

From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: Major Minerals - dietary sources

From: Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com>

Date: 31 Aug 1996 23:21:34 GMT



And how are you feeling?



dn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: Major Minerals - dietary sources

From: Keith Shaffer <shaffer@seas.gwu.edu>

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 11:40:51 -0700



Della Noche wrote:

> 

> And how are you feeling?

> 

> dn



Self-evaluation can be tricky. Let's see...  I have lots of energy. The

organs of my body seem to be functioning well -- including those organs

for the senses, digestion, reproduction, respiration, blood circulation,

immunity from disease and others. My muscles and joints seem healthy and

my bones seem strong. My hair and skin are doing well. I feel mentally

alert. From my own subjective assessment, I feel great.



A few objective measures seem to confirm this. My heart rate and blood

pressure are healthy. My endurance, strength and flexibility are good. I

am doing well at work and at school.



I am glad you asked! I haven't really given too much thought to how I am

feeling, lately. Now after this self-evaluation, I think I am going to

have a good day.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: Major Minerals - dietary sources

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 19:10:00 GMT



Keith Shaffer <shaffer@seas.gwu.edu> wrote:



>During a six week period I weighed ALL of the food I ate and used a

>spreadsheet program to analyze the nutritive quailities of my diet. I

>was pleasently surprised at how easy it was to meet the RDA for most

>nutrients.



Just being curious.  What did you eat in a typical day to provide the

magnesium and calcium?



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: turf <turf@mindspring.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Alternative to Prozac?

From: Paul Anacker <anacker@fishnet.net>

Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:43:40 -0700



turf wrote:

> 

> In article <507und$gof@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Starrz says...

> >

> >I'm just curious to know if there is some sort of herbal alternative

> >to Prozac.  Does anyone have any 'recipes'.

> 

> Don't know of any herbal recipes.  Tryptophan is supposedly

> very similar in effects.  It is an amino acid that was banned from the

> market by the FDA after a contaminated batch was found.  Kind

> of like banning all pain relievers after the contaminated

> Tylenol was found.  Coincidentally, Prozac was introduced the

> very next week and quickly grew to a multibillion dollar

> profit maker, unlike the unpatentable and inexpensive tryptophan.

> Sounds like one for the conspiracy buffs to me.

> 

> However, tryptophan is still available from veterinarians

> and a couple of other sources, but, of course, is illegal for human

> consumption.

> 

> turf



A couple of notes - Most veterinarian tryptophan is of the same 

quality as that formerly available for human consumption, but check

with your sources as to quality.  Don't say that you are going to

consume it.  It is illegal to sell it for human consumption.  It 

is not illegal to consume it.



Tryptophan is a pre-curson to 5-Hydroxy-Tryptophan, which has many of

the same properties (sleep inducing, anxiety relief, etc.) as Tryptophan.

It has NOT been banned by the FDA and is available from a number of

sources.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Alternative to Prozac?

From: Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@netusa1.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 14:57:54 -0700



Starrz wrote:

> 

> I'm just curious to know if there is some sort of herbal alternative

> to Prozac.  Does anyone have any 'recipes'.  Thanks!

> 

> Starrz@primenet.comA friend o mine just asked me the same question. Answers found that 

tryptophan occurs naturally in pumpkin seeds, passion flower.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Alternative to Prozac?

From: n9kqk@hsonline.net (Scott Wilkerson)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 01:10:35 GMT



turf@mindspring.com (turf) wrote:



>In article <507und$gof@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Starrz says...

>>

>>I'm just curious to know if there is some sort of herbal alternative

>>to Prozac.  Does anyone have any 'recipes'.  



>**extra deleted**



I have seen a product from Gaia Herbs called "Phyto Proz Supreme", not

sure if it is what you are looking for though.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Alternative to Prozac?

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 12:02:38 -0400



In article <507und$gof@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Starrz says...



>>I'm just curious to know if there is some sort of herbal alternative

>>to Prozac.  Does anyone have any 'recipes'.



Yes.  Look into an herb called St. John's Wort.  An extract of SJW has

been shown in numerous clinical studies to be just as effective as

prescription antidepressants but with no side effects.  A few months ago I

switched from 40 mg of Prozac per day to SJW with excellent results.



David



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Alternative to Prozac?

From: bmealy@cse.ucsc.edu (Bryan Mealy)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 17:49:26 GMT



In article <50f0eu$p3u@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

DavePsych1 <davepsych1@aol.com> wrote:

>In article <507und$gof@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Starrz says...

>

>>>I'm just curious to know if there is some sort of herbal alternative

>>>to Prozac.  Does anyone have any 'recipes'.

>

>Yes.  Look into an herb called St. John's Wort.  An extract of SJW has

>been shown in numerous clinical studies to be just as effective as

>prescription antidepressants but with no side effects.  A few months ago I

>switched from 40 mg of Prozac per day to SJW with excellent results.

>

>David



I know nothing about this product but I thought it would be 

worth mentioning here. Gaia Herbs makes a product called "Phyto-proz".

It is a mixture of herbs with SJW being one is not the main 

ingredient. I bought some for an in-law but since he never took

it, I have no first hand knowledge of whether it works or not. 



Hope this helps.



-b







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: davepsych1@aol.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Alternative to Prozac?

From: Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com>

Date: 5 Sep 1996 17:21:29 GMT



Hi, David!  What amounts of what form are you taking?  Do you prefer a 

tincture?  



Tinctures are my own favorite way of ingesting herbs but I'm not sure how 

true that is generally.



Thanks,



dn



davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1) wrote:

>Look into an herb called St. John's Wort.  An extract of SJW has

>been shown in numerous clinical studies to be just as effective as

>prescription antidepressants but with no side effects.  A few months ago I

>switched from 40 mg of Prozac per day to SJW with excellent results.

>

>David







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Alternative to Prozac?

From: lwrnce@aol.com (Lwrnce)

Date: 13 Sep 1996 00:29:23 -0400



the company Herbs Etcetera makes a product known as "Deprezac" which was

apparently developed as an herbal alt. to prozac. and it comes in a

tincture.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Alternative to Prozac?

From: dberch19@sojourn.com (Doug Berch)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 03:25:53 GMT





In article <507und$gof@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Starrz wrote:



> I'm just curious to know if there is some sort of herbal alternative

> to Prozac.  Does anyone have any 'recipes'.  Thanks!

> 

> Starrz@primenet.com



I have never taken prozac, so I can't compare it to herbal remedies, but

during some very difficult times I have found kava kava to be very

helpful. I have also tried Gaia's phyto proz supreme and find it to be

very useful. It has a lot of kava kava, as well as Saint Johns Wort,

pasion flower, wild oats, and some other stuff.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Alternative to Prozac?

From: sromaro@vale.faroc.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:04:46 GMT



Paul Anacker <anacker@fishnet.net> wrote:



>turf wrote:

>> 

>> In article <507und$gof@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Starrz says...

>> >

>> >I'm just curious to know if there is some sort of herbal alternative

>> >to Prozac.  Does anyone have any 'recipes'.

>> 

>> Don't know of any herbal recipes.  Tryptophan is supposedly

>> very similar in effects.  It is an amino acid that was banned from the

>> market by the FDA after a contaminated batch was found.  Kind

>> of like banning all pain relievers after the contaminated

>> Tylenol was found.  Coincidentally, Prozac was introduced the

>> very next week and quickly grew to a multibillion dollar

>> profit maker, unlike the unpatentable and inexpensive tryptophan.

>> Sounds like one for the conspiracy buffs to me.

>> 

>> However, tryptophan is still available from veterinarians

>> and a couple of other sources, but, of course, is illegal for human

>> consumption.

>> 

>> turf



>A couple of notes - Most veterinarian tryptophan is of the same 

>quality as that formerly available for human consumption, but check

>with your sources as to quality.  Don't say that you are going to

>consume it.  It is illegal to sell it for human consumption.  It 

>is not illegal to consume it.



>Tryptophan is a pre-curson to 5-Hydroxy-Tryptophan, which has many of

>the same properties (sleep inducing, anxiety relief, etc.) as Tryptophan.

>It has NOT been banned by the FDA and is available from a number of

>sources.



some foods which are high in tryptophan are; soybeans, cottage cheese,

uncooked rice, fish, beef, peanuts, lentils, pumpkin seeds, sesame

seeds the RDA is 3mg/kg body weight.

i hope this is useful.



love ashryn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: how to ingest st.johns wort? hypericum...

From: jdipaulo@ix.netcom.com(James di Paulo )

Date: 1 Sep 1996 01:53:31 GMT



In <50a4na$k5c@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW

WOODY) writes: 

>>In <509ajl$t8e@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> callie@writepage.com (Callie)

>writes: 



>>>HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress) wrote:



>>>Hypericum, St.John's wort:

>>>The usual part you take is the buds and flowers, with an occasional

>>>leaf and seed left in. You use these fresh, either in a tincture

>>>(for internal use) or as an oil (for external use only.)

>

>I've never heard of using seed, only fresh bud and some leaf. But I

>always find fine powder at the bottom of my tincture, I always assumed

>that was pollen.  Maybe some of it was seed?

>

>>Be cautious using the oil.  IF you are one of the sucecptible ones,

>>getting SJW on your skin can cause a oozing rash when the sun hits

>>it. It doesn't have that effect taken internally, unless you are

>>really sensitive to it.  Also, keep it off your hands, and wash

>>thoroughly after harvesting and processing.

>

>The medicinal herb FAQ states there is very little evidence that this

>is a problem.  Reports of photosensitivity caused by SJW are

>widespread but even Michael Moore said he's only known of two people

>in his wide experience who've had any problem with it, and that was

>after massive use.  I don't mean this is *never* a problem, it's just

>very rare, and only after using *lots* of the herb. 

>

><snip>

>>Also, drying the buds and flowers is a heck of a lot simpler than

>>tincturing, filtering, decanting, etc.

>

>>>Dried isn't even half as potent as fresh, so forget about infusions

>>>and decoctions with dried herb.

>

>Dried SJW is virtually useless.  It may be easier than tincturing but

>it won't have the medicine.  Every source of information I've heard or

>read has said this. 

>

I believe it depends upon the herbalist and the objective. I quickly

scanned several books within reach of this machine and I see that

Michael Weiner recommends no internal use at all because of the

reported photosensivity in some people and animals, (he is very

conservative, as a rule); Michael Murray says the dried extract is best

with no mention of other methods; David Hoffman uses an infusion of

dried leaves and flowers OR the tinture; Richard Mobey recommends the

infusion for arthritis pain; Louise Fenny does not give a method; James

Green speaks of an oil infusion, says it is best when using fresh plant

material; John Lust mentions a tea or an oil extraction; Mrs. Grieve

speaks of an oil infusion or a tea; and John Gerard (for historical

interest) speaks of an oil/wine infusion. Michael Moore of course,

recommends alcoholic tintures for the majority of herbs. Even old

Jethro Kloss talked of steeping the seeds in water...  I didn't look

any farther, the subject does not warrant a lot of research. <smile>



I have quite a bit of experience using the herb as a water infusion,

using dried material, and it is quite effective in treating rheumatism,

arthritis and other pain. I have never noticed any unusual sensivity to

the Sun's rays, nor have I heard of this from others with first hand

experience with the herb. That only means that the people I am in

contact with are not sensivite to this, others may well be.



>Personally, I find SJW really easy to tincture, you don't even have to

>grind it up.  Just dump some vodka over the buds and a few leaves, and

>shake it up every day for a while.  It turns a really beautiful red

>color.  Then pour off the top, you don't have to press it all out if

>you don't want to.  If you do grind it up first in a blender, it turns

>the red color right away, it looks really neat.  

>

I'll bet it is pretty, the oil infusion has a lovely color also.



James



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: how to ingest st.johns wort? hypericum...

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 1 Sep 1996 06:45:02 -0700



meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY) wrote:



>Reports of photosensitivity caused by SJW are widespread

>but even Michael Moore said he's only known of two people in his wide

>experience who've had any problem with it, and that was after massive

>use.  I don't mean this is *never* a problem, it's just very rare, and

>only after using *lots* of the herb. 

   There is a difference between getting the herb directly ON your

skin  and consuming it ...  for one, the concentration in that limited

area will be much higher than the concentration you would have after

eating it.    As persons get into more of the processing, it will

start showing up.

  I, for one, can plow bare-legged through patches of poison oak and

sumac ... but my sister gets a rash from it.  Skins differ in their

sensitivity.



>Dried SJW is virtually useless.  It may be easier than tincturing but

>it won't have the medicine.  Every source of information I've heard or

>read has said this. 

  I have three sources (1755, 1782, and 1771) that specify "an

infusion of the flowers, fresh or dried" as a remedy for "melancholy".

They also recommend melissa (lemon balm) for it and for the insomnia

linden flowers.

Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: how to ingest st.johns wort? hypericum...

From: Mr. King <dking@sisna.com>

Date: 2 Sep 96 04:12:35 GMT



Does anyone know where I can buy seeds and grow my own St Johns.

Where do you buy it "fresh"????

I only see it dry in the store.

Does anyone know how to grow it?



 Thanks,



  Doug





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for problems w/ urinary track

From: sindara@pobox.com (Sharon R. Saroff)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 02:31:52 GMT



I have a friend who has problems w/ frequent urination.  She has tried

the over the counter and prescription anti-spasmatics, but these have

not worked.   Her symptoms are frequent urination which gets worse w/

the amount of fluid she consumes each day.  She is not a caffiene

drinker so coffee and tea is not a factor.  Are there any herbs she

should be taking to assist this?  Is this a symptom of any allergy or

digestive problem?



Thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for problems w/ urinary track

From: FlameWarrior@harrass.com (Flame Warrior)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 03:53:35 GMT



sindara@pobox.com (Sharon R. Saroff) wrote:



>I have a friend who has problems w/ frequent urination.  She has tried

>the over the counter and prescription anti-spasmatics, but these have

>not worked.   Her symptoms are frequent urination which gets worse w/

>the amount of fluid she consumes each day.  She is not a caffiene

>drinker so coffee and tea is not a factor.  Are there any herbs she

>should be taking to assist this?  Is this a symptom of any allergy or

>digestive problem?



>Thanks



Try "FRESH" Blueberries, Strawberries, and Cranberries.

Natures natural cleansers.



the most effective is juicing fresh cranberries and apples.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for problems w/ urinary track

From: Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@netusa1.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 15:26:39 -0700



Flame Warrior wrote:

> 

> sindara@pobox.com (Sharon R. Saroff) wrote:

> 

> >I have a friend who has problems w/ frequent urination.  She has tried

> >the over the counter and prescription anti-spasmatics, but these have

> >not worked.   Her symptoms are frequent urination which gets worse w/

> >the amount of fluid she consumes each day.  She is not a caffiene

> >drinker so coffee and tea is not a factor.  Are there any herbs she

> >should be taking to assist this?  Is this a symptom of any allergy or

> >digestive problem?

> 

> >Thanks

> 

> Try "FRESH" Blueberries, Strawberries, and Cranberries.

> Natures natural cleansers.

> 

> the most effective is juicing fresh cranberries and apples.Check in to Centaury, Corn Silk, Plantain, Shepard's Purse, Uva Ursi 

(A.K.A. Bearberry) and NaCl (Salt).



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for problems w/ urinary track

From: gladius@portal.ca (Linda de Gonzalez)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 96 07:22:10 GMT



Your friend's symptoms are classic diabetes symptoms. Get her to 

get tested for this NOW! Don't wait. Untreated diabetes is 100% fatal. 

Repeat: FATAL. 



Linda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for problems w/ urinary track

From: sindara@pobox.com (Sharon R. Saroff)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 03:19:39 GMT



My friend is hypoglycemic and checks her sugar levels regularly.  They

have been low normal for quite some time. In the 80-90 range.  So it

is not diabetes yet.  Are there any other suggestions?



Sharon













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for problems w/ urinary track

From: Mary Elizabeth <beth@orph.org>

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 10:17:52 -0400



Linda de Gonzalez wrote:

> 

> Your friend's symptoms are classic diabetes symptoms. Get her to

> get tested for this NOW! Don't wait. Untreated diabetes is 100% fatal.

> Repeat: FATAL.

> 

> Linda



Excuse me, but frequent urination ALONE is not necessarily a sign of

diabetes.  She should probably get tested for it just to be on the safe

side, but a number of other conditions could cause it; some people (like

me) just have weak urinary systems.  I find that a tincture of

dandelion, uva ursi, & a number of other herbs (it used to be called

"Kidney Tonic" but the manufacturers--Herbs Etc.--were worried about the

FDA getting after them) clears up this problem when it occurs (I used to

have trouble with it when I started high-impact aerobics).  If she likes

herb teas, tell her to combine uva ursi, cornsilk, cleavers, and parsley

and drink as much as possible, hot or cold.  Personally I find the

tincture easier to take.  



MEB



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for problems w/ urinary track

From: Erika Haynes <eek@io.com>

Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 20:44:33 -0500







On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Sharon R. Saroff wrote:



> I have a friend who has problems w/ frequent urination.  She has tried

> the over the counter and prescription anti-spasmatics, but these have

> not worked.   Her symptoms are frequent urination which gets worse w/

> the amount of fluid she consumes each day.  She is not a caffiene

> drinker so coffee and tea is not a factor.  Are there any herbs she

> should be taking to assist this?  Is this a symptom of any allergy or

> digestive problem?

> 

> Thanks

> 

> 



> 

1. Your friend should see a doctor, first thing. It could be something as

simple as a urinary tract infection, curable with antibiotics, if she uses

"modern medicine" or by things like cranberry juice, etc, if she does not.



it could also be a result of weak abdominal muscles, curable by regular

walks, sit-ups, and kegel excersises.



Then again, frequent urination is also one of the big signs of diabetes,

(ask her if she is als fatigued, experiences numbness in hands and/or

feet, and has dry skin on her feet, all symptoms of adult-onset diabetes)



Hope this helps, not trying to make her paranoid, but alot of big problems

start with small symptoms.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: alternative to Prozac.

From: chrdes@bconnex.net

Date: 1 Sep 1996 04:16:10 GMT



Yahh, Valerian, root especially.  Try adding Ginseng, Evening Primrose,  Vitamin E and high potency B 

Vitamins.   Happy, happy happy happy........



-Chris



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for animal pest control

From: chrdes@bconnex.net

Date: 1 Sep 1996 04:20:57 GMT



>   "Katherine M. Smith" <kms29@concentric.net> writes:

>  I am looking for an herbal solution to ridding my shed of mice.  I read 

>  somewhere that either lavendar or rosemary placed in a doorway is 

>  supposed to keep critters out.  I would like to ward them off, not kill 

>  them.		

>  

>  Thank you.

>  

>>>>

I have heard that placing whole cloves around entrance ways and 

anywhere they might like to nest works.



Good luck!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for animal pest control

From: a010999t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Daniel R  Cohen)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 21:28:03 GMT



Katherine M. Smith (kms29@concentric.net) wrote:

: I am looking for an herbal solution to ridding my shed of mice.  I read 

: somewhere that either lavendar or rosemary placed in a doorway is 

: supposed to keep critters out.  I would like to ward them off, not kill 

: them.		



The best thing I know of to keep mice away is the scent of a cat.  If you 

have a friend who has a cat borrow it for awhile and let it spend some 

time in the shed.  Even theshedded  hairfrom a cat carries its odor and 

might repel rodents.  --



Daniel R. Cohen

a010999t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for animal pest control

From: meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY)

Date: 3 Sep 1996 00:51:28 GMT



In <50fjh3$m3k@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us>

a010999t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Daniel R  Cohen) writes: 

>

>Katherine M. Smith (kms29@concentric.net) wrote:

>: I am looking for an herbal solution to ridding my shed of mice.  I

read 

>: somewhere that either lavendar or rosemary placed in a doorway is 

>: supposed to keep critters out.  I would like to ward them off, not

kill 

>: them.		



I was in a store yesterday and saw mouse traps that would capture the

mice live.  Sounds like a lot of work but it isn't killing them...







Meadow



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for animal pest control

From: Jackie Jernigan <jackiej@usit.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:40:59 -0400



MEADOW WOODY wrote:

> 

> In <50fjh3$m3k@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us>

> a010999t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Daniel R  Cohen) writes:

> >

> >Katherine M. Smith (kms29@concentric.net) wrote:

> >: I am looking for an herbal solution to ridding my shed of mice.  I

> read

> >: somewhere that either lavendar or rosemary placed in a doorway is

> >: supposed to keep critters out.  I would like to ward them off, not

> kill

> >: them.

> 

> I was in a store yesterday and saw mouse traps that would capture the

> mice live.  Sounds like a lot of work but it isn't killing them...

> 

> Meadow





I'm pretty sure rue will drive out mice if you strew it around.  Also,

my mom uses those live-trap mousetraps and she says they're great.  Bait

them with bacon or peanut butter.



--Dazazel



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for animal pest control

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:06:29 -0500



Jackie Jernigan wrote:

> 

> MEADOW WOODY wrote:

> >

> > In <50fjh3$m3k@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us>

> > a010999t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Daniel R  Cohen) writes:

> > >

> > >Katherine M. Smith (kms29@concentric.net) wrote:

> > >: I am looking for an herbal solution to ridding my shed of mice.  I

Get a cat. Mice were meant to feed higher carnivores.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for animal pest control

From: schro@pipeline.com

Date: 6 Sep 1996 16:02:10 GMT



In article <50fveg$ka7@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, WOODY writes: 

 

>In <50fjh3$m3k@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us> 

>a010999t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Daniel R  Cohen) writes:  

>> 

>>Katherine M. Smith (kms29@concentric.net) wrote: 

>>: I am looking for an herbal solution to ridding my shed of mice.  I 

>read  

>>: somewhere that either lavendar or rosemary placed in a doorway is  

>>: supposed to keep critters out.  I would like to ward them off, not 

>kill  

>>: them.   

 

 

My favorite book, "Back to Basics" suggests fresh peppermint. Just snip

sprigs and leave it around.  

 

Laure



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lycium

From: aloedaryl@aol.com (ALOEDARYL)

Date: 1 Sep 1996 01:06:24 -0400



Does anyone on this list have any information on the nutritional or health

benefits of Lycium (Solanaceae) also known as Chinese Wolfberry?  The

little references I've found are very vague.  Please help!



Reply to: aloedaryl@aol.com



Thank you



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lycium

From: Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@netusa1.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 15:31:15 -0700



ALOEDARYL wrote:

> 

> Does anyone on this list have any information on the nutritional or health

> benefits of Lycium (Solanaceae) also known as Chinese Wolfberry?  The

> little references I've found are very vague.  Please help!

> 

> Reply to: aloedaryl@aol.com

> 

> Thank youHere's what I have: Lycii (Lycium chinensis) A.K.A. Gou qi zi, Gay jee.  

BODILY INFLUENCE;Blood and Nutritive tonic, Hemostatic, Anti-pyretic.

PART USED;Fruit

The berry of this plant strengthens the blood, especially when there is 

anemia. It is effective in treating a variety of problems associated with 

the eyes. The berries are high in the ingredient beta-carotene. It is 

also helpful for sore backs. knees and legs. Of course this is just copy 

and I cannot say with any certainty that this is true or accurate. Sorry 

about that.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: extracting aloe vera gel

From: spynr@erols.com (Anita (Toth) Simpson)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 05:11:40 GMT



I don't know if this is the right group to post this so please don't

flame me.



Does anyone know how to extract the gel from aloe vera?  I am over run

with the stuff and I thought it would be fun to try.





Anita Simpson





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Awareness

From: gladius@portal.ca (Linda de Gonzalez)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 96 07:31:27 GMT



I've run across a "new" MLM product called Awareness: purports to 

cleanse your body of all parasites. It contains such things as rhubarb 

root, black seed, and other similar-acting herbals.



I'm considering trying it (NO, I do NOT want to become a distributor 

of ANYTHING, so please don't ask me), has anyone here tried it, what 

were the results, any personal anecdotes, anybody with experience with 

it...



Some of the stories I've heard (from distributors, natch) were 

hair-raising: many-legged creatures found in the stools, etc. It 

sounds pretty incredible to me, but hey, I keep an open mind.



Thanks for any information anyone has to offer.

 



Linda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: acorns as food

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 1 Sep 1996 07:00:02 -0700



>juan@trivium.gh.ub.es (jordi juan-tresserras) wrote:

>>I am working in a study about the acorn use as human food in the

>>Iberian Peninsula and the Maghreb area. If anyone know some

>>bibliographic references or some recipes (porridge, stews, cakes,

>>..), please let me know.

>>Thanks in advance for your collaboration,

>>Yours,



>>Jordi



Try  "Sturtevant's Edible Plants of the World" 

edited by U.P. Hedrick  (1919)

It's available as a reprint from Dover Publications and probably in a

well-stocked university library.



  It lists several species of European oaks that were used as food,

and cites the references he used.

  E-mail me if you can't find it locally.



  Another source of information is travel journals ... some of

Wellington's men were "reduced to eating acorns" when their food ran

out.  The diaries of the men might give the methods.

  There is confusion between the chestnut and the acorn in some areas

- the "edible thing from the trees" may be called "acorn" regardless

of the source.



  As far as recipes ... basically you get them out of the cap, shell

them, then soak or boil them in several changes of water, until the

tannin is extracted.  Then you can dry them for storage ... later

pounding them into flour or adding them to stews.

  If you don't dry them, you can dump them right into a stew.   Boil

the flour and you have a porridge ... this is peasant cooking and the

recipes aren't exact.



  

Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: acorns as food

From: Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@netusa1.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 15:04:54 -0700



John Obrien wrote:

> 

> jordi juan-tresserras (juan@trivium.gh.ub.es) wrote:

> : I am working in a study about the acorn use as human food in the

> : Iberian Peninsula and the Maghreb area. If anyone know some

> : bibliographic references or some recipes (porridge, stews, cakes,

> : ..), please let me know.

> 

> I think Euell Gibbons wrote some about acorns as food in one of his

> "STalking ...." books.  American Indians used it.  I've tried it and

> some taste fairly good, other varieties not so good.

> 

> --

>    ,o888b,`?~~~~~                                           ~~~~~P',d888o,

>  ,8888 888   ?~~~     John D. O'Brien  obriens@sound.net    ~~~P   888 8888,

>  8888888P'    ~~~                                           ~~~     ?8888888

>  888P'        ~~~     "When all the World recognizes        ~~~        `?888

>  `88   O     d~~~       good as good, This in itself        ~~~b     O   88'

>    `?._  _.o~~~~~       is Evil." Lao Tsu                   ~~~~~o._  _.P'

I have a book here by "Wildman" Steve Brill with Evelyn Dean called 

Identifying and Harvesting Edible and Medicinal Plants, also a book 

called "Trees of North America" and finally "Mystic Warrior of the Great 

Plains" all have references to the use of acorns as food with  the first 

reference being the best of the lot.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: acorns as food

From: MPACORD@gnn.com (MICHAEL ACORD)

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 12:58:45



I live in Southern California, where the Native Americans used acorns as a 

staple of their diet.  If I remember correctly, they first shelled the 

acorns, then ground them before placing them in a basket, and placing the 

basket in a running stream to leach the tannins out.  The flour was then made 

into cakes and cooked, or was dried for storage.  At least that's the story 

we learned at summer camps here.  However, there may be a reference to acorns 

in the series known as the "Foxfire Books," of which there must be some ten 

volumes.

Michael P. Acord

mpacord @gnn.com

macord@kpscal.org





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: acorns as food

From: mugwert@ime.net (Cat Tambling & Jim Buttitta)

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 12:23:01 GMT



On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 12:58:45, MPACORD@gnn.com (MICHAEL ACORD) wrote:



>I live in Southern California, where the Native Americans used acorns as a 

>staple of their diet.  If I remember correctly, they first shelled the 

>acorns, then ground them before placing them in a basket, and placing the 

>basket in a running stream to leach the tannins out.  The flour was then made 

>into cakes and cooked, or was dried for storage.  At least that's the story 

>we learned at summer camps here.  However, there may be a reference to acorns 

>in the series known as the "Foxfire Books," of which there must be some ten 

>volumes.

>Michael P. Acord

>mpacord @gnn.com

>macord@kpscal.org

>





If your going to try this be sure to use acorns from one of the white

oaks.  They have less tannin to wash out than do the red oaks.

-

mugwert



****************************************

*    Jim Buttitta  mugwert@ime.net     *

*  Dance with Pan  Drink with Bacchus  *

****************************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: acorns as food

From: Todd Bubar <tbubar@xyplex.com>

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:16:31 -0400



John Obrien wrote:

> 

> jordi juan-tresserras (juan@trivium.gh.ub.es) wrote:

> : I am working in a study about the acorn use as human food in the

> : Iberian Peninsula and the Maghreb area. If anyone know some

> : bibliographic references or some recipes (porridge, stews, cakes,

> : ..), please let me know.

> 

> I think Euell Gibbons wrote some about acorns as food in one of his

> "STalking ...." books.  American Indians used it.  I've tried it and

> some taste fairly good, other varieties not so good.

> 



There is also a book by Bradford Angier called "Field Guide to Edible

Wild Plants".  This is a follow up to his book "How to Survive in the

Woods" which also has some information on using acorns as food.  Hope

this helps.



-- 

"Eat one live toad the first thing in the morning and nothing worse 

will happen to you the rest of the day."



<disclaimer:  Please don't really eat toads!  It would be icky, not

           to mention, highly unpleasant for the toad!>



Todd Bubar             tbubar@xyplex.com            (508)952-4750



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: acorns as food

From: Dunbar-Frye <ladunbar@email.unc.edu>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:07:31 -0400



Acorns as food for humans has a long and wonderful history.   As a matter

of fact, I wrote my BS research paper on acorn uses in South Carolina, and

my Masters Thesis on the live oak. You might consider checking food and

plant uses by Native Americans, wild food recipes such as those printed by

Billie Joe Tatum, Native American cookbooks, etc.  Acorns were leached (to

rid them of the bitter tannin) then ground into a meal for breads,

pancakes, etc.   They were also used to thicken soup, eaten as nuts, like

our peanuts, and more.  If you've never tried them, you're in for a long

laborious method of removing the hull, boiling and changing the water to

leach out the tannin (several hours worth if you're using white oak

acorns, days or weeks if you attempt to use red oak acorns).  Be sure to

grind the acorns when wet and use the meal wet.  If you dry it first,

you'll break your blender blade.  Also, the wet meal makes a moister and

better tasting, nutty bread.  The dry meal is more gritty.



Good luck!  And don't forget to leave some for the squirrels and deer.



Lin



On 31 Aug 1996, John Obrien wrote:



> jordi juan-tresserras (juan@trivium.gh.ub.es) wrote:

> : I am working in a study about the acorn use as human food in the

> : Iberian Peninsula and the Maghreb area. If anyone know some

> : bibliographic references or some recipes (porridge, stews, cakes,

> : ..), please let me know.

> 

> I think Euell Gibbons wrote some about acorns as food in one of his 

> "STalking ...." books.  American Indians used it.  I've tried it and

> some taste fairly good, other varieties not so good.

> 

> --

>    ,o888b,`?~~~~~                                           ~~~~~P',d888o,

>  ,8888 888   ?~~~     John D. O'Brien  obriens@sound.net    ~~~P   888 8888,

>  8888888P'    ~~~                                           ~~~     ?8888888

>  888P'        ~~~     "When all the World recognizes        ~~~        `?888

>  `88   O     d~~~       good as good, This in itself        ~~~b     O   88'

>    `?._  _.o~~~~~       is Evil." Lao Tsu                   ~~~~~o._  _.P'

> 

> 





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What's a "Good" Diet?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 1 Sep 1996 07:05:01 -0700



ddoolan@capital.net (Denise Doolan) wrote:



>The other day I went to the book store and saw at least 20 books on

>diets- not necessarily for weight loss, just what you eat in general.

>There are all sorts of opinions on what a "good" diet is- but doesn't

>it seem that since we're all one species, there should be one basic

>diet with minor tweaks to account for personal differences? 



Denise - 

  The species is "omnivorous" ... it can survive nicely on a wide

range of foods.  As long as you get the minimal amount of essential

amino acids and vitamins your body can't make, you can live on the

local carbohydrates and oilseeds.

  For clues, look at the cuisines of the major civilizations: China is

a rice&veggie with a bit of protein and oil.  Mesoamerican  was

potatos or corn&veggies with a bit of protein and oil-seeds.

Different bases, but they developed a nutritionally effective diet.



  What you are seeing is marketing ... diet books sell, authors like

royalties, so writing a diet book is a great way to get royalties.

Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What's a "Good" Diet?

From: Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@netusa1.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 15:10:39 -0700



Denise Doolan wrote:

> 

> The other day I went to the book store and saw at least 20 books on

> diets- not necessarily for weight loss, just what you eat in general.

> 

> There are all sorts of opinions on what a "good" diet is- but doesn't

> it seem that since we're all one species, there should be one basic

> diet with minor tweaks to account for personal differences?

> 

> Any thoughts on the matter?

> 

> DeniseYou've pretty much figured it out already. Variety, without overindulging 

in any one food group does it. Many are now saying that you cannot get 

sufficient vitamins and minerals in the right ratios for optimum health 

benefits. Therefore, I eat whatever I want in moderation, excercise when 

I can, and take a good vitamin/mineral supplement. Unless you're already 

defecient to the point of being sick, this will do most all the human 

race.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What's a "Good" Diet?

From: Magpie

Date: 3 Sep 1996 20:37:28 GMT





>There are all sorts of opinions on what a "good" diet is- but doesn't

>it seem that since we're all one species, there should be one basic

>diet with minor tweaks to account for personal differences? 



Response: Try the U.S. Dept. of Health.  They have new guidesline

such as:

1. Eat 5-8 helpings a day of fruits and vegetables.

2. Eat only two helpings of meat a day...the helping of meat should be

    no bigger than a deck of cards or the palm of your hand...another

    words, forget the 12 oz. steak.

3. Fat intake should be 30% or less of your daily calorie intake.



	There is more to the list, but I didn't write it down.  Some-

times if you go to different government health organization, you can

get the information for free or for a nominal charge.  If you want to

become a vegetarian, take courses from a health clinic with a good

reputation or the Seventh Day Adventist.  A good diet is a balanced

diet.



Enjoy life, it's too short.

Magpie



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What's a "Good" Diet?

From: Ras Richard I <0246021@nt.com>

Date: 5 Sep 1996 18:24:16 GMT



Magpie wrote:

>

>>There are all sorts of opinions on what a "good" diet is- but doesn't

>>it seem that since we're all one species, there should be one basic

>>diet with minor tweaks to account for personal differences? 

>

>Response: Try the U.S. Dept. of Health.  They have new guidesline

>such as:

>1. Eat 5-8 helpings a day of fruits and vegetables.

>2. Eat only two helpings of meat a day...the helping of meat should be

>    no bigger than a deck of cards or the palm of your hand...another

>    words, forget the 12 oz. steak.

>3. Fat intake should be 30% or less of your daily calorie intake.

>

>	There is more to the list, but I didn't write it down.  Some-

>times if you go to different government health organization, you can

>get the information for free or for a nominal charge.  If you want to

>become a vegetarian, take courses from a health clinic with a good

>reputation or the Seventh Day Adventist.  A good diet is a balanced

>diet.

>

>Enjoy life, it's too short.

>Magpie

--------------------------- s n i p ---------------------

Why a seventh day adventist, why not rasta, I an I have an excellent diet, and 

minimal health problems.  I havent been sick in almost 5 years.  along with a 

good diet should be daily excersize unless you work a strenuous or physical 

job. Seen? 





Peace and love 



Ras Richard I







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What's a "Good" Diet?

From: joyce@mcs.com (Joyce)

Date: 7 Sep 1996 20:55:54 GMT



I decided vegetarian was best, no red meats w nitrates, etc.  It is not

for everyone, but gradual education to new food combinations is ESSENTIAL.

Beans and grain make a complete protein, aslo  peas and grain, dairy and grain,

(milk +cereals)(peanut butter +wholegrain bread)  

Fresh fruits juices veggies, SPROUTS, full of life.

I have for sure added HERBS.  Chinese Herbal regeneration and rebuilding

has kept me from being ill, given me lots of energy, and a calm, happy

demeanor.  I spend time on herbal folklore, garden herbs, herbal healing,

and I really believe there is an herb for every ailment.

joyce@cms.net

see HERB Homepage at http:www/mcs.net/~joyce





In article <323120BE.4CF6@interaccess.com>, HomemakerJ <homej@interaccess.com> says:

>

>Ras Richard I wrote:

>> 

>> Magpie wrote:(Snip!)

>> >Response: Try the U.S. Dept. of Health.  They have new guidesline

>> >such as:

>> >1. Eat 5-8 helpings a day of fruits and vegetables.

>> >2. Eat only two helpings of meat a day...the helping of meat should be

>> >    no bigger than a deck of cards or the palm of your hand...another

>> >    words, forget the 12 oz. steak.

>> >3. Fat intake should be 30% or less of your daily calorie intake.

>> >(Snip!)

>  If you want to

>> >become a vegetarian, take courses from a health clinic with a good

>> >reputation or the Seventh Day Adventist.  A good diet is a balanced

>> >diet.

>> >

>> >Enjoy life, it's too short.

>> >Magpie

>

>> --------------------------- s n i p ---------------------

>> Why a seventh day adventist, why not rasta, I an I have an excellent diet, and

>> minimal health problems.  I havent been sick in almost 5 years.  along with a

>> good diet should be daily excersize unless you work a strenuous or physical

>> job. Seen?

>> 

>> Peace and love

>> 

>> Ras Richard I

>

>So what's a typical Rasta diet like, say in a week's worth of eating?

>

>Cool Runnings,

>HomemakerJ

>

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What's a "Good" Diet?

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 96 23:22:43 GMT



In article <509quc$bjj@Usenet.Logical.NET>,

   ddoolan@capital.net (Denise Doolan) wrote:

>The other day I went to the book store and saw at least 20 books on

>diets- not necessarily for weight loss, just what you eat in general.

>

>There are all sorts of opinions on what a "good" diet is- but doesn't

>it seem that since we're all one species, there should be one basic

>diet with minor tweaks to account for personal differences? 

>

>Any thoughts on the matter?

>

>Denise

>

IMHO, moderation in all things is the way to go.Also foods processed as little 

as possible,as close to their natural state as possible.For those of you who 

have intestinal disturbance with raw fruits and veggies,try washing them first 

with vineger and water, or peeling them if you must.Sometimes it's the wax on 

the fruits and vegs that cause the problems.Also we (especially 

Americans)ingest far too much protein-that is hard on the kidneys.Make meat a 

side portion,not the entree.

good health-Barbara  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Zapper Tips

From: pandoc@ix.netcom.com(charles mccarthy)

Date: 1 Sep 1996 15:12:08 GMT



In <507p3h$kon@camel0.mindspring.com> turf@mindspring.com (turf)

writes: 

[edit]

>It does not work 

>inside the body's cells, since it does not harm them. Any 

>viruses or fungi which are inside will not be killed

[edit]

>The body's cells are 

>not harmed by the zapper, so any viruses, fungi, and such 

>which are inside the cells will be gotten eventually.  



Millions of macrophages are productively infected in patients

with HIV infection.



You state that viruses inside cells are not killed.  Then you 

state viruses inside cells will be gotten eventually.  Maybe you

should explain in idiot proof biochemical and physiological 

terminology exactly how you are accomplishing this.



I'm afraid viral production will continue for many decades

after you have tired of daily zapping.



Where may we find your clinical data showing decreased viral loads

in the serum after a prescribed treatment of zapping over any

given period of time?











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: 4x Black Walnut Tincture (plus) recipe

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 16:43:15 GMT





4x Black Walnut Tincture (Plus)



This is how I recently made a batch of black walnut hull

tincture (plus).  "Plus" means I added extra ingredients.



Only green black walnut hulls should be used.  Do not use 

ones that have turned black.  The hulls are not removed, 

the whole thing is used.  If the green hull is split open, 

the inside oxidizes rapidly and starts to turn black 

within minutes.  



This is the time of year to harvest the green ones.  I 

found a couple of trees on old farmland.  I climbed the 

trees and picked some walnuts (with permission).  I did 

not use any on the ground.  There were very few on the 

ground anyway, and they were mostly black, plus I did not 

want the tincture contaminated with soil. I picked many 

gallons of them and froze what I did not use immediately.



I washed the ones I was about to use in plain water, then 

scored the hulls lightly to increase potency.  It tastes 

like it is much stronger then regular 4x tincture.  I 

don't know if this is because I scored the hulls or 

because I made such a large batch, increasing the unit 

volume per liquid.



I filled a 5 gallon ceramic coated pot, that I use for 

beermaking, with the walnuts.  Then I covered the walnuts 

with a half and half mix of Golden Grain and distilled 

water.  It was quite an expense, since Golden Grain costs 

$26 per 1.75 liter, but it made over a gallon, practically 

a lifetime supply for my family.  Then I covered the pot 

with plastic wrap to prevent evaporation and oxidation.



Only a glass or ceramic coated pot should be used to make 

the tincture.



I stirred it daily for three days with a large plastic 

spoon.  On the fourth day, I removed half the walnuts and 

added 6 ounces of cloves and a bag of "Cassie's 

Herbal Tea", an "essiac" blend (both finely ground in a 

coffee grinder).  Then I stirred it for a long time and let 

it sit another 24 hours. On the fifth day, I strained the 

tincture with a very fine mesh, bottled it in long neck 

(reusable) beer bottles, and capped it.  I bought some 

corks to use to reclose the bottles once they are opened.



If one does not own reusable beer bottles or a capper, or 

a sterilizer for them, I would recommend using canning 

jars with a porcelain covered lid.  Amber bottles are also 

available that come in two, four, and eight ounce sizes 

and these are even better, but more expensive.



I figured the addition of the essiac and cloves would 

improve the qualities of the tincture.  The cloves kill 

parasite eggs (according to Hulda Clark), and the essiac 

provides antiparasitic action too, but is mainly included 

for its properties of blood cleansing, which is useful 

when deparasitizing.  I considered adding wormwood, but 

the taste would have been so bitter it could not have been 

taken in tincture form.  But, I figure that this is a good 

product to use exclusively for deparasitizing with the 

addition of the essiac and cloves.



I encourage everyone to brew a batch for themselves, 

family, and friends.  Get off your butt, climb a tree, and 

make some of this stuff.



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: avoiding nightmares

From: Sarah Cox <scox@airmail.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 11:49:49 -0500



hello all



The recent thread on herbs to intensify dreaming made me wonder, are 

there herbs I can give my girlfriend to help reduce nightmares? She has 

em all the time, very scary and intense dreams. Probably these 

nightmares are due to stress. 



Any suggestions?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: avoiding nightmares

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:09:49 +0100



In article <3229BEAD.C79@airmail.net>, Sarah Cox <scox@airmail.net>

writes

>hello all

>

>The recent thread on herbs to intensify dreaming made me wonder, are 

>there herbs I can give my girlfriend to help reduce nightmares? She has 

>em all the time, very scary and intense dreams. Probably these 

>nightmares are due to stress. 

>

>Any suggestions?



if it is Stress, then put 1tsp lemon balm, 1/2 tsp scullcap. 1tsp

Valerian root. into just off the boil water 1 full cup. soak for 40 min

then using a sieve, remove the liquid, sweeten with honey is desired

The mixture tastes preety horrid, and smells worse, so can add 1/2 tsp

of the herb mint, spearmint or peppermint, take your choice, one only.

take about 2/3 hours before going to sleep, use for 1 week, then only

when needed, Valerian root particulary should not be taken daily on a

long term basis.this receipe is for dried herbs only , if fresh double

the amount.

You could try a herbal pillow fine muslin, filled with hops ,lavender,

and lemon balm, is very calming and helps restless sleepers.

best of luck, if the nightmares continue, go to a Doctor. your

girlfriend may be suffering a mild deppression.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Good (or Bad) Brands of Standardized Extracts

From: richard.elee@internetworkMCI.com (Richard in Durham, NC)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 16:59:03 GMT



I know many folks think that Nature's Herbs is a reliable brand.

Anyone care to suggest other honest vendors or warn of brands that

aren't trustworthy?



Richard Evans Lee * Books Do Furnish A Room

1809 West Markham Avenue, Durham, NC 27705-4806

(919) 286-1076 * Psychotronic BBS (919) 286-7738





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Good (or Bad) Brands of Standardized Extracts

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 18:55:54 GMT



richard.elee@internetworkMCI.com (Richard in Durham, NC) wrote:



>I know many folks think that Nature's Herbs is a reliable brand.

>Anyone care to suggest other honest vendors or warn of brands that

>aren't trustworthy?



I think they are very good.  I have not been displeased with any of

their products, but have never tried any of their standardized

extracts. 



I have experience with and trust the following brands: Nature's Herbs,

Nature's Way, and Now.  I have used a few others, and have not been

dissatisfied with any save a couple, that are not national brands as

far as I know.



There is only ONE national herb company with which I am displeased.  I

have bought three things from them, and all were of poor quality.  Two

were dry herb capsules that had no aroma and very little taste, and

should have.  I also once bought some peppermint oil from them.  I did

not even realize it was made by them until I got home, tried it, and

gagged.  Only then did I look closely at the package and see that it

was made by that company (small type on the bottom of the box.)  At

first I thought the oil contained lots of benzene which gave it the

off taste, but I later figured out that it was "merely" the taste of

rotted peppermint.  After I took it back, I found another bottle of

peppermint oil by Now that was very high quality.  It was five times

the amount for half the price, which is typical, because even though

the quality is quite low of this brand in my experience, the price is

almost always higher than other brands for any supplement they sell.

Of course, the other products that are made by this company might be

high in quality since my opinion is only based on three of their

products.  But, I will never find out because I will never purchase

their products again.  The only good thing I will say about this brand

is that I like the wide mouth, screw-off, brown translucent plastic

bottle packaging.



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: please help! red eyes.....

From: APHEXxepha <76003.2300@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 1 Sep 1996 18:58:56 GMT



i hope someone can help me.  my eyes have been red and irritated 

for over a month and a half.  allergy pill don't work.  eye drops 

don't work.  i have tried them all.  would be greatful for any 

info.  :o)

anthony



-- 

							

								



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: please help! red eyes.....

From: halma1@lex.infi.net (Gary Graham)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 21:36:13 -0500



In article <50cmdg$257$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, APHEXxepha

<76003.2300@CompuServe.COM> wrote:



> i hope someone can help me.  my eyes have been red and irritated 

> for over a month and a half.  allergy pill don't work.  eye drops 

> don't work.  i have tried them all.  would be greatful for any 

> info.  :o)

> anthony





People have had success using an herb called Eyebright!



-- 

The finest in Native American artwork, craft, craft supplies, herbs and more!  http://members.aol.com/danceotter/do.html



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: please help! red eyes.....

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:10:53 +0100



In article <halma1-0109962136130001@pa3dsp23.lex.infi.net>, Gary Graham

<halma1@lex.infi.net> writes

>In article <50cmdg$257$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, APHEXxepha

><76003.2300@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>

>> i hope someone can help me.  my eyes have been red and irritated 

>> for over a month and a half.  allergy pill don't work.  eye drops 

>> don't work.  i have tried them all.  would be greatful for any 

>> info.  :o)

>> anthony

>

>

>People have had success using an herb called Eyebright!

>

 is it your eyeballs that are irritated or the skin around your eyes,

these are two very diffrent problems, Eyebright is excellent for the eye

ball, but if it is the skin, then you probably have a virol infection,

or are alergic to something, possibly the soap you are using, or make up

if you were it. make a witch hazel solution using 1tsp witch hazel to i

cup water, dab it on the eye lids and around the eyes very gently,if it

stings badly, add more water. witch hazel is an astringent, but it also

has antiseptic qualitys. if this douse not work ,go see your Doctor,

eyes are two important to ignore.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for spasticity

From: bruce@oui.com (Bruce Roger)

Date: 01 Sep 1996 19:17:47 GMT



(Jeff White) white@nando.net on 26 Aug 1996 21:50:17 GMT wrote:

I am dealing with multiple sclerosis and use only two drugs to help with the

symptoms. These are Zantac for the stomach acid and Baclofin for the muscle

spasticity. Could anyone tell me some herbs to try to replace these drugs?



Jeff, 

I know it's not as easy as popping a pill, but have you considered the

stretching of yoga poses to relieve or ease muscle spasms? Email me if

interested.



bruce@oui.com







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gemmotherapy information

From: AGFDoc <agfdoc@tntech.campus.mci.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 11:20:37 -0800



Help. I am searching for a commercial sources of Gemmotherapies - plant

macerates of new shoots, new bark, new roots in glycerin base. This

largely a European use of plants and therapy.  If you know of a source

or know of someone who might know - regardless of distance in time or

location - I would be most grateful.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St Johns Wort & Diet

From: "W. O'Connor" <woconnor@wwdc.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 12:56:11 -0700



Hello, all:



I have read with interest all that has been posted on St. John's Wort, 

and its effects and side-effects.  I am interested in it, as I understand 

it works (for depression) as an MAO inhibitor.  I am wondering...does it 

carry the same dietary restrictions as other MAOIs?



With most pharmacological MAO inhibitors, one must be careful not to 

consume foods containing the amino acid tyrosine (chianti wine, aged 

cheddar, fava beans, and a few others).  MAOs normally metabolize 

tyrosine, but if they are inhibited, the excess tyrosine can cause a 

dangerous hypertensive episode.  (BTW, don't take my word as gospel, but 

this is what I have gathered). Some newer MAOIs are more specific and 

don't carry dietary restrictions.



So...what about the Wort?  If one takes it should one give up wine & 

cheese?  (Oh, no).  I would appreciate any feedback on this, or personal 

stories concerning the Wort's effectiveness.



-- W. O'Connor



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St Johns Wort & Diet

From: rshipp@flash.net (Randy Shipp)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:22:35 GMT



"W. O'Connor" <woconnor@wwdc.com> wrote:



>Hello, all:



>I have read with interest all that has been posted on St. John's Wort, 

>and its effects and side-effects.  I am interested in it, as I understand 

>it works (for depression) as an MAO inhibitor.  I am wondering...does it 

>carry the same dietary restrictions as other MAOIs?



I printed an article from http://www.all-natural.com/hyp-1.html that

lists foods to avoid containing bacteria with enzymes that can convert

tyrosine to tyramine.  This list includes alcoholic beverages,

cheeses, yeast breads, canned meats, etc.  



>With most pharmacological MAO inhibitors, one must be careful not to 

>consume foods containing the amino acid tyrosine (chianti wine, aged 

>cheddar, fava beans, and a few others).  MAOs normally metabolize 

>tyrosine, but if they are inhibited, the excess tyrosine can cause a 

>dangerous hypertensive episode.  (BTW, don't take my word as gospel, but 

>this is what I have gathered). Some newer MAOIs are more specific and 

>don't carry dietary restrictions.



Does this mean you can never have these foods, or just in conjunction

with taking the pill?  



Carole

craymond@flash.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St Johns Wort & Diet

From: raerts@mail.idt.net

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:56:47 GMT



rshipp@flash.net (Randy Shipp) wrote:



>"W. O'Connor" <woconnor@wwdc.com> wrote:



>>Hello, all:



>>I have read with interest all that has been posted on St. John's Wort, 

>>and its effects and side-effects.  I am interested in it, as I understand 

>>it works (for depression) as an MAO inhibitor.  I am wondering...does it 

>>carry the same dietary restrictions as other MAOIs?



>I printed an article from http://www.all-natural.com/hyp-1.html that

>lists foods to avoid containing bacteria with enzymes that can convert

>tyrosine to tyramine.  This list includes alcoholic beverages,

>cheeses, yeast breads, canned meats, etc.  



>>With most pharmacological MAO inhibitors, one must be careful not to 

>>consume foods containing the amino acid tyrosine (chianti wine, aged 

>>cheddar, fava beans, and a few others).  MAOs normally metabolize 

>>tyrosine, but if they are inhibited, the excess tyrosine can cause a 

>>dangerous hypertensive episode.  (BTW, don't take my word as gospel, but 

>>this is what I have gathered). Some newer MAOIs are more specific and 

>>don't carry dietary restrictions.



>Does this mean you can never have these foods, or just in conjunction

>with taking the pill?  



>Carole

>craymond@flash.net



I don't know much about St. Johns  Wort, but I see on this ng that it

is being recommended as a substitute for Prozac.  If SJW does indeed

act like an MAOI, it is important to note that MAOI should not be

administered in conjunction with any of the other major types of

antidepressants (SSRIs or trycyclics).  When switching from another

antidepressant to an MAOI, there should be a sufficient period in

between for the previous drug to be eliminated from the system before

the MAOI should be started.  I believe that this is because of a

dangerous drug interaction, perhaps the same which causes the dietary

restrictions, and not a therapeutic "weaning" period.



So, if you're taking an antidepressant and thinking of trying to St.

Johns Wort, ask your doctor.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: nutritional therapy for endometriosis

From: Cygnus X-1 <johnnie@gwis.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 13:30:22 -0700



going gluten-free?  It's worth a try.  See I went threw the diagnosis 

was clymidia (sp?) then the lapascope and found out I had endometriosis. 

but I was told the same about sexual experience plus i was told it was 

all in my head.  Yes PMS and endometriosis is all in my head.  I hurt so 

bad I can't sleep and sometimes to walk all day would put me in the bed 

for the next day, I like what you said here : 

 

 >snip<  I also believe that if male doctors

> experienced painful menstruation every 28 days or so, much more research

> would be done on that issue. 



After growing up with paasing out from my endometriosis taking $300 month 

medicine (goodthing I have insurance for prescribions) throwing up from 

headaches that would quit I wish some of the docotor would have this 

problem.  Hey I also had a woman doctor tell me it can't be that bad!

I'm going to look into this thanks Don!

Starlite



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: nutritional therapy for endometriosis

From: tomcat@netcom.com (Tom Jobes)

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:09:16 GMT



I don't read this group regularly, and I just caught the tail end of this

thread.  Can someone repost the actual therapy referred to in the title?



Thanks in advance!



--

tomcat ____   The road goes ever on and on/Down from the door where it began

       \ _/__ Now far ahead the road has gone/And I must follow if I can

        \\  / Pursuing it with weary feet/Until it joins some larger way

          \/  Where many paths and errands meet/And whither then? I cannot say

                   -- JRR Tolkien



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.com

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wart

From: rshipp@flash.net (Carole Raymond)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 20:31:23 GMT



"Phyllis Schuster" <phyls@faribault.polaristel.net> wrote:



> (the major side effect is gastric irritation in 0.55%

>of patients



I'm so happy to see this reference.  I've been taking SJW only 4 days

and have experienced major gastric problems.  Has anyone else had this

experience?  Is it something that will go away after I've taken it

awhile?



On the other hand, I have noticed a big difference in the way I feel.

I was feeling very tired, no energy, very lethargic.  In the few days

I've taken SJW, I've noticed a big improvement.



Carole

craymond@flash.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.com

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wart

From: vhlushak@awinc.com (Vic Hlushak)

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 02:12:48 GMT



rshipp@flash.net (Carole Raymond) wrote:



>"Phyllis Schuster" <phyls@faribault.polaristel.net> wrote:

>

>> (the major side effect is gastric irritation in 0.55%

>>of patients

>

>I'm so happy to see this reference.  I've been taking SJW only 4 days

>and have experienced major gastric problems.  Has anyone else had this

>experience?  Is it something that will go away after I've taken it

>awhile?

>

one half of one percent is a very small portion. Mostpeople dont have

any trouble with SJW at all. Im glad that you have some good results

but it normally takes up to one month the start acting. What are you

using? If its the oil try the tincture, 10 drops 3 times a day.  I use

it every day as an adjunct to Prozac and have done so for quite q

while now. I have had _no_ side effects at all - sun or otherwise.



vic

vhlushak@awinc.com

Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada

PHP: http://www2.awinc.com/users/vhlushak/index.html



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wart

From: gdes5@aol.com (GDeS5)

Date: 10 Sep 1996 06:30:23 -0400



I've been reading a lot about SJW helping people for depression.  However

I'm curious to know how much and in what form do you take it? Tea? Caps?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wart

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 10 Sep 1996 23:55:24 -0400



In article <513fvv$fhr@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, gdes5@aol.com (GDeS5)

writes:



>I've been reading a lot about SJW helping people for depression.  However

>I'm curious to know how much and in what form do you take it? Tea? Caps?



Standard dosage used in medical studies has been 300mg, 3 times/day of a

powdered encapsulated extract standardized to 0.3% hypericin content. 

Enzymatic Therapy makes just such a product and it's the one I use.  Check

your local health food/nutrition store.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alt.folklore.herbs - medicinal herb FAQ (

From: wtdfun@aol.com (WTDFUN)

Date: 1 Sep 1996 17:03:57 -0400



I've heard a lot about strong healing power of JAGE (Japanese Aged Garlic

Extract) that suppose to be much more effective than any other forms of

garlic.



Could you by any chance help me find it?  I inquired in quite a few health

stores but they were not able to get it.



I'll greatly appreciate any information.

Thanks in advance.



Please respond here or e-mail to WTDFUN@aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help with menstrual cycles

From: gianine@nando.net (Gianine)

Date: 1 Sep 1996 21:56:56 GMT



I am 35 years old and have had terrible difficulty with my menses in the 

past two years. I'll have my period - after spotting dark brown for 4-5 

days. My periods are very heavy. 14 days after I start, I will usually 

ovulate and one to two days later my breasts swell up and are painful for 

the rest of my cycle. My period will be 5-7 days late so I end up having 

these painful breasts for 2 1/2 to 3 weeks. The breast swelling is a new 

thing - it's only been happening for the last 2-3 months. My question is 

what should I be taking and how much? I've tried vitex with no result, 

but I'm wondering if I was taking enough.

thanks



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: preparing valerian

From: odyssey@planet.eon.net (Larry Schowalter)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 17:21:58 -0600



We have grown 2 valerian plants that are now about 2 feet tall.  We would

like to utilize them as a sleep inducer, but do not know how to prepare

the plant for use.  Also, does the plant have to be destroyed.  I

understand that it is a perennial.



Thanks

Larry



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preparing valerian

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:10:11 +0100



In article <odyssey-0109961721580001@ts5_port9.planet.eon.net>, Larry

Schowalter <odyssey@planet.eon.net> writes

>We have grown 2 valerian plants that are now about 2 feet tall.  We would

>like to utilize them as a sleep inducer, but do not know how to prepare

>the plant for use.  Also, does the plant have to be destroyed.  I

>understand that it is a perennial.

>

>Thanks

>Larry



most people use valerian root, in herbal tea, which as you can imagine

douse destroy what is a perennial, try to take the root when the plant

is still growing and has not flowered, there are rizones on the root,

knobbly bits, that are used for the finest tea. never take valerian on a

long term basis it can become addictive, it is not a sleep inducer as

such, it actually relaxes muscles and nerves, to the extent that you

become relaxed enough to sleep. Please before you go out with a spade.

go to your local library or buy a book on herbs that will give more

specific info than can be given on this posting, Valerian is a very

usefull herb, if used properly. you need to know its toxicity, and side

effects  as well as its more welcome uses

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preparing valerian

From: we4@widomaker.com

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 17:18:35 GMT



odyssey@planet.eon.net (Larry Schowalter) wrote:



>We have grown 2 valerian plants that are now about 2 feet tall.  We would

>like to utilize them as a sleep inducer, but do not know how to prepare

>the plant for use.  Also, does the plant have to be destroyed.  I

>understand that it is a perennial.



>Thanks

>Larry



The leaves can be eaten either raw in a salad or lightly steamed, they

have a very mild sedative effect. (Your cat will love you if you give

it to him ;-))

Most valerian preparations, however, are made from the root.  It's not

necessary to kill the whole plant, just take part of the root. Prepare

by washing off the root, and then steeping 1 tsp per cup for 5 min.

Do not over use.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preparing valerian

From: ravendncr@aol.com (RAVENDNCR)

Date: 5 Sep 1996 08:50:21 -0400



<<Most valerian preparations, however, are made from the root.  It's not

necessary to kill the whole plant, just take part of the root.>>



I have been told not harvest first year plants---true or not, and if I do

harvest what will be the future consequences?  Thanks.

CRD





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: fabric dyes from plants

From: nstewart@ccia.st-thomas.on.ca (Noah Stewart)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 18:59:57 -0500



looking for information on making fabric dyes from plant sources (for

airbrushing on natural fibres). Please respond by email.



-- 

Rev. Noah J. Stewart

Church of the Befuddled Biped

nstewart@ccia.st-thomas.on.ca

http://www.ccia.st-thomas.on.ca/~nstewart/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Noah Stewart <nstewart@ccia.st-thomas.on.ca>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: fabric dyes from plants

From: Amy Leigh Bradley <myrrhis@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 20:02:08 -0700



Noah Stewart wrote:

> 

> looking for information on making fabric dyes from plant sources (for

> airbrushing on natural fibres). Please respond by email.

> 

> --

> Rev. Noah J. Stewart

> Church of the Befuddled Biped

> nstewart@ccia.st-thomas.on.ca

> http://www.ccia.st-thomas.on.ca/~nstewart/





Noah - 

    The SCA publishes a series of books called "Compleat Anachronist 

(sic)" . Their issue #41 entitled "Dyestuffs" is an excellent source for 

natural dye recipies  (164). You can mail them at:



 SCA Inc.

PO Box 360743

Milpitas, CA 95035-0743



    One problem I've had in using these recipies is finding the plants 

in sufficient quantities, esp. if only a small part of the plant is used!





                                            Best of Luck!



                                        Myrrhis



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Noah Stewart <nstewart@ccia.st-thomas.on.ca>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: fabric dyes from plants

From: Jerry Haugen <mycowrld@cdsnet.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 23:02:30 -0700



Noah Stewart wrote:

> 

> looking for information on making fabric dyes from plant sources (for

> airbrushing on natural fibres). Please respond by email.

> 

> --

> Rev. Noah J. Stewart





Noah,

While mushrooms aren't exactly plants, many of them make fine dyes.  

Recommended reading:

"Mushrooms For Color" by Miriam C. Rice 

Publisher:

Mad River Press

Rt 2 Box 151-B

Eureka, CA  95501

USA

You might also try:

http://www.amazon.com

They can get it for you for $15(US) plus shipping  



-Jerry-

-- 

Jerry Haugen

The Mushroom Growers' Newsletter

P.O. Box 5065

Klamath Falls, OR 97601

USA

MycoWrld@cdsnet.net

http://www.cdsnet.net/Business/mushroom/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cats claw and yucca

From: javany@ix.netcom.com(Peter J. Vanatko)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 00:26:48 GMT



My wife is using cats claw to combat her problem with sinuses. Now she

wants to try yucca against pain. With all the negative publicity about

mixing herbs, she is concerned if the combination of these 2 could

cause harm. Anybody would know something about this? Thank you.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibrocystic Breast Disorder

From: rshipp@flash.net (Carole Raymond)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 00:49:31 GMT



norajones@gnn.com (Nora Jones) wrote:



>Hi, any ideas for herbal supplements or diet plans to help relieve 

>fibrous tissue in breasts? n





I don't know of any supplements, but I have found that staying away

from refined sugar completely and all caffeine makes a huge difference

for me.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fibrocystic Breast Disorder

From: grabec@aol.com (GraBec)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 01:10:47 -0400



Besides the Vitamin E I take Evening Primrose Oil.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for depression?

From: ewait@pclink.com (Elizabeth Wait)

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 19:02:50 -0600



In article <4vf7e3$iii@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn23664@afn.org (Ray A. Orosz)

wrote:



> Hi,

> I know this must have been asked before, but what is the latest and

> greatest info on herbs used to treat depression, and I don't mean just the

> "blues". I tried looking in the FAQ, but couldn't find it.

> ANY tips will be MOST appreciated

> 



I saw a little blurp in Time magazine that St. John's Wort is helpful for

depression. I'm on Prozac for the winter & am going to try it.



Elizabeth



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for depression?

From: raerts@mail.idt.net

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 23:01:46 GMT



ewait@pclink.com (Elizabeth Wait) wrote:



>In article <4vf7e3$iii@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn23664@afn.org (Ray A. Orosz)

>wrote:



>> Hi,

>> I know this must have been asked before, but what is the latest and

>> greatest info on herbs used to treat depression, and I don't mean just the

>> "blues". I tried looking in the FAQ, but couldn't find it.

>> ANY tips will be MOST appreciated

>> 



>I saw a little blurp in Time magazine that St. John's Wort is helpful for

>depression. I'm on Prozac for the winter & am going to try it.



>Elizabeth

rshipp@flash.net (Randy Shipp) wrote:



>"W. O'Connor" <woconnor@wwdc.com> wrote:



>>Hello, all:



>>I have read with interest all that has been posted on St. John's Wort, 

>>and its effects and side-effects.  I am interested in it, as I understand 

>>it works (for depression) as an MAO inhibitor.  I am wondering...does it 

>>carry the same dietary restrictions as other MAOIs?



>I printed an article from http://www.all-natural.com/hyp-1.html that

>lists foods to avoid containing bacteria with enzymes that can convert

>tyrosine to tyramine.  This list includes alcoholic beverages,

>cheeses, yeast breads, canned meats, etc.  



>>With most pharmacological MAO inhibitors, one must be careful not to 

>>consume foods containing the amino acid tyrosine (chianti wine, aged 

>>cheddar, fava beans, and a few others).  MAOs normally metabolize 

>>tyrosine, but if they are inhibited, the excess tyrosine can cause a 

>>dangerous hypertensive episode.  (BTW, don't take my word as gospel, but 

>>this is what I have gathered). Some newer MAOIs are more specific and 

>>don't carry dietary restrictions.



>Does this mean you can never have these foods, or just in conjunction

>with taking the pill?  



>Carole

>craymond@flash.net



I don't know much about St. Johns  Wort, but I see on this ng that it

is being recommended as a substitute for Prozac.  If SJW does indeed

act like an MAOI, it is important to note that MAOI should not be

administered in conjunction with any of the other major types of

antidepressants (SSRIs  **PROZAC**  or trycyclics).  When switching

from another antidepressant to an MAOI, there should be a sufficient

period in between for the previous drug to be eliminated from the

system before the MAOI should be started.  I believe that this is

because of a dangerous drug interaction, perhaps the same which causes

the dietary restrictions, and not a therapeutic "weaning" period.



So, if you're taking an antidepressant and thinking of trying to St.

Johns Wort, ask your doctor.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for depression?

From: Linda_R._Ehrisman@snac.mv.com (Linda R. Ehrisman)

Date: 09 Sep 1996 13:36:53 GMT



On 9/6/96 at 6:01 PM, raerts@mail.idt.net wrote:



> I don't know much about St. Johns  Wort, but I see on this ng that it

> is being recommended as a substitute for Prozac.  If SJW does indeed

> act like an MAOI, it is important to note that MAOI should not be

> administered in conjunction with any of the other major types of

> antidepressants (SSRIs  **PROZAC**  or trycyclics).  When switching

> from another antidepressant to an MAOI, there should be a sufficient

> period in between for the previous drug to be eliminated from the

> system before the MAOI should be started.  I believe that this is

> because of a dangerous drug interaction, perhaps the same which causes

> the dietary restrictions, and not a therapeutic "weaning" period.

> 

> So, if you're taking an antidepressant and thinking of trying to St.

> Johns Wort, ask your doctor.



        Isn't it with MAO  Inhibitors that they give you strict guidelines to

follow, such as cheese products, wine, and smoked meats?   I would like to

know for sure if SJW is really in this class because that will count me out. 

I love my cheese and smoked chicken too much.  Beans too?  

        Right now they have me taking Zoloft 250mg. and Lithium to *boost*

the effects of the Zoloft.  I am not manic, just horribly  depressed and out

of money.    

                                                                Linda



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for depression?

From: "J. Judd Harbin, M.S." <jharbin@ocean.st.usm.edu>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:45:59 -0700



Linda R. Ehrisman wrote:

> 

>         Isn't it with MAO  Inhibitors that they give you strict guidelines to

> follow, such as cheese products, wine, and smoked meats?   I would like to

> know for sure if SJW is really in this class because that will count me out.

> I love my cheese and smoked chicken too much.  Beans too?



That's right, Linda. Eating those foods while taking an MAOI can cause death,

so it's not a good idea. As for whether St. John's Wort inhibits 

monoamine oxidase, I don't know. Chances are that a traditional physician

probably won't know either. A pharmacist might could tell you, though. Other

types of health care practitioners (e.g., herbalists) might also be helpful.



I don't remember beans being in the "forbidden foods" group for MAOIs. If

you are interested in dietary helps to supplement (and eventually replace)

pharmacotherapy, I have heard that eating fresh fruits and vegetables 

(especially raw) and lots of pasta provides some relief from depression.

I'm not sure how the fresh (preferably raw) fruits and veggies help. Pasta,

on the other hand, tends to be rich in the amino acid trytophan, which is

a precursor to serotonin. Increasing your dietary intake of trytophan might

help increase levels of serotonin in your brain. 



Keep taking the meds until the depression has lifted. If the serotonin in

your brain has gotten so low to induce depression (or in reaction to depressing

life events), the meds can be particularly helpful in restoring your brain

chemicals to normal. Then, the dietary changes will be more effective and can

help prevent depletion of serotonin in the future. 



Peace!

Judd

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: jharbin@ocean.st.usm.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for depression?

From: Bob Gale <rhgale@courant.infi.net>

Date: 18 Sep 1996 13:45:23 GMT



"J. Judd Harbin, M.S." <jharbin@ocean.st.usm.edu> wrote:

>Linda R. Ehrisman wrote:

>> 

>>         Isn't it with MAO  Inhibitors that they give you strict guidelines to

>> follow, such as cheese products, wine, and smoked meats?   I would like to

>> know for sure if SJW is really in this class because that will count me out.

>> I love my cheese and smoked chicken too much.  Beans too?

>

>That's right, Linda. Eating those foods while taking an MAOI can cause death,

>so it's not a good idea. As for whether St. John's Wort inhibits 

>monoamine oxidase, I don't know. Chances are that a traditional physician

>probably won't know either. A pharmacist might could tell you, though. Other

>types of health care practitioners (e.g., herbalists) might also be helpful.

>

>I don't remember beans being in the "forbidden foods" group for MAOIs. If

>you are interested in dietary helps to supplement (and eventually replace)

>pharmacotherapy, I have heard that eating fresh fruits and vegetables 

>(especially raw) and lots of pasta provides some relief from depression.

>I'm not sure how the fresh (preferably raw) fruits and veggies help. Pasta,

>on the other hand, tends to be rich in the amino acid trytophan, which is

>a precursor to serotonin. Increasing your dietary intake of trytophan might

>help increase levels of serotonin in your brain. 

>

>Keep taking the meds until the depression has lifted. If the serotonin in

>your brain has gotten so low to induce depression (or in reaction to depressing

>life events), the meds can be particularly helpful in restoring your brain

>chemicals to normal. Then, the dietary changes will be more effective and can

>help prevent depletion of serotonin in the future. 

>





hte active ingredient in SJW is hypericin, an MAO... beware the 

combination with zoloft...

Bob





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: asthma?

From: Linda Nourse <beardo19@eos.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 18:29:19 -0700



My son has trouble breathing when running- any suggestions. I think it 

might be sports induced asthma.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Laxitives

From: lolack@aol.com (LolaCK)

Date: 1 Sep 1996 22:20:44 -0400



The best and least expensive herbal laxatives are cascara sagrada,

available in all healthfood stores and the regular drug store.  Cascara

sagrada has been an old standby since my Grandmother was young, and

probably long before her...it is a basic ingredient in many other

laxatives.  But nobody needs anything fancier (or more costly) than a $5

jar of basic cascara sagrada.  



Lola



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Laxitives

From: tgreyzck@ix.netcom.com (G-Man)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 04:11:54 GMT



lolack@aol.com (LolaCK) wrote:



>The best and least expensive herbal laxatives are cascara sagrada,

>available in all healthfood stores and the regular drug store.  Cascara

>sagrada has been an old standby since my Grandmother was young, and

>probably long before her...it is a basic ingredient in many other

>laxatives.  But nobody needs anything fancier (or more costly) than a $5

>jar of basic cascara sagrada.  

>

>Lola



I very seldom need laxatives, but in the mid-80's I wound up in the

emergency room, and when I was eventually discharged the doctor

"prescribed" a combination of 2 tbsp. Milk of Magnesia and 1 tsp.

Cascara Sagrada extract.  This combination worked great for me...





tgreyzck@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Laxitives

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 17:57:38 GMT



On 1 Sep 1996 22:20:44 -0400, in alt.folklore.herbs lolack@aol.com (LolaCK)

wrote:



>The best and least expensive herbal laxatives are cascara sagrada,

>available in all healthfood stores and the regular drug store.  Cascara

>sagrada has been an old standby since my Grandmother was young, and

>probably long before her...it is a basic ingredient in many other

>laxatives.  But nobody needs anything fancier (or more costly) than a $5

>jar of basic cascara sagrada.  



I'd restate that to 'but nobody needs anything fancier (or more costly) than a

good diet and regular exercise to move their bowels.'



Cascara sagrada is a contact laxative. YOU DO NOT WANT TO TAKE CONTACT LAXATIVES

OVER LONG PERIODS OF TIME. You -might- want bulk laxatives instead, or daily

exercise and an appropriate diet.



For a general overview of bulk laxatives go to:

   http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/neat-stuff/psyllium.txt

(There's other things too, in neat stuff. To see those go to:

   http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/neat-stuff/neatstuf.html )



Have fun

Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Odd menstrual pain

From: lolack@aol.com (LolaCK)

Date: 1 Sep 1996 23:05:09 -0400



Definitely sounds like endometriosis to me.



Lola



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cats claw for cancer ?

From: MAR_WOL@mindlink.bc.ca (MARLIENE WOLSEY)

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 04:06:23 GMT



	My sister has advanced ovarian cancer I have her on essaic and cats claw q 10

has anyone found help from the cats claw ?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cats claw for cancer ?

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 5 Sep 1996 14:02:13 GMT



MAR_WOL@mindlink.bc.ca (MARLIENE WOLSEY) wrote:

>

> 	My sister has advanced ovarian cancer I have her on essaic and cats claw q 10

> has anyone found help from the cats claw ?





Marliene; I don't have personal, first hand knowledge of Cat's Claw

being used to help/cure cancer but I know there are many anecdotal

reports of it being used for cancers. Check THE HERB RESEARCH 

FOUNDATION, 1007 Pearl Street, suite 200, Boulder Colorado 80302. Or

call them 1-303-449-2265. Sorry, I can't find their e-mail address. 

Also you might find articles by Phillip N. Steinberg,CNC...James A.

Duke,Phd. ... Or Kenneth Jones of Armana Research of some information

or help. The JOURNAL OF NATURAL PRODUCTS had several articles on

Cat's Claw research also. Hope this may be of some help.



                                Best regards, Jerry 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: A plea for herbal smoking alternatives.

From: awest@mail.net-connect.net (August West)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 04:19:25 GMT



Okay,  



I've recently passed 30 years of age and realize that my marijuana

habit has kept me from reaching my utmost potential, spiritually,

physically, and especially financially.   Been a near daily (nightly)

user since age 12.   I feel compelled to buy and smoke although there

is hardly any affect except a cloudy head for little while and lost

wages. It really has lost it's its magic (I don't regret it being in

my life because it did give me a deep appreciation of music

/life/nature.   I enjoy "the ritual" and social aspect of it.   I

kicked the cigarrette habit believe it of not by substituting a lot of

pot smoking at the time (5 years ago) Between Cannibus, wrigleys

spearment and a strong will I got passed cigarettes.   It being

illegal, making me lazy and broke it's time to change

I  figure I'll need to take a similar approach and replace the

expensive cannibus with some other smooth-tasting, maybe slight ly

psychoactive (relaxant, euphoriant.) but legal herb.  Then I could

enjoy a safe alternative and eventally wean myself off of it if it is

a problem.  I realize smoking anything is probably going to have a

negative affect on my lungs but  shorterm non-psychologically

addicting herbs seem to outweigh the dangers.  Paranoia and stress and

money up in smoke is just to much for me.   I am a victim, and need

some help.  Any comments appreciated.  Trying to improve,

August West



"Some day I'll get up and fly away..."









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A plea for herbal smoking alternatives.

From: Pickleman <wrp2@axe.humboldt.edu>

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:08:11 -0700



I heard from my father that Mullen is a good smoke.  He said it didn't 

have as much affect as tabacco, but did make so noticable changes in his 

mood.  He used to smoke it to unwind or to clear his sinuses.  I have 

some dried, but haven't tried it yet.



The Pickleman



...Kool Aid is obviously for kids.  They have dozens of flavors and not 

one tastes decent when fermented!







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A plea for herbal smoking alternatives.

From: elsewhere@not.here (Null Set)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 03:19:41 GMT



      This isn't much, i know, but I have found that bay leaves are pretty

nice to smoke, mixed with other stuff.  They may even give a little tiny

subtle mellow buzz.  Also, as many people know, cloves have a little buzz

capacity.  Both bay leves and cloves taste pretty good. Cloves make any

smoke harsher, but bay leaves will make anything smooth.

      Coriander is also reputed to have some feely good properties, as

does cardamom.  At the very least, these ingredients all smell and taste

good.  maybe mix all these things together, along with some tobacco or

tobacco alternative. I dunno.  Please post any discoveries.



Are you one, Herbert?

                                                 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A plea for herbal smoking alternatives.

From: alcatrazzz@aol.com (Alcatrazzz)

Date: 13 Sep 1996 08:48:32 -0400



For an herbal alternative to cigarettes, there are two products made by R

& A Adventures of Frankfort, NY.  One is called Kickum and another

Jasmine.  Both contain about half dozen different herbs (no mullein as far

as I know).  Tried a couple and it helped me not smoke something else for

a while...   This probably is the aforementioned item from the co-ops.  

Mullein was reputedly used by the Mohegans as a cough remedy by steeping

the leaves in molasses, and several tribes smoked the leaves as remedy for

asthma.  Probably learned from European settlers, who introduced the

plant.  All references I have indicate medicinal use, and no mood altering

effect.  I am curious if anyone has other findings.



Jerry O'Connor



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A plea for herbal smoking alternatives.

From: howieb@teleport.com (Howie Brounstein)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 17:54:46 GMT



Check out the herbal smoking mixtures booklet available via my 

homepage below.





Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A plea for herbal smoking alternatives.

From: FlameWarrior@harrass.com (Flame Warrior)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 19:03:02 GMT



"Nutmeg is also a mild hallucinogenic drug, somewhat like marijuana"

qouted from The Herb Book page 294 by John Lust







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A plea for herbal smoking alternatives.

From: awest@mail.net-connect.net (August West)

Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 03:24:10 GMT



FlameWarrior@harrass.com (Flame Warrior) wrote:



>"Nutmeg is also a mild hallucinogenic drug, somewhat like marijuana"

>qouted from The Herb Book page 294 by John Lust



Thanks for the tip but after doing research into  it, I don't know

what if smoking has any affect and also the after affects seem a bit

worse than an alcohol hangover.  I'll think I'll have to pass on the

nutmeg.  That is unless you have more info on smoking it.  Does it rid

the "nasty" side effects of blurry,red eyed confusion for a day or so?

I also have smelled it in a can and it couldn't be palatable unless

mixed with something else.   Any info on that?









Easy Ryan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A plea for herbal smoking alternatives.

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:55:21 +0100



In article <322D8EEC.BF2@escape.ca>, Steve <jaws@escape.ca> writes

>August West wrote:

>> 

>> FlameWarrior@harrass.com (Flame Warrior) wrote:

>> 

>> >"Nutmeg is also a mild hallucinogenic drug, somewhat like marijuana"

>> >qouted from The Herb Book page 294 by John Lust

>> 

>> Thanks for the tip but after doing research into  it, I don't know

>> what if smoking has any affect and also the after affects seem a bit

>> worse than an alcohol hangover.  I'll think I'll have to pass on the

>> nutmeg.  That is unless you have more info on smoking it.  Does it rid

>> the "nasty" side effects of blurry,red eyed confusion for a day or so?

>> I also have smelled it in a can and it couldn't be palatable unless

>> mixed with something else.   Any info on that?

>> 

>> Easy Ryanyup



English Gypsy Tobbaco

75% coltsfoot leaves

25% herb of choice.

herb of choice can be a simple or a mixture.

includes Lavender, rose, Eyebright, betony, Balm Mellisa, lemon verbana,

Thyme, chamomile and there are hundreds more.( check you are not using

toxic herbs for herb of your choice.)  rub herbs together and place in

air tight tin untill used.

-- 

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The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A plea for herbal smoking alternatives.

From: igraveline@snac.mv.com (Irene Graveline)

Date: 03 Sep 1996 21:56:05 GMT



You're dad probably felt good after smoking this because mullen is a

bronchiodialator (i think that's how it's spelled), it clears up your lungs

and opens up you breathing tubes. It's good stuff



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A plea for herbal smoking alternatives.

From: qwill@primenet.com (Qwill & Zara)

Date: 7 Sep 1996 10:23:04 -0700



I don't know of any home mixed herbal cigarettes, however, there is at

least one herbal cigarette sold in some food coops.  They probably

taste fine.  ( I don't smoke).  Unfortunately,  to anyone not smoking

them, they smell just  like someone lit a porta potty on fire.  The

stuff is nasty.  The only defense-- short of a fire extinguisher-- is

taking a few puffs on them.  Then you won't smell anything for awhile.

Lost in the North Woods,

   Qwill and Zara



Qwill@primenet.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.com

Subject: St. John's Wort (was St. Johns Wart)

From: Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com>

Date: 2 Sep 1996 04:56:36 GMT



How are you taking it?  What amount?  I've never seen any info on this.



Thanks,



dn



rshipp@flash.net (Carole Raymond) wrote:

>"Phyllis Schuster" <phyls@faribault.polaristel.net> wrote:

>

>> (the major side effect is gastric irritation in 0.55%

>>of patients

>

>I'm so happy to see this reference.  I've been taking SJW only 4 days

>and have experienced major gastric problems.  Has anyone else had this

>experience?  Is it something that will go away after I've taken it

>awhile?

>

>On the other hand, I have noticed a big difference in the way I feel.

>I was feeling very tired, no energy, very lethargic.  In the few days

>I've taken SJW, I've noticed a big improvement.

>

>Carole

>craymond@flash.net

>







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.com

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort (was St. Johns Wart)

From: craymond@flash.net (Carole Raymond)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:56:52 GMT



Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com> wrote:



>How are you taking it?  What amount?  I've never seen any info on this.



>Thanks,



>dn



I'm taking capsules from Nature' s Sunshine, 400 mg with Passion

Flower.  The bottle says to take one capsule with a meal three times

daily and to drink at least 8 oz. of water.



Since the gastric problems started, I've only been taking one per day

with lunch.  I'm still seeing benefit without so much discomfort.



Carole

craymond@flash.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Yohimbe extract

From: taurus@prolog.net (Herm)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 05:59:28 GMT



In article <321dd0f4.1854048@news.eunet.fi>, HeK@hetta.pp.fi says...



>>So you discovered Yohimbe? Well I will tell you what yohimbe is. 

>>It is an herb from West Africa and yes it is suppose to have 

>>natural steroid properties But what it is really used for is 

>>impotency. Hence the extra pleasure you have been experiencing. I 

>>have a few of my customers on



>Sorry to be so negative, but I think above is complete bull.



>To get some better information on yohimbe read the entry in the 

>medicinal herbfaq; or download the herbal-medical contraindications 

>from Michael Moore's website(mirrored in my ftp space) (go for the 

>manuals) and look up yohimbe there.



>Can you tell I _don't_ sell yohimbe? 



>Henriette



Well, instead of doing that reading, why not go by word of mouth. My 

doctor prescribed it for me, and it worked for me.  I was impotent. 

Now I am not.  

 

Herm

--

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 taurus@prolog.net  Taurus@alphanet.org

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1255

           Nudist since birth          





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Yohimbe extract

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 22:56:32 -0500



In article <50dt40$53r@news2.ptd.net>, taurus@prolog.net (Herm) wrote:



> In article <321dd0f4.1854048@news.eunet.fi>, HeK@hetta.pp.fi says...

> 

> >>So you discovered Yohimbe? Well I will tell you what yohimbe is. 

> >>It is an herb from West Africa and yes it is suppose to have 

> >>natural steroid properties But what it is really used for is 

> >>impotency. Hence the extra pleasure you have been experiencing. I 

> >>have a few of my customers on

> 

> >Sorry to be so negative, but I think above is complete bull.

> 

> >To get some better information on yohimbe read the entry in the 

> >medicinal herbfaq; or download the herbal-medical contraindications 

> >from Michael Moore's website(mirrored in my ftp space) (go for the 

> >manuals) and look up yohimbe there.

> 

> >Can you tell I _don't_ sell yohimbe? 

> 

> >Henriette

> 

> Well, instead of doing that reading, why not go by word of mouth. My 

> doctor prescribed it for me, and it worked for me.  I was impotent. 

> Now I am not.  

>  

> Herm

> --

>  Rev. Herm Schugard,   K3JSZ since 1959

>  taurus@prolog.net  Taurus@alphanet.org

> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1255

>            Nudist since birth          





Thank you for coming to my defence with your testimony. I had a Chemistry

professor break the herb down for me before giving it to my customers that

is why I warn people about the side affects. Some people are doing well on

this herb but it is only to be used for its intended purpose. By the way I

read alot of herbals not just Moores, because there are alot of famous

herbalist out there who have been my inspiration. Besides an herbalist is

always learning always researching, always experimenting on themselves.

Thanks again. Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Yohimbe extract

From: kpgclark@aol.com (KPGClark)

Date: 5 Sep 1996 23:22:33 -0400





I saw some information on Yohimbe recently (both positive and negative)

on:



http://www.vitawise.com



KPGClark



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,sci.med

Subject: OTC diuretic of some sort...?

From: kmm@neon.ingenia.com (K.M. Mennie)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 08:33:01 GMT





(Summary: I'm just finishing (?) a nasty urinary tract infection; have

been dilligently taking the antibiotics/urinary analgesics/cranberry/&c.

I am at the moment a Canadian visiting the USA for at least another week. 

I'd normally pay my doctor a visit for this sort of thing, but the health 

insurance I got for my US trip has a $1,000 deductible, so... And I

haven't been able to find anything useful on the web, either.  :^( ) 



Problem: I am terribly `bloated.' I've had many a UTI in the past, and

will be getting a cystoscopy (sp) when I get back to Canada, but I've

never had this side effect quite so badly -- every other UTI symptom is

gone, but I'm still not, ah, urinating as much as I feel I should be. I've

been drinking massive quantities of fluids, which almost seems like a bad

idea now, since it just sits there, so to speak.



I've been taking a herbal diuretic (`Wellspring,' ingredients are uva

ursi, juniper berry, & parsley root). It's helping a bit, but I'm

still...swollen. Could anybody suggest either:



	a diuretic that's OTC in the States (the pharmacist I spoke to

today said the best she could think of was PMS pills, which I tried with

no luck)



or



	a more effective herbal diuretic? Industrial strength would be

ideal...



Many thanks in advance for any suggestions, and apologies for the wide

x-post. Yes, I know I should see a doctor, but the $1,000 deductible for a

non-life-threatening thing has me willing to suffer it out until I get

back to Canada. (BTW, I'm in Chicago, if anyone can go so far as to

suggest a place where I might find the suggested diuretic.) 





--

<news:alt.fan.kia-mennie>	     	      <web:http://aaln.org/ht_lit/>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,sci.med

Subject: Re: OTC diuretic of some sort...?

From: newarktm@ix.netcom.com(ORA ROYCE )

Date: 3 Sep 1996 07:18:10 GMT



In <50e63t$srk@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> kmm@neon.ingenia.com (K.M.

Mennie) writes: 

>

>

>(Summary: I'm just finishing (?) a nasty urinary tract infection; have

>been dilligently taking the antibiotics/urinary

analgesics/cranberry/&c.

>I am at the moment a Canadian visiting the USA for at least another

week. 

>I'd normally pay my doctor a visit for this sort of thing, but the

health 

>insurance I got for my US trip has a $1,000 deductible, so... And I

>haven't been able to find anything useful on the web, either.  :^( ) 

>

>Problem: I am terribly `bloated.' I've had many a UTI in the past, and

>will be getting a cystoscopy (sp) when I get back to Canada, but I've

>never had this side effect quite so badly -- every other UTI symptom

is

>gone, but I'm still not, ah, urinating as much as I feel I should be.

I've

>been drinking massive quantities of fluids, which almost seems like a

bad

>idea now, since it just sits there, so to speak.

>

>I've been taking a herbal diuretic (`Wellspring,' ingredients are uva

>ursi, juniper berry, & parsley root). It's helping a bit, but I'm

>still...swollen. Could anybody suggest either:

>

>	a diuretic that's OTC in the States (the pharmacist I spoke to

>today said the best she could think of was PMS pills, which I tried

with

>no luck)

>

>or

>

>	a more effective herbal diuretic? Industrial strength would be

>ideal...

>

>Many thanks in advance for any suggestions, and apologies for the wide

>x-post. Yes, I know I should see a doctor, but the $1,000 deductible

for a

>non-life-threatening thing has me willing to suffer it out until I get

>back to Canada. (BTW, I'm in Chicago, if anyone can go so far as to

>suggest a place where I might find the suggested diuretic.) 

>

>

>--

><news:alt.fan.kia-mennie>	     	      <web:http://aaln.org/ht_lit/>



Have you tried Vitamin C.  two 500 mg. will stop the pain for a while

and also acts as a diuretic if you take it often enough.  But where did

you get the antibiotics without a prescription?  Going to a doctor

doesn't cost $1000.00 (your deductible).  It might be worth putting out

the price of a visit to a doctor and paying for it yourself instead of

waiting until you go back to Canada.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,sci.med

Subject: Re: OTC diuretic of some sort...?

From: suzan@epix.net (Suzan)

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:53:46 -0500





||>(Summary: I'm just finishing (?) a nasty urinary tract infection; have

||>been dilligently taking the antibiotics/urinary

||analgesics/cranberry/&c.

||>I am at the moment a Canadian visiting the USA for at least another

||week. 

||>I'd normally pay my doctor a visit for this sort of thing, but the

||health 

||>insurance I got for my US trip has a $1,000 deductible, so... And I

||>haven't been able to find anything useful on the web, either.  :^( ) 



And a doctor's visit will probably not cost more than $100 even if you go

to a specialist.



||>Problem: I am terribly `bloated.' I've had many a UTI in the past, and

||>will be getting a cystoscopy (sp) when I get back to Canada, but I've

||>never had this side effect quite so badly -- every other UTI symptom

||is

||>gone, but I'm still not, ah, urinating as much as I feel I should be.

||I've

||>been drinking massive quantities of fluids, which almost seems like a

||bad

||>idea now, since it just sits there, so to speak.

||>

||>I've been taking a herbal diuretic (`Wellspring,' ingredients are uva

||>ursi, juniper berry, & parsley root). It's helping a bit, but I'm

||>still...swollen. Could anybody suggest either:

||>



||>       a more effective herbal diuretic? Industrial strength would be

||>ideal...





Regular black tea works just fine for most people.... And lots of

watermelon works for some.



Suzan



*************************************************

"Live never to be ashamed if anything you do 

or say is published around the world...

even if what is published is not true." 

Richard Bach

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,sci.med

Subject: Re: OTC diuretic of some sort...?

From: "R.Ph." <rph@telepath.com>

Date: 3 Sep 1996 15:55:31 GMT







> Could anybody suggest either:

> 

> 	a diuretic that's OTC in the States (the pharmacist I spoke to

> today said the best she could think of was PMS pills, which I tried with

> no luck)

> 

> or

> 

> 	a more effective herbal diuretic? Industrial strength would be

> ideal...



have you tried caffeine?



or  Aqua-Ban (an OTC diuretic)

or  Diurex (an OTC diuretic)



as far as the herbal products go...hmmm, seeing as how they are regulated

as a "food-stuff" and thus protected from FDA regulation concerning "drugs"

and such...they can get by with their marketing schemes...that is, they may

label their product suggesting that it is a natural product for  diuresis,

but on the directions...look at what they claim:    "...as a dietary

supplement."  Since there is no clinical evidence, no trials, no studies to

support their claim, I'm afraid I can't see the logic in recommending

something that can't be shown to be effective.



a humble pharmacists' opinion,

-Phil



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,sci.med

Subject: Re: OTC diuretic of some sort...?

From: Ken Tough <ken@objectech.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:58:36 +0100



>Problem: I am terribly `bloated.' I've had many a UTI in the past, and

>will be getting a cystoscopy (sp) when I get back to Canada, but I've

>never had this side effect quite so badly -- every other UTI symptom is

>gone, but I'm still not, ah, urinating as much as I feel I should be. I've

>been drinking massive quantities of fluids, which almost seems like a bad

>idea now, since it just sits there, so to speak.

>

>I've been taking a herbal diuretic (`Wellspring,' ingredients are uva

>ursi, juniper berry, & parsley root). It's helping a bit, but I'm

>still...swollen. Could anybody suggest either:



Try eating grapefruit, peeling them like oranges.  It's my personal

opinion that they make a fantastic diuretic (no matter what/when, I 

always need to urinate 5 minutes after eating one).  Dunno whether it's

something in the pith or what, but I think it's important to eat them

like an orange.  Give it a try: can't hurt, what what?

-- 

Ken Tough                           Objective Technologies Ltd

ken@objectech.co.uk                 PO Box 8, TRURO, United Kingdom



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,sci.med

Subject: Re: OTC diuretic of some sort...?

From: mlittle@inmind.com (Mike Little)

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 17:22:42 GMT



In article <50e63t$srk@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, kmm@aaln.org wrote:

>



>

>I've been taking a herbal diuretic (`Wellspring,' ingredients are uva

>ursi, juniper berry, & parsley root). It's helping a bit, but I'm

>still...swollen. Could anybody suggest either:

>

>        a diuretic that's OTC in the States (the pharmacist I spoke to

>today said the best she could think of was PMS pills, which I tried with

>no luck)

>

>or

>

>        a more effective herbal diuretic? Industrial strength would be

>ideal...

>





You may wish to try the herb Goldenseal. The root is the most effective part 

of the plant. It is VERY effective. It should be available in most health-food 

stores. Wal-Mart here carries it as well.



A good source of info on this and other herbs, as well as health topics in 

general, is a very old (several decades) bookby Jethro Kloss called "Back to 

Eden". Most bookstores either carry or can order this book.



Hope this helps.



Mike



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,sci.med

Subject: Re: OTC diuretic of some sort...?

From: "Ellen J. MacKay" <EMacKay@juno.com>

Date: 7 Sep 96 17:25:13 GMT



Be careful with these things.  I nearly "killed" myself with herbal

diuretics.  Take potassium with them as they deplete your body of this

mineral and can lead to an irregular heartbeat.  If you want to lose water

weight drink lots of WATER.  I drink about about 6 pints of water a day and

it really helps.  Watermelon is a great diuretic also.  Stop using salt and

try not to eat much red meat.  No fast food.  It can change your life.

-- 

Ellen



EMacKay@juno.com



> In article <50e63t$srk@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, kmm@aaln.org wrote:

> >

> 

> >

> >I've been taking a herbal diuretic (`Wellspring,' ingredients are uva

> >ursi, juniper berry, & parsley root). It's helping a bit, but I'm

> >still...swollen. Could anybody suggest either:

> >

> >        a diuretic that's OTC in the States (the pharmacist I spoke to

> >today said the best she could think of was PMS pills, which I tried with

> >no luck)

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tabernanthe iboga = Ibogaine

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 08:02:00 -0400



In article <502g8c$m1o@news.net-connect.net>, awest@mail.net-connect.net

(August West) writes:



>I read Ibogaine was a hallucinogen that is now a controlled substance

>in the US.  Can anyone confirm this.  If it is not controlled then who

>supplies it?  I heard one dose  throws all your nasty habits in your

>life right in your face and makes you realize how ugly they are so you

>have no more craving for them. From cigarettes to heroin addiction.  I

>also heard it kills withdrawals.  Sounds way to good to be true.

>Could it be?  Any comments?



Yes, it is a schedule I controlled substance just like LSD, heroin,

cocaine, etc.  There's been some very recent and intriguing research with

the drug both in Europe and in the U.S.  It has numerous mechanisms of

action in the central nervous system and nobody knows for sure how it does

what it does, but it does seem to completely block the withdrawal syndrome

from heroin and cocaine and shows great promise in the treatment of

addiction as long as it can unequivocally be shown to be safe.  For more

info, check out the websites that Eboka posted in the prior message.



David



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tabernanthe iboga = Ibogaine

From: grabec@aol.com (GraBec)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 00:49:29 -0400



Very interesting about this drug. Any thoughts about it helping with food

cravings as long as we are talking about some serious cravings?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: woconnor@wwdc.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St Johns Wort & Diet (+ other info)

From: Jeanne & Gary Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 2 Sep 1996 13:35:43 GMT



Hi.  I've wondered this as well.  I have used St. Johns Wort for 

depression and anxiety on and off for a year. I believe it to be 

effective.  I use it for up to three weeks and then take at least a one 

week break (I usually feel good enough after 3 weeks to take a week off). 



My understanding, too, is that it is probably a weak MAO-inhibitor.  Your 

comments regarding MAO-inhibitors are true, and food/drug interactions 

can cause life threatening hypertensive episodes. BTW, MAO-Is also 

interact with tri-cyclic (e.g. imipramine) and SSRI-type anti-depressants 

(e.g. Prozac), so similar cautions should be applied there.  Even 

over-the-counter stuff like cold medicines containing any mono-amines 

(e.g. pseudoehedrine) can precipitate such reactions.  A two-week 

wash-out period before or after using MAO-Is is usually dictated.



Now, I use SJW and have never had any problems. I use Pseudofed regularly 

this time of year.  I use the Gaia Herbs "Fresh St. John's Wort" 

tincture, 10 drops in water, 2-3 times/day.  If you can avoid the 

potential MAO-I interactive foods and drugs without hassle, do it.  If 

you're nervous, do it anyway.  I have found no references in the herbal 

or medical literature regarding hypertensive episodes from SJW, but I 

have seen a _few_ for photo dermatitis (stay out of bright sun for long 

periods while using it).



I too, would love to learn of others experiences.  Does anyone have 

scholarly literature references on SJW as an anti-depressantI've tried 

five (prescription) anti-depressants over the past year, and I believe 

SJW works best for me.





"W. O'Connor" <woconnor@wwdc.com> wrote:

>Hello, all:

>

>I have read with interest all that has been posted on St. John's Wort, 

>and its effects and side-effects.  I am interested in it, as I understand 

>it works (for depression) as an MAO inhibitor.  I am wondering...does it 

>carry the same dietary restrictions as other MAOIs?

>

>With most pharmacological MAO inhibitors, one must be careful not to 

>consume foods containing the amino acid tyrosine (chianti wine, aged 

>cheddar, fava beans, and a few others).  MAOs normally metabolize 

>tyrosine, but if they are inhibited, the excess tyrosine can cause a 

>dangerous hypertensive episode.  (BTW, don't take my word as gospel, but 

>this is what I have gathered). Some newer MAOIs are more specific and 

>don't carry dietary restrictions.

>

>So...what about the Wort?  If one takes it should one give up wine & 

>cheese?  (Oh, no).  I would appreciate any feedback on this, or personal 

>stories concerning the Wort's effectiveness.

>

>-- W. O'Connor







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St Johns Wort & Diet (+ other info)

From: Linda_R._Ehrisman@snac.mv.com (Linda R. Ehrisman)

Date: 05 Sep 1996 14:49:09 GMT



  I have been diagnosed with severe chronic depression and PTSD.  I know

therapy would help but right now I am broke and going thru legal problems

with my ex and getting my son what he needs.  He has Tourettes Syndrome, ADHD

without the H, some OCD and motor problems and Temporal Lobe Epilepsy.    Can

someone help me figure out a cheap way to get by with herbs?

Linda

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St Johns Wort & Diet (+ other info)

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 13 Sep 1996 19:54:24 -0400



In article <549253086.148157325@snac.mv.com>,

Linda_R._Ehrisman@snac.mv.com (Linda R. Ehrisman) writes:



> I have been diagnosed with severe chronic depression and PTSD.  I know

>therapy would help but right now I am broke and going thru legal problems

>with my ex and getting my son what he needs.  He has Tourettes Syndrome,

ADHD

>without the H, some OCD and motor problems and Temporal Lobe Epilepsy.   

Can

>someone help me figure out a cheap way to get by with herbs?

>Linda



Your best bet would probably be to look for a doctor of naturopathy (N.D.)

in your area.  Or go to a decent bookstore or health food store and buy an

up-to-date book on herbal medicine that includes full research references

to back up the info in the book.  In the mean time, for your depression

you can try St. John's Wort extract, 300 mg capsules 3 times/day

(standardized for 0.3% hypericin).  Good luck!!



David



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St Johns Wort & Diet (+ other info)

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 14 Sep 1996 17:31:03 -0400



In article <51cs7g$sv9@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, davepsych1@aol.com

(DavePsych1) writes:



>Your best bet would probably be to look for a doctor of naturopathy

(N.D.)

>in your area.  



Unfortunately, if you are short of cash, this can be expensive.  If you

happen to live in the Seattle or Portland area, try the school clinics

(National in Portland, Bastyr in Seattle), which charge minimal fees. 

Also, your local library probably has some herbal or alternative medicine

books available (at least the Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine or one of

Andrew Weil's books).  



