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Date:         Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:30:41 -0500

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: incense making



>Got a quick question, anyone here knows how or makes their own incense? If

so, could you send me a short letter on what ingredients you use along with

where YOU order/get them from and how you put it all together.  I'm talking

about making incense cones/sticks etc from scratch, not buying the unscented

cones and adding scents to it.>



I'd be interested in the answer to this too and hope that anyone with info

will provide it to the entire maillist not just in private e-mail.



Thanks!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:47:47 -0500

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From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: looking for companies that sell following products in large



Aloe vera gel.....



Set-N-Me-Free Aloe Vera Co, 800-221-9727



Aloe Laboratories, 210-428-8482



>From the Herbal Green Pages, 5000 sources for herbal businesses



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:56:34 -0500

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From:         edith mandlsohn <mandl@TORONTO.ARK.COM>

Subject:      Re: HERB Digest - 27 Nov 1995 to 28 Nov 1995



>

><< I am aware - this is what the vet has told us, but there is no way I

>will fog up the entire house and risk poisoning my family and dog just

>to kill fleas.  Besides, it's not as if there is an infestation.  He's

>never had more than 3-4 fleas on him at any one time because of the Program

>pills and  these aren't enough to cause the severe flea allergy he had

>last flea season (about 9 months of the year, it seems.)  I tried pennyroyal

>shampoo - it made him smell nice and minty and gave his fur a clean, soft

>feel, but he still scratches (memory of the flea?).

>>>> Jim Mackey <BreederJim@AOL.COM> 11/24 10:36 pm >>>

>When dealong with flesa remember that the flee only lives on the dog for

>about 10 % of its life. The rest of the time it is in the rug, floor or

>yard.

>There is no use in defleaing the dog unless you also do the house , his/her

>house and the yard.

>

And may I please add to this that you can not get rid of the flea eggs

easily, since they are protcted by a tough shell almost nothing can

penetrate. You have to repeat every treatment you do after a week or

so to catch the newly htched eggs too before they get a chance to

mature to lay eggs themselfes.

This method will eliminate the constant re-ocurence (sp?)of the problem.



Edith



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Dec 1995 06:36:31 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Osteogenesis Imperfecta(OI)

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <9511301559.AA23961@phinet.sb.com> on 11/30/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hello out there. My name is Curtis-Michael and I've been lurking here for a

: while, but a friend of mine has a problem that you might be able to help

her

: with.

:

: Her newborn grandson was born with a rare genetic disease called

: Osteogenesis Imperfecta. It occurs in only one in 20,000 births, and

: its victims suffer from very brittle bones that fracture easily. The

: victims don't grow teeth, and they can fracture bones by merely sneezing!



Consider deer antler extract. Microcrystalline hyroxyapatite might also be

worth consideration (a form of calcium from freeze-dried calf bone).



This would be considered an Essence /Kidney Yang deficit pattern. There are a

variety of herbs that are used to replenish (or in this case, supply) those

energies.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Dec 1995 06:36:14 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

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Subject:      Re: Aconite/Chaun Wu/Cao Wu - Reply

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <s0bdb0ff.021@wo0033wp.wo.blm.gov> on 11/30/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: << Just out of curiosity, what symptoms or condition did the remedy serve

: to alleviate?

:

: >>> Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM> 11/30 12:48 am >>>

: In message ID <951129221317_61461565@mail06.mail.aol.com> on 11/29/95,

: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

:

: : There are dozens of other herbs that can provide the same medicinal value

: of

: : Aconite...far better to look to them!

:

: Nonsense. Prepared aconite is a safe and effective herb when used in

: appropriate herbal formulas. My mother takes just such a one daily,

: and has for years. It has helped her health enormously. 'Aconite' is

: the name of a genus, remember, and unless you specify, you can't

: paint all the plants, in all forms, with the same brush.



Aconite is a tonic. It can restore the function of organs that are no longer

functioning well due to aging. In my mother's case, it supports her

digestion, via boosting her Kidney Yang energies (as part of an utterly

famous formula, in use now for at least 1,800 years [Ba Wei Di huang Wan].

Possibly a billion people have used this formula).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Dec 1995 06:46:53 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

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Subject:      Re: Aconite/Chaun Wu/Cao Wu

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <v01510100ace2a922cae9@[198.59.162.167]> on 11/30/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: NONE of the Angelicas I have gathered, grown, or been offered bear any

: relationship to Dong Quai (or Tang Kwei...I can hear you correcting

: already).



Current official spelling is Dang gui.



: The several cured "Dong Quai"s bear virtually NO resemblance, in

: HUMANS, to any uncured Angelica.  It is a separate medicine, with a

: separate "drug" profile.  This comes about because of the several curing

: methods.



Dang gui is not cured. It is simply dried and peeled. This is not to disagree

with your point.



: I consider cured "Kirin" Chinese (NOT Shiu Chiu) and Korean "Red" Ginseng

: to be completely different therapies than ANY of the species of

: Ginseng...they might as well be a different Natural Order, the curing

: methods so completely alter their effect IN PEOPLE.



That curing is usually just steaming. Hardly a massive process.



: Fu-Tze (my spelling...it's what I was taught) has as little relationship to

: uncured Aconite as it does to Kiwi Fruit.  It's effect IN HUMANS, at

: therapeutic doses, is nearlu 180 degrees skewed from ANY UNCURED ACONITE in

: the world, and MUST be considered as a completely seperate medicine.  EVERY

: Aconite for whom I can find NatProdChem workups on has, as a dominant

: characteristic, the alkaloid Aconitine...virtually ABSENT from Cured

: Fu-tze.



Granted, though it is  controversial that this single alkaloid is responsible

for the plant's toxicity.





: The fact that SO many "species" of Aconite are used in China is, in my

: opinion, simply the result of the differences between those "species" being

: membrane thin, similar to the somewhat uniform END product produced, in

: China, from several different Astragalii.



Well, fine, but the chemistry of these various varieties differs greatly. As

noted, Cao wu and Chuan wu are more toxic as a rule than Fu zi, before or

after curing.



: I have had gotten great value from the use of cured Aconite

:

: I have gotten great value from the completely different use of Aconite HERB

:

: I wouldn't touch the old "official" drug form, dried Aconite roots, with a

: ten foot pole...if I were to have to deal in FRACTIONAL drops of a 1:10

: dried root tincture to offer a safe dosage to a client, I am in the WRONG

: profession.

:

: (did all that make sense?)

:

:

: Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)



Not to me (but I'm not sure if that matters). Are you disagreeing with me? Fu

zi has been used for 2,000 years or so with almost complete safety as far as

we know. Certainly, there is no great concern in the use of this herb

properly prepared in formula, in the treatment of disharmonies due to aging.



Its use in arthritic conditions is more dangerous, as is the therapy used in

conventional medicine (such as steroids).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Dec 1995 07:03:23 -0400

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From:         Daniel Dees <rivrtalk@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Re: Information on the traditional Chinese medicine software

              series



Dear Longtien Wang,

Earlier this year (Aug 14) you posted information about traditional Chinese

medicine software to the HERB newsgroup on the Internet.

As a student of T'ai Chi and massage, I am very interested in obtaining

more information. I noticed that the CD-ROMs are available for Windows on

the PC, however I have a Macintosh platform and require compatible

software.

Please E-mail me the costs for these programs as well as ordering information.

Thank you.

Dan Dees



* * * * *  "If relativity is proved right the Germans will call me a

German, the Swiss will call me a Swiss citizen, and the French will call me

a great scientist. If relativity is proved wrong the French will call me a

Swiss, the Swiss will call me a German and the Germans will call me a Jew."

* * * * *

                                                             -Albert

Einstein-



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Dec 1995 07:39:39 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Aconite/Chaun Wu/Cao Wu



In a message dated 95-11-30 02:17:42 EST, you write:



> There are dozens of other herbs that can provide the same medicinal value

>of

>: Aconite...far better to look to them!

>

>Nonsense. Prepared aconite is a safe and effective herb when used in

>appropriate herbal formulas. My mother takes just such a one daily, and has

>for years. It has helped her health enormously. 'Aconite' is the name of a

>genus, remember, and unless you specify, you can't paint all the plants, in

>all forms, with the same brush.



Well, I think the original question was how to prepare Aconite safely.  If

your mother is using it safely, then a qualified herbalist prepares it for

her?  Or, does she make it herself? Aconite may have medicinal benefits, but

I don't think the average person should be experimenting with it.  Perhaps

you could ask her how she prepares it and send the info to the list?



I was speaking of Aconitum Napellus, which I have no experience with

personally. However, I've read that only 5 ml of the tincture taken

internally can be fatal.  Grieve's Modern Herbal has this to say of Aconite

Napellus: "So acrid is the poison, that the juice applied to a wounded finger

affects the whole system, not only causing pains in the limbs, but a sense of

suffocation and syncope."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Dec 1995 07:40:00 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: fleas



In a message dated 95-11-29 19:29:59 EST, you write:



>don't know if i've missed some of the discussion, but re:fleas just a

>suggestion...

>i have had success with our cat by giving her regular B vitamins and brewers

>yeast.

>in addition, I got red cedar shavings , stuffed them in  old socks  and

>placed them strategically around the house...don't remember where i learned

>this, but hey, it seems to work.

>Jo



That's a good idea.  I know cedar chips repel months, that's why so many

closets and storage chests are made from cedar.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Dec 1995 07:39:57 -0500

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Subject:      Re: Flea repellent for dogs - Reply



In a message dated 95-11-29 19:24:06 EST, you write:



>Many thanks for your thoughtful and thorough reply.  AsWoby is a fussy

>eater I am sure it won't be easy to get garlic into him, but I'll try!

> Will also save the collar instructions for next flea season.



I feed it to both of my cats with wet food and they don't seem to know it's

there.  Your dog probably won't notice it either.  For a cat I give a full

tbls. of crushed garlic to a can of cat food. You'll have to adjust that

dosage to the size of your pet.  I feed this to our cats once a week during

spring and summer.



The trick is to prevent infestation before things get out of control.  Once

you get these little beasties in your carpets, etc., life becomes miserable

for everyone.  So, get a start in early spring, and remember to re-saturate

the collor in the solution I described every 3-4 weeks.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:40:09 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Osteogenesis Imperfecta(OI) - Reply



<< I suggest you contact  the National Institute of Child Health and Human

Development at  (301) 496-5133.  They are currently doing research into

this disease and would be glad to assist you with information, etc..



>>>Hello out there. My name is Curtis-Michael and I've been lurking here

for a while, but a friend of mine has a problem that you might be able

to help her with.



Her newborn grandson was born with a rare genetic disease called Osteogenesis

Imperfecta. It occurs in only one in 20,000 births, and its victims suffer

from very brittle bones that fracture easily. The victims don't grow teeth,

and they can fracture bones by merely sneezing!



Does anyone out there have some information and/or experience with this

condition so we can gain some understanding of care and potential treatments?



Please help if you can.Thank-you in advance.



Curtis-Michael(portec%parvax.dnet@sb.com)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 30 Nov 1995 19:17:03 -0700

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From:         Puanani DeLara <puanani@MICF.NIST.GOV>

Subject:      Incense making



I have some recipes for incense,but it makes for a rather long post. I do

not want to offend anyone with it, but I am willing to email to those who

would like it or I can post it if everyone thinks its ok.

Sincerely,

Puanani



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From:         "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@MAIL.ORION.ORG>

Subject:      Chu Jo  (Glucomannon)



I am looking for _Amorphophallus konjak_ Glucomannon Root or Chu Jo.  I

understand that, among other things, it is used in cancer formulas.  I

need a one pound sample.



Thanks,  Steve

Stephen J. Marsden, The Herbal Advantage

Route 3, Box 93

Rogersville, MO 65742-9214

Phone: 417-753-3999  Fax: 417-753-2000

SMARSDEN@MAIL.ORION.ORG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:04:28 -0600

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From:         "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@MAIL.ORION.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Traditional Chinese medicine software series

In-Reply-To:  <v01520d00ace3d0fab530@[198.206.133.148]>



On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Daniel Dees wrote:



> Dear Longtien Wang,

> Earlier this year (Aug 14) you posted information about traditional Chinese

> medicine software to the HERB newsgroup on the Internet.

> As a student of T'ai Chi and massage, I am very interested in obtaining

> more information. I noticed that the CD-ROMs are available for Windows on

> the PC, however I have a Macintosh platform and require compatible

> software.

> Please E-mail me the costs for these programs as well as ordering information.



I have a software program that is available for PC & Mac.  It has over

6000 herb names, 15,000 chemical and organic constituents and 5700

treatable conditions.  Easy to use program includes many color photos.



Thanks,  Steve

Stephen J. Marsden, The Herbal Advantage

Route 3, Box 93

Rogersville, MO 65742-9214

Phone: 417-753-3999  Fax: 417-753-2000

SMARSDEN@MAIL.ORION.ORG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 30 Nov 1995 21:36:56 -0700

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From:         Puanani DeLara <puanani@MICF.NIST.GOV>

Subject:      Incense making-how to *long*



Hello Everyone,



I decided to post this, I hope I do not make anyone mad, I am very sorry if

I do, but the response was over whelming and I couldn't keep up with the

email requests. So here are the recipes I have for making incense, if you

have any questions please feel free to email me.

Sincerely,

Puanani



Incense



There are two kinds of incense combustible and non combustible. I mostly use

the non combustible type but I have been experimenting with the

combustible type. Most herbs will smell different when burned then they do

fresh, I would suggest they you sample different herbs by burning

a tiny amount of dried herb/flower/etc. and smelling the smoke that they

emit, this way you will have an idea of what you would like. Don't do

to many in any one period because your nose will go dead just like when to

many oils are smelled at one time.





Non-Combustible Incense



For all methods you will need charcoal, not the kind that is used in

cooking!! The charcoal is a small disk about 1/2 high it usually goes by the

brand name 3 kings and is carried in most  health food stores, or wherever

you   purchase your supplies.



Method 1

This is the simplest method there is.

     Ingredients:

     Fine powdered botanical(s) of your choice

If you have more then one ingredient mix them well and let sit in an

airtight container for about 1 1/2 weeks so that the scents can marry. When

ready light your charcoal and wait till there is a fine layer of ash on top

then take a pinch or two of your mix and place directly on the coal and

enjoy.



Method 2

     Ingredients

     Fine powdered botanical(s)*1

     Tragacanth glue*

     scented oil



*Tragacanth Gum Glue

Take approx 1 tsp tragacanth and mix in a glass about 8oz warm water, mix

until all the gum in dissolved. let this mix sit until it starts to thicken

then cover with a wet cloth and set aside(I usually let mine sit for about 2

days) Tragacanth will absorb tremendous amounts of water.



     Mix the chosen botanical(s) well add enough tragacanth glue to create a

semi thick paste, add your scented oil a drop at a time until

you like the smell, mixing well after each drop. Form little cones or blocks

from this mix and place on a tin foil covered cookie sheet .  Place

the Cookie sheet in a warm shaded area to dry. Depending on the thickness of

your blocks it can take a few hours to several days. (I put mine

in the oven with just the pilot light on and the door ajar and they are

usually ready in about 3-4 hours). store in an airtight container out of the

sun. To burn just light your charcoal and place a block on the coal.



Method 3

This is a neat way because involves recycling !!

When you strip the leaves from herbs set aside the stems for incense !!

Take about 2 thumbs worth of stems and tightly tie them in a bundle using

100% cotton string, make a knot at each crisscross as you wind the

string around the bundle of stems. Let this dry in an airy spot. To burn

just light one end of the bundle and wait till it is burning fairly well then

blow out and let smolder. Place this in a fire proof tray or dish at an

angle and enjoy. One of my favorites to do this with is Rosemary, I hang

this herb upside down to dry leaves and all, when it is dry I strip off the

leaves for later use and bundle the stems I really like the spicy smoke

they emit.



Combustible Incense



This is the type that you light and it burns on its own with out the use of

charcoal. I am still in the experiment stage of this, but what i have

gotten to burn smells really nice. The problem that I am having is the

amount of potassium nitrate to add I have the base down but when I add

the potassium nitrate I either get an incense that emits great smoke but

flash burns very quick of an incense that starts out smelling great but then

doesn't continue to burn.



Ingredients:



Wood Dust*

Botanical(s)*1

scented oil/waters/wine

tragacanth glue

Potassium Nitrate





Mix the wood dust and botanical(s), mix in the tragacanth glue until you

have a thick past, add your scented oil a few drops until you have the

strength you like, (if it gets to runny add more glue and botanical)  mixing

a few pinches of potassium nitrate. Mix this very well ! form blocks

or cones ,place on foil lined cookie sheet and place in a shaded spot to dry

or an oven with just the pilot light and door ajar. I have been letting

1 block dry first keeping the rest in a tightly covered jar. When the one

block is dry I light it to see how it burns if it is too fast I add more of

everything except Potassium nitrate if to slow or not at all I add potassium

nitrate a pinch or two at a time.



Method 2

Tragacanth glue

6 parts charcoal (not the cooking type)

1 part benzoin

2 parts sandalwood powder

1 part powered orris root

6 drops oil

2-4 parts mixed botanical*2

1 large pinch potassium nitrate



mix dry ingredients well

add gums/ resins and mix again

add oil and mix

add glue until a paste is formed



Dry as above



Always store the finished product in airtight containers out of the light.





*1 botanical= any dried herb, flower,root,bark, gums, resins or combination

thereof.

*2 botanical=  any dries herb, flower,root or bark or combination there of



*************************************************************************

Puanani L. DeLara

email  delara@boulder.nist.gov



"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and

looks like work." -Thomas Edison

*************************************************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:09:11 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re cliches (Was Aconite)



Michael said:

>My personal cliches:

>

>Homeopath: minimum of 112 pounds of reference texts, thick glasses, a tad

>paranoid, often hears unseen voices (that are ignored) and a tendency to

>wince when shaking hands.

>

>Herbalist: Dirty fingernails, slightly crazed eyes, a little dried spittle

>in the left corner of the mouth from talking too loudly, frequently seen

>muttering to unseen devas, and fond of porter

>

>Phytotherapist: Lots of catalogues, medical references and a dislike for dirt.

>

>(did I miss anyone?)

>



YES , how could you forget! The TCM practitioner...



Howabout



TCM'er: slightly superior, knowingly points out that you ACTUALLY mean

liver yang rising

(substitute your choice from yin yang, rising descending, excess deficiency

etc ) Frequents

chinatowns.....



jonathan



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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Aconite/Chaun Wu/Cao Wu

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951201073938_121899424@mail02.mail.aol.com> on 12/1/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >Nonsense. Prepared aconite is a safe and effective herb when used in

: >appropriate herbal formulas. My mother takes just such a one daily, and has

: >for years. It has helped her health enormously. 'Aconite' is the name of a

: >genus, remember, and unless you specify, you can't paint all the plants, in

: >all forms, with the same brush.

:

: Well, I think the original question was how to prepare Aconite safely.  If

: your mother is using it safely, then a qualified herbalist prepares it for

: her?  Or, does she make it herself? Aconite may have medicinal benefits, but

: I don't think the average person should be experimenting with it.  Perhaps

: you could ask her how she prepares it and send the info to the list?

:

: I was speaking of Aconitum Napellus, which I have no experience with

: personally. However, I've read that only 5 ml of the tincture taken

: internally can be fatal.  Grieve's Modern Herbal has this to say of Aconite

: Napellus: "So acrid is the poison, that the juice applied to a

: wounded finger affects the whole system, not only causing pains in

: the limbs, but a sense of suffocation and syncope."



My mom uses prepared Chinese aconite (Fu zi), in formula, prepared by a

professional manufacturer of herbal products, prescribed by me. Fu zi is

basically safe, when used in the proper amount, prepared properly, for the

right conditions. There are other aconites that are more dangerous, there are

other uses that are more dangerous, there are certainly problems if people

are home-decocting such potentially toxic herbs without proper guidance.



That doesn't justify an attack on herbalism, ala that hit piece from HK; that

doesn't justify fear-mongering about 'aconite,' as if such a unqualified term

has meaning (we agree on this, don't we, Michael?); and it doesn't justify

the misuse of even prepared aconite. I once talked to a person who was

receiving the same formula my mom takes. The woman was in her early thirties,

and I started to talk to her when I noticed a severe burn across the saddle

of her nose. I asked about it, and she said that it had just appeared a few

weeks before. I asked her about the therapy, and she said that her herbalist

was treating it. I asked with what. And she said: he started me out on Ba Wei

Di huang Wan a month ago, and he says that it will take care of this, too.



Here's a severely-Yin depleted woman who starts a Hot Yang-Boosting herbal

regime, immediately gets major side-effects that directly result from this

entirely inaccurate diagnosis and treatment, and her herbalist doesn't even

see the obvious. Sheesh.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Dec 1995 22:00:58 -0500

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Liz Vose <liz@ERVOSE.MV.COM>

Subject:      Re: incense making



This is from "Country Herbs" by Kathi Keville, from Crescent Books.



Potassium Nitrate, also called saltpeter, ignites the incense, and charcoal

keeps it burning.  Charcoal capsules (open them up) and potassium nitrate

are both sold at drug stores.  You can also powder the charcoal blocks sold

to burn incense.  The charcoal is messy to work with but washes off easily.



2 tablespoons of gum tragacanth

1 tablespoon of gum benzion

1 tablespoon of charcoal

1 teaspoon of potassium nitrate

1 teaspoon of essential oils ( your choice )

4 tablespoons of water



Mix the powders together.  Add the essential oils and enough water to make

a paste.  Form into small cones, about one inch tall, and set on waxed

paper until dry.  Light and enjoy.



To make sticks, form the paste into a five inch roll.  Stick a lavender

stalk (without the flower head), or other small stick, into the paste and

form the paste around it. It is easier to form a triangular shape than a

round roll around the stick.  Place on waxed paper for a few days to dry.



******I have not done this myself so have no idea how well it works.  If

you try it, let us all know how well they turn out.



--

***************************************************************



Liz Vose     "For every problem there is one solution which is

              simple, neat, and wrong."

                                     - H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

                                   American editor and satirist



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 2 Dec 1995 09:01:40 -0600

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "R.M.K." <iss@RCI.RIPCO.COM>

Subject:      Re: SAD; light therapy



To: HERB@trearnpc.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SAD; light therapy



docclipper@aol.com (DocCLIPPER)   wrote:



D>I live up in the great snowy north.  So to add light to my winter, I want

 >to build a light box.  Does anyone have experience with building one.  I

 >know that they are commercially available but very expensive.  I want to

 >know what wattage full spectrum light and how many bulbs.    Peter



thank Mary in Chicago for this post:



----------------------Begin Insert----------------------------



Winter Depression (Seasonal Affective Disorder [SAD]) Information



"There's a certain Slant of light,

Winter Afternoons--

That oppresses, like the Heft

Of Cathedral Tunes--

Heavenly Hurt, it gives us--

We can find no scar,

But internal difference,

Where the Meanings, are."



--Emily Dickenson



---------------------



>From "Winter Blues":



"Like bears, squirrels, and birds, humans have

evolved under the sun.  We have incorporated

into the machinery of our bodies the rhythms

of night and day, of darkness and light, of cold and

warmth, of scarcity and plenty.  Over hundreds of

thousands of years, the architecture of our bodies

has been shaped by the seasons, and we have

developed mechanisms to deal with the regular

changes that they bring.  We continue to respond to

these rhythms in the way we feel and behave.

For some of us, however, these changes can disrupt

our lives.



"The effects of the seasons on humans were all well

known by the ancients, but were largely forgotten by

modern medical practitioners until recently. . . ."



---------------------



Information About Light Sources



If the person is relatively needy of light:



You might call:



Vitality Concepts, Inc.

Full Spectrum Lighting Specialists

Mary L. Okumura, President

1406 W. Summerdale Ave.

Chicago IL  60640-2116

(312) 275-1443

(800) 252-0220

FAX (312) 275-7997

(She can order anything for you and usually

has it in stock so you get it in a few days.)



Otherwise one could order directly from companies,

or make your own light bank with fixture

you buy and lights from any of the following:



OTT-Light  (have portable task lights and

screw-in bulbs for lamps)

Environmental Lighting Concepts, Inc.

3923 Coconut Palm Drive  #101

Tampa FL  33619

(813) 621-0058

FAX (813) 626-8790



(They have desk styles that fold up and are

both intense and full-spectrum, *and* portable,

so you can use them at work or on a computer station.

They also have bulbs that screw into fixtures

like an incandescent light.  This appears expensive,

but the bulb lasts for four years!)



Hughes Lighting Technologies  (high-intensity box lights)

34 Yacht Club Drive

Lake Hopatcong  NJ  07849

(800) LIGHT-25 (544-4825)

(201) 663-1214



Duro-Test (full-spectrum "Vita Light" flourescent tubes)

9 Law Drive

Fairfield  NJ  07007

(800) BUY-DURO

(201) 808-6622



The SunBox Company  (also has a light visor and dawn simulator)

19217 Orbit Drive

Gaithersburg  MD  20879

(800) LITE-YOU (548-3968)

(301) 869-5980



Apollo Light Suystems Inc.

352 West 1060 South

Orem  UT  84058

(800) 545-9667

(801) 226-2370



Bio-Brite, Inc.  (light visor manufacturer)

7315 Wisconsin Ave.  #1300 W

Bethesda  MD  20814-3202

(800) 621-LITE (621-5483)

(301) 961-8557



----------------------



National Organization for Seasonal Affective Disorder (NOSAD)

P. O. Box 40133

Washington  DC  20016



----------------------



For further information, see the book "Winter Blues"

by Norman E. Rosenthal, M.D.



----------------------



Write, including a self-addressed, stamped envelope to:



Society for Light Research and Biological Rhythms

P. O. Box 478

Wilsonville  OR  97070



Seasonal Studies Program

National Insitute of Mental Health

Building 10, Room 4S-239

9000 Rockville Pike

Bethesda  MD  20892

(301) 496-2141

(301) 496-0500



Sun Net

P. O. Box 10606

Rockville  MD  20850



For information on climate, length of the day,

amount of sunlight, temperature, contact:



The National Climatic Data Center

Federal Building

Asheville  NC  28801-2733

(704) CLIMATE (254-6283)



--------------------



The "Winter Blues" book also lists physicians

and programs in each state and internationally

whom persons affected can contact directly.



--------------------



>From "Winter Blues":



"Despite all our modern discoveries, it is still

valuable to look back at ancient wisdom.  As far as

SAD is concerned, no ancient writer offered more

cogent advice than the physician A. Cornelius Celsus

provided to melancholics during the reign of the

Roman Emperor Tiberius:



Live in rooms full of light

Avoid heavy food

Be moderate in the drinking of wine

Take massage, baths, exercise, and gymnastics

Fight insomina with gentle rocking or the sound of running water

Change surroundings and take long journeys

Strictly avoid frightening ideas

Indulge in cheerful conversation and amusements

Listen to music"



Happy Winter!



--Illinois (body), Arizona (soul) Mary and The Mans, CGC,

Registered Therapy Dog



<:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:>\|/<:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:>

| Mary and The Peace Dogs|                 |I think I could live  |

| 'Mani--and Shanti and  | This is MY view |with the animals they |

| Frieden in spirit!     |  not the view   |are so placid and self|

|                        |   of the "U."   |-contain'd.           |

| Mary         (Chicago) |                 |        --Whitman     |

<:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:>/|\<:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:><:=--=:>



---

 ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ OO------>--->-->->> iss@ripco.com <<-<--<---<-----OO



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:56:04 +1100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         list Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: poultices to use on a stiched wound after an operation

              question



>Hello all,

>

>My fiance has just had a small operation this past tuesday to remove a large

>most likely benign tumor from her chest/breast area and had 7 stiches to close

>the wound.  The closure, to me, looks to be healing alright, no pus or

>infectious growth that I can detect,



Comfrey would be the traditional remedy for this.



Michael Bailes.

frgntgar@ozemail.com.au



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:09:33 +1100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         list Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Herb Remedies



>My husband and I are new to the list and were wondering if any one had ever

>heard of a herbal treatment for shingles, narcolepsy, or for tendonitis ?. We

>are very interested in learning more about the herbs and appreciate all of

>your collective knowledge.

>

>Niki Rogers



Two herbs that seem to help the pain of shingles are Aloe vera and Chilli.

Chilli taken internally and the aloe aplied to the skin freh aloe is best.



Michael Bailes.

 The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

frgntgar@ozemail.com.au



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:02:34 +1100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         list Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: dandruff -reply



>In message ID <199509300756.RAA07375@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> on 9/30/95,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>: >In message ID <199509280826.SAA25503@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> on 9/28/95,

>: >HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>: >

>: >: >Joanna Bartlett <AzureOtter@AOL.COM> wrote:

>: >: >

>: >: >> I would appreciate any info anyone may have on how to control/get rid

>: >: >> of/remedy dandruff.

>: >: >

>: >: Dandruff is a fungus.

>: >

>: >Hmmm. Who was just talking about gross generalizations?

>: >

>: >--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>: Paul do you work at being irritating or does it come naturally?

>: I am sorry  I have forgotten its name. I havent got that sort of memory.

>: Do you need it or are you just being smart?

>

>Michael, I'm sure you have inadvertently misunderstood some data that came

>your way. Dandruff is NOT =fungus. There are many causes for dandruff. If you

>can demonstrate this tidbit is true, I owe you an apology--but I doubt it.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



The name of the fungus is Pityrosporum ovale or Pityrosporum pachydermatis.

It is related to Yeast. This is why antifungal herbs such as Rosemary,

Cahamomile, Tea Tree essential oils etc are so effective in controlling

this fungal problem. Sorry for the delay in finding the name. More info on

request.



Michael Bailes.

frgntgar@ozemail.com.au



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 2 Dec 1995 21:24:41 -0100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: valeriana and valium again

Comments: To: Dick Dawson <ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu>

Comments: cc: owner-herb@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr



At 23:59 01.12.95 -0500, Dick Dawson wrote:

>Valerian is the parent of valium isn't it?



No. Below a quote from the medicinal herbfaq. If you still wish

to state that Valium is derived from Valeriana please give your

sources.



=====

2.1.1.1  Valeriana is not derived from Valium

-----

The best post to date on this subject was seen on AFH on 30 Apr 1994.

Sadly, I couldn't find this one in the archives, but luckily I'd saved

it way back when:



-----

A couple of posters have said that Valium is derived from valerian.



I'm pretty sure that Valium and the active principle of valerian are

totally unrelated chemically.  Valerian contains



       valeric acid  = propylacetic acid



Valeric acid modulates GABA receptors and it is known to be a CNS

depressant.



There is a synthetic CNS depressant, FDA-approved (U.S.) as an

anticonvulsant, which is derived from valerian.  It is



  valproic acid = 2-propylvaleric acid = di-n-propylacetic acid.



Like valeric acid, valproic acid modulates GABA.



Valium (diazepam) is a benzodiazepine, and neither of these compounds

look anything like a benzodiazepine.  (Diazepam is cyclic, and valeric

acid is not, e.g.)



All of the preceding can be verified from the Merck Index.



Another a.f.h. subscriber in email cites a cyclic compound called

valtratum that is said to be an active component of valerian, and

gives as a reference _Farmakognosi_ by Gunnar Samuelsson, 1982.



Of course this doesn't prove that valerian doesn't contain a valium

analogue, but it does show that a substituted valeric acid (which

isn't related chemically to benzodiazepines) is a CNS depressant, and

that valeric acid is sufficient to account for the sedative properties

of valerian.



I would be genuinely pleased if someone could come up with a reference

which shows Valium to be derived from valerian, and which shows the

compound in valerian from which Valium is said to be derived.



No one was able to do so last time this came up in a.f.h.



On a related etymological note, the amino acid valine, which takes its

name from valerian, is 2-aminovaleric acid.



Peace,

Ash

--

 | Ash | K.A.Rice | rice@mcz.harvard.edu | audax@world.std.com    |

                  | rice@oeb.harvard.edu | rice@green.harvard.edu |



==========



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress          HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland.

                    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 2 Dec 1995 07:31:24 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Barbara Howser <howser@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Flea repellent for dogs - Reply

Comments: To: Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

In-Reply-To:  <951201073954_121899609@emout04.mail.aol.com>



Hello Karyn,

We have had our cat for 4 years now and fortunately we have had no fleas

- he is an indoor cat.  We do take him out for brushings several times

per week.  My question: If he were to develop a flea problem, how does

one give the tblsp crushed garlic in dry food?.  He has been on the same

"brand" dry cat food ever since he's been with us.  We (and he) are very

happy with the results of this particular dry food, so we do not want to

change.  Respond privately if you think the list would not be

interested.  Thanks in advance and for all your previoius input/feedback.



On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Karyn Siegel Maier wrote:

> wet food

> tbls. of crushed garlic to a can of cat food. You'll have to adjust that

> dosage to the size of your pet.  I feed this to our cats once a week during

> spring and summer.

>

> The trick is to prevent infestation before things get out of control.  Once

> you get these little beasties in your carpets, etc., life becomes miserable

> for everyone.  So, get a start in early spring, and remember to re-saturate

> the collor in the solution I described every 3-4 weeks.

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:44:02 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Barbara Howser <howser@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Science Project

In-Reply-To:  <951129232905_38922160@emout05.mail.aol.com>



Dear Russell,

I want to commend you for your insight at such a young age.  Yes, I agree

T. L. Russell, do experiment with both ways and keep notes.  You learn by

doing. And please keep the group informed as to your progress.  Good luck

on your project.



On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, T. L. Rutter wrote:



> In a message dated 95-11-29 21:05:11 EST, you write:

>

> >My name is Russell and  I am  in the fifth grade. I am required to do a

> >science project. I have decided to find out if the herb chamomile actually

> >causes people to become tired/sleepy.I will test diffrent people to see

> >what the effects are. What I want to know is if I should use chamomile tea

> >bags found in stores or just  dried chamomile leaves grown at my house to

> >make tea?

> >

> >        Any other information you think would help me would be great too.

>

> A true scientist, young lad, woud use both methods. Not only will you gain

> more insight, but you may get bonus points for doing so. I wish you luck with

> your project and always keep notes... lots of notes. Let us know how your

> results turn out, okay?

>

>

> T. L . Rutter

> EnigmaServ@aol.com

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 10:09:11 +1100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         list Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Essential Oils



>In a message dated 95-11-22 14:33:13 EST, you write:

>

>>Tea tree oil is great

>

>I researched melaleuca oil for a skin problem. The research turned up several

>"hits" suggesting that tea tree oil is useful for treatment of

>psoriasis/eczema. I bought a small vial and used it. I found it completely

>useless. It may work for others. For me, it's a placebo, and I'd not

>recommend it for anyone else--at least for this condition.



It is used for fungal skin problems.

 For an anti-inflamatory you might try Chamomile oil.

For you it is not a placebo as it doesn't work. Placebos are the most

effective medicine we have.



Michael Bailes.

frgntgar@ozemail.com.au



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 00:02:11 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Dick Dawson <ddawson@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>

Subject:      Osteogenesis Imperfecta(OI)

In-Reply-To:  Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM> Fri, 01 Dec 1995 06:36:31 GMT.



> Consider deer antler extract. Microcrystalline hyroxyapatite might

> also be worth consideration (a form of calcium from freeze-dried calf

> bone).

>

> This would be considered an Essence /Kidney Yang deficit pattern.

> There are a variety of herbs that are used to replenish (or in this

> case, supply) those energies.

>

> Paul

> p_iannone@pop.com



But the description of the ailment suggests the victims can't use

calcium.  So supplementation of calcium is probably wasted, rather

cruelly in this case.  Might better explore the cause(s) of failure

to use calcium.



Note that in most people calcium is not utilized effectively unless

accompanied by magnesium, vit D and estrogen.  One needn't provide

all these as supplements in every case but they are all required from

some source.



Dick

ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu

http://web.syr.edu/~ddawson



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 00:19:15 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Dick Dawson <ddawson@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>

Subject:      fleas



Many folks have reported reduced flea problems this year.  I've noted

this too.  Without using any treatment.  Most of northeast USA has

been much drier and warmer than usual.  This might be as significant

as use of new flea reduction techniques.



I've had good success in heavy flea years using a flea comb on cats.

The cats like it as massage and it removes fleas and eggs which can

be crushed on a hard surface.  Working on a light colored formica

table is expedient.  Repeat several times a day if infestation is

heavy.  Since fleas spend 80% of their time on floors and jump on

animals to feed and lay eggs repeated combing is necessary to make

significant reduction in flea populations.



Combing this year has produced very few fleas.  My cats have not

manifested flea problems.



Heavy flea infestations can kill young, ill or weak animals.



Dick

ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu

http://web.syr.edu/~ddawson



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 11:21:38 -0500

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jim Mackey <BreederJim@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: fleas



Karyn Siegel Maier wrote;

>

>in addition, I got red cedar shavings , stuffed them in  old socks  >and

placed them strategically around the house...



Might work but where will the fleas go. They may avoid the area with the sock

in it but I think they would just habitat an other part of your house. IMHO



Jim Mackey

Doneright Kennel

Ontario, Canada

=========================

everything in moderation

especially moderation



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 13:44:36 +0000

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Comments:     Authenticated sender is <mklinec@mgl.ca>

From:         Miriam Klinec <mklinec@MGL.CA>

Subject:      Psyllium seed vs. husk



Hello,



I was wondering if anyone on this conference could vouch for the

effectiveness of psyllium seed/husk in helping avoiding

constipation/hemmerhoids?  Also - which is better - the seeds or the

husk? What are the differences? (other than husks being a bit more

expensive than seeds)

Any info given would be great and very helpful.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 12:32:38 CST

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Mary Jacobs <U45301@UICVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Winter Depression

In-Reply-To:  Sun, 3 Dec 1995 00:01:58 +0200,

              from Automatic digest processor <LISTSERV@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



> Date:    Sat, 2 Dec 1995 09:01:40 -0600

> From:    "R.M.K." <iss@RCI.RIPCO.COM>

> Subject: Re: SAD; light therapy



> docclipper@aol.com (DocCLIPPER)   wrote:

>

> D>I live up in the great snowy north.  So to add light to my winter, I want

>  >to build a light box.  Does anyone have experience with building one.  I

>  >know that they are commercially available but very expensive.  I want to

>  >know what wattage full spectrum light and how many bulbs.    Peter

>

> thank Mary in Chicago for this post:



Thanks for posting my post.  I was just about to do it myself.  :-))



FYI, there are two SAD sources on the WEB too (my post is a

part of them, as well as a lot of other info).



-----------------------------Begin Insert------------------------



      +++ Two SAD Sites on the Web +++



Site One:



***********************************************

          Seasonal Light/SAD Homepage

http://nyx10.cs.du.edu:8001/~lpuls/sadhome.html

***********************************************



----------------------------



Site Two:



The mood disorders web server is at:



<http://avocado.pc.helsinki.fi/~janne/mood/mood.html



Has a good bit of detailed info about SAD and lights.

It has a list of makers of lights and addresses.



--------------------------End Insert-----------------------



Mary

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  /\  ||||| .  | | |   | |      |   are treated.  --Gandhi    +    '

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 21:18:06 -0100

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      culinary herblist

Comments: To: CourtMoss@aol.com



... quoting from the medicinal herbfaq:



==========

8.9 The Culinary Herblist

-----

There is a list specific to the culinary use of herbs and spices

(not too busy a list - start posting please).

To subscribe:

write a message with only the text

  subscribe herbs

to: Majordomo@teleport.com

Subject: <none>

==========



Really, read the FAQ. It has lots of interesting information.

I've compiled a culinary herbfaq, too, for people who want to

grow, use, or preserve culinary herbs.



Henriette

--

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                    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 14:44:39 -0500

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "T. L. Rutter" <EnigmaServ@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Thanxs for sharing incense recipe



Liz,



Thank you for posting the incense recipe. I am really excited to try it!!!! I

am sure that we are all going to go back to buying them eventually, but it

would be nice to know how to make them and to make them as christmas gifts

for the family and friends.



I tell you, i learn new things by being on this list. See... one person asked

how to make them and everyone gets to share in learning how to make the

incense.



Warmest wishes everybody,



T. L. Rutter



EnigmaServ@aol.com   <----------- Yes, i know... America On-Line

EnigmaServ@msn.com <----------- Egads, yes, i am on Bill Gates System, too!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 13:45:02 MST

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Remedies for A.D.D.



>Valerian is the parent of valium isn't it?  I once took a half a

>2.5gr valium tab, the smallest available.  Made me ugly agitated.

>Not a sedative in my case!  Not surprising as caffein puts me to

>sleep although with ugly twitches and I'm allergic to salt.

>

>Dick

>ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu

>http://web.syr.edu/~ddawson



There is absolutely NO connection between Valerian and Valium...believe

me...just an accident of circumstance...Valeriana is a classic Roman latin

reference...Valium is an invented trade name...a copycat name from a

pharmaceutical manufacturer to aid in making a conscious or unconscious

connection with "Librium", a successful tranq whose market Valium was

originally aimed at.



Valerian HAS had some anecdotal use for ADD...the only problem is that

extended use of enough Valerian to have value has ALSO brought about

emotional lability in some folks.  Using herbs as drug substitutes has

value, but with Valerian having SO many different physiologic effects

(depressant for CNS, stimulant to gastric, pulmonary and cardiovascular

functions) it is a botanical that is best used within a constitutional

framework...i.e. evaluating the PERSON metabolically to find out if the

profile of effects from Valerian is complementary OR antagonistic



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

-----------------------------------------------------------------

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 14:46:26 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Tommy Clonts <TCLONTS@EAC.CC.AZ.US>

Subject:      Various plant matter



Hi, i am new to the list.  Earlier i sent a message, but when i got the CC,

it had a bunch of other junk in it.  So, i will post again.



My name is tommy Clonts, and i am 14.  I was wondering, does anyone know

how to make essential oils? They are SO expansive! And another thing,

Dragons Blood.  I think that it is palm resin, but i don't know how to make

it.



        I read the earlier postings, and i am a little hesitant to ask this

. Can someone send me a good seed/plant suppliers address? I am looking for

patchouli and i cant find any.  If anyone has any, i would be willing to

pay them to send me some.  I am also looking for incense recipes.  I know

that these have been posted before, but you can send them to my personal

address.   TCLONTS@EAC.CC.AZ.US



Thanks. Tommy.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 22:04:39 -0500

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Sandra Hoffman <ghidra@INFOWEB.MAGI.COM>

Subject:      Re: Vitamin C, Fruit and eczema was Re: Pre-men

In-Reply-To:  <377745373.66988429@pop.com>



I said



 In standard western medical practice my son's eczema would most

> : likely be classified as an allergic reaction. How would it be classified

> : in the asian traditional system you use? If there's anyone knowledgeable

> : of Ayurvedic medicine, how would it be classified within the system of

> : Ayurveda?



Then Paul Ianone answered



> Well, these sorts of things can be characterized in East-Asian traditional

> healing as --phenomena--, but that does not legitimately characterize them as

> they --are--. In ETH this kind of complaint is described variously as

> Wind-Heat attacking the Pores, Damp-Heat welling up from the tissues, Blood

> Heat Stagnation, etc., depending on the concommitants and the physical and

> sensory appearance of the illness. But in fact, this kind of illness in an

> infant is --inherited--and should, therefore, be treated through

> constitutional homeopathy, which can lead the body to cure of these 'alien

> illness factors.'



Thank you for your answer. It would be helpful to me to have some of the

terms explained, but I can understand if you don't want to spend the

time. It's not easy for me to get information on ETH or Ayurveda, and I

am becoming curious about the world view behind each. I am locally

inundated with information about homeopathy, So am not as curious about this.



>

> Other forms of therapy are symptom management only. The 'alien illness

> factors' will simply sprout up elsewhere, later, in a more virulent form.

> Think of it as weeds. All you need is a long growing season to set seed, and

> one good rain, and your garden is in MUCH worse shape. It is best to remove

> the unintended, foreign plants as soon as possible, NOT to cultivate around

> them, and cut off the visible leaves (leaving the roots to grow huge).



Poor analogy for me. My philosophy of gardening is that weeds have their

uses and I practice cultivation for getting rid of them when necessary,

and only rarely uproot them and then only in some parts of the garden. I

never strive to eliminate them completely.



sph



ghidra@magi.com



"This will do," said the bunyip to himself.

"No one can see me here. I can be as handsome as I like."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 01:29:54 GMT

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Essential Oils

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199512022309.KAA19584@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> on 12/3/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: For you it is not a placebo as it doesn't work. Placebos are the most

: effective medicine we have.



Arggh. Placebos aren't medicines, effective or otherwise.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 01:29:41 GMT

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Osteogenesis Imperfecta(OI)

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <9512030502.AA22204@gamera.syr.edu> on 12/2/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: > Consider deer antler extract. Microcrystalline hyroxyapatite might

: > also be worth consideration (a form of calcium from freeze-dried calf

: > bone).

: >

: > This would be considered an Essence /Kidney Yang deficit pattern.

: > There are a variety of herbs that are used to replenish (or in this

: > case, supply) those energies.

