

From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: shark cartilage???

From: Teasel <72607.3335@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 27 Oct 1996 17:05:28 GMT



Is anyone here familiar with shark cartilage?  (What

kind/dosage is best?)



Thank you very much for any help anyone here can provide.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: shark cartilage???

From: doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS)

Date: 4 Nov 1996 11:19:32 -0500



In article <5504oo$3eg$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Teasel

<72607.3335@CompuServe.COM> writes:



>Is anyone here familiar with shark cartilage?  (What

>kind/dosage is best?)

>

>Thank you very much for any help anyone here can provide.

>



We use half the recommended dosage on the bottle. Ours says 4 a day.

Haven't taken it long enough to see any results. Most people will follow

dosage on the bottle.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: shark cartilage???

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 05:19:44 GMT



In article <5504oo$3eg$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>,

   Teasel <72607.3335@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>Is anyone here familiar with shark cartilage?  (What

>kind/dosage is best?)

>

>Thank you very much for any help anyone here can provide.





I wish I had thought to market it,I need some quick cash.BTW,it's a myth that 

sharks don't get cancer,any organism that has cells dividing can get 

it!Supposedly this is the benefit of taking it.Nonsense.

Barbara,IMHO





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: shark cartilage???

From: q-r-i@ix.netcom.com

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 08:58:03 -0500



Stephen Jahner wrote:

> 

> In article <5504oo$3eg$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>,

>    Teasel <72607.3335@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

> >Is anyone here familiar with shark cartilage?  (What

> >kind/dosage is best?)

> >

> >Thank you very much for any help anyone here can provide.

> 

> I wish I had thought to market it,I need some quick cash.BTW,it's a myth that

> sharks don't get cancer,any organism that has cells dividing can get

> it!Supposedly this is the benefit of taking it.Nonsense.

> Barbara,IMHO



	The reason shark cartilage is supposed to work on tumors is because of

its action in restricting vascular blood supplies to tumors.  It has a

proven basis in sharks, but the effects in humans is questionable.

	However, I have noted a number of people who claim to have had rapid

reief in the area of rheumatoid arthritis using shark cartilage at the

dosage of 3 caps per day, and results within weeks.  However, others

have reported no relief whatsoever.

	R W Schellhaas, PhD





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: shark cartilage???

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 96 01:56:18 GMT



In article <3281EAEB.79C9@ix.netcom.com>, q-r-i@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>Stephen Jahner wrote:

>> 

>> In article <5504oo$3eg$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>,

>>    Teasel <72607.3335@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>> >Is anyone here familiar with shark cartilage?  (What

>> >kind/dosage is best?)

>> >

>> >Thank you very much for any help anyone here can provide.

>> 

>> I wish I had thought to market it,I need some quick cash.BTW,it's a myth 

that

>> sharks don't get cancer,any organism that has cells dividing can get

>> it!Supposedly this is the benefit of taking it.Nonsense.

>> Barbara,IMHO

>

>	The reason shark cartilage is supposed to work on tumors is because of

>its action in restricting vascular blood supplies to tumors.  It has a

>proven basis in sharks, but the effects in humans is questionable.

>	However, I have noted a number of people who claim to have had rapid

>reief in the area of rheumatoid arthritis using shark cartilage at the

>dosage of 3 caps per day, and results within weeks.  However, others

>have reported no relief whatsoever.

>	R W Schellhaas, PhD



Dr. Schellhaas,

   Have they isolated the reason this action takes place? Any side effects?

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: shark cartilage???

From: jdist@mindspring.com (John Distler)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:06:57 GMT



sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner) wrote:



>In article <3281EAEB.79C9@ix.netcom.com>, q-r-i@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>>Stephen Jahner wrote:

>>> 

>>> In article <5504oo$3eg$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>,

>>>    Teasel <72607.3335@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>>> >Is anyone here familiar with shark cartilage?  (What

>>> >kind/dosage is best?)

>>> >

>>> >Thank you very much for any help anyone here can provide.

>>> 

>>> I wish I had thought to market it,I need some quick cash.BTW,it's a myth 

>that

>>> sharks don't get cancer,any organism that has cells dividing can get

>>> it!Supposedly this is the benefit of taking it.Nonsense.

>>> Barbara,IMHO

>>

>>	The reason shark cartilage is supposed to work on tumors is because of

>>its action in restricting vascular blood supplies to tumors.  It has a

>>proven basis in sharks, but the effects in humans is questionable.

>>	However, I have noted a number of people who claim to have had rapid

>>reief in the area of rheumatoid arthritis using shark cartilage at the

>>dosage of 3 caps per day, and results within weeks.  However, others

>>have reported no relief whatsoever.

>>	R W Schellhaas, PhD



>Dr. Schellhaas,

>   Have they isolated the reason this action takes place? Any side effects?

>Barbara



I heard taking gelitin gets same effects less cost for arthritis

relief.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tendonitis Cured with Vitamins and Minerals

From: bds@navix.net

Date: 31 Oct 1996 22:55:49 GMT



Howdy!



I had a bad case of tendonitis in my right elbow.  Cortisone

and 3 months of physical therapy didn't help. I finally found

a strap with an airpack that allowed me to play golf without

too much pain.  It also led me to a cure!



An old friend of mine saw me playing golf with the strap and 

gave me his proven home remedy:



Take the recommended dosage from the instructions on the bottle

for each of the following: Calcium, magnesium, zinc and cod

liver oil. Take them for 30 days.  You'll get relief in about

two weeks, but keep taking it for the full thirty days.  If it

comes back, do the same routine for 30 days.  It worked for my

friend and it worked for me!  Obviously, you should also try to

avoid activities that aggravate the tendonitis during this 

period.



Good luck.



Barry Smith

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: comfrey and bones?

From: cappelba@dolphin.upenn.edu (Craig Harvey Appelbaum)

Date: 31 Oct 1996 23:03:59 GMT



is it true that comfrey (applied externally) is good for bones 

(dislocations, sprains, soreness, etc)?

anyone got any info?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: comfrey and bones?

From: bill@inforamp.net (Bill Allen)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 14:10:48 GMT



cappelba@dolphin.upenn.edu (Craig Harvey Appelbaum) wrote:



>is it true that comfrey (applied externally) is good for bones 

>(dislocations, sprains, soreness, etc)?

>anyone got any info?



Just curious, but how does one sprain a bone?







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: comfrey and bones? 

From: Kellie V Bonnici <bikvb@trentu.ca>

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 02:39:49 GMT



On 31 Oct 1996, Craig Harvey Appelbaum wrote:



> is it true that comfrey (applied externally) is good for bones 

> (dislocations, sprains, soreness, etc)?

> anyone got any info?

> 

I have a book (herbal healing for women, (R. Gladstar), and the author 

talks about having broken her leg very badly, and being told she'd need a 

pin in her leg. She wasn't fond of this idea and took comfrey in every 

possible way that she could (eating, drinking, externally) for 18 months. 

Much to her MD's amazement, she did not need the pin.



Kellie

kbonnici@trentu.ca







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: comfrey and bones?

From: xxalexx@ix.netcom.com(alex peper)

Date: 2 Nov 1996 05:16:01 GMT



In <55bb8v$n60@netnews.upenn.edu> cappelba@dolphin.upenn.edu (Craig

Harvey Appelbaum) writes: 

>

>is it true that comfrey (applied externally) is good for bones 

>(dislocations, sprains, soreness, etc)?

>anyone got any info?

They are large strong leaves, good for wrapping.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: comfrey and bones?

From: mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 00:29:33 -0700



Yes.  It's good for breaks too.

 Jane





On 31 Oct 1996, Craig Harvey Appelbaum wrote:



> is it true that comfrey (applied externally) is good for bones 

> (dislocations, sprains, soreness, etc)?

> anyone got any info?

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: comfrey and bones?

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:16:54 +0000



In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961102002857.16478H-100000@general1.asu.edu>,

mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu writes

>Yes.  It's good for breaks too.

> Jane

>

>

>On 31 Oct 1996, Craig Harvey Appelbaum wrote:

>

>> is it true that comfrey (applied externally) is good for bones 

>> (dislocations, sprains, soreness, etc)?

>> anyone got any info?

>> 

>> 



Comfrey taken as a tea, in moderation is a great help for bones in fact

its folk name in England is knitbone

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Craig Harvey Appelbaum <cappelba@dolphin.upenn.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: comfrey and bones?

From: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 12:19:48 -0800



Craig Harvey Appelbaum wrote:

> 

> is it true that comfrey (applied externally) is good for bones

> (dislocations, sprains, soreness, etc)?

> anyone got any info?



  Yes comfrey (external and internal) is helpful.  Ayurvedic remedies

also include turmeric, arjuna, manjishtha.  We have helped several

clients with these herbs.



For more information check our website

http://www.holistic.com/listings/11709ac1.html

or email us for a free catalog

   Ayurveda Holistic Center





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: comfrey and bones?

From: ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:50:21 GMT



cappelba@dolphin.upenn.edu (Craig Harvey Appelbaum) wrote:



>is it true that comfrey (applied externally) is good for bones 

>(dislocations, sprains, soreness, etc)?

>anyone got any info?



i have heard from a number of people who have used it that it is,

although i unfortunately cant point you to any references, though you

could try an old herbal, ie. one written before it was outlawed.. i

also know a naturopath who swears that comfrey tea heals bones twice

as fast as normal (in a break.) although it is illegal to prescribe it

for internal use..

love ashryn









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: comfrey and bones?

From: high5@kom.net (Dr. HiGH FiVE md)

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 08:20:51 GMT



>>is it true that comfrey (applied externally) is good for bones 

>>(dislocations, sprains, soreness, etc)?

>>anyone got any info?

>

>i have heard from a number of people who have used it that it is,

>although i unfortunately cant point you to any references, though you

>could try an old herbal, ie. one written before it was outlawed.. i

>also know a naturopath who swears that comfrey tea heals bones twice

>as fast as normal (in a break.) although it is illegal to prescribe it

>for internal use..

>love ashryn

>

>

I've heard the same. I didn't know it was outlawed though? I know of a couple 

of plants growing wild within a few blocks of here. I do understand that 

internal use can lead to cancer.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb and Supps Reference Library

From: "Stephen Rogers" <hlink@onthenet.com.au>

Date: 1 Nov 1996 00:09:16 GMT



The best herb and supp's reference library on the net is now operational. A

free service by HealthLink, login initially at

http://www.healthlink.com.au/welcome.htm



Other facilites include free Medline search engine, US RDA database and

more... This is primarily a Practitioner and student web but all who are

serious about learning are welcome.



Cheers,  Stephen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alfalfa

From: tree@wyrd.u-net.com (World Tree)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 01:11:47 GMT



In article <54uetb$3bl@tkhut.sojourn.com>, sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner) says:

>

>In article <54r1v8$mbm@nuntius.u-net.net>,

>   tree@wyrd.u-net.com (World Tree) wrote:

>>

>>Anyone know of natural toxins in alfalfa, please? Are the seeds hazard free?

>>

>>X

>>

>>Cinta

>>

>>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>>X      This is wyrd                          X

>>X  http://www.u-net.com/~wyrd X

>>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 

>

>

>There has been some evidence that the seeds can cause Lupus like symptoms,the 

>culprit being l-canavanine.Alfalfa also contains vitamin K which helps with 

>blood clotting.However don't let that stop you from using alfalfa in sane 

>dosages,it's a good supplement for many things.It's just that you should use 

>caution if you have had blood clotting problems or if you suffer from Lupus 

>Barbara



Dear Barbara, Thanks for this. Does it apply to all alf everywhere or just some places. Do you know if the bug in the seeds or on them? 

I don't really fancy lupus yogurt. Where did you hear about it? 



Cinta



XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

X         This is wyrd         X

X   http://www.u-net.com/wyrd  X

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alfalfa

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 22:25:09 GMT



In article <55bioj$asq@nuntius.u-net.net>,

   tree@wyrd.u-net.com (World Tree) wrote:

>In article <54uetb$3bl@tkhut.sojourn.com>, sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen 

Jahner) says:

>>

>>In article <54r1v8$mbm@nuntius.u-net.net>,

>>   tree@wyrd.u-net.com (World Tree) wrote:

>>>

>>>Anyone know of natural toxins in alfalfa, please? Are the seeds hazard 

free?

>>>

>>>X

>>>

>>>Cinta

>>>

>>>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>>>X      This is wyrd                          X

>>>X  http://www.u-net.com/~wyrd X

>>>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 

>>

>>

>>There has been some evidence that the seeds can cause Lupus like 

symptoms,the 

>>culprit being l-canavanine.Alfalfa also contains vitamin K which helps with 

>>blood clotting.However don't let that stop you from using alfalfa in sane 

>>dosages,it's a good supplement for many things.It's just that you should use 

>>caution if you have had blood clotting problems or if you suffer from Lupus 

>>Barbara

>

>Dear Barbara, Thanks for this. Does it apply to all alf everywhere or just 

some places. Do you know if the bug in the seeds or on them? 

>I don't really fancy lupus yogurt. Where did you hear about it? 

>

>Cinta

>

>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>X         This is wyrd         X

>X   http://www.u-net.com/wyrd  X

>XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 



Cinta,

  Lupus yogurt? I'm not sure what you're referring,can you clarify?

Also I don't know the answer to your other question,perhaps some knowledgeable 

person in this NG or the local health food store can help.

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tinctures--Think I found my answer...

From: zoron@teleport.com (Douglas Wiggins)

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 01:35:59 GMT





>> about one pint of alcohol, usually vodka or brandy of a high quality. Let stand



>several times a day to shake it.  Works for me!  My understanding is

>that for medicinal tinctures that will be ingested you want to use an

>alcohol that is at least 85 proof...for topical only you can use

>isopropol alcohol.  I generally use vodka or gin for internals although



Isopropyl alcohol is not as good of a solvent as ethyl alcohol, in

general. The fact that the alcohol is not pure (it contains water),

means that both the alcohol and the water soluble components will be

extracted, but, in some cases, only the alcohol-soluble component may

be desired - absolute alcohol is available from some liquor stores

(absolute means that it is 100 percent, or 200 proof - if it is left

open to the air, it will absorb 5% water just on standing) but,

actually, 95% is probably as good, considering that there may be some

water in the plant material, anyway, plus the fact that pure alcohol

tends to cauterize and toughen tissues, which might cause some of the

extractibles to be trapped behind the cell walls (I know that the

reason isopropyl alcohol is used at 70% as an antiseptic - rubbing

alcohol - is because it can penetrate the walls of the microbes, while

stronger alcohol can cause the cell walls to become tough and prevent

the alcohol from penetrating far enough to kill the bug, and I also

know that some forms of steam extraction involve adding cooler

moisture to superheated steam to keep the plant cell walls from

becoming hardened and making it harder to extract the essential oil.)



I believe that part of the nature of a tincture is that the alcohol is

not used in extremely high concentrations - I just thought that the

relative solvent qualities of isopropyl vs. ethyl should be brought up

and started rambling. So, for a bottom line - I would say that ethyl

alcohol will extract more of your active principles than isopropyl,

and that a 35%-40% alchol/water solution might be better than a pure

alcohol for extraction of the solubles in plant tissues. I could be

wrong - I was wrong once before . . .



-douglas wiggins



Find Glassblowers at www.teleport.com/~zoron/glass.html

Glasswork resources: www.teleport.com/~zoron/sources.html

Zoron Custom Lampwork (Glassblowing by Torches) at

www.teleport.com/~zoron







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Advice on High Blood Pressure

From: James di Paulo  <jdipaulo@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 02:47:13 GMT



In article <55abq3$3b5@municipal.maf.mobile.al.us>,

	maf00048@maf.mobile.al.us (Georgie Stanford) wrote:



>Linda Rice (lindy@nauticom.net) wrote:

>: CoQ10 is very helpful in normalizing blood pressure...

>(stuff deleted)

>

>What is CoQ10, where does it come from, what is its chemical name and 

>chemical structure? Just curious...

>

It does not look like anything I have ever seen in a herbal or seed catalog, 

I wonder just what the post is doing here.  Of course, I am not a chemist, I

am a herbalist and gardner. <smile>



James





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Advice on High Blood Pressure

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 13:15:03 GMT



On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Brenda Johnson <Brenda_Johnson@nt.com> wrote:



>Hi folks! I just found you and have enjoyed reading your thoughts. It 

>looks like there are a lot of very knowledgeable people here and I would 

>appreciate any information that you can give me concerning herbal 

>treatments for my fiancee's high blood pressure.



Well, this one isn't herbal, but it is alternative and lacks undesirable

side effects.



In the book: Can A GLUTEN-FREE DIET HELP? How? by Lloyd Rosenvold, M.D.,

[Keats Publishing, 27 Pine Street (Box 876) New Canaan, CT 06840-0876,

1992, ISBN 0-87983-538-9] he states that a study was done in the 1930's

where a group with high blood pressure was put on a gluten-free diet. The

whole group experienced a reduction in bp. At almost the same time, the

first really effective medication for reducing bp was put on the market.

The study was soon forgotten, and patients were given a magic pill to help

high bp. Taking a pill is a lot easier than following a g-f diet.



For more info on the gluten-free diet, this page has annotated links to all

sites on the subject: http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: James di Paulo  <jdipaulo@ix.netcom.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Advice on High Blood Pressure

From: ckremer@iastate.edu (Charles A Kremer)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 23:49:03 GMT





My guess is that CoQ10 is short for coenzyme Q which I believe is involved in the

photosynthesis pathway.

-- 

Charles A Kremer

ckremer@iastate.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

From: jcorn@mortimer.com (Jerry Cornelius)

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 03:29:14 GMT



nish@cce.ubc.ca wrote:



>My husband and I were talking to some friends the other night, over several 

>glasses of red wine, about how we all seem to be consuming rather a lot of the 

>stuff these days.  Although we agree that wine in moderation can be good for 

>you we are not kidding ourselves about our collective tendency to overdo it 

>sometimes.  Having said that, and that we are going to try to curb the urge to 

>consume, are there any herbs that one can take to aid the liver, and the 

>kidneys, I guess, too, in the process of ridding the body of the poisons 

>associated with overdoing the booze?  This might be good info to have in the 

>upcoming festive season!  :)

>	Cheryl



Not so well documented, yet effective in liver balancing is feverfew.

Additionally, think about taking acidophilus to balance against the

effects of the wine intestinally.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

From: mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:41:10 -0700







On Fri, 25 Oct 1996 nish@cce.ubc.ca wrote:



> My husband and I were talking to some friends the other night, over several 

> glasses of red wine, about how we all seem to be consuming rather a lot of the 

> stuff these days.  Although we agree that wine in moderation can be good for 

> you we are not kidding ourselves about our collective tendency to overdo it 

> sometimes.  Having said that, and that we are going to try to curb the urge to 

> consume, are there any herbs that one can take to aid the liver, and the 

> kidneys, I guess, too, in the process of ridding the body of the poisons 

> associated with overdoing the booze?  This might be good info to have in the 

> upcoming festive season!  :)

> 	Cheryl

> 

> 

The milk thistle is a good one.  Also, Dandelion root is excellent.  You 

can take it as a tincture.  Follow mfgr's recommendations.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

From: Schneider <roberts@sonic.net>

Date: 3 Nov 1996 00:24:33 GMT



Yes, I have been studying the use of Milk Thistle for the liver.  Active 

ingredient is silymarin.  If anyone knows, how much should be taken for 

daily use?  Not using it intensively for a liver flush, but just for 

general maintenance?  SS









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen)

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 03:25:22 GMT



My bees tell me Schneider <roberts@sonic.net> wrote:



>Yes, I have been studying the use of Milk Thistle for the liver.  Active 

>ingredient is silymarin.  If anyone knows, how much should be taken for 

>daily use?  Not using it intensively for a liver flush, but just for 

>general maintenance?  SS



I can tell you that taking two caps (Enzymatic Therapy's Milk Thistle X), three

times in one day produced an unintentional liver flush. If I had known what was

in store, I would have avoided this dose. Now that I have gone through it,

though, I would have to say it was worth it. However a dose of 1 capsule, 3

times a day should be OK (my wife used this dose with no liver flush). Good

luck.

--

Mark Jensen  Double J Apiaries   mjensen@crl.com

Los Altos Hills   California    fax 415 941-3488





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

From: nish@cce.ubc.ca

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 13:31:45 UNDEFINED



In article <327d5fbd.614924@nnrp.crl.com> mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) writes:

>From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen)

>Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

>Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 03:25:22 GMT



>My bees tell me Schneider <roberts@sonic.net> wrote:



>>Yes, I have been studying the use of Milk Thistle for the liver.  Active 

>>ingredient is silymarin.  If anyone knows, how much should be taken for 

>>daily use?  Not using it intensively for a liver flush, but just for 

>>general maintenance?  SS



	Ummm... what exactly is a liver flush?

	Cheryl



>I can tell you that taking two caps (Enzymatic Therapy's Milk Thistle X), three

>times in one day produced an unintentional liver flush. If I had known what was

>in store, I would have avoided this dose. Now that I have gone through it,

>though, I would have to say it was worth it. However a dose of 1 capsule, 3

>times a day should be OK (my wife used this dose with no liver flush). Good

>luck.

>--

>Mark Jensen  Double J Apiaries   mjensen@crl.com

>Los Altos Hills   California    fax 415 941-3488







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: mjensen@crl.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

From: Schneider <roberts@sonic.net>

Date: 7 Nov 1996 21:08:26 GMT



Hi Mark, Thanks for answering.  What dosage are you saying you 

recommend?  My caps are 80% silymarin and give 120 mg.  Would I be OK 

just taking 1 a day?  I like to use less, not more.  Or would only 1 do 

nothing?  Thanks  SS









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:21:20 GMT



Schneider <roberts@sonic.net> wrote:



>Hi Mark, Thanks for answering.  What dosage are you saying you 

>recommend?  My caps are 80% silymarin and give 120 mg.  Would I be OK 

>just taking 1 a day?  I like to use less, not more.  Or would only 1 do 

>nothing?  Thanks  SS



Taking 1 per day would provide some benefit.  It would be best to

combine it with turmeric and fennel seeds, both inexpensive spices

from the market.  Also, add a couple of capsules of yellowdock daily

for  a few days, and if this elicits a petroleum smell from the urine

or bowel movement, take the silymarin and yellow dock at recommended

dosages, and the turmeric and fennel seeds at 1/2 teaspoon twice per

day daily until it no longer occurs.  Afterwards, take this dosage

once per week or whenever desired.  



If there are allergy problems, consistently light colored feces, upper

back pain, jaundice, etc, see my post called Diet and Supplement Tips

and follow the Stones and Crystals regimen, adding the yellowdock and

silymarin for three weeks.  Consider doing the liver flush as well.

the silymarin is also best taken at recommended dosage if there is are

skin problems, like acne, eczema, or psoriasis.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

From: mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 00:21:33 -0700



Coffee enemas are potent and they need to be done right and selectively.  

Do not use full strength coffee.  See the work of Dr. Max Gerson who devised 

the Gerson Cancer therapy.  Coffee enemas are a crucial part of the 

therapy and the recipe for the appropriate making of the coffee and 

procedure for the enema are included in his books.  The books are usualy 

available in health food stores with a decent book selection.



On 30 Oct 1996, BROWN MARGARET SAXON wrote:



> jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz) writes:

> 

> >nish@cce.ubc.ca wrote:

> >: consume, are there any herbs that one can take to aid the liver, and the 

> >: kidneys, I guess, too, in the process of ridding the body of the poisons 

> >: associated with overdoing the booze?  This might be good info to have in the 

> >: upcoming festive season!  :)

> >: 	Cheryl

> 

>    Cheryl-

> 

>   I know this is not an herbal remedy, per se, but a book I have on

> natural healing recommends a coffee enema (retention for about 15 minutes)

> as a way to induce the liver to expel toxins.  By the way- hot coffee is

> not recommended ;->

> -- 

> *Saxon Brown                        *  Experience is a hard teacher-   *

> *Department of EPO Biology          * The test comes before the lesson *

> *University of Colorado at Boulder  *                                  *

> *brownm@rintintin.colorado.edu      *                                  *

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: nish@cce.ubc.ca

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

From: Robert Jordan <medi@capecod.net>

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 19:53:13 -0800



nish@cce.ubc.ca wrote:



>         Cheryl

Ginger grated in food and used as a poultice is a number one cleanser.

Robert Jordan D.H.M.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: medi@capecod.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

From: Altherapy Distributors International LLC <altherapydist@internetMCI.com>

Date: 7 Nov 1996 22:03:19 GMT



Milk Thistle: Is important for all liver disorders.  Contains some of the 

most powerful liver protecting substances known.  Stimulates production of 

new liver cells.  Rebuilds and repairs.



Burdock:  Helps restore liver function and is a good blood purifier that 

clears toxins through lymphatic system.



Goldenseal:  promotes functioning capacity of the liver; improves 

digestion and counters infection; immune system builder.  Fights viral and 

bacterial infections.



Chamomile:  Useful for those sufering from degenerative liver disease such 

as infectious hepatitis and helps regenerate liver tissue.



I hope this helps you out. If you need more information on vitamins, juice 

therapy, etc.

important for liver function or other herbs, please let me know.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: paranoia

From: jcorn@mortimer.com (Jerry Cornelius)

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 03:29:18 GMT



TheBarretts <pro219@mail.eos.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know something that might help paranoia that has been brought 

>on by marijuana use???? 



quit using, believe me it's the only way.:-]









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: paranoia

From: swift@crl.com (Scotty)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 02:16:31 GMT



x-no-archive: yes

TheBarretts <pro219@mail.eos.net> shared:

>Does anyone know something that might help paranoia that has been brought 

>on by marijuana use???? 



Well since you obviously feel uncomfortable having to use pot I'll

assume you have to for medicinal purposes, so you might try something

like Chamomile, Balm and Mint. 



I'd reccomend you stay away from Valerian and Passiflora while using

pot.



  _   _       

 {~._.~}     Scotty - Atlanta Georgia, USA

  ( Y )             low stress web

 ()~*~()       http://www.crl.com/~swift/

 (_)-(_)







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: paranoia

From: Judy <Glamdais@pop3.cris.com>

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 17:36:27 -0800



Richard James Leopold wrote:

> 

> TheBarretts wrote:

> >

> > Does anyone know something that might help paranoia that has been brought

> > on by marijuana use????

> Quit smoking pot. IQ





You might want to post this question on alt.support.anxiety-panic.  I've 

seen questions relating to this on that NG and IMO you would probably get 

a kinder response than you are receiving here.



Judy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: paranoia

From: Eran <mrerk@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 12:32:54 -0800



TheBarretts wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know something that might help paranoia that has been brought

> on by marijuana use????



Hi,



I know something that might help paranoia. The best healing for paranoia

is painting art!! Painting art of oil or acrylic, or draw any picture is

very soul-soothing. If you paint several pictures for several days or

more (individual's time varies), it will reduce paranoia greatly!!!  It

may look strange to you, but it is very true. :-)



Try art - good luck! but first you must quit taking marijuana

forever....



Eran :-)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 1 Nov 1996 03:45:27 GMT



The response from jo had reminded me about the lifestyle influence to

people.

He is correct, if you are alright on every organ.  Maybe you have not

enough sleep.  Another one is your sex life, excessively frequent sex will

also harm the kidney and Yin which resultantly will cause the darkness

under the eyes.

regards yklaw at jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com



baxtecr@wku.edu wrote in article <1996Oct30.140622@axp1>...

> Could someone tell me if there are any herbs (if any) or methods of

> reducing the blackness/darkness under your eyes?

> 

> Someone told me that a cold icepack would do the trick, but I can't

> see that happening.  

> 

> Thanks.

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: Ev <evan@stlnet.com>

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 00:47:43 -0500



I have had cark circles since i was a kid. I saw a chinese herbalist and

he said my kidneys were weak,but i thought he diagnosed that from my

pulse not by looking at my eyes.  Dr. Ronald Hoffman(my alternative M.D)

said it was my adrenal glands and i told the herbalist this and he said

my adrenals were on top of my kidneys,so i still am not sure,but either

way the herbs didnt help the circles,so does this mean it didnt help my

kidneys?



Y.K. Law wrote:

> 

> According to TCM, the part under your eyes is most relevant to kidney.

> If the darkness is not an individual phenomenon, please pay more attention

> to the condition of your kidney.

> Usually, darkness under the eyes refer to weakness of kidney or kidney

> running out of Yin (fluid & essential substance).

> Sometimes kidney in sthenia (too strong) condition can cause something

> similar happen.

> A general guideline as follows:-

> - frequency of micturition ?

> - color of urine extraordinarily clear ?

> - extraordinarily weak leg ?

> - duration of working or standing on foot very bad ?

> - throat feeling extraordinarily dry ?

> - cannot sleep well ?  short sleeping hours ?

> etc.

> If you got a lot of positive result, the kidney is more likely to be weak

> and deficient in Yin.

> You can consider following Chinese herbs:-

> 1. San Yuerh (Wai San)  Chinese yam rhizome  <Rhizoma Dioscoreae>

> to the whole body esp. spleen and kidney,  mild nature, centralising, high

> protein and nutrition value

> 2. Niu She (Ngau Sud)    Ox-knee (root), bidentate achyranthes (root)

> <Radix Achyranthis Bidentatae>

> Kidney, mildly warm, nourish yin and bring more blood flow to the lower

> limbs.

> Above 1. and 2. should be very cheap and easy to get in the Chinese Herbs

> Store in Chinatown.

> Hope this help.

> regards yklaw at jixitang

> http://www.jixitang.com

> 

> baxtecr@wku.edu wrote in article <1996Oct30.140622@axp1>...

> > Could someone tell me if there are any herbs (if any) or methods of

> > reducing the blackness/darkness under your eyes?

> >

> > Someone told me that a cold icepack would do the trick, but I can't

> > see that happening.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 2 Nov 1996 04:47:22 GMT



Thank you for your trust and response.

Please be patient, this can be a long story.



> > According to TCM, the part under your eyes is most relevant to kidney.

> > If the darkness is not an individual phenomenon, please pay more

attention

> > to the condition of your kidney.

"If the darkness is not an individual phenomenon,"  -- always like that TCM

herbalism is stronger in generalisation and induction hence if certain

symtom is part of or closely related to the overall unbalance of internal

organ(s), we are more competent in the identification and healing of it

completely.   However, if the symtom is completely seperated from the

general condition of internal organ(s), it is more difficult to use herbs. 

Maybe acupuncture will work better, but this is not my strength.



> he said my kidneys were weak,but i thought he diagnosed that from my

> pulse not by looking at my eyes.  Dr. Ronald Hoffman(my alternative M.D)

If you have time, please visit my web site, particularly on the

Comprehensive Analysis of the Four Methods of Examination.  Observation is

one of the Four Methods.  People familiar with me here might aware that I

was reluctant to suggest a prescription.  The reason is clear, there is not

enough information and it seems to me that the examination process is not

yet completed.  Sometimes, I still suggest some herbs,  but that will be

some herbs relatively safe to use and in that particular case I feel

comfortable to have relatively good info. to support.  Anyway, we had to

make our decision here subject to partial ignorance, otherwise everybody

here had to keep silence and we shall lose our favorite playground.  

Observation on the Eyes itself also show something, but indeed, we had been

talking about the dark circle around the eyes.  In fact,  if you observe

carefully, strong people will have brighter and sharper eyes and vice

versa.  As for Pulse Examination, this is also one of the Four Methods, and

in most cases it is the most important one.  However, please tell me how I

can ask the patient to give me the Pulse Examination result by himself. 

Pulse Examination is much more than the heart rate.  Unless the patient

himself is trained on and experience to the Pulse Examination, I'd rather

leave it aside on the nwsgrp until later stage and not relying on it to

alter my suggestion of herbs.



> said it was my adrenal glands and i told the herbalist this and he said

> my adrenals were on top of my kidneys,so i still am not sure,but either

Accordingly to TCM, the symtoms of adrenals and kidneys  is not always

clearly seperated because the way TCM look at things are different from

western people.  Western people start from looking inside <White box

methods> and  Chinese people start from what we can observe (don't forget

the four methods) from outside <Black box methods>.  This had led the two

streams to develop in different directions both intended to provide

accurate diagnosis and correct precription as the final result.  On Pulse

examination, kidney and adrenals are located the same only we take the

right-hand location as adrenals and left-hand as kidneys.



> my adrenals were on top of my kidneys,so i still am not sure,but either

> way the herbs didnt help the circles,so does this mean it didnt help my

> kidneys?

If the herbs didn't help the circles, there are at least 3 reasons:-

1. the circles are independent from the organs, no matter adrenals or the

kidneys.  (for example skin problem)

2. the herbs or medicine they prescribed are not the most appropriate match

to your organs condition.  There are different ways of unbalance in the

kidney or adrenals.  We cannot conclude everything with one word.

3. the herbs may be correct, the dosage and/or  frequency and/or duration

of treatment may not be sufficient.   Sometimes, it was just one more step

ahead.  That why a good herbalist (or MD ) must have a good sense of crisis

whereas also have a very strong character or self confidence.

4. Maybe your lifestyle - rest hours, diet, etc. are doing something in a

completely reverse direction with the herbs. I don't know unless I was

better informed.



Since, you didn't mention any other symtoms or any diagnosis helpful

information.   It is difficult for me to give further comments on your

case.  Please confirm if you want any help.



Hope this can increase your understanding to TCM.

BTW not every Chinese eat that kind of "man-shaped" root.



regards yklaw at jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com





Ev <evan@stlnet.com> wrote in article <32798EFF.7C7B@stlnet.com>...

> I have had cark circles since i was a kid. I saw a chinese herbalist and

> he said my kidneys were weak,but i thought he diagnosed that from my

> pulse not by looking at my eyes.  Dr. Ronald Hoffman(my alternative M.D)

> said it was my adrenal glands and i told the herbalist this and he said

> my adrenals were on top of my kidneys,so i still am not sure,but either

> way the herbs didnt help the circles,so does this mean it didnt help my

> kidneys?

> 

> Y.K. Law wrote:

> > 

> > According to TCM, the part under your eyes is most relevant to kidney.

> > If the darkness is not an individual phenomenon, please pay more

attention

> > to the condition of your kidney. . . . .

> > 

> > baxtecr@wku.edu wrote in article <1996Oct30.140622@axp1>...

> > > Could someone tell me if there are any herbs (if any) or methods of

> > > reducing the blackness/darkness under your eyes?







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: evan@stlnet.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 12:30:26 -0800



Ev wrote:

> 

> I have had cark circles since i was a kid. I saw a chinese herbalist and

> he said my kidneys were weak,but i thought he diagnosed that from my

> pulse not by looking at my eyes.  Dr. Ronald Hoffman(my alternative M.D)

> said it was my adrenal glands and i told the herbalist this and he said

> my adrenals were on top of my kidneys,so i still am not sure,but either

> way the herbs didnt help the circles,so does this mean it didnt help my

> kidneys?



The Ayurvedic system of healing also recognizes dark circles under eyes

as kidney weakness. Herbs to take include shilajit, gokshura, cranberry

juice (from health food store). Kidneys relate to emotions and stress,

so check these areas of your life; brain tonics like gotu kola will help

here.

   For more information check our website

http://www.holistic.com/listings/11709ac1.html

or email us for a free catalog

   Ayurveda Holistic Center





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: "James A.L.Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.," <dussault@gte.net>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 14:35:45 -0500



Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha wrote:

> 

> Ev wrote:

> >

> > I have had cark circles since i was a kid. I saw a chinese herbalist and

> > he said my kidneys were weak,but i thought he diagnosed that from my

> > pulse not by looking at my eyes.  Dr. Ronald Hoffman(my alternative M.D)

> > said it was my adrenal glands and i told the herbalist this and he said

> > my adrenals were on top of my kidneys,so i still am not sure,but either

> > way the herbs didnt help the circles,so does this mean it didnt help my

> > kidneys?

> 

> The Ayurvedic system of healing also recognizes dark circles under eyes

> as kidney weakness. Herbs to take include shilajit, gokshura, cranberry

> juice (from health food store). Kidneys relate to emotions and stress,

> so check these areas of your life; brain tonics like gotu kola will help

> here.

>    For more information check our website

> http://www.holistic.com/listings/11709ac1.html

> or email us for a free catalog

>    Ayurveda Holistic Center



Parasites can cause this trouble also a lack of micro-minerals can cause 

this symptom. Lack of B12 will cause this as well.



James A.L.Dussault  N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: baxtecr@wku.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: Dixie <johnsone@spot.Colorado.EDU>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 13:24:51 -0700



Hi,



This is oftentimes a genetic thing (lots of folks of Russian, Eastern

European descent are prone to this, even little kids)...it can also signal

allergies, so maybe get tested?  Also, teabags (caffeine, black tea) bags

(used, then allowed to cool) can relieve this a bit....lemon juice

and concealer!



On 30 Oct 1996 baxtecr@wku.edu wrote:



> Could someone tell me if there are any herbs (if any) or methods of

> reducing the blackness/darkness under your eyes?

> 

> Someone told me that a cold icepack would do the trick, but I can't

> see that happening.  

> 

> Thanks.

> 

> 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: vrussell@ix.netcom.com(Vicki Kay Russell)

Date: 3 Nov 1996 04:53:25 GMT



In <Pine.GSO.3.95.961101132321.26567C-100000@spot.Colorado.EDU> Dixie

<johnsone@spot.Colorado.EDU> writes: 

>

>Hi,

>

>This is oftentimes a genetic thing (lots of folks of Russian, Eastern

>European descent are prone to this, even little kids)...it can also

signal

>allergies, so maybe get tested?  Also, teabags (caffeine, black tea)

bags

>(used, then allowed to cool) can relieve this a bit....lemon juice

>and concealer!



I also have the darkness under the eyes.  Mine develops when my

allergies start bothering me and get darker and then I start developing

bags (swelling) as my allergies get worse.



Not really much you can do.  Too much concealer only makes it look

caked.   I do get sick of hearing - "Vicki, are you okay?   You look

soo tired!"



Vicki kay





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: jncox@utsph.sph.uth.tmc.edu (Jo Nell Cox)

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 19:51:23 GMT



In article <55h8g5$9do@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> vrussell@ix.netcom.com(Vicki Kay Russell) writes:

I have dark circles where the veins are close to the skin (I am very fair).  

My half-brothers always look like they are sporting a couple of shiners.   

Seems to be genetic.



> Too much concealer only makes it look caked



Yellow concealer is the trick.  Patted in, not spread.  I've been wondering if 

plastic surgery could do anything about it.  





Jo Nell

Hell's Belle





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:12:40 +0000



In article <1996Oct30.140622@axp1>, baxtecr@wku.edu writes

>Could someone tell me if there are any herbs (if any) or methods of

>reducing the blackness/darkness under your eyes?

>

>Someone told me that a cold icepack would do the trick, but I can't

>see that happening.  

>

>Thanks.



Sliced cold cucumber helps put a slice on each eye. also cold as in the

fridge used tea bags. Do however have your kidneys checked this can be a

sign of Kidney problems

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: strflwr@POP.USIT.NET

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: gailhu@ptdprolog.net

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 19:39:19 -0500



strflwr@usit.net wrote:

> 

> baxtecr@wku.edu wrote:

> 

> >Could someone tell me if there are any herbs (if any) or methods of

> >reducing the blackness/darkness under your eyes?

> 

> >Someone told me that a cold icepack would do the trick, but I can't

> >see that happening.

> 

> >Thanks.

> 

> How about sleep?  That usually works for me.       -------Jo



Try a camomille tea bag moistened with warm water.  Put one over each

eye for about 5-10 minutes with eyes closed.  It also helps the eyes to

feel refreshed and not so sleepy.



Gail





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: Rosamond-Rusty-Taylor <rtaylor@silverlink.net>

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 23:52:04 -0800



dark circles under the eyes can be a result of a food allergy or 

intolerance... you might want to see a naturopath and get tested.



Rusty





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:29:11 GMT



baxtecr@wku.edu wrote:



>Could someone tell me if there are any herbs (if any) or methods of

>reducing the blackness/darkness under your eyes?



>Someone told me that a cold icepack would do the trick, but I can't

>see that happening.  



>Thanks.

drink more water, less tea and coffee and get more rest.. look after

your kidneys. mind you, i havnt done a consult with you, so i dont

know exactly why you have the circles under your eyes.. there is a

reason though, so find the cause, and correct it..



love ashryn







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: "Barb G." <bgpa@penn.com>

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 00:22:19 GMT



Dark circles are a classic sign of allergy problems.  Do you have any other

allergy symptoms? Things to look for are itching, (espicially in the ears

and nose), congestion, headaches, skin problems, etc. 

Best remedy is to elimate offending substance.  Dust mites are common

cause. Do a search on providing an allergy free enviroment, and use as many

of the recommendations as possible.  Seek professional advice on herbal

treatment for allergies.





ashryn <ashryn@it.com.au> wrote in article <55so25$djq@beldin.it.com.au>...

> baxtecr@wku.edu wrote:

> 

> >Could someone tell me if there are any herbs (if any) or methods of

> >reducing the blackness/darkness under your eyes?

> 

> >Someone told me that a cold icepack would do the trick, but I can't

> >see that happening.  

> 

> >Thanks.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: ashryn <ashryn@it.com.au>, baxtecr@wku.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: Lenny Burdick <LennyB@nmaa.org>

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 23:18:30 -0800



ashryn wrote:

> 

> baxtecr@wku.edu wrote:

> 

> >Could someone tell me if there are any herbs (if any) or methods of

> >reducing the blackness/darkness under your eyes?

> 

> >Someone told me that a cold icepack would do the trick, but I can't

> >see that happening.

> 

> >Thanks.

> drink more water, less tea and coffee and get more rest.. look after

> your kidneys. mind you, i havnt done a consult with you, so i dont

> know exactly why you have the circles under your eyes.. there is a

> reason though, so find the cause, and correct it..

> 

> love ashryn



Sometimes milk product allergies can cause or aggravate dark circles 

under the eyes.  (I seem to have been born with mine....)  lenny





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Lenny Burdick <LennyB@nmaa.org>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: Ras Richard I <Richard_Yates-RICH@nt.com>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:51:56 -0600



Ive had mine my whole life.  Even in smaller pictures and as far back as 

i can remember.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Darkness under eyes

From: Rachel Gholson <rgholson@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:49:56 -0330



I have had this problem off and on. A very good doctor told me this is 

often a sign of an allergy reaction. Low grade...maybe a food allergy or 

something fairly constant in your everyday life. I found out after 

testing that I was allergic to mold, and orange juice...often get the 

circles really badly for a couple days to a week after I break down and 

have a glass of OJ.



Check your diet!



	  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

	Rachel Gholson	  <rgholson@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

The views expressed here are personal and do not necessarily reflect those

of Memorial University of Newfoundland or the Folklore Department of MUN.

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

	What's the difference between a folklorist and yogurt?

			---living culture







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 1 Nov 1996 04:24:07 GMT



Ma Huang

to lung and the bladder

nature is warm; rise and diversify

for cold w/ no sweat,  ma huang is used to sweat the patient

for asthma, ma huang is used to warm; rise and diversify the qi in lung in

order to calm it down

for excessive fluid stain in lung, ma huang help to instimulate the

circulation of fluid and sweating.

should not be used for hot patients - fever, infectious, etc.

regards

yklaw at jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com



artemis <bowmans@erols.com> wrote in article <3278C1F8.55A4@erols.com>...

> hello,

> 

> does anybody have any information on Ma Huang?

> also lobelia?

> 

> thanks,

> 

> Cathy

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 96 22:33:56 GMT



In article <3278C1F8.55A4@erols.com>, artemis <bowmans@erols.com> wrote:

>hello,

>

>does anybody have any information on Ma Huang?

>also lobelia?

>

>thanks,

>

>Cathy





Ma Huang,also known as Ephedra,is a bronchodilator,which makes it useful for 

asthma and chest congestion.It should not be taken if you have high blood 

pressure, and used with caution if you have heart rhythm abnormalities.

  Lobelia(inflata)is similar to nicotine,hence it's use as a deterrent to 

smoking tobacco.However it really should not be used as there are better less 

reactive drugs to use.It can however be used topically aon bruises and 

inflammations.

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: sjahner@sojourn.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang

From: George Meno <geormeno@mail.snet.net>

Date: 3 Nov 1996 18:03:35 GMT



Just as a side note Ma Huang has been declared a no-n0 drug in N.Y. State.

A teenage in Long Island died because of an overdose. I believe the herb 

has been taken off the shelves. that's not to say that one cannot find it.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux problems

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 1 Nov 1996 04:39:30 GMT



With your information supplied, I can only think of Mau Li (Mau Lai) -

Oyster Shell.

We hammer and grind it to small particle then boil them in water.

This is the safest suggestion.  (There is some ready to use formula - Mr

Richard Renaud will know it better than me.)

I need more information for further suggestion.

regards yklaw at jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com



Charlene M Pieczonka <rkat@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article

<55aj8j$he2@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>...

> . . .   And I have problems

> with chronic gastritis.

> . . .

> Anyone know of a way to treat this herbally?? Especially since mine

> seems to be alot nervous related and the doctors keep throwing

> tranquilizer prescriptions at me.

> 

> Cookie

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux problems

From: Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 07:52:30 +0000



In article <55aj8j$he2@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Charlene M Pieczonka

<rkat@ix.netcom.com> writes

>A friend of mine and I both have this problem, mostly at night. Now, he

>had chemotherapy about a year ago for Hodgkin's Disease so we don't

>know if that could have anything to do with it. And I have problems

>with chronic gastritis.

>

>We try to watch our diets, drink plenty of liquids, try to not go to

>bed with alot of food in our stomachs. He was prescribed the same thing

>I buy over the counter (I don't have medical insurance).

>

>Anyone know of a way to treat this herbally?? Especially since mine

>seems to be alot nervous related and the doctors keep throwing

>tranquilizer prescriptions at me.

>

>Cookie

>

If this is Heartburn/Indigestion/Dyspepsia, then you might like to try

peppermint oil.. 



You can get capsules or you can use the Essential oil. The EO would be

used through inhalation. (A few drops on a handkerchief) or diluted with

a carrier oil, to 2% to 5%, and massaged gently on the stomach, in a

clockwise direction. Other mints could also be efficatious. i.e. Lemon

balm or spearmint. 



Eating too quickly and stress can exacerbate the problem.. 



Also look into the combinations of food you are eating. A combination of

starch and acid can cause extra acid and make the heartburn worse. (I.E.

Bread and Oranges)



-- 

Graham Sorenson

The Guide to Aromatherapy and other goodies can be found at:-

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux problems

From: strflwr@usit.net

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 06:48:30 GMT



Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>In article <55aj8j$he2@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Charlene M Pieczonka

><rkat@ix.netcom.com> writes

>>A friend of mine and I both have this problem, mostly at night. Now, he

>>had chemotherapy about a year ago for Hodgkin's Disease so we don't

>>know if that could have anything to do with it. And I have problems

>>with chronic gastritis.

>>

>>We try to watch our diets, drink plenty of liquids, try to not go to

>>bed with alot of food in our stomachs. He was prescribed the same thing

>>I buy over the counter (I don't have medical insurance).

>>

>>Anyone know of a way to treat this herbally?? Especially since mine

>>seems to be alot nervous related and the doctors keep throwing

>>tranquilizer prescriptions at me.

>>

>>Cookie

>>

>If this is Heartburn/Indigestion/Dyspepsia, then you might like to try

>peppermint oil.. 



>You can get capsules or you can use the Essential oil. The EO would be

>used through inhalation. (A few drops on a handkerchief) or diluted with

>a carrier oil, to 2% to 5%, and massaged gently on the stomach, in a

>clockwise direction. Other mints could also be efficatious. i.e. Lemon

>balm or spearmint. 



>Eating too quickly and stress can exacerbate the problem.. 



>Also look into the combinations of food you are eating. A combination of

>starch and acid can cause extra acid and make the heartburn worse. (I.E.

>Bread and Oranges)



>-- 

>Graham Sorenson

>The Guide to Aromatherapy and other goodies can be found at:-

>http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk



Heard on public radio a list of things, mostly drugs, which can weaken

the muscles at the lower end of the esophagus and contribute to

reflux, and was astonished that the only thing on the list I

recognized and thought I'd ever use was peppermint.  So, for reflux,

I'd avoid it.  It is good stuff for a bit lower down in the stomach,

though.  An alternative might be ginger, always good for the tummy!



You may have to experiment with this, but I know some people with

chronic gastrointestinal problems find that eating a number of smaller

meals is more effective for them.  If you problems are worse with an

empty stomach, it may help to keep something in it.       -------Jo 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux problems

From: smittola@aol.com (SMITTOLA)

Date: 2 Nov 1996 19:22:00 -0500



Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>In article <55aj8j$he2@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Charlene M Pieczonka

><rkat@ix.netcom.com> writes

>>A friend of mine and I both have this problem, mostly at night. Now, he

>>had chemotherapy about a year ago for Hodgkin's Disease so we don't

>>know if that could have anything to do with it. And I have problems

>>with chronic gastritis.

>>

>>We try to watch our diets, drink plenty of liquids, try to not go to

>>bed with alot of food in our stomachs. He was prescribed the same thing

>>I buy over the counter (I don't have medical insurance).

>>

>>Anyone know of a way to treat this herbally?? Especially since mine

>>seems to be alot nervous related and the doctors keep throwing

>>tranquilizer prescriptions at me.

>>

>>Cookie



I too would recommend Ginger, but if this fails to help, then give

Goldenseal a try. I find this is good for all areas related to the mucus

membrains as well as the stomach lining. It's fairly expensive, but well

worth it.



Steve





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux problems

From: Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 09:16:24 +0000



In article <55eqvh$s0a@news.usit.net>, strflwr@usit.net writes

>Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk> wrote:





>>-- 

>>Graham Sorenson

>>The Guide to Aromatherapy and other goodies can be found at:-

>>http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk

>

>Heard on public radio a list of things, mostly drugs, which can weaken

>the muscles at the lower end of the esophagus and contribute to

>reflux, and was astonished that the only thing on the list I

>recognized and thought I'd ever use was peppermint.  So, for reflux,

>I'd avoid it.  It is good stuff for a bit lower down in the stomach,

>though.  An alternative might be ginger, always good for the tummy!

>

>You may have to experiment with this, but I know some people with

>chronic gastrointestinal problems find that eating a number of smaller

>meals is more effective for them.  If you problems are worse with an

>empty stomach, it may help to keep something in it.       -------Jo 

>

>

I would add that I would understand the overuse of peppermint to cause

problems, but almost any overuse will..

If used "As directed" Then there should not be any problems.



 

-- 

Graham Sorenson

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux problems

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 96 02:32:13 GMT



In article <55aj8j$he2@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,

   rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka) wrote:

>A friend of mine and I both have this problem, mostly at night. Now, he

>had chemotherapy about a year ago for Hodgkin's Disease so we don't

>know if that could have anything to do with it. And I have problems

>with chronic gastritis.

>

>We try to watch our diets, drink plenty of liquids, try to not go to

>bed with alot of food in our stomachs. He was prescribed the same thing

>I buy over the counter (I don't have medical insurance).

>

>Anyone know of a way to treat this herbally?? Especially since mine

>seems to be alot nervous related and the doctors keep throwing

>tranquilizer prescriptions at me.

>

>Cookie

>



Cookie,

   One suggestion is to sit up for at least one half hour after eating,to 

allow your food time to move to the distal part of your stomach.Less chance of 

reflux that way.

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux problems

From: lewarno@snowcrest.net (Lew Arno)

Date: 3 Nov 1996 07:25:59 GMT



In article <55gscu$urk@tkhut.sojourn.com>, sjahner@sojourn.com says...

>

>In article <55aj8j$he2@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,

>   rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka) wrote:

>>A friend of mine and I both have this problem, mostly at night. Now, he

>>had chemotherapy about a year ago for Hodgkin's Disease so we don't

>>know if that could have anything to do with it. And I have problems

>>with chronic gastritis.

>>

>>We try to watch our diets, drink plenty of liquids, try to not go to

>>bed with alot of food in our stomachs. He was prescribed the same thing

>>I buy over the counter (I don't have medical insurance).

>>

>>Anyone know of a way to treat this herbally?? Especially since mine

>>seems to be alot nervous related and the doctors keep throwing

>>tranquilizer prescriptions at me.

>>

>>Cookie

>>

>

>Cookie,

>   One suggestion is to sit up for at least one half hour after eating,to 

>allow your food time to move to the distal part of your stomach.Less chance of 

>reflux that way.

>Barbara





Try alovera juice.  It sure worked great for me.   Mic







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux problems

From: et7@open.ac.uk

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 15:27:27 GMT



rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka) wrote:



>A friend of mine and I both have this problem, mostly at night. Now, he

>had chemotherapy about a year ago for Hodgkin's Disease so we don't

>know if that could have anything to do with it. And I have problems

>with chronic gastritis.



>We try to watch our diets, drink plenty of liquids, try to not go to

>bed with alot of food in our stomachs. He was prescribed the same thing

>I buy over the counter (I don't have medical insurance).



>Anyone know of a way to treat this herbally?? Especially since mine

>seems to be alot nervous related and the doctors keep throwing

>tranquilizer prescriptions at me.



>Cookie



Have you considered undiagnosed food allergies? I had awful heartburn

till I stopped eating beef.

Ev







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux problems

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 19:11:22 GMT



In <55he05$lku@clyde.open.ac.uk> et7@open.ac.uk writes: 

>

>Have you considered undiagnosed food allergies? I had awful heartburn

>till I stopped eating beef.

>Ev

>



Actually I do watch my beef intake since there are gallbladder problems

in my mother's family. Most of the female relatives on that side no

longer have theirs. I don't have any medical insurance and noticed that

eating beef seemed to make it sore so I only eat it 2-3 times a week,

always alternating like this: beef, chicken, pork, fish, beef.......



When I DO eat alot of beef my gallbladder becomes VERY sore.....



I'm starting to lean towards poor digestion on my part. I started

taking a product called "Digestive Aid" at a health food store and when

I take that after eating, as it prescribes, I don't GET the

heartburn/reflux.



Cookie







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Charlene M Pieczonka <rkat@ix.netcom.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux problems

From: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 12:15:29 -0800



Charlene M Pieczonka wrote:

> 

> A friend of mine and I both have this problem, mostly at night. Now, he

> had chemotherapy about a year ago for Hodgkin's Disease so we don't

> know if that could have anything to do with it. And I have problems

> with chronic gastritis.

> 

> We try to watch our diets, drink plenty of liquids, try to not go to

> bed with alot of food in our stomachs. He was prescribed the same thing

> I buy over the counter (I don't have medical insurance).

> 

> Anyone know of a way to treat this herbally?? Especially since mine

> seems to be alot nervous related and the doctors keep throwing

> tranquilizer prescriptions at me.

> 

> Cookie



  India's Ayurvedic holistic medicine suggests chewing fennel seeds

during and between meals, avoiding garlic, onions, chiles, etc. 



For more information check our website

http://www.holistic.com/listings/11709ac1.html

or email us for a free catalog

   Ayurveda Holistic Center





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux problems

From: jlowe@news.HiWAAY.net (Joe Lowe)

Date: 8 Nov 1996 01:35:29 GMT



Charlene M Pieczonka (rkat@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: A friend of mine and I both have this problem, mostly at night. Now, he

: had chemotherapy about a year ago for Hodgkin's Disease so we don't

: know if that could have anything to do with it. And I have problems

: with chronic gastritis.



Here is the recipe for my favorite stomach bitter. It is an old standard

from the turn of the century, and it really works.



This is for 1 litre so you may want to scale it for a smaller quantity.

----------------------------------

Compound Tincture of Gentian:



Powder 100 Gm. Gentian, 40 Gm. bitter orange peel, and 10 Gm.

cardamon seed.



Tincture with 100 cc glycerin, and 900cc 100 proof rum or vodka. After a

couple of days filter and bottle. 



------------------------------------

This stuff is *BITTER* and I find that about 20 drops in a small quantity

of water will stop moderate heartburn. The old book I got this from says

the dose should be 4cc of the tincture. WAY more than I need (or could

stand to take!).













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Red Waterlilly Herb

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 1 Nov 1996 05:35:33 GMT



You maybe talking about

the stem of waterlily

the red one is believed to have better effect in stimulation the production

of new blood.

it also activate the blood flow circulation and dissolve the blood stasis

and bruises.

it also promote dirusis (leading excessive dampness down and out).

hope this help.

regards yklaw at jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com 



PCAN@postoffice.worldnet.att.net wrote in article

<3272A967.1F76@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>...

> A friend returned from China and claims that red waterlilly is quite 

> popular for immune related diseases. Appreciate any reader knowledge. 

> thans. ed

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St.John'sWort/Gingkobilboa?

From: Ev <evan@stlnet.com>

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 00:53:22 -0500



> DavePsych1 <davepsych1@aol.com> wrote:

> 

> > Although hypericin is only one of the many possible active ingredients,

> > this standardization process apparently ensures an adequate overall

> > concentration of the plant's phytonutrients.  It has worked wonderfully

> > for me....I went straight from Prozac to SJW with no problems whatsoever,

> > and lost all of the side effects from Prozac while maintaining full

> > antidepressant efficacy.

> >

> >

wow that sounds great,but why do they warn against long term use? how

long are you going to take it? for some depression is lifelong

treatment.I wonder what the magic number of months is,I mean what is

long term?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St.John'sWort/Gingkobilboa?

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 10:30:29 -0500



In article <32799052.12D9@stlnet.com>, Ev <evan@stlnet.com> writes:



>wow that sounds great,but why do they warn against long term use?



That's a really good question.  I just switched brands from Enzymatic

Therapy to Solaray.  Enzymatic Therapy gave no such warning against

long-term use, but Solaray does.  Solaray also warns against increased

sensitivity to sunlight, but I've read in several places that this has

never been shown to be a problem with people taking the herb (see

Medicinial Herb FAQ), and it's never been a problem for me.  I really wish

I had world wide web access so that I could take a look at

http://www.hypericum.com

This site supposedly has all kinds of in-depth info and I feel sure it

discusses long-term use.   I've been taking it for over five months now

with no reductions in effectiveness and no side effects at all.



>how long are you going to take it? for some depression is lifelong

>treatment.I wonder what the magic number of months is,I mean what is

>long term?



I have never heard of any danger from long-term use (until I bought this

bottle of Solaray SJW, that is).  However, if you find out something

please let me know!  Thanks,



David





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St.John'sWort/Gingkobilboa?

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 10:33:22 -0500



In article <01bbc73f$4dbe3a00$651c8bcd@DIDIERG.iprax>, "Amy E. Brown"

<amyb@iprax.com> writes:



>I'm planning to switch from Prozac to St. John's Wort myself, but I

believe

>that since hypericin is an MAO inhibitor, you should wait two weeks

between

>stopping the Prozac and starting the St. John's Wort.  A low level of

>fluoxetine (Prozac main ingredient) remains in your bloodstream for a

>while, so you shouldn't have to worry about crashing during the two-week

>"rest" period.



The latest on this is that although hypericin is a mild MAOI, the whole

extract of SJW is not.  On one hand, it may be good to play it safe just

in case, but on the other hand, many people go through a "crash" phase

beginning about a week after stopping fluoxetine which can be worse than

the initial depression itself.  That's why I  switched directly from

Prozac to SJW with no "wash-out" period.



David





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St.John'sWort/Gingkobilboa?

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 03:02:11 GMT



"Amy E. Brown" <amyb@iprax.com> spoke with these words:



>I'm planning to switch from Prozac to St. John's Wort myself, but I believe

>that since hypericin is an MAO inhibitor, you should wait two weeks between

>stopping the Prozac and starting the St. John's Wort.  A low level of

>fluoxetine (Prozac main ingredient) remains in your bloodstream for a

>while, so you shouldn't have to worry about crashing during the two-week

>"rest" period.



>Amy

>amyb@iprax.com







I'm glad you said that Amy....as Prozac is an Uptake inhibitor and SJW

is an MAO inhibitor.  I don't know the difference, but I do know there

is a difference.  My Doctor told me, but ....<g> I forget.



J







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St.John'sWort/Gingkobilboa?

From: "Andrea " <aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us>

Date: 2 Nov 1996 22:47:29 GMT



Are there only certain brands of SJW that work well? I bought some today

made by Nature's 

Fingerprint. Anyone have luck with these?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St.John'sWort/Gingkobilboa?

From: "Ellen J. MacKay" <EMacKay@juno.com>

Date: 8 Nov 96 02:41:40 GMT



My boyfriend uses the same stuff and it seems to work quite well.  We got

it at GNC.

-It took less than two weeks to start working.  - 

Ellen



Please reply to this address:

EMacKay@juno.com



Andrea  <aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us> wrote in article

<01bbc90e$edd4ec20$2ee16cc6@aspaffornorthland.lib.mi.us>...

> Are there only certain brands of SJW that work well? I bought some today

> made by Nature's 

> Fingerprint. Anyone have luck with these?

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St.John'sWort/Gingkobilboa?

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 3 Nov 1996 19:24:00 -0500



In article <55edjn$g5e@news.xmission.com>, JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

writes:



>I'm glad you said that Amy....as Prozac is an Uptake inhibitor and SJW

>is an MAO inhibitor.  I don't know the difference, but I do know there

>is a difference.  My Doctor told me, but ....<g> I forget.



Prozac inhibits the reuptake of serotonin.  This basically means that

serotonin "hangs around" longer in the synapse (space between two nerve

cells) and leads to an enhancement of serotonin activity in the brain. 

It's actually quite a bit more complex than this, but this is giste of it.



MAO, which stands for monamine oxidase, is an enzyme which breaks down

three neurotransmitters: serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine (aka

noradrenaline).  By inhibiting MAO via an MAOI like Nardil, Parnate, etc,

you reduce the breakdown of these neurotransmitters and hence enhance

their activity in the brain.  There are also further divisions of MAO into

MAO-A and MAO-B, as well as distinctions between compounds that are

reversible or irreversible MAO inhibitors, but there's no need to get into

that.



Combining a strong MAOI with an SSRI (selective serotonin reuptake

inhibitor, i.e. Prozac) results in an additive effect on enhancing

serotonin activity and can lead to the so-called "serotonin syndrome", a

potentially fatal condition.



However, since SJW is not an MAO inhibitor, there's no need to worry about

all of this.



David





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: The Aromathrapy Mailing list.

From: Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 07:29:43 +0000



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.extropians,sci.life-extension

Subject: Re: MISINFORMATION CORRECTED, BUT CODEX THREAT IS REAL (WAS US to Outlaw

From: igoddard@erols.com (Ian Goddard)

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 09:25:33 GMT



Sorry about the errors contained in the Freedom Network News article

that was forwarded about, eventually falling onto my hands and my

forwarding it on further. Freedom Network News, of the International

Society for Individual Liberty, IS a reliable alternative news source, 

but it seems they got skunked by some group called "SPIRAL."  Alas, 

the perils of the information age.



Keep in mind that it is true that the FDA and pharmaceutical

interests are seeking to restrict and ban vitamins and herbs.



For the full scoop:  http://www.lef.org/fda/fda.htm











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.extropians,sci.life-extension

Subject: Re: MISINFORMATION CORRECTED, BUT CODEX THREAT IS REAL (WAS US to Outlaw

From: tvakri00@counsel.com

Date: 2 Nov 1996 15:14:24 GMT



>Keep in mind that it is true that the FDA and pharmaceutical

>interests are seeking to restrict and ban vitamins and herbs.



YOu are wrong.  FDA wants the fake substances out of business, just like what we 

consumers want.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.extropians,sci.life-extension

Subject: Re: MISINFORMATION CORRECTED, BUT CODEX THREAT IS REAL (WAS US to Outlaw

From: nataylor@hsonline.net (Noel A. Taylor)

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 11:38:32 GMT



In article <55fogg$km6@nntp208.reach.com>, tvakri00@counsel.com wrote:

>>Keep in mind that it is true that the FDA and pharmaceutical

>>interests are seeking to restrict and ban vitamins and herbs.

>

>YOu are wrong.  FDA wants the fake substances out of business, just like 

what we 

>consumers want.

>



And if the pharmaceutical industry has convinced you that anything they don't 

sell is fake, then I guess they're winning.  Doesn't make 'em right, though.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help with gingko biloba spelling

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 06:11:13 -0500



A friend of mine is designing a book cover for a gingko book, and a debate

has arisen concerning its correct spelling.  I've always seen it as

gingko, but apparently someone (the author?) is insisting that it is

ginko.  Comments?



Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with gingko biloba spelling

From: julsnyder@aol.com (JulSnyder)

Date: 5 Nov 1996 18:38:14 -0500





>A friend of mine is designing a book cover for a gingko book, and a

debate

>has arisen concerning its correct spelling.  I've always seen it as

>gingko, but apparently someone (the author?) is insisting that it is

>ginko.  Comments?



A friend of MINE once told me that to spell it as "Ginko" is okay. 

However, I just looked it up in my herb books and, in the eight that list

the herb, it is spelled "Gingko".  Maybe that doesn't make it the law but

it sure does seem like the most commonly accepted spelling!  I hope this

helps you!



-Julie









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with gingko biloba spelling

From: voorhis@donald.brandonu.ca

Date: 8 Nov 96 21:46:32 CST



In article <55oj56$s4q@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, julsnyder@aol.com (JulSnyder) writes:

> 

>>A friend of mine is designing a book cover for a gingko book, and a

> debate

>>has arisen concerning its correct spelling.  I've always seen it as

>>gingko, but apparently someone (the author?) is insisting that it is

>>ginko.  Comments?

> 

> A friend of MINE once told me that to spell it as "Ginko" is okay. 

> However, I just looked it up in my herb books and, in the eight that list

> the herb, it is spelled "Gingko".  Maybe that doesn't make it the law but

> it sure does seem like the most commonly accepted spelling!  I hope this

> helps you!

> 

> -Julie





Better check your books again.  The actual spelling is GINKGO!  That's

right, that k comes before the g...  



RV







 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea (Was Goldenseal Extinction)

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 06:15:45 -0500



In article <5548rj$hq2@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, James di Paulo 

<jdipaulo@ix.netcom.com> writes:



>>Unfortunately, echinacea is similarly in peril --Judy

>

>Very unlikely, purple coneflowers grow everywhere on the high plains



It may depend on which species that Judy is talking about.  E. purpurea is

the most commonly cultivated, but there are 9 different species of

echinacea, and there has been concern expressed in many herbal journals

that abusive wildcrafting (which removes the whole plant, root and all)

may well lead to the extinction of some of these species.  Large

commercial farming also destroys large areas of wild growth in areas

outside the high plains.



Of the other species, we know at least two others were used medicinally by

American Indians, and how these vary from e. purpurea remains an area for

study.  



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea (Was Goldenseal Extinction)

From: James di Paulo <jdipaulo@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 19:44:14 GMT



>It may depend on which species that Judy is talking about.  E. purpurea is

>the most commonly cultivated, but there are 9 different species of

>echinacea, and there has been concern expressed in many herbal journals

>that abusive wildcrafting (which removes the whole plant, root and all)

>may well lead to the extinction of some of these species.  Large

>commercial farming also destroys large areas of wild growth in areas

>outside the high plains.

>

>Of the other species, we know at least two others were used medicinally by

>American Indians, and how these vary from e. purpurea remains an area for

>study.  

>

All of what you say is true; hoowever, if a market appears, growers will

find a way to supply it, relying upon the seed banks or their own stock for

a beginning.  If we continue to depend upon wildcrafting, ethical or not,

the battle is already lost.



James



James





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea (Was Goldenseal Extinction)

From: strflwr@usit.net

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 06:36:24 GMT



James di Paulo <jdipaulo@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>>It may depend on which species that Judy is talking about.  E. purpurea is

>>the most commonly cultivated, but there are 9 different species of

>>echinacea, and there has been concern expressed in many herbal journals

>>that abusive wildcrafting (which removes the whole plant, root and all)

>>may well lead to the extinction of some of these species.  Large

>>commercial farming also destroys large areas of wild growth in areas

>>outside the high plains.

>>

>>Of the other species, we know at least two others were used medicinally by

>>American Indians, and how these vary from e. purpurea remains an area for

>>study.  

>>

>All of what you say is true; hoowever, if a market appears, growers will

>find a way to supply it, relying upon the seed banks or their own stock for

>a beginning.  If we continue to depend upon wildcrafting, ethical or not,

>the battle is already lost.



>James



>James



I think E. tennessensis is on the endangered list, maybe "only" the

threatened list.  So far as I know it is not currently used in any

medicinal preparations.  E. angurtifolia is the species most often

tested in European studies and is preferred by many.  It is cultivated

and I don't think it is harder to grow than E. purpurea but it is

considerably harder to sprout.  This need not be a problem for

commercial growing, if the plant is harvested sensibly, because

Echinaceas will self sow fairly readily.  (Sprouting seeds and growing

transplants is entirely different than Mother Nature's own method.)

E. pallida also has some popularity as a medicinal and I have seen

seed offered for sale, but I do not think it is comercially grown for

medicinal purposes.  Echinaceas are also bred and grown as

ornamentals, or at least for use in wildflower plantings along

roadsides, etc.  With the relative ease of growing E. purpurea in most

of the middle of the US, I see no reason why it should be necessary to

dig the wild plants.  However, if they are allowed to go to seed

first, and the area is not plowed, there should be LOTS of seedlings

come spring.  Just leave E. tennessensis alone!       -------Jo 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea (Was Goldenseal Extinction)

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 2 Nov 1996 18:38:07 -0500



In article <55djrm$ppe@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, James di Paulo

<jdipaulo@ix.netcom.com> writes:



> If we continue to depend upon wildcrafting, ethical or not,

>the battle is already lost.



Nicely put.  It is becoming easier and easier to obtain seeds, etc., so

wildcrafting is less necessary.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea (Was Goldenseal Extinction)

From: kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 05:42:24 GMT



In article <55gm0v$h3c@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) writes:

>In article <55djrm$ppe@sjx-ixn7.ix.netcom.com>, James di Paulo

><jdipaulo@ix.netcom.com> writes:

>

>> If we continue to depend upon wildcrafting, ethical or not,

>>the battle is already lost.

>

>Nicely put.  It is becoming easier and easier to obtain seeds, etc., so

>wildcrafting is less necessary.



Is wildcrafting not the root of herbalism? why should we depend on companies

and corporations to supply our healt/healing needs when we can be self

sufficient? What about those of us that are broke, and can't afford the high

prices of herbal medecines, not to mention not having our own land to grow

herbs on?



Wildcrafters can ensure that their own remedies are of a high standard, and can

also ensure that they are ethical in their work. I would never think of doing

anything more than looking and marvelling at an indangered plant if I happened

to come upon one.



Kellie

kbonnici@trentu.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea (Was Goldenseal Extinction)

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 16:38:46 GMT



On Mon, 4 Nov 1996 05:42:24 GMT, in alt.folklore.herbs kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca

wrote:



>In article <55gm0v$h3c@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) writes:

>>Nicely put.  It is becoming easier and easier to obtain seeds, etc., so

>>wildcrafting is less necessary.

>

>Is wildcrafting not the root of herbalism? why should we depend on companies

>and corporations to supply our healt/healing needs when we can be self

>sufficient? 



You don't have to go pick the wild plant to be self sufficient. You can always

grow your own. This is ecologically feasible for endangered plants; this is the

only way for plants not normally found in your continent.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea (Was Goldenseal Extinction)

From: cstewart@southeast.net (ǧ)

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 02:41:42 GMT



On Mon, 04 Nov 1996 16:38:46 GMT, HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress) wrote:







You don't have to go pick the wild plant to be self sufficient. You can

always

grow your own. This is ecologically feasible for endangered plants; this

is the

only way for plants not normally found in your continent.



Henriette





But there can be catastrophic results growing plants not  'normally found

in your continent'. Here in Florida (US) our waterways are choked by

water hyacith accidently brought in from South America and parts of the

Everglades have been sucked dry by the water hungry Melaleuca tree, brought

in purposely from Australia.





SKEE







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea (Was Goldenseal Extinction)

From: James di Paulo <jdipaulo@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:59:14 GMT



In article <3280a80c.98394535@news.southeast.net>,

	cstewart@southeast.net (ǧ) wrote:



>You can always grow your own. This is ecologically feasible for endangered 

>plants; this is the only way for plants not normally found in your 

>continent.

>

>Henriette



>But there can be catastrophic results growing plants not  'normally found

>in your continent'. 



This is very true, wheat for example, the plant has practically taken over

the midwest; tomatoes, they are now found everywhere in Italy. And  what

about those pesky potatoes, one cannot walk in Ireland without stumbing over

a potato plant.



James









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Literature.....Looking for a GOOD Herbal book - herbal.txt [01/01]

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 06:19:34 -0500



If you are looking for books to help you identify the herbs, try the

following (which have good color photographs):



Complete Illustrated Holistic Herbal by David Hoffman (current edition,

earlier ones don't have pictures).



Complete Medicinal Herbal by Penelope Ody



Herbs For the Home by Jekka McVicar



All three have tips about cultivation if you want to grow your own, as

well as clearly showing the parts of the herb are used medicinally.  The

Peterson Field Guides are good for wildcrafting as well as the later books

of Michael Moore (Los Remedios lacks photographs).



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 06:23:48 -0500



Maybe it's my location and profession, but I've actually seen flashes of

herbal interest from medical doctors this month.  The MD who works next

door actually bought an herbal book from me (Honest Herbal) because he

wanted to be able to at least discuss this intelligently with his

patients.  And my cousin the MD, back in  Wisconsin, just e-mailed me that

he's thinking about setting up a study on echinacea's effects on the

immune system because so many of his patients were taking it.



So keep mentioning it to your doctors.  You are influencing them.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 01:19:59 GMT





This is an example of how a doctor's screwup can be troublesome.  I

personally think the Chinese system should be used- when you're well,

pay the doctor- but quit paying when you're sick.  Then the doctor

will be more than desperate to get you well, willing to try ANYTHING.



As for febrile seizures, I had a similar problem- strangely though,

they came once every 3 years at ages 3, 6, 9, and 12.  I'm 25 now, and

from 15 onward, I've never had any more febrile seizures.

Barbiturates never helped me- I just felt doped up & totally out of

it, whether it was Phenobarbital or Mebaral. I wish they had an herbal

alternative treatment for seizures (If I ever had a child with this

disorder, I would NOT want him on Phenobarb.)

rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka) said:

>In <559745$m7c@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>

>Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives) writes: 

>>

>......I wouldn't take that shit from any doctor.  Maybe you

>>should've told him how many prescription drugs came from herbs.

>>It's almost getting to the point where people can't trust doctors

>>100%.....

>I haven't trusted doctors for YEARS!!! Ever since my mother told me the

>story of how she was told when my Air Force father transferred from

>Japan to the USA that the infections in my ears were resistant to

>penicillin. This was never written down so when she tried to tell the

>Lieutenant who took over my care state-side, he refused to believe her,

>treated her like a stupid, confused woman and gave me penicillin for

>years.

>Ended up costing me 35% of my hearing, a traumatic surgical experience

>when I was only 8 years old and my immune system is totally screwed up

>from all those years of penicillin. We're not talking ampicillin, we're

>talking the real thing that would get stuck in my throat, that I would

>gag on and then taste that awful taste for hours!! I'm almost 40 now

>and I can still remember it.



>(By the way the ear infections were finally cleared up by a course of

>cortisone drugs in my teens by a civilian doctor).



>I also have walked out of the office of doctors who have been rude to

>me and/or my children. Because of a doctor who said my oldest son would

>talk when he was ready to, hearing problems that delayed his

>development weren't found until the damage was already done. Febrile

>seizures had phenobarbitol thrown at my youngest until it was finally

>found at age 4 that this was all due to an immature nervous system and

>his body not controlling temperature right!!



>And the LAST straw was the doctor whom I went to for tendonitis in my

>right arm (and I type for a living) who asked me: "How heavy is your

>PURSE??"



>I don't trust doctors AT ALL anymore.........



>Cookie





---------------------------------------------------

   __                 -Hey! Who's been puttin'

  /___                     their Kools out on my

  ___/CORPION 1999            floor?

-----------------------===-------------------------







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: vrussell@ix.netcom.com(Vicki Kay Russell)

Date: 3 Nov 1996 04:41:01 GMT



In <556k34$siq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS)

writes: 

>

>

>After reading many posts in this newsletter I have my curiosity built

up.

>I see many have stated that their doctor is appalled when you tell

them

>that you take herbs for your ailments. My doctors reaction was:

>"As far as I'm concerned you can take every herb off the shelves and '

>BURN ' them!" (wow, he almost got hostile!)  I didn't have the heart

to

>tell him many prescription drugs come/came from herbs. 

> Anyone else have their drs reaction they'd like to add???

>Sandy



Wow - he was a little extreme.   I am quite honest with my doctor that

if I HAVE TO take what he prescribes - he better make it very clear

because I do not like to take the pharmaceticals (sp?).   I have told

him that I prefer to take herbs and go the natural route.



Vicki kay





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives)

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 07:46:52 GMT

--------

The doctor doesn't make any money on whether or not you use your

prescription. What you're paying for is the visit.  IMO, any doctor

who says to "burn herbs" is not worth going to again.

Some prescription drugs have BAD side effects.  A friend of mine

considered asking his doctor for an Accutane Rx.  Determined to talk

him out of that nasty shit, I told him to use topical tea tree oil

instead.  And it works!  No harmful effects, unlike Accutane.



vrussell@ix.netcom.com(Vicki Kay Russell) said:



>In <556k34$siq@newsbf02.news.aol.com> doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS)

>writes: 

>>

>>

>>After reading many posts in this newsletter I have my curiosity built

>up.

>>I see many have stated that their doctor is appalled when you tell

>them

>>that you take herbs for your ailments. My doctors reaction was:

>>"As far as I'm concerned you can take every herb off the shelves and '

>>BURN ' them!" (wow, he almost got hostile!)  I didn't have the heart

>to

>>tell him many prescription drugs come/came from herbs. 

>> Anyone else have their drs reaction they'd like to add???

>>Sandy



>Wow - he was a little extreme.   I am quite honest with my doctor that

>if I HAVE TO take what he prescribes - he better make it very clear

>because I do not like to take the pharmaceticals (sp?).   I have told

>him that I prefer to take herbs and go the natural route.



>Vicki kay



---------------------------------------------------

   __                 -Hey! Who's been puttin'

  /___                     their Kools out on my

  ___/CORPION 1999            floor?

-----------------------===-------------------------







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 19:28:04 GMT



In <55jsge$gcp@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>

Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives) writes: 

>

........Some prescription drugs have BAD side effects.....



They SURE DO!!! Last Spring I was prescribed Relafin for inflammation

of the flexor tendon in my right arm. It came with a LOOONG list of

side effects so I was wary about taking it. But I was in pain, I type

for a living so I went ahead and took it.



And got every side effect that was listed. Within days my stomach felt

like raw hamburger, I was nauseaus all the time and feeling very ill.

I even tried taking the stuff with milk but it didn't help. 



I DID see another doctor about this and the best he could do was

prescribe me the usual antacids, Tagamet, Zantac. Offered me

tranqulizers (AGAIN!!!), I turned him down as usual. We got to talking

about herbs since I had bought Penelope Ody's book. Told him I was

trying the Licorice Root and getting some relief from it. He not only

approved that but the other herbs AND asked for the name and author of

the book!



Also, my husband was recently prescribed an antibiotic for an upper

respiratory infection that also came with a LOOONG list of side

effects. And, as with me, within days they began to show up.



It seems that the newer drugs might work well but they seem to have

alot of side effects.



So, if they come with a list of things to look out for, expect

trouble.....



Cookie

  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 19:03:34 GMT



In <55cmk4$3cr@newsbf02.news.aol.com> healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

writes: 

>

>Maybe it's my location and profession, but I've actually seen flashes

>of herbal interest from medical doctors this month.  The MD who works

>next door actually bought an herbal book from me (Honest Herbal)

>because he wanted to be able to at least discuss this intelligently

>with his patients.  And my cousin the MD, back in  Wisconsin, just

>e-mailed me that he's thinking about setting up a study on echinacea's

>effects on the immune system because so many of his patients were

>taking it.

>

>So keep mentioning it to your doctors.  You are influencing them.

>

>Regards,

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

>e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

>http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



I wonder how influenced they would be if they knew how many people who

have given up on the inadequacies of "modern medicine" have turned to

herbal treatment and found cures for things drugs couldn't help.



My turning point was when I was told I needed a "lifestyle change" to

get rid of my chronic gastritis. EXCUSE ME?? I have two teenaged sons,

worked full time, have a workaholic truckdriver hubby. Because I

refused to be drugged out on tranquilizers (do doctors throw those

things at men as much as they do women??), and their antacids didn't

work, they told me to "change my lifestyle."



EXACTLY what does that mean anyway??



No matter....I found the relief I needed in herbs and it don't bother

me much anymore......



Cookie

rkat@ix.netcom.com









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.com

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 8 Nov 1996 05:54:09 GMT



In <32821997.0@news.wclynx.com> Della Noche <dnoche@wco.com> writes: 

>

>Cookie - which herbs worked for you?

>

>Thanks,

>

>dn

>



After consulting Penelope Ody's book "Complete Medicinal Herbal", I

chose for the gastritis Slippery Elm bark, Fenugreek Seed and Licorice

root tincture. I was warned by another doctor (who DID seem comfortable

with herbal treatment) that the only drawback for the licorcie root is

that if used constantly it can mess up your potassium. I only use it

now if I have too much soda or alcohol. (I KNOW, I KNOW, don't DRINK it

in the first place. Hey, I never said I was SMART). Oh, I use the

tincture in peppermint tea. And have found that if I'm going to be

eating spicy foods that some of the Slippery Elm and Fenugreek seed

will PREVENT problems. I also use a formula I got at the Health Food

store called "Digestive Aid" which works GREAT!! You take it after a

meal and it really helps with my poor digestion.



Also, after consulting Susun Weed's "Wise Woman Herbal for the

Menopausal Years" because of the menopause symptoms I was having, I

started using Motherwort in tea in the morning and in the afternoon.

Completely eliminates the mood swings and gets rid of those nasty night

sweats, too.



Glad to have gone herbal,



Cookie







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: doherbs@aol.com

Date: 9 Nov 1996 03:02:27 GMT



Thanks to herbs I was able to get my husband who was a 13 year sufferer of

Ulcerative Colitis completely off prescription drugs in less than a year

(this was years ago and he's still doing great). Also treated a diabetic

cat who had to have insulin shots every day to needing nothing but herbs

in about 2 weeks and  cured an epileptic cat. Got rid of mens prostate

problems, alleviated my mothers Raynaud's disease, alleviated different

asthmas,  migraines, Chemical Sensitivity, ...and the list goes on. It

even inspired me to write and publish my own herbal book.  Many friends

and realtives are now taking herbs. No heavy drugs needed here, thank you.



Sandy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: jdist@mindspring.com (John Distler)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:10:52 GMT



doherbs@aol.com wrote:



>Thanks to herbs I was able to get my husband who was a 13 year sufferer of

>Ulcerative Colitis completely off prescription drugs in less than a year

>(this was years ago and he's still doing great). Also treated a diabetic

>cat who had to have insulin shots every day to needing nothing but herbs

>in about 2 weeks and  cured an epileptic cat. Got rid of mens prostate

>problems, alleviated my mothers Raynaud's disease, alleviated different

>asthmas,  migraines, Chemical Sensitivity, ...and the list goes on. It

>even inspired me to write and publish my own herbal book.  Many friends

>and realtives are now taking herbs. No heavy drugs needed here, thank you.



>Sandy



Please tell what herbs you gave the diabetic cat?

How diabetic was the cat?

What dosage?



I have a diabetic cat and would prefer herbs for the cat.    Thank you

very much.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: moss@pipeline.com (Sam)

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:22:13 GMT



doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS) wrote:





>After reading many posts in this newsletter I have my curiosity built up.

>I see many have stated that their doctor is appalled when you tell them

>that you take herbs for your ailments. My doctors reaction was:

>"As far as I'm concerned you can take every herb off the shelves and '

>BURN ' them!" (wow, he almost got hostile!)  I didn't have the heart to

>tell him many prescription drugs come/came from herbs. 

> Anyone else have their drs reaction they'd like to add???

>Sandy



My doctor is an osteopath and he doesn't mind in the least that I take

herbs.  I told him that he's the closest thing to a new age kook that

I could find that is a member of my HMO.  











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:12:38 -0600







On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Sam wrote:



> doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS) wrote:

> 

> 

> >After reading many posts in this newsletter I have my curiosity built up.

> >I see many have stated that their doctor is appalled when you tell them

> >that you take herbs for your ailments. My doctors reaction was:

> >"As far as I'm concerned you can take every herb off the shelves and '

> >BURN ' them!" (wow, he almost got hostile!)  I didn't have the heart to

> >tell him many prescription drugs come/came from herbs. 

> > Anyone else have their drs reaction they'd like to add???

> >Sandy

> 

> My doctor is an osteopath and he doesn't mind in the least that I take

> herbs.  I told him that he's the closest thing to a new age kook that

> I could find that is a member of my HMO.  

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

My GYN is fine with it - as long as I report any changes to her at my 

regular visit or before. She doesn't know much about them, but is willing 

to learn and has no objection. 



I increased my garlic intake before and after my hysterectomy, and asked 

her for some cinnamon tea the day after surgery - for the gas.  She 

ordered it and was pleasantly surprised and pleased with the operation as 

a whole. She wouldn't attribute any of the results to herbs - but she 

didn't deny that they may well have helped. 



Cissy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 13 Nov 1996 17:04:14 GMT



In <567gbe$9u2@camel1.mindspring.com> moss@pipeline.com (Sam) writes: 

>

>My doctor is an osteopath and he doesn't mind in the least that I take

>herbs.  I told him that he's the closest thing to a new age kook that

>I could find that is a member of my HMO.  

>

By what I understand osteopaths are trained in a whole different system

of thinking than MD's are. They treat the whole patient, not just the

illness. Like when I was treated for gastritis, my doctor asked about

the rest of my life and took into account that I was a newly widowed

mother with 2 small boys I was raising on my own. He offered me

tranquilizers but didn't push when I turned them down. He also

prescribed enzymes to jumpstart my nearly nonexistant digestion.



I have never had a bad reaction about herbs from an DO. I had one even

ask me where I got my info from!! And he actually wrote down the name

of the BOOK!!



Which is why I always look for that DO behind the name if I'm looking

for a doctor. Won't see MD's at all anymore......



Cookie









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:21:19 -0700







What are you taking them for?  That's the key question.  



 Jane 



On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 ewillis@zoomnet.net wrote:



> I am takin' (testing)herbs

> 

> Cat's Claw

> Bilberry

> Pygeum

> Ginkgo Biloba

> 

> Blue-Green Algae

> Colloidial Silver

> Colloidial Minerals

> 

> Any comments?

> 

> I feel like I am doing SOMETHING RIGHT!

> 

> Ed

> 

> 

> 





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives)

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:08:26 GMT



jdist@mindspring.com (John Distler) said:





>I told my husband today, who was making fun of my herbs, vitamins and

>mineral "quake" medicine, "Years ago I went to doctors for my pain and

>they did nothing or gave me drugs that made me sicker.    Some of the

>doctors were in worse pain than me.    Live with it they said.

>Fine.   I wasted $1,000's of dollars on doctors who did nothing

>nothing  nothing.     For me to try a $10 bottle of herbs is cheaper

>and more effective than going to a doctor for pain.



>Do you think the drugs doctors give us are truely safe?    If you do

>heaven help you.



Nope.  I read a post from someone whose son died when on Accutane.

Thank God I talked my friend out of using it. Also, NSAID's can cause

ulcers & kidney damage.  I've heard that stuff like Shoh-wu-Chih (He

Shou Wu/Radix Polygoni Multiflorum, Tang Kuei/Angelica Sinensis, & Di

Huang/Radix Rehmannia) can be GOOD for arthritics (the He Shou Wu in

it has anti-inflammatory ability AFAIK and the Tang Kuei in it has

been said to be good for arthritis).  Some people on the newsgroups

mention garlic use as an antibiotic- if I get another ear infection or

sinus infection & have to go on antibiotics, I'm also going to use

garlic capsules at the same time.  That would help avoid the need for

repeated use of prescription antibiotics(PA's).  I've read that too

much use of PA's is not a good thing. 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 18 Nov 1996 21:34:46 GMT



In <56p5i5$bnj@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>

Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives) writes: 

>

>That would help avoid the need for repeated use of prescription

antibiotics(PA's).  I've read that too much use of PA's is not a good

thing. 



Absolutely not good for you. A Pagan friend of mine and I were talking

about what seems to be a very weak immune system I have and she told me

that she thinks constant childhood use of penicillin (the real stuff)

for chronic ear infections has compromised my immune system. She's

helping me to boost it with echinacea and golden seal.



I also have a very poor digestion and another friend of mine was put on

herbs, minerals and enzymes by her doctor who told her that too much

antibiotic use has messed up her digestion by destroying bacteria which

helps to digest our foods. Makes me wonder if I might have the same

problem.



What ever happened to the days when you could trust a doctor to

actually cure you and not make you worse??



Cookie







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 18 Nov 1996 21:28:42 GMT



In <56o0mc$9qn@camel4.mindspring.com> jdist@mindspring.com (John

Distler) writes: 

>

>Do you think the drugs doctors give us are truely safe?    If you do

>heaven help you.

>

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!! Last Spring I was prescribed an RX called Relafin

for tendonitis in my right arm. The first bells that went off were the

list of possible side effects that came with it. Well, I got every one

of them after only two days on it. Ended up with (and I quote an

Osteopathic doctor here), my stomach lining being literally eaten away.





I was in agony, couldn't sleep without constant hot water bottles. All

the doctor could give me was Zantac which did nothing. Not even Tagamet

helped. Got out my brand new herb book, looked up gastritis

(inflammation of the stomach lining), got the herbs it recommended and

had both a chili dog, a beer and cheese fries three days later with no

discomfort.



A month ago hubby was prescribed something for an Upper Respiratory

Infection that almost did the same thing to HIM!!!



WHEN did the FDA start approving drugs that come with a LONG list of

possible side effects, mostly involving the stomach??? I thought their

jobs were to keep drugs SAFE??



And they're trying to outlaw HERBS???



UNBELIEVEABLE!!!



Cookie







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: You're taking herbs???

From: Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives)

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:21:37 GMT



I saw something on Hard Copy that talked about a doctor who developed

a new alternative cancer medicine.  He's known as "Dr. B." and sends

his preparation across state lines to his patients after having seen

them.  Now the FDA wants to bust him.  The FDA is a bunch of murderers

IMO.  If they outlaw Dr. B's medicine, quite a lot of cancer victims

will likely die.  One mother said "They're trying to kill our son!".

The name David Kessler makes my skin crawl.  I think the FDA needs its

powers curtailed to an extent.  

Herbs can benefit many people- the customer who buys them, as well as

the insurance companies who have less claims filed.  The IC's won't

have to kick up premiums as much.

Donnie Iris said it best in his 80's song "Love Is Like A Rock":

  "You can't depend on your doctor".



rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka) said:



>In <56o0mc$9qn@camel4.mindspring.com> jdist@mindspring.com (John

>Distler) writes: 

>>

>>Do you think the drugs doctors give us are truely safe?    If you do

>>heaven help you.

>>

>ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!! Last Spring I was prescribed an RX called Relafin

>for tendonitis in my right arm. The first bells that went off were the

>list of possible side effects that came with it. Well, I got every one

>of them after only two days on it. Ended up with (and I quote an

>Osteopathic doctor here), my stomach lining being literally eaten away.





>I was in agony, couldn't sleep without constant hot water bottles. All

>the doctor could give me was Zantac which did nothing. Not even Tagamet

>helped. Got out my brand new herb book, looked up gastritis

>(inflammation of the stomach lining), got the herbs it recommended and

>had both a chili dog, a beer and cheese fries three days later with no

>discomfort.



>A month ago hubby was prescribed something for an Upper Respiratory

>Infection that almost did the same thing to HIM!!!



>WHEN did the FDA start approving drugs that come with a LONG list of

>possible side effects, mostly involving the stomach??? I thought their

>jobs were to keep drugs SAFE??



>And they're trying to outlaw HERBS???



>UNBELIEVEABLE!!!



>Cookie





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  ___/CORPION 1999            floor?

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for morning sickness

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 06:27:55 -0500



In article <3276ce74.12523229@news.why.net>, sindara@pobox.com (Sharon R.

Saroff) writes:



>This is the first time I have heard that ginger causes miscarraige.



There's been some reports of excessive use of ginger causing bleeding,

which may have led to the miscarriage idea. It's not contraindicated for

pregnancy in any of the herbals that I've read, although they do recommend

using it for only short periods of time in low dosages.



One Danish study used ginger for morning sickness in dosages not to

exceeding 1 gram of powder daily (divided into four equal doses), for

three to four days.  It was made into a tea for the women, and no serious

side effects were reported.  BUT, if you have a history of miscarriage or

other health problems, do consult with your physician.



Best wishes,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for morning sickness

From: vrussell@ix.netcom.com(Vicki Kay Russell)

Date: 3 Nov 1996 04:43:34 GMT



In <3276ce74.12523229@news.why.net> sindara@pobox.com (Sharon R.

Saroff) writes: 

>

>This is the first time I have heard that ginger causes miscarraige.



This is a shock to me also.   My cousin was told by her doctor she

could use ginger for her morning sickness.  I also use on a regular

basis for car sickness.   



Vicki Kay



>What other herbs should I watch for?  I thought Fennel was not to be

>taken during pregnancy because it causes miscarraige.

>

>Please confirm.

>

>Sharon

>

>

>jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz) wrote:

>

>>Sharon R. Saroff (sindara@pobox.com) wrote:

>>: Does anyone know of any herbs that help lessen morning sickness

during

>>: pregnancy?

>>

>>The obvious choice would be ginger, but i'm pretty sure that's not 

>>appropriate for pregnancy--may cause miscarriage.  I would recommend 

>>meadowsweet; Deb Soule of Avena Botanicals gives this recipe for

nausea 

>>with pregnancy:  2 parts wild yam root; 1 part meadowsweet; a part 

>>dandelion root; 1 part peach leaves, 1 part fennel seed.  in tincture



>>form:  25-40 drops, 3-4 times daily; during acute times, take 10

drops as 

>>often as needed.  Eat easy foods:  yogurt, miso, barley, oatmeal,

brown 

>>rice.  hope this helps --Judy

>







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for morning sickness

From: kestevens2@aol.com (KEStevens2)

Date: 4 Nov 1996 21:21:39 -0500



>>This is the first time I have heard that ginger causes miscarraige.

>

>This is a shock to me also.   My cousin was told by her doctor she

>could use ginger for her morning sickness.  I also use on a regular

>basis for car sickness.   



I have read in several herbals that ginger is good for morning sickness. I

wouldn't take capsules of ginger, but a good ginger tea helped me when I

was pregnant. Does anyone have a source for this concern about ginger

during pregnancy?



Kat





 /\ _ /\

( * ^ * )          KAT

(__|__)~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for morning sickness

From: jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 01:03:06 GMT



KEStevens2 (kestevens2@aol.com) wrote:

: >>This is the first time I have heard that ginger causes miscarraige.

: >

: >This is a shock to me also.   My cousin was told by her doctor she

: >could use ginger for her morning sickness.  I also use on a regular

: >basis for car sickness.   

: 

: I have read in several herbals that ginger is good for morning sickness. I

: wouldn't take capsules of ginger, but a good ginger tea helped me when I

: was pregnant. Does anyone have a source for this concern about ginger

: during pregnancy?



Whoops--I think I started this scare.  I was wrong, for sure.  I read 

that it is ok to take ginger for morning sickness. Sorry! --Judy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for morning sickness

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:01:08 +0000



In article <55ahlq$ka@news.dmnd.net>, "Duane Weed, DC"

<drweed@netguard.net> writes

>In article <3272cd47.20216025@news.why.net>, sindara@pobox.com says...

>>

>>Does anyone know of any herbs that help lessen morning sickness during

>>pregnancy?

>

>

>Ginger is effective and safe. It may also help with headaches, aches and

>pains, and promote circulation.

>

>

>



I am very wary of any pregnant woman taking any kind of herbs or drugs

during the early part of pregnancy, there is to much that can go wrong.

One thing you might try, and it worked for me, Is arrowroot biscuits

with your morning drink, dont drink coffee, try hot water and honey

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: swift@crl.com (Scotty)

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:01:59 GMT



neth@cyberway.com.sg shared:



>Here's 3 remedies for diarrhoea:



<snip>



One more.. number 4 ..



Eating several banannas is a great remedie for diarrohea.



  _   _       

 {~._.~}     Scotty - Atlanta Georgia, USA

  ( Y )             low stress web

 ()~*~()       http://www.crl.com/~swift/

 (_)-(_)







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: herblady@gte.net

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 00:22:11 GMT



You reminded me of what my daughter's pediatrician once told us:

"She is acting like a brat when she has diarrhea.  Feed her the brat

diet: Bananas, Rice, Applesauce, Toast (dry).  The first letters spell

brat.



Jean



swift@crl.com (Scotty) wrote:



>neth@cyberway.com.sg shared:

>

>>Here's 3 remedies for diarrhoea:

>

><snip>

>

>One more.. number 4 ..

>

>Eating several banannas is a great remedie for diarrohea.

>

>  _   _       

> {~._.~}     Scotty - Atlanta Georgia, USA

>  ( Y )             low stress web

> ()~*~()       http://www.crl.com/~swift/

> (_)-(_)

>







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: susanm@dogbert.xroads.com (Susan C. Mitchell)

Date: 5 Nov 1996 08:16:45 GMT



herblady@gte.net wrote:

: You reminded me of what my daughter's pediatrician once told us:

: "She is acting like a brat when she has diarrhea.  Feed her the brat

: diet: Bananas, Rice, Applesauce, Toast (dry).  The first letters spell

: brat.



My mother had a traditional remedy for when my brother or I got 

diarrhea:  she bought an entire package of Oreo cookies and let the 

diarrhetic kid eat all sie wanted.  The result was always the same:  we 

got constipated.



Think globally, act locally.

     Susan



--

===========  Susan C. Mitchell  ===========  susanm@xroads.com  ===========

"Gadfly is what they call you when you are no longer  |  Seditious libel 

dangerous.  I much prefer troublemaker, malcontent,   |   for fun and

desperado."  -- Harlan Ellison                        |     profit





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: "Susan C. Mitchell" <susanm@dogbert.xroads.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: Darrin Tingey <dtingey@allwest.net>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 10:18:24 -0700



Susan C. Mitchell wrote:

> 

> herblady@gte.net wrote:

> : You reminded me of what my daughter's pediatrician once told us:

> : "She is acting like a brat when she has diarrhea.  Feed her the brat

> : diet: Bananas, Rice, Applesauce, Toast (dry).  The first letters spell

> : brat.

> 

> My mother had a traditional remedy for when my brother or I got

> diarrhea:  she bought an entire package of Oreo cookies and let the

> diarrhetic kid eat all sie wanted.  The result was always the same:  we

> got constipated.

> 

> Think globally, act locally.

>      Susan

> 

> --

> ===========  Susan C. Mitchell  ===========  susanm@xroads.com  ===========

> "Gadfly is what they call you when you are no longer  |  Seditious libel

> dangerous.  I much prefer troublemaker, malcontent,   |   for fun and

> desperado."  -- Harlan Ellison                        |     profit





Hi all,

	Slippery Elm helps with diarrhoea.  Adults take one-two capsules and

with children, open one capsule and dump half of it onto a spoonful of honey

to help in swallowing.  Don't put into liquid as it will quickly gell.

	Also, if you have someone in the family with diarrhoea, have them lie

down on their back and you kneel on their right side.  Find the right hip bone

and go to the inside edge of it, towards the stomach.  Sink your fingers down

into the flesh along this bone and follow it down until the person cries out.

It is the Ileo-Ceco Sphincter (spelling? Sorry) and it will hurt if it is stuck

open or closed.  Rub this in a counter-clock-wise motion for the count of 45 or

less on a child.  It will release and feel better if you correct it.  If not, 

find the same place and push down, holding a firm pressure.  This will then help

it.  Then the bowel will clean out.  A doctor once told me that diarrhoea is just

a liquid constipation, meaning that the sphincter is trapped and backed up, thus

the liquid part is the only part getting through.  This really works.

	If anyone has any questions, feel free to write.

Good luck!



Sincerely, Tonya Tingey : )



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 00:07:30 -0700



Amen Steve - and - psyllium is good because it 

assists the process of cleansing the colon and has a beneficial effect on 

the whole GI tract.  Take a teaspoon once or twice a day - with that 

juice!  Be sure you stir it up and drink right away otherwise you have a 

gelatinous mess.           Jane



On 30 Oct 1996, Steven B. Harris wrote:



> In <ramiller-3010960031060001@ts2port6.port.net> ramiller@interport.net

> (Robert  A. Miller) writes: 

> >

> >In article <556jlr$a3n@newsvr.cyberway.com.sg>, neth@cyberway.com.sg

> wrote:

> >

> >> Here's 3 remedies for diarrhoea:

> >> 

> >> 1. Take fresh chopped garlic mixed with porridge. Alternative: take

> >> garlic tablets or pearls in dosage.

> >> 

> >> 2. Stir 3 to 4  desert spoonfuls of  molasses (dark brown sugar) in

> >> hot water. Drink it and preferably with garlic tablets or pearls.

> >> 

> >> 3. If the aforesaid remedies still do not work, a stronger remedy is

> >> called for :  Drink pineapple juice. Canned ones will do.  However

> >> pineapple juice may not be so suitable for weak stomach ( e.g.

> gastric

> >> problem) and for young kids.

> >> 

> >> These 3 home remedies work for the majority of diarrhoea cases.

> >

> >The quickest and most effective cure for diarrhea is to simply stop

> >eating, until it goes away.  Diarrhea is an urgent action by the body

> to

> >get rid of something which it finds offensive as quickly as possible. 

> >Help your body to achieve this end by not interfering with the process

> and

> >it will be over just that much sooner.

> >

> >-- 

> >ROBERT A. MILLER

> >PARK SLOPE, BROOKLYN, NY, U.S.A.

> >ramiller@interport.net

> 

> 

> 

> You can stop eating, but you're a fool if you stop drinking. 

> Especially things like Gatorade, V-8 juice, and 100% fruit juices,

> which you need to replace the electrolytes you're losing with diarrhea.

> 

>                                        Steve Harris, M.D.

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 10:55:02 -0800



Ayurvedic remedies include 

1) triphala which corrects diarrhea or constipation while detoxing and

toning the colon.

2) isabgol with cool water (found in Indian groceries)

3) avoid hot foods and spices like garlic, onions, wine, etc.

For more information visit our website

http://www.holistic.com/listings/11709ac1.html or email us for a free

catalog.

Ayurveda Holistic Center





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 96 03:11:41 GMT

--------

In article <55cp14$eg5@nexp.crl.com>, swift@crl.com (Scotty) wrote:

>neth@cyberway.com.sg shared:

>

>>Here's 3 remedies for diarrhoea:

>

><snip>

>

>One more.. number 4 ..

>

>Eating several banannas is a great remedie for diarrohea.

>

>  _   _       

> {~._.~}     Scotty - Atlanta Georgia, USA

>  ( Y )             low stress web

> ()~*~()       http://www.crl.com/~swift/

> (_)-(_)

>



A strong tea with blackberry or raspberry is good too,

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: bedubeu@wimsey.com (BW)

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 05:18:26 GMT



This always works for us in our family, there is no harm in trying it

and it actually tastes good:



Use one tablespoon of "Waterchesnut Powder, Dried"(which is readily

available in any Chinese Grocery in any city with a Chinatown), add

enough water(about two TBSP) to make a thin paste.



To 1and a half cup of boiling water, add the above paste/solution,

keep water boiling. Add sugar(raw cane sugar if it is your

preferrence) to taste, if you wish.



Let it cool down a little and take it.



If waterchesnut powder is not available in your city, arrowroot powder

also works.



Good health.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: ramiller@interport.net (Robert  A. Miller)

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 10:23:27 -0400



These suggestions are great except they don't address the cause of the

problem:  If we know why there is diarrhoea, then and only then does a

real cure become possible.  

   Diarrhoea is a beneficial attempt on the part of the body to get rid of

something which it finds repulsive, irritative, and/or poisonous.  A good

example is highly spiced foods.  To one degree or another they irritate

the alimentary canal, and the body will make an emergency effort to get

rid of the offending matter(How many people have eaten Indian food and

found themselves with a loose motion if not diarrhoea very soon after?)

ASAP.

   Taking oodles of cookies or other starchy foods, or some type of

thickener like arrowroot, etc.  may stop the diarrhoea, but almost always

brings constipation.  And then what happens to the poisons which the body

was trying to expel?  Of course, they are still in the intestines! And

worse yet, some of those poisons will now be absorbed into the blood since

the intestines being the organ of assimilation continue to function.  Just

like most treatments in modern medical science this may stem the symptoms

for the moment, but will not address the cause.

   Most effective remedy to alleviate the cause:  Stop doing what got you

in trouble in the first place.  Refrain from eating and drink plenty of

pure water or water with a squeeze of fresh lemon until the diarrhoea

stops.  This will take a day or two maybe longer in cases of dysentary,

etc., but probably a day will suffice.  Follow with a few days of

fruit(not sweet fruits), or vegetables or steamed vegetables if you have

been a heavy meat or starch eater.  Most of all stop eating what brought

on the problem in the first place.  If you find this difficult, just

remember real well what the diarrhoea felt like.

   Yes, I do speak from experience.  I have cured myself of a few cases of

rather serious dysentary whilst in Asia through this infallible method.  

   Recommended reading:   MUCULESS DIET HEALING SYSTEM by Arnold Ehret

also check out HEALTH and BEYOND at    http://members.gnn.com/chetday/open.htm 

                   

Wishing you the best of LIFE and HEALTH,  Robert



-- 

*********************************************************************

ROBERT A. MILLER

PARK SLOPE, BROOKLYN, NY, U.S.A.

ramiller@interport.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: kestevens2@aol.com

Date: 8 Nov 1996 19:33:41 GMT



In article <ramiller-0711961023270001@ts1port40.port.net>,

ramiller@interport.net (Robert  A. Miller) writes:



>   Diarrhoea is a beneficial attempt on the part of the body to get rid

of

>something which it finds repulsive, irritative, and/or poisonous.  A good

>example is highly spiced foods.  To one degree or another they irritate

>the alimentary canal, and the body will make an emergency effort to get

>rid of the offending matter(How many people have eaten Indian food and

>found themselves with a loose motion if not diarrhoea very soon after?)

>ASAP.



What about situations where the diarrhea is chronic? I'm not talking

food-induced (at least not induced by particular types of food--perhaps by

the *concept* of food in general <g>), but just chronic loose bowels?

Something like Krohn's (sp?) disease or irritable bowel syndrome. I have

yet to find *any* food that I can eat that does not cause *some* bowel

trouble.



 /\ _ /\

( * ^ * )          KAT

(__|__)~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: vandy@avana.net (Vandy Terre)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 15:42:12 GMT



On Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:01:59 GMT, swift@crl.com (Scotty) wrote:



>neth@cyberway.com.sg shared:

>>Here's 3 remedies for diarrhoea:

><snip>

>One more.. number 4 ..

>Eating several banannas is a great remedie for diarrohea.





Okay, now I am really confused.  All four of these methods posted to

cure diarrhoea, cause diarrhoea in my family.  Are you trying to cure

the diarrhoea by increasing the condition????  Or do the members of my

family and my husband's family just have an unusual response to garlic

and all fruit products???  My diarrhoea cure is to consume cottage

cheese or any hard yellow cheese.  In fact, I balance cheese intake

with fruit/ fruit juice intake to keep a balance between diarrhoea and

constipation.



Please email responses, I do not get all newsgroup posts.  My server

claims that they are not available.  Does Sprint.net not carry all

newsgroup posts or is avana.net misleading me?



posted/ emailed



Vandy Terre

vandy@avana.net

Georgia, USA





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:15:47 +0000



In article <327cca11.8908835@news.avana.net>, Vandy Terre

<vandy@avana.net> writes

>On Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:01:59 GMT, swift@crl.com (Scotty) wrote:

>

>>neth@cyberway.com.sg shared:

>>>Here's 3 remedies for diarrhoea:

>><snip>

>>One more.. number 4 ..

>>Eating several banannas is a great remedie for diarrohea.

>

>

>Okay, now I am really confused.  All four of these methods posted to

>cure diarrhoea, cause diarrhoea in my family.  Are you trying to cure

>the diarrhoea by increasing the condition????  Or do the members of my

>family and my husband's family just have an unusual response to garlic

>and all fruit products???  My diarrhoea cure is to consume cottage

>cheese or any hard yellow cheese.  In fact, I balance cheese intake

>with fruit/ fruit juice intake to keep a balance between diarrhoea and

>constipation.

>

>Please email responses, I do not get all newsgroup posts.  My server

>claims that they are not available.  Does Sprint.net not carry all

>newsgroup posts or is avana.net misleading me?

>

>posted/ emailed

>

>Vandy Terre

>vandy@avana.net

>Georgia, USA



Different things affect people differently, for instance, mashed boiled

egg, works very well as douse chocolate,

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: vandy@avana.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea

From: Robert Dorman <redorman@plix.com>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 22:54:29 -0800



Shez wrote:

> 

> In article <327cca11.8908835@news.avana.net>, Vandy Terre

> <vandy@avana.net> writes

> >On Fri, 01 Nov 1996 12:01:59 GMT, swift@crl.com (Scotty) wrote:

> >

> >>neth@cyberway.com.sg shared:

> >>>Here's 3 remedies for diarrhoea:

> >><snip>

> >>One more.. number 4 ..

> >>Eating several banannas is a great remedie for diarrohea.

> >

> >

> >Okay, now I am really confused.  All four of these methods posted to

> >cure diarrhoea, cause diarrhoea in my family.  Are you trying to cure

> >the diarrhoea by increasing the condition????  Or do the members of my

> >family and my husband's family just have an unusual response to garlic

> >and all fruit products???  My diarrhoea cure is to consume cottage

> >cheese or any hard yellow cheese.  In fact, I balance cheese intake

> >with fruit/ fruit juice intake to keep a balance between diarrhoea and

> >constipation.

> >

> >Please email responses, I do not get all newsgroup posts.  My server

> >claims that they are not available.  Does Sprint.net not carry all

> >newsgroup posts or is avana.net misleading me?

> >

> >posted/ emailed

> >

> >Vandy Terre

> >vandy@avana.net

> >Georgia, USA

> 

> Different things affect people differently, for instance, mashed boiled

> egg, works very well as douse chocolate,

> --

> Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

> The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

_______________________________________________________________________

DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor. As with any medical condition, it is

always advisable to seek competant professional care. The information

provided here is not intended to replace prescribed medication or other

medical care, and is provided for information purposes only.

_______________________________________________________________________

This one works. Get Kuzu. Comes in white lumps in a plastic envelope/bag

in health food stores (not the vitamin shops that call themselves health

food stores). Specifically, it is used by the "macrobiotic community."



You will also need umeboshi plumbs and tamari (from same place you got

the Kuzu) and a non-metal pot (enamel is OK).



Dissolve about a teaspoon full of kuzu in about two cups of COLD water

in the pot by stirring and squishing with a wooden or plastic spoon

(i.e., non-metal). You should end up with a milky liquid. Get all the

lumps dissolved.



Apply low heat (DO NOT BOIL) and continuously stirr. It takes a lot of

stirring (maybe as long as 10 minutes), but the liquid will all of a

sudden turn grey, start sticking to the bottom a little, and thicken.

Stir awile longer (about a minute) and shut off the heat. Crush in an

umeboshi plum (without the stone) and stir that around. Add tamari to

turn the mixture a light brown.  Allow to cool enough to drink. (It can

really hold the heat- don't burn yourself). Drink and enjoy. The D.

should go away within about 8-24 hours- possibly sooner. For severe

cases, try a cupfull about every 1/2 to one hour.

--Bob





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: 50 herbs, Commission E

From: mwagner2@ix.netcom.com(Mary Wagner)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 16:29:52 GMT



I came across an article about  the following and didn't know about it

before so I thought it might help others also.



Germany's Commission E, an independent division of the German federal

health agency actively collects information on herbal medicines then

evaluates their safety and effectiveness.  These evaluations are then

published in brief monographs which include either a positive or

negative assessment of whether the particular herb is safe and

effective for over-the-counter use.



The article says that herbs and phytomedicines have long been popular

in Germany and their use has strong support from the German medical

establishment.  Roughly 70 percent of Gemany's general practitioners

regularly prescribe herbal remedies.



The Commission E monographs were translated into english this past

summer by the American Botanical Council (a non-profit organization)

and include over 312 mongraphs for different herbs and herbal

combinations.  



From what the article says, this is a landmark publication for the use

of herbs and finally puts science behind the use of herbs.



The article included 50 of the monographs which detail uses, dosages,

contraindications, interactions with other drugs and side effects for

the following herbs : angelica root, anise, arnica flower, black cohosh

root, blueberry, bogbean, butcher's broom, calendula, cardamom, cascara

sagrada, chamomile, chicory, cinnamon, dandelion, devil's claw,

echinacea, dill seed, elder flower, ephedra, fennel, garlic, hawthorn,

ginseng, hops, juniper, kava kava, lavender, lecithin, marshmallow leaf

and root, mate, milk thistle, myrrh, onion, paprika (cayenne), passion

flower, peppermint, pine needle oil, radish, poplar, rose flower, sage,

saw palmetto, senna, stinging nettle, thyme, uva ursi, valerian, white

mustard seed, white willow bark, yarrow.



If anyone wants a copy of any of the above monographs or more on the

article about commision E via email let me know.   



American Botanical Council also has a web page at www.herbalgram.org.

and the name of the magazine is "Healthy Remedies" where I found the

article.  



Mary Wagner

Symmetry International

www.symmetry.3000.com

marywagner@symmetry.3000.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: 50 herbs, Commission E

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 3 Nov 1996 23:38:45 -0500



In article <55d8i0$67r@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,

mwagner2@ix.netcom.com(Mary Wagner) writes:



>The Commission E monographs were translated into english this past

>summer by the American Botanical Council (a non-profit organization)

>and include over 312 mongraphs for different herbs and herbal

>combinations.  



But they won't be available through ABC until December or maybe early

January (they ran into delays in proofing and printing). Just spoke to

them about this as we've got several customers backordered for the book. 

It's definitely worth checking out and the ABC should be congratulated for

tackling such a mammoth task.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort - How to use?

From: mheat@hookup.net (Norbert Senf)

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 17:15:48 GMT



On 29 Oct 1996 23:03:58 -0500, doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS) wrote:



>In article <53nt7b$31p@clyde.open.ac.uk>, et7@open.ac.uk writes:

>

>>I have St John's Wort in my garden, and am trying to avoid buying

>>capsules, etc; how can I prepare the fresh stuff, and which parts of

>>the plant to use?particularly  for treatment of long-term depression?

>>Thanks.

>>Ev.

>

>Ev

>The whole plant is used. I would cut, wash and air dry it. When it is dry

>and brittle you can put it into a blender and give it a quick chop-up to

>turn it into a powder form. It can be used as tea or get some gel capsules

>and fill them.(.........snip)



The active anti-depressant in St. John's Wart is not extracted by

water, but needs to be extracted in oil or alcohol. I use a commercial

oil extract that is made from the blossoms only.



Best.......Norbert Senf

--------------------------------------------------------

Norbert Senf			email:   mheat@mha-net.org

Masonry Stove Builders		website: http://mha-net.org/msb		

RR 5, Shawville			fax:	 819.647.6082

Quebec J0X 2Y0			

		

				 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort - How to use?

From: strflwr@usit.net

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 06:53:01 GMT



Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com> wrote:



>doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS) wrote:

>>In article <53nt7b$31p@clyde.open.ac.uk>, et7@open.ac.uk writes:

>>

>>>I have St John's Wort in my garden, and am trying to avoid buying

>>>capsules, etc; how can I prepare the fresh stuff, and which parts of

>>>the plant to use?particularly  for treatment of long-term depression?

>>>Thanks.

>>>Ev.

>>

>>Ev

>>The whole plant is used. I would cut, wash and air dry it. When it is dry

>>and brittle you can put it into a blender and give it a quick chop-up to

>>turn it into a powder form. It can be used as tea or get some gel capsules

>>and fill them. It can make skin sensitive to light and sun. Do not use in

>>large doses or for extended periods of time as it may prove proisonous to

>>the system so long term usage is not recommended. Some other things you

>>can use for depression are bee pollen, magnesium supplements, evening

>>primrose oil, ginkgo, ginseng, milk thistle, rosemary, sage, thyme,

>>sunflower seeds and almonds. Some of the things that will ' cause '

>>depression is valerian (herb), large amounts of choline in the diet,  and

>>Xanax (the drug) and some side effects of Prozac (drug) are suicidal

>>tendencies, hypertension, trouble sleeping. A suggestion: when you feel

>>the "blues" coming on grab a handful of sunflowerseeds and almonds. 





>I use the flowering tops (just the flowers if I am feeling 'purist').  I 

>would never dry hypericum because the fresh plant is so superior. IMO 

>(never humble)



>I suggest Michael Moore's 'Medicinal Plants of the Pacific West' for some 

>good information about hypericum and how to use it.



>There is also a good web page devoted to Hypericum, sorry I don't have 

>the URL handy.



>Deb



The Hypericum Home Page is  www.hypericum.com

I suggest visiting it.  I did and learned a lot.       -------Jo











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort - How to use?

From: erdda@aol.com

Date: 9 Nov 1996 02:01:06 GMT



I would like to de-lurk (hello!) and add a cautionary note: St.John's wort

is like a MAO-inhibitor, meaning that you should avoid foods and

medications that people on MAO's must not ingest...I would like to chime

in for tinctures; we have a really great herbalist company in NJ...I also

have it in my garden, but am unsure about trying to make tinctures

myself...

Erdda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort - How to use?

From: vic_hlushak@bc.sympatico.ca (Vic Hlushak)

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 17:52:21 GMT



erdda@aol.com wrote:



>I would like to de-lurk (hello!) and add a cautionary note: St.John's wort

>is like a MAO-inhibitor, meaning that you should avoid foods and

>medications that people on MAO's must not ingest...I would like to chime

>in for tinctures; we have a really great herbalist company in NJ...I also

>have it in my garden, but am unsure about trying to make tinctures

>myself...



There is no evidence that SJW acts as a MOAI with food interactions. I

use a tincture that I make myself but the problem is the dose rate.



TTYL



vic

vic hlushak

Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Honey

From: Keith  Jolliffe <keith@jolliffe.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:24:33 +0000



In article <55akme$h92@beldin.it.com.au>, ashryn <ashryn@it.com.au>

writes

>roter@istar.ca (Sol Roter) wrote:

>

>>Does anybody have information on the use of honey to treat minor cuts,

>>scrapes and burns. Thanks for your help.

>

>>Sol

>

I can recall seeing a publication about the remedial aspects of honey. I

believe that some ancient cave drawings depicted honey being used in the

above manner. It sounds as though it has been well tested.

-- 

Keith  Jolliffe



Turnpike evaluation. For Turnpike information, mailto:info@turnpike.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Honey

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:13:45 +0000



In article <55akme$h92@beldin.it.com.au>, ashryn <ashryn@it.com.au>

writes

>roter@istar.ca (Sol Roter) wrote:

>

>>Does anybody have information on the use of honey to treat minor cuts,

>>scrapes and burns. Thanks for your help.

>

>>Sol

>

>hi

>the only thing i have heard honey being used for is bites and stings,

>particularly bee stings. i have tried this myself, and i found it

>worked quite well, considering i am normally allergic to bee stings, i

>got over it with a minimum of trauma.

>love ashryn

>



I have used honey for many years for minor cuts scrapes, burns, stings,

and new scars. Honey coats the affected area and keeps it clean and free

from infection, It reduces pain, and speeds healing,

 New scars can often be softend and reduced considerably by using honey

, Dont forget to renew the honey regulary and to clean the wound

carefully

 A local hospital has been researching it use on operation scars, once

the scars have closed .

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tibetan Medicine Classes

From: etokar@aol.com (ETokar)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 14:05:04 -0500



                   The New York Botanical Garden Presents:



                         



           TIBETAN MEDICINE: A 4 part course taught by Eliot Tokar



Based on the centuries old Buddhist study of the mind - and directly

influenced by the ancient medical science of India, Persia, Greece, and

China - Tibetan medicine offers a unique understanding of healing from a

spiritual and ecological perspective. The integrity of body and mind is a

basic assumption of Tibetan medical science, the practice of which

requires

that physicians cultivate their minds - through meditation and study - to

clearly understand the inter relation of the psychological and physical

aspects of health.

Eliot Tokar will draw on over a decade of study and apprenticeship with

some

of Tibet's most highly esteemed senior practitioners to present this

series

introducing this ancient medical system which embodies the compassion and

wisdom of the Buddha of Healing.



Eliot Tokar has been a student of Tibetan medicine since 1983, studying

first with Dr. Yeshi Dhonden, and for the past seven years as an

apprentice

of Dr. Trogawa Rinpoche. He also has training in Chinese medicine and

acupuncture and Macrobiotics and its related Japanese natural therapies.



He maintains a practice in New York City.



To be held at the The New York Botanical Garden, Bronx, NY:

Saturdays, Nov 2, 9, 16, 23.

And in Manhattan at Rockefeller University: Mondays Nov 4, 11, 18, 25.



For information and registration call the Registration Office,

The New York Botanical Garden: 718-817-8747





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gingeng increases pulse?

From: Devorah Slavin <dslavin@emory.edu>

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 14:28:23 -0500



Hi everybody



While visiting my grandmother I gave her a "Sibergin" siberian ginseng

capsule and she loved the energy she got, so I bought her a tube. 

However, she said that after taking another one recently, she had sweats

and a racing pulse (she has some arrythmia).  All of my herb books refer

to siber. ginseng as non-toxic and good for heart conditions.  Is anyone

away of it having a stimulent effect?  Is there a good energy herb for

an 80 year old which is safe and wont conflict with heart arrythmia or 

be to stimulating?



Thanks and peace



Devorah Slavin    |  ^ ^

Emory University  |  ~ ~

dslavin@emory.edu |  >*<





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gingeng increases pulse?

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 4 Nov 1996 10:38:07 GMT



Hello Devorah



Following are my viewpoint according Traditional Chinese Medicine.



First I have not used Sib. Ginseng before (in Hong Kong usually we use

Chinese Ginseng or Am. Ginseng) but we can know it from the response of

your mother.



Generally speaking:

Ginseng supplement and rise the Qi (energy and vitality)  whole body;

mainly to the middle part i.e. stomach and spleen; because of the rise of

Qi, it also have significant effect in the upper part (th qi in lung and

heart).  It can also nourish yin (fluid) but to a relatively minor

strength. It can be cool or hot in nature according to different types of

ginseng.



Specifically to your mother's case:

It's apparent that your mother is running short of Qi wheras having other

problem at the same time.

The first dose help her on the deficiency in Qi or energy (which is a

stimuli of movement).  The 2nd dose made her sweat and speed up the heart

rate because 

i) the Sib. ginseng you used not only give her energy but also stimulated

her heart rate even before your mother discover it. Whether it helps her or

giving her a racing pulse is only a matter of degree.  

ii) according to TCM, sweat is considered as the fluid of heart, the fluid

is brought outward by the supplemented energy in the heart because the

heart do not have enough ability in concentration.  Your mother's heart is

not only weak in the moving ability it is also weak on the ability to

concentrate or keeping the energy.

iii) the sib. ginseng you used might be hot in nature, which makes your

mother's heart turning hot so the heart just sweat in order to make itself

more comfortable.



Remedy:

Please find a good MD to control everything first.   

Two reason: 

1) She is 80 and I don't know too much about her general physical

condition.

2) which is not really important, I'm too far away.



Recommended herbs for arrythma:

Jac Gum Cho     Licorice root (panfried with honey)     <Radix Glycyrrhizae

(panfried with honey)> 

before Gum Cho is panfried with honey, it is balance in nature (neither

cool or warm);  balance the stomach; acting as supplementary detoxifier

(not a strong one); taste sweet which is often considered to be suitable

for slowing down and relaxation.

after it is panfried with honey, it turns to warm in nature; it is added

the ability to supplement Qi or energy.



>All of my herb books refer to siber. ginseng as non-toxic and good for

heart conditions.  Is anyone away of it having a stimulent effect?  

Just a short comments on it,  sweat and pulse racing is not neccessarilly

the reaction to toxic.  The reason for this reaction is because of her age

and heart condition.   As for "good for heart conditions", I seldom use

this term "good? or bad?".  Each herbs must have its own individuality and

will be suitable for certain patient under certain conditions.  For

example, we need nutrition, but too much nutrition will cause problems too

(urea nitrogen, urea acid, infection, etc.)  So, it is not a matter of good

or bad but of the accuracy in diagnosis and the appropriateness in

prescription.



Hope this can help.



regards yklaw at jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com





Devorah Slavin <dslavin@emory.edu> wrote in article

<327A4F57.3580@emory.edu>...