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St Johns Wort & Diet (+ other info)

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 14 Sep 1996 17:50:27 -0400



In article <549253086.148157325@snac.mv.com>,

Linda_R._Ehrisman@snac.mv.com (Linda R. Ehrisman) writes:



> I have been diagnosed with severe chronic depression and PTSD.  I know

>therapy would help but right now I am broke and going thru legal problems

>with my ex and getting my son what he needs.  He has Tourettes Syndrome,

ADHD

>without the H, some OCD and motor problems and Temporal Lobe Epilepsy.   

Can

>someone help me figure out a cheap way to get by with herbs?

>Linda



Your best bet would probably be to look for a doctor of naturopathy (N.D.)

in your area.  Or go to a decent bookstore or health food store and buy an

up-to-date book on herbal medicine that includes full research references

to back up the info in the book.  In the mean time, for your depression

you can try St. John's Wort extract, 300 mg capsules 3 times/day

(standardized for 0.3% hypericin).  Good luck!!



David



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St Johns Wort & Diet (+ other info)

From: Linda_R._Ehrisman@snac.mv.com (Linda R. Ehrisman)

Date: 16 Sep 1996 08:47:38 GMT



Thank you, everyone for your help.  I don't live on the West Coast, but in New

Hampshire.  It can get pretty expensive up here.  

 I am an avid book buyer, so I will get some material from the store or

library.  

  Linda

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for dreaming

From: Mary Elizabeth <beth@orph.org>

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 09:58:37 -0400



Try an aromatherapy approach.  Put a drop of wild marjoram oil on a

cotton ball & put it near your bed (I don't put it on my pillow because

it's so hard to wash out or use an aromatherapy diffuser.  Brings very

vivid dreams.



MEB



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for dreaming

From: "Mike/Geri" <factotum@aa.net>

Date: 3 Sep 1996 21:39:57 GMT



I've noticed on the nights I take Melatonin my dreams are way 'off the

wall'......anyone else notice this?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wild Yam (was anxiety/mood swings related to menopause

From: Mary Elizabeth <beth@orph.org>

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 10:03:35 -0400



yanina brown wrote:

> 

> In article <4v838d$nmb@news2.ptd.net>, simca@postoffice.ptd.net says...

> >

> >Wondered if anyone could suggest a remedy for my sporadic (but

> annoying)

> >moodswings.  I'm a vegetarian and practice using herbs regarding my

> general

> >health and now - the menopause thing. I also use homeopathics.  A gyn

> >suggested I take Prempro (estrogen/progestin) - I read the insert and

> a PDR -

> >it's pretty scary.  As well - have done alot of reading on wild yam -

> >According to Rodale Institute - that too can be (and probably is)

> tainted by

> >synthetics (although not labeled as such).  What to do?

> >

> >Marie

> >

> You could try soya milk. It has a natural hormone, which is said to be

> great for menopause.



I was complaining to my acupuncturist about my weight gain & changes in

my cycle (I'm 42) & she told me about perimenopause; does anyone have

any good sources of information on this?  She also mentioned having read

that fat cells contain estrogen, so the "middle-aged spread" could be

the body's reaction to lessened estrogen production.  Is there a good,

concise reference on wild yam in connection with this, please?  Would

like to try to add it to my daily "herb diet."



TIA,

	MEB



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: beth@orph.org

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wild Yam (was anxiety/mood swings related to menopause

From: Penny Freshwater <pfreshwa@hr.house.gov>

Date: 3 Sep 1996 20:13:51 GMT



Dr. Christiane Northrup's book  "Women's Bodies Women's Mind" is the	

best source I know of for educating yourself on perimenopause.....It 

helped me a bunch







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wild Yam (was anxiety/mood swings related to menopause

From: HerbsNMassage@cwo.com

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 05:20:01 GMT



Mary Elizabeth <beth@orph.org> lightly touched ink to paper and wrote:



>yanina brown wrote:

>> 

>> In article <4v838d$nmb@news2.ptd.net>, simca@postoffice.ptd.net says...

>> >

snip

>> >

snip

>I was complaining to my acupuncturist about my weight gain & changes in

>my cycle (I'm 42) & she told me about perimenopause; 

snip



I believe she/he meant....premenopause.  A women cannot be menopausal

if she is having her periods at all....premenopausal means a woman has

started to stop the menstruation phase.  I'm also 42. I have been

pre-menopausal since I was 37.  When I am in menopause, I will have

totally ceased to have my period in any form.



J



>TIA,

>	MEB



Official Herbalist and Keeper of the Snugglekiss





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wild Yam (was anxiety/mood swings related to menopause

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:02:44 -0500







On Wed, 4 Sep 1996 HerbsNMassage@cwo.com wrote:



> Mary Elizabeth <beth@orph.org> lightly touched ink to paper and wrote:

> 

> >yanina brown wrote:

> >> 

> >> In article <4v838d$nmb@news2.ptd.net>, simca@postoffice.ptd.net says...

> >> >

> snip

> >> >

> snip

> >I was complaining to my acupuncturist about my weight gain & changes in

> >my cycle (I'm 42) & she told me about perimenopause; 

> snip

> 

> I believe she/he meant....premenopause.  A women cannot be menopausal

> if she is having her periods at all....premenopausal means a woman has

> started to stop the menstruation phase.  I'm also 42. I have been

> pre-menopausal since I was 37.  When I am in menopause, I will have

> totally ceased to have my period in any form.

> 

> J

> 

> >TIA,

> >	MEB

> 

> Official Herbalist and Keeper of the Snugglekiss

> 

> 

> 

Peri-menopausal is a valid, medical term. It refers to those women who 

are within the "normal" range of menopause and are beginning to exhibit 

menopausal symptoms - hot flashes, dry skin, etc. but have normal and 

regular periods.



pre-menopausal is anytime before menopause (from the day a woman is born 

she is pre-menopausal, until she begins menopause) - but is usually reserved 

for adult women who have yet to reach the age range of menopause. 



Menopausal women are those that are experiencing a cessation of mensus, 

although an occasional cycle may occur. Once a woman has not had a mensus 

for a full year, she is considered post-menopausal.



Cissy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bilberry

From: Mary Elizabeth <beth@orph.org>

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 10:20:20 -0400



Glynn & Kathy Greenwood wrote:

> 

> Linda de Gonzalez wrote :-

> > The story about the air force gunners & pilots using it is true, btw.

> > It's the Royal Air Force (Great Britain), and they used bilberry jam

> > on their toast every day!!!

> 

> Sorry Linda but, no.  Bilberry was virtually unknown in this country until

> the 1960s and were rare even then.  Since all goods imported during the war had

> to run the gauntlet of the German U-boats space was not wasted on such things.

> 



<snip>



Hm, well, not to contradict you but James Herriott wrote about having

bilberry pie on his honeymoon in the '30s.  I've always understood that

bilberries were as common in the UK as blueberries are in the U.S.



MEB



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bilberry

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 5 Sep 1996 14:29:22 GMT



  As the cones 

> and rods deteriorate, due to age or disease, vision worsens. It's 

> taken up quite efficiently by the body, and has no side effects that I 

> have ever heard of. I realize the above is not anywhere near a 

> "scientific" explanation, but since I'm not a Ph.D. in organic 

> chemistry, maybe someone else can volunteer.

> 

> 

> Linda



Linda; as a layman I think you have done a great job of explaning

the benefits of Bilberry. I don't know about the "Bilberry Jam" story,

I always heard it was true also, but then I'm not from England. Boy,

aren't some so called medical experts dense! As they say, ''There are

none so blind who WILL not see" 



                                In good health (through herbs),Jerry

 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginko biloba

From: rshipp@flash.net (Randy Shipp)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:38:12 GMT



meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY) wrote:





>I am interested in hearing about people's personal experiences with

>Ginko biloba extract.  The FAQ does discuss Ginko but only the

>medicinal properties, etc.  I would like to hear from people who have

>used it, what they used it for, if it was prescribed or suggested by a

>medical person (e.g. doctor? naturopath?), why they decided to start

>taking it, how much/how often they took, how they took it (e.g. pills?

>tincture? I know you have to take a lot of tincture to get the

>necessary dose), side effects if any, where they got it from, whatever

>experiences people choose to share, anything else that comes to mind. 

>I want to know it all!! 



I've been taking Nature's Plus Ginkgo 100 for the past 2-3 months.

(I've read you want to make sure it's standardized)  I was having a

lot of trouble concentrating and remembering things, I think due to

stress.  I noticed a big difference in just a couple of days.  I take

one capsule in the morning, but if I haven't slept well or it's a real

challenging day, I'll take another at noon.  



I started taking it because of a Ginkoba commercial and then I looked

it up on the web.  I live in Fort Worth, Texas.



Carole

craymond@flash.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Knock off the plant garbage, already!

From: tgreyzck@ix.netcom.com (Herb Tarlec)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 14:57:27 GMT



Hey, what's with all this plant stuff?  This is supposed to be a

newsgroup with stories about guys named Herb!  They name of the group

IS alt.folklore.herbs, people, so get with the program and go post

your tree-hugging notes somewhere else, like comp.text.interleaf or

alt.fan.woody-allen.



For the few notes that ARE Herb-related, they just go on and on about

how to pick and prepare them - gives me the shivers just thinking

about it.  If my wife ever figured out the computer and read this

group, I could be in BIG trouble.



So, knock it off!



--



Herb Tarlec

Sales Manager, WKRP

Cincinatti, Ohio, USA



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Knock off the plant garbage, already!

From: FlameWarrior@harrass.com (Flame Warrior)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 15:21:11 GMT



tgreyzck@ix.netcom.com (Herb Tarlec) wrote:

>Hey, what's with all this plant stuff?  This is supposed to be a

>newsgroup with stories about guys named Herb! 

>So, knock it off!

>--

>Herb Tarlec

>Sales Manager, WKRP

>Cincinatti, Ohio, USA



Herb, I'm going to plant your sorry ass in the garden, if you don't

get the **** out of here.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Knock off the plant garbage, already!

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 18:59:02 -0700



tgreyzck@ix.netcom.com (Herb Tarlec) wrote:



>Hey, what's with all this plant stuff?  This is supposed to be a

>newsgroup with stories about guys named Herb!  They name of the group

>IS alt.folklore.herbs, people, so get with the program and go post

>your tree-hugging notes somewhere else, like comp.text.interleaf or

>alt.fan.woody-allen.



Herb:

  Take your white patent leather shoes, make a nice extract of them,

and drink it.  Afterwards, take that spiffy, oh-so-seductive, matching

belt and make a nice neck tourniquet.

  Or if you prefer ... let me test the dosages of water hemlock on

you.  My last assistant is now making an excellent addition to the

compost heap, due to a teeny miscalculation in the dilution factor.

I never was very good at math .....



Callie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Knock off the plant garbage, already!

From: "p.whitmer" <pwhitmer@bcpl.lib.md.us>

Date: 4 Sep 1996 15:46:33 GMT



"Plant Garbage" that's what goes into the composter!



Jo Ann [on husband's account]



Herb Tarlec <tgreyzck@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article

<322aef47.5103109@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

> Hey, what's with all this plant stuff?  This is supposed to be a

> newsgroup with stories about guys named Herb!  They name of the group

> IS alt.folklore.herbs, people, so get with the program and go post

> your tree-hugging notes somewhere else, like comp.text.interleaf or

> alt.fan.woody-allen.

> 

> For the few notes that ARE Herb-related, they just go on and on about

> how to pick and prepare them - gives me the shivers just thinking

> about it.  If my wife ever figured out the computer and read this

> group, I could be in BIG trouble.

> 

> So, knock it off!

> 

> --

> 

> Herb Tarlec

> Sales Manager, WKRP

> Cincinatti, Ohio, USA

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Adelma Simmons

From: p020188b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (William Brainard)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 15:44:02 GMT



Has anyone read any of Adlema Grenier Simmons books on herbs?  This 

fascinating woman started her Caprillands Herb Farm in Coventry Ct. in 

1929 and the last I knew she was still conducting daily lectures and 

luncheons at her 50 acre farm with the many fascinating herb gardens in 

rural northeast Connecticut.  A lovely spot to have a wedding!



--





William Brainard

p020188b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Natures Way: St. Johns/Valerian Root

From: mrbcom@aol.com (Mrbcom)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 12:15:12 -0400



I have a question I hope someone

can help me with.



I was diagnosed with clinical depression

as well as panic/anxiety disorder.  I have 

been using Prozac for the last three years 

as well as Valium when needed.



I was told that St. John's Wort and Valeria

Root were similiar substitutes for these two

prescriptions.  Is this indeed true and can

others here speak from experience to that

fact?



My doctor is aware that I want to try this and

is willing to see me through it but I need advice

as to which form is best.



I purchased capsules of both by a company

called "Natures Way".  The appear "dried

and powdered" but I don't know.  Someone

mentioned "dried" stuff is virtually worthless

is this also true?  Both St Johns and Valeria 

were availble in liquid form.  



There was also something called "Phyto-Proz" 

which in addition to St. Johns Wort contained

Kava Root, Passion Flower, Schizandra Berry,

Wild Oats, Calamus Root, Ginseng, Nettle Seed,

Prickly Ash Bark and Kola Leaf and Root.



Are all those beneficial or better yet, has anyone

tried this and can report back?



I'm just trying to eleminate as many chemicals from

my life as I can.  Any help or direction would be greatly 

appreciated.



Thanks, Michael  :-)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Natures Way: St. Johns/Valerian Root

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 19:04:02 -0700



mrbcom@aol.com (Mrbcom) wrote:



>I was told that St. John's Wort and Valeria

>Root were similiar substitutes for these two

>prescriptions.  Is this indeed true and can

>others here speak from experience to that

>fact?

  Valerian has a long history of use as a sedative.  SJW is being used

in Europe for mild depression.



>I purchased capsules of both by a company

>called "Natures Way".  The appear "dried

>and powdered" but I don't know.  Someone

>mentioned "dried" stuff is virtually worthless

>is this also true?  Both St Johns and Valeria 

>were availble in liquid form.  

  Valerian capsules work well ... but long-term frequent use,

according to the Materia Medica, can be depressing.

(might not be exactly what you want)  I use linden flower for sleeping

problems ... it's quite effective for occasional use.

  Whether you use dried or tincture depends on which herbalist you

read.  I found that tea from the dried flower of SJW was enough of an

antidepressant.



>There was also something called "Phyto-Proz" 

>which in addition to St. Johns Wort contained

>Kava Root, Passion Flower, Schizandra Berry,

>Wild Oats, Calamus Root, Ginseng, Nettle Seed,

>Prickly Ash Bark and Kola Leaf and Root.

  Wow, what a witches brew!  

One problem with all these ... if you have a bad reaction, it's hard

to tell what it came from.

Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Natures Way: St. Johns/Valerian Root

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 08:20:14 -0400



In article <50f16g$plr@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mrbcom@aol.com (Mrbcom)

writes:



>I purchased capsules of both by a company

>called "Natures Way".  The appear "dried

>and powdered" but I don't know.  Someone

>mentioned "dried" stuff is virtually worthless

>is this also true?  Both St Johns and Valeria 

>were availble in liquid form.  



Natures Way has been around for a long time, but the problem is that their

products aren't standardized in potency so you have no idea about how much

of the active ingredient (s) you're getting in any given capsule. 

Enzymatic Therapy and Nature's Plus both have standardized extracts of SJW

(ideally, 0.3% hypericin in 300 mg capsules, taken 3 times/day) and

probably Valerian also (standardized for 1% valeric acid I think).  Hope

this helps!



David



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Combining Herbs ?

From: Mark Holmes <mholmes@netva.com>

Date: 2 Sep 1996 19:00:35 GMT



I'm currently taking 3 different herb extracts - goldenseal (for my 

allergies/mucous membranes), barberry (to stimulate production of bile, 

since I recently had my gallbladder removed) and saw palmetto as a 

preventative to prostate problems.  Since I'm supposed to take these 2-3 

times a day, is there a problem with taking these together?



Also - these are extracts and the instructions say to put 10-15 drops in 

a small amount of water.  What is considered a small amount of water - 2 

ozs, perhaps?



Anyone experience bad breath from taking these tinctures?  Seems like 

they're giving it to me.  



Thanks for your help!  New to herbs and this newsgroup.



Mark

mholmes@netva.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: rosehips

From: Cindy Pflugh <cindyp@axxess.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 13:41:13 -0600



Hi

Anyone know the best time to pick rosehips? Is it when they are hard

and rosy, or kinda soft and rosy?

Thanks



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: rosehips

From: meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY)

Date: 3 Sep 1996 00:35:29 GMT



In <322B3859.64E@axxess.net> Cindy Pflugh <cindyp@axxess.net> writes: 

>

>Hi

>Anyone know the best time to pick rosehips? Is it when they are hard

>and rosy, or kinda soft and rosy?

>Thanks



I believe it's after the first frost.  I can't find a reference on this

but I think this is what I've heard. 



Meadow



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: rosehips

From: gladius@portal.ca (Linda de Gonzalez)

Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 02:35:36 GMT



In article <322B3859.64E@axxess.net>, Cindy Pflugh <cindyp@axxess.net> 

wrote:

>Hi

>Anyone know the best time to pick rosehips? Is it when they are hard

>and rosy, or kinda soft and rosy?

>Thanks



I always thought it was after the first frost: apparently (hey, it's 

magic, what can I say) you get more Vit. C out of them if they've 

frozen first. I have no idea why that would be. I don't even know if 

it's true, but my mother's rosehip jelly was never made with unfrozen 

rosehips!! 



Linda



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: preparing poke tincture?

From: kle2@cornell.edu (Karen Edelstein)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 16:02:20 -0400



I would like to make a tincture of fresh poke weed root as indicated in a

book I have read on breast health.  Limited amounts of this tincture are

supposed to help lessen breast cysts.  Any advice on making this

tincture?  Should the fresh root be grated, chopped, or otherwise prepared

before going into the alcohol?  How long should it set before it is

strained?



Karen



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preparing poke tincture?

From: meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY)

Date: 3 Sep 1996 00:40:54 GMT



In <kle2-0209961602210001@cu-dialup-0064.cit.cornell.edu>

kle2@cornell.edu (Karen Edelstein) writes: 

>

>I would like to make a tincture of fresh poke weed root as indicated

in a

>book I have read on breast health.  Limited amounts of this tincture

are

>supposed to help lessen breast cysts.  Any advice on making this

>tincture?  Should the fresh root be grated, chopped, or otherwise

prepared

>before going into the alcohol?  How long should it set before it is

>strained?

>

>Karen



I've never worked with poke weed so I can't be at all specific. 

However, every reference on tincture making that I've seen has said to

grate or chop the herb before putting it into the alcohol-water

solution.  I use my blender but I've also just chopped things up small.

This is to allow the alcohol-water solution to contact as much surface

of the herb as possible. 



Regarding how long it should sit, I would say at least 2 weeks, or at

least until the tincture begins to turn color, whichever is longer.  I

usually let mine sit for months.  If you need it right away you

probably can use it after a few hours, just take some off the top and

leave the herb in so it can continue to steep.  



I must repeat that this is only from other types of tinctures I've

made.  



Good luck!



Meadow



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: kle2@cornell.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preparing poke tincture?

From: Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:07:16 GMT



kle2@cornell.edu (Karen Edelstein) wrote:

>I would like to make a tincture of fresh poke weed root as indicated 

>in a book I have read on breast health.  Limited amounts of this

>tincture are supposed to help lessen breast cysts.  Any advice on

>making this tincture?  Should the fresh root be grated, chopped, or

>otherwise prepared before going into the alcohol?  How long should it

>set before it is strained?



Susuan Weed discusses it in her book _Wise Woman Herbal for The

Childbearing Year_ in relation to mastitis (breast infection while

nursing).  She doesn't specify anything special in the preparation

other than using *fresh* root.  You might check her other women's

herbals for dosage information.  Anyway, here are her general

directons for preparting tincutres:



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BEGIN QUOTE



TINCTURING  is amazingly simple:



* Identify and pick the plant parts you desire to tincutre.

* Look through the plant material and discard any damaged parts.

* Do not wash any part of the plant except roots, and those only when

  necessary.

* Chop the plant material coarsley, except flowers and delicate plants.

* Fill a jar to the top with the chopped plant material.

* Then fill the jar to the top with 100 proof vodka, vinegar, or the

  spirit of your choice (Yes, you can fill a jar to the top twice!)

* Cap the jar tightly.

* Label the jar with the name of the plant, the part of the plant used,

  the type of spirit used and the date. Example: Shepherd's Purse

                                               Whole plant in flower

                                                  100 proof vodka

                                                    12 May 1985

* Top up the liquid level the next day. (The plant fairies come by and

  take a little taste of each new tincutre.)

* Allow plant and alcohol to mingle togehter for six weeks or more.

* Decant the tincture and it is ready to use.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~END QUOTE



Best of luck!



Morning Glory







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs to erect penis

From: gunerf@aol.com (Gunerf)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 18:17:59 -0400



I need help.  I am 44 year old married male.  About six months ago I had a

problem started with my penis.  It does not get as hard and erect as it

used to be.



I do not have any problem with my sperm ejection or my apetite for sex.



If any one knows an herb cure to my problem , please send me a e-mail or

post a note.



Thanks.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to erect penis

From: jcrrau@primenet.com (James Charles Rau)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 17:34:02 -0700



gunerf@aol.com (Gunerf) wrote:



Sir:



I'd really have to suggest that you see your doctor first. The problem

you describe could be due to either cardio-pulmonary disease or

diabetes.



James



>I need help.  I am 44 year old married male.  About six months ago I had a

>problem started with my penis.  It does not get as hard and erect as it

>used to be.



>I do not have any problem with my sperm ejection or my apetite for sex.



>If any one knows an herb cure to my problem , please send me a e-mail or

>post a note.



>Thanks.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to erect penis

From: drweed@1stnet.net (Duane Weed, DC)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 20:38:25 GMT



In article <50fmen$57n@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, gunerf@aol.com says...

>

>I need help.  I am 44 year old married male.  About six months ago I 

had a

>problem started with my penis.  It does not get as hard and erect as it

>used to be.

>

>I do not have any problem with my sperm ejection or my apetite for sex.

>

>If any one knows an herb cure to my problem , please send me a e-mail 

or

>post a note.

>

>Thanks.



Saw Palmetto Berries work wonders for this. Also, Nature's Sunshine has 

an herbal combination called Men's Formula, containing Saw Palmetto 

Extract, Pygeum, and others, that is even more powerful.





---

Visit interactive herbal web site: 

http://www.1stnet.net/~drweed





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to erect penis

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:58:42 +0100



In article <50kpc1$ahe@news.1stnet.net>, "Duane Weed, DC"

<drweed@1stnet.net> writes

>In article <50fmen$57n@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, gunerf@aol.com says...

>>

>>I need help.  I am 44 year old married male.  About six months ago I 

>had a

>>problem started with my penis.  It does not get as hard and erect as it

>>used to be.

>>

>>I do not have any problem with my sperm ejection or my apetite for sex.

>>

>>If any one knows an herb cure to my problem , please send me a e-mail 

>or

>>post a note.

>>

>>Thanks.

>

>Saw Palmetto Berries work wonders for this. Also, Nature's Sunshine has 

>an herbal combination called Men's Formula, containing Saw Palmetto 

>Extract, Pygeum, and others, that is even more powerful.

>

>

>---

>Visit interactive herbal web site: 

>http://www.1stnet.net/~drweed

>



Do see a Doctor, if it is not seriouse you have lost nothing, except

some of your fears. there are plenty of herbs available,

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to erect penis

From: taurus@prolog.net (Herm)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 04:49:32 GMT



In article <50s1ct$j5t@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, 

Grampy@nursinghome.org says...



>Don't know about anybody else, but when I smoke marijuana I get a

>hard-on like you wouldn't believe, the old gals here at the nursing

>home can vouch for that. "shwing"



Well, a gal I know, who was with a few guys who had smoked the grass 

says they were all lousy in bed.  Do you really get up? Or do you 

just think you are hard?  This gal has plenty of experience and 

prefers not to sleep with someone who is stoned, no matter how good 

they might look, or how she felt before they got stoned.

By the way, the guys that did have sex with her, when they were 

stoned, all, to a man, swear it was the best they ever had.  And 

they all felt that they were tremendous lovers. She did not.



-- 

Herm

 Rev. Herm Schugard,   K3JSZ since 1959

 taurus@prolog.net   herms@voicenet.com

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1255

           Nudist since birth          





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to erect penis

From: Pickleman <wrp2@axe.humboldt.edu>

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:54:28 -0700





On 9 Sep 1996, Herm wrote:

> 

> Well, a gal I know, who was with a few guys who had smoked the grass 

> says they were all lousy in bed.  



a few guys at the same time?  What's her #?



>Do you really get up?



I can vouch for the affect mj has on me.  Schwing!  Too bad I gave all 

that stuff up as soon as I became old enough to be jailed for it.



The Pickleman



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to erect penis

From: semerson@teleport.com (Steve Emerson)

Date: 15 Sep 1996 06:04:38 GMT



Impotency is often a symptom of low dopamine.  When we

age, our serotonin/dopamine levels can fall.  Low

dopamine is also the cause of depression.  Are you depressed?

Are you stressed?  Stress (e.g. a lousy dead end job, crisis)

can drive your dopamine down.



There are lots of alternatives:



Life change

Aerobic/vigorous exercise, with competition is even better

Diet (check out the new book _Peak Performance Living_)

Any herbs which give energy/mental clarity (gotu kola/ginseng)

Fresh wheatgrass juice



Stay away from sedatives



I'll betcha you can fix it with diet and exercise

alone.  When we age, we can't cut corners as we could

10 years ago.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: MA HUANG

From: dmode@theramp.net (brandon tunget)

Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 23:27:28 GMT



I AM JUST CURIOUS, IS EPHEDRA REALLY AS DANGEROUS AS THEY SAY IT IS, BECAUSE 

I'VE HEARD SOME BAD STUFF ABOUT IT, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE FACTS ABOUT 

IT. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MA HUANG

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 19:11:04 -0700



dmode@theramp.net (brandon tunget) wrote:



>I AM JUST CURIOUS, IS EPHEDRA REALLY AS DANGEROUS AS THEY SAY IT IS, BECAUSE 

>I'VE HEARD SOME BAD STUFF ABOUT IT, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE FACTS ABOUT 

>IT. 

Brandon - 

  If you use the leaves occasionally, as a weak tea for clearing

congested lungs, it's a great plant.



   If you buy the ephedra concentrate capsules from the corner market

or the "health food" store ... the ones that claim "energizers", pop a

few of them so you can dance all weekend .. and drink ... and not

sleep ... it can be dangerous.  These mixes often contain caffiene

(guarana) and other stimulants.  Not good to totally bankrupt your

energy reserves by forcing the body to ignore exhaustion.  When you

crash, you will crash big time, and while you are "up" you can

hallucinate.  It's not a fun trip for some people ... and you can die.

That, of course, really ruins your life.

Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MA HUANG

From: Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:54:53 GMT



Long-term regular use of ma huang can also be dangerous.  It is my

understanding that the adrenal glands can become dependent on it for

stimulation, and then when you stop taking it the adrenals can be too

slow in resuming self-stimulation resulting in adrenal shut-down 

(not pretty).  This can also occur after taking very high or

concentrated doses (see below).



So occaisional respectful medicinal use is really the only proper

context for this plant.



Take it easy,



Morning Glory

-----------------------------------------------------------------

>dmode@theramp.net (brandon tunget) wrote:



>>I AM JUST CURIOUS, IS EPHEDRA REALLY AS DANGEROUS AS THEY SAY IT IS, 

>>BECAUSE I'VE HEARD SOME BAD STUFF ABOUT IT, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME 

>>THE FACTS ABOUT IT. 





callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:



>  If you use the leaves occasionally, as a weak tea for clearing

>congested lungs, it's a great plant.



>   If you buy the ephedra concentrate capsules from the corner market

>or the "health food" store ... the ones that claim "energizers", pop a

>few of them so you can dance all weekend .. and drink ... and not

>sleep ... it can be dangerous.  These mixes often contain caffiene

>(guarana) and other stimulants.  Not good to totally bankrupt your

>energy reserves by forcing the body to ignore exhaustion.  When you

>crash, you will crash big time, and while you are "up" you can

>hallucinate.  It's not a fun trip for some people ... and you can die.

>That, of course, really ruins your life.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MA HUANG

From: William Blakistone <willbl19@mail.idt.net>

Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 11:07:27 -0500



brandon tunget wrote:

> 

> I AM JUST CURIOUS, IS EPHEDRA REALLY AS DANGEROUS AS THEY SAY IT IS, BECAUSE

> I'VE HEARD SOME BAD STUFF ABOUT IT, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE FACTS ABOUT

> IT.





If you buy some ACTIFED and swallow all the tablets in the bottle, you

will have a problem.  People actually do that, which is why ephedra is

getting a bad name.  In other words, its just like anything:  too much

is not a good thing.



Regards,



William



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MA HUANG

From: awest@mail.net-connect.net (August West)

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 00:56:01 GMT



William Blakistone <willbl19@mail.idt.net> wrote:



>brandon tunget wrote:

>> 

>> I AM JUST CURIOUS, IS EPHEDRA REALLY AS DANGEROUS AS THEY SAY IT IS, BECAUSE

>> I'VE HEARD SOME BAD STUFF ABOUT IT, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE FACTS ABOUT

>> IT.





>If you buy some ACTIFED and swallow all the tablets in the bottle, you

>will have a problem.  People actually do that, which is why ephedra is

>getting a bad name.  In other words, its just like anything:  too much

>is not a good thing.



>Regards,



Also, ephedrine HCL (active contituent in ephedra) is used as a main

precursor in simple chemical recipes for METHAMPHETAMINE and

METHCATHINONE (translate into SPEED!).  The DEA and the FDA know this.

Thus the propaganda and the move to ban these otherwise ok substances.

IMHO of course.

Easy Ryan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MA HUANG

From: sljg.gerrior@UCHSC.edu (gerriors)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 23:24:26 GMT





In article <322C57BF.491@mail.idt.net>, willbl19@mail.idt.net says...

>

>brandon tunget wrote:

>> 

>> I AM JUST CURIOUS, IS EPHEDRA REALLY AS DANGEROUS AS THEY SAY IT IS, 

BECAUSE

>> I'VE HEARD SOME BAD STUFF ABOUT IT, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE 

FACTS ABOUT

>> IT.

>

>

>If you buy some ACTIFED and swallow all the tablets in the bottle, you

>will have a problem.  People actually do that, which is why ephedra is

>getting a bad name.  In other words, its just like anything:  too much

>is not a good thing.

>

>Regards,

>

>William





I say the same thing, EPHEDRIA is abused, but if you have a history of 

high blood pressure or a genetic backgroung of heart disease stay away.  

The best thing to do is to try it slowly.  I tried 1/2 tablet before 

working out with a can of coke and 2 asiprin.  The coke acts as a carrier 

and the aspirin acts to lower blood pressure.  And it freaked my system.  

my symptoms after 3 weeks of use were uncontrollable heart palipatations, 

they were rare but got me to stop taking it.  Instead I take MA HWANG (sp 

?) the natural root that EPHEDRA is copying.



Steve





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MA HUANG

From: "Karen Kay" karen@wordwrite.com

Date: 11 Sep 1996 04:04:31 GMT



gerriors (sljg.gerrior@UCHSC.edu) wrote:

: they were rare but got me to stop taking it.  Instead I take MA HWANG (sp 

: ?) the natural root that EPHEDRA is copying.



Um, Ma Huang *IS* ephedra. 









-- 

Karen

  karen@wordwrite.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MA HUANG

From: thatjoeguy@nortexinfo.net (thatjoeguy)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:53:46 GMT



"Karen Kay" karen@wordwrite.com wrote:



>gerriors (sljg.gerrior@UCHSC.edu) wrote:

>: they were rare but got me to stop taking it.  Instead I take MA HWANG (sp 

>: ?) the natural root that EPHEDRA is copying.



>Um, Ma Huang *IS* ephedra. 









>-- 

>Karen

>  karen@wordwrite.com

Hmmm, I think there is some confusion here.



Ephedra, Ma Hwang, Mormon Tea - All herbs containing EPHADRINE

Ephadrine- an herbal stimulent similar to EPHENEPHRINE

Epanephrine - another name for ADRENALINE

this was how it was explained to me by an herbalist. 

hope this helps!

Maven





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MA HUANG

From: JWell@cwo.com

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 04:46:08 GMT



thatjoeguy@nortexinfo.net (thatjoeguy) wrote these amazing words:



>"Karen Kay" karen@wordwrite.com wrote:

>>gerriors (sljg.gerrior@UCHSC.edu) wrote:

>>: they were rare but got me to stop taking it.  Instead I take MA HWANG (sp 

>>: ?) the natural root that EPHEDRA is copying.

>>Um, Ma Huang *IS* ephedra. 

>>Karen

>>  karen@wordwrite.com

>Hmmm, I think there is some confusion here.

>Ephedra, Ma Hwang, Mormon Tea - All herbs containing EPHADRINE

>Ephadrine- an herbal stimulent similar to EPHENEPHRINE

>Epanephrine - another name for ADRENALINE

>this was how it was explained to me by an herbalist. 

>hope this helps!

>Maven



No kidding! When I took a thermo genesis package from Nature's

sunshine...I got such a reaction! I thought...well, i shouldn't drink

coffe with it..so I didn't..but I still was so anxious and climbing

the walls! My heart was racing and it was awful! When I took it back,

the seller pointed out to me, where it says on the package in letters

too small to see...don't take if you are ..basically...high strung. No

kidding!







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MA HUANG

From: awest@mail.net-connect.net (August West)

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 23:13:43 GMT



JWell@cwo.com wrote:



>thatjoeguy@nortexinfo.net (thatjoeguy) wrote these amazing words:



>>"Karen Kay" karen@wordwrite.com wrote:

>>>gerriors (sljg.gerrior@UCHSC.edu) wrote:

>>>: they were rare but got me to stop taking it.  Instead I take MA HWANG (sp 

>>>: ?) the natural root that EPHEDRA is copying.

>>>Um, Ma Huang *IS* ephedra. 

>>>Karen

>>>  karen@wordwrite.com

>>Hmmm, I think there is some confusion here.

>>Ephedra, Ma Hwang, Mormon Tea - All herbs containing EPHADRINE

>>Ephadrine- an herbal stimulent similar to EPHENEPHRINE

>>Epanephrine - another name for ADRENALINE

>>this was how it was explained to me by an herbalist. 

>>hope this helps!

>>Maven



>No kidding! When I took a thermo genesis package from Nature's

>sunshine...I got such a reaction! I thought...well, i shouldn't drink

>coffe with it..so I didn't..but I still was so anxious and climbing

>the walls! My heart was racing and it was awful! When I took it back,

>the seller pointed out to me, where it says on the package in letters

>too small to see...don't take if you are ..basically...high strung. No

>kidding!



The stuff is properly spelled EPHEDRINE.  It is a moderately powerful

stimulant.  In fact, it's molecular structure is VERY SIMILAR to

methamphetamine.  (SPEED!)  When it is used in it's natural form, the

herbs also contain other alkaloids that keep the heart rate and blood

pressure down, making it a bit safer than MINI-THINS (ephedrine hcl).

Still for sensitive people, people with thyroid problems, heart

disease, high blood pressure etc, it should be avoided.  If you are

already high strung, you shouldn't need this stuff anyway.

Personally, I find it creates a "crash" that leaves me worse off than

I started.  Even in herbal form.  Hope this helps :).







August West



"Some day I'll get up and fly away..."









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gemmotherapy

From: AGFDoc <agfdoc@tntech.campus.mci.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 15:42:05 -0800



Could you please help.  I am looking for any company that produces 

gemmotherapies;  a subset of Phytotherapy -  plant macerates from new 

buds, new shoots, new bark, and roots in a glycerine base - like 

Dolisos.  However, my search is MOST specifically for a source which 

makes them according to the German Pharmacopaea which calls for fresh, 

not dried plants (as in the French Pharmacopaea)  My search is also 

for a company that produces Oligotherapie in an Injectable form - not 

tablets.  Any help would be greatly appreciated - even phone numbers 

and or/addresses no matter how remote in time or place.  Many thanks.  

1068 Canyon Creek Pl. Escondido, CA. US.92025. Tel.:(619) 747-2857, 

Fax:(619) 745-9880. E-Mail: Agfdoc@Aol.com and 

agfdoc@tntech.campus.mci.net.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Not In The Honest Herbal

From: richard.elee@internetworkMCI.com (Richard in Durham, NC)

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 23:47:32 GMT



Is anyone aware of any research that has been done on:



Astragalus



Bilberry



Cat's Claw



Tumeric









Richard Evans Lee * Books Do Furnish A Room

1809 West Markham Avenue, Durham, NC 27705-4806

(919) 286-1076 * Psychotronic BBS (919) 286-7738





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Not In The Honest Herbal

From: awest@mail.net-connect.net (August West)

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 00:50:55 GMT



richard.elee@internetworkMCI.com (Richard in Durham, NC) wrote:



>Is anyone aware of any research that has been done on:



>Astragalus

I have no info.



>Bilberry

According to Dr. Earl Mindell's book "What You Should Know About Herbs

for Your Health", 



Page 27  (printed w/o permission)



" Recent research has also indicated that bilberry extract possesses

signifigant preventative and curative anti-ulcer properties,

attributed to the strengthening of the defensive barriers of the

digestive system."



>Cat's Claw

According to the same book Dr. Mindell states that scientific research

is currently in progress on Cat's Claw but no one single ingrediant

can be attributed to what seems to be a immune system enhancer as well

as an anti-inflammatory.  In other words the whole plant works very

effectively, but they can't figure out why!



>Tumeric

No info.







>Richard Evans Lee * Books Do Furnish A Room

>1809 West Markham Avenue, Durham, NC 27705-4806

>(919) 286-1076 * Psychotronic BBS (919) 286-7738





Easy Ryan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Phen/Fen Diet

From: autumnbrz@aol.com (AutumnBrz)

Date: 2 Sep 1996 22:15:13 -0400



I have been using it for about 3 months and am very satisfied. It involves

changing your eating habits and exercising. It gets rid of the craving for

sweets and curbs your appetite.

My best friend has been on it for a year and has gone from sizee 22 to 12.

I think it is worth a try. Ask your local pharmacist what doctors are

working with patients on the Phen/Fen diet. Revco and a few other old

timers aren't. I got mine through Phar Mor and my friend got hers through

Walgreens.

Good luck



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin: what is it?

From: "Allan Smith" <aes@mgl.ca>

Date: 3 Sep 1996 04:10:12 GMT



Mike Huskey <mikehsk@chatt.mindspring.com> wrote in article

<5056i1$1o1o@mule0.mindspring.com>...

> jazzman@bnr.ca (Jazzman) wrote:

> 

> >So what is this  stuff?  What does it do to the  body?  Does

> >the body  produce it  naturally?  What claims are made about

> >its abilities? Why should one take it?

> 

> I'm not exactly sure what it is, but I've suffered so many sleepless

> nights that I've tried it. It does definately help me to sleep, but

> after a few months, I've noticed some odd twinges of pain in my eyes

> that I'm almost certain is caused by the melatonin. I've started

> taking it only when I really need it, and the odd pains seem to have

> vanished. In other words, don't over do it. Just use it when you need

> it.



I am not sure of it's exact chemical source but it is a hormone that is

produced by the penile (sp) gland that signals your body to start its sleep

cycle.  The claim is that some people do not get enough of this hormone

produced so do not get good sleep.  It is also supposed to help with shift

workers and jet lag sufferers.



That being said, here is my experiences with it.  Due to a chronic fatigue

like problem I have had for some time I was more than willing to pick some

up when I was in the States (Illegal to buy here in Canada).  I was taking

3mg 1 hour before bedtime and it definately made me sleepy in about 1/2 an

hour or so.  I could barely keep my eyes open and slept more soundly than

ever.  I found that I was still quite dopie in the morning so I started

splitting the tablets in half but after using it for a month or so, I

started to get more migrain lines/colour spots in my vision.  Never got a

full fledged migrain but some of the vision problems I have had with them,

so I stopped taking it.



On the other hand my mom has been taking it for some time now.  Suffering

from major sleep problems this stuff has given her some of her best sleep

in years and not a drugged sleep effect either.  She has experienced no

side effects to speak of.



Allan Smith

aes@mgl.ca







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin: what is it?

From: craymond@flash.net (Carole Raymond)

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 01:05:43 GMT



"Allan Smith" <aes@mgl.ca> wrote:



> I found that I was still quite dopie in the morning so I started

>splitting the tablets in half but after using it for a month or so, I

>started to get more migrain lines/colour spots in my vision.  Never got a

>full fledged migrain but some of the vision problems I have had with them,

>so I stopped taking it.



When I take the regular Melatonin in tablet form, I have headaches,

but I find that the sublingual Melatonin (the kind that dissolves

under your tongue) does not have this side effect for me.  Also, when

I take too much I have very restless sleep and weird dreams.



Carole Raymnd

craymond@flash.net







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cold Season Coming

From: boliver@Direct.CA (Bill Oliver)

Date: 3 Sep 1996 05:08:56 GMT



The kids are back to school and another season of sniffles will be

coming.We used echinacea last year and it certainly seemed to help.

Could someone advise us on the suggested amounts to be taken? I have

heard also, one should take it for 2 to 6 weeks as an immune builder.

Can someone set us straight? 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Subscription list?

From: meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY)

Date: 3 Sep 1996 07:05:43 GMT



Does anyone know if there is a medicinal herbal e-mail subscription

list?  Could you give me pointers to any web pages that would have this

information?  (Not just general web pages--I know of many of those). 



Thanks!



Meadow



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sage Tea

From: reiki <reiki@hhs.net>

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:44:43 -0400



Hi,

   could someone post for me information on the benefits and uses of sage

tea.  also, a dosage for preparation.  



thanks









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sage Tea

From: Jeanne & Gary Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 3 Sep 1996 20:00:07 GMT



reiki <reiki@hhs.net> wrote:

>Hi,

>   could someone post for me information on the benefits and uses of sage

>tea.  also, a dosage for preparation.  





Rosemary Gladstar recommends a daily cup of sage tea to minimize hot 

flashes in menopausal women.  One tablespoon sage per cup of water.  

Infuse it for twenty minutes.  Sage is a "yang", grounding herb and many 

women have found it helps relieve hot flashes.



I know it is also used to reduce the flow of breastmilk.



Peace, Jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sage Tea

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 22:16:42 -0500



In article <Pine.LNX.3.94.960903074347.10775A-100000@mailer.hhs.net>,

reiki <reiki@hhs.net> wrote:



> Hi,

>    could someone post for me information on the benefits and uses of sage

> tea.  also, a dosage for preparation.  

> 

> thanks



Sage is a stimulant, carminative,aromatic, stypic, and vulnerary. It

contains Vitamin A, vitamine C, vitamine B-complex, calcium,potassium,

phosphorus, and sulphur. leaves are the parts used. you can make a tea by

infusing 1 teaspoon dry herb or 3 teaspoon fresh herb. Boil water pour

over herb cover and let steep for 15 minutes. When cool enough you can use

as a gargle for sore throats, laryngitis, and ulcerations of the mouth. It

can be drank as a tea for digestion. The leaves are anitseptic and

antifungal. Rub a fresh leaf on your teeth its mother natures toothbrush

and whitener. Chew on a leaf for those back teeth. And we just thought

sage went in moms favorite stuffing recipe I guess not huh. Enjoy your

sage tea. By the way mixed with rosemary and apple cider vinegar it helps

with psoriasis as a hair rinse.



Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sage Tea

From: activist@clark.net (J. Rachael Hamlet or Duncan Cooper)

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 05:40:58 GMT



The lactation professionals I hang out with swear by it as a remedy for

overproduction (too much milk) or to dry up a woman who has lost her baby or

needs to wean precipitously.



Rachael Hamlet





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sage Tea

From: JWell@cwo.com

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 05:26:03 GMT



activist@clark.net (J. Rachael Hamlet or Duncan Cooper) lightly

touched ink to paper and wrote:



>The lactation professionals I hang out with swear by it as a remedy for

>overproduction (too much milk) or to dry up a woman who has lost her baby or

>needs to wean precipitously.



>Rachael Hamlet



Also..sage is great for some headaches, and good to get rid of night

sweats.



JWell

url coming soon





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Internal use of Aloe

From: algol@magitech.com ("Karl Welz")

Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 11:53:46 GMT



On Sat, 15 Jun 1996 02:23:47 -0600, boggles@io.com (Jennifer Boggess)

wrote:



>In article <4psp4o$f29@news-e2b.gnn.com>, clannad@gnn.com wrote:

>

>> What are the supposed benefits of taking Aloe internally?

>

>Here in Texas it's commonly used as a lazative.

>

>-- 

Aloe Vera juice is sold by the gallon in any health food store and

even MLM -- it supposedly rejuvenates and strengthens.  I thought I

felt positive effects whenever I drank it.  I never noticed any

laxative characteristics.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Back Pain

From: captkirk@cpcug.org (Kirk Morrison)

Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 12:53:46 GMT



 	

	What are some good herbs to add to bath water or to make a tea out of 

to help calm muscle spasms? I have tried juniper, eucalyptus, hops and one or 

two others

         I appreciate any help that anyone can give me.

            Kirk



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: "W. O'Connor" <woconnor@wwdc.com>

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 11:19:55 -0700



Kirk Morrison wrote:

> 

> 

>         What are some good herbs to add to bath water or to make a tea out of

> to help calm muscle spasms? I have tried juniper, eucalyptus, hops and one or

> two others

>          I appreciate any help that anyone can give me.

>             Kirk



Kirk:  If your back pain is made worse by mental stress, try Valerian (I 

take capsules - it's smelly stuff).  It "takes the edge off" your stress, 

and so redcues the related physical symptoms like spasms.  Also helps you 

get a good night's sleep if you take it an hour before bedtime.  I only 

take one capsule at a time to avoid feeling sedated.



-- W. O'Connor   *CANADA*



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: captkirk@cpcug.org (Kirk Morrison)

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 22:06:38 GMT



In article <322DC84B.513@wwdc.com>, "W. O'Connor" <woconnor@wwdc.com> wrote:

>Kirk Morrison wrote:

>> 

>> 

>>         What are some good herbs to add to bath water or to make a tea out 

of

>> to help calm muscle spasms? I have tried juniper, eucalyptus, hops and one 

or

>> two others

>>          I appreciate any help that anyone can give me.

>>             Kirk

>

>Kirk:  If your back pain is made worse by mental stress, try Valerian (I 

>take capsules - it's smelly stuff).  It "takes the edge off" your stress, 

>and so redcues the related physical symptoms like spasms.  Also helps you 

>get a good night's sleep if you take it an hour before bedtime.  I only 

>take one capsule at a time to avoid feeling sedated.

>

>-- W. O'Connor   *CANADA*



It is made worse from stress, weather changes, physical stress, sitting, 

standing and sleeping to long.  Nerve damage and L4-5 post op. Inflamation is 

one thing the Doc is looking at and damaged nerve sheath.  I am getting tired 

of all these strong chemicals and would like to use herbs to at least cut down 

on the heavy stuff. I have found Juniper, and Hops helped some in a bath so, I 

 appreciate the recogmendations several of you have sent me. Thanks one and 

all

Kirk

P.S. anyother suggestions will be appreciated of course.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: captkirk@cpcug.org (Kirk Morrison)

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 22:11:31 GMT



In article <322DC84B.513@wwdc.com>, "W. O'Connor" <woconnor@wwdc.com> wrote:

>Kirk Morrison wrote:

>> 

>> 

>>         What are some good herbs to add to bath water or to make a tea out 

of

>> to help calm muscle spasms? I have tried juniper, eucalyptus, hops and one 

or

>> two others

>>          I appreciate any help that anyone can give me.

>>             Kirk

>

>Kirk:  If your back pain is made worse by mental stress, try Valerian (I 

>take capsules - it's smelly stuff).  It "takes the edge off" your stress, 

>and so redcues the related physical symptoms like spasms.  Also helps you 

>get a good night's sleep if you take it an hour before bedtime.  I only 

>take one capsule at a time to avoid feeling sedated.

>

>-- W. O'Connor   *CANADA*





   Thanks, emotions, stress physical and mental make it worse as do weather 

changes, from rain to sun or sun to rain whatever the fronts get me.  Damage 

to L4 and L5 post op btw. Doc says it might be anyone of a half dozen things 

but they can't find it.....I appreciate the responses public and private. I 

will be trying them and hope they will help me cut down on the meds. Any 

further ideas will be appreciated of course.

Thankyou All

Kirk



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: gdes5@aol.com (GDeS5)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 09:30:26 -0400



You could try using Arnica Gel on you back after a bath as long as you

don't have any broken skin there. It's very good at relieving muscle 

pain, swelling and bruising. Have you tried going to a chiropactor ? If

you have spinal compression going on there, you may find more relief with

spinal adjustment along with a more natural approach. I live on the East

Coast and most medical insurance co.. will  pick up the tab for so many

treatments. Herbal approach will help you relax more which in turn will

make your back feel better but it does sound like a physcial approach will

also do you better then pumping your body up with heavy drugs. Good luck

and let us know which road you take and how it turns out.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: captkirk@cpcug.org (Kirk Morrison)

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 06:12:53 GMT



In article <51rhti$fq0@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, gdes5@aol.com (GDeS5) wrote:

>You could try using Arnica Gel on you back after a bath as long as you

>don't have any broken skin there. It's very good at relieving muscle 

>pain, swelling and bruising. Have you tried going to a chiropactor ? If

>you have spinal compression going on there, you may find more relief with

>spinal adjustment along with a more natural approach. I live on the East

>Coast and most medical insurance co.. will  pick up the tab for so many

>treatments. Herbal approach will help you relax more which in turn will

>make your back feel better but it does sound like a physcial approach will

>also do you better then pumping your body up with heavy drugs. Good luck

>and let us know which road you take and how it turns out.



Thanks been afk for a bit, I will try it. I broke my back at work, the 

chiropactor, I talked to told me, that they couldn't help, manipulation would 

be to dangerous, of course 3 wiped out disk aren't a very good starting point 

either. I have found Dead Sea Salt Ecualiptus (sp), Hops, Juniper and Rosemary 

 added to the bath helps alot if the bath is Hot, i.e. Whirlpool type hot. I 

can often skip the pain pills with a couple of soaks, the muscles relax and 

don't put as much tension on the siactic (sp) nerve. I get enough relief to 

where I not afraid of the pain pills becoming a problem, when I have to take 

them. Thanks



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:41:40 GMT





For lower back problems, and to help rebuild vertebrae, take good

multivitamin and multimineral supplements, like Twinlab Daily One plus

Now Full Spectrum Minerals.  Add horsetail, aka shavegrass, for one

month, or until the bottle is gone, if the multivitamin/mineral does

not contain silica.  Also, for three or four weeks, consume Knox

gelatin, 2 one-half ounce packets per day.



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:58:01 +0100



In article <322DC84B.513@wwdc.com>, "W. O'Connor" <woconnor@wwdc.com>

writes

>Kirk Morrison wrote:

>> 

>> 

>>         What are some good herbs to add to bath water or to make a tea out of

>> to help calm muscle spasms? I have tried juniper, eucalyptus, hops and one or

>> two others

>>          I appreciate any help that anyone can give me.

>>             Kirk

>

>Kirk:  If your back pain is made worse by mental stress, try Valerian (I 

>take capsules - it's smelly stuff).  It "takes the edge off" your stress, 

>and so redcues the related physical symptoms like spasms.  Also helps you 

>get a good night's sleep if you take it an hour before bedtime.  I only 

>take one capsule at a time to avoid feeling sedated.

>

>-- W. O'Connor   *CANADA*



Valerian root tea, will help mucles and nerves to relax, which may make

you feel sleepy, relaxation is a great sleeping pill, it also stops

those little jumping spasms . Valerian is a strong herb it can work

within 3 hours, making it one of the fastest acting preparations apart

from obviouse things like opium. It can be addictive, and no herb should

be taken on a long term basis, I have found that Valerian used for

nightime spasms of the muscles, is quite effective taken only 1 or2

nights a week.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 01:10:59 GMT



captkirk@cpcug.org (Kirk Morrison) wrote:



> 	

>	What are some good herbs to add to bath water or to make a tea out of 

>to help calm muscle spasms? I have tried juniper, eucalyptus, hops and one or 

>two others



I would more recommend taking a good multivitamin (like Twinlabs Daily

One) and good multimineral (like Now Full Spectrum Minerals) and

ensure you are getting adequate potassium (using Morton's Lite Salt is

a start).



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gout and Kidney inbalance

From: TKELLY@INTERLOG.COM (TONY KELLY)

Date: 3 Sep 1996 13:06:58 GMT



I have been diagnosed as having a uretic acid inbalance causing gout

and am looking for a proactive treatment rather than the antiinflamatory medicine p

by the doctors. I am 53 and fairly active, vegatarian and eat a low fat diet

I was cycling 6 to 10 hours per week till I got the gout.

If anybody has any experiences or methods of correcting the kidney  inbalance

I would love to hear from you.

ttfn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gout and Kidney inbalance

From: squeak6081@aol.com (Squeak6081)

Date: 3 Sep 1996 16:34:06 -0400



I have a friend who swears by cherries. He eats several a day and since

he's started his symptoms have never returned. If you're interested in

more info just write I'll get the details for you. 



He is pretty much your age.







He'e nalu no ka oi ---Squeak



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gout and Kidney inbalance

From: TKELLY@INTERLOG.COM (TONY KELLY)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 00:32:52 GMT



In article <50i4nu$3ia@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, squeak6081@aol.com (Squeak6081) says:

>

>I have a friend who swears by cherries. He eats several a day and since

>he's started his symptoms have never returned. If you're interested in

>more info just write I'll get the details for you. 

>

>He is pretty much your age.

>

Yes I would like some info as the regular medical cure is not really a cure 

but just to alliviate the symptons till the inbalance goes away.

ttfn



>

>

>He'e nalu no ka oi ---Squeak



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gout and Kidney inbalance

From: manfred@user1.channel1.com (Leon Manfredi)

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 00:22:24 GMT



squeak6081@aol.com (Squeak6081) wrote:



>I have a friend who swears by cherries. He eats several a day and since

>he's started his symptoms have never returned. If you're interested in

>more info just write I'll get the details for you. 

>



The book entitled, The Doctors book of Home Remedies, by Editors Of

PREVENTION Magazine Health Books, on the Bantam label, mentions that

also.....The only problem is that you'll need to plant cherry trees to

keep up with their cost. 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gout and Kidney inbalance

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 10 Sep 1996 16:44:20 -0400



In article <322f62ea.1132443@news1.channel1.com>,

manfred@user1.channel1.com (Leon Manfredi) writes:



>he only problem is that you'll need to plant cherry trees to

>keep up with their cost. 



How about taking black cherry extract?  That's what Linda Rector-Page has

recommended in one of her books.  



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gout and Kidney inbalance

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 96 14:54:40 GMT



In article <50hahk$4ef@news.interlog.com>,

   TKELLY@INTERLOG.COM (TONY KELLY) wrote:

>I have been diagnosed as having a uretic acid inbalance causing gout

>and am looking for a proactive treatment rather than the antiinflamatory 

medicine p

>by the doctors. I am 53 and fairly active, vegatarian and eat a low fat diet

>I was cycling 6 to 10 hours per week till I got the gout.

>If anybody has any experiences or methods of correcting the kidney  inbalance

>I would love to hear from you.

>ttfn

>

Hello,

   You can buy black cherry extract at the health food store. Fresh cherries 

are best but this is a good way to keep a steady supply as it's very 

concentrated.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Wild Yam Extract with DHEA

From: R L PUGH <"rlp@nternet.net"@nternet.net>

Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 12:06:43 -0400



I am looking for a topical cream with Wild Yam extract and DHEA.  Please 

email rlp@nternet.net if anyone can assist.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: betulinic acid

From: cfwripples@aol.com (Cfwripples)

Date: 3 Sep 1996 13:03:10 -0400



I've heard that this substance is being researched for its good effects on

tumors and certain cancers.  It is derived from the bark of the white

birch.  Have located tech.discuss. of the research, but wonder if anyone

had knowledge of what just white birch tincture or decoc. might be used

for ?  Novice at herbs, and haven't a book that talks about wh.birch bark

.  Thanks. Carol



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: betulinic acid

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (tom c.)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 21:07:03 GMT



In message <50hoce$rtc@newsbf02.news.aol.com> -

cfwripples@aol.com (Cfwripples) writes:

]

]I've heard that this substance is being researched for its good effects on

]tumors and certain cancers.  It is derived from the bark of the white

]birch.  Have located tech.discuss. of the research, but wonder if anyone

]had knowledge of what just white birch tincture or decoc. might be used

]for ?  Novice at herbs, and haven't a book that talks about wh.birch bark

]..  Thanks. Carol







Birch bark can be used for;



-making birch bark beer





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Yet another St. Johns wort question

From: a004075t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Ray Orosz)

Date: 3 Sep 1996 19:38:04 GMT



Hi,



I've recently started taking S.J.W. extract in capsule form. Mine are 250 

mg. @ 0.14% hypericin. SO FAR SO GOOD! Have experienced no sun ,sex, 

stomach, etc., problems either. Not sure if the top floor is responding 

yet, but there is something definitely happening (I think). This is along 

with a multi-vitamin and B-150 complex twice daily.



Been taking one capsule daily since last Thursday, but I'm wondering

whether I should be taking two (package says one or two capsules daily

with a meal or glass of water). Any advice?



Also, since there seems to be a lot of discussion going on about this 

herb, wouldn't it be a good idea to compare pricing?. For instance, mine 

are Solaray brand, 60 capsules for $9.48.



Will keep posting any experiences.

Regards,

Ray 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Yet another St. Johns wort question

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 08:22:51 -0400



In article <50i1es$44q@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us>,

a004075t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Ray Orosz) writes:



>I've recently started taking S.J.W. extract in capsule form. Mine are 250



>mg. @ 0.14% hypericin. SO FAR SO GOOD! Have experienced no sun ,sex, 

>stomach, etc., problems either. Not sure if the top floor is responding 

>yet, but there is something definitely happening (I think). This is along



>with a multi-vitamin and B-150 complex twice daily.

>

>Been taking one capsule daily since last Thursday, but I'm wondering

>whether I should be taking two (package says one or two capsules daily

>with a meal or glass of water). Any advice?



0.14% hypericin is a pretty weak concentration.  The medical studies in

Germany were performed using 300 mg of a 0.3% hypericin extract,

administered 3 times/day and this is the dose I take.  So you can up the

dosage to two of your capsules, 3 times/day and be right about at the

doses used in the clinical trials.  I use the Enzymatic Therapy brand

which is 60 capsules of .3% hypericin for $12.99.  Natures Plus also has

an extract which is "0.3-0.5%" standardized, which although probably

stronger, is a bit too variable for me.  



David



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ibogaine television program sept 6th

From: eboka@aol.com (Eboka)

Date: 3 Sep 1996 19:14:00 -0400



Beyond 2000 on the Discovery Channel will be showing a segment on

IBOGAINE, an experimental medication now being evaluated for its use to

treat heroin and cocaine addiction.  Ibogaine was originally discovered in

the rain forests of West Africa and has been used in traditional medicine

and religion for centuries.



The Ibogaine television segment will be shown on Friday, September 6th at

7:00 PM on BEYOND 2000  on the DISCOVERY CHANNEL.



Information on Ibogaine's history, pharmacology, chemistry, ethnography,

treatment referral and human studies can be accessed at web page

(HTTP://WWW.IBOGAINE.DESK.NL)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: rec.gardens

Subject: Re: Question about Spikenard

From: John B. Melby <melby@yk.fujitsu.co.jp>

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:26:25 GMT



>There is a passage in the New Testament of the Bible that refers to 

>a perfumed ointment that Mary Magdalene used on Jesus called Spikenard.

>Does anyone know the plant derivative of this, and if there is any-

>place where it can be ordered?



According to a dictionary, spikenard is believed to have been derived from

an East Indian plant of the valerian family, known (not surprisingly) as

spikenard.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: rec.gardens

Subject: Re: Question about Spikenard

From: rastapoo@mailhost.winnet.net (Rastapoodle)

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 20:09:13 GMT



>btarte@cris.com (Bob Tarte) wrote:

>>There is a passage in the New Testament of the Bible that refers to 

>>a perfumed ointment that Mary Magdalene used on Jesus called Spikenard.

>>Does anyone know the plant derivative of this, and if there is any-

>>place where it can be ordered?  I would like to grow it just to see

>>what it smells like.

>>

>>Please e-mail your response, and thanks so much for your help in advance.

>>

>>Linda Tarte

>>Lowell, Mich.



The spikenard of the middle east is Valeriana jatamansi, and the hairy roots are used in

perfumery.  It was the most prized of perfumery oils in ancient times.  It smells like a

mix of valerian and patchouli, but better than both. Mary Magdalene probably used

Spikenard mixed in olive oil, something to do about Jewish law. Think I'll go put some oil

on now, haven't worn it ina while.



  I don't know who carries the plant for sale, you might try Richters by emailing them

through their webpage.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Issues@catalina.org, James Charles Rau <jcrrau@primenet.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to erect malehood

From: ToughtMaster <Jabriol@cris.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:49:00 -0400



If you believe him, ya believe in the tooth fairy,

the post is probably written by some immature guy, who needs a magic

potion to find a women. I would strongly recomend suicide, since he is

unable to perpertuate the human race!





On 2 Sep 1996, James Charles Rau wrote:



> gunerf@aol.com (Gunerf) wrote:

> 

> Sir:

> 

> I'd really have to suggest that you see your doctor first. The problem

> you describe could be due to either cardio-pulmonary disease or

> diabetes.

> 

> James

> 

> >I need help.  I am 44 year old married male.  About six months ago I had a

> >problem started with my penis.  It does not get as hard and erect as it

> >used to be.

> 

> >I do not have any problem with my sperm ejection or my apetite for sex.

> 

> >If any one knows an herb cure to my problem , please send me a e-mail or

> >post a note.

> 

> >Thanks.

> 

> 

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to erect malehood

From: Linda_R._Ehrisman@snac.mv.com (Linda R. Ehrisman)

Date: 09 Sep 1996 15:48:08 GMT



On 9/3/96 at 7:49 PM, ToughtMaster wrote:



>   James Charles Rau <jcrrau@primenet.com>,Internet

>   Issues@catalina.org,Internet

> 

> If you believe him, ya believe in the tooth fairy,

> the post is probably written by some immature guy, who needs a magic

> potion to find a women. I would strongly recomend suicide, since he is

> unable to perpertuate the human race! 

> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> On 2 Sep 1996, James Charles Rau wrote: 

> > gunerf@aol.com (Gunerf) wrote:

> > 

> > Sir: 

> > I'd really have to suggest that you see your doctor first. The problem

> > you describe could be due to either cardio-pulmonary disease or

> > diabetes. 

> >     James

-----------------------------------------------------------------

> > >I need help.  I am 44 year old married male.  About six months

> ago I had a > >problem started with my penis.  It does not get as

> hard and erect as it > >used to be.

> > 

> > >I do not have any problem with my sperm ejection or my apetite for sex.

> > 

> > >If any one knows an herb cure to my problem , please send me a e-mail or

> > >post a note. 

> > >Thanks.

------------------------------------------------------------------

    Having the courage to ask for help with such a personal problem is _not_

imature.   Imaturity is attacking and demeaning someone who does.  It is

especially callous to make comments like suggesting suicide as you did.  This

problem is legitimate and affects many men and is often based on medical

problems like the effects of medication for blood pressure, not psychological

ones.  Even if it was psychological, that is a human condition too.

     Why is it that others feel the need to attack that which they don't care

to try to understand?  Do they feel threatened by it for some reason?

      Please have some tolerance and understanding.   Try to help someone

that seems to be in need.  If that help is given in good faith and the person

who needs the help is indeed playing us for a fool, than at least you know

that you tried to help.  To bite the hand that is reaching out to you is a

sign of deep personal problems.  That too needs to be understood before it

can be helped.  I know this must sound incredibly naive, but I don't care.  I

would rather err on the side of tolerance than ignorance.

                                          Linda 

  



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gout and uric acid inbalance

From: TKELLY@INTERLOG.COM (TONY KELLY)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 01:21:48 GMT



I have been diagnosed as having Gout, and I thought only old men

 who ate rich food and drank got gout, of which I am neither.

Anyway the medical "cure" is to alleviate the symptons until

the condition clears up. I would like a more proactive route like cure the prolem

ie the uric acid inbalance so I am searching for herbs or methods used

to get my kidneys to do their job and something to maintain my health.

I am 53, a vegatarian, eat a low fat diet, was cycling 6 to 10 hours per week

before this and drinking a lot of fruit juices which I have since

given up in favour of water to help the kidneys.

Any way if anybody has any experience or knowledge please pass it on the 

bloody pain is awful.

Thanks in advance

ttfn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gout and uric acid inbalance

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:55:51 +0100



In article <50iljc$1c6@news.interlog.com>, TONY KELLY

<TKELLY@INTERLOG.COM> writes

>I have been diagnosed as having Gout, and I thought only old men

> who ate rich food and drank got gout, of which I am neither.

>Anyway the medical "cure" is to alleviate the symptons until

>the condition clears up. I would like a more proactive route like cure the 

>prolem

>ie the uric acid inbalance so I am searching for herbs or methods used

>to get my kidneys to do their job and something to maintain my health.

>I am 53, a vegatarian, eat a low fat diet, was cycling 6 to 10 hours per week

>before this and drinking a lot of fruit juices which I have since

>given up in favour of water to help the kidneys.

>Any way if anybody has any experience or knowledge please pass it on the 

>bloody pain is awful.

>Thanks in advance

>ttfn

>



silver birch tea was an old favourite in my family for kidney problems

but there are lots of other herbs availabel look at a good herbal book.

in the meantime Kidney beans, Blackberry, Dandylion, white dead nettle,

Elder, Golden rod, heather, herb robert, lovage, madder, meadow sweet,

ect ect. are all known to help kidney clearance, check the herb and

method of use in a herbal.before even trying any of these, without

understanding the use and or the amount, you could be in trouble.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gout and uric acid inbalance

From: "Maria B. Frydrychowicz" <mbfryd@axess.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 16:59:09 -0700



Shez wrote:

> 

> In article <50iljc$1c6@news.interlog.com>, TONY KELLY

> <TKELLY@INTERLOG.COM> writes

> >I have been diagnosed as having Gout, and I thought only old men

> > who ate rich food and drank got gout, of which I am neither.

> >Anyway the medical "cure" is to alleviate the symptons until

> >the condition clears up. I would like a more proactive route like cure the

> >prolem

> >ie the uric acid inbalance so I am searching for herbs or methods used

> >to get my kidneys to do their job and something to maintain my health.

> >I am 53, a vegatarian, eat a low fat diet, was cycling 6 to 10 hours per week

> >before this and drinking a lot of fruit juices which I have since

> >given up in favour of water to help the kidneys.

> >Any way if anybody has any experience or knowledge please pass it on the

> >bloody pain is awful.

> >Thanks in advance

> >ttfn

> >

> 

> silver birch tea was an old favourite in my family for kidney problems

> but there are lots of other herbs availabel look at a good herbal book.

> in the meantime Kidney beans, Blackberry, Dandylion, white dead nettle,

> Elder, Golden rod, heather, herb robert, lovage, madder, meadow sweet,

> ect ect. are all known to help kidney clearance, check the herb and

> method of use in a herbal.before even trying any of these, without

> understanding the use and or the amount, you could be in trouble.

> --

> Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

> The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

I am impressed very much with achievements of Chinese herbalists who

experienced their treatments throught millenias. For the gout and

general bladder and urinary problems I would recommend Sunrider's herbal

formulas,such as NuPlus, Calli Tea,and Suncare. Their formulas are based

on Chinese tradition and they contain herbs not always used in Western

countries.You may also try single herbs such as, Alisma Root (Rhizoma

Alismatis) and Golden Seal Root (Hydrastis canadensis).

To learn more about Chinese Phylosophy of Body Regeneration and

Sunrider's herbal products visit my site:

http://www.axess.com/users/mbfryd 

or write to me: sunmar@axess.com

Maria



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: laseria moxici:  any information?

From: geralds@iafrica.com (A White Chemist)

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 04:40:06



I am looking for information on LASERIA MOXICI



gerald



em: geralds@iafrica.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Clipart

From: rweberbike@aol.com (RWeberbike)

Date: 3 Sep 1996 23:09:52 -0400



I am a third grade teacher and my class does a unit on herbs.  We study

them, write about them, draw them, and grow them.  Ultimately, we sell the

ones we've grown and the money goes to feeding the homeless of our

community.

Can you give me any help with information dealing with herbs in general?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Clipart

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 18:13:48 GMT



On 3 Sep 1996 23:09:52 -0400, in alt.folklore.herbs rweberbike@aol.com

(RWeberbike) wrote:



>I am a third grade teacher and my class does a unit on herbs.  We study

>them, write about them, draw them, and grow them.  Ultimately, we sell the

>ones we've grown and the money goes to feeding the homeless of our

>community.

>Can you give me any help with information dealing with herbs in general?



Are your herbs culinary or medicinal?

There's lots of books for both. Ther'e's also the herbfaqs, for both.



Then there's the web; start with my 'links I like' page, or with algy's

homepage, and take lots of snacks - you're gonna be online for a while.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Alternatives to Prozac

From: dberch19@sojourn.com (Doug Berch)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 03:35:48 GMT



I have never tried prozac, but I have found gaia's photo proz supreme very

helpful during some difficult times. The formula tastes like it has a lot

of kava, wich I have also found very helpful, but the gaia product is

combined with saint johns wort, passion flower, wild oat, and some other

herbs, and it seems to make a difference.



I'd also suggest flower essences and getting your pulses taken and herbs

prescribed by a knowledgable Chinese herbalist.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Obesity...

From: grabec@aol.com (GraBec)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 00:31:49 -0400



I started out with the two new diet drugs, which aren't really new but are

coming under new recognition, phentermine and Fenfleuramine. That is what

I lost the 55 pounds on. Now, I still take these drugs two to four times

per week but I supplement them with diet products from health food stores

that contain Ephedra, Kava Kava, Gouta Kola(sp?), caffeine, etc. Hope this

helps and it probably won't work for everyone it is just what has worked

for me to date. Obesity is a horrible problem in some of us and it seems

to me to take some serious drugs (legal) to combat the problem.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Witch Hazel

From: jlb

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 06:25:51 GMT





Well it is probably the best natural astringent that you can buy, we

are using a shampoo "Hazelessence" which gives hair a real shine.



We mostly use it for make up removal and as a general skin cleanser.

but it is great as a first application for burns and bruises.

My wife used it on a burn from the iron and it didnt even blister, 

oh sure it was sore but probably not as bad as it would have been.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Validation of herbs

From: MPACORD@gnn.com (MICHAEL ACORD)

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 13:20:48



I remember hearing some time ago that there would soon be available some 

monographs (I believe from Germany) translated into English, which gave the 

scientific verification of the efficacy of herbs.  As a physician, I am 

interested in these, if available.  Any assistance would be appreciated.

	Thanx in advance.

Michael P. Acord

mpacord @gnn.com

macord@kpscal.org





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Validation of herbs

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 18:15:12 GMT



On Wed, 04 Sep 1996 13:20:48, in alt.folklore.herbs MPACORD@gnn.com (MICHAEL

ACORD) wrote:



>I remember hearing some time ago that there would soon be available some 

>monographs (I believe from Germany) translated into English, which gave the 

>scientific verification of the efficacy of herbs.  As a physician, I am 

>interested in these, if available.  Any assistance would be appreciated.



That's the E/S/C/O/P monographs. Search on the web for that combination of

characters and you'll get a pretty good picture of the expense of the things.

The worth of them? I'm not the right person to ask. I like -plants- not

chemicals.



Henriette						mailed and posted



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Validation of herbs

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 6 Sep 1996 10:14:28 -0400



In article <50koft$q5f@news-e2b.gnn.com>, MPACORD@gnn.com (MICHAEL ACORD)

writes:



>some monographs (I believe from Germany) translated into English, which

gave the 

>scientific verification of the efficacy of herbs.



The German Commission E Monographs will be published (in English!) by the

American Botanical Council.  We were supposed to be getting our copies

this month, although I haven't seen them yet.  There will be 410

monographs covering 324 herbs with an index of approved uses, index of

contraindications, and index of side effects. List price is $189.



My understanding is that the Commission E evaluates and approves the

scientific literature concerning herbs and these monographs are then

published in the German Federal Gazette.  A similiar commission exists for

homeopathy, the Commission D, which is extensively quoted in Hans-Heinrich

Reckeweg's Materia Medica (which also explained the commissions in the

foreword -- hence my knowledge).



For far less expensive books on herbal medicine that draw heavily on

current scientific literature, try "Healing Power of Herbs" by Michael

Murray or "Herbal Prescriptions for Better Health" by Donald Brown.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pesticides in Bee Pollen Granules ?????

From: root@TeamInfinity.com (root)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 09:46:02 -0400





Started using Bee Pollen Granules from Enrich International.  Cant complain

but my concern is what is the chemical composition of Bee Pollen Granules, 

without pesticides and if there are laced with pesticides that the bees pick

up while collecting pollen what is the chemical composition then ?



What is the verdict on Bee Pollen Granules in general ?   Are there two

different schools of thought, where do they disagree and where do they agree

?





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Energy

From: Steve <jaws@escape.ca>

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 07:06:16 -0700



Does anyone know of any herbs that restore or give you alittle energy

boost.



Steve



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Energy

From: craymond@flash.net (Carole Raymond)

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 22:24:19 GMT



Steve <jaws@escape.ca> wrote:



>Does anyone know of any herbs that restore or give you alittle energy

>boost.



>Steve



I was looking for the same thing.  After some discussions and

research, I was suspicious that perhaps I was slightly depressed and

decided to try St John's Wort.  I have only been taking one capsule

every other day and I've noticed a big difference in my energy level.



You might also try B vitamins.



Carole





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Energy

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 20:56:05 -0500



Steve wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know of any herbs that restore or give you alittle energy

> boost.

> 

> SteveI use ginseng on a two month on, 3 week off program. I grow my own, 

make tea from the dried leaves for the winter and eat a slice of fresh 

root or red berries in season. Sometimes I pick a small fresh leaf in 

the summer. I feel it gives me overall vigor. I grow my own so I know 

I'm getting the real thing. Goldenseal is also known to fight infections 

and give overall health.



Consult a recipe for your dosage if your are interested or check the 

local library for some books.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need energy Boost

From: Steve <jaws@escape.ca>

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 07:18:38 -0700



Can anyone help me?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Arnica

From: baocd@farmasi.uio.no

Date: 4 Sep 1996 16:27:52 GMT



Hi,



   I'm working in a project about arnica. So I was wondering if someone

could send me some information on arnica. 

 Thanks a lot



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: request for info on goldenseal & echinachea

From: Bernard@greenwich.com

Date: 4 Sep 1996 16:35:28 GMT



Hi, I was wondering if someone could tell me if goldenseal and echinacea tincture are 

considered safe for giving to a 23 month old, and in what quantities.  Appreciate a reply

to Bernard@greenwich.com.



Thanks,

Bernard Devin

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for immune system

From: Rui Soares <bsoares@cc.fc.ul.pt>

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:43:25 +0100



 

I'd like to take something that could increase the strength of my immune 

system. Anyone knows any herb (besides Echinacea) or combination of herbs 

that have proved that can do that?  



My problem is the next: When the summer goes away, and the cold days 

start to come, every year i have the same problem, i start to have 

flu-like symptoms weak after weak for the rest of the winter and spring.

Oftenly i used to have problems with my tonsils too.

I feel that is not natural because it doesn't happens to the other people 

that i know. 

When i go to the doctor it just prescribes antibiotics, that just solves 

the problem with the tonsils for 2-3 weaks.



Other thing that makes me think that i have a week immune system is the 

fact that i have recurrent labial herpes many times round the year and 

that only happens in people in this condition.



I've tried Echinacea but it just seems to work in the first times.



If anyone has a possible solution for my problem please answer me.

I would be very thankful.



Rui Soares







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for immune system

From: Kavosh Soltani <kavosh@mnsinc.com>

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:54:11 -0400 (EDT)



On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Rui Soares wrote:



>  

> I'd like to take something that could increase the strength of my immune 

> system. Anyone knows any herb (besides Echinacea) or combination of herbs 

> that have proved that can do that?  



Very unscientific solution:



	Increase your intake of Onions and Garlic

	Drink green tea a few times a week.



		(This seemed to work for me!)



Check with your doctor, if you like! :-)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for immune system

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:57:02 +0100



In article <Pine.SCO.3.91.960904165327.20757A-

100000@student.cc.fc.ul.pt>, Rui Soares <bsoares@cc.fc.ul.pt> writes

> 

>I'd like to take something that could increase the strength of my immune 

>system. Anyone knows any herb (besides Echinacea) or combination of herbs 

>that have proved that can do that?  

>

>My problem is the next: When the summer goes away, and the cold days 

>start to come, every year i have the same problem, i start to have 

>flu-like symptoms weak after weak for the rest of the winter and spring.

>Oftenly i used to have problems with my tonsils too.

>I feel that is not natural because it doesn't happens to the other people 

>that i know. 

>When i go to the doctor it just prescribes antibiotics, that just solves 

>the problem with the tonsils for 2-3 weaks.

>

>Other thing that makes me think that i have a week immune system is the 

>fact that i have recurrent labial herpes many times round the year and 

>that only happens in people in this condition.

>

>I've tried Echinacea but it just seems to work in the first times.

>

>If anyone has a possible solution for my problem please answer me.

>I would be very thankful.

>

>Rui Soares

>

>



For long Term use and should be started in Autumn, Brewers yeast, and

Kelp. both can be bought in tablet form, the yeast may give you a

problem with wind for a while, but if it douse you know that you realy

needed the B vitamins that Yeast supplies, Lack of Sunlight may also

affect your system badly. D vitamins could be usefull, or simply go out

into the sun and soak it up, even in winter if you leave enough skin

uncovered, about 15 inches including your face. it takes only 15min a

day. and of course much less in summer.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for immune system

From: JWell@cwo.com

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 05:28:39 GMT



Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk> lovingly lightly touched ink to paper

and wrote:



>In article <Pine.SCO.3.91.960904165327.20757A-

>100000@student.cc.fc.ul.pt>, Rui Soares <bsoares@cc.fc.ul.pt> writes

>> 

>For long Term use and should be started in Autumn, Brewers yeast, and

>Kelp. both can be bought in tablet form, the yeast may give you a

>problem with wind for a while, but if it douse you know that you realy

>needed the B vitamins that Yeast supplies, Lack of Sunlight may also

>affect your system badly. D vitamins could be usefull, or simply go out

>into the sun and soak it up, even in winter if you leave enough skin

>uncovered, about 15 inches including your face. it takes only 15min a

>day. and of course much less in summer.

>-- 

>Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

>The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

>------------------------------------------------------------------



The problem with brewers' yeast...is that yeast of any form..for some

ppl can be harmful...if you need B vits...molasses has alot...(so,

learn to like it! <g>)



Janine

url coming soon





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for immune system

From: JWell@cwo.com

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 05:25:38 GMT



Rui Soares <bsoares@cc.fc.ul.pt> lovingly lightly touched ink to paper

and wrote:



> 

>I'd like to take something that could increase the strength of my immune 

>system. Anyone knows any herb (besides Echinacea) or combination of herbs 

>that have proved that can do that?  

My problem is the next: When the summer goes away, and the cold days 

>start to come, every year i have the same problem, i start to have 

>flu-like symptoms weak after weak for the rest of the winter and spring.

>Oftenly i used to have problems with my tonsils too.

>I feel that is not natural because it doesn't happens to the other people 

>that i know.  >When i go to the doctor it just prescribes antibiotics, that just solves 

>the problem with the tonsils for 2-3 weaks.

Echinacea along with Goldenseal is not to be used all the time...it is

for a few shots..as it were.  



For the bronchial/flu type of symptoms..I have used extracts of

mullein, thyme, and plantain. Whereas I used to get that every

year...now I don't...the last two bouts I had were...1992 for 3

days..and 1996 for 5 days.  Garlic is good for infections and a

general cleaner..I love garlic and what it can and does, do.

stay off MILK! it only makes your body have mucous. Stay off it..it is

NOT healthy to drink it..for anyone over the age of 3.



Immune system helpers are Reishi mushrooms...garlic...and right now I

can't remember all the other ones..and I'm too lazy to go look it

up...so...hope this helps from me..for now. I'm sure others will tell

you other herbs also...



isn't this great that we all share??? I love it!



Janine







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for immune system

From: Darren Lindberg <darrenl@sk.sympatico.ca>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:57:12 -0700



gerriors wrote:

> 

> In article

> <Pine.SCO.3.91.960904165327.20757A-100000@student.cc.fc.ul.pt>,

> bsoares@cc.fc.ul.pt says...

> >

> >

> >I'd like to take something that could increase the strength of my immune

> >system. Anyone knows any herb (besides Echinacea) or combination of

> herbs

> >that have proved that can do that?

> >

> >My problem is the next: When the summer goes away, and the cold days

> >start to come, every year i have the same problem, i start to have

> >flu-like symptoms weak after weak for the rest of the winter and spring.

> >Oftenly i used to have problems with my tonsils too.

> >I feel that is not natural because it doesn't happens to the other

> people

> >that i know.

> >When i go to the doctor it just prescribes antibiotics, that just solves

> >the problem with the tonsils for 2-3 weaks.

> >

> >Other thing that makes me think that i have a week immune system is the

> >fact that i have recurrent labial herpes many times round the year and

> >that only happens in people in this condition.

> >

> >I've tried Echinacea but it just seems to work in the first times.

> >

> >If anyone has a possible solution for my problem please answer me.

> >I would be very thankful.

> >

> >Rui Soares



> >Yes, I take Echinacea as well, but in a blend with Astragalus.  I also found a report on the net which was produced by medical docters who 

specialize in natural healing.  They highly recommended both these 

substances for building or "stimulating" the immune system as they said 

it.  However, the product was to be taken in a random fashion, not 

continuously for months.  The maximum was 3 weeks straight, but most 

recommended was take it for 3 to 5 days  then take a couple off.  The 

product which blends these two powerful immune fighters is made by 

Nutrilite, which is owned by Amway Corporation and whom also distributes 

the product.



Darren Lindberg

> >

> Yes, try taking GAMMAOLING the moment you get the symptoms.  I have the

> exact same problem.   Also I get on a anti-histamine to stop the post

> nasal drip which leads to a sore throat. Goldenseal with Ech.  Also I

> do 1000mg of vitamin C ( non ascorbic acid source to keep kidney stones

> from forming.)

> STEVE



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for immune system

From: EllieBean@msn.com (Ellie Walsh)

Date: 17 Sep 96 15:44:21 -0700



Sounds to me like you might have sinus troubles.  I had same symptoms 

and it was my sinuses.  I take Echinace and 

Gildenseal....BUT......most important I found is Pycnogenols and Bee 

Pollen.

To many antibiotics can eventually do more harm than good!  Make sure 

you take vitamins and EXTRA B and EXTRA C.  I hope you this helps.  

All my symptoms are mostly gone except and occassional flair-up

GoodLuck......ELlie



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: New Herb Program on CD-ROM

From: drweed@1stnet.net (Duane Weed, DC)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 21:02:45 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.dreams.lucid,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Salvia Divinorum

From: Will White <will.white@asu.edu>

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 15:58:37 -0700



Does anyone know about Salvia Divinorum, a plant native to Mexico 

reputed to be useful in inducing lucid dreaming? Does it work? Is it 

available in the US? Is it safe?



--Will



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: rec.drugs.smart,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ashwaganda

From: rreid@earth.execpc.com (Rodney Reid)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 23:53:04 GMT



Lazy (greger.gimseus@enkoping.mail.telia.com) wrote:

: I was just woundering if Ashwaganda really works,contents etc..

: I bought a bottle of Ashwaganda extract and I didn't notice anything

: special about it.



: 	Lazy





	Ashwaganda (winter cherry) root has been described as

Ayurvedic's answer to Ginseng.    It's supposed to increase Pitta, which

is why it's traditionally used in india for people who are "old and

forgetful" (is forgetfulness considered an inbalance of Vata over Pitta?)

 

Richter's Herb Catalogue '96 says (something like)* this:



"primary Ayurvedic strengthening tonic; used for general weakness,

rheumatism, impotence, "weakness of the mind", insomnia, infertility" 

(wow, this stuff is good!).   



The ...of the jungle catalog where I bought mine (dried powder- made

an alcohol extract from that) said the same things.   Another source

says it's the best rejuvenative herb, esp. for people with Vata

constitutions.   It also says (in addition to the above stuff) it can be

used externally on wounds, sores to makethingsbetterfaster.  Never touched

the stuff yet, so MMMV.



	...Rodney



note*  -- does anyone know where I can get a comprehensive reference on

copyrights and the internet?  newsgroup? anyone?   



crossposted to alt.folklore.herbs - you'll probably get a better answer

there.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: night vision

From: Daphne M Norton <dmnorton@casbah.acns.nwu.edu>

Date: 5 Sep 1996 01:06:33 GMT



I read that bilberry extract can enhance night vision?

Does anyone know if this is true?  Any other herbal aids

for night vision?



Thanks!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: night vision

From: ddoolan@capital.net (Denise Doolan)

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 01:15:02 GMT



Daphne M Norton <dmnorton@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> wrote:



>I read that bilberry extract can enhance night vision?

>Does anyone know if this is true?  Any other herbal aids

>for night vision?



>Thanks!



Daphne,



A few weeks ago I posted pretty much the same question - the thread is

"Bilberry" if you can search past posts.



Overall, got a positive response and a nice first-hand account of

bilberry being effective. I hope it works, I'm sick of spending a

fortune at the eye-doctor!



Denise





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: night vision

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:58:36 +0100



In article <50l92p$fjd@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Daphne M Norton

<dmnorton@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> writes

>I read that bilberry extract can enhance night vision?

>Does anyone know if this is true?  Any other herbal aids

>for night vision?

>

>Thanks!



Carrots, is a well known aid to night vision

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Autism - 3 yr old boy needs alt med to fight it

From: WUEP86A@prodigy.com (Bob Knightly)

Date: 5 Sep 1996 01:30:39 GMT



Hi, my name is Rachael.  



I am a mom of a loving , cudly, laughing, beautiful little boy.  He is in 

a therapy program right now which is behavior modification.  He does not 

have alot of speech, but if I say "does Bobby want a sucker", he goes 

directly to the cabinet that has the suckers.  I put things in different 

places to see if he remembers things, and he does.  But, like I said, 

there is just not alot of speech.  How can I help my son.  What can I 

give him to help produce speech.  Please help.  My resources are running 

out, and I so desperately want to help my baby!!



THANKS so much for any input anyone can give me!!



Sincerely, Rachael

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Bob Knightly <WUEP86A@prodigy.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Autism - 3 yr old boy needs alt med to fight it

From: Jeffrey Brown <jlbrown@top.monad.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 12:24:50 +0000



Bob Knightly wrote:

> 

> Hi, my name is Rachael.

> 

> I am a mom of a loving , cudly, laughing, beautiful little boy.  He is in

> a therapy program right now which is behavior modification.  He does not

> have alot of speech, but if I say "does Bobby want a sucker", he goes

> directly to the cabinet that has the suckers.  I put things in different

> places to see if he remembers things, and he does.  But, like I said,

> there is just not alot of speech.  How can I help my son.  What can I

> give him to help produce speech.  Please help.  My resources are running

> out, and I so desperately want to help my baby!!

> 

> THANKS so much for any input anyone can give me!!

> 

> Sincerely, Rachael



Rachael,

You should post this to the newsgroup: bit.listserv.autism



I use DMG.  My son takes 2 (125 mg) tablets each morning.  Alot of us 

have had good results with this in helping our kid's speech.  One of our 

autism list members sells it, if you can't find it at a health food 

store.



Chris



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Autism - 3 yr old boy needs alt med to fight it

From: sromaro@vale.faroc.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 08:28:12 GMT



WUEP86A@prodigy.com (Bob Knightly) wrote:



>Hi, my name is Rachael.  



>I am a mom of a loving , cudly, laughing, beautiful little boy.  He is in 

>a therapy program right now which is behavior modification.  He does not 

>have alot of speech, but if I say "does Bobby want a sucker", he goes 

>directly to the cabinet that has the suckers.  I put things in different 

>places to see if he remembers things, and he does.  But, like I said, 

>there is just not alot of speech.  How can I help my son.  What can I 

>give him to help produce speech.  Please help.  My resources are running 

>out, and I so desperately want to help my baby!!



>THANKS so much for any input anyone can give me!!



>Sincerely, Rachael

> 



hi rachael,



you  could try homoeopathy, i have heard some good reports about the

success with autism and other "incurable" disorders... 

hang in there, i feel for you, and wish you success.



love ashryn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Echinacea processing

From: bill@inforamp.net (Bill Allen)

Date: 5 Sep 1996 01:37:28 GMT



Hi All: 

 Does anybody know how to process Echincea and how much you need? Any

advice would be appreciated.

				Bill





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info on St. John's Wort? (Also guarana)

From: goodbar@goodnet.com (Dean&Cathy)

Date: 5 Sep 1996 01:48:56 GMT



I would be interested in obtaining information relative to St. John's Wort.  I 

have heard that is has been successfully used to treat minor depression.  Does 

it also help with fatigue and listlessness?  Are there any known side effects?

Also, is guarana indicated for depression?  Is taking guarana safe to increase 

energy levels?



Thanks,

Cathy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Info on St. John's Wort? (Also guarana)

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 19:48:08 -0700



goodbar@goodnet.com (Dean&Cathy) wrote:



>I would be interested in obtaining information relative to St. John's Wort.  I 

>have heard that is has been successfully used to treat minor depression.  Does 

>it also help with fatigue and listlessness?  Are there any known side effects?

>Also, is guarana indicated for depression?  Is taking guarana safe to increase 

>energy levels?



Cathy - 

  Guarana = caffiene ... it can increase energy only as long as you

have some reserves.  Taking it without fixing the real problem becomes

like beating a dead horse: doesn't work, and you will crash really

bad.  It's a short-term booster for healthy persons, but not a cure

for lack of energy.



  SJW is used for mild depression ... of which fatigue and

listlessness can be symptoms.  

Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Info on St. John's Wort? (Also guarana)

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 6 Sep 1996 15:28:59 -0400



In article <50lbi8$13hu@news.goodnet.com>, goodbar@goodnet.com

(Dean&Cathy) writes:



>I would be interested in obtaining information relative to St. John's

Wort.

>I 

>have heard that is has been successfully used to treat minor depression.

>Does 

>it also help with fatigue and listlessness?  Are there any known side

>effects?

>Also, is guarana indicated for depression?  Is taking guarana safe to

>increase 

>energy levels?



Guarana just contains caffeine and is no more useful towards treating

depression than coffee.



St. John's Wort has been used successfully in numerous clinical trials in

Europe to treat mild to moderate depression.  It has virtually no side

effects which is a huge advantage over prescription antidepressants. 

Dosage is 300 mg of an extract standardized to 0.3% hypericin content, 3

times per day.  You should be able to find it in your local health food

store.  Be sure it's standardized, though!



David



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: sheep sorrell source needed

From: FLET51A@prodigy.com (Darrell Wilson)

Date: 5 Sep 1996 02:52:56 GMT



can any one help me locate a trustworthy source of sheep sorrell.For some 

reason this herb is not to be found in my area.I have found this herb as 

an part of essiac tea but this does not help as it is the herb itself I 

am seeking not the "total package".

    thanks in advance.  Darrell





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sheep sorrell source needed

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 6 Sep 1996 10:01:11 -0400



In article <50lfa8$po4@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>, FLET51A@prodigy.com

(Darrell Wilson) writes:



>can any one help me locate a trustworthy source of sheep sorrell.



Try Michelle at Ojwiba Tea of Life.  She does do the combination, but

she's also been willing to sell single herbs in the past.  She can be

reached at:

(303) 322-7930.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA 98119

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sheep sorrell source needed

From: drgonmarsh@aol.com (DRGONMARSH)

Date: 15 Sep 1996 23:34:16 -0400



Sheep Sorrel and all other ingredients of the essiac formula are available

at

DragonMarsh

3737 6th. St.

Riverside Ca, 92501

(909) 276-1116

They also sell premixed formula..E



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preparing poke root tinture

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 4 Sep 1996 23:39:15 -0400



In article <Dx7ww4.HIK@rci.ripco.com>, Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

writes:



>Susuan Weed discusses it in her book _Wise Woman Herbal for The

>Childbearing Year_ in relation to mastitis (breast infection while

>nursing).  She doesn't specify anything special in the preparation

>other than using *fresh* root.



In her book on breast cancer, Weed mentions that it can leave a rash on

sensitive skin, and is probably too strong for regular preventative care

(use it until the cyst disappears).  The book is "Breast Cancer? Breast

Health",  published by Ash Tree.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Questions about "recommended dosage"

From: tgreyzck@ix.netcom.com (G-Man)

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 03:44:04 GMT



I have two questions about the recommended dosage of herbs found in

books, on product labels, and so on:



Q1:  Should I adjust the dosage for body weight?



Q2:  If I find contradictory dosage recommendations, which do I use?



  Example:  

       Hebal Harvest Cat's Claw 300 mg capsules says to take

       1-3 capsules daily on an empty stomach.



       Nature's Way Cat's Claw 540 mg capsules says to take 2-3 

       capsules three times daily with water at mealtimes.



   Not only are they recommending different dosages, they 

   contradict each other on when to take it!  I'm confused...



Thanks -







--

G-Man



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Questions about "recommended dosage"

From: bidinotto.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (vipor)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:03:58 GMT



In article <322e4a9d.18777510@nntp.ix.netcom.com> tgreyzck@ix.netcom.com (G-Man) writes:



>I have two questions about the recommended dosage of herbs found in

>books, on product labels, and so on:



>Q1:  Should I adjust the dosage for body weight?



>Q2:  If I find contradictory dosage recommendations, which do I use?



>  Example:  

>       Hebal Harvest Cat's Claw 300 mg capsules says to take

>       1-3 capsules daily on an empty stomach.



>       Nature's Way Cat's Claw 540 mg capsules says to take 2-3 

>       capsules three times daily with water at mealtimes.



>   Not only are they recommending different dosages, they 

>   contradict each other on when to take it!  I'm confused...



>Thanks -







>--

>G-Man





G-Man,



First, the differences in dosage are probably due to the source of the cat's 

claw and concentration.  It is not uncommon to see different dosages based on 

the source.  Second, you should adjust for body weight if you are over or 

under your ideal body weight by 120%.  You also must look at the drug itself 

and its characteristics, such as its distribution, lipid soluability, etc....



Remember one thing.  Some herbs can be used medicinally, but some makers have 

very little herbal extract in the formula.  Herbal companies are not regulated 

like regular medicine.  So it is impossible to know the efficacy or safety of 

the herbal product.  I would be very careful.



vipor



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Questions about "recommended dosage"

From: JWell@cwo.com

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 04:54:56 GMT



bidinotto.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (vipor) wrote these amazing

words:



>>Remember one thing.  Some herbs can be used medicinally, but some makers have 

>very little herbal extract in the formula.  Herbal companies are not regulated 

>like regular medicine.  So it is impossible to know the efficacy or safety of 

>the herbal product.  I would be very careful.

>vipor





No, that is not entirely true. Herbal companies belong to a group, and

since I am not a company such as they, I don't know the name of it.

Most companies these days are producing herbs that are herbs and not

fillers. Else they wouldn't be able to stay on the market. One such

company, gives assays of the herbs if you request them, and

oftentimes, they send them out in their literature.  Their

herbals..both extracts and capsules are excellent, it is NOW brand.

Which you can find in any health food store.  There are

standardizations. Thank God, that the FDA is not regulating herbs..or

it would be disastrous! Look at what they have lined their pockets

with, at our expense.



J





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Questions about "recommended dosage"

From: wolf <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 23:35:36 -0700



JWell@cwo.com wrote:

> 

> bidinotto.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (vipor) wrote these amazing

> words:

> 

> >>Remember one thing.  Some herbs can be used medicinally, but some makers have

> >very little herbal extract in the formula. 

> 

> No, that is not entirely true. Herbal companies belong to a group, and

> since I am not a company such as they, I don't know the name of it.



The organisations most producers belong to are trade organisations which

mainly look after the interests of the members (manufacturers). There

are no standards and it is "caveat emptor". Many companies will send

their spectrum analysis, some don't. Ask the seller, probably a

healthfood store, if other people have used this particular brand

successfully. Beware of promotions to the health food stores. Ask frank

questions and you may get frank answers.

The FDA should stay out of the herbal business. It has been going for

thousands, if not hundredthousands of years .... and herbal users are in

general better informed consumers than the patients following blindly

the orders of their allopathic doctors. ... and less people (if any) die

from the use of herbal products than from medications officially

approved and sold in drugstores.

Wolf

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http://www.jens.com/business/wolfgang/ - Create a great day !

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Questions about "recommended dosage"

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 13 Sep 1996 21:07:50 -0400



In article <323900B8.3C6F@awinc.com>, wolf <wschmidt@awinc.com> writes:



>The organisations most producers belong to are trade organisations which

>mainly look after the interests of the members (manufacturers). There

>are no standards and it is "caveat emptor".



True, but the trade organizations are aware that if they don't

self-regulate, they will be regulated by outside agencies.  So I've been

seeing more attempts on the part of the manufacturers to verify their

claims, set minimum potency standards, and address many of these issues. 

I've been told that they may adopt the Commission E monographs as

standards for their health claims.



As for asking the staff in health food stores about the products, it's

going to depend on who you ask.  Try to find somebody that has been in the

business for awhile.  I often ask which brands that they have at home!



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Questions about "recommended dosage"

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:04:53 +0100



In article <bidinotto.1.41.3236C6CE@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>, vipor

<bidinotto.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> writes

>In article <322e4a9d.18777510@nntp.ix.netcom.com> tgreyzck@ix.netcom.com (G-Man) 

>writes:

>

>>I have two questions about the recommended dosage of herbs found in

>>books, on product labels, and so on:

>

>>Q1:  Should I adjust the dosage for body weight?

>

>>Q2:  If I find contradictory dosage recommendations, which do I use?

>

>>  Example:  

>>       Hebal Harvest Cat's Claw 300 mg capsules says to take

>>       1-3 capsules daily on an empty stomach.

>

>>       Nature's Way Cat's Claw 540 mg capsules says to take 2-3 

>>       capsules three times daily with water at mealtimes.

>

>>   Not only are they recommending different dosages, they 

>>   contradict each other on when to take it!  I'm confused...

>

>>Thanks -

>

>

>

>>--

>>G-Man

>

>

>G-Man,

>

>First, the differences in dosage are probably due to the source of the cat's 

>claw and concentration.  It is not uncommon to see different dosages based on 

>the source.  Second, you should adjust for body weight if you are over or 

>under your ideal body weight by 120%.  You also must look at the drug itself 

>and its characteristics, such as its distribution, lipid soluability, etc....

>

>Remember one thing.  Some herbs can be used medicinally, but some makers have 

>very little herbal extract in the formula.  Herbal companies are not regulated 

>like regular medicine.  So it is impossible to know the efficacy or safety of 

>the herbal product.  I would be very careful.

>

>vipor



It is always best to start with the lowest dosage possible in any herb

or herbal extract or tablet. many people react to even low dosages, if

you find no reaction up the dosage a little and so and so on. but only

to the recommended dose, if its still not working forget it.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Magical Herbalism

From: "csb" <csbuchanan@rtilink.com>

Date: 5 Sep 1996 03:58:56 GMT



All this talk of herbs and I do use them for medicinal problems (ie, used a

tea of valerium, echinacea and chamomile for an ear infection, to drink -

worked fine for pain and antibiotic) but no one here wants to talk about

the magical / spiritual side of herbs.  Like angelica, mandrake and

frankincense as herbs that repell evil.  For you Christians out there, 

three gift were give by the Magi (root of magic or spiritual magicians,

wise men and astronomers/astrologers ( a star in the...);  Frankincense to

clear all evil presences (still burned in some churches as sacred incense, 

Myrrh to aid in spirituality and awareness of spirit, and gold the

treasures of the earth.  The Gods made herbs for healing of the mind,

Spirit and the body.  And what a blessing was bestowed on us all of every

race, creed and religion.   





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 5 Sep 1996 05:56:02 -0700



"csb" <csbuchanan@rtilink.com> wrote:

>no one here wants to talk about

>the magical / spiritual side of herbs.  



The usage varies with the religion, for one, and most of those

discussions are taking place on the pagan newsgroups - 

I think alt.religion.pagan  (or Wicca) ... check the list and you'll

see.

Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: dcg@acsu.buffalo.edu (Wench)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 14:22:25 GMT



actually I believe its alt.pagan but I don't see why we can't discuss it

here too. {shrug} 

-- 

					Where thunder rolls much louder

       Wench			        and demons cease to sleep

dcg@acsu.buffalo.edu			I wander in the midst of shadows

					a soul devoid of peace



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: Ras Richard I <0246021@nt.com>

Date: 5 Sep 1996 18:40:58 GMT



I and I agree .



At every nyabingi i attend there are herbs.  I use many different herbs, 

but you are corrcet.  Herbs are for more that just the physical self, 

but for meantality and spirit.