: >

: > Paul

: > p_iannone@pop.com

:

: But the description of the ailment suggests the victims can't use

: calcium.  So supplementation of calcium is probably wasted, rather

: cruelly in this case.  Might better explore the cause(s) of failure

: to use calcium.

:

: Note that in most people calcium is not utilized effectively unless

: accompanied by magnesium, vit D and estrogen.  One needn't provide

: all these as supplements in every case but they are all required from

: some source.

:

: Dick



Dick, microcrystalling hydroxyapatite is a --hormonal-- form of calcium

supplementation. It is very highly absorbed to bone, which is why I mentioned

it. The supplementation of estrogen is needed for 'most people to absorb

calcium'? I don't think that is what you mean to be saying. You also need

oxygen to utilize calcium, and water.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 01:29:23 GMT

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: dandruff -reply

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199512020202.NAA21173@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> on 12/2/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: The name of the fungus is Pityrosporum ovale or Pityrosporum pachydermatis.

: It is related to Yeast. This is why antifungal herbs such as Rosemary,

: Cahamomile, Tea Tree essential oils etc are so effective in controlling

: this fungal problem. Sorry for the delay in finding the name. More info on

: request.

:

: Michael Bailes.



Patently absurd. While there are no doubt fungal forms of dandruff, the

causes are legion. As for 'related to yeast,' well, yeah, that's what any

fungus is. I don't understand your thinking here, I'm afraid.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 02:43:14 GMT

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Psyllium seed vs. husk

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199512031844.NAA08280@lightning.mgl.ca> on 12/3/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hello,

:

: I was wondering if anyone on this conference could vouch for the

: effectiveness of psyllium seed/husk in helping avoiding

: constipation/hemmerhoids?  Also - which is better - the seeds or the

: husk? What are the differences? (other than husks being a bit more

: expensive than seeds)

: Any info given would be great and very helpful.



Only if your diet is low in fiber and your constipation/hemorrhoids are the

result of that. Generally, I would be more inclined to recommend

discontinuing coffee, reducing fruit consumption, and taking some ginseng

daily.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:07:50 +1100

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Peter Bindon by way of frgntgar@ozemail.com.au"

              <bindop@MUSWA.DIALIX.OZ.AU>

Subject:      Tea Tree Oil



I am redirecting this from Ausplats list as you might find it of interest.

MBTFG



Like many plants there are more common names for any one individual than you

could imagine. Tea tree is one of them. In fact there are some Melaleucas

which do make a passable "tea" or infusion when used in moderation. James

Cook's experiments mostly involved making "small beers" or boiled infusions

of leaves of a variety of plants which would provide a bitter flavouring

agent. Perhaps the fungal quality of the small amount of oil present in a

preparation of this kind acted as a preservative for the liquid. His

journals do not elaborate too much on this, but certainly mention it. Joseph

Bank's journal also has a mention I believe.



Peter Bindon,

Head, Anthropology Dept.,

Western Australian Museum,

Francis St., PERTH 6000

AUSTRALIA

Tel: (09)3284411, International: +619 3284411

Fax: (09)328 8686

email: bindop@muswa.DIALix.com.oz.au



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:07:35 +1100

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Winter Depression



Why don't you come to Australia? It's the sunniest spot arround at the

moment. About 35C today where I am, and not a cloud in the sky : -)

MBTFG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 3 Dec 1995 23:12:00 PST

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jo <Alan_Grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

Subject:      essential oils



I would really be interested too, in finding out how to make essential oils,

so if someone answers Tommy's query, please post it to the list. In my

case.please don't assume any prior knowledge--in other words, the most

elementary instructions are welcome.

Thank-you .

Jo



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 05:58:53 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Vitamin C, Fruit and eczema was Re: Pre-men

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <Pine.SOL.3.91.951203215628.7283B-100000@infoweb.magi.com> on

12/3/95, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: > Well, these sorts of things can be characterized in East-Asian traditional

: > healing as --phenomena--, but that does not legitimately

: characterize them as > they --are--. In ETH this kind of complaint

: is described variously as > Wind-Heat attacking the Pores, Damp-Heat

: welling up from the tissues, Blood > Heat Stagnation, etc.,

: depending on the concommitants and the physical and > sensory

: appearance of the illness. But in fact, this kind of illness in an >

: infant is --inherited--and should, therefore, be treated through >

: constitutional homeopathy, which can lead the body to cure of these

: 'alien > illness factors.'

:

: Thank you for your answer. It would be helpful to me to have some of the

: terms explained, but I can understand if you don't want to spend the

: time. It's not easy for me to get information on ETH or Ayurveda, and I

: am becoming curious about the world view behind each. I am locally

: inundated with information about homeopathy, So am not as curious

: about this.

:

: >

: > Other forms of therapy are symptom management only. The 'alien illness

: > factors' will simply sprout up elsewhere, later, in a more virulent form.

: > Think of it as weeds. All you need is a long growing season to set

: seed, and > one good rain, and your garden is in MUCH worse shape.

: It is best to remove > the unintended, foreign plants as soon as

: possible, NOT to cultivate around > them, and cut off the visible

: leaves (leaving the roots to grow huge).

:

: Poor analogy for me. My philosophy of gardening is that weeds have their

: uses and I practice cultivation for getting rid of them when necessary,

: and only rarely uproot them and then only in some parts of the garden. I

: never strive to eliminate them completely.

:

: sph



Well, I don't practice symptom management for illnesses that can be cured,

sorry. I find your intellectual curiosity in this case odd and rather

distant. But that is your business, I suppose.



If the metaphor of weeds won't do, let's consider the metaphor of a time bomb

instead....



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:13:18 +1100

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         list Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Psyllium seed vs. husk



>In message ID <199512031844.NAA08280@lightning.mgl.ca> on 12/3/95,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>: Hello,

>:

>: I was wondering if anyone on this conference could vouch for the

>: effectiveness of psyllium seed/husk in helping avoiding

>:hemmerhoids?



yes works for me.

I use Metamucil cause it tastes better. It also lowers cholesterol .

For constipation I would use slippery Elm Powder.



Michael Bailes.

frgntgar@ozemail.com.au



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:07:14 +1100

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         list Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Aconite/Chaun Wu/Cao Wu



Facinating discussion. Thanks to Paul and Michael.

Perhaps this sort of detailed info should be put together and kept somewhere.

The quote I am using at the moment could be appropriate too.



I did have a chew of Monkshood (the one that grows in my garden) once.

Didn't do a lot for me.

Was it once (pre-Christian) called "Thors Hammer" and used as local

anesthetic when one was bashed with a broad -sword?



Michael Bailes.

frgntgar@ozemail.com.au



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 06:48:04 -0500

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Lamorinda2@AOL.COM

Subject:      Cassia Alata



Greetings!



I have been in search of the leaf extract from the plant

Cassia Alata for about two months now, and I am ready to make a purchase

IMMEDIATELY if you could locate some for me.  Thank you for your assistance.



Kindest Regards,



David Azalde

Kaiser Permenete Medical Group



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:11:31 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: SAD; light therapy

In-Reply-To:  <m0tLtRd-0001AzC@golden.ripco.com>



Good resource list ! May I also add that if you have any daylight hours

to be outdoors, that can help as well. The amount of light present on the

darkest day outside, is higher than the most well lit room. Outside

exercise is a great supplement to light banks. Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:55:44 +0000

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         James Morley <jm12kg@LION.RBGKEW.ORG.UK>

Subject:      Re: Psyllium seed vs. husk

Comments: To: Miriam Klinec <mklinec@MGL.CA>

In-Reply-To:  <199512031844.NAA08280@lightning.mgl.ca>



On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Miriam Klinec wrote:



> Hello,

>

> I was wondering if anyone on this conference could vouch for the

> effectiveness of psyllium seed/husk in helping avoiding

> constipation/hemmerhoids?  Also - which is better - the seeds or the

> husk? What are the differences? (other than husks being a bit more

> expensive than seeds)

> Any info given would be great and very helpful.



By Psyllium I am assuming we are taliking about _Plantago arenaria_ (syn.

_P. psyllium_).  The related sp. _P. ovata_ (syn. _P. isphagula_) is

certainly used for such purposes: in the UK Reckitt & Colman sell an

over-the-counter product called Fybogel which contains "3.5g of Ispaghula

[sic] husk BP".



This is hardly a definitive answer, but you could try writing to them to

see if they have more info:



Reckitt & Colman Products Ltd.

Dansome Lane

Hull

HU8 7DS

UK



--------------------------------------------------------------

James Morley                           J.Morley@rbgkew.org.uk

Centre for Economic Botany

Royal Botanic Gardens                    Tel. (0)181 332 5719

Kew, Richmond                            Fax. (0)181 332 5278

Surrey   TW9 3AE

UK                          WWW  http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/ceb

--------------------------------------------------------------



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:02:09 -0500

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Essential Oils



In a message dated 95-12-03 10:02:38 EST, you write:



>It is used for fungal skin problems.

> For an anti-inflamatory you might try Chamomile oil.



Thanks for the suggestion, although I'm now fairly convinced that the

connection between eczema and stress is well established--in my case. I've

watched the flare-ups and examined my own mental state enough to feel that an

internal solution will have a longer-lasting and perhaps permanent effect.

The potions and lotions and poultices and pills are, for me, merely

palliative.



--Dale--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:42:06 PST

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      essential oils vs extracts?



Hello all,



        I understand what essential oils are and the processes to attain them,

what ponders me sometimes is the not so common "extracts" of certain plants

listed in the ingredients of some products.  what is considered an extract that

is different from the extracted essential oils?  Do they use similar extraction

processes or not?



Thankyou,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 11:58:24 -0800

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Alison Dawson <adawson@EHS.EDUHSD.K12.CA.US>

Subject:      Re: Psyllium seed vs. husk

In-Reply-To:  <199512031844.NAA08280@lightning.mgl.ca>



Psyllium seed husks are the active ingredient in many laxitive type

drinks.  yes, they are quite effective.  taken with (esp) freshly squeezed

juice or veggie broth, the hemmoriodal condition can be sufficiently

avoided...or kept in remission.  don't forget, however, that nothing will

work if you don't eat lots of fresh foods (fruits and veggies).  Also,

exercise can be of great help.  good luck.



On Sun, 3 Dec 1995, Miriam Klinec wrote:



> I was wondering if anyone on this conference could vouch for the

> effectiveness of psyllium seed/husk in helping avoiding

> constipation/hemmerhoids?  Also - which is better - the seeds or the

> husk? What are the differences? (other than husks being a bit more

> expensive than seeds)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:07:11 -0800

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From:         Julia Carter <julia@SIRIUS.COM>

Subject:      Re: Psyllium seed vs. husk



Hi Paul,



I have read many of your well-informed  posts to the Herb group with

interest.  I was therefore curious when you suggested that drinking coffee

and eating fruit are potential causes of  constipation/ hemorrhoids.



You wrote:

>Only if your diet is low in fiber and your constipation/hemorrhoids are the

>result of that. Generally, I would be more inclined to recommend

>discontinuing coffee, reducing fruit consumption, and taking some ginseng

>daily.



Personally, I find parts of this advice somewhat counter-intuitive.  In my

own experience, both coffee and many fruits have beneficial effects on

intestinal throughput.  I would be very interested in the details of any

studies or cases that you are familiar with on this topic.



Regards,



Julia



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:13:37 -0500

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From:         Dave Harvey <warrior@INFINET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Winter Depression

In-Reply-To:  <199512040707.SAA14115@oznet02.ozemail.com.au>



Adam,



I have always wanted to go downunder, the Auzzies and the Kiwis I met in

England have a wonderful sense of humor, and I kind of feel that the

pioneering spirit America once had is still alive down there.



I have also heard that the ozone layer hole is now larger than the US.

What herbals can you use to foil the Sun's rays.  I have also heard that

skin cancer rates have soared.  What recommendations are made for this?



Regards,

Dave



On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Adam Van Wirdum wrote:



> Why don't you come to Australia? It's the sunniest spot arround at the

> moment. About 35C today where I am, and not a cloud in the sky : -)

> MBTFG

>



        "Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition

              from Mediocre Minds."     by Albert Einstein

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:31:26 -0700

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From:         Roger Bastin <bastinkk@CUCI.NL>

Subject:      Cotton-lavender/santolina



Hello,



I am a professional herbgrower of both freshcut herbs and a wide range of

herb plants. Selling plants under the right name is of great importance to

me. Although all plantscience originated from herbal-knowledge there is

great confusion in the naming of herbplants.

I have several seemably unresolvable probems giving plants the right name,

one of wich is in te field of Cotton-lavender.



We have in our collection the following plants. (If a name is mentioned two

times there are two different plants under the same name.):



Santolina chamaecyparissus

Santolina chamaecyparissus 'Edward Bowles'



Santolina chamaecyparissus ssp. tomentosa



Santolina chamaecyparissus 'Lambrook Silver'



Santolina chamaecyparissus nana (Santolina chamaecyparissus var corsica)



Santolina rosmarinifolia (S. virens / S. viridis)

Santolina rosmarinifolia



Santolina chamaecyparissus 'Small Ness'

Santolina serratifolia

Santolina neapolitana

Santolina incana 'Pretty Carol'

Santolina virens

Santolina viridis

Santolina pinnata





The problem is that all sources state that S. virens =3D S. viridis and

should be called S. rosmarinifolia.

I have a S. rosmarinifolia that is very different from the most accepted.

It is slightly glaucous, green dentate to =B150cm with a simmilar appearance

as; Santolina chamaecyparissus 'Small Ness'  but bigger.



I would like to know if there is a name for this pant. And I would like to

know if anyone else came across the names:  Santolina virens, Santolina

viridis and Santolina rosmarinifolia for different plants meaning they

should be reintroduced as names.   (I am not yet sure if all my collection

items are different plants because some of them are relatively new/ still

under examination.)





Roger Bastin

Kruidenkwekerij

V.O.F. Roger & Linda Bastin

Kruiden, Geurplanten en bijzondere tuinplanten

Trichterweg 148a, 6446 AT Brunssum, Nederland, Tel.: **31-45-5231475



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 17:41:34 -0500

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From:         MaryEllen Drewes <SunnyMED@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: orris root fixative



Try calling Starwest Botanicals, Rancho Cordova, Ca.

800- 800-4372.

MaryEllen



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:23:39 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Traditional Chinese medicine software series



In a message dated 95-12-01 11:16:23 EST, you write:



>I have a software program that is available for PC & Mac.  It has over

>6000 herb names, 15,000 chemical and organic constituents and 5700

>treatable conditions.  Easy to use program includes many color photos.



This sounds nice....where can I get this program, and how much does it go

for?





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:08:43 PST

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From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      aloe juice vs aloe gel



Hello,



        well, got another aloe vera question for you all.



        I want to add fresh aloe juice (juiced from a juicer) to my soaps I

will be making and wanted to know (since someone mentioned before that aloe

juice contained sugars that would ferment over time) would I need to add a

natural preservative like citric acid(or please recommend one) to the juice

before adding it to the soap mix to prolong the life of the soap or not?

        Is there any good chemical properties left in the pulp fibers left from

juicing the aloe leaves that would useful when added to the soap mix or would

it just be a ordinary scrubbing additive?



        I went to a health food store today, and they were selling pure aloe

vera gel and pure aloe vera juice(that was distilled from the leaves it said).

which would be more useful in an additive to soaps and related products for

external use?



Thankyou all,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:08:43 -0500

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From:         Sandra Hoffman <ghidra@INFOWEB.MAGI.COM>

Subject:      Re: Vitamin C, Fruit and eczema was Re: Pre-men

In-Reply-To:  <377745373.13714986@pop.com>



On Mon, 4 Dec 1995, Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> Well, I don't practice symptom management for illnesses that can be cured,

> sorry. I find your intellectual curiosity in this case odd and rather

> distant. But that is your business, I suppose.



The distance is in part a necesary response to the nature of this list.

If I appear to be searching for a treatment or cure I will be inundated

with alot of useless junk mail trying to sell me the latest cure all. In

part the distance is because we have an acceptable balance at this time

so I really am not actively looking for anything to treat or cure this

particular case. ETH and Ayerveda are systems that I'm not familiar with,

and have little opportunity to become familar with locally. The little

bits you and some others have mentioned as being a part of the underlying

philosophy or world view that ETH comes from, have led me to believe that

ETH might have something of value to teach me.



I work best if I have something specific to start from. My son's eczema,

because we are at a point of balance with it is a safe specific for me to

work with. I originally lit on it because from the sounds of it ETH seems

to have a place for diets without fruit in them. In the course of dealing

with reducing the immediate pain of eczema for my son we have had periods

of completely fruitless diets. We've been villified for this from both

followers of traditional and alternative medicines. Fruit in the diet is

virtually worshipped in all traditions I am familiar with. The fact that

ETH seems to have a place for fruitless diets makes me think there is

something there I need to understand.



It basically comes down to asking for a short course in something that

you, among others, have spent a great number of years and a great deal of

energy studying. I'll understand if no one has the time or energy to teach

me in a public forum such as this.



sph



ghidra@magi.com



"This will do," said the bunyip to himself.

"No one can see me here. I can be as handsome as I like."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:29:51 PST

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From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      underarm and body deoderant



Hello all,



        Does anyone here know how to or has made clear stick or a non-greasy

dry cream underarm or body deodorant that can be scented, using natural

substances?



Thankyou,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:32:17 PST

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From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      Incense distibutor?



Hello,



        Any one want to email me the address to a company that has a retail

catalog for selling unscented incense cones and sticks?



Thankyou,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 23:44:23 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Psyllium seed vs. husk

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



On 12/4/95 at 4:37 PM, Paul Iannone wrote:



: Stools (indeed, everything you swallow) are moved by Qi, they don't

: just fall out of the body. Constipation is due to:

:

: 1. a deficiency of Qi

: 2. a relatively insufficiency of Qi due to stagnation of Qi (and loss of

the rhythm of motility)

: 3. Dryness in the bowel from to a variety of causes (including stagnation)

: 4. an organic problem like prolapse (which has at its root chronic Qi

deficiency)

: 5. an accumulation of Heat in the bowel.



I should have, of course, added



6. Improper diet,



to the list. Psyllium husk falls in the category of therapies for number 6,

primarily. You CAN use psyllium to force a stool in cases 2 and 3, but it is

NOT a particularly good idea (not as good as eliminating the actual causation

in any case).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 23:37:27 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Psyllium seed vs. husk

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199512042007.MAA17179@terra.sirius.com> on 12/4/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hi Paul,

:

: I have read many of your well-informed  posts to the Herb group with

: interest.  I was therefore curious when you suggested that drinking coffee

: and eating fruit are potential causes of  constipation/ hemorrhoids.

:

: You wrote:

: >Only if your diet is low in fiber and your constipation/hemorrhoids are the

: >result of that. Generally, I would be more inclined to recommend

: >discontinuing coffee, reducing fruit consumption, and taking some ginseng

: >daily.

:

: Personally, I find parts of this advice somewhat counter-intuitive.  In my

: own experience, both coffee and many fruits have beneficial effects on

: intestinal throughput.  I would be very interested in the details of any

: studies or cases that you are familiar with on this topic.

:

: Regards,

:

: Julia



They sure do! And as they decrease bowel transit they weaken the digestive

energies, which have their own, natural, very important pace, maintained by

Qi.  Like every natural process, digestion is metered. Foods and beverages

which tend to change that metering cause health problems, and weaken the

harmony and integrity of the system involved.



Stools (indeed, everything you swallow) are moved by Qi, they don't just fall

out of the body. Constipation is due to:



1. a deficiency of Qi

2. a relatively insufficiency of Qi due to stagnation of Qi (and loss of the

rhythm of motility)

3. Dryness in the bowel from to a variety of causes (including stagnation)

4. an organic problem like prolapse (which has at its root chronic Qi

deficiency)

5. an accumulation of Heat in the bowel.



Only in cases of Heat in the bowel and Dryness are the usual naturopathic

means appropriate measures, and only in those cases do fruit and coffee aid

the eliminatory organ (even if they appear to aid elimination).



Laxation depletes digestive Qi. You can take that as an axiom.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:15:22 -0700

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From:         Tommy Clonts <TCLONTS@EAC.CC.AZ.US>

Subject:      Ed's deoderant



Here is a simple recipe, i have never tried it, but the ingredents sound

promiasing...

ng soda, not baking powder,  alum

4 parts baking SODA 9not powder)

2 parts alum

1 part salt (epsom+regular mix)

a few drops essential oil, OPTIONAL!





        This should work, tell me the results!



        Tommy.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:35:45 -0600

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From:         "Deborah J. Anderson" <andersod@STOLAF.EDU>

Subject:      Re: SAD; light therapy



I've built a light box myself, for about $60 for two 18 or 24 inch

fixtures, using full-spectrum lights which I bought at a place that sells

equipment for lamps and all kinds of light fixtures.  This company has a

patent on full spectrum lights.  I have been told (even by those that sell

them) that  bulbs that screw into fixtures like an incandescent light,

although long-lived, and natural-looking in color, aren't really

full-spectrum...I don't think they can be made full-spectrum.  The light

box was from a "kit" for recessed fluorescent lighting, with a stipled,

clear plastic cover...you can buy these in many sizes, and the bulbs aren't

that much more if you buy 48".  Personally, I wanted something more

manageable in size.



Deborah



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 05:48:09 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Vitamin C, Fruit and eczema was Re: Pre-men

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <Pine.SOL.3.91.951204185331.233A-100000@infoweb.magi.com> on

12/4/95, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I work best if I have something specific to start from. My son's eczema,

: because we are at a point of balance with it is a safe specific for me to

: work with. I originally lit on it because from the sounds of it ETH seems

: to have a place for diets without fruit in them. In the course of dealing

: with reducing the immediate pain of eczema for my son we have had periods

: of completely fruitless diets. We've been villified for this from both

: followers of traditional and alternative medicines. Fruit in the diet is

: virtually worshipped in all traditions I am familiar with. The fact that

: ETH seems to have a place for fruitless diets makes me think there is

: something there I need to understand.



Well, indeed--fruit is for many Americans a uniquely weakening food. It is

mysterious indeed that it is held in such high regard. My take on that is

that it is a natural counterbalance to the high starch, high protein SAD, and

beyond that, that it cooperates with the ungrounded aspects of the vegetarian

diet and mindset.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 00:09:35 MST

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From:         Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

Subject:      Re: Incense distibutor?



>Hello,

>

>        Any one want to email me the address to a company that has a retail

>catalog for selling unscented incense cones and sticks?

>

>Thankyou,

>

>Edward Bennett

>ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



Try:

EXCELSIOR INCENSE WORKS

     1413 VAN DYKE AVE

     SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94124

     415-822-9124





These folks are OLD pros, have been selling bulk incense for decades, have

unscented cones, dhoop and sticks by weight or count, as well as their own

brand of charcoal rounds by the box or case.



I believe they only sell wholesale, but have been known to let things slide

under fuzzy circumstances, such as messing around with stuff in pursuit of

something you like and WANT to market.  Otherwise, get a friendly retailer

to order FOR you.  I bought stuff from them for 15 years as a

retailer...used to have fun dissolving Pinyon, Ponderosa, Birch, Blue

Spruce, Juniper, Elephant Tree, and Brittle Bush gums I collected and

impregnated the sticks and cones with the resin, picking native and buying

commercial Copals in Mexico, adding a little Siberian Fir oil here,

Cinnamon Leaf Oil there...back-of-the-store bathtub alchemy.  It's

fun...and saleable.  Just keep logs of what you do so that you can REPEAT

it again if it works.



(got this from the resource file from my web site...I need to update it

soon, along with my class lists...I always seem to have time to scan some

old fascinating 19th century book or edit some photos for the site, never

seem to spend enough time trying to pay the bills...in fact the number MAY

be 415-622-9124...I noticed I have BOTH numbers in the file...oh well.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 00:30:29 MST

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From:         Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

Subject:      Re: underarm and body deoderant



>Hello all,

>

>        Does anyone here know how to or has made clear stick or a non-greasy

>dry cream underarm or body deodorant that can be scented, using natural

>substances?

>

>Thankyou,

>

>Edward Bennett

>ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



I used to make and sell muslin draw-string bags filled with powdered

herbs...you could pat it under your arms, groin, feet, prehensile

fore-thorax Aa'sc=FA=F9h^ta (ooops...wrong lifeform).



It was a mixture of two parts powdered Sandalwood (Santalum album), 1 part

powdered White Oak Bark (Quercus alba) and one part powdered Lovage Root

(Levisticum).  It needs to be FINELY powdered, and I usually would

re-process the combined mixture it in a blender, grain mill or vita-mix

until the powder was a little warm or lightly pan-roast it in a clean iron

pan.  Like making a good Masala, the heat or friction "sets" the resins and

oils into a gestalt that has a more robust effect and subtler scent.



The Sandalwood, besides smelling good, is moderately anti-microbial, and a

mild stimulus to local circulation (a feeble rubifacient) the oak bark is,

of course, highly astringent, and the Lovage has a subtle

butterscotch-celery scent, and still has some of the faint folkloric

"Love-Charm" echoes of Britain before the Guys From The East took over

(starting way back with Julius and Suetonius Caesarii, and continued by the

Guys In Habits)



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 30 Nov 1995 05:49:04 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Aconite Toxicology (Lancet)

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <v01510101ace263d28218@[198.59.162.167]> on 11/29/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Before intoxication, each patient had ingested a

: decoction prepared from a compound herbal prescription that included the

: "cured" (processed) rootstocks of Aconitum carmichaeli, A kusnezoffii,

: and/or A brachypodum. The herbs were taken for rheumatism in 11

: patients, respiratory tract infection in 4, as a "tonic" in 1, and for

: prostatism in 1.



I always love to see how medical hegemonists phrase things to produce

prejudice. Here we are looking at three herbs. Which patients took which

herb? Were the A. kusnezofii  (Cao wu) or A. brachypodum cured, or not? The

sentence is ambiguous. As previously stated, the roots of Cao wu are used

uncured for rheumatism (while A. carmichaeli is very rarely used uncured).

Obviously, that is a risky approach--quite similar to toxic regimes of heavy

pain killers used in conventional medicine.



Given that the place of this problem is the south, the likely source of A.

carmichaeli is NOT Fu zi, but Chuan wu, 'Sichuan aconite,' which is notably

more toxic than the much more commonly used Fu zi (grown in Shansi, rather

than Sichuan, and drawn from lateral roots, not the central rootstock).



A. brachypodum is NOT a commonly used species in the pharmacopeia.



Which cases didn't prepare the herb properly? Again, not stated. If the

patient who used it for 'tonic' purposes didn't get the right herb, and

didn't prepare it properly, this is hardly a condemnation of this herbs use

for tonification regimes. Indeed, this herb is one of the few that can be

considered a 'tonic.' It is indeed used to revitalize and 'tone' the heart

muscle.



The mention of Uncaria and Angelica sp. is absurd. Luckily for us all (not),

the Hong Kong hegemonists have their 'herb-haters' too.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 07:39:49 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Remedies for A.D.D.



In a message dated 95-12-03 09:59:20 EST, you write:



>> there is little conclusive herbal information I can offer that

>> evidences improvement for A.D.D.  Gingko Biloba may be of assistance.

>> This herb is currently being studied for its application in treating

>> Alzheimer's and other mental dementias.  It has a demonstrated

>> ability to improve short term memory in both college students and the

>> elderly including those in the initial stages of Alzheimer's and to

>> enhance neurotransmissions.

>

>>>Is GB generally available from herb suppliers?  What dosages and

>>>administrations?



In order to receive the most benefit, the ginkgo should be standardized to

24% ginkgo flavonglycosides. You should be able to obtain the 24% extract

from a good health food store.  The suggested adult dosage is 50 mg 3

times/day.  However, please keep in mind that I'm a mere writer, and not a

physician.  To the best of my knowledge, there are no reports of significant

adverse reactions at the above referenced dosage, but that occasionally,

headache, and stomach upset may result.



> Valerian has also been used in Europe since the 1970's to treat

> children with hyperactivity and other (non-specified) learning

> disorders.  But valerian has a sedative effect and its use is a

> different therapy than commonly used in the U.S.  It may sound crazy,

> (at least I thought so) but children with these disorders actually

> respond to stimulants differently than adults do.



>>Valerian is the parent of valium isn't it?



This is a very common belief, however incorrect.  Valium is the tradename of

a synthetically produced drug called "Diazepam."  Both Valerian and Valium

have a tranquilizing effect, but Valerian is much milder, non-addictive, and

produces far less side effects (like the "morning after" let down experienced

with synthetic drugs) than Valium.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:50:45 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: SAD; light therapy

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199512050258.UAA08048@nic.stolaf.edu> on 12/4/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I've built a light box myself, for about $60 for two 18 or 24 inch

: fixtures, using full-spectrum lights which I bought at a place that sells

: equipment for lamps and all kinds of light fixtures.  This company has a

: patent on full spectrum lights.  I have been told (even by those that sell

: them) that  bulbs that screw into fixtures like an incandescent light,

: although long-lived, and natural-looking in color, aren't really

: full-spectrum...I don't think they can be made full-spectrum.  The light

: box was from a "kit" for recessed fluorescent lighting, with a stipled,

: clear plastic cover...you can buy these in many sizes, and the bulbs aren't

: that much more if you buy 48".  Personally, I wanted something more

: manageable in size.

:

: Deborah



My understanding is that part of high-spectrum bulbs (a UV emitter?) can burn

out and you can't tell.  You might want to check into that.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 10:35:40 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         MaryEllen Drewes <SunnyMED@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: essential oils vs extracts?



Extracts are most often obtained by putting plant material into alcohol, so

that the solvent effect of the alcohol draws the essential oil of the plant.

 Usually the alcohol is left in the extracted product, making that liquid a

mix of alcohol and oil, which is often water soluble.  Pure essential oil, by

nature contains no alcohol and so, is more concentrated.  It is usually oil

soluble.



MaryEllen



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:10:04 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      New Smudge Ingredients

Comments: To: puanani@micf.nist.gov



In a message dated 95-12-04 09:59:10 EST, you write:



>I am not sure if I know what you are asking, but I will take a guess, I

>suppose if you found something that appealed to your nose (like sandalwood)

>you could take tiny slivers or twigs and bundle them, if it were too dry to

>smoke you could add a drop or two of liquid or soak them in scented water

>and then dry partially to get it to smoke and not flame. I hope this is what

>you mean. If I am wrong please let me know as I am always interested in

>learning  new ways to make scents.



I don't completely understand how smudges are made even with sage. No matter

how dry they are they don't flame; they just smoke. I'd like to experiment

with other fragrant plants to create the same effect. I suppose I could

experiment with, say, mugwort, hops, catnip, roses, wildflowers, lemon balm,

lavender, mint and other, similar plants. But I don't know how to make them

smoke without burning. And, of course, I have no idea how any of those plants

would smell once ignited.



If you have any ideas, I'm interested...



--Dale--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 11:04:06 PST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Theresa Williams (Echo News)" <v-twill@MICROSOFT.COM>

Subject:      Question about amorphous sperm

Comments: To: HOLISTIC@SIUCVMB.BITNET



 Message-ID: red-34-msg951205190428MTP[01.51.00]000000a7-42037



Do any of you know what the difference is between taper-shaped and

oval-shaped sperm?  Apparently tapers are less desirable than oval.

Along with that, any ideas on how to holistically/herbally encourage

the production of oval shaped sperm.



Thanks.  My apologies for duplicates as I've posted this to two lists.



Thanks!



Theresa



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:10:45 EST5EDT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Janice Miles <janice@CONT-ED.CORNELL.EDU>

Organization: Continuing Education, Cornell Univ.

Subject:      Hepatitis C



I'm looking for some advice.  We just found out my 76 year old mother

has hepatitis C and apparently got it from a transfusion she received

26 years ago when she had open heart surgery.  Are there any herbal

teas or remedies that anyone knows of that she might benefit from?



TIA

Janice Miles

B20 Day Hall

Continuing Education & Summer Sessions

Cornell Universitty

(IMHO)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:45:37 MST

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From:         Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

Subject:      Re: Aconite Toxicology (Lancet)



>I always love to see how medical hegemonists phrase things to produce

>prejudice. Here we are looking at three herbs. Which patients took which

>herb? Were the A. kusnezofii  (Cao wu) or A. brachypodum cured, or not? The

>sentence is ambiguous. As previously stated, the roots of Cao wu are used

>uncured for rheumatism (while A. carmichaeli is very rarely used uncured).

>Obviously, that is a risky approach--quite similar to toxic regimes of heavy

>pain killers used in conventional medicine.

>-- - - - - snip - - - - -

>Which cases didn't prepare the herb properly? Again, not stated. If the

>patient who used it for 'tonic' purposes didn't get the right herb, and

>didn't prepare it properly, this is hardly a condemnation of this herbs use

>for tonification regimes. Indeed, this herb is one of the few that can be

>considered a 'tonic.' It is indeed used to revitalize and 'tone' the heart

>muscle.

>

>The mention of Uncaria and Angelica sp. is absurd. Luckily for us all (not),

>the Hong Kong hegemonists have their 'herb-haters' too.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



This sounds overly critical to me...the Hong Kong Public Health folks are

faced with:



WHATS starting to make some folks sick (for SICK they indeed are)



Its SEEMS to be Aconite preparations.



Aconite Preparations have NOT caused problems before, since the low-dosage

preparations (potentially toxic) have been dispensed by careful and

knowledgeable Chinese herbalists.



WHAT'S WRONG NOW???  What's changed with either the plant drugs, the

quality of practitioners or the altered expectations of the patients that

is allowing this to happen.



THIS IS WHAT THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT, although couched in Public Health Medicalese.



The fact that they haven't asked the advice of Chinese Herb Authorities is

simply typical of civil servants...not going outside the local government

for answers is NOT necessarily a sign of "medical hegemony", so much as it

is the very nature of actions that makes most of us curse ANY middle-level

government interface...from Motor Vehicles to the Soy-Bean Office.



That's my read on the article, Paul, but I am prone to viewing things in a

rosy manner and forgiving my fellows, lest they look TOO closely at me, and

having the Liberal's wishy-washy attitude...perhaps I lack your critical

nature.



There IS something wrong in all this erudite discussion...mealy-mouthed on

MY part, cranky and imperious in YOURS:



If you were to take a gram of the dried uncured root of ANY GODDAMN ACONITE

SPECIES IN THE WORLD, you will get sick!  Your constant reference to THIS

species (from the south), THAT species (from the north) and ANOTHER species

(perhaps, for all I know, from Odin's Asshole) is begging the issue.



ACONITES are DANGEROUS!!!



Even the cured roots that we both know and refer to can be dangerous,

albeit for subtler reasons not purely toxicologic but energetic.



To a Homeopath, Nux Vomica and Ignatia are remedies with distinctly

different profiles, but in moderate physiologic doses a normal human being

will feel no difference between them...just the crazy electric hypertonic

neuromuscular tremors and twitches of a bit too much strychnine.  (trust

me...I've tried both).



YOU may find important differences between the various Chinese UNCURED

Aconite roots...that is begging the issue.  IF YOU TAKE TOO MUCH, you get

sick in the same way.



Some herbs are dangerous.

These should be dispensed by experienced therapists.

They should not be made available to those whom are in their "dabble" phase of

    herb experience.

They should not be made available to those who "wanna get off".

They should not be made available to those who feel a wide-eyed childish

tendency

    to view all this stuff as "Safe and Nacheral"

They should not be part of any marketing or product line or MLM herb hustle.

If a government or medical guild prevents this from happening (because we

are given

    no legal standing), we should do our best to SELF-REGULATE and EDUCATE.



It seems that you find any criticism of Aconite (except your own) to be

abhorrant, because it isn't couched in YOUR dialetic.  In your need to

clarify and sharpen the definitions that are important to YOU, it seems

that you find MIS-STATEMENTS far more important than defining the real-time

dangers of Aconite excess.



At some point, when someone has taken several grams of uncured Aconite (any

damn species), and they are faint, cold, shivery/clammy, and can't quite

tell if they are remembering to breath because dermatome feedback is numbed

out (I'm talking from both first and second-hand experience here), it

doesn't matter about:

1. The Homeopathic profile,

2. The TCM energetics,

3. The Eclectic Specific Indications,



it is NOW the realm of TOXICOLOGY...



I have a feeling, Paul, that you wonder what I am getting at, and why I

bother...



Nonetheless...in your careful and fussy attitude towards defending and

clarifying the PROPER parameters of Aconite specifics, it seems, on READING

your words, that, in your mind, SAYING it properly is more important than

the physical reality of:



Uncured Aconite (of any species) is VERY dangerous.



Since virtually anyone with a knowledge of pharmacology, pharmacognosy or

western botanical medicine will fail to understand the vital difference

between ANY Aconite and the rather obscure (except to a relative few...like

you and me) nature of Chinese Cured Aconite, we must be PRACTICAL.



At least half-a-dozen times over the last couple of decades I have run

across students or customers who have gotten UNCURED Aconite from "Chinese"

herb stores (both San Francisco and Vancouver), and, not knowing the

difference, were ready to take it internally.  I have known two

acupuncturists (who should know better,) that have dug up native A.

columbianum and wanted to know if they could use it as a local "Fu-Tze", in

their attempt to Use Local Herbs because they were boycotting China.



These were not STUPID people, just INEXPERIENCED in OUR world of herbs.



(I'm talked out...your turn, I'm afraid.  The rest of you are invited to

auto-erase any further discourse on the subject by either Michael Moore or

Paul Iannone as soon as you see it coming...we are BOTH obviously stubborn

old buzzards)



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

-----------------------------------------------------------------

All the SWSBM teaching and clinical manuals, JPEGs of Medicinal Plant

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:58:56 -0600

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Digest.  Penny Andrews" <pandrews@STUDENTS.WISC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: New Smudge Ingredients



>I don't completely understand how smudges are made even with sage. No matter

>how dry they are they don't flame; they just smoke. I'd like to experiment

>with other fragrant plants to create the same effect. I suppose I could

>experiment with, say, mugwort, hops, catnip, roses, wildflowers, lemon balm,

>lavender, mint and other, similar plants. But I don't know how to make them

>smoke without burning. And, of course, I have no idea how any of those plants

>would smell once ignited.

>

>If you have any ideas, I'm interested...

>

a couple of thoughts...i use my garden sage and while it will go out

readily and therefore is not as steady a burner as the kind i can buy at

the store, my sage also smokes without burning...

something i recently learned that i have yet to try is that the east

Indians burn basil as an incense,  i think this would be quite lovely.   p



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:21:00 PST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Dorene Petersen <dorenep@EUROPA.COM>

Subject:      Re: Incense distibutor?



>        Any one want to email me the address to a company that has a retail

>catalog for selling unscented incense cones and sticks?



Hi, try The Essential Oil Company, 1 800 729 5912 for a free catalog, they

have blank incense cones and sticks and a great variety of pure

aromatherapy grade Essential Oils.  Dorene Petersen



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:32:00 PST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Dorene Petersen <dorenep@EUROPA.COM>

Subject:      Re: essential oils vs extracts?



>Hello all,

>

>        I understand what essential oils are and the processes to attain them,

>what ponders me sometimes is the not so common "extracts" of certain plants

>listed in the ingredients of some products.  what is considered an extract that

>is different from the extracted essential oils?  Do they use similar extraction

>processes or not?

>

>Thankyou,

>

>Edward Bennett

>ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



Extracts are usually refering to Fluid Extracts - botanical material is

soaked in a solvent, usually alcohol, filtered off then the alcohol is

distilled or vacuum extracted out of the mixture.  A Fluid Extract should

not contain alcohol.  A tincture on the other hand is the botanical

material soaked in alcohol, strained but the alchohol is not removed.

Tinctures do contain alcohol.  Fluid extracts are stronger than a tincture.



Essential oils can be extracted by distillation,water or steam. Absolutes

are essential oils that have been extracted by a solvent method usually

hexane. The solvent is vacuum extracted out.  Some plants yeild their oil

to steam others need to be extracted with a solvent.  So the process to

produce an essential oil is not the same as producing extracts.

Dorene Petersen, Australasian College of Herbal Studies

dorenep@europa.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:32:47 +1100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         list Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: dandruff -reply



>In message ID <199512020202.NAA21173@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> on 12/2/95,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



>: The name of the fungus is Pityrosporum ovale or Pityrosporum pachydermatis.

>: It is related to Yeast. This is why antifungal herbs such as Rosemary,

>: Cahamomile, Tea Tree essential oils etc are so effective in controlling

>: this fungal problem. Sorry for the delay in finding the name. More info on

>: request.



>Patently absurd. While there are no doubt fungal forms of dandruff, the

>causes are legion. As for 'related to yeast,' well, yeah, that's what any

>fungus is. I don't understand your thinking here, I'm afraid.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



Patently absurd.

Paul I don't think you exist either. (Are you a Cyber-Demon sent by the

FDA to antagonise herbalists on the net?)

I have a list of 135 research reports (53 pages) on my fungus which proves

it exists. Can you provide the same?

I don't understand your thinking here, I'm afraid.



Michael Bailes.

frgntgar@ozemail.com.au



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:41:46 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Roger Bastin <bastinkk@CUCI.NL>

Subject:      Re: New Smudge Ingredients



Smudge sticks are not so well known  here in Europe. But among the people

who like the indian way they are used and in wholistic shops you can

somethimes buy prepared smudge sticks.



I am a professional grower of fresh herbs and herb-plants and as so, proud

to have Salvia apiana wich is to my knowledge the mean ingredient of

smudge-sticks. Is this correct or can anybody name other plants?

Salvia apiana is at least a very special plant it has a strong odour with a

hint of eucalyptus and fleshy silver gray leaves.



We also grow an African sage that is used for smoking ceremonies; Salvia

repens var. repens, does anybody know more about the use of this plant in

(south)Africa?



Roger Bastin

Kruidenkwekerij

V.O.F. Roger & Linda Bastin

Kruiden, Geurplanten en bijzondere tuinplanten

Trichterweg 148a, 6446 AT Brunssum, Nederland, Tel.: **31-45-5231475



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:47:37 PST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      deodorants



Hello all,



        Okay, I've been getting alot of great recipes for underarm and body

deodorant mix(in powder form).  Now, lets say we want to take our powder recipe

and turn it into a clear stick or crystal salt(mineral salt stick) stick, what

ingredients would we need to accomplish this and how would we add them?

Preferably as natural as possible ingredients if possible.  Also, it would be

great to make it so that after it goes on easy onto the body, it would dry so

that it isn't sticky or greasy, leaving the activating ingredients spread out

onto the surface of the skin and some inside the skin.



Thankyou,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:28:15 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Aconite Toxicology (Lancet)

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <v01510100ace9dd914678@[198.59.162.167]> on 12/5/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >The mention of Uncaria and Angelica sp. is absurd. Luckily for us

: all (not), >the Hong Kong hegemonists have their 'herb-haters' too.

: >

: >--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

:

: This sounds overly critical to me...the Hong Kong Public Health folks are

: faced with:

:

: WHATS starting to make some folks sick (for SICK they indeed are)

:

: Its SEEMS to be Aconite preparations.

:

: Aconite Preparations have NOT caused problems before, since the low-dosage

: preparations (potentially toxic) have been dispensed by careful and

: knowledgeable Chinese herbalists.

:

: WHAT'S WRONG NOW???  What's changed with either the plant drugs, the

: quality of practitioners or the altered expectations of the patients that

: is allowing this to happen.

:

: THIS IS WHAT THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT, although couched in Public Health

: Medicalese.



Then why the mention of Angelica and Uncaria?



: If you were to take a gram of the dried uncured root of ANY GODDAMN ACONITE

: SPECIES IN THE WORLD, you will get sick!  Your constant reference to THIS

: species (from the south), THAT species (from the north) and ANOTHER species

: (perhaps, for all I know, from Odin's Asshole) is begging the issue.



No, it is not. My statements have been linear in their attempt to clarify

that different plant PRODUCTS have different danger levels in their use. 'Fu

zi' is essentially safe to use. The other pharmacal forms are not necessarily

in the same safety range.



: ACONITES are DANGEROUS!!!



I never said that they weren't, but Fu zi is not what I would call

'dangerous.'



: YOU may find important differences between the various Chinese UNCURED

: Aconite roots...that is begging the issue.  IF YOU TAKE TOO MUCH, you get



Not according to Tang, Eisenbrand, Chinese Drugs of Plant Origin. They

specifically point to the need for --TWO-- sets of alkaloids to be present

for significant toxic effects to occur in moderate doses. Those vary in

proportion from species to species, and no doubt by season too. Some species

are minimally toxic because they only contain one.



Even so, I have NOT been discussing uncured aconite.



: It seems that you find any criticism of Aconite (except your own) to be

: abhorrant, because it isn't couched in YOUR dialetic.  In your need to

: clarify and sharpen the definitions that are important to YOU, it seems

: that you find MIS-STATEMENTS far more important than defining the real-time

: dangers of Aconite excess.



I don't think that characterizes my posts at all. I use Fu zi in my practice,

and consider that a safe practice--I give it to my mom, after all.



: Uncured Aconite (of any species) is VERY dangerous.



AND? I haven't said a word about uncured aconite, other than to note that its

proper use in rheumatism is similar in danger as the use of steroids in the

West.