> However, she said that after taking another one recently, she had sweats

> and a racing pulse (she has some arrythmia).  All of my herb books refer

> to siber. ginseng as non-toxic and good for heart conditions.  Is anyone

> away of it having a stimulent effect?  Is there a good energy herb for

> an 80 year old which is safe and wont conflict with heart arrythmia or 

> be to stimulating? . . .







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gingeng increases pulse?

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:05:18 +0000



In article <327A4F57.3580@emory.edu>, Devorah Slavin <dslavin@emory.edu>

writes

>Hi everybody

>

>While visiting my grandmother I gave her a "Sibergin" siberian ginseng

>capsule and she loved the energy she got, so I bought her a tube. 

>However, she said that after taking another one recently, she had sweats

>and a racing pulse (she has some arrythmia).  All of my herb books refer

>to siber. ginseng as non-toxic and good for heart conditions.  Is anyone

>away of it having a stimulent effect?  Is there a good energy herb for

>an 80 year old which is safe and wont conflict with heart arrythmia or 

>be to stimulating?

>

>Thanks and peace

>

>Devorah Slavin    |  ^ ^

>Emory University  |  ~ ~

>dslavin@emory.edu |  >*<



My mother swears by Royal jelly, she also uses honey as a sweetner

instead of sugar, She is now over 90 and still ballroom dancing.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal cures for asthma

From: Jonta <mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:21:14 -0500





 

 Does anyone, or has anyone tried any herbal medicines to control, or cure

 their Asthma?  If so what were they and do they work?

 

 *******************************************************************************

 			     Marie Jonta Williams 

 		     University of Maryland Baltimore County 

 		B.S. Mathematics, Concentration:Operations Research

 			     mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu

 *******************************************************************************







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal cures for asthma

From: mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 00:39:03 -0700



Cranberry juice extract is excellent for relieving and stopping an asthma 

attack.  It's bitter stuff though.  Take a teaspoon every 10 minutes 

until relieved.  Michael Tierra has suggestions for asthma in his book 

Planetary Herbs.    

                   Jane







On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Jonta wrote:



> 

>  

>  Does anyone, or has anyone tried any herbal medicines to control, or cure

>  their Asthma?  If so what were they and do they work?

>  

>  *******************************************************************************

>  			     Marie Jonta Williams 

>  		     University of Maryland Baltimore County 

>  		B.S. Mathematics, Concentration:Operations Research

>  			     mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu

>  *******************************************************************************

> 

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oil of Evening Primrose

From: Big John <johnengr@netlabs.net>

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 14:00:09 -0800



Olga wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have any information on what Oil of Evening Primrose is

> supposed to be used for, and in what doses?  I've found

> conflicting information, from weight loss to female troubles, to sleep

> disorders. TIA!





  I no expert, but I have found that taking one 500mg capsule per day with meals help my 

dry eye condition.  This allows me to keep my contact lenses in about twice as long as 

if I don't take it.



                                         Big John





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oil of Evening Primrose

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:07:46 +0000



In article <327A72E9.676D@netlabs.net>, Big John <johnengr@netlabs.net>

writes

>Olga wrote:

>> 

>> Does anyone have any information on what Oil of Evening Primrose is

>> supposed to be used for, and in what doses?  I've found

>> conflicting information, from weight loss to female troubles, to sleep

>> disorders. TIA!

>

>

>  I no expert, but I have found that taking one 500mg capsule per day with meals 

>help my 

>dry eye condition.  This allows me to keep my contact lenses in about twice as 

>long as 

>if I don't take it.

>

>                                         Big John



it is taken in England for Pre menstral tension and has proved very

succesfull.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oil of Evening Primrose

From: Jay Ts <jayts@sedona.net>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:59:38 -0700



>Olga wrote:

>

> Does anyone have any information on what Oil of Evening Primrose is

> supposed to be used for, and in what doses?  I've found

> conflicting information, from weight loss to female troubles, to sleep

> disorders. TIA!



(Standard disclaimers apply -- this is simply the best info I can

provide right now.)



Evening primrose oil contains a fairly high percentage of Gamma

Linolenic Acid (or was it linoleic acid?)  I'll just shorten it to GLA

like everyone else.  GLA is an essential fatty acid.  Essential fatty

acids are important in the diet because they cannot be made in the human

body and are needed to make other things out of.  Fatty acids are also

used at the cellular level (along with oxygen and glucose) in part of

the energy production mechanism.



[Got to get on my soapbox for a minute...



It is quite possible that most people have a deficiency of essential

fatty acids.  If we all ate fresh-picked fruits and vegetables, we would

get plenty.  Unfortunately, EFAs are ruined by heating or exposure to

light or air (oxygen).  Oils naturally contain EFAs, but the stuff you

get at the grocery store has probably been heated (if not dissolved in

hexane first!) and then left at room temperature in a clear bottle for a

long time.  Try supplementing with 1-3 teaspoons per day of cold-pressed

flax seed oil (or hempseed oil if you can get it) and see if you feel

better.  Both are excellent sources of EFAs.  Look for the opaque

bottles in the *refigerator* of the health food store.  Just take care

of them and DON'T cook with them!



Done!]



GLA is an interesting fatty acid, in that it is a precursor for

prostaglandin (sp?) which I will abbreviate as PG.  This chemical is

used widely within the body, and a deficiency will result in sub-optimal

metabolism (sorry, no details on this one).  Maybe this has something to

do with Evening Primrose oil being helpful for PMS (?).



While you're at it, note that Evening Primrose oil was the first source

of concentrated GLA found in nature, but since then there have been

others, notably Borage and Black Current seed oils.  Borage oil is 24%

(!!!) GLA, and much less expensive than Evening Primrose oil.  But I'm

not saying that it will necessarily work better, after all, maybe there

is something special in Evening Primrose oil besides GLA.



- Jay Ts





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oil of Evening Primrose

From: jdist@mindspring.com (John Distler)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:34:53 GMT



Jay Ts <jayts@sedona.net> wrote:



>>Olga wrote:

>>

>> Does anyone have any information on what Oil of Evening Primrose is

>> supposed to be used for, and in what doses?  I've found

>> conflicting information, from weight loss to female troubles, to sleep

>> disorders. TIA!



>(Standard disclaimers apply -- this is simply the best info I can

>provide right now.)



>Evening primrose oil contains a fairly high percentage of Gamma

>Linolenic Acid (or was it linoleic acid?)  I'll just shorten it to GLA

>like everyone else.  GLA is an essential fatty acid.  Essential fatty

>acids are important in the diet because they cannot be made in the human

>body and are needed to make other things out of.  Fatty acids are also

>used at the cellular level (along with oxygen and glucose) in part of

>the energy production mechanism.



>[Got to get on my soapbox for a minute...



>It is quite possible that most people have a deficiency of essential

>fatty acids.  If we all ate fresh-picked fruits and vegetables, we would

>get plenty.  Unfortunately, EFAs are ruined by heating or exposure to

>light or air (oxygen).  Oils naturally contain EFAs, but the stuff you

>get at the grocery store has probably been heated (if not dissolved in

>hexane first!) and then left at room temperature in a clear bottle for a

>long time.  Try supplementing with 1-3 teaspoons per day of cold-pressed

>flax seed oil (or hempseed oil if you can get it) and see if you feel

>better.  Both are excellent sources of EFAs.  Look for the opaque

>bottles in the *refigerator* of the health food store.  Just take care

>of them and DON'T cook with them!



>Done!]



>GLA is an interesting fatty acid, in that it is a precursor for

>prostaglandin (sp?) which I will abbreviate as PG.  This chemical is

>used widely within the body, and a deficiency will result in sub-optimal

>metabolism (sorry, no details on this one).  Maybe this has something to

>do with Evening Primrose oil being helpful for PMS (?).



>While you're at it, note that Evening Primrose oil was the first source

>of concentrated GLA found in nature, but since then there have been

>others, notably Borage and Black Current seed oils.  Borage oil is 24%

>(!!!) GLA, and much less expensive than Evening Primrose oil.  But I'm

>not saying that it will necessarily work better, after all, maybe there

>is something special in Evening Primrose oil besides GLA.



>- Jay Ts

I am confused are you saying you can't take the evening primrose oil

off the shelf in pill forms in the health food store, because they are

not refrigerated?







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oil of Evening Primrose

From: Jay Ts <jayts@sedona.net>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:44:45 -0700



John Distler wrote:

> 

> Jay Ts <jayts@sedona.net> wrote:

> > [some stuff concerning EPO and a flame on commercial vegetable oils]

>

> I am confused are you saying you can't take the evening primrose oil

> off the shelf in pill forms in the health food store, because they are

> not refrigerated?



Hi again.  Actually, NO, I did *not* mean to put down the evening

primrose oil supplements at all.  The oil is stored in gelatin capsules,

which seems to do a fairly good job of keeping oxygen away from the

oil.  Just don't heat it, or expose it to strong light (the gel caps

protect from that somewhat as well).  Now, if I were shopping for EPO

and I had a *choice* between the unrefrigerated gel caps and a bottle of

cold-pressed oil in the refrigerator, I would certainly want the

latter.  Of course, it would probably be a lot more expensive, too.  Be

assured that many have used the gel caps and done very well by them.



By the way (everyone) note that if you are replying to an article such

as this and really want an answer to your question, it would be better

to reply by email.  I don't read this newsgroup all the time, and

certainly not every article, just what catches my attention in the

moment (same as you, right?).



I just happened to have read the article with the question directed at

me.  Hypothetically, I could have not checked in with this newsgroup for

a few days and the article would have expired without me having the

slightest awareness of it.



Just in case you didn't know...



- Jay Ts





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oil of Evening Primrose

From: Citygirl <ol518@idt.net>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:10:32 -0500



Hi again, everyone!



I believe I was the one that originally started this thread, but when

there were no prompt replies, I stopped reading, and now it seems I

missed all the info (the articles have expired).



Sorry to be repetitive, but what ARE the benefits/side effects, etc. of

the Oil of Evening Primrose?  I've been taking it for a couple of weeks,

and so far it's improved my nails and my hair.  I also heard that it can

be beneficial for high cholesterol, weight loss, and female problems. 

Anyone know any particulars?



Thanks!



-Citygirl





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oil of Evening Primrose

From: jdist@mindspring.com (John Distler)

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:31:59 GMT



Citygirl <ol518@idt.net> wrote:



>Hi again, everyone!



>I believe I was the one that originally started this thread, but when

>there were no prompt replies, I stopped reading, and now it seems I

>missed all the info (the articles have expired).



>Sorry to be repetitive, but what ARE the benefits/side effects, etc. of

>the Oil of Evening Primrose?  I've been taking it for a couple of weeks,

>and so far it's improved my nails and my hair.  I also heard that it can

>be beneficial for high cholesterol, weight loss, and female problems. 

>Anyone know any particulars?



>Thanks!



>-Citygirl



I read EPO was good for the kidneys and liver and other internal

organs.    I guess if your insides are healthy your outside would be

too.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oil of Evening Primrose

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 02:55:48 GMT



jdist@mindspring.com (John Distler) spoke with these words:



>Citygirl <ol518@idt.net> wrote:



>>I believe I was the one that originally started this thread, but when

>>there were no prompt replies, I stopped reading, and now it seems I

>>missed all the info (the articles have expired).



Here is the answer posted a bit ago..hope you see it. I think his name

was Jay that posted it.



>Evening primrose oil contains a fairly high percentage of Gamma

>Linolenic Acid (or was it linoleic acid?)  I'll just shorten it to GLA

>like everyone else.  GLA is an essential fatty acid.  Essential fatty

>acids are important in the diet because they cannot be made in the human

>body and are needed to make other things out of.  Fatty acids are also

>used at the cellular level (along with oxygen and glucose) in part of

>the energy production mechanism.



>[Got to get on my soapbox for a minute...



>It is quite possible that most people have a deficiency of essential

>fatty acids.  If we all ate fresh-picked fruits and vegetables, we would

>get plenty.  Unfortunately, EFAs are ruined by heating or exposure to

>light or air (oxygen).  Oils naturally contain EFAs, but the stuff you

>get at the grocery store has probably been heated (if not dissolved in

>hexane first!) and then left at room temperature in a clear bottle for a

>long time.  Try supplementing with 1-3 teaspoons per day of cold-pressed

>flax seed oil (or hempseed oil if you can get it) and see if you feel

>better.  Both are excellent sources of EFAs.  Look for the opaque

>bottles in the *refigerator* of the health food store.  Just take care

>of them and DON'T cook with them!



>Done!]



>GLA is an interesting fatty acid, in that it is a precursor for

>prostaglandin (sp?) which I will abbreviate as PG.  This chemical is

>used widely within the body, and a deficiency will result in sub-optimal

>metabolism (sorry, no details on this one).  Maybe this has something to

>do with Evening Primrose oil being helpful for PMS (?).



>While you're at it, note that Evening Primrose oil was the first source

>of concentrated GLA found in nature, but since then there have been

>others, notably Borage and Black Current seed oils.  Borage oil is 24%

>(!!!) GLA, and much less expensive than Evening Primrose oil.  But I'm

>not saying that it will necessarily work better, after all, maybe there

>is something special in Evening Primrose oil besides GLA.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oil of Evening Primrose

From: Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives)

Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 08:43:30 GMT



One veterinary use I've heard of for O.E.P. is to add it to your

dog's/cat's food.  This helps prevent chapped skin, which attracts

fleas.



Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk> said:



>In article <327A72E9.676D@netlabs.net>, Big John <johnengr@netlabs.net>

>writes

>>Olga wrote:

>>> 

>>> Does anyone have any information on what Oil of Evening Primrose is

>>> supposed to be used for, and in what doses?  I've found

>>> conflicting information, from weight loss to female troubles, to sleep

>>> disorders. TIA!

>>

>>

>>  I no expert, but I have found that taking one 500mg capsule per day with meals 

>>help my 

>>dry eye condition.  This allows me to keep my contact lenses in about twice as 

>>long as 

>>if I don't take it.

>>

>>                                         Big John



>it is taken in England for Pre menstral tension and has proved very

>succesfull.

>-- 

>Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

>The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

>------------------------------------------------------------------



---------------------------------------------------

   __                 -Hey! Who's been puttin'

  /___                     their Kools out on my

  ___/CORPION 1999            floor?

-----------------------===-------------------------







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oil of Evening Primrose

From: kcstarr@echo.sound.net (Starr)

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 04:46:46 GMT



jdist@mindspring.com (John Distler) wrote:



>Citygirl <ol518@idt.net> wrote:



>>Hi again, everyone!



>>I believe I was the one that originally started this thread, but when

>>there were no prompt replies, I stopped reading, and now it seems I

>>missed all the info (the articles have expired).



>>Sorry to be repetitive, but what ARE the benefits/side effects, etc. of

>>the Oil of Evening Primrose?  I've been taking it for a couple of weeks,

>>and so far it's improved my nails and my hair.  I also heard that it can

>>be beneficial for high cholesterol, weight loss, and female problems. 

>>Anyone know any particulars?



>>Thanks!



>>-Citygirl



>I read EPO was good for the kidneys and liver and other internal

>organs.    I guess if your insides are healthy your outside would be

>too.



EPO is GREAT for PMS symptoms.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: burns

From: pdsd@ultranet.ca

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 14:18:49 -0800



Callie wrote:

> 

> pdsd@ultranet.ca wrote:

>>I'd like to know what these "bacteria that can kill you" are on Aloe Vera . . .

>

> Sherri:

>   Check any pathogenic bacteriology book under Pseudomonas:

> the common pathogen P. aeruginosa has numerous relatives that

> are normally found on plants.  Some of the species are

> opportunistic pathogens - given the chance, they will cause an

> infection in a human. They are resistant to many antibiotics, and

> from a medical point of view, fast-moving aggressive bacteria.

> 

>   Washing off the plants might work, but I don't know how

> resistant they are to soap.  P. aeruginosa can be found living in

> most fauce aerators, BTW, and it will infect wounds in a flash.

> 

>   If a burn has broken the skin, the last thing you want on it is

> any unsterile plant tissue.  A young man in Phoenix lost his leg

> and almost his life when a scratch got infected with one of the

> Pseudomonas group - it was a plant bacteria that also

> produced tissue-destroying and toxic enzymes.

> Callie



Callie:



	Thanks for responding.  When I read the origional post, I thought you

might be talking about a new pathogen or one unique to Aloe, hence my

curiosity.  Pseudomonas ssp are known to inhabit water, soil, plants,

and are even in the normal flora on some people's skins.  The operative

phrase is that they are "opportunistic"; they will take advantage of any

opportunity where one's normal defense mechanisms are breached or

weakened.



	Thanks for the timely reminder that burn injuries are particularly

vulnerable to opportunistic infections.  However much one wants to use

natural remedies, any burn with broken skin needs to be treated with

extra care for aseptic technique.



	Regards, Sherri





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: burns

From: Devorah Slavin <dslavin@emory.edu>

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 15:38:04 -0500



pdsd@ultranet.ca wrote:

> 

> Callie wrote:

> >

> > pdsd@ultranet.ca wrote:

> >>I'd like to know what these "bacteria that can kill you" are on Aloe Vera . . .

> >

> > 

> >   If a burn has broken the skin, the last thing you want on it is

> > any unsterile plant tissue.  A young man in Phoenix lost his leg

> > and almost his life when a scratch got infected with one of the

> > Pseudomonas group - it was a plant bacteria that also

> > produced tissue-destroying and toxic enzymes.

> > Callie

> 

> 

Pure lavender oil, good for so many things, can be applied directly to

burns.  It helps numb pain, it is anti-bacterial, and it speeds healing

of burns tremendously.  

-- 

Devorah Slavin      ^ ^

Emory University    ~ ~

dslavin@emory.edu   >*<





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleep Pillows, Lavender, Angelica

From: Carl & Leslie Booth <ogre3000@mail.combase.com>

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 19:29:54 -0500



Judith Schwartz wrote:

> 

> : Susan Pinder wrote:

> : > Does anyone have any other thoughts on what might blend well with the

> : > Lavender in sleep pillows?

> 

> Try marjoram--also great for sleep--also chamommile, roses--Judy



I have also heard that hops are very good.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleep Pillows, Lavender, Angelica

From: byrnes@melb.alexia.net.au (Vanessa Meachen)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 96 13:44:17 GMT



In article <551jmb$lhc@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives) wrote:

>manderly@netcom.ca (Susan Pinder) said:

>

>>Well I'm here, does anyone know the origin of the name 'Angelica'

>>root, and what it has been traditionally used for???  The only

>>reference I have to it, is a medievial use for warding off witches.

>

>Angelica (angelica sinensis) root is the Chinese herb Dong Quai (also

>called Tang Kuei, Tang Gui, or Dang Gui.  One use is to ease women's

>menopausal symptoms, AFAIK.



Or it could be Angelica archangelica, the European angelica. The root is tied 

with various other herbs in a blue or white cloth bag and hung in the window 

to ward off evil. The stalks are candied for use in confectionery (although I 

haven't seen them since I was a child) and to flavour liqueurs, and a tisane 

of the herb has been drunk for lung disorders and to bring on menstruation.



Vanessa.



Come and visit Vanessa's Pagan Page.

Paganism, herbs, literature and cult TV. Updated weekly.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6707/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleep Pillows, Lavender, Angelica

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:11:53 +0000



In article <5589t0$3s4@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Judith Schwartz

<jschwart@thunder.temple.edu> writes

>: Susan Pinder wrote:

>: > Does anyone have any other thoughts on what might blend well with the

>: > Lavender in sleep pillows?

>

>Try marjoram--also great for sleep--also chamommile, roses--Judy



Try Hops a traditional ingrediant in English herbal pillows Lemon balm

is nice with a strong lemon smell, I personally like rose petals and you

can choose your favourite rose for its pleasant perfume.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleep Pillows, Lavender, Angelica

From: walliser@flash.net

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 01:24:20 GMT



Does anyone know anything about  sleep pillows for infants? Please

reply via e-mail. (walliser@flash.net)



jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz) wrote:



>: Susan Pinder wrote:

>: > Does anyone have any other thoughts on what might blend well with the

>: > Lavender in sleep pillows?



>Try marjoram--also great for sleep--also chamommile, roses--Judy









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleep Pillows, Lavender, Angelica

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 22:13:41 +0000



In article <55ohpc$9e3@excelsior.flash.net>, walliser@flash.net writes

>Does anyone know anything about  sleep pillows for infants? Please

>reply via e-mail. (walliser@flash.net)

>

>jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz) wrote:

>

>>: Susan Pinder wrote:

>>: > Does anyone have any other thoughts on what might blend well with the

>>: > Lavender in sleep pillows?

>

>>Try marjoram--also great for sleep--also chamommile, roses--Judy

>

>



Hops are very relaxing and very traditional, dried rose petals,

honeysuckle, thyme, chammommile ( it has an apple like scent) realy just

pick your favourite flowers and herbs,dry them and try them.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleep Pillows, Lavender, Angelica

From: ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:23:58 GMT



jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz) wrote:



>: Susan Pinder wrote:

>: > Does anyone have any other thoughts on what might blend well with the

>: > Lavender in sleep pillows?



>Try marjoram--also great for sleep--also chamommile, roses--Judy

 

you could also try hops as in hops they put in beer, yes, hops works

magically with lavender, but you must make sure you dont actually

sleep on the pillow, you put it under your pillow.. otherwise the

smell might be too strong, and keep you awake :)

love ashryn







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sleep Pillows, Lavender, Angelica

From: Betty Cunningham <bettyc@flyinggoat.com>

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 00:59:47 -0800



ashryn wrote:



> you could also try hops as in hops they put in beer, yes, hops works

> magically with lavender, but you must make sure you dont actually

> sleep on the pillow, you put it under your pillow.. otherwise the

> smell might be too strong, and keep you awake :)



the active sleep-inducing part of hops is in the pollen of the female

plant's flower (it's called lupeline and is the same stuff that makes

you sleepy if you drink lots of beer).  If you put it in a pillow-make

sure the flowers have the yellow pollen or it won't work.  It does wear

out, too, so make sure you can replace it in the pillow after a couple

of months.



-Betty Cunningham





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for scars>???

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 01:12:57 +0000



In article <557t75$km9@lantana.singnet.com.sg>, Kelvin Wei Chong

<kel6978@singnet.com.sg> writes

>

>



No message on your mail.  but if the scars are new rub honey into them

it will realy speed up the healing, and the scar tissue will be far

less.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: kel6978@singnet.com.sg

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for scars>???

From: Jan Cuccia <eleclady@pressenter.com>

Date: 2 Nov 1996 02:44:44 GMT



I've been using different things to try & prevent scarring & help healing.  Vitamin's A & E, 

aloe vera, castor oil, & a blend of oils of almond, peanut, olive  with camphor.  If anyone 

out there has other suggestions please post or e-mail me.  Thanks Jan









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for scars>???

From: Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 21:58:21 +0000



In article <55ecis$d4e@jair.pressenter.com>, Jan Cuccia

<eleclady@pressenter.com> writes

>I've been using different things to try & prevent scarring & help healing.  

>Vitamin's A & E, 

>aloe vera, castor oil, & a blend of oils of almond, peanut, olive  with camphor.  

>If anyone 

>out there has other suggestions please post or e-mail me.  Thanks Jan

>

>





Lavender Essential oil is considered to be useful.



-- 

Graham Sorenson

The Guide to Aromatherapy and other goodies can be found at:-

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for scars>???

From: Jan Cuccia <eleclady@pressenter.com>

Date: 5 Nov 1996 05:16:14 GMT





>>If anyone 

>>out there has other suggestions please post or e-mail me.  Thanks Jan

>>

>>

>Lavender Essential oil is considered to be useful.





Your quite right.  I have also used lavender essential oil added to a base oil like almond & 

it's truly wonderful.

-Jan  









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for scars>???

From: coltremb@rsvs.ulaval.ca (Colette Tremblay)

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 08:58:04 -0500





> >>If anyone 

> >>out there has other suggestions please post or e-mail me.  Thanks Jan

> >>

> >>

> >Lavender Essential oil is considered to be useful.

> 

> 

> Your quite right.  I have also used lavender essential oil added to a base oil like almond & 

> it's truly wonderful.

> -Jan 



In Chile, rose hip oil (known there as "aceite de rosa mosqueta") is

commonly used for scars. I don't know if it is available in the US, but I

have seen it _occasionnally_ in health food stores here in Canada.  



-- 

Colette Tremblay

Quebec Canada

zone 4b





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for scars>???

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 15:25:01 -0700



coltremb@rsvs.ulaval.ca (Colette Tremblay) wrote:



>> >>If anyone 

>> >>out there has other suggestions please post or e-mail me.  Thanks Jan



  One tip from a plastic surgeon, for whom minimizing

scarring is a way of life:

    AVOID SUNLIGHT on the scar for several months.  The new

tissue is very sensitive to burning and will develop a protective

dark pigment that may never go away. 

(she says, looking at several dark scars left from that nasty

incident over five years ago when I was brutally assaulted by a

mesquite tree whose thorns were like organic razor wire)



Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for scars>???

From: dlawson@agt.net (Dawn Lawson)

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 12:25:42



In article <557t75$km9@lantana.singnet.com.sg> kel6978@singnet.com.sg (Kelvin Wei Chong) writes:

>From: kel6978@singnet.com.sg (Kelvin Wei Chong)

>Subject: Any herbs for scars>???

>Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:50:02 GMT







I have read that rose hip oil is helpful when rubbed on the scar.  

Specifically Rosa Mosqueta spp.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for scars>???

From: George Meno <geormeno@mail.snet.net>

Date: 3 Nov 1996 18:06:53 GMT



Scars also respond to Vitamin E both in capsule form (at least 800 mg a 

day) or also in cream form. It's being used by plastic surgeons to 

accelerate healing.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for scars>???

From: FriskyKtn@cwo.com (Kitten)

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 10:40:37 GMT



Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net> spoke with these words:



>Jan Cuccia wrote:

>> 

>> I've been using different things to try & prevent scarring & help healing.  Vitamin's A & E,

>> aloe vera, castor oil, & a blend of oils of almond, peanut, olive  with camphor.  If anyone

>> out there has other suggestions please post or e-mail me.  Thanks Jan



>For fresh scars Ayurveda suggests arjuna, manjishtha, turmeric and aloe

>gel

>   For more information check our website

>http://www.holistic.com/listings/11709ac1.html

>or email us for a free catalog

>   Ayurveda Holistic Center





I have been using a salve I got from a place called Jacob's Well. It

has faded my moles, and those little broken capillaries, and has faded

a couple of my scars.  I'm still working on a scar from a motorcycle

burn.  I gave some to one of my black friends, who said she scars

whenever she touches something, practically, and it took away 2 of her

scars in about 3-4 weeks.  She used it everyday, I haven't been.



If you want the url it is this...you can email the person from the

page.



http://www.cwo.com/~jwell









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for scars>???

From: alostlady@aol.com

Date: 16 Nov 1996 12:29:08 GMT



Aloe Vera. If the scars are new, rub the aloe into them and they will heal

completely. I used AloeGel from Protectives International for my

hysterectomy scar and now I don't have one at all! It took six weeks. 

:->





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for scars>???

From: sarah <mouse@hooked.net>

Date: 28 Nov 1996 11:29:36 GMT



In article <19961116123100.HAA12087@ladder01.news.aol.com> ,

alostlady@aol.com writes:

>Aloe Vera. If the scars are new, rub the aloe into them and they will heal

>completely. I used AloeGel from Protectives International for my

>hysterectomy scar and now I don't have one at all! It took six weeks. 

>:->



I have terriffic luck with vitimin E oil.  Some people have a terrible

reaction to topical application, so use care.  But it made 10 year old

raised scars on my hands almost disappear





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.conspiracy,alt.dreams.lucid

Subject: Re: herbal medicine under attack

From: jiajen@pc.jaring.my (Gary L. Green)

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 02:41:27 GMT



On Mon, 28 Oct 1996 01:09:43 -0500, SGT4YOU!

<sgtalday@freenet.tlh.fl.us> wrote:



>I must beg to differ here. While some dishonest doctors may have this

>attitude I can't believe that there is some big conspiracy to dupe the

>public. 



Hi there!

Sorry but I must beg to differ here also.  Anyone familiar with the

AMA and especially their attempts to contain and eliminate the

Chiropractic profession will indeed believe that there is some big

conspiracy to dupe the public.  You can refer to the transcripts of

the Wilk v. AMA trial if you have any doubts.  They can be found with

a search under Chiropractic with Yahoo.



The AMA is not a governmental body.  It is a grotesquely well funded

trade union for the medical profession.





>Call me an optimist, but I prefer to see the good in everyone...



I would say innocent.  See only the good and you'll get bitten more

often than not.  



This is not a flame.  I'm sure you are a good person and intelligent.

We just disagree on this.



It is in the interest of the AMA and the pharmaceutical industries to

control as much of the multi-billion dollar health industry as they

can.  Turf = profit.  People out there "self-medicating" and getting

better puts no money in their coffers.





> Most doctors, 

I take it you mean Medical Doctors



>God bless

>'em, are still looking through the eyes of antiquated medical doctrine at

>the health problems of the modern world. 



Read "antiquated medical doctrine" as: 

	Give commercial drugs always.

	Surgery is the next step after drugs.

	Do only what is the norm, CYA.



Friend, I work with the victims of the Medical Machine every day.  



First comes the drugs and the advice to "rest".  



Then the physio's with the traction, heat and ultrasound.  



After that has further distorted the patient's spine they are referred

out for the surgeon.  Surgery many times is ineffective or only

temporary.  



In a few years they are back in the Medical loop again.  Many then

receive the final dx of some variation of Chronic Pain Sufferer and

receive the life sentence of Painkillers-for-Life.



This is the result of the antiquated medical doctrine.  It sucks.



I look forward to your reply sir.  As I said before, I say this to you

with all respect.





Gary L. Green, B.Sc., D.C.

jiajen@pc.jaring.my





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.conspiracy,alt.dreams.lucid

Subject: Re: herbal medicine under attack

From: mbreault@ozemail.com.au (Marc Breault)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 06:13:27 GMT



wright@clam.Hi.COM (David Wright) wrote:

Some people attack criticism of the report because they feel such

attacks are not scientifically based.  Since the report is

scientifically based, it is believed to be set in stone so to speak.



It seems to me that the medical institutions of the world often use

science in the same manner religious institutions use blind faith.  We

are taught to believe that if something has been scientifically

tested, it must be true.  And yet what effort is made to explore the

assumptions underlying the scientific paradigms used?  Yes, I say

assumptions.



Let us explore, in general, the underlying assumptions made by the

majority of medical practitioners.  First, they tend to believe that

their way (western medical science) is either the best way, or in more

dogmatic cases, the only way, to treat disease.  What is their way?

They primarily believe in a material dose of a drug.  If a drug is

derived from a plant, then a material dose of the active ingredient is

required.



This is why conditions are often treated with antibiotics or other

drugs.  If someone comes along and says: "hay, let's try energy

healing," they are dismissed and scoffed at for being unscientific.

(Ok, you do get the occasional story of unorthodox methods used.  I am

speaking in general terms here).



Is it scientific to deny non-orthodox methods of healing sufficient

funding for good solid testing?  Is it scientific to allocate research

grants to "acceptable" treatments?  Anyone who thinks that science is

devoid of political influence has naive in the extreme.



For example, what is the scientific view of a doctor in, say, China?

A doctor in China might use foot reflexology to treat gall stones.

Why?  Because it works in many cases.  That is the ultimate scientific

proof.  Try doing that in the west and see how far you get with the

medical establishment.  



You see, it wouldn't be so bad if science were used properly.  But

what we get is the medical establishment's interpretation of science.

It's like religious denominations.  One person might look at a set of

data and say that a homeopathic dose cannot work because there's

nothing left of the ingredient.  Another person might look at the same

data and discuss the merits of energy treatment based on the

observation that human beings have energy fields.  



We have been brainwashed into thinking that science is an absolute,

that it has no "denominations."  This is, unfortunately, a myth.

Pharmaceutical companies spend billions of dollars (and do help

people, let's not forget that), while herbal companies spend maybe

thousands of dollars.  Which do you suppose has more influence in

determining where research grant money goes?



Think of drug companies as oil companies who buy patents and designs

for cars which require no fuel, then leave those on the shelf,

unknown, and undeveloped.  Their reason for this is too obvious to

elaborate here.



The same holds true for science, or more accurately, their brand or

interpretation of science.  Science, like religion or politics, can

become just as institutionalized and stratified as anything else.



If a report says that the majority of herbal remedies were not

scientifically proven to have real benefits, we should consider it

carefully.  By the same token, we should ask what scientific

assumptions lie behind such an assertion.  We may find, after

examination, the statement to be correct.  Based on my experience,

however, I suspect we will find that the "science" used was a

scientific denomination, rather than a scientific absolute.







>In article <326C8311.10FC@awinc.com> wolf <wschmidt@awinc.com> writes:

>

>>"Doctor issues health warning over herbal cures"

>>This was a headline in the Vancouver Sun, British Columbia, Canada.

>>The article talks about a health conference attended by doctors,

>>nutritionists and dietitians, sponsored by the BC Medical Assoc.

>>Dr. Morley Sutter, a University of BC pharmacologist stated that he had

>>reviewed 4,000 studies on herbal medicines and found that just 100

>>followed standard scientific procedure. Of these, only a fraction showed

>>the remedies had therapeutic value.

>>He said herbal medicines should face more scientific testing of their

>>effectiveness. Labelling laws also need to be toughened so that

>>companies are forced to list the chemicals contained in their herbal

>>products.

>>

>>I wonder who paid for Dr. Sutter's research ??????

>>

>>Hmmm, maybe I have the answer too.

>

>Maybe.  But I doubt it.  You seem pretty clueless so far.

>

>In case nobody ever told you, just because someone comes to a

>conclusion that you don't like doesn't mean he was paid off.

>

>You haven't provided any reason why anyone should believe you.  You

>didn't show the research was flawed.  You just decided to skirt

>libelling the guy who did the research.  I'm so impressed.

>

>Furthermore, what the hell is your problem with this report?  The

>report said most of the studies of herbal preps weren't very good,

>which isn't particularly improbable.

>

>He also said that many of the studies didn't show that the herbal

>products had value.  OK, I can see where you wouldn't like that, but

>who cares?

>

>Finally, you got some sort of objection to having the ingredients

>listed?  If so, why?  You got something to hide?

>

>  -- David Wright :: wright@hi.com :: Not an Official Spokesman for Anyone

>     These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.

>     "The difference between a printing press and a modern digital long-

>      distance network is that the press produces money much more slowly."

>                                    -- Neil Kirby, Lucent Technologies







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: NORCAL herb show

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 02:53:42 GMT



Does anyone know where this is?  It is in Sonoma County, Calif, but

that is all I know. I don't know if it is called a conference, show,

or what...but I would love to go this weekend if someone could tell me

where it is!



Thanks...



J







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Making ear candles?

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 03:05:38 GMT



jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz) spoke with these words:



>Susan Dirani (aa228@chebucto.ns.ca) wrote:

>: Hi there,

>: 

>: Please forgive my lurking on your newsgroup but I am a librarian and I'm 

>: trying to find some information  for a library patron.  She is interested 

>: in making her own ear candles (aka ear cones).  I've found lots of info 

>: on commercially available ear candles but nothing on making your own.

>: 

>I too would like info on this--those things are overpriced.  Thanks! --Judy



This is a wiold guess....ok? In closely looking at mine in the

drawer..I would say to get some thin muslin...dip it in wax (Parafin),

( I DO know how to spell, but not on Friday nites!) and wrap it around

a cylindrical object...how about making a cone out of.....lemme

think... paper mache????how about a dowel? how about finding someone

who has a lathe and asking to have one made? (hey, good idea! I think

I'll DO just that!)



off for now..



J







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Making ear candles?

From: pdsd@ultranet.ca

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 10:58:53 -0800



Jacob's Well wrote:

> 

> jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz) spoke with these words:

> 

> >Susan Dirani (aa228@chebucto.ns.ca) wrote:

> >: Hi there,

> >:

> >: Please forgive my lurking on your newsgroup but I am a librarian and I'm

> >: trying to find some information  for a library patron.  She is interested

> >: in making her own ear candles (aka ear cones).  I've found lots of info

> >: on commercially available ear candles but nothing on making your own.

> >:

> >I too would like info on this--those things are overpriced.  Thanks! --Judy

> 

> This is a wiold guess....ok? In closely looking at mine in the

> drawer..I would say to get some thin muslin...dip it in wax (Parafin),

> ( I DO know how to spell, but not on Friday nites!) and wrap it around

> a cylindrical object...how about making a cone out of.....lemme

> think... paper mache????how about a dowel? how about finding someone

> who has a lathe and asking to have one made? (hey, good idea! I think

> I'll DO just that!)

> 

> off for now..

> 

> J





	How about using the tube part of a turkey baster for your shape? And

the woman who tried to sell them to me said it is important to use

beeswax rather than parafin.  Have fun!   Sherri





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Making ear candles?

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 19:29:10 GMT



pdsd@ultranet.ca spoke with these words:



>Jacob's Well wrote:

>> 

>	How about using the tube part of a turkey baster for your shape? And

>the woman who tried to sell them to me said it is important to use

>beeswax rather than parafin.  Have fun!   Sherri



I think I heard that also Sherri.  ALthough I have used both kinds of

waxes when candling.  and find the results the same..YMMV







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sheep Sorrel in Europe

From: lindenblsm@aol.com (LindenBlsm)

Date: 1 Nov 1996 22:12:34 -0500



There are two other teas that have sheep sorrel as an ingredient.  Essiac

and Caisse's Herbal Tea both products of Canada.



Maybe you can find one of these.



Good luck,



Kim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MEDICAL MARIJUANA: The Facts

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 03:20:07 GMT



igoddard@erols.com (Ian Goddard) spoke with these words:



>In a few days, on Nov. 5th, California voters will vote 

>on PROPOSITION 215. Prop 215 will end criminal penalties for 

>the medical use of marijuana. Send this to your friends in Calif:



But not everyone will be voting against it.  I will be voting for it.

They make booze legal, and I think IT kills more people than people

high on pot.  *that is an argument given me by a friend*.  I, as a

general rule, hate drugs...including pot.  But, there are many ppl

helped by pot...much more so than are helped by whiskey.  

Wine is sometimes good for the stomach as Paul told Timothy.

Pot would also be beneficial for some.



The people who WANT to smoke pot, do, can, have.  There is no problem

in getting it, for those who have the connections.



This next statement is from someone who was against pot for YEARS.



Legalize it.  The government will surely get their taxes..so what are

they worried about?



J

P.S. I took out all the cross posts...







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Neck Hurting

From: mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:36:14 -0700





               email: mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu



> On Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:38:01 GMT, Afer Ventus <afer@usa.net> wrote:

> 

> >I have neck problems and get migraines from it, does anyone know the best   

> >herb to use for this? and how to apply it to my system?

> >

> >"Afer Ventus" 

> >   

	All the previous suggestions have been worth exploring BUT - have you 

consulted a GOOD chiropractor?  Good is the operative word.  Ask around 

and get some recommendations.  You may be amazed to find out what good 

adjustments can do.  If the condition is so persistent as to cause 

chronic problems including migraine, it may take a course of treatment, 

not just one adjustment.  Adjustments don't always hold immediately when 

the muscles, tendons, etc. have been used to supporting an out of 

alignment position.  But believe me, if that is your problem you will get

relief.  I have. 

                    Jane





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Animal Herbal cures?

From: "Laura L. Bearskin" <LLBear@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 22:36:26 -0800



There is (or was) an American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association

(AHVMA) that holds (or held) yearly conferences according to HerbalGram

No.11 - Winter 1987 issue. One doctor listed in the article was Mark P.

Haverkos, DVM, who was employed by the Hopi Tribal Council in Plocca,

Arizona. Also mentioned were Deva Kaur Kelsa, DVM, of Yardley,

Pennsylvania and V. J. Keating, DVM, of Sandy, Oregon. An earlier issue

did a piece about Dr. Michele Tilghman in the Dallas, Texas area. All

ues herbal and other methods with their animal patients. Possibly a

search for the AHVMA might help you track them down. Maybe directory

assistance? Hope this is helpful!

Laura





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: indoor herbs stunted growth

From: red711@optimum.com (rebecca Bryant)

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 11:16:13 +0100



In article <ramiller-2610962234080001@ts2port10.port.net>,

ramiller@interport.net (Robert  A. Miller) wrote:



> I am a complete novice at growing herbs.

> 

> I planted basil and spearmint in a pot of organic soil about two months

> ago.  They sprouted quickly enough, but  now are still quite small(about

> 2to3 inches) and have only a few leaves.  I water 2 or 3 times per week,

> and sometimes mist them with a water/liquid kelp solution.  They get ample

> indirect sunlight.

> 

> I prefer to grow them with organic methods, so don't want to use chemical

> fertilizers, etc.  Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

> 

Hello Robert,



You won't have the lush growth on your plants they they might have

outdoors, so expect this to begin with. If you are in a cold region, and

you are growing your herbs in a heated house, it will help to give them

more humidity. Place a long tray, like the kind used for windowboxes, on

your shelf, and  fill it with pebbles, and pour in enough water to cover.

Then put your pots on the tray on top of the pebbles, and this ambient

moisture will help their growth.



Herbs don't seem to grow as well with filtered sunlight either. Most

prefer full sun, so it helps greatly if you get a growlight in addition to

your indirect sunlight. The light needs to be placed about 2 inches above

the tops of the plants. Just raise the light as they grow.



You also need to watch for spider mites when growing indoors in the

winter. Check the undersides of the leaves often, looking for small specks

gathering at the ribs of the leaves. Also look for minute webbing between

the leaves. A good spray of water from the sink will dislodge the buggers

if you catch them in the beginning.



Congrats on trying to grow organically. I have been an organic gardener

for several years, and have not needed to resort to chemicals at all. And

the Earth is a better place for it.



Write me with any other questions. 



rebecca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: indoor herbs stunted growth

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:14:01 +0000



In article <red711-0211961116130001@hcb545.optimum.net>, rebecca Bryant

<red711@optimum.com> writes

>In article <ramiller-2610962234080001@ts2port10.port.net>,

>ramiller@interport.net (Robert  A. Miller) wrote:





>The herbs you mention need direct sunlight, not filtered, are you

growing them in a kitchen and using a gas oven this often effects any

plant badly.

>> I am a complete novice at growing herbs.

>> 

>> I planted basil and spearmint in a pot of organic soil about two months

>> ago.  They sprouted quickly enough, but  now are still quite small(about

>> 2to3 inches) and have only a few leaves.  I water 2 or 3 times per week,

>> and sometimes mist them with a water/liquid kelp solution.  They get ample

>> indirect sunlight.

>> 

>> I prefer to grow them with organic methods, so don't want to use chemical

>> fertilizers, etc.  Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

>> 

>Hello Robert,

>

>You won't have the lush growth on your plants they they might have

>outdoors, so expect this to begin with. If you are in a cold region, and

>you are growing your herbs in a heated house, it will help to give them

>more humidity. Place a long tray, like the kind used for windowboxes, on

>your shelf, and  fill it with pebbles, and pour in enough water to cover.

>Then put your pots on the tray on top of the pebbles, and this ambient

>moisture will help their growth.

>

>Herbs don't seem to grow as well with filtered sunlight either. Most

>prefer full sun, so it helps greatly if you get a growlight in addition to

>your indirect sunlight. The light needs to be placed about 2 inches above

>the tops of the plants. Just raise the light as they grow.

>

>You also need to watch for spider mites when growing indoors in the

>winter. Check the undersides of the leaves often, looking for small specks

>gathering at the ribs of the leaves. Also look for minute webbing between

>the leaves. A good spray of water from the sink will dislodge the buggers

>if you catch them in the beginning.

>

>Congrats on trying to grow organically. I have been an organic gardener

>for several years, and have not needed to resort to chemicals at all. And

>the Earth is a better place for it.

>

>Write me with any other questions. 

>

>rebecca



-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Diabetes Help?

From: Michael Redman <mredman@bvoice.com>

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 16:28:46 +0000



Although I know that there is no herbal _cure_ for diabetes...



Are there recommendations for herbal helps for symptoms or glucose

control? Information sources would also be helpful. It's difficult to

sort out the facts from the folklore.



--Michael





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Diabetes Help?

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 96 02:28:43 GMT



In article <327B76AF.369F@bvoice.com>,

   Michael Redman <mredman@bvoice.com> wrote:

>Although I know that there is no herbal _cure_ for diabetes...

>

>Are there recommendations for herbal helps for symptoms or glucose

>control? Information sources would also be helpful. It's difficult to

>sort out the facts from the folklore.

>

>--Michael





Michael,

  You might check out Stevia herb.There are several companies that sell this 

herb,I don't have addresses but maybe if you post to this group someone will.

Barbara 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: mredman@bvoice.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Diabetes Help?

From: "Laura L. Bearskin" <LLBear@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 22:07:41 -0800



Is this typeI or typeII diabetes? Have several suggestions for lowering

blood glucose levels for typeII. As long as you do not have high blood

pressure......Chia seeds in water with a touch of fresh lemon as a

beverage. "Food Pharmacy" - beans, okra, milkweed buds (Asclepias

Syriaca and buds only) these are all mucilaginous foods that will help

soak up sugar in your bloodstream, high fiber foods such as squash, raw

veggies. Quit drinking caffeinated coffee, soda. I found that the kick

it gives the adrenals also causes glucose rise...maybe causing your

liver to kick out extra glucose to handle the adrenaline rush? Someone

else may have more info on this. All I know is that quitting caffeine

helps. Eat bread only when you can exercise your sugar back down.

Processed flour has too little fiber and will turn to sugar in your

bloodstream in a matter of minutes. We've used brown rice and "wild"

rice for starch and fiber with no highs reflected in Bgl. Also eat half

a fruit, not the whole thing until your sugar's under control. Avoid

raisins...too sweet and full of pesticides. The last thing you need is

more endocrine disruptors in  your system. Eat one half orange or less.

TOO sweet! Stay away from sugarfree gum.... the sweetener used is almost

always a sugar alcohol that enters your blood stream faster than regular

sugar. Cut back on meat and dairy!!! Too greasy and chock full of more

endocrine disruptors due to their high pesticide and hormone content.

There are plenty of herbs for type II diabetes but it's pointless to use

them unless you eat right and walk as much as possible or otherwise

exercise. Native Seeds/SEARCH in Tucson, Arizona has an

ethnopharmacological booklet that they've published....also recipes,

medical abstracts, etc. Hope this helps. Email me if you want more info.

Sincerely,

Laura





==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vitamin D toxic build up?

From: "Bill Schoenbart" <plantmed@cruzio.com>

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 17:38:18 GMT



All the fat-soluble vitamins (A,D,E,K) can cause toxicity if taken in

excess.



Naganadi <naganadi@aol.com> wrote in article

<5537f1$fkl@newsbf02.news.aol.com>...

> Anyone heard of if Vitamin D builds up in your system leading to health

> problems?

> 

> 

> Curious,

> 

> David

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help! "Man" shaped root/NOT ginseng

From: stachys@mail.zynet.co.uk (Michael G)

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 18:05:10 GMT



Traditionally the "man-shaped root" was mandragora.



 -- 



Michael G

Gloucestershire

England





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE Cure of All Cancers and Treatment regime.

From: George Meno <geormeno@mail.snet.net>

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 10:13:42 -0800



I'm using Hulda Clark's "Cure of All Cancer" regime for a Bladder Ca, 

which was cured. I'm into my second year of maintenace. What can I do to 

get myintestinal tract back to normal? I feel as if I'm having subliminal 

cramps and they vary from day to night. Also, how long does one have to 

stay on maintenance? Her book is not too clear on this.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Freezing Fresh Herbs?

From: linda@net-magic.net (Linda)

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 19:19:13 GMT



I would like to know if you can freeze fresh herbs? They sell alot of

fresh herbs in the market but it usually too much for me to use. How

long will they last if this is possible?

Thanks,

Linda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Freezing Fresh Herbs?

From: strflwr@usit.net

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 10:52:20 GMT



linda@net-magic.net (Linda) wrote:



>I would like to know if you can freeze fresh herbs? They sell alot of

>fresh herbs in the market but it usually too much for me to use. How

>long will they last if this is possible?

>Thanks,

>Linda



Sure.  Many can be frozen.  Question is, how fresh are they?  Most

things need to be really fresh to freeze well.



You can chop them in a blender or food processor and freeze in water,

in ice cube tray.  Or in oil, same way.  I once froze some basil

leaves, whole, raw, just spread out on a cookie sheet.  Tosses them

into a plastic container when frozen.  Forgot about them.  A couple of

years later they still tasted like basil to me, and looked fine, not

even freezer burned.  Some things freeze better than others.  Some get

stronger, some weaker, some more bitter, some stay the same.

Experiment.  Anything ought to keep for six months at 0F.  If it looks

& smells strange, don't eat it!  If it looks and smells OK, its OK.

-------Jo  









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bringing Rosemary indoors

From: ferrondd@aol.com (FerrondD)

Date: 2 Nov 1996 14:48:12 -0500



Each year I bring my Rosemary plants indoors. I have tried planting them

but they don't last through the winter. The plants I bring indoors get a

white powder on them after a few months.  Only once has a plant lasted

until spring.  They are in clay pots.  Can anyone tell me what the powdery

stuff is and how I can prevent it from turning up on my plants this year

(or what to do after it settles on the plants)?  I've tried washing it off

but that doesn't seem to stop it from returning.  Thanks.  



Donna



He who binds to himself a joy/Does the winged life destroy/But he who

kisses the joy as it flies/Lives in eternity's sun rise/  William Blake





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bringing Rosemary indoors

From: kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 17:57:32 GMT



In article <55g8hs$c11@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ferrondd@aol.com (FerrondD) writes:

>Each year I bring my Rosemary plants indoors. I have tried planting them

>but they don't last through the winter. The plants I bring indoors get a

>white powder on them after a few months.  Only once has a plant lasted

>until spring.  They are in clay pots.  Can anyone tell me what the powdery

>stuff is and how I can prevent it from turning up on my plants this year

>(or what to do after it settles on the plants)?  I've tried washing it off

>but that doesn't seem to stop it from returning.  Thanks.  



Thats called powdery mildew if I do remember correctly. I had the same problem

with a rosemary plant. You can make an anti-fungal spray for it by adding a 

teaspoon of baking soda to a litre of water. Put that in a spray bottle, shake

well, and thouroughly spray the plant. This does not fully kill the 

mildew, but it'll keep it at bay for a while, and when it comes back, you can

just spray it again! Before you spray, cut any extremely damaged parts off

of the plant, and wipe the rest of the mildew off as best you can.



Good Luck!

Kellie

kbonnici@trentu.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bringing Rosemary indoors

From: Kate <khaki@netins.net>

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 20:50:59 -0600



kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca wrote:

> 

> In article <55g8hs$c11@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ferrondd@aol.com (FerrondD) writes:

> >Each year I bring my Rosemary plants indoors. I have tried planting them

> >but they don't last through the winter. The plants I bring indoors get a

> >white powder on them after a few months.  Only once has a plant lasted

> >until spring.  They are in clay pots.  Can anyone tell me what the powdery

> >stuff is and how I can prevent it from turning up on my plants this year

> >(or what to do after it settles on the plants)?  I've tried washing it off

> >but that doesn't seem to stop it from returning.  Thanks.

> 

> Thats called powdery mildew if I do remember correctly. I had the same problem

> with a rosemary plant. You can make an anti-fungal spray for it by adding a

> teaspoon of baking soda to a litre of water. Put that in a spray bottle, shake

> well, and thouroughly spray the plant. This does not fully kill the

> mildew, but it'll keep it at bay for a while, and when it comes back, you can

> just spray it again! Before you spray, cut any extremely damaged parts off

> of the plant, and wipe the rest of the mildew off as best you can.

> 

> Good Luck!

> Kellie

> kbonnici@trentu.ca



I concur, most probably powdery mildew.  This tends to appear on some

plants when there is less sunlight, temperatures are cooler and there is

dampness.  You can try putting it in a sunnier, warmer place.  The

dampness is a more difficult problem.  It has been my experience that

Rosemary hates to be dry.  If it even thinks its dry it is difficult if

not impossible to "save".  It needs a moist, well drained soil.  We grow

them year round in the greenhouses where they do well but moving them

into a household is a little touchier.



-- 

--;`. '   `.'          Kate     khaki@netins.net

   / (  ^__^  )        

  ;   `(_`'_)' \       The good thing about holding a long smouldering

  '  ` .`--'_,  ;      grudge is that it keeps your memory sharp....

~~`-..._)))(((.'       even if the smoke gets in your eyes.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bringing Rosemary indoors

From: strflwr@usit.net

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 11:04:28 GMT



Kate <khaki@netins.net> wrote:



>kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca wrote:

>> 

>> In article <55g8hs$c11@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ferrondd@aol.com (FerrondD) writes:

>> >Each year I bring my Rosemary plants indoors. I have tried planting them

>> >but they don't last through the winter. The plants I bring indoors get a

>> >white powder on them after a few months.  Only once has a plant lasted

>> >until spring.  They are in clay pots.  Can anyone tell me what the powdery

>> >stuff is and how I can prevent it from turning up on my plants this year

>> >(or what to do after it settles on the plants)?  I've tried washing it off

>> >but that doesn't seem to stop it from returning.  Thanks.

>> 

>> Thats called powdery mildew if I do remember correctly. I had the same problem

>> with a rosemary plant. You can make an anti-fungal spray for it by adding a

>> teaspoon of baking soda to a litre of water. Put that in a spray bottle, shake

>> well, and thouroughly spray the plant. This does not fully kill the

>> mildew, but it'll keep it at bay for a while, and when it comes back, you can

>> just spray it again! Before you spray, cut any extremely damaged parts off

>> of the plant, and wipe the rest of the mildew off as best you can.

>> 

>> Good Luck!

>> Kellie

>> kbonnici@trentu.ca



>I concur, most probably powdery mildew.  This tends to appear on some

>plants when there is less sunlight, temperatures are cooler and there is

>dampness.  You can try putting it in a sunnier, warmer place.  The

>dampness is a more difficult problem.  It has been my experience that

>Rosemary hates to be dry.  If it even thinks its dry it is difficult if

>not impossible to "save".  It needs a moist, well drained soil.  We grow

>them year round in the greenhouses where they do well but moving them

>into a household is a little touchier.



>-- 

>--;`. '   `.'          Kate     khaki@netins.net

>   / (  ^__^  )        

>  ;   `(_`'_)' \       The good thing about holding a long smouldering

>  '  ` .`--'_,  ;      grudge is that it keeps your memory sharp....

>~~`-..._)))(((.'       even if the smoke gets in your eyes.



Don't know for sure about Rosemary, but have had powdery mildew on

various plants outside.  It seems logical that it would be caused by

excess humidity, but it isn't.  Plants are more likely to get it in

dry hot weather.  Houses often have dry air in the winter.  If you

have two plants, try giving at least one of them more humidity if

possible.  (Do you have a sunny bathroom window?)  Also, many

different plants survive winters in houses better if they are pruned

rather severely when brought in or shortly therafter.  If you live

where it is occasionally warm enough, you gan move your tender plants

outside for a few good hours of sun sometimes during the winter.  Give

them a "vacation" from their housebound existance.       -------Jo  









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bringing Rosemary indoors

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:27:54 +0000



In article <55g8hs$c11@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, FerrondD

<ferrondd@aol.com> writes

>Each year I bring my Rosemary plants indoors. I have tried planting them

>but they don't last through the winter. The plants I bring indoors get a

>white powder on them after a few months.  Only once has a plant lasted

>until spring.  They are in clay pots.  Can anyone tell me what the powdery

>stuff is and how I can prevent it from turning up on my plants this year

>(or what to do after it settles on the plants)?  I've tried washing it off

>but that doesn't seem to stop it from returning.  Thanks.  

>

>Donna

>

>He who binds to himself a joy/Does the winged life destroy/But he who

>kisses the joy as it flies/Lives in eternity's sun rise/  William Blake



It is probably a mould, Rosemary likes a hot dry condition, and possibly

your kitchen is to damp for it, move it to a dry room in the house and

dont overwater it durning the winter months, this can  also cause mould.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St.John'sWort doses

From: "Andrea " <aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us>

Date: 2 Nov 1996 19:58:34 GMT



Please forgive this repeat question. I know there was a recent discussion

on doses of SJW for depression. I've lost the reply. Could someone give it

again, please?

Thanks

Andrea





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Silymarin (Milk Thistle)

From: Schneider <roberts@sonic.net>

Date: 3 Nov 1996 00:27:37 GMT



How much should you take of 80% Silymarin (120 mg caps) daily for liver 

health?  Should you take capsules with food?  Thanks!  SS









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Silymarin (Milk Thistle)

From: david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com

Date: 7 Nov 1996 05:32:10 GMT



In <55gotp$vrg@ultra.sonic.net>, Schneider <roberts@sonic.net> writes:

>How much should you take of 80% Silymarin (120 mg caps) daily for liver 

>health?  Should you take capsules with food?  Thanks!  SS



Buy milk thistle in ground up seed form.  Much cheaper this way.  We used to 

grind up the seeds in a coffee grinder.  You can buy it already ground.  We 

pay $19 a lb.  We take 2 to 3 table spoons a day each.  Empty stomach 

with some juice seems to give best benefits.



david







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Silymarin (Milk Thistle)

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:36:42 GMT



david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com wrote:



>In <55gotp$vrg@ultra.sonic.net>, Schneider <roberts@sonic.net> writes:

>>How much should you take of 80% Silymarin (120 mg caps) daily for liver 

>>health?  Should you take capsules with food?  Thanks!  SS



>Buy milk thistle in ground up seed form.  Much cheaper this way.



But silymarin is a 50:1 extract of the seeds, and it might be

difficult to consume this much.  Three tablespoons of the seeds is

equivalent to one extracted capsule.  If you can eat the seeds,

though, great.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Tea

From: paul <paulb@netcom.ca>

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 00:13:50 -0500



Hello all!!!!



I was wondering if anyone had any pleasant blends of herbs for teas.  I

would just like some nice recipes to sit and sip.



Thanks in advance.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Tea

From: mika <mika@scsn.net>

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 11:30:42 -0500



paul wrote:

> 

> Hello all!!!!

> 

> I was wondering if anyone had any pleasant blends of herbs for teas.  I

> would just like some nice recipes to sit and sip.

> 

> Thanks in advance.





Peace Paul,



Here are a few of my favorite blends. I get them already made at a

health food store, made by a company called UniTeaHerbs, or blend

variations of my own using some are all of the ingredients.  For

relaxation a blend of oatstraw,chamomile, lemon balm, peppermint,

skulcap, cinnamon, catnip, passion flowers, kava kava, lavender and

nutmeg.



For calming the stomach papaya leaves, peppermint, fennel seeds,

cinnamon, ginger, orange peel, alfalfa, and coriander.



My favorite simple teas are just plain chamomile or ginger.  I also use

a tea made from a tonic for I make by blending  skullcap, boneset,

yarrow and psyllium, which I use for backaches and works for headaches

also.  You can find the recipe in Jude's Herbal Home Remedies.



I hope this is helpful and Enjoy,

-- 

mikamom

http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/2732



-----------------------------------------------

"When the student is ready, the teacher appears"

-- 

mikamom

http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/2732



-----------------------------------------------

"When the student is ready, the teacher appears"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Tea

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 04:51:04 GMT



In article <327C2A0E.4C5B@netcom.ca>, paul <paulb@netcom.ca> wrote:

>Hello all!!!!

>

>I was wondering if anyone had any pleasant blends of herbs for teas.  I

>would just like some nice recipes to sit and sip.

>

>Thanks in advance.





Equal parts of sage,thyme,marjoram,oregano and chamomile is nice and it will 



help you fall asleep too.



Also:

5 oz dried red rosebuds,2 oz dried balm,1oz dried rosemary.



Also mix in equal parts:balm leaves,rosemary,lavender,spearmint,and 

cloves.Personally i like a little less cloves but it's up to you.

Enjoy!

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Tea

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:29:53 +0000



In article <327C2A0E.4C5B@netcom.ca>, paul <paulb@netcom.ca> writes

>Hello all!!!!

>

>I was wondering if anyone had any pleasant blends of herbs for teas.  I

>would just like some nice recipes to sit and sip.

>

>Thanks in advance.



Mango tea is my favourite, but orange and mint is lovely to, and

Calomine and honey is a family favourite.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hula Herbs Liver Cleanse Plan

From: mbreault@ozemail.com.au (Marc Breault)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 06:17:25 GMT



I have read Hulda Cleark's Liver cleanse plan in her book "The Cure

For All Diseases."  Sounds interesting.  I have had my gall bladder

removed, however, and have read conflicting reports as to whether a

liver cleanse is a good idea for people who have had this procedure

done.  I'm no expert in this field, so any comments or suggestions

would be appreciated.  Thanks.



Marc Breault







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: gingko biloba and ginseng

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 06:24:23 GMT



Suraj Raghavan <suraj@radonc.unc.edu> wrote:



>I have been taking 240mg of gingko daily for the past month. Recently, I

>read that ginseng can help in boosting energy levels and aid in

>concentration. I was wondering if there would be any adverse effects if

>i took the two together. Any information would be appreciated.



No adverse effects, it is even recommended in one formulary book

I have to compound the two with gotu kola for best effect.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chamomile, how to harvest.

From: dilley <dilley@pacbell.net>

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 22:45:58 -0800



strflwr@usit.net wrote:

 

> Don't know that anyone has ever OD'ed on Chamomile.  Use about 1 tsp

> dried or 2-4 tsp fresh.  Whatever is tasty.

> 

> Pick while petals are white.  I never counted days, just went out and

> grabbed flower heads.  If you want to pick off the petals, I guess you

> could.  Most people do well enough to get the stems all off!  It takes

> a lot of chamomile to make even a pound of it dried.       -------Jo



Will give it a try next season. All my plants are long dead for this

year.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MAKING alcohol-based Benzoin Tincture

From: zoron@teleport.com (Douglas Wiggins)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 07:44:55 GMT



>   If you use 95% alcohol, treat it very carefully.  It is a 

>   deadly poison.  Use proper ventilation, and keep it locked

>   up, especially if there are young people around.  Inform 

>   everyone that if they drink it, they could slip into a coma,

>   die, or, if they survive might lose their eyesight.



Actually, this is not true. 95% alcohol is only slightly more deadly

or poisonous than vodka. 100% alcohol will burn the tissues of the

throat if drunk straight and in quantity, but people have survived

this - and there are stories of people who have done it with some

regularity, just to prove something (the nitwits), as well as stories

of people who guzzled too much plain beer or other mild alcohol and

died (a guy a couple of years ahead of me in high school did that - he

started downing beers, one after another, and died before he finished

a six-pack - and it was not an "urban legend", either - my civics

teacher made the announcement), but that is not normal or to be

expected. Certainly people could slip into a coma if they drink _too

much_ alcohol, on the order of fifteen or more drinks of hard liquor

or more than fifteen beers (that is, if my memory serves that a blood

alcohol of 0.3 is about the right amount to cause danger and that it

goes up by 0.2 percent per drink and that it takes two hours to

metabolize one drink - I am sure these figures are heavily rounded) -

this amount would have to be drunk all at once to cause a serious

problem.



However, no matter how drunk people get, even to the extent of being

"blind drunk", they will _NOT_ loose their eyesight! Even isopropyl

alcohol, which is much more toxic, will not cost people their eyesight

- "wood" alcohol (methanol, a single-carbon alcohol derived from the

destructive distillation of wood) is the alcohol which will destroy

eyesight (isopropanol _can_ cause organ or gastric damage, though.)

Certainly alcohol should be kept out of the reach of children and

pets, as should anything even containing alcohol, but, even more

importantly, children should be educated by a professional concerning

the dangers of alcohol (at least, they should be educated by someone

with a better head on their shoulders than my own parents - most of my

current problems in life are based in the erroneous and purposely

falsified information I was fed as a child ["if you look at the sun,

you'll go blind" resulted in my having a burn across my retina from

staring at the sun, since, once Earl Smith proved that it would not

cause blindness by thus staring, I felt it important to find out what

really did happen, and nobody had told me that it would cause any

other kind of damage].) Ethyl alcohol (drinking alcohol) is extremely

poisonous to cats, resulting in organ damage, so it is especially

appropriate to keep it away from cats.



In case it helps to keep them straight: methanol is wood alcohol, with

just one carbon atom; ethanol is grain alcohol (made from any kind of

starch or sugar by fermentation, or chemically synthesized), and has

two carbons in the chain. Besides carbon, there are only hydrogens

attached except for one OH (oxygen hydrogen, or "hydroxyl" group). In

fact, if this group were _not_ present, the molecule would be a gas -

methane, ethane and propane correspond to the alcohol with a similar

name. In the case of propane, the hydroxyl group can be attached in

two different places - with the hydroxyl attached to the end carbon,

it is called "propanol", but if attached to the center carbon, it is

"isopropanol", or isopropyl alcohol (sometimes known as rubbing

alcohol, if it is in a 70% solution with water - 70% is required for

maximum germicidal action.) When the OH group is attached to the

center carbon, the molecule is called an "isomer", which is why it is

"iso"-propyl (-duh.)



I was going to explain how the solvent nature of these alcohols  is

affected by the different molecular configurations, but most people

would probably rather see an end to this message.



Good luck.



-douglas



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sagebrush

From: wolf <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 01:26:38 -0800



Jacob's Well wrote:

> 

> HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress) spoke with these words:

> 

> >On 29 Oct 1996 15:08:49 -0500, in alt.folklore.herbs canaltwo@aol.com (Canaltwo)

> >wrote:

> 

> >>Can anyone compare and contrast sage, "the herb" as opposed to sage, "as

> >>in sagebrush which grows out west"?  Scientific name and medicinal uses

> >>appreciated.  Are they the same?  I know that sage (brush) was used as an

> >>herbal smoking mixture by the Native Americans.

> 

> >Sage 'the culinary herb' is Salvia officinalis, or possibly other species (still

> >in the genus Salvia) with similar taste. Medicinal uses ... endless. Check any

> >good herbal.

> 

> >Sagebrush is Artemisia sp., NOT culinary, but does have medicinal uses, which

> >also are found in any good herbal.

> 

> Fantastic! Now I know why that stuff in the mtns smells like sage..but

> isn't...! <g>

> 

> >Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland





Just in case you didn't know: The Indians in our area bundle a few

sagebrush twigs and hang them in their teepee. It will keep bad spirits

away - so they say ;)



Wolfgang

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: et7@open.ac.uk

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 15:27:13 GMT



Has anyone come across the use of this mushroom? I've read that it is

used in Germany for depression and helping  immune-deficiency. Is it

used in the States? It is very hard to find in UK. 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: skater@thunderboard.con (skater)

Date: 3 Nov 1996 07:55:01 -0700

--------

et7@open.ac.uk wrote:



>Has anyone come across the use of this mushroom? I've read that it is

>used in Germany for depression and helping  immune-deficiency. Is it

>used in the States? It is very hard to find in UK. 

  It would definitely help your depression.  It's quite deadly.

Dead people don't complain about depression.





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS)

Date: 4 Nov 1996 11:19:14 -0500



In article <55ibo5$55r@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, skater@thunderboard.con

(skater) writes:



>>Has anyone come across the use of this mushroom? I've read that it is

>>used in Germany for depression and helping  immune-deficiency. Is it

>>used in the States? It is very hard to find in UK. 

>  It would definitely help your depression.  It's quite deadly.

>Dead people don't complain about depression.

>



When I was heavy into parapsycholgy I read that the Egyptians used to dry

the mushroom and salt it "heavily" then lick it to bring on astral

projections and help tell the future. I don't think I would recommend it

to anyone without guidance and careful watching.  I understand though that

Milk Thistle is used in the treatment of the death cap (amanita

phalloides) mushroom poisoning - perhaps not the same mushroom but

poisonous too. Astral projections can be pretty scary if you don't have a

little knowledge of them and what they can do (or what you can do). If I

recollect correctly the amanita muscaria can only be found under / in

groves of Oak trees - has something to do with a special substance the

roots of the trees put into the ground.... but not really sure. 

Sandy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 23:11:33 -0500



In article <55ibo5$55r@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, skater@thunderboard.con

(skater) writes:



>et7@open.ac.uk wrote:

>

>>Has anyone come across the use of this mushroom? I've read that it is

>>used in Germany for depression and helping  immune-deficiency. Is it

>>used in the States? It is very hard to find in UK. 

>  It would definitely help your depression.  It's quite deadly.

>Dead people don't complain about depression.

>

>

>Callie



Amanita Muscaria is not deadly.  In fact, one of its principle

ingredients, muscimol, is a very powerful, intoxicating psychedelic

compound.  This mushroom is used by some for spiritual purposes and by

others just to get "messed up", but it's certainly not something that

would be immediately useful for depression or immune deficiency.



David





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 7 Nov 1996 04:55:01 -0700



davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1) wrote:





>(skater) writes:

>>et7@open.ac.uk wrote:



>>>Has anyone come across the use of this mushroom? I've read that it is

>>>used in Germany for depression and helping  immune-deficiency. 

>>  It would definitely help your depression.  It's quite deadly.

>>Dead people don't complain about depression.



>Amanita Muscaria is not deadly.  

  There are several sub-species and related species, the

differing cap colors often causing the hapless gatherer to

mistake a toxic variety for one they safely ate last year.

The pacific northwest has at least one that is very toxic,

Amanita pantherina (easily confused with A muscaria, and some

mycologists think they are merely local variations of the same

species)



>In fact, one of its principle

>ingredients, muscimol, is a very powerful, intoxicating psychedelic

>compound.  This mushroom is used by some for spiritual purposes and by

>others just to get "messed up",

  You'd be messed up all right, and unless you are healthy as a

horse, in bad shape or dead.  Amanita muscaria poisined 1500+

people in Berlin (1946) when they tried supplementing the scarce

food with wild-crafting.  It's not as deadly as Amanita

phalloides (death angel) only because it doesn't attack the liver

as intensely.



*  Choline and muscarine ... cause a fall in blood pressure,

slowed pulse, profuse water loss from sweat and diahrrhea.

* Ibotine and muscimol cause dizziness, convulsions, delusions,

violent headaches, muscle cramps, and coma.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: davepsych1@aol.com

Date: 8 Nov 1996 02:52:54 GMT



>>In fact, one of its principle

>>ingredients, muscimol, is a very powerful, intoxicating psychedelic

>>compound.  This mushroom is used by some for spiritual purposes and by

>>others just to get "messed up",

>  You'd be messed up all right, and unless you are healthy as a

>horse, in bad shape or dead.  Amanita muscaria poisined 1500+

>people in Berlin (1946) when they tried supplementing the scarce

>food with wild-crafting.  It's not as deadly as Amanita

>phalloides (death angel) only because it doesn't attack the liver

>as intensely.



There are only two deaths on record as a result of Amanita ingestion in

the United States, even though there have been thousands of "poisonings"

as you call them.  "The inevitable recovery of the unfortunate victim is

usually ascribed to the wonders of modern medicine." (Ott, 1993)



"Writing in the Journal of the American Medical Association, a noted

authority on mushroom poisoning, Dr. Robert W. Buck stated (Buck, 1963):



    "Deaths following the ingestion of Amanita muscaria have not been

documented sufficiently to permit the conclusion that this is a lethal

mushroom when ingested by healthy persons.  In two cases of ingestion of

considerable quantities of both raw and cooked mushrooms, the patients

experienced some discomfort but recovered quickly and completely." (Ott,

1993)



Amanita muscaria was used for centuries as an intoxicant by certain

peoples native to Siberia.  In fact, Gordon Wasson and his wife even wrote

a book about it called Mushrooms, Russia, and history.



>*  Choline and muscarine ... cause a fall in blood pressure,

>slowed pulse, profuse water loss from sweat and diahrrhea.



Muscarine does produce these side effects.  They are irritating, but far

from deadly.  Choline is a nutrient precursor to the neurotransmitter

acetylcholine and does not produce these effects.  Choline is widely sold

in health food stores as a nutritional supplement.



>* Ibotine and muscimol cause dizziness, convulsions, delusions,

>violent headaches, muscle cramps, and coma.



Ibotine (aka ibotenic acid) is converted decarboxylated in the body to

form muscimol.  Drying the mushroom before ingestion converts most of the

ibotenic acid to muscimol.  Muscimol is a direct agonist (activator) of

GABA-A receptors in the brain.  By binding to the GABA receptor complex, a

chloride ion channel opens and hyperpolarizes the postsynaptic cell

membrane.  Amanita muscaria has never been known to produce a lasting coma

or convulsions.   Delusions?  Like I said, it is used as an inebriant and

psychedelic agent.   Muscimol was used experimentally as a treatment for

Parkinson's disease in a medical experiment published in the early 1980's

but was not subsequently used due to the hallucinogenic side effects. 



In addition, I have personally experimented with amanita muscaria. 

Smoking a concentrated resin from the mushroom produced definite

hallucinogenic effects (wavy distortions in the visual field and ataxia

distinctly different from psilocybin mushroom species) lasting about an

hour followed by intense sleepiness.  Eating the dried mushrooms produced

the above effects lasting for several hours but accompanied by muscarinic

side-effects such as sweating, mild nausea and mild muscle tremors.  Not

exactly a party, but far from deadly.



David





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 8 Nov 1996 06:44:01 -0700



davepsych1@aol.com wrote:



>There are only two deaths on record as a result of Amanita ingestion in

>the United States, even though there have been thousands of "poisonings"

>as you call them.  "The inevitable recovery of the unfortunate victim is

>usually ascribed to the wonders of modern medicine." (Ott, 1993)

   Uh ... wasn't there a recent spate of mushroom deaths in the

Pacific northwest?  Or was that a different species?  The problem

was among immigrants form an area in the orient that didn't have

lethal mushrooms, and the killer was a mushroom that resembled 

one they were used to eating.

>    "Deaths following the ingestion of Amanita muscaria have not been

>documented sufficiently to permit the conclusion that this is a lethal

>mushroom when ingested by healthy persons.

   

   The problem is that only an expert can tell the difference

between one of the color variations of Amanita pantherina or A.

muscaria and their lethal cousins A. phalloides and A. mutabilis.

   We were on a mycology class field trip, and the instructor

pointed out an area with a mix of A. pantherina and A.

phalloides.  They had a few minor differences ... but the local

variety of A. phalloides has a light tan cap and the local

variety of A. muscaria also has a light tan to medium brown cap.

   I'd hate to risk my liver on being able to distinguihs them

from each other.



  

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: davepsych1@aol.com

Date: 9 Nov 1996 04:04:38 GMT



> The problem is that only an expert can tell the difference

>between one of the color variations of Amanita pantherina or A.

>muscaria and their lethal cousins A. phalloides and A. mutabilis.

>   I'd hate to risk my liver on being able to distinguish them

>from each other.



Me too.....although I have a B.S. in biopsychology, I've never even taken

a class in mycology so I would never try picking them myself, and I

wouldn't advise anybody else to go hunting for them either unless they

really know what they're doing.  The Amanita Muscaria that I acquired was

from a mail-order company which specializes in Amanita Muscaria and

Amanita Pantherina, so I knew exactly what I was getting.



David





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 96 01:41:26 GMT



In article <55rnhl$ipj@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

   davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1) wrote:

>In article <55ibo5$55r@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, skater@thunderboard.con

>(skater) writes:

>

>>et7@open.ac.uk wrote:

>>

>>>Has anyone come across the use of this mushroom? I've read that it is

>>>used in Germany for depression and helping  immune-deficiency. Is it

>>>used in the States? It is very hard to find in UK. 

>>  It would definitely help your depression.  It's quite deadly.

>>Dead people don't complain about depression.

>>

>>

>>Callie

>

>Amanita Muscaria is not deadly.  In fact, one of its principle

>ingredients, muscimol, is a very powerful, intoxicating psychedelic

>compound.  This mushroom is used by some for spiritual purposes and by

>others just to get "messed up", but it's certainly not something that

>would be immediately useful for depression or immune deficiency.

>

>David





The ER physicians will be so glad to know that.I asked a few of them at work 

today and they shook their head and asked why anyone would be silly enough to 

do that intentionally.Listen to Shez and leave this 'cure' alone!

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: lbennett@intergate.bc.ca (L.F.P. Bennett)

Date: 13 Nov 1996 06:53:09 GMT



In article <560jlp$fm2@tkhut.sojourn.com>, sjahner@sojourn.com says...

>

>In article <55rnhl$ipj@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

>   davepsych1@aol.com (DavePsych1) wrote:

>>In article <55ibo5$55r@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, 

skater@thunderboard.con

>>(skater) writes:

>>

>>>et7@open.ac.uk wrote:

> What a fascinating thread! 25 or so years ago, a group a friends and 

I used Amanita Muscaria as an alias. No one caught on. I guess our 

cover is blown!

  We found it hilarious that no one thought to determine if Amanita was 

a person or a thing!







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 19:22:20 GMT



On Sun, 03 Nov 1996 15:27:13 GMT, in alt.folklore.herbs et7@open.ac.uk wrote:



>Has anyone come across the use of this mushroom? I've read that it is

>used in Germany for depression and helping  immune-deficiency. Is it

>used in the States? 



Yes. It is very useful for nerve pain, applied topically. You make a tincture:

cover fresh Amanita muscaria with 40 % alcohol, let be for 7 days, strain. Use

-small- amounts (like a drop), topically (=externally), when needed only. Good

for ischias and similar problems.



Warning: this is a VERY toxic mushroom. Be careful.



>It is very hard to find in UK. 



It is abundant in Finnish woods in autumn. I saw some in the forests of southern

Colorado in July, and I truly believe you'll find it in your woods too, in

season.



Henriette



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 05:16:30 GMT



In article <55hdvm$lku@clyde.open.ac.uk>, et7@open.ac.uk wrote:

>Has anyone come across the use of this mushroom? I've read that it is

>used in Germany for depression and helping  immune-deficiency. Is it

>used in the States? It is very hard to find in UK. 

>

>

Don't try to make preparations from this at home.Amanitas are notorious for 

masquerading as other species at various times during their life cycles.Even 

experts are extremely cautious with these fungi.There are so many other more 

pleasant ways to help depression I can't imagine anyone seeking out this 

'cure', nor why anyone would recommend it,at least not in a home made 

medicine.

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: amanita muscaria (fly agaric)

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:41:29 +0000



In article <55meot$ucf@tkhut.sojourn.com>, Stephen Jahner

<sjahner@sojourn.com> writes

>In article <55hdvm$lku@clyde.open.ac.uk>, et7@open.ac.uk wrote:

>>Has anyone come across the use of this mushroom? I've read that it is

>>used in Germany for depression and helping  immune-deficiency. Is it

>>used in the States? It is very hard to find in UK. 

>>

>>

>Don't try to make preparations from this at home.Amanitas are notorious for 

>masquerading as other species at various times during their life cycles.Even 

>experts are extremely cautious with these fungi.There are so many other more 

>pleasant ways to help depression I can't imagine anyone seeking out this 

>'cure', nor why anyone would recommend it,at least not in a home made 

>medicine.

>Barbara



Please do not use this fungus, it can be deadly, and has many

halucegenic side effects,(Bad trips) It was part of the ointment that

folk law says the witches used to fly to their sabats.

Could I instead recoment valerian and scullcap in the short term, and st

johns wort in the longer term.



.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Ideas on Eczema?

From: et7@open.ac.uk

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 15:27:19 GMT



sthoma10@tc1108.pto.ford.com (Steve Thomas (R)) wrote:



>Sorry if this has been covered.



>Does anyone know what causes eczema?  I had mild cases on my wrists and

>elbows for most of my childhood and then had about 10 years of peace from

>it.  Last year it sprung up again, this time much worse and more

>more extensive.



>I went to the a local doctor and she gave me a cream that releives the

>itching and dryness but the symptons would not totally go away.



>I went to the health food store and they recommended sulfer and graphite.

>Neither seemed to help.



>I began experiementing with my diet by selectively eliminating different

>foods.  I have narrowed it down to two things:  soft drinks (especially

>with Nutrasweet) and coconut products (in particular MCT oil).



>The skin irritation is approximately 95% gone but I do not know why all

>of a sudden I had this problem again.  Any insights are helpful.



>TIA,



>Steve

Like you I had eczema as achild, and still have flare-ups at times;

I'm 42 so I don't think I'll "grow out of it"!

It seems to be brought on by contact allergies, eg if I wear wool

jumpers I get terrible eczema on my neck; some detergents so it, so I

have to be careful what soap powders I use.

Food allergies are the other place you should look; an elimination

diet is good. You can develop an allergy to something you have safely

eaten for years, so check your diet. If elimination diet is too

tricky, try just keeping a food diary and marking in flare-ups; you'll

soon see if there is a common factor.

Probably less of a problem for you is skin care products and make-up.

Even the stuff the doctor gave you can be suspect; I was using a cream

for years that I found out later by quizzing a hospital  pharmacist

was based on almond oil; of course this was not in the ingredients

list, because it is assumed to be "inert" and is for most people,

unless you have a nut allergy.

My main rule is READ INGREDIENT LABELS,  and if you don't know what is

in something, dont use/eat it!









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Ideas on Eczema?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 3 Nov 1996 07:59:01 -0700





>sthoma10@tc1108.pto.ford.com (Steve Thomas (R)) wrote:

>>Sorry if this has been covered.

>>Does anyone know what causes eczema?  I had mild cases on my wrists and

>>elbows for most of my childhood and then had about 10 years of peace from

>>it.  Last year it sprung up again, this time much worse and more

>>more extensive.

>>I began experiementing with my diet by selectively eliminating different

>>foods.  I have narrowed it down to two things:  soft drinks (especially

>>with Nutrasweet) and coconut products (in particular MCT oil).

>>The skin irritation is approximately 95% gone but I do not know why all

>>of a sudden I had this problem again.  Any insights are helpful.



Steve - 

  If it's localized, check contact allergies.  One wierd one I

remember was hand and arm eczema due to an allergy to the polish

used on the tables the person ate from and wrote on.

  A change in clothing ... or soap?  A change in household

products?  A change in diet combined with stress ...  eczema is

very stress-sensitive.

  If you have localized the foods that give you problems, stop

eating them.





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Subject: Listing of Metaphysical Stores in North America

From: queen@shell.monmouth.com (Queen)

Date: 3 Nov 1996 14:40:45 -0500



Author: queen@monmouth.com (queen)

Last-change: November 3, 1996 by queen@monmouth.com (queen)



Introduction



This is a list of metaphysical stores throughout North America. These

stores are physical/retail stores which you may visit and browse through.

Some may also do mail order but this is not a list of mail order catalogue

retailers. 



I have not personally visited these stores. To the best of my knowledge,

I have included stores which carry crystals, herbs, metaphysical books

and supplies, including pagan and Wiccan stores. 



My role in this publication is solely in its maintenance and upkeep.

Please feel free to bring outdated or invalid information to my attention.

Also please feel free to send me information on additional stores for

inclusion in future updated lists in a format consistent with this listing.

Please include the complete telephone number for the store. Listings which

cannot be verified or do not have phone numbers will not be included. 



This list is current to the best of my knowledge. However, I can't

guarantee the accuracy due to the constant opening, closing, and moving

of retail stores. Please support your local metaphysical stores by listing

them here. Also, please notify me if you find a store has moved or closed

so that I can remove them from the list. 



It is the responsibility of the reader to call the store to verify

store hours and current address. 



This document will be posted once each month or whenever there is

a significant change.  It can also be accessed via www at the following

address: http://www.monmouth.com/~queen/sources.html 



If you have a store that you want added to this list, please send

a request to queen@monmouth.com. Please include the store name, address,

phone number, fax number (if available), and email address (if available).

I cannot call all over the country (or world) or search web sites for

addresses or other store information. Incomplete listings will not be

included. 



**ALABAMA**



-The Mystic Gryphon-

40 Monroe Street

Montgomery, AL 36104

Phone: 334-263-2915

Email: gryphon@wrldnet.net

Fax: 334-263-2915 call first



**ALASKA**



-Juneau-

Focal Point Books

245 Marine way

Juneau, AK 99801

Phone: 907-586-5889



**ARIZONA**



-Payson-

Tall Pines Bookshoppe

112 West Bonita

Payson, Arizona 85541

Phone: 520-472-9700



-Phoenix-

Alpha Book Center

1928 E McDowell Rd

Phoenix, AZ 85006

Phone: 602-253-1223



-Phoenix-

Fantasia - A Magickal Place

5108 North 7th Street

Phoenix, AZ 85014

Phone: 602-265-4065



-Phoenix-

Jan Ross New Age &amp; Self Help Books

6019 N. 35th Ave. (at 35th Ave and Bethany Home Rd.)

Phoenix, AZ 85019

Phone: 602-841-4933



-Phoenix-

Lady Sprite's Cupboard

3184 E. Indian School Rd.

Phoenix, AZ 85016

Phone: 602-956-3539



-Phoenix-

New Age Emporium

Town &amp; Country Shopping Center

20th St &amp; Camelback Rd

Phoenix, AZ 85016

Phone: 602-957-2956



-Tucson-

Rainbow Moods Metaphysical Bookstore

3532 E. Grant Rd.

Tucson, Az. 85716

Phone: 520-326-9643



**CALIFORNIA**



-Albany-

Rituals

1102 Solano Avenue

Albany, California 94706

Phone: 510-528-5507



-Anaheim-

Abundant Llight Metaphysical

1853 N. Raymond Ave.

Anaheim, CA 92801

Phone: 714-526-6977



-Belmont-

Full Circle Books

1148 B El Camino Real

Belmont, CA 94002

Phone: 415-508-9546



-Berkeley-

Gaia Bookstore, The

1400 Shattuck Ave.

Berkeley, CA 94709

Phone: 510-548-4172

Fax: 510-548-6134



-Canoga Park-

Vision Quest Metaphysical Books

21831 Sherman Way

Canoga Park, CA 91303

Phone: 818-888-0487

Fax: 818-888-1109



-Carlsbad-

The Crystal Lair

300 Carlsbad Village Drive

Carlsbad, CA

Phone: 619-729-8404



-Claremont-

Crystal Cave, The

415 W. Foothill Blvd. #319

Claremont, CA 91711

Phone: 909-626-0398



-Concord-

Open Door Metaphysical Shoppe

2345 Willow Pass Rd.

Concord, CA 94520

Phone: 510-676-3858

Fax: 510-676-3813

Email: ron.coop@pcld.com



-Costa Mesa-

Enchantments

1731 Santa Ana Ave. 

Costa Mesa, CA 92627

Phone: 714-645-3129



-Dana Point- The Chela II Bookstore

34213 Pacific Coast Highway

Dana Point, California 92629

Phone: 714-493-4397

Fax: 714-493-0832

WWW: http://www.chela.net



-Fremont-

The Inward Light

37120 Maple Ave.

Fremont, CA 94536

Phone: 510-792-7355

WWW: http://www.crl.com/~davidh/ilight/



-Hayward-

7th Ray, The

1471 B St.

Hayward, CA 94541

Phone: 510-886-9642

Email: 510-886-9393 (BBS), mdnewcomb@aol.com

Comments: large catalog, often has booth on Saturdays at Ashby-Bart

station in Berkeley



-La Jolla-

Psychic Eye Book Store

702 Pearl Street

La Jolla, CA

Phone: 619-551-8877



-Lake Elsinore-

The Book Store

31936 Mission Trail

Lake Elsinore, CA 92530

Phone: 909-674-0777



-Long Beach-

EYE OF THE CAT

3314 E. Broadway

Long Beach, CA 90803

310-438-3569



-Los Angeles-

Panpipes Magickal Marketplace

1641 N. Cahuenga Blvd.

Los Angeles, CA 90028

Phone: 213-462-7078

Fax: 962-9559

Note: Owner informed me that this is the only full-service occult store

west of the Mississippi.



-Menlo Park-

East-West Book Shop

1170 El Camino Rd.

Menlo Park, CA

Phone: 415-325-5709



-Menlo Park-

Two Sisters Bookshop

605 Cambridge Avenue

Menlo Park, CA 94025

Phone: 415-323-4778



-Monterey-

Deva'z

596 Lighthouse Ave.

Monterey CA 93940

Phone: 408-641-0803

Email: devaz@redshift.com

WWW: http://www.redshift.com/~deva



-Mountain View-

East West Bookshop

324 Castro St.

Mountain View, CA 94041

Phone: 1-800-909-6161

WWW: http://www.eastwest.com/



-Mountain View-

Inner Journey

902 Villa Avenue

Mountain View, 94039

Phone: 415-964-5060



-Mountain View-

Psychic Eye Book Shops

1128 El Camino Real

Mountain View, CA 94040

Phone: 415-964-2220



-National City-

Magic Bookstore

2306 Highland Avenue

National City, CA

Phone: 619-477-5260



-Nevada City-

Harmony Books

231 Broad Street

Nevada City, CA 95959

Phone: 916-265-9564



-North Hollywood-

Spellbound West

11116 Magnolia Blvd.

N. Hollywood, CA 91601

Phone: 818-769-7450

Fax: 818-769-0154



-Oakland-

Ancient Ways

4075 Telegraph Ave.

Oakland, CA 94609

Phone: 510-653-3244



-Oakland-

Egypt Candle Store

5489 Foothill Blvd.

Oakland, California 94605

Phone: 510-536-6320



-Oceanside-

Inner Worlds Gifts

211 N Hill

Oceanside, CA

Phone: 619-722-3711



-Orange-

CRYSTAL CAVE

777 Main Blvd. #2

Orange, CA 92668

714-543-0551



-Palo Alto-

Minerva Books

1027 Alma Street

Palo Alto, CA 94301

Phone: 415-326-2006



-Redlands-

Good Scents

101 South Sixth Street

Redlands, CA 92373

Phone: 909-335-6160

Email: goodscents@earthlink.net

WWW: http://home.earthlink.net/~goodscents/



-Redwood City-

Harmony Book Shop

709 El Camino Real

Redwood City, CA 94603

Phone: 415-365-8834



-Riverside-

DragonMarsh

3737 6th St.

Riverside, CA 92501

Phone: 909-276-1116

Fax: 909-276-8320

Email: DRGONMARSH@aol.com



-Sacramento-

East West Books

2216 Fair Oaks Blvd.

Sacramento, CA 95825

Phone: 916-920-3837



-Sacramento-

The Tree of Life

918 25th Street

Sacramento, CA 95816

Phone: 916-447-3336



-San Anselmo-

Paper Ships Bookstore

630 San Anselmo Avenue

San Anselmo, CA 94960

Phone: 415-457-3799



-San Diego-

The Controversial Bookstore

3021 University Avenue

San Diego, CA

Phone: 619-296-1560 if busy call 619-296-4121



-San Diego-

Mother Earth's Minerals and Gems

3773 Fifth Avenue

San Diego, CA 92101

Phone: 619-294-8572



-San Diego-

Mystic by the Sea

3004 Madison Avenue

San Diego, CA

Phone: 619-528-9213



-San Diego-

San Diego's Hidden Treasures

3381 30th Street

San Diego, CA

Phone: 619-282-2327



-San Diego-

Starcrafts

5521 Ruffin Road

San Diego, CA 92123

Phone: 619-492-1117

Fax: 619-492-9917

Email: maria@astrocom.com



-San Francisco-

Atlantis Metaphysical Tape, Record, and Bookstore

1888 Union St.

San Francisco, CA 94123

Phone: 415-775-7166

Fax: 415-774-7166



-San Francisco-

Curios &amp; Candles

289 Divisadero (bet. Paige &amp; Haight)

San Francisco, CA 94117

Phone: 415-863-5669



-San Francisco-

Sword &amp; Rose

85 Carl St.

San Francisco, CA 94117

Phone: 415-681-5434



-San Francisco-

Tools of Magick

1915 Page St.

San Francisco, CA 94117

Phone: 415-668-3132



-San Francisco-

Touch Stone

1601-A Page Street

San Francisco, CA 94117

Phone: 415-621-2782



-Walnut Creek-

Dolphin Dream

1437 North Broadway

Walnut Creek, CA 94546

Phone: 510-933-2342

Fax: 510-933-9250



**COLORADO**



-Aurora-

Adriel's Alchemy

3140 S. Parker Rd.

Aurora, CO 80014

303-369-9451



-Aurora-

Amber Unicorn

1860 S. Chambers

Aurora, CO 80017

303-696-0750



-Colorado Springs-

Celebration New Age Book Store

2209 W. Colorado Ave.

Colorado Springs, CO 80904

Phone: 719-634-1855



-Colorado Springs-

McKenzey White

8005 N. Academy Blvd.

Colorado Springs, CO 80920

Phone: 719-590-1700



-Colorado Springs-

Poor Richards Bookstore

320 N. Tejon Street

Colorado Springs, CO 80903

Phone: 719-578-0012



-Denver-

The Enchanted Chalice

3640 W. 32 Ave.

Denver, CO 80211

303-964-9339



-Denver-

Herbs &amp; Arts

2325 E. Evans Ave. 

Denver, CO

303-733-7684



-Denver-

Isis

5701 E. Colfax

Denver, CO 80220

303-321-0867

-Denver-

Metaphysical Book Store

2178 S. Colorado

Denver, CO 80010

303-758-9113



-Denver-

Nic Nac Nook

4280 Morrison Rd. 

Denver, CO

303-922-9063



-Denver-

The Twelfth House

1445 S. Pearl

Denver, CO 80210

303-777-1112



-Denver-

WINGS Metaphysical Books and Gifts

3559 West 44th Ave (44th and Lowell)

Denver, CO 80221

Phone: 303-561-0387



-Fort Collins-

DREAM WEAVER

1220 S. College Avenue, Suite 100

Fort Collins, Colorado 

Phone: 970-221-3739



-Fort Collins-

NORTHERN LIGHTS BOOKSTORE

220 E. Monroe Dr.

Fort Collins, Colorado 

Phone: 970-229-9167



-Littleton-

Bell Book &amp; Candle

2386 W. Main

Littleton, CO 80120

303-730-2396



-Littleton-

Metamorphosis

6950 S. Broadway

Littleton, CO 80121

303-730-2974



**CONNECTICUT**



-Mansfield-

The Illuminarium Convergence

476 Storrs Rd.

Mansfield, CT 06250

Phone: 860-456-1335



-So. Norwalk-

Avalon 

9 North Main St.

So. Norwalk, CT 06854

Phone: 203-838-5928

Email: AvalonCWPN@AOL.Com



**FLORIDA**



-Brandon-

Magick Moon

216 Oakfield Dr.

Brandon, FL 33511

Phone: 813-684-4465

Fax: same



-Dania-

Metaphysical Books

233 N. Federal Highway

Dania, FL 33004

Phone: 954-923-0066



-Fort Lauderdale-

Celestial Visions

6021 NW 31st Avenue

Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33309

Phone: 954-979-0303



-Fort Lauderdale-

Ricke's New Age &amp; Metaphysical

916 North Federal Highway

Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33304

Phone: 954-525-3455

Fax: 954-525-2963



-Hialeah Gardens-

Mi-World Supplies

9808 N.W. 80th Avenue #10 N

Hialeah Gardens, FL 33016

Phone: 305-558-5021



-Holly Hill-

Moonstar Church of Wicca

1388 N. Nova Rd.

Holly Hill, Fl 32117

Phone: 904-252-8441

WWW: http://www.shoppersmart.com/thirdwave/moon.html



-Hollywood-

Crystal Vision

3160 Stirling Road

Hollywood, FL 33021

Phone: 954-981-4992



-Hollywood-

Mystic Books

5829 SW 21st Street

Hollywood, FL 33023

Phone: 954-987-0777



-Largo-

Mystic Goddess

12041 66th St.

Largo, FL 34643

Phone: 813-530-9994



-Lauderhill-

Kenley Metaphysical Center

4940 N. University Drive

Lauderhill, Florida 33321

Pnone: (954) 749-9409



-Margate-

Beyond the Light

2422 N. State Road 7

Margate, FL 33063

Phone: 954-984-8871



-Margate-

Crystal Fantasy

Bookstore of the Sacred Light Temple

5111 Coconut Creek Parkway

Margate, Florida 33063

(954) 973-0903



-Melbourne-

Air, Fire, Water &amp; Earth

1010 East New Haven Ave.

Downtown Melbourne, FL 32901

Phone: 407-951-AFWE



-Miami-

The Mystical Amulet

7360 Coral Way #17A

Miami, FL 33155

Phone: 305-265-2228



-North Miami-

Unicorn Boutique

3575 NE 207th Street

North Miami, FL 33180

Phone: 305-935-6726



-New Port Richey-

Crystal Pyramid

6839 State Route 54

New Port Richey, FL 34653

Phone: 813-848-4906



-Orlando-

Dragonwood

1211 Hillcrest

Orlando, FL 32802

Phone: 407-895-7439



-Orlando-

The Milky Way

119 South Orange Avenue

Orlando, FL 32801

Phone: 407-841-2238



-Pembroke Pines-

Magical Forest

2072 N. University Drive

Pembroke Pines, FL 33024

Phone: 954-438-8557



-Plantation-

Under the Stars

3883 W. Broward Blvd.

Plantation, FL 33312

Phone: 954-587-7739



-Pompano Beach-

Daughters of Isis

577 Sample Road

Pompano Beach, FL 33064

Phone: (954) 941-4081

Fax: (954) 941-4061



-Tallahassee-

Crystal Connection

1105-B Appalachee Parkway

Tallahassee, FL 32301

Phone: 904-878-8500



-Tamarac-

Inner Light Metaphysical Center

5425 N. State Road 7

Tamarac, Florida 33319

Phone: 954-730-7790



-Tampa-

Merlin's Books

2568 E. Fowler Ave

Tampa, FL

Phone: (813) 972-1766



**IDAHO**



-Boise-

The Blue Unicorn Inc.

1809 W. State St.

Boise, Idaho 83702

Phone: 208-345-9390, 800-745-1655.

Fax: 208-344-7414



-Pocatello-

The Five Elements

1261 N. Main

Pocatello, ID 83204

Phone: 208-233-1234



**ILLINOIS**



-Champaign-

Loft, The

627.5 East Green Street (above Zorba's)

Champaign, IL 61820

Phone: 217-367-0207

Email: kamala@prairienet.org



-Chicago-

Arcanum Books and Curios

3732 North Southport Avenue

Chicago, Illinois 60613

Tel. 312.528.3433



-Chicago-

Aurum Solis Bookstore

5113 N Clark St

Chicago, IL 60640

Phone: 312-334-2120, 800-348-6766

Email: info@aurumsolis.com

Web: http://www.aurumsolis.com



-Chicago-

Turtle Island Books

7001 N Glenwood

Chicago, IL 60626-2812

Phone: 312-465-7212



-Evanston-

Light of the Moon

809 Dempster St

Evanston, IL 60201-4303

Phone: 847-492-0492



 



-Planet Earth-

1129 Emerson St

Evanston, IL 60201-3131

Phone: 847-570-0055



 



-Lombard-

Inner Eye

Crescent Blvd. &amp; St. Charles Rd.

Lombard, IL.

1-708-691-8685



-Rockford-

Magick Shoppe

129 S. Phelps Ave. Suite 410

Rockford, IL 61108

Phone: 815-397-5811

Fax: 815-397-5820



-Schaumburg-

Styx and Stonz

2301 W. Schaumburg Rd.

Schaumburg, Illinois

1-708-582-1008



-Wheaton-

The Quest

306 W. Geneva Rd.

Wheaton, IL.

1-708-665-0123



**KANSAS**



-Lawrence-

Hummingbird Song

10 E. 9th St.

Lawrence, KS

Phone: 913-749-2600



-Shawnee-

Life and Light

10920 Shawnee Mission Parkway

Shawnee, Kansas

Phone: 913-268-1460



-Topeka-

The Crystal Window

4008 SW Huntoon

Topeka, Kansas 

Phone: 913-271-5338



**IOWA**



-Iowa City-

Moon Mystique

114-1/2 E. College St.

Iowa City, IA



-Iowa City-

Vortex

211 E. Washington St.

Iowa City, IA



**LOUISIANA**



-Harvey

St. Michael Candle Shop Spiritual &amp; Religious Products

2209 Lapalco Blvd., Suite 1

Harvey, LA 70058

Phone: 504-367-4274



-New Orleans

F &amp; F Co. Spiritual Church Supply

801 N. Broad Avenue

New Orleans, LA 70119

Phone: 504-482-9142



-New Orleans

Island of Salvation Botanica

835 Piety Street

New Orleans, LA 70117

Phone: 504-948-9961



-Shreveport-

City Book Store

1917 Creswell Avenue

Shreveport, Louisiana 71101

Phone: (318) 425 - 5142



**MARYLAND**



-College Park-

Smile Herb Shop

4908 Berwyn Rd.

College Park, MD 20740

Phone: 301-474-8791

Fax: 301-441-3734



-Ellicott City-

Renaissance Bookstore

8101 Main St.

Ellicott City, MD 21043

Phone: 410-465-0010



-Frederick-

Foxcraft

343 N. Market St.

Frederick, MD 21701

Phone: 301-663-5463



-Pasadena-

Turning Wheel, The

8039-A Ritchie Highway

Pasadena, MD 21122

Phone: 410-761-3130, 800-934-TURN



**MASSACHUSETTS**



-Cambridge-

Arsenic and Old Lace

1743 Massachusetts Ave.

Cambridge, MA 02140

Phone: 617-354-7785

Email: AandOL@aol.com



-Cambridge-

Seven Stars

58 JFK St.

Cambridge, MA 02138

Phone: 617-547-1317



-Chelmsford-

Web of Time

73 Princeton St. (Rte 3A)

Chelmsford, MA 01824

Phone: 508-251-4910



-Marlboro-

New Moon, The

262 Main St.

Marlboro, MA 01752

Phone: 508-481-7533



-Maynard-

Solstice Sun

10 Nason St.

Maynard, MA

Phone: 508-461-0040

Fax: 508-461-0040 (call first)



-Salem-

Broom Closet, The

5 Central Street

Salem, MA 01970

Phone: 508-741-3669

Fax: 508-745-3028



-Salem-

Crow Haven Corner

125 Essex St.

Salem, MA 01970

Phone: 508-745-8763

WWW: http://www.crowhavencorner.com



-Salem-

Goddess' Treasure Chest

2 Derby Square

Salem, MA 01970

Phone: 508-740-5100



-Salem-

Pyramid Books

35 Congress St.

Salem, MA 01970

Phone: 508-745-7171



**MICHIGAN**



-Berkley-

Mayflower Bookshop

2645 W. 12 Mile Road

Berkley, MI 48072

Phone: 810-547-8227



-Berkley-

Michigan Metaphysical Society

3018 W. Robina

Berkley, MI 48072

Phone: 810-399-8299



-Clinton Township-

Coventry Creations

18739 14 Mile Road

Clinton Township, MI 48035

Phone: 800-810-7837

Fax: 810-598-0824

Email: tonyp9@ally.ios.com

Web: http://ally.ios.com/~tonyp9/cov.htm



-Garden City-

Naomi's Bookstore 

30040 Ford Road

Garden City, MI 48135

Phone: 313-421-5544



-Southfield-

My Philosophy of Life Bookstore

25511 Southfield Road, Suite 122

Southfield, MI 48075

Phone: 810-557-5935



**MINNESOTA**



-St. Paul-

Evenstar Bookstore

2401 University Ave.

St. Paul, MN 55114

Phone: 612-644-3727



Web: http://www.dwave.net~evenstar/



**MISSOURI**



-Columbia-

Cool Stuff

808 E. Broadway

Columbia, Mo.

Phone: (573)875-5225



-Independence-

Ancient Pathways

116 W 24 Hwy

Independence, MO

Phone: 816-461-7777



-Kansas City-

Aquarius

424 Westport Road

Kansas City Missouri, 64111

Phone: 816-931-6303



-Kansas City-

Vulcan's Forge

424 Westport Road

Kansas City, Missouri, 64111

Phone: 816-931-6303



-Kansas City-

White Light Bookstore

1607 W. 39th Street

Kansas City, Missouri, 64111

Phone: 816-931-0116



-St. Louis-

Mystic Valley

3228 Laclede Station Rd.

St. Louis, MO 63143

Phone: 314-645-3336



-St. Louis-

Pathways

8980 Watson Rd.

St. Louis, MO 63119

Phone: 314-842-0047



**NEVADA**



-Las Vegas-

Bell, Book and Candle

1725 E. Charleston Blvd

Las Vegas, NV

Phone: 702-384-6807



-Las Vegas-

Cat 'N Cauldron

3770 E. Desert Inn Road

Las Vegas, NV 89121

Phone: 702-435-2250



-Las Vegas-

Psychic Eye

3315 E. Russell RD.

Las Vegas, NV

Phone: 702-451-5777



-Las Vegas-

Psychic Eye

4810 Spring Mtn. Rd.

Las Vegas, NV

Phone: 702-368-7785



-Las Vegas-

Psychic Eye

953 E. Sahara 

Las Vegas, NV

Phone: 702-369-6622



**NEW JERSEY**



-Atco-

Mystical Crossroads

433 White Horse Pike

Atco, NJ 08004

Phone: 1-609-768-9868

1-609-768-0075

WWW: http://www.jersey.net/~mystical1



-Belleville-

Spellbound

480 Washington Ave.

Belleville, NJ 07109

Phone: 201-450-4696



-Butler-

Soul Journey

9 Main Street

Butler, NJ 07405-1005

Phone: 201-838-6564

Fax: 201-838-1471

Email: Souljny@aol.com



-Cherry Hill-

Gary's Gem Garden

Sawmill Village Shopping Center

Route 70

Cherry Hill, NJ

Phone: 609-795-5077



-Collingswood-

Follow The Rainbow

864 Haddon Ave.

Collingswood, NJ 08108

Phone: 609-858-4546



-Denville-

Audrey's Inner Vision

59A Broadway

Denville, NJ

Phone: 201-586-3755



-Ewing-

Paradise America

1684 Pennington Road

Ewing, NJ

Phone: 609-882-2210



-Fair Haven-

Aquarius Rising New Age Book Store

775 River Rd.

Fair Haven, NJ 07704

Phone: 908-842-3871



-Lyndhurst-

Mystical World

224 Stuyvesant Ave.

Lyndhurst, NJ 07071

Phone: 201-896-3999



-Long Branch-

Equinox Books &amp; Curios

108 Brighton Ave.

Long Branch, NJ 07740

Phone: 908-222-0801



-Medford-

Ram III Metaphysical Books

7 South Main St.

Medford, NJ 08055

Phone: 609-654-0112



-Milltown-

Salamander

80 N Main St

Milltown, NJ 08850

Phone: 908-846-1305



-Montclair-

Kindred Spirits

22 South Fullerton Ave.

Montclair, NJ

Phone: 201-746-5988



-Montclair-

Middle Pillar, The

430 Bloomfield Ave.

Montclair, NJ 07042

Phone: 201-744-2282



-North Bergen-

Revelations Metaphysical Shop

1707 69th St. Suite 308

North Bergen, NJ 07047

Phone: 201-869-1293



-North Plainfield-

The Lion's Thorn

102 Somerset St.

No. Plainfield, NJ 07060

Phone: 908-769-5694

Email: lionthorn@aol.com



-Pitman-

Patricia's Enchanted Cottage

731 Lambs Road

Pitman, NJ

Phone: 609-582-1100



-Red Bank-

Earth Spirit

16 W. Front St.

Red Bank, NJ 07701

Phone: 908-842-3855

WWW: http://www.monmouth.com/~earthspirit



-Red Bank-

Magical Rocks

19 Monmouth St.

Red Bank, NJ 07701

Phone: 908-741-1293



-Ridgewood-

Transformations

45 Hudson Street

Ridgewood, NJ 07450

Phone: 201-612-8022



-Runnemeade-

Gathering Place, The

777 W. Clements Bridge Rd. (Rt. 41)

Runnemeade, NJ 08978

Phone: 609-939-1445



-Scotch Plains-

Success Express

1822 East 2nd St.

Scotch Plains, NJ 07076

Phone: 908-322-6662



-Somerville-

Atlantis Books

144A W. Main St.

Somerville, NJ 

Phone: 908-429-0008



-South Plainfield-

Gabriel's Illluminating Bookstore &amp; Cappuccino Bar

28 So. Plainfield Ave.

So. Plainfield, NJ

Phone: 908-561-4446



-Westfield-

Celestial Books &amp; Gifts

406 1/2 W Broad St

Westfield, NJ

Phone: 908-654-7502



-Westwood-

The Nature of Things

9 Westwood Ave.

Westwood, NJ 07675

Phone: 201-666-3627



-West Orange-

Point-Of-Focus

The Faith and Belief Article Supply Store

57A Harrison Ave.

West Orange, NJ

Phone: 201-736-0023



**NEW MEXICO**



-Albuquerque-

Crystal Words

5850 Eubank Blvd NE

Albuquerque, New Mexico 87111

Phone: 505-292-6999

Email: wwb@indirect.com



-Ribera-

New Mexico Institute of Metaphysival Alternatives

P. O. Box 454 

Hiway 3 and Padilla Road

Ribera, NM 87560 

Phone: 505-421-3053

Fax: 505-421-3084 



**NEW YORK**



-Albany-

Blue White Rainbow

10 New Karner Rd

Albany NY 12203

Phone: 518-869-6915



-Genesco-

Moon Magic

97 Main Street

Geneseo, NY 14454

Phone: 716-243-0750

Email: Kara_Raven@aol.com



-Glen Cove-

Lightworks

1 Brewster Street

Glen Cove, New York 11542

Phone: 516-759-2997



-Hicksville-

Stillness In Motion

21 Nicholai Street

Hicksville, NY 11801

Phone: 516-938-4CHI, 516-579-4178

Fax: 516-822-6717



-Holtsville-

Angel Light

811 Waverly Avenue

Holtsville NY 11742

Phone: 516-289-7858



-Huntington-

Les Herbest, Ltd.

9 Gerry Lane

Huntington, New York 11743

Phone: 516-271-4246



-Long Island-

(Sayville)

Sleeze Street Tales

5750 Sunrise Highway (Attia's Market)

Sayville, NY 

Phone: (516)244-8370

Email: bwn@mv.mv.com

WWW: http://www.mv.com/users/hogarth/sleeze/



-New York City-

(Manhattan)

Altar Egos

110 W. Houston St.

New York City, NY 10012

Phone: 212-677-9588

Email: altaregos@aol.com



-New York City-

(Bronx)

Enchanted Candle

23-21 Westchester Ave.

Bronx, NY 10462

Phone: 718-982-5350



-New York City-



(Manhattan)

Crystal Gardens

21 Greenwich Ave.

New York, NY 10014

Phone: 212-366-1965 

Email: rainbow@mhv.net



 



-New York City-

(Manhattan)

Enchantments

341 E. 9th St. (betwn 1st and Ave A)

New York City, NY

Phone: 212-228-4394



-New York City-

New York Astrology Center

350 Lexington Avenue 4TH Fl

New York, NY 10016-0909

Phone: 212-949-7275

Fax: 212-949-7274

Email: AFUND@AOL.COM

Web: http://www.ids.net/starbridge/afund (related co)



-New York City-

(Manhattan)

Other Worldly Waxes and Whatever, Inc.

131 E. 7th St.

New York City, NY

Phone: 212-260-9188

Fax: 212-260-9188 (call first)



-New York City-

(Manhattan)

Pomba Gira Botanica

240 East 28th Street

New York, NY 10016

Phone: 212-532-7272



-New York City-

(Manhattan)

The Quest Bookshop

240 E. 53rd St. (bet. 2nd &amp; 3rd Ave)

New York, NY 10022

Phone: (212) 758-5521

Fax: (212) 758-4679

Email: nyts@dorsai.org

WWW: http://www.dorsai.org/~nyts/bookshop.html



-New York City-

(Manhattan)

Stick, Stone &amp; Bone

111 Christopher St.

New York City, NY

Phone: 212-807-7024



-Port Jefferson-

Envision Crystal

109 Arden Place

Port Jefferson, NY 11777

Phone: 516-331-3308



-Rockville Centre-

Starbrite Books

Metaphysical Book Store

14A South Park Avenue

Rockville Centre, NY 11570

Phone: 516-678-0780



-Roslyn NY-

Dreams East

1 Tower Place

Roslyn, NY 11576

Phone: 516-484-5384



-Sag Harbor-

Metaphysial Books &amp; Tools

83 Main St.

Sag Harbor, NY 11963

Phone: 516-725-5090



-Schenectady-

Psychic Horizons Bookstore

2245 Central Ave

Schenectady, NY 12304

Phone: 518-374-7559



-Schenectady-

The Magik Herb

138 Jay Street

Schenectady, NY 12305

Phone: 518-377-2873



-Syracuse-

Seven Rays Bookstore

508 Westcott St.

Syracuse, NY 13210

Phone: 315-424-9137



-Troy-

Myth &amp; Magick

212 River St

Troy, NY 12180

Phone: 518-274-5403



-Utica/Rome-

Psychic Treasures

629 French Road

New Hartford, NY 13413

Phone: 315-724-7337



**NORTH CAROLINA**



-Asheville-

The Goddess Store

382 Montford Ave.

Asheville, NC 28806

Phone: 704-258-3102



-Asheville-

Mystic Eye

30 N. Lexington Ave.

Asheville, NC 28801 

Phone: (704) 251-1773



-Asheville-

Seventh Heaven

52 Westgate Shopping Center

Asheville, NC 28806

Phone: 704-253-8070



-Charlotte-

The Bag Lady

2914 Selwyn Avenue

Charlotte, NC 28209

Phone: 704-338-9778



-Charlotte-

Central Sun

1825 E. 7th Street

Charlotte, NC

Phone: 704-333-9200



-Charlotte-

Infinity's Images

3714 E. Independence Blvd

Charlotte, NC 28205

Phone: 704-536-7642



-Charlotte-

The Rainbow Path

1412-G East Blvd

Charlotte, NC 

Phone: 704-332-3404



-Charlotte-

Rising Moon

316 East Blvd 

Charlotte, NC 28203

Phone: 704-332-7473



-Charlotte-

Three Feathers Herb Shop

224 East Blvd

Charlotte, NC

Phone: 704-376-8096



-Durham-

Earth &amp; Spirit

754 Ninth Street

Durham, NC 27705

919-286-4250



-Naples-

Crystal Visions

US Hwy 25

Naples, NC 28760 

Phone: 704-687-1193 



-Pittsboro-

Sheercraft, Ltd.

1420 Dewhitt Smith Rd.

Pittsboro, NC 27312

Phone: 919-542-4316

Fax: 919-542-0660 

Email: jeffalan@interpath.com

Web: http://nc-generalstore.com/sheercraft/sheer.htm



-Raleigh-

The Dancing Moon

614 West Johnson Street

Raleigh, NC 27603

919-834-6644



**NORTH DAKOTA**



-Fargo-

Silver Hoofs Inc.

413 11th St. North

Fargo, ND 58102

Phone: 701-292-3868

Email: silver_hoofs@corpcomm.net

WWW: http://www.corpcomm.net/~silver_hoofs



**OHIO**



-Austintown-

Dream Catchers

3773 Mahoning Ave.

Austintown, Ohio 44515

Phone: 330-793-0435



-Andover-

The Olde Herb Shop

29 Public Square

Andover, Ohio 44003

Phone: 216-293-4836



-Broadview Heights-

Ambergram Metaphysical Boutique

8071 Broadview Road

Broadview Heights, OH 44147

Phone: 216-526-3011



-Cleveland-

Enchantments

17303 Lorain Avenue

Cleveland, OH 44111

Phone: 216-941-9454



-Columbus-

Fly-by-Night

2275 N High St

Columbus OH 43201

Phone: 614-299-7930



-Columbus-

Ordinary Mysteries

233 W Fifth Ave

Columbus OH 43201

Phone: 614-294-2000



-Columbus-

Pearls of Wisdom

3224 N. High Street

Columbus, Ohio 43202

Phone: 614-262-0146



-Columbus-

Phoenix Books

3110 N. High Street

Columbus, Ohio 43202

Phone: 614-268-3100



-Columbus-

Salem West

1209 N High St

Columbus OH 43201

Phone: 614-421-7557



**OREGON**



-Beaverton-

Crystal Heart Books &amp; Beads

4505 SW Watson Av.

Beaverton, OR 

Phone: 503-520-0404



-Portland-

Centergees Metaphysical Books &amp; Gifts

2007 NE 39th

Portland, OR 97211

Phone: 503-284-6603



-Portland-

Goddess Gallery, The

3240 SE Hawthorne Blvd.

Portland, OR

Phone: 503-239-7458



-Portland-

Moonshadow

3240 SE Hawthorne Blvd.

Portland, OR

Phone: 503-235-5774



-Portland-

Panurge Emporium Books and Esoterica

1005 NW 16th

Portland, OR 97210

Phone: 503-248-6905

800-569-2750



**PENNSYLVANIA**



-Berwyn-

Heart of the Goddess

10 Leopard Road

Berwyn, PA 19312

Phone: 610-695-9494



-East Stroudsburg-

Dream Zone

RT. 209 

East Stroudsburg, PA 18301

Phone: 717-424-0301

Draw a Pentagram on a paper 

It will be your %10 net coupon



-Lansdale-

Unicorns Garden, The

407 West Main St.

Lansdale, PA 19446

Phone: 215-362-5229



-Mt. Pocono-

Crystal Castle at Memory Town

Grange Rd.

Mt. Pocono, PA

Phone: 717-839-7722

Mailing Address: P.O. Box 132, Portland, PA 18351



-New Hope-

Gypsy Heaven

115 South Main St.

New Hope, PA 18938

Phone: 215-862-5251



-New Hope-

Hemetro's Mystickal Tymes

127 South Main St.

New Hope, PA 18938

Phone: 215-862-5629



-New Hope-

Sagittarius Books

87 South Main Street

New Hope, PA 18938

Phone: 215-862-9430



-Philadelphia-

Botanica La Milagrosa Spiritual &amp; Occult Shop

2903 North 5th St.

Philadelphia, PA 19133

Phone: 215-634-7866

Fax: 215-634-6110



-Philadelphia-

Garland of Letters

South St.

Philadelphia, PA

Phone: 215-923-5946



-Philadelphia-

Hand of Aries

620 S. 4th St.

Philadelphia, PA 19147

Phone: 215-923-5264



-Steelton-

Divine Light Bookstore

110 N. Front St.

Steelton, PA 17113

Phone: 717-939-7071, 800-925-7071



-West Reading-

Coffee Shop Book House, The

643 Penn Avenue

West Reading, PA

Phone: 610-375-1311



-West Reading-

Name: Earth Rhythms

Address: 643 Penn Avenue

West Reading, PA

Phone: 610-374-3730



-York-

New Visions Books

570 N. Belvidere Ave.

York, PA 17404-3112

Phone: (717) 843-8067 or (800) 843-8067

FAX: (717) 845-3287



**TENNESSEE**



-Bristol-

Wicca Basket

Southside Ave.

Bristol, TN 37620

Phone: 615-968-1313



-Nashville-

Goddess and the Moon

112 2nd Avenue North

Nashville, TN 37201

Phone: (615) 256-5700



**TEXAS**



-Austin-

Baba Yaga's Emporium

5114 Balcones Woods Dr., Suite 307, MS 358

Austin, TX 78759-5298

Phone: 512-795-0750

Fax: 512-795-0872

Email: babayaga@zilker.com

WWW: http://www.zilker.net/babayaga

Comments: catalogue ($2)



-Austin-

Book People

Corner Lamar and 6th St.

Austin, TX

Phone: 512-472-8291



-Austin-

Celebration

108 W. 43rd St.

Austin, TX 78752

Phone: 512-453-6207

Fax: 512-458-3267



-Austin-

New Age Books

1006 S. Lamar

Austin, TX 78704

Phone: 512-443-6794



-Dallas-

The Constellation

European Crossroads Ste 401

2829 W. Northwest Hwy

Dallas, Texas, 75220

Tel -(214)-352-4847

Fax -(214) 350-8958

WWW: http://rampages.onramp.net/~powersm



-Dallas-

Lotus Books and Gems

17630 Davenport, Suite 101

Dallas, Texas 75252

Phone: 972-713-7660

WWW: http://www.dev-com.com/~Geo_WEB/lotus.html



-Dallas-

Scorpio Herbs

3015 Sale St.

Dallas, Texas 75204

Phone: 214-528-2148

Email: serquet@barefactsbbs.com



-Fort Worth-

Bell Book &amp; Candle

2505 W. Berry

Fort Worth, TX 76109

Phone: 817-924-1535



-Fort Worth-

The Enchanted Forest

6619 E Lancaster Ave

Fort Worth, TX 76112

Phone: 817-446-8385



-Fort Worth-

Himalayan Arts &amp; Gifts

4111 Camp Bowie Blvd

Fort Worth, TX 76107

Phone: 817-731-0406



-Fort Worth-

Lightworker's Supplies

5938 Curzon Ave.

Fort Worth, TX 76107

Phone: 817-732-4227



-Fort Worth-

The Rainbow Bridge

4806B Camp Bowie Blvd

Fort Worth, TX 76107

Phone: 817-377-2001



-Garland-

Four Feathers Trading Post

109 S. Sixth St.

Garland, TX 75040

Phone: 214-272-5723



-Grand Prairie (Dallas / Fort Worth)-

Flight of the Phoenix

1034 North Carrier Parkway

Grand Prairie TX 75050-1101

Phone: 214-642-6363



-Houston-

Lucia's Garden

2942 Virginia St.

Houston, TX 77098

Phone: 713-523-6494



-Houston-

Magick Cauldron

2214 Richmond Ave.

Houston, TX 77098

Phone: 713-523-0069



-Houston-

Moon Circles

3309 Cromwell St.

Houston,Tx 77093

Phone: 713-987-9326



-Irving-

Andromeda's Corner

2107 N O'Connor

Irving, TX 75061

Phone: 214-579-9064



-Irving-

Years To Your Health

503 East Second Street

Irving, TX 75060

Phone: 214-579-7042

800-860-7042



-Richardson-

Overtones

2330 Promenade Shopping Center

Richardson, TX 75080

Phone: 214-559-5677



-San Antonio-

Botanica Indio

2301 S. Presa St.

San Antonio, TX 78210-2839

Phone: 210-533-4441



-San Antontio-

The Magic Shop

3314 Colony Drive

San Antonio, Texas 78230

Phone: 210-669-6033



**UTAH**



-Salt Lake City-

Gypsy Moon Emporium

1011 E. 900 South

Salt Lake City, UT 84105

801-521-9100



**VERMONT**



-Burlington-

Spirit Dancer

22 Church St.

Burlington, VT 05401

Phone: 802-660-8060



**VIRGINIA**



-Chesapeake-

The Shaman Crystal

4300 Portsmouth Blvd.

Suite 202

Chesapeake, VA 23321

Phone: 804-488-5484



-Herndon-

Crystalis Treasures

306 Elden St.

Herndon, VA 

Phone: 703-689-0114



-Leesburg-

Yesterday's Memories

25 S. King St.

Leesburg, VA

Phone: 703-777-4642



-Newport News-

Out of the Dark

530 Randolph Road

Newport News, VA 23601

Phone: 804-596-6220



-Norfolk-

Ye Olde Mystique Shoppe

3130 Tidewater Drive 

Norfolk, Virginia

Phone: (804)627-5354



-Richmond-

The Alchemist

3066 Stony Point Road

(Stony Point Shopping Center)

Richmond, VA

Phone: 804-323-5563



-Richmond-

The Aquarian Bookshop

3519 Ellwood Avenue

(Carytown, near Ukrops)

Richmond, VA

Phone: 804-353-5575



-Vianna-

Terra Christa

N. CHurch St.

Vianna, VA

Phone: 703-281-9410



-Virginia Beach-

Heritage Books and Gifts

308 Laskin Rd.

Virginia Beach, VA 23404

Phone: 904-428-0400



**WASHINGTON**



-Everett-

Orion at Twilight

2934B Colby Ave

Everett, WA 98201

Phone: 206-303-8624

Web: http://www.brigadoon.com/~clupkes/oat.htm



-Kent-

Crysalis Metaphysical Bookstore

25838 104th Ave. SE

Kent, WA 98031

Phone: 206-859-1351

Fax: 206-939-2496



-Renton-

Pendragon

310 Wells Avenue

Renton, WA 98055

Phone: 206-271-9909



-Seattle-

Eco-Elements

1530 First Avenue

Seattle, WA

Phone: 206-467-7745



-Seattle-

Edge of the Circle Books

701 East Pike

Seattle, WA 98122

Phone: (206)PAN-1999, (206)726-1999



-Seattle-

Healing Pages Bookstore

600 W. McGraw #2

Seattle, WA 98119

Phone: 206-283-7621

Email: healingpgs@aol.com

WWW: http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



-Seattle-

Quest Bookshop

717 Broadway Ave. E 

Seattle, WA 98102

Phone: 206-323-4281



-Tacoma-

Wholly Unlimited

11138 Gravelly Lk. Dr. SW

Tacoma, WA 98499

Phone: 206-581-5563

Email: bluelyon@ix.netcom.com



-Vancouver-

Laughing Bird

3214 St. Johns Blvd.

Vancouver, WA 98661

Phone: 360-693-7349



**WISCONSIN**



-Milwaukee-

Dark Star Books and Music

800 E. Burleigh 

Milwaukee, WI 53212

Phone: 414-562-7827



-Milwaukee-

Hand of Glory

615 N Milwaukee Ave

Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53202

Phone: 414-276-5552



-Milwaukee-

High Wind Books

3041 N. Oakland Ave

Milwaukee, WI 53211

Phone: 414-332-8288



-Milwaukee-

House of Scorpio

5922 W. Burnam Ave

Milwaukee, WI 53219

Phone: 414-545-7470



-Milwaukee-

The Three Fates

1233 E. Brady St.

Milwaukee, WI 53202

Phone: 414-276-3282 





***** CANADA *****



**ALBERTA**

-Calgary-

Awakenings

2136 - 33rd. Ave. S.W.