Peace and Love



Ras Richard I







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: HerbsNMassage@cwo.com

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 06:54:28 GMT



"csb" <csbuchanan@rtilink.com> lightly touched ink to paper and wrote:



>All this talk of herbs and I do use them for medicinal problems (ie, used a

>tea of valerium, echinacea and chamomile for an ear infection, to drink -

>worked fine for pain and antibiotic) but no one here wants to talk about

>the magical / spiritual side of herbs.



Right...we want to know and exchange the knowledge of herbs that heal.

Not the fanciful side that many don't agree on. Most folks agree on

the uses of herbs medicinally.



  Like angelica, mandrake and

>frankincense as herbs that repell evil.  For you Christians out there, 

>three gift were give by the Magi (root of magic or spiritual magicians,

>wise men and astronomers/astrologers ( a star in the...); 



They are known as wise men. Three gifts...GOLD, frankincense and

myrrh.  Niether is the Frankincense or Myrrh  used in Christianity for

anything. Esp. not in 'purification rites'.



 Frankincense to

>clear all evil presences (still burned in some churches as sacred incense, 

>Myrrh to aid in spirituality and awareness of spirit, and gold the

>treasures of the earth.  The Gods made herbs for healing of the mind,

>Spirit and the body.  And what a blessing was bestowed on us all of every

>race, creed and religion.   



Only God made herbs for the body of His creation.  The gifts were

brought to Jesus, as a token of love, and as the best gifts they could

give a King.



As noted earlier...most folks use this space as a way to share

information on the physical healing virtues of herbs..that most folks

share.  





HNM







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: ravendncr@aol.com (RAVENDNCR)

Date: 6 Sep 1996 09:58:55 -0400



<<<Right...we want to know and exchange the knowledge of herbs that heal.

Not the fanciful side that many don't agree on. Most folks agree on

the uses of herbs medicinally.>>>



Speak for yourself.  The magical, shamanistic, "folklore"  use of herbs

are well documented and have been used for such purposes for centuries. 

Most of the herbal books I own contain a few lines about the "folklore" of

the herb such as borage "I, borage always bring courage"  (John Gerard), 

St. John's Wort was believed to dispel evil spirits; and elderberry bushes

are said to be the home of fairies (Celtic tradition).  

CRD



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: thatjoeguy@nortexinfo.net (thatjoeguy)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 03:19:24 GMT



ravendncr@aol.com (RAVENDNCR) wrote:



><<<Right...we want to know and exchange the knowledge of herbs that heal.

>Not the fanciful side that many don't agree on. Most folks agree on

>the uses of herbs medicinally.>>>



>Speak for yourself.  The magical, shamanistic, "folklore"  use of herbs

>are well documented and have been used for such purposes for centuries. 



>CRD



I would love to hear more on the magickal side of herbs too, after all

this is alt.FOLKLORE.herbs

Maven





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: Cher <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca>

Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 06:18:32 -0600



On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, thatjoeguy wrote:



> I would love to hear more on the magickal side of herbs too, after all

> this is alt.FOLKLORE.herbs

> Maven

> 

I'm not so sure that it would be a good idea to mix the two into one

group, unless the usage was stated each and every time to clarify it.

There is a difference in usage; and the chance of someone using the

wrong method for an illness, taking something internally, etc. are pretty

good.  Besides, then you start with discussing different belief systems,

and the wars begin.  



Black Widow





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: thatjoeguy@nortexinfo.net (thatjoeguy)

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 17:56:49 GMT



Cher <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> wrote:



>On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, thatjoeguy wrote:



>> I would love to hear more on the magickal side of herbs too, after all

>> this is alt.FOLKLORE.herbs

>> Maven

>> 

>I'm not so sure that it would be a good idea to mix the two into one

>group, unless the usage was stated each and every time to clarify it.

>There is a difference in usage; and the chance of someone using the

>wrong method for an illness, taking something internally, etc. are pretty

>good.  Besides, then you start with discussing different belief systems,

>and the wars begin.  



>Black Widow



Perhaps an alt.folklore.herbs.majick?

Maven





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: jdashiel@delphi.com

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 23:38:36 -0500



Two additional references to borage both found in

Dorothy Gordon's The Book Of herbs.

In Medieval times when knights would joust,

one of them was going to fall off his horse with about 140 pounds of

armor on he wasn't likely to get up and walk off the field afterwards.

For that reason the ladies would make scarves for their favorite

knights with borage leaves as part of the embroidery.  The knights would also

drink a cup

of the borage tea before going out to joust bedcause it brought courage.

Homer made remarks that Nepenthe banished all sorrows.

Nepenthe is made by steeping the contents of a box of borage

tea in a bottle of wine for a half hour and

then removing the borage and then consuming the wine.

This I tried myself and it worked over here.

As with many things, folklore often holds  valuable

information.  A few years ago I was having kidney problems.

Went to hospital and had x-rays and medular sponge kidneys were the result.

The kidneys were hurting quite bad so went to

health food store with a list of the herbs out of back to eden by Kloss.

Bought some herbs and threee or four did nothing for the pain until

I tried the juniper berries in a tea.

Had to repeat that a few times, but ever since whenever I visit

a uroogist I have to explain what I did with those juniper berries.

Evidently those juniper berries act like fix-a-flat on the kidneys.

That certainly was something I wasn't told by the doctors in the

hospital.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: natasha@whatsa.matta.u.org (Natasha)

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 19:39:28 GMT



On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 06:54:28 GMT c.e., HerbsNMassage@cwo.com wrote:

>"csb" <csbuchanan@rtilink.com> lightly touched ink to paper and wrote:

>

>>All this talk of herbs and I do use them for medicinal problems (ie, used a

>>tea of valerium, echinacea and chamomile for an ear infection, to drink -

>>worked fine for pain and antibiotic) but no one here wants to talk about

>>the magical / spiritual side of herbs.

>

>Right...we want to know and exchange the knowledge of herbs that heal.

>Not the fanciful side that many don't agree on. Most folks agree on

>the uses of herbs medicinally.

>

>  Like angelica, mandrake and

>>frankincense as herbs that repell evil.  For you Christians out there, 

>>three gift were give by the Magi (root of magic or spiritual magicians,

>>wise men and astronomers/astrologers ( a star in the...); 

>

>They are known as wise men. Three gifts...GOLD, frankincense and

>myrrh.  Niether is the Frankincense or Myrrh  used in Christianity for

>anything. Esp. not in 'purification rites'.

>

> Frankincense to

>>clear all evil presences (still burned in some churches as sacred incense, 

>>Myrrh to aid in spirituality and awareness of spirit, and gold the

>>treasures of the earth.  The Gods made herbs for healing of the mind,

>>Spirit and the body.  And what a blessing was bestowed on us all of every

>>race, creed and religion.   

>

>Only God made herbs for the body of His creation.  The gifts were

>brought to Jesus, as a token of love, and as the best gifts they could

>give a King.

>

>As noted earlier...most folks use this space as a way to share

>information on the physical healing virtues of herbs..that most folks

>share.  

>

>

>HNM

>

>

Please keep your annihilistic christian crap beliefs to yourself. You

and your christian kind have done enough to destroy this garden.

Plants and their use were well known and used to aid mankind LONG

before your twit of a jesus king was ever invented (in writing only).

Shall we talk about the "Dark Ages" and why they are called that? Why,

it was the low-life christians who were insecure of anyone having more

information about the universe than they did, so they killed all

people that were not christians and destroyed ALL the knowledge of

healing and herbs wherever they found it. Result -- The Dark Ages.

Only now are we starting to recover from the ravages and utter

stupidity and insecurity of those who harbour and promote christian

beliefs.  Note in your very reply, you want to squash any sharing of

spiritual beliefs other than your own. Why? Were you taught to be THAT

insecure about your god?  All christians can shove a cross up their

ass and rotate, as far as I'm concerned. 



Next time you watch a horror show, remember, all those devices used to

torture people in dungeons were invented by christians to torture

anyone not christian. What kinds of minds those must be, to invent

those things. And those same minds and mindsets and beliefs are here,

to this very day. As exampled by this person's not wanting to hear

anything other than what THEY believe. Heaven forbid they should learn

something contradictory, they might have to actually think one day.



We can't have that now, can we.  Why, if you learned to think, those

in power would be afraid of you! Oh dear! And they'd have to invent a

new sin for you to be ashamed of so they'd have control over you

again! (I hope your jesus comes soon and takes all of you following-

idiots with him. The earth could use a good cleansing of the insecure

and stupid. Maybe that's what he had in mind ... to save us from

christians one day. Wouldn't THAT be wonderful!)



What goes around, comes around, as you sow, so shall you reap, I hope

to the fates that this time it is the christians' turn to get what

they've been doing to others for 2000 years. It's about time for them

to get theirs. And I hope it is 10-fold what they've done to others.

They have NO respect for anyone else's beliefs or ways, why do they

deserve even a micron of respect in return? They are too stupid to

learn by example, I say they get what they give this time. I'm tired

of hoping they'll figure it out for themselves. Even today, people are

dying from aids because they'd rather sacrifce a human to their god

and beliefs than help someone. Fuck 'em, they don't deserve even this

lecture much less any more understanding, respect, or help from

anyone. They have none for others.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: sheila bolton <sbolton@frontiernet.net>

Date: 9 Sep 1996 00:29:10 GMT



How sad, so much anger and spite.  I recommend therapy.  By the way, the 

main causes of the dark ages were the barbarian raids.



                            Sheila





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 02:07:08 GMT



In article <32327cfb.23822404@204.147.80.2>,

   natasha@whatsa.matta.u.org (Natasha) wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 06:54:28 GMT c.e., HerbsNMassage@cwo.com wrote:

>>"csb" <csbuchanan@rtilink.com> lightly touched ink to paper and wrote:

>>

>>>All this talk of herbs and I do use them for medicinal problems (ie, used a

>>>tea of valerium, echinacea and chamomile for an ear infection, to drink -

>>>worked fine for pain and antibiotic) but no one here wants to talk about

>>>the magical / spiritual side of herbs.

>>

>>Right...we want to know and exchange the knowledge of herbs that heal.

>>Not the fanciful side that many don't agree on. Most folks agree on

>>the uses of herbs medicinally.

>>

>>  Like angelica, mandrake and

>>>frankincense as herbs that repell evil.  For you Christians out there, 

>>>three gift were give by the Magi (root of magic or spiritual magicians,

>>>wise men and astronomers/astrologers ( a star in the...); 

>>

>>They are known as wise men. Three gifts...GOLD, frankincense and

>>myrrh.  Niether is the Frankincense or Myrrh  used in Christianity for

>>anything. Esp. not in 'purification rites'.

>>

>> Frankincense to

>>>clear all evil presences (still burned in some churches as sacred incense, 

>>>Myrrh to aid in spirituality and awareness of spirit, and gold the

>>>treasures of the earth.  The Gods made herbs for healing of the mind,

>>>Spirit and the body.  And what a blessing was bestowed on us all of every

>>>race, creed and religion.   

>>

>>Only God made herbs for the body of His creation.  The gifts were

>>brought to Jesus, as a token of love, and as the best gifts they could

>>give a King.

>>

>>As noted earlier...most folks use this space as a way to share

>>information on the physical healing virtues of herbs..that most folks

>>share.  

>>

>>

>>HNM

>>

>>

>Please keep your annihilistic christian crap beliefs to yourself. You

>and your christian kind have done enough to destroy this garden.

>Plants and their use were well known and used to aid mankind LONG

>before your twit of a jesus king was ever invented (in writing only).

>Shall we talk about the "Dark Ages" and why they are called that? Why,

>it was the low-life christians who were insecure of anyone having more

>information about the universe than they did, so they killed all

>people that were not christians and destroyed ALL the knowledge of

>healing and herbs wherever they found it. Result -- The Dark Ages.

>Only now are we starting to recover from the ravages and utter





In response to the anti christian flame- sorry the christians did not invent 

the forms of torture you speak of.They were employed long before the group of 

persons called christians were around.Also the christians themselves were put 

to death in garish manner as well.

  Anyway, as far as the magic in herbs-things only have the magic you believe 

they do.If you believe carrying a tonka brings good luck, it probably will,for 

you.Still the subject is a fun one and the late Scott Cunningham wrote several 

books about this subject.Check him out sometime.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Stephen Jahner <sjahner@sojourn.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: Kent and Kat Dyer <kdyer@nash.tds.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 00:23:53 -0700



Stephen Jahner wrote:

> In response to the anti christian flame- sorry the christians did not invent

> the forms of torture you speak of.They were employed long before the group of

> persons called christians were around.Also the christians themselves were put

> to death in garish manner as well.

>   Anyway, as far as the magic in herbs-things only have the magic you believe

> they do.If you believe carrying a tonka brings good luck, it probably will,for

> you.Still the subject is a fun one and the late Scott Cunningham wrote several

> books about this subject.Check him out sometime.

> Barbara



Hear! Hear!  I really like the Cunningham stuff.  Have you noticed the 

similarities between magical incense and medicinal aromatherapy?



Kat



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: James Bomford <jbomford@jbomford.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 22:06:33 +0100



In article <3237BA89.7C62@nash.tds.net>, Kent and Kat Dyer

<kdyer@nash.tds.net> writes

>

>Hear! Hear!  I really like the Cunningham stuff.  Have you noticed the 

>similarities between magical incense and medicinal aromatherapy?

>

>Kat



When i go into my garden and pick a herb or flower to eat or make into tea, i

think, feel and experience the whole of the plant-how the plant is grown

(wether wild, organic or otherwise) is very important to me. It is part of the

effect of the herb, particularly with the nervines. Speaking of which does

anyone know of any info about a plant called Rauwolia Serpentina, also called

Indian Snakeroot (as in Asia Indian), which has been used for thousands of years

in India to treat insanity and to help holy people to achieve states of

tranquility. From the little that I have read about this plant I think It could

be very useful for treating people (occasionally myself) who experience

frightening visions. I see the use of what is probably a quite potent herb as a

remedy to be used infrequenty and only when necessary; As someone who has

experienced the frightenly dibilitating and symptom oriented allopathic

psycriatric drugs, a potent herbal treatment (combined ideally with good food, a

safe and free environment and friendly support) to calm down 'freaked out'

visions would be marvellous. 

Any way I'm digressing, magic is part of everything including herbs. Sometimes

it is difficult to see the magic in money making obbsessed western society.

Food, cloth and shelter, thats all the material things we need. You can get a

sac of wheatgrain for about a fiver, and allow yourself more time to experience

the magic of our home planet Earth. Love to all Jim@jbomford.demon.co.uk  





Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: Cindy Pflugh <cindyp@axxess.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 07:29:56 -0600



Stephen Jahner wrote:

> 

> In article <32327cfb.23822404@204.147.80.2>,

>    natasha@whatsa.matta.u.org (Natasha) wrote:

> >On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 06:54:28 GMT c.e., HerbsNMassage@cwo.com wrote:

> >>"csb" <csbuchanan@rtilink.com> lightly touched ink to paper and wrote:

> >>

> >>>All this talk of herbs and I do use them for medicinal problems (ie, used a

> >>>tea of valerium, echinacea and chamomile for an ear infection, to drink -

> >>>worked fine for pain and antibiotic) but no one here wants to talk about

> >>>the magical / spiritual side of herbs.

> >>

> >>Right...we want to know and exchange the knowledge of herbs that heal.

> >>Not the fanciful side that many don't agree on. Most folks agree on

> >>the uses of herbs medicinally.

> >>

> >>  Like angelica, mandrake and

> >>>frankincense as herbs that repell evil.  For you Christians out there,

> >>>three gift were give by the Magi (root of magic or spiritual magicians,

> >>>wise men and astronomers/astrologers ( a star in the...);

> >>

> >>They are known as wise men. Three gifts...GOLD, frankincense and

> >>myrrh.  Niether is the Frankincense or Myrrh  used in Christianity for

> >>anything. Esp. not in 'purification rites'.

> >>

> >> Frankincense to

> >>>clear all evil presences (still burned in some churches as sacred incense,

> >>>Myrrh to aid in spirituality and awareness of spirit, and gold the

> >>>treasures of the earth.  The Gods made herbs for healing of the mind,

> >>>Spirit and the body.  And what a blessing was bestowed on us all of every

> >>>race, creed and religion.

> >>

> >>Only God made herbs for the body of His creation.  The gifts were

> >>brought to Jesus, as a token of love, and as the best gifts they could

> >>give a King.

> >>

> >>As noted earlier...most folks use this space as a way to share

> >>information on the physical healing virtues of herbs..that most folks

> >>share.

> >>

> >>

> >>HNM

> >>

> >>

> >Please keep your annihilistic christian crap beliefs to yourself. You

> >and your christian kind have done enough to destroy this garden.

> >Plants and their use were well known and used to aid mankind LONG

> >before your twit of a jesus king was ever invented (in writing only).

> >Shall we talk about the "Dark Ages" and why they are called that? Why,

> >it was the low-life christians who were insecure of anyone having more

> >information about the universe than they did, so they killed all

> >people that were not christians and destroyed ALL the knowledge of

> >healing and herbs wherever they found it. Result -- The Dark Ages.

> >Only now are we starting to recover from the ravages and utter

> 

> In response to the anti christian flame- sorry the christians did not invent

> the forms of torture you speak of.They were employed long before the group of

> persons called christians were around.Also the christians themselves were put

> to death in garish manner as well.

>   Anyway, as far as the magic in herbs-things only have the magic you believe

> they do.If you believe carrying a tonka brings good luck, it probably will,for

> you.Still the subject is a fun one and the late Scott Cunningham wrote several

> books about this subject.Check him out sometime.

> Barbara





Yes, I believe in the magic of herbs.  Believing that any herb can

fix a health problem is part of its magic.  Why not believe that they

can also protect you in a mojo bag or whatever.  I think our minds in

this group should be open to all discussions of herbs.  However they

are used...

Peace

Cindy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:42:33 GMT



HerbsNMassage@cwo.com wrote:



>"csb" <csbuchanan@rtilink.com> lightly touched ink to paper and wrote:



>>All this talk of herbs and I do use them for medicinal problems (ie, 

>>used a tea of valerium, echinacea and chamomile for an ear infection,

>>to drink - worked fine for pain and antibiotic) but no one here wants

>>to talk aboutthe magical / spiritual side of herbs.



>Right...we want to know and exchange the knowledge of herbs that heal.

>Not the fanciful side that many don't agree on. Most folks agree on

>the uses of herbs medicinally.



Fanciful?  There's nothing fanciful about using damiana tea at Samhein

for black mirror or water scrying.  It's quite serious stuff, and

the traditions need to be discussed, although I agree that alt.wicca

or alt.pagan might yeild better/more voluminous discussions.  



And so far as what type of knowledge 'we' want to know and exchange, 

how can you purport to speak for all of us?  If, for one, originally

signed on here thinking the focus was magical in nature but I still

enjoy reading about the medicinal side as well.  The term folklore

certainly implies to me a more magical tone.  If the group were

called alt.healing.herbs then maybe you'd be able to make a case, 

but then again, herbs can be used magically for spiritual healing,

too!



>  Like angelica, mandrake and

>>frankincense as herbs that repell evil.  For you Christians out there, 

>>three gift were give by the Magi (root of magic or spiritual 

>>magicians, wise men and astronomers/astrologers ( a star in the...); 



>They are known as wise men. Three gifts...GOLD, frankincense and

>myrrh.  Niether is the Frankincense or Myrrh  used in Christianity for

>anything. Esp. not in 'purification rites'.



Um, you need to learn more about the origins of these once very

precious spices before you go making such sweeping erroneous statements

like that above..  Yes, their origin was quite magical, even for the

church. Just as the gems had magical purposes and still do -- the pope's

ring for example, and the ancient jews used herbs a lot. (Did not

Ezekial compare Jehovah's throne to sapphire [or lapis lazuli]?)



>>Frankincense to clear all evil presences (still burned in some 

>>churches as sacred incense, 

>>Myrrh to aid in spirituality and awareness of spirit, and gold the

>>treasures of the earth.  The Gods made herbs for healing of the mind,

>>Spirit and the body.  And what a blessing was bestowed on us all of 

>>every race, creed and religion.   



>Only God made herbs for the body of His creation.  The gifts were

>brought to Jesus, as a token of love, and as the best gifts they could

>give a King.



Many of us believe things a little differently than this; so you want

to believe "God made herbs for the body of His creation."  I prefer

to think of it as herbs are gifts from the Goddess for her children,

and we are now regaining much lost knowledge that your god's followers

tried to kill off (due to their insecurities about the masses knowing

the truth about plants/midwifery/the stars, etc.) so that they could

gain control over the people.  Thankfully I live in a country that

allows freedom of ALL religions -- not just a few 'correct' ones!

And herbs are part of my spiritual path as much as holy water and

the host is part of Roman Catholosism and singing is part of some

Apolostolic churches, lighting candles on Shabbot is part of Judaism,

and saying "in jesus' name. Amen." at the end of each prayer is part of

other relgions.



>As noted earlier...most folks use this space as a way to share

>information on the physical healing virtues of herbs..that most folks

>share.  



So does that mean that we can't share *folklore* about magical uses?

If you don't want to participate in such discussions, fine, but don't

try to exclude such discussions from here, b/c it won't work and

it's not really up to you what aspect of herbology people discuss

here. Magical uses certainly aren't off topic.  Dreams and herbs

are also a magical aspect.  I don't see anyone poo-pooing that.



To the orignal poster: I assume you've read Scott Cunningham's book

about the magical use of herbs? (The name escapes me at the moment).

--

Morning Glory



"It may be that the first stage in an effective global revolution for 

peace will be when male doctors accept progressively to retire 

from obstetrics and return chilbirth to women."  

         - Michel Odent, MD, head of Pithviers Maternity Unit







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: c4winds@teleport.com (Clan of the Four Winds)

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 17:47:46 GMT



... that alt.wicca or alt.pagan might yeild better/more voluminous

discussions.  



I sincerly doubt it, I quit visiting both those newsgroups because of

the overwhelming egos over there I think I saw what, 5 maybe 6 threads

that didn't devolve into "I'm a better wiccan/pagan/mage than you"

People who innocently dropped in to ask about the magickal nature of

herbs got a couple of useful answers, which were usually

contradictory, so the battle over who was right would start. On top of

having to wade through that, you then have the well-meaning Christians

trying to save everyone there, and all the nasty responses that go

along with those.



I do think that making alt.folklore.herbs.magick (or esoteric?) would

be a good idea, It would be a good place for exchanging information,

and those herbalists who do not believe in magick wouldn't have to be

there to be offended.



Charlene

   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   Clan of The Four Winds

Good guys dont always wear white

    c4winds@teleport.com

   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: Cher <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:05:16 -0600



On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Clan of the Four Winds wrote:



(snip)> 

> I do think that making alt.folklore.herbs.magick (or esoteric?) would

> be a good idea, It would be a good place for exchanging information,

> and those herbalists who do not believe in magick wouldn't have to be

> there to be offended.

> 

> Charlene

>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>    Clan of The Four Winds

> Good guys dont always wear white

>     c4winds@teleport.com

>    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

alt.magick.folk was already created and exists just for the study of herbs

and other folk practices -- its hardly used.



Black Widow





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magical Herbalism

From: jdashiel@delphi.com

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 23:22:14 -0500



You may want to send email to

arcana-request@brownvm.brown.edu and request a subscription to

the arcana list.  That list is into serious study

of all things arcanic and this topic has had limited coverage

onthat list.  You might also want to apply

for a subscription to festival astrology list, an email

list alot more reasonable than alt.astrology in that spam mail doesn't

happen.  To subscribe to festival,

send email tsrozhon@cybergate.net and request a subscription  to

the festival list.  That list is interested in asttrology.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Eczema & Coal tar

From: joseph.couture@state.me.us (Joseph Couture)

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 13:09:38 GMT



The only remedy I can find for my bad scalp condition is to use

Nutrogena's T-Gel shampoo-- which I have done for about 8 years

now.  My growing concern is about the cumulative effects of the

coal tar in the shampoo.  Is this a legitimate concern? I've heard

that coal tar is used to produce many yellow colors in ointments and

foods also, which seems to be harmful in the long run.  I've looked

around, but I cannot find any herbal information as an alternative

remedy for my scalp problem.  Rare and expensive herbs, or esoteric

formulas are really not feasible.  BTW, I do find that the shorter I

keep my hair, the less severe the problem is.  When I was in boot

camp, my scalp didn't itch at all.  Perhaps I should just accept the

lot of a skinhead? ....  Also, any suggestions for a niece who has

psoriasis?  (I think her bad diet has a lot to do with it.) Thanks

all!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema & Coal tar

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:58:54 +0100



In article <50mjd9$fl6@web.ddp.state.me.us>, Joseph Couture

<joseph.couture@state.me.us> writes

>The only remedy I can find for my bad scalp condition is to use

>Nutrogena's T-Gel shampoo-- which I have done for about 8 years

>now.  My growing concern is about the cumulative effects of the

>coal tar in the shampoo.  Is this a legitimate concern? I've heard

>that coal tar is used to produce many yellow colors in ointments and

>foods also, which seems to be harmful in the long run.  I've looked

>around, but I cannot find any herbal information as an alternative

>remedy for my scalp problem.  Rare and expensive herbs, or esoteric

>formulas are really not feasible.  BTW, I do find that the shorter I

>keep my hair, the less severe the problem is.  When I was in boot

>camp, my scalp didn't itch at all.  Perhaps I should just accept the

>lot of a skinhead? ....  Also, any suggestions for a niece who has

>psoriasis?  (I think her bad diet has a lot to do with it.) Thanks

>all!

>



if it is dry eczema, a lot more oil in your diet will help, at least 2

tablespoons a day, for wet eczema I have found a sage rinse will help

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema & Coal tar

From: ogydoggy@aol.com (Ogy doggy)

Date: 8 Sep 1996 10:02:32 -0400



In responce to you quiry. I have recently done a lot of research on skin

conditions as I have a 19 year old who I wish would cut his mop to allow

for the sun to work on his psorises but to no avail at this point . It has

recently been published in the news group for people with P that it is an

autoimmune disoder ??? . as for coal tar . as with anything it is not a

good idia to do to much of it even if it has been used for years and years

with minor side effects but each person is diffrent .  I will tell you

what I am working on for my sons treatment for P in  his scalp . We have

started a regiment of 2 oz of collidial minerals once a day . as well as a

vitamans for stress. we have also started a kidney cleanse and liver

cleanse as well as colon cleanse . I have also been trying to find a

preparation  called milk weed . I know what milk weed is but have yet to

have located how to use it or prepare it .also we will be using a mild

shampoo . and we will see what happens . I do though have a product that

does seem to work on P but I will not devulge its name in this group as

the contants of this product is still in question as is its safety and  I

would not wish harm to anyone nor my own son hence the move away from the

product  I don't know if this has help but having a 19 year old with P  is

nothing I would wish on someone whom i disliked . but good luck just the

same   



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema & Coal tar

From: jdashiel@delphi.com

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 00:08:51 -0500



I have eczema on more than one part of myy body and talked with

a homeopath about it and he told me that psoriases and

eczema are two completely different diseases.

He checked me over for psoriases and was glad to find out

I don't have that disease.  Keping hair short or nonexistent deos help

the itching problem for me.

Also Desert Essence came  out with a diaper rash ointment

that comes in a tube.  There several helpful ingredients in that ointment one of

which is ti tree oil.

I use the ointment on places that have broken open or are about to break open

and it does help the healing.

The F.D.A. banned doctors from using cortizone for eczema last year

because the panel on medical effectiveness found cortizone was completely

ineffective.

Another alternative and this is something you want to look up in a book

to make sure you're doing it right is a rectal enema made of

50% garlic tea and 50% catnip tea.  This was not listed in Back To Eden but

the authors didn't claim to have seen everything when they wrote their book.

Another internet correspondent I have found the enema alternative

in three of his better herb books so he's inclined to trust it.

I have yet to try that.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia...the Ultra Sweet Herb

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 5 Sep 1996 13:33:35 GMT



 

> Gary,

> 

> 	I don't have that information handy (the latin name), but it IS

> available at most health food stores now  (this wasn't the case a couple

> years back).    

> 

> 	I bought some NOW brand stevia extract for ~10.00.   Very very

> sweet.   Seems like it's only good for certain things (like iced-tea), but

> I don't use it for other things (coffee).

> 

> 	My question to the newsgroup:   Has anybody ever tried baking with

> stevia, making hard candy, etc?    

> 

> 

> ....Rodney

 

Rodney; I've baked with Stevia. I used the whole herb ("cut and 

sifted" , not powdered). The first batch was horrible..It got pitched.

The second try was respectable but not up to my standards yet.I'm

going to keep trying! P.S. I'm making a cookie sweeetened with Stevia.



                                In good health (through herbs), Jerry



  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: KavaKava/HighBP

From: eor <evelyne@halcyon.com>

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:32:20 -0700



I have high blood pressure and would like to know if it's o.k. to take:

kava kava (not daily),bilberry,ginko biloba and on occasion valerian root.



Evelyne

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Plant Dyes

From: willg@sirius.com (will guy)

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 10:56:08 -0600



where can I get info on this?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Plant Dyes

From: Bob Foster <bfoster@blvl.igs.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 20:55:33 -0400



It's not a recent book, but one of the best sources of information about

herbs and their use as plant dyes would be John Lust's "The Herb Book",

Bantam Books, 1540 Broadway, New York, New York, USA, 10036, 1974, pages

549 to 564. Do the herbal FAQ's have info on this as well....? I'd

better check.



Let me know if you could use some alkanet root.



Bob Foster



	http;//www.blvl.igs.net/~bfoster/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Am looking for Black Walnut tree, Western Washington

From: "Opus" <an711602@anon.penet.fi>

Date: 5 Sep 1996 18:56:46 GMT



Could any body help?  I live in Tacoma and need access to a black walnut

tree, quickly.  Thanks in advance. 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Am looking for Black Walnut tree, Western Washington

From: sandy@teleport.com (Sandy)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 23:01:06 -0700



In article <01bb9b5b$d368a380$4b659dcc@mick>, "Opus" <an711602@anon.penet.fi> wrote:



> Could any body help?  I live in Tacoma and need access to a black walnut

> tree, quickly.  Thanks in advance. 



If you want to PLANT one, try Northwoods Retail Nursery - I believe they're in your area...



--Sandy



________________________________________________________



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all laugh at one another for our lack of originality.



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________________________________________________________

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: skin tags

From: mpritche@leo.vsla.edu (Marge Pritchett)

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:31:46 GMT



Please list the herbs you used to rid the skin of the tags.

Thank you

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Smelling salts

From: madkoch@tvo.org (Madeline Koch)

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 15:52:03 -0400



I have a little bottle of rosemary essential oil, and I spill a few drops

in my bath every morning because I think (but can't really prove) that

it's stimulating. Seems like a nice way to start the day.

But some days I feel pretty dozy and I wonder if there's some kind of a

concoction I can take a whiff off to wake myself up. (A whiff of rosemary

does seem to help a little.) Something like the smelling salts people used

to wave under fainted ladies' noses. (What was in that stuff anyway?)



-- 

Madeline Koch

Toronto, Canada

madkoch@tvo.org



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.aromatherapy

Subject: Smelling salts

From: madkoch@tvo.org (Madeline Koch)

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 14:42:13 -0400



Every morning I pour a few drops of essential oil of rosemary in my bath

because I've heard it's a stimulant. Seems like a good way to wake up and

start the day. But some days it's hard to keep the cobwebs out of my head.

Is there a concoction I can take a whiff of periodically to perk myself up

a little? Something like the smelling salts of days of yore, which used to

revive people from a faint? (What was in that stuff, anyway?)



Thanks.



-- 

Madeline Koch

Toronto, Canada

madkoch@tvo.org



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.aromatherapy

Subject: Re: Smelling salts

From: margec@nash.mindspring.com (Marge C)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 12:30:48 GMT



madkoch@tvo.org (Madeline Koch) wrote:



>Every morning I pour a few drops of essential oil of rosemary in my bath

>because I've heard it's a stimulant. Seems like a good way to wake up and

>start the day.



Rosemary IS a stimulant, Madeline...   



 But some days it's hard to keep the cobwebs out of my head.

>Is there a concoction I can take a whiff of periodically to perk myself up

>a little?



you might try blending a tad of basil into some rosemary...  and

Peppermint is a wonderful 'cobweb clearer'   



I try to keep a tiny vial of peppermint in my glove compartment for a

wakeup call while driving...



 Something like the smelling salts of days of yore, which used to

>revive people from a faint? (What was in that stuff, anyway?)



argh...ammonia...   you don't WANT to go breathing it if you can avoid

it!!!   





Nature's Gift Custom Aromatherapy

Balancing Body and Spirit with Natural Essential Oils

http://www.mindspring.com/~margec/healing.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.aromatherapy

Subject: Re: Smelling salts

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:59:32 +0100



In article <madkoch-0609961442140001@ellen5.slip.yorku.ca>, Madeline

Koch <madkoch@tvo.org> writes

>Every morning I pour a few drops of essential oil of rosemary in my bath

>because I've heard it's a stimulant. Seems like a good way to wake up and

>start the day. But some days it's hard to keep the cobwebs out of my head.

>Is there a concoction I can take a whiff of periodically to perk myself up

>a little? Something like the smelling salts of days of yore, which used to

>revive people from a faint? (What was in that stuff, anyway?)

>

>Thanks.

>



you can still find smelling salts in any good chemist. I personally

prefere lavender to rosemary in my bath with a touch of lemon balm a

great morning buzz. but the most popular of all" bring me rounds ", was

a smoking bird feather, and you dont have to remove it from the bird.

there are plenty lying around. it will certainly wake you up, it would

wake up the dead , and you probably will not thank me for the tip, it

smells awfull.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.aromatherapy

Subject: Re: Smelling salts

From: Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 10:14:49 +0100



In article <ZoNpjzAU5fMyEwBp@oldcity.demon.co.uk>, Shez

<shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <madkoch-0609961442140001@ellen5.slip.yorku.ca>, Madeline

>Koch <madkoch@tvo.org> writes

>>Every morning I pour a few drops of essential oil of rosemary in my bath

>>because I've heard it's a stimulant. Seems like a good way to wake up and

>>start the day. But some days it's hard to keep the cobwebs out of my head.

>>Is there a concoction I can take a whiff of periodically to perk myself up

>>a little? Something like the smelling salts of days of yore, which used to

>>revive people from a faint? (What was in that stuff, anyway?)

>>

>>Thanks.

>>

>

>you can still find smelling salts in any good chemist. I personally

>prefere lavender to rosemary in my bath with a touch of lemon balm a

>great morning buzz. but the most popular of all" bring me rounds ", was

>a smoking bird feather, and you dont have to remove it from the bird.





hehe  ! and here is me thinking you meant leave it on the bird and as it

flys around it spreads the nasty smell :)





>there are plenty lying around. it will certainly wake you up, it would

>wake up the dead , and you probably will not thank me for the tip, it

>smells awfull.



-- 

Graham Sorenson

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smelling salts

From: ZFSJ47D@prodigy.com (Miss Heidi M. Evans)

Date: 10 Sep 1996 19:07:03 GMT



> you can still find smelling salts in any good chemist.



Not true in America.  Apparently some idiots started a rumor that you 



could get high off the stuff, which is now nearly impossible to find.  



I had to go to a chemical supply store which sells stuff to research 



chemists and sign a disclaimer that I was over 21 (perjury by two 



months at the time, but no one asked).  All this because I suffer from 



anxiety attacks.  Anyway, I put them into a bottle with food coloring 



(needed because it otherwise looks exactly like cocaine), and made the 



bottle into an attractive necklace with a silver wire netting.  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.aromatherapy

Subject: Re: Smelling salts

From: rsc@europa.com (Roger Cathey)

Date: 11 Sep 1996 07:55:06 GMT



In article <madkoch-0609961442140001@ellen5.slip.yorku.ca>, madkoch@tvo.org, 

n% says...

>

>Every morning I pour a few drops of essential oil of rosemary in my bath

>because I've heard it's a stimulant. Seems like a good way to wake up and

>start the day. But some days it's hard to keep the cobwebs out of my head.

>Is there a concoction I can take a whiff of periodically to perk myself up

>a little? Something like the smelling salts of days of yore, which used to

>revive people from a faint? (What was in that stuff, anyway?)

>

>Thanks.

>

>-- 

>Madeline Koch

>Toronto, Canada

>madkoch@tvo.org



-- 

Just as an addition to this thread:



This is an old idea apparently, but for purposes of data exchange and open 

discussion, I am posting it, since there are many instances where this 

harmless addition to cpr could prove the difference between the loss of a 

few to several million brains cells:

===============================

The following was recently recorded in the Office of the County 

Recorder, Clark County, Washington & in the Offcie of the 

County Coroner, Clark County, Washington:



Common Law Declaration of the discovery of ....

process of ammonia activated cardio-pulminary resuscitation 

(AMAC-CPR or CPR-WAM: With AMmonia)by Lyle Hartford Van Dyke, 

Jr.



Reversal of Asphyxia and "Brain Death" (This notice is not 

copyrighted - Please reprint and distribute.)



Notice: To all CPR Medical Resuscitation Units and 

Anesthesiologists. (Dec. 5, 1995)

--snip--



METHOD: Experimental---Involves use of smelling salts or some 

other source of ammonia gas as a stimulant in combination with 

CPR.



PROBLEM:......Carbon dioxide, in excess, blocks the flow 

of oxygen to the muscle cells and brain cells and thereby 

causes fatigue, cell asphyxiation, [apoptosis] and brain biostasy.  Brain 

biostasy is a biostatic condition of the brain improperly 

termed "brain death".  If the biostatic condition becomes 

irreversable, then the condition would be properly termed 

"brain death".



SOLUTION: Ammonia, a gas, reacts with the above mentioned 

carbon dioxide to produce urea (carbamide) which is a normal 

waste product of the body and which is easily absorbed and 

carried off by the body fluids, thus reversing the PROBLEM 

stated above.



ACCESS: Ammonia can reach the brain by two access paths.  

Ammonia which is taken into the lungs can be absorbed and 

carried to the brain and other parts of the body by the blood 

stream.  Ammonia which is taken into the nose can be 

transferred directly to the frontal lobe of the brain from the 

upper sinus cavity, the brain's second respiratory 

system.......



SOURCES OF AMMONIA:  Smelling salts (active ingredient=ammonium 

carbonate, inactive ingredient=perfume), other ammonium salts, 

ammonium hydroxide or aqua-ammonia (also known as household 

ammonia), or any ammonia generator....



WARNING: Ammonia gas combines with the water in the mucous 

membraines of the eyes, nose and throat to produce a base known 

as ammonium hydroxide which is caustic

.....Therefore avoid prolonged contact of 

ammonia gas with any moist area of the body.  Use ammonia very 

carefully, with great moderation, and preferably under medical 

supervision when application is medical, such as resuscitation.



RESOURCES:......A general information package (Death vs 

Biostasy, about 35 pages plus updates) is available for ten 

dollars ($10) postpaid (please pay via money order) from: 

Resuscitation Information, c/o Hartford Van Dyke, P.O. Box 

3100, Battle Ground, Washington. 98604, or 

telephone(360)687-5680. [signed] Hartford Van Dyke, 95-12-13.

-====================================================



==============================

Roger Cathey, Director

Robert Cathey Research Source

http://www.europa.com/~rsc/

rsc@europa.com

==============================





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smelling salts

From: jimbob@mis.ca (Robert Matthews)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 06:13:52 -0300



In article <madkoch-0509961552040001@curly04.slip.yorku.ca>,

madkoch@tvo.org wrote:



> I have a little bottle of rosemary essential oil, and I spill a few drops

> in my bath every morning because I think (but can't really prove) that

> it's stimulating. Seems like a nice way to start the day.

> But some days I feel pretty dozy and I wonder if there's some kind of a

> concoction I can take a whiff off to wake myself up. (A whiff of rosemary

> does seem to help a little.) Something like the smelling salts people used

> to wave under fainted ladies' noses. (What was in that stuff anyway?)



      Smelling salts were/are mostly ammonium carbonate, a bulking agent,

and usually some sort of masking fragrance (violets, sometimes). And have

you ever smelled them? I have. It's like the smell of ammonia from a

household cleaner, times a hundred. Smelling salts are like a punch in the

face inside your nose--no wonder they wake you up!



Robert Matthews

-- 

jimbob@mis.ca



"Childbirth, as a strictly physical phenomenon,

is comparable to driving a United Parcel truck

through an inner tube."                --Dave Barry



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smelling salts

From: hallj@cadvision.com (John W Hall)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 14:06:40 GMT



madkoch@tvo.org (Madeline Koch) wrote:



> Something like the smelling salts people used

>to wave under fainted ladies' noses. (What was in that stuff anyway?)



Ah! How smells and memories are connected!

My mother's smelling salts were in a beautiful green bottle

with a scalloped/faceted shape.

I think the smell was ammonia, but like many old

'remedies' is probably now believed to be dangerous.



John Hall / Digital Magic <hallj@cadvision.com>

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" (Arthur C. Clarke)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smelling salts

From: changes@sunlink.net

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 13:39:43 GMT



You can make yourself some "smelling salts" with Jojoba oil, a nd a

few drops of anything YOU find stimulating.  Rosemary, Peppermint,

(mints in general) Basil (very big) Citrus' ... they're all good,

Lemon, Basil and a touch of mint is nice ... MY favorite combo for

balance ... supplying my mind, body, and spirit with what ever it

needs at the time is ... Rosemary, Lavender and Peppermint.  Very nice

too!

Wishing you Health and Healing

Susan

Changes Within

"Helping People Heal ... Naturally"

changes@sunlink.net 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smelling salts

From: changes@sunlink.net

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 05:18:14 GMT



Oh Dear ... in my last post aboutr smelling salts I forgot the most

important thing ... the SALTS.  Of Course I'm not talking about the

ammonia based salts.  Plain ordinary table salt, or epsom salts, sea

salt etc. will do.  It is the scent of the essential oils that have

the effect.  Jojoba will help the scent stay a bit longer, (acts

somewhat as a fixative) and the salts just take up some room.  Use a

wide opening vial for best effect.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Morning glory seeds

From: Jackie Ramo <jramo@gbrownc.on.ca>

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 19:20:01 -0400



Hi Group!



My neighbour has 2 toddlers and between our houses on the fence are 

morning glories.  We know that this plant is poisonous but does anyone 

know how many seeds a 1.3 year old would need to eat to be sick or worse?



The children are watched at all times but with both (the other is 2.2) it 

only take a second.  The flowers are going to seed now and 2 were taken 

out of the smallest ones mouth today.  Next year it shouldn't be a 

problem as the older one does not even bother.



Any advice or suggestions



Thanks



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: herbalist@plant.kingdom

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 05:35:57 GMT



Jackie Ramo <jramo@gbrownc.on.ca> lovingly lightly touched ink to

paper and wrote:



>Hi Group!



>My neighbour has 2 toddlers and between our houses on the fence are 

>morning glories.  We know that this plant is poisonous but does anyone 

>know how many seeds a 1.3 year old would need to eat to be sick or worse?



>The children are watched at all times but with both (the other is 2.2) it 

>only take a second.  The flowers are going to seed now and 2 were taken 

>out of the smallest ones mouth today.  Next year it shouldn't be a 

>problem as the older one does not even bother.



>Any advice or suggestions



>Thanks



Since they are so little and plants grow back, but children

don't...why not just pull 'em out?????? 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: Shddemon@cris.com (SHADOWDEMON)

Date: 8 Sep 1996 23:37:00 GMT



In article <50tm4l$dcu@news.xmission.com>,  <herbalist@plant.kingdom> wrote:

>Jackie Ramo <jramo@gbrownc.on.ca> lovingly lightly touched ink to

>paper and wrote:

>

>>Hi Group!

>

>>My neighbour has 2 toddlers and between our houses on the fence are 

>>morning glories.  We know that this plant is poisonous but does anyone 

>>know how many seeds a 1.3 year old would need to eat to be sick or worse?

>

>>The children are watched at all times but with both (the other is 2.2) it 

>>only take a second.  The flowers are going to seed now and 2 were taken 

>>out of the smallest ones mouth today.  Next year it shouldn't be a 

>>problem as the older one does not even bother.

>

>>Any advice or suggestions

>

>>Thanks

>

>Since they are so little and plants grow back, but children

>don't...why not just pull 'em out?????? 

>



Morning Glory is not poisonous. The seeds will make you hallucinate,

though.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: bubba <marty@aros.net>

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 20:15:11 +0200



SHADOWDEMON wrote:

> 

> In article <50tm4l$dcu@news.xmission.com>,  <herbalist@plant.kingdom> wrote:

> >Jackie Ramo <jramo@gbrownc.on.ca> lovingly lightly touched ink to

> >paper and wrote:

> >

> >>Hi Group!

> >

> >>My neighbour has 2 toddlers and between our houses on the fence are

> >>morning glories.  We know that this plant is poisonous but does anyone

> >>know how many seeds a 1.3 year old would need to eat to be sick or worse?

> >

> >>The children are watched at all times but with both (the other is 2.2) it

> >>only take a second.  The flowers are going to seed now and 2 were taken

> >>out of the smallest ones mouth today.  Next year it shouldn't be a

> >>problem as the older one does not even bother.

> >

> >>Any advice or suggestions

> >

> >>Thanks

> >

> >Since they are so little and plants grow back, but children

> >don't...why not just pull 'em out??????

> >

> 

> Morning Glory is not poisonous. The seeds will make you hallucinate,

> though.



I remember boiling some morning glory seeds as a teenager and drinking the tea. 

It tasted horrible and made me sick. But I got higher than a kite.  Thought I 

was in a fish tank for awhile before passing out.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: Jackie Ramo <jramo@gbrownc.on.ca>

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:46:09 -0400



Dear Bubba



How many seeds did you boil up.  The question was how many seeds will 

hurt a 1 year old. 



Mom does not want him to be either sick or hilucinate by eating the 

seeds, pods or leaves.

Thanks 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: bubba <marty@aros.net>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:44:15 +0200



Jackie Ramo wrote:

> 

> Dear Bubba

> 

> How many seeds did you boil up.  The question was how many seeds will

> hurt a 1 year old.

> 

> Mom does not want him to be either sick or hilucinate by eating the

> seeds, pods or leaves.

> Thanks



Seems like it was a lot.  Half a cup or more! (of seeds). It seemed to 

take a while to collect them all too.



marty



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: jramo@gbrownc.on.ca

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:05:07 GMT



Shddemon@cris.com (SHADOWDEMON) wrote:





>>Jackie Ramo <jramo@gbrownc.on.ca> wrote:



>>>Hi Group!



>>>My neighbour has 2 toddlers and between our houses on the fence are 

>>>morning glories.  We know that this plant is poisonous but does

>>>anyone know how many seeds a 1.3 year old would need to eat to be

>>>sick or worse?



>>>The children are watched at all times but with both (the other is

>>>2.2) it only take a second.  The flowers are going to seed now and 2

>>>were taken out of the smallest ones mouth today.  Next year it

>>>shouldn't be a problem as the older one does not even bother.



>Morning Glory is not poisonous. The seeds will make you hallucinate,

>though.



That's not quite right.  Commercial seeds are often coated in poison

to discourage youngsters from buying them to get high, b/c yes, they

do contain some psychedelic chemicals.  However psychedelic and

hallucinegenic is not quite the same thing.  Also, the untreated

seeds themselves are somewhat toxic, but not *poisonous*.  



The amount that an adult needs to consume in order to get a mild trip

that might be accompanied with some stomache upset and vomiting b/c of

the toxins is between 100 - 200 seeds, depending on the size of the

seeds, the type of morning glory, the age of the seeds, etc. It would

take a little more than that for most people to have really strong

reactions to the toxins, or some might have a reaction with that

many, depending on the indivdual (like with many things in life).



A one year old who weighs, lets say 25 pounds, would be approx 1/5 of

the average adult.  Assuming that weight alone is the main factor that 

would mean about 20 seeds would need to be consumed before it would

be enough for the child to have a drug-like reaction.  Of course that's

rather simplistic; there might be other factors involved including

individual tolerance to the toxins that are in the seeds, and children

are more sensitive to some things.  In any case, I don't think 2 seeds

pose much of a threat, and pulling the plants out seems rather drastic

and unecessary to me.



Just keep a close eye on them; don't let them play around there until 

the seed pods have open and dropped all the seeds.  You may have to

still watch them even then, since the seeds will be on the ground (but

not in the cute little pods that are so tempting to little ones).

--

Morning Glory



"Nature can provide for the needs of people; [she] can't provide for

the greeds of people."  - Mohandas K. Gandhi







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: Jackie Ramo <jramo@gbrownc.on.ca>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:59:19 -0400



Thank you for your very informative note.  Both the mother and I 

appreciate this information.  As I said the children are watch carefully 

but a few seconds seems to be all it takes.



We are sweeping up the seeds as they fall and trying to keep the child 

away from them.  Hopefuly by spring this facination of putting Everything 

in his mouth will pass.



Thanks again.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: awest@mail.net-connect.net (August West)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:51:13 GMT



Shddemon@cris.com (SHADOWDEMON) wrote:



>In article <50tm4l$dcu@news.xmission.com>,  <herbalist@plant.kingdom> wrote:

>>Jackie Ramo <jramo@gbrownc.on.ca> lovingly lightly touched ink to

>>paper and wrote:

>>

>>>Hi Group!

>>

>>>My neighbour has 2 toddlers and between our houses on the fence are 

>>>morning glories.  We know that this plant is poisonous but does anyone 

>>>know how many seeds a 1.3 year old would need to eat to be sick or worse?

>>

>>>The children are watched at all times but with both (the other is 2.2) it 

>>>only take a second.  The flowers are going to seed now and 2 were taken 

>>>out of the smallest ones mouth today.  Next year it shouldn't be a 

>>>problem as the older one does not even bother.

>>

>>>Any advice or suggestions

>>

>>>Thanks

>>

>>Since they are so little and plants grow back, but children

>>don't...why not just pull 'em out?????? 

>>



>Morning Glory is not poisonous. The seeds will make you hallucinate,

>though.



I've read through some of these replies to this question.  Morning

Glory seeds contain numerous alkaloids.  Most are related to the

lysergic acid amide family.  They are refered to as ergotamides

because some are exactly (and some very similar to) the compunds found

in ergot.  LSD (lysergic acid diethlyamide) is also in this family but

not found anywhere in nature.  The seeds in quantities of 50 or more

(usually much more) can induce an LSD-like state in an adult.  It

tends to be a more lethargic effect.  It is known that overconsumption

can cause kidney and liver damage as the body tries to elimanate the

compounds.  This is only from extreme use/abuse.  It is theorized that

they can cause ergotism.  This is the infamous St. Anthony's Fire

syndrome ala the Middle Ages from moldy bread.  It is because of the

ergot like compounds.  This has not been known to happen to anyone but

a small child could be at much greater risk.  The seeds are a strong

vasoconstrictor also lending danger to small ones.   I would strongly

urge you to teach your children about the dangers of any and all wild

plants.  The seeds are probably not nearly as toxic as some of your

houseplants.  Teach them keep all wild plant material out of their

mouth.  It is impossible to shield children from all of the dangers

found everywhere, from household chemicals to fire ants.  Teaching

them early about the danger areas might save lives and/or organs.

Morning Glories are beautiful and it would be ashamed if you destroyed

them because of the children.  "Poison" is an often abused term.

Alcohol is poison.   Some would argue with you however......

August West



"Some day I'll get up and fly away..."









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: Jackie Ramo <jramo@gbrownc.on.ca>

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 17:43:11 -0400



On Sun, 8 Sep 1996 herbalist@plant.kingdom wrote:



> 

> Since they are so little and plants grow back, but children

> don't...why not just pull 'em out?????? 





If we pulled them now seeds would scatter everywhere.  These are the 

"Dads" favourite flower and hence are all along the fences front and back.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Morning glory seeds

From: dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC)

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 23:05:21



Re: Morning glory seeds

 

> My neighbour has 2 toddlers and between our houses on the fence are 

> morning glories.  We know that this plant is poisonous but does anyone 

> know how many seeds a 1.3 year old would need to eat to be sick or worse?

> The children are watched at all times but with both (the other is 2.2) it 

> only take a second.  The flowers are going to seed now and 2 were taken 

> out of the smallest ones mouth today.  Next year it shouldn't be a 

> problem as the older one does not even bother.



     Try to put up some kind of barrier between the children and the morning

glories. While offhand i'm not sure of the amount of toxicity a few seeds can

provide - I know that a few dozen can provide hallucinations for an adult.

Keeping them away from them altogether is the best advice.



D`'

dol@alexus.cts.com  



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: jramo@gbrownc.on.ca

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:18:54 GMT



dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC) wrote:

>Re: Morning glory seeds

> 

>> My neighbour has 2 toddlers and between our houses on the fence are 

>> morning glories.  We know that this plant is poisonous but does

>> anyone know how many seeds a 1.3 year old would need to eat to be

>> sick or worse?

>> The children are watched at all times but with both (the other is

>> 2.2) it only take a second.  The flowers are going to seed now and 2

>> were taken out of the smallest ones mouth today.  Next year it

>> shouldn't be a  problem as the older one does not even bother.



>     Try to put up some kind of barrier between the children and the

>morning glories. While offhand i'm not sure of the amount of toxicity

>a few seeds can provide - I know that a few dozen can provide

>hallucinations for an adult. Keeping them away from them altogether is

>the best advice.



Just for the sake of accuracy -- the amount an adult would need to

ingest for psychoactive results is between 100 and 300, or more

accurately 5 to 10 grams (~27 grams = 1 oz).  Secondly, the active

component d-lysergic acid amide is "an akaloid derivative with

one-tenth the potency" of it's lab-made cousin LSD.  It is NOT

an hallucinigan but a psychedelic.  There *is* a difference between

hallucinations (seeing things that are not there) and a psychedelic

experience (very heightened and sometimes distorted perspetive).



In order to release the lycergic acid in the seeds, one would need

to "thoroughly chew" or brew a tea of the seeds, and the seeds are

REALLY hard.  So if a toddler did get a few seeds in his mouth

his teeth would most likely be too small to effectively chew them,

and it would take more than just a few seeds to produce any

psychoactive reaction, even for a toddler...



Also, different strains of morning glories have varied amounts;

most of the ones available on the market today are the lower potency

strains, so unless the original poster has 'heavenly blues' (pretty

hard to find but one of the strongest varieties) it would probably

take closer to 300 rather than closer to 100 seeds for an adult to

'get off.' A toddler of 25 pounds (farily average weight for a

1.5 year old) would need to THOROUGHLY CHEW AND SWALLOW approx 20

to 60 seeds. That's assuming that weight is a factor, which for

something like lysergic acid, which does all of its work on the

brain, might not be so much of a factor, but taking the conservative

approach here would be to assume that weight is a factor.



Any properly supervised toddler would certainly not have a chance to

get that many.  There are four seeds per pod; that would mean that a

toddler would have to break open at *least* 5 pods and get the seeds

of all five pods into his mouth.  Most toddlers I know do not have the

manual dexterity to do that with much accuracy and would spill half the

seeds.  So unless these kids are not watched at all or are super-kids,

really a blockade is probably an overreaction. 



The book below does not mention any inherent toxic components of

the plant itself.  It does discuss the possible reactions to

commercially bought seeds, which are often coated in poison to deter

people from ingesting them for drug purposes.  The seeds in question

here are from the plant after flowering, so there is no coating added.

Hence it is not an issue of poison, but only of the ingestion of the

psychoactive component. (This is a change from my previous post; I

had to go dig the book out, b/c it was in the basement, since it's

so well-read that it's falling apart, and we keep it down there, so

our own little one doesn't make it any worse.)



Source for dosage and preparation information: _Recreational Drugs_ by

Young, Young,  Klein, Klein and Beyer; Copyright 1977;

published by Macmillan Pulishing Co., Inc  of New York.  

Third addition for Berkeley Books, April 1979

(a very excellent, thorough and reliable book in regards to drugs).

--

Morning Glory



"Nature can provide for the needs of people; [she] can't provide for

the greeds of people."  - Mohandas K. Gandhi







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC)

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 04:37:32



Re: Re: Morning glory seeds

 

> >First of all, morning-glory plants are NOT poisonous. This was a rumor

> >and a lie started by the god-fearing republican folk to dissuade the

> >younger generation from using the seeds as an alternative to lsd.

> >Yes, morning-glory seeds contain a form of lysergic acid. (lsd is not

> >poison, it is not toxic, nobody has ever died from too much acid, only

> >what they did while unsupervised on acid, thinking they could fly,

> >etc. which is rare.)  However, the amount of seeds you have to ingest

> >is well beyond anything a curious 2 year old would put in their mouth.

> >I may be off the mark here, but it was something like 200-300 seeds

> >were needed to make an average dose of lsd. (don't quote me on this,

> >it might only be 100-150 seeds, for the real info, check out

> >www.hyperreal.com)  And needed to be extracted thru a complex process.

> >The seeds are VERY tough and must be ground up to get any of the lsd

> >out of them. I doubt that if your child even swallowed 50 seeds that

> >they'd get any effect from them. They'd pass right through their

> >digestive system without even cracking open.  

> >The other side of the coin is that there IS SOME truth behind

> >morning-glory seeds being poisonous. The ones you buy in the store for

> >planting ARE poisonous. They coat them with a chemical that makes you

> >vomit or get a tummy ache if you ingest them.  Again, PUTTING poison

> >on the seeds was another method the insecure, god-fearing republicans

> >thought up to keep anyone from finding out about new ways of thinking.

> >They fear anyone that might one day come to know more than they do.

> >Even if it's through a light acid-trip on morning-glory seeds.  They

> >would rather poison your child than have them experience a new way of

> >thinking or tell you the truth. How nice of them.



Heh.. Dude.. she was trying to keep her kids away from eating anything

poisonous. Yes, they ARE poisonous. The poison is what makes you 'trip.'

Though people and companies have been known to lace seeds - this is

different. Still, read up on the chemical make up of morning glories. 



-eD



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Morning glory seeds

From: awest@mail.net-connect.net (August West)

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 23:04:33 GMT



dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC) wrote:



>Re: Re: Morning glory seeds

> 

>> >First of all, morning-glory plants are NOT poisonous. This was a rumor

>> >and a lie started by the god-fearing republican folk to dissuade the

>> >younger generation from using the seeds as an alternative to lsd.

>> >Yes, morning-glory seeds contain a form of lysergic acid. (lsd is not

>> >poison, it is not toxic, nobody has ever died from too much acid, only

>> >what they did while unsupervised on acid, thinking they could fly,

>> >etc. which is rare.)  However, the amount of seeds you have to ingest

>> >is well beyond anything a curious 2 year old would put in their mouth.

>> >I may be off the mark here, but it was something like 200-300 seeds

>> >were needed to make an average dose of lsd. (don't quote me on this,

>> >it might only be 100-150 seeds, for the real info, check out

>> >www.hyperreal.com)  And needed to be extracted thru a complex process.

>> >The seeds are VERY tough and must be ground up to get any of the lsd

>> >out of them. I doubt that if your child even swallowed 50 seeds that

>> >they'd get any effect from them. They'd pass right through their

>> >digestive system without even cracking open.  

>> >The other side of the coin is that there IS SOME truth behind

>> >morning-glory seeds being poisonous. The ones you buy in the store for

>> >planting ARE poisonous. They coat them with a chemical that makes you

>> >vomit or get a tummy ache if you ingest them.  Again, PUTTING poison

>> >on the seeds was another method the insecure, god-fearing republicans

>> >thought up to keep anyone from finding out about new ways of thinking.

>> >They fear anyone that might one day come to know more than they do.

>> >Even if it's through a light acid-trip on morning-glory seeds.  They

>> >would rather poison your child than have them experience a new way of

>> >thinking or tell you the truth. How nice of them.



>Heh.. Dude.. she was trying to keep her kids away from eating anything

>poisonous. Yes, they ARE poisonous. The poison is what makes you 'trip.'

>Though people and companies have been known to lace seeds - this is

>different. Still, read up on the chemical make up of morning glories. 



>-eD



>Silverlake Computer Services Public Access BBS - (619) 224-1264



True enough, but the outer coat of MG seeds is very tough.  All of the

"poisons" are inside the seeds and unless the kids thought they were 

"jawbreakers" I doubt anything harmful would occur. If swallowed whole

they will be passed whole.  But is safer to err on the side of

caution....especially with little ones.  Teach your children well.....



August West



"Some day I'll get up and fly away..."









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: REQ: Bay Leaves

From: shelley@physics.utoronto.ca (Scott Shelley)

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 00:35:06 GMT



I have heard that Bay Leaves are an effective method to repel

cockroaches and insects.....is this true?  If so, how effective is it?

How do I use it?

Are there other herbs that I can use?



(I know that Lavender is traditionally used, but my roommate cannot

tolerate the scent).



thanks in advance, Teresa.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: REQ: Bay Leaves

From: schro@pipeline.com

Date: 6 Sep 1996 15:22:33 GMT



In article <DxACBx.GGq@info.physics.utoronto.ca>, Scott Shelley writes: 

 

>I have heard that Bay Leaves are an effective method to repel 

>cockroaches and insects.....is this true?  If so, how effective is it? 

>How do I use it? 

>Are there other herbs that I can use? 

> 

>(I know that Lavender is traditionally used, but my roommate cannot 

>tolerate the scent). 

> 

>thanks in advance, Teresa. 

 

I use to have a bad problem with ants so I finally tried bay leaves set out

in small bowls on either side of the sink (after trying everything else),

and haven't had a problem since. I'd never heard of it being used for ants,

but I can certainly recommend it. I'd always heard of lavender being an

insect repellant as well, but I once opened a bag of lav and it was filled

with all these creepy little bugs so I've been wary of its reputation ever

since. Tansy is also supposed to be good against flies and the like, but I

haven't tried it.  

 

Laure



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: REQ: Bay Leaves

From: dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 05:53:23



Re: Re: REQ: Bay Leaves

 

> I use to have a bad problem with ants so I finally tried bay leaves set out

> in small bowls on either side of the sink (after trying everything else),

> and haven't had a problem since. I'd never heard of it being used for ants,

> but I can certainly recommend it. I'd always heard of lavender being an

> insect repellant as well, but I once opened a bag of lav and it was filled

> with all these creepy little bugs so I've been wary of its reputation ever

> since. Tansy is also supposed to be good against flies and the like, but I

> haven't tried it.  



     Bay leaves worked well against ants in my trials. However, they love

creeping up my lavender's trunks. (yes, trunks. They're big) 



D`'



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: REQ: Bay Leaves

From: Sharon Litton <SharonLitton@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 22:20:09 -0500



I have been putting bay leaves in my bird seed for the last couple of 

months.  There are no longer bugs in the seed.....but don't feed the 

leaves to the birds!





Scott Shelley wrote:

> 

> I have heard that Bay Leaves are an effective method to repel

> cockroaches and insects.....is this true?  If so, how effective is it?

> How do I use it?

> Are there other herbs that I can use?

> 

> (I know that Lavender is traditionally used, but my roommate cannot

> tolerate the scent).

> 

> thanks in advance, Teresa.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: clove cigarettes

From: Bob <bob1116@pacbell.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 17:58:29 -0700



My daughter's boyfriend smokes clove cigarettes. Does anyone know if

there are any harmful side effects from doing this? Is there any kind of

high that would make it dangerous to drive afterwards?  Thanks!

DEBBI



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: clove cigarettes

From: rich <izzo@students.uiuc.edu>

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 00:14:13 -0500



> My daughter's boyfriend smokes clove cigarettes. Does anyone know if

> there are any harmful side effects from doing this? Is there any kind of

> high that would make it dangerous to drive afterwards?  Thanks!



Although I personally don't smoke cloves, I know a lot of people who do.  Cloves

are probably worse than tobacco.  Smoking too much of it will turn your lungs

into Swiss cheese.  If you don't mind coughing up blood, smoking cloves is

definitely the way to go.  





-- 



Richard A. Izzo, Pat Boone Lookalike

izzo@uiuc.edu			rizzo@prairienet.org			

University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign							

http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~izzo/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: clove cigarettes

From: James M Kocher <kocher+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Date: Fri,  6 Sep 1996 10:32:11 -0400



Smoking clove cigaretts also tends to induce pneumonia. 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: clove cigarettes

From: schro@pipeline.com

Date: 6 Sep 1996 15:44:31 GMT



In article <322FB325.236A@students.uiuc.edu>, rich writes: 

 

>> My daughter's boyfriend smokes clove cigarettes. Does anyone know if 

>> there are any harmful side effects from doing this? Is there any kind of



>> high that would make it dangerous to drive afterwards?  Thanks! 

> 

>Although I personally don't smoke cloves, I know a lot of people who do. 

Cloves 

>are probably worse than tobacco.  Smoking too much of it will turn your

lungs 

>into Swiss cheese.  If you don't mind coughing up blood, smoking cloves is



>definitely the way to go.   

> 

> 

>--  

> 

>Richard A. Izzo, Pat Boone Lookalike 

>izzo@uiuc.edu   rizzo@prairienet.org    

>University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign        

>http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~izzo/ 

> 

 

There's no high associated with clove cigs, but they are supposed to have

something like 20 times more tar than regular cigarettes. Ick. And they

smell so bad! 

 

Laure



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: clove cigarettes

From: ez047469@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Gary Thorn)

Date: 6 Sep 1996 19:48:27 GMT



From what I've heard, the dangers of smoking clove cigarettes (which is a

mixture of clove and tobacco) come from the clove's anesthetic properties.

Clove oil numbs tissues. The clove cigarette smoker must inhale more

deeply to feel like s/he has a lungful; this causes expansion of the

alveoli at the ends of the lungs to beyond capacity, often bursting in

many cases. This causes bleeding in the lungs and susceptibility to

infection, particularly pneumonia.



Habitually smoking clove cigarettes can be bad news.



--gt



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: clove cigarettes

From: elsewhere@not.here (Null Set)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 03:37:24 GMT



> In article <322FB325.236A@students.uiuc.edu>, rich writes: 

>  

> >> My daughter's boyfriend smokes clove cigarettes. Does anyone know if 

> >> there are any harmful side effects from doing this? Is there any kind of

> 

> >> high that would make it dangerous to drive afterwards?  Thanks! 





      I smoke cloves ocassionally.  I have heard that they do tend to

shred the lungs with frequent use.  That's why I only smoke them

ocassionally. That and they're really expensive(3-4x the price of regular

cigs).  As far as highs go.  I can catch a brief buzz from them, but it's

not enough to really affect driving.  If your daughter's boyfriend smokes

them regularly, he'll have a hard time catching much of a buzz at all.  I

wouldn't worry about it as far as his smoking goes, I'd worry about his

basic level of resposibility first.



Are you one, Herbert?

                                                 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: clove cigarettes

From: ufangel@aol.com (UFangel)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 03:11:32 -0400



Upon entering college, I decided to take up smoking (who knows) and didnt

like the taste of cigarettes, so I started smoking clove cigarettes (they

tasted really good, and everyone at the clubs I went to smoked them, so I

figured     Why not??)....I only smoked on the weekends, and would smoke

about 5 or so a day...this went on for about 6 years.  Finally, one day, I

realized that maybe the nasty cough I had been suffering from for the

previous year or so was related to the cigarettes (The cigarettes must

have affected my thinking abilities as well!!)   Anyway, after i quit, the

cough remained for about another year or so, and finally went away.  Ten

years later, I realize that smoking the cloves was probably one of the

dumbest things I ever did.....



angela



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: clove cigarettes

From: kle2@cornell.edu (Karen Edelstein)

Date: 10 Sep 1996 13:15:05 GMT



What he is smoking in clove cigarettes is mostly tobacco that is flavored

with clove oil, with few, if any solid cloves in the mix.  Not much needs

to be said about tobacco smoke that isn't common knowledge already.....in

addition, many brands of clove cigs. are filterless, and that may pose

further risks.



KLE



-- 

kle2@cornell.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: extracts substitute?

From: Cindy Pflugh <cindyp@axxess.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 20:08:50 -0600



Hi!

Hard question for me, Can I use a tinture of a herb(for shampoo, body

lotions, etc.)and incorporate into a recipe?  Will it be as strong as

an extract? (Beneficial) I understand that extracts are essential oils

w/ alcohol in a milder concentration than that of pure essential oils.

Or a tinture of high concentration of an herb. Is that right?

Its easier for me to keep tintures rather than keep dried herbs or

essential oils for a long period of time.  For those experiments and

such.  



!!!!I want to thank all those have answered my questions in the past 

while...!!!

Peace

cindyp@axxess.net

I saw fresh snow on the Tetons today!  Sept.6



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts Removal

From: cbach@arizona.edu (cheryl )

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:28:17 +0700





Two I have heard of - (a co-worker has actually used both of these with

her sons)



raw potato, ground up and placed on the wart

Vitamin C, ground up and placed on the wart





In article <841876549.2924@dejanews.com>, larry.tierney@sympatico.ca wrote:



*In article <4vb1qj$nbf@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>

<32214cda.8111763@news.navix.net>,

*    mk95528@navix.net (mk95528) wrote:

*> 

*> Try those little yellow mullein flowers. They are certainly in bloom

*> now on the skikes. Put a few on a bandaid and apply every day or

*> better yet a couple times a day for a couple days or a week. Depends

*> on how bad your situation is.

*> Everyone I have ever shared this with, it worked for them!

*> Margie

*> 

*> Try dandylion milk, my older sister says it works, you squeeze the milk

*> from a dandylion on the wart and let it soak in. Do this for several days

*> till the wart disappears.

*> Maria

-- 

cbach@arizona.edu

cheryl bach

university of arizona

***all my relations***



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts Removal

From: ufangel@aol.com (UFangel)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 03:00:15 -0400



Some of my co-workers say to cut open a raw potato and rub it on the wart,

and then bury the potato, and the wart will disappear.  (what burying the

potato has to do with anything, I dont know.....but who am I to argue with

long standing "country" remedies!!)



angela



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts Removal

From: grabec@aol.com (GraBec)

Date: 11 Sep 1996 02:52:20 -0400



Would any of these remedies work for moles?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts Removal

From: canaltwo@aol.com (Canaltwo)

Date: 13 Sep 1996 13:02:03 -0400



In article <515nj4$d49@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, grabec@aol.com (GraBec)

writes:



>Would any of these remedies work for moles?



You need a mole trap to get rid of moles; however, if you harvest enough

of them you can make an excellent batch of molasses.  :>)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts Removal

From: ravendncr@aol.com (RAVENDNCR)

Date: 13 Sep 1996 21:21:52 -0400



<<You need a mole trap to get rid of moles; however, if you harvest enough

of them you can make an excellent batch of molasses.  :>)>>



::::smacking Canalt with feather:::::::::::::



and if you add raven feathers you get black molasses, with or without the

strap

: p



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Anybody need kuthmithi, (Withania somnifera)??

From: rag3@alltel.net

Date: 6 Sep 1996 04:05:00 GMT



If you have a use for the roots, leaves, or seeds please e-mail

me. rag3@alltel.net

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: "Herb/Health Sites"

From: bw@teleport.com (bw)

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 96 04:06:14 GMT



Hello:



I've put together some links for herbs and health at the following site:



http://www.teleport.com/~bw/health.html



I'd appreciate you having a look, and please let me know if you know of others 

which should be added.



Kind Regards,



Bernie Wilt





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Warts

From: "Anthony Karcz" <aak7268@garnet.fsu.edu>

Date: 6 Sep 1996 04:15:27 GMT





I've been trying to get rid of a rather stubborn wart on my finger for

about a year now and over-the-counter acids only work for a short period of

time (or until I get tired of using them!)  I've been to doctors to get

plantar's warts removed before and don't wish to go through the pain or

expense with this.  Does anyone know of a non-intrusive way to get rid of

warts (or even an intrusive one that's an acceptable alternative to dousing

my fingers with acid!).  





-- 

Anthony Karcz

aak7268@garnet.acns.fsu.edu

"What a peculiar monolouge"



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts

From: schro@pipeline.com

Date: 6 Sep 1996 15:38:02 GMT



In article <01bb9baa$76f16de0$6302c992@fsu.edu.fsu.edu>, Anthony Karcz

writes: 

 

> 

>I've been trying to get rid of a rather stubborn wart on my finger for 

>about a year now and over-the-counter acids only work for a short period

of 

>time (or until I get tired of using them!)  I've been to doctors to get 

>plantar's warts removed before and don't wish to go through the pain or 

>expense with this.  Does anyone know of a non-intrusive way to get rid of 

>warts (or even an intrusive one that's an acceptable alternative to

dousing 

>my fingers with acid!).   

> 

> 

>--  

>Anthony Karcz 

>aak7268@garnet.acns.fsu.edu 

>"What a peculiar monolouge" 

> 

 

My father and uncle finally talked me into trying their backwoods method,

and it works. Stick a sterilized sewing needle just through the top of the

wart (there's no nerve endings, and it doesn't hurt), then put a match to

one end of the needle 'til its heat reaches the wart. The wart will just

fade away, takes maybe a couple of weeks and leaves no scar. I don't think

this would work with plantar's warts though because of the lack of dead

skin. My brother was afraid of the needle trick, so they used a paste of

baking soda on his, and that worked, too. But, I don't think they were

plantar's warts, so I don't know if they'd work on those, too.  

 

Laure



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: schro@pipeline.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts

From: Gary Schorr <gss12@columbia.edu>

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 09:02:10 -0400



Try vitamin E.  My son had a wart on his toe.  I put Vitamin E on it

several times a day for about two weeks.  I put a bandaid on, soaked with

E so that it wouldn't rub off. The wart (which was quite large) shrank,

turned black, fell out and left smooth skin with a bit of a crater which

filled in in a few days. My neighbor found similar results.

Good luck.

					Linda





On 6 Sep 1996 schro@pipeline.com wrote:



> In article <01bb9baa$76f16de0$6302c992@fsu.edu.fsu.edu>, Anthony Karcz

> writes: 

>  

> > 

> >I've been trying to get rid of a rather stubborn wart on my finger for 

> >about a year now and over-the-counter acids only work for a short period

> of 

> >time (or until I get tired of using them!)  I've been to doctors to get 

> >plantar's warts removed before and don't wish to go through the pain or 

> >expense with this.  Does anyone know of a non-intrusive way to get rid of 

> >warts (or even an intrusive one that's an acceptable alternative to

> dousing 

> >my fingers with acid!).   

> > 

> > 

> >--  

> >Anthony Karcz 

> >aak7268@garnet.acns.fsu.edu 

> >"What a peculiar monolouge" 

> > 

>  

> My father and uncle finally talked me into trying their backwoods method,

> and it works. Stick a sterilized sewing needle just through the top of the

> wart (there's no nerve endings, and it doesn't hurt), then put a match to

> one end of the needle 'til its heat reaches the wart. The wart will just

> fade away, takes maybe a couple of weeks and leaves no scar. I don't think

> this would work with plantar's warts though because of the lack of dead

> skin. My brother was afraid of the needle trick, so they used a paste of

> baking soda on his, and that worked, too. But, I don't think they were

> plantar's warts, so I don't know if they'd work on those, too.  

>  

> Laure

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:54:39 +0100



In article <01bb9baa$76f16de0$6302c992@fsu.edu.fsu.edu>, Anthony Karcz

<aak7268@garnet.fsu.edu> writes

>

>I've been trying to get rid of a rather stubborn wart on my finger for

>about a year now and over-the-counter acids only work for a short period of

>time (or until I get tired of using them!)  I've been to doctors to get

>plantar's warts removed before and don't wish to go through the pain or

>expense with this.  Does anyone know of a non-intrusive way to get rid of

>warts (or even an intrusive one that's an acceptable alternative to dousing

>my fingers with acid!).  

>

>



Well an old folk remedy is to rub the wart with raw meat, bury the meat

in the garden, as it decomposses so douse your wart. It works, I have

been told its psychologiacal, but as long as the warts disapear who

cares.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Anthony Karcz <aak7268@garnet.fsu.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts

From: Sue & Ted <huesken@uscom.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:40:05 -0400



Hi,

 

> I've been trying to get rid of a rather stubborn wart on my finger for

> about a year now and over-the-counter acids only work for a short period of

> time (or until I get tired of using them!)



	Have you tried tea tree oil? It takes a few weeks of dabbing

every day. 

		Sue



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts

From: c1304@ezl.com (Carolynn Butler)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:20:40 GMT



Sue & Ted <huesken@uscom.com> wrote:



>Hi,

> 

>> I've been trying to get rid of a rather stubborn wart on my finger for

>> about a year now and over-the-counter acids only work for a short period of

>> time (or until I get tired of using them!)



>	Have you tried tea tree oil? It takes a few weeks of dabbing

>every day. 

>		Sue



Hi Sue



Where would you be able to buy tea tree oil in the States?  I had a

wart removed from my forehead several years ago  by laser but it has

returned and I need something to get rid of it.  Would appricate any

help.  Thank You.



Carol Butler

c1304@ezl.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts

From: Starrz

Date: 17 Sep 1996 18:18:02 -0700



c1304@ezl.com (Carolynn Butler) wrote:



>Sue & Ted <huesken@uscom.com> wrote:



>>Hi,

>> 

>>> I've been trying to get rid of a rather stubborn wart on my finger for

>>> about a year now and over-the-counter acids only work for a short period of

>>> time (or until I get tired of using them!)



>>	Have you tried tea tree oil? It takes a few weeks of dabbing

>>every day. 

>>		Sue



>Hi Sue



>Where would you be able to buy tea tree oil in the States?  I had a

>wart removed from my forehead several years ago  by laser but it has

>returned and I need something to get rid of it.  Would appricate any

>help.  Thank You.



>Carol Butler

>c1304@ezl.com

Vitamin C!!!   It does work.   I've *had* warts on my feet and hands

and I took mega doses of chewable vitamin C wafers.  I ate them like

candy -- maybe one wafer every hour or so all day long.  My warts

disappeared in about 3 - 4 days and haven't been back since.  Of

course, I still take vitamin C as well as E on a daily basis.



MB   starrz@primenet.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:45:10 -0500



In article <51hebt$4cl@ns1.ccinet.net>, c1304@ezl.com (Carolynn Butler) wrote:



> Sue & Ted <huesken@uscom.com> wrote:

> 

> >Hi,

> > 

> >> I've been trying to get rid of a rather stubborn wart on my finger for

> >> about a year now and over-the-counter acids only work for a short period of

> >> time (or until I get tired of using them!)

> 

> >       Have you tried tea tree oil? It takes a few weeks of dabbing

> >every day. 

> >               Sue

> 

> Hi Sue

> 

> Where would you be able to buy tea tree oil in the States?  I had a

> wart removed from my forehead several years ago  by laser but it has

> returned and I need something to get rid of it.  Would appricate any

> help.  Thank You.

> 

> Carol Butler

> c1304@ezl.com





You can use vinager and water too. As for tee tree oil we sell it here at

Southernwood herbals and gifts. For a free catalog email us your address.

thank you. Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts

From: "J. Judd Harbin" <jharbin@ocean.st.usm.edu>

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 16:40:56 -0700



> I've been trying to get rid of a rather stubborn wart on my finger for

> about a year now and over-the-counter acids only work for a short period of

> time (or until I get tired of using them!)



I had one of those about ten years ago. A friend of my mother suggested that

we try apply vitamin E oil directly to the wart AND taking extra doses of E

daily. You can buy vitamin E oil in any pharmacy or pretty much wherever you 

buy vitamins. I think that I was taking 400 I.U. of E orally along with the 

12,000 I.U. oil that I was putting on the wart. Anyway, the warts (which were

pretty big by then because nothing had worked) went away completely in about

two weeks. I "painted" the warts generously with the oil in the morning and 

again in the afternoon. 



Good luck!

Judd



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts

From: "Danielle DeFalco Ellis" <support@abtpharmaceutical.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:36:01 -0500



I too had a stubborn wart that would not go away for several years.  I

used one of those vitamin E capsules.  Basically I gently punctured the

capsule and dabbed the vitamin E on the wart twice a day.  In

Approximately two weeks it was gone.  (Just in time for my wedding.)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warts

From: Shannon Brophy <shannon@yoga.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:05:09 -0400



I have tried the Vitamin E treatment with some success. I put a bandaid

over the oil at night as I sleep. Those tiny circular bandages are

perfect. Celandine is an herb you find in weedpatches. It has an orange

liquid which you can squeeze onto the wart every day. The herb is

poisonous internally unless you know what you are doing. (It is used to 

for liver cleansing internally.) Homeopathic Thuja is often helpful for

warts, especially if the symptom picture follows a pattern of "Thuja".

There is a cream for external application, or you can take Thuja

internally safely. Consult a homeopath or book to find out if it or

another remedy is for you. 



Hope this helps!



-- 

Shannon B.

midwife

_____________________________________________________________________

 For information on Yoga, Massage and Bodywork, and Natural Healing  

               or to browse Holistic Products to order

      visit the Roots & Wings Website at http://www.yoga.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Newsgroup included

From: eboka@aol.com (Eboka)

Date: 6 Sep 1996 00:21:10 -0400



The Ibogaine web page has been redesigned.  The page is strange in that

the content to some extent comes from NDA International, the corporation

attempting to make the anti-addictive available through regulatory

agencies, while there is somewhat of a completely independent medical

editor  (Michael Bosman) and a service provider (Desk.nl) that that

donates the web page and good cheer.  



We never know what to expect when informed changes are coming and would

appreciate comments from one and all.  One surprise is that the links that

had previously been between web pages now include newsgroups.



In the United States the Beyond 2000 television series will broadcast an

Ibogaine segment on the Friday, September 6th program at 7:00 PM (same

time everywhere)



(http://www.Ibogaine.Desk.nl)    url address



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Those creepy spiders! Help!

From: ravenwhisp@aol.com (RavenWhisp)

Date: 6 Sep 1996 01:15:06 -0400



Hi...I would like to know if anyone has a natural, herbal, non-pesticide

way of getting rid of spiders in the house. I have a very old house with a

very old basement, this is where I think they are coming from. I heard

that Osage Oranges collected in the fall and placed around will keep

spiders at bay, but I don't have a way of getting any. I would greatly

appreciate all the help I could get with any natural form of spider

deterent. Thanks.

Please send me email, as I don't get much time on here.

RavenWhisp@aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: ravenwhisp@aol.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Those creepy spiders! Help!

From: "Thomas H. Zyrkowski" <Osiris120@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 6 Sep 1996 05:51:52 GMT



Spiders are your friends!  (only kidding)



I'm posting cause I live in a very old house also (1852) and like yours has 

a damp, musty basement. I leave the spiders alone because thay do a great 

job of controling the centipedes and ants. I havent used anything on them, 

however, I have heard boric acid is effective against ants, roaches and 

other insects. Another ant fighter is ceyenne pepper sprinkled around. 

Again I can't say whether it would work on spiders, but I know a good shot 

of Lysol, or Pine sol usually keeps them away for a while. Also, insects 

hate fresh paint and will usually stay away until the paint is good and 

dry. I'll take the spiders any day over the centipedes





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Those creepy spiders! Help!

From: wolfgang <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 21:22:46 -0700



Thomas H. Zyrkowski wrote:

> Spiders are your friends!  (only kidding)

> job of controling the centipedes and ants. I havent used anything on them,

> however, I have heard boric acid is effective against ants, roaches and

> other insects. Another ant fighter is ceyenne pepper sprinkled around.



If you really want to get rid of those critters, not just shooing them

away, you can use *diatomaceous earth*. This stuff really works well,

its organic, no chemical and keeps those little critters out of the

house.



Wolfgang

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If your life includes MIGRAINE-ARTHRITIS-STRESS pain - try:

http://www.jens.com/business/wolfgang/ - Create a great day !

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                   --The Way of the Wizard --



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: new to the group

From: "Thomas H. Zyrkowski" <Osiris120@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 6 Sep 1996 05:41:55 GMT



Hi folks!

     It's great to see a newsgroup of this "nature". I'm a firm believer in 

the power of herbs. I'd like to know where I could d'load some clipart of 

plants. If anyone could be of assistance, I'd be grateful. Keep up the good 

work.

               Tom Z.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Mailing List

From: Herbal@Mail.List

Date: 06 Sep 1996 13:26:47



Does anyone know of an herbal mailing list?

If so, could you please post the subscribe information.

Thank you.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cat hair balls?

From: schro@pipeline.com

Date: 6 Sep 1996 15:54:18 GMT



 

My cat, Alice B. Schrodinger, or Schro as she prefers to be known, is an

indoor cat (like vet's recommend), so has quite a problem with hair balls.

I give her mineral oil, but I don't like to think of all the vitamins she

loses that way. Can anyone recommend a healthier alternative? Cod liver oil

or something? 

 

TIA, Laure



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat hair balls?

From: McKinley Richard <alright@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:46:42 +0000



schro@pipeline.com wrote:

> 

> 

> My cat, Alice B. Schrodinger, or Schro as she prefers to be known, is an

> indoor cat (like vet's recommend), so has quite a problem with hair balls.

> I give her mineral oil, but I don't like to think of all the vitamins she

> loses that way. Can anyone recommend a healthier alternative? Cod liver oil

> or something?

> 

> TIA, Laure

I've heard that grazing in grass is good too. My indoor cats have 

their own pot of grass and don't seem to have any hairball problems.

Sandra



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herb supplier

From: davidj49@postoffice.ptd.net (Dave)

Date: 6 Sep 1996 19:56:31 GMT



Hi



We are looking for a supplier of various dried herbs....  



http://www.trackman.com/simonq    email to  simonq@prolog.net



Thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gall Bladder Problems?

From: raerts@mail.idt.net

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 23:11:53 GMT



A  good friend is having trouble with her gall bladder.  Any

suggestions for aromatheraphy and/or herbal relief?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gall Bladder Problems?

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 23:23:27 GMT



On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 23:11:53 GMT, raerts@mail.idt.net wrote:



>A  good friend is having trouble with her gall bladder.  Any

>suggestions for aromatheraphy and/or herbal relief?



One of the side effects of gluten intolerance (aka celiac disease) can be

gall bladder problems. A survey of diagnosed celiacs in Canada found that

9% had been diagnosed with such problems before finding out their celiac

diagnosis.



If this is the cause of your problem the solution, a gluten-free diet, is

alternative.



For more information on gluten intolerance this page points to all Net

resources:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gall Bladder Problems?

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:05:15 -0500







> On Fri, 06 Sep 1996 23:11:53 GMT, raerts@mail.idt.net wrote:

> 

> >A  good friend is having trouble with her gall bladder.  Any

> >suggestions for aromatheraphy and/or herbal relief?

> 

My daughter is experiencing problems with her gb, too. She has been 

checked by the MD for infection and that's not the problem. She has 3 or 

4 rather large stones. 



She stays on a very low fat diet, and takes the juice of 1/2 lime (she is 

particularly fond of limes, lemons would work as well) every morning and 

every evening before bed. The idea is that if she raises the level of 

acid in the stomach, the gb is less likely to contract to expel bile and 

therefore less likely to hurt. 



She will eventually have to have surgery, but for now she is okay. 



Cissy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mail-ordering Kava.

From: mgrossm@dolphin.upenn.edu (Matthew Ariel Grossman)

Date: 7 Sep 1996 02:48:44 GMT



	I have heard a lot about the relaxing effects of kava, and would 

like to purchase some.  Unfortunately, the kava commercially 

available in my area is non-standardized for potency, and therefore 

unrelaible.  I am interested in purchasing kava by mail.  Does anyone out 

there have first-hand experience with mail-order kava or kava extracts?



						Cheers,

						   Matt G.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: There's an aromatherapy mailing list

From: steven@idma.com (Steven Katz)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 96 03:49:59 GMT



To subscribe, send mail to

        listserv@idma.com

and in the body of the message put

        subscribe aromatherapy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Working night shifts -- help!

From: asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova)

Date: 7 Sep 96 04:00:31 GMT



Dear all,



I just started working night shifts and feel very stressed. Are there any 

supplements or herbs that might make it easier?



Thanks a lot in advance for your suggestions!



Ari







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: David Blake <dblake@phy.ucsf.edu>

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 09:34:54 -0700



ariadna a solovyova wrote:

> I just started working night shifts and feel very stressed. Are there any

> supplements or herbs that might make it easier?



Try using a really really bright light at work. There is a strong

effect of bright light on our daily cycles.



-- 

Dave Blake

dblake@phy.ucsf.edu

http://www.keck.ucsf.edu/~dblake



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: dchunt@mail.crosslink.net (Daniel Hunt)

Date: 8 Sep 1996 02:53:21 GMT



In article <asolovyo.842068831@silver>, asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu 

says...

>

>Dear all,

>

>I just started working night shifts and feel very stressed. Are there any 

>supplements or herbs that might make it easier?

>

>Thanks a lot in advance for your suggestions!

>

>Ari

>



I, myself, have worked rotating shifts for the last eight years.  (And I'm

now looking for a day job somewhere, in electronics.)  I've found that the

best way to cope is, first of all, a good diet. (Though I don't always 

get that.)  Then on top of that, I take a well-balanced multi-vitamin/mineral 

supplement and also B-complex.  Look for supplements whose vitamins have 

similar RDA levels.  (i.e. 2000% of one of the B's and 20% of another is not 

good.)  Stress depletes the B's, and others, probably.  Also, in the 

multiple, zinc and copper should have equal RDA levels.  There are other 

things to look for which I can't recall at the moment but those are a couple 

of the main points.



Oh yeah, don't forget to get supplements which actually get digested.  You'd

be surprised how many brands are like rocks in the gut.





- Dan Hunt of King George, Va.













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: thompson@prysm.net (Rebecca Thompson)

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:53:09 GMT



In a similar vein, I'll be working twenty-four hour shifts with no

guarantee of breaks or lunch (I will be working in EMS) what kind of

alternatives to coffee do I have?  I know there are times when I will

be able to get some sleep, but I have to still be listening for my

ambulance number for calls.  Heh, no wonder ems people always are

eating fast food.







thompson@prysm.net



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  Each thing in its place is best;

And what seems but idle show  

  Strengthens and supports the rest."

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: Chris Pittman <cap2@sprynet.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 18:45:01 -0400



> My suggestion is not to use supplements as a source for energy because

> supplements are synthasized.



Are you telling us that all supplements are synthesized?  Where?  From

what?



Chris



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: "Giovanni Mendicino (Computer Operator)" <CCMG000@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA>

Date: 08 SEP 96 19:01:11 EST







 I also work rotating shifts, when I work the Night-Shift, no matter

 how much I sleep, I still feel like a Zombie. Usually I do not eat

 in the middle of the night when I work this shift to not disturb my

 my digesting system. I get home in the morning have a good breakfast

 go to bed, wake up at 4 PM. I would think a good Multi-Vitamin and

 lots of fresh air is also good to offset the stress of shift-work.







Giovanni







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Chris Pittman <cap2@sprynet.com>

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: "Edwin . Posner" <e_posner@hamlet.uncg.edu>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 19:17:40 -0400



ddplastic, at one time was snubbed at , and some predicted it's use would

be

short lived . synthetic doesn't mean bad or toxic. i have been using

supplements for many, many years for source of energy with no ill effects.

natural vitamins are designed to jack up the price w, which is done.

ed



On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Chris Pittman wrote:



> > My suggestion is not to use supplements as a source for energy because

> > supplements are synthasized.

> 

> Are you telling us that all supplements are synthesized?  Where?  From

> what?

> 

> Chris

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: gjs@prophet.pharm.pitt.edu (Greg Szekeres)

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:42:12



In article <asolovyo.842068831@silver> asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova) writes:

 >From: asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova)

 >Subject: Working night shifts -- help!

 >Date: 7 Sep 96 04:00:31 GMT

 

 >Dear all,

 

 >I just started working night shifts and feel very stressed. Are there any 

 >supplements or herbs that might make it easier?

 

 >Thanks a lot in advance for your suggestions!

 

 >Ari

 

Well it takes a few days to adjust. For me it used to take up to

six or seven days. And then I had to switch shifts!  That was many

years ago and it would probably be harder now. Diet may be seconday

to learning WHEN to eat. Some exercise should be necessary. Quite, dark,

undisturbed daytime sleep is essential, unless you can sleep on shift.

It's a pitty that so few people realize how many people do this kind

of thing and how important their jobs are to the safety of everyone else. 

Since they don't pay much extra for these highly stressed lifestyles

don't stay there too long or you will wind up dead.



greg





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: chz29@pcisys.net (Clay Hyink)

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:09:09 GMT



I'm with ya! Melatonin has been very effective for me to sleep good

during the day and be refreshed for the shift. Try sleeping your 8

hours or whatever right before you go into work. Also, make sure you

eat 3 meals, even though they'll be at odd times. No energy = saggy

eyes and a tough shift.

asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova) wrote:



>Dear all,



>I just started working night shifts and feel very stressed. Are there any 

>supplements or herbs that might make it easier?



>Thanks a lot in advance for your suggestions!



>Ari











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: cam@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)

Date: 10 Sep 1996 17:24:28 GMT



In article <50v6jk$21l@master.ftn.net> susie@ftn.net writes:



>My suggestion is not to use supplements as a source for energy because

>supplements are synthasized.  I recommened eating Super Blue Algae



>It naturally penetrates the brain blood

>barrier (something in which the medical industry is trying to achieve

>but has failed  ie: prozac, ridelen)  and it also naturally penetrates

>the nervous system.  (the only known substance to penetrate the

>nervous system is caffeine)  The seal wall of the Algae is pure

>glycogene (starch)  which penetrates your kidneys naturally which is

>the only source of obtaining energy.



Has anyone else noticed that these Super Blue Green Algae posts contain

an extraordinary amount of nonsense? Almost every sentence contains at

least one error of fact. One presumes that those posting these messages

are themselves consumers of the product. Could it be that it causes

brain damage?



Chris Malcolm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: dchunt@mail.crosslink.net (Daniel Hunt)

Date: 12 Sep 1996 02:12:32 GMT



In article <asolovyo.842068831@silver>, asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu 

says...

>

>Dear all,

>

>I just started working night shifts and feel very stressed. Are there any 

>supplements or herbs that might make it easier?

>

>Thanks a lot in advance for your suggestions!

>

>Ari

>

>



One thing which may help your energy levels while working, yet not

prevent you from catching a nap when time permits, is ginseng.

It is an adaptogen, helping your body deal with forms of stress, 

such as mental and physical stress. (helps boost your energy levels

when you need it) Yet it doesn't give you a stimulant "buzz", so

it doesn't prevent you from relasing.  



Be sure to get a quality product.  Not all ginseng supplements are

created equal (just as with vitamins).  They should be tested

for ginsenocides it should have. The HPLC (High-Performance Liquid

Chromatography) test will reveal the levels of this phytochemical,

or lack thereof.



"That's all I have to say about that."



- Dan Hunt of King George









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: wade@uabcomm.comm.uab.edu (Wade Woodward)

Date: 12 Sep 1996 17:15:48 GMT



>>Dear all,

>>

>>I just started working night shifts and feel very stressed. Are there any 

>>supplements or herbs that might make it easier?

>>

>>Thanks a lot in advance for your suggestions!

>>

>>Ari

>>

Hey now!

  I worked third shift for a little over 5 years. Here is what I found 

to help me out:

  1) Realize that your body will have to adjust. However, it will NEVER

     adjust fully. That is not saying you can't do it, and do it fine.

     Just realize that it is not natural. It took me about 2-3 months

     to really feel like I was on a routine. I did okay the first couple

     of weeks, but I think my body was in stress mode rather than "doing

     okay". 

  2) It is VERY important to get your sleep. Pitch black room is the only

     way to get the best of sleep. Also, tell your friends and family

     what is okay for you and what is not okay for you. My friends never

     quite got it right (ie, they called when I was asleep ALL the time)

     Finally I had to turn the ringer off and put the answering machine

     down stairs. Get a noise maker of some kind to help drown out the

     "day" sounds.

  3) Eating right. A basic key to success. In my experience I lost weight

     because I never quite felt like eating. After I learned when to eat

     "breakfast""lunch"and "dinner" I did okay. Stay away from caffeine 

     (during the day) and sweets. Eat healthy.

  4) I had a warm cup of tea every morning I got home. Chamomile based teas

     work good (for example "sleepytime" by celestial seasonings). There

     are many good teas out there.

  5) I am basically holistic, and have several things I routinely ingest.

     Melatonin products are good. Ginseng is not all created equal...be

     picky. I like Red Clover/Goldenseal root among others for helping

     keep me "pure". I've been taking something recently that I like to 

     help keep me...well, regular. It is called "nature's tea" it has:

     Senna leaf, Buckthorn bark, Peppermint, Caa Inhem, Uva Ursi leaf,

     Orange Peel, Rose hips, Althea root, honeysuckle and chamomile in

     it.....good grief. ANYWAY, there are many products out there that

     are formulated these days. You don't have to be a botanist. Just

     take stuff slow at first, and ask lotsa questions. 

   6)Think long term, not quick fix. Be natural and try to stay natural.



Hope this long winded post helps you some. I just remember what a struggle

it was for me at first. GOOD LUCK! email me if you wanna.

see ya!!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Working night shifts -- help!

From: vdgraaf@netland.nl (rolphe v.d. graaf)

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:52:13 GMT



asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova) wrote:



>Dear all,



>I just started working night shifts and feel very stressed. Are there any 

>supplements or herbs that might make it easier?



Most people who work shifts fight the situation ,they drink a lot of

coffee and don't sleep enough.

Basicly I do the following ,if I wake in the early afternoon eat very

light ,then eat dinner at the time you normaly do ,if you wake near to

the time you would normaly dine just drink tea.coffee and then diner

I know this seems strange ,but millions of people is eating kind of

dinner food in the morning and once you did this a couple of times

you get used to it and you won't disturb your household .and if you

switch back to another shift you don't have to adjust your eating

times.

Stop eating and drinking about 2 hours before going to sleep ,sleep in

a very dark room and if noisy plug your ears.

Sometimes you can 'cover' noise by T.V. radio(soft of cause) or a

ventilator

Disliking night shift is only because many people say so and has

something to do with money ,you never hear complaining people

who earn good at night ,also when we go out and come back home late

besides of drinking to much we don't feel ill ,why ? ,we like that .



Have a nice shift  

Grx  Rolphe





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: horehound candy

From: Geoffrey and Mary Orr <gorr@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 04:17:21 -0400



Could someone share a recipe for horehound candy?  Please email me 

privately since I don't visit the usegroup site regularly.



Also, does someone have a source for horehound?



I am preparing a living history presentation and would like to have 

horehound to share with the public.



Thanks.



Mary Orr

gorr@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: horehound candy

From: sellers@psyber.com (Best Sellers)

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 15:19:47 GMT



Geoffrey and Mary Orr <gorr@ix.netcom.com> thought hard

about this before writing:



>Could someone share a recipe for horehound candy?  Please email me 

>privately since I don't visit the usegroup site regularly.



>Also, does someone have a source for horehound?



>I am preparing a living history presentation and would like to have 

>horehound to share with the public.



Try writng the Lion House, SLC, Utah.  They have a constnat

supply of horehound candy for their tour of Brigham Young's

home.  I don't know if they would charge anything (I doubt

it) for the recipe, but hteyMUST have a supply of horehound.



______

To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of 

opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. (1777)



I have sworn on the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of 

tyranny over the mind of man. (1800)  Thomas Jefferson



Whenever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found 

state education. It has been discovered that the best way to insure 

implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery. (1874) 

Benjamin Disraeli



Le





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: horehound candy

From: JWell@cwo.com

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 05:18:18 GMT



Geoffrey and Mary Orr <gorr@ix.netcom.com> lovingly lightly touched

ink to paper and wrote:



>Could someone share a recipe for horehound candy?  Please email me 

>privately since I don't visit the usegroup site regularly.



I looked and looked knowing I had a book somewhere..and probably the

recipe to boot!  This is what I call sharing...I had the unfortunate

experience of asking for help with aromatherapy blends on that NG..and

got blasted and knocked down for asking...although others asked and

got information.. anyway...here is the recipe..fromJude's Herbal Home

Remedies..by Jude C. Williams, M.H.



choose any herb you want...color with food colring if desired. this is

the recipe and any herb can be used...the typos are mine..if they are

really bad i will correct..otherwise...forget it :) 



simmer 1 C horehound leaves and 1 T of balm of Gilead in 1 pint of wtr

for about 15 min. (use purified water ok?) strain and add 2 C sugar.

(How about sucanat? or brown sugar? or honey???) careful with the

honey tho...it makes the consistency different...boil until mixture

spins a thread as it comes off the spoon. Drop by t, into cold wter to

form the cough drops. remove the cough drops from the water

immediately. you can roll th ecough drops in xxx sugar after draining

off the wtr. this wil keep then from sticking to ea other. place in

tightly sealed container. as this lady says...as you prepare the

mistures, you will become more familiar with the properties of the

herbs. the only way to learn anything is the hands-on approach. don't

just talk the talk..walk the walk and become acquainted with the herbs

thru practical use.



hope this helps..I'm going to bed now..<g>









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: someone must know!

From: Cindy Pflugh <cindyp@axxess.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 08:10:03 -0600



Cindy Pflugh wrote:

> 

> Hi!

> Hard question for me, Can I use a tinture of a herb(for shampoo, body

> lotions, etc.)and incorporate into a recipe?  Will it be as strong as

> an extract? (Beneficial) I understand that extracts are essential oils

> w/ alcohol in a milder concentration than that of pure essential oils.

> Or a tinture of high concentration of an herb. Is that right?

> Its easier for me to keep tintures rather than keep dried herbs or

> essential oils for a long period of time.  For those experiments and

> such.