: Since virtually anyone with a knowledge of pharmacology, pharmacognosy or

: western botanical medicine will fail to understand the vital difference

: between ANY Aconite and the rather obscure (except to a relative few...like

: you and me) nature of Chinese Cured Aconite, we must be PRACTICAL.



Really? I don't see what is so complex about understanding that long steaming

will partially-hydrolyze the relevant alkaloids.



: At least half-a-dozen times over the last couple of decades I have run

: across students or customers who have gotten UNCURED Aconite from "Chinese"

: herb stores (both San Francisco and Vancouver), and, not knowing the

: difference, were ready to take it internally.  I have known two

: acupuncturists (who should know better,) that have dug up native A.

: columbianum and wanted to know if they could use it as a local "Fu-Tze", in

: their attempt to Use Local Herbs because they were boycotting China.

:

: These were not STUPID people, just INEXPERIENCED in OUR world of herbs.



No argument. I use prepared formulas containing PREPARED aconite (Fu zi). I

don't even use the bulk herb--I rely on the manufacturer's expertise, which

is substantial.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:33:11 -0600

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "R.M.K." <iss@RCI.RIPCO.COM>

Subject:      Re: Valeriana\valium



To: HERB@trearnpc.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Valeriana\valium



Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>  replied:

|

|There is absolutely NO connection between Valerian and Valium...believe

|me...just an accident of circumstance...Valeriana is a classic Roman latin

|reference...Valium is an invented trade name...a copycat name from a

|pharmaceutical manufacturer to aid in making a conscious or unconscious

|connection with "Librium", a successful tranq whose market Valium was

|originally aimed at.

|



yes... but, maybe....  When this argument last came up some time ago...

I called the research line at Hoffman LaRoche.  They confirmed the fact

that there is NO chemical similarity between the two.  They could *NOT*

however, provide any insight as to the origin of the trademark name

"Valium"... this was sorta the purpose of my call, as I can see the

possibility of using this "VAL..." word when trying to name a

pharmaceutical which has somewhat similar etiology as the botanical.  I

requested info about the origin of the trademark name, but never got a

reply.



In this regard only, I could see a connection between the two... If

anyone has info about HOW the *NAME* "Valium" was derived... I'd surely

like to hear about it..??.



Rob.



..

---

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 22:20:44 CST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Mary Jacobs <U45301@UICVM.BITNET>

Subject:      SAD Quote

In-Reply-To:  Wed, 6 Dec 1995 01:33:57 +0200,

              from Automatic digest processor <LISTSERV@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



>>these rhythms in the way we feel and behave.

>>For some of us, however, these changes can disrupt

>>our lives.



> Hello!   May I ask where the above quotation comes from?



"Winter Blues" by Norman Rosenthal.



Mary



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:14:00 -0600

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From:         "Deborah J. Anderson" <andersod@STOLAF.EDU>

Subject:      diabetes, aspartame



In response to my earlier request for information on herbs that might be

helpful, in addition to regular medical Rx (insulin, diet, exercise) for

Type I (childhood) diabetes that is still out of control, Mark Gold wrote:

<If the child is on aspartame/NutraSweet, I cannot too strongly recommend

getting him/her off of it <right away and permanently.  (Check labels of

all products including gum, vitamins, medication,

<etc.)  In the long-run it is bad news for many people, including

diabetics.  Many diabetics have <found an increased control of glucose

after getting off of aspartame.



He is indeed on NutraSweet/aspartane, as are most diabetics, and it would

be very difficult to get him off (e.g., this would mean no soft drinks or

even most drinks except water, since he can only have a relatively small

amount of fruit juice because of its sugar content - he already feels

pretty unhappy about being so different from other kids with respect to

eating, and I'm not his parent (he's with me only every other weekend and

longer stretches on holidays), so I'm reluctant to suggest solutions which

will make life even more difficult for his mother, who may or may not want

the advice, unless I'm quite certain it's solid and feasible...Does anyone

know how effective this is?  how many kids may be adversely affected by

aspartane?  How solid the research is?  Any other solutions to lower

ketones and glucose?



Thanks, Deborah



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 20:46:52 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Susan Battle <sbattle@AGORA.RDROP.COM>

Subject:      Re: deodorants

In-Reply-To:  <0099A6A9.1591F060.22@dhvx20.csudh.edu>



On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Edward Bennett wrote:



>         Okay, I've been getting alot of great recipes for underarm and body

> deodorant mix(in powder form).  Now, lets say we want to take our powder recipe

> and turn it into a clear stick or crystal salt(mineral salt stick) stick, what

> ingredients would we need to accomplish this and how would we add them?

> Preferably as natural as possible ingredients if possible.  Also, it would be

> great to make it so that after it goes on easy onto the body, it would dry so

> that it isn't sticky or greasy, leaving the activating ingredients spread out

> onto the surface of the skin and some inside the skin.

 >

I haven't tried this recipe yet, but I will soon. It's from David Webb's

book, Potpurri, colognes and soaps. I bought it because I've been making

soap, but several of the other recipes look interesting.



Stick Deodorandt



3 oz. unscented talcum powder

2 oz. cornstarch

1 oz. baking soda

1 oz. liquid chorophyll]

2 oz. alcohol

2oz. distilled water

8 oz. beeswax or paraffin



mix all ingredients but wax and liquid chorophyll in a bowl and stir

thoroughly.

Heat wax in a pan over a pot of boiling water-handle with EXTREME caution.

As the wax melts, remove from heat. Add the other ingredients and blend

them in well. If the wax becomes too thick to become workable, heat again

cautiously, and continue.

As the mixture begins to cool, but before it hardens, add the liquid

clorophyll and the fragrance. (I guess you add what you want for fragrance.)

Pour into molds. (Small juice glasses or the cardboard in toilet paper rolls)

Let set.

When set, remove from molds. Store in a closed container, otherwise they

might shrivel. (Like a zip-lock bag). If you want a push-up stick, leave

in toilet paper roll and simply push up from bottom.



I've read that talcum powder is not good for you, so when I try it I'll

just substitute more cornstarch or maybe some baking soda.



Susan

sbattle@agora.rdrop.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 21:36:06 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Steven W. Liebrenz" <sliebrenz@SKIFAST.WIN.NET>

Subject:      Siberian Ginseng Extract



Greetings:



I am looking for a standardized Siberian ginseng extract that is alcohol

free and containing a high concentration of eleutherosides.  If anyone

could help me source such a product, please advise.



Happy Holidays,

Steve



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 21:36:45 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Question about amorphous sperm

In-Reply-To:  <199512051907.LAA05497@imail2.microsoft.com>



On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Theresa Williams (Echo News) wrote:



> Do any of you know what the difference is between taper-shaped and

> oval-shaped sperm?  Apparently tapers are less desirable than oval.

> Along with that, any ideas on how to holistically/herbally encourage

> the production of oval shaped sperm.



Never heard of this before, which doesn't mean anything.  How did you

hear about this (a lab test?), and what is the implication?  I.e. more

chance of one taking, or more chance of damage, or ...



I've heard of diminishing sperm counts over the last 100 years (plus one

recent study that debunked that).  Still, fewer or not, they still seem

to do the job.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:39:36 -0500

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From:         Mary Lou Sparks <WIPUBREL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Science Project



Russell.  Hi.  What a good subject you picke!



I think you should test the difference between a tea brewed from the

chamomile in your yard with a store bought tea bag.  One brand in the store

is probably better than another.  For your survey, I have had a good response

(getting sleepy) after drinking a tea made from chaomile flowers from my

garden.  Some of the commercial ones don't even taste like chamomile, yet a

couple brands of chamomile tea bags have a good effect.

Good luck!  Mary Lou T. Sparks, Herbs & Blurbs



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 21:45:34 -0800

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From:         "Steven W. Liebrenz" <sliebrenz@SKIFAST.WIN.NET>



Hello:



I'm back already.  I'm searching the NET for current research on the

various ginsengs.  Can

anyone guide me to a good source(s)?  Please help.



Thanks,

Steve



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:57:34 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: dandruff -reply

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199512052232.JAA02642@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> on 12/6/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >Patently absurd. While there are no doubt fungal forms of dandruff, the

: >causes are legion. As for 'related to yeast,' well, yeah, that's what any

: >fungus is. I don't understand your thinking here, I'm afraid.

: >

: >--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

: >--

: Patently absurd.

:  Paul I don't think you exist either. (Are you a Cyber-Demon sent by the

: FDA to antagonise herbalists on the net?)

: I have a list of 135 research reports (53 pages) on my fungus which proves

: it exists. Can you provide the same?

:   I don't understand your thinking here, I'm afraid.



I am simply saying that dandruff does not in all cases result from a fungus.

I am not denying that a fungus may well become involved at some point in the

process of a skin disharmony, or may in some few cases CAUSE that problem. I

do not believe that "dandruff=a fungus."



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 5 Dec 1995 23:27:57 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Maria Dammel <madammel@CLN.ETC.BC.CA>

Subject:      Re: calendula cream



I grow calendula in my garden and would like to make calendula cream or

lotion, as I've heard that it is an excellent moisturizer and also

wonderful to treat baby rashes. I would appreciate if someone on this list

could send me a recipe.TIA

Maria Dammel



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 02:31:54 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Dick Dawson <ddawson@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>

Subject:      SAD; light therapy



Careful.  Flourescent lights are line spectrum devices.  Never 'full

spectrum'.  One can rig a lot of phosphors and make a lot of lines

that make the resultant light look somewhat like a continuous

spectrum to human eyes.  Read Land's study of color vision.



Dick

ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu

http://web.syr.edu/~ddawson



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 02:46:10 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Dick Dawson <ddawson@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>

Subject:      melanin; tan, usw.



Some tv program just mentioned injectable stuff that promotes melanin

production.  Yields a real melanin tan w/o solar exposure.  The tan

yields some protection from uv.  The announcer talked about

preventing a half million melanoma deaths per year.  Demo in

Australia.



Dick

ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:48:12 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         CB Leek <cleek@TERRA.NLNET.NF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Aconite Toxicology (Lancet)

In-Reply-To:  <v01510100ace9dd914678@[198.59.162.167]>



On Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:45:37 MST, you wrote:



(((snipped long diatribe re: Aconites)))

>(I'm talked out...your turn, I'm afraid.  The rest of you are invited to

>auto-erase any further discourse on the subject by either Michael Moore or

>Paul Iannone as soon as you see it coming...we are BOTH obviously stubborn

>old buzzards)



You may both be stubborn old buzzards, but it sure is neat to be 'the

little kid a-sittin' at the feet of argumentative, knowledgable

elders'!   <VBG>



>Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

>http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

>-----------------------------------------------------------------

>All the SWSBM teaching and clinical manuals, JPEGs of Medicinal Plant

>photographs and class announcements can be obtained at this site.



I've enjoyed the knowledge freely dispensed at this site and by both

you and Paul to all and sundry on this group!

Buzzard away, boys!

Thanks for letting me listen in....

<VBG>

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:13:46 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "J. Keeler" <jkeeler@MOOSE.UVM.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Siberian Ginseng Extract

In-Reply-To:  <v01510101acead9224b41@[204.215.209.136]>



Steve,

The usual disclaimer applies here.  I bought this at a health food store

several months ago.



I take Imperial Elixir Siberian ginseng extract powder 50 capsules 2500

mg. each (sale price $8.46).  100% pure Siberian Ginseng(eleutheroccus

senticosus) extract powder (5:1).  Directions: As addition to diet take

1-3 capsules per day with water or as a tea.

        Order from:

        The Ginseng Company

        Simi Valley, CA 93068



The blurb also says: siberian Ginseng has been scientifically tested in

Russian, then made famous by thier athletes and astronauts.  It is also

widely used throughout China.  Traditionally, the hard roots were cooked

for many hours so that the human body could assimilate and utilize the

active constituents.  We have made it easier for you by extracting the

Siberian Ginseng roots at a 5 to 1  concentration, the result being one

of the strongest, highest quality products available in capsules.  No

fillers or additives.  Do not take during pregnancy.  Keep out of reach

of children.  This company has been in existence since 1973 and they say

they guarantee satisfaction.



Joyce in Vermont



On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, Steven W. Liebrenz wrote:



> Greetings:

>

> I am looking for a standardized Siberian ginseng extract that is alcohol

> free and containing a high concentration of eleutherosides.  If anyone

> could help me source such a product, please advise.

>

> Happy Holidays,

> Steve

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:08:02 -0600

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Dawn Finney <finney@INDY.RADIOLOGY.UIOWA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: New Smudge Ingredients



 > I don't completely understand how smudges are made even with sage. No matter

> how dry they are they don't flame; they just smoke. I'd like to experiment

> with other fragrant plants to create the same effect. I suppose I could

> experiment with, say, mugwort, hops, catnip, roses, wildflowers, lemon balm,

> lavender, mint and other, similar plants. But I don't know how to make them

> smoke without burning. And, of course, I have no idea how any of those plants

> would smell once ignited.



I gathered some wild Colorado sage brush and made very tight bundles with it.

As leaves fell off I packed them back into the bundle and tied it with jute.

Any string will do but the tighter the smudge stick the better.  When I use it,

I light it then blow out the flame to get the burning embers and it smokes very

well.  I've used insence of cedar and juniper and these smell good, so

experimentation seems to be the best teacher for the other herbs as well.



Best Regards,



Dawn Finney



The Electric Differential Multimedia Lab

dawn-finney@uiowa.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:40:31 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: SAD; light therapy



THREE QUESTIONS:

(Q1) anyone see (maybe last year) that episode of Northern Exposure  in which

one of the characters was wearing one of those little hats w/built-in

lightbulbs that shine in your eyes as treatment for SAD? (Northern Exposure,

for those in the Global Village spared our TV sitcoms, is a TV philosocomedy

of life in a small & far- northern Alaskan village.)  Allegedly these hats

are available only by doctor's prescription because patients are assumed too

stupid to control the use of such a dangerous & complicated piece of

equipment without a doctor's on-going supervision (gimme a break!)  As the

story went, the hat could only be worn for a specifically limited time each

day or - watchout!  first you develop a sense of high well-being, then just

plain HIGH, gradually becoming delusionally paranoic if your light abuse

habit isn't controlled.

(Q2) is anyone familiar with the symptoms of excessive quantities of lead in

the body?

(Q3) ditto for copper

and if so, what herbs might be used to help bind & slide those metals out of

the body, perhaps along w/zinc & antioxidants?

TIA guys/gals

carras@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 08:07:24 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         edith mandlsohn <mandl@TRITON.ARK.COM>

Subject:      Re: HERB Digest - 3 Dec 1995 to 4 Dec 1995



>Date:    Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:07:35 +1100

>From:    Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

>Subject: Re: Winter Depression

>

>Why don't you come to Australia? It's the sunniest spot arround at the

>moment. About 35C today where I am, and not a cloud in the sky : -)

>MBTFG



I would love to live there, I also get the winter blues a lot, but

I would not know how to manage to get established. (The equivalent

of a green card.)

I hear there are a lot of very interresting herbs in Austrlia.

Can you metion some of your area? I hope others on the list would

be interrested in them too. What is the growing season like where you live?



It would be nice to hear from various parts of the world about

indigineous plants and conditions, about different ways people use

those plants and such.



I grew up in Austria and learned about herbs from my family there

and when I moved to Canada I learned all new uses for plants I

already knew. Sometimes I made the mistake to think that these where

different plant only to find out (by the lati name) that they are

old friends.



Anybody do any plant magic?



Please feel free to respond to this privately if you think it is of no

interrest to the list.



Blessings



Edith



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:47:43 IST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Root Account <root@FRLHT.ERNET.IN>

Subject:      tibetan medicine



Hello!

 I  need  the list of plants used use in Tibetan System of

Medicine. Can any one help me ?



 Kareem

 kareem@frlht.ernet.in

root@frlht.ernet.in



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:55:47 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Tamara N. Brown" <TomatoLoo@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hepatitis C



Milkthistle is an herb that is very good for Liver disease.  I work at an

acupuncturist who has treated many people with hepatitis with very good

results.  Over a period of 6 months with acupuncture and herb treatment one

woman's liver enzymes returned to normal at the great surprise of her western

doctors.  Several other people with hepatitis (B and C) have been treated at

the clinic with good results.  It is my understanding that milkthistle is one

of the only herbs with properties that actually rebuild Liver tissue. An herb

company named Karuna has a very good milkthistle and dandelion root product

called "Silymarin".  I dont know if you can order the herb directly from the

distributor, but perhaps they know someone in your area that has their

products.  Their # is 1 (800) 826-7225.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 6 Dec 1997 19:01:49 -0100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Hepatitis B



At 11:55 06.12.95 -0500, TomatoLoo@aol.com wrote:

>Milkthistle is an herb that is very good for Liver disease.  I work at an



Yup. If it's recent. Now a friend has had hepatitis b for 20 years (steady

for the last 10 years) and milkthistle only made him feel bad.



Any suggestions for that? He's a bit over 60 and otherwise in good shape.

He'll get dried dandelion root for x-mas. A lot of it.



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress          HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland.

                    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:23:57 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         edith mandlsohn <mandl@TRITON.ARK.COM>

Subject:      Re: HERB Digest - 4 Dec 1995 to 5 Dec 1995



Paul wrote:



>Laxation depletes digestive Qi. You can take that as an axiom.



So what can you do to increase digestive Qi in a way so it will not upset

the balance of the rest.



Thanks



Edith



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:08:25 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: essential oils vs extracts?

In-Reply-To:  <v01530506acea067c9fa0@[199.2.194.107]>



Hey all, Dorren from Austrailias definition of the difference between

extracts, fluid extracts and tinctures was accurate, however in the U.S.

I know there are tincture makers who use the term fluid extract for their

tinctures. Why? Response to rumors(perhaps true) as to what terms are red

flagging the FDA that particular year. Just to make it all more confusing.

      Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 10:19:55 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Valeriana\valium

In-Reply-To:  <m0tMwYZ-0001BfC@golden.ripco.com>



Re the name valium and its realtion to the name libruim.

For some wierd reason I actually remember reading an artcle in the

newspaper on the new drug valium, There was a quote from the inventer

basically saying he had been trying to invent something similar to

Librium only better. He went on for a paragraph or so about comparing the

various sensations and effects, and concluded that yes Valium was

"nicer".  Anyway thought I'd throw that in. Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:12:48 PST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      strange sleeping stomach noise disorder



Hello all,



        Here is an odd one buy my friend wanted me to ask this one for her.

She has this strange gurgling or ??? noise her stomach makes through out the

night with no discomfort or anything, its just there.  She wanted to know if

there is any herbal drink that can be administered before sleep to prevent this

and what causes such noises?



Thankyou,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:33:29 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Cunegonde@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: The heartbreak of amorphous sperm



v-twill@MICROSOFT.COM (Theresa Williams - Echo News) writes:



>Do any of you know what the difference is between >taper-shaped and

oval-shaped sperm?



Aerodynamics?



> . . . any ideas on how to holistically/herbally encourage the >production

of oval shaped sperm.



Practice, practice, practice.



Also, if Ed's deodorant project works out, maybe no one will notice the

difference.



One acquaintance of mine became so desperate that he went on an exclusive

diet of oysters smothered in aconite sauce, but that didn't help at all.



According to a recent article in *Urology Today* sperm need regular exercise.

 The article recommended swimming.



Preferably upstream.



/cunegonde



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:56:13 +0100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Sergio Corriero <bep0075@COMUNE.BOLOGNA.IT>

Subject:      Re: tibetan medicine



>Reply-to:      kareem@frlht.ernet.in

>Hello!

> I  need  the list of plants used use in Tibetan System of

>Medicine. Can any one help me ?

>

> Kareem



I think you'd try to write to Men- Tsee- Khang,

or Tibetan Medical and Astrological Institute,

Gangchen Kyishong

Dharamsala - 176215 India.



It's the Institute of the Tibetan Government in exile, in Himachal Pradesh,

India.

They deliver books on Tibetan Medicine and Astrology, a Quarterly Newsletter

and they do Courses and Conferences in Tibetan Medicine and Astrology.



Another way is writing to the

Kunpen Lama Gangchen,

Institute for the Propagation of the Tibetan Medical Tradition

via Marco Polo 13

20124 Milano Italy.



They have also a fax number.

Let me know if can be useful.



--Sergio Corriero, Bologna, Italy--

e-mail: bep0075@iperbole.bologna.it



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 00:09:46 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Roger Bastin <bastinkk@CUCI.NL>

Subject:      Re: New Smudge Ingredients



When at night I can't work in the herbgarden making new plants and planting

new beds  I read the mail from this and other lists.  I have a small

specialised nursery that grows fresh-cut herbs for classy restaurants and

herb-plants for garden-lovers here in the Netherlands and Belgium. We have

a large herb collection and I am proud Salvia apiana, the original smudge

sage, makes part of this collection. Salvia apiana is a fleshy gray green

plant with a strong scent, slightly eucalyptus.



Smudge sticks are quite rare and expensive ($10 a piece) here but I

occasionally meet people that use them. These people are very anxious to

buy Salvia apiana and grow their own smudge-sticks. The demand has been so

that I wasn't even able to build up a proper stock in the past year. But

Salvia apiana is not the only ingredient is it?



Can anybody name other original ingredients or give more info/plantlore

about Salvia apiana? I'm not looking for alternative new ingredients  I'm

still getting aquainted to the original!



What strikes me is that I also got a sage from africa with the information

that has been used in a way simmilar to Salvia apiana. The African smudge

sage is called Salvia repens var repens. does anybody have more information

about this plant? I don't find it in reference books. I have the idea that

it came from South Africa. It seems hardy here in zone 8.



I send this message again for the second time and have never before seen my

messages on the list, whats wrong?



Roger Bastin

Kruidenkwekerij

V.O.F. Roger & Linda Bastin

Kruiden, Geurplanten en bijzondere tuinplanten

Trichterweg 148a, 6446 AT Brunssum, Nederland, Tel.: **31-45-5231475



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:10:01 -0500

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Aconite Toxicology (Lancet)



Paul wrote:  >...hardly a condemnation of this herb's use

>for tonification regimes. Indeed, this herb is one of the few >that can be

considered a 'tonic.' It is indeed used to revitalize >and 'tone' the heart

 muscle.



I'd very much appreciate knowing which of the Aconites you are referring to

in the statement above?  Cured or uncured.  What would be the dosage for use

as a longterm tonic.

Thanks much

carras@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:29:47 -0500

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From:         "Richie R." <richier@INTREPID.NET>

Subject:      Re: diabetes, aspartame



...Does anyone know how effective this is?  how many kids may be adversely

affected by aspartane?  How solid the research is?  Any other solutions to lower

ketones and glucose?



>Thanks, Deborah



No, not right now for other solutions to lower ketones and glucoses. You

might want to consult you doctor for other alternative or even find the

effects of aspartane on children and see what they think.  Be wise in your

judgements as well when asking.  Hope you find out.



-Richie R.

richier@intrepid.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:45:47 PST

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From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      bubbling bath salts?



Hello all,



        Got another quick question, I came across this product which was

fragrant bath salts with powerderd bubble bath mix in it.  My question is,

anyone know of a product, or how to make a natural product, on the public

market like drug stores/supermarkets that sells dry suds that I can add to my

salt mixes to make it also a bubble bath.



Thankyou for all your help,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:59:21 +1100

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From:         list Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: essential oils vs extracts?



>Hello all,

>

>        I understand what essential oils are and the processes to attain them,

>what ponders me sometimes is the not so common "extracts" of certain plants

>listed in the ingredients of some products.  what is considered an extract that

>is different from the extracted essential oils?  Do they use similar extraction

>processes or not?



How long is a piece of string?

 It depends a little on who "they" are. I would think the extracts listed

on many if not most cosmetic products would be what we call in Australia  a

bit "Mickey Mouse". Have ago at making an extract with some alcohol as solvent

and an essential oil on the stove and then the differece becomes more apparent

MBTFG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:59:12 +1100

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From:         list Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: essential oils vs extracts?



>>Hello all,

>>

>>        I understand what essential oils are and the processes to attain them,

>>what ponders me sometimes is the not so common "extracts" of certain plants

>>listed in the ingredients of some products.  what is considered an extract

>>that

>>is different from the extracted essential oils?  Do they use similar

>>extraction

>>processes or not?

>>

>>Thankyou,

>>

>>Edward Bennett

>>ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu

>

>Extracts are usually refering to Fluid Extracts -

One would hope so but many manufacturers also make "extracts" to sell on to

cosmetic manufacturers so they can "make claims" eg Chamomile will make

your hair beautiful etc. No one is really interested in anything active-

the producer or the user -but they do make for nice labels and TV ads.

Have a look at your next shampoo bottle ingredients.



>Essential oils can be extracted by distillation,water or steam.

also pressing as in orange oil etc.

Solvents are increasingly being used especially in high pressure extraction

 Absolutes

>are essential oils that have been extracted by a solvent method usually

>hexane.



They are really, strictly speaking, not essential oils but mixtures of oil

and flower-fat. Fat is extracted and solvent usually added



The solvent is vacuum extracted out.  Some plants yeild their oil

>to steam others need to be extracted with a solvent.  So the process to

>produce an essential oil is not the same as producing extracts.



In the end we might be best off with EUP or BP definitions.though they

leave a lot to be desired too. We could, of course, just use the green,

growing  herb but that might be too easy?:-)

Where would you place St john's Wort Oil? an extract, infused oil or

essential oil, or all three?



Michael Bailes.

 The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772

Telephone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322  E-Mail:

frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

"But you also have plants that are good only to eat?" I asked.

"Ah my hungry young colt, there are no plants good for food that are not

good for treating the body, too, provided they are taken in the right

quantity. Only excess makes them cause illness.  .."

Umberto Eco ,The Name of the Rose



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:59:17 +1100

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From:         list Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Incense distibutor?



>>Hello,

>>

>>        Any one want to email me the address to a company that has a retail

>>catalog for selling unscented incense cones and sticks?

>>

>>Thankyou,

>>

>>Edward Bennett

>>ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu

>

We occasionally (four -5 times ayear) get some sticks in from china but

usually sell them scented.



Michael Bailes.

frgntgar@ozemail.com.au



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:58:45 +1100

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From:         list Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Winter Depression



>Adam,

>

>I have always wanted to go downunder, the Auzzies and the Kiwis I met in

>England have a wonderful sense of humor,

Its abit quirkey. Some find it hard to understand

and I kind of feel that the

>pioneering spirit America once had is still alive down there.

Maybe once we shoot fewer people than you do

>I have also heard that the ozone layer hole is now larger than the US.

Actually over the antartic not Australia

>What herbals can you use to foil the Sun's rays.  I have also heard that

>skin cancer rates have soared.  What recommendations are made for this?

We wear hats.

I noticed an article in the paper a while ago about an Australian Mom was

tring to convince the Californian school authorities to let her kids wear

hats without much success. We found this report most strange. All kids wear

hats. Most of the damage from sun has been done with our older people who

were not aware of the risks. You still get people sunbaking on the beach

too.

MBTFG



Michael Bailes.

frgntgar@ozemail.com.au



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 03:03:58 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: strange sleeping stomach noise disorder

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <0099A765.01288AA0.133@dhvx20.csudh.edu> on 12/6/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hello all,

:

:         Here is an odd one buy my friend wanted me to ask this one for her.

: She has this strange gurgling or ??? noise her stomach makes through out

the

: night with no discomfort or anything, its just there.  She wanted to know if

: there is any herbal drink that can be administered before sleep to

: prevent this and what causes such noises?



These are called borborigmi. They are usually the result of improper diet or

chronically weak digestion. She can try some fennel tea after dinner.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 03:01:53 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      How to Boost Digestive Qi, was Re(2): HERB Digest

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <199512061723.JAA00465@triton.ark.com> on 12/6/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Paul wrote:

:

: >Laxation depletes digestive Qi. You can take that as an axiom.

:

: So what can you do to increase digestive Qi in a way so it will not upset

: the balance of the rest.



Of course, the reverse of the coin. How thoughtless of me:



Eat warm, nourishing, relatively low-fat meals. Don't eat desserts within an

hour of meals, or regularly. Don't skip or delay meals. Don't read or watch

tv while eating. Don't drink coffee or other caffenated drinks on a regular

basis. Get plenty of rest and mild to moderate exercise daily. Try to worry

less, and try to make contact with the earth on a regular basis (hiking and

gardening are excellent).



That should pretty much do it.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:42:32 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: aloe juice vs aloe gel



In a message dated 95-12-04 19:57:11 EST, you write:



> I want to add fresh aloe juice (juiced from a juicer) to my soaps I

>will be making and wanted to know (since someone mentioned before that aloe

>juice contained sugars that would ferment over time) would I need to add a

>natural preservative like citric acid(or please recommend one) to the juice

>before adding it to the soap mix to prolong the life of the soap or not?

>        Is there any good chemical properties left in the pulp fibers left from

>juicing the aloe leaves that would useful when added to the soap mix or would

>it just be a ordinary scrubbing additive?



When making aloe juice, the leaf particles are usually strained off, and

vitamin C powder added to help preserve it.  I'm not sure just how much you

should add to maintain the juice though...I know it's 500 units per cup of

the gel, but that may be too much for the juice.  In soapmaking, it's really

the juice that provides the benefit; the leaf bits are too soft to provide a

scrubbing action.  Also, if using the juice, cut back on the amount of water

used (or actually, you could eliminate the water altogether) in your basic

recipe for bar soap.  The same would apply to making liquid soap, and

shampoos.



>>I went to a health food store today, and they were selling pure aloe

vera gel and pure aloe vera juice(that was distilled from the leaves it

said).

which would be more useful in an additive to soaps and related products for

external use?>>



I use essential oils in soaps, so I've never tried adding aloe gel...I prefer

to use the gel "as is" as a skin lotion. But, it's an interesting idea, since

aloe (the gel anyway) contains a natural ph that's just right for our

skin...between 4 and 6.  I would imagine the gel's consistency could be

manipulated, but the juice would be much more workable when making soaps.

 The gel can be blended with oils and pectin to make facial gels, and body

lotions.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:42:33 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: underarm and body deoderant



In a message dated 95-12-04 20:03:32 EST, you write:



>Does anyone here know how to or has made clear stick or a non-greasy

>dry cream underarm or body deodorant that can be scented, using natural

>substances?



I can tell you how to make a deodorant cream:



1/2 oz. cocoa butter

1/2 oz. beeswax

1 tbs. glycerine

1 tbs. rosewater



The cocoa butter and beeswax are slowly melted in a double boiler.  Remove

from heat and add the glycerine and rosewater.  Now add several drops (let

your nose as your guide) of one or more of the following esssential oils with

deodorizing action: calendula, sage, rosemary, coriander, eucalyptus,

lavender, thyme, lemon.  Herbal creams tend separate a bit, so it may need a

stir before use.



As for the stick form...hmm.  If you look at the ingredients of natural stick

deodorants, you'll find paraffin listed there.  You could try melting

paraffin and stearin together (sounds like making a candle, but essenially,

you are!) with a bit of cocoa butter (or you could use a small amount of oil,

such as almond, or jojoba.)  Add some talc, and herbal oils, and mold just

like you would a candle, or bar of soap.  I guess you'll have to be inventive

when storing/applying it.  I mean unless you can fashion a container similar

to the ones stick deodorants are sold in, it could get messy.  Here's an

idea:  try pouring this mixture into an empty container and use it as your

mold (spray or wipe the inside with an oil first, to help the stick pull away

from the sides of the container...otherwise you'll probably get too much

resistance when trying to push the stick up as it's being used.)



Another ingredient listed as "active" is aluminum zirconium

tetrachlorohydrex.  I've no idea what this is, but I suspect it acts as an

anti-perspirant rather than a deodorant. I'll also bet you can get it from a

pharmacy.



If you try making the stick form, let us know how it turns out!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:16:47 +0600

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From:         Naa Koshia Mills <NMILLS@LAB.NEWMAN.K12.LA.US>

Organization: Isidore Newman School

Subject:      Re: New Smudge Ingredients



Hi. Ijust signed on to this list very recently...

this summer I went to New Mexico and sage grew everywhere, like

weeds...

I bundled it up and dried it and this is what I use to smudge...

It was that silvery green color I supposse sage ought to be, but Im

wondering what kind specifically it is

or how different types of sage react in different ways.

( as you might have guesssed Ihave no experience in identifying

plants...)

Any Ideas?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:31:35 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Re: New Smudge Ingredients - Reply



<< To see the message you have to send yourself a copy (CC).



>>> Roger Bastin <bastinkk@CUCI.NL> 12/07 2:09 am >>>

When at night I can't work in the herbgarden making new plants and planting

new beds  I read the mail from this and other lists.  I have a small specialised

nursery that grows fresh-cut herbs for classy restaurants and herb-plants

for garden-lovers here in the Netherlands and Belgium. We have a large

herb collection and I am proud Salvia apiana, the original smudge sage,

makes part of this collection. Salvia apiana is a fleshy gray green plant

with a strong scent, slightly eucalyptus.



Smudge sticks are quite rare and expensive ($10 a piece) here but I occasionally

meet people that use them. These people are very anxious to buy Salvia

apiana and grow their own smudge-sticks. The demand has been so that I

wasn't even able to build up a proper stock in the past year. But

Salvia apiana is not the only ingredient is it?



Can anybody name other original ingredients or give more info/plantlore

about Salvia apiana? I'm not looking for alternative new ingredients  I'm

still getting aquainted to the original!



What strikes me is that I also got a sage from africa with the information

that has been used in a way simmilar to Salvia apiana. The African smudge

sage is called Salvia repens var repens. does anybody have more information

about this plant? I don't find it in reference books. I have the idea that

it came from South Africa. It seems hardy here in zone 8.



I send this message again for the second time and have never before seen

my messages on the list, whats wrong?



Roger Bastin

Kruidenkwekerij

V.O.F. Roger & Linda Bastin

Kruiden, Geurplanten en bijzondere tuinplanten

Trichterweg 148a, 6446 AT Brunssum, Nederland, Tel.: **31-45-5231475



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      FREE GARDEN CATALOGS



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:01:37 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Aconite Toxicology (Lancet)

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951206201000_65904970@emout04.mail.aol.com> on 12/6/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Paul wrote:  >...hardly a condemnation of this herb's use

: >for tonification regimes. Indeed, this herb is one of the few >that can be

: considered a 'tonic.' It is indeed used to revitalize >and 'tone' the heart

:  muscle.

:

: I'd very much appreciate knowing which of the Aconites you are referring to

: in the statement above?  Cured or uncured.  What would be the dosage for

use

: as a longterm tonic.

: Thanks much

: carras@aol.com



The ONLY aconite preparation I've been endorsing is:



Fu zi (long-steamed A. carmichaeli)



IN TRADITIONAL FORMULA, PREPARED BY SKILLED HI-TECH COMPANIES



As appropriate to the patient, after East-Asian traditional healing

diagnosis, NOT for 'heart problems' or some such keynote, AND not for

arthritis.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:39:19 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      re fluid extracts



 Dorene wrote

>Extracts are usually refering to Fluid Extracts - botanical material is

>soaked in a solvent, usually alcohol, filtered off then the alcohol is

>distilled or vacuum extracted out of the mixture.  A Fluid Extract should

>not contain alcohol.  A tincture on the other hand is the botanical

>material soaked in alcohol, strained but the alchohol is not removed.

>Tinctures do contain alcohol.  Fluid extracts are stronger than a tincture.



Not quite right  actually. In the UK medical herbalist tradition,

an FE is defined as a 1:1 preparation, ie one part (volume) of the

FE is equivalent to one part by weight of the original herb. This is a

definition in herbal pharmacy that is pretty invariable - what does

vary  widely is the MEANS of producing a Fluid Extract.

However, most  FE's DO contain alcohol, like tinctures, since

 this is the primary vehicle for the original extraction.



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:44:08 -0500

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From:         Reiner Grabreck <ht153@HOMETOWN.ON.CA>

Subject:      Re: Aconite Toxicology (Lancet)

In-Reply-To:  <951206201000_65904970@emout04.mail.aol.com>



On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Claudette A. Aras wrote:



> Paul wrote:  >...hardly a condemnation of this herb's use

> >for tonification regimes. Indeed, this herb is one of the few >that can be

> considered a 'tonic.' It is indeed used to revitalize >and 'tone' the heart

>  muscle.

>

> I'd very much appreciate knowing which of the Aconites you are referring to

> in the statement above?  Cured or uncured.  What would be the dosage for use

> as a longterm tonic.

> Thanks much

> carras@aol.com

>

I use aconite tincture for heart palpitations and tachycardia

the dose is 1 drop 3 x day but have gone up to 6 if severe needed.

CAUTION it is very toxic. do know what you are doing

Reiner Grabreck

ht153@hometown.on.ca



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:34:25 -0800

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From:         Susan Battle <sbattle@AGORA.RDROP.COM>

Subject:      Re: bubbling bath salts? (fwd)



>         Got another quick question, I came across this product which was

> fragrant bath salts with powerderd bubble bath mix in it.  My question is,

> anyone know of a product, or how to make a natural product, on the public

> market like drug stores/supermarkets that sells dry suds that I can add to my

> salt mixes to make it also a bubble bath.



I haven't tried this, but in one book I read recently, mild soaps were

recommended. Like Trend and probably Ivory Snow. What you'll want to be

sure is that the powder is soap, not detergent (they supposedly work in

opposition to each other.



I've been making soap recently, and I have added both fresh cucumber and

fresh comfrey to 2 different batches. It's recommended to add some

preservative. I've been adding vitamin E. Other recommendati ons are

vitamin A and also grapefruit seed exract. I haven't tried these. My

soaps are great now, but I don't have any idea about how long they will last.



What are you using in your bath salts? I've just made some with salt,

baking soda, epson salt, dry milk powder and some scent. I did add some

crushed flowers, but they just float around and would probably clog the

drain if used regularly.



Did you read my post about stick deodorant? I never saw it in my

messages, so I don't know if it made it.



It sounds like we're working on many of the same things. I'd love to know

your recipes, and will be glad to help you if I can.



Susan

sbattle@agora.rdrop.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:03:21 PST

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From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      Re: aloe juice vs aloe gel



Hello all,



        Thankyou Karyn, great insight and info.

        Okay, this should be the finishing question on the matter.  This is

about adding oils/nutrients/aloe/ and other liquids and powders to a remelted

premade soap batch.  Is there a rough estimate of the maximum extra ingredients

that you can add to a grated-pre-made-melted soap so that the end soap when

solidified will have almost the same consitency as the original hard bar of

soap(excluding normal effects of certain oils that make up a softer bar of

soap), a percentage, like x volume of soap vs x volume of lets say aloe juice

, so like 80% soap with 20 % aloe juice, just a rough idea to start me off so I

don't experiment wildly would be appreciated thankyou.  And/or is there a dry

chemical that can be added to prevent the softening of the bar of soap once

these extra liquids are added to the mass?

Any insight would greatly help me understand the process behind this.



Thankyou for all your help,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:12:51 PST

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From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      Re: underarm and body deoderant



Hello all,



        Well, lots of people have listed talc powder as an ingredient in a body

and underarm stick/cream.  One person has listed that the read somewhere that

talc can be bad and irritating to people.  I do not know that this is true or

not fully, I do know that some people have a reaction to talc so don't use

products containing it.  Does anyone know of a natural product that would be a

good substitute for talc powder?



Thankyou,



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:14:32 -0500

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      More aconite



Hello Aconite Conference:  finding the recent Aconite discussion of great

interest, I sent excerpts of it to a shaman friend whose wife was made

deathly ill some years ago after being served a salad into which Aconite

leaves were mixed by some dangerously uninformed herb-dabbling bimboperson.

 His response (he's biased against Aconite since The Salad incident) which

raises a few more questions in my mind, follows.  I'd appreciate any comments

from our resident experts:

> I'm wondering, does anyone mention Aconite's a cumulative >neurotoxin? That

is - the stored metabolite component of all >previous you've ever taken are

to be figured into what you >experience from any later dose - you develop a

sensitivity. >But there is also something else...  I seem to remember it to

>be something that acts almost like a leukemia, with >abnormality in the

white cells.  I'm sorry - I neither >remember where I learned this about

Aconite, or why I know >it, or where/how the metabolite is stored - though I

do know- >it is a metabolite that is stored, and not the assayed 'active

>ingredient' of the plant. It's maybe metallic?  So maybe we're >talking

about bones here and possibly it affects something >about red-cell

production? In other words - the cumulative >effect is not that of the

immediate poisoning in either >severity or kind, rather - it's insidious and

debilitating.



TIA   carras@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 19:50:49 -0800

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From:         The Doctor {Who?} <doctor@NETCOM.COM>

Organization: Who says I have to be organized!?!

Subject:      Herbs for Cluster/Migrane Headaches?

Comments: To: Headache List <Headache@SHSU.edu>



My father suffers alot from one of the (if not the most) sever forms of

migrane headaches...  Known as "Cluster" headaches, the general focus of

these appears/feels to be behind one eye or the other, rather than

elsewhere.



I'd like to find out any experiences anyone has with herbs or other "home

remedies" on the matter, esp. with what dosage factors & preparation seem

to be effective in taking Feverfew (or, for that matter, if this herb has

little effect on Cluster type headaches).



I've also read on the use of Capsicum, and wonder if any of you have exp.

with that and clusters, too.



BTW, do me a favor and "group reply" ("g" in Elm) if you can, so I get it

personally and not JUST in my folder for this list.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 7 Dec 1995 23:16:00 PST

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From:         Jo <Alan_Grout@SUNSHINE.NET>



Would anyone have any suggestions on how to add an herbal scent to corn

starch? I'm trying to make a baby powder using corn starch as the base. Thanks.

Jo



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:12:07 PST

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From:         Karl Hancock <karlhank@XMISSION.COM>

Subject:      Tomato Sauce, lycopene and Prostate cancer



>From the Wall Street Journal, Dec. 6, page B5:



Compound Found in Tomato May Help Prevent Cancer, Harvard Study Indicates



Abstract:

Harvard medical researchers, in a big, six-year study examining men's diets and prostate-cancer incidence, found

that tomato sauce consumption was most strongly associated with lower prostate cancer risk, followed by tomatoes

and pizza.

Researcher's believe a vitamin-like compund called lycopene, which gives tomatoes their red color, provides the

protective effect against prostate cancer.  Lycopene belongs to the carotenoid family, which includes the

better-known beta-carotene.

The lycopene in tomato juice apparently isn't well absorbed by the body, the researchers said.  But cooking the

tomato juice in oil releases the compound and greatly increases its intestinal absorption.  Tomato sauce is made

from tomatoes cooked in oil.

The study is published this week in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute.



I thought this was an interesting study and conclusion.



Karl

Nature's Source

http://www.xmission.com/~natures



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:33:34 -0500

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From:         PhIPNewsl@AOL.COM

Subject:      Herbal Medicine (PHIP)



The following short article was presented in the Pharmacist's Information

Project (PHIP) Newsletter (a free monthly electronic newsletter) in the

December 4th issue. There are some useful pieces of information and some good

references.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

HOW HERBAL REMEDIES ARE BEING USED FOR IMPROVED HEALTH



        In recent years, herbs have had a huge revival of interest in our society,

as seen by the increasing range of herb teas, the growing number of

health-food stores and organic foods.  However at the same time, it is often

the case that the medical community is not aware of the uses, or not willing

to risk making any claims, in regard to the herbal remedies being used by the

general public and sold on grocery store and pharmacy shelves.

        While some practitioners of conventional medicine consider herbal medicine

as quackery, most simply take the stance of the unfamiliar. Occasionally,

this lack of knowledge leads to a communication gap between the patient and

the healthcare provider. So, it seemed good to list a few of the most popular

herbs and the most common uses for them. (And by the way, I hope no one is

just using them "as a daily dietary supplement", as printed on many of the

labels, as this is typically the least appropriate use of herbs).



Echinacea - used to strengthen the immune system, and is used for nearly

every kind of inflammation and infection, often in combination with the herb

Golden Seal Root.



Golden Seal Root - used as a long standing cure-all, antibiotic, popular in

combination with Echinacea in treating coughs, colds, etc.



Lobelia - used as a relaxant, a bronchodilator, (may cause vomiting with

large doses); may help clear mucous congestion with asthma. It is also used

in combination with Skunk Cabbage and other herbs as an antispasmodic.



Saw Palmetto berry (Serenoa Surrulata) - anecdotally reported to prevent and

reduce prostate problems (i.e. benign prostatic hypertrophy).  Also used in

combination with Nettle Root, Pipsissewa Leaf, Cleavers Herb and Thuja Leaf.



Valerian Root - used as a nerve tonic, but also used to clear mucous blockage

due to colds.  Used with Passion flower, Chamomile flower, Catnip leaf and

flower, and Hops strobile with lupulin resin for  non-narcotic sedative.