Calgary AB. T2T1Z6

Phone: 403-686-7155



-Edmonton-

Akashik Books

10518 - 82nd. Ave.

Edmonton, Alta. T6E2A4

Phone: 403-431-1981



-Edmonton-

Ascendant Books

10991-124th. St.

Edmonton, Alta. T5M0H9

Phone: 403-452-5372



**BRITISH COLUMBIA**



-Courtenay-

Winds of Change 

441 Cliffe Ave.

Courtenay, BC V9N2J3 

Phone: 604-338-5095



-Denmen Island-

Abraxas Books

1151 Northwest Rd.

Denmen Island, BC V0R1T0

Phone: 604-335-0433



-Kamloops-

Spirit Dancer Books and Gifts

270 Landsdowne St.

Kamloops, BC V2C1X7

Phone: 604-828-0928



-Surrey-

Phoenix Metaphysical Books

10202 - 152nd Street

Surrey, BC Canada V3R 6N7

Phone: 604-584-7684

Email: phoenix_books@mindlink.bc.ca



-Vancouver-

Banyen Books

2671 W. Broadway

Vancouver, BC

Canada V6K 2G2

Tel: (604) 732-7912

Mail Order: 800-663-8442



-Victoria-

Avalon Metaphysical Centre

62-560 Johnson Street

Victoria, BC V8W 3C6

Phone: (604) 380-1721

Fax: (604) 381-2019

Email: avalon@octonet.com



-Victoria-

Hecate's Loom

Box 5206, Station B

Victoria, B.C.

V8R 6N4

CANADA

Phone: 250-478-0401

FAX: 604-478-9287

Email: loom@islandnet.com

WWW: http://www.hecate.com



(250) 478-0401 and FAX (250) 478-9287 



**MANITOBA**



-Winnipeg-

Genesis Books

130 Osborne

Winnipeg, Man. R3L1Y5

Phone: 204-452-0982



**NOVA SCOTIA**



-Halifax-

Little Mysteries Books

1645 Barrington St.

Halifax, NS B3J1Z9

Phone: 902-423-1313



**ONTARIO**



-Brantford-

A Field of Dreams

200 King George Rd.

Brantford, ON N3R5L3

Phone: 519-756-4428



-London-

The Mystic Bookshop

616 Dundas St.

London, ON N5W2Z1

Phone: 519-673-5440



-Mississauga-

The Source Within Ltd.

121 Lakeshore Road West

Mississauga, Ontario L5H 1E9

L5H 1E9

Phone: 905-271-8325

Fax: 905-271-2350



-N. Waterloo-

Holly Oak

24 Regina St. 

N. Waterloo, ON N2J3A1

Phone: 519-725-2681



-Orono-

Peddler's Cove

5331 Main St.

Orono, ON L0B1M0 

Phone: 905-983-9847



-Ottawa-

Dragon's Dream

460 Gladstone

Ottawa, ON K1R5N8

Phone: 613-567-0461



-Ottawa-

Hungry Eye

216 Dalhousie St

Ottawa, ON, Canada

Phone: (613)-789-7092



-Ottawa-

The Occult Shop 

593 1/2 Bank St.

Ottawa, ON K1S3T4 

Phone: 613-231-4138



-Toronto-

The Occult Shop 

109 Vaughan Rd. 

Toronto, ON M6C2L9 

Phone: 416-656-6564



-Toronto-

The Omega Centre

29 Yorkville Ave.

Toronto, ON M4W1L1

Phone: 416-975-9086



-Toronto-

Oracle

726 Queen St. W.

Toronto, ON M6J1E8 

Phone: 416-504-5951



-Toronto-

Orion Books

544 Yonge St.

Toronto, ON M4Y1Y8 

Phone: 416-923-5537



-Toronto-

Wonderworks

79A Harbord St.

Toronto, ON M5S1G4 

Phone: 416-975-8961



-Toronto-

Psychic Centre &amp; Book Shop

2906 Danforth Ave.

Toronto, ON M4C1M1

Phone: 416-691-3335



**QUEBEC**



-Montreal-

Le Melange Magique/The Magical Blend 

1928 St. Catherine Street West

Montreal, Quebec H3H-1M4

Phone: 514-938-1458

Fax: 514-486-9190

Email: aubin@themagicalblend.com

WWW: http://www.themagicalblend.com



This page, and all contents, are Copyright (C) 1996 by me: queen@monmouth.com,

Ocean Township, New Jersey.



*** End of List ***





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need Info on colonics

From: Jonta <mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 14:59:35 -0500





Does anyone have any info on colonics.  Is it useful; is it necessary;

what does it do for you; how many times do you have to have it done; etc.

Any info would be helpful, thanks.



*******************************************************************************

			     Marie Jonta Williams 

		     University of Maryland Baltimore County 

		B.S. Mathematics, Concentration:Operations Research

			     mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu

*******************************************************************************









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Info on colonics

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 05:02:42 GMT



In article <Pine.SGI.3.95.961103145805.21364C-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>,

   Jonta <mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:

>

>Does anyone have any info on colonics.  Is it useful; is it necessary;

>what does it do for you; how many times do you have to have it done; etc.

>Any info would be helpful, thanks.

>

>*****************************************************************************

**

>			     Marie Jonta Williams 

>		     University of Maryland Baltimore County 

>		B.S. Mathematics, Concentration:Operations Research

>			     mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu

>*****************************************************************************

**

>

>

Hello,

   I worked in a health food store that gave these colonics.They are not 

necessary or even safe.If the practitioner is anything less than sterile you 

can have some nasty repercussions.If you feel you must get this type of 

cleaning out do it at home with an enema bag.There are many references in herb 

books for this and you can use a nice herbal solution and save a ton of money 

too.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs to start labor?

From: Kelly <griffy@bherald.infi.net>

Date: 3 Nov 1996 21:14:24 GMT



Is there any safe, natural thing I can take to get labor to hurry up and 

start? I'm past my due date and really ready to get this started.



Any suggestions? Please e-mail. Thanks.



griffy@bherald.infi.net







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to start labor?

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 04:39:32 GMT



In article <55j1vg$kt7@nw101.infi.net>, Kelly <griffy@bherald.infi.net> wrote:

>Is there any safe, natural thing I can take to get labor to hurry up and 

>start? I'm past my due date and really ready to get this started.

>

>Any suggestions? Please e-mail. Thanks.

>

>griffy@bherald.infi.net

>



Hi,

  I know it's not fun to feel like you're 24 months pregnant,but if there is 

no medically urgent reason why you should have your baby you should not try to 

rush it.Due dates are guesstimates and it's better for your baby the longer 

he/she can develop in the womb.Also would depend on how far overdue you 

are.What does your practitioner say?Have you discussed this with him/her?You 

might consider having a serious discussion about this before you try to induce 

labor.Besides labor is not that easy to induce without seriously you or the 

baby so think about it!Best wishes from me for both you and the baby-

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to start labor?

From: kestevens2@aol.com (KEStevens2)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 20:32:48 -0500



In article <55p0vl$tln@tkhut.sojourn.com>, sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen

Jahner) writes:



>  I know it's not fun to feel like you're 24 months pregnant,but if there

is 

>no medically urgent reason why you should have your baby you should not

try

>to 

>rush it.Due dates are guesstimates and it's better for your baby the

longer 

>he/she can develop in the womb.



This is not always true. My son was born *on* his due date, but apparently

had been ready previously, as he had passed meconium in the womb about a

week before he was born.



>Also would depend on how far overdue you 

>are.What does your practitioner say?Have you discussed this with

him/her?You 

>might consider having a serious discussion about this before you try to

>induce 

>labor.



If you have an allopathic practitioner, you're not likely to get anywhere.

However, my midwife was very accommodating and suggested some other,

non-herbal, ideas for stimulating contractions.



>Besides labor is not that easy to induce without seriously you or the 

>baby so think about it!



That's not true! There are several things that will induce labor if you're

body is ready for it, and they're safer than many over-the-counter drugs

that people take while pregnant. For instance, an OB or midwife can strip

the membranes. That usually starts contractions.





 /\ _ /\

( * ^ * )          KAT

(__|__)~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to start labor?

From: wolfenhnd@aol.com (Wolfenhnd)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 22:55:56 -0500



I can't offer any herbs to start labor, but a friend of mine (mother of 5)

claimed that washing the bathroom floor on her hands and knees always

started labor for her...fairly safe to try unless you have a very small

bathroom and no one to help you back to your feet.  Take your phone in

with you so you can dial 911 when you get wedged in by the toilet.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to start labor?

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 96 02:08:45 GMT



In article <55re80$gel@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

   kestevens2@aol.com (KEStevens2) wrote:

>In article <55p0vl$tln@tkhut.sojourn.com>, sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen

>Jahner) writes:

>

>>  I know it's not fun to feel like you're 24 months pregnant,but if there

>is 

>>no medically urgent reason why you should have your baby you should not

>try

>>to 

>>rush it.Due dates are guesstimates and it's better for your baby the

>longer 

>>he/she can develop in the womb.

>

>This is not always true. My son was born *on* his due date, but apparently

>had been ready previously, as he had passed meconium in the womb about a

>week before he was born.

>

>>Also would depend on how far overdue you 

>>are.What does your practitioner say?Have you discussed this with

>him/her?You 

>>might consider having a serious discussion about this before you try to

>>induce 

>>labor.

>

>If you have an allopathic practitioner, you're not likely to get anywhere.

>However, my midwife was very accommodating and suggested some other,

>non-herbal, ideas for stimulating contractions.

>

>>Besides labor is not that easy to induce without seriously you or the 

>>baby so think about it!

>

>That's not true! There are several things that will induce labor if you're

>body is ready for it, and they're safer than many over-the-counter drugs

>that people take while pregnant. For instance, an OB or midwife can strip

>the membranes. That usually starts contractions.

>

>

> /\ _ /\

>( * ^ * )          KAT

>(__|__)~~~





Kat,

  I agree that most allopathic docs think nothing of letting a woman suffer 

for long periods of time.Also I know there are non drug ways to induce labor 

and I can't argue against their validity in some cases.Of course scraping the 

cervical plug will start labor.It will anytime within the gestation period.

  The due date is still a guesstimate; a baby being born on the exact date 

means only that he was ready,not that the due date was necessarily an exact 

calculation.This is just what I have found to be true in my clinical 

experience,albeit I don't work the 'baby' dept. as much anymore!

   BTW, what are the midwives doing most often these days? Were you induced?If 

I had another baby now I would definitely go with a midwife!

Barbara,interested and opinionated but always eager to learn more!(smile) 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to start labor?

From: kestevens2@aol.com

Date: 9 Nov 1996 22:43:22 GMT



In article <560l8v$fm2@tkhut.sojourn.com>, sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen

Jahner) writes:



>  The due date is still a guesstimate; a baby being born on the exact

date 

>means only that he was ready,not that the due date was necessarily an

exact 

>calculation.This is just what I have found to be true in my clinical 

>experience,albeit I don't work the 'baby' dept. as much anymore!



True that the date is only a guesstimate. Of course, it helps when they've

got an *exact* date of conception (which I had, my son being a one-shot

conception). My point was that just because your body hasn't gone into

labor, it doesn't mean that the baby isn't *ready* to be born. There are a

lot of factors that come into play.



>   BTW, what are the midwives doing most often these days? Were you

>induced?If 



My son was born last December in Oregon and while my midwife was willing

to induce (her suggestion was stripping the membranes) if I got a week or

so past my due date, she didn't need to. I induced myself with blue cohosh

because I felt that it was time to give birth. I wouldn't recommend other

people necessarily making that evaluation without the approval of their

doctor or midwife, but I'm *really* in tune with my body and felt that it

was necessary at that time. Come to find out I was right. Lucky that I

chose to have him in a hospital rather than at home (which I'd seriously

considered) because he aspirated meconium and would have had problems if

they hadn't been able to suction him and dump him into an incubator (there

were some other problems, too).



This time around (she said, planning to be pregnant by February) I'm not

going to a midwife, mostly because I'm no longer in Oregon and my primary

care physician is actually a PA (physician's assistant) who agrees with my

philosophies regarding herbs vs. allopathic medication, etc. She and I

have really clicked, so I'm going to stay with her for the duration. She

can't actually deliver the baby, but the OB she works with is also very

open and has already agreed to no I.V. (unless an emergency arises), etc.

However, if I didn't have a doctor I liked and trusted, I'd go back to

midwives in an instant.



Whew! 



Kat (who everyone now knows *much* better than they wanted <g>)



 /\ _ /\

( * ^ * )          KAT

(__|__)~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to start labor?

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 19:16:40 GMT



In <55j1vg$kt7@nw101.infi.net> Kelly <griffy@bherald.infi.net> writes: 

>

>Is there any safe, natural thing I can take to get labor to hurry up

and 

>start? I'm past my due date and really ready to get this started.

>

>Any suggestions? Please e-mail. Thanks.

>

>griffy@bherald.infi.net

>



When I was attending lamaze classes with my second child, someone

brought in some raspberry leaf tea for us to try. Because I had been

having short spurts of premature labor, I wasn't allowed to have any.



I don't think this will get labor started before it's ready but I've

read that it WILL help make it shorter and easier.......



Good Luck!!



Cookie







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to start labor?

From: Shannon Brophy <shannon@yoga.com>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:41:30 -0500



Charlene M Pieczonka wrote:

> 

> In <55j1vg$kt7@nw101.infi.net> Kelly <griffy@bherald.infi.net> writes:

> >

> >Is there any safe, natural thing I can take to get labor to hurry up

> and

> >start? I'm past my due date and really ready to get this started.

> >

> >Any suggestions? Please e-mail. Thanks.

> >

> >griffy@bherald.infi.net

> >



You could try applying borage oil to the cervix, or put a capsule in

vaginally every night. Nipple stimulation (20 min. at a time with a

breast pump) or rubbing them can help. Eat hot spicy food. Castor oil

is a last resort that can work- 2 oz. with o.j. every hour for a total

of 3 hours with 3 doses. Blue and black cohosh tincture together is good

but not if you have high blood pressure. Take a dropperful of each every

hour.  Take both tinctures for it to work safely and effectively.



-- 

Best wishes and luck,

Shannon Brophy

Certified Midwife

_____________________________________________________________________

 For information on Yoga, Massage and Bodywork, and Natural Healing  

               or to browse Holistic Products to order

      visit the Roots & Wings Website at http://www.yoga.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to start labor?

From: kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

Date: 7 Nov 1996 16:48:54 GMT





When you are ready to start labor, it's OK to take all the herbs

you were NOT supposed to take during pregnancy.  Some of the good

ones to use are Clary Sage, Tansy, Mugwort, and Fennel.  Essential

oil of Clary Sage has also been used with great success by people

I know to speed up delivery.

Bright Blessings!

Kamala

--

Kamala Perfumes Inc.: your complete aromatherapy and herbal

supplier...E-mail us for more info., or check our Website at

http://www.kamala.com/kamala.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to start labor?

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:47:32 +0000



In article <55j1vg$kt7@nw101.infi.net>, Kelly <griffy@bherald.infi.net>

writes

>Is there any safe, natural thing I can take to get labor to hurry up and 

>start? I'm past my due date and really ready to get this started.

>

>Any suggestions? Please e-mail. Thanks.

>

>griffy@bherald.infi.net

>



Yes there are herbs, and no I would not recomend any one of them, Try

taking Raspberry leaf tea, it tones up the Womb, and that might help you

during labour, Babys that are late are quite often late for a reason,

Either you have miscallculated your dates, often if it is a first child,

they tend to take their time, if the doctors thought there were any

problems they would start your labour  beleive me, I know how impatient

you are to hold your new baby in your arms, but are you so impatient

that you would risk damaging your baby,or yourself, It will not be long,

just relax and let mother nature take her own course.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help with detoxification of the body

From: italialu@aol.com (Italialu)

Date: 3 Nov 1996 19:41:38 -0500



I am looking for the best way to detoxify the body.  I am new to this and

need advice.  Thanks.



Italialu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with detoxification of the body

From: mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 21:47:28 -0700



Bernard Jensen is THE expert on detox - starting with the colon.  You 

should have good results following his protocols. 

mjg



On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, mk95528 wrote:



> >I am looking for the best way to detoxify the body.  I am new to this and

> >need advice.  Thanks.

> >

> >Italialu

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> 24360 OLD WAGON ROAD

> ESCONDIDO, CA 92027

> 619 749 2727 - 619 749 1248

> 

> Order the "movie" and "book" called "Tissue Cleansing Through Bowel

> Management.

> 

> Sincerely;

> 

> Margie

> http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm

> Margie's Rare Books and Plant Clipart on CD

> 

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with detoxification of the body

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 19:19:24 GMT



In <55je42$h4r@newsbf02.news.aol.com> italialu@aol.com (Italialu)

writes: 

>

>I am looking for the best way to detoxify the body.  I am new to this

and

>need advice.  Thanks.

>

>Italialu





Drink LOTS of water!! I have a habit of trashing my entire system on

the weekends - too much fast food, beer, soda, etc.



So on Monday and for most of the week I drink lots and lots of WATER!!



And I always feel much BETTER along about Wednesday.......



Until I get stupid and start it all over again.....



Cookie







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with detoxification of the body

From: kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

Date: 7 Nov 1996 16:53:07 GMT





One of the best detoxifiers I know of is Chapparal.  A tea made

with a tblespoon of Chapparal taken three times a day will clear

just about anything out of your body.  The FDA tried to take this

herb off the market a while ago, but they didn't succeed.  You

may have problems getting ahold of it anyway though.  If you need

a source, contact me.  I sell it and have plenty to go around.

Bright Blessings,

Kamala

--

Kamala Perfumes Inc.: your complete aromatherapy and herbal

supplier...E-mail us for more info., or check our Website at

http://www.kamala.com/kamala.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with detoxification of the body

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (tom c.)

Date: 8 Nov 1996 23:54:33 GMT



In message <55t45j$9b4@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> -

kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass) writes:

]

]

]One of the best detoxifiers I know of is Chapparal.  A tea made

]with a tblespoon of Chapparal taken three times a day will clear

]just about anything out of your body.  The FDA tried to take this

]herb off the market a while ago, but they didn't succeed.  You

]may have problems getting ahold of it anyway though.  If you need

]a source, contact me.  I sell it and have plenty to go around.

]Bright Blessings,

]Kamala

]--

]Kamala Perfumes Inc.: your complete aromatherapy and herbal

]supplier...E-mail us for more info., or check our Website at

]http://www.kamala.com/kamala.html





You mean people are actually paying money for that stuff that is

burning in California ?????



Gee I wonder if it was harvested, the fires wouldn't start...hey

this is pure ecology.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with detoxification of the body

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:12:01 GMT



italialu@aol.com (Italialu) wrote:



>I am looking for the best way to detoxify the body.  I am new to this and

>need advice.  Thanks.



The easiest way is to take an (inexpensive) supplement by Nature's 

Herbs called Red Clover Combination.  It is sold in many health food

store.  Nature's Herbs and Solaray both make acceptable combinations

as well. Taken at recommended dosage for a couple of months it will

work well for intestinal, lymphatic, and liver detox.  Add milk

thistle extract for faster results.  For kidney and gallstones, as

well as arthritic deposits and high blood pressure, see my post called

Diet and Supplement Tips and follow the Stones and Crystals regimen.

If there are intestinal problems, do the Digestion/Elimination,

followed by the antiparasitic regimens if desired.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with detoxification of the body

From: a0014571@dsks52.itg.ti.com (Bob Ratliff)

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 22:35:06 GMT



In article <56nsv4$23k@camel1.mindspring.com>,

   turf@mindspring.com (turf) wrote:

>italialu@aol.com (Italialu) wrote:

>

>>I am looking for the best way to detoxify the body.  I am new to this and

>>need advice.  Thanks.

>

>The easiest way is to take an (inexpensive) supplement by Nature's 

>Herbs called Red Clover Combination.  It is sold in many health food

>store.  Nature's Herbs and Solaray both make acceptable combinations

>as well. Taken at recommended dosage for a couple of months it will

>work well for intestinal, lymphatic, and liver detox.  Add milk

>thistle extract for faster results.  For kidney and gallstones, as

>well as arthritic deposits and high blood pressure, see my post called

>Diet and Supplement Tips and follow the Stones and Crystals regimen.

>If there are intestinal problems, do the Digestion/Elimination,

>followed by the antiparasitic regimens if desired.

>

>turf

>





Another way is to drink carrot juice.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with detoxification of the body

From: cygnusx@aol.com

Date: 29 Nov 1996 22:08:18 GMT



Try fasting.  Allow your body to detoxify itself





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux

From: pdsd@ultranet.ca

Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 16:55:08 -0800



The ENT surgeon I saw about a chronic hight-time cough diagnosed reflux

and gave me the following list of helpful hints.  While none of these

are herbal, they cerainly helped.



	Don't eat or drink within two hours of retiring.

	Don't drink carbonated beverages.

	Don't take caffeine.

	Avoid red meat, if not altogether at least at the evening meal

	Take 1 tbsp of a liguid antacid just before bed

	Raise the head of your bed 3-6" on blocks

	Sleep on your _right_ side

	If you are overweight, try to lighten up

	Try eating smaller meals, more often 



	I never could tolerate sleeping in a sloping bed, but the rest of these

hints worked well. If I wake with a burning throat, I roll onto my right

side; works like a charm.



	Good Health,  Sherri





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for heartburn/reflux

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:49:33 +0000



In article <327D3EC7.4038@ultranet.ca>, pdsd@ultranet.ca writes

>The ENT surgeon I saw about a chronic hight-time cough diagnosed reflux

>and gave me the following list of helpful hints.  While none of these

>are herbal, they cerainly helped.

>

>       Don't eat or drink within two hours of retiring.

>       Don't drink carbonated beverages.

>       Don't take caffeine.

>       Avoid red meat, if not altogether at least at the evening meal

>       Take 1 tbsp of a liguid antacid just before bed

>       Raise the head of your bed 3-6" on blocks

>       Sleep on your _right_ side

>       If you are overweight, try to lighten up

>       Try eating smaller meals, more often 

>

>       I never could tolerate sleeping in a sloping bed, but the rest of these

>hints worked well. If I wake with a burning throat, I roll onto my right

>side; works like a charm.

>

>       Good Health,  Sherri



I would add fresh bread to that list Sherri, much as I love it, I can

count on it giving me dreadfull heartburn every time.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Natural or herbal hair color?

From: paldek@ix.netcom.com (Marc Plainguet)

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 01:53:08 GMT



I am wondering if anyone knows any natural or herbal ways to color/dye

your hair. Any help is appreciated. Thank you.



- Marc Plainguet



==============================================================

"Because it's fun!" - Benjamin D. Katz

==============================================================





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Natural or herbal hair color?

From: Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives)

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 07:56:40 GMT



For natural dyes, Henna is one.  



An herbal way to restore color to the hair is the herb He Shou Wu

(Radix Polygoni Multiflorum).  The Chinese have used it to keep their

hair from graying and also to nourish the hair.  Some of the

testimonials on one brand of HSWcalled "Shen Min Hair Nutrient" were

submitted by people who were formerly gray.





paldek@ix.netcom.com (Marc Plainguet) said:



>I am wondering if anyone knows any natural or herbal ways to color/dye

>your hair. Any help is appreciated. Thank you.



>- Marc Plainguet



>==============================================================

>"Because it's fun!" - Benjamin D. Katz

>==============================================================



---------------------------------------------------

   __                 -Hey! Who's been puttin'

  /___                     their Kools out on my

  ___/CORPION 1999            floor?

-----------------------===-------------------------







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Natural or herbal hair color?

From: byrnes@melb.alexia.net.au (Vanessa Meachen)

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 96 14:58:41 GMT



In article <327d4c47.3532352@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, paldek@ix.netcom.com (Marc 

Plainguet) wrote:

>I am wondering if anyone knows any natural or herbal ways to color/dye

>your hair. Any help is appreciated. Thank you.

>



Henna is the main one, and the only one that'll make a major difference; most 

other herbal preparations have to be used for some time before they seem to 

make much difference, and apart from henna most of them will be more of a tint 

or highlight, not a strong colour. 



Camomile or marigold infusions, or diluted lemon juice, is supposed to 

lighten/brighten fair hair, and strong sage infusion, or ordinary black tea,  

are supposed to darken hair. The infusions should be poured over the hair 

several times after washing, and not rinsed out. I've also heard of rich brown 

hair dye being made from the green outer husks of unripe walnuts, pounded, 

soaked for a few days, and then simmered several hours.



I haven't tried any of these except the tea, which I used a lot when I was a 

teenager and which gave my hair nice dark auburn tones.



Vanessa.





Come and visit Vanessa's Pagan Page.

Paganism, herbs, literature and cult TV. Updated weekly.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6707/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Natural or herbal hair color?

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:51:03 +0000



In article <327d4c47.3532352@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, Marc Plainguet

<paldek@ix.netcom.com> writes

>I am wondering if anyone knows any natural or herbal ways to color/dye

>your hair. Any help is appreciated. Thank you.

>

>- Marc Plainguet

>

>==============================================================

>"Because it's fun!" - Benjamin D. Katz

>==============================================================



Calomine hair wash for fair hair, Oak, beech, give hair a brown red

colour, walnut makes it very dark brown,

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Natural or herbal hair color?

From: Danielle Lessard <intert@infobahnos.com>

Date: 10 Nov 1996 16:38:10 GMT



I have used henna for years. My natural hair colour is light brown, and 

henna turns it red. If your hair is a darker brown, it will make it 

auburn. You can buy it in powder form at the drug or health-food store, 

and mix it with water into a paste which is then applied to hair. 



I buy mine in a kit which includes two small bags of powdered henna, two 

vinyl caps for your head while the henna works (15 to 20 minutes) and two 

pair of vinyl gloves. Works great!



Blessed be,



Danielle







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: yeast

From: lloyd hooper <hoops@intergate.bc.ca>

Date: 4 Nov 1996 03:08:39 GMT



What is the best way to get rid of candida albicans??







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: yeast

From: jcorn@mortimer.com (Jerry Cornelius)

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 03:02:29 GMT



lloyd hooper <hoops@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:



>What is the best way to get rid of candida albicans??



it depends on your environment, diet, symptoms, ect. Check out ''The

Yeast Connection'' by Crook, ''The Yeast Syndrom''.

Additionaly, acidophilus, pau d'arco(tea) , goldenseal, echineacia.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: yeast

From: Greenrey <greenrey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 20:47:26 -0800



> >What is the best way to get rid of candida albicans??

> 

> it depends on your environment, diet, symptoms, ect. Check out ''The

> Yeast Connection'' by Crook, ''The Yeast Syndrom''.

> Additionaly, acidophilus, pau d'arco(tea) , goldenseal, echineacia.



Also check spilanthes usnea--an excellent anti-fungal.

-- 

"Be ashamed to die until you have won

 some victory for mankind."

		--Horace Mann, 1859

The time is NOW!  Do your part.

greenrey@worldnet.att.net    -or-    awynnhi@kes.miracosta.cc.ca.us

Visit Greenrey's Study at:  http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1982/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: yeast

From: gypsy@someherb.com

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 19:03:25 -0700





use milk with acidophilus (doesn't really matter what fat % content the milk

has) for any yeast infection.

 

if your infection is vaginal, then warm the milk in a microwave for about 30

seconds, just to take the refrigerated chill off, and then pour into a douche

bag (or...i empty the disposable plastic douche containers) and proceed to

douche...BUT LEAVE THE MILK INSIDE.

 

for me, it works the first time...even if the yeast infection was caused by

taking antibiotics.

 

good luck.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Antibiotics

From: tenclayt@Central.edu

Date: 4 Nov 1996 05:17:31 GMT



I've had a tooth ache for a while, and it's probably an infection.

I'm due to get it taken care of over x-mas break, but would like to

kill it off for a while until then.  



Last time I took some antibiotics that killed it (at least mostly) for

over 2 months.  



Does anyone know of an over-the-counter (preferably easily attainable) 

herbal antibiotic that I can get a hold of.  I'm not worried about bad

taste. 



I'm a college student, so fundage is a little low, and I live in S. Central

Iowa if that makes a difference.





Thanks a lot!

   ~Tim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Antibiotics

From: sellis@onlineaccess.com (sara)

Date: 4 Nov 1996 22:37:07 GMT



In article <55ju9b$e1j@news.iastate.edu>, tenclayt@Central.edu says...

>

>I've had a tooth ache for a while, and it's probably an infection.

>I'm due to get it taken care of over x-mas break, but would like to

>kill it off for a while until then.  

>

>Last time I took some antibiotics that killed it (at least mostly) for

>over 2 months.  

>

>Does anyone know of an over-the-counter (preferably easily attainable) 

>herbal antibiotic that I can get a hold of.  I'm not worried about bad

>taste. 

>

>I'm a college student, so fundage is a little low, and I live in S. Central

>Iowa if that makes a difference.

>

>

>Thanks a lot!

>   ~Tim





Check out this page:



http://www.mothernature.com/echin.htm



(I'm not affiliated w/them in any way, just found it randomly.)



Also check out http://www.drweil.com, do a search in the database for 

echinacea (Echinacea purpurea). It's considered a natural antibiotic, and it 

gets rid of my sinus infections super quickly.



Good stuff!  Good luck!



--sara







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: sara <sellis@onlineaccess.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Antibiotics

From: "James A.L.Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.," <dussault@gte.net>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 14:18:41 -0500



sara wrote:

> 

> In article <55ju9b$e1j@news.iastate.edu>, tenclayt@Central.edu says...

> >

> >I've had a tooth ache for a while, and it's probably an infection.

> >I'm due to get it taken care of over x-mas break, but would like to

> >kill it off for a while until then.

> >

> >Last time I took some antibiotics that killed it (at least mostly) for

> >over 2 months.

> >

> >Does anyone know of an over-the-counter (preferably easily attainable)

> >herbal antibiotic that I can get a hold of.  I'm not worried about bad

> >taste.

> >

> >I'm a college student, so fundage is a little low, and I live in S. Central

> >Iowa if that makes a difference.

> >

> >

> >Thanks a lot!

> >   ~Tim

> 

> Check out this page:

> 

> http://www.mothernature.com/echin.htm

> 

> (I'm not affiliated w/them in any way, just found it randomly.)

> 

> Also check out http://www.drweil.com, do a search in the database for

> echinacea (Echinacea purpurea). It's considered a natural antibiotic, and it

> gets rid of my sinus infections super quickly.

> 

> Good stuff!  Good luck!

> 

> --sara



ONLY  Fresh Garlic is your best bet. This antibiotic is a gift form god 

the cost about  $1.00.  Crush one clove add five tbsp water hold in 

mouth one min, then let the stuff go down into your tummy.  Then repeat 

for five min. Do this four times a day. 



James A.L. Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.,





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Antibiotics

From: neth@cyberway.com.sg

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:28:41 GMT



"James A.L.Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.," <dussault@gte.net> wrote:



>sara wrote:

>> 

>> In article <55ju9b$e1j@news.iastate.edu>, tenclayt@Central.edu says...

>> >

>> >I've had a tooth ache for a while, and it's probably an infection.

>> >I'm due to get it taken care of over x-mas break, but would like to

>> >kill it off for a while until then.

>> >

>> >Last time I took some antibiotics that killed it (at least mostly) for

>> >over 2 months.

>> >

>> >Does anyone know of an over-the-counter (preferably easily attainable)

>> >herbal antibiotic that I can get a hold of.  I'm not worried about bad

>> >taste.

>> >

>> >I'm a college student, so fundage is a little low, and I live in S. Central

>> >Iowa if that makes a difference.

>> >

>> >

>> >Thanks a lot!

>> >   ~Tim

>> 

>> Check out this page:

>> 

>> http://www.mothernature.com/echin.htm

>> 

>> (I'm not affiliated w/them in any way, just found it randomly.)

>> 

>> Also check out http://www.drweil.com, do a search in the database for

>> echinacea (Echinacea purpurea). It's considered a natural antibiotic, and it

>> gets rid of my sinus infections super quickly.

>> 

>> Good stuff!  Good luck!

>> 

>> --sara



>ONLY  Fresh Garlic is your best bet. This antibiotic is a gift form god 

>the cost about  $1.00.  Crush one clove add five tbsp water hold in 

>mouth one min, then let the stuff go down into your tummy.  Then repeat 

>for five min. Do this four times a day. 



>James A.L. Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.,





You may not believe this but a simple and safe herbal remedy -- yes a

natural antibiotic -- save me from a very painful  tooth infection  on

a holiday when the dentists in my neighbourhood were not available.



The remedy was passed down from my elders . It saved my grandmother

from a similar infection -- her whole gum was inflammed --  which she

got after a tooth extraction at the dentist .



The formula :   Boil 100 grams of Chrysanthemum flower and 70 grams of

Peppermint leaves. Drink the tea for a few days.  It will cure the

toothache or tooth infection.





Regards. 



Ken













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Antibiotics

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 04:41:04 GMT



In article <55ju9b$e1j@news.iastate.edu>, tenclayt@Central.edu wrote:

>I've had a tooth ache for a while, and it's probably an infection.

>I'm due to get it taken care of over x-mas break, but would like to

>kill it off for a while until then.  

>

>Last time I took some antibiotics that killed it (at least mostly) for

>over 2 months.  

>

>Does anyone know of an over-the-counter (preferably easily attainable) 

>herbal antibiotic that I can get a hold of.  I'm not worried about bad

>taste. 

>

>I'm a college student, so fundage is a little low, and I live in S. Central

>Iowa if that makes a difference.

>

>

>Thanks a lot!

>   ~Tim



My first suggestion is Echinacea,it's not expensive and fairly easily 

available.Rinse your mouth out with salt water and then honey mixed in a 

little warm water.(honey has antibacterial properties)However if there is any 

swelling or discharge please do see a dentist and take the prescription 

antibiotic,at least until it's a bit better.You don't want to fool around with 

a badly infected tooth,especially if it's an upper.

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Antibiotics

From: ccjs@cse.bris.ac.uk (J. G. Simpson)

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 09:44:58 GMT



My first experience with Echinacea was for a gum abcess.  In

spite of antibiotics I lost a tooth on one side.  When its

mirror got tender, squishy and horrible tasting I turned to

Echinacea out of desperation (not really expecting it to

work).  That was some 10 yrs ago, it gets twingy about once

a year, and a short course of Echinacea fixes it.  Since

then I've found that Echinacea beats antibiotics hands down

for stopping colds and flu in their tracks.  I can be surrounded

by people going down with rotten colds etc, whereas with

a short course of Echinacea I don't seem to catch the cold/flu,

or if I do I don't get the symptoms.  The doseage that works for

me is half to one teaspoonful of the ground dried herb up to

four times a day, for 10 days max.  I've tried infusions,

decoctions, and tinctures of Echinacea, but they don't seem

to work as effectively.  I mix my (coffee mill) ground Echinacea

with bran (also good for you) and suspend in a carbonated drink.

There is also an Echinacea based formulation for infection in

Hoffman's Holistic Herbal.  If it works for you, Echinacea should

alleviate the symptoms in about 3 days, and substantially clear

the infection in about a week.  I'm now growing my own to get fresh

herb for drying. 

 

Stephen Jahner (sjahner@sojourn.com) wrote:

: In article <55ju9b$e1j@news.iastate.edu>, tenclayt@Central.edu wrote:

: >I've had a tooth ache for a while, and it's probably an infection.

: >I'm due to get it taken care of over x-mas break, but would like to

: >kill it off for a while until then.  

: >

: >Last time I took some antibiotics that killed it (at least mostly) for

: >over 2 months.  

: >

: >Does anyone know of an over-the-counter (preferably easily attainable) 

: >herbal antibiotic that I can get a hold of.  I'm not worried about bad

: >taste. 

: >

: >I'm a college student, so fundage is a little low, and I live in S. Central

: >Iowa if that makes a difference.

: >

: >

: >Thanks a lot!

: >   ~Tim

: 

: My first suggestion is Echinacea,it's not expensive and fairly easily 

: available.Rinse your mouth out with salt water and then honey mixed in a 

: little warm water.(honey has antibacterial properties)However if there is any 

: swelling or discharge please do see a dentist and take the prescription 

: antibiotic,at least until it's a bit better.You don't want to fool around with 

: a badly infected tooth,especially if it's an upper.

: Barbara



-- 

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



-------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Antibiotics

From: strflwr@usit.net

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 11:21:50 GMT



Between now and your dentist appointment, try Clove Essential Oil.

This is an extremely old remedy for toothaches & clove oil is also

antiseptic so there may be something to it.  One or two drops of Clove

EO right on the tooth, or if it is too awkward, use a Q-tip (put the

oil on the Q-tip, rub on the tooth & gum).  Will probably sting.

Tastes really strong, you won't want to guzzle the stuff!!!  Won't

hurt you.  In fact, your dentist probably uses the stuff.  Mine does,

I think it is in the stuff he wipes the gum with before putting in the

Novacaine.  I can't remember for sure, but do remember smelling Clove

EO and teasing him about it!  Don't take this as an excuse not to go

to the dentist.       -------Jo







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alternative Medicine:  New Paradigm or National Psychosis?

From: b4ru@aloha.com

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 07:39:12 GMT



Is alternative medicine a cornucopia of wonderful remedies ignored and

suppressed by the medical establishment?  Or is it a clever marketing

concept, Orwellian linguistic trick that gives instant

pseudocredibility to worthless snake oils and mystical nostrums?

	

	Does the rapidly-growing acceptance of alternative medicine represent

a positive paradigm shift, as proponents claim, or a form of mass

delusion, as rationalists fear?



	Because the media have behaved like a gaggle of obedient lap dogs to

alternative medicine, the industry has had a free ride for more than a

decade.  But now the sacred cow piata of alternative medicine has

been cracked open.  All the sacred cows within, the scores of medical

cults that make up alternative medicine, will be exposed to the light

of  rational inquiry by health care professional, educators, students,

attorneys, insurance adjusters, and the general public.



	The debate will finally begin in earnest.  National distribution of

the video and participation in the writing contest associated with it,

ensure that alternative medicine's free ride is over.  The industry

will find it harder and harder to win by default because no one is

paying attention.



	The best viewer feedback to the video, both pro and con, will be

published in a book titled, The Alternative Medicine Debate Book.  A

minimum of $2,500.00 in cash prizes will be awarded, half to writers

on each side of the issue.



	Call for a brochure or visit our web site for details and rules:  

1-800-422-4900

http://www.hawaii-aloha.com/hwp













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alternative Medicine:  New Paradigm or National Psychosis?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 16:38:49 GMT



On Mon, 04 Nov 1996 07:39:12 GMT, in alt.folklore.herbs b4ru@aloha.com wrote:



>Is alternative medicine a cornucopia of wonderful remedies ignored and

>suppressed by the medical establishment?  Or is it a clever marketing

>concept, Orwellian linguistic trick that gives instant

>pseudocredibility to worthless snake oils and mystical nostrums?

(snip)

>	The debate will finally begin in earnest.  National distribution of

>the video and participation in the writing contest associated with it,



So how much does this video cost? If you take any money at all then this seems

like a scam to get as many as possible to buy it. 

Yech.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alternative Medicine:  New Paradigm or National Psychosis?

From: Devorah Slavin <dslavin@emory.edu>

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 19:29:02 -0500



b4ru@aloha.com wrote:

> 

> Is alternative medicine a cornucopia of wonderful remedies ignored and

> suppressed by the medical establishment?  Or is it a clever marketing

> concept, Orwellian linguistic trick that gives instant

> pseudocredibility to worthless snake oils and mystical nostrums?



Is this message a cornucopia of linguistic spam or is it a pseudobabble

marketing concept by an oily snake who mystically misused the term

Orwellian?

> 



> 



-- 

Devorah Slavin      ^ ^

Emory University    ~ ~

dslavin@emory.edu   >*<





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alternative Medicine:  New Paradigm or National Psychosis?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 5 Nov 1996 19:37:36 -0500



Ignoring all the babble of the original post, I still think the title is

rather interesting.  For one thing, "alternative" medicine is actually an

old paradigm, with the history of homeopathy (to mention one branch)

stretching back to the 18th century.  As for acupuncture (another branch),

it's far older than what we call allopathy.



Also interesting I think is the tendency of the media to report on the

extremes of alternative medicine.  I saw a recent report on ABC that dealt

largely with MDs who were practicing a variety of strange techniques

(often offshore) that bore as much resemblence to standard naturopathic

medicine as implanting baboon hearts resembles standard allopathic

medicine.  



What was lacking is a rational discussion of the strengths and weaknesses

of both sides of medical paridigm.  That seems to be improving. I hope

that the new medical clinic opened by King County (my local government)

that has both allopathic and naturopathic doctors on staff may set a new

standard where both sides learn from each other.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mulled Wine, and Cider

From: yosa@cjnetworks.com (Yosa Addiss)

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 09:14:41 GMT



I am planning a Solstice party, and want to serve mulled cider, and

wine.  I would like to make the mulling spices.  Any suggestions?









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mulled Wine, and Cider

From: alrida@aol.com

Date: 9 Nov 1996 02:07:26 GMT



In article <55k8r4$cke@topeka.cjnetworks.com>, yosa@cjnetworks.com (Yosa

Addiss) writes:



>

>I am planning a Solstice party, and want to serve mulled cider, and

>wine.  I would like to make the mulling spices.  Any suggestions?

>

>



Hi Yosa,



I don't have a recipe for mulling spices, but if you are haveing a

Solstice party and children are going to be attending I have a great treat

for them.



Try soft mead, this recipe comes from A Kitchen Witch's Cookbook by

Patricia Telesco and is easy to make.  I would love to tell you how to

make it but due to copy write laws I can't print it, try the library.



Good luck and have a great Solstice.



Blessed Be,

Alrida





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mulled Wine, and Cider

From: Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net>

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 09:50:21 -0600



alrida@aol.com wrote:

> 

> In article <55k8r4$cke@topeka.cjnetworks.com>, yosa@cjnetworks.com (Yosa

> Addiss) writes:

> 

> >

> >I am planning a Solstice party, and want to serve mulled cider, and

> >wine.  I would like to make the mulling spices.  Any suggestions?





Greetings,



I make my own.  I put it in the crockpot and let it simmer.  I put in

cinnamon sticks, some lemon juice (for tartness), whole cloves, and

maybe some brown sugar for sweetening.  Turns out great!



Karen B.

mailto:jbrim@prysm.net









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Mulled Wine, and Cider

From: byrnes@melb.alexia.net.au (Vanessa Meachen)

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 13:02:17 GMT



In article <3284A83D.4ED9@prysm.net>, Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net> wrote:

>alrida@aol.com wrote:

>> 

>> In article <55k8r4$cke@topeka.cjnetworks.com>, yosa@cjnetworks.com (Yosa

>> Addiss) writes:

>> 

>> >

>> >I am planning a Solstice party, and want to serve mulled cider, and

>> >wine.  I would like to make the mulling spices.  Any suggestions?

>

>

>Greetings,

>

>I make my own.  I put it in the crockpot and let it simmer.  I put in

>cinnamon sticks, some lemon juice (for tartness), whole cloves, and

>maybe some brown sugar for sweetening.  Turns out great!



I use red wine with some port added, and simmer gently with raisins, whole 

cloves, cinnamon sticks, a few slices of orange and a vanilla bean. It turns 

out sweet and spicy, and very warming!



Vanessa.



Come and visit Vanessa's Pagan Page.

Paganism, herbs, literature and cult TV. Updated weekly.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6707/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Info on Dragon Head-Phoenix Tail

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 4 Nov 1996 11:51:40 GMT



Personally, I do not use this expensive herb.



My friend who run a herb shop confirmed that this is another name for Fok

Shan Sek Hop   (sorry I cannot find the botanical name)  

mainly used for the nourishing of stomach yin  (fluid).



Usually the use of expensive herb can be substituted by less expensive

ones.  The point is the actual reason for your eyesight deterioration. 

Besides the eyes itself, what you should check is the condition of your

kidney and liver instead.  If you know what is going on and what is the

real reason, there is a lot of choice.



Chinese literature: "Ancient scholars learn for their own well being"

I learn TCM. I will not restrict myself by using only expensive herbs.



regards yklaw at jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com





Deb Martin <dlmartin@pcisys.net> wrote in article

<dlmartin-2910961942090001@frank70.pcisys.net>...

> Hi, ya'll. Just returned from Hong Kong and Macau where I visited a

couple

> of Chinese apothecaries. Due to the limitations of my Cantonese

> (non-existent), I wasn't able to understand much of what I was being told

> about this herb. It comes in a ball, about one inch in diameter, and

looks

> thready. The literature provided says, "Assists proper functioning of

> circulatory system, helps alleviate blood pressure. Counteracts constant

> thirst due to illness. Helps diabetics and people with eye disorders such

> as glaucoma, cataracts, myopia, blurred vision, watery eyes, and

hyperopia

> in the aged."

> 

> It was VERY expensive. Four "balls" were about $800 U.S. I think I

> understood that it would be ground up into powder and used as a tea. It

> smells like cinnamon.

> 

> Since my eyesight is deteriorating rapidly, I was tempted to purchase the

herb.

> 

> Has anyone heard of this? Any side-effects?

> 

> I would be interested in the botanical name of this herb, as well.

> 

> Post me email if you have info.

> 

> Thanks!

> 

> -- 

> She, who MUST be obeyed.

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Night vision (Usher's syndrome)

From: 00g0venugopa@bsuvc.bsu.edu

Date: 4 Nov 96 07:26:12 -0500



I am new to this thread and I want some advice.  My son has been

diagonised with Usher's Syndrome, a form of RP in the eye.  The

symptoms are no night vision, hearing loss, and the condition is

deteriotating.  It seems that there is no cure for this and eventually

he has to go blind. is there any one out there suggest some herbal

products or ancient medicine to correct this problem.  I will

appreciate your help.

Venugopal.

Please send mail to gvenugop@wp.bsu.edu







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Night vision (Usher's syndrome)

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 7 Nov 1996 04:11:35 GMT



According to TCM, Liver is closely related to eyes; Kidney is closely

related to ears; Liver and Kidney both belongs to the lower part and

closely related to one another.



Unbalance in Liver frequently express itself on the eyes; while Kidney on

the ears.  The unbalance can be in various forms and can be observed and

examined; or traced from the diet and lifestyle of the patient.



Indeed, there is still a possibility that it is an independent problem of

eyes and ears.



You can ask the Doctor to check not only the eyes and ears of your son but

also the condition of internal organs esp. on liver and kidney.



Should you need further advice on TCM, please inform me by email or post it

on the Nsgrp.



regards yklaw at jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com



00g0venugopa@bsuvc.bsu.edu wrote in article

<1996Nov4.072612.1@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu>...

> My son has been

> diagonised with Usher's Syndrome, a form of RP in the eye.  The

> symptoms are no night vision, hearing loss, and the condition is

> deteriotating.  It seems that there is no cure for this and eventually

> he has to go blind.  . . . .





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedies for Diarrhoea ??? One wonders

From: HAbadzi <HABADZI@worldbank.org>

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 10:21:04 -0500



Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha wrote:

> 

> Ayurvedic remedies include

> 1) triphala which corrects diarrhea or constipation while detoxing and

> toning the colon.

> 2) isabgol with cool water (found in Indian groceries)

> 3) avoid hot foods and spices like garlic, onions, wine, etc.

> For more information visit our website





Exactly what research evidence exists that these remedies work, Mr. 

Swami?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Macular Degeneration

From: Kathryn Hornbaker <Kathryn@net-experts.com>

Date: 4 Nov 1996 10:45:05 -0700



Here is a site on the Web that might interest you regarding eating

foods to help this eye disease.

https://www.imall.com/ads/data/P-821465338-g2nbde2t.html









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Macular Degeneration

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 5 Nov 1996 19:39:48 -0500



You might also look for the books of Meir Schneider, which deal with how

he used a variety of techniques, primarily self-massage, to improve his

own eyesight.  The title dealing with this in the most detail is

"Self-Healing: My Life & Vision."  



I'm not sure if it's still in print, but it should be available through

your local library.  I know it's been a couple of years since I read it.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: RAVENDNCR <ravendncr@aol.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Soy For Hot Flashes?

From: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 11:58:56 -0800



RAVENDNCR wrote:

> 

> Soy milk seems to be the preferred method of treatment.   The women whom

> I've discussed this with consume 8-16 ounces per day, half in the a.m.,

> half in the p.m.  As with any treatment, the dosage is very individual so

> you have to try a quantity, keep record of reactions/nonreactions and then

> adjust accordingly.

> 

> Documentation--well, these women have all had breast and/or

> hysterectomies.

> CRD



   India's Ayurvedic herbal system, the oldest healing system suggests

herbs like manjishtha, shatavari, and musta. We have formulated a

product for such symptoms.  Also hot foods and spices are to be

avoided...garlic, onions, peppers, etc.

   For more information check our website

http://www.holistic.com/listings/11709ac1.html

or email us for a free catalog

   Ayurveda Holistic Center





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rmemdies for Diarrhoea

From: pdsd@ultranet.ca

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 14:02:18 -0800



Friends,



	While this thread is still active, I wonder if anyone can help me with

a question about treating diarrhea.



	I was taught that during acute bouts of diarrhea, one should avoid

dairy products.  The rationale offered is that in acute illness of the

gut the enzyme that breaks down lactose is incapacitated, and so lactose

stays in the gut and acts as an osmotic draw to water.  Hence, until the

gut recovers, taking milk products will increase diarrhea.  Certainly,

my experience for years has been that putting someone on clear fluids or

just avoiding meat and dairy usually clears up the diarrhea associated

with acute infections within a day or two.



	However, more than one herbal I have read suggests boiling astringent

herbs in milk as a remedy for diarrhea.



	Does anyone know the rationale for this, or whether there is a way

these seeming contradictions can be reconciled?	



	Thanks, Sherri





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Remedy for toothache or tooth infection

From: "Vito Marolda" <maroldav@mbox.vol.it>

Date: 4 Nov 1996 22:48:41 GMT



Isn't there any Homeopatic remedy to such tooth diseases?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Remedy for toothache or tooth infection

From: J. Heuer <netsmurf@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 04:07:28 GMT



In article <01bbcaa2$887fa500$4a3aa6c2@maroldav.vol.it>,

	"Vito Marolda" <maroldav@mbox.vol.it> wrote:



>Isn't there any Homeopatic remedy to such tooth diseases?



 Yes, Oil of Clove will kill toothache pain almost immediately, but be aware

that it will kill the nerve inside of the tooth, requiring either a root canal

or extraction, eventually.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Remedy for toothache or tooth infection

From: wsears@tiac.net

Date: 12 Nov 1996 21:20:57 GMT



I've always used garlic. Has reduced abscess and will repairs nerves 

rather than kills it. Kills infection as well. Use 2 deodorized tablets 

every 2 hours until pain relieved then 2-4 day for next week. Have not 

found anything homeopathic. 



Wanita







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hyperlipodemia Help??

From: edenwolf@earthlink.net

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 14:54:01 -0800



My aunt is having elevated cholesterol, triglycerides & LDL levels. She

eats right and exercises as well, could there be some other cause to

this and are there any herbs that can help?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hyperlipodemia Help??

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 02:49:36 GMT



On Mon, 04 Nov 1996 14:54:01 -0800, edenwolf@earthlink.net wrote:



>My aunt is having elevated cholesterol, triglycerides & LDL levels. She

>eats right and exercises as well, could there be some other cause to

>this and are there any herbs that can help?



You say "she eats right". Just what do you mean by this? My Merck Manual

says this condition is aggrevated by a low-fat, high-carb diet. One of the

advantages of the low-carb diets is improved cholesterol values.



From The Merck Manual, 16th ed., page 1047:



Type IV Hyperlipoproteinemia (HLP)

(Endogenous Hypertriglyceridemia, Hyperprebetalipoproteinemia)



A common disorder, often with a familial distribution, characterized by

variable elevations of plasma Tgs, contained predominately in very

low-density (pre-B) lipoproteins, and a possible predisposition to

atherosclerosis. Depending on the level of the endogenous TG used to define

type IV HLP, the disorder is common in adult middle-aged men.



Symptoms, Signs, and Diagnosis



This lipidemia is frequently associated with mildly abnormal glucose

tolerance curves and obesity, and may be exaggerated when dietary fat is

restricted and carbohydrate added reciprocally (with caloric intake kept

constant)....



[end of excerpt]



For more on how carbohydrates can affect cholesterol see the

Atherosclerosis article on the menu of Ron Hoggan articles at:



  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/



Don.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ankle problem...please help!

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 96 04:36:28 GMT



In article <326C0383.426E@ptd.net>, sue rowe <srowe1@ptd.net> wrote:

>Just returned from the orthopedic surgeon who wants to wait eight weeks

>to see if the chipped bone in my ankle heals itself. If not, I'll have

>to have surgery. I'd rather skip the surgery if I can. I was thinking a 

>poultice of comfrey would be a good place to start, but can anyone offer 

>any other suggestions for me?

>Sue



Sue,

  The comfrey will not replace the part of the bone that was chipped.If I were 

you I'd just baby that ankle;try not to strain it too much,no exaggerated 

movements.If inflammation is present use a cold pack,if not then you can use a 

nice warm(but not hot) pack.Elevate your ankle slightly at the end of the day 

or during if you have time.Eat a good diet with calcium and phosphorous and 

plenty of rest.Try essential oil of peppermint or rosemary mixed with almond 

oil as a liniment (2-3 ml of oils to 30 ml almond oil).Also St, John's wort 

oil is a soothing rub.Be sure not to massage too vigorously,just enoughto help 

the oil penetrate.Also you could try alternating warm and cold packs.

Barbara  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need facts about licorice

From: Jef Bateman <jabatmn@imap1.asu.edu>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:04:11 -0700



I have found that licorice taken as a tea is very good for my voice.  

However, I am worried about the depletion of phosphorus and the edema 

that I have been assured come with long-term use of this herb.  Somebody 

wrote to me saying that this research--which I know was done on 

rats--has been shown not to apply to humans.  However, he did not cite 

any journals.  Ergo, I need to know the facts!  

	Any citation will be appreciated.  However, I do give extra 

weight to Western medical journals.  Call me a dupe of American 

allopathic medicine of you must!  



Jeffrey A. Bateman             ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Arizona State University       \   Perfection of means and    \

Religious Studies               \   confusion of ends seem     \

Graduate Student                 \   to characterize our age.   \ 

e-mail jefbtmn@asu.edu            \             --Albert Einstein\ 

                                   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need facts about licorice

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 5 Nov 1996 05:33:01 -0700

--------

Jef Bateman <jabatmn@imap1.asu.edu> wrote:



>I have found that licorice taken as a tea is very good for my voice.  

>However, I am worried about the depletion of phosphorus and the edema 

>that I have been assured come with long-term use of this herb.  Somebody 

>wrote to me saying that this research--which I know was done on 

>rats--has been shown not to apply to humans. 



Jeffery - 

  The issue was exhaustively debated and cited on the

chronic fatigue group and this one several months ago:



go to deja News and search for posts ... add Camilla Cracchiola

to your author list.  She posted most of the heavy research.



  In moderation, as a tea, it shouldn;t have the effect ... the

problems show up when you are taking a concentrated extract.





Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to reverse graying hair?

From: Jan Cuccia <eleclady@pressenter.com>

Date: 5 Nov 1996 05:06:15 GMT



doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS) wrote:

>My 87 year old mother got mad at me for having her take herbs to alleviate

>her high blood pressure and Raynauds Disease. They not only worked well

>for those problems but they reversed her "beautiful white" hair and the

>roots started coming in dark. She says, a woman her age should have white

>hair...so I changed her herbs and after some time it became white again.

>tsk..parents. What do ya do with them??

>Sandy



What herbs was she taking? I haven't heard of herbs to reverse graying. 

-Jan









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to reverse graying hair?

From: jmorris@america.net (Joe's Place)

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:43:06 GMT



doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS) wrote:



>My 87 year old mother got mad at me for having her take herbs to alleviate

>her high blood pressure and Raynauds Disease. They not only worked well

>for those problems but they reversed her "beautiful white" hair and the

>roots started coming in dark. She says, a woman her age should have white

>hair...so I changed her herbs and after some time it became white again.

>tsk..parents. What do ya do with them??

>Sandy







Sandy...



What herbs were you giving your mother and what herbs did you change to?





Thanks for the info ...  JOE





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Echinacea

From: frank.winans@svis.org (Frank Winans)

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 01:04:00 -0500



Echinacea is not recomended for individuals with auto-immune conditions.  

Does this include ones witch are anemic???  Also; is it okay with diabetics???

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 11:15:59 GMT



frank.winans@svis.org (Frank Winans) wrote:



>Echinacea is not recomended for individuals with auto-immune conditions.  

>Does this include ones witch are anemic???

I thought anemic was usually a vitamin/mineral problem, except for

food allergies.

>  Also; is it okay with diabetics???

So far I haven't come upon any contradictions between echinacea and

diabeties.

Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Advice  on Chinese herbal  tonics

From: Bob Lefevre <lefevre@mail.smart.net>

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 1996 23:33:07 -0800



I am interested in trying a Chinese herbal tonic, and would appreciate 

any recommendations or warnings. I am considering Shou Wu Chih, 

Halonyuan, or a combination of Dragon Eggs (Four Ginsengs, Peaceful, 

etc.)  I tend toward a Yang disposition, so I am looking for a cool to 

warm tonic.  Thank you in advance.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Advice  on Chinese herbal  tonics

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 7 Nov 1996 05:46:33 GMT



I don't think I have got enough information to recommend any herbs to you,

even the ones which is commonly agreed as certain kind of tonics.   A tonic

is something supplementing (adding) something to your body.  It is not

alright to take it or take it excessively if you are not short of that.



Instead, what I think you should do is to identify and analyse your

problems and objective beforehand.   Please make sure that you are really

running short of something, in this case, you believe that it is Yang.  

But Yang is a general idea only, every organs are having their only Yin and

Yang.  Yang can  express itself in terms of Qi (energy) or Fire (warmness).

 If you mentioned Yang only and stop here, there is no guideline for your

selection.  The effect of Herbs or any other forms of Medicine, should not

be aparted from the condition of the patient.



Please list out your symtoms and analyse which one is most likely to

related to which internal organs, then differientiate their nature and

positiion them well which will undoubtedly help you to understand your own

condition.



Analyse the components of the formula you mentioned, understand one by one

the nature, the organs affected, special use, etc. in order to determine

the best match.  Even tailor make for your own formula according to the

facts.



Maybe you will blame me for not giving you a strict forward selection, but

this is not the way it works.  



If you want my help, please list your symtoms.



regards yklaw at jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com





Bob Lefevre <lefevre@mail.smart.net> wrote in article

<327EEDB3.1A5A@mail.smart.net>...

> I am interested in trying a Chinese herbal tonic, and would appreciate 

> any recommendations or warnings. I am considering Shou Wu Chih, 

> Halonyuan, or a combination of Dragon Eggs (Four Ginsengs, Peaceful, 

> etc.)  I tend toward a Yang disposition, so I am looking for a cool to 

> warm tonic.  Thank you in advance.

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: DHEA info please

From: chucketal@aol.com

Date: 5 Nov 1996 14:36:18 GMT



I'm a latecomer to this DHEA debate. Could someone provide an intelligent

overview - pro and con - of what it is, what it does, dangers, dosage,

etc. Thank you, even if you've been thru this before.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DHEA info please

From: Bruce  <cpsd@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 21:50:22 GMT



In article <19961105143900.JAA10469@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

	chucketal@aol.com wrote:



>I'm a latecomer to this DHEA debate. Could someone provide an intelligent

>overview - pro and con - of what it is, what it does, dangers, dosage,

>etc. Thank you, even if you've been thru this before.



 For me, it's a superb mood elevator and energy booster! I take a

100 mg a day with No side affects. Dangers? Oh yes. I'll leave it

to others to post them, but some are headaches, sleeplessness, body

odor, facial hair on females and breast swelling on males. These

symtoms usually go away when dosage is reduced.

Bruce

  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: chucketal@aol.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DHEA info please

From: Altherapy Distributors International LLC <altherapydist@internetMCI.com>

Date: 8 Nov 1996 00:13:19 GMT



Chuck,



DHEA(dihydroepiandrosterone): Is a male hormone called an androgen that is 

produced by the adrenal cortex, a gland that sits on top of the kidneys.

It is a by-product of another steriod produced by the adrenal cortex 

called cortisol, which is essential to life.  DHEA circulates in the blood 

stream in very large quantities and peaks around 20; it decreases to 10% 

to 20% of peak levels by the age of about 70.



The latest research indicates that DHEA is valuable in a number of 

significant ways.  For one, it appears to have an anti-diabetic effect by 

enhancing insulin sensitivity.  It also appears to increase a person's 

ability to fight off disease by stimulating their immune function.  It is 

active in the central nervous system and seems to aid in the reversal of 

age-related loss of cognitive function.



According to American Medical News: October 7, 1996 Volume 39 - number37.



It discourages its use at this time of HIGH doses because there is not 

enough long-term research on the effects, but it does state DHEA has a 

role to play in LOW doses, such as 5 to 25 mg in women and 10 to 40 mg in 

men for hormal replacement and to improve mood and energy. It should be 

done under the guidance of a physician with routaine laboratory 

evaluation.  Be careful if you suffer from Hypertension etc......



There is another good article in the issue of Newsweek September 16, 1996.



If you would like to buy it very inexpensively or would like copies of 

these articles - please let me know.  I will send you additonal unbiased 

information from ADI.



Syd 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Question about three herbs

From: cue@cvn.net (God Rulz!)

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 14:55:52 GMT



I have been looking for information on the following roots/herbs

(none of which are spelled correctly, I'm sure).  If you have any

information on them or what URL would contain information on them,

please email.  Thankyou@!



millenium root

KAVA

Velarium

                   \|||||/

                    ~  ~

                    (.)(.) 

___oo0O___U______O0oo

______|____|_____|_____|

___|_____|____|_____|___|

__|____|____|_____|_____|

_____|______|______|___|

cOmFoRtAbLy NuMb.........paula





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Golden Seal Extinction

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 5 Nov 1996 14:56:13 GMT



rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka) wrote:

>

> In <01bbc2ec$62084480$129163ce@none.compuserve.com> "Shannon"

> <SDiehl@bedford.net> writes: 

> >

> >I've heard from good sources that goldenseal, at the rate it is

> currently being used, will be extinct in 5 years!!!  This is one of the

> greatest herbs that exist....snip--snip........

> 

> Can Goldenseal and Echinacea be planted at home?? 

> 

> Cookie

> 



Cookie; Yes to Echinacea. It's fairly easy to grow. I have a patch

in my backyard that is growing well and spreading. Goldenseal is a 

different story. It is very hard to cultivate. It needs shade, moist

and rich, slightly acidic soil with lots of nutrients. It is supposed

to be native to this part of the Country (N/E Ohio) but I could not

grow it here myself. I have looked for it in the woods around here

also with no success. (I did find some Ginseng but I'll be darned if

I'll tell anyone where I found it!) 



                  In good health (through herbs), Jerry





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Golden Seal Extinction

From: ccoast@atl.mindspring.com

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 00:23:29 GMT



"Shannon" <SDiehl@bedford.net> wrote:



>I've heard from good sources that goldenseal, at the rate it is currently

>being used, will be extinct in 5 years!!!  This is one of the greatest

>herbs that exist.  Therefore, it is of utmost importance that we slow our

>usage and make substitutions whenever possible.  Oregon Grape is the

>closest substitute.  Others possibly would be Echinacea, Myrrh, Garlic, and

>other natural antibiotics.



>By the way, what other natural antibiotics are there besides the ones

>mentioned above?



>Shannon



Myrrh is also scarce.  It is just as hard, if not harder to grow,

particularly as it is a parasitic plant which only grows in certain

conditions on only a few specific plants - which is why it is quite

expensive.  This is not a good antibiotic substitute for these

reasons.  Garlic, echinacea, cloves, etc. are much easier to grow and

would be better substitutes for goldenseal or myrrh.



M.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Golden Seal Extinction

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 22:02:16 -0500



In article <55nkid$lpl@antares.en.com>, jerry smith <jsmith@en.com> wrote:



> rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka) wrote:

> >

> > In <01bbc2ec$62084480$129163ce@none.compuserve.com> "Shannon"

> > <SDiehl@bedford.net> writes: 

> > >

> > >I've heard from good sources that goldenseal, at the rate it is

> > currently being used, will be extinct in 5 years!!!  This is one of the

> > greatest herbs that exist....snip--snip........

> > 

> > Can Goldenseal and Echinacea be planted at home?? 

> > 

> > Cookie

> > 

> 

> Cookie; Yes to Echinacea. It's fairly easy to grow. I have a patch

> in my backyard that is growing well and spreading. Goldenseal is a 

> different story. It is very hard to cultivate. It needs shade, moist

> and rich, slightly acidic soil with lots of nutrients. It is supposed

> to be native to this part of the Country (N/E Ohio) but I could not

> grow it here myself. I have looked for it in the woods around here

> also with no success. (I did find some Ginseng but I'll be darned if

> I'll tell anyone where I found it!) 





The company I get my herbs from now offers organic grown Goldenseal. It is

more expensive then wildcrafted but at least after ten years of growing

this wonderful herb they did it. Now the wild Goldenseal can hopefully be

left alone since it has been nearly wiped out. To try and grow herbs

organically and leave the wild herbs in the wild so we can take herb walks

and see these plants in their most natural enviroment, is actually best

for all. It takes so long for these plants to recover and come back from

near extinction. I was thrilled to hear about the organic Goldenseal the

price of it well... it is understandable but very high. Oregon Grape root,

Astragulas, Neem (which will most likely take the place of Goldenseal) All

can be taken instead. Of course Echinacea Angustafolia is wonderful on

it's own.



Catherine



> 

>                   In good health (through herbs), Jerry



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Plant Pictures

From: ascott6299@aol.com (AScott6299)

Date: 5 Nov 1996 11:04:57 -0500



Can anyone help me track down drawings or colour illustrations of herbal

plants. I would appreciate all help. Thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Plant Pictures

From: pepper@montana.com (Pepper)

Date: 11 Nov 1996 03:35:26 GMT



In article <55noj9$lta@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ascott6299@aol.com 

says...

>

>Can anyone help me track down drawings or colour illustrations of 

herbal

>plants. I would appreciate all help. Thanks



Go visit my homepage and business page for herb graphics:



Buz Page : http://www.montana.com/talent/index.htm

Home Page: http://www.montana.com/people/home1/pepper/www/index.htm



Pepper-MT







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Plant Pictures

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:08:07 GMT



Thanks for your posting offering free images from web pages. I found

many lovely web page links. I went from link to link till I finally

found myself on a Pit Bull Dog web page wanting to buy a Pit Bull

Book. Heck, I don't even have a Pit Bull. 

Anyway can unique images be purchased on a CD-ROM inexpensively

instead somehow? The reason I am asking is because I spent hours

looking around browsing from page to page on my pentium. It just got

too confusing and I never did find what I was looking for. Takes to

long! Also ran across a ton of photos. I was looking for clipart.

I started over three times and finally found a site that wanted some

sort subscription rate for access to 500,000 images or something. I

was too tired by then and just gave up. I really don't want a

subscription to a web page anyway. I realize that is what it is all

comming to soon according to the Discover Channel, but Of course I

don't web surf because I am too busy with my projects. It was quite an

experience! Maybe I should practice up web page surfing, I don't know.

For now, I am looking for plant images on CD that don't have all the

copyright restrictions. This way I can have them at my fingertips

forever when I need them. I still do desktop publishing now and again

for corps. between my own projects. I was supposed to do desktop

publishing for the Rebecas assembly tonight. 

Also any copyright free books on CD that are graphics of each original

page from old publishing (Authentic)? 

Please e-mail me if you can help? Tnaks in advance!





Sincerely



Margie

Margie's Rare Books and Plant Clipart

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: information on cultivating herbs

From: "Vicente P. Orlandella" <gates@jcc-uky.campus.mci.net>

Date: 5 Nov 1996 17:24:54 GMT



I am interested in growing my own herbs. Could anyone tell where can I buy

the seeds?  Thank you.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: essential oils

From: jay <jharris@icx.net>

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 15:00:51 -0500



can anyone give me a recipe for making essential oils at home?

thanks in advance

jay





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: essential oils

From: kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:52:45 GMT



In article <327F9CF3.775C@icx.net>, jay <jharris@icx.net> writes:

>can anyone give me a recipe for making essential oils at home?

>thanks in advance

>jay



I don't know that its the easiest thing to do, but if you want to try it out 

check out Valarie Ann Worwood's "The Complete Book of Essential Oils and

Aromatherapy" (Formerly called "The Fragrant Pharmacy"). 



Good Luck!

Kellie Bonnici

kbonnici@trentu.ca







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: essential oils

From: Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 00:35:10 +0000



In article <E0IKFx.ABI@blaze.trentu.ca>, kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca writes

>In article <327F9CF3.775C@icx.net>, jay <jharris@icx.net> writes:

>>can anyone give me a recipe for making essential oils at home?

>>thanks in advance

>>jay

>

>I don't know that its the easiest thing to do, but if you want to try it out 

>check out Valarie Ann Worwood's "The Complete Book of Essential Oils and

>Aromatherapy" (Formerly called "The Fragrant Pharmacy"). 







Still Called "The Fragrant Pharmacy" in the UK





>

>Good Luck!

>Kellie Bonnici

>kbonnici@trentu.ca

>



-- 

Graham Sorenson

The Guide to Aromatherapy and other goodies can be found at:-



http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: essential oils

From: Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 05:09:13 +0000



In article <327F9CF3.775C@icx.net>, jay <jharris@icx.net> writes

>can anyone give me a recipe for making essential oils at home?

>thanks in advance

>jay



Hi..



I wouldn't say there is a "Recipe" ..



Why not join the Aromatherapy mailing list and ask there...



mail to   list@idma.com



with        join aromatherapy     in the text..



-- 

Graham Sorenson

The Guide to Aromatherapy and other goodies can be found at:-

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: essential oils

From: Shannon Brophy <shannon@yoga.com>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 08:06:41 -0500



> In article <327F9CF3.775C@icx.net>, jay <jharris@icx.net> writes

> >can anyone give me a recipe for making essential oils at home?

> >thanks in advance

> >jay



Hi Jay,

You can make infused oils at home which are less strong than real

essential oils. An easy way is to take to fresh or dried herb/flower

(not at all damp) and put in a pyrex container or baking dish with oil.

Olive and almond oil are really nice, but others work too.

Bake the mixture in the oven all day at 180 degrees F. Stir occasionally

and then drain off your oil into a jar and discard the herb. 

Calendula works really well and makes a healing application for 

wounds, sore skin, and diaper rash. I invite you to try lavender or

whatever inspires you. Keeping the oil in the fridge will help preserve

it.



--

Shannon B., midwife





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: essential oils

From: strflwr@usit.net

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 11:36:16 GMT



#1 You need a still.  Essential Oils are made by steam distillation of

the fresh, partly dried, dried, or aged (depends on the plant) plant

matter (flowers, leaves, roots, wood, fruit, etc. - - - depends on the

particular plant).  The exact temperature, pressure and time of

distillation depend also on the particular plant.  You've got to

decide which one(s) you want to make and study more than you can get

from the net, and invest in adequate equipment.  Also, it takes

80-200+ lbs of plant material to make one ounce of EO.  We all want to

make EOs until we begin to learn about them and then decide to wait a

bit until we can afford a decent still, and even then figure we'll

make nice hydrosols!       -------Jo







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb Plugs

From: jgrimes@onramp.net (John F. Grimes)

Date: 5 Nov 1996 20:51:50 GMT



I am looking for a source for approximately 1000 each of rosemary and

tarragon plugs.  Does anyone know of an appropriate source?



John



--

John F. Grimes, jgrimes@onramp.net

Dallas, TX * 972-230-2455







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Plugs

From: pdsd@ultranet.ca

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 14:28:57 -0800



John F. Grimes wrote:

> 

> I am looking for a source for approximately 1000 each of rosemary and

> tarragon plugs.  Does anyone know of an appropriate source?

> 

> John

> 

> --

> John F. Grimes, jgrimes@onramp.net

> Dallas, TX * 972-230-2455





	I know that Richter's sells plugs in trays of 128.  Their /95 catalogue

says they ship them April-October, so you may have missed your window

for this year.  But they have an e-mail address, so why not check it

out?  ***info@richter's.com***



	If for some reason that address has changed, their regular address is 

Richter's Herbs

		Goodwood, Ontario, Canada L0C 1A0



	Good Luck, Sherri





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Plugs

From: doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 19:09:37 -0500



In article <09961005144705.OUI15.jgrimes@onramp.net>, jgrimes@onramp.net

(John F. Grimes) writes:



>I am looking for a source for approximately 1000 each of rosemary and

>tarragon plugs.  Does anyone know of an appropriate source?

>

>John

>

>John F. Grimes, jgrimes@onramp.net

>Dallas, TX * 972-230-2455



Thompson and Morgan have speed plugs but I didn't notice any herbs and

plugs. You could always check them anyway.

800-274-7333



I have a list of companies who send free herb / flower / seed catalogs. If

you or anyone would like that just email me.



Sandy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Plugs

From: kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:06:23 GMT



In article <09961005144705.OUI15.jgrimes@onramp.net>, jgrimes@onramp.net (John F. Grimes) writes:

>I am looking for a source for approximately 1000 each of rosemary and

>tarragon plugs.  Does anyone know of an appropriate source?

>

>John

>John F. Grimes, jgrimes@onramp.net

>Dallas, TX * 972-230-2455



Check out Richters, 

"Canada's Herb Specialists" 

Goodwood, Ontario, Canada, 

L0C 1A0



Phone: 905-640-6677

Fax: 905-640-6641



email:

Orders: orderdesk@richters.com

Inquiries: inquiry@richters.com

Customer Service: custserv@richters.com

General Information: info@richters.com



The following website was listed as coming soon in the 1996 catalogue:

http://www.richters.com



I think this info will be useful to *anyone* interested in herbs; richters

sells plants, seeds (almost anything you can think of!), dry herbs, gardening

supplies, books and tonnes of other stuff, and they're organic.



In fact, I think I'm gonna go check out they're web site right now...



Kellie

kbonnici@trentu.ca 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Plugs

From: strflwr@usit.net

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 11:46:53 GMT



jgrimes@onramp.net (John F. Grimes) wrote:



>I am looking for a source for approximately 1000 each of rosemary and

>tarragon plugs.  Does anyone know of an appropriate source?



>John



You want liners (rooted cuttings) not plugs.  French Tarragon must be

vegetatively propagated, and most Rosemary (including, of course, all

of the cultivars) is also.  You can buy these from any nursery

wholesaler.  You should order them now for spring delivery as most

sources grow them to order.  Check the yellow pages if you live in a

city.  Or the online yellow pages in your state & nearby states.  All

of the major seed companies have wholesale departments but if you can

find a relatively local grower, you will save a lot on shipping.  If

you are starting a greenhouse or nursery operation, look for a trade

mag called "Greenhouse Grower".  I used to get that years ago and it

had a lot of good ads/sources.  I think Ball publishes it.

-------Jo



>--

>John F. Grimes, jgrimes@onramp.net

>Dallas, TX * 972-230-2455











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: strflwr@POP.USIT.NET

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Plugs

From: David Hanson <umhanso0@mail.cc.umanitoba.ca>

Date: 10 Nov 1996 04:48:24 GMT



There are some great herb places that do plugs, including harder to find 

varieties. I've found Hillcrest Nurseries Inc. in Maryland to be really 

great on the quality and customer service side of things, and they have 

a really extensive plug listing. Richters Herbs (look for their web 

site) in Ontario, Canada, has one of the largest selections of exotic 

herb plugs you'll likely find in North America. Companion Plants also 

carries a huge selection of herb plugs, but they are expensive. Maitland 

Greenhouses in Nova Scotia, Canada, ships the best quality plugs I've 

recieved, but with less selection.Good Luck.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Rescue Remedy and  Cat

From: ndm@connix.com (Nancy)

Date: 5 Nov 1996 21:50:13 GMT



I have taken in a stray cat who is antisocial with other stray cat

in the house. She is mistrustful and has bitten me as well. I will

not get rid of her as she has moments of potential and I will try

to give her reason to trust her new household. I was told that I

should try rescue remedy on her. I have bought it but do not know how

much to give her. Has anyone tried this and do you know what dosage

I should give ? Thank you for any advise. It is appreciated.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Nancy <ndm@connix.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rescue Remedy and  Cat

From: Linda Ray <LINDARAY@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 16:56:09 -0800



Nancy wrote:

> 

> I have taken in a stray cat who is antisocial with other stray cat

> in the house. She is mistrustful and has bitten me as well. I will

> not get rid of her as she has moments of potential and I will try

> to give her reason to trust her new household. I was told that I

> should try rescue remedy on her. I have bought it but do not know how

> much to give her. Has anyone tried this and do you know what dosage

> I should give ? Thank you for any advise. It is appreciated.



Hello, Nancy--

     A drop in her water dish will do it just fine. Only one drop is 

necessary, and more is not better, as their digestive system cannot cope 

well with the alcohol with which the Remedies are preserved. I have kept 

"Fur People" all my life, and Bach Flower Remedies are most marvelously 

effective with them. It may take as long as a few weeks, and the Rescue 

Remedy will also help your other Kitties cope with her, so if they are 

using the same dish, it's not a problem. You might also try Holly (for 

"the Rose Which Has Thorns"), Rock Water(for the "I Am A Rock" attitude), 

or Rock Rose(for recovery from terror of possible death), if it seems 

appropriate. Hope this helps: If anything I've said isn't clear--Email!!

                                 Namaste,

                                     Linda Ray

                               Email LINDARAY@worldnet.att.net







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rescue Remedy and  Cat

From: petersen_dawn@bah.com (Dawn Petersen)

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:29:16 -0500



I'm so happy to hear I'm not the only one using Flower Essence therapies

for my cats!  I use RR when they need to go to the vet in the (gasp) car,

or in general stressful situations.  I've been taking them to a Bach

Flower Essence consultant to deal with some horrible aggression we've been

having - we've tried quite a few remedies, mixtures, etc.  One of the cats

seems to have benefitted - he's no longer a wuss, but that means that when

the other cat, who is the aggressor, gets in his face, he fights back! 

We're still hopeful that Impatiens is going to help.



Good luc,

Dawn



> I have kept 

> "Fur People" all my life, and Bach Flower Remedies are most marvelously 

> effective with them. It may take as long as a few weeks, and the Rescue 

> Remedy will also help your other Kitties cope with her, so if they are 

> using the same dish, it's not a problem. You might also try Holly (for 

> "the Rose Which Has Thorns"), Rock Water(for the "I Am A Rock" attitude), 

> or Rock Rose(for recovery from terror of possible death), if it seems 

> appropriate. Hope this helps: If anything I've said isn't clear--Email!!

>                                  Namaste,

>                                      Linda Ray

>                                Email LINDARAY@worldnet.att.net



-- 

petersen_dawn@bah.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: GINKGO Biloba

From: mking <mking@dsuper.net>

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 23:35:17 -0500



Hi,



This is spelled Ginkgo Biloba. Transposing the k and g is a pretty 

common error, but did all 8 books Julie consulted have this error?  Let 

me know, thanks, if the name is spelled gingko in those references.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Niacinimide...?

From: aeon7@sprynet.com

Date: 6 Nov 1996 05:13:33 GMT



 What is niacinimide,and what is it used for?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Niacinimide...?

From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 11:17:36 GMT



aeon7@sprynet.com wrote:



> What is niacinimide,and what is it used for?

A slighty different form of niacin, usually used in the "no-flush"

forms of the supplement.



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Niacinimide...?

From: strflwr@usit.net

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 11:47:52 GMT



Also known as Vitamin B3.       -------Jo







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Niacinimide...?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:29:39 GMT



aeon7@sprynet.com wrote:



> What is niacinimide,and what is it used for?



Dilating blood vessels is probably the main reason to use the single

vitamin. Helps the liver detox some molds and alcohol, too.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Niacinimide...?

From: jdist@mindspring.com (John Distler)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:31:10 GMT



turf@mindspring.com (turf) wrote:



>aeon7@sprynet.com wrote:



>> What is niacinimide,and what is it used for?



>Dilating blood vessels is probably the main reason to use the single

>vitamin. Helps the liver detox some molds and alcohol, too.



>turf



I am taking b vitamins to help with pain controll.     I have been

recommended to take



100mg of b1,b2,b6, niacinamide

100mcg of b12



3 times a day.    I am worried because it is like 15,000% of the rda

of certain of the vitamins.    Can this harm me?







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Harmfulness of Yeast

From: Jonta <mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 05:27:47 -0500





I recently heard from a friend of a whole bunch of problems or

side-effects of yeast.  She telling me about its affects on the

nervous system, but I didn't quite understand.  Can somebody please

fill me in?  (Sorry I'm just getting into watching my diet and I don't

know much)



*******************************************************************************

			     Marie Jonta Williams 

		     University of Maryland Baltimore County 

		B.S. Mathematics, Concentration:Operations Research

			     mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu

*******************************************************************************









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Harmfulness of Yeast

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 7 Nov 1996 19:43:10 -0700



Jonta <mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:



>I recently heard from a friend of a whole bunch of problems or

>side-effects of yeast.  

  Specify what kind of "yeast" and what it was supposed to do to

or for you.



Brewers yeast: Saccharomyces cervecia (sp?)

  is actually good for your nervous system.  Loaded with vitamins



"yeast: ... Candida albicans 

  Is a normal inhabitant of the human body.  Some strains are

pathogenic, and can cause illness if you are run down and can't

fight it off. 



Another, Cryptococcus neoformans

  is a pathogen and can kill you.  Often causes brain infections.





Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: preparing for surgery

From: the_abes@mail.durham.net (Cathy Abraham)

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 15:15:16 GMT



I am looking for some help for a friend of mine who is having her knee

rebuilt soon.



Is there/Are there anything she should or could be taking to help her

cope with major surgery.  She has been told she will be off work for

six weeks and is looking for help in healing faster.



Thanks

Cathy

the_abes@mail.durham.net 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preparing for surgery

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 96 01:52:50 GMT



In article <55udg4$fs6@news.durham.net>,

   the_abes@mail.durham.net (Cathy Abraham) wrote:

>I am looking for some help for a friend of mine who is having her knee

>rebuilt soon.

>

>Is there/Are there anything she should or could be taking to help her

>cope with major surgery.  She has been told she will be off work for

>six weeks and is looking for help in healing faster.

>

>Thanks

>Cathy

>the_abes@mail.durham.net 

>



I would suggest following a good healthy diet and taking a multi vitamin,also 

moderate exercise.Since you will have either general anesthetic or a spinal do 

not ingest any new herbs immediately before the surgery,or at least inform 

your surgeon and anesthesiologist beforehand.If possible after the surgery 

when you are able to eat a regular diet,have someone bring your friend some 

food from home or a good liquid supplement,as hospital food is not good 

sometimes.(I know, I had lunch down there today!)Make sure you feel 

comfortable with the procedure,get your questions answered!If she smokes tell 

her to desist for at least a few days beforehand.And above all follow the 

preop orders!I can't tell you how many times we have to cancel a surgery 

because the patient thought they could have 'just a sip of water' or just a 

'bite of toast'.I'm sure she wants to get this over with as soon as possible!

Best wishes-Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: head lice .

From: ogydoggy@aol.com

Date: 6 Nov 1996 18:09:11 GMT



Help! I work for a public instution , and we have a problem . During this

time of year we suffer from a regular head lice out break in the class

rooms . we feel that the use of chemicals is a bit much in that the public

tends to panic even though we use the products as directed . We treat each

rooms carpet when we have and out break and allow 48 hrs before people

enter the room again . and the product states that after it is dry it is

safe . SO ... the question is do any of you know of a Safe Natural product

that we can use in place of the chemicals that we now use ??. We will be

very thankful for any help you might render 

                                                                          

    Ogy Doggy 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: head lice .

From: tavia@selway.umt.edu (J Waldrup)

Date: 7 Nov 1996 17:50:38 GMT



In article <19961106181200.NAA22555@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

 <ogydoggy@aol.com> wrote:

>Help! I work for a public instution , and we have a problem . During this

>time of year we suffer from a regular head lice out break in the class

>rooms . we feel that the use of chemicals is a bit much in that the public

>tends to panic even though we use the products as directed . We treat each

>rooms carpet when we have and out break and allow 48 hrs before people

>enter the room again . and the product states that after it is dry it is

>safe . SO ... the question is do any of you know of a Safe Natural product

>that we can use in place of the chemicals that we now use ??. We will be

>very thankful for any help you might render 



A nurse told me that simple white vinegar will kill the lice and the eggs.

I don't know for sure if she was correct. 



Anyone?

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: head lice .

From: mail@info66.net

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 21:32:36 GMT



Head Lice Reply-



If it was me I would eat raw garlic for internal treatment. Then I

would get a bottle of this herbal stuff called "Herbal Bath" Olbas

brand. Use it just like shampoo (stings the eyes like the good old

fashion shampoo used too, keep eyes closed). The only place I ever

found this Herbal Bath is from a mail order company called Penn Herb.

The order line is 1-800-523-9971. 

The product info in the catalogue;

4 fl. oz. item # LBA4 $5.50

8 fl. oz. item # LBAS $9.95

This always worked for my children (and pets too). Friends that tried

it swear by it.

Makes the hair soft and manageable like no other shampoo I ever tried.

People that have long hard to manage hair, state that they do not need

any cream rinse on their hair after using this product. They all state

it is the best they ever found. 

Heck get the big bottle! You will be glad you did.



Margie

Margie's Rare Books And Plant Clipart on CD

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: head lice .

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 8 Nov 1996 06:29:01 -0700



mail@info66.net wrote:

>Head Lice Reply-



>If it was me I would eat raw garlic for internal treatment. Then I

>would get a bottle of this herbal stuff called "Herbal Bath" Olbas

>brand. 

(advertisement deleted)



Margie, dear ... he was asking about CARPETING!!! 



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: head lice .

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 22:17:45 GMT



We used to use a strong Pins Sol solution as the disinfectant in our

outside buildings. Think it is the pine oil.

Also Tobacco powder and Boric acid 50/50 sprinkled all around

including carpets. Vacuum the floor the next day.

What gets left behind after the vacuuming is a plus. I think the

tobacco powder poisons the critters outright and the Boric Acid messes

up their digestive systems. Don't need a a lot, try a large salt

shaker. Hiding places that are out of sight, put more and leave it

there forever.

There are a bunch of bothersome ways, but this is about the simpliest

way I know of to fight the little critters.

Maybe someone can post other simple ways that worked for them.



Sincerely;

Margie

Margie's Rare Books and Plant Clipart

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: head lice .

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 8 Nov 1996 06:32:01 -0700



Rare Digital Books wrote:



>Also Tobacco powder and Boric acid 50/50 sprinkled all around

>including carpets. Vacuum the floor the next day.

  and every person allergic to cigarettes would be dying!!! 



>What gets left behind after the vacuuming is a plus. I think the

>tobacco powder poisons the critters outright and the Boric Acid messes

>up their digestive systems. Don't need a a lot, try a large salt

>shaker. Hiding places that are out of sight, put more and leave it

>there forever.

   Since when do head lice hide in out of the way areas ... you

find them on the closest live human, attached to the hairs, or on

that person's hair decor and tools ... hats, combs, etc.

  these don't have the life style of a cockroach, they live ON 

people.





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: head lice .

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 7 Nov 1996 19:48:02 -0700





> <ogydoggy@aol.com> wrote:

>>Help! I work for a public instution , and we have a problem . During this

>>time of year we suffer from a regular head lice out break in the class

>>rooms . we feel that the use of chemicals is a bit much in that the public

>>tends to panic even though we use the products as directed . We treat each

>>rooms carpet when we have and out break and allow 48 hrs before people

>>enter the room again . 



Given that the eggs are firmly glued on the hair shafts, and the

adults usually firmly holding on to the hair shafts ... I think

fumigating the carpet is overkill! 



The adults spread on items that contact heads, or head-to-head

touching.  Hats, pillows, hair decorations, combs, brushes, etc.

But carpet?  Unless your clients are lying on the carpet.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: any cure for fruit flies

From: Joy E Kohl <jkohl+@pitt.edu>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:39:50 -0500



i am having a large problem with fruit flies, first it was roaches now

this, it there anyone who has any ideas on how to get rid of them..

they are driving me crazy.

thanks





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: any cure for fruit flies

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 15:30:03 -0700



Joy E Kohl <jkohl+@pitt.edu> wrote:



>i am having a large problem with fruit flies, first it was roaches now

>this, it there anyone who has any ideas on how to get rid of them..

>they are driving me crazy.

>thanks



The larvae are probably maturing in something

you brought home.



Discard all fruit you currently have.



Thoroughtly clean refrigerator and trash cans ...

look for strayed peels under kid's beds, etc.



Put ALL new fruits into paper bags, double-folded over,

stapled shut to prevent new infestation.



Also ... they can live in potted plants sometimes. I'm not sure

whether it is a different species or something to do with the

plant.  Cjheck the plants.

Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: any cure for fruit flies

From: ravendncr@aol.com

Date: 7 Nov 1996 02:08:35 GMT



you can put out an open container of apple cider--trust me they will flock

to it and drown.  Just remember not to use the vinegar on a salad like I

did <g>.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: any cure for fruit flies

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (tom c.)

Date: 8 Nov 1996 23:54:37 GMT



In message <55r3hb$rk@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> -

callie@writepage.com (Callie) writes:

]

]Joy E Kohl <jkohl+@pitt.edu> wrote:

]

]>i am having a large problem with fruit flies, first it was roaches now

]>this, it there anyone who has any ideas on how to get rid of them..

]>they are driving me crazy.

]>thanks



    s t u f f     s n i p p e d 



]Also ... they can live in potted plants sometimes. I'm not sure

]whether it is a different species or something to do with the

]plant.  Cjheck the plants.

]Callie

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one easy way to control them in pots is tyo add a layer of sand

on to of the soil













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ephedra?

From: naganadi@aol.com (Naganadi)

Date: 6 Nov 1996 14:27:57 -0500



Looking for "safe" alternative bronchiodialators...



Any suggests will help





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: naganadi@aol.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ephedra?

From: Altherapy Distributors International LLC <altherapydist@internetMCI.com>

Date: 8 Nov 1996 17:29:35 GMT



Naganadi,



You might want to try:

 

Horehound - Thins out and increases movement of severe mucus congestion in 

bronchial tubes, sinuses and lungs.



Cayenne - Breaks up conjestion.  Will relieve pain in the worst sore 

throat - relief can last up to 4 hours.  Some studies suggest keeping 

cayenne pepper in your diet can reduce the risk of contacting viral 

pneumonia and other respiratory diseases.



Licorice Root- Sooths inflamed mucous membranes and increases flow of 

mucus from the lungs and bronchial tubes.  Acts as a natural 

corticosteriod.  Side effects can be:  Long term use or excessive amounts 

can produce headache, lethargy, sodium and water retention, excessive loss 

of potassium, and high blood pressure.



Eucalyptus - Sooths the lungs when inhaled; great chest rub for lung 

congestion.



Mullein - Helps to heal lungs and reduces glandular swelling.  Pain 

reducer and sleep aid.



Hope this can be of some help.  Have lots more information if you need it.



Our company is a distributor of all these products, but most importantly 

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for treatment with their particular disease or ailments.



If you like go check our web page out under " What Ail's You"

http://www.choicemall.com/adi  we are also hyperlinked to Medicine On 

Line.



Syd







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HELP!! Need A List Of Producers Of Herbs & Organic Foods.

From: Eran <mrerk@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 11:52:49 -0800



Hi,



I need a list of all producers in the United States and in the world,

where the producers grow, make and sell all kinds of herbs and organic

foods. The herbs and organic foods must be chemical free. I expect very

much the list to include addresses, phone numbers and fax numbers. If

you have the list or know where exactly to get it from, please email me

at mrerk@earthlink.net. The list is very important to me; I will be very

grateful.



Thank you very much,

Eran :-)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: excema remedy

From: ckremer@iastate.edu (Charles A Kremer)

Date: 7 Nov 1996 00:28:53 GMT





To those of you who have trouble with excema. I have had excellent results with

cold pressed flax seed oil . It supplies essential fatty acids that are missing

from our  diets. This was recomended to me by a good chiropracter. I take 1 Tb.

twice a day (I am 6 ft,190 lbs.) and had amazing results within 2 weeks.

 Make sure it is cold pressed;

heat destroys the essential fatty acids that our skin needs. I have found this

product at GNC and other health food stores. 



Chuck Kremer                                                                      

                                                                                 

               



-- 

Charles A Kremer

ckremer@iastate.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Charles A Kremer <ckremer@iastate.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: excema remedy

From: "James A.L.Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.," <dussault@gte.net>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 14:51:10 -0500



Charles A Kremer wrote:

> 

> To those of you who have trouble with excema. I have had excellent results with

> cold pressed flax seed oil . It supplies essential fatty acids that are missing

> from our  diets. This was recomended to me by a good chiropracter. I take 1 Tb.

> twice a day (I am 6 ft,190 lbs.) and had amazing results within 2 weeks.

>  Make sure it is cold pressed;

> heat destroys the essential fatty acids that our skin needs. I have found this

> product at GNC and other health food stores.

> 

> Chuck Kremer

> 

> 

> 

> --

> Charles A Kremer

> ckremer@iastate.edu



Read the book from Dr. Bernard Jensen tissue cleansing through bowel

management and you will learn why you have this illness. Raw potatoes 

will help you eat one raw potatoe every day for three weeks and see

what happens.

James A.L. Dussault  N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.,





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Slap's Disease???

From: Janie Derby <jaderby@startext.net>

Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 21:42:20 -0600



DH took 5 yr old son to Dr yesterday.  Coughing, runny nose etc.  Cheeks

a little red and splotchy.  Dr told DH the red was Slap's Disease.  Has

anyone ever heard of this?  DH didn't ask for more info.  Dr said it

will probably spread to his arms but the antibiotics should take care of

it.



Can't find anything on it on the web.  Does it come back?  What does it

do?  Adverse effects?



What can I use on it?  Antibiotics don't seem to be having any effect. 

Today it's all over the tops of his cheeks.  Tea tree oil?  Lavender

oil?  Can I place either one directly on his skin without hurting him? 

I don't worry about placing things directly on my skin but he's only 5.



Help please



Janie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Slap's Disease???

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 7 Nov 1996 04:45:01 -0700



Janie Derby <jaderby@startext.net> wrote:



>DH took 5 yr old son to Dr yesterday.  Coughing, runny nose etc.  Cheeks

>a little red and splotchy.  Dr told DH the red was Slap's Disease.  Has

>anyone ever heard of this?  DH didn't ask for more info.  

   So call the Dr. and ask yourself ... it's what you pay them

for.  I couldn't find it in a medical Dictionary (1985 edition)

so it's either a recently identified disease or a real old one.

   

>What can I use on it?  Antibiotics don't seem to be having any effect. 

  Give them a chance!  It's only been a day.  



>Today it's all over the tops of his cheeks.  Tea tree oil?  Lavender

>oil?  

  Until you know what it is, don't do anything ... skin rashes

can be from infections elsewhere.



  When you find out what it is, then you will get better advice.

Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Slap's Disease???

From: Betsy Zucker <bzucker@spiritone.com>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 15:37:57 -0500



Callie wrote:

> 

> Janie Derby <jaderby@startext.net> wrote:

> 

> >DH took 5 yr old son to Dr yesterday.  Coughing, runny nose etc.  Cheeks

> >a little red and splotchy.  Dr told DH the red was Slap's Disease.  Has

> >anyone ever heard of this?  DH didn't ask for more info.

>    So call the Dr. and ask yourself ... it's what you pay them

> for.  I couldn't find it in a medical Dictionary (1985 edition)

> so it's either a recently identified disease or a real old one.

> 

> >What can I use on it?  Antibiotics don't seem to be having any effect.

>   Give them a chance!  It's only been a day.

> 

> >Today it's all over the tops of his cheeks.  Tea tree oil?  Lavender

> >oil?

>   Until you know what it is, don't do anything ... skin rashes

> can be from infections elsewhere.

> 

>   When you find out what it is, then you will get better advice.

> Callie

> 

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I suspect that DH's son had a mild viral illness called, variously,

"Fifth Disease", paravovirus B19, or erythema infectiosum.  Called

"Fifth Disease" because it was named after measles, rubella, scarlet

fever, and roseola (also childhood viral diseases with rashes).



It starts with cold-type symptoms which last a few days; after a week or

so, a "slapped-cheek" appearance develops - a bright red rash on the

cheeks. A few days later there is a rash on the trunk and limbs.  Then,

for 1-3 weeks, there is a lacy rash that comes and goes on the body. 



It's a mild virus, usually seen in school age kids. Antibiotics won't

help.  



Only risk is to pregnant women, who (rarely) can have problems with the

pregnancy because of the infection.  More than half of adults are

already immune to it.  



Hope this helps.



Sincerely,



Betsy (RN, FNP)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Slap's Disease???

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 7 Nov 1996 19:45:03 -0700



Betsy Zucker <bzucker@spiritone.com> wrote:



>> Janie Derby <jaderby@startext.net> wrote:



>> >DH took 5 yr old son to Dr yesterday.  Coughing, runny nose etc.  Cheeks

>> >a little red and splotchy.  Dr told DH the red was Slap's Disease.  Has

>> >anyone ever heard of this?  DH didn't ask for more info.

>I suspect that DH's son had a mild viral illness called, variously,

>"Fifth Disease", paravovirus B19, or erythema infectiosum.  Called

>"Fifth Disease" because it was named after measles, rubella, scarlet

>fever, and roseola (also childhood viral diseases with rashes).



>It starts with cold-type symptoms which last a few days; after a week or

>so, a "slapped-cheek" appearance develops - a bright red rash on the

>cheeks. A few days later there is a rash on the trunk and limbs.  Then,

>for 1-3 weeks, there is a lacy rash that comes and goes on the body. 



Betsy - 

  Makes good sense to me.  It will go away in a month or so if

you ignore it and in four or five weeks if you rub it with oils

and stuff?  



Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Slap's Disease???

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 8 Nov 1996 05:58:45 GMT



In <328248A5.4542@spiritone.com> Betsy Zucker <bzucker@spiritone.com>

writes: 

>

>

>I suspect that DH's son had a mild viral illness called, variously,

>"Fifth Disease", paravovirus B19, or erythema infectiosum.  Called

>"Fifth Disease" because it was named after measles, rubella, scarlet

>fever, and roseola (also childhood viral diseases with rashes).

>

If it's at all related to roseola, then it's a piece of cake. My

youngest son had that when he was 13 months old. The only danger could

be if there is a high fever and the child is prone to febrile seizuers

which we later found out Chris was. He spent a few days in the hospital

because of this but was otherwise fine. Looked really funny when the

rash got all over his body. But, since the doctor said this was the

"last hurrah" of the virus and signaled it's end, I was glad to see it.



I would think that if itching gets to be at all a problem, a nice

oatmeal bath might be soothing......



Cookie







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med.diseases.cancer,sci.med.immunology,alt.drugs.melatonin,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alternative Medicine: the new paradigm emerges

From: abg21@dial.pipex.com (Nick Hunter)

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 04:30:16 +0000



Pete Beyer <pbeyer@kumc.edu> wrote:



> I would certainly challenge you as to medline citations involving use

> of herbs (plants in general) in medicinal applications.  If one looks at

> the chemical names of the compounds, there are hundreds.  



I am not saying there aren't any studies - John Boik's superb work on

Cancer and Natural Medicine (ISBN0-9648280-0-6) lists 1,200 Medline

references for example.



But when you start looking for adequate clinical evaluations or random

control tests of individual substances like Pau d'Arco, Lycopene, or

terpenes long known for their cancer-inhibiting properties, there has

been very little done in comparison to the number of natural substances

available. Hence my use of the word scarcity, rather than absence.



> There are also 

> well outlined programs to systematically evaluate (using appropriate 

> scientific methods) hundreds more plant compounds for their potential

> application.  I ran across many when preparing to talk on the subject of

> phytochemicals.



Yes, the National Cancer Institute has screened over 4,000 plant species

since 1955 through the Cancer Chemotherapy National Service Centre, and

that the program in about 40 years of research has discovered less than

a half-dozen agents that demonstrate acceptable clinical efficiency. But

the study was focussd to determining cytotoxic responses rather than

immune stimulation - which considerably limits its applicability. 



Cancer patients are today using natural substances in remedial efforts

like: aloe vera, angelica, astragalus, burdock root, echinacea, flax

seed, ganoderma, garlic, ginseng, green tea, hoxsey, licorice,

melatonin, mistletoe, PSK, salvia or scutellaria. 



The absence of adequate clinical studies means these patients are

functioning as uncontrolled human guinea pigs, for the will does not

exist within conventional western medicine to properly evaluate the

impact of such natural substances, for example on the immune system.

Until it does, the cancer research organisations cannot say that they

leave no stone unturned in their efforts to find a cure for cancer.  



It is my belief that the plant kingdom offers many substances of

enormous healing benefit to mankind, and that western medicine is now

only just beginning to understand the questions to ask in order to

realise these benefits. With increasing environmental stress, this has

become a matter of some urgency. 



As the pharmaceutical companies show so little interest in supporting

random control tests of natural (ie non-patentable) substances, we need

to galvanize the resources of international agencies and charitable

foundations to support such work. For mankind there is everything to

gain from this - the main cost will be to the profits of the drug

companies.   















 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med.diseases.cancer,sci.med.immunology,alt.drugs.melatonin,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alternative Medicine: the new paradigm emerges

From: Jim Barron <jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 22:39:42 -0500



Pete Beyer wrote:

> 

> James A.L.Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc., wrote:

> >

> > Nick Hunter wrote:

> > >

> > > Pete Beyer <pbeyer@kumc.edu> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I would certainly challenge you as to medline citations involving use

> > > > of herbs (plants in general) in medicinal applications.  If one looks at

> > > > the chemical names of the compounds, there are hundreds.

> > >

> > > I am not saying there aren't any studies - John Boik's superb work on

> > > Cancer and Natural Medicine (ISBN0-9648280-0-6) lists 1,200 Medline

> > > references for example.

> > >

> > > But when you start looking for adequate clinical evaluations or random

> > > control tests of individual substances like Pau d'Arco, Lycopene, or

> > > terpenes long known for their cancer-inhibiting properties, there has

> > > been very little done in comparison to the number of natural substances

> > > available. Hence my use of the word scarcity, rather than absence.

> > >

> > > > There are also

> > > > well outlined programs to systematically evaluate (using appropriate

> > > > scientific methods) hundreds more plant compounds for their potential

> > > > application.  I ran across many when preparing to talk on the subject of

> > > > phytochemicals.

> > >

> > > Yes, the National Cancer Institute has screened over 4,000 plant species

> > > since 1955 through the Cancer Chemotherapy National Service Centre, and

> > > that the program in about 40 years of research has discovered less than

> > > a half-dozen agents that demonstrate acceptable clinical efficiency. But

> > > the study was focussd to determining cytotoxic responses rather than

> > > immune stimulation - which considerably limits its applicability.

> > >

> > > Cancer patients are today using natural substances in remedial efforts

> > > like: aloe vera, angelica, astragalus, burdock root, echinacea, flax

> > > seed, ganoderma, garlic, ginseng, green tea, hoxsey, licorice,

> > > melatonin, mistletoe, PSK, salvia or scutellaria.

> > >

> > > The absence of adequate clinical studies means these patients are

> > > functioning as uncontrolled human guinea pigs, for the will does not

> > > exist within conventional western medicine to properly evaluate the

> > > impact of such natural substances, for example on the immune system.

> > > Until it does, the cancer research organisations cannot say that they

> > > leave no stone unturned in their efforts to find a cure for cancer.

> > >

> > > It is my belief that the plant kingdom offers many substances of

> > > enormous healing benefit to mankind, and that western medicine is now

> > > only just beginning to understand the questions to ask in order to

> > > realise these benefits. With increasing environmental stress, this has

> > > become a matter of some urgency.

> > >

> > > As the pharmaceutical companies show so little interest in supporting

> > > random control tests of natural (ie non-patentable) substances, we need

> > > to galvanize the resources of international agencies and charitable

> > > foundations to support such work. For mankind there is everything to

> > > gain from this - the main cost will be to the profits of the drug

> > > companies.

> > >

> > > Cancer is BIG business nature has a cure. Let the meat be your fruit

> > and the leaves be your medicine (Holy Bible)

> >

> > James A. L. Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.,

> > World Natural Health Organization

> > Dr.Health@iname.com

> 

> Still disagree-- for example I just did a review on lycopene and found 81

> papers in the last 2 years.  People may not recognize studies dealing

> with cytokines, eicosanoids, prostaglandins,cell  superoxide, etc as

> immune studies, or studies on cell cycles, differentiation, signal

> transduction as cancer studies.

> I keep my position that if one looks, (and has a reasonable idea of what

> to look for) the studies are there.



In a way you are BOTH right.   There ARE very few studies of herbs as

such.  There ARE many studies of what are suspected of being the ACITIVE

ingredient in some of theses herbs.  But there is a very important point

to note here:   There is a FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE in the study of an

herb AS THE HERB  and the study of an (active) INGREDIENT AS AN ISOLATED

INGREDIENT:   In NATURE nutrients generally do not occur as single

chemicals (as those produced by the pharmaceutical industries), they

occur in GROUPS of (similar) RELATED chemicals.   Our concept of ACTIVE

ingredient was developed as a practical means for applying the

scientific method.   And the practice of isolating the MOST active

ingredient of a group did yield many insights and was definately a

necessary first step in the advancement of knowledge.   ****BUT IT WAS

NOT THE FINAL STEP!!***   Our economic/legal system (patenting, etc.) 

has focused on the "active" ingredient.   But it usually takes much

larger amounts of "active" ingredients (when given alone) to achieve a

given effect than it does of the related group of ingredients AND, if

given over a prolonged period, the use of an isolated active ingredient

WITHOUT the naturally accompanying co-factors often CAUSES problems.  A

good example of this is the B-complex.   And of course, it should be

remembered that, with our present state of knowledge, even the "family"

as we know it is only a SAMPLING of the true natural grouping (which, of

course, varys a lot between species and even individuals) in the same

sense that a digital recording is only a sampling of music.  How close

to "reality" our sample comes depends on the rate of sampling compared

to the amount of "information" in the system being sampled.   In some

cases, for practical purposes the sample would be a good represenation

of reality, in some cases not.   AND we often do not know how good the

"fit" is.           



Some herbs are much more effective AS HERBS (rather than extracted

ingredients).   But the pharmaceutical industry has absolutely no

interest in herbs AS HERBS.



The primary reason that our health care costs are so high is that OUR

ECONOMIC/POLITICAL SYSTEM DOES **NOT** ENCOURAGE THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND

ECONOMICAL TREATMENTS.**   It encourages the most PROFITABLE.  ANd the

most profitable is often directly opposed to the most

effective/economical.    FOr example, you make a LOT higher profit with

a TREATMENT (has to be administered indefinately) than you do with a

CURE (one course and it's done).   When looking for drugs there are

many  points where one course of investigation is chosen over another. 

And if you are a board of directors of a pharmaceutical company and one

branch points to possible CURES and one to TREATMENTS, what are you

going to choose?  



Our health care costs will be easily become affordable when we adjust

our economic/legal system to encourage the most effective and economical

PREVENTIONS primairily, CURES secondairily and TREATMENTS thirdly.    

And introduce some SANITY.  The current US system that will in some

cases not pay a penny for an inexpensive treatment know to be 100%

effective in preventing otherwise inevitable disability and, eventually,

death in an individual known to have the condition and yet will pay for

expensive treatment AFTER disablility occurs (because the law allows

payment for TREATMENT but NOT PREVENTION of the disability,  is



***DERANGED TO THE POINT OF OBSENITY!****



jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med.diseases.cancer,sci.med.immunology,alt.drugs.melatonin,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alternative Medicine: the new paradigm emerges

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:42:03 GMT



On Thu, 07 Nov 1996 22:39:42 -0500, Jim Barron

<jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com> wrote:



>Pete Beyer wrote:

>> 

>> James A.L.Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc., wrote:

>> >

>> > Nick Hunter wrote:

>> > >

>> > > Pete Beyer <pbeyer@kumc.edu> wrote:

>> > >

>> > > > I would certainly challenge you as to medline citations involving use

>> > > > of herbs (plants in general) in medicinal applications.  If one looks at

>> > > > the chemical names of the compounds, there are hundreds.

It wasn't always that way. I have many old doctor books written by

doctors that prescribed plant remidies in the 1800's. 

The laws changed as the BIG investment wheel turned.

Today we have to know why the plant works before the laws allow

prescribing plants. Once some plant is broken down to its simpliest

elements, we can't figure out how and why it works. Yet the plant in

its whole is effective in that application.

The accupuncture therapy for instance has gone thru this cycle and

once the procedure was proven under our present laws, then it was

allowed in clinical medicine.

We are converting the old rag pages of these doctor books into digital

Acrobat files. One CD is finished and is available if you want a copy.

Each CD copy is burned in with a HP CD burner, so it works on most CD

readers. Each book is authentic because we scanned each page as a

digital picture then let Adobe's software do the rest, converting into

the PDF book. Each page of each book looks and feels just like it did

then and can be read straight from the CD reader. This saves on the

hard drive. Computers that have little memory has no problems either

because of the dynamiks of the Acrobat software flushing memory when

the pages are turned. To find out more about the free downloadable

Acrobat reader, check this site out http://www.adobe.com 



Sincerely;

Margie   





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med.diseases.cancer,sci.med.immunology,alt.drugs.melatonin,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alternative Medicine: the new paradigm emerges

From: gmc0@ix.netcom.com (George M. Carter)

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 02:39:45 GMT



Pete Beyer <pbeyer@kumc.edu> wrote:





>Still disagree-- for example I just did a review on lycopene and found 81 

>papers in the last 2 years.  People may not recognize studies dealing 

>with cytokines, eicosanoids, prostaglandins,cell  superoxide, etc as 

>immune studies, or studies on cell cycles, differentiation, signal 

>transduction as cancer studies. 

>I keep my position that if one looks, (and has a reasonable idea of what 

>to look for) the studies are there.



I think you're both right. Nick's point is that there are inadequate

clinical studies to bear out the type of data you refer to. Do the

effects on eicosanoids, cell surface receptors, cytokines and so forth

have a meaningful impact on disease? There are *some* clinical data

but not enough.



And unfortunately, herbs, micronutrients and so forth are viewed with

disdain by many physicians--or at the very least, their potential

benefits are ignored. Thus, people are not prescribed them. (When did

a doctor *ever* prescribe, say, silymarin, for elevated liver

enzymes?) Further, these supplements are costly. If clinical studies

show significant benefit, it would provide a rationale to expand

Medicaid formularies to assure access to all. Indeed, publishing such

data would further boost physician confidence in making such

prescriptions. Alternatively, if the clinical studies fail to show

benefit for an indication, people could save themselves some money.



I feel that it behooves the National Institutes of Health to conduct

these types of studies. They are a government institution and thus

should not be restricted to simply servicing the pharm. industry. (So

people pay twice: once for government studies, then up the wazoo at

the incredibly inflated price the companies charge out of pure,

unadulterated, unabashed, unfettered and unconscionable greed).



Fortunately, other countries are not so beknighted. For example,

France has conducted studies of an herb to treat AIDS (SPV-30, a

freeze-dried whole part of the boxwood plant). While efficacy was

nominal, we now have some preliminary clinical data. But with the

resources the U.S. has, it is absurd that regimen studies of

nutrients, specific herbs and so forth are never conducted here.



		George M. Carter









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: lpew@sihope.com

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 06:00:27 GMT



Hello:

I am not a doctor, but offer the following data for informational

purposes ONLY:

I saw some posts for using animal antibiotics, avoiding doctor's

prescriptions, etc.  Cool idea, but all those pharmaceutical drugs are

ultimately bad for the body anyway.  I use garlic for my main

anitbiotic.  (common knowledge, but will give specifics):

1.  Juicing a few garlic cloves with carrot juice in a Champion

juiceer, and drinking will flush the body with antibiotic power,

sometimes stronger than penicillan.  (Whenever you drink fresh, live

juices, always mix your saliva in your mouth with it before swallowin

g) - drink it slowly always.

2.  Getting garlic oil capsules at Kmart or whatever, piercing the

capsule with an exacto knife, and squeezing that oil into an infected,

aching ear has always cured it overnight for me and people I know.

3.  Just using a garlic clove, (lightly crushed, with small slits cut

in it); like chewing tobacco, hold between cheek and gum, for an

several hours, has cured a sore infected throat for many people I

know.

4. Just using raw garlic in salads, etc. for common meals, should help

keep your family healthier through the cold/flu seasons.

Has anyone had specific experiences using garlic in similar manners?









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: Dave <fab@execpc.com>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 06:54:28 -0600



lpew@sihope.com wrote:

> 

> Hello:

> I am not a doctor, but offer the following data for informational

> purposes ONLY:

> I saw some posts for using animal antibiotics, avoiding doctor's

> prescriptions, etc.  Cool idea, but all those pharmaceutical drugs are

> ultimately bad for the body anyway.  I use garlic for my main

> anitbiotic.  (common knowledge, but will give specifics):



I have one for you:



I love garlic,...put it in just about everything (except on ice cream).

I also take garlic capsules every day.



A few years ago, in Milwaukee, we had cryptosporidium in our water. 

This was a nasty little bacteria, that caused stomach cramps, sweats,

diarrea, and headache.



About 250,000 people got sick in Milwaukee, and quite a few died.  My

whole familiy came down with the illness, but myself.  A few weeks after

the boil order was lidted, the local doctors were on the news, talking

about the little bugger, and they stated that garlic kills the bug. 

That was why I never got sick!



Needless to say, I firmly believe in the powers of garlic.  (Haven't

seen any vampires around, either)



Dave





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: fab@execpc.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: Altherapy Distributors International LLC <altherapydist@internetMCI.com>

Date: 7 Nov 1996 22:10:42 GMT



To fight off a cold before or early on the best is 



Echinacea/Goldenseal and Chelated Zinc 30- 50mg daily or Chelated Zinc



Lozenges.  The Zinc especially if your cold has started - will cut the



duration of cold in half!



Garlic is a great natural antibiotic.



Syd







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: bcarter@awinc.com (Bob Carter)

Date: 08 Nov 96 12:54:50 -700





In article <55tmp2$14p@news.internetmci.com>, altherapydist@internetMCI.com

(Altherapy Distributors International LLC) writes:



 ADIL> To fight off a cold before or early on the best is

 ADIL> Echinacea/Goldenseal and Chelated Zinc 30- 50mg daily or Chelated Zinc

 ADIL> Lozenges.  The Zinc especially if your cold has started - will cut the

 ADIL> duration of cold in half!

 ADIL> Garlic is a great natural antibiotic.



 ADIL> Syd



My favourite cold-beater is a pleasing hot mug of echinacea/ginger tea with a

good splash of lemon juice and sweetened with honey.  Soothing and for me

amazingly effective if taken at the *first* sign of a cold.



Speaking of chelated zinc losanges, I heard something interesting on the news

yesterday - a Cleaveland study has shown that zinc can lessen the duration and

severity of colds.  In the double-blind study one group of cold sufferers were

given zinc losanges every two hours while a control group got placebos.  The

control group's colds lasted on average 7.5 days while the zinc losange group's

colds lasted only 4.5 days.  The report went on to say that not all types of

zinc losanges were effective; they must contain at least 13mg of zinc glucomate

in combination with vitamin C.  20% of the losange takers reported side effects

like naseau and dry mouth and most remarked on the acidic taste.  The claim is

that zinc boosts the immune system and might even help to encapsulate virus

particles within the body.



Hmm, this is interesting stuff for the noon news.  I've read (in Laurel's

Kitchen) that zinc is involved in the enzyme reactions of most of the major

biochemical pathways of the body, and essential for the growth and repair of

tissues.   Also that it's chemically bound up where it is, so there's no reserve

pool for the body to draw upon for repairing tissues.  This makes it essential

to get adequate zinc in ones's diet and is an issue of concern for vegetarians

whose diet may lack in sufficient quantities of this important trace mineral.

For meatless diets the best sources are legumes, whole grains and milk products.

Fruits and vegetables are poor sources.



I wonder if certain herbs may play a role in the most efficient

absorption and use of zinc ...



To your good health, one and all!



Bob



   ____________________

  |                    |

  |     Bob Carter     | Kootenay Bay

  |  bcarter@awinc.com | BC, Canada

  |____________________|





And Adam asked "What's a Headache?"







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: "TPhantom" <TPhantom@vnet.net>

Date: 7 Nov 1996 21:18:13 GMT



I have eaten roasted garlic simply because I like the taste, However does

cooking garlic diminish it's potency?  It sure doesn't smell like it does,

and if it does, does it make it useless or simply weaker?  Thanks for any

help

Niteflame







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: TPhantom <TPhantom@vnet.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: "James A.L.Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.," <dussault@gte.net>

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 12:39:44 -0500



TPhantom wrote:

> 

> I have eaten roasted garlic simply because I like the taste, However does

> cooking garlic diminish it's potency?  It sure doesn't smell like it does,

> and if it does, does it make it useless or simply weaker?  Thanks for any

> help

> Niteflame



Yes. Any time you heat a food past 120 degrees it is DEAD FOOD.



Dr. Dussault





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives)

Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 08:49:19 GMT



lpew@sihope.com said:



>Hello:

>I am not a doctor, but offer the following data for informational

>purposes ONLY:

>I saw some posts for using animal antibiotics, avoiding doctor's

>prescriptions, etc.  Cool idea, but all those pharmaceutical drugs are

>ultimately bad for the body anyway.  I use garlic for my main

>anitbiotic.  (common knowledge, but will give specifics):

<snip>

>2.  Getting garlic oil capsules at Kmart or whatever, piercing the

>capsule with an exacto knife, and squeezing that oil into an infected,

>aching ear has always cured it overnight for me and people I know.

  I sure wish I would've heard of this earlier- I used to be really

prone to ear infections a few years ago.  This is an EXTREMELY

interesting use of garlic. 

  One problem I've had is sinus infections.  Eating/taking garlic

would probably help these, right?

---------------------------------------------------

   __                 -Hey! Who's been puttin'

  /___                     their Kools out on my

  ___/CORPION 1999            floor?

-----------------------===-------------------------







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 08:45:41 -0600



> lpew@sihope.com said:

> 



> >2.  Getting garlic oil capsules at Kmart or whatever, piercing the

> >capsule with an exacto knife, and squeezing that oil into an infected,

> >aching ear has always cured it overnight for me and people I know.





My dh has had many problems with ear infections--is it dangerous to put

it in your ears?  I just wanted to check.  And I don't know if he would

even try it.  It sounds great to me.  I love garlic!!!  But haven't

heard of doing this before.  How much, how often?  We have tried putting

hydrogen peroxide in his ears at times too.



Thank you kindly,



Karen

mailto:jbrim@prysm.net







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: lpew@sihope.com

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 05:44:18 GMT





>> >2.  Getting garlic oil capsules at Kmart or whatever, piercing the

>> >capsule with an exacto knife, and squeezing that oil into an infected,

>> >aching ear has always cured it overnight for me and people I know.





>My dh has had many problems with ear infections--is it dangerous to put

>it in your ears?  I just wanted to check.  And I don't know if he would

>even try it.  It sounds great to me.  I love garlic!!!  But haven't

>heard of doing this before.  How much, how often?  We have tried putting

>hydrogen peroxide in his ears at times too.



I use one or two capsules, squeezed into the ear, and gently insert

cotton afterwards to hold the oil in.   Just one application has

always worked for me and others.   I'm here to tell you, that this is

extremely powerful, and I've heard of no complications  -  for

infants, a person may want to dilute the garlic oil with olive oil or

something, just in case in sensitivity.  Allergies must be considered,

etc.,   Please pass this data on to non-internet friends - I believe

in collective efforts to cut down infections, etc.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: traig.s.foltz.3@nd.edu (traig foltz)

Date: 14 Nov 1996 20:56:28 GMT



In article <56bg6s$97e@darla.visi.com>, lpew@sihope.com wrote:



> >> >2.  Getting garlic oil capsules at Kmart or whatever, piercing the

> >> >capsule with an exacto knife, and squeezing that oil into an infected,

> >> >aching ear has always cured it overnight for me and people I know.

> 

> 

> >My dh has had many problems with ear infections--is it dangerous to put

> >it in your ears?  I just wanted to check.  And I don't know if he would

> >even try it.  It sounds great to me.  I love garlic!!!  But haven't

> >heard of doing this before.  How much, how often?  We have tried putting

> >hydrogen peroxide in his ears at times too.

> 

> I use one or two capsules, squeezed into the ear, and gently insert

> cotton afterwards to hold the oil in.   Just one application has

> always worked for me and others.   I'm here to tell you, that this is

> extremely powerful, and I've heard of no complications  -  for

> infants, a person may want to dilute the garlic oil with olive oil or

> something, just in case in sensitivity.  Allergies must be considered,

> etc.,   Please pass this data on to non-internet friends - I believe

> in collective efforts to cut down infections, etc.



i can vouche for both hydro. peroxide and garlic oil as cures for

earaches.  i just had an ear infection which i cured with hydro. peroxide

and sweat.  i put a capful of hydro. peroxide in the ear that was hurting

and laid down on my side to keep it in my ear for about 10 minutes, then i

repeated the procedure.  after i did the hydro. thing i got my warmest

sweats/sweatshirt/long underwear on and set my electric blanket to "HI"

and sweated out the rest of the fever/infection.  try it next time you

have a massive presentation on saturday and a bad ear infection on

friday!  it works....





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: yu174267@yorku.ca (Lily Phan)

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 20:34:43 GMT



Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net> wrote:



>> lpew@sihope.com said:

>> 



>> >2.  Getting garlic oil capsules at Kmart or whatever, piercing the

>> >capsule with an exacto knife, and squeezing that oil into an infected,

>> >aching ear has always cured it overnight for me and people I know.





>My dh has had many problems with ear infections--is it dangerous to put

>it in your ears?  I just wanted to check.  And I don't know if he would

>even try it.  It sounds great to me.  I love garlic!!!  But haven't

>heard of doing this before.  How much, how often?  We have tried putting

>hydrogen peroxide in his ears at times too.



>Thank you kindly,



>Karen

>mailto:jbrim@prysm.net



My friend claims that whenever he ingests garlic his knee joints

become really painful, so much so that he can hardly walk or bend

them. His doctor doesn't know what's wrong--is there anything in

garlic that can cause this?







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: Terence 'Benzev' Wulfsohn <terencew@igubu.saix.net>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 14:30:51 +0200



snip



> My friend claims that whenever he ingests garlic his knee joints

> become really painful, so much so that he can hardly walk or bend

> them. His doctor doesn't know what's wrong--is there anything in

> garlic that can cause this?



From the Ayurvedic medicine perspective your friend may imbalanced

metabolically. This imbalance could be a tendency of his nature (fiery,

type A individual) or it may be seasonal (hot summer weather). In

either  case it probably would be an idea to avoid or reduce the amount

of garlic he is eating.



Regards



Ben Wulfsohn





-- 

Terence 'Benzev' Wulfsohn

139 Edmonds Road

Glenwood

Durban 4001

South Africa



tel: 031 2060243  

email: terencew@igubu.saix.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: lpew@sihope.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 09:58:41 -0800



lpew@sihope.com wrote:

> 

> Hello:

> I am not a doctor, but offer the following data for informational

> purposes ONLY:

> I saw some posts for using animal antibiotics, avoiding doctor's

> prescriptions, etc.  Cool idea, but all those pharmaceutical drugs are

> ultimately bad for the body anyway.  I use garlic for my main

> anitbiotic.  (common knowledge, but will give specifics):

> 1.  Juicing a few garlic cloves with carrot juice in a Champion

> juiceer, and drinking will flush the body with antibiotic power,

> sometimes stronger than penicillan.  (Whenever you drink fresh, live

> juices, always mix your saliva in your mouth with it before swallowin

> g) - drink it slowly always.

> 2.  Getting garlic oil capsules at Kmart or whatever, piercing the

> capsule with an exacto knife, and squeezing that oil into an infected,

> aching ear has always cured it overnight for me and people I know.

> 3.  Just using a garlic clove, (lightly crushed, with small slits cut

> in it); like chewing tobacco, hold between cheek and gum, for an

> several hours, has cured a sore infected throat for many people I

> know.

> 4. Just using raw garlic in salads, etc. for common meals, should help

> keep your family healthier through the cold/flu seasons.

> Has anyone had specific experiences using garlic in similar manners?



Ayurveda uses several natural(herbal) antibiotics. Garlic is one, but it

is not good for Pitta dosha (fiery constitutions)- persons with acne,

acid, blood or skin problems, diarrhea.

  Good herbs include turmeric which also replaces intestinal flora,

guduchi and shilajit.