> 

> !!!!I want to thank all those have answered my questions in the past

> while...!!!

> Peace

> cindyp@axxess.net

> I saw fresh snow on the Tetons today!  Sept.6



I wrote the above question and didn't have any response.  I thought

If I changed the name of it I would find an answer.

Thanks again



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: someone must know!

From: meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY)

Date: 8 Sep 1996 06:21:49 GMT



In <3231823B.4349@axxess.net> Cindy Pflugh <cindyp@axxess.net> writes: 

>

>Cindy Pflugh wrote:

>> 

>> Hi!

>> Hard question for me, Can I use a tinture of a herb(for shampoo,

>>body lotions, etc.)and incorporate into a recipe?  Will it be as 

>> strong as an extract? (Beneficial) I understand that extracts are

>>essential oils w/ alcohol in a milder concentration than that of pure

essential oils.

>> Or a tinture of high concentration of an herb. Is that right?

>> Its easier for me to keep tintures rather than keep dried herbs or

>> essential oils for a long period of time.  For those experiments and

>> such.



>I wrote the above question and didn't have any response.  I thought

>If I changed the name of it I would find an answer.

>Thanks again



I don't know what extracts are, I have always assumed they pressed the

herb and then preserved the liquid somehow, but that's a wild guess. 

Tinctures are made with alcohol/water combination and I don't know if

you would want to have that in recipies for shampoo or skin products.  



I'm not sure what recipies you want to make.  To preserve herbs I want

to use for skin purposes I make herbal oils using olive oil.  You can't

do this with all herbs, though, because in some herbs the medicine is

not oil-soluble.  I do this with st john's wort, calendula, cottonwood

bud, plantain, rosemary. 



Michael Moore describes this amazing method of making oils with herbs

that aren't oil-soluble.  First you make a tincture and then you go

through this process of making it into oil.  He describes how to do it

with Oregon Grape.  It's in his book Medicinal Plants of the Pacific

West on page 25 (first edition-I don't know if there are more

editions).



Rosemary Gladstar makes some great pamphlets full of recipies and one

of them is about skin care. 



Hope this helps!



Meadow



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Looking for help please!!

From: bill.veltman@icis.on.ca (Bill Veltman)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 17:55:01 GMT



Hi All.  I am in desperate need of some help here.



Lately my grandfather had been diagnosed with Prostate cancer.  They

did an operation hoping to remove the cancer, but they just recently

got a report back from the doctor saying that there is some cancer in

his bones.  Obviously they didn't get it all.



I have been doing some extensive reading on Essiac, and from what I

can tell, this is quite an amazing product.  What I'm wondering about

though is the fact the Essiac seems to do well against cancer tumors.

If my grandfather has cancer in his bones, is that still considered

some sort of tumor, or would Essiac maybe not have as much as a

positive effect on him?



I really would like to get him to take Essiac. I believe it has worked

wonders on many people in the past.

I am actually a distributor for an all-natural herbal company, so

getting it wouldn't be a problem. ( I sell retail  :)  )



Please give me some insight if you can.  I've already lost my mother

to cancer, and I don't want to lose my grandfather too.



Reply here or send E-mail.  Doesn't matter to me.



Thanks in advance,



Bill







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Oil Of Wintergreen

From: shane@cais.com

Date: 7 Sep 1996 21:41:24 GMT



  Could somebody tell me where I could find Oil of Wintergreen? Thanx!



	

	Shane Saylor, Eccentric Bard



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oil Of Wintergreen

From: flanagan@uniserve.com

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 04:23:14 GMT



shane@cais.com wrote:



>  Could somebody tell me where I could find Oil of Wintergreen? Thanx!



>	

>	Shane Saylor, Eccentric Bard



You can oil of wintergreen in any local drugstore.....usually in the

section with A355 or muscle oniments 



Good luck 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: thermogenic weight loss?

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:56:06 +0100



In article <50j0cp$n26@nadine.teleport.com>, Clan of the Four Winds

<c4winds@teleport.com> writes

>I have 2 different friends who tried 2 different "all natural"

>thermogenic weight loss products, and while they did lose an amazing

>amount of weight without changing their diet or following some killer

>execise plan, they were also out about $100 each. I'm wondering if I

>can make the herbal mix for this myself, and what herbs would be used.

>I've been researching this for a while, and all I have found is

>companies selling their own products, and no list of ingredients.

>

>Charlene Biggs

>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>   Clan of The Four Winds

>Good guys dont always wear white

>    c4winds@teleport.com

>   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>



Garcinia Cambognia, helps appetite control.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Blocked Arteries

From: "Vernie D. Kirkman" <vkirkman@tima.com>

Date: 7 Sep 1996 23:09:23 GMT



I am in the doghouse with my wife, because I checked myself out of the

hospital, and refused to have a heart cathetirization today.  They bullied

me into going, on the basis of some very mild tightness of the chest. The

symptoms that took me to the doctor were shortness of breath and occasional

dizziness and light headedness, not chest-pains, but when they took my

family history and they found that there was a lot of heart disease in my

family, they decided I must need a heart cath.  This in spite of the fact

that my cholesterol is at safe levels.



When the doctor sat down to tell me about the procedure today, he also told

me that there was a chance that the procedure could cause me to have a

heart attack, stroke or kidney failure.  I decided it wasn't worth the

risk, and went home.  While I was being treated, I had 5 EKG's and 5 MIP

blood tests (whatever that is), and all were normal.  I do not believe I

have any blockage.  I am way overweight, and I am sure that is probably a

lot of the problem.



I know nothing about herbal medicine, but I am willing to learn.  Could

someone please give me some direction in treating the above-mentioned

symptoms?



Vern Kirkman

vkirkman@tima.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blocked Arteries

From: EWBennefeld@worldnet.att.net (E. W. Bennefeld)

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 00:53:33 GMT



This rather reminds me of the time (11 years ago) when the most

reputable endocrinologist in the city told me that my thyroid had quit

working . . . wanted to eliminate the thyroid gland and have me take

thyroid extract every day for the rest of my life.  (Said I wanted to

think about it and walked out of the office--haven't been back and am

feeling fantastic!)



"Vernie D. Kirkman" <vkirkman@tima.com> wrote:



>I am in the doghouse with my wife, because I checked myself out of the

>hospital, and refused to have a heart cathetirization today.  They bullied

>me into going, on the basis of some very mild tightness of the chest. The

>symptoms that took me to the doctor were shortness of breath and occasional

>dizziness and light headedness, not chest-pains, but when they took my

>family history and they found that there was a lot of heart disease in my

>family, they decided I must need a heart cath.  This in spite of the fact

>that my cholesterol is at safe levels.

>

	<snipped middle to save space>

>

>I know nothing about herbal medicine, but I am willing to learn.  Could

>someone please give me some direction in treating the above-mentioned

>symptoms?

>

>Vern Kirkman

>vkirkman@tima.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blocked Arteries

From: gladius@portal.ca (Linda de Gonzalez)

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 96 04:30:04 GMT



In article <01bb9d09$4346cac0$c64561ce@VernKirkman>,

   "Vernie D. Kirkman" <vkirkman@tima.com> wrote:

<big snip, short of a cardiac catheterization, however!)



>I know nothing about herbal medicine, but I am willing to learn.  

Could

>someone please give me some direction in treating the above-mentioned

>symptoms?

>

Vern: Good for you. You stood up for yourself and that must have taken 

a lot of courage. And good for you for being willing to try 

alternatives to surgery. You deserve a whole lot of credit just for 

getting this far. 



You are right about the weight: that alone can cause the symptoms you 

describe in your post. So, start exercising. Fifteen minutes twice a 

day, *gently and slowly*, on an exercise bike. If you don't have one, 

buy one second-hand. If you absolutely cannot afford one at any price, 

start walking. Walk for no more than a half hour at a time, at first, 

maybe three times a week. After this is comfortable (it may take a 

week, it may take a month, it may take 2 months, but LISTEN to your 

body and don't push it beyond it's capacity, but do push it a little), 

increase to a half-hour walk twice each day. Then start increasing the 

time in ten-minute increments.



While you are doing this, as far as diet goes, be reasonable and don't 

make yourself crazy over it. Stay away from fats as much as you can 

and eat lots and lots of fruit and vegetables. BTW butter is 

better than margarine, at least in terms of health. Drink at least 8 

cups of water a day.



But the *very* best thing you could do would be to find yourself a 

homeopathic or naturopathic doctor in your area. Form a partnership 

with him/her, a healing partnership to get you on the road to true 

well-being and health.



I sincerely wish you the best of luck. It's not going to be easy, but 

then I already know you have a lot of courage. It's going to take 

time.



And welcome to the newsgroup!



Yours



Linda



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: "Vernie D. Kirkman" <vkirkman@tima.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blocked Arteries

From: "W. O'Connor" <woconnor@wwdc.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 10:54:40 -0700



Vernie D. Kirkman wrote:

> 

> I am in the doghouse with my wife, because I checked myself out of the

> hospital, and refused to have a heart cathetirization today.  They bullied

> me into going, on the basis of some very mild tightness of the chest. The

> symptoms that took me to the doctor were shortness of breath and occasional

> dizziness and light headedness, not chest-pains, but when they took my

> family history and they found that there was a lot of heart disease in my

> family, they decided I must need a heart cath.  This in spite of the fact

> that my cholesterol is at safe levels.

> 

> When the doctor sat down to tell me about the procedure today, he also told

> me that there was a chance that the procedure could cause me to have a

> heart attack, stroke or kidney failure.  I decided it wasn't worth the

> risk, and went home.  While I was being treated, I had 5 EKG's and 5 MIP

> blood tests (whatever that is), and all were normal.  I do not believe I

> have any blockage.  I am way overweight, and I am sure that is probably a

> lot of the problem.

> 

> I know nothing about herbal medicine, but I am willing to learn.  Could

> someone please give me some direction in treating the above-mentioned

> symptoms?

> 

> Vern Kirkman

> vkirkman@tima.com



Vern: As others have already pointed out, you deserve a lot of credit for 

retaining control of what is done to and for your body!  Doctors are 

disease-oriented (naturally), instead of wellness-oriented, and of course 

surgeons are invasively-oriented instead of wholeness-oriented.  We cannot 

blame them---it's their specialty.  We must just be aware of their bias and 

educate ourselves.



As for your being in the doghouse for refusing the procedure, your wife is 

just annoyed out of concern for you, and a desire to solve the problem for 

the best.  Make sure to keep her informed of what _you_ intend to do...she 

could be your best ally!



You didn't mention how old you are, but since the age-median on the internet 

is fairly young, I assume you are not ancient.  It is certainly possible 

that your symptoms have been caused (or worsened) by your over-weight, and 

the exercise suggested by others on the newsgroup sounds like a good idea.  

It would also be a good idea to get some direction in your exercise program 

from a doctor, naturopath or trainer of some kind, if only because it helps 

your motivation when someone expects something of you!  With exercise, you 

should find that your symptoms abate, and you'll be a FAR less risk for 

heart problems and diabetes.



All of us on the newsgroup wish you well, but remember that we are just 

armchair experts (most of us, anyway).  If you have more symptoms, get them 

checked out immediately.



-- W. O'Connor   *CANADA*



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blocked Arteries

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 01:44:08 GMT



In article <01bb9d09$4346cac0$c64561ce@VernKirkman>,

   "Vernie D. Kirkman" <vkirkman@tima.com> wrote:

>I am in the doghouse with my wife, because I checked myself out of the

>hospital, and refused to have a heart cathetirization today.  They bullied

>me into going, on the basis of some very mild tightness of the chest. The

>symptoms that took me to the doctor were shortness of breath and occasional

>dizziness and light headedness, not chest-pains, but when they took my

>family history and they found that there was a lot of heart disease in my

>family, they decided I must need a heart cath.  This in spite of the fact

>that my cholesterol is at safe levels.

>

>When the doctor sat down to tell me about the procedure today, he also told

>me that there was a chance that the procedure could cause me to have a

>heart attack, stroke or kidney failure.  I decided it wasn't worth the

>risk, and went home.  While I was being treated, I had 5 EKG's and 5 MIP

>blood tests (whatever that is), and all were normal.  I do not believe I

>have any blockage.  I am way overweight, and I am sure that is probably a

>lot of the problem.

>

>I know nothing about herbal medicine, but I am willing to learn.  Could

>someone please give me some direction in treating the above-mentioned

>symptoms?

>

>Vern Kirkman

>vkirkman@tima.com





Hello,

    Was your stress test normal, if you had one? Also has your doctor ruled 

panic attack and stress? Also, did your doctor think a cath. was a must or is 

he doing it for your piece of mind(or your wife's)These are questions you 

should find out before deciding on a course of treatment.For example,do you 

notice the symptoms at a certain time or activity? Most bad heart related 

chest pain makes itself known with physical exertion as a sharp pain.

    As for the risks involved in getting the cath done, please keep in mind 

that doctors will tell you the very worst case scenario because they are duty 

bound to let you know what is possible.We tell patients that anesthesia can 

cause sudden death, but it happens so rarely that it is not a likely 

concern.However, this can not be held back from the patient.Our hospital does 

dozens of caths everyday and have very few complications, and those are 

minor.However, if you don't feel you want one,hey, don't have one.But first be 

sure you're honest with yourself and with your doctor,then make an informed 

choice.

   If you can let us in this NG know more about your case we can recommend 

some good herbs but I for one need a more complete history,if you're so 

inclined.Good luck and good health,

Barbara 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: mystery illness

From: oliverk@axionet.com (oliver)

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 19:29:07 -0400



About 9 months ago, I came down with what seemed like a typical flu.  I

had a fever for a couple of days and a bit of diarhea. The flu went away

for about a week and then came back coupled with nausea and dizzyness and

some abdominal pain in the right lower quarter.  My stools alternated

between constipation and diarrhea and I was beset by an unbelievable

fatigue and joint pain.  This has been the case now, for almost a year on

and off but mostly on. I have been tested for hepatitis, TB, HIV and been

given a stool test for giardia all of which proved negative.  I was

prescribed a single dose of flagyl in case there was a parasite but it

just made me incredibly sick with lower back pain and depression.



The fatigue comes and goes but the abdominal pain is more or less daily. 

All I've been able to getas a diagnosis is that it might be some form of

Irritable bowel.  I often have this horrible shortness of breath which

feels like a panic attack, for no apparent reason. Lately I've had more

fatigue attacks, headaches and joint pain and a generally flu-like

feeling. I don't really have very high fevers though. 



        I am very concerned, as it really affects my productivity.  Could

it be a parasite?  I've tried Una de gato but it hasn't helped much.  Do I

have some kind of neurological panic disorder?





Any ideas out there in cyberspace?



Regards...Oliver



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mystery illness

From: jeffheyd@aol.com (Jeff Heyd)

Date: 8 Sep 1996 20:07:15 -0400



I'm responding to your message in the alt.folklore.herbs newsgroup.  I've

had some similar symptoms (i.e. dizziness, light flu that came and went

quickly, fatigue, but with no abdominal pain) It's possible that more than

one problem could be at work.  In researching my illness, I read a book by

Ronald L. Hoffman, M.D. called "Tired all the Time."  If you can get a

copy at your library, it would be very helpful in identifying which of

various possibilities might be worth considering by your doctor.  Often

the typical doctor will not be good at assessing your problem if your

symptoms are "sub-clinical" (i.e. you are not on your deathbed).  You

might check the Chronic Fatigue Syndrome resources on the net to see if

it's a possibility.  There are several diet, nutritional, and allergy

possibilities that match the symptoms you mentioned.  Good luck!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mystery illness

From: Judy <Glamdais@pop3.cris.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 18:20:00 -0700



Hi Oliver-



     I was diagnosed 5 years ago with Crohns Disease and the symptoms you 

described sound very familiar to me.  It took several weeks of 

eliminating other things suspected (parasites, bacterial elements) before 

they suspected Crohns and did and upper and lower GI.  Once I was 

correctly diagnosed and treated I've been doing well.  You might want to 

check into that.



Good Luck



Judy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mystery illness

From: HerbsNMassage@cwo.com

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 07:05:42 GMT



oliverk@axionet.com (oliver) lovingly lightly touched ink to paper and

wrote:



>About 9 months ago, I came down with what seemed like a typical flu.  I

>had a fever for a couple of days and a bit of diarhea. The flu went away

>for about a week and then came back coupled with nausea and dizzyness and

>some abdominal pain in the right lower quarter.  My stools alternated

snip



Try checking out the page for hector pylori...I think it

is...www.hectorpylori.  it is a bacteria in the stomach. I have been

reading up on it for a friend who has it...I have no idea if your

symptoms match...you might wanna try looking at it.



HNM





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mystery illness

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 04:57:55 -0400



In article <oliverk-0709961929070001@ma155.axionet.com>,

oliverk@axionet.com (oliver) writes:



> I am very concerned, as it really affects my productivity.  Could

>it be a parasite?  I've tried Una de gato but it hasn't helped much.  Do

I

>have some kind of neurological panic disorder?



Have you looked into CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue and Immune Deficiency

Disorder)?  Do you get swollen lymph nodes often?  It sounds like it could

be a chronic viral infection, possibly the Epstein-Barr virus

(mononucleiosis) but you've probably already been tested for that. 

"Alternative" treatments include strengthening the immune system through

herbs like echinacea, astragalus, garlic, and other immune system boosters

(these are the three best, though).  The immune-enhancing approach should

only be tried if you're sure it's not an autoimmune disorder  where your

body's own immune system is attacking itself. 



Another potential approach may be a broad-spectrum antiviral compound like

hypericin, which is found in the herb Saint John's Wort in very small

amounts, but is sold in a pure synthetic form by a company in California. 

Please pass this info on to your doctor (s) before actually trying any of

these options though!



David



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mystery illness

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:07:56 +0100



In article <510m6j$e9s@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, DavePsych1

<davepsych1@aol.com> writes

>In article <oliverk-0709961929070001@ma155.axionet.com>,

>oliverk@axionet.com (oliver) writes:

>

>> I am very concerned, as it really affects my productivity.  Could

>>it be a parasite?  I've tried Una de gato but it hasn't helped much.  Do

>I

>>have some kind of neurological panic disorder?

>

>Have you looked into CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue and Immune Deficiency

>Disorder)?  Do you get swollen lymph nodes often?  It sounds like it could

>be a chronic viral infection, possibly the Epstein-Barr virus

>(mononucleiosis) but you've probably already been tested for that. 

>"Alternative" treatments include strengthening the immune system through

>herbs like echinacea, astragalus, garlic, and other immune system boosters

>(these are the three best, though).  The immune-enhancing approach should

>only be tried if you're sure it's not an autoimmune disorder  where your

>body's own immune system is attacking itself. 

>

>Another potential approach may be a broad-spectrum antiviral compound like

>hypericin, which is found in the herb Saint John's Wort in very small

>amounts, but is sold in a pure synthetic form by a company in California. 

>Please pass this info on to your doctor (s) before actually trying any of

>these options though!

>

>David



It sounds very like irratable bowel syndrome or crones disease. both are

similare, I have a friend with crones, and I have IBS. The doctors all

seem to prescribe high levels of fibre, I have found this had a

detrimental effect, and acctually cutting a lot of the fibre out of my

diet has had an eccelent effect, Stress is also involved in IBS so you

might look to herbs like, Valerian, St john wart, Scullcap, ect to

releive some of the stress symptoms, Best of luck

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mystery illness

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:10:21 GMT



On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 19:29:07 -0400, oliverk@axionet.com (oliver) wrote:



>About 9 months ago, I came down with what seemed like a typical flu.  I

>had a fever for a couple of days and a bit of diarhea. The flu went away

>for about a week and then came back coupled with nausea and dizzyness and

>some abdominal pain in the right lower quarter.  My stools alternated

>between constipation and diarrhea and I was beset by an unbelievable

>fatigue and joint pain.  This has been the case now, for almost a year on

>and off but mostly on. I have been tested for hepatitis, TB, HIV and been

>given a stool test for giardia all of which proved negative.  I was

>prescribed a single dose of flagyl in case there was a parasite but it

>just made me incredibly sick with lower back pain and depression.

>

>The fatigue comes and goes but the abdominal pain is more or less daily. 

>All I've been able to getas a diagnosis is that it might be some form of

>Irritable bowel.  I often have this horrible shortness of breath which

>feels like a panic attack, for no apparent reason. Lately I've had more

>fatigue attacks, headaches and joint pain and a generally flu-like

>feeling. I don't really have very high fevers though. 



Have you been tested for celiac disease? What you list are *all* possible

symptoms of this rarely tested for disorder.



Celiac disease is the medical name for intolerance to gluten, a protein

that is found in all wheat (more so in bread and pasta), but also found in

lesser quantity in rye, barley, oats and all foodstuffs containing one of

these grains, including many food chemicals like hydrolyzed vegetable

protein (called "flavorings" or "natural flavors" in the ingredient list).



The disorder is completely controlled by a gluten-free diet. There are no

meds.



The gluten-free mailing list is at LISTSERV@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU. The FAQ can

be obtained by putting GET CELIAC FAQ in the body of a message to the list

server. Even more info is available if GET NEWCEL PACKAGE is included.

Other documents also exist, send GET CELIAC FILELIST. To join, send a

message to the listserv with the following in the body: SUB CELIAC your

name.



And this web page has annotated links to all sites on this subject,

including a link to the site that has all the archives of the above:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mystery illness

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 21:18:26 -0500



oliver wrote:

> 

> About 9 months ago, I came down with what seemed like a typical flu.  I

>One Known system of Celiac disease is chronic grouchiness. A friend of mine had it and I can vouch for it and I can say that he went thru hell 

to get a proper diagnosis. The symtoms you describe are exactly what he 

had. The gluten free diet made him a different person in 3 weeks.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mystery illness

From: nobody@nowhere.com (Me)

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 05:17:25 GMT



On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 19:29:07 -0400 c.e., oliverk@axionet.com (oliver)

wrote:

>About 9 months ago, I came down with what seemed like a typical flu.  I

>had a fever for a couple of days and a bit of diarhea. The flu went away

>for about a week and then came back coupled with nausea and dizzyness and

>some abdominal pain in the right lower quarter.  My stools alternated

>between constipation and diarrhea and I was beset by an unbelievable

>fatigue and joint pain.  This has been the case now, for almost a year on

>and off but mostly on. I have been tested for hepatitis, TB, HIV and been

>given a stool test for giardia all of which proved negative. 



Don't go discarding these possible diseases just because the tests

came back negative. I contracted Hep-B back in 1979 and they didn't

discover what it was until 1992.  All test up till then came back

negative. The modern medical community is more often wrong than right.

Even when I was laid up in bed for 3 months, their "tests" showed

nothing. The fatigue and joint & abdominal pains are similar to hep-b

OR lyme (as well as a whole slew of other ailments, late term std's,

etc.). Sometimes it takes years to pin down what is actually causing

it. Till then take care of yourself the best you can. Sometimes we are

given illnesses to make drastic changes in our life style. Take this

time to take care of yourself. From a holistic point of view, maybe

you have some other path you are supposed to follow, and this is

forcing you to take it.



If you are one of those people who rarely catch colds or flus, you

might be like me, your immune system can handle so much that it seems

to be able to hide the culprit from common medical tests. An over-

healthy immune system can be as bad as a poor one it seems, when it

comes time to finding out what is really wrong, when something chronic

does hit. Their tests will show nothing if your immune system is

fighting off the infection better than their tests can detect for the

presence of high levels of antibodies. (or so it seemed & seems in my

case) I imagine this is why some people can become carriers of

illnesses, i.e. Typhoid Mary, and not be fatally affected by them. I

used to live under harsh conditions and my system has learned how to

survive no matter what is tagging along inside. And rarely if ever

will a "medical test" show what is wrong. The only reason they caught

the hep-b after 12 years is because one bit of data on a blood

analysis finally seemed a "tad" off from normal and thought they might

investigate further. Then they ran the big-gun tests for another month

and finally found hep-b. (and surprisingly, after years of hep-b and

heavy drinking, no liver damage at all according to the biopsy, just

the years and years of senseless fatigue and joint/abdominal pain, go

figure...)



By the way, don't be surprised when they tell you to go see a

psychiatrist. It's just the doctors' way of admitting they don't know

what they are doing. Rather than them feeling as if they failed,

they'd rather make you feel as if you've failed. It's just their

stupid egos, ignore it -- and move on.  You'll probably get a lot of

them with this attitude, it's a prevalent mental and emotional

shortcoming amongst doctors. Children don't like to accept or think

they have failed. Just remember: most people who are fortunate enough

to get into the medical fields, came from wealthy and supportive homes

and never truly grow up, they don't know what to do with failure. So

they try to pawn it off on you, somehow YOU have the thinking

problems, not them. And why should they care anyway, it's your money,

not theirs.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mystery illness

From: solis <solis@hevanet.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:36:54 -0700



Me wrote:

> 

> On Sat, 07 Sep 1996 19:29:07 -0400 c.e., oliverk@axionet.com (oliver)

> wrote:

> >About 9 months ago, I came down with what seemed like a typical flu.  I

> >had a fever for a couple of days and a bit of diarhea. The flu went away

> >for about a week and then came back coupled with nausea and dizzyness and

> >some abdominal pain in the right lower quarter.  My stools alternated

> >between constipation and diarrhea and I was beset by an unbelievable

> >fatigue and joint pain.  This has been the case now, for almost a year on

> >and off but mostly on. I have been tested for hepatitis, TB, HIV and been

> >given a stool test for giardia all of which proved negative.



> By the way, don't be surprised when they tell you to go see a

> psychiatrist. It's just the doctors' way of admitting they don't know

> what they are doing.



IBS (irritable Bowel Syndrome) is often brought on by stress.  It hits

mostly women:  when it hits men, it is presumed that it is because they

are "type a personalities," whose bodies do not deal well with the

stress.  The will also recomend yoga, acupuncture, and Chinese Herbs. 

Not a bad idea to take a good look at your behavior, and observe the

subtle changes which occur in the body and mind during times of stress: 

awareness is sometimes all it takes to make it go away.



Solis



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Trying to find a reference

From: Mark Fingerman <marfin@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 17:04:05 -0700



I am sorry for butting into your newsgroup, but all the posts made it 

look for the place to try.  A friend of mine is looking for the 

modern-day name of the plant called Elk's Tooth.  The exact spelling or 

grammar of the name is unknown.  It is known in Irish Folklore.  It has 

something to do with Wicca.  I am sorry, that is about all the 

information I have.



If someone can give me more information about this, please email me at 

marfin@worldnet.att.net.



Thank you in advance for any help you can provide.



-- 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Be wary of strong drink.  It can make you shoot at tax collectors--and

miss. 

- Woodrow Wilson Smith, a.k.a. Lazarus Long



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Eden's Emporium Email Address

From: crguise@tdn.com (Ed)

Date: 8 Sep 1996 00:22:04 GMT



Does anyone have the current email address of Eden's Emporium in Adams, 

Massachusetts?  I lost it in my yearly cleaning efforts.  Thanks in 

advance if you have it.



Ed





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eden's Emporium Email Address

From: wolfgang <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 20:19:03 -0700



Ed wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have the current email address of Eden's Emporium in Adams,

> Massachusetts?  I lost it in my yearly cleaning efforts.  Thanks in

> advance if you have it.

> 

> Ed

Get in touch with John Midura, the owner, at jmidura@mail.map.com

Wolfgang



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If your life includes MIGRAINE-ARTHRITIS-STRESS pain - try:

http://www.jens.com/business/wolfgang/ - Create a great day !

Without awareness, there is not life but only activity

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.com,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med

Subject: ?- Ginko Has Ephedra in It?

From: Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com>

Date: 8 Sep 1996 01:49:18 GMT



Just read on a newsgroup that an active ingredient in ginko is ephedra.



Is this true?



dn









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.com,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med

Subject: Re: ?- Ginko Has Ephedra in It?

From: Camilla Cracchiolo <camilla@primenet.com>

Date: 7 Sep 1996 22:15:05 -0700



Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com> wrote:

: Just read on a newsgroup that an active ingredient in ginko is ephedra.



Not as far as I know.  Gingko has it's own set of compounds called

gingkoglides.  The person who posted that may be thinking ma huang

("Chinese ephedra") or American species of the ephedra plant.  They

contain both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine in varying amounts.



Gingko is a vasodilator, which is the direct opposite of what ephedrine

does.  However, it is possible that gingko might be an ingredient in some

combination product that also contains ma huang.





   "The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open

                      that your brain falls out."



                        Camilla Cracchiolo, RN   



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.com,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med

Subject: Re: ?- Ginko Has Ephedra in It?

From: barbara@airmail.net (Barbara Blanton)

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 05:39:14 GMT



I've never heard that.  I'm very sensitive to ephedra and avoid it in

medical procedures.  When I take Ginkgo, I can't feel any change

except hopefully, I get a little more oxygen to my aging brain <G>.

Barbara



Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com> wrote:



>Just read on a newsgroup that an active ingredient in ginko is ephedra.

>

>Is this true?

>

>dn

>

>

>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.com,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med

Subject: Re: ?- Ginko Has Ephedra in It?

From: Chris Pittman <cap2@sprynet.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 09:59:06 -0400



> >Just read on a newsgroup that an active ingredient in ginko is ephedra.

> >

> >Is this true?



Not with any reliable Ginkgo Biloba, and it should contain 24% flavones

and 6% terpene lactones (the primary active constituents).  The

scientific studies validate only Ginkgo extracts containing these

levels.    



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.com,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med

Subject: Re: ?- Ginko Has Ephedra in It?

From: jet@cinenet.net (Jet Silverman)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 07:35:50 GMT



Chris Pittman (cap2@sprynet.com) wrote:

: Not with any reliable Ginkgo Biloba, and it should contain 24% flavones

: and 6% terpene lactones (the primary active constituents).  The

: scientific studies validate only Ginkgo extracts containing these

: levels.    



You can get 100 60mg tabs of this kind of extract from Trader Joe's for $7.



J



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com>

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.com,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med

Subject: Re: ?- Ginko Has Ephedra in It?

From: davidlim <davidlim@asiaonline.net>

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 22:45:03 +0900



Della Noche wrote:

> 

> Just read on a newsgroup that an active ingredient in ginko is ephedra.

> 

> Is this true?

> 

> dn

Ginkgo belongs to vasodilator while ephedra acts similar as adrenaline, 

however, these two items are available in China.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.com,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med

Subject: Re: ?- Ginko Has Ephedra in It?

From: barbara@airmail.net (Barbara Blanton)

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 05:18:31 GMT



I've never heard that.  I'm very sensitive to ephedra and avoid it in

medical procedures.  When I take Ginkgo, I can't feel any change

except hopefully, I get a little more oxygen to my aging brain <G>.

Barbara



Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com> wrote:



>Just read on a newsgroup that an active ingredient in ginko is ephedra.

>

>Is this true?

>

>dn

>

>

>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.com,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med

Subject: Re: ?- Ginko Has Ephedra in It?

From: cwerner@dorsai.org (Craig Werner)

Date: 11 Sep 1996 17:46:52 -0400



Della Noche (dnoche@mail.wco.com) wrote:

: Just read on a newsgroup that an active ingredient in ginko is ephedra.



: Is this true?



: dn



	The active ingredient in Gingko leaves is not Ephedra.  However,

some Gingko preparations may be concoctions, which might include ephedra -

not unlike the multi-vitamin concept.



-- 

Craig Werner, MD/Ph.D  				cwerner@dorsai.ORG

(Yes, THAT Craig Werner!, formerly - very formerly - werner@aecom.YU.EDU)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for Sty

From: et7@open.ac.uk

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 02:42:58 GMT



Greg <gregs@ns.gold-link.com> wrote:



>I have a terrible sty in my eye. Does anyone have a remedy?



>Greg

YES!

Homeopathic 6x Hepar Sulph has worked well for me and all my family.

Gets rid in days instead of weeks. 



$ita.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for Sty

From: kira@sonic.net (Kira Ivory)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 03:53:06 GMT



et7@open.ac.uk wrote:



>Greg <gregs@ns.gold-link.com> wrote:

>

>>I have a terrible sty in my eye. Does anyone have a remedy?

>

>>Greg

>YES!

>Homeopathic 6x Hepar Sulph has worked well for me and all my family.

>Gets rid in days instead of weeks. 

>

>$ita.

>

As a child I had a sty every month for many years. My first memories of

them are when I was six years old. When I was about 10 years old, I was

outside alone jumping rope. I heard a voice say "if you want to get rid

of the stys, don't eat any desserts, like chips, candy bars, cake and

ice cream". It never occurred to me to question the information, and I

was not used to hearing voices, but what the heck, I was a kid.  



I certainly did take the advice, because I hated the stys; they hurt,

and were embarrassing. After that, I had about one a year, until I got

old enough to have more control over the family diet.



With time and education, I found out that the most common cause is a

deficiency of Vitamin A, or betacarotene form of vitamin A, not the

retinol form. 



I found I loved vegetables, when made without slathering them with

mayonnaise, or cooking them to death, or getting them out of a can.



No more stys for about 33 years now.



By the way, I also had other symptoms of vitamin A deficiency; night

blindness, and I sunburned very easy compared to the last few decades.



Best of luck to you.





--

						Kira Ivory	

						kira@sonic.net

						http://www.sonic.net/~kira



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Great Herb Supplier

From: fff@digital.net (FAMOUS FACES)

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 05:08:24 GMT



If any one is looking for a great herb supplier e-mail Southernwood

Herbals. The e-mail address is tm@digital.net.  They sent me a catalog

free of charge.  I have bought some bulk herbs and extracts from them.

They have the best prices I have seen and all of their herbs are

wildcrafted or certified organic.  If you would rather call them the

phone number is (407) 729-0104.  Drop them a line. 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Great Herb Supplier

From: wolfgang <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 20:29:45 -0700



FAMOUS FACES wrote:

> 

> If any one is looking for a great herb supplier e-mail Southernwood

> Herbals. The e-mail address is tm@digital.net.  They sent me a catalog

> free of charge.  I



A friend is looking over my shoulder while I am reading the newsgroup

and he is wondering if anyone is interested in buying wormwood in bulk

or wholesale. He is a wildcrafter and has plenty of supply. Other herbs

as well.



You may get in touch with him through me. Email me and I will give you

his phone number.



Wolfgang

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If your life includes MIGRAINE-ARTHRITIS-STRESS pain - try:

http://www.jens.com/business/wolfgang/ - Create a great day !

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Resisting Bacterial Infections

From: lists.jrh@dial.pipex.com (Josiah Hincks)

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 12:05:32 GMT



Hi



- My question -

Has any one some suggestions for herbal treatments that can improve

resistance to bacterial infections?



- Background -

I periodically get all sorts of weird and wonderful bacterial

infections (particularly in my nose and on my lips.) Had them for

years. Some don't respond too well to antibiotics unless the dose is

huge. It has been suggested to me that the bacteria living in my body

are at above normal levels and that is why I get the recurrent

infections. Assuming this is the case I'm looking at ways to try stop

these infections getting to the point they need antibiotic treatment.

Over the years I've taken more antibiotics than I care to list...



Any help appreciated.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Resisting Bacterial Infections

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 10 Sep 1996 15:14:20 GMT



lists.jrh@dial.pipex.com (Josiah Hincks) wrote:

>

> Hi

> 

> - My question -

> Has any one some suggestions for herbal treatments that can improve

> resistance to bacterial infections?

> 

..

 

> Any help appreciated.



Josiah; Before trying the herbs I would try plain acidopholis yogurt

first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, at least a half 

cupful. Do this for several weeks in a row and I think you will see

an improvement...(of course get enought rest/sleep and eat right 

as well). If needed you could try echinacea. Many people report it 

helps boost their resistance to infections. Cat's Claw also is

said to be of benefit in colds, flu, and more serious illness. 

Goldenseal, Astragulus, and Pau d arco are others well spoken of. 



                         In good health (through herbs), Jerry 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Wildflower gardens

From: gnomereserve@enterprise.net (Richard)

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 17:12:37 GMT



Wildflower garden in N.Devon England open to the public

for more info see web pages



http://bigweb.castlelink.co.uk/attractions/at_26.html

and

http://www.devon-cc.gov.uk/tourism/pages/attracts/gnomeres.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: What is a MAO inhibitor?

From: bubba <marty@aros.net>

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 20:27:08 +0200



I have been experimenting with Yohimbe and it works great for erections. 

But it has a nasty side effect for me. It makes me hyper and very anxious. 

I know it drives up my blood preasure also. 



The other day I tried St Johns Wort to see if it would calm my anxious 

condition and my blood preasure went up to 155/80. BTW I'm 6'0 200 lbs and 

pretty fit at 15% bodyfat.



I have been taking two Yohimbine tabs from Twinlabs. When I tried the St 

John's Wort I took one dosage of the Natures Plus standardized liquid 

supression..3 hypercin.



Question: 

	1. Do MAO inhibitors cause high blood preasure?



	2. If I get a rise in high blood preasure with these herbs does it indicate something 

	unique about my body like maybe diabetes or liver problems?





Marty



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is a MAO inhibitor?

From: nyts@dorsai.org (New York Theosophical Society)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 18:51:14 -0400



bubba (marty@aros.net) wrote:

: Question: 

: 	1. Do MAO inhibitors cause high blood preasure?



	Not directly. There are a number of amino acids that would raise 

your blood pressure if MAO did not stop them. MAO inhibitors keep your 

body from manufacturing the MAO. If you eat certain foods within 12 hours 

of taking an MAO inhibitor (some of them are chocolate, ripe bannanas, 

beans, pickled cabbage; this is by no means a complete list), your blood 

pressure will rise, possibly to dangerous levels.



	Bart Lidofsky

	Systems Administrator

	New York Theosophical Society





	



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is a MAO inhibitor?

From: paclark@ix.netcom.com

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:25:37 GMT



bubba <marty@aros.net> wrote:



>I have been experimenting with Yohimbe and it works great for erections. 

>But it has a nasty side effect for me. It makes me hyper and very anxious. 

>I know it drives up my blood preasure also. 



>The other day I tried St Johns Wort to see if it would calm my anxious 

>condition and my blood preasure went up to 155/80. BTW I'm 6'0 200 lbs and 

>pretty fit at 15% bodyfat.



>I have been taking two Yohimbine tabs from Twinlabs. When I tried the St 

>John's Wort I took one dosage of the Natures Plus standardized liquid 

>supression..3 hypercin.



>Question: 

>	1. Do MAO inhibitors cause high blood preasure?



>	2. If I get a rise in high blood preasure with these herbs does it indicate something 

>	unique about my body like maybe diabetes or liver problems?





>Marty

Marty,



	MAO (MonoAmineOxidase) inhibitors can interact with many substances

found in foods, pharmaceuticals and possibly some natural remedies.

One example would be Ephedrine which can result in a  possibly life

threatening hypertensive crisis.  I am not sure about the substances

you mention but the fact that they make you hyper, anxious and elevate

your blood pressure certainly suggest that they adversly interact with

MAO inhibitors which I assume you are on.  MAO inhibitors can be very

benificial in certain circumstances but anyone taking them must be

very careful of what they ingest.  While you are on MAO inhibitors I

strongly advise you to QUIT PLAYING AROUND with other substances

unless there is information that they are safe to ingest with MAO

inhibitors.  I want to stress that SOME INTERACTIONS CAN BE LIFE

THREATENING!  Either consult with the prescribing physician about some

other alternative to MAO inhibitors or be careful of what you ingest.

	The mechanism of these interactions and the lists of substances to

avoid are too involved to go into here.  You will have to consult with

your physician, pharmacist or research it in the library.  Please

don't misunderstand, I am very much an advocate of many alternative

health practices but you just really have to be careful when on MAO

inhibitors.  Hope this helps and good luck!



Paul A. Clark, M.D.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is a MAO inhibitor?

From: newcole@magna.com.au (Evan Cole and Jan Newby)

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 01:50:25 GMT





Really really watch it with MAO's.  Theres stuff about them in

Alt.support.depression FAQs or ask your pharmacist.



Ask your doctor about each and everything you are taking

in addition including herbs, cold cures (ESPECIALLY). You can have a

stroke or die from mixing things  







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is a MAO inhibitor?

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 10 Sep 1996 23:48:52 -0400



In article <32330FFC.7475@aros.net>, bubba <marty@aros.net> writes:



>I have been experimenting with Yohimbe and it works great for erections. 

>But it has a nasty side effect for me. It makes me hyper and very

anxious. 

>I know it drives up my blood preasure also. 

>

>The other day I tried St Johns Wort to see if it would calm my anxious 

>condition and my blood preasure went up to 155/80. BTW I'm 6'0 200 lbs

and 

>pretty fit at 15% bodyfat.

>

>I have been taking two Yohimbine tabs from Twinlabs. When I tried the St 

>John's Wort I took one dosage of the Natures Plus standardized liquid 

>supression..3 hypercin.

>

>Question: 

>	1. Do MAO inhibitors cause high blood preasure?

>

>	2. If I get a rise in high blood preasure with these herbs does it

indicate

>something 

>	unique about my body like maybe diabetes or liver problems?

>

>

>Marty



Yohimbe can cause high blood pressure in-and-of itself.  It is what we

call an alpha-2 norepinephrine autoreceptor blocker.  This means yohimbine

(the active ingredient) partially turns off our brain's negative-feedback

mechanism that would normally regulate the release of norepinephrine.  So

a stressful or anxiety-producing situation can cause an upward spiral in

the release of norepinephrine that can result in a panic attack or extreme

anxiety.  Although some norepinephrine receptors cause vasodilation (which

can increase blood flow to the penis), other NE receptors cause a marked

increase in blood pressure.  Adding to this situation an MAO inhibitor

(even a very mild one like Saint John's Wort) can cause even more

problems.  MAO inhibitors reduce the breakdown of monoamine

neurotransmitters (serotonin, dopamine, NOREPINEPHRINE).  Even though SJW

isn't dangerous by itself, combining it with a potent drug like yohimbine

which acts on similar neurotransmitter systems can be very dangerous. 

ALWAYS consult a knowledgeable source before trying new drug combinations,

or at least know enough about what you're doing to make an assessment of

the possible dangers.



David



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is a MAO inhibitor?

From: JWell@cwo.com

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 04:42:09 GMT



davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1) wrote these amazing words:





>Yohimbe can cause high blood pressure in-and-of itself.  It is what we

>call an alpha-2 norepinephrine autoreceptor blocker.  This means yohimbine

>(the active ingredient) partially turns off our brain's negative-feedback

>mechanism that would normally regulate the release of norepinephrine.  So

>a stressful or anxiety-producing situation can cause an upward spiral in

Wow! thank you for all that info! You even told it so I could

understand it. I have a question for you, I have read somewhere that

too much dopamine could be a cause for hyperactivity? Or was it

twitches?  Could you expound on that?



Thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Black Cohosh Info

From: K M Murray <kmmurray@frontiernet.net>

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 16:48:36 -0700



I have been told that Black Cohosh is very good for keeping high blood

pressure normal and also keeping nerves nice and calm. However, many

have warned its best stayed away from ...



  Any thoughts or comments ??? Thanks ....



Kevin Murray



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: K M Murray <kmmurray@frontiernet.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Black Cohosh Info

From: Kent and Kat Dyer <kdyer@nash.tds.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 00:06:16 -0700



K M Murray wrote:

> 

> I have been told that Black Cohosh is very good for keeping high blood

> pressure normal and also keeping nerves nice and calm. However, many

> have warned its best stayed away from ...

> 

>   Any thoughts or comments ??? Thanks ....

> 

> Kevin Murray



Warning...I'm going to shout for a minute...NEVER TREAT HIGH BLOOD 

PRESSURE ON YOUR OWN!!!!!  Okay, you could really hurt yourself treating 

high blood pressure on your own.  If your doctor says 'herbs, yuk, 

phooty!' try finding a holistic MD.  But get thee to an MD.  That aside, 

there's no harm in taking garlic along with your prescribed meds.  And 

garlic has been found to help regulate blood pressure (both high and 

low).  Also I wouldn't touch black cohosh with a 10 foot pole without the 

supervision of a highly trained professional (and I'd scrutinize their 

credentials).  Of course, I'm female and it's a dangerous abortificant 

among other things.



Kat



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Black Cohosh Info

From: evoltwin@cyberden.com (evoltwin)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 04:53:50 GMT



In article <3237B668.4997@nash.tds.net>, Kent and Kat Dyer

<kdyer@nash.tds.net> wrote:



> K M Murray wrote:

> > 

> > I have been told that Black Cohosh is very good for keeping high blood

> > pressure normal and also keeping nerves nice and calm. However, many

> > have warned its best stayed away from ...

> > 

> >   Any thoughts or comments ??? Thanks ....

> > 

> > Kevin Murray

> 





Well according to The Herb Book {John Lust}  Hawthorn more fits the bill

than black cohash {which incidently is a psychotic herb....beware}  at any

rate here is the info which sounds more of what you described above.





Hawthorn is a Vasodilator {an agent that widens the blood vessels thus

lowering the blood pressure} a sedative, Antispasmodic, and a Cardiac

{that which effects the heart}  Hawthorn normalizes the blood pressure by

regulating heart action : extended use will usually lower the blood

pressure.  It is good for heart muscles weakened by age, for inflammation

of the heart muscle {myocarditis} for arteriosclerosis and for nervous

heart conditions. Executives under strain from pressures of the job can

benefit from hawthorn tea. The tea is also good for nervous conditions

like insomnia.



infusion:  steep 1 tsp. flowers in 1/2 cup water. Take 1 to 1 1/2 cups a

day, a mouthfull at a time.  Sweeten with honey if desired.  {turn off the

heat as soon as the water begins to boil to preserve medicinal

effectiveness.}



Hope this helps.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Black Cohosh Info

From: schro@pipeline.com

Date: 19 Sep 1996 16:26:18 GMT



In article <evoltwin-1709962153590001@rpk-4.nbn.com>, evoltwin writes: 

 

>In article <3237B668.4997@nash.tds.net>, Kent and Kat Dyer 

><kdyer@nash.tds.net> wrote: 

> 

>> K M Murray wrote: 

>> >  

>> > I have been told that Black Cohosh is very good for keeping high blood



>> > pressure normal and also keeping nerves nice and calm. However, many 

>> > have warned its best stayed away from ... 

>> >  

>> >   Any thoughts or comments ??? Thanks .... 

>> >  

>> > Kevin Murray 

>>  

> 

> 

>Well according to The Herb Book {John Lust}  Hawthorn more fits the bill 

>than black cohash {which incidently is a psychotic herb....beware}  at any



>rate here is the info which sounds more of what you described above. 

> 

> 

>Hawthorn is a Vasodilator {an agent that widens the blood vessels thus 

>lowering the blood pressure} a sedative, Antispasmodic, and a Cardiac 

>{that which effects the heart}  Hawthorn normalizes the blood pressure by 

>regulating heart action : extended use will usually lower the blood 

>pressure.  It is good for heart muscles weakened by age, for inflammation 

>of the heart muscle {myocarditis} for arteriosclerosis and for nervous 

>heart conditions. Executives under strain from pressures of the job can 

>benefit from hawthorn tea. The tea is also good for nervous conditions 

>like insomnia. 

> 

>infusion:  steep 1 tsp. flowers in 1/2 cup water. Take 1 to 1 1/2 cups a 

>day, a mouthfull at a time.  Sweeten with honey if desired.  {turn off the



>heat as soon as the water begins to boil to preserve medicinal 

>effectiveness.} 

> 

>Hope this helps. 

> 

 

I've read several times that hawthorne really does work, which is why you

should never take it w/out supervision. I mean, we're talking about the

HEART. Not an organ you should be messing around with. There are some

things we should not be doctoring ourselves... 

 

Laure



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Black Cohosh Info

From: JWell@cwo.com

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 02:55:55 GMT



K M Murray <kmmurray@frontiernet.net> wrote these amazing words:



>I have been told that Black Cohosh is very good for keeping high blood

>pressure normal and also keeping nerves nice and calm. However, many

>have warned its best stayed away from ...

>  Any thoughts or comments ??? Thanks ....

>Kevin Murray



A friend of mine uses garlic to keep his down.  He never takes meds

prescribed by an M.D. for it. This has kept it down. Also Hawthorne

Berry is excellent for taking it down. 



J





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Black Cohosh Info

From: ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:33:39 GMT



K M Murray <kmmurray@frontiernet.net> wrote:



>I have been told that Black Cohosh is very good for keeping high blood

>pressure normal and also keeping nerves nice and calm. However, many

>have warned its best stayed away from ...



>  Any thoughts or comments ??? Thanks ....



>Kevin Murray



kevin,

black cohosh is used in traditional chinese medicine as a regulator,

meaning that it will normalise either high or low blood pressure, so

long as you fit the right humor. it can be dangerous if used wrongly

or in incorrect dosage. i urge you to see a chinese herbalist or do a

lot of study about chinese use of medicinal herbs before you go taking

it or prescribing it.

good luck

ashryn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bay Leaf Dangers?

From: elsewhere@not.here (Null Set)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 03:43:07 GMT



      If anyone knows of any dangers associated with smoking bay leaves,

please post them.  I have tried smoking them once and enjoyed it, but i am

wary, since they apparently repel insects and can harm birds.

      Thanks, Null Set.



Are you one, Herbert?

                                                 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Candidiasis:  Scourge of Arthritics

From: taurus@prolog.net (Herm)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 04:59:23 GMT



I was searching for information on thrush.  After wading through the 

bird stuff, I came across this web site:

http://www.mall-net.com/arth/arth1.html



I learned much more about yeast infections than I ever wanted to 

know. There are two parts to the article, I printed out Part 1 and 

it took 12 pages.  I did not print Part 2.



Thes pesky, itchy, burny, smelly infections are not harmless and are 

not easy to get rid of.  Those ads you see about 3 day cures, or 

even 7 day cures are full of it.  Try a strict diet, and no less 

than about 6 medications for a period of time no less than 3 

months.But more like 4.  



Anyone who has had yeast problems more than once should check this 

site out, and read the information there.  The doctor does list 

alternatives to the medications.  Garlic, lots of it.  Vitamin C 

lots of it.  And other stuff.  But, he says you must stick to the 

diet.  For me, and I know for many others, when you finish reading 

this information, you will know more about this problem than your 

family doctor does.  My doctor prescribes a salve to put on.  It 

clears it up, for a while.  I get the darn thing in the crease where 

my thigh is, my groin area.  And I have thrush.  Had it for many 

years, doctors ask if my throat is sore, when I say no, that's the 

end of it.  It has never been treated.  Yet I have had this thrush 

for more than 20 years.  



Check it out.  The information might help you.



-- 

Herm

 Rev. Herm Schugard,   K3JSZ since 1959

 taurus@prolog.net   herms@voicenet.com

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1255

           Nudist since birth          





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Candidiasis:  Scourge of Arthritics

From: JWell@cwo.com (Herbalist)

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 08:55:53 GMT



taurus@prolog.net (Herm) wrote these amazing words:



>I was searching for information on thrush.  After wading through the 

>bird stuff, I came across this web site:

>http://www.mall-net.com/arth/arth1.html



snip



that is an excellent site!  There is much on there for folks to know!



thanks!



J





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: PAIN WEB NO HOAX NEEDS HELP

From: PainLaw <PainLaw@jnpcs.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 10:53:47 -0400



Hi I bet you have seen me around. I am Susan I am a chronic pain patient 

and have worked for years to help others via a free support group at 

(703)256-PAIN this is not a business,we don't take donations or get kick 

backs from docs.What we do is help pain patients,docs,pharmacies,find 

eachother and promote intractable pain laws. I got so sick of all those 

newsgroups and listservers who wouldn't let us talk about certain 

doctors or subjects or who had hidden agendas and were either selling 

products or after our money. I have started a website which would act as 

a base for all of us to communicate through. As well as a source of 

information and contacts I hope to use a page to be used by pain 

patients to advertise products and services. After all we all need to 

make some form of income and most of us have talents to offer the world. 

All of this would be free. Thats where you cyberpeople come in. I need 

as many people involved in pain to use their minds and wonderful 

bookmarks,files and ideas to set up this page. I have done alot all 

ready, its paid for and ready to fly but without your help its won't be 

truely our site. I need ideas on music files and pictures as well(I know 

there was someone who made music to help pain patients on the web) as 

info. You can call if your local or email me. I am just a good person 

who is trying to do the right thing. Susan PS If you need help finding a 

doctor or if you are a doctor in hotwater for helping pain patients let 

me help. Its all FREE.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginsengs created equal?

From: 3jal12@qlink.queensu.ca (Leggatt Judith A)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 15:53:29 GMT



I was wondering what the differences were between the different forms of

Ginseng on the market.  Is is simply a difference in strength, or do

different forms of the plant (Siberean etc.) have different uses.  What is

considered best?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Judith



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginsengs created equal?

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 22:13:12 -0500



Leggatt Judith A wrote:

> 

> I was wondering what the differences were between the different forms of

> Ginseng on the market. 



There is a difference in strength. Many contain no ginseng at all!

Different species (ie forms) have different effects. Siberean is 

considered a ginseng with low ginseng properities. Chinese (Panax 

Ginseng) is considered the best by Asians, but very rare and expensive.

American ginseng (Panax Quinqufolis) is readily available but still not 

cheap, selling at around $450 a lb dried. 



	Often commercial ginseng leaf tea has less than %10 ginseng.

Check the ingredients carefully, most are not listed by species.

Your best bet is to buy dried root or leaf from a ginseng buyer and 

exported. Pay his prices for the original product. There are other 

repudable dealers out there. Email for addresses.



I grow Am. ginseng, use my own and have taken the others and can tell 

you from expernice there is a very BIG difference.



	Read some books if you are interested to get a perspective, 

there are many good ones out there.

	Email me and I will help you. I will also sell you %100 pure 

ginseng leaf tea or dried roots if you prefer, woods grown organically

pure. Not trying to make money but just want you to a good product if 

you want it while promoting ginseng.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginsengs created equal?

From: "Y.K. Law (Mr.)" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 19 Sep 1996 11:48:43 GMT



Ginseng are not created equal.

It can be discriminate according to origins/ grading/ etc.

Common nature of most ginseng are:

- suitable for asthenia syndrome or qi (vitality or energetic flow)

dificiency only

- stimulate the qi in body, particularly the stomach and spleen

- rise the energetic flow from middle part to upper part (thence not

suitable for patient

suffering from hypertension, etc.)

Different ginseng will be different in:

- cool or hot in nature (cool ones to be used in hot syndrome and vice

versa)

- the difference in strength

Different origin will be something like this:

korea : hot

china : medium hot

us     : cool

Please do not use ginseng under hypertension (in blood pressure), or if you

are suffering from influensa, etc.

Do not insist on the most expensive one.  Appropriateness in the

application is more important than the grading of medicine.

Y.K. Law





Leggatt Judith A <3jal12@qlink.queensu.ca> wrote in article

<511ehp$s8i@knot.queensu.ca>...

> I was wondering what the differences were between the different forms of

> Ginseng on the market.  Is is simply a difference in strength, or do

> different forms of the plant (Siberean etc.) have different uses.  What

is

> considered best?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> 

> Judith

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginsengs created equal?

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:16:02 -0500



Y.K. Law (Mr.) wrote:

> 

> Ginseng are not created equal.

> It can be discriminate according to origins/ grading/ etc.

> Common nature of most ginseng are:

> - suitable for asthenia syndrome or qi (vitality or energetic flow)

> dificiency only

> - stimulate the qi in body, particularly the stomach and spleen

> - rise the energetic flow from middle part to upper part (thence not

> suitable for patient

> su

> > Ginseng on the market.  Is is simply a difference in strength, or do

> > different forms of the plant (Siberean etc.) have different uses.  What

> is

> > considered best?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Judith

> >Judith is right. Also Mature ginseng has alot more of the properties

that are desirable. That is woodsgrown 6-7 years old, wild 10 years 

old. Cultivated is usually harvested at 3 years old. The roots are big 

but the properties are less, that is why it is now selling at $30 

a pound dried. You can grow many more pounds because one must spray

with chemicals to keep it alive.



	Studies have shown that older ginseng has over 20 active 

ingredients whereas young shang has only 7 to 10. 



	I recommend woodsgrown at 7 yrs. old. This has the most 

properties without the chemicals.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginsengs created equal?

From: "Mark R. Brown" <markb@iglou.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:25:09 GMT



On 19 Sep 1996, Y.K. Law (Mr.) wrote:



> Different origin will be something like this:

> korea : hot

> china : medium hot

> us     : cool



What about Siberian Ginseng Root?  



Mark R. Brown                   |    Frolicking Buddha Spiritual Advocates

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginsengs created equal?

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 17:27:15 -0500



Mark R. Brown wrote:

> 

> On 19 Sep 1996, Y.K. Law (Mr.) wrote:

> 

> > Different origin will be something like this:

> > korea : hot

> > china : medium hot

> > us     : cool

> 

> What about Siberian Ginseng Root?

Siberian ginseng is not really ginseng. I can't find the latin name, 

but its in a different family. It has some ginseng like properties.

It is tightly controlled in Russia to prevent over harvesting and 

extinction. Considered not as strong as Am. or Chinese ginseng and used

for other purposes.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginsengs created equal?

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 25 Sep 1996 14:55:29 GMT







jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com> wrote in article

<32431A43.242@netheaven.com>...

> Mark R. Brown wrote:

> > 

> > On 19 Sep 1996, Y.K. Law (Mr.) wrote:

> > 

> > > Different origin will be something like this:

> > > korea : hot

> > > china : medium hot

> > > us     : cool

> > 

> > What about Siberian Ginseng Root?



Personally, I had not used Siberian Ginseng Root.  



However, a brochure named "Common Uses of Herbal Extracts" from a comm.

sector in Canada just came by, in which it was quoted:

"Siberian Ginseng  Part Used: Root. Common Use: Male and female tonic,

strengthens systme, increases endurance, energy, mental alertness,

stimulant; 

regulates low blood pressure, improves circulation, low blood sugar,

fatique, tonic

stress support.  Not for women if cystic (not to be used w/ caffeine or

vit. C).

Contraindication: elevates blood pressure."



Other source informed that this Siberian Ginseng belongs to the same family

of Ginseng.  The nature (when dried and unpreserved) would be similar to

the Am. Ginseng i.e. cool, supplement vitality and rise, etc.  If preserved

then depend on the methods and material of after process, usually they will

increase the warmness of it.



Regards yklaw



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Salvia availability..

From: marky@indy.net (Vegan-Boy)

Date: 9 Sep 1996 18:54:36 GMT



Anyone know where to get Salvia D.?



mark





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: help: low thyroid

From: Dixie <johnsone@spot.Colorado.EDU>

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:28:52 -0600



Hi Folks,



My friend has a thyroid problem, is sleepy a lot etc.



Are there any herbals to remedy this?



thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help: low thyroid

From: suzan@epix.net (Suzan)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 18:29:56 -0500



In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.960909132813.13011B-100000@spot.Colorado.EDU>,

Dixie <johnsone@spot.Colorado.EDU> wrote:



||Hi Folks,

||

||My friend has a thyroid problem, is sleepy a lot etc.

||

||Are there any herbals to remedy this?

||



Being low on energy doesn't necessarily mean there is a thyroid problem in

and of itself.... that could be alot of things... even as simple as not

getting enough sleep to begin with. many people underestimate just how

much sleep they need. Also lack of exercise can cause the same problem...

or depression...



However, if you really think it is the thyriod... Norrwegian Kelp is the

usual hebal reccommendation. Other than that western medicine offers

thyroid supplements. But once begun... they are nearly impossible to stop

taking since they shut down the thyriod gland itself in most cases.



Good Luck...



Suzan



*************************************************

"Live never to be ashamed if anything you do 

or say is published around the world...

even if what is published is not true." 

Richard Bach

************************************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help: low thyroid

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 20:09:10 GMT



In article <suzan-1509961829560001@qrvl-67ppp36.epix.net>,

   suzan@epix.net (Suzan) wrote:

>In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.960909132813.13011B-100000@spot.Colorado.EDU>,

>Dixie <johnsone@spot.Colorado.EDU> wrote:

>

>||Hi Folks,

>||

>||My friend has a thyroid problem, is sleepy a lot etc.

>||

>||Are there any herbals to remedy this?

>||

>

>Being low on energy doesn't necessarily mean there is a thyroid problem in

>and of itself.... that could be alot of things... even as simple as not

>getting enough sleep to begin with. many people underestimate just how

>much sleep they need. Also lack of exercise can cause the same problem...

>or depression...

>

>However, if you really think it is the thyriod... Norrwegian Kelp is the

>usual hebal reccommendation. Other than that western medicine offers

>thyroid supplements. But once begun... they are nearly impossible to stop

>taking since they shut down the thyriod gland itself in most cases.

>

>Good Luck...

>

>Suzan

>

>*************************************************

>"Live never to be ashamed if anything you do 

>or say is published around the world...

>even if what is published is not true." 

>Richard Bach

>************************************************





Besides Susan's good advice about the kelp,thyme is a thyoid stimulant and 

might help.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Arquebuse

From: <106140.121@compuserve.com>

Date: 9 Sep 1996 19:47:54 GMT





Hi !





Have you some information about ARQUEBUSE herbs.



I would like to know the effects of these plants and their role in our health.



                                                                                                                                   





Thank you.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pierced ear problem

From: lindacu@yoyo.wv.tek.com (Linda Cutsforth)

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 14:12:49 -0700



Hi.  I don't know if this group can help me, but here's the problem:  The

"pierced"  part of my pierced ears have stretched into VERTICAL holes.  I

didn't realize that I wore heavy earrings, but I guess I did....  



Does anyone know of any way to help close these pierced ear holes, besides

surgery?  I wondered if vitamin E oil would help, or maybe Aloe Vera

extract?  My ears were originally pierced when I was 17 (I'm in my early

40's now).  



About 4 years ago, I had my ear lobes pierced again --- in new spots ---

because the original holes were so elongated; one pierced ear hole has

even ripped through (yuck)!!!



Any suggestions to help close the pierced ear holes? 





Thank you for your help and suggestions, signed .......

Stretchy ear lobes



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Vervain

From: Jason Woodrow <jason_woodrow@om.cv.hp.com>

Date: 9 Sep 1996 22:09:24 GMT



I had a tea made from Vervain while in France and it was wonderful. I also saw

bottles of oil of Vervain which smelled very nice. However, when I grew Vervain

in my garden and brewed it, it tasted exacly like spinach. I have tried both

the leaves and the roots to no avail. Is there a varietal difference, or am I

just doing something wrong? The picture of the plant on the tea box looks like

the plant in my garden. My herbal books say that Vervain has no perfume and is

astringent to the taste. Can anyone suggest an answer?



-Jason





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Skin problems

From: ED GLUECK <amazon@ptd.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 20:43:47 -0400



My organization is headquartered in the lowland rainforest regions of 

the Ecuadorian Amazon.  We are currently developing a botanical product 

for the topical treatment of a variety of skin disorders including 

dandruff seborrhea, psoriasis, acne, burns, cuts bites abrasions, 

wounds, etc.etc.  The botanical is commonly called Sangre de Drago 

(Dragon's Blood.  It is the latex (sap) of the Croton licheri tree which 

grows wild in jungle regions throughout Ecuador & Peru.  I am not 

posting this to sell something.  We may be a long way from that.  But, I 

would entertain establishing dialogues with people who have interest in 

ameliorating many skin conditions.  As a side note, Sangre de Drago is 

taken in small amounts internally to get rid of "critters".



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Wrinkle Help?

From: Greg <gregs@ns.gold-link.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 20:53:05 -0400



Is there any remedies to aid wrinkles that are already on your face?



Greg



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: chewing

From: chz29@pcisys.net (Clay Hyink)

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:01:52 GMT



Anybody know any herbal substitutes or any herbs that will supress the

need for my disgusting chewing habit. The patch just isn't happening



Thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: miscarriage and herbs

From: Juanita Gandara <gandara@clark.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 18:13:03 -0700



Dear All,



I need help!  What herbs are good for helping to complete a miscarriage 

(I don't want to submit to the D&C).  Thanks for any advice.



Nita



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: miscarriage and herbs

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:38:58 +0100



In article <3234C09F.6F7F@clark.net>, Juanita Gandara

<gandara@clark.net> writes

>Dear All,

>

>I need help!  What herbs are good for helping to complete a miscarriage 

>(I don't want to submit to the D&C).  Thanks for any advice.

>

>Nita



Herbs used for abortion, are dangeriouse in less than proffesional hands

they can kill, as you are asking, you obviously do not have the

experience to use such herbs. Though I understand your problem, the

solution is not herbal.If someone should contact you with a list of

herbs, then ignore it. I am old enough to have seen the horror of back

st abortions, and herbal abortion in the hands of people without the

knowledge to use herbs properly, please think again.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: miscarriage and herbs

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 02:24:30 GMT



In article <3234C09F.6F7F@clark.net>,

   Juanita Gandara <gandara@clark.net> wrote:

>Dear All,

>

>I need help!  What herbs are good for helping to complete a miscarriage 

>(I don't want to submit to the D&C).  Thanks for any advice.

>

>Nita





Nita,

  Most of the abortifacient herbs tread a thin line between a safe and unsafe 

dose to achieve the desired effects.Are you absolutely sure a D&C is the only 

solution?

  You might talk to your doc about other alternatives.If your body is not 

expelling the retained tissue there could be a reason and trying to induce it 

could be disastrous to you.

Barbara 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: miscarriage and herbs

From: thatjoeguy@nortexinfo.net (thatjoeguy)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:49:29 GMT



sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner) wrote:



>In article <3234C09F.6F7F@clark.net>,

>   Juanita Gandara <gandara@clark.net> wrote:

>>Dear All,

>>

>>I need help!  What herbs are good for helping to complete a miscarriage 

>>(I don't want to submit to the D&C).  Thanks for any advice.

>>

>>Nita

I have heard False Unicorn Root can be used for this,but I don't know

the perticulars.

Maven





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: goldenseal growing

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 20:33:21 -0500



Has anyone out there had success in growing goldenseal from seeds?

I have been harvesting seeds from my plants, but few sprout. I know they 

don't like drying out and I cover with mulch. Any advice?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: botanical name of High John the Conqueror root?

From: stamper@indirect.com

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 01:53:05 GMT



Does anyone know the botanical name of High John the Conqueror root?

I can't find it anywhere and if you try to buy it they only state the

common name and no botanical name and it is infamously expensive for

so little I rather use my green thumb and grow it if I can find the

plant! Thanks!! :) 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: botanical name of High John the Conqueror root?

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 02:12:23 GMT



In article <512g4i$loj@globe.indirect.com>, stamper@indirect.com wrote:

>Does anyone know the botanical name of High John the Conqueror root?

>I can't find it anywhere and if you try to buy it they only state the

>common name and no botanical name and it is infamously expensive for

>so little I rather use my green thumb and grow it if I can find the

>plant! Thanks!! :) 

>

Hello,

   The name of that is Ipomoea Purga or Ipomoea jalapa.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cinnamon

From: cfine@interlog.com (Corby)

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 03:04:48 GMT



Can anyone give me some info on cinnamon.  I hear it has some benefits but 

would like to know more including it's milling and processing along with 

growing info...........etc.



Thanks,



Corby



Corby............(darkness)..... . . . .  .  .  .   .   .    .     .



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cinnamon

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 04:20:59 GMT



cfine@interlog.com (Corby) wrote:



>Can anyone give me some info on cinnamon. 



It has mild antifungal action.  Its main benefit is to stimulate the

appetite and make things more palatable.



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mandrake

From: Kytheriea and Laird Drake <miller@luna.cas.usf.edu>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:12:57 -0400





I am trying to get a hold of an entire European mandrake root. If anyone

knows how I might go about acquiring it, please e-mail me. Thank-you very

much.



                                Kytheriea

                           House Shadow Drake



                    E-Mail: miller@luna.cas.usf.edu

    Come visit us at Onyx Dimensions http://luna.cas.usf.edu/~miller





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mandrake

From: nobody@nowhere.com (Me)

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 05:38:17 GMT



On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:12:57 -0400 c.e., Kytheriea and Laird Drake

<miller@luna.cas.usf.edu> wrote:

>

>I am trying to get a hold of an entire European mandrake root. If anyone

>knows how I might go about acquiring it, please e-mail me. Thank-you very

>much.

>

>                                Kytheriea

>                           House Shadow Drake

>

>                    E-Mail: miller@luna.cas.usf.edu

>    Come visit us at Onyx Dimensions http://luna.cas.usf.edu/~miller

>



According to an old legend, the ONLY way to obtain a whole mandrake

root is to go out at midnight, with your best hunting dog, on the

night of the new moon (or was that full moon? I forget now, but the

phase of the moon was of utmost importance.). Then you loosen the dirt

around the root, tie a very strong string or small rope to it, and tie

the other end to your dog. Plug up your ears with wax and cotten, then

go far away from the dog, but not so far that it can't hear you call

it's name. Then you call the dog and it rips up the whole root from

the ground. The root letting out such a piercing, blood-curdling

scream that your dog falls down dead, and if you've stopped up your

ears well enough, you won't go mad from the sound it makes. Now, I

don't know if you'll get many europeans willing to sacrifice their

best hunting dog or sanity for you, nor obtain this root with all its

powers intact this way. But I wish you luck. I just thought you might

like to know what you are up against if you want to get a whole

mandrake root in it's authentic form. :)



This is what I remember from my childhood, reading about obtaining a

mandrake root, maybe they have more modern methods now. After all, it

could only be a legend, I've never had a situtation that demanded I

risk losing my dog or going insane to obtain one. Any takers?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mandrake

From: Kytheriea and Laird Drake <miller@luna.cas.usf.edu>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:34:13 -0400



On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Me wrote:



> powers intact this way. But I wish you luck. I just thought you might

> like to know what you are up against if you want to get a whole

> mandrake root in it's authentic form. :)



Ah, yes, I am quite familiar with this. ;) At this point, I would go so

far as to be willing to accept a mandrake root through a company, although

I would much prefer it to be obtained via traditional methods (ie tying

the root to the tail of a black dog and having it pulled out of the

ground).



For calling the Sluagh Sidhe forth and to summon the Hunt, a mandrake is

much preferred to using a poppet. And so, I am in a race against time to

find a whole mandrake root for the occasion.



                                Kytheriea

                           House Shadow Drake



                    E-Mail: miller@luna.cas.usf.edu

    Come visit us at Onyx Dimensions http://luna.cas.usf.edu/~miller





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mandrake

From: bpetty@primenet.com (BP)

Date: 12 Sep 1996 18:44:04 -0700



In article <Pine.GSO.3.92.960912203028.25366A-100000@luna.cas.usf.edu>, miller@luna.cas.usf.edu 

says...

>

>On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Me wrote:

>

>> powers intact this way. But I wish you luck. I just thought you might

>> like to know what you are up against if you want to get a whole

>> mandrake root in it's authentic form. :)

>

>Ah, yes, I am quite familiar with this. ;) At this point, I would go so

>far as to be willing to accept a mandrake root through a company, although

>I would much prefer it to be obtained via traditional methods (ie tying

>the root to the tail of a black dog and having it pulled out of the

>ground).

>

>For calling the Sluagh Sidhe forth and to summon the Hunt, a mandrake is

>much preferred to using a poppet. And so, I am in a race against time to

>find a whole mandrake root for the occasion.

>

>                                Kytheriea

>                           House Shadow Drake

>

>                    E-Mail: miller@luna.cas.usf.edu

>    Come visit us at Onyx Dimensions http://luna.cas.usf.edu/~miller



Och, its the calling of the Sluagh Sidhe for the summonin' o the Hunt

you be after?  Nay, a poppet is the only t'ing for it!







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mandrake

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:32:19 -0500



Kytheriea and Laird Drake wrote:

> 

> I am trying to get a hold of an entire European mandrake root. If anyone

> knows how I might go about acquiring it, please e-mail me. Thank-you very

To any novice or anyone else, mandrake is mayapple. The roots and leaves

are toxic.The fruit is edible when it turns deep yellow in late August.

The fruit hangs from a node in the center of the plant and smells 

like an apple when ripe. It supposidily has mystical properties, but

don't believe it. It grows like a weed around here in central NY.

It is best left alone unless you are starving in the woods and 

know what it looks like.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cold remedies??!?!

From: Penny Freshwater <pfreshwa@hr.house.gov>

Date: 10 Sep 1996 15:06:52 GMT



Today is the first of the rest.......no, no, wait!  Today is the first

day of a new cold coming on...Stuffy head, scratchy throat...general 

feeling of Yucky...I am taking 2000 mg of C-plus citrus bioflavonoids 

every hour and 200mg of Echinacea with 200 mg Goldenseal every 

hour....does any one know of any other remedies?  I can tolerate most of 

the symptoms but the thought of another sore throat is dishartening







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold remedies??!?!

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Rick)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:31:46 GMT



Penny Freshwater <pfreshwa@hr.house.gov> wrote:



>Today is the first of the rest.......no, no, wait!  Today is the first

>day of a new cold coming on...Stuffy head, scratchy throat...general 

>feeling of Yucky...I am taking 2000 mg of C-plus citrus bioflavonoids 

>every hour and 200mg of Echinacea with 200 mg Goldenseal every 

>hour....does any one know of any other remedies?  I can tolerate most of 

>the symptoms but the thought of another sore throat is dishartening



Try the chinese patent medicine "Yinchiao Chieh Tu Pien" known as "Yin

Chiao Tablets", you can also try "Gan Mao Ling Pian" known as

"Ganmaoling Tablets". These 2 remedies must be taken in the first or

second day of the symptoms for 3 days. You can find these remedies in

a chinatown or ask to a chinese herbalist. These remedies are made

from chinese herbs and are free from side effect. For the sore throat

you can try "Hou Yan Wan" known as "Laryngitis Pills", also "Chuan Xin

Lian Kang Yan Pian" known as "Antiphlogistic Pills" (herbal

antibiotic).



Rick







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold remedies??!?!

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:06:04 +0100



In article <517424$j4q@news.quebectel.com>, Rick <rreno@quebectel.com>

writes

>Penny Freshwater <pfreshwa@hr.house.gov> wrote:

>

>>Today is the first of the rest.......no, no, wait!  Today is the first

>>day of a new cold coming on...Stuffy head, scratchy throat...general 

>>feeling of Yucky...I am taking 2000 mg of C-plus citrus bioflavonoids 

>>every hour and 200mg of Echinacea with 200 mg Goldenseal every 

>>hour....does any one know of any other remedies?  I can tolerate most of 

>>the symptoms but the thought of another sore throat is dishartening

>

>Try the chinese patent medicine "Yinchiao Chieh Tu Pien" known as "Yin

>Chiao Tablets", you can also try "Gan Mao Ling Pian" known as

>"Ganmaoling Tablets". These 2 remedies must be taken in the first or

>second day of the symptoms for 3 days. You can find these remedies in

>a chinatown or ask to a chinese herbalist. These remedies are made

>from chinese herbs and are free from side effect. For the sore throat

>you can try "Hou Yan Wan" known as "Laryngitis Pills", also "Chuan Xin

>Lian Kang Yan Pian" known as "Antiphlogistic Pills" (herbal

>antibiotic).

>

>Rick

>

>



A remedy that is simple and works well, is raw onions, I prefure them in

a sandwich, they are quite tasty that way. you can add a little garlic

but it is not stricktly neccicary.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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==========

To: pfreshwa@hr.house.gov

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold remedies??!?!

From: Dave & Caroline <bigdave@olympus.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 16:47:21 -0700



Rick wrote:

> 

> Penny Freshwater <pfreshwa@hr.house.gov> wrote:

> 

> >Today is the first of the rest.......no, no, wait!  Today is the first

> >day of a new cold coming on...Stuffy head, scratchy throat...general

> >feeling of Yucky...I am taking 2000 mg of C-plus citrus bioflavonoids

> >every hour and 200mg of Echinacea with 200 mg Goldenseal every

> >hour....does any one know of any other remedies?  I can tolerate most of

> >the symptoms but the thought of another sore throat is dishartening

> 

> Try the chinese patent medicine "Yinchiao Chieh Tu Pien" known as "Yin

> Chiao Tablets", you can also try "Gan Mao Ling Pian" known as

> "Ganmaoling Tablets". These 2 remedies must be taken in the first or

> second day of the symptoms for 3 days. You can find these remedies in

> a chinatown or ask to a chinese herbalist. These remedies are made

> from chinese herbs and are free from side effect. For the sore throat

> you can try "Hou Yan Wan" known as "Laryngitis Pills", also "Chuan Xin

> Lian Kang Yan Pian" known as "Antiphlogistic Pills" (herbal

> antibiotic).

> 

> Rick



I know this idea isn't what you'd call herbal but it's something We've 

been finding affective in our household. Take a second and close your 

eyes.Picture a friendly monster that destroys ugly cold and flu viruses 

or any other kind of virus that might want to have it's way w/you.

Now have that friendly monster search in your nose,throat,ears anywhere 

you think the virus or germs are and have it destroy ,in whatever manner 

you are comfortable with, the germs and viruses.



You can let this picture flash in you mind every so often throughout the 

day and before you go to sleep at night. 



You are just giving your immune system a boost by visually fighting 

instead of thinking ,I'm sick, I'm sick. This tells your body what to do 

besides that your supposed to be sick.



The vitamin C is a great help too. But try this visualization. It can't

hurt.



C.J.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Penny Freshwater <pfreshwa@hr.house.gov>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold remedies??!?!

From: Kent and Kat Dyer <kdyer@nash.tds.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 00:11:56 -0700



From  _Dian Dincin Buchman's Herbal Medicine_ by D.D. Buchman

"2 tsp cayanne pepper

1 1/2 tsp sea salt or common salt

1 cup boiling water

1 cup apple cider vinegar (must be apple cider)



grind cayenne & salt to form paste.  add boiling water or strong, 

strained chamomile tea.  steep and cool.  add vinegar.  label.  most 

adults can take between a teaspoon and a tablespoon every 1/2 hour.  if 

too strong you can dilute."



When I'm sick this tastes wonderful to me.  I've had far fewer cases of 

strep since I learned this recipie.  It's also good for flu prevention.  

It numbs your throat and gives you an energy boo.



Kat



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold remedies??!?!

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:00:51 -0500







On 10 Sep 1996, Penny Freshwater wrote:



> Today is the first of the rest.......no, no, wait!  Today is the first

> day of a new cold coming on...Stuffy head, scratchy throat...general 

> feeling of Yucky...I am taking 2000 mg of C-plus citrus bioflavonoids 

> every hour and 200mg of Echinacea with 200 mg Goldenseal every 

> hour....does any one know of any other remedies?  I can tolerate most of 

> the symptoms but the thought of another sore throat is dishartening

> 

> 

> 

> 

Are you gargling? 1 teaspoon of table salt in 8oz of hot water. Use as a 

gargle as often as you can. It usually wards off a sore throat for me. 



Cissy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold remedies??!?!

From: dacak@blaze.trentu.ca (Cathy A. Kidd)

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:19:11 GMT





Hello 



I had a sore throat on its way last week - at the first sign of it, I slowly sucked on a zinc tablet.  I did that twice a day for three days and the sore

throat felt better and went away.  The best part, I did not develop a cold

except for a little congestion that also went away. 



Zinc tastes fine and it did act as an immediate albiet short-term relief.



Cathy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold remedies??!?!

From: herbalincl@aol.com (HerbalIncl)

Date: 15 Sep 1996 23:15:57 -0400



If I feel a cold coming on I saute a couple of large cloves of garlic in a

pan in balsamic vinegar for a couple of minutes. Remove them from the pan

and cut them into pill size pieces after they cool. After they're cut I

simply take them with water. Within 24 - 48 hrs. I feel much better,

almost as if the oncoming cold is gone. 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Legal smoking herbs

From: marky@indy.net (Vegan-Boy)

Date: 10 Sep 1996 18:19:23 GMT



Can anyone reccomend any herbs (or herb blends) which are good for smoking?

mark



thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Legal smoking herbs

From: awest@mail.net-connect.net (August West)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:57:57 GMT



marky@indy.net (Vegan-Boy) wrote:



>Can anyone reccomend any herbs (or herb blends) which are good for smoking?

>mark



>thanks



Hi Mark,



I posted a very similar question not long ago.  I was trying to wane

myself off a long time marijauna habit.  I've concluded that NOTHING

IS GOOD TO SMOKE!  (If it is going in your lungs.)   Smoke, no matter

what the source is BAD FOR HUMAN LUNGS.  



This wasn't meant to come across as a flame.  Just my humble opinion,

but ask any doctor.....

August West



"Some day I'll get up and fly away..."









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Incense

From: fm312@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brina Burke)

Date: 10 Sep 1996 21:03:56 GMT





Hi, all!



Does anyone have any detailed recipes for combustible incense?

I'm especially interested in recipes that include powdered herbs.

I realize there are several good books on the subject (none of

which I can afford to buy), but they all seem to be in high

demand at my public library.  if anyone has info or knows of a

web site I can check out, I would greatly appreciate the help.



You can contact me at bc084@scn.org.



Thanks!

-- 

"It's a fucking tragedy is what it is, Ned." --Hal Hartley



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Incense

From: Cindy Pflugh <cindyp@axxess.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:18:06 -0600



Brina Burke wrote:

> 

> Hi, all!

> 

> Does anyone have any detailed recipes for combustible incense?

> I'm especially interested in recipes that include powdered herbs.

> I realize there are several good books on the subject (none of

> which I can afford to buy), but they all seem to be in high

> demand at my public library.  if anyone has info or knows of a

> web site I can check out, I would greatly appreciate the help.

> 

> You can contact me at bc084@scn.org.

> 

> Thanks!

> --

> "It's a fucking tragedy is what it is, Ned." --Hal Hartley



Hi! I saved a huge list of incense recipes from The Witchs-Brew,

(www.witchs-brew.com) Lady Morgan Moonstones Book of Shadows.  She

has updated her web page since then but I betcha they are still

there. Some of them include herbs and resins I am not familier with

but reading her recipes gives you an idea of what smells good with

what.

I don't know if you plan on making your own from scratch, but I have

had no luck in doing so.  I finally went out and bought some charcoal

things that contain saltpeter and all you do is sprinkle your herb

combination on the smoldering charcoal.  Also, the charcoals are about

as big as a fifty-cent piece, I break them into 3 or 4 pieces and use

a piece at a time.

I hope this info isn't old news to you.

If you succeed in incense from scratch, I would like your recipe.

Peace

Cindy

cindyp@axxess.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Incense

From: mugwert@ime.net (Cat Tambling & Jim Buttitta)

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 13:44:50 GMT



Wylundt's Book of Incense (published by Weiser, ISBN0-87728-869-0) has

many excellent recipes.  The book is also a refernce for the herbs

used in making incense, giving planetary, elemental, and magical

correspondances for each herb.

-

mugwert



****************************************

*    Jim Buttitta  mugwert@ime.net     *

*  Dance with Pan  Drink with Bacchus  *

****************************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Incense

From: drgonmarsh@aol.com (DRGONMARSH)

Date: 22 Sep 1996 21:25:29 -0400



Wylents book is good . Also look at the scented altar by katyln. Some

great combinations. All the hard to find ingredients can be found at our

apothecary as we specialize in make it yourself.  Ask drgonmarsh@aol.com

for more details.

Mora



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Prostate Problems

From: art2@usa.pipeline.com

Date: 11 Sep 1996 02:35:05 GMT



Can someone suggest some remedies for a 

somewhat enlarged prostrate? 

 

Art



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Prostate Problems

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 04:19:20 GMT



art2@usa.pipeline.com wrote:



>Can someone suggest some remedies for a 

>somewhat enlarged prostrate? 



See my post called "Diet and Supplement Tips" and follow the Stones

and Crystals advice.  To palliate the problem in the short term, take

saw palmetto herb or extract, or any of the many combination prostate

supplements that contain it.  If the Stones and Crystals regimen does

not totally cure the problem in 6 weeks, see my advice on "Metals" in

the post called "Toxin Reduction in the Home and Diet" and follow it

strictly.  In the meantime, do not use metal cookware or utensils.



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Prostate Problems

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Rick)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:02:44 GMT



art2@usa.pipeline.com wrote:



>Can someone suggest some remedies for a 

>somewhat enlarged prostrate? 

> 

>Art



Try the chinese patent medicine "Qian Lie Xian Wan" also name

"Prostate Gland Pills", take 6 pills x 3 times / day. You can find

this product in a chinatown or try to have one from a chinese

herbalist. You will see a change after 1 bottle (90 pills). This

product is made with chinese herbs and have no side effect.



Rick





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb question

From: Jay <redfern@galesburg.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:07:02 -0700



Can anyone fill me in on the different kinds of ginseng, like American 

and Korean. What's the best. Also, how many herbs is a safe to take at 

one time?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Jay <redfern@galesburg.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb question

From: Esta M Weiss <weiss@U.Arizona.EDU>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:57:48 -0700



On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Jay wrote:



> Can anyone fill me in on the different kinds of ginseng, like American 

> and Korean. What's the best. Also, how many herbs is a safe to take at 

> one time?

> American is considered the best of all types.. even by the Asian peoples

who import it by the ton...it is considered stonger... korean china

japan.. all are about the same as far as potency...siberinan ginseng.. is

not a true ginseng at all... but has many of the same effects.. its

particually good for fatigue...

as to your other question.. only study can give you that answer...safety

depends on what herbs.. how often.. how many complement each other..

controdict each other..ect.. only in depth study of the herbs you plan to

take can tell you that.. yours ESta > 



----------------------

Esta M Weiss..:)

weiss@U.Arizona.EDU

http://u.arizona.edu/~weiss

Blessed Be to all..





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HERBS TO TAKE DURING PREGNANCY

From: Darren Lindberg <darrenl@sk.sympatico.ca>

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:47:29 -0700



Hi there!!



My wife and I have just learned that we are about to have a new baby - 

our first!!  Does anyone out there in the world somewhere have some 

knowledge of what herbs to take and what not to take (or avoid) during 

pregnancy?  Please supply (if you can) any literature references that can 

back up your suggestions.  Thank-you to anyone who can help.



Darren



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBS TO TAKE DURING PREGNANCY

From: blnkscreen@aol.com (Blnkscreen)

Date: 12 Sep 1996 02:37:42 -0400



In article <32365271.60E3@sk.sympatico.ca>, Darren Lindberg

<darrenl@sk.sympatico.ca> writes:



>My wife and I have just learned that we are about to have a new baby - 

>our first!!  Does anyone out there in the world somewhere have some 

>knowledge of what herbs to take and what not to take (or avoid) during 

>pregnancy?  Please supply (if you can) any literature references that can



>back up your suggestions.  Thank-you to anyone who can help.



Congratulations on the pregnancy!  I have heard that eating large amounts

of

parsley can cause an abortion.  Please check this out with someone more

knowledgeable, but I just wanted to bring it to your attention.



                                                            -MMB







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBS TO TAKE DURING PREGNANCY

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 12 Sep 1996 03:17:41 -0400



In article <32365271.60E3@sk.sympatico.ca>, Darren Lindberg

<darrenl@sk.sympatico.ca> writes:



>  Does anyone out there in the world somewhere have some 

>knowledge of what herbs to take and what not to take (or avoid) during 

>pregnancy?



Get Susun Weed's Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year, an favorite

of midwives in this area.  



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBS TO TAKE DURING PREGNANCY

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:06:54 +0100



In article <518del$dut@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, HealingPgs

<healingpgs@aol.com> writes

>In article <32365271.60E3@sk.sympatico.ca>, Darren Lindberg

><darrenl@sk.sympatico.ca> writes:

>

>>  Does anyone out there in the world somewhere have some 

>>knowledge of what herbs to take and what not to take (or avoid) during 

>>pregnancy?

>

>Get Susun Weed's Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year, an favorite

>of midwives in this area.  

>

>Regards,

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

>e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

>http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



Raspberry leaf tea has a long reputation for putting the reproductive

organs and the womb in the best of shape, never take herbs to early in

you pregnancy about 5 months would be fine. and only take the tea 2. 3

times a week, it is also historically supposed, to ease labour, and make

childbirth easier.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBS TO TAKE DURING PREGNANCY

From: ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:47:34 GMT



healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) wrote:



>In article <32365271.60E3@sk.sympatico.ca>, Darren Lindberg

><darrenl@sk.sympatico.ca> writes:



>>  Does anyone out there in the world somewhere have some 

>>knowledge of what herbs to take and what not to take (or avoid) during 

>>pregnancy?



>Get Susun Weed's Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year, an favorite

>of midwives in this area.  



>Regards,

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

>e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

>http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





hi,

it really isnt a good idea to take anything much during pregnancy

except a very healthy fresh food diet..

raspberry leaf tea is good to drink all the way through, although one

cup per day is plenty, it isnt necessary to over consume it :)

also, if you are worried about getting enough calcium, instead of

drinking mass quantitys of milk which is the biggest food allergen

known to us, you should try a cup of chammomile tea with a teaspoon of

honey in it at bedtime.

herbal teas are about as strong as you should go during pregnancy, and

try to avoid all drugs and toxins (no doubt you know this )



ashryn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Darren Lindberg <darrenl@sk.sympatico.ca>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBS TO TAKE DURING PREGNANCY

From: Esta M Weiss <weiss@U.Arizona.EDU>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:10:56 -0700



On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Darren Lindberg wrote:



> Hi there!!

> 

> My wife and I have just learned that we are about to have a new baby - 

> our first!!  Does anyone out there in the world somewhere have some 

> knowledge of what herbs to take and what not to take (or avoid) during 

> pregnancy?  Please supply (if you can) any literature references that can 

> back up your suggestions.  Thank-you to anyone who can help.

> 

> Darren

Dear Darren..

	here is a partial list.. im sure there are others..

aloe..(internaly) black cohosh.. blue cohosh..caraway.. burdock..cascara

sagrada... coffee... coltsfoot...ephedra....fennel..( in large doses )..

gentian...ginseng ( anykind ) hops...horehound..hyssop ( in large doses

).. mandrake... marjoram...mint oils... misltoe... motherwort..

nutmeg..pennyroyal; ( dont even touch it..) oregano..rhubarb... rue..

saffron.... sage( if nurseing..will stop lactioaion..) shepherds purse..

tansy...uva ursi...valerian.... wild cherry...yarrow..licorce root...

most of these are to be avoided as they bring on menas...



herbs good for.. morning sickness..

allspice...cinnniamon...ginger... mint ( leaf not the oil..) papaya...

rosemary..red rasberry..cayenne..marshmellow root..basil..

rasberry is also good to prevent miscarrige in person subject to them... 

as ever.. check the history of all herbs.. for personal controdictions

before use..and test all herbs in small amount for potenical allegieis..

yours Esta>

> the herb book.. jhon lust

doherbs.. sandy brooks

back to eden.. gloss..



----------------------

Esta M Weiss..:)

weiss@U.Arizona.EDU

http://u.arizona.edu/~weiss

Blessed Be to all..





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBS TO TAKE DURING PREGNANCY

From: JWell@cwo.com

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 03:06:48 GMT



Esta M Weiss <weiss@U.Arizona.EDU> wrote these amazing words:



>On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Darren Lindberg wrote:



>> Hi there!!

>> 

>> My wife and I have just learned that we are about to have a new baby - 

>> our first!!  Does anyone out there in the world somewhere have some 

>> knowledge of what herbs to take and what not to take (or avoid) during 

>> pregnancy?  Please supply (if you can) any literature references that can 

>> back up your suggestions.  Thank-you to anyone who can help.

>> 

>> Darren

>Dear Darren..

>	here is a partial list.. im sure there are others..

>aloe..(internaly) black cohosh.. blue cohosh..caraway.. burdock..cascara

>sagrada... coffee... coltsfoot...ephedra....fennel..( in large doses )..

>gentian...ginseng ( anykind ) hops...horehound..hyssop ( in large doses

>).. mandrake... marjoram...mint oils... misltoe... motherwort..

>nutmeg..pennyroyal; ( dont even touch it..) oregano..rhubarb... rue..

>saffron.... sage( if nurseing..will stop lactioaion..) shepherds purse..

>tansy...uva ursi...valerian.... wild cherry...yarrow..licorce root...

>most of these are to be avoided as they bring on menas...



>herbs good for.. morning sickness..

>allspice...cinnniamon...ginger... mint ( leaf not the oil..) papaya...

>rosemary..red rasberry..cayenne..marshmellow root..basil..

>rasberry is also good to prevent miscarrige in person subject to them... 

>as ever.. check the history of all herbs.. for personal controdictions

>before use..and test all herbs in small amount for potenical allegieis..

>yours Esta>

>> the herb book.. jhon lust

>doherbs.. sandy brooks

>back to eden.. gloss..



>----------------------

>Esta M Weiss..:)

>weiss@U.Arizona.EDU

>http://u.arizona.edu/~weiss

>Blessed Be to all..



That's wonderful...it is so much nicer to help people with the

question instead of telling them to buy a book.  Giving book

references is great...but giving immediate help is better.  Isn't that

what sharing with others is all about? And isn't that what alternative

medicine is all about?  To help others increase their knowledge to

live better lives??



<smile>

J





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBS TO TAKE DURING PREGNANCY

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 22:52:41 GMT



In article <32365271.60E3@sk.sympatico.ca>,

   Darren Lindberg <darrenl@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Hi there!!

>

>My wife and I have just learned that we are about to have a new baby - 

>our first!!  Does anyone out there in the world somewhere have some 

>knowledge of what herbs to take and what not to take (or avoid) during 

>pregnancy?  Please supply (if you can) any literature references that can 

>back up your suggestions.  Thank-you to anyone who can help.

>

>Darren





Congratulations!

    Juniper is also a no no during pregnancy.Also shez's advice about the 

raspberry is excellent,but I don't think you should use it until the eighth 

and ninth months.Perhaps she will give us more advice on this.

  here is a massage oil recipe for stretch mark prevention:50 ml wheatgerm 

oil,20 drops lavender essential oil,5 drops neroli essential oil.The neroli is 

expensive,you could leave it out if you wish.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBS TO TAKE DURING PREGNANCY

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 15:31:00 +0100



In article <51co8l$5u9@tkhut.sojourn.com>, Stephen Jahner

<sjahner@sojourn.com> writes

>In article <32365271.60E3@sk.sympatico.ca>,

>   Darren Lindberg <darrenl@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>>Hi there!!

>>

>>My wife and I have just learned that we are about to have a new baby - 

>>our first!!  Does anyone out there in the world somewhere have some 

>>knowledge of what herbs to take and what not to take (or avoid) during 

>>pregnancy?  Please supply (if you can) any literature references that can 

>>back up your suggestions.  Thank-you to anyone who can help.

>>

>>Darren

>

>

>Congratulations!

>    Juniper is also a no no during pregnancy.Also shez's advice about the 

>raspberry is excellent,but I don't think you should use it until the eighth 

>and ninth months.Perhaps she will give us more advice on this.

>  here is a massage oil recipe for stretch mark prevention:50 ml wheatgerm 

>oil,20 drops lavender essential oil,5 drops neroli essential oil.The neroli is 

>expensive,you could leave it out if you wish.

>Barbara



Raspberry leaf tea in a weak infussion, can be taken from 5 months

onwards as long as it is taken sensibly, only 2 or 3 times a week this

will do no harm  to the baby, I used this myself during my own pregnancy

on the advice of my Herbalist grandmother, I have two healthy,

intelligent children, (though they might argue the children bit they are

both over thirty) Raspberry leaf tea, puts the reproductive organs and

womb in tip top shape, and can help reduce any problems of a late

pregnancy. and can help those who are trying to get pregnant.

Like the Stretch marks oil. I have one or two, but will add this to my

receipes

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBS TO TAKE DURING PREGNANCY

From: Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:33:02 GMT





Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>>   Darren Lindberg <darrenl@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:



>>>Hi there!!



>>>My wife and I have just learned that we are about to have a new baby - 

>>>our first!!  Does anyone out there in the world somewhere have some 

>>>knowledge of what herbs to take and what not to take (or avoid)

>>>during pregnancy?  Please supply (if you can) any literature

>>>references that can back up your suggestions.  Thank-you to anyone

>>>who can help.



>Raspberry leaf tea in a weak infussion, can be taken from 5 months

>onwards as long as it is taken sensibly, only 2 or 3 times a week this

>will do no harm  to the baby, I used this myself during my own 

>pregnancy on the advice of my Herbalist grandmother, I have two

>healthy, intelligent children, (though they might argue the children

>bit they are both over thirty) Raspberry leaf tea, puts the

>reproductive organs and womb in tip top shape, and can help reduce any

>problems of a late pregnancy. and can help those who are trying to get

>pregnant. Like the Stretch marks oil. I have one or two, but will add

>this to my receipes



I drank RRL tea every day from the start and switched to a rather

strong infusion that I drank 1 cup of EVERY day in the 2nd tri and

2 cups EVERY day in the 3rd tri, at the advice of my midwife.  Actually

I used a blend of RRRl and nettles.  I know in the U.K. (from posts in

misc.kids.pregnancy) that they're more conservative with RRL, and I 

checked with several midwives and professional herbalists and none

of them had ever heard of limiting its intake at all (except during

premature labor since it strengthens the uterus/pelvic mucles).  But

for healthy pregnancies there should be no problem.  Aside from its

strengthening properties RRL had lots of calcium and other vitamins.

Nettles keeps the kidneys strong and has lots of chloraphyll, iron

and other vitamins and minerals.



The active 'ingredient' in RRL is fragrine which relaxes the opposing

muscles of the uterus so that the 'working' muscles can do their job.

The way it helps the reproductive organs is by insuring adequate

nutrition (especially calcium).



Eating dandelion leaves is EXCELLENT during pregnancy.  I eat them

three times per week. They are very high in minerals including iron

and most of the b-vitamins and contain an akaloid called choline which

keeps the liver healthy (very important during pregnancy).  



Also, she should watch her protein intake (70-100 grams per day are

important) as well as mineral (especially calcium and magnesium and

potassium and iron) and b  vitamin intake and do NOT limit salt intake. 

Those are all important steps in avoiding pre-eclampsia for most women,

which is usually a form of pregnancy malnutrition with liver

complications.  (See  _What Every Pregnant Woman Should Know: The Truth

about Diet and Drugs in Pregnancy_ by Gail Brewer and Tom Brewer, MD

and Brewer's other book _Metabolic Toxemia of Late Pregnancy: A disease

of malnutrition_ Keats Publishing 1982.  Kat -- please read the latter

before you once again try to say it's not true; I don't know how you

can attempt to refute it when you don't even fully understand what 

they're saying.)



And do your wife and baby a favor and seek midwifery care!!!!



Probably the definitive book about herbs for pregnancy and postpartum

is _Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year_ by Susun S. Weed. 

Ideally you can find a midwife with experience with herbs or seek 

an herbalist.  The book should just be a starting point. If you can't

get a bookstore to order it, you can get it from a MoonFlower Natural Product catalog; Cascade HealthCare Products, Inc., 141 Commer=

cial Street NE, Salem, Orgeon, USA, 97301; (503) 371-4445l 9am to 4pm

Pacific Time. Or if their 800# works in Canada it's (800)443-9942



Avoid: ginseng, ma huang, licorice root, dong quai.  (That's all I can

think of off hand.)



This reminds me ... it's time to go put the kettle on; I'm now 

expecting my 2nd in December!



Best of luck!

--

Morning Glory





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Engine Degreaser in your Shampoo????

From: Will White <will.white@asu.edu>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:58:49 -0700



Kenneth@SuccessTeams.com wrote:

> 

>                        Consumer <<ALERT>> Notice!

> 

> Did you know your toothpaste, hair, and body shampoo has

> harsh engine degreaser in it? ... (Sodium Laureth/Lauryl Sulfate)?

> 

> Do you know your Shaving Cream uses ANTI-FREEZE as an ingredient? ...

> (Propylene Glycol)

 

This is misleading. SLS is used in newer brands of degreaser, and PG 

in 'Sierra' brand automotive anti-freeze. In both cases, these 

ingredients are used because they are safer, and pollute less, than 

older substances, like toluene and *ethylene* (the sweet-tasting 

substance with fatal toxicity--pets and small children die from 

ingesting small amounts every year) glycol. PG and EG are used because 

they are non-volatile alcohols, unlike ethanol or propanol. This *AD* 

(edit from above) plays on naive fear. These substances may not be 

safe or desireable in food and cosmetic products, but not simply 

because they are used for other purposes. Sodium chloride is an 

ingredient in some fire extinguishers, but it would clery be 

dangerously silly to remove all NaCl from our diets.\



--Will



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Engine Degreaser in your Shampoo????

From: email.naturesway@ukonline.co.uk

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 14:30:38 GMT



Kenneth@SuccessTeams.com wrote:



>                       Consumer <<ALERT>> Notice! 



>Did you know your toothpaste, hair, and body shampoo has

>harsh engine degreaser in it? ... (Sodium Laureth/Lauryl Sulfate)?



SLS has this month been highlighted in HERE'S HEALTH magazine as one

of the most user friendly products in shampoos, as it's base is from

cocoinut oil , but yes it has recieved some processing.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Smooth Patch on my Tongue - Why?

From: an38774@anon.penet.fi. (an38774@anon.penet.fi.)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:02:42 -0400



Periodically, I get a smooth patch a skin on my tongue (the taste buds

dissappear).  I went to a naturalpathic doctor and he said I have

geographic tongue.  He said I am not assimulating nutrients properly.  I

have been taking the prescribed vitamins (too many to list!) but the

problem is still there!  This patch does clear up but returns again every

other month.