        Responsible use involves seeking reliable information. Dr. Varro Tyler of

Purdue University has written two books on botanicals:  "The Honest Herbal"

and "Herbs of Choice". Ed Smith has a revised manual of 47 compounds with

detailed compounding and dosages, "Therapeutic Herb Manual". William McGrath,

B.A., N.D., a lecturer in herbal and nutritional therapy, has an even more

abbreviated booklet, "Common Herbs for Common Illnesses", giving a brief

history, definitions and simply listing categories of illnesses and

corresponding herbs and brief general preparation of teas, ointments,

plasters, syrups, tinctures, etc.

        A good health-food store will have several books to continue your education.

Not that we should all become herbalists, but we all need to be aware that

some people refuse to use conventional pharmacies and doctors and use only

herbs extensively -- an interesting challenge to healthcare providers in

every field.



Christina Lou R.N.

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(c) Copyright 1995 Pharmacist's Information Project. All rights reserved.

This short portion was originally published in the Pharmacist's Information

Project, a free monthly newsletter distributed via Internet e-mail. To

subscribe, send an e-mail message to PhipNewsl@aol.com with a subject line

including PHIP ADD ME.



Faron Moore RPh

Editor in Chief - Pharmacist's Information Project Newsletter

Fax/Voice-Mail (405) 692-7593

http://home.aol.com/PhipNewsl

ftp://members.aol.com:/PhipNewsl/



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 8 Dec 1995 21:20:50 -0700

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From:         Roger Bastin <bastinkk@CUCI.NL>

Subject:      Re: New Smudge Ingredients



>  I grow some too, in my home garden, Salvia officinalis, and use

>it in many ways, other than for smudges.  I am curious about the differences

>between the various Salvia species.



There are a lot of differences between the Salvia's in our collection (see

the listing below). In fact there are to many to describe in a short email.

Maybe later I'll describe some of the varieties if you and others want me

to. The other night I mailed a comparative description of 27 basils to

another list. Now I want some time for the family.



As you can see there are allready 11 different  S. officinalis's although

some are more different than others.



My kitchen favourites are: "Salvia lavandulifolia" and "Salvia officinalis

'Grethe Stolze" wich are very simmilar. They have an extra strong and warm

scent with a hinch of eucalyptus. very good edible flowers are; "Salvia

rutilans", "Salvia rutilans 'Honey Dew Melon'" and "Salvia rutilans

'Tangerine'", pinaple-sage. Yes they have a strong pinaple-scent.



"Salvia aethiopicum"

"Salvia aethiopis"

"Salvia africana-lutea/S. aurea"

"Salvia amplexicaulis"

"Salvia apiana"

"Salvia argentea"

"Salvia azurea"

"Salvia bulleyana"

"Salvia cacaliifolia"

"Salvia candelabrum"

"Salvia caucasica"

"Salvia clevelandii"

"Salvia columbariae"

"Salvia concolor"

"Salvia confertiflora"

"Salvia discolor "

"Salvia farinacea 'Victoria'"

"Salvia forskaohlei"

"Salvia fruticosa"

"Salvia glutinosa"

"Salvia greggii"

"Salvia guaranitica"

"Salvia guaranitica 'Blue Enigma'"

"Salvia hians"

"Salvia involucrata 'Bethelii'  "

"Salvia juricii"

"Salvia lavandulifolia"

"Salvia leucantha"

"Salvia lyrata"

"Salvia mereti"

"Salvia microphylla var. neurepia"

"Salvia multicaulis"

"Salvia nemerosa 'Blaukonigin'/S. x superba 'Blaukonigin'"

"Salvia nemerosa ssp. tesquicola"

"Salvia officinalis"

"Salvia officinalis 'Albiflora'"

"Salvia officinalis 'Berggarten'"

"Salvia officinalis 'Grethe Stolze"

"Salvia officinalis 'Icterina'"

"Salvia officinalis 'Kew Gold' S.o. 'Aurea'"

"Salvia officinalis ' Purperascens'"

"Salvia officinalis 'Rosea'"

"Salvia officinalis ssp. minor var albiflora f. albiflora"

"Salvia officinalis ssp. minor var albiflora f. minor"

"Salvia officinalis 'Tricolor'"

"Salvia patens 'Alba'"

"Salvia patens 'Cambridge Blue'"

"Salvia patens 'Oxford Blue'"

"Salvia pratensis"

"Salvia pratensis 'Indigo'"

"Salvia pratensis/S. bertolonii"

"Salvia pratensis var. bertolonii"

"Salvia pratensis var heamatodes"

"Salvia przewalskii"

"Salvia regeliana"

"Salvia repens v. repens"

"Salvia ringens"

"Salvia riparia/(S. viscosa)"

"Salvia rutilans"

"Salvia rutilans 'Honey Dew Melon'"

"Salvia rutilans 'Tangerine'"

"Salvia scabiosifolia"

"Salvia sclarea"

"Salvia sclarea c.v."

"Salvia sclarea var. turkestanica"

"Salvia staminea/S. transcaucasica)"

"Salvia taraxacifolia"

"Salvia tillifolia"

"Salvia transylvanica"

"Salvia triloba"

"Salvia uliginosa"

"Salvia verbenacea"

"Salvia verticilata"

"Salvia verticilata 'Alba'"

"Salvia verticilata 'Purple Rain'"

"Salvia virgata 'Alba'"

"Salvia viridis 'Blue Bird'"



Roger Bastin

Kruidenkwekerij

V.O.F. Roger & Linda Bastin

Kruiden, Geurplanten en bijzondere tuinplanten

Trichterweg 148a, 6446 AT Brunssum, Nederland, Tel.: **31-45-5231475,

Email; bastinkk@cuci.nl



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:58:48 -0600

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From:         Paula Pilgrim <ppilgrim@SUNFLOWR.USD.EDU>

Subject:      N.D.  What course of study??

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%95112600351270@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



I am to speak to a college class on Monday afternoon

about what kinds of things people w/ herb training Can do.  HELP!!  It's

a SMALL town in a Rural State.  I would like to *Gently* introduce them

to alternative health care, w/o freaking them out.  These folks are

Mostly (not all) a very conservative bunch.  I plan to mention a few

things they've heard of (Chiropractic, Massage Therepy...etc....) &

remind them that their grandparents probably used a LOT of herbals, way

back when.  I would like to tell them about Naturopathic Doctors (Like

Michael Tierra & the like), but I want to be prepared w/ what kind of

schooling the N.D. needs.      There-- I finally spit it out----.



Thanks again

Paula L. High_Pilgrim

ppilgrim@sunflowr.usd.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:13:12 -0500

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From:         Patricia Harper <IgorBladox@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Traditional Smudging herb



The only other "authentic" smudging herb I've seen used by native americans

(I am Chippewa, not a smudge using group per se,  but have friends from many

tribes) is artemesia tridentata.  This plant, commonly called sagebrush, is

also probably the plant one listmember reported wildcrafting in New Mexico.

It is not a true sage and has a somewhat sweeter smelling smoke than white

sage.



Patricia Harper

Herbalist

email: igorbladox@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 8 Dec 1995 21:00:00 PST

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From:         Bim Miles <bim@ORCALINK.COM>

Subject:      Alternative treatments for MS



I have just been disgnosed with multiple sclerosis.  So far it is very mild,

so "drug" treatment does not really interest me.   I am curious if anyone

has information about alternative treatments for the management of MS.  I'm

especially interested in personal experiences, both from the user's

standpoint and the treatment provider.



Any help would be greatly appreciated!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 8 Dec 1995 22:43:00 PST

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From:         Joan <Alan_Grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

Subject:      Talc



Talc is soapstone, and, not good, in that if inhaled it just sits in the lungs.

Jo



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 9 Dec 1995 05:19:40 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: More aconite

Comments: To: Paul_Iannone@pop.com



In message ID <951207210700_47743360@emout06.mail.aol.com> on 12/7/95,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: > I'm wondering, does anyone mention Aconite's a cumulative

: >neurotoxin? That is - the stored metabolite component of all

: >previous you've ever taken are to be figured into what you

: >experience from any later dose - you develop a sensitivity. >But

: there is also something else...  I seem to remember it to >be

: something that acts almost like a leukemia, with >abnormality in the

: white cells.  I'm sorry - I neither >remember where I learned this

: about Aconite, or why I know >it, or where/how the metabolite is

: stored - though I do know- >it is a metabolite that is stored, and

: not the assayed 'active >ingredient' of the plant. It's maybe

: metallic?  So maybe we're >talking about bones here and possibly it

: affects something >about red-cell production? In other words - the

: cumulative >effect is not that of the immediate poisoning in either

: >severity or kind, rather - it's insidious and debilitating.



None of my references refer to this at all. I believe this to be in error.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:36:58 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Medicine (PHIP)



At 12:33 08.12.95 -0500, PhIPNewsl@aol.com wrote:



>Responsible use involves seeking reliable information. Dr. Varro Tyler of

>Purdue University has written two books on botanicals:  "The Honest Herbal"

>and "Herbs of Choice".



Forget about these. Go get some GOOD books instead.



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress          HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland.

                    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 9 Dec 1995 10:48:34 IST

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From:         Root Account <root@FRLHT.ERNET.IN>

Subject:      Oesophagial Cancer



Dear Herbalists,

Is there any known herbal remedy for Oesophagial Cancer ? What may be

the necessary precautions after Radiation & Chemotherapy ?



TIA

Unnikrishnan



root@frlht.ernet.in



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 9 Dec 1995 14:02:09 GMT

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From:         lettitia1@ALPHA1.MDX.AC.UK

Subject:      projects: crohns/menstrual disorders



Hello,

I`m not subscribed to this list, so please excuse me if these topics have been

discussed recently.

        These projects are part of the herbal medicine degree I am doing, the

Crohns is our coursework for a clinical science module, the menstrual disorders

is for a pharmacology one. For both I would like to know which treatments people

have found helpful, I am concentrating on lack of periods and scanty periods

for menstrual disorders.

        I would also like to have a holistic way of understanding these problemsin terms of energy levels, symbolism etc.

        If anyone has any experiences with these that they would like to share,

or any articles, books etc that sound interesting, please let me know.

        Thanks,

        Lettitia

        e-mail: Smtp%"lettitia1@midx.ac.uk"



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:47:15 -0500

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From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      tibetan medicine



Kareem <kareem@FRLHT.ERNET.IN> writes:



>  I  need  the list of plants used use in Tibetan System of

> Medicine. Can any one help me ?



Some titles on my bookshelf that may help you compile your list:



1. Clark, Barry 1995.  The Quintessence Tantras of Tibetan Medicine.

   Ithaca, New York: Snow Lion Publications, 260 pp. ISBN 1-55939-009-3



2. Bhagwan Dash, Vaidya 1989. Materia Medica of Indo-Tibetan Medicine.

   Delhi: Classics India Publications, 647 pp. ISBN 81-85132-00-3



3. Bhagwan Dash, Vaidya 1988. Formulary of Tibetan Medicine. Delhi:

   Classics India Publications, 453 pp.  ISBN 81-85132-04-6



Conrad Richter



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:02:14 -0500

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From:         "T. L. Rutter" <EnigmaServ@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Alternative treatments for MS



In a message dated 95-12-09 00:04:00 EST, you write:



>I have just been disgnosed with multiple sclerosis.  So far it is very mild,

>so "drug" treatment does not really interest me.   I am curious if anyone

>has information about alternative treatments for the management of MS.  I'm

>especially interested in personal experiences, both from the user's

>standpoint and the treatment provider.

>

>Any help would be greatly appreciated!



A friend of mine has been diagnosed with MS and she has it really bad. She

just flew in here last night and today i am starting her on the Kombucha

Mushroom. They say that people with MS can begin to walk again when they

drink the Tea from this Kombucha Mushroom.



Like i say, i am starting her on this today and will see how well she does

with it. You really need to stay off of cigarrettes, alcohol, etc.



Check it out, you can access the web at several sites for more information.



Good luck,



t.r.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 9 Dec 1995 14:07:46 -0500

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From:         Patricia Harper <IgorBladox@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Calendula cream instructions



Dear Maria and interested others,



The first step in making most herbal creams is to make an herbal oil. The

following recipe is for dried herbs. See my note at the end of the oil recipe

if you wish to use fresh calendula.



Calendula Oil



Part used: flower



2-3 oz dried herb

1 cup olive oil

(The basic here is enough oil to barely cover your quantity of herbs--fresh

or dry)



Put the dried herb into a pyrex, ceramic or stainless steel double boiler (do

not use reactive metals such as iron or aluminum) and cover with olive oil.

 Very gently, heat the oil and herbs for 1 to 2 hours, keeping temperature

well below boiling, about 100--150 degrees. Stir often. Heat until herbs feel

"crispy" and done (a somewhat intuitive measure, I admit--just use the clock

if this is not your style).  Strain the oil through a clean cloth into an

appropriate container.



I prefer using oils to creams and at this point funnel the oil into a bottle

with a pour spout for easy use. Always lable your products with a complete

list of igredients and date.



Note on using fresh herbs: Fresh herbs contain water which can shorten the

shelf life  of your oil (usually 1-3 years) to a few weeks.  If your fresh

herb oil will not be used up quickly, the water can be removed by allowing

the oil to stand for two weeks without agitation. The oil will then have

seperated from the water and can be siphoned or poured off into a new, clean

container for storage--preferably in a cool, dark place.



Basic Cream Recipe



2 oz solid fat -such as Crisco (really), coconut oil, cocoa butter or lanolin



5 oz oil -use your calendula oil for diaper rash, etc., try chamomile for

face or body cream, plain almond, olive, or any other non-drying oil is fine



2 oz distilled water -try rose or orange flower water from a middle eastern

grocery store, or plain distilled water is fine



1 tsp (approximately) beeswax -shave or grate before use



3-5 drops essential oil, if desired for fragrance or effect



Gently melt solid fat, wax and oil over double boiler or carefully in

microwave; use low heat and stir until blended.

Remove from heat.



Put water into blender or mixer bowl and agitate. While water is spinning,

slowly pour the oil, fat, wax mixture into the water. Continue mixing until

emulsified. You may notice a distinct change of sound as the cream congeals.





Remove cream, while still warm, into clean containers and leave open until

completely cool.  Label each jar with contents and date, be sure to note date

your herbal oil was made if it is much older than your cream.



Store in a cool, dark place; should stay fresh for  a year or so. Sniff

before using and look for mold after 6 months.  If the oil and water

seperate, just stir before using.



Patricia Harper

Herbalist

email: igorbladox@aol.com



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Date:         Sat, 9 Dec 1995 15:06:21 -0500

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From:         Brian Conkerton <MrBoyMan@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Alternative treatments fo...



I have heard that large doses ( 300-400mg) of Coenzyme Q-10 has some benifit.

 Co-enzyme Q-10 seems to have a positive benifit on many diseases from

varying etologies.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 9 Dec 1995 20:47:30 -0500

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From:         Laura Hundt User <LHundt@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs for Cluster/Migrane...



    I use a feverfew and Valerian tincture for my migranes.. to make the

tincture combine 10ml feverfew tincture, 10ml valarian tincture, and 5ml

lavender tincture in a sterilized dropper bottle. Drink 15-20 drops in a

little warm water, repeat at 15-60 minute intervals while simptons persist.



    Modern research has shown feverfew to be effective for treating migranes.

 Eating fresh leaves can prevent attacks, although the taste is extremely

bitter.  Do not use feverfew if taking warfarin or other blood thinning

drugs.  feverfew can also cause mouth ulsers.



    For migranes I would also trymassaging a little of a mixture made from 20

drops lavender oil and 10 ml. sweet almond oil into the nape of the neck and

temples.



   See if a cold compress applied to the head eases the migrane, if so try a

lavender infusion.  Other types of migrane respond to a hot towwel on the

forehead, in which case use a rosemary infusion





Hope this helps.... Laura



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 9 Dec 1995 22:51:19 -0500

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From:         Laura Hundt User <LHundt@AOL.COM>

Subject:      herbal tea recepes



I am looking for recepes for herbal teas that will aid with relaxation,

stress relief, tension, mental clarity, and depression... if anyone has any I

would greatly appreciate them.... you can send them to me private if you

wish.... Laura



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 9 Dec 1995 23:40:15 MST

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From:         Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal tea recepes



>I am looking for recepes for herbal teas that will aid with relaxation,

>stress relief, tension, mental clarity, and depression... if anyone has any I

>would greatly appreciate them.... you can send them to me private if you

>wish.... Laura



I have two files on my website that have many tea recipes:

One is my manual HERBAL FORMULAS FOR CLINIC AND HOME 2.0

with a dozen or so tea recipes (and a whole bunch of other formulas

that range from toothpowders to cough syrups to tonic formulas to

Guarana fudge) ...I have it in both ascii .txt and Acrobat .pdf formats



http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsMM/Formulary2.txt (68K)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsMM/Formulary2.pdf (320K)



I also have:

HERB FORMULAS (from the book "Herbs for Health") by OTTO MAUSERT, N.D. (1932)



with several HUNDRED tea recipes...robust and a bit on the charismatic

side, these were the standard formulas sold by most of the old-line

herb companies up until the 1970s (also ascii .txt and Acrobat .pdf)



http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsOther/MausForm.pdf (315K)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsOther/MausForm.txt (113K)



If you don't have a web browser, they are mirrored for anonymous FTP at:



sunsite.unc.edu



with the path:

/pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/SWSBM/



Hope this helps.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

-----------------------------------------------------------------

All the SWSBM teaching and clinical manuals, JPEGs of Medicinal Plant

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 10 Dec 1995 12:43:48 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: oesophageal cancer



>Dear Herbalists,

>Is there any known herbal remedy for Oesophagial Cancer ? What may be

>the necessary precautions after Radiation & Chemotherapy ?



There are a number of antineoplastic herbal agents, but possibly  more

important is

herbal support for the effects of chemo etc.  This in turn must be handled

carefully, depending on the

kind of cytoxic agents used...The case should be entrusted to a local

experienced herbalist, or alternative cancer clinic where many modalities

are often used synergystically.  This cannot, I fear, really be handled on

a  public list.

best wishes



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 10 Dec 1995 12:43:53 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: MS



>Date:    Fri, 8 Dec 1995 21:00:00 PST

>From:    Bim Miles <bim@ORCALINK.COM>

>Subject: Alternative treatments for MS

>

>I have just been disgnosed with multiple sclerosis.  So far it is very mild,

>so "drug" treatment does not really interest me.   I am curious if anyone

>has information about alternative treatments for the management of MS.  I'm

>especially interested in personal experiences, both from the user's

>standpoint and the treatment provider.

>

>Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>



>A friend of mine has been diagnosed with MS and she has it really bad. She

>just flew in here last night and today i am starting her on the Kombucha

>Mushroom. They say that people with MS can begin to walk again when they

>drink the Tea from this Kombucha Mushroom.

>

>Like i say, i am starting her on this today and will see how well she does

>with it. You really need to stay off of cigarrettes, alcohol, etc.



Hi,

if you are looking for internet resources there is a list for MS

discussion/support

the last details I have are:



 MSLIST-L



Internet: LISTSERV%TECHNION.AC.IL@VM.TAU.AC.IL



In addition, there is a good body of clinical experience in handling MS

herbally, but you need to see a good herbalist/naturopath to take your case

in depth. The good news is that you are in an "early" position and

will really gain maximum benefit from going this route.



As far as Kombucha goes, be aware that any effects recorded to date are

largely anecdotal,

and that the craze for this idiosyncratic mess of yeasts/bacteria is not

commonly held by clinically experienced persons of any modality (including

the weird and wonderful) to be of theraputic benefit for anything, despite

the claims of its devotees.



good luck



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 10 Dec 1995 12:43:42 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Calendula cream instructions.



>The first step in making most herbal creams is to make an herbal oil. The

>following recipe is for dried herbs. See my note at the end of the oil recipe

>if you wish to use fresh calendula.



Just some additions to Patricias recipe....



* Note that while dried calendula flos CAN be used, but most infused  oils

REQUIRE fresh plant.

Calendua, and one or two others are exceptions.... Also maceration  of

leaves/stems when used is important to expose the cellular contents to the

fatty solvent.....



* Note that a much better infusion will result from a "double pass" re-use

the infused oil to extract a second identical amount of the herb.



* Note that you can use an aqueous infusion of the herb  instead of flower

water/distilled water  etc. for an ointment. This has the added advantage

of guaranteeing  non fat soluble elements of importance will also be

contained in your ointment.



happy cooking



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 10 Dec 1995 11:31:12 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      re borborygmi



> Hello all,

>:

>:         Here is an odd one buy my friend wanted me to ask this one for her.

>: She has this strange gurgling or ??? noise her stomach makes through out

>the

>: night with no discomfort or anything, its just there.  She wanted to know

>if

>: there is any herbal drink that can be administered before sleep to

>: prevent this and what causes such noises?

>

>These are called borborigmi. They are usually the result of improper diet or

>chronically weak digestion. She can try some fennel tea after dinner.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



One might add that *excessive* borborygmus is not necessarily *normal* and

could indicate either

a subclinical GI stress or an overt organic disorder in its early stages.

Worth checking or if fennel does not work IMO.



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 10 Dec 1995 23:19:52 -0500

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Traditional Smudging herb



In a message dated 95-12-08 20:24:56 EST, you write:



>The only other "authentic" smudging herb I've seen used by native americans

>(I am Chippewa, not a smudge using group per se,  but have friends from many

>tribes) is artemesia tridentata.  This plant, commonly called sagebrush, is

>also probably the plant one listmember reported wildcrafting in New Mexico.

>It is not a true sage and has a somewhat sweeter smelling smoke than white

>sage.



You've answered a question (that I haven't asked) about the use of artemisia

as a smudge ingredient. I have three pounds of artemisia douglasiana on order

(for another purpose) and plan to experiment with some of it in a smudge when

it arrives. BTW, artemisia (AKA mugwort), as you correctly pointed out, is

not a sage. It's in the wormwood family, which also includes artemisia

absinthicum--the source of the notorious (and now outlawed) alcoholic

beverage absinthe.



--Dale--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 03:30:04 -0500

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From:         "Tamara N. Brown" <TomatoLoo@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal tea recepes



A while ago I made a tincture for a friend who has suffered from severe

depression for years. My friend was pleased with the results. He did not

discontinue antidepressants, but felt the herbs were helpful in conjunction.

  After research and consulting with my herb teacher the herbs used were Wood

Betony, Borige, Linden Flowers, Lavender, Rosemary, and St. John's Wort (use

this one sparingly).  It would be fine to make a tea out of these herbs, or a

tincture can be made in apple cider vinegar. (Fill jar half full with dry

herbs, add vinegar, steep for 3 weeks in a brown paper bag away from direct

heat, strain).  Alcohol can also be used as a base, but my friend suffered

from alcoholism and liver disease so vinegar was preferred.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:34:38 -0500

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From:         Laura Hundt User <LHundt@AOL.COM>

Subject:      tinctures



   I have recently srarted growing my own herb garden and have been reading

several books on how to make my own herbal remedies... I have become a bit

confused when it comes to making tinctures... perhaps someone can help me....

first one of my books says that I need a wine press, and another does not

mention it at all.  Is a wine press necessary for making a tincture???

 Second, can I make a tincture by substituting vinigar for the alcohol????

  I appreciate any help...



   Laura



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 10 Dec 1995 22:34:52 -0500

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From:         "Sage McKenzie." <TXSage@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: smudge sticks



>>Can anybody name other original ingredients or give more info/plantlore

about Salvia apiana? I'm not looking for alternative new ingredients  I'm

still getting aquainted to the original!<<



Most of the smudge sticks I see here are made from one of the artemisia

species with or without the addition of the juniper that grows abundantly

throughout the Western US (sometimes mistakenly called cedar).



I have studied with several Native Americans and I find that they call any

grey, aromatic plant "sage" or "sagebrush." The sacred herbs to many Native

Americans are: cedar (juniper), sage, tobacco, and mullein.



Sage McKenzie

TXSage@aol.com

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Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 02:46:01 -0800

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Traditional Smudging herb



>>The only other "authentic" smudging herb I've seen used by native americans

>>(I am Chippewa, not a smudge using group per se,  but have friends from many

>>tribes) is artemesia tridentata.



Yes, Artemisia tridentata, or tripartarta, or many other species that are

woody shrubs are called Sagebrush.  Very good smudge. Effective

antibacterial for airborne bacteria. Great for cleaning out smells. Close

your windows, light the stick, go around the house, I usually go along the

ceiling edges,  and get all the corners that collect the stale energy. I

have a broom in the other hand to clean the cobwebs at the same time. Before

the house fills with too much smoke, finish up and open the windows and

doors, letting all the smoke blow away. Certainly, wonderful for

purification and stale spirit energies, in the more traditional sense,

antibaterial in the scientific scents.



Indeed, as an adult I had chicken pox, left me "out of it" for a while. I

returned to me house weeks later, to find the electricity turned off and the

refrigerator quite foul. I left it open outside, hosed it out, tried bleach,

baking soda, vinegar, cleanser. Nothing would remove the smell, after all

this, and left open for days. So I lit a sage stick (Artemisia tridentata),

stuck it in the fridge, and closed the door. Opened it about an hour later,

the foul smell was gone. All the food tasted like Sagebrush for a while.

That was fine with me.



The white sage is a very different smell and plant. I believe the Native

Americans who didn't have access to White Sage(Salvia) used Sagebrush.

Sagebrush is accessible in more of North America than the Salvia.



Some Native Americans used Cedar leaves in the smudge.



>You've answered a question (that I haven't asked) about the use of artemisia

>as a smudge ingredient. I have three pounds of artemisia douglasiana on order

>(for another purpose) and plan to experiment with some of it in a smudge when

>it arrives. BTW, artemisia (AKA mugwort), as you correctly pointed out, is

>not a sage.



Woah, Dale, that Mugwort, an herbaceous (not woody) Artemisia is used for a

different purpose. You can smudge with it, but it is not for purification

like the woody Artemisias. Also, you might want to know that Mugwort when

burnt smells suspiciously similar to Marijuana, more so than any other plant

I've smelled. If you burn it in your house as a smudge, you may not think

so, but others that come and visit may eye you suspiciously ..... perhaps

they think you are holding out on them, or that you may not pass your next

drug test. Nevertheless, do not smudge your car with Mugwort. The local

Peace Officer doesn't know about Mugwort.

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The following is a cut and paste from our list here .... written in August

of this year:



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Hello,

>  I am having a lot of difficulty identifying the plant that Native

>Americans use for ceremonial purposes.  They call it sage (and yes I know

>what it looks like) but I can't find any   other names for it or it's latin

>name.  It is almost ready to harvest here in Minnesota.

>                                 Thanks in advance,

>                                        Kay

>

The common name Sage refers to a variety of unrelated plants, many of which

were used ceremonially. You've gotten 3 latin names so far, so how do you

tell now?



Sage - Salvia sp. is in the Mint Family (Labiatae) with square stems,

opposite leaves and two lipped flowers. If you have a Salvia, the leaves

will be in pairs on the stem, generally with wide leaves that are entire (no

teeth, lobes, serrations, or grooves along the edges of the leaf, just oval

shaped). This genus includes garden sage for cooking and white sage

(ceremonial) and black sage, purple sage, hummingbird sage, and innumerable

others. This plant is probably not growing wild in Minnesota.



Sagebrush (sage) - shrubby Artemisia sp.is in the Sunflower family. They

have woody stems and are bushes (shrubs) with often irregularly shaped

leaves. These plants have also been used ceremonially. The flowers are small

and yellow centered.includes silver sage.



Mugwort (Sagewort) herbaceous Artemisia sp. is related to the Sagebrush,

only it is not a woody shrub, it is an herb (botanically speaking, not a

tree or shrub). This are the plants used for dreams. The details of the

specific species of the Artemisias are complex and confusing.



Hope this helps some, many folks become confused with the common name "Sage".



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Howie B                  http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html

C&W Herbs, Inc.

Eugene, Or USA

howieb@teleport.com



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 10 Dec 1995 12:04:42 -0500

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From:         "Sherwood S. Tucker" <DDS1@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Lemon leaves



Hi



I understand that Lemon leaves are NOT poisonous - The question is are Orange

leaves poisonous?



Sherwood

dds1@AOL.COM



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Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 07:56:56 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Re: underarm and body deoderant - Reply



> Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU> 12/07 8:12 pm >>>

>        Well, lots of people have listed talc powder as an ingredient in

>a body and underarm stick/cream.  One person has listed that the read somewhere

>that talc can be bad and irritating to people.  I do not know that this

>is true or not fully, I do know that some people have a reaction to talc

>so don't use products containing it.  Does anyone know of a natural product

>that would be a good substitute for talc powder?



We used to use cornstarch rather than talc to prevent diaper rash on

our baby.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 10 Dec 1995 10:06:38 -0500

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From:         Brian Conkerton <MrBoyMan@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cushings syndrome



Does anyone know of an herbal treatment for Cuchings (hypercortisolism)?  Is

there an herbal treatment that can block cortisol without interfering with

the other necessary steroids, ie: mineralocorticoids, androgens, and

estrogens.  Thanks so much.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:49:15 PST

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From:         John LoConte <JLoconte@PACTIDE.NOAA.GOV>

Subject:      Goldenseal



     Does anyone have any experience culivating goldenseal?  How long does

     it take to get a crop?  Can it be grown in the Pacific Northwest?

     Thanks.    jloconte@pactide.noaa.gov



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 08:23:22 -0600

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From:         Dawn Finney <finney@INDY.RADIOLOGY.UIOWA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Talc



Yes, and this is why it it no longer recommended to use powders with talc on

babies.



Dawn Finney



> Talc is soapstone, and, not good, in that if inhaled it just sits in the

> lungs.

> Jo



The Electric Differential Multimedia Lab

dawn-finney@uiowa.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 08:20:28 -0600

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From:         Dawn Finney <finney@INDY.RADIOLOGY.UIOWA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: underarm and body deoderant



>         Well, lots of people have listed talc powder as an ingredient in a

> body

> and underarm stick/cream.  One person has listed that the read somewhere that

> talc can be bad and irritating to people.  I do not know that this is true or

> not fully, I do know that some people have a reaction to talc so don't use

> products containing it.  Does anyone know of a natural product that would be a

> good substitute for talc powder?



Baking soda.  (also has anti-odor properties)



Dawn Finney



The Electric Differential Multimedia Lab

dawn-finney@uiowa.edu



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Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:31:12 -0800

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Calendula cream instructions



At 02:07 PM 12/9/95 -0500, you wrote:

>Dear Maria and interested others,

>

>The first step in making most herbal creams is to make an herbal oil. The

>following recipe is for dried herbs. See my note at the end of the oil recipe

>if you wish to use fresh calendula.



If you add 500 IU of vitamin E per cup of oil to the oil after the heating

process, your oil will last longer without going rancid.



If you don't heat the oil, but let the herb soak for a while, add the

vitamin E before adding the herb.

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Howie B                  http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html

C&W Herbs, Inc.

Eugene, Or USA

howieb@teleport.com



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:31:16 -0800

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Cornstarch and Essential oils



At 11:16 PM 12/7/95 PST, you wrote:

>Would anyone have any suggestions on how to add an herbal scent to corn

>starch? I'm trying to make a baby powder using corn starch as the base. Thanks.

>Jo



First, Put the corn startch in a jar and add the essentail oil to the corn

starch. Shake it up a bit. Let it sit in a warm, but not hot, place for a

few hours.



Second, take the cornstarch and sift it through a screen, pushing the clumps

of of oil/cornstrach through the holes so that they break up and mix with

the rest of the cornstarch powder. This may take a few times through the

screen. It also puffs up the corn starch, making it easier to use.



Lastly, let the whole mixture sit in a sealed jar for at least a day. This

is important so that the aroma permeates the whole batch.



Careful though, the process can look suspicious. I used to sell a variety of

these kinds of body powders. Once my mom came to visit during this. She

wanted to take a picture of me working for the relatives. Those pictures of

me and my employee with an enourmous bowl of white powder weighing out 40

gram baggies on a triple beam raised a few eyebrows at the developing lab,

I'm sure ;-)



Oh yes, a final word of caution: you do not want to breath too much of the

powder when sifting.



Enjoy, these are fun to make and use.



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:10:32 -0800

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: underarm and body deoderant



At 05:12 PM 12/7/95 PST, you wrote:

>Hello all,

>

>        Well, lots of people have listed talc powder as an ingredient in a body

>and underarm stick/cream.  One person has listed that the read somewhere that

>talc can be bad and irritating to people.  I do not know that this is true or

>not fully, I do know that some people have a reaction to talc so don't use

>products containing it.  Does anyone know of a natural product that would be a

>good substitute for talc powder?



Another reason for problems with talc: it can absorb environmental toxins.

Sometimes there are skin reeactions not from the talc, but the contaminants.

A replacement would be cornstarch ..... see the other post on scenting

cornstarch.

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Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:10:29 -0800

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Goldenseal



At 05:49 PM 12/11/95 PST, you wrote:

>     Does anyone have any experience culivating goldenseal?  How long does

>     it take to get a crop?  Can it be grown in the Pacific Northwest?

>     Thanks.    jloconte@pactide.noaa.gov



If you live in the Pacific Northwest, and are growing goldenseal for

yourself and your family, try Oregon Grape Root instead. Berberis will grow

easily without pampering, and is a very good replacement for Goldenseal with

a similar effects and chemical makeup.

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 18:39:58 -0500

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From:         Reid Winick <ReidDDS@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Looking for the Herb "Ocimum Sanctum"



Commonly found in India and referred to as "Tulsi."  Do you have any info?

 Thanks.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 18:25:00 CST

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From:         "C. Pierce" <ctpierce@PRESSENTER.COM>

Subject:      Re: underarm and body deoderant



Arrow Root Powder works well or cornstarch.



>Baking soda.  (also has anti-odor properties)

>

>Dawn Finney



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:00:35 -0500

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From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Goldenseal



John LoConte <JLoconte@PACTIDE.NOAA.GOV> writes:



>      Does anyone have any experience culivating goldenseal?  How long does

>      it take to get a crop?  Can it be grown in the Pacific Northwest?

>      Thanks.    jloconte@pactide.noaa.gov



Yes, it can be grown in the Pacific Northwest.  Jeanine Davis of

North Carolina State University published a short summary of

what's required to grow this crop commercially.  Copies are available

from Richters, as are rootlets, the preferred propagule for commercial

plantations.



Conrad Richter



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:22:00 GMT

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From:         Graham Holmes <Graham.Holmes@MAIL.SEMA.CO.UK>

Subject:      Re: Traditional Smudging herb



I know of the beverage absinthe. Does anyone know why it was outlawed and

what was so special about it?



Graham.



>You've answered a question (that I haven't asked) about the use of artemisia

>as a smudge ingredient. I have three pounds of artemisia douglasiana on order

>(for another purpose) and plan to experiment with some of it in a smudge when

>it arrives. BTW, artemisia (AKA mugwort), as you correctly pointed out, is

>not a sage. It's in the wormwood family, which also includes artemisia

>absinthicum--the source of the notorious (and now outlawed) alcoholic

>beverage absinthe.



>--Dale--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:36:55 -0800

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From:         Shaula Evans <sevans@AWINC.COM>

Subject:      herbs and jetlag



I am quite concerned about my father, who was ill last week, but has to

leave this week for a 4 day business trip to central Canada.  We live in

British Columbia, the westernmost province for those of you not familiar

with Canadian geography, and the time difference is 3 hours.



He is very run down, and I am worried that the exhaustion of flying, the

time difference, and a busy meeting schedule will make him fall ill again.



Afraid he is not able to cancel or reschedule the trip.



Can anyone suggest any herbal remedies to prevent or releive jetlag?  I'd

like to help him out as much as I can.  Also, would it be useful in this

sort of case to take echinacea or goldenseal?



Regards,



Shaula Evans



P.S.  For speed's sake, I would greatly appreciate if you could cc any

replied directly to me at sevans@awinc.com.  Thank you.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:45:20 -0500

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From:         Marilynne Durrett-Johnson <Mjbdj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: underarm and body deoderant - Reply



In a message dated 95-12-11 17:57:26 EST, astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV

(ANDREW STRASFOGEL) writes:



>Does anyone know of a natural product

>that would be a good substitute for talc powder?



Hi Edward,



Have you tried powdered arrowroot?  I've made a body powder of 1 c. powdered

arrowroot, 1 c. corn starch and 1/4 c. baking soda.  Sift together with your

favorite fragrance.  My family loves it.



Melle

mjbdj@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:35:42 -0700

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From:         Tommy Clonts <TCLONTS@EAC.CC.AZ.US>

Subject:      I am fourteen, sage IS a problem!



I am fourteen, and i have about twelve sage plants in my herb garden.  I

used to grow plants to make my opwn incense, but my mom gets all clogged

and congested.  I have been reading all of your sage talk, and so i decided

to dry and burn some.

        I went to school , as usual, except i had burned some sage about an

hour earlier.  My teachers FLIPPED! Two kids have been arrested for smoking

pot on campus, so they thought i was one of them! I have a really good rep.

with my teachers, but when my PARENTS smelled it, they really got

suspicious! They went through my dresser, and my clothes.  so be REALLY

carefull, to not burn it where there is a chance it will cause a problem!

you wll probably use desert sage, but i used the kind that goes in

stuffing.



                Tommy.



P.S.

I just peirced my own bellybutton, do you know i can prevent it from

getting infected? If it gets infected, my parents will find out!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 00:15:04 -0500

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From:         Eric Serejski <eseres@MAIL.EROLS.COM>

Subject:      Yohimbe: Positive and Negative



Could someone suggest where I can find precise and accurate information

regarding the use of Yohimbe.  The information I searched until know does

not allow me to have a clear opininion of its real therapeutic use and of

its toxicity.



Thank you,



Eric Serejski.  Dipl.Acu.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 11 Dec 1995 23:31:46 -0800

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From:         Susan Gallant <susang@CLARK.EDU>

Subject:      Sweet Annie



  I was given a small dry piece of an aromatic plant which the giver called

Sweet Annie and grew in Virginia.  I live in WA and have never heard of

this sweet scented herb/plant.  I have looked through all my books for

this name and cannot find anything on it.  It smells very sweet with a

hint of sage to it.  I thought it would make a great car deodorizer

hanging from the mirror but I need to know what the botanical name may

possibly be so that I can ask for it from the local nurseries.



  If anyone has seeds or info on how to plant/grow, it's uses, etc, I would

sure appreciate any info at all.



Thank you in advance

Susan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 00:42:28 -0800

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Traditional Smudging herb



At 02:22 PM 12/11/95 GMT, you wrote:

>I know of the beverage absinthe. Does anyone know why it was outlawed and

>what was so special about it?

>

Graham,



This is from the Medicinal Herb FAQ for our mailing list and alt.folklore.herbs:



2.1.3 Absinthe FAQ pointer

-----



If you really are serious about Absinthe go get the alt.drugs FAQ on



the subject from hyperreal.com /drugs/faqs: FAQ-Absinthe.



Be warned - thujone IS dangerous, no matter what that FAQ says.



____



Thanks to Henriette for keeping this FAQ going, and helping keep some of the

repitition down.



If anyone hasn't checked this document out, please do it. Make it the next

good herb book for your library.

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 00:44:13 -0800

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sweet Annie or alt.artemisia.smelly.herbs



At 11:31 PM 12/11/95 -0800, you wrote:

>  I was given a small dry piece of an aromatic plant which the giver called

>Sweet Annie and grew in Virginia.  I live in WA and have never heard of

>this sweet scented herb/plant.  I have looked through all my books for

>this name and cannot find anything on it.  It smells very sweet with a

>hint of sage to it.  I thought it would make a great car deodorizer

>hanging from the mirror but I need to know what the botanical name may

>possibly be so that I can ask for it from the local nurseries.



Hint of Sage? What do you know, It's Artemisia annua !! Sagebrush is A.

tridentata



>  If anyone has seeds or info on how to plant/grow, it's uses, etc, I would

>sure appreciate any info at all.



Should be common, I bet Ritcher's has some.

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 00:44:00 PST

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From:         Jo <Alan_Grout@SUNSHINE.NET>



Hello,

Would anyone have any suggestions for herbal treatment for chronic swelling

of the ankles and feet.

I had told my friend that I would ask, and then, I forgot!!ouch

Anyway, she is kind of long- term- frustrated. She has had the condition-it

sounds like forever-through all ages and stages-fat,thin,pg, not pg,

young,old...And has endured many tests which show she is a very healthy

person...however, she continues to have swelling in her lower

extremities-ankles and feet almost constantly, moving up to her knees on bad

days. . It is apparently difficult to sit for even short periods. She has to

keep on the move to be reasonably comfortable.

She--and I--would appreciate any advice, suggestions,etc.

And thank-you, much, in advance.

Jo



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 03:54:45 -0500

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From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Sweet Annie



Susan Gallant <susang@CLARK.EDU> writes:



>   I was given a small dry piece of an aromatic plant which the giver called

> Sweet Annie and grew in Virginia.  I live in WA and have never heard of

> this sweet scented herb/plant.  I have looked through all my books for

> this name and cannot find anything on it.  It smells very sweet with a

> hint of sage to it.  I thought it would make a great car deodorizer

> hanging from the mirror but I need to know what the botanical name may

> possibly be so that I can ask for it from the local nurseries.

>

>   If anyone has seeds or info on how to plant/grow, it's uses, etc, I would

> sure appreciate any info at all.



The plant is Artemisia annua.  It also goes by the common name

"sweet wormwood".  Besides its aromatic properties, it is important

in Chinese medicine, and it has a potent anti-malarial effect.



It is easy to grow from seeds.



Conrad Richter



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 12:17:23 +0000

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From:         James Morley <jm12kg@LION.RBGKEW.ORG.UK>

Subject:      Re: Looking for the Herb "Ocimum Sanctum"

In-Reply-To:  <951211183956_51215726@emout04.mail.aol.com>



On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Reid Winick wrote:



> Commonly found in India and referred to as "Tulsi."  Do you have any info?

>  Thanks.



Make sure you also look for info. under _Ocimum tenuiflorum_, the correct

Latin name for this species.



--------------------------------------------------------------

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Centre for Economic Botany

Royal Botanic Gardens                    Tel. (0)181 332 5719

Kew, Richmond                            Fax. (0)181 332 5278

Surrey   TW9 3AE

UK                          WWW  http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/ceb

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:30:15 -0700

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From:         "Donald B. Dwyer" <dbdwyer@NETRIX.NET>

Subject:      Re: Looking for the Herb "Ocimum Sanctum"



>Commonly found in India and referred to as "Tulsi."  Do you have any info?

> Thanks.



Ocimum sanctum is one of nine species of Ocimum in India according to the

Indian Materia Medica.



Habitat:        It occurs throughout India and is cultivated near Hindu

houses and temples.

Action:         Demulcent, expectorant, and antiperiodic.  Root is

febrifuge; seeds are mucilaginous and demulcent.  Dried plant is stomachic,

and expectorant.  Leaves are anti-catarrrhal, expectorant, fragrant and

aromatic.

Uses:           Numerous.



If you want a copy of the info in the Indian Materia Medica send me a fax

number or you mailing address.



Regards



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:15:27 -0500

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From:         Brian Conkerton <MrBoyMan@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Yohimbe: Positive and Neg...



the drug Yocon is made from the Yohimbe herb and information can on the side

effects and toxicity can be found in the PDR.  This information may closely

correspond to the herb.  However, the herb is  safer to take and would

probally have fewer side effects.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:21:15 -0500

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From:         Brian Conkerton <MrBoyMan@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbs and jetlag



I have used Siberian ginseng for stress, as I have had to stay awake for

somtimes up to 32-36hrs and it has worked wonders.  However, the best effect

is received when it is taken over a long period. I dont know how much

clinical effect would be received from short term use, but taking it now can

help prevent problems in a few weeks.  Also, when buying SG be sure to buy a

reputable brand because all brand are certainly not alike.  And make sure

that you are not buying Korean or Red ginseng; they do not have the same

substances as Siberian and although good, will not give the desired effect

you want.  This herb will allow one to adapt to stess and promote immuity.

  Good luck and let me know how he does. Thank You Brian



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:27:07 -0500

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From:         Brian Conkerton <MrBoyMan@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: I am fourteen, sage IS a ...



I suggest you tell your parents now.  That peircing can often becomes

infected and sometimes rather badly im afraid. I do not suggest any herbal

treatment until you are seen by a M.D.    An infection of that type can cause

deep scaring; something i'm sure you want to avoid.   So please tell your

parents today. Good luck!!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:57:30 EST

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From:         Rene Burrough <100735.543@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Looking for the Herb "Ocimum Sanctum"



Reid Winick:



Ocimum sanctum aka O. tenuiflorum, Holy Basil, Sacred Basil, and Tulsi.



Unless you're in the UK, I can't advise further on where you might be able to

find this basil.



Rene Burrough



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From:         Dorene Petersen <dorenep@EUROPA.COM>

Subject:      Re: tinctures



>   I have recently srarted growing my own herb garden and have been reading

>several books on how to make my own herbal remedies... I have become a bit

>confused when it comes to making tinctures... perhaps someone can help me....

>first one of my books says that I need a wine press, and another does not

>mention it at all.  Is a wine press necessary for making a tincture???

> Second, can I make a tincture by substituting vinigar for the alcohol????