  For more information contact

http://www.holistic.com/listings/11709ac1.html or email me.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GARLIC as antibiotic

From: Henrietta_Dukes@RedwoodFN.org (Henrietta Dukes)

Date: 10 Nov 1996 00:56:54 GMT



I use garlic salt on my popcorn all the time. Other than that I don't 

use much garlic, but I am one of the healthiest people you could 

know. While everyone else is sick with flu and colds, I just keep 

moving along on my merry old way. Thanks for the tips on garlic. I 

would be interested in learning other ways to use garlic.



~~~~~~~Henri~~~~~~~

Friends of the Free-Net

Membership Coordinator

& RFN User



Long Live the Free-Net!



--- OffRoad 1.9p registered to Henrietta Dukes







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dragon Herbs?

From: richarda@awod.com (Richard Aristegui)

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 01:26:31 -0500



Has anyone ever know anything about dragon herbs?



Please reply to:

richarda@awod.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Does anyone know......

From: Nik <Spliffy@greenfingers.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:02:02 +0000





Hi,

I've only just subscribed to this newsgroup so please accept my

apologies if my question has been voiced before.



Does anyone know of any simple herbal aid/remedy for cirrhosis

(spelling??) and possible cancer of the liver - something to slow down

the process perhaps.



If so, please advise.

-- 

Nik



Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Does anyone know......

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 11 Nov 1996 17:39:44 GMT



Nik <Spliffy@greenfingers.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>

> 

> Hi,

> I've only just subscribed to this newsgroup so please accept my

> apologies if my question has been voiced before.

> 

> Does anyone know of any simple herbal aid/remedy for cirrhosis

> (spelling??) and possible cancer of the liver - something to slow down

> the process perhaps.

> 

> If so, please advise.

> -- 

> Nik

> 

> Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/





Nik; Milk Thistle seed, and extracts of it, have been used to "heal"

the liver. Several other herbs are said to be helpful also. I presume

the patient has received proper professional medical care first? If

not it is essential that they do so right away. Don't try to self 

medicate without professional advice in a case potentially this

serious.



                    In good health (through herbs), Jerry





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fighting off  a cold

From: Fay Curtis <grizzly@digisys.net>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 08:51:28 -0700



Hi!



I recently added a new dimension to my site - an herbal recipe of the

month. This months recipe is about fighting off colds, very handy this

time of the year, at least here in the states! 

-- 

Natalie Norrell

http://www.the-grizz.com/nn/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.com

Subject: Re: Epstein Barr Virus

From: Della Noche <dnoche@wco.com>

Date: 7 Nov 96 17:04:46 GMT



Hi, Bob!  You refer to when you *had CFIDS - what happened?  Did it just 

go into remission?  My husband's appeared to be "cured" by *massive* 

doses of antibiotics - only took 2 years and nearly dying before he was 

pumped full of them while an inpatient after being admitted thru the ER.



Thanks,



dn



Bob Foster <bfoster@blvl.igs.net> wrote:

>I think you might be referring to the epstein barr virus. At one time it

>was considered to be a possible candidtate for the cause of chronic

>fatigue syndrome. I think this has been largely discounted, however.

>About 70% of the population have this virus, most with no ill effects.

>If the count is higher for people with chronic fatigue syndrome/ chronic

>fatigue immune deficiency syndrome, it is probably just because the

>virus is opportunistic and it tends to take over and do well in

>situations where the body is already run down.

>

>At least that's where the discussion stood about 4 years ago when I had

>CFS. Does anyone have more up-to-date information?

>

>If you're looking for a cure for CFS, the only approaches that seem to

>work are holistic in nature. Herbs can help to support the body, but the

>illness is a signal of the need for more major changes than just popping

>something into your mouth.

>

>Bob Foster

>

>	http://www.blvl.igs.net/~bfoster/









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Epstein Barr Virus

From: italialu@aol.com

Date: 7 Nov 1996 20:48:18 GMT



I was diagnosed with Epstein Barr and I just feel tired all the time.  I

was told to do nothing about it but just rest, rest, rest.  I feel that

something should be done about it.  What can I do?  I just joined this

newsgroup and was surprised to see this.  



Thanks

Luciana (Italialu@aol.com)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.com

Subject: Re: Echinacea?

From: Della Noche <dnoche@wco.com>

Date: 7 Nov 96 17:11:31 GMT



Have you tried vegetable glycerine?  I haven't but have heard good things 

about it - I know the "pro" tinctures with it that I've bought taste 

very, very sweet to me.  Not a problem.



I used 50% alcohol (100 proof) recently with good results.  Everclear is 

apparently illegal here in California.  (!?!)



But my local Safeway doesn't carry anything over 80 proof (40%) so I did 

have to go to a liquor store.  I told the clerk what I wanted and she was 

very helpful with scouting the shelves - we ended up with Stoly.



It was obvious that she thought this was a waste of expensive vodka tho.

:-)



Oh, well - worked fine.



dn



renae@saratoga (Renae Ransdorf) wrote:

>Scott Devitt (warhol@netcom.com) wrote:

>: In article <325DE994.1235@transport.com>, dlf3k@transport.com says...

>: >

>: >#4  When making a tincture, it has been recommended to use 100 proof

>: >vodka.  As Christians, we would feel very uncomfortable walking into a

>: >liquor store and purchasing this, even for medicinal reasons!  Is there

>: >a substitute that I can use?  I read that you can use apple cider

>: >vinegar...will this work with all herbs?

>: >

>: Two choices. Use apple cider vinegar or use vodka and transfer the tinture to distilled

>: water by bringing the water to a boil and poring into the vodka tinture. That will drive all the 

>: vodka out.

>

>Or get one of your libertine friends to 

>buy it for you.  :-) 

>

>RLR 

>









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs during pregnancy

From: ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:27:11 GMT



jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz) wrote:



>TPhantom (TPhantom@vnet.net) wrote:

>: Does anyone know of any herbs that are NOT recommended during pregnancy? 

>: If you can name the source of your information this would also help.  I am

>: trying to find any good sources of inf. re: herbs that are safe and ones

>: that are unsafe during pregnancy.  Is there anything that I should avoid if

>: I even THINK I'm pregnant?  Thanks for your help.

>: crystal



>there is a book called the womans herbal, but i cant remember who wrote it.. this will help,

 also, any book you find that has a table in it of the actions and

contraindications of herbs, should tell you which ones are

contraindicated in pregnancy.. however, you shouldnt really need to

take herbs every day like most things, herbs are only of use if there

is smething to fix.. and if it aint broke...



love ashryn







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs during pregnancy

From: Bob Carter <bcarter@awinc.com>

Date: 13 Nov 96 13:27:05 -700



TPhantom (TPhantom@vnet.net) wrote:



 T> Does anyone know of any herbs that are NOT recommended during pregnancy?

 T> If you can name the source of your information this would also help.  I am

 T> trying to find any good sources of inf. re: herbs that are safe and ones

 T> that are unsafe during pregnancy.  Is there anything that I should avoid

 T> if I even THINK I'm pregnant?  Thanks for your help. crystal



Try Michael Moore's Herbal Contradictions Page at:



  http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsMM/HerbMedContra1.txt



There is an extensive list of herbs to avoid during pregnancy in this document.



Good luck and congratulations!



Bob



   ____________________

  |                    |

  |     Bob Carter     | Kootenay Bay

  |  bcarter@awinc.com | BC, Canada

  |____________________|







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs during pregnancy

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:06:41 -0500



In article <795.6891T807T290@awinc.com>, Bob Carter <bcarter@awinc.com> wrote:



> TPhantom (TPhantom@vnet.net) wrote:

> 

>  T> Does anyone know of any herbs that are NOT recommended during pregnancy?

>  T> If you can name the source of your information this would also help.  I am

>  T> trying to find any good sources of inf. re: herbs that are safe and ones

>  T> that are unsafe during pregnancy.  Is there anything that I should avoid

>  T> if I even THINK I'm pregnant?  Thanks for your help. crystal

> 

> Try Michael Moore's Herbal Contradictions Page at:

> 

>   http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsMM/HerbMedContra1.txt

> 

> There is an extensive list of herbs to avoid during pregnancy in this

document.

> 

> Good luck and congratulations!

> 

> Bob

> 

>    ____________________

>   |                    |

>   |     Bob Carter     | Kootenay Bay









Try reading Rosemary Gladstars Herbal Healing for Women She is the best.

She has recipes and dosages for every stage in a womens life. 

>   |  bcarter@awinc.com | BC, Canada

>   |____________________|



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chinese Herbs for Psoriasis?

From: ashryn@it.com.au (ashryn)

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:46:13 GMT



doherbs@aol.com (DO HERBS) wrote:



>In article <5505aa$dct@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ogydoggy@aol.com (Ogy

>doggy) writes:



>>

>>Hello All.

>>   I have posted here before and had one response , so I will try again .



>>  My son age 19.5 suffers form Psoriasis , This is a strange disorder in

>>that they seem to know so little about it . He now has it on his back

>>,scalp, fingernails, ect. small patches here and there and the itching is

>>making me itch to .



>instead of echinacea, use astragalus, it is much more siuted to

 deep seated problems of immunity and resistance, unfortunately,

 echinacea has been "over prescribed" for inappropriate things, and

everyone seems to consider it a cure-all, which it is not. echinacea

should be used for any acute ailment, and make use of other, better

suited herbs for deeper rooted probelms. the other advice though seems

great :)

good luck

love ashryn



ps, it has been said that eczema and psoriasis is caused by a feeling

of lack of mother love.. though i am not too sure of its accuracy..

nevertheless, it is something to think aboout i guess..









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chinese Herbs for Psoriasis?

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard)

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:33:38 GMT



>>In article <5505aa$dct@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ogydoggy@aol.com (Ogy

>>doggy) writes:



>>>

>>>Hello All.

>>>   I have posted here before and had one response , so I will try again .



>>>  My son age 19.5 suffers form Psoriasis , This is a strange disorder in

>>>that they seem to know so little about it . He now has it on his back

>>>,scalp, fingernails, ect. small patches here and there and the itching is

>>>making me itch to .



One chinese herbal patents formula is Lienchiaopaitu Pien (in chinese Lian Qiao Bai Du

Pian) produced by Tientsin Drug Manufactury in box of 12 vials of 8 tablets.

Dosage : 4-6 tablets 3 times/day

CAUTION: Do not use with pregnant women; do not eat spicy food during the treatment..

Available in chinese herbs stores.



I hope this helps,



Richard







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Head lice & listerine

From: Betsy Zucker <bzucker@spiritone.com>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 15:46:32 -0500



Okay, laugh.



Years ago, someone told me that rinsing hair with listerine (yes, the

mouthwash)would cure a mild case of head lice.



The stuff does have thymol and alcohol in it.  Seems like it might work.



Anybody have experience with it?  



Betsy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Betsy Zucker <bzucker@spiritone.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Head lice & listerine

From: Sisyphus <sisyphus@polaris.mindport.net>

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 14:46:12 -0500



On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Betsy Zucker wrote:



> Okay, laugh.

> 

> Years ago, someone told me that rinsing hair with listerine (yes, the

> mouthwash)would cure a mild case of head lice.

> 

> The stuff does have thymol and alcohol in it.  Seems like it might work.

> 

> Anybody have experience with it?  



Well, not for head lice specifically, but I use Listerine for dandruff.

It works.  When I had a cat, he would sleep on my pillow while I was out,

I got a teriffic scalp infection from that.  Listerine cured it.  Now I

have a dog.  Same problem.  Listerine works every time.  (BTW, I use the

store brand "Listerine".  It smells the same, [I think it's the eucalyptus

oil] and it's a whole lot cheaper.)











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sorell(not sure of spelling!)

From: catmanm@ix.netcom.com(James R. Prell)

Date: 7 Nov 1996 22:08:15 GMT



Last year I was introduced to this Jamaican drink.  It is served like a

cold tea and is quite delicious!  I felt so much at ease after drinking

this mixture.  Does anyone know anything about this drink?  Are there

any real medicinal benefits to this or was it just my imagination? 

I've had some again this year in a different state (Florida), with the

same calming effects.  I'd like to learn more.  Thanx in advance!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sorell(not sure of spelling!)

From: pleasure@netcom.com (A Tangled Web)

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 04:39:34 GMT



James R. Prell (catmanm@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: Last year I was introduced to this Jamaican drink.  It is served like a

: cold tea and is quite delicious!  I felt so much at ease after drinking

: this mixture.  Does anyone know anything about this drink?  Are there

: any real medicinal benefits to this or was it just my imagination? 

: I've had some again this year in a different state (Florida), with the

: same calming effects.  I'd like to learn more.  Thanx in advance!



That's sorrel, a sour and lemony herb that is a good salad, garnish or 

tea.  I do not know the medicinal properties of the herb, but its taste 

is certainly pleasant.



-Marian Fettiplace, St. Cuthbert's Guild





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sorell(not sure of spelling!)

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:46:17 GMT



catmanm@ix.netcom.com(James R. Prell) wrote:



>Last year I was introduced to this Jamaican drink.  It is served like a

>cold tea and is quite delicious!  I felt so much at ease after drinking

>this mixture.  Does anyone know anything about this drink?  Are there

>any real medicinal benefits to this or was it just my imagination? 



If it is made with true sorrel herb, an excellent beverage that would

make and a good substitute for regular iced tea.  Sorrel decreases

kidney and gall stones and other deposits instead of causing them,

like regular iced tea.  It reportedly has antiparasitic and blood

cleansing properties and will reduce fever as well.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: goldenseal growing

From: grizzley@netheaven.com

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:51:44 -0600



Growing goldenseal is really not that hard. You just need to find the

right combo of shade and light. I likes about 65% shade and grows in

rich woodland settings. Sometimes that is difficult. Hardwoods with

maples, ash, cherry and others that the leaves decompose in one year are

the best.

	It spreads naturally by the roots putting on new buds and no fertilizer

is needed. Also, exsisting plants may be cut leaving a bud on each part

and replanted.

	Too much shade and it grows slowly, too much light and it burns. The

seeds sometimes sprout, but grow slowly. Try buying some planting roots

and putting them in several locations to see which give the best growth.

Transplanted roots almost always grow if not the first year the second. 

	I live in Central NY and have been growing for 4 yrs with success.

	The problem with buying roots is that you don't know where they came

from. I don't approve of digging wild roots for commercial resale as it

is becoming scarcer, but selling cultivated rootlets which are no

different than wild or digging some wild for your own replanting I think

is ok. 

	Also if when digging wild, some of the rootlets are left, they will

develop buds and grow.

	Email with questions.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Athsma?

From: "Mark D. Linkiewicz" <melalinkinc@geocities.com>

Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 17:53:07 -0800



I was wondering if there is any herbal treatment for athsma.  I have had

it for 3 years nows, and I am a bit over weight due to my lack of

energy, is there any herbal treatments that could help me?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: dussault@gte.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Athsma?

From: Altherapy Distributors International LLC <altherapydist@internetMCI.com>

Date: 8 Nov 1996 18:34:01 GMT



There are so many Herbs, Food Supplements, Vitamins etc.... for Asthma.



You might want to try:



Licorice Root:  Stimulates production of Interferon.  Decreases muscle 

spasms and stimulates mucus flow from the lungs and bronchial tubes.  Also 

believed to heal inflamed mucous membranes in the respiratory tract.

SIDE EFFECTS:  *Long term use or excessive amounts can produce headache, 

lethargy, sodium and water retention, excessive loss of potassium and high 

blood pressure.



Ginkgo Biloba:  Increases blood flow and oxygenation to the cells.  In 

many studies it has shown good results in treating Asthma.



Mullein:  Used extensively in traditional cultures (i.e. native American) 

to treat lung problems and asthmatic conditions.  The soothing effect of 

the herb is ideal for asthma and lung ailments.



Co-Enzyme Q10:  Can offset the histamine in the system.  Increases 

production of interferon in the body to help counteract disease.



Blue-Green Algae:  Strenghtens the body and has anti-inflammatory 

properties.



Bee Pollen;  Considered a complete food.  Promotes energy and healing. 

Contains virtually every chemical substance needed to maintain life (21 

amino Acids, enzymes responsible for the body's chemical reactions, all 

vitamins, minerals and trace minerals).  Reputed to have the ability to 

correct body chemistry and unhealthy conditions. *Make SURE you are not 

allergic to bee pollen!!



Our company is a true wholesale distributor of all these products, but 

most importantly and INFORMATION SOURCE for Better Health.  We have 

physicians on staff to help provide information on various ailments.  Our 

company is trying to help empower people with their Insurance Companies 

and Physicians to know what is available for treatment with particualr 

diseases or ailments.



If you like - go to our WEB SITE:  http://www.choicemall.com/adi.  Go to 

"What Ail's You" (Click on Asthma).  We have every vitamin, herb, mineral 

etc..needed for Asthma.  We also have Better Health Booklets on Asthma

from Conventional medicine to ALL Alternative Medicine.  The "Cliff 

Notes".



We are also hyperlinked to Medicine on Line for additional information.



Syd







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Ingredients Needed

From: janetkv@aol.com

Date: 8 Nov 1996 03:28:15 GMT



I have recently dicovered the world of medicinal herbs.  I am very much

interested in making my own herbal products for my self and my family,

tinctures, salves, shampoos etc.  I have located one source for mail order

herbs and I have a few good local sources. I did grow a few herbs in my

garden this summer.  I look forward to the hours spent this winter

planning for a larger garden. I am really interested in a source for

lanolin,  essential oils, beeswax, cosmetic clay, glycerine.  My local

Health food store sells a bit but I am looking for a better price.  I am

also interested in soap making.  Any info would be appreciated.



My e-mail is JanetKV@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Ingredients Needed

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 14:02:38 GMT



Oh Hey! Think I just found a little treasure and I want to share this

information with this newsgroup.... 

*Farmer and Consumers 

Market Bulletin

Georgia Dept of Agriculture

19 Martin Luther King Drive

Atlanta, GA. 30334-4250

(404) 656-3722

Maybe ask for a sample issue. If you live in Georgia it is a free

subscription. Out of State $10.00 per year (Weekly issues).

All kinds of neat stuff, herbs, seeds, raw honey, home made soap, food

stuffs, etc..  Sounds like fun! 

Simple down to earth newspaper contry folk advertise in to sell all

kinds of neat wares. Chuck full of little advertisements too. Kinda

like the back of a magazine but all neat down to earth stuff.

I talked with a large mail order herb catalogue sales person once,

they stated they get many of their herbs, supplies they sell in their

catalogue from people out in the country side. Well, maybe now we can

first hand too.

The sample newspaper I just recieved from a internet friend thru US

mail that lives in Georgia is about the same size as one of those

National Enquirer type papers at the Greo. check out stands, but only

12 pages. Same quality of paper as regular newspapers too. 

He states, "everything he ever bought from the bulletin is just great!

In the summertime, there is a lot more herbs and seasonal things".



Have Fun



Margie

Margie's Rare Books And Plant Cliart

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Curcumen Use

From: thetasig@ix.netcom.com (Theta Sigma)

Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 06:52:06 GMT



I would be very interested in hearing your experience of using

Curcumin - an extract from Turmeric - or using Turmeric for medicinal

purposes.  (no curry recipes please ;-)  Thank you.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Theta Sigma <thetasig@ix.netcom.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Curcumen Use

From: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 10:03:27 -0800



Theta Sigma wrote:

> 

> I would be very interested in hearing your experience of using

> Curcumin - an extract from Turmeric - or using Turmeric for medicinal

> purposes.  (no curry recipes please ;-)  Thank you.



Ayurveda finds turmeric, a simple cooking spice, highly useful in

healing. It is a natural antibiotic that also replaces intestinal flora,

it cleanses blood, heals scar tissue, removes acne, is high in

antioxidant properties, improves circulation (eg cold hands and feet),

amennorrhea, cough, diabetes, arthritis, jaundice, hepatitis, improves

digestion and helps strecth ligaments for yoga people and weight

lifters.

   We have found all these to take effect in our clients over the years.

  For more information visit

http://www.holistic.com/listings/11709ac1.html or email me.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chinese herbs information

From: newcole@magna.com.au (Evan Cole and Jan Newby)

Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 12:41:11 GMT



Does anyone know of really good chinese herbal information?  About

what the various herbs do?  Not just someone trying to sell something

with slick and non-helpful information.



Could you please post the Web page info.  I would be very grateful.



thanks.  Jan Newby







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chinese herbs information

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard)

Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 14:00:30 GMT



newcole@magna.com.au (Evan Cole and Jan Newby) wrote:



>Does anyone know of really good chinese herbal information?  About

>what the various herbs do?  Not just someone trying to sell something

>with slick and non-helpful information.



>Could you please post the Web page info.  I would be very grateful.



>thanks.  Jan Newby



Here is some excellents books:



- Chinese Herbal Medicine by Daniel P. Reid

- Chinese Herbal Medicine Materia Medica by D. Bensky & A. Gamble

- Chinese Tonic Herbs by Ron Teeguarden

- Chinese Herbal Cures by Henry C. Lu



I hope this helps,



Richard







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: keb@breath-of.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SUPER SEX ENHANCER!!!

From: Altherapy Distributors International LLC <altherapydist@internetMCI.com>

Date: 8 Nov 1996 18:01:23 GMT



If you want additional sources of sex enhancers you might want to try:



Ginkgo Biloba :  There are a number of antidepressants such as Prozac, 

Zoloft,Paxil etc......... that do wonders to lift spirits, but take the 

joy out of sex.  A recent study out of the University of California San 

Francisco suggests Ginkgo Bilobo may be an antidote.



2-60mg capsules, taken 4 times daily.



All of the men and women who participated in this study experienced 

diminished libido and delayed orgasm as a result of Anti-Depressants.  

After taking capsules, 86% reported substantial improvement in their 

sexual function with virtually no side effects.  Ginkgo Biloba seems to 

restore blood flow to the genitalia, which is often blocked by 

serotonin-enhancing drugs.



Yohimbine Bark:  A number of studies from Standford University and by the 

Nation Institutes of Health suggest Yohimbine HCI (aphrodyne et/al)

and medications that contain it do enhance erectile function in some men. 

This promotes ability when sexual desires were present in men, but when 

their penile veins weren't up to much contracting.



Clary Sage: Aromatherapy is a excellent aphrodisiac.  It has "Euphoria

producing properties".



You may also suffer from vascular disease, clogged up arteries, high fat 

diet, lack of excercise or other medical reasons. 



Our company is a wholesale distributor of all these products, but most 

importantly an information source for BETTER HEALTH.  We have Physicians 

on staff to help provide information on various ailments.  Our company is 

trying to help empower people with their Insurance Companies and 

Physicians to know what is available for treatment with particular 

diseases or ailments.  We also have BETTER HEALTH BOOKLETS on all the 

various diseases or ailments.

 

If you like - go check out our Web Page:  http://www.choicemall.com/adi



Go to "What Ail's You" and it will give you tones of information on 

particular diseases - we are also hyperlinked to Medicine on Line.



Syd 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Newbie would like advice on Depression

From: swol@worldnet.att.net (Swol in Lindstrom, Minnesota)

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 03:03:57 GMT



Hello,



I'm new to this group. Would anyone out there know of anything that

could be used in place of pharmacuticals(sp) for bi-polar depression?



I've been on prescription meds about 8 months and would REALLY like to

get rid of them.



Thanks.



Rich in Lindstrom





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Newbie would like advice on Depression

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 05:26:32 GMT



On 09 Nov 1996, swol@worldnet.att.net (Swol in Lindstrom, Minnesota) wrote:



>I'm new to this group. Would anyone out there know of anything that

>could be used in place of pharmacuticals(sp) for bi-polar depression?



A diet change may work in place of pharmeceuticals. Here's an article that

argues that many cases of depression are caused by gluten. For more

articles by Ron you can visit: http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/



Also here are two people you can contact that used the gluten-free diet to

control their depression: Lynn Worden <birdsong@eburg.com> was bi-polar,

and Max Desorgher <maxdes@xs4all.nl>.





From: RBHOGGAN@cbe.ab.ca

Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 00:11:21 -0700 (MST)

Subject: Depression



There is a tremendous volume of information that ties depressive illness 

to gluten intolerance.



In 1976, Dr. Richard Mackarness published his book "NOT ALL IN THE MIND"

through Thorsons of Hammersmith, London, and San Francisco. He repeatedly 

demonstrates that food allergies, especially in gluten allergies or 

intolerance, behavioural and psychiatric symptoms are common. 



Cooke & Holmes, in their book, "COELIAC DISEASE" published by Churchill 

Livingstone, New York, 1984, they repeatedly cite depressive illness as 

THE MOST COMMON symptom of gluten intolerance. They also cite a study 

that demonstrated that newly diagnosed celiacs recover from their 

depressions much more quickly when their diets are supplemented with 

vitamin B6. Of course, malabsorption of fat soluble vitamins is legion in

gluten intolerance, but all vitamin absorption is a problem. The jejunal 

microvilli are damaged such that they do not absorb fats (and therefore 

fat soluble vitamins) very well, but B6, B12, and folic acid deficiencies 

that virtually always accompany gluten intolerance, are all involved in 

neurotransmission. 



Do not be misled. Because fats can be made from other foods, the 

malabsorption associated with gluten intolerance need not suggest an 

underweight condition in our calorie rich diets. 



Dr Kozlowska, in her article "Evaluation of Mental Status of Children 

with Malabsorption Syndrome After Long-Term Treatment" published in 

"PSYCHIATRIA POLSKA" 25/2 Mar/Apr. 1991, identified fully 71% of the 

children they studied as having psychiatric disturbances. 



In "PRINCIPLES OF ANATOMY AND PHYSIOLOGY" 6th ed. by Tortora & 

Anagnostakos, Harper & Row, New York, 1990, the authors make the very 

clear statement:

"you will also learn that certain disorders such as Parkinson's disease, 

Alzheimer's disease, depression, anxiety, and schizophrenia involve 

improperly functioning neurotransmitters."



Opioids, of course, will compete for endorphin receptors in the synapses, 

thus altering the neurotransmission at synapses where the opioids have 

attached.



Zioudrou et. al. in "Opioid Peptides Derived From Food Proteins" in 

"JOURNAL OF BIOLOGICAL CHEMISTRY" vol. 254, no. 7, page 2446, April 10, 

1979, clearly demonstrated that pepsin digests of wheat can form these 

opioids in the gut. 



Husby, et. al. in "Passage of Undegraded Dietary Antigen into the Blood 

of Healthy Adults" in "SCAND. JOURNAL OF IMMUNOLOGY" 22, 1985, 

demonstrate how these opioids pass through the intestinal wall, and into 

the bloodstream. 



Paul H. Black, in "Psychoneuroimmunology: Brain and Immunity" in 

SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN SCIENCE & MEDICINE, vol. 2, issue 6, p. 16, Nov-Dec, 

1995, has shown how opioids may enter the brain through the HPA axis, 

thereby bypassing the blood brain barrier. 



These are just two possible explanations for depression in celiac 

disease. There are many more. The point is that such depressions need to 

be treated with a gluten-free diet, and vitamin supplementation, where 

possible intravenously, because of poor absorption. 



 

I am not a doctor. I am just trying offer an alternative. Please consult 

a physician for advice pertinent to your situation. For instance, if her 

health permits, you might have her fast for three days. If there is an 

improvement, then the problem is quite likely the result of something she 

is eating. A physician would be able to determine if she is fit enough to 

safely undertake such a fast.  



I hope that is helpful,



Ron Hoggan



====================================



Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 21:36:55 -0700 (MST)

From: "Ronald Hoggan, Queen Elizabeth High School" <RBHOGGAN@cbe.ab.ca>

Subject: Re: more on Depression and Gluten on autism list



Hi Don,

You might point the discussion at:

Saelid G, et. al. "Peptide-Containing Fractions in Depression" _Biol 

Psychiatry_ 1985;20: 245-256



This is a report that demonstrates a variation in urinary peptides in

psychotic depression. Nonetheless, it is difficult to argue that opioids

cannot be involved in depression, when this group reports what appear

to be the same peptides in the urine of depressed people, in greater 

quantity than normal. Bear in mind that psychotic depression often 

includes hallucinations.......which brings us back to LSD....

for what its worth, they make the point that the peptides can not be

clearly connected to diet. In fact, they seem to be of the opinion 

that the peptides are endogenous, and a peptidase insufficiency is at the

root of the problem. But isn't it fairly possible that exogenous peptides

with opioid activity, assuming increased intestinal permeability, might

offer an explanation for this? I think so. 



===========================



Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:21:48 -0700 (MST)

From: "Ronald Hoggan, Queen Elizabeth High School" <RBHOGGAN@cbe.ab.ca>



BTW  here is a direct quote:

"Abnormal plasma amino acid concentrations have been found in children with



celiac disease and could be implicated in mood and behavioural disorders."



I'm sure you're aware that peptides are chains of amino acids. 



Goggins & Kelleher "Celiac Disease and Other nutrient Related Injuries to

the Gastrointestinal Tract" _The American Journal of Gastroenterology_

1994; 89(8): S2 -S13.



===========================



For more information on gluten intolerance this page points to all Net

resources:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: donwiss@panix.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Newbie would like advice on Depression

From: Altherapy Distributors International LLC <altherapydist@internetMCI.com>

Date: 11 Nov 1996 18:38:41 GMT



Don,



There are a number of Herbs, Food Supplements, Minerals, Vitamins,

Dietary and Daily Recommendation etc............for depression.



One of the best Herbs:

St Johns Wort - used historically as a mood elevator.



Gotu Kola-This herb stimulates the central nervous system and enhances 

brain function.  Considered "food for the brain", it is often used to 

treat mental problems such as depression and memory loss.



Ginkgo Biloba- Used to improve electrical transmission in nerves and to 

supply more nutirion and oxygen to the brain.  Helps with brain function, 

cebral circulation and improves depressed states of mind.



AMINO ACIDS:



L-Phenylalanine- Often used to treat depression.  Its action on the 

central nervous system elevates moods and helps overcome depressed states 

of mind.



L-Tyrosine- Boosts production of adrenaline and dopamine, both of which 

influence moods and helps reduce the side efects of the reactions to 

stress.  A deficiency can result in mood disorders such as depression.



There are a number of addional products as well as Ayurveda herbs, 

Aromatherapy etc.......



I invite you to our web site for lots of information on Alternative 

Medicine on Depression.



http://www.choicemall.com/adi



Click on What Ail's You and go to Depression and click on that - it will 

give you all the herbs, vitamins, food supplements, aromatherapy, etc.. 

you need.



We also have Better Health Booklets on Depression which provides 

comprehensive up-to-date information on a large variety of health 

conditions.  The booklets target specific conditions or ailments and lays 

out the recommended do's and don'ts in a complete and concise manner-from 

conventional medicine to alternative therapies.  



These booklets provide the information you need to help manage your own 

Health Care.  The "Cliff Notes" to better health, they concentrate an 

enormous amount of information into a concise, convenient and easy read 

layout.  They are also "Free" in some instances. (Authored by a Physician)



We also have all the products you need at true wholesale prices (We Are

NOT multi-level marketing).  We specialize in Vitamins, Herbs, SkinCare,

DietAids, Aromatherapy but most importantly Information to give you Better 

Health and have physicians on staff.



We will shortly be adding specialized herbs from the Caribbean and 

India (Ayurveda Herbs).



I hope this was of some help.



Syd













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Newbie would like advice on Depression

From: ravel@cycor.ca (Syd Baumel)

Date: 12 Nov 96 17:41:19 -600



>I'm new to this group. Would anyone out there know of anything that

>could be used in place of pharmacuticals(sp) for bi-polar depression?



>I've been on prescription meds about 8 months and would REALLY like to

>get rid of them.



>Thanks.



>Rich in Lindstrom



Rich,



I'm new to this group too and have been "lurking with interest" for a week or

two.  For the depressive phase, just about any of the nonpharmaceutical

treatments for unipolar depression can work, but you have to watch out for

being pushed right up into hypomania or mania.  The mellower, mood-regulating

antidepressants, like vitamin C, magnesium, tryptophan, and 5-

hydroxytryptophan (5HTP), are less likely to pose that risk.  For the manic

phase, very large doses of magnesium, tryptophan, choline (usually in the form

of phosphatidylcholine-rich lecithin), and glycine have all been used with

success in clinical trials (but watch out: too much choline can be

depressing). So have negative air-ion generators. An interesting, but little-

publicized finding is that calcium seems to feed bipolar disorder, just as

magnesium -- calcium's natural counterbalance in the body -- mitigates it.

Bipolars should probably try and get just enough calcium, but no more, while

experimenting with a high magnesium intake to see what good it might do them.

Too much sodium and not enough of _its_ counterbalance, potassium, may also

promote mood disorders of either "polarity."  I discuss these subjects in

greater detail in my book.



Best,



Syd



Syd Baumel

author of Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing, 1995,

1-800-858-7014, http://www.keats.com)







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Newbie would like advice on Depression

From: ravel@cycor.ca (Syd Baumel)

Date: 19 Nov 96 18:46:33 -600



>I am sorry but I heard ST. John's wort was not to be used with a

>Bi-polar depression.    This is a very serious form of depression.



That's news to me, and not what I would expect.  Do you remember where you

heard it?



the other Syd



Syd Baumel

author of Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing, 1995,

1-800-858-7014, http://www.keats.com)







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Newbie would like advice on Depression

From: jdist@mindspring.com (John Distler)

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:41:43 GMT



Herbs for Health quote, November /december 1996" Fighting Depression

the herbal way", Steven Foster



AFter taking about a 1994, randomized, placebo-controll, double blind

study on St. John's wort..."The authors deemed ST. John's wort to be

safe and effective for mild to moderate forms of dpression.   However

they cautioned that it is not suitable for more serious condtions such

a manic depressive disorder."   



Which I think is bi-polor.    If I am not mistaken many who are

bi-polor wants to go off their medicine.    It is a very serious

condition and their medicine isn't the same as anti-depressants it is

somehow unpleasant.    I was manic once after making a major change in

my life (I was so happy and estatic for 24 hours.)   I can understand

people not wanting to take medicine that would take them away from a

chance at that feeling.     HOwever the lows are very very low, I

believe.    Correct me if I am wrong.     





ravel@cycor.ca (Syd Baumel) wrote:



>>I am sorry but I heard ST. John's wort was not to be used with a

>>Bi-polar depression.    This is a very serious form of depression.



>That's news to me, and not what I would expect.  Do you remember where you

>heard it?



>the other Syd



>Syd Baumel

>author of Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing, 1995,

>1-800-858-7014, http://www.keats.com)











==========

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Subject: Re: Newbie would like advice on Depression

From: ravel@cycor.ca (Syd Baumel)

Date: 21 Nov 96 17:58:19 -600



>Herbs for Health quote, November /december 1996" Fighting Depression

>the herbal way", Steven Foster



>AFter taking about a 1994, randomized, placebo-controll, double blind

>study on St. John's wort..."The authors deemed ST. John's wort to be

>safe and effective for mild to moderate forms of dpression.   However

>they cautioned that it is not suitable for more serious condtions such

>a manic depressive disorder."



>Which I think is bi-polor.    If I am not mistaken many who are

>bi-polor wants to go off their medicine.    It is a very serious

>condition and their medicine isn't the same as anti-depressants it is

>somehow unpleasant.    I was manic once after making a major change in

>my life (I was so happy and estatic for 24 hours.)   I can understand

>people not wanting to take medicine that would take them away from a

>chance at that feeling.     HOwever the lows are very very low, I

>believe.    Correct me if I am wrong.



John,



This is what I expected.  From what I know of the literature on St. John's

Wort and from what you write here, I gather that the researchers weren't

saying that St. John's Wort will hurt you if you have bipolar disorder, aka

manic/depression, but that it just hasn't been shown yet to be an adequately

effective antidepressant for severe cases of clinical depression, including

the depressive phase of bipolar disorder.  This doesn't mean it isn't good

enough for some severe cases, only that there is too little formal published

evidence to be able to tell.  I'm now looking at a major review of SJW as an

antidepressant that was published in the British Medical Journal in August.

Of the 23 well-controlled trials reviewed, at least two seem to have had a

preponderance of severely or relatively severely depressed patients.  In one

of these studies, none of the patients on placebo or SJW improved

significantly; in the other, the response rate was 10/20 vs 4/20 for placebo.

None of these studies involved bipolar patients.  The other issue that

research hasn't addressed is whether or not SJM would contribute to the

treatment of severe depression, unipoar or bipolar, when used as an adjunct

to other treatments.



One very important thing to note is that I don't believe any cases of mania or

hypomania have been reported among users of SJW.  This would give it a

distinct advantage over most other antidepressant treatments for bipolar

depression.



Syd



Syd Baumel

author of Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing, 1995,

1-800-858-7014, http://www.keats.com)







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Newbie would like advice on Depression

From: "Dr. Larry Semark" <semark@unm.edu>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:58:02 -0700



Dear Syd,



Are fava beans helpful in treating depression since they

contain dopamine?



Sincerely,





Larry





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Newbie would like advice on Depression

From: ravel@cycor.ca (Syd Baumel)

Date: 21 Nov 96 17:55:43 -600





>Dear Syd,



>Are fava beans helpful in treating depression since they

>contain dopamine?



Larry,



That's a tricky question.  To begin with, it's generally thought by

psychopharmacologists that dopamine has very little or nothing to do with

depression -- that norepinephrine and serotonin are where it's at, as far as

neurotransmitters and depression are concerned.  Mind you, this has always

struck me as odd, in light of the activating role that dopamine plays. And, in

fact, there are a small minority of creditable mainstream psychiatrists who

have published evidence that (as one might expect) low dopamine could at least

be a factor in _retarded_ depressions, judging by the positive response of

small samples of such patients to L-dopa and (I believe) dopamine "agonist"

(boosting) drugs.  Which brings us to the next issue: even if dopamine is an

antidepressant neurotransmitter, does supplementary dopamine from fava beans

(assuming there's enough in them to make a difference) make it into the brain

in sufficient quantities?  I don't have that info at hand, but I seem to

remember that dopamine doesn't.  But then I also seem to recall that fava

beans are rich in L-dopa, not dopamine.  If that's the case, you might be on

to a new treatment for at least some cases of depression.  Which makes me

wonder if fava beans have any such reputation in those parts of the world

(Greece?) where they have been consumed for ages.



Best,



Syd







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Newbie would like advice on Depression

From: Paul Dunn <pdunn@cadvision.com>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:49:25 -0700



Whether fava beans have L-Dopa or dopamine is of little consequence

since the biosynthesis of these chemicals are directly followed by each

other.  The acidic C02H is ripped off L-Dopa and replaced by a single H,

thus generating dopamine.  Then norepinephrine is directly metabolised

from dopamine.  That H being replaced by an OH.  This all takes place in

the neuronal soma. So whether dopamine is responsible for depression or

norepinephrine both will be provided for.





Paul

a suspected sufferer of bipolar disorder





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: So-called Lebanese Cress

From: richardw@mpx.com.au (Richard Wright)

Date: 9 Nov 1996 04:10:10 GMT



Can somebody help me (I'm not a botanist) identify an edible 

herb. I bought it at a nursery as "Lebanese Cress", with the 

genus name of Aethionema. This genus belongs to the 

Cruciferae, or cabbage family.



Now that it is flowering with white umbels I can see that 

the plant is a member of the Umbelliferae family, which 

includes parsley and carrot.



The plant has pinnate leaves up to 30cm long. It spreads by 

creeping runners and tastes pleasantly of a cross between 

parsnip and parsley.



I have read (with no description) of a Middle Eastern 

"cress" that belongs to the genus Sium. I wonder whether 

this is it.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chinese patent medicine

From: jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz)

Date: 9 Nov 1996 04:46:25 GMT



I was recently prescribed the chinese patent medicine called Xiao Yao wan 

for "relaxing".  I was wondering if anyone has any further information 

about the effects of this.  Thanks, Judy

Q





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chinese patent medicine

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 11 Nov 1996 11:59:09 GMT



This "Xiao Yao Wan" may come from the formula named "Xiao Yao San",  in

which "Wan" means round pill and "San" means powder.



Anyway, "Xiao Yao San" is composed of:-

Chai Wu - Chinese thorowax (root) <Radix Bupleuri>  - Qi  rise and diffuse,

not supplemental, cool in nature, mainly affecting gallbladder and liver.

Dang Gwei - Chinese angelica (root)  <Radix Angelicae Sinensis> - Blood

supplement the blood quality and activate the flow, warm in nature, whole

body and especially affecting liver.

Pak Chuek - root of herbaceous peony <Radix Peoniae Alba> Nourish yin (not

exactly blood, just the fluid), astringent, cool in nature, mainly affectly

liver and spleen.

Pak Shut - large-headed atractylodes (rhizome) <Rhizoma Atractylodis

Macrocephalae> Qi  astringent and supplemental, warm in nature, mainly

supplementing the stomach and spleen, help digestion, deprive (dry up) the

exessive dampness.

Foak Ling - tuckahoe <Poria>  Qi  astringent and supplemental, warm in

nature, mainly supplementing the stomach and spleen, minor to the hear,

eliminate wetness by diruesis.

Jac Gum Cho - licorice root (panfried with honey) <Radix Glycyrrhizae> Qi 

supplemental, warm in nature, stablizer, mainly stomach and spleen also

heart (frequently used to calm down the heart rate).



The main theme of this formula is to supplement the yin and blood without

overheating the liver (Dang Gwei + Pak Chuek), nourish the yin of the whole

body (Pak Chuek + Jac Gum Cho),  strenthen the qi of stomach and spleen

while eliminate the exessive wetness in the body (Pak Shut + Foak Ling),

Stabilise and relax the tense in the body (Jac Gum Cho), Cool down the heat

of the liver and diffuse the stagnated Qi of gallbladder and liver.



Should be applied to patients with a condition of weak stomach (poor

digestion), weak spleen (poor blood regulation, and weak limbs), blood and

yin deficient (dry and pale white, easy to cramp), stagnated gallbladder

(occassional pain in the stomach esp. near the right rib), tense, etc.



Hope it can help.

regards yklaw at jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com





Judith Schwartz <jschwart@thunder.temple.edu> wrote in article

<5612b1$2nr@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>...

> I was recently prescribed the chinese patent medicine called Xiao Yao wan



> for "relaxing".  I was wondering if anyone has any further information 

> about the effects of this.  Thanks, Judy

> Q

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chinese patent medicine

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard)

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:33:33 GMT



jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz) wrote:



>I was recently prescribed the chinese patent medicine called Xiao Yao wan 

>for "relaxing".  I was wondering if anyone has any further information 

>about the effects of this.  Thanks, Judy

>Q



Hi Judy,



Xiao Yao Wan breaks the stagnation of the Liver* Chi, tonifies the Spleen*, nourrish the

Blood*, harmonizes the Liver* and the Spleen*. In occidental terms it is used for chronic

hepatitis, anemia, gastritis, peptic ulcers, fibrous cyst of the breast, menorrhagia,

hypochondriac pain, cephalalgia, vertigo, fatigue, digestive problems (bloating, hiccup),

loss of appetite, irregular menses, dysmenorrhea, premenstrual syndrome, leukorrhea.

Utilisation is conditionnal to a stagnation of the Liver Chi with Blood deficiency, it is

difficult to explain in occidental terms. This is why you have to be diagnosed by

acupuncturists or chinese herbalists. Sometimes the translation from chinese to english on

the bottle about utilisation are not appropriate (except for the dosage and the

ingredients).



* This is about the function of meridians (Liver meridians, Spleen meridians) not only the

organs.



I hope this helps,



Richard







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: DHEA Safe for women and certain medical conditions?

From: zito@west.net (Charles Zito)

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 96 04:56:56 GMT



My wife and I would like to start taking DHEA.  She is 45 and is 

pre-menopause.  The warning label says DHEA is for people over 40 but should 

not be taken by women "capable of bearing children."  Is this a warning of 

possible risks to an unborn child or is it a risk to the women?  Any advice is 

appreciated.



Also, she has hyperthyroid, under treatment.  I have high blood pressure, 

under treatment and some liver problems in the past.  Any problems for either 

of us here?



Many thanks,



Charlie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: alt.folklore.herbs

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alpha Hydroxy Acid

From: Barbara Sianez <Pisces1@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 9 Nov 1996 09:47:02 GMT



I am in need of some facts on the subject of Alpha Hydroxy Acid for a 

paper I'm preparing. I can't seem to find much literature on it here in 

Sacramento, CA area.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks in 

advance.  



Send to pisces1@worldnet.att.net







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alpha Hydroxy Acid

From: david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com

Date: 10 Nov 1996 04:44:23 GMT



In <19961109184300.NAA19472@ladder01.news.aol.com>, healthways@aol.com writes:

>Are you looking for scientific references, or a description of their

>harmful actions?



Harmful actions?  Can you explain?





david







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alpha Hydroxy Acid

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 10 Nov 1996 05:52:01 -0700



david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com wrote:



>In <19961109184300.NAA19472@ladder01.news.aol.com>, healthways@aol.com writes:

>>Are you looking for scientific references, or a description of their

>>harmful actions?



>Harmful actions?  Can you explain?



David - 

  Weak solutions of the various Alpha Hydroxy Acids

can make a complexion look better ... strong solutions of same 

can cause chemical burns.

  

Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alpha Hydroxy Acid

From: david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com

Date: 11 Nov 1996 05:08:58 GMT



>  Weak solutions of the various Alpha Hydroxy Acids

>can make a complexion look better ... strong solutions of same 

>can cause chemical burns.



Ah, ok.  That makes sense.  I have been working with alpha hydroxy and 

found it to be rather nice, but in weaker solutions as you indicate. . .



david







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: White pond lily

From: Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net>

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 10:02:07 -0600



I have a question about white pond lily.  The only reference I can find

to it (in the books I have) is in BACK TO EDEN, and it did not seem to

list the reason that I am taking the herb for.



It was highly recommended to me to dissolve cysts and help

endometriosis.  Is this possible?  I want to verify, or find out what

others have used it for.  I am currently taking it along with chaste

tree, dandelion, crampbark & false unicorn to hopefully get normal

cycles.  I have been diagnosed with polycystic ovaries and infertility.



I would be very interested to have people comment on this or offer other

suggestions.  Thank you kindly,



Karen

mailto:jbrim@prysm.net









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: White pond lily

From: gypsyjayne@enterprise.net (Gypsy Jayne)

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:09:40 GMT



Mrs Grieve states that white pond lily (Nymphaea odorata) is for

'external' use only.  There is a record of a decoction being vaginally

injected and achieving a complete cure for uterine cancer, according

to this source.









On Sat, 09 Nov 1996 10:02:07 -0600, Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net>

seemed to type:



~I have a question about white pond lily.  The only reference I can find

~to it (in the books I have) is in BACK TO EDEN, and it did not seem to

~list the reason that I am taking the herb for.

~

~It was highly recommended to me to dissolve cysts and help

~endometriosis.  Is this possible?  I want to verify, or find out what

~others have used it for.  I am currently taking it along with chaste

~tree, dandelion, crampbark & false unicorn to hopefully get normal

~cycles.  I have been diagnosed with polycystic ovaries and infertility.

~

~I would be very interested to have people comment on this or offer other

~suggestions.  Thank you kindly,

~

~Karen

~mailto:jbrim@prysm.net

~

~



Gypsy Jayne

England

http://homepages.enterprise.net/gypsyjayne

. . . at least the wheels go round . . .





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Gypsy Jayne <gypsyjayne@enterprise.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: White pond lily

From: "James A.L.Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.," <Dr.Health@iname.com>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:36:12 -0500



Gypsy Jayne wrote:

> 

> Mrs Grieve states that white pond lily (Nymphaea odorata) is for

> 'external' use only.  There is a record of a decoction being vaginally

> injected and achieving a complete cure for uterine cancer, according

> to this source.

> 

> On Sat, 09 Nov 1996 10:02:07 -0600, Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net>

> seemed to type:

> 

> ~I have a question about white pond lily.  The only reference I can find

> ~to it (in the books I have) is in BACK TO EDEN, and it did not seem to

> ~list the reason that I am taking the herb for.

> ~

> ~It was highly recommended to me to dissolve cysts and help

> ~endometriosis.  Is this possible?  I want to verify, or find out what

> ~others have used it for.  I am currently taking it along with chaste

> ~tree, dandelion, crampbark & false unicorn to hopefully get normal

> ~cycles.  I have been diagnosed with polycystic ovaries and infertility.

> ~

> ~I would be very interested to have people comment on this or offer other

> ~suggestions.  Thank you kindly,

> ~

> ~Karen

> ~mailto:jbrim@prysm.net

> ~

> ~

> 

> Gypsy Jayne

> England

> http://homepages.enterprise.net/gypsyjayne

> . . . at least the wheels go round . . .



GOOD try



The Nymphaea Tuberosa is the poisonous plant. The Nymphaea Odorata is 

the safe one however you should be under the care of Doctor when using

this herb.  It can be toxic.



James A.L. Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.,





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: White pond lily

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard)

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:33:46 GMT



Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net> wrote:



>I have a question about white pond lily.  The only reference I can find

>to it (in the books I have) is in BACK TO EDEN, and it did not seem to

>list the reason that I am taking the herb for.



>It was highly recommended to me to dissolve cysts and help

>endometriosis.  Is this possible?  I want to verify, or find out what

>others have used it for.  I am currently taking it along with chaste

>tree, dandelion, crampbark & false unicorn to hopefully get normal

>cycles.  I have been diagnosed with polycystic ovaries and infertility.



>I would be very interested to have people comment on this or offer other

>suggestions.  Thank you kindly,



>Karen

>mailto:jbrim@prysm.net



Hi Karen,



Here is a quote from the excellent book Planetary Herbology (Michael Tierra):

<<Properties: astringent, demulcent, alterative, anodyne. Uses: it treats dysentry,

diarrhea, gonorrhea, leucorrhea and scrofula.  Part used: rhizome. Combined with wild

cherry bark it is effective for bronchial affections. Externally the leaves and roots are

used as a poultice for boils, tumors, ulcers and inflamed skin. The infusion is an

effective gargle for mouth sores, ulcers and sore throat. This herb has been known to be

effective for uterine cancer for which it is taken freely internaly and injected as a

douche.



I hope this helps,



Richard







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs for cramping

From: david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com

Date: 9 Nov 1996 18:21:23 GMT



ANyone suggest methods for muscle cramps?  My wife (liver transplant recipient 4

years ago), is having more and more cramps in her legs at night.  Am starting to research

this annd any suggests would be most appreciated.



tx in advance, david







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for cramping

From: kestevens2@aol.com

Date: 10 Nov 1996 15:09:12 GMT



In article <562i33$op2@news-2.csn.net>, david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com

writes:



>ANyone suggest methods for muscle cramps?  My wife (liver transplant

>recipient 4

>years ago), is having more and more cramps in her legs at night.  Am

starting

>to research

>this annd any suggests would be most appreciated.



I had the same problem when I was pregnant. Sometimes leg cramping is due

to a lack of potassium. Bananas and raisins are good sources of potassium.

I ate at least one banana a day when I was pregnant the second time and

only once had leg cramps.



 /\ _ /\

( * ^ * )          KAT

(__|__)~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for cramping

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:47:54 +0000



In article <562i33$op2@news-2.csn.net>, david@oldcolo.com writes

>ANyone suggest methods for muscle cramps?  My wife (liver transplant recipient 

>4

>years ago), is having more and more cramps in her legs at night.  Am starting 

>to 

>research

>this annd any suggests would be most appreciated.

>

>tx in advance, david

>



A very tiny amount about half a tsp of Valerian root tea, taken once or

twice a week should do the trick, dont take it regulaly valerian can be

addictive, and with a liver transplant be especially carefull .

Some old folk tales say put a piece of cork into the bottom of the bed.

I myself find if I do not eat enough salt I get cramps, and If I eat to

much salt I get cramps, it might be worth while adjusting salt levels,

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for cramping

From: david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com

Date: 14 Nov 1996 05:51:34 GMT



>

>A very tiny amount about half a tsp of Valerian root tea, taken once or

>twice a week should do the trick, dont take it regulaly valerian can be

>addictive, and with a liver transplant be especially carefull .

>Some old folk tales say put a piece of cork into the bottom of the bed.

>I myself find if I do not eat enough salt I get cramps, and If I eat to

>much salt I get cramps, it might be worth while adjusting salt levels,



Ok, I will take note.  I know we must be very careful with valarian.  But 

thank you for your response to my query. . .



david







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for cramping

From: gates <gates@gates.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:31:31 +0000



In article <56ec16$4nn@news-2.csn.net>, david@oldcolo.com writes

>>

>>A very tiny amount about half a tsp of Valerian root tea, taken once or

>>twice a week should do the trick, dont take it regulaly valerian can be

>>addictive, and with a liver transplant be especially carefull .

>>Some old folk tales say put a piece of cork into the bottom of the bed.

>>I myself find if I do not eat enough salt I get cramps, and If I eat to

>>much salt I get cramps, it might be worth while adjusting salt levels,

>

>Ok, I will take note.  I know we must be very careful with valarian.  But 

>thank you for your response to my query. . .

>

>david

>

hi, commercial remedy for night cramp is largely asprin which can lead

to tummy bleeding but can be replaced with willow pills from the health

shop.  However I stopped tablets by propping up bed with stuffed

matchboxes.  Just that almost-an-inch did the trick making the heart

beat a tad faster.  For older folk it may not be good to make the heart

beat faster at night, or if pregnant, but see what the doctor's nurse

says about your specific history by phone.  No need to attend in first

instance.  There is an AWFUL lot of evidence to recommend BEDSOCKS.  Use

any light ankle sock but cut the elastic to prevent marks even if you

get the normally by day.  The usual freedom at night is useful.  Really

we men should wear long socks but we don't.  Keep rooms cool and airy,

beds warm but not hot, animals not on the feet, bedclothes loose at the

foot of the bed.  This sounds facile but think about it.  Discontinue

all such remedies after several days without cramp for a few days to

many until symptoms reappear.  Don't sleep head down permanently or ever

to any significant degree. 



P.S   If the person gets cramp at night it can help taking enough epsom

salts *once* a week to cover a coin, say a dime, on a spoon of coffee.

Also have no caffeine at least one day a week and none the few hours

before you sleep, same all dairy products too though a small beer like a

stout will be alright.  Get dandelion & burdock pop/soda to have a glass

a day or dandelion pills or 2 leaves a day in a sandwich a few days a

week.  This may delay your being prescribed water tablets as may having

a herb laden meal every day you don't take dandelion.  Just that wee

diuretic action purges some toxins and acids that would otherwise build.





This is all in my humble opinion and no liability is accepted for any

result to anyone howsoever caused good or bad                 Regards

-- 

Les Ballard         Les@gates.demon.co.uk





c/o BM: Gates of Annwn

London WC1N 3XX   U.K.       44+(0)1708 670431



No copyright statement is attached as the author is litigious.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: gates@gates.demon.co.uk

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for cramping

From: Altherapy Distributors International LLC <altherapydist@internetMCI.com>

Date: 19 Nov 1996 23:00:42 GMT



Re: Herbs for cramping.



Red raspberry is good for relieving menstrual cramps and decreasing 

bleeding. It also helps strengthen the uterine walls and relaxes spasms.



Chamomile helps relieve muscle cramps and pain and is a good nerve tonic.



Dong Quai helps with PMS symptoms including pain, vaginal dryness and 

bloating.



For more recommendations for herbs, supplements, aromatherapy, etc. for 

this problem and other problematic conditions, go to our web page at 

http://www.choicemall.com/adi



Scroll down from the home page to What Ails You and click on PMS. It will 

take you to the appropriate page.



Hope you feel better.    



Sydney







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for cramping

From: rose-bob@wizard.net (Rose Harrison)

Date: 23 Nov 1996 01:47:22 GMT



MINT tea, candy, extract, etc.



Mint was one of the few things that got me through 20 years of endometriosis 

pain.  It eases abdominal/stomach problems.





Rose Harrison

rose-bob@wizard.net





In article <56te6q$c97@news.internetmci.com>, altherapydist@internetMCI.com 

says...

 >

 >Re: Herbs for cramping.

 >

 >Red raspberry is good for relieving menstrual cramps and decreasing 

 >bleeding. It also helps strengthen the uterine walls and relaxes spasms.

 >

 >Chamomile helps relieve muscle cramps and pain and is a good nerve tonic.

 >

 >Dong Quai helps with PMS symptoms including pain, vaginal dryness and 

 >bloating.

 >

 >For more recommendations for herbs, supplements, aromatherapy, etc. for 

 >this problem and other problematic conditions, go to our web page at 

 >http://www.choicemall.com/adi

 >

 >Scroll down from the home page to What Ails You and click on PMS. It will 

 >take you to the appropriate page.

 >

 >Hope you feel better.    

 >

 >Sydney

 > 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for cramping

From: Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:56:30 -0800



Altherapy Distributors International LLC wrote:

> 

> Re: Herbs for cramping.



I've also found that Cramp Bark is a good one for cramps.  My boyfriend

made me a good tea for PMS, but i can't remember what's in it other than

Chamomile, Cramps Bark, i think Damiana and some other things.  It works

pretty good and if i drink a cup of it every couple hours, i usually

don't need to take pills.  Hope this helps



Brightest Blessings

Sunbeam the SunGoddess

http://www.osb.net/users/sunbeam/default.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From: codyrica@cphl.mindspring.com (John Cody Rocap)

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 1996 19:46:12 GMT



	

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The group has already had success in the growing and marketing of

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These projects are not for everyone. They require that people involved

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I hope to hear from all those folks who have a true interest.



John Cody Rocap







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.support.headaches.migraine,alt.my.head.hurts,misc.health.alternative,alt.support.chronic-pain,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.food-allergies,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.psychobiology,sci.psychology.psychotherapy,alt.answers,misc.answers,sci.answers,news.answers

Subject: Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ

From: an588@freenet.carleton.ca (Catherine Woodgold)

Date: 9 Nov 1996 22:04:35 GMT



Archive-name: medicine/migraine/natural-cures

Posting-Frequency: Every 27 days

Last-modified: 1996/09/06

Version: 1.0





Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ





 (1) Introduction

 (2) For Immediate Relief 

 (3) Definition of Migraines

 (4) Chiropractic treatment

 (5) Biofeedback

     (5.1) Theory of biofeedback

     (5.2) Handwarming biofeedback

     (5.3) Other biofeedback

 (6) Nutritional Treatments

     (6.1) Food Sensitivity

     (6.2) Blood Sugar

     (6.3) Not Overusing Salt

     (6.4) Nutritional Supplements

     (6.5) Herbs

 (7) Psychology

 (8) Sex hormones

 (9) Books of interest

 (10) About the author of this FAQ

 (11) Disclaimer





(1) Introduction



This Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ attempts to summarize all

non-medical treatments that help prevent or cure migraine

headaches.  Most treatments mentioned here have worked for many

people, and usually have a theoretical basis as well.  Please

send me additional information you think should be included here,

to help make this FAQ complete, accurate and useful, within its

narrow focus.  Information about acupuncture would be a welcome

addition.  More information about herbs would be good.  Please

don't send me information about drugs; they are beyond the scope

of this FAQ. 



There is another FAQ, maintained by someone else, associated

with the newsgroup alt.support.headaches.migraine.  You may want

to read it, too. 

 

Natural treatments are usually harmless (as opposed to drugs,

which usually have side effects).  Therefore, depending on cost

and convenience, it can make sense to continue a natural

treatment even if you're not sure whether it's doing any good. 

It often makes sense to apply several natural treatments at the

same time.  If one treatment reduces the number of headaches or

the amount of pain, then several treatments used at once may

completely or almost completely eliminate them. 

 

Different things work for different people.  Some of the

treatments mentioned here may actually increase headache pain for

some people.  Some may have no effect on some people.  You may

decide to try several things and choose the ones that help you. 

 

Note the disclaimer at the end of the FAQ. 

 

 

 

(2) For Immediate Relief

 

 

Most of the treatments in this FAQ are used to prevent migraines

from happening.  This section describes things you can do when

you're in pain, to reduce the pain. 

 

 -- Have a bath or shower.

 -- Lie down to rest in a dark room.

 -- Avoid bright or flashing light.

 -- Put something cold on the back of your neck, such as

     a cold, wet cloth. 

 -- Have a drink of water or natural juice.

 -- Eat a bananna or drink tomatoe juice;  they contain something

     that can help.   (serotonin?? potassium?? Somebody please

	 supply this information.)

 -- Have some food, or a nutritious drink, if you

     haven't eaten for a while. 

 -- Massage your own face, head, neck and shoulders, or get someone

     else to do those and your back.  Relax your muscles. 

 -- Press on two pressure points at the back of the neck.  These

     points are about two inches apart, just below the base of

     the skull.  Press for a minute or two.  This releases

     endorphins that help against pain. 

 -- Avoid sources of stress.  Cancel activities so there's less

     to worry about. 

 -- Avoid exercise during a headache if it makes throbbing pain

     in the head and neck worse.  On

     the other hand, generally exercise improves health, and

     it may help you relax during a headache. 

 -- Take some niacin (a form of vitamin B3).  Taking enough 

     niacin to cause a flush (blood rushing to the skin) can

     provide relief from headache pain, but this much niacin

     can also have side effects (flush, nausea, heartburn,

     liver damage, etc.) Niacinamide doesn't have such bad

     side effects, but isn't as much use against migraines, either. 

     Smaller, safer amounts of niacin are also helpful. 

 -- Take some vitamin C, vitamin B6, choline, tryptophan and niacin.

 

(3) Definition of Migraines

 

The word "migraine" comes from words meaning "half the head",

and sounds like "demi-cranium", because migraine headaches often

hurt on only the left or right side of the head.  However, many

people with migraines always have pain on the whole head. 

 

A migraine headache is caused by hormonal fluctuations which

cause blood vessels in the head and neck to contract and then

dilate.  The first phase, or contraction phase, may last minutes,

hours, or days.  During this phase, symptoms can be spots in

front of the eyes, difficulty concentrating, and cold fingertips

and hands.  This is called an "aura".  Many people recognize this

phase of their headaches; many others don't notice any symptoms

at this time.  Some people who think they don't have an "aura"

can learn to recognize it. 

 

When the blood vessels dilate, the headache pain starts. 

Apparently the hormones over-react.  Instead of just going from a

contracted state back to normal, the blood vessels dilate much

wider than normal, causing pain.  Other things also happen about

the same time: swelling of the brain, release of certain

chemicals, and perhaps muscle tension.  These things add to the

pain. 

 

There are a number of different processes that can cause the

interplay of hormones leading to contracted and then over-dilated

blood vessels.  It's not always the same hormones that are

involved.  Some of the natural treatments listed here focus on a

single process.  Different things work for different people. 

Some people may need to use several treatments at the same time. 

Some people who think they have "tension headaches" are actually

helped by migraine treatments.  Many headaches are probably a

combination of muscle tension and migraine. 

 

(4) Chiropractic treatment

 

Sometimes the bones in the neck are in the wrong place, and the

little muscles near the bones are tense.  This is called

"subluxation".  It's like having a crick in your neck.  The

nerves that lead out from the spine can be irritated when there

is a subluxation.  This can cause migraines.  The bones are very

close to being in the right place, so a medical doctor might say

they are in the right place.  A chiropractor treats people by

gently pushing the bones back into place. 

 

Stress on any part of the spine, as from lifting heavy objects

or sitting in a twisted position, can cause subluxations in the

neck, leading to migraine. 

 

Some relief from migraine can be obtained by doing slow, gentle

stretching exercises of the neck.  (Rolling motions or sudden

motions are not recommended.) Avoid sitting for a long time with

the head leaning forward, straining the neck.  Avoid lying on

your back with your head raised on a pillow.  Lying on your back

is OK with no pillow, or with a pillow that supports the neck but

doesn't raise the head much.  When lying on your side, a pillow

should support the head and neck.  When sitting, for example at

the computer, change position frequently and check for things

like tension in the shoulders from supporting the arms. 

 

Chiropractors usually ask their patients to be x-rayed on the

first visit.  If you want to avoid the damage of x-rays, you can

ask your chiropractor to treat you without doing an x-ray.  They

can do this; they do it for pregnant women all the time. 

Chiropractors usually do other simple tests at each visit to

assess exactly what the person needs at that time. 

 

(5) Biofeedback

 

(5.1) Theory of biofeedback

 

With biofeedback, a person learns to control a body function

which was not under direct conscious control, but was indirectly

under conscious control. 

 

Here is an example to explain what is meant by a body function

under indirect conscious control.  Generally speaking, a person

can't decide to do the following: "I'll flip a coin, and if it

comes up heads, I'll immediately make my heart beat faster, even

though I'll still be sitting down." However, a person can decide,

"If the coin comes up heads, then I'll put up my hand to ask a

question in front of this roomful of people, which I'm nervous

about doing." As soon as the person sees the coin come up heads,

their heart starts to pound because of their nervousness.  Yet

all that happened was that they made a decision and then flipped

a coin.  Thus, their conscious thoughts affected the heartrate. 

In this way, heartrate is indirectly under conscious control. 

 

Body functions such as muscle tension, finger temperature, and

levels of some hormones in the blood (such as adrenalin in the

above example) are under indirect conscious control.  Some of

these functions are involved in headaches. 

 

Biofeedback means making information about one's body available

to the conscious mind.  Devices which measure muscle tension,

finger temperature etc.  and which supply that information to the

person are biofeedback devices. 

 

Gradually, a person learns the semi-conscious thought patterns

that make the device show the desired result, such as warm

fingers.  It's like learning to ride a bicycle.  Once the skill

has been learned, the person can use it at any time, without

needing the biofeedback device.  For example, a person who has

gone through many learning sessions with a thermometer and has

learned to warm their fingers can then warm their fingers after

that without using a thermometer. 

 

(5.2) Handwarming biofeedback

 

Phase I of a migraine is similar to what the body does in

response to fear, though the reaction may have been caused by a

food the person ate rather than by actual fear.  In phase I,

blood is reallocated out of the hands and head and into the large

muscles that would be used for running from danger.  The hands,

especially the fingertips, become cold when the blood is

withdrawn.  The feeling of confusion, or inability to think

clearly, that can accompany phase I is similar to fainting from

fear. 

 

The pain occurs in phase II, when the blood vessels of the head

and neck over-react and re-expand to larger than the normal size. 

The headache can be prevented by reducing the severity of phase

I, thus preventing phase II. 

 

The level of the hormones in the blood that contract the blood

vessels, such as serotonin and adrenalin, can be brought under

semi-conscious control.  By thinking relaxed thoughts, the

hormone level can be lowered.  The serotonin level is monitored

by checking the temperature of the fingertips and hands.  During

phase I, first the fingertips and then the hands become cold. 

The finger temperature can be checked either with a thermometer,

or by touching the fingertips to your cheeks.  If they feel warm

or hot, that's good.  They should at body temperature.  If

they're cool or cold, it could be either from being in a cold

room, from poor blood circulation due to diabetes or some other

condition, or from a phase I reaction. 

 

After many attempts of trying to think relaxed thoughts and

checking the finger temperature, a person gradually learns how to

get into the right frame of mind to affect the serotonin levels. 

Eventually, a person can decide to warm up the fingers, meditate

for a while, and the fingers become warm.  Under a lot of stress,

for example if you're about to speak in front of an audience, it

may be impossible to warm the fingers at that time, though

attempting it may reduce the severity of a migraine later.  For

learning, it's best to use a low-stress situation such as sitting

at home. 

 

It normally requires trying several times a day for several

weeks before much progress is made.  It helps to keep records of

the finger temperature before and after attempting biofeedback. 

 

A person who has learned biofeedback can become aware of their

finger temperature so that they notice when their hands suddenly

become cold.  They can then take a break from stressful

activities, relax until their hands warm up, and prevent a

headache from happening.  The feeling of confusion and stress

that usually accompanies phase I can mean that you tend not to

notice things like finger temperature at that time -- you're too

busy thinking about whatever is causing the stress -- but

eventually you can learn to notice it. 

 

See Kohlenberg's book [5], which comes with a thermometer, for

more information. 

 

(5.3) Other Biofeedback

 

Biofeedback devices can be used to monitor the tenseness of

muscles in the forehead, the amount of sweat on the fingers, and

other things.  The person spends time learning to make the

muscles relaxed, the fingers dry, etc.  These forms of

biofeedback can help with headaches.  A migraine usually involves

some muscle tension in the head which adds to the pain. 

 

(6) Nutritional Treatments

 (6.1) Food Sensitivity

 

Many books agree that chocolate is the most likely food to

cause migraines.  Other foods which can cause migraines include

avocadoes, pineapples, beans, peas, lentils, MSG, pork, shrimp,

pickled herring, alcohol, caffeine, cheese, and coconut. 

 

The caffeine in chocolate is not the main reason chocolate

causes migraines.  There's a group of substances called amines,

common in food, which are the main food trigger of migraines. 

There are different amines in different foods.  The one in

chocolate is the worst.  The one in cheese is called tyramine and

is next worst.  Hanington's book [3] describes an experiment in

which it was shown that tyramine can cause migraines.  Migraine

people have less monoamine oxidase (MAO), the enzyme in platelets

that breaks down amines. 

 

The amount of tyramine in cheese varies tremendously by type and

even batch of cheese.  Milk is OK, since the tyramine is produced

in the cheesemaking process by microorganisms.  Other amines are

found in other types of food.  The reaction to amines is not an

allergy.  The amines cause certain hormones to be released in the

body.  Different amines may cause migraines in different people. 

 

Each person needs to experiment to figure out which foods give

them migraines.  This is not always easy to do.  A food might not

cause a migraine every time it is eaten; perhaps only when

another cause of migraines happens at the same time. 

 

It's better to go on a very restricted diet for a while, a week

or a month, say, than to experiment by eliminating just one

suspicious food at a time.  To illustrate this, suppose you have

a list of 20 suspicious foods, and that by eliminating 5 of them

you can cut your headaches in half, from 10 a month down to 5 ... 

but you don't know that, and you don't know which 5 foods are the

bad ones.  If you spend 20 months, eating everything except one

food each month, you will learn nothing.  You will still have

about 10 headaches a month.  Some months you'll have about 9

instead of 10, but that's not enough to notice a difference: you

probably vary from 8 to 12 headaches a month anyway.  However, if

you stop eating all 20 foods for a month, you'll notice something

interesting: you'll have only 5 headaches instead of 10.  You can

then gradually re-introduce the suspicious foods.  Now that you

have fewer headaches, you'll notice it if you have a headache a

few hours after eating a suspicious food.  Make sure your

restricted diet contains all the vitamins and other essential

nutrients. 

 

If you combine advice from several books, there will be nothing

left to eat! I recommend the restricted diet suggested by

Brainard [1] as a starting point for experimentation.  When I

followed this diet, my migraines diminished significantly, and

over the following weeks, months, and years I gradually tested

and re-introduced to my diet most of the disallowed foods.  Some

I went on and off several times to test for subtle effects. 

 

(6.2) Blood Sugar

 

Recent studies [Low, 6] show that when a migraine person eats

refined sugar, their blood sugar level goes up very high, then

quickly comes down again.  Any kind of refined sugar causes this

effect: sucrose, glucose, etc.  The blood sugar level goes up and

down so fast that a standard glucose tolerance test with blood

samples taken less often than every 15 minutes can completely

miss the effect.  Many migraine people have been told they're

very normal after a glucose tolerance test, but in fact they have

a condition similar to hypoglycemia. 

 

Natural sugars, such as fruit, completely unprocessed sugar cane

juice, etc.  do not cause this effect.  Eating natural sugar

causes the blood sugar level to go up, but not very high, and it

doesn't come down so fast.  There's something in natural sugar

that helps the body absorb it.  Glucose Tolerance Factor (GTF), a

molecule containing chromium, may be responsible.  Chromium is

usually present with natural sugars, and is missing in refined

sugar.  It works with insulin to help the body process sugar. 

Chromium must be in a bioavailable form such as GTF or chromium

picolinate.  However, there may be other factors present in

natural sugars, such as vitamins, enzymes, etc., that are also

important. 

 

When refined sugar is eaten, the pancreas releases a lot of

insulin.  For some reason, people who get migraines release more

than the normal amount of insulin.  Insulin stimulates the

release of adrenalin.  This starts phase I of a migraine. 

 

Going without eating for 3 to 4 or more hours causes low blood

sugar levels which can also trigger a migraine. 

 

In his book [6] Rodolfo Low recommends the following for all

migraine people.  He claims that every person who has followed

these recommendations, including himself, has completely

eliminated migraines:

 

 -- Do not eat any refined sugar.  Not even small amounts.  Fruit

   should be fresh, not dried or cooked.  Eat a wholesome balanced

   diet of natural foods including fruit.

 -- Eat every three hours.  Have six small meals a day instead of

   three.  Have snacks of healthy foods at midmorning, midafter-

   noon, and bedtime.

 -- Avoid drinking alcohol.

 -- Avoid drugs that stimulate the pancreas.  Many drugs taken for 

   other purposes also stimulate the pancreas, e.g. aspirin.  See 

   the book [6] for a list of drugs to avoid.

 

[Above recommendations paraphrased by C.W.]

 

Many people are deficient in chromium.  Eating refined sugars

leads to chromium deficiency.  A supplement of GTF chromium or

chromium picolinate is helpful to hypoglycemic people and can

allow them to maintain good blood sugar levels when going several

hours without eating.  Low has shown that migraines are closely

related to hypoglycemia, so perhaps chromium supplements would

help migraine people too.  I used to get a headache if I went 4

or 5 hours without eating; with a chromium supplement (200

mcg/day, not a megadose) this is no longer the case. 

 

(6.3) Salt

 

A normal person who eats a very large amount of salt will get a

headache.  Brainard [1] claims that for people who get migraines,

a small amount of salt can have the same effect.  He describes

the hormonal processes that occur when salt is eaten. 

 

Everyone needs some salt (sodium chloride) in order to live. 

Natural foods generally contain some salt.  Processed foods often

have too much added salt. 

 

Brainard recommends:

 

 -- Moderate amounts of salt with meals are OK.

 -- No large amounts of salt with meals.

 -- No salt at all between meals;  not even a salted cracker or a

   cookie cooked with the usual large amount of salt.

 -- Avoid soups;  these often contain large amounts of added salt.

 

[Above recommendations paraphrased by C.W.]



During a migraine, a person makes more urine than usual.  One

has to drink more in order to make up for the missing water and

avoid getting dehydrated.  Drink if you're thirsty. 

 

(6.4) Nutritional Supplements

 

There are many vitamins and other essential nutrients which can

have an effect on the complex hormonal processes that cause

migraines. 

 

The following supplements, taken regularly, can help:

 

 -- vitamin C

 -- vitamin B6

 -- niacin (see side effect warning under section 2)

 -- choline 

 -- tryptophan

 -- omega-3 essential fatty acids, e.g. unrefined, cold-pressed,

    uncooked flax seed oil

 -- chromium?  (See section 6.2.)

 -- magnesium;  as much magnesium as you take calcium

    (magnesium deficiency can also cause a craving for chocolate.)

 

(6.5) Herbs

 

Feverfew helps many migraine sufferers.  It's claimed by some to

be best to eat fresh leaves, one small leaf per day.  It should 

be taken regularly.  I think it has some side effects, including 

possibly a sore mouth; I'm not sure. 

 

Reishi is also said to help against migraines. 



[Please send me information to expand this section.]

 

 

(7) Psychology

 

People often think thoughts that are just a little frightening. 

When normal people think these thoughts, nothing much happens. 

But migraine people have over-reactive hormone systems, and

adrenalin and other hormones are released along with just

slightly scary thoughts.  A migraine person may not feel scared

at all, may claim to be relaxed, but at the same time may be

showing the physical symptoms of fear.  These symptoms may be

partly resulting from various chemical processes such as the

foods the person ate.  However, they are also the result of

thoughts. 

 

The scary thoughts that bring on phase I of a migraine are

usually semi-conscious ...  just outside the range of conscious

thinking.  For instance, a migraine person may look at a report

they're writing at work and consciously think, "I don't think

this is good enough." But at the same time, in a semi-conscious

way, the following thoughts flit rapidly through the mind: "And

my boss may not like it.  And I could lose my job.  And I might

not be able to get another job.  And I wouldn't be able to buy

food.  So I would starve." These thoughts go by so fast it's hard

to pin them down.  But they're real, and are accompanied by cold

fingers and other symptoms of phase I of a migraine.  The person

might not notice the symptoms.  Later, when they have a headache,

they might not realize they had been under stress.  "I was just

quietly working in my office, writing a report."

 

It helps to write down such thoughts.  Kohlenberg [5] recommends

writing the thoughts down in the form of a proof that either

there's a threat to one's life or health, or that a law of nature

has been broken, i.e.  that something "should" be happening and

isn't.  Writing the thoughts out slows them down so that they

come under conscious scrutiny and control.  Then, on another part

of the page, write down arguments against each point.  "My boss

usually likes my reports.  I'm very unlikely to lose my job.  If

I do lose it, I'll probably find another one.  Even if I don't,

I'll go on welfare and won't starve."

 

It helps to avoid thoughts with words like "should" and "ought"

in them.  Instead of thinking, "I should wash the dishes now,"

think "I want to wash the dishes now." One good way to eliminate

a "should" thought is to start doing the thing.  If you don't

want to, there's probably a good reason not to.  Then, instead of

thinking, "I should ...", think, "I decided not to...  because

...".  Accept that every decision has both good and bad results. 

 

It's useful to combine this technique with biofeedback.  See

Kohlenberg's book for both. 

 

(8) Sex hormones

 

Apparently sex hormones are among the hormones that can be

involved in migraines.  For both men and women, it's common for

migraines to begin around puberty.  [6].  Women often notice

headaches corresponding to certain times of the menstrual cycle. 

Menopause can mean fewer or no headaches for some lucky women

(or the onset of migraines for others).  Nutritional treatments 

can help reduce symptoms of pre-menstrual syndrome (PMS), including 

headaches.  ([7],[8]).

 

It's normal during breastfeeding for a woman to have no

menstrual periods for a time which can be 3 months, 2 years or

more, averaging about 14 months. [4]  For some, this is a welcome

rest from a range of symptoms which can include PMS and

headaches.  Unfortunately, breastfeeding is often disrupted,

resulting in increased health risks to both mother and baby. 

This includes the inconvenience of early return of menstrual

cycles, along with the familiar accompanying symptoms.  The

return of menstruation is an individual thing;  a slight

reduction of nursing may bring it on in one woman, while another

may be nursing only a few (e.g. 4) times a day and still not 

menstruate.  Early return of menstruation can be caused by:

 

(Things to avoid, if you don't want to start menstruating soon:)

 -- early weaning

 -- use of bottles or pacifiers

 -- mother-baby separations, e.g. use of babysitters

 -- other foods given to baby before about 6 months of age

 -- encouraging baby to "sleep through the night"

 -- limiting breastfeeding, based on clocks and calendars

 

Speculation: It is known that pollutants such as pesticides,

PCB's and biproducts of chlorine bleaching can act as hormone

mimics, disrupting the development of animals and humans. 

Chemicals which mimic estrogen have been most extensively

studied, but pollutants mimic other hormones as well.  [2]

Hormones are involved in migraines.  Are migraines more common

these days than they used to be? Could migraines sometimes be

partly caused by hormone-disrupting pollutants?

 

(9) Books of interest

 

[1] Brainard, John B., 1979.  Control of Migraine.  W.W.  Norton

& Co., New York -- London. 

 

[2] Colborn, Theo, Dianne Dumanoski, and John Peterson Myers,

1996.  Our Stolen Future.  Penguin Books, New York, NY. 

 

[3] Hanington, Edda, MD MRCP, 1980.  The Headache Book. 

Technomic, Westport CT. 

 

[4] Kippley, Sheila.  Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing. 

 

[5] Kohlenberg, R.J.  Migraine Relief: A Personal Treatment

Program

 

[6] Low, Rodolfo, 1987.  Migraine: The Breakthrough Study That

Explains What Causes It and How it Can Be Completely Prevented

Through Diet.  Henry Holt & Co.  Inc.  New York NY. 

 

[7] Nazzarro, Dr.  Ann, and Dr.  Donald Lombard, with Dr.  David

Horrobin, 1985.  The PMS Solution: Premenstrual Syndrome: The

Nutritional Approach.  Eden Press, Montreal -- London. 



[8] Shannon, M.  Fertility, Cycles and Nutrition.

 

(10) About the author of this FAQ

 

I've had migraines since about age 16.  For long periods I had

mild headaches every day and often worse ones.  Using some of the

natural treatments listed here, I've mostly eliminated them. 

 

I'm interested in many things.  Professionally, I'm a

seismologist.  I also like reading about nutrition,

breastfeeding, non-violence, barter, evolution, mathematics,

auto-free living, midwifery, effective communication of emotions,

alternative medicine, and natural family planning.  See a web

page on natural family planning, co-authored by me, at

http://www.usc.edu/hsc/info/newman/resources/primer.html. 

 

Please send me any comments and suggested additions at

an588@freenet.carleton.ca. 

 

Cathy Woodgold

 

 

(11) Disclaimer

 

This information about natural migraine treatments, collected

from various sources, is provided for your convenience.  Though

effort has been made to make it accurate, it may contain errors,

omissions or inaccuracies.  It is hoped that readers will supply

information to help improve the FAQ.  It is not to be considered

to be medical advice.  Different things work for different

people.  Some of the suggestions here may actually increase

headache pain for some people, or cause other problems.  If you

decide to use any of the treatments mentioned here, you are

responsible for that decision and for any effects that occur. 

You may collect information from other sources, if you wish,

before beginning to use the treatments mentioned here.  Some

headaches are caused by other serious problems requiring other

treatment; this FAQ only discusses migraines.  If the author

knows of serious safety problems, they will probably be mentioned

here, but absence of specific warnings does not constitute a

statement or guarantee that the treatments are safe.  Any

nutritional supplement can be harmful in very large amounts. 

This FAQ is provided with no warranty of any kind.  Life is full

of unknowns. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to avoid----NEW TO HERBS.

From: italialu@aol.com

Date: 10 Nov 1996 00:47:07 GMT



I have heard that some herbs should not be taken.  I am new to herbs, what

should I avoid.  Can someone give me a primer on herbs.  I suffer from

gastritis and being tired all the time.  HELP.  Thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to avoid----NEW TO HERBS.

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 9 Nov 1996 21:37:02 -0700



italialu@aol.com wrote:



>I have heard that some herbs should not be taken.  I am new to herbs, what

>should I avoid.  Can someone give me a primer on herbs.  I suffer from

>gastritis and being tired all the time.  HELP.  Thanks



Go to the library and do some research!  They have lots of books

on herbs.





Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to avoid----NEW TO HERBS.

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:40:45 GMT



>I have heard that some herbs should not be taken.  I am new to herbs, what

>should I avoid.  Can someone give me a primer on herbs.  I suffer from

>gastritis and being tired all the time.  HELP.  Thanks



A very rare year 1890 Goulds Medical Dictionary on CD using Acrobat

software with bookmarks. You can go to all the plants used at that

time throughout the 500 page volume with ease.

Every page has been scanned  at 1200 dpi, then converted into the PDF

Acrobat file. Each page is the same as it was then now only digital

(picture). All the books on the CD has been re-crafted this way for

authenticity of the info and can be read straight from the CD.

Great for herbal/botany research, especially historical. All the

plants we found in this volume are still used today!



Sincerely;

Margie

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm

Margie's Rare Books and Plant Clip art on CD-R







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to avoid----NEW TO HERBS.

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 10 Nov 1996 17:27:41 GMT



italialu@aol.com wrote:

>

> I have heard that some herbs should not be taken.  I am new to herbs, what

> should I avoid.  Can someone give me a primer on herbs.  I suffer from

> gastritis and being tired all the time.  HELP.  Thanks





Dear New to Herbs; Many herbs should be avoided by people with certain 

conditions and some herbs should be avoided...period. Go to the 

library and get a good book such as THE HEALING HERBS by Michael

Castleman or THE WAY OF HERBS by Michael Tierra. Or go to the 

archives in Herbal Hall on the internet if you are pretty handy with

your computer. There is no shortcut to learning about herbs if you

are serious about helping yourself with them. For instance. the

herb licorice can be helpful for some people with gastritis but 

people with high blood pressure probably should not use it...etc.

Please don't let a little study ahead of you deter you, Many, many

benefits are available to you through the wise use of herbs.



                     In good health (through herbs), Jerry







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help with Epstein Barr Virus

From: italialu@aol.com

Date: 10 Nov 1996 01:49:52 GMT



I have EB and I was told to get plenty of rest.  I am tired and cranky all

them time and I need more answers than just get plenty of rest.  Can

someone help me?  I need information on how to combat this virus and how

to get healthy again.  Is there a special diet, etc.  Any help will be

appreciated.  Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: 5-HTP

From: zito@west.net (Charles Zito)

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 96 02:44:12 GMT



I would appreciate any info on this new substance as well as sources selling 

it.  A friend of mine has said good things about 5-HTP.



Thanks,



Charlie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort - How to use?tea

From: glenn <largar@netidea.com>

Date: 10 Nov 1996 06:11:11 GMT



could someone please tell me how to make a tea with SJW.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort - How to use?tea

From: davepsych1@aol.com

Date: 10 Nov 1996 23:55:04 GMT



According to the doctors who created the Hypericum Home Page, the active

ingredients of SJW are not water-soluble, so a tea will probably not be

effective.



David





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: glenn <largar@netidea.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort - How to use?tea

From: "James A.L.Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.," <Dr.Health@iname.com>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:11:50 -0500



glenn wrote:

> 

> could someone please tell me how to make a tea with SJW.



The best way is to just make it the same way you make any other type of 

tea. NOTE: the more time you give mother nature to brew your tea the 

better it will be.  LOW HEAT IS THE BEST WAY. take it slow just like you 

would do with a woman.



Dr. James A.L.Dussault





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort - How to use?tea

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 13 Nov 1996 09:01:52 GMT



glenn <largar@netidea.com> wrote:

>could someone please tell me how to make a tea with SJW.



Take your tincture, put your dose into a cup, fill with hot water.  ;>

I don't bother with drying this herb.  I eat the fresh flowers all 

summer, pick some extra, and make into a tincture for winter's doldrums. 



Deb







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St John's Wort - How to use?tea

From: infinitea@olywa.net (Lisa Hayes, Herbalist Extraorindaire)

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:36:59 GMT



Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com> wrote:



>glenn <largar@netidea.com> wrote:

>>could someone please tell me how to make a tea with SJW.





You might want try mixing the dried flowers of St. John's Wart with

dried peppermint leaves, about 1/2  all together, let it steep in hot

water for quite a while, maybe 1/2 hour.  This is one of my favorate

teas.



Good Luck!!!





Lisa Hayes		888-956-4TEA

INFINTIEA@aol.com	http://www.webelegance.com/infinitea



"You're life, you're health, you're choices..."













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: daliwzrd1@aol.com

Date: 10 Nov 1996 07:13:31 GMT



How do you most like to eat your garlic? Any favorite recipies or

preparations you would like to share? Okay, I'll show you mine. It's what

I and my cohorts in crime refer to as the Garlic Ritual:



1. Warm a small bowl of olive oil until hot (but not boiling).

2. Peel the garlic cloves

3. Cube some of your favorite whole grain bread (here in northern

California we have this great locally made seeded sourdough)

4. cut up some *fresh* parmesan cheese into strips about two inches long

(about cracker size)

5. Dip a piece of bread in the olive oil and simultaneously pop the bread,

a clove of garlic and a piece of parmesan in your mouth and start chewing.





Mmmmm, mmmmm good! Of course, you want to make sure that if you attempt

this on your own you should make sure that either (a) your loved ones join

you in trying it or (b) you can arrange to be away from your loved ones

for a day or so. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 96 19:44:56 GMT



In article <19961110071600.CAA01576@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

   daliwzrd1@aol.com wrote:

>How do you most like to eat your garlic? Any favorite recipies or

>preparations you would like to share? Okay, I'll show you mine. It's what

>I and my cohorts in crime refer to as the Garlic Ritual:

>

>1. Warm a small bowl of olive oil until hot (but not boiling).

>2. Peel the garlic cloves

>3. Cube some of your favorite whole grain bread (here in northern

>California we have this great locally made seeded sourdough)

>4. cut up some *fresh* parmesan cheese into strips about two inches long

>(about cracker size)

>5. Dip a piece of bread in the olive oil and simultaneously pop the bread,

>a clove of garlic and a piece of parmesan in your mouth and start chewing.

>

>

>Mmmmm, mmmmm good! Of course, you want to make sure that if you attempt

>this on your own you should make sure that either (a) your loved ones join

>you in trying it or (b) you can arrange to be away from your loved ones

>for a day or so. 





That sounds good if you're a die hard garlic lover! Here's a favorite of mine:

Melt 1/2 cup butter or margarine,add chopped garlic and fresh or dried 

parsley.Pour over cooked spaghetti and add the parmesan(a couple of pounds or 

so).You can add all sorts of things to this,I added tiny canned shrimp one 

time.

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 02:47:33 GMT



daliwzrd1@aol.com spoke with these words:



>How do you most like to eat your garlic? Any favorite recipies or

>preparations you would like to share? Okay, I'll show you mine. It's what

>I and my cohorts in crime refer to as the Garlic Ritual:



snip





Again, here in Northern California, we have places that sell garlic

cloves in huge jars, buy one of those if you can, and the juice from

the jar of your favorite pickles.  Put the cloves in it, and wait

about 2 weeks.  eat heartily, as any pickled object..(food)



I got a jar of watermelon pickles for Christmas last year and put the

cloves in there...man oh man..it is good! THey last forever in the

fridge.



JWell











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: tavia@selway.umt.edu (J Waldrup)

Date: 11 Nov 1996 15:58:42 GMT



In article <19961110071600.CAA01576@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

 <daliwzrd1@aol.com> wrote:

>How do you most like to eat your garlic? Any favorite recipies or

>preparations you would like to share? Okay, I'll show you mine. It's what

>I and my cohorts in crime refer to as the Garlic Ritual:

>

>1. Warm a small bowl of olive oil until hot (but not boiling).

>2. Peel the garlic cloves

>3. Cube some of your favorite whole grain bread (here in northern

>California we have this great locally made seeded sourdough)

>4. cut up some *fresh* parmesan cheese into strips about two inches long

>(about cracker size)

>5. Dip a piece of bread in the olive oil and simultaneously pop the bread,

>a clove of garlic and a piece of parmesan in your mouth and start chewing.



I like to mix lots and lots of chopped garlic into cream cheese and eat it

on crackers and bread.  The longer you let it sit in the fridge, the

better it tastes.  I never let it sit for very long, though. ;)



I also like to bake whole heads of garlic (with the tops snipped off so

that the cloves show a little) in a baking dish surrounded with brie

cheese.   Bake until the garlic is tender and serve with a good White Zin.



YUM! GARLIC!

-- 

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| planning clinic. Consult your local telephone directory for information.

| ***** This .sig file is in direct violation of the Communications Act of

| 1934, amended in 1996.--[ Joni Waldrup, University of Montana (LGW #85)]





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: cheeena@aol.com

Date: 12 Nov 1996 15:06:01 GMT



My mom used to mash up garlic, fry it in a pan, and sprinkle sugar on it.

better than candy!



and then there's the really intense way--pickle raw cloves in soy sauce

for days and days...the more aged the cloves are, the sweeter and mellower

the bite. and, the more distinctive you will be - people will smell you

coming from a mile away. :) 

--acey





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: daliwzrd1@aol.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:54:05 -0800



daliwzrd1@aol.com wrote:

> 

> How do you most like to eat your garlic? Any favorite recipies or

> preparations you would like to share? Okay, I'll show you mine. It's what

> I and my cohorts in crime refer to as the Garlic Ritual:



That sounds wonderful!  I basically like garlic in everything!!  I

haven't come up with a recipe or anything...But, i'm just curious, does

anyone have any advice as to how peel garlic the easy way?  Is there an

easy way??



Sunbeam





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 02:35:00 GMT



In article <328CCA5D.46B4@osb.net>, Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net> wrote:

>daliwzrd1@aol.com wrote:

>> 

>> How do you most like to eat your garlic? Any favorite recipies or

>> preparations you would like to share? Okay, I'll show you mine. It's what

>> I and my cohorts in crime refer to as the Garlic Ritual:

>

>That sounds wonderful!  I basically like garlic in everything!!  I

>haven't come up with a recipe or anything...But, i'm just curious, does

>anyone have any advice as to how peel garlic the easy way?  Is there an

>easy way??

>

>Sunbeam



You can blanch them like tomatoes and the skin will come right off

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Stephen Jahner <sjahner@sojourn.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: Gordon Held <gheld@fix.net>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 06:48:52 -0800



Take the handle of a large knife, or any solid material for that matter,

and crush the garlic with the palm of your hand on the solid material. 

The garlic skin will crack open so you can easily peel it and leaves the

inside unbruised.  You can then slice, chop, grate, etc., it however you

want.



I find that slicing the clovers through a small cheese slicer works well

for me and I only put into whatever I am cooking for the last 3 - 5

minutes to preserve the nutrients and yet spread the flavor.



To me, to be any good, the garlic must be freshly processed the same day

as it is to be used.



Love doing this kind of research.



Gordon

> >anyone have any advice as to how peel garlic the easy way?  Is there an

> >easy way??

> >

> >Sunbeam

> 

> You can blanch them like tomatoes and the skin will come right off

> Barbara







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: lpew@sihope.com

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:41:45 GMT





>That sounds wonderful!  I basically like garlic in everything!!  I

>haven't come up with a recipe or anything...But, i'm just curious, does

>anyone have any advice as to how peel garlic the easy way?  Is there an

>easy way??



>Sunbeam



With the garlic clove still in its peel, lay the handle of a knife

over it, and gently but firmly "crush" the clove - push / tap down on

the knife handle with the heel of your hand.  (You don't have to

splatter it all over the kitchen)......then the peel comes off easily.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: rose-bob@wizard.net (Rose Harrison)

Date: 16 Nov 1996 17:56:10 GMT



 In article <56k5pa$r6m@darla.visi.com>, lpew@sihope.com says...

 >

 >

 >>That sounds wonderful!  I basically like garlic in everything!!  I

 >>haven't come up with a recipe or anything...But, i'm just curious, does

 >>anyone have any advice as to how peel garlic the easy way?  Is there an

 >>easy way??

 >

 >>Sunbeam

 >

 >With the garlic clove still in its peel, lay the handle of a knife

 >over it, and gently but firmly "crush" the clove - push / tap down on

 >the knife handle with the heel of your hand.  (You don't have to

 >splatter it all over the kitchen)......then the peel comes off easily.

 >



In addition, an easy way to mince onion is to "mince" with the back of the 

blade rather than the sharp blade.  (Use a large knife.) After you have minced 

the clove, use the sharp edge of the blade to cut your large blob of garlic 

into a couple of smaller pieces for cooking, etc.  







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: lisastag@cnw.com (Lisa Stag-Tout)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:13:12 GMT







After separating cloves from the head, use the side of a large knife

to apply pressure as if to flatten the clove, you'll hear a crunch and

the peel should come off much easier.

I'd love to see the details of "The Garlic Ritual", could it be

re-posted or emailed to me?

My favorite way to use garlic is for garlic bread....

Lightly saute minced garlic in equal parts of butter & good quality

olive oil. Don't let it brown. Spoon onto large sourdough loaf that

has been sliced lengthwise & press with back of spoon to "soak" the

bread deeply. Sprinkle with parmesean or romano & paprika & lighty

brown in the oven at about 375 for 10 min or so. Other measurements

are best left to personal discretion, my rule of thumb is - if you

think you've added enough garlic... double it.

I could use ideas on how to get fresh garlic into my children...



lisastag@cnw.com



Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net> wrote:



>daliwzrd1@aol.com wrote:

>> 

>> How do you most like to eat your garlic? Any favorite recipies or

>> preparations you would like to share? Okay, I'll show you mine. It's what

>> I and my cohorts in crime refer to as the Garlic Ritual:



>That sounds wonderful!  I basically like garlic in everything!!  I

>haven't come up with a recipe or anything...But, i'm just curious, does

>anyone have any advice as to how peel garlic the easy way?  Is there an

>easy way??



>Sunbeam









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: Jocelyn Olivia Mc Auley <jmcauley@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:46:50 PST



I seemed to miss the "Garlic Ritual" and would love to see it reposted.  

As far as peeling garlic goes I have this absolutely wonderfull peeler 

that is a tube of plastic.  You just put a clove of garlic into the tube 

and then roll the tube on the counter while pressing down on it.  The 

soft plastic grips the papery skin and off it comes.  It is very nice.  

Another really easy way to peel garlic is to just roast it then squish 

out the insides!  My favorite way actually.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: daliwzrd1@aol.com

Date: 18 Nov 1996 03:14:31 GMT



Jocelyn Olivia Mc Auley <jmcauley@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> writes:



>I seemed to miss the "Garlic Ritual" and would love to see it reposted.  



Okay..here it is:



1. Heat a small bowl of olive oil until hot (but not boiling)

2. Cube some of you favorite whole grain bread (here in Northern

California we have some locally made seeded sourdough that's ideal)

3. Cut up some *fresh* parmesan cheese into pieces about cracker size

4. Peel some cloves of raw garlic

5. Dip a piece of the bread in the oil and simultaneously pop oiled bread,

cheese and a clove of garlic in your mouth and begin chewing. It's really

tasty, gives a great rush and best of all, is entirely legal. 



Caution: Make sure those you love either share it with you or won't be

around for a day or so.  Sweet Garlic Dreams!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A Question for Garlic Lovers

From: johngott@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (John Gottstein)

Date: 18 Nov 1996 04:34:25 GMT



Sunbeam (sunbeam@osb.net) wrote:

: daliwzrd1@aol.com wrote:

: > 

: > How do you most like to eat your garlic? Any favorite recipies or

: > preparations you would like to share? Okay, I'll show you mine. It's what

: > I and my cohorts in crime refer to as the Garlic Ritual:

: Sunbeam



Since you like garlic so much, you'll love roasted garlic. Therer are a 

lot of neat gadgets to roast garlic in, but aluminum foil works fine. Set 

your oven to about 400 degrees, peel off the outside layers of papery 

stuff, cut the tip off of all the garlic cloves with a sharp knife,

but leave the head in tact. drizzle some olive oil on top, sprinkle with 

a little bit of dried italian herbs (thyme works well) - don't go 

overboard on the herbs. Also stick about a tablespoon of butter (or less) 

on top of the whole thing, wrap it up, and stick it in the oven for about 

a half hour. Then open the foil and continue baking for another 30 

minutes or so. once in  while, use a spoon and baste the garlic with the 

oil/butter. As you can see, there's no exact science to the whole thing, 

and it's pretty hard to screw up. 

	It's not too healthy, obviously, but it's one of the best tasting 

things on earth. Try it on some toasted italin bread with some brie 

cheese. Make sure someone is with you, because you could pass out from 

how good it is.



e mail me if you want more specific directions.



later,

        John



--



John C. Gottstein

johngott@mail.sas.upenn.edu

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~johngott



"Leave the gun...  take the cannoli"

                              -Clemenza in "The Godfather"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Milk Thistle in Bulk?

From: zito@west.net (Charles Zito)

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 96 16:21:38 GMT



I would like to find Milk Thistle in bulk so I can grind my own.  Does anyone 

know of any sources?



Thanks,



Charlie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle in Bulk?

From: jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz)

Date: 10 Nov 1996 17:34:05 GMT



Charles Zito (zito@west.net) wrote:

: I would like to find Milk Thistle in bulk so I can grind my own.  Does anyone 

: know of any sources?

: Charlie



Yes, Avena Botanicals sellls milk thistle seeds by the bag.  They don't 

have an 800 number, but their number is 207-594-0694.  For some 

reason they only take phone orders on Tues., Wed. and Thurs. 

between 9 and 5 EST, and they discourage you from leaving orders 

on their machine.  My catalog is one year old, but the price 

listed is $13 perpound, plus shipping and handling.  Good luck!

--Judy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle in Bulk?

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 17:52:37 GMT



On Sun, 10 Nov 96 16:21:38 GMT, zito@west.net (Charles Zito) wrote:



>I would like to find Milk Thistle in bulk so I can grind my own.  Does anyone 

>know of any sources?

Think I just found a little treasure and I want to share this

information with this newsgroup.... 

*Farmer and Consumers 

Market Bulletin

Georgia Dept of Agriculture

19 Martin Luther King Drive

Atlanta, GA. 30334-4250

(404) 656-3722

Maybe ask for a sample issue. If you live in Georgia it is a free

subscription. Out of State $10.00 per year (Weekly issues).

All kinds of neat stuff, herbs, seeds, raw honey, home made soap, food

stuffs, etc..  Sounds like fun! 

Simple down to earth newspaper contry folk advertise in to sell all

kinds of neat wares. Chuck full of little advertisements too. Kinda

like the back of a magazine but all neat down to earth stuff.

I talked with a large mail order herb catalogue sales person once,

they stated they get many of their herbs, supplies they sell in their

catalogue from people out in the country side. Well, maybe now we can

first hand too.

The sample newspaper I just recieved from a internet friend thru US

mail that lives in Georgia is about the same size as one of those

National Enquirer type papers at the Greo. check out stands, but only

12 pages. Same quality of paper as regular newspapers too. 

He states, "everything he ever bought from the bulletin is just great!

In the summertime, there is a lot more herbs and seasonal things".



Have Fun



Margie

Margie's Rare Books And Plant Cliart

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle in Bulk?

From: david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com

Date: 11 Nov 1996 05:12:53 GMT



In <564vd9$15q@daffy.sb.west.net>, zito@west.net (Charles Zito) writes:

>I would like to find Milk Thistle in bulk so I can grind my own.  Does anyone 

>know of any sources?



Milk thistle is just a seed.  I have several health food stores that carry the 

seed for around $19 a lb.  Ground up it is $20 a lb.  We used to grind 

the seeds ourselves, but for an extra buck, why not have someone else 

do it for you?  You can get a lb. of milk thistle seeds tho, locally here (Colorado

SPrings, CO) for $20.  Lasts awhile too.  A hell of a lot cheaper than buying the

caps.  We just eat a tablespoon at a time.  Works great that way.  My wife is

a liver transplant recipient and you could not pry these from her fingers

for anything.  She eats 2 to 3 tablespoons a day.



david



PS, email back if you want a tele number for a local distributor of this, but

you really should be able to get this just about anywhere.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Charles Zito <zito@west.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle in Bulk?

From: Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:51:03 -0800



Charles Zito wrote:

> 

> I would like to find Milk Thistle in bulk so I can grind my own.  Does anyone

> know of any sources?



Hi Charlie!!

	I'm in several list where we work with herbs and here are some of the

sources that have been mentioned for herb supplies..I've never used any

of these because i have 2 wonderful local sources..Hope this helps.



Sunbeam



For herbs and essential oils:



Isis Books & Moon Magick

5701 E Colfax

Denver CO  80220

303/321-0867

credit card orders 800/808-0867



The Very Essence

PO Box 22929

San Diego CA  92192 2929

619/453-1178

credit card orders 800/237-7362

fax 619/457-4683



Frontier Cooperative Herbs

3021 78th Street

P.O. Box 299

Norway, IA 52318

For those in the states, you can call 1-800-786-1388 or fax

1-800-717-4372 (both are toll free) to order the catalog.



Penn Herb Co.

Inc. 10601 Decatur Road

Suite 2

Philadelphia, PA 19154-3293.

1-800-523-9971



Some sources from Scott Cunningham's _The Complete Book of Incense,

Oils, and Brews_:



Aphrodisia

282 Bleeker St.

New York, NY 10018

A wide selection of dried herbs.  Send $2 for catalog



Companion Plants

7247 N. Coolville Ridge Rd.

Athens, OH 45701

Hundreds of rare and unusual herbs and plants.  Live or seeds. Send $2

for catalog



The Crystal Cave

415 W. Foothill Blvd.

Claremont, CA 91711

Dried herbs and other things.  Send $1 for catalog



Eye of the Cat

3314 E. Broadway

Long Beach, CA 90803

A huge stock of common and unusual dried herbs, charcoal blocks,

candles, books.  Send $8 for their huge herb catalog.



Herbal Endeavors

3618 S. Emmons Ave.

Rochester Hills, MI 48063

Send $2 for catalog (refundable with first purchase)



Isis

5701 E. Colfax Ave.

Denver, CO 80220

Send for free catalog



Taylor's Herb Gardens, Inc.

1535 Lone Oak Rd.

Vista, CA 92084

Live herb plants and seeds shipped by mail.  Send $1 for catalog.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Milk Thistle in Bulk?

From: kestevens2@aol.com

Date: 17 Nov 1996 15:09:31 GMT



In article <328CC9A7.901@osb.net>, Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net> writes:



>	I'm in several list where we work with herbs and here are some of

the

>sources that have been mentioned for herb supplies..I've never used any

>of these because i have 2 wonderful local sources..Hope this helps.

>

>Sunbeam

>

>For herbs and essential oils:

>

>Isis Books & Moon Magick

>5701 E Colfax

>Denver CO  80220

>303/321-0867

>credit card orders 800/808-0867



Being local to Isis, I wouldn't recommend buying herbs for medicinal

purposes there. You really have no idea how long they've been on the

shelves. Isis is a metaphysical shop rather than an herb shop.



I'd recommend Herbal Healer Academy. They have whole Milk Thistle seed for

about $19/lb, and Marijah McCain, the proprietor, is *very* picky about

her herbs.



Herbal Healer Academy

HC32, 97-B

Mt. View, AR 72560

1-501-269-4177



They've also got a web site, but I can't find my bookmark for it right

now.



 /\ _ /\

( * ^ * )          KAT

(__|__)~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Asthma - lose weight!

From: gmcmulle@mail.qb.island.net (Graham and Colette McMullen)

Date: 10 Nov 1996 17:40:24 GMT



Sorry people, I just got angry when I read that losing weight will cure 

asthma!  I get real,  real, tired of hearing weight being the problem of all 

ills.   One might or might not feel better if  they are skinny.   Personally I 

 believe the med.profession  simply does not know and used this as an excuse 

for everything.

	I understand some people are  130ish. naturaly - some of us  arn't!  

and  are  in better health if we stop torturing out bodies to be thiner than  

our  genetic plan  is patterned for.

	By medical  'fact'  I  am   30lbs. overweight (I weight 150)  but, I  

assure you my asthma and most other conditions were  far  worse when I  was  

excersising 2  or  3 hours  a day  and eating  600 cal.  Thats what it took to 

 keep me at that weight - I was  real ill after a  few  years - don't let 

medical experts talk you into hurting  yourself!!

colette





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Asthma - lose weight!

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 10 Nov 1996 13:54:02 -0700



gmcmulle@mail.qb.island.net (Graham and Colette McMullen) wrote:



>Sorry people, I just got angry when I read that losing weight will cure 

>asthma!  I get real,  real, tired of hearing weight being the problem of all 

>ills.   

  There is a difference between having asthma and just being

short of breath (often a consequence of too little exercise and

poor endurance).  It can be hard to tell the difference.





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: gmcmulle@mail.qb.island.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Asthma - lose weight!

From: Altherapy Distributors International LLC <altherapydist@internetMCI.com>

Date: 11 Nov 1996 19:33:10 GMT



Some Asthma attacks can be be brought on by a number of allergic reactions 

in sensitized people, while others are provoked by a variety of factors 

including irritant particles, psychological stresses and vigorous 

exercise.  Episodes are caused most often by "Triggers", which are 

conditions or substances (any kind of allergen) that irrate and inflame 

the air passages to the extent that air cannot pass freely to or from 

lungs.



Most common triggers:



Cigarette smoke           Air Pollutants

Pollen                    Certain Food

Mold                      Respiratory infections

Animals                   Weather (cold or dry)

Certain medications (ibuprofen,asprin and some prescriptions)



You might want to try:



Licorice Root:  Stimulates production of interferon.  Decreases muscle 

spasms and stimulates mucus flow from the lungs and bronchial tubes.  Also 

believed to heal inflamed mucour membranes in the respiratory tract.

*Side Effects:  Long term use or excessive amounts can produce headache, 

lethargy, sodium and water retention, excessive loss of potassium and high 

blood pressure.



Ginkgo Biloba:  increases blood flow and oxygenation to the cells.  In 

many studies it has shown good results in treating asthma.





Co-Enzyme Q10:  Can offset the histamine in the system.  Increases 

production of intereron in the body to help counteract disease.



Blue-green Algae:  Strenghtens the body and has anti-inflamatory 

properties.



Mullein:  Used extensively in traditional cultures (i.e. Native America)

to treat lung problems and asthmatic conditions.  The soothing effect of 

the herb is ideal fro asthma and lung ailments.



Always check with you doctor first before using food supplements, vitamins

etc.......



Check out our Web Site:  http://www.choicemall.com/adi



Go to "What Ail's You"  Click on Asthma.  Listed you will find every 

vitamin, herb, mineral, aromatherapy etc...... you need for asthma.



We also have the Better Health Booklets on Asthma. This provides you with 

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conditions.  The book targets asthma and lays out the do's and don'ts in a 

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These are the "Cliff Notes" to Better Health, these booklets concentrate 

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In some instances these booklets are free.  We are NOT a multi-level 

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          Corona Del Mar, California  92625

E-Mail:  altherapydist@internetMCI.com

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Asthma - lose weight!

From: taurus@prolog.net (Herm)

Date: 14 Nov 1996 20:41:08 GMT



In article <565428$geq@cliff.island.net>, 

gmcmulle@mail.qb.island.net says...



>Sorry people, I just got angry when I read that losing weight will 

>cure asthma!  I get real,  real, tired of hearing weight being the 

>problem of all ills.   One might or might not feel better if  they 

>are skinny.   Personally I  believe the med.profession  simply 

>does not know and used this as an excuse for everything.

>        I understand some people are  130ish. naturaly - some of 

>us  arn't!  and  are  in better health if we stop torturing out 

>bodies to be thiner than  our  genetic plan  is patterned for.

>        By medical  'fact'  I  am   30lbs. overweight (I weight 

>150)  but, I  assure you my asthma and most other conditions were 

> far  worse when I  was  excersising 2  or  3 hours  a day  and 

>eating  600 cal.  Thats what it took to  keep me at that weight - 

>I was  real ill after a  few  years - don't let medical experts 

>talk you into hurting  yourself!!

>colette



I doubt if any doctor put you on a 600 calory diet, and had you 

exercising for 2 hours or more, to lose 30 pounds.  I may be wrong 

but I don't think so.  And frankly, I very much doubt if any doctor 

told you your asthma would be gone if you lost 30 pounds, or more.

My son has asthma, he is thin.  Thin by nature, as he eats well and 

does not exercise.  Perhaps I should say, he eats.  Lots of junk 

food, and normally he shies away from the lowfat stuff.  HIs astham 

is severe at times, he has been hospitalized for it quite often

So I do agree that losing weight probably won't help much, but I do 

have doubts that you got that info from a doctor.  If so, change 

doctors at once.   

                 Herm

--

Rev. Herm Schugard  K3JSZ since 1959 Nudist since birth

     taurus@ptd.net           herms@voicenet.com

       http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1255







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help! Need Book for Making and Selling Natural Cosmetic.

From: Eran <mrerk@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 10:12:12 -0800



Hi,



I plan to open a small business of natural cosmetic in the future. So I

need to receive the best book that helps me how to create and sell

natural cosmetic products and other herbal products. Those products are

soaps, shampoos, lotions, perfumes and many more. They must be chemical

free and organic. The best book must include not only recipes but also

equipment to buy and use, and a necessary room space of work and many

more. It should be readable and professional.



I have been searching for the best book often among the Internet's

pages, and I still have not found any yet. If you know any book that is

best for a small business of making and selling all natural cosmetic

products, please email me at mrerk@earthlink.net. I will be very

grateful.



Please remember I am *not* looking for any book that teaches how to open

a small business. I am looking for any book that teaches how to create

and sell all natural cosmetic products.



Thank you very much,

Eran :-)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help! Need Book for Making and Selling Natural Cosmetic.

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 14 Nov 1996 09:20:51 GMT



Eran <mrerk@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Hi,

>

>I plan to open a small business of natural cosmetic in the future. So I

>need to receive the best book that helps me how to create and sell

>natural cosmetic products and other herbal products. Those products are

>soaps, shampoos, lotions, perfumes and many more. They must be chemical

>free and organic. The best book must include not only recipes but also

>equipment to buy and use, and a necessary room space of work and many

>more. It should be readable and professional.

>

>I have been searching for the best book often among the Internet's

>pages, and I still have not found any yet. If you know any book that is

>best for a small business of making and selling all natural cosmetic

>products, please email me at mrerk@earthlink.net. I will be very

>grateful.

>

>Please remember I am *not* looking for any book that teaches how to open

>a small business. I am looking for any book that teaches how to create

>and sell all natural cosmetic products.

>

>Thank you very much,

>Eran :-)



I'm sorry Eran,

It seems to me that you are going about this backwards.  IMO there are 

too many people peddling "All Natural Cosmetic Products" these days.

  

I have been studying herbs/natural products for more than 20 years.  

Within the last several years, I began wildcrafting a few of the herbs 

that I have studied and use.  Under the direction of 'one more 

experienced than I', I've begun to make my own tinctures and oils.  I 

have progressed to the point of experimenting with my own lotions & 

potions.  (& learned a LOT about skin allergies and the importance of 

aroma, specific oils, etc.)



IMO, if you want to open a business, then please do, it is the 'American 

Way' after all, and I support it wholeheartedly.  But, please don't be 

another beginner acting like a pro.  (at least not with herbs)



If you want a good book about herbs/natural ingredients see the list in 

the FAQ.  Take it one step at a time and please learn about the herbs you 

plan on using.  (There are some of us that would like to see some 

licencing of herbal practicioners to protect all of us from 

unknowledgable (is that a word?) producers.)



I know people who have made soap-making (for example) into a lifes' work. 

The business that you are proposing is much too broad for one who hasn't 

done their homework.



Best of luck in your studies,

Deb



Deb's Endeavors







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help! Need Book for Making and Selling Natural Cosmetic.

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 14 Nov 1996 06:02:01 -0700



>Eran <mrerk@earthlink.net> wrote:



>>I plan to open a small business of natural cosmetic in the future. So I

>>need to receive the best book that helps me how to create and sell

>>natural cosmetic products and other herbal products. 

   The book you need is a big fat one of the various national

regulations that apply to cosmetic manufacturers, and the state

ones too.

   You can't just set up a lab and start making and selling

things.  To protect the general public, and your staff, you will

have to be inspected, and your ingredient list checked against

the known toxic and/or polluting stuff.

   One way around this is to rent the production line of a 

larger manufacturer for your stuff: it's commonly done with 

private label foods.  You just use your recipes and bottles,

their equipment and inspectors.



>>Please remember I am *not* looking for any book that teaches how to open

>>a small business.

   If you don't already have one, get it.  You will go broke fast

if you don't.



And another reply:



>IMO, if you want to open a business, then please do, it is the 'American 

>Way' after all, and I support it wholeheartedly.  But, please don't be 

>another beginner acting like a pro.  (at least not with herbs)

   Agree.  And, there are many recipes already out there ... it

is up to the individual to seek them out and decide which ones

make sense for their kind of business, adapting as needed.

  If this book DID exist, everyone would be making the same

stuff!  

  



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help! Need Book for Making and Selling Natural Cosmetic.

From: mmesavon@aol.com

Date: 14 Nov 1996 22:50:20 GMT



<<So I

>>need to receive the best book that helps me how to create and sell

>>natural cosmetic products and other herbal products. >>



There are a couple good books that will get you started:

Natural Beauty Book by Janice Cox

Herbal Body Book by Stephanie Tourles



Assuming that you're talking about making cosmetics out of natural

ingredients and not trying to duplicate the preservative and chemical

laden lotions in the stores, this is the following information I received

from Chuck Haines at the FDA.



You cannot get a license to make cosmetics since there is no such thing. 

However, at any time the FDA may come knocking on your door and do an

inspection.  At the very least they'll cite areas that you have to improve

on and/or shut you down and at the very most they'll sock you with a huge

fine.  However, he also said that they just didn't have enough manpower to

monitor the industry so was unlikely they'd bother you unless they got a

serious complaint from a consumer.



Keep in mind that if you're making natural cosmetics, you have a higher

chance of mold and bacteria occurring in your lotions because you aren't

using preservatives. A very serious consideration when looking at selling

to stores where the lotions may stay on the shelves in perpetuity.



Also, if you claim medicinal or beneficial benefits for your cosmetics,

you can expect the FDA to look you up.  Apparently this is where they

spend the majority of their time, hunting down companies who make

medicinal claims for their products.



Sorry I don't have more information, but I originally spoke with him about

soapmaking which doesn't fall under the cosmetic regulations.  The rest of

this just came up in the conversation because I was considering making

lotions.



Melody

Rainbow Meadow Essential Oil Co.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help! Need Book for Making and Selling Natural Cosmetic.

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:10:53 GMT



>>need to receive the best book that helps me how to create and sell

>>natural cosmetic products and other herbal products. >>

Mother Nature's Guide to Vibrant Beauty & Health By Myra Cameron.

Published by Prentice Hall. 



Sincerely



Margie

http://www.alice.net/pers/antique.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help! Need Book for Making and Selling Natural Cosmetic.

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 16 Nov 1996 19:42:59 GMT



The Herbal Beauty & Health Book by Hilary Boddie, Prima Publishing

Lots of fairly simple recipes.



There are some aromatherapy business groups out there, check the

alt.aromatherapy newsgroup.  Some oils and creams set better than others,

etc., and these are the people to talk to about how to get your wares to

market in a safe and effective manner.



Good luck,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: another cat question

From: Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net>

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:43:38 -0600



Is there a natural remedy for fleas for cats and/or dogs?  Something I

can put in their food or bathe them in, perhaps?



Thank you kindly,



Karen Brim

mailto:jbrim@prysm.net







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: another cat question

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 10 Nov 1996 13:56:01 -0700



Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net> wrote:



>Is there a natural remedy for fleas for cats and/or dogs?  Something I

>can put in their food or bathe them in, perhaps?



  I have heard the feeding them a couple tablets of brewer's

yeast daily will discourage fleas.  Most cats really like the

taste of the tablets, which means you aren't faced with the

problem of getting the yeast into the cat without being clawed.



Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Side effects of herbs?

From: Linda Woodward <lwood@frontiernet.net>

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:39:28 -0800



Does anyone know if the following herbs would possibly contribute to

making blood not clot properly?  Ginseng, ginkgo biloba, echinacea,

goldenseal, astragalus, garlic.

I have a hematoma in my leg resulting from a fall (Labor Day) and had it

opened and drained 3 weeks ago.  It will not stop bleeding - doctor has

recently packed it with 'stuff' to try to stop it, but it is not

working.  The next step is to surgically open it and cauterize but I

would like to avoid that.  I am taking all of the above herbs and am

wondering if any of them would contribute to the problem.  Any help

would be appreciated.  Thank you.       Linda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of herbs?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 10 Nov 1996 19:29:01 -0700



Linda Woodward <lwood@frontiernet.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know if the following herbs would possibly contribute to

>making blood not clot properly?  Ginseng, ginkgo biloba, echinacea,

>goldenseal, astragalus, garlic.

  Stop the GINSENG!!!!   It affects clotting like aspirin does.  





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of herbs?

From: voorhis@donald.brandonu.ca

Date: 11 Nov 96 17:04:30 CST



In article <56631d$6qp@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, callie@writepage.com (Callie) writes:

> Linda Woodward <lwood@frontiernet.net> wrote:

> 

>>Does anyone know if the following herbs would possibly contribute to

>>making blood not clot properly?  Ginseng, ginkgo biloba, echinacea,

>>goldenseal, astragalus, garlic.

>   Stop the GINSENG!!!!   It affects clotting like aspirin does.  

> Callie



You'd better stop the ginkgo biloba for a while too.  It also affects

clotting.

RV

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of herbs?

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 13 Nov 1996 16:58:29 GMT



In <56631d$6qp@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> callie@writepage.com (Callie)

writes: 

>

>Linda Woodward <lwood@frontiernet.net> wrote:

>

>>Does anyone know if the following herbs would possibly contribute to

>>making blood not clot properly?  Ginseng, ginkgo biloba, echinacea,

>>goldenseal, astragalus, garlic.

>  Stop the GINSENG!!!!   It affects clotting like aspirin does.  

>

>

>Callie



Would small usage of ginseng do the same thing?? My husband uses it for

an energy boost in the afternoons. He always gets bumps, scrapes,

bruises at work, so would just using one small vial once a day make him

bruise worse then??



Also, if ginseng affects clotting like aspirin does, would maybe small

daily use of it be effective to prevent second heart attacks?? A friend

of mine takes an aspirin a day because she had a heart attack 2 years

ago.



Curious.....



Cookie







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: lwood@frontiernet.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of herbs?

From: "James A.L.Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.," <Dr.Health@iname.com>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:02:07 -0500



Linda Woodward wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know if the following herbs would possibly contribute to

> making blood not clot properly?  Ginseng, ginkgo biloba, echinacea,

> goldenseal, astragalus, garlic.

> I have a hematoma in my leg resulting from a fall (Labor Day) and had it

> opened and drained 3 weeks ago.  It will not stop bleeding - doctor has

> recently packed it with 'stuff' to try to stop it, but it is not

> working.  The next step is to surgically open it and cauterize but I

> would like to avoid that.  I am taking all of the above herbs and am

> wondering if any of them would contribute to the problem.  Any help

> would be appreciated.  Thank you.       Linda



Some times hematomas are quite large and deep and take more time to heal

to stop the bleeding use a good grade of cayenne (capsicum frutescens)

place the cayenne right in the open wound.  Then cover the wound with 

gause.  DO NOT take the gause off for  24hr  then E-Mail me  with the 

results.



P.S come off all the Herbs for 72 hours. 

You are lacking Vit K  you need to take extra B complex with extra B 12

also take a large dose of acidophilus for five days.



James A.L. Dussault N.D. P.M.D. D.Sc.,





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of herbs?

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard)

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:33:51 GMT



Linda Woodward <lwood@frontiernet.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know if the following herbs would possibly contribute to

>making blood not clot properly?  Ginseng, ginkgo biloba, echinacea,

>goldenseal, astragalus, garlic.

>I have a hematoma in my leg resulting from a fall (Labor Day) and had it

>opened and drained 3 weeks ago.  It will not stop bleeding - doctor has

>recently packed it with 'stuff' to try to stop it, but it is not

>working.  The next step is to surgically open it and cauterize but I

>would like to avoid that.  I am taking all of the above herbs and am

>wondering if any of them would contribute to the problem.  Any help

>would be appreciated.  Thank you.       Linda



Hi Linda,



I don't think any of these herbs contribute to your problem (goldenseal inhibits excessive

bleeding). Try to find one of these 2 chinese herbal formulas:

- Tienchi Powder Raw (in chinese Sheng Tian Qi Fen) in bottle of 40 g.

or

- Yunnan Paiyao (in chinese Yun Nan Bai Yao) in bottle of 4 g.



Apply the powder externally to the bleeding area.

CAUTION : don't use internally during pregnancy.

Available in any chinese herbs stores.



I hope this helps,



Richard







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of herbs?

From: pcook@a4455apc.esr.hp.com ()

Date: 14 Nov 1996 12:47:41 GMT



Linda Woodward (lwood@frontiernet.net) wrote:

: Does anyone know if the following herbs would possibly contribute to

: making blood not clot properly?  Ginseng, ginkgo biloba, echinacea,

: goldenseal, astragalus, garlic.

: I have a hematoma in my leg resulting from a fall (Labor Day) and had it

: opened and drained 3 weeks ago.  It will not stop bleeding - doctor has

: recently packed it with 'stuff' to try to stop it, but it is not

: working.  The next step is to surgically open it and cauterize but I

: would like to avoid that.  I am taking all of the above herbs and am

: wondering if any of them would contribute to the problem.  Any help

: would be appreciated.  Thank you.       Linda



Hi, Linda,



   Sorry to hear you are having such troubles with your leg.

   I am not certain, but I think all of those herbs are

   innocuous with respect to healing, except for ginkgo, 

   which provides its benefits through an increase in

   capillary blood flow.  Sounds like you have more capillary

   blood flow than you need right now.



   Another thing that can really make wound healing difficult is

   aspirin.  If you are taking aspirin for any reason, (or 

   white willow bark decoction, either), you should definitely

   stop that for the time being.



   One remedy I have seen recommended for bleeding is to take