Also, when I get this patch, my skin gets oily and breaks out too.  The

pimples I get aren't the regular ones either!  They contain clear fluid and

won't dry up when you try to get rid of them.  I was told that I have some

kind of internal infection within me.  The only way I know how to get rid

of them is using an antibotic acne prescription.  



Does anyone know what's causing this tongue or skin problem?  They seem to

be connected to each other since they appear at the same time.



Thanks....Kay   email murph@nortel.ca 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smooth Patch on my Tongue - Why?

From: evoltwin@cyberden.com (evoltwin)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 05:06:55 GMT



In article <an38774-110996090242@47.69.135.106>, an38774@anon.penet.fi.

(an38774@anon.penet.fi.) wrote:





> Also, when I get this patch, my skin gets oily and breaks out too.  The

> pimples I get aren't the regular ones either!  They contain clear fluid and

> won't dry up when you try to get rid of them.  I was told that I have some

> kind of internal infection within me.  The only way I know how to get rid

> of them is using an antibotic acne prescription.  





i just looked up mouth inflammation [stomatitis] and it says Leucoplasia

is an inflammation of the tongue which produces white patches.... bilberry

is good if you hold it in your mouth ,dont swallow it though it says it

causes loose bowels for some.  Just go to the herb store and then make a

"tea" and rinse.  I bet the acne is related but only due to the stress of

not knowing what to do about your mouth... one thing leads to another.  If

i were you I would find our more about Leucoplasia and see if that is in

fact what you have before you follow any of this.



good for acne Burdock, Echinacea, Wild Strawberry....Cucumber fresh,,, yummm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smooth Patch on my Tongue - Why?

From: evoltwin@cyberden.com (evoltwin)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 05:20:53 GMT



Hey I just discovered that Bilberries are Blueberries are Huckleberries, 

so if you can get a hold of any of these.. although I think its the

highbush type,  then make a mouth wash... out of the juice and just swish

it around.. it should do something after prolonged application...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sunflowers are ready

From: sellers@psyber.com (Best Sellers)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:48:26 GMT



I have a few sunflowers ready for harvest, and would like to

know what to do with the seeds.  



My guess is roast 'em (300oF, 30 min), soak 'em five minutes

in really salty brine, dry 'em.  



-or-



soak 'em 20 min in really salty brine, and roast 'em 300oF

about 40 min or until dry.  



Either one close?   Got a better way?  TX

______

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I have sworn on the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of 

tyranny over the mind of man. (1800)  Thomas Jefferson



Whenever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found 

state education. It has been discovered that the best way to insure 

implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery. (1874) 

Benjamin Disraeli



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: vetiver ?

From: gonzaleg@milwaukee.tec.wi.us (Gloria Gonzales)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:03:55 GMT



Anyone have any resources on herb Vetiver? Thanks for any/all help.

Mil Gracias!!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: vetiver ?

From: Betty Cunningham <bettyc@flyinggoat.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:21:36 -0700



Gloria Gonzales wrote:

> Anyone have any resources on herb Vetiver? Thanks for any/all help.

> Mil Gracias!!



go here:



http://www.vetiver.com/



they were incredibly helpful in solving some yellowing my plant was 

doing, and sent me some free literature on culture and use as well.

  I got my plant from Richter's herbs in Canada, which is also on-line.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

From: dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC)

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:44:12



Re: Legal smoking herbs

 

> Can anyone reccomend any herbs (or herb blends) which are good for smoking?



     Sure can. Here are a few that i've grown and tried:



Mugwort

Catnip

Rosemary (yuck)

Wood Betony (burns fast, has a nice honey taste to it though)

Lion's Ear (tastes like burnt rubber bands smell.. but supposed to have

            some intoxicating qualities - I haven't noticed any)

Tobacco (duh!)

Cornsilk (add this to your herbs when you roll a cig out of em. This

          is only to slow the burning of the herb cig. it's not meant

          to be smoked alone.)



And others.. 



D`'

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:05:45 +0100



In article <7553@alexus.cts.com>, D'OL NERIC <dol@alexus.cts.com> writes

>Re: Legal smoking herbs

> 

>> Can anyone reccomend any herbs (or herb blends) which are good for smoking?

>

>     Sure can. Here are a few that i've grown and tried:

>

>Mugwort

>Catnip

>Rosemary (yuck)

>Wood Betony (burns fast, has a nice honey taste to it though)

>Lion's Ear (tastes like burnt rubber bands smell.. but supposed to have

>            some intoxicating qualities - I haven't noticed any)

>Tobacco (duh!)

>Cornsilk (add this to your herbs when you roll a cig out of em. This

>          is only to slow the burning of the herb cig. it's not meant

>          to be smoked alone.)

>

>And others.. 

>

>D`'

>dol@alexus.cts.com  

>

>Silverlake Computer Services Public Access BBS - (619) 224-1264

>



English gypsy tobbaco



75% coltsfoot herb base.

add 25% herb or herbs of your choice, 

rose, lavender, comfrey, dandelion, lemon balm, ect ect. 

rub the mixture between your hands untill it becomes the right

constituancy, then put in a tin with a tightly sealed lid untill used.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

From: mikehsk@mindspring.com

Date: 14 Sep 1996 19:44:40 GMT





   >>> Can anyone reccomend any herbs (or herb blends) which are good

   >for smoking? >



I've read that sunflower leaves are good for smoking, though I wouldn't

try it myself.





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

From: dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 02:51:35



Re: Re: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

 

> English gypsy tobbaco

> 75% coltsfoot herb base.

> add 25% herb or herbs of your choice, 

> rose, lavender, comfrey, dandelion, lemon balm, ect ect. 

> rub the mixture between your hands untill it becomes the right

> constituancy, then put in a tin with a tightly sealed lid untill used.





     Sounds interesting -- however, I must note that coltsfoot & comfrey

aren't safe for internal use. Coltsfoot is mildly carcenogenic (sp) and

comfrey is just plain bad altogether. ;( I will mix the remainder of the

herbs listed along with a few others and see what it's like. Lemon balm

sounds interesting!! I grow + use this for tea... ..what a wonderful smoking

additive it could make! :D



D`'

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 21:31:27 +0100



In article <7643@alexus.cts.com>, D'OL NERIC <dol@alexus.cts.com> writes

>Re: Re: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

> 

>> English gypsy tobbaco

>> 75% coltsfoot herb base.

>> add 25% herb or herbs of your choice, 

>> rose, lavender, comfrey, dandelion, lemon balm, ect ect. 

>> rub the mixture between your hands untill it becomes the right

>> constituancy, then put in a tin with a tightly sealed lid untill used.

>

>

>     Sounds interesting -- however, I must note that coltsfoot & comfrey

>aren't safe for internal use. Coltsfoot is mildly carcenogenic (sp) and

>comfrey is just plain bad altogether. ;( I will mix the remainder of the

>herbs listed along with a few others and see what it's like. Lemon balm

>sounds interesting!! I grow + use this for tea... ..what a wonderful smoking

>additive it could make! :D

>

>D`'

>dol@alexus.cts.com  

>Support KRUEL Maga'Zine

>

>Silverlake Computer Services Public Access BBS - (619) 224-1264

>



Coltsfoot has been the base of most herbal tobbaco in this country for

centurys, Comfrey used in a smoking mixure, is only a tiny percentage of

the whole, it can and douse help clear head colds, No herb should be

used on a long term basis, no tablet should be either. Comfrey the herb

itself is known as knitbone, or allheal in this country and has been

used as tea , or tincture, to help bones heal more rapidly and to

promote new bone growth,

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

From: dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC)

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:33:07



Re: Re: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

 

> Coltsfoot has been the base of most herbal tobbaco in this country for

> centurys, Comfrey used in a smoking mixure, is only a tiny percentage of

> the whole, it can and douse help clear head colds, No herb should be

> used on a long term basis, no tablet should be either. Comfrey the herb

> itself is known as knitbone, or allheal in this country and has been

> used as tea , or tincture, to help bones heal more rapidly and to

> promote new bone growth,



      I am aware of the beneficial uses of both herbs. However, recent

studies have confirmed the dangers of both herbs. As such, it is to be noted

that comfrey really shouldn't be ingested unless under the supervision of a

N.D. I have a text file on some of the dangers of comfrey, if you're

interested.



D`'

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

From: Diane_M Greene <greened@bcc.orst.edu>

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:29:35 -0700



I believe that posting your file and the data upon which conclusions are=20

based would benifit all. Please post your sources.

pd

>=20

>       I am aware of the beneficial uses of both herbs. However, recent

> studies have confirmed the dangers of both herbs. As such, it is to be no=

ted

> that comfrey really shouldn't be ingested unless under the supervision of=

 a

> N.D. I have a text file on some of the dangers of comfrey, if you're

> interested.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: bubba <marty@aros.net>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:53:10 +0200



I often hear people in this group say "ask your doctor" about stuff they more 

than likely don't know much about. I'm not a doctor but from my experience 

doctors know very little about alternative medicine. Or pharmacology, exercise 

and fitness, and nutrition for that matter. 



How much formal education does an MD recieve in in these areas? I have recieved 

some real bogus information from doctors pretending to know about something 

medical but they really don't.  They sometimes pretend to know because "doctors 

are suppossed to know all".



I don't like it when I hear "go see your doctor" in this forum. First off it's 

condecending. It is such an obvious choice and more than likely it has been 

thought of already so the advice probably doesn't have much merit. Secondly if 

someone wants to learn then they should be able to get a variety of responses 

in this forum.  That's how we learn.



Anyone else agree?



marty



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY)

Date: 12 Sep 1996 07:36:57 GMT



In <3236FC86.5CC3@aros.net> bubba <marty@aros.net> writes: 

>

>I often hear people in this group say "ask your doctor" about stuff

>they more than likely don't know much about. I'm not a doctor but from

>my experience doctors know very little about alternative medicine. Or

>pharmacology, exercise and fitness, and nutrition for that matter. 



I agree that doctors don't know much about alternatives to allopathic

treatment, which is what they do after all.  But I think that some may

think (as I did when I first became interested) that herbs are by

definition safe, since they are natural.  Many of the posts here show

otherwise, e.g. discussion of MAO inhibitors, herbal combinations,

herbal abortions, etc.  What finally convinced me was my taking uva

ursi, a relatively benign herb, for urinary tract infection. I was

taking so much that my period quit on me, just dried up.  I called my

doctor's office and was told that it was from the uva ursi (which is

very astringent). 



>I don't like it when I hear "go see your doctor" in this forum. First

>off it's condecending. It is such an obvious choice and more than

>likely it has been thought of already so the advice probably doesn't

>have much merit. 



It isn't necessarily an obvious choice, IMO.  Again, I believe some may

think that by reading an herbal or two, they can treat themselves or

others with herbs, without knowing the potential dangers.  One person

who posted here a while ago wanted to know how to use foxglove for a

heart condition, which is very dangerous.  I think many are not aware

of dosage issues, and in the case of foxglove, too little is useless

but just a bit more will kill.  There are other similar issues that

need to be addressed.  



>Secondly if someone wants to learn then they should be able to get a

>variety of responses in this forum.  That's how we learn.



I think it's important to learn when we can't use herbs to help

ourselves as well as when we can.  Perhaps recommendations to go to a

naturopath or other alternative medical practitioner would also be

appropriate.  



I think that responsibility is very important, and I personally

appreciate the level of responsibility on this list.  I think it's

irresponsible to post that XYZ herb is said to treat XYZ disease

without knowing any more about it, without knowing what other types of

effects or problems may be presented by that herb.  There's already

very little information about the questioner, usually, such as what

other medications he/she may be on, and what other medical conditions

he/she may have.  I know that the nature of internet is that all these

details won't be known, and for that matter, I assume no one could be

sued for making a suggestion on the net that ended up in someone

becoming seriously ill.  But I don't think that means it's okay to

ignore the facts about herbs and health.  Herbs are great, but they are

medicine, and they can cause harm as well as good.  (IMO)



>marty



Meadow

"Soapbox woman"



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: JWell@cwo.com (JWell)

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 03:12:46 GMT



meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY) wrote these amazing words:



>In <3236FC86.5CC3@aros.net> bubba <marty@aros.net> writes: 

>>

regrettably snipped.



>It isn't necessarily an obvious choice, IMO.  Again, I believe some may

>think that by reading an herbal or two, they can treat themselves or

>others with herbs, without knowing the potential dangers.  One person

>who posted here a while ago wanted to know how to use foxglove for a

>heart condition, which is very dangerous.  I think many are not aware

>of dosage issues, and in the case of foxglove, too little is useless

>but just a bit more will kill.  There are other similar issues that

>need to be addressed.  



>>Secondly if someone wants to learn then they should be able to get a

>>variety of responses in this forum.  That's how we learn.



>I think it's important to learn when we can't use herbs to help

>ourselves as well as when we can.  Perhaps recommendations to go to a

>naturopath or other alternative medical practitioner would also be

>appropriate.  



>I think that responsibility is very important, and I personally

>appreciate the level of responsibility on this list.  I think it's

>irresponsible to post that XYZ herb is said to treat XYZ disease

>without knowing any more about it, without knowing what other types of

>effects or problems may be presented by that herb.  There's already

>very little information about the questioner, usually, such as what

>other medications he/she may be on, and what other medical conditions

>he/she may have.  I know that the nature of internet is that all these

>details won't be known, and for that matter, I assume no one could be

>sued for making a suggestion on the net that ended up in someone

>becoming seriously ill.  But I don't think that means it's okay to

>ignore the facts about herbs and health.  Herbs are great, but they are

>medicine, and they can cause harm as well as good.  (IMO)



>>marty



>Meadow

>"Soapbox woman"



*Loud applause*! Hear! Hear!  Very well written, and said.   *J gives

Meadow a boost back up on the box*  take another bow Meadow!









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: wolfgang <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 22:58:39 -0700



MEADOW WOODY wrote:

> 

> In <3236FC86.5CC3@aros.net> bubba <marty@aros.net> writes:

> >

> >I often hear people in this group say "ask your doctor" about stuff

> >they more than likely don't know much about. I'm not a doctor but from

> >my experience doctors know very little about alternative medicine. Or

> >pharmacology, exercise and fitness, and nutrition for that matter.



 

> I agree that doctors don't know much about alternatives to allopathic

> treatment, which is what they do after all.  But I think that some may

> think (as I did when I first became interested) that herbs are by

> definition safe, since they are natural. 

> I think that responsibility is very important, and I personally

> appreciate the level of responsibility on this list.  



Yes, people are afraid of legal consequences. That's why many say "see

your doctor". Some are changing now to "see your primary health care

provider" and that could be "you", the person who is asking the

question.



More and more people take responsibility for their health and

self-prescribe remedies which have been aquired from books or empirical

knowledge.



Things are changing ... but let's not forget: some herbalists are still

crucified!!!



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: brumstik@interaccess.com (broomstick)

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 07:06:03





>MEADOW WOODY wrote:

>> 

>> In <3236FC86.5CC3@aros.net> bubba <marty@aros.net> writes:

>> >

>> >I often hear people in this group say "ask your doctor" about stuff

>> >they more than likely don't know much about. I'm not a doctor but from

>> >my experience doctors know very little about alternative medicine. Or

>> >pharmacology, exercise and fitness, and nutrition for that matter.



> 

>> I agree that doctors don't know much about alternatives to allopathic

>> treatment, which is what they do after all.  But I think that some may

>> think (as I did when I first became interested) that herbs are by

>> definition safe, since they are natural. 

>> I think that responsibility is very important, and I personally

>> appreciate the level of responsibility on this list.  



>Yes, people are afraid of legal consequences. That's why many say "see

>your doctor". Some are changing now to "see your primary health care

>provider" and that could be "you", the person who is asking the

>question.



>More and more people take responsibility for their health and

>self-prescribe remedies which have been aquired from books or empirical

>knowledge.



But let's not forget that allopathic medicine DOES have it's uses.  True, it's 

best only in crisis - but if you are in a car accident, are having a heart 

attack AT THIS MOMENT, break a leg, and so forth and MD really *is* a good and 

valid choice.



We can talk about prevention - drive carefully to avoid accidents, eat right 

and exercise to avoid heart disease, don't jump off the roof of your house to 

avoid broken legs, but when the crisis is already upon us...



Personally, I prefer to rely on diet and exercise.  Unfortunately, I do suffer 

from severe allergies.  This means at times I must take drugs.  I prefer to 

stick to OTC and herbal drugs (and make no mistake that herbs are ALSO drugs 

in the sense of being substances that have an effect on the body).  On very 

rare occassion I've wound up in the ER begging for an allopath because at that 

point that was the best choice.



"See your doctor" can mean "don't rule out X just because in general you have 

a personal distate for this world view".



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: "Daniel Willard" <dwillar@swcp.com>

Date: 17 Sep 1996 03:24:06 GMT





   Often sound medical diagnosis can be the difference between successful

herbal treatment and ineffective or even dangerous herbal therapy. The more

an herbalist knows about the specifics of your medical history, the better

chance you have for successful treatment. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 20:04:29 GMT



In article <brumstik.1162.003D1709@interaccess.com>,

   brumstik@interaccess.com (broomstick) wrote:

>

>>MEADOW WOODY wrote:

>>> 

>>> In <3236FC86.5CC3@aros.net> bubba <marty@aros.net> writes:

>>> >

>>> >I often hear people in this group say "ask your doctor" about stuff

>>> >they more than likely don't know much about. I'm not a doctor but from

>>> >my experience doctors know very little about alternative medicine. Or

>>> >pharmacology, exercise and fitness, and nutrition for that matter.

>

>> 

>>> I agree that doctors don't know much about alternatives to allopathic

>>> treatment, which is what they do after all.  But I think that some may

>>> think (as I did when I first became interested) that herbs are by

>>> definition safe, since they are natural. 

>>> I think that responsibility is very important, and I personally

>>> appreciate the level of responsibility on this list.  

>

>>Yes, people are afraid of legal consequences. That's why many say "see

>>your doctor". Some are changing now to "see your primary health care

>>provider" and that could be "you", the person who is asking the

>>question.

>

>>More and more people take responsibility for their health and

>>self-prescribe remedies which have been aquired from books or empirical

>>knowledge.

>

>But let's not forget that allopathic medicine DOES have it's uses.  True, 

it's 

>best only in crisis - but if you are in a car accident, are having a heart 

>attack AT THIS MOMENT, break a leg, and so forth and MD really *is* a good 

and 

>valid choice.

>

>We can talk about prevention - drive carefully to avoid accidents, eat right 

>and exercise to avoid heart disease, don't jump off the roof of your house to 

>avoid broken legs, but when the crisis is already upon us...

>

>Personally, I prefer to rely on diet and exercise.  Unfortunately, I do 

suffer 

>from severe allergies.  This means at times I must take drugs.  I prefer to 

>stick to OTC and herbal drugs (and make no mistake that herbs are ALSO drugs 

>in the sense of being substances that have an effect on the body).  On very 

>rare occassion I've wound up in the ER begging for an allopath because at 

that 

>point that was the best choice.

>

>"See your doctor" can mean "don't rule out X just because in general you have 

>a personal distate for this world view".

>

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Allow me to add my thoughts to the above valid points that were made.Doctors 

know more about alternative meds than you think,some more than others.You'd be 

surprised how many of them use herbs and such.Also even if theyre not familiar 

with a certain alt. cure if they know what type of chemicals they are dealing 

with they can deduce a great deal.Don't forget they had lots of chemistry in 

their training.The relationship between doctor and patient should hold nothing 

back,at least then the doc knows what's going on,don't have a reaction to a 

alt. med and then expect them to help when you didn't share,that's not fair.I 

always say to my doc,look I'm taking echinacea for my flu or something similar 

and she'll either be familiar with it and give me her blessing or she's not 

familiar and just says okay.Who knows,maybe she goes home and looks it up.

   BTW,many trade journals this month alone have articles in them about 

herbs,and alternative practices.

Barbara  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 21 Sep 1996 04:12:36 -0400



In article <51s8ld$9t6@tkhut.sojourn.com>, sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen

Jahner) writes:



>The relationship between doctor and patient should hold nothing 

>back,



How do you do this is a seven minute office visit -- which is about the

time that my HMO allows me.  My major complaint with allopathic medicine

is the very limited amount of time that you have to address these issues

with your practitioner.  Which is why I spend most of my time at the ND's

office.  At least there, an half hour means an half hour with the doctor,

not the waiting room couch.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: bidinotto.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (vipor)

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:35:58 GMT



In article <52081k$cf1@newsbf02.news.aol.com> healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) writes:

>From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

>Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

>Date: 21 Sep 1996 04:12:36 -0400



>In article <51s8ld$9t6@tkhut.sojourn.com>, sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen

>Jahner) writes:



>>The relationship between doctor and patient should hold nothing 

>>back,



>How do you do this is a seven minute office visit -- which is about the

>time that my HMO allows me.  My major complaint with allopathic medicine

>is the very limited amount of time that you have to address these issues

>with your practitioner.  Which is why I spend most of my time at the ND's

>office.  At least there, an half hour means an half hour with the doctor,

>not the waiting room couch.



>Regards,

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

>e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

>http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





Rosemary,



Your HMO does not dictate the time you spend with your doctor.  If you require 

the time you force the issue.  If that doctor will not then you find one that 

does.  It cracks me up how many people blame insurance companies for their own 

lack of responsibility.  You are the patient and are paying for a service.  It 

is time people stand up and expose bad doctors and reward good doctors.



Medical doctors on average are very good.  If you do not believe in them that 

is fine, but when it comes to diagnosing they are the best at it.  Especially 

in life saving procedures.



vipor



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:21:18 -0500







On 21 Sep 1996, HealingPgs wrote:



> In article <51s8ld$9t6@tkhut.sojourn.com>, sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen

> Jahner) writes:

> 

> >The relationship between doctor and patient should hold nothing 

> >back,

> 

> How do you do this is a seven minute office visit -- which is about the

> time that my HMO allows me.  My major complaint with allopathic medicine

> is the very limited amount of time that you have to address these issues

> with your practitioner.  Which is why I spend most of my time at the ND's

> office.  At least there, an half hour means an half hour with the doctor,

> not the waiting room couch.

> 

> Regards,

> Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

> e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

> http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

> 

> 

If you're not spending the time you need with your MD, maybe it isn't his 

fault. 



Most HMO MDs schedule patients every 15 minutes - as do most non-HMO MDs. 

But, if you feel you need more time with her - tell the operator when you 

make the appointment. I have had as much as an hour to discuss several 

problems with my MD - no problem. 



It is in the MDs financial interest to NOT see you on an HMO. She gets 

paid per month per patient - whether she sees you or not. It benefits you 

both if she can send some extra time with you one month if it will avoid 

several follow up visits. She gets no more if she sees you once or 15 

times in a month. 



I also find it helps me to make a list - I sit down one night before the 

visit and ask myself what it is that has been bothering me. That way I 

don't forget anything. 



My 2p

Cissy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: gladius@portal.ca (Linda de Gonzalez)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 96 01:18:32 GMT



In <3236FC86.5CC3@aros.net> bubba <marty@aros.net> writes: 

>>

>>I often hear people in this group say "ask your doctor" about stuff

>>they more than likely don't know much about. I'm not a doctor but 

from

>>my experience doctors know very little about alternative medicine. 



You're making the assumption that ppl are referring to allopathic 

practitioners. Homeopaths and naturopaths can also be quite correctly 

referred to as "doctors", since they have doctoral degrees.



I hope you're not expecting diagnosis over the Internet. Diagnosis can 

be very tricky: while the patient may say "I'm feeling depressed", and 

describe symptoms of clinical depression, there may be underlying 

causes for those symptoms; you have to check out the *whole* person, 

digestion, circulation, everything. If for example there is a problem 

with digesting proteins/fats/carbohydrates, the individual will feel 

weak and tired, may not sleep properly, may gain or lose weight, all 

with no rhyme nor reason (they haven't changed their eating or 

sleeping habits).



So if someone on the newsgroup describes a condition, I'm not going to 

be the one who tries to make a psychic diagnosis and recommend 

specific herbs, not having seen the patient.



Linda



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: bidinotto.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (vipor)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:19:34 GMT



To all,



Just remember that more than 60% of the posts I have seen in this group have 

been considered dangerous.  Many people are not trained in the art of 

diagnosing, pharmacology, therapeutics, and kinetics.  The doctor and 

pharmacist have many years of training in these areas.  They may not be right 

all the time, and they may not have all the tools to cure all ills.  They have 

proven over the decades to help keep the life expectancy rising.  Herbs have 

their place in medicine, because they are medicinal agents.  Just because you 

find them in nature does not make them safe.  Many plants are toxic.  Use of 

any medicine has its positive and negative effects.  Also consider the 

manufacturers of these agents.  Remember the L-tryptophan disaster.  So herbal 

remedies must be scrutinized just like the allopathic approach.  It is always 

a good idea to seek more than one opinion and when it comes to diagnosing the 

doctors have the advantage.



vipor



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:05:23 +0100



In article <3236FC86.5CC3@aros.net>, bubba <marty@aros.net> writes

>I often hear people in this group say "ask your doctor" about stuff they more 

>than likely don't know much about. I'm not a doctor but from my experience 

>doctors know very little about alternative medicine. Or pharmacology, exercise 

>and fitness, and nutrition for that matter. 

>

>How much formal education does an MD recieve in in these areas? I have recieved 

>some real bogus information from doctors pretending to know about something 

>medical but they really don't.  They sometimes pretend to know because "doctors 

>are suppossed to know all".

>

>I don't like it when I hear "go see your doctor" in this forum. First off it's 

>condecending. It is such an obvious choice and more than likely it has been 

>thought of already so the advice probably doesn't have much merit. Secondly if 

>someone wants to learn then they should be able to get a variety of responses 

>in this forum.  That's how we learn.

>

>Anyone else agree?

>

>marty



marty. two opitions are better than one, most herbalists will recomend

seeing a doctor, or even an alternate outside of their own speciality,

niether herbs nor medicin cure everything, and if the problem for

instance could be cancer, or even something as simple as red eye , then

a doctor is a good place to go. a herbalist might help your broken leg

heal more quickly, but its the Doctor who sets it straight, the two

modern medicine and modern herbalism can work in concert.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:04:03 -0500



bubba wrote:

> 

> I often hear people in this group say "ask your doctor" about stuff they more

> than likely don't know much about. I'm not a doctor but from my experience

A lot of herbs conflict with prescription meds. ie high blood pressure,

pregnancy, and also a CYA deal. Private herbalists cannot presribe 

anything for anyone also the libiability issue, the biggest one.

In this society of sue'em for anything who can take chances.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: gnowak@execulink.com

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 15:06:07 GMT



read a book "The Medical Mafia" and you find answers to all your questions.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:41:46 GMT



bubba <marty@aros.net> wrote:



>I often hear people in this group say "ask your doctor" about stuff they more 

>than likely don't know much about. I'm not a doctor but from my experience 

>doctors know very little about alternative medicine. Or pharmacology, exercise 

>and fitness, and nutrition for that matter. 



>How much formal education does an MD recieve in in these areas? I have recieved 

>some real bogus information from doctors pretending to know about something 

>medical but they really don't.  They sometimes pretend to know because "doctors 

>are suppossed to know all".



>I don't like it when I hear "go see your doctor" in this forum. First off it's 

>condecending. It is such an obvious choice and more than likely it has been 

>thought of already so the advice probably doesn't have much merit. Secondly if 

>someone wants to learn then they should be able to get a variety of responses 

>in this forum.  That's how we learn.



>Anyone else agree?



>marty

i agree.



ashryn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: "C. Jayne Stevens" <gypsyjayne@enterprise.net>

Date: 28 Sep 1996 18:45:59 GMT



Quacks, charlatans and frauds.

Or should that be . . . and freuds?

-- 

C. Jayne Stevens.

Bedfordshire, England.

gypsyjayne@enterprise.net



. . . at least the wheels go round . . .



ashryn <ashryn@it.com.au> wrote in article

<51te8b$re2@beldin.it.com.au>...

: bubba <marty@aros.net> wrote:

: 

: >I often hear people in this group say "ask your doctor" about stuff

they more 

: >than likely don't know much about. I'm not a doctor but from my

experience 

: >doctors know very little about alternative medicine. Or pharmacology,

exercise 

: >and fitness, and nutrition for that matter. 

snippety snip



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: James di Paulo  <jdipaulo@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 01:54:30 GMT



In article <01bbad6b$cf2c1820$LocalHost@jayne>,

	"C. Jayne Stevens" <gypsyjayne@enterprise.net> wrote:



>Quacks, charlatans and frauds.

>Or should that be . . . and freuds?

>-- 

>C. Jayne Stevens.

>Bedfordshire, England.

>gypsyjayne@enterprise.net

>

>.. . . at least the wheels go round . . .

>



Does this not describe doctors with whom someone does not agree? <smile> 



James



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: looking for black walnut trees in nyc

From: sushand2@aol.com (SUSHAND2)

Date: 11 Sep 1996 14:39:30 -0400



Hi, I am making an anti parisitical tincture and need to find green(young)

black walnuts fresh off the tree.  Any suggestions where there would be

black walnut trees in the New York City vicinity?

thanks 

S.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs!

From: Jay <redfern@galesburg.net>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:39:08 -0700



How many different kinds of herbs are safe to take at one time? Also, 

what is the best time of ginseng to take? Korean?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Now what???

From: "Vernie D. Kirkman" <vkirkman@tima.com>

Date: 11 Sep 1996 22:40:25 GMT



I entered a note the other day about how the doctor thought I had artery

blockage, and how could I treat it.  I went ahead and had the heart cath,

and passed it with flying colors.



That's great, but ...



I have the following unexplained symptoms:

1.  Sudden dizzy spells, whether at rest or doing something.

2.  Sudden hot flashes, whether at rest or doing something.

3.  Shortness of breath and extreme fatigue, with very little exertion.

     (This last may well be attributable to the fact that I am overweight, 

             but all this started in the last couple of weeks, and I've

been overweight for years!)



I go back to the doctor next week, but she's the one who bullied me into

spending all that money on the heart cath.  Anyone ever have these

symptoms, and how did you treat them?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Personal Experience with herbs.  GI disorders

From: Tanya Winkel <trw116@mail.usask.ca>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:19:27 -0700



My collegue and I are pharmacy students writing a paper on the use of

Herbal medicines for the treatment of gastrointestinal Disorders such as

constipation, dyspepsia, ulcers, and anti-inflammatory conditions such

as colitis.  we would like to hear about any positive or negative

experiences(s) from anyone who currently use or have used any herbal

products for the treatment of any of the above disorders listed above. 

We would greatly appreciate any information you have to share.  we want

to evaluate the current use(s) of such products as alternative

medicines.



Please E-mail trw116@mail.usask.ca







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to help induce labor

From: sleipnir@northernnet.com (JL)

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 01:12:12 GMT



I am currently 36 weeks pregnant and have Gestational Diabetes.



My doctor has decided that because of the GD and the chance of having

a large baby he wants to induce me if when my due date comes around I

am not having any signs of labor.  He may even decide to induce sooner

if the baby appears to be growing to big.

Both my regular doctor and the OB I have been seeing since the GD was

diagnosed think I will be able to go into labor on my own partly

because I have been a centimeter dialted since 32 weeks.  My doctor

has also told me that if I go into labor anytime after 36 weeks it

will be fine.



At my last doctors appointment (on tuesday) I found out I have not

dialted any further and even though my cervix has thinned out a bit

the baby has not engaged and labor is not immenent.



I would rather not go to close to my due date for fear of the doctor

using drugs to induce labor and so am looking for any herbal remedies

that I can start taking now to help bring on labor.

I have the book "Wise Women Herbal for the Childbearing Years" but the

remedies suggested in it are to be used in a relatively short period

of time, bringing on labor within a few hours to a day's time, which

is not what I am looking for (though if nothing else works and it gets

to close I may just use one of them).



Please send any info to me via e-mail as I don't have time to check

this newsgroup all that often and would like to start this as soon as

possible.







----Jenny

*****************************************************

I am the unqenchable fire, The center of all energy,  

The stout heroic heart, I am the truth and the light, 

I hold power and glory in my sway, 

My presence disperses dark clouds.

I have been chosen to tame the Fates

I AM THE DRAGON





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Question about herb???

From: Richard M Wagers <rwagers@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:40:46 -0500



Does anyone know of references to research about an herb called

"ciwujia"?  It is supposedly marketed under the trade name Endurox.

(I have searched Medline and CINAHL with no results)

Any information (even if not to literature references) would be 

appreciated.

thank you-



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Richard Wagers

rwagers@ix.netcom.com

Parker College of Chiropractic



Through education I learn to do by choice

what other men do by constraints of fear.

			--Aristotle



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Question about herb???

From: rreno@quebectel.com (R. R.)

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:06:34 GMT



Richard M Wagers <rwagers@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>Does anyone know of references to research about an herb called

>"ciwujia"?  It is supposedly marketed under the trade name Endurox.

>(I have searched Medline and CINAHL with no results)

>Any information (even if not to literature references) would be 

>appreciated.

>thank you-



>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Richard Wagers

>rwagers@ix.netcom.com

>Parker College of Chiropractic



>Through education I learn to do by choice

>what other men do by constraints of fear.

>			--Aristotle



Some books call this herb Spina Acanthopanacis Gracilistyli and other

call this herb Radix Acanthopanacis Senticosi. Some peoples call this

herb Siberian ginseng (Eleutheroccoccus senticosus). In chinese herbal

medicine this herb is used for strenghtening the body resistance,

consolidating the constitution, replenishing the energy, envigorating

the spleen and tonifying the kidneys to relieve mental strain. The

acanthopanax root is able to improve the functions of the human

organs, strenghten the immunity of the human body, eliminate

tiredness, adjust blood pressure and increase the blood flow of

coronary artery.

Indications: asthenia, weakness after a long illness, lassitude of

loins and knees, general weakness, palpitation, insomnia, impotence,

dreaminess.

Ciwujia is produced under the name of Ciwujia Tablets by the Harbin

Sixth Pharmacy Factory in China in bottle of 100 tablets [dosage 2-3

tablets 3 times/day].

[ref. Publishing House of Shanghai Traditional Chinese Medicine]



For more info check in Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica [Bensky

and Gamble].



Richard Renaud





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Oil extraction

From: bill@inforamp.net (Bill Allen)

Date: 12 Sep 1996 01:56:19 GMT



Hi: Can anyone direct me to a FAQ or something similar where I can

find out how to do a lard extraction of essential oils of herbs.

		 

		Thanks a lot, Bill





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med,sci.med.diseases.cancer,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.telemedicine,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.cancer,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Any Hope? 3yr old with resistent Osteosarcoma

From: Kavosh Soltani <kavosh@mnsinc.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 23:32:54 -0400 (EDT)





I'm looking for information for a wonderful little 3 year old boy who has 

exhausted all available traditional treatment for Osteosarcoma.  This 

poor kid has suffered so much;  it should not just be all for nothing...



Please, if you have any suggestions or know someone who might have some 

ideas, drop me a line.  Any valiable treatments out there?  Any trials?  Any 

new experimental drugs?



Thank you.



PS.  If you know of any treatment involving p53 or RB genes or Cytotoxic 

T Lymphocytes, please let me know!



Here is the patient's medical history:



Patient:       3 year old boy



Cancer Type:   Osteogenic Sarcoma

               Metastatic at the time of diagnosis

               Primary: 	Left Knee area

               Secondary: 	To lungs, hips, a vertebrate,

                                one rib.



History:       Patient was diagnosed May 1995 (he was 2)

			   The oncologists gave him six months to live.



Treatment:     Aggressive Chemotherapy with (9 rounds)

               Adriamycin, Cisplatin, Ifosfomide, VP-16



               Following treatment, the cancer was assumed

                  in remission (biopsy confirmed)

               Lung Metastasis was removed via surgery:

                  various tests had indicated 5 nodules;

                  actually, 15 were discovered and removed.

                  All tumors were dead.



Recurrence:    Anomaly was seen on follow-up test May 1996.

                    (three months after stopping original treatment)

               Biopsy confirmed recurrence of cancer local

               to primary site.



Treatment:     Patient has received two courses of the

               following treatment:

                  Carboplatin (Paraplatin) 400mg/ml/dx2

                  Cytoxan (Cyclophosphamide Neasar) 1200mg/ml/dx1

                  Etoposide (Vespesid VP-16) 150mg/ml/d



               Follow up tests conducted August 1996, indicated

               substantial absorption of chemo in the region.

               However, the tumor has grown in size; also the right

               hip seems to be involved.



               The physicians have suggested amputation of the left

               leg and use of some yet undefined trial to TRY to

               control the cancer.  However, they - once again - see

               no hope for him.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: goldenseal leaf tea

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 23:06:24 -0500



Does anyone out there use goldenseal leaves for tea. 

I have seen buyers asking for them. If so and how?

Please advise.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: goldenseal leaf tea

From: wolfgang <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 23:18:11 -0700



jim davis wrote:

> 

> Does anyone out there use goldenseal leaves for tea.



Arnold and Connie Krochmal write in "A Field Guide to Medicinal Plants":

"..... an infusion of leaves was also used to treat liver and stomach

ailments"



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: glass bottle suppliers in CA

From: FriskyKtn@cwo.com

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 04:32:23 GMT



Of course..I was reading about the suppliers in CA, when I was

updating the list..and off it went!



Would that person in Ohio pls be so kind as to email me the suppliers

sie uses?



thanks.



FK





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: DSMO FOOD GRADE?

From: rmoress@mail.psnw.com (Ralph Moress)

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 05:19:44 GMT



What can anyone tell me about DSMO or DMSO taken internally?  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Memory Herb Experiences?

From: davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano)

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 09:09:15 GMT



 Can anyone tell me some Herbs they have personally used for Memory? I

would appreciate any information on this! Thanks for your reply!  Dave

Campano(davecam@prgone.com)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Memory Herb Experiences?

From: smittola@aol.com (SMITTOLA)

Date: 16 Sep 1996 22:40:03 -0400



>Can anyone tell me some Herbs they have personally used >for Memory? I

>would appreciate any information on this! Thanks for your >reply!  Dave

>Campano(davecam@prgone.com)



Ginko is the one!  I've used it for a couple of years and it really works.

There has been a lot of good research done about it and it's effects

regarding memory and circulation.

It's fairly expensive, but well worth it.  I take about 300 mg daily. 

Make sure you look for the standadized 24%.



Steve Schmidt



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Memory Herb Experiences?

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 17 Sep 1996 15:18:18 GMT



davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano) wrote:

>

>  Can anyone tell me some Herbs they have personally used for Memory? I

> would appreciate any information on this! Thanks for your reply!  Dave

> Campano(davecam@prgone.com)



Dave; Several years ago when I was taking a Pharmacology course I 

took Gotu kola. I was about 53 at the time and most of the class

was 19 to 22. I got an A and the second or third highest class grade

as well. When in college in my early years I was "lucky" to get a

"B". However I was not highly motivated in my youth. Ha! That's an

understatement. I do feel the Gotu kola helped quite a bit but can't

prove this, of course ,



			In good health (through herbs), Jerry



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Memory Herb Experiences?

From: Cher <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca>

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 03:24:23 -0600



On 17 Sep 1996, jerry smith wrote:



> Dave; Several years ago when I was taking a Pharmacology course I 

> took Gotu kola. I was about 53 at the time and most of the class

> was 19 to 22. I got an A and the second or third highest class grade

> as well. When in college in my early years I was "lucky" to get a

> "B". However I was not highly motivated in my youth. Ha! That's an

> understatement. I do feel the Gotu kola helped quite a bit but can't

> prove this, of course ,

> 

> 			In good health (through herbs), Jerry



How much did you take, and in what form did you take it?



Black Widow





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Memory Herb Experiences?

From: frew@sans.vuw.ac.nz (Allan David Frew)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 23:10:40 GMT



Cher (erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca) wrote:

: On 17 Sep 1996, jerry smith wrote:



: > Dave; Several years ago when I was taking a Pharmacology course I 

: > took Gotu kola. I was about 53 at the time and most of the class

: > was 19 to 22. I got an A and the second or third highest class grade

: > as well. When in college in my early years I was "lucky" to get a

: > "B". However I was not highly motivated in my youth. Ha! That's an

: > understatement. I do feel the Gotu kola helped quite a bit but can't

: > prove this, of course ,

: > 

: > 			In good health (through herbs), Jerry



: How much did you take, and in what form did you take it?



: Black Widow



I too have being taking Gotu Kola for studing and have found it to help me

remember easier. Also I seem more alert and happier. I am at the moment

taking about 1200mg of the herb in pill form. Its a good idea like any

other herb not to take it constintly at that dose so when finished doing a

period of study go off it graduly other wise you might experience a few

days of feeling tired both mind and body.



Please excuse me for the spelling.



Frew.

----





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Memory Herb Experiences?

From: JWell@cwo.com (Herbalist)

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 08:55:39 GMT



frew@sans.vuw.ac.nz (Allan David Frew) wrote these amazing words:



>Cher (erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca) wrote:

>: On 17 Sep 1996, jerry smith wrote:



>: > Dave; Several years ago when I was taking a Pharmacology course I 

>: > took Gotu kola. I was about 53 at the time and most of the class

snip



>I too have being taking Gotu Kola for studing and have found it to help me

>remember easier. Also I seem more alert and happier. I am at the moment

snip



I have been taking the ginko...and half the time can't remember to

take it...even though it is right in front of me at work!



I have taken gotu kola in the past with ginseng...and that helped alot

of things...memory, and energy



J





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Memory Herb Experiences?

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 26 Sep 1996 15:40:45 GMT



snip... I do feel the Gotu kola helped quite a bit but can't

> > prove this, of course ,

> > 

> > 			In good health (through herbs), Jerry

> 

> How much did you take, and in what form did you take it?

> 

> Black Widow

> 



Black Widow; I believe it was 450 or 500 mg. capsules. I took 2 to

four capsules a day, sometimes even six a day when studying for/taking

exams. (Gotu kola is said to be one of the favorite foods of the 

Indian (Asian) elephant and has no reported harmful side effects that

I am aware of).     Regards, Jerry 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Memory Herb Experiences?

From: alcatrazzz@aol.com (Alcatrazzz)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 06:08:54 -0400



< Can anyone tell me some Herbs they have personally used for Memory?

   

Possibly Rosemary infused as tea, and maybe Ginkgo.

No promises.

J. O'C.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Prices for medicinal plants on the international markets

From: biochmed@resulb.ulb.ac.be (Biochimie Medicale)

Date: 12 Sep 1996 10:59:09 GMT



I'm trying to find the prices for some medicinal plants on the 

international markets.

Are there any databases or cotations available ?

Here are some of the plants I'd be interested to get the price :

	- Artemisia annua (herb)

	- Pygeum africanum (bark)

	- Valeriana officinalis (subterranean organs)

	- Datura stramonium (leaves)

	- Cassia angustifolia (leaves and pods)



I'm also interested in the prices of plant-derived chemicals such as :

	- Artemisinin

	- Artemether

	- Arteether



Thanks for any help,

P. Duez



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Prices for medicinal plants on the international markets

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 21:40:14 -0500



Biochimie Medicale wrote:

> 

> I'm trying to find the prices for some medicinal plants on the

> international markets.

> Are there any databases or cotations available ?

> Here are some of the plants I'd be interested to get the price :

>         - Artemisia annua (herb)

>         - Pygeum africanum (bark)

>         - Valeriana officinalis (subterranean organs)

>         - Datura stramonium (leaves)

>         - Cassia angustifolia (leaves and pods)

> 

> I'm also interested in the prices of plant-derived chemicals such as :

>         - Artemisinin

>         - Artemether

>         - Arteether

> 

> Thanks for any help,

> P. Duez



Wilcox Natural Products 

PO Box 391

Boone, NC 28607



They will send a free buying pricelist. They buy about 50 different

herbs and process them.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: blueberries

From: ap391@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Ball)

Date: 12 Sep 1996 11:01:26 GMT





Has anyone had any experience with blueberries helping their eye

sight? Especially at night. 



I've heard they used them in WWII for pilots on night flights but

has anyone either experimented with them since then or have some

idea of how much was/is required to notice a difference or whether

their best affect is when eaten with something or on an empty

stomach?



I have noticed that on an EARLY Monday morning drive to work after

having had blueberries for Sunday morning breakfast, the lights

don't seem to bother quite as much and it's a little easier to see

the road but I'd like to see if I can optimize their use to help

my night vision (actually overall vision also).



Bill Ball



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: blueberries

From: gladius@portal.ca (Linda de Gonzalez)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 96 01:04:42 GMT



Bill, it's BILBERRIES, not blueberries.



Linda



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: blueberries

From: evoltwin@cyberden.com (evoltwin)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 05:18:11 GMT



Huckleberries, blueberries, and bilberries are all synonymous... I just

found out myself.... damn those millions of names.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: blueberries

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:38:57 GMT



On 18 Sep 1996 05:18:11 GMT, in alt.folklore.herbs evoltwin@cyberden.com

(evoltwin) wrote:



>Huckleberries, blueberries, and bilberries are all synonymous... I just

>found out myself.... damn those millions of names.



But. Bilberries are Vaccinium myrtillus, that's the berries with the deep

blue/purple juice. We got those over here in Northern Europe, wild.



The blueberries you 'mercans talk about usually are those large things that have

no color to speak of, except in their skin. Some Vaccinium species or other, but

NOT V.myrtillus.



Your best bet is to get the latin names of the plants you want, and then go

after that, no matter what the common name.



Thanking Linnaeus,

Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: blueberries

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 04:19:28 GMT



On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 18:38:57 GMT, HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress) wrote:



>But. Bilberries are Vaccinium myrtillus, that's the berries with the deep

>blue/purple juice. We got those over here in Northern Europe, wild.

>

>The blueberries you 'mercans talk about usually are those large things that have

>no color to speak of, except in their skin. Some Vaccinium species or other, but

>NOT V.myrtillus.



The **only** blueberries I have ever seen in the States are small, deep

blue inside with a purple juice. The outside is a lighter blue.



Don.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: blueberries

From: mfbherb@aol.com (Mfbherb)

Date: 29 Sep 1996 09:44:17 -0400



Opening up Natural Food strore.  Very interested in your products or any

literature you can send me.  Send to:  Burman's Natural Foods

                                           3411 Edgmont  Aveneu

                                            Brookhaven PA 19015

 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: blueberries

From: pandoc@ix.netcom.com(charles mccarthy)

Date: 21 Sep 1996 21:48:02 GMT



In <evoltwin-1709962218230001@rpk-4.nbn.com> evoltwin@cyberden.com

(evoltwin) writes: 

>

>Huckleberries, blueberries, and bilberries are all synonymous... I

>just found out myself.... damn those millions of names.



However, not all bilberries are whortleberries! (Vaccinium myrtillus)



I guess that's why we have scientific nomenclature.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: blueberries

From: Diane_M Greene <greened@bcc.orst.edu>

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:47:23 -0700



they are not necessarily synonyms, but represent different species of the 

same genus



On 18 Sep 1996, evoltwin wrote:



> Huckleberries, blueberries, and bilberries are all synonymous... I just

> found out myself.... damn those millions of names.

> 

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: blueberries

From: "Rene Burrough" <rburrough@dial.pipex.com>

Date: 24 Sep 1996 07:35:20 GMT







Henriette Kress <HeK@hetta.pp.fi> wrote in article

<32419375.11720445@news.eunet.fi>...

> But. Bilberries are Vaccinium myrtillus, that's the berries with the deep

> blue/purple juice. We got those over here in Northern Europe, wild.

> 

> The blueberries you 'mercans talk about usually are those large things

that have

> no color to speak of, except in their skin. Some Vaccinium species or

other, but

> NOT V.myrtillus.

> 

Absolutely correct:



There are two North American blueberries:

Vaccinium corymbosum  aka Highbush blueberry, is a native of North America.

Thrives in moist acid soil; The berry on the wild plant is maybe one third

of an inch across; larger on the cultivars. This plant may be the cross

between V. ashei or th rabbit-eye Blueberry and the southeastern highbush

blueberry, V. australe.



V. angustifolium or lowbush blueberry is commercailly grown in the

Northeast US & Canada. Berry is from one quarter to one half inch across.



Rene Burrough



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Melatonin FAQ

From: natlife2@hula.net (Natural Life Products)

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:33:48 GMT



For a brief but informative FAQ on Melatonin, Point to:



http://www.natural-life.com/discount/sleepfaq.htm









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Oregano...

From: (Lee)

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:32:47 GMT



Perhaps I should be posting under alt.cooking.chat ....

When is the best time to pick and dry Oregano?  Before it flowers or

is it O.K. to dry it after it flowers too?  Will this affect the

flavour in any way?  Need to know as My Oregan o grows like a weed

here and I would really like to do something with it...



Thanks, Lee 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: BEN # 143 (fwd) [Native B.C. medicinal plants course]

From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@sunsite.unc.edu>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 11:57:54 -0400





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From: Adolf Ceska <aceska@cue.bc.ca>

To: ben@cue.bc.ca

Subject: BEN # 143



                                                   

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From: Coastal Mountain College <cmc@infoserve.net>



Coastal  Mountain  College of Healing Arts presents an extension

course "First Nations'  Herbal  Materia  Medica"  instructed  by

Brian Compton, Ph.D.



Native  British  Columbian medicinal plants have been used for a

variety of purposes by indigenous peoples for centuries but have

only recently begun to  be  systematically  and  comprehensively

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This  10  week course provides an introduction to the botanical,

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of various First Nation cultures of North America.



The  program  will  be  taught  by  Brian  Compton,  Ph.D., eth-

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Dr. Compton presently  teaches  a  course  on  "Ethnobiology  of

British  Columbia's  First  Nations"  at First Nations' House of

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The course will feature:

   field trips

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   herbal characteristics and classification

   species used by coastal, interior and northern peoples



Course Date: Monday nights from October 7 to December 10, 1996

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: PROPALMEX another Pill?

From: thomas koriles <thekeep@gatecom.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:42:45 -0700



Heard on radio (paul harvey) advertising propalmex to be used to help 

enlarged prostrate



Is this just another pill with the SAW PALMETTO	 berries or is it better 

them most



looking for comments please



tom

-- 

There are three kinds of people in the world-those who can 

count and those who can't



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Borderline Lupus

From: Kent and Kat Dyer <kdyer@nash.tds.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:33:27 -0700



A good friend of mine has been diagnosed borderline lupus.  I know that 

she needs to cut out alfalfa but does anyone know of anything else that 

she should be aware of herbally?  She is a on-again/off-again vegetarian 

and uses a lot of herbal remedies.



TIA



Kat



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Borderline Lupus

From: Sharon Litton <SharonLitton@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 17:42:13 -0500



Kent and Kat Dyer wrote:

> 

> A good friend of mine has been diagnosed borderline lupus.  I know that

> she needs to cut out alfalfa but does anyone know of anything else that

> she should be aware of herbally?  She is a on-again/off-again vegetarian

> and uses a lot of herbal remedies.

> 

> TIA

> 

> Kat



Tell her that, as lupus is an auto-immune disease, and is essentially 

the body attacking itself, she needs to take NOTHING to stimulate the 

immune system.  This includes ginseng, echinacea, goldenseal, etc.



My mohter had lupus for 50+ years, and my spousal unit was thought to 

have it, though it turned out to Hashimoto's thyroiditis.....



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Sharon Litton <SharonLitton@worldnet.att.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Borderline Lupus

From: Kent and Kat Dyer <kdyer@nash.tds.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:09:15 -0700



Sharon Litton wrote:

> Tell her that, as lupus is an auto-immune disease, and is essentially

> the body attacking itself, she needs to take NOTHING to stimulate the

> immune system.  This includes ginseng, echinacea, goldenseal, etc.

> 

> My mohter had lupus for 50+ years, and my spousal unit was thought to

> have it, though it turned out to Hashimoto's thyroiditis.....



I've passed it on...out of curiosity what *is* Hashimoto's thyroiditis 

and how do the symptoms differ?



Kat



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Borderline Lupus

From: Sharon Litton <SharonLitton@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:38:20 -0500



Kent and Kat Dyer wrote:

> 

> Sharon Litton wrote:

> > Tell her that, as lupus is an auto-immune disease, and is essentially

> > the body attacking itself, she needs to take NOTHING to stimulate the

> > immune system.  This includes ginseng, echinacea, goldenseal, etc.

> >

> > My mohter had lupus for 50+ years, and my spousal unit was thought to

> > have it, though it turned out to Hashimoto's thyroiditis.....



> 

> I've passed it on...out of curiosity what *is* Hashimoto's thyroiditis

> and how do the symptoms differ?

> 

> Kat



It is an auto-immune disease that is sometimes hereditary, but can also

be triggered by a virus or something that disturbs the thyroid, and

causes the thyroid to decide that the body is it's enemy.  It caused

lupus-type symptoms in Don, and the blood tests indicated some type of

connective tissue disease - it took a $500 DNA blood test to determine

exactly what is was, and going through several pathologists, until the

top pathologist for the State of Texas finally diagnosed it.



His hands and feet were swoolen so badly that you could hardly see his

knuckles.  All his joints hurt.  His feet were so tender that it hurt to

put on socks, much less stand or walk.  He was VERY sleepy all the time

- could sleep 14 hours at a stretch and still be sleepy and tired.  The

palms of his hads turned red and were very itchy.  He would experience

short bouts of numbness in his extremities.  He gained unexplained

weight.



Most of the time, Hashimoto's is self-limiting, lasting from 6 months to

1 year, according to our Dr.  In 1 case out of 100, it destroys the

thyroid, and you are on supplements for the rest of your life.  His

appears to be going away on it's own - they worst of the symptoms lasted

3-6 weeks.  No medication, just wait, and blood tests every 2-3 months

to check the levels of *something*!



Lupus can go into remission, but doesn't go away.  There are a lot of

very good books on the subject, and it differs from person to person.



Sharon



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.sys.dec,alt.callahans,sci.skeptic,sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorology,sci.physics,vmsnet.misc,alt.folklore.science,alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.diabetes,sci.med,sci.astro,soc.culture.african.american

Subject: Re: Letters of Condolences to Carl Lydick's Family

From: "Jonathan J Quick" <jjquick@dircon.co.uk>

Date: 12 Sep 1996 23:49:51 GMT



Matt Kriebel <gothic@netaxs.com> wrote in article <514ps7$cn@netaxs.com>...

> Michael Fullerton (cmatrix@cuug.ab.ca) wrote:

> : Fred W. Bach, TRIUMF Operations (music@erich.triumf.ca) wrote:

> : :    I have personally contacted someone in Caltech Administration who

> : :    gave me the name, address, and phone number of the mortuary

dealing

> : :    with Carl's passing.  The mortuary is not having a service for

Carl

> : :    there, but they will be happy to pass along messages of

condolences

> : :    to Carl's family back east.  Address your letters to:

> : 

> : If anyone knows the exact location of where this cat is buried,

> : please tell me.  I would very much like to dance on his grave.

> 

> Geez, I know Carl thrashed Fullerton in debates, but I didn't now he

> thrashed him that much!



I just picked up on this thread, and I have to say I'm sorry CJL is no

longer

with us. I had more that a few disagreements with him in the past, but he

certainly knew his stuff. It's a pity he wasn't a more settled character.

My

condolences to his family and friends.



JJ.



-- 

Email: jjquick@dircon.co.uk

Homepage: http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~jjquick/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: depression

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:06:25 +0100



In article <51845l$oc0@globe.indirect.com>, stamper@indirect.com writes

>I think that was really obnoxious of you to say, Maybe I should goto

>him, Anyways people with depressions can't snap out of it, it just

>doesn't work that way or no one would have depression, I have it I

>don't know why no I do.. It's because of "weed and stuff" so that's

>not the answer oh brash one, You nettled many people in this group I

>bet. 

>

>ToughtMaster <Jabriol@cris.com> wrote:

>

>

>>Have you tried some real good Dope?

>

>>ya know weed or stuff,

>

>>If you are depressed Snap out of it, or visit Dr. korvorkian...

>

>>On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Anna Hults wrote:

>

>>> What herbs are good for depression?  (herbs that inhibit serotonin uptake)

>>> Thanks for any suggestions.

>>> Anna Hults 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>

>

>



Valerian, scullcap, st johns wart, are only three, check them out

carefully before using them and use as a simple, one at a time.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Massage Oil

From: Lokiset <lokiset.ccave@edgebbs.com>

Date: 13 Sep 96  05:20:00



 * Crossposted from: Herbalism





What is the best oil for mixing in herbs to be used for massage and healing?



			Thanks, Lokiset



___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: rreno@quebectel.com (R. R.)

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:24:00 GMT



Lokiset <lokiset.ccave@edgebbs.com> wrote:



> * Crossposted from: Herbalism





>What is the best oil for mixing in herbs to be used for massage and healing?



>			Thanks, Lokiset



>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]



Try one of these:

- Apricot kernel oil: natural moisturizer, light texture, high

penetrative qualities.

- Sunflower oil: lot of vitamin E

- Soy oil: light, nourishing, easily absorb (suited for oily skin)

- Sweet almond oil: soothing and softening properties



ref. Aromatherapy Massage [Clare Maxwell-Hudson]



Richard





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: canaltwo@aol.com (Canaltwo)

Date: 22 Sep 1996 12:39:16 -0400



Massage oil for after athletic workout or exercise.  Massage to be done by

your favorite friend or companion after a hot shower while pores are still

open.  Always massage toward the heart.  Shake well before using.



16 ounces rubbing alcohol

8 ounces mineral oil

1 ounce oil of wintergreen

1/2 ounce oil of eucalyptus



This formula was prepared annually by my high school football/track coach

and used by his athletes for over 40 years. 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: drgonmarsh@aol.com (DRGONMARSH)

Date: 22 Sep 1996 21:22:34 -0400



my favorite oil combination is coconut oil, apricot kernal oil, and jojoba

oil. Good for the skin, stays lubricating, and can be put into a wide

mouth dish for scooping as the coconut oil will get semisolid when it gets

cold. Once it is on the skin it immediately melts. This is also good for

the hair as a conditioner.

MB - Dragonmarsh Apothecary



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: gianine@nando.net (Gianine Clayton)

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 03:37:44 GMT



canaltwo@aol.com (Canaltwo) wrote:



>Massage oil for after athletic workout or exercise.  Massage to be done by

>your favorite friend or companion after a hot shower while pores are still

>open.  Always massage toward the heart.  Shake well before using.



>16 ounces rubbing alcohol

>8 ounces mineral oil

>1 ounce oil of wintergreen

>1/2 ounce oil of eucalyptus



>This formula was prepared annually by my high school football/track coach

>and used by his athletes for over 40 years. 



I have always been told that mineral oil will clog your pores- I would

much rather use a vegetable based oil on my skin. Also, I would think

that rubbing alcohol is very drying to the skin.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Lokiset <lokiset.ccave@edgebbs.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: Kent and Kat Dyer <kdyer@nash.tds.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:18:32 -0700



Lokiset wrote:

> 

>  * Crossposted from: Herbalism

> 

> What is the best oil for mixing in herbs to be used for massage and healing?



It depends a lot on the therapist.  My massage therapist, for whom I make 

oils, prefers grapeseed oil.  But even the canola oil or the seseme seed 

oil you find in the grocery will do in a pinch and aren't so expensive.  

Some therapists prefer a lighter oil than others.  Sweet almond oil is 

popular.  Try getting just a little of different oils and experimenting. 

 I have used dried herbs, tinctures and essential oils in making up 

healing massage oils.



Kat



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: yaamaaha@aol.com (Yaamaaha)

Date: 13 Sep 1996 22:21:47 -0400



You might try sweet almond oil or grape seed oil.....





Bright blessings,Kat



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 14 Sep 1996 17:22:40 -0400



In article <amieB5E4CB7B.fromfido@edgebbs.com>, Lokiset

<lokiset.ccave@edgebbs.com> writes:



>What is the best oil for mixing in herbs to be used for massage and

healing?



Almond is very popular, but I've had problems with some almond-based

products going stale.  Has anybody else experienced this?



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: schro@pipeline.com

Date: 14 Sep 1996 23:02:45 GMT



In article <51f7n0$ql2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, HealingPgs writes: 

 

>In article <amieB5E4CB7B.fromfido@edgebbs.com>, Lokiset 

><lokiset.ccave@edgebbs.com> writes: 

> 

>>What is the best oil for mixing in herbs to be used for massage and 

>healing? 

> 

> 

>Almond is very popular, but I've had problems with some almond-based 

>products going stale.  Has anybody else experienced this? 

> 

>Regards, 

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA 

>e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com 

>http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm 

> 

 

Yes, I have until I started putting a little Vit E in to keep it from going

rancid. I personally prefer grapeseed oil over almond though, as many

people are allergic to almond, and grapeseed is very light and absorbs very

well. 

 

Laure



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:38:42 -0500



In article <amieB5E4CB7B.fromfido@edgebbs.com>, Lokiset

<lokiset.ccave@edgebbs.com> wrote:



>  * Crossposted from: Herbalism

> 

> 

> What is the best oil for mixing in herbs to be used for massage and healing?

> 

>                         Thanks, Lokiset

> 

> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]



To mix pure essential oils you need a carrier oil and that can be a sweet

almond oil, apricot oil, or a very expensive oil is JoJoba but for a

massage oil I prefer JoJoba. For bath oil I will use turkey red because it

disperses in water. sweet almond is nice when I want it to cling after a

bath for a moisturizer. Apricot oil I will use in baby oil for children it

is a very mild oil. You can use coconut oil for perfume oils too. Hope

this helped you. Remmeber if it is a true essential oil it must be diluted

ina carrier oil. Never put essential oils directly on your skin.



Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:47:46 -0500



In article <amieB5E4CB7B.fromfido@edgebbs.com>, Lokiset

<lokiset.ccave@edgebbs.com> wrote:



>  * Crossposted from: Herbalism

> 

> 

> What is the best oil for mixing in herbs to be used for massage and healing?

> 

>                         Thanks, Lokiset

> 

> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]



Its me again I just realized that you were asking for an oil for herbs not

essential oils. for herbs It is always extra virgin olive oil and a solar

infusion for four weeks.you then can turn the oil into a salve or keep as

an external oil. For children use apricot oil for its gentleness. Sorry

about that but now you know what oil to use for herbs and essential oils

which by the way I prefer for my massage oils they really turn out

nice.Its late and I have been going all day and just wanted to see if

there was anything new on the group tonight. Good luck with your oils and

herbs they are fun to work with.

Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: "Michael J. Buell" <mbuell@cats-claw.com>

Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:37:02 GMT



My wife and I enjoy grapeseed oil, It is light, absorbs well and is a good

carrier for essential oils.



Lokiset <lokiset.ccave@edgebbs.com> wrote in article

<amieB5E4CB7B.fromfido@edgebbs.com>...

>  * Crossposted from: Herbalism

> 

> 

> What is the best oil for mixing in herbs to be used for massage and

healing?

> 

> 			Thanks, Lokiset

> 

> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: white@nando.net

Date: 19 Sep 1996 02:24:11 GMT





According to Edgar Cayce, Peanut oil is for circulation, and Olive oil and

Lanolin with it are perfect oils. I use a mixture of



8 ounces Peanut oil

4 ounces Olive oil

2 ounces Lanolin



Put these into the blender and use as needed. It definitely causes a

tingling in my legs when I use it and have had others tell me that it causes

the same for them.



Jeff White







On 1996-09-13 rreno@quebectel.com(R.R.) said:

   >Lokiset <lokiset.ccave@edgebbs.com> wrote:

   >>What is the best oil for mixing in herbs to be used for massage

   >and healing?

   >>Thanks, Lokiset

   >>___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR]

   >Try one of these:

   >- Apricot kernel oil: natural moisturizer, light texture, high

   >penetrative qualities.

   >- Sunflower oil: lot of vitamin E

   >- Soy oil: light, nourishing, easily absorb (suited for oily skin)

   >- Sweet almond oil: soothing and softening properties

   >ref. Aromatherapy Massage [Clare Maxwell-Hudson]

   >Richard



Jeff White

Halifax, NC



`[1;35;44mNet-Tamer V 1.06 - Test Drive





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 15:20:27 GMT



In article <amieB5E4CB7B.fromfido@edgebbs.com> Lokiset

<lokiset.ccave@edgebbs.com> wrote:

>What is the best oil for mixing in herbs to be used for massage and healing?



    I've read some excellent responses here and would just like to remind

everyone that the alt.backrubs archive and the alt.backrubs FAQ list have

plenty of suggestions and discussion of this point.  Of course,

the alt.backrubs newsgroup also has discussion of massage (but you'll find

more in the archive).

-- 

Jamie Blustein                                                <jamie@CSD.uwo.ca>

    Answers to questions frequently asked in alt.backrubs are available via

           anonymous FTP from rtfm.mit.edu in pub/usenet/alt.backrubs

              (ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/alt.answers/backrubs)

               See also http://www.ii.uib.no/~kjartan/backrubfaq/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Massage Oil

From: beenthere@home.net (donethat)

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:00:02 GMT



jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein) wrote these amazing words:



>In article <amieB5E4CB7B.fromfido@edgebbs.com> Lokiset

><lokiset.ccave@edgebbs.com> wrote:

>>What is the best oil for mixing in herbs to be used for massage and healing?



so I have read about different oils..some say nourishing, but they

don't say nourishing with WHAT? Vit. E? Vit. A?  It appears that as

long as it's lite, it doesn't matter what effect it has on the skin. I

know Olive oil is a vulnerary.  I don't know about Canola, or Apricot.

I know jojoba won't go rancid for a LONG time. I know wheatgerm oil IS

Vit. E..so it doesn't need vit e added to it, like I saw suggested a

bit ago...I will go to alt.backrubs faq and thank you for giving the

url. Just a little food for thought here folks. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Queen Anns Lace

From: solis <solis@hevanet.com>

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 19:34:21 -0700



Does anyone know of the medicinal value of Queen Anns Lace?



Thanks

Solis



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Queen Anns Lace

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 22:11:38 GMT



In article <3238C82D.297D@hevanet.com>, solis <solis@hevanet.com> wrote:

>Does anyone know of the medicinal value of Queen Anns Lace?

>

>Thanks

>Solis



Hi Solis!

  The seeds are a good anti flatulence medicine and the root is high in 

vitamin A.The root is reputed to dissolve kidney stones but I've never seen 

this verified.Take care to make the proper identification(little purple flower 

in middle of flower) as it has several poisonous lookalikes!

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Queen Anns Lace

From: kdporter@primenet.com (David A. Porter)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 08:07:02 -0700



solis <solis@hevanet.com> wrote:



>Does anyone know of the medicinal value of Queen Anns Lace?



>Thanks

>Solis



There was an article posted in "Archaeology" magazine that talked

about how Queen Anne's Lace was used as a contraceptive.  There were

several other plants listed as well (one of which is now extinct

because it was a highly effective abortifacent).  This magazine was

published about two years ago - you might be able to check it out in

the local library.



David







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Queen Anns Lace

From: Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:56:58 GMT



kdporter@primenet.com (David A. Porter) wrote:

>solis <solis@hevanet.com> wrote:

>

>>Does anyone know of the medicinal value of Queen Anns Lace?

>

>>Thanks

>>Solis

>

>There was an article posted in "Archaeology" magazine that talked

>about how Queen Anne's Lace was used as a contraceptive.  There were

>several other plants listed as well (one of which is now extinct

>because it was a highly effective abortifacent).  This magazine was

>published about two years ago - you might be able to check it out in

>the local library.



According to Susun Weed, it's the seeds of Queen Anne's Lace that you

use like a 'day after pill' until your period comes on, but don't

quote me on that, b/c I lent my book to someone, so I can't check it

hear.  I'm sure it's the seeds, but the dosage/length of taking it

that I can't remember. There must be other uses, though.  But since this

was her book _Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year_ it only

discussed the effects in terms of reproduction.



Colette (mom to Amy, a beautiful homebirthed 21 m/o)

    (and Jumping Jack who is expected sometime in late December!)



"Nature can provide for the needs of people; [she] can't provide for

the greeds of people."  - Mohandas K. Gandhi







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. John's Wort

From: steon@creative.net

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 20:56:12 -0800



I've just started taking St. John's wort (capsules) as a tranquilizer.  It

works fine for me and hangs in there (my dose lasts about six hours). 

Does one habituate to it?   Will I need to take more and more for the same

effect?   Are there side effects worth worrying about?

Any info appreciated.



-- 

Cheers, Steon





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Licorice Root

From: craymond@flash.net (Carole Raymond)

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:21:00 GMT



Does anyone have experience with Licorice Root?  I've read it helps

with hypoglycemia, among other things.  I've read what I could find on

the web, but I would love some info from someone who has taken it.



Thanks.



Carole





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:11:23 +0100



In article <51bm7k$d7m@hermes.acs.unt.edu>, Carole Raymond

<craymond@flash.net> writes

>Does anyone have experience with Licorice Root?  I've read it helps

>with hypoglycemia, among other things.  I've read what I could find on

>the web, but I would love some info from someone who has taken it.

>

>Thanks.

>

>Carole

>



Licorice Root, was an old favourite when I was a child, it was an

alternative to candy. It helped prevent colds, a good blood tonic and a

kidney cleanser.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: rreno@quebectel.com (R. R.)

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:24:05 GMT



craymond@flash.net (Carole Raymond) wrote:



>Does anyone have experience with Licorice Root?  I've read it helps

>with hypoglycemia, among other things.  I've read what I could find on

>the web, but I would love some info from someone who has taken it.



>Thanks.



>Carole



I don't have information about the use of licorice root for the

treatment of hypoglycemia but its principal contraindication is fluid

retention, edema with high blood pressure. This herb is fifty times

sweeter than sugar. Make a research about kudzu root [Puerariae lobata

& thumbergiana] it may be used for the treatment of diabetes and

hypoglycemia.



Richard





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 21:48:45 GMT



In article <51bm7k$d7m@hermes.acs.unt.edu>,

   craymond@flash.net (Carole Raymond) wrote:

>Does anyone have experience with Licorice Root?  I've read it helps

>with hypoglycemia, among other things.  I've read what I could find on

>the web, but I would love some info from someone who has taken it.

>

>Thanks.

>

>Carole

>

It can also be used for chest complaints(coughs,mucus,etc)but don't take it if 

you have high blood pressure,it's a vasoconstrictor ansraises pressure.I have 

taken this herb but stopped when I started taking Tenormin as licorice renders 

tenormin ineffective.It should probably not be taken continuosly over a long 

period of time in medicinal doses.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root

From: moneal@primenet.com (Michael W. O'Neal)

Date: 17 Sep 1996 15:34:02 -0700



craymond@flash.net (Carole Raymond) wrote:

>Does anyone have experience with Licorice Root?  I've read it helps

>with hypoglycemia, among other things.  I've read what I could find on

>the web, but I would love some info from someone who has taken it.

>

>Thanks.

>

>Carole

>

I have enjoyed it as a "candy" for years, slowly chewing on the stick.

I have been diagnosed with hypoglycemia and had it confirmed several

times over the past twenty years. I had never heard of a licorice root

connection with hypoglycemia. However, as I think back, the effects of

hypoglycemia seem to be much milder when I am enjoying a "chew". I

recently picked up the licorice again to give my mouth something to do

while I am stopping smoking. Nice alternative to a toothpick. Also a

conversation starter. I have found that most people have no idea what

natural licorice root is.



Mike



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: male infertility

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 13 Sep 1996 15:37:47 GMT



Does anyone out there know of an herb or other "natural treatment" for

male infertility. A graduate pharmacy intern asked me if I knew of any

thing to help a condition of "dry ejaculate" for want of a better 

term. Sperm count is normal or even high but the seminal fluid is 

less than sufficient. Infertility results; his medical doctor (MD)

says nothing can be done. As he and his wife want children very much

he is at his wits end, so to speak. I thought of Saw Palmetto but I 

have little idea if it would work in this case since the sperm count

is OK. Perhaps a silagogue (herb to promote the production of saliva)

would also help here? Please, anyone with ideas reply publicly or e-

mail.



				In good health (through herbs), Jerry  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.ob-gyn,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Methods to alter the arrival of one's period?

From: elena@bbs.cruzio.com

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:29:36 GMT



I'm going to be doing some traveling soon and I'd really, really like to 

avoid having my period during those few days.  Currently, it's due to arrive 

in the middle of my travel days.  Are there drugs or herbs which could either

help me to postpone it for about 3 days, or else cause it to come about 10

days early, so I could be over and done with it before my trip?  I've heard of

Dr.'s prescribing this for honeymooners and such.

  

Thanks,

elena@cruzio.com







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: elena@bbs.cruzio.com

Newsgroups: sci.med.ob-gyn,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to alter the arrival of one's period?

From: Kent and Kat Dyer <kdyer@nash.tds.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 18:24:18 -0700



elena@bbs.cruzio.com wrote:

> 

> I'm going to be doing some traveling soon and I'd really, really like to

> avoid having my period during those few days.  Currently, it's due to arrive

> in the middle of my travel days.  Are there drugs or herbs which could either

> help me to postpone it for about 3 days, or else cause it to come about 10

> days early, so I could be over and done with it before my trip?  I've heard of

> Dr.'s prescribing this for honeymooners and such.

> 

> Thanks,

> elena@cruzio.com



Most of the herbs which might do this are extremely unsafe if taken 

without professional guidence (like a holistic MD).  You might try taking 

a whiff of pennyroyal oil...just the scent does it for many women but 

whatever you do DO NOT INGEST!!!  



Kat



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to alter the arrival of one's period?

From: regina999@aol.com (Regina999)

Date: 16 Sep 1996 13:06:05 -0400



My understanding, is that pennyroyal (ingested) is safe, but it makes your

menses come.  It is used as a natural abortive.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to alter the arrival of one's period?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 09:43:09 -0400



In article <51k1dt$g6k@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, regina999@aol.com

(Regina999) writes:



>My understanding, is that pennyroyal (ingested) is safe, but it makes

your

>menses come.



Pennyroyal oil is considered highly dangerous (Weed lists fatal doses as

being 1/2 oz and above, and all reputable herbals that I've read state

that the oil should never be taken internally). 



 Infusions made from the leaves of pennyroyal have been used by some

herbalists to bring on menses, approximately 20 drops in a cup of very hot

water, taken no more than 4 times a day.  As an abortifacient, it's

apparently fairly ineffective unless combined with other herbs.  Since

this procedure basically induces a miscarriage, it's considered very

unsafe unless done with careful medical supervision -- there is a risk of

excessive bleeding.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to alter the arrival of one's period?

From: suzan@epix.net (Suzan)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:11:24 -0500



In article <51k1dt$g6k@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, regina999@aol.com

(Regina999) wrote:



||My understanding, is that pennyroyal (ingested) is safe, but it makes your

||menses come.  It is used as a natural abortive.



Pennyroyal can KILL you. It is quite toxic. And yes it can cause a woman's

body to abort but it can do a lot more too.



Finding out what a safe dosage of pennyroyal can be difficult. And it

really isn't worth the risk just to rearrange your period a bit.



Suzan



*************************************************

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.ob-gyn,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to alter the arrival of one's period?

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 21:58:38 GMT



In article <DxoopD.7F9@cruzio.com>, elena@bbs.cruzio.com wrote:

>I'm going to be doing some traveling soon and I'd really, really like to 

>avoid having my period during those few days.  Currently, it's due to arrive 

>in the middle of my travel days.  Are there drugs or herbs which could either

>help me to postpone it for about 3 days, or else cause it to come about 10

>days early, so I could be over and done with it before my trip?  I've heard 

of

>Dr.'s prescribing this for honeymooners and such.

>  

>Thanks,

>elena@cruzio.com

>

>

Hello,

  Promise me you won't take pennyroyal!Your menstrualcycle  is a 

naturalfunction that is unwise to alter.Treat the discomfort as best you can 

but let nature take it's course.If you can buy sponge contraceptives or 

uterine caps in your area this will hold back the flow for a while but that's 

the best I can do.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.ob-gyn,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Methods to alter the arrival of one's period?

From: pbannerm@icis.on.ca (Paula)

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 16:21:54 GMT



sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner) wrote:



>In article <DxoopD.7F9@cruzio.com>, elena@bbs.cruzio.com wrote:

>>I'm going to be doing some traveling soon and I'd really, really like to 

>>avoid having my period during those few days.  Currently, it's due to arrive 

>>in the middle of my travel days.  Are there drugs or herbs which could either

>>help me to postpone it for about 3 days, or else cause it to come about 10

>>days early, so I could be over and done with it before my trip?  I've heard 



The only sure fire method I know is to live with another women who's

menstrual cycle is different then yours. My sister and her friend once

lived with my husband and me.....we loved it ;-). He didn't so

much....but all of our cycles changed. 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Brahmi Plant

From: techsett@pipeline.com(Technical Assets)

Date: 13 Sep 1996 23:15:07 GMT



Does anyone know anything about the Brahmi plant and what are it's uses? 

 

 

-- 

Imar 

------------------- 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Use of herbal Meds

From: rreno@quebectel.com (R. R.)

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:23:57 GMT



Tanya Winkel <trw116@mail.usask.ca> wrote:



>My collegue and I are pharmacy students writing a paper on the use of

>herbal medicines for the treatment of gastrointestinal disorders such as

>constipation, dyspepsia, ulcers, and anti-inflammatory conditions such

>as colitis.  We would like to hear about any positive or negative

>experiences from anyone who currently use or have used any herbal

>product for the treatment of any of the disorders listed above.  We

>would greatly appreciate any information you have to share.  We want to

>evaluate the current use(s) of such products as alternative medicines.



>E-Mail - trw116@mail.usask.ca



One of the first product to use in the chinese herbal medicine for all

these complaints is Kang Ning Wan [Pill Curing] or Zhong Guo Bao Ji

Wan [China Po Chi Pills]. These products are indicated in digestive

disturbances with cramping, headache, vomiting, abdominal bloating,

constipation, diarrhea, nausea, motion sickness. These formulas are

made with 15 differents herbs each. They are very effective. You can

find these formulas in any chinatown or check with acupuncturist or

herbalist.



Richard





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: rreno@quebectel.com

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Use of herbal Meds

From: Art Janssen <Ilea@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 15 Sep 1996 21:53:13 GMT



Re your question about herbal medicines...



My favorite staple is a pint of strong Chamomile tea which I keep brewed in my 

refrigerator.  I have found it to be the best thing I can use against stomach aches, 

gas, intestinal cramps and colic.  In addition to being at least as good as Tumms or 

Maalox, it does not have the acid rebound results of the normal antiacid nor does it 

reduce the quantity of normal stomach acids needed for proper digestion of food. 



When I had abdominal surgery several years ago I woke up with awful lower intestinal 

gas cramps.  The doctor prescribed a prescription form of Di-Gel.  Of course that 

was of no immediate help because the pain was down in the small intestine.  I had my 

husband go down to the caffeteria and buy a couple of bags of Chamomile tea  and 

brewed it at my bed (the hospital had a "coffee bar" in the hall.  Relief was almost 

immediate.  I never did take the Di-Gel tablets.  Didn't need them!  I was permitted 

"clear liquids" and the tea was quite satisfactory.  Every time the cramps started I 

brewed another cup. (Husband had meanwhile brought a box of teabags from home)



Karen Janssen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Use of herbal Meds

From: majic@majicom.com (Ari Cohn)

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 05:54:15 GMT



Art Janssen <Ilea@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>Re your question about herbal medicines...



>My favorite staple is a pint of strong Chamomile tea which I keep brewed in my 

>refrigerator.  



One word of caution with Chamomile.  My Ayurvedic reference book, "A

Life in Balance" by Tawari, specifically advises those with ragweed

allergies to avoid this herb.  Can anyone confirm this proscription

from clinical experience? 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Use of herbal Meds

From: "Cajun" <basque@nbnet.nb.ca>

Date: 19 Sep 1996 00:56:12 GMT



I would caution everybody from ingesting

any of those herbal remedies without really knowing what they contain

exactly!

Some of those were tested in labs and 

contained many ingredients not mentionned and even some very toxic

substances: ex.pesticides, organic and

inorganic toxics, dioxines, etc...No strict

gouvernment control (FDA) over these?

Please be aware.

Good reference is: The Lawrence Review

of Natural Products.

"Natural is not always good for you!"

Cajun.



Ari Cohn <majic@majicom.com> wrote in article <DxwyF5.7p3@cruzio.com>...

> Art Janssen <Ilea@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> 

> >Re your question about herbal medicines...

> 

> >My favorite staple is a pint of strong Chamomile tea which I keep brewed

in my 

> >refrigerator.  

> 

> One word of caution with Chamomile.  My Ayurvedic reference book, "A

> Life in Balance" by Tawari, specifically advises those with ragweed

> allergies to avoid this herb.  Can anyone confirm this proscription

> from clinical experience? 

> 

> 

> 

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Use of herbal Meds

From: Camilla Cracchiolo <camilla@primenet.com>

Date: 19 Sep 1996 03:17:01 -0700



Agreed.  The American Botanical Council and hte Herb Research Foundation

do some periodic quality control testing on selected herbal products.

Both can be quite helpful.  They have some idea which companies are

reputable and which are not.  They can be reached at AmeBotCncl@AOL.com.

They also have a great web site, and you can reach them from the links

section of the herbal medicine page on my website.  Address is in the sig.



I would not purchase herbal products that:



Don't have the Latin name of the herb

Don't have a lot number

Don't have an expiration date



These things above are often a sign that a company cares somewhat about

what goes into the package.



I've found that Nature's Way brands have all this info, and so it's what I

personally use.  But I don't have any lab analysis of the products to back

me up so don't take it as some kind of recommendation. 



I also would be extremely cautious about herbal products imported from

Asia.  Unfortunately, a lot of the cases of adulteration are in imported

products. If you wish to use Chinese herbs, the thing to do is find a

reputable practitioner of Chinese herbalism and find out who they get

their herbs from.



And forget those herbal energy packets sold in places like 7-11.  Usually

manufactured by fly-by-night companies.  Often straight out lie about what

is in the packet: one case a few years ago passed off kola nut as gotu

kola and said it was an 'energizing formula'.  Yeah, I bet it was since

kola nuts are higher in caffeine than coffee beans.



Cajun <basque@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:

: I would caution everybody from ingesting

: any of those herbal remedies without really knowing what they contain

: exactly!

: Some of those were tested in labs and 

: contained many ingredients not mentionned and even some very toxic

: substances: ex.pesticides, organic and

: inorganic toxics, dioxines, etc...No strict

: gouvernment control (FDA) over these?

: Please be aware.

: Good reference is: The Lawrence Review

: of Natural Products.

: "Natural is not always good for you!"

: Cajun.



: Ari Cohn <majic@majicom.com> wrote in article <DxwyF5.7p3@cruzio.com>...

: > Art Janssen <Ilea@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

: > 

: > >Re your question about herbal medicines...

: > 

: > >My favorite staple is a pint of strong Chamomile tea which I keep brewed

: in my 

: > >refrigerator.  

: > 

: > One word of caution with Chamomile.  My Ayurvedic reference book, "A

: > Life in Balance" by Tawari, specifically advises those with ragweed

: > allergies to avoid this herb.  Can anyone confirm this proscription

: > from clinical experience? 

: > 

: > 

: > 

: > 



--

   "The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open

                      that your brain falls out."



                        Camilla Cracchiolo, RN   



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Use of herbal Meds

From: Camilla Cracchiolo <camilla@primenet.com>

Date: 21 Sep 1996 00:31:06 -0700



You mention the Lawrence Review of Natural Products.  Do you happen to

know where I can find this?  Is a book?  A newsletter?  How much does it

cost?



Thanks.



Cajun <basque@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:

: I would caution everybody from ingesting

: any of those herbal remedies without really knowing what they contain

: exactly!

: Some of those were tested in labs and 

: contained many ingredients not mentionned and even some very toxic

: substances: ex.pesticides, organic and

: inorganic toxics, dioxines, etc...No strict

: gouvernment control (FDA) over these?

: Please be aware.

: Good reference is: The Lawrence Review

: of Natural Products.

: "Natural is not always good for you!"

: Cajun.



: Ari Cohn <majic@majicom.com> wrote in article <DxwyF5.7p3@cruzio.com>...

: > Art Janssen <Ilea@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

: > 

: > >Re your question about herbal medicines...

: > 

: > >My favorite staple is a pint of strong Chamomile tea which I keep brewed

: in my 

: > >refrigerator.  

: > 

: > One word of caution with Chamomile.  My Ayurvedic reference book, "A

: > Life in Balance" by Tawari, specifically advises those with ragweed

: > allergies to avoid this herb.  Can anyone confirm this proscription

: > from clinical experience? 

: > 

: > 

: > 

: > 



--

   "The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open

                      that your brain falls out."



                        Camilla Cracchiolo, RN   



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Use of herbal Meds

From: Camilla Cracchiolo <camilla@primenet.com>

Date: 19 Sep 1996 03:02:01 -0700



Ari Cohn <majic@majicom.com> wrote:

: Art Janssen <Ilea@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



: >Re your question about herbal medicines...



: >My favorite staple is a pint of strong Chamomile tea which I keep brewed in my 

: >refrigerator.  



: One word of caution with Chamomile.  My Ayurvedic reference book, "A

: Life in Balance" by Tawari, specifically advises those with ragweed

: allergies to avoid this herb.  Can anyone confirm this proscription

: from clinical experience? 



There have been a couple of anaphyllactic reactions reported in

persons allergic to ragweed in the scientific literature.  I will have to

double check to be sure, but I don't believe that either resulted in a

fatality.  Given that chamomile is one of the most commonly used herbal

teas in the world, I would judge the risk of anaphyllaxsis as pretty low.

Still, it is potentially fatal when it happens; and when a serious

complication happens to you, the risks to others don't matter.



One problem with determining rates of complications from herbs is that

lots of different herbs go under the same name.  Some may be related, some

may not.  Varro Tyler cites a study that found 50 reported allergic

reactions to chamomile from 1887 to 1982.  Out of those, only 5 were

related to Matricaria recutia, which is also called German chamomile.

This plant is what almost all chamomile products sold commercially are

made of and what you find in your herbal tea bag.  However, some plants

closely related to German chamomile can be quite allergenic and some of

these cases may have involved adulteration with agents from these plants.



Chamomile contains compounds that have anti-inflammatory properties and

which inhibits the relase of histamines.  This might be one reason why

there aren't a lot more reports of serious allergic reactions. 



Chamomile does have medicinal use, but nothing that can't be found

elsewhere.  For myself: I don't have ragweed allergies, but if I did, I

wouldn't drink it.  The benefits don't seem to outweigh the risks to me.



However, chamomile appears to be perfectly safe for those people who are

not allergic to ragweed.  So if you don't have ragweed allergies, drink it

and enjoy.



--

   "The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open

                      that your brain falls out."



                        Camilla Cracchiolo, RN   



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Use of herbal Meds

From: JWell@cwo.com

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 08:51:51 GMT



majic@majicom.com (Ari Cohn) wrote these amazing words:



>Art Janssen <Ilea@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



snip



>One word of caution with Chamomile.  My Ayurvedic reference book, "A

>Life in Balance" by Tawari, specifically advises those with ragweed

>allergies to avoid this herb.  Can anyone confirm this proscription

>from clinical experience? 



Yes, they are in the same family. If you are allergic to one, you will

be to the other.



J









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Ari Cohn <majic@majicom.com>

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Use of herbal Meds

From: Liane Goodrich <liane@ccnet.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:58:53 -0700



Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.



Ari Cohn wrote:

> 

> Art Janssen <Ilea@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> 

> >Re your question about herbal medicines...

> 

> >My favorite staple is a pint of strong Chamomile tea which I keep brewed in my

> >refrigerator.

> 

> One word of caution with Chamomile.  My Ayurvedic reference book, "A

> Life in Balance" by Tawari, specifically advises those with ragweed

> allergies to avoid this herb.  Can anyone confirm this proscription

> from clinical experience?





I have no clinical experience, only personal.  I like chamomile tea at

bedtime, have used it from childhood.  I have terrible seasonal spring

allergies, mostly to grasses and have not any exacerbation of allergic

systoms if I have tea.  I also use a topical cosmetic creme that

contains chamomile and it does not bother me if I use it on my eyes (it

is an eye creme for puffiness)  I purchase gourmet chamomile from

Germany at import store.



Liane RN



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.pharmacy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Use of herbal Meds

From: Camilla Cracchiolo <camilla@primenet.com>

Date: 16 Sep 1996 00:12:03 -0700



Many people report good results with ginger.  It has been subjected to 6

placebo controlled, double blind studies and found effective in 4 of the

6.  Mowrey found 980 mg. of encapsulated powdered ginger to be more

effective than 100 mg. dramamine in a motion sickness trial.  Mowrey (who

did the very first study and so most people agree he's the expert) states

that the most effective way to take it is in capsule form because you need

enough to leave a faint ginger aftertaste in your mouth.  



See _Pharmacognosy and Pharmacobiotechnology_ by Varro Tyler for more

information. You could also consult Mowrey's books "The Scientific

Validation of Herbal Medicine" and "Herbal Tonic Therapies" although

there's a lot of stuff in those books that I personally disagree with.

(I don't think he likes to hear bad stuff about herbs.  But when he's just

sticking to mechanisms of action and the theraputic effects, his books are

handy references.) 



You may also wish to contact the American Botanical Council at

AmeBotCncl@AOL.com. They have a great web page and a treasure house of

scientifically validated information on medicinal herbs.



What *I* would really like to know is if anyone is reporting the use of

deglycyrrhized licorice for spastic and inflammatory bowel disorders and

if it's of any help.  It contains a substance that inhibits the secretion

of gastrin, and is approved for gastritis in Germany.  But I haven't found

any references to its use in IBS or Chrons.



Tanya Winkel <trw116@mail.usask.ca> wrote:

: My collegue and I are pharmacy students writing a paper on the use of

: herbal medicines for the treatment of gastrointestinal disorders such as

: constipation, dyspepsia, ulcers, and anti-inflammatory conditions such

: as colitis.  We would like to hear about any positive or negative

: experiences from anyone who currently use or have used any herbal

: product for the treatment of any of the disorders listed above.  We

: would greatly appreciate any information you have to share.  We want to

: evaluate the current use(s) of such products as alternative medicines.



: E-Mail - trw116@mail.usask.ca





--

   "The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open

                      that your brain falls out."



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Travel Kit and more....

From: Sharon Litton <SharonLitton@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 20:57:06 -0500



Check our the following site.  It probably has some of the best 

information I've read on echinacea, has all about preparing an herbal 

first aid travel kit, and more.....



http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbs/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Toxic Liver

From: joanind@aol.com (Joanind)

Date: 13 Sep 1996 22:05:56 -0400



Any information about detoxifying the liver would be appreciated.



Thanks in advance.



Joan

Joanind@aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Toxic Liver

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 14 Sep 1996 21:25:46 -0400



In article <51d3u4$6rp@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, joanind@aol.com (Joanind)

writes:



>Any information about detoxifying the liver would be appreciated.



Milk thistle is the herb most commonly used and the active ingrediant is

silymarin.  If buying it in pill or liquid form, check for a standardized

70 to 80 percent silymarin content.  For a heavily damaged liver, most

herbal books recommend around 420 milligrams a day (divided up into 3

doses).  For prevention, the standard dose is 280 milligrams.  



There have been a lot of studies done, particularily in Germany, where

silymarin is used to treat alcoholics, ward off the side-effects of

anethesia, and generally protect the liver from more serious

pharmaceuticals.  Obviously, it isn't going to replace good diet, etc.,

but if you have to take drugs that cause liver damage (such as

chemotherapy) or are recovering from liver damaging disease, milk thistle

should help.  It's also a very safe herb (no known side-effects except a

mild laxative effect in some individuals). If you want to know more about

silymarin, check out the works of Christopher Hobbs, Michael Murray or Don

Brown's "Herbal Prescriptions For Better Health."  If you have access to

Herbal Drugs & Phytopharmaceuticals, there is a  chapter on silymarin.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail : healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Toxic Liver

From: suzan@epix.net (Suzan)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 18:33:14 -0500



In article <51d3u4$6rp@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, joanind@aol.com (Joanind) wrote:



||Any information about detoxifying the liver would be appreciated.

||

||Thanks in advance.

||



Low protien diet and milk thistle may help. Also avoid taking in toxins

such as alcohol, pesticides and the like.



Suzan



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or say is published around the world...

even if what is published is not true." 

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************************************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Epilepsy

From: "Shannon" <SDiehl@bedford.net>

Date: 14 Sep 1996 02:54:51 GMT



Anyone know anything about how to treat it using holistic methods? I have a

friend that has grand mal seizures a few times a week even with medication.

I am studying kinesiology, as well as nutrition and holistic treatments.

Please let me know if you have any information!



Shannon

SDiehl@Bedford.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Issues@catalina.org, Shannon <SDiehl@bedford.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Epilepsy

From: ToughtMaster <Jabriol@cris.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 07:39:45 -0400



I have a nuerological disorder, epilepsy for short ;)



you must define what is the cause for your friend epilepsy,

up to date there is around 22 types of it, I suffer from 3 of them,

However I had to be on chemotherapy to get mine under control.

and no I did not have cancer. I was also offered split-brain surgery.

please tell us what is the origin of his condition. if any.



On 14 Sep 1996, Shannon wrote:



> Anyone know anything about how to treat it using holistic methods? I have a

> friend that has grand mal seizures a few times a week even with medication.

> I am studying kinesiology, as well as nutrition and holistic treatments.

> Please let me know if you have any information!

> 

> Shannon

> SDiehl@Bedford.net

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Epilepsy

From: lewarno@snowcrest.net (Lew Arno)

Date: 17 Sep 1996 19:01:55 GMT



Over a year ago I stated taking Melatonin and decided to start my dogs on it 

too.  They are both 11 years old and have suffered from seizures all of their 

life.  Well guess what?  Neither of them has had a seizure since they have been 

on the melatonin.  They get it every night before I go to bed.  It has been a 

whole year they have been seizure free.  There are many different reasons for 

epilepsy, but it might be worth a try.  Good luck  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Blue Cohosh

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:37:42 -0500



Does anyone out there have  any knowledge as how to use 

blue cohosh or black cohash. I know it is toxic but have heard it is 

good for pregnant women in late stages of pregancy?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pubescent Holly Root and the Treatment of Cardiovascular Diseases

From: chinagc@ix.netcom.com (Longtian Wang)

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 05:18:01 GMT



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http://www.china-guide.com/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: In Search of Sassafras...

From: tommy27@ix.netcom.com(Thomas L. Barthel)

Date: 14 Sep 1996 06:00:34 GMT



I am interested in obtaining natural sassafras in oz. quantities.

Please advise...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: In Search of Sassafras...

From: fizzbomb@aol.com (FizzBomb)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:46:51 -0400



In article <51dhm2$bcl@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,

tommy27@ix.netcom.com(Thomas L. Barthel) wrote:



> I am interested in obtaining natural sassafras in oz. quantities.

> Please advise...



Ground sassafras is also known as fil and is used particularly in

Louisana cooking as a flavorer and thickener.  Try looking in gourmet or

herb shops or the like.



FizzBomb <--> fizzbomb@aol.com

"Etoufee"



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: In Search of Sassafras...

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 17 Sep 1996 15:27:10 GMT



fizzbomb@aol.com (FizzBomb) wrote:

>

> In article <51dhm2$bcl@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,

> tommy27@ix.netcom.com(Thomas L. Barthel) wrote:

> 

> > I am interested in obtaining natural sassafras in oz. quantities.

> > Please advise...

> 

> Ground sassafras is also known as fil and is used particularly in

> Louisana cooking as a flavorer and thickener.  Try looking in gourmet or

> herb shops or the like.

> 

> FizzBomb <--> fizzbomb@aol.com

> "Etoufee"

> 

> !--

> la tierra de fizzbomb!  featuring content, links, fonts, blimy, mixed tapes, fun!

> http://www.gse.upenn.edu/PaulC/

> //--



FizzBomb; You are right but its the Sassafras LEAF that is ground

for file~. The inner bark of the root has the flavor and aroma of

"root beer" and is what most people use for tea.



			In good health (through herbs), Jerry		



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: In Search of Sassafras...

From: Denny Stamps <"dgs@dgs"@mail.atl.bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:36:29 -0700



jerry smith wrote:

> 

> fizzbomb@aol.com (FizzBomb) wrote:

> >

> > In article <51dhm2$bcl@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,

> > tommy27@ix.netcom.com(Thomas L. Barthel) wrote:

> >

> > > I am interested in obtaining natural sassafras in oz. quantities.

> > > Please advise...

> >

> > Ground sassafras is also known as fil and is used particularly in

> > Louisana cooking as a flavorer and thickener.  Try looking in gourmet or

> > herb shops or the like.

> >

> > FizzBomb <--> fizzbomb@aol.com

> > "Etoufee"

> >

> > !--

> > la tierra de fizzbomb!  featuring content, links, fonts, blimy, mixed tapes, fun!

> > http://www.gse.upenn.edu/PaulC/

> > //--

> 

> FizzBomb; You are right but its the Sassafras LEAF that is ground

> for file~. The inner bark of the root has the flavor and aroma of

> "root beer" and is what most people use for tea.

> 

>                         In good health (through herbs), JerryIt grows very wild here in Ga. have plenty in my backyard.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to protect against bad breath?????

From: codyrica@cphl.mindspring.com (John Cody Rocap)

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 06:08:22 GMT





Hello folks:



I've got a new problem. All of a sudden my wife tells me I've

developed bad breath. 



Can anyone suggest an herbal remedy? I don't think I'm gonna be

gettin' any before this problem clears up.



Help



John Cody





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to protect against bad breath?????

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 15:32:10 +0100



In article <51d3p2$ukl@camel0.mindspring.com>, John Cody Rocap

<codyrica@cphl.mindspring.com> writes

>

>Hello folks:

>

>I've got a new problem. All of a sudden my wife tells me I've

>developed bad breath. 

>

>Can anyone suggest an herbal remedy? I don't think I'm gonna be

>gettin' any before this problem clears up.

>

>Help

>

>John Cody

>



Chew parsley leaves, its an excellent breath freshner, but also visit

your dentist, bad breath can come from tooth decay, or problems with

your gums.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to protect against bad breath?????

From: Chicago Lil Bear <bcbear@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:52:30 -0500



I also use those BreathAssure capsules along with the CrystalBreath

capsules when it is inconvenient to chrew on parsley. They contain

parsley oil along with a couple of other oils. They work pretty good

after eating fresh onions and garlic for lunch.



But I have to agree about seeing your dentist. I did and ended up

discovering 4 teeth that were in need of being repaired cause of

cavities under the gum line that were trapping food. It was a pain

having the dental work done, but I'm now a bit more careful with my

brushing and flossing.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to protect against bad breath?????

From: Art Janssen <Ilea@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 15 Sep 1996 21:59:46 GMT



codyrica@cphl.mindspring.com (John Cody Rocap) wrote:

>

>Hello folks:

>

>I've got a new problem. All of a sudden my wife tells me I've

>developed bad breath. 

>

>Can anyone suggest an herbal remedy? I don't think I'm gonna be

>gettin' any before this problem clears up.

>

>Help

>

>John Cody

>





John if it is something sudden and new - and you can't attach it to a regular change 

in your diet - and brushing your teeth doesn't help  - there are 2 possibilities 

which you should check out immediately if not sooner.



1.  See your dentist.  My husband had 2 abscessed teeth with no pain but appalling 

bad breath.  Like something had died in there!



2.  If that shows nothing wrong see your doctor.  A sudden case of bad breath may 

well signal the onset of some serious health problems.





Whatever you do, find out the CAUSE.  Don't just look to treat the symptom!  You 

could well create more trouble for yourself than you realize.



Karen Janssen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to protect against bad breath?????

From: drweed@1stnet.net (Duane Weed, DC)

Date: 23 Sep 1996 22:33:10 GMT



>codyrica@cphl.mindspring.com (John Cody Rocap) wrote:

>

>Hello folks:

>

>I've got a new problem. All of a sudden my wife tells me I've

>developed bad breath. 

>

>Can anyone suggest an herbal remedy? I don't think I'm gonna be

>gettin' any before this problem clears up.

>

>Help

>

>John Cody

>



Bad breath is often a symptom of colon problems, particularly toxic build-up

in the colon. Try digestive enzymes along with colon cleaning herbs, friendly

bacteria supplements (acidophilus and bifidobacterium), and psyllium hulls

for fiber. Nature's Sunshine makes a 10-day herbal cleaning supplement called 

Chinese Tiao He Cleanse which is a good way to start.







-- 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: codyrica@cphl.mindspring.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to protect against bad breath?????

From: ronscot

Date: 19 Sep 1996 18:34:32 GMT



Use Chlorophyll,go on a cleansing program (one that cleans out your 

digestive system), and go to the dentist.



Slash





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Stomach Acid

From: Matthew Jaquish <mattj@u.washington.edu>

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 01:32:30 -0700





    I am looking for any information concerning alleviation of excess

stomach acid.  I am hoping to find something, ideally in the form of tea,

that would help my mother to be able to eat more foods.  Even when not

eating, she builds up an abnormal amount of stomach acid, and when she

does eat, it must be very bland food so as not to increase her discomfort.

Any information on this topic would be much appreciated.



Thank you in advance,



    Matt.



	"'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.

	    'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here.

	I'm mad.  You're mad.'

	    'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.

	    'You must be,' said the Cat, 'or you wouldn't have come here.'"



			-Lewis Carroll

			 Alice's Adventures in Wonderland





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stomach Acid

From: RBHOGGAN@CBE.AB.CA (Ron Hoggan)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 01:55:57 GMT



On Sat, 14 Sep 1996, Matthew Jaquish <mattj@u.washington.edu> wrote:



>    I am looking for any information concerning alleviation of excess

>stomach acid.  I am hoping to find something, ideally in the form of tea,

>that would help my mother to be able to eat more foods.  Even when not

>eating, she builds up an abnormal amount of stomach acid, and when she

>does eat, it must be very bland food so as not to increase her discomfort.



Excess stomach acids often result from excessive histamine secretion in 

response to the presence of antigens. Lactose intolerance and gluten 

intolerance are two of the more common causes of such acid 

overproduction. An elimination diet is one approach, but a quicker, 

easier solution is to test the blood for anti-endomysium antibodies. That 

will either identify or rule out gluten intolerance. I'm afraid that the 

trial exclusion of all milk products is the only way I know to check for 

lactose intolerance. 



I hope this is helpful.

Best Wishes,

Ron Hoggan 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stomach Acid

From: Chris Pittman <cap2@sprynet.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 15:47:34 -0400



Dr. Earl Mindell covers this topic in the September issue of his

newsletter.



Chris Pittman

cap2@sprynet.com



>     I am looking for any information concerning alleviation of excess

> stomach acid.  I am hoping to find something, ideally in the form of tea,

> that would help my mother to be able to eat more foods.  Even when not

> eating, she builds up an abnormal amount of stomach acid, and when she

> does eat, it must be very bland food so as not to increase her discomfort.

> Any information on this topic would be much appreciated.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: mattj@u.washington.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stomach Acid

From: Art Janssen <Ilea@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 15 Sep 1996 22:04:33 GMT



Matthew Jaquish <mattj@u.washington.edu> wrote:

>

>    I am looking for any information concerning alleviation of excess

>stomach acid.  I am hoping to find something, ideally in the form of tea,

>that would help my mother to be able to eat more foods.  Even when not

>eating, she builds up an abnormal amount of stomach acid, and when she

>does eat, it must be very bland food so as not to increase her discomfort.

>Any information on this topic would be much appreciated.

>

>Thank you in advance,

>

>    Matt.

>



Matt you might want to have her try liccorice chewables.  They seem to be helpful 

for me.  According to Dr. Whittaker's book, the chewable liccorice tablets stimulate 

the production of substances in the saliva (which is why you must chew them).  These 

saliva substances in turn stimulate the protective mechanism of the stomach wall - a 

coating of some sort which prevents the stomach tissues from the acid of the 

contents.



The acid is needed to properly digest food so you may not want to decrease the 

acidity of the stomach - just protect the tissues from it.



Another helpful herb is Chamomile tea.  It is supposed to be a smooth muscle relaxer 

and I find it VERY effective against colic (lower bowel gas cramping), gas and 

general stomach aches.  I keep some brewed in the refrigerator for night time 

stomach aches.



Karen Janssen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stomach Acid

From: smittola@aol.com (SMITTOLA)

Date: 16 Sep 1996 23:03:41 -0400





>I am looking for any information concerning alleviation >of excess

>stomach acid.  I am hoping to find something, ideally in >the form of

tea,

>that would help my mother to be able to eat more foods.  >Even when not

>eating, she builds up an abnormal amount of stomach acid, >and when she

>does eat, it must be very bland food so as not to increase >her

discomfort.

>Any information on this topic would be much appreciated.



>Thank you in advance,



>    Matt.



Well there are lots of things available to counteract excessive stomach

acid, but by far the best, in my opinion, is Ginger.  This herb is a

natural agent that really works well to sooth heartburn caused by to much

acid. How do you know how much to take?  Take a couple of capsules every

five minutes until the pain is gone.  Sometime this make takeup to a dozen

capsules, but it works every time for me!  Ginger can be found at most

healthfood stores and it's fairly inexpensive.  You can use this to make

tea as well.



Steve



==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stomach Acid

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:41:10 -0500







On 16 Sep 1996, SMITTOLA wrote:



> 

> >I am looking for any information concerning alleviation >of excess

> >stomach acid.  I am hoping to find something, ideally in >the form of

> tea,

> >that would help my mother to be able to eat more foods.  >Even when not

> >eating, she builds up an abnormal amount of stomach acid, >and when she

> >does eat, it must be very bland food so as not to increase >her

> discomfort.

> >Any information on this topic would be much appreciated.

> 

> >Thank you in advance,

> 

> >    Matt.

> 

> Well there are lots of things available to counteract excessive stomach

> acid, but by far the best, in my opinion, is Ginger.  This herb is a

> natural agent that really works well to sooth heartburn caused by to much

> acid. How do you know how much to take?  Take a couple of capsules every

> five minutes until the pain is gone.  Sometime this make takeup to a dozen

> capsules, but it works every time for me!  Ginger can be found at most

> healthfood stores and it's fairly inexpensive.  You can use this to make

> tea as well.

> 

> Steve

> 

> 

I have found that ginger ale (you'll have to look to find one made 

w/ginger and not artificial stuff) with a sprinkle of ginger in it helps 

a great deal and is a very pleasant before meal drink. Helps fill you up, 

too. 



You didn't say what was causing the stomach acid to be high. Is her gall 

bladder okay? That would be a completely different matter. 



Cissy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stomach Acid

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 09:45:26 -0400



In article <51l4ed$2ks@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, smittola@aol.com (SMITTOLA)

writes:



>You can use this to make

>tea as well.



Yogi does a really nice ginger tea that I've found to be as effective as

anything.  I usually carry some with me when traveling and it works fine

for motion sickness.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stomach Acid

From: mlmpro@inland.net (Alan)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:34:59 GMT



Matthew Jaquish <mattj@u.washington.edu> wrote:





>    I am looking for any information concerning alleviation of excess

>stomach acid.  I am hoping to find something, ideally in the form of tea,

>that would help my mother to be able to eat more foods.  Even when not

>eating, she builds up an abnormal amount of stomach acid, and when she

>does eat, it must be very bland food so as not to increase her discomfort.

>Any information on this topic would be much appreciated.



>Thank you in advance,



>    Matt.



>	"'But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.

>	    'Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: 'we're all mad here.

>	I'm mad.  You're mad.'

>	    'How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.

>	    'You must be,' said the Cat, 'or you wouldn't have come here.'"



>			-Lewis Carroll

>			 Alice's Adventures in Wonderland



Well, Matt, I sure do know what your mother is going through.  I had

the same problem several years ago, back when I didn't know about

herbs.  I wish I had.  The problem went away on its own, but sometimes

I still have bouts of it.  I drink fenugreek tea when I have the

problem and it seems to do the trick.  Anise is supposed to be good

too, but I haven't tried it yet.  I tried a slippery elm bark lozenge

once, that helped.  Other herbs good for the stomach are bay leaf,

angelica, coriander, mint, peppermint, and garlic.  Try one of these

and see if it helps.  Each person is different, so what helped me

might not necceserily help your mother.  Hope this helps.

CharityHagen

crzy4birds@juno.com



-----------------------------------------

Alan   mlmpro@inland.net

-----------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sanshedan

From: hardy@mail.sdsu.edu (Darla)

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 10:31:42 GMT



I have been having this problem for about 2 years of constantly

needing to clear my throat. I'm not sure if its related to allergies

or to the fact that I smoked until 3 years ago. 

Anyway, I know that Sanshedan is useful for lung problems and

congestion. I was wonding if it might also be useful for troat

problems. Does anyone have any info about this?

If you do it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

   ***********************

   * hardy@mail.sdsu.edu *

   * major: Psychology   *

   * minor: Art          * 

   ***********************



"Earth does not belong to man, man belongs to Earth" -Chief Seattle

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sanshedan

From: rreno@quebectel.com (The Chinese Way)

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:29:02 GMT



hardy@mail.sdsu.edu (Darla) wrote:



>I have been having this problem for about 2 years of constantly

>needing to clear my throat. I'm not sure if its related to allergies

>or to the fact that I smoked until 3 years ago. 

>Anyway, I know that Sanshedan is useful for lung problems and

>congestion. I was wonding if it might also be useful for troat

>problems. Does anyone have any info about this?

>If you do it would be greatly appreciated.

>Thanks.

>   ***********************

>   * hardy@mail.sdsu.edu *

>   * major: Psychology   *

>   * minor: Art          * 

>   ***********************



>"Earth does not belong to man, man belongs to Earth" -Chief Seattle

>--------------------------------------------------------------------



San She Dan Chuan Bei Ye  is also good for cough with phlegm,

bronchitis, emphysema and asthma. You have to take 1-2 vials/day.

You can find this product in a chinatown or ask to a chinese

herbalist.



"The Chinese Way"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kid's Supplements and Health

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 13:26:49 GMT





Kid's Supplement and Health



I finally found a chewable supplement I will recommend for 

kids.  It is called Nutrakids Complete.  I probably paid 

way too much for it since I bought it at GNC ($10 for 60 - 

dosage is one per day), but that was the only place I have 

seen it.



Nutrakids has a decent amount of vitamins and major 

minerals, but more importantly, has trace elements that no 

other chewable has.  These include vanadium, boron, 

silicon, chromium, and especially selenium.  Selenium is 

very important for immune system function, and there is 

only one other chewable I have found with it.  However, 

the RDA for kids is 150 mcg per day, and Nutrakids has 

only 20 mcg, but that is 4 times higher than the only 

other chewable I have found that contains it, Now 

Chewy-Vits.



I am still looking for a chewable magnesium/calcium 

complex for kids.  The Nutrakids has a small amount of 

these minerals, 5/10% RDA, but it is not adequate.  To 

make sure a kid gets enough, I recommend using Now Full 

Spectrum Minerals.  They are large tablets made for 

adults, but can be easily crushed into a powder for 

administration.  They also have some selenium, but still 

not enough.



Astragalus is a Chinese herb that has immune-building 

properties, probably because it is a rich source of 

selenium.  It is a good supplement for kids, especially 

ones that tend to get ill easily.  It is very inexpensive, 

too.  I recently saw Now brand of it for $4 per 100 

capsules in a large health food store near my home.



If one wanted to ensure their kids were getting adequate 

vitamins and minerals, a good way to do it would be to 

make a ~20 day supply of the minerals with astragalus and 

give daily with a Nutrakids tablet.  To make a supply, 

crush 10 Now Full Spectrum Minerals and mix with the 

powder of 20 astragalus capsules.  The mineral tablets can 

be crushed or ground in a food processor or coffee 

grinder, mortar and pestle, or in a plastic bag with a 

rolling pin or jar.  Mix the powder with a little honey 

and lemon, or mix it into some orange juice, perhaps with 

a little honey in the juice to make more palatable.  For a 

75 pound kid, administer a heaping 1/4 teaspoon of this 

powder along with a Nutrakids tablet per day.



Since one will be mixing up and administering powder 

anyway, money can be saved by using an adult multivitamin 

supplement, like Twinlab's Daily One, instead of the 

chewable.  A 75 pound kid needs less than of 

a superpotency multivitamin like this per day.  It already 

contains adequate selenium too, so the astragalus is not 

necessary, but could be included for the other immune 

building properties of the herb for kids who tend to get 

sick easily.  To make a ~20 day supply with this multivitamin, use 

5 Daily Ones with 10 Full Spectrum Minerals and 10 

astragalus capsules.  Use 1/2 teaspoon of this mixture per 

day per 75 pounds.



There are more important methods than this regimen for 

keeping kids healthy, though.  The main one is to avoid 

unsterilized dairy products, the main cause of ear 

infections, chronic congestion, and other bacterial caused 

maladies.  See the post called "Diet and Supplement Tips" 

in the misc.health.alternative newsgroup and read the 

Dairy Products and Eggs advice for more information.  



If one's kids have constant bouts with ear infections, 

avoiding unsterilized dairy products is the most important 

recommendation.  They can be sterilized by boiling for 10 

seconds, or by baking them.  The cheese on pizza is safe, 

as are boiled sauces with cheese or milk.  Milk sold cold 

must be boiled for 10 seconds to be safe.  In some 

markets, milk is available that is sold on the shelf, 

warm.  It is sterile.  Yogurt can be made with this milk.  

Butter and cream is less contaminated with bacteria than 

other dairy products, but should still be sterilized.  Ice 

cream and frozen yogurt can not be consumed without risk 

of bacterial infection, but milk shakes can be made with 

the sterilized milk, ice, and fruit, vanilla, or chocolate 

in a blender.



(Milk should be 2% fat or higher.  It lowers the glycemic 

index plus makes the nutrients absorbable.  Skim milk can 

supposedly leach calcium from the body because of the lack 

of fat.)



The most important recommendation to avoid colds and flu 

is to avoid grain products.  These often contain tiny 

amounts of mold which "gag" the immune system and allow 

viruses and bacteria to gain a foothold.  This effect can 

be minimized by mixing grain products with vitamin C 

(ascorbic acid crystals), or better yet, baking things 

like bread or cooking rice or pasta with vitamin C added.  

If grain products will be eaten and not mixed or baked 

with vitamin C, the next best thing is to consume vitamin 

C along with them.  Some grains like rye contain so much 

mold that vitamin C will not work.  Never give a 

chronically ill kid anything that contains rye or its 

flour. 



Damaged fruit and vegetables are also a source of molds.  

Be sure any fruit eaten, especially apples, contain no 

bruises.  Keep produce in plastic bags in the refrigerator 

when possible and never use any produce in a bag in which 

there is mold.  See the "Diet and Supplement Tips" post 

for more information on avoiding molds.



Household hygiene is also very important.  Replace the 

dish rag and hand towels daily.  Handle raw chicken and 

other meats as if it has the plague and use antibacterial 

soap for cleanup.  Teach children impeccable hygiene for 

using the restroom.  See the "Diet and Supplement Tips" post 

for more information on this topic.



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: turf <turf@mindspring.com>

Newsgroups: misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kid's Supplements and Health

From: MeiTien <a.wu@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 12:01:05 -0400



Turf,



Thanks for posting this, it is really helpful.



I wonder how does vitamin C help the grain? Won't it lose its power after it is cooked?



Mei-Tien



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ointment base

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 15:31:42 +0100



In article <32283b26.8972995@news.omen.com.au>, desiree

<dez@faroc.com.au> writes

>On Tue, 27 Aug 1996 12:24:19 -0700, Jodi <jo.ferri@simcoe.net> wrote:

>

>>> "Jack Hawthorne" <hawthorne@patrol.i-way.co.uk> wrote:

>>> 

>>> >hello, i've just begun to make my own herbal preparations . but i'm having

>>> >lots of difficulty finding a solid base for ointment. i have tried a

>>> >mixture of veg fat, coconut butter,and almond oil but it separates and is

>>> >bitty. i know that wax will thicken but in what quantities can anyone

>>> >help? any recipes? thanks, sara hawthornexx

>>> 

>>

>>If you are preparing skin salves use aqeaus cream or sorbeline cream

>>

>>

>>The recipe I use for salves requires 1 part beeswax to 4 parts oil. 

>>It's always worked well for me.  

>>

>>Jodi

>



Jodi is right Aqeaus cream, with its water base is excellent, it is

often used by people with skin conditions like exema where normal creams

can have a inflamatory effect. use a double boiler, and add your oils

drop by drop I also use honey in some receipes, and beeswax is a good

thickener.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.support.menopause,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Vitex and DHEA - can you take them together?

From: "Ellen J. MacKay" <EMacKay@juno.com>

Date: 14 Sep 96 17:38:02 GMT



About 6 months ago I started taking vitex for menopause symptoms.  The

symptoms subsided and all went back to normal.  After four months I started

taking DHEA  and periods got closer together and heavier.  Could it be the

two together?  I stopped taking them both, because I called my M.D. and she

said "We don't really know what is in Vitex"( don't think she knows what

Vitex is)  my symptoms  returned with a vengeance.  Two weeks later I

started the vitex again and  am better.  I liked the DHEA because of the

increase in energy and weight loss.  Can I take them both?

 

Ellen



EMacKay@juno.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.support.menopause,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Vitex and DHEA - can you take them together?

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:55:18 -0500



In article <01bba264$210ab600$8b39e6cd@westowrld.com.westworld.com>,

"Ellen J. MacKay" <EMacKay@juno.com> wrote:



> About 6 months ago I started taking vitex for menopause symptoms.  The

> symptoms subsided and all went back to normal.  After four months I started

> taking DHEA  and periods got closer together and heavier.  Could it be the

> two together?  I stopped taking them both, because I called my M.D. and she

> said "We don't really know what is in Vitex"( don't think she knows what

> Vitex is)  my symptoms  returned with a vengeance.  Two weeks later I

> started the vitex again and  am better.  I liked the DHEA because of the

> increase in energy and weight loss.  Can I take them both?

>  

> Ellen

> 

> EMacKay@juno.com

 

Hi Ellen, 

  keep taking the vitex since it helps you but look for an alternative for

the weight loss and energy there is plenty out there but don't get

synthetic stuff go for the natural herbs and teas that will blend well

with the vitex. You obviously can't take both look for an alternative read

herbals there are plenty of those out there and they all say something. 



Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.support.menopause,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Vitex and DHEA - can you take them together?

From: Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com>

Date: 15 Sep 1996 16:14:36 GMT



I've noticed my periods getting closer together since adding a vitexdong 

quai mixture to the arsenal I take daily - I've been taking 50 mgs. of 

DHEA for several months previously and not noticing that effect.  Now, we 

all are different so it might just be me.  On the other hand it may be 

the *combination* that's doing it.  But yes, longer periods more 

frequently is what I've been experiencing since doing *both* the combo 

tinctures and the DHEA - while reducing Premarin at the same time.



So it's murky but a picture may be emerging here.



I'm not clear on what you mean, Catherine by "you can't do both".  Also - 

what herbs do you recommend for energy and weight loss?  I'm really 

interested in both!! :-)



Until reading these two posts (didn't get the first one) I was pretty 

much figuring the dong quai was responsible for the heavier periods as 

I've read other meno women saying they didn't like this dong quai effect.



Hmmmm.



dn



tm@digital.net wrote:

>In article <01bba264$210ab600$8b39e6cd@westowrld.com.westworld.com>,

>"Ellen J. MacKay" <EMacKay@juno.com> wrote:

>

>> About 6 months ago I started taking vitex for menopause symptoms.  The

>> symptoms subsided and all went back to normal.  After four months I started

>> taking DHEA  and periods got closer together and heavier.  Could it be the

>> two together?  I stopped taking them both, because I called my M.D. and she

>> said "We don't really know what is in Vitex"( don't think she knows what

>> Vitex is)  my symptoms  returned with a vengeance.  Two weeks later I

>> started the vitex again and  am better.  I liked the DHEA because of the

>> increase in energy and weight loss.  Can I take them both?

>>  

>> Ellen

>> 

>> EMacKay@juno.com

> 

>Hi Ellen, 

>  keep taking the vitex since it helps you but look for an alternative for

>the weight loss and energy there is plenty out there but don't get

>synthetic stuff go for the natural herbs and teas that will blend well

>with the vitex. You obviously can't take both look for an alternative read

>herbals there are plenty of those out there and they all say something. 

>

>Catherine

>

>-- 

>Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

>407-729-0104

>tm@digital.net

  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: dnoche@mail.wco.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.support.menopause,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Vitex and DHEA - can you take them together?

From: joanna warwick <healthwell@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 17 Sep 1996 18:25:13 GMT





vitex increases progesterone production if a woman is still menstruating. 

I believe DHEA shd be taken only in the context of holistic, 

comprehensive hormone replacement -- otherwise you're unbalancing your 

endocrine system.  It's a pity that it's so difficult for perimenopausal 

women to get competent help -- I know of only two M.D.'s in the whole 

country who specialize in this field and take a complete hormonal 

profile.

Progesterone is more "the woman's hormone" than DHEA -- tho both are 

androgens.

I'd call a compounding pharmacy like WIP, 800-279-5708, and see if they 

can offer DHEA advice, especially in terms of dosage.  Those pharmacists 

are generally more knowledgeable than a typical doctor.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: dnoche@mail.wco.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.support.menopause,misc.health.alternative,alt.com

Subject: Re: Vitex and DHEA - can you take them together?

From: Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com>

Date: 17 Sep 1996 16:24:50 GMT



I'm really rethinking this - I wonder now if the DHEA wasn't beginning to 

effect the frequency of my periods (as in now twice a month!) before I 

thought it was and/or was *in combination* with the herbs having a 

stronger effect this way.



I'd really like any information anyone has.  I do like the DHEA effects 

but if cutting back means 1 period a month, I'll do it.



I wrote previously:

> Newsgroups:   

> X-Mailer:     Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit)

> 

> I've noticed my periods getting closer together since adding a vitex >dong quai mixture to the arsenal I take daily - I've been taking 50 mgs. of

> DHEA for several months previously and not noticing that effect.  Now, we

> all are different so it might just be me.  On the other hand it may be

> the *combination* that's doing it.  But yes, longer periods more

> frequently is what I've been experiencing since doing *both* the combo

> tinctures and the DHEA - while reducing Premarin at the same time.

> 

> So it's murky but a picture may be emerging here.

> 

> I'm not clear on what you mean, Catherine by "you can't do both".



DUH!!!  Now I'm getting it - my mind is not working very well.

  Also -

> what herbs do you recommend for energy and weight loss?  I'm really

> interested in both!! :-)

> 

> Until reading these two posts (didn't get the first one) I was pretty

> much figuring the dong quai was responsible for the heavier periods as

> I've read other meno women saying they didn't like this dong quai effect.

> 

> Hmmmm.

> 

> dn

> 

> tm@digital.net wrote:

> >In article <01bba264$210ab600$8b39e6cd@westowrld.com.westworld.com>,

> >"Ellen J. MacKay" <EMacKay@juno.com> wrote:

> 

> >> About 6 months ago I started taking vitex for menopause symptoms.  The

> >> symptoms subsided and all went back to normal.  After four months I started

> >> taking DHEA  and periods got closer together and heavier.  Could it be the

> >> two together?  I stopped taking them both, because I called my M.D. and she

> >> said "We don't really know what is in Vitex"( don't think she knows what

> >> Vitex is)  my symptoms  returned with a vengeance.  Two weeks later I

> >> started the vitex again and  am better.  I liked the DHEA because of the

> >> increase in energy and weight loss.  Can I take them both?

> >>

> >> Ellen

> >>

> >> EMacKay@juno.com

> 

> >Hi Ellen,

> >  keep taking the vitex since it helps you but look for an alternative for

> >the weight loss and energy there is plenty out there but don't get

> >synthetic stuff go for the natural herbs and teas that will blend well

> >with the vitex. You obviously can't take both look for an alternative read

> >herbals there are plenty of those out there and they all say something.

> 

> >Catherine

> 

> >--

> >Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

> >407-729-0104

> >tm@digital.net







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Zoloft, depression and

From: dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 02:55:00



Re: Re: Herbs for depression?

 

>         Isn't it with MAO  Inhibitors that they give you strict guidelines to

> follow, such as cheese products, wine, and smoked meats?   I would like to

> know for sure if SJW is really in this class because that will count me out. 

> I love my cheese and smoked chicken too much.  Beans too?  

>         Right now they have me taking Zoloft 250mg. and Lithium to *boost*

> the effects of the Zoloft.  I am not manic, just horribly  depressed and out

> of money.    



     Argh! Zoloft.. I remember taking that.. 250mg.?!?!?! I was on 50 mgs I

believe. That's quite a heavy dosage there.. AND Lithium?! Wow. I wish you

well. I suffered from depression [and it returns for a month or two now and

then] for about 3 years. I was put on Zoloft - and while it did lift my

depression somewhat, I felt like a robot.. I'm off of it now, and I'll never

take it again, not with the side effects it had - nor how 'speedy' it made me

feel.. I couldn't concentrate - but OH how fast I got things done! :)

     SJW has its faults. Awhile back I read about how long term use was

discouraged. I don't recall exactly why - but I recommend reading up on it in

several books, and visiting a N.D.



D`'

dol@alexus.cts.com  

Support KRUEL Maga'Zine



Silverlake Computer Services Public Access BBS - (619) 224-1264





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: L-Taurine, L-Glutamine, DL Phenylalanine

From: lpl@ultranet.com (Lisa Loiacono)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 00:33:59 GMT



These sound more like amino acids than herbs to me, so I apologize for

posting this question if this is not the correct forum, but don't know

where else to ask.



OK, Does anyone know what L-Taurine, L-Glutamine & DL Phenylalanine

are used for?  They were recommended  & I'm curious.



Any info at all will be appreciated.

Thanks!



lisa



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: L-Taurine, L-Glutamine, DL Phenylalanine

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 21:43:42 GMT



In article <323b4ef3.4794016@gateway>, lpl@ultranet.com (Lisa Loiacono) wrote:

>These sound more like amino acids than herbs to me, so I apologize for

>posting this question if this is not the correct forum, but don't know

>where else to ask.

>

>OK, Does anyone know what L-Taurine, L-Glutamine & DL Phenylalanine

>are used for?  They were recommended  & I'm curious.

>

>Any info at all will be appreciated.

>Thanks!

>

>lisa



Hello,

   Phenylalanine is a antidepressant and neurotransmitter.The body turns it 

into norepinephrine and dopamine.It is found in sesame seeds and pumpkin 

seeds,cottage cheese,and almonds.Do not use if pregnant or or if you have a 

skin malignancy.Also people with PKU (inherited disease) should not use this.

Do not use if you have high blood pressure.

   Taurine is aids fat digestion,hypoglycemia,hypertension and heart disorders 

and is a key component in bile.Vitamin B6 is necessary in adequate amounts for 

the body to produce enough taurine.

  Glutamine is helpful for alcoholism,epilepsy senility and various other 

mental or physiological brain disorders.Also can curb sugar cravings.

  Sorry don't knoew the dosage recommendations but if you supplement with 

amino acids,take them on an empty stomach.

Barbara  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: L-Taurine, L-Glutamine, DL Phenylalanine

From: ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:20:15 GMT



lpl@ultranet.com (Lisa Loiacono) wrote:



>These sound more like amino acids than herbs to me, so I apologize for

>posting this question if this is not the correct forum, but don't know

>where else to ask.



>OK, Does anyone know what L-Taurine, L-Glutamine & DL Phenylalanine

>are used for?  They were recommended  & I'm curious.



>Any info at all will be appreciated.

>Thanks!



>lisa

hi lisa 

taurine is used for epilepsy, heart failure, gallbaldder disease,

trysomy21, diabetes, anxiety, valvular heart disease, high blood

pressure, hyperthyroidism, alcohol withdrawl, hepatitis, jaundice,

pregnancy, vegans, formula fed babies, sperm motility, and retinitis

pigmentosa

it facillitatesa the passage of sodium, magnesium potassium and

calcium in and out of cells.

it regulates the amount of sodium and potassium in the cells and is

tied up with nerve stimulation .

it stimulates growth hormone synthesis, involved in bile synthesis,

and regulates immunity among other things.





glutamine is used for;

behavioural problems, autism, alcoholism, senility, epilepsy, ulcers,

depression, hypertension, bone formation, poor concentration, ageing,

improving IQ

it is involved in synthesis of dna, it is an excitatory

neurotransmitter and also a precursor to a neuroinhibitory

neurotransmitter, it is involved in detoxification of ammonia,

calcification of bone,  forms part of the glucose tolerance factor,

and is involved in a number of biochemical reactions in the body.





phenylalanine is used for kidney failure, ob3esity, appetite control,

depression, poor libido, memory loss,  D-isomer relieves chronic pain,

and can be used in alcohol withdrawl.

it leads to the synthesis of dopamine, norepinephrine, thyroxin and

melanin. it stimulates the release of cholecystokinin (part of the

bodys natural painkiller)



i hope this helps



ashryn







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Vertigo

From: mara@ix.netcom.com (Mara)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 02:54:49 GMT



Any suggestions for using herbs to deal with vertigo?



mara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: mara@ix.netcom.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vertigo

From: Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:44:15 GMT



mara@ix.netcom.com (Mara) wrote:

>Any suggestions for using herbs to deal with vertigo?



I don't know of any herbs that are specific for this.  I would

make sure it's not Meniere's Syndrome or some other medical condition. 

 



My husband has Meniere's and found that regular md's were no help

whatsoever, but a good homeopath was great!  Hasn't had an episode

since!  What are the circumstances that surroud your vertigo episodes?



Some people find coffee, chocolate, nicotine and/or alcohol trigger

Meniere's, even after years of use with no trouble whatsoever.

--

Morning Glory (who's middle name is Mara :)







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pau d' Arco & Prostate Cancer

From: mpappas@primenet.com

Date: 15 Sep 1996 08:56:01 -0700



Is there any information regarding Pau d' Arco Bark as a treatment for

cancer, specifically prostate cancer?  Also, are there any other

herbal treatments considered to be effective against prostate cancer?







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: mpappas@primenet.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pau d' Arco & Prostate Cancer

From: Esta M Weiss <weiss@U.Arizona.EDU>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:04:53 -0700



According to my referances..they are

anise..black chohosh..chickweed..fennel..ginseng

goto kola.. white oak bark..pau de arco as mentioned.... 

note: avoid coffee and other caffines.



On 15 Sep 1996 mpappas@primenet.com wrote:



> Is there any information regarding Pau d' Arco Bark as a treatment for

> cancer, specifically prostate cancer?  Also, are there any other

> herbal treatments considered to be effective against prostate cancer?



----------------------

Esta M Weiss..:)

weiss@U.Arizona.EDU

http://u.arizona.edu/~weiss

Blessed Be to all..





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sarcoma Cancer

From: Michael Belcastro <smb@mergetel.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:34:17 -0400



I am looking for any kind of herb that will help with Sarcoma tumors my

dad has in his lungs. Does anybody have any ideas?

Thanks

Mike

-- 

   ***********************************************                       

            

                MICHAEL BELCASTRO HOMEPAGE

          http://www.inett.com/seaway/mikeyb.html

                                

    ************************************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sarcoma Cancer

From: RBHOGGAN@CBE.AB.CA (Ron Hoggan)

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:32:34 GMT



On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, Michael Belcastro <smb@mergetel.com> wrote:



>I am looking for any kind of herb that will help with Sarcoma tumors my

>dad has in his lungs. Does anybody have any ideas?



Hi Mike,

I don't have a herb that will help. I do have a netfriend who will attach 

a copy of a paper I have written on lymphoma. I have done no reading 

about sarcoma, but I am assuming that a gluten and casein-free diet would 

give you the same upregulation of natural killer cell production. I don't 

really know. Read the paper and form your own conclusions. I believe that 

the gluten/casein induced downregulation may be at the root of many 

cancers. we do have immune systems that should be able to handle 

malignant cells before they multiply into tumours.



Best Wishes, 

Ron Hoggan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:Calcium

From: aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Gale McCready)

Date: 16 Sep 1996 03:35:43 GMT



I am taking a calcium supplement, I have heard some calcium is harder for 

the body to absord than other.



So my questio is what is the best kind of calcium suppliment to take.





Gale





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:Calcium

From: bidinotto.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (vipor)

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:02:10 GMT



In article <51ihuf$ge6@tribune.usask.ca> aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Gale McCready) writes:

>From: aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Gale McCready)

>Subject: Re:Calcium

>Date: 16 Sep 1996 03:35:43 GMT



>I am taking a calcium supplement, I have heard some calcium is harder for 

>the body to absord than other.



>So my questio is what is the best kind of calcium suppliment to take.





>Gale



Gale,



Calcium carbonate is the form that is most elemental calcium but requires an 

acidic environment.  Calcium citrate is next in line and does not require an 

acidic environment.  The citrate form usually is associated with more side 

effects:  diarrhea, ....  I personally would use tums or os-cal.  Take in 1000 

mg to 1200 mg a day.



vipor



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.support.headaches.migraine,alt.my.head.hurts,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.chronic-pain,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.food-allergies,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.psychobiology,sci.psychology.psychotherapy,alt.answers,misc.answers,sci.answers,news.answers

Subject: Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ

From: an588@freenet.carleton.ca (Catherine Woodgold)

Date: 16 Sep 1996 08:34:39 GMT



Archive-name: medicine/migraine/natural-cures

Posting-Frequency: Every 27 days

Last-modified: 1996/09/06

Version: 1.0





Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ





 (1) Introduction

 (2) For Immediate Relief 

 (3) Definition of Migraines

 (4) Chiropractic treatment

 (5) Biofeedback

     (5.1) Theory of biofeedback

     (5.2) Handwarming biofeedback

     (5.3) Other biofeedback

 (6) Nutritional Treatments

     (6.1) Food Sensitivity

     (6.2) Blood Sugar

     (6.3) Not Overusing Salt

     (6.4) Nutritional Supplements

     (6.5) Herbs

 (7) Psychology

 (8) Sex hormones

 (9) Books of interest

 (10) About the author of this FAQ

 (11) Disclaimer





(1) Introduction



This Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ attempts to summarize all

non-medical treatments that help prevent or cure migraine

headaches.  Most treatments mentioned here have worked for many

people, and usually have a theoretical basis as well.  Please

send me additional information you think should be included here,

to help make this FAQ complete, accurate and useful, within its

narrow focus.  Information about acupuncture would be a welcome

addition.  More information about herbs would be good.  Please

don't send me information about drugs; they are beyond the scope

of this FAQ. 



There is another FAQ, maintained by someone else, associated

with the newsgroup alt.support.headaches.migraine.  You may want

to read it, too. 

 

Natural treatments are usually harmless (as opposed to drugs,

which usually have side effects).  Therefore, depending on cost

and convenience, it can make sense to continue a natural

treatment even if you're not sure whether it's doing any good. 

It often makes sense to apply several natural treatments at the

same time.  If one treatment reduces the number of headaches or

the amount of pain, then several treatments used at once may

completely or almost completely eliminate them. 

 

Different things work for different people.  Some of the

treatments mentioned here may actually increase headache pain for

some people.  Some may have no effect on some people.  You may

decide to try several things and choose the ones that help you. 

 

Note the disclaimer at the end of the FAQ. 

 

 

 

(2) For Immediate Relief

 

 

Most of the treatments in this FAQ are used to prevent migraines

from happening.  This section describes things you can do when

you're in pain, to reduce the pain. 

 

 -- Have a bath or shower.

 -- Lie down to rest in a dark room.

 -- Avoid bright or flashing light.

 -- Put something cold on the back of your neck, such as

     a cold, wet cloth. 

 -- Have a drink of water or natural juice.

 -- Eat a bananna or drink tomatoe juice;  they contain something

     that can help.   (serotonin?? potassium?? Somebody please

	 supply this information.)

 -- Have some food, or a nutritious drink, if you

     haven't eaten for a while. 

 -- Massage your own face, head, neck and shoulders, or get someone

     else to do those and your back.  Relax your muscles. 

 -- Press on two pressure points at the back of the neck.  These

     points are about two inches apart, just below the base of

     the skull.  Press for a minute or two.  This releases

     endorphins that help against pain. 

 -- Avoid sources of stress.  Cancel activities so there's less

     to worry about. 

 -- Avoid exercise during a headache if it makes throbbing pain

     in the head and neck worse.  On

     the other hand, generally exercise improves health, and

     it may help you relax during a headache. 

 -- Take some niacin (a form of vitamin B3).  Taking enough 

     niacin to cause a flush (blood rushing to the skin) can

     provide relief from headache pain, but this much niacin

     can also have side effects (flush, nausea, heartburn,

     liver damage, etc.) Niacinamide doesn't have such bad

     side effects, but isn't as much use against migraines, either. 

     Smaller, safer amounts of niacin are also helpful. 

 -- Take some vitamin C, vitamin B6, choline, tryptophan and niacin.

 

(3) Definition of Migraines

 

The word "migraine" comes from words meaning "half the head",

and sounds like "demi-cranium", because migraine headaches often

hurt on only the left or right side of the head.  However, many

people with migraines always have pain on the whole head. 

 

A migraine headache is caused by hormonal fluctuations which

cause blood vessels in the head and neck to contract and then

dilate.  The first phase, or contraction phase, may last minutes,

hours, or days.  During this phase, symptoms can be spots in

front of the eyes, difficulty concentrating, and cold fingertips

and hands.  This is called an "aura".  Many people recognize this

phase of their headaches; many others don't notice any symptoms

at this time.  Some people who think they don't have an "aura"

can learn to recognize it. 

 

When the blood vessels dilate, the headache pain starts. 

Apparently the hormones over-react.  Instead of just going from a

contracted state back to normal, the blood vessels dilate much

wider than normal, causing pain.  Other things also happen about

the same time: swelling of the brain, release of certain

chemicals, and perhaps muscle tension.  These things add to the

pain. 

 

There are a number of different processes that can cause the

interplay of hormones leading to contracted and then over-dilated

blood vessels.  It's not always the same hormones that are

involved.  Some of the natural treatments listed here focus on a

single process.  Different things work for different people. 

Some people may need to use several treatments at the same time. 

Some people who think they have "tension headaches" are actually

helped by migraine treatments.  Many headaches are probably a

combination of muscle tension and migraine. 

 

(4) Chiropractic treatment

 

Sometimes the bones in the neck are in the wrong place, and the

little muscles near the bones are tense.  This is called

"subluxation".  It's like having a crick in your neck.  The

nerves that lead out from the spine can be irritated when there

is a subluxation.  This can cause migraines.  The bones are very

close to being in the right place, so a medical doctor might say

they are in the right place.  A chiropractor treats people by

gently pushing the bones back into place. 

 

Stress on any part of the spine, as from lifting heavy objects

or sitting in a twisted position, can cause subluxations in the

neck, leading to migraine. 

 

Some relief from migraine can be obtained by doing slow, gentle

stretching exercises of the neck.  (Rolling motions or sudden

motions are not recommended.) Avoid sitting for a long time with

the head leaning forward, straining the neck.  Avoid lying on

your back with your head raised on a pillow.  Lying on your back

is OK with no pillow, or with a pillow that supports the neck but

doesn't raise the head much.  When lying on your side, a pillow

should support the head and neck.  When sitting, for example at

the computer, change position frequently and check for things

like tension in the shoulders from supporting the arms. 

 

Chiropractors usually ask their patients to be x-rayed on the

first visit.  If you want to avoid the damage of x-rays, you can

ask your chiropractor to treat you without doing an x-ray.  They

can do this; they do it for pregnant women all the time. 

Chiropractors usually do other simple tests at each visit to

assess exactly what the person needs at that time. 

 

(5) Biofeedback

 

(5.1) Theory of biofeedback

 

With biofeedback, a person learns to control a body function

which was not under direct conscious control, but was indirectly

under conscious control. 

 

Here is an example to explain what is meant by a body function

under indirect conscious control.  Generally speaking, a person

can't decide to do the following: "I'll flip a coin, and if it

comes up heads, I'll immediately make my heart beat faster, even

though I'll still be sitting down." However, a person can decide,

"If the coin comes up heads, then I'll put up my hand to ask a

question in front of this roomful of people, which I'm nervous

about doing." As soon as the person sees the coin come up heads,

their heart starts to pound because of their nervousness.  Yet

all that happened was that they made a decision and then flipped

a coin.  Thus, their conscious thoughts affected the heartrate. 

In this way, heartrate is indirectly under conscious control. 

 

Body functions such as muscle tension, finger temperature, and

levels of some hormones in the blood (such as adrenalin in the

above example) are under indirect conscious control.  Some of

these functions are involved in headaches. 

 

Biofeedback means making information about one's body available

to the conscious mind.  Devices which measure muscle tension,

finger temperature etc.  and which supply that information to the

person are biofeedback devices. 

 

Gradually, a person learns the semi-conscious thought patterns

that make the device show the desired result, such as warm

fingers.  It's like learning to ride a bicycle.  Once the skill

has been learned, the person can use it at any time, without

needing the biofeedback device.  For example, a person who has

gone through many learning sessions with a thermometer and has

learned to warm their fingers can then warm their fingers after

that without using a thermometer. 

 

(5.2) Handwarming biofeedback

 

Phase I of a migraine is similar to what the body does in

response to fear, though the reaction may have been caused by a

food the person ate rather than by actual fear.  In phase I,

blood is reallocated out of the hands and head and into the large

muscles that would be used for running from danger.  The hands,

especially the fingertips, become cold when the blood is

withdrawn.  The feeling of confusion, or inability to think

clearly, that can accompany phase I is similar to fainting from

fear. 

 

The pain occurs in phase II, when the blood vessels of the head

and neck over-react and re-expand to larger than the normal size. 

The headache can be prevented by reducing the severity of phase

I, thus preventing phase II. 

 

The level of the hormones in the blood that contract the blood

vessels, such as serotonin and adrenalin, can be brought under

semi-conscious control.  By thinking relaxed thoughts, the

hormone level can be lowered.  The serotonin level is monitored

by checking the temperature of the fingertips and hands.  During

phase I, first the fingertips and then the hands become cold. 

The finger temperature can be checked either with a thermometer,

or by touching the fingertips to your cheeks.  If they feel warm

or hot, that's good.  They should at body temperature.  If

they're cool or cold, it could be either from being in a cold

room, from poor blood circulation due to diabetes or some other

condition, or from a phase I reaction. 

 

After many attempts of trying to think relaxed thoughts and

checking the finger temperature, a person gradually learns how to

get into the right frame of mind to affect the serotonin levels. 

Eventually, a person can decide to warm up the fingers, meditate

for a while, and the fingers become warm.  Under a lot of stress,

for example if you're about to speak in front of an audience, it

may be impossible to warm the fingers at that time, though

attempting it may reduce the severity of a migraine later.  For

learning, it's best to use a low-stress situation such as sitting

at home. 

 

It normally requires trying several times a day for several

weeks before much progress is made.  It helps to keep records of

the finger temperature before and after attempting biofeedback. 

 

A person who has learned biofeedback can become aware of their

finger temperature so that they notice when their hands suddenly

become cold.  They can then take a break from stressful

activities, relax until their hands warm up, and prevent a

headache from happening.  The feeling of confusion and stress

that usually accompanies phase I can mean that you tend not to

notice things like finger temperature at that time -- you're too

busy thinking about whatever is causing the stress -- but

eventually you can learn to notice it. 

 

See Kohlenberg's book [5], which comes with a thermometer, for

more information. 

 

(5.3) Other Biofeedback

 

Biofeedback devices can be used to monitor the tenseness of

muscles in the forehead, the amount of sweat on the fingers, and

other things.  The person spends time learning to make the

muscles relaxed, the fingers dry, etc.  These forms of

biofeedback can help with headaches.  A migraine usually involves

some muscle tension in the head which adds to the pain. 

 

(6) Nutritional Treatments

 (6.1) Food Sensitivity

 

Many books agree that chocolate is the most likely food to

cause migraines.  Other foods which can cause migraines include

avocadoes, pineapples, beans, peas, lentils, MSG, pork, shrimp,

pickled herring, alcohol, caffeine, cheese, and coconut. 

 

The caffeine in chocolate is not the main reason chocolate

causes migraines.  There's a group of substances called amines,

common in food, which are the main food trigger of migraines. 

There are different amines in different foods.  The one in

chocolate is the worst.  The one in cheese is called tyramine and

is next worst.  Hanington's book [3] describes an experiment in

which it was shown that tyramine can cause migraines.  Migraine

people have less monoamine oxidase (MAO), the enzyme in platelets

that breaks down amines. 

 

The amount of tyramine in cheese varies tremendously by type and

even batch of cheese.  Milk is OK, since the tyramine is produced

in the cheesemaking process by microorganisms.  Other amines are

found in other types of food.  The reaction to amines is not an

allergy.  The amines cause certain hormones to be released in the

body.  Different amines may cause migraines in different people. 

 

Each person needs to experiment to figure out which foods give

them migraines.  This is not always easy to do.  A food might not

cause a migraine every time it is eaten; perhaps only when

another cause of migraines happens at the same time. 

 

It's better to go on a very restricted diet for a while, a week

or a month, say, than to experiment by eliminating just one

suspicious food at a time.  To illustrate this, suppose you have

a list of 20 suspicious foods, and that by eliminating 5 of them

you can cut your headaches in half, from 10 a month down to 5 ... 

but you don't know that, and you don't know which 5 foods are the

bad ones.  If you spend 20 months, eating everything except one

food each month, you will learn nothing.  You will still have

about 10 headaches a month.  Some months you'll have about 9

instead of 10, but that's not enough to notice a difference: you

probably vary from 8 to 12 headaches a month anyway.  However, if

you stop eating all 20 foods for a month, you'll notice something

interesting: you'll have only 5 headaches instead of 10.  You can

then gradually re-introduce the suspicious foods.  Now that you

have fewer headaches, you'll notice it if you have a headache a

few hours after eating a suspicious food.  Make sure your

restricted diet contains all the vitamins and other essential

nutrients. 

 

If you combine advice from several books, there will be nothing

left to eat! I recommend the restricted diet suggested by

Brainard [1] as a starting point for experimentation.  When I

followed this diet, my migraines diminished significantly, and

over the following weeks, months, and years I gradually tested

and re-introduced to my diet most of the disallowed foods.  Some

I went on and off several times to test for subtle effects. 

 

(6.2) Blood Sugar

 

Recent studies [Low, 6] show that when a migraine person eats

refined sugar, their blood sugar level goes up very high, then

quickly comes down again.  Any kind of refined sugar causes this

effect: sucrose, glucose, etc.  The blood sugar level goes up and

down so fast that a standard glucose tolerance test with blood

samples taken less often than every 15 minutes can completely

miss the effect.  Many migraine people have been told they're

very normal after a glucose tolerance test, but in fact they have

a condition similar to hypoglycemia. 

 

Natural sugars, such as fruit, completely unprocessed sugar cane

juice, etc.  do not cause this effect.  Eating natural sugar

causes the blood sugar level to go up, but not very high, and it

doesn't come down so fast.  There's something in natural sugar

that helps the body absorb it.  Glucose Tolerance Factor (GTF), a

molecule containing chromium, may be responsible.  Chromium is

usually present with natural sugars, and is missing in refined

sugar.  It works with insulin to help the body process sugar. 

Chromium must be in a bioavailable form such as GTF or chromium

picolinate.  However, there may be other factors present in

natural sugars, such as vitamins, enzymes, etc., that are also

important. 

 

When refined sugar is eaten, the pancreas releases a lot of

insulin.  For some reason, people who get migraines release more

than the normal amount of insulin.  Insulin stimulates the

release of adrenalin.  This starts phase I of a migraine. 

 

Going without eating for 3 to 4 or more hours causes low blood

sugar levels which can also trigger a migraine. 

 

In his book [6] Rodolfo Low recommends the following for all

migraine people.  He claims that every person who has followed

these recommendations, including himself, has completely

eliminated migraines:

 

 -- Do not eat any refined sugar.  Not even small amounts.  Fruit

   should be fresh, not dried or cooked.  Eat a wholesome balanced

   diet of natural foods including fruit.

 -- Eat every three hours.  Have six small meals a day instead of

   three.  Have snacks of healthy foods at midmorning, midafter-

   noon, and bedtime.

 -- Avoid drinking alcohol.

 -- Avoid drugs that stimulate the pancreas.  Many drugs taken for 

   other purposes also stimulate the pancreas, e.g. aspirin.  See 

   the book [6] for a list of drugs to avoid.

 

[Above recommendations paraphrased by C.W.]

 

Many people are deficient in chromium.  Eating refined sugars

leads to chromium deficiency.  A supplement of GTF chromium or

chromium picolinate is helpful to hypoglycemic people and can

allow them to maintain good blood sugar levels when going several

hours without eating.  Low has shown that migraines are closely

related to hypoglycemia, so perhaps chromium supplements would

help migraine people too.  I used to get a headache if I went 4

or 5 hours without eating; with a chromium supplement (200

mcg/day, not a megadose) this is no longer the case. 

 

(6.3) Salt

 

A normal person who eats a very large amount of salt will get a

headache.  Brainard [1] claims that for people who get migraines,

a small amount of salt can have the same effect.  He describes

the hormonal processes that occur when salt is eaten. 

 

Everyone needs some salt (sodium chloride) in order to live. 

Natural foods generally contain some salt.  Processed foods often

have too much added salt. 

 

Brainard recommends:

 

 -- Moderate amounts of salt with meals are OK.

 -- No large amounts of salt with meals.

 -- No salt at all between meals;  not even a salted cracker or a

   cookie cooked with the usual large amount of salt.

 -- Avoid soups;  these often contain large amounts of added salt.

 

[Above recommendations paraphrased by C.W.]



During a migraine, a person makes more urine than usual.  One

has to drink more in order to make up for the missing water and

avoid getting dehydrated.  Drink if you're thirsty. 

 

(6.4) Nutritional Supplements

 

There are many vitamins and other essential nutrients which can

have an effect on the complex hormonal processes that cause

migraines. 

 

The following supplements, taken regularly, can help:

 

 -- vitamin C

 -- vitamin B6

 -- niacin (see side effect warning under section 2)

 -- choline 

 -- tryptophan

 -- omega-3 essential fatty acids, e.g. unrefined, cold-pressed,

    uncooked flax seed oil

 -- chromium?  (See section 6.2.)

 -- magnesium;  as much magnesium as you take calcium

    (magnesium deficiency can also cause a craving for chocolate.)

 

(6.5) Herbs

 

Feverfew helps many migraine sufferers.  It's claimed by some to

be best to eat fresh leaves, one small leaf per day.  It should 

be taken regularly.  I think it has some side effects, including 

possibly a sore mouth; I'm not sure. 

 

Reishi is also said to help against migraines. 



[Please send me information to expand this section.]

 

 

(7) Psychology

 

People often think thoughts that are just a little frightening. 

When normal people think these thoughts, nothing much happens. 

But migraine people have over-reactive hormone systems, and

adrenalin and other hormones are released along with just

slightly scary thoughts.  A migraine person may not feel scared

at all, may claim to be relaxed, but at the same time may be

showing the physical symptoms of fear.  These symptoms may be

partly resulting from various chemical processes such as the

foods the person ate.  However, they are also the result of

thoughts. 

 

The scary thoughts that bring on phase I of a migraine are

usually semi-conscious ...  just outside the range of conscious

thinking.  For instance, a migraine person may look at a report

they're writing at work and consciously think, "I don't think

this is good enough." But at the same time, in a semi-conscious

way, the following thoughts flit rapidly through the mind: "And

my boss may not like it.  And I could lose my job.  And I might

not be able to get another job.  And I wouldn't be able to buy

food.  So I would starve." These thoughts go by so fast it's hard

to pin them down.  But they're real, and are accompanied by cold

fingers and other symptoms of phase I of a migraine.  The person

might not notice the symptoms.  Later, when they have a headache,

they might not realize they had been under stress.  "I was just

quietly working in my office, writing a report."

 

It helps to write down such thoughts.  Kohlenberg [5] recommends

writing the thoughts down in the form of a proof that either

there's a threat to one's life or health, or that a law of nature

has been broken, i.e.  that something "should" be happening and

isn't.  Writing the thoughts out slows them down so that they

come under conscious scrutiny and control.  Then, on another part

of the page, write down arguments against each point.  "My boss

usually likes my reports.  I'm very unlikely to lose my job.  If

I do lose it, I'll probably find another one.  Even if I don't,

I'll go on welfare and won't starve."

 

It helps to avoid thoughts with words like "should" and "ought"

in them.  Instead of thinking, "I should wash the dishes now,"

think "I want to wash the dishes now." One good way to eliminate

a "should" thought is to start doing the thing.  If you don't

want to, there's probably a good reason not to.  Then, instead of

thinking, "I should ...", think, "I decided not to...  because

...".  Accept that every decision has both good and bad results. 

 

It's useful to combine this technique with biofeedback.  See

Kohlenberg's book for both. 

 

(8) Sex hormones

 

Apparently sex hormones are among the hormones that can be

involved in migraines.  For both men and women, it's common for

migraines to begin around puberty.  [6].  Women often notice

headaches corresponding to certain times of the menstrual cycle. 

Menopause can mean fewer or no headaches for some lucky women

(or the onset of migraines for others).  Nutritional treatments 

can help reduce symptoms of pre-menstrual syndrome (PMS), including 

headaches.  ([7],[8]).

 

It's normal during breastfeeding for a woman to have no

menstrual periods for a time which can be 3 months, 2 years or

more, averaging about 14 months. [4]  For some, this is a welcome

rest from a range of symptoms which can include PMS and

headaches.  Unfortunately, breastfeeding is often disrupted,

resulting in increased health risks to both mother and baby. 

This includes the inconvenience of early return of menstrual

cycles, along with the familiar accompanying symptoms.  The

return of menstruation is an individual thing;  a slight

reduction of nursing may bring it on in one woman, while another

may be nursing only a few (e.g. 4) times a day and still not 

menstruate.  Early return of menstruation can be caused by:

 

(Things to avoid, if you don't want to start menstruating soon:)

 -- early weaning

 -- use of bottles or pacifiers

 -- mother-baby separations, e.g. use of babysitters

 -- other foods given to baby before about 6 months of age

 -- encouraging baby to "sleep through the night"

 -- limiting breastfeeding, based on clocks and calendars

 

Speculation: It is known that pollutants such as pesticides,

PCB's and biproducts of chlorine bleaching can act as hormone

mimics, disrupting the development of animals and humans. 

Chemicals which mimic estrogen have been most extensively

studied, but pollutants mimic other hormones as well.  [2]

Hormones are involved in migraines.  Are migraines more common

these days than they used to be? Could migraines sometimes be

partly caused by hormone-disrupting pollutants?

 

(9) Books of interest

 

[1] Brainard, John B., 1979.  Control of Migraine.  W.W.  Norton

& Co., New York -- London. 

 

[2] Colborn, Theo, Dianne Dumanoski, and John Peterson Myers,

1996.  Our Stolen Future.  Penguin Books, New York, NY. 

 

[3] Hanington, Edda, MD MRCP, 1980.  The Headache Book. 

Technomic, Westport CT. 

 

[4] Kippley, Sheila.  Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing. 

 

[5] Kohlenberg, R.J.  Migraine Relief: A Personal Treatment

Program

 

[6] Low, Rodolfo, 1987.  Migraine: The Breakthrough Study That

Explains What Causes It and How it Can Be Completely Prevented

Through Diet.  Henry Holt & Co.  Inc.  New York NY. 

 

[7] Nazzarro, Dr.  Ann, and Dr.  Donald Lombard, with Dr.  David

Horrobin, 1985.  The PMS Solution: Premenstrual Syndrome: The

Nutritional Approach.  Eden Press, Montreal -- London. 



[8] Shannon, M.  Fertility, Cycles and Nutrition.

 

(10) About the author of this FAQ

 

I've had migraines since about age 16.  For long periods I had

mild headaches every day and often worse ones.  Using some of the

natural treatments listed here, I've mostly eliminated them. 

 

I'm interested in many things.  Professionally, I'm a

seismologist.  I also like reading about nutrition,

breastfeeding, non-violence, barter, evolution, mathematics,

auto-free living, midwifery, effective communication of emotions,

alternative medicine, and natural family planning.  See a web

page on natural family planning, co-authored by me, at

http://www.usc.edu/hsc/info/newman/resources/primer.html. 

 

Please send me any comments and suggested additions at

an588@freenet.carleton.ca. 

 

Cathy Woodgold

 

 

(11) Disclaimer

 

This information about natural migraine treatments, collected

from various sources, is provided for your convenience.  Though

effort has been made to make it accurate, it may contain errors,

omissions or inaccuracies.  It is hoped that readers will supply

information to help improve the FAQ.  It is not to be considered

to be medical advice.  Different things work for different

people.  Some of the suggestions here may actually increase

headache pain for some people, or cause other problems.  If you

decide to use any of the treatments mentioned here, you are

responsible for that decision and for any effects that occur. 

You may collect information from other sources, if you wish,

before beginning to use the treatments mentioned here.  Some

headaches are caused by other serious problems requiring other

treatment; this FAQ only discusses migraines.  If the author

knows of serious safety problems, they will probably be mentioned

here, but absence of specific warnings does not constitute a

statement or guarantee that the treatments are safe.  Any

nutritional supplement can be harmful in very large amounts. 

This FAQ is provided with no warranty of any kind.  Life is full

of unknowns. 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.diseases.cancer

Subject: RECIPE FOR ESSIAC!!!

From: Greenrey <greenrey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 02:57:55 -0700



Dear Readers,



A brief summary of the recent history of ESSIAC, the story of how my

mother successfully used it to beat systemic cancer, and the recipe for

ESSIAC that she used (along with directions) are available to all who are

interested on my homepage. The URL is:



http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1982/index.html



Best Wishes,



Greenrey

-- 

"Every individual is responsible for his or her actions,

    thoughts, words and deeds.

 In the United States, unfortunately, we seldom

    seem to grasp this concept;

 as a result, we have created a 'blameless society,'

    always pointing the finger elsewhere.

 If our citizenry continues to neglect said responsibility,

    'the greatest nation' is doomed to crumble."

                               --Greenrey

The time is NOW!  Do your part.

greenrey@worldnet.att.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.diseases.cancer

Subject: Re: RECIPE FOR ESSIAC!!!

From: bersvendsen@nsd.uib.no (Yngve Bersvendsen)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:09:08 +1000



In article <323D24A3.38DD@worldnet.att.net> Greenrey <greenrey@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>From: Greenrey <greenrey@worldnet.att.net>

>Subject: RECIPE FOR ESSIAC!!!

>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 02:57:55 -0700



>Dear Readers,



>A brief summary of the recent history of ESSIAC, the story of how my

>mother successfully used it to beat systemic cancer, and the recipe for

>ESSIAC that she used (along with directions) are available to all who are

>interested on my homepage. The URL is:



>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1982/index.html



>Best Wishes,



>Greenrey

>-- 

>"Every individual is responsible for his or her actions,

>    thoughts, words and deeds.

> In the United States, unfortunately, we seldom

>    seem to grasp this concept;

> as a result, we have created a 'blameless society,'

>    always pointing the finger elsewhere.

> If our citizenry continues to neglect said responsibility,

>    'the greatest nation' is doomed to crumble."

>                               --Greenrey

>The time is NOW!  Do your part.

>greenrey@worldnet.att.net





Hi !

My name is Hkon Ersland, and I live in Bergen, Norway.

I want to try the ESSIAC TEA for my mother who has cancer. I  have found a lot 

of information about the tea, and the ingredients too, and I wonder if anybody 

could give me the latin (or norwegian) words for the following ingredients:



	- Burdock root

	- Sheep sorrel

 	- Slippery elm

	- Turkey (Turkish) rhubarb (or Indian rhubarb)



It will then be easier for my local herbal or health food store to help me .



Thanks !



Regards,



Hkon 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.diseases.cancer

Subject: Re: RECIPE FOR ESSIAC!!!

From: "Shanta McBain" <smcbain@junction.net>

Date: 27 Sep 1996 01:13:30 GMT







Yngve Bersvendsen <bersvendsen@nsd.uib.no> wrote in article

<bersvendsen.94.0FB4F9FD@nsd.uib.no>...

> In article <323D24A3.38DD@worldnet.att.net> Greenrey

<greenrey@worldnet.att.net> writes:

> >From: Greenrey <greenrey@worldnet.att.net>

> >Subject: RECIPE FOR ESSIAC!!!

> >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 02:57:55 -0700

> 

> >Dear Readers,

> 

> >A brief summary of the recent history of ESSIAC, the story of how my

> >mother successfully used it to beat systemic cancer, and the recipe for

> >ESSIAC that she used (along with directions) are available to all who

are

> >interested on my homepage. The URL is:



> 	- Burdock root (Artium lappa)

> 	- Sheep sorrel (Rumex acetosella)

>  	- Slippery elm (Ulmus flava)

> 	- Turkey (Turkish) rhubarb (or Indian rhubarb) (Rheum officinale)

> 

> It will then be easier for my local herbal or health food store to help

me .









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hair Loss from Lithium

From: rpolte@ao.net (R Polte)

Date: 16 Sep 1996 10:27:55 GMT



I am completely ignorant of the ways natural supplements affect the body.

I am now taking Lithium and it is working, however, my hair is falling

out at an alarming rate.  Is there anything out there that might help?

Thanks for any answers.



Sherry



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic and pregnancy

From: dbbowden@dur.mindspring.com (David B. Bowden)

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:46:01 GMT



When I was pregnant, Garlic absolutely turned my stomach, though I

normally eat a whole lot of it.  I did find Cayenne pepper on my food

(as much as you can stand- you will build up a tolerance) or in pill

form (drink a whole lot of water to calm the warming feeling in your

chest) helped enormously with morning sickness and fatigue.  I did not

look this up for safety, but it didn't seem to hurt.  It does

oxygenate your blood and will raise your energy level, but I didn't

have any problems from this.  You might want to check it out before

you try it though...  I was warned that if I ate spicy food, I would

have a baby with a bad temper (or red hair!) but neither happened and

we are both fine.



sleipnir@northernnet.com (JL) wrote:



>Anyone know if there are any adverse side effects to taking garlic

>pills during pregnancy??





>--Jenny

>******************************************************

>"I stopped playing Magic: The Gathering(tm) when

>a booster pack started costing more than a good book."









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema

From: dbbowden@dur.mindspring.com (David B. Bowden)

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:46:04 GMT



How much of this is safe for a 10 month old baby?  He has terrible

eczema on his face, arms and legs.  It comes and goes, but gets

infected and he is on steroids and antibiotics a lot.



I read about using a paste of ground oatmeal and chamomile infusion

(for a child) but have not tried this.  Has anyone had any success

with any of this for a small child?





turf@mindspring.com (turf) wrote:



>In article <DwHwFp.B25@rci.ripco.com>, lnrplxus@ripco.com says...



>>A highly recommended herb for exzema (hope this isn't a repeat)

>>is drinking red clover tops. 



>Good point.  Also, burdock and other blood cleansers will help,

>especially while taking the antiparasitics, else the problem

>will usually get worse before it gets better.  



>Someone asked me the other day what topical works best for eczema.  

>I had never thought of this problem before, since I am usually adverse

>to palliative measures, but I guess it would be

>good to recommend a topical if one wants one before they are

>cured by taking antiparasitics.  The best at preventing 

>discomfort are prescription ones from your physician, but 

>neem oil will help as well.



>turf









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: dbbowden@dur.mindspring.com

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema

From: Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:58:09 GMT



A friend of mine whose daughter had bad exzema suggests Golden Healing 

Salve for topical use. It contains Goldenseal, Comfrey leaf and root, 

Propolis, Calendula, and Vitamin E in an olive oil and beeswax base.  

She also highly recommends continuing to breastfeed for at least two

years (relactation is possible if she is no longer breastfeeding).  

Her daughter had horrible exzema for the first year and a half.  Now at

three years she has beautiful skin with only an occaisional mild

outbreak.  If you can't find it, call (800)443-9942 (Cascade HealthCare

Products).  The large (1 oz) is $4.50, product #7357, but their shipping

is kind of high. My friend says it's worth it's weight in gold! I use

it when my very fair daughter used to get bad diaper rash, and it was

GREAT!



For a 10 month old baby I would start out small with one oz or two

of red clover top tea and see how he reacts after a couple weeks and

gradually increase it up to maybe four ounces with no reaction.



Also take a look at his diet.  Kids with exzema often have food 

allergies -- especially dairy!

--

Morning Glory

==============================================================

dbbowden@dur.mindspring.com (David B. Bowden) wrote:

>How much of this is safe for a 10 month old baby?  He has terrible

>eczema on his face, arms and legs.  It comes and goes, but gets

>infected and he is on steroids and antibiotics a lot.



>I read about using a paste of ground oatmeal and chamomile infusion

>(for a child) but have not tried this.  Has anyone had any success

>with any of this for a small child?

>

>

>turf@mindspring.com (turf) wrote:

>

>>In article <DwHwFp.B25@rci.ripco.com>, lnrplxus@ripco.com says...

>

>>>A highly recommended herb for exzema (hope this isn't a repeat)

>>>is drinking red clover tops. 



>>Good point.  Also, burdock and other blood cleansers will help,

>>especially while taking the antiparasitics, else the problem

>>will usually get worse before it gets better.  



>>Someone asked me the other day what topical works best for eczema.  

>>I had never thought of this problem before, since I am usually adverse

>>to palliative measures, but I guess it would be

>>good to recommend a topical if one wants one before they are

>>cured by taking antiparasitics.  The best at preventing 

>>discomfort are prescription ones from your physician, but 

>>neem oil will help as well.



>>turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema

From: suzan@epix.net (Suzan)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:37:38 -0500





||How much of this is safe for a 10 month old baby?  He has terrible

||eczema on his face, arms and legs.  It comes and goes, but gets

||infected and he is on steroids and antibiotics a lot.

||

||I read about using a paste of ground oatmeal and chamomile infusion

||(for a child) but have not tried this.  Has anyone had any success

||with any of this for a small child?

||



The eczema isn't nearly as dangerous as the drugs. 



Try to stick to topical steriods and antibiotics if you have to use

something. You are supressing the poor little thing's immune system pretty

drastically on those and may cause long term problems.



Have you tried looking into food allergies as a cause? It is typically the

case. Or environmental stuff. it could be detergents or soaps... Common

baby products are full of perfume which is a common allergen. If you are

using disposable diapers you may want to switch to cloth. 



You need to try to find the cause of the allergic reaction. 



Aveeno oatmeal baths may helpd. Or just plain oatmeal in a clean white

cotten sock used as a cleanser. 



Good luck,



Suzan



*************************************************

"Live never to be ashamed if anything you do 

or say is published around the world...

even if what is published is not true." 

Richard Bach

************************************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema

From: as863@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Christopher Greenan)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 17:19:52 GMT





Suzan (suzan@epix.net) writes:

> ||How much of this is safe for a 10 month old baby?  He has terrible

> ||eczema on his face, arms and legs.  It comes and goes, but gets

> ||infected and he is on steroids and antibiotics a lot.

> ||

> ||I read about using a paste of ground oatmeal and chamomile infusion

> ||(for a child) but have not tried this.  Has anyone had any success

> ||with any of this for a small child?

> ||

> 

> The eczema isn't nearly as dangerous as the drugs. 

> 

> Try to stick to topical steriods and antibiotics if you have to use

> something. You are supressing the poor little thing's immune system pretty

> drastically on those and may cause long term problems.



I just researched this yesterday since I have ATOPIC ECZEMA myself and I

went through 5 books and it says that for (ATOPIC ECZEMA) DON'T use

ANTIBIOTICS AND ANTIHISTAMINES TOPICALLY AS THE SKIN IS EASILY SENSITIZED.







> 

> Have you tried looking into food allergies as a cause? It is typically the

> case. Or environmental stuff. it could be detergents or soaps... Common

> baby products are full of perfume which is a common allergen. If you are

> using disposable diapers you may want to switch to cloth. 



In the cases of atopic eczema there is NO PROOF that shows that food

causes allergic reactions, ATOPIC ECZEMA  is inherited and genetic. 

According to the books I researched from it says that it 'may' dissapear

at the age of 30,BUT it may continue for a lifetime.   Dairy products may

cause allergic reactions, BUT that possibility dissapears as you get

older. 



Known foods that can cause allergies are:



1. eggs

2. fish

3. cheese

4. citrus juices

5. and chocolate



Chris



> 

> You need to try to find the cause of the allergic reaction. 

> 

> Aveeno oatmeal baths may helpd. Or just plain oatmeal in a clean white

> cotten sock used as a cleanser. 

> 

> Good luck,

> 

> Suzan

> 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema

From: brumstik@interaccess.com (broomstick)

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 07:15:00



>Suzan (suzan@epix.net) writes:

>> ||How much of this is safe for a 10 month old baby?  He has terrible

>> ||eczema on his face, arms and legs.  It comes and goes, but gets

>> ||infected and he is on steroids and antibiotics a lot.



This kid needs to be checked for allergies.  That may not be the problem, but 

if it is, or if it's part of the problem, you can do something about the 

*cause* of the problem instead of just the *symptoms*.  If it's not a problem, 

then at least you've eliminated a possibility and you'll be closer to the 

final answer.



>> ||I read about using a paste of ground oatmeal and chamomile infusion

>> ||(for a child) but have not tried this.  Has anyone had any success

>> ||with any of this for a small child?



Yes.  Worked very well for my niece as far as soothing the skin.



For that matter, it's not so bad for me when I have a flare up.



>> The eczema isn't nearly as dangerous as the drugs. 



Depends on how bad the eczema is.  If the kid's whole body is one oozing rash, 

yeah, he needs some help NOW before getting a serious infection (skin 

infections are NOT pretty, and they can knock you off your feet quite easily.  

I speak from experience).  But certainly - *avoid* long-term steroid and 

antibiotic therapy as much as possible.  *Especially* steroids in children, as 

they can interfere with normal growth over the long term.



>> Try to stick to topical steriods and antibiotics if you have to use

>> something. You are supressing the poor little thing's immune system pretty

>> drastically on those and may cause long term problems.



>I just researched this yesterday since I have ATOPIC ECZEMA myself and I

>went through 5 books and it says that for (ATOPIC ECZEMA) DON'T use

>ANTIBIOTICS AND ANTIHISTAMINES TOPICALLY AS THE SKIN IS EASILY SENSITIZED.



The two above paragraphs make it pretty plain why you need to find out just 

*what* is causing the eczema.  Different causes may result in identical 

symptoms, but they require different treatments.



[snip]

>Known foods that can cause allergies are:



>1. eggs

>2. fish

>3. cheese

>4. citrus juices

>5. and chocolate



Actually, ANY food may cause an allergic reaction, that list is simply some of 

the more common ones.  Take the child to an allergist to have him fully tested 

for a wide variety of substances.  If it is an allergy, once you know what it 

is you can usually remove it from the environment and the kid may then not 

require any drugs whatsoever and will be healthier in general.



Good luck



========================================================================

                  |

>---Broomstick--- |         Any Day Above Ground Is a Good Day

                  |

========================================================================









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: dbbowden@dur.mindspring.com

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema

From: Liane Goodrich <liane@ccnet.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:26:15 -0700



Before any herbs etc. consider causes of eczema first.



Diet -- common allergies in foods often given to babies of this age are

cows milk and orange juice.  Food additives are also a common cause. 

What do you feed this baby?  Sometimes breast milk can contain animal

proteins that irritate a child; other foods mom should avoid are

tomatoes, onions and foods with oxalates.  Try elimation diets in both

mom and baby if breast fed.



Environment -- As an RN I have seen many patients allergic to detergents

used in the laundry.  Common irritants -- no enough rinsing, chlorine or

other bleach agents, fabric softeners.  Polyester instead of 100%

cotton.



My point being that there is cause of this reaction.  Rather than adding

things to the baby, try taking some away.  If you have done all this, to

no avail, I suggest patience and a little sunshine.  Most of the

botanicals are not well researched in tiny folks.



Liane RN (and my kids' mom)





David B. Bowden wrote:

> 

> How much of this is safe for a 10 month old baby?  He has terrible

> eczema on his face, arms and legs.  It comes and goes, but gets

> infected and he is on steroids and antibiotics a lot.

<snip>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema

From: ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 07:46:52 GMT



dbbowden@dur.mindspring.com (David B. Bowden) wrote:



>How much of this is safe for a 10 month old baby?  He has terrible

>eczema on his face, arms and legs.  It comes and goes, but gets

>infected and he is on steroids and antibiotics a lot.



>I read about using a paste of ground oatmeal and chamomile infusion

>(for a child) but have not tried this.  Has anyone had any success

>with any of this for a small child?





>

>>turf



i found that a bath with chammomile tea bags in it works wonders

topically.. just take two or three teabags, and bathe with them as if

it were a wash cloth.. you do need to be a little more gentle, and if

you are doing it regularly, it might pay to get a big bag of

chammomile and make a muslin bag for it to cut down the expense.



ashryn









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema

From: rpeterso@ns2.trytel.com (Ray Peterson)

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 07:39:43 -0500



In article <52bm9h$6o0@beldin.it.com.au>, ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn) wrote:



> dbbowden@dur.mindspring.com (David B. Bowden) wrote:

> 

> >How much of this is safe for a 10 month old baby?  He has terrible

> >eczema on his face, arms and legs.  It comes and goes, but gets

> >infected and he is on steroids and antibiotics a lot.

> 

> >I read about using a paste of ground oatmeal and chamomile infusion

> >(for a child) but have not tried this.  Has anyone had any success

> >with any of this for a small child?

> 

> 

> >

> >>turf

> 

> i found that a bath with chammomile tea bags in it works wonders

> topically.. just take two or three teabags, and bathe with them as if

> it were a wash cloth.. you do need to be a little more gentle, and if

> you are doing it regularly, it might pay to get a big bag of

> chammomile and make a muslin bag for it to cut down the expense.

> 

> ashryn



Calendula salve(Calendula Officinalis) worked wonderfully for my 2 year

old daughter's eczema.  Subsequently, cleared up a persistent rash with

my 86-yr old father-in-law;  and was the only thing that would clear up

a serious rash that I later developed(I didn't try steroids).



HedgeRow Herbs



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: PAXIL induced insomnia...help!

From: regina999@aol.com (Regina999)

Date: 16 Sep 1996 12:11:10 -0400



Taking SRI (Paxil) for anxiety/depression,and it seems to be working

great, except I can't sleep!  I have tried several kinds of herbal sleep

teas and tinctures (combination of stuff) and now have better luck falling

asleep, but I still wake up 3-4 times/night, and have a terrible time

getting back to sleep.  My doctor says to ride it out for awhile, and if

it doesn't get better he can prescribe another mild anti-depressant to

help me sleep!  Would rather find a good, safe herb!



What is the STRONGEST hebal sleep-aid available?  It needs to be safe with

Paxil.   PLEASE NO SALES HYPE!    I need some facts.  Thanks!

Regoina999@aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: PAXIL induced insomnia...help!

From: tgreyzck@ix.netcom.com (G-Man)

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:20:35 GMT



regina999@aol.com (Regina999) wrote:



>Taking SRI (Paxil) for anxiety/depression,and it seems to be working

>great, except I can't sleep!  I have tried several kinds of herbal sleep

>teas and tinctures (combination of stuff) and now have better luck falling

>asleep, but I still wake up 3-4 times/night, and have a terrible time

>getting back to sleep.  My doctor says to ride it out for awhile, and if

>it doesn't get better he can prescribe another mild anti-depressant to

>help me sleep!  Would rather find a good, safe herb!

>

>What is the STRONGEST hebal sleep-aid available?  It needs to be safe with

>Paxil.   PLEASE NO SALES HYPE!    I need some facts.  Thanks!

>Regoina999@aol.com



First, try varying the time you take the Paxil.  If you take it at

night, try taking it first thing in the morning.  If you take it in

the morning, try taking it just before bed.  This may be enough.



For myself, I find catnip tea with honey the best sleep aid, but

everyone is different.





--

G-Man



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: PAXIL induced insomnia...help!

From: craymond@flash.net (Carole Raymond)

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:34:56 GMT



>regina999@aol.com (Regina999) wrote:



>>Taking SRI (Paxil) for anxiety/depression,and it seems to be working

>>great, except I can't sleep!  I have tried several kinds of herbal sleep

>>teas and tinctures (combination of stuff) and now have better luck falling

>>asleep, but I still wake up 3-4 times/night, and have a terrible time

>>getting back to sleep.  My doctor says to ride it out for awhile, and if

>>it doesn't get better he can prescribe another mild anti-depressant to

>>help me sleep!  Would rather find a good, safe herb!

>>

I took Paxil a couple of years ago for 2 weeks and didn't sleep the

entire time.  I have never had high blood pressure, but during the

time I was taking it my blood pressure was very high.  Since one of my

problems was insomnia, Paxil wasn't the right answer for me.



Carole





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: PAXIL induced insomnia...help!

From: swift@crl.com (Scotty)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:44:04 GMT



My preference is to take Hops & Chamomile. It's safe and dosn't 

build up in your system as a toxin like Valerian.



One thing you should *stay_away_from* is my favorite herb 

Passion Flower. Passion Flower contains harmala alkaloids, 

which are definatly hazardous when taking SSRI's. The combination 

has caused hallucinations, seizures, ect.. stay away from any MAO

inhibitor!



One trick with SSRI's is to take them as early in the morning as

you can. This may help the "speedy" effect. Also Melotonin seems

to especially work wonders aiding sleep while taking SSRI's



Good Luck, Scotty



low stress page - http://www.crl.com/~swift/



regina999@aol.com (Regina999) shared:

>Taking SRI (Paxil) for anxiety/depression,and it seems to be working

>great, except I can't sleep!  I have tried several kinds of herbal sleep

>teas and tinctures (combination of stuff) and now have better luck falling

>asleep, but I still wake up 3-4 times/night, and have a terrible time

>getting back to sleep.  My doctor says to ride it out for awhile, and if

>it doesn't get better he can prescribe another mild anti-depressant to

>help me sleep!  Would rather find a good, safe herb!



>What is the STRONGEST hebal sleep-aid available?  It needs to be safe with

>Paxil.   PLEASE NO SALES HYPE!    I need some facts.  Thanks!

>Regoina999@aol.com







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: PAXIL induced insomnia...help!

From: ctedder@calweb.com (Cory Tedder)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 13:35:47 GMT



Scotty (swift@crl.com) wrote:

: My preference is to take Hops & Chamomile. It's safe and dosn't 

: build up in your system as a toxin like Valerian.

: 

: One thing you should *stay_away_from* is my favorite herb 

: Passion Flower. Passion Flower contains harmala alkaloids, 

: which are definatly hazardous when taking SSRI's. The combination 

: has caused hallucinations, seizures, ect.. stay away from any MAO

: inhibitor!

: 

: One trick with SSRI's is to take them as early in the morning as

: you can. This may help the "speedy" effect. Also Melotonin seems

: to especially work wonders aiding sleep while taking SSRI's

: 

: Good Luck, Scotty

: 

: low stress page - http://www.crl.com/~swift/





I'm also taking Paxil, Do you know of anther herbs besides passionflower

that may cause problems???





-- 

=======================================

Cory Tedder          ctedder@calweb.com







=======================================   



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: PREPARING HERBS

From: VWSR35A@prodigy.com (Edward Gratz jr)

Date: 16 Sep 1996 16:20:21 GMT



I am interested in info on making my own herbs, but still have many 

questions.  #1)  Can I mix ANY herbs?

 #2)  If a book says to use a tea or tincture, can you make a capsule 

instead?

 #3)  If you can grind it, can it be used for capsules?

 #4)  How do I know the level of herb I purchase?  (standardized)

 $5)  Do you have any suggestions to a beginner, I mean really beginner.



 So far,  I have prepared Chamomile Oil.   I have two tincture extracts 

sitting now, with about one more week to go before use.  I have prepared 

capsules for my Thyroid.  Though I am a beginner, I am intrigued and 

anxious to continue.



Many thanks,

Carol

VWSR35A





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: PREPARING HERBS

From: "David M. Union" <dunion@tiac.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:31:25 -0400



Question:



While in China I met a man whose herbal healing formulae for

ligament/tendon damage was pretty incredible. I know of a 

few people that make it, but most do not want to give out

their formulas.



Is there any printed source with formulas for this - specifically

chineese rice-wine tinctures geared to sports injuries?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: PREPARING HERBS

From: ccjs@cse.bris.ac.uk (J. G. Simpson)

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:04:35 GMT



Many books suggest dosages for herbs, and which other herbs

they combine well with, as well as the best type of

preparation, dry herb, tincture, infusion or decoction.  

One of my main guides, as it is comprehensive, is The

Holistic Herbal by Hoffman D, available in the UK and

probably the US.



There appear to be no adverse affects from taking well

ground dry herbs (I mix with bran, wheat or oat) and

start with about a quarter of the minimum of the range of

suggested dosage.  Then increase in the light of experience and

efficacy.  Individuals differ in their response and sensitivity

to particular herbs, and the dosage suggested needs to be adjusted

according to body weight etc.



Because some active components may be bound into the matrix

of the herb, and not freely available from the dried herb,

other forms of preparation may be suggested.  If you get

results from the dried ground herb stick with that, if not

experiment with the other forms of preparation suggested.



For example I get excellent results for gum abcesses and colds

just by taking dried Echinacea Root.  I bought some tincture

to try, from a respected supplier, and nothing happened.  You

have to use books as a starting point, then experiment and find

what works for you.



For hypertension I use mixed herbs, both dry for quickness, and

the suggested decoction when I have more time.  Although I have

taken other measures, apart from herbs, I have dropped from 

176 over 115, to 152 over 102, in some 12 weeks, without using

prescribed drugs like beta blockers.  



mk95528 (mk95528@navix.net) wrote:

: On 16 Sep 1996 16:20:21 GMT, VWSR35A@prodigy.com (Edward Gratz jr)

: wrote:

: 

: >I am interested in info on making my own herbs, but still have many 

: >questions.  #1)  Can I mix ANY herbs?

: > #2)  If a book says to use a tea or tincture, can you make a capsule 

: >instead?

-- 

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



-------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: PREPARING HERBS

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 09:50:38 -0400



In article <323e06e1.389583@news.navix.net>, mk95528@navix.net (mk95528)

writes:



>From opening a magazine at hand I see a real good course from;

>Jeanne Rose



She's got some wonderful books on preparing herbs too...  The other ones

that deal with the tea vs. infusion vs something else that I like are:

Complete Medicinal Herbal by Penelope Ody

Holistic Herbal by David Hoffman



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, Wa

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb List Required

From: bd577@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Steven Robert Morrison)

Date: 16 Sep 1996 21:27:28 GMT





Could someone help me out here.



I require a list of herbs and spices and their medicinal qualities.

E-mail me or post it here



srm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb List Required

From: rreno@quebectel.com (The Chinese Way)

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:29:07 GMT



bd577@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Steven Robert Morrison) wrote:





>Could someone help me out here.



>I require a list of herbs and spices and their medicinal qualities.

>E-mail me or post it here



>srm



Buy the excellent book The Way of Herbs (ISBN 0-671-72403-7) by

Michael Tierra. A "must" for everyone interested in eastern, european,

american indian healing traditions.



"The Chinese Way"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb List Required

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 21 Sep 1996 16:57:38 -0400



You can find similiar information around the web... Henriette's web page

has a lot of excellent links to such stuff (where are you, H?).  You can

get there from our page:

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/other.htm



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb List Required

From: Jackie Jernigan <jackiej@usit.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:35:09 -0400



Steven Robert Morrison wrote:

> 

> Could someone help me out here.

> 

> I require a list of herbs and spices and their medicinal qualities.

> E-mail me or post it here

> 

> srm





I suggest you pick up John Lust's _Herb Book_.  It's got good, concise

entries on herbs and spices and their medicinal uses.  A list like you

ask for would take way too long to post and use up too much room.



--Dazazel



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb List Required

From: wolf <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:20:38 -0700



Jackie Jernigan wrote:

> 

> Steven Robert Morrison wrote:



> > I require a list of herbs and spices and their medicinal qualities.



> I suggest you pick up John Lust's _Herb Book_.  It's got good, concise



I have a question which relates to another herb book which will be a

good reference "Back to Eden" by Jethro Kloss.

He mentioned in his book a herb "Pilewort" and also listed the botanical

name as 'Amaranthus hypochondriacus'. "The Herbalist" by Joseph E. Meyer

- a good book to have too - gives two references to Pile Wort. One as

Erecthites Hieracifolius and one as Amaranthus Hypochondriacus.

Which is the right Pilewort? Which is the one working on piles

(hemorrhoids??

Anyone have an answer ????

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb List Required

From: Steve Johnson <treelite@itsnet.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:26:13 -0600



Steven Robert Morrison wrote:

> 

> Could someone help me out here.

> 

> I require a list of herbs and spices and their medicinal qualities.

> E-mail me or post it here

> 

> srm



There are some FAQs around the net. Just type in "herbs spices 

medicinal and FAQ" on search engines like yahoo! Here is one 

reference: http://www.algy.com/herb/frame.html. Good luck.



Steve Johnson

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: osteoporosis

From: Joan MacGillivray <jmacgill@globalserve.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:47:11 -0400



Does anyone know what herbs are good for building bones in someone with

osteoporosis?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: osteoporosis

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 17 Sep 1996 06:57:02 -0700



Joan MacGillivray <jmacgill@globalserve.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know what herbs are good for building bones in someone with

>osteoporosis?



Calcium (1-2000 mg/day) and regular vigorous exercise is what it

takes.  Your body only makes your bones as strong as they need to be,

and vigourous exercise convinces it that the bones need strengthening.

Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: osteoporosis

From: Magpie

Date: 18 Sep 1996 20:25:53 GMT



>

>Calcium (1-2000 mg/day) and regular vigorous exercise is what it

>takes.

Response: Don't forget that your body needs vitamin D in order to

absorb Calcium.  A good idea would be to make sure that the

calcium supplement you are taking includes vitamin D or get a little

sun, but not too much sun that you get skin cancer.



Enjoy life, it's too short.

Magpie



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: osteoporosis

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:09:33 GMT



On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Joan MacGillivray <jmacgill@globalserve.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know what herbs are good for building bones in someone with

>osteoporosis?



They should also investigate their diet. Such a condition can be caused by

undiagnosed gluten intolerance, as calcium and vitamin D malabsorption are

major symptoms of this condition. It is possible for this condition to have

been present undiagnosed since the infant years.



Lindh, et. al. "Screening for antibodies against gliadin in patients with

osteoporosis". JOURNAL OF INTERNAL MEDICINE. vol. 231, pages 403-406, 1992

12% of the study group was shown to have elevated IgA anti-gliadin

antibodies. 3% proved to have celiac disease. This is a startlingly high

number, in view of the Swedish incidence in the general population being

less than 1/10 th of that percentage. 



========================================



For more information on gluten intolerance this page points to all Net

resources:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Tea For...

From: May Ip <mi@maya.sos.on.ca>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:32:46 -0400



I found 2 formulae for allergy, hay fever and sinus problems.

could aanybody tell me whether they are useful; if so, how much of each

ingredient should I use??



            Formula 1: 

            black cohosh, blessed thistle, pleurisy root, skullcap.



            Formula 2:

            brigham tea, burdock, cayenne, chaparral, golden seal,       

            lobelia, marshmallow, parsley.



Thanks in advance.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ginko tea

From: Marko Habjan <marko.habjan@kiss.uni-lj.si>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:05:30 -0700



Does anyone know how to make tea with ginko leaves, or any tea recipes 

with ginko leaves ?



I have got some, but I don't know what to do with this leaves.



Marko



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. Johns Wort & Diet

From: jamesw6147@aol.com (JamesW6147)

Date: 17 Sep 1996 01:43:22 -0400



I have read posts indicating a concern regarding possible food or drug

interactions associated with St. Johns Wort. In August of this year the

British Medical Journal published a summary of various studies on the

herb. There were two interesting points



1.  Originally St. Johns wort was thought to have MAOI properties, however

this

     has not shown to be clinically relevant



2.  In all the studies reviewed there has been no significant drug or food



     interactions.



From the reading I've done I have found no evidence that this herb should

carry the precautions of a prescription MAOI.  In fact the article states

the mechanism of action of the antidepressant effect is still unclear.



Any comments?





James





J 

     

     



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort & Diet

From: meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 06:39:26 GMT



In <51ldpq$6ll@newsbf02.news.aol.com> jamesw6147@aol.com (JamesW6147)

writes: 

>

>I have read posts indicating a concern regarding possible food or drug

>interactions associated with St. Johns Wort. In August of this year

>the British Medical Journal published a summary of various studies on

>the herb. There were two interesting points

>

>1.  Originally St. Johns wort was thought to have MAOI properties,

>however this has not shown to be clinically relevant

>

>2.  In all the studies reviewed there has been no significant drug or

>food interactions.

>

>From the reading I've done I have found no evidence that this herb

>should carry the precautions of a prescription MAOI.  In fact the

>article states the mechanism of action of the antidepressant effect is

>still unclear.

>

>Any comments?

>James



Yes, and thank you for posting this.  I've been thinking about posting

about this issue myself.  I would be interested in the citation of the

article you read, volume #, page #, etc, if you have it. 



I have a copy of a newsletter called Medical Herbalism (Vol 7, No 1-2)

which says that SJW is very well tested and has been proven to be an

effective treatment for depression, however they are unclear now as to

what chemical in the herb has this effect. 



"For decades herbalists and herbal regulators have held that hypericin

and related compounds in St. John's wort are the active ingredient for

antidepressant effects, and that they act through inhibition of

monoamine oxidase, a substance that regulates the levels of

neurotransmitters in the brain.  This is how a class of antidepressants

called MAO-inhibitors work.  There is no longer a consensus opinion

among scientists either that hypericin is the active constituent, or

that MAO-inhibition accounts for the antidepressant effects of St.

John's wort extracts.  (We challenged the MAO-inhibition theory for St.

John's wort in 1990 (MH 1990:2(1);1-3) on the basis that the extracts

do not produce the side effects associated with MAO inhibition, which

can include potentially fatal hypertensive crisis.) Early extractions

of hypericin used in lab tests were apparently contaminated by other

St. John's wort constituents, and a subsequent study has shown that

pure hypericin does not have MAO inhibiting effects.  Likewise other

scientists have proposed that the slight MAO inhibiting effects of

other constituents in St John't wort are not sufficient to explain its

clinical action." (page 8).



Regarding toxicity:

"Side effects are practically non-existant in the scientific

literature.  In the course of six controlled studies involving 230

patients, only one patient reported non-specific gastric trouble during

the trials.  Medical literature warns against teh possibility of

photosensitivity--easy sunburn--but this did not appear in any of the

clinical trials which lasted from 2-8 weeks."  (page 9)



So they seem to be saying that in general, SJW doesn't show MAO

inhibition effects, or at least not strong ones.  I want to get a hold

of the article they cite in which they challenged the MAO inhibition

theory, and see what that says. 



It seems to me this is a serious issue.  If SJW is not a MAO inhibitor

but people using it still avoid foods on the MAOI list, it isn't a

problem.  If SJW *is* an MAOI and people using it do *not* avoid these

dangerous foods, there could be a serious problem.  It seems to me the

safest thing to do would be to treat it as though it is an MAO

inhibitor, just to avoid possible problems.  The problems associated

with MAO inhibitors are so drastic, including possible death, that the

precaution seems really appropriate to me.  



Regarding the photo-sensitivity issue, Michael Moore says he doesn't

think it's a big deal, in all his years he has only known one person

with very fair skin to have a problem with this.  I think I also read

somewhere (sorry, no idea where) about a man who had cattle who ate SJW

a lot and had no problems.  



I'm curious what other people here think of this.  I hope, however,

that users of SJW don't rush off to eat that aged cheese and wine! :-)

Personally, I don't think the risk would be worth it, right now!



Meadow



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort & Diet

From: Bob Gale <rhgale@courant.infi.net>

Date: 18 Sep 1996 13:52:43 GMT





>I'm curious what other people here think of this.  I hope, however,

>that users of SJW don't rush off to eat that aged cheese and wine! :-)

>Personally, I don't think the risk would be worth it, right now!

>

>Meadow



Not eating the aged cheese and wine may be a cause of depression ;-}





There is much mixed opinion on SJW... while the actual accounts of 

problems are difficult to find... no one wants to hurt someone else by not 

being cautions... given the prevelance of good results from SJW over time 

I think it is clear that something is effective!... maybe it is the 

thought of regaining control over the problematic symptoms?



Bob





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort & Diet

From: "Mark R. Brown" <markb@iglou.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:07:26 GMT



On 18 Sep 1996, MEADOW WOODY wrote:



> It seems to me this is a serious issue.  If SJW is not a MAO inhibitor

> but people using it still avoid foods on the MAOI list, it isn't a

> problem.  If SJW *is* an MAOI and people using it do *not* avoid these

> dangerous foods, there could be a serious problem.  It seems to me the

> safest thing to do would be to treat it as though it is an MAO

> inhibitor, just to avoid possible problems.  The problems associated

> with MAO inhibitors are so drastic, including possible death, that the

> precaution seems really appropriate to me.  



> I'm curious what other people here think of this.  I hope, however,

> that users of SJW don't rush off to eat that aged cheese and wine! :-)

> Personally, I don't think the risk would be worth it, right now!

> 

> Meadow



I'm not a Dr., but I've had years of experience with depression and

antidepressants.



Many people on MAOI's are able to eat some of the foods on the no-no list

in small quanities  without the blood pressure problems.  Yet, the side

effect can be drastic and they'd have to experiment with small amount of

the offending food.  



MAOI's are potent, concentrate chemicals made in labs.  SJW is a complex

herb with many chemical components.  Even if it works by an MAOI action,

it's not going to have the same side-effect as the concentrated drug.



I've been using SJW for about a month and eating anything I want

(including aged foods except wine which make me sick even without SJW and

MAOI'S).  



Again, I'm not a Dr. but I do feel you can safely try small amounts of the

foods high in taurine.  I know the side-effects of MAOI's and haven't

experienced any of them in the least.  



I understand your concern, but I think you'd enjoy life better without the

food restrictions and the fear that you seem to be experiencing.  I take

10 drops of SJW tincture 3x a day and two Valerian tabs (gee gads! the

smell) at night.  This is helping a lot.



Love and Gentle Healing

Mark R. Brown                   |    Frolicking Buddha Spiritual Advocates

Usui Reiki Master Teacher       |    Reiki Treatments and Training

Karuna Reiki(tm) Master Teacher |    Spiritual advising and Tarot Reading

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort & Diet

From: larry semark <semark@unm.edu>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:34:04 -0600



Mark R. Brown wrote:

> 



>AOI'S).

> 

> Again, I'm not a Dr. but I do feel you can safely try small amounts of the

> foods high in taurine.  I know the side-effects of MAOI's and haven't

> experienced any of them in the least.

> 

> I understand your concern, but I think you'd enjoy life better without the

> food restrictions and the fear that you seem to be experiencing.  I take

> 10 drops of SJW tincture 3x a day and two Valerian tabs (gee gads! the

> smell) at night.  This is helping a lot.

> 

>

Dear Mark, how long did it take for SJW to help you with the

depression?  Do you notice any side effects?



Larry



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort & Diet

From: meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY)

Date: 21 Sep 1996 08:25:51 GMT



In <Pine.GSO.3.93.960919153519.5879A-100000@iglou1> "Mark R. Brown"

<markb@iglou.com> writes: 

>

>On 18 Sep 1996, MEADOW WOODY wrote:

>

>> It seems to me this is a serious issue.  If SJW is not a MAO

>>inhibitor but people using it still avoid foods on the MAOI list, it

>>isn't a problem.  If SJW *is* an MAOI and people using it do *not*

>>avoid these dangerous foods, there could be a serious problem.  It

>>seems to me the safest thing to do would be to treat it as though it

>>is an MAO inhibitor, just to avoid possible problems.  The problems

>>associated with MAO inhibitors are so drastic, including possible

>>death, that the precaution seems really appropriate to me.  

>

>> I'm curious what other people here think of this.  I hope, however,

>> that users of SJW don't rush off to eat that aged cheese and wine!

>>:-)

>> Personally, I don't think the risk would be worth it, right now!

>> 

>> Meadow

>

>I'm not a Dr., but I've had years of experience with depression and

>antidepressants.

>

>Many people on MAOI's are able to eat some of the foods on the no-no

>list in small quanities  without the blood pressure problems.  Yet,

>the side effect can be drastic and they'd have to experiment with

>small amount of the offending food.  

>

>MAOI's are potent, concentrate chemicals made in labs.  SJW is a

>complex herb with many chemical components.  Even if it works by an

>MAOI action, it's not going to have the same side-effect as the

>concentrated drug.

>

>I've been using SJW for about a month and eating anything I want

>(including aged foods except wine which make me sick even without SJW

>and MAOI'S).  

>

>Again, I'm not a Dr. but I do feel you can safely try small amounts of

>the foods high in taurine.  I know the side-effects of MAOI's and

>haven't experienced any of them in the least.  

>

>I understand your concern, but I think you'd enjoy life better without

>the food restrictions and the fear that you seem to be experiencing. 

>I take 10 drops of SJW tincture 3x a day and two Valerian tabs (gee

>gads! the smell) at night.  This is helping a lot.

>

>Love and Gentle Healing

>Mark R. Brown                   |    Frolicking Buddha Spiritual 



Thanks for your concern about my fear, but I don't take SJW!  The point

(and 80%) of my post was deleted at some point along the way here.  I

quoted at length from a newsletter about the chemicals in SJW and some

research about whether or not it is an MAOI.  There's been a lot of

talk on this NG about it, some claiming it is, other it isn't...  When

I said I was curious about what people thought of what I wrote, I was

referring to the quotes I had typed in.  



What I have gotten along the way here is that Hypericin, a major

chemical in SJW, by itself, *isolated*, may be an MAOI, however, when

left in SJW (where it belongs!) it either isn't, or the MAOI effects

are much weaker. Also, the newsletter cited research that indicated

that Hypericin may not actually be the main chemical in SJW responsible

for treating depression, as previously believed. 



BTW, I take Valarian sometimes as a tincture and I find it delicious. 

I know the dry herbs smells awful, but tinctured, it's wonderful!



Meadow



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort & Diet

From: "Mark R. Brown" <markb@iglou.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:22:31 GMT



On 21 Sep 1996, MEADOW WOODY wrote:



> Thanks for your concern about my fear, but I don't take SJW!  The point

> (and 80%) of my post was deleted at some point along the way here.  



I'm sorry.  Seems I stumbled into one of those newsgroup pitfalls.  I'll

try to keep up a little better :)



> 

> What I have gotten along the way here is that Hypericin, a major

> chemical in SJW, by itself, *isolated*, may be an MAOI, however, when

> left in SJW (where it belongs!) it either isn't, or the MAOI effects

> are much weaker. Also, the newsletter cited research that indicated

> that Hypericin may not actually be the main chemical in SJW responsible

> for treating depression, as previously believed. 



I agree that the whole herb has effects that the singled out chemicals may

not duplicate or may cause side effects.  The whole is often more than the

sum of its parts!



> 

> BTW, I take Valarian sometimes as a tincture and I find it delicious. 

> I know the dry herbs smells awful, but tinctured, it's wonderful!

> 

> Meadow



Thanks for the tip!  I try some out.





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Usui Reiki Master Teacher       |    Reiki Treatments and Training

Karuna Reiki(tm) Master Teacher |    Spiritual advising and Tarot Reading

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort & Diet

From: shawn.koppenhoefer@di.epfl.ch (elTanguero)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:25:15 +0100



> 1.  Originally St. Johns wort was thought to have MAOI properties, however

> this has not shown to be clinically relevant





do you have a reference on this? 

what clinical studies?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mononucleosis

From: "J. Judd Harbin" <jharbin@ocean.st.usm.edu>

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 22:56:07 -0700



Does anyone know of a dietary or herbal treatment to speed up

recovery from mononucleosis? 



Judd

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mononucleosis

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 22:06:34 GMT



In article <323E3D77.659D@ocean.st.usm.edu>,

   "J. Judd Harbin" <jharbin@ocean.st.usm.edu> wrote:

>Does anyone know of a dietary or herbal treatment to speed up

>recovery from mononucleosis? 

>

>Judd



A good diet high in comples carbo's,whole grainsand no sugar,caffeine,soft 

drinks.Get the rest you need and then some and support your immune system well 

with garlic supplementsand an acidophilus supplement.Take a all purpose 

vitamin supplement and get lots of water.You might also try a chlorophyll 

supp.

Barbara 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mononucleosis

From: liz@ervose.mv.com (Liz Vose)

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 03:26:56 GMT



Acidophilus!!!  A friend introduced this to me after I had a very

lingering case of mono and it helped a lot.



Liz



In article <323E3D77.659D@ocean.st.usm.edu>, "J. Judd Harbin"

<jharbin@ocean.st.usm.edu> wrote:



> Does anyone know of a dietary or herbal treatment to speed up

> recovery from mononucleosis? 

> 

> Judd

> -- 

> 

> [Humanity] masters nature not by force but by understanding.  

> --Jacob Bronowski                                             

>                                                               

> jharbin@ocean.st.usm.edu                                      

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gingseng Farming?

From: littlepua@aol.com (Little Pua)

Date: 17 Sep 1996 08:39:12 -0400



      My family has several farms in Kentucky. Much of the land is perfect

for growing gingseng... there are many wild plants already growing there.

(We understand the wild population is rapidly disappearing around here and

have no plans at all to touch these plants.)

      Can anyone tell me if gingseng is worth cultivating as a crop? I

realize it takes years to reach mature harvest but we have the time and

the space. What kind of yield and prices can you expect? Does anyone have

experience with farming gingseng? Please tell me your experience.



Little Pua



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gingseng Farming?

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:12:28 -0500



Little Pua wrote:

> 

>       My family has several farms in Kentucky. Much of the land is perfect

> for growing gingseng... there are many wild plants already growing there.

First of all try to protect your wild plants from poachers.



Yes it worth growing if you have the patience to wait for 6 to 7 years 

for a mature crop. An acre of woodsgrown with about 10000 plants at 100

plants to the dried pound could net you today $15,000. A lot of practice

is needed to get the right combo of light and soil conditions. Too 

complicated to discuss here. 

	Best method is to plant an acre a year. After three years, you 

will collect a sizable seed crop for your future planting or selling

(selling for $85 a lb now). 



Email and I will discuss at length.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gingseng Farming?

From: algol@magitech.com ("Karl Welz")

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 04:00:21 GMT



On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:12:28 -0500, jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

wrote:



>Little Pua wrote:

>> 

>>       My family has several farms in Kentucky. Much of the land is perfect

>> for growing gingseng... there are many wild plants already growing there.

>First of all try to protect your wild plants from poachers.

>

>Yes it worth growing if you have the patience to wait for 6 to 7 years 

>for a mature crop. An acre of woodsgrown with about 10000 plants at 100

>plants to the dried pound could net you today $15,000. A lot of practice

>is needed to get the right combo of light and soil conditions. Too 

>complicated to discuss here. 

>	Best method is to plant an acre a year. After three years, you 

>will collect a sizable seed crop for your future planting or selling

>(selling for $85 a lb now). 

>

>Email and I will discuss at length.



I knew several people who did it in Tennessee.

In all cases (no exception) the problem with growing ginseng were some

"locals" who paid visits at night, harvested the "seng" and sold it

before they did.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gingseng Farming?

From: KEN_WILLIAMS@RedwoodFN.org (KEN WILLIAMS)

Date: 25 Sep 1996 20:41:32 GMT



i would like to see  if Gingseng would in Ukiah Ca.

i have  50 +ac. i'm looking for some thing to grow, 

thank you for you time .



E-Mail at / ken_g._williams @redwoodfn.org



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Stevia Info/Source

From: Blas Oddone <oddone@continuum.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:16:19 +0500



For those interested in Stevia there is now a new Home Page with

comprehensive data on this increasingly important natural non-caloric

sweetener from South America at:

http://q.continuum.net/~oddone/data/stevia2.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: 17 alpha dyhydroequilin Equilin

From: Fred Ayres <fda@pong.pslc.ucla.ed>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:18:18 -0700



Does anyone know of a source for equilin or 17 alpha dihydroequilin?



Thanks,



Fred    fayres@ucla.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: 17 alpha dyhydroequilin Equilin

From: pandoc@ix.netcom.com(charles mccarthy)

Date: 21 Sep 1996 21:28:00 GMT



In <323EEB6A.6B88@pong.pslc.ucla.ed> Fred Ayres <fda@pong.pslc.ucla.ed>

writes: 

>

>Does anyone know of a source for equilin or 17 alpha dihydroequilin?



Fred,



Equilin may be found in the urine of a pregnant mare, however,

you may obtain it a little bit easier from Sigma Chemical Co., 

St. Louis, Missouri. [1-800-325-8070]



Good Luck,



Charlie



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: soc.culture.african,alt.folklore.herbs,soc.culture.arabic,rec.travel.africa

Subject: herbs and herbal remedies in africa

From: josie@netaxs.com (josie)

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 18:32:29 GMT



Hi,

	I will be traveling for an extended period in N. Africa, the 

Saheel, and East Africa (1-2 years), and I'm looking for information on 

non-pharmacological approaches to dealing with the various health 

difficulties.

	I have traveled extensively, and in particular in areas with 

malaria and dengue fever before, and in general I am of a strong 

constitution, and have had no health problems of any significance.

	I'm looking for advice on herbal remedies for the variety of 

endemic diseases relating to unclean food and water, as well as other 

parasitic infections common to the areas I'm traveling in.  Also, since 

I will be traveling for a long time, I would like advice on herbs that 

can be obtained on the road, and their names in arabic, swahili, 

french, creole, pidgin, etc.

	Currently, the best cure I know of for intestinal parasites 

involves the use of tobbacco and garlic.  This is handy, as it is 

almost universally available, but it is also a bit heavy for casual 

use.  Any other ideas?

	Does anyone have any information on whether quinine tonic water 

has any preventative use against malaria?  Any advice on herbs which 

would make one less attractive to insects, either taken internally, or 

applied to the skin?

	Does anyone know of any herbal guidebooks that may be of use in 

the areas I will be traveling in (i.e. does goldenseal grow in 

Africa?)?

	Are there any effective methods for dealing with blood borne 

parasites?

	Well those are a lot of questions, and I look forward to 

hearing from you.  Thanks.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fennel Plant

From: larry semark <semark@unm.edu>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:36:48 -0600



Hi I was reading in a health book, "The Pleasure Connection", that

Fennel leaves and flowers when made into a juice, can give a person

eurphoria because the juice increases the production of endorphins in

the body.  They recommend that a person take 2 or 3 stalks of

Fennel, take the leaves and flowers of, and then juice them with a 

carrot or two.  Can also do this in a blender by adding water.  Has

anyone heard of Fennel leaves producting eurphoria in a person?



Larry



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fennel Plant

From: Sam DeFilippis <sdefilip@wwa.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:04:49 -0700



larry semark wrote:

> 

> Hi I was reading in a health book, "The Pleasure Connection", that

> Fennel leaves and flowers when made into a juice, can give a person

> eurphoria because the juice increases the production of endorphins in

> the body.  They recommend that a person take 2 or 3 stalks of

> Fennel, take the leaves and flowers of, and then juice them with a

> carrot or two.  Can also do this in a blender by adding water.  Has

> anyone heard of Fennel leaves producting eurphoria in a person?

> 

> LarryHaven't heard of the euphoria effect but we discovered it's benefits to

the gastrointestinal tract when my daughter was a baby with colic.  We

eventually found a pediatrician that suggested making a weak tea from 

fennel seeds and a bit of honey and putting it in the baby bottle  -- a 

big burb from my daughter and sleep for her and us. I guess it produced

euphoria one way or another.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fennel Plant

From: blnkscreen@aol.com (Blnkscreen)

Date: 21 Sep 1996 08:40:49 -0400



In article <3241FBC1.685E@wwa.com>, Sam DeFilippis <sdefilip@wwa.com>

writes:



>> Hi I was reading in a health book, "The Pleasure Connection", that

>> Fennel leaves and flowers when made into a juice, can give a person

>> eurphoria because the juice increases the production of endorphins in

>> the body.  They recommend that a person take 2 or 3 stalks of

>> Fennel, take the leaves and flowers of, and then juice them with a

>> carrot or two.  Can also do this in a blender by adding water.  Has

>> anyone heard of Fennel leaves producting eurphoria in a person?

 

> LarryHaven't heard of the euphoria effect but we discovered it's

benefits

>to

>the gastrointestinal tract when my daughter was a baby with colic.  We

>eventually found a pediatrician that suggested making a weak tea from 

>fennel seeds and a bit of honey and putting it in the baby bottle  -- a 

>big burb from my daughter and sleep for her and us. I guess it produced

>euphoria one way or another.



Glad that formula worked for you, but generally babies under a year old

should not have honey.  Something about bacteria that naturally occurs in

honey that they are too young to handle.

                                                                   



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fennel Plant

From: pandoc@ix.netcom.com(charles mccarthy)

Date: 21 Sep 1996 21:42:49 GMT



In <323F2800.41C6@unm.edu> larry semark <semark@unm.edu> writes: 

>

>Hi I was reading in a health book, "The Pleasure Connection", that

>Fennel leaves and flowers when made into a juice, can give a person

>eurphoria because the juice increases the production of endorphins in

>the body.  They recommend that a person take 2 or 3 stalks of



Larry,



I would ask for the citation to the scientific literature regarding

increased production of endorphins.



The main activity of this fennel juice would probably be diarrhea 

from the anethole, etc.



"Eurphoria" is not always all its cracked up to be.  



Charlie



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: dunion@tiac.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bruise/Tendon Linament (was Re: PREPARING HERBS)

From: Kent and Kat Dyer <kdyer@nash.tds.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:39:45 -0700



David M. Union wrote:

> 

> Question:

> 

> While in China I met a man whose herbal healing formulae for

> ligament/tendon damage was pretty incredible. I know of a

> few people that make it, but most do not want to give out

> their formulas.

> 

> Is there any printed source with formulas for this - specifically

> chineese rice-wine tinctures geared to sports injuries?



Are you speaking of Dit Da Jow (sp)?  I use an American version which is:

1 part Arnica tincture

1 part Comfrey tincture

1 part Witch Hazel tincture



DO NOT INGEST!!!  DO NOT USE ON BROKEN SKIN!!!  Sorry to yell, but it's 

important that you only put this recipie on unbroken skin.  I just put 

some on a cotten ball and wipe down the area.  If it's really bad I soak 

a guaze pad and leave it on until it drys.  Repeat as often as you want. 

 I will use just a bit in a tub of water to soak as long as I don't have 

any open cuts.  This recipie has been field tested on many Society of 

Creative Anachronism heavy fighters.  If you run across a Dit Da Jow 

(sp?) recipie though I'd love to have it.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: kdyer@nash.tds.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bruise/Tendon Linament (was Re: PREPARING HERBS)

From: Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:00:30 GMT



Kent and Kat Dyer <kdyer@nash.tds.net> wrote:

>This recipie has been field tested on many Society of 

>Creative Anachronism heavy fighters.  If you run across a Dit Da Jow 

>(sp?) recipie though I'd love to have it.



Are you into SKA?  Just curious.



Colette (who isn't, but has a lot of friends in Northern Illinois who

are; some of them bikers, too!)







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Sarcoma cancer

From: Michael Belcastro <smb@mergetel.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:21:06 -0400



Michael Belcastro wrote:



 My dad has Sarcoma tumors in his lungs. They tell us there is nothing

we can do. Does anybody know of any kind of treatments or remedies that

we could try? If anybody can help us please e-mail me.

Thanks

Mike







   ***********************************************                       

            

                MICHAEL BELCASTRO HOMEPAGE

          http://www.inett.com/seaway/mikeyb.html

                                

    ************************************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Sarcoma cancer

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 21 Sep 1996 10:14:14 GMT



Is your dad a smoker? still smoking? Do he feel thirsty all the time?

Lung is a organ filled with fluid, the first point is to nourish yin (fill

up the fluid).

I think you can try this:

step 1

beishashen Radix Glehniac (bug sa sum) 2 oz.

root of chinese trichosanthes Radix Tichosanthis (tin fa fen) 2 oz.

-- boil them in low heat for an hour to make a pot of drink for dosage

during a day.

the purpose is to moisturise and cool down the lung.  

step 2

eliminate sputum and disinfection, etc.

(needs more information for further prescription)

regards yklaw



Michael Belcastro <smb@mergetel.com> wrote in article

<323F4072.6812@mergetel.com>...

> Michael Belcastro wrote:

> 

>  My dad has Sarcoma tumors in his lungs. 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: halting itches/hives

From: Rachel Gholson <rgholson@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:20:46 -0230





Having just had my first attack of hives a week ago and still having to 

fight the urge to scratch those remaining few...I wonder if anyone has 

some helpful herbal wisdom concerning how to ease the need to scratch or 

how to hasten these pesky hives away.



Thanks!



PS. They seem to have been brought on by a food allergy/reaction. Yes, 

the food has not seen my stove or lips or tummy since :)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: halting itches/hives

From: brumstik@interaccess.com (broomstick)

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 07:31:08



In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.960917221659.12685D-100000@plato.ucs.mun.ca> Rachel Gholson <rgholson@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> writes:

>From: Rachel Gholson <rgholson@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

>Subject: halting itches/hives

>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:20:46 -0230





>Having just had my first attack of hives a week ago and still having to 

>fight the urge to scratch those remaining few...I wonder if anyone has 

>some helpful herbal wisdom concerning how to ease the need to scratch or 

>how to hasten these pesky hives away.



>Thanks!



>PS. They seem to have been brought on by a food allergy/reaction. Yes, 

>the food has not seen my stove or lips or tummy since :)



Hey, great!  You have some idea what caused this!



First the bad news

==================

it takes awhile (yes, days or even a week) for such a 

reaction to fully subside.



Soothing baths - oatmeal, chamomile, comfrey - can be very helpful.  A paste 

of baking soda applied directly to the hive can help - but can also cause skin 

irritation in some folks.



Calladryl lotion will also help relieve itching.  Oral antihistimines may or 

may not help, and I don't know how you feel about using them.



Ephedra & it's OTC cousin Sudafed are sometimes presented as useful in 

allergies, and sometimes they are.  But they aren't useful for this sort of 

reaction.





Now the good news

==================

You can avoid this reaction again by simply NEVER eating that offending food 

again.



However.... you didn't say what it was.  If it's something like, say... 

parsnips you can probably avoid them without a whole lot of trouble.  If it's 

something like say... wheat you've got more of a challenge.



Some foods (such as wheat, corn, and dairy) can "hide" in hundreds of other 

foods like frozen dinners, ice cream, stews, and so on.  If you know what set 

you off, keep an eye out for it so you can avoid it.  Food allergies can 

rapidly become more serious with each exposure so be careful!



Hope you're feeling better.



========================================================================

                  |

>---Broomstick--- |         Any Day Above Ground Is a Good Day

                  |

========================================================================









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: halting itches/hives

From: meadow1@ix.netcom.com(MEADOW WOODY)

Date: 21 Sep 1996 17:36:24 GMT



>From: Rachel Gholson <rgholson@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

>>Subject: halting itches/hives

>>Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:20:46 -0230

>

>

>>Having just had my first attack of hives a week ago and still having

>>to fight the urge to scratch those remaining few...I wonder if anyone

>>has some helpful herbal wisdom concerning how to ease the need to

>>scratch or how to hasten these pesky hives away.

>

>>Thanks!

>

>>PS. They seem to have been brought on by a food allergy/reaction.

>>Yes, the food has not seen my stove or lips or tummy since :)



For itching I use a homeopathic remedy called Ssting Sstop that I buy

at a health food store.  It works *very* well.  I get itchiness on my

face (I go through about one facial cleanser per year--after a while I

get this reaction to them) and it just takes it right away. 



Meadow



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: mouth sores

From: Laurie Bayer <lbayer@sover.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:40:41 -0400



Just a quick post...my 9-year old has had sores in her mouth for about 3 

days. She had them previously (about 2 years ago). My sister had them at 

her age. The only other symptom she is displaying is stomach ache at 

bedtime. I suspect starting a new school and new schedule (she is very 

sensitive) is the culprit, but the fact remains that she is miserable 

and needs help. Someone suggested Lysine, 1500mg/day. She started 

yesterday splitting 2 caps of 500mg and mixing with club soda to get it 

down, but she hates it and is having trouble ingesting it.



Any other suggestions? Could you please send them (or copy me) e-mail? 

Thanks. (P.S., If you would like to address her directly [she would love 

it] please write her at redwall@sover.net).



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mouth sores

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 15:39:38 GMT



On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:40:41 -0400, Laurie Bayer <lbayer@sover.net> wrote:



>Just a quick post...my 9-year old has had sores in her mouth for about 3 

>days. She had them previously (about 2 years ago). My sister had them at 

>her age. The only other symptom she is displaying is stomach ache at 

>bedtime. 



Both stomach aches and canker sores can be symptoms of gluten intolerance.

I highly suggest getting tested for this hereditary disorder.



I have several articles on canker sores. Here's one that I have not yet

posted to this group. I'll privately e-mail you the one from the Rosenvold

book (which makes an even stronger connection with gluten). Don.





"Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine" by Michael Murray, ND and Joseph

Pizzorno, ND, Prima Publishing, 1995, ISBN 1-55958-092-5 (hard cover); ISBN

1-55958-091-7 (pbk.) (they also wrote "A Textbook of Natural Medicine")



From: Chapter 56, pages 425-427:



MOUTH ULCERS

* Single or clustered shallow painful ulcers found anywhere in the oral

cavity

* Lesions are from 1 to 15 mm in diameter, have fairly even bordered, are

surrounded by a reddened border and are often covered by a white membrane.

* Lesions usually resolve in 7 to 21 days, but are recurrent in many

people.



General Considerations

----------------------

Recurrent canker sores, mouth ulcers of aphthous stomatitis is an extremely

common condition, estimated to affect 20 percent of the population. the

cause of recurrent canker sores, based on studies of initiating factors,

appears to be related to food sensitivities, stress and nutritional

deficiency.





Therapy

-------

Food and environmental allergens



The oral cavity is, obviously, the first site of contact for ingested, and

many inhaled allergens.. The association of recurrent mouth ulcers with

increased serum antibodies to food antigens suggests an allergic reation is

involved. Furthermore, allergic antibody-bearing lymphocytes are

significantly increased in mouth ulcers and mast cells are increased in

tissue sections from prodromal stages of recurrent ulcers. Mast cell

release of histamine and other inflamatory particles play an imporant role

in the production of a mouth ulcer. A diet eliminating allergens has been

shown to have good theraputic results.



Stress



Stress is often a precipitating factor in recurrent mouth ulcers,

suggesting a breakdown in normal host protective factors. Stress greatly

increases the development of allergies..



Nutritional Deficiency



A study of 330 patients with recurrent mouth ulcers found that 14.2% were

deficient in iron, folate or vitamin B12, or a combination of these

nutrients. When these patients' deficiencies were corrected by

supplementation, the majority had complete remission. Other studies have

shown similar deficiency rates for the same nutrients and equally good

response to supplementation.



Zinc supplementation has also been shown to be effective in some patients

(particularly those with low serum zinc levels.)



Gluten Sensitivity



The incidence of recurrent mouth ulcers is increased in patients with

coeliac disease, a condition caused by sensitivity to wheat gluten. Biopsy

of the small intestine in 33 patients with recurrent mouth ulcers showed

eight to have the intestinal damage of coeliac disease, along with signs of

allergic reactions to food antigens. The remaining patients also exhibited

these types of signs, but to a lesser degree.



An underlying gluten sensitivity would also contribute to nutritional

deficiencies. Withdrawing gluten from the diet results in complete

remission of recurrent mouth ulcers in patients with coeliac disease and

usually some improvement in the rest of the patients.



Flavonoids



Several flavonoids are known to inhibit mast cell degranulation, basophil

histamine release and the formation of other mediators of inflammation. The

anti-allergy drug di-sodium cromogylcate, a compound very similar in

structure and function to the flavonoids, has been shown to be effective in

the treatment of recurrent mouth ulcers, resulting in an increase in the

number of ulcer-free days and in mild symptomatic relief. Several

flavonoids, including quercetin, acacetin, apigenin, chrysin and phloretin

have also shown anti-allergy effects similar to disodium cromoglycate.



Treatment



The data described above suggests that no single factor is solely

responsible for the initiation of mouth ulcers in any specific individual.

The therapeutic approach to mouth ulcers is similar to that in other

diseases with an allergy basis. Foremost is the recognition and control of

allergens, particularly gluten. In addition, nutrient deficiencies need to

be corrected and anti-inflamatory nutrients prescribed.



Diet



The diet should be low in animal products, high in complex carbohydrates

and free of known allergens and all gluten sources (wheat, oats and

barley).



Supplements



*Vitamin c, 1 g per day

*Zinc (picolinate), 25 mg per day

*Multiple vitamin and mineral, one to five times the recommended dietary

allowance

*Mixed Bioflavonoids, 1 g per day



References



1.  Little, J.W., "Food allergens and basophil histamine release in

recurrent aphthos stomatitis", Oral Surgery, 1982, 54, pp. 388-395.

2.  Ship, I.I., Merritt, A.D., and Stanley, H.R., "Recurrent aphthous

ulcers", Am. J. Med., 1962, 32, pp. 32-43.

3.  Wray, D., Ferguson, M.M., Mason, D.K., et al., "Recurrent aphthae:

treatment with vitamin B12, folic acid and iron", Br. Med. J., 1975, 2, pp.

490-3.

4.  Wray, D.W., Ferguson, M.M., Hutcheon, A.W. and Dagg, J.H.,

"Nutritional deficiencies in recurrent aphthae", J. Oral. Path., 1978, 7,

pp. 418-23.

5.  Thomas, H.C., Ferguson, A., McLennan, J.G. and Mason, D.K., "Food

antibodies in oral disease: a study of serum antibodies to feed proteins in

aphthous ulceration and other oral diseases", J. Clin. Path., 1973, 26, pp.

371-4.

6.  Wilson, C.W.M., "Food sensitivities, taste changes, aphthous ulcers

and atopic symptoms in allergic disease", Ann. Allergy, 1980, 44, pp.

302-7.

7.  Rays, R.A., Hamerlinck, F. and Cormane, R.H., "Immunoglobulin-bearing

lymphocytes and polymorphonuclear leukocytes in recurrent aphthous ulcers

in man", Arch. Oral. Biol., 1977, 22, pp. 147-53.

8.  Lehner, T., "Pathology of recurrent oral ulceration and oral

ulceration in Behcet's syndrome: light, electron and florescence

microscopy", J. Path., 1969, 97, pp. 481-3.

9.  Hay, K.D. and Reade, P.C., "The use of an elimination diet in the

treatment of recurrent aphthous ulcerations of the oral cavity", Oral

Surg., 1984, 57, pp. 504-7.

10. Ferguson, R., Bashu, M.K., Asquith, P. and Cooke, W.T., "Jenjunal

mucosal abnormalities in patients with recurrent aphthous ulceration", Br.

Med. J., 1975, 1, pp. 11-13.

11. Ferguson, M.M., Wray, D., Carmichael, H.A., et al., "Coeliac

disease associated with recurrent aphthae", Gut, 1980, 21, pp. 223-6.

12. Wray, D., "Gluten-sensitive recurrent aphthous stomatitis", Dig.

Dis. Sci., 1981, 26, pp. 737-40.

13. Walker, D.M., Rhodes, J., Llewelyn, J., et al., "Gluten

hypersensitivity in recurrent aphthous ulceration", J. Dent. Res., 1979, 58

(Special Issue C), p 1,271.

14. Pearce, F.L., Befus, A.D., and Bienenstock, J., "Mucosal mast cells

III: effect of quercetin and other flavonoids on antigen-induced histamine

secretion from rat intestinal mast cells", J. Allergy Clin. Immunol., 1984,

73, pp. 819-23.

15. Busse, W.W., Kopp, D.E. and Middleton, E., "Flavonoid modulation of

human neutrophil function", J. Allergy Clin. Immunol., 1984, 73, pp. 801-9.

16. Kowolik, M.J., Muir, K.F. and MacPhee, I.T., "Di-sodium cromogylcate

in the treatment of recurrent aphthous ulceration", Br. Dent. J., 1978,

144, pp. 384-9.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: lbayer@sover.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mouth sores

From: Ras Richard I <0246021@nt.com>

Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:20:36 GMT



This will actualy work in 3 days or less.. put some dry powdered alum on 

the sores 2 times daily.



Peace and Love



Ras Richard I







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mouth sores

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 20:11:16 GMT



In article <323F5319.4001@sover.net>, Laurie Bayer <lbayer@sover.net> wrote:

>Just a quick post...my 9-year old has had sores in her mouth for about 3 

>days. She had them previously (about 2 years ago). My sister had them at 

>her age. The only other symptom she is displaying is stomach ache at 

>bedtime. I suspect starting a new school and new schedule (she is very 

>sensitive) is the culprit, but the fact remains that she is miserable 

>and needs help. Someone suggested Lysine, 1500mg/day. She started 

>yesterday splitting 2 caps of 500mg and mixing with club soda to get it 

>down, but she hates it and is having trouble ingesting it.

>

>Any other suggestions? Could you please send them (or copy me) e-mail? 

>Thanks. (P.S., If you would like to address her directly [she would love 

>it] please write her at redwall@sover.net).



I have found myrrh tincture the best thing for this.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: PAIN FREE HELP FINDING DOCS

From: PainLaw <PainLaw@jnpcs.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:54:12 -0400



Anyone who has been affected by the loss of Dr.Hurwitz and has had to 

suffer because of not being able to find a doctor or once finding one 

treats you like a drug abuser or have other horror stories. Please help 

it won't cost you anything but an email to the following address 

cbnt43A@prodigy.com. Dr.Hurwitz's lawyers are gathering affidavits so as 

to sue the state. Please if you are in need of help finding a doc in the 

meantime I am out here. I am Susan (703)256-PAIN I post these messages 

for doctors who treat chronic pain and work for free, so if you need 

help reach out. Pain is not worth dying over! There is an answer and the 

ball is rolling down the hill picking up speed. You will see if we all 

stay strong together that pain modulation will become a civil right. The 

best time to call me is between 12-4pm mon-wed or 9-10pm 7 days a week. 

You can call up to about 10pm and if the phone rings more than three 

times the machine picks up and I am not around, So save your dime. I am 

on EST for others across the USA.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Inflammatory Bowel Diseases

From: heron@cybernex.net

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:34:35 -0400



Hi,



I'd appreciate any info (even rumors) regarding IBDs and herbs, especially

regarding Crohns.  My brother was recently diagnosed and is not doing so

great right now.



I'm wondering whether herbs for other inflammatory diseases might apply here.



thanks in advance. pls email too.



-- 

cori

heron@cybernex.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Inflammatory Bowel Diseases

From: "C. Jayne Stevens" <gypsyjayne@enterprise.net>

Date: 28 Sep 1996 18:46:13 GMT



Slippery Elm bark is soothing, and binding.  It isn't a cure though.

-- 

C. Jayne Stevens.

Bedfordshire, England.

gypsyjayne@enterprise.net



. . . at least the wheels go round . . .



Peter Margolin <pmargoln@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us> wrote in article

<51ul83$6gg@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us>...

: heron@cybernex.net wrote:

: : Hi,

: : I'd appreciate any info (even rumors) regarding IBDs and herbs,

especially

snipped



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cayenne

From: radray5@aol.com (RADRAY5)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 03:07:21 -0400



Does anyone have good info on the anti-inflammatory effects of cayenne.

I'm talking about taking it internally. I also saw recommendations for

it's pain killing abilities also internally although I am familliar with

those effects when used externally.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: use of herbal meds

From: ap391@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Ball)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 11:07:05 GMT











>y collegue and I are pharmacy students writing a paper on the use of



>erbal medicines for the treatment of gastrointestinal disorders such as



>onstipation, dyspepsia, ulcers, and anti-inflammatory conditions such



>s colitis.  We would like to hear about any positive or negative



>xperiences from anyone who currently use or have used any herbal



>roduct for the treatment of any of the disorders listed above.  We



>ould greatly appreciate any information you have to share.  We want to



>valuate the current use(s) of such products as alternative medicines.







How about peppermint for iteratble bowel? One pill in the middle of the



night and that feeling of "I GOTTA go now" disappears. I've had IBS for



10 years and this is the FIRST thing that I've tryed that actually



keeps it under control. I'm still taking the standard medicene and



Metamucil but they only partially controlled it. I've been using the



peppermint for about 3 weeks now and it's working great.







There is also a Sinus & Cold Relief herbal forulma that contains



about 15-20 herbs. I don't know about cold relief but it's doing



good stuff for my sinuses. I've had drainage into my throat for 15



years or more that has slowly dragged my immune system down.  10 drops



of this 3 times a day and my nose stays dry without the side affects



that I was getting from other "standard" and prescription medicenes.







Bill Ball











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: living with air pollution?

From: sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 12:52:58 -0400





I live in a suburb of Boston which has become more industrialized (and

hence polluted) over the last 15 years.  I know I'm sensitive to the

smog because my nose is chronically stuffy, I get more sinus

infections, and now I have asthma too.  (My symptoms are lessened when

I go to less polluted areas--say on business or vacation--so I know

I'm sensitive to the local air pollution.)



Are there any treatments, herbs, etc. that can lower one's sensitivity

to air pollution?







-- 

Steven D. Litvintchouk		        "There seems to be no mainframe

Email:  sdl@mitre.org  		         explanation for the PC world 

Disclaimer:  As far as I am aware,       in which we're living."

the opinions expressed herein	  	      -- President Bill Clinton

are not those of my employer.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: living with air pollution?

From: altenrgy@ix.netcom.com(Peter M. Blackman)

Date: 24 Sep 1996 04:06:20 GMT



In <o4ad8zjvk7p.fsf@rigel.mitre.org> sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D.

Litvintchouk) writes: 

>

>

>I live in a suburb of Boston which has become more industrialized (and

>hence polluted) over the last 15 years.  I know I'm sensitive to the

>smog because my nose is chronically stuffy, I get more sinus

>infections, and now I have asthma too.  (My symptoms are lessened when

>I go to less polluted areas--say on business or vacation--so I know

>I'm sensitive to the local air pollution.)

>

>Are there any treatments, herbs, etc. that can lower one's sensitivity

>to air pollution?

>

>

>

>-- 

>Steven D. Litvintchouk		        "There seems to be no

mainframe

>Email:  sdl@mitre.org  		         explanation for the PC world



>Disclaimer:  As far as I am aware,       in which we're living."

>the opinions expressed herein	  	      -- President Bill

Clinton

>are not those of my employer.

The following may or may not work for you.  I live in the southwestern

part of the country in a large very poluted metropolitan area and use

to have the same problem.  My nose was always stuffy.  I always had

conjestion. 

 I changed my diet.  I did not change my diet to get rid of the

conjestion, but I changed my diet because I read a book that convinced

me to become a vegetarian.  I try also not to use dairy products. 

Although I have yog

art and cheese on occasion, I have not had a glass of milk in 4 years. 

You may be able to continue eating meat.  Just drop milk for starters. 

If that does not work, cut back on meat and increase your intake of

fresh veggies.  Take vitamins, etc.  or try being a vegetarian for a

month with no dairy products then slowly add different things and see

what happens.  You should see a difference in about a week.

                Pete Blackman



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: living with air pollution?

From: "PJB" <wtmmc@hal-pc.org>

Date: 24 Sep 1996 23:56:17 GMT



I want to second the suggestion.  Eliminating milk & milk products makes a

BIG difference.  Reducing or eliminating red meat also seems to help. 

Increase your Vitamin C intake to help your body compensate.



Peter M. Blackman <altenrgy@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article

<527mns$imf@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>...

> In <o4ad8zjvk7p.fsf@rigel.mitre.org> sdl@linus.mitre.org (Steven D.

> Litvintchouk) writes: 

> >

> >

> >I live in a suburb of Boston which has become more industrialized (and

> >hence polluted) over the last 15 years.  I know I'm sensitive to the

> >smog because my nose is chronically stuffy, I get more sinus

> >infections, and now I have asthma too.  (My symptoms are lessened when

> >I go to less polluted areas--say on business or vacation--so I know

> >I'm sensitive to the local air pollution.)

> >

> >Are there any treatments, herbs, etc. that can lower one's sensitivity

> >to air pollution?

> >

> >

> >

> >-- 

> >Steven D. Litvintchouk		        "There seems to be no

> mainframe

> >Email:  sdl@mitre.org  		         explanation for the PC world

> 

> >Disclaimer:  As far as I am aware,       in which we're living."

> >the opinions expressed herein	  	      -- President Bill

> Clinton

> >are not those of my employer.

> The following may or may not work for you.  I live in the southwestern

> part of the country in a large very poluted metropolitan area and use

> to have the same problem.  My nose was always stuffy.  I always had

> conjestion. 

>  I changed my diet.  I did not change my diet to get rid of the

> conjestion, but I changed my diet because I read a book that convinced

> me to become a vegetarian.  I try also not to use dairy products. 

> Although I have yog

> art and cheese on occasion, I have not had a glass of milk in 4 years. 

> You may be able to continue eating meat.  Just drop milk for starters. 

> If that does not work, cut back on meat and increase your intake of

> fresh veggies.  Take vitamins, etc.  or try being a vegetarian for a

> month with no dairy products then slowly add different things and see

> what happens.  You should see a difference in about a week.

>                 Pete Blackman

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: living with air pollution?

From: frew@sans.vuw.ac.nz (Allan David Frew)

Date: 25 Sep 1996 22:51:29 GMT



Steven D. Litvintchouk (sdl@linus.mitre.org) wrote:



: I live in a suburb of Boston which has become more industrialized (and

: hence polluted) over the last 15 years.  I know I'm sensitive to the

: smog because my nose is chronically stuffy, I get more sinus

: infections, and now I have asthma too.  (My symptoms are lessened when

: I go to less polluted areas--say on business or vacation--so I know

: I'm sensitive to the local air pollution.)



: Are there any treatments, herbs, etc. that can lower one's sensitivity

: to air pollution?



A lot of people I know have tried garlic and have success because it

builds up your immune system. Of cause I wouldn't know because I live in

New Zealand and there isn't much air pollution here!



Frew







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: living with air pollution?

From: boardman@SUNDIAL.NET (CraigBoardman)

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 10:00:52 GMT



In article <52cd1h$2eg@totara.its.vuw.ac.nz>,

   frew@sans.vuw.ac.nz (Allan David Frew) wrote:

>Steven D. Litvintchouk (sdl@linus.mitre.org) wrote:

>

>: I live in a suburb of Boston which has become more industrialized (and

>: hence polluted) over the last 15 years.  I know I'm sensitive to the

>: smog because my nose is chronically stuffy, I get more sinus

>: infections, and now I have asthma too.  (My symptoms are lessened when

>: I go to less polluted areas--say on business or vacation--so I know

>: I'm sensitive to the local air pollution.)

>

>: Are there any treatments, herbs, etc. that can lower one's sensitivity

>: to air pollution?

>

>A lot of people I know have tried garlic and have success because it

>builds up your immune system. Of cause I wouldn't know because I live in

>New Zealand and there isn't much air pollution here!

>

>Frew

>

>

You need to keep your antioxidant level high to deal with air pollution. We 

deal with several potent antioxidants which are easy to take and safe. Drop me 

a line for more information.



====================================

Craig Boardman

boardman@sundial.net

http://www.nethomes.com/alter.health

====================================



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: living with air pollution?

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 14:16:08 -0700



boardman@SUNDIAL.NET (CraigBoardman) wrote:



>In article <52cd1h$2eg@totara.its.vuw.ac.nz>,

>   frew@sans.vuw.ac.nz (Allan David Frew) wrote:

>>Steven D. Litvintchouk (sdl@linus.mitre.org) wrote:

>>

>>: I live in a suburb of Boston which has become more industrialized (and

>>: hence polluted) over the last 15 years.  I know I'm sensitive to the

>>: smog because my nose is chronically stuffy, I get more sinus

>>: infections, and now I have asthma too.  (My symptoms are lessened when

>>: I go to less polluted areas--say on business or vacation--so I know

>>: I'm sensitive to the local air pollution.)

>>

>>: Are there any treatments, herbs, etc. that can lower one's sensitivity

>>: to air pollution?

>>

>>A lot of people I know have tried garlic and have success because it

>>builds up your immune system. Of cause I wouldn't know because I live in

>>New Zealand and there isn't much air pollution here!

>>

>>Frew

>>

>>

>You need to keep your antioxidant level high to deal with air pollution. We 

>deal with several potent antioxidants which are easy to take and safe. Drop me 

>a line for more information.



>====================================

>Craig Boardman

>boardman@sundial.net

>http://www.nethomes.com/alter.health

>====================================

stinging nettles will dry-up your nose/sinuses etc. I use this in

Phoenix with great success.  (Phoenix is located in a valley where the

dirty air hangs around for months!)

Vit. E will help  the lining of the nose/sinuses

I also take grape seed extract.  

good luck.  we're killing ourselves and the planet equally!

susan in Phx.  phokt@primenet.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: living with air pollution?

From: 90 Earth <earth@generation.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:12:22 -0400



Steven D. Litvintchouk wrote:

> 

> I live in a suburb of Boston which has become more industrialized (and

> hence polluted) over the last 15 years.  I know I'm sensitive to the

> smog because my nose is chronically stuffy, I get more sinus

> infections, and now I have asthma too.  (My symptoms are lessened when

> I go to less polluted areas--say on business or vacation--so I know

> I'm sensitive to the local air pollution.)

> 

> Are there any treatments, herbs, etc. that can lower one's sensitivity

> to air pollution?

> 

> --

> Steven D. Litvintchouk                  "There seems to be no mainframe

> Email:  sdl@mitre.org                    explanation for the PC world

> Disclaimer:  As far as I am aware,       in which we're living."

> the opinions expressed herein                 -- President Bill Clinton

> are not those of my employer.

I have heard of a new product called Sanuvox. It is a Montreal based

company that uses UV light to purify the air. Because it purifies the

air to @ 95%  (for both toxic and chemical contaminants) it can be a

great help to people with asthma , Multiple chemical sensitivity, small

children.... If anyone has any info. please sendit to me.

Thanks, Eric



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: native florida herbs (southern)

From: p010300b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Catherine Ann Glucksmann)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:10:36 GMT



I am seeking information about herbs and edible plants that are 

indigenous to southeast florida. I have several books related to the 

subject,but what i am really looking for is a more hands-on approach.

If you or someone you know is knowledgeable in this area please email or 

call me at 561 659 3082 ask for ann. 







Catherine Ann Glucksmann

p010300b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Smoking herbs

From: booth@nfx.net (D.booth)

Date: 18 Sep 1996 23:33:12 GMT



	I'm looking for the best smoking herb mixtures that can sub for 

tobacco and marijuana. Any help?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smoking herbs

From: dennis@rapidcity.com

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:24:23 GMT



	booth@nfx.net (D.booth) wrote:



>	I'm looking for the best smoking herb mixtures that can sub for 

>tobacco and marijuana. Any help?



These are most commonly mixed with regular smoking tobacco, but the

leaves of most of them can be smoked alone as a nicotine-free tobacco

substitute.  Those marked with a * are additives for flavor or aroma:

	*Bearberry, Buck Bean, Chervil, coltsfoot, *corn silk, *cubebs,

dittany, evergreen sumac, *field mint, hawthorn, *licorice, life

everlasting, manzanita, milfoil, mugwort, pearly everlasting, rock

rose, rosemary, sage, sumac, *sweet flag root, *sweet gum balsam,

*wild marjoram, *wild vanilla, *woodruff, *yellow melilot, yerba

santa.  (Taken from The Herb Book by John Lust)

	dennis@rapidnet.com







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for eczema

From: bersvendsen@nsd.uib.no (Yngve Bersvendsen)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:44:27 +1000



Hi everybody



I have used some books to try to find out what can be useful for eczema wounds 

treatment. I found one, based on dr. Vogel:



In the morning:  Molkosan and Urticalcin. Keep the wound moist. A little 

St.John's wort oil.



In the evening: Molkosan once more, use some Bioforce Cream and 

St. John's wort oil.





Another alternative is based on dr. Rudolf Weiss, and he mention oak 

bark as a good remedy for eczema. Someone who has tried it?





Is there some kind people who can , or who has any constructive comments 

about this, I would be VERY glad.



Of cause I am aware about changing the diet, finding the allergen etc





Regards,



Yngve Bersvendsen





















_____________________  _____________________

Name:               Yngve Bersvendsen

E-mail:               Bersvendsen@nsd.uib.no

Phone:               55-582613

Fax:                     55-580660

Adr.:                    Norwegian Social Science Data Service,

                            Hans Holmboes gate 22, 5007 Bergen, Norway

WWW:                http://www.uib.no/nsd/

_____________________  _____________________ 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for eczema

From: dennis@rapidcity.com

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:26:15 GMT



bersvendsen@nsd.uib.no (Yngve Bersvendsen) wrote:



>Hi everybody



>I have used some books to try to find out what can be useful for eczema wounds 

>treatment. I found one, based on dr. Vogel:



>In the morning:  Molkosan and Urticalcin. Keep the wound moist. A little 

>St.John's wort oil.



>In the evening: Molkosan once more, use some Bioforce Cream and 

>St. John's wort oil.





>Another alternative is based on dr. Rudolf Weiss, and he mention oak 

>bark as a good remedy for eczema. Someone who has tried it?





>Is there some kind people who can , or who has any constructive comments 

>about this, I would be VERY glad.



>Of cause I am aware about changing the diet, finding the allergen etc





>Regards,



>Yngve Bersvendsen





Here's a tea I found for skin troubles, acne, eczema, and bad

complexion:

	Witch grass root

	Elecampane root

	Juniper berries

	Ground ivy

	Elder leaves and flowers

Mix in equal parts.  Steep in 1 tsp. in 1/2 cup boiling-hot water.

Take 1/2 to 1 cup daily, unsweetened in mouthful doses.  Take daily

over an extended period.

	dennis@rapidnet.com

















>_____________________  _____________________

>Name:               Yngve Bersvendsen

>E-mail:               Bersvendsen@nsd.uib.no

>Phone:               55-582613

>Fax:                     55-580660

>Adr.:                    Norwegian Social Science Data Service,

>                            Hans Holmboes gate 22, 5007 Bergen, Norway

>WWW:                http://www.uib.no/nsd/

>_____________________  _____________________ 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Malanga root

From: "Michael J. Pfeffer" <mpfeffer@novia.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 21:29:06 -0700



I am interested in recipes involving/usages for malanga root.  I recently

purchased some, but have no idea what to do with the thing (it sure

is ugly!).  E-mail, please.



Thank you,



Michael John Pfeffer



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Acne  question

From: Greg <gregs@ns.gold-link.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:15:50 -0400



I am looking to add a blood purifier to my diet to combat my acne.

Does anyone recommend either goldenseal or echinacea or some other

product that is effective?





greg



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Acne  question

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 19:28:27 GMT



In article <3240D706.19D@ns.gold-link.com>,

   Greg <gregs@ns.gold-link.com> wrote:

>I am looking to add a blood purifier to my diet to combat my acne.

>Does anyone recommend either goldenseal or echinacea or some other

>product that is effective?

>

>

>greg



Greg, I would use the echinacea over the goldenseal,it's safer and probably 

more effective.Save goldenseal for uses more specific to that herb as it's 

being harvested at an alarming rate.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Acne  question

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 03:23:53 GMT



Greg <gregs@ns.gold-link.com> wrote:



>I am looking to add a blood purifier to my diet to combat my acne.

>Does anyone recommend either goldenseal or echinacea or some other

>product that is effective?



Burdock is considered among the best purifiers.  It can be puchased

in capsules at the herb shop, and sometimes by the whole root at the

farmer's market.  It is also a common weed that you can harvest

yourself.  Red clover is good, too. And echinacea would not hurt

to possibly control bacteria.  A good single product to cleanse is

Nature's Herbs Red Clover combination.  Burdock is the second

ingredient, and it has many others that are useful.  It is available

at herb shops for about $7 per 100 capsules.



turf









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: stevia

From: Pickleman <wrp2@axe.humboldt.edu>

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 22:51:45 -0700



heya,

	I tried making some stevia tea and it was pretty shitty.  It had 

a lot of body, was somewhat sweet, and slightly bitter all at the same 

time.  Maybe it takes some getting used to.  Maybe I screwed up.  Maybe 

that weed wasn't stevia at all(maybe I should smoke it).

	Does anybody know how to use stevia as a sweetener?  I want to 

sweeten tea and/or juice with it.  Thanks a whole hell of a lot for any 

help you can offer.



The Pickleman



...I dress this way so that nobody will ever ask,  

	"Excuse me, but do you work here?"









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: stevia

From: joyce@mcs.com (Joyce)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 07:09:14 GMT



See http:www.mcs.net/~joyce/stevia.html



Liquid concentrate stevia 1 drop will sweeten a cup or glass of beverage.

It tastes fine this way.







In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960918224625.17145G-100000@axe.humboldt.edu>, Pickleman <wrp2@axe.humboldt.edu> says:

>

>heya,

>        I tried making some stevia tea and it was pretty shitty.  It had 

>a lot of body, was somewhat sweet, and slightly bitter all at the same 

>time.  Maybe it takes some getting used to.  Maybe I screwed up.  Maybe 

>that weed wasn't stevia at all(maybe I should smoke it).

>        Does anybody know how to use stevia as a sweetener?  I want to 

>sweeten tea and/or juice with it.  Thanks a whole hell of a lot for any 

>help you can offer.

>

>The Pickleman

>

>...I dress this way so that nobody will ever ask,  

>        "Excuse me, but do you work here?"

>

>

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: vitamins/herbs...

From: pmcavoy@cyberspc.mb.ca (M. McAvoy)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 06:26:59 GMT





Does anyone have any opinion as to what vitamins and/or herbs, etc...

would be beneficial in helping to control or prevent acne flare-ups 

around one's period?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Melantonin?

From: bishko@cs.sfu.ca (Leslie Bishko)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 00:10:53 -0700



Hi Folks,

I'm sure this thread has been here before, but I'm a new reader.

And a tired one - just can't get any zzzzz's lately!  Can anyone

send some pro's and con's on melantonin my way?



I want to sleep!

-- 

Leslie Bishko

Graphics and Multi-Media Research Lab

Centre for Systems Science

Simon Fraser University

Burnaby B.C. V5A 1S6 Canada

604 291-3610, fax-4424

bishko@cs.sfu.ca

http://fas.sfu.ca/~bishko/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melantonin?

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:00:13 GMT



bishko@cs.sfu.ca (Leslie Bishko) wrote these amazing words:



>Hi Folks,

>I'm sure this thread has been here before, but I'm a new reader.

>And a tired one - just can't get any zzzzz's lately!  Can anyone

>send some pro's and con's on melantonin my way?



>I want to sleep!

>-- 

Leslie...it depends on how old you are.  People forty yrs to 50 should

only take half of a 3 mg. sublingual tablet. Over 50 I believe it is a

whole 3 mg tablet. Under 40, don't mess with it.  Have you tried

chamomile tea? Or ...warm water, honey, and extracts of ...red clover,

lobelia, just a tad of lobelia, valerian, licorice and drink it down.

Or make a combo of any of your favorite sedative herbs.



J





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melantonin?

From: caroleraymond@juno.com (Carole Raymond)

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:39:30 GMT



JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well) wrote:





>Leslie...it depends on how old you are.  People forty yrs to 50 should

>only take half of a 3 mg. sublingual tablet. Over 50 I believe it is a

>whole 3 mg tablet. Under 40, don't mess with it.  Have you tried

>chamomile tea? Or ...warm water, honey, and extracts of ...red clover,

>lobelia, just a tad of lobelia, valerian, licorice and drink it down.

>Or make a combo of any of your favorite sedative herbs.



I'm under 40 and Melatonin has worked very well for me for nearly a

year.



Carole









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melantonin?

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 11:51:58 -0500







On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Jacob's Well wrote:



> bishko@cs.sfu.ca (Leslie Bishko) wrote these amazing words:

> 

> >Hi Folks,

> >I'm sure this thread has been here before, but I'm a new reader.

> >And a tired one - just can't get any zzzzz's lately!  Can anyone

> >send some pro's and con's on melantonin my way?

> 

> >I want to sleep!

> >-- 

> Leslie...it depends on how old you are.  People forty yrs to 50 should

> only take half of a 3 mg. sublingual tablet. Over 50 I believe it is a

> whole 3 mg tablet. Under 40, don't mess with it.  Have you tried

> chamomile tea? Or ...warm water, honey, and extracts of ...red clover,

> lobelia, just a tad of lobelia, valerian, licorice and drink it down.

> Or make a combo of any of your favorite sedative herbs.

> 

> J

> 

> 

> 

I don't think there is any magic in the number 40. What I have read says 

that "as we approach 40" the pinal gland slows and eventually stops 

producing melatonin. 



The only "don't mess with it" I can find is children - especially babies. 

They make mega amounts of melatonin and don't need any more. 



While there are other things that will induce sleep, I would put melatonin 

right at the top of my list. 



FWIW

Cissy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melantonin?

From: j.freind@worldnet.att.net

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:22:28 GMT



"Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:







>On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Jacob's Well wrote:



>> bishko@cs.sfu.ca (Leslie Bishko) wrote these amazing words:

>> 

>> >Hi Folks,

>> >I'm sure this thread has been here before, but I'm a new reader.

>> >And a tired one - just can't get any zzzzz's lately!  Can anyone

>> >send some pro's and con's on melantonin my way?

>> 

>> >I want to sleep!

>> >-- 

>> Leslie...it depends on how old you are.  People forty yrs to 50 should

>> only take half of a 3 mg. sublingual tablet. Over 50 I believe it is a

>> whole 3 mg tablet. Under 40, don't mess with it.  Have you tried

>> chamomile tea? Or ...warm water, honey, and extracts of ...red clover,

>> lobelia, just a tad of lobelia, valerian, licorice and drink it down.

>> Or make a combo of any of your favorite sedative herbs.

>> 

>> J

>> 

>> 

>> 

>I don't think there is any magic in the number 40. What I have read says 

>that "as we approach 40" the pinal gland slows and eventually stops 

>producing melatonin. 



>The only "don't mess with it" I can find is children - especially babies. 

>They make mega amounts of melatonin and don't need any more. 



>While there are other things that will induce sleep, I would put melatonin 

>right at the top of my list. 



>FWIW

>Cissy

I have been using melantonin for about a year. I have not slept better

since I was in my early 30s.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melantonin?

From: Mielikki@sys259.chatlink.com

Date: 28 Sep 1996 09:36:02 PST



JW>bishko@cs.sfu.ca (Leslie Bishko) wrote these amazing words:



JW>>Hi Folks,

JW>>I'm sure this thread has been here before, but I'm a new reader.

JW>>And a tired one - just can't get any zzzzz's lately!  Can anyone

JW>>send some pro's and con's on melantonin my way?



JW>>I want to sleep!

JW>>--

JW>Leslie...it depends on how old you are.  People forty yrs to 50 should

JW>only take half of a 3 mg. sublingual tablet. Over 50 I believe it is a

JW>whole 3 mg tablet. Under 40, don't mess with it.  Have you tried

JW>chamomile tea? Or ...warm water, honey, and extracts of ...red clover,

JW>lobelia, just a tad of lobelia, valerian, licorice and drink it down.

JW>Or make a combo of any of your favorite sedative herbs.



JW>J





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Why do you say under 40 shouldn't mess with it? Am curious to affects of

Melatonin also?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hops Tea

From: evoltwin@cyberden.com (evoltwin)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 10:47:11 GMT



what a nice bedtime treat.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.magick.folk,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bursitis

From: Cher <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 05:05:33 -0600





My husband has been diagnosed as having bursitis in his knees; and we

could really use some advice on herbal/folk treatments.  Also, he is in a

lot of pain.



Black Widow





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.magick.folk,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bursitis

From: "Y.K. Law (Mr.)" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 21 Sep 1996 04:05:10 GMT







Cher <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> wrote in article

<Pine.A32.3.93.960919050335.21478L-100000@srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca>...

having bursitis in his knees

on herbal/folk treatments.  

in a lot of pain.



Chinese herbalist consider bursitis related to kidney and liver or Wetness.

 To find proof, please check the color of his urine to be very deep yellow.

 Lots of pain may hint that it is sthenia syndrome ( caused by having to

much cholesteral, nutrient, etc. in the body).   Look at his tongue and

tips to see if it is very dark or deep red - kidney and liver is related to

blood.  Question the eyes, if he feel hot and dry and hazzy.

If this is the case, try not to eat any meat (beef, chicken, etc.) More

vegetables and fibre.  Drink more water, can try some Oolong tea (available

from shops selling tea).  Sorry, I cannot recommend herbs without further

information.

yklaw 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.magick.folk,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bursitis

From: toast@noname.org (Wandering)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:53:43 GMT



"Y.K. Law (Mr.)" <yklaw@hkstar.com> wrote these amazing words:

>Cher <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> wrote in article

><Pine.A32.3.93.960919050335.21478L-100000@srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca>...

>having bursitis in his knees

>on herbal/folk treatments.  

>in a lot of pain.



>Chinese herbalist consider bursitis related to kidney and liver or Wetness.

> To find proof, please check the color of his urine to be very deep yellow.

> Lots of pain may hint that it is sthenia syndrome ( caused by having to

>much cholesteral, nutrient, etc. in the body).   Look at his tongue and

>tips to see if it is very dark or deep red - kidney and liver is related to

>blood.  



Hmmm. I was taught that kidneys relate to water..and liver relates to

blood. Not both! I will have to go back and see what the book

says..<s>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Wandering <toast@noname.org>

Newsgroups: alt.magick.folk,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bursitis

From: Mr Y K Law <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 05:17:09 +0800



Wandering wrote:

> 

> "Y.K. Law (Mr.)" <yklaw@hkstar.com> wrote these amazing words:

> >Cher <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> wrote in article

> ><Pine.A32.3.93.960919050335.21478L-100000@srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca>...

> >having bursitis in his knees

> >on herbal/folk treatments.

> >in a lot of pain.

> 

> >Chinese herbalist consider bursitis related to kidney and liver or Wetness.

> > To find proof, please check the color of his urine to be very deep yellow.

> > Lots of pain may hint that it is sthenia syndrome ( caused by having to

> >much cholesteral, nutrient, etc. in the body).   Look at his tongue and

> >tips to see if it is very dark or deep red - kidney and liver is related to

> >blood.

> 

> Hmmm. I was taught that kidneys relate to water..and liver relates to

> blood. Not both! I will have to go back and see what the book

> says..<s>





Please check your books.  

Kidney is not only related to water.  According the chinese medicine

theories, Kidney is the organ controlling both urination and

defecation.  That's why Kidney asthenia will also caused urinary and/or

fecal incontinence.  Kidney is the organ contributing to the production

of blood.  That's why for certain cases,  we had to supplement the

kidney for those suffering from deficiency of blood.  Kidney is also

related to bone.  Kidney is related to lower limbs, etc.

Liver is the organ storing blood (indeed, there is some work to be done

in this factory).  Liver is related the  tendons.  Liver is related to

the eyes.  etc.

But don't worry, he are also taught that we can heal Liver and Kidney

together, unless they are suffering in contradictary conditions, for

example and infective liver and a very weak kidney.

How I think the keel should be related to Liver and Kidney is that:

Both lower limbs > Kidney

Knee > Tendons > Liver

Lower limbs > Wetness also makes pain

lots of pain > pain may be caused by sthenia causes

Herbalist think step by step and our associations limited only by facts

we can find on our patients.

Don't be restricted learning by your books.  Theory and Practice are

pushing each other further ahead.  

Y.K.LAW



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.magick.folk,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bursitis

From: Meg Wittenmyer <meg.wittenmyer@mci.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:19:01 -0600



Cher wrote:

> 

> My husband has been diagnosed as having bursitis in his knees; and we

> could really use some advice on herbal/folk treatments.  Also, he is in a

> lot of pain.

> 

> Black Widow



I just got back from a Goddess Festival in Texas and there were 

several workshops offered.  One I went to "Kitchen Herbal First 

Aid" gave me lots of info.  The woman facilitating it has 

rhematoid (sp?) arthritis and was in a wheel chair for five 

years.  When the options became intolerable she decided to take 

over her own life and began studying natural remedies.  She told 

us that most problems like bursitis and arthritis, as well as 

many others you wouldn't even believe are caused or aggrevated 

by food allergies and stress.  The first thing she did was get a 

food allergy test done and eliminate EVERYTHING for one year, 

then started reintroducing the items one at a time, watching for 

adverse reactions.  Other interesting things I learned are using 

horsetail (3 capsules 3 times a day) for some muscle damage I 

have in my thigh from a ski accident and using ginger for most 

any kind of digestive problem.  Did you know that dairy products 

are bad for you since it thickens the mucus in the body and 

makes it very hard to keep your lungs clear?  



Take care and good luck!

-- 

Meg Wittenmyer

"Writers and artists are the heart of a revolution."



http://www.nmt.edu/~dragon/rage/meg.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Cher <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca>

Newsgroups: alt.magick.folk,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bursitis

From: "Karen S. Hansen" <kshansen@naz.edu>

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:50:37 -0400



Alfralfa is one of the highest vitamin-containing herbs around.  An

essential alkaloid in the leaves works on the central nervous system

somehow to relieve minor pain.  Alfalfa is rich in calcium, phosphorus and

iron - which strengthens the bones.  Celery seed acts as a nervine in

rheumatoid arthritis.  Kelp is useful for relieving tissue inflammation

frequent in arthritis.  Queen of the Meadow root is useful for rheumatism

and joint stiffness caused by uric acid deposits.  In addition, limiting

use of caffeine products may provide added relief to rheumatoid arthritis.





Karen S. Hansen







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs for the blues

From: Felicia Bittues <feliciab@mint.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:33:38 +0000



I'm currently taking a combo of ginko, St. John's Wart, and Kava for 

mood elevation. What's the real scoop on herbal ecstacy? Does it help 

with depression or is it really just a concoction to make you high? Do 

you think the bad press is deserved? I guess what I'm getting at is 

what would folks recommend to combat depression and induce a general 

feeling of good vibes during tough times? Any advice welcome.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for the blues

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 20 Sep 1996 19:08:02 -0700



Felicia Bittues <feliciab@mint.net> wrote:

>I'm currently taking a combo of ginko, St. John's Wart, and Kava for 

>mood elevation. What's the real scoop on herbal ecstacy? Does it help 

>with depression or is it really just a concoction to make you high?

  It is ephedrine and caffiene ... both short-term stimulants and

hardly what a depressed person needs.  The high is pretty high, but

the crash is a real bummer.



  For good vibes ... try chocolate.

Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Valerian building up in system / toxic

From: dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC)

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:29:30



Re: Re: PAXIL induced insomnia...help!

 

> My preference is to take Hops & Chamomile. It's safe and dosn't 

> build up in your system as a toxin like Valerian.



     Where did you hear of this? I'm curious. I know that Valerian can

depress the CNS. However, i've never heard of it building up in your system.

Can you refer the source of this info, please? Much appreciated. ;)



D`'

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian building up in system / toxic

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 20 Sep 1996 19:14:01 -0700



dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC) wrote:



>Re: Re: PAXIL induced insomnia...help!

>> My preference is to take Hops & Chamomile. It's safe and dosn't 

>> build up in your system as a toxin like Valerian.

  Also quite effective - linden flower.



>     Where did you hear of this? I'm curious. I know that Valerian can

>depress the CNS. However, i've never heard of it building up in your system.

>Can you refer the source of this info, please? Much appreciated. ;)

  Try "Materia Medica and Pharmacology" by David Culbreth, M.D. (1927)

pp 594-597

  "if used continously, may produce melancholy, hysteria"



  and another source from the early 1900s referred to the

"valerianosis" caused by chronic use.



and it can be pretty rough on you if you overdose ... nausea,

diarrhea, CNS symptoms.  You'll feel like roadkill.

Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian building up in system / toxic

From: swift@crl.com (Scotty)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 15:44:37 GMT



dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC) shared:



>Re: Re: PAXIL induced insomnia...help!

> 

>> My preference is to take Hops & Chamomile. It's safe and dosn't 

>> build up in your system as a toxin like Valerian.



>     Where did you hear of this? I'm curious. I know that Valerian can

>depress the CNS. However, i've never heard of it building up in your system.

>Can you refer the source of this info, please? Much appreciated. ;)

>D`'

>dol@alexus.cts.com  

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"CAUTION: Large doses or extended use of may produce symptoms of

 poisoning. Take the tea twice dauli for no more than two to

 three weeks at a time."



Reference "The Herb Book" by John Lust Copy 1974, Bantam Books



----------------------



"CAUTION: Use Only as prescribed by a qualified practioner as 

 Valerian may cause headaches, muscular spasm and palpitations.

 Avoid large doses and prolonged use.



Reference "The New Age Herbalist" Copy 1988, dist Macmillian Pub.



----------------------



As far as I can remember looking up Valerian in any reference 

material, I have always seen warnings to prolonged use. I

pessonaly don't know the mechanics of the toxins, just that

Valerian is presented as not being a herb for prolonged use,

but rathar to help an acute problem.



If you check out the local book store I'm sure you can find

a multitude of publications that can be a guide for finding

the right herbal recipie to help insomnia when taking SSRI's.



Good Luck, Scotty

  _   _       

 {~._.~}     Scotty - Atlanta Georgia, USA

  ( Y )             low stress web

 ()~*~()       http://www.crl.com/~swift/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian building up in system / toxic

From: kcstarr@echo.sound.net (Starr)

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:55:56 GMT



swift@crl.com (Scotty) wrote:



>dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC) shared:



>>Re: Re: PAXIL induced insomnia...help!

>> 

>>> My preference is to take Hops & Chamomile. It's safe and dosn't 

>>> build up in your system as a toxin like Valerian.



>>     Where did you hear of this? I'm curious. I know that Valerian can

>>depress the CNS. However, i've never heard of it building up in your system.

>>Can you refer the source of this info, please? Much appreciated. ;)

>>D`'

>>dol@alexus.cts.com  

>>Support KRUEL Maga'Zine

>>Silverlake Computer Services Public Access BBS - (619) 224-1264



>"CAUTION: Large doses or extended use of may produce symptoms of

> poisoning. Take the tea twice dauli for no more than two to

> three weeks at a time."



>Reference "The Herb Book" by John Lust Copy 1974, Bantam Books



I was told by an herbalist friend of mine that the ingedient in

Valerian which induces sleep is not water-soluble, so making a tea of

it would do nothing for sleep....not to mention the fact that Valerian

root (which is where the sleep stuff is) is notoriously odorous - I

think it smells like sweaty socks from a gym locker, personally :)  So

if you take it - and I know nothing about the toxicity or the build up

of it in the liver, I would take it in a capsule form which are

readily available.  It didn't do much for me, tho, I had to take about

four of them to help me sleep.  YMMV, Consult a professional herbalist

or homeopathic physician.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian building up in system / toxic

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:39:17 GMT



kcstarr@echo.sound.net (Starr) wrote these amazing words:



snip

>I was told by an herbalist friend of mine that the ingedient in

>Valerian which induces sleep is not water-soluble, so making a tea of

>it would do nothing for sleep....not to mention the fact that Valerian

>root (which is where the sleep stuff is) is notoriously odorous - I

>think it smells like sweaty socks from a gym locker, personally :)  So

>if you take it - and I know nothing about the toxicity or the build up

>of it in the liver, I would take it in a capsule form which are

>readily available.  It didn't do much for me, tho, I had to take about

>four of them to help me sleep.  YMMV, Consult a professional herbalist

>or homeopathic physician.



I have taken valerian extract in tea form, and yes indeed! It DID help

me to sleep! My friend took it and it helped him to sleep, but it

makes him go to the bathroom so many times at nite...he won't take it

anymore...<wg>



I take a combination from NOW brand called NiteTime Herbs...this stuff

is fantastic! 



J







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Valerian building up in system / toxic

From: natjune@king.ak.planet.gen.nz (June King)

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 06:02:48 GMT



 

>I was told by an herbalist friend of mine that the ingedient in

>Valerian which induces sleep is not water-soluble, so making a tea of

>it would do nothing for sleep....not to mention the fact that Valerian

>root (which is where the sleep stuff is) is notoriously odorous - I

>think it smells like sweaty socks from a gym locker, personally :)  So

>if you take it - and I know nothing about the toxicity or the build up

>of it in the liver, I would take it in a capsule form which are

>readily available.  It didn't do much for me, tho, I had to take about

>four of them to help me sleep.  YMMV, Consult a professional herbalist

>or homeopathic physician.

>

I've tried the tea and it works, yet the effect of a single cup of

tea diminishes quickly after three or four times. The taste is

tolerable, but ground root smells and works better than chopped up

stuff. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Our Right To Choose Alternative Health Remedies is Threatened (ACT NOW--Pass it On!)

From: "James A. Flood" <jimflood@concentric.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:19:37 -0600



---------------------------------------------------------------------------



              The Codex International Threat To Health Freedom

             Report From the Front Lines Updated May 24th 1996



Ron Birckhead is an American vitamin distributor living in Bergen, Norway.

He and I have joined forces across the internet to form the International

Health Alliance to defend consumers of dietary supplements from a largely

covert threat to health freedom which looms large in the form of a fast

approaching meeting in October, in Bonn Germany.



SUMMARY OF THE PROBLEM



We are conducting our work under the auspices of the non profit,

educational , Life Extension Foundation of Hollywood, Florida where I am

the political coordinator.



IN a nutshell, the German delegate to a joint UN/WHO commission called the

Codex Alimentarius Commission has made the draconian proposal that consumer

access to deitary supplements be limited to the RDA dosage as a maximum

limit for vitamins (C 60mg, E 15mg, etc). Supplements that don't have an

RDA (such as coenzyme Q-10, trace minerals and amino acids) would be

illegal to sell as foods. They would all become drugs.



In October, the World Trade Organization will be voting on whether or not

to adopt this harsh German proposal.



This would create an intolerable regulatory climate very similar to that

existing in Norway where the health food industry is in the process of

being literally taken over by the drug companies. In Norway, vitamin C

above 200 mg is illegal. The Norwegian FDA attempted to incarcerate Ron

Birckhead for importing vitamin C and E powder (he fought back furiously

and won, but his battle there is ongoing!)



Very few herbal products remain on the shelves of the few remaining health

stores in Norway.



You can't get vitamin E above 45 IU, more than 2.4 mg of Vitamin B-1, or

more than the infinitesimal 4.2 mg of B-6 in Norway. The New World Order

wants to reduce supplement availability world wide in this same fashion,

using the World Trade Organization as a weapon, to impose trade sanctions

on any nation that does not get into line.



SUPPLEMENTS BECOME DRUGS IN NORWAY



In Norway, Shering-Plough, the pharmaceutical giant, now controls an

Echinacea tincture which is being sold there as an OTC drug, at grossly

inflated prices. Ginkgo-Biloba is similarly controlled as an OTC drug, but

not by a pharmaceutical company-- by a powerful Danish vitamin distributor

who's owner owns a lear Jet. (American readers take note: this Danish

vitamin distributor will do ANYTHING to sell a product, and there are

plenty of American vitamin companies and distriibutors who are JUST AS

QUICK to sell out the consumer in their lust for monry. This fact is

already weakening the US Health Freedom Front as our trade associations

have been compromised by owners who now have their feet in both the

supplement and pharmaceutical camps. The powerful Danish vitamin

distributor is beginning to buy up health food stores throughout

Scandinavia, and some day he will undoubtedly sell his company to a

pharmiceutical company, with ZERO concern for the consumer. We urge NNFA

members to scrutinize their Board Members accordingly, as we distrust

several them.



Although both echinacea and ginkgo-biloba ae among the few herbs that are

still available in Norwegian health food stores, they are unallowed to make

health claims- those can only be made by the OTC drug versions which are

only available in tightly government controlled pharmacies.



The point to understand here is that in Norway, only one government

controlled pharmacy has the right to import supplements as MEDICINES which

they can sell to health food stores, convenience stores, or pharmacies.

Understand that these products are 1) defined as drugs, 2) only products

which are guaranteed not to vary from batch to batch in potency (read

pharmaceutical extracts, NOT herbs themselves) are allowed to be sold, 3)

to get the license to import and distribute that single company had to

comply with a raft of regulations inconsistent with the natural foods

movement, and to boot had to employ someone who has worked for the

Norwegian FDA.



In the late 80's when Ron first moved to Norway, you could buy any dietary

supplement that was then available in the US. No more. Many dietary

supplement companies got greedy, and sold out in anticipation of making

vast profits if their supplements could become drugs.



SUPPLEMENTS TO BECOME DRUGS IN THE US?



A CRITICAL LOOK AT WURTMAN/DE FELICE



We have evidence of this beginning to occur here in the United States as

the top tier of the supplement industry has become the lower tier of the

pharmaceutical industry, and we are working overtime to document these

facts. Witness Dr. Steven De Felice's so called "Nutraceutical Initiative."

De Felice has been holding a series of black tie events in Washington DC,

and it appears that his proposal for exclusive rights to sell l-carnitine

and other nutrients will usurp our health freedom.



DeFelice showed his true colors on August 29th, 1990 at the Masur

auditorium of National Institutes of Health when C.Kenneth Mehrling,

Director of Marketing and Sales of Sigma Tau Pharmaceuticals strongly

advocated the removal of the amino acid l-carnitine from the health food

stores, recommending that Sigma Tau's "Carnitor" be the ONLY l-carnitine

product available to the public, and only be prescription.



Dr. DeFelice holds the patent on Carnitor, and would still like exclusivity

rights to sell l-carnitine. If his so called "nutraceutical initiative"

succeeds, it will be to the detriment of the consumer who will be forced to

pay much higher prices for a drug product that they'd have to get a

prescription for through a physician.



On p. 170 of the transcript of the FDA's public hearing on dietary

supplements held on August 29th, 1990, Mehrling stated: "The availablity of

nutitional food supplement l-carnitine since late 1983 has effectively

prevented our company from realizing the market exclusivity afforded by the

Orphan Drug Act to Carnitor. Additionally, we feel that consumers cannot

safely use l-carnitine based on the labeled use l-carnitine content of the

drug product, and levocarnitine's use in the treatment of patients with

inborn errors of metabolism and other causes of carnitine deficiency

require continuous professional intervention to establish individual

treatment regimens, which can include dosages that vary by several fold in

the same patient. The current lack of regulations cannot insure a

consistent level of bioavailable l-carnitine in nutritional food

supplements or prevent their use in the outside regulation treatment of

these inborn errors of metabolism patients."



EFFORTS TO CONTROL L-CARNITINE = SELF SERVING PROPAGANDA



This is purely self serving propaganda, of course. While some l-carnitine

products available in health food stores may have been of questionable

quality in 1990, this certainly can't be said of ALL l-carnitine, or all

other amino acids for that matter. Prolongevity is just one reputable

supplement company that manufactures high quality l-carnitine.

Prolongevity's l-carnitine costs $14.63 for 30 capsules at 600 mg, while

Carnitor costs $60.89 for 60 330 mg tablets. Prolongevity's price is

substantially cheaper per milligram with no difference in quality.



On May 9th,1996, DeFelice urged that the Dietary Supplement Health and

Education Act be amended in order to allow eclusive medical claims made on

new products in order to provide an incentive for research. He criticizes

DSHEA as "not driving research because its too vaque." If De Felice is able

to amend DSHEA the way he wants to, consumers will have to pay far more for

products, and many would not be available without a prescription.



EFFORTS TO CONTROL MELATONIN



Richard Wurtman of MIT is another adversary. He appears to want to control

melatonin and has use patents on the whole serotonin pathway. He has gone

on TV numerous times to condemn the sale of melatonin through health food

stores, claiming "safety" concerns despite the fact that no one has ever

been injured. On September 25, 1995, Wurtman appeared on the NBC Nightly

News alleging that melatonin has "dangerous side effects" and stated: "I'm

really scared someone's going to take chronic doses of melatonin in high

doses for a long time, and have all kinds of disturbances in their other

biologic rhythms, maybe crash into a telephone pole. (NBC did not disclose

Wurtman's conflict of interest by failing to discuss his ties with

Interneuron Pharmaceutical Co. which hopes to control the rights to

melatonin.)



Wurtman's concerns about safety are groundless. Life Extension Foundation

has been selling it to thousands of people for the past 3 years with only a

few minor complaints. Researchers have given people up to 6000 mg/day-

600-3,000 times the usual doses with no toxicity. Despite the recent surge

in its use, the FDA has received only 4 complaints about melatonin. Two

people said it disrupted their sleep patterns, one complained about genital

pain, and a forth reported feeling nauseated. FDA spokesman Brad Stone

stated: "We can't substantiate that melatonin was in part or largely

responsible for these problems." (Newsweek, November 6, 1995 "Melatonin

Mania.")



Wurtman appears to want to sweep all amino acids off the shelves of our

health food stores along with melatonin, and constantly harps on the

contaminated l-tryptophan from the late 80's that was manufactured by Showa

Denko pharmaceutical company in Japan as "proof" that the supplement

industry can"t be trusted.



The fact remains that Showa Denko was just one of several manufacturers of

l-tryptophan (all were in Japan), and the others DID follow good

manufacturing practices, which are now mandated by law. The fact also

remains that even in countries where l-tryptophan is regulated as a drug,

such as Germany, people still received the contaminated tryptophan, so

Wurtman is incorrect in stating that regulation will always prevent the

public from being exposed to contaminated products. In any case, Wurtman

and DeFelice can no longer use the argument that the dietary supplement

industry has no quality control because on October 8th, 1994, the Dietary

Supplement Health and Education Act passed requiring that manufacturers

conform to stringent quality control requirements known as Good

Manufacturing Practices.



Unless consumers of dietary supplements world wide unite, it is no likely

that health freedom will survive over the course of the next 5 years as the

multnational corporations and drug companies which dominate the Codex

Commission have devised a scheme through the GATT treaty to make an end run

around US Sovereignty in a determined effort to consolidate their power.



Thus far, voting within the Codex Commission's Committee on Nutrition and

Foods for Special Dietary Use have gone 16-2, and 10-1 in favor of the

draconian German proposal, with only the US, and the UK taking a stand

against it. (The US and the UK are the worlds two largest manufacturers of

dietary supplements.)



On April 29th, Reuters news service published an article titled "U.S.

Disappointed in Appeal of WTO Gasoline ruling." In this ruling, the United

States is being FORCED by the WTO to make changes in our Clean Air Act

because an appellate body of the WTO in Geneva found that U.S. clean air

gasoline rules discriminante against imports from Venezuela and Brazil.



This is the first time the WTO has imposed a ruling on the United States on

the now powerless group called Congress, and vitamin consumers had BETTER

TAKE NOTE, because if the WTO can force us to scuttle our Clean Air Act,

they can force us to accept a WTO ruling on dietary supplements EVEN IF IT

CONTRADICTS US LAW!



The American public in correctly believes that Congress can protect us

against the WTO! In this case, the WTO's three judge appeals panel composed

of officials from the Philippines, Japan, and New Zealand upheld the

overall ruling that the regulations were "a disguised restriction on

international trade" because they set different rules for foreign producers

than for domestic refiners.



In October, in Bonn, unless people all over the world unite in an effort to

monkeywrench the "drug cartels" plans, health freedom will be steamrolled

because tiny little WTO member nations such as Togo, in West Africa, have

as much voting power on this matter as the U.S., and companies like

Shering-Plough are making a concerted effort to swing their delegates in

favor of the German proposal.



Quite simply, unless we are able to swing enough delegates against the

German proposal through a laser like campaign, the US and UK will be

overwhelmingly outvoted by the other 124 WTO member nations.



On the 15th of April, the National Institutes of Health issued a press

release which seems intent on directing the public to avoid dietary

supplements and to think in terms of a maximum dosage limit for Vitamin C,

and by implication other nutrients.



Although it has been widely refuted, they once again dragged out the long

discredited assertion that vitamin C causes kidney stones. This fallacious

assertion and propaganda of the pharmaceutical industry was first splashed

through the media prior to the passage of the Proxmire legislations which

protected consumer access to dietary supplements in the 1970s.



On May 22, Ron emailed a message from Norway saying that he was just

informed by a second company which imports and distributes supplements that

they have received a license to distribute and import natural medicines

into Norway. Again this system will be the model first in other Scaninavian

countries, then in the European Union and later it is intended for the rest

of the world via Codex and the GATT/WTO agreement.



To obtain the license to sell the most effective herbs (Ginkgo, Valeria,

Goldenseal, etc) and other products defined in Norway as medicines (as it

is in the German Codex Proposal) each company has to employ a pharmacist

who has worked in the pharmaceutical industry for at least two years.



There is now a third health food supplement company applying for a license

and hiring a pharmacist that Ron knows of and it is expected that all

health food supplement distributors and import companies will be hiring

pharmacists or else be expected to be eliminated from the marketplace

quickly. Only a few of the biggest in the small country of Norway

(population 4 million) can afford to hire a pharmacist. Now the stampede is

on.



Ron and I are working closely with Suzanne Harris, JD of the Law Loft of

Arcadia, CA to formulate an international counterattack against the drug

cartel. Our articles (available through our website or via 800-841-LIFE)

have been translated into German, French, and several other foreign

languages as we unite with others across the internet to warn the world.



We are badly in need of donations to assist in conducting a think tank on

this complex issue. Eventually we will have enough of a plan to conduct a

targeted domestic Congressional campaign here in the United States, but we

will not publicly reveal some aspects of our strategy- at least not yet.



For the time being, we badly need your donations to help with transatlantic

and transcontinental phone bills and to fund Suzanne's legal efforts.

Suzanne is a seasoned Think Tank veteran who is an expert on the GATT

treaty and has been actively studying the Codex threat to health freedom,

while Ron and I are dedicated activists who have numerous international

connections in the health freedom movement. We need all of you to help. I

am going on talk radio nation wide and am always looking for shows to

appear on, and also need help in Usenet on the internet.



My email address is jhammell@ix.netcom.com. The LEF url is

http://www.lef.org/lef/index.html. There you will find more details. You

may also call our main office at 800-841-LIFE to request copies of our

February and April magazines with articles by Ron and I about this

international threat to health freedom!



We need all of your assistance, especially if you can donate funds for a

think tank, or are on the internet. If you wish to donate to our cause,

please make your most generous tax deductible check out to: Life Extention

Foundation, and send it to: LEF Political Office, 1534 Polk St., Hollywood,

FL 33020. Please relay this article far and wide! Please alert your friends

to this largely covert international threat to health freedom!



John C. Hammell, legislative advocate, The Life Extension Foundation,

PH 800-333-2553, 305-929-2905

FAX 305-929-0507

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tea tree oil

From: hbryant556@aol.com (HBryant556)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 15:04:49 -0400



I have heard that tea tree oil may be effective in treating vaginal

infections.  Is this true and if so should it be diluted or used as is?



Hollee

Hollee Bryant

HBryant556@aol.com

Sarasota, FL



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tea tree oil

From: cbach@arizona.edu (cheryl )

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:59:43 +0700





I only use tea tree oil externally



for vaginal infections - i bathe in cider vinegar - 2 cups in the bath for

a week.





In article <51s5gh$n7a@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, hbryant556@aol.com

(HBryant556) wrote:



*I have heard that tea tree oil may be effective in treating vaginal

*infections.  Is this true and if so should it be diluted or used as is?

*

*Hollee

*Hollee Bryant

*HBryant556@aol.com

*Sarasota, FL

-- 

cbach@arizona.edu

cheryl bach

university of arizona

***all my relations***



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tea tree oil

From: loughlem@cadvision.com (Lee)

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 15:32:17 GMT



Yes, it can be used for yeast infections but I am not sure of the

dilution ratio.  Try posting your question to alt.aromatherapy.



Lee  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tea tree oil

From: ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 07:54:08 GMT



loughlem@cadvision.com (Lee) wrote:



>Yes, it can be used for yeast infections but I am not sure of the

>dilution ratio.  Try posting your question to alt.aromatherapy.



>Lee  



women can just put three drops of tea tree oil in a solution with ten

drops of water and put it on a tampon which is then inserted.. this

workd very well.. alternatively, ten drops in a bath would do the

trick as well.. provided you get a good quality oil, it rarely causes

any reactions neat, but it is a good idea to start with it dilute just

to avoid problems, i have never heard of anyone needing more than

three drops to clear up yeast infections.



aashryn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tea tree oil

From: toast@noname.org (Wandering)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:57:00 GMT



hbryant556@aol.com (HBryant556) wrote these amazing words:



>I have heard that tea tree oil may be effective in treating vaginal

>infections.  Is this true and if so should it be diluted or used as is?



>Hollee

>Hollee Bryant

>HBryant556@aol.com

>Sarasota, FL



Yes, indeedy...put it on a tampon and up it goes! I did that with

several of my infections..including this last one. I used it straight

out of the bottle..I have read it to be used that way...I have seen on

here other to say don't use it that way. It has never hurt me. Burned

like hell...but it goes away. <g> Honest! I'm typing here aren't I????

Also I took one cap of garlic 3x a day...with meals. the infection is

gone. and I get it every month. fun eh?



Jest a wanderin thru





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tea tree oil

From: Diane_M Greene <greened@bcc.orst.edu>

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:47:56 -0700







On Sun, 22 Sep 1996, Wandering wrote:



> hbryant556@aol.com (HBryant556) wrote these amazing words:

> 

> >I have heard that tea tree oil may be effective in treating vaginal

> >infections.  Is this true and if so should it be diluted or used as is?

> 

> >Hollee

> >Hollee Bryant

> >HBryant556@aol.com

> >Sarasota, FL

> 

> Yes, indeedy...put it on a tampon and up it goes! I did that with

> several of my infections..including this last one. I used it straight

> out of the bottle..I have read it to be used that way...I have seen on

> here other to say don't use it that way. It has never hurt me. Burned

> like hell...but it goes away. <g> Honest! I'm typing here aren't I????

> Also I took one cap of garlic 3x a day...with meals. the infection is

> gone. and I get it every month. fun eh?

> 

> Jest a wanderin thru

> 

> 

> 

if you get it back every month i wonder if it really ever went away (?)

if it hurts i am sure there is a better way

try altering the diet( no simple carbos)

drink water and take vit c

along with your other dietary changes

and leave things alone in there

also, maybe stop wearing underwear??



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Dave & Colette <lnrplxus@ripco.com>

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Eczema worsened by lanolin.

From: FINWIZ <CWahab@ntplx.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 15:14:23 -0400



According to Dr. Braverman at Yale University and other top-of-the-line

dermatologists, lanolin aggravates eczema.  The sad reality is that all

kinds of creams containing lanolin are recommended to people with

eczema by the average dermatologists, physicians and pharmacists. 

Eucerin, Keri, Lubriderm and many other creams, lotions, soaps and

cortisones have lanolin in them and are incorrectly and routinely being

recommended to people with eczema.  Avoiding lanolin will stop

aggravating the eczema; but, to get rid of the inflammation, only

evaporation will work.  Unbelievable, but true.  Water evaporates out 

of a sheet quickly.  Dampen a sheet, squeeze out excess water, and then 

lay the sheet over the inflammation for 30 minutes (rewet the

sheet every 10 minutes).   My instructions from Yale were to

then airdry, use a hydrocortisone, and then put a moisturizer on.

Follow that routine three times a day.  Relief was immediate.  Within

24 hours the inflammation was reduced by 75%; within 48 hours I

recovered.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema worsened by lanolin.

From: radray5@aol.com (RADRAY5)

Date: 20 Sep 1996 05:57:59 -0400



I had eczema from the time I was three years old untill the time I was in

my late twenties and I can tell you that that statement about lanolin is

absolutly true! It shouldn't take a rocket scientist or a dermatologist to

realize that since lanolin is a by product of lambs wool and since wool is

a VERY common material that people are allergic to that lanolin would

cause the same reaction.



Always use a lotion that doesn't contain lanolin, fragrance or water as a

main ingredient. Neutragena (sp?) hand lotion is one of the best that I've

tried on my sensitive skin without any problems



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema worsened by lanolin.

From: ZFSJ47D@prodigy.com (Miss Heidi M. Evans)

Date: 23 Sep 1996 19:16:41 GMT



Well, I can't speak for lanolin---very likely a lot of people ARE 



allergic to it.  I'm allergic even to calamine.  But as for the 



suggestion with the wet sheet---I don't know about you, but any time MY 



skin comes into prolonged contact (more than about a minute) with any 



moistened fabric, I get a  rash.  NOT a good remedy.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Eczema worsened by lanolin.

From: squeak6081@aol.com (Squeak6081)

Date: 24 Sep 1996 14:02:35 -0400



Some skin moisturizers that contain lanolin ALSO contain alcohol (?) Which

can further irritate dry or disordered skin. Try Aveeno or a similar

product.





He'e nalu no ka oi ---Squeak



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: MONO: Need Advise

From: infomaniac <stodda19@mo.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 13:55:25 -0700



I am a nurse and the mom of a 15yo girl who contracted mononucleosis in 

the fall of 1994. It was severe with elevated liver enzymes, enlarged 

spleen etc. It took almost a year for her to completely recoup only to be 

stricken again in Nov.'95 with another bout of the virus, although not as 

severe as the first was significant enough to land her back in bed and 

leave her vulnerable to every passive bug out there.ie:colds,flu,etc.

Her physician put her on a regimin of Zovirax which is an antiviral with 

the understanding that it may help but then again it may not. I would 

assess at this point that she is only at about 70% as she becomes 

fatigued easily and she has another upper respiritory tract 

infection (URI)

I would like some advise on possible herbal preps and vitamin therapies 

for bolstering her immune system. Books and online net sites would also 

be appreciated. I am open to ideas and will research incomming 

suggestions.



Thank you in advance <Debra>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ho-shou-wu

From: Roy Dicks <infoman@nina.pagesz.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:15:00 -0400



I am writing from the Public Library here in Raleigh for a patron who has 

a question about the chinese herb ho-shou-wu. She bought some from a 

California distributor and the dark blackish herbs she received were 

easily digested. Then she found that the company Nature's Way sells 

ho-shou-wu (also sometimes called fo-ti) but when she opened it the herbs

were a much lighter brown. Her question is: does anyone have experience 

with the Nature's Way product and is it the same herb and/or does it have 

the same strength? 



Roy C. Dicks

Raleigh, NC

infoman@pagesZ.net







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fenugreek Tea?  Can anyone help?

From: "SCONIC" <snicholson@pnz.co.nz>

Date: 19 Sep 1996 22:10:25 GMT



Can anyone help?  I have heard that fenugreek tea is helpful to

diabetics...?  Does any one know wether this is true?  What else is it

helpful for and how does one go about making fenugreek tea?



Thanks in advance,



Sconic



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:  Chamomile and Ragweed

From: Linda Woodward <lwood@frontiernet.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:40:38 -0700



I am a novice herb grower and this year grew chamomile for the first 

time, along with sage, mints and several other herbs.  As I am not a tea 

drinker, but my husband is, I very nicely made him teas from the 

chamomile, sage and mint.  He loves it and was drinking a cup every night 

as he was relaxing.  I felt so good about using the fresh herbs and doing 

something nice for him.  	



One problem he has is with ragweed.  He takes a prescription med for it 

during the season, but this year the prescription was not working - he 

was miserable.  I just read yesterday in one of my herb books that you 

should not use chamomile if you are allergic to ragweed.  Needless to say 

I will not be making any more chamomile tea for him.  I'm sure that now 

the prescription med will help him.  So much for being a loving wife.



I haven't told him yet that I was the cause of his misery (that 

particular one).



This incident does point out one big area of herbal medicine that could 

be a problem to alot of people.  There is much info printed and on the 

net about herbal medicine, but not much info about interactions with 

other medications that people may be taking or particular allergies they 

may have.  I have eight different books on herbs and only one of them 

mentioned the chamomile/ragweed interaction.



I hope someone could point me in the right direction to find this type of 

info.  Thanks - Linda Woodward



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:  Chamomile and Ragweed

From: brumstik@interaccess.com (broomstick)

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 07:42:08



[snip]

>One problem he has is with ragweed.  He takes a prescription med for it 

>during the season, but this year the prescription was not working - he 

>was miserable.  I just read yesterday in one of my herb books that you 

>should not use chamomile if you are allergic to ragweed.  Needless to say 

>I will not be making any more chamomile tea for him.  I'm sure that now 

>the prescription med will help him.  So much for being a loving wife.



>I haven't told him yet that I was the cause of his misery (that 

>particular one).



[snip]



Stop feeling guilty.



You get the ragweed/chamomile caution in the books because they are related 

plants and that cross-reaction *does* occur in some people.  But not ALL folks 

allergic to one will be allergic to the other.



If you husband was allergic to the chamomile, he would have REACTED to the 

chamomile.  It WAS an awful year for ragweed, so it may be that, for this year 

his prescription wasn't strong enough.  Also, it *could* be that 

ragweed+chamomile was a tad much for his system and he might want to avoid the 

chamomile during the ragweed season but the rest of the year he can drink it 

without problem.  He should NOT take chamomile on a daily basis but a weekly 

taste of it shouldn't be a problem.



Or he can just avoid chamomile.



It's his choice.



But like many things in herbs, this is not a black/white yes/no choice.  

Continue to educate yourself.  Be cautious.



========================================================================

                  |

>---Broomstick--- |         Any Day Above Ground Is a Good Day

                  |

========================================================================







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chamomile and Ragweed

From: jworkman@erinet.com (Lisa B)

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 10:56:45 GMT



Linda Woodward <lwood@frontiernet.net> wrote:





>One problem he has is with ragweed.  He takes a prescription med for it 

>during the season, but this year the prescription was not working - he 

>was miserable.  I just read yesterday in one of my herb books that you 

>should not use chamomile if you are allergic to ragweed.  Needless to say 

>I will not be making any more chamomile tea for him.  I'm sure that now 

>the prescription med will help him.  So much for being a loving wife.



>I haven't told him yet that I was the cause of his misery (that 

>particular one).



<de-lurk>

Don't get to feeling too guilty--it's been a hideous year for ragweed.

People who aren't usually bothered have been this season. 

Waiting for the frost,

<re-lurk>



Lisa

acq_lisa@dayton.lib.oh.us





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Habaneros 4 Sale

From: johnro@aol.com (JohnRo)

Date: 19 Sep 1996 19:53:25 -0400



For Sale:  1000lbs/week of Habaneros for the last two weeks of September

and (perhaps) the first few weeks of October.



Habaneros are the supremely hot-smoky orange wrinkled chili that is the

mainstay of the personal self-defense industry as well as the hottest

chili normally found in commerce.  Handle as a hazardous material!  These

Habaneros are organically grown in Western North Carolina for a particular

customer who has been overwhelmed by the volume of production.  



If you are interested in these Habaneros for a special salsa (or personal

self defense product) please contact me at johnro@aol.com or (704)

645-5440 (evenings) for price and shipping information.





John Rowland                          R Farm



You R what U eat.                     Weaverville, NC



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: memory loss

From: ED GLUECK <amazon@ptd.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:01:18 -0400



does anyone



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: memory loss

From: mlflugg@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Michelle Flugge)

Date: 20 Sep 1996 02:28:01 GMT



ED GLUECK <amazon@ptd.net> wrote:

: does anyone



all the time. :)











HELLO KITTY gang terrorizes town, family STICKERED to death!

                                -- Zippy the Pinhead



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: memory loss

From: magus1@sprynet.com

Date: 28 Sep 1996 08:08:26 GMT



i don't remember



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Epstein Barr

From: Michael Belcastro <smb@mergetel.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 02:53:29 -0400



Hi Again

 I have a friend with this problem (Epstein Barr). What can she do? The

Doc's here are telling here to sleep when she is tired and exercise. If

anybody can help we would appreciate it. Please E-mail me.

Mike

Ps You have all been a great help with my dad.

-- 

   ***********************************************                       

            

                MICHAEL BELCASTRO HOMEPAGE

          http://www.inett.com/seaway/mikeyb.html

                                

    ************************************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: URGENT CODEX URGENT

From: "dree" <dree@lynx.bc.ca>

Date: 20 Sep 1996 07:28:50 GMT



http://panda.uiowa.edu:4105/note-35073-536

and

http://www.lef.org/fda/fda.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: DEPRESSION

From: magus1@sprynet.com

Date: 20 Sep 1996 08:23:28 GMT



Could someone please post or mail info. on herbs used for depression,THANKS in advance!!!!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DEPRESSION

From: toast@noname.org (Wandering)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 13:03:47 GMT



magus1@sprynet.com wrote these amazing words:



>Could someone please post or mail info. on herbs used for depression,THANKS in advance!!!!



OK as hokey as this sounds...

depression comes from the liver. Clean up the liver and you will get

rid of the depression. Nature's sunshine has an excellent Chinese

product called AD-C...although it's probably called something else

now.  I was diagnosed with major depression, and the md's put me on

some drug, which stopped me from thinking..but that's about it, for 3

weeks. I went to a school for natural health, and became my own guinea

pig..who better????? and stopped taking the drug that evening...Sept.

7..1991 I think...and started taking this. In ONE WEEK, a friend told

me that I was smiling!!!! The first time in over a month!!! Hey

baby...try it!

I was 75% better in one week...and in about 1 more week could return

to work.



Who better to know than one who has suffered and tried it and is

better today???



Course..my psychologist at that time, darn near refused to keep

treating me, becos I didn't follow Dr's orders!!! I let him know that

what did it matter which way I was healed as long as I was????

His name was Richard Cranium...



Jest a wanderin thru...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: is aloe a blood thinner? - aloesali.txt (0/1)

From: mgreten@xtalwind.net (mary greten)

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:13:23 GMT



Guaifenesin thus far has lacked 

side-effects; the other two medications have some.



It is important that you use no aspirin compounds since these

completely 

block the effects of  all the medications we have used to date,

including 

guaifenesin.  The greatest source of  patient error in blocking our 

treatment lies in the use of aspirin-related compounds: salicylate or 

salicylic acid.  Most plants make salicylates, many in large

quantities. 



In the concentration of plant parts used to make herbal medications,

the 

acid content rises high enough to block our medications.  This effect 

appears to be at kidney level.



Thus you can take no herbal medications or use any skin creams which

contain 

herbs, including aloe products. You must read all ingredients

contained in 

anything you apply to your skin---even lipsticks. 



These warnings  do not apply to herbs and spices used in cooking, or

to 

commercial (non-medicinal) herbal teas; these apparently are not of 

sufficient strength to block the medications.  



What part diet plays in Fibromyalgia is uncertain at this time.



Thus, it is absolutely imperative that  you heed the following

WARNING:



You must absolutely avoid any medications which contain SALICYLATES, 

SALICYLIC ACID or anything which contains PLANT DERIVATIVES such as

herbs.  



Thus you must avoid the following:



l.  Many pain medications which have aspirin or the word "salicylate"

or  

"salicylic acid" as part of the contents.



2.  Any herbal medications or creams which contain plant derivatives

of any 

type.  This includes aloe and aloe vera compounds.



3.  All cosmetics which have the above compounds. Some long-acting 

lipsticks contain the same. You will need to check the box in which

they 

originally came.



4.  All muscle creams such as Ben Gay which contain the above.



5.  All sunscreens with the same chemicals, including oxyl salicylate.



6.  Some mouthwashes (eg. Listerine) contain salicylate.  Natural 

toothpastes often contain herbs.



7.  Lotions, cleansing lotions, astringents, exfoliants, and oily skin



lotions.  Acne medications such as stridex often contain salicylates.



8.  Shampoos, especially dandruff shampoos contain salicylate. Balsalm



rinses or shampoos often contain barks.



9.  Wart removal products are almost all salicylates. Read these

labels 

carefully.



10.  Pepto Bismol is bismuth subsalicylate, thus you cannot use it.



Any source of these offending substances will be absorbed and will

totally 

block the effect of guaifenesin.mgreten@xtalwind.net (mary greten)

wrote:



> source of attachment is alt.med.fibromyalia. title fibrpmyalia by dr.

>amand 1/96.

>   query:  are aloe and other salicylates contraindicated for

>guaifenesin because both are anti-coagulants? more specifically

>is aloe an anti-coagulant? can it be taken with a hypertensive drug

>persantine (also a anti-coangulant)? 84 yr old mom wishes to take 

>aloe 200x and pycnogenol. diabetic taking micronase, persantine and

>catapres. does anyone know of any contra-indictions with any of the

>aforementioned. reply newsgroup or email mgreten@onyx.xtalwind.net. 













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: aloe a blood thinner? - attach.txt (0/1)

From: mgreten@xtalwind.net (mary greten)

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:18:25 GMT



Guaifenesin thus far has lacked 

side-effects; the other two medications have some.



It is important that you use no aspirin compounds since these

completely 

block the effects of  all the medications we have used to date,

including 

guaifenesin.  The greatest source of  patient error in blocking our 

treatment lies in the use of aspirin-related compounds: salicylate or 

salicylic acid.  Most plants make salicylates, many in large

quantities. 



In the concentration of plant parts used to make herbal medications,

the 

acid content rises high enough to block our medications.  This effect 

appears to be at kidney level.



Thus you can take no herbal medications or use any skin creams which

contain 

herbs, including aloe products. You must read all ingredients

contained in 

anything you apply to your skin---even lipsticks. 



These warnings  do not apply to herbs and spices used in cooking, or

to 

commercial (non-medicinal) herbal teas; these apparently are not of 

sufficient strength to block the medications.  



What part diet plays in Fibromyalgia is uncertain at this time.



Thus, it is absolutely imperative that  you heed the following

WARNING:



You must absolutely avoid any medications which contain SALICYLATES, 

SALICYLIC ACID or anything which contains PLANT DERIVATIVES such as

herbs.  



Thus you must avoid the following:



l.  Many pain medications which have aspirin or the word "salicylate"

or  

"salicylic acid" as part of the contents.



2.  Any herbal medications or creams which contain plant derivatives

of any 

type.  This includes aloe and aloe vera compounds.



3.  All cosmetics which have the above compounds. Some long-acting 

lipsticks contain the same. You will need to check the box in which

they 

originally came.



4.  All muscle creams such as Ben Gay which contain the above.



5.  All sunscreens with the same chemicals, including oxyl salicylate.



6.  Some mouthwashes (eg. Listerine) contain salicylate.  Natural 

toothpastes often contain herbs.



7.  Lotions, cleansing lotions, astringents, exfoliants, and oily skin



lotions.  Acne medications such as stridex often contain salicylates.



8.  Shampoos, especially dandruff shampoos contain salicylate. Balsalm



rinses or shampoos often contain barks.



9.  Wart removal products are almost all salicylates. Read these

labels 

carefully.



10.  Pepto Bismol is bismuth subsalicylate, thus you cannot use it.



Any source of these offending substances will be absorbed and will

totally 

block the effect of guaifenesin.mgreten@xtalwind.net (mary greten)

wrote:



> source of attachment is alt.med.fibromyalia. title fibrpmyalia by dr.

>amand 1/96.

>   query:  are aloe and other salicylates contraindicated for

>guaifenesin because both are anti-coagulants? more specifically

>is aloe an anti-coagulant? can it be taken with a hypertensive drug

>persantine (also a anti-coangulant)? 84 yr old mom wishes to take 

>aloe 200x and pycnogenol. diabetic taking micronase, persantine and

>catapres. does anyone know of any contra-indictions with any of the

>aforementioned. reply newsgroup or email mgreten@onyx.xtalwind.net. 













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Diabetes

From: vkirkman@intersource.com (Vern Kirkman)

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:19:47 GMT



	My doctor has just informed me that I am diabetic, but that I

am still manufacturing my own insulin, just not enough.

	I have been sitting this morning going through this confusing

exchange food list, to see what I am allowed to eat on an 1800 calorie

diet. IT AIN'T MUCH!!!	

	Anyone got any suggestions on how a big eater can survive on

this?  Also, since I am making my own insulin, but not enough, is

there anything I can supplement my diet with that will help my body

manufacure insulin more efficiently or to us the insulin I do

manufacture work more effiiciently???



	Thanks in advance, for your help.





Vern





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Diabetes

From: bersvendsen@nsd.uib.no (Yngve Bersvendsen)

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:02:23 +1000



In article <51tuk6$ff@gretle.intersource.com> vkirkman@intersource.com (Vern Kirkman) writes:

>From: vkirkman@intersource.com (Vern Kirkman)

>Subject: Diabetes

>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:19:47 GMT



>        My doctor has just informed me that I am diabetic, but that I

>am still manufacturing my own insulin, just not enough.

>        I have been sitting this morning going through this confusing

>exchange food list, to see what I am allowed to eat on an 1800 calorie

>diet. IT AIN'T MUCH!!!  

>        Anyone got any suggestions on how a big eater can survive on

>this?  Also, since I am making my own insulin, but not enough, is

>there anything I can supplement my diet with that will help my body

>manufacure insulin more efficiently or to us the insulin I do

>manufacture work more effiiciently???



>        Thanks in advance, for your help.





>Vern



Yes it is. Cromium stabilize the blood glucose level and is a "door opener" to 

the cell. That means, you gets a more effective use of the insulin that is 

prudiced in the pancreas. Vitamin E and Evening Primrose Oil is good for 

diabetics to privent later complications.



If you want information about a complication, diabetic neuropathy, take a look 

on the website:



http://www.nsd.uib.no/yngve/helse/neuropat.shtml



Regards



Yngve Bersvendsen

















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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tooth Bites in Mouth

From: Mielikki@sys259.chatlink.com

Date: 20 Sep 1996 03:46:21 PST



<D>Either during the week before or after my cycle, I will bite myself

<D>with a pointer tooth.  It is sore until it heals about 5 days later.



<D>Does anyone know of any herbs or treatment that will make it heal

<D>faster?



<D>-*- Sent by NetACCESS: Easy-to-Use Internet E-mail & Usenet Newsgroups!



Have you tried using L-lysine?  It is an amino acid and can be purchased

at any local pharmacy with the vitamins.  Works great for me on ANY

mouth sores.  (I have a tendency to bite the back of my mouth with my

molars)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: chicory preserving

From: Cindy Pflugh <cindyp@axxess.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 06:33:27 -0600



Hi!  I grew a little chicory this year to see if it would grow in my

extremely short season.  And it did.  When do I pull it out?  Can I 

use the leaves for anything?   Do I leave a piece of it in to see if

it reroots itself next year?

Thanks

Cindy

Peace



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ARTS & CRAFT FAIR/ARIZONA

From: stoneple@sedona.net (Ancient Voices)

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:31:11 GMT



Arts & Crafts Fair

To be held at the

Bell Rock Plaza

Village of Oak Creek

October 18, 19 & 20

Fri. & Sat. 9-5, Sun. 9-4



Free Parking & Admission!



First local showing of original arts and crafts by 

selected artists from Colorado, Nevada and Arizona.



For applying vendors:



Print out the following application and mail it to:



Carol Heinz 

65 Courthouse Butte

Sedona, AZ 86351



520-284-9446



Name:_______________________________Business:____________________________



Address:________________________________________________________________



Telephone

numbers:__________________________/_____________________________

			         (Business)                      (Home)     		       			    



One sentence description of your

work:________________________________________



________________________________________________________________________



1. Category:	_____________________  List all items to be

sold:____________________________



_____________________________________________________________________________________



_____________________________________________________________________________________



2. Dates:  October 18- 20	



4. Times:  Friday 9 A.M. - 5 P.M., Saturday 9 A.M. - 5 P.M.,  & Sunday

9 P.M.- 4 P.M. 



5. Services provided:   Security will be provided on Friday and

Saturday nights.	

										

6. Booth Fee- $100 							 Amount due

10' wide X 15' deep space.  Staking tents will not be an option. 

Weights will be needed to secure tents.

________	



Requirements



7.  State Business License.



9.  Tent for booth.



10. All booths must be staffed during show hours.



11.  Booth areas are to be free of debris throughout the show and

cleaned of debris before

leaving on Sunday.