>  I appreciate any help...

>

>   Laura



Hi laura, I have made tinctures quite successfully with fresh or dried

herbs from my garden.  Most herbs require slighlty different approaches

depending on which part of the plant that is used and whether fresh or

dried is best but generally the following seems to work.



Tincture

This is a herbal preparation that extracts the chemical constituents in

alcohol or vinegar, as water will retrieve only some of the medicinal

properties. Add 30-60gms of powdered or chopped herb to 500ml of 75%

Alcohol (vodka or cider vinegar) or add 1 part herb to 5 parts of alcohol.

Keep in tightly closed jar in a warm spot for 2 weeks, shake 2-3 times

every day. Strain, through filter paper (available from chemists) and store

in a dark bottle or cupboard. 280ml of a tincture should equal the

medicinal potency of 30gms of the raw herb, so 1tsp (approx.) will equal

the medicinal strength of 1 cup of infusion. Dilute at least 1tsp of

tincture to 1/4 cup of water. Tinctures are extremely useful for the Herbal

Practitioner as many patients will not want to bother with preparing teas.

They are simple to dispense and quick and easy for the patient.



Tinctures will last indefinitely if stored correctly.



Hope this helps.  Dorene Petersen Australasian College of Herbal Studies

180048STUDY



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Dorene Petersen <dorenep@EUROPA.COM>

Subject:      Re: essential oils



>I would really be interested too, in finding out how to make essential oils,

>so if someone answers Tommy's query, please post it to the list. In my

>case.please don't assume any prior knowledge--in other words, the most

>elementary instructions are welcome.

>Thank-you .

>Jo



Hi Jo I wasn't sure if you had received the info you needed but thought you

may be interested in the following.



The most important production method for Essential oils is distillation.

The basic principal of distillation is the same but it is carried out in

different ways depending on the botanical material and the condition of the

material.



Three types of distillation are used:

1. Water

2. Water and steam

3. Direct steam



Distillation is basically, producing steam. The steam is passed through the

herbal material. The steam carries the Essential oil from the plant in

suspension which means the droplets of Essential oils are not dissolved in

the steam but remain separate as droplets of oil. When the steam is cooled

it reverts to the liquid state which is water and in most cases the oil

floats on the surface of the water. The oil is then separated from the

water by dripping or pouring.



1. Water distillation is used when the plant material has been dried and

will not be damaged by boiling. It is also used for powdered materials such

as powdered almond, and flowers, such as orange and rose, that need to

float freely as they tend to lump together when just steam is passed

through them. The material comes into direct contact with the boiling water

and much care needs to be taken that the water does not boil away and cause

the plant material to burn. Another example of an oil prepared by this

method is turpentine gum. Turpentine gum is collected from a species of

Pine (Pinus Palustris) and the gum, wood chips and pine needles are placed

in the distilling chamber with rain water. This mixture is heated until the

plant and oil are condensed in the condensing chamber. Turpentine oil is

not affected by very excessive heat.



2. The second method of distillation is water and steam. This is used for

either fresh or dried plant material that would be damaged by boiling. The

plant material is supported on a perforated grid. The water level is below

the grid and low pressure, wet steam passes through the plant material. The

most important aspect of this method is that the steam is never really hot

and always at low pressure. Cinnamon and clove oils are prepared by this

method.



3. Direct steam distillation is similar to the second method but the steam

is hotter and passed through the plant material at a higher pressure. This

method is used for fresh plant material that has a high boiling point such

as seeds, roots and wood. It is also used for fresh plant material such as

peppermint and spearmint. The crop is cut and placed in a metal distilling

tank on a truck. It is then taken to the distilling tank on the truck.

Steam is forced through the fresh herbs and the oil droplets are carried by

the steam through a vapor pipe at the top of the tank onto a cool

condensing chamber.



Cold Pressing or Expression:

This method is mainly used to prepare citrus oils such as orange, lemon and

tangerine. One method involves puncturing the oil glands by rolling the

fruit over sharp projections that actually pierce the oil glands. The fruit

is then pressed which removes the oil from the glands. It is then washed

off with a fine spray of water.



The juice is extracted by another tube. The oil is then separated from the

water by rotating it at a very high speed.

Another method involves separating the peel from the fruits and then cold

pressing them. The Essential oil is collected along with small amounts of

juice, which is separated.



Enfleurage:

This is an old method which was used in the production of perfumes and

pomade extracts for perfumery. Flower petals such as rose or jasmine are

layered onto warm oils, cold fat or wax. This process is repeated each day

until the base is saturated with the Essential oil. The resulting waxes or

pastes contain up to 1% of Essential oil. The Essential oil is then

extracted from the wax with a volatile liquid such as ethyl alcohol. In the

final step the ethyl alcohol is evaporated at low temperatures and reduced

pressure so that the pure Essential oil remains as a fairly thick liquid.

Cold enfleurage has the advantage that even the most delicate components of

the flower oils are preserved. The disadvantages are that it is not very

effective and it is very expensive. Flower oils prepared with this method

do not contain terpene-hydrocarbons, which indicates that these compounds

are not present as such in the flower, but form during distillation.



Solvent Extraction



This is the most widely used modern method to prepare oils from flowers.

The petals are mixed into a volatile solvent such as petroleum, ether or

benzene, until the Essential oil is completely dissolved in the solvent.

The solution is then filtered and the solvent is evaporated at reduced

pressure. The result of solvent extraction is a concrete. The solvent is

removed from the concrete by vacuum pressure without the use of heat to

avoid any harmful effect to the oil. The concentrated essence that results

is called an absolute. Absolutes are highly concentrated flower products

without the natural waxes.



The main advantage of extraction over distillation is that uniform

temperatures are maintained throughout the process. High temperatures

during the distillation process can produce altered chemical composition of

the oil which alters the natural odor. However, this method is expensive

compared to distillation, and chemicals or solvents used in the process may

still be present after evaporation.



I know this is kind of lengthy but it is not a quick topic.  Hope this

helps.  Dorene Petersen Australasian College of Herbal Studies 1(800)48

STUDY



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:11:05 -0500

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbs and jetlag



Melatonin has been widely touted as a remedy for jet lag. I can't vouch for

it personally, but the literature is full of references to it. It's now

easily accessible in many drugstores.



--Dale--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:12:09 -0500

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Absinthe



In a message dated 95-12-11 22:17:25 EST, you write:



>I know of the beverage absinthe. Does anyone know why it was outlawed and

>what was so special about it?



It was an intoxicant widely used in Europe earlier this century. Taken in

small amounts, it's a euphoriant. However, used habitually it results in

damage to the central nervous system. See the attachment received a couple of

months ago on this subject.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:54:53 -0500

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From:         Cheryl Calloway <callowa3@PILOT.MSU.EDU>

Subject:      help for dog with fleas



A friend of mine has a dog who has suffered hair loss as a consequence of flea

infestation. Apparently, the dog is being treated by the vet for the fleas, but

is still suffering hair loss (or hair is not growing back).  Any ideas for

herbal treatments?



Thanks.



Chere Calloway [callowa3@pilot.msu.edu]



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:57:34 -0700

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From:         Tommy Clonts <TCLONTS@EAC.CC.AZ.US>

Subject:      Infected peircing



I posted, asking what to do to keep my belly button peircing from getting

infected.  TONS of people flooded me with mail telling my to parents and go

to a doctor.  IT IS NOT INFECTED, I JUST WANT TO PREVENT AN INFECTION!

        Is there anyone who can help me?



                Tommy



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:16:07 MST

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From:         Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

Subject:      Re: tinctures (long)



I know I am being a crusty old poot, but, having manufactured tinctures for

commerce for 27 years, I would like to offer up the brief and (for me)

concise directions for making fresh plant and dry plant (maceration and

percolation) tinctures and the most common method of making a Fluidextract

(F.E.)...I have made HUNDREDS of personal variations for PERSONAL use...but

there is a 150-year old tradition of HOW these are made...and I have always

desired to see IN COMMERCE a fairly consistant product that is labeled

"Tincture" or "20% Extract"...the latter because the FDA has, from time to

time, vigorously objected to herbalist's use of the word "tincture"...for

some strange reason.



I pulled this out of my Materia Medica 5.0...I have worksheets to help

anyone work out the math...both can be downloaded from my website, and the

Materia Medica contains the convention proportions of alcohol and water

(and sometimes glycerin) for making DRY tinctures...as well as a list of

the plants that I feel can be made into 1:1 fluidextracts without

compromising the balance of soluble constituents found in the plant.



Golden Seal Fluidextract, as an example, is an abomination...the soluble

constituents almost completely dominate in a fluidextract...substances that

are poorly water and alcohol soluble, such as hydrastine, may only be

present in 5-7% of the total alkaloid content...in the PLANT, hydrastine is

usually 40-45% of total alkaloids, and in a 1:5 tincture there is enough

"room" for hydrastine to retain that proportion.



////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////



FRESH PLANT TINCTURE

One part by weight of the fresh, chopped herb is steeped for 7-10 days in

two parts by volume of grain alcohol (190 proof or 95% ethanol), and

pressed or squeezed out.  There is no reason to blend or shake this

maceration; the tincture is formed passively as a result of dehydration.

Ethanol draws out all plant constituents that contain water, leaving only

cellulose and dead tissue behind.



DRY PLANT TINCTURE: Maceration.

  If the Materia Medica calls for a [1:5, 60% alcohol] tincture, it means

this:  your solvent is 60% alcohol and 40% water (the water is presumed),

and one part of herb by weight has been invested in five parts of solvent

by volume.  Let me run you through one.  You have four ounces of dried Blue

Cohosh roots, which you then grind and sift down to a fairly consistent

coarse powder.  The four ounces (1) must be mixed with 20 ounces of solvent

(5).  The solvent is 60% alcohol, the rest water, so you mix 12 ounces of

ethanol and 8 ounces of water to get the final volume.  Mix both together in

a closed jar, and shake the mixture up for a couple of minutes twice a day.

After 10-14 days of this, let it set another day, pour off the clear tincture

from the top, and squeeze as much out of the sediment as your press or wrists

allow.  The 20 ounces of solvent (called menstruum) and 4 ounces of herb, may

yield up 13-14 ounces of tincture (by wrist) and up to 17 ounces (by press);

the rest is immutably held in the sediment (called marc).  This remnant

moisture is full strength tincture, and eventually this knowledge drives one

out of four herbalists stark raving nuts.  The resultant attempts to

constantly upgrade hydraulic presses rivals the feeding frenzy at computer

hardware conventions.



DRY PLANT TINCTURE: Percolation.

  This is a method that needs physical demonstration and hands-on practice.

That being said, this is a brief run down of the process.  The same Blue

Cohosh has been freshly ground as before.  Pack it into a measuring cup to

check its compressed volume...probably about six ounces.  The menstruum will

need to be the 20 ounces PLUS the 6 ounce volume the ground dry herb takes up.

The proportion is the same; 60% alcohol and 40% water.  60% of 26 ounces is

15.6 fluid ounces (the alcohol), 40% is 10.4 (water).  This gives you your 26

ounces of 60:40 menstruum. Place the powdered herb in a little mixing bowl

with a top, add about two-thirds as much menstruum as the herb took up in

volume.  It took up six ounces in volume, so add four ounces of menstruum to

the herb, and mix it thoroughly, then cover it.  This may be confusing; the

herb WEIGHS 4 ounces, but FILLS 6 ounces of volume.  The reason for checking

its VOLUME will become apparent.  Anyway, the menstruum-moistened herb needs

to stay covered and digesting for at least 12, preferably 24 hours.

  Now you will need a percolating cone...didn't I mention that?  Me and my

students find that a large Perrier bottle with its bottom removed sits

upside-down inside a large-mouthed Mason jar very nicely, and the screw cap

can be used to control the rate of drip out of the bottom (former top).

Anyway, you will need to place some moistened herb inside a coffee filter

paper, slide it into the neck of the cone, and gradually add the moistened

herb on top.  It needs to be compressed and compacted onto the first batch,

until you have an evenly distributed column of herb inside the cone.  Place

a filter on the level herb-column, and pour some menstruum slowly on top.

The menstruum should descent evenly down the herb column,and drip from the

bottom at about one drip per second.  If it never drips out the bottom, you

packed too tight.  If it drips too quickly (drools is a better word), lift

the cone out of the Mason jar, and screw the cap on until the drool becomes

a slow drip.  Keep fresh menstruum covering the top of the herb until it

drips through.  This can take one or two hours (or more).

    When it has finished, there will be 20 ounces of tincture in the Mason

jar, and the last six ounces of menstruum (virtually inert) will stay in

the herb column, like a moist sponge.  Toss it.  Now you see why you need

to measure the dry herb volume; you make just enough menstruum for that batch

of tincture, and you won't have little jars with left-over excess menstruums

that are impossible to compute into another batch with different proportions.

Every Pharmacist has a copy of Remington's Pharmaceutical Sciences, which

describes the process in great detail, and explains why you get better

tinctures when percolating.



FLUIDEXTRACT

Briefly, take 8 ounces of Tabebuia (Pau D'Arco), grind it, make up an

arbitrary amount of menstruum (let's say four times as much, or 32 ounces).

The tincture lists a 50% strength; make your fluidextract menstruum 20%

higher in alcohol content (i.e. 70%).  Mix 22.4 ounces of alcohol with 9.6

ounces of water to get a quart of 70% alcohol menstruum.  Take the Tabebuia,

moisten it, digest it for TWO days, pack a larger cone with it, and drip

(very slowly) a first batch of tincture that is only 75% of the volume as

the original dry herb weighed.  This means after you have dripped 6 fluid

ounces, take it away, and continue dripping everything else into a second

jar.  As the rest of the menstruum finally starts to sink below the top of

the herb column, start adding water into the cone.  This second drip can be

any amount you wish...a quart, two quarts, whatever.   You will need to

evaporate it all in a double boiler until it is reduced to 25% in volume of

the herb weight...2 ounces in this case.  Add the vile remnant of the second

percolation to the 6 ounces from the first percolation, and you now have 8

ounces of fluidextract, made from 8 ounces of Tabebuia Bark.  A Fluidextract

is by definition 1:1 in strength.  Now clean up.



//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 21:12:29 -0500

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From:         "Tamara N. Brown" <TomatoLoo@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: I am fourteen, sage IS a ...



Hydrogen peroxide is a good disinfectant and can be bought at any drug store.

Hope all goes well.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 12 Dec 1995 21:26:40 -0500

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From:         Robin Dorey Deerfield Academy-library <rdorey@K12.OIT.UMASS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Sweet Annie



>  I was given a small dry piece of an aromatic plant which the giver called

>Sweet Annie and grew in Virginia.  I live in WA and have never heard of

>this sweet scented herb/plant.  I have looked through all my books for

>this name and cannot find anything on it.  It smells very sweet with a

>hint of sage to it.  I thought it would make a great car deodorizer

>hanging from the mirror but I need to know what the botanical name may

>possibly be so that I can ask for it from the local nurseries.

>

>  If anyone has seeds or info on how to plant/grow, it's uses, etc, I would

>sure appreciate any info at all.

>

>Thank you in advance

>Susan



Hi Susan,



This is an annual artemesia for me.  I can't remember the latin name.  But

beware.  Some people are highly allergic to it.  I grew it one year and

brought a bunch into work to adorn my desk.  I hadn't been at work 5 minutes

when a co-worker started sneezing like crazy and had her eyes watering

terribly.  I had to take it back home where it apparently doesn't bother

anyone in my family.  Just a precaution.  Robin dorey



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:31:07 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: med. herb writer wanted



Herban Lifestyles, An American Woman's Scrapbook of Herbal Living

newsletter, is looking for quality writers to contribute 500 word articles

on medicinal use of herbs for our regular column. Although subscribers

exist throughout the world, Herban Lifestyles is based in the US and we

would like to continue to have a N.D. or M.D. as the column's author. We

pay $50 US dollar per article upon publication. Submission does not

guarantee publishing though. If you are an N.D. or M.D. and would be

interested please contact us.

We are also interested in other general herb articles, on gardening,

fragrance, crafting, decorating, travel, the environment and cooking.

Herban Lifestyles tries to publish articles with a fresh perspective and

does not accept basic, widely known topics or those published in competing

publications. However we would be open to explore any idea that you might

have.



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 05:57:40 -0500

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From:         Karen Mason <karen@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Re: I am fourteen, sage IS a ...



FYI, also if you have anything pierced or get a tattoo, you can not give

blood for at least a year.



Karen Mason

Orlando FL



At 11:27 AM 12/12/95 -0500, Brian Conkerton wrote:

>I suggest you tell your parents now.  That peircing can often becomes

>infected and sometimes rather badly im afraid. I do not suggest any herbal

>treatment until you are seen by a M.D.    An infection of that type can cause

>deep scaring; something i'm sure you want to avoid.   So please tell your

>parents today. Good luck!!





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 08:19:09 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Looking for the Herb "Ocimum Sanctum" - Reply



>> I bought Holy Basil from the Park Seed Catalog, Greenville, SC.  Very

easy to grow, but I didn't like the cloying, weedy smell.  They also have

lemon basil and several other varieties.



>>> Rene Burrough <100735.543@COMPUSERVE.COM> 12/12 1:57 pm >>>

Reid Winick:



Ocimum sanctum aka O. tenuiflorum, Holy Basil, Sacred Basil, and Tulsi.



Unless you're in the UK, I can't advise further on where you might be able

to find this basil.



Rene Burrough



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 07:48:12 -0500

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From:         Mary F Leunissen <mleuniss@UOGUELPH.CA>

Subject:      Re: herbs and jetlag

In-Reply-To:  <951212151102_71032715@emout05.mail.aol.com>



Not in Canada any more! Our govt. has decided we shouldn't be

taking melatonin without supervision.    Mary L.



On Tue, 12 Dec 1995, Dale Kemery wrote:



> Melatonin has been widely touted as a remedy for jet lag. I can't vouch for

> it personally, but the literature is full of references to it. It's now

> easily accessible in many drugstores.

>

> --Dale--





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:10:56 -0500

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From:         Susan Lowell <susan@OSF1.DC.LSOFT.COM>

Subject:      sage...

In-Reply-To:  <199512130101.UAA16609@linus.dc.lsoft.com>



Well, instead of burning it, I highly recommend the Italian recipies for

deep-fried sage leaves.  These are divine!  Believe me, it's one of those

recipies that doesn't sound like much, but transcends the ingredients

list in terms of deliciousness!  Make sure you sprinkle salt and lemon

juice on them!



....s



My feelings and opinions--don't blame L-Soft



Susan Lowell

Communications and Marketing Coordinator

L-Soft international, Inc.

susan@lsoft.com

We license authentic LISTSERV(TM)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:43:45 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Infected peircing - Reply



>>> Tommy Clonts

I posted, asking what to do to keep my belly button peircing from getting

infected.  TONS of people flooded me with mail telling my to parents and

go to a doctor.  IT IS NOT INFECTED, I JUST WANT TO PREVENT AN INFECTION!

Is there anyone who can help me?



                Tommy

<< Assuming several weeks have passed, since the piercing, you're probably

going to be OK.  Dab with rubbing alcohol after washing carefully with

hot soapy water a few times a week.  Danger signs are if the area turns

red and gets sore  or feels  "hot".  At that point, best to see a doctor.

 My son had his hand pierced and was able to slip the metal ring in and

out.  After he removed the ring permanently, there was no scar.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:56:08 -0500

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From:         Brian Conkerton <MrBoyMan@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Infected peircing



Tommy, I was aware that your peircing was not infected, however I have seen

many naval peircing and they have all become infected even with the most

prudent care. My best advice was to see a MD so that he/she could help you

prevent the infection.  That is your decison.  There are things that you

should be doing though to the wound. Fist, I hope that the materials used

were sterile, if not i hope your tetanus is up to date.   The wound should be

cleaned daily with soap and water and you man use H2O2 as suggested by

someone; that is a good anticeptic. Keep the wound as clean as possible. this

is very important.  Three to Four times a day you should apply Neosporin.

This regeimen should be continued for six months. An herbal topical

preparation contain myrh will help if you can find one, but do not substitute

this for the Neosporin.  Some pus formation should be expected, however if it

is excessive, foul smelling or drains contiuously the infection is out of

your hands and you need an MD. If you get redness going out around the wound

the infection has spead  to the tissue and yu should see a doctor immediately

.  If you deverlope a temp you should not try to treat it yourself.  Please

be careful and take it seriously. Thank you and i hope this helps. let me

know how it turns out.   Bye for Now   Brian



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:04:31 -0500

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From:         Brian Conkerton <MrBoyMan@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbs and jetlag



I agree with not taking melatonin without supervision especially in the

elderly. All of the info of clinical response with melatonin is not out yet.

 First Do No Harm!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:07:32 -0600

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From:         Dawn Finney <finney@INDY.RADIOLOGY.UIOWA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Infected peircing - Reply



> >>> Tommy Clonts

> I posted, asking what to do to keep my belly button peircing from getting

> infected.  TONS of people flooded me with mail telling my to parents and

> go to a doctor.  IT IS NOT INFECTED, I JUST WANT TO PREVENT AN INFECTION!

>         Is there anyone who can help me?

>

>                 Tommy



What about using honey?  It has antibacterial properties.  I've read that it can

be used on newborn babies' umbilical stumps for the same purpose that you need

it for.  I thought about trying this on my son, but I thought--nahh--too much

goo.  (Has anyone else tried this on a baby?  How did it work out?)  Anyway--as

messy as honey might get, it may be fun to try--at the very least.  But the old

adage--"if it ain't broke..."  comes to mind.  Just keep it clean and sterile

while healing.  Several of my friends have reported that this kind of piercing

takes the longest to heal.  And don't mention it to the folks--(unless, of

course, you  need to for medical reasons)--they WILL freak.



Best regards,



Dawn Finney



The Electric Differential Multimedia Lab

dawn-finney@uiowa.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 17:14:26 EST

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From:         B Bonnell <BBONNELL@KENTVM.KENT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: I am fourteen, sage IS a problem!

In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:35:42 -0700 from

              <TCLONTS@EAC.CC.AZ.US>



Scent of sage...

  Yes, the smell of smoldering sage *can* and usually *is* confused with the

scent of marijuana.  Some friends of mine on campus (Kent State U) were

performing a metaphysical clensing ritual, and sage was used.  They had 3

campus security officers and 3 KSU cops show up.  Luckily, one of the cops had

just returned from a trip out west, and recognized the scent as sage, and not

marijuana.  They got slipped, anyway, however.



  Just a warning.



  The Javaman

  bbonnell@kentvm.kent.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:30:51 EDT

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From:         "Czekalski.E" <e.czekalski@MA02Q.BULL.COM>

Subject:      Re[2]: underarm and body deoderant



     Hello all



I know that the starch in cornstarch can

make yeast problems worse and learned the

hard way that I have to avoid its use.  Is

arrow root also a starch?  Baking soda?





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 13:48:20 -0500

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From:         Jerry Cott <jcott@HELIX.NIH.GOV>

Subject:      Natural products RFA



 For anyone who might be interested, NIDA has just released an RFA: "Novel

Pharmacotherapies for Cocaine and Other Psychstimulant Dependence" which

emphasizes the use of natural products as potential treatments.  The RFA

number is #DA-96-003.  You can call Dr. Dorota Majewska in the NIDA

Medication Development Division to get a copy: 301/443-6270.   A letter of

intent is requested by January 19, 1996 and the full application by February

21, 1996.



Good luck!



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Jerry Cott, Ph.D.

Tel: 301/443-4527

Chief, Pharmacologic Treatment Research Program          Fax: 301/443-6000

National Institute of Mental Health                       e-mail:

jcott@helix.nih.gov



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 20:43:34 -0700

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From:         Roger Bastin <bastinkk@CUCI.NL>

Subject:      Re: Looking for the Herb "Ocimum Sanctum"



>Make sure you also look for info. under _Ocimum tenuiflorum_, the correct

>Latin name for this species.



Now you've said, I've looked it up in the index of the Royal Hort. Soc. and

indeed it states that Ocimum sanctum is no valid name and it should be

replaced by Ocimum tenuiflorum? That's a pity it was such a nice and simple

name? But most nurseries and seed companies will keep on using  O.sanctum

for a while.



Can you also help with the nomenclature problems in the genus Santolina?

The more I look that up, the more difficult it gets.



Thank you



Roger Bastin

Kruidenkwekerij V.O.F. Roger & Linda Bastin

Kruiden, Geurplanten en bijzondere tuinplanten

Trichterweg 148a, 6446 AT Brunssum, Nederland, Tel.: **31-45-5231475,

Email; bastinkk@cuci.nl



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 10:26:29 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: I am fourteen, sage IS a ...

Comments: cc: MrBoyMan@AOL.COM



>Date:    Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:27:07 -0500

>From:    Brian Conkerton <MrBoyMan@AOL.COM>

>Subject: Re: I am fourteen, sage IS a ...

>

>I suggest you tell your parents now.  That peircing can often becomes

>infected and sometimes rather badly im afraid. I do not suggest any herbal

>treatment until you are seen by a M.D.    An infection of that type can cause

>deep scaring; something i'm sure you want to avoid.   So please tell your

>parents today. Good luck!!



Well - how unhelpful!

A teenager asks for herbal advice and you want him to go to an MD and

confess his secret to his parents!



Listen, use goldenseal powder (expensive but you don't need much) if

it starts to become infected:

otherwise at bedtime calendula ointment or wash with strong calendula tea

just to keep it regularly clean.



Say zip to your p's



regards

Jonathan

 (herbalist and parent of teenage male!)



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 14 Dec 1995 07:44:12 -0500

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From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Re: Looking for the Herb "Ocimum Sanctum" - Reply



ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV> writes:



> >> I bought Holy Basil from the Park Seed Catalog, Greenville, SC.  Very

> easy to grow, but I didn't like the cloying, weedy smell.  They also have

> lemon basil and several other varieties.



I don't know what Park's "holy" basil is, but I do know that virtually

*all* of the "holy" basil sold on the wholesale seed trade is not holy

(O. sanctum) at all.  It is what Helen Darrah called "spice" basil, a

hybrid of undetermined parentage, probably O. canum x O. basilicum.



Conrad Richter



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:56:30 -0800

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From:         Shaula Evans <sevans@AWINC.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbs and jetlag



At  7:48 AM 12/13/95 -0500, Mary F Leunissen wrote:

>        Not in Canada any more! Our govt. has decided we shouldn't be

>taking melatonin without supervision.    Mary L.



which is not to say you can't get it if you know where to look....there's a

very strong pro-melatonin, pro-health, anti-government underground where I

live...



Shaula





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:37:44 PST

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From:         Cafe Building 8 <cafe8@MICROSOFT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Need good healing thoughts



 Message-ID: red-37-msg951214194414MTP[01.51.00]000000a3-46044



                Value of a Smile

It costs nothing, but creates much.

It enriches those who receive, without impoverishing those who give.

It happens in a flash and the memory of it sometimes lasts forever.

None are so rich they can get along without it, and none so poor

   but are richer for its benefits.

It creates happiness in the home, fosters good will in a business,

   and is the countersign of friends.

It is rest to the weary, daylight to the discouraged, sunshine to the sad,

   and Nature's best antidote for trouble.

Yet it cannot be bought, begged, borrowed, or stolen, for it is

   something that is no earthly good to anybody till it is given away.

For nobody needs a smile so much as those who have none left to give!!!!



  -unknown

----------

"The real  voyage of discovery consists not in

seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes."



 -Marcel Proust



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:54:26 -0500

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From:         "Sherwood S. Tucker" <DDS1@AOL.COM>

Subject:      POISON ORANGE ?



Apparently lemon leaves are OK - are ORANGE leaves OK to use as a floating

punch decoration?



dds1@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:54:15 -0500

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From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      New Herb Site



HerbNet will be the community gateway to all things herbal on the Internet.

 A partnership between The Herb Growing & Marketing Network and GardenNet,

HerbNet will be the community gateway to al things herbal on the internet.

Visitors to HerbNet will find guides, reviews and pointers to herb resources,

both online and off.  HerbNet Magazine will bring articles from the best

writers around the world. The Best of Herbs will offer herbal products,

plants, seeds, books, and periodicals for sale online in a secure

environment. HerbNet Info will provide visitors a way to request catalogs

online, cownload catalogs or use a database for visitors to find the answer

to "Where can I find?" A subsection of HerbNet, HerbWorld will be for

wholesalers and growers only.  In short there is a place for all herb

businesses--whether you be a mail order catalog, school, publication,

publisher, supplier, garden, association or event...to reach out to the herb

enthusiasts ont he Internet.



If you respond by January 5, you will be included in the demonstration

version that will be shown during the Herb Business Winter Getaway Conference

in Albuquerque, NM, Jan 31-Feb 4,.  You will also be able to lock in a year's

service at the introductory pricing.  Contact Cheryl Trine,

GardenNet@olympus.net for more information.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 00:13:27 CST

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From:         Mary Jacobs <U45301@UICVM.BITNET>

Subject:      Excessive X-ray Exposure and Leukemia

Comments: To: HOLISTIC LISTSERV <holistic@siucvmb.bitnet>



A while ago a person posted something about the

correlation between excessive x-ray exposure on

one repeatedly x-rayed area of the body with an

increase in the likelihood of developing leukemia.



Could this person, or anyone else, comment on

citations that would substantiate this

statement, or point out any other hazards of

excessive x-ray exposure on one particular

area of the body, or also cumulatively over

a lifetime.



Thanks.



Mary



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 08:17:38 -0800

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Alternative treatments for MS

In-Reply-To:  <m0tOHP4-000r5pC@orcalink.com>



On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Bim Miles wrote:



> I have just been disgnosed with multiple sclerosis.  So far it is very mild,

> so "drug" treatment does not really interest me.   I am curious if anyone

> has information about alternative treatments for the management of MS.  I'm

> especially interested in personal experiences, both from the user's

> standpoint and the treatment provider.

>

> Any help would be greatly appreciated!



Hello, I have worked with people with M.S. Clients and family members.  I

would suggest working with someone in your area so that the approach can

be tailored to your unique individual constitution, Here are the general

guidelines I have worked with.

      1) very low fat diet, however don't cut back to much on essential

fatty acids, evening primrose oil, flax seed etc. can be good sources

      2)A nervine support blend, St Johns wort has been very effective in

many situations, a common blend I use is equal parts: fresh St. John's

Wort, (Hypericum perforatum), Fresh Scullcap, (Scutellaria latifolia)

Wild Oat, (Avena sativa), as tincture 30-60 drops 3 times a day.

      3) A stress relief blend to take as needed. I find avoiding stress

is absolutely critical, since the nervous system is already compromised.

Going to bed at the first sign of an attack is important as well.

     4) An alterative herb taken on a regular basis can be helpful in

supporting underlying systems and promoting healing. Pick one that seems

to fit you constitutionally the best. (that's where a local healer can be

helpful, there are hundreds of alterative herbs)

 Good Luck email me privately if you want or have questions

Colette Gardiner     coletteg@efn.org



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 08:51:52 -0800

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Goldenseal

In-Reply-To:  <9511118187.AA818704534@SMTP.PACTIDE.NOAA.GOV>



On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, John LoConte wrote:



>      Does anyone have any experience culivating goldenseal?  How long does

>      it take to get a crop?  Can it be grown in the Pacific Northwest?

>      Thanks.    jloconte@pactide.noaa.gov



Goldenseal is rather picky about it's growing situation, you can grow it

here but it tends to develop a fungus and decline. I have seen it grow ok

here if it was lavished with much love and attention. Ideally it prefers

deep rich, humusy soil with light shade from decidous trees. With

persistance you may have some luck.

Colette Gardiner    coletteg@efn.org



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:00:15 -0800

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Looking for the Herb "Ocimum Sanctum"

In-Reply-To:  <951211183956_51215726@emout04.mail.aol.com>



On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Reid Winick wrote:



> Commonly found in India and referred to as "Tulsi."  Do you have any info?

>  Thanks.



As you may know it is a type of basil.I know of several herb seed

catalogs that carry it including

Richters -  email orderdesk@richters.com

Seeds of Change P.O. 15700, Santa Fe NM, USA



Colette Gardiner coletteg@efn.org



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:34:12 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: I am fourteen, sage IS a problem!

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%95121413073155@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



On Wed, 13 Dec 1995, B Bonnell wrote:



> Scent of sage...

[...]

> marijuana.  They got slipped, anyway, however.



"slipped"?????



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:39:04 -0800

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From:         Susan Battle <sbattle@AGORA.RDROP.COM>

Subject:      Re: Looking for the Herb "Ocimum Sanctum"

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SUN.3.91.951215085245.14686B-100000@garcia.efn.org>



> On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, Reid Winick wrote:

>

> > Commonly found in India and referred to as "Tulsi."  Do you have any info?

> >  Thanks



Nichols also carries this seed.

1190 North Pacific Hwy

Albany, OR 97321-4580



Susan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:57:52 -0800

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From:         Julia Carter <julia@SIRIUS.COM>

Subject:      Clary Sage



Could anyone on this list please pass on some information about Clary Sage

(i.e. botanical name, preferred method of preparation and uses)?   I am

especially interested in any information on this herb or on any others that

are reputed to stimulating dreaming.



Thanks in advance,



Julia



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:25:40 +0600

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From:         Zahavazeva the Great <NMILLS@LAB.NEWMAN.K12.LA.US>

Organization: Isidore Newman School

Subject:      something  I heard



please pardon my typing...

I was on walk the other day and I spotted a vine growing over a fence

in someones yard

it was pretty nodescript exept that it had bumpy orange ovoid pods

like the decorative gourds they sell in the grocery store sometimes,

about  one and a half inches in diameter

 I found out later that when they are ripe they bust and inside are

seeds covered in a kind of red stuff and they are edible, just like

pomegranate seeds

The person who owned the yard with the vine said that it grew in

Jamaica (where he is from) and that he has been drinking a tea made

from its leaves the whole  of his life ( when I met him he had enough

time to grow a long white beard)

he said it  was beneficial to health and such

he compared  the tea or maybe it was the vine to something he said

was similar to  it which sounded like "da treee sixes." I dont know

whether he meant "666" or the three sixes  or what

and I wasnt about to go and try any of the tea,

but im still quite curious...

has anyone  ever heard of anything remotely resembling what I

described?

thanks, Naa Koshie in New Orleans   nmills@lab.newman.k12.la.us



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:00:01 PST

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From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      fixative alternatives



Hello all,



        Heres a different topic to chat about right now.  Over the years there

have been many fixatives used in potpouriis, pomanders, fresheners, etc to soak

up the perfumes and essential fragrance oils, hold on to them, then to release

them slowly over long periods of time.  Many new creative fixatives have been

brought out by inventive minds like sea glass and porous material like

ceramic,etc.  So, I'm asking if any of you would like to take the time to jot

down, if this is applicable to you, what type of fixatives you use or know

someone does or experiment with that is besides the traditional stuff like

orris root, oakmoss, etc.  It could be ideas you have been running through your

head for awhile, anything is worth sharing.

If you don't want to post to the group feel free to post to me.



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 20:09:26 -0500

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From:         Sandra Hoffman <ghidra@INFOWEB.MAGI.COM>

Subject:      Re: Excessive X-ray Exposure and Leukemia

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%95121508255902@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, Mary Jacobs wrote:

>

> Could this person, or anyone else, comment on

> citations that would substantiate this

> statement, or point out any other hazards of

> excessive x-ray exposure on one particular

> area of the body, or also cumulatively over

> a lifetime.



Don't think any study was done or anything ever written up about it but

my father and his co-workers were x-rayed yearly as a check for

silicosis. they were working in an occupation which has high rates of

silicosis. Sufficient extra cases of lung canacer over what would be the

norm for that population were noted that the yearly x-rays were

terminated. they were getting higher rates of lung cancer than they were

getting of silicosis by the time they stopped the yearly x-rays.



It was also the norm in this industry to provide salt tablets to

compensate for losses from sweating. It was very hot work especially in

the summers. This was changed when they started getting abnormally high

rates of high blood pressure.



He worked as a core maker in a foundry. The core is the mold that hot

metal is poured into to make things like faucets.



sph



ghidra@magi.com



"This will do," said the bunyip to himself.

"No one can see me here. I can be as handsome as I like."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 16 Dec 1995 01:21:22 GMT

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From:         Teri Pieper <tpieper@ATNET.NET>

Subject:      Re: Clary Sage

Comments: To: Julia Carter <julia@SIRIUS.COM>



Clary sage is easy to grow from seeds.  Nichols nursery in Oregon is where I

purchased my original seeds.  I am pretty sure it is a biennial, putting out a

rosette the first year and then a stalk the second year.  However I have had

flowering in the first year occasionally.  It makes lots of seeds that seem to

sprout happily wherever they land.  The plants can be hard to get rid of once

they get started - the roots are extensive and grip the soil with a vengance.

The flowers are wonderfully aromatic, somewhat reminiscent of grapefruit, they

also dry nicely.  I have never used it as a dream stimulant although with the

fragrance I can see how that would be possible.  The flowers produce an oily

sap type substance that will stay with you giving you that strong fragrance.

It doesn't trasnplant real easily due to its tap root, but I have had some

success.



Hope this helps

Teri Pieper



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 21:27:59 -0500

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From:         Judith Rasoletti <rasolett@FIU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: something I heard

In-Reply-To:  <33524576215@lab.newman.k12.la.us>



This fast-growing vine takes over our garden in no time and I have always

wondered if it has healing properties - the birds love the seeds of these

pumpkin-like fruit!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 15 Dec 1995 22:30:10 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      re new herb site



>From:    Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

>Subject: New Herb Site

>

>HerbNet will be the community gateway to all things herbal on the Internet.



er.....who sez?



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 16 Dec 1995 09:42:11 -0500

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From:         Michael Meyer <parallax@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Re: something  I heard



On Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:25:40 +060 in Email: All you wrote:

: please pardon my typing...

: I was on walk the other day and I spotted a vine growing over a fence

: in someones yard

: it was pretty nodescript exept that it had bumpy orange ovoid pods

: like the decorative gourds they sell in the grocery store sometimes,

: about  one and a half inches in diameter

:  I found out later that when they are ripe they bust and inside are

: seeds covered in a kind of red stuff and they are edible, just like

: pomegranate seeds

: The person who owned the yard with the vine said that it grew in

: Jamaica (where he is from) and that he has been drinking a tea made

: from its leaves the whole  of his life ( when I met him he had enough

: time to grow a long white beard)

: he said it  was beneficial to health and such

: he commpared  the tea or maybe it \was the vine to something he said

: was similar to  it which sounded like "da treee sixes." I doont know

: whether he meant "666" or the three sixes  or what

: and I wasnt about to go and try any of the tea,

: but im still quite curious...

: has anyone  ever heard of anything remotely resembling what I

: described?

: thanks, Naa Koshie in New Orleans   nmills@lab.newman.k12.la.us



I believe what you saw was a Chinese Flame vine. It grows wild on fences

and everywhere else in S. Florida. The local Jamaican transplants make

a tea from it's leaves to reduce fever, etc... I haven't tried it and

wouldn't until I was *POSITIVE* that it wasn't toxic!!! Hope this helps.

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:03:24 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: re new herb site



Trust Maureen.  If anyone knows, she does!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:35:44 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: re new herb site

In-Reply-To:  <199512160630.WAA12145@desiree.teleport.com>



On Fri, 15 Dec 1995, jonathan treasure wrote:



> >From:    Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

> >Subject: New Herb Site

> >

> >HerbNet will be the community gateway to all things herbal on the Internet.

>

> er.....who sez?



Who Sez?  Why, the person(s) planning to charge us for doing us this favor.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:12:01 -0800

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From:         Susan Battle <sbattle@AGORA.RDROP.COM>

Subject:      Re: Clary Sage

In-Reply-To:  <M.121595.172123.02@tpieper>



In regards to Clary Sage having a wonderfully aromatic, sweet fragrance-

The "fragrance" is in the nose of the smeller. Personally, the flower of

the Clary Sage smells like a very ripe human armpit to me. If you brush

against it, you must wash your clothes and SCRUB in the shower- it just

continues this gift of fragrance until totally removed.



I was very surprised. To each her own.

Susan

sbattle@agora.rdrop.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 16 Dec 1995 18:52:11 EST

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From:         B Bonnell <BBONNELL@KENTVM.KENT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: I am fourteen, sage IS a problem!

In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:34:12 -0800 from

              <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>



Sorry...

Didn't realize I was using a local term.  When I said my friends got

"slipped" for buring sage in their dorm, the smoke being mistaken for marijuana,

I meant that they got cited.  KSU security has the blue slip (minor

infraction) and the white slip (summons to conduct court).

Hope this clarifyed things a little.



                             The Javaman

                             bbonnell@kentvm.kent.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:42:17 -0500

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Traditional Smudging herb



In a message dated 95-12-12 04:05:24 EST, howieb@TELEPORT.COM (Howie

Brounstein) writes:



>Be warned - thujone IS dangerous, no matter what that FAQ says.



If thujone is so dangerous, what are we to make of it as the primary

constituent of artemisia? Are we endangering ourselves whenver we inhale it?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:24:58 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: re new herb site



As a new subscriber to this list I must say I was rather surprised by two

rather unkind remarks made in regard to a posting of a new web site for

herbs. Most of us who have been active in the herb industry over the past

ten years know Maureen personally. And, if anyone can pull together an

internet site for all things herbal, it's her. As former Director of the

International Herb Growers & Marketers Asso. and now her own herb network

(the largest and fastest growing in the US, which encompasses a bimonthly

trade publication, annual conferences, and a resource guide that lists more

than 5,000 herb businesses throughout the US and the rest of world) I,

along Dr. Peter Gail, am confident that the amount of information

eventually available at this site be plentiful. Additionally, this site is

being done in connection with Cheryl Trine's GardenNet, one of the largest

and best gardening sites on the web to date.

As far as a possible charge for this in the future, I only have to say that

as a freelance writer who recently became an expatriate begrudgingly I

welcome all sources of information. Where I live a good library is

non-existent. So for those of us who make our livings through sharing

information (sometimes for pay, often for free) I can only say that anyone

willing to put in the hard work of gathering information into one place is

ok with me. Afterall, isn't that what browsers such as Netscape have done??



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:30:00 -0700

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From:         Tommy Clonts <TCLONTS@EAC.CC.AZ.US>

Subject:      Thanks, recipes, info, ect..



        I would like to say thanks to everyone, (a LOT of everyones!) who

sent me info on my belly button piercing.  The general response was YOU

STUPID KID, TELL YOUR PARENTS! YOU REBEL!, but, there were some people who

wanted to help.

        Lots of people suggewsted the use of marigold cream, tee tree oil,

and even sliced garlic. I tried them all, and i have had no problems since!

I ordered a tea tree from richters, and i made my own oil (thanks Michael

Moore). i mixed it with candula cream, and it worked!

        Someone suggested that i put sliced garlic on with a bandaid.  I

used minced garlic, and i think that it's working!

        My grandma is the Queen of Yardsales, and she bought me a book

called Wild Wood Wisdom.  It is so old that it doesn't have an isbn number.

 Anyway, it suggested the use of creasote infusion for its astringient properties.

 I have used that as a wash, and it smells like rain! Cool! (don't

burn this stuff, my journalism teacher is a hippie, and he says that it can

scald your lungs and poison you!)



        Thanks again, tommy.



P.S. I am sorry for the horrible spelling!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:22:29 -0500

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From:         Marilynne Durrett-Johnson <Mjbdj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Thanks, recipes, info, ect..



Tommy,



You lucky duck!  Wild Wood Wisdom sounds like my kind of book!



Melle



mjbdj@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:21:13 -0600

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From:         Karen Mason <karen@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Re: Thanks, recipes, info, ect..



Tommy another that is quite traditional is neosporin. I used that when I had

my ears done years ago! I put a little on the post and then inserted it.

Never had an infection!



Good Luck

btw my son is 13! no rings yet ...at least that I know! <G>



At 01:30 PM 12/17/95 -0700, Tommy Clonts wrote:

>        I would like to say thanks to everyone, (a LOT of everyones!) who



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:40:29 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      re new herb site....



>>>From:    Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

>>>HerbNet will be the community gateway to all things herbal on the Internet.



>>er.....who sez?



>>    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>



>Date:    Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:03:24 -0500

>From:    Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

>Subject: Re: re new herb site

>

>Trust Maureen.  If anyone knows, she does!



er ...who is Maureen, pray,  and what exactly does she know?

(apart from evidently very little about the internet that is)

and indeed, who are you and how do you know Maureen who

to those that knowknows whatever she knows ?



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:42:21 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: re new herb site....



To Jonathan Treasure and anyone else who cares

To find out who Maureen Rogers and Cheryl Trine are, read Chris Utterbach's

posting of a few hours ago.  To find out who Peter Gail is, read Business of

Herbs.  There are several schools of herbalists, I suppose, but there is a

network of those who make our living growing, marketing, and sharing

information about things herbal who pretty much travel in the same crowd -

members of International Herb Association, Maureen's Herb Growers Network,

and so on --- which includes the likes of Ed Smith from HerbPharm, Ron

Zimmerman of Herb Farm, Ed Alstadt of Ecclectic Institute, Rosemary Gladstar,

Susun Weed, Dr. Jim Duke, Steven Foster, Laura Clavio, Dr. Jim Simon, Dr.