   a little capsicum (cayenne pepper) in water, a couple of times

   a day.  An eighth of a teaspoon in a four ounce glass of water

   would be good to start, and if it helps, go up to as much as

   a tablespoon at a time.  Turmeric is also recommended, in the

   same fashion, up to a half-teaspoon at a time.



   I hope this helps.  Good luck avoiding the surgery.



------------ Paul A. Cook







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Saw Palmetto

From: cbrown2812@aol.com

Date: 11 Nov 1996 00:48:36 GMT



I am doing a research paper on saw palmetto and I need to find out if

anyone or group is currently doing research on this plant in the USA.  I

understand that is has been banned by the FDA for use for treatment of

BPH,  I would like to know if it's been sold on a commercial scale in the

USA, and for what use.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto

From: barbara493@aol.com

Date: 11 Nov 1996 02:08:23 GMT



I don't have any of information about Saw Palmetto personally, but I read

on another news group that it is sometimes recommended for use by women

with PCOS (polycystic ovaries syndrome) as it can alleviate the symptom of

hirsutism. I don't know whether it does work for this or not.  Just

passing along what I read elsewhere.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto

From: Sonia Fletcher <sfletch@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:43:10 -0800



cbrown2812@aol.com wrote:

> 

> I am doing a research paper on saw palmetto and I need to find out if

> anyone or group is currently doing research on this plant in the USA.  I

> understand that is has been banned by the FDA for use for treatment of

> BPH,  I would like to know if it's been sold on a commercial scale in the

> USA, and for what use.



As far as I know, it is sold as a "dietary supplement" only.  Companies 

that market it aren't allowed to make any health claims.  However, I 

know that many men, including a good friend of mine,  have had relief of 

symptoms of benign enlargement of the prostate from taking it.

Check out the following page:  

http://www.cruzio.com/~mendosa/sawpalm.html



Sonia Fletcher





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 11 Nov 1996 17:58:07 GMT



cbrown2812@aol.com wrote:

>

> I am doing a research paper on saw palmetto and I need to find out if

> anyone or group is currently doing research on this plant in the USA.  I

> understand that is has been banned by the FDA for use for treatment of

> BPH,  I would like to know if it's been sold on a commercial scale in the

> USA, and for what use.





C.Brown; I don't think Saw Palmetto is baned by the FDA. However, they

do ban medical CLAIMS for Saw Palmetto, as well as other herbs. It is

for sale in just about every herb and health food store in the USA.

Also many of the "more progressive" drug stores now sell Saw Palmetto.

It is pretty well researched in Germany and several other nations.

Of course research in the US is hard to find. Perhaps very recently

some clinics and/or colleges may have done some studies. I sell herbs

as well as study them and take them myself. Several of my customers

have said it (Saw Palmetto) helps BPH tremendously, especially with 

reduction in excessive nighttime micturition.



                In good health (through herbs), Jerry





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: fibromyalgia herbs??treatment??

From: rite@infomatch.com (PWright)

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:34:23 -0800



Hi, anyone have any suggestions of what herbs or other treatments to try

for fibromyalgia. My sister has just been diagnosed and I'm searching for

some suggestions to offer her. Thanks in advance for your time.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: fibromyalgia herbs??treatment??

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 14 Nov 1996 01:27:03 GMT



In article <rite-ya023180001011961834230001@news.infomatch.com>,

rite@infomatch.com (PWright) writes:



>Hi, anyone have any suggestions of what herbs or other treatments to try

>for fibromyalgia. 



There's been some research on using malic acid and magnesium as

supplements to lessen the muscle pain.  Among the herbs that Leon Chaitow

mentions in his book "Fibromyalgia & Muscle Pain" are: ginkgo biloba (good

effects on circulation, oxygenation of tissues, antioxidant effects),

echinacea, astragalus and ginseng.  



We've had quite a few customers with fibromyalgia over the past few years.

 Among the more effective treatments mentioned were massage/manipulation,

hydrotherapy, and acupuncture.  With any of these, you need to find a

practitioner in your area that has done some work with fibromyalgia. 

There is  fibromyalgia newsgroup which is an excellent place to start for

this type of information.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing PAges Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Essiac and 4 Herb Tea ???

From: talthouse@interhop.net (Thomas D. Althouse)

Date: 11 Nov 1996 04:28:14 GMT



Has anyone heard of these or have any facts about them? Where, when, how?



Your help is appreciated.



Thank you.



Tom Althouse







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Essiac and 4 Herb Tea ???

From: Linda Rice <lindy@nauticom.net>

Date: 16 Nov 96 05:06:21 GMT



Hi Thomas,



I hope this may help you...:)  This is what I can tell you from articles 

that I've read on Essiac.



In 1922 Rene Caisse, a Canadian nurse, noticed a large scar on an elderly 

patients breast.  Inquiring...she learned that 30 years earlier she had 

recovered from a severe breast cancer tumor after taking an herbal potion 

offered to her by an Indian friend.



Caisee gathered the same herbs and brewed them into a tea and offered them 

to a close relative battling advanced stomach cancer.  Her aunt recovered 

and lived another 21 years.  Rene Caisee along with a friend, Dr.R.O. 

Fisher of Toronto began to experiment and were soon able to help a 

significant number of people.



Rene Caisee decided to call the herbal treatment ESSIAC...(her last name 

spelled backwards).



In 1926, nine doctors petitioned the Canadian health department to allow 

testing of this herbal remedy.  They testified that ESSIAC had reduced 

tumors and prolonged life in hopeless cases and showed remarkable results 

when everything else failed.



Rene Caisee's 72 year old mother who had inoperable liver cancer recovered 

and lived another 18 years. Rene Caisee treated thousands in the following 

years.  She refused to publicly divulge the precise ingredients during her 

life time, saying that it might have been exploited and misused.  

Politians and doctors said that they could not approve it without knowing 

the precise ingredients.



In 1939, 387 of Rene Caisse's patients volunteered to testify, a Royal 

Cancer Commission regarded all evidence inconclusive.  She then was forced 

to work in secrecy and eventually at age 70, she was invited to the Brusch 

Medical Center in Cambridge, Mass.



Dr. Brusch concluded that ESSIAC..."used clinically, on patients suffering 

from pathologically proven cancer, reduces pain and causes a recession in 

the growth; patients have gained weight and shown an improvement in their 

general health...Remarkable beneficial results were obtained even on those 

cases at the 'end of the road' where it proved to prolong life and the 

quality of that life...doctors do not say that ESSIAC is a cure, but they 

do say it is a benefit."



Rene Caisse died in 1978, age 90.  By then, she had disclosed the 

ingredients.  Today Resperin of Canada holds the Trade Mark to the name 

ESSIAC.



It is commonly agreed that there were four original ingredients; burbock 

root, sheep sorrel, turkey rhubarb root and slippery elm bark.  Some 

believe that later on Caisse modified the formula by adding additional 

ingredients.



Hope this might shed a bit more light on Essiac for you... :)



Take Care and God Bless,



Linda







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Essiac and 4 Herb Tea ???

From: Greenrey <greenrey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:18:08 -0800



Dear Thomas (and Linda),



	I provide information concerning my mother's use of essiac on my 

homepage.  The URL is http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1982/

	Also included are the recipe my mother used (so far as we can 

tell, the original used by Nurse Caisse), a short summary of the history 

of essiac, and one or two links to other essiac sites.

	My mother had a remarkable recovery from cancer using only 

essiac--I make the information available in the hope that it will benefit 

others.



Best Wishes,



Greenrey

-- 

"Be ashamed to die until you have won

 some victory for mankind."

		--Horace Mann, 1859

The time is NOW!  Do your part.

greenrey@worldnet.att.net    -or-    awynnhi@kes.miracosta.cc.ca.us

Visit Greenrey's Study at:  http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1982/







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: dogs and heartworms...help??

From: tygger@ix.netcom.com (tygger)

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:10:01 GMT



my herbalist that i use for myself and my livestock/pets is out of

town for two weeks.  one of my dogs is diagnosed with heartworms.  we

like to approach things holistically before resorting to harsh medical

extremes, such as in this case.



does anyone have an idea of treating this herbally?  my herbalist had

mentioned it before..if not, i will wait til she is back. if so, write

to me personally at tygger@ix.netcom.com.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: All

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help with Sciatica

From: Paul Pesce <pesce@value.net>

Date: 11 Nov 1996 16:54:46 GMT



Anyone have any good reccomendations for help with Sciatica?

Thanks..Paul

pesce@value.net







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Sciatica

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 03:16:34 GMT



Paul Pesce <pesce@value.net> spoke with these words:



>Anyone have any good reccomendations for help with Sciatica?

>Thanks..Paul

>pesce@value.net



a good massage works wonders. 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Sciatica

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 13 Nov 1996 17:06:43 GMT



In <568q6u$57g@news.xmission.com> JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well) writes: 

>

>Paul Pesce <pesce@value.net> spoke with these words:

>

>>Anyone have any good reccomendations for help with Sciatica?

>>Thanks..Paul

>>pesce@value.net

>

>a good massage works wonders. 

>



See a chiropractor, mine cured me after suffering from it for over a

year. Every time I do something that having sciatica kept me from

doing, I say a small prayer of thanks to Dr. Bruce in Haddon Heights,

NJ.



Cookie







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Sciatica

From: pdsd@ultranet.ca

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:43:12 GMT



rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka) wrote:



>In <568q6u$57g@news.xmission.com> JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well) writes: 

>>

>>Paul Pesce <pesce@value.net> spoke with these words:

>>

>>>Anyone have any good reccomendations for help with Sciatica?

>>>Thanks..Paul

>>>pesce@value.net

>>

>>a good massage works wonders. 

>>



>See a chiropractor, mine cured me after suffering from it for over a

>year. Every time I do something that having sciatica kept me from

>doing, I say a small prayer of thanks to Dr. Bruce in Haddon Heights,

>NJ.



>Cookie



I agree, one can obtain a lot of releif from Chiropractic.  I did.

But after a year or more, the adjustments started getting more

difficult as the muscles tightened, and they pulled the vertebrae out

of place more quickly.  Eventually, the answer for me was to get a

massage to relax the muscles, get the adjustment, and then buckle down

and do my *stretching* twice a day.  Since I took responsibility for

keeping the muscles supple, I haven't had pain for the last siix

months.  Been to the Chiropracter once in that time.



	Good Luck!  Sherri







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Paul Pesce <pesce@value.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Sciatica

From: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:10:56 -0800



Paul Pesce wrote:

> 

> Anyone have any good reccomendations for help with Sciatica?

> Thanks..Paul

> pesce@value.net



Ayurveda recommends several things for sciatica; proper dosha diet,

exercise (eg walking), yoga - leg stretches, back bends, foot massage

with warm sesame oil, and application of pain-reducing oil- mahanarayan.

   For more info see http://www.holistic.com/listings/11709ac1.html or

email us.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Sciatica

From: wsears@tiac.net

Date: 12 Nov 1996 21:27:27 GMT



Homeopathic tissue salt Magnesia Phosphorica should provide some relief.



Wanita







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Sciatica

From: jdist@mindspring.com (John Distler)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:43:41 GMT



Paul Pesce <pesce@value.net> wrote:



>Anyone have any good reccomendations for help with Sciatica?

>Thanks..Paul

>pesce@value.net



I had terrible sciatica years ago.     Out of desperation I took up

swimming 2-3 times a week, 20-30 minutes.     80% improvement after

1st time.    







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Sciatica

From: tschuler@ptd.net (Timothy J. Schuler)

Date: 25 Nov 1996 08:02:54 GMT



jdist@mindspring.com (John Distler) wrote:



>Paul Pesce <pesce@value.net> wrote:



>>Anyone have any good reccomendations for help with Sciatica?

>>Thanks..Paul

>>pesce@value.net



>I had terrible sciatica years ago.     Out of desperation I took up

>swimming 2-3 times a week, 20-30 minutes.     80% improvement after

>1st time.    



I too suffer from siatica and would love to hear comments and

suggestions as well.



Regards,

Tim

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Sciatica

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:48:44 GMT



On 25 Nov 1996 08:02:54 GMT, tschuler@ptd.net (Timothy J. Schuler) wrote:



>I too suffer from siatica and would love to hear comments and

>suggestions as well.



Here's what I have on my hard disk:



Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:00:06 -0700 (MST)

From: "Ronald Hoggan, Queen Elizabeth High School" <RBHOGGAN@cbe.ab.ca>



This person may be interested in looking at:

1. Hadjivassiliou et. al. "Does cryptic gluten sensitivity play a part in 

neurological illness?" _The Lancet_ 1996; 347:369-371.



In the article it says they found that 57 percent of those with

neurological problems of unknown cause also had antibodies to gliadin,

which is a component of gluten. Sixteen percent of them had coeliac

disease, a much higher level than normally found.



and 

2. Usai, et. al. "Adult Celiac Disease Is Frequently Associated with 

Sacroiliitis" _Digestive Diseases and Sciences_ 1995; 40(9): 1906-1908.



and

3. Ward, et. al. "Celiac disease and spinocerebellar degeneration with 

normal vitamin E status" _Neurology_ 1985; 35: 1199-1201.



In each of these articles, there is considerable evidence that would

suggest that testing for celiac disease might be prudent for a person

suffering from sciatica of an unknown cause. Nerve damage is recently

being connected to gluten intolerance by a variety of researchers.



If there is bone degeneration at the root of the problem, the connection

between spinal vertebrate degeneration is well established, and has been

given rather a lot of attention in the literature. I can, of course, 

supply some citations on request. 



I am not a doctor. 



I hope this is helpful.



Ron Hoggan



===========



In this article:



Cooke WT, Neurologic manifestations of malabsorption. In Handbook of

clinical neurology, volume 28 (metabolic deficiency diseases of the nervous

system, part II), Amsterdam; North Holland Publishing Company, 1976;

225-41.



They discuss the many neurological manifestations that are associated with

coeliac disease, including ataxia, peripheral neuropathy, myelopathy,

myopathy, and dementia. 



========================================



For more information on gluten intolerance this page points to all Net

resources:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Sciatica

From: Rick Sullivan <ricks@sage.ultranet.com>

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:14:58 -0500



Don Wiss wrote:

> 

> On 25 Nov 1996 08:02:54 GMT, tschuler@ptd.net (Timothy J. Schuler) wrote:

> 

> >I too suffer from siatica and would love to hear comments and

> >suggestions as well.

> 

> Here's what I have on my hard disk:

> 

> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 15:00:06 -0700 (MST)

> From: "Ronald Hoggan, Queen Elizabeth High School" <RBHOGGAN@cbe.ab.ca>

> 

> This person may be interested in looking at:

> 1. Hadjivassiliou et. al. "Does cryptic gluten sensitivity play a part in

> neurological illness?" _The Lancet_ 1996; 347:369-371.

> 

> In the article it says they found that 57 percent of those with

> neurological problems of unknown cause also had antibodies to gliadin,

> which is a component of gluten. Sixteen percent of them had coeliac

> disease, a much higher level than normally found.

> 

> and

> 2. Usai, et. al. "Adult Celiac Disease Is Frequently Associated with

> Sacroiliitis" _Digestive Diseases and Sciences_ 1995; 40(9): 1906-1908.

> 

> and

> 3. Ward, et. al. "Celiac disease and spinocerebellar degeneration with

> normal vitamin E status" _Neurology_ 1985; 35: 1199-1201.

> 

> In each of these articles, there is considerable evidence that would

> suggest that testing for celiac disease might be prudent for a person

> suffering from sciatica of an unknown cause. Nerve damage is recently

> being connected to gluten intolerance by a variety of researchers.

> 

> If there is bone degeneration at the root of the problem, the connection

> between spinal vertebrate degeneration is well established, and has been

> given rather a lot of attention in the literature. I can, of course,

> supply some citations on request.

> 

> I am not a doctor.

> 

> I hope this is helpful.

> 

> Ron Hoggan

> 

> ===========

> 

> In this article:

> 

> Cooke WT, Neurologic manifestations of malabsorption. In Handbook of

> clinical neurology, volume 28 (metabolic deficiency diseases of the nervous

> system, part II), Amsterdam; North Holland Publishing Company, 1976;

> 225-41.

> 

> They discuss the many neurological manifestations that are associated with

> coeliac disease, including ataxia, peripheral neuropathy, myelopathy,

> myopathy, and dementia.

> 

> ========================================

> 

> For more information on gluten intolerance this page points to all Net

> resources:

> 

>   The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/

> 

> Don.



Whew,



Very very very interesting to read this.  I've had low back-ache and 

sometimes sciatica for 20 years now; have used with pretty good success 

cayenne/mustard packs (mix cayenne and dry mustard with hot water and 

smear on washcloth, fold cloth and massage).  But about 6 months ago I 

realized I'm lactose intolerant, and the backache is much better since I 

stopped eating dairy!  Not 100%, but I'd say 80% anyway.  Also had good 

luck with a chiropractor and with the Alexander technique, which you can 

look up in the library - it teaches you how to use correct posture as 

you go through your various activities of the day, and shows you where 

the pitfalls are (like bad positioning of the body when brushing teeth, 

drying hair etc....).  Also, hit the gym, talk to the best teachers you 

can find and do some weight training.  Strengthening the abs and upper 

bod, when combined with proper postural habits and elimination of any 

allergy foods sure have helped me!



Good luck,



Patty





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Sciatica

From: UXGA95A@prodigy.com (Steve Krieger)

Date: 25 Nov 1996 17:04:26 GMT



TO: tschuler@ptd.net 

SUBJECT: Re: Help with Sciatica 

Hi,

Herbally speaking, you might want to look into St. John's Wort which 

reduces nerve pain.  Read up on it, though, because it sometimes creates 

sun-sentivity when taken over a long period of time.



Other herbs that seem to help some people with neuralgia include black 

cohosh, which is an antispasmodic which herbalists often recommend for 

nerve pain and scullcap (don't be put off by the name, it describes the 

shape of the seeds that form after the plant has flowered) because, 

according to Master Herbalist Lesley Tierra, in her book THE HERBS OF 

LIFE, "it quiets the entire nervous system while being essentiall non-

toxic.



Be aware that this information is for your edification only.  It is not 

meant to replace the care of your health practitioner.  Also, although 

herbs are natural, some people do have poor reactions to some herbs, even 

those that are considered virtually safe for everybody, so always start 

with a very small dose.  I recommend the book here mentioned, and also 

David Hoffman' THE HERBAL HANDBOOK, if you're interested.  e-mail me for 

more info.  I am an herbalist and a holistic counselor.  



Also try meditation, deep breathing.  If the neuralgia occurs with stress,

 see if somebody can teach you healthy effective ways to destress your 

body.  Try Dr. Andrew Weill's web page.



Good Luck

In health and friendship,

Elchai  UXGA95A@prodigy.com

http://pages.prodigy.com/flute/herbs.htm 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help with Sciatica

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 03:21:48 GMT



On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:59:11 GMT, jdist@mindspring.com (Feona ) wrote:



>How would a person avoid gluten?   Don't eat bread?



That's a start. Bread is the highest in gluten, but the protein is found in

all wheat, and also in lesser quantity in rye, barley, oats, spelt,

triticale, kamut and bulgur and all foodstuffs containing one of these

grains, including many food chemicals like hydrolyzed vegetable protein

(called "flavorings" or "natural flavors" in the ingredient list).



The following are gluten-free and can be milled into flour: amaranth,

buckwheat (or kasha), chickpeas (garbanzos), corn/maize, Job's tears (Hato

Mugi, Juno's Tears, River Grain), lentils, millet, peas, poi, potato,

quinoa, ragi, rice, sorghum, soy, tapioca, teff, and wild rice.



Much more info is available to download from the mailing list. The

gluten-free list is at LISTSERV@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU. The FAQ can be obtained

by putting GET CELIAC FAQ in the body of a message to the list server. Even

more info is available if GET NEWCEL PACKAGE is included. Other documents

also exist, send GET CELIAC FILELIST. To join, send a message to the

listserv with the following in the body: SUB CELIAC your name. The mailing

list is also mirrored at bit.listserv.celiac, but you can't post unless you

subscribe and set to NOMAIL.



And this web page has annotated links to all sites on this subject,

including a link to the site that has all the archives of the above:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for removing kidney stone, gallstone......

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard)

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 20:33:43 GMT



Chinese herbal patents formulas for removing kidney's stones:

- Shi Lin Tong (in chinese Shi Lin Tong Pian)

- Specific Drug Passwan (in chinese Te Xiao Pai Shi Wan)



Chinese herbal patents formulas for removing gallstones:

- Shi Lin Tong (in chinese Shi Lin Tong Pian)

- Lidan Tablets (in chinese Li Dan Pian)

- Lidian Paishi Tablets (in chinese Li Dan Pai Shi Pian) [PROHIBITED during pregnancy]

- Li Gan Pian Liver Strenghtening Tablets (in chinese Li Gan Pian)



For more informations about the uses of these formulas consult a chinese herbalist.

Formulas available in chinese herbs stores.



I hope this helps,



Richard









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help!  INFO NEEDED!

From: sue@jumppoint.com (Suzy)

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 21:56:35 GMT



Hi Everyone.  I need some info on herbs/suppliments that might help my

health problems.  I belive in using more natural methods but did try

some of the modern medicine stuff.  But I've had so much of that mod

med since I was born that I'm now allergic to many many drugs or they

have no effect.  I'm allergic to ASA, fexaril, flexadril, naproxin, co

trimoxazole, all penicillin products, tetracyclin, erythromycin,

toradol(ketotoralic?), and many others.  I'm allergic to some over the

counter drugs such as:  a535, heat, liquid ice, etc(they cause me

severe chemical burns).  Here's a description of what is wrong with me

if you know anything that will help please let me know!  I'm on

temporary disability (basically works out here as being the same as

welfare) but will be going to perminant disability(gain/pension) after

january when I see the specialist and she fills out the paperwork.



*Severe Fibromyalgia

*Severe Chronic Pain Syndrome

*Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

*Seasonal Depression

*Depression (I don't usually have depression... but lately its been

quite bad)

*asthma

*sinitus/rhinitus (and deviated septum)

*aneimia (I'm a strawberry blonde and have always had this problem)

*poor immunity (as a kid my parents said some test showed my white

cells were produced oddly and while alot of them were being produced

it wasn't really helping my immunity as the cells were

defective..<shrug>)

*TMJ

*carpell tunnel and tendonitis

*improperly formed cartilage in my wrists and ankles(more noticalbe in

my wrists)

*Osteo Arhtritis (more pronounced in my lower spine, but I'm pretty

sure its system wide... it was diagnosed about 4 yrs ago)

*rheumatoid arthritis (diagnosed when I was 11)

*mild to moderate s curve scoliosis that also twists(worst twisting

area is my neak)

*sciatica (diagnosed when I was 15... fairly severe)

*nerve damage to my spine (from a 20 ft fall flat on my back when I

was 13... didn't break anything but shure as heck hurt...)

*nerve damage to my left leg(I got hit by a car and it didn't break

bones but did rip mucles/damage nerves and compact my bones in my foot

together)

*nerve damage to my left hand (from a weight lifting accident... makes

my hand and arm weaker especially in cold)

*poor circulation (they said something about my veins, etc being odd

at birth but my heart has been tested and is ok)

*chest pains(again my heart was tested and is ok)

*Irritable bowel syndrome (and gastro reflux of the stomache up the

esophegus)

*mild incontinence (for the past 3 yrs... not sure if its associated

with my sons difficult birth)

*High functioning Autism/Aspgerger's syndrome

*Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (mild to moderate)

*adjustement disorder (has to do with my ex's abuse of me for the 7

yrs we were married.)

*Sensory sensitivity

*visual snow

*sensitivity to natural light (causes headaches, tiredness, etc)

*poor tolerance to temperature change

*insomnia

*nightmares

*food allergies(milk products if not cooked, wheat, egg white, corn,

food additives, and dyes.)

*allergies to environment/etc (dyes, angora, wool, most grasses, pine

trees, pollen, dust, some shampoos/soaps, some perfumes, and mould).

*dizzy spells

*spells of severe nausea

*headaches

*nightmares

*severe swelling (not water retention related as water pills don't

help). 

*eczema

*frequent split hairs, and some mild hair losss

*acne (stress related?)

*bruises easily

*motorly clumsy

*panic attacks



If anyone knows anything that might help I'd really appreaciate it.  I

want to see my doc this week about a special diet/suppliments/herbal

remidies.  And I plan on seeing my worker soon to so I can get

approval to go on thease as soon as possible as I'm so sick and its

just unbelivebly frustrating... I also have a son who is multiply

handicaped (he's 4 yrs 9 months, has severe beahvioural problems too

and is a big strong little kid... at 4ft, 50 lb, wearing size 8 cloths

and 2 shoes).  I live alone but do have a boyfriend <g> for about 1

1/2 yrs now... I've been seperated for 2 yrs... and so far my ex has

obducted me once, threatened my life a few times, ignored restraining

orders, interfered with interventions for my kids (since he wasn't

abusive of the kids (they just got to watch...<sigh>) he got custody

of my daughter who is almost 7), etc...  Please help me find

somethings that might help my health.  Thanks...



Suzy

(aka Balhiir on undernet)



Home page:  http://www.geocities.com/athens/4773









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info on DHEA

From: mjones@hp7201.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Mark Jones)

Date: 11 Nov 1996 22:02:19 GMT



It's not exactly and herb, but it falls within

the domain of alternative medicine, I think, maybe.

Anyway, a friend of mien has started taking DHEA,

and I would like to do some research on it.



If you know of articles, both popular and technical,

please send me references.



Thanks!



Mark

mjones@auscsmp.sps.mot.com







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Info on DHEA

From: italialu@aol.com

Date: 12 Nov 1996 01:13:37 GMT



I have heard on various occasions that DHEA should not be taken by people

under 30.  Is that true?  I have conflicting reports on the issue and

can't figure it out.  Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Info on DHEA

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 03:23:03 GMT



mjones@hp7201.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Mark Jones) spoke with these

words:



>It's not exactly and herb, but it falls within

>the domain of alternative medicine, I think, maybe.

>Anyway, a friend of mien has started taking DHEA,

>and I would like to do some research on it.



>If you know of articles, both popular and technical,

>please send me references.

>Thanks!

>Mark

>mjones@auscsmp.sps.mot.com

T.V. last nite had something about this...it seems a woman who took it

for a 6 month trial study did not feel any sense of well-being, and

her hdl..the good cholesterol..isn't up to normal after two years of

being off it. This woman is 56, and very active, and watches what she

eats...she is not some person who doesn't know her body.











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Anti-Mainstream Media Health Article

From: "Greg Parsons" <nutriman@tyler.net>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:06:18 -0800



Read this eye-opening article on health that the Mainstream Media 

refuses to publish.  Receive a free summary of the US Senate Document

exposed and discussed.



Go to the URL address listed below:

-- 

Greg Parsons

nutriman@tyler.net

http://www.pageboyz.com/ahr/article.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anti-Mainstream Media Health Article

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:53:25 GMT



>Read this eye-opening article on health that the Mainstream Media 

>refuses to publish.  Receive a free summary of the US Senate Document

>exposed and discussed.

>Greg Parsons

>Read this eye-opening article on health that the Mainstream Media 

>refuses to publish.  Receive a free summary of the US Senate Document

>exposed and discussed.

>Greg Parsons



Of course, cloak and dagger! The bigger our population gets, the

stronger people need to be trained like sheep. Fortunately a few like

ourselves can still help a few that wants to know or is tired of all

the hindsight. Hard being a good guy though.

There is an organization that you might want to write to. They very

strongly believe in helping the people that want to be helped.

*** NATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION

212 W. FOOTHILL BLVD

P.O. BOX 688

MONROVIA, CA. 91016



There is an old saying that sort of fits this mainstream thing;

"It is easier for a king to have a lie believed than to have a begger

to spread the truth."



 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: lithium alternative?

From: "MEPayne" <mpayne1@co.tds.net>

Date: 11 Nov 1996 23:14:29 GMT



Has anyone ever heard of an alternative (such as herbs, vitamins, etc.) to

replace lithium as treatment for bipolar disorder? I'm not having much luck

reseaching this. Thanx. 









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lithium alternative?

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:18:21 -0600







On 11 Nov 1996, MEPayne wrote:



> Has anyone ever heard of an alternative (such as herbs, vitamins, etc.) to

> replace lithium as treatment for bipolar disorder? I'm not having much luck

> reseaching this. Thanx. 

> 

> 

> 

> 

When my daughter decided to quit lithium, she was able to maintain on 

exercise and diet. There isn't much research - she did a lot of 

experimenting and adjusting to fit the cycle. 



She also relys on her "network" to tell her when she is becoming manic or 

depressed - and she adjusts accordingly.



It isn't easy, and she doesn't always catch a cycle in time - but with 

some help she has managed for over 4 years (and 2.5 pregnancies). 



Cissy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lithium alternative?

From: "Hector R. del Valle" <"hecyes@ix.netcom.com"@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:08:58 -0800



> 

> On 11 Nov 1996, MEPayne wrote:

> 

> > Has anyone ever heard of an alternative (such as herbs, vitamins, etc.) to

> > replace lithium as treatment for bipolar disorder? I'm not having much luck

> > reseaching this. Thanx.

> >

> >I was told that Perrier water contains small amounts of lithium. The lithium is 

found naturally in the water source. You will have to drink at least 3 bottles per 

day to get the results. Good luck..If it works let me know..





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lithium alternative?

From: ravel@cycor.ca (Syd Baumel)

Date: 12 Nov 96 17:41:51 -600



>Has anyone ever heard of an alternative (such as herbs, vitamins, etc.) to

>replace lithium as treatment for bipolar disorder? I'm not having much luck

>reseaching this. Thanx.



Please check out my reply to Rich: "Re: Newbie would like advice on

depression."  (That post has attracted advice from not one, but TWO Syds --

and we're not even related <g>.)



Syd



Syd Baumel

author of Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing, 1995,

1-800-858-7014, http://www.keats.com)







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: lithium alternative?

From: dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC)

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 03:57:18



Re: lithium alternative?

 

> Has anyone ever heard of an alternative (such as herbs, vitamins, etc.) to

> replace lithium as treatment for bipolar disorder? I'm not having much luck

> reseaching this. Thanx. 



Offhand, I know that KELP has lithium in trace amounts, but other than that,

no. ;(



Silverlake Computer Services Public Access BBS - (619) 224-1264







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lithium alternative?

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 96 02:41:19 GMT



In article <8699@alexus.cts.com>, dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC) wrote:

>Re: lithium alternative?

> 

>> Has anyone ever heard of an alternative (such as herbs, vitamins, etc.) to

>> replace lithium as treatment for bipolar disorder? I'm not having much luck

>> reseaching this. Thanx. 

>

>Offhand, I know that KELP has lithium in trace amounts, but other than that,

>no. ;(

>

>Silverlake Computer Services Public Access BBS - (619) 224-1264

>

You might try carrying around a lepidoloite stone.They emit lithium in small 

amounts.

Barbara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lithium alternative?

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 16 Nov 1996 19:42:58 GMT



According to "Healing Depression Naturally" by Syd Baumel, lithium

naturally occurs in such mineral waters as Knazmilos, Vichy St. Yorre

Royal, and Original Saratoga Geiser.  However, he does suggest that the

antidepressant effects may stem from the waters' high concentrations of

magnesium, calcium and rubidium.



Look for orthomolecular literature as well.  There have been some studies

done about using lower dosages of lithium combined with nutritional

therapies.  



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstores, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lithium alternative?

From: ravel@cycor.ca (Syd Baumel)

Date: 19 Nov 96 18:45:37 -600



>According to "Healing Depression Naturally" by Syd Baumel, lithium

>naturally occurs in such mineral waters as Knazmilos, Vichy St. Yorre

>Royal, and Original Saratoga Geiser.  However, he does suggest that the

>antidepressant effects may stem from the waters' high concentrations of

>magnesium, calcium and rubidium.



>Look for orthomolecular literature as well.  There have been some studies

>done about using lower dosages of lithium combined with nutritional

>therapies.



>Regards,

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstores, Seattle, WA

>e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

>http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



Thanks for that unsolicited promo, Rosemary <g>.  A few months ago, my

publisher forwarded a letter to me from a reader of my book who wanted to know

where she could obtain those brands of mineral water.  Lithium hadn't

agreed with her, and she was hoping that these waters might be an alternative

for her.  I thought I'd quote what I wrote to her:



....I wish I could help you locate those lithium-rich mineral waters.  The

best I've been able to do is search the World Wide Web, but I've come up

blank.  Perhaps you'd have better luck if you were to phone a big health food

store or a specialty bottled water store in a big city.  Even so, you have to

bear in mind that even these exceptionally lithium-rich waters have no more

than 4 or 5 mg of lithium per litre (equivalent, I believe, to about 25 mg of

lithium carbonate, but still this is very low).  This may be enough to have

some preventative mood-regulating effect on some people, but I wouldn't count

on it as an acute therapy, unless perhaps you were to drink many litres a day

-- but then you might get an overdose of fluoride and/or sodium from some of

these waters!  The same limitations would likely apply for the levels of

magnesium and perhaps other mood-regulating minerals (rubidium?) in these

waters.  A more practical approach might be to experiment cautiously with

standard mineral supplements, especially magnesium as discussed in my book,

and to consider requesting a "lithium-lite" prescription from your doctor,

assuming lithium has been of some benefit to you in the past and hasn't just

given you side effects (remember: too much lithium can dampen your thyroid

gland, leading to fatigue and depression, unless you cut down or take a

thyroid hormone supplement)....



Syd



Syd Baumel

author of Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing, 1995,

1-800-858-7014, http://www.keats.com)



"Disclaimer": Not a doctor, just a writer.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lithium alternative?

From: torrey@hooked.net (Torrey Peacock)

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 08:59:04 GMT



On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 03:57:18, dol@alexus.cts.com (D'OL NERIC) wrote:



>Re: lithium alternative?

> 

>> Has anyone ever heard of an alternative (such as herbs, vitamins, etc.) to

>> replace lithium as treatment for bipolar disorder? I'm not having much luck

>> reseaching this. Thanx. 



I have seen lithium supplements in natural food stores, in a less

toxic form than that which is usually prescribed.  Sorry, don't have

details on availability, but I would check with a local health shop

and see if they can order it for you.  Also, the herbal extract of St.

John's Wort has proven *quite* efffective as a natural

anti-depressant.  There's a good bit of research on this which has

been published in the European medical journals, where it has proven

to be at least as effective as drugs like imipramine, but without the

side-effects.  Not sure if it would help with manic conditions, but

FWIW, could be something to explore.



Torrey









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Fibroids

From: italialu@aol.com

Date: 12 Nov 1996 01:15:19 GMT



Are there any herbs to help eliminate fibroids?  It is so painful that now

it is causing PMS symptoms during my mid-cycle.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Fibroids

From: delphine@mail.utexas.edu (Delphine)

Date: 13 Nov 1996 22:41:15 GMT



In article <19961112011700.UAA12834@ladder01.news.aol.com>, italialu@aol.com 

says...

>

>Are there any herbs to help eliminate fibroids?  It is so painful that now

>it is causing PMS symptoms during my mid-cycle.



Echinacea.  Two weeks on, Two weeks off.  Also, think about your caffeine 

intake: if you consume a great deal, consider cutting back & taking vitamin E 

to help your body process the caffeine better







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Fibroids

From: kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 06:11:26 GMT



In article <19961112011700.UAA12834@ladder01.news.aol.com>, italialu@aol.com writes:

>Are there any herbs to help eliminate fibroids?  It is so painful that now

>it is causing PMS symptoms during my mid-cycle.



Uterine fibroids or breast fibroids?



Kellie







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Fibroids

From: italialu@aol.com

Date: 15 Nov 1996 00:47:07 GMT



Forgot there were breast fibroids; however, I meant Uterine.  Thanks for

clearing that up Kellie.



Luciana





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: kava kava kwestion

From: goodrick@bcm.tmc.edu (Ken Goodrick)

Date: 12 Nov 1996 01:46:01 GMT



I would like to hear from those who have experienced some 

psychotropic/relaxation effect from kava kava tea.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kava kava kwestion

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:15:52 -0500



In article <568ksp$712@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, goodrick@bcm.tmc.edu (Ken

Goodrick) wrote:



> I would like to hear from those who have experienced some 

> psychotropic/relaxation effect from kava kava tea.



We use a kava kava/ mugwort combo tincture to help dream and remember

them. This combination works great. No side effects yet but we do take

breaks from it for a week at a time. Kava Kava tea will help you sleep and

give you epic length dreams during a nap. The mugwort helps you remember

them. A lot of people have trouble remembering their dreams. I have quite

a few people on this and they love it. It is so important to some people

that they remember their dreams. Try the Kava Kava tea and Enjoy!

Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kava kava kwestion

From: robnbrwn@gnn.com (Robin Brown)

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:51:23





In article <tm-1611960915520001@pm4_10.digital.net> tm wrote:

>In article <568ksp$712@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, goodrick@bcm.tmc.edu (Ken

>Goodrick) wrote:

>

>> I would like to hear from those who have experienced some 

>> psychotropic/relaxation effect from kava kava tea.

>

>We use a kava kava/ mugwort combo tincture to help dream and remember

>them. This combination works great. No side effects yet but we do take

>breaks from it for a week at a time. Kava Kava tea will help you sleep and

>give you epic length dreams during a nap. The mugwort helps you remember

>them. A lot of people have trouble remembering their dreams. I have quite

>a few people on this and they love it. It is so important to some people

>that they remember their dreams. Try the Kava Kava tea and Enjoy!

>Catherine

>

>-- 

>Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

>407-729-0104

>tm@digital.net



I thought Kava was used as a muscle (only) relaxant because it *wouldn't* 

make you drowsy?

Robin







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kava kava kwestion

From: torrey@hooked.net (Torrey Peacock)

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:24:11 GMT



>In article <568ksp$712@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, goodrick@bcm.tmc.edu (Ken

>Goodrick) wrote:

>

>> I would like to hear from those who have experienced some 

>> psychotropic/relaxation effect from kava kava tea.



I haven't tried kava kava as a tea, but I'm quite fond of the liquid

extract.  A few dropperfulls gives a very pleasant euphoric "high"

without any noticeable side-effects.  It is *not* sedating, and does

not seem to impair cognitive functioning at all.  I've tried a number

of brands, and especially liked those from Herb Pharm and  Gaia Herbs.



Torrey









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kava kava kwestion

From: jontrigo@aol.com

Date: 28 Nov 1996 08:39:02 GMT



I use it to relax.  It works great without giving you that drowsey

feeling.  Just sort of like you've been relaxing at the beach all day,

instead of in traffic on H1 for 2 hours.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Natural Moisturizer

From: Greg <gregs@gold-link.com>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:10:46 -0500



I need a natural moisturizer to combat the effects of my acne

medications on my dry skin.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Natural pain & stress relief

From: Barry Thompson <rivendell@iig.com.au>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:21:25 +1000



Found an interesting Australian site on the web - all about

natural pain & stress relief, Neem oil and oxygen therapy.

http://www.iig.com.au/artyfract/rainbow.htm









Barry Thompson <rivendell@iig.com.au>









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Growing Herbs

From: talc@deeptht.armory.com

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:01:22 -0600



Hello,



I am an Israeli and grow herbs for export, I am new to the herbs bussiness

and looking for information which will help me be a better grower of herbs.



I am looking mainly for information about how to prevent all kind of disease

etc...



I anyone can guide me, or send me to some place (www) which will help me

I will be thanksful.





Thanks in Advance,

Tal Cohen.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs for tonsilitus

From: "Peter and Sallyann Van Leeuwen" <sallyann@tangnt.com.au>

Date: 12 Nov 1996 06:10:48 GMT



Hi 



I'm a sufferer of tonsilitus and l am fed up with the antibiotics.  A

couple of months ago l counted that l was on pills 25 days out of 31!!  Can

anyone help me with an alternative?  Apart from getting my tonsils out, l

mean!



Thanks



Sallyann





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for tonsilitus

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard)

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:02:29 GMT



"Peter and Sallyann Van Leeuwen" <sallyann@tangnt.com.au> wrote:



>Hi 



>I'm a sufferer of tonsilitus and l am fed up with the antibiotics.  A

>couple of months ago l counted that l was on pills 25 days out of 31!!  Can

>anyone help me with an alternative?  Apart from getting my tonsils out, l

>mean!



>Thanks



>Sallyann



Hi Sallyann,



Maybe you can try one of these chinese herbal formulas:

- Laryngitis Pills (in chinese Hou Yan Wan) in small box of 3 vials

- Lu Shen Wan (in chinese Liu Shen Wan) in bottle of 100 small pills

CAUTION: prohibited during pregnancy.

Available in any chinese herbs stores.



I hope this helps,



Richard







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for tonsilitus

From: jiastar@aol.com

Date: 13 Nov 1996 01:12:49 GMT



honestly -- yr best course of action might be removal.. i sufferred fr

tonsilitis for most of my life (no exaggeration) until i was 17 when my

tonsils became permanently swollen to about 3 xs normal size...I have

never missed them and can honestly say 10 yrs later that i suffer fr many

fewer upper respiratory illnesses



if u are adamant about avoiding surgery....try boosting yr own immunity w/

vitamins and herbs.... a good book is Prescription for Nutritional Healing

eat lots of garlic tk garlic poills... lots of Vit C plently of

fluids.....red clover tea is a good blood purifier (b careful tho if u

suffer fr hayfever) visualize blue light in yr throat area several times a

day --- gargle with warm water and sea salt (unless of course u are

allergic to shellfish or iodine then use a salt w/o the iodine)



to soothe use honey and lemon juice warmed together and if u are of age a

bit of brandy or whisky added in will help to cauterize the area



hope it helps....



happy healing

Jia Starsong





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for tonsilitus

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 12 Nov 1996 17:58:01 -0700



"Peter and Sallyann Van Leeuwen" <sallyann@tangnt.com.au> wrote:



>I'm a sufferer of tonsilitus and l am fed up with the antibiotics.  A

>couple of months ago l counted that l was on pills 25 days out of 31!!  Can

>anyone help me with an alternative?  

  Any herbal remedy will mean you are on pills for a month or so.

what's the difference?



>Apart from getting my tonsils out, l mean!



  In the case of chronic infections, surgery is usually the only

cure.  Repeated infections leave areas where the bacteria can

hide out from the body defenses.  



Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for tonsilitus

From: infinitea@olywa.net (Lisa Hayes, Herbalist Extraorindaire)

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:28:33 GMT



"Peter and Sallyann Van Leeuwen" <sallyann@tangnt.com.au> wrote:



>Hi 



>I'm a sufferer of tonsilitus and l am fed up with the antibiotics.  A

>couple of months ago l counted that l was on pills 25 days out of 31!!  Can

>anyone help me with an alternative?  Apart from getting my tonsils out, l

>mean!



>Thanks



>Sallyann



I am sure that many people have relied to this posting with

suggestions about using echinecia to replace anti-boitics.  This is a

very good alternative.  Many echinecia or echineacia/goldenseal

tinctures are readilly available on the market.



I also used to suffer from non stop bouts with tonsilitis.  At the

first hint that the infection is coming on try taking raw garlic, lots

of it.  You can chop it into pieces and swallow it like pills.  Take

at least 4 cloves a day for a week when you think you're tonsils are

begining to act up.



Tonsilitis can be be brought on or aggrovated by lots of things,

including allergies and viral infections.  Garlic has anti-bacterial,

anti-fungal, and anti-viral properties and can hit the illness at the

root of the problem.  Although it may not be a very pleasant remedy,

you'll be amazed how effective it is if you are willing to follow

through.



Good Luck!





Lisa Hayes		888-956-4TEA

INFINTIEA@aol.com	http://www.webelegance.com/infinitea



"You're life, you're health, you're choices..."













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Childhood Excema

From: imports@netbistro.com (imports)

Date: 12 Nov 1996 07:24:48 GMT



I would really appreciate hearing from anyone who knows

anything about childhood excema.  I have a little girl who

has excema so bad on her feet that her feet bleed.  The

cracks in her feet are often half an inch deep.  We have

tried cortizone cream, and lanoline.  I do not allow her to

wear coloured socks, or sneakers.  I think some sort of

change in her diet may be helpful, but I do not know exactly

what to change.



Please send any info you may have to 

imports@netbistro.com



Thank-you.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Childhood Excema

From: Ara Mekhsian <ara@pitnet.net>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:17:08 -0600



imports wrote:

> 

> I would really appreciate hearing from anyone who knows

> anything about childhood excema.  I have a little girl who

> has excema so bad on her feet that her feet bleed.  The

> cracks in her feet are often half an inch deep.  We have

> tried cortizone cream, and lanoline.  I do not allow her to

> wear coloured socks, or sneakers.  I think some sort of

> change in her diet may be helpful, but I do not know exactly

> what to change.

> 

> Please send any info you may have to

> imports@netbistro.com

> 

> Thank-you.





I remember when my son was about a year old, he had a patch on his face.

The only thing I found to work was a tube of zinc oxide.  You can get it

at any pharmacy.  It may look a little redder for a day or so but then

it gets better.



Make sure he doesn't sleep in his socks or worse yet those blanket

sleepers with the vinyl feet.



Good luck,



Deb M.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: ara@pitnet.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Childhood Excema

From: Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:36:41 -0800



> imports wrote:

> >

> > I would really appreciate hearing from anyone who knows

> > anything about childhood excema.  I have a little girl who

> > has excema so bad on her feet that her feet bleed.  The

> > cracks in her feet are often half an inch deep.  We have

> > tried cortizone cream, and lanoline.  I do not allow her to

> > wear coloured socks, or sneakers.  I think some sort of

> > change in her diet may be helpful, but I do not know exactly

> > what to change.



I got the following from http://www.mothernature.com hope it helps

some...also, do a web search for eczema herb remedy and you should find

other stuff.





Facts from Earl Mindell's, Herb Bible:



Facts: One of the oldest recorded remedies, goldenseal is a

broad-spectrum herb that is still

extremely popular. Discovered by the aborigines of northern Australia,

goldenseal grows freely in the

eastern United States and is being cultivated in the West. Long before

antibiotics, prepaations from

this versatile plant were used as a treatment for gonorrhea and

syphilis. Today, goldenseal is used to

treat symptoms of colds and flu, as well as congestion due to

inflammation of the muccous

membranes. It is also an excellant laxative and can reduce irritation

due to hemorrhoids. This herb is

routinely used for female complaints such as vaginitis. a douche of

goldenseal can help relieve fungal

infection such as candida. Rubbed on the skin, goldenseal tea is a folk

remedy for skin ailments

including eczema, ringworm, and other inflammations. Used externally, it

is an excellant antiseptic

and can also soothe irritated gums and canker sores. Combined with

myrrh, goldenseal has been

used to treat stomach ulcers. 



Caution: This herb can raise blood pressure and should not be used by

anyone with a history of

high blood pressure. Do not use during pregnancy. Do not use for more

than two weeks at a time.

Eating the fresh plant can cause inflammation of the mucous tissue.



Part Used: Root



Common Use: Tonic, anticatarrhal, stomachic, bitter; Astringent, action,

used with respiratory tract,

excessive menstruation. Used topically, antibiotic, medicinal,

properties for insect bites, eczema and

ringworm.



Contraindication: Not to be used during pregnancy. 



Dosage: 5-10 drops.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Childhood Excema

From: Betty Fleet <edfleet@nbnet.nb.ca>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:56:27 -0400



I have an acquaintannce whose daughter from birth to age 4 was covered 

in oozing exczema.  She did not approve of cortisone ointments, etc, and 

eventually "cured" the problem with oral zinc supplements, 30 mg per day 

if I recall correctly.  In about a month the child's skin was clear, and 

remained so unless the zinc was stopped.  I think the dosage may have 

been reduced after the symptoms disappeared.



Perhaps someone can relate to a similar experience.



Betty









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Butchers Broom Info???

From: lachs@icanect.net (Harold Lachs)

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:35:35 -0500



I am interested in the use of butchers broom for increasing peripheral

circulation. Can anyone tell me what else BB is used for? Most

importantly, would it be advisable to use this herb every day or only

periodically? 



Thanks for any info!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Butchers Broom Info???

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard)

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:02:33 GMT



lachs@icanect.net (Harold Lachs) wrote:



>I am interested in the use of butchers broom for increasing peripheral

>circulation. Can anyone tell me what else BB is used for? Most

>importantly, would it be advisable to use this herb every day or only

>periodically? 



>Thanks for any info!



Quotes from the book The Way of Herbs (Michael Tierra):

<<Butcher's Broom (Ruscus Aculeatus) is primalery used as an anti-inflammatory upon the

vascular system, easing venous circulation through the body, especially the limbs. Thus it

is effective for arthritic, rheumatic, and hemorrhoidal pains. For the latter purpose an

ointment is directly applied to the anorectal area.>>

<<Dose: one half once of the leaves simmered in a pint of water for 20 minutes; of the

tincture 10-20 drops.>>



I hope this helps,



Richard







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE:soy for hot flashes

From: solodoc@aol.com

Date: 12 Nov 1996 14:17:11 GMT



Soy and other compounds contain "phytoestrogens" which are chemicaly

related to the hormaones in Premarin etc. These compounds are Estriols

rather than estradiol and reportedly have most of the beneficial effects

of traditional hormone replacemnt therapy without the proliferative

(cancer causing) effects. Human studies are lacking and not likely to be

done as these products cannot be patented. 

Personally, I favor the formula if phystoestrogens in a product called

Global Woman Ultimate formula. This includes not oly soy but balck cohash,

co-enzyme Q, vegetable bleed extract, boroon, vanadium and other vitamins.

If you are interested, E Mail me at SoloDoc@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: soy for hot flashes

From: kestevens2@aol.com

Date: 12 Nov 1996 18:39:42 GMT



In article <19961112141900.JAA25360@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

solodoc@aol.com writes:



>Soy and other compounds contain "phytoestrogens" which are chemicaly

>related to the hormaones in Premarin etc. These compounds are Estriols

>rather than estradiol and reportedly have most of the beneficial effects

>of traditional hormone replacemnt therapy without the proliferative

>(cancer causing) effects. Human studies are lacking and not likely to be

>done as these products cannot be patented. 



Funny you should say that. Take a look at the article I found on November

10:



      By DANIEL Q. HANEY

      AP Medical Editor

      NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- Eat tofu for hot flashes? The idea is not as

weird as it sounds.

      At the American Heart Association's annual scientific meeting

Sunday, researchers discussed the growing evidence that soybean

protein -- commonly found in tofu -- may indeed relieve the miseries

of the change of life.

      Dr. Gregory L. Burke of Bowman Gray School of Medicine in

Winston-Salem, N.C., outlined the results of an experiment into

soy's effects on menopause.

      The study involved 43 women between ages 45 and 55 who suffered

at least one bout of hot flashes or night sweating daily. For six

weeks, they worked 20 grams of powdered soy protein into their

diets, mixing it with their orange juice or sprinkling it on their

cereal. For another six weeks, they did the same with powered

carbohydrate. No one knew until the end of the experiment which

they were eating.

      The women reported significantly less intense symptoms while

using the soy protein, although they occurred just as frequently.

      Burke plans another study, involving 240 women, in which larger

doses of soy will be tried. Another study, conducted recently at

the University of Manchester in England, suggests this can reduce

the frequency of hot flashes, as well.

      Experts believe the key ingredient of soy protein is

phytoestrogen -- the plant form of the female hormone estrogen.

      Human estrogen is widely used to relieve the effects of

menopause, although some women are reluctant to take it because of

side effects.

      Laboratory studies suggest that soy estrogen acts on the same

chemical targets in the body that human estrogen affects, although

it is 1,000 times less potent.

      Doctors have other reasons to think that soy might be a

treatment for menopausal symptoms. One is the rarity of these

problems in Asian countries, where the soy bean is common. Indeed,

Burke said there is no phrase in Japanese for ``hot flash.''

      Both heart disease and breast cancer are four times more common

in the United States as in Japan, and the risk of uterine cancer is

40 percent higher.

      Of course, there are many differences between Japanese and U.S.

women, including their genetic make up and their tendency to be

obese. However, one clear difference is diet, especially the

frequency of soy foods rich in phytoestrogen.

      Burke said the typical Japanese diet includes 50 milligrams of

phytoestrogen a day. In his hot flash study, women took 34

milligrams a day. In the larger study to be conducted, this will

increase to 68 milligrams.

      If these studies prove health benefits of soy, one challenge

will be to fix them in a ``more Western-tolerable way,'' he said,

perhaps by using them as tasteless fillers in otherwise familiar

foods.

      Nevertheless, he said, ``It's prudent to recommend that folks

consume more soy in their diets.''

      The heart association's nutrition committee, which draws up

widely followed eating guidelines, is not ready to recommend that

Americans start eating tofu burgers and drinking soy milk. But it's

watching the fast-moving soybean research closely and will change

them to include more soy if the findings show that's a good idea.

      ``I think we are on a pretty fast track here,'' said Dr. Ronald

Krause of the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory at the University of

California, the committee's head.



 /\ _ /\

( * ^ * )          KAT

(__|__)~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: solodoc@aol.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: soy for hot flashes

From: Luke Kandia <lkandia@cgc.ca>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:42:09 -0600



I'm not sure if this is close to the topic that you're speaking about,

but I thought I'd try anyways...



A while back, a certain Dr. Dean Nadel? did a small 1-2 minute blurb on

tv that our local broadcaster always picks up...on soy formulas. 

Apparently there are levels of hormones, possibly deleterious to

infant's health?  Do you know anything about this?



Luke

lkandia@cgc.ca





solodoc@aol.com wrote:

> 

> Soy and other compounds contain "phytoestrogens" which are chemicaly

> related to the hormaones in Premarin etc. These compounds are Estriols

> rather than estradiol and reportedly have most of the beneficial effects

> of traditional hormone replacemnt therapy without the proliferative

> (cancer causing) effects. Human studies are lacking and not likely to be

> done as these products cannot be patented.

> Personally, I favor the formula if phystoestrogens in a product called

> Global Woman Ultimate formula. This includes not oly soy but balck cohash,

> co-enzyme Q, vegetable bleed extract, boroon, vanadium and other vitamins.

> If you are interested, E Mail me at SoloDoc@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re:Your taking herbs???

From: solodoc@aol.com

Date: 12 Nov 1996 14:30:40 GMT



WOW! as an MD myself I am always humbled by the amount of doctor bashing

that goes on in these groups. I admist that most physicians are unfamiliar

with herbal remedies but not all of us are. I have found them quite

helpful in a variety of situations but often meet resistance from

PATIENTS. "You mean you aren't going to give me a prescription?" I think

there are a vavst number of things out there that are quite helpful but

likely never to be proven- mostly because no-one can patent them. Perhaps

there is some hope from the foreigh literature on this eventually. I do no

belive herbs should be burned, but neither should traditional medicine.

Bothe have thier places.

SoloDoc@aol.com

(Milan Scmidt M.D.)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Echinacea suppliers

From: rob.graham@greatbend.com (Rob Graham)

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 14:40:40 GMT



I'm looking for names, addresses(e-mail and snail mail), phone numbers, etc 

for companies, both American and International, that buy and sell raw 

echinacea.



thank you,



Rob Graham

rob.graham@greatbend.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dreams

From: Rachel Gholson <rgholson@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:52:51 -0330



I apologise if this subject has already been discussed, I haven't 

followed the entire stream of comments. 



I am wondering however if anyone has had an increase in dreams or 

remembering dreams after beginning to use Glade plug in air fresheners. I 

recently began using them...vanilla scent...and have suddenly after years 

of only VERY rarely remebering dreams had several weeks of vibrant and 

memorable dreams.



Just sign me curious,

Rachel



	  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

	Rachel Gholson	  <rgholson@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

The views expressed here are personal and do not necessarily reflect those

of Memorial University of Newfoundland or the Folklore Department of MUN.

	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

	What's the difference between a folklorist and yogurt?

			---living culture







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: SLE

From: Feather_Forestwalker@RedwoodFN.org (Feather Forestwalker)

Date: 12 Nov 1996 19:49:54 GMT



Anyone with any herbal remedies in the cure and/or relief of symptoms of this

auto-immune disorder, please e mail me privately.



Thanks.



Feather Forestwalker





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Skirret?

From: gmcmulle@mail.qb.island.net (Graham and Colette McMullen)

Date: 12 Nov 1996 20:34:56 GMT



Hi, would any of you have an interest in ancient herbs?  Skirrit is a very old 

fashioned type of root veggie. It's  'real' name is sium sisarum.  If anyone 

has any idea where I might find   seeds for this please let me know.  Ritchers 

does not carry this!

Colette





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info On Echinacea

From: johnwitt@pc-doc.com (John Witt)

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 21:20:33 GMT



Could someone give more information on this herb: ie.. its uses as well as any 

side effects, if any.



Thanks, In advance

John Wiit





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Info On Echinacea

From: jiastar@aol.com

Date: 13 Nov 1996 01:07:54 GMT



Echinacea is mainly used to boost the immune system --- it increases the

white blood cell count and thus is useful in treating

infections(bacterial) and cancer... it is not helpful against viral

infections.....



it is best used in cycles - such as 3 wks on 3 wks off so avoid "burn out"



as for side effects I myself and the people i know havent encountered

anything at normal doses --- but b aware just as with any drug or food u

can always b allergic - start off small and work fr there -- get a

relaible herbal and read up on the herb - (Paul Beryl's Master Book of

Herbalism, John Lust's the Herb Book.. and the 2 volume set by Mrs Grieve)



Blessed be

and happy healing

Jia Starsong





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Info On Echinacea

From: lilsheba@teleport.com (Little Sheba)

Date: 15 Nov 1996 14:22:34 GMT



John Witt (johnwitt@pc-doc.com) wrote:

: Could someone give more information on this herb: ie.. its uses as well as any 

: side effects, if any.



: Thanks, In advance

: John Wiit



I'm using it combined with Goldneseal right now to combat a cold and

bronchitis.  It boosts your immune system and helps you heal faster.  It's

to be taken for short periods of time or else it loses it's effectiveness. 



--

Cause I've been running all over creation     Try the new Poco Mailing

Out of my mind                                List -- email for details

Trying to keep our hearts beating together    

All of the time                                * lilsheba@teleport.com *

	Jackson Browne                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Burns

From: solodoc@aol.com

Date: 12 Nov 1996 23:14:18 GMT



Don't forget the use of antioxidants such as E and C, even our local burn

center is recommending them to speed healing and decrease scarring 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Depression / St Johns Wort / http://www.hypericom.com/

From: amottram@cris.com

Date: 13 Nov 1996 00:18:36 GMT



Hi folks,



Found some interesting stories facts and factoids here in the newsgroup which led me to http://www.hypericum.com/



Lots of good information there on Saint Johns Wort, (Hypericum) for depression.  Check it out.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs for menopause

From: TXKR97B@prodigy.com (Sharon Szolnoki)

Date: 13 Nov 1996 03:33:42 GMT



Does anyone know of or have first hand experience with treating the 

symptoms of menopause-particularly mood swings with herbs or homeopathic 

remedies?

-

  TXKR97B@prodigy.com









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for menopause

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard)

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:47:44 GMT



TXKR97B@prodigy.com (Sharon Szolnoki) wrote:



>Does anyone know of or have first hand experience with treating the 

>symptoms of menopause-particularly mood swings with herbs or homeopathic 

>remedies?

>-

>  TXKR97B@prodigy.com



The chinese herbal medicine has these formulas:



- Da Bu Yin Wan : tidal fever, night sweat, lumbago, hot flashes, tinnitus, restlessness,

constant hunger, restless insomnia.



- Chih Pai Di Huang Wan : tinnitus, night sweat, tidal fever, hot flahes, insomnia,

restless sleep.



- Chih Pai Pa Wei Wan : same as Chih Pai Di Huang Wan



- Restorative Pills : fatigue, night sweat, restless insomnia, hot flashes, tidal fever.



Available in chinese herbs stores.



I hope this helps,



Richard









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for menopause

From: "Ellen J. MacKay" <EMacKay@juno.com>

Date: 16 Nov 96 01:50:43 GMT



I have taken Vitex for about 6 months for mood swings and it seems to help

alot.  It is also known as agnus castus or chasteberry.  You should be able

to find it in any health food store or vitamin store although it is an

herb.

-- 

Ellen



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

EMacKay@juno.com



Richard <rreno@quebectel.com> wrote in article

<56fbc7$7m1@news.quebectel.com>...

> TXKR97B@prodigy.com (Sharon Szolnoki) wrote:

> 

> >Does anyone know of or have first hand experience with treating the 

> >symptoms of menopause-particularly mood swings with herbs or homeopathic



> >remedies?

> >-







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for menopause

From: pdsd@ultranet.ca

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:36:04 GMT



TXKR97B@prodigy.com (Sharon Szolnoki) wrote:



>Does anyone know of or have first hand experience with treating the 

>symptoms of menopause-particularly mood swings with herbs or homeopathic 

>remedies?

>-

>  TXKR97B@prodigy.com



Sharon,

I suggest that you get and read _Menopausal Years the Wise Woman Way_

by Susun Weed.  Lots of great info for remedies from doing nothing to

herbs. 

Enjoy, Sherri







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs for menopause

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:57:22 -0500



In article <328b92e6.0@news.ultranet.ca>, pdsd@ultranet.ca wrote:



> TXKR97B@prodigy.com (Sharon Szolnoki) wrote:

> 

> >Does anyone know of or have first hand experience with treating the 

> >symptoms of menopause-particularly mood swings with herbs or homeopathic 

> >remedies?

> >-

> >  TXKR97B@prodigy.com

> 

> Sharon,

> I suggest that you get and read _Menopausal Years the Wise Woman Way_

> by Susun Weed.  Lots of great info for remedies from doing nothing to

> herbs. 

> Enjoy, Sherri



I also suggest Herbal Healing for Women By Rosemary Gladstar. Wonderful

book with recipes and dosages. She lives what she preaches as does Susan

Weed. These women are the herbalist for us.

Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chronic Pain Help Needed

From: ltubman@peinet.pe.ca (Andrew and Lise Tubman)

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 12:28:15 GMT



	Hello

My wife has had chronic groin pain for the last two years.  Been to all the 

local government medical people with no real reasults. Doctors have said it 

was stress, hernia, arthritis, .... all have been proven wrong.

	Any ideas were to start with a more traditional approach???



Thanks

Andrew





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chronic Pain Help Needed

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard)

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:47:48 GMT



ltubman@peinet.pe.ca (Andrew and Lise Tubman) wrote:



>	Hello

>My wife has had chronic groin pain for the last two years.  Been to all the 

>local government medical people with no real reasults. Doctors have said it 

>was stress, hernia, arthritis, .... all have been proven wrong.

>	Any ideas were to start with a more traditional approach???



>Thanks

>Andrew



Hi Andrew,



Maybe you can go to an acupuncturist. The acupuncture has great success with pain

disorders. It works on me for sciatica that can't be cured with standard medicine and

chiropractic. For a look on certified acupuncturists go to www.acupuncture.com.



I hope this helps,



Richard







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Any herbs for Post Nasal Drip?

From: LRICCI@

Date: 13 Nov 1996 12:59:17 GMT



Am interested if there are any herbs out there that are used for Post Nasal Drip.



Patti

pcavazza@vnet.ibm.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for Post Nasal Drip?

From: gary@zimco.com

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:21:38 GMT



LRICCI@ wrote:



>Am interested if there are any herbs out there that are used for Post Nasal Drip.



>Patti

>pcavazza@vnet.ibm.com



Hi Patti:



What has worked for me for the past 4 years is taking:



500mg of Calcium Pantothenate(Timed Pantothenic Acid) twice a day with

1000mg Timed Vitamin C



Check with your Doctor about this first.



HTH,



gary@zimco.com









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Any help for Alcoholics?

From: pwasec <pwasec@newshost.cyberramp>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:22:06 -0600



Does anyone know of any herbs or remedies to help alcoholics

stop drinking?

Thanks in advance.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any help for Alcoholics?

From: jerry smith <jsmith@en.com>

Date: 14 Nov 1996 16:46:08 GMT



pwasec <pwasec@newshost.cyberramp> wrote:

>

> Does anyone know of any herbs or remedies to help alcoholics

> stop drinking?

> Thanks in advance.



Pwasec; I researched this at one time and found the following herbs

all mentioned as having been helpful (list compiled from at least

five different books and articles):

Quassia,mother of thyme,cayenne,feverfew,fringe tree,goldenseal,

passion flower,red currant,kudzu,scullcap,and valerian. Kudzu is the

one most often mentioned and apparently the one best researched.

Of course the most important remedy of all, I hear, is a burning

desire to QUIT the habit. But some of these herbs, and proper 

nutrition, can help a lot. (B vitimins are important, as they and

some other vitimins and minerals can be depleted by alcohol).



Best regards...... In good health (through herbs), Jerry

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any help for Alcoholics?

From: taurus@prolog.net (Herm)

Date: 14 Nov 1996 20:56:20 GMT



In article <56ficg$mj2@antares.en.com>, jsmith@en.com says...



>pwasec <pwasec@newshost.cyberramp> wrote:



>> Does anyone know of any herbs or remedies to help alcoholics

>> stop drinking?

>> Thanks in advance.



>Pwasec; I researched this at one time and found the following 

>herbs all mentioned as having been helpful (list compiled from 

>at least five different books and articles):

>Quassia,mother of thyme,cayenne,feverfew,fringe 

>tree,goldenseal,passion flower,red currant,kudzu,scullcap,and 

>valerian. Kudzu is the one most often mentioned and apparently 

>the one best researched.

>Of course the most important remedy of all, I hear, is a 

>burning desire to QUIT the habit. But some of these herbs, and 

>proper nutrition, can help a lot. (B vitimins are important, as 

>they and some other vitimins and minerals can be depleted by 

>alcohol).



The info on herbs to use is good.  But the last part is the most 

important part.  You, and only you, must want to quit drinking. 

It does not mean anything at all that your wife/girlfriend/lover 

wants you to quit, you must want to quit.  And one of the best 

and at no cost to you, ways of getting top notch help from 

people who have walked in your shoes, who have been where you 

are, is AA.  Alcoholics Anonymous. You don't have to buy their 

package, you don't have to take everything they tell you as 

Gospel  But think of this, if you attend just one meeting, and 

there are 15 people there, each of those 15 has been just 

exactly where you are, each of them has walked the same path you 

are on, and they will share with you, what they did to get sober 

and stay that way.  It works, if you work it.  And remember this 

one thing, if nothing else, you don't have to quit drinking for 

the rest of your life.  Just today, don't drink today.  If one 

day is too much, don't drink for one hour.  You can do it, one 

day at a time.  



   

                 Herm

--

Rev. Herm Schugard  K3JSZ since 1959 Nudist since birth

     taurus@ptd.net           herms@voicenet.com

       http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1255







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any help for Alcoholics?

From: gypsyjayne@enterprise.net (Gypsy Jayne)

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 00:53:36 GMT



On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:22:06 -0600, pwasec <pwasec@newshost.cyberramp>

seemed to type:



~Does anyone know of any herbs or remedies to help alcoholics

~stop drinking?

~Thanks in advance.



You could try ink-cap mushrooms.





Gypsy Jayne

England

http://homepages.enterprise.net/gypsyjayne

. . . at least the wheels go round . . .





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Korean Ginseng

From: "B. Swift" <bss@chrh.org>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:42:49 GMT



	

Does anyone have information about the side effects of this herb?



Thanks!









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Korean Ginseng

From: Fred <peerenbf@dmapub.dma.org>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 06:29:25 -0500



On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, B. Swift wrote:



> 	

> Does anyone have information about the side effects of this herb?

> 

> Thanks!

> 

I have been using ginseng for over 5 years on a daily basis now and have 

noticed no side effects.  Of course that is for me, it could cause a side 

effect in another I suppose if their system reated to it differently.  I 

hae always used the wild Siberian 'sang because it like its' more subtle 

and gentler lift that it gives.  And according to a study that was done 

in one of the major university hospitals (no I don't remember wich one, 

it was one out east though) it is beneficial in regulating blood 

pressure. From my own experiance, this has shown to be true to some 

extent. It will not replace a commercial pharmecutical in sever 

hypertension cases, but does a good job for mild cases.



Like any other substance, the user has to monitor themselves for any 

adverse affects.





 Fred









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: DHEA

From: Ena <rhughes@agt.net>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:06:34 -0700



Can anyone give me information regarding DHEA?

Thanks!

Ena





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: acatanac@rt66.com

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:31:09 -0600



In article ,

    Ena  wrote:

> 

> Can anyone give me information regarding DHEA?

> Thanks!

> Ena

> 

For more information on the different types of DHEA on the market, send a blank

email to dhea@mailback.com, and within minutes DHEA information will appear

in your email inbox.

-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Planters Warts

From: mesterha@john.rutgers.edu (chris mesterharm)

Date: 13 Nov 1996 12:17:24 -0500



I know I saw some information on planters warts before on this

newsgroup, but unfortunately, I didn't save it.  Could someone please

repeat some of the more effective cures.  In the past, I've gone the

freezing route with a dermatologist, and I would like to avoid that

this time around.



Chris





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: chris mesterharm <mesterha@john.rutgers.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Planters Warts

From: Sisyphus <sisyphus@polaris.mindport.net>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:45:44 -0500



On 13 Nov 1996, chris mesterharm wrote:



> I know I saw some information on planters warts before on this

> newsgroup, but unfortunately, I didn't save it.  Could someone please

> repeat some of the more effective cures.  In the past, I've gone the

> freezing route with a dermatologist, and I would like to avoid that

> this time around.



Chris, I asked the question about 8-9 months ago.  The answer I recieved

was to use "Bloodroot" (sanguinaria canadensis).  This past summer I

searched the local woods for this plant, ALMOST to no avail.  The only

Bloodroot plant I found was in an Arboretum, planted and labeled plainly

by the staff.  Needless to say, I didn't take any from that source.  At

the least, though, I did positively identify the plant and will resume the

search next summer.  (It seems to like shady, damp soil.)



Hope this helps... good luck.  



(Right now I'm using a sharp knife and Merthiolate.  At least it slows it

down.)











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Planters Warts

From: lisastag@cnw.com (Lisa Stag-Tout)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 15:12:57 GMT



Sisyphus <sisyphus@polaris.mindport.net> wrote:



>On 13 Nov 1996, chris mesterharm wrote:



>> I know I saw some information on planters warts before 



>Chris, I asked the question about 8-9 months ago.  The answer I recieved

>was to use "Bloodroot" (sanguinaria canadensis). 



>(Right now I'm using a sharp knife and Merthiolate.  At least it slows it

>down.)



My naturopath told me to use .... banana peel on my child's plantar's

wart. Haven't tried it yet. I assume taping it (inner peel to skin)

would suffice. It's an enzyme thing. Years ago I used that stinky

stuff in a little brown bottle by Dr Scholls, I think & that worked

fine after a few weeks of applications. 

I'm going to look into Bloodroot, I've had a tincture for quite awhile

w/o ever using it for anything.



lisastag@cnw.com











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Planters Warts

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:49:59 -0500



In article <56cvr4$a5q@john.rutgers.edu>, mesterha@john.rutgers.edu (chris

mesterharm) wrote:



> I know I saw some information on planters warts before on this

> newsgroup, but unfortunately, I didn't save it.  Could someone please

> repeat some of the more effective cures.  In the past, I've gone the

> freezing route with a dermatologist, and I would like to avoid that

> this time around.

> 

> Chris



I carry bloodroot and it is easy to make a linament out of it. If you are

interested E-Mail me. It is a good quality herb and it is wildcrafted. I

can give you the recipe to make the linament which you will find to be

extremely easy. You probably will laugh. To make our own medicines and

such that we spend so much money on in stores is a joke. You can also use

simple water and white vinegar for worts. It may take a while but I read

this helps. The Bloodroot linament may be faster. Let me know

Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fermented Foods Book

From: barry glick <barryg@plainfield.bypass.com>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:36:48 -0800



Can anyone tell me the name of the old german book on the health

benefits of fermented foods often quoted by authors like Bernard Jensen,

Pavo Airola, etc?  I have forgotten its name, but it dealt with treating

cancer, etc. with fermented foods.  Help if you can.



Barry Glick

barryg@aug.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: preventing impetigo

From: westcott@iquest.net (rob westcott)

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:21:56 GMT



preventing impetigo (?)



i am in contact with a young boy with autism who seems to contract

impetigo around his mouth every winter.  this has reportedly occurred

for the last 5 years at least.



this seems to be due in part to his tendency of placing his hands into

his mouth while his lips are somewhat chapped...   this leads to mouth

sores and later to impetigo.



i am aware that it is wise to keep his hands clean, and also to that

once mouth sores appear it is wise to apply ointment similar to

bacitracin..



however, i am inquiring to see whether or not anyone is aware of any

vitamins, herbs, or medication that may be useful in preventing the

impetigo from occurring...  ??



reply posts to the NG or email are fine...



thanks.



rob westcott







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: preventing impetigo

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 13 Nov 1996 20:04:04 -0700



westcott@iquest.net (rob westcott) wrote:



>i am in contact with a young boy with autism who seems to contract

>impetigo around his mouth every winter.  this has reportedly occurred

>for the last 5 years at least.



>this seems to be due in part to his tendency of placing his hands into

>his mouth while his lips are somewhat chapped...   this leads to mouth

>sores and later to impetigo.



>i am aware that it is wise to keep his hands clean, and also to that

>once mouth sores appear it is wise to apply ointment similar to

>bacitracin..

  Perventing them would be best, and frequent hand and face

washing, followed by a lotion to counteract dryness, is the place

to start.



  He might have a mild B-vitamin deficiency .. that can show up

as severe cracking and sores in cold weather.  A general purpose

multi-vitamin supplement might help.



  A&D ointment, lightly spread around the mouth area, will help

keep the chapping and cracking for starting.  (it's a diaper

creme, but it's great for all kinds of things)



Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: preventing impetigo

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:35:55 +0000



In article <56e274$mr7@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Callie

<callie@writepage.com> writes

>westcott@iquest.net (rob westcott) wrote:

>

>>i am in contact with a young boy with autism who seems to contract

>>impetigo around his mouth every winter.  this has reportedly occurred

>>for the last 5 years at least.

>

>>this seems to be due in part to his tendency of placing his hands into

>>his mouth while his lips are somewhat chapped...   this leads to mouth

>>sores and later to impetigo.

>

>>i am aware that it is wise to keep his hands clean, and also to that

>>once mouth sores appear it is wise to apply ointment similar to

>>bacitracin..

>  Perventing them would be best, and frequent hand and face

>washing, followed by a lotion to counteract dryness, is the place

>to start.

>

>  He might have a mild B-vitamin deficiency .. that can show up

>as severe cracking and sores in cold weather.  A general purpose

>multi-vitamin supplement might help.

>

>  A&D ointment, lightly spread around the mouth area, will help

>keep the chapping and cracking for starting.  (it's a diaper

>creme, but it's great for all kinds of things)

>

>Callie

>

>Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

>http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame

>

>



Try the stuff you put on bitten nails, to stop you bitting them, it

works quite well in keeping peoples hands out of their mouths.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing impetigo

From: topshelf@aol.com

Date: 24 Nov 1996 22:14:39 GMT



I would agree with the people who site diet deficiencies as a possible

cause for the tendency to get impetigo. The nails should be kept short,

hands clean.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,alt.parenting.solutions

Subject: Re: preventing impetigo

From: Brandy Montgomery <BM10447@wcu.edu>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:38:35 -0400



How often does the child wash his hands? I don't know of anything to 

use prescription wise but you might want to use something called 

Colloidal Silver that is avaliable at health food stores that is good 

to use in fighting colds, viruses etc. this might help but the best 

thing to do is to have the child wash his hands often with PUMP 

anti-bacterial soap. Good Luck!!!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,alt.parenting.solutions

Subject: Re: preventing impetigo

From: melissa mcgill <mm12868@wcu.edu>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:15:08 -0400



Rob, Bonnie is right. I have found that colloidal Siver works wonders 

! I personally have used it for many skin irritations. It is all 

natural so there will not be any side effects for giving it a try! 

also there is an abundance of literature available to you in your 

public library or nearest health food store! The best of luck to you!

                          Melissa*PEACE*





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing impetigo

From: kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

Date: 19 Nov 1996 15:41:26 GMT





Impetigo is a skin infection which is very contagious and

often seen among young children or those who work with

them.  Lavender essential oil as a wash, followed by an

application of Myrrh and Tea Tree essential oils should

clear up the infection.  it's a good idea to sterilize

anything the infected child touches with these oils as well.

Good Luck!

Kamala

--

Kamala Perfumes Inc.: your complete aromatherapy and herbal

supplier...E-mail us for more info., or check our Website at

http://www.kamala.com/kamala.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing impetigo

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:36:18 GMT



I have worked around children for years, including those with this

condition. I found the predisposing cause to be nutritive debility,

and that the exciting causes to be irritation, impure air, and errors

in diet. Those that follow those rules in diet (twinkies, ding dongs,

tec..) suffer the most. I have a juicing machine and juice often. I

never had the condition. My children either.

Pine Sol is the only cleaner I ever used.



Margie

Margies Rare Books and Plant Clipart on CD-R

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm

On 19 Nov 1996 15:41:26 GMT, kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

wrote:



>

>Impetigo is a skin infection which is very contagious and

>often seen among young children or those who work with

>them.  Lavender essential oil as a wash, followed by an

>application of Myrrh and Tea Tree essential oils should

>clear up the infection.  it's a good idea to sterilize

>anything the infected child touches with these oils as well.

>Good Luck!

>Kamala

>--

>Kamala Perfumes Inc.: your complete aromatherapy and herbal

>supplier...E-mail us for more info., or check our Website at

>http://www.kamala.com/kamala.html







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: coming off oral contraceptives

From: jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz)

Date: 13 Nov 1996 20:33:45 GMT



I'm about to stop taking oral contraceptives.  I've been on them for 2 

1/2 years, and i'm 34.  I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for 

herbs to take to ease the transition--normalize menstrual cycles.  I 

think I have heard that Chaste Tree Berry works well for this purpose.  

Does anyone have any information about this?  Thanks --Judy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: coming off oral contraceptives

From: Brenda Johnson <Brenda_Johnson@nt.com>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:17:41 -0700



Judith Schwartz wrote:

> 

> I'm about to stop taking oral contraceptives.  I've been on them for 2

> 1/2 years, and i'm 34.  I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for

> herbs to take to ease the transition--normalize menstrual cycles.  I

> think I have heard that Chaste Tree Berry works well for this purpose.

> Does anyone have any information about this?  Thanks --Judy



You may not have any problems when you stop taking the pills. I didn't, 

and took them off and on until I was about your age. If anything, they 

may have helped "teach" your body to be more regular. I suspect that is 

what happened with me, no way to really know though.



-Bren





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: coming off oral contraceptives

From: sarah <mouse@hooked.net>

Date: 28 Nov 1996 11:42:17 GMT



In article <328CC1D5.4559@nt.com> Brenda Johnson, Brenda_Johnson@nt.com

writes:

>Judith Schwartz wrote:

>> 

>> I'm about to stop taking oral contraceptives.  I've been on them for 2

>> 1/2 years, and i'm 34.  I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for

>> herbs to take to ease the transition--normalize menstrual cycles.  I

>> think I have heard that Chaste Tree Berry works well for this purpose.

>> Does anyone have any information about this?  Thanks --Judy

>



In college I learned that chewing on a licorice root will help bring on

your flow.  It also makes a very satisfying pacifier as the pms drives

you crazy.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: coming off oral contraceptives

From: terrig2@aol.com

Date: 29 Nov 1996 18:56:54 GMT



Brenda Johnson <Brenda_Johnson@nt.com> wrote:



>Judith Schwartz wrote:

>> 

>> I'm about to stop taking oral contraceptives.  I've been on them for 2

>> 1/2 years, and i'm 34.  I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions

for

>> herbs to take to ease the transition--normalize menstrual cycles.  I

>> think I have heard that Chaste Tree Berry works well for this purpose.

>> Does anyone have any information about this?  Thanks --Judy

>

>You may not have any problems when you stop taking the pills. I didn't, 

>and took them off and on until I was about your age. If anything, they 

>may have helped "teach" your body to be more regular. I suspect that is 

>what happened with me, no way to really know though.



On the other hand, it took my body approximately 3 years to get back to

normal when I went off the Pill.  I was 30 and had been on it for about 5

years.  I experienced menstrual irregularity and during the first year

missed every other month very frequently.  All the "bad" symptoms of

menstruation, alleviated or eliminated while I was taking oral

contraceptives, came back with a vengeance.  Additionally, in seven years

of marriage, and seven years off the Pill, I have not used any other

contraceptives and have also not gotten pregnant.



Just another side of the story.

 -<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-

Terri Gianola, Catskill, NY, USA (TerriG2@aol.com -or- Gianola@vaxa.sunycgcc.edu)

http://members.gnn.com/terri -or- http://www.sunycgcc.edu/~gianola        

"The only stupid question is the one never asked."

"Laziness - not necessity - is the mother of invention."

 -<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-:-<>-





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Devil's Claw Help

From: david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com

Date: 13 Nov 1996 20:57:45 GMT



Can anyone tell me about the side effects from Devil's Claw?  Can long term useage cause 

liver or kidney problems?  Is this toxic in any way over time?



tx for your help, david hughes





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ANTIQQUE BOOKS

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:25:46 GMT



One time buy-Great investment-Unusual gifts. 



We used to read the original pages, but no more. This digital way read

from the CD-ROM reader is much-much better. The printouts are better

too!



*A  Very unusual and very rare1839 botany/herbal By Catherine

Waterman.Also contains ancient poetery with each plant. They are all

bookmarked. Click on an icon and it takes you right to the plant.



* How Plants Grow (Botany Book) By ASA Gray MD, year 1858 with over

500 illustrations that can be utilized using the cut and paste option

of the software. 241 pages.



* Lessons and Stories For Very Little Ones By Estes and Lauriat, Year

1881. Lots of illustrations, 48 pages. (childrens book)



* A completely extinct U.S. Government Regulation Book on the

distribution of Opium and Coca leaves. Year 1927, 103 pages.



* The Farmers Garden By Herbert Collingwood Published by The Rural New

Yorker. Lots of illustrations and down to earth advice on gardening

that has slipped thru our fingers from when times were simplier.

Saving Seeds, Herbs, etc.. Year 1905. 128 pages.



* Home Nursing - Lots of illustrations and advice from simplier times

on how nursing was done from the home. Year 1902, 52 pages. 



* Grammer of Palmistry By Catherine St. Hill. Ton of illustrations on

how palmistry was done in the 1800's. Untouched by modern hands and a

real good book on the subject. Year 1889, 124 pages.



* How Parasites Are Transmitted By the US Dept. of Agriculture. Learn

how parasites are transmitted to humans and what they really look

like. Year 1905, 30 pages.



* Washington House Seed Catalogue for the Gardener. Interesting to see

a seed catalogue from yesteryearfrom Washington Iowa. Ton of

illustrations that can be utilized using the cut and paste option.

Year 1915, 34 pages. 



* Book of 12,000 Synonyms By Robert Bradbury PhD. The most accurate

and complete book of synonyms ever published from this time .Year

1886, 30 pages.

We printed ours out, bound it in a Portfolio and use it all the time.

Less confusing and we can get right to the woed or phrase we want

without hesitation. A pleaasure to reach for.



* Book of Trees By Austin C. Apgar. Ton of illustrations that can be

utilized in desktop publishing apps. 224 pages, year 1892.



* Goulds Medical Dictionary By George Gould MD. We tried to document

every plant in this volume as hyperlinked bookmarks. It got so

massive, we had to give up. Over 500 pages, year 1890.



* Materia Medica By Sam Potter MD. About all kinds of historical

prescriptions. A bunch of plants that are described for medicine. Year

1894, 255 pages.



All these books have been scanned at 1200 dpi then converted into the

Adobe Acrobat file. This way they are authentic and look and feel just

like they did then as each page is turned. Every page is actually a

digital picture of each page as opposed to the text. They can also be

printed and re-bound. You will be looking at a one of a kind re-print

of an antique book, and it does'nt have the fragile rag pages.

All books are complete (no pages missing).

Instead of a bunch of high priced books on the shelf, now one thin CD.

All we could get on a single CD-ROM from the sands of time and still

only $25.00 postpaid.

All the CD-ROM's are created on Verbatim recordable blanks with a

Hewlett Packard CD-R Writer in a single session and sent in our jewel

case. Both IBM compatibles and Mac's CD-ROM readers will read the

data. 



The Acrobat Reader can be downloaded from Adobe's Web page.

http://www.adobe.com at no charge.



Included - Cultural images for the Botanist, Biologist, Herbalist,

Physicians, Agriculturist, Nutritionist, Desktop Publisher, Students,

Etc.. 

Over 2500 images utilizing the directory of plates that have many

images on each sheet and the cut and paste option from the digital

books.

1200 single images in the PLANT directory that are named as close as

possible to their name as the default file name. For instance, the

Safflower plant is named SAFFLWER.TIF. Each image opened will also

show the common name as well as the scientific name for easy

identification.

Serious inquiries please as we are working on another CD-ROM of doctor

books, Anatomy Clip Art, etc..



Sincerely;



Margie

Margie's Rare Books and Plant Clipart 

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm







 













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: sci.med.nutrition,sci.med.diseases.cancer,sci.med.immunology,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Medical Textx

From: abg21@dial.pipex.com (Nick Hunter)

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:10:27 +0000



Joel Guss <jg183@columbia.edu> wrote:



> I am wondering if there are any resources/publications out there

> about herbal medicine written for Medical Doctors who are wanting

> to explore this field.  Hopefully, such a source would attempt to

> closely link the efficacy of herbs to standard medical technique/

> pharmacology (for example, discuss possible mechanisms of actions

> of molecules in herbs as similar to mechanisms of standard drugs)



Boik J (1996)

Cancer and Natural Medicine. 

A textbook of Basic Science and Clinical Research.

Oregon Medical Press. 315pp

ISBN 0-9648280-0-6



Newall CA, Anderson LA & Phillipson JD (1996) 

Herbal Medicines. A Guide for Health Care Professionals

The Pharmaceutical Press, London. 296pp.

ISBN 0-85369-289-0



Trease GE & Evans WC (1983) 

Pharmacognosy, 12th edn

Bailliere Tindall. 812pp

ISBN 0 7020 1007 3



Andrews T, Corya WL & Stickel DA Jr (1982)

A bibliography on Herbs, Herbal Medicine, "Natural" Foods and

Unconventional Medical Treatment

Libraries Unlimited Inc, Littleton, CO. 339pp

ISBN 0-87287-288-2







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Femals stuff...

From: Katherine J Jendral <smafrin+@pitt.edu>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:13:58 -0500





Does anyone know if there is a correlation between Ovarian Cysts,

Dysplasia, and Candida A. ?



Can one's diet affects any of these things?  I've tried looking this info

up but found nothing as far as one's diet is concerned.  Doctors and

Dieticians haven't been able to offer any opinions either.



If you can offer ANY help at all, please send e-mail me, since I don't get

a chance to check this group as often as I'd like to...



Thanks a lot!



-Kate

:)







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Femals stuff...

From: tansy@ix.netcom.com(Karenelisa & Carl Broyles )

Date: 15 Nov 1996 01:35:24 GMT





Kate:



All I can tell you is that I had a systemic yeast infection; and my pap

smears consistently came up with cervical dysplasia.  Got the systemic

infection under control - no more dysplasia, either!  



Anecdotal, but true.  



Karen





In <Pine.GSO.3.95L.961113180821.17694B-100000@unixs-eval.cis.pitt.edu>

Katherine J Jendral <smafrin+@pitt.edu> writes: 

>

>

>Does anyone know if there is a correlation between Ovarian Cysts,

>Dysplasia, and Candida A. ?

>

>Can one's diet affects any of these things?  I've tried looking this

info

>up but found nothing as far as one's diet is concerned.  Doctors and

>Dieticians haven't been able to offer any opinions either.

>

>If you can offer ANY help at all, please send e-mail me, since I don't

get

>a chance to check this group as often as I'd like to...

>

>Thanks a lot!

>

>-Kate

>:)

>







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.food.veg,alt.forsale,alt.forsale.nutrition,alt.healing.flower-essence,alt.healing,reiki

Subject: NATURAL AND SAFE HERBAL REMEDIES FOR COLDS AND FLU

From: infinitea@olywa.net (Lisa Hayes, Herbalist Extraorindaire)

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:44:41 GMT



The cold and flu season is upon us.  When the symptoms hit most of us

head for the nearest drugstore to buy medications that we really know

are not good for us.  But what else are we to do?  We need to get

results!!!



Many people feel that herbal remedies are not practical.  They believe

that herbal treatments will either not be effective or will be too

complicated.  However, there are many simple herbal preperations that

are very effective.  



Try the following tincture combo as an alternative to the over the

counter medications for congestion.  All of the ingredients are

readilly available in health food stores.



Expectorant Tincure:



Garlic

Lobelia

Cayenne

Mullien

Echinecia

Licorice



Adult dose is betwee 6 drops and 1/4 teaspoon taken as often as

needed.  Adjust the dose for children according to age and weight.

This tincture is not intended for long term use.



INFINITEA offers an incredible variety of medicinal herbal teas.  We

have blends that support the immune system and many others. 

Pull up our web site at:



http://www.webelegance.com/infinitea



E-mail us you're herbal questions and we'll get back to you with

answers.



See you there.





Lisa Hayes		888-956-4TEA

Infinitea@aol.com	http://www.webelegance.com/infinitea



"You're life, you're health, you're choices..."













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginseng Fans:

From: Matt Hull <mhull@cland.net>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:46:29 -0800



Hi Folks!



I have ginseng growing on my land and dig some every fall to sell.



The use of ginseng has increased substantially in the United States, but

the most people are buying "manufactured" products such as ginseng tea,

gum, pills, extracts and even colas. The major drawback is the user does

not know the amount of ginseng he or she is consuming, nor even if the

product contains any detectable amount of ginseng at all! 



The Chinese method of consuming ginseng is to buy whole roots and

prepare the teas themselves or chew on slivers. This way they know

exactly what they are buying and how much a dose they are consuming.



These roots are for the discriminating buyer. They have grown in the

forests of Missouri virtually undisturbed by humans. After being

carefully dug, they are slowly dried with the utmost care. They will be

shipped with certifying documents as required by state and federal laws

(ginseng is tightly regulated as it is a threatened species).

 

Please contact me via e-mail at mhull@cland.net



Or visit my page at http://www.cland.net/~mhull/ginseng.html

 

Matt Hull





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Urinary Tract

From: Georzetta Ratcliffe <gratclif@shentel.net>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:12:59 -0800



I have a problem with bladder stones do to an indwelling catheter. I

want to avoid the doctor until Jan. To help with the gravel I am current

taking 30-40 drops of gravel root in fruit juice and cranberry

supplements from Nature's Plus as well as B's and C. Any other

suggestions would be welcome. 



Thanks



Georzetta

-- 

Georzetta Ratcliffe, Access Independence Board of Directors 

quadriplegic -- SCI C4/5 1976

Educator -- Daniel Morgan Middle School, Computer Applications,

Keyboarding 

My e-mail has been getting lost -- please CC: all messages to me to my

other e-mail address -- 102614.431@compuserve.com







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Urinary Tract

From: infinitea@olywa.net (Lisa Hayes, Herbalist Extraorindaire)

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:42:34 GMT



Georzetta Ratcliffe <gratclif@shentel.net> wrote:



>I have a problem with bladder stones do to an indwelling catheter. I

>want to avoid the doctor until Jan. To help with the gravel I am current

>taking 30-40 drops of gravel root in fruit juice and cranberry

>supplements from Nature's Plus as well as B's and C. Any other

>suggestions would be welcome. 



>Thanks



>Georzetta

>-- 

>Georzetta Ratcliffe, Access Independence Board of Directors 

>quadriplegic -- SCI C4/5 1976

>Educator -- Daniel Morgan Middle School, Computer Applications,

>Keyboarding 

>My e-mail has been getting lost -- please CC: all messages to me to my

>other e-mail address -- 102614.431@compuserve.com



You may want to try a tea or a tincture of marshmallow root.  This is

a pretty traditional remedy for any type of bladder condition.



Please let me know...



Lisa Hayes		888-956-4TEA

INFINITEA@aol.com	http://www.webelegance.com/infinitea



"You're life, you're health, you're choices..."













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Urinary Tract

From: kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

Date: 19 Nov 1996 15:49:35 GMT





My favorite combination for urinary tract problems is Marshmallow,

Juniper berries, and Dandelion Root (tea or tincture).

Try it and see!

Kamala

--

Kamala Perfumes Inc.: your complete aromatherapy and herbal

supplier...E-mail us for more info., or check our Website at

http://www.kamala.com/kamala.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Urinary Tract

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:31:19 -0500



In article <56skuf$d2l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M.

Gass) wrote:



> My favorite combination for urinary tract problems is Marshmallow,

> Juniper berries, and Dandelion Root (tea or tincture).

> Try it and see!

> Kamala

> --

> Kamala Perfumes Inc.: your complete aromatherapy and herbal

> supplier...E-mail us for more info., or check our Website at

> http://www.kamala.com/kamala.html





For the urinary tract I suggest Uva Ursi, Buchu, Marshmellow. Uva ursi and

Buchu are specifically for the kidneys and urinary tract. Parsley root to

help keep it functioning properly on a daily basis. Parsley root taste

like baby carrots and are great to nibble on. Another fantastic thing to

drink is cranberry juice. The kidneys, urinary tract, Bladder, are all

connected so treat them as such. That is how herbs work, on whole systems.

Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Urinary Tract

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:35:09 GMT



I have had the best luck just eating raw garlic for a few days and a

gallon of water over that time. A couple cloves of garlic a day.



Margie 

Margies Rare Books and Plant Clip Art

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm



On 19 Nov 1996 15:49:35 GMT, kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

wrote:



>

>My favorite combination for urinary tract problems is Marshmallow,

>Juniper berries, and Dandelion Root (tea or tincture).

>Try it and see!

>Kamala

>--

>Kamala Perfumes Inc.: your complete aromatherapy and herbal

>supplier...E-mail us for more info., or check our Website at

>http://www.kamala.com/kamala.html







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: pepper grass

From: stewart@peinet.pe.ca (Paul Stewart C/O ABIOGEN)

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 03:47:14 GMT





Hello From Snowy PEI, Canada!



I am seeking information on the plant "pepper grass" I saw it on a price list 

of herbs and mushrooms, but there was no mention of a genus/species. Could 

someone please tell me what this is, and where it is grown?  I saw no mention 

of it in any of my books, nor in Richter's catalog. Thanks very much.



Paul Stewart c/o ABIOGEN Agri-Food Services

Prince Edwrad Island, CANADA   (stewart@cycor.ca)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: pepper grass

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:56:08 GMT



>Hello From Snowy PEI, Canada!

>

>I am seeking information on the plant "pepper grass" I saw it on a price list 

>of herbs and mushrooms, but there was no mention of a genus/species. Could 

>someone please tell me what this is, and where it is grown?  I saw no mention 

>of it in any of my books, nor in Richter's catalog. Thanks very much.

>

>Paul Stewart c/o ABIOGEN Agri-Food Services

>Prince Edwrad Island, CANADA   (stewart@cycor.ca)

I remembered your info you wanted about the pepergrass (Lepidum

Apetalum) while I was looking thru one of the antique books.

States used as an ingredient in hair tonics.

Tonics were defined as remedies which moderately exalt the energies of

all parts of the body, without causing any deviation of healthy

function.

Hope this helps. 

Do you want the hair tonic recipe.



Sincerely;



Margie











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: pepper grass

From: fsgafrick@aol.com

Date: 16 Nov 1996 16:24:54 GMT



Pepper grass is another name for curled cress.  It is often used as a

flavoring / filling for sandwiches, much like sprouts.  it is really easy

to grow from seed and grows quite fast.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: LookSmart reviews alt.folklore.herbs

From: Fleur Toone <fleur@homebase.com.au>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:43:31 +1000



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help and sorry

From: Lyndon McDonald <lmcd.misl@ns.sympatico.ca>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:09:18 -0500



Sorry to intrude folks, I'm new to the news group thing, and don't

really know what to do, or where to go to find the anwsers.



A friend of mine has a daughter who is almost 2 years old, she has a

terrible time sleeping, and has had ever since she was born.  She

constantly wakes up in the night to get up to play.  For hours. 

to get her to fall back asleep they almost have to hold her to bed

untill she tires herself out.  



She has been to two differnt doctors, and both wat to put her on

Retilin<<<spelling.  Verna, the mother does not want ot do that.



During the day the kid does not seem overly hyper, only at night.  They

recently have a new addition to the family, and they do want this new

little fellow to get in the habit of being up all night with his sister.



Ay help would be great, but if u could please emial the comments to me,

as I probably won;'t find this newgroup again, I'm not very good at

finding my way around these.



Thanks,  Lyndon    lmcd.misl@ns.sympatico.ca









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help and sorry

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 08:30:35 GMT



>A friend of mine has a daughter who is almost 2 years old, she has a

>terrible time sleeping, and has had ever since she was born.  She



Try rubbing her feet at bed time in her bed and see if that works.

Also talk with her. Might just be a growing phase.



Margie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help and sorry

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:29:09 +0000



In article <32947b4b.1250752@news.navix.net>, Rare Digital Books <?@?>

writes

>>A friend of mine has a daughter who is almost 2 years old, she has a

>>terrible time sleeping, and has had ever since she was born.  She

>

>Try rubbing her feet at bed time in her bed and see if that works.

>Also talk with her. Might just be a growing phase.

>

>Margie



Try a dreamy herb pillow, hops with flowers till on them, violets,

lavender and rose petals seem to work best with young children only make

up a very tiny pillow and pop it under the pillow on her bed, not

directly under her head.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: mk95528@navix.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help and sorry

From: kloock@students.wisc.edu

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:19:26 +0100



Rare, Digital, Books wrote:

> 

> >A friend of mine has a daughter who is almost 2 years old, she has a

> >terrible time sleeping, and has had ever since she was born.  She

> 

> Try rubbing her feet at bed time in her bed and see if that works.

> Also talk with her. Might just be a growing phase.

> 

> Margie



Right, had the same problem with mine at that age. Too much happening 

in that little head. After some tries we hit on a way that worked just 

fine and still does when she is too excited to sleep (now age 7).

Once in bed she gets a special time, where she can tell me everything, 

that comes to her mind, than, after a while (10 min or so), she lies 

flat on her stomach and I give her a back-rub. She gets totally 

relaxed and very sleepy - the talking stops and when I stop the 

back-rub (after about another 10 min), she ususally just says "good 

night" and off she goes to sleep.

Hope it works for your friend too.

K.L.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Sleep Pillows?

From: ms.infinity@tka.com

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:21:05 -0600



Does anyone have instructions for herbal sleep pillows?  I have

insomnia and thought this might be a nice alternative.  I have

lavendar buds, was wondering what else to put in it.  I have also

heard of herbal sleep pillows for lucid dreaming.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

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http://www.dejanews.com/           [Search, Post, and Read Usenet News]





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Sleep Pillows?

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 00:59:35 +0000



In article <847984742.22753@dejanews.com>, ms.infinity@tka.com writes

>Does anyone have instructions for herbal sleep pillows?  I have

>insomnia and thought this might be a nice alternative.  I have

>lavendar buds, was wondering what else to put in it.  I have also

>heard of herbal sleep pillows for lucid dreaming.

>-----------------------------------------------------------------------

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>http://www.dejanews.com/           [Search, Post, and Read Usenet News]



Lavender, Hops, (with flowers still on) rose petals, vanilla podds

crushed if you want lucid dreams.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Sleep Pillows?

From: GeekMan <geekman@together.net>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 22:32:52 -0500



ms.infinity@tka.com wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have instructions for herbal sleep pillows?  I have

> insomnia and thought this might be a nice alternative.  I have

> lavendar buds, was wondering what else to put in it.  I have also

> heard of herbal sleep pillows for lucid dreaming.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> This article was posted to Usenet via the Posting Service at Deja News:

> http://www.dejanews.com/           [Search, Post, and Read Usenet News]

Howdy;



I have heard that hop flowers (that magical ingredient in beer) have

been known to induce sleep.  As far as I know, one can make a tea out of

it, and it (theoretically) will induce sleep.  I know when I drank a

batch of beer with 3X the amount of recommended hops (it was a good

harvest this year) in it, I was very mellow.  I really love the aroma of

fresh grown hops.  It seems to have a pacifying quality!!



Just my $0.02  :^)

GeekMan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Sleep Pillows?

From: kamala@prairienet.org (Dana M. Gass)

Date: 19 Nov 1996 15:46:37 GMT





Herbal sleep pillows can be made with any combination of the

following: Lavender, Mugwort, Chamomile, Marjoram, Jasmine,

Rose, Orange Peel, Cedar, Deerstongue.  Herbs to add for lucid

dreaming might be Yarrow, Gotu Kola, Basil, Gingko.  Happy

pillow-making!

Kamala

--

Kamala Perfumes Inc.: your complete aromatherapy and herbal

supplier...E-mail us for more info., or check our Website at

http://www.kamala.com/kamala.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Sleep Pillows?

From: gypsyjayne@enterprise.net (Gypsy Jayne)

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:06:11 GMT



You could add some hops to the pillow.  Mix to suit and sew into a

sachet.  Place it beneath your normal pillow and sleep well.







On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:21:05 -0600, ms.infinity@tka.com seemed to

type:



~Does anyone have instructions for herbal sleep pillows?  I have

~insomnia and thought this might be a nice alternative.  I have

~lavendar buds, was wondering what else to put in it.  I have also

~heard of herbal sleep pillows for lucid dreaming.

~-----------------------------------------------------------------------

~This article was posted to Usenet via the Posting Service at Deja News:

~http://www.dejanews.com/           [Search, Post, and Read Usenet News]



Gypsy Jayne

England

http://homepages.enterprise.net/gypsyjayne

. . . at least the wheels go round . . .





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Sleep Pillows?

From: alien338@aol.com

Date: 22 Nov 1996 15:41:37 GMT



I've used mugwort with very interesting results: Lots of strange dreams,

but good sleep.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb Cosmetics

From: rmeister@MTS.Net (Persis K. Meisters)

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:21:34 -0500



I was wondering if anyone knew of how to make plain and simple herb

cosmetics or if you know of a webpage that has information on making your

own. When I talk about cosmetics I mean creams, lotions, facial masks,

bathing sents etc...

Any help would be wonderful. If you have any information please e-mail me

at Persis@sara.zia.com



Thank you,

Persis





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Cosmetics

From: Marge Miron <a-earth@concentric.net>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:26:11 -0600



Persis K. Meisters wrote:

> 

> I was wondering if anyone knew of how to make plain and simple herb

> cosmetics or if you know of a webpage that has information on making your

> own. When I talk about cosmetics I mean creams, lotions, facial masks,

> bathing sents etc...

> Any help would be wonderful. If you have any information please e-mail me

> at Persis@sara.zia.com

> 

> Thank you,

> Persis



re:Herbal Cosmetics

Our family mail-order business offers all natural ingredientsand how-to

books and formularies for cosmetics, body products...soaps, candles,

lotions, perfumes, etc. Our retail catalog is $2.00. For wholesale info

send four stamps and business ID.

Send payment/catelog request to ANGEL'S EARTH, 1633 Scheffer Ave., St.

Paul, MN 55116. Best of luck.

M. Miron





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Cosmetics

From: vwinter@aol.com

Date: 29 Nov 1996 08:38:29 GMT



hi there,

there are severval books by Jeanne Rose on making your own herbal body

lotions and so on....also, Kelly Reno has 2-3 books out on making your own

shampoos, lotions, etc...one of the books is called Oils, Lotions, and

Other Luxuries and the other is called Soaps, Shampoos, and Other

Suds....the two books are published by Prima Publishing in

California...phone...916-632-4400...:)...hope this helps you....I don't

know of any Web site...

Susie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Stubborn Head Lice

From: Tina <tdmodol@pacbell.com>

Date: 14 Nov 1996 21:47:33 GMT



There is a particularly stubborn strain of head lice going around in my 

daughter's school.  Need help.  Have used NIX and washed everything in 

entire house.  Any alternative/herbal treatments that work?  Hate to have 

to use any stonger chemicals than NIX.

Please email me directly with response. Thanks!







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Overdue Pregnancy...Help.....

From: holywad@aol.com

Date: 15 Nov 1996 01:02:14 GMT



My wife is 1 1/2 weeks overdue...I need help..Does anyone know how to pop

this sucker out quick with some natural herbs..She is trying Black cohosh

now....



thanx, 

Scott





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Overdue Pregnancy...Help.....

From: an38774@anon.penet.fi. (an38774@anon.penet.fi.)

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:52:44 -0400



In article <19961115010400.UAA06723@ladder01.news.aol.com>, holywad@aol.com

wrote:



> My wife is 1 1/2 weeks overdue...I need help..Does anyone know how to pop

> this sucker out quick with some natural herbs..She is trying Black cohosh

> now....

> 

> thanx, 

> Scott



Are you crazy?  Babies will come on their own time!!!  I was 2.5 weeks

overdue for all 3 children.  You might do more harm and good popping herbs.

 Let mother nature takes it place naturally.  Be patient.



My 2 cents.....



Kay





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Overdue Pregnancy...Help.....

From: Liz Hanson <liz@zylanid.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 20:54:53 +0000



In article <19961115010400.UAA06723@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

holywad@aol.com writes

>My wife is 1 1/2 weeks overdue...I need 

>help..Does anyone know how to pop

>this sucker out quick with some natural 

>herbs..She is trying Black cohosh

>now....

>

>thanx, 

>Scott

When I was pregnant, but not yet due, I frightened myself by

drinking raspberry leaf tea - violent contractions which thankfully,

in my case, faded.  No more raspberry leaf for me, but perhaps it

might help this lady?



Best wishes

-- 

Liz Hanson





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Overdue Pregnancy...Help.....

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:24:51 +0000



In article <XRL9XAAdiNjyEw7A@zylanid.demon.co.uk>, Liz Hanson

<liz@zylanid.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <19961115010400.UAA06723@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

>holywad@aol.com writes

>>My wife is 1 1/2 weeks overdue...I need 

>>help..Does anyone know how to pop

>>this sucker out quick with some natural 

>>herbs..She is trying Black cohosh

>>now....

>>

>>thanx, 

>>Scott



Let nature do its work, She usually manages very well without your help,

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Overdue Pregnancy...Help.....

From: lilsheba@teleport.com (Little Sheba)

Date: 16 Nov 1996 20:20:49 GMT



holywad@aol.com wrote:

: My wife is 1 1/2 weeks overdue...I need help..Does anyone know how to pop

: this sucker out quick with some natural herbs..She is trying Black cohosh

: now....



: thanx, 

: Scott



Try blue and black cohosh together....here is the dosage from another

thread about the same thing:



of 3 hours with 3 doses. Blue and black cohosh tincture together is good

but not if you have high blood pressure. Take a dropperful of each every

hour.  Take both tinctures for it to work safely and effectively.

 

--

Best wishes and luck,

Shannon Brophy

Certified Midwife



This direct from a midwife....good luck

--

Cause I've been running all over creation     Try the new Poco Mailing

Out of my mind                                List -- email for details

Trying to keep our hearts beating together    

All of the time                                * lilsheba@teleport.com *

	Jackson Browne                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Arthritis & Marijuana

From: daliwzrd1@aol.com

Date: 15 Nov 1996 08:11:13 GMT



I have arthritis in both hands and wrists which can be quite painful at

times. After eating Advil and asprin like it's candy and wearing wrist

supports, I'm able to dull the pain but not eliminate it completely. A

friend of mine recently suggested I try marijuana for the pain and I took

him up on it. It seemed nothing short of a miracle! The pain vanished, the

swelling in my joints went away and I had full mobility. Also, the

medicinal effects outlasted the high by several hours. Now, I'm looking

for some research material to explain why it was so effective but I'm

having a difficult time finding any research on the subject. Plenty for

chemotherapy, glaucoma...even multiple sclerosis, but not arthritis. Does

anyone have any suggestions where I could look for info. 



Thanks in advance.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Arthritis & Marijuana

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:37:15 GMT



daliwzrd1@aol.com wrote:



>I have arthritis in both hands and wrists which can be quite painful at

>times. After eating Advil and asprin like it's candy and wearing wrist

>supports, I'm able to dull the pain but not eliminate it completely. A

>friend of mine recently suggested I try marijuana for the pain and I took

>him up on it. It seemed nothing short of a miracle! The pain vanished, the

>swelling in my joints went away and I had full mobility. Also, the

>medicinal effects outlasted the high by several hours. Now, I'm looking

>for some research material to explain why it was so effective but I'm

>having a difficult time finding any research on the subject. Plenty for

>chemotherapy, glaucoma...even multiple sclerosis, but not arthritis. Does

>anyone have any suggestions where I could look for info. 



Don't know where you could look for info, but I must say that this

treatment is still a palliative and likely harmful in the long run to

the condition, like any pain reliever would be - you don't feel the

pain so you overexert it and cause more damage.   Perhaps the

vasodilation helps the condition a bit as well, but this is still

palliative.



I would more recommend seeing my post called Diet and Supplement Tips

and following the Stones and Crystals regimen, adding Knox gelatin

taken twice per day, and also glucosamine sulfate if desired.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Arthritis & Marijuana

From: rustyp@delta1.deltanet.com (Rusty P)

Date: 19 Nov 1996 05:30:03 GMT









Well, I don't know anything about refferences to information on the 

medicinal effects of marijuana but I do have some second hand 

experience.  My family has long used it for muscle soarness, aches,  

pains ETC. But we don't smoke it. We take some leaves and place them in 

a bottle of grain alcohol or cane alcohol. After the medicinal 

properties of the leaves have infused into the alcohol it is used as a 

rubbing compound. You have some one give you a massage using this 

tincture. then you sleep. It works!

My mom occasionally puts garlic in it also. I don't know what that does.



Rusty



turf 

(turf@mindspring.com) wrote: : daliwzrd1@aol.com wrote:



: >I have arthritis in both hands and wrists which can be quite painful at

: >times. After eating Advil and asprin like it's candy and wearing wrist

: >supports, I'm able to dull the pain but not eliminate it completely. A

: >friend of mine recently suggested I try marijuana for the pain and I took

: >him up on it. It seemed nothing short of a miracle! The pain vanished, the

: >swelling in my joints went away and I had full mobility. Also, the

: >medicinal effects outlasted the high by several hours. Now, I'm looking

: >for some research material to explain why it was so effective but I'm

: >having a difficult time finding any research on the subject. Plenty for

: >chemotherapy, glaucoma...even multiple sclerosis, but not arthritis. Does

: >anyone have any suggestions where I could look for info. 



: Don't know where you could look for info, but I must say that this

: treatment is still a palliative and likely harmful in the long run to

: the condition, like any pain reliever would be - you don't feel the

: pain so you overexert it and cause more damage.   Perhaps the

: vasodilation helps the condition a bit as well, but this is still

: palliative.



: I would more recommend seeing my post called Diet and Supplement Tips

: and following the Stones and Crystals regimen, adding Knox gelatin

: taken twice per day, and also glucosamine sulfate if desired.



: turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Arthritis & Marijuana

From: Creator@IslandNet.com (Matt Elrod)

Date: 20 Nov 1996 18:46:35 -0800



turf@mindspring.com (turf) wrote:

}daliwzrd1@aol.com wrote:

}

}>I have arthritis in both hands and wrists which can be quite painful at

}>times. After eating Advil and asprin like it's candy and wearing wrist

}>supports, I'm able to dull the pain but not eliminate it completely. A

}>friend of mine recently suggested I try marijuana for the pain and I took

}>him up on it. It seemed nothing short of a miracle! The pain vanished, the

}>swelling in my joints went away and I had full mobility. Also, the

}>medicinal effects outlasted the high by several hours. Now, I'm looking

}>for some research material to explain why it was so effective but I'm

}>having a difficult time finding any research on the subject. Plenty for

}>chemotherapy, glaucoma...even multiple sclerosis, but not arthritis. Does

}>anyone have any suggestions where I could look for info.

}

}Don't know where you could look for info, but I must say that this

}treatment is still a palliative and likely harmful in the long run to

}the condition, like any pain reliever would be - you don't feel the

}pain so you overexert it and cause more damage.   Perhaps the

}vasodilation helps the condition a bit as well, but this is still

}palliative.



   Check out Carl Olsen's Medical Marijuana Web Site



   http://www.calyx.com/~olsen/MEDICAL/



   Cannabidiol: The Wonder Drug of the 21st Century?



   The traditional use of Cannabis as an analgesic, anti-asthmatic, and

   anti-rheumatic drug is well established. This British study also

   suggests that cultivation of Cannabis plants rich in Cannabidiol

   (CBD) and other phenolic substances would be useful not only as fiber

   producing plants but also for medicinal purposes in the treatment of

   certain inflammatory disorders.



   CBD was found to be more effective than aspirin as an anti-

   inflammatory agent. "Analgesic and Anti-inflammatory Activity of

   Constituents of Cannabis Sativa L.," E.A. Formukong, A.T. Evans, and

   F.J. Evans, Inflammation, Vol. 4, 1988, pp. 361-371. Cannabidiol,

   CBD, a non-psychoactive cannabinoid of Marijuana, was given to 5

   patients with dystonia disorders. Improvement occurred in all 5

   patients by 20-50%. "Open Label Evaluation of Cannabidiol in Dystonic

   Movement Disorders," Consroe, et al, International Journal of

   Neuroscience, 1986, Vol. 30, pp.277-282.



   Three patients with Huntington's Disease who had been previously

   unresponsive to therapy with neuroleptics, were given Cannabidiol,

   (CBD), a non-psychoactive cannabinoid of Marijuana. After the second

   week improvement in choreic movement occurred by 20-40%. Except for

   transient, mild hypo-tension no side effects were recorded."Effects

   of Cannabidiol in Huntington's Disease," Sandyk, Consroe, Stern, and

   Snider, Neurology, 36 (Suppl. 1) April, 1986, p.342. In this

   Brazilian study of 8 Epileptic patients receiving Cannabidiol, (CBD),

   4 were free of convulsions, 3 had partial improvement, and 1 was

   unchanged. No serious side effects were found. This is quite

   important, as complex partial seizures with secondary generalization

   are difficult to treat with currently used drugs.



   The potential use of CBD as an anti-epileptic drug and its possible

   potentiating effect on other drugs are discussed. "Chronic

   Administration of Cannabidiol to Healthy Volunteers and Epileptic

   Patients," Pharmacology, 21: 1980, J.M. Cunha, et al, pp.175-185.

   Subjects receiving 160 mg. Cannabidiol reported having slept

   significantly more than those receiving placebo; seven out of eight

   epileptics receiving Cannabidiol had improvement of their disease

   state. (Brazil) "Hypnotic and Antiepileptic Effects of Cannabidiol,"

   Carlini, E.A., and Cunha, J.A., Journal of Clinical Pharmacology

   1981: 21: pp. 417S-427S.



   Three patients with TS who experienced incomplete responses to

   conventional anti-TS drugs but noted a significant amelioration of

   symptoms when smoking marijuana. The effects of marijuana on TS may

   be related to its anxiety-reducing properties, although a more

   specific antidyskinetic effect cannot be excluded. Eliminating the

   psychoactive properties of marijuana while retaining the

   antidyskinetic effects (Cannabidiol) could prove beneficial.

   "Marijuana and Tourette's Syndrome," (letter), Sandyk and Awerbuch,

   Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology, Vol. 8, No. 6, Dec. 1988,

   pp.444-5. "Anti-dyskinetic effects of cannabidiol," Conti, L.H.,

   Johannesen, J., Musty, R.E., Consroe, P., Proceedings of the

   International Congress on Marijuana. 1987: 21. Melbourne, Australia.

   This Brazilian study Investigates the possible anti-psychotic

   activity of CBD by studying the effect of this cannabinoid on animal

   models used in research with potential anti-psychotic properties.



   CBD seems to compare favorably with haloperidol as an anti-psychotic.

   "Effects of CBD in animal models predictive of anti-psychotic

   activity," Zuardi, A.W., Rodrigues, J.A., Cunha, J.M.,

   Psychopharmacology 1991: 104: pp. 260-264. CBD blocks some of the

   effects of THC in mice but potentiates some other effects.

   (Brazil)"Pharmacological Interaction between Cannabidiol and

   Tetrahydrocannabinol," Karniol, I.G., Carlini, E.A.,

   Psychopharmacologia 1973: 33: pp. 53-70. CBD was effective in

   blocking most of the effects of THC, increased pulse rate, disturbed

   time tasks, and psychological reactions. CBD also decreased the

   anxiety components of THC. (Brazil) "Cannabidiol Interferes with the

   effects of Tetrahydrocannabinol in Man," Karniol, I.G., Shirakawa,

   I., Kasinski, N., Pfeferman, A., Carlini, E.A., European Journal of

   Pharmacology 1974: 28: pp. 172-177.



   One of the first studies that clearly shows that hemp grown for fiber

   is very low in THC, the psychoactive component that gets people high.

   The drug-type marijuana is very high in THC. Cannabidiol (CBD) which

   is not psychoactive, is very high in fiber-type hemp but low in

   drug-type marijuana. This is important as CBD is known to block the

   effects of THC. This makes the hemp doubly useless for drug effects.

   "Chemistry of Marijuana," Coy Waller. Pharmacological Reviews, Vol.

   23, No. 4, 1971. Wild 'marijuana' growing in Riley County Kansas was

   found to be very low in THC content. (Below the European threshold

   for fiber hemp.) The leaves and flowering tops averaged from

   0.01-0.49% THC with a mean of 0.14% THC. CBD which blocks the

   psychoactive effects of THC was as high as 1.7%. "Seasonal

   Fluctuations in Cannabinoid Content of Kansas Marijuana," R.P. Latta,

   and B.J. Eaton. Economic Botany, 29: April-June, 1975, pp. 153-163.

   Researchers for the Canadian Department of Agriculture tested over

   350 varieties of Cannabis in Ottawa, Ontario.



   They determined that there were two basic types of Cannabis based on

   genetic characteristics: a drug-type which originates in hot climates

   such as India and is high in THC but low in CBD and a fiber-type

   which originates in temperate climates and is low in THC but high in

   CBD and is used industrially for fiber and food. This awareness of

   the separateness of the two phenotypes has vast agronomic potential.

   It means fiber hemp can be grown without the drug effect of

   'marijuana.' "The Evolution of Cannabinoid Phenotypes in Cannabis,"

   Ernest Small, H.D. Beckstead, and Allan Chan, Economic Botany, 29:

   1975, pp. 219-232. Ten mg. of THC is required to get a psychoactive

   effect from 'marijuana.' It would require 50-100 cigarettes of the

   French hemp cultivated for paper to get a psychoactive high. "Paper-

   making type of hemp (Cannabis sativa L.) cultivated in France:

   Constituents compared to those of marijuana," Fournier and Paris,

   (French) Plantes Medicinales et Phytotherapie, Vol. 13(2) April,

   1979, pp. 116-121.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Devil's Claw

From: kloock@students.wisc.edu

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:16:38 +0100



11/14 Pacifica Radio had an interesting broadcast about the benefits 

of DEVIL'S CLAW ROOT. I have found this in a local health-food store 

(Harpagophytum procumbens). But I would like some information on the 

active ingredients, known effects and side-effects. Unfortunately in 

the herbal literature, that I have, it is not listed (probably because 

it is an African plant). Please answer, if you have any info on this 

subject!



Katharina





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,alt.parenting.solutions

Subject: All Natural !=safe (was preventing impetigo)

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 15 Nov 1996 05:49:01 -0700



melissa mcgill <mm12868@wcu.edu> wrote:



>Rob, Bonnie is right. I have found that XXXXX  works wonders 

>! I personally have used it for many skin irritations. It is all 

>natural so there will not be any side effects for giving it a try! 

                          For the zillionth time: 



ALL NATURAL DOESN'T MEAN  FREE OF SIDE EFFECTS!!!!

  

    May I remind y'all that botulin toxin, rattlesnake venom,

oleander leaves, etc.  are all organic and natural and deadly.

You have to approach herbal medicine with the same amount of

caution as you would mainstream medicine.

Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,alt.parenting.solutions

Subject: Re: All Natural !=safe (was preventing impetigo)

From: myers@prairienet.org (Leah J. Myers)

Date: 15 Nov 1996 14:16:28 GMT





Thanks for following up on this.  The product mentioned in the original 

post contains a substance that a medical doctor prescribed for a 

burn (I guess that counts as a skin irritation) but warned me 

against ingesting because it is a heavy metal (or so they say...).

Because impetigo occurs on the face, I would be wary of putting 

anything like this around *my* mouth.



-Leah



Callie (callie@writepage.com) wrote:

: melissa mcgill <mm12868@wcu.edu> wrote:

: 

: >Rob, Bonnie is right. I have found that XXXXX  works wonders 

: >! I personally have used it for many skin irritations. It is all 

: >natural so there will not be any side effects for giving it a try! 

:                           For the zillionth time: 

: 

: ALL NATURAL DOESN'T MEAN  FREE OF SIDE EFFECTS!!!!

:   

:     May I remind y'all that botulin toxin, rattlesnake venom,

: oleander leaves, etc.  are all organic and natural and deadly.

: You have to approach herbal medicine with the same amount of

: caution as you would mainstream medicine.

: Callie

: 

: Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

: http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame

: 

: 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs and Infertility/Endometriosis

From: Annmarie Cahill

Date: 15 Nov 1996 16:13:40 GMT



I am looking for information on herbs and infertility/endometriosis.  Please e-mail me at annc@planet.net if you can point me in the 

right direction.



Thanks.



Annmarie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Annmarie, Cahill

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and Infertility/Endometriosis

From: Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:28:43 -0800



Annmarie, Cahill wrote:

> 

> I am looking for information on herbs and infertility/endometriosis.  Please e-mail me at annc@planet.net if you can point me in the

> right direction.



Check out http://www.meltdown.com  They have info on stuff you are

asking about...



Brightest Blessings

Sunbeam





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Holistic Treatments for Arthritis: PLEASE share your results!

From: asolovyo@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ariadna A Solovyova)

Date: 15 Nov 96 19:05:10 GMT



Dear all,



If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in both

internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in books

and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, -- and I

would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.



Also, if there's a mailing list for arthritis sufferers, I'd be very

thankful for subscription information.



Thank you very much in advance,

Ari





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Holistic Treatments for Arthritis: PLEASE share your results!

From: chetday@concentric.net (Chet Day)

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:41:26 GMT



asolovyo@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ariadna A Solovyova) wrote:



>Dear all,



>If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

>arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in both

>internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in books

>and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, -- and I

>would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.



>Also, if there's a mailing list for arthritis sufferers, I'd be very

>thankful for subscription information.



>Thank you very much in advance,

>Ari



Ari, I personally have had excellent results using the regimen that

follows:



Many people have reported help with many human ailments by spending

some time on a general body detoxication program. Below find such a

detox routine that's been used successfully in England for many years.

Please do check with a nutritionally-oriented health professional

before giving this a try, however.



A Detoxifying Regime

by Dr. Keki Sidwa, N.D., D.O., D.N.H.



I have no doubt in my mind that long fasts have the best results in

chronic ailments. But not many people have the time or inclination nor

the necessary grit and commitment to undertake such a fast. For those

who want to detoxify themselves the following practical suggestions

will go a long way in helping them to detoxify. 



Most people are quite capable of doing a three day water fast. Be sure

to obtain purified water only. During these three days, slow down your

daily activities - specially physical activities. Some may even find

it is better to take to bed and keep warm if the weather is cold. 



After these three days - for one week put yourself on a monotrophic

diet , i.e. eat only one type of fruit at each meal. 



For example: BREAKFAST could be melon only. Eat as much as you like

and feel satisfied that you have had enough. All types of melons are

good. Honeydew, Cantaloupe, Gala or Watermelon. 



LUNCHTIME: Eat only oranges or Pink grapefruit or Pineapples or Plums

whatever you fancy but don't mix the fruits. Eat till hunger is

satisfied. 



4 p.m. Have a large (12 oz.) glass of freshly pressed carrot juice. 



EVENING: Eat only apples, pears, grapes or bananas. Eat only one fruit

at a time and eat till hunger is satisfied. During the week you can

vary daily the fruits you want to eat on that particular day. 



You can resume your household duties or light office work but do not

exert yourself physically. Conserve energy. It is possible that some

of you may feel some reactions, like light headedness, nausea at

times, a little listlessness and feeling of tiredness and mental

irritability. Persevere - Rome wasn't built in a day. After all it

took you years to get into the toxic state that you now find yourself

into. The symptoms will go away eventually. Lots of sleep and rest are

essential at this stage so do not plan any social events. 



After these ten days - I suggest you go for one month on an all raw

food diet as follows: 



BREAKFAST: Fresh fruit only of oranges, kiwi's, pineapple, apple,