12. Rain or Shine- NO REFUNDS.



13. Two photographs of work and one of booth.  If time does not

permitt, call 520-284-0968 or 520-284-9446







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HERB LISTSERV GROUPS

From: dk853@CNSVAX.ALBANY.EDU (Donald Keenan)

Date: 20 Sep 1996 17:11:00 GMT



Hello:

Does anyone have addresses for herbal listserv groups? I'd like to

supplement my reading of this group and would be interested to know

if any listservs out there have more specific identities (e.g. medicinal

, culinary, magical, etc.

If anyone knows of a list, esp. a medicinally oriented one, please send the

address to me at:

dk853@cnsvax.albany.edu

Thanks! 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hair Analysis?

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 20 Sep 1996 18:07:45 GMT



Anyone know of a reliable lab that will do hair analysis ( for lead,

cadmium, etc.). I can't seem to find one in my area. I checked 

"Prescription For Nutritional Healing" as I thought that book had a

list of labs.....No luck. Please reply either e-mail or publicly.

Thanks. 



                                   In good health ( through herbs ),

				   Jerry 			







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hair Analysis?

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 22:18:19 GMT



In article <51umhh$uv@antares.en.com>, jerry smith <jsmith@en.com> wrote:

>Anyone know of a reliable lab that will do hair analysis ( for lead,

>cadmium, etc.). I can't seem to find one in my area. I checked 

>"Prescription For Nutritional Healing" as I thought that book had a

>list of labs.....No luck. Please reply either e-mail or publicly.

>Thanks. 

>

>                                   In good health ( through herbs ),

>				   Jerry 			

>

>

Jerry,

   I wouldn't bother,it really doesn't tell you much but it will cost you.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hair Analysis?

From: Tina <tdmodol@pacbell.com>

Date: 27 Sep 1996 22:38:17 GMT



sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner) wrote:

>In article <51umhh$uv@antares.en.com>, jerry smith <jsmith@en.com> wrote:

>>Anyone know of a reliable lab that will do hair analysis ( for lead,

>>cadmium, etc.). I can't seem to find one in my area. I checked 

>>"Prescription For Nutritional Healing" as I thought that book had a

>>list of labs.....No luck. Please reply either e-mail or publicly.

>>Thanks. 



>Jerry,

>   I wouldn't bother,it really doesn't tell you much but it will cost you.

>Barbara



My doctor said that hair analysis is *only* good for metal detection 

(like lead), not for anything else.  I got ripped off by sending hair 

into a lab (found on the web).  The data they faxed back was meaningless 

and impossible to interpret, anyway.  I called them and they told be a 

bunch of crazy stuff.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Damiana seed source.

From: ecto@wpg.ramp.net

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 23:48:27 GMT





Does anybody know a company that carries Damiana seeds?

I have been able to get the processed herb but it is expensive, and I would 

rather grow my own.

I'd like to find a good Canadian source preferably.



Thanks in advance.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginkgo and Tinnitus

From: "Gorman" <Gorman@worldlink.ca>

Date: 21 Sep 1996 00:24:54 GMT



I have read that ginkgo has been useful in treating tinnitus

(ringing in the ears). Is anyone familiar with this herb and 

if this is true ?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: menopause, estrogens, depression

From: Alice Ensley <acern@visi.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:59:31 -0700



Am looking for help with finding a source of natural estrogens and herbs 

to help with depression.  Does anyone know about either black or blue 

cohosh and valerian?  Thanks--Alice



Smiles are a universal language.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: menopause, estrogens, depression

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 22 Sep 1996 08:21:02 -0700



Alice Ensley <acern@visi.net> wrote:

>Am looking for help with finding a source of natural estrogens and herbs 

>to help with depression.  Does anyone know about either black or blue 

>cohosh and valerian?  Thanks--Alice



Alice - 

  Valerian is a sedative!  That's the last thing you need.



Some herbs are estrogen boosters (schizandra, vitex, one of the

cohoshes, dong quai).



Others are progesterone boosters (yellow dock, sarsaparilla).



Figure out which you need more of ... easier said than done, but try

some from one group and see what happens.  If it doesn't work, try the

other group.  

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/  has some downloadable texts

with recipes, including a good explanation of whether you need more

estrogenic compounds or progesteronic compounds based on symptoms.

Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sciatica

From: Nathan Schwartz <schwartz@startext.net>

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 09:39:06 -0500



After the positive and overwhelming response I received to my query about

Gout treatment, I have been singing the praises of herbal remedies to

everyone I know.  BTW, for anyone else suffereing from gout, so far,

juniper berries, burdock root and a daily intake of Cherry juice has proven 

most effective for me.



Now a friend and work would like some ideas for treatment of her 

sciatica.  I hope I'm spelling that correctly.  She describes her ailment 

as an inflammation of the sciatic nerve.  I think that's the same as 

sciatica.  Anyway, if it isn't, please suggest treatments for what she 

describes rather than my own designation of it as sciatica.  



All responses are appreciated.  Thanks in advance.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sciatica

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 19:16:52 GMT



On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, Nathan Schwartz <schwartz@startext.net> wrote:



>Now a friend at work would like some ideas for treatment of her 

>sciatica.  I hope I'm spelling that correctly.  She describes her ailment 

>as an inflammation of the sciatic nerve.  I think that's the same as 

>sciatica.  Anyway, if it isn't, please suggest treatments for what she 

>describes rather than my own designation of it as sciatica.  



Here's what I have on my hard disk:



Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:00:06 -0700 (MST)

From: "Ronald Hoggan, Queen Elizabeth High School" <RBHOGGAN@cbe.ab.ca>



This person may be interested in looking at:

1. Hadjivassiliou et. al. "Does cryptic gluten sensitivity play a part in 

neurological illness?" _The Lancet_ 1996; 347:369-371.



In the article it says they found that 57 percent of those with

neurological problems of unknown cause also had antibodies to gliadin,

which is a component of gluten. Sixteen percent of them had coeliac

disease, a much higher level than normally found.



and 

2. Usai, et. al. "Adult Celiac Disease Is Frequently Associated with 

Sacroiliitis" _Digestive Diseases and Sciences_ 1995; 40(9): 1906-1908.



and

3. Ward, et. al. "Celiac disease and spinocerebellar degeneration with 

normal vitamin E status" _Neurology_ 1985; 35: 1199-1201.



In each of these articles, there is considerable evidence that would

suggest that testing for celiac disease might be prudent for a person

suffering from sciatica of an unknown cause. Nerve damage is recently

being connected to gluten intolerance by a variety of researchers.



If there is bone degeneration at the root of the problem, the connection

between spinal vertebrate degeneration is well established, and has been

given rather a lot of attention in the literature. I can, of course, 

supply some citations on request. 



I am not a doctor. 



I hope this is helpful.



Ron Hoggan



===========



In this article:



Cooke WT, Neurologic manifestations of malabsorption. In Handbook of

clinical neurology, volume 28 (metabolic deficiency diseases of the nervous

system, part II), Amsterdam; North Holland Publishing Company, 1976;

225-41.



They discuss the many neurological manifestations that are associated with

coeliac disease, including ataxia, peripheral neuropathy, myelopathy,

myopathy, and dementia. 



========================================



For more information on gluten intolerance this page points to all Net

resources:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bloodroot-sources, uses, cautions?

From: wq054@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (J. Connolly)

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:49:57 GMT





Andrew Weil, MD, recommends bloodroot for treatment of skin

growths and skin cancer. Anyone know of a good source?

Would like it in the paste form if possible. How is it used?

I understand it's a powerful substance, and needs to be 

used with great care, but can not find out any details.

Anyone know more?

Thanks!

Julie



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bloodroot-sources, uses, cautions?

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:20:53 -0500



J. Connolly wrote:

> 

> Andrew Weil, MD, recommends bloodroot for treatment of skin

> growths and skin cancer. Anyone know of a good source?

> Would like it in the paste form if possible. How is it used?

> I understand it's a powerful substance, and needs to be

> used with great care, but can not find out any details.

> Anyone know more?

> Thanks!

> Julie

I have bloodroot growing on my property. It grows in shaded hardwood

forests or along shaded road sides. I have no idea how its used.

I know it is toxic but will send you  a root if you want. 

Please consult a knowledgble person before you use it.

	I know it was used as a red dye by the Am. Indians much

as goldenseal was used as a yellow dye.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Try Some :)

From: swift@crl.com (Scotty)

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:34:19 GMT



An afternoon treat:



Double Espresso & 8 drops of Valerian tincture :) 



Very interesting!







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Try Some :)

From: lilsheba@teleport.com (Little Sheba)

Date: 22 Sep 1996 05:04:14 GMT



Scotty (swift@crl.com) wrote:

: An afternoon treat:



: Double Espresso & 8 drops of Valerian tincture :) 



: Very interesting!



What is the effect?



--

*	Pages turning...pages we were years from learning     *

        Straight into the night our hearts were flung....

					Jackson Browne

                 * lilsheba@teleport.com *



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Try Some :)

From: swift@crl.com (Scotty)

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:56:02 GMT



lilsheba@teleport.com (Little Sheba) shared:

>Scotty (swift@crl.com) wrote:

>: An afternoon treat:

>: Double Espresso & 8 drops of Valerian tincture :) 

>: Very interesting!



>What is the effect?



Well here I am again tonight enjoying an espresso and valerain. The

effect?? well it's kinda a euphoric tingly feeling all over. Like

all the little nerve endings under your skin are turned on.

Like feeling really.. really.. good :)



I've noticed this before when mixing coffee and valerian, I'm

sure a chemist may be able to identify the combination of

the alkaloids and flavonoids that yeild the effect. I know

the sum valerain and espresso (or any very strong coffee) 

togeather is greater than what you would expect from the 

individual amounts.



It's more of a narcotic feeling than just relaxing or a

stimulant. 



Mabey a chemical whiz can explain the effect, I can only

describe it. :)



Take care, Scotty







  _   _       

 {~._.~}     Scotty - Atlanta Georgia, USA

  ( Y )             low stress web

 ()~*~()       http://www.crl.com/~swift/

 (_)-(_)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Try Some :)

From: katra@centuryinter.net (Ness)

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:13:17 -0600



In article <522hce$fo1@nadine.teleport.com>, lilsheba@teleport.com (Little

Sheba) wrote:



> Scotty (swift@crl.com) wrote:

> : An afternoon treat:

> 

> : Double Espresso & 8 drops of Valerian tincture :) 

> 

> : Very interesting!

> 

> What is the effect?

> 

Effects.. good lord. Would this be like doing espresso shots atop a little

bit of valium(sp?) :)



-Ness



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bell's Palsy

From: mara@ix.netcom.com (Mara)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 01:37:33 GMT



	Having been recently afflicted with this condition, I would like to

learn all that I can about any use of herbs for this condition.



All information will be greatfully appreciated.



mara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tinnea versicolor

From: jghubit@aol.com (Jghubit)

Date: 22 Sep 1996 13:06:58 -0400



Does anyone know about tinnea versicolor?  I have been diagnosed with it

before, it is a red spotty rash on the torso that has a fungal basis, kind

of like jock itch for the body. :)



The doctor treated me last time with all kinds of lotions and potions, it

was a big pain in the neck and worked very slowly.  I have heard that it

is related to a yeast balance in the body and wondered if anyone has heard

of natural products that could help with yeast balance.



Thanks for any help.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Life Extension Herbal Mix

From: richard.elee@internetworkMCI.com (Richard in Durham, NC)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 17:29:44 GMT



Can anyone comment on the contents & quality of LEF's herbal mix?





Richard Evans Lee * Books Do Furnish A Room

1809 West Markham Avenue, Durham, NC 27705-4806

(919) 286-1076 * Psychotronic BBS (919) 286-7738





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help Growing Rosemary

From: Barbara Glen <Barbara_Glen@bc.sympatico.ca>

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:02:03 -0700



I need advise about whether or not a should bring in my Rosemary plant 

just planted this spring -one foot high - Books I've read say yes, but if 

 this plant grows to 6 feet do you still keep bringing it in - I live on 

Vancouver Island - central - winters on semi-mild to cold & wet - Would 

covering it with plastic be okay?? hope to hear from anyone anywhere?? 

soon... thanks...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help Growing Rosemary

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 24 Sep 1996 22:24:47 -0400



In article <32458D2B.3104@bc.sympatico.ca>, Barbara Glen

<Barbara_Glen@bc.sympatico.ca> writes:



> need advise about whether or not a should bring in my Rosemary plant 

>just planted this spring -one foot high - Books I've read say yes, but if



> this plant grows to 6 feet do you still keep bringing it in



Living on equally cold, wet, etc., Bainbridge Island (Washington state),

my rosemary plant did fine outside year around.  They don't grow to the

height that they get in California or equally warm places, but they seem

hardy enough.



Regards,

Rosemary (my mom likes the plant too!), Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle,

WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help Growing Rosemary

From: cen07673@centuryinter.net

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 00:40:01 GMT



On 9/24/96 9:24PM, in message <52a55f$rri@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, HealingPgs 

<healingpgs@aol.com> wrote:



> In article <32458D2B.3104@bc.sympatico.ca>, Barbara Glen

> <Barbara_Glen@bc.sympatico.ca> writes:

> 

> > need advise about whether or not a should bring in my Rosemary plant 

> >just planted this spring -one foot high - Books I've read say yes, but if

> 

> > this plant grows to 6 feet do you still keep bringing it in

> 

> Living on equally cold, wet, etc., Bainbridge Island (Washington state),

> my rosemary plant did fine outside year around.  They don't grow to the

> height that they get in California or equally warm places, but they seem

> hardy enough.

> 

> Regards,

> Rosemary (my mom likes the plant too!), Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle,

> WA

> e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

> http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





You should protect it against the north wind at least.  If it is planted in the 

open, provide a covering if the temp goes below 20 degrees F the first year. 

After the first year, protect anytime the temp drops and stays low.  Sometimes 

mulch around the base of the plant is all you need.  Rosemary deserves TLC.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help Growing Rosemary

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 13:03:32 -0400



In article <N.092596.194001.65@anxp6.hd.centuryinter.net>,

cen07673@centuryinter.net writes:



>After the first year, protect anytime the temp drops and stays low.

>Sometimes 

>mulch around the base of the plant is all you need.



We used to use straw around the base of our plants in the winter, and the

yard did face south as well as being fairly protected from the north wind.

 On the rare extremely cold days that we had, I can't remember having much

problem with these plants.  Having gotten started on this topic, I also

looked up rosemary in "A West Coast Kitchen Garden" which was written by a

Vancouver Island native.  According the author, the "upright" kind winters

just fine, but the "creeping" do need to be brought inside.  He has one

rosemary at Ravenhill that is 50 years old.  



Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help Growing Rosemary

From: mandy <mandy@stalin.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:45:19 +0100



In article <32458D2B.3104@bc.sympatico.ca>, Barbara Glen

<Barbara_Glen@bc.sympatico.ca> writes

>I need advise about whether or not a should bring in my Rosemary plant 

>just planted this spring -one foot high - Books I've read say yes, but if 

> this plant grows to 6 feet do you still keep bringing it in - I live on 

>Vancouver Island - central - winters on semi-mild to cold & wet - Would 

>covering it with plastic be okay?? hope to hear from anyone anywhere?? 

>soon... thanks...



A friend thinks not, only for the first winter and then it should be O.K.

However in cases of severe frost, bring it in.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help Growing Rosemary

From: forsberg@convex.com (Amy Forsberg)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 19:42:12 GMT



mandy (mandy@stalin.demon.co.uk) wrote:

: In article <32458D2B.3104@bc.sympatico.ca>, Barbara Glen

: <Barbara_Glen@bc.sympatico.ca> writes

: >I need advise about whether or not a should bring in my Rosemary plant 

: >just planted this spring -one foot high - Books I've read say yes, but if 

: > this plant grows to 6 feet do you still keep bringing it in - I live on 

: >Vancouver Island - central - winters on semi-mild to cold & wet - Would 

: >covering it with plastic be okay?? hope to hear from anyone anywhere?? 

: >soon... thanks...



: A friend thinks not, only for the first winter and then it should be O.K.

: However in cases of severe frost, bring it in.



I live in Dallas which I believe is the same zone as Vancouver Island.  I

have my rosemary planted in the ground and it's lasted through 3 winters

so far.  Last spring, we had a week where the temperature went from the 80s

to 8.  I did not cover it and it came through fine.  I do have it on the 

south side of a brick wall however.  Also, if you have the variety 'Arp', 

it is much more cold tolerant than the common variety.



Covering plants with plastic is not a good idea.  If you do cover them,

use old sheets.  The problem with plastic is that it will not only keep

the heat in during the night, but if you forget to pull the plastic off,

it will keep the sun's heat in during the day.  You could end up cooking

your rosemary.

					Amy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kava Brew, (in Hawaii--'awa)have you heard of this or tried it?

From: softdyke@aol.com (SOFT DYKE)

Date: 22 Sep 1996 18:38:49 -0400



Wondering if anyone has tried this Kava Brew.  In Hawaii, they call it

'awa.

If you have tried this "tea," please let me know.

It's also know as    piper methysticum.



Thank You,   SD

softdyke@aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Traditional Chineese Herbalism

From: "David M. Union" <dunion@tiac.net>

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:57:17 -0400



Still looking for any sources that I can get on real traditional

chineese herbalism. My focus on sports and physical injury 

treatments. I recently had some herbs put on that did amazing

things for tendon damage - but don't have access to more of the

same and would like to know how to prepare such herbs.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aspirin equivalent

From: techsett@pipeline.com(Technical Assets)

Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:35:02 GMT



What is the herbal equivalent for aspirin.  Some say it is feverfew; are

there any others? 

 

 

-- 

Imar 

------------------- 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aspirin equivalent

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 03:00:45 GMT



techsett@pipeline.com(Technical Assets) wrote:



>What is the herbal equivalent for aspirin.  Some say it is feverfew; are

>there any others? 



The chemical equivalent of aspirin is white willow.  There are many

that have the same action, however.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aspirin equivalent

From: tproy@aol.com (Tproy)

Date: 24 Sep 1996 05:29:26 -0400



White Willow Bark is said to be an aspirin equivalent.



Teresa



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aspirin equivalent

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:04:28 GMT



On 23 Sep 1996 21:35:02 GMT, in alt.folklore.herbs

techsett@pipeline.com(Technical Assets) wrote:



>What is the herbal equivalent for aspirin.  Some say it is feverfew; are

>there any others? 



Feverfew? Naaa. 



Go to the history of the drug:

- Salicylic acid got its name from the Salix species (willow).

- Aspirin got its name from the Spiraea whatever it was called back then,

nowadays Filipendula ulmaria or Meadowsweet.



You use the bark of willow and the buds of meadowsweet (but for meadowsweet the

leaves or roots will also do)



Over here it's usually meadowsweet infusion and bark decoction. Have fun, and

don't expect any of these to -taste- good. They don't.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aspirin equivalent

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 25 Sep 1996 06:46:08 GMT







Technical Assets <techsett@pipeline.com> wrote in article

<526vq6$8l6@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com>...

> herbal equivalent for aspirin. feverfew. . any others? 

> Imar 

> ------- 

Please try to check willow and mint, no guarantee.

Willow for some ingredient reason.

Mint for the function. 

regards yklaw



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aspirin equivalent

From: "C. Jayne Stevens" <gypsyjayne@enterprise.net>

Date: 28 Sep 1996 18:45:42 GMT



Aspirin was originally isolated from white willow bark and a decoction of

same does not have the same adverse side effects on the stomach as the

synthesised drug does.

Another useful herb for headache etc. is meadowsweet.  An infusion of this

is, in spite of what other postings may suggest, very pleasant to taste.

-- 

C. Jayne Stevens.

Bedfordshire, England.

gypsyjayne@enterprise.net



. . . at least the wheels go round . . .



Technical Assets <techsett@pipeline.com> wrote in article

<526vq6$8l6@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com>...

: What is the herbal equivalent for aspirin.  Some say it is feverfew; are

: there any others? 

:  

:  

: -- 

: Imar 

: ------------------- 

: 

: 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Be cautious in your use of the word  "carcinogenic" or"toxic". (was: Re: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

From: rocky@whatsa.matta.u.org (Rocky)

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:16:41 GMT



hayworth@ix.netcom.com (Hayley) wrote:



>On Sun, 15 Sep 1996 02:51:35 c.e., dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC) wrote

>while in therapy:

>

>>Re: Re: LEGAL Smoking Herbs ;)

>> 

>>> English gypsy tobbaco

>>> 75% coltsfoot herb base.

>>> add 25% herb or herbs of your choice, 

>>> rose, lavender, comfrey, dandelion, lemon balm, ect ect. 

>>> rub the mixture between your hands untill it becomes the right

>>> constituancy, then put in a tin with a tightly sealed lid untill used.

>>

>>

>>     Sounds interesting -- however, I must note that coltsfoot & comfrey

>>aren't safe for internal use. Coltsfoot is mildly carcenogenic (sp) and

>>comfrey is just plain bad altogether. ;( I will mix the remainder of the

>>herbs listed along with a few others and see what it's like. Lemon balm

>>sounds interesting!! I grow + use this for tea... ..what a wonderful smoking

>>additive it could make! :D

>>

>>D`'

>>dol@alexus.cts.com  

>>Support KRUEL Maga'Zine

>>

>>Silverlake Computer Services Public Access BBS - (619) 224-1264

>>

>What does "... is just plain bad altogether," mean?

>

>Be a little more specific when you post something is carcinogenic (or

>"plain bad altogether"). Is it carcinogenic to humans? Or to other animals,

>and which animals? What induces cancer in mice may or may not induce cancer

>in humans. The same with substances that are toxic. Mice in a lab cannot

>metabolize the compounds in sassafras root (the recent scare over this herb

>being toxic or carcinogenic), whereas humans have no problems metabolizing

>those compounds. Be careful where and what information you get, info from

>Mice and Humans does not mix. (Why most modern medical studies are a moot

>venture and their studies of herbs (or ANY substance) and their toxicities

>using mice or other animal species should be thrown out.) On the other side

>of the coin, rodents can eat a lot of varieties of mushrooms that would

>kill an adult human from just one mushroom.

>

>Please don't spread more misinformation about herbs. The bought and paid-

>for doctors in this country are doing that enough.  Their income is at

>stake, they have reason to.  The normal followers of herbs are not thus

>handicapped. And we don't need to emulate them.

>

>Note, I am not declaring that your information about these herbs is wrong,

>only I'd like to know where you found the info that they were carcinogenic,

>and to what animals, and in what manner of use.  The best indicator of an

>herb's safety is it's longevity (history) of use by HUMANS. 

>

>And as for anyone claiming "toxicity", don't forget, toxicity in some

>plants is needed.  Your antibiotics you might take are toxic to certain

>species of bacteria, even the good ones in your body, but you take them,

>don't you? More people have died or have become permanently damaged from

>the toxicity of antibiotics than the Lyme Disease they are being used

>against.  There is a type of fern that is highly toxic, and yet is one of

>the best eradicators of intestinal parasites on the planet, taken

>appropriately (yet you will no longer find this plant listed in modern

>herbals because the F.D.A. has banned suggesting the use of it, because it

>was found to be "toxic", -- sillies, it is SUPPOSED TO BE toxic ...

>duU-uh!).  Chemo-therapy is perhaps the MOST toxic treatment ever devised

>for the human body, but I'd like you to try find a cancer specialist (or

>someone from the F.D.A.) that would tell you it should be banned from her

>or his arsenal of tools because it was found to be "toxic".  And then

>declare that it was no longer legal to use or promote the information of

>such a treatment. (Hell, even oxygen is toxic when inhaled at the wrong

>concentrations for the wrong duration. The same can be said for ingesting

>water.)

>

>It's is VERY bad practice to merely say something is generically toxic,

>maybe it is supposed to be toxic in order for it to work properly (when

>used properly).

>

>And make DOUBLY sure you know to WHICH species of animals a plant or

>compound was found to be carcinogenic before saying so.

>

>We need the truth and more of it, we don't need more flippant propaganda

>like the medical community, drug companies, and F.D.A. hand out, day after

>day after day.

>

>The utter flippancy of the phrase "just plain bad altogther" goes without

>saying.  If you are going to share herbal info to try to help others,

>PLEASE -- be more judicious in your choice of words and depth of

>information offered. Or you might be more harmful than helpful. And I'm

>sure that was not your intention. Or was it?





Bravo! (or is that Brava? :)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: fasting/ colon cleansing

From: kimba@tony.bc.edu (Wonderer)

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:55:10 -0400



   Any advice, methods to do this?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: fasting/ colon cleansing

From: FastExpert@aol.com

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:31:05 -0800



In article <kimba-2309961855100001@po18.bc.edu>, kimba@tony.bc.edu

(Wonderer) wrote:



>    Any advice, methods to do this?



          You, Wonderer, and anyone else seriously interested in

intelligent fasting, can find the information you're looking for by

pointing your browser at any search engine and typing in keyword

'fasting'. I'll list a few, and wish you all the very best, as you follow

your intuitive wisdom in taking back a greater degree of control over your

precious body-mind complex. Also, those seriously interested may also

contact me with further questions, or take a look at my extensive Website

on the subject <http://www.fasting.com>. Take Courage, Dennis Paulson,

Founder/Director, Fasting Center International



Some search engines to try:

          http://www.yahoo.com

          http://www.webcrawler.com

          http://www.excite.com

          http://www.metacrawler.com

          http://www.opentext.com

          http://ultra.infoseek.com

          http://www.altavista.com

          http://www.lycos.com

          http://www.hotbot.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: whats a good price for gingko?

From: peat@bga.com (peter J. Farley)

Date: 24 Sep 1996 09:29:08 GMT



i am looking for the standard 40mg tablets of 24% (50:1) stuff.



if the best price is mail order, please include an address.



thanx for reading my post



pete



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Identification of Chinese Herbs

From: Homeofar <homeofar@193.210.154.4>

Date: 24 Sep 96 10:40:42 GMT



Hello,



Homeofar is a pharmaceutical laboratory that produces concentrated 

extracts of Chinese Herbs.



We do this according to GMP-regulations, and we are also trying to obtain 

an ISO 9002-certificate, in order to guarantee the safety and 

effectiveness of the products we commercialise.



The first step in our quality-control system is, of course, the 

identification of the Chinese herbs we use as raw material. We have an 

extensive library of our own, and use a variety of electronic databases to 

find the documentation we need to perform these controls.



There are however a few herbs we can't seem to find any documentation on:



Cortex Erythrinae indicae (HAI TONG PI)

Caulis Spatholobi suberectus (JI XUE TENG)

Radix Tripterygii wilfordii (LEI GONG TENG)



If you can provide us with a macroscopic/microscopic/chemical technique to 

identify these herbs (preferably the processed one), or if you can provide 

any bibliographic reference 

which might help us, we would be very gratefull.



Hopefully, in this way, we can take one step further in the long struggle 

for the approval of herbal remedies.



Erik Malfait





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: 9 yr old girl...sleeping disorder, help!

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:11:05 GMT



Hello:



In my class at school, there is a gentleman who has a nive yr old

daught that has been having trouble sleeping since the end of July.

She is sleeping only about one hour per night.  It is taking its toll

on the girl and her family, needless to say.  The only item he says

she exhibits is perhaps some nervousness. I asked all the pertinent

questions I could think of at the time. He is sure she has not been

molested, (can you tell where I work? <g>) no family upsets, nothing

to put the finger on. I had some lobelia tincture, (my last) with me,

that I used on my tendonitis, and gave it to him, showing him where to

apply it to her. I told him it should help her relax and may help her

to sleep.  Is there any advice out there?  This was a spur of the

moment deal, so this is all the info I have.  Thanks..



Janine





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: 9 yr old girl...sleeping disorder, help!

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:52:01 +0100



In article <527r1l$k9v@news.xmission.com>, Jacob's Well <JWell@cwo.com>

writes

>Hello:

>

>In my class at school, there is a gentleman who has a nive yr old

>daught that has been having trouble sleeping since the end of July.

>She is sleeping only about one hour per night.  It is taking its toll

>on the girl and her family, needless to say.  The only item he says

>she exhibits is perhaps some nervousness. I asked all the pertinent

>questions I could think of at the time. He is sure she has not been

>molested, (can you tell where I work? <g>) no family upsets, nothing

>to put the finger on. I had some lobelia tincture, (my last) with me,

>that I used on my tendonitis, and gave it to him, showing him where to

>apply it to her. I told him it should help her relax and may help her

>to sleep.  Is there any advice out there?  This was a spur of the

>moment deal, so this is all the info I have.  Thanks..

>

>Janine

>



Giving children herbs is difficult, but a simple gentle herb like hops,

made into a tea might well help her, also a hop, lavender and rose herb

pillow might just do the trick. my own daughter had a spell of not

sleeping due to a car accident, she was not seriously hurt, only

frightend. I told her a story about a wonderfull castle, but the castle

had no furniture. I gave her the herb pillow, and said it would like

magic give her the ability to furnish her dream castle. She enjoyed it

so much that now in her thirties she still uses her dream castle to help

her relax, she must have refurnished it about a million times by now.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: 9 yr old girl...sleeping disorder, help!

From: "E.J." <Evlin@netvision.net.il>

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:15:00 -0700



Shez wrote:

> herb

> pillow might just do the trick. my own daughter had a spell of not

> sleeping due to a car accident, she was not seriously hurt, only

> frightend. I told her a story about a wonderfull castle, but the castle

> had no furniture. I gave her the herb pillow, and said it would like

> magic give her the ability to furnish her dream castle. She enjoyed it

> so much that now in her thirties she still uses her dream castle to help

> her relax, she must have refurnished it about a million times by now.

> --

> Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

> The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

> ------------------------------------------------------------------



How do you make a herb pillow?

Thank you



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: essiac recipe

From: p007363b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Elizabeth Spikula)

Date: 24 Sep 1996 12:15:31 GMT



Organization: SEFLIN Free-Net - Palm Beach

Summary: 

Keywords: 





I hope I've logged on this time. I would like to know more about this 

herb. My mother died of breast cancer in 1977. she tried so many herbs. 

Is it a prevenative or cure? I have looked around and can't locate this 

herb any suggestions as where to find it? I plan on making a courtyard 

out of all eatable and herbal plants it should interesting. thanks ellie 

in florida



--



Elizabeth Spikula

p007363b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Elizabeth Spikula <p007363b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: essiac recipe

From: Greenrey <greenrey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:36:51 -0700



Dear Elizabeth,



	My mother was diagnosed with matastasized cancer in August of 

1994, and had a prognosis of 2 to 6 months.  She used essiac, and today 

her doctor can't find any evidence of cancer in her body.  I give her 

story, the recipe she used, and a brief history of essiac (Ojibwa) tea on 

my homepage as a public service to any interested.  The URL is:



	http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1982



	I hope that my site may be able to answer some of your questions.



Best Wishes,



Greenrey



-- 

"Be ashamed to die until you have won

 some victory for mankind."

		--Horace Mann, 1859

The time is NOW!  Do your part.

greenrey@worldnet.att.net    -or-    awynnhi@kes.miracosta.cc.ca.us

Visit Greenrey's Study at:  http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1982/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: essiac recipe

From: joyce@mcs.com (Joyce)

Date: 26 Sep 1996 07:49:36 GMT





Look up Flor-Essence in a search tool such as AltaVista, or Infoseek.

Essiac is a combination of 4 herbs.  There are other trade names.

If you can't find it  email me.

joyce@mcs.net



In article <528jd3$e63@nntp.seflin.lib.fl.us>, p007363b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Elizabeth Spikula) says:

>

>Organization: SEFLIN Free-Net - Palm Beach

>Summary: 

>Keywords: 

>

>

>I hope I've logged on this time. I would like to know more about this 

>herb. My mother died of breast cancer in 1977. she tried so many herbs. 

>Is it a prevenative or cure? I have looked around and can't locate this 

>herb any suggestions as where to find it? I plan on making a courtyard 

>out of all eatable and herbal plants it should interesting. thanks ellie 

>in florida

>

>--

>

>Elizabeth Spikula

>p007363b@pbfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Iced tea with mint

From: dennis@rapidcity.com

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:49:32 GMT



Neil <neilsle@dircon.co.uk> wrote:



>I'm told by those on rec.food.drink.tea that there were a number of

>recipes on this newsgroup for iced tea with mint.



>Any chance of reposting them? Or sending them to me by eMail? 



>Thanks



>Neil in London



For teas made from fresh mint leaves, use 1/2 up chopped herb to 1 cup

boiling water; of the dried herb, use 1 to 2 teaspoons per cup water.

For all mint teas, steep only 5 minutes.  Mint teas aid the digestion

and are suitable for children.  For iced tea use twice as much mint in

the brewing process.  After brewing is complete transfer to container

of ice.

	dennis@rapidnet.com









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Iced tea with mint

From: "C. Jayne Stevens" <gypsyjayne@enterprise.net>

Date: 28 Sep 1996 18:45:34 GMT



Always noting that mint tea, like all herbal teas, does not contain tea

:~)

-- 

C. Jayne Stevens.

Bedfordshire, England.

gypsyjayne@enterprise.net



. . . at least the wheels go round . . .



dennis@rapidcity.com wrote in article <5294kj$qpd@news.corpcomm.net>...

: Neil <neilsle@dircon.co.uk> wrote:

: 

: >I'm told by those on rec.food.drink.tea that there were a number of

: >recipes on this newsgroup for iced tea with mint.

: 

: >Any chance of reposting them? Or sending them to me by eMail? 

: 

: >Thanks

: 

: >Neil in London

: 

: For teas made from fresh mint leaves, use 1/2 up chopped herb to 1 cup

: boiling water; of the dried herb, use 1 to 2 teaspoons per cup water.

: For all mint teas, steep only 5 minutes.  Mint teas aid the digestion

: and are suitable for children.  For iced tea use twice as much mint in

: the brewing process.  After brewing is complete transfer to container

: of ice.

: 	dennis@rapidnet.com

: 

: 

: 

: 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Iced tea with mint

From: Michael Redman <mredman@bvoice.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 22:24:03 +0000



dennis@rapidcity.com wrote:

> For all mint teas, steep only 5 minutes.    





Why? I have steeped peppermint & spearmint for up to 1/2 hour and

haven't noticed anything wrong with the taste -- at least not the bitter

taste that I've found with over-brewing black teas.



Am I doing something wrong?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need info on Naturopathy schools in the US

From: dennis@rapidcity.com

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:16:40 GMT



Hi there,

	does anyone have any information on naturopathy schools in the US.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.  Many Thanks 

	dennis@rapidnet.com







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need info on Naturopathy schools in the US

From: mrp8274@silver.sdsmt.edu (Matthew Parsons)

Date: 25 Sep 1996 04:14:22 GMT



I know that there is one in Seattle called Bastyr.  I don't know much

more, sorry.  I don't think that there are that many that are accredited

in the U.S.

 

-- 

Matthew R. Parsons

mrp8274@silver.sdsmt.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Recipe for Licorice tea

From: dennis@rapidcity.com

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:21:04 GMT



This is a great little recipe I've been using for bronchitis:

	1part-Althea leaves

	1part-High mallow

	1part-Licorice root

	2-parts-Flax seed

Bring 1 tsp. in 1/2 cup water to a boil, sweeten with honey; take 1/2

cup, 2 or 3 times a day, as hot as possible.

	dennis@rapidnet.com







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: eden

From: kgrebert@aol.com (KGrebert)

Date: 24 Sep 1996 15:03:58 -0400



Hi -

Has anyone heard of or used a product made from the leaf of the olive

tree? It is marketed as Eden....Wondering .....



Kim

Kim



"Some things must be believed to be seen." unknown



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Canola oil

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:15:24 GMT



I saw a question on another NG that I haven't seen an answer too. I

also don't know the answer.  What beneficial properties does canola

oil have?



thanks









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Canola oil

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 24 Sep 1996 19:15:05 -0700



JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well) wrote:



>I saw a question on another NG that I haven't seen an answer too. I

>also don't know the answer.  What beneficial properties does canola

>oil have?



It is a vegetable oil - therefore has no cholesterol and would be low

in saturated fats.  Nothing to make you rush to the market ...

safflower, sesame, and corn pol would be about the same.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Canola oil

From: Tina <tdmodol@pacbell.com>

Date: 26 Sep 1996 02:39:30 GMT



callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:

>JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well) wrote:

>

>>I saw a question on another NG that I haven't seen an answer too. I

>>also don't know the answer.  What beneficial properties does canola

>>oil have?

>

>It is a vegetable oil - therefore has no cholesterol and would be low

>in saturated fats.  Nothing to make you rush to the market ...

>safflower, sesame, and corn pol would be about the same.

>

>Callie

>



According to Jean Carper in "Stop Aging Now" The worst oils to ingest are 

safflower, sunflower and corn oil beacause they are high in omega-6 

polyunsaturated fatty acids.  This is based on free radical research.  

Polyunsaturated fats are supposed to turn rancid very easily and actually 

"rot" or oxidize your fat cells.  The best oils are extra virgin olive 

oil, flaxeed oil and possibly canola oil because they have the least 

omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids.

Omega-6 fats are worse if they are solidified or hydrogenated, because 

they are high in trans fatty acids which create additional free radical 

damage.  

She quotes several researchers on this subject.

It caused me to throw out my mayonnaise and margarine!!!  I only use 

olive oil, and occasionally use mayo and margarine made from canola oil. 

Anyone found any mayo or margarine product made from olive oil???



Tina







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Canola oil

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 26 Sep 1996 15:19:31 GMT



snip.. 

...  The best oils are extra virgin olive 

> oil, flaxeed oil and possibly canola oil because they have the least 

> omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acids.

> Omega-6 fats are worse if they are solidified or hydrogenated, because 

> they are high in trans fatty acids which create additional free radical 

> damage.  

> She quotes several researchers on this subject.

> It caused me to throw out my mayonnaise and margarine!!!  I only use 

> olive oil, and occasionally use mayo and margarine made from canola oil. 

> Anyone found any mayo or margarine product made from olive oil???

> 

> Tina

 

 

Tina; You are right! I especially hate hydrogenated oils. Why do we

have to tolerate them in our prepared foods and snack items after

all these years? Let's start a "group" to protest/boycott foods with

hydrogenated oils. I offer my services on a part time basis to help

get this off the ground. I can not do it alone, however. Anyone 

please reply publicly or e-mail if they too can help. (Just check

your prepared foods labels carefully to see how prevalent this

"junk" oil is!)



                             In good health (through herbs), Jerry



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Canola oil

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jwell)

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 06:38:49 GMT



callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote these amazing words:



>JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well) wrote:



>>I saw a question on another NG that I haven't seen an answer too. I

>>also don't know the answer.  What beneficial properties does canola

>>oil have?



>It is a vegetable oil - therefore has no cholesterol and would be low

>in saturated fats.  Nothing to make you rush to the market ...

>safflower, sesame, and corn pol would be about the same.



I should have said as a massage oil. Sorry..:(





>Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

>http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.pets.cats

Subject: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: fourthnt@netcom.com (Judith Scothern)

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:16:04 GMT



My cats are currently infested with fleas.  I'd prefer to avoid using

flea powder on them and wondered if there are any herbal remedies I 

could use instead.  I had heard that an infusion of rosemary and pennyroyal

make a good dip.



Thanks for any help.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.pets.cats

Subject: Re: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: Tina <tdmodol@pacbell.com>

Date: 24 Sep 1996 21:51:47 GMT



try mixing brewer's yeast in their food or a eucalyptus bud collar.  

also, many pet supply stores have natural fea sprays now.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.pets.cats

Subject: Re: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: gizmo.nahallac@worldnet.att.net

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:02:49 -0400



Tina wrote:

> 

> try mixing brewer's yeast in their food or a eucalyptus bud collar.

> also, many pet supply stores have natural fea sprays now.



Isn't eucalyptus poisonous? that's what i heard.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: naganadi@aol.com (Naganadi)

Date: 24 Sep 1996 22:22:41 -0400



I know gorillas and capuchins use piper as a repellent.  It works well on

humans too.  Check it out!



David



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: alien338@aol.com (Alien338)

Date: 25 Sep 1996 11:03:16 -0400



The herb pennyroyal, a member of the mint family, is used in collars, and

does an excellent job of repelling fleas. Collars containing the herb can

be found at pet shops.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.pets.cats

Subject: Re: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: Tina <tdmodol@pacbell.com>

Date: 26 Sep 1996 02:46:00 GMT



gizmo.nahallac@worldnet.att.net wrote:

>Tina wrote:

>> 

>> try mixing brewer's yeast in their food or a eucalyptus bud collar.

>> also, many pet supply stores have natural fea sprays now.

>

>Isn't eucalyptus poisonous? that's what i heard.



Maybe if it's ingested, I dont know.  I have seen many pet supply stores 

carry eucalyptus bud collars.  I have sprinkled the oil around the rug 

before, too.  Also, I have recently used a natural flea spray containing 

citronella which works better than anything else I've ever tried.

Tina







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.pets.cats

Subject: Re: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: byrnes@melb.alexia.net.au (Vanessa Meachen)

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 14:12:28 GMT



In article <324876A9.B@worldnet.att.net>, gizmo.nahallac@worldnet.att.net wrote:

>Tina wrote:

>> 

>> try mixing brewer's yeast in their food or a eucalyptus bud collar.

>> also, many pet supply stores have natural fea sprays now.

>

>Isn't eucalyptus poisonous? that's what i heard.



It's certainly not poisonous to humans except in huge doses, as the oil has 

been used in cough lozenges for years here in Australia and has also been 

given internally. It could be poisonous to cats, like pennyroyal, although I 

know it's been used in ointments for dogs and horses.



Vanessa.



Come and visit Vanessa's Pagan Page.

Paganism, herbs, literature and cult TV. Updated weekly.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6707/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.pets.cats

Subject: Re: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:06:49 GMT



fourthnt@netcom.com (Judith Scothern) wrote:



>My cats are currently infested with fleas.  I'd prefer to avoid using

>flea powder on them and wondered if there are any herbal remedies I 

>could use instead.  I had heard that an infusion of rosemary and pennyroyal

>make a good dip.



Do not use pennyroyal on cats.  According to cat afficianados, it is

not safe for them (but is fine for dogs).  Many herb shops carry flea

repellants for cats.



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.pets.cats

Subject: Re: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: josie@netaxs.com (josie)

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 96 08:47:53 GMT



What has always worked for me is a combination of eucalyptus and 

citronella.  Since only 10% of the fleas are on the host at any given 

time you have to treat your whole house, particularly any areas that 

are frequented by the cat.  Wash the cat, if possible, using whatever 

shampoo you favor, and then comb into the fur the mixture of essential 

oils.  If your cat refuses to be washed the combing will still be 

effective, just take longer.  Next mix some of the oil with a little 

alcohol and a lot of water in a mister, shake well an mist the house.

	It will take a few days to work, but there will be a sharp drop 

off of fleas to begin with, with an occasional half hearted one found 

now and again (particularly if your cats go outside).  You have to keep 

up the misting every few days for the duration of flea season in your 

area.

	Best of luck.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.pets.cats

Subject: Re: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: joyce@mcs.com (Joyce)

Date: 26 Sep 1996 07:46:51 GMT





Pennyroyal, right.  Also oil of pennyroyal.  Can find with other herbal

oils.  Nichols Herbs had it last I looked.



Oil of pennyroyal  6 drops in a quart of soapy water, also gets rid

of roaches.  Used it in Texas, where they are BIG.  They walked out!

My friedn Gail decided to be extra clean and bleached the countertops

and walls,floor.  They came walking back in.  We sprayed the soap-pennyroyal

oil solution, and they left again.  I grow pennyroyal in the summer garden,

then pack it dry in little fabric pillowettes about 6 inches square.

or a muslin drawstring pouch.  Put it in the animal's bed.  Also spray

pet with water-oil solution.  It is a great help and deterrent.  If you

have to do something drastic w. chemicals, at least the herbal helpers

will lessen if not remove the problem.

In article <fourthntDy96yt.3nq@netcom.com>, fourthnt@netcom.com (Judith Scothern) says:

>

>My cats are currently infested with fleas.  I'd prefer to avoid using

>flea powder on them and wondered if there are any herbal remedies I 

>could use instead.  I had heard that an infusion of rosemary and pennyroyal

>make a good dip.

>

>Thanks for any help.

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.pets.cats

Subject: Re: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: essjay@source.com.au (SJ Farrell)

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:26:19 +1000



Judith, I use dryed, finely ground pennyroyal mixed with a bit of

catnip. (about 10:1)  Rub it in well, amd sprinkle on favourite sleeping

places as well.



Suzanne



Judith Scothern <fourthnt@netcom.com> wrote:



> My cats are currently infested with fleas.  I'd prefer to avoid using

> flea powder on them and wondered if there are any herbal remedies I 

> could use instead.  I had heard that an infusion of rosemary and pennyroyal

> make a good dip.

> 

> Thanks for any help.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to repell fleas from pets?

From: herbalincl@aol.com (HerbalIncl)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 01:14:08 -0400



As someone had mentioned earlier essential oil of pennyroyal is toxic to

cats. They may ingest too much of the oil as they clean themselves. The

use of  e.o. of pennyroyal should also be prohibited by pregnant women as

it is known as an aborticant - preg. women may absorb it through the skin

while preparing a flea dip, etc. The leaves can be used in bedding

however.

Pat & Liz

Herbal Inclinations



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: strep?

From: Dixie <johnsone@spot.Colorado.EDU>

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:41:14 -0600



Hi folks,



After years of getting strep & Dr. treating it w/ antibiotics, I began to

get allergic reactions to antibiotics.  So for about 2 years, have been

using acidopholis & C & steaming my face etc.



Having had heart murmur as a child, worry about strep harming my heart.



Is there anything HERBAL & not antibiotic I should be doing?



Thank you

Dixie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Glaucoma -- RFI for Herbs to Treat, etc.

From: aherbst@cibola.net (Anthony Herbst)

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:31:00 GMT



It is well known that cannibis can reduce eye pressure.  Question:

What other (legal) herbs can also reduce the pressure?  Also, what

herbs have the known side effect of raising the pressure?  Your help

and advice would be appreciated.  Thanks.



Tony Herbst <aherbst@utep.edu>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Glaucoma -- RFI for Herbs to Treat, etc.

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 22:16:48 GMT



In article <32488a9a.21272384@news.cibola.net>,

   aherbst@cibola.net (Anthony Herbst) wrote:

>It is well known that cannibis can reduce eye pressure.  Question:

>What other (legal) herbs can also reduce the pressure?  Also, what

>herbs have the known side effect of raising the pressure?  Your help

>and advice would be appreciated.  Thanks.

>

>Tony Herbst <aherbst@utep.edu>

>



Tony,

   Fennel eye baths alternated with chamomile eye baths are helpful.Also 

rutin, a component of vitamin C will help.My mother used the rutin and brought 

her intraocular pressure down when the doc's drugs didn't.Try to avoid 

caffeinated drinks and tobacco and avoid eyestrain.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: PCP Pneumonia help needed

From: lsaegert@sprynet.com (lsaegert)

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:50:03 GMT



Please email me back with your suggestions for a 40 yo male who was just dx

with PCP. He is in good shape, has lost no weight, and has been HIV+ for 6

years. He neither drinks nor smokes.



Thank you,

Linda Saegert

Herbology Student



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: rose water

From: ngroovy@aol.com (NGroovy)

Date: 24 Sep 1996 23:10:35 -0400



Does anyone have any information on rose water? (i.e. its making, uses,

etc.)



NGroovy@Aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: rose water

From: "C. Jayne Stevens" <gypsyjayne@enterprise.net>

Date: 28 Sep 1996 18:45:06 GMT



Rose water can be made as you would expect it to be: - by steeping petals

in distilled water.  Or, better still, buy it from a supermarket.  This is

easier and, all things considered, probably cheaper.  Its use, as far as I

am aware, is mainly culinary.

-- 

C. Jayne Stevens.

Bedfordshire, England.

gypsyjayne@enterprise.net



. . . at least the wheels go round . . .



NGroovy <ngroovy@aol.com> wrote in article

<52a7rb$7r@newsbf02.news.aol.com>...

: Does anyone have any information on rose water? (i.e. its making, uses,

: etc.)

: 

: NGroovy@Aol.com

: 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: rose water

From: oneshoe@ix.netcom.com(JULIE PERRIGO )

Date: 28 Sep 1996 23:58:28 GMT



To make rosewater use 10 cups fragrant rose petals.

2 1\2 cups distilled water

1 tsp liquid storax

1 tsp tincture of benzion

Put the rose petals and water into a pan which has a tight-fitting lid.

bring to a boil slowly, reduce the heat, and simmer very slowly for 2

hours.  Remove from the heat and leave to infuse for about 48 hours.

Bring the water and the petals to a boil again, simmer for a further

hour and leave to cool. Strain through a non-metallic strainer,

pressing the petals against the sides to extract the maximum fragrance.

 Stir in the storax and tincture of benzoin.  Pour into bottles, cover

and lable.  Makes about 2 1\2 cups.   In

<52a7rb$7r@newsbf02.news.aol.com> ngroovy@aol.com (NGroovy) writes: 

>

>Does anyone have any information on rose water? (i.e. its making,

uses,

>etc.)

>

>NGroovy@Aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: PLEASE READ :Small survey for Pharmacy Student

From: kodiak@is.dal.ca (Timone)

Date: 25 Sep 1996 11:28:11 GMT



Thank You for taking the time to read this. I am conducting a short survey on

the topic of AROMATHERAPY. It would be much appreciated if you could spare

2 minutes of your time to fill this out and help me with my pharmacy project.

My goal is to find out who knows about aromatherapy and how much they know.



STEPS   1) choose to "Reply" to this survey with whatever software you are

        using

        2) choose to "Include Original Message in Your Reply"

        3) simply move down to the blanks and fill in your reply

        4) send message

        5) feel good that you helped someone out :) Thanks!



1. Have you ever heard of aromatherapy? (Y or N) _____

        if No go to question 11



2. How long have you known about aromatherapy? ____________________________



3. How did you first find out about aromatherapy? ___________________________



4. What is your profession? Please be specific_____________________________



5. What country and state/province are you from______________________________



6. Please put an X near your age group...

        < 20    _____

        20 - 30 _____

        30 - 40 _____

        40 - 50 _____

        50 - 60 _____

        > 60    _____



7. Have you ever performed or received aromatherapy? (P or R) ______________



8. If you have received aromatherapy, what for?_____________________________

                                   did it work?____________

9. What are your views on aromatherapy? Benefits? Misconceptions? Usefulness?

Please feel free to use as much space as necessary.





10. Would you like aromatherapy to be offered by more health professionals

i.e. nurses, physiotherapists, and occupational therapists? ________________



11. Would you like to learn more about aromatherapy? _____________________



Thank You for your response. Please send the message by replying to me and

not the Newsgroup. Encourage friends, family, and colleagues to reply .....

the more the merrier.



Have a Good Day!



Paul Pineo

Dalhousie University

Nova Scotia, Canada

E-mail : kodiak@is2.dal.ca



Feel free to mail me any questions you may have.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.culture.oregon,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Holistic Health Care

From: "Nexist [DAR]" <nexist@hevanet.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:33:41 -0700



I was wondering if anyone knew of a competent Holistic Physician in the

Portland, Oregon area?

-- 

93 93/93

Nexist    [ http://www.hevanet.com/nexist/ ]

---

"What is the world? What is it? It is nothing. If it is, why is it? The

World is as nothing."

- inscription on a tombstone at San Lorenzo Maggiore



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re. Strep

From: Rodney Hughes & Glenyce Mork <rhughes@agt.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:56:04 -0600



The last time I got strep throat I gargled every hour with cider vinegar 

 - tasted really bad but I was cured very quickly.

Glenyce



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tea tree

From: Rodney Hughes & Glenyce Mork <rhughes@agt.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:02:45 -0600



As far as I know Tea tree doesn't need to be diluted. I use it straight 

on everything and it works great!!

Glenyce



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Siberian ginseng

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:07:12 -0500



Siberian ginseng DOES not belong to the same family as Am. ginseng.

Latin name is Eleutherococcus senticosus for Siberian ginseng.

The latin name for American ginseng is Panax quinquefolius.

Latin name for Chinese ginseng is Panax ginseng. Only Panax family

ginseng has true ginseng properties. 

	Chinese ginseng is truely rare and commands a high price.

Am. ginseng (wild) is becoming scarce and is being bought for around

$400 a pound dried now (about 100 roots) which is why it is becoming

scarce.

	Siberian ginseng has some of the true ginseng properties, but

not many and should not be confused with the real thing. This is how

some health food stores rip off the novices. Also they sell ginseng 

tea most of which has little or no true ginseng. Read the labels!

Please. If you want the real thing email me for prices.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Siberian ginseng

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 26 Sep 1996 15:57:45 GMT



jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com> wrote:

>

> Siberian ginseng DOES not belong to the same family as Am. ginseng.

> Latin name is Eleutherococcus senticosus for Siberian ginseng.

> The latin name for American ginseng is Panax quinquefolius.

snip....





Jim; You are right in most of what you say EXCEPT that Siberian 

ginseng DOES belong to the same plant family as the other ginsengs.

(Araliaceae) It is about as closely related to the others as, say,

squash and pumpkins are to each other. I have taken both korean and 

Siberian (Eleuthero) ginseng and can't see a whole lot of difference

in effect. For 1/3 the price I'll stick to the Siberian ginseng, 

thank you!



                         In good health (through herbs), Jerry    





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Siberian ginseng

From: jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:02:27 -0500



jerry smith wrote:

> 

> jim davis <grizzley@netheaven.com> wrote:

> >

> > Siberian ginseng DOES not belong to the same family as Am. ginseng.

> > Latin name is Eleutherococcus senticosus for Siberian ginseng.

> > The latin name for American ginseng is Panax quinquefolius.

> snip....

> 

> Jim; You are right in most of what you say EXCEPT that Siberian

> ginseng DOES belong to the same plant family as the other ginsengs.



You're right. Sorry for the misinfo. I was confusing family with 

genus species.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pain Doctors Listed by State Narcotics

From: painlaw <painlaw@jnpcs.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 01:53:17 -0400



Hi! I know you are sick and tired of my posts unless you are a one of

the 50 million pain patients in the USA. I don't take money I do this

for love so of course its hard for people to believe that I am for real

but I am. In short if you need the name of a doctor who treats pain with

narcotics in your state or if you are a doctor or know of doctors I am

the person to talk to. We need to get the dirty little secret about

chronic pain out from under the rug.People should have the same right

as  was offered to even Jesus on the cross and that is Narcotics for

pain modulation. Pain sufferers need not take their lives,because of the

pain they are enduring. There may not be answer to all pain but why not

decrease the amount by using the medications that are cheap and

reliable? It is well knowen that chronic pain patients have neligable

addiction potential.Narcotics do develop tolerance as with even oxygen

and insulin. I hope I am not preaching to the choir, but if you need or

can help with information,please email or call.My web site is being

developed and will be online asap.It will contain pain policy by state,

information on research on narcotics and pain,a packet of info for

patients to educate their doctors with, and even pictures of how chronic

pain changes the structure of the brain, as well as names and numbers of

doctors by state.

If you are a person who is reading this an attempt to find easily

accessable drugs to abuse and sell.I feel sorry for you because of the

issues you are dealing with, but if you try going to any of the doctors

we list you will find that these doctors are very streetwise and you

will be wasting your time. These doctors do drug screens,check for fresh

tracks and back track through piles of medical records.If on the other

hand you have used drugs in the past and are now in intractable pain you

will find that these doctors are compassionate and caring and will treat

you for your pain.If you are a doctor who is in trouble for treating

pain or overprescribing let those you have healed now attempt to buffer

you from the powers that be.My phone is (703)256-PAIN EST best to call

between 12-4 pm and 9-10pm ring twice and I answer in two so keep your

dime or a machine will pick up.If you email me let me know your syndrome

and your state and city.At present we are looking for further info on

the following states and anyone with knowledge should contact

me.Utah,North Dakota,Michigan,Florida,Iowa,Montana,Kansas,New Mexico

Thanks Susan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbalist in LA

From: Gregory Norton <gnorton@primenet.com>

Date: 25 Sep 1996 23:09:05 -0700



Can anyone recommend a good herbalist in the Los Angeles area?



Please respond to:

pfloyd@primenet.com



thanks -Paul



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,act.com

Subject: St. John's Wort Info -The Hypericum Home Page (not a sales pitch)

From: Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com>

Date: 26 Sep 1996 06:33:51 GMT



Sorry if you've seen this page before, but I found it very interesting.



http://www.hypericum.com/toc.htm



Good info on St. John's Wort for depression - includes 16 studies.  The 

introduction to the studies is very interesting.  Mentions several 

different American brand products they find to be of "research" grade.



Check it out.



dn







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.magick.folk

Subject: Thankyou

From: Cher <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca>

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 05:21:46 -0600



Thank you for all the suggestions about Bursitis... we will be trying

them!



Black Widow







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Are They Head Lice???

From: Carolyn Shaw <shaws@ecsis.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 06:51:02 -0700



Hi!



  Does anyone know how to get rid of these things? We have recently

moved south and I have never had to deal with these critters before. We

have been here a little over two months and I have treated my daughters

hair FIVE times with the chemical stuff.....nasty!



  I have tried rinsing her hair with vinegar before the treatment, and

last night, two nights after treatment ran through her head with the

comb and she was full of little bitty ones again. I am not even sure

this is what they are, they could be fleas for all I know. I am willing

to do this every night, it gives us a chance to be together for an hour

or so <G> (her hair is waist length) and chat about things. I'd really

rather do it just to be together tho....



  Is it possible for anything other than lice to inhabit hair? I have

not seen any "nits", just these little crawly things. We have several

stray dogs in the area and she loves them.....no matter what I tell her

about how sick they could possibly be (mangy). 



  Any help would sure be appreciated.....I don't want her getting sick

or losing her hair.....



Thanks,



Carolyn

-- 

Hate & Rage are four letter words.....so are Love & Hope.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are They Head Lice???

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 26 Sep 1996 06:03:02 -0700



Carolyn Shaw <shaws@ecsis.net> wrote:



>Are They Head Lice???

   First of all - look at one under a strong magnifying glass ... they

should be a greyish white, flat broad bodied, with 6 strong-looking

legs with claws.  They are slow moving, usually clinging to hairs.

(look like mobile dandruff)

  If that's what they look like, they are head lice.  Fleas are dark,

with narrow (flattened side to side) bodies, and they HOP!  Mites are

tiny, 8-legged things.

  Ticks are a possibility ... dark bodied, 6-legged at one stage of

their life cycle, 8-legged as they mature, can be pinhead size to 1/4

inch long depending on sex, age and species.

  What is your environment?  City or rural?



>  Is it possible for anything other than lice to inhabit hair?

  Yup .... ticks, mites, mange mites, and fleas (unlikely you could

comb them out - they hop).

> I have

>not seen any "nits", just these little crawly things. We have several

>stray dogs in the area and she loves them.....no matter what I tell her

>about how sick they could possibly be (mangy). 

   Dogs and cats can have ticks, fleas, lice, and mites that will

spread to humans readily.  Birds have lice and mites.  They don't

usually create a sustainable population, but they can cause a lot of

itching.    You can acquire an infestation of plant mites (spider

mites) from contact with infested bushes ... 

  Call animal control about the dogs - they could be carrying far

worse than insects ... like rabies.  She is also at risk for ringworm

(a fungal skin infection).

  Consider cuttin her hair short enough that it is easy to wash and

dry, or until she is old enough to understand the concept of parasites

and contamination.

Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are They Head Lice???

From: Carolyn Shaw <shaws@ecsis.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:36:16 -0700



Hi Callie,



Callie wrote:



> >Are They Head Lice???

>    First of all - look at one under a strong magnifying glass ... they

> should be a greyish white, flat broad bodied, with 6 strong-looking

> legs with claws.  They are slow moving, usually clinging to hairs.

> (look like mobile dandruff)



These are transparent with a vein running the length of their bodies, as

far as I can see. I haven't a magnifying glass (unpacked at least :)).

They have wings which makes me think they may be fleas but I'm certainly

no insect expert! 



>   What is your environment?  City or rural?



We are in western Tennessee, in the country, surrounded by cotton

fields.

> 

> >  Is it possible for anything other than lice to inhabit hair?

>   Yup .... ticks, mites, mange mites, and fleas (unlikely you could

> comb them out - they hop).



I wonder if the water, shampoo and vinegar stun them just a bit.

Whatever they are, they are still alive......



>    Dogs and cats can have ticks, fleas, lice, and mites that will

> spread to humans readily.  Birds have lice and mites.  They don't

> usually create a sustainable population, but they can cause a lot of

> itching.    You can acquire an infestation of plant mites (spider

> mites) from contact with infested bushes ...



She doesn't seem to have any sores on her, I have been keeping a very

careful eye.....I wonder, even tho the boxes say it kills the eggs, if

they aren't just hatching...I seem to get them all and check her what

seems like every five minutes......



>   Call animal control about the dogs - they could be carrying far

> worse than insects ... like rabies.  She is also at risk for ringworm

> (a fungal skin infection).



They have been out here twice that I am aware of since I have been

here.....he is aware there is mange (he is the one who told me about

it). the first time he took three, yesterday he took two, but he says

that unless we all spray the yards with diazion (sp?) and everyone dips

their animals, it's pretty pointless. Also, there are still animals

running around loose....



>   Consider cuttin her hair short enough that it is easy to wash and

> dry, or until she is old enough to understand the concept of parasites

> and contamination.



We ahve been discussing this with her and I believe she is getting the

point. She doesn't want her hair cut and to be honest, I'd rather comb

through it ten times a day than cut it.......



Are youa ware of anything other than the vinegar rinse I can use on her?

My mother said they used to use kerosene.....what a horrible thought!!!



Carolyn

-- 

Hate & Rage are four letter words.....so are Love & Hope.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are They Head Lice???

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:53:27 GMT



Carolyn Shaw <shaws@ecsis.net> wrote these amazing words:





If you don't take her to a vet, then douse her with kerosene. 

It appears that what you have done, isn't working. Go the extra yard.

Before you cut the hair.





>Hi Callie,



>Callie wrote:



>> >Are They Head Lice???

>>    First of all - look at one under a strong magnifying glass ... they

>> should be a greyish white, flat broad bodied, with 6 strong-looking

>> legs with claws.  They are slow moving, usually clinging to hairs.

>> (look like mobile dandruff)



>These are transparent with a vein running the length of their bodies, as

>far as I can see. I haven't a magnifying glass (unpacked at least :)).

>They have wings which makes me think they may be fleas but I'm certainly

>no insect expert! 



>>   What is your environment?  City or rural?



>We are in western Tennessee, in the country, surrounded by cotton

>fields.

>> 

>> >  Is it possible for anything other than lice to inhabit hair?

>>   Yup .... ticks, mites, mange mites, and fleas (unlikely you could

>> comb them out - they hop).



>I wonder if the water, shampoo and vinegar stun them just a bit.

>Whatever they are, they are still alive......



>>    Dogs and cats can have ticks, fleas, lice, and mites that will

>> spread to humans readily.  Birds have lice and mites.  They don't

>> usually create a sustainable population, but they can cause a lot of

>> itching.    You can acquire an infestation of plant mites (spider

>> mites) from contact with infested bushes ...



>She doesn't seem to have any sores on her, I have been keeping a very

>careful eye.....I wonder, even tho the boxes say it kills the eggs, if

>they aren't just hatching...I seem to get them all and check her what

>seems like every five minutes......



>>   Call animal control about the dogs - they could be carrying far

>> worse than insects ... like rabies.  She is also at risk for ringworm

>> (a fungal skin infection).



>They have been out here twice that I am aware of since I have been

>here.....he is aware there is mange (he is the one who told me about

>it). the first time he took three, yesterday he took two, but he says

>that unless we all spray the yards with diazion (sp?) and everyone dips

>their animals, it's pretty pointless. Also, there are still animals

>running around loose....



>>   Consider cuttin her hair short enough that it is easy to wash and

>> dry, or until she is old enough to understand the concept of parasites

>> and contamination.



>We ahve been discussing this with her and I believe she is getting the

>point. She doesn't want her hair cut and to be honest, I'd rather comb

>through it ten times a day than cut it.......



>Are youa ware of anything other than the vinegar rinse I can use on her?

>My mother said they used to use kerosene.....what a horrible thought!!!



>Carolyn

>-- 

>Hate & Rage are four letter words.....so are Love & Hope.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are They Head Lice???

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:45:18 GMT



They discuss this topic a lot on misc.kids.health, and 

there have been non-chemical treatments posted that people

say work much better.



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are They Head Lice???

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 19:41:36 -0400



If they are head lice, you need to start getting rid of bedding, hats,

combs, etc, or treating them also (sometimes it is just easier to throw

them out).  I had a friend with whose kids had this problem, and the

reinfection finally got traced back to a favorite knit cap.  Head lice can

move pretty fast from one item to the next.



For treating the head, coconut or pine-tar based shampoos are recommended

in "Natural Insect Repellents" by Janette Grainger & Connie Moore.  Also

mixing an essential oil with a high quality vegetable or olive oil,

combing it through the hair, wrapping the hair in saran wrap or other

tight plastic (to prevent them from just leaving to a new host) and then

shampooing after two hours.  Among the essential oils recommended are

anise seed, camphor, eucalyptus, pine and sassafras.  Pick one and mix it

one part essential to three parts vegetable oil.



Head lice rarely live on dogs or cats.  They prefer humans.



Hope this helps,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm







  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are They Head Lice???

From: Henrietta_Dukes@RedwoodFN.org (Henrietta Dukes)

Date: 28 Sep 1996 08:04:09 GMT



Years ago when I was staying with some people before I knew what head 

lice was, they used Listerine all of the time. It seemed to work. 

Does anyone else know anything about using Listerine for head lice. 

This was back in the early 70s.



~~~~~~~Henri~~~~~~~

Friends of the Free-Net

Member & RFN User



Long Live the Free-Net!



--- OffRoad 1.9p registered to Henrietta Dukes





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are They Head Lice???

From: brenda@linknet.net

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 23:55:52 GMT



I too have a lice problem, I cannot get the tiny eggs out of my

daughter's hair without breaking the hair itself, does anyone know of

something that loosens the glue they (nits) are cemented on with???

She cannot return to school until they are gone and its been a week,

no live bugs came back, but they want the eggs all out !!!!

Please help....



Carolyn Shaw <shaws@ecsis.net> wrote:

>  Does anyone know how to get rid of these things? We have recently

>moved south and I have never had to deal with these critters before. We

>have been here a little over two months and I have treated my daughters

>hair FIVE times with the chemical stuff.....nasty!

My daughter had a horrible reation to the chemicals last weekend, I

live in Louisiana and this is the second time for us, but my son got

rid of them quickly.

>  I have tried rinsing her hair with vinegar before the treatment, and

>last night, two nights after treatment ran through her head with the

>comb and she was full of little bitty ones again. I am not even sure

>this is what they are, they could be fleas for all I know. I am willing

>to do this every night, it gives us a chance to be together for an hour

>or so <G> (her hair is waist length) and chat about things. I'd really

>rather do it just to be together tho....

Have you looked up a photo of them on the internet yet to see if you

can positively identify them???? Fleas are almost black and the lice

are so barely brown they look sort of clear....let me know and I can

send you a website to visit or perhaps a .gif of them.

>  Is it possible for anything other than lice to inhabit hair? I have

>not seen any "nits", just these little crawly things. We have several

>stray dogs in the area and she loves them.....no matter what I tell her

>about how sick they could possibly be (mangy). 

You might be seeing the secondary life stage of the lice, and the nits

are very hard to find on light colored hair.

>  Any help would sure be appreciated.....I don't want her getting sick

>or losing her hair.....

My daughter has a rash on her entire head from the chemicals, and her

hair is falling out, so if anyone knows please tell me too !!!



>Thanks,



>Carolyn

>-- 

>Hate & Rage are four letter words.....so are Love & Hope.



brenda@linknet.net









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: shaws@ecsis.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are They Head Lice???

From: Dale and Leslie <dlf3k@transport.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 21:38:05 -0700



Carolyn Shaw wrote:

> 

> Hi!

> 

>   Does anyone know how to get rid of these things? We have recently

> moved south and I have never had to deal with these critters before. We

> have been here a little over two months and I have treated my daughters

> hair FIVE times with the chemical stuff.....nasty!

> 

>   I have tried rinsing her hair with vinegar before the treatment, and

> last night, two nights after treatment ran through her head with the

> comb and she was full of little bitty ones again. I am not even sure

> this is what they are, they could be fleas for all I know. I am willing

> to do this every night, it gives us a chance to be together for an hour

> or so <G> (her hair is waist length) and chat about things. I'd really

> rather do it just to be together tho....

> 

>   Is it possible for anything other than lice to inhabit hair? I have

> not seen any "nits", just these little crawly things. We have several

> stray dogs in the area and she loves them.....no matter what I tell her

> about how sick they could possibly be (mangy).

> 

>   Any help would sure be appreciated.....I don't want her getting sick

> or losing her hair.....

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Carolyn

> --

> Hate & Rage are four letter words.....so are Love & Hope.





Hi, Carolyn--first of all, I truly sympathize with you on this one! 

Head Lice runs rampant in our part of the country in the schools, etc.

(Oregon).  After reading your post, I wanted to point out two things:



#1  the chemical washes are BAD for you!  I believe that it says right

on the bottle that you should not use them more than twice in six months

because of the toxicity.  There are prescription drugs available (do I

dare even mention that word on this newsgroup????!!!!???) from a

physician which are even stronger.  The word here is that the lice are

becoming immune to the store-bought remedies and it just won't kill them

all any longer!  Scary thought!



#2  Did you know that you have to not only treat your children's hair,

but also their clothes, bedding, stuffed animals, carpet, backpacks, all

furniture, all countertops, under the countertops, behind the furniture,

all of your vehicle's upholstery, etc. or you'll just catch them again? 

It's a terrible battle....



Good luck!



Leslie



P.S.  I, too, know of someone who swears by the old-fashioned kerosene

method...I'd be afraid to try it, but probably would give it a shot

rather than cutting such beautifully long hair!

-- 

FAMILY SPORTS MINISTRIES....



...Where People 

Mean More Than Winning...



mailto:dlf3k@transport.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are They Head Lice???

From: natjune@king.ak.planet.gen.nz (June King)

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 07:59:14 GMT



 

>P.S.  I, too, know of someone who swears by the old-fashioned kerosene

>method...I'd be afraid to try it, but probably would give it a shot

>rather than cutting such beautifully long hair!



Hi! Whatever you do, don't try kerosene. Ages ago when I had nits,

Mum(June King, I'm her daughter) got so fed up with them that

sheput kerosene on my head. It huuuuurrrt! I had it on for about

thirty seconds before I ran to the shower in agony! It even hurt

after that, and it was days before the smell went. 



I read in this book a "wonder infusion" that is said to not only

cure NITS, but dry hair, brittle hair and dandruff. 



Prepare a standard infusion of chamomile, cleavers, parsely and

rosemary. Add a pinch of rue and massage it in every day. Refresh

mixture weekly.  Twice a week massage in essential oil of rosemary.



Worth a try....

=)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Therapeutic use of valerian

From: mvachere@is.dal.ca (Marc Daniel Vacheresse)

Date: 26 Sep 1996 15:01:09 GMT



I am looking for information on the therapeutic use of valerian.

Literature reviews/ references, studies, or even just your own two cents

would be appreciated. Plse post response or e-mail to me directly.

Much obliged.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Therapeutic use of valerian

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 22:42:43 GMT



In article <52e5rl$q0o@News.Dal.Ca>,

   mvachere@is.dal.ca (Marc Daniel Vacheresse) wrote:

>I am looking for information on the therapeutic use of valerian.

>Literature reviews/ references, studies, or even just your own two cents

>would be appreciated. Plse post response or e-mail to me directly.

>Much obliged.

>

Hello,

   I have used Valerian as a sleep aid and it is very safe and good for this 

alone or in a blend of other sleep herbs.It may lower your blood pressure a 

little but usually not significantly,although it lowers mine alot so I don't 

take it the night before a work day or a day I plan on being active.

Just my 2cents worth...Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sunshine Sharing: Monthly Herbal Newsletter

From: Steve Johnson <treelite@itsnet.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:05:01 -0600



Sunshine Sharing is a monthly newsletter that features articles on 

various topics of heath and holistic healing. The articles that are 

now posted on the web include blood purifiers and alteratives, herbs 

for pets, cancer, medicinal "weeds", pocket first aid, herbs for kids, 

loss of memory and concentration and minerals. The URL is 

http://www.itsnet.com/~treelite/SS.html/.



Steve Johnson

treelite@itsnet.com



Visit the Tree of Light Institute Homepage

http://www.itsnet.com/~treelite/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Nature's Field: A Journal of Holistic Healing

From: Steve Johnson <treelite@itsnet.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:05:49 -0600



Nature's Field is a bi-monthly journal of holistic healing. It is 

posted on the web at http://www.itsnet.com/~treelite/NF.html/. Please 

visit if you are interested in articles on St. John's Wort, 

Aromatherapy for the Holiday Blahs, Surgery, Basil, Kombucha Tea, 

Miscarriage, Marshmallow, Herbal Stimulants, Poison Ivy/Poison Oak, 

Catnip, CLT-X, Hyperactivity, Yucca, Hormone Replacement Therapy, 

Melatonin, Childhood Viral Infections and Children's Elderberry Plus.



Steve Johnson

treelite@itsnet.com



Visit the Tree of Light Institute Homepage

http://www.itsnet.com/~treelite/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb Website Updated

From: howieb@teleport.com (Howie Brounstein)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 03:55:10 GMT



Netters,



My website has been updated with many new links. More herbal databases to 

search out your herb questions, more plant lists, more class information 

(oops, no advertising), more late night ramblings, more stupid herb jokes, 

and links to check if that plant really is endangered.



Check it out! I hope you find it useful. 





Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Valerian toxicity  "Like Valerian?" "Yeah, I dig it!"

From: howieb@teleport.com (Howie Brounstein)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 04:45:22 GMT





>I was told by an herbalist friend of mine that the ingedient in

>Valerian which induces sleep is not water-soluble, so making a tea of

>it would do nothing for sleep....not to mention the fact that Valerian

>root (which is where the sleep stuff is) is notoriously odorous - I

>think it smells like sweaty socks from a gym locker, personally :)  So

>if you take it - and I know nothing about the toxicity or the build up

>of it in the liver, I would take it in a capsule form which are

>readily available.  It didn't do much for me, tho, I had to take about

>four of them to help me sleep.  YMMV, Consult a professional herbalist

>or homeopathic physician.

>



Funny, just last month I was sitting round the campfire with a group of 

students. We had spent the day digging Valeriana sitchensis, dodging 

helicopters carrying water to the fires burning around the area, botanizing, 

and other herbal-type stuff. Most of the roots were to be washed in the river 

the next day, but some of it we washed after dinner, chopped and ran through 

a hand crank wheatgrass juicer, and made some fresh Valerian juice. While the 

guest speakers talked of Valeriana chemistry, we tasted the fresh juice. The 

results, not unexpected as I do this every year, was that everyone felt the 

smell, the taste of the Valeriana, throughout their bodies. As one student 

starts renaming the constellations to reflect teapots, tincture presses, and 

popular herbalists, I think of how complex herbs really are, the closer we 

look, the less we know. Some folks were strongly stimulated, others quieted. 

Valerian acts differently on different people, depending on dosage and 

personal constitution.





I beg to differ opinions with your herbalist friend. The water extract of 

valerian is unquestionably effective, from years of first-hand experience. In 

fact, I believe fresh root tea to be the most effective way to ingest 

Valerian. But, there are constituents that boil away at relatively low 

temperatures. If you boil the valerian root, as you generally do with roots, 

than you loose much of the effect but leave most of the smell. This is 

probably why your friend has heard that Valeriana tea in useless.



Therefore, steep your valerian root in luke warm water for a day.



I grind the fresh root in a blender,  cover it with water to form a mush, let 

sit a day, squeeze it through some muslin cloth, and viola (or should I say 

Valeriana) --- musky earthy tea fit for the heartiest of taste buds. But a 

small cup will impart a strong sensation throughout the body.





And, to top it all off, current research trends indicate that the main active 

constituent is not what it used to be. In fact, even though valerian 

chemistry is one of the more studied, the experts are no longer sure what the 

active ingredient is. Another reason to use the WHOLE PLANT, not some extract 

from dead material standardized to a certain percentage of some possibly 

active ingredient, ignoring the other constituents, destroying any 

possibility of natural synergistic effects from the WHOLE PLANT'S complex of 

chemicals, perhaps even filtering out truly important components.





I personally do not like dried valerian, and will always go with fresh root, 

or fresh root tincture if the fresh root is unavailable. They differ 

chemically, but the choice is indeed personal.  





Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Trager Instructor Training

From: barry glick <barryg@plainfield.bypass.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:00:14 -0700



Hi all!  Does anyone know the address of the Trager main office?  I am

thinking of becoming an instructor.



Please reply to Barryg@aug.com.  Thanks!



Barry



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: headaches & PMS

From: Dale and Leslie <dlf3k@transport.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 00:34:38 -0700



Hi--I am posting on behalf of a friend who has been suffering from daily

headaches, as well as severe PMS symptoms  (the headaches are all month

long, the PMS is just a few days before menses).  She is taking 20 mg

Prozac for depression at this time as well...any suggestions for her? 

She has been taking Tylenol 3 (with codeine) and it is beginning to have

no effect on the headaches...



if it matters, she can no longer have children so we don't need to worry

about fertility issues.



Thanks in advance...please feel free to email me directly if you'd like.



Blessings,



Leslie

-- 

FAMILY SPORTS MINISTRIES....



...Where People 

Mean More Than Winning...



mailto:dlf3k@transport.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: headaches & PMS

From: gprell@deltanet.com (George Prell)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 21:11:40 GMT



In article <324B838E.17C3@transport.com>, dlf3k@transport.com says...

>

>Hi--I am posting on behalf of a friend who has been suffering from daily

>headaches, as well as severe PMS symptoms  (the headaches are all month

>long, the PMS is just a few days before menses).  She is taking 20 mg

>Prozac for depression at this time as well...any suggestions for her? 

>She has been taking Tylenol 3 (with codeine) and it is beginning to have

>no effect on the headaches...

>

>if it matters, she can no longer have children so we don't need to worry

>about fertility issues.

>

>Thanks in advance...please feel free to email me directly if you'd like.

>

>Blessings,

>

>Leslie

>-- 

>FAMILY SPORTS MINISTRIES....

>

>...Where People 

>Mean More Than Winning...

>

>mailto:dlf3k@transport.com



I suggest your friend get a new book by John Lee, MD entitled "what Your Doctor 

May Not Tell You About Menopause"  published in May '96 ($12.99).  It may

be hard to find because it's already in the 3rd printing.  Dr. Lee treated

women before and after menopause for 20 years in his practice.  He found 

that NATURAL progesterone (not synthetic progestins or estrogen) was the main 

deficient hormone.  His patients were able to alleviate or cure the many

problems of menopause, including reversing osteoporosis, by using 

non-prescription natural progesterone cream. Premenopausal patients were 

able to alleviate the many problems of estrogen dominance, including PMS, 

endometriosis and headaches. My wife has had outstanding results using this cream.  

I also suggest you take a look at ALT.SUPPORT.MENOPAUSE news group.  Good luck.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ??Dove's Blood??

From: sylphiana@aol.com (Sylphiana)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 03:46:05 -0400





Does anyone know what Dove's Blood is?  I'm assuming that its some sort of

herb because it was used as a substitute for Dragon's Blood.  



Please e-mail me if you know, as I don't read the newsgroup reglularly. 

Thanks.:)



~*Sylphiana*~



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help on Herbal Magic

From: you@somehost.somedomain (You know me)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 12:01:08 GMT



could someone please help with recipes for magical applications 

these could be for burning on charcoal, infusions ,talismans, oils

charms,and sachets thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help on Herbal Magic

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 96 14:39:05 GMT



In article <52gfm4$44j@demeter.omen.com.au>,

   you@somehost.somedomain (You know me) wrote:

>could someone please help with recipes for magical applications 

>these could be for burning on charcoal, infusions ,talismans, oils

>charms,and sachets thanks

>

Here's one suitable for the coming Samhain holiday:3 parts rose petals,2 parts 

yarrow,1 part cinnamon.Brew strain and drink for divination.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help on Herbal Magic

From: shodan@io.org

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 01:44:56 GMT



you@somehost.somedomain (You know me) wrote:



>could someone please help with recipes for magical applications 

>these could be for burning on charcoal, infusions ,talismans, oils

>charms,and sachets thanks



----------------------

There is a listing of over 100 herbal amulets on my home page.

Happy surfing!

Carol



Herbs, HerbCrafts, and C-Rich, the natural source fibre

that absorbs the fat out of the food you eat.

http://www.io.org/~shodan/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Potassium Overdose

From: exutlb@exu.ericsson.se (Tim Baughman)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 14:04:03 GMT



I have been put on a diuretic (sp?) by my doctor for 

kidney stones. He says that this will reduce the amount of 

calcium in the kidneys. He also said that a side effect of this 

medication is that it reduces the potasium in the system.



I was wondering what the symptoms are for low potasium levels and 

what are the symptoms of too much potasium.



Could any of you kind folks help..... ?



Thanks

Tim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Potassium Overdose

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 22:38:21 GMT



In article <52gmsj$r13@cnn.exu.ericsson.se>,

   exutlb@exu.ericsson.se (Tim Baughman) wrote:

>I have been put on a diuretic (sp?) by my doctor for 

>kidney stones. He says that this will reduce the amount of 

>calcium in the kidneys. He also said that a side effect of this 

>medication is that it reduces the potasium in the system.

>

>I was wondering what the symptoms are for low potasium levels and 

>what are the symptoms of too much potasium.

>

>Could any of you kind folks help..... ?

>

>Thanks

>Tim

>

Tim,

   Symptoms of low potassium include cramps and fatigue,mental 

confusion,increased urine output,and shallow respirations.Too much potassium 

can be fatal,as it can cause cardiac arrest.therefore do not under any 

circumstances try to supplement,except perhaps with a dietary method(the food 

you eat).Please be careful when using diuretics and no drastic changes in 

fluid intake or output or supplementation.

Barbara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Liver herbs

From: Cindy Pflugh <cindyp@axxess.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:19:21 -0600



Hi

Anyone have any good liver cleansing herbs that are safe? How much

to take and all.

Thank You

Cindy

Peace



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Liver herbs

From: akmar@infinet.com (John E. Marker)

Date: 28 Sep 1996 14:29:55 GMT



Cindy Pflugh (cindyp@axxess.net) wrote:

: Hi

: Anyone have any good liver cleansing herbs that are safe? How much

: to take and all.

: Thank You

: Cindy

: Peace



        Cindy,

              Dandelion Root is an excellent Liver 'tonic'.2 capsules 

(450 mg) twice a day for about 10 days should produce good results.





--

                                                      John



----------------------------------------------------------------------------

akmar@infinet.com

 

www.infinet.com/~akmar/akmar.html

                                   



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Liver herbs

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 29 Sep 1996 06:55:34 GMT







Cindy Pflugh <cindyp@axxess.net> wrote in article

<324C0C99.3AC8@axxess.net>...

>good liver cleansing herbs that are safe?



Chinese herbs for Liver cleansing:-

1. rough gentian (root) Radix Gentianae - <Lung Dan Cao> - powerful but

must be used very carefully under prescription of herbalist

2. frest or dried root of rehmannia Radix  Rehmannia <Sang di> - nourish

yin (body fluid),  diluting the blood, heart, liver, kidney - considered

save for normal people.

3. root of herbaceous peony  Radix Paeoniae Alba <Bai Chur> - nourish yin

(body 

fluid), diluting the blood, spleen and liver, promote diuresis - considered

save for 

normal people.

All the above are frequently used chinese herbs.  Should be easy to buy in

Chinatown.

However, if the patient is very weak, or had been suffering for a very long

time.  Some

liver tonic or supplement in that case maybe neccessary.  However, need

more info.

regards yklaw



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: If you are interested in ant therapy of rheumatoid arthritis

From: chinagc@ix.netcom.com (Longtian Wang)

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:02:30 GMT



stop by and see http://www.china-guide.com/arthrit.htm

China Guide-The Gateway to Chinese Culture!

http://www.china-guide.com/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs and Intraocular (eye) Pressure

From: aherbst@cibola.net (Anthony Herbst)

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:51:14 GMT



It seems that a friend has eye pressure  in the supiciously high

range, indicating possible glaucoma.  



QUESTION 1:  Does anyone know of any side effect of herbal or vitamin

supplements that could contribute to this?  



Question 2:  Is there any *legal* herbal supplement that is known to

reduce the pressure?  Someone suggested bilberry extract, but I have

found no reference to it reducing the pressure.



Tony Herbst <aherbst@cibola.net>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: slippery elm & cat urinary problems

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 27 Sep 1996 14:25:05 -0700



I've just recently helped my aging cat with urinary blockage.  The vet

did an expensive test to tell me  the cat was dying from urniary

crystals.  I looked and found out that a slippery elm  decoction would

help with this problem.  It is working quite well.  Instead of dying

the cat is thriving (putting on weight, playing, eating well etc.)

Now I'm working on his arthritis.  any herbal pet ideas would be

welcome.  God bless  susanb phokt@primenet.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mail order herb co's

From: steon@creative.net

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:37:24 -0800



Can anyone recommend one or more mail order companies for herbs? 

Specifically, I'm trying to find St. John's Wort extract more cheaply than

I can get it in the local health food stores here in San Francisco.  D&E

doesn't have it.  I take a fair amount of it and it's getting to be rather

an expense.  Thanks.

E-mail address:  Steon@creative.net



-- 

Cheers, Steon





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: steon@creative.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mail order herb co's

From: "Dr. Joe K. Clema" <clemaj@neurosystems.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:58:46 -0400



steon@creative.net wrote:

> 

> Can anyone recommend one or more mail order companies for herbs?

> Specifically, I'm trying to find St. John's Wort extract more cheaply than

> I can get it in the local health food stores here in San Francisco.  D&E

> doesn't have it.  I take a fair amount of it and it's getting to be rather

> an expense.  Thanks.

> E-mail address:  Steon@creative.net

> 

> --

> Cheers, Steon





Please visit:



Dr. Goh's Herbs



http://juniper.mecnet.org/isma/index.html



She is an international expect and she answers auestions about herb

remedies.





Sincerely,





Dr. joe K. Clema



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help: Saccharin / NutraSweet Info Needed!

From: ldgimage@aol.com (LdgImage)

Date: 28 Sep 1996 01:42:03 -0400



Does anyone have any research info on the long term affects of Saccharin

and or Aspartame (NutraSweet Brand) artifical sweetners?  We've heard

various warnings re: use of the products in "hot" beverages. Any info

would be greatly appreciated.

We can be emailed at,    LdgImage@Aol.com



Thanks in Advance,    

Michael & Mary



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bee Pollen and Antihistimies

From: aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Gale McCready)

Date: 28 Sep 1996 07:17:22 GMT



I have been taking beepollen for my allergies, it has helped.  But on a 

couple of occasions it has not been enough and I taken over the counter

medication.  

The reason I started on beepollen was that I would get used a certain 

antihistimen and it would no longer work.  



So what I want to know is would beepollen keep antihistimens from 

working, or I have I just gotten used to all the over counter stuff.





Gale





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.pets.cats

Subject: Re: Herbs to repel fleas from pets?

From: "C. Jayne Stevens" <gypsyjayne@enterprise.net>

Date: 28 Sep 1996 18:45:21 GMT



You might try a collar impregnated with a little juniper oil.  I make my

own by macerating juniper berries for a month or so in almond oil.

-- 

C. Jayne Stevens.

Bedfordshire, England.

gypsyjayne@enterprise.net



. . . at least the wheels go round . . .



Judith Scothern <fourthnt@netcom.com> wrote in article

<fourthntDy96yt.3nq@netcom.com>...

: My cats are currently infested with fleas.  I'd prefer to avoid using

: flea powder on them and wondered if there are any herbal remedies I 

: could use instead.  I had heard that an infusion of rosemary and

pennyroyal

: make a good dip.

: 

: Thanks for any help.

: 

: 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ebsteen bar 

From: the dawson's <dawson@niven.imsweb.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:56:59 -0700



This may not be spelled correctly, but this is the way it is said. Any 

one that has any info on the subject would be appreicated. We were 

looking for any type of herbal remedy. thanks



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Geranium - Lemon

From: "E.J." <Evlin@netvision.net.il>

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:05:11 -0700



Hello everyone,



Does anyone know if Lemon Geranium or Geranium Lemon is a medicinal

herb? What is it used for? Where can I find details about it?



Thank you all,

Eveline.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gingseng/ Ginko Bilbo affects on sleep

From: littlepua@aol.com (Little Pua)

Date: 29 Sep 1996 14:05:04 -0400



I have been taking Gingseng and Ginko Bilbo for about the past month. I've

since noticed that I have developed an unusual sleep pattern. I am staying

awake about an hour or two later than I am used to. After about 3 1/2 or 4

hours of sleep, I wake up and am ready to go. But after about another hour

or so I go back to sleep and this time I sleep extremely hard for about 2

to 4 more hours. The whole time I am dreaming like crazy.  Normally I

never remember dreaming, but now I do. During the day I am not tired. Has

anyone noticed the same thing? Is this harmful? Which herb to you think is

doing this?



Little Pua



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need info on Chinese herb

From: ray@sirius.com

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:58:27 -0700



Hi, all--



The question at hand is regarding whether Tou Gu Cao, a Chinese medicinal

herb, is carcinogenic. Its name is Tou Gu Cao (also called Tougucao

Herba,Tou-Ku-Tsao, Tou-Gu-Cao. It's botanical name is _Speranksia tuberculata_ ,

Euphorbiaceae family. 



I need to know the following: 



1. Does it contain phorbol esters?

2. Is there a carcinogenic aspect to this herb?

3. I know that there is a connection between the Euphorbias, phorbol

esters, nasopharyngeal carcinoma and Epstein Barr Virus. If this herb is

being injected as opposed to being taken by mouth, does this make it less

of an inducer of

NPC and EBV?



I know these are very specialized questions, but if you happen to have a

line on the answers, I would very much appreciate if you could send it. 



Thanks very much.



Katherine



"Impossible is a word in the fool's dictionary."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help for flatulence???

From: embarrassed@thewind.com

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:34:55 GMT



Hello everyone,



     I have a little problem that I am sure

is quite common, and although its a little

embarrassing, I just come right out and

and say it:  Beans give me very bad 

flatulence!   I have used the product

"Beano", and have been very satisfied

with the results.  The problem is that Beano

is rather expensive.  I have heard that

several herbs have good carminative

properties, and would like to know if

anyone out there has any experience 

with this.  Thanks!!!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for flatulence???

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 22:31:24 GMT



embarrassed@thewind.com wrote:



>Hello everyone,



>     I have a little problem that I am sure

>is quite common, and although its a little

>embarrassing, I just come right out and

>and say it:  Beans give me very bad 

>flatulence!   I have used the product

>"Beano", and have been very satisfied

>with the results.  The problem is that Beano

>is rather expensive.  I have heard that

>several herbs have good carminative

>properties, and would like to know if

>anyone out there has any experience 

>with this.  Thanks!!!



The best are probably fennel seeds, turmeric, 

and ginger.



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for flatulence???

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 04:01:37 GMT







Another solution I should have mentioned:

add a chopped onion to cook with beans.



turf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Colloidal Minerals/Nutrition

From: "Tom Nuckels" <newsnet1@airmail.net>

Date: 29 Sep 1996 20:49:31 GMT



Almost every day I read newsgroup postings by people who 

question the value of nutritional supplementation.  This has been 

especially the case regarding the nutritional value of colloidal 

minerals. Many of the postings are based on opinion and are nothing 

more than the author's attempt to validate his/her own bias that was 

obtained from who knows where.  We all have a bias; what we need to 

do is consider from where our bias was obtained.  



Dr. Jonathan Wright earned his M.D. at the University of Michigan 

Medical School and afterward interned and did his residency in family 

practice.  He was a medical columnist for Prevention Magazine for 9 

years and has written several best sellers on nutritional therapy.  

He has along with Dr. Alan Gaby compiled one of the largest known 

libraries of proof that nutritional supplementation works.  The 

Wright/Gaby Research Files is a collection of more than 23,000 

scientific papers related to the field of nutritional medicine.  In a 

recent seminar, Dr. Wright helped clear up some of the confusion about 

thepresence of possibly toxic micro-minerals aluminum, cadmium, lead and 

mercury present in colloidal minerals.  The following are highlights of 

his presentation.



The most effective and accurate way to answer this question is by 

conducting clinical trials to measure levels in a study group over 

time. With support of a major manufacturer of colloidal minerals, such 

a clinical trial was conducted by Gary Price Todd, M.D., a practicing 

ophthalmologist in North Carolina.  Dr. Todd asked participants to take 

3 ounces of colloidal minerals, 3 grams of vitamin C and a multiple 

vitamin/mineral supplement daily.



Then Dr. Todd chose to "follow" aluminum, cadmium, lead and mercury 

levels over time.  He periodically analyzed levels of these minerals in 

the participants' hair.  The stored levels of these minerals, especially 

lead, are more accurately measured in hair than in blood, because the 

body "clears" these minerals from the bloodstream quickly.  Dr. Todd 

reported that after three months, levels of aluminum, lead, and cadmium 

had risen slightly.  There was no significant change in mercury levels.  

After four to six months (intervals varied at which participants cut 

their hair), levels of aluminum, lead, cadmium and mercury had all 

decreased!



In a second test group, hair samples were analyzed before the treatments 

and then at eight to sixteen month intervals.  After both eight and 

sixteen months, levels of aluminum, cadmium and lead had all declined! 

(Mercury was not detectable at significant levels either before or after 

the treatment.)  Dr. Todd points out that successful clearing from our 

bodies first requires "mobilization" of these minerals from "storage" 

sites in the bones, teeth, etc.  If this "mobilization" is successful, 

they are then cleared from the body.



What can be concluded from these studies?  At the very least, we can say 

that in the presence of vitamin C and a multiple vitamin/mineral 

supplement, actual measurement demonstrates that levels of aluminum, 

cadmium, lead and mercury found in humic shale extracts of high quality 

colloidal minerals rise briefly, but then enter a long term decline from 

their initial levels.



--------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.worldprofit.com/health/mblpls.htm







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Headaches & tinitis - Please Help!!

From: "Victoria Theodore" <vx@escape.com>

Date: 29 Sep 1996 20:55:40 GMT



I've heard that Ginko is the herb to take for tinitis and feverfew the one

for headaches that won't go away even after succumbing to Tylenol et al. 

Can anyone confirm this, have any suggestions?  



Thanks,



Victoria



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: The orgin of "QUACK", was Re: Why does everyone say "ask your doctor?"

From: rocky@whatsa.matta.u.org (Rocky)

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 21:16:44 GMT



On 28 Sep 1996 18:45:59 GMT c.e., "C. Jayne Stevens"

<gypsyjayne@enterprise.net> wrote:



>Quacks, charlatans and frauds.

>Or should that be . . . and freuds?

>-- 

>C. Jayne Stevens.

>Bedfordshire, England.

>gypsyjayne@enterprise.net

>

>. . . at least the wheels go round . . .

>

This brings up an interesting point, do you know the origin of the word

"quack" when referring to an "incompetent doctor"?  Surprisingly, the

origin had nothing to do with "incompetent doctors" (or at least, the

quacks were not the one's that were incompetent in this story). The name

comes from an old term for mercury, quicksilver -- QUACKSALVER.  One group

of healers was experimenting with the antibiotic properties of compounds of

mercury. The other doctors were upset with their successes with

tincture-of-mercury,  "murcurichrome", (I used to call it "mickey mouse"

when I was 4, when grandma would put some on my owie) and because of their

success with murcurichrome, the other doctors began to belittle them,

calling them "quacks" because their patients were turning to the "quacks"

for healing now. So you see, to be called a quack is actually something

quite good. You are being attacked by those jealous of you, or threatened

by you, for your successes. So when a bought-and-paid-for doctor calls you

or anyone a "QUACK!", just smile at them and say "thank-you!".  Next time

they get their degree, maybe they'll look up the real meanings and origins

of the words they are using. And think twice about why they are trying to

belittle someone. 



Dr.'s, please take note: There is much more to healing than trying to

financially or socially benefit from the sick and the dying.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Looking for Herbs for Sea Sickness

From: marierd@mi.net (D. Marier)

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 22:40:39 GMT



Looking for Herbs for Sea Sickness



Since the dawns of time,  humans have wandered the seas.  I sure they

had something to prevent motion sickness at sea.  Does anyone know

what they used.  If you have any information I would be please to

know.



Thanks



Dengiser



Denis Marier



marierd@mi.net

Rothesay, New Brunswick

Canada







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: REQ: St. John's Wort location in 216,609 area

From: link@nothinbut.net (link)

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:00:25 GMT



I'm trying to track down someplace where I can purchase St. John's

Wort.  I live in the 215, 609 area codes.  More specifically, about

fifteen minutes south of the PA Turnpike Bridge if it helps.  Does

anyone know either where there would be a source of the product or of

a listing of local sources?

Thank you very much in advance.



Link





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: do herbs in pill form are truly as effective?

From: wildfire@primenet.com. (Daniel Rirdan)

Date: 29 Sep 1996 17:47:02 -0700



Hello,



I wish to ask someone knowledgeable this question. Does Ginseng, for

example, can be swollowed in pills and still give all its alleged

benefits? Or what about Garlic?





Daniel Rirdan

wildfire@primenet.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: sesame seed

From: simonzack@aol.com (Simonzack)

Date: 29 Sep 1996 21:17:09 -0400



Does anyone have any ideas on when to harvest sesame seeds.  The seed pods

are full and slimey (like okra). If I leave them on the plant they tend to

disperse and turn dark brown.  Any help would be appreciated.  E-mail

direct.  Thanks.



Jan Hiester  (simonzack@aol.com)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fertility

From: Kevin Britton <kcbritton@wr.com.au>

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:12:22 +1100



Anybody know, which natural herbs are able to increase female

fertility,and how they should be taken. My wife and I are trying to have

a baby.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re:warts

From: kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 02:32:17 GMT



I've never tried it, but supposedly dandelion stem sap, applied to the wart will remove it.



Good luck!

Kellie

<kbonnici@trentu.ca>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gingko biloba leaves: Tea preparation question

From: Burris <burris@myna.com>

Date: 30 Sep 1996 05:32:41 GMT



Can anyone out there help me regarding the preparation of a tea

based on the leaves of Gingko biloba?



Specifically:

-------------

1. For best results how often should I drink the tea?



2. What mass of leaves or powdered leaves would be ideal per serving?



3. Any particular advantage to using the leaves to make a therapeutic tea

vs taking a concentrated extract?



4. How long should I boil the leaves\powder before drinking?



5. Any other pertinent things I should know?





Your help is deeply appreciated!



Burris





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: 

From: dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC)

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:22:45



Re: Re: Iced tea with mint

 

> Why? I have steeped peppermint & spearmint for up to 1/2 hour and

> haven't noticed anything wrong with the taste -- at least not the bitter

> taste that I've found with over-brewing black teas.

> Am I doing something wrong?



     I've steeped tea for even longer.. It just depends on how strong you

like your tea.. Plus, I believe the longer you steep your tea, the longer the

nutrients have to settle into the water.



D`'

dol@alexus.cts.com  

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Information

From: ALISON@acnt.edu.au (Alison Johnson)

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:17:10 GMT-1000



------------

Alison Johnson, Dean                           alison@acnt.edu.au 

Australasian College of Natural Therapies, Sydney, NSW, Australia

Opinions expressed by me may not be those of Australasian College

For information or a prospectus, mailto:info@acnt.edu.au



I am looking for the constituents for the herb Ophioglossum Vulgatum

common name Adders Tongue, Fern Family.  Can anyone help me?

Please reply direct to my email address.

Thank you, Alison





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Swollen knee ?

From: "A. Guidi" <aguidi@u.washington.edu>

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 08:56:19 -0700



I'm tired of taking Ibuprofen for my latest sports injury and am curious

as to how i can speed up the mending process and reduce inflamation

herbally.  After my work-outs, i generally go home and ice my knee for a

while, and i'm taking lots of vitamine C since it is said to promote

muscle healing.  Of course, i have been resting on the legs and have been

limiting myself to doing upper body training until my knee feels better. 

Otherwise i'm stumped. I think i mildly hyper-extended my knee and then

lifted too many weights without realizing i had hurt myself.  Now the

outside back of teh knee is pretty much always swollen and has been for

over a week.  Any suggestions? 



Thanks in advance.



Audrey





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: "Good Vibes" Tea

From: delphine@mail.utexas.edu (Delphine)

Date: 30 Sep 1996 17:36:10 GMT



I'm looking to make myself something to take to work to keep my stress & 

anxiety levels down, and my energy and shields up.  I'd thought about using 

Feverfew, Catnip, and Chamomile, but am uncertain.  Does anyone have 

suggestions or comments for me? I have access to all common herbs, and a 

few oddities. I only ask to stay away from things that if used wrong I 

might harm myself (i.e. tansy, which I believe is fatal in high doses). Many 

thanks!



Brightest Blessings,

Delphine





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: He Can't Stop Snoring!!!!!!!!!!!!

From: "R.H & G.M" <rhughes@agt.net>

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:31:46 -0600



Is there any ideas out there for my hubbie who has a terrible snoring 

problem (no matter which way he sleeps!!)!!!



Thanks

Sleepless Wife