Varro Tyler, Mark Blumenthal of Herbal Gram, Dr. Arthur Tucker, Paula and

David Oliver of Northwind Farm, and so on----, an extremely diverse lot.   I

can't speak for them, but would suppose that If Maureen said that she was

going to start an HerbNet on the WWW and that it would be the biggest, most

would believe that it will happen.



I guess that says it all, except to ask, "And who are *you*, that you have to

ask?"  Sign on to the HerbNet and you will probably get to know most of these

folks.



Peter Gail



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Date:         Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:28:00 PST

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From:         "Dr. Mustatab Ahmad" <mustatab@DRAHMAD.BRAIN.COM.PK>

Organization: Dr. Mustatab Ahamad.





Hi,

I am new to this group and would like to know if somebody could help me

with the following herbs information and also where I could find the seeds

for these herbs. I have used in one of the chronic diseases and found

wonderfull results but unable to find the seeds as the herbs are

procurable from local market and are brought from some other country.

1- MEADOWSAFFRON

2- ZINGIBER (GINGER)

3- PIPERLONGUM/ PIPERLENGUM

4- W. SOMNIFERA / WINTERCHEREY



Thanks in advance

Dr. Mustatab Ahmad

mustatab@drahmad.brain.com.pk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:57:10 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      re new herb site



>Date:    Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:24:58 +0800

>From:    chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

>Subject: Re: re new herb site

>

>As a new subscriber to this list I must say I was rather surprised by two

>rather unkind remarks made in regard to a posting of a new web site for

>herbs. Most of us who have been active in the herb industry over the past

>ten years know Maureen personally. And, if anyone can pull together an

>internet site for all things herbal, it's her.



Hi Chris,



Thank you for clarifying who Maureen is and telling us about all her good

 work. I'm she sure will be glad to have such a gallante. I do not think you

 have seen the point however -

It is always slightly tragicomic when people think that their particular

 cabbage patch is the whole garden.The unfortunate phrase "All things

 herbal" includes, amongst many more:  botanical medicine, ethnobotany,

 pharmacognosy,  therapeutics, clinical research, history philosophy of

 alternative medicine, culinary spices, pharmacy, taxonomy, toxicology,

 statutory  regulation, shamanism, asian systems,  searchable databases,

 orthodox medical resources etc etc etc etc etc ad nauseam as well as

 herbal product retail, wholesale and manufacture and commerce. Despite

 Maureen's experience, dedication and apparently unsolicted testimonials

 there is no doubt that she  will be unable to encompass, nor could anyone,

 all these areas within one site, be it a gateway, jumpsite or anything else



The remarks were not unkind- if you'd been around the net longer, never mind

 this list,

you (they)  would have a slightly thicker skin by now...they  come from

 people also genuinely interested in all things herbal, but clearly with

 more experience of matters relating to the internet than those AOL

 subscribers who started this thread in the first place.  The net is NOT

 North American, (remember the EEC, East Europe, Scandinavia, etc etc???) nor

 does it reside in AOL, or even the web,  anymore than all things

 herbal are to do with product manufacture and gardening . Many people have

 battled to improve the quality of discourse about herbs and herbalism on

 the net for a number of years, and daily do unpaid work for this, and if I

 were to give you a list of names, my guess is that you  (or even Maureen)

 would probably say .... er who? just as I did.



Overblown, factually misleading claims made by people with vested interest

 in product not knowledge abound on the net, principally of course the web,

 and regrettably herbs have their fair share.  If Maureen wishes her new

 site to be taken seriously, then perhaps exaggerated and innaccurate claims

 would be best consigned to the out of town malls

and cable TV ads where they belong. Sometimes one can even almost conceive

 a bizarre sympathy for the FDA's stance on claims regarding labelling of

 herbal products.......



For further details on herbalism and the net you, or Maureen,  might

 consider pts 1&2 of an article (by myself) <On-Line Resources for

 Herbalists> published in The European Journal of Medical Herbalism , issues

 3 &4 1995. If I could be of any assistance, I would be happy to be so.



best wishes

Jonathan



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:17:53 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: re new herb site....

In-Reply-To:  <951218084220_93322614@emout06.mail.aol.com>



On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Peter Gail wrote:



> To Jonathan Treasure and anyone else who cares

> To find out who Maureen Rogers and Cheryl Trine are, read Chris Utterbach's

[...]

> I guess that says it all, except to ask, "And who are *you*, that you have to

> ask?"  Sign on to the HerbNet and you will probably get to know most of these

> folks.



I don't particularly want to fan the flames (actually, I'm usually

perverse enough to do so :-).



No doubt there are a number of folks who'd benefit from a 'HerbNet',

including yours truly.  The thing that raised my ire was the hint that

(a) it was going to be an exclusive club and (b) that it was going to

cost $$$, and (c) the hint that not joining was going to be detrimental

to your business well-being (being left out in the cold by the gate keeper).



Now, all of this may turn out to be true.  Having found how well a free

($$$ and open access) forum works, I am not sure that I see a need for

paying for a less open forum.



To sum it up - the original post just rubbed me the wrong way.



Jack vL



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:49:03 -0500

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From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: re new herb site



Jonathon & others,

First let me clarify that the Herb Growing and Marketing Network is not

merely in North America....we have members in 15 countries including large

numbers in Australia/New Zealand and Europe.   And it's not an aol

thing....just because I use aol as my major provider.  Cheryl Trine of

GardenNet is the technical expertise behind HerbNet.  GardenNet has been

listed as the premier site on gardening on the Internet since it's inception

almost a year ago.  Cheryl has taught classes on using the internet not only

in this country but in Japan (in Japanese).  And because the herb industry

and interest is so diverse, this Network and HerbNet will encompass it

all....ethnobotany, medicinal research, shamanism, and of course the

commercial end (which is my specialty)....and we're not talking about

multi-level programs here.  Within HerbNet growers can list crops and

availability, both retail and wholesale businesses can list their catalogs,

other web sites can have links.  The consultants involved have a vast array

of experience in their various fields and we're looking for others that want

to become involved.  Regarding charges....to use HerbNet there are no fees at

this point....there may be some later related to indepth research....the

charges for site links or catalog postings are minimal.  So before you

criticize too much check in with Cheryl at GardenNet@olympus.net to get all

the details and find out what's possible.  Wouldn't it be nice to have one

place to find all the herb related sites out there in cyberspace?



Maureen

The Herb Growing and Marketing Network at HERBWORLD@aol.com



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From:         Beth - PCBU Staffing & Planning - 244-7467

              <rollins@AKOCOA.ENET.DEC.COM>

Subject:      Rodent repellent



Hi,



Can anyone recommend an herbal rodent repellent?  Are there

any species of mint more suitable for use than other (i.e.,

would any of the better known insect repelling mints

have the same effect on mice)?  Anything that can be used

in conjunction with mints?



We're overrun with mice!



thanks,

beth



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:46:07 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: re new herb site



Re: Jonathan Treasure's last post:



Even though it seems that some misunderstandings started this all, this has

been an extremely useful discussion.  Thank you Jonathan, for perspective.

Even some of us who have been around a little while (6 months or so),

sometimes I forget that this is an international forum and that many of us

have no way of knowing one another and  what we are involved with.  It might

be useful to have introductions:  On another list we have been asked  to, on

the day of our birthday, post a short profile letting everyone know who

he/she is , what their background is, and how they are involved,

professionally or otherwise, with herbs.  Is this useful here?



Unfortunately, there is no way of knowing, from e-mail addresses alone, where

you are geographically, unless you include a .sig line which tells us. .

Michael Bailes is clearly from Australia.  His signature says so.  And we

have our friend from Finland, etc.  Not having seen Jonathan Treasure's posts

on this list before, the only indication I now have that you operate in

Europe is the reference to your articles on On-Line Resources for Herbalists

in the European Journal of Medical Herbalism, which I would love to see.  And

the only way I knew that Chris Utterbach was in Malaysia for the next three

years, rather in Connecticut USA where I just assumed she still was, was from

her post to me personally this morning.



Thank you, Jonathan, for introducing yourself. in this last post.  It is good

to know you.  As for me, I am a Ph.D. botanist (Rutgers University) who has

spent my life studying how various cultures use backyard weeds for food and

medicine, and have seven full file drawers of recipes, remedies, folk tales,

etc for some 135 different species, including over 700 recipes from 48

countries for Taraxacum officinale. For 16 years I was administrator and

professor at Cleveland State University in Cleveland Ohio, leaving there to

establish Goosefoot Acres Center for Wild Vegetable Research and Education in

1988.,    I write for a lot of magazines and newspapers, including a regular

column called "On the Trail of the Volunteer Vegetable" for the Business of

Herbs,.( an international trade journal for herb growers and marketers, the

publishers of which are also members of this list.  They can be reached

through doliver@minerva.polarstel.net, or Northwind Farms Publications, RR2

Box  246 Shevlin, MN 56676-9535), and am the author of "The Dandelion

Celebration: A Guide to Unexpected Cuisine", "The Delightful Delicious

Daylily", and a book containing historical, culinary and medicinal profiles

of around 30 common backyard weeds (in the US, and I expect elsewhere, since

just about everything we have here was imported from somewhere else!).

 Currently it is called "The Goosefoot Acres Volunteer Vegetable Sampler",

but in its new life it will be called "The Totally Free Lunch: Harvesting

Your Backyard" and will be available in spring 1996.  Currently I am also

developing a Directory of Edible Wild Plant Educators, with the hopes that

people interested in learning to identify and use the wild plants around them

will find someone knowledgable to instruct them no more than 50 miles away.

Anyone who has names, addresses, etc to contribute to this, be they in the

US or elsewhere, please e-mail them to me so they can be included.



In response to Jonathan's question, I guess that's sort of who I am.  It

could also, I suppose, be construed at the first of the introductions I

suggested we might do so we can all get to know one another.



Jonathan, if you have read this far and have the articles you mentioned

available for downloading, I would love to have them.  If they could be sent

in ascii format, it would be best.  Otherwise they could be sent to Goosefoot

Acres, P.O. Box 18016, Cleveland, OH 44118.  (216)932-2145.



Peter Gail

Goosefoot Acres Center for WIld Vegetable Research and Education

P.O. Box 18016, Cleveland, OH 44118  216-932-2145



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:29:27 -0400

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From:         Eve Layman <LAYMAN@BCRSSU.AGR.CA>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent



Hmmm.... How about a cat?

Eve



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:21:32 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      re new herb site (again)

Comments: cc: Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>, Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>



Well - things are becoming clearer, thankyou at last,  Peter and Maureen

for your explanations.



Peter - I could easily have written the script of names for your group of N

American growers/mfrs, some of whom I know personally, (as to the others

I'd have thought twice about including Susun Weed in the same paragraph as

Tyler just for decency's sake, and the omissions speak as loudly as the

included) so there's no need to try and impress with credentials - the

AGENDA was what I was after. Similarly Maureen, teaching Japanese people

about the internet in any language at all does not immediately spring to

mind as essential preequiste of the proposed project - but then maybe I am

just obtuse as well as perverse. It has taken a considerable amount of

huffing and puffing from you  to obtain simple factual information for us,

and a lot of time could have been saved if your signal to noise ratio were

better in the first instance.



The point that neither of you have taken is that the initial post

incorporated  exaggerated hype - intentional or not -  and whether or not you

still (as Maureen clearly does) believe the claim that a north american

herb-commerce based umbrella group can  be the "gateway to all things

herbal on the internet" is something that, if your motives, agenda and

credentials are so impeccable, will no doubt become clear in the course of

time, and I wish you well for your venture  (I will certainly send for the

details).



You should know, since you have not (as far as I am aware) been regular

long term contributors to this list,  that HERB-List has been subject to

numerous  more or less outrageous or pathetic marketing spams and MLM japes

typically ranging from Maleleuca rip offs to kombucha con-trix over a

period of years. This context creates a wholly valid hypersensitivity to

commercial hype, and is common in those parts of the net that are

explicitly non commercial and always have been like Usenet and LISTSERV

lists. (Jests about AOL are inevitable in this context of course) Added to

this, news:alt.folklore.herbs carries posts of yet another new (yawn) www

site with all the herblinks you ever wanted etc etc on an almost daily

basis so the currency is further devalued to any regular cyber-observer of

things herbal. It remains the case that currently the best sites on the net

on matters herbal are non-commercial, either maintained gratis by

individuals such as Herbal Hall, or educatational, such as Michael Moore's,

but of course that may change in the future - que sera. Anyway, for the

record, prudency might gain you more respect than rampant marketing hype in

this context.



oh yes Peter -  who am * I* to dare to ask ...

just a herbalist

(ie one of the poor sods your lots livelihood depends on mate)

best wishes

jonathan treasure



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:23:59 -0800

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From:         Bob Gorga <bobg@ORO.NET>

Subject:      Re: re new herb site....



Just when I thought this subject beaten quite enough,

some thoughts to share came along.  The beauty of the

net lies in its modularity.  Whatever HerbNet becomes,

however "all encompassing" any one site portends to be,

in the end it is just another link in the chain. Include

a jump to HerbNet in your own Web page, and your Web page

encompasses HerbNet + whatever you can contribute. And so

on into the great pyramid of information.



The only catch is our old friend commerce. If there is a subscription

charge then the free flow of information is no longer free,

and it probably will go the way of professional separatism

ala MedLine.  Sure we all need to make a living, but the Net

has been traditionally a tool for doing so, not a means in

itself.  Hopefully advertisers and perhaps consulting fees will

cover the costs, and everyone else  will have free access.

(This actually is the only way the advertising of products and

services would make any sense, since few "herbal consumers"

would pay).



Bob Gorga

California



[personal intro:  I have studied and worked with herbs for about

15 years, including therapeutics, collecting and processing herbs,

and have been a professional programmer even longer.

Currently writing herbal software with a sophisticated search and

analysis engine linked to an information base.]



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:36:54 -0600

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From:         Karen Mason <karen@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Re: Kumbucha Mushroom tea



Guess it sounds to good to those of us who dont know our Dynasty's!



Karen Mason



>: Proponents of the tea say its use dates as far back as China's Tsung Dynasty

>: in 221 BC."

>

>Any scientifically based article that makes up the name of a nonexistent

>Dynasty has my vote!

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:44:42 -0600

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From:         Karen Mason <karen@GATE.NET>

Subject:      Re: re new herb site



Do you mind sharing any interesting recipes? Ones that are unique and my be

of interest to all of us?



>including over 700 recipes from 48

>countries for Taraxacum officinale. For 16 years I was administrator and

>professor at Cleveland State University in Cleveland Ohio, leaving there to

>establish Goosefoot Acres Center for Wild Vegetable Research and Education in

>1988.,



karen mason

orlando fl



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:09:25 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: re new herb site



At 16:49 18.12.95 -0500, HERBWORLD@aol.com wrote:

>Wouldn't it be nice to have one

>place to find all the herb related sites out there in cyberspace?



... yes. And then the links expire...



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress          HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland.

                    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:24:02 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: journal info



>Re: Jonathan Treasure's last post:

I had not heard of the European Journal of Medical Herbalism. Would you be

kind enough to pass along information as to where this journal can be

accessed. I, too would love to see your article regarding the internet. Is

it available? Thank you.



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:28:57 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: journal info



At 15:24 19.12.95 +0800, chris utterback wrote:

>>Re: Jonathan Treasure's last post:

>I had not heard of the European Journal of Medical Herbalism. Would you be

>kind enough to pass along information as to where this journal can be

>accessed.



(look Jonathan, I beat you to it!)



The European Journal of Herbal Medicine (Phytotherapy):

The Journal of The National Institute of Medical Herbalists.



Rather new, Vol. 1 No. 1 was the Winter 1994 issue; which is out of print

now (but I got a copy nonetheless - I'm privileged...). The rest can

be ordered as backissues. 3 issues per year.



Price:

  UK Individual        GBP 17.50

     Institutional     GBP 25.50

  EC Individual        GBP 20.00

     Institutional     GBP 28.50

  Overseas Individual  GBP 25.50

     Institutional     GBP 31.50

(Tehehe. For once we Europeans get our subscriptions cheaper than you

 'mercans!)



Backissues (if I remember right)

  Vol. 1 No. 2         GBP 3.50

  Vol. 1 No. 3         GBP 6.50



Send orders (marked EJHM on the envelope) to

  Medical Herbalists

  56 Longbrook Street, Exeter,

  Devon, EX4 6AH, UK,

  Europe.



They don't take Visa, but check or money-order is OK.



My personal review of this journal: Boy! It's Good. And you should see

how they trashed Tylers books in the review in the Autumn/Winter 1995

issue...



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress          HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland.

                    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:03:55 -0500

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From:         Robert S Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Essential Oils



If it works, it works.  It really doesn't matter what you call it!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:11:25 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Dandelion recipes

Comments: To: karen@gate.net

Comments: cc: listserv@vm.ege.edu.tr



Karen Mason asked if I mind sharing interesting dandelion recipes.  Not at

all.  Several columns have been devoted to them, including a booklet of the

best recipes from the the 1995 National Dandelion Cookoff, which we sponsor,

but nothing is in a form to send e-mail.  Anyone interested in dandelion

recipes, post your snail-mail address to petergail@aol.com, and we will send

a bunch down to you.



Peter Gail,

Goosefoot Acres Press, P.O.Box 18016, Cleveland, OH 44116-0016 (216)932-2145

Publishers of The Dandelion Celebration: A Guide to Unexpected Cuisine and

others.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:14:14 CST

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From:         Carla Freeman <cjfreeman@MAIL.MILLIKIN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent



          I too, would like to hold back these rodents.  We're using

          traps - husband must unload though.  Went through one a day,

          then nothing.  Yesterday, sick in bed with a cold and I hear

          this whinning and it managed to get himself under the sink

          cabinet.  Now do we have to undo the plumbing or let him

          rot.  Getting tired of clapping my hands each time I enter a

          room.  As for cats heard too many stories of them bringing

          them to you as their award - ALIVE.  I'd die.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:12:30 -0500

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From:         "J. Keeler" <jkeeler@MOOSE.UVM.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent

In-Reply-To:  <9511208194.AA819476158@mail.millikin.edu>



Listen Carla,



Get a cat.  They do bring them to you sometimes and sit there all proud

and everything, but they learn quickly if you do not like them to do

this. In this day and age no one should have to put up with rodents, so

please take care of yourself.



J in Vermont



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:04:04 GMT

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From:         Graham White Hendon Green Party <hendongreen@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      Internet resources



I was interested to read the recent dialog about "HerbNet" as I too am

suspicious of all the InterNet hype, especially the present Web mania.



I am a first year student on the B.Sc. Herbal Medicine course at Middlesex

University (London, England :-)), and as this is a new course our library is

short on the relevant reference material at present.



As part of our Pharmocognosy Module we have to write a monograph on

Raspberry leaves (Rubus ideaus), so those of us with some computer

experience went off to "surf the net" to find relevant information

especially citations of recent research. I must say that my personal results

were a complete bust! A request posted on alt.folklore.herbs elicited zero

responses. Individual e-mail messages had similar results. The various Web

sites resulted in many wasted hours as I went round in circles in an ever

expanding link to links, with lots of nice graphics but very little hard

information. (It didn't help that this was whilst there was a problem in the

transatlantic link between the UK and USA which slowed everything down).



In the end I gave up and went back to old-tech ie. I went to the Science

Library in central London and used those big paper things with ink marks all

over them.



Looks like the Information Superhighway (or the InfoBahn to us Europeans) is

still only a farm-track!



Graham White

HENDON GREEN PARTY



HENDONGREEN@GN.APC.ORG

gcw3@student.open.ac.uk

gw035@mdx.ac.uk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:44:06 -0500

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From:         Robert S Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent



Try spraying peppermint oil around,  and sprinkle menthol crystals wherever

you think the rodents abide.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:23:27 -0700

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From:         cindy waters <holistic@SEDONA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Internet resources



At 07:04 PM 12/20/95 GMT, you wrote:

>

>Looks like the Information Superhighway (or the InfoBahn to us Europeans) is

>still only a farm-track!



It seems that many of us are so busy keeping up with the mail we think

someone else will ultimately answer the questions we see posted. I have a

shop here in Sedona,AZ,USA that specializes in herbals and homeopathics. I

am not volunteering to do your homework for you, but do offer whatever

assistance I might be able to extend. I keep a fairly good library of

current books, that are available here in the States, and they might hold

information you do not have access to. See people actually do read thier mail.



Edward Taylor

Sedona Holistic Therapies, Inc.

Sedona, AZ 86351  USA

holistic@sedona.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:25:50 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re Rubus/internet etc



>Looks like the Information Superhighway (or the InfoBahn to us Europeans) is

>still only a farm-track!



Hi Graham,

You are, generally speaking, quite right about the net and herbal info!

Actually Rubus spp seem to underresearched anyway considering the long

 history of folk/traditional use etc anyway.....just a couple of pointers -

 I don't know if the Middlesex course has a NAPRALERT sub,

but you should do a three part ethnobotanical/bio activity/phamacology

 profile from that database, ( tip - always include the species!!!!if you do

 the genus only you will run up a huge bill!)

and, if you have a web browser you can get something ( not much) from the

 USDA database but its free.

Finally, ALWAYS check Michael Moore's site, whether by www or ftp you can

 obtain much of the material used in the SW School of Botanical Medicine

 courses, which has a refreshingly different orientation from standard Brit

 medical herbalism that will be your party line there.Details of these sites

 in the EJHM vols 3&4 ,1995 which your doubtless otherwise impoverished

 library is bound to have!

good luck, ( you'll need it to turn Hendon green :-) )



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:03:07 -0500

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From:         Risa Mornis <risa@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Herbalists Cookbook



I am compiling a cookbook called HERBALISTS COOKBOOK, Herbalists Share

Their Favorite Recipes. The focus will be healthy, original recipes

containing wild and cultivated herbs. Profiles of the contributing

herbalists and an appendix of their practices and businesses will be

included. If you would like to contribute request information or send 2-8

recipes, your profile and address to risa@sover.net or snailmail to the

Village Herbalist, HCR 71, Box 4a, Reading, VT 05062.



Risa Mornis

Village Herbalist Newsletter

HCR 71, Box 4A

Reading, VT 05062



Email: risa@sover.net



HERBS FIRST!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:00:53 -0500

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From:         Risa Mornis <risa@SOVER.NET>

Subject:      Re: tinctures (Short version)



As an owner of a small herbal products business I appreciate Michael Moores

extensive knowledge of tincture making and use much of this knowledge in my

own business...But if I were new to tincture making, all of that science and

math would completely turn me off. If simplicity is preferred, here is the

simple version:



For the home tincture maker- the simplers method is the easiest and

certainly effective enough for home use. Little or no measuring is needed:



-Fill a small jar to the top with fresh herb, or half way with dry herb,

-Fill the same jar with 100 or 80 proof vodka and cap it

-Let steep for 4-6 weeks or longer if you please. There is no need to rush.

If you need some of it before this time is up- strain out a little of it and

leave the rest.

-Strain out the herb using common kitchen equipment: a strainer, a cheese

cloth, or a clean kitchen towel if straining powders.

-Rebottle for use.



Risa Mornis

Village Herbalist Newsletter

HCR 71, Box 4A

Reading, VT 05062



Email: risa@sover.net





HERBS FIRST!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:24:38 -0500

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From:         Marilynne Durrett-Johnson <Mjbdj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent



Cats work for me.  I've found that females make better mousers......



Melle

mjbdj@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:05:55 -0800

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From:         Julia Carter <julia@SIRIUS.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent



>Cats work for me.  I've found that females make better mousers......



Same here.  The females are 3-4 times more successful than the males from my

observations.



Julia



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:13:56 EST

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From:         Beth - PCBU Staffing & Planning - 244-7467

              <rollins@AKOCOA.ENET.DEC.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent Repellent



Thanks for the ideas, Robert.  We'll try the peppermint oil/crystals.



We do have one cat (so far) to take care of the mice once they

are *in* the house.  We have found a place where they are getting

in (we think from under the house) and want to keep them from

getting in.  My kitchen reminds me of a scene from Willard :(

They get everywhere!  In addition to the mints, it has been suggested

that I put ferret manure at their entrance points (we have a bunch

of ferrets).  Carla, I'll let you know how it turns out (I *hate*

having to trap too).



thanks,

beth



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         "Eric D. Remington" <edr@ONTOS.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent Repellent

In-Reply-To:  <9512211506.AA27782@us1rmc.bb.dec.com> from "Beth - PCBU Staffing

              & Planning - 244-7467" at Dec 21, 95 10:13:56 am



Several years ago I had a roommate who was from Minnesota, he used

to claim that the Minneapolis Zoo sold Tiger and Lion "manure" for

people to put around their gardens etc, to keep all of the little

rodents away.



> Thanks for the ideas, Robert.  We'll try the peppermint oil/crystals.

>

> We do have one cat (so far) to take care of the mice once they

> are *in* the house.  We have found a place where they are getting

> in (we think from under the house) and want to keep them from

> getting in.  My kitchen reminds me of a scene from Willard :(

> They get everywhere!  In addition to the mints, it has been suggested

> that I put ferret manure at their entrance points (we have a bunch

> of ferrets).  Carla, I'll let you know how it turns out (I *hate*

> having to trap too).



--

Eric Remington

(W) edr@ontos.com                508-323-8264 (W)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:04:04 -0500

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From:         Laura Michaels <p004927b@PBFREENET.SEFLIN.LIB.FL.US>

Subject:      Re: Rodent Repellent

In-Reply-To:  <199512202158.QAA03604@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>



While this is not an herbal solution, several people have brought up cats

as a possible natural solution to a rodent problem.  Another alternative

is a dog.  Certain dogs in particular are bred as ratters.  When we had a

Toy Fox Terrier we never had trouble with mice and rodents.  It was only

after he died that we had the problem.  I guess it depends on whether your

a dog person or a cat person, or in some cases if you're even allowed

pets in your situation, but both dogs and cats make good, viable

solutions to the problem.  (I've also never had a dog bring a dead mouse over.)



Laura Michaels

p004927b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

http://members.aol.com/lauram3017/index.html



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:22:52 -0500

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From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent Repellent



Dear Group,

        Dachshunds,....are ratters.



Peace, Paula



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:37:36 -0800

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From:         Tania Gutierrez <tgutierr@LANE.K12.OR.US>

Subject:      Bug Repellent



While we're on the subject of animal repellents... Does anyone know how to

get rid of those moth-type bugs that get into everything that isn't sealed

(flour, cornmeal, rice, etc.)?  We bought some bulk rice at the health food

store that had some in it.  Now we can't get rid of them.  I've tried

putting everything in jars, but they are still hanging around.



I'd like to find a humane way to get rid of them without desperately

resorting to one of those bug bombs.



Thanks!

Tania Gutierrez  tgutierr@lane.k12.or.us

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        In an old folk tale, a traveler stops to bury a forlorn corpse.  Later,

        the man is saved from scoundrels and perils by a mysterious stranger

        who turns out to be... The Grateful Dead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:35:26 -0500

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From:         Robert S Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



Once they're in there you're stuck.  Bit if you have a sizeable amount of

flour etc that you wish to salvage,  stick it in the freezer and sift the

little guys out



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:01:37 -0500

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From:         Anya McCoy <rastapoo@MAGIC.WINNET.NET>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



>Once they're in there you're stuck.  Bit if you have a sizeable amount of

>flour etc that you wish to salvage,  stick it in the freezer and sift the

>little guys out



Whenever you bring a new grain/pasta/flour item into the house, put it in

the freezer for at least 48 hours.  This will kill any eggs that are in the

stuff (they ALWAYS are in there, it seems, here in Florida). Then seal the

item in an airtight container with a few bay leaves.  Also sprinkle bay

leaves in the back of your cabinets, shelves, etc.  They really help keep

bugs out of the kitchen.



You may have thought that the grain weevils were getting into your

newly-purchased items, but chances are it was the hatching eggs that

infested the new products.

*****Rastapoodl@aol.com

*****Rastapoo@winnet.net

~~~~~~~Herbalist, aromatherapist, garden designer, reggae fan

Living, laughing and enjoying life in Miami, America's frontier

"you gotta lively up yourself"  -- Bob Marley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:10:56 -0500

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From:         Marin Perusek <mperusek@FORD.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



Tania asks if anyone knows how to get rid of flour moths.  I got a pheremone

trap from Garden Alive (a garden catalog).  It's been catching some of them,

but I've also had to throw out _everything_ that wasn't tightly sealed in a

glass or plastic jar.  You can also put things in the freezer for a day or so

to kill the larvae.  I don't think there is any truly humane way to get rid

of them and my experience has been that if I don't get rid of them all, they

get into absolutely everything (including clothes and drapes).  And then you

can never count on having uninfested food when you want to cook something.



Marin



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:22:53 -0800

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From:         Tania Gutierrez <tgutierr@LANE.K12.OR.US>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



At 01:35 PM 12/21/95 -0500, you wrote:

>Once they're in there you're stuck.  Bit if you have a sizeable amount of

>flour etc that you wish to salvage,  stick it in the freezer and sift the

>little guys out

>

I've already thrown the stuff out that they got into.  The problem is that

they're still in the house, and they get into anything new I bring home.  I

want to rid my whole house of them.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:34:13 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



The moths which eat clothing and drapes are very different from those which

eat your food



For clothing and drapes, try Oil of camphor,, or gum camphor crystals



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:34:00 PST

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From:         Dorene Petersen <dorenep@EUROPA.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



I've used layers of dried  bay leaves in my botanical herb stores, seems to

help protect product but won't get rid of it if it is already infested.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:35:30 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



IRIE!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:38:04 GMT

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From:         Graham White Hendon Green Party <hendongreen@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Internet Resources



Thanks to everyone who has commented, if I can take them one-by-one :



>Probably someone thought it smelled like doing somebody elses'

>homework... you never get replies for that kind of question.

>A monograph! Really!



Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression, I was looking more for pointers

than spoon-feeding.



BTW what do you mean by the last line?



>Anyway, you could have got the archives of alt.folklore.herbs, or

>the archives of the herblist (both on my www page, once it's up

>again - tomorrow they said) (sunsite had a crash).



>And do a text search on Rubus or raspberry. Should give you plenty

>of material.



I've tried it using Yahoo etc. search engines, Rubus gives lots of stuff on

fruit and raspberry gives lots of stuff on raspberry virus!



>http://www.teleport.com/~howie/howie.html



Will do.



>I tried to list specific links to help searches like yours. I agree with

>you, most of the net is an ever expand quaqmire of graphics and more links.



Most links seem more concered to give fancy graphics than actual data, and

if you are paying for your own Internet access the cost can soon add up.



BTW in the UK local calls are NOT free!



>Carl Uncover would list bibliographic entries and small abstracts for most

>of the current professional journals.

>

>Check out these sources, especially Carl.



Could you please give the URL.



>It seems that many of us are so busy keeping up with the mail we think

>someone else will ultimately answer the questions we see posted. I have a

>shop here in Sedona,AZ,USA that specializes in herbals and homeopathics. I

>am not volunteering to do your homework for you, but do offer whatever

>assistance I might be able to extend. I keep a fairly good library of

>current books, that are available here in the States, and they might hold

>information you do not have access to. See people actually do read thier mail.



I realise this list covers people over the whole range of the herbal

spectrum, as I said previously I wasn't trying to get anyone to do my

homework (if only!) but was hoping that some of the more research/academic

orientated list members would be able to give me pointers towards the more

obscure journals etc. which aren't carried by our university library.



>Heath - Internet Hype vs reality

>*If you agree that only 3% of the world's population have access to *a*

>computer, and only 3% of *those* have a modem, and only 3% of those have

>access to software/hardware that would allow poor access to Web-sites, you

>don't have a market - you have a publicity stunt.* Hank Heath 10/10/95



Do you know Sturgeon's law "90% of everything is crap" - well Sturgeon's

Internet corollary is "99.9% of everything on the Internet is crap".



>What is the Hendon Green Party?? Jingle Bells.



My local Green Party! I run our Internet access, and even though it costs

money I use this account in preference to my University account

(gw035@mdx.ac.uk) as it's almost impossible to get on a machine when you

want to! (I do this one from home).



>i've also found who are experimenting with herbs.  There are many good

>resources out there as the person in AZ mentioned.  Are these reources

>not available where you are at?  Do you want anecdotal info?

>On another spot, why are you at the school you are at? And what is the

>time you are spending there (in years)?



This is a new 4 year full-time university course in Herbal Medicine. In

order to overcome the orthodox medical predjudice it is following a 'fairly'

conventional scientific paradigm, so it's lots of journal citations and no

tree hugging (at least not on campus).



Thanks everyone, and happy festivities.



Graham White

HENDON GREEN PARTY



HENDONGREEN@GN.APC.ORG

gcw3@student.open.ac.uk

gw035@mdx.ac.uk



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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



You must totally clean your cupboards and remove all grains cereals nuts and

flour from the house.  Use glass jars only for new products,  and as someone

earlier said freeze everything before putting in glass



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:35:22 -0500

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From:         "Sherwood S. Tucker" <DDS1@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Thanks, recipes, info, ect..



In a message dated 95-12-17 16:07:20 EST, you write:



>        I would like to say thanks to everyone, (a LOT of everyones!) who

>sent me info on my belly button piercing.  The general response was YOU

>STUPID KID, TELL YOUR PARENTS! YOU REBEL!, but, there were some people who

>wanted to help.

>        Lots of people suggewsted the use of marigold cream, tee tree oil,

>and even slice



Did anyone suggest colloidal silver?  My daughter had a spot of impetigo from

scratching a bug bite. I used the colloidal silver and it cleared right up!



dds1@aol.com



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From:         "C. Pierce" <ctpierce@PRESSENTER.COM>

Subject:      Making Vanilla



I was wondering if anyone knew how to make vanilla?  I have looked in some

of my herbal books and also gotten some from the local library, but have

been unsuccessful in finding a recipe.

Thanks



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From:         Cherie Capps <102617.1353@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Slugs



Since we are on the subject of pests.....I seem to have inherited a slug in my

pot when I brought in a Stevia plant for the winter.  And boy does it love those

new leaves!  Any ideas?  I have tried covering the top with egg shells, but they

don't mind them at all.  I have dug up the soil looking for it, but no luck.

It (they) eat every leaf as soon as it appears.  Would rather not resort to slug

bait if something else will work.  TIA

Cherie



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Subject:      Re: Slugs



Slugs are normally found munching leaves after dark. You will probably need

to check your plant with a flashlight during the night. Then remove the

little slime by handpicking and release him to great outdoors. I find it

interesting that your little slug has developed such a sweet tooth!



Chris



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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Making Vanilla



Buy some beans (a whole bunch) Split them with a knife lengthwise,  and soak

in pure grain alc. if its available where you are (Vodka if you cant get the

real thing)



Allow to soak for about two weeks in a warm not hot place.  Repeat using the

same solvent until you are pleased with the concentration.  Vanilla

Tincture!!



Happy Holidays



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Subject:      Re: Making Vanilla



I assume that you are talking about making vanilla extract. Most of the

recipes that I have seen in the past suggest placing whole vanilla beans in

brandy and then letting the solution age for several weeks in a warm place

to release the oils into the brandy. This is at best a poor substitute

however for good commercially produced extract. Of note, there was an

excellent article on vanilla in Herban Lifestyles Jul/Aug 1995 authored by

the VP of Zink & Triest, the largest buyer and seller of vanilla beans in

the world. I am unable to attach the article here as it is copyrighted by

the author.



Chris



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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Slugs



Put a small container (jar lid) full of beer (your choice what brand) in the

pot.  The little alchies will go for the brew and indulge to their ruination.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         "Theresa Williams (Echo News)" <v-twill@MICROSOFT.COM>

Subject:      FW: Slugs



 Message-ID: red-34-msg951221234737MTP[01.51.00]000000a7-104238



you can try hair clippings.  I've never tried this myself, so....

Filbert shells didn't work for me.  Copper  stuff, they sell it in the

stores, seems to work well -- on a short-term basis.



tw

----------

From: chris utterback  <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

To: Multiple recipients of list HERB  <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Subject: Re: Slugs

Date: Friday, December 22, 1995 7:38AM



Slugs are normally found munching leaves after dark. You will probably need

to check your plant with a flashlight during the night. Then remove the

little slime by handpicking and release him to great outdoors. I find it

interesting that your little slug has developed such a sweet tooth!



Chris



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Date:         Fri, 22 Dec 1995 07:52:41 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: Tulsi seed folklore



A while back, within the context of a discussion on holy basil, someone

mentioned that in Indian this herb is called *tulsi*. As a side note to

that discussion I thought some members might find it interesting that

Indian women wear bangle bracelets and necklaces decorated with light beige

*tulsi* seeds. The jewelry is worn to ward off illness.



Chris



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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Making Vanilla



This is a poor substitute because the alc. content of brandy isn't high

enough. It takes longer and imparts the flavor of brandy to your extract



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



Dear Tina,

        The only way, i know of, is to refridgerate all of your dry goods

(or freeze) until they have nothing to eat. I had them once and that was

many years ago. Now I put everything in hte freezer or fridge because I

don't want them again.

        They are in most kinds of food, especially from Health oriented

stores that still contain germ of the meals. That means it has not been

process out and is healthier for you.

        So, refridgeration is a way to get rid of them, whereas it commonlu

means they just haven't hatched yet.



Peace, Paula





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From:         "Julia A. Goldsberry" <GOLDI52@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Making Vanilla



Funny you should ask, just got my new issue of "The Herb Quarterly" Winter

95.  There is an article on vanilla.  It includes several recipes including

this one for Vanilla Extract:



Split 7 vanilla beans end-to-end with a sharp knife.  Add these to a .750

liter (1/5) bottle of rum, vodka, everclear,scotch,brandy, or alcohol of your

choice.  Let stand for three to four weeks before using.  When bottle is 1/4

full add three to four more beans and more alcohol.  Let stand for another

week before using.  Seeds may float in the syrupy liquid but unless yoou are

giving the finished product as a gift, don't remove them-they only add to the

flavor.  Use one-forth to one-third the amount called for in most recipes as

this has a very strong vanilla flavor.  The vanilla beans are good as long as

they have a vanilla scent.  When they have lost their scent, discard and

replace with fresh beans.  You may  remove the beans from the alcohol base

and either scrape or chop and use them in recipes in place of the extract if

you want a strong vanilla flavor.



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From:         Jim Mackey <BreederJim@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent



        Carla Freeman wrote:



     >     I too, would like to hold back these rodents.  We're using

      >    traps - husband must unload though.  Went through one a day,

      >    then nothing.  Yesterday, sick in bed with a cold and I hear

      >    this whinning and it managed to get himself under the sink

      >    cabinet.  Now do we have to undo the plumbing or let him

      >    rot.  Getting tired of clapping my hands each time I enter a

      >    room.  As for cats heard too many stories of them bringing

       >   them to you as their award - ALIVE.  I'd die.



The thing to do with the cat is to borrow one from a friend. Allow it to roam

freely in the basement for a day. The cat will lay down it's scent. Then send

the thing (cat) home. The mice will pick up on the cat scent and move out.

Guaranteed. You might have to repeat the treatment once in a while but that

should be ok.

You can do the same thing with cat "Do Do". Just place it around in the

basement and the mice will take off like a shot. After a day or two remove

the dodo. Repeat treatment when necessary.



good luck



Jim Mackey

Doneright Kennel

Ontario, Canada

=========================

everything in moderation

especially moderation



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From:         cindy waters <holistic@SEDONA.NET>

Subject:      Re: Slugs



At 06:09 PM 12/21/95 EST, you wrote:

>Since we are on the subject of pests.....I seem to have inherited a slug in my

>pot when I brought in a Stevia plant for the winter.  And boy does it love

those

>new leaves!  Any ideas?  I have tried covering the top with egg shells, but

they

>don't mind them at all.  I have dug up the soil looking for it, but no luck.

>It (they) eat every leaf as soon as it appears.  Would rather not resort to

slug

>bait if something else will work.  TIA

>Cherie



Have read that beer in a small flat dish will attract them...once in, they

forget they want to leave, and ultimately drown...that is if they don't

drink it all first. (smile)



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From:         Susan Battle <sbattle@AGORA.RDROP.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent

In-Reply-To:  <199512220017.TAA25552@ansel.intersource.com>



I just recently had an infestation of moths in my pantry. I had heard

that wormwood is a good moth repellent, but I didn't have any. I do have

artemisia 'Powis Castle' growing. So I thought "what the heck" and picked

some small springs and put some on each shelf.

This was about a month ago and about a week ago, I finally realized that all

the moths are gone! The only food I threw out was a plastic bag of cornmeal

from a bulk bin.

They had been flying around the entire pantry.



Susan

sbattle@agora.rdrop.com



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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: Alternative treatments for MS



You may be able to find additional alternative treatment information

regarding MS by subscribing to the MCS-Immune list. According to Julie May

(who has compiled a great deal of information in connection with immune

disorders) this is a CLOSED list for people with MCS, EI, CFID or MS so you

can't send a quick message, but it is fairly quick to respond to your

subscription. Removal is completely automated. Julie can be reached at

jmay@orbital.net

You can also send a one time message to request information to

<immune@weber.ucsd.edu> This a manually run list and it takes time for

subscriptions to be entered or erased. It is, however, a high volume list

for all types of immune system disorders with very knowledgeable and

friendly regulars.



Chris



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From:         Craig & Joan Mathew <cmathew@IADFW.NET>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent / flours, etc.



>Whenever you bring a new grain/pasta/flour item into the house, put it in

>the freezer for at least 48 hours.  This will kill any eggs that are in the

>stuff (they ALWAYS are in there, it seems, here in Florida). Then seal the

>item in an airtight container with a few bay leaves.  Also sprinkle bay

>leaves in the back of your cabinets, shelves, etc.  They really help keep

>bugs out of the kitchen.



Hi Anya,

  Your post certainly piqued my interest, as I do a lot of baking in my

house and therefore keep quite a lot of flour on hand.  At this time I do

freeze my excess amounts of flour, and I have big, plastic airtight tubs

which I put into the pantry for my current usage.

  Your suggestion of putting bay leaves into those tubs was interesting, but

I wonder if the flour would pick up any scent from the leaves?  Some of my

flour is used for pastry, etc., and I'd rather not have any scent left in it.

  Regarding the bugs getting into clothing, etc., I've always heard that

lavendar is helpful for that.  It certainly smells a lot better than those

awful moth balls!!  Can anyone share their opinion or experiences on this?



Thanks in advance,

Joan



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From:         Karen Rhoda <Itype@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent



This may sound crazy but it works. Leave saucers of carbonated beverages

around where the rodents roam ( they prefer Coke and Pepsi). They drink the

stuff and supposedly they can't burp and they explode inside due to the gas

buildup. Also there are "humane" traps that look like little black boxes. Put

a little peanut butter in the cup inside and when the rodent enters it gets

caught, killed and then all you do is pick up the box and throw it away. Much

less messy than those standard traps and really not much more expensive. The

soda works best on rats and the peanut butter on mice and voles.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Making Vanilla

Comments: To: "C. Pierce" <ctpierce@pressenter.com>



At 16:33 21.12.95 CST, C. Pierce wrote:

>I was wondering if anyone knew how to make vanilla?  I have looked in some

>of my herbal books and also gotten some from the local library, but have

>been unsuccessful in finding a recipe.



Like how?

Like taking the raw 'bean' and fermenting that? Chris, in Malaysia, should

be able to come up with an answer to that. (I'd be interested too).

Like taking the fermented 'bean' and put it into sugar to get vanilla

sugar? No recipe needed for that I think.



You do get something that tastes a lot like vanilla when you make

dandelion flower syrup (_no_ green stuff allowed among the flower

petals when you do that).



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress          HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland.

                    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.



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From:         Eve Layman <LAYMAN@BCRSSU.AGR.CA>

Subject:      Re: Slugs



If you are sure it is a slug and not an aphid then try hair clippings around

the base of the plant.  If that doesn't work, then sink a small pot or half

of a grapefruit filled with beer so that the edge is flush with the soil.

This is based on the idea that slugs like beer and will fall in and drown.

You will have to check it every morning for bodies though.  OR you can

just leave an inverte4d grapefruit half on the surface of the soil but again

you will have to check it every morning.

        Good luck!

                Eve.



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From:         Alvaro <alvaros@NATR.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent and Diarrhea

Comments: To: owner-herb <owner-herb@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>



   Speaking of rodent repellent, I read that using Peppermint or Spearmint

(whichever is the strongest) leaves around the house.  I tried it with

peppermint oil - added water - put it in a spray bottle and it worked.



Diarrhea



My little 5 month old daugther has diarrhea.  What do you suggest (natural

ways) that I should give her to stop this.  I have been trying Slippery Elm,

Acidophilus.

Any suggestions.



thanks,



Alvaros@natr.com



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Subject:      Rodents and Diarrhea



   Speaking of rodent repellent, I read that using Peppermint or Spearmint

(whichever is the strongest) leaves around the house.  I tried it with

peppermint oil - added water - put it in a spray bottle and it worked.



Diarrhea



My little 5 month old daugther has diarrhea.  What do you suggest (natural

ways) that I should give her to stop this.  I have been trying Slippery Elm,



Acidophilus.

Any suggestions.



thanks,



Alvaros@natr.com



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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent



Love all you cat lovers.  A friend of mine experienced in such things, named,

of all things, Trapper Bailey, says you can catch mice/rats with bait made of

peanut butter, strawberry jam, mixed with a bit of anise oil to attract them.

 Set up 5 traps last night for mice in our pantry, took out 3 of them.  We

have a lot because I have procrastinated going after them, and when I did

with other bait, they stole the bait and set off the traps very cleverly

without getting caught.  Not so with peanut butter, strawberry jam and anise

oil!



Good luck.



Peter A. Gail

Goosefoot Acres Center for Simple LIving



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Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



Heck, I've always just considered them additional protein in the diet!

(smile)



Peter Gail



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From:         Mabel Haak <Abidingmbm@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent / flours, etc.



Hi Joan,



Regarding bay leaves in flour, I have done that for years and have not

noticed the flour absorb any of the bay leaf smell.  The only problem I had

once was one of the bay leaves breaking and not catching it before it was

added to my recipe.



Mabel



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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent



The carbonated beverages work.  Another of Trapper Bailey's suggestions I

used with great success on the rats in my garage.



Peter Gail.



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From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodent repellent and Diarrhea



Dear Alvaros,>   Speaking of rodent repellent, I read that using Peppermint or

        Diarrhea is a response to the system. you might need to know the

reason why she has it before you stop it. For instance...does she has a

virus or is she reacting to foood. If she is breastfed, what did mom eat

that may have done this.

        Stopping it is not always the most important but "cause" may be.

Also, the length of time she has had it is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. She mustn't

be allowed to dehydrate and that can happen more quickly in babies than adults.

        If you thinik it is a virus, try a tablespoon at a time of apple

cider or a teaspoon of apple cider vinergar in warm water. this can be done

hourly . It is a nutral so even though it is acidic tasting, it is good for

the tummy. Pappaya nectar is another old folklore remedy still available and

very tasty.



Peace, Paula





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From:         Patricia Harper <IgorBladox@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Diarrhea



Slippery elm is a good choice for infant diarrhea, so you've made a good

herbal choice.



Now, since it is not working, call a doctor.



Infants can become dehydrated by diarrhea very quickly and this is a leading

cause of infant mortality.  Infant diarrhea should be taken very seriously.



 5-10 drops of blackberry root tincture or raspberry leaf tea (1 or 2

tablespoons) can be tried.  An oatmeal gruel, rice or apples are sometimes

effective. White oak bark tea, cranesbill or other astringent teas can be

used in teaspoon sized doses.



Do not let this problem last more than 1 or 2 movements while you try things;

act quickly.  If it is not an emergency, your doctor might be happy to

monitor your baby's condition while you apply natural treatments, or have

natural suggestions of his/her own.  Do not hesitate to tell your doctor you

prefer natural treatments, but if your child is becomming seriously

dehydrated, follow your doctor's advice and be thankful for modern medicine.



Best wishes (and a happy solstice to you all).



Patricia Harper

igorbladox@aol.com

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From:         "R.M.K." <iss@RCI.RIPCO.COM>

Subject:      Re: rodents et. al



To: HERB@trearnpc.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: rodents et. al



Carla Freeman <cjfreeman@MAIL.MILLIKIN.EDU>  wrote:



|          I too, would like to hold back these rodents.  We're using

|          traps - husband must unload though.  Went through one a day,

|          then nothing.  Yesterday, sick in bed with a cold and I hear

|          this whinning and it managed to get himself under the sink

|          cabinet.  Now do we have to undo the plumbing or let him

|          rot.  Getting tired of clapping my hands each time I enter a

|          room.  As for cats heard too many stories of them bringing

|          them to you as their award - ALIVE.  I'd die.



This has been discussed at LENGTH here, & other newsgroups.  *NO* herbal

sachet is going to keep mice out of your nice warm house, where there is

food to be found. <period>



If you don't <or can't> do a kitty 'swat' team... and you have LOTZ of

meeces, try the trashcan trick:  Put a couple inches of sunflower seed

in the bottom of a large plastic garbagecan... put the can near a

countertop, or shelf which the mice use.  The mice will jump in the can

after the seed, and can't get out.!!.  I've captured over a dozen mice a

day using this trick.  The layer of seed prevent them from jumping out,

but make sure the sides of the can are CLEAN, because the little rascals

can actually 'run' up the sides of a dirty can..!!.  Of course, it's up

to you to deal with a can of live meeces.



Rob.



..



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From:         "Susan L. Nielsen" <snielsen@EDNET1.OSL.OR.GOV>

Subject:      Verbascum Infusion



Not to change the subject or anything -- all this on

the various winter vermine is quite entertaining --

but:



I have a cold infusion of Verbascum flowers in oil which

I opened last evening to strain and bottle.  Now, let me

describe the odor of this potion...  No, I am at a loss.

It is such a pong it will make your eyes water.  This is

not a rancid oil smell, but, clearly, the putrefaction of

the plant material.



The oil is intended as ear drops, certainly not for

ingestion.  I am concerned, however, that this may not

be a normal medicinal odor.  Should I toss the whole lot?

I do not want to share something unwholesome with my

family, friends and/or even enemies.  If this infusion has

indeed "gone off," what might I do next time to prevent it?



Appreciative in advance,



Susan Nielsen



--

Susan Nielsen, Shambles Workshops      |"...Gently down the

PO Box 16571, Portland, OR 97216, USA  |stream..."

snielsen@orednet.org                   |           -- Anon.



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Date:         Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:56:28 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Verbascum Infusion



What type of vegetable oil did you use??



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:58:12 -0800

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Verbascum Infusion



>It is such a pong it will make your eyes water.  This is

>not a rancid oil smell, but, clearly, the putrefaction of

>the plant material.



It has gone rancid, perhaps to much water in the oil, this happens

occasionally, especially if you picked the flowers on a rainy day.



>  Should I toss the whole lot?



I would.



>I do not want to share something unwholesome with my

>family, friends and/or even enemies.  If this infusion has

>indeed "gone off," what might I do next time to prevent it?



Vitamin E, 500 IU's per cup oil before you add the flowers.



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howie/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."



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Date:         Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:38:03 -0800

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From:         Shaula Evans <sevans@AWINC.COM>

Subject:      Re: Rodents and Diarrhea



At 10:10 AM 12/22/95 -0800, Alvaro wrote:

>Speaking of rodent repellent, I read that using Peppermint or Spearmint

>(whichever is the strongest) leaves around the house.  I tried it with

>peppermint oil - added water - put it in a spray bottle and it worked.

>

>Diarrhea

>

>My little 5 month old daugther has diarrhea.  What do you suggest (natural

>ways) that I should give her to stop this.  I have been trying Slippery Elm,

>

>Acidophilus.

>Any suggestions.

>

>thanks,

>

>Alvaros@natr.com



I would look for the cause of the diarrhea, not a way to stop the symptoms.

 Has she ever been tested for food allergies/sensitivities?  This is always

a likely culprit.



Shaula



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Date:         Sat, 23 Dec 1995 08:39:23 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: Making Vanilla



>At 16:33 21.12.95 CST, C. Pierce wrote:

>>I was wondering if anyone knew how to make vanilla?  I have looked in some

>>of my herbal books and also gotten some from the local library, but have

>>been unsuccessful in finding a recipe.

>

>Like how?

>Like taking the raw 'bean' and fermenting that? Chris, in Malaysia, should

>be able to come up with an answer to that. (I'd be interested too).



Henriette & others- I too was unclear whether the request was for making a

vanilla flavored product or curing vanilla beans. After publishing an

article on Vanilla by Henry Todd, Jr. I assumed that no one who even think

they could cure their own vanilla beans. First one would have to find

vanilla beans growing, Then they would have to be expert enough to know

exactly when to pick the beans in order for the flavor to develop during

curing. Then there's the whole curing process which is too involved and

lengthy to go into here. Different curing processes in the vanilla growing

regions produce different *flavor profiles* of the beans. Some of the folks

here may be interested in buying beans and here's what the Henry Todd, Jr,

the largest vanilla importer/exporter in the world, has to say. "Bourbon

vanilla beans, from Madagascar and the Comoro Islands in the Indian Ocean,

are generally regarded as having the best aroma. Mexican vanilla is similar

to Bourbon, but is further characterized as dusty and nutlike. Indonesian

beans have an entirely different profile related to what some feel are

inferior curing practices.Indonesian beans add a smoky note to extracts.

They are described as woody, herbal, harsh, or nutty. They are never as

sweet or buttery flavored as Bourbon vanilla beans. Tahitian beans are an

entirely different species of orchid and have a strong floral aroma.

Because vanilla production is so time consuming and much of the work is

done by hand, vanilla ranks among the most expensive flavorings in the

world." Pretty interesting stuff.



Chris



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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: Diarrhea



>Slippery elm is a good choice for infant diarrhea, so you've made a good

>herbal choice.

>

>Now, since it is not working, call a doctor.

>

>Infants can become dehydrated by diarrhea very quickly and this is a leading

>cause of infant mortality.  Infant diarrhea should be taken very seriously.

>Do not let this problem last more than 1 or 2 movements while you try things;

>act quickly.  If it is not an emergency, your doctor might be happy to

>monitor your baby's condition while you apply natural treatments, or have

>natural suggestions of his/her own.  Do not hesitate to tell your doctor you

>prefer natural treatments, but if your child is becomming seriously

>dehydrated, follow your doctor's advice and be thankful for modern medicine.



This is excellent advise and should be taken very seriously. While in an

adult you may be able to take a wait and see approach and *not stop the

symptoms* diarrhea is life threatening in an infant. If you are still

reading these messages (I hope you are not) then stop and get your child to

a doctor. We're talking a matter of hours before a child can die from

dehydration so there isn't time to fool around with bulletin boards and

different approaches. What matters the most is this child's welfare, So get

her to your family family now.



Chris



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Date:         Fri, 22 Dec 1995 20:03:51 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Making Vanilla



Seems to be more than one Largest vanilla bean dealer in the world



I'm the worlds largest vanilla consumer in the world!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         George Stone <gstone@MINT.NET>

Subject:      Johnny's Selected Seeds Web Page



Johnny's Selected Seeds has their web page finished. It features all of

their new products that appear in their 1996 catalog. Included with these

new items are over 50 new medicinal herbs as well as over 150 total new

products. You can request one of their catalogs on-line.

http://johnnyseeds.com/seeds



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From:         Paul Stewart <stewart@CYCOR.CA>

Subject:      cracked/ridged fingernails



Hello all:



        My mother has complained of fingernails that have longitudinal

coarse ridges. The nails are very brittle and crack often. Is there some

micronutrient missing from her diet. Is there something you all could

suggest?



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:16:09 -0500

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From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: cracked/ridged fingernails



Dear Paul,

        It could be a calcium deficiency. I take Herbal or Vegetable Calcium

and it digests ans absorbs more quickly.



Peace, Paula





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From:         Marilynne Durrett-Johnson <Mjbdj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



Hi,



I've had trouble with the grain weevils and living out in the country (way

out in the country!) I also have wood roaches or water bugs or whatever they

are.  Now that it is cold, they are not a problem as they come from under the

house, but in the summer they are bad.  I recently read that hedgeapples are

great to keep them out.  One per room and they stay away.  Replace each year.

 Well....I'm desperately looking for hedgeapples...  Don't know if they work

on the grain weevils or not, but it's sure worth a try.



Melle



mjbdj@aol.com



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From:         Marilynne Durrett-Johnson <Mjbdj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Making Vanilla



Hi,



I've been making my own vanilla for several years.  I simply slit the bean

down the middle to expose the inside (this makes the process a little faster)

and put several beans per fifth into grain alcohol.  I'm told you can use

vodka or brandy also.  Anyway, let it sit for several months.  Shake

occassionally.  It will turn a nice light brown and smell very good.  I have

found, though, that it does not work well on non-cooked recipes such as

icing, as you can still taste the alcohol.



If I give any as a gift, I always put it in a pretty bottle and put a piece

of vanilla bean in the bottle.



Good luck.



Melle



mjbdj@aol



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Date:         Sat, 23 Dec 1995 15:58:51 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: cracked/ridged fingernails



While nails are often wrongly associated with bones, they are, in fact, an

appendage of our skin. And you are correct to ask about mineral

deficiencies because they can, in some cases, be indicated in the nails.

I came across one reference that mentions *thin mis-formed fingernails

(concave or with length-wise ridges), as one possible symptom of iron

deficiency*

The *preferred* forms of iron supplements are chelated iron, ferrous

ascorbate, ferrous succinate, ferrous gluconate, ferrous fumarate or

ferrous lactate as these are less likely to to cause constipation, stool

blackening and stomach upset than the usual ferrous sulfate form. A good

book on nutrition would list good food sources as well.

As the average rate of growth in a healthy adult's fingernail is

approximately 1/8-inch (.3125cm) per month it may be a while before your

mother can notice the difference. And then only if this is the cause or has

contributed to it.



Chris



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From:         jo <alan_grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

Subject:      thin skin



acknowledging that there are underlying causes which should be addressed,

would anyone have suggestions in the interim for a problem with thinned skin

to the point where a simple fall or bump  creates a situation where the skin

nearly peels off  and results in extreme pain.

this person apparently is a long sufferer of asthma and takes cortisone to

combat  it. the thin skin is a result of this  medication.

are there any herbal applications which might help that anyone could suggest?

and certainly, if someone feels like addressing the asthma problem,

suggestions there would be welcome too.

thanks.

happy holidays to those who celebrate and " happy- regular- day", to those

who don't (:-)

Jo



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Date:         Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:58:21 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



Try sprinkling cinnamon powder along the baseboards or wherever the roaches

seem to be coming from



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From:         Mary Regit <Mary8100@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: rodents et. al



>Put a couple inches of sunflower seed

>in the bottom of a large plastic garbagecan... put the can near a

>countertop, or shelf which the mice use.  The mice will jump in the can

>after the seed, and can't get out.!!.



I've accidentally done this by leaving a large plastic pail-type

container of birdseed open next to shelving in our garage.  I certainly

did get a can of meeces, but fortunately for me and unfortunately for

them, discovered the treasure after they expired.  Cats have an instinct

to chase small moving objects, but must be taught to effectively hunt and

kill by other cats.  If your cat brings live prey, he simply doesn't know

How to kill it - yet.



Mary Regit

Mary 8100@aol,com



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From:         Susan Battle <sbattle@AGORA.RDROP.COM>

Subject:      Valerian Celtica



Does anyone know what the difference is between Valerian officianalis and

valerian celtica?

A friend gave me a deodorant with this in it that she would like me to

duplicate.

Why would valerian be added to deodorant? I could only find one reference

that said valerian adds a musky scent to perfume. Is the true? What other

reason would it be in deodorant?

This valerian is in extract form. The deodorant is a liquid spray.

Also, something gives it a pleasant fragrance. Besides alcohol and water,

it contains extracts of valeriana celtica, sage, coneflower and myrrh.

Which one of these account for the nice smell?



Thanks,

Susan

sbattle@agora.rdrop.com



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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Gingko Biloba and Hops as Inhalants?



Gingko biloba has been used traditionally to improve circulation. That

includes improved circulation in the brain. It is customarily used in capsule

form, to be digested. Can it be crushed and used as an inhalant with the same

effect?



Additionally, I continue to read vague references to hops in connection with

dreams. So far nothing definitive has surfaced, but these tantalizing clues

make me wonder whether hops can play a role as a dream potentiator--again, as

an inhalant. Hops flowers are very aromatic, with an interesting scent. So is

there a "real" connection, or is this something indefinitely reported?



--DPK--



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From:         David Oliver <doliver@MINERVA.POLARISTEL.NET>

Subject:      Re: Verbascum Infusion



>I have a cold infusion of Verbascum flowers in oil which

>I opened last evening to strain and bottle.  Now, let me

>describe the odor of this potion...  No, I am at a loss.

>It is such a pong it will make your eyes water.  This is

>not a rancid oil smell, but, clearly, the putrefaction of

>the plant material.



Be careful of storing any plant material in oil. There are two problems.



1) The oil is  a neutral pH and provides little or no buffering action.

Bacteria like to live at a neutral pH. The only way to reduce bacterial

action is to reduce the pH, i.e. make the solution acid. Acids like vinegar

don't mix well with oil, so that is difficult to do.



2) You are creating an anaerobic environment, meaning that air cannot freely

pass through the oil to the plant material. Some of the nastiest

microorganisms around are anaerobes. Ever heard of Clostridium botulinum?



Fortunately, your Verbascum flowers appear to have been attacked by an

aerobic organism which left some noxious gases to warn you of its action. C.

botulinum and some others are undetectable.



Caution is advised!



==========================================

David & Paula Oliver

Editors/Publishers, The Business of Herbs

Northwind Farm Publications

RR 2  Box 246

Shevlin, MN  56676

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From:         Tommy Clonts <TCLONTS@EAC.CC.AZ.US>

Subject:      HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR



-----HELP!

We have just moved into a beautifull home, with a large space for an herb

garden.  I am so scared! We have found so many dead scorpions inside our

house.  I have seen them alive out side, and i dont want them to come in!

What can i do? is there an herb that possibly repels them? My parents

areall go on "spray the nasty buggers!" but i want to use an herbal

approach.

Also, do you guys know where i can find patchouli? Thanks, tommy.



P.S>

I had to re type my message because the first line was HELP and they

thought i was sendiing a command.  I was just going to warn you.



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From:         Tommy Clonts <TCLONTS@EAC.CC.AZ.US>

Subject:      herbal deoderant smells



the valerian (i can't spell) has astringient propperties, myrrh smells NICE,

it has been used in incense (they brought gifts of gold, frankincense and

myrrh...) and sage smells, well, like turkey stuffing.   Youll figure iit

out!



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Date:         Sun, 24 Dec 1995 16:29:58 +1100

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From:         The Fragrant Garden <203.2.193.124@OZNET02.OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Merry Christmas



"they had smelt the goose, and known it for their own; and basking in

luxurious thoughts of sage and onion, these young Cratchits danced about

the table

 Yet every one had had enough, and the youngest Cratchits in particular,

were steeped in sage and onion to the eyebrows."

A Christmas Carol



Michael Bailes.The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia



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From:         "John L. Rouse" <jrouse@CAPACCESS.ORG>

Subject:      Re: herbal deoderant smells



Oh dear, may all your stuffings be merry.  Valeriana has been close to the

blessings of yore for decades, and long may it rein...er, rain, :-)...

Ciao



On

Sat, 23 Dec 1995, Tommy Clonts wrote:



> the valerian (i can't spell) has astringient propperties, myrrh smells NICE

> , it has been used in incense (they brought gifts of gold, frankincense and

> myrrh...) and sage smells, well, like turkey stuffing.   Youll figure iit

> out!



John L. Rouse                                 FAX: (301) 464-7027

Capital-Gazette Communications                PHONE: (301) 262-3700

jrouse@capaccess.org                                 (410) 268-5000

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 24 Dec 1995 06:36:41 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Sherwood S. Tucker" <DDS1@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bug Repellent



In a message dated 95-12-21 17:59:01 EST, you write:



>You must totally clean your cupboards and remove all grains cereals nuts and

>flour from the house.  Use glass jars only for new products,  and as someone

>earlier said freeze everything before putting in glass



does that include cheerios too?



dds@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 24 Dec 1995 11:45:27 -0500

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: Slugs



Well, i do know that if you see it and pour salt on it, it will start

foaming,, and eventually disappear.  When I lived in Barbados, we used to

find them all the time,,, and that was how we got rid of them. ::shrug::

 just don't watch it foaming,,,



Dara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:11:39 -0500

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From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Richters HerbLetter 95/12/24



-----------------------   Richters Herbletter   ------------------------

   Published by:     Richters, Canada's Herb Specialists

                     Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada

   Editor:           Conrad Richter <conrad@richters.com>



                     *** Trial issue: feedback welcome ***

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Issue ID: 95/12/24 17:00 GMT



Contents

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1. Professional Herb Growers' Conference Scheduled Oct. 26, 1996

2. Herb Growers' Conference Topics and Registration Information

3. Arrest Follows 1993 Poison Seizure; Man Tried to Smuggle Enough Ricin

   into Canada to Kill Thousands, U.S. Authorities Say

4. Richters Year End Herb Book Sale (Up to 50% Off)

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1. Professional Herb Growers' Conference Scheduled Oct. 26, 1996

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   GOODWOOD, Dec 24 -- Richters, Canada's leading herb specialists, are

hosting the first ever professional herb growers' conference in Canada

to be held October 26, 1996.  Herbs are one of the fastest growing sectors

in horticulture and agriculture. But reliable information on how to grow

and market herbs is hard to find. The conference will address the unique

needs of the commercial herb grower and would-be-grower.  Speakers, all

actively involved in the herb industry, will represent both the greenhouse

and the outdoor field production sectors.  "This conference is unique in

that we have been able attract active industry participants to speak,

where previous conferences and workshops have only managed to attract

speakers from government and academia," said Conrad Richter, vice-president

of Richters.  "It was largely mostly through our increasing role as the

supplier to the herb industry that we were able to convince normally

secretive herb growers to tell how they do it."

   The conference is co-sponsored by the International Herb Association,

Ontario Ministry of Agriculture Food and Rural Affairs, Organic Crop

Producers & Processors Ontario and the Ontario Herbalist Association.

Mike Columbus of OMAFRA and Larry Lenhardt of OCPPO will be the session

chairs.

   The conference will be held in the town of Goodwood, a 30 minutes drive

north of Toronto, in the Goodwood community centre, just a few minutes

from Richters herb operation.  According to conference organizer, Sheila

Shillum, of Richters, the conference is expected to attract over 100

attendees, but early registration is advised because space is limited.

"Our customers have indicated a lot of interest in starting commercial

herb growing operations over the years so we are not sure if the Goodwood

community centre will be big enough," Shillum said.  A recent medicinal

plants growers workshop held in Richmond, British Columbia, attracted 125

growers or prospective growers when only 50 were expected.  The conference

is expected to attract buyers from the industry also.  "It will be a great

opportunity to network," Shillum said.



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2. Herb Growers' Conference Topics and Registration Information

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Conference Topics:



        INDUSTRY OVERVIEW, Conrad Richter, Vice-President, Richters.

             What are the trends, opportunities and risks for new

             entrants in the herb industry.

        FIELD PRODUCTION AND MARKETING OF FEVERFEW, Richard and David

             Borbely, AgroPharm Technologies. With a strong background

             in agribusiness, chemical technology and research and

             development, AgroPharm Technologies is developing and

             marketing their own "over-the-counter" feverfew product

             manufactured from material grown organically and processed

             on its own farm.

        GREENHOUSE BASIL PRODUCTION, Ian Adamson, HydroHerb. Ian Adamson

             has been in organic hydroponic basil production since March

             1994.  He is supplying local restaurants and large retail

             grocery chains in the greater Toronto area.

        GINSENG AND GOLDENSEAL, Dr. John Proctor, University of Guelph.

             Dr. Proctor works closely with Ontario ginseng growers.

             Current research interests include developing improved

             production techniques and ways to enhance and speed up seed

             germination.  He is also helping to introduce goldenseal as

             a commercial crop in Ontario.

        FRESH SALAD GREENS AND HERBS, David Cohlmeyer, Cookstown Greens.

             Cookstown Greens has been producing baby salad greens and

             specialty vegetables for 8 years.  Herbs such as anise-hyssop,

             fennel, and nasturtium flowers are used to enhance a line of

             gournet salad greens sold in specialty food shops throughout

             southern Ontario.  David Cohlmeyer is the author of "The

             Vegetarian Chef."

        FIELD PRODUCTION OF FRESH HERBS, David Surowiec, Fresh Herb Grower

             David Surowiec has 9 years experience working with leading

             producers of fresh herbs selling at the Ontario Food Terminal

             and Toronto area produce markets.  Typical crops include:

             basil, chives, coriander, dill, oregano, parsley, roquette,

             sage, savory, sorrel and thyme.

        ECHINACEA PRODUCTION, Nick Morcinek, Faunus Herbs. Faunus grows

             and manufactures its own line of herbal medicinal products

             distributed through health food stores.  Currently, 15 acres

             of echinacea are under cultivation for tincture production.

        POTTED HERB PRODUCTION, Timothy Freeman, Freeman Herbs.  Freeman

             Herbs has been in wholesale marketing of potted herbs for 16

             years in Ontario, Quebec and New York State.  Freeman grows

             65 varieties and expects to produce 1.3 million plants in

             1996.

        GARLIC PRODUCTION, Bruce McEwan, Garlic Producer.  Bruce McEwan

             grows 8 acres of garlic which he markets to local markets

             and grocery chains.  Won a gold medal for garlic at the Royal

             Winter Fair 1994.

        HERBAL TINCTURES: VALUE ADDED PRODUCTS, Jeremy Rivett-Carnac, St.

             Francis Herb Farm.  For 8 years St. Francis Herb Farm has been

             growing and marketing "value-added" herbal products in Ontario.

             The company grows 45-60 "certified organic" herbs and produces

             110 tinctures marketed through health food stores.

        PANEL DISCUSSION ON MARKETING.  What are the existing and potential

             markets for herbs.  How to develop a marketing strategy.  What

             buyers are looking for.



Conference Registration Information



        * Date and times: October 26, 1996, 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM

        * Place: Goodwood Community Centre, Goodwood, Ontario

        * Space is limited. Register early!

        * Fee (non-refundable): $100 ($150 after Sept. 15), in Canadian funds



        Register by mail, telephone, fax or email.



  Mail: Richters                  Tel:   +1-905-640-6677

        357 Hwy. 47               Fax:   +1-905-640-6641

        Goodwood, ON L0C 1A0      Email: orderdesk@richters.com

        CANADA                    Info: conference@richters.com



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3. Arrest Follows 1993 Poison Seizure; Man Tried to Smuggle Enough Ricin

   into Canada to Kill Thousands, U.S. Authorities Say

------------------------------------------------------------------------

   NEW YORK, Dec 23, New York Times -- U.S. federal agents have arrested

an Arkansas man on charges that he possessed enough of one of the most

deadly poisons known -- a favoured and nearly undetectable weapon of the

old Soviet KGB -- to kill thousands of people, officials said yesterday.

   Thomas Lewis Lavy was arrested Wednesday morning in a raid by the FBI

on an isolated stone cabin in the Ozarks of northern Arkansas.

   The authorities said Mr. Lavy, described as about 50 years old, tried

to smuggle 130 grams of the fatal poison ricin, a white powder distilled

from castor beans, across Alaska's border with Canada in April, 1993.

   Arkansas court documents said that when he was stopped in 1993 he also

had four guns with 20,000 rounds of ammunition, a belt-buckle knife and

$80,000 in cash.  He also had several pieces of literature, including The

Poisoner's Handbook and Silent Death.

   Canadian customs officials at the Beaver Creek border crossing in Yukon

turned him back because he did not have the proper form to bring more than

$10,000 into their country.  But they confiscated the white powder he was

carrying, which subsequent analysis showed was ricin.  He had told them it

was a poison he was using to kill coyotes that were preying on his chickens.

   U.S. officials indicated there had been a delay in the Canadians'

notifying them of the nature of the white powder.  Chemists say the tests

to identify ricin are extremely difficult and sophisticated.

   A mere speck of ricin, daubed on the tip of an umbrella, was used by

Soviet agents in 1978 to kill a defecting Bulgarian official, Georgi Markov,

at a London bus stop.

   Mr. Lavy was arrested after about 40 FBI agents and U.S. Army chemical-

warfare specialists from Aberdeen, Md., surrounded the small stone house off

a series of dirt roads near tiny Onia, Ark., in Stone County.

   He was charged under an anti-terrorist statute with possession of a toxic

substance with intent to use it as a weapon.  At a hearing in Little Rock

yesterday, U.S. magistrate Jerry Cavanaugh ordered him held without bail

and transported for trail to Alaska, where the charges were originally filed.

   Although no poison was seized in the raid, Paula Casey, spokeswoman for

the U.S. attorney's office in Little Rock, said a container -- described as

a "pound-and-a-half Christmas fruitcake can" -- filled with castor beans

was found, along with "several books detailing recipes" for producing ricin

from the beans.

   Neighbours described Mr. Lavy as having ties to "survivalist groups,"

said Stone County Sheriff Fred Black, although he added that they did not

name any specific groups.

   In the parlance of the isolated, sparsely populated corner of the Ozark

mountains where the raid occurred, the term survivalist refers to far-right

Christian fundamentalists who store food, weapons and supplies in backwoods

hideouts in anticipation of a cataclysmic war.

   Although officials cautioned that no links to known rightist groups had

yet been established in the case, the arrest came against a backdrop of

recent violence that includes not only the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah

Federal Building in Oklahoma City, but a number of bombings of federal

government offices in the West.

   Two members of a militia called the Minnesota Patriots Council were

convicted in March of planning to use ricin to kill federal employees and

law-enforcement agents.

   Ricin is described in the Merck Index, the standard reference on

chemicals, as "among the most toxic compunds known."  It is 6,000 times

more poisonous than cyanide and 12,000 times more poisonous than rattlesnake

venom, wrote Wayne Armstrong, a botanist, in the magazine Environment

Southwest.

   When Soviet agents killed Mr. Markov, the Bulgarian defector, he felt a

sharp stab in the back of his right thigh as he waited for his bus near

Waterloo Bridge.  Turning, he saw a man with an umbrella, who apologized and

hailed a taxi.  Four days later Mr. Markov was dead.

   Doctors could find no cause for his suffering until a pathologist

recovered a tiny metal pellet with two hollow channels, somewhat similar to

the ball of a ballpoint pen.  The poison ricin was identified.

   The amount of deadly ricin was estimated at a few hundred millionths of

a gram.

   Sheriff Black, who accompanied the federal agents on the raid, said that

several rifles he described as "collector's models," five pistols, gold

Krugerrand coins and several thousand dollars in cash had also been seized.

   The arrest was made on a sealed indictment delivered in Alaska on Dec.

12, which charged Mr. Lavy with possession of a toxic substance with the

intent to use it as a weapon, Ms. Casey said.

   Sheriff Black said Mr. Lavy had moved to the Ozarks -- home to numerous

right-wing survivalists -- about three years ago.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

4. Richters Year End Herb Book Sale (Up to 50% Off)

------------------------------------------------------------------------



               Great Herb and Gardening Books, Up to 50% Off!

               ----------------------------------------------



Richters annual end-of-year book sale is on.  All of the following books

are 25% off our catalogue prices.  And if you order 5 books, you get one

free (the lowest priced one), equivalent to as much as another 25%,

discount, or a total of 50%!  If you order another 5 books, you get another

book free.  All books are listed in Richters past catalogues.  For more

information about any of the following titles, email to

orderdesk@richters.com.  Supplies are limited -- for many titles only one

or two copies remain in stock.



All prices in Canadian dollars; if you are paying in U.S. dollars deduct

20%.  Orders under $40, add $4 handling.  No shipping charge to orders

to Canada or U.S.; orders outside North America, add 15% for shipping.

Visa, Mastercard, cheques and money orders accepted.



Send orders to: Email: orderdesk@richters.com

                Fax: +1-905-640-6641

                Tel. +1-905-640-6677

                Mail: Richters, Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada.



ALOE VERA, JOJOBA, YUCCA, John Heinerman.  Softcover 25 pp.

Cat. No. B1200: was $4, is now $3.



ANTICANCER CHINESE DRUGS AND RELATED PLANTS, Structure Activity Relationship

Analysis, Eric J. Lien, Wen Y. Li.  Softcover 150 pp.

Cat. No. B1325: was $22, is now $16.50.



AROMATHERAPY FOR WOMEN, Maggie Tisserand.  Softcover 128 pp.

Cat. No. B1350: was $12, is now $9.



AROMATHERAPY WORKBOOK, Marcel Lavabre.  Softcover 164 pp.

Cat. No. B1360: was $20, is now $15.



ASK JEANNE ROSE ABOUT HERBS, Jeanne Rose.  Softcover 26 pp.

Cat. No. B1420: was $4, is now $3.



BEAUTIFUL FOOD GARDEN, Kate Rogers Gessert.  Softcover 264 pp.

Cat. No. B1500: was $26, is now $19.50.



THE BOOK OF GARLIC, Harris.  Softcover 286 pp.

Cat. No. B1600: was $20, is now $15.



CHINESE HERBS, John D. Keys.  Softcover 388 pp.

Cat. No. B1750: was $25, is now $18.75.



CHOOSING, PLANTING AND CULTIVATING HERBS, Philippa Back.  Softcover 93 pp.

Cat. No. B1800: was $5, is now $3.75.



COMPLETE BOOK OF COMPANION GARDENING, Bob Flowerdew.  Hardcover 176 pp.

Cat. No. B1875: was $44, is now $33.



COMPLETE BOOK OF HERBS, Geraldine Holt.  Hardcover 219 pp.

Cat. No. B1905: was $44, is now $33.



COMPLETE BOOK OF HERBS, SPICES AND CONDIMENTS, Carol Ann Rinzler.

Softcover.

Cat. No. B5625: was $14, is now $10.50.



THE COMPLETE NEW HERBAL, Richard Mabley et al.  Softcover 288 pp.

Cat. No. B2050: was $28, is now $21.



COOKERY FOR LOVERS, Aphrodisiacs in the Kitchen, Bettie L. Furuta.

Softcover 235 pp.

Cat. No. B2070: was $27, is now $20.25.



COOKING WITH FIVE SENSES, Rita Bumbaca.  Hardcover 181 pp.

Cat. No. B2150: was $26, is now $19.50.



THE ELEGANT ONION, Betty Cavage.  Softcover 156 pp.

Cat. No. 2600: was $9, is now $6.75.



EVERLASTING DESIGN, Diana Penzner with Mary Forsell.  Softcover 144 pp.

Cat. No. B2940: was $20, is now $15.



EVERLASTINGS, CONCISE GUIDE TO GROWING, Jim and Dotti Becker.  Softcover

85 pp.

Cat. No. B2950: was $11, *** SPECIAL 50% DISCOUNT *** $5.50.



THE FEAST OF THE OLIVE, Maggie Blyth.  Softcover 223 pp.

Cat. No. B3050: was $19, is now $$14.25.



FIELD GUIDE TO TREES AND SHRUBS (PETERSON'S), George Petrides.  Softcover

428 pp.

Cat No. B3250: was $27, is now $20.25.



FINE HERBS FOR A BEAUTIFUL GARDEN, Deni Bown.  Hardcover 160 pp.

Cat. No. B3325: was $37, is now $27.75.



FLAVORED VINEGARS, R. Marilyn Schmidt.  Softcover 56 pp. (coilbound).

Cat. No. B3360: was $11, is now $8.25.



GESUNDHEIT AUS DER APOTHEKE GOTTES, Maria Treben.  Softcover 104 pp.

(German language.)

Cat. No. B9000: was $23, is now $17.25.



THE GLUTEN BOOK, Le Arta Maulton.  Softcover 165 pp.

Cat. No. B3900: was $12, is now $9.



GROWING HERBS, Mary Preus.  Softcover 96 pp.

Cat. No. B4270: was $16, is now $12.



GROWING HERBS AS AROMATICS, Roy Genders.  Softcover 95 pp.

Cat. No. B4250: was $5, is now $3.75.



GROWING WILDFLOWERS, A GARDENER'S GUIDE, Marie Sperka.  Softcover 277 pp.

Cat. No. B4350: was $22, is now $16.50.



THE HERB BOOK, Arabella Boxer and Philippa Back.  Softcover 168 pp.

Cat. No. B4625: was $24, is now $18.



HERBAL APHRODISIACS, Clarence Meyer.  Softcover 144 pp.

Cat. No. B5040: was $20, is now $15.



HERBAL DATEBOOK: An Undated Diary, Janice L. Sutton.  Softcover 110 pp

(coilbound).

Cat. No. B5052: was $16, is now $12.



HERBAL TEAS FOR HEALTH AND HEALING, Ceres Esplan.  Softcover 91 pp.

Cat. No. B4470: was $11, is now $8.25.



HERBALS, Agnes Arber.  Softcover 358 pp.

Cat. No. B5325: was $37, is now $27.75.



HERBS AND THEIR ORNAMENTAL USES, Brooklyn Botanic Garden.  Softcover 84 pp.

Cat. No. B5400: was $11, is now $8.25.



HERBS, HOW TO SELECT, GROW AND ENJOY, Norma Jean Lathrop.  Softcover 160 pp.

Cat. No. B5550: was $24, is now $18.



HOW DOES YOUR GARDEN GROW ORGANICALLY?, Mary Perlmutter.  Softcover

Cat. No. B5670: was $24, is now $18.



HOW TO TREAT YOURSELF WITH CHINESE HERBS, Hong-Yen Hsu.  Softcover 296 pp.

Cat. No. B5875: was $11, is now $8.75.



HYDROPONICS FOR THE HOME GARDENER, Stewart Kenyon.  Soctcover 146 pp.

Cat. No. B5950: was $19, is now $14.25.



THE INDOOR GARDEN, John Brookes.  Hardcover 288 pp.

Cat No. B6100: was $50, is now $37.50.



KILL BUGS DEAD, Diane Martin.  Softcover 40 pp.

Cat. No. B6160: was $13, is now $9.75.



LANDSCAPING WITH HERBS, James Adams.  Hardcover 223 pp.

Cat. No. B6170: was $40, is now $30.



LA SANTE A LA PHARMACIE DU BON DIEU, Maria Treben.  Softcover 108 pp.

(French language.)

Cat. No. B8050: was $23, is now $17.75.



LE GRAND LIVRE DES FINES HERBES, Guy Saint-Jean.  Softcover 230 pp.

(French language.)

Cat. No. B8000: was $19, is now $14.25.



LES PLANTES MEDICINALES CANADIENS.  Softcover.  (French language.)

Cat. No. B9999: was $8, is now $6.



LES SECRETS DU REGNE VEGETAL, Paul Codere.  Softcover 301 pp. (French

language.)

Cat. No. B8100: was $13, is now $9.25.



MORE KIDS IN THE KITCHEN, S. Ferrier and T. Shuttleworth.  Softcover 64 pp.

Cat. No. B6300: was $12, is now $9.



NATURAL GARDENING HANDBOOK, Brooklyn Botanic Garden.  Softcover 72 pp.

Cat. No. B6400: was $7, is now $5.25.



THE NATURAL PHARMACY: An Encyclopedic Illustrated Guide to Medicines from

Nature, Miriam Polunin and Christopher Robbins.  Softcover 144 pp.

Cat. No. B6495: was $25, is now $18.25.



THE NEW AMERICAN VEGETABLE COOKBOOK, Brennan, Cronin, Glenn.  Softcover

318 pp.

Cat. No. B6550X: was $25, is now $18.25.



ORGANIC GARDENING, Lawrence D. Hills.  Softcover 240 pp.

Cat. No. B6650: was $14, is now $10.50.



ORGANIC GARDENING IN COLD CLIMATES, Sandra Perrin.  Softcover 142 pp.

Cat. No. B6660: was $19, is now $14.25.



POTPOURRI, INCENSE AND OTHER FRAGRANT CONCOCTIONS, Ann Tucker Fettner.

Softcover 139 pp.

Cat. No. B7000: was $14, is now $10.50.



SEEDS OF WOODLAND PLANTS, Collecting Processing and Germinating, James

and Cheryl Young.  Hardcover 236 pp.

Cat. No. B7325: was 37, is now $27.75.



SKINNY SPICES, Erica Levy Klein.  Softcover 192 pp.

Cat. No. B7375: was $18, is now $13.50.



SOUTHERN HERB GROWING, Madeline Hill and Gwen Barclay with Jean Hardy.

Hardcover 196 pp.

Cat. No. B7385: was $40, is now $30.



TAYLOR'S GUIDE TO VEGETABLES & HERBS.  Softcover 479 pp.

Cat. No. B7570: was $30, is now $22.50.



TAYLOR'S POCKET GUIDE TO HERBS AND EDIBLE FLOWERS, Ann Reilly.  Softcover

127 pp.

Cat. No. B7571: was $9, is now $6.75.



VEGETABLES, How to Select Grow and Enjoy, Derek Fell.  Softcover 192 pp.

Cat. No. B7800: was $26, is now $19.50.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

   Richters New 1996 Herb Catalogue Now Available: 103 pages, colour,

   over 760 herb plants, seeds, and dried herbs.  Order by email at

   catalog@richters.com.

------------------------------------------------------------------------



-- Plan to Attend Richters' First Ever COMMERCIAL HERB GROWING CONFERENCE --

----- October 26, 1996 --- For details, email: conference@richters.com -----

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 24 Dec 1995 14:35:32 -0700

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         cindy waters <holistic@SEDONA.NET>

Subject:      Re: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR



At 10:19 PM 12/23/95 -0700, you wrote:

>-----HELP!

>We have just moved into a beautifull home, with a large space for an herb

>garden.  I am so scared! We have found so many dead scorpions inside our

>house.  I have seen them alive out side, and i dont want them to come in!

>What can i do? is there an herb that possibly repels them? My parents

>are all go on "spray the nasty buggers!" but i want to use an herbal

>approach.

>Also, do you guys know where i can find patchouli? Thanks, tommy.



Tommy:



Only place I have found Patchouli is in incense...what form do you need it in?



holistic@sedona.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 24 Dec 1995 18:05:43 -0500

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Anya McCoy <rastapoo@MAGIC.WINNET.NET>

Subject:      Re: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR



>At 10:19 PM 12/23/95 -0700, you wrote:

>>-----HELP!

>>We have just moved into a beautifull home, with a large space for an herb

>>garden.  I am so scared! We have found so many dead scorpions inside our

>>house.  I have seen them alive out side, and i dont want them to come in!

>>What can i do? is there an herb that possibly repels them? My parents

>>areall go on "spray the nasty buggers!" but i want to use an herbal

>>approach.

>>Also, do you guys know where i can find patchouli? Thanks, tommy.



I have a big, beautiful, in bloom patchouli plant growing by my back door.

It is hard to find, especially in cold climates.  I got my cuttings years

ago from the Marie Selby Botanic Gardens in Sarasota, Florida.



I'll check some of my rare herb plant catalogues to see if they carry it,

and if they do, I'll post the information here.  I may also try to harvest

soem of the seeds from my blooming plant.



Rastapoodl@aol.com

Rastapoo@winnet.net

      /\_/\

     / o o \

     \ >"< /

      =====

     /     \

Herbalist, aromatherapist, garden designer, reggae fan

Living, laughing and enjoying life in Miami, America's frontier

"you gotta lively up yourself"  -- Bob Marley





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 24 Dec 1995 16:23:42 -0800

Reply-To:     Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Gingko Biloba and Hops as Inhalants?

In-Reply-To:  <951223170654_78132492@mail04.mail.aol.com>



On Sat, 23 Dec 1995, Dale Kemery wrote:

> Additionally, I continue to read vague references to hops in connection with

> dreams. So far nothing definitive has surfaced, but these tantalizing clues

> make me wonder whether hops can play a role as a dream potentiator--again, as

> an inhalant. Hops flowers are very aromatic, with an interesting scent. So is

> there a "real" connection, or is this something indefinitely reported?



I passed my crop around for that purpose (relatives and friends) and put

some in my bedroom, kitchen, and office.  My complaints about

restlessnes, BAD dreams, etc.  We've eliminated it from all the sleeping

areas.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 25 Dec 1995 09:00:31 -0400

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From:         Charles Bartlett <cbartle@PCNET.COM>

Subject:      Cheerios



In a message dated 95-12-21 17:59:01 EST, you write:



>>You must totally clean your cupboards and remove all grains cereals nuts and

>>flour from the house.  Use glass jars only for new products,  and as someone

>>earlier said freeze everything before putting in glass



>does that include cheerios too?



Yes it does. It includes dried pastas, corn meal, oatmeal, crackers,

cookies, corn starch, and any type of cereal.



This from a man who has found the little boogers at the bottom of a bowl of

cereal too many times. I had been putting everything into glass jars for a

year now, not freezing it. My reward has been jars of dead bugs. I started

freezing the jars and will let you know it that works.



cbartle@pcnet.com

Charles Bartlett



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Date:         Mon, 25 Dec 1995 19:03:22 -0800

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: help for dog with fleas



At 05:54 PM 12/12/95 -0500, you wrote:

>A friend of mine has a dog who has suffered hair loss as a consequence of flea

>infestation. Apparently, the dog is being treated by the vet for the fleas, but

>is still suffering hair loss (or hair is not growing back).  Any ideas for

>herbal treatments?

>

>Thanks.

>

>Chere Calloway [callowa3@pilot.msu.edu]



Ah, the old chew spots. Many things are helpful, but I prefer getting some

Yellow Dock Root, Rumex crispus, powder it up in a blender, add some warm

water to make a paste, and apply 2 to 3 times a day to the dog. More labor

intensive intensive than other quick herbal preparations, but its worth it

because you can add love. Dogs, and people, appreciate that.



Howie Brounstein

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"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 25 Dec 1995 23:11:17 -0500

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From:         "Frederick A. Weber" <Herbfred@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbalists Cookbook



I am new to the list but I am interested in any recipes or ideas for herbs

anyone would have for a booklet I am putting together.  I did not see the

original article

Thanks :):)



New to herbs,



Fred



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Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 01:31:06 -0800

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Subject:      Re: Traditional Smudging herb



At 02:42 AM 12/17/95 -0500, you wrote:

>In a message dated 95-12-12 04:05:24 EST, howieb@TELEPORT.COM (Howie

>Brounstein) writes:

>

>>Be warned - thujone IS dangerous, no matter what that FAQ says.



Dale,



I did not personally write this line. It was a cut and paste from the

Medicinal Herb FAQ. I suppose Henriette wrote it. The reason this line is

attached to the Absinthe Pointer is because the Absinthe FAQ is slanted.

Most sources say that long term use of Absinthe is dangerous and

debilitating. I was under the impression that many people became addicted to

it and suffered mental and physical deterioration, thus it became outlawed.

I would stress that this is long term use. Wormwood, Artemisia absinthium is

pretty nasty stuff, you would have to drink a lot of tea to feel its

narcotic like effects, but by then you'd be retching from its foul taste. Of

course, you could try to hide the flavor with other stuff ... thus Absinthe.

Personally, I don't like it, don't feel its worth the havoc on your body for

the effect. I like the smell of it, and would keep it around for that. The

Absinthe FAQ, however, takes the point that it may be harmless, that the

debility was caused by alcohol addiction, or Absinthe impurities, and a

marihuana - like political scare tactics. I am not sure what to make of it,

but the warning does remain that thujone is dangerous when taken in large

enough quantities, and that the Absinthe of history did hurt a generation of

people no matter what the specifics.



>If thujone is so dangerous, what are we to make of it as the primary

>constituent of Artemisia? Are we endangering ourselves whenever we inhale it?



Firstly, the chemistries of Artemisia absinthium and Mugwort, Artemisia

vulgaris or douglasiana are different. Some of the contra indications are

different; the uses are different; their histories are different. Also, it

may be a bit premature to say that one chemical, thujone, is THE active

ingredient in either. that would be a bit too reductionist for my tastes. We

can't even assume that because a plant contains some small amount of a

poison, that the plant is poisonous, or we'd have to give up onions,

spinach, mustard. The difference between food and poison is often dosage;

the difference between poison and medicine is dosage. So let's focus on

thujone. A brief list of plants containing thujone includes:



Salvia officinalis L. - Sage  (Leaf)

Salvia triloba L. - Greek Sage  (Plant)

Artemisia dracunculus L. - Tarragon  (Shoot)

Mentha x rotundifolia (L.) HUDSON - Applemint  (Leaf)

Pycnanthemum tenuifolium SCHRAD. - Slenderleaf Mountain Mint  (Shoot)

Mentha pulegium L. - European Pennyroyal  (Plant)

Thymus orospedanus H. del VILLAR - Orosped Thyme  (Plant)

Achillea millefolium L. - Yarrow (Plant)

Capsicum frutescens L. - Cayenne (Fruit)

Carum carvi L. - Caraway (Fruit)

Glycyrrhiza glabra L. - Licorice (Root)

Juniperus sabina L. - Sabine (Plant)

Matricaria recutita L. - Annual Camomile (Plant)

Mentha arvensis L. - Cornmint (Plant)

Sassafras albidum (NUTT.) NEES - Sassafras (Root)

Satureja hortensis L. - Summer Savory (Plant)



This list, and others like it is available free from the Phytochemical

chemical databases (links on my home page and many other places)



So as you can see, many plants that are very safe (in normal dosages)

contain this chemical.  So smell your Mugwort, drink Mugwort tea, smoke it,

smear the juice all over your body on a vision-dream quest, just don't

extract pure thujone from it and snort it.



>Someone on another list suggested smoking Artemisia because there's a strong

>connection with MJ--both affect the same (or similar) receptors in the brain,

>and are apparently similar botanically (I don't know what that means

>technically). Additionally, a book called *Absinthe, History in a Bottle* by

>Barnaby Conrad III mentions thujone-enol's structural similarity to THC.



Smoking Artemisias? Hmm, for me Mugwort is a flavor, used in small amounts

as not to be too overwhelming.  Kind of mentholly. Or perhaps for it's

dreaming effects. But once again folks are implying a generalization: This

one constituent (or group of constituents) is shaped like THC, and perhaps

affects the same receptor sites as THC, so it must make you feel like you

smoked THC. Oops, flawed logic again. Just because the shape of two

molecules are similar doesn't mean that they similar biological effects.

They might, but its not guaranteed. My take on this: Ingesting Mugwort, or

any Artemisia I've tasted,  does not make you feel like you've ingested

Marihuana.



So enjoy the smells, drown your concerns, and have a happy, aromatic holiday

season to all you netters out there.



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howie/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 04:51:36 EST

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From:         Rene Burrough <100735.543@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Gingko Biloba and Hops as Inhalants?



Jack,

Sorry, I'm having trouble with a preposition of yours. You eliminated hops

from sleeping areas, etc because of negative side effects OR the hops

eliminated the negative factors of restlessness & bad dreams?



Hops, despite their rather strong aromatic profile have been used in SLEEP

pillows here in the UK as a sedative, to encourage sleep, ease restlessness &

nervous tension/anxiety rather than poteniating dreams. As far as I've read.



It is also contraindicated for those suffering from {severe) depression.



Rene Burrough



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 07:11:42 EST

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From:         Rene Burrough <100735.543@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Gingko Biloba and Hops as Inhalants? Correction



Jack et al



I meant to say <pronoun> and typed <preposition>. Then I sent rather than

saved so I could proof it. Scuzi.



The post should have read:

Sorry, I'm having trouble with a PRONOUN of yours. You eliminated hops from

sleeping areas, etc because of negative side effects OR the hops eliminated

the negative factors of restlessness & bad dreams?



Hops, despite their rather strong aromatic profile have been used in SLEEP

pillows here in the UK as a sedative, to encourage sleep, ease restlessness &

nervous tension/anxiety rather than poteniating dreams. As far as I've read.



It is also contraindicated for those suffering from {severe) depression.



Rene Burrough



PS: I think we sometimes learn more from the exceptions to the rule than the

rule itself;  just wondering if that's the case here.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 08:42:24 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Gingko Biloba and Hops as Inhalants?

In-Reply-To:  <951226095135_100735.543_EHV55-1@CompuServe.COM>



On Tue, 26 Dec 1995, Rene Burrough wrote:



> Jack,

> Sorry, I'm having trouble with a preposition of yours. You eliminated hops

> from sleeping areas, etc because of negative side effects OR the hops

> eliminated the negative factors of restlessness & bad dreams?



All of us, this year, had problems with restlessness and bad dreams

starting with the introduction of the hops, and ending shortly after they

had been removed (in 3 different households).



> Hops, despite their rather strong aromatic profile have been used in SLEEP

> pillows here in the UK as a sedative, to encourage sleep, ease restlessness &

> nervous tension/anxiety rather than poteniating dreams. As far as I've read.



Correct, which is why I brought them in.  I used the a few years ago and

had no problems.

I was very surprised this year.  Will try it again with the next crop.



> It is also contraindicated for those suffering from {severe) depression.



Could be a connection but am not sure.



Jack vL



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 13:18:02 -0800

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From:         "Patricia E. Schneider" <AlishtaSun@EWORLD.COM>

Subject:      Taylor's Herbs



Greetings,



A few years back I ordered some wonderful herb plants from a place called

Taylor's in CA.  I tried to call them last year and the line was not in

service.  The operator could find no listing either.



Anyone know if they are still in business?  If so, do you have a phone #?

If not, anyone know where I can get gota kola seeds or plants?



Thanks,

AE



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 16:34:18 -0500

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From:         Mabel Haak <Abidingmbm@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bugs - Crickets



Any suggestions on how to repel or get rid of crickets?  I plan on storing

some items and am concerned about the clothing.  Thanks for your suggestions.



Mabel

abidingmbm@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 16:40:56 -0500

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From:         "Peter L. Berghold" <peterb@SUPERLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Bugs - Crickets



At 04:34 PM 12/26/95 -0500, Mabel Haak wrote:

>Any suggestions on how to repel or get rid of crickets?  I plan on storing

>some items and am concerned about the clothing.  Thanks for your suggestions.

>



I've never been too concerned about crickets.  My cats seem to keep up with

them just fine! :)

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 17:17:09 -0500

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From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Taylor's Herbs



Taylor's went out of business early in 1994 due to a variety of problems.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 17:21:26 -0500

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From:         David Varga <dvarga@ZELACOM.COM>

Subject:      Dosages of tinctures



Does anyone know the dosages or range of dosages commonly used in dandelion,

red clover and St Johns Wort tinctures? Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks!    - Dave Varga      dvarga@capaccess.org



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 14:40:57 -0800

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Subject:      Re: Dosages of tinctures



At 05:21 PM 12/26/95 -0500, you wrote:

>Does anyone know the dosages or range of dosages commonly used in dandelion,

>red clover and St Johns Wort tinctures? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

>

>Thanks!    - Dave Varga      dvarga@capaccess.org



The first question should be why are you taking these, for an acute problem,

for a chronic problem, or an every day tonic dose?



Howie Brounstein

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http://www.teleport.com/~howie/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 14:53:00 -0800

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From:         Tilley et al <dtilley@DIRECT.CA>

Subject:      Bugs, bugs, and more bugs



Hi and Happy Boxing Day!  I have been lurking for a month or so and have

found the discussions fascinating.  Since pestiferous creatures seem to be

the hot topic lately, maybe someone knows how to keep carpet beetles *out*

of the house (and away from my nice Persian and Oriental carpets) in a

civilized, herbal way.  I had never heard of carpet beetles before last

year, when a rug started unravelling.  Moths are easy to see, but these

carpet creatures are great lurkers too.  Also, sow bugs (wood lice, I think

they are also called).  Piles of diatomaceous earth in the living room just

look aesthetically pleasing when guests drop in...????



********************************************

The trumpet of a prophecy! O Wind

If Winter comes, can Spring be far behind?

(Guess!)

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 21:43:42 -0500

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From:         Marilynne Durrett-Johnson <Mjbdj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bugs - Crickets



Mabel,



Once again, cats are a good answer.  Cats love crickets.  I've seen many a

cat chase and devour a cricket.



Melle

mjbdj@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 26 Dec 1995 22:32:37 -0500

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From:         Mabel Haak <Abidingmbm@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bugs - Crickets



Hello all,



Thanks for your response regarding using cats for crickets.  I have a cat

that "used" to kill crickets, but  no longer does.  However, that aside, my

clothing, funiture, etc. will be stored in a garage or a storage space where

there will be no access for a cat but plenty of access for crickets.  Any

other ideas?



Thanks,



Mabel

abidingmbm@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 27 Dec 1995 10:38:31 -0500

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From:         "Frederick A. Weber" <Herbfred@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bugs, bugs, and more bugs



I remember reading that if you hang Artemisia leaves deter some types of

beetles but I am not sure if they mentioned carpet beetles.



Herbfred (Fred)



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From:         "Frederick A. Weber" <Herbfred@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Sandy Lome Soil



I am new to herb gardening and I will be planting in sandy lome soil and was

hoping that maybe someone out there might suggest the best herbs for this

soil.  I will gladly keep you updated on what I find as I grow my crop.



Thankyou,



Herbfred (Fred)



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From:         Roger Bastin <bastinkk@CUCI.NL>

Subject:      Cotton Lavender Question



Might be somebody out there that can help.



As a small nursery specialised in herbs and aromatic plants we serve a very

knowledgable public. We have about 44 lavenders 50 origanums and 34

rosemaries in our collection.



 I have great difficulties with naming the genus Santolina. I've had so

many misnamed varieties from other nurseries so far that it almost causes

me bad dreams. If by chance someone knows something that might help, this

would be very welcome.



 I've seen all synonyms; S. viridis, S. virens, S. rosmarinifolia, listed

as different plants in catalogues especially in English nurseries. But in

every referencebook I own they are piled under S. rosmarinifolia. So I

don't find a backing for maintaining these varieties. In other words do you

find that these names should be reintroduced? There are differences but are

they big enough not only for ssp. or cv. arranging but for S. viridis, S.

virens, S. rosmarinifolia to be different species? Below is a listing of

what I have collected so far.



Some of the other problems arising are; _Santolina rosmarinifolia ssp.

canescens_ has never arrived as such but I assume this to be a possible

name for this very distinct variety. It is green-glaucus with a very erect

habit. The less cut leaves resemble Rosmarinus leaves more than any of the

others.  _S. c. nana_ with its bushy habit and fast growt is more a _S.

pinnata_ type than a _S. chamaecyparissus_ in my opinion, so far I never

I've never seen it listed as such in any nursery around here. The

_Santolina chamaecyparissus 'Small-Ness_ is green like _ S.

rosmarinifolia_.



"Santolina chamaecyparissus"

"Santolina chamaecyparissus nana/Santolina chamaecyparissus var corsica"

"Santolina chamaecyparissus 'Small-Ness'"

"Santolina 'Lambrook Silver'/S. chamaecyparissus 'Lambrook Silver'"

"Santolina 'Lemon Queen'/S. chamaecyparissus 'Lemon Queen'"

"Santolina pinnata 'Edward Bowles'/S. pinnata ssp. neapolitana 'Edward

Bowles'/S. chamaecyparissus 'Edward Bowles'"

"Santolina pinnata ssp. neapolitana"

"Santolina pinnata ssp. tomentosa/(S. chamaecyparissus ssp. tomentosa)"

"Santolina 'Pretty Carol'/S. chamaecyparissus 'Pretty Carol'/S. incana

'Pretty Carol' (org. Iden)"

"Santolina rosmarinifolia/(S. virens / S. viridis)"

"Santolina rosmarinifolia ssp. canescens"

"Santolina serratifolia"

"Santolina virens/(Santolina rosmarinifolia ssp. rosmarinifolia Index)"





Thank you in advance, with best wishes for 1996.



Roger Bastin

Kruidenkwekerij, V.O.F. Roger & Linda Bastin

Kruiden, Geurplanten en bijzondere tuinplanten

Trichterweg 148a, 6446 AT Brunssum, Nederland,

Tel.: **31-45-5231475, Email; bastinkk@cuci.nl



Roger Bastin

Kruidenkwekerij, V.O.F. Roger & Linda Bastin

Kruiden, Geurplanten en bijzondere tuinplanten

Trichterweg 148a, 6446 AT Brunssum, Nederland,

Tel.: **31-45-5231475, Email; bastinkk@cuci.nl



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Fleas



I am away from home at the moment, and I have a friend looking after my

apartment and my cats.  I know I was beginning to get a flea problem before I

left, as I can't stand the chemical cat collars, so I was feeding the cats a

yeast and garlic supplement which helped a lot.  And before I left I put

borax all over the carpets.  I did the borax at my mum's house last year, and

we still don't have fleas here, but my apartment/cat sitting friend tells me

that the place is covered in fleas to the point that she has flea bites all

over her legs (just thinking about it makes me itch).

Does anyone have any suggestions?  I am very senstive to all perfumes and

chemicals, so I don't want to have to bomb the place, or even use any

plants/herbs/oils that smell too much.  I'm not particularly looking forward

to going home,,,



Dara



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From:         Tania Gutierrez <tgutierr@LANE.K12.OR.US>

Subject:      Re: herbal deoderant smells



>the valerian (i can't spell) has astringient propperties, myrrh smells NICE

>, it has been used in incense (they brought gifts of gold, frankincense and

>myrrh...) and sage smells, well, like turkey stuffing.   Youll figure iit

>out!

>

Tommy's right... myrrh does smell wonderful.  As for the valerian... I don't

know about it's uses in deodorant, but the dried herb that I have STINKS!  I

have to make sure I keep it in a jar that is sealed very well, otherwise my

cupboards reek of the stuff.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      Re: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR



>>Also, do you guys know where i can find patchouli? Thanks, tommy.



Tommy,



Here in Oregon, you can find it everywhere... I'd be happy to send you some

if you like.



Tania



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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Absinthe, Wormwood & Thujone

Comments: To: howieb@teleport.com



I thought you might be interested in more complete information about

absinthe, wormwood and thujone, after our recent exchange on the subject.

I've come across a comprehensive summary about it in Jonathan Ott's superb

"Pharmacotheon." (Although using his name with any glowing adjective is

redundant because everything I've seen of his is so complete, exhaustive and

thoroughly researched and studied.)



"Absinthe was prepared by distilling alcohol over mashed leaves of wormwood,

and other common ingredients were Angelica root, Acorus calamus rhizome

(which may contain the psychoactive asarones;...), cinnamon, fennel seed,

star anise (both of which contain anethole, another potentially psychoactive

compounds...) and other plants. The characteristic and much-desired green

color of the liqueur, which was supposed to whiten when mixed with water, was

sometimes artificially enhanced by addition of indigo and other plants, or

toxic metal salts like copper sulfate and antimony chloride...



He chronicles the history of the banning of absinthe and a recent renewal of

interest in absinthe, then says:



"It is commonly assumed that the thujones were the neurotoxic principles of

absinthe, although alcohol also is a potent neurotoxin (absinthe contained

from 68-85% alcohol) and significant quantities of copper and antimony salts

used as adulterants (particularly in cheap imitation absinthe for the poorer

classes) may have been present and responsible for the neurotoxicity...While

large doses of injected thujones are unquestionably toxic, modern

toxicological studies of thujones, in the quantities present in absinthe,

without the copper and antimony adulterants, are needed before concluding

that the neurotoxicity associated with absinthism was a consequence of

thujone content. I suspect the copper and antimony salts, as well as the

unusually high alcohol content had more to do with absinthe toxicity than the

thujone content. Non-thujone essential oils commonly present in absinthe have

also been shown to have convulsant properties and are probably neurotoxic."



The obvious inference is that thujone is unlikely the culprit in

"absinthism." And even though he acknowledges the toxicity of "large doses of

injected thujones," the operative words are "large" and "injected." It may be

assumed (without any evidence to support this statement) that swallowing

thujone in some form (tea, for example) would subject it to the chemical

rigors of digestion, a pathway that is much different from intravenous or

even intramuscular injection. Whether the same can be said for, say, smoking

a thujone-containing plant is another matter since inhalation effectuates a

much more direct transfer into the blood without the intervention of

hydrochloric acid, pepsin and other digestive enzymes.



--Dale--



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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Gingko Biloba and Hops as Inhalants?



It's not just the alcohol in beer that gets you "hopped-up"



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From:         "Czekalski.E" <e.czekalski@MA02Q.BULL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sandy Lome Soil



You are lucky.  Sandy soil is easy to work with.  Its two drawbacks are that it

lacks nutrients and water drains through it quickly.  You can fix that over time

by adding organic material.  Mulches like straw and leaves will help keep the

earth from drying out and as you till them in, will add just what your soil

needs.  Until that happens you just need to water more often and use a little

more fertilizer (organic, slow release so that you are not fertilizing the water

table).



Many of the herbs used for food preparation do very well in soil that is dry and

not very rich.  Thymes, oregano, all of the mint family (some like to be a

little wet).  Depending on the warmth of your winter there are many others.



Esther





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From:         Devin Starlanyl <devstar@EMPATH.WIN.NET>

Subject:      request for help



I have a friend who picked up a strange paracite from her

Vietnamese daughter.   A long course of Flagyl took care of it, but

almost took care of my friend.  The buggy is back.  Is there an

herb that might be of use?  Regards, Devin Starlanyl M.D.



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From:         Mabel Haak <Abidingmbm@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal deoderant smells



I'm just curious where one would get myrrh and the cost.



Mabel

abidingmbm@aol.com



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From:         "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@MAIL.ORION.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Slugs

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On Thu, 21 Dec 1995, Robert Seidel wrote:



> Put a small container (jar lid) full of beer (your choice what brand) in the

> pot.  The little alchies will go for the brew and indulge to their ruination.



University tests show that the better quality, full body beers attract

more slugs.  You might also try Diatomaceous Earth (the finely ground

shell of the Diatom).



Stephen J. Marsden, The Herbal Advantage

Route 3, Box 93

Rogersville, MO 65742-9214

Phone: 417-753-3999  Fax: 417-753-2000

SMARSDEN@MAIL.ORION.ORG

"GlobalHerb" Natural Medicine Software



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From:         "Frederick A. Weber" <Herbfred@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fleas



Dara, if you can get a hold of the book entitled "The Complete Book of Herbs"

look at page 195 under STREWING and it lists several herbs you could place

sprigs of under carpets or doormats or hang on the porch or patio to help

repel fleas.  If you prefer, or anyone else, I will list them here on the

list for you to view.  It is a long one.



Herbfred



P.S. If you would like you may E-mail me directly.



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From:         "Frederick A. Weber" <Herbfred@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: request for help



I may have some suggestions from references but I need to know if it is

internal or external.  If internal, where?



Herbfred



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From:         "Frederick A. Weber" <Herbfred@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal deoderant smells



Mabel,



Another name for Myrrh is sweet cicley but the catalogues I have do not have

it listed.



Herbfred



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From:         Shaula Evans <sevans@AWINC.COM>

Subject:      Re: request for help



At 12:45 AM 12/28/95 +0200, Devin Starlanyl wrote:

>I have a friend who picked up a strange paracite from her

>Vietnamese daughter.   A long course of Flagyl took care of it, but

>almost took care of my friend.  The buggy is back.  Is there an

>herb that might be of use?  Regards, Devin Starlanyl M.D.



I just bought some Para-Free by Organika, and it is reputed to work well

against parasites.



Each capsule contains:



caprylic acid, 150 mg

odourless garlic, 150 mg

grapefruit seed extract, 100 mg

protease (plant source), 100 mg

green hull black walnut, 20 mg

wormwood, 20 mg

freshly ground cloves, 20 mg

pumpkin seed, 20 mg

L-Acidophilus, 2 billion cell count



The directions are to take 2 capsules, 1/2 hour before meals, 3 times

daily, for one month.



The non-herbal ingredients here should be available in most health food stores.



Shaula



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From:         Cunegonde@AOL.COM

Subject:      How to murder fleas



A good way to kill a lot of fleas is to plug a blue nightlight into low wall

socket and place a dish of water directly beneath it with a squirt of

dishwashing detergent in it.  Attracted to the light, they'll hop in and

drown.



Also, if you smoke or chew tobacco, fleas won't bite you, but I wouldn't

recommend that solution.  It's kind of like drinking a litre of vodka every

day to combat stress.



/c



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From:         Edward Bennett <ebennett@DHVX20.CSUDH.EDU>

Subject:      pine cone cleaning and scenting question



Hello all,



        How was everyone's Christmas?  Mine was cool, got alot of clothes as

usual, but really nice ones.

        Anyways, heres what I am asking, I've got these pine cones that are

sorta covered in pine sap as usual and I would like to clean off the sap from

all of the pine cone to be later scented.  What is the best and easiest way to

accomplish this, is there a solvent that I can soak it in that would dissolve

it away?

        Secondly, what are some creative ways to strongly scent pine cones?  I

was thinking (having no background in doing this though) of putting the cones

into a large mason like glass jar and dripping an "X" amount of essential or

potpourii oil on the pine cones and in the jar, then sealing the jar and

storing it in the dark for an "X" amount of time just like making regular

potpourii.  How does that sound???

        Well, any help and ideas would be greatly appreciated.  And hope you

all have a Happy New Years!!!



Edward Bennett

ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu



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From:         "Susan L. Nielsen" <snielsen@EDNET1.OSL.OR.GOV>

Subject:      How to Murder Fleas



Just saw this in _Gardener's Supply Company_ catalog and,

while nematodes are not herbs, they might provide some

non-toxic (to hominids) help to you poor, infested folks

out there:



"Natural Flea Control," says the catalog, and describes

"Nature Gard for Fleas" thusly:



"In university tests, Nature Gard killed 90-99% of immature

fleas within 24 hours [doesn't say which university, but it's

an ad, not a monograph]." You spray the packaged nematodes on

the lawn where your pets run, and the pesky li'l fellers

infect the fleas with a bacterium [doesn't say which bacterium,

but suggests that it is one interested specifically in fleas].



I realize this doesn't get them out of the carpet -- though

you might consider it indoors if you're desperate enough 8-)

-- but it does address them where they come in from, and ought

to be a good deal less toxic than the Sevin my mother sprays on

her lawn for the purpose.  It's not cheap, however: $16.95 USD

for a quantity covering 2400 sq. ft., and providing protection

for 4-6 weeks.  Having lived with a dear dog who spent some

miserable summers, I'd probably have given it a shot (outdoors).



For those 3 or 4 individuals who don't already receive multiple

copies of their catalog: Gardener's Supply Company, 128 Intervale

Rd., Burlington, VT 05401-2850, USA.



Susan Nielsen



--

Susan Nielsen, Shambles Workshops      |"...Gently down the

PO Box 16571, Portland, OR 97216, USA  |stream..."

snielsen@orednet.org                   |           -- Anon.



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From:         Susan Battle <sbattle@AGORA.RDROP.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal deoderant smells

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On Wed, 27 Dec 1995, Frederick A. Weber wrote:



> Mabel,

>

> Another name for Myrrh is sweet cicley but the catalogues I have do not have

> it listed.



The Myrrh that I referred to in the original post about herbal deodorant

smells is Myrrh gum or Commiphora Molmol. This is a resin. It is

tinctured in a very high percentage of alcohol. When I make this

tincture the overwhelming smell is of alcohol, and the myrrh fragrance

much less so. This is why I wondered what accounted for the pleasant

fragrance of the deodorant.

I get Myrrh gum at a local herb shop.



Susan

sbattle@agora.rdrop.com



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Subject:      Re: herbal deoderant smells



At 19:56 27.12.95 -0500, Herbfred@aol.com wrote:

>Mabel,

>

>Another name for Myrrh is sweet cicley but the catalogues I have do not have

>it listed.



NOT true. Sweet cicely is Myrrhis odorata. Myrrh is Commiphora sp.



Henriette

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Subject:      Re: pine cone cleaning and scenting question



At 17:41 27.12.95 PST, ebennett@dhvx20.csudh.edu wrote:



>        Anyways, heres what I am asking, I've got these pine cones that are

>sorta covered in pine sap as usual and I would like to clean off the sap from

>all of the pine cone to be later scented.  What is the best and easiest way to

>accomplish this, is there a solvent that I can soak it in that would dissolve

>it away?



A tip from rec.crafts.misc (or was it rec.crafts): bake them. Then the

sap won't stick to anything, but it'll still be decorative.



Or do like the olde Finns did: scrape off all the sap and use it as a

nice chewing gum.

I've tasted it... yech. You have to chew for a LOONG time before it

even gets soft ... or before it comes off your teeth after you've managed

that. Good way to get rid of your fillings, too. Can't imagine why those

oldtimers started the habit, way back when. Maybe there was a shortage

of chewing tobacco? It's a no-no if you have kidney problems, too.



>        Secondly, what are some creative ways to strongly scent pine cones?  I

>was thinking(having no background in doing this though) of putting the cones



Why would you want pine cones to smell of anything else but pine? It's

a really nice smell.



Henriette

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Myrrh



There seems to be some confusion developing regarding myrrh. The myrrh that

is probably in the deodorant is a resin from the Commiphora myrrah shrub.

It is used in incense and toothpaste and perfume. It has an antiseptic

property. Sweet cicely carries the botanical name Myrrhis odorata and is

not related to the myrrh in question.

The first resource that comes to mind (in the US) is The Rosemary House,

120 S. Market St. Mechanicsburg, PA 17055. (717) 697-5111. They carry myrrh

resin and frankincense as well. No doubt several companies that sell

potpourri or perfume supplies will have it available too.



Chris



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Subject:      Re: Carpet Bugs



It is said that the ancient Persians rolled their rugs with patchouli. This

is supposedly how the herb became connected with royalty. I have kept

fabric and Navajo rugs stored in a patchouli/lavender blend and have not

experienced any bug problems. Of course, this is anedotal advice. Many herb

plant sellers sell patchouli. I believe that both Companion Plants (Ohio)

and Logee's Greenhouses Connecticut) sells it via mail order. I am unable

to confirm this though as I didn't bring all my catalogs to Malaysia.

Check with Maureen Rogers, The Herb Growing & Marketing Network, at

herbworld@aol.com for adddresses if you can't locate them



Chris



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From:         Rene Burrough <100735.543@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Gingko Biloba and Hops as Inhalants?



Jack:



Have you considered possible contamination of your last hops crop?  You can be

organic, but maybe your neighbors aren't. Cropdusting? Spraying? Could you

have been downwind of an industrial accident?  Maybe some sort of chemcial

spillage got into the river system/water table?  Farm fertilizers leeching?

Something other than what you've used...and outside your control...could have

poisoned the soil...or the hop plants themselves.



Considering that you've used hops before and did not suffer adverse reactions,

I think an outside contaminant is worth considering or re-considering.



I haven't studied hops indepth...so I don't know if the adverse reactions

cited are consistent with an a-normal <norm>.  F'instance: chamomile keeping

people awake at night; it's certainly not high of the list of positive

actions, but it also does happen. I dunno...just a thought



Rene Burrough



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Subject:      Re: herbal deoderant smells



>>Another name for Myrrh is sweet cicley but the catalogues I have do not have

>>it listed.

>

>NOT true. Sweet cicely is Myrrhis odorata. Myrrh is Commiphora sp.

>

Common Names are bogus. Around here, Eugene, Oregon, Sweet Cecely is also

called sweet root and is Osmorhiza chilensis! The common name Spring Beauty

is worse, there is two of them within a hundred miles of here.



Now to the smell. When I first was learning about herbs I read that the

Chinese use Oil of Valerian for a perfume. I smelled dried Valerian, and

figured it must be some kind of racial slur. Then I smelled fresh Valerian

... the musky, aromatic, to most even pleasant earthy smell. Finally I found

out that a mountainous Chinese species is even more pleasantly aromatic, and

that the oil of that Valerian is used in perfumes today. Some essential oil

sellers carry it, but it's spendy.



I'm not sure of the exact species of Valerian, perhaps it was Valeriana

odorata, but that a complete attempt at a guess. Have to look it up some day.



Meanwhile, back on the herb list, that perfume we've been discussing. I'd

say that the Valeriana is probably added for smell! It may even be the main

smell. Can't see any other reason to add it.



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howie/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."



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From:         Mary Regit <Mary8100@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fleas



>my apartment/cat sitting friend tells me

>that the place is covered in fleas to the point that she has flea bites all

>over her legs



Dara,



BIG problem!  You are infested with starving fleas.  I'm a former cat

breeder, so let me offer some advice.



First, get yourself and the cats out of the apartment.  It is a health

hazard.  Not Forever, just for a day, until you have the problem under

control.  Bring the cats to your veterinarian.  They must be de-flead.

If they are longhaired cats, have them shaved down.  Have them checked

and treated for tapeworm and ringworm, both are carried by fleas.



When the cats are at the vet's, Bomb.  I don't like it, but you need

drastic measures.  You can purchase bombs that are based on citrus

products that are odorless and dissipate quickly.  Remember the bomb only

kills fleas where it can reach - remove cushions from chairs, take linens

off the bed.  Then vaccuum your house, Thoroughly, and steam clean all

carpets, drapes and upholstery.  Dispose of the vaccuum bags.  Clean all

fabric - bed linens, cat trees, even towels.  Do all your laundry.  Flea

eggs are about this size   .   so they get in everywhere, and they keep

hatching and hatching anc hatching.   Sprinkle borax or a commercial

dessicant in the carpets, and into cracks at baseboards and tiles to dry

up remaining eggs.



When you bring your cats home, crate them in a room without carpeting,

and change their litter and bedding twice a day.  Immediately wash the

bedding and the cats environment in very hot water with a 5% bleach

solution.  Vaccuum daily, steam clean weekly, and keep your cats isolated

for at least three months.  You can buy a cat "condo" for about $115.

Groom the cats daily, bathe in Novalsan weekly, and keep up with an

anti-internal and external parasite regimine.



When your apartment is de-flead, and most importantly rid of all the flea

eggs, then adding yeast and garlic to the diet is an excellent preventative.





Good luck,



Mary



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>I have a friend who picked up a strange paracite from her

>Vietnamese daughter.   A long course of Flagyl took care of it, but

>almost took care of my friend.



Was the buggy Giardia?



Mary



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Subject:      Meeting on Phytoliths Research (fwd)

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> 1st EUROPEAN MEETING ON PHYTOLITHS RESEARCH

> Madrid (Spain), 23-25 June 1996

>

> CALL FOR PAPERS - Second Circullar (Abstract)

>

> Dear colleagues,

> There was a great response to the First Circular. More than 125 researchers declared to attend the Meeting in Madrid. We have contributors from Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Chile, China, Finland, France, Germany, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, Korea, Mexico, New Zeland, Russian Federation, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom and United States of America.

>

> The main scope is the study of opal and calcium oxalate phytoliths. For an optical thematic presentation of the contributions you are kindly asked to attribute your communication to one of the following sections:

> - Section 1. Phytoliths in soils.

> - Section 2. Phytoliths in plants.

> - Section 3. Phytoliths and archaeology.

> - Section 4. Phytoliths and paleoecology.

>

> Communications (oral or poster). Twenty minutes will be alloed for oral presentation. In order to organize more exchanges and discussion participants are kindly requested to present posters. Maximum poster dimensions will not exceed 120 cm (high) x 240 cm (wide). Deadline for submiting the abstracts to organizers is 1st June 1996.

>

> The official languages for abstracts and papers, as well as oral and poster sessions of the Meeting, will be Spanish and English.

>

> Costs.- The registration fees includes abstracts and documentation. Members of AEQUA, SECS/ISSC and Society for Phytoliths Research: 15.000 pts/Non members: 20.000 pts/Students: 10.000 pts.

>

> Correspondence concerning the symposium should be send to:

>

> Ascension Pinilla.- Centro de Ciencias Medioambientales (CSIC), Serrano, 115 dpo. E-28006-MADRID. tel.34-3-5625020 fax.34-3-5640800

>

> Jordi Juan-Tresserras-SERP/Universidad de Barcelona, Facultad Geografia e Histstoria, Baldiri i Reixac s/n, E-08028-BARCELONA e-mail:juan@trivium.gh.ub.es





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:32:05 -0500

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From:         Larry Barrick <barrick@AHCBSD1.OVNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fleas



>I am away from home at the moment, and I have a friend looking after my

>apartment and my cats.  I know I was beginning to get a flea problem before I

>left, as I can't stand the chemical cat collars, so I was feeding the cats a

>yeast and garlic supplement which helped a lot.  And before I left I put

>borax all over the carpets.  I did the borax at my mum's house last year, and

>we still don't have fleas here, but my apartment/cat sitting friend tells me

>that the place is covered in fleas to the point that she has flea bites all

>over her legs (just thinking about it makes me itch).

>Does anyone have any suggestions?  I am very senstive to all perfumes and

>chemicals, so I don't want to have to bomb the place, or even use any

>plants/herbs/oils that smell too much.  I'm not particularly looking forward

>to going home,,,

>

>Dara



>flea helpers



>I have a cat and a dog that both are out side in the country and get fleas.

In the house we have found that using a small device you can buy at the

local hardware store or make if you are incline. The store bought version is

two plastic trays. the first pan or tray is on the bottom and has a yellow

sticky contact paper in it. The other tray has a night lite mounted on it

and is is suppended 3-4 in. above the first tray with heavy wire (like a

coat hanger).



The fleas are attracted to the light and fall on the stick paper and are

trapped. We have put one in each of our rooms and have no problems with

fleas in the house sence. My brother has made several using pie pans and had

good results. We have only used the yellow sticky paper which is two sided.



barrick@ahcbsd1.ovnet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 09:03:11 -0800

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From:         "Susan L. Nielsen" <snielsen@EDNET1.OSL.OR.GOV>

Subject:      Re: pine cone cleaning and scenting question



Henriette Kress wrote of the sap on pine cones:



>Or do like the olde Finns did: scrape off all the sap and use it as a

>nice chewing gum.

>Good way to get rid of your fillings, too. Can't imagine why those

>oldtimers started the habit, way back when.



Maybe they didn't have fillings then, and were holding their

teeth together...



Susan



--

Susan Nielsen, Shambles Workshops      |"...Gently down the

PO Box 16571, Portland, OR 97216, USA  |stream..."

snielsen@orednet.org                   |           -- Anon.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 13:10:09 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: pine cone cleaning and scenting question



Try soaking the cones (brown and not green I hope)  in pure grain alcohol to

remove resin. (Saving dissolved resin for other scenting usage)



Or you might consider leaving the natural resins on the cones as they are the

real thing. The will help tp "fix" whatever fragrance you plan to add.  Your

plan about scenting them like a potpourri is right on.



For great raw materials, try The Essential Oil Company 800-729-5912



Good luck and happy holidays



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 13:14:12 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Traditional Smudging herb



Absinthe makes the parts grow fonder!!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 13:19:13 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Myrrh



Oil of Myrrh (three drops)  Oil Peppermint (two drops) and goldenseal powder

mixrd into a paste makes a great application for swollen or sore gums.



The oils are easier to use than the gums or gum-resins.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 13:21:20 EST

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From:         BOB SCOTT <URWD77A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Spider mites and Whiteflies



My wife just came upstairs with the announcements of our new  house

guests. How is the best way to get rid of them and keep them away?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 13:24:52 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Carpet Bugs



Patchouli oil is indeed a good insect repellant.  As are all members of the

mint family.



Try soaking a cotton ball in a mixture of patch, peppermint and sage oils,

and  put the odorous cotton in a glass jar with holes punched into the lid.

 Wrap the jar in your rug.  The Bugs won't be snug in your rug.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 13:35:17 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR



The Essential Oil Company (800)729-5912 carries some of the finest Oil of

Patchouli around.  The liquid is stronger and easier to use than the dry

plant material



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:02:02 -0500

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From:         "Frederick A. Weber" <Herbfred@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal deoderant smells



Try lowering the percentage of alcohol to reduce the alcoholic smell.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:02:06 -0500

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From:         "Frederick A. Weber" <Herbfred@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cotton Lavender Question



In one of my ref. books S. virens and S. viridis are listed together but S.

rosmarinifolia is listed seperately with a different description as follows:



S. virens and S. viridis: Bright-yellow button flowers and threadlike

pungent, vivid green leaves (photo given).



S. rosmarinifolia: Yellow flowers and small rosemarylike, willow-green

leaves, which have a less pungent, sweeter scent than S. c. (photo given).



Reference is "The Complete Book of Herbs" by Lesley Bremness, available

through Mellinger's 1996 Garden Catalogue, phone (216) 549-9861.  Catalogue

is free.



Fred



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:02:05 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Frederick A. Weber" <Herbfred@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Essential Oil Suppliers



Can someone please tell me how I can find a good essential oil supplier?  My

wife is allergic to many commercial skin-care products, and many of the

recipes that I have call for essential oils.



Thank you,



Fred



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:02:03 -0500

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From:         "Frederick A. Weber" <Herbfred@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fleas



Okay Janet, here's the list:



Bulb, basil, camomile, costmary, cowslip, daisies, fennel, germander, hops,

marjoram, meadowsweet, mint, pennyroyal, pine, rose, rosemary, sage,

southernwood, sweet flag, sweet woodruff, tansy, thuja, thyme, sweet violet,

winter savory.



Also, the book does say about burning leaves of fleasbane (Pulicharia

dysenterica), ploughsman's spikenard (Inulia conyza), mugwort or wormwood on

an open fire over low embers to destroy fleas and lice.  Encourage the fumes

to fill the room, but try to avoid breathing them.  I do remember you saying

that you are allergic to perfumes and such, so this may not be a very good

idea for you, but I thought I would include it for others on the list that

may wish to try it.



Hoping for the best with your problem. Please let us know how things work

out, and what you did.



Friend Fred



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:28:58 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Essential Oil Suppliers



The Essential Oil Company,  800-729-5912,  PO Box 206,  Lake Oswego,  OR

97034  Fax 503-697-0615



Supplying high quality pure essential oils to the industry for nearly 20

years.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:42:11 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bugs - Crickets



Crickets won't eat your clothing!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:44:09 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal deoderant smells



Oil of myrrh-- from the Essential Oil Co 800-729-5912



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:45:45 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal deoderant smells



Myrrh is a gum-resin  partially soluble in water partially in alcohol.  Use

the essential oil it's stronger and less costly in the long run.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 22:41:27 +0100

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From:         Daniel Wong <Daniel.Wong@PING.BE>

Subject:      Re: Fleas



I know exactly what you mean.  When I lived in Florida the problem was

incredible.

You could bomb everyday and it wouldn't help. following someones suggestion,

I put some mothballs in the upright vacuum cleaner bag and vacuumed

everyday. It solved the problem immediately. Being afraid of camphor fumes,

I think if I had the problem now, I would put diatomacious earth in the bag

and let their little exoskeletens dry out. Of course, the pet needs to be

flea-combed daily till the problem is under control. I found it helpful to

do this sitting near the toilet so when you throw the fleas in there they

stick to the water surface and can't jump back out.

Bonnie



At 01:04 PM 12/27/95 -0500, you wrote:

>I am away from home at the moment, and I have a friend looking after my

>apartment and my cats.  I know I was beginning to get a flea problem before I

>left, as I can't stand the chemical cat collars, so I was feeding the cats a

>yeast and garlic supplement which helped a lot.  And before I left I put

>borax all over the carpets.  I did the borax at my mum's house last year, and

>we still don't have fleas here, but my apartment/cat sitting friend tells me

>that the place is covered in fleas to the point that she has flea bites all

>over her legs (just thinking about it makes me itch).

>Does anyone have any suggestions?  I am very senstive to all perfumes and

>chemicals, so I don't want to have to bomb the place, or even use any

>plants/herbs/oils that smell too much.  I'm not particularly looking forward

>to going home,,,





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 17:19:03 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Fleas



Mothballs are made generally of napthalene not camphor.

Diatomateous earth doesn't dry them out, but rather works like broken glass

on those little exoskeletons.



This does however remind me of a joke.  "Have you ever smelled mothballs?"...



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:58:18 MST

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From:         Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

Subject:      Re: Essential Oil Suppliers



>The Essential Oil Company,  800-729-5912,  PO Box 206,  Lake Oswego,  OR

>97034  Fax 503-697-0615

>

>Supplying high quality pure essential oils to the industry for nearly 20

>years.



I've been in the business since 1969...take my word for it: Robert has good

stuff (almost makes me want to get back into retailing again!)



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:47:39 -0800

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Essential Oil Suppliers



At 03:58 PM 12/28/95 MST, you wrote:

>>The Essential Oil Company,  800-729-5912,  PO Box 206,  Lake Oswego,  OR

>>97034  Fax 503-697-0615

>>

>>Supplying high quality pure essential oils to the industry for nearly 20

>>years.

>

>I've been in the business since 1969...take my word for it: Robert has good

>stuff (almost makes me want to get back into retailing again!)



I'll second that! I've been doing business with Robert since

before I was doing herbs as a business.



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howie/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 19:03:10 -0600

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From:         "Janet S. Brunner" <wajabrun@WIN.BRIGHT.NET>

Subject:      Re: Essential Oil Suppliers



At 02:02 PM 12/28/95 -0500, you wrote:

>Can someone please tell me how I can find a good essential oil supplier?  My

>wife is allergic to many commercial skin-care products, and many of the

>recipes that I have call for essential oils.



Fred,

        Try "Aromaland, Inc."

               RR 20  Box 29AL

               Santa Fe, NM  87501

               Phone: (800) 933-5267

Janet Brunner

wajabrun@win/bright/net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 28 Dec 1995 23:10:45 -0500

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From:         David Varga <dvarga@ZELACOM.COM>

Subject:      Dosages of tinctures



Thanks for responding Howie.



The dosages that I would be interested in for dandelion, red clover and St

Johns Wort tinctures would be for the chronic and tonic dosages.  I made up

these tinctures last summer based on tincture information given on this list.

Several of my `herb friends' have been wanting to use the tinctures.



>Does anyone know the dosages or range of dosages commonly used in dandelion,

>red clover and St Johns Wort tinctures? Any help would be greatly appreciated.



>Thanks!    - Dave Varga      dvarga@capaccess.org



Ciao

click......



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 29 Dec 1995 08:59:08 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Studies



An online 'Herbal Studies' course will begin sometime in  January on America

Online.  It is a two-hour, four-week progressive course.  The first classes

will begin with an emphasis on commonly known, easy to find and grown herbs.

 Each week a new herb will be emphasized.  We will discuss the growing habits

of each herbs, what it's properties (healing, cleansing, etc.) are, and hwo

it can be used around the home.



For more information or teacher profile, GoTo Keyword Classes, then More.



For specifics, contact instructor at Henchpa@aol.com.

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