plums, pink grapefruit or any other acid fruits. You can now mix the

fruits. Eat enough to satisfy your hunger. Just one orange and one

apple will not be enough. You have to get your calories from the fruit

you eat. 



LUNCH: Eat heartily of grapes, pears, bananas, mangoes, fresh dates,

and with this meal eat a head of lettuce, 1-2 sticks of celery and a

handful of dried raisins or sultanas, or 3-4 dried figs or 10-12 dried

Hunza apricots. 



SNACK: 4 p.m. A large 12 oz glass of freshly squeezed carrot juice. 



EVENING: A large Rainbow salad of grated red cabbage, grated carrots,

grated beetroot, chopped up celery, watercress, cucumber, and red or

green peppers. A dressing could be made as follows: Put 2-3 tomatoes

in the blender, 1 whole peeled large size avocado and a pinch of

marigold bouillon powder and 1 tea spoonful cold pressed linseed oil

or olive oil. Blend the lot and pour it on your Rainbow salad and mix

thoroughly. Enjoy it with some lettuce leaves. To this salad you add 3

ozs of nuts and seeds. Not salted nuts and not peanuts. Brazil,

Cashew, Almonds, Sunflower seeds, Pumpkin seeds. Whatever you fancy.

Chew well or grind the nuts dry and sprinkle on the Rainbow salad or

put ground nuts in a blender, add just a little water and make it into

nut cream. 



On such a regime - if you have not cheated in between - at the end of

that month you will feel cleaner, fitter, a little slimmer and more

energetic with the added bonus of some of your symptoms disappearing.

No cooked food should be eaten. Full activity can be resumed on this

raw diet. This regime has worked on thousands of cases. 



The choice is yours. Remember no one can cure you. Your own body,

given the opportunity will rebuild itself.





Chet Day

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Holistic Treatments for Arthritis: PLEASE share your results!

From: Jim Barron <jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:58:27 -0500



Chet Day wrote:

> 

> asolovyo@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ariadna A Solovyova) wrote:

> 

> >Dear all,

> 

> >If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

> >arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in both

> >internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in books

> >and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, -- and I

> >would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.

> 

> >Also, if there's a mailing list for arthritis sufferers, I'd be very

> >thankful for subscription information.

> 

> >Thank you very much in advance,

> >Ari

> 



Some (certainly by no means all!) joint problems can be caused by iron

overload - a potentially disabling and eventually fatal conditon which

can be 100% prevented if identified and treated early and can usually be

stabilized (if it has not progressed to hepatoma or severe liver damage)

or at least partially reversed in later stages.   Screening for this is

simple and inexpensive:  



Measure SI (serum iron) and TIBC (Total Iron Binding Capacity) 



Mathematically divide TIBC into SI Normal value 12-45% 



Measure serum ferritin. Normal value: 5-150 (Labs vary. Most set normal

limits too high) 



If you test high: begin treatment If you test low: you must search for

(1) chronic internal blood loss (ulcers?) (2) tumor (3)

infection   (From:  http://www.emi.net/~iron_iod/    go there for more

info on iron overload)



Arthropathy is often the first symptom of iron overload.  For

arthropathies caused by iron overload, REMOVAL of excess iron is the

ONLY way to halt progression (and, in some cases, achieve reversal  -  

In my case I could not remain standing for more than 30 minutes.   Now I

can do stepII aerobics with the best of them.)



A "gray" or "bronze" colored skin even in areas not exposed to sun is a

sign of ADVANCED iron overload.   Consistently elevated serum iron

saturation (over 50%) is one of the earliest signs.   Slight elevation

of some liver enzymes is another (some or all of alk phos, sgot, etc)



VERY IMPORTANT:   If you are determined to have iron overload (MRI *or*

phlebotomy to depletion IF screening is positive) it is VITAL to screen

close blood relatives (parents, *siblings*, children etc.)   This may

SAVE LIVES.



Iron overload is GROSSLY UNDERDIAGNOSED in the US - screenings have

CONSISTENTLY indicated that about 90% are undiagnosed.   The typical

diagnosed pateient has been thru a long string of doctors for many years

before being FINALLY correctly diagnosed.   This sort of thing is all

too common in the US (celiac disease is ALSO 90% undiagnosed, etc. etc.)



Good luck

*Always* check out what your doctor says.  Misdiagnosis is far more

common in the US than is generally appreciated.



jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com









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From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)

Date: 17 Nov 1996 07:32:31 GMT



In <328DD693.3E03@cphl.mindspring.com> Jim Barron

<jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com> writes: 



>VERY IMPORTANT:   If you are determined to have iron overload (MRI

*or*

>phlebotomy to depletion IF screening is positive) it is VITAL to

screen

>close blood relatives 





   "MRI"  ?????  I wasn't aware that MRI was good enough to tell liver

overload from non-overload.  SQID (superconducting quantum interference

device) "scanning" perhaps, but not MRI.  I would think actually that a

plan CT scan would have a better chance of detecting liver iron

overload.



                                      Steve Harris, M.D.





                                          Steve Harris, M.D.





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Subject: Re: Holistic Treatments for Arthritis: PLEASE share your results!

From: Jim Barron <jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:26:11 -0500



Steven B. Harris wrote:

> 

> In <328DD693.3E03@cphl.mindspring.com> Jim Barron

> <jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com> writes:

> 

> >VERY IMPORTANT:   If you are determined to have iron overload (MRI

> *or*

> >phlebotomy to depletion IF screening is positive) it is VITAL to

> screen

> >close blood relatives

> 

>    "MRI"  ?????  I wasn't aware that MRI was good enough to tell liver

> overload from non-overload.  SQID (superconducting quantum interference

> device) "scanning" perhaps, but not MRI.  I would think actually that a

> plan CT scan would have a better chance of detecting liver iron

> overload.

> 

>                                       Steve Harris, M.D.

> 

>                                           Steve Harris, M.D.



MRI is not good enough to distinguish SLIGHTLY elevated iron stores nor

is it good enough for accurate quantification, but it can readily

distinguish markedly elevated iron stores (as are often present in iron

overload).   My overload was enough to require the removal of 28 units

of blood to deplete.  At an estimated 200 to 250 mg/unit that's

equivalent to roughly 5.6 to 7 grams of iron.  Normal stores require

about 4 to 5 units of blood to deplete (about 1 gram of iron).   My load

was enough to completely black out the image of the liver on the MRI.  

Liver biopsy unequivacobly confirmed the marked overload.   (Some

long-term cases of hemochromatosis (iron overload)may require the

removal of over 40 grams of iron.)  Even my mere 5 to 7 grams was enough

to cause serious problems going thru an airport metcal detector (after

removing ALL pocket contents, belt, shoes, watch (nothing left but

pants, shirt, socks & tie) and STILL setting off the alarum I was afraid

I was going to be strip searched or worse!  The overload was not

diagnosed at the time so I did not know what the problem was.



I opted out of a scan because I make a practice of keeping radiation

exposure to an absolute minimum.   (I still remember with horror my

childhood when shoe stores used to carry Z-ray machines (then probably

requiring much more radiation than todays!) that you could stand on and

look at the image of you foot bones in the outline of your shoes.  

While the X-rays shot straight up into your genetic material!)



jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com









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From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)

Date: 18 Nov 1996 08:23:33 GMT



In <328FD753.2313@cphl.mindspring.com> Jim Barron

<jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com> writes: 

>

>Steven B. Harris wrote:

>> 

>> In <328DD693.3E03@cphl.mindspring.com> Jim Barron

>> <jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com> writes:

>> 

>> >VERY IMPORTANT:   If you are determined to have iron overload (MRI

>> *or*

>> >phlebotomy to depletion IF screening is positive) it is VITAL to

>> screen

>> >close blood relatives

>> 

>>    "MRI"  ?????  I wasn't aware that MRI was good enough to tell

liver

>> overload from non-overload.  SQID (superconducting quantum

interference

>> device) "scanning" perhaps, but not MRI.  I would think actually

that a

>> plan CT scan would have a better chance of detecting liver iron

>> overload.

>> 

>>                                       Steve Harris, M.D.

>> 

>>                                           Steve Harris, M.D.

>

>MRI is not good enough to distinguish SLIGHTLY elevated iron stores

nor

>is it good enough for accurate quantification, but it can readily

>distinguish markedly elevated iron stores (as are often present in

iron

>overload).   My overload was enough to require the removal of 28 units

>of blood to deplete.  At an estimated 200 to 250 mg/unit that's

>equivalent to roughly 5.6 to 7 grams of iron.  Normal stores require

>about 4 to 5 units of blood to deplete (about 1 gram of iron).   My

load

>was enough to completely black out the image of the liver on the MRI. 



>Liver biopsy unequivacobly confirmed the marked overload.   (Some

>long-term cases of hemochromatosis (iron overload)may require the

>removal of over 40 grams of iron.)  Even my mere 5 to 7 grams was

enough

>to cause serious problems going thru an airport metcal detector (after

>removing ALL pocket contents, belt, shoes, watch (nothing left but

>pants, shirt, socks & tie) and STILL setting off the alarum I was

afraid

>I was going to be strip searched or worse!  The overload was not

>diagnosed at the time so I did not know what the problem was.

>

>I opted out of a scan because I make a practice of keeping radiation

>exposure to an absolute minimum.   (I still remember with horror my

>childhood when shoe stores used to carry Z-ray machines (then probably

>requiring much more radiation than todays!) that you could stand on

and

>look at the image of you foot bones in the outline of your shoes.  

>While the X-rays shot straight up into your genetic material!)

>

>jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com

>

>







I still think you're confusing the two scans.  MRI provides no

radiation (unless you count a magnetic field).  It's CT that gives you

radiation.  Was your scan noisy, like being inside a washing machine or

a working auto engine?  That was MRI, then.  Was there a strong

magnetic field that they made you remove all iron and credit cards for?



                                         Steve Harris, M.D.





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From: Jim Barron <jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:55:40 -0500



Steven B. Harris wrote:

> 

> In <328FD753.2313@cphl.mindspring.com> Jim Barron

> <jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com> writes:

> >

> >Steven B. Harris wrote:

> >>

> >> In <328DD693.3E03@cphl.mindspring.com> Jim Barron

> >> <jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com> writes:

> >>

> >> >VERY IMPORTANT:   If you are determined to have iron overload (MRI

> >> *or*

> >> >phlebotomy to depletion IF screening is positive) it is VITAL to

> >> screen

> >> >close blood relatives

> >>

> >>    "MRI"  ?????  I wasn't aware that MRI was good enough to tell

> liver

> >> overload from non-overload.  SQID (superconducting quantum

> interference

> >> device) "scanning" perhaps, but not MRI.  I would think actually

> that a

> >> plan CT scan would have a better chance of detecting liver iron

> >> overload.

> >>

> >>                                       Steve Harris, M.D.

> >>

> >>                                           Steve Harris, M.D.

> >

> >MRI is not good enough to distinguish SLIGHTLY elevated iron stores

> nor

> >is it good enough for accurate quantification, but it can readily

> >distinguish markedly elevated iron stores (as are often present in

> iron

> >overload).   My overload was enough to require the removal of 28 units

> >of blood to deplete.  At an estimated 200 to 250 mg/unit that's

> >equivalent to roughly 5.6 to 7 grams of iron.  Normal stores require

> >about 4 to 5 units of blood to deplete (about 1 gram of iron).   My

> load

> >was enough to completely black out the image of the liver on the MRI.

> 

> >Liver biopsy unequivacobly confirmed the marked overload.   (Some

> >long-term cases of hemochromatosis (iron overload)may require the

> >removal of over 40 grams of iron.)  Even my mere 5 to 7 grams was

> enough

> >to cause serious problems going thru an airport metcal detector (after

> >removing ALL pocket contents, belt, shoes, watch (nothing left but

> >pants, shirt, socks & tie) and STILL setting off the alarum I was

> afraid

> >I was going to be strip searched or worse!  The overload was not

> >diagnosed at the time so I did not know what the problem was.

> >

> >I opted out of a scan because I make a practice of keeping radiation

> >exposure to an absolute minimum.   (I still remember with horror my

> >childhood when shoe stores used to carry Z-ray machines (then probably

> >requiring much more radiation than todays!) that you could stand on

> and

> >look at the image of you foot bones in the outline of your shoes.

> >While the X-rays shot straight up into your genetic material!)

> >

> >jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com

> >

> >

> 

> I still think you're confusing the two scans.  MRI provides no

> radiation (unless you count a magnetic field).  It's CT that gives you

> radiation.  Was your scan noisy, like being inside a washing machine or

> a working auto engine?  That was MRI, then.  Was there a strong

> magnetic field that they made you remove all iron and credit cards for?

> 

>                                          Steve Harris, M.D.



I really should have worded it more clearly. Sorry.  What I HAD **was**

an MRI  (It is routinely used for checking for iron overload because it

readily detects iron in amounts that, while excessive enough to indicate

overloading, are not yet excessive to have already caused permanent

damage to the liver.  I mentioned that MRI's (at least back when I had

mine) could not detect SLIGHT overloads and were not good enough for

quantification for the sake of accuracy and to avoid giving anyone the

wrong impression.



Believe me, I KNOW what proceedure I had!  I would never undergo ANY

hospital proceedure without thoroughly researching it beforehand so I

could understand it and ask appropriate questions, check up on what was

happening, etc.   (If it makes it easier for you to belive, they did the

traditional "cutesy" stunt of having the machine pull a wrench held on a

rope horizontal)



I am also certain because, as is my standard practice, I have copies of

the pathologist's report (clearly labeled MRI) and the ACUTAL FILMS -

which I keep in my personal possession because some hospitals discard

films and X-rays routinely after a given number of years (to save

storage) or even shread them (and records) to protect themselves (as the

NCSU student infirmary did to mine - didn't do them any good as,

unbeknownst to them, I already had copies).



This IS America - in unusual times unusual methods may be necessary. 

Unusual but it WORKED and enabled me to finally obtain proper diagnosis

and treatment from which I otherwise would have been blocked.



jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com



patients are getting smarter every year.









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Subject: Re: Holistic Treatments for Arthritis: PLEASE share your results!

From: thetasig@ix.netcom.com (Theta Sigma)

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 05:40:57 GMT



On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 07:41:26 GMT, chetday@concentric.net (Chet Day)

wrote:



[snip]

>Ari, I personally have had excellent results using the regimen that

>follows:

>

[snip]

>Most people are quite capable of doing a three day water fast. Be sure

>to obtain purified water only. During these three days, slow down your

>daily activities - specially physical activities. Some may even find

>it is better to take to bed and keep warm if the weather is cold. 

>

>After these three days - for one week put yourself on a monotrophic

>diet , i.e. eat only one type of fruit at each meal. 

>

[snip]



Ayurvedic treatment, in cases of severe toxicity or disease, has

sometimes recommended rice gruel (well cooked and watery) for an

extended diet of 30 days or so after purgation herbs have been

administered to clean out the digestive tract.  Sounds a bit strong

and yes, it is a bit strong and it is difficult to maintain such a

diet for 30 days - but not all that hard either.  Just don't accept

inviations to dinner at friends during that time  :-)



The rice would be the *only* food eaten for those 30 days which would

allow the body to clean itself out.  I have tried this regimen (for

other toxic symptoms than arthritis) and it works remarkably well.  I

have used it also when I am not "sick" or ailing.  It also allows the

body to shed weight slowly back to it's "set point" or [more-or-less]

ideal point.  And it allows the digestive "fire" to improve making a

transition to a regular diet (after the 30 days) much easier.



Chinese herbal therapy and accupunture specialists also recognize that

a simple diet of vegetables and brown rice (also well cooked) has

similar effects of detoxification and weight loss.  One of the keys is

not to eat any sugar during the diet, rather let the body use the

carbohydrates in the rice and fiber in the vegetables (and all of the

other good things in those foods) to allow the body to work its own

"magic."  



It should be obvious that the food, in this case, should be plain and

unadorned with any condiments save a small amount of spice.  I use a

small amount of sea salt, black pepper, sometimes cardamom, etc.,

never butter or oil.



I would also like to point out that cantaloupe melon or "honey dew"

melon ideally should be eaten as a solitary food and, IMHO, should

never be mixed with other foods as it interferes with digestion in a

pronounced way. (this has nothing to do with the diet but it was

mentioned in a previous post.)



I think many people interested  in herbal therapy agree, in principle,

that arthritis is a condition where the body immune system attacks the

excess toxins within the body which have a tendency to settle in the

joints.  Getting rid of the toxins by any and all means should be the

first priority.  Any treatment which does not address this important

point will just mask the underlying problem.  Anti-inflamatory agents

and pain killers, for example,  temporarily mask the toxins' effects

(of inflamation and pain) but do not rid the body of them nor do they

stop the body from attacking and slowing destroying the joint areas

surrounding the toxins.



In good health!



-=theta=-







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Subject: Re: Holistic Treatments for Arthritis: PLEASE share your results!

From: "David Holliday" <holliday@empire.net>

Date: 27 Nov 1996 02:23:08 GMT



Take one tablespoon of flaxseed oil two to three times per day before or

with meals (this makes the biggest difference and should make a noticeable

difference in a few days).  Take alfalfa tablets, two or three after each

meal.  Take a garlic tablet once per day.  All of these items can be

purchased at your local health food store and are good for you even if you

have no problems.

-David





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From: (Rare Digital Books)

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:44:44 GMT



There was this guy sitting behind some elderly gals in this resturant.

One gal says, Harriet, my arthritis is sure bothering me today in my

hips. Harriet speaks up, Mable, mine is acting up terrible too. I

think it is the weather we are having.

This guy stands up and states; Yea I know those Ritis boys, heck ol

art will go to bed with anybody. (~;









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From: mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:31:57 -0700



Chet (and Ari)

	Totally agree with your comments on the necessity of detox as the 

foundation for almost any one and any condition.  

HOWEVER,  do question whether someone living in Indiana should have only 

non- cooked foods in winter.  It could be too debilitating with the cold 

weather.  I would suggest eating some cooked vegetables, simple vegetable 

soups and including some light herbal teas.

    

Jane 



On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, Chet Day wrote:



> asolovyo@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ariadna A Solovyova) wrote:

> 

> >Dear all,

> 

> >If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

> >arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in both

> >internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in books

> >and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, -- and I

> >would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.

> 

> >Also, if there's a mailing list for arthritis sufferers, I'd be very

> >thankful for subscription information.

> 

> >Thank you very much in advance,

> >Ari

> 

> Ari, I personally have had excellent results using the regimen that

> follows:

> 

> Many people have reported help with many human ailments by spending

> some time on a general body detoxication program. Below find such a

> detox routine that's been used successfully in England for many years.

> Please do check with a nutritionally-oriented health professional

> before giving this a try, however.

> 

> A Detoxifying Regime

> by Dr. Keki Sidwa, N.D., D.O., D.N.H.

> 

> I have no doubt in my mind that long fasts have the best results in

> chronic ailments. But not many people have the time or inclination nor

> the necessary grit and commitment to undertake such a fast. For those

> who want to detoxify themselves the following practical suggestions

> will go a long way in helping them to detoxify. 

> 

> Most people are quite capable of doing a three day water fast. Be sure

> to obtain purified water only. During these three days, slow down your

> daily activities - specially physical activities. Some may even find

> it is better to take to bed and keep warm if the weather is cold. 

> 

> After these three days - for one week put yourself on a monotrophic

> diet , i.e. eat only one type of fruit at each meal. 

> 

> For example: BREAKFAST could be melon only. Eat as much as you like

> and feel satisfied that you have had enough. All types of melons are

> good. Honeydew, Cantaloupe, Gala or Watermelon. 

> 

> LUNCHTIME: Eat only oranges or Pink grapefruit or Pineapples or Plums

> whatever you fancy but don't mix the fruits. Eat till hunger is

> satisfied. 

> 

> 4 p.m. Have a large (12 oz.) glass of freshly pressed carrot juice. 

> 

> EVENING: Eat only apples, pears, grapes or bananas. Eat only one fruit

> at a time and eat till hunger is satisfied. During the week you can

> vary daily the fruits you want to eat on that particular day. 

> 

> You can resume your household duties or light office work but do not

> exert yourself physically. Conserve energy. It is possible that some

> of you may feel some reactions, like light headedness, nausea at

> times, a little listlessness and feeling of tiredness and mental

> irritability. Persevere - Rome wasn't built in a day. After all it

> took you years to get into the toxic state that you now find yourself

> into. The symptoms will go away eventually. Lots of sleep and rest are

> essential at this stage so do not plan any social events. 

> 

> After these ten days - I suggest you go for one month on an all raw

> food diet as follows: 

> 

> BREAKFAST: Fresh fruit only of oranges, kiwi's, pineapple, apple,

> plums, pink grapefruit or any other acid fruits. You can now mix the

> fruits. Eat enough to satisfy your hunger. Just one orange and one

> apple will not be enough. You have to get your calories from the fruit

> you eat. 

> 

> LUNCH: Eat heartily of grapes, pears, bananas, mangoes, fresh dates,

> and with this meal eat a head of lettuce, 1-2 sticks of celery and a

> handful of dried raisins or sultanas, or 3-4 dried figs or 10-12 dried

> Hunza apricots. 

> 

> SNACK: 4 p.m. A large 12 oz glass of freshly squeezed carrot juice. 

> 

> EVENING: A large Rainbow salad of grated red cabbage, grated carrots,

> grated beetroot, chopped up celery, watercress, cucumber, and red or

> green peppers. A dressing could be made as follows: Put 2-3 tomatoes

> in the blender, 1 whole peeled large size avocado and a pinch of

> marigold bouillon powder and 1 tea spoonful cold pressed linseed oil

> or olive oil. Blend the lot and pour it on your Rainbow salad and mix

> thoroughly. Enjoy it with some lettuce leaves. To this salad you add 3

> ozs of nuts and seeds. Not salted nuts and not peanuts. Brazil,

> Cashew, Almonds, Sunflower seeds, Pumpkin seeds. Whatever you fancy.

> Chew well or grind the nuts dry and sprinkle on the Rainbow salad or

> put ground nuts in a blender, add just a little water and make it into

> nut cream. 

> 

> On such a regime - if you have not cheated in between - at the end of

> that month you will feel cleaner, fitter, a little slimmer and more

> energetic with the added bonus of some of your symptoms disappearing.

> No cooked food should be eaten. Full activity can be resumed on this

> raw diet. This regime has worked on thousands of cases. 

> 

> The choice is yours. Remember no one can cure you. Your own body,

> given the opportunity will rebuild itself.

> 

> 

> Chet Day

> Editor, Health & Beyond

> ====================

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> HEALTH TIP Newsletter, packed with natural health and

> living food information, type SUBSCRIBE TIP in an email

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> 

> 

> 





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From: tm@digital.net

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:54:28 -0500



In article <328CFE7E.4E39@airmail.net>, Tom Nuckels <newsnet1@airmail.net>

wrote:



> Ariadna A Solovyova wrote:

> > 

> > Dear all,

> > 

> > If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

> > arthritis, please tell me what results you got! 

> > Thank you very much in advance,

> > Ari

> 

> Have you heard about the new product Lyprinol?  It is a natural extract 

> (not a drug) that was the result of a 25 year research project.  It is 

> reported to be extremely effective.  It reduces both inflammation and pain.

> A friend of mine tried it and said it is amazing how it reduced his pain.

> 

> Tom

> 

> http://www.worldprofit.com/health/mblpls.htm



You can use a lot of the anti-inflammatory herbs for arthritis. Such as

Devil's Claw, Alfalfa, Feverfew, Meadowsweet, Etc. These herbs blended in

combinationwill help a lot. Especially the Devil's Claw which is

specificaly for Gout, Rheumatism, And Arthritis. Give it a shot.

Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net





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Subject: Re: Holistic Treatments for Arthritis: PLEASE share your results!

From: Bill McKenna <BMcKenna@mint.net>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 12:13:20 -0500



Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha wrote:

> 

> Ariadna A Solovyova wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

> > arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in both

> > internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in books

> > and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, -- and I

> > would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.

> >

> > Also, if there's a mailing list for arthritis sufferers, I'd be very

> > thankful for subscription information.

> >

> > Thank you very much in advance,

> > Ari

> 

> The best Ayurvedic herbs for arthritis are the different gugguls. They

> are used according to ones constitution (dosha); yogaraj guggul- Vayu or

> Vata; kaishore guggul for Pitta; pure guggul for Kapha.

>   Mahanarayan oil applied externally removes pain for several hours and

> helps to break up arthritis.

>   Avoiding meats are also helpful

> 

> We have helped many people with these therapies

> 

> For more info see http://www.holistic.com/listings/11709ac1.html or

> email me for free Ayurveda catalog



9/1/96 Anals of Internal Medicine: Low intake of Vit D = 3X more likely

to have worsening arthritis



9/9/94 Havard Med School: Chicken Protein supplemenation @ 1 tsp/d =

pain gone @ 10 days// max function @ 90 days.



FWIW



Bill









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From: aflach@azstarnet.com (Andy F.)

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:01:40 GMT



Bill McKenna <BMcKenna@mint.net> wrote:



>9/1/96 Anals of Internal Medicine: Low intake of Vit D = 3X more likely

>to have worsening arthritis



>9/9/94 Havard Med School: Chicken Protein supplemenation @ 1 tsp/d =

>pain gone @ 10 days// max function @ 90 days.



>FWIW



>Bill



Hey Bill, could you expand on those abbreviated cites?  They sound

like interesting articles. Maybe you could post the abstracts?









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From: dunns@h2net.net (Stephen Dunn)

Date: 21 Nov 1996 08:59:43 -0700



In article <56tl72$m79@news.azstarnet.com>,

Andy F. <aflach@azstarnet.com> wrote:

:Bill McKenna <BMcKenna@mint.net> wrote:

:

:>9/1/96 Anals of Internal Medicine: Low intake of Vit D = 3X more likely

:>to have worsening arthritis

:

:>9/9/94 Havard Med School: Chicken Protein supplemenation @ 1 tsp/d =

:>pain gone @ 10 days// max function @ 90 days.

:

:>FWIW

:

:>Bill

:

:Hey Bill, could you expand on those abbreviated cites?  They sound

:like interesting articles. Maybe you could post the abstracts?



I believe the research on chicken was chicken cartilage - sounded

promising to me but I haven't heard much since the initial report. JF

Prudden, MD reported in the 1970s (Seminars in Arthritis and Rheumatism,

Summer 1974) that bovine cartilage had beneficial effects in arthritis and

a variety of other autoimmune disease. 



                  -Steve Dunn





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From: goodrick@bcm.tmc.edu (Ken Goodrick)

Date: 17 Nov 1996 22:44:47 GMT



Ariadna A Solovyova (asolovyo@copper.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:

: Dear all,



: If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

: arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in both

: internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in books

: and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, -- and I

: would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.



: Also, if there's a mailing list for arthritis sufferers, I'd be very

: thankful for subscription information.



: Thank you very much in advance,

: Ari

Glucosamine sulfate supplementation has been shown to be effective in 

reducing swelling and pain in arthritis, according to well-controlled 

research in Europe.







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From: sharkm@ix.netcom.com(Mary L. Sharkey)

Date: 18 Nov 1996 00:39:38 GMT



In <56o4gv$d7i@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> goodrick@bcm.tmc.edu (Ken Goodrick)

writes: 

>

>Ariadna A Solovyova (asolovyo@copper.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:

>: Dear all,

>

>: If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

>: arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in

both

>: internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in

books

>: and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, --

and I

>: would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.

>

>: Also, if there's a mailing list for arthritis sufferers, I'd be very

>: thankful for subscription information.

>

>: Thank you very much in advance,

>: Ari

>

  I have found that taking a daily vitamin and then taking extra C and

B complex vitamins helps a lot.  You need to be careful not to over

load on Bs.  I also continue to take the plaquenil and cataflam. 





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From: Jim Barron <jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:32:52 -0500



Mary L. Sharkey wrote:

> 

> In <56o4gv$d7i@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> goodrick@bcm.tmc.edu (Ken Goodrick)

> writes:

> >

> >Ariadna A Solovyova (asolovyo@copper.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:

> >: Dear all,

> >

> >: If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

> >: arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in

> both

> >: internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in

> books

> >: and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, --

> and I

> >: would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.

> >

> >: Also, if there's a mailing list for arthritis sufferers, I'd be very

> >: thankful for subscription information.

> >

> >: Thank you very much in advance,

> >: Ari

> >

>   I have found that taking a daily vitamin and then taking extra C and

> B complex vitamins helps a lot.  You need to be careful not to over

> load on Bs.  I also continue to take the plaquenil and cataflam.



I am curious as to the nature of your concern with overload of B's.   I

was required (by a massive deficiency and malabsorption syndrome) to

take VERY large doses for years.  The only problem I had was that taking

them with meals at times (not always, depending on other factors) would

would somewhat predispose me to get an imbalance of intestinal flora. 

This problem was readily avoided by taking the B's on an empty stomach.



All of the scientific literature I searched on B's indicated that they

were, as far as was then known (about 8 years ago) non-toxic even in

VERY large doses - except for a tendecy to cause imbalances if

UNBALANCED (single vitamin) supplements were taken in large doses.)



I would very much likely to know if this picture has changed.  Or if

some conditions make one susceptible to problems with B's.



jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com









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From: aflach@azstarnet.com (Andy F.)

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 01:02:18 GMT



goodrick@bcm.tmc.edu (Ken Goodrick) wrote:



>Glucosamine sulfate supplementation has been shown to be effective in 

>reducing swelling and pain in arthritis, according to well-controlled 

>research in Europe.



Do you have a cite to the article?











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From: cbach@arizona.edu (cheryl )

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 08:48:58 -0700





i have rheum arthritis...suffered for years...until i stopped eating

wheat...turns out i have a gluten allergy...my body is responding very

nicely to my  non-gluten (wheat) diet - been on it for 4 months and still

eliminating the toxins out of my body...



arthritis is an overactive immune system disease...wheat is very hard on

one's immune system



i'm still taking my herbs - to repair the joint damage 

cat's claw first thing in the morning (on an empty stomach)

lunchtime- wonderful multiple vitamin, feverfew

nighttime - yucca and valerian root



i haven't felt this good in years



and for when i over do - i use topical 'tiger's balm' on my sore joints



hope this has helped you...cheryl  



In article <asolovyo.848084710@copper>, asolovyo@copper.ucs.indiana.edu

(Ariadna A Solovyova) wrote:



*Dear all,

*

*If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

*arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in both

*internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in books

*and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, -- and I

*would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.

*

*Also, if there's a mailing list for arthritis sufferers, I'd be very

*thankful for subscription information.

*

*Thank you very much in advance,

*Ari

-- 

cbach@arizona.edu

cheryl bach

university of arizona

***all my relations***





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Subject: Re: Holistic Treatments for Arthritis: PLEASE share your results!

From: Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:42:13 -0800



cheryl wrote:

 

> i'm still taking my herbs - to repair the joint damage

> cat's claw first thing in the morning (on an empty stomach)

> lunchtime- wonderful multiple vitamin, feverfew

> nighttime - yucca and valerian root



I'd be careful with valerian root.  I've heard that you should take it 2

weeks at most and then go off of it for at least a week or it can  build

up toxically in the body and it is also addictive.



Brightest Blessings

Sunbeam





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From: ellen@hyperback.com (Ellen Chait Olhsson)

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:57:14 -0800



Ariadna, this is odd for me to say, since the arthritis I've suffered from

since childhood lead me to a life of little exercise, but I've never found

any supplement as effective as regularly participating in the Arthritis

Foundations's aquatic exercise program. I've done it for two years now and

I have more flexibility and less inflammation than I've have most of my

life. 



I tried Kombucha tea a few years ago and it seemed to help the arthritis

but it's very sugary and I stopped using it when I was diagnosed with

diabetes. 



Good luck.



In article <asolovyo.848084710@copper>, asolovyo@copper.ucs.indiana.edu

(Ariadna A Solovyova) wrote:



> Dear all,

> 

> If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

> arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in both

> internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in books

> and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, -- and I

> would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.

...> Ari





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Subject: Re: Holistic Treatments for Arthritis: PLEASE share your results!

From: Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:40:07 -0800



Ariadna A Solovyova wrote:

 

> If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

> arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in both

> internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in books

> and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, -- and I

> would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.



Merry Meet!

	Here are a few things my boyfriend has done for his arthritis.

1) Soak white raisins in gin for at least a week until the gin

evaporates.  Then eat 3-9 raisins a day



2) Get Apple Cider vinegar and put a capful in a glass of water and

drink mixture 3 times a day.



The latter he just tried and it worked very well and didn't take too

long to work.  Hope this helps



Brightest blessings

Sunbeam





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From: Jim Barron <jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:07:24 -0500



Sunbeam wrote:

> 

> Ariadna A Solovyova wrote:

> 

> > If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

> > arthritis, please tell me what results you got! I'm interested in both

> > internal and topical treatments. I've seen many things mentioned in books

> > and catalogs: burdock, shark cartilage, boswellin, noni, bananas, -- and I

> > would really like to know if any of them have helped someone.

> 

> Merry Meet!

>         Here are a few things my boyfriend has done for his arthritis.

> 1) Soak white raisins in gin for at least a week until the gin

> evaporates.  Then eat 3-9 raisins a day

> 

> 2) Get Apple Cider vinegar and put a capful in a glass of water and

> drink mixture 3 times a day.

> 

> The latter he just tried and it worked very well and didn't take too

> long to work.  Hope this helps

> 

> Brightest blessings

> Sunbeam



My mother uses the "gin raisins"  and raves about how well they work.

She uses 7/day.



jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com









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From: awouk@ra.nilenet.com (Arthur Wouk)

Date: 21 Nov 1996 18:59:52 -0700



In article <329275EC.287B@cphl.mindspring.com!,

Jim Barron  <jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com! wrote:

...

!

!My mother uses the "gin raisins"  and raves about how well they work.

!She uses 7/day.

!

!jdbarron@cphl.mindspring.com

!

!



just buy her a case of gin!



-- 

arthur wouk                     **********Hail*Dogbert*****

			Nov Shmoz Ka Pop





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From: gmc0@ix.netcom.com (George M. Carter)

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:14:27 GMT



Sunbeam wrote:



>> 1) Soak white raisins in gin for at least a week until the gin

>> evaporates.  Then eat 3-9 raisins a day



Sorry to bust your bubble, but as I understand it, this treatment was

made up by some fellow. It is a complete fabrication.

 

>> 2) Get Apple Cider vinegar and put a capful in a glass of water and

>> drink mixture 3 times a day.



Why?



		George M. Carter









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From: Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 16:40:40 -0800



George M. Carter wrote:

> 

> Sunbeam wrote:

> 

> >> 1) Soak white raisins in gin for at least a week until the gin

> >> evaporates.  Then eat 3-9 raisins a day

> 

> Sorry to bust your bubble, but as I understand it, this treatment was

> made up by some fellow. It is a complete fabrication.



I hate to burst your bubble, but the remedy actually works..ask someone

who could hardly move his hands and fingers who tried this...I wouldn't

have posted it if i didn't KNOW it would work...

 

> >> 2) Get Apple Cider vinegar and put a capful in a glass of water and

> >> drink mixture 3 times a day.

> 

> Why?



When it works, why ask why??  Basically, it's rebalancing the acid

levels in your body...



Sunbeam the SunGoddess

http://www.osb.net/users/sunbeam/default.htm





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From: ebear@laplaza.org (Eric Bear Albrecht)

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:54:56 -0800



George M. Carter <gmc0@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



> Sunbeam wrote:

>  

> >> 2) Get Apple Cider vinegar and put a capful in a glass of water and

> >> drink mixture 3 times a day.

> 

> Why?

> 



Why not?  Actually cider vinegar / honey / water in proportions 

of 1:1:4 is a great tonic, "good fer what ails ye" as me granny

useta say.  



-- 

"I'm not a member of any organized political group --

 I'm a Democrat."          -- Will Rogers



Eric Bear Albrecht       ebear@presto.com / ebear@laplaza.org





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From: jstanley@gate.net (John A. Stanley)

Date: 27 Nov 1996 12:25:07 -0500



In article <19961126235456203424@[10.0.2.15]>,

ebear@laplaza.org (Eric Bear Albrecht) wrote:

>George M. Carter <gmc0@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>

>> Sunbeam wrote:

>>  

>> >> 2) Get Apple Cider vinegar and put a capful in a glass of water and

>> >> drink mixture 3 times a day.

>> 

>> Why?

>> 

>

>Why not?  Actually cider vinegar / honey / water in proportions 

>of 1:1:4 is a great tonic, "good fer what ails ye" as me granny

>useta say.  



And I imagine that the cider vinegar in your granny's day was raw and

unfiltered like the stuff found in health food stores, not the clear

dead stuff in supermarkets.



-- 

John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net



        "Hey! You got your razor in my wager!"





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From: ebear@laplaza.org (Eric Bear Albrecht)

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:11:09 -0800



John A. Stanley <jstanley@gate.net> wrote:

> ebear@laplaza.org (Eric Bear Albrecht) wrote:

...

> >Why not?  Actually cider vinegar / honey / water in proportions 

> >of 1:1:4 is a great tonic, "good fer what ails ye" as me granny

> >useta say.  

> 

> And I imagine that the cider vinegar in your granny's day was raw and

> unfiltered like the stuff found in health food stores, not the clear

> dead stuff in supermarkets.

>

> John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net

> 

>         "Hey! You got your razor in my wager!"



I suppose.  I might clarify here that while my granny used to use 

that phrase, I don't have any recollection of what she used it about.  



Some things in supermarkets are deader than others; my guess is that

cider vinegar is still in fairly good shape.



-- 



Eric Bear Albrecht       ebear@presto.com / ebear@laplaza.org



          "Your karma ran over my dogma"







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From: fvuotto@laplaza.org (Frank Vuotto)

Date: 27 Nov 1996 18:39:35 -0700



>Why not?  Actually cider vinegar / honey / water in proportions

>of 1:1:4 is a great tonic, "good fer what ails ye" as me granny

>useta say.

>

>Eric Bear Albrecht



It goes back even further than Bear's granny.



In 400 B.C. Hippocrates treated patients with apple cider vinegar for

its powerful cleansing qualities. It's a naturally occurint antibiotic

and antiseptic.



Frank  /~

     @/











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From: bratliff@anet-dfw.com (Bob Rataliff)

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 13:40:51 GMT



In article <328CFE7E.4E39@airmail.net>,

   Tom Nuckels <newsnet1@airmail.net> wrote:

>Ariadna A Solovyova wrote:

>> 

>> Dear all,

>> 

>> If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin 

supplements for

>> arthritis, please tell me what results you got! 

>> Thank you very much in advance,

>> Ari

>

>Have you heard about the new product Lyprinol?  It is a natural 

extract 

>(not a drug) that was the result of a 25 year research project. 

 It is 

>reported to be extremely effective.  It reduces both 

inflammation and pain.

>A friend of mine tried it and said it is amazing how it reduced 

his pain.

>

>Tom

>

>http://www.worldprofit.com/health/mblpls.htm

		

Try Dr. Christopher's eating syle of all growing foods. Worked 

wonders for my wife. She has been fine for months, then one 

piece of ice cream cake made her symptoms come back the next 

day. Made a believer out of her. 

1-800-372-8255 for more information.  I am just a satisfied 

user.

BOB





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From: asolovyo@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ariadna A Solovyova)

Date: 15 Nov 96 19:31:03 GMT



Dear friends,



If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

high blood pressure, please tell me what results you got! The only thing

I heard of that is supposed to help is garlic. Has anyone got good

results? Should raw or cooked garlic be used? Or some other form?



Also, if there's a mailing list or a newsgroup for high blood pressure

sufferers, I'd be very thankful for subscription information. 



Thank you very much in advance,

Ari







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From: asolovyo@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Ariadna A Solovyova)

Date: 15 Nov 96 19:34:19 GMT



Dear friends,



If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

diverticulitis, please tell me what results you got! This one seems to be

really tough for both mainstream and alternative medicine. I couldn't find

any specific treatments in the literature.



Also, if there's a mailing list or a newsgroup on diverticulitis or colon

diseases in general, I'd be very thankful for subscription information.



Thank you very much in advance,

Ari







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From: Tom Nuckels <newsnet1@airmail.net>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:32:08 -0800



Ariadna A Solovyova wrote:

> 

> Dear friends,

> 

> If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

> diverticulitis, please tell me what results you got! 



> Ari



Yes, these products can be very helpful: Colodyne, Sustenase, Ecology #3 

or Salivarex, Hydro Mag, Magnesium Plus, Forever young, and Proanthenols.  I 

personally use the Colodyne, Sustenase, Salivarex and Proanthenols.  Made a big 

difference for me.



Tom



http://www.worldprofit.com/health/mblpls.htm





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From: mjgmsw@imap2.asu.edu

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:15:54 -0700



Try to find anything written by Bernard Jensen on colon disease, health, 

detox, etc.  He is a leading expert and his therapies are very 

effective.  After reading him, follow up with a visit to a good 

naturopath to get more specific therapies.  You could also look up 

treatments under irritable bowel syndrome, colitis, etc.

       Jane 



On 15 Nov 1996, Ariadna A Solovyova wrote:



> Dear friends,

> 

> If you have tried dietary changes, herbs or vitamin supplements for

> diverticulitis, please tell me what results you got! This one seems to be

> really tough for both mainstream and alternative medicine. I couldn't find

> any specific treatments in the literature.

> 

> Also, if there's a mailing list or a newsgroup on diverticulitis or colon

> diseases in general, I'd be very thankful for subscription information.

> 

> Thank you very much in advance,

> Ari

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: valerian root

From: lmchiare@newstand.syr.edu (  lesa   )

Date: 15 Nov 1996 21:36:23 GMT



can anyone tell me what exactly valerian root is used for, how to use it,

and any possible dangers or side effect associated with it?



please email responses. 

thanks in advance. 



-lesa







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From: Lisa McSherry <lisadawn@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:28:00 -0800



lesa wrote:

> 

> can anyone tell me what exactly valerian root is used for, how to use it,

> and any possible dangers or side effect associated with it?

> 

> please email responses.

> thanks in advance.

> 

> -lesa



A couple of my sources say that valerian root is a muscle relaxant"the 

valium of the 19th century."  It is non-addictive and is used primarily 

to reduce stess and induce relaxation.  I've used it to treat insomnia 

and menstrual cramps.  



The only warning I would give is that if you take too much, you get 

'nervy', and I wouldn't recommend taking it for more than 3 weeks as you 

might get used to it and come to rely on it.



P.S.  My cat LOVES the smell of it -- its like cat nip to him!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valerian root

From: lilsheba@teleport.com (Little Sheba)

Date: 17 Nov 1996 14:22:18 GMT



Lisa McSherry (lisadawn@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: lesa wrote:

: > 

: > can anyone tell me what exactly valerian root is used for, how to use it,

: > and any possible dangers or side effect associated with it?

: > 

: > please email responses.

: > thanks in advance.

: > 

: > -lesa



: A couple of my sources say that valerian root is a muscle relaxant"the 

: valium of the 19th century."  It is non-addictive and is used primarily 

: to reduce stess and induce relaxation.  I've used it to treat insomnia 

: and menstrual cramps.  



: The only warning I would give is that if you take too much, you get 

: 'nervy', and I wouldn't recommend taking it for more than 3 weeks as you 

: might get used to it and come to rely on it.



: P.S.  My cat LOVES the smell of it -- its like cat nip to him!



I guess mixed with espresso it makes you more awake, but not as nervous as

just the caffiene.  Tastes nasty though.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Lisa McSherry <lisadawn@ix.netcom.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valerian root

From: Carolyn Staggs <cstaggs@mail.arizona.edu>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:05:56 -0700



I use valerian to calm the effects of irritable bowel. The herb allows

the large intestine to relax some, and work more rythmecly. This

alleviates some of the cramping and bloating associated with IBS. 

 





Lisa McSherry wrote:

> 

> lesa wrote:

> >

> > can anyone tell me what exactly valerian root is used for, how to use it,

> > and any possible dangers or side effect associated with it?

> >

> > please email responses.

> > thanks in advance.

> >

> > -lesa

> 

> A couple of my sources say that valerian root is a muscle relaxant"the

> valium of the 19th century."  It is non-addictive and is used primarily

> to reduce stess and induce relaxation.  I've used it to treat insomnia

> and menstrual cramps.

> 

> The only warning I would give is that if you take too much, you get

> 'nervy', and I wouldn't recommend taking it for more than 3 weeks as you

> might get used to it and come to rely on it.

> 

> P.S.  My cat LOVES the smell of it -- its like cat nip to him!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valerian root

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:22:46 +0000



In article <328DF9A0.190B@ix.netcom.com>, Lisa McSherry

<lisadawn@ix.netcom.com> writes

>A couple of my sources say that valerian root is a muscle relaxant"the 

>valium of the 19th century."  It is non-addictive and is used primarily 

>to reduce stess and induce relaxation.  I've used it to treat insomnia 

>and menstrual cramps.  

>

>The only warning I would give is that if you take too much, you get 

>'nervy', and I wouldn't recommend taking it for more than 3 weeks as you 

>might get used to it and come to rely on it.

>

>P.S.  My cat LOVES the smell of it -- its like cat nip to him!



Valerian is addictive if taken regually, just as Valium was.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: mail order herbal course

From: <user@litenet.net>

Date: 15 Nov 1996 22:16:17 GMT



i am new here and have been interested in wild edible plants for some time

now.  Guess it is only natural to have gained an interest in herbs and

their medicinal uses.  



	can anyone recomend a home study cours on herbs.  please e-mai me at 

				cliffb@litenet.net



thanks for any input





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Looking for ginseng root or seed to grow.

From: "Dave" <dshaffer@bright.net>

Date: 16 Nov 1996 01:20:55 GMT



      Please let me know.

-- 



dshaffer@bright.net



http://www.bright.net/~dshaffer/index.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.lucky.w,alt.religion.orisha,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: 1930s Conjure Man and Herb Doctor

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:22:01 -0800



The following is the text of two interviews conducted by Vivian Morris

in 1938 for the Works Progress Administration. One interview is with a

West Indian conjure man called "Sagwa" who lived in Harlem, the other

with a black pharmacist named William Weiner ("the Jupiter Man") who

sold herbs in Harlem. 



The original is archived on the web at 

http://rs6.loc.gov/mss/wpalh2/22/2204/22040701.tif 

-- but reading it here is just as good because the "images" referenced

are simply b&w scans of Morris' forms and typewritten notes. 



This was sent to me by Fred Burke <fburke@ccnet.com> -- to whom i am

grateful 

    









The WPA Life Histories Collection





[Harlem Conjure Man] 





{Page image} 

{Begin page}



{Begin handwritten} Belief and Customs - Conjur Stuff {End handwritten} 



FOLKLORE 



NEW YORK {Begin handwritten} {End handwritten} Forms to be Filled out

for Each Interview 



FORM A Circumstances of Interview 



STATE New York 



NAME OF WORKER Vivian Morris 



ADDRESS 225 W. 130th St. New York City 



DATE October 31, 1938 



SUBJECT HARLEM CONJURE MAN 



1. Date and time of interview October 27, 1938 



2. Place of interview HARLEM West 141st St., near Lenox Ave. 



3. Name and address of informant 

"Sagwa" (Known only by that name) 71 West 141st. St. NYC 

William weiner 513 Lenox Ave. NYC 



4. Name and address of persons if any, who put you in touch with

informant. Personally contacted by staff-worker. 



5. Name and address of person, if any, accompanying you 



6. Description of room, house, surroundings, etc. 



See First paragraphs of Form C for information re-"Sagwa". See page 3

for information re-"The Jupiter Man"--William Weiner. 



Both informants make a living selling herbs (etc.)--and conjure lore. 







{Page image} 

{Begin page}



FOLKLORE 



NEW YORK 



FORM B Personal History of Informant 



STATE NEW YORK 



NAME OF WORKER VIVIAN MORRIS 



ADDRESS 225 WEST 130th STREET, NEW YORK 



DATE OCTOBER 31, 1938 



SUBJECT HARLEM CONJURE MAN "SAGWA" and WILLIAM WEINER - "The Jupiter

Man" 



1. Ancestry 

"Sagwa" - West Indian Negro 

William Weiner - "The Jupiter Man" - Negro 



2. Place and date of birth indeterminable 



3. Family unknown 



4. Places lived in, with date could not learn 



5. Education, with dates could not learn 



6. Occupations and accomplishments, with dates medicine men 



7. Special skills and interests medicine and conjuring 



8. Community and religious activities not known 



9. Description of lnformant for "Sagwa" see text of Form C 



10. Other Points gained in interview 







{Page image} 

{Begin page}



FOLKLORE 



NEW YORK 



FORM C Text of Interview (Unedited) 



STATE New York 



NAME OF WORKER Vivian Morris 



ADDRESS 225 W. 130th St. New York City 



DATE October 31, 1938 



SUBJECT HARLEM CONJURE MAN 



The dilapidated wooden shack I visited was perched on the edge of an old

junk yard in 141st Street, East of Lenox Ave., and looked as if it might

collapse any moment. The huge living room sprawled dirty and unkempt and

smelled of dog and cat dung. Through partly open door that led to an

adjoining room, I could see two bristling German police dogs flanked by

a half dozen or more lean and hungry-looking cats.  The place had an

earthern floor that was damp but firmly packed, and a dank musty odor

pervaded the atmosphere.



Slouched in a broken arm-chair was a huge West Indian Negro (not black

but a sallow riny yellow) who weighed close to 270 pounds. His mouth was

loose and sensual; his eyes, small and crafty. The thing about him that

compelled my attention most, however, was his large, bloated stomach

that rose and fell at intervals like some giant toy-balloon.



I talked with him for a long time and was spellbound by all he told me

but was greatly relieved when he had finished and it was time to go.

Outside the night air was sweet and refreshing in comparison to the

close, ill-smelling room. But I shall never forget the things I heard.

If I were a true believer in fantasy,



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{Begin page no. 2}



Harlem would now appear to me like some strange, far-away city; a

fascinating conglomeration of color, {Begin deleted text} intrigueing

{End deleted text} {Begin inserted text} {Begin handwritten} intriguing

{End handwritten} {End inserted text} as the after-dark activity in a

dimly lighted conjure man's den. 



Lenox Avenue would be well populated with (and every side-street would

boast) spiritualists whose side-lines would be the peddling of herbs and

the brewing of weird, seething voodoo concoctions that are veiled in

mystery...a heritage from the jungles of Africa and the hot tropical

climates of Haiti and the West Indies.



Even now, I am almost convinced that, no matter what your ailment,

there's an herb somewhere (possibly Harlem) to cure it. My conjure man

insisted on it.



"Got an ache in your joints?" he wanted to know. "If you have, boil a

few mullen leaves in a pan of water and drink a cup before meals.



"Your kidneys bother you? Don't let'em. Boil a couple teaspoons of cream

of tartar and flaxseed in a pint of water and drink it. You'll feel like

a different person.



"Ever have trouble renting rooms or your luck go back on you? Put a

handful of rice in a bag with some sycamore bark, boil and strain it

then sprinkle the contents on both sides of the door-sill.



"If your husband or wife ain't treatin' you right, feedin' you cold

supper or staying out nights, buy a handful of tiny red candles, smear

them with maple syrup or honey, write the person's name on a piece of

brown paper greased with a month old ham-skin and burn the candles under

the bed. That'll fix up everything fine.



"If your boy-friend or girl-friend leaves you, take one of their old

shoes, sprinkle a little "bring 'em back dust" on the soles,



{Page image} 

{Begin page no. 3}



point one to the North and the other to the South. They'll be back in a

week unless somebody done used a stronger conjure than you.



"If somebody you like act kinda cool get the egg of a frizzly chicken,

boil it in spring water, take it out of the shell and beat up the yolk

with a lump of sugar, starch and Jimson weed;  put it in a bag and hide

it in his clothes and he'll wind up being yo' slave.



"There's a hundred different ways to bring yourself good luck or money

or to put the jinx on somebody you don't like. All you have to do is

cross the palm of the doctor."



All root doctors, however, are not conjure men. William Weiner, for

instance, who operates a root and herb store and is known to Harlemites

as the Jupiter Man, is a registered pharmacist. 



"I didn't know much about roots and herbs twenty years ago," he {Begin

deleted text} tol[?] {End deleted text} {Begin inserted text} {Begin

handwritten} told {End handwritten} {End inserted text} me when I had

explained my visit," but I've learned. If I have a touch of the grippe,

do you think I take some coal tar preparation like aspirin? No sir. I

hurry up and take a dose of bone set.  (many very old Negroes make a tea

of it.) Boneset, that's one name for it, the same thing as Indian sage

or thorough-wort, or sweating plant. It sets your aching bones all

right. Try it next time you get the shivers.  



"I guess I've got more herbs and roots in my store now than I've got

regular medicine. Of course, some of the herbs they use here in Harlem

are regular medicines under different names. To tell you the truth, I've

gotten so I like the herb names better.  Which would you rather take,

cascara or sacred bush? It's the same thing. 







{Page image} 

{Begin page no. 4}



"Some of my customers have a dozen other names for cascara, like bear

berry bark, pigeon berry bark, chittem wood, and so forth. I like sacred

bush better. It takes a long time to learn all the names. You have to be

careful. Take bear's root. That's something else. You take that for

dropsy. Some people call it robin's rye, hair cap moss or golden

maiden's hair. But poor robin's plantain is something different from

robin's rye. Poor robin is used for warts. It's an astringent. Another

name for it is rattlesnake weed.



"If you want chinchona, you ask for quinine. My herb customers have a

better name. They call it priests' bark, which goes way back to the

medieval Latin, pulvis jesuiticus. See, they know more about the history

of medicines than most doctors.



"Most white people don't know how much they depend on herbs. There's

been a widely advertised cough medicine on the market in recent years,

for example. It's a good medicine.  But what's it made from?  Extract of

thyme. Before most people ever heard of it, the people in Harlem were

buying 10 cents worth of thyme and making a brew when they got a bad

cough. 



"It's the same way with ephedrine jelly. That's a popular cure for

colds.  It's nothing in the world but an extract of ma houng, a Chinese

herb. In Harlem, they've been using ma houng ever since I can remember. 

You can pay a lot of money for a widely advertised tonic laxative.

People around Harlem who know about herbs could tell you to get some

dandelion root, rhubarb, sacred bark and a little May apple root and

make your own. Ten to one, if you took this home-made remedy, you'd feel

much better."



And so, after these two little visits, you can readily see why I have

been almost converted to the cause of roots and herbs. So much so that I

am impelled to make a further, more exhaustive, search for the

fascinating conjure lore of Harlem.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: FO-TI?Would like to hear from users.

From: "Jacob Constantine" <norstar@galstar.com>

Date: 16 Nov 1996 16:07:32 GMT



Would like to hear from others who have tried Fo-Ti herb. Any noticeable

benefits? How much do you use? etc.

Jacob





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: FO-TI?Would like to hear from users.

From: Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives)

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 05:53:38 GMT



"Jacob Constantine" <norstar@galstar.com> said:



>Would like to hear from others who have tried Fo-Ti herb. Any noticeable

>benefits? How much do you use? etc.

>Jacob



Fo-Ti (Radix Polygoni Multiflori), also called He Shou Wu ,is a good

herb.  I use 500mg 3X a day in capsules, and it seems to have a

stabilizing effect on my energy, as well as anti-stress properties

(e.g I feel much less, if any, anger/frustration in stressful

situations).

---------------------------------------------------

   __                 -Hey! Who's been puttin'

  /___                     their Kools out on my

  ___/CORPION 1999            floor?

-----------------------===-------------------------







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Licorice Root (Sticks)/Reflux

From: Phyllis <phyllis@ptdprolog.net>

Date: 16 Nov 1996 19:58:47 GMT





Hi!



I really enjoy and appreciate this newsgroup.  I have learned a lot and

have been helped a great deal due to postings recommending Licorice Root

for a reflux problem (yuk!).



I have been drinking one cup of licorice root tea after lunch and after

dinner.  Also, supplementing with the capsules.  It is a chronic problem

so I am seeing a specialist which mean I also take prescription drugs.  



The doctor seems optimistic about my problem, but I have tried using only

the herbs as a solution and have tried using only the prescription drugs

as a solution.  The combination seems to work well for me and if anyone is

concerned about my blood pressure, I do monitor it regularly as I am aware

that licorice root has been know to raise BP. 



I stopped at the health food store in our local mall and they didn't have

the licorice root tea bags but they did have licorice root sticks.



My questions is:  how do I prepare this stuff?  The sticks are about 5

inches long in various thicknesses.  The directions say to place 1-2 tsp. 

into 6-8 oz of boiling water and continue to boil for 3-5 minutes; then of

course, strain.



How much is 1-2 teaspoons?  I tried 1 stick and it didn't taste as strong

as the tea bags.  



Thanking you in advance for any advice.



 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root (Sticks)/Reflux

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:54:13 GMT



On 16 Nov 1996 19:58:47 GMT, in alt.folklore.herbs Phyllis

<phyllis@ptdprolog.net> wrote:



>I stopped at the health food store in our local mall and they didn't have

>the licorice root tea bags but they did have licorice root sticks.

>

>My questions is:  how do I prepare this stuff?  The sticks are about 5

>inches long in various thicknesses.  The directions say to place 1-2 tsp. 

>into 6-8 oz of boiling water and continue to boil for 3-5 minutes; then of

>course, strain.

>

>How much is 1-2 teaspoons?  I tried 1 stick and it didn't taste as strong

>as the tea bags.  



You don't use the stick whole, you crush it first, any which way you can. Use a

knife, or scissors, or your hands, or a ...SLEDGE...HAMMER... (dobedobedo).

Anything to get nice small chunks that are easy to measure in teaspoons. Usually

that's 2-5 mm, which can be further reduced to powder.



You're lucky they didn't have the teabags. Whole plant parts are so much better

that they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence with teabags. 



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pregnancy flu experience?

From: Phyllis <phyllis@ptdprolog.net>

Date: 16 Nov 1996 22:09:07 GMT





My 28 year old daughter is 2 months pregnant and as in her other

pregnancy, she suffers tremendously from all of the same symptoms as the

flu.  She had this for her entire first trimester and I hate to see her

suffer like this again! 





She has no morning sickness; however, her wonderful husband does.  Isn't

he nice?



Anyway, has anyone had any experience with this or know where we can find

something documented on the subject.  Being pregnant, I certainly want her

to be careful about taking anything that might hurt her or the baby.



Thanking you in advance.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Echinacea & Golden seal --ok for a child????

From: thumper <thumper@buffnet.net>

Date: 17 Nov 1996 00:13:32 GMT



I have a sis in law who wants to give this stuff to her daughter to boost 

her immune system.  She has no idea what dose to give her, or even if it 

is really safe for her. She is 9 years old.



any advice would be appreciated... marlene



PLEASE E MAIL IF POSSIBLE







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea & Golden seal --ok for a child????

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 17 Nov 1996 07:55:01 -0700



thumper <thumper@buffnet.net> wrote:



>I have a sis in law who wants to give this stuff to her daughter to boost 

>her immune system.  She has no idea what dose to give her, or even if it 

>is really safe for her. She is 9 years old.



  Is there any reason for thinking the child's immune system

needs "boosting"?  Left alone, fed regularly with a varied diet,

and not subjected to etoxins like cigarette smoke and alcohol,

the human body does very well at defending itself.

  Why does she want to do this?



  Chronic use of goldenseal will cause digestive problems!



Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea & Golden seal --ok for a child????

From: Paul Davidson <chips1@istar.ca>

Date: 18 Nov 1996 19:52:57 GMT



Callie wrote:

> 

>   Is there any reason for thinking the child's immune system

> needs "boosting"?  Left alone, fed regularly with a varied diet,

> and not subjected to etoxins like cigarette smoke and alcohol,

> the human body does very well at defending itself.

>   Why does she want to do this?

> 

>   Chronic use of goldenseal will cause digestive problems!

> 

> Callie

> 

> Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

> http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame



	First:	CHRONIC use of many herbal supplements may cause problems!  This

does not mean that short term use willnot give the desired effect

without unwanted side effects.  Also, many herbs such as echinacea,

ginseng, wuchaseng, and shou wu chih will lose their effectiveness after

a certain time period.  This is why it is good to stagger the

supplements you are taking. Eg: If you are trying to boost the immune

system try a astralagus and licorice tea on alternating weeks and use

your 'off' weeks to try something else (Obviously some supplements

should be taken for a longer time).



	Second: Obviously avoiding smoke and alchohol aren't enough to protect

our bodies... we all still get sick!  Plus, even though we may be eating

a healthy diet our food sources these days do not contain as much

nutritional value as they use to.  This must be balanced.



	Third:	Schools are BREEDING ground for germs (as are hospitals, crowded

public places, etc.).  So children are constantly exposed to disease,

whether it is obvious or not.  I agree that if the child seems healthy

and energetic that there is no need for suuplements.  Don't try to fix

something that is not broken!  However, if the child is constantly

fighting illness, then it would be wise to at least consider an immune

booster.



	Fourth:	Many people (including myself) I know have had very good

results from taking echinacea three times a day (20 drops of liquid in

warm water each time) with 1000mg of Vit C for one week.  This seems to

avoid almost all illness for anywhere between 6 - 7 months.  Any illness

that does occur during this time is quickly fought off.  If the child in

question was to try the echinacea it would probably (considering the

age) be a good idea to take only one third of the dosage and 500mg of

Vit. C at first.



Spike

Chips1@istar.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Plantars Warts

From: cos@cs.pdx.edu (John C Costello)

Date: 17 Nov 1996 10:00:04 -0800



One herbal book recommends rubbing garlic oil on the wart, then covering the

wart with a clean sock.  Do this before bedtime.  



I have had good results so far (shrinking wart), although the wart has not

gone away yet.  (I've been applying the garlic for about a week.  The book

says that two weeks should do.)



Cos



-- 



email:  cos@ee.pdx.edu

www:  http://www.ee.pdx.edu/~cos





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Plantars Warts

From: Jay Ts <jayts@sedona.net>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:03:00 -0700



John C Costello wrote:

> 

> One herbal book recommends rubbing garlic oil on the wart, then covering the

> wart with a clean sock.  Do this before bedtime.

> 

> I have had good results so far (shrinking wart), although the wart has not

> gone away yet.  (I've been applying the garlic for about a week.  The book

> says that two weeks should do.)



You might try *eating* some garlic, too!  Fresh and raw, of course. 

You'll smell like garlic, but if it works externally, maybe hitting it

from both sides will be even better.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Plantars Warts

From: Freeman <freeman1@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 03:07:42 -0800



I've had *enormous* success completely healing warts with potatoes and

salt water.  All you do is cut a potato in half, then carve out a

depression in the center of one of the halves.  Poke 3 toothpicks

halfway into the potato and suspend it in a glass of water with the

depression sticking out of the water.  That's hard to explain, but I

hope that's clear.  (This is similar to how you root an avacado seed.) 

Then put about a teaspoon of salt in the potato depression (you don't

have to be exact) and fill it up with water.  Now, whenever you think

about it (as often as possible), especially before going to bed, take a

cotton swab and dab a bit of the salt water from the depression (stir it

around a bit) onto the wart(s).  If the potatoe starts getting brown or

spoiled, throw it out and make a new one.  I've had complete successes

within about a month.  Good luck!



Jay Ts wrote:

> 

> John C Costello wrote:

> >

> > One herbal book recommends rubbing garlic oil on the wart, then covering the

> > wart with a clean sock.  Do this before bedtime.

> >

> > I have had good results so far (shrinking wart), although the wart has not

> > gone away yet.  (I've been applying the garlic for about a week.  The book

> > says that two weeks should do.)

> 

> You might try *eating* some garlic, too!  Fresh and raw, of course.

> You'll smell like garlic, but if it works externally, maybe hitting it

> from both sides will be even better.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sensitive Teeth?

From: Howard Ayee <hayee@pathcom.com>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 10:21:40 -0800



Julia Chang wrote....



>...I tried to reduce the pain with a mouth rinse made from Chinese herbs

> that I have been working with for years now ... such as anti-bacterial

> Saussurea.....Most surprisingly, my sensitive tooth problem, which had

> been bothering me for 6 years also disappeared and has not returned.



>...I was very excited and told some of my customers about my accidental

> discovery about this sensitive tooth cure. More than 40 people have tried

> the mouthwash so far, and they all loved it. Those with sensitive teeth

> all found relief or a cure....furthermore, with regular use, she found her

> plaque problem much reduced.



> ...An expectant mother who developed sensitive teeth last August, used

> 2 bottles of Listerine without any effect... the herbal mouthwash cleared

> her problem up in 5 days....

>

> Julia Chang  M.Sc. Toronto CANADA



I found this post about 6 months ago, and was intrigued, as I suffered 

from

sensitive teeth pain. I have lived with it for about 4 years now, and 

have

managed to control it like everybody else, with sensitive toothpaste.



I decided to give the mouthwash a try, and I must say, this stuff 

works!!!

After using only a half bottle, my teeth and gums became less and less

sensitive, so I decided to stop for a few days to see if the sensitivity

would return. Like I said, it's been more than 6 months since my teeth

hurt, and I've been brushing with regular toothpaste since (I could not 

be

without my Sensodyne for more than 3 days without running out to buy

more).



This herbal mouthwash is well worth checking out, it is a natural product

and contains no sweeteners.



For any dentists out there, you owe it to your patients to at least look 

into this stuff.



Julia is very informative and easy to talk to, and would be pleased to

answer any questions you may have.



She can be reached at 416-248-2930 Toronto CANADA or

Email    kymc@passport.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info wanted on Angelica Sinensis or Polymorpha

From: camper@indigo.ie (Steve Colley)

Date: 17 Nov 1996 21:07:24 GMT



Could anyone tell me where you can purchase seeds or plant of Angelica 

Sinensis or Angelica Polymorpha please.  I am intrested in chinese 

medicine and run a market garden specialising in herbs.

Thanks: Steve







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Info wanted on Angelica Sinensis or Polymorpha

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard)

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:12:36 GMT



camper@indigo.ie (Steve Colley) wrote:



>Could anyone tell me where you can purchase seeds or plant of Angelica 

>Sinensis or Angelica Polymorpha please.  I am intrested in chinese 

>medicine and run a market garden specialising in herbs.

>Thanks: Steve



For the root of Angelica sinensis (Dang Gui) contact:



Mayway USA

1338 Cypress St.

Oakland CA 94607

(510) 208-3113









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Migraine Natural Treatment FAQ

From: Shannon Brophy <shannon@yoga.com>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:38:37 -0500



An article, Migraine Natural Treatment FAQ describes various ways to

treat a migraine headache using herbs, biofeedback, and the like.

http://www.yoga.com/raw/healing/info/migrainefaq.htm is the URL.

Enjoy.

-- 

Shannon B.

_____________________________________________________________________

 For information on Yoga, Massage and Bodywork, and Natural Healing  

               or to browse Holistic Products to order

      visit the Roots & Wings Website at http://www.yoga.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: acne-skin problems

From: bob seidl <hp2indck@pld.com>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:26:28 -0600



any ideas on controlling acne-skin problems during teen-age years





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: acne-skin problems

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 02:40:54 GMT



On Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:26:28 -0600, bob seidl <hp2indck@pld.com> wrote:



>any ideas on controlling acne-skin problems during teen-age years



Maybe try a cereal-free diet? In this highly recommended article:



Lutz, W.J., "The Colonisation of Europe and Our Western Diseases", Medical

Hypotheses, Vol. 45, pages 115-120, 1995



Dr. Lutz argues that there is a clear, inverse relationship between

civilisatory diseases and the length of time the people of a given region

of Europe have had to adapt to the high carbohydrate diet associated with

the cultivation of cereal grains that was begun in the Near East, and

spread very slowly through Europe.



I quote from the first page of the article:



"In over thirty years of clinical practice, I have found, as published in

numerous papers and several books (3, 4), that diet works well against

Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, multiple sclerosis, heart failure,

*acne* and other problems."



3. Lutz, W J, , Leben ohme Brot, 12th edn. Planegg: Selecta Verlag, 1992.

(In English: Dismantling a Myth: The role of Fat and Carbohydrates in Our

Diet, Springfield, Ill; Charles Thomas, 1987.



4. Lutz, W J, Arterioselerose und Krebs - Fette oder Kohlenhydrate? Weiner

Med Wschr 1989: 101(12):429.



I can e-mail the text of this article to anyone interested.



Don.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: acne-skin problems

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:47:46 -0500



In article <328FAD34.4757@pld.com>, bob seidl <hp2indck@pld.com> wrote:



> any ideas on controlling acne-skin problems during teen-age years



Dear Bob, 

I am 34 and still get acne from time to time. Diet has a lot to do with

it. If I binge on chocolate I pay the price. I do use a skin tonic that

helps balance my skins ph and that helpsEat lots of vegies and fruits

during this time in your life. Try to stay away from greasy foods and

sweets. I know what your thinking. Is she nuts? I am a teenager. Seriously

acne is a part of life but you can keep it under control with diet and

skin care. The tonic I use is my own stuff but I am sure you can find some

good ones in the health food store.

Good Luck, Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dream Herbs

From: charley_hampton@mindlink.bc.ca (charley hampton)

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:33:17 GMT



Anyone know which herbs to take before bed in order to have vision-esque 

dreams or lucid dreams? Or teas? Also, another thing, herbs as a cure for 

nightmares? This is fairly important and any feedback would be fantastic.



Jess





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: charley hampton <charley_hampton@mindlink.bc.ca>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream Herbs

From: Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 11:44:54 -0500



	I have read in various sources that making a tea of kava root or

taking kava extract before going to sleep will not only increase the

vividness of dreams, but will also promote lucidity.  I have not had the

opportunity to test this.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream Herbs

From: cheeena@aol.com

Date: 21 Nov 1996 15:08:27 GMT



weirdly enough, drinking lots of caffeine at night when really tired

causes lucid dreams for me, or sometimes a dozing state halfway between

sleep and daydreaming.

--acey





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream Herbs

From: "M. F." <mbfryd@axess.com>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:09:48 -0400



charley hampton wrote:

> 

> Anyone know which herbs to take before bed in order to have vision-esque

> dreams or lucid dreams? Or teas? Also, another thing, herbs as a cure for

> nightmares? This is fairly important and any feedback would be fantastic.

> 

> Jess



Sunrider's formula ESE based on the Chinese herbal tradition nourishes

the nervous system as it regulates the body's response to stress. It's

calming effect allows for relieve from restlessness, nightmares, anxiety

and sleeplessness. Better rested, the body is more able to deal with

stress, and a clearer mind will enhance the power of concentration.

This formula contains: Cassia Tora Seed, Gou Teng, Jitsau Herb, Sophora

Flower, Yeuan Wu Root, Orange Peel, Pinelliae Root and more.



sunmar@axess.com



Maria





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: WALNUT HUSKS OR HULLS     COMMERCIAL BODS

From: gates <gates@gates.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:10:19 +0000



Can anyone help a friend by providing via me the details of a supplier,

on a commercial basis, of walnut hulls for dyeing purposes?



Thanks in anticipation and best regards

-- 

Les Ballard         Les@gates.demon.co.uk





c/o BM: Gates of Annwn       (the Pagan contact magazine)

London WC1N 3XX   U.K.       44+(0)1708 670431



No copyright statement is attached as the author is litigious.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: WALNUT HUSKS OR HULLS     COMMERCIAL BODS

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 18 Nov 1996 06:59:04 -0700



gates <gates@gates.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>Can anyone help a friend by providing via me the details of a supplier,

>on a commercial basis, of walnut hulls for dyeing purposes?

   Do you mean the "husks" the nut grow in?  For that, you'd have

to find an orchard and ask them about selling some.  Those used

locally are gathered from the wild walnut trees at higher

elevations.  Hard to ship across borders (agricultural inspection

problems).



   Or do you want the shells - what they are covered in when

they are sold.  They are often sold in bulk by the processors

as a mulch ... but shipping a ton or so from California would

be $$$$ (or LLLL for you).

Callie



Callie@writepage.com            | Captain, HTML Police

http://www.writepage.com        | Keeper of the HTML Flame









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: WALNUT HUSKS OR HULLS     COMMERCIAL BODS

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 14:22:05 GMT



gates <gates@gates.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>Can anyone help a friend by providing via me the details of a supplier,

>on a commercial basis, of walnut hulls for dyeing purposes?



In the states, Frontier Herbs sells them bulk to herb shops.  They

also carry a line of encapsulated herbs.  I don't know the address

though - you could call around to shops to see which carry them 

and get the address.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Coffee & Cholesterol

From: vfoao00i@huey.csun.edu (michael hoffberg)

Date: 18 Nov 1996 14:06:52 GMT



Is there any know releationship between decaffinated coffee and elevated

cholesterol and/or triglycerdie levels?  What is the most common cause

(and cure) for extremely high triglyceride levels?



Many thanks,



Michael Hoffberg

mhoffberg@huey.csun.edu







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Coffee & Cholesterol

From: Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives)

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 04:26:02 GMT



Coffee contains the compounds kahweol and cafestol that can raise

cholesterol levels.  Filter your coffee when you brew it, and this

takes out much of the K&C.



vfoao00i@huey.csun.edu (michael hoffberg) said:



>Is there any know releationship between decaffinated coffee and elevated

>cholesterol and/or triglycerdie levels?  What is the most common cause

>(and cure) for extremely high triglyceride levels?



>Many thanks,



>Michael Hoffberg

>mhoffberg@huey.csun.edu





---------------------------------------------------

   __                 -Hey! Who's been puttin'

  /___                     their Kools out on my

  ___/CORPION 1999            floor?

-----------------------===-------------------------







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: MRI / Was Re: Holistic Arthritis

From: dunns@h2net.net (Stephen Dunn)

Date: 18 Nov 1996 09:30:02 -0700



In article <56p6e5$elv@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,

Steven B. Harris <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

:

:I still think you're confusing the two scans.  MRI provides no

:radiation (unless you count a magnetic field).  It's CT that gives you

:radiation.  Was your scan noisy, like being inside a washing machine or

:a working auto engine?  That was MRI, then.  Was there a strong

:magnetic field that they made you remove all iron and credit cards for?

:

:                                         Steve Harris, M.D.



Oh right Steve - anyone who's ever had to pay the bills for an MRI knows

you not only have to give them your credit card, but they take the shirt

right off your back too! This procedure is one of the most common in

modern high tech medicine and certainly one of the most important - its

technically known as a "wallet biopsy". 



             -Steve "MRI T,L Spine about 10 times!" Dunn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.support.arthritis,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MRI / Was Re: Holistic Arthritis

From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)

Date: 19 Nov 1996 05:53:48 GMT



In <56q2ua$3pj@h2net.net> dunns@h2net.net (Stephen Dunn) writes: 

>

>In article <56p6e5$elv@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,

>Steven B. Harris <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>:

>:I still think you're confusing the two scans.  MRI provides no

>:radiation (unless you count a magnetic field).  It's CT that gives

you

>:radiation.  Was your scan noisy, like being inside a washing machine

or

>:a working auto engine?  That was MRI, then.  Was there a strong

>:magnetic field that they made you remove all iron and credit cards

for?

>:

>:                                         Steve Harris, M.D.

>

>Oh right Steve - anyone who's ever had to pay the bills for an MRI

knows

>you not only have to give them your credit card, but they take the

shirt

>right off your back too! This procedure is one of the most common in

>modern high tech medicine and certainly one of the most important -

its

>technically known as a "wallet biopsy". 

>

>             -Steve "MRI T,L Spine about 10 times!" Dunn







   Yep.  When I first read the reports of people's credit cards being

wiped by MRI, I said to myself, "This is news...?"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: kidney function

From: Blindeye <wpmorey@mailbox.syr.edu>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:02:37 -0500



are there any herbs that can enhance kidney functions specifically 

eliminating toxins in the blood or urine?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kidney function

From: gypsyjayne@enterprise.net (Gypsy Jayne)

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:06:13 GMT



You could try meadowsweet and / or fennel seed.

An infusion of either or both should help.







On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:02:37 -0500, Blindeye <wpmorey@mailbox.syr.edu>

seemed to type:



~are there any herbs that can enhance kidney functions specifically 

~eliminating toxins in the blood or urine?



Gypsy Jayne

England

http://homepages.enterprise.net/gypsyjayne

. . . at least the wheels go round . . .





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Blindeye <wpmorey@mailbox.syr.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kidney function

From: Rick Hilburn <rickhil@cheney.net>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:25:57 -0800



Blindeye wrote:

> 

> are there any herbs that can enhance kidney functions specifically

> eliminating toxins in the blood or urine?



Have you tried Dandelion?



Rick





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: wpmorey@mailbox.syr.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kidney function

From: Altherapy Distributors International LLC <altherapydist@internetMCI.com>

Date: 20 Nov 1996 06:31:57 GMT



Milk Thistle:  Important for all liver disorders.  Contains some ofthe 

powerful liver protecting substances known.  Stimulates production of new 

liver cells.  Rebuilds and repairs.



Burdock:  Helps restore liver function and is a good blood purifer that 

clears toxins through the lymphatic system.



Dandelion:  Clears the blood stream and liver.  Increases the flow of bile 

which benefits liver function.  Has high protein, vitamins and mineral 

content.  The dandelion root is wonderful liver medicine for all kinds of 

problems such as hepatitis, cirrhosis, jaundice and toxicity in general.



For more recommendations for herbs, supplements, aromatherapy and the 

Better Health Booklets on various problems.....go to our web page at 

        

        http://www.choicemall.com/adi



Scroll down from the home page to What Ails you and click on Hepatitis.

It will take you to the appropriate page.



Syd 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kidney function

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:42:36 GMT



>is there any herbal remedies that can enhance kidney functions 

>especially in regard to the elimination of toxins?

I have a bunch of information from old books on this subject. One at

hand is The Cottage Physician Year 1895, By George Post MD. There is

more in this book, but this is the page i turned to. Combine this

information with your favorite herbal, and all the historic

information on our CD if your one of our customers and learn from this

and your physician.

Hope this helps.



Margie

Margie's Rare Books and Plant Clip Art

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm



INFLAMATION OF THE KIDNEYS



The existence of this disease may be known by a sense of heat and

sharp pains about the loins, and a dull, benumbed feeling down the

thigh.

TREATMENT

Avoid everything of a heating or stimulating nature, and let the diet

consist chiefly of light, thin broth, mild vegetables, etc.; drink

plentifully of balm tea, sweetened with raw honey, or decoction of

Marshmallow. Nothing so safely and certainly abates the inflamation as

soothing fluids. Should there be much pain in the back, heat should be

applied to the part; and this is done by means of cloths dipped in hot

water, rewarmed as they grow cool. Should there be shivering and signs

of fever, with considerable tenderness over the kidneys, five or ten

grains of quinine may be given (Note: there are substitutes for this

Quinine). After some time the bowels should be freely opened, and the

best means of effecting this is with three grains of Calomel, and two

hours afterward half an ounce of Castor Oil; subsequently the

following may be given: Bicarbonate of Soda, two drams; tincture of

Henbane, two drams, syrup of Tolu, misture of acacia, of each one

ounce; Camphor mixture to eight ounces. Mix, and take half a wineglass

every four hours. 

Employ the warm bath, and afterwards warm fomentations to the stomach

and loins; drink freely of Flaxseed tea.

Those who have once suffered from inflammation of the kidneys are very

liable to it again; to prevent a recurrence of the attack, they should

abstain from wine and stimulants; use moderate exersise; avoid

exposure to wet and cold; eat of food light and easy of digestion; not

lie too much on the back.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kidney function

From: erdda@aol.com

Date: 23 Nov 1996 15:02:37 GMT



Dear Margie,



Snip...

 < After some time the bowels should be freely opened, and the

best means of effecting this is with three grains of Calomel, and two

hours afterward half an ounce of Castor Oil; subsequently the

following may be given: Bicarbonate of Soda, two drams; tincture of

Henbane, two drams, syrup of Tolu, misture of acacia, of each one

ounce; Camphor mixture to eight ounces. >

Are you even aware of what you're recommending?  Luckily, you can't get

calomel anymore, because it's a poison, it's derived from mercury, but

Henbane can still be found, although it's posonous, too...Historical

texts,

while wonderful, and often relevant today, are not te same as new books,

because their authors have access to lab trials and chemical testing, not

to

mention historical record of people dying from patent medicines.  It's

extremely irresponsible to post this as anything other than a glimpse at

outdated medicine.

   And, as a person with kidney disease, there are not many herbs that are

safe; it depends on the type of infection or disease affecting the organs.

Knowing about rare books and plants isn't the same thing as being an

ethnobotanist, herbalist, or homeopathic physician...please exercise some

restraint with medical advice; this kind of thing is how people really get

hurt.

To anyone who needs it:

For information about herbs and kidney function, please find an herbal

expert in your area...they are becoming more and more common...go to your

local health food stores and check their bulletin board, go to the

library, etc.  Just ask,seek, ask, and you'll find helpful, up-to-date

advice.

And no, I'm not an herbalist, so I'm not here trolling for customers.

Erdda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kidney function

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:35:04 GMT



ear Margie,



Snip...

 < After some time the bowels should be freely opened, and the

best means of effecting this is with three grains of Calomel, and two

hours afterward half an ounce of Castor Oil; subsequently the

following may be given: Bicarbonate of Soda, two drams; tincture of

Henbane, two drams, syrup of Tolu, misture of acacia, of each one

ounce; Camphor mixture to eight ounces. >

Are you even aware of what you're recommending?  Luckily, you can't

get

calomel anymore, because it's a poison, it's derived from mercury, but

Henbane can still be found, although it's posonous, too...Historical

texts,

while wonderful, and often relevant today, are not te same as new

books,

because their authors have access to lab trials and chemical testing,

not

to

mention historical record of people dying from patent medicines.  It's

extremely irresponsible to post this as anything other than a glimpse

at

outdated medicine.

   And, as a person with kidney disease, there are not many herbs that

are

safe; it depends on the type of infection or disease affecting the

organs.

Knowing about rare books and plants isn't the same thing as being an

ethnobotanist, herbalist, or homeopathic physician...please exercise

some

restraint with medical advice; this kind of thing is how people really

get

hurt.

To anyone who needs it:

For information about herbs and kidney function, please find an herbal

expert in your area...they are becoming more and more common...go to

your

local health food stores and check their bulletin board, go to the

library, etc.  Just ask,seek, ask, and you'll find helpful, up-to-date

advice.

And no, I'm not an herbalist, so I'm not here trolling for customers.



Dear Erdda-

Thankyou for your advice. No matter what I post, some one will always

down with up with it, especially on their behalf. That does not bother

me. I am a professional nutritionist. I am selling these copies to

help people who want to research, to help themselves. You are somwhat

correct but there is much you are missing from this historic

information, this is why I am offering it, but not why I posted it.

But that  is your choice if you want to miss out with the herd. Its

just the way it is. I have a couple hundred herbals, and around that

many other medical/vitamin manuals books, etc., plus so many  antique

books in storage I can't count them all , plus and i was raised around

an herbalist. I don't believe I need any more information. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: 5 Most Popular Herbal Remedies? Need Advice for Class Presentation

From: sli@chem.duke.edu (Sid Li)

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:38:58 GMT



For our class project, three other students and I have been asked to

give a presentation on herbal drugs.  We are still in the process of

brainstorming for ideas and specific topics.



We've found information for everything from cat's claw, to ginsing, to

different teas, to ephreda.  We'd like to focus our discussion on the

five most popular herbal remedies out there today.



We're not looking for any particular class of herbal drugs.  Their use

can be preventative care, treatment of acute or chronic illnesses, or

recreational use.  However we would prefer herbal remedies which are

used in their purest and most natural form, particularly direct use of

the herb or an extract of the herb.  We'd like to stay away from

manufactured and heavily processed products such as the "all natural"

pills seen on TV and in the back of magazines.



So please let us know what you think the 5 most popular herbal

remedies are.  Post your replies to the group or email them directly

to <sli@chem.duke.edu> to reduce bandwidth.



Thanks!

		-Sid Li







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: 5 Most Popular Herbal Remedies? Need Advice for Class Presentation

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:41:38 GMT



First, herbal drugs are not herbal remedies.



Second, my personal list of favorites:

  Dandelion (Taraxacum officinale) leaf, root

  Stinging nettle (Urtica sp.) leaf, seed, root

  St.John's wort (Hypericum) flowering tops

  Echinacea, whole plant

  Mullein (Verbascum) flowering top / leaf 

 

As to the three you mentioned:

Cat's claw is an exotic - you cannot pick it if you're not living in the

rainforest

Ginseng is either an exotic or an endangered species (depends on which ginseng

you're talking about)

Ephedra is overhyped, and should not be used simply as a metabolic booster (long

range effects are disturbing). Especially if combined with other metabolic

boosters.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: 5 Most Popular Herbal Remedies? Need Advice for Class Presentation

From: Erica Friedman <e.l.f.@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:11:25 -0800



Henriette Kress wrote:

> 

> First, herbal drugs are not herbal remedies.

> 

> Second, my personal list of favorites:

>   Dandelion (Taraxacum officinale) leaf, root

>   Stinging nettle (Urtica sp.) leaf, seed, root

>   St.John's wort (Hypericum) flowering tops

>   Echinacea, whole plant

>   Mullein (Verbascum) flowering top / leaf

> 



My favorites:



Lavendar, Rosemary, Eucalyptus and Echinacea. Its amazing how many comon

complaints can be dealt with by using one of these four.















Erica





*************************************************************

Erica Friedman				e.l.f.@ix.netcom.com



"He either fears his fate too much, or his dessert too small,

who dares not put it to the touch, to win or loses it all."

*************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Growing Herbs in southeast Ohio

From: bret Johnson <bret@baj.com>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:11:41 -0500



Hello,



I am looking for information on how to grow herbs in Southeast Ohio in

Sandy soil. or if I can not use this soil I would like info. regrading

indoor growing..



Thanks.



You may reply to : bret@baj.com as well..







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aromatherapy OK while Breastfeeding?

From: Avery Ke <avery@u.washington.edu>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:06:30 -0800



I originally posted this to misc.kids.breastfeeding, and was referred to

this newsgroup. Please email me directly, because I don't read this

newsgroup regularly.



--

I am happily breastfeeding my 8 month old daughter.



When I was in labor, my doula used a bit of lavender and peppermint on a

wet washcloth, and it helped the labor pains immensely. The past few days

I have been putting a few drops of lavender oil in my bath at night, and

find it wonderfully relaxing.  Other oils that were recommended by the

proprietoress of an herb shop are clary sage (when feeling bluesy) and

bergomet.  And of course peppermint, which I'm not too concerned about:)



Is is OK to use these essential oils in my bath? I generally dip q-tip

into the bottle and run that under the faucet.   Will this have an effect

on my baby? An adverse effect? Any side-effects you know about?



TIA,              



Avery and Lucia ("Mimi") 3/14/96

avery@u.washington.edu



     "For what she does not know, she eats,

	A worm, a twig, a block, a fly,

      And every novel thing she meets

	Is bitten into bye and bye."

			 Robert Nathen

			_The Daughter at Evening_







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Awareness Herbs

From: cmelk@aol.com

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:11:10 -0600



I am considering undergoing a parasitic cleanse from a

company called the Awareness Corporation.  It's products

are called Harmony, Experience and Clear.  I would be

interested in knowing anyones experience with these

products.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Awareness Herbs

From: cmelk@aol.com

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:11:06 -0600



I am considering undergoing a parasitic cleanse using 

products from the Awareness Corporation called Harmony,

Experience and Clear and would like some comments from

anyone who has used them.  Please e-mail replies to

cmelk@aol.com.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info on Herbs

From: Jonta <mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:40:36 -0500





	I recentyl ordered an herbal supplement from Ancestral Foods

company.  The supplement is for "lung and sinus congestion, allergies and

coughs" and is called ALJ.  It contains: boneset herb, fenugreek seeds,

horeseradish root, mullein leaves, and fennel seeds.  Does anyone, or has

anyone had any experience with these herbs or this company? If so can you

please tell me the outcome.....good and/or bad?  Thanks in advance.



*******************************************************************************

			     Marie Jonta Williams 

		     University of Maryland Baltimore County 

		B.S. Mathematics, Concentration:Operations Research

			     mwilli5@gl.umbc.edu

*******************************************************************************









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: suggestions please

From: Jungle <jungle@olemiss.edu>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:09:40 -0600





Hi,  I'm looking for some herbs for me and a few others.  I've seen some

postings on migranes and I'll see if those work.  Currently the meds I'm

on are building up scar tissues on some of my internal organs (liver,

lungs...) if anyone knows an herb that may help combat this I'd love to

know.  Also, my dad's scared he may be developing Alzheimers, anyone know

anything that may help slow it, or improve his memory.  E-mail me

suggestions or post them, Thanx I appreciate your suggestions.



-Jungle



jungle@olemiss.edu





*****************************************************************************

	All my fond love thus do I blow to heaven. 

	'Tis gone.

 	Arise, black vengence, from the hollow hell.

			-Othello

*****************************************************************************







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: suggestions please

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:29:45 GMT



JOn Mon, 18 Nov 1996 23:09:40 -0600, you wrote:



>Hi,  I'm looking for some herbs for me and a few others.  I've seen some

>postings on migranes and I'll see if those work.  Currently the meds I'm

>on are building up scar tissues on some of my internal organs (liver,

>lungs...) if anyone knows an herb that may help combat this I'd love to

>know.  Also, my dad's scared he may be developing Alzheimers, anyone know

>anything that may help slow it, or improve his memory.  E-mail me

>suggestions or post them, Thanx I appreciate your suggestions.



The palliative for migraines is feverfew herb.  To attempt to cure the

problem for good see my post called Diet and Supplement

Tips and follow the antiparasitic regimen along with it.



See the post called

Toxin Reduction in the Home and Diet and follow the metals and other

toxin advice

to treat Alzheimer's, as well as take gotu kola, which increases

oxygen to the brain and supposedly helps cure cases of "deranged

collagen" which forms scar tissue.  Gotu kola is also known as 

Centella Asiatic, and is very inexpensive.  A supplement that is even

better for dilating blood vessels and providing more oxygen to organs

is gingko biloba extract, but this does not address the scar tissue

formation.  The best vasodilator for the money is cayenne pepper.

Use all three of these supplements for an effective regimen for

alzheimers and scarring. Taking shavegrass, a rich source of silica,

may help with scars as well, as would eating oatmeal.



The latest versions of the two files I mentioned will be posted this

week if they are no longer available on the newsgroup.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: suggestions please

From: lilsheba@teleport.com (Little Sheba)

Date: 21 Nov 1996 19:39:28 GMT



: The palliative for migraines is feverfew herb.  To attempt to cure the

: problem for good see my post called Diet and Supplement

: Tips and follow the antiparasitic regimen along with it.



Combine the feverfew with powdered ginger...two capsules of each with warm

water.



--

Cause I've been running all over creation     Try the new Poco Mailing

Out of my mind                                List -- email for details

Trying to keep our hearts beating together    

All of the time                                * lilsheba@teleport.com *

	Jackson Browne                         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: suggestions please

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:01:16 GMT



>>Hi,  I'm looking for some herbs for me and a few others.  I've seen some

>>postings on migranes and I'll see if those work.  Currently the meds I'm

>>on are building up scar tissues on some of my internal organs (liver,

>>lungs...) if anyone knows an herb that may help combat this I'd love to

>>know.  Also, my dad's scared he may be developing Alzheimers, anyone know

>>anything that may help slow it, or improve his memory.  E-mail me

>>suggestions or post them, Thanx I appreciate your suggestions.



Increasing the oxygen/nutrition intake with raw juices and raw egg

yolk (brain food) and Ginkgo Biloba helped my father. Also exercises,

at least walking every day. The condition even disappeared from his

iris.



Margie

Margie's Rare Books And Plant Clip Art

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Liver Flush

From: Dave <fab@execpc.com>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 06:43:45 -0600



A lot of people have talked about a "Liver flush" on the newsgroup.  Can

anyone tell me:



What exactly IS a liver flush?  What happens? What does it do?



What brings on a liver flush?  Any harmful effects?



Thanks,



Dave





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Liver Flush

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:21:37 -0500



In article <3291AB81.5FE1@execpc.com>, fab@execpc.com wrote:



> A lot of people have talked about a "Liver flush" on the newsgroup.  Can

> anyone tell me:

> 

> What exactly IS a liver flush?  What happens? What does it do?

> 

> What brings on a liver flush?  Any harmful effects?

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Dave



I think they mean liver cleanse when you rid the liver and your body of

toxins. You can do this using tea form of herbs that is what I prefer.

There are prepared herbal products on the market I'm sure that does this

too. I have never tried those. The side effect from a liver cleanse can be

a healing crisis. This is when your body is ridding all these toxins you

can get fevers, stomach upset,

flu like symptoms. It last for a day or two and then you feel like you

never were sick. I cleanse every year after the holidays. This is best for

me. It's like my new Years Resolution to myself. I always binge during the

holidays I can't help myself that is when the best food is served. All

those yummy cakes and pies... I'm getting hungry. Basically when I do this

cleanse I take Milk thistle seed tincture for about a month a head of

time. Milk thistle puts a protective shield around undamaged liver cells.

Then I cleanse with this God-awful tea blend of mine for seven days. After

that I drink a nutritive liver blend tea of mine for a month that feeds

and strengthens the liver. It keeps it running up to par. It seems to work

fine I have even had an ultra-sound done and they wanted me to fill out a

donor card at the diagnostic lab because my liver looked so good. So once

a year I treat, if you can call it that, myself to this experience. I have

lucked out and never went through a healing crisis but some of my

customers have. They didn't like this but had to admit they felt 100%

better afterwards. Good luck if you decide to do this. Talk with others

who have gone through this. Read as much about it before you decide.

Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re:  White moth like bugs on herbs.

From: Chiquita <hjchu@orbonline.net>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:35:13 -0500



I recently noticed white moth like bugs on the herbs I was growing 

inside.  Kinda looks like moths but I've never seen any of them 

fly.  They seem to cling to the leaves.  Started off in my rosemary & 

went crazy on my basil.  Any help on what they are, how to get rid of 

them and/or what can be done to prevent them would be greatly 

appreciated.  Please email me at: hjchu@orbonline.net



Thanks,

Joyce





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:  White moth like bugs on herbs.

From: coltremb@rsvs.ulaval.ca (Colette Tremblay)

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:03:28 -0500



These bugs may be whiteflies, very common in greenhouses. A way of

controlling them is to place yellow sticky traps near the plants. These

traps are sold in garden centers, or you can make them by coating yellow

pieces of cardboard (you may  paint them) or plastic with a sticky

substance such as Tanglefoot (also from garden centers). Whiteflies can

also be eradicated with chemical insecticides, but it is not a good idea to

use them, particularly on edible plants!



In article <3291E1C1.8BA@orbonline.net>, Chiquita <hjchu@orbonline.net>

wrote:



> I recently noticed white moth like bugs on the herbs I was growing 

> inside.  Kinda looks like moths but I've never seen any of them 

> fly.  They seem to cling to the leaves.  Started off in my rosemary & 

> went crazy on my basil.  Any help on what they are, how to get rid of 

> them and/or what can be done to prevent them would be greatly 

> appreciated.  Please email me at: hjchu@orbonline.net

> 

> Thanks,

> Joyce



-- 

Colette Tremblay

Quebec Canada

zone 4b





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: White moth like bugs on herbs.

From: tm@digital.net

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 19:02:43 -0500



In article <3291E1C1.8BA@orbonline.net>, Chiquita <hjchu@orbonline.net> wrote:



> I recently noticed white moth like bugs on the herbs I was growing 

> inside.  Kinda looks like moths but I've never seen any of them 

> fly.  They seem to cling to the leaves.  Started off in my rosemary & 

> went crazy on my basil.  Any help on what they are, how to get rid of 

> them and/or what can be done to prevent them would be greatly 

> appreciated.  Please email me at: hjchu@orbonline.net

> 

> Thanks,

> Joyce

You are going to have a battle on your hands. You can use soapy water to

wash the leaves. This will get to be quite time consumming since the

leaves will have to be washed often because those nasties will be back.

You can try spraying the plants with a garlic solution even use rubbing

alcohol on the leaves. Good Luck.

Catherine



-- 

Southernwood Herbals & Gifts

407-729-0104

tm@digital.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Impotence and Herbs

From: "Douglas L. Jones" <st5ae@jetson.uh.edu>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:38:47 -0600



Can anyone reccomend herbs that are good for the treament of impotence

in men?  What herbs are reccomended for increased libido and sex drive? 

Which are useful as aphrodisiacs?



Thanks for your responses...

-- 







+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and

give the wrong answers.    -- A Bit of Fry and Laurie

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Impotence and Herbs

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:12:55 GMT



>Can anyone reccomend herbs that are good for the treament of impotence

>in men?  What herbs are reccomended for increased libido and sex drive? 

>Which are useful as aphrodisiacs?

>

>Thanks for your responses...



If it was me I would try this combination;



Chamomile Flowers

Sarsaparilla Root

Celery Seed

Angelica Root

Dandelion Root

Horehound Root

Licorice Root

Senega Root

Passion Flower

Thyme

Gentian Root

Saw Palmetto Berry

Alfalfa

Cascara Sagrada

I don't know the exact amounts for each but you can always use your

favorite herbal and mix the powdered herbs all together accordingly,

and capsule. Abundant in Nutrients. You can break all this down and

state this and that, but this is a very-very old formula that still

works very well. 



Sincerely;



Margie

Margie's Rare Books and Plant Clipart

http://www.alice.net/pers/antique.htm









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help:  "tennis elbow"

From: c1304@ezl.com (Carolynn Butler)

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:39:15 GMT







Would there be any herbal help, salve, balm, etc for "tennis elbow".

I've had a problem with it and it's getting worse.  My doctor just

says rest it and use a arm band that absorbes shock.  I have done as

he advised, but it doesn't seem to be helping.  



Thanks to anyone who might be able to offer advice.



CArol

c1304@ezl.com







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help:  "tennis elbow"

From: Tim Preston <timp@sonic.net>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:46:11 -0800



Carolynn Butler wrote:

> 

> Would there be any herbal help, salve, balm, etc for "tennis elbow".

> I've had a problem with it and it's getting worse.  My doctor just

> says rest it and use a arm band that absorbes shock.  I have done as

> he advised, but it doesn't seem to be helping.

> 

> Thanks to anyone who might be able to offer advice.

> 

> CArol

> c1304@ezl.com



Have you tried such treatments as Arnica. This can help reduce the pain

and swelling. Also you might look into St. John's Wart in an oil base

which can help repair nerve sheath damage.



Best wishes

-- 

Tim Preston	    timp@sonic.net

*--------------------------------*

   Student of Computer Sciences

    Santa Rosa Junior College

         Santa Rosa, CA



"Looking to the future is like dreaming,

  when you wake up you are still here."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tobacco and Herbs

From: "Douglas L. Jones" <st5ae@jetson.uh.edu>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:39:28 -0600



Anyone with suggestions on herbs that are useful for aiding smokers to

quit?



Thanks

-- 







+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and

give the wrong answers.    -- A Bit of Fry and Laurie

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tobacco and Herbs

From: cathy <bowmans@erols.com>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 22:45:52 -0500



Douglas L. Jones wrote:

> 

> Anyone with suggestions on herbs that are useful for aiding smokers to

> quit?





Douglas,



Lobelia - almost same molecular structure as nicotine, but 

non-addictive.



St. John's Wort  -  acts as an anti-depressant



Ma Huang - energy.



Incidently, i am by no means an expert. It's just stuff i've read

as I myself have just recently quit smoking. I am not using them,

though. I have decided to go on the patch.



Cathy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tobacco and Herbs

From: ravel@cycor.ca (Syd Baumel)

Date: 21 Nov 96 18:00:43 -600



>Anyone with suggestions on herbs that are useful for aiding smokers to

>quit?



I've heard of oats traditionally being used for that purpose, but over in the

orthomolecular camp I've personally had remarkable success using the

stress-adaptive amino acid tyrosine to wean me off cigarettes a few times in

the past very stressful year when I've turned to my smoky old friends for

comfort for a few weeks at a time.  Once I've decided that I _must_ quit

again, I've found that with tyrosine to gird my loins, withdrawal stress and

cravings have been almost unnoticeable. I've used about a gram or two a day,

as needed, during the acute withdrawal period of a week or so.  Also, I'm a

very light drinker, but I've noticed that when I take tyrosine I have to

keep reminding myself to have a shot of ale (all-natural, unpasteurized, of

course <g>) or cider -- my alcoholic beverages of preference.



Syd



Syd Baumel

author of Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing, 1995,

1-800-858-7014, http://www.keats.com)







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tobacco and Herbs

From: skydream99@aol.com

Date: 23 Nov 1996 04:59:14 GMT



Hi there!  I used the patch to quit smoking, but in addition, I

supplemented with Calms Forte and Bach's Rescue Remedy, as well as,

Celestrial's Tension Tamer Tea.  I needed this to help with the

nervousness and anxiousness.  Once in a while I would also have Valerian

Root.  I know alot of people that used St. John's Wort for the depression

that some people get when they quit.  That's about all I have to offer to

you.  I hope that helps you out a little bit.  I will admit though, it did

make it easy for me with what I mentioned because I have been smoke-free

for 3 months now.  Good luck to you.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Diet and Supplement Tips

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 18:51:37 GMT





                        Diet and Supplement Tips

                                     

     From: "Topics in Modern Naturopathy"  copyright 1996

     Brian McInturff      turf@mindspring.com  

     May be copied and distributed for non-commercial

     purposes.  

     

     

     I am knowledgeable about diet, supplements, and health

     issues in general.  When asked by those who know of my

     interests if there is any natural way to perhaps alleviate

     their health problems, I am usually at a loss to

     recommend anything specific until I know further

     symptoms, habits, and environment.  But, I figured I

     could at least come up with a minimum of

     recommendations for anyone who has common problems

     or those who want to preserve their health.

     

     I make these recommendations without regard to Hulda

     Clark's "safe" supplement list.  If one has a serious health

     problem, or needs to be concerned  with solvent and

     other toxin ingestion, see her book, "The Cure for all

     Diseases" for the safe lists.  Unfortunately, many of the

     supplements she recommends are only available mail

     order where I live.  I look for "solvent free" and other

     assuring labels on supplements, but these claims cannot

     be believed without testing.

     

     I generally make no recommendations where to buy

     products I mention.  I have seen them in multiple health

     food stores in my area.

     

     To get some assurance that a new hard tablet supplement

     will be somewhat absorbed when eaten, and not merely

     passed through the digestive tract undissolved, ensure that

     it can easily be crushed with the teeth the first time it is

     taken.

     

     Do not try to treat acute illnesses with this information

     and only use for preventative measures.  Check with a

     doctor if one has a condition which could be aggravated

     by diet, herbs, or vitamin supplements. 

     

     

     BASIC SUPPLEMENTS

     

     The very basic daily supplements to use include the

     following:

     

       A good multivitamin, which has lots of minerals

     including selenium and boron, plus vitamin D, e.g. Solgar

     V75, Now Vit-Mins 75+, Twinlab Daily One, KAL Life

     Defenses, etc.

     

       Calcium and Magnesium mineral combination, e.g.

     Solgar Calcium Magnesium with Boron, Now Calcium

     Magnesium, Now Full Spectrum Minerals, Now Calcium

     Citrate. 

     

     Some of the vitamins and minerals I recommend above

     come in large tablets.  If taking large pills is a problem,

     look for supplements which call for more pills to get the

     recommended dose.  (The Solgar cal/mag is smaller than

     the Now version).  Else, the pills can be ground in a

     blender with some liquid and drunk.  All the tablets I

     recommend can be chewed if one cannot swallow large

     ones, like Now Full Spectrum Minerals, but the taste is

     usually unpleasant.

     

     I try to construct supplement plans so that they are taken

     a maximum of twice per day.  This is the limit of

     convenience for most people.  It is more effective to take

     some supplements, notably the stone and deposit herbs,

     more than twice per day, but since most people will not

     do this, I specify a twice per day regimen.

     

     Taking separate supplements, like B complex, E capsules,

     beta carotene tablets, etc, as a matter of course is

     probably more detrimental to one's health than taking

     nothing at all since they contain so much filler and other

     potentially harmful ingredients.  Clark finds that most

     herbs are okay, but many other supplements contain so

     many toxins that they can be hazardous to one's health

     and are certainly not worth supplementing them

     separately.  That is why the only supplements I

     recommend taking long term are a multivitamin and

     multimineral supplement and perhaps vitamin C.  The

     rest are for short term and special purposes only.

     

     

     CALCIUM, MAGNESIUM, AND MINERALS

     

     Calcium, magnesium, and other minerals are best

     absorbed when there is sufficient acid in the stomach. 

     This can be ensured in a number of ways.  The easiest is

     to consume a cup of 2% milk along with them, which

     provides fat and protein and causes the liver to produce

     bile which helps absorption, plus the vitamin D in milk

     aids in calcium assimilation.  Or, an acid may be taken

     directly, like a spoonful of vinegar or a quarter teaspoon

     of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) with the minerals.  Or, a

     handful of almonds may be taken in conjunction with the

     minerals.  Some mineral supplements include acid

     components like betaine HCL, which provides some acid

     to aid in absorption.

     

     Too much calcium carbonate decreases stomach acid

     which can lead to poor digestion.  It can also make one

     constipated.  Magnesium does not constipate, is more

     easily absorbed, and serves many of the same functions

     as calcium in the body, which is why it is a great

     supplement.  Taking it with calcium supposedly helps

     absorption of both and prevents possible problems with

     excess calcium supplementation.  Calcium citrate and

     other forms are available which do not affect stomach

     acid as much.

     

     Other minerals are helpful, too.  If there are not

     sufficient

     amounts in the multivitamin one chooses, I recommend

     taking Now Spectrum Minerals.  Be sure to get adequate

     boron and vanadium, and the RDA amounts of selenium

     and copper, too.  Silica is also a necessary mineral when

     treating some diseases, but is rarely found in

     multivitamins.  Yet, some multivitamins contain these,

     like Body Defense by KAL, but these types can be

     expensive since so many (3 or more tablets) are required

     for daily dosage.  It is usually cheaper to get an

     inexpensive multivitamin, like Twinlabs Daily One, and

     combine with Now Spectrum.

     

     Most multimineral and many vitamin supplements are

     manufactured with isopropanol, a poisonous solvent that

     is discussed further below.  It is used in the extraction

     process, and is mostly evaporated, but a tiny amount may

     remain.  One company advertises that its mineral

     supplement contains less than 0.0000003% isopropanol. 

     This still allows billions and billions of isopropanol

     molecules to be included in each tablet.  

     

     Pure magnesium oxide is a mineral that typically does not

     include isopropanol in the manufacturing process.  For

     those with serious illness, like cancer, this is the only

     mineral supplement that is recommended by Clark.  The

     rest of the minerals should come from food or fresh

     homemade juice.  Calcium should come from consuming

     3 cups or more of milk.  Large amounts of other minerals

     (and vitamins) can be had from juicing of vegetables,

     consuming large amounts of fresh fruits and vegetables,

     or by other whole foods, like barley, alfalfa, bean sprouts,

     soybeans, nettles, dandelion, etc.  This is also the best

     long term solution to getting adequate vitamins and

     minerals.  For even healthy people, it is best to use

     vitamin and mineral supplements only for special

     programs, like the ones below, and afterwards, use only

     magnesium oxide and herbs for daily maintenance, and

     consume adequate fresh produce and dairy products.

     

     Adequate amounts of nutrients can be consumed without

     using dairy products, juicing, or multi supplements. 

     Consume the following foods two or more times per

     week:  black mission figs, oatmeal, sesame seeds,

     sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, and almonds.  Use the

     seeds and nuts as protein/fat sources for two or more

     meals.  Eat a good variety of fresh produce and include

     green leafy and orange/yellow vegetables.  Plus, take the

     following:

     

       Gotu Kola - take as directed.

       Alfalfa - take as directed.

       Nettles - one capsule twice per day.

       Shavegrass - one capsule twice per day.

     

     Take the gotu kola and alfalfa continuously.  All of these

     are very inexpensive supplements.  I have seen Now

     brand gotu kola for $4 per 100 capsules.  A good

     concentrated alfalfa supplement is Solaray's Alfajuice.  It

     contains copious amounts of minerals, and also EFAs and

     amino acids, and is very inexpensive as well, a good

     price being $8 per 180 capsules.  Nettles and shavegrass

     are available in capsule form or bulk in some health food

     stores.  Use this natural food regimen instead of the

     above recommended multivitamin and multimineral if

     there is no tolerance for solvents.

     

     

     STONES, CRYSTALS, AND OTHER DEPOSITS

     

     A common problem is stones, crystals, and other deposits

     forming in the body.   These can cause difficulties in a

     number of areas, contributing to conditions such as

     arthritis, gout, chronic bouts of lower back pain, slow

     urination, urinary tract infections, kidney stones,

     gallstones, high blood pressure and serum cholesterol, and

     many others.  The herbs which combat these problems

     are generally known as "kidney herbs."

     

     The prime causes include the following: excess

     consumption of certain teas, which causes oxalate

     crystals; too much meat, grains, and sodas which cause

     phosphate crystals; too much coffee, chocolate, and other

     purine foods, which can cause uric acid crystals.  These

     crystals can be dissolved.  

     

     To help alleviate conditions caused by deposits, add the

     following for three to six weeks, or until relief is gained.



     Start slowly on these herbs (say at 1/4 dosage) and build

     up if one has no experience with herbs, or if one has

     known kidney stones or is elderly (in which case, see a

     doctor first anyway).  

     

     Turmeric and fennel are included since they help reduce

     gallstones when taken in combination with the kidney

     herbs.  Fennel seed and turmeric are the "bowel program"

     (see section on Digestion and Elimination below) but are

     useful in other ways as well.  See warnings below for

     taking large amounts of vitamin B6.

     

     For three to six weeks:

     

       3 Planetary Formula's "Stone Free" twice per day (the

     main ingredient of Stone Free is turmeric.)

       

       1/2 teaspoon fennel seeds twice per day, taken with 

     Stone Free.  Can also use fennel seed capsules, 2, twice

     per day, available at herb shops.

     

       3 vit B6 (100 mg) tablets, once per day, taken with

     the mineral supplement and multivitamin.

     

     OR

     

       3 Nature's Herbs Marshmallow Combination twice per

     day.

     

       3 Now (or comparable brand) Dandelion Root, twice

     per day.

     

       2 Turmeric capsules twice per day.  Can also use

     turmeric powder from spice section of market, 1/4 - 1/2

     teaspoon twice per day (mixed with honey and/or olive

     oil to make more palatable if desired)

     

      1/2 teaspoon fennel seeds twice per day, taken with 

     turmeric.  Can also use fennel seed capsules, 2, twice per

     day, available at herb shops.

     

       3 vit B6 (100 mg) tablets, once per day, taken with the

     mineral supplement and multivitamin.

     

     

     For three to six weeks and thereafter:

     

       Drink plenty of water (see Water section below) daily.

     

       Limit iced or hot tea (except herbal ones), coffee, and

     chocolate.

     

       Limit soft drinks.

     

       Decrease amount of grains and meats consumed, if now

     eating too much. Eat more fresh fruits, vegetables, and

     legumes instead.

     

       Consume adequate minerals.

     

     The following supplements will add to the effectiveness

     of the regimen.  Use as many as desired:  Parsley. 

     Merely pinch a handful, wash, and eat daily.  Parsley root

     is also available and can be used like any root vegetable. 

     Cherries, especially black cherries, or purchase black

     cherry concentrate, available at health food stores, and

     take 1 teaspoon or more twice per day while taking the

     kidney supplements.   Watermelon seeds.  Eat the seeds

     when consuming the melon, or purchase the dried seeds. 

     Even seedless watermelon is good.  Shavegrass.  A rich

     source of silica, and a very good addition for those with

     arthritis or skin problems following the program. 

     Cleavers and nettles.  Both rich in minerals, excellent

     diuretics, and good for those with skin problems like

     eczema or psoriasis.  Uva ursi.  A specific for those who

     are susceptible to bladder infections, and one of the

     Clark-specified herbs for kidneys.  Hydrangea root - take

     as directed.

     

     An extended program may be taken long term for

     conditions such as "knobby" joints caused by severe

     arthritis since it takes longer than six weeks to dissolve

     large deposits.  In this case, the vitamin B6 should be

     used for the first six weeks, then as directed below.  DO

     NOT take this great amount of B6 daily long term or

     permanent neuropathy may result.

     

     Extended program, up to six months:

     

     For six to eight weeks, follow either plan above.  The

     next four months or so:

     

       3 Nature's Herbs Marshmallow Combination once per

     day.

     

       3 Now (or comparable brand) Dandelion Root, once per

     day.

     

       Mineral supplement with good multivitamin daily.

     

       Consume adequate potassium from Morton Lite Salt, et

     al (as described in Potassium and Sodium section below).

      

       2 Turmeric capsules once per day.  

     

      1/2 teaspoon fennel seeds (or two capsules) once per

     day.

     

     For one day per week during the extended regimen, use

     the vitamin B6 along with the cal/mag supplement. 

     Again, DO NOT take this great amount of B6 long term.

     

     If there are still deposits after six months, then do one

     month on, one month off on the extended program

     (omitting the dandelion and marshmallow, but continuing

     the mineral and multivitamin supplements on the off

     months).  Long term use of diuretics such as these can be

     harmful.  The potassium in lite salt and dandelion root

     plus the minerals in the other supplements prevent

     electrolyte imbalance problems, but it is best to be under

     medical supervision while doing this long term.

     

     

     DIGESTION AND ELIMINATION

     

     Clark's liver cleanse is an effective remedy for problems

     concerning these, as well as allergies and a host of other

     health problems, like skin diseases and  obesity. 

     According to her, it is the best thing that anyone can do

     to improve his or her general health, since a

     well-functioning liver is crucial to the health of most

     other systems in the body.  It is a procedure for removing

     gallstones, which are also formed in the liver.  See Liver

     Cleanse section below.

     

     Many digestive problems are also caused by an

     unfavorable balance of intestinal flora.  The two best

     herbs to improve this condition are turmeric powder and

     fennel seeds (spice section at the grocery store).  Take

     some of each once or twice per day until there are no

     problems, or three weeks.  Fennel seeds can be chewed if

     one like the taste, but the turmeric is another matter. 

     Both of the herbs can be used in cooking.  Fresh turmeric

     root is sometimes available, which looks like ginger, and

     is tasty raw.  Otherwise, turmeric capsules for

     supplementation are available.  Fennel capsules are

     available, too, if it is not desired to chew the seeds.

     

     The regimen is as follows.  Two times daily for three

     weeks:

     

       1/2 teaspoon fennel seeds (or two capsules) 

     

       1/2 teaspoon turmeric powder (or two capsules).

     

     Eating yogurt, a tablespoon or more a day, is a good

     thing to do when following this regimen.  This would

     ensure that as harmful bacteria were eliminated from the

     intestines, that there were useful ones to immediately take

     their place.  Ensure the yogurt has active cultures.  It is

     listed on the label if it does.  It is best to eat two hours

     or more after last turmeric / fennel dosage and make

     one's own, using sterilized (or off-the-shelf) milk. 

     Beneficial bacteria capsules would also work instead of

     yogurt.  The best that I have seen for the money are PB8

     or JarroDophilus.

     

     Adding yellow dock, an herb, to the turmeric and fennel

     greatly adds to the liver cleansing effect, and causes the

     liver to expel accumulated solvents.  Milk thistle extract

     does as well.  Add to the regimen for a couple of weeks

     if desired.  Many who do this report that their elimination

     products have a petroleum smell.  If this is the case, use

     the yellow dock (plus milk thistle if desired) along with

     the turmeric and fennel for two weeks on, one week off

     until this smell no longer occurs.

     

     If one has problems with constipation, a couple of

     cascara sagrada capsules are good to relieve occasional

     symptoms.  A dose of 2 magnesium oxide (300 mg)

     tablets will help, as well as increasing dietary oil intake.



     Taking  3 slippery elm capsules is among the mildest

     form of laxative.  If I wanted to do a flush, I would take

     all of these together one evening along with lots of water.

     

     The best long term solution for digestion and elimination

     problems, though, is to eat more fresh produce and

     legumes and drink adequate amounts of water.  Walk

     daily for twenty minutes or more if one does not

     otherwise exercise.  Walking after eating is helpful, too. 

     

     Other supplements are known to cleanse the blood and

     lymphatic system.  For those with skin problems,

     enlarged lymph nodes, poor circulation, or long term

     constipation, take, in addition to the turmeric and fennel

     seeds:

     

       Nature's Herbs Red Clover Combination (as directed)

     

       Ginkgo biloba extract or cayenne capsules (as directed)

     

     

     WATER

     

     Tap water is better than bottled.  It might have some

     metals (usually picked up inside the home) but does not

     contain solvents, like almost all bottled water.  If it is

     suspected that one's municipality or private well does not

     provide safe, clean water (as some aging systems do not),

     then it is worthwhile to have the tap water tested for

     metals and other toxins plus bacteria and parasites.  The

     county health department has information.

     

     The plastic in which bottled water comes is usually a

     recycle code of 1 or 2, which means that it is easily

     recycled, but also means it leaches the most toxins into

     the water contained.  It is acceptable to use the bottled

     water containers to dispense tap water since it does not

     sit long enough to leach much.  To decrease chlorine

     content of tap water, if it is objectionable, let it sit in

a

     loosely covered pitcher for a half hour or more before

     drinking.  

     

     Even with this recommendation, I myself use water from

     a store called "Water for Life".  It is filtered, distilled,

     and ozonated.  They do not use solvents to clean their

     system.  It is scrubbed out with bleach once or twice a

     year.  The equipment is viewable behind glass windows

     in the store.  Customers fill their own bottles, so the

     water does not sit for months, dissolving the container,

     before it is consumed.   They sell plastic bottles that are

     recycle code 7 (least leaching), or other containers can be

     used.  I use glass 5 gal ones as well as their plastic ones.



     

     

     It is probably okay to bring one's own container to fill to

     stores which sell filtered/distilled water.  As long as the

     equipment is not cleaned in propyl or wood alcohol it is

     okay since the water one dispenses will not sit in a

     container too long.  But, without ozonation, distilled

     water tastes flat.

     

     Distilled water is not harmful, as some think.  As long is

     one is taking a multivitamin or eating food which

     contains even a trivial amount of minerals (which is

     usually any unprocessed food), there is no danger from

     leaching.

     

     If none of these alternatives for procuring water is

     feasible, then the next best solution is a "pitcher

purifier",

     like a Brita.  Do not use a Brita, which contains

     elemental silver in the carbon filter, if there are any

     prostate or uterine problems.  Look for one that uses a

     pure carbon filter.

     

     

     POTASSIUM AND SODIUM

     

     The correct ratio of potassium to sodium consumed

     should be 4:1, that is, 4 times more potassium than

     sodium.  Unfortunately, most North Americans consume

     the opposite, 1:4, ratio.

     

     Consume less sodium and more potassium it the ratio is

     not now correct.  Morton Lite Salt is half potassium and

     half sodium, plus does not use aluminum as an

     anti-caking agent, like almost every other salt.  It uses

     magnesium (as does Hain Sea Salt), which is a food

     instead of a toxin.  This is a start.  Look for potassium

     rich foods and try to consume one each day.  Good

     sources include almonds, milk, bananas, apricots, most

     saltwater fish, et al.

     

     Consuming adequate potassium is very important and

     many report that merely using Lite Salt instead of regular

     salt has greatly improved their well-being if they were

     not consuming enough previously.

     

     

     FATS AND OILS

     

     Limit fried foods, which usually contain trans fatty acids. 

     These are more harmful than eating saturated fats, which

     are not damaged by heat.  If high temperatures are used,

     as in cooking popcorn, the healthiest fats/oils to use are

     probably coconut oil or lard (not hydrogenated). Peanut

     oil can withstand high temperatures and is probably the

     best vegetable oil in which to fry, but that is not saying

     much. The essential fatty acids found in peanut, soy,

     corn, and especially canola oils form trans fatty acids,

     and these are usually already formed in the high heat

     used in their processing.

     

     Avoid hydrogenated oils, the kind in almost every kind of

     processed food and margarine.  Butter is healthier.  Best

     commonly available oil to use is virgin olive oil.  Use

     whenever possible, but don't use for high-heat cooking. 

     For a spread, blend softened unsalted butter with an equal

     amount of virgin olive oil and add lite-salt to taste.  This

     spread can by used to saute if the heat is kept low (half

     max heat).

     

     Using unsalted nuts or seeds for fat sources is a good

     method.  Almonds are among the best nuts, since they

     have a decent amount of protein, lots of fiber, and

     calcium, plus can be easily consumed raw.  Macadamias

     have about the highest oil content, and are favorable as

     far as having the most monounsaturated fat of any nut. 

     Plus, like walnuts, they provide some omega 3s, an oil

     typically lacking in most people's diet.  Other sources of

     it include salmon, tuna, flax seed, and pumpkin seeds.  I

     often recommend pumpkin seeds and eating 1/4 cup per

     week is a good supplement for anyone.

     

     To prepare nuts, buy them raw.  Discard discolored and

     shriveled ones. Consume raw.  Some people do not like

     raw nuts, however.  Peanuts, really legumes, cannot be

     consumed raw either.  To blanch nuts, or to prepare

     peanuts, blanch them by first washing in water to which

     has been added 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon vitamin C crystals

     and Lite Salt to taste.  Then bake at 250 degrees for 20

     minutes or until dry.  This improves digestibility without

     damaging too much of the oil while the vitamin C helps

     neutralize possible aflatoxins.

     

     Omega Nutrition makes raw oils of all types, and any of

     these would be a good choice since they are undamaged

     during processing.  They developed a process called

     OmegaFlo which excludes heat and light during

     processing.  I have never seen Omega products in a

     health food store, though.  Recently, Arrowhead Mills

     began using OmegaFlo processing for some of their oils

     as well.  This brand would be a good choice since it is

     widely available.

     

     Essential fatty acid (EFA) supplementation is helpful in

     combatting some types of maladies, like skin problems. 

     A good product for this is Arrowhead Mills Essential

     Balance.  Take a teaspoon per day or as directed.  Hemp

     makes the best oil for EFA supplementation, but is hard

     to find, and expensive, at double the cost of Essential

     Balance.  These types of oils are found in the refrigerated

     section of the health food store and should be consumed

     within three of four weeks of opening.  Instead of

     consuming the oil straight, it can be blended into nut

     butters or used to make salad dressings.  A good EFA

     supplement would also be to make one's own nut butter

     by grinding (or food processing) one or more together:  1

     cup raw almonds, 1/4 cup flax seed, 1/4 cup raw sesame

     seeds, blanched peanuts as desired, and add extra virgin

     olive oil, hemp oil, or a balanced blend to make the

     correct consistency.

     

     

     DAIRY PRODUCTS AND EGGS 

     

     Dairy products are notorious for aggravating and even

     causing maladies such as irritable bowel syndrome,

     eczema, arthritis, fever, asthma, earaches, congestion, and

     more.  The reason is almost all dairy products are sources

     of salmonella and shigella.

     

     Pasteurization kills most of the harmful (and good)

     bacteria in dairy products.  Some remain.  If one's

     immune system is burdened with other tasks, they can

     sometimes get out of hand and cause problems.

     

     The safest thing to do is to use only sterilized dairy

     products.  Milk can be sterilized by boiling for ten

     seconds, then removing the film.  Cheese can be used in

     baked dishes.  Cream and butter are usually less

     contaminated than other dairy products, and are generally

     safe.  Yogurt that contains live and active cultures usually

     has enough good bacteria to offset the effects of bad

     ones, but it is better to make one's own from sterilized

     milk.  

     

     Some milk is sold on-the-shelf, warm.  It is sterile. 

     Otherwise, it would be an oozing cauldron of bacteria

     when opened.  It does not taste as good as cold milk,

     IMO, but that is the price to pay. 

     

     The bowel program (above) recommendations of turmeric

     and fennel are effective in preventing maladies caused by

     consuming unsterilized dairy products.

     

     Eggs are usually contaminated with small amounts of

     salmonella, according to Clark, but the source is the

     outside of the shell and the carton, not the inside of the

     egg.  They can be safely consumed (even raw) by

     washing the shell then one's hands before preparing.

     

     

     ENERGY, WEIGHT LOSS, AND CHOLESTEROL

     

     To improve energy levels, lose weight, or reduce serum

     cholesterol, never eat starchy carbohydrates alone.  Try to

     get at least some fat, protein, and carbohydrate at every

     meal or snack.  The ideal ratio for energy, as well as

     losing weight, is about 40% calories from carbohydrate,

     30% calories from protein, 30% calories from fat.  This is

     a ratio of grams of 9g carb to 7g protein to 3g fat. 

     Getting close to this ratio is good enough.  After a while,

     a person will develop a sense of how much of what to eat

     to maximize energy levels.  To read a technical discourse

     on this subject, see the book "The Zone", by Barry Sears. 

     Many other dietary recommendations are out that are

     along these lines, and can be found in "Paleolithic

     Prescription", "Protein Power", "Beyond Pritikin", et al.

     

     Try to avoid sugars and starchy carbohydrates, like rice

     or bread, unless eaten with adequate protein and fat. 

     Otherwise, blood sugar levels rise too much, then fall too

     much, creating lethargy and in the presence of excess

     calories, weight gain.  It is best to keep constant low

     levels of sugar in the blood.  This can be done with even

     starchy diets if not much is eaten at one time.  Mixing

     starches and proteins is not good for digestion but it does

     keep blood sugar levels down.  2% milk is a food which

     is pretty well balanced all by itself.

     

     If sugar is used, a good one is turbinado sugar, which is

     made from raw sugar cane.  A better one is Sucanat,

     which is made from raw cane juice, and contains many

     naturally occurring vitamins and minerals (lots more than

     even turbinado sugar).  Besides being harmful by raising

     insulin levels too much (which even these "good" sugars

     do), refined sugar requires vitamins and minerals to be

     digested, and since it does not contain any, it effectively

     leaches them from the body.  White sugar is a source of

     solvents and this is the main reason to avoid it.  The

     amount that a food raises one's blood sugar level is

     measured by the glycemic index.  White sugar is the

     standard at 100.  Rice is worse, at 120.  

     

     This is from a post I made to the internet regarding the

     zone diet:

     

     On my "imperfect zone diet", I avoid hydrogenated oils

     and trans fats, but otherwise, eat as much fat as I want.  I

     try to get at least some protein when eating

     carbohydrates.  I use fat as well as protein and fiber to

     lower the glycemic index (GI) of foods.  For example,

     the GI of ice cream is very low (35) compared to fat free

     frozen yogurt (90), so is more favorable.

     

     I try to ensure that protein and fat are included at every

     meal.  After two weeks of following, weight will begin to

     come off for most people.  If too many meals and snacks

     are included with excess carbs or inadequate protein and

     fat, one will not gain benefits of weight loss, increased

     energy, lower blood pressure, and lower cholesterol.  

     

     Most vegetables are good, except corn, rice, and potatoes,

     which must be balanced because of excessive carbs, as

     should bakery products.  Generally, avoid sugars and

     limit starches.  One can still occasionally eat high carb

     starchy items, like a baked potato, but balance it with

     plenty of cheese, butter, and broccoli (e.g.) or other

     protein and fat.  Fruits are generally high in sugar and

     must be balanced.

     

     It is important to include fat with every meal or snack if

     possible.  In the zone diet, the body learns how to burn

     fat for energy, instead of carbs.  There is only a small

     amount of carbs available for energy, unlike fat, and for

     most people, the body burns fat more efficiently.  Many

     people have a very hard time including enough fat when

     starting off since they have been conditioned to think of

     eating fat = getting fat.  If one does not include enough

     fat, though, the body will not learn to burn it, and the

     effect of the diet is to just make one hungry and

     depressed.

     

     It is possible for someone with normal or elevated insulin

     response to eat a low fat diet with high amounts of

     carbohydrates and still maintain weight and health, but

     only when caloric intake is severely limited.  Exercise

     can also keep blood sugar levels down, but a lot is

     required to offset a high-carb/low-fat diet.  When eating

     zone favorable, three times as many calories can be

     consumed in a day as when eating low-fat/high-carb, in

     my experience, and exercise is not even necessary, but

     always helpful.

     

     Eating zone-like is not for everyone.  It is estimated that

     25% of the US population does not have elevated insulin

     response to carbohydrates.  These people are usually

     naturally slim, and have no use for the zone diet.  Many

     of them report feeling depressed and lethargic when

     eating in the zone.  This is understandable.  They already

     regulate blood sugar levels well and balancing with

     protein and fat keeps the insulin level too low.  For the

     rest of the population, blood sugar rises excessively after

     eating too many unbalanced carbs, then falls too much,

     creating lethargy, and in the presence of too many

     calories, weight gain.

     

     Following are examples, showing good and bad daily

     diets (for me).  It is very difficult for people to believe

     that the first example is healthier than the second for

     most people in the US.  It is very hard to reprogram

     oneself to eat a healthy diet when the popular

     low-fat/high-carb mantra contradicts the best method.  

     

     Favorable daily diet example (for me).  Promotes weight

     loss, low blood sugar, low blood pressure, low serum

     cholesterol:

     

     Breakfast:  Eggs (or egg beaters) with cheese. Fruit.

     Snack:  Peanut butter on apple.

     Lunch:  Meat and mayo on single slice of bread. 

     Almonds.  Fruit.

     Snack:  High protein bar (PRBar, Balance, Spirutein, etc.)

     Dinner: Meat and lots of vegetables with [better] butter.

     Snack:  Ice cream.

     

     Drink no juices or sugary drinks without balancing. 

     Drink 2% milk whenever desired since it is already pretty

     much balanced.  Juice [like orange] with some oil [like

     olive] and vanilla protein powder works well for a snack.

     

     Unfavorable daily diet example (for me).  Increases

     likelihood of weight gain, high blood sugar, high blood

     pressure, high serum cholesterol:

     

     Breakfast:  Bagel, apple, orange.

     Snack: Nutrigrain bar.

     Lunch: Subway turkey sandwich with vegetables and

     mustard.  Pretzels.

     Snack: Fat free fig newtons or fruit.

     Dinner: Low fat vegetables and rice.  Low fat meat.

     Snack: No-fat frozen yogurt or ice milk.

     

     An easy to follow zone-like diet is to merely avoid all

     sugars and starches.  Or, take the food pyramid and omit

     the bottom sections, grains and cereals.

     

     Most people who perform the zone diet note that their

     serum cholesterol levels improve.  I speculate that this is

     mainly a function of improved liver function since it

     produces bile when fat or protein is eaten.  Eating too

     little fat and protein allows bile to "back up", and

     cholesterol levels to rise.  Another reason is that the

     metabolism of starches raises cholesterol levels.

     

     The new Atkins diet takes the zone diet a step beyond by

     further restricting carbohydrates.  It is quite good for

     losing large amounts of weight and reducing serum

     cholesterol a great deal in a short period.

     See the book "The Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution" for

     more information. "Protein Power" also restricts

     carbohydrates more than the zone diet.

     

     The only problem with eating a solely protein and fat diet

     is that it is hard on the kidneys and contributes to crystal

     and stone formation from the excess uric acid produced

     in the body.  Doing a carbohydrate-free diet for too long

     (many months or years) may lead to kidney damage,

     although the likelihood of this happening is less when

     taking adequate vitamins and minerals as outlined above

     in the general supplementation regimen.

     

     A safer way for someone to lose a large amount of

     weight is to perform the Atkins diet one month and the

     Zone diet the next, repeating until the desired weight is

     lost or serum cholesterol reduced.

     

     The Atkins diet recommends copious amounts of low GI

     vegetables as the primary carbohydrates, then all the

     meat, fish, cheese, butter, etc, one wants to eat.  Yes,

     with the current misinformation about weight loss and

     cholesterol management being profilgated by the medical

     community, it certainly seems paradoxical.

     

     The Atkins diet does not allow fruit, which contains

     sugar, but vegetables like broccoli, spinach, brussel

     sprouts, peas, etc, are encouraged.  These types of

     vegetables are high in protein and fiber and low in

     carbohydrates. 

     

     An imperfect Atkins diet would be to eat all the protein

     and fat one wants, but limit carbohydrates to those which

     have less than 5 g carbohydrate per serving.  When

     computing the grams of carbohydrate a vegetable has, it

     is okay to subtract fiber grams from the carbohydrate

     count.  Although this is imperfect, since the fiber grams

     are sometimes included in the carbohydrate count and

     sometimes not, it works well enough.  For example, if a

     product has 8 g carbohydrate per serving, but 5 grams of

     fiber, it may be considered a total of 3 grams, so is

     acceptable.

     

     Another type of diet for weight loss is known as the

     "carb lover's" diet.  It is basically high protein and fat,

     like an Atkin's or Protein Power, but for one hour per

     day, all the starches and sugars one wants to consume is

     allowed.  The rationale is that having only one large

     blood sugar spike per day is acceptable as long as the rest

     of the time, it is balanced.

     

     A supplement that many people have success using for

     weight loss is a ma huang, which provides ephedra and

     raises metabolism.  Ephedra is the active component of

     many asthma preparations.  Combining this with salicylic

     acid (the active component of aspirin) and caffeine makes

     it much more effective.  A natural source of caffeine is

     guarana.  A natural source of salicylics is white willow

     bark.  A supplement that contains all of these components

     in combination is Twinlab Metabolift.  Supplements like

     this should not be taken long term, but are acceptable for

     a month or two at a time.

     

     Another supplement that is helpful and safe for weight

     loss, especially in the winter, is medium chain

     triglycerides (MCTs).  The Life Extension Foundation

     recommends taking MCTs before performing moderate

     exercise in the winter, such as a brisk half hour walk. 

     The body produces a lot of heat which continues to raise

     metabolism for hours after exercise, and does so even

     more when MCTs are taken beforehand.

     

     One reason for very low metabolism is an underactive

     thyroid.  This can  be due to accumulation of metals

     (especially dental metals), solvents, parasites, or iodine

     deficiency.  Iodine deficiency is rare in the US, but if an

     underactive thyroid is suspected, ensure that 100% RDA

     or iodine is consumed.  It is included in iodized salt and

     most multivitamins.  Kelp is a rich source as well.

     

     

     PARASITES

     

     Like all mammals, humans are host to a number of

     parasites.  We are good at keeping the external ones at

     bay, but do not usually notice internal parasites. 

     According to the recent book by Ann Louise Gittleman

     (the author of "Beyond Pritikin") entitled "Guess What

     Came to Dinner", parasite infections are among the most

     commonly misdiagnosed form of illness in the US today. 

     She blames this on the lack of training conventional

     doctors in the US have in diagnosing and treating this

     kind of disease.  This is not surprising to me since

     average allopaths' knowledge and training in this field is

     similar to their knowledge and training on the most

     important aspect of health, nutrition, and that is

     practically none.

     

     According to Gittleman, typical symptoms that can be

     caused by parasites that are usually misdiagnosed by

     physicians include constipation, diarrhea, gas and

     bloating, joint and muscle aches, anemia, allergies, skin

     problems, teeth grinding, chronic fatigue, and immune

     dysfunction.  In my observations, many skin problems are

     quickly and easily cured in a short time with antiparasitic

     supplements, even if they have been treated

     unsuccessfully by dermatologists for years or even

     decades.

     

     Hulda Clark also finds that parasitic infestation is quite

     common in the US.  She states that many chronic and

     serious diseases, as well as the "simple ones" that

     Gittleman investigates, are caused by parasites, too. 

     According to her, many of the worst problems occur

     when a parasite migrates from its usual home in the body

     to an organ on which havoc is wreaked because of its

     inability to deal with the invader, as when intestinal

     flukes migrate to the liver.  The reason for this migration,

     she says, is usually accumulation of toxins which

     weakens the organ to withstand an infestation.

     

     Even if most people cannot believe that they have

     parasites, anyone would do well to at least practice some

     of the following tips to reduce or eliminate infestations.

     

     According to Gittleman, many foods are effective in

     reducing or eliminating parasites.  She also has an entire

     section in her book on prescription drugs to rid them after

     diagnosis, but according to her, these drugs have many

     side effects and each is only typically effective at

     removing one type of parasite, while leaving the others. 

     IMO, it is far more effective to systemically reduce or

     remove all the invaders at once through supplements,

     diet, and perhaps other means.

     

     According to Gittleman, foods which have an

     antiparasitic effect include pineapple and papaya and

     especially their enzymes, pomegranate, pumpkin and its

     seeds, garlic, onions, radish, kelp, raw cabbage and

     sauerkraut, almonds (especially ground), blackberries, et

     al.

     

     Gittleman states that the following herbs have an

     antiparasitic effect:  fennel, thyme, sage, black walnut,

     goldenseal, cloves, male fern, wormwood, slippery elm,

     pinkroot, and grapefruit seed extract. 

     

     Clark finds these herbs to be the best for the purpose and

     should be used in combination:  wormwood, still-green

     black walnut hulls, and cloves.  Clark also states that

     quassia is effective.  Other herbs that have antiparasitic

     effects are pau d'arco and cat's claw.  There are many

     others.

     

     If a single supplement is desired to combat parasites as a

     preventative, good products to take are either Kroeger

     Herb's Wormwood Combination or Michael's Paraherbs

     or Nature's Way Para-X since these already contain black

     walnut and cloves.  Combining any of these with black

     walnut tincture or Nature's Way Black Walnut Hulls and

     whole cloves for more effect is highly recommended.  

     

     My general recommendation for fighting parasites in

     non-serious disease is the following:

      

     Cat's Claw

       or

     Quassia

       or

     Kroeger Herb's Wormwood Combination

       or 

     Michael's Paraherbs

       or

     Nature's Way Para-X

       or 

     Pau D'arco (aka lapacho)

       or

     Fresh wormwood leaves (see below)

     

     Plus 

     

     Black Walnut Tincture (see below)

      or

     Nature's Way Black Walnut Hulls.

     

     Build up slowly to double the recommended dosages,

     ensuring no allergies.  Take for three weeks and then

     once per week afterwards.

     

     If another brand of walnut hulls is used, ensure it

     specifies that the hulls were processed while still green.

     

     Plus

     

     15 cloves twice per day (whole ones from the spice

     section at the market (not garlic)).  Chew if desired.  If

     not, grind the fresh ones up.  They are hot but can be

     consumed with a bit of olive oil and honey to mitigate

     the heat, or put into capsules oneself.  Do not use

     already-ground cloves.  If filling into gelatin capsules,

use

     three capsules, twice per day.  Use for three weeks, then

     once per week afterward.  Or see the recipe for clove

     extract below.  Kroeger Herb Products sells clove

     capsules which are freshly ground and are acceptable.

     

     Plus, if desired, 

     

     Raw pumpkin seeds.  Blanch if desired - see instructions

     above in Fats and Oils section.  For three weeks then as

     desired.

     

     Fresh wormwood leaves can be taken instead of the

     combination antiparasitic and this is more effective.  Find

     someone who has a wormwood bush (artemesia

     absynthium) or grow one's own and pick the leaves.  Eat

     four to five leaves twice per day for three weeks then

     once per week afterward.  Since these are very bitter,

     they are best consumed by placing the leaves in capsules

     and swallowing.  Gelatin capsules are available at many

     health food stores.

     

     Black walnut tincture can be made oneself.  Procure a

     gallon's worth of black walnuts, unshelled.  Use only

     green ones. Wash well.  Place in a gallon jar that has a

     plastic lid.  Fill with 90 or 100 proof vodka, or half grain

     alcohol to half distilled water.  Add 2 teaspoons of

     soluble vitamin C crystals to prevent molds from

     forming.  Replace lid.  Shake daily for four days. 

     Remove black walnuts and discard them.  Fill smaller

     jars or bottles to the top to store.  Take 2 teaspoons twice

     per day for three weeks, then once per week afterward.

     

     To make clove extract, procure a whole bottle of cloves

     (2 ounces or more).  Grind them up and cover with 4

     ounces vodka, place in jar, and shake daily for four days. 

     Cover jar with paper towel and let sit in warm place (80-

     90 deg F, but not in direct sunlight) until volume is

     reduced by half.  Add 2 ounces of olive oil (extra virgin). 

     Store in refrigerator.  To use, shake well and use 1

     teaspoon twice per day for three week, then once per

     week afterward.  If this is still too hot, can add another 2

     ounces of oil and use 1.5 teaspoon per dose.  The cloves

     are not discarded, as the black walnut hulls are.

     

     To prevent reinfestation of parasites, avoid undercooked

     meat and fish, questionable water supplies, plus buffets,

     salad bars and other uncovered food at restaurants and at

     home.  Wash hands and nails well before eating, after

     using the bathroom, and especially after touching animals. 

     Keep pets deparasitized.  Use impeccably hygienic

     practices when dealing with raw meats.  Replace or

     sterilize the dish rag, dish towel, and sponges daily. 

     Keep the house well dusted and vacuumed.  

     

     Gittleman also gives procedures for using a weak bleach

     solution to soak produce and meats to kill any invaders,

     then rinsing well.  Clark says she does not find many

     parasites (or insecticides and such) in fresh fruit and

     vegetables as long as they are thoroughly rinsed with

     water.

     

     In her book, "Cure for all Diseases", Clark gives

     instructions and a schematic to build a simple circuit

     powered by a 9 volt battery which she says kills parasites

     in the body.  It sounds insane to those who have not

     studied this device, but many people think that it does

     indeed work and it has been my experience so far that it

     works for many conditions.  It is called a "zapper" and

     Clark states that it also kills bacteria, viruses, and fungi

     in the body.  It is built oneself in a shoebox with $20

     worth of Radio Shack parts using Clark's easy

     instructions.  No soldering or electronics knowledge is

     necessary for construction.  The zapper itself is not the

     "cure for all diseases" but is only one of the many

     different modalities useful in some diseases.

     

     I highly recommend that everyone perform an

     antiparasitic course of supplementation if this has never

     been done.  This is best done with a zapper (see section

     on zappers below) and black walnut tincture.  For those

     with no serious illness, zap daily for one week or more,

     then three times per week for two weeks more. 

     Afterwards, zap weekly or as desired.  According to

     Clark, those with serious illness caused by parasites,

     bacteria, fungi, or viruses should zap daily until better,

as

     well as take black walnut hull tincture to remove any

     parasites in the intestines that the zapper cannot reach, if

     appropriate.

     

     If a zapper is not owned, parasites can be removed very

     effectively with the herbs above.  Many people who

     perform either regimen for the first time are surprised by

     the effects - of longstanding skin conditions that clear up

     almost magically, digestion problems solved, sometimes

     even serious or chronic illnesses, that are a mystery to

     most, being greatly alleviated.  The most unusual effect

     that I have seen, that not even Clark notes, is that those

     who perform the regimen no longer react severely to

     things like poison ivy and bug bites (since parasites cause

     excess histamine response to allergens).  I think it is the

     single most important course of supplementation.

     

     For serious disease caused by parasites, and if a zapper is

     not owned, I would follow Clark's recommendations to

     take wormwood (or wormwood combination), cloves, and

     black walnut hull tincture.  This combination of herbs is

     tested by her to be effective in treating over 100 different

     kinds of parasites.

     

     Insomnia is often reported by those performing the

     antiparasitic regimen for the first time.  This is from

     excess ammonia in the body caused by the decomposition

     of parasites.  Ammonia is a waste product of living

     parasites as well, and can cause this problem beforehand,

     too.  To combat this, take ornithine, a harmless amino

     acid that is very inexpensive.  Take as directed, or up to

     6 capsules per night if parasite-caused insomnia is a

     problem.

     

     

     LIVER CLEANSE

     

     According to Clark, a Liver Cleanse is the single most

     useful procedure for improving one's general health since

     a well-functioning liver is crucial to most other organ's

     continued health.  It is only performed after doing a

     Stones and Crystals regimen as directed above, and

     deparasitizing for three weeks.  If these two steps are not

     performed first, the liver cleanse can be a traumatic (and

     unproductive) experience since the amount of refuse

     produced by the cleanse can tax the kidneys if they are

     not clean, and parasites in the bile ducts can block the

     flow of bile, leading to

     painful pressure.

     

     Even young, healthy people who perform the liver

     cleanse are amazed at the number of "stones" they pass. 

     Usually many of split-pea and larger size are passed.  If

     directions are followed exactly, the procedure is always

     painless, even for those well into their 80's, according to

     Clark, and that is based on over 500 of her cases. 

     Although the procedure looks daunting and distasteful, it

     is quite easy and those who perform it never hesitate

     doing it again.

     

     The flush will produce a multitude of what looks like

     balls of lard which contain crystals that are like salt. 

     They are called "stones" but are really crystals encased in

     cholesterol, fat, and olive oil.  Large stones will also be

     encased in the substance and will not produce pain when

     passed through the bowel.

     

     Clark instructs to do the liver cleanse every two to three

     weeks until 1000 to 3000 stones total are eliminated (yes,

     she says to estimate their count each time in the toilet

     after a bowel movement).  She says this will permanently

     cure allergies, high serum cholesterol, and other maladies

     like chronic upper back pain.

     

     Here is her cleanse procedure, which I have slightly

     modified by specifying more olive oil and the use of

     lemon juice instead of grapefruit juice, since those who

     perform the procedure report removing many more stones

     doing so.  Many report that consuming a cup per day of

     unfiltered apple juice the week before the cleanse causes

     more stones to be passed, but the stones and crystals

     regimen works much better in this respect.

     

     It is best to do the cleanse on a Saturday, where the next

     day will be free, since the epsom salts will cause loose

     stools.  The worst part about this is not drinking the olive

     oil or lemon juice, but the doses of epsom salts. 

     Decrease the amount of olive oil to 3/4 cup and lemon

     juice to 1/3 cup if ones weighs less than 150 pounds. 

     Increase the amount of olive oil to 1.25 cups and lemon

     juice to 2/3 cup if one weighs above 225.  Same with the

     epsom salts.  Consider decreasing or increasing slightly

     based on weight (use scant or slightly rounded

     tablespoon).

     

     The ingredients for the cleanse are:

     

     4 tablespoons of epsom salts 

     8 ornithine capsules

     1 cup olive oil

     Bag of lemons (or enough for 1/2 cup fresh squeezed

     lemon juice)

     

     Fresh squeezed grapefruit juice may also be used if

     lemon juice cannot be consumed.  Use 3/4 cup.

     

     Ornithine is an amino acid that is very inexpensive.  In

     large quantities, it is useful as a sleeping aid.  It is

     available at any good herb or vitamin shop.  Do not

     attempt to do a cleanse without it, or Clark states that it

     will be a bad night. There is no toxic amount.  For olive

     oil, in this case only, use light or light-tasting olive

oil. 

     Extra virgin is hard to drink in this manner because it is

     richer.  Also add stevia to the lemon juice and olive oil

     to make more palatable if desired. 

     

     The day of the cleanse, eat no protein and especially no

     fat for lunch or breakfast.  Do not eat anything after 2:00

     pm.  At 6:00 pm, drink 3/4 cup water with 1 tablespoon

     epsom salts stirred in.  At 8:00 pm, repeat, another 3/4

     cup water with 1 T epsom salts.   Squeeze lemons

     enough to make 1/2 cup.  Strain out pulp and seeds.  Put

     in jar with olive oil and shake well. Refrigerate until

     used.

     

     Visit bathroom as needed since the epsom salts will be

     working by now.  At 10:00 pm, shake, then drink olive

     oil/lemon juice solution with 4 to 8 ornithine capsules,

     and immediately lie down with the head elevated on a

     pillow.  Stay perfectly still on back for at least 20

     minutes.  Go to sleep on back if possible.  If one

     normally has trouble falling asleep or weighs over 225,

     use the greater number of ornithine.  If not, or one

     weighs less than 150, use a lesser amount.

     

     When one awakes, take another dose of 1T epsom salt

     with 3/4 cup of water, but not before 6:00 am.  Two

     hours later, take the last dose of epsom salts and water.  

     

     Estimate count or stones and crystals each time the

     bathroom is used after the olive oil solution is taken. 

     Include small bits of "chaff", which is anything floating

     in the toilet.  Although most liver flushes call all the

bits

     and pieces floating "stones" they usually are not.  They

     appear to be blobs of lard covered in green bile which

     contain crystals, which are like salt.  Any real stones will

     also be encased in the lard-like substance, so passing

     even large or sharp ones is painless.

     

     By noon, can start eating lightly again.  Start with juice. 

     Work up to fruit.  By evening, one should feel fine and

     be eating normally.

     

     Those who follow my Stone and Crystals program report

     less large stones on the first cleanse then those who

     follow Clark's kidney plan.  I surmise that this is because

     the turmeric and fennel seeds in addition to the kidney

     herbs decreases the amount and size of gallstones as well. 

     If the liver cleanse procedure will not be done, then

     perform the Stones and Crystals plan above long term

     until there are no problems.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Diet and Supplement Tips

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:59:58 GMT





>     I am knowledgeable about diet, supplements, and health

>     issues in general.  When asked by those who know of my

>     interests if there is any natural way to perhaps alleviate

>     their health problems, I am usually at a loss to

>     recommend anything specific until I know further

>     symptoms, habits, and environment.  But, I figured I

>     could at least come up with a minimum of

>     recommendations for anyone who has common problems

>     or those who want to preserve their health.

>     

Try carrot juice for starters



Sincerely;



Margie

Margie's Rare books 

http//www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need help for allergies

From: rkat@ix.netcom.com(Charlene M Pieczonka)

Date: 19 Nov 1996 19:17:02 GMT



I know y'all must be sick of me asking you for help for my hubby but

here I am again. He's dear to me, his health is important and you have

all been so great to me in the past.



With no warning and no justifications, Steve's doctor has yanked away

his allergy medicine. He has hayfever, is allergic to dust and cats.

Unfortunately we have 4 kitties who are like children so getting rid of

them isn't an option but they aren't the majority of the problem.

He also travels the highways and constantly is exposed to huge doses of

pollution and car exhaust on a daily basis. On top of his allergies!!

He's allergic to bees so can't take anything with bee pollen in it and

once had a very bad allergic reaction that lead to shock and a trip to

the hospital after a bug bite he got while he was fishing.



Steve was on Seldane for 7 years with no problems, it made him feel

better than he had in years!! Then this doctor changed his medication,

putting him on Claritin-D. That worked well, too.



Until we asked for a refill. Seems this doctor thinks that if Steve is

caught by DOT with allergy medicine, ANY allergy medicine in his system

that he'll get his license yanked by DOT. Not so!! The checks are

random, he's even gotten pulled over twice in one week and him and the

DOT guy had a good laugh about it, too!! When he has gotten stopped he

has simply showed the guy the list of medications he is on, told him

WHY he is on them and there has never been a problem with the urine

tests. I'm also going to contact DOT to see if their rules have changed

regarding allowable medication.



Without his allergy medicine he snores so loudly he wakes himself up.

This means he doesn't sleep well and we all know how sleep deprived

truck drivers are anyway. Without enough sleep he's going to go out on

the road already drowsy and then have to deal with the mind fog that

allergies produce.



I already know that Echinacea boosts the immune system and have been

told that pantothetic acid is good for allergies. Does anyone have any

other suggestions??



I'm sick of doctors who feel they have the right to just arbitarily

pull medication like this from someone who has been helped by it. I

know we can change doctors but how do we know the next doctor won't do

the same thing??



I've had alot of success with herbs for myself and want to try him on

herbs before seeking out another doctor.



I'd appreciate any help anyone can offer. To say that I'm MAJOR PISSED

would be a TREMENDOUS understatement!!!



Thanks,



Cookie







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need help for allergies

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:48:13 -0800



Dear Charline,

     I am an herbalist and I believe I have some information that you

can make use of.  I dont know where you live, but ambrosia ia an herb we

have here on the west coast that stabalizes mast cells (mast cell

degranulatiom is part of the allergic process).  The east coast

equivalent is eyebright, but this plant is febele compared to ambrosia

(but it still works).  use either as a fresh plant tincture 60, drops 4

times a day.  There are other things that may need to be done along with

this but I would need to ask you questions to get the details of the

situation.  Contact a local herbalist for this. Good luck.  Oh by the

way continue with the herbs for at least one month.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need help for allergies

From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 22:57:29 GMT



Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com> wrote:



>Dear Charline,

>     I am an herbalist and I believe I have some information that you

>can make use of.  I dont know where you live, but ambrosia ia an herb we

>have here on the west coast that stabalizes mast cells (mast cell

>degranulatiom is part of the allergic process).  The east coast

>equivalent is eyebright, but this plant is febele compared to ambrosia

>(but it still works).  use either as a fresh plant tincture 60, drops 4

>times a day.  There are other things that may need to be done along with

>this but I would need to ask you questions to get the details of the

>situation.  Contact a local herbalist for this. Good luck.  Oh by the

>way continue with the herbs for at least one month.

Since ambrosia is also called "ragweed" and in the central US is the

cause of many peoples allergies, would this be the hair of the dog

type of treatment. I was mowing the stuff this last fall (giant it

grows 12-15' tall) and was in a green cloud for a while. A friend of

mine said it would of killed him.



Don







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need help for allergies

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:47:28 GMT



>I know y'all must be sick of me asking you for help for my hubby but

>here I am again. He's dear to me, his health is important and you have

>all been so great to me in the past.

I know of someone that suffered from allergies all her life. As soon

as she started doing Colemas it all cleared up and has never came

back. She also keeps her sinuses clean once a month or sooner with

salt water in a nose drop bottle. She has recommended this to others

over the years with this same problem and it worked for them too.



Sincerely;



Margie

Margie's Rare Books And Plant Clip Art

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need help for allergies

From: bratliff@anet-dfw.com (Bob Rataliff)

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 14:05:42 GMT



In article <32a7f46c.5477670@news.navix.net>, Rare Digital Books 

wrote:

>>I know y'all must be sick of me asking you for help for my 

hubby but

>>here I am again. He's dear to me, his health is important and 

you have

>>all been so great to me in the past.

>I know of someone that suffered from allergies all her life. As 

soon

>as she started doing Colemas it all cleared up and has never 

came

>back. She also keeps her sinuses clean once a month or sooner 

with

>salt water in a nose drop bottle. She has recommended this to 

others

>over the years with this same problem and it worked for them 

too.

>

>Sincerely;

>

>Margie

>Margie's Rare Books And Plant Clip Art

>http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm

		



Try taking several tablespoons of bee pollen daily and let me 

know the results.



BOB





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need help for allergies

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 25 Nov 1996 22:37:42 GMT



In article <575m5e$4op@news1.anet-dfw.com>, bratliff@anet-dfw.com (Bob

Rataliff) writes:



>Try taking several tablespoons of bee pollen daily and let me 

>know the results.



Bee pollen works very well for some people, but it can also trigger

allergy attacks.  I had a friend that ended up in a hospital emergency

room after taking bee pollen because it triggered such a severe asthma

attack.



Start with just a little pollen to see if you can tolerate it and then

build up to larger doses. 



Regards,

Rosemary





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need help for allergies

From: Scorpion1999@worldnet.att.net (S. Ives)

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:35:19 GMT



Rare Digital Books said:

>I know of someone that suffered from allergies all her life. As soon

>as she started doing Colemas it all cleared up and has never came

>back. She also keeps her sinuses clean once a month or sooner with

>salt water in a nose drop bottle. She has recommended this to others

>over the years with this same problem and it worked for them too.



Considering that there are saline nasal sprays sold in pharmacies

(i.e. NaSal), I think I may start using them.  Is this OK or is it

best to make it yourself?



---------------------------------------------------

   __                 -Hey! Who's been puttin'

  /___                     their Kools out on my

  ___/CORPION 1999            floor?

-----------------------===-------------------------







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need help for allergies

From: topshelf@aol.com

Date: 24 Nov 1996 07:01:22 GMT



Try using nettle,drink it as a tea or take it in capsules it has worked

very well for myself and my children to stop sneening runny nose, and

itching watery eyes.

I fill my own capsules and we take them 3 at a time 3x a day. If you have

to go out in the morning have a cup of nettle tea first and take 2

capsules,that oughta do it.

another excellent remedy for runny nose and itchy watery eyes is to just

made acup of golden seal tea, from the leaves, and put a few drops in the

nose and eyes. it really works. save the rest to use as needed during the

course of the day keep it in the refrigerator after about 2 days throw it

out and make a fresh infusion.



let me know if it works for you







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Listerine Recipe

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:10:30 GMT



Don't know if this is the original Listerine recipe, found this in an

old Doctor Herbal book.



Antiseptic Mouth Wash



Boric Acid - 10 grains

Resorcin - 4 grains

Salol - 2 grains

Thymol - 1/2 grain

Glycerine - 1/2 drachm

Pure Distilled Water - 1 ounce





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Colemas

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:17:32 GMT



Here is the write-up I have of a pamplet from someone that does

colemas for a living in a home office recommended to me from a herb

store. Had to eliminate the pictures because of this text file.

*****************************************************

DID YOU KNOW ?????



*  That nearly all diseases are directly related to the condition of

the colon.

*  That the purpose of the colon (large intestine) is to collect and

eliminate toxic waste from          

     every part of the body.

*   There may be as many as 36 toxic gases in your colon.

*   An estimated 85% of the American population suffers from toxic

colons.

*   That it is impossible to develope cancer with a clean colon.

*   Your portly waist may be due in large part to waste in the colon

(up to 40 years worth).

*   The modern American diet greatly increases the toxicity of the

bowel.

*   That a filthy colon prevents the absorption of vital nutrients.

*    Parasites collect and breed in the colon without people even

knowing it.



As the saying goes, "Death begins in the colon".



Dr. Norman Walker,  world renowned author of "Colon Health, The Key to

a Vibrant Life",  has been a long time advocate of proper colon care.

Listen to what he has to say regarding the importance of colonic

hygiene.....

In simple words, the colon is the sewage system of the body. Nature's

laws of preservation and hygiene require and insist that this sewage

system be cleaned regularly, under penality of the innumerable

ailments, sickness, and diseases that follow, as the night follows the

day., if waste is allowed to accumulate. Not to cleanse the colon is

like having the entire garbage collecting staff in your city go on

strike for days on end! The accumulation of garbage in the streets

creates putrid, odoriferous, unhealthy gases which are dispersed into

the atmosphere. So that is with our bodies.



SO WHY NOT ????



* Get relief from nagging health problems.

* Help normalize body functions.

* Instead of shallow skin problems with acne and such,  have glowing

eyes, skin and hair.

*Quit reabsorbing poisonous gasses.

* Aid your body in detoxification.

* Rid your body of harmful parasites you may not even know you have.

* Discover that clean, fresh feeling inside.



AREN'T ENEMAS ENOUGH ????



The plaster-like coating and other debris which forms on the inside

that harbors parasites without the host (person) being aware of this,

can't be dissolved by any number of high enemas. A colonic procedure

is the only procedure capable of successfully handling this problem. *











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HELP!!! In-grown fingernail!

From: Jaime L Smith <aziah@esu.edu>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 20:37:39 -0500



My boyfriend has what I think to be an in-grown fingernail and it is very

red and swollen (not to mention painful!).  Does anyone have any

suggestions as to what to do for this?  Salt water doesn't seem to work at

all.



Thank you!







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP!!! In-grown fingernail!

From: Penny Freshwater <pfreshwa@hr.house.gov>

Date: 21 Nov 1996 16:23:14 GMT



Use cold-pressed castor oil (you can get it at a health food 

store).....I use it when my toenails become ingrown... I rub it on the 

affected area before going to bed.... are you sure that you don't have 

an infection?









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Holiday Healing Circle

From: Claudia Bartoli <bartoli@infolynk.com>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:55:01 -0800



Hello everyone,

Just a quick note to let you know that I've recently added a Holiday

Healing Circle to my site. I put it up for people to chat and get to

know one another. :-)

If anyone would like to start a regular nightly group there with me,

please e-mail me.



I have a java based chat application on the page and also a "healing"

guestbook where people can share their thoughts and feelings, no matter

what they might be. 



You can access this page at:



http://www.infolynk.com/psychicweb/holidays.htm



I look forward to hearing from you!



Peace,



Claudia

bartoli@infolynk.com



Psychic Web International

http://www.infolynk.com/psychicweb





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: What's SLE?

From: Ruthanne_Rose@RedwoodFN.org (Ruthanne Rose)

Date: 20 Nov 1996 03:12:46 GMT









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Irregular periods

From: Nichole Green <ng@acpub.duke.edu>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:24:28 -0500



From ng@acpub.duke.eduWed Nov 20 03:20:57 1996

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 00:59:50 -0500 (EST)

From: Nichole Green <ng@acpub.duke.edu>

To: hwinfo@healthy.net, AskDocTom@healthy.net, ask@healthwire.com

Cc: ng@acpub.duke.edu

Subject: SU: Ask



After using oral contraceptives for the past two years to regulate my 

cycle, I've decided to stop.  I was wondering if I could get any 

information on herbs or roots that would help ease the transition.  I 

remember reading an article about a month ago in a women's magazine about 

three herbs that have been found to regulate your cycle when taken 

together.  Of course now that I need the information, I cannot remember 

the name of the herbs or the name of the magazine I found the article 

in.  Can anyone help me or point me in the right direction?



Thanks.

Nichole







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Classifications

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:05:41 GMT



;-)

TINCTURES



Very uniform and reliable tinctures may be made of most indigenous

plants, by procuring the part to be employed, at the proper season,

while it is green and fresh, brusing it well, and covering it with

good strong whiskey, or with alcohol diluted with one part of water to

three of alcohol, corking tightly, and letting it stand about fourteen

days, when the tincture may be filtered or poured off from the drugs,

and will be ready for use. Prepared from this imperfect manner, they

will be found to be much more reliable than any of the fluid extracts

found in the stores. An excess of the crude drug should be used in

preparing the tincture to insure a perfect saturation of the alcohol

with its active principles.



INFUSIONS



These are generally made by adding one-half ounce of the crude

medicine to a pint of water, which should be closely covered, kept

warm, and used as directed. Flowers, leaves, barks, and roots become

impared by age, and it is necessary to increase or diminish the dose

according to the strength of the article employed.



DECOCTIONS



The difference between a decection and an infusion is, that the plant

or substance is boiled in the production of the former, in order to

obtain its soluble, medicinal qualities. Cover the vessel containing

the ingredients, thus confining the vapor, and shutting out the

atmospheric air which sometimes impares the active principles and

their medicinal qualities. The ordinary mode of preparing a decoction

is to use one ounce of the plant, root, bark, flower, or substance to

a pint of water. The dose internally varies from a tablespoonful to

one ounce.



ALTERATIVES



Alteratives are a class of medicines which in some inexplicable

manner, gradually change certain morbid actions of the system, and

establish a healthy condition instead. They stimulate the vital

processes to renewed activity, and arouse the excretory organs to

remove matter which ought to be eliminated. They facilitate the action

of the secretory glands, tone them up, and give a new impulse to their

operations, so that they can more expeditiously rid the system of

worn-out and effete materials. In this way they alter, correct, and

purify the fluids, tone up the organs, and re-establish their healthy

functions. Alteratives may possess tonic, laxative, stimulant, or

diuretic properties all combined in one agent. Or we may combine

several alteratives, each having only one of these properties in one

remedy. We propose to enumerate only a few alteratives, and give the

doses which are usually prescribed; the list which we employ in our

practice is very extensive, but cannot be made available for domestic

use.



ALKALIES



These constitute an important list of remedial agents, their

administration being frequently indicated. The employement of other

medicines frequently should be preceded by the administration of an

agent of this class, to neutralize excessive acidity in the stomach

and bowels. Unless this be done, many medicines will fail to produce

their specific effects.



ANODYNES



Anodynes are those medicines which relieve pain by blunting the

sensibility of the nerves, or of the brain, so that it does not

appreciate the morbid sensation. An anodyne may be a stimulant in one

dose, and a narcotic in a larger one. The properties of different

anodyne agents vary, consequently they produce unlike effects. The

size of the dose required, differs according to circumstances and

condition. An adult, suffering acute pain, requires a much larger dose

to produce an anodyne effect than one who is a chronic sufferer, An

individual accustomed to the use of anodynes, requires a much larger

dose to procure relief than one who is not. Doses may be repeated,

until their characteristic effects are produced, after an interval of

thirty or forty minutes. When the stomach is very sensitive and will

not tolerate their internal administration, one-sixth of a grain of

Morphia can be inserted beneath the skin, by means of a hypodermic

syringe. Relief is more quickly experienced, and the anodyne effect is

much more lasting than when taken into the stomach.



ANTHELMINTICS



Anthelmintic means "against a worm, and is a term employed to

designate those medicines which destroy or expel worms. It means the

same as Vermifuge. Little is understood concerning the origin of

worms. There are five distinct varieties described by authors as being

more common than others. There is the long worm, the short, or pin

worm, the thread-worm, the tape worm, and the broad tape-worm peculiar

to some contries of Europe. Some medicines kill the worms, others

expell them alive. The remidies which sucessfully remove one kind of

worm have little effect upon another. The pin-worm inhabits the

rectum, and may be destroyed by injecting into it a strong solution of

salt, or decoction of aloes, and when it is allowed to pass away, the

rectum should be anointed with vaseline, butter or lard. Generally,

vermifuge remidies should be taken when the stomach is empty, and

should be followed by the administration of a cathartic in two hours

after the last dose is administered.



ANTIPERIODICS



It is well understood that malarial diseases are charactized by a

periodicity which indicates their nature. Antiperiodics prevent the

recurrence of the periodic manifistations, and hense their name.



ANTISPASMODICS



Antispasmodics are a class of remidies which relieve cramps,

convulsions, and spasms, and are closely allied to nervines. Indeed

some authors class them together.



ASTRINGENTS



Astringents are medicines which arrest discharges. When taken into the

mouth they produce the sensation known as puckering. They are used

internally and locally. The term styptic is used to designate those

astringents which arrest bleeding.



CARMINATIVES



Carminatives are medicines which allay intestional pain, arrest or

prevent griping by cathartics and exert a general soothing effect.

They are aromatic, and to a certain extent, stimulant.



CATHARTICS



Cathartics, or Purgatives are medicines which act upon the bowels and

increase the secretions and evacuations. In many parts of the country,

these agents are known as purges, or physics. They have been variously

divided and sub-divided, usually with reference to the energy of their

operations or the charactor of the evacuations produced.

Laxitives, or Aperients, are mild cathartics. Purgatives act with more

energy and produce several discharges which are of a more liquid

charactor and more copious than the former.

drastics are those cathartics which produce numerous evacuations

accompanied by more or less intestional irritation.

Hydragogues are those purgatives which produce copious, watery

discharges.

Cholagogues are those purgatives which act upon the liver, stimulating

its functions. Cathartics constitute a class of remidies which are

almost universally employed by families and physicians.



CAUSTICS



Caustics are substances which have the power of destroying or

disorganizing animal structures. By their action they destroy the

tissue to which they are applied, and form a crust, which is thrown

off by a seperation from the parts beneath. Their caustic property may

be destroyed by dilution with other substances, to such an extent that

they will only irritate or stimulate, and not destroy. Much care is

necessary in their employement, and it is not expected that the

unprofessional reader will have much to do with them; hense, we have

deemed it best not to give a list of these agents.



COUNTER-IRRITANTS



Counter-irritants are substances which produce irritation of the part

to which they are applied, varying in degree from a slight redness to

a blister or pustule. They are applied to the surface with a view of

producing an irritation to relieve irritation or inflammation in some

other or deeper seated part. They are a class of agents which we very

seldom employ, and hence, we shall notice only a couple of the most

simple.



DIAPHORETICS



Diaphoretics are medicines which increase perspiration. Those which

occasion profuse sweating are termed Sudorifics. The two terms

indicate different degrees of the same operation. They constitute an

important element in domestic practice, on account of the salutary

effects which generally follow their action. Their operation is

favored by warmth externally, and warm drinks, when they are not given

in hot infusion.



DILUENTS



Any fluid which thins the blood or holds medicine in solution is

called a diluent. Pure water is the principal agent of this class. It

constitutes about four-fifths of the weight of the blood, and is the

most abundent constituent of the bodily tissues. Water is necessary,

not only for digestion, nutrition, and all functional processes of

life, but it is indispensable as a menstruum for medicinal substances.

It is a necessary agent in depuration, or the process of purifying the

animal economy, for it dissolves and holds in solution deleterious

matter, which in this state may be expelled from the body. In fevers,

water is necessary to quench the thirst, promote absorption, and

incite the skin and kidneys to action. Its temperature may be varied

according to requirements. Diluents are the vehicles for introducing

medicine into the system. We shall briefly mention some which prove to

be very grateful to the sick.



DIURETICS



Diuretics are medicines which, by their action on the kidneys,

increase the flow of urine.



EMETICS



These are medicines which cause vomiting and evacuation of the

stomach. Some of the agents of this class, termed irritant emetics,

produce vomiting by a local action on the stomach, and do not affect

this organ when introduced elsewhere. Others, which may be termed

systemic emetics, produce their effects through the nervous system,

and therefore, must be absorbed into the circulation before they can

produce vomiting. In cases of poisoning, it is desirable to empty the

stomach as quickly as possible, hense irritant emetics should be

employed, for they act more speedily. Draughts of warm water favor the

action of emetics.



EMMENAGOGUES



Emmenagogues is a term applied to a class of medicines which have the

power of favoring the discharge of the menses. 



EXPECTORANTS



Expectorants are medicines which modify the charactor of the

secretions of the bronical tubes, and promote their discharge. Most of

the agents of this class are depressing in their influence and thus

interfere with digestion and healthy nutrition. Their application is

very limited, hence we shall dismiss them without further

consideration.



LINIMENTS



Liniments are medicines designed for external application. The

benifits arising from their use depend upon their derivative power, as

well as upon the anodyne properties which many of them possess,

rendering them efficacious for soothing pain. 



NARCOTICS



A narcotic is a remedy which, in medicinal doses, allays morbid

sensibility, relieves pain, and produces sleep; but which, in

overdoses, produces coma, convulsions, and death. The quanity

necessary to produce these results varies in different individuals. 



NERVINES



These are medicines which act on the nervous system, soothing

excitement and quieting the condition known as "nervousness".



SEDATIVES



Sedatives are a class of agents which control excitation of the

circulation, and diminish irritability of the nervous system.

STIMULANTS



Stimulants are medicines which have the power of increasing the vital

activity of the body. Some have a very transient action, while others

are more permanent in effect.



TONICS



Tonics are remidies which moderately exalt the energies of all parts

of the body, without causing any deviation of healthy function. While

stimulents are transient in their influence, tonics are comparatively

permanent.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Request for FAQ

From: "TOGA" <vengence@concentric.net>

Date: 20 Nov 1996 16:19:32 GMT



Could someone be so kind as to point me in the direction of the FAQ for

this newsgroup?



Thank you.

-- 

TOGA



"If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to

me."

     - Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980) 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Request for FAQ

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:27:16 GMT



On 20 Nov 1996 16:19:32 GMT, in alt.folklore.herbs "TOGA"

<vengence@concentric.net> wrote:



>Could someone be so kind as to point me in the direction of the FAQ for

>this newsgroup?



Sure. Go get both the culinary and the medicinal herbfaqs from my www pages or

ftp site. 

I'll be posting them, too, this weekend.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Citra Max....Garcinia Cambogia....

From: oispeggy@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (MARGARET MARY-THERESA BROWN, SUNY BUFFALO)

Date: 20 Nov 1996 21:01:33 GMT





What is Citra Max, aka Carcinia Cambogia?  Supposedly its an

appetite suppressant?  Anyone tried it?





- Peggy -







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.arthritis

Subject: Natural glucosamine source?

From: bgordon@mts.net (Barry Gordon)

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:40:26 -0600



Are all commercially available glucosamine products derived from animal

material? Or from direct chemical synthesis? Does glucosamine in any of

its forms occur naturally anywhere in the plant kingdom?



All replys appreciated.



Barry G.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal remedies versus FDA

From: "M.F." <mbfryd@axess.com>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 13:55:30 -0800



The following article may answer some common questions concerning herbal

treatments and their place in so called western medicine.



Maria Frydrychowicz





Document Title: 



To Regulate Or Not To Regulate Herbal Medicines

 

With the recent interest in ginseng by the American public, some 

herbalists and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration have expressed 

some concern about whether medicinal herbs should be regulated.



Currently, the FDA does not regulate most herbal medicines, including 

ginseng, because they do not claim to cure illnesses. Instead, herbs 

are usually marketed as dietary supplements that have beneficial health 

effects.



For instance, manufacturers of calcium supplements claim taking calcium 

can help reduce the risk of bone diseases. Claims regarding general 

health benefits do not require the same extensive, costly, scientific 

data to substantiate at those promising cures.



"People should realize that there is nothing the (FDA) can do if they 

take these dietary supplements and are harmed by them," said Brad 

Stone, spokesman for the Food and Drug Administration.



The state of Washington does not recognize herbal treatment as a legitimate 

medical procedure. These treatments are usually administered by a 

certified acupuncturist or under the supervision of one. However, 

herbalists themselves are not licensed.



Most herbalists are certified acupuncturists who have studied basic 

Chinese medical theory. At Wallingford's Northwest Institute of Acupuncture 

and Oriental Medicine, students are required to complete at least 

two years in the master's program for acupuncture before they can 

enter the two-year herbal program.



"Herbal medicine is a great alternative to pharmaceuticals" said 

Anne Linblad, a certified acupuncturist studying herbal medicine at 

the Institute. 



Most herbs are completely harmless since they are natural substances 

often used in Chinese cooking, Lindblad said. In rare cases, some 

herbs can be toxic or harmful when taken in haphazard doses or put 

into dangerous combinations in pills and dietary supplements sold 

in health and food stores, she said.



For example, the herb ma huang has been used in energy-boosting or 

weight-loss pills. Ma huang is traditionally used with other herbs 

to promote sweating to rid the body of colds or to pen up airways 

of people with breathing problems, Lindblad said.



But because the FDA does not regulate ma huang, dietary supplement 

manufacturers abuse the herb's ability to speed up the body's metabolism 

by putting it in their diet pills and energy boosters.



The FDA recently banned the product Formula One, which contained a 

harmful combination of ma huang and kola nut extract. The product 

received over 100 injury reports ranging from hypertension to several 

causes of death.



While no formal action has been taken to specifically ban or regulate 

ma huang at this time, in 1993, the FDA issues a statement that warned 

the herb could cause such side effects as hypertension, memory loss,

palpitations, nerve damage and strokes, Stone said.



"(The FDA) works on a passive system" he said. Only when problems 

rise and formal complaints are filed can the FDA intervene.



Some herbalists believe regulation by the FDA can be a double-edged 

sword. "The FDA either over-regulates or doesn't regulate at all,"

Lindblad said. Regulation of herbs like ma huang should be considered 

but isolated instances of abuse may prompt the FDA to place a complete 

ban on ma huang and other herbs, said David Lerner, another acupuncturist 

attending the institute.



Most herbal medicines have not gone through the vigorous testing needed 

to determine the benefits for approval by the FDA, Stone said. "(The 

FDA) is not dead set against alternative medicines," he said. "When 

data comes out for these herbal formulas, we're eager to review them."



For FDA approval, research must prove the effectiveness of these herbs.

However, pharmaceutical companies have shown little interest in funding 

research of herbal formulations since natural substances cannot be 

patented.



In addition, the medical community still views herbal medicine as 

experimental and prefers to use scientifically-tested pharmaceutical 

drugs.



"Some medical doctors are relatively open to the idea that acupuncture 

and Chinese herbal treatments can be used as adjunctive therapy tools," 

said Judith Ponton, a herbalist and licensed acupuncturist." 

Of course, there are also doctors that still think this is all bunk."



"I think the problem with researching Chinese herbal medicine has 

been that the herbs individually have certain characteristics, but 

when you put them together, they interact with each other differently,

depending on the formulation," Ponton said." You have to understand 

the holistic approach in Chinese medicine."



Lee, Serena K., To Regulate Or Not To Regulate Herbal Medicines., Northwest Asian Weekly,

10-27-1995, pp PG.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: To All Who requested Johnny's Catalog

From: "George Stone" <gstone@mint.net>

Date: 20 Nov 1996 23:50:13 GMT



If you requested a Johnny's Selected Seeds Catalog last weekend (November

16 & 17 1996) unfortunately your request was eaten by a computer in the sky

! Please visit our web site and request another one. I did recover some of

the requests and if yours was one of them I have e-mailed you. If you enter

a second request, just to be sure,  you will not receive two. Again please

accept my sincere apology. If you did not request one of our 1997 catalogs

you can at:

http://www.johnnyseeds.com









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hypothyroid--Natural treatment?

From: Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:08:14 -0600



I was curious if there is a natural treatment for hypothyroid.  I have

been on medicine for this (Synthroid in the past and Levothroid now),

but I don't feel that it has ever gotten under control.  My dose is

constantly changed by the doctors I've seen for this.  I also know that

it is not good for me to go right off the medicine and on to something

different--that it needs to be changed gradually.  Any suggestions would

be appreciated.



Karen









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hypothyroid--Natural treatment?

From: Joshua Muscat <skullcap@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 00:03:20 -0800



Hi,

     I am an herbalist, and I have heard of many people having the same

problem as you.  Try adjusting your dose yourself.  This may require

cuting pills in half or thirds or whatever.  Fine tune it until it is

just right.  I assume you know what signs to look for to see if your

thyroid is too high or too low.  As far as herbs are concerned guta

kola(in fresh tincture form), or siberian ginseng will elevate thyoid

levels.  If you have questions e-mail me at skullcap@sprynet.com







                                 j o  s    h





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Jason & Karen <jbrim@prysm.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hypothyroid--Natural treatment?

From: Marianne Stainback <mstainba@credit.erin.utoronto.ca>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:37:19 -0500



On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Jason & Karen wrote:



> I was curious if there is a natural treatment for hypothyroid.  I have

> been on medicine for this (Synthroid in the past and Levothroid now),

> but I don't feel that it has ever gotten under control.  My dose is

> constantly changed by the doctors I've seen for this.  I also know that

> it is not good for me to go right off the medicine and on to something

> different--that it needs to be changed gradually.  Any suggestions would

> be appreciated.

> 

> Karen

This isn't an herb, or a presto magic cure, but there are many Yoga

postures which stimulate the thyroid (such as the shoulder stand and

plough) and help to regulate thyroid hormone levels.  After having lived

with a mother with hypothyroidism, I know it may be the last thing you

feel like doing, but you will be amazed at how much better it will make

you feel.

-Marianne







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to cure/prevent v. candida and trichomoniasis?

From: wolfenhnd@aol.com

Date: 21 Nov 1996 04:16:34 GMT



Could someone please tell me if there are herbal remedies and preventions

for vaginal candida and trichomoniasis infections?  I have a relative who

has CFS and is also being plagued by one or both of these infections

almost continually -- especially when the CFS worsens.  The medicines the

doctors give her make her CFS worse and are, at best, only a brief respite

from the infections.  She is willing to go completely herbal forever if

that's what it takes to conquer these infections.  She has had it with

prescription medicines. 



Thanks for the help.









***-.._.--**-.._..-.........Wolfenhnd.......-.._..-**--._..---***







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to cure/prevent v. candida and trichomoniasis?

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 22 Nov 1996 00:48:34 GMT



In article <19961121041800.XAA01980@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

wolfenhnd@aol.com writes:



>Could someone please tell me if there are herbal remedies and preventions

>for vaginal candida and trichomoniasis infections?



Your friend might want to look into a candida control diet.  There's a

variety of books out there on the topic as well as cookbooks specifically

designed for this diet. If you want the whole list, e-mail me and I'll

send it, but any bookstore should have something in stock on the topic.   



Basically a candida control diet is a low-carbohydrate diet that

eliminates sugars, glutens, dairy products, red meats, fermented foods,

and caffeine.  



Fresh garlic is one botanical that is mentioned as a treatmen for candida.

 Ginseng (panax or siberian) for its adrenal support functions is used for

CFS.  Ginseng does have some side-effects in high or prolonged dosages so

she would want to work with an herbalist or naturopathic doctor on this. 

There's been some mentioned of Pau D'Arco tea in the cfs newsgroup -- I

like the taste myself and use it as a coffee substitute.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: AIDS/HIV Research

From: gw035@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (Graham White)

Date: 21 Nov 1996 10:25:05 GMT



Hello

I am a student of Herbal Medicine at Middlesex University, London and

I am doing some research for one of the lecturers who is setting up a

contact list for people working in the following areas with the aim of

setting up some collaborative work:



Individuals/organisations involved in clinical trials of herbs/plant products

for treating people with AIDS/HIV



Organisations/companies screening herbs/plant products for anti-HIV activity



Thanks for any help



Graham White

-------------

hendongreen@gn.apc.org

gw035@mdx.ac.uk





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: FREE BOOK/PT.1

From: Rare Digital Books

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NATURES KNOWN MEDICINES  





Copyright 1995 by  Richard Druery  and  Margie Krick , "Nutrition

Consultants"  

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm

FIRST EDITION 

SECOND EDITION 1996

THIRD EDITION 1996



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Pathways to health has been designed for educational use.  The

information contained is not presented with the intention of

diagnosing or prescribing. It can be for use as in maintaining and

promoting health in cooperation with a nutritionist and physician. 

No responsibility will be assumed by the author,  publisher or

distributor's of this electronic or paper publication.  No guarantees

of any kind are made for the performance or effectiveness of the

preparations mentioned in this guide. 



Now that the legal stuff  is out of the way, here goes;



VITAMIN ABSORBTION





Many multi-vitamins just pass through you, into the toilet. According

to  a Nutritional Researcher," 80 % of the people who try vitamins are

not metabolizing properly. The vitamins run right through the body,

and out the other." 

If you ever took care of a child,  you probably saw  undigested pieces

of food in the stool. That's because it moved out of the stomach

before it disintegrated. The same thing often happens with some of the

multi-vitamins currently on the market.

I was at a seminar once and spoke with a doctor in the hallway. He

stated that one time there was a test done on the many pills that were

constantly invading the sewer system. They all turned out to be

undigested vitamin pills. The sugar coating was dissolved in most

cases.

If you watch your own stool, there is a good chance the same thing is

happening if you are currently taking vitamin pills. 

Scientists have taken x-rays and  little piles of stones appeared in

their digestive tract.

The United States Pharmacopoeia has published a recommended standard

for the disintegration of a vitamin tablet in the stomach.  Basically

a tablet is supposed to dissolve in up to an hour and a half.

The trouble is the tablet does not sit there in the stomach. It gets

dumped into the intestines. Each nutrient in the tablet is supposed to

be absorbed in a particular spot of the intestine. If the nutrient

isn't released by the time it gets to that precise spot, you're out of

luck for that nutrient.

Many think a vitamin is a vitamin. A very common coating is a shellac

made from boiled insect bodies, chosen for the effectiveness at

holding things together, instead of  letting things come apart.

Calcium is  essential for  bones. The commonly used nutrient is

calcium carbonate. This can cause gas in the stomach and be difficult

to absorb.

Many people who are at risk for heart problems have shown to be low in

Magnesium. One of the least expensive forms of this nutrient is

magnesium oxide. This can cause bowel dysfunction problems. Magnesium

glycinate, can be absorbed 4 times better. Digestive imparements begin

at age 20 for many people. At age 40, the production of  the

hydrocloric acid is probably down in the stomach. 

I like to use to use a vitamin that is easily comes apart. When I am

burning fuels properly, my body benifits. People can have abnormal

amounts of fat on their body or surronding their organs. If the the

metabolic dysfunction is repaired by proper use of nutrients and diet,

they tend to burn their fats for energy much better.

I have used other kinds of vitamins in the past. For about two weeks I

felt energy from them. Then something happens and they do not work

anymore for me. When I use vitamins that are made properly, it's the

difference between dragging along at the end of the day and leaps and

bounds.  

 

Live Foods Are Essential



Many doctors and nutritionists today can see clearly that lack of

knowledge of how our bodies work can be the cause of many of our

organic troubles.  It is now known that if a person could eat the

right foods in the right amounts throught their lifetime, he would be

less susceptable to disease, more able to combat sickness and less

likely to need vitamin, mineral, and other supplements. The great

demand for vitamin and other supplemental pills have been on the

increase and manufacturers are making a darn good profit.

Years ago (1918) minute quanities of substances were discovered in

foods which were found to be necessary to prevent certain illnesses.

These substances became known as vitamins. In the never ending battle

to re-invent the wheel, there still remains what is known and unknown

substances. All these known and the unknown substances are still all

found in food. It is generally agreed that food, "including herbs," is

still by far the best sources of vitamins and minerals.

There is nothing wrong with taking vitamins when necessary. The proper

supplement should be prescribed by a physician and or  under guidance

of a nutritionist. Especially when taking synthetic and hard inorganic

substances.  Another factor is the possibility that dependence on

supplements will withdraw attention from a well-balanced diet, which

of course contain both the known and unknown nutrients to survive in

the first place.     

Man is made up of four basic things; what he eats and drinks, what he

breathes, and what he thinks. Performing any one of these in the wrong

manner can cause an unbalance of his body chemistry.

One can eat four or five big meals a day, and yet the body may be

starved through lack of vital elements in the food. 

There is not a drug in the world that will supply the  river of life,

your blood stream with anything in a way in which the body can use it

for permanent repair.  A drug is ment to stabilize a condition and

food for maintenance and repair. This is why it is so important to

follow up the doctors advice with the knowledge of a nutritionist.

After all a doctor is only taught around 20 or 30 hours of nutrition

to get his/her degree in medicine.



An overlooked Substance OXYGEN



If a person moved from low ground into high ground (mountains) and is

placed in a stressful activity,  they could not play as long as the

rest that already live there.  In a young body and in the period of a

year the body will grow new arteries to adept to the new enviroment. 



"And God said, let there be a firmament (atmosphere) in the midst of

the waters, and let it divide the waters (above the atmosphere) from

the waters (lakes and streams on earth). And God made the firmament

(the 'expanse'-air or atmosphere), and divided the waters which were

under the firmament (lakes and streams on earth) from the waters (of

the great watery canopy or aqueous ring) which were above the

firmament (atmosphere) ..... And God called the firmament (atmosphere)

Heaven ....and God called the dry land Earth."

Genesis 1:6 to 11.



Planets in our own solar system have rings of water today,  so why

not! This would certainly suggest Moses canopy of water that caused

the great flood of Noah's day. This watery ring could have been held

up with the earths own centrifical force creating a greenhouse effect.



The warm rays of the sun would penetrate the water and cause a even

distribution of almost perfect  light and ideal climate,  and the

great upheavals of nature being unknown. 

Under such perfect greenhouse type conditions both plant and animal

life could thrive and attain such great length that they could

possibly grow to enormous size. The soil might even have produced

nearly perfect food so that men lived a thousand years as the ancient

religious scrolls suggest.  The great flood would have filled the

great valleys, leaving only the tops of mountains and plateaus

protruding from the waters.  Religious authorities claim from their

research, the flood raised the sea level about three miles. 

Now if the atmospheric pressure was about 22 pounds to the inch in

those valleys, and the pressure is somewhere around 14-15 pounds

average on these plateaus, this could spell one thing OXYGEN! For

under such atmospheric pressure the air would be so heavy with oxygen,

it could act as a great oxygen tent.  This same atmospheric pressure

might have caused humans deeper breathing,  using all of his lungs,

as opposed to the top part of them we use today. 

Not only could this deep breathing under those atmospheric conditions

contribute to his long life span, but the food that might have grown

there would be superior in oxygen to what we have available today. 

This heavily oxygenated air would do more than that;  it could

completely prevent any such thing as rot, or fermentation.  If such a

condition ever existed, someone would have to either burn or bury it

in the ground to allow the chemicals of the earth to dispose of it.

This could also suggest that fruits and vegatables could be left in

the open oxygenated air and remain fresh for a very long time.  Louis

Pasteur claimed the process of fermentation to be caused because of

the lack of oxygen, thus gaining the necessary oxygen from other

substances.

What would all this mean! It would mean that everything on the face of

this planet is constantly oxygen starved. Although this cannot be

absolutely proven, as with any religion, never the less,  it is an

interesting hypothesis of historical literature.



For when "Noah began to be a husbandman (right after the flood) he

planted a vineyard: and he drank the wine, and was drunken; and he was

uncovered within his tent."

Genesis 9:20, 21.



We should be quick to point out that this historic literature is

looked upon as a fact, then Noah would have been completely innocent

of any wrong doing. Why! because Noah knew nothing about intoxicating

drinks, and he never heard of such a thing as drunkeness. Prior to the

flood fermentation could have been virtually unknown. It would have

been no doubt the custom of Noah to keep fruits and vegatables for

possibily years.

The Greek word for our English "soul", "spirit", or "life" is the word

"pneuma", and it too means "a current of clean air (oxygen)". This

same word "pneuma" is rendered "spirit", as "the Spirit of God" and

"the spirit of man". Can this also suggest that both words "spirit"

and "pneuma" mean oxygen.  A few years back it was common to call our

automobile tires "PNEUMA-tic tires", meaning air filled, oxygen-filled

or spirit filled?

The Latin word for "spira" for spirit or life  suggests even stronger,

this meaning "CLEAN FRESH AIR". Clean fresh air is oxygen, the most

cleansing agent upon earth then chlorophyl.   

Man can live without food and water for possibly 30 days, but not more

than 10 minutes without the secret of life "oxygen".



Nothing shall hurt nor destroy anywhere in my holy mountain (or the

earth); for the knowledge of the lord is that the ocean bed that is

covered by the waters of the sea shall be the LAND (of the new earth).



Isaiah 11:9



Thus saith the lord God: In the day that I shall have cleansed you

from all your iniquities (rot, decay, fermentation, etc.) I will also

cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded. And

the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the

sight that all passed by. And they shall say, This land that was

desolate (covered by water?) is become LIKE THE GARDEN OF EDEN; and

the waste and ruined cities (covered by the sea in Noah's day?) are

become fenced, and are inhabited.

Ezekiel 36:33, 34 35.



Whether or not we want to believe the words of  ancient historic

scrolls, of course is of little concern here; for we point out their

words only to suggest our point on the importance of life giving

oxygen!



Hippocrates, the "father of  medicine" it is claimed, said "Your FOODS

shall be your remidies and your remidies your FOODS."



Chlorophyll and body cleansing 



Healthy cows  and sheep that are feed on green pastures sleep little!

Why? Because they live on a diet of oxygen grass filled with cleansing

and purifying chlorophyl, which leaves very little waste matter in

their bodies. With little waste matter in their bodies, this leaves

little sleep for body cleansing. Change their diet to waste forming

corn and bran, and you can rest assured they will sleep, just as the

horse will sleep on such a diet.

People who are fat and heavy eaters often fall asleep as soon as they

sit down. Sleep is simply a process of body cleansing.

Can this all suggest that the perfect diet - "the tree of life - was

food grown in an atmospheric pressure even greater than its oxygen

content and green, cleansing chlorophyll content gave man perfect

health, inexhaustible vitality, and everlasting life as long as he had

access to it!



But this fruit grew only in the garden that was  "planted eastward in

Eden"Genesis 2:8, 9), not in other parts of the land of Eden, , and

man lost the benifit of this perfect fruit when he was "sent forth

from the garden" (Genesis 3:22, 23).



To the first man and woman on the earth he said, You may eat "OF THE

FRUIT OF THE TREES OF THE GARDEN" (Genesis 3:2), and on expulsion from

the garden he added, "AND THOU SHALT EAT THE HERB OF THE FIELD"

(Genesis 3:18)! There it is - The diet of oxygen - pure and simple!



This would suggest outside the garden the food contained waste matter,

and the chlorophyl was added to dissolve the waste matter and carry it

off with the roughage!

Do not fail to examine the full scientific principle of the quotes

from these ancient scrolls. For note it only includes the LIVING foods

- those that are still ALIVE with life giving oxygen and cleansing

chlorophyl! 

This could suggest that we crave the very food that has built up in

our system. It could be charastic of the body to get used to and crave

the very posionous substance circulating in the blood stream just like

the person that smokes cigarettes or drinks alcohol for instance. To

sway away from this habit, most certainly will cause a healing crisis

to start in short order.

As a rule it will do no great harm to eat cooked foods, provided that

a sufficient quanity of live food is also taken.  When food is cooked,

its oxygen is lost and much of the vital force is destroyed.

There is nothing morally wrong with eating meat.  We just want to

point out that meat is non oxygenated food.  Many people point to the

fact that the creator did not deprive, Israel, of meat, and that early

Christians was not opposed to meat as a food.  However meat was not

even considered a food until after the flood of noah's day.  It would

have been either eat the flesh or die of starvation. They had no

alternative! It was a question of -survival- and they were forced to

swallow it even with the knowledge that it would cut their life span

from almost  a thousand years to less than one hundred and twenty

years (Genesis 6:3)! 

 



Washing Fruits and Vegetable's (dandelions)



All fruits and vegatables should always be washed before consuming

them. All foods that have been sprayed should be immersed in a strong

salt brine for as long as half an hour, then washed under cold running

water before being used. 

Another way is to create a diluted form of hydrochloric acid to Remove

parasites and various pesticides from  fruits and vegatables. To do

this, fill the sink with cold water and add the juice of 1 live lemon

and 5-8 tablespoons of salt.  Soaking 10-15 minutes should do the

trick. Wash the food well under cold water before use. 

Some sprays are poisonous to people who lack the normal digestive

acid. Also, in Mexico and the Orient, it is wise to wash all

vegatables period. Because the world is getting smaller, we do get

many of our fruits and vegatables from these Countries today. Try

this:

Buy from your druggist one ounce of chemically pure hydrochloric acid

and pour it into three quarts of water. This makes approximately 1

percent solution and is harmless. Place this solution in a large jar.

It can be used for a week or more. Simply place the fruits or

vegatables in the solution for ten - fifteen minutes, then remove and

rinse them well with cold water.

You can also get a wash solution from the health food store with

instructions just for this purpose.

When the fruits and vegatables are juiced, many of the chemicals will

not adhere to the juice. The chemicals will adhere to the fiber left

in the hopper or basket like a magnet to steel.





OUR BODIES



Pythagoras,  "originator of science", taught that only living fresh

foods could enable man to apprehend the truth.

The body can be looked upon as an electrically charged battery. When

instruments are used on a person that is dead, there will not be any

electrical charge left.  

When all dead atoms are eaten and no live food has been consumed, our

negative side of ourselves show up. The eyes are able to tell it all

too!  The only exception is the condition of the gall bladder. The

fabric of the eye changes from the condition our body is in. The old

saying, you are what you eat. Look in the mirror and notice the

discrepancies with the fabric of the iris of your own eyes. Over time

this can show up as permanent damage. Put a drop of iodine on your

knee and it will appear immediately in the iris. The eye is the window

of the soul.

Chlorophyll is green and blood is red right? Put these under a common

ultra violet light and the blood turns green and the chlorophyll turns

red. The only molecular difference between the two is the atom of iron

in blood and the atom of magnesium in the plant.  

We have heard of  an experiment done with animals. The transfusion was

done with the green of the plant, not only did the animal survive, but

it thrived. The green of the plant was immediately transformed into

red blood by the liver according to the scientist Briukhonenko. Plants

reach up to the sky and grab sunlight and trap its energy into the

life blood of the plant called chlorophyll.

Animals are reported to be barely able to have a grasp on their

awareness, Man is supposed to be able to grasp awareness. We can

increase that awareness with live foods and time.  

An excellent source of little known information is a book about a man

that claimed to have cured himself of a disease called Tuberculosis. 

This book is called "MINERAL, VEGATABLE AND ANIMAL LIFE" by Edward

Leedskalnin. He laid in the sunshine completely uncovered for awhile

every day until he was cured. You will be glad you bought the book!

Also while you are at it consider the book called "MAGNETIC CURRENT"

or just order the complete writings in one packet. Coral Castle, 28655

South Federal Highway, Homestead, FL. 33030. Telephone (305) 248-6344

(we found it on one of our trips).

We have other documented cases from the days gone by, but this is the

most fascinating and informative for only $5.00 or so. Don't pass it

up!

A gorilla has a remarkable resemblance to many of mans intestines. For

example, the colon is real close to ours. Yet if a gorilla is forced

to fed on vegatables for a couple of months, I doubt if the gorilla

will have enough strength left to lift a man. If the gorilla is fed

fruits for the same amount of time instead, the gorilla will not only

have the strength to lift the man, but to toss him a considerable

distance. Force this same gorilla to eat meat for this same period of

time, and the gorilla will die. 



Juicing Fruits and Vegetables



Do not mix vegetable and fruit juices together. The fruit acids are

not compatible with many vegatables and will upset your stomach. It is

better to wait around 2 hours between the two. The apple is an

exception to this rule. 

New blood cells are created every 14 days and chlorophyll juices can

make them stronger than they were before. This can cause the tree of

life (capillary) to be preserved. Dr. Garnet Cheney of the Stanford

School of Medicine proved cabbage juice (vitamin U) to heal ulcers by

checking closely with x-ray examinations.

Around 100 pounds of cooked cabbage is equivalent in nutrition to 1-2

pounds of raw cabbage. From this cabbage example, you can see how the

grocery bill can go way up just because fruits and vegatables are

cooked. For many people, this can be an excellent start to bring the

price of food under control with the decision made right in the

kitchen.





The requirement of health in every living cell is obtained partly from

the air we breath, the water we drink, and the food we eat. The rays

of the sun send billions of atoms into plant life and this force

changes inorganic substances into organic elements for food. Any part

of the food intake which has been deprived of its natural and normal

nutrients dilutes the food taken by the individual, and cuts down on

his luck to resist infections. 

Except in the case of accidents, all repair and regeneration of our

body and skin must come from within. 

It has been proven beyond a doubt that supplementing our meals with

raw vegetables and fruits, especially the raw juices, supply the

quickest and most permanent way to replenish the body with the

elements it lacks to look and feel better.

How much juice can be taken safely? As much as you can drink

comfortably without forcing yourself. One pint a day as a general rule

is the least amount that will have any results. Bear in mind that

juices can be a short cut to more energy and a healthier body and the

more juices you drink the better the results will be. A gallon or more

can be better yet. 

The green of the plant (chlorophyll) is one of the strongest healing

substances for man.  



ALFALFA:



The world has yet to learn the value of alfalfa other than it being

"just a food for livestock." Many farmers are dying with various

diseases caused by mineral deficiencies of unnatural and unbalanced

diets while all around them are FIELDS OF ALFALFA!

This plant has ten times the mineral value of various grains. At times

the roots go down as deep as one hundred feet and bring up rich, vital

minerals unattainable by other vegetation. It is a rich source of the

anti-hemorrhage vitamin, K.  Other vitamins are A,E,B,D and U. Also

contains other nutrients such as potassium, chlorine, sodium, silicon,

magnesium, and other known and yet unknown elements.

Alfalfa may be eaten fresh in a combination juice, or chopped and

cooked with spinach or other greens It is been known to help in cases

of diabetes, tuberculosis, rheumatism, Brightens disease, toxemia,

jaundice, neuralgia, insomnia, nervousness, syphilis, constipation,

lumbago, hardening of the arteries, dropsy, prostatitis, anemia, skin

eruptions and poor complexion. Alfalfa is a blood builder; also good

for teeth and bones. It is a splendid milk producer for nursing

mothers, ALFALFA TEA: made from dried leaves and sweetened with honey

if desired, is not only a good drink and tonic but it increases the

action of the kidneys; aids peristalsis of the bowels; is a good sweat

producer when taken hot. It increases the appetite and strengthens

digestive glands and is particularly indicated for inflammation of the

bladder, colds, fevers (drink unsweetened), Alfalfa tea greatly aids

the elimination    of various drug poisons from the body. When the tea

is needed, drink it  freely (hot or cold) instead of water.  This is

very powerful, so consider mixing with other vegatable juices (1/4

glass).                                        

 

ALMONDS (and Almond Butter)



Known as a good all-around muscle and body builder, being one of the

most nourishing foods IF  DIGESTION IS GOOD. For teeth and bones and

in cases of emaciation (use the butter) and for nursing mothers.

Almonds or the other nuts are not recommended in the presence of

inflammation or congestion of the liver. Known for muscle and body

builders.  

Note: (Botanically, nuts are fruits from trees and peanuts are

legumes). 



APPLES



Eat them naturally raw skin and all! They should be  crushed and

crunched in the mouth to bring out their richest flavor! The apple is

known as a natural stimulation to all body secretions and is truly a

health-builder and disease killer. It is a food, beverage, tonic,

medicine,    cosmetic and bowel regulator all in one! It has been said

that plenty of  apples will not only keep the doctor away, but will

also keep the children  at home and the husband in at night!

Apples are excellent body cleansers and blood purifiers and are known

in cases of constipation, sluggish liver, brain fag, dropsy (dried

apples), dyspepsia, gout, obesity, skin eruptions, headaches,

jaundice, poor    teeth, indigestion, tender gums, pyorrhea, anemia,

tuberculosis, neuritis,    insomnia, catarrh, gall stones, rheumatism,

worms, arthritis.  

FRESH APPLE JUICE (sweet cider) is one of our most delicious  drinks.

Indicated for disorders mentioned above.

APPLE TEA, sweetened with honey is a healthful drink for cleansing the

urinary tract and for cases of male and female diseases. Wash    some

apples, slice them, leaving the peeling on. Dry slowly in a pan lined

with white paper, leaving the oven door open. When thoroughly dried,

close the oven door and roast them until a dark brown color is seen.

Store in dry place until needed and make by steeping as regular tea.

 

APRICOTS

       

This fruit is known to be high in iron and richer in minerals than

most fruits.  Apricots are good body cleansers and are known for in

cases of anemia, constipation, tuberculosis, catarrh, asthma,

bronchitis, gall stones,  pimples, diarrhea and toxemia.



ARTICHOKES

        

Known for a kidney stimulant, also in cases of anemia, acidity,

diarrhea, jaundice,  rheumatism, dropsy, halitosis, glandular

disorders, and neuritis.  



(Jerusalem) 



Known in cases of constipation, biliousness, gas,  jaundice, catarrh,

asthma, dropsy, and may be eaten by diabetics as a    potato

substitute. 

                       

ASPARAGUS:



Eaten raw it is known for breaking up oxalic acid throughout the whole

muscular system. Good for rheumatism, neuritis, arthritis. A certain

amount may be safely eaten by those in good health - but it is to be

definitely avoided by any one with kidney or bladder trouble,

arthritis,    goiter, hepatitis or rheumatism. Asparagus increases the

formation of uric acid and irritates and congests the kidneys. It also

contains methyl mercaptan, a toxic substance which irritates and gives

a foul odor to one's  urine. 



AVOCADOS:



A known food for body building and  for weak stomachs and

convalescents. Also indicated in cases of malnutrition, stomach

ulcers, enteritis, colitis, hemorrhoids, constipation, nervousness,

insomnia and impotency. When mashed and mixed with a little cheese or

other foods, it makes a delicious sandwich filling. Rich in nutrients.





BANANAS:

                    

A good general energy food, needed more by muscular workers than by

sedentary workers. Known to be valuable in cases of diarrhea, piles,

stomach ulcers and colitis. When real ripe, bananas are easily

digested and safe for children. Powdered bananas can be used in many

ways.   

HUBBARD: These are more starchy and more nourishing than the above.

Known in cases of diarrhea, piles, colitis and stomach and bowel

ulcers. 



BARLEY:



Known as a body builder and valuable in cases of underweight, stomach

ulcers, diarrhea and good for teeth, hair and nails.  Barley water is

known for cases of fevers and helps  bronical spasms.





BEANS:

              

FRESH STRING BEANS: Closely akin to the green leafy vegetables, though

more  nourishing - a good general vegetable food,  Known for

constipation, rheumatism, bladder and kidney trouble and acidosis.  

KIDNEY AND NAVY BEANS: A rich, building food for muscular workers and

known to be valuable for a person who is anemic or under weight.   

LIMA AND BUTTER BEANS: Very rich in iron and easily digested,

therefore a wonderful food for anemics. Also known in cases of

tuberculosis, piles, emaciation, malnutrition and for all-around body

building and muscular development. 

SOY BEANS: This ancient food has many uses. It may be your soup, your

bread, your 'meat," your spread, your butter, cheese, coffee, sauce,

milk, sausage, crackers, cake, loaf, salad oil or nibblers. IT IS ONE

OF THE MOST NOURISHING AND BODY BUILDING FOODS and easily digested. It

prevents pellagra and scurvy and aids growth and development of

children, and it is helpful in cases of neurasthenia and brain-fog

because of its lecithin content. 



BEETS:

             

BEET ROOTS: (red) 



When shredded or ground and eaten straw with a lemon-honey dressing,

they are known to be valuable in cases of constipation, jaundice,

dysentery, pimples and other skin disorders , kidney and bladder

disorders, obesity, stones in urinary bladder, tuberculosis, lumbago,

anemia, nervousness.  Sugar beets are known for constipation, liver

disorders, gout, low vitality, poor circulation, low blood pressure

and poor teeth. Food for red blood.  

                           

BEET TOPS: (red) 



Richer than spinach in iron and other minerals. These good greens are

known to be valuable in cases of anemia, tuberculosis, constipation,

catarrh, arthritis, poor appetite, kidney and bladder disorders, bad

blood, dysentery, tumors, tonsillitis, dyspepsia, gout, pimples, low

vitality, nervousness, and good for teeth and bones. Excellent for

pregnant or nursing women and as an aid in eliminating irritating drug

poisons from the system.   



                 

BLACKBERRIES:

     

Known as a  good blood cleanser and general tonic.  Excellent cases

have been reported for  constipation, catarrh, anemia, dysentery,

weakened kidneys, rheumatism, liver trouble, arthritis, pimples,

diarrhea, menstrual cramps, lumbago and poor complexion.

                   

BLUEBERRIES:



A good blood purifier and an antiseptic. Known for anemia, food for

the eyes, constipation, poor complexion, dysentery, diarrhea, obesity

and menstruation disorders. During  WW2,  many pilots were fed

Blueberry jam to increase their night vision.           



BRAZIL NUTS: (and Brazil Nut Butter)



Reported to be one of the most nourishing foods, though not digested

by all people, a general body-builder for muscular workers and good

for teeth, bones,  malnutrition.

Note: (Botanically, nuts are fruits from trees and peanuts are

legumes). 

                     

BREADS:



Known as a general body-building food, good for teeth, bones,  hair

and nails.

    

WHOLE RYE: 



Known as a general body-building, though easier digested than wheat

breads. Needed for muscles, energy, teeth, hair and nails.

    

WHOLE WHEAT: 



Known to contain many of the elements needed by the body for

nourishment. An energy food and needed for teeth, hair, bones and

nails. Most people eat too much bread and other starches, which

causes a great deal of their constipation, gas and sour stomachs.

Unless starches are chewed well and thereby mixed with the ptyalin in

saliva, digestion is not complete.

 

BREADFRUIT:



One of the most nourishing starchy foods of the South Seas, known as a

general body-building food, particularly indicated for muscular

workers. When mature on the tree breadfruit are about the size of

large grapefruit. They are generally boiled and eaten as one would eat

a boiled potato.

                    

 BROCCOLI:



Known to be a good tonic food and indicated for obesity, constipation,

weak digestive glands, toxemia, neuritis and high blood pressure.



                 

BRUSSELS SPROUTS:



Known for for catarrh, obesity, acidosis, constipation and hardening

of the arteries. Also known for bleeding gums. 



BUCKWHEAT:



Known as an energy food and general body builder - good for hair,

teeth and nails.

                     

BUTTER:



Known for energy and weight-building - the best animal fat-easy to

digest, but must be eaten moderately. Butter and other fats are not

recommended if there is any liver or gall-bladder disorders. 



BUTTER: (sweet)

 

Applied externally to burns have reported good results. 

                    

BUTTERMILK

    

A fine calcium food, known to be good for teeth and bones, muscle

builder, easily digested and ideal for invalids and convalescents. It

is known for cases of constipation, acidity, pimples, tuberculosis,

diarrhea, insomnia and helps destroy putrefactive bacteria in the

bowels. 

                     

CABBAGE



RED AND WHITE: For all who can digest it - eat it raw for best

results. The common cabbage is known as a good muscle builder and

blood cleanser and valuable for teeth, gums, hair, nails and bones.

Excellent cases have been reported for weak eyes, asthma,

tuberculosis, gout, scurvy, constipation, kidney and bladder

disorders, obesity, diabetes, toxemia, lumbago, skin eruptions. Juice

from a juice extractor is known to help heal stomach ulcers providing

the juice is consumed immediately after it is made.  

Approximately 100 pounds of boiled cabbage is nutritionally equivalent

to around 1-2 pounds of raw cabbage.  



CANTALOUPES:



See melons for medicinal values. 





CARROTS:



Eat them raw as much as possible or juice them. Carrots and the juice

rank high in medicinal value. Known in cases of obesity, toxemia, poor

blood, constipation, asthma, poor complexion, poor teeth, pyorrhea,

insomnia, high blood pressure, neurasthenia, tuberculosis, inflamed

kid-            kidney and bladder, colitis, neuritis, catarrh, dropsy

and as a beautifier of hair and nails. Known for causing the eyes to

emminate a healthy beautiful glow.                



CARROT:

 

(From Raw Crushed Carrots): Its is reported to be a soothing,  healing

action to ulceration's, inflammations and malignancies of the

digestive tract, its ease of digestion, plus its high alkaline mineral

content, make it valuable in many cases. Carrot juice is indicated in

cases of acidosis, sore throat, gastritis, stomach ulcers, colitis,

colon ulcers, bad blood, asthma, appendicitis, kidney and bladder

disorders, gout, neuralgia, nervousness, poor complexion, skin

eruptions, rheumatism, arthritis, insomnia, gall stones, high blood

pressure, diabetes, cancer, and as an aid in eliminating old

accumulated drug poisons from the body. When added to milk for babies

it is a good preventive of rickets, bow-legs, bad teeth.

                      

CARROT JUICE:



According to the condition of the individual, raw carrot juice may be

taken indefinitely in any reasonable quantities, from one to six or

eight pints a day. It has been known to normalize the entire system.

It is the richest source of Vitamin A which the body can quickly

assimilate. It helps to promote the appetite and is an aid to

digestion. It is also a valuable aid in the improvement and

maintenance of the bone structure of the teeth.

Nursing mothers should drink plenty of raw carrot juice, to enhance

the quality of their milk, as a breast milk diet may under certain

circumstances not provide sufficient vital foods. During the last

months of pregnancy, raw carrot juice, taken in sufficient quantities,

tends to reduce the possibilities of puerperal sepsis at childbirth.

Raw carrot juice is reported to be a natural solvent for ulcerous and

cancerous conditions. It is a resistant to infections, doing most

efficient work in conjunction with the adrenal glands. It prevents

infections of eyes and of the throat, as well as of the tonsils and

sinuses and the respiratory organs generally. It also protects the

nervous system and is unequaled for increasing vigor and vitality.

Intestinal and liver diseases are sometimes due to a lack of certain

of the elements contained in prepared raw carrot juice. When this is

the case then a noticeable cleaning up of the liver will take place

and the  material which was clogging it up will be found to dissolve.

Frequently this is released so copiously that the intestinal and

urinary channels are inadequate to care for this overflow and in a

perfectly natural manner it is passed into the lymph for elimination

from the body by means of the pores of the skin. This material has a

distinctly orange or yellow pigment and while it is being so

eliminated from the body will sometimes discolor the skin. Whenever

such a discoloration takes place after drinking carrot or other juices

it is an indication that the liver is getting a well needed cleansing

(Nothing to worry about).

It is NOT the carrot juice itself that comes through the skin.  To

facilitate the description of the  juices most efficient for the

following ailments and their various combinations have been listed and

the number of ounces of juice indicated for each ailment.



For adults the formula combinations should be taken over a period of

several weeks in order to obtain any perceptible results.

The juices for each ailment are given in the order of their greatest

efficacy, those which are essential being indicated When possible, at

least one pint of the Combination should be taken daily.

Please remember that by combining one or more different juices changes

the chemical combination of each one completely, so that the effect of

the combination as a whole will be entirely different from that of

each juice if taken separately, therefore we are able to get results

that seem unbelievable to those who lack this experience.

NOTE: Use Tops AND Roots of Beets, Dandelion, Radish and Turnips. When

preparing Carrots cut off the tops one-half inch below the rings where

the green stems start. Do not peel carrots.

To remove sprays, etc., wash vegetables thoroughly with cold, running

water, using a stiff brush when necessary.









CASHEW NUTS: (and Cashew Nut Cutter)

                

Known as a good body builder-contains less fat and is easier digested

than pecans, walnuts, almonds and Brazil nuts. 

Note: (Botanically, nuts are fruits from trees and peanuts are

legumes). 

                               

CAULI FLOWER:



Known to be a blood purifier in cases of asthma, kidney and bladder

disorders, high blood pressure, gout, bad complexion, biliousness and

constipation. Always eat the leaves as greens for rich minerals. 

                

CELERY JUICE: (From Raw, Crushed Celery)



Known as a good general tonic and blood purifier. known for arthritis,

rheumatism, appendicitis,  lymphangitis, poor appetite, dyspepsia,

biliousness, fevers, gout, epilepsy, Bright's disease, syphilis,

tumors, sciatica, stomach ulcers, sort throat, cinchonism and

elimination of other irritating drugs. (See Juice Chart.)

 

 CHARD:                                                         



Known to be good  in cases of gout, anemia, constipation, rheumatism,

catarrh, obesity, acidosis, poor appetite and bad blood. 

                                 



CHEESE:





                

CHEESE: (cottage) 



Known as an easily digested body-building protein -  good for teeth

and bones and in cases of colitis, piles and stomach ulcers. Rich in

calcium.



 (American, Swiss and processed) 



General body-building proteins, though they should be eaten sparingly.



CHERRIES:

                

Known as a good spring cleanser and valuable in cases of anemia, poor

complexion, bad blood, catarrh, constipation. gall stones, worms,

arteriosclerosis, high blood pressure, rheumatism, arthritis, and

asthma. Also effective cleansers of the liver and kidneys. 





CHESTNUTS:

                        

Known as a general body-building and good for teeth and pyorrhea. They

are preferred roasted. 

Botanically, nuts are fruits from trees and peanuts are legumes. 

                                             

CHICORY:

                   

The root when dried and roasted has been used for a long time as a

good coffee substitute Also known in cases of gout, neuritis, sluggish

liver, poor digestion, dropsy, low blood pressure and as a general

tonic. 



 CHIVES:

                

Known to increase the flow of urine and good for gout, poor appetite,

asthma, catarrh, tuberculosis and low blood pressure.

                                       

CIDER: (Fresh Apple Juice)

                            

Known for poor appetite, anemia, rheumatism, acidosis, bronchitis,

constipation, gonorrhea, cystitis, syphilis and poor complexion. Also

see Apples.



CLOVER: (Red)



Chopped raw tender clover may be eaten plain or in combination salads.

It may be cooked with spinach, turnips or other greens.  Can also be

made into a tea. Known to help in cases of cancer of the stomach,

tuberculosis, diabetes, jaundice, syphilis, skin diseases, anemia,

constipation, nervous exhaustion, insomnia and aids the eradication of

destructive drug poisons from the body. Excellent blood purifier.



COCONUTS:



Coconut trees grow along the shore where the roots are in or near the

ocean brine. Coconuts contain organic iodine and when chewed well are

good body builders. Known for constipation, tape worms and other

worms, goiter, gas, dysentery. 

The coconut tree is the world's most useful tree. It furnishes food,

drink, butter, milk, and oil. COCONUT MILK may be used in many ways

similar to cow's milk and is very soothing in cases of sore throat,

stomach ulcers and gastritis. An excellent thyroid gland food (organic

iodine).

COCONUT OIL is soothing and healing to wounds, sunburns and other

burns. Coconut butter is the easiest of all fats to digest and is one

of the fats used in margarine, which in some respects is recommended

in preference to COMMERCIAL cow's butter.





CORN:



Known for cases of constipation, as a general building food. When

properly chewed, tender sweet corn is easily digested, being relished

by many uncooked. Known for cases of anemia,  constipation,

emaciation, and a general body-building food.

                            



                          

CORN BREAD: 



Known as a general body-builder, good for teeth, hair, nails, gums and

bones and is considerably  less constipating than other grains. The

yellow corn meal is more nourishing and easier digested than the white

and contains more vitamin A.



COLLARDS:

                      

A valuable green leafy vegetable, very popular in the southern states

and is very tasty. It is rich in alkaline minerals and known to help

in cases of anemia, liver trouble, acidosis, rheumatism, constipation,

tuberculosis, neuritis, arthritis, obesity, cystitis, and is an aid in

eliminating                         drug poisons from the body. 



CRAB AND LOBSTER:



Rich, heavy foods, hard to digest-eat sparingly. Known  for goiter and

other glandular disorders. They are iodine foods.



CRACKERS: (Whole Grain-Wheat or Rye)



Values are the same as whole-grain breads.



CRANBERRIES:



Raw cranberries are known for poor appetite, asthma, bad complexion,

tuberculosis, fevers, liver disorders, pimples and other skin

diseases, dysentery, gout, diabetes, diarrhea, obesity, constipation,

high blood pressure, atonic stomach, tumors and catarrh and bladder

infections.



CUCUMBERS:



People who live on the desert or in other hot climates have reported

excellent results because it is a COOLING FOOD. The temperature inside

the cucumber is cooler than the ambient (outside) temperature. Known

to help with fevers, constipation ( pyorrhea, neuralgia, skin

eruptions, high blood pressure, nervousness, erysipelas, rheumatism,

acidosis. Known to be one of the best diuretics.



CUCUMBER JUICE: 



Known for ulcers of the stomach and bladder, fevers, stones and

nephritis.



DANDELION:



Known as a potent blood-cleanser and body-purifier, tuberculosis,

stones, for cleansing the liver, gall bladder and spleen; for

syphilis, eczema, cancer, tumors, dropsy, high blood pressure,

acidosis and as a good general tonic. Also a valuable aid in

eliminating old, irritating drug poisons. Works real good as a

laxative Juicing, try poking a few leaves in the hopper and use a

carrot as a poker. Recommend 3/4 glass of carrot or other vegatable

and 1/4 dandelion greens.



DANDELION TEA: 



Known to be of help for colds, dyspepsia, diabetes, tuberculosis,

rheumatism, arthritis, kidney, bladder and liver disorders.



DATES:



Known as a nourishing, concentrated, easily digested food for everyone

and particularly recommended as "candy" for growing children. Known

for anemia, low blood pressure, poor circulation, constipation,

stomach ulcers, piles, colitis, dysmenorrhea, pyorrhea, nervousness,

low vitality, tuberculosis. Nursing mothers will find them valuable

and they are a source of quick energy. 



EGGS:



Known as bone and muscle builders - a concentrated protein and should

be eaten sparingly. Too many eggs can cause acidosis, bad blood,

excessive gas and tout stools. May be eaten for low vitality, low

blood pressure, anemia and alkalosis. Known as a brain food. The

whites should be discarded because they are for making feathers.



EGG YOLKS when added to orange, grapefruit or pineapple juice, two or

three times a week, give one pep and is known to raises resistance to

disease. A small portion of an egg-yolk may be added now and then to

the baby's milk.



EGGPLANT:



Do not eat them fried. They are delicious and healthful when baked

plain or as a la casserole with cheese. Known in cases of

constipation, colitis, nervousness and stomach ulcers.



ENDIVE:



Known in cases of asthma, skin diseases, biliousness, bad blood,

tuberculosis, gout, diabetes, constipation, rheumatism, anemia, high

blood pressure, catarrh, sluggish liver, acidosis, arthritis and

neuritis. 



FIGS: (White or Black)



When buying dried figs specify the unsulphured. This is another dried

fruit which makes ideal, healthful "candy," not only for children but

for adults as well. Figs are known to be valuable for constipation,

low blood pressure, anemia, dropsy, colitis, emaciation, asthma,

tuberculosis, pleurisy, catarrh, gout, rheumatism, cancer, poor

complexion and skin eruptions. 



(fig juice)



From the soaked or stewed figs is not only a fine laxative for

children and adults, but also good for sore throat, coughs and

inflammations or ulceration's of the digestive tract.



FISH:



Known as a general muscle and body-building food and the easiest of

all flesh foods to digest if not fried. Eat fish sparingly in warm

climates. Ocean fish are a source of iodine and indicated for

impotency and general run down glandular disorders. 



FLAXSEED:



Known for cases of gastritis, colitis or other inflammations of the

digestive tract, do not use them except in the finely powdered form.

The whole seeds are hard and sharp and may cause more irritation.

FLAXSEED TEA:  For sore throat, coughs, stomach ulcers, proctitis,

painful urination, inflamed bladder and dysentery. Known for help in

relaxing the bowels when the tea is used in the enema or colonic

water.





GARLIC:



Garlic, I'm afraid, we'll have to call the "social out-cast food !"

Nevertheless, when speaking of its medicinal value, it is right up on

the front row! Eat it raw when possible, parsley, mint or organic

orange peeling when chewed after the meal, helps eliminate the odor.

Garlic is known as a digestive stimulant, an internal antiseptic and a

gland regulator. Reported in cases of colds, asthma, diphtheria,

chronic catarrh, bronchitis, tuberculosis, malaria, worms, epilepsy,

high blood pressure (take the oil of garlic), whooping cough, dropsy,

fevers, gas, dyspepsia, hardening of the arteries, thyroid

hypo-function, sinusitis, nerve depletion, and promotes the

elimination and expectoration of phlegm and mucus. If the garlic is

eaten raw, it is known to help in cases of bladder infections, many

times, " immediate results have been reported". 

Note: (garlic should not be eaten in any form if there is inflammation

of the stomach or bowels).



GOOSEBERRIES:



Known for dyspepsia, constipation, sluggish liver, congested gall

bladder, bad blood, poor complexion, catarrh, neuritis,  and

arthritis.



GRAPES:



Grapes are an ideal food. Known as a good blood and body builder - the

juice is easily assimilated and is a source of quick energy.  Reported

in cases of anemia, cancer, tuberculosis, constipation, low blood

pressure, poor circulation, poor appetite, rheumatism, dyspepsia,

acidosis, jaundice, pimples and skin diseases, diarrhea, gall stones,

liver disorders, gout, nerve exhaustion and arthritis. 

The "grape cure," whereby only grapes or grape juice are taken for

several days or weeks, is very beneficial as an aid in overcoming many

chronic diseases. Fresh grape juice is truly a "nectar for the gods."

The grape is probably the oldest domestic fruit we have. The fruit and

the wine made from it are frequently mentioned in writings reaching

back to the dawn of history. Apples are mentioned in the Old

Testament, but there is no certainty that the word which King James

experts translated as 'apple' meant an apple as we know it. "The grape

has a very high value to the body as food and medicine. It is mildly

laxative, diuretic, and like all other fruits, anti-scorbutic. It

contains one of the four beneficent fruit acids so useful to the body.

These acids in the process of digestion release potassium, sodium, and

magnesium, which are changed into carbonates and overcome by their

alkalinity the acids in the blood.

The average grape contains nearly 80 per cent water (pure-distilled)

and about 13 per percent sugar; and many scientists agree that grape

sugar is one of the easiest of all fruit sugars to digest and

assimilate.

"The grape contains (organic) iron, which helps to build up the red

corpuscles of the blood."



Few people realize peaches rank next to oranges and grapes as food for

man. In appearance there is no fruit more attractive and beautiful

than a golden peach with a pink cheek. Nor is there any fruit more

inviting to the taste than a juicy, luscious peach. The main objection

against peaches is, that when ripe they will not keep like oranges and

grapes.



GRAPEFRUIT:



Known as a natural antiseptic for wounds when used externally and

indicated in cases of obesity, sluggish liver, gall stones, catarrh,

malaria, fevers, high blood pressure, pneumonia, biliousness, poor

digestion, poor complexion, morning sickness and valuable as a

drug-poison eliminator. Also known as the flu destroyer. Do not eat in

cases of acid stomach, colitis or stomach ulcers. 





HAZELNUTS (filberts)



A rich food for those with good digestion's - eat small amounts. They

are known as a  general body building food, good for teeth, gums and

bones, and known in cases of emaciation and low blood pressure. 

Note: (Botanically, nuts are fruits from trees and peanuts are

legumes). 





HICKORY NUTS:



One of our richest nuts and is known as good general body-builder,

indicated in cases of low vitality, low  blood pressure, emaciation

and poor teeth. 

Note: (Botanically, nuts are fruits from trees and peanuts are

legumes). 



HONEY: (raw)



THE KING OF SWEETS furnishes quick energy with ease of  digestion.

Known to increase oxidation and promotes better circulation; is

slightly diuretic and mildly laxative. Indicated in cases of anemia,

bronchitis, asthma, sore throat, coughs, emaciation, poor circulation,

pleurisy, low blood pressure, Raynaud's disease, nervous exhaustion,

catarrh and alcoholism-take a tablespoonful when the craving for

liquor comes on.



HORSERADISH:



Known as a  digestive stimulant, and a great dissolver of mucus in the

system. Also a good diuretic. Is of value in cases of colds, asthma,

dropsy, coughs, poor appetite, low blood pressure, catarrh,

bronchitis, dyspepsia. The leaves are rich in alkaline minerals and

make good greens, which aid in eliminating old,  irritating drugs

which may  still be in one's system.



HUCKLEBERRIES:



A natural astringent known in cases of high blood pressure, obesity,

dysentery and diarrhea.



HUCKLEBERRY LEAVES: 



Known for diabetes. Steep one-half ounce in a quart of water for four

hours and drink at least three glasses per day.



KALE:



Known in cases of constipation, acidosis, poor teeth, pyorrhea,

arthritis, gout, rheumatism, skin diseases and bladder disorders. 



KELP: (Also Sea Lettuce, Irish Moss and Dulse)



These various types of sea vegetation when eaten fresh or dried and

powdered, are known as a valuable source of minerals, some of which

are not found in land vegetables because of the variation or depletion

of soils.

The minerals present in these sea plants are very uniform. They are

known for mineral deficiency and are truly protective foods. They aid

weak digestion's, help to prevent and overcome goiter and help to

rebuild and maintain function of all the glands. HAVE IT ON YOUR TABLE

DAILY. Better to think of this as your iodine source rather than

iodized table salt.

Sprinkle it on your salads, vegetables and other foods. Kelp helps

offset the deficiency of inferior diets and is needed by pregnant

women. Kelp helps normalize gland and cell action whereby the energy

out-put of the body may be regulated. Also known in cases of

cretinism, dwarfism, impotency, nervousness, emaciation, nervous

exhaustion, acidosis, constipation and anemia.



KUMQUATS:



This member of the orange family is known in cases of obesity, high

blood pressure, sluggish liver, catarrh, fevers, dyspepsia, pneumonia.



LEEKS:



Known to help with colds, coughs, asthma, bronchitis, influenza,

insomnia, tuberculosis, neuritis, low blood pressure, poor appetite,

gall stones, poor hair, urinary diseases and nervous exhaustion.



LEMONS:



This citrus fruit is known to be very high in its medicinal value,

known to have many therapeutical uses. Lemon juice is a natural

antiseptic which may be safely applied directly to cuts, bruises and

infections in the same manner as the various poisonous antiseptics are

used. Cleanse the cuts or wounds with warm water and then apply

straight or diluted lemon juice.

Lemon juice is good for the skin and the complexion when taken

internally and when used externally as follows: FOR ACNE, ECZEMA AND

ERYSIFELAS apply the straight juice on the skin and allow it to dry.

FOR BOILS OR CARBUNCLE'S, heat a lemon and cut it in two; apply the

small end as a hot poultice and bind thereon. When the boil breaks,

remove all dressing and pus and cleanse it with boiled water into

which has been placed the juice of one lemon. FOR BLACKHEADS AND OPEN

SORES, rub the straight juice on the face each night, allow it to dry

and do not wash it off until morning. A lotion of lemon juice and rose

water, applied as mentioned above, makes a good FACE BLEACH and is

excellent for removing TAN AND FRECKLES. FOR WRINKLES, the straight

juice is known to act as an astringent when rubbed across them and

allowed to dry. Wash off later and massage with coconut or olive oil.

Lemon juice on your tooth brush or the use of the inside portion of

the rind when rubbed on teeth, gums and tongue makes a good substitute

DENTIFRICE now and then because it is also hard on tooth enamel if

used too much. It helps whiten teeth, removes tartar and stains and is

a good preventive of pyorrhea. 

The juice of one lemon in a glass of water makes a good rinse after a

shampoo. It cuts out the soap, invigorates the scalp and makes the

hair glossy. FOR DANDRUFF, rub the cut end of a lemon into the scalp

before shampooing.

FOR SORE AND REDDENED HANDS, rub them a few minutes with lemon juice,

rinse them off and apply olive oil, coconut oil or (Vaseline or better

yet Vegatable Jelly).

The itch of INSECT BITES AND POISON OAK OR IVY may be arrested by

applying the pure juice.

FOR COUGHS mix equal parts of lemon juice and glycerine or honey. Take

a tablespoonful  every two hours and allow it to slowly trickle down

the throat.

FOR DIPTHERIA first swallow a tablespoonful of straight juice; then

gargle with a 50-50 solution of lemon juice and water every hour;

later every two or three hours.

EAR INFECTIONS, strain the juice from the pulp and pour straight into

each ear. Leave for a few minutes and rinse well. Excellent results

have been reported with this after a few applications.

FOR PARCHED LIPS, TONGUE AND PALATE mix equal parts of lemon juice and

glycerin; apply to lips and tongue with absorbent cotton.

FOR RICKETS-- give the child some lemon juice and honey daily.

FOR SORE THROAT AND TONSILLITIS Paint the throat externally with

straight juice several  times a day and with a swab apply straight

juice on each tonsil.

FOR MALARIA AND INFLUENZA, take the juice of a lemon equally diluted

with water three or four times each day.

FOR SINUS INFECTIONS, take it internally and also sniff a solution of

equal parts lemon juice and cool water up the nostrils each morning

and evening. Note: (many people have also reported good results using

salt water for sinus infections).

Many people find that the juice of one-half lemon in a cup of warm

water upon awakening is beneficial for OBESITY and acts as an

excellent LIVER CORRECTIVE.

Lemon juice can be used in place of vinegar in making mayonnaise and

other dressings for salads. The Organic lemon peel may be used for

seasoning and flavoring.

In addition to the above mentioned uses, lemon juice is also indicated

in cases of asthma, biliousness (also chew peeling), poor blood,

colds, gout, fevers, headaches, jaundice, morning sickness, pneumonia,

rheumatism, arthritis, nausea, dropsy, neuritis, dyspepsia, varicose

veins (take internally and apply externally). It is a good general

blood and body purifier and a mild diuretic. Do not take lemon juice

in cases of colitis or other inflammations of the digestive tract. The

juice also aids in the removal of old drug poisons from the tissues. 



LENTILS:



Known to be a very nourishing, body-building food for muscular workers

and they are also rich in vital minerals. Particularly indicated in

cases of anemia, emaciation and low blood pressure. Lentil soup for

ulceration's of the digestive tract and for convalescents. 



LETTUCE:



The Romaine variety is richer in minerals,  known to be valuable in

cases of anemia, constipation, insomnia, dyspepsia, acidosis,

headaches, nervousness, catarrh, tuberculosis, circulatory diseases

gout, diseases of the urinary tract (it is mildly diuretic),

neurasthenia, rheumatism and arthritis.

Common head lettuce contains little nutrition but it does contain the

green (chlorophyll).



LIMES:



Known for biliousness, arthritis, scurvy, poor blood and sluggish

liver. May be used as an antiseptic and in other ways as stated for

the lemons. 



LIVER:



It has been known for some time that liver is valuable in cases of

anemia and emaciation due to its high iron content and blood cells

which are easily assimilated. Only recently has liver been known to be

a storehouse of many vitamins. Causes super putrefaction in the body

so it should be used sparingly.



LOGANBERRIES:



See Blackberries and Raspberries for medicinal value. 



LOQUATS:



Known to help in cases of constipation, obesity, acidosis and for

general purification of the body.





MANGOES:



This delicious fruit of the tropics is known for nephritis and other

kidney disorders, acidosis, fevers, poor digestion, cystitis and

respiratory diseases.



MAPLE SYRUP:



A good natural sweetening furnishes quick energy and heat.





MELONS:



The king of summer foods ! They are very cooling and induces gentle

perspiration. During the hot summer days few people would suffer from

the heat if many of their meals would consist of  melon only. Known in

cases of fever, skin diseases, kidney and bladder disorders, stones,

constipation, poor complexion, high blood pressure, bad blood,

rheumatism and arthritis.



GOAT'S MILK:



Very well known to be superior to cows milk for both children and

adults, It is richer in minerals, is more easily  digested and not as

mucus forming. For babies, it is a safe substitute for mother's milk.

Known to help in cases of gastritis stomach ulcers, nervousness,

emaciation, diseases of teeth and bones, tuberculosis, eczema, anemia,

rickets, diarrhea, dysentery, and enteritis. 



MOLASSES: (black strap)



For quick energy and warmth and indicated for low blood pressure,

anemia and emaciation. Excellent source of iron.



MUSHROOMS:



There is little or no medicinal value other than its content of

vitamins and minerals. Popularly used in making sauces and are eaten

frequently as a meat substitute.



MUSSELS:



Known as a invigorator of the sexual organs and a body-building food,

though quite toxic. Sometimes beneficial for nervousness and thyroid

disorders.



MUSTARD GREENS:



An excellent tonic. Known for anemia, poor blood, constipation,

bronchitis, rheumatism,  arthritis, stones, acidosis, kidney and

bladder trouble, pregnancy and lactation. Also aids in the elimination

of poisonous drugs from the body. 



NECTARINES:



Known for biliousness, worms, tuberculosis, gas, high blood pressure,

bladder trouble, rheumatism, obesity, asthma, dyspepsia, bronchitis. 



NUTS:



Botanically, nuts are fruits from trees and peanuts are legumes.  Nuts

are the richest of foods.

Because of their high fat content many people cannot digest them.

However, if the liver and other digestive organs are in fairly good

condition, nuts are known for general body building. Each is listed

separately.



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CHAPTER 12



TINCTURES



Very uniform and reliable tinctures may be made of most indigenous

plants, by procuring the part to be employed, at the proper season,

while it is green and fresh, brusing it well, and covering it with

good strong whiskey, or with alcohol diluted with one part of water to

three of alcohol, corking tightly, and letting it stand about fourteen

days, when the tincture may be filtered or poured off from the drugs,

and will be ready for use. Prepared from this imperfect manner, they

will be found to be much more reliable than any of the fluid extracts

found in the stores. An excess of the crude drug should be used in

preparing the tincture to insure a perfect saturation of the alcohol

with its active principles.



INFUSIONS



These are generally made by adding one-half ounce of the crude

medicine to a pint of water, which should be closely covered, kept

warm, and used as directed. Flowers, leaves, barks, and roots become

impared by age, and it is necessary to increase or diminish the dose

according to the strength of the article employed.



DECOCTIONS



The difference between a decection and an infusion is, that the plant

or substance is boiled in the production of the former, in order to

obtain its soluble, medicinal qualities. Cover the vessel containing

the ingredients, thus confining the vapor, and shutting out the

atmospheric air which sometimes impares the active principles and

their medicinal qualities. The ordinary mode of preparing a decoction

is to use one ounce of the plant, root, bark, flower, or substance to

a pint of water. The dose internally varies from a tablespoonful to

one ounce.



ALTERATIVES



Alteratives are a class of medicines which in some inexplicable

manner, gradually change certain morbid actions of the system, and

establish a healthy condition instead. They stimulate the vital

processes to renewed activity, and arouse the excretory organs to

remove matter which ought to be eliminated. They facilitate the action

of the secretory glands, tone them up, and give a new impulse to their

operations, so that they can more expeditiously rid the system of

worn-out and effete materials. In this way they alter, correct, and

purify the fluids, tone up the organs, and re-establish their healthy

functions. Alteratives may possess tonic, laxative, stimulant, or

diuretic properties all combined in one agent. Or we may combine

several alteratives, each having only one of these properties in one

remedy. We propose to enumerate only a few alteratives, and give the

doses which are usually prescribed; the list which we employ in our

practice is very extensive, but cannot be made available for domestic

use.



ALKALIES



These constitute an important list of remedial agents, their

administration being frequently indicated. The employement of other

medicines frequently should be preceded by the administration of an

agent of this class, to neutralize excessive acidity in the stomach

and bowels. Unless this be done, many medicines will fail to produce

their specific effects.



ANODYNES



Anodynes are those medicines which relieve pain by blunting the

sensibility of the nerves, or of the brain, so that it does not

appreciate the morbid sensation. An anodyne may be a stimulant in one

dose, and a narcotic in a larger one. The properties of different

anodyne agents vary, consequently they produce unlike effects. The

size of the dose required, differs according to circumstances and

condition. An adult, suffering acute pain, requires a much larger dose

to produce an anodyne effect than one who is a chronic sufferer, An

individual accustomed to the use of anodynes, requires a much larger

dose to procure relief than one who is not. Doses may be repeated,

until their characteristic effects are produced, after an interval of

thirty or forty minutes. When the stomach is very sensitive and will

not tolerate their internal administration, one-sixth of a grain of

Morphia can be inserted beneath the skin, by means of a hypodermic

syringe. Relief is more quickly experienced, and the anodyne effect is

much more lasting than when taken into the stomach.



ANTHELMINTICS



Anthelmintic means "against a worm, and is a term employed to

designate those medicines which destroy or expel worms. It means the

same as Vermifuge. Little is understood concerning the origin of

worms. There are five distinct varieties described by authors as being

more common than others. There is the long worm, the short, or pin

worm, the thread-worm, the tape worm, and the broad tape-worm peculiar

to some countries of Europe. Some medicines kill the worms, others

expell them alive. The remidies which sucessfully remove one kind of

worm have little effect upon another. The pin-worm inhabits the

rectum, and may be destroyed by injecting into it a strong solution of

salt, or decoction of aloes, and when it is allowed to pass away, the

rectum should be anointed with vaseline, butter or lard. Generally,

vermifuge remidies should be taken when the stomach is empty, and

should be followed by the administration of a cathartic in two hours

after the last dose is administered.



ANTIPERIODICS



It is well understood that malarial diseases are charactized by a

periodicity which indicates their nature. Antiperiodics prevent the

recurrence of the periodic manifistations, and hense their name.



ANTISPASMODICS



Antispasmodics are a class of remidies which relieve cramps,

convulsions, and spasms, and are closely allied to nervines. Indeed

some authors class them together.



ASTRINGENTS



Astringents are medicines which arrest discharges. When taken into the

mouth they produce the sensation known as puckering. They are used

internally and locally. The term styptic is used to designate those

astringents which arrest bleeding.



CARMINATIVES



Carminatives are medicines which allay intestional pain, arrest or

prevent griping by cathartics and exert a general soothing effect.

They are aromatic, and to a certain extent, stimulant.



CATHARTICS



Cathartics, or Purgatives are medicines which act upon the bowels and

increase the secretions and evacuations. In many parts of the country,

these agents are known as purges, or physics. They have been variously

divided and sub-divided, usually with reference to the energy of their

operations or the charactor of the evacuations produced.

Laxitives, or Aperients, are mild cathartics. Purgatives act with more

energy and produce several discharges which are of a more liquid

charactor and more copious than the former.

drastics are those cathartics which produce numerous evacuations

accompanied by more or less intestional irritation.

Hydragogues are those purgatives which produce copious, watery

discharges.

Cholagogues are those purgatives which act upon the liver, stimulating

its functions. Cathartics constitute a class of remidies which are

almost universally employed by families and physicians.



CAUSTICS



Caustics are substances which have the power of destroying or

disorganizing animal structures. By their action they destroy the

tissue to which they are applied, and form a crust, which is thrown

off by a seperation from the parts beneath. Their caustic property may

be destroyed by dilution with other substances, to such an extent that

they will only irritate or stimulate, and not destroy. Much care is

necessary in their employement, and it is not expected that the

unprofessional reader will have much to do with them; hense, we have

deemed it best not to give a list of these agents.



COUNTER-IRRITANTS



Counter-irritants are substances which produce irritation of the part

to which they are applied, varying in degree from a slight redness to

a blister or pustule. They are applied to the surface with a view of

producing an irritation to relieve irritation or inflammation in some

other or deeper seated part. They are a class of agents which we very

seldom employ.



DIAPHORETICS



Diaphoretics are medicines which increase perspiration. Those which

occasion profuse sweating are termed Sudorifics. The two terms

indicate different degrees of the same operation. They constitute an

important element in domestic practice, on account of the salutary

effects which generally follow their action. Their operation is

favored by warmth externally, and warm drinks, when they are not given

in hot infusion.



DILUENTS



Any fluid which thins the blood or holds medicine in solution is

called a diluent. Pure water is the principal agent of this class. It

constitutes about four-fifths of the weight of the blood, and is the

most abundent constituent of the bodily tissues. Water is necessary,

not only for digestion, nutrition, and all functional processes of

life, but it is indispensable as a menstruum for medicinal substances.

It is a necessary agent in depuration, or the process of purifying the

animal economy, for it dissolves and holds in solution deleterious

matter, which in this state may be expelled from the body. In fevers,

water is necessary to quench the thirst, promote absorption, and

incite the skin and kidneys to action. Its temperature may be varied

according to requirements. Diluents are the vehicles for introducing

medicine into the system. 



DIURETICS



Diuretics are medicines which, by their action on the kidneys,

increase the flow of urine.



EMETICS



These are medicines which cause vomiting and evacuation of the

stomach. Some of the agents of this class, termed irritant emetics,

produce vomiting by a local action on the stomach, and do not affect

this organ when introduced elsewhere. Others, which may be termed

systemic emetics, produce their effects through the nervous system,

and therefore, must be absorbed into the circulation before they can

produce vomiting. In cases of poisoning, it is desirable to empty the

stomach as quickly as possible, hense irritant emetics should be

employed, for they act more speedily. Draughts of warm water favor the

action of emetics.



EMMENAGOGUES



Emmenagogues is a term applied to a class of medicines which have the

power of favoring the discharge of the menses. 



EXPECTORANTS



Expectorants are medicines which modify the charactor of the

secretions of the bronical tubes, and promote their discharge. Most of

the agents of this class are depressing in their influence and thus

interfere with digestion and healthy nutrition. Their application is

very limited, hence we shall dismiss them without further

consideration.



LINIMENTS



Liniments are medicines designed for external application. The

benifits arising from their use depend upon their derivative power, as

well as upon the anodyne properties which many of them possess,

rendering them efficacious for soothing pain. 



NARCOTICS



A narcotic is a remedy which, in medicinal doses, allays morbid

sensibility, relieves pain, and produces sleep; but which, in

overdoses, produces coma, convulsions, and death. The quanity

necessary to produce these results varies in different individuals. 



NERVINES



These are medicines which act on the nervous system, soothing

excitement and quieting the condition known as "nervousness".



SEDATIVES



Sedatives are a class of agents which control excitation of the

circulation, and diminish irritability of the nervous system.

STIMULANTS



Stimulants are medicines which have the power of increasing the vital

activity of the body. Some have a very transient action, while others

are more permanent in effect.



TONICS



Tonics are remidies which moderately exalt the energies of all parts

of the body, without causing any deviation of healthy function. While

stimulents are transient in their influence, tonics are comparatively

permanent.





WEIGHTS AND MEASURES



Apothecaries



20 grains          1 scruple

3 scruples          1 drachm

8 drs.              1 ounce

12 ozs.             1 pound



Avoirdupois



16 drams (drs.)           1 ounce, oz.

16 ozs.                          1 pound, lb.





ALTERATIVES



Mandrake (Podophyllum Peltatum), also called Mayapple, is a most

valuable alterative. The root is the part used. 

Dose - Of decoction, one or two teaspoonfuls; of tincture, six to

eight drops; of fluid extract, three to five drops; of its active

principle, Podophyllin, one twelfth to one eighth of a grain.



Poke (Phytolacca Decandra), also called skoke, Garget, or

pigeon-berry, is a valuable alterative. The root is the part used.

Dose - Of decoction, one to three teaspoonfuls; of fluid extract,

three to ten drops; of concentrated principle, Phytolaccin, one-fourth

to one grain.



Yellow Dock (Rumex Crispus). The part used is the root..

Dose - Of the infusion, one to three fluid ounces three times daily;

of fluid extract, ten to thirty drops; of tincture, twenty to forty

drops.



Tag Alder (Alnus Rubra) This is otherwise known as the smooth, common,

or swamp Alder. The bark is the part used. It is excellent in

scrofula, syphilis, cutaneous and all blood diseases.

Dose - Of decoction, one or two tablespoonfuls from three to five

times daily; of tincture, one or two teaspoonfuls; of fluid extract,

one-half to one teaspoonful; of concentrated principle, Alnuin,

one-half to one grain.



Black Cohosh (Macrotys or Cimicifuga Racemosa). The part used is the

root. Its other common names are Black Snake Root, or Squaw-root.

Black Cohosh is an alternative, stimulant, nervine, diaphoretic,

tonic, and a cerebro-spinal stimulant. It is a useful remidy.

Dose - Of decoction, one fourth to one ounce; of tincture, ten to

fifteen drops; of fluid extract, five to ten drops, of the

concentrated principle, Macrotin, one-eighth to one-half grain.



Blood Root (Sanguinaria Canadensis), is also known as Red Puccoon. The

part used is the root. In minute doses Blood-Root is a valuable

alterative, acting upon the biliary secretion and improving the

circulation and digestion.

Dose - Of powdered root, one-fourth to one-half grain; of tincture,

one to two drops; of fluid extract, one-half grain; of tincture, one

to two drops; of fluid extract, one-half to one drop. When given in

fluid form it should be well diluted.



Burdock (Arctium Lappa). The root is the part used. Burdock is a

valuable alternative in diseases of the blood.

Dose - Of tincture, from one teaspoonful to a tablespoonful twenty

minutes before meals; of fluid extract, one to two teaspoonfuls.



Blue Flag (Iris Versicolor). The part used is the root.

Dose - Of the tincture, five to ten drops; of fluid extract, three to

ten drops; of concentrated principle, Iridin, one-half to two grains.



Sweet Elder (Sambucus Canadensis). Sweet Elderflowers are a valuable

alterative, diretic, mucus and glandular stimulant, excellent in

eruptive, cutaneous, and scrofulous diseases of children. An infusion,

fluid extract, or syrup, will be found valuable for cleansing the

blood and stimulating the functions to a healthy condition.

Dose - Of the infusion of the flowers, from one-half to one ounce, if

freely taken, will operate as a laxitive; of fluid extract, one-fourth

to one-half teaspoonful. The flowers, or the inner bark of the root,

simmered in fresh butter, make a good ointment for most cutaneous

affections.





ANODYNES



Opium (Papaver Somniferum). Opium is a stimulant, anodyne, or

narcotic, according to the size of the dose administered.

Dose - Of the dry powder, one-fourth to one grain; of tincture

(Laudanum), five to fifteen drops; of camphorated tincture

(Paregoric), one-half to one teaspoonful; of Morphine, one-eighth to

one-fourth grain; of Dover's Powder, three to five grains.



Poison Hemlock (Conium Maculatum). The leaves are the parts used.

Poison Parsley, as it is sometimes called is an anodyne, narcotic, and

an excellent alterative.

Dose - Of fluid extract, two to six drops; of solid extract,

one-fourth to one-half grain.



Hyoscyamus (Hyoscyamus Niger), commonly known as Henbane. The herb is

used. It is a powerful narcotic, and unlike Opium, does not constipate

the bowels, but possesses a laxitive tendency. Therefore, it may be

employed as an anodyne for allaying pain, calming the mind, inducing

sleep and arresting spasms, when opiates are inadmissable.

Dose - Of alcoholic extract, one-half to two grains; of Hyoscyamin,

one-twelfth to one-fourth of a grain.



Belladonna (Atropa Belladonna) or Deadly Nightshade. The herb or

leaves are a valuable agent. In overdoses, it is an energetic,

narcotic poison. In medicinal doses it is anodyne, antispasmodic,

diaphoretic, and diuretic. It is excellent in neuralgia, epilepsy,

mania, amaurosis, whooping-cough, stricture, rigidity of the os uteri,

and is supposed by some to be a prophylactic or preventive of Scarlet

Fever. Its influence upon the nerve centers is remarkable. It relaxes

the blood-vessels on the surface of the body and induces capillary

congestion, redness of the eye,scarlet appearance of the face, tongue,

and body.

Dose - Of fluid extract, one-half to one drop; of tincture, one to two

drops; of concentrated principle, Atropin, one-thirtieth to

one-sixteenth of a grain; of the Akaloid, Atropia, one-sixtieth of a

grain. Even the most skillful chemists are very cautious in

compounding these latter active principles, and the danger of an

overdose is great.



Hops (Humulus Lupulus). This is an excellent remedy in wakefulness. A

bag of leaves, moistened with whiskey and placed as a pillow under the

head, acts as an anodyne.

Dose - Of the infusion of the leaves, from one to four ounces; of the

fluid extract, one-fourth to three-fourths of a teaspoonful; of the

concentrated principle, Humulin, one to three grains.





ANTHELMINTICS



Male Fern (Aspidium Filix Mas). Male Fern is the anthelmintic which is

considered especially effectual in removing the tape-worm.

Dose - Of the powder, one to two drachms, given morning and evening in

syrup, followed by a brisk cathartic. The dose of the tincture of the

buds in is from eight to thirty drops.



Assafetida (Assafetida Ferula). This is a powerful antispasmodic. It

is employed in hysteria, hypochondria, convulsions, and spasms, when

unaccompanied by inflammation.



Yellow Jessamine (Gelseminum Sempervirens). The root is the part used.

This is a valuable remedy in a determination of the blood to the

brain; also in neuralgia.



Valerian (Valeriana Officinalis). The root is the part used. Valerian

is an effective remedy in cases of nervousness and restlessness.

Dose - Of the tincture, one-half to two tablespoonfuls; of the

ammoniated tincture of valerian, from one-half to two teaspoonfuls in

sweetened water or milk.

Yellow Lady's Slipper (Cypripedium Pubescens). The root is the part

used. This is a useful remedy in hysteria, chorea, and all cases of

irritability.



High Cranberry (Viburnum Opulus). The bark is the part used. It is

also known as Cramp Bark. This is a powerful antispasmodic, and is

effective in relaxing spasms of all kinds.





ASTRINGENTS



Witch Hazel (Hamamelis Virginica). The parts used are the leaves and

bark. This is the most valuable astringent and exerts a specific

action upon the nervous system. It arrests many forms of uterine

hemmorrhage with great promptness, is a valuable agent in the

treatment of piles, and is useful in many forms of chronic throat and

bronchial affections.



Blackberry Root (Rubus Villosus). This astringent is a favorite

domestic remedy in affections of the bowels.

Dose - Of the infusion (bruised root), one-half to one ounce,

sweetened.



Cranesbill (Geranium Maculatum). The root is used. This plant is also

known as Crow-foot, and Spotted Geranium. It is a pleasant, but

powerful astringent.

Dose - Of the fluid extract, ten to thirty drops; of the concentrated

principle, Geranin, one to two grains.



Hardhack (Spirea Tomentosa). Spirea, or Meadow Sweet. The stem and

leaves are used. This is a tonic and an astringent, and is used in

diarrhea and cholera-infantum.

Dose - Of the infusion, one half to one ounce; of the fluid extract,

three to six drops.



Bugle Weed (Lycopus Virginicus). This is variously known as

Water-hoarhound and Water-bugle. It is sedative and tonic, as well as

astringent, and is employed in hemorrhages and in incipient phthisis.

Dose - Of the infusion, one to two ounces; of the fluid extract,

fifteen to twenty-five drops; of the concentrated principle, Lycopin,

one-half to one grain.



Catechu (Acacia Catechu). A tincture of this plant is a pure, powerful

astringent, and is especially useful in cronic diarrhea, chronic

catarrh, and cronic dysentery.

Dose - Of the powder, five to twenty grains; of the tincture, one-half

to two teaspoonfuls.



Canada Fleabane (Erigeron Canadense). The leaves and flowers are used.

This plant, sometimes known as Colt's Tail, Pride Weed, or Bitter

Weed, is astringent, and has been efficiently employed in uterine

hemorrhages.

Dose - Of the infusion (two ounces of the herb to one pint of water),

one to two ounces; od the oil, five to ten drops on sugar, repeated at

intervals of from one to four hours.





CARMINATIVES



Anise Seed (Pimpinella Anisum). Anise is a pleasant, aromatic

carminative, and is used in flatulent colic.

Dose - Of the powdered seed, ten to fifteen grains; of the infusion (a

teaspoonful of seed to a gill of water), sweetened, may be given

freely; of the oil, five to ten drops on sugar.



Fennel Seed (Anethum Foeniculum). This is one of our most grateful

aromatics, and is sometimes employed to modify the action of senna and

rhubarb.

Dose - Same as that of anise-seed.



Ginger (Zingiber Officinale). The root is the part used. This is a

grateful stimulant and carminative.

Dose - Of the powder, ten to twenty grains; of the infusion, one

teaspoonful in a gill of water; of the tincture, twenty to thirty

drops; of the essence, ten to fifteen drops; of the syrup, one

teaspoonful.



Wintergreen (Gaultheria Procumbens). The leaves are used. This plant

possesses stimulant, aromatic, and astringent properties. The essence

of Wintergreen is carminative, and is used in colics.

Dose - Of the essence, one-half to one teaspoonful in sweetened water;

of the oil, three to five drops on sugar.



Peppermint (Mentha Piperita). Peppermint is a powerful stimulant,

carminative, and antispasmodic. It is used in the treatment of spasms,

colic, and hysteria.

Dose - The infusion may be used freely. The essence may be taken in

doses of fifteen to thirty drops in sweetened warm water; of the oil,

one to five drops on sugar.



Spearmint (Mentha Viridis). The carminative properties of spearmint

are inferior to those of peppermint, and its chief employement is for

its diuretic and febrifuge virtues.

Dose - Same as that of peppermint.





CATHARTICS



Jalap (Ipomoea Jalapa). The root is used. It is a drastic and a

hydragogue cathartic. Formerly it was combined with equal parts of

calomel. From this fact it, recieved the name of "ten and ten."

Dose - Of the powder, five to twenty grains; of the fluid extract, ten

to fifteen drops; of the solid extract, two to four grains; of the

concentrated principle, Jalapin, one-half to two grains.



Gamboge (Gambogia). The gum is used. Gamboge is a powerful drastic,

hydragogue cathartic, which is apt to produce nausea and vomiting. It

is employed in dropsy. It should never be given alone, but combined

with milder cathartics. It accelerates ther action while they moderate

its violence.

Dose - Of the powder, one-half to two grains. This substance combined

with aloes and sometimes with scammony, constitutes the basis of the

numerous varieties of large, cathartic pills found in the market.



Culver's Root (Leptandra Virginica). The root is used. This plant,

known under the various names of Culver's Physic, Black-root, Tall

Speedwell, and Indian Physic, is a certain cholagogue, laxitive, and

cathartic.

Dose - Of decoction, one to two fluid ounces; of fluid extract, ten to

twenty drops; of tincture, twenty to thirty drops; of the

concentrated, active principle, Leptandrin, which is but feebly

cathartic, as a lazative, two to five grains.



Rhubarb (Rheum Palmatum). This is much used as a domestic remedy, and

by the profession, for its laxitive, tonic, and astringent effects. It

is employed in bowel complaints.

Dose - Od the powder, ten to thirty grains; of the tincture, one-half

to two teaspoonfuls; of the fluid extract, ten to thirty drops; of the

solid extract, three to five grains; of the syrup, and aromatic syrup,

an excellent remedy for children, one-half to one teaspoonful.

(Note; the leaves are poisonous)



Cascara Sagrada (Rhamnus Purshiana). Is a very efficient remedy in

chronic constipation.

Dose - Of the fluid extract, from ten to twenty drops taken in a

tablespoonful of water. The unpleasant taste may be disguised with the

extract of liquorice.



Butternut (Juglans Cinerea). The bark is the part used. Butternut is a

mild cathartic, which resembles rhubarb in its property of evacuating

the bowels without irritating the alimentary canal.

Dose - Of the extract, as a cathartic, five to ten grains; of the

fluid extract, one-half to one teaspoonful; of the concentrated

principle, Juglandin, one to three grains. As a laxitive, one-half of

these quantities is sufficient.



Aloes (Aloe). The gum is used. The cathartic acts upon the lower part

of the bowels and sometimes causes piles; though some late authors

claim that in small doses it is a valuable remedy for piles.

Dose - In powder or pill, three to ten grains; as a laxitive, one to

three grains.





COUNTER IRRITANTS



Mustard (Sinapis). The flour of mustard, which is best adapted for

domestic use, is employed in the form of a paste spread on cloth. It

takes effect in a few moments; the length of time it remains in

contact with the skin and the strength of the mustard determine the

effect produced.



Horse Radish - (Cochlearia Armoracia). The leaves are the parts used.

Let them wilt and bind them on the part affected. They act nearly as

energetically as mustard.





DIAPHORETICS



Pleurisy Root (Asclepias Tuberosa). Is known as White-root, and

Butterfly-weed. It is a valuable remedy, well adapted to break up

inflammations and diseases of the chest.

Dose - Of infusion, one to two ounces; of fluid extract, one-fourth to

one-half teaspoonful; of the concentrated principle, Asclepin, one to

three grains.



Saffron (Crocus Sativus). Golden Saffron.

Dose - Of infusion (one drachm to a pint of water), one two ounces.



Sage (Salvia Officinalis). The warm infusion drunk freely is a

valuable, domestic diaphoretic.



Virginia Snakeroot (Aristolochia Serpentaria), is an efficient agent.

Dose - Of infusion, one to two ounces; of tincture, one-fourth to one

teaspoonful; of fluid extract, one-fourth to one-half teaspoonful.



Jaborandi (Pilocarpus Pinnatus). Jaborandi increases the flow of

saliva, causes profuse perspiration, and lowers the temperature of the

body. In doses of from twenty to sixty drops of the fluid extract,

administered in a cup of warm water or herb tea on going to bed, we

have found it very effectual for breaking up recent colds. We have

also found it valuable in whooping-cough, in doses of from three to

ten drops, according to the age of the child, given three or four

times a day. The fluid extract may be obtained at almost any

drug-store.



May Weed (Maruta Cotula), is also known as wild Chamomile, and Dog

Fennel. It is not much used, though it is a powerful diaphoretic.

Dose - Of infusion, one to two ounces.



Catnip (Nepeta Cataria). A deservedly popular, domestic remedy, always

acceptable, and certain in its action. The warm infusion is the best

form for its administration. It may be drunk freely.



Ginger (Zingiber Officinale). The hot infusion may be sweetened and

drunk as freely as the stomach will bear.





DIURETICS







Marsh Mallow (Althea Officinalis), is used in irritable conditions of

the urinary organs. The infusion may be drunk freely.



Gravel Plant ( Epigea Repens), is also known as Waterpink,

Trailing-Arbutus, or Gravel-Root.

Dose - Of decoction of the plant, one to three ounces; of fluid

extract, one-fourth to one-half teaspoonful.



Stone Root (Collinsonia Canadensis),  is also known as Knot Root,

Horse Balm, Rich Weed, or Ox Balm. This is a mild diuretic, slow in

action, yet effective in allaying irritation of the bladder. The root

is the part used.

Dose - Od infusion, one to two ounces; of fluid extract, five to ten

drops; of the concentrated principle, Collinsonin, one-half to one

grain.



Foxglove ( Digitalis purpurea) slows the action of the heart, lowers

the temperature, and acts indirectly as a diuretic. It is especially

valuable in the treatment of scarlet fever and in dropsy.

Dose - Of infusion, one half drachm to one-half ounce; of the fluid

extract or strong tincture, from two to ten drops. It should be used

with caution. A poultice made of the leaves and placed over the

kidneys is an effectual method of employing the drug.



Queen of the Meadow ( Eupatorium Purpureum), is also known as Gravel

Weed, Gravel Root, or Trumpet Weed. This is a most valuable diuretic.

Dose - Of the infusion, one to three ounces; of fluid extract,

one-fourth to one-half teaspoonful; of the concentrated principle,

Eupatorin (Purpu), one-half to two grains.



Buchu (Barosma Crenata). The leaves are used. This agent has been

extensively employed, generally in compounds.

Dose - Of infusion, (steeped for two hours or more,) one to two

ounces; of fluid exteact, the same; of the concentrated principle,

Barosmin, one to three grains.



Pipsissewa ( Chimaphila Umbellata), or Prince's Pine. This is a tonic

to the kidneys, as well as a diuretic and alterative, and is a mild,

but very efficient remedy.

Dose - Of decocton, one ounce from four to six times a day; of fluid

extract, one-fourth to one-half teaspoonful; of the concentrated

principle, Chimaphilin, one to two grains.



Watermelon Seeds (Cucurbita Citrullus). Dose - Of infusion, the

patient may drink freely until the desired effect is secured.



Pumpkin Seeds (Cucurbita Pepo). They are mild, unirritating, yet

effective diuretics. an infusion of these may be drank freely.





EMETICS



Mustard (Sinapis) acts promptly and efficiently as an emetic, and may

be employed in poisoning.

Dose - From one to two teaspoons of powdered mustard, stirred up in a

glass of tepid water. It should be quickly swallowed and diluents

freely administered.



Lobelia (Lobelia Inflata), sometimes known as Indian Tobacco, or

Emetic Weed. The herb and seeds are used. This is a powerful, systemic

emetic but very depressing.

Dose - Of the powdered leaves, fifteen to twenty grains; of the

infusion, one to three ounces; of the fluid extract, ten to fifteen

frops.



Boneset (Eupatorium Perfoliatum). Dose - Of the warm infusion or

decoction, two to three ounces; of the fluid extract, one teaspoonful

in hot water; of the concentrated principle, Eupatorin, two to five

grains.



EMMENAGOGUES



Pennyroyal (Hedeoma Pulegioides). Pennyroyal, used freely in the form

of a warm infusion, promotes perspiration and excites the menstrual

discharge when recently checked. A large draught of the infusion

should be taken at bed-time. The feet should be bathed in warm water

previous to taking the infusion.



Black Cohosh (Cimicifuga Racemosa). Black Cohosh, known also as Black

Snake Root, is an effective remedy in uterine difficulties.

Dose - Of the tincture, twenty drops; of the fluid extract, ten drops.



Tansy (Tanacetum Vulgare). Tansy is beneficial in suppressed

menstruation.

Dose - Of the infusion, from one to four fluid ounces.



Life Root (Senecio Gracilis). Life Root exerts a peculiar influence

upon the female reproductive organs, and used with connamon and

raspberry leaves stops flooding. It is very efficacious in promoting

the menstrual flow, and is a valuable agent in the treatment of

uterine diseases.

Dose - Of the decoction, four fluid ounces three or four times a day;

of the fluid extract, from one-fourth to one-half teaspoonful.



Motherwort (Leonurus Cardiaca). Motherwort is usually given in warm

infusion, in suppression of the menses from cold.

Dose - Of the decoction, from two to three fluid ounces every one or

two hours.



NARCOTICS



Henbane (Hyoscyamus Niger). The leaves and seeds are used. Henbane, in

large doses, is a powerful narcotic and dangerously poisonous. In

medicinal doses, it is anodyne and antispasmodic; it allays pain,

induces sleep, and arrests spasms.

Dose - Of the fluid extract, five to ten drops; of the solid extract,

from one-half to one grain; of the concentrated principle, Hyoscyamin,

from one-twelfth to one-fourth of a grain.



Indian Hemp (Cannabis Indica) An east Indian plant.

Dose - Of the extract, from one-fourth to one-half grain; of the

tincture, from three to eight drops; of the fluid extract, from two to

five drops. The plant known as Indian Hemp, growing in this country,

possesses very different qualities.



Stramonium (Datura Stramonium). Stramonium, also known as Thorn Apple,

in large doses is a powerful narcotic poison. In medicinal doses it

acts as an anodyne and antispasmodic.

Dose - Of extract of the leaves, from one-half to ine grain; of the

fluid extract, from three to six drops.



NERVINES



Hops (Humulus Lupulus). Dose - Of infusion, one to three ounces; of

the fluid extract, one-fourth to one-half teaspoonful of the

concentrated principle, Humulin, two to three grains.



Skull Cap (Scutellaria Lateriolia). The herb is used. It is also known

as Mad Dog Weed. This is a valuable remedy.

Dose - Of infusion, one to two ounces; of the fluid extract, trn to

twenty drops; of the concentrated principle, Scutellarin, one to two

grains.



Lady's Slipper (Cypripedium Pubescens). The root is used.

Dose - Of the infusion, one-half to one-ounce; of the fluid extract,

one-fourht to one-half teaspoonful; of the concentrated principle,

Cypripedin, one to two grains.



SEDATIVES



Aconite (Aconitum Napellus). The parts used are the root and leaves.

Aconite slows the pulse, diminishes arterial tension, and lowers the

temperature of the body in fevers. It is an effectual remedy in acute

inflamation of the tonsils and throat, in acute bronchitis, in

inflamation of the lungs, and pleurisy, in the hot stage of

intermittent and remittent fevers, in the eruptive fevers, in fever

arising from a cold, and in some forms of neuralgia. Acute suppression

of the menses from a cold, may be relieved by the tincture of aconite

in drop doses every hour.

Dose - Of the tincture of the root, from one-half od a drop to two

drops, in a spoonful of water. In acute fevers and inflamations, from

one-half drop to one drop should be administered every half hour or

hour, according to the severity of the symptoms.



Peach Tree (Amygdalus Persica). Peach tree leaves and bark are

slightly sedative, but the chief use which we have found for these

articles is to control nausea and vomiting arising from irritability

of the stomach. It also possesses mild, tonic properties.

Dose - Of infusion of the bark of the small twigs or of the leaves,

from two to six teaspoonfuls.



American Hellebore (Veratrum Viride) is also known as White Hellebore,

Indian Poke, or Swamp Hellebore. The root is the part used. It is a

most valuable agent with which to control the frequent, strong,

bounding pulse common to many febrile and inflammatory diseases. When

the pulse is hard, incompressible, and bounding, this remedy is more

effectual than aconite.

Dose - Of the tincture and fluid extract, from one to two drops,

repeated every half hour to two hours, according to the severity of

the symptoms. This remedy should be given in very small doses,

frequently repeated, if we would secure its best effects. Our favorite

mode of administering both veratrum and aconite is to add ten drops of

the tincture to ten or fifteen teaspoonfuls of water, of which one

teaspoonful may be administered every hour.



Yellow Jessamine (Gelseminum Sempervirens). The root is the part used.

Through its controlling effect over the sympathetic nervous system,

this agent exerts a marked influence in controlling morbid

excitability of the circulatory organs. It allays irritation, and

determination of blood to the brain, indicated by flushed face,

contracted pupils, irritability, and restlessness, a frequent

condition in diseases incident to childhood. Its concentrated

principle, Gelsemin, is an efficient remedy in bloody-flux dysentery.

It should be administered in very small doses to secure the best

results. Only one-sixteenth to one-eighth of a grain is required,

repeated every two hours. It should be triturated with sugar of milk

or with common white sugar, in the proportion of one grain to ten of

sugar.

Dose - Of tincture, from five to fifteen drops; of fluid extract,

three to six drops; of Gelsemin, as a sedative, one-fourth to one-half

grain.





STIMULANTS



Cayenne Pepper (Capsicum Annuum). Cayenne Pepper is a powerful

stimulant. 

Dose - Of the powder, from one to six grains, administered in milk; of

the tincture, from five to ten drops, largely diluted in milk or

water.



Black Pepper (Piper Nigrum). Black pepper is a warm, carminative

stimulant. 

Dose - From five to fifteen grains; of the fluid extract, from ten to

fifteen drops.



Prickley Ash (Xanthoxylum Fraxineum). Prickely Ash Bark is a stimulant

and tonic. The parts used are the bark and leaves.

Dose - Of the fluid extract, from five to fifteen drops; of the

tincture, ten to twenty drops; of the active principle, Xanthoxylin,

one to two grains.



TONICS



White Poplar (Liriodendron Tulipifera),  also called American Poplar,

or White Wood. The part used is the inner bark. This is a mild but

valuable tonic.

Dose - Of the infusion, from one-half to one ounce; of the tincture,

from one to two teaspoonfuls.



Chamomile (Anthemis Nobilis). The part used is the flowers. This is a

mild, unirritating tonic.

Dose - Of the infusion (one-fourth ounce of flowers to a pint of

water), one-half to one ounce.



Gentian (Gentiana Lutea). The root is the part used. This is a

favorite domestic tonic in many localities.

Dose - Of powdered root, five to ten grains; of the tincture, ten to

twenty drops; of the fluid extract, five to ten drops, four to five

times a day.



Willow (Salix Alba). Willow is a tonic and an astringent.

Dose - Of the decoction, from one to two fluid ounces; of the

concentrated principle, Salicin, two to four grains.



Gold Thread (Coptis Trifolia). Gold Thread is a pure and powerful,

bitter tonic, and is also efficacious as a wash for sore mouth or as a

gargle.

Dose - Of the tincture, from ten to twenty drops; of the fluid

extract, from five to ten drops.



END















































From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ADC herb mixture?

From: ZFSJ47D@prodigy.com (Miss Heidi M. Evans)

Date: 21 Nov 1996 18:57:55 GMT



My mother often gets names wrong, so let me know if you think it might 

be called something else.  But she recently had a coworker recommend 

some kind of herb mixture called ADC for stress.  She would like to 

know any information anyone has about it---what's in it, how well does 

it work for other people, and is it safe for her? (She suffers from 

diabetes, low blood pressure, and a frequently elevated pulse rate, as 

well as a slight case of attention deficit disorder).



"We are painted. Fear us."-----Grimly The Invisible





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help: herb/health food-"Cassiae Torae Semen"

From: "Frank Sung" <fsung@axon.axnet.com>

Date: 22 Nov 96 05:55:25 GMT



Hello,



Have anybody know a natural health food or a herb named "Cassiae Torae

Semen" (or Chueh-Ming-Tzu)?  I need its explanation or what it is.  Thank

you very much.



Frank







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help: herb/health food-"Cassiae Torae Semen"

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 25 Nov 1996 09:49:37 GMT



Chueh-Ming-Tzu   sickle senne seed  < Semen Cassiae >

Cool in nature, organ affected: liver.

special effect: stopping the shed of liquid in eyes caused by excessive

heat or infection in liver.

Ref: Liver got its openning on eyes.  (The Yellow Emperor's Canon of

Internal Medicine)

regards yklaw at jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com





Frank Sung <fsung@axon.axnet.com> wrote in article

<01bbd839$f6425b60$655164c0@compaq>...

> Hello,

> 

> Have anybody know a natural health food or a herb named "Cassiae Torae

> Semen" (or Chueh-Ming-Tzu)?  I need its explanation or what it is.  Thank

> you very much.

> 

> Frank

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hypertension

From: the_abes@mail.durham.net (Cathy Abraham)

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:17:43 GMT



While I am sure that you have answered this quesitons a million times,

this is the first time for me:



Could someone please reccommend  a homeopathic treatment for high

blood pressure.



My mother has recently been diagnosed with high blood pressure and she

does not want to have to take drugs for the rest of her life to

control this.



She is interested in any and all suggestions that she can look into

further.



Please feel free to e-mail me directly if you do not want to clog up

the newsgroup with a repeat question and answer.



Cathy

the_abes@mail.durham.net



Thank you very much for all of your help. 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Peppercorns

From: Freeman <freeman1@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:55:03 -0800



How do you make pepper from the peppercorn tree?  I've just discovered a

peppercorn tree in my backyard and would appreciate help with the

following:



1.  HARVESTING  When do you harvest peppercorns?  (They started out

green and are red now and the tree has no leaves.  I believe the tree is

a Brazilian Pepper.)



2.  DRYING  Do they need to be dried out first, and if so about how long

should you dry them for?  Can you do it in an oven? a microwave?



3.  SPOILAGE  Since fruits can spoil, can peppercorns spoil too and how

can you tell if a peppercorn is bad?



Any help greatly appreicated!  *_*





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Peppercorns

From: baird@gate.net (Baird Stafford)

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 16:06:35 -0500



In article <32958687.6979@sprynet.com>,

Freeman <freeman1@sprynet.com> wrote:



<snip>



>1.  HARVESTING  When do you harvest peppercorns?  (They started out

>green and are red now and the tree has no leaves.  I believe the tree is

>a Brazilian Pepper.)



As with everything you ingest, be absolutely sure of your

identification! The taxonomy of the Brazilian pepper is

_Schinus_terebinthifolius_ Raddi; I offer it because that may make

it easier to look up.



A word of warning here:  the Brazilian pepper is related to poison

ivy and may cause the same symptoms in persons who are sensitive to

the latter plant.  It SHOULD NOT BE EATEN by anyone who has an

allergic reaction to poison ivy/oak/sumac!



For those who have no such reaction, it's quite edible and has a

distinctive flavor of its own.



>2.  DRYING  Do they need to be dried out first, and if so about how long

>should you dry them for?  Can you do it in an oven? a microwave?



*If* it is a Brazilian pepper and the birds don't get the fruit

first, harvest and dry as you would any other fruit.  Leaving it to

dry on the tree might allow it to become contaminated with various

molds.



>3.  SPOILAGE  Since fruits can spoil, can peppercorns spoil too and how

>can you tell if a peppercorn is bad?



The Brazilian pepper is not a true peppercorn:  it's a berry. 

Visible spoilage should be the same as with any other fruit.



The plant was introduced here in Florida as an ornamental and has

since become a weed spread by birds (who can, when the berries are

just a little "off," become very, very drunk on them - though some

have speculated that the berry contains a slight hallucinogenic

component which may be removed by drying).  The State of Florida

spends millions of dollars every year trying to eradicate the

things, and it's illegal here to plant one knowingly.



Baird









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: oil of Evening Primrose

From: phuyett@cctr.umkc.edu (Donna Beach)

Date: 22 Nov 96 08:55:35 CST



Some medical researchers believe Oil of Evening

Primrose may help to prevent breast cancer, and

may also alleviate fibrocystic breast disease.

It may also help relieve symptoms of menopause.







Donna





















From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cosmetic Herb Mailing List

From: rmeister@MTS.Net (Persis K. Meisters)

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:19:05 -0500



Is there a mailing list pertaining to cosmetic herbs and that kind of

subject? Please reply to Persis@sara.zia.com



P.S. If you do know of any please tell me how to join it. 

Thank you,

Persis





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal treatment for gout?

From: bcarlin@interserf.net (Bill Carlin)

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:12:54 GMT



This is one of those "for a friend" situations.  I don't know anything

about it except perhaps how to spell it.  Can it be cured or does it

require long-term maintenance?

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Fredericksburg, Virginia, USA.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal treatment for gout?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 22 Nov 1996 17:33:01 -0700



bcarlin@interserf.net (Bill Carlin) wrote:



>This is one of those "for a friend" situations.  I don't know anything

>about it except perhaps how to spell it.  Can it be cured or does it

>require long-term maintenance?



   Gout requires long-term dietary changes, and drugs to help the

body get rid of excess uric acid.

   The old herbal remedies were too toxic to recommend to anyone

(if you aren't careful, it can kill you).



  However, eating large quantities of cherries is reputed to

help diminish the severity of an attack.

Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | http://www.writepage.com











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal treatment for gout?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 03:39:13 GMT



bcarlin@interserf.net (Bill Carlin) wrote:



>This is one of those "for a friend" situations.  I don't know anything

>about it except perhaps how to spell it.  Can it be cured or does it

>require long-term maintenance?



See my post called Diet and Supplemet Tips and follow the Stones,

Crystals, and Deposits regimen.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal treatment for gout?

From: jvalonis@maine.com (John Valonis)

Date: 24 Nov 1996 05:08:43 GMT



I put four tablespoons of celery seeds in two quarts of water, simmer for 

four hours, strai off the seeds, drink three cups per day. Mix honey to 

sweeten. Immediate relief.



Also, drink lots of gingerale







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal treatment for gout?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:26:40 GMT



jvalonis@maine.com (John Valonis) wrote:



>I put four tablespoons of celery seeds in two quarts of water, simmer for 

>four hours, strai off the seeds, drink three cups per day. Mix honey to 

>sweeten. Immediate relief.



A great suggestion as well, if followed long term.  Celery seed, as

well as poppy seeds, is a  particularly rich source of magnesium,

calcium, and other minerals.  Celery seeds also appear to be diuretic

which is probably as important as its mineral content.  I would more

recommend grinding them (or chewing well) and eating with water

to get the most out of them.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal treatment for gout?

From: Linda Campos <herbalhouse@geocities.com>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:45:10 +0000



Bill Carlin wrote:

> 

> This is one of those "for a friend" situations.  I don't know anything

> about it except perhaps how to spell it.  Can it be cured or does it

> require long-term maintenance?

> -------------------------------------------------------------------

> Fredericksburg, Virginia, USA.

=====================================================================

Gout is caused by excessive Uric Acid.  Primrose and Safflower will help

eliminate Uric Acid buildup.  You need to eat only raw fruits and

vegetables for two weeks.  Meat contains extrememly high amounts of uric

acid. The use of vitamin B complex is very important. Use of birch,

burdock, hyssop, and juniper herbs are good.

Hope this is of some help.  I'm sure there are some really good

homopatic products that are good also.  More info, just e-mail me.

Hope this is of some help.

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/3006







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal treatment for gout?

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 03:04:25 GMT



bcarlin@interserf.net (Bill Carlin) spoke with these words:



>This is one of those "for a friend" situations.  I don't know anything

>about it except perhaps how to spell it.  Can it be cured or does it

>require long-term maintenance?

>-------------------------------------------------------------------

>Fredericksburg, Virginia, USA.





Get Safflowers...encapsulated.  Take as the bottle directs.  It can be

cured..until the next flare up..or until that person stops eating the

items that  help it flare up.



JW

http://www.cwo.com/~jwell







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: FREE BOOK/PT.2

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:15:13 GMT



Beginning of Part 2



OATS:



Known as a general body-builder, good for muscles, glands, teeth, hair

and nails. Oatmeal (mush) is hard to digest and not recommended for

children. It should be eaten sparingly by adults because it often

forms a gluey, constipating mass, causing much fermentation and gas

but is good fiber. 



OAT STRAW TEA:



Known as a fine drink  in cases of emaciation, impotency and general

mineral deficiency.



OKRA:



Known to help with stomach ulcers, pleurisy, colitis, enteritis,

obesity, sore throat and stones. Consider using  powdered okra if

fresh is not available. When taken regularly, it may reduce excessive

weight. 



OLIVES: (Natural-Sun-Dried)



Known for dyspepsia, nervousness, malaria, constipation, liver

disorders, emaciation, heart burn, gas diabetes and biliousness. 



OLIVE OIL: (virgin first pressed)



A very rich, nourishing, digestible vegetable oil. Known for

emaciation (if liver is not too sluggish), and general body-building,

but must be used in moderation. It may De used externally for soothing

and healing sun burn, other burns, skin eruptions, inflammations. Use

only the first pressed virgin oil available at herbal stores. Note:

(This is not the same as the commercial variety).



ONIONS:



Onions are known to be diuretic, slightly laxative and promote

expectoration of phlegm and the drainage of mucus in catarrh

conditions, including sinusitis. Onions have germ-killing properties.

They are good for hair, nails and eyes and also indicated in cases of

asthma, bronchitis, colds, tuberculosis, grippe or flu, pneumonia, low

blood pressure, acne, pimples and other eruptions, insomnia,

nervousness, vertigo, dropsy, dysuria, worms and other parasites, poor

circulation, neuritis and obesity. A poultice of crushed onions is

good for pleurisy and boils. Raw onions should not be eaten if one

Suffers with with gastritis, stomach ulcers or colitis. 



ORANGES:



Orange juice is known as a good blood cleanser. Known in cases of

asthma, bronchitis, tuberculosis, catarrh, sluggish liver, pneumonia,

fevers (diluted), rheumatism, arthritis, high blood pressure, and

alcoholism. If oranges produce skin eruptions or cause a person to

break out with a rash, it often indicates that there is poison in or

under the skin which is trying to be eliminated. Under these

conditions it is advisable to eat nothing but oranges or some other

fruit for a few days which may help drive out many toxins from the

body, thus enabling a person to eat oranges without causing the skin

eruptions, Oranges should not be eaten in cases of gastritis, stomach

ulcers, or colitis. A person can eat too many oranges very easily, in

some cases causing high mouth acidity and eroded teeth. 



ORANGE PEEL:



Aids digestion if eaten a few minutes before meals. It is also used

for flavoring and seasoning.

With the distribution processes of today, consider only organically

grown.



PAPAYA:



This tropical fruit contains a large amount of the digestive enzyme

papain (vegetable pepsin) and is known to be valuable in various

digestive weaknesses and disturbances. It is a very delicate food.

Weak, sensitive stomachs find it soothing and easily digested. Tastes

similar to a muskmelon, though it grows on a small tree, It is a mucus

solvent and a cleanser of the digestive tract. It is capable of

digesting many times its weight in protein food. If no other food is

eaten for several days it has a wonderful tonic, rebuilding effect on

the stomach and digestive tract. The milk-juice of papaya is used in

the treatment of colitis, pelvic disorders and in many ways as an aid

in dissolving and breaking down mucus and pus.



PARSLEY:



Rich in vital minerals contains more iron than any other green leafy

vegetable. Known for anemia, halitosis, nephritis, tuberculosis,

syphilis, menstruation disorders, fevers, congested liver and gall

bladder, diseases of the urinary tract, rheumatism, arthritis,

acidosis, obesity, high blood pressure, catarrh, dyspepsia and good

for removing garlic and onion odors from the breath.

To keep parsley fresh, place in a fruit jar, close the lid tightly and

keep in the refrigerator.



RAW PARSLEY JUICE:



Reported to be valuable in helping to eliminate poisonous drugs from

the body and in dissolving stones and treating venereal diseases, in

addition to disorders mentioned above.

PARSLEY TEA for diabetes. It also acts as a mild sedative. Consider

1/4 glass of juice and 3/4 glass of some other vegatable juice as the

parsley is quite a powerful remedy .



PARSNIPS:



Known for gout, tuberculosis, colitis, neuritis, insomnia, piles,

diarrhea, stomach ulcers and for general body-building. They are

slightly diuretic.



PEACHES:



Known as a good spring cleanser and blood purifier. Known to help in

cases of anemia, poor skin, sallow complexion, constipation, high

blood pressure, gastritis, nephritis, acidosis, bronchitis, asthma,

poor digestion, bladder and kidney stones.

Few people realize peaches rank next to oranges and grapes as food for

man. In appearance there is no fruit more attractive and beautiful

than a golden peach with a pink cheek. Nor is there any fruit more

inviting to the taste than a juicy, luscious peach. The main objection

against peaches is, that when ripe they will not keep like oranges and

grapes.



PEANUTS:



A very substantial, body-building food, especially the peanut butter;

however, it is high in fat and may be a little too rich for some

people. Known for low blood pressure and general run-down conditions.

The boiled peanuts fresh from the ground are delicious.  

Note: (Botanically, nuts are fruits from trees and peanuts are

legumes). 



PEARS:



A fine breakfast food and a good body cleanser. Known for cases of

poor digestion, nephritis, constipation, acidosis, skin eruptions,

high blood pressure, obesity, colitis and catarrh. 



PEAS: (All Varieties)



Known to be a all-around nourishing and strength restoring food.

Particularly valuable in cases of anemia and low blood pressure. Can

also be valuable for people that are underweight. 



PECANS:



One of the rich foods. May be also eaten in powdered form and as

butter. Known for emaciation, poor teeth, low blood pressure and

general weakness. 

Note: (Botanically, nuts are fruits from trees and peanuts are

legumes). 



PEPPERS:



BELL PEPPERS Eat them raw or juice if possible. Known for liver

disorders, obesity, acidosis, constipation, poor blood and high blood

pressure.  Has more vitamin C than oranges.



RED OR HOT PEPPERS:



Known for colds, asthma, sinusitis, worms and malaria. Use sparingly

or not at all if there is inflammation of stomach,bowels or kidneys.



PEPPERMINT:



Known for asthma, hay fever, colds, bronchitis, smallpox, catarrh,

anemia, tuberculosis, dyspepsia, poor complexion and digestive

weakness.



PEPPERMINT TEA:



Drink instead of regular tea, known to be a very healthful Herb For

colds, weakened digestion, dyspepsia, weak heart, diarrhea, pneumonia,

gas, nausea, heart burn, chills, appendicitis, gall bladder and liver

disorders. Great for use when eating unripe fruit and getting a

stomach ache.



PERSIMMONS:



Known to be a fine energy food and very soothing to the digestive

tract. Indicated for stomach and bowel ulcers, piles, colitis,

constipation, glandular hormones, pleurisy and sore throat.



PINEAPPLE:



Known as a mild, natural digestive stimulant, They should be eaten

more or less regularly. Pineapples contain papain, a valuable

digestive aid, and are rich in chlorine which also aids digestion of

proteins. Also indicated for bronchitis, diphtheria, constipation,

tumors, sore throat, obesity, goiter, dyspepsia, catarrh, high blood

pressure and arthritis.  Also known as a regulator of the glands. The

next time you get a sore throat or laryngitis, try eating a raw

pineapple (learned this in Hawaii). Excellent reports have been

achieved in 15 hours or less.



PLUMS:



Another good spring and summer cleansing food known in cases of

biliousness and other liver disorders, bronchitis, constipation,

piles, gas, rheumatism, weakened digestion, obesity, tumors,

dyspepsia, and skin eruptions. 



POMEGRANATES:



Known as a good blood purifier and indicated for tape worms and other

worms, constipation (eat seeds), dyspepsia, liver congestion,

tuberculosis, syphilis, genito-urinary tract, arthritis and high blood

pressure.

When drinking the juice it is best to dilute it, or at least, drink

small quantities at one time.



POTATOES:



IRISH: A general body-building because of the large quantities of

vitamins and minerals, but low in roughage. The nutrients are so close

to the skin that they cannot be saved if peeled. A mealy baked potato

is most healthful and easily digested. Known to be good food for

people suffering from stomach ulcers, conditions of the colon, low

blood pressure, and bad blood circulation. To drink the water from

boiled potato skins is good for acidosis. Fried potatoes cannot be

properly digested. Raw, crushed or scraped potatoes make a good

poultice in cases of erysipelas, sore eyes, boils and carbuncles; for

neuralgia have the poultice hot. For burns, apply the cold crushed

potato directly.

In the time of  Europe's great famine,  people  survived because of

the potato for many years.



SWEET: 



Known as a good, nourishing, body-building food for muscular workers,

Also indicated for piles, poor circulation, low blood pressure,

diarrhea, stomach ulcers and colitis. Eat the skins except in cases of

colitis or stomach and bowel ulcers. 



PRUNES:



Known for low vitality, constipation. piles, anemia and poor

circulation. They are more healthful if they are soaked over night

rather than stewed because of the oxalic acid. Prune juice, plain or

mixed with a little honey, is a good remedy for sore throat. 



PUMPKINS:



Known to help in cases cases of dropsy, piles, stomach ulcers,

colitis, low blood pressure and emaciation. 



PUMPKIN SEED: (tea)  



Known for tape worms and other worms, and for constipation. Contains a

male hormone food that is known to help relieve many prostrate

problems.



QUINCES:



Known to help with a sluggish liver, constipation, acidosis, and

arthritis.



RADISHES: (Red)



Good for teeth, gums, nerves. Known to help in cases of tuberculosis,

obesity, catarrh, constipation, gall stones, kidney disorders, poor

appetite, nerve exhaustion. They are slightly diuretic. 



RAISINS:



A very valuable, concentrated, body-building food. Known for anemia,

tuberculosis, low blood pressure, constipation, weak hearts, and  a

source of quick energy and warmth. The juice from soaked or stewed

raisins for catarrh, asthma and sore throat.



RASPBERRIES:



A good blood and skin cleanser. Known for menstrual cramps,

constipation, obesity, high blood pressure, many body worms and

congested liver. Tea made from the raspberry leaves is known for

diarrhea - drink it cold. Place one ounce of leaves into one and

one-half pints of water and simmer for twenty minutes, The warm tea

tends to produce normal menstrual flow, and if taken during pregnancy,

it helps make childbirth easier. 



RHUBARB:



Known to increase the flow of saliva, gastric juice, bile, and aids

peristalsis. It is a tonic and good for nursing mothers. Eat small

quantities. Do not eat if suffering with rheumatism because of the

oxalic acid. Also known in cases of constipation, obesity,

indigestion, tumors, neuritis, bronchitis and worms. 



RICE: (Natural Brown)



An easily digested starch - could be eaten more often instead of one

consuming so much bread. A nourishing, body-building food, good for

hair, teeth, nails, muscles and bones. Known for diarrhea and is

reported to be safely eaten in small quantities in cases of stomach or

bowel ulcers.



RUTABAGAS:



Known for constipation and they help to expel gas and worms. In the

old days, this was a miners staple food. 



SAGE:



Known for rheumatism, arthritis, tuberculosis, gas and weakened

digestion. Known to help afflictions of the throat, gargle as a tea .

For diphtheria, place one ounce of sage in one and one-half pints of

water and simmer for twenty minutes. Take one-half glass as frequently

as needed.

Warning, avoid excessive use.



SAUERKRAUT JUICE: (raw only)



Use the brands which contain the least amount of salt. The lactic acid

has a cleansing, tonic effect on the bowels. Known to help in cases of

constipation, colitis, catarrh, dyspepsia, high blood pressure. Good

for teeth and bones. Diluted sauerkraut juice with a little honey

added, makes a good drink. Also one-third sauerkraut juice and

two-thirds tomato juice makes a fine laxative drink when needed. A

good food for people suffering from diabetes.



SPINACH:



Spinach has much value though there are other greens higher in iron

and other minerals. Known for anemia, constipation, neuritis, nerve

exhaustion, tumors, insomnia, arthritis, high blood pressure,

bronchitis, liver, kidney and bladder disorders. Best eaten raw

because of the oxalic acid.



SQUASHES: (summer and zucchini)



Known for high blood pressure, obesity, constipation, kidney and

bladder disorders. Should be eaten freely in hot climates.



STRAWBERRIES:



Known to be one of the best skin-cleansing foods ever known. Many have

reported that the cleansing process caused a break out with a rash

(allergic reaction). They did not look so good or feel very pleasant

for a few days,  nevertheless the strawberries gave them a good skin

and blood cleansing.  

Many people that are allergic to strawberries have reported that

washing them first under very hot then cold water, they did not have

the allergic reaction after the skin and blood cleansing process was

over. There is a suspected fuzz that gets removed from this washing

process.

Store them in the refrigerator in a colander. The cold air circulating

through the berries will keep them firm and fresh for days. 

Known to help in cases of sluggish skin and liver, poor complexion,

gout, rheumatism, skin cancer, high blood pressure, constipation,

syphilis, acidosis and catarrh. For ringworm or sore eyes, make a

poultice of crushed strawberries and apply to effected part.

It is also known to help remove tarter from the teeth and strengthen

the gums using the juice  as a mouth wash and the strawberries are

rubbed directly on the gums assisting with a tooth brush.



TANGERINES:



Known for bronchitis, pneumonia, rheumatism, arthritis, asthma,

catarrh, diabetes, fevers, congested liver, high blood pressure and

poor skin. 



TOMATOES:



Another natural antiseptic which may be used in some cases as

mentioned under Lemons. They protect against infection and are also

good skin and blood purifiers. Known in cases of congested liver gall

stones, biliousness, jaundice, dyspepsia, tumors, gout, rheumatism,

colds, tuberculosis, obesity, high blood pressure, catarrh, pimples

and sinus trouble.  For ringworm eat them and also apply externally as

a poultice. 



TURNIPS: (roots)



Use raw turnips freely in salads - good for teeth and gums - they are

also an excellent tooth cleanser. Known for tuberculosis, nervousness,

constipation and insomnia. 



(tops)  Turnip tops are rich in minerals and make good greens. Known

for anemia, tuberculosis, toxemia, acidosis, impure blood, poor

complexion, tumors, obesity, high blood pressure, gout, poor appetite,

bladder disorders, bronchitis, asthma, skin diseases, torpid liver,

and for the elimi-

nation of various drugs from the system.  



WALNUTS:



Known as a  rich, muscle- and body-building food. Good for teeth and

gums and emaciation. 

Botanically, nuts are fruits from trees and peanuts are legumes. 





WHEAT GERM:



A valuable source of many vitamins an minerals.



WATERCRESS:



Known as one of the very best body-cleansers and toxin-neutralizers.

Helps to rout out and eliminate old drug poisons from the body. Known

in eases of anemia, kidney and bladder inflammations and stones,

bronchitis, asthma, tuberculosis, rheumatism, arthritis, gout, poor

digestion, apoplexy, syphilis, liver disorders, pimples and other skin

eruptions, grippe and flu, constipation, dyspepsia, tumors and

weakened glands. It is known as the poor man's vitamin because it

contains potent amounts of vitamins and minerals.



YEAST:



An outstanding source of many vitamins and minerals.







AILMENT'S AND FORMULAS  USING YOUR JUICE EXTRACTOR



ACNE, Pimples, etc.-Impurities in the body trying to be eliminated

through the skin: Carrots 12 oz., Spinach 4 oz.



ANEMIA-Deficient;y of red blood corpuscles due to improper diet:

Carrots 12 oz., Beets 4 oz.



APPENDICITIS-Inflammation of the appendix due to prolonged retention

of waste matter in the colon: Carrots 10 oz., Celery 4 oz.



ARTHRITIS-Deposits of inorganic calcium in the cartilage of the

joints: Carrots 10 oz., Celery 6 oz.



ASTHMA-Extreme difficulty in breathing due to mucous accumulation in

bronchial tubes. Carrots, 10 oz., Radishes 3 oz., Celery 3 oz.



BILIOUSNESS-The result of incomplete digestion of fats causing

improper secretion and flow of bile from the liver: Carrots 10 oz.,

Parsley 2 oz., Celery 4 oz.



BOILS- CARBUNCLES-Purulent tumors caused by impurities in the blood

stream resulting in bacterial infection: Carrots 8 oz., Lettuce 4 oz.,

Spinach 4 oz.



BRONCHITIS-Inflammation of the bronchial tubes due to excessive mucus

in the system: carrots 10 oz., Beets 4 oz., Cucumbers 2 oz.



CANCERS-Groups of cells half starved from lack of proper organic

nourishment: Carrots 12 oz., Spinach 4 oz.



CATARRH-Copious secretions from the mucous membrane due to the

inability of the body to assimilate milk and concentrated starches:

Lemon Juice 1/4, pint, Ground Horseradish (not pressed) 4 oz.



CONSTIPATION Lack of coordination of the colon and bowel due to

excessive use of devitialized foods in the diet: Carrots 12 oz.,

Spinach 4 oz.



CRAMPS Pains due to the presence of gas in the intestinal region:

Carrots 12 oz., Beets 2 oz., Cucumbers 2 oz.



DEAFNESS (Catarrh)-Presence of mucus in the auditory channels: Carrots

10 oz., Celery 4 oz., Parsley 2 oz.



DIABETES-Inability of the Pancreas to metabolize carbohydrates due to

excessive use of concentrated starches and sugars: Carrots 8 oz.,

String Beans 3 oz., Brussel Sprouts 5 oz.



DIARRHEA-Loose bowels: Carrots 8 oz., Celery 30z., Parsley 2 oz.,

Spinach 3 oz.



DROPSY-Excessive water due to improper or insufficient elimination

through kidneys: Carrots 11 oz., Beets 2 oz., Cucumbers 3 oz.



DYSPEPSIA-Indigestion due to excessive acidity in the alimentary

tract: Carrots 8 oz., Celery 3 oz., Parsley 2 oz., Spinach 3 oz.



ECZEMA-Inflammatory condition of the skin due to excessive acidity:

(Carrots 12 oz., Spinach 4 oz.



EPILEPSY-Nervous spasms resulting from excessive toxemia: Carrots 11

oz., Beets 3 oz., Cucumbers 2 oz.



GALL-STONES-Inorganic matter solidifying in the Gall Bladder: Carrots

10 oz., Celery 4 oz., Parsley 2 oz.



GASTRITIS-Distress due to excessive formation of gas in the system:

Carrots 12 oz., Spinach 4 oz.



GOUT-Inflammation of the ligaments of a joint or bone, due to

excessive fat in the diet: Carrots 9 oz., Beets 4 oz., Cucumbers 3 oz.



HAY-FEVER-Abnormal mucous in the eyes and air passages: Carrots 8 oz.,

Celery 6 oz., Parsley 2 oz.



HEADACHES (Chronic)-Nature's warning, give body a thorough house

cleaning, thus reestablishing the equilibrium of the blood: Carrots 8

oz., Lettuce 4 oz., Spinach 4 oz.



HEART TROUBLE-Caused by the impure condition of the blood resulting in

improper activity: Carrots 12 oz., Spinach 4 oz.



HEMORRHOIDS-Excessive enlargement of the blood vessels in the lower

part of the rectum. When excessively enlarged they bleed and itch:

Carrots 9 oz., Spinach 5 oz., Watercress 2 oz., Turnips 2 oz.



HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE-Excessive tension of the blood in the arteries:

Carrots 11 oz., Spinach 5 oz.



INDIGESTION-The result of wrong combinations of food: Carrots 16 oz.



INFLUENZA AND COLDS-Caused by excessive retention in the system of

food waste resulting in a feeding and breeding bacteria affecting

principally the air passages but accompanied by fever and nervous

prostration: Whole Lemon Juice l/4 pint Ground Horseradish (not

pressed) 4 oz.



INSOMNIA-Inability to sleep. Nervous tension or excessive acidity:

Carrots 10 oz., Celery 6 oz.



ITCH-Caused by certain germs or bacteria attempting to leave the body

by way of the pores of the skin: Carrots 12 oz., Spinach 4 oz.



KIDNEY TROUBLE-The result of improper and excessive use of meat in the

diet: Carrots 10 oz., Celery 4 oz., Parsley 2 oz.



LIVER TROUBLE-The result of eating an excess of starches, sugars, tats

and meats: Carrots 12 oz., Beets 2 oz., Coconut 2 oz.



LOW BLOOD PRESSURE-Due to excessive use of devitalized foods resulting

in deficiency of vital elements in the blood: Carrots 7 oz., Celery 4

oz., Parsley 2 oz., Spinach 3 oz.



MEASLES-Germs and bacteria surging out through fine skin. one of

Nature's methods of house cleaning, particularly in childhood: Carrots

11 oz., Spinach 3 oz., Dandelion 2 oz.



NEPHRITIS-Inflammation of the kidneys resulting from excessive acids:

Carrots 11 oz., Parsley 5 oz.



NERVOUSNESS-Irritability of nerve centers due to organic alkaline

deficiency: Carrots 10 oz., Celery 6 oz.



NEURALGIA-Intense pain in the nerve which has been improperly

nourished: Carrots 10 oz., Celery 4 oz., Parsley 2 oz.



PARALYSIS-Loss of power to control or coordinate the muscles due to

starvation of the nerve centers: Carrots 10 oz., Spinach 6 oz.



QUINSY-Inflammation due to the excessive body and food waste in one

system: Carrots 7 oz., Celery 3 oz., Spinach 4 oz., Parsley 2 oz.



RICKETS-Deficiency of organic calcium and other elements resulting in

softness or flexibility of the bones: Carrots 8 oz., Celery 8 oz.



RHEUMATISM-Inflammation affecting muscles and joints, resulting from

the presence of excessive matter in the body: Celery 6 oz., Carrots 8

oz., Parsley 2 oz.



SCIATICA-Inflammation of the Sciatic nerve, usually due to the

presence of excessive uric acid: Carrots 8 oz., Celery 5 oz., Beets 3

oz.



SCURVY-The result of an improperly balanced diet with insufficient

organic nourishment: Carrots 7 oz., Celery 5 oz., Parsley 2 Oz.

Spinach 2 oz.



SINUS TROUBLE-Usually due to excessive mucus resulting from excessive

use of milk and starches and sugar: Lemon Juice 8 oz., Horseradish

Ground (not pressed) 4 oz. Also see the heading Ear Wax and Sinus

Infections below.



SLEEPLESSNESS-The result of excessive nervous tension and improper

elimination of waste from the body: Carrots 10 oz., Celery 6 oz.,

Pressed Celery Tops and Stalks.



THROMBOSIS-The result of the coagulation of a clot of blood

obstructing a blood vessel due to a deficiency of organic elements to

maintain the purity of the blood: Carrots 11 oz., Spinach 5 oz.



TONSILLITIS-Inflammation due to an over-acid condition of the body:

Carrots 6 oz., Celery 4 oz., Spinach 4 oz., Parsley 2 oz.



TUBERCULOSIS-The result of excessive mucus in the system causing the

tubercular germ, which by its presence is destructive to the tissues

of the lungs: Carrots 10 oz., Celery 6 oz.



ULCERS (chiefly gastric)-A disease caused by unhealthy tissue as a

result of eating incompatible combinations of food: Carrots 12 oz.,

Spinach 4 oz.



URTICARIA (Hives)-An excessively acid condition of the body trying to

become normal by means of excretion through the skin: Carrots 6 oz.,

Celery 5 oz., Parsley 2 oz., Spinach 3 oz.



FRUITS AND VEGETABLE NAMES DATES AND ORIGINS



Apple (Malus Pumila)                       Southwestern Asia, 400 BC

Apricot (Prunus armeniaca)              Western Asia, ? BC

Artichoke (Cynara scolymus)            Western Mediterranean, 500 BC

Asparagus (Asperagus officinalis)     Eastern Mediterranean, 200 BC

Avocado (Persea americana)              Central America, AD 1000

Banana (Musa sapientum)                  Tropical Asia, 100 BC-AD 100

Beet (beta vulgaris)                             Mediterranean, 200 BC

Broccoli (Brassica oleracea)                Mediterranean, AD 100

Brussels Sprouts (Brassica oleracea)   Northern Europe, AD 1100

Cabbage (Brassica oleracea)                Europe, 500 BC

Cantaloupe (Cucumis melo)                Western Asia, Africa, 2000 BC

Carrot (Daucus carota)                        Afghanistan, 500 BC

Cauliflower (Brassica oleracea)          Eastern M editerranean, 600

BC

Celery (Apium graveolens)                 Western Asia, 850 BC

Cherry (Prunus avium)                        Europe and Asia 300 BC

Chives (AIlium scoenoprasum)           Eastern Mediterranean, 100 BC

Corn (Zea mays)                                  Central, South

America, 2000 BC

Cucumber (Cucumis sativus)              India, 200 BC

Date (Phoenix dactylifera)                  Southwestern Asia, Africa,

7 BC

Garlic (AlIium sativum)                     Western Asia, 3000 BC

Grape (Vitus vinifera)                        Eastern Mediterranean,

4000 BC

Grapefruit (Citrusparidisi)                  West Indies, AD 1600-1750

Green pea (Pisum sativum)                Central Asia, 2500 BC

Lemon (Citrus limon)                        Southeast Asia,100 BC-AD

100

Lettuce (Lactuca sativa)                    Mediterranean, Asia Minor,

500 BC

Lime (Citrus aurantifolia)                  Southern Asia,100 BC-AD

100

Onion (AIlium cepa)                          Western Asia, 4000 BC

Orange (Citrus sinensis)                     Indochinese Peninsula,

2000 BC

Parsnip (pastinaca sativa)                   Eastern Europe, 100 BC

Peach (Prunus persica)                       China, Western Asia, 2000

BC

Peanut (Arachis hypogaea)                 South America, AD 750

Pear (Pyrus communis)                      Western Asia, 1000 BC

Pepper (Capsicium frutescens)           South America, AD 500

Plum (Prunus domestica)                   Western Asia, 2000 BC

Potato (Solanum tuberosum)              Andes of South America, AD 100

Radish (Raphanus sativus)                 China, 2000 BC

Rhubarb (Rheum rhaponticum)            Asia Minor, 3000 BC

Soybean (Soja max or Glycine soja)     China, 2000 BC

Spinach (Spinacia oeracea)                   Iran, AD 600



Snap Beans (Phaseolus vulgaris)          The Americas, AD 750

Sweet Potato (Ipomoea batatas)            Central America, AD 850

Tomato (Lycopersicum esculentum)     South, Central America, AD 700

Turnip (Brassica rapa)                           Western Asia, 400 BC

Watermelon (Citrullus vulgaris)           Central Africa, 2000 BC

Yams (Dioscorea)                                 Africa, AD 800



Auto-Intoxication



This means "self -poisoning". This form of poisoning is common among

children. Auto-intoxication is very frequent among adults, the so

called "bilious attack" being, in fact, nothing more or less than

auto-intoxication.

Auto-intoxication may arise from a large number of causes, cheif among

which may be; eating too much or hearty food; taking food too often;

improper combinations of foods; retention of food in the digestive

tract; fermention of food in the digestive tract.; enlargement of the

stomach; poor digestion; constipation; inactive kidneys and skin.

Take a cooked ham, steak or some other food stuffs, set it out on the

counter top for 3-5 days at 98 degrees, the same temperature of the

body. See for yourself what food can do inside the body if  the food

does not digest properly and move along. If the food is allowed to

undergo this kind of decomposition will give rise to poisonous gases

and organic substances. Both are absorbed from the alimentary canal,

and interfere with the delicate mechanism of the human body. Chemical

analysis has demonstrated that some of the poisons can act like the

alkaloids. For instance, one has a narcotic effect, like morphine;

another can act like atropin, another like strychnin.

Every living cell, form a germ-cell or a yeast cell to the complex

living organism, produce waste substances which are poisons, if

retained will destroy life. Every time we think a thought or move a

muscle, with every heart beat and inhalation of air, waste matter is

produced in the body. When a person is sick, these wate products are

greatly increased. 

Under normal conditions the functions of the body take care of these

poisons, and eliminate them through the liver, bowels, kidneys, lungs,

and the skin. When the equilibrium between the amount of waste formed

and the amount eliminated is disturbed, the trouble is quickly

manifested. Sometimes the process can be a gradual accumulation of

these poisons. Many persons suffer from auto-intoxication, not knowing

what is the trouble.

Proper colemas and a change in the diet can be a shortcut to the whole

situation before it manifests itself into a full blown disease.



COLONICS



Here is part of what is contained in a book  "THE GOSPLE OF PEACE" by

Edmond Bordeaux Szekely.  

"Seek therefore a large trailing gourd, having a stalk the length of a

man; take out its inwards and fill it with water from the river  which

the sun has warmed. Hang it upon a branch of a tree, and kneel upon

the ground brfore the angel of water, and suffer the end of the stalk

of the trailing gourd to enter your hinder parts, that the water that

the water may flow through all your bowels. Afterwards rest kneeling

on the ground before the angel of water and pray to the living god

that he will forgive you all your past sins, and pray the angel of

water that he will free your body from every uncleanness and disease.

Then let the water run from your body, and that it may carry away from

within it all the unclean and evil-smelling  things of satan... And

this HOLY BABTISING by the angel of water is: Rebirth unto the new

life." 

(See references for the address. Send $1.00 and $4.00 postage)

This man researched the archives in Austria many years ago before they

were guarded. Many years ago all the religious leaders were concerned

that the World may be destroyed because of a violent war. They

corresponded back and forth for some time until all the religious

leaders of every denomination agreed that there needs to be one place

where all the important scrolls of ancient, into one safe haven.

Hapsburg, Austria was the site choosen for this purpose. Today all the

scrolls are kept in a vault hidden away from the masses. Only a select

few can enter the archives today. Edmond Szekely in his day,

specialized in the Essenes. 

For more information about colonics, contact Bernard Jensen, D.C.

Nutritionist, Route 1, Box 52, Escondito, CA. 92025. Get the book

called Tissue Cleansing Through Bowel Management, and the VHS tape

(movie) about colonics. You will be glad you did. 



EAR WAX AND SINUS INFECTIONS



Using hydrogen Peroxide has helped my family for years. We pour the

Hydrogen Peroxide in each ear, and let the solution stand in the ear

2-5 minutes. We do this every couple of weeks while taking a bath or

when a cold or some illness is comming on. We then rinse out each ear

with raw (not bottled) strained lemon juice that has been sitting at

room temperature. After a few minutes, again flush with plenty of

water.  

Strain the lemon juice through a paper towel or coffee filter to get

all the pulp removed. This mildly acid solution seems to help fight

bacteria that can cause infections. 

Since the eyes, ears, nose, tonsils, etc., is all tied in,  we also

make a salt water solution as strong as we gargle with or a solution

at the rate of a tablespoon of salt to a quart of water. Put the

solution in a nose drop bottle and follow the directions on the bottle

snuffing this salt water up each nostril. If the sinus is real sore

from long standing infection,  it will really burn. If the sinus is

ok, then it burns the same as, say "jumping in a swimming pool

backwards "getting water in the nostrils.

A member of our family had a sinus infection for 30 years and used

every thing on the shelves all that time. Three applications of the

salt water in two days and two days rest from using the solution, he

claimed the infection was gone for the first time in 30 years. He

continues to use this solution every couple of weeks to keep his sinus

in check from everyday dust and bacteria that is always present in the

air and collects in the sinuses all the time. He swears by the stuff!

For the eyewash, we found our eye cup at a health food store for

around $2.00. We make up a boric acid solution using one heaping

tablespoon of boric acid to a pint of boiled water. Stirred and set

aside to cool. We also add a heaping tablespoon of chamomile flowers

to the boiled water "optional".  Boric acid is sold at many pharmacies

in 4 oz bottles costing less than a couple of dollars and it goes a

long, long way. We strain the solution through a coffee filter or

paper towels  into a bottle and leave it in the refrigerator until we

want to use it. By doubling up on the ingredients, we found the

solution can be warmed up with a little hot water on a fly without

dilluting the solution too much. We wash our eyes every time we take a

bath or when they get irritated some way.

We have been told that salt water solution in little nose drop bottles

are currently being sold for children in the pharmacy sections. Also

the Hydrogen Peroxide for the ears. We have never checked since it

came from a reliable source.

Some people, especially the elderly seem to get dizzy while doing any

of this. The equilibrium might be weakened or damaged from a long

standing condition. Capsules of ginger root is sold at health food

stores for sea sickness and jetlag, etc.. If the condition can be

restored, the Ginger root may not be necessary any more.

Caution; If you have any medical problems in this area or even simple

earaches, consult both a nutritionist and doctor before doing any of

these home remidies. 



THE WONDER OF WATER



When one observes the planet Earth, it is very apparent that this is a

water world. Approximately three-quarters of its surface is covered

with water. On Mother Earth's surface, all living things are

water-oriented. 

Each one of us before we are born spends about nine months in our

mother's womb as a "sea being animal" up until the time the water

breaks. When we are first born, 90 - 95 percent of our body is water,

and even as we mature more than two-thirds of our bodies is water. No

scientist will deny that water is essential for the growth of all

living things.





THE  HEALING CRISIS





A healing Crises is in effect when the body is in the process of

elimination. Reactions may be mild or they may be severe. One should

expect this and work toward it.

She body's inherent desire is for perfect health . We have the ability

to earn our way back so that state.

The body must so through an elimination process to achieve good

health. There will be ups and downs. One does not go immediately into

good health. This elimination process we call the "healing crisis".

A healing crisis is the result of every body system in Concert to

eliminate waste products and set the stage for regeneration. Old

tissues are replaced with new. A disease Crisis, on the other hand,

is not a natural one and works against the body ' s natural processes.

Symptoms may be identical to the disease, but there is an important

difference - elimination. A cleansing, purifying process is underway

and Stored wastes are in a free-flowing state. Sometimes pain during

the healing crisis is of greater intensityy than when building the

chronic disease. This may explain why there my be a brief flareup in

one's condition.

The Crisis will usually bring about past conditions in whatever order

the body is capable of handling at that time.

People often forget the diseases or injuries they have had in the

past, but are usually reminded during the Crisis.

Reactions could include skin eruptions, nausea, headache. sleepiness,

unusual fatigue, diarrhea, head or chest cold, ear infections, boils,

or any other way the body uses to loosen and eliminate toxins.  The

crisis usually lasts three days but if the energy of the patient is

low, it may last for a week or more.

The body needs juices  and especially water, to help carry off the

toxins.  This  is a time for rest - mental, as well as physical rest.

One crisis is not always enough for a complete cure. The Person in a

chronic state, who has gone through many disease processes in life

must go through these processes again .

Often the crisis will come after one feels their very best, setting

the stage for the elimination. The whole body must get into action.

Most people feel an energy boost the first few days. Then toxins are

dumped into the blood stream for elimination - go as slowly as your

body reeds to so your elimination is gradual and comfortable.

With a more serious condition there may be many small crises to go

through before the final one is possible. Everything must be

considered and given its proper place in the build-up to a healing

crisis. One should expect it and work toward it.

 



HOW TO SELECT FRESH FRUITS AND VEGETABLES:



Apples



The many varieties of apples differ widely in appearance, flesh

characteristics, seasonal availability, and suitability for different

uses.



For good eating as fresh fruit, the commonly available varieties are:

Red Delicious, McIntosh, Granny Smith, Empire, and Golden Delicious.

For making pies and applesauce, use tart or slightly acid varieties

such as Gravenstein, Grimes Golden, Jonathan, and Newtown.



For baking, the firmer fleshed varieties--Rome Beauty, Northern Spy,

Rhode Island Greening, Winesap, and York Imperial--are widely used.



Look for: Firm, crisp, well-colored apples. Flavor varies in apples,

and depends on the stage of maturity at the time that the fruit is

picked. Apples must be mature when picked to have a good flavor,

texture, and storing ability. Immature apples lack color and are

usually poor in flavor. They may have a shriveled appearance after

being held in storage.



Most apples are marketed by grade, and consumer packages show the

variety, the grade, and the size. U.S. grades for apples are: U.S.

Extra Fancy, U.S. Fancy, U.S. No. 1, and combinations of these grades.

U.S. Utility is a less desirable grade. Apples from the far Western

States are usually marketed under State grades which are similar to

the U.S. grades.



Avoid: Overripe apples (indicated by a yielding to slight pressure on

the skin, and soft, mealy flesh) and apples affected by freeze

(indicated by internal breakdown and bruised areas). Scald on apples

(irregularly shaped tan or brown areas) may not seriously affect the

taste.



Generally, look for a rich deep coloring, especially around the stem.

The darker the better instead of just green. Delicious apples that

have optimum ripeness and sweetness usually have some brown lines and

speckled skin. Consider the New Zealand Gala, Fuji, and Barbarian for

the best quality.



Apricots



Most fresh apricots are marketed in June and July, but a limited

supply of imported apricots is available in large cities during

December and January. Domestic apricots are grown principally in

California, Washington, and Utah.



Apricots develop their flavor and sweetness on the tree, and should be

mature but firm at the time that they are picked.



 Look for: Apricots that are plump and juicy looking, with a uniform,

golden-orange color. Ripe apricots will yield to gentle pressure on

the skin.



Avoid: Dull-looking, soft, or mushy fruit, and very firm, pale yellow,

or greenish-yellow fruit. These indicate overmaturity or immaturity,

respectively.



Avocados



Avocados, grown in California and Florida, are available all year. Two

general types, and a number of varieties of each, are grown. Depending

upon type and variety, avocados vary greatly in shape, size, and

color. Most tend to be pear-shaped, but some are almost spherical.

Fruits weighing under 1/2 pound are most commonly available. Some have

rough or leathery textured skin, while others have smooth skin. The

skin color of most varieties is some shade of green, but certain

varieties turn maroon, brown, or purplish-black as they ripen.



Despite this variation in appearance, avocados are of good eating

quality when they are properly ripened, becoming slightly soft. This

ripening process normally takes from 3 to 5 days at room temperature

for the quite firm avocados usually found in food stores. Ripening can

be slowed by refrigeration.



Look for: For immediate use, select slightly soft avocados which yield

to gentle pressure on the skin. For use in a few days, buy firm fruits

that do not yield to the squeeze test. Leave them at room temperature

to ripen.



Irregular light-brown markings are sometimes found on the outside

skin. These markings generally have no effect on the flesh of the

avocado.



 Avoid: Avocados with dark sunken spots in irregular patches or

cracked or broken surfaces. These are signs of decay.



An extra tip: When preparing avocados, to avoid the browning of

avocado flesh when exposed to air, immediately place the peeled fruit

in lemon juice until ready for use.



Bananas



Unlike most other fruits, bananas develop their best eating quality

after they are harvested. This allows bananas to be shipped great

distances. Almost our entire supply of bananas, available year-round,

is imported from Central and South America. Bananas are sensitive to

cool temperatures and will be injured in temperatures below 55 F. For

this reason, they should never be kept in the refrigerator. The ideal

temperature for ripening bananas is between 60 and 70 F. Higher

temperatures cause them to ripen too rapidly.



Look for: Bananas which are short and firm because these tend to ripen

the best. Rarely do green bananas ripen well at home. Look for a nice

yellow  color from end to end, bright in appearance, and free from

bruises or other injury. The state of ripeness is indicated by skin

color. Best eating quality has been reached when the solid yellow

color is specked with brown. At this stage, the flesh is mellow and

the flavor is fully developed. Bananas with green tips or with

practically no yellow color have not developed their full flavor

potential. A banana that turns a solid brown color without speckling

should be avoided.



Avoid: Bruised fruit (indicating rapid deterioration and waste);

discolored skins (a sign of decay); a dull, grayish, aged appearance

(showing that the bananas have been exposed to cold and will not ripen

properly).



Blueberries



Fresh blueberries are on the market from May through September.

Generally, the large berries are cultivated varieties and the smaller

berries are wild varieties.



Look for: A dark blue color with a silvery bloom is the best

indication of quality. This silvery bloom is a natural, protective,

waxy coating. Buy blueberries that are plump, firm, uniform in size,

dry, and free from stems or leaves.



Avoid: Soft, mushy, or leaking berries.



Cherries



Excellent as dessert fruit, most sweet cherries found in the food

store are produced in the Western States and are available from May

through August. Red tart cherries, also called sour or pie cherries

and used mainly in cooked desserts, have a softer flesh, lighter red

color, and a tan flavor. They generally are shipped to processing

plants and are sold frozen or canned.



Look for: A very dark color is your most important indication of good

flavor and maturity in sweet cherries. Bing, Black Tartarian, Schmidt,

Chapman, and Republican varieties should range from deep maroon or

mahogany red to black for richest flavor. Lambert cherries should be

dark red. Rainier cherries should be straw-colored. Good cherries have

bright, glossy, plump-looking surfaces and fresh-looking stems.



Avoid: Overmature cherries lacking in flavor, indicated by

shrivelling, dried stems, and a generally dull appearance. Decay is

fairly common at times on sweet cherries, but because of the normal

dark color, decayed areas are often inconspicuous. Soft, leaking

flesh, brown discoloration, and mold growth are indications of decay.



Cranberries



A number of varieties of fresh cranberries are marketed in large

volume from September through January. They differ considerably in

size and color, but are not identified by variety names in your food

store.



Look for: Plump, firm berries with a lustrous color provide the best

quality. Duller varieties should at least have some red color.



Avoid: Brown or dark, discolored berries and soft, spongy, or leaky

berries should be sorted out before cooking, because they may produce

an off-flavor.



Grapefruit



Grapefruit is available all year, with most abundant supplies from

January through May. While Florida is the major source of fresh

grapefruit, there also is substantial production in Texas, California,

and Arizona. Several varieties are marketed, but the principal

distinction at retail is between those which are "seedless" (having

few or no seeds) and the "seeded" type. Another distinction is color

of flesh. Pink- or red-fleshed fruit is most common, but white-fleshed

varieties are also available.



Grapefruit is picked "tree ripe" and is ready to eat when you buy it

in the store.



Look for: Firm fruits, heavy for their size, are usually the best

eating. Thin-skinned fruits have more juice than coarse-skinned ones.

If a grapefruit is pointed at the stem end, it is likely to be

thick-skinned. Rough, ridged, or wrinkled skin can also be an

indication of thick skin, pulpiness, and lack of juice.



Grapefruit often have skin defects such as scale, scars, thorn

scratches, or discoloration. This usually does not affect how the

fruit tastes.



Avoid: Soft, water-soaked areas, lack of bright color, and soft,

tender peel that breaks easily with finger pressure are symptoms of

decay.



Grapes



Most table grapes available in food stores are of the European type,

grown principally in California and Arizona. Only small quantities of

Eastern-grown American-type grapes are sold for table use.



European types are firm-fleshed and generally have high sugar content.

Common varieties are Thompson seedless (an early, green grape), Red

seedless (an early, red grape), Tokay and Cardinal (early, bright-red,

seeded grapes), and Emperor (late, deep-red, seeded grapes). These all

have excellent flavor when well-matured.



American-type grapes have softer flesh and are juicier than European

types. The outstanding variety for flavor is the Concord, which is

blue-black when fully matured. Delaware and Catawba are also popular.



Look for: Well-colored, plump grapes that are firmly attached to the

stem. White or green grapes have the highest sugar content when the

color has a yellowish cast or straw color, with a tinge of amber. Red

varieties are better when good red predominates on all or most of the

berries. Bunches are more likely to hold together if the stems are

predominantly green and pliable. The red seedless varietys have good

keeping qualities. Black seedless grapes have tough skins but have a

bold flavor. Smaller grapes are usually better than the larger ones.



Avoid: Soft or wrinkled grapes, or bunches of grapes with stems that

are brown and brittle; these are the effects of freezing or drying.

Also avoid grapes with bleached areas around the stem ends (indicating

injury and poor quality), and leaking berries (a sign of decay).



Kiwifruit



The kiwifruit is a relatively small, ellipsoid-shaped fruit with a

bright green, slightly acid-tasting pulp surrounding many small,

black, edible seeds, which in turn surround a pale heart. The exterior

of the kiwi-fruit is unappealing to some, being somewhat "furry" and

light to medium brown in color. (While the furry skin is edible, some

prefer to peel the fruit before eating.) Domestic kiwifruit is

produced primarily in California, but imported kiwifruit is also

commonly marketed.



Look for: Plump, unwrinkled fruit, either firm or slightly yielding.

Kiwifruit is fully ripe when it is yielding to the touch but not soft.

Firm kiwifruit can be ripened at home in a few days by leaving it at

room temperature. Use of a ripening bag or bowl will speed the

process.



Avoid: Fruit that shows signs of shriveling, mold, or excessive

softening, all of which indicate spoilage. Some kiwifruit may appear

to have a "water-stained" exterior. This is perfectly normal for the

fruit and does not affect interior quality in any way.



Note: Kiwifruit contains an enzyme, actinidin, similar to papain in

papayas, that reacts chemically to break down proteins. (It has been

used as a "secret ingredient" to tenderize meat.) Actinidin prevents

gelatin from setting, so if you are going to serve kiwifruit in a

gelatin dish, cook the fruit for a few minutes before adding it to the

gelatin.



Lemons



Most of the Nation's commercial lemon supply comes from California and

Arizona, and is available year-round.



Look for: Lemons with a rich yellow color, reasonably smooth-textured

skin with a slight gloss, and those which are firm and heavy. A pale

or greenish-yellow color means very fresh fruit with slightly higher

acidity. Coarse or rough skin texture is a sign of thick skin and not

much flesh.



Avoid: Lemons with a darker yellow or dull color, or with hardened or

shriveled skin (signs of age), and those with soft spots, mold on the

surface, and punctures of the skin (signs of decay).



Limes



Most limes sold at retail are produced in Florida or imported from

Mexico, and are marketed when mature. Imported limes are mostly the

smaller "seeded" lime.



Look for: Limes with glossy skin and heavy weight for the size.



Avoid: Limes with dull, dry skin (a sign of aging and loss of acid

flavor), and those showing evidence of decay (soft spots, mold, and

skin punctures.)



Mangos



Look for multicolor mangos as these are the best ones. The round ones

are usually better than the  long ones. If the mango is very aromatic,

it is ready to eat. They should be soft to the touch but  not mushy.	



Melons



Selection of melons for quality and flavor is difficult, challenging

the skill of even the most experienced buyer. Although no absolute

formula exists, considering several factors when judging a melon will

increase the likelihood of success.



Cantaloupe (Muskmelons)



Cantaloupe, generally available from May through September, are

produced principally in California, Arizona, and Texas. Some are also

imported early in the season.



Look for:  First, the stem should be gone, leaving a smooth

symmetrical, shallow base called a "full slip." If all or part of the

stem base remains, or if the stem scar is jagged or tom, the melon is

probably not fully matured. Second, the netting, or veining, should be

thick, coarse, and corky, and should stand out in bold relief over

some part of the surface. Third, the skin color (ground color) between

the netting should have changed from green to yellowish-buff,

yellowish-gray, or pale yellow to a golden tan. Fourth, the ripe

cantaloupe will smell very pleasant.



Signs of ripeness: A cantaloupe might be mature, but not ripe. A ripe

cantaloupe will have a yellowish cast to the find, have a pleasant

cantaloupe aroma, and yield slightly to light thumb pressure on the

blossom end of the melon.



Most cantaloupe are quite firm when freshly displayed in retail

stores. While some may be ripe, most have not yet reached their best

eating stage. Hold them for 2 to 4 days at room temperature to allow

completion of ripening. After conditioning the melons, some people

like to place them in the refrigerator for a few hours before serving.

Do not purchase them while they are green because they do not ripen

properly off the vine. Check the opposite end of the stem, if  you can

feel the softness when pushing softly, it is ready to eat.



Avoid: Overripeness is indicated by a pronounced yellow rind color, a

softening over the entire find, and soft, watery, and insipid flesh.

Small braises normally will not hurt the fruit, but large bruised

areas should be avoided, since they generally cause soft, water-soaked

areas underneath the find. Mold growth on the cantaloupe (particularly

in the stem-scar, or if the tissue under the mold is soft and wet) is

a sign of decay.



Casaba



This sweet, juicy melon is normally pumpkin-shaped with a very slight

tendency to be pointed at the stem end. It is not netted, but has

shallow, irregular furrows running from the stem end toward the

blossom end. The rind is hard with light green or yellow color. The

stem does not separate from the melon, and must be cut in harvesting.

The casaba melon season is from July to November. Casabas are produced

in California and Arizona.



Look for: Ripe melons with a gold-yellow rind color and a slight

softening at the blossom end. Casabas have no aroma.



Avoid: Dark, sunken, water-soaked spots which indicate decay.



Crenshaw



Its large size and distinctive shape make this melon easy to identify.

It is rounded at the blossom end and tends to be pointed at the stem

end. The rind is relatively smooth with only very shallow lengthwise

furrowing. The flesh is pale orange, juicy, and delicious; and

generally considered outstanding in the melon family. Crenshaws are

grown in California from July through October, with peak shipments in

August and September.



Look for: There are three signs of ripeness. First, the rind should be

generally a deep golden yellow, sometimes with small areas having a

lighter shade of yellow. Second, the surface should yield slightly to

moderate pressure, particularly at the blossom end. Third, the melon

should have a pleasant aroma.



Avoid: Slightly sunken, water-soaked areas on the rind are signs of

decay.



Honey Ball



The honey ball melon is very similar to the honey dew melon, except

that it is much smaller, very round, and slightly and irregularly

netted over the surface. Use the same buying tips for this melon as

for the honey dew melon.



Honey Dew



The outstanding flavor characteristics of honey dews make them highly

prized as a dessert fruit. The melon is large (4 to 8 lb.), bluntly

oval in shape, and generally very smooth with only occasional traces

of surface netting. The rind is firm and ranges from creamy white to

creamy yellow, depending on the stage of ripeness. The stem does not

separate from the fruit, and must be cut for harvesting.



Honey dews are available to some extent almost all year round, due in

pan to imports during the winter and spring. Chief sources, however,

are California, Arizona, and Texas. The most abundant supplies are

available from July through October.



Look for: A soft, velvety texture indicates maturity. Slight softening

at the blossom end, a faint pleasant fruit aroma, and yellowish-white

to creamy rind color indicate ripeness.



Avoid: Dead-white or greenish-white color and a hard, smooth feel are

signs of immaturity. Large, water-soaked, braised areas are signs of

injury; and cuts or punctures through the rind usually lead to decay.

Small, superficial, sunken spots do not damage the melon for immediate

use, but large decayed spots will.



Persian



Persian melons resemble cantaloupe, but are more nearly round, have

finer netting, and are about the same size as honey dews. The flesh is

thick, fine-textured, and orange-colored. Grown primarily in

California, they are available in fair supply in August and September.



Look for: The same quality and ripeness factors listed for cantaloupe

apply to Persian melons.





END OF PART 2







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: FREE BOOK/PT.3

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:15:34 GMT



Beginning of Part 3



Watermelons



Although watermelons are available to some degree from early May

through September, peak supplies come in June, July, and August.

Judging the quality of a watermelon is very difficult unless it is cut

in half or quartered.



Look for: Firm, juicy flesh with good red color that is free from

white streaks; and seeds which are dark brown or black. Seedless

watermelons often contain small white, immature seeds, which are

normal for this type.



Avoid: Melons with pale-colored flesh, white streaks (or "white

heart"), and whitish seeds (indicating immaturity). Dry, mealy flesh,

or watery stringy flesh are signs of overmaturity or aging after

harvest.



If you want to buy an uncut watermelon, here are a few appearance

factors which may be helpful (though not totally reliable) in guiding

you to a satisfactory selection. The watermelon surface should be

relatively smooth; the rind should have a slight dullness (neither

shiny nor dull); the ends of the melon should be filled out and

rounded; and the underside, or "belly" of the melon should have a

creamy or yellowish color, not white. The stem should be brown and

shriveled instead of wet and green. A ripe watermellon thumps with a

hollow sound. An unripe watermelon has a very high pitch sound as

compared with the hollow sound of the ripe watermalon. If it is

overripe, thumping will an uninteresting dull sound.



Nectarines



     This fruit, available from June through September from

California, combines characteristics of both the peach and the plum.



Look for: Rich color and plumpness, and a slight softening along the

"seam" of the nectarine. Most varieties have an orange-yellow

background color between the red areas, but some varieties have a

greenish background color. Bright-looking fruits which are firm to

moderately hard will probably ripen normally within 2 or 3 days at

room temperature.



Avoid: Hard, dull fruits or slightly shriveled fruits (which may be

immature--picked too soon--and of poor eating quality) and soft or

overripe fruits or those with cracked or punctured skin or other signs

of decay.



Russeting or staining of the skin may affect the appearance but not

detract from the internal quality of the nectarine.



Oranges



California, Florida, Texas, and Arizona produce our year-round supply

of oranges.



Leading varieties from California and Arizona are the Washington Navel

and the Valencia, both characterized by a rich orange skin color. The

Navel orange, available from November until early May, has a thicker,

somewhat more pebbled skin than the Valencia; the skin is more easily

removed by hand, and the segments separate more readily. It is ideally

suited for eating as a whole fruit or in segments in saladS. The

western Valencia orange, available from late April through October, is

excellent either for juicing or for slicing in salads.



Florida and Texas orange crops are marketed from early October until

late June. Parson Brown and Hamlin are early varieties, while the

Pineapple orange an important, high-quality orange for eating is

available from late November through March. Florida and Texas

Valencias are marketed from late March through June. The Florida

Temple orange is available from early December until early March.

Somewhat like the California Navel, it peels easily, separates into

segments readily, and has excellent flavor.



Oranges are required by strict State regulations to be mature before

being harvested and shipped out of the producing State. Thus, skin

color is not a reliable index of quality, and a greenish cast or green

spots do not mean that the orange is immature. Often fully matured

oranges will turn greenish (called "regreening") late in the marketing

season. Some oranges are artificially colored to improve their

appearance. This practice has no effect on eating quality, but

artificially colored fruits must be labeled "color added."



"Discoloration" is often found on Florida and Texas oranges, but not

on California oranges. This is a tan, brown, or blackish mottling or

specking over the skin. It has no effect on eating quality, and in

fact often occurs on oranges with thin skin and superior eating

quality.



Look for: Firm and heavy oranges with fresh, bright-looking skin which

is reasonably smooth for the variety.



Avoid: Light-weight oranges, which are likely to lack flesh content

and juice. Very rough skin texture indicates abnormally thick skin and

less flesh. Dull, dry skin and spongy texture indicate aging and

deteriorated eating quality. Also avoid decay shown by cuts or skin

punctures, soft spots on the surface, and discolored, weakened areas

of skin around the stem end or button.



Peaches



Hard peaches are hard to ripen at home. Look for peaches that are

already ripe with a "blush" to them. They should be solid but soft

under a little pressure. The nectarines and apricots fall under this

same category as peaches.



Pears

     

Look for: Firm pears of all varieties. The color depends on variety.

For Bartletts, look for a pale yellow to rich yellow color; Anjou or

Comice--light green to yellowish-green; Bosc--greenish-yellow to

brownish-yellow (the brown cast is caused by skin russeting, a

characteristic of the Bosc pear); Winter Nellis--medium to light

green.



Pears which are hard when you find them in the food store will

probably ripen if kept at room temperature. This is because pears tend

to ripen better off the tree but it is wise to select pears that have

already begun to soften to be reasonably sure that they will ripen

satisfactorily. Summer pears will soften all over while winter pears

stay firm. Royal Rivieras also called Comice pears are far best of

them all. Then Bartletts, are very popular.

Avoid: Wilted or shriveled pears with dull-appearing skin and slight

weakening of the flesh near the stem, which indicates immaturity.

These pears will not ripen. Also avoid spots on the sides or blossom

ends of the pear, which means that corky tissue may be underneath..



Pineapples



Pineapples are available all year, but are most abundant from March

through June. Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and Mexico are principal suppliers.

The ones from Maui, Hawaii are the best. Present marketing practices,

including air shipments, allow pineapples to be harvested as nearly

ripe as possible. They are delivered to market near the peak of

sweetness, with color ranging from green to orange and yellow. A

mature green pineapple will normally turn yellow to orange

within a few days at room temperature, but many are already fully

colored when you find them in the food store. Store them in the window

seal upside down. The best part of the pineapple is in the bottom

half. This will allow for even ripening.



Look for: Bright color, fragrant pineapple aroma, and a very slight

separation of the eyes or pips--the berry-like fruitlets patterned in

a spiral on the fruit core. At their mature stage, pineapples are

usually dark green, firm, plump, and heavy for their size, golden from

top to bottom. and very fragrant. The larger the fruit, the greater

the proportion of edible flesh. As the popular varieties ripen, the

green color turns to orange and yellow. When fully colored, pineapples

are golden yellow, orange-yellow, or reddish brown, depending on the

variety. The test for ripeness at the market is to simply pull out the

very center of the crown. Hold back the larger of the crown to get at

the smaller leaves. They should not be hard to pull out or simply fall

out. Instead in between. A nice easy snap will be the ones ready to

eat.



Avoid: Pineapples with sunken or slightly pointed pips, dull

yellowish-green color, and dried appearance--all signs of immaturity.

Also avoid braised fruit, shown by discolored or soft spots, which are

susceptible to decay. Other signs of decay are traces of mold,

unpleasant odor, and eyes which are dark and watery.



Plums and Prunes



Quality characteristics for both are very similar, and the same buying

tips apply to both.



Plums--A number of varieties of plums are produced in California and

are available from June to September. Varieties differ slightly in

appearance and flavor, so you should buy and taste one to see if that

variety appeals to you.



     Prunes--Only a few varieties of prunes are commonly marketed, and

they are all very similar. Prunes are purplish-black or bluish-black,

with a moderately firm flesh which separates freely from the pit. Most

commercial production is in the Northwestern States. Fresh prunes are

available in food stores from August through October.



Look for: Plums and prunes with a good color for the variety, in a

fairly firm to slightly soft stage of ripeness.



Avoid: Fruits with skin breaks, punctures, or brownish discoloration.

Also avoid immature fruits (relatively hard, poorly colored, very

tart, sometimes shriveled) and overmature fruits (excessively soft,

possibly leaking or decaying).



Raspberries, Boysenberries, etc.



Blackberries, raspberries, dewberries, loganberries, and youngberries

are similar in general structure. They differ from one another in

shape or color, but quality factors are about the same for all.



Look for: A bright, clean appearance and a uniform good color for the

species. The individual small cells making up the berry should be

plump and tender but not mushy. Look for berries that are fully

ripened, with no attached stem caps.



Avoid: Leaky and moldy berries. You can usually spot them through the

openings in the ventilated plastic containers. Also look for wet or

stained spots on wood or fiber containers, as possible signs of poor

quality or spoiled berries.



Strawberries



First shipments of strawberries come from southern Florida in January,

and then production increases, gradually spreading north and west into

many pans of the country before tapering off in the fall. Strawberries

are in best supply in May and June.



Look for: Berries with a full red color and a bright luster, firm

flesh, and the cap stem still attached. The berries should be dry and

clean, and usually medium to small strawberries have better eating

quality than large ones.



Avoid: Berries with large uncolored areas or with large seedy areas

(poor in flavor and texture), a full shrunken appearance or softness

(signs of overripeness or decay), or those with mold, which can spread

rapidly from one berry to another.



Note: In most containers of strawberries you will likely find a few

that are less desirable than others. Try to look at some of berries

lower in the container to be sure that they are reasonably free from

defects or decay.



Tangerines



Florida is the chief source of tangerines. Considerable quantities of

tangerines and similar types of oranges are produced in California and

Arizona, some in Texas, and few are imported. Tangerines are available

from late November until early March, with peak supplies in December

and January. The Murcott, a large, excellent variety of orange

resembling the tangerine, is available from late February through

April.



Look for: Deep yellow or orange color and a bright luster is your best

sign of fresh, mature, good-flavored tangerines. Because of the

typically loose nature of tangerine skins, they will frequently not

feel firm to the touch.



Avoid: Very pale yellow or greenish fruits, which are likely to be

lacking in flavor (although small green areas on otherwise

high-colored fruit are not bad), and tangerines with cut or punctured

skins or very soft spots (all signs of decay, which spreads rapidly).



VEGATABLES





Artichokes



The globe artichoke is the large, unopened flower bud of a plant

belonging to the thistle family. The many leaf-like parts making up

the bud are called "scales." Produced domestically only in

California, the peak of the crop comes in April and May.



 Look for: Plump, globular artichokes that are heavy in relation to

size, and compact with thick, green, fresh-looking scales. Size is not

important with respect to quality.



Avoid: Artichokes with large areas of brown on the scales and with

spreading scales (a sign of age, indicating drying and toughening of

the edible portions), grayish-black discoloration (caused by braises),

mold growth on the scales, and worm injury.



Asparagus



 California, New Jersey, Washington, and Michigan are the chief

sources of domestically grown asparagus.



Look for: Closed, compact tips; smooth, round spears; and a fresh

appearance. A rich green color should cover most of the spear. Stalks

should be almost as far down as the green extends.



Avoid: Tips that are open and spread out, moldy or decayed tips, or

ribbed spears (spears with up-and-down ridges or that are not

approximately round). Those are all signs of aging, and indicate tough

asparagus and poor flavor. Also avoid excessively sandy asparagus,

because sand grains can lodge beneath the scales or in the tips of the

spears and are difficult to remove in washing.



Beans (Snap)



Snap beans, produced commercially in many States, are available

throughout the year. Most beans found in the food store will be the

common green podded varieties, but large green pole beans and yellow

wax beans are occasionally available.



 Look for: A fresh, bright appearance with good color for the variety.

Get young, tender beans with pods in a firm, crisp condition.



 Avoid: Wilted or flabby bean pods, serious blemishes, and decay.

Thick, tough, fibrous pods indicate overmaturity.



Beets



Beets, available year-round, are grown in most parts of the Nation.

Many beets are sold in bunches with the tops still attached, while

others are sold with the tops removed.



 Look for: Beets that are firm, round, with a slender tap root (the

large main root), a rich, deep red color, and smooth over most of the

surface. If beets are bunched, you can judge their freshness fairly

accurately by the condition of the tops. Badly wilted or decayed tops

indicate a lack of freshness, but the roots may be satisfactory if

they are firm.



Avoid: Elongated beets with round, scaly areas around the top surface

these will be tough, fibrous, and strong-flavored. Also      avoid

wilted, flabby beets--they have been exposed to the air too long.



Broccoli



A member of the cabbage family, and a close relative of cauliflower,

broccoli is available throughout the year.



California is the heaviest producer, although other States also

produce large amounts of broccoli.



Look for: A firm, crisp wide head. The buds should be tight and dense.

Bud clusters should be dark green or sage green or even green with a

decidedly purplish cast. Stems should not be too thick or too tough.

The greener the better. The whole plant should be eaten because of the

high nutrition.



Avoid: Broccoli with spread bud clusters, enlarged or open buds,

yellowish-green color, or wilted condition, which are all signs of

overmaturity. Also avoid broccoli with soft, slippery, water-soaked

spots on the bud cluster. These are signs of decay.



Brussels Sprouts



Another close relative of the cabbage, Brussels sprouts develop as

enlarged buds on a tall stem, one sprout appearing where each main

leaf is attached. The "sprouts" are cut off and, in most cases, are

packed in small consumer containers, although some are packed loose,

in bulk. Although they are often available about 10 months of the

year, peak supplies appear from October through December.



 Look for: A fresh, bright-green color, tight fitting outer leaves,

firm body, and freedom from blemishes.



 Avoid: Elongated beets with round, scaly areas around the top surface

these will be tough, fibrous, and strong-flavored. Also      avoid

wilted, flabby beets they have been exposed to the air too long.



Cabbage



Three major groups of cabbage varieties are available: smooth-leaved

green cabbage; crinkly-leaved green Savoy cabbage; and red cabbage.

All types are suitable for any use, although the

Savoy and red varieties are more in demand for use in slaw and salads.



Cabbage may be sold fresh (called "new" cabbage) or from storage.

Cabbage is available throughout the year, since it is grown in many

States. California, Florida, and Texas market most new cabbage. Many

Northern States grow cabbage for late summer and fall shipment

or to be held in storage for winter sale.



Look for: Firm or hard heads of cabbage that are heavy for their size.

Outer leaves should be a good green or red color (depending on type),

reasonably fresh, and free from serious blemishes. The outer leaves

(called "wrapper" leaves) fit loosely on the head and are usually

discarded, but too many loose wrapper leaves on a head cause extra

waste.



 Some early-crop cabbage may be soft or only fairly firm, but is

suitable for immediate use if the leaves are fresh and crisp. Cabbage

out of storage is usually trimmed of all outer leaves and      lacks

green color, but is satisfactory if not wilted or discolored.



Avoid: New cabbage with wilted or decayed outer leaves or with leaves

turned decidedly yellow. Worm-eaten outer leaves often indicate that

the worm injury penetrates into the head.



Storage cabbage with badly discolored, dried, or decayed outer leaves

probably is over-aged. Separation of the stems of leaves from the

central stem at the base of the head also indicates

     over-age.



Carrots



Freshly harvested carrots are available year round. Most are marketed

when relatively young, tender, well-colored, and mild-flavored an

ideal stage for use as raw carrot sticks. Larger      carrots are

packed separately and used primarily for cooking, shredding and

juicing. For salads, etc., the smaller tender ones are the choice.

California and Texas market most domestic carrots, but many other

States also produce large quantities. The choice is the California

carrots because the tend to be the sweetest and least bitter. Then

Colorado, Texas, Arizona, and Mexico in that order. 



     Look for: Carrots which are well formed, smooth, well colored,

and firm. If tops are attached, they should be fresh and of a good

green color.



Avoid: Roots with large green "sunburned" areas at the top (which must

be trimmed) and roots which are flabby from wilting or show spots of

soft rot.



Cauliflower



Although most abundant from September through January, cauliflower is

available during every month of the year. California, New York, and

Florida are major sources.. The white edible portion is called "the

curd" and the heavy outer leaf coveting is called "the jacket leaves."

Cauliflower is generally sold with most of the jacket leaves removed,

and is wrapped in plastic film.



Look for: White to creamy-white, compact, solid, and clean curds. A

slightly granular or "ricey" texture of the curd will not hurt the

eating quality if the surface is compact. Ignore small green leaflets

extending through the curd. If jacket leaves are attached, a good

green color is a sign of freshness.



Avoid: A spreading of the curd--a sign of aging or overmaturity. Also

avoid severe wilting or discolored spots on the curd. A smudgy or

speckled appearance of the curd is a sign of insect injury, mold

growth, or decay, and should be avoided.



Celery



Celery, a popular vegetable for a variety of uses, is available

throughout the year. Production is concentrated in California,

Florida, Michigan, and New York. Most celery is of the so-called

"Pascal" type, which includes thick-branched, green varieties.



Look for: Freshness and crispness in celery. The stalk should have a

solid, rigid feel and leaflets should be fresh or only slightly

wilted. Also look for a glossy surface, stalks of light green or

medium green, and mostly green leaflets. Stalks that are thick, stout

and succulent are less stringy. Look for celery that is not too green

as it can be bitter. Not green enough and it has less food value. Keep

celery in air tight bags or containers as they can last about two

weeks this way. Otherwise they tend to become limp on the counter top

exposed to air.



Avoid: Wilted celery and celery with flabby upper branches or leaf

stems. You can freshen celery somewhat by placing the butt end in

water, but badly wilted celery will never become really fresh

again.



Celery with pithy, hollow, or discolored centers in the branches also

should be avoided. Celery with internal discoloration will show some

gray or brown on the inside surface of the larger      branches near

where they are attached to the base of the stalk.



Also avoid celery with blackheart, a brown or black discoloration of

the small center branches; insect injury in the center branches or the

insides of outer branches; and long, thick seed stems in

place of the usually small, tender heart branches.



Chard (See Greens)



Chinese Cabbage



Primarily a salad vegetable, Chinese cabbage plants are elongated,

with some varieties developing a firm head and others an open, leafy

form.



Look for: Fresh, crisp, green plants that are free from blemishes or

decay.



Avoid: Wilted or yellowed plants. Chicory, Endives, Escarole. These

vegetables, used mainly in  salads, are available practically all year

round-but primarily in the winter and spring. Chicory or     endive

has narrow, notched edges, and crinkly leaves resembling the dandelion

leaf. Chicory plants often have "blanched" yellowish leaves in the

center which are preferred by many people. Escarole leaves are much

broader and less crinkly than those of chicory.



 Look for: Freshness, crispness, tenderness, and a good green color of

the outer leaves.



 Avoid: Plants with leaves which have brownish or yellowish

discoloration or which have insect injury.



 Note: Witloof or Belgian endive is a compact, cigar-shaped plant

which is creamy white from blanching. The small shoots are kept from

becoming green by being grown in complete darkness.



Collards (See Greens)



Corn



Sweet corn is available practically every month of the year, but is

most plentiful in early may until mid-September. Yellow-kernel corn is

the most popular, but some white-kernel and mixed-color corn is sold.

Sweet corn is produced in a large number of States during the spring

and summer, but most mid-winter supplies come from south Florida.



For best quality, corn should be refrigerated immediately after being

picked. Corn will retain fairly good quality for a number of days, if

it has been kept cold and moist since harvesting.      Therefore, it

should be refrigerated as soon as possible and kept moist until used.



Look for: Fresh, succulent husks with good green color, silk-ends that

are free from decay or worm injury, and stem ends (opposite from the

silk) that are not too discolored or dried.



Select ears that are well-covered with plump, not-too-mature kernels.

Sweet corn is sometimes sold husked in overwrapped film trays.



Avoid: Ears with under-developed kernels which lack yellow color (in

yellow corn), old ears with very large kernels, and ears with dark

yellow or dried kernels with depressed areas on the outer surface.

Also avoid ears of corn with yellowed, wilted, or dried husks, or

discolored and dried-out stem ends.



Cucumbers



Although cucumbers are produced at various times of the year in many

States, and imported during the colder months, the supply is most

plentiful in the summer months.



Look for: Cucumbers with good green color that are firm over their

entire length. They should be well developed, but not too large in

diameter. Look for the smaller knobby ones for the best flavor.



 Avoid: Overgrown cucumbers that are large in diameter and have a dull

color, turning yellowish. Also avoid cucumbers with withered or

shriveled ends-signs of toughness and bitter flavor.



Eggplants



Eggplant is most plentiful during late summer, but is available all

year. Although the purple eggplant is more common, white eggplant is

occasionally seen in the marketplace.



Look for: Firm, heavy, smooth, and uniformly dark purple eggplants.



 Avoid: Those which are poorly colored, soft, shriveled, cut, or which

show decay in the form of irregular dark-brown spots.



Endive, Escarole (See Chicory)



Greens



 A large number of widely differing species of plants are grown for

use as "greens." The better known kinds are spinach, kale, collard,

turnip, beet, chard, mustard, broccoli leaves, chicory, endive,

escarole, dandelion, cress, and sorrel. Many others, some of them

wild, are also used to a limited extent as greens.



Look for:  Leaves that are fresh, young, tender, free from defects,

and that have a good, healthy, green color. Beet tops and red chard

show reddish color.



Avoid: Leaves with coarse, fibrous stems, yellowish-green color,

softness (a sign of decay), or a wilted condition. Also avoid greens

with evidence of insects--especially aphids--which are sometimes hard

to see and equally hard to wash away.



Kale (See Greens)



Lettuce



 Among the leading U.S. vegetables, lettuce owes its prominence to the

growing popularity of salads in our diets. It's available  throughout

the year in various seasons from California, Arizona,

Florida, New York, New Jersey, and other States. Four types of lettuce

are generally sold: iceberg, butter-head, Romaine, and leaf. Romaine

is the king of lettuces.



Iceberg lettuce is the major type. Heads are large, round, and solid,

with medium-green outer leaves and lighter green or pale-green inner

leaves.



Butter-head lettuce, including the Big Boston and Bibb varieties, has

a smaller head than iceberg. This type will have soft, succulent

light-green leaves in a rosette pattern in the center.



Romaine lettuce plants are tall and cylindrical with crisp, dark-green

leaves in a loosely folded head.



Leaf lettuce includes many varieties--none with a compact head. Leaves

are broad, tender, succulent, and fairly smooth, and they vary in

color according to variety.



Look for: Signs of freshness in lettuce. For iceberg lettuce and

Romaine, the leaves should be crisp. Other lettuce types will have a

softer texture, but leaves should not be wilted. Look for a good,

bright color in most varieties, medium to light green. The greaner the

lettuce the more food value it has. Some varieties have red leaves.



Avoid: Heads of iceberg type which are very hard and which lack green

color (signs of overmaturity). Such heads sometimes develop

discoloration of the inner leaves and midribs, and may have a less

desirable flavor. Also avoid heads with irregular shapes and hard

bumps on top, which indicate the presence of overgrown central stems.

Also avoid heads that are waterlogged



Check the lettuce for tip bum, a tan or brown area around the margins

of the leaves. Look for tip bum of the edges of the head leaves.

Slight discoloration of the outer or wrapper leaves will      usually

not hurt the quality of the lettuce, but serious discoloration or

decay definitely should be avoided. Look for head lettuce that is

crisp, dense and heavy.



Mushrooms



Grown in houses, cellars, or caves, mushrooms are available year-round

in varying amounts. Most come from Pennsylvania, but many are produced

in California, New York, Ohio, and other States.



We usually describe mushrooms as having a cap (the wide portion on

top), gills (the numerous rows of paper-thin tissue seen underneath

the cap when it opens), and a stem.



Look for: Young mushrooms that are small to medium in size. Caps

should be either closed around the stem or moderately open with pink

or light-tan gills. The surface of the cap should be white or creamy,

or uniform light brown if of a brown type.



Avoid: Overripe mushrooms (shown by wide-open caps and dark,

discolored gills underneath) and those with pitted or seriously

discolored caps.



Okra



Okra is the immature seed pod of the okra plant, generally grown in

Southern States.



Look for: Tender pods (the tips will bend with very slight pressure)

under 4-1/2 inches long. They should be bright green color and free

from blemishes.



 Avoid: Tough, fibrous pods, indicated by tips which are stiff and

resist bending, or by a very hard body of the pod, or by pale, faded

green color.



Onions



The many varieties of onions grown commercially fall into three

general classes, distinguished by color: yellow, white, and red.



Onions are available year-round, either fresh or from storage.



Major onion-growing States are California, New York, Texas, Michigan,

Colorado, Oregon, and Idaho.



 Look for: Hard or firm onions which are dry and have small necks.

They should be reasonably free from green sunburn spots or other

blemishes.



 Avoid: Onions with wet or very soft necks, which usually are immature

or affected by decay. Also avoid onions with thick,  hollow, woody

centers in the neck or with fresh sprouts.



Onions (Green), Leeks



Onions and leeks (sometimes called scallions) are similar in

appearance, but are somewhat different in nature.



Green onions are ordinary onions harvested very young. They have very

little or no bulb formation, and their tops are tubular.



 Leeks have slight bulb formation and broad, flat, dark- green tops.



Sold in small, tied bunches, they are all available to some extent

throughout the entire year, but   are most plentiful in spring and

summer.



Look for: Bunches with fresh, crisp, green tops. They should have

portions extending two or three inches up from the root end.



Avoid: Yellowing, wilted, discolored, or decayed tops (indicating

flabby, tough, or fibrous condition of the edible portions). Braised

tops will not affect the eating quality of the bulbs, if  the tops are

removed.



Parsley



Parsley is generally available the year-round. It is used both as a

decorative garnish and to add its own unique flavor.



Look for: Fresh, crisp, bright-green leaves, for both the curled-leaf

and the flat-leaf types of parsley. Slightly wilted

leaves can be freshened by trimming off the ends of the stems and

placing them in cold water.



Avoid: Yellowing, discolored, or decayed leaves.



Parsnips



Although available to some extent throughout the year, parsnips are

primarily late-winter vegetables because the flavor becomes sweeter

and more desirable after long exposure to cold temperatures, below 40

F.



Look for: Parsnips of small or medium width that are well formed,

smooth, firm, and free from serious blemishes or decay.



Avoid: Large, coarse roots (which probably have woody, fibrous, or

pithy centers) and badly wilted and flabby roots (which will be tough

when cooked).



Peppers



Most of the peppers that you'll find are the sweet green peppers,

available in varying amounts throughout the year, but most  plentiful

during late summer. (Fully matured peppers of the same      type have

a bright red color.) A variety of.colored peppers are also available,

including white, yellow, orange, red, and purple.



Look for: Peppers with deep, characteristic color, glossy sheen,

relatively heavy weight, and firm walls or sides. Consider the ripe

red ones or with red streaks running through thembecause these are the

sweetest. 



Avoid: Peppers with very thin walls (indicated by lightweight and

flimsy sides), peppers that are wilted or flabby with cuts or

punctures through the walls, and pepper with soft watery spots on

the sides (evidence of decay).



Potatoes



For practical purposes, potatoes can be put into three groups,

although the distinctions between them are not clear-cut, and there is

much overlapping.



"New potatoes" is a term most frequently used to describe those

potatoes freshly harvested and marketed during the late winter or

early spring. The name is also widely used in later crop producing

areas to designate freshly dug potatoes which are not fully matured.

The best uses for new potatoes are boiling or creaming. They vary

widely in size and shape, depending upon variety, but are likely to be

affected by "skinning" or "feathering" of the outer layer of skin.

Skinning usually affects only their appearance.



"General purpose potatoes" include the great majority of supplies,

both round and long types, offered for sale in markets. With the aid

of air-cooled storage, they are amply available throughout the year.

As the term implies, they are used for boiling, frying, and baking,

although many of the common varieties are not considered to be best

for baking.



Potatoes grown specifically for their baking quality also are

available. Both variety and area where grown are important factors

affecting baking quality. A long variety with fine, scaly netting on

the skin, such as the Russet Burbank, is commonly used for baking.



Look for: With new potatoes, look for firm potatoes that are free from

blemishes and sunburn (a green discoloration under the skin). Some

amount of skinned surface is normal, but potatoes with large skinned

and discolored areas are undesirable. For general-purpose and baking

potatoes, look for reasonably smooth, firm potatoes free from

blemishes, sunburn, and decay.



Avoid: Potatoes with large cuts, bruises, or decay (they'll cause

waste in peeling) and sprouted or shriveled potatoes.



Also avoid green potatoes. The green portions, which contain the

alkaloid solanin, may penetrate the flesh and cause bitter flavor.



Radishes



Radishes, available the year-round, are most plentiful from May

through July. California and Florida produce most of our winter and

spring supplies, while several Northern States provide radishes the

rest of the year.



Look for: Medium-size radishes 3/4 to 1 inch in diameter that are

plump, round, firm, and of a good, red color.



Avoid: Very large or flabby radishes (likely to have pithy centers).

Also avoid radishes with yellow or decayed tops (sign of over-age).



Rhubarb



This highly specialized vegetable is used like a fruit in sweetened

sauces and pies. Very limited supplies are available during most of

the year, with best supplies available from January to June.



Look for: Fresh, firm rhubarb stems with a bright, glossy appearance.

Stems should have a large amount of pink or red color, although many

good-quality stems will be predominantly light green. Be sure that the

stem is tender and not fibrous.



Avoid: Either very slender or extremely thick stems, which are likely

to be tough and stringy. Also avoid rhubarb that is wilted and flabby.



Rutabagas (See Turnips)



Spinach (See Greens)



Squash (Summer)



Summer squash includes those varieties which are harvested while still

immature and when the entire squash is tender and edible. They include

the yellow Crookneck, the large Straightneck, the

greenish-white Patty Pan, and the slender green Zucchini. Some of

these squash are available at all times of the year.



Look for: Squash that are tender and well developed, firm, and

fresh-appearing. You can identify a tender squash, because the skin is

glossy instead of dull, and it is neither hard nor tough.



Avoid: Stale or overmature squash, which will have a dull appearance

and a hard, tough surface. Such squash usually have enlarged seeds and

dry, stringy flesh. Also avoid squash with

discolored or pitted areas.



Squash (Fall and Winter)



Winter squash are those varieties which are marketed only when fully

mature. Some of the most important varieties are the small corrugated

Acorn (available all year-round), Butternut, Buttercup, green and blue

Hubbard, green and gold Delicious, and Banana. Winter squash is most

plentiful from early fall until late winter.



Look for: Full maturity, indicated by a hard, tough find. Also look

for squash that is heavy for its size (meaning a thick wall and more

edible flesh). Slight variations in skin color do not affect

flavor.



Avoid: Squash with cuts, punctures, sunken spots, or moldy spots on

the find. These are indications of decay. A tender rind indicates

immaturity, which is a sign of poor eating quality in winter squash

varieties.



Sweet Potatoes



Two types of sweet potatoes are available in varying amounts the

year-round. Moist sweet potatoes, sometimes called yams, are the most

common type. They have orange-colored flesh and are very sweet. (The

true yam is the root of a tropical vine which is not grown

commercially in the United States.)



Dry sweet potatoes have pale-colored flesh and are low in moisture.



Most sweet potatoes are grown in the Southern tier and some Eastern

States, in an area from Texas to New Jersey. California also is a

major producer.



Look for: Firm sweet potatoes with smooth, bright, uniformly colored

skins, free from signs of decay. Because they are more perishable than

white potatoes, extra care should be used in      selecting sweet

potatoes.



Avoid: Sweet potatoes with worm holes, cuts, grub injury, or any other

defects which penetrate the skin; this causes waste and can readily

lead to decay. Even if you cut away the decayed portion, the remainder

of the potato flesh may have a bad taste.



Decay is the worst problem with sweet potatoes and is of three types:

wet, soft decay; dry, firm decay which begins at the end of the

potato, making it discolored and shriveled; and dry rot in the

form of sunken,discolored areas on the sides of the potato.



Sweet potatoes should not be stored in the refrigerator.



Tomatoes



Extremely popular and nutritious, tomatoes are in moderate to liberal

supply throughout the year. Florida, California, and a number of other

States are major producers, but imports supplement

domestic supplies.



The best flavor usually comes from locally grown tomatoes produced on

nearby farms. This type of tomato is allowed to ripen completely

before being picked. Many areas, however, now ship tomatoes which are

picked fight after the color has begun to change from green to pink.



If your tomatoes need further ripening, keep them in a warm place but

not in direct sunlight. Unless they are fully ripened, do not store

tomatoes in a refrigerator the cold temperatures might keep them from

ripening later on and rain the flavor.



Look for: Tomatoes which are smooth, well ripened, and reasonably free

from blemishes.



For fully ripe fruit, look for an overall rich, red color and a slight

softness. Softness is easily detected by gentle handling.



 For tomatoes slightly less than fully ripe, look for firm texture and

color ranging from pink to light red.



Avoid: Soft, overripe, or braised tomatoes, and tomatoes with sunburn

(green or yellow areas near the stem scar), and growth cracks (deep

brown cracks around the stem scar). Also avoid decayed tomatoes which

will have soft, water-soaked spots, depressed areas, or surface mold.



Turnips



The most popular turnip has white flesh and a purple top

(reddish-purple tinting of upper surface). It may be sold "topped"

(with leaves removed) or in bunches with tops still on, and is

available in some food stores most of the year.



Look for: Small or medium-size, smooth, fairly round, and firm

vegetables. If sold in bunches, the tops should be fresh and should

have a good green color.



Avoid: Large turnips with too many leaf scars around the top and with

obvious fibrous roots.



Rutabagas are distinctly yellow-fleshed, large-sized relatives of

turnips. They are available generally in the fall and winter, but

cold-storage rutabagas are often available in the spring. Late

winter storage rutabagas are sometimes coated with a thin layer of

paraffin to prevent loss of moisture and shriveling. The paraffin is

readily removed with the peeling before cooking.



Look for: Heavy weight for their size, generally smooth, round or

moderately elongated shape, and firmness.



Avoid: Rutabagas with skin punctures, deep cuts or decay.



Watercress



Watercress is a small, round-leaved plant that grows naturally (or it

may be cultivated) along the banks of freshwater streams and ponds. It

is prized as an ingredient of mixed green salads and as a garnish,

because of its spicy flavor. Watercress is available in limited supply

through most of the year.



Look for: Watercress that is fresh, crisp, and has a rich green color.

Avoid: Bunches with yellow, wilted, or decayed leaves.



Zucchini



Thin shinny ones are the best. Also consider eating them while young.

Look for fuzzy hairs on them to indicate garden freshness. The crooked

necked yellow squash is the best overall flavor.



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of Herbs

* Lendon Smith, M.D. Feed Your Kids Right

* Bernard Jensen, D.C. Nutritionist, Beyond Basic Health, and many

other books.

* Edmond Bordeaux Szekeky,The Gospel of Peace. IBS Internacional, PO.

Box 849, Nelson,                     B.C. Canada, V1L 6A5.  $1.00 plus

$4.00 postage and handling for the Essenes Gospel Of Peace.

* Jason Winter's, Killing Cancer (Death Begins In The Colon)

* Alda Diaz, Colonic Irrigation, from For Wemon First Magazine. March

20, 1995. Page 97.

                          



THE END

 MARGIES RARE BOOKS AND PLANT CLIPART

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Infertility

From: jontrigo@aol.com

Date: 22 Nov 1996 22:34:06 GMT



I would like some help identifying herbs that may be helpful in ending

infertility associated with delay, poor and infrequent ovulation.  

I would like to know which herbs may help to regulate ovulation and which

herbs may cause irregular ovulation.

Any information is appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Trish

P.S.  Feel free to e-mail





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Infertility

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 25 Nov 1996 22:37:41 GMT



In article <19961122223600.RAA09557@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

jontrigo@aol.com writes:



>I would like some help identifying herbs that may be helpful in ending

>infertility associated with delay, poor and infrequent ovulation.  



Susun Weed's herbals for women, particularily her one for pregnancy, would

be a good place to start (these are listed in Heinriette's FAQ last time I

looked).  A program for women and men that has been popular in Seattle is

Toni Weschler's Fertility Awareness Method. She also wrote a book called

"Taking Charge of Your Fertility", which deals in part with maximizing

chances for pregnancy even with poor ovulation.  Highly detailed

descriptions of all aspects of the cycle, lots of charts and photographs. 

It's been the most popular book on this topic in our store.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herpes treatment

From: Ruthanne_Rose@RedwoodFN.org (Ruthanne Rose)

Date: 23 Nov 1996 00:35:25 GMT



I wish to share the success that a friend has personally experienced regarding

genital herpes.   Originally,Lysine was used with moderate success. 

Unfortunately, the herpes often returned, especially under stress, or with

excessive use of coffee, sugar,  & white flour products.  When Kelp tablets

were added, with 0.15mg. iodine per tablet, 1 in a.m. & 1 in p.m., symptoms

decreased gradually.  At present, only kelp is being taken with continued

success.  This means that there have been no lesions over many months. 

CAUTION: Excessive intake of iodine can be harmful to the thyroid gland.  It

is possible that 1 kelp tablet daily will have the desired effect.   My

friend is hoping for this.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: woods-grown herbs?

From: stewart@peinet.pe.ca (Paul Stewart C/O ABIOGEN)

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 03:13:31 GMT





I would like to correspond with anyone who has experience with planting, 

transplanting, or enhancing existing plots of herbs in underutilized woodlots. 

My main interest is in ginseng, sassafrass, goldenseal and sarsparilla, but 

would like to hear the suggestions from the group on other appropriate 

species. Thanks for any interest...



Paul Stewart c/o ABIOGEN Agri-Food Services

RR #2 Vernon Bridge, Prince Edward Island,

CANADA   C0A 2E0  

(stewart@cycor.ca)  (902)651-3163





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Rx for liver?

From: "James D. Logan or Jane Sitton-Logan" <hammer@mail.startext.net>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 21:19:38 -0800



Greetings.  Jane here.



I have a small herb patch, mostly to supplement cooking.  I don't know a

lot about medicinal qualities except peppermint, chamomile, etc.



My best friend's mother is currently ill.  She has been told she will

need a liver transplant.  Her salt intake is limited severly, as well as

fats.  She has lost an incredible amount of weight, and doesn't look the

better for it.



Is there anything to help strengthen the liver?  I have heard of milk

thistle, but where do you find it?  Does it work?  Is there anything

else?  And anything to help stimulate her appetite?



I know herbs help improve the taste of food when salt is restricted, but

just like there are drug interactions, are there herb interactions?  (I

am aware that most drugs are plant derivatives, btw.)



If you have any advice, please email me at   hammer@startext.net



Be of good cheer.  Jane.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rx for liver?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:06:06 GMT



"James D. Logan or Jane Sitton-Logan" <hammer@mail.startext.net>

wrote:



>Is there anything to help strengthen the liver?  I have heard of milk

>thistle, but where do you find it?  Does it work?  Is there anything

>else?  And anything to help stimulate her appetite?



I recommend seeing my post called Diet and Supplement Tips

and following the regimen for Digestion and Elimination, which is

turmeric and fennel seeds, to start, then use milk thistle seed

extract, called silymarin, taken as directed.  After a few days,

watching closely for adverse reactions, start on Planetary Formula's

Stone Free at two tablets twice per day, and yellowdock at half the

recommended dosage, then build up to recommended dosages for three

weeks.



All of these supplements are available at most health food stores.  If

you cannot find Stone Free, use dandelion root instead. Turmeric and

fennel seeds can be had at any supermarket, following the directions

in the post mentioned for administration, or using capsules available

at herb shops or health food stores.  If you happen to have these two

herbs in your spice rack, you can take a 1/2 teaspoon of each over

right now and administer them mixed with a little honey.



These will help with appetite stimulation as well after a couple of

days.  You will see an immediate improvement in liver function with

the turmeric and fennel seeds alone.  Do not use the yellowdock for

more than four weeks initially.  Please report the results in a week.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: world

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Colloidal Silver, What is it?

From: tstrand@teleport.com (Terry Strand)

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 96 19:14:18 GMT



I am trying to find out information on COLLOIDAL SILVER and any health 

benefits it may claim.

Thanks 



Terry Strand





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver, What is it?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 25 Nov 1996 05:40:02 -0700



tstrand@teleport.com (Terry Strand) wrote:



>I am trying to find out information on COLLOIDAL SILVER and any health 

>benefits it may claim.



To make silver, a metal, into a colloid, you have to separate it

into extremely small particles and suspend it in a solution of

something (often made of large starch or sugar molecules).

This keeps the metal from settling out as you would expect - it

isn't really a solid in the typical sense any more, but it is

still elemental silver.

As to the health claims ... I have seen it touted as a cure for

almost anything. 

Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | http://www.writepage.com

                          | Genre Fiction Publicity









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Medical Contraindications

From: clemens@bart.nl (Clemens WP Bergenhenegouwen)

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:21:51 GMT



Here a copy of the Michael Moore list of

Herbal Medical Contraindications.





NOTE TO USERS: This manual is best viewed by using a uniform-spaced

font 

(such as Courier or Monaco) and setting a width of 80 characters.





HERBAL-MEDICAL CONTRAINDICATIONS  by Michael Moore



Synergistic and iatrogenic potentials when certain herbs are used 

concurrent with medical treatment or medical health care.



Copyright 1995 by Michael Moore.  Use it, share it, just don't sell it

or change it in any way (unless you get my permission)



THE REASON FOR THIS LIST:



A list of side-effects written by a toxicologist or a pharmacognosist 

will deal ONLY with potential problems that a particular constituent

may

cause, and seldom treats a plant as a Gestalt.  

They don't understand HERBS.



A list of side-effects written by most herbalists will deal with side 

effects from over-dosage or adulteration, and will seldom consider the



implications for drug or procedural medicine.  

They don't understand MEDICINE.



I feel fairly secure in both worlds, so this list of potential

synergies

and contraindications is meant to honor BOTH approaches.  I am talking



strictly to the working practitioner; these are PRACTICAL concerns,

not

theoretical ones.



THE FOCUS OF THIS LIST:



My intent in this list is to wed both approaches:

A.  What herbs may present overt drug reactions.

B.  What herbs may present synergistic effects to

       1.  a person undergoing a particular metabolic stress

       2.  a person undergoing drug therapies

C.  What herbs have side-effects BUT that are frequently 

    used without adequate warnings, marketed with an anti-

    medical bias, or taken unwisely by those that feel NO

    herb can be harmful because it is natural.



PHILOSOPHICAL CONSIDERATIONS:



     If you are used to viewing biologically active agents as analogs

to

drugs, you need to suspend those standards when dealing with most herb



preparations.  Some of these plants CAN be reduced to the pharmacology



of specific constituents, and they are so noted.  The majority of 

potential reactions occur when an herb STIMULATES metabolic processes 

that are already in an excited state.  The usual models of drug

toxicology

will fail to predict such reactions; these are NOT, strictly speaking,



drug reactions, but often predictable idiopathic synergies.

Predictable, 

that is, if you are willing to view most herbs as multi-systemic

wholistic

medicines, offering a "profile" of effects that can help OR aggravate,



depending on the PERSON using them.

     Herbs should be free of side effects within their therapeutic

window and when used by a person whose constitution is complimented, 

not antagonized by the herbs.  Whether or not you accept any value to 

Botanical Medicine, this is Conventional Wisdom amongst herbalists.

Side effects from herbs are unwanted, both by herbalists wishing to 

strengthen, not denigrate homeostasis, and by skeptics who doubt any 

value to herbs except from placebo or accidental drug effects.  

     On the other hand, a careful evaluation of potential drug therapy



starts with the basic understanding that drugs HAVE side effects at

the

proper dose, and the value must be weighed against the detriment.

Most

possible problems I have listed will only occur in potentiated states,

and may be subtle enough to be ignored by Believers (Don't be so 

defensive!), magnified totally out of proportion by Skeptics (Don't be



so judgmental!).  We all tend to be too isolated in our peer groups,

always preaching to our particular choir.

     Some physicians feel any self-treatment with biologically active 

agents is dangerous.  Many people consider this either professional 

arrogance or the attempt to stifle competition.  I have nearly always 

observed the attitude to derive from a very real concern; a

physician's

biochemical tools are drugs.  By extension, docs may rightly presume

that

any agent capable of promoting change probably has similar potential

for 

side effects.  Carried to an irrational extreme, some medical folks 

feel that anything WITHOUT potential side effects is quackery.  This,

of

course, leaves any alternative approach in a Catch-22 bind.

     There is little intrinsic danger in using herbs, since few have

the

potential for DRUG side effects.  The side effects are usually 

idiosyncratic or idiopathic, and not predictable by drug standards.

This brings me back to why I have assembled this list.



NOTES:

 

[1]  Some of these plants are illegal, not from the pseudo-scientific 

rationale of law-inforcement (except Cannabis and Lophophora) but for

the

practical legality that THEY AREN'T SAFE.  Nonetheless they still find

their way into personal use.  I have developed the libertarian

attitude

that permeated 19th and early 20th century pharmacy: "Let them take

what 

they want to...it's a Free Country.  If they don't know any better,

let's

thin the herd!".  We, however, have a generation or two of people that



EXPECT a warning label on everything, and that have come to doubt

common

sense.  Of course many dangers in modern life do not warn by taste,

smell

or appearance...radiation, pollution, etc.  Given this, plant drugs

like

Yohimbe and even Ma Huang should, in my opinion, not be available in

the

same marketplace as Peppermint and Sarsaparilla.  But they are.



[2]  Some of these herbs are only encountered in "ethnic" use, but,

with

most ethnic groups suffering diminished coherence of tradition, a Wise

Woman or folk herbalist may not be around to give appropriate advice.



[3]  A few of these herbs are seldom encountered in the herb trade but



rather are wildcrafted and used inappropriately.  Some of this may be

MY

fault, since I write about the use of plants that are low-dosage

botanicals and presume that the reader has Common Sense...not always a



reality.  Many of us distrust ANY authoritative limits...this

anti-author-

itarianism may be encountered in the way some people use even sensible



herb books.



[4]  Herbal Cure-Alls and thinly-veiled Phytopharmaceuticals are a

growing

part of the health-food industry.  In Europe they are usually

dispensed

under medical supervision; they have no place in American Standard

Practice but instead have entered the alternative health marketplace

as 

"Herbs".  They are more concentrated, more refined, have little of the



biochemical buffering or "fuzz" that whole plants offer, and are NOT 

metabolic tonics but substances intended for specific subclinical 

pathologies...Little Drugs if you will.  Their use is intended for 

conditions that have been medically diagnosed...not for self-treatment



based upon sometimes inaccurate self-diagnosis.  It's one thing to

take 

aspirin for a headache or use a bitter to trigger improved upper

digestive 

function.  It's another thing to take proven immunostimulant or anti-

oxidant substances (even if derived from plants) if based on "I get

sick 

a lot" or "I bet my liver needs cleansing".

     Not only is this an entirely new realm of potential iatrogenesis,

but

it has a corruptive influence by my way of thinking.  It centralizes

the

MARKETING of herbs into the hands of a few, but without offering

guide-

lines for DIAGNOSIS.  And it seduces folks from the sensible heart of 

self-treatment...self-knowledge.

  

One-size-fits-all is not self-empowerment 



TABLE OF CONTENTS

PREGNANCY 

   TERATOGENIC/MUTAGENIC

   UTERINE VASOCONSTRICTORS 

   UTERINE VASODILATORS 

   CATHARTICS/SACRAL IRRITANTS

   OXYTOCIN SYNERGISTS

   OVERT DRUGS

   MISCELLANEOUS WlERDNESS

   MAY BE PRESENT IN MILK

NEUROENDOCRINE 

   SYMPATHOMIMETICS

   PARASYMPATHOMIMETICS

   ANTICHOLlNERGlC

   VASOPRESSOMIMETlC

   THYROID STlMULATlNG

   THYROID DEPRESSING

   ALDOSTERONE SYNERGISTS

   FLAVIN-MAO-INHIBITING

METABOLIC

   "ANABOLIC"

   ANTICOAGULANTS/"BLOOD THINNING"

   CYANOGENIC POTENTIAL

   ALLERGIC/ATOPIC POTENTIAL

   HYPO-HYPERGLYCEMIC (REACTIVE)

CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM 

   CARDIOGLYCOSIDE POTENTIATING

   BRADYCARDIC/HYPOTENSIVE

   TACHYCARDIC

   HYPERTENSIVE POTENTIAL

PHARMACOKINETICS 

   HERBS THAT CAN ALTER LIVER METABOLlSM OF DRUGS

   HERBS THAT CAN ALTER GI ABSORPTION

   IMMUNOSTIMULANT HERBS THAT CAN RAISE WBC COUNT

HEPATIC

   HERBS THAT CAN ALTER SGOT/SGPT READINGS

   PYRROLIZIDINE ALKALOID HERBS

HERB-SPECIFIC PROBLEMS

   WITH MISCONCEPTIONS

   WITH HIDDEN or THRESHOLD EFFECTS

   LACKING ANY SOCIALLY REDEEMING VALUE

INDEX OF COMMON NAMES



/////////////////////////////////

PREGNANCY ///////////////////////

/////////////////////////////////



Some of these herbs are relatively harmless, but considering the

highly

reactive state of pregnancy, and the fact that fetal growth is a 

template that can manifest pharmacokinetics VERY differently than for 

an adult, they are mentioned.  Others are obviously inappropriate 

because of their neuroendocrine, autonomic or vascular implications.

 

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

PREGNANCY: TERATOGENIC/MUTAGENIC

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



PODOPHYLLUM.  (American Mandrake) 

BAPTISIