOFT.COM>

Subject:      Vita-mix



I've been interested in the vita-mix, but haven't actually gotten to talk

with someone who owns one.  I have several herbs growing in my yard, and

would like to be able to make tonics and veggie-shakes with herbs, as

well as herb bread.  I'd like to hear from someone out there who acutally

has one.  The juicers that extract the pulp are extracting the FIBER from

the fruit, as  well as many vitamins (at least that's my impression), and

I think that it's important to get the whole food as much as possible.

I'm wondering how the vitamix is for grinding grain, and for making

culinary herb sauces such as pesto.





....s



My feelings and opinions--don't blame L-Soft



Susan Lowell

Communications and Marketing Coordinator

L-Soft, international, Inc.

susan@lsoft.com

--We license authentic LISTSERV(TM)



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Date:         Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:54:31 -0400

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From:         MARIA A TURCO <TURCOMAR@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU>

Subject:      chromium picolinate??



On 9/29 George wrote:

>Thanks to those who responded to my query concerning the use of

>Devil's Club for reducing sugar craving.  (snip)

>        One post suggested using chromium picolinate. There have

>been recent poon the holistic list that new research has found this

>substance to be toxic and people are being advised against its use.

>Sorry, I don't have the references, as they got lost in the flood of

>paper that inundates my office.

>

>                        George



I remember seeing a post from a woman who apologized for posting in

haste that cromium picolinate was toxic, that she had misread or

misunderstood something that she had read, and she asked that the net

not come down on her too harshly for it.



Can anyone else verify the alleged dangers of chromium picolinate?

Or is that woman out there who mis-posted in the first place?  I take

chrom. picol. daily, and never heard of toxic effects - but if so, I

would like to know!



Thanks!



Maria

turcomar@lanmail.shu.edu



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Date:         Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:42:25 -0400

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Mugwort



Does anyone know where I can get more information/sources for mugwort (a

close relative of absinthe/wormwood) as a dream potentiator?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:05:13 +0100

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From:         Lise Andersen <lise@MEDCHEM.DFH.DK>

Subject:      Re: chromium picolinate??



>I don't really know what all of this means, but will someone with

>knowledge and insight please comment?

>

>Thanks!

>

>Maria

>turcomar@lanmail.shu.edu



3-picolinate is the chemical name for niacin (vitamin B) and of cource is

it not dangerous if you take vitamins. Vit B and other not water souble

vitamins, can give sideeffects if taken in to big amount.



Lise Andersen,   Master of Pharmacy

lise@medchem.dfh.dk



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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      ear candles



Does anyone know how tomake ear candles? We use many of them and would like

to make them ourselves. Thanks.



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From:         KIM MAYROSE <SCAY54A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Herbs & Coffee



-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --



Hello to all-



I have been told that coffee (which is an herb also, or is it?) will

cancel out the effectiveness of herbs used for medicinal purposes.  Is

this true?  Does it make a difference if it is regular coffee, decaf,

or not at all?



TIA for any replies,



Kim Mayrose

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Happiness is wanting what you have

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         KIM MAYROSE <SCAY54A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Herbs For Food Poisoning?



-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --



Hello Herb Friends-



I would like to know if there are herbs that can be taken if one has

food poisoning. Or would it be preferable NOT to try and prevent the

symptoms of food poisoning (such as vomiting and diarrhea), but to just

let it get out of one's system?



Thanks!



Kim Mayrose

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Happiness is not having what you want

Happiness is wanting what you have

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From:         KIM MAYROSE <SCAY54A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Re: cranberry juice



-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --



> I'm not disputing that drinking cranbeery juice with "anesthetize the

> urethra" as you said.  But that does not mean the juice DID NOT make the

> urine more acid.  With an acidic urine, it might have felt that the

> urethra and been anesthetized.  Or after all the problems with infection,

> it certainly felt anesthetized!

> But what ever the explaination, it does work!  That is the main point of

> drinking the cranberry juice!

> ttyl

>

> --

> charles ferris - ferrisw@vortex.ithaca.ny.us The Total Perspective

Vortex

> BBS, Ithaca, NY



Dear Charles,



I am not trying to be argumentative here, truly I am not.  I would be

very much interested in any research that you can direct me to that

states that cranberry juice makes the urine more acidic.  The reason I

ask, is that our former pediatrician told me the opposite when he

suspected my older daughter had a bladder infection a few years ago,

and one of my previous gynecologists had told me the same, as did my

grandmother's gynecologist.  Any further info you can pass along, would

be much appreciated.



Thank you,



Kim Mayrose

West Des Moines, Iowa  USA



*********************************************

Happiness is not having what you want

Happiness is wanting what you have

*********************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 3 Oct 1995 18:39:41 -0500

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From:         Ari Solovyova <asolovyo@INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Vita-mix

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.OSF.3.91.951003094008.28286D-100000@osf1.dc.lsoft.com>



I use Vita-Mix every day many, oh so many times!! :-) My husband and I are

poor students and health freaks, with a gourmet twist. Vita-Mix is

beautiful! We spent $300+ on it, and love it as a child. It does it all:

tonics, shakes, flour, dough, sauces, soups, nut butters, ice cream, true

to the last word of the ad booklet. It saves lots of time and brings

epicurean luxuries into our dull life. :-) One stupid thing about their

cookbook is that it's filled with brand names of some strange products

that I don't want to try at all; but you can easily substitute normal

eggs, butter, etc. for them. It's so easy to clean, too! We had a regular

juicer before, and it was a pain.



Write me if you want more details.



Ari Solovyova



On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Susan Lowell wrote:



> I've been interested in the vita-mix, but haven't actually gotten to talk

> with someone who owns one.  I have several herbs growing in my yard, and

> would like to be able to make tonics and veggie-shakes with herbs, as

> well as herb bread.  I'd like to hear from someone out there who acutally

> has one.  The juicers that extract the pulp are extracting the FIBER from

> the fruit, as  well as many vitamins (at least that's my impression), and

> I think that it's important to get the whole food as much as possible.

> I'm wondering how the vitamix is for grinding grain, and for making

> culinary herb sauces such as pesto.

>

>

> ....s

>

> My feelings and opinions--don't blame L-Soft

>

> Susan Lowell

> Communications and Marketing Coordinator

> L-Soft, international, Inc.

> susan@lsoft.com

> --We license authentic LISTSERV(TM)

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:31:11 +0500

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From:         "Charles L. Rudd" <clr@DUNYO.TASHKENT.SU>

Organization: Dunyo

Subject:      Ziziphora pedicellata

Comments: To: Phytopharmacognosy@mailbase.ac.uk

Comments: cc: aromatherapy-l@netcom.com, HOLISTIC%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu



04 Oct 95 ref 5100402



Subject: Ziziphora pedicellata



Many thanks to all who have tried to help me find more info about this herb.

Unfortunately we have been unable to get any data of substance about this herb

and its ancient uses. Our local laboratory analysed a sample of essential oil

extracted from this year's crop. Maybe the chemical characteristics will help

someone out there give us suggestions on how to utilize this oil.  Typical

yeilds of oil from above ground plant averages 1.0 %. Some recent batches of

plant material yeilded up to 2.5%.



Analysis by gas chromatogaphy using calibration standards supplied by

Sigma Chemical



    Compound                             %

1. Alpha-pinene                        1.54

2. Camphorene                          0.39

3. Myrcene                             1.71

4. Limonene                            0.66

5. Alpha-terpinene+cineole             1.97

6. Unknown                             0.20

7. Terpinolene                         0.53

8. Menthone                            9.20

9. Iso-Menthone                       23.26

10. Neomenthol                         0.49

11. Pulegone                          60.05



Any additional information about this species or related subspecies will be

welcomed.



Regards,

---

Charles L. Rudd <clr@dunyo.tashkent.su>

Interconcepts Incorporated (USA)  Fax: 7 3712 56-6180

Central Asian Research Center     Tel: 7 3712 39-1302, 39-1453

Ul. Shpilkova 5 Tashkent 700031 Uzbekistan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:23:09 +0100

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From:         Lise Andersen <lise@MEDCHEM.DFH.DK>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Coffee



>-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

>

>Hello to all-

>

>I have been told that coffee (which is an herb also, or is it?) will

>cancel out the effectiveness of herbs used for medicinal purposes.  Is

>this true?  Does it make a difference if it is regular coffee, decaf,

>or not at all?

>

>TIA for any replies,

>

>Kim Mayrose

>**********************************************

>Happiness is not having what you want

>Happiness is wanting what you have

>**********************************************





Coffee consists of the seeds of Coffea arabica and other species of Coffea.

It contains caffeine (1-3%) and some other compounds.

Caffeine is the compound responsibel for you to "wake up" when you drink

"normal" coffee. Caffeine also increses the heart rate a bit and have some

other effects on your body. I need to now for what medicinal purposes

before I can answer your question.

Decaf means no caffein.



Lise Andersen

lise@medchem.dfh.dk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:46:40 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: sleeping aids needed



Recent stress may have alot to do with a sleep disorder arising, where there

was none before.  Meditation, or other relaxation techniques, or even

something as simple as reading a good book in bed at night, may help to

induce wakeless sleep.  Also, check the intake of caffeine, alcohol, and

other stimulants.  But, if the situation continues, employing valerian root

extract is the best, and safest course of treatment.



Valerian has been used for more than 1,000 years to treat insomnia, anxiety,

and migraine.  Recent studies have shown that valerian has the ability to

balance the nervous system, relieve tension, and to induce sleep while

reducing the occurance of periodic awakenings, and without producing

grogginess in the morning.  The usual dosage is 150 to 300 mg. of the

standardized ectraxt (to 0.8% valerenic acids) about 45 minutes before

retiring to bed.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:49:05 -0400

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From:         "Lee M. Williams..." <UtterGore@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fennel seeds



I know of a natural breathspray that reduces cravings for sweets and snacks.

 It is citrus flavored and can be used as a breath freshener that helps curb

your appetite!  It is available through an online herb distributor at

http://www.herbn.com.  The site is called Herb'n Outfitters and I'm one of

the herbalists who enjoys answering questions and suggesting healthy

alternatives for browsers.  If you have any other questions please don't

hesitate to contact me.        Enjoy!  Katherine



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:54:25 EDT

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From:         Study Abroad Advisor <Catherine.Marquardt@EMICH.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Coffee



Decaf does have some caffeine.  People who are sensitive to caffeine

can feel the effects.  I don't have specific sources to site off-hand;

but I have read this in a number of journals, and I just heard it

again from an M.D. practicing mind/body alternative healing interviewed on

Fresh Air yesterday who wrote a book called "Spontaneous Healing".



Catherine Marquardt



Catherine.Marquardt@emich.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:11:54 PDT

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From:         Karl Hancock <karlhank@XMISSION.COM>

Subject:      Folic Acid & Heart Disease



This came across a news feed, so, for your information:



        VITAMINS-HEART

        CHICAGO (AP) -- The vitamin folic acid appears so valuable in

preventing heart disease that clinical trials are urgently needed

to confirm its life-saving potential, say researchers who analyzed

38 previous studies. Folic acid, also called folate, reduces levels

of an amino acid in the blood called homocysteine. Elevated levels

of homocysteine are believed to damage the lining of blood-vessel

walls, the researchers said. The analysis found a higher risk of

heart disease, blood-vessel disease and strokes among people with

higher homocysteine levels. It also found higher levels of folic

acid in the diet were associated with lower levels of homocysteine

in the blood.

-----------------------------------------

Karl

Nature's Source



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:27:49 -0600

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From:         "Diane E. Emery" <emery@BCM.TMC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



As a microbiologist, I must say, I _think_ the best thing to do is let it

run it's course but one thing I highly recomend is electrolyte replacement

(food poisoning yields dehydration wich results in electrolyte imbalance.)

Things like Pediolyte in the baby section of the grocery store work well or

just make up some salt/sugar water and drink that.



Diane



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:27:40 -0700

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Mugwort

In-Reply-To:  <951003104222_115132976@mail02.mail.aol.com>



On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Dale Kemery wrote:



> Does anyone know where I can get more information/sources for mugwort (a

> close relative of absinthe/wormwood) as a dream potentiator?

>

There's quite a bit of info out there about this topic, probably

recently dicussed on this list as well. I've used it to induce more vivid

dreaming for years and have seen strong effects in many people. Some

people have been known to wake up im the night cursing loudly and toss

the pillow across the room, they were dreaming so vividly. A bundle of it

hanging near your head at night works as well  as a pillow of the cut and

sifted stuff available in stores. It's also useful as an incense or in

incense blends before any divinatory work such as tarot, rune reading

etc. Just take a small amount of the dried herb and toss it on top of a wood

stove or on a small charcoal disc that's been lit (available in magic

stores or sometimes in catholic supply stores). Mostly I'd reccomend

simply getting some and trying it out for yourself. I've heard alot of

stories over the years from students who've used it. Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:10:50 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: cranberry juice



I believe a source for this information is Balch's book on Nutritional

Healing. I'd have to check for sure. The information I have read is that

Sugar laced cranberry juice is counter to producing the desired effect.

I used non-sweetened cranberry juice concentrate from Knudsen for my

cyctitis as prescribed by my doctor. I've had 3 doctors recommend

cranberry juice to me for bladder infection and kidney stones.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:14:06 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Fennel seeds

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951004084905_115882550@mail02.mail.aol.com> on 10/4/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I know of a natural breathspray that reduces cravings for sweets and

snacks.

:  It is citrus flavored and can be used as a breath freshener that helps

curb

: your appetite!  It is available through an online herb distributor at

: http://www.herbn.com.  The site is called Herb'n Outfitters and I'm one of

: the herbalists who enjoys answering questions and suggesting healthy

: alternatives for browsers.  If you have any other questions please don't

: hesitate to contact me.        Enjoy!  Katherine



Salesperson, you mean. I really dislike getting ads in my mailbox.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:14:49 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <013.02296861.SCAY54A@prodigy.com> on 10/3/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I would like to know if there are herbs that can be taken if one has

: food poisoning. Or would it be preferable NOT to try and prevent the

: symptoms of food poisoning (such as vomiting and diarrhea), but to just

: let it get out of one's system?

:

: Thanks!



Absolutely the latter! The proper treatment for food poisoning is evacuation

therapy, by either end. Your body is already performing this treatment by the

time you realise you've got a problem.



You should also consider supporting the stomach with warm broths and perhaps

some ginger tea to even out the convulsions.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:14:27 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: sleeping aids needed

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951004084640_115881435@emout06.mail.aol.com> on 10/4/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: But, if the situation continues, employing valerian root

: extract is the best, and safest course of treatment.



Plain old untrue. Valerian root is a Warm herbal, and will exacerbate many

stressed-out states where Heat is accumulating. Indeed, frequent waking is

often just such a case.The whole point is that the cause is NOT valerian

deficiency, and that lifestyle MUST be addressed. Everyone seems to think

that lifestyle just happens to you and you medicate it if you must. But if

you get ill from your lifestyle (and insommnia IS an illness), then you need

to suffer some to reconsider your ways. To rush in to medicate is very

short-term thinking. Usually, people who get into these ruts are not simply

caught in a temporary pattern. They are off on a long shot, and need to

seriously readdress their real goals in life.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:18:03 -0700

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From:         Paul Bergner <bergner@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?

In-Reply-To:  <013.02296861.SCAY54A@prodigy.com> from "KIM MAYROSE" at Oct 3,

              95 03:50:21 pm



>

> -- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

>

> Hello Herb Friends-

>

> I would like to know if there are herbs that can be taken if one has

> food poisoning. Or would it be preferable NOT to try and prevent the

> symptoms of food poisoning (such as vomiting and diarrhea), but to just

> let it get out of one's system?



Try simmering a half-thumb-sized peice of ginger, chopped, in a quart of

water. Then add three cloves (cloves -not- bulbs) of blended garlic, and

immediately remove from the heat. Sip it until you've drunk half of it.

Save the other half for 3-4 hours later. If the poisoning persists, if

there's any blood involved, or there are any neurological symptoms, such

as headache, tingling or creeping sensations, hot-cold confusion on the

skin, headache, get thee to a doctor posthaste.



Paul Bergner

Editor

Medical Herbalism



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:17:45 -0500

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From:         Barbara Howser <HOWSER@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>

Subject:      thanks for help re: pre-surgery herb



Thanks to all of you who responded to my querry regarding what my Mom could take as a tea, etc. in the way of herbs in preparation for hip replacement surgery.  I bought her Burdock tea and psyillium powder and will be mailing it this week.I am very much interested in herbs and read practically everything on herbs I see.  There is so much to learn.  You all seem to know so much.  I am sure most of you must be professional herbalists with an academic degree in biochemistry, whlistic medicine.



Barbara R. Howser

University of Texas at Arlington

Libraries

Science/Engineering/Maps Cataloger

Arlington, Texas 76019



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:40:37 -0400

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From:         Cunegonde@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: Ear candles



>Does anyone know how to make ear candles? We use many of >them and would

like to make them ourselves. Thanks.



Carefully using a Q-Tip, collect wax from all the friends, relatives, pets,

and domestic livestock who are willing to participate.  Use a fresh Q-Tip for

each contributor.  Repeat this procedure twice a week for four or five years

to accumulate wax sufficient for a dozen candles.  Soften the wax over low

heat in a sauce pan, mold into the desired size and shape around a good

quality wick, and allow to cool at room temperature.



/c



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:04:11 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Vita-mix



I have used both kinds of juicers. The vita mix is good but highly overpriced

and somewhat overrated. It may be that I haven't explored all its possibilitiews.

Some people really love them. To me its a large blender.

The extracting juicers have a place in fasting diets. The extracted pulp

can be used in cooking. It makes a good carrot cake etc. So nothing needs

to be lost. Everything can be used. Very few vitamins or minerals are lost

in the process. I personally prefer this type.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 13:41:26 -0800

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From:         Mark Rothenberg <rothenmr@SCE.COM>

Subject:      Herbs For Food Poisoning?



I would check with a doctor before diagnosing oneself with food poisoning.

At that point once you have been told you are not going to die in the next

few hours there are several homeopathic remedies that can be at goo health

food stores

Mark from Alhambra, CA



>-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

>

>Hello Herb Friends-

>

>I would like to know if there are herbs that can be taken if one has

>food poisoning. Or would it be preferable NOT to try and prevent the

>symptoms of food poisoning (such as vomiting and diarrhea), but to just

>let it get out of one's system?

>

>Thanks!

>

>Kim Mayrose

>*********************************************

>Happiness is not having what you want

>Happiness is wanting what you have

>*********************************************

>

>



Mark Rothenberg

rothenmr@sce.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:02:11 -0500

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From:         Liz Vose <liz@ERVOSE.MV.COM>

Subject:      Re: Vita-mix



Hi,



I have a vitamix.  It really does do all the things the company claims it

can do.  I can bring tomatoes in from the garden, wash them, and throw them

into the vitamix and grind the skins and all up instantly.  I can even let

them keep grinding until the blunt blades cause them to heat until they are

really hot.  The reason why I don't do this alot is because the machine

does make much noise.  Anyways, then the tomatoes can be poured into

containers and frozen without making any mess.  It is quick and easy and

one can add any seasonings and herbs desired.  Some foods taste really

cruddy with the skins left on, but others are better.  Just make sure you

take out things like apple seeds which are poisonous.



Liz in Maine



>I've been interested in the vita-mix, but haven't actually gotten to talk

>with someone who owns one.  I have several herbs growing in my yard, and

>would like to be able to make tonics and veggie-shakes with herbs, as

>well as herb bread.  I'd like to hear from someone out there who acutally

>has one.  The juicers that extract the pulp are extracting the FIBER from

>the fruit, as  well as many vitamins (at least that's my impression), and

>I think that it's important to get the whole food as much as possible.

>I'm wondering how the vitamix is for grinding grain, and for making

>culinary herb sauces such as pesto.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:58:22 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "F. Alex Hamill.User." <Leaflight@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: ear candles



I have always been curious as to what exactly ear candles are?  Please could

someone explain the use and form?



Thank you~!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:07:07 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Joanna Bartlett <joannab@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Re; Chromium Picolinate

In-Reply-To:  <9510021842.AA35543@sce.com>



there are also some "chromium picolinate" products with  other things in

them, such as lecithin,,,



Sil



<smile>



On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Mark Rothenberg wrote:



> There are products in the stores that state they are Chromium or are for

> wait loss.  Make sure the product your sister is taking is Chromium

> Picolinate, and not a false Chromium P.  She may also want to switch brands

> of Chromium Picolinate and see if the hives occur.  The brand may contain a

> different or the correct source.

>

> Mark from Alhambra, CA

>

> >Interesting that Chromium Picolinate should come up in disscussion now. My

> >sister has been taking this for wieght loss and has just asked me to ask on

> >the list if any one has had the side effects that she has. About eight

> >hours after taking it, if she exersises or gets her heart rate up doing any

> >thing, she gets hives down her hips and thighs. She stopped taking it and

> >the hives stopped. She has been off for ten days and is now going to start

> >agian to see if the hives occure again. She doesn't " do herbs " so we

> >don't think it's a bad combination of chemicals. Perhaps it's a combination

> >of something she eats?

> >                                        Thanks

> >                                                Alison

>

> Mark Rothenberg

> rothenmr@sce.com

>

=========================================================================

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:09:25 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Mugwort



on 10/04 Dale asked:

>Does anyone know where I can get more information/sources >for mugwort...as

a dream potentiator?



Try posting a query to Howie Brounstein  (a.k.a. Columbines & Wizardy Herbs)

on this list, or to his personal email address:  Howie@Teleport.com.  He's a

recognized expert - not only on the subject of Artemesias themselves,

including rare, fragrant, elusive & beautiful endangered species - but on

dream effects as well.  What more could you ask?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:09:29 -0400

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: chromium picolinate??



Lise - thanks much for your clarifying response to the whole muddled

picolinate discussion.  IF picolinate is just another name for Niacin, well,

that clears up everything!  Gee whiz, I've been taking it for years w/no

problems whatsover, au contraire. Sometimes its good to know what something's

REAL NAME is (i.e., the name we recognize). So it makes total sense that Ann

Joy reported experiencing:

>a burning, itching sensation on my face and neck. it hurt >greatly..lasted

about 4 hours...I could not attribute it to >anything else but the chromium.

Yah -Niacin does that.  Causes little capilaries all over your body to really

dialate - and that makes the skin red, and it itches!  Wow - hop and dance

about, breath deeply, think calm thoughts and apply icecubes till the itching

goes away!  Its scary when you get external symptoms like that and you don't

know what's going on.  But when you understand its just lazy, unused

capilaries being filled w/blood & feeling momentarily, alive, you can relate

w/greater tolerance to your red itchies.  Niacin (or niacinamide) therapy has

been used for the elderly to get little capilaries in the brain opened up

again - reportedly improves memory.  Has also been used for years in drug and

alcohol withdrawal therapy to smooth transitions & reduce cravings.  Its good

stuff.  Therapeutic doses may be up to 1G several times a day, but for

everyday use, even up to 500 mg/day shouldnt hurt anyone - but gosh, have

pity.  Don't take it on an empty stomach or dumb stuff like that.

   So here's my question:  IF chromium picolinate is just a semantic

alternate for niacin (Vit B-3), then why does the dose on my picolinate

bottle read only a miniscule 200 mcg? And why does the lable on the expensive

Healthfad Store bottle NOT indicate this is Vit B-3?  Are we talking about

the same stuff?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:20:54 -0700

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From:         Phoenix <skeevers@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: sleeping aids needed

In-Reply-To:  <950928002338_111248646@mail02.mail.aol.com>



On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, F. Alex Hamill.User. wrote:



> And BE CAREFUL WITH SKULLCAP!



If you know some circumstances under which skullcap should not be taken,

would you share them with the rest of us?  I use it occasionally, and if

there are some things it shouldn't be taken with, or conditions under

which it is dangerous, I'd certainly like to know...



Bon                                             skeevers@netcom.com

|)(|



                        Dying is easy

                        It's living that scares me

                           --Annie Lennox



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:55:47 EDT

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From:         charles ferris <ferrisw@VORTEX.ITHACA.NY.US>

Organization: The Total Perspective Vortex BBS, Ithaca, NY

Subject:      dandruff



I agree with P_iannone@pop.com,

calling dandruff a fungus is generally wrong.  I can be a reslt of many

things, but generaly not a fungus.



--

charles ferris - ferrisw@vortex.ithaca.ny.us

The Total Perspective Vortex BBS, Ithaca, NY



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:52:45 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Mugwort



I'll post some class notes about mugwort .... and perhaps spark some debate.



Definitely ethnocentric notes:



Compositae Herbaceous Artemisia sp.



Common Names: Mugwort, Sagewort, Wormwood



Identification: A composite with a light colored fuzzy pubescence that sticks out among other plants. If you compare small plants, you might confuse a fuzzy Antennaria or Oregon Sunshine, Eriophyllum, for the Artemisia, but the Artemisia will grow much taller. If you're in an area where one species of Mugwort grows, it's easy to identify Mugworts. If you're in an area like the Northwest, there are many species of Mugwort that are difficult at best to correctly identify. The leaf shapes are highly variable, and in any given stand you can find a stem that will key out to a completely wrong Artemisia. If you do try to key these plants out, look at the whole stand of plants when they are in full bloom and take the average characteristics. Do not use new growth or fall vegetative growth, as these will be atypical. You will need to use certain ecological characteristics, like growing below the high water mark. Many times a chromosome count is the only way to be sure of the exact species.



Habitat: Most Mugworts grow in riparian areas throughout the Northwest, at varied elevations. They are usually a sign of water. I have seen Mugworts in dry waterless hills in Southern California, and followed them up to a secret spring full of archeological treasures.



Associated Plants: On rivers, the usual riparian species.



Tending the Stand: If you harvest perennial Mugworts with rhizomes, no tending should be necessary.



Harvesting: Harvest aboveground parts. The oil content drops drastically when flowering, but it will still smell strongly, so use your own judgment. Harvest aboveground parts. If you are using the herb for aroma only, notice the brown, dried up leaves on the lower stem still smells fine, and can be used. If you are planning to use the Mugwort internally, you may wish to discard these.



Processing: For dreams or smudging, just bundle and hang near your usual dreaming location. The dried leaves can be hand rubbed to a nice "owl pellet" consistency for dream pillows. Tincture fresh, or dry for oil and tea.



Uses: Mugwort is used to promote lucid dreaming. It may cause nightmares or restless dreams. Some say it causes a specific type of dream, but I believe it depends on the stage of dreaming the dreamer is capable of at the time. It may require completely inundating yourself with its essence for a prolonged period. If you do use it as a smudge, remember that its smoke smells more like Marijuana than most other plants. It is inadvisable to smudge your car with it.



Mugwort smells good and has a volatile oil, making it a useful aromatic bitter for general stomach upset, flatulence, indigestion, etc.



Mugwort, the mug plant, was used for brewing beer before the use of hops. We tried a good dark stout Mugwort beer on some of our trips.



It is possible to use Mugwort for worms, but I feel it would be better to stick with the true Wormwood, Artemisia absinthium, or other effective antiparasitics.



Wormwood has been used as an emmenagogue.  It is used in as a warming tonic to increase uterine circulation, with a clearing effect on many clogged uterine conditions. This makes it more than a simple emmenagogue. This plant should not be used during pregnancy.



Related Plants: Artemisia tridentata and other shrubby Artemisias are the ubiquitous Sagebrushes of the desert regions. Artemisia absinthium is Wormwood, used for worms and the illegal narcotic alcoholic beverage, Absinthe. Artemisia dranunculus is Dragon Sagewort, commonly known as the spice Tarragon. It has a a green leaf with no shine or pubescence. There is a threatened Artemisia that grows on the Deschutes River (that's in Oregon).





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 00:23:51 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      More Mugwort



At 09:27 AM 10/4/95 -0700, you wrote:

>On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Dale Kemery wrote:

>

>> Does anyone know where I can get more information/sources for mugwort (a

>> close relative of absinthe/wormwood) as a dream potentiator?



Mugwort is a very interesting plant deep in historical references. It is often said to promote prophetic dreams. I don't find this to be true all the time. It seems to me that Mugwort intensifies the dreaming process. It all depends on where you are in this process.



If you don't dream, Mugwort will help you to dream, but you may not remember them. If you don't remember your dreams Mugwort will help you to remember them. If you remember your dreams, Mugwort will help you to have conscious dreams. Conscious dreams are dreams where you are aware that you are dreaming and in full control of the situation. If you are consciously dreaming already, the plant will increase the frequency and control.



None of this implies that the dreams will be pleasant. Some people don't remember their dreams for a reason. Mugwort can cause nightmares and restless dreams leading to lack of sleep or poor quality of sleep. I know of an essential oil company that puts a warning on their Artemisia oil: Caution, may cause nightmares.



Certainly, Mugwort can lead to prophetic dreams if that is what you are into. I do not prefer that course of dream work. It is all up to you. One of my long term students feels that Mugwort is the most reality altering of all the psychotropics he's tried.



Colette says:

>I've heard alot of

>stories over the years from students who've used it.

Hey Colette:



Details, we want details  ...... welcome back to the list!

>

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Howie B

C&W Herbs, Inc.

Eugene, Or USA



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:09:13 +0100

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From:         Nguyen Christophe <nguyen@ENSAIA.U-NANCY.FR>

Subject:      Chineese tea



I have recently bought infusion sold as Chineese tea which is suppose to

ensure  fitness and youth. It doesn't taste like tea and composition is

clearly kept as a secret by Chineese culture ( or commercial managers ?).

As I like to know what I drink, I wish I could find someone who has heard

about it and who could tell me more about the ingredients.



                Thanks in advance.

                                  Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 00:33:17 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Vita-mix



Vita-mixes can powder dried cut Oregon Grape Root. Pretty impressive. Oregon

Grape has been the cause of the total destruction of many a blender. Of

course there's always a hammermill, or a chipper/shredder, but for the

personal use amounts ... it's the Vita-mix.



*****************************************************************************

Howie B

C&W Herbs, Inc.

Eugene, Or USA



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 01:06:03 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Mugwort



At 08:09 PM 10/4/95 -0400, you wrote:

>on 10/04 Dale asked:

>>Does anyone know where I can get more information/sources >for mugwort...as

>a dream potentiator?

>

>Try posting a query to Howie Brounstein  (a.k.a. Columbines & Wizardy Herbs)

>on this list, or to his personal email address:  Howie@Teleport.com.  He's a

>recognized expert - not only on the subject of Artemesias themselves,

>including rare, fragrant, elusive & beautiful endangered species - but on

>dream effects as well.  What more could you ask?



Gee, Claudette, you make me blush. But I heard that Christopher Hedley was

an recognised expert ......



His notes are at



FTP://ftp.crl.com/users/ro/robbee/Herb/herb-files/mugwort.txt



also accessable through herbal hall.



But perhaps we can ask him kindly  with a nudge and perhaps a bit of old

english (it's easy, just say please post the notes with some marbles in your

mouth), and he'll maybe post these notes to the list.



And certainly Paul will be glad to throw in some of his expertise, too.



Seems there is a wealth of expertise on this list, many busy lurkers just

monitering.



Of course, perhaps I'm just dreaming.



Howie

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Howie B

C&W Herbs, Inc.

Eugene, Or USA



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:15:38 +0100

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From:         Lise Andersen <lise@MEDCHEM.DFH.DK>

Subject:      Re: chromium picolinate??



>Lise - thanks much for your clarifying response to the whole muddled

>picolinate discussion.  IF picolinate is just another name for Niacin, well,

>that clears up everything!  Gee whiz, I've been taking it for years w/no

>problems whatsover, au contraire. Sometimes its good to know what something's

>REAL NAME is (i.e., the name we recognize). So it makes total sense that Ann

>Joy reported experiencing:

>>a burning, itching sensation on my face and neck. it hurt >greatly..lasted

>about 4 hours...I could not attribute it to >anything else but the chromium.

>Yah -Niacin does that.  Causes little capilaries all over your body to really

>dialate - and that makes the skin red, and it itches!  Wow - hop and dance

>about, breath deeply, think calm thoughts and apply icecubes till the itching

>goes away!  Its scary when you get external symptoms like that and you don't

>know what's going on.  But when you understand its just lazy, unused

>capilaries being filled w/blood & feeling momentarily, alive, you can relate

>w/greater tolerance to your red itchies.  Niacin (or niacinamide) therapy has

>been used for the elderly to get little capilaries in the brain opened up

>again - reportedly improves memory.  Has also been used for years in drug and

>alcohol withdrawal therapy to smooth transitions & reduce cravings.  Its good

>stuff.  Therapeutic doses may be up to 1G several times a day, but for

>everyday use, even up to 500 mg/day shouldnt hurt anyone - but gosh, have

>pity.  Don't take it on an empty stomach or dumb stuff like that.

>   So here's my question:  IF chromium picolinate is just a semantic

>alternate for niacin (Vit B-3), then why does the dose on my picolinate

>bottle read only a miniscule 200 mcg? And why does the lable on the expensive

>Healthfad Store bottle NOT indicate this is Vit B-3?  Are we talking about

>the same stuff?



Hey Claudette - it is my experience that health stores will do anything to

make it look fancy, and thereby make the price come higher. Well chromium

is a metal that can only be toleratet in small amounts. It confused my to

see chromium with picolinat - I have never been that combination in a

danish Pharmacy.

3-picolinat is listet as Niacin in catalogues for chemicals that you can order.



Lise Andersen

lise@medchem.dfh.dk



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Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 00:08:52 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Coffee



At 03:50 PM 10/3/95 EDT, you wrote:

>-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

>

>Hello to all-

>

>I have been told that coffee (which is an herb also, or is it?) will

>cancel out the effectiveness of herbs used for medicinal purposes.  Is

>this true?  Does it make a difference if it is regular coffee, decaf,

>or not at all?



Kim,



Certainly the stimulant caffeine in coffee would cancel out or at least work

against a "calming" type herb such as skullcap. But, perhaps you have been

told this because all the types of coffee contain tannins, tannic acid, and

such that bind with other chemicals, rendering them useless to the body, and

they pass through the GI tract. Ever heard of the coffe enema? or am I

showing my age. Binds with the crap in your lower GI tract. :) So coffee

shouldn't be drunk with the herb capsules. Or food for that matter. In fact,

coffee can cause poor absorbtion of pharmaceutical chemicals, too.



But lets face it, coffee is not a very healthful substance, and will help to

counteract any healthful thing you do for yourself. Moderation, sigh.



Coffee was my drug of choice for many years, and is still one of my vices

and my major unhealthy habit. But then welcome to the human race.



So the tannins ... are they bad. Not nessessarily. Tannins can be used to

bind with poisons in the stomach (first aid for some poisoning), for drawing

out infection externally (poultice), for sunburn (the tannins bind with the

broken protein layer of the skin forming tanneo-proteins or was it

proteo-tannins, forming a "band-aid" on the burn. Excellent.) Most plant

astringents are tannins.



Smiles, and the waters boiling,



Howie "Mr. Latte" B

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Howie B

C&W Herbs, Inc.

Eugene, Or USA



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:25:32 +0100

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From:         Lise Andersen <lise@MEDCHEM.DFH.DK>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



>As a microbiologist, I must say, I _think_ the best thing to do is let it

>run it's course but one thing I highly recomend is electrolyte replacement

>(food poisoning yields dehydration wich results in electrolyte imbalance.)

>Things like Pediolyte in the baby section of the grocery store work well or

>just make up some salt/sugar water and drink that.

>

>Diane





I think your right, but depending on what kind of food poisoning. If your

are getting fever and servere kinds of symptoms your should seek medical

help.

I say this as a pharmacist.



Lise Andersen



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:27:43 +0100

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From:         Lise Andersen <lise@MEDCHEM.DFH.DK>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Coffee



>At 03:50 PM 10/3/95 EDT, you wrote:

>>-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

>>

>>Hello to all-

>>

>>I have been told that coffee (which is an herb also, or is it?) will

>>cancel out the effectiveness of herbs used for medicinal purposes.  Is

>>this true?  Does it make a difference if it is regular coffee, decaf,

>>or not at all?

>>

>

>

>Kim,

>

>Certainly the stimulant caffeine in coffee would cancel out or at least work

>against a "calming" type herb such as skullcap. But, perhaps you have been

>told this because all the types of coffee contain tannins, tannic acid, and

>such that bind with other chemicals, rendering them useless to the body, and

>they pass through the GI tract. Ever heard of the coffe enema? or am I

>showing my age. Binds with the crap in your lower GI tract. :) So coffee

>shouldn't be drunk with the herb capsules. Or food for that matter. In fact,

>coffee can cause poor absorbtion of pharmaceutical chemicals, too.

>

>But lets face it, coffee is not a very healthful substance, and will help to

>counteract any healthful thing you do for yourself. Moderation, sigh.

>

>Coffee was my drug of choice for many years, and is still one of my vices

>and my major unhealthy habit. But then welcome to the human race.

>

>So the tannins ... are they bad. Not nessessarily. Tannins can be used to

>bind with poisons in the stomach (first aid for some poisoning), for drawing

>out infection externally (poultice), for sunburn (the tannins bind with the

>broken protein layer of the skin forming tanneo-proteins or was it

>proteo-tannins, forming a "band-aid" on the burn. Excellent.) Most plant

>astringents are tannins.

>

>

>Smiles, and the waters boiling,

>

>Howie "Mr. Latte" B

>*****************************************************************************

>Howie B

>C&W Herbs, Inc.

>Eugene, Or USA

>

>"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

>*****************************************************************************



Howie - how can can you tell something so wrong, you make it apear that

coffee is a drug and something bad.

It is obvious that if your having sleeping problems - then don't drink

coffee, tea, cacao or cola just before your going to bed.

Coffee enema?? is this your own envention??? I have read that herbs

containing 57-77% tannins have been used for haemorrhoids i China, becouse

of their astringent action. Tannins are found in many plant families.

Coffee when prepared, contains only very littel tannin.

Tea contains 10-24% tannins - and if there are 24 % tannins your would say

that it was a bad/cheap tea.



Lise Andersen



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Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 05:38:42 -0500

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From:         dwhite <dwhite@IO.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



Has anyone had any experience with activated charcoal?  A co-worker told me

this was a common remedy in Europe and that it "absorbed toxins"  Though as

another microbiologist I'm inclined to say that just letting it run it's

course is for the best.



Dana



>>As a microbiologist, I must say, I _think_ the best thing to do is let it

>>run it's course but one thing I highly recomend is electrolyte replacement

>>(food poisoning yields dehydration wich results in electrolyte imbalance.)

>>Things like Pediolyte in the baby section of the grocery store work well or

>>just make up some salt/sugar water and drink that.

>>

>>Diane

>

>

>I think your right, but depending on what kind of food poisoning. If your

>are getting fever and servere kinds of symptoms your should seek medical

>help.

>I say this as a pharmacist.

>

>Lise Andersen

>

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:15:16 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: sleeping aids needed



Scullcap (S. lateriflora and S. baicalensis) is reported to cause dizziness

and disorientation if taken in very large doses.  Other than that I can find

no evidence of this herb being specifically toxic, although there is concern

that many wholesalers are in the habit of substituting S. lateriflora with

germander.  Scullcap, and Chinese Scullcap, have enjoyed a long reputation as

a sedative, and an anti-inflammatory properties. It is considered safe at

therapeutic levels for arthritis and asthma.  As with anything else, if it's

questionable, consult a reputable N.D.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:36:38 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Vita-mix - Reply



Been enjoying your contributions, esp. about mugwort.  In your experience,

is valerian the best herbal for insomnia?



Am curious - what use is OR grape root?  Why would you want to pulverize

it?



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Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:58:16 -0500

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From:         Jessica Lynn White <jlwhite@ARTSCI.WUSTL.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Coffee

In-Reply-To:  <199510050708.AAA26209@desiree.teleport.com>



I would like to discuss with "Mr. Latte" about the healthfulness of

coffee :)

        --just recently, I saw a report on 20/20 that basically said that

if coffee (rather than drinking or smoking, etc.) is yyour onl vice, then

you are leading a prett good life. As far as I know, coffee has been

given a bad rap. Yes, if you drink cups upon cups upon cups a day, you

will have a slight problem--all that caffeine will not allow you to sleep

and you will be edgy--IN SOME PEOPLE. I work at a coffee shop, and I can

drink 2 or three lattes a night, AND eat those wonderful chocolate

covered espresso beans, and still sleep very, very well. I guess I really

threw my system last year, and since then, caffeine does not really

affect me like it used to (BTW--can anyone recommend a tea that is good

for keeping someone awake--and herbal one, w/o caffeine--does that exist?)

        Yet, I digress....(sorry, it is early). I think that if you are a

heavy coffee drinker, then decaf is best just to keep moods in check, but

as for moderation, yeah, alright, so the saying goes, that is best. But,

I continue to sip continuously on cuppucino, lattes, and mochas.



        This has only been my opinion ;)!!!!  what do others think? What

about that 20/20 report??



Jessica "it is way too early in the morning, get me a coffee!!" White



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Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:20:01 -0400

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From:         Indigenous Languages Project <IndLangPrj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Q: Any Problem Distributing Herbs, Etc.?



Hi People,



I make a lot of stuff from the plants that I can gather easily

(and not-so-easily) near the place I live.  Since I have a habit

of collecting/making too much of different things, I often share

them with other people.  I have thought about maybe even selling

some as a side business.  Someone told me that the F.D.A. (Food

and Drug Administration) would be *very* interested in my

distribution of my home-made "drugs" as they are called by some.

Has anyone dealt with the legal ramifications of distributing

herbs, mixtures, tinctures, etc.?  Should I worry about the D.E.A.

(Drug Enforcement Agency) kicking down my door in the middle of

the night?  Anybody have any advice about starting such an

enterprise on a small scale?



The nearest medical facilities, drug store, grocery store,

*anything*, is about 50 miles from my house.  I live in a very

remote place, so I thought that local/home-made stuff might be

useful around here, especially since some of the people don't have

cars and need to bum a ride into town occasionally.



Thanks,

Chuck



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Chuck Coker

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:17:57 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Mugwort



>FTP://ftp.crl.com/users/ro/robbee/Herb/herb-files/mugwort.txt



or try



FTP://ftp.crl.com/users/ro/robbee/HERB/Herb-files/mugwort.txt



which will yield results with netscape on a PC. (some machines

want the right case too, not only the right name...)



Having fun

Henriette

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.

    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:32:05 -0400

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From:         "F. Alex Hamill.User." <Leaflight@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Q: Any Problem Distributing Herbs, Etc.?



I think that it's a great thing to try to give to others the excess of your

pursuits, whether they are herbal preparations or food from a garden!  What a

great thing if everyone did it!  But you're right, in a

capitalistic/market/currency environment, 'giving away' things gets a little

more compicated, especially when you're 'giving away' what big businesses are

selling at high prices! (pharmaceuticals, namely, assuming that's what you're

talking about and are worried that the FDA or DEA are going to throw you in

jail.)

I don't want you to take my word for it, but from reading articles in medical

journals like JAMA and New England J of Med, etc, which seem to be calling

for some kind of FDA regulation in the area of herbal preps, it seems that

there is little preventing you from distributing just about anything you

want, except of course CITES (endangered) plants or ones specifically defined

as illegal (marijuana, for example).  The FDA DOES prohibit any medicinal

information on product labels, however, or indications of effects, unless

you've got the time and money to put a product through preclinical and

clinical trials and submit all the NDA's and Pre NDA's to the FDA, etc.  etc.

etc. etc.  Seems like it would be OK to put a preparation in a baggie and

tell the person, "Such and such book says that this is supposed to have some

antibiotic properties if prepared in such and such a way".

I think the main danger is if you accidentally gave someone something that

caused some harm...from allergic reaction to liver or kidney damage (lots of

herbs on the open market are being shown to cause permanent liver or kidney

damage, and there is even a 'pregnancy tea' (I won't name names) that is sold

widely which contains seven plants, three of which have compounds which cause

malformations of the fetus and/or cancer. (See the March/April 1995 Illinois

Quarterly for the article on page 10).

Unfortunately, at this time, neither pharmacists nor physicians are schooled

in the uses and dangers of herbal medicines, so they aren't a good source of

information.

In any case, best of luck!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:17:23 -0500

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From:         Ari Solovyova <asolovyo@INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Horse Chestnuts

In-Reply-To:  <199510051518.AA06950@personal.eunet.fi>



Hi there!



Does anyone know if horse chestnuts can be used as food (baked or otherwise)?



Thanks a lot in advance!



Ari Solovyova



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:14:13 -0600

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From:         "Edward D. Hinckley" <edh@RMII.COM>

Subject:      Re: Q: Any Problem Distributing Herbs, Etc.?



...I think the main danger is if you accidentally gave someone something that

caused some harm...from allergic reaction to liver or kidney damage (lots of

herbs on the open market are being shown to cause permanent liver or kidney

damage, and there is even a 'pregnancy tea' (I won't name names) that is sold

widely which contains seven plants, three of which have compounds which cause malformations of the fetus and/or cancer. (See the March/April 1995 Illinois Quarterly for the article on page 10).

Unfortunately, at this time, neither pharmacists nor physicians are schooled

in the uses and dangers of herbal medicines, so they aren't a good source of

information.

In any case, best of luck!



I'm sure alot of bandwith is going to be taken up on the list asking you for the product and the herbs involved. Let me say that I'm not sure how easy, here in Colorado, it would be to find _Illinois Quarterly_. I know some of our friends in the UK or Finland won't be able to find it! So how about a brief summary, with a list of the herbs involved, for the rest of us. If you are worried about legal ramifications, as long as you clearly attribute the source (which you already have) you are passing on info, _not_ libeling a manufacturer. Besides, with all the differant kinds of expertise around here, it might be fun to see a discussion of the herbs involved.



__

Ed

reengage lurking device....





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:26:38 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Horse Chestnuts - Reply



I boiled one by mistake thinking it was a real chestnut.  It was unbelievably

bitter - I almost gagged.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:51:00 PDT

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From:         Ray Grout <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

Subject:      super blue green algae



Is anyone familiar with super blue green algae?

Does it actually do what it says it is supposed to do? (i.e. energy)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 14:56:43 -0400

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From:         SPACE GHOST <portec%parvax.DNET@SB.COM>

Subject:      horse chesnuts

Comments: To: "herb@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr%INET.DNET"@sb.com



No, don't do it! Horse chesnuts are poisonous and should not be eaten whether

cooked or raw. I don't remember what chemical compound's the culprit, but I

can look it up if you so desire.



Curtis-Michael(portec%parvax.dnet@sb.com)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:22:35 EDT

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From:         Cherie Capps <102617.1353@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Chromium pico



The Aug/Sept issue of Townsend Letter for Doctors reported a news item that

stated that in a study in Chinese hamster ovary cells, Chromium Picolinate was

found to cause signficant chromosome damage at a nontoxic dose, and damage was

dose-dependent.  In the Oct. issue this idea was refuted by two researchers -

the labs actually responsible for developing this form of chromium.  They report

that after repeated and ongoing experience, it is completely safe at normal

doses - 200 mcg daily.  Very excessive doses are required for problems to occur.

Picolinic acid is a normal metabolite of tryptophan and is present in some

foods.  Chromium is reported to effect fat metabolism and is found in brewers

yeast, along with the very important vit. B12, which is shy I add it to my daily

"grean drink" breakfast.

Cherie Capps



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:34:30 EDT

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From:         lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?

In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 5 Oct 1995 05:38:42 -0500 from <dwhite@IO.COM>



RE: activated charcoal.  Charcoal is commonly given to overdose victims

in hospitals.  I'm not sure how it works, but I'm told it absorbs toxins

in the body and allows them to pass through.  Large doses of charcoal

will cause nasty, uncomfortable diarrhea.  I've been told that eating

burnt toast is a good home analog to medicinal charcoal.  My

naturopathic cat book used charcoal tablets as part of a de-worming

procedure.



lesley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:53:09 EDT

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From:         KIM MAYROSE <SCAY54A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --



>You should also consider supporting the stomach with warm broths and

perhaps >some ginger tea to even out the convulsions.



>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



>Try simmering a half-thumb-sized peice of ginger, chopped, in a quart

of water. >Then add three cloves (cloves -not- bulbs) of blended garlic,

and immediately >remove from the heat. Sip it until you've drunk half

of it. Save the other half for 3-4 >hours later. If the poisoning

persists, if there's any blood involved, or there are any >neurological

symptoms, such as headache, tingling or creeping sensations, >hot-cold

confusion on the skin, headache, get thee to a doctor posthaste.



>Paul Bergner

>Editor

>Medical Herbalism



My brother said they were all so miserable, they refused to put

anything else in their stomachs.  Should they have forced themselves to

do so, even if it only made them vomit all the more?  I'm especially

wondering about the garlic since it has such a strong odor.  That may

make one more queasy.  Or maybe used this way it does not?



Thanks again,



Kim Mayrose

West Des Moines, Iowa  USA

*********************************************

Happiness is not having what you want

Happiness is wanting what you have

*********************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:25:57 +0100

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From:         James Morley <jm12kg@LION.RBGKEW.ORG.UK>

Subject:      Re: Horse Chestnuts

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.HPP.3.91.951005121632.10063A-100000@hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu>



On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, Ari Solovyova wrote:



> Does anyone know if horse chestnuts can be used as food (baked or otherwise)?



_Aesculus hippocastanum_ seeds are most definately *not* edible and are

reported by many sources to be poisonous.  However, the saponins it

contains, aesculin being the best known, are poorly absorbed in the

gastro-intestinal tract of healthy humans, and very few cases have been

reported in accidental ingestion that have given any more than mild upset

due to internal irritation on the mucous membrane.  Just to reinforce the

part about being inedible - it has been suggested that repeat exposure

can lead to damage to the gastro-intestinal tract, which itself leads to

greater absorption of the toxin etc. etc.......



Large ingestions have been reported to cause unconciousness and paralysis.



James



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Centre for Economic Botany

Royal Botanic Gardens                    Tel. (0)181 332 5719

Kew, Richmond                            Fax. (0)181 332 5278

Surrey   TW9 3AE

UK                          WWW  http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/ceb

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:28:11 +1000

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: Mugwort



>Does anyone know where I can get more information/sources for mugwort (a

>close relative of absinthe/wormwood) as a dream potentiator?



See Jeanne Rose'Book "Herbs and Things" also Cunningham's books



Michael Bailes.  The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:29:08 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



You should check the ingredients of Pepto-bismol. I think you'll find tha

charcoal is an ingredient. (the main one)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:00:26 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Ear candles



Ho ho ho ho!



>Does anyone know how to make ear candles? We use many of >them and would

like to make them ourselves. Thanks.



Carefully using a Q-Tip, collect wax from all the friends, relatives, pets,

and domestic livestock who are willing to participate.  Use a fresh Q-Tip for

each contributor.  Repeat this procedure twice a week for four or five years

to accumulate wax sufficient for a dozen candles.  Soften the wax over low

heat in a sauce pan, mold into the desired size and shape around a good

quality wick, and allow to cool at room temperature.



Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.

Actually ear the ear candles I refer to are tube shaped waxed straws that

are placed in the ear. One end is lit and it draws wax and stuff out of the

ear.

I did however wonder if I could actually get enough wax to make a candle.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:21:50 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Coffee



Dear Netters:



>Howie - how can can you tell something so wrong, you make it apear that

>coffee is a drug and something bad.



Coffee is an addicting stimulant. There are very few times that this is

actually healthy. Perhaps you are healthy enough to not feel or "shrug off"

the bad effects, but the fact remains ... COFFEE is an ADDICTING STIMULANT.



>It is obvious that if your having sleeping problems - then don't drink

>coffee, tea, cacao or cola just before your going to bed.



I don't have sleeping problems, even when I drank many pots of coffee a day,

I could drink a cup before I went to sleep and still sleep just fine. Now

that I'm down to a few cups a day I can't drink it late.



>Coffee enema?? is this your own envention???



No. I didn't invent that. It was popular a number of years back.



 I have read that herbs

>containing 57-77% tannins have been used for haemorrhoids i China, becouse

>of their astringent action. Tannins are found in many plant families.

>Coffee when prepared, contains only very littel tannin.

>Tea contains 10-24% tannins - and if there are 24 % tannins your would say

>that it was a bad/cheap tea.



Only very little. Ok, but take it from someone who has extracted caffeine

from coffee in a lab, those "very little" tannins are nearly impossible to

remove from the glassware. And even if there is only a little, it still

binds with drugs and foods rendering them unusable.



        --just recently, I saw a report on 20/20 that basically said that

>if coffee (rather than drinking or smoking, etc.) is your only vice, then

>you are leading a pretty good life.



I agree! but that doesn't negate coffee's health risks.



>As far as I know, coffee has been

>given a bad rap. Yes, if you drink cups upon cups upon cups a day, you

>will have a slight problem--all that caffeine will not allow you to sleep

>and you will be edgy--IN SOME PEOPLE.



At first perhaps, but let's look closer at cups and cups a day:



Coffee is a stimulant. Taken every day it is sure to mess up your normal

energy levels.



Coffee acts as a laxative for most folks. Would you take a laxative every

day? How many coffee drinkers need a cup to have a bowel movement.(laxative

dependancy)



Coffee is a diuretic. Would you take a pharmaceutical diuretic every day

when healthy? Coffee dehydrates you, by causing you to pee whether you need

to or not.

Hope you don't have kidney problems to begin with, it could make matters worse.



Coffee irritates you gi tract. Perhaps you don't feel it in moderation, but

long term use definately screws up your digestive tract.



Coffee supresses appitite. Perhaps you are supposed to eat, because your

body needs food. In Any eating disorder, check coffee consumption



In tendonitis, repetitive motion disorders, and even bad muscular sprains,

coffee directly increases the pain of the problem. It tightens up the

muscles and ......



Any sleeping disorders , check coffee consumption.



Stress? Coffee increases your stress levels." I don't feel stress from

coffee," Anybody drinking cups and cups a day will tell you. Ask again after

they've quit. Now stress causes all kinds of dis-ease. The list at this

point grows quickly if you follow this line of thinking.



***************************************************************

Now I don't presume to be  "holier than thou you better quit the evil drug

or die,"  and I drink coffee and smoke cigarretes, and perhaps I need a

daily dose of cathode rays from a computer every day. Coffee is an

acceptable addiction in the United States. Cigarettes are now politically

incorrect. (You can't even smoke outside of some coffee shops). But I hold

firm to the fact that coffee is an addicting stimulant (read that "drug

addiction"). That person who drinks cups and cups a day with little apparant

effects (bet they're young and/or heathy to start with), have them quit cold

turkey and speak to them in a few hours.



Sure one cup won't kill you, moderation, etc. But don't deceive yourself

into thinking this plant is harmless.



Hopes this raises some heated discussion,



*****************************************************************************

Howie B

C&W Herbs, Inc.

Eugene, Or USA



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

*****************************************************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:54:27 -0400

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



In a message dated 95-10-05 09:56:01 EDT, you write:



>A co-worker told me

>this was a common remedy in Europe and that it "absorbed toxins"



Excuse my cynicism, but this is one of the most heavily hyped areas of

so-called "natural remedies," i.e., this substance dispels/expels/absorbs

toxins. Just what toxins are these dark substances? Lead? Copper? Pesticides?

Or? And let's see some hard evidence for it. It strikes me as an area that's

in serious need of a heavy dose of skepticism.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:54:12 -0400

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Mugwort



Howie -



Found your interesting note re: mugwort after posting my last private message

to you. I've been reading about mugwort and found, as you confirmed, that

it's a close relative of the outlawed wormwood, precursor of absinthe.



I've been puzzled by absinthe for a long time. My recent reading has only

intensified my curiosity. Is/was absinthe a true psychedelic beverage? Or

what were/are its effects? For a long time I relied on the traditional

reports about absinthe turning the brain to mush. However, considering the

hysterical disinformation campaign of Howard Anslinger aimed against

marijuana, I've become very suspicious of any official strictures. What *is*

the story about wormwood/absinthe? Where can I learn more?



--Dale--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:49:54 -0400

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: sleeping aids needed



Someone suggested a few nights ago that meditation is a possible remedy for

insomnia. I've battled the problem for some years. Recently I resumed

meditating for reasons of the psyche (peace, insight, understanding,

transformation). Then I realized that I was sleeping soundly all night--an

unexpected side effect. I don't know if it's meditation or something else; I

don't care because meditation has so many positive things to recommend it. A

treatment for insomnia appears to be just one.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:53:53 -0400

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Mugwort



Thanks for the info about Howie and mugwort. I'll check in with him and see

what he has to say.



I've read some interesting things, although I wonder how much of it relates

to the power of suggestion and how much of it has intrinsic value.

Furthermore, after reading something someone posted on this list, I started

wondering whether I really *need* a substance like mugwort; after all, I have

copious dreams on my own.



--Dale--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:52:25 -0400

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From:         Alison Coppola <ACopp90922@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: dandruff



Hi Stephen,



Does the Herbal Advantage have a mailing list?



-Alison



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 22:42:54 -0400

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Tree Fungus?!



Howie -on 10/4 Maureen Rogers from HEALTHWORLD wrote:

>It's called Kombucha and is actually a tree fungus.<



So how come you told me it was pond slime, huh? If I'd had any idea it was a

tree  fungus, I'd have released it into a tree instead of a pond...tho it

beats me how one of those items could possibly hang from a tree, let alone

fend for itself up there in a stiff breeze, particularly without someone

around handing it sweetened tea all the time...?  Boy, when you stop to think

about it, those things are really smart!  How many other entities can you

think of who've been encircling the globe that way for as long as they have,

finding safe, loving homes for their babies and relatives as they go, getting

people not only to house them in the specific temperature range they prefer,

but, & isn't this the creme de la creme of smarts! - make them fresh,

sweetened tea at regular intervals!  I rarely ever figure out how to get

someone to make ME a cup of tea.   But let me say no more - for all we know

there's a Be Kind To Kambucha vigilante group out there monitoring this list!

- and you know how intense the initiated are about their magic mushrooms!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:35:09 -1000

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From:         PC Consultants <twheeler@MAUI.NET>

Subject:      Re: Mugwort



Hi Dale:



>Does anyone know where I can get more information/sources for mugwort (a

>close relative of absinthe/wormwood) as a dream potentiator?



For seeds:



The Thyme Garden

20546 Alsea Hwy

Alser OR  97324

(503) 487-8671



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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <013.02424534.SCAY54A@prodigy.com> on 10/5/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: My brother said they were all so miserable, they refused to put

: anything else in their stomachs.  Should they have forced themselves to

: do so, even if it only made them vomit all the more?  I'm especially

: wondering about the garlic since it has such a strong odor.  That may

: make one more queasy.  Or maybe used this way it does not?



Garlic, imho, is a mistake in microbial food poisoning. Too Hot. Ginger ale

is famous for settling the stomach in such miserable straits. In any case,

following the body's lead here is definitely the right approach. If you don't

want anything, don't take anything (except water, of course).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From:         "F. Moore" <71613.21@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      A Free Newsletter of Interest



Hi, I am Faron Moore, the editor of The Pharmacist's Information Project

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 19:51:08 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: sleeping aids needed



In a message dated 95-10-05 12:09:41 EDT, you write:



>But, if the situation continues, employing valerian root

>: extract is the best, and safest course of treatment.

>

>Plain old untrue. Valerian root is a Warm herbal, and will exacerbate many

>stressed-out states where Heat is accumulating.



Warm Herb?  Where Heat is accumulating?  Does like cure like? What???



>The whole point is that the cause is NOT valerian

deficiency, and that lifestyle MUST be addressed. Everyone seems to think

that lifestyle just happens to you and you medicate it if you must.



You should have quoted my entire message, because you took some of it out of

context.  Did I say the condition was caused by a DEFICIENCY of valerian?

Nonsense; that doesn't make any sense at all!  Nor was I, or would I, attempt

to evaluate the validity of this person's lifestyle. It should go without

saying (which I did anyway in my original response) that lifestyle, stress,

and other factors, should be examined before resorting to medication.



To rush in to medicate is very short-term thinking.



Sigh.  Point already made, except for this:  using valerian to ease off

stress and regain a normal sleep pattern is indeed short-term thinking.  I

wasn't promoting making a long term regimen of it.



Usually, people who get into these ruts are not simply caught in a temporary

pattern.



Are you speaking of insomnia? One in three adults experience some degree of

sleep disorder at some time in their life.  We all can't have a grip on it

all of the time.  Or, were you talking about people who insist their only

recourse is medication?



They are off on a long shot, and need to seriously readdress their real goals

in life.



You know, it's one thing to be opinionated, it's another to attack and judge

other people without basis.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 00:15:15 +0000

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From:         christopher hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      Ear Candles



These are hollow candles.

You stick one end in your ear and light the other end   !

A vacuum is set up which draws wax out of the ear. They do work... better

if the wax has been softened first. Over here they are called Hopi ear

candles, is this just hype ?



A friend of mine has made them by melting beeswax in a shallow pan,

immersing a piece of thin cloth, about 6in by 11/2in, in the melted wax and

then rolling the waxed cloth around any cylindrical oject of about 3/8in

diameter. Oil the object first. Hold in place until the wax starts to set.

The commercial candles have a piece of foil wrapped around one end, so the

flame dosn't burn down too close to the head. They also say they contain

'herbs', you could put a few drops of essential oil in the wax, as in

making scented candles.



PS get someone else to hold the candle. It burns with quite a flame and you

might set fire to your hair... I speak from experience.



Christopher Hedley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 00:14:10 +0000

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From:         christopher hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      Horse Chestnut



 Ari Solovyova wrote;

>Subject:      Horse Chestnuts

>

>Hi there!

>

>Does anyone know if horse chestnuts can be used as food (baked or otherwise)?

>

>Thanks a lot in advance!



Short answer... No,



Horse Chestnuts contain saponins which break up red blood cells. The

tincture may be used for blood stasis, eg. as in varicose veins, at a

reasonable maximum of 15 drops three times daily. Eating them as a food

will greatly exceed that level. Just as well that they are very bitter.

Mind you, my brother used to eat them from time to time when he was a child.



Christopher Hedley



also...  re Artemesia, Howie Bronstein is the expert. It was of great

interest to me that his conclusions about A. and dreaming were the same as

mine, come to independently.

I will dig out my Artemesia file for anyone who can't get it on the ftp site,

private mail might be best.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:32:58 -0600

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From:         "Diane E. Emery" <emery@BCM.TMC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



recomendations snipped

>

>My brother said they were all so miserable, they refused to put

>anything else in their stomachs.  Should they have forced themselves to

>do so, even if it only made them vomit all the more?  I'm especially

>wondering about the garlic since it has such a strong odor.  That may

>make one more queasy.  Or maybe used this way it does not?

>

>Thanks again,

>

>Kim Mayrose

>West Des Moines, Iowa  USA

>*********************************************

>Happiness is not having what you want

>Happiness is wanting what you have

>*********************************************



They NEED Fluids! Even if it is just plain old water, food poisoning

results in dehydration and your body's fluids need to be replaced. If

symptoms dont lessen in a few days, I'd recomend a trip to the doctor. Some

food poisonings DO require the use of antibiotics. By the way, do the know

what the cause of the food poisoning was?



Diane

emery@bcm.tmc.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:53:19 EDT

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From:         KIM MAYROSE <SCAY54A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Coffee



-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --



> Kim,

>

> Certainly the stimulant caffeine in coffee would cancel out or at least

> work against a "calming" type herb such as skullcap. But, perhaps you have

> been told this because all the types of coffee contain tannins, tannic

> acid, and such that bind with other chemicals, rendering them useless to

> the body, and they pass through the GI tract. Ever heard of the coffee

> enema? or am I showing my age. Binds with the crap in your lower GI tract.

> :) So coffee shouldn't be drunk with the herb capsules. Or food for that

> matter. In fact, coffee can cause poor absorbtion of pharmaceutical

> chemicals, too.

>

> But lets face it, coffee is not a very healthful substance, and will help

> to counteract any healthful thing you do for yourself. Moderation, sigh.

>

> Coffee was my drug of choice for many years, and is still one of my vices

> and my major unhealthy habit. But then welcome to the human race.

>

> So the tannins ... are they bad. Not nessessarily. Tannins can be used to

> bind with poisons in the stomach (first aid for some poisoning), for

> drawing out infection externally (poultice), for sunburn (the tannins bind

> with the broken protein layer of the skin forming tanneo-proteins or was

> it proteo-tannins, forming a "band-aid" on the burn. Excellent.) Most

> plant astringents are tannins.

>

> Smiles, and the waters boiling,

>

> Howie "Mr. Latte" B

>

*************************************************************************

> ***

> Howie B

> C&W Herbs, Inc.

> Eugene, Or USA

>

> "It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

>

*************************************************************************



Dear Howie and others that responded,



Coffee is one of my vices too.  I have been drinking decaf most of my

adult life.  In fact, I rarely drink or eat things containing caffeine

as caffeine and I don't get along real well.  I did go for about 2

years only drinking one cup of decaf a month but am now back in the

habit of drinking a few cups each day.  {sigh}



I guess what I really need to know is will coffee cancel out the

effects of taking Echinacea?  I take Echinacea when I feel something

'icky' coming on or know I have been exposed to something.  I also take

herbs to regulate my cycles when I am in the post lactation phase

(which is where I am now).  These herbs include red raspberry leaf,

nettles, black and blue cohosh, wild yam root, etc.  Depending on what

is happening, will determine which herb or combinations of herbs I am

taking on any given day.  Will the tannins create a problem in these

instances?



BTW, I had heard of coffee enemas, so you are not showing your age!  ;-)

  Come to think of it, I remember seeing on one of those news magazine

shows earlier this year, that there is a group of people making big

bucks doing coffee enemas as a 'cure' to cancer.  Anyone else see that?

If so, remarks please.



Thanks to all,



Kim Mayrose

West Des Moines, Iowa  USA

*********************************************

Happiness is not having what you want

Happiness is wanting what you have

*********************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:31:38 EDT

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From:         janet melton <JEMELT0@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

Subject:      Lichen..edible?



Hello to all the gang...  I am coordinating the AppalFor gopher and WWW homepag

e through the University of Kentucky.  AppalFor focuses on sustainable forestry

 with one area devoted entirely to alternative forest products (mints, mushroom

s, etc...)  I would like to include some information on lichen in this area, as

 I have heard not only that it is edible, but also nutrient-rich.  Does anyone

have any information to share about lichen... nutrient information, preparation

,etc...?  Thanks to all,    Janet Melton (jemelt0@ukcc.uky.edu)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 14:41:45 -0800

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From:         Mark Rothenberg <rothenmr@SCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Q: Any Problem Distributing Herbs, Etc.?



I actually had a traditional doctor suggest using a homeopathic remedy for

reducing my blood pressure.  Is this a step in the right direction or

what!!  I informed I did not want to take medication, if possible.  He

immediately offered a homeopathic remedy, which he had to look up.



Mark from Alhambra, CA

rothenmr@sce.com



>...I think the main danger is if you accidentally gave someone something that

>caused some harm...from allergic reaction to liver or kidney damage (lots of

>herbs on the open market are being shown to cause permanent liver or kidney

>damage, and there is even a 'pregnancy tea' (I won't name names) that is sold

>widely which contains seven plants, three of which have compounds which cause

>malformations of the fetus and/or cancer. (See the March/April 1995 Illinois

>Quarterly for the article on page 10).

>Unfortunately, at this time, neither pharmacists nor physicians are schooled

>in the uses and dangers of herbal medicines, so they aren't a good source of

>information.

>In any case, best of luck!

>

>I'm sure alot of bandwith is going to be taken up on the list asking you for

>the product and the herbs involved. Let me say that I'm not sure how easy,

>here in Colorado, it would be to find _Illinois Quarterly_. I know some of our

>friends in the UK or Finland won't be able to find it! So how about a brief

>summary, with a list of the herbs involved, for the rest of us. If you are

>worried about legal ramifications, as long as you clearly attribute the source

>(which you already have) you are passing on info, _not_ libeling a

>manufacturer. Besides, with all the differant kinds of expertise around here,

>it might be fun to see a discussion of the herbs involved.

>

>__

>Ed

>reengage lurking device....

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:53:14 EDT

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From:         KIM MAYROSE <SCAY54A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --



> I think your right, but depending on what kind of food poisoning. If

your

> are getting fever and servere kinds of symptoms your should seek

medical

> help. I say this as a pharmacist.

>

> Lise Andersen



I wasn't referring to the kind of food poisoning where you are about to

drop dead.  I was referring to the kind where you and a bunch of people

all go out to eat, and all the ones that had the same thing, are sick

as dogs all night long with diarrhea and vomiting.  Usually once it is

out of their system they feel just fine, but getting to that point can

be misery.  This happened to my brother just recently when he was out

of town for a seminar, and sparked my curiosity as to what

should/shouldn't be done regarding the use of herbs for food poisoning.

 Sorry for the confusion.



Thanks,

Kim Mayrose

West Des Moines, Iowa  USA

**********************************************

Happiness is not having what you want

Happiness is wanting what you have

**********************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:32:13 -0400

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From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Q: Any Problem Distributing Herbs, Etc.?



The Herb Growing and Marketing Network is a trade association for herb

businesses most of which are the small to medium size ones.  Medicinal herbs

comprise a large portion of these businesses from wildcrafting to

manufacturing to retailing.  They're holding an herb business conference in

Albuquerque 1/31-2/4/96 and one complete track will be on the "business of

medicinals" covering legal aspects, quality control, wildcrafting and much

more.  The trade journal The Herbal Connection also covers the medicinal

business aspect as well.  If you'd like more information on the above email

your snail mail address to HERBWORLD@aol.com.  Don't post your request to the

list please.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 07:47:55 -0400

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From:         "John S. Zullo" <jszullo@SOHO.IOS.COM>

Subject:      Re: super blue green algae



Is anyone familiar with super blue green algae?

Does it actually do what it says it is supposed to do? (i.e. energy)



I have been using Super Blue Green Algae since October 1994. It was the only thing that

restored my energy when I was suffering from chronic fatigue. It is truely amazing.



Regards,

John Zullo

Independant Cell Tech Distributor

jszullo@soho.ios.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:42:58 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Horse Chestnuts

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.HPP.3.91.951005121632.10063A-100000@hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu>



On Thu, 5 Oct 1995, Ari Solovyova wrote:



> Does anyone know if horse chestnuts can be used as food (baked or otherwise)?



Need to soak them a day & toss the water, boil them & toss the water.

Then what is left is edible (but its more trouble than it is worth).



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 12:01:54 -0400

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Mugwort



Collette -



Thanks for the added insight into the mugwort dream connection. Also, have

you had any experience with calea zacatechichi, the reputed lucid dream

inducer used by Indians in the Mexican state of Chiapas?



--Dale--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:26:13 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Horse Chestnuts



Horse cestnuts can be used in healing salves for external use only. They

have some pain relieving properties.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:37:08 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Coffee



I would say that if you have problems with your "cycles" you should leave

coffee alone. It probably won't interfere with echinacea but it can

interfere with the metabolic system and you can become addicted to it.

Coffee enemas are very stimulating to a system that is shutting down. It can

drive the adrenals. They are definately not something to be used by

everyone. I know of one homeopath that uses them for cancer patients.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:45:10 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: sleeping aids needed



I have an interesting anecdote. My daughter was having trouble sleeping.

She has been under the care of a homeopath for kidney problems. When the

doctor hgeard that she had a rather large rock collection in the room.

It was suggested that she move the rocks somewhere else. Lo and behold she

now sleeps very well. Apparently the rocks gove off some "vibrations" that

were interfering with her sleep. We removed the rocks and solved the

problem.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:54:26 -0400

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From:         "Sherwood S. Tucker" <DDS1@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: dandruff



In a message dated 95-10-02 12:04:09 EDT, you write:

>From:  HerbalMuse@AOL.COM (Karyn Siegel Maier)

>

>If you have very long hair, as I do, you should consider washing it no more

>than 2-3 times a week...less if your hair is on the dry side.  Overwashing

>not only damages and breaks long hair, it creates a dry scalp.

>

>Here's a good treatment for dandruff:

>

>To a 1/4 cup water, add 1 tbls. apple cider vinegar, and 5-7 drops of one or

>more of the following essential oils:  carrot, sage, thyme, rosemary, basil,

>laveder, cypress.   Rub this mixture into the scalp (not the hair) before

>going to bed at night.  Wash or rinse in the morning.



and what does one do to keep it off the bed? use a shower cap, saran wrap or?

 ;-)  I imagine that it smells wonderful too... The main thing is that it

works



dds1



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         "F. Alex Hamill.User." <Leaflight@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Q: Any Problem Distributing Herbs, Etc.?



In response to request for the specific 7 herbs in that pregnancy tea, I'm

sorry to say that neither nor brand name was not given.  It was a short

article quoting Dr. Norman Farnsworth, one of the most prominent names in

pharmacognosy and ethnobotany up there with Dr. Shultes and Dr. Soejarto.

 (Farnsworth is the Director of my department, Medicinal Chemistry and

Pharmacognosy, at the University of Illinois at Chicago)  So...I'm sorry not

to be able to deliver that list.

I DID however find the article I was refering to about the FDA's attention or

lack thereof to herbal products.  It can be found in JAMA (Journal of the

American Medical Association)  in the Medical News and Perspectives section,

Vol 273, #8, February 22, 1995.  another slightly disparaging commentary

titled "Why Pharmacists should not sell homeopathic remedies" can be found in

Am J Health-Syst Pharm, May 1, 1995. (page 1004)  Good news, however, can be

found in FDC Reports Tan, 2/1/95, p19, which I summarize here:

The FDA is gradually making herbal medicines more respectable; the recent

Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act now means that manufacturers can

put more product information on pack and the industry is expected to grow

dramatically.  The herbal medicines market in the US was estimated at $1.5

billion in 1994 and is expanding at round 15% per year.  In germany, herbals

represent 27% of the total pharmaceuticals market, with annual sales of 1.9

billion dollars.  France has the 2nd largest herbals market in Europe at 1.6

billion, while sales of herbal medicines in the UK are estimated at $450

million.  However, products will have to conform more to pharmaceutical

quality and safety testing requirements and manufacturers will have to fund

these, increasing cost of sales.



So there.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:20:57 -0400

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From:         "F. Alex Hamill.User." <Leaflight@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: super blue green algae



If possible, please tell me what this organism, or group of organisms, is?

 Is this a hybrid someone has come up with, or is it a regular old blue-green

that's been found to have some therapeutic effect?  Genus and specific

epithet?



Thanks!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:34:09 -0400

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From:         Laura Formholtz <Cupid999@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: super blue green algae



It's called alphanizomenon flos aquae.  The purest form grows in Klamath Lake

in Oregon, where man is only permitted to grow, cultivate and collect it.  It

is surrounded by a natural mountainy area, so the atmosphere is

uncontaminated and at it's purest.



Laura



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:32:46 EDT

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From:         KIM MAYROSE <SCAY54A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Coffee



-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --



> I would say that if you have problems with your "cycles" you should leave

> coffee alone. It probably won't interfere with echinacea but it can

> interfere with the metabolic system and you can become addicted to it.

> Coffee enemas are very stimulating to a system that is shutting down. It

> can drive the adrenals. They are definately not something to be used by

> everyone. I know of one homeopath that uses them for cancer patients.



Even when I only drink decaf?  Is that addicting too?  I've had these

hormonal problems after both of my pregnancies.  The first time I was

not drinking coffee at all when things started to go goofy.  I was put

on hormones and forced to wean.  The second time I was drinking coffee

(decaf) once or twice a week and decided to try herbs.  I was not

forced to wean and the herbs worked much faster than the drugs from the

first time.



Question:  Just how much caffeine would be in a cup of decaf coffee

that is said to be 99% caffeine free?  Just curious.



Thanks,



Kim Mayrose

West Des Moines,  Iowa  USA



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From:         KIM MAYROSE <SCAY54A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --



> They NEED Fluids! Even if it is just plain old water, food poisoning

> results in dehydration and your body's fluids need to be replaced. If

> symptoms dont lessen in a few days, I'd recomend a trip to the doctor.

> Some food poisonings DO require the use of antibiotics. By the way, do they

> know what the cause of the food poisoning was?

>

> Diane

> emery@bcm.tmc.edu



While I agree that they do indeed need fluids, they couldn't keep any

down.  They were sick for about 18-22 hours, and I don't think any of

them had a drop to drink in that entire time that stayed down.  Does

the body find a way to absorb SOME of those liquids even though they

were vomiting constantly, or did it do no good for them at all?



The cause of the food poisoning was tainted beef in a stew.  I don't

know how it happened.



Cheers,



Kim Mayrose



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From:         "Lee M. Williams..." <UtterGore@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: where to order herbs from



Please visit our online herbal supply site : Herb'n Outfitters

  herbn@pcnet.com     http://www.herbn.com       We offer overnight delivery

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 8 Oct 1995 05:57:54 EDT

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From:         KIM MAYROSE <SCAY54A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Chamomile Allergies



-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --



This thread was a couple of months back.  Sorry I am so late asking my

questions.



>My wife and I had good luck using chamomile with both of our babies.



How much do you use for colicky babies?



>I read that chamomile can be used for upset stomachs, appetite

enhancer, overall >relaxant.  I also read for allergy suffers, such as

myself, if you are allergic to >ragweed you can have an allergic

reaction from having chamomile.



>Brian



I have summer allergies, however I do not know exactly what I am

allergic to.  Never been tested.  Friday morning I had some tea at a

friends house that I later found to contain chamomile.  I have not

noticed any reaction.  Does that mean I am safe?  I did notice after

reading the label, that it was not the only ingredient.  It was about

halfway down the list, so it may not have had a lot in it.  If I had an

allergy to chamomile, would it make any difference as to how much the

tea contained?



Thanks,

Kim Mayrose

West Des Moines, Iowa  USA



*********************************************

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Happiness is wanting what you have

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 8 Oct 1995 17:27:06 +1000

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: dandruff



>In a message dated 95-10-02 12:04:09 EDT, you write:

>>From:  HerbalMuse@AOL.COM (Karyn Siegel Maier)

>>If you have very long hair, as I do, you should consider washing it no more

>>than 2-3 times a week...less if your hair is on the dry side.  Overwashing

>>not only damages and breaks long hair, it creates a dry scalp.

>>

>>Here's a good treatment for dandruff:

>>

>>To a 1/4 cup water, add 1 tbls. apple cider vinegar, and 5-7 drops of one or

>>more of the following essential oils:  carrot, sage, thyme, rosemary, basil,

>>laveder, cypress.   Rub this mixture into the scalp (not the hair) before

>>going to bed at night.  Wash or rinse in the morning.



All very good fungacides and thus good controlling/killing the dandruff fungus.

 OK Paul and other unbelievers school hols are over and I will look for the

neme of the fungus  for the doubting Thomasas.

Good to have herbalists with open minds??



Michael Bailes.

 The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 7 Oct 1995 21:56:08 -0500

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From:         David Oliver <doliver@MINERVA.POLARISTEL.NET>

Subject:      We've missed you



We have been without e-mail for about six weeks. We obtain our Internet

access through our local telephone cooperative, which subcontracts to

another provider. The phone co. decided to change providers in mid-August.

We have had sporadic access to the Net since then, but little or no e-mail.

Finally, everything seems to be under control, fully and consistently

functional (we hope).



Some of you may have tried to contact us personally during this time and

received no reply. Please re-send your message. We will be picking up our

mail on a daily basis and will be replying to all personal messages.



Sorry if this interruption was an inconvenience to you as well as to us.



We are looking forward to reading the ongoing discussion among the herb

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==========================================

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 7 Oct 1995 22:53:06 +0000

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Comments:     Authenticated sender is <geralds@ct-pop.iafrica.com>

From:         geralds@IAFRICA.COM

Subject:      herbs



I am a pharmacist handling herbs and alternate medicines.  I am

looking for a supplier of dried medicinal herbs - my most urgent

requirement being RHUS TOXICODENDRON.  Can you assist?



Many thanks in anticipation



Gerald Schaffer



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:36:05 -0400

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Mugwort



Thanks for the info about mugwort seeds. Unfortunately, I'm in a situation

that doesn't allow for planting (I live in an apartment, and we're headed

into Chicago fall and winter). Any idea where I can get leaves?



--Dale--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 7 Oct 1995 17:44:24 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Lichen..edible?

Comments: To: janet melton <JEMELT0@UKCC.uky.edu>



At 17:31 05.10.95 -0400, janet melton wrote:

>I would like to include some information on lichen in this area, as

>I have heard not only that it is edible, but also nutrient-rich.  Does anyone

>have any information to share about lichen... nutrient information,

>preparation, etc...?  Thanks to all, Janet Melton (jemelt0@ukcc.uky.edu)



You say 'lichen' - What kind please? It's like asking 'Please advise if

_plant_ is edible and how do I prepare it?'



In Finland we have some lichens that have been used as food during times

of famine, and some that still can be considered medicinal 'plants'.



Usually you can't just go get the lichen and pop it into the pot, they

tend to have 'lichen acids' (don't ask, I just translated that from

the finnish 'jaekaelaehappo') that spoil the taste (very bitter) and

can be detrimental to your health.



If you're interested in Cetraria islandica and some species of Cladonia

send me a note. I've got this report:

'Scientific Committee for Defense: Report Series A: 5/A/79:

 Possibilities to use wild Fauna and Flora as Nutritional Sources:

 Part IV: ..., Cetraria islandica, Cladonia sp.,...'

Nice name, isn't it? Sorry it's in Finnish only. There's 30 pages on

the lichens, but I'd rather not make a summary if they don't even grow

over there.



Then there are the medicinal uses for different lichens.

Here Cetraria islandica is again prominent. Contains lots of mucosa,

so make a decoction after leaving the stuff in water for 6-12 hours

and use it for persistent coughs. Yech. Extremely easy to pick it,

it grows (over here) on flat rock (which we have a lot of because

of the last ice age) so you pick it up, discard the brown/black

nether part and all pine needles you find and store it in a dry

place. One of my favourites for easy picking.



I've heard that Cladonia can also be used for wounds. The first

time I heard it I thought somebody had mixed up the two species

Cladonia and Sphagnum moss, as the swedish names for both can be

'vitmossa', but then I heard it again. If you wet it so it's soft

it should be manageable.

As the Spagnum moss is good for wounds because it's acidic (grows in

bogs...) and the lichen is inedible asis because it contains these

lichen acids it should work, too. They're acidic enough to be

antiseptic.

I like Sphagnum moss more, and I like the way the Cladonias grow,

so don't pick them. Takes them a looong time to get that mini-tree-form

they have.



And then there is this beard-like lichen growing off the tree branches.

What was that latin name again: Usnea sp.



And then there's lots and lots of edible stuff growing on stones,

but not over here.



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.

    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 7 Oct 1995 14:01:22 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Restriction on use of Symphytum in your countries?

Comments: To: paracelsus@teleport.com



Hello all,



This just went out on the phytopharmacognosy list:

> A friend with a herbal farm/firm/herbshop would like to use Symphytum

> officinalis in her products for external use.



> Before Finnish authorities permit even that they require her to test each

> batch of plant material for pyrrolizidine alkaloid content.



> She attempted this some years ago, but the testing lab was unable to

> find a source for pure pyrrolizidine alkaloid, so no test - no permission

> to use Symphytum.



> Could you help me find a source for pyrrolizidine for her?



In addition, she fears that, even if she gets the pyrrolizidine, and

makes the tests, the Finnish authorities will find another 'but' to

stop her from using Symphytum in any products at all.



So we (= Finns, being all in this together) need to convince the

Finnish authorities that the external use of Comfrey isn't all that

dangerous.



One of the ways to accomplish this is to prove that it is widely used

in Canada? Germany? France? U.S.A? U.K.? Anywhere else?

including, if internal use is banned, why external use isn't; and if

internal use isn't banned, why not.



Please help.



The same goes for Petasites hybridus and Borago officinalis... but let's

start on Symphytum.



Thanking you all in advance,

Henriette

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.

    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:29:44 +0000

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From:         MARTIN <LEEUWEN@ELENOV1.AUCKLAND.AC.NZ>

Organization: University of Auckland

Subject:      source of Manganese

Comments: cc: paracelsus@teleport.com



Does some one has data about  plants or herbs that produce  manganese

and  or selenium

and not necessary  obtain it from the soil?



Thanks in advance



Martin van Leeuwen





Martin van Leeuwen

University of Auckland

School of Engineering

Junior/Senior Laboratories

Phone +64 9 3737599 ext 8496

fax +64 9 3737466/ 3737461



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 19:13:08 -0500

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From:         Jaime Delgado <jdelgado@PI.PRO.EC>

Subject:      HELP: RESPIRATORY INFECTION RESEARCH



HELLO



We are getting into research on RESPIRATORY INFECTION ACUTE IN CHILDREN

UNDER 5 YEARS.  Please if somebody knows about plants or alternative methods

to prevent and treatment, please tell us.  This is a public health

undertaking to work on suburban areas in poor people.



Thanks in advance.



Jaime Delgado

FUNDACION ARMONIA PLANETARIA

jdelgado@pi.pro.ec



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:55:51 +0000

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From:         christopher hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      Wormwood & absinthe



 Dale Kemery wrote;

>Subject:      Re: Apologies to the group



>Howie -

>

>Found your interesting note re: mugwort after posting my last private message

>to you. I've been reading about mugwort and found, as you confirmed, that

>it's a close relative of the outlawed wormwood, precursor of absinthe.

>

>I've been puzzled by absinthe for a long time. My recent reading has only

>intensified my curiosity. Is/was absinthe a true psychedelic beverage? Or

>what were/are its effects? For a long time I relied on the traditional

>reports about absinthe turning the brain to mush. However, considering the

>hysterical disinformation campaign of Howard Anslinger aimed against

>marijuana, I've become very suspicious of any official strictures. What *is*

>the story about wormwood/absinthe? Where can I learn more?

>

>--Dale--



this is from R.F.Weiss, Herbal Medicine. [Wiess was an MD who taught herbal

medicine in medical schools in germany.] so I suppose he counts as fairly

impartial and reliable;



        The plant contains 0.25-0.5% of a volatile oil the main constituent

of which is thujone as well as bitters. The bitter action predominates.

Worrmwood is a typical aromatic bitter. The volatile oil is remarkably

effective against worms. It is however toxic, whilst the bitter principle

is largely non-toxic. Absinthe is made with wormwood oil, but in Germany

its manufacture has been banned since 1923. The usual wormwood preperations

contain so little of the oil that there is no rsik of toxic effect.

        In some Medditerranian countries, where absinthe is consummed in

large quantities, the seriously damaging effects on the central nervous

system, that has given the plant its bad name may develop and even lead to

seizures. this shows that wormwood also has central stimulant propertiesn

that are no doubt of benifit in the small quantities normally used.

        Wormwood herb, for tea, 1 teaspoon to a glass of boiling water,

leave to infuse for 10 minutes.

        Wormwood tincture. 10-20-30 drops three times daily in water.



Comment; so the story is the same one as coffee, ie. abuse/ overuse of a

perfectly good and useful herb.

        Wormwood is Artemesia absinthium, it is used a lot in apperitif

wines and spirits in Europe, but only in small amounts or it dominates the

taste.

It is mostly used for intestinal parasites, 'weak digestion', liver and

gall bladder troubles and as an emmenagogue. I always recomend it as a

prophylatic for folk traveling to hot countries, 15 drops of tincture tree

times daily usually does the trick. The American spp of Absinthe, inc. sage

brush and mugwort, have pretty much the same properties.

- No Artemesias should be taken during pregnanacy.



I trust this is useful info.  Christopher Hedley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:22:51 -0700

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From:         Dennis Clark <DENNIS.CLARK@ASU.EDU>

Subject:      trigeminal neuralgia



I am interested in any information on the treatment of trigeminal

neuralgia (also called tic douloureux).  This is a painful condition`

of nerves in the face.  I appreciate any comments or advice that

anyone may have for me.



Tnanks,

Dennis



dennis.clark@asu.edu  Tel. 602/965-4482  FAX 602/965-6899



"Anyone who does not believe in miracles is not a realist."

                               --David Ben-Gurion--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:46:23 -0600

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From:         "Diane E. Emery" <emery@BCM.TMC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



>-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --

>

>> They NEED Fluids! Even if it is just plain old water, food poisoning

>> results in dehydration and your body's fluids need to be replaced. If

snip

>> Diane

>> emery@bcm.tmc.edu

>

>While I agree that they do indeed need fluids, they couldn't keep any

>down.  They were sick for about 18-22 hours, and I don't think any of

>them had a drop to drink in that entire time that stayed down.  Does

>the body find a way to absorb SOME of those liquids even though they

>were vomiting constantly, or did it do no good for them at all?



>Kim Mayrose





Im sure taking in fluids, even a small amount, would be better that no

fluids at all.  Small sips over an extended period of time works best,

drinking an entire glass of water in one sitting would not sit well.



Diane



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:27:37 +0500

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From:         "Charles L. Rudd" <clr@DUNYO.TASHKENT.SU>

Organization: Dunyo

Subject:      Elaeagnaceae augustofolia L. Info???

Comments: To: Phytopharmacognosy@mailbase.ac.uk

Comments: cc: HOLISTIC%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu



09 Oct 95 ref 5100902



Subject: Genus/species: Elaeagnus angustifolia l. Family: Elaeagnaceae



I  have another request for help  getting  information  about  a

regional fruit  tree  which   is not listed in any  our  library

reference  books  except  for  two Russian  language references.

According  to  our  russian texts  the  flowers   yeild a highly

aromatic  essential  oil (0.3%)  and   flowers are   used  in  a

medicinal tea for treatment of colds and as a  heart tonic.  The

bark  contains alkaloid   (eleagnin  sp?   transliteration  from

cyrillic) (0.1%) and  tetrahydrogarmol  sp? transliteration from

cyrillic) 0.05%. Leaves contain  ascorbic  acid  (140-350  mg%).

Leaves are used to make a water extract to treat  rheumatism and

lower spinal   pains.  Fruits from  this  tree are edible with a

pleasant dry   taste with a hint  of  alum.  Fruit  contain  20%

fructose,  glucose   and   sucrose;    10%   protein   and   40%

carbohydrates.  Tea or  water   extract of   fruit  is  used for

stomach and colon  disorders and  against  intestinal parasites.

Tea made from fruit is also used for respiratory ailments.



I  need  any  information from reference sources about this tree

concerning medical applications, essential oil or  perfume uses.



Phytochemical  information would  be  useful  to  evaluate   the

active components. No reference to this tree  is  found  in  our

limited western library and we don't have direct  online  access

to western computer databases.



Is  this tree  used  in  Oriental  medicine?



Does this tree grow in regions other  than  Siberia and  Central

Asia?



Any reference to this plant in folklore medicine of other regions?



Regards,

---

Charles L. Rudd <clr@dunyo.tashkent.su>

Interconcepts Incorporated (USA)  Fax: 7 3712 56-6180

Central Asian Research Center     Tel: 7 3712 39-1302, 39-1453

Ul. Shpilkova 5 Tashkent 700031 Uzbekistan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 9 Oct 1995 04:32:12 -0400

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From:         Bob Kelly <RobertK530@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Traveling Companions Sought



I am about to undertake a 5-6 year journey of exploration into natural health

practices, and would like to invite 5-6 others who might be at the same stage

of a similar journey to accompany me via the Internet.



I would expect to exchange experiences and ideas 2-3 times per week via

e-mail.



If you are interested in discussing such an arrangement, please reply to me

directly at RobertK530@AOL.COM, rather than here on the Herb List.



Expectantly,



Bob Kelly



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:26:24 +0100

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From:         Lise Andersen <lise@MEDCHEM.DFH.DK>

Subject:      Re: source of Manganese



>Does some one has data about  plants or herbs that produce  manganese

>and  or selenium

>and not necessary  obtain it from the soil?

>

>Thanks in advance

>

>Martin van Leeuwen



no, plants obtain their minerals from soil.



Lise Andersen



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:55:00 EDT

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From:         Rick Nott <ricknot2@OEONLINE.COM>

Subject:      A question about apple cider vinegar



what are the benefits of apple cider vinegar and how does it work?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:28:48 -1000

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From:         PC Consultants <twheeler@MAUI.NET>

Subject:      Re: A question about apple cider vinegar



Hi Rick:



>what are the benefits of apple cider vinegar and how does it work?



One source I have says that apple cider venegar contains minute quantities

of minerals and a mild acidity that balances and aids digestion.  The acetic

acid and potassium content help to activate the friendly bacteria in the

digestive tract.  Vinegar as a remedy has been used for arthritis, asthma,

constipation, hayfever, shingles, sore throats.  vinegar is excellent as a

solvent for preventative and nutritious herb solutions and for preparartions

that are taken over a long period of time for health maintenance (e.g.

vitamin/mineral formulas, and tonic formulas.  Also an excellent solvent for

children ior alcoholics who should not be given alcohol.  vinegar tinctures

are excellent ofr extracting some plant alkaloids (such as lobeline form

Lobelia), but are not as good for extracting the more acidic biochemical

ingredients.



Martha



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:46:24 -0700

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From:         Timothy Lee <leeways@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>

Subject:      Chromium Picolinate

In-Reply-To:  <951007151613_102617.1353_GHS86-1@CompuServe.COM>



Earlier on this listserv group some questions were asked about Chromium

Picolinate. One person mentioned that her Physician suggested she use it

for her Diabetes. Then someone said something about Chromium Picolinate

and Niacin being the same thing. I do not think this is correct.



Here's some info I got from a Medline search on Chromium Picolinate:



Initial studies with the

insulin-sensitizing nutrient chromium picolinate

indicate that it aids glucose tolerance in type II diabetes,

lowers elevated LDL cholesterol, reduces body fat while

increasing lean mass.



Chromium has been implicated as a cofactor in the maintenance

of normal lipid and carbohydrate metabolism. A deficiency of

chromium results from diets low in biologically available

chromium. Picolinic acid, a metabolite of tryptophan, forms

stable complexes with transitional metal ions, resulting in

an improved bioavailability of the metal ion chromium.



I found nothing about toxicity. One study mentioned that it is well

tolerated.



Timothy Lee MD

Internist, Seattle WA.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:12:03 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: source of Manganese

In-Reply-To:  <MAILQUEUE-101.951007182944.256@elenov1.auckland.ac.nz>



On Sat, 7 Oct 1995, MARTIN wrote:



> Does some one has data about  plants or herbs that produce  manganese

> and  or selenium

> and not necessary  obtain it from the soil?



MORE QUESTIONS...

Had my well water tested a number of years ago, and it showed high

amounts of manganese (also iron - my clothes are all brown).  Anyone have

a clue if that form of manganese is usable by the body?



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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Mugwort

In-Reply-To:  <951006120154_37954629@emout04.mail.aol.com>



On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Dale Kemery wrote:



> Collette -

>

> Thanks for the added insight into the mugwort dream connection. Also, have

> you had any experience with calea zacatechichi, the reputed lucid dream

> inducer used by Indians in the Mexican state of Chiapas?

>

> --Dale--

>

Hi, no I've actually never heard of it anyone else?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:59:08 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs & Coffee



I don't know much about decaf coffee. There may be other additives that

have been used to extract the caffeine. Coffee has other alkaloids besides

caffeine to consider. I don't have my information handy. I would think

that occasional coffee is not detrimental but coffee chuggers are

endangering their health.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:02:43 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



In reading about the Mutiny on the Bounty, Captain Bligh (maybe spelled

correctly) had his adrift crew soak in sea water to relieve their thirst.

They couldn't drink the sea water but soaking in the water seemed to

slake thirst. Perhaps the body absorbed some liquid.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:19:12 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Lichen..edible?



Sphagnum moss is a true moss not a lichen. It contains iodine. The sphagnum

that grows here (theres a couple of species), varies in color. The reddish

colored moss has a greater quantity of iodine and is better for wounds.

The light green moss was used for diapers and menstrual pads by the

native folk. Sphagnum is not the same as Cladonias.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:21:38 -0500

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From:         Barbara Howser <HOWSER@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>

Subject:      cat's claw / devil's claw



Please tell me if these two are variant names of the same plant?  I thought they were different names for different  herbs.  Am I incorrect?  Thanks in advance.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:40:22 +0100

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From:         James Morley <jm12kg@LION.RBGKEW.ORG.UK>

Subject:      Re: Calea xacatechichi (Was: Re: Mugwort)

Comments: To: Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SUN.3.91.951009182556.17660A-100000@garcia.efn.org>



> On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Dale Kemery wrote:

>

> > Collette -

> >

> > Thanks for the added insight into the mugwort dream connection. Also, have

> > you had any experience with calea zacatechichi, the reputed lucid dream

> > inducer used by Indians in the Mexican state of Chiapas?



Try looking at:



1.  Mayagoitia_L, Diaz_JL, Contreras_CM, 1986.  Psychopharmacologic

analysis of an alleged oneirogenic plant: Calea_zacatechichi. Journal of

Ethnopharmacology 18(3): 229-243.



2.  Richardson_PM. 1985.  The encyclopedia of psychoactive drugs.

Flowering plants: magic in bloom. London: Burke, 1988.  112pp.



According to our Economic Boitany Bibliographic DAtabase both these

papers has some information that may be of use.



James



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:01:30 +0100

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From:         James Morley <jm12kg@LION.RBGKEW.ORG.UK>

Subject:      Re: cat's claw / devil's claw

Comments: To: Barbara Howser <HOWSER@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>

In-Reply-To:  <01HW93GEPWXE9OD2OJ@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>



On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Barbara Howser wrote:



> Please tell me if these two are variant names of the same plant?  I

thought they were different names for different  herbs.  Am I

incorrect?  Thanks in advance.



According to Mabberley (The Plant Book):



Cats Claw     _Acacia gregii_              Leguminosae

Devils Claw   No Entry



According to our Economic Botany Bibliographic Database:



Cats Claw     _Acacia gregii_              Leguminosae



Devils Claw   _Harpagophytum procumbens_   Pedaliaceae

              _Martynia louisiana_         Pedaliaceae

              _Proboscidea jussieui_       Pedaliaceae

              _Proboscidea altheifolia_    Pedaliaceae

              _Proboscidea parviflora_     Pedaliaceae



I guess here is another example of why the scientific names should be

used - vernacular names can lead to all sorts of confusion.



James



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Centre for Economic Botany

Royal Botanic Gardens                    Tel. (0)181 332 5719

Kew, Richmond                            Fax. (0)181 332 5278

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:56:06 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Fucus



In this area (NW US) weh have Fucus distichus, rockweed, that grows on the

beaches. Is anyone aware of the differences or similarities of this plant

as compared to Fucus Vesiculosis, bladderwrack. I do know it can be eaten.

I would like to perhaps use this plant in a similar way to F. vesiculosis.

I feel it is important to know and use local flora.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 21:04:35 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: sphagnum moss and cladonia

Comments: To: Anita F Hales <JSAFH@acad1.alaska.edu>



At 11:19 09.10.95 -0800, Anita F Hales wrote:

>Sphagnum moss is a true moss not a lichen. It contains iodine. The sphagnum

>that grows here (theres a couple of species), varies in color. The reddish

>colored moss has a greater quantity of iodine and is better for wounds.

>The light green moss was used for diapers and menstrual pads by the

>native folk. Sphagnum is not the same as Cladonias.



I didn't know that Sphagnum moss contains iodine and that the red ones

are better for wounds, but I did know the botany (which maybe was unclear

in my post), and the diaper/menstrual pad bit. Very logical if you live near

the stuff actually. Difficult bit is keeping it in one piece, like, what

did they do when they didn't have linen, or other fabrics? Anyone?



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.

    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed



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From:         MARIA A TURCO <TURCOMAR@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU>

Subject:      apple pits/ seeds



On 10/4 Liz from Maine wrote about the Vita-mix:



> Some foods taste really cruddy with the skins left on, but others

>are better.  Just make sure you take out things like apple seeds

>which are poisonous.



>Liz in Maine





Has anyone heard this about apple seeds? pits being poisonous?  My

grandpa used to eat them alone, and I have never removed them from

the fruit before juicing.  Please comment!



thanks  - Maria

turcomar@lanmail.shu.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:50:52 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds



>Has anyone heard this about apple seeds? pits being poisonous?  My

>grandpa used to eat them alone, and I have never removed them from

>the fruit before juicing.  Please comment!

>

>thanks  - Maria

>turcomar@lanmail.shu.edu

>



Apple Seeds are indeed poisonous; however, the seeds must be crushed or they

will pass through the digestive system, hopefully to be replanted with

natural fertilizers later.



I'm not sure of exact amount of crushed apple seeds you need to eat to

poison yourself, but typical juice amounts won't hurt you. A bowl full of

crushed seeds will.



A sad teacher story. When I first took a poisonous and edible plants of the

northwest class many years ago, the teacher mentioned one of his students

had committed suicide after taking his class by eating a bowl full of

crushed apple seeds.





*****************************************************************************

Howie B

C&W Herbs, Inc.

Eugene, Or USA



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:51:13 -0400

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From:         "B. Jaycox" <bjaycox@CLARK.NET>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds

In-Reply-To:  <s07a92a9.000@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU>



I understand that apple seeds contain an anti-cancer chemical (interferon?)

but also contain poisonous chemicals. The seeds in one apple wouldn't hurt

you, but a cup full (if you could stand eating that many) could kill you.



Brian



On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, MARIA A TURCO wrote:



> On 10/4 Liz from Maine wrote about the Vita-mix:

>

> > Some foods taste really cruddy with the skins left on, but others

> >are better.  Just make sure you take out things like apple seeds

> >which are poisonous.

>

> >Liz in Maine

>

>

> Has anyone heard this about apple seeds? pits being poisonous?  My

> grandpa used to eat them alone, and I have never removed them from

> the fruit before juicing.  Please comment!

>

> thanks  - Maria

> turcomar@lanmail.shu.edu

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 21:04:17 PST

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From:         John LoConte <JLoconte@PACTIDE.NOAA.GOV>

Subject:      Fennel seeds



     Can anyone give me some ideas on how to store or prepare the surplus

     of fennel seeds in my yard?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:58:35 -0500

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From:         Jaime Delgado <jdelgado@PI.PRO.EC>

Subject:      LEPTINE



HI



Does any one know about LEPTINA research?



Thanks in advance



jdelgado.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:10:55 -0400

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From:         "F. Alex Hamill.User." <Leaflight@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds



I too have heard that the seed contains toxic compounds, though they pass

through nicely and intact if they are not chewed!  I haven't any information

on what the compound(s) is(are)...anyone?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:08:04 -0400

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From:         Alison Coppola <ACopp90922@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds



Hi Alex,



Apple seeds contain arsenic, tolerable in trace amounts but lethal as an

overdose.



Best to you,



Alison C.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:32:49 -0700

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From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds

In-Reply-To:  <951010200803_72798636@mail04.mail.aol.com>



On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Alison Coppola wrote:



> Hi Alex,

>

> Apple seeds contain arsenic, tolerable in trace amounts but lethal as an

> overdose.



You know, I've heard this before and it doesn't sound quite right.  The

only way that apple seeds would contain arsenic is if 1) it was present in

the soil that the apple tree is growing in and 2) the apple tree went out

of its way to concentrate the arsenic in the seed tissue.



Many seeds contain cyanogenic glycosides... sugars which release cyanide

when they are digested (such as amygdalin, found in almonds and peach

pits).  These compounds, by the way, were the basis for the claims of

"laetrile" (which contains cyanogenic glycosides)... the idea was that

cancer cells, being more metabolically active, would absorb more of these

compounds and so get a higher dose of cyanide than cells in normal tissues

of the body.



I'm not sure, but I would suspect that apple seeds contain cyanide

(actually, cyanogenic glycosides) rather than arsenic.  Does anyone know

more about this?



Peter Schuerman                                 plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:06:56 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds



In message ID <Pine.SOL.3.91.951010172354.5658C-100000@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu>

on 10/10/95, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I'm not sure, but I would suspect that apple seeds contain cyanide

: (actually, cyanogenic glycosides) rather than arsenic.  Does anyone know

: more about this?



I believe you are right. While arsenic is found in phosphate fertilizer, and

could migrate into the fruit, it is not a natural part. Cyanogenic glycosides

are commonplace in Rosaceae fruits such as almonds, apricots, peaches, plums,

cherries...and probably apples, too.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:38:28 -0400

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds

Comments: To: plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



In a message dated 95-10-10 20:37:36 EDT, you write:



>Many seeds contain cyanogenic glycosides... sugars which release cyanide

>when they are digested (such as amygdalin, found in almonds and peach

>pits).  These compounds, by the way, were the basis for the claims of

>"laetrile" (which contains cyanogenic glycosides)... the idea was that

>cancer cells, being more metabolically active, would absorb more of these

>compounds and so get a higher dose of cyanide than cells in normal tissues

>of the body.



Yep, that's it! I sat here scratching my head for the remains of a memory.

No, it wasn't arsenic, I kept telling myself, but I couldn't remember which

compound it is-- except that it's one of the cyanide compounds (potassium

cyanide, sodium cyanide).



This moves into the homeopathic zone that says small amounts of deadly

substances can create effective health effects. It's the same school of

thought that holds that amygdalin will work in treating cancers. There's no

evidence that *any* of this works. And some evidence to indicate that you're

tinkering with your life. Even while you enrich the bank accounts of quack

practitioners, especially those south of the border. Beware.



--Dale--



P.S. You know Charley Tart on the UC campus there with you?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:41:22 -0400

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From:         Robert G Hensley <Hensleys@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs, Coffee, Ayurveda



Kasmard is translated as "coffee" but is not a coffee bean, accordiing to

Ayurvedic herbal experts in India. It tastes a lot like coffee, but has no

stimulant effect. It is used in one Ayurvedic health tonic along with winter

cherry (ashwaganda), licorice root, and the main ingredient, clearing nut, an

apparantly rare herb harvested by only remote areas of india. The combination

above has been found to be a powerful antioxidant in research at Ohio State

Dept of Natural Products and Cancer Research.



Does anyone know more about Clearing Nut and Kasmard? I am looking for

scientific references as well as references in Ayurvedic texts. Anyone into

Ayurveda here?



Robert H

email   Hensleys@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:18:29 -0400

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From:         Judith Rasoletti <rasolett@FIU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds

In-Reply-To:  <s07a92a9.000@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU>



Apple is my favorite fruit and I have always eaten them with skin and

seeds and core, only the stem makes it back to the composter -

does anyone know if apple skin is used for treating minor skin

irritations, etc.? I think my mother used this when I was little.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:43:51 -0500

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From:         David Oliver <doliver@MINERVA.POLARISTEL.NET>

Subject:      Apple seeds



Yes, apple seeds are toxic. There have been deaths reported. The

concentration of cyanide in the seeds is low, however, which means you would

have to eat a lot of them.



I have seen squirrels eat discarded cores. Raccoons recently ate the entire

contents of one of our crabapple trees; I don't think they spit out the

seeds! They may have passed through their digestive systems intact.



The best bet, though, is don't eat the seeds.



==========================================

David & Paula Oliver

Editors/Publishers, The Business of Herbs

Northwind Farm Publications

doliver@minerva.polaristel.net



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Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 10:01:13 +0500

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From:         "Charles L. Rudd" <clr@DUNYO.TASHKENT.SU>

Organization: Dunyo

Subject:      Elaeagnaceae augustifolia L.

Comments: To: AC956@osfn.rhilinet.gov

Comments: cc: HOLISTIC%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu,

          Phytopharmacognosy@mailbase.ac.uk



11 Oct 95 ref 5101103



Attn Roy Collins



Thanks much for your reply. I did sent my request for info to HERBS newsgroup

and received some answers about where this tree is found. Unfortunately no one

has sent any info about medical uses of this tree. I was hoping to compare

info with the data I have collected from Russian journals and books. The

fruit has its specific taste and varies from tree to tree (or maybe subspecies

to subspecies). I include below the recommended doses of leaves, flowers and

fruit for your experimental use.

 1). 50 grams of fruit in  1-1/2 glasses of water (glass=250ml) and bring to

boil and remove from heat. Cool. Dosage: 2 tablespoons 2-4 times a day after

meals. Used to treat respiratory ailments and colitis(Kirghizian Folk medicine);

dropsy, scurvy, and intestinal worms (Siberian folk medicine)

 2). 2 teaspoons of flowers in 250ml boiling water, let stand for 1 hour in

a closed container i.e. jar with lid and then filter. Cool. Dosage: 2 tablespoons

2-4 times per day. Used to treat colds and taken as a heart tonic.

 3) Steam leaves until soft, filter off water and wrap in gauze.

Place on pain source area of body. Used to treat gout and rheumatic pain.



Regards,

---

Charles L. Rudd <clr@dunyo.tashkent.su>

Interconcepts Incorporated (USA)  Fax: 7 3712 56-6180

Central Asian Research Center     Tel: 7 3712 39-1302, 39-1453

Ul. Shpilkova 5 Tashkent 700031 Uzbekistan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         "Edward D. Hinckley" <edh@RMII.COM>

Subject:      Re: cat's claw / devil's claw



And that's not even counting the cat's claw making the rounds in

American health food stores--uncaria tomentosa. Yes common names can be

confusing,  sometimes even dangerous.



Ed



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From:   James Morley[SMTP:jm12kg@LION.RBGKEW.ORG.UK]

Sent:   Tuesday, October 10, 1995 10:01 AM

To:     Multiple recipients of list HERB

Subject:        Re: cat's claw / devil's claw



On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Barbara Howser wrote:



> Please tell me if these two are variant names of the same plant?  I

thought they were different names for different  herbs.  Am I

incorrect?  Thanks in advance.



According to Mabberley (The Plant Book):



Cats Claw     _Acacia gregii_              Leguminosae

Devils Claw   No Entry



According to our Economic Botany Bibliographic Database:



Cats Claw     _Acacia gregii_              Leguminosae



Devils Claw   _Harpagophytum procumbens_   Pedaliaceae

              _Martynia louisiana_         Pedaliaceae

              _Proboscidea jussieui_       Pedaliaceae

              _Proboscidea altheifolia_    Pedaliaceae

              _Proboscidea parviflora_     Pedaliaceae



I guess here is another example of why the scientific names should be

used - vernacular names can lead to all sorts of confusion.



James



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:07:03 +0100

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Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds

Comments: To: "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SOL.3.91.951010172354.5658C-100000@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu>



On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Peter L. Schuerman wrote:



> > Apple seeds contain arsenic, tolerable in trace amounts but lethal as an

> > overdose.



>

> I'm not sure, but I would suspect that apple seeds contain cyanide

> (actually, cyanogenic glycosides) rather than arsenic.  Does anyone know

> more about this?



Apple pips do indeed contain amygdalin, a cyanogenic glycoside.



There is one anecdotal story of a man who liked the taste of apple pips

so much that he used to save them in a jar.  On his birthday he decided

to give himself a treat and ate the whole lot.  He died!



On a more practical note, it is well known that amateur entomologists

crush a leaf of cherry laurel (_Prunus laurocerasus_) into a jar to kill

the insects that they are collecting.



For more detail on the chemistry and toxicology of the Rosaceae see:

Frohne, D. & Pfander, H. J. 1983.  A Colour Atlas of Poisonous Plants and

Fungi.  A handbook for Pharmacists, Doctors, Toxicologists and

Biologists. Wolfe Scientific Ltd: London.





James



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Centre for Economic Botany

Royal Botanic Gardens                    Tel. (0)181 332 5719

Kew, Richmond                            Fax. (0)181 332 5278

Surrey   TW9 3AE

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Herbs, Coffee, Ayurveda

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951010233908_72876989@mail02.mail.aol.com> on 10/10/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Kasmard is translated as "coffee" but is not a coffee bean, accordiing to

: Ayurvedic herbal experts in India. It tastes a lot like coffee, but has no

: stimulant effect. It is used in one Ayurvedic health tonic along with

winter

: cherry (ashwaganda), licorice root, and the main ingredient,

: clearing nut, an apparantly rare herb harvested by only remote areas

: of india. The combination above has been found to be a powerful

: antioxidant in research at Ohio State Dept of Natural Products and

: Cancer Research.

:

: Does anyone know more about Clearing Nut and Kasmard? I am looking for

: scientific references as well as references in Ayurvedic texts. Anyone into

: Ayurveda here?



Kasamarda is Cassia sophora (sophera?), also sometimes called Senna sophora.

The word apparently means 'destroyer of cough' (not 'coffee'). (Dutt, Materia

Medica of the Hindus). Cassia tora is used similarly in Chinese herbal

healing (indeed, C. sophora is used as --Jue ming zi-- as well), and has a

similar beverage use and flavor. It is, as the name sounds, a laxative.



Clearing nut is Strychnos potatorum, otherwise known as 'drinker's nut.' It

is used to 'clear' water (ie, to purify it). (J.M. Nickell's Botanical Ready

Reference). Just because a plant is locally rare doesn't make it better, and

given this genus, toxicity is a concern.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



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Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:11:33 -0400

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From:         Daniel Cloutier <CLOUTIERD@QCRGMO.AGR.CA>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds



Peter Schuerman is right.

To add to it, the poison gaz used by Iraq, I think, was

cyanide extracted from apple seeds that was produced in an

apple juice plant in the U.S. as a side product.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:13:42 -0500

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From:         Jaime Delgado <jdelgado@PI.PRO.EC>

Subject:      Re: cat's claw / devil's claw



Hi:



Polular CATS CLAW  is  Uncaria Tomentosa    Rubiacea family

From the rainforest amazonia. More info or product email me PRIVATE.



Regards



jdelgado@pi,pro.ec



>On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Barbara Howser wrote:

>

>> Please tell me if these two are variant names of the same plant?  I

>thought they were different names for different  herbs.  Am I

>incorrect?  Thanks in advance.

>

>According to Mabberley (The Plant Book):

>

>Cats Claw     _Acacia gregii_              Leguminosae

>Devils Claw   No Entry

>

>According to our Economic Botany Bibliographic Database:

>

>Cats Claw     _Acacia gregii_              Leguminosae

>

>Devils Claw   _Harpagophytum procumbens_   Pedaliaceae

>              _Martynia louisiana_         Pedaliaceae

>              _Proboscidea jussieui_       Pedaliaceae

>              _Proboscidea altheifolia_    Pedaliaceae

>              _Proboscidea parviflora_     Pedaliaceae

>

>I guess here is another example of why the scientific names should be

>used - vernacular names can lead to all sorts of confusion.

>

>James

>

>--------------------------------------------------------------

>James Morley                           J.Morley@rbgkew.org.uk

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:51:40 -0400

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds



Maria asked:  >Has anyone heard about apple seeds... being poisonous?<

     The Hunza, a Himalayan society in which cancer is literally unknown,

have a belief one should eat the seeds of every fruit eaten (but no more).

 I've eaten the seeds of my apples (prunes, apricots, peaches) for years and

- friends & relatives assure me I'm still alive.



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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds - Reply

Comments: To: Carras@AOL.COM



I second this.  Years ago a nutritional psychiatrist told me to eat fruits

pits and all for this very same reason.  I tried this for awhile, taking

care not to "crunch" the seeds but simply to swallow them.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:32:53 -0700

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Restriction on use of Symphytum in your countries?

In-Reply-To:  <199510071202.AA02624@personal.eunet.fi>



belive that there have been several research papers showing skin

absorption of pyrolizidine alkaloids to be minimal if not completely non

existant. Try "Pyrrolizidine alkaloids from Symphytum officinal L. and

their percutaneous absorbtion in rats", J. Brauchli et al., Experientia,

Vol. 38, 1982 pp. 1085-1087 also try "Pyrrolizidine alkaloids

in S. officinale and their dermal absorption in rats". same author

Experientia, 1981 pp 667. If you think these may be helpful and you can't

find them let me know. There may be something more recent as well.

Colette Gardiner



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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds

In-Reply-To:  <s07a92a9.000@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU>



It is quite possible.  Some pits of (peaches, no, something in that line)

have the basis of leatrile, which also contains a poison (sorry, my

brain is not functioning - its the one they fed to Rasputin).

Chances are that anything in apple seeds is not going to damage you

unless you find a way to consume large quantities.



 On Tue, 10 Oct

1995, MARIA A TURCO wrote:



> On 10/4 Liz from Maine wrote about the Vita-mix:

>

> > Some foods taste really cruddy with the skins left on, but others

> >are better.  Just make sure you take out things like apple seeds

> >which are poisonous.

>

> >Liz in Maine

>

>

> Has anyone heard this about apple seeds? pits being poisonous?  My

> grandpa used to eat them alone, and I have never removed them from

> the fruit before juicing.  Please comment!

>

> thanks  - Maria

> turcomar@lanmail.shu.edu

>



Jack van Luik, MBA   DATA CONCEPTS   Ridgefield WA

Developing Heavy Duty Accounting Systems, using dBase/Clipper/Foxpro/Access.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:06:02 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds



They contain arsenic



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Dennis Clark <DENNIS.CLARK@ASU.EDU>

Subject:      apple seeds



As far as I know, apple seeds contain cyanogenic glycosides, which

release cyanide only when the cells are damaged.  This means that you

would have to chew them very well.  Perhaps 2 cups worth.  A Vita-Mix

could do the same thing, but who would put 2 cups of apple seeds into

a Vita-Mix?



Arsenic is unknown from apple seeds.



Cheers,

Dennis



dennis.clark@asu.edu  Tel. 602/965-4482  FAX 602/965-6899



"Anyone who does not believe in miracles is not a realist."

                               --David Ben-Gurion--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 23:54:18 +0000

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From:         christopher hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      re Calea z.



This is taken from,'Wierd Organic and Hard to find Drugs', pub Do it now

foundation, Institute for Chemical Survival, Phoenix...  whatever happened

to them ? Such high quality practical hippy scholarship is sorely missed.



'Calea zacatechichi is a shrub of the sunlower family ranging from central

Mexico to Costa Rica. The specific name is derived from the Aztec word for

bitter grass which it is also sometimes called. This plant has known long

use in folk medicine, especially in the treatment of fevers and as an

astringent in cases of diarrhoea. The Chontal Indians of Oaxaca use the

plant to induce hallucinations. Crushed dried leaves are steeped in boiling

water and the resulting tea is drunk slowly. The Indian user then lies down

down in a quite place and smokes a cigarette made from the dried leaves of

the same plant. The Indian knows that he has taken a large enough dose when

a sense of respose and drowsyness is experienced and when he hears his own

heart and pulse beats. A new alkaloid of undetermined structure has

recently ben isolated from the plant, but, as of yet, we don't know what

the active constituents of Calea zacatechichi are.'



The booklet includes an overdose chart and the friendly advise to hand it

to a friend before experimenting.



Christopher Hedley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 23:55:24 +0000

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From:         christopher hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      Garlic research



This message is mainly for Jamie Delgardo, apologies for anyone not interested.

        Jamie my mail to you was returned 'unknown mailer error 3' whatever

that means.



possible useful references to Garlic for lung diseases.



Adetumbi M A and Lau B H S  1983 Allium sativum- a natural antibiotic in

Medical Hypotheses, Lancaster, 12  pp 227-37



Antimicrobial properties of Garlic,  Biol. Medizin 1988 Jun17,3  139-42 German



Martindale The Extra Pharmacopia 1982, 28th edition  and subsequent

editions. This is a standard text book in the UK.



Also a good article in; Mills S The essential Book of Herbal Medicine,

Viking  pub as a paperback in the USA. Mills is joint director of The

Centre for Complementory Health Studies at the University of Exeter UK. He

has a medical science degree and is a fully trained herbalist. He is also

an advisor to various European bodies concerned with 'official' research

into complementary medicine.



Also... most of the research has been collected together in; Fulder S and

Blackwood J, Garlic- Natures Original Remedy pub in the USA 1991.



Also... I havn't looked in the US dep of Agriculture searchable data base

 http://probe.nalusda.gov:8300/cgi-bin/browse/phytochemdb   but this is a

useful summary of plant consituents and their properties.



I have emailed Midge Whitelegg but have had no reply as yet.



Best wishes  Christopher Hedley



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From:         christopher hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      re apple seeds



Cyanogenic glycosides of the same group as Apricot seeds and bitter almonds.

Best to avoid eating seeds from rose family fruit... although the toxicity

is variable.

Howie, thank you. A sad story but a useful teaching story.



Christopher Hedley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 11 Oct 1995 22:41:49 -0400

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From:         "David W. Taylor" <dwtaylor@UMICH.EDU>

Subject:      climbers



Dear HERB group,

        I am a graduate student at the University of Michigan in the

Biology Department.  Presently I am investigating the species of the

following families that are located in the american tropics:

Apocynaceae, Bignoniaceae, Loganiaceae, Malpighiaceae, and Sapindaceae.

I am particularly interested in finding out what is the proportion of

climbing species (lianas, vines) that appear to have bioactive compounds

in comparison to non-climbing species that appear to have bioactive

compounds in each of these families.  Therefore, I would be really

grateful to anyone who could inform me of a database that I could access

(and how to do so) that would supply me with helpful information.  I am

interested in ethnobotanical reports that would indicate that certain of

these neotropical species might have bioactive compounds (use as

medicine, hallucinogens, or poison, etc) and also pharmacological

reports of these species having been screened for bioactivity.

Information about any reputable sources of information, even besides

databases, would be appreciated.  I have heard of NAAPALERT, but do not

know how to access it.  Thank you for your help in anticipation.



                                Signed, a new member of the group,

                                        David W. Taylor



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 12 Oct 1995 12:05:46 +0500

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From:         "Charles L. Rudd" <clr@DUNYO.TASHKENT.SU>

Organization: Dunyo

Subject:      Echinophora sibthorpiana Guss.

Comments: To: Phytopharmacognosy@mailbase.ac.uk

Comments: cc: HOLISTIC%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu



12 October 1995 ref 5101205



Subject: Echinophora sibthorpiana Guss.



Family: Apiaceae(Umbelliferae)



Range : Caucausas, Central Asia (Kizil-Kum, Mountains of Turkmenia,

Pamiroalay, Tian-Shan, Iran)



Medical uses: Decoctions used to treat snake bites



Essential Oils: Yield up to 2.1% with principal components Alpha-Phellandrene

40-80% and methyl eugenol 14-50% and aldehydes.



We have received samples of this essential oil and would appreciate any

data regarding this plant, medical uses, phytochemical data etc. None of

our reference material mentions this plant. The info we listed above came

from locals who collected the plant.



Regards,





---

Charles L. Rudd <clr@dunyo.tashkent.su>

Interconcepts Incorporated (USA)  Fax: 7 3712 56-6180

Central Asian Research Center     Tel: 7 3712 39-1302, 39-1453

Ul. Shpilkova 5 Tashkent 700031 Uzbekistan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:13:53 +1000

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: Restriction on use of Symphytum in your countries?



Comfrey tinctures restricted external use Ok plant readilly available.

regulations vary from state to state. Did you see the posting I made on the

history of Comfry's "research" in Aust. some time ago?



>The same goes for Petasites hybridus



Dont know.

 and Borago officinalis..

No restrictions although  oil mainly sold as source of GLA from seeds.

MBTFG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: trigeminal neuralgia



>I am interested in any information on the treatment of trigeminal

>neuralgia (also called tic douloureux).  This is a painful condition`

>of nerves in the face.  I appreciate any comments or advice that

>anyone may have for me.

>

>Tnanks,

>Dennis

>

I have heard that a fresh tea of lemon balm is helpfull and/or prophalatic.



Michael Bailes.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:20:21 +0100

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From:         James Morley <jm12kg@LION.RBGKEW.ORG.UK>

Subject:      Re: climbers

Comments: To: "David W. Taylor" <dwtaylor@UMICH.EDU>

In-Reply-To:  <Mailstrom.1.056UM.63661.-3114.dwtaylor@d.imap.itd.umich.edu>



On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, David W. Taylor wrote:



>         I am a graduate student at the University of Michigan in the

> Biology Department.  Presently I am investigating the species of the

> databases, would be appreciated.  I have heard of NAAPALERT, but do not

> know how to access it.  Thank you for your help in anticipation.

>

>                                 Signed, a new member of the group,

>                                         David W. Taylor

>



Send an email to Mary Lou Quinn to ask for more details on NAPRALERT:



quinn@pcog.pmmp.uic.edu



James



--------------------------------------------------------------

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Centre for Economic Botany

Royal Botanic Gardens                    Tel. (0)181 332 5719

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From:         J Wamil <JCWAMIL@SCIENCE.WATSTAR.UWATERLOO.CA>

Subject:      heart trouble



Hi there.  I was wondering what kind of herbs can be used as heart tonics

and for heart problem.  My grandmother is having troubles, and the doctor

is saying that it is because her heart isn't pumping as it should, and

that there is not enough oxygen being picked up.  Any info would be

greatly appreciated.  Thanx in advanced.



Jules



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: climbers, and databases on the net

Comments: To: dwtaylor@umich.edu



At 22:41 11.10.95 -0400, dwtaylor@umich.edu wrote:

>Apocynaceae, Bignoniaceae, Loganiaceae, Malpighiaceae, and Sapindaceae.

>I am particularly interested in finding out what is the proportion of

>climbing species (lianas, vines) that appear to have bioactive compounds

>in comparison to non-climbing species that appear to have bioactive

>compounds in each of these families.  Therefore, I would be really

>grateful to anyone who could inform me of a database that I could access

>(and how to do so) that would supply me with helpful information.



Hi David,



your research sure sounds like fun. Let us know your conclusion, ok?



... the how-tos for napralert and medline are in the medicinal herbfaq,

see my www page. Both the faq and my www page have some urls on

net-accessible databases.

And you could ask James Morley of Kew Botanical Gardens.



Having fun

Henriette

--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.

    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed



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From:         "R.M.K." <iss@RCI.RIPCO.COM>

Subject:      Re: apple seed



The toxicity of apple seed is quite negligible, and should be of no

concern unless someone is intent on doing harm to themselves.  I would

be very interested in actual LD50 levels of apple seed, if there is such

data..??.  I believe certain varieties of raspberry/ blackberry seed

also have CN compounds present.



Here in Michigan, the apple farmers who produce TONS of apple pomace...

which contain a damp mix of skins, cores, seeds, stems & pulp... mix

this with their regular cattle fodder in a ratio of 1:4.  I have been

told that if allowed to eat the pomace 'undiluted' the cattle will

develop diarrhea... nothing more...  <The 40-ton press used to produce

cider DOES crush most of the apple seed>.



Rob.

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: cat's claw / devil's claw



Devil's Claw (Harpagophytum procumbens) is a South African native so named

for the  plant's fruits being held by tiny hooks, or claws.  It has a

reputation of being an anti-inflammatory.



I have a pretty extensive herbal library, but could not find a listing of

Cat's Claw.  Could you be thinking of Cat's Foot (Antennaria dioica) ?



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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: heart trouble



In research done on vitamin C, it has been discovered that most circulatory

problem result from breakdown of the cell walls in the heart and

circulatory system from lack of sufficient vitamin C and bioflavonoids.

I have seen photos of capillary walls full of cracks and furrows from

lack of vitamin C and boiflavonoids. It seems that the vitamin C needs the

boiflavonoids to be properly absorbed. Photos taken after treatment with

large doses of vitamin C and boiflavonoids show significant healing of the

cell walls and indicate that better transfer of oxygen and nutrients is

taking place. Similar teses have been done using pycnogenols. It is

important to use large doses of these nutrients to aid the healing process.

The advantages of pycnogenols over high doses of vitamin C alone is that

pycnogenols do not thin the blood. Vitamin C can cause thinning of the

blood and is dangerous to use with anticlotting medicine *(according to

the pharmacist). Pycnogenols must be used in a therapeutic dose of 150 to

500 mg pycnogenols daily. Vitamin C shuld be used in 6-10 gram doses wiht

bioflavonoids. It's OK to use buffered vitamin C. Just make sure there is

supplementation with pycnogenols and/or boiflavonoids. Pycnogenols will

also help the oxygenation of cells.  I have used vitamin C and pycnogenols

to successfully reduce varicosities. I use 200mg pycnogenol and 2 grams

vitamin C daily. The addition of pycnogenols has made a significant

difference over vitamin C alone.



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From:         pasull <pasull@TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Re: cat's claw / devil's claw



Thanks for trying. Sorry the herb is:  Uncaria tomentosa.  Does this make

more sense???.



Maybe this will help.  >Devil's Claw (Harpagophytum procumbens) is a South

African native so named

>for the  plant's fruits being held by tiny hooks, or claws.  It has a

>reputation of being an anti-inflammatory.

>

>I have a pretty extensive herbal library, but could not find a listing of

>Cat's Claw.  Could you be thinking of Cat's Foot (Antennaria dioica) ?

>

>



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From:         "Barbara D. Mileo" <Venus432@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Rose Hips`



Hi!  :o}

     I'm new here and already I have a question.  I grew a few rose bushs

(Sweet Briar Rose and Rosa Rugosa).  The rose hips are big and beautiful but

I don't know how to dry them or use them.  I do know they are high in vitamin

C.  If anyone can help me I'd sure appreciate it.  Thank-you.

          Barbara



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From:         Ray Grout <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

Subject:      plantar fashitis



Does anybody know of remedies for plantar fashitis-pain in heel makes

walking difficult........have tried ice, massage, physiotherapy, calcium

supplementation, vit. EandC, Orthotics ,etc. . Help--any is welcome!!

joan



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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fennel seeds



In a message dated 95-10-10 17:15:58 EDT, you write:



>JLoconte@PACTIDE.NOAA.GOV (John LoConte)



Can anyone give me some ideas on how to store or prepare the surplus

     of fennel seeds in my yard?



If you intend to use the seeds in baking or other cooking, then you must

collect them from the flower heads as soon as they begin to turn brown, or

they will fall to the ground to re-seed.  I store whole dill seed heads (as

you can do with fennel) in paper bags and keep them in a cool, dry pantry in

the basement. Fennel seeds are excellent with grilled or broiled fish,

chicken, with tomato based soups, and of course, in breads, cakes & cookies.



If the seeds have already fallen to the ground, and are not cleared away, you

can expect to see the emergence of new plants in early spring.  This may

delight you, however you should consider where these plants will grow in

relation to the rest of garden.  Fennel should be grown in a bed of it's own

since most herbs won't do well in its presence, and it will stunt tomatoes

and bush beans.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:48:08 -0500

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From:         Ari Solovyova <asolovyo@INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Fo-Ti (He Shou Wu) Incompatible With Garlic??

In-Reply-To:  <a163aD2w164w@vortex.ithaca.ny.us>



Dear subscribers,



Daniel Reid says in his book "Chinese herbal medicine" that Fo-Ti (He Shou

Wu) should not be taken together with garlic and onions. Does anyone know

if this means a possibility of harmful effects, or just that Fo-Ti may be

rendered inefficient?



Thank you very much,



Ari



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 14 Oct 1995 07:00:59 EDT

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From:         KIM MAYROSE <SCAY54A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Re: appetite suppressant



-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --



ON 9/30 PAUL IANNONE WROTE:



>Eating fruit or fruit juice daily, or eating desserts within an hour

of meals, or >skipping and delaying meals, or drinking coffee because

you don't rest enough, or >not getting mild exercise daily--these are

the things that make your appetite >swing--and they can, and should, be

avoided. That is wisdom as it affects diet.



I have seen several posts about fresh fruit/juice and how it should be

avoided for various ailments and conditions.  Why is this?  I have read

that the most superior food is fruit in its natural state.  Please give

me as much information as possible about this.  I'm very confused

because my health is always better when I consume a great deal of fresh

fruit.  Particularly fruits containing high water content.



Thanks,

Kim Mayrose

West Des Moines, Iowa  USA



*********************************************

Happiness is not having what you want

Happiness is wanting what you have

*********************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:15:31 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: appetite suppressant

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <013.02898285.SCAY54A@prodigy.com> on 10/14/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I have seen several posts about fresh fruit/juice and how it should be

: avoided for various ailments and conditions.  Why is this?  I have read

: that the most superior food is fruit in its natural state.  Please give

: me as much information as possible about this.  I'm very confused

: because my health is always better when I consume a great deal of fresh

: fruit.  Particularly fruits containing high water content.



Fruit damages the digestive harmony. You may feel better when eating fruit,

for a variety of reasons having to do with your lifestyle and the harmony of

your other Organs (fruit is Cooling, so maybe you're Hot inside), but the

effect on the Stomach is unfortunate. This is only an issue with

semi-sedentary Americans. In the old days, when your tree goes into fruit, I

suppose you could make yourself sick enjoying it! With very little downside.

Now, it is just the merry-go-round of weak digestion and lifestyle imbalance.

Not surprising that this isn't recognized--after all, look at how the utterly

imbalancing habits of coffee and alcohol drinking are supported and defended!



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 14 Oct 1995 23:19:19 +0000

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From:         christopher hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      re Rose Hips



Rosa rugosa and sweet briars make excellent rose hip syrup.



Simmer the fruit in enough water to cover until soft. Strain off and retain

the water. Push the fruit through a sieve with the back of a spoon to

extract the pulp from the seeds. Throw the seeds away. Add the pulp to the

retained water. Measure. Add 2 lbs of sugar to every 1 pint of the mix.

Heat gently, stirring all the time, until the sugar is dissolved.

Don't skimp on the sugar, it is needed to preserve.

If this is too sweet for your taste then add the juice of a lemon or two.



I don't know how much vitamin C is left after all this, but it must be an

appreciable amount, since rose hips were collected for this purpose during

the war, when oranges were in short supply.



The syrup makes a good base for medicines...  'tis just a pity that so many

people are sensitive to sugar, from overuse, these days.



By the way; I noticed that replys to the question on apple seed toxicity

came out at 4 arsnics, which is wrong, to 8 cyanogenic glycosides, which is

correct. Does this mean that queries to the list have a 2:1 chance of being

answered correctly ? This is not a comment on the usefulness of this list-

which I'm sure the most informative on the Internet-



Christopher Hedley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:20:05 -0400

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From:         "Dr. Sussman" <aa062@INFO.LONDON.ON.CA>

Subject:      Sage (fwd)



The Toronto Globe and Mail reported that oil of sage may hold a key in

memory loss. It stated that acetylcholinesterase an enzyme is

inhibited

when sage is taken.

This enzyme apparently is involved in the memory loss of people who have

Altzheimer's. Dr. Elaine Perry of Newcastle General Hospital is doing

some investigative work.



I suppose people who want more information could contact her at the

hospital in the UK.



Regards Sam





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:05:13 -0400

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From:         David Tomlinson <tomlinso@NADN.NAVY.MIL>

Subject:      James Duke to talk



Dr. James A. Duke, internationally acclaimed expert on wild herbs, will

speak on "Backyard Herbal Foods and Medicines" on Thursday evening,

October 19, at 7:30 p.m. at the mansion of the Clyburn Arboretum in

Baltimore.  The talk, sponsored by the Baltimore Herb Festival, is free

and open to the public.



Dr. Duke, the author of twenty books, has recently retired as economic

botanist from the U. S. Department of Agriculture.   His 1983 book

Medicinal Plants of the Bible is, along with his Handbook of Medicinal

Herbs and the Field Guide to Medicinal Plants, often cited in popular

writing on herbs.



While he is thoroughly familiar with wild herbs of this area, having

produced a handbook of medicinal plants of the east and midwest, Dr. Duke

is also knowledgable about the plants of other countries.  He has led

herbal tours to Central and South America and to Africa.  His latest book

is an Amazonian Ethnobotanical Dictionary though he has also written

about medicinal plants of China and medicinal plants of northeastern Indians.



As an economic botanist, he has spoken authoritatively on legumes of

world economic importance, on the agricultural energy of developing

countries and on alternative cash crops.  His focus has always been on

helping people live and live well by using the plants around them.  At

present, Dr. Duke is at work on a book, Green Pharmacy, for Rodale Press.



At the Department of Agriculture, Dr. Duke and Stephen

Beckstrom-Sternberg developed PHYTOCHEMEO, a database of plants and plant

chemicals.  The exhaustive database is housed at the National Germplasm

Resources Laboratory (NGRL), Agricultural Research Service (ARS), U.S.

Department of Agriculture.  An abridged version is publicly available on

the World Wide Web at http://www.ars-grin.gov/~ngrlsb.



Since the beginning of the Baltimore Herb Festival, Dr. Duke has

regularly conducted herbal walks in Leakin Park on Festival day.



For further information contact:



David Tomlinson

(410)233-3043





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 14 Oct 1995 20:56:11 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: plantar fashitis



In a message dated 95-10-13 18:00:06 EDT, you write:



>Does anybody know of remedies for plantar fashitis-pain in heel makes

>walking difficult........have tried ice, massage, physiotherapy, calcium

>supplementation, vit. EandC, Orthotics ,etc. . Help--any is welcome!!

>joan



Have you been checked out by a Podiatrist?  You could have any number of

problems, including bursitis, circulatory problems, the onset of diabetes, a

planter's wart, or even a stress fracture.  There must be a few M.D.'s and

N.D.'s here who could help you. Best of luck!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 19:05:47 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs For Food Poisoning?



Food toxicity can have several causes of a metabolic, or pharmacological

nature.  If the symptoms are not related to food allergies, then it's

probably best to allow the body to to eliminate...and spend a few days

hugging the toilet bowl!  After that, there are many de-tox teas available to

help you regain course.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 14 Oct 1995 23:24:13 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "<Betty Coffman>" <BettLC@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rose Hips`



I once made some delicious rose hip jam.



The hardest part was getting the fruit from the pit. I tried to use a

hand-powered food mill to extract the pulp from the seeds, but I believe I

finally just cut the pulp off of the seeds. Either way, it isn't easy, but

the result was a treat.



The recipe I used was from one of Euell Gibbons' books which I no longer

have. I believe it was similar to any jam recipe but in a small quantity.



Good luck.



Bett



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 14 Oct 1995 23:16:14 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jessica Lynn White <jlwhite@ARTSCI.WUSTL.EDU>

Subject:      query

In-Reply-To:  <951013084126_122971407@mail04.mail.aol.com>



can someone please give me the address for the list dealing with

aromatherapy? Thank yyou in advance!



Jessica



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 15 Oct 1995 00:14:38 -0400

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From:         HERBALFSAL@AOL.COM

Subject:      what is Balu ?



is there anyone out there that is familiar with an herb called "BALU" ?

i have not been able to find any literature which lists it - i apologize for

the lack of information to describe it.



Sal Abbate, DVM



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 4 Oct 1995 19:05:45 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: cranberry juice



Many people are under the impression that cranberry juice makes the urine

more acidic, thereby more effective at destroying bacteria.  Others believe

the presence of hippuric acid, found in cranberry juice, adds additional

benefit.  However, hippuric acid is found in insufficient amounts, and one

would have to consume alot (about 2 pints) of cranberry juice to produce

acidic urine to be of any value in checking bacteria.



Most researchers agree that the main action of cranberry juice is that it

prevents bacterium from adhering to the lining of the bladder and urethra,

thereby inhibiting the development of infection.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 15 Oct 1995 03:35:02 EDT

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From:         Rene Burrough <100735.543@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Re: dandruff



Michael Bailes.

The closest ID I can get is two spp of Pityrosporum which are particularly

present with dandruff. Hope this helps.



Rene Burrough.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 15 Oct 1995 08:23:50 -0400

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From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: query



List for Aromatherapy is



listserv@adma.com with no subject line and "subscribe aromatherapy" (without

quotes) in the body of the message.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:16:35 -0400

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From:         Robert G Hensley <Hensleys@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: appetite suppressant



To Kim Mayrose

West Des Moines, Iowa  USA



One thing that's often missed in the modern medical paradigm, is the concept

that people are unique, with unique nutritional needs, depending on a number

of factors, including your body-type, current imbalances, activities,

routines, diet, etc. Just because a scientific study shows that 67% of people

benefit from a drug, that does mean that everyone will.



Fresh, whole, sweet, juicy fruit are very highly recommended in the world's

oldest health care system, Ayurveda. It is one of few universal

recommendations, but still there are exceptions. For a person with impurities

in the skin, dry skin, living in a dry climate, or low digestive fire that

causes incomplete digestion and poor assimilation, this particular type of

fruit is very good. For someone with too much fire, then sour-tasting fruit,

such as citrus, are not recommended. Contact me personally if you want more

info. It helps me a lot eat more sweet juicy fruit, because I am a very fiery

type.



Robert Hensley

Hensleys@aol.com

Colorado Springs, CO, USA

****************************************************************

If no one fell sick, there would be no health care crisis.

Let's focus on prevention.

****************************************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:16:31 -0400

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From:         Robert G Hensley <Hensleys@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: dandruff



Michael Bailes, et al.,



I just sawy your posting about dandruff. If you are interested in an herb

that is effective, one comes from an Ayurvedic family tradition that served

the Raja's of ancient India, and still active today. Herb is Claradendron

Infortunatum. Available only as cold-pressed extract, and only from one

source, and they supply only one company in india. I find it only in products

imported by Maharishi Ayur-Ved Products International Inc. in Colorado

Springs here. They even make a tablet with it, as well as shampoo and warm

oil treatment with it. Herb is traditionally known to attack fungus that

causes flakes, and also to help remove the extra sebum or other impurities in

the follicles that collecdt and lay the fertile ground for the fungus.



Anyone know more about it? I can't find any scientific references, althogh I

am told significant research has been done in India.

Hensleys@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:29:32 -0400

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From:         Joanna Bartlett <joannab@FREENET.SCRI.FSU.EDU>

Subject:      food allergies/ellimination diet

In-Reply-To:  <01BA97A6.BE8EB9E0@ppp-34.ts-1.hck.idt.net>



A question for those who perhaps have gone through this before: I am

currently trying to find out my food allergies, but do not have the money

to pay for an allergist.  I've read a few books on food allergy, most of

which suggest an ellimination diet.  But, of course, they all say

different things. If anyone on this list knows about this, has any

helpful suggestions, knows where else i can look on the internet,,,

please contact me via Email at AzureOtter@aol.com,,,, i know this doesn't

apply to a herbal group, and i don't want to plug up everyone else's

mailboxes.

Thank you in advance,



Sil



<smile>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:09:56 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: query



My fault.......for aromatherapy list



listserv@idma.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:28:12 -0400

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From:         Reid Winick <ReidDDS@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: food allergies/ellimination diet



Hi,



The food ellimination diet is a good idea, but consider this.  Many times

food allergies are caused because there are parasites in our gut that when

they feed off the food we eat, there by products is what gives us the

distress we think we are getting from the food we just ate.  I know I have

been there. For more information on going this direction write back.  If you

live in NY i could send u to a person who treats along these lines.



Reid



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:52:05 +0000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         MARTIN <LEEUWEN@ELENOV1.AUCKLAND.AC.NZ>

Organization: University of Auckland

Subject:      Rose Hip Pulp preparation

Comments: cc: Rob van Vroenhoven <vroenhof@knoware.nl>



Hi   In mny villages in the Netherlands  they have  schrubs of

Rugosa along the roads & in many  parks.

For many years I use to pick them on a Sunday, prepared them  heat them  and sieve

them as Cristopher  explained. except I never used sugar  but

let it cool down put it in  freezer bags or  containers  in  portions

that last  a week and  put them in the deepfreeze.

The longer you wait to pick them the higher the Vit C and sugar

content. I waited untill the outer skin alsmost started to become

soft.

As I did not wanted to lose too much I used very little water.  just

enough to cover the rosehips.

The pulp was obviously very thick.  Another way to do

is add  lemon as  Cristopher suggested  put the hot pulp  straight into

a jar.  Put  spirit  or brandy on the inside of the lid,  light it  and  while the

alcohol is burning  turn the lid  very quickly onto the jar as tight as possible the oxigen

will burn away inside the jar and the  jar is sealed and keep for  a

long time.

The above  prevent further Vit. C loss and  does away with sugar.



All the best

Martin van Leeuwen - Stramonium



Martin van Leeuwen

University of Auckland

School of Engineering

Junior/Senior Laboratories

Phone +64 9 3737599 ext 8496

fax +64 9 3737466/ 3737461



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:36:21 +0000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         MARTIN <LEEUWEN@ELENOV1.AUCKLAND.AC.NZ>

Organization: University of Auckland

Subject:      kombucha mushroom - what's the story?

Comments: To: NaturalVet@AOL.COM



From:    NaturalVet@AOL.COM

Subject: kombucha mushroom - what's the story?



Could anyone tell me if there is any real physiological or pharmalogical

benefit to drinking the kombucha "mushroom" fermented green tea ?

I know it produces glutamic and lactic acids as end products, but is there

any real benefit to these supplements, and, if so, how are they used by the

well informed?



Hi

Just read on the  Kombucha net  where they discussing the pros & cons

of kombucha tea

Please do not take it too serious

 All the best

 Martin van Leeuwen- Stramonium



From: JHS <jhs@newciv.org>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:16:12 -0700

Subject: My first day on K-Tea: A personal testimony



This is personal testimony about my first day on Kombucha-Tea.



I started 7 days ago (remember my silly questions?) and the tea

riped into a divinely sweet, heavenly smooth, superb and

delicious drink without any parallels in history.



But here is what happened on my first day

(in chronological order):



9:00  consumption of K-Tea (3.14 oz).



9:05  first five (5!) grey hairs reverted to dark-brown



9:08  erection



9:16  a wart on my left hand vanished



9:49  my sweetie complains about too much early-sunday morning

      sex, my first sex in the morning in 11 years.



10:45  the dogs are worn out after a 30-minutes marathon (during

       which I was always in the lead)



11:05  my wife is hiding in the bathroom now.



11:07  fortunately there is a mirror in the hallway, too.

       19 of my twentytwo (22!) age spots have vanished miraculously.



11:20  I dust off my Soloflex and finally start training for the

       next Heavyweight Championship (after 19 years of

       continous procrastination)



11:31  I develop a slight cough after about 59 Standing Single

       Leg Curls and 43 Abdominal Crunches. I wonder if there is

       some truth to the 'lung fungus' rumour.



11:39  I have to stop exercising because I broke off the Butterfly

       Arm from the Soloflex.



11:40  I hardly recognize my face in the mirror - no wrinkles!

       I think I start growing hair on my chest.



12:04  I hurt myself with my fingernails which have been growing

       nearly half an inch since this morning.



12:45  Some (not all) of the ladies in the neighborhood have been

       calling 911...



13:10  a police officer knocks at our door.  He forces me at gun

       point to cut my first Kombucha baby into half and hand it

       over to him in a plastic bag (incl.10% of the tea).



14:40  I have to cut my toe nails (again!)



15:41  I shred the hospital appointment for that prostate operation

       into pieces after emptying my entire bladder during one (1!)

       bathroom run.



15:55  I broke the barrel of my Belgium rifle when I was oiling it.

       At least, I have prepared myself to defend Mother Kombucha!



       (But I feel sad because I inadvertendly knocked over the old

       oak tree in the garden when I installed the barb-wired fence.)



16:10  trying to please an upset husband down the street, I helped

       him pushing his car (low battery).  Unfortunately, the door

       came off and I also broke the fender somehow. I wonder if

       the K-tea adversively affects my hand-eye coordination.



16:05  I'm still not hungry (the k-tea was the only meal today).

       The 'Detecto' (tm) medical weighing scale must be broken.

       It shows 23 (twentythree) pounds less than yesterday.



16:20  the neighbour's cat broke into the kitchen and ate the

       other half of my Kombucha baby.  Then the cat headed Northeast

       towards Universal Studios.

       I fear the worst!



So far I am pleased with the results.



My wife has a question, though: is the increased hair growth also

affecting women?



(She would like to try K-tea but got scared when she saw hair

growing on the palms of my hands).



Thanks everybody (and FAQ writers!) for all the help in preparing

my first Kombucha batch!



Joachim





Martin van Leeuwen

University of Auckland

School of Engineering

Junior/Senior Laboratories

Phone +64 9 3737599 ext 8496

fax +64 9 3737466/ 3737461



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 15 Oct 1995 21:13:47 -0500

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From:         Liz Vose <liz@ERVOSE.MV.COM>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds



Hi everyone,



This is Liz again.  When I wrote this originally, I was talking about the

vita-mix.  I only mentioned the apple seed 'cause I see no reason to grind

them up with the apples.  I like the idea of keeping poisonous things out

of my body, even in trace amounts, when at all possible.  Plus, the apples

taste better to me without little tiny bits of seeds in them.



I have found the discussion about the seeds very interesting though.  Isn't

it great to share ideas and have different preferences?



Liz



>> On 10/4 Liz from Maine wrote about the Vita-mix:

>>

>> > Some foods taste really cruddy with the skins left on, but others

>> >are better.  Just make sure you take out things like apple seeds

>> >which are poisonous.

>>

>> >Liz in Maine



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 15 Oct 1995 23:34:35 -0700

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From:         Eagle <eagle@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Re: cranberry juice



>Many people are under the impression that cranberry juice makes the urine

>more acidic, thereby more effective at destroying bacteria.  Others believe

>the presence of hippuric acid, found in cranberry juice, adds additional

>benefit.  However, hippuric acid is found in insufficient amounts, and one

>would have to consume alot (about 2 pints) of cranberry juice to produce

>acidic urine to be of any value in checking bacteria.

>

>Most researchers agree that the main action of cranberry juice is that it

>prevents bacterium from adhering to the lining of the bladder and urethra,

>thereby inhibiting the development of infection.



If you have a bladder infection and check the pH of your urine, you will

find that drinking pure cranberry juice (usually 1 quart or more per day)

will alter the pH of the urine if the pH was alkaline to begin with. If the

pH of the urine was acid to begin with, drinking cranberry juice is

contra-indicated.



Of course this does not always stop the infection, but for chronic suffers

the ability to monitor pH of urine and use cranberry to acidify or vitamin

C to make more alkaline can stop an infection before it gets started.





--

    eagle@netcom.com  -  David Eagle, OMD, LAc

    Doctor of Oriental Medicine, Licensed Acupuncturist  -  Santa Cruz, CA



The more I clear the thorns and weeds from my life, the more space there is

for the roses, lilies and lotuses of my heart's dreams to bloom.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:21:20 +0200

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From:         Gerrit Saaltink <gerrit@EDUC.UVA.NL>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds



On 16-10-1995 Liz Vose wrote about avoiding apple seeds in her vita-

mix:



> I like the idea of keeping poisonous things out

> of my body, even in trace amounts, when at all possible.  Plus, the apples

> taste better to me without little tiny bits of seeds in them.



The idea of poison is not a matter of quality but of quantity. If you

keep drinking water, there will come a moment that this becomes a

poison to your body. If you drink a few glasses vita-mix with apple-

seeds, you can discuss about the taste of it, but it is not a poison.



Gerrit Saaltink, phythotherapeut, Amsterdam



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 22:26:55 +1000

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From:         Bernhard Vock <bernhard@PEG.APC.ORG>

Subject:      guava- therapeutic use of

Comments: To: HOLISTIC@SIUCVMB.BITNET, paracelsus@teleport.com



i have heard of the successful application of guava tea (presumably from the

leaves) in a case of arthritis.

has anyone any experience, information, etc on guava- none of my references

(and there are many....) will give me any ...

thanks.



regards,

bernhard



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:17:11 -0700

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From:         Patrick Montjoie <pjm@USA1.COM>

Subject:      Re: guava- therapeutic use of  [259]

In-Reply-To:  <199510161226.WAA14906@peg.apc.org>



I also know that guava can cause constipation if taken in excess.

Thus a good remedy for  diarrhea.



Patrick



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:43:59 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: plantar fashitis



I too have suffered with planar fasciitis. I went the whole route with

therapy and orthotics which did help some. Two external applications were

found helpful. 1. Tiger balm ointment, available at health stores. 2.

Mullein-Lobelia compress. (Simmer 2 oz mullein, 1oz lobelia and 1/4 oz

capsicum in 1 qt vinegar for 20 min. Strain and apply hot to area on a

cloth. cover with Plastic wrap and keep hot for 1 hour). Mullein com0ress is

good for any joint or muscle pain too. Internally I have found only one

thing that really heals--Pycnogenols. I started taking them for a different

reaston but soon found that my knee and foot pain went away. You must

take a therapeutic dose of 150 jor more mg daily. If you skip a day the

pain comes back. I take 200 mg Pycnogenols de Masquelier daily. I use this

brand because it is pharmaceutical qualty and from grape pip, which is

higher percentage (95%) pycnogenols as compared to 85% from pine bark.

It sure beats takeing 500mg ibuprofen for pain.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 12:31:28 -0500

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From:         Dawn Finney <finney@INDY.RADIOLOGY.UIOWA.EDU>

Subject:      Remedies for Children



Hello Herb folks,



I'm in dire need of some advise and I'm hoping you all can help me.  My four

month-old son has a cold and I am unprepared information-wise to administer any

of my tried and true cold remedies to him.  I am worried that what would be

fine for an adult would be a mistake to give to a baby.  What I need to know is

what herbs I could give him and in what dosage.  (He is 17.5 pounds if you need

to know this for dosage recommendations).  I would also like to know what herbs

are absolutely off-limits for babies and if I can take anything (like vitamin C,

for example) that would be transmitted to him through breast milk?  Right now I

am giving him an echinacea extract made for children (no alcohol, orange

flavor)--any ideas on how to make something like this?  He's tolerating the

flavor much more than any brew I could make.  By the way, his name is Ian, and I

am



Dawn Finney--and thank you in advance.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:01:04 -0700

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: apple pits/ seeds

In-Reply-To:  <199510160157.VAA25463@sard.mv.net>



On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Liz Vose wrote:

[...]

> vita-mix.  I only mentioned the apple seed 'cause I see no reason to grind

> them up with the apples.  I like the idea of keeping poisonous things out

> of my body, even in trace amounts, when at all possible.  Plus, the apples

[...]



Obviously most beasties will eat the fruits with the seeds.  Allowing for

most to pass thru undigested, some will be digested.



I wonder if there is not a purpose for some of this.  Perhaps it is

nature's way to reduce certain bacteria in the gut, or ...



Somehow there is always a reason for what happens in nature.  Note, I'm

not advocating a diet of the seeds, just wondering why they contain

things that are bad if taken in large quantities.



Jack vL



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:02:19 -0400

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From:         Karen <karen@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Ho-Shou-Wu



        Does anyone have any information about Ho-Shou-Wu, I know that it is

good for the liver and kidneys along with the nervous system. Also I know it

is a treatment in healing bruises and may even stop premature graying. Does

anyone have any other information. Like side effects how long to take this

product or internal damages?



Karen Mason



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:22:19 -0400

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From:         pasull <pasull@TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Venus Fly Trap



Does anyone have any information about Venus' FlyTrap? (Dionaea muscipula).



An herbalist has recommended that I take this liquid but I don't know

anything about it.



Any help would be appreciated.



Thanks in advance!!!!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:35:35 -0600

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From:         Michael Adams <micadam@BENTLEY.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Venus Fly Trap



>Does anyone have any information about Venus' FlyTrap? (Dionaea muscipula).

>

>An herbalist has recommended that I take this liquid but I don't know

>anything about it.

>

Try:



http://www.quake.net/~xdcrlab/hp/venus.html



a report, both anecdotal and pharmacological regarding the extract made

from Venus Fly Trap plants.





======================\/======================

Michael Adams

Writer/Editor, University News & Publications

University of Northern Colorado, Greeley, Colorado 80639

micadams@mail.UnivNorthCo.edu



If it's not on fire, it's a software problem.

======================/\=======================



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:38:21 +0000

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From:         MARTIN <LEEUWEN@ELENOV1.AUCKLAND.AC.NZ>

Organization: University of Auckland

Subject:      Re: absorption of drugs via skin

Comments: To: Bernhard Vock <bernhard@peg.apc.org>

Comments: cc: paracelsus@teleport.com



> Date:          Mon, 16 Oct 1995 21:05:08 +1000

> From:          bernhard@peg.apc.org (Bernhard Vock)

> Subject:       absorption of drugs via skin

> To:            paracelsus@teleport.com



> Recently I read Messegues book 'Of plants and men' - which by the way is

> very interesting and worth while reading.

> Him being a 2nd generation French herbalist he has some very interesting

> idease and practises.

> One of them is the administration of herbal remedies via hand and foot baths.

> My questions now are:

>

> What do we know about the absorption rate thru skin?

> What is absorbed and at what rate?

>

> I would also be interested in references.

>

> regards,

> bernhard

>

Bernhard



Please find a edited copy of a message I put on the  Homoeopathy net

2nd October below.

 Ciba Geigi, Germany  and many other drug companies are using this

methodes (anti smoking ) more and more.

 The is  study done I can't find the report that stated that the

absorption rate  is around  x micro gram per 60 minutes.

 I pulled it of the net  6 months ago.

It was faster than I ever though it would be.

The so called cleansing baths in Germany, Swiss, France and here in NZ are

based on these very ancient principles.

Kneip in Germany  was one of the early practitioners who re- introduced

it  in Europe. The dosage is the standard herbal percentages  used  in

creams and lotions. Although I am using up to a hand full " fresh

herbs" ( depedent on the  herb) for a whole bath it is very much noticable

on the sensitive skin areas.

And the person acton it  within 30 minutes.



A case from my personal experience:

I lived at that time on Rakino Island NZ  the messgae came   A 40'  launch

was on drift towards the rocks. the owner could not be found.

The weather was cold and it was raining  I went  to the beach  and

swim to the boat  got hold  of the chain and  managed to keep it away from the

rocks untill there was help.

 One  hour later, when home, me stupid fool, I had hyporthermia

in the worsed case  my friends and family have ever seen.  June put

me in a bath with just a hand full warming  herbs. the herbal

constituents where almost burning on my skin.  Went to bed  and

slept for quite some time.

I learned one lesson, not to risk my live for a" Floating Gin Palace"

ever again unless there are lives at stake.  The friend of the owner had borrowed the  launch to see his

friends  and overlooked the tides.  I am thankfull for the herb

garden I tell you.



I use this way with  homoeopathic and Bach flower remedies



There are  here in NZ some  hot pools I use  for  mineral

deficiencies and arthritis, skin disorders even with skin cancer.

There juvenation of the skin is  tremendous.

Some of the hot pools  have minerals which are depleted in the food

chain.

It is also one of the cheapest  way of therapies.

> Last weekend  one of the laboratory assistants dropped  a 4 gallon

> bucket with stramonium 1:1 on the floor I started helping mopping up

> the  tincture and within  10 minutes I had all the symptoms I could

> think of  plus  some  I did not knew before. In had to eat some food

> and that  made it slowly dissappear I felt as if I  was heavy

> hypoglycemic and would faint hface like a beetroot, my hands were

> very unstable as If  I had Parkinsons,  and several  of the usual

> stramonium symptoms.

> The next day  I had still some remnants of it.

> I can  recomment every one to do this  on occasioins   because  than you really  know

> what is going on instead of  looking at a  materiamedica. Because I

> know now what  a person may feel and at what level.

> I must say  I like  it to do more of these provings.

>  I can see what Hahneman and  his followers  may have experienced.

> You may come up with new  factors as we all  have progressed and are

> confronted with  new modern miasms  etc. which may  chance the

> outcome of the proving.>





Martin van Leeuwen

University of Auckland

School of Engineering

Junior/Senior Laboratories

Phone +64 9 3737599 ext 8496

fax +64 9 3737466/ 3737461



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:47:36 -0400

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From:         Sandra Hoffman <ghidra@INFOWEB.MAGI.COM>

Subject:      Re: Remedies for Children

In-Reply-To:  <9510161731.AA25340@indy.radiology.uiowa.edu>



On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Dawn Finney wrote:



> I'm in dire need of some advise and I'm hoping you all can help me.  My four

> month-old son has a cold and I am unprepared information-wise to administer any

> of my tried and true cold remedies to him.  I am worried that what would be

> fine for an adult would be a mistake to give to a baby.  What I need to know is

> what herbs I could give him and in what dosage.  (He is 17.5 pounds if you need

> to know this for dosage recommendations).  I would also like to know what herbs

> are absolutely off-limits for babies and if I can take anything (like vitamin C,

> for example) that would be transmitted to him through breast milk?



Nothing you can give him is as good for him as your breastmilk. You are

already producing anti-bodies to the cold your baby has and they are

being fed to him in your milk. In general if I felt my babies needed some

kind of herbal boost when I was nursing them, I took the herb and they

got any benefit through what they got in my breastmilk.



A cold in a very young exclusively nursing baby can be very trying for

both mum and baby, especially if the baby has a lot of nasal congestion

making the act of nursing very difficult. Try nursing with the baby held

as upright as possible and listen for any periodic clearing of the nasal

passages and nurse then.



I remember the exhaustion that went along with my babies first colds and

sympathize with you.



sph



ghidra@magi.com



"This will do," said the bunyip to himself.

"No one can see me here. I can be as handsome as I like."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:15:51 -0700

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From:         PLANAR@EWORLD.COM

Subject:      Analytical chemistry



Please send  or "point us in the right direction" for information concerning

 the chemical analysis of herbs and essential oils.



Thanks.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 22:28:45 EDT

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Comments:     Resent-From: lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Comments:     Originally-From: "Barbara D. Mileo" <Venus432@AOL.COM>

From:         lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Subject:      Rose Hips`



Just eat them fresh off the bush!  They're tart but tasty.

                 lesley ann jones

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Hi!  :o}

     I'm new here and already I have a question.  I grew a few rose bushs

(Sweet Briar Rose and Rosa Rugosa).  The rose hips are big and beautiful but

I don't know how to dry them or use them.  I do know they are high in vitamin

C.  If anyone can help me I'd sure appreciate it.  Thank-you.

          Barbara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 16 Oct 1995 22:35:11 EDT

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Comments:     Resent-From: lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Comments:     Originally-From: J Wamil <JCWAMIL@SCIENCE.WATSTAR.UWATERLOO.CA>

From:         lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Subject:      heart trouble



Since this isn't about herbs, it's a bit off topic, but I was just

reading in this week's issue of _Science_News_ about carbon monoxide.

Researchers have found that congestive heart failures increase on days

when the carbon monoxide level is up....this would suggest that those

with heart problems should move to the country where the air is cleaner,

wear a filtering mask at all times or stay in a filtered,

air-conditioned room all the time.  Just my $0.02 worth.



lesley



----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Hi there.  I was wondering what kind of herbs can be used as heart tonics

and for heart problem.  My grandmother is having troubles, and the doctor

is saying that it is because her heart isn't pumping as it should, and

that there is not enough oxygen being picked up.  Any info would be

greatly appreciated.  Thanx in advanced.



Jules



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 17 Oct 1995 00:31:26 -0400

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From:         Robert G Hensley <Hensleys@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: guava- therapeutic use of



Ayurvedic texts refer to Guava as being beneficial for controlling diarrhoea,

as is a decoction of the bark. Decoction of the leaves is said to relieve

swollen gums and other "hot" of inflammed conditions of the mouth or gums.



All Ayurvedic herbs are used in combination though, with other herbs that

enhance the benefits, without creating other problems themselves. Guava by

itself can cause constipation if eaten in excess. And excess can mean any at

all for some people.



Robert Hensley

Hensleys@aol.com

Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA

**********************************************************

If no one fell sick, there would be no health

care crisis. Let's focus on prevention.

**********************************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 17 Oct 1995 00:31:30 -0400

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Subject:      Re: guava- therapeutic use of



The best overall approach according to stiff or painful joints in Ayurveda is

enhancing all aspects of digestion, assimilation and metabolism to avoid

producting toxins from the foods you eat. Using herbs and spices in the right

way, such as longterm use of cumin with ghee, can be beneficial. Also there

are some good herbal products at an Ayurvedic products company here in

Boulder, CO that many people have found immediately effective. My mother and

wife for example. Ask about Herbal Soothe liquid, and Herbal Soothe tablets.

You can call them at 303-473-0987 for a catalog. Try the tablets first, they

are most effective longterm.



Robert Hensley

Hensleys@aol.com

Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA

**********************************************************

If no one fell sick, there would be no health

care crisis. Let's focus on prevention.

**********************************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:29:11 +1000

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From:         frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU

Subject:      Re: James Duke to talk



>Dr. James A. Duke, internationally acclaimed expert on wild herbs, will

>speak on "Backyard Herbal Foods and Medicines" on Thursday evening,

>October 19, at 7:30 p.m. at the mansion of the Clyburn Arboretum in

>Baltimore.  The talk, sponsored by the Baltimore Herb Festival, is free

>and open to the public



David please ask him for me:

 1.When will he will be visiting Australia.

2.Can we all have access to his computer? and

3. Is he still writing terrible poetry?



Michael Bailes.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:23:32 -0500

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From:         Dawn Finney <finney@INDY.RADIOLOGY.UIOWA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Remedies for Children



This was one of the lovely messages I received to my personal mail concerning my

question of remedies for children--Dawn Finney

**********************************



In message <MAILQUEUE-101.951017124816.320@elenov1.auckland.ac.nz> MARTIN

writes:

> You wrote:

> snip

> fine for an adult would be a mistake to give to a baby.  What I need to know

> is

> what herbs I could give him and in what dosage.  (He is 17.5 pounds if you

> need

> to know this for dosage recommendations).  I would also like to know what

> herbs

> are absolutely off-limits for babies and if I can take anything (like vitamin

> C,

> for example) that would be transmitted to him through breast milk?  Right now

> I

> am giving him an echinacea extract made for children (no alcohol, orange

> ****************

> You may take  echinacea yourself  in the adult dose and the bay gets

> it nicely through the  breast milk and  not to worry

> the cold is just a detox for that child.

> You may look to  improve your own immunity,  strenght and detox

> your own body gently.

> We as parents are far more responsible than  just a bug that fly

> around.

> You may look at your own symptoms or the way you feel  do not forget

> that  when  you breast feed,  your body is under a hell of a strain

> and your  health is under yeopardy too. You  carried and  fed Ian in the

> whomb for  9 months.

> All that time Ian was competing with you for the best nutrition you

> got and even now  he is taking it out of you  and what are you doing

> to replace it with. Do you feel tired, are you  find that your

> social environment  are  getting it on their nerves with you or

> reverse etc.

> You may ask your self all these questions

> to help your self  and you lovely son  both of you deserve  a good

> health don't you think?

>

> In case you have  thoughts about it  just  come back to me if you

> wish.

>

> You may share this on the net if you wish

> Just in case you feel  this is  personal I  send it direct to you

> God Bless

>

> Martin

>

>

>

> Martin van Leeuwen

> University of Auckland

> School of Engineering

> Junior/Senior Laboratories

> Phone +64 9 3737599 ext 8496

> fax +64 9 3737466/ 3737461



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:38:22 +0000

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From:         christopher hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      re Guava



A Nicoraguan herbalist told me that Guava bark tea is used for intestinal

infections- worms, guardia etc.



I have no access so havn't tried it but most worming barks are also bitter

tonics. Bitter tonics are a major category in western herbal medicine. They

improve liver function, digestive function ans absorption of nutrients.

They are therefore good for a whole range a chronic illnesses.



The same would apply to the famous black walnut green fruit tincture.

Bitter tonics in one form or another will be benificial to most people. The

only common proviso is to add a little spice, for warmth, for cold people

and conditions.



Christopher Hedley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:56:56 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Remedies for Children



I found that nursing was the best way to dose my babies with herbal remedies

When they got colds, I drank peppermint tea and took large quantities of

vitamin C. Sometimes I took Goldenseal root capsules and Echinacea and

Myrrh. Even Cayenne pepper was OK when they had colds. Although I limited

my intake of Cayenne. It helped them and didn't hurt me amy either. I

also used a vaporizer with Eucalyptus in the bedroom, making a "tent" over

the top of the crib. Be sure it doesnn't become too confining  for the child.

I used a cue tip to remove any mucous from the nasal area (not too deep).

It helped while nursing.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:31:11 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         CAROL CROSBY <GRCC1@DIN.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>

Subject:      Prostate surgury incontinence



My father had prostate cancer surgery in July.  The operation was

successful, but he still suffers from incontinence, especially at

night.  Does anyone have any suggestions that will speed up the

recovery process or eliminate the incontinence problem?



Carol



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:37:13 -0400

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From:         Robert G Hensley <Hensleys@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Analytical chemistry



I wouls also like info on chemical analysis of herbs and aromatic oils

online. Could someone post it here if you have a lead? Thanks.



Robert Hensley

Hensleys@aol.com

Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA

**********************************************************

If no one fell sick, there would be no health

care crisis. Let's focus on prevention.

**********************************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:20:00 PDT

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From:         Ray Grout <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

Subject:      hickory nuts



Hi,

...don't know if this fits in an herb list but ...at least it's a cousin topic!

Can  anybody tell me  a good source where I might  get hickory nut meats? Or

where I might go to find this information?

Thanks

JG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:47:31 -0700

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From:         Michael Boer <boerm@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>

Subject:      Calamus Root (fwd)



Greetings, all.  This is my first posting to this list.  I have enjoyed

lurking for a few weeks, but now it is time to get to work...



Some of you have visited the Web site that I manage -- one of my projects

is an exhibit of photos shot at the University of Washington Medicinal

Herb Garden:



    URL:http://www.nnlm.nlm.nih.gov/pnr/uwmhg/



It's a labor of love: the result of the intersection of my interest in

Internet technology, photographic crafts, and a novice's desire to learn

more about herbs.  An unexpected side effect of this has been a fairly

steady stream of requests for more information.  It should be a surprise

to none of you that there is a great, global, thirst for knowledge about

herbs -- and there are many who seek the shortest path to that knowledge

(though perhaps some these seekers might settle for hasty information and

leave the gathering of knowledge to those with more patience -- but I

digress...) I am just a seeker too, no more or less sincere than any

other, and I am bolstered by the questions I have seen posted on this list

to hope that I might do a service to others by forwarding to this list

some of the questions I overhear as an Herb Garden custodian.



And so, without much further blathering, I ask your aid in addressing the

concerns described below.  I will take responsibility for summarizing any

replies and forwarding them to the seeker.  If this works, I have other

questions to share.



Respectfully yours,



[X] Michael Boer | boerm@u.washington.edu | 206-543-8262



---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:47:17 -0700

From: Don Holcombe <donh@conyers.sgi.com>

To: boerm@u.washington.edu

Subject: Calamus Root



Michael, I don't know if your are the proper person to send this to. If

you don't delve into this sort of thing could you recommend any other

person or place I might find some info on this? I was wondering if you

could help me locate info about something my grandmother used to call

Calamus Root. I'm not sure of the spelling. It may be spelled Calimas,or

Kalimus or Cailamus or some such variation. She used to soak it in whiskey

for several weeks then take it like a tonic. It might have been a way to

get a "sip" without feeling guilty but she claimed it was good for all

kinds of ailments. I have never been able to find out exactly what it was.

I would like to know its "official" name and some history if possible. I

appreciate any info you might have on this matter. Thanks!



Don Holcombe

donh@conyers.sgi.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 08:28:50 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Mary F Leunissen <mleuniss@UOGUELPH.CA>

Subject:      Re: Analytical chemistry

In-Reply-To:  <951017213712_126493630@mail06.mail.aol.com>



        I am an analytical chemist (some of the time). Exactly what is it

you would like to know? It really depends on what you're looking for.

                Mary L.



On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, Robert G Hensley wrote:



> I wouls also like info on chemical analysis of herbs and aromatic oils

> online. Could someone post it here if you have a lead? Thanks.

>

> Robert Hensley

> Hensleys@aol.com

> Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA

> **********************************************************

> If no one fell sick, there would be no health

> care crisis. Let's focus on prevention.

> **********************************************************

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:59:44 +0500

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From:         "Charles L. Rudd" <clr@DUNYO.TASHKENT.SU>

Organization: Dunyo

Subject:      Alhagi pseudoalhagi Info ????



18 Oct 95 ref 5101803



Subject: Alhagi pseudalhagi



Common_name: Camel Thorns



Family: Leguminosae



Genus: Alhagi



Species: Pseudalhagi



Habitat: Uzbekistan, Kirghizistan, Kalmytsia (Azerbaijan)



Plant Parts Used: Root, Leaves, Stems with thorns, Thorny fruit, flowers



Uses: Treatment for coughs, blood purifier, Diuretic, Skin disorders



Preparation: Tea from flowers, Dicoction of root,leaves, stems and thorns.



Remarks: This shruby plant (40-80cm) is eaten by camels. Their mouths seem

to handle without pain the sharp thorns.



We find only one local reference book "Medicinal plants in folk medicine"

by V.P. Makhlauk 1993 ISBN 5-7633-0743-7 Page 81.



I would appreciate any info on this plant from  non-Russian references.

The plant has a long history of folk medicine use and if the the camels use

it to treat themselves maybe we humans should look more closely at this

plant.



Regards,

---

Charles L. Rudd <clr@dunyo.tashkent.su>

Interconcepts Incorporated (USA)  Fax: 7 3712 56-6180

Central Asian Research Center     Tel: 7 3712 39-1302, 39-1453

Ul. Shpilkova 5 Tashkent 700031 Uzbekistan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 08:35:34 PDT

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From:         Sonya Babbitt <sonyab@REDREDROSE.LABS.TEK.COM>



The post of Michael Boer from the University

of Washington seemed like the opportune time

to ask about visiting the Medicinal Herb garden

at the University.



I would have sent this to Micheal directly but

figured others might be interested.



When can visitor go to the University of Wash.

Medicinal Herb Garden?  Can you just wonder around

in the garden or are there guided tours.



I have been wanting to get up there for some time

now.  I have heard it is the largest collection

of Medicinal Herbs at any University.  Is that

true?



Thanks for the info

Sonya Babbitt



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:33:09 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Calamus Root (fwd)



In a message dated 95-10-18 00:49:40 EDT, you write:



> I was wondering if you

>could help me locate info about something my grandmother used to call

>Calamus Root.



Calamus (Acorus americanus) is more commonly known as Sweet Flag.  It is

native to Central Asia, but has taken residence in moist, marshy regions of

 Europe and North America as well.



Calamus has been used to thwart a variety of maladies for nearly 5,000 years.

To the Orient, calamus was known as an aphrodisiac.  The Romans, Greeks and

ancient Egyptians used it as a medicinal herb, and it is also described in

the Sanskrit writings.  Calamus became popular in mid-16th century Europe

when a Viennese botanist brought the herb back with him from Asia Minor.  He

later distributed the rhizomes to other botonists of neighboring countries.

 The roots then became a popular culinary addition to soups, beers, the

Benedictine and Chartreuse liquors, and in some areas, the roots were

candied, or used for chewing gum.  The leaves, with their lemon like flavor

and scent, can be used in salads.  The floor of England's Norwich Cathedral

was strewn with calamus on holy days until the late 1800's.



If your grandmother was steeping calamus root in alcohol, she was probably

producing the famous tonic known as the Stockton bitters.  This tonic is

reputed to aid the digestion by relieving heartburn and intestinal gas.  It

is used today in homeopathy to induce appetite in cancer patients, or those

with eating disorders due to illness.  Chinese medicine treats high blood

pressure and asthma. Indian studies suggest that calumus may be useful in

treating epilepsy. It is also a popular ingredient in herbal tooth powders

and dry shampoos.  Incidentally, it deters fleas, and supposedly sterilizes

male grain weevils.



Calamus yields several essential oils including linalool, eugenol, azulene,

pinene, cineole, sesquiterpenes, and camphor.  These oils contain

cis-isoasarone which is present in varying degrees depending on the species

of calamus. European varieties contain less than 10%, and North American

varieties are essentially isoasarone free.  The Asian varieties can contain

more than 95%.  Rat studies have shown that this agent produces cancerous

tumors in the duodenal area (the intestine directly beyond the stomach) and

dysfunction of the heart and liver.  For this reason, the United States FDA

has banned the use of calamus root, and it's essential oils, since 1978.

Although these studies show that the North American type is an effective

carminative (and also an antispasmodic) the problem of indentifying the

volatile oils of certain species, and rendering a quality standarized extract

on a commercial scale remains.



Hope this information is helpful to you.



HerbalMuse@aol.com

The Herbal Muse Press

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-------------------------------------------------

"I done got so now dat I can't eat no chicken 'ceppin she's seasoned up wid

calamus root."  Brer Rabbit



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:28:18 -0400

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From:         Lesley Gibbs <GIBBS@MIDD.MIDDLEBURY.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Calamus Root (fwd)



Calamus root--isn't this sweet fern?  It is reputed to be a brain

tonic, i think, especially when combined with gotu kola.  A friend

also told me recently that calamus root gives a kick to whatever

other herbs you are taking, increasing their strength.  kinda

like taking alka seltzer with aspirin (something i've never done

personally, but supposedly there is a reason why the alka seltzer

accelerates the absorbtion of the aspirin.

Lesley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:42:13 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Michael Boer <boerm@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>

Subject:      UW Medicinal Herb Garden

In-Reply-To:  <9510181535.AA28134@redredrose.LABS.TEK.COM>



Dear Sonya et al.



The Univeristy of Washington Medicinal Herb Garden is never closed...

Like the whole UW campus, the public may visit it anytime.  There are

sometimes tours, but these are no longer on any regular schedule.  It is

entirely operated by the volunteers and you contact them thus:



The Friends of the Medicinal Herb Garden

c/o Botany Department University of Washington

Box 355325

Seattle, WA 98195-5325



206-543-1126



Rumor is that this is the largest medicinal herb collection in the

western hemisphere, but I'm not sure how one would authenticate such a

claim.  It is nevertheless a delightful place to visit.



[X] Michael Boer <boerm@u.washington.edu>

    Keeper of WWW UW Medicinal Herb Garden

    URL:http://www.nnlm.nlm.nih.gov/pnr/uwmhg/



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:48:40 EDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Prostate surgury incontinence

In-Reply-To:  Message of Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:31:11 -0500 from

              <GRCC1@DIN.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>



In response to herbs to aid recovery of prostrate cancer surgery:

Read some information about Saw Palmetto.  I recall it being beneficial

in prostrate problems.



lesley ann jones



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:51:01 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Calamus Root (fwd)

Comments: To: Michael Boer <boerm@u.washington.edu>



At 21:47 17.10.95 -0700, Michael Boer wrote:

>I was wondering if you

>could help me locate info about something my grandmother used to call

>Calamus Root.



Really easy. Acorus calamus. Sweet flag.

Imported to Eastern Europe from Asia about 1200 by the tartars, who

used pieces of root to disinfect their drinking water. Nowadays spread

over all of Europe (not too common over here). People have chewed on

bits of root to protect themselves against cholera, and people have

smoked it too. (now I have to check if Howie mentioned that in his

smoking booklet) (also check the alt.drugs faqs - I do remember

something on A.calamus there).

Uses nowadays should be easy to find now that you have the latin name.



Now I wonder why you get these easy questions and I get stuff like

'please help my friend's dad's gastritis'... (to which I invariably

answer 'tell him go see a herbalist'.)



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress          HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland.

                    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:52:20 CST

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From:         Carla Freeman <cjfreeman@MAIL.MILLIKIN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: hickory nuts



          JG



          Although I don't have any for you, I do have a nice size

          tree in my backyard.  And it has brought much enjoyment this

          Fall.  We have a couple squirrels who have been going

          non-stop through this tree.  Doubt if there are any nuts

          left now.  It's fasinating to watch them put the full green

          shell in their little mouths that must expand to no end.

          Then they crack open with what seems no problem at all - it

          takes me forever.  Then they dig little holes and bury them.

          Now you tell me how are they going to find them again this

          winter?  It's amazing.  They are yummy and what use do find

          from them if I might ask??



          cj



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:15:44 -0700

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From:         Michael Boer <boerm@U.WASHINGTON.EDU>

Subject:      treatment for migraines during pregnancy (fwd)



Here is another query from a visitor to the UW MHG.  Any suggestions?



[X] Michael Boer <boerm@u.washington.edu>

    WWW UW Medicinal Herb Garden custodian

    URL:http://www.nnlm.nlm.nih.gov/pnr/uwmhg/



---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:53:29 -0700

From: maggi burnes <jburnes@inlink.com>

Subject: treatment for migraines during pregnancy



I am considering creating another little person and every time I have been

pregnant a migraine has occured between the 7th to 9th week of gestation.

Any books or suggestions?



go lightly,

maggi     NOT JIM!!!

          ^^^^^^^^^^



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:59:09 -0400

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From:         Judith Rasoletti <rasolett@FIU.EDU>

Subject:      Strawberry Tree

In-Reply-To:  <951017195955_126398237@emout05.mail.aol.com>



Hello to all,

   Living in South Florida, we are getting ready for the planting and

harvesting season.  One of the good things that came out of Hurricane

Andrew three years ago, was that we could replant our yard with new and

"edible" trees.  Do any of you know what "hidden" properties these have?



1.  Strawberry Tree (Muntingia calabura)

Native to the tropics; very soft, velvety leaves with toothed edges; has

bright red, sweet, smooth berries (1/2 inch ?) with minute,, edible

seeds. And I mean hundreds of berries, twice a year! The flower looks

like a regular strawberry flower.  Any medicinal use?  Anyone have a

recipe for using the berries? (too many to eat in the season).



2. Star Apple (Chrysophyllum cainito)

another tropical tree, evergreen and beautiful; roundish, @ 3" fruits (we

don't have any yet).  Same questions about use.



3.  Sugar Apple (Annona squamosa)

The fruit of this tree is so sweet I can only eat half at one time.

Fruit is heart-shaped, lumpy, green, white pulp and shiny, black seeds.



I hope you don't mind taking a trip to a tropical garden - especially

with the first cold fronts arriving in the wintery climates!-

Judith



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 01:03:51 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Judith Rasoletti <rasolett@FIU.EDU>

Subject:      Wasps and bees and me

In-Reply-To:  <951017195955_126398237@emout05.mail.aol.com>



Another question:  as a child I had a life-threatening reaction to a wasp

sting (shock, heart failure).  Since then I carry the standard emergency

kit (injection, antihistamine tablets) even though the bees and I have

been getting along ok.  Someone told me that there exists a natural

antidote or emergency herbal treatment?  Any information on this?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:04:40 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Robert G Hensley <Hensleys@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Analytical chemistry



Mary L,



I was looking for a good source for chemical analysis of medicinal herbs,

specifically nutrient components such as bioflavenoids, vitamins, minerals,

tannins, etc. Is that what you mean?



Robert Hensley

Hensleys@aol.com

Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA

**********************************************************

If no one fell sick, there would be no health

care crisis. Let's focus on prevention.

**********************************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:06:24 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me



At 01:03 AM 10/19/95 -0400, you wrote:

>Another question:  as a child I had a life-threatening reaction to a wasp

>sting (shock, heart failure).  Since then I carry the standard emergency

>kit (injection, antihistamine tablets) even though the bees and I have

>been getting along ok.  Someone told me that there exists a natural

>antidote or emergency herbal treatment?  Any information on this?



The dreaded Ma Huang, or ephedra, is what I use as an anti histamine for bug

bites, mosquito bites (excellent externally, or internal for massive bites

--- I told you to bring the mosquito head netting) and wasp/bee stings.

Ideal in tincture form externally  because it is also astringent. Often I

mix with willow, for extra astringency and analgesic. People with very bad

allergic reactions to stings that I know have switched to Ma Huang, but I

would be cautious replacing the chemicals with herbs if its life threatening

...... what If you try the herbs and they don't work the first time ..... no

second chance to adjust dosage and kind of herb used.



Of course, in most "civilized" country's this herb is prescription only

..... and looks like it may become that soon here.



Howie B



"I hope that's Valerian I smell."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:01:25 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Website update & Calamus Root



> People have chewed on

>bits of root to protect themselves against cholera, and people have

>smoked it too. (now I have to check if Howie mentioned that in his

>smoking booklet)



Yes, folks smoke Calamus Root, and I'd check ayurvedic herbal

sources, like the Yoga of Herbs, etc. for more details as medicine. It is

also mentioned a number of times in the Old Testament, and was part of the

ancient "holy annointing oil" used by the Jews.



UPDATED WEB PAGES!



BTW the Herbal Smoking Mixtures Booklet is now available in a hypertext

version at

http://www.crl.com/~robbee/smoke1.html



and the Herbal Apprenticeship Page at Herbal Hall has been updated (finally)

to include more information, more plant lists (with uses) from the Pacific

Northwest of the United States, more wildcrafting principles and class

highlights.





Howie



"The difference between poison and medicine is dosage."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:50:24 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: treatment for migraines during pregnancy (fwd)



In a message dated 95-10-19 00:18:50 EDT, you write:



>Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:53:29 -0700

>From: maggi burnes <jburnes@inlink.com>

>Subject: treatment for migraines during pregnancy

>

>I am considering creating another little person and every time I have been

>pregnant a migraine has occured between the 7th to 9th week of gestation.

>Any books or suggestions?



It would seem sensible to ask if you have consulted your obstetician as to

the possible cause of migraine occuring at that particular time.  And, don't

be satisfied with a "there, there dearie" answer.  A health professional

should be as concerned as you are, and should be asking alot of questions to

determine if your pain can actually be defined as migraine, and if so, the

classification of migraine. If your care provider determines that you are

suffering migraine headaches, then the next step is to determine whether

there is arterial constriction leading to an inadequate supply of oxygen to

the brain and what is causing these vascular events.



There are effective botanical and nutritional  therapies available, but just

as with any synthetic drug, you must use extra caution if you're pregnant or

nursing a baby.  You may want to consider other therapies, such as

acupuncture, meditation, or massage, as an alternative.



If you speak to your doctor, and you both feel comfortable with using an

herbal therapy, then there are many people in this group (herbalists and

physicians) who can provide you with solid information as to which herb(s)

will provide you with relief.  Once you're armed with this knowledge, you

should consult a Naturopath (N.D.) for proper administration.



Please let us know how you make out.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:18:17 -0400

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From:         "Sage McKenzie." <TXSage@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Analytical chemistry



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:55:41 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me



Application of a crushed plaintain leaf will bring relief from any insect

bit or sting. I use them all the time.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:17:44 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Calamus Root (fwd)



Acorus calamus L. (Sweet Flag) is also called Calamus, Flagroot, Sweet Cane,

Sweet Grass, Sweetroot, Sweet Rush. It belongs to the Arum FAmaily, Araceae.

It is native to Asia and North America. It migrated to Europe in the 17th

century. Calamus grown in India is stronger than other areas. It should be

used sparingly and has a USFDA warning. It is rare or threatened in some

areas. It was listed in the US Pharmacopeia 1820-1916 and in the National

Formulary 1936-1950. It resembles Blue flag and should be properly

identified. Blue flag is toxic without proper preparation. It is claimed that

smoking the powdered rhizome will destroy the taste of tobacco and thus

helps kick the habit. American Indians had so many uses for the rhizomes

and roots that sweet flag was a valuable trading commodity. Most medicinal

uses were connected to stomach disorders. It was also used for toothache,

fever, and menstrual problems.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:57:26 EDT

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From:         KIM MAYROSE <SCAY54A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Re: Remedies for Children



-- [ From: Kim Mayrose * EMC.Ver #2.10P ] --



Dawn You Wrote:



>Right now I am giving him an echinacea extract made for children (no

alcohol, >orange flavor)--any ideas on how to make something like this?

He's tolerating the >flavor much more than any brew I could make.



I was just wondering where you purchased the orange flavor echinacea?

What brand is it?  I have always bought alcohol free, but haven't seen

the orange flavor kind.  My youngest (20 mos) hates the taste of it.

She weaned a couple of months ago but when I was still nursing, I would

take the echinacea myself whenever any of us had been exposed to

something and she was able to get it through my milk.  She didn't get

her first cold until she was nearly 11 months old, and even then it was

not a bad one at all.



Regards,



Kim Mayrose

West Des Moines, Iowa  USA

*********************************************

Happiness is not having what you want

Happiness is wanting what you have

*********************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:49:00 PDT

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From:         Ray Grout <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

Subject:      artificial sweeteners



...much nutra-sweetener and an eventual trip to the hospital because of it

later, I avoid nutra-sweet etc., like the plague.

one natural sweetener that I use is stevia.

are there others?

thanks   jg



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:49:00 PDT

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From:         Ray Grout <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>



aprox. 10 years ago my son had a playmate over to play. unfortunately they

chose a wood-pile to play in which was the home of a large and unfriendly

wasp group. son and friend came screaming ,running, with a swarm of angry

wasps surrounding them -especially the friend-who ended up with 18 stings.

As my husband batted and swatted wasps, I tried to calm the boys, and pried

off wasps and then covered the boy with meat tenderizer moistened with water..

An hour later you could hardly find some of the sting sites...even for a

body   not allergic, 18 stings is a lot to cope with .

I'm not suggesting this as a substitute for the kit for allergic reactions!

but I treat all of our routine stings with the tenderizer and it always

helps. It is the papain in it that does the good-perhaps there is a more

convenient way to carry the papain?

...and in the event no medical help is readily availabe, papain might be

better than nothing.

jg



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Ray Grout <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>



re:  hickory nut meat and what i want them for

my father is here visiting....he is not an internet-nut...I was hoping to

help him find out where he can get hickory nut meat to impress him and

thereby  to convert him into an internet-nut.

 His mother used to make a cookie that called for hickory nuts......he

doesn't know where she used to get the nut meat (and she can't tell us

because she is long gone...her source would probably not be currently

available anymore anyway because I am not young, which makes my Dad even

not-younger,  but we are both extending ours lives with herbs and other

life-changes, he having survived a heart attack and 5-by-pass surgery, and

I'm battling the bulge...but back to nuts)...

any nuts around are sooooo hard....(but not for squirrels who usually bury

them in the garden ( which you can see when you till it up) but somewhere,

somebody must harvest the meat ??????but where????

thanks for any info.

jg



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:03:07 -0700

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From:         Francesca <skeevers@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Ear problems

Comments: To: HOLISTIC <HOLISTIC%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>



I've been having some problems with my ears lately, mostly my right one --

it feels stuffed up, kind of uncomfortably-full, and I am occasionally

getting shooting pains through my ear and my jaw on that side.  When I

yawn, it does not pop.  I am starting to notice that I'm not hearing as

well through it as I normally do.



Any recommendations on what I should do to fix it?  (Please assume that I

am too poor to see an acupuncturist... :)



Bon

|)(|



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:09:15 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners



In a message dated 95-10-19 18:42:50 EDT, you write:



>..much nutra-sweetener and an eventual trip to the hospital because of it

>later, I avoid nutra-sweet etc., like the plague.

>one natural sweetener that I use is stevia.

>are there others?

>thanks   jg



I simply use either honey, granulated sugar, or "sugar in the raw" if I can

find it.  Of course, I'm not diabetic, or have any other condition which

restricts my sugar intake.



Most people can use nutra-sweet with ill effects.  But, I'm not one of them.

 When it first hit the market several years ago, I was exposed to it in

samples of "Crystal Light" and marketed iced tea mixes.  After two weeks I

was waking up with tremors and cold sweats during the night.  Leg cramps too.

 That was the end of nutra-sweet for me! And, I avoid it altogether with you

JG!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:12:21 -0400

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From:         Beth Martino <Whitewic@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ear problems



Do you by any chance suffer from allergies or sinus problems?  It may be

inflammation of the eustacian tubes or a blockage from mucous secretions.

 Whitewic@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:20:57 -0400

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From:         Karen <karen@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Re: treatment for migraines during pregnancy (fwd)



my son gets migraines and used to take midrin for them, the medicine has

since run out. I am looking for herbal remedies. He is 13 and 5'5" about 106

pounds. any suggestions?



Karen Mason



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:42:01 -0400

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From:         Mark Gold <mgold@MAX.TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners

Comments: cc: mgold@tiac.net



>Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:49:00 PDT

>From:         Ray Grout <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

>Subject:      artificial sweeteners

>To:           Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

>

>...much nutra-sweetener and an eventual trip to the hospital because of it

>later, I avoid nutra-sweet etc., like the plague.

>one natural sweetener that I use is stevia.

>are there others?

>thanks   jg



Ray,



I'm glad that you are off aspartame/NutraSweet as it's very bad news

(whether you react to it immediately or not).



In addition to stevia, you can try using Barley Malt (510/569-9731),

Rice Syrup, Sucanat (evaporated sugar cane) (800/997-7358), diluted

fruit juice, Licorice Root are *part* of an herbal tea, and unflavored

amasake.  Most of these products can be found at your local natural foods

store.  Of course, I don't recommend sweeteners in large amounts, but

you may want to experiment with them.



Hope this helps.



Best regards,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

             http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/health.html

        (Web articles on Food & Nutrition, Yoga, aspartame,

         sweetener resources, stevia, toxic carpeting, rBGH,

        detoxification.  Much more to come. Lots of links to

          medical and holistic healing sites.  Will email

             articles if you do not have WWW access.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:49:15 -0800

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From:         Mark Rothenberg <rothenmr@SCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: treatment for migraines during pregnancy (fwd)



As a child my wife had terrible migraines, as told to me by her mother.  My

mother-in-law stated she increased my wifes intake of vitamin B-1, in fact

she increased her intake of of all B-vitamins.  Most recently, 4 years ago,

my wife stopped taking extra B vitamins and recieved her first migraine.

She immediately restarted consuming a B-Complex vitamin and has not had a

migraine since.  This may be a good start for your son.  My wife takes a

multi-vitamin, in addition to the B-complex.  You may want to try 1

B--complex for several weeks before increasing it to 2 per day if the 1

doesn't work.  Make sure he takes them regularly so you can monitor his

progress.  Hope this helps.



>my son gets migraines and used to take midrin for them, the medicine has

>since run out. I am looking for herbal remedies. He is 13 and 5'5" about 106

>pounds. any suggestions?

>



Mark Rothenberg

rothenmr@sce.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:55:11 -0800

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From:         Mark Rothenberg <rothenmr@SCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners



Just be careful with honey.  While processed white sugar has 850 calories

per tablespoon, honey has 1031.  The only difference is that honey is

sweeter so therefore you would use less.  Don't substitute  honey for

processed white sugar in baking like-for-like.  In addition, to increasing

the sweetness, your also adding more liquid.



Mark from Alhambra

rothenmr@sce.com

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- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

>>..much nutra-sweetener and an eventual trip to the hospital because of it

>>later, I avoid nutra-sweet etc., like the plague.

>>one natural sweetener that I use is stevia.

>>are there others?

>>thanks   jg

>

>I simply use either honey, granulated sugar, or "sugar in the raw" if I can

>find it.  Of course, I'm not diabetic, or have any other condition which

>restricts my sugar intake.

>

>Most people can use nutra-sweet with ill effects.  But, I'm not one of them.

> When it first hit the market several years ago, I was exposed to it in

>samples of "Crystal Light" and marketed iced tea mixes.  After two weeks I

>was waking up with tremors and cold sweats during the night.  Leg cramps too.

> That was the end of nutra-sweet for me! And, I avoid it altogether with you

>JG!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:57:56 -0400

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From:         David Varga <dvarga@CAPACCESS.ORG>

Subject:      Prostrate trouble prevention



Does anyone have any information on prostrate care ~before~ there is

a prostrate problem?  I am 40 years old and do not presently have a

problem with it.  But I am curious anyway.  Please reply to the list

instead of me directly if possible!





-Dave Varga



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:11:04 +0000

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From:         MARTIN <LEEUWEN@ELENOV1.AUCKLAND.AC.NZ>

Organization: University of Auckland

Subject:      Wasps and bees and me

Comments: To: Judith Rasoletti <rasolett@FIU.EDU>



Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 01:03:51 -0400

From:    Judith Rasoletti <rasolett@FIU.EDU>

Subject: Wasps and bees and me



Another question:  as a child I had a life-threatening reaction to a wasp

sting (shock, heart failure).  Since then I carry the standard emergency

kit (injection, antihistamine tablets) even though the bees and I have

been getting along ok.  Someone told me that there exists a natural

antidote or emergency herbal treatment?  Any information on this?



There are very good remedies for it

The mother of my daughters used to be very allergic to stings.

while I play with them  as  great friends  when near a beehive.

During my practice I  helped many and my wife at that time  on the

following:

 Calendula  10% tincture neat on the sting wound.

and  orally:  Ledum 12X or 30C  every 10 min  the  first few hours

then  thrice daily for a few days.  You wil see it for your self  it will

not  flair up that fast if you keep on top of it. Do not hesitate to

keep the wound moist with calendula tincture for a while.



all the best

Martin van Leeuwen-Stramonium





Martin van Leeuwen

University of Auckland

School of Engineering

Junior/Senior Laboratories

Phone +64 9 3737599 ext 8496

fax +64 9 3737466/ 3737461



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:22:39 -1000

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From:         PC Consultants <twheeler@MAUI.NET>

Subject:      Re: Ear problems



>I've been having some problems with my ears lately, mostly my right one --

>it feels stuffed up, kind of uncomfortably-full, and I am occasionally

>getting shooting pains through my ear and my jaw on that side.  When I

>yawn, it does not pop.  I am starting to notice that I'm not hearing as

>well through it as I normally do.



Hi Bon:



I'm not a doctor or anything, but I'm taking an herbal course and we just

learned how to make basic oils and salves.  The teacher recommends an Oil of

Mullein Flowers as "the remedy par excellence for ear infections.  It is

good for both inflammation of the inner and outer ears".



Solar methods of steeping flowers in oil are a little better, but I suspect

you're in a hurry, so if you feel like making your own, try:



Mullein Flower Oil



Put about 5 oz dried or wilted (not totally fresh) mullein flowers

 in a pan that has a tight fitting lid

Add enough olive oil to cover flowers and have 2-3 in oil on top

Put in oven heated to 150-200 degrees for 2-3 hours

(Check every 30 min or so--you don't want it to boil)

Strain through cheese cloth

Drop 2-3 drops of WARM oil in ear several times/day



Hope this helps!



Martha



Or do the same, but use garlic



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:06:09 -0300

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From:         CB Leek <cleek@TERRA.NLNET.NF.CA>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners



>Just be careful with honey.  While processed white sugar has 850 calories

>per tablespoon, honey has 1031.  The only difference is that honey is

>sweeter so therefore you would use less.  Don't substitute  honey for

>processed white sugar in baking like-for-like.  In addition, to increasing

>the sweetness, your also adding more liquid.

>

>Mark from Alhambra

>rothenmr@sce.com



According to my sources, and I quote from Netzer's 'Complete Book of Food

Counts':



   1 Tbsp  granulated sugar       44 calories

   1 CUP   granulated sugar      753 calories



   1 Tbsp  Honey                  60 calories

   4 oz    Honey                 345 calories

   1 CUP   Honey                 790 calories



The rest of your advice, especially re: the liquid increase in your recipes,

is most accurate.  You must decrease the corresponding fluids by the fluid

measure of your honey.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:28:56 -0800

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From:         Mark Rothenberg <rothenmr@SCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners



>>Just be careful with honey.  While processed white sugar has 850 calories

>>per tablespoon, honey has 1031.  The only difference is that honey is

>>sweeter so therefore you would use less.  Don't substitute  honey for

>>processed white sugar in baking like-for-like.  In addition, to increasing

>>the sweetness, your also adding more liquid.

>>

>>Mark from Alhambra

>>rothenmr@sce.com

>

>According to my sources, and I quote from Netzer's 'Complete Book of Food

>Counts':

>

>   1 Tbsp  granulated sugar       44 calories

>   1 CUP   granulated sugar      753 calories

>

>   1 Tbsp  Honey                  60 calories

>   4 oz    Honey                 345 calories

>   1 CUP   Honey                 790 calories

>

>The rest of your advice, especially re: the liquid increase in your recipes,

>is most accurate.  You must decrease the corresponding fluids by the fluid

>measure of your honey.



Reply from rothenmr@sce.com

--------------------------------

You have refreshed my memory.  It was not per tablespoon it was per cup.

The particular honey that I purchased was 1031 calories per cup.  Thanks

for correcting me.  Although, you can't rely on what a reference book

states as compared to the product label.  Reference books are just that, a

reference.  Thanks.



Mark from Alhambra

rothenmr@sce.com or 103071.1636@compuserve.com

---------------------------------------



Mark Rothenberg

rothenmr@sce.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:27:03 -0700

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From:         John Reuter <jwr@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Wheres the Ech



Can somebody please help me with my quest ?

What I seek is Echinacea.

Not just any Ech. But Freash Echinacea root

Many Thanks



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:41:03 -0600

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From:         Kathie Hoagland <KMH6441AGRI@LYNX.APSU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: treatment for migraines during pregnancy (fwd)



Try feverfew.  There is an article on herbal remedies in Consumer Reports

this month and they seem impressed by feverfew as a migraine treatment.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 21:56:50 -0400

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From:         Karen <karen@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Re: treatment for migraines during pregnancy (fwd)



I had heard this in the past, but understood it makes you sleepy? is that true?

Karen



At 08:41 PM 10/19/95 -0600, Kathie Hoagland wrote:

>Try feverfew.  There is an article on herbal remedies in Consumer Reports

>this month and they seem impressed by feverfew as a migraine treatment.

>

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:09:43 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners



In a message dated 95-10-19 19:57:20 EDT, you write:



>Just be careful with honey.  While processed white sugar has 850 calories

>per tablespoon, honey has 1031.



Did you say 1,031 calories up there?  Per tablespoon?  Are you sure? I'll

enjoy thinking about that while stirring my tea in the morning! And, I often

use honey in making bread.  Oh boy.



What about raw sugar?  You'll have me running to the natural foods store to

check out the alternative sweeteners in no time!  Thanks for your response!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:34:53 -0800

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From:         Mark Rothenberg <rothenmr@SCE.COM>

Subject:      artificial sweeteners

Comments: To: HerbalMuse@AOL.COM



I was corrected.  Honey has around 800+ calories per cup (not tablespoon),

although I recently purchased a honey that had 1031 calories per cup.

While honey has more calories than processed white sugar it is sweeter,

therefore, you will use less honey.  You stated you put a tablespoon of

honey in your tea, and also bake with it.  If using white sugar you would

have to use more to get the same sweetness as honey, therefore, adding more

calories.



Mark Rothenberg

rothenmr@sce.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:39:45 EDT

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Comments:     Resent-From: lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Comments:     Originally-From: David Varga <dvarga@CAPACCESS.ORG>

From:         lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Subject:      Prostrate trouble prevention



My knowledge in this area is extremely limited.  I have read that Saw

Palmetto is beneficial in cases of prostrate *problems* but I am not

certain about prevention.



lesley ann jones



----------------------------Original message----------------------------

Does anyone have any information on prostrate care ~before~ there is

a prostrate problem?  I am 40 years old and do not presently have a

problem with it.  But I am curious anyway.  Please reply to the list

instead of me directly if possible!





-Dave Varga



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:10:40 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Prostrate trouble prevention



In a message dated 95-10-19 20:03:05 EDT, you write:



>Does anyone have any information on prostrate care ~before~ there is

>a prostrate problem?  I am 40 years old and do not presently have a

>problem with it.  But I am curious anyway.



Yes..I'm a writer and I've been doing some research on this topic in

preparation for an approaching assignment.  I've learned that 60% of men

between the ages of 40 and 60 suffer from BPH, or an enlarged prostrate. One

of the primary reasons for this is a fall off of the hormone levels in men of

this age group.  As testosterone levels decrease, levels of other hormones,

especially potent androgens, (or those hormones responsible for male

characteristics) are on the rise.  One of these androgens is

dihydrotestosterone, which is derived from testosterone, and is found in

concentrated levels in the prostrate.  This is due to the fact that

dihydrotestosterone and testosterone were formally metabolized in the

prostrate and excreted, but as the testosterone level dwindled, and other

hormones increased and inhibited this metabolism, what testosterone is

present is converted to dihydrotestosterone. This results in the

overproduction of prostrate cells, and eventually, enlargement of the

prostrate.



There's hope!  And prevention.  Studies show that adequate zinc intake,

particularly zinc picolinate, prevents the ezyme 5-alpha-reductase from

irreversibly converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (which causes

prostrate enlargment in the first place) and paves the way for normal

metabolism and excretion of both hormones.



Did I lose 'ya?  It's easier reading from here on.  A popular folklore remedy

for prostrate difficulties has been Saw Palmetto (Serenoa repens), or more

specifically, the extract of the berries.  Without getting technical, suffice

it to say that studies have shown that this extract does indeed inhibit the

over-production of dihydrotestosterone.  In addition, having learned what you

have about the importance of zinc, you should also know that Panax ginseng

increases testosterone levels AND improves the absorption of zinc.



Generally, if you're in this age group, and seeking BPH prevention, see to it

that you get an adequate amount of zinc in your diet, and essential fatty

acids (known as EFA complex--try pumpkin seeds!!), and 25-50 mg. of Panax

ginseng per day.  If you are already developing problems, a good naturopathic

physician can formulate a course of treatment for you.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 21:59:32 -0700

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From:         Robin Martino <amartino@ADNETSOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: treatment for migraines during pregnancy (fwd)



Karen - I read alot of different publications and feverfew always comes up as

the herb for migraines.  Since I've never been afflicted, I didn't pay much

attention to the whys and wherefors but I think it would be easy to find out

more at the Library.  Good luck.  Robin in CA



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Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 07:41:06 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners - Reply



<< A company in Maryland has invented something called "D-Tagatose", which

is identical to real sugar except it is the molecular mirror image.  Because

of this difference, it  is not absorbed and is passed through the body.

 Also, it has the same bulk properties as sugar, same sweetness, etc.

It is being marketed in Europe in chocolates for diabetics.  The company

can be reached at (301) 419-3900.  FDA is currently considering approval

for use in the US.



>>> Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM> 10/19 6:09 pm >>>

In a message dated 95-10-19 18:42:50 EDT, you write:



>..much nutra-sweetener and an eventual trip to the hospital because of

it

>later, I avoid nutra-sweet etc., like the plague.

>one natural sweetener that I use is stevia.

>are there others?

>thanks   jg



I simply use either honey, granulated sugar, or "sugar in the raw" if I

can find it.  Of course, I'm not diabetic, or have any other condition

which restricts my sugar intake.



Most people can use nutra-sweet with ill effects.  But, I'm not one of

them.

 When it first hit the market several years ago, I was exposed to it in

samples of "Crystal Light" and marketed iced tea mixes.  After two weeks

I was waking up with tremors and cold sweats during the night.  Leg cramps

too.

 That was the end of nutra-sweet for me! And, I avoid it altogether with

you

JG!



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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Ear problems - Reply



<<  The shooting pains could stem from TMJ; the hearing loss from fluid.

 I suggest you see an ear specialist at once.  An audiogram will determine

whether there is any hearing loss.  Beyond that, some doctors prescribe

diazide - a diuretic - to reduce any fluid in the inner ear.  I myself

am looking for an acupuncturist to treat unexplained inner hear hearing

loss.  If you have no insurance, it might be les expensive to visit and

acupuncturist.



>>> Francesca <skeevers@NETCOM.COM> 10/19 5:03 pm >>>

I've been having some problems with my ears lately, mostly my right one

-- it feels stuffed up, kind of uncomfortably-full, and I am occasionally

getting shooting pains through my ear and my jaw on that side.  When I

yawn, it does not pop.  I am starting to notice that I'm not hearing as

well through it as I normally do.



Any recommendations on what I should do to fix it?  (Please assume that

I am too poor to see an acupuncturist... :)



Bon



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Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:40:31 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Ear problems



This is a problem that may respond to ear candles. I was introduced to them

about three years ago. They can do miraculous things. Ear candling is an

ancient form of treating ear pronblems that was used by may ancient folk.

They consist of a long tube about 11-12 in long, either straight or coned.

The tubes are usually waxed (not always the case). One end of the tube is

placed in the ear and the other end is set on fire. The heat from the fire

draws impurities, wax and fungus from the ear. It works really slick.

There are videos available as well as commercially made candles (about $2-3)

I saw advertisements in Vegetarian magazine and some herb magazines.

I've been trying to make my own candles. If you want information, I can

e-mail you some later.



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Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:47:52 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: treatment for migraines during pregnancy (fwd)



Feverfew should not make you sleepy. My daughter uses it daily to prevent

migraines. She also uses homeopathic detox and adrenal complex and a

herbal female tonic. All of this was prescribed by a Homeopath for her

particular problem. Feverfew must be used regularly to be effective and it

should be a fairly potent form. The brand makes a difference. We use some

that is supplied by the Homeopath. The causes of migraines are varied and

should be diagnosed by a competent natural physician. Accupuncture works

exceptionally well.



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Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:59:20 EDT

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From:         Study Abroad Advisor <Catherine.Marquardt@EMICH.EDU>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners



Brown rice syrup and barley malt are the least stressful sweeteners

for your body. It takes awhile to appreciate their flavor - when I first

tried them, I thought they were pretty tasteless, but once you get

used to them, they're incredibly flavorful.  There is also something out

there called Sucanat (or something like that) which is the same texture as

sugar/sweetener.



Catherine Marquardt



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From:         Lynda Swink <lswink@PRIMENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ear problems



>I've been having some problems with my ears lately, mostly my right one --

>it feels stuffed up, kind of uncomfortably-full, and I am occasionally

>getting shooting pains through my ear and my jaw on that side.  When I

>yawn, it does not pop.  I am starting to notice that I'm not hearing as

>well through it as I normally do.

>

>Any recommendations on what I should do to fix it?  (Please assume that I

>am too poor to see an acupuncturist... :)

>

>Bon

>|)(|



Bon,



        Sounds like a blockage in the ear canal and/or infection.  Do you

have allergy and sinus problems too?



        If this is the case, swelling in the area could be trapping air in

the canal.  If it is infected you could also have fluid there as well.

(Yech, I have these problems often)



        If the problem is very recent, I would suggest you try flushing

your sinus with *lukewarm* salt water.



        Mix about 1/2 tsp. of salt with 2 cups water, test to make sure

it's not too hot.  Then use a long necked baby's bulb seringe to take up

the solution and expell it into your nose.   WARNING: Do this leaning over

the sink.



        If the solution feels like it's burning you may have too little

*or* too much salt (both will cause a stinging)  it may take time to adjust

the mix.



        If you do this morning and night and pain does not seem to be

getting better or worsens with in a couple of days,  don't mess around go

get professional help.  These symptoms could cause permanent hearing loss!



Hope this helps,





Lynda Swink

lswink@primenet.com





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Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:30:35 -0400

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From:         Laurie Bock <TWINSWA@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Remedies for Children



You might try a line called HERBS FOR KIDS 1-800-735-0299.  I give them to my

two year old twins all the time and they think they are dessert.  If I do not

hide them in my pantry, they ask for them all the time.  They have a full

line of herbs formulated for children in a glycerine base.



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Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:48:49 -0500

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From:         Dawn Finney <finney@INDY.RADIOLOGY.UIOWA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners (LONG)



Hi folks, thought I'd share this article I found on the net about NutraSweet.

It is LONG, but pretty interesting--it links aspartamine (Nutrasweet) to FDA

coverups, chemical warfare, and some Nazis.





                               NutraSweet [TM]

                               The NutraPoison



                            by Alex Constantine

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

              I recognized my two selves: a crusading idealist

           and a cold, granitic believer in the law of the jungle.

             -Edgar Monsanto Queeny, Monsanto chairman, 1943-63,

                     *The Spirit of Enterprise*, 1934.



The FDA is ever mindful to refer to aspartame, widely known as NutraSweet, as a

"food additive"-never a "drug." A "drug" on the label of a Diet Coke might

discourage the consumer. And because aspartame is classified a food additive,

adverse reactions are not reported to a federal agency, nor is continued safety

monitoring required by law.1 NutraSweet is a non-nutritive sweetener. The brand

name is misnomer. Try Non-NutraSweet.



Food additives seldom cause brain lesions, headaches, mood alterations, skin

polyps, blindness, brain tumors, insomnia and depression, or erode intelligence

and short-term memory. Aspartame, according to some of the most capable

scientists in the country, does. In 1991 the National Institutes of Health, a

branch of the Department of Health and Human Services, published a bibliography,

*Adverse Effects of Aspartame*, listing not less than 167 reasons to avoid it.2



Aspartame is an rDNA derivative, a combination of two amino acids (long supplied

by a pair of Maryland biotechnology firms: Genex Corp. of Rockville and

Purification Engineering in Baltimore.)3 The Pentagon once listed it in an

inventory of prospective biochemical warfare weapons submitted to Congress.4 But

instead of poisoning enemy populations, the "food additive" is currently

marketed

as a sweetening agent in some 1200 food products.



In light of the chemo-warfare implications, the pasts of G.D. Searle and

aspartame are ominous. Established in 1888 on the north side of Chicago, G.D.

Searle has long been a fixture of the medical establishment. The company

manufactures everything from prescription drugs to nuclear imaging optical

equipment.5



Directors of G.D. Searle include such geopolitical heavy-hitters as Andre M. de

Staercke, Reagan's ambassador to Belgium and Reuben Richards, an executive vice

president at Citibank. Also Arthur Wood, the retired CEO of Sears, Roebuck & C

disgorged by the clan of General Robert E. Wood, wartime chairman of the America

First Committee.6 America Firsters, organized by native Nazis cloaked as

isolationists, were quietly financed by the likes of Sullivan & Cromwell's Allen

Dulles and Edwin Webster of Kidder, Peabody.7



Until the acquisition by Monsanto in 1985, the firm's chairman was William L.

Searle, a Harvard graduate, Naval reservist and-a grim irony in view of

aspartame's adverse effects-an officer in the Army Chemical Corps in the early

1950s, when the same division tested LSD on groups of human subjects in concert

with the CIA.8 The chief of the Chemical Warfare Division at this time was Dr.

Laurence Laird Layton, whose son Larry was convicted for the murder of

Congressman Leo Ryan at Jonestown ("Come to the pavilion! What a legacy! ").

Jonestown, of course, bore a remarkable likeness to a concentration camp, and

kept a full store of pharmaceutical drugs. (The Jonestown pharmacy was stocked

with a variety of behavior control drugs: qualudes, valium, morphine, demerol

and

11,000 doses of thorazine-a better supply, in fact, than the Guyanese

government's own, not to mention a surfeit of cyanide.9)



Dr. Layton was married to the daughter of Hugo Phillip, a German banker and

stockbroker representing the likes of Siemens & Halske, the makers of cyanide

for

the Final Solution, and I.G. Farben, the manufacturer of a lethal nerve gas put

to the same purpose.10 Dr. Layton,a Quaker, developed a form of purified uranium

used to set off the Manhattan Project's first self-sustaining chain reaction at

the University of Chicago in 1942 by his wife's German-born Uncle, Dr. James

Franck. At Dugway Proving Ground in Utah, Dr. Layton concentrated his efforts,

as

did I.G. Farben, on the development of nerve gasses.11



Dr. Layton later defended his participation in the Army's chemical warfare

section: "You can blow people to bits with bombs, you can shoot them with

shells,

you can atomize them with atomic bombs, but the same people think there's

something terrible about poisoning the air and letting people breath it.

Anything

having to do with gas warfare, chemical warfare, has this taint of horror on it,

even if you only make people vomit."12



Nazis and chemical warfare are recurring themes in the aspartame story.

Currently, the chief patent holder of the sweetener is the Monsanto Co., based

in

St. Louis. In 1967, Monsanto entered into a joint venture with I.G.

Farbenfabriken, the aforementioned financial core of the Hitler regime and the

key supplier of poison gas to the Nazi racial extermination program. After the

Holocaust, the German chemical firm joined with American counterparts in the

development of chemical warfare agents and founded the "Chemagrow Corporation"

in

Kansas City, Missouri, a front that employed German and American specialists on

behalf of the U.S. Army Chemical Corps.13



Dr. Otto Bayer, I.G.'s research director, had a binding relationship with

Monsanto chemists.14 In the post-war period, Dr. Bayer developed and tested

chemical warfare agents with Dr. Gerhard Schrader, the Nazi concocter of Tabun,

the preferred nerve gas of the SS. Schrader was also an organophosphate pioneer,

and tested the poison on populated areas of West Germany under the guise of

killing insects.15 Schrader's experiments reek suspiciously of the ongoing

aerial

application of malathion-developed by Dr. Schrader, a recruit of the U.S.

Chemical Warfare Service when Germany surrendered-in present-day Southern

Califonia.16



Another bridge to I.G. Farben was Monsanto's acquisition of American Viscose,

long owned by the England's Courtauld family. As early as 1928, the U.S.

Commerce

Department issued a report critical of the Courtauld's ties to I.G. Farben and

the Nazi party.17 Incredibly, George Courtauld was handed an appointment as

director of personnel for England's Special Operations Executive, the wartime

intelligence service, in 1940.18 A year later, with the exhaustion of British

military financial reserves, American Viscose, worth $120 million was put on the

block in New York. The desperate British treasury received less than half that

amount from the sale, brokered by Siegmund Warburg, among others. 19 Monsanto

acquired the company in 1949.20



The Nazi connection to Monsanto crops up again on the board of directors with

John Reed, a former crony of "Putzi" Hanfstangl, a Harvard-bred emigre to

Germany

who talked Hitler out of committing suicide in 1924 and contributed to the

financing of *Mein Kampf*. 21 Reed is also chairman of Citibank and long a

confederate of the CIA. According to a lawsuit filed by San Francisco attorney

Melvin Belli, Reed was an instigator, with Ronald Reagan, James Baker and

Margaret Thatcher, of the "Purple Ink Document," a plan to finance CIA covert

operations with wartime Japanese gold stolen from a buried Philippine hoard.22



Other covert military connections to Monsanto include Dr. Charles Allen Thomas,

chairman of the Monsanto Board, 1965[?]. Dr. Thomas directed a group of

scientists during WW Il in the refinement of plutonium for use in the atomic

bomb. In the postwar period Monsanto operated Tennessee's Oak Ridge National

Laboratories for the Manhattan Project.23 (Manhattan gestated with the Oak Ridge

Institute for Nuclear Studies, where Lethal doses of radiation were tested on

200

unwary cancer patients, turning them into "nuclear calibration devices" gratis

the AEC and NASA, until 1974. 24) Nazi scientists and a 7,000 ton stockpile of

uranium were delivered to the Project by its security and counter-intelligence

director, Col. Boris Pash, a G2 designate to the CIA's Bloodstone program-and

the

*eminence grise* of PB/7, a clandestine Nazi unit that, according to State

Department records, conducted a regimen of political assassinations and

kidnappings in Europe and the Eastern bloc.25



Monsanto Director William Ruckelshaus was an acting director of the FBI under

Richard Nixon, a period in the Bureau s history marred by COINTELPRO outrages,

including assassinations. Nixon subsequently appointed Ruckelshaus to the

position of EPA director, a nagging irony given his ties to industry (Browning

Ferris and Cummins Engine Co.). CIA counterintelligentsia on the Monsanto board

include Stansfield Turner, a former Director of Central Intelligence, and Earle

H. Harbison, an Agency information specialist for nineteen years.



Harbison is also a director of Merrill Lynch, and thus raises the spectre of CIA

drug dealing. ln 1984 President Ronald Reagan's Commission on Organized Crime

concluded that Merrill Lynch employed couriers "observed transferring enormous

amounts of cash through investment houses and banks in New York City to Italy

and

Switzerland. Tens of millions of dollars in heroin sales in this country were

transferred over seas." Merrill Lynch invested the drug proceeds in the New

bullion market before making the offshore transfers. 26



As might be expected in view of Monsanto's Nazi, chemical w are and CIA ties,

NutraSweet is a can of worms unprecedented in the American food industry. The

history of the product is laden with flawed and fabricated research findings

and,

when necessary to further the product along, blatant lies-the basis of FDA

approval and the incredulity of independent medical researchers.



Senator Metzenbaum described the FDA as "the handmaiden'' of the drug industry

in 1985, but she comports under all regimes. In the Clinton administration for

example, Mike Taylor was graced with the position of deputy director of the FDA.

Taylor is a cousin of Tipper Gore, Vice President Albert Gore's wife, and once

an

outside counsel to Monsanto. (Gore voted with Senate conservatives in 1985

against aspartame labelling.)



Under the tutelage of the Clinton administration, one Chicago reporter quipped,

the FDA strictly enforces one "unwritten" violation of law-failure to bribe.



Granitic Believers



G.D. Sear!e, the pharmaceutical firm that introduced NutraSweet, worked

symbiotically with federal and congressional officials, bribed investigators

when

violations of law were exposed, *anything* to move aspartame to market. As far

back as 1969, an internal Searle "strategy memo" concluded the company must

obtain FDA approval to outpace firms competing for the artificial sweetener

market. Another memo in December 1970 urged that FDA officials were to be

"brought into a subconscious spirit of participation" with Searle.27 To that

end,

with enormous profits at stake, the pharmaceutical house set out on a long

struggle to transform the Pentagon's biochemical warfare agent into "the taste

Mother Nature intended.



The official story is that aspartame was discovered in 1966 by a scientist

developing an ulcer drug (not a "food additive"). Supposedly he discovered, upon

carelessly licking his fingers that they tasted sweet. Thus was the chemicals

industry blessed with a successor to saccharine, the coal-tar derivative that

foundered eight years later under the pressure of cancer concerns.



Aspartame found early opposition in consumer attorney James Turner, author of

*The Chemical Feast* and a former Nader's Raider. At his own expense, Turner

fought approval for ten years, basing his argument on aspartame's potential side

effects, particularly on children. His concern was shared by Dr. John Olney,

Professor of neuropathology and psychiatry at Washington School of Medicine in

St. Louis. Dr. Olney found that aspartame, combined with MSG seasoning,

increased

the odds of brain damage in children.



Other studies have found that children are especially vulnerable to its toxic

effects, a measure of the relation between consumption and body weight. The FDA

determined in 1981, when the sweetener was approved, that the maximum projected

intake of Aspartame is 50 milligrams a day per kilogram of body weight. A child

of 66 pounds would consume about 23 milligrams by imbibing four cans of Diet

Coke. The child might also conceivably down an aspartame-flavored snack or two,

nearing the FDA's projected maximum daily intake.29 Dr. William Partridge, a

professor of neuroendocrine regulation at MIT, told *Common Cause* in August

1984

that it wouldn't be surprising if a child-"confronted with aspartame contained

in

iced tea chocolate milk, milk shakes, chocolate pudding pie, Jello, ice cream

and

numerous other products" -consumed 50 milligrams per kilogram in a day.



Internally, aspartame breaks down into its constituent amino acids and methanol,

which degrades into formaldehyde. The FDA announced in 1984 that "no evidence"

has been found to establish that the methanol byproduct reaches toxic levels,

claiming that "many fruit juices contain higher levels of the natural

compound."30 But the _Medical World News_ had already reported in 1978 that the

methanol content of aspartame is 1,000 times greater than most foods under FDA

control.31



NutraSweet, the "good stuff" of sentimental adverts, is a truly insidious

product. According to independent trials, aspartame intake is shown by animal

studies to alter brain chemicals affecting behavior. Aspartame's effects on the

brain led Richard Wurtman, an MIT neuroscientist, to the discovery, as recorded

in _The New England Journal of Medicine_ (No. 309, 1983), that the sweetener

defeats its purpose as a diet aid, since high doses may instill a craving for

calorie-laden carbohydrates. One of his pilot studies found that the

NutraSweet-carbohydrate combination increases the "sweetener's effect on brain

composition." Searle officials denigrated Wurtman 's findings, but the American

Cancer Society has since confirmed the irony-after tracking 80,000 women for six

years-that "among women who gained weight, artificial sweetener users gained

more

than those who didn't use the products," as reported in _Medical Self-Care_

(387). (Since his battle with G.D. Searle, Wurtman founded Interneuron

Pharmaceuticals, Inc., the producer of a sports drink that enhances athletic

performance, and a weight loss drug marketed in over 40 countries. Wurtman's

share of the company, established in 1989, was worth $10 million by 1992. 32



Even more daunting are the findings of Dr. Paul Spiers, a neuropsychologist at

Boston's Beth Israel Hospital, that aspartame use can depress intelligence. For

this reason, he selected experimental subjects with a history of consuming it

but

unaware that they might be suffering ill effects. The subjects were given

NutraSweet in capsules of the FDA's allowable limit. Spiers was alarmed to

discover that they developed "cognitive deficits.'' One of the tests required

recall of square patterns and alphabetical sequences, becoming increasingly more

difficult. The test is challenging, but most people improve as they learn how it

is done. The aspartame users, however, did not improve. "Some frankly showed a

reverse pattern," said Spiers."33



Aspartame has been shown to erode short-term memory. At the May, 1985 hearings

on NutraSweet, Louisiana Senator Russell Long related a bizarre anecdote:

SENATOR LONG: I have received a letter recently from a person who is well known

to me and whose word is impeccable, as far as I am concerned.

This person told me that she had been dieting and she had been using diet drinks

with aspartame in it.

She said she found her memory was going. She seemed to be completely losing her

memory. When she would meet people whom she knew intimately, she could not

recall

what their name was, or even who they were.

She could not recall a good bit of that which was going on about her to the

extent that she was afraid she was losing her mind. . . In due course, someone

suggested that it might be this NutraSweet, so she stopped using it and her

memory came back and her mind was restored.

Senator Howard Metzenbaum replied that he had received "a number of letters from

doctors reporting similar developments. . . There have been hundreds of

incidents

of people who have suffered loss of memory, headaches, dizziness, and other

neurological symptoms which they feel are related to aspartame."34 Senator Orrin

Hatch, a hidebound archconservative and NutraSweet advocate, downplayed

criticism

of the sugar substitute. "Some people have lost their memory after drinking a

variety of things," he argued. ''The bottom line is this: The studies supporting

aspartame's approval have been examined and reexamined. More than enough sound,

valid studies exist to demonstrate aspartame's safety."



Hatch of Utah, reports the _Wall Street Journal_, has "given his strong support

of the pharmaceutical industries."35 So have the "Hatchlings." David Kessler,

FDA

Commissioner under presidents Bush and Clinton, was once an aide to Orrin Hatch.

Hatch's former campaign manager and aide, C. McClain Haddow, was sentenced to

prison for conflict-of-interest charges arising from his work as a Reagan

administration health official. And Thomas Parry, Hatch's former chief of staff,

has carved a sumptuous life for himself as a Republican fund-raiser and lobbyist

with clients in the pharmaceutical industry. All told, Parry represents 30

clients, including Eli Lilly, Warner-Lambert, and Johnson & Johnson, not to

mention ranking defense firms and the Bahamas government. Parry's pharmaceutical

clients have enriched Senator Hatch's campaign coffers, and in turn Hatch

lavishes his attentions on them.



By the time Orrin Hatch was stumping for NutraSweet in the U.S. Senate, the

Center for Disease Control in Atlanta had received 600 letters complaining of

NutraSweet's adverse effects. The National Soft Drink Association (NSDA) had

them

too. "There have been hundreds of reports from around the country suggesting a

possible relationship between their consumption of NutraSweet and subsequent

symptoms including headaches, aberrational behavior, slurred speech, etc." FDA

Commissioner Arthur Hull Hayes, appointed by Ronald Reagan in April, 1981

(moving

the _New York Times_ to observe that "some industry officials consider Dr. Hayes

more sympathetic to their viewpoints than past holders of the office"),

considered such complaints "anecdotal.''



Of course, like scores of other conservatives roaming the executive branch in

the 1980s, the ethics of Arthur Hull Hayes were entirely malleable-not only did

he approve a product based on studies that were "scientifically lacking in

design

and execution," according to a report issued by _Science Times_ in February

1985,

but upon leaving the FDA he took the post of senior medical consultant for

Burson-Marsteller, the public relations firm retained by G.D. Searle.37



Burson-Marsteller, a huge public relations conglomerate, swelled in the 1980s by

leveraging smaller competitors -including Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelley, a

lobbying firm best known for influence peddling along the Beltway-presently

outsizing even the Hill & Knowlton empire. Typical in the aspartame story are

Burson-Marsteller's links to the intelligence community and rightwing operatives

of the GOP. Thomas Devereaux Bell, Jr., an executive officer of the firm, is the

former chairman of the Center for naval Analysis in Alexandria, Virginia. Bell

was also the executive director of Ronald Reagan's Inaugural Ball Committee (in

which capacity he ushered in the likes of Licio Gelli, head of P2, the notorious

Italian secret society). Bell's career in Washington began in 1971 as a deputy

director of Richard Nixon's Committee to ReElect the President. He went on to

serve as an administrative aide to Senator William Brock and the Reagan

transition team.38



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 18:06:46 +0100

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From:         James Morley <jm12kg@LION.RBGKEW.ORG.UK>

Subject:      Re: *natural* sweeteners

In-Reply-To:  <9510201548.AA18736@indy.radiology.uiowa.edu>



Not sure whether it was here that someone was interested in natural

sources of sweeteners, but you may be interested in a review paper I

recently came across:



Kurihara, Y. 1992.  Characteristics of antisweet substances, sweet

proteins, and sweetness-inducing proteins.  Critical Reviews in Food

Science and Nutrition, 32(3): 231-152.



This paper contains info. on the following species:



Hovenia dulcis

Aesculus hippocastanum

Gymnema sylvestre

Ziziphus jujuba

Dioscoreophyllum cumminsii

Thaumatococcus danielli

Capparis masaikai

Richadella dulcifica

Curculigo latefolia



Remember that some of these are for antisweet properties though.  It also

contains 70+ references.



Happy reading



James



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James Morley                           J.Morley@rbgkew.org.uk

Centre for Economic Botany

Royal Botanic Gardens                    Tel. (0)181 332 5719

Kew, Richmond                            Fax. (0)181 332 5278

Surrey   TW9 3AE

UK                          WWW  http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/ceb

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:48:54 CST6CDT

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From:         David Turbeville <DTURBEVI@HARL.TSTC.EDU>

Organization: T.S.T.C. Harlingen

Subject:      Herbal Help for Kidney Trouble



Hello everyone..



I'm new to the list, but have an urgent need..



My parents have a small dog that is about 15 years old.  The dog

is having kidney problems.  The vet tried to flush the kidneys with

IV fluids, but with little success..



I hope someone can help me with an herbal remedy to stimulate her

kidneys.  I know she has to go sometime, but maybe not right now...



Please help..



Thanks...

"Everything's easy, till you get halfway through."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 17:42:19 -0400

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From:         "Barbara D. Mileo" <Venus432@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners



Hi again!

Stevia is a good sugar substitute but I've had a hard time growing it.  One

day it will be green and the next it will be drooping.  Is there a special

way to grow this?  I treated it just like all my other plants.

         Barbara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 20:41:30 -0400

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      hemorrhoids



Hi Herbophyles:

below is a request for help from a friend on a subject I'm totally ignorant

of.  Can anyone contribute anything?  Thanks much in advance for your help.



>I have recently developed screaming hemorrhoids. How humiliating - I never

thought I could get something like that. I didn't even really know what they

were!! I have to research how one gets rid of them ("without surgery" as the

ads say.) Taking Dr. Andrew Weil's advice, I'm trying not to hate them too

much, but rather to realize I have a health imbalance and need to find my

way back. If you know of anything, I'd really appreciate hearing! (I started

drinking aloe juice, and it may have been coincidence, but I felt really

sick for a few days after that, and got better when I stopped. Think its a

good idea to try aloe again when I'm feeling stronger?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 20:50:59 -0400

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From:         "Cynthia Williams, D.C." <BunnyMom@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ear problems



In a message dated 95-10-19 19:10:43 EDT, you write:



>I've been having some problems with my ears lately, mostly my right one --

>it feels stuffed up, kind of uncomfortably-full, and I am occasionally

>getting shooting pains through my ear and my jaw on that side.  When I

>yawn, it does not pop.  I am starting to notice that I'm not hearing as

>well through it as I normally do.

>



Bon-



When you say it does not pop- are you referring to your plugged ear or your

jaw?  Anyway-  I have seen many, many people with Temperomandibular Joint

Syndrome  aka  TMJ Syndrome (problems with the jaw joint)  with the very same

symptoms.



Please find someone who has a good expertise in TMJ.  Not all MDs, Dentists,

or Chiropractors are truely familiar with the condition- how to diagnose or

treat it.  But absent any other organic findings, this could easily be the

cause of your complaints.  BTW-  the jaw joint does not have to be popping or

clicking to be dysfunctional.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 20:51:00 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Cynthia Williams, D.C." <BunnyMom@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me



In a message dated 95-10-19 20:19:56 EDT, you write:



> Calendula  10% tincture neat on the sting wound.

>and  orally:  Ledum 12X or 30C  every 10 min  the  first few hours

>then  thrice daily for a few days.  You wil see it for your self  it will

>not  flair up that fast if you keep on top of it. Do not hesitate to

>keep the wound moist with calendula tincture for a while.



This remedy is probably very effective for a local, ie: the stung area,

reaction.  However, what the original writer was referring to is a *systemic*

reaction, which is very very very different, and must be treated very

differently, otherwise it is literally life threatening.  What is going on is

an anaphylactic reaction and a. shock.  And it must be treated immediately

and strongly.  The injection is of aminophylline or epinephrine which is a

stimulant to the respiratory center and the heart muscle.



I heartily agree with using herbal remedies- that's why I'm in this group-

but this is just one case where I don't think you safely can.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 20:50:55 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Cynthia Williams, D.C." <BunnyMom@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: treatment for migraines during pregnancy (fwd)



In a message dated 95-10-19 12:04:36 EDT, you write:



> You may want to consider other therapies, such as

>acupuncture, meditation, or massage, as an alternative.

>



Don't forget chiropractic care.  Yes, it is very safe for a pregnant woman

and the baby.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:25:28 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Remedies for Children



as electuaries for my tinctures I've found that adding stevia (as the little

bit of honey to make the medicine go down) plus those concentrated essences

used for flavoring homemade liquors & brandies, makes them palatable, even

for kids (well - you still have to have a "discussion" with them, but it

really helps).  I get these from a shop which sells wine&beer-making

supplies.  They have orange as well as any other flavor you can imagine. I've

become particularly attracted to the plum essence used to flavor balkan

shlibovitch (sp).



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:25:31 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Prostrate trouble prevention



Dave, this is partially anecdotal but still non-fiction, as I witnessed it

myself when living in Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon.  In middle eastern countries

people eat lots of seeds & nuts -sit in movie theaters, for example &

chew&spit sunflower and pumpkin seeds instead of popcorn & candybars (what a

mess on the floor after a double feature!)  Instead of expresso or candy

stands in malls & on the streets, one finds the corner nut vendors.  People

buy little bags of almonds, walnuts, roasted chestnuts, along w/the

above-mentioned seeds, to munch on instead.  The incidence of prostate

problems/cancer in these countries is very low, negligible, compared to

"civilized" FirstWorld acts.  Prostate problems are NOT automatically

accepted as a concomittant of aging, as in the U.S.  Seems attributable to

the high zinc content of the nuts/seeds.  Most U.S. males are woefully zinc

deficient because of our overly- processed junkfood diets - and since zinc is

one of those things the gonads especially seem to require in greater

concentrations than anywhere else in the body (male or female), I hope you

like nuts!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:25:24 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: No Subject



don't know where you live, but you could grow papayas in your garden if FL or

CA.  That's where the papain comes from.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:04:40 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Robert G Hensley <Hensleys@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Analytical chemistry



Mary L,



I was looking for a good source for chemical analysis of medicinal herbs,

specifically nutrient components such as bioflavenoids, vitamins, minerals,

tannins, etc. Is that what you mean?



Robert Hensley

Hensleys@aol.com

Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA

**********************************************************

If no one fell sick, there would be no health

care crisis. Let's focus on prevention.

**********************************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 00:37:49 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Blue green algae: this year's scam?



My cup of skepticism and dubiousness runneth over about blue-green algae. I

hear/read glowing claims about its efficacy, most of which are buttressed by

no more than (eyes-rolled-heavenward) anecdotes. I haven't yet seen *any*

credible reports about testing with double-blind studies. Who are the people

who have reproduced these alleged results again and again?



When I look at the available books on the subject, I find endless accounts of

virtue for this product, stuffed with personal tales, but narry a word about

laboratory studies conducted by credible institutions. And by "credible" I

mean people who are serious students of biology, microbiology, nutrition,

cytology, physiology, algology--people who have worked at the cellular (not

the economic) level.



This kind of stuff comes down every year or two. "Oh," they gush, "we have

found the new Fountain of Youth." Yeah-yeah-yeah.



Every true believer on this list will no doubt flame my skepticism. But until

I see something that offers more than the shearest of anecdotal "evidence,"

I'll stand on the sideline and marvel at the gullilble willingness of people

to spend their hard-earned dollars on nostrums that have little more to

recommend them than suggestibility and placebo effect.



UntilI hear more than claims like, "Oh, it gives me so much energy" or "I

don't need more than two hours' sleep a night," I'll delete the flames one by

one.



There's one important fact to remember: multi-level marketing (or "network

marketing" as the adherents now like to call it) stands to benefit the same

people as chain letters--the originators. Ponzi got rich too. At whose

expense?



P.T. Barnum was right!!!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 18:39:34 -1000

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From:         PC Consultants <twheeler@MAUI.NET>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Help with Kidney Trouble



Hi all!



I'm forwarding on this person's plea.  I don't know any of the protocol on

this forwarding stuff, so will suggest that you email to the gardens list

(GARDENS@UKCC.UKY.EDU), and will apologize in advance for any faux pas.



(This is a forward of the request and then a response from "Margaret"  (I

saw his request the other day and wasn't on top of it enough to forward it

then, hence the response that I thought of general enough interest to

include in it's entirety).



Thanks, Martha





>X-Sender: mlaute@micron.net

>Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 18:47:00 MDT

>Reply-To: Gardens & Gardening <GARDENS@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

>Sender: Gardens & Gardening <GARDENS@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

>From: Margaret Lauterbach <mlaute@MICRON.NET>

>Subject:      Re: Herbal Help with Kidney Trouble

>To: Multiple recipients of list GARDENS <GARDENS@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

>

>>Hello everyone...

>>

>>I know this deviates a little from the garden focus, but I need some

>>help..

>>

>>My parents have a small dog that's getting old, and she's having

>>kidney trouble...

>>

>>The vet hasn't been able to do anything for her, and I wanted to know

>>it anyone has an herbal remedy to help her kidneys get going...

>>

>>I've subscribed to the HERB list, but so far no response...

>>

>>Please help if you can.. Thank you...

>>"Everything's easy, till you get halfway through."



>I had to have my dearly beloved cairn terrier (vole and brewers' blackbird

>nemesis) put down because of failing kidneys. It's tough to admit it, but

>the vet once said that if she found out that the dog food I was feeding him

>was really as high in protein as it said, it would be burning out his

>kidneys. She was sure it was really soy protein. Wrong. It was meat, I don't

>remember the name of the food, but it was packaged in little square aluminum

>packets, about 4 by 4 inches in diameter, 3/4 inch deep. The reason we were

>feeding that was that our other little dog was allergic to poultry. This was

>one of three dog foods I could find which didn't contain poultry, and

>neither of them liked the other two.

>

>Interesting fact. Science Diet has brainwashed (IMHO) vets into selling

>their product (to make a profit for the vet, too), so vets enthusiastically

>recommend this product over others, and denigrate everything else.  When I

>told her the label contents, she pooh-poohed it, saying it had to be soy,

>because dog food manufacturers wouldn't use meat, etc. This also makes me

>suspicious of vets. They've sold their ethics rather cheaply.

>

>My pal, my practical joker-dog, suffered kidney failure at the age of 17. I

>don't know if you can reverse kidney failure in a canine (short of dialysis,

>which I was not willing to impose on a creature which wouldn't understand

>explanation), but if there's anything you can do, I think it's through diet.

>BTW, if you raise enough hell with your Science Diet-brainwashed vet, he or

>she CAN come up with a recipe for homemade food to substitute for the

>high-priced spread, with your better ingredients.

>

>Sorry to take so long about this, but I feel strongly about this.

>Margaret

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:19:24 +0000

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From:         MARTIN <LEEUWEN@ELENOV1.AUCKLAND.AC.NZ>

Organization: University of Auckland

Subject:      sweeteners



Hi



Can't you get  sugar cane plants? You grow them in your back yard

and when you need  some sweetness you put it through the juicer and the

juice is lovely  you do not want to drink anything else any more

 It is nutritious.  Children in Fiji  chewing on that stuff  and

their teeth  are looking beautiful,  no decay like  you get with the typical

western world  sweets and junk food.



Martin van Leeuwen - Stramonium



Date:    Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:09:15 -0400

From:    Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: artificial sweeteners



In a message dated 95-10-19 18:42:50 EDT, you write:



>..much nutra-sweetener and an eventual trip to the hospital because of it

>later, I avoid nutra-sweet etc., like the plague.

>one natural sweetener that I use is stevia.

>are there others?

>thanks   jg



I simply use either honey, granulated sugar, or "sugar in the raw" if I can

find it.  Of course, I'm not diabetic, or have any other condition which

restricts my sugar intake.



Most people can use nutra-sweet with ill effects.  But, I'm not one of them.

 When it first hit the market several years ago, I was exposed to it in

samples of "Crystal Light" and marketed iced tea mixes.  After two weeks I

was waking up with tremors and cold sweats during the night.  Leg cramps too.

 That was the end of nutra-sweet for me! And, I avoid it altogether with you

JG!





Martin van Leeuwen

University of Auckland

School of Engineering

Junior/Senior Laboratories

Phone +64 9 3737599 ext 8496

fax +64 9 3737466/ 3737461



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:06:24 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me



At 01:03 AM 10/19/95 -0400, you wrote:

>Another question:  as a child I had a life-threatening reaction to a wasp

>sting (shock, heart failure).  Since then I carry the standard emergency

>kit (injection, antihistamine tablets) even though the bees and I have

>been getting along ok.  Someone told me that there exists a natural

>antidote or emergency herbal treatment?  Any information on this?

>



The dreaded Ma Huang, or ephedra, is what I use as an anti histamine for bug

bites, mosquito bites (excellent externally, or internal for massive bites

--- I told you to bring the mosquito head netting) and wasp/bee stings.

Ideal in tincture form externally  because it is also astringent. Often I

mix with willow, for extra astringency and analgesic. People with very bad

allergic reactions to stings that I know have switched to Ma Huang, but I

would be cautious replacing the chemicals with herbs if its life threatening

...... what If you try the herbs and they don't work the first time ..... no

second chance to adjust dosage and kind of herb used.



Of course, in most "civilized" country's this herb is prescription only

..... and looks like it may become that soon here.



Howie B



"I hope that's Valerian I smell."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:01:25 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Website update & Calamus Root



> People have chewed on

>bits of root to protect themselves against cholera, and people have

>smoked it too. (now I have to check if Howie mentioned that in his

>smoking booklet)



Yes, folks smoke Calamus Root, and I'd check auruvedic (sp.?) herbal

sources, like the Yoga of Herbs, etc. for more details as medicine. It is

also mentioned a number of times in the Old Testament, and was part of the

ancient "holy annointing oil" used by the Jews.



UPDATED WEB PAGES!



BTW the Herbal Smoking Mixtures Booklet is now available in a hypertext

version at

http://www.crl.com/~robbee/smoke1.html



and the Herbal Apprenticeship Page at Herbal Hall has been updated (finally)

to include more information, more plant lists (with uses) from the Pacific

Northwest of the United States, more wildcrafting principles and class

highlights.





Howie



"The difference between poison and medicine is dosage."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 20 Oct 1995 23:52:00 PDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Ray Grout <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

Subject:      reply hemorrhoids



dear fellow hemorrhoid sufferer:

nasty little critters, aren't they?

-what has helped me, and several people I have suggested it to, is rutin.

-and for the immediate pain and whatever-such things as witch hazel (there

is one type better than another, sorry, don't know which witch)

-aloe suppository-split the piece and roll it inside out, slippery side out

-cranberries are supposed to work-no first hand experience here with this one

lecithin applied to affected area

-oddly enough, I get some relief from applying  plain'ol vasoline

-gradually increase fiber in eating plan

....assuming you have checked with health advisor and have the just plain

annoying type problem.

good luck



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 06:38:14 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: hemorrhoids

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951020204130_50004101@mail06.mail.aol.com> on 10/20/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hi Herbophyles:

: below is a request for help from a friend on a subject I'm totally ignorant

: of.  Can anyone contribute anything?  Thanks much in advance for your help.

: >I have recently developed screaming hemorrhoids. How >humiliating - I

never

: thought I could get something like that. I >didn't even really know

: what they were!! I have to research >how one gets rid of them

: ("without surgery" as the ads say.) >Taking Dr. Andrew Weil's

: advice, I'm trying not to hate them >too much, but rather to realize

: I have a health imbalance and >need to find my way back. If you know

: of anything, I'd really >appreciate hearing! (I started drinking

: aloe juice, and it may >have been coincidence, but I felt really

: sick for a few days >after that, and got better when I stopped.

: Think its a good >idea to try aloe again when I'm feeling stronger?



NO! Aloe is a possible treatment for HOT type hemorrhoids, but they are far

from the most common in the U.S. Cold type are associated with tiredness,

painless hemorrhoids, worry. Aloe is very Cold in property, and will make

your problem WORSE (as you have already noticed!).



The proper treatment is ordinarily Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang, which an acupunturist

or East-Asian herbalist can supply. Eat warm, nourishing meals, NO FRUIT,

FRUIT JUICE, SWEETS, OR DESSERTS! Soups are your friend.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 09:37:45 -0100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      newest versions of medicinal and culinary herbfaqs out today...



...just to let you know.



posted in these usenet newsgroups

  medicinal herbfaq: alt.folklore.herbs, news.anwers, alt.answers

  culinary herbfaq: alt.folklore.herbs, rec.gardens, rec.food.preserving



html version (big) on my homepage (see .sig)



full textversions by ftp from sunsite: ftp sunsite.unc.edu

/pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/faqs/



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress          HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland.

                    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:32:42 -0400

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From:         Karen <karen@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Help for Kidney Trouble



I am not sure if they work on pets? But you can try Ho Shou Wu(has a toning

effect on the liver and kidneys) or Hydrangea (contains alkaloids that act

like cortisone helping to reduce inflammation) or Cayenne (a wonderful

healer, works on the heart, circulation, stomach and kidneys) or Devils Claw

(acts as a blood and vascular wall cleanser)



There is few you may look at, I am sure others on the list may have ideas.



Karen



At 02:48 PM 10/20/95 CST6CDT, David Turbeville wrote:



>My parents have a small dog that is about 15 years old.  The dog

>is having kidney problems.  The vet tried to flush the kidneys with

>IV fluids, but with little success..



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 07:45:08 -0400

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From:         Karen <karen@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Re: hemorrhoids



At 08:41 PM 10/20/95 -0400, Claudette A. Aras wrote:

>Hi Herbophyles:

>below is a request for help from a friend on a subject I'm totally ignorant

>of.  Can anyone contribute anything?  Thanks much in advance for your help.

>>I have recently developed screaming hemorrhoids.



You may want to try White Oak Bark, it contains strong astringent properties

that can be used both internally and externally. It has been used as a

cleanser for inflamed areas of the skin and mucous membranes such as vaginal

infections, piles, hemorrhoids and varicose veins.



Karen



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:27:42 -0400

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From:         NaturalVet@AOL.COM

Subject:      HELP !  alopecia areata



I have a relative who has been diagnosed by 2 dermatolgists as having

alopecis areata.

At forst there was only 1 spot - 3 weeks later there were 5.

The derms wanted to give her  intra lesional - injections of a

corticosteroid.  We would prefer to avoid this of course, but I don't know

what to reccomend as a natural, healthy approach.  Please give me some

advice!

Patient:  33 y.o. female - greek genes

             smokes cigarettes (she knows better but does it anyway)

             has been on a high plane of nutrition for over 1 year - she

takes numerous              multivitamins / herbs / phytoenzymes /

antioxidants / marine lipid complexes /              etc.   No Hx of previous

illness.  Her dad died from systemic lupus              erythematosis at 42

y.o.  She hasn't exhibited any signs of Autoimmune              diseases to

date.

             She has been under stress lately with a divorce, but has handled

it fairly well              and has been in control of most of the events.



Does anyone have any input on the latest philosophy on the etiology of this

problem?



Thank You in Advance,



NaturalVet@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 11:36:42 -0400

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From:         "F. Alex Hamill.User." <Leaflight@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: treatment for migraines during pregnancy (fwd)



You know, I don't have the literature in front of me, but in Scrip last year

I saw that Canada's version of the FDA had approved for prescription an

extract (or synthesized analog) of Feverfew for treatment of migraine.  Have

no idea about use during pregnancy (someone was requesting info on migraine

during pregnancy), placental barriers, and such.  Would be worth checking the

current literature!



Alex



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:49:00 -0700

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From:         Lynda Swink <lswink@PRIMENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: hemorrhoids



 (I started drinking

>: aloe juice, and it may >have been coincidence, but I felt really

>: sick for a few days >after that, and got better when I stopped.

>: Think its a good >idea to try aloe again when I'm feeling stronger?



>NO! Aloe is a possible treatment for HOT type hemorrhoids, but they are far

>from the most common in the U.S. Cold type are associated with tiredness,

>painless hemorrhoids, worry. Aloe is very Cold in property, and will make

>your problem WORSE (as you have already noticed!).

>

>The proper treatment is ordinarily Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang, which an acupunturist

>or East-Asian herbalist can supply. Eat warm, nourishing meals, NO FRUIT,

>FRUIT JUICE, SWEETS, OR DESSERTS! Soups are your friend.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



In response to the above, can you clarify?  I too am a hemmorrhoid

sufferer, but have never heard of hot and cold hemmorrhoids!



If hemmorrhoids are caused due to straining on the pot, standing too long,

and/or pregnancy, why would eating fruits and juice be a problem.  Seems to

me that these foods would loosen the stool and thereby cause less

straining.



Also, everything I have ever read on the subject of ingesting aloe tells me

that it indeed *will* make you sick - nausia, vomiting, and stomach cramps

in some people.



Please enlighten me.

TIA



Lynda Swink

lswink@primenet.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 09:55:00 PDT

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From:         Ray Grout <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

Subject:      L'acidophilus



 hi

question:  does one have to take L'acidophilus on an empty stomach

(non-daidry type) ...and why

thanks

jg



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:03:55 -0500

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From:         Dawn Finney <finney@INDY.RADIOLOGY.UIOWA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: treatment for migraines during pregnancy (fwd)



In message  <951020205055_129051250@emout04.mail.aol.com> Medicinal and Aromatic

Plants discussion list

              writes:

> In a message dated 95-10-19 12:04:36 EDT, you write:

>

> > You may want to consider other therapies, such as

> >acupuncture, meditation, or massage, as an alternative.

> >

>

> Don't forget chiropractic care.  Yes, it is very safe for a pregnant woman

> and the baby.

******************************

I just want to add to this that a woman I work with had some terrible shooting

lower back pain during her last month of pregnancy.  She could hardly walk.

After the birth of her baby,  she had her spine realigned by a chiropractor.  He

said that with chiropractic care DURING preganacy much of the very painful back

labor so many women go through can be eliminated. --Dawn Finney

****************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:03:52 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: hemorrhoids



I have used Capsicum capsules, 1 a day, which help some. My best success

has been large doses of pycnogenol. IT works on varicose veins as well.

Nothing I have found works as well. Just be sure and us a therapeutic

dosage, 150-500mg daily. I prefer that from grape pip than that from pine

bark but bith should work.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:08:20 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me



I know of a 16 year ol girl who saved her brother's life with an external

application of plantain leaves on a wasp sting. The boy was known to have

reactions and when he was stung, there was no recourse for her as they were

in a remote area. She crused the leaves and applied them to the sting. The

swelling went drown and he did not go into shock. I agree that a person

should use the best medical available and should'n mess around with life

threatening cases but mother nature provides many first aids that can save

lives.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:27:03 EDT

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From:         Elaine Fasano <RFAS8815@URIACC.URI.EDU>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners

In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:49:00 PDT from

              <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>



 Ray, Where doyo get your stevia? No one here in RI will sell it.

 I tried mailing you personally but the message got returned to me.

 I would appreciate any help.

 TIA

 Elaine Fasano



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 20:28:17 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: hemorrhoids

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951021161951_50539780@emout06.mail.aol.com> on 10/21/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Paul - thanks so much for your considered advice on hemorhoids.



Welcome. The proper therapy is so effective that it is a real shame that it

hasn't penetrated the thick wall of conventional medical ignorance.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 20:19:23 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: super b-g-a

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <m0t6hCT-0001QgC@vanbc.wimsey.com> on 10/21/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: re:  the blue green algae discussion

: I'm a bit dubious myself....

: I've tried it. We feel good, but am not certain it is attributable to

b-g-a.



Since people insist on discussing this here, I will note that bga, like all

algaes and cyanobacteria, are Cold, Cold, Cold, and have, therefore, a

negative effect on Digestive health (which can be very unfortunate, depending

on constitution). It has taken me a full year to convince one of my clients

to stop taking the stuff--he is now beginning to actually improve, as his

Digestion begins to become efficient again.



The energy gains from bga are rather a shellgame. Net result is similar to

the net result from a fruitarian diet--loss of vitality over time.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 20:11:33 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: hemorrhoids

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <v01530500acaec4c9db4d@[204.245.11.210]> on 10/21/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: (I started drinking

: >: aloe juice, and it may >have been coincidence, but I felt really

: >: sick for a few days >after that, and got better when I stopped.

: >: Think its a good >idea to try aloe again when I'm feeling stronger?

: >

:

:

: >NO! Aloe is a possible treatment for HOT type hemorrhoids, but they are

far

: >from the most common in the U.S. Cold type are associated with tiredness,

: >painless hemorrhoids, worry. Aloe is very Cold in property, and will make

: >your problem WORSE (as you have already noticed!).

: >

: >The proper treatment is ordinarily Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang, which an

: acupunturist >or East-Asian herbalist can supply. Eat warm,

: nourishing meals, NO FRUIT, >FRUIT JUICE, SWEETS, OR DESSERTS! Soups

: are your friend. >

: >--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

: >--

:

: In response to the above, can you clarify?  I too am a hemmorrhoid

: sufferer, but have never heard of hot and cold hemmorrhoids!

:

: If hemmorrhoids are caused due to straining on the pot, standing too long,

: and/or pregnancy, why would eating fruits and juice be a problem.  Seems to

: me that these foods would loosen the stool and thereby cause less

: straining.

:

: Also, everything I have ever read on the subject of ingesting aloe tells me

: that it indeed *will* make you sick - nausia, vomiting, and stomach cramps

: in some people.

:

: Please enlighten me.



Gladly. Hemorrhoids caused by straining, standing too long, or pregnancy are

ALL due to the collapse of the Digestive energy (and subsequent prolapse of

the anus, the end of the digestive tract). The anus is only the visible

part--the entire Digestive system has become lax.



Eating fruit and fruit juice, while they do 'loosen the stool' do so by

damaging the Digestive energy further. Aloe vera, as a very Cold substance,

further damages Digestive energy in these cases, so the people who it makes

sick ('some people') are those who have the deepest disruption of their

Digestive harmony.



The proper course of action is to Boost Digestive energy by warm diet,

avoidance of Cooling, Sweet, Juicy foods, proper rest, and herbs that support

Digestive energy, and specifically that component that 'Raises' everything

into place.



Hot-type hemorrhoids are very painful, bleed, and are associated with anger,

hbp, high-fat diet, alcohol, lack of rest, high stress. They are a completely

different animal, for which Cold laxatives like aloe are very soothing (they

Clear some of the Heat that is driving the pattern).



This was all worked out very long ago (a thousand years). Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang

was developed in the Song dynasty by a doctor who saw clearly what this

[former] pattern represented, and created a very clever formula to treat it.

Formulas for the latter pattern were developed later, say within the last 400

years.



Yin/Yang theory is not particularly Chinese--all traditional cultures would

have identified these differences in something that we, in our modern

generalizing, call 'hemorrhoids' (as if they were one pattern, rather than

two).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:46:28 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Mark D. Gold" <MGOLD@PURPLE.MIT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners



>Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:27:03 EDT

>From:         Elaine Fasano <RFAS8815@URIACC.URI.EDU>

>Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners

>To:           Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

>

> Ray, Where doyo get your stevia? No one here in RI will sell it.

> I tried mailing you personally but the message got returned to me.

> I would appreciate any help.

> TIA

> Elaine Fasano



Elaine,



You should suggest to your local natural food stores and herb stores

in RI that the legal status of stevia has changed recently.  While

importation of stevia was banned to protect Monsanto's NutraSweet sales

and the future sales of other artificial sweeteners a few years ago,

stevia can now be sold as a "dietary supplement."  I have a copy of

the FDA's new "Import Alert" on my Web page (or I can email it to

you).  Stevia products can and have been sold over the last few years

as skin treatment products. Therefore, your local natural foods store

should be able to get stevia skin treatment products and supplements

from their distributor (or they should find a distributor who does

sell it).



Stevia still cannot be legally sold as a "sweetener" by itself or

in another product.  This will help protect companies such as

Monsanto (selling a dangerous artificial sweetener - aspartame) from

having to compete against a safe, natural sweetener on a large-scale

basis.  But at least individuals can now use stevia as a supplement.



I have a list of stevia resources on my web page which you can use

and give to your local natural foods store.  Hope this helps.



Best regards,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

             http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/health.html

    (Web articles on Food & Nutrition, Yoga, aspartame/NutraPoison,

     sweetener resources, stevia, toxic carpeting, rBGH, fluoride

     detoxification, mental health resources.  Much more to come.

         Lots of links to medical and holistic healing sites.

          Will email articles if you do not have WWW access.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:14:38 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me



>The dreaded Ma Huang, or ephedra, is what I use as an anti histamine for bug

bites, mosquito bites (excellent externally, or internal for massive bites



There's nothing wrong with using Ma Huang for this. It's what it should be

used for. Ma Huang gets abused when used in diet products. The main danger

is that it raises the blood pressure and can cause stress to the heart.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 17:01:41 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Josh Kemper <jkemper@REED.EDU>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners



Try:



Richters

Goodwood, Ontario

canada  LOC 1AO



stevia plants for $10 apiece





> Ray, Where doyo get your stevia? No one here in RI will sell it.

> I tried mailing you personally but the message got returned to me.

> I would appreciate any help.

> TIA

> Elaine Fasano



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 21:07:46 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Liz Vose <liz@ERVOSE.MV.COM>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners



Hi,



 Am growing a stevia plant right now and hoping for it to blossom so I can

get some seeds.  Tell me how you use your stevia...recipes, etc?







>...much nutra-sweetener and an eventual trip to the hospital because of it

>later, I avoid nutra-sweet etc., like the plague.

>one natural sweetener that I use is stevia.

>are there others?

>thanks   jg



--

***************************************************************



Liz Vose     "For every problem there is one solution which is

              simple, neat, and wrong."

                                     - H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

                                   American editor and satirist



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 19:10:33 -0700

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From:         Rich Madden <rmadden@MASPAR.COM>

Subject:      Re: hemorrhoids

In-Reply-To:  <951020204130_50004101@mail06.mail.aol.com>



Just a note from one who is experienced in the agony of hemorrhoids.

I had to have mine surgicaly removed and that was nadda picnic. Then

afterwards I had to change my diet due to over abundance of collesteral.

But to my suprise one benefit has been to have an easier time of it in

the head. I now partake of a 4g to 6g grain cerial each and every morning

and that has cut down the stress of movements daily and I no longer have

a fear of reaccurance.

Rich



On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, Claudette A. Aras wrote:



> Hi Herbophyles:

> below is a request for help from a friend on a subject I'm totally ignorant

> of.  Can anyone contribute anything?  Thanks much in advance for your help.

> >I have recently developed screaming hemorrhoids. How >humiliating - I never

> thought I could get something like that. I >didn't even really know what they

> were!! I have to research >how one gets rid of them ("without surgery" as the

> ads say.) >Taking Dr. Andrew Weil's advice, I'm trying not to hate them >too

> much, but rather to realize I have a health imbalance and >need to find my

> way back. If you know of anything, I'd really >appreciate hearing! (I started

> drinking aloe juice, and it may >have been coincidence, but I felt really

> sick for a few days >after that, and got better when I stopped. Think its a

> good >idea to try aloe again when I'm feeling stronger?

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 01:09:10 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Blue green algae: this year's scam?

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951021183410_129589264@mail02.mail.aol.com> on 10/21/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: laura, i agree with you 100%

:

: Many people in the alternative community, with no financial interest in the

: sale of blue green algae, say algae is one of the best anti-oxidants and

: heavy metal detoxfiers available to us today.

:

: Reid



I don't know about that--for removal of heavy metals it is hard to beat

vitamin C. Much, much cheaper as well.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 01:08:56 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <01HWPBVWKE12HSTWN9@ua.acad1.alaska.edu> on 10/21/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >The dreaded Ma Huang, or ephedra, is what I use as an anti

: histamine for bug bites, mosquito bites (excellent externally, or

: internal for massive bites

:

: There's nothing wrong with using Ma Huang for this. It's what it should be

: used for. Ma Huang gets abused when used in diet products. The main danger

: is that it raises the blood pressure and can cause stress to the heart.



No, I take issue with that. Ma huang is primarily used for Cold-type Wind

Attacks, and for Wheezing disorders due to Cold. The use of a Hot herb like

Ma huang for bug bites, which are also Hot, is suspect, however temporarily

effective. If we are talking about anaphylactic shock (Collapse of the Yang),

then that is a different issue.



The main danger with Ma huang is that it is profoundly Heating and Drying,

and Exteriorizes Qi to the degree that it harms the Vessels. I believe it is

important to utilize the traditional language, since it is founded on

Yin/Yang theory, and on a physiology (and pathophysiology) uniquely suited to

the discussion of plant effects on the body.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:53:55 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jose Garcia <jgarcia@EPIX.NET>

Subject:      Pycnogenol



I have read that Pycnogenol and OPC (Oligo Proantho Cyanidin) are the

same flavane ... just a change in the name by Dr. Jacque Masquelier.

Pycnogenol is found in pine bark and grape seed (a little more is

present in grape seed, I understand).



Is pycnogenol present in grape seed oil, and, if so, can it be absorbed

into the skin by using grape seed oil as a base for body oil? Could it be

injested?



Jose



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:18:26 -0400

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From:         Marilynne Durrett-Johnson <Mjbdj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me



I myself am allergic to bees and wasps, not fatally,but to the point that I

swell about three times normal and the swelling remains for weeks and I have

experienced light-headedness, etc.  Anyway, the last time I was stung, I was

advised by a very elderly person to break up a cigarette, spit into it, crush

the leaves in the spittal and apply this as a poltice to the sting.  This I

did, and much to my surprise, I didn't even swell.  It's just a thought for

when you are, as you say, away from modern medicine and another choice is

better than nothing.  The only side effect that I noticed was that my hand

stained brown where the tobacco and juices were applied, but this wore off in

a day or so.



Marilynne



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 21 Oct 1995 22:37:40 -0700

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Lynda Swink <lswink@PRIMENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: hemorrhoids



>Hot-type hemorrhoids are very painful, bleed, and are associated with anger,

>hbp, high-fat diet, alcohol, lack of rest, high stress. They are a completely

>different animal, for which Cold laxatives like aloe are very soothing (they

>Clear some of the Heat that is driving the pattern).

>



>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--



Paul,



        I'm sure all of this makes sense to you, but you are confusing me.

What you discribe as a Hot-type sounds like me all over.  Probably due to

stress.  So, which is the proper diet for someone on the hot list?



        Please be specific, list types of foods etcetera.



TIA



Lynda Swink

lswink@primenet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:19:35 +0000

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         MARTIN <LEEUWEN@ELENOV1.AUCKLAND.AC.NZ>

Organization: University of Auckland

Subject:      Wasps and bees



Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 20:51:00 -0400

From:    "Cynthia Williams, D.C." <BunnyMom@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Wasps and bees and me



In a message dated 95-10-19 20:19:56 EDT, you write:



> Calendula  10% tincture neat on the sting wound.

>and  orally:  Ledum 12X or 30C  every 10 min  the  first few hours

>then  thrice daily for a few days.  You wil see it for your self  it will

>not  flair up that fast if you keep on top of it. Do not hesitate to

>keep the wound moist with calendula tincture for a while.



This remedy is probably very effective for a local, ie: the stung area,

reaction.  However, what the original writer was referring to is a *systemic*

reaction, which is very very very different, and must be treated very

differently, otherwise it is literally life threatening.  What is going on is

an anaphylactic reaction and a. shock.  And it must be treated immediately

and strongly.  The injection is of aminophylline or epinephrine which is a

stimulant to the respiratory center and the heart muscle.



I heartily agree with using herbal remedies- that's why I'm in this group-

but this is just one case where I don't think you safely can.



HI



To come back on Cynthia's comment

related with my previous statement.



The Homoeopathic remedy Ledum  seems to be succesful sofar  also when

taken  by high risk subjects.

My wife who  was at that time a high risk person

the first time  she was stung  near her eye had previously  not

taken the remedy  because I was not there   the ledum  was not taken

instantly and calendula on the wound either. She could not see

through her eyes for  a forthnight.

The next time she took at as I described previously. The only  sign was that  the

arm looked  as if slightly bruised and no swelling.

This remedy  taught  20 yrs ago  by one of my very old Dutch tutors and

I have never been disappointed by it.

Too often  particularly  in the rural areas there are no docters

within 15 minutes avail.  To take my wife as an example  she

would have really sufferred If she had to go to  our  MD.

She  would have swollen up in seconds

 I do not deny that it must be treated immediately and strongly.

 Does every one has access to  the injection ?

Ledum and Calendula is easy avail as a first aid  for the layperson  and when taken

on the way to a MD may  prevent a lot of swelling and reduction of the

shock reaction. and I would suggest to see his or her MD asap.

Which I always do with no exception. Orthodox & its complementary , the unorthodox,  medicine

should go together in harmony.



All the best



Martin





Martin van Leeuwen

University of Auckland

School of Engineering

Junior/Senior Laboratories

Phone +64 9 3737599 ext 8496

fax +64 9 3737466/ 3737461



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 07:43:51 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Blue green algae: this year's scam?

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951021222128_129701466@mail02.mail.aol.com> on 10/21/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Vitamin C only brushes the surface.  Algae does bind to mercury, etc.

:

: Reid



Nonsense. Vitamin C is one of the best known methods to remove mercury from

the body (as well as certain other heavy metals). ---It is a proven

chelator---. That means EXACTLY that it binds to mercury.



And, of course, vitamin C is one of the basic antioxidant.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 07:43:30 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: hemorrhoids

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <v01530501acaf8839e809@[204.245.11.201]> on 10/21/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >Hot-type hemorrhoids are very painful, bleed, and are associated

: >with anger, hbp, high-fat diet, alcohol, lack of rest, high stress.

: >They are a completely different animal, for which Cold laxatives

: >like aloe are very soothing (they Clear some of the Heat that is

: >driving the pattern).

:

: >--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

: >--

:

: Paul,

:

:         I'm sure all of this makes sense to you, but you are confusing me.

: What you discribe as a Hot-type sounds like me all over.  Probably due to

: stress.  So, which is the proper diet for someone on the hot list?

:

:         Please be specific, list types of foods etcetera.

:

: TIA

:

: Lynda Swink



If you really have the Hot-type (which is entirely possible, of course), then

diet is not really an enormous issue. You need to absolutely avoid coffee,

alcohol, spicy foods, high fat diet, and constipating foods. Cold laxatives

like aloe, foods like tofu, lettuce, and possibly fruits like banana and

watermelon will be helpful. There are several OTC-patent Chinese herbal

salves for direct topical application that are quite effective for this

pattern.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:59:45 -0300

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         CB Leek <cleek@TERRA.NLNET.NF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees



>Date:    Fri, 20 Oct 1995 20:51:00 -0400

>From:    "Cynthia Williams, D.C." <BunnyMom@AOL.COM>

>Subject: Re: Wasps and bees and me

>

>In a message dated 95-10-19 20:19:56 EDT, you write:

>

>This remedy is probably very effective for a local, ie: the stung area,

>reaction.  However, what the original writer was referring to is a *systemic*

>reaction, which is very very very different, and must be treated very

>differently, otherwise it is literally life threatening.  What is going on is

>an anaphylactic reaction and a. shock.  And it must be treated immediately

>and strongly.  The injection is of aminophylline or epinephrine which is a

>stimulant to the respiratory center and the heart muscle.

>

>I heartily agree with using herbal remedies- that's why I'm in this group-

>but this is just one case where I don't think you safely can.

>

>To come back on Cynthia's comment

>related with my previous statement.

>

>The Homoeopathic remedy Ledum  seems to be succesful sofar  also when

>taken  by high risk subjects.

(((snipped descriptives)))

>Too often  particularly  in the rural areas there are no docters

>within 15 minutes avail.  To take my wife as an example  she

>would have really sufferred If she had to go to  our  MD.

>She  would have swollen up in seconds

> I do not deny that it must be treated immediately and strongly.

> Does every one has access to  the injection ?

>Ledum and Calendula is easy avail as a first aid  for the layperson  and

when taken

>on the way to a MD may  prevent a lot of swelling and reduction of the

>shock reaction. and I would suggest to see his or her MD asap.

>Which I always do with no exception. Orthodox & its complementary , the

unorthodox,  medicine

>should go together in harmony.

>

>All the best



>Martin van Leeuwen

>University of Auckland



Just don't forget:  True anaphylactic shock can kill a victim in a

mere 2-5 minutes!  These people are the ones the MDs prescribe injection

kits for.  An injection for such individuals, and *then* supportive herbal

remedies makes sense.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 08:20:43 -0500

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Whoever <rlt@VNET.NET>

Subject:      Re: Ear problems

In-Reply-To:  <951020205057_129051287@emout06.mail.aol.com> from "Cynthia

              Williams, D.C." at Oct 20, 95 08:50:59 pm



>

> In a message dated 95-10-19 19:10:43 EDT, you write:

>

> >I've been having some problems with my ears lately, mostly my right one --

> >it feels stuffed up, kind of uncomfortably-full, and I am occasionally

> >getting shooting pains through my ear and my jaw on that side.  When I

> >yawn, it does not pop.  I am starting to notice that I'm not hearing as

> >well through it as I normally do.

> >

>

**This sounds very similar to something I recently went through-My ear

would not pop, my hearing got worse, and I got very scared-all my

friends told me horror stories about ear problems, etc..I don't go to the

doctors unless I absolutely have to, so I waited it out and it did

finally get better...but-about two months after I thought everything got

better I went to get a physical for a new job and they stuck one of those

new ear themometers in my ear and it read that I had a temperature of a

101, I knew I wasn't sick so I asked them so try my other ear, it read

normal--I asked them what was wrong, they told me nothing and not to

worry (in other words, they hadn't a clue)--so in summary, if you find

out, please let me know, b/c I still haven't a clue myself.

Rob

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 11:45:11 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Bill & Laurie Bruce <gdscents@CENCOM.NET>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners

Comments: cc: "pawgep@aol.com" <pawgep@aol.com>



Elaine, Cheryl's Herbs is a good supplier of stevia.  Cheryl will ship anywhere in the world. You can e-mail Cheryl at pawgep@aol.com.



Good Luck,



Bill



----------

From:   Elaine Fasano[SMTP:RFAS8815@URIACC.URI.EDU]

Sent:   Saturday, October 21, 1995 4:27 PM

To:     Multiple recipients of list HERB

Subject:        Re: artificial sweeteners



 Ray, Where doyo get your stevia? No one here in RI will sell it.

 I tried mailing you personally but the message got returned to me.

 I would appreciate any help.

 TIA

 Elaine Fasano



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:29:59 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Lynda Swink <lswink@PRIMENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: hemorrhoids



>

>If you really have the Hot-type (which is entirely possible, of course), then

>diet is not really an enormous issue. You need to absolutely avoid coffee,

>alcohol, spicy foods, high fat diet, and constipating foods. Cold laxatives

>like aloe, foods like tofu, lettuce, and possibly fruits like banana and

>watermelon will be helpful. There are several OTC-patent Chinese herbal

>salves for direct topical application that are quite effective for this

>pattern.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--



Paul,

        Thanks for your help.





Lynda Swink

lswink@primenet.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:44:44 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Mary Pinkney <mpinkney@SATURN.EXECULINK.COM>

Subject:      ARP ROSEMARY



Hello!  I have an Arp Rosemary plant growing in my garden

outside.  It is supposed to be a winter hard strain.  I was

wondering if I should leave it outside or should I try to dig

it up and bring it inside in a pot for the winter?  Or is it

also to late in the year to do this?  I am new to gardening and

I live in Woodstock, Ontario, Canada.  Woodstock is in the

southwestern part of Ontario.



I would appreciate any advice with regards to this matter:)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 18:20:21 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Blue green algae: this year's scam?

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951022084444_129856545@emout04.mail.aol.com> on 10/22/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: yes it is one of the best anti-oxidants.  But, so is Algae and pycnogenol

: (pine bark).

:

: However, if you read your current litterature on chelation, DMPS (not Vit.

C

: or EDTA) is the best.



The point is that algae is DRAMATICALLY more expensive than vitamin C for the

same bang. There are various chemicals that are either 'better' antioxidants

or better chelators. But that is moot to the issue, which is an original

claim that algae was a BETTER antioxidant and chelator than vitamin C.



NOT.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 18:19:40 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Blue green algae: this year's scam?

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951022130300_76426821@emout06.mail.aol.com> on 10/22/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: In a message dated 95-10-21 22:15:07 EDT, you write:

:

: >

: >I don't know about that--for removal of heavy metals it is hard to beat

: >vitamin C. Much, much cheaper as well.

: >

: >--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

:

: WHat is the mechanism by which Vit C removes heavy metals?



Vitamin C appears to aid in the formation of chelates. It lowers lead,

mercury, nickel, vanadium, and cadmium concentration (Moser and Bendich,

Vitamin C, in Machlin, Handbook of Vitamins, 6th ed.). Vitamin C also

inhibits nitrosamine formation (a common carcinogen), and enhances the liver

enzyme pathways that detoxify drugs and other chemicals. Hard to beat, in a

very cheap package.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 18:05:14 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Penny Newbury <penny@NECA.COM>

Subject:      Re: ARP ROSEMARY



>Hello!  I have an Arp Rosemary plant growing in my garden

>outside.  It is supposed to be a winter hard strain.  I was

>wondering if I should leave it outside or should I try to dig

>it up and bring it inside in a pot for the winter?  Or is it

>also to late in the year to do this?  I am new to gardening and

>I live in Woodstock, Ontario, Canada.  Woodstock is in the

>southwestern part of Ontario.

>

>I would appreciate any advice with regards to this matter:)

 Hi Mary--I have an Arp too--I live in Connecticut and I wouldn't take the

chance of leaving it outside.  Rosemary, even the "winter hardy" variety,

is a tender perrennial.  What I do is keep mine in a big pot all summer so

I don't have to dig it up, just bring the pot in.  I don't think it's too

late to do this.  Or you can mulch like heck, even below th surface, cover

it with a bunch of straw and a basket, and pray.  If you take it in, make

sure it has plenty of southern sun and water all winter.  Rosemaries are

very sensitive.  Good luck!

penny



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 00:54:22 +0000

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From:         christopher hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      re Kidney problems



Corn silk- the silky yellow/ ginger threads from sweet corn. Collect your

own, preferably from organic corn.



This is my favourite Kidney remedy, soothing and strengthening. I have

never found it to fail. Make up a jug at tea strength and let your dog

drink as much as he wishes.



Christopher Hedley MNIMH medical herbalist



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 00:54:51 +0000

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         christopher hedley <christopher@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      re Feverfew and Migraines



Feverfew is an excellent treatment for migraine but it should NOT be used

in pregnancy- it is an emmenagogue.



The other strategies mentioned in mailings to this list are all worth trying.



Christopher Hedley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:38:31 +1000

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From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Comfrey

Comments: To: owner-medit-plants@ucdavis.edu



This is an extract from "The Healing Garden" Copyright Kangaroo Press 1994

There are many anecdotal stories here about comfry that should make us take

this herb seriously. The following is one of the more extraordinary:

"Leg

We had a young woman call on us early one spring to buy a dozen .i.Comfrey

;plants. As it was early in Spring we just found a dozen. Comfrey usually

goes underground for our mild winters. A week later the woman rang asking

us to freight her another dozen, as quickly as possible. She came the

following week for twenty more plants. As comfrey is the fastest growing

plant and one plant is usually adequate for most people our curiosity was

aroused. It turned out that her mother had had a leg ulcer for many years.

Finally, it had become so bad and almost gangrenous that her doctor had

recommended she have her leg amputated. At this, her daughter had contacted

an old herbalist who told her to make comfrey root poultices for the

ulcer.This she was doing every day and was therefore using an increble

number of Comfrey leaves. This is an old remedy little used today because

it is un-aesthetic, time consuming to prepare, and messy. It involves

harvesting, cleaning and mashing the root and applying it to the ulcer and

tying it on with bandages. We sent the girl off to an organic farming

friend who had comfrey taking over her garden and was only too happy to

have someone "weed" it for her.

A few months later the girl wandered into the nursery,

"How is your mother's leg?" we asked.

"Completely cured," she replied.

Comfrey ointment can be used, in place of poultices although a fresh plant

poultice always heals more quickly. Apply the ointment liberally once or

twice a day to the edges of the ulcer-working from the good skin to the

bad. Comfrey promotes the growth of healthy tissue.



Michael Bailes.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 22 Oct 1995 20:00:20 -0500

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From:         Liz Vose <liz@ERVOSE.MV.COM>

Subject:      Artemesia ludoviana (Silver King)



Hello,



I have a few questions about this plant:



Is it edible?  Can it be used in cooking or for tea?



Is it anything like mugwort?  Could it be used in dream pillows?



By the way, this is a recipe I found in an herb book for dream pillows.  I

have never used one but I know a while back some of you were discussing

them:



1/2 cups hops (encourages sleep)

1/4 cup of lavender flowers (makes dreams pleasant)

1/8 cup of rosemary leaves (to remember dreams)

1/8 cup of thyme leaves (to prevent nightmares)

2 tablespoons of mugwart leaves (to encourage dreaming)



Thanks for the help about the artemisia 'Silver King'.





--

***************************************************************



Liz Vose     "For every problem there is one solution which is

              simple, neat, and wrong."

                                     - H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

                                   American editor and satirist



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 00:40:55 -0400

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From:         "F. Alex Hamill.User." <Leaflight@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Fumonisins



An inquiry and tentative warning:



Dr. Desjardins from the FDA spoke for our weekly seminar this past Friday on

Fumonisin contamination in maize.  It was a very informative couple of hours

and also disturbing.  I have not yet transcribed the recording into notes, so

I can't go too far into detail, but I will relate the general substance.



The FDA has been researching the prevalence of the fungus Fumonis (sp?) which

is ubiquitous in maize all over the world.  Can be found in roots, stalks,

leaves, fruit, all through, and spores found in the atmosphere in high

concentrations anywhere where corn is grown.  The fungus produces several

compounds, one of special interest FB1, which is lethal in horses at levels

as low as 8 ppm, pigs at 10 ppm.  These levels are commonly found in marketed

feed and products for human consumption.  'Blue' corn is highest, having

levels up to 98 ppm.  A heat stable compound, it easily survives cooking and

other prep methods and is found in blue corn chips.  Preliminary studies (and

there are only prelim studies at this point) show that relatively low doses

over time don't seem to cause noticable problems (we've all obviously eaten

corn in the past, to say nothing of the cultures who consume it daily).

 However, if a very high level is consumed just once, followed by very low

levels, results can be seen.  In humans, esophogeal cancers are suspect (and

being researched) due to a high incidence of this cancer in areas of the

world where the maize consumed shows particularly high concentrations.

It's a strange compound in that the symptomology is very different depending

on the animal you're looking at.  In horses, brain lesions occur, causing a

syndrome I can't remember the name of precisely, something like 'droopy-eyed

wobble disease';  tongue hangs out, heavy perspiration, blindness, death

within a week.  In pigs, something else entirely, and there is one other

organism she mentioned.  Humans apparently exhibit cancers.  She encouraged

the area as a potential line of research, to test people in areas where corn

products are frequently consumed.  Test is simple urinalysis, looking at

levels of two chemicals excreted in relation to one another.

That said, is anyone else aware of current research in the private sector?

 Any information been published as yet?

In the question and answer session, she did mention that nothing is proven,

no definate answers, but that Switzerland (or Sweden?) has already imposed a

law that prohibits importation of maize in levels above I think 4

micrograms/gram, and that other countries may follow, which could be

problematic for our farmers.  She also mentioned that she wouldn't be going

to the store to buy blue corn chips any time soon!

I'd appreciate any information anyone could provide, and thank you!



Fumonisins



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:49:26 -0400

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me



The plantain referred to here is not the tropical banana, but either Plantago

lanceolata or Plantago major (Buckhorn and broad leaved plantain), the garden

weed.  A poultice of these plantains, called by some White Man's Foot,

Pigweed, or, in England, Poor Man's Bread by the Way, is tremendously healing

for new as well as old wounds, and has a well documented and deserved

reputation for relieving the discomfort and healing nettle rash, bee and wasp

stings and mosquito bites.  Its reputation for curing poison ivy merited

mention in the New England Journal of Medicine.  The seeds (the fruit is dry

and dehiscent, and mention of same is what indicated that the discussants

were not on the same page) are related to Plantago psyllium, the source of

such things as Metamucil, and can be used, boiled in milk to increase fiber

in the diet and promote regularity.  You don't need to spend $10 on a

container of MM anymore, as long as you are willing to engage in the tedious

task of gathering Plantago seeds!



It is confusing when two plants have the same common name, isn't it.  Very

easy to mix them up.  Hence the value of scientific names.



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D.

Director

Goosefoot Acres Center for Wild Vegetable Research and Education

1-800-697-4858 or Petergail@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:19:50 -0400

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: artificial sweeteners



Elaine - I understand Stevia's a tropical plant and hard to grow if climate

isn't right.  I bought some (powered leaf) from Steve Marsden of The Herbal

Advantage - he's a member of this list, so maybe he'll see this post & send

you his email address.  If he doesn't, email me direct & I'll give you his

snailmail address.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:19:46 -0400

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Pycnogenol



Jose - we just used it (i.e., grape seed oil) as a base for a rich

moisturizing cream in Howie Brounstein's herbal apprenticeship class, and

discovered it disappears into the skin in a flash, leaving utterly zip

residue.

   What I want to know is how to pronounce it    :-)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:35:04 -0400

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From:         ann joy <ajoy@CAPECOD.NET>

Subject:      Re: kudzo



At 08:49 AM 10/23/95 -0400, Peter Gail wrote:

>The plantain referred to here is not the tropical banana, but either Plantago

>lanceolata or Plantago major (Buckhorn and broad leaved plantain), the garden

>weed.



Peter...Thanks for your information on Plantain.....It was very helpful to me...



Now, for a question...I have seen the herb "kudzo" in a few health food

stores lately.

I cant seem to find any information on it in my books, other than it is a vine..

Does anyone know what it is and of what value, if any, it has???

Thanks, Ann



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:25:11 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me



>Anyway, the last time I was stung, I was

advised by a very elderly person to break up a cigarette, spit into it, crush

the leaves in the spittal and apply this as a poltice to the sting.



This reminds me of my grandfather's horse remedy. He used tobacco to heal

infections and hoof problems on his horses. It draws infections out,

according to the old farmer theory. I have used tobacco to get rid of aphid

on my plants too. (PS>I don't smoke or chew)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:42:34 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Bladder cancer



I have a friend who is suffering from bladder cancer. He is currently using

Essiac and it seems to help some. However, he still is developing cysts

and has just had several removed surgically. They are carcinogenic.

Anyone got any ideas for him?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:17:08 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me



>No, I take issue with that. Ma huang is primarily used for Cold-type Wind

Attacks, and for Wheezing disorders due to Cold. The use of a Hot herb like

Ma huang for bug bites, which are also Hot, is suspect, however temporarily

effective. If we are talking about anaphylactic shock (Collapse of the Yang),

then that is a different issue.



The main danger with Ma huang is that it is profoundly Heating and Drying,

and Exteriorizes Qi to the degree that it harms the Vessels. I believe it is

important to utilize the traditional language, since it is founded on

Yin/Yang theory, and on a physiology (and pathophysiology) uniquely suited to

the discussion of plant effects on the body.



pAUL, how about using chickweed for bites? I am still learning about this

yin yang approach. What would you suggest for anaphylactic shock?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:22:23 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Pycnogenol



OPC's are found in the skin, bark and seeds of many foods, which also happen

to be the part most people discard. Dr Masquelier patented a process to

extrzct the OPC's efficiently. fIT is relatively new information to the US.

It has been used in Europe for 30+ years. There's a good article in the

book "The Way of Herbs" (Tierra). Pycnogenol as extracted by Dr. M's

process is 80-95% OPC's depending on the source.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:56:33 PST

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From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      getting essential oils from citris fruit skin question



Hello all,



        I'm new to this thread and not sure what topics are allowed on here,

but will soon find out after this one.

        I am currently practicing with extracting citris essential oils from

the peels of citris fruits like lemons for instance and was reading many books

that talked about using a process involving steeping in oil or better in 60% or

better alcohol like vodka for instance.

        They described how it can be done from dried or fresh herbs mostly, but

peels would apply too.  when it said to use dried peels, before you were to dry

the peels, you must remove all of the pith on the inside of the peels to help

dry the peels faster and to prevent coloration and fungal/bacterial growth,

which I understand.

        My question is, that if I use fresh lemon peels in the oil or alcohol

extraction methods, do I need to remove the pith also here or can I leave it

on.  If I leave it on would it prevent a certain amount of the oil in the peels

from being extracted and/or would it contribute something not wanted from pith

itself(for instance if you were doing the extraction of the peel oil to use as

a fragrance of lemon and wanted it to be as pure as possible as the common

smell of lemons?)

        My mumble jumble here probably is not that good in informative, but any

ideas would be greatly appreciated.  The main question is should I bother to

remove all of the pith before extraction of the peel's oil?



thankyou,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:53:08 EDT

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From:         "Czekalski.E" <e.czekalski@MA02Q.BULL.COM>

Subject:      Canadian Burnet Rosacea



     Hello all,



     In a recent visit to the gardens at Smith college I saw a plant that

     looked like white anise hysopp and I'm thinking of trying to grow them

     together in a border or the middle of an herb bed.  It was labled

     Canadian Burnet Rosacea.  Anyone know if they are related?  Any herbal

     use?



     Propagate from seeds?  Difficult to get?



     Thank you in advance,



     Esther





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:39:21 -0400

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From:         ann joy <ajoy@CAPECOD.NET>

Subject:      Re-Kudzo



Hi!

  I have recently spotted the herb "Kudzo" in several of our local health

food stores recently...I could not find much information in my books

regarding this herb,except that it is a vine....What is it and what are its

uses!  Thanks for the info in advance!

  Thanks, Ann



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:14:08 -0400

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From:         ann joy <ajoy@CAPECOD.NET>

Subject:      Re: Bladder cancer



At 05:43 PM 10/23/95 -0400, Laura Formholtz wrote:

>idea   Provex

>  Hi!  This is not about bladder cancer.. But, the only way I can correspond..

I have been trying to send messages, but keep getting rejected....I need to

know the "correct address" to reply to!!  Thanks, Ann.....P.s..I have been

trying to send on"HERB@TREANPC.EGE.EDU.TR"   wHAT AM i DOING WRONG???

tHANKS!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 22:27:33 -0400

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: kudzo



Ann Joy wrote requesting info on Kudzu. I did a column on Kudzu and Japanese

Knotweed in the Business of Herbs some time ago.  Rather than repeat it, I'll

offer it to those who provide a snail mail address. Post the request directly

to me at petergail@aol.com, please, and don't clutter the list with this kind

of stuff.  Its hard enough to get through it now and keep up with the real

work that pays the bills.



There is a book on Kudzu which might also be useful.  It is The Book of

Kudzu- A Culinary and Healing Guide Second Ed 1985. William Shurteleff and

Akiko Aoyagi (Avery Press 120 Old Broadway, Garden City Park Ny 11040

1-800-548-5757.  At least this is the last address I have for them, and to my

knowledge it is still in print.



All the best

Peter Gail, Ph.D.

Goosefoot Acres Center for Simple Living (formerly Cntr for Wild Veg. Res.

and Ed)

P.O. Box 18016, Cleveland OH 44118   1-800-697-4858



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:00:32 -0800

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From:         Anita F Hales <JSAFH@ACAD1.ALASKA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: getting essential oils from citris fruit skin question



If you are only interested in extracting the oils, you might want to remove the

pith from the peel. However, the "pith " contains many bioflavonoids and

other nutrients that are beneficial. I can't imagine what you would not

want that is contained in the inner skin of citrus. My mother used to

encourage me to eat the inner "pith" of oranges and lemons for the extra

vitamins and boiflavonoids it contained.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 22:53:10 EDT

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From:         charles ferris <ferrisw@VORTEX.ITHACA.NY.US>

Organization: The Total Perspective Vortex BBS, Ithaca, NY

Subject:      horse chestnuts



Horse chestnuts contain a number of complex toxins.  GENERALLY these are

quite bitter or something to keep people/animals from eating them.

I do not believe there is any way to prepare horse chestnuts to make

them non-toxic.  They are also coated with a spiny shell to help to keep

animals from eating them.

ttyl.



--

charles ferris - ferrisw@vortex.ithaca.ny.us

The Total Perspective Vortex BBS, Ithaca, NY



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 22:55:25 EDT

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From:         charles ferris <ferrisw@VORTEX.ITHACA.NY.US>

Organization: The Total Perspective Vortex BBS, Ithaca, NY

Subject:      horse chesnuts



I believe the poisons are various glucasides (sp) and such.  I think they

are cardiac toxins, but I could be mistaken.



--

charles ferris - ferrisw@vortex.ithaca.ny.us

The Total Perspective Vortex BBS, Ithaca, NY



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:22:47 -0400

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From:         "Dr. Sussman" <aa062@INFO.LONDON.ON.CA>

Subject:      Re: Prostrate trouble prevention

In-Reply-To:  <951019221004_49198444@mail06.mail.aol.com>



Can/should Saw Palmetto be used for BPH prevention. If the answer is in

the affirmative than please tell me what the dose should be. I thank you

SS





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:21:30 -0400

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From:         Marilynne Durrett-Johnson <Mjbdj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: kudzo



I don't know about it's medicinal value, but it grows faster than any other

plant I know.  I live in rural North Carolina and it will take over my porch

in a summer if I don't keep cutting at it.  If you can find a value for this

stuff....I certainly could have a crop of it!



Thanks for any info!



Marilynne



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 00:07:23 -0400

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From:         Sandra Hoffman <ghidra@INFOWEB.MAGI.COM>

Subject:      Re: kudzo

In-Reply-To:  <951023224517_131220995@emout06.mail.aol.com>



On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Marilynne Durrett-Johnson wrote:



> I don't know about it's medicinal value, but it grows faster than any other

> plant I know.  I live in rural North Carolina and it will take over my porch

> in a summer if I don't keep cutting at it.  If you can find a value for this

> stuff....I certainly could have a crop of it!



If it's the stuff I'm thinking of, the processed roots make an excellent

thickener for soups, sauces and puddings. I really liked using it as a

thickener but it is horrendously expensive so I don't use it anymore.

I was told it is very soothing to the stomach, but the woman who told me

this said that Kukicha tea was soothing for the stomach also and that was

not my experience at all.



sph



ghidra@magi.com



"This will do," said the bunyip to himself.

"No one can see me here. I can be as handsome as I like."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:53:40 +0000

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From:         James Morley <jm12kg@LION.RBGKEW.ORG.UK>

Subject:      Re: getting essential oils from citris fruit skin question

Comments: To: Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

In-Reply-To:  <009984D7.D312F380.34@dhvx20.csudh.edu>



On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Edward Bennett wrote:



>         I am currently practicing with extracting citris essential oils from

> the peels of citris fruits like lemons for instance and was reading many books

> that talked about using a process involving steeping in oil or better in 60% or

> better alcohol like vodka for instance.



I'm afraid I can't answer your question, but you may be interested in a

conference early next year - "International Citrus Symposium" 29/1 - 1/2

in Orlando, Florida.  The organisers are Allured Publ. Corp. Fax. 708 653

2192 (no email).  I happened to receive a flyer on this this morning, and

I'm sure some of the speakers could give you the answer you are after.



James



--------------------------------------------------------------

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Centre for Economic Botany

Royal Botanic Gardens                    Tel. (0)181 332 5719

Kew, Richmond                            Fax. (0)181 332 5278

Surrey   TW9 3AE

UK                          WWW  http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/ceb

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:19:13 -0400

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From:         Maria Minno <afn10853@FREENET.UFL.EDU>

Subject:      Ma Huang



Dear Herb Discussion Group,



My physician recommended using Sudafed to relieve sinus swelling.  I

substituted Ma Huang.  I find that it dries my sinuses up, and am afraid it

may be exacerbating the condition.  The only medicine that gives relief is

aspirin, which has bad side effects.  Can anyone suggest an alternative?  A

homeopathic doctor gave me some potassium iodide in ethyl alcohol, which is

supposed to increase the flow of fluids over the mucous membranes, and it

seemed to work, but not very significantly.  I am still plagued with sinus

infections.  Any suggestions?



Maria Minno

afn10853@freenet.ufl.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:52:53 -0400

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From:         Susan Lowell <susan@OSF1.DC.LSOFT.COM>

Subject:      ARP Rosemary

In-Reply-To:  <199510232217.SAA24977@linus.dc.lsoft.com>



I live in DC, which is zone 7, I believe, and we leave the arp out all

winter and have done so for several years, and it is still going strong.

However, when the weather is going to be really cold (usually just a few

nights a year) and there's no snow around the plant (snow is a good

insulater), we pile a bunch of leaves all over it to keep it warm.  You

could also use a wall-of-water.  Personally, I find rosemary nearly

impossible to keep inside all winter; it just dies and is really

susceptible to root rot and other problems.  If you have a great greehouse

it might survive in there.  Good luck!!





....s



My feelings and opinions--don't blame L-Soft



Susan Lowell

Communications and Marketing Coordinator

L-Soft, international, Inc.

susan@lsoft.com

--We license authentic LISTSERV(TM)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:10:03 PDT

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From:         "Theresa Williams (Echo News)" <v-twill@MICROSOFT.COM>

Subject:      Herbal schools and professions



Hi all,



I am interested in growing herbs, using them medicinally and cooking

with them.  What reputable schools are available to further these

interests and what professions are available in the field of herb study

and use?



Thanks for any help you might be able to give.



Theresa

v-twill@microsoft.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:30:31 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Wasps and bees and me

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <01HWRYCBT3LYHSWW4Z@ua.acad1.alaska.edu> on 10/23/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: pAUL, how about using chickweed for bites? I am still learning about this

: yin yang approach. What would you suggest for anaphylactic shock?



Hmm. Chickweed I can't help you with, other than to look it up myself in

Tierra, or some such. As for anaphylactic shock, I would recommend the kits

that are used for such things. That is a medical emergency--while there may

well be herbal or homeopathic treatments, I have never had occasion to

research it.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:31:00 GMT

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Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Ma Huang

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199510241019.GAA07513@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu> on 10/24/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Dear Herb Discussion Group,

:

: My physician recommended using Sudafed to relieve sinus swelling.  I

: substituted Ma Huang.  I find that it dries my sinuses up, and am afraid it

: may be exacerbating the condition.  The only medicine that gives relief is

: aspirin, which has bad side effects.  Can anyone suggest an alternative?  A

: homeopathic doctor gave me some potassium iodide in ethyl alcohol, which is

: supposed to increase the flow of fluids over the mucous membranes, and it

: seemed to work, but not very significantly.  I am still plagued with sinus

: infections.  Any suggestions?



Strong peppermint tea.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:02:13 -0700

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Ma Huang

In-Reply-To:  <199510241019.GAA07513@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu>



On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Maria Minno wrote:



> Dear Herb Discussion Group,

>

> My physician recommended using Sudafed to relieve sinus swelling.  I

> substituted Ma Huang.  I find that it dries my sinuses up, and am afraid it

> may be exacerbating the condition.  The only medicine that gives relief is

> aspirin, which has bad side effects.  Can anyone suggest an alternative?  A

> homeopathic doctor gave me some potassium iodide in ethyl alcohol, which is

> supposed to increase the flow of fluids over the mucous membranes, and it

> seemed to work, but not very significantly.  I am still plagued with sinus

> infections.  Any suggestions?

>

> Maria Minno

> afn10853@freenet.ufl.edu

>

        Yes ephedra is to drying for some people. Sitting down and doing

a complete health analysis with a good practitioner is probably the best

solution, however I've had good sucess with Yerba Santa, Eriodictyon

californicum. I prefer tincture over tea since it's a resiny herb. The

resin's and volatile oils help fight infection and it's warming and

drying to the respiratory system, seems to help with inflamation as well

even tho it seems slightly warming. Good luck. Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:15:46 -0400

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From:         Shirley Traite <traite@SDAC.HARVARD.EDU>

Subject:      Re: HELP !  alopecia areata



My daughter has had bouts with alopecia areata so I did some reading

awhile ago.  Unfortunatley I don't have any references but this is

what I remember.  (I am not a medical person.  This info is just from

my own experience and research.)



Basically it is an auto-immune disorder that will respond to steroids

but if you stop taking steroids the hair will fall out again.

Recommended treatment is to do nothing and let it run its course.  My

daughter had it on and over for 2 years but so far she's been free for

about 1.5 years.   I was told it could come back any time.



Some references say that it is caused by stress others say it isn't.



There is a type of alopecia where people loss ALL their hair and it never comes

back but alopecia areata is not that.



I don't know of any herbs that can help specifically but I might try

various herbs that strengthen the immune system.



My Best.

------

Shirley Traite (traite@sdac.harvard.edu) |Harvard School of Public Health

Statistical Programmer                   |Blg 1, Rm 1204 677 Huntington Ave

Center for Biostatistics in AIDS Research|Boston, MA  USA 02115

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*************************************

NEW HERBAL RELATED SITE: HerbaNet

http://www.io.org/~herbs/

"The largest herbal related WWW site on the Internet"

*************************************



Hello everyone,



  First off let me introduce myself. My name's Jake Klamka and like

most of you in this group, I'm a strong supporter of herbal remedies

for medical problems.  For over 4 months now, I have been working

on a herbal related site which I call "HerbaNet"... And now

finally it's done, and it's one of the (if not, the) largest

herbal related WWW site on the Internet!



  One of the main parts of "HerbaNet" is the Herbal Guide. This is

a guide to over 200 herbs! For each herb/herbal combination listed in

the Herbal Guide, there is information provided on what the herb

is used for, what ingredients are used (if it's a combination herb),

and what are the recommendations of use. I have also included an option

so that you can order the herbs on-line (but even if you don't want

to order, there is a vast amount of information).



  Another area that I have made is called the "HerbaNet Information

Center", here I have made a database of links which take you directly

to over 120 herbal related articles, FAQs, programs, images etc... I also

have put together a list of over 25 links to other herbal related homepages.



  So please, come and visit "HerbaNet" at:



http://www.io.org/~herbs/



  Enjoy!





                                        Herbally Yours,



                   Jake Klamka

                                        HerbaNet webmaster

                                        herbs@io.org

                                        http://www.io.org/~herbs/



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:10:32 -0400

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From:         "F. Alex Hamill.User." <Leaflight@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: getting essential oils from citris fruit skin question



I am also fairly new to this group, and was sure that there would be a better

response than I could have made to your question...but haven't seen one yet!

 My information may or may not be useful, but...

As I understand so far, what is usually refered to as 'essential oils' are

phenolic compounds which are pretty volatile and would be lost in the process

of drying.  Also, being or having characteristics of oils, not miscible in

alcohol.  Tinctures, being alcohol extracts of plant parts (in this case,

anyway) are good at nabbing those compounds which are alcohol-miscible, most

also coming out in decoction or infusion...so I would think the soaking in

oil is a better method of getting at the essential oils, as the volatile

essentials will (theoretically) become suspended in the added oil.  Hmmm.

 But, if a larger scale extraction is desired, then you'd want to look at

ordering a set of glassware for distilation.  If the aromatic oils you seek

are heat stable, then you'd distil them just like any other simple

distilation.  Mush up your orange peels and add something boiling at a higher

temperature (water would be ok, I think, because these volatiles would have a

lower vapor pressure) and heat it and collect the portion that comes off

before your water does.  I think quite a few oranges would be  invested

before good quantities of the oil are obtained, but the distilate would be

fairly pure.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:59:12 -0400

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From:         Lisa L Helms <LLHelms@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Barleygreen and Ginseng



A friend of mine has recently started taking a product called Barleygreen, a

powdered form of barleygrass which is mixed with juice or water.  It is sold

by the American Image Marketing Company in Nampa Idaho.



Does anyone know whether this really works? He is 48 years old, in good

health, and says that he has more energy now than before he started taking

this product and Ginsana.



Please share your theories/stories on these two products. Thank you!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:49:37 -0400

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From:         MARIA A TURCO <TURCOMAR@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU>

Subject:      alpha/omega & super b-g-a -Reply



Laura wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Klamath Falls is not accessible to the average person.  It's not used

for swimming or other man-made activities.  It is surrounded by

mountains which provide purity in the air surrounding it.

  - (snip) -

    That sounds great , but...

Now please allow me to preface this with the fact that I have no

proof there is a friend of mine who owns a health food store in NJ

where I buy all of my herbs, he has a friend who supposedly lives

near a lake ( I think is called Klamath also, I would imagine it is

the same source of water, but may be wrong) - his friend says that

all of the locals laugh at the foreigners coming for the algae

because the lake is polluted!  Subsequently, my friend will not carry

any algae from that source at all.



Again, this is just what I've heard, word of mouth so please don't

jump on the messenger when she admits the message is strained for

proof!



Incidently, does anyone know much about the algae to tell me if there

are different types?  I have friends that have to take (2) capsules

of the algae: 1 is "alpha" and the other is "omega" and they have to

take both.  I haven't seen this anywhere else and I know that they

can only buy that type of B-G- algae from a certain distributor - it

is not sold in stores.  Is that a scam to boost their algae?



thanks



Maria

Turcomar@lanmail.shu.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:48:01 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ma Huang



>: My physician recommended using Sudafed to relieve sinus swelling.  I

>: substituted Ma Huang.  I find that it dries my sinuses up, and am afraid it

>: may be exacerbating the condition.  The only medicine that gives relief is

>: aspirin, which has bad side effects.  Can anyone suggest an alternative?  A

>: homeopathic doctor gave me some potassium iodide in ethyl alcohol, which is

>: supposed to increase the flow of fluids over the mucous membranes, and it

>: seemed to work, but not very significantly.  I am still plagued with sinus

>: infections.  Any suggestions?



Wash your nose out often. Get a nosespray bottle, dump out the chemical

stuff. Use fresh clean water, perhaps a little dandelion tincture (gentle

soothing)( like 1 dropper per 2 oz water).



Snuff it until the water drips into your throat.



This helps with all kinds of allergies and sinus infections.



Seems our culture lacks nose washing rituals, and even picking your nose is

a no-no. But sometimes our bodies need a little help to keep clean.



Like others have mentioned, remember to check into environmental causes,

lifestyle, and diet.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:56:39 -1000

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From:         PC Consultants <twheeler@MAUI.NET>

Subject:      Tincture of Benzoin



Hello All:



Though not strictly about an herb, per se, I am experimenting w/making

herbal salves.  They are a beeswax/herb-infused-olive-oil base, and it was

recommended to possibly include tincture of benzoin in the salve.



Can anybody tell me what the purpose of benzoin is, and how it affects salves?



Thanks, Martha



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:10:06 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Tincture of Benzoin



>Can anybody tell me what the purpose of benzoin is, and how it affects salves?



 Martha,



The tincture of Benzoin is a preservative to keep the oils from becoming

rancid. I don't use it because I don't like the smell. As an alternative,

use vitamin E.



500 IU's per cup oil should do it.



It's not enough to really add the medicinal skin effects of vit. E, but your

salve will stay good. Also good for herb infused oils.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:35:36 PST

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From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      Re: getting essential oils from citris fruit skin question



thanks all on informing me of the correct methods of extractions of oils and

components of herbs/fruit.  The essential oils being volatile and evaporating

mostly during drying makes sense.  So I assume I must be talking about the

fragrance oils in the herbs/fruits that some of my books say can be extracted

both in steeping in oil and by alcohol which they say as a form of making

perfume/cologne, they could be wrong.  I know that alcohols are polar depending

on the size of the carbon chain to which the hydroxyl funtional group is

attached to.  I know that oils are mostly immiscible in alcohols, but my

question is then, what makes up the fragrance, the oil or some alcohol soluble

compounds?  If its the oil which as others say will not mix with the alcohol,

how does the alcohol become scented in tinctures to an extent, suspension(not

sure if correct terminology)?



either way I have gained alot of knowledge from your letters and have learned

to an extent the difference between essential oils(which must be distilled off

from fresh substances) and fragrance oils.





thanks,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 05:29:36 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: alpha/omega & super b-g-a -Reply

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <s08d4fbd.098@LANMAIL.SHU.EDU> on 10/24/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Incidently, does anyone know much about the algae to tell me if there

: are different types?  I have friends that have to take (2) capsules

: of the algae: 1 is "alpha" and the other is "omega" and they have to

: take both.  I haven't seen this anywhere else and I know that they

: can only buy that type of B-G- algae from a certain distributor - it

: is not sold in stores.  Is that a scam to boost their algae?



Total scam.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 00:51:00 PDT

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From:         Johanna <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

Subject:      stomach cancer



I have a friend who has stomach cancer, newly diagonsed. Most of the reading

I have done suggest prevention possibilities but I can't find anything on

what to do after the fact. Herbally, wholistically,etc., is this a treatable

condition?  Suggestions welcome and thanks.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:15:41 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ma Huang



My physician recommended using Sudafed to relieve sinus swelling.  I

: substituted Ma Huang.  I find that it dries my sinuses up, and am afraid it

: may be exacerbating the condition.  The only medicine that gives relief is

: aspirin, which has bad side effects.  Can anyone suggest an alternative?  A

: homeopathic doctor gave me some potassium iodide in ethyl alcohol, which is

: supposed to increase the flow of fluids over the mucous membranes, and it

: seemed to work, but not very significantly.  I am still plagued with sinus

: infections.  Any suggestions?



Did your physician tell you why you are having recurring sinus infections?

 Is it bacterial (as in an infection of the upper respiratory tract), or is

it allergy related?  You should ask  those questions of your physician so

that you can take corrective action.



Personally, I cannot take Sudafed, or any product that contains an

antihistamine. Know how the result should be drowsiness?  Not for me...I'm on

a speeding train and can't wait to stop! But, there are several botanicals

that can help you ease your symptoms.  I'm bothered by hayfever now & then,

and I use Sun Source products which can be found in any good health food

store, and many supermarkets.  They make several homeopathic formulas for

colds, flu, allergy and sinus relief, etc.  You'll find them to be very

effective (although they make take a little longer than Sudafed), without

side effects, and actually less expensive than commercial OTC products.  Good

luck!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:18:31 -0400

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: chickweed

Comments: To: listserv@vm.ege.edu.tr



In response to the posting asking about chickweed for bites, after agreeing

with Paul that bites should be handled with the kit (our daughter, who uses

herbs for most things, carries her Adarax and Epinephrine all the time),

chickweed is primarily a cooling herb. Fresh leaves as a poiltice or ointment

has been used to cool skin irritations, and the tea has been used for

coughts, colds, hoarseness and hemorrhoids, as well as for sore eyes and

arthritic conditions.



The primary herbal bite remedies are jewelweed (Impatiens capensis or

pallida), plaintain (the plantago type I spoke about in an earlier posting),

and yellow or curly dock (Rumex crispus or acetosa).  I have been told that

garden Impatiens works also, but it hasn't worked for me.  All the above are

good for bee and yellow jacket stings, mosquito and other insect bites,

nettle rash, poison ivy and oak, and other related skin irritations. I have

also been told that burdock (Arctium lappa or A. minus) is good for

irritations, also (among other things) but I've never tried it.



I'll send a copy of my Business of Herbs column on chickweed if you provide a

snail mail address.



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D.

Director, Goosefoot Acres Center for Wild Vegetable Research and Education

P.O. Box 18016, Cleveland OH 44118  (800)697-4858



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 12:51:46 PST

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From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      dead sea salts in bath salt mixture



Hello all,



        Had a quick question, was reading a book that had a recipe for a

aromatic bath salt mix and one of the ingredients was dead sea salts.  Is this

used only for softening the water for relaxing feelings or is there some extra

therapeutic effect or chemicals that are released by these salts?  If not,

would regular, coarse sundried sea salts work as well, like the ones sold in

large bags at home/hardward centers(don't know what they are used for there)?



thankyou,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:10:52 -0400

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From:         "Theresa Williams (Echo News)" <v-twill@MICROSOFT.COM>

Subject:      FW: chickweed



Peter,



I'd like to find out more about the newsletter or column you mention

"Business of Herbs" as well as your organization.  My snail mail address is:



Theresa Williams

18822  312th Ave NE

Duvall, WA  98019



Thanks!



tw

----------

From: Peter Gail  <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

To: Multiple recipients of list HERB  <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Subject: Re: chickweed

Date: Wednesday, October 25, 1995 11:18AM



In response to the posting asking about chickweed for bites, after agreeing

with Paul that bites should be handled with the kit (our daughter, who uses

herbs for most things, carries her Adarax and Epinephrine all the time),

chickweed is primarily a cooling herb. Fresh leaves as a poiltice or ointment

has been used to cool skin irritations, and the tea has been used for

coughts, colds, hoarseness and hemorrhoids, as well as for sore eyes and

arthritic conditions.



The primary herbal bite remedies are jewelweed (Impatiens capensis or

pallida), plaintain (the plantago type I spoke about in an earlier posting),

and yellow or curly dock (Rumex crispus or acetosa).  I have been told that

garden Impatiens works also, but it hasn't worked for me.  All the above are

good for bee and yellow jacket stings, mosquito and other insect bites,

nettle rash, poison ivy and oak, and other related skin irritations. I have

also been told that burdock (Arctium lappa or A. minus) is good for

irritations, also (among other things) but I've never tried it.



I'll send a copy of my Business of Herbs column on chickweed if you provide a

snail mail address.



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D.

Director, Goosefoot Acres Center for Wild Vegetable Research and Education

P.O. Box 18016, Cleveland OH 44118  (800)697-4858



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:29:36 -0400

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From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      ARP ROSEMARY



Mary Pinkney <mpinkney@SATURN.EXECULINK.COM> writes:



> Hello!  I have an Arp Rosemary plant growing in my garden

> outside.  It is supposed to be a winter hard strain.  I was

> wondering if I should leave it outside or should I try to dig

> it up and bring it inside in a pot for the winter?  Or is it

> also to late in the year to do this?  I am new to gardening and

> I live in Woodstock, Ontario, Canada.  Woodstock is in the

> southwestern part of Ontario.



Arp rosemary is hardier than other varieties, but it is really only

reliably hardy to zone 7. Customers have gotten it to survive zone

6 areas (downtown Toronto, e.g.) some winters but a hard winter last

year's will kill it.



Here are some strategies for increasing your chances of wintering

the plant:



 1. plant near sunny, south-facing wall, well protected from the

    north wind (but DON'T) move now if that is not its location

    now -- wait till next spring to translplant)

 2. make sure the soil has excellent drainage; add sand if soil is

    clay (but wait till next spring to do that)

 3. apply a mulch like straw or dead leaves after the ground

    freezes solid but before the first permanent snowfall

    (Dec. in southern Ontario)

 4. remove the mulch after the ground starts to thaw up in

    spring (April in s. Ontario)



If you choose to bring your plant in now you are faced with the

problem of transplant shock and, more importantly, the adjustment

the plant will have to make to the lower light of indoors.  Many

people fail to winter over rosemary indoors because they do not

allow their potted plants an adjustment time -- one month -- to

get used the lower light while still outdoors before bringing the

potted rosemaries in.



Either way there are risks for failure.  You might consider

trying to take cuttings and leave the mother plant out.



Conrad Richter



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:42:00 -0400

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From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Comfrey



Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU> writes:



> A few months later the girl wandered into the nursery,

> "How is your mother's leg?" we asked.

> "Completely cured," she replied.

> Comfrey ointment can be used, in place of poultices although a fresh plant

> poultice always heals more quickly. Apply the ointment liberally once or

> twice a day to the edges of the ulcer-working from the good skin to the

> bad. Comfrey promotes the growth of healthy tissue.



This sort of story is happening all over the world despite the

comfrey witchhunt that is underway. We have lots of similar

stories ourselves.



Unfortunately, even leading figures in the herb industry have bought

into the notion that comfrey is a "bad" plant.  It is important to

realize that the problems with comfrey relate to its use in non-

traditional ways, namely the everyday consumption for the treatment

of chronic disease, or more significantly, as a nutritional

supplement.  Comfrey was touted as a rich source of protein and as

a vegetable source of vitamin B12, so there was considerable interest

in its nutritional impact.  But comfrey was NEVER used in this way,

traditionally.



Yes, there is evidence that internal consumption can cause liver

damage.  And yes frequent internal use of the leaves or roots can

be risky.  But external use, the traditional usage of comfrey, is

generally safe, despite the claims of some over-zealous public

health officials and of, even, herb experts.



Hey, if I had life-threatening gangrene, skin ulcers, or whatever,

I would not hesitate to use comfrey poultice or ointment.



Conrad Richter



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:26:47 -0400

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From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Richters HerbLetter 95/10/25

Comments: To: herb-list@richters.com



-----------------------   Richters Herbletter   ------------------------

   Published by:     Richters, Canada's Herb Specialists

                     Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada

   Editor:           Conrad Richter <conrad@richters.com>



                     *** Trial issue: feedback welcome ***

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Issue ID: 95/10/25 22:00 GMT



Contents

------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Herb Suppliers Travel World; Search is on for New Plants

------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Stephen Leahy

   GOODWOOD, Ont., Oct. 19, Toronto Star -- Conrad Richter travels the

globe searching for herb plants.  He worries traditional knowledge about

using the estimated 100,000 plants in the world is being lost as indigeneous

cultures become westernized.

   To his way of thinking, this is a greater loss than the decomation of

the rain forests.

   "It took hundreds of generations of trial and error to acquire this

knowledge which could be gone within a generation," he says, shortly after

a trip to Africa.

   Richter's concern is both personal and professional.  With his mother

Waltraut, he runs Richters, one of Canada's largest herb growers and

suppliers.  Their 10-acre herb farm, on Bloomington Rd. just west of

Uxbridge, is the centre of a world-wide network of growers and customers

for hundreds of different plants and seeds.

   There are herbs for the kitchen such as West African basil or the Swiss

grolau chives.  For fragrance, there's India's rose-scented geranium grass

and for colds, China's bur marigold.

   While their customers are equally far-flung, most of the 100,000 who

receive their annualy 100-page herb catalogue are in Canada and the United

States.

   The business got its start when Waltraut Richter and her husband Otto

emigrated to Canada from Austria in the 1950s.  Trained in the nursery

business, they soon had a thriving enterprise in bedding plants in north

Pickering.

   Unable to get herbs here, they started growing their own.  Word soon got

around and more and more people came looking for herbs to freshen up their

cooking or just to have some pleasant-smelling plants around the house.

   The interest attracted the attention of a writer at The Star and a feature

article in 1969 put the Richters into the herb business.

   "Hundreds of people called after that article," Conrad recalls.

   It was a good thing, too.  A few years later, the provincial government

expropriated their farm and 29,000 square feet of greenhouses for the future

city of Cedarwood, later called Seaton.  Forced to move farther north with

only enough money to re-build 6,000 square feet of greenhouses, their bedding

plant business collapsed.

   The Richters suffered significant financial losses, but Conrad says his

parents would not give up.  And thanks to the growing interest in herbs, they

were able to survive.

   The Richters didn't give up their fight over what they believed was

inadequate compensation for the expropriation. After 20 years, the province's

land compensation board will hear their case this fall.

   Most of their plants are sold by mail.  To ensure safe delivery of delicate

plants, the Richters invented their own shipping box.  From 6 to 36 plants

can safely [be] shipped almost anywhere in the world.

   "The box can be turned upside down and kicked like a football and the

plants will be fine," he says.

   Inventing a foolproof shipping container was a straight-forward problem

compared with identifying and using the tens of thousands of herbs that are

little known here [in] North America.

   While travelling recently in Ghana, Conrad was shown a three-foot shrub

in the middle of a field by a local herbalist and told it was good for severe

headaches.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

   Richters Herb Catalogue: 100 pages, colour, over 730 herb plants,

   seeds, and dried herbs.  Order by email at catalog@richters.com.

------------------------------------------------------------------------





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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 19:55:24 -0400

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From:         "Sherwood S. Tucker" <DDS1@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Tincture of Benzoin



In a message dated 95-10-25 00:14:41 EDT, you write:



>>Can anybody tell me what the purpose of benzoin is, and how it affects

>>salves?

>

> Martha,

>

>The tincture of Benzoin is a preservative to keep the oils from becoming

>rancid. I don't use it because I don't like the smell. As an alternative,

>use vitamin E.

>

>500 IU's per cup oil should do it.

>

>It's not enough to really add the medicinal skin effects of vit. E, but your

>salve will stay good. Also good for herb infused oils.



I use tincture of benzoin and myrrrrrh to coat the tissues after

electrosurgery.  I think it smells great!



Sherwood S. Tucker DDS FAGD

dds1@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:06:36 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         NaturalVet@AOL.COM

Subject:      total body cleansing program ?



does anyone have any suggested programs / protocols to follow if someone was

trying to cleanse their entire system - inside and out - blood, internal

organs, fat cells, liver cells, skin, etc.  ie, a total body tune up /

roto-rooter !?



NaturalVet@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:16:00 PDT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Ian Lloyd <illoyd@DUNCAN.ISLAND.NET>

Subject:      ashwangada



Hi, I have some ashwangada growing in my kitchen out of control. What should

I do with?

Ian Lloyd, Pharmacist

"I do it to try to end the suffering...

and I do it for the Nobodies."

Alan Grant, Batman:Shadow of the Bat #13



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:30:17 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Tincture of Benzoin



>>The tincture of Benzoin is a preservative to keep the oils from becoming

>>rancid. I don't use it because I don't like the smell.



>I use tincture of benzoin and myrrrrrh to coat the tissues after

>electrosurgery.  I think it smells great!



Yeah, it's a personal call! ;-)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:33:50 EDT

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From:         Rene Burrough <100735.543@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Chickweed



Anita Hales,

This is a delayed take...so I don't have the appropriate msg slugs, etc.



Anaphylactic shock is life threatening, and I am not qualified to comment.

However, in less serious cases of bee & wasp stings, chickweed cream could

certainly be helpful if the insect sting was still in the wound.

Chickweek cream is a super drawing salve.  I always swore by slippery elm for

splinters, etc. until I saw chickweed cream do magic things for boils. They

now run even in my thinking.



Chickweed cream is good for splinters as well as stings; burns and scalds

after the usual cold water first aid treatment, and is wonderful on eczema

particularly where there's itching. And there may be residual itching after

the sting from all that blood that's rushed into the area.



Rene Burrough



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:34:30 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: stomach cancer

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <9510252033.AA04073@rvcux1.RVC.CC.IL.US> on 10/25/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: > Pycnogenol has been found to help in cancer cases.  Email me for

: further info > as I don't want to upset people on this list by

: posting to all. >

: > Laura

: >

: Laura,

:

: I would appreciate some infor on this subject please.



ARGH. Is this going to turn into an entrepreneur of the hour mailgroup?

Cancer is serious--Pycnogenol is NOT on the first line of substances to take.

'Found to help'--what the hell does that mean?



Noncommercialism has been found to help all illnesses (and therapies).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:13:18 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Susan Gayle Wynn <swynn@EMORY.EDU>

Subject:      Re: total body cleansing program ?

Comments: To: NaturalVet@aol.com

In-Reply-To:  <951025230632_133095245@mail04.mail.aol.com>



And I have a supplemental question to this one.  We hear an awful lot

about cleansing and detoxification in the majority of complementary

medical systems.  Does anyone have any idea what this actually means?  I

can understand the physicall nature of colon cleansing, and the *idea* of

having stored lipid soluble toxins release from fat, but what does a

liver cleanse mean in physiologic terms?  I just hate to hear this term

bandied about when no one has a good feel for it, and I have talked with

quite a few MDs and PhDs who don't know either.  Any help out there?  If

there are responses to this question, can someone name mechanisms along

with the response?





Susan G. Wynn, DVM



On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 NaturalVet@aol.com wrote:



> does anyone have any suggested programs / protocols to follow if someone was

> trying to cleanse their entire system - inside and out - blood, internal

> organs, fat cells, liver cells, skin, etc.  ie, a total body tune up /

> roto-rooter !?

>

> NaturalVet@aol.com

>

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:38:10 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: total body cleansing program ?

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SV4.3.91.951026070933.4839B-100000@larry>



This is potentially one of the best topics to come along here.  Susan,

would you mind if I copy this to the HOLISTIC health list?  Seems more

appropriate there?



On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Susan Gayle Wynn wrote:



> And I have a supplemental question to this one.  We hear an awful lot

> about cleansing and detoxification in the majority of complementary

> medical systems.  Does anyone have any idea what this actually means?  I

> can understand the physicall nature of colon cleansing, and the *idea* of

> having stored lipid soluble toxins release from fat, but what does a

> liver cleanse mean in physiologic terms?  I just hate to hear this term

> bandied about when no one has a good feel for it, and I have talked with

> quite a few MDs and PhDs who don't know either.  Any help out there?  If

> there are responses to this question, can someone name mechanisms along

> with the response?

>

>

> Susan G. Wynn, DVM

>

> On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 NaturalVet@aol.com wrote:

>

> > does anyone have any suggested programs / protocols to follow if someone was

> > trying to cleanse their entire system - inside and out - blood, internal

> > organs, fat cells, liver cells, skin, etc.  ie, a total body tune up /

> > roto-rooter !?

> >

> > NaturalVet@aol.com



Jack van Luik, MBA   DATA CONCEPTS   Ridgefield WA

Developing Heavy Duty Accounting Systems, using dBase/Clipper/Foxpro/Access.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:13:14 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Mary Lou Sparks <WIPUBREL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Ear problems



TO those with possible ear problems:



This is a simplistic plea.



Please find out from your doctor if you have an inner ear infection.  And zap

it immediately.  Do not let it linger.



I had a problem that may have started with allergies and my nose draining for

quite some time.  The ear infection was never diagnosed until it was too

late.



My ears started ringing one at a time.  And then it developed into full time

ringing and sometimes screeching.  I have Tinnitus.  And am doing everything

I can to cure it or at least diminish it.



So do not wait...find out what is wrong with your ears -- go to an ENT or Ear

Specialist.  Good luck.  Eail me direct for more info on Tinnitus. Mary Lou.

 (WIPUBREL @ ol.com)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 18:44:34 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: stomach cancer

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951026084103_54781279@emout06.mail.aol.com> on 10/26/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Oh Paul...having another pleasant day are we?  First of all, I know

: Pycnogenol isn't a cure all, secondly, found to help means just

: that.  We are not allowed to claim it as a cure, so I don't.  It

: does help produce more oxygen in the system.



If you don't say 'it cures cancer' because 'you aren't allowed to,' then you

are a bigger fool than you seem. Pycnogenol DOESN'T CURE cancer.



As for 'oxygen in the system'--this is rank ignorance. The product is an

ANTI-OXIDANT! What do you think THAT means?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 13:33:00 PDT

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From:         Jo <ray_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>



    ...what then is "on the first line of substances to take" for stomach

cancer, please.

thank-you.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:00:10 EDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Czekalski.E" <e.czekalski@MA02Q.BULL.COM>

Subject:      Canadian Burnet Rosacea



     At the risk of annoying, I'm sending this again.  I don't know how to tell

     if the list recieved it the first time.  (I see my posts on other list but

     never here, so I assume that's normal.)  First time I haven't had at least

     one response though.



     Hello all,



     In a recent visit to the gardens at Smith college I saw a plant that

     looked like white anise hysopp and I'm thinking of trying to grow them

     together in a border or the middle of an herb bed.  It was labled

     Canadian Burnet Rosacea.  Anyone know if they are related?  Any herbal

     use?



     Propagate from seeds?  Difficult to get?



     Thank you in advance,



     Esther





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:35:09 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@MAIL.ORION.ORG>

Subject:      Re: ARP Rosemary

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.OSF.3.91.951024104721.12778F-100000@osf1.dc.lsoft.com>



On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Susan Lowell wrote:



> I live in DC, which is zone 7, I believe, and we leave the arp out all

> winter and have done so for several years, and it is still going strong.

> However, when the weather is going to be really cold (usually just a few

> nights a year) and there's no snow around the plant (snow is a good

> insulater), we pile a bunch of leaves all over it to keep it warm.  You

> could also use a wall-of-water.  Personally, I find rosemary nearly

> impossible to keep inside all winter; it just dies and is really

> susceptible to root rot and other problems.  If you have a great greehouse

> it might survive in there.  Good luck!!



I grow my Rosemary, Basil, lemon Basil, Thyme, and Eucalyptus in one of

my hydroponic units.  No problem with root rot.



Stephen J. Marsden, The Herbal Advantage

Route 3, Box 93

Rogersville, MO 65742-9214

Phone: 417-753-3999  Fax: 417-753-2000

SMARSDEN@MAIL.ORION.ORG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:39:16 -0700

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Bonfire <skeevers@NETCOM.COM>

Subject:      Increasing flexibility

Comments: To: HOLISTIC <HOLISTIC%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>



Howdy!



I've just started studying belly dancing, and have discovered that I am

woefully inflexible...  I've heard that lecithin is good for people who

are trying to increase their flexibility.  Does anyone know if this is

true?  Are there any other herbs or vitamins that might also help?  I am

not looking for a cure-all, but for anything that would help my muscles

recuperate more quickly from the stretching routine that I am putting

them through.



Bon                                             skeevers@netcom.com

|)(|



                    She's got a new kind of jelly

                         in her jelly roll.

                            --Aerosmith



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 19:59:20 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Canadian Burnet Rosacea



"Czekalski.E" <e.czekalski@MA02Q.BULL.COM> writes:



>      At the risk of annoying, I'm sending this again.  I don't know how to te

>      if the list recieved it the first time.  (I see my posts on other list b

>      never here, so I assume that's normal.)  First time I haven't had at lea

>      one response though.

>

>      Hello all,

>

>      In a recent visit to the gardens at Smith college I saw a plant that

>      looked like white anise hysopp and I'm thinking of trying to grow them

>      together in a border or the middle of an herb bed.  It was labled

>      Canadian Burnet Rosacea.  Anyone know if they are related?  Any herbal

>      use?

>

>      Propagate from seeds?  Difficult to get?



It's probably Sanguisorba canadensis.  Common name "American Great

Burnet".  Member of the Rosaceae family.  White flowers in spikes.

Apart from the superficial resemblance, no relation to anise hyssop,

a member of the Lamiaceae family.  Native to swamps and low meadows

from Newfoundland to Michigan, south to Georgia (according to

Britton & Brown).



No idea where to get seeds or plants.  Try perennial or wildflower

specialists.



Conrad Richter



RICHTERS HERBS                     | Info:                 info@richters.com

Goodwood, ON  L0C 1A0, Canada      | Catalog Requests:  catalog@richters.com

Tel +1-905-640-6677  Fax 640-6641  | What's New for '95:    new@richters.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 01:16:48 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <m0t8YzD-0002KEC@vanbc.wimsey.com> on 10/26/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: ...what then is "on the first line of substances to take" for stomach

: cancer, please.

: thank-you.



The treatment of cancer herbally is very complex, and depends on the

condition of the patient, concommitant problems, and an actual appreciation

of the stage of the pathology. In other words, it is not a self-help illness.

Even a simple recommendation of ample vitamin C might be inappropriate due to

a particular weakness of the involved organ.



The Chinese have extensive experience with stomach cancer--it is one of the

major cancer forms they encounter. The book, The Treatment of Cancer by

Integrated Chinese-Western Medicine (published here in the U.S. by Blue Poppy

Press of Boulder, CO), has a section on stomach cancer that lists 5 different

pathological states (and even here, refinement is conceivable), and an

extensive list of formulas and modifications for each pattern. I would refer

you to that text for more information.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 26 Oct 1995 18:50:41 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Increasing flexibility

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.3.89.9510261518.A25962-0100000@netcom21>



According to the book "The Yoga of Herbs," turmeric is good for this.  Go

easy on it if you have a pitta-type constitution though (which I am

assuming you have based on how your phrased your letter).  Try cooking

with it often, as opposed to taking it in capsules or tea.



Peter                                           plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Bonfire wrote:



> Howdy!

>

> I've just started studying belly dancing, and have discovered that I am

> woefully inflexible...  I've heard that lecithin is good for people who

> are trying to increase their flexibility.  Does anyone know if this is

> true?  Are there any other herbs or vitamins that might also help?  I am

> not looking for a cure-all, but for anything that would help my muscles

> recuperate more quickly from the stretching routine that I am putting

> them through.

>

> Bon                                             skeevers@netcom.com

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:19:50 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Sherwood S. Tucker" <DDS1@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Comfrey

Comments: cc: conrad@richters.com



In a message dated 95-10-25 19:24:50 EDT, you write:



>generally safe, despite the claims of some over-zealous public

>health officials and of, even, herb experts.

>

>Hey, if I had life-threatening gangrene, skin ulcers, or whatever,

>I would not hesitate to use comfrey poultice or ointment.

>

>Conrad Richter

>

>RICHTERS HERBS                     | Info:                 info@richters.com

>Goodwood, ON  L0C 1A0, Canada      | Catalog Requests:  c



I live in Florida and I both my office manager and my spouse had gotten  into

the poison "oak/ivy/sumac?" .  It seems like it will NOT go away.  Both are

still suffering from the itch and a slight rash and it has been weeks now -

any ideas?



Sherwood S. Tucker DDS FAGD

dds1@aol.com



ps I still have not received a catalog - thanks



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:24:20 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Comfrey



In a message dated 95-10-27 07:13:19 EDT, you write:



>dds1@aol.com



To dds1, you may find jewelweed (Impatiens capensis or pallida) in FL, but if

not, plaintain (Plantago major) and/or dock (Rumex acetosella, R crispus)

applied as a poultice should provide relief.  Copies of columns on these

plants are available if you will provide your snail mail address.



Peter Gail

Goosefoot Acres Center for Simple Living (Formerly Wild Veg. Research & Ed)

P.O. Box 18016, Cleveland OH 44118  800-697-4858



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:06:35 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      eye care



Greetings herbophyles:  My S.O. and I have been discussing how our eyes feel

after too many hours of computer overindulgence.  I suggested maybe there's

an herbal eyewash formula out there which would soothe, clear, heal and

refresh, whereupon he replied, "there's nothing like Visene."  Any

suggestions out there based on actual experience?  I should add that I'd like

to be able to gather the herbs and make this eyewash myself - not purchase it

commercially.

Thanks in advance for any help.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:05:24 EDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Comments:     To: HOLISTIC <HOLISTIC%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

Comments:     Resent-From: lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Comments:     Originally-From: Bonfire <skeevers@NETCOM.COM>

From:         lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Subject:      Increasing flexibility



You might try rubbing some Tiger Balm or arnica massage oil into your

muscles after your work-out.  Arnica oil is my favorite -- I had a

friend rubbing it into my lower back while I was in labor and it really

seemed to help.



lesley







From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:09:17 EDT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Comments:     Resent-From: lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Comments:     Originally-From: Krispin Sullivan <krispin@crl.com>

From:         lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: total body cleansing program ?

Comments: cc: PARACELSUS@teleport.com



In response to the cleansing debate, I have forwarded this post from

the Paracelsus mailing list.  Paracelsus is a list for N.D.s, D.O.s,

D.C.s, M.H.s, etc.  Anyone professionally involved in the field of

complementary medicine.



lesley ann jones



----------------------------Original message----------------------------

I concur.  The body cleans itself regularly.  We are constantly shedding

the lining of the intestinal tract (approx. every 72 hours) and our skin

(approx. every 3 weeks).  Old cells die and new are born.  It is a great

system.  If it overloads- too many chemicals or lack of sleep or toxins

(like alcohol)  the liver and kidney may need some help to process the

junk.  Silymarin 600 mg increases production of SOD complexes and helps

hasten recovery of the liver.  I am sure there are other herbs and perhaps

some nutrients that may increase processing time in the kidney and liver.

But in general this is not necessary.  Laxatives do not 'clean' the

intestines.  In fact, most are irritating and in all probability do more

damage than good.



The only real detox program I have seen was developed to detox chemically

sensitive persons and police from chemical toxins (police apparently get

chemicals thrown on them when they bust illegal drug manufacturing plants.

The current place for this therapy is at Scientology 'churches'.  I am not

into Scientology- but the treatment works.  It is a series of sauna sweats

carefully monitored over a 3-6 weeks period.  Electrolytes and vitamins are

used in conjunction with the therapy.  Drug and chemical  residues

(pesticides, antibiotics and chlorine are some of them) in the tissues are

lowered by 94-99%.  Detoxers spend 5 hours a day 5 days a week for

several weeks in the low heat sauna.



For 'normal' persons the body should do a fine job of internal cleansing

with out the need of a detox program.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:59:39 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Theresa Williams (Echo News)" <v-twill@MICROSOFT.COM>

Subject:      FW: eye care



I've been using Eyebright capsules to help.  I also made a suspension

in the winter of eyebright and golden seal for my puppies eye

infection.  It was enough to clear it up.



Good luck in your search.



Theresa

v-twill@microsoft.com

----------

From: "Claudette A. Aras"  <Carras@AOL.COM>

To: Multiple recipients of list HERB  <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Subject: eye care

Date: Friday, October 27, 1995 11:06AM



Greetings herbophyles:  My S.O. and I have been discussing how our eyes feel

after too many hours of computer overindulgence.  I suggested maybe there's

an herbal eyewash formula out there which would soothe, clear, heal and

refresh, whereupon he replied, "there's nothing like Visene."  Any

suggestions out there based on actual experience?  I should add that I'd like

to be able to gather the herbs and make this eyewash myself - not purchase it

commercially.

Thanks in advance for any help.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:37:47 EDT

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From:         BOB SCOTT <URWD77A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Sweet Marjoram



I recently looked in a couple of books and saw that Marjoram was

listed as Origanum Marjoram and as Marjorana hortensis.Am I

misreading this? Is their a difference? Are they  2 different plants?

                          Thanks



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:52:37 -1000

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From:         PC Consultants <twheeler@MAUI.NET>

Subject:      Re: Comfrey



>I live in Florida and I both my office manager and my spouse had gotten  into

>the poison "oak/ivy/sumac?" .  It seems like it will NOT go away.  Both are

>still suffering from the itch and a slight rash and it has been weeks now -

>any ideas?



Hi Sherwood S. Tucker DDS FAGD:



Well, here's a bit of a lengthy treatise reprinted  w/o permission:



There are at least 1,000 cures for poison oak/ivy. But you only need one if

you can find one that works.



Preventive Measures

1.      Learn it, respect it, and keep your distance

2.      Always wash w/fels naphtha soap or green soap when you've been

walking anywhere near these poisons.

3.      Drink the milk of goats who graze on poison oak.



Things NOT To Do

1.      Don't use oil based preps such as salve or ointment.  PoisonOak/Ivy

are spread by oil.

2.      Avoid hot showers, water, and heat.  These will activate the poison

and spread the rash.

3.      Avoid sweets--even fruits and juices.  A yin type diet will agitate

the condition.



Teas To Drink

1.      Mugwort, witch hazel, white oak bark for astringent, drying properties

2.      For relaxation and nervous reactions:

        2 parts Valerian Root

        2 parts White Willow Bark

        Powder and cap in "0' size capsules.  Suggested amount: 2 caps x3/daily



External Treatment

1.      Apply clay mixed to paste w/water and/or apple cider vinegar. Leave

on until completely dry, then rinse off w/cool water.  Do not SCRUB off as

this will cause further irritation.

2.      Herbal Linament

        1 oz Golden Seal

        1 oz Myrrh Powder

        1/4 oz Cayenne

        Add to one pint alcohol and let sit in shaded warm area 14 days.

Strain and apply frequently.  You might have to dilute w/cold water.  It

should sting but not burn.

3.      Tincture:  Fill a jar w/ fresh picked and wilted mugwort.  Cover

w/apple cider vinegar.  Cover and let sit in in a warm shaded place 14 days.

Strain, add 2 Tbls salt per pint.  See above re: stinging.

4.      Put baking soda in tepid bath water and soak.

5.      Yogurt, which is slightly astringent and drying, is good on the skin.

6.      Apply fresh urine.



Hope one of these helps!



Martha



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:19:45 -0700

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Artemesia ludoviana (Silver King)



>Is it edible?  Can it be used in cooking or for tea?

>

>Is it anything like mugwort?  Could it be used in dream pillows?



I often use Artemisia ludoviciana, and I call it Mugwort. But then I call

all herbaceous (non-woody) Artemisia's mugwort. I'm not familiar with this

particular subspecies (silver king), but there are many subspecies of A.

ludoviciana. Every one I have seen could be used for dreams or medicinal

preparation.



Thy are kind of strong to use as food.



Howie

"insert snappy herb joke here"



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:40:25 -0400

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From:         "Cynthia Williams, D.C." <BunnyMom@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Increasing flexibility



In a message dated 95-10-27 03:38:33 EDT, you write:



> but for anything that would help my muscles

>recuperate more quickly from the stretching routine that I am putting

>them through.



I **honestly** believe that you will "recuperate" more quickly as time passes

and you keep performing.  To support this effort, make sure you are eating

well, drinking lots of water, getting sleep, and don't forget to  **breathe**

!!  (Many forget to breathe when they are doing something they are

concentrating on.)  I know this advice sounds old fashioned, but it works

with my patients every day.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:42:41 -0400

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From:         Marilynne Durrett-Johnson <Mjbdj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Comfrey



For poison ivy and other related itches, I use tea trea oil.  I found it

dries up the spots and relieves the itching at the same time.  Works for me

anyway.



Marilynne



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:13:25 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Sweet Marjoram



BOB SCOTT <URWD77A@PRODIGY.COM> writes:



> I recently looked in a couple of books and saw that Marjoram was

> listed as Origanum Marjoram and as Marjorana hortensis.Am I

> misreading this? Is their a difference? Are they  2 different plants?

>                           Thanks



These are latin synonyms for the same plant.  The former is the

currently accepted one.



Conrad Richter



RICHTERS HERBS                     | Info:                 info@richters.com

Goodwood, ON  L0C 1A0, Canada      | Catalog Requests:  catalog@richters.com

Tel +1-905-640-6677  Fax 640-6641  | What's New for '95:    new@richters.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:45:56 -0400

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From:         Karen <karen@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Re: Barleygreen and Ginseng



While I was living in Washington just out side of seattle, there were

several employees where I worked that took Barley Green, they liked it. But

it was so nasty looking I wouldnt try it.



Karen





At 07:59 PM 10/24/95 -0400, Lisa L Helms wrote:

>A friend of mine has recently started taking a product called Barleygreen, a

>powdered form of barleygrass which is mixed with juice or water.  It is sold

>by the American Image Marketing Company in Nampa Idaho.

>

>Does anyone know whether this really works? He is 48 years old, in good

>health, and says that he has more energy now than before he started taking

>this product and Ginsana.

>

>Please share your theories/stories on these two products. Thank you!

>

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 04:06:45 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Sherwood S. Tucker" <DDS1@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: total body cleansing program ?



In a message dated 95-10-26 17:00:45 EDT, you write:



>our colon contains a pound of bacteria and whatever feces are moving there.

>There is no way that a healthy individual has anything like 12 lbs. of

'gunk'

>in their colon. The colon doesn't 'store' anything, and its smooth walls

>CANNOT become encrusted.

>

>Entrepreneurial lies. One hateful fact of the healing world.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--



How about the little brown "flakes" that one sees in the COLON hydro therapy

machine and is told they have been encrusted for 15 years in the little

folds?



I read where during autopsys the colon walls are seen to be "encrustred" in a

lot of folks.



Yes ? NO?



Sherwood S. Tucker DDS FAGD

dds1@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 11:39:44 -0400

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Mark Gold <mgold@MAX.TIAC.NET>

Subject:      Re: total body cleansing program ?

Comments: To: holistic@siucvmb.siu.edu

Comments: cc: mgold@tiac.net



>Date:         Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:09:17 EDT

>From:         lesley ann jones <LAJONEZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU>

>Subject:      Re: total body cleansing program ?

>To:           Multiple recipients of list HERB <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>



Forwarded from another list:



>>I concur.  The body cleans itself regularly.  We are constantly shedding

>>the lining of the intestinal tract (approx. every 72 hours) and our skin

>>(approx. every 3 weeks).  Old cells die and new are born.  It is a great

>>system.  If it overloads- too many chemicals or lack of sleep or toxins

>>(like alcohol)  the liver and kidney may need some help to process the

>>junk.  Silymarin 600 mg increases production of SOD complexes and helps

>>hasten recovery of the liver.  I am sure there are other herbs and perhaps

>>some nutrients that may increase processing time in the kidney and liver.

>>But in general this is not necessary.  Laxatives do not 'clean' the

>>intestines.  In fact, most are irritating and in all probability do more

>>damage than good.



I believe that this is a misunderstanding of "colon cleansing."

Colon cleansing is simply a fast (or near fast) with a process to

assist in removing the waste that is dumped into the intestines.  The

"fast" being a very powerful, traditional way to help the body to

heal certain illnesses.  The colon cleansing keeps toxic chemicals

from getting recirculated into the system during the fast.  Some

people can do fine with a simple fast.  Others get enormous benefit

from the "colon cleansing" procedure when on a fast.



There are many people who insist that simply a healthy diet and the

proper herbs will gradually "cleanse" the body.  I believe that is

true in some cases.  On the other hand, I constantly meet people

who have not gotten anywhere or had very little success using the

*gradual* cleansing idea.  (Often the practitioner says that nothing

else can be done or blames the patient for not following the plan.)

The more open-minded practitioners in my area suggest that the

patient use a focused "colon cleansing" program (of fast) where

appropriate.  In fact, one well-known Oriental Medicine practitioner

in my area uses it to enhance his treatment when necessary.



The laxatives (usually psyllium husks) used on a colon cleansing

program will only be a problem if the person regularly uses them.

The idea, however, is to be focused -- plan the fast/cleanse,

perform the fast/cleanse, properly break the fast/cleanse, get back

to a normal, healthy diet supplemented with probiotic foods or

supplements.  The haphazard use of laxatives in colon cleansing

"products" that are sold in the store is damaging in my opinion.



As far as "cleansing" the colon goes, I do believe that there are many

problems with the colon that can be helped by a "colon clenase"

Microscopic ulcerations, diverticulosis, granulomas, hypersecretion of

mucus, imbalances of bacteria, pH imbalances, etc. can be helped, in my

opinion, by performing a colon cleanse where appropriate.



>>The only real detox program I have seen was developed to detox chemically

>>sensitive persons and police from chemical toxins (police apparently get

>>chemicals thrown on them when they bust illegal drug manufacturing plants.

>>The current place for this therapy is at Scientology 'churches'.  I am not

>>into Scientology- but the treatment works.  It is a series of sauna sweats

>>carefully monitored over a 3-6 weeks period.  Electrolytes and vitamins are

>>used in conjunction with the therapy.  Drug and chemical  residues

>>(pesticides, antibiotics and chlorine are some of them) in the tissues are

>>lowered by 94-99%.  Detoxers spend 5 hours a day 5 days a week for

>>several weeks in the low heat sauna.



This "skin cleansing" procedure is simply *one* form of cleansing,

theoretically focusing on toxic chemicals built up in the fatty

tissues.  It is a completely different procedure from fasting/colon

cleansing but has some similar and some different benefits.  I would

definately not say that it is the only useful detoxification technique.

I do agree that many chemically-injured and chemically-sensitive persons

have had success with this type of treatment (and many have had success

with colon cleansing as well).



The downside about performing the version that Hubbard developed at

the Scientology center is that it is almost impossible to avoid some

Scientology sales.  When I did it, I was very clear that I didn't

want to be bothered during the process.  Relative to their usual

pushy sales techniques they left me alone, but it was still slightly

stressful when they talked about their other (expensive!) programs

with me.  I would be very wary of recommending to someone who is ill

that they go to the Scientology center to perform this cleanse,

mostly because of the sales.  Otherwise, I found it to be a

surprisingly good program.



Fortunately, there are a few other places where such a program can be

performed that is not at a Scientology center.  These programs,

however, are usually much more expensive than the Scientology program

("Purification Rundown").



In addition, there are simplier "skin cleansing" techniques which

can be performed at home.



Best regards,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

             http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/health.html

    (Web articles on Food & Nutrition, Yoga, aspartame/NutraPoison,

     sweetener resources, stevia, toxic carpeting, rBGH, fluoride,

     detoxification, mental health resources.  Much more to come.

         Lots of links to medical and holistic healing sites.

          Will email articles if you do not have WWW access.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 10:02:20 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Alison Dawson <adawson@EHS.EDUHSD.K12.CA.US>

In-Reply-To:  <951027182621_91390362@mail02.mail.aol.com>



Hi there, I'm new to the list and really enjoy the informationional

messages I recieve.  I do not, however, enjoy the personal spats quite so

much!  I mean they're interesting, an amusing and all, but they do take up

quite a bit of my inbox.  Possibly we could all try sending personal

comments to the individual whom we are addressing only???  Thanks

-Alison



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 10:50:54 -0600

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         NAKAMURA TAMMIE K <nakamurt@UCSU.COLORADO.EDU>

Subject:      Let's get on w/ the intent of this list!

In-Reply-To:  <01BAA521.79254760@iceman.cencom.net>



>

> available to us.  You do not have to listen to Paul Innane who must =

> think that he can control all usage on this discussion group as well as =

> the others he subsribes to.



I am NOT looking to fan flames here...



I have appreciated ALL of the ideas put forth by members of this list.



Paul's posts, in particular, have OFTEN been useful and have fanned MY

flames to seek out additional information... particularly in the area of TCM.

I see no reason why critical thinking shouldn't be encouraged.... if not

relished on this list or any list.  Snake oil is snake oil.



So.... shall we get on with our task of sharing information?



Tammie



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 19:01:52 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      So, how about pennyroyal oil?



... I know it's toxic, but it seems we Europeans mean Mentha pulegium

when we say pennyroyal, and you 'mercans mean something else entirely.



The full story, anybody? I'd be MIGHTY interested in knowing if I can

contemplate growing Mentha pulegium in my new medicinal-herb-garden

next year after all.



I'm planning it all this year - GREAT fun. No shrubs or trees allowed.

10 x 10 meter ;)  I've already staked out the spaces for Verbascum,

Mentha x piperita, Symphytum officinale, Echinacea, Valeriana, the spices

... leaving ample space for weeds like Taraxacum, Arctium, Tussilago and

friends.



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress          HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland.

                    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:15:35 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: eye care



In a message dated 95-10-27 12:11:58 EDT, you write:



>Greetings herbophyles:  My S.O. and I have been discussing how our eyes feel

>after too many hours of computer overindulgence.  I suggested maybe there's

>an herbal eyewash formula out there which would soothe, clear, heal and

>refresh,



I suffer from the same thing...nearly everyday, late in the day, after

staring at a computer monitor, or heavy reading.  Sometimes I'll use a cooled

tea made with chamomile.  It eases the redness and watering.  But, probably

the most effective treatment is the followup: find a quiet place, lie down

with a cool cloth over your eyes, and still your mind for a few

minutes....try to reach a state of total relaxation.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:15:44 -0400

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sweet Marjoram



It is quite common for the genus and/or species name to change over time.

 Origanum majorana was previously known as Majorana hortensis.  There are

other related species, such as pot marjoram (Origanum onites), and sweet

marjoram (Origanum majorana x marjoricum).



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 09:23:01 -0400

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Sweet Marjoram



conrad@RICHTERS.COM writes:



> BOB SCOTT <URWD77A@PRODIGY.COM> writes:

>

> > I recently looked in a couple of books and saw that Marjoram was

> > listed as Origanum Marjoram and as Marjorana hortensis.Am I

> > misreading this? Is their a difference? Are they  2 different plants?

> >                           Thanks

>

> These are latin synonyms for the same plant.  The former is the

> currently accepted one.



I should correct myself, or rather the original poster: the correct

spelling of the latin name is Origanum majorana.



Conrad Richter



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:32:00 -0600

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Kathie Hoagland <KMH6441AGRI@LYNX.APSU.EDU>

Subject:      Cat's Claw



Does anyone have any experiences (positive or otherwise) with the use of

Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) in the treatment of cancer?  Thanks!

Kathie



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 19:40:28 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <Pine.3.07.9510281018.A6250-9100000@eris.ehs.eduhsd.k12.ca.us>

on 10/28/95, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hi there, I'm new to the list and really enjoy the informationional

: messages I recieve.  I do not, however, enjoy the personal spats quite so

: much!  I mean they're interesting, an amusing and all, but they do take up

: quite a bit of my inbox.  Possibly we could all try sending personal

: comments to the individual whom we are addressing only???  Thanks

: -Alison



That would be great, Alison, but where in this post is YOUR address? Echoed

post headers must require some skill to decode that I don't possess. If

everyone would sign their address, that would be most helpful.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 19:41:17 GMT

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: total body cleansing program ?

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951028040643_91695488@mail06.mail.aol.com> on 10/28/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: In a message dated 95-10-26 17:00:45 EDT, you write:

:

: >our colon contains a pound of bacteria and whatever feces are moving

there.

: >There is no way that a healthy individual has anything like 12 lbs. of

: 'gunk'

: >in their colon. The colon doesn't 'store' anything, and its smooth walls

: >CANNOT become encrusted.

: >

: >Entrepreneurial lies. One hateful fact of the healing world.

: >

: >--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

: >--

:

: How about the little brown "flakes" that one sees in the COLON hydro

therapy

: machine and is told they have been encrusted for 15 years in the little

: folds?

:

: I read where during autopsys the colon walls are seen to be

: "encrustred" in a lot of folks.

:

: Yes ? NO?

:

: Sherwood S. Tucker DDS FAGD



Notice I said 'healthy' colon. Autopsies are rarely don't on healthy

individuals, or people who die of natural causes. In advanced illness,

prolonged constipation, serious organ disfunction, long bed stays, very poor

diets, total lack of exercise, and some other factors, there may very well be

some material there.



Do you have any idea how much 12 lbs. of feces would weigh? (rhetorical

humor, sorry). Maybe a politician, but a relatively --healthy-- person???

Never.



P.S. There are no 'little folds' in the large intestine. The haustra are

muscular pouches a little smaller than your fist. They are vigorously

squeezed in the normal operation of the bowel, so caking is not going to

occur.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 16:15:06 -0700

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Barb Levy <blev@HALCYON.COM>

Subject:      A friend in need

Comments: To: HOLISTIC@SIUCVMB.BITNET



I have a friend who was just diagnosed with Lymphoma.

He is starting chemotherapy on Monday for a tumor in his leg.

I don't know that he'll be open-minded to other types of therapies, but I

thought I'd ask here...

is there something that might help him through the side-effects of  chemo?



Any other suggestions for his recovery? Please e-mail my address with any

suggestions.

 Thanks.



Barbara Levy

blev@halcyon.com

Seattle, WA



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:11:26 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: your mail

Comments: cc: Holistic Discussion Group <HOLISTIC%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu>

In-Reply-To:  <m0t9Gzk-0002DIC@vanbc.wimsey.com>



On Sat, 28 Oct 1995, Johanna wrote:



> Jack,

> could you please post the address of the Holistic health list.

> thanks.



Thought I had.  Clipped this from the msg header:



HOLISTIC%SIUCVMB.BITNET@uga.cc.uga.edu



If I remember right, you can send a message to any      listserv@ ......

including    listserv@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU

with the body of the message being    SUBSCRIBE HOLISTIC your name



If anyone has a correction, post it please.



At this point, I already recognize 50% of the names as being on both

lists, so we may as well get the other half on board   <g>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 28 Oct 1995 23:01:16 -0500

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From:         BusyKnight <busykngt@AIRMAIL.NET>

Subject:      New to this list & Herbs



I am new to the use of herbs and new to this list.

I am requesting information on the following two

subject areas:

1) Book List - request advice on what book(s) gives the

best overall description on the use of herbs and their

affects.

2) Sources - I am interested in locating the best

quality and at the most reasonable price for the more

common herbs. (I specifically need to know where a

good source for St. John's Wort and Bach's Flower

Essences (or equivlent) Rescue Remedy).

BusyKnight

busykngt@airmail.net

Dallas, Republic of Texas

Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but

certainty is an absurd one. - Voltaire



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:01:29 +0500

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From:         "Charles L. Rudd" <clr@DUNYO.TASHKENT.SU>

Organization: Dunyo

Subject:      Bitter Almonds - Cyanide Removal????

Comments: To: Phytopharmacognosy@mailbase.ac.uk



29 Oct 95 ref 5102902



Subject: Bitter Almond Oil.



Can anyone direct me to research activity or production process which may

give more information about methods of removing or reducing to non-toxic

level prussic acid (cyanide) content of bitter almond fixed and essential

oils?



Can anyone suggest a reliable, simple, low cost method to determine

concentration of cyanides in bitter almond essential and fixed oils?



Regards,



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Interconcepts Incorporated (USA)  Fax: 7 3712 56-6180 Telex: 116329 ICIT RU

Central Asian Research Center     Tel: 7 3712 39-1302, 39-1453

Ul. Shpilkova 5 Tashkent 700031 Uzbekistan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:19:48 +0100

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From:         Daniel Wong <Daniel.Wong@PING.BE>

Subject:      Re: Richters HerbLetter 95/09/19 REVISED



Conrad: I wonder if they three herbs you last mentioned : Valerian, comfrey

and ginseng could be grown in South Florida in a greenhouse or as an indoor

plant ? If not I wwould like you to send some seeds here for all three. (I

hope you mean Panax ginseng). Just tell me the price and if you prefer check

or money order.

Dan





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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 29 Oct 1995 11:32:14 -0600

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From:         "R.M.K." <iss@RCI.RIPCO.COM>

Subject:      Re: Artemesia ludoviana (



To: HERB@trearnpc.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Artemesia ludoviana (Silver King)



Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>  replied:

|

|>Is it edible?  Can it be used in cooking or for tea?

|>

|>Is it anything like mugwort?  Could it be used in dream pillows?

|

|

|I often use Artemisia ludoviciana, and I call it Mugwort. But then I call

|all herbaceous (non-woody) Artemisia's mugwort. I'm not familiar with this

|particular subspecies (silver king), but there are many subspecies of A.

|ludoviciana. Every one I have seen could be used for dreams or medicinal

|preparation.

|



'Silver King' is a cultivar of the western mugwort <A.ludoviciana>

'Silver Queen' and 'Valerie Finnis' are also cultivars of this species

'common' mugwort is usually considered <A.vulgaris>

'white' mugwort is the species <A.lactiflora>

'Sweet Annie' is a cultivar of <A.annua>, also called 'Qing-hao'

'Powis Castle' is a garden hybrid Artemisia



many of the genus ARTEMISIA are also commonly referred to as WORMWOOD,

and probably are not correctly considered mugworts... but, again, this

is a problem w/ using common-name nomenclature.  I've had good luck

using SOUTHERNWOOD <A.abrotanum> for dream-aromatherapy, also.



If you like the smell of Artemisias... try a little with seasoning your

holiday stuffing... French tarragon <A.dracunculus> is an excellent

sage-like herb w/a touch of anise.



hope this helps.......  Rob.

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 30 Oct 1995 08:09:49 -1000

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From:         PC Consultants <twheeler@MAUI.NET>

Subject:      Re: New to this list & Herbs



>2) Sources - I am interested in locating the best

>quality and at the most reasonable price for the more

>common herbs. (I specifically need to know where a

>good source for St. John's Wort and Bach's Flower

>Essences (or equivlent) Rescue Remedy)

.

Hi BusyKnight:



My current favorite source for herbs is:

Wild Weeds

P O Box 88

Ferndale CA  95536

1-800-553-9453

1-800-836-9453 fax



Um, er, actually, I just went and flipped through it, and it doesn't have

either Bach's Flower essences, nor the esences that make them (Rescue Remedy is

1 part Star of bethlehem Flower

1 part Rock Rose Flower

1 part Impatiens Flower

1 part Cherry Plum Flower

1 part Clematis)



But they DO have St Johns Wort, and are friendly and fast.



Martha

twheeler@maui.net



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Date:         Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:48:24 EDT

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From:         "Czekalski.E" <e.czekalski@MA02Q.BULL.COM>

Subject:      parsley



     Hello all,



     After a move from the midwest to the east coast, I am having a problem

     growing parsley.  Everything looks fine and then one morning I come

     out to find a whole plant wilting and rootless.  Last fall I thought

     it was so wet that they were rotting but I put in raised beds this

     spring, which drain nicely, and still have the same problem.



     Another big difference in environments is that I share my back yard

     with many squirrels and chipmunks.  Are parsley roots a delicacy to my

     furry friends?



     Any other ideas?



     Thanks,



     Esther

     e.czekalski@bull.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:06:52 -0500

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From:         mberg <allyoop@USIT.NET>

Subject:      rotation



To those of you out there who grow large beds with just one herb in each,

do you rotate herbs like vegtables? I know of some that won't grow well

next to each other, so I wonder about the soil left behind when an herb is

gone. Also, can anyone reccomend a general disscussion herb list to

suppliment this one?

                                                Alison B.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:45:09 EDT

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From:         "Czekalski.E" <e.czekalski@MA02Q.BULL.COM>

Subject:      Re: rotation



Hi All



Alison asked:



<To those of you out there who grow large beds with just one herb in each,

<do you rotate herbs like vegtables? I know of some that won't grow well

<next to each other, so I wonder about the soil left behind when an herb

<is gone.



I would be interested in the answer to that, too.  What herbs don't grow

well next to each other?  I haven't seen anything on herbs, although lots

on veggies or veggie/herb combinations.



I don't grow large patches of anything right now.  Some of my biggest

patches of herbs are perenials:  thymes, mints, chives, and moving them

would be a hassle.  (Not to mention impossible; I'd just be introducing

the mints to a new area to ravage.)  The annuals I tend to rotate with

veggies that I rotate anyway.  Basil with the tomatoes,

onions/shallots/garlics in front of a fence of pole beans, etc.



Esther

e.czekalski@bull.com



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Date:         Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:06:41 -0400

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From:         CB Leek <cleek@TERRA.NLNET.NF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Safflower



How about:  Safflower !!



It's listed as an ingredient in Traditional Medicinals brand 'Cold Formula'.

But, what does it do??  It is one of 7 'active' and 3 'inactive' ingredients.

Curiosity is getting me!

TIA



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From:         Barbara Howser <HOWSER@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>

Subject:      herbs for gout & non-paralysis stroke & weak heart



My question after this background information to you all is what kind of herbal remedies would you recommend for her.  She has become interested enough in herbs to give them a try.  Thanks in advance for any feedback you may give.  If this message is garbled, let me know personally and I will resend.  The keyboard is acting crazy.ors were prescribing medication which was negating the heart medicine she takes on a regular basis.  About 2 months ago, she suffered a near-fatal stroke.  Fortunately, someone got her to the emergency room in time and the doctors were able to bring her back to somewhat normalcy.  She is now at home, has selective memory lapses, can speak clearly, forgets who some people are and remembers others.  She did not suffer any paralysis.  She can not return to work until March or so (if ever - but that's another story).  She sometimes can not think clearly - when I see her as I did today at our staff Halloween luncheon, she seemed coherent.  She told me she has kidney

    problems also.  M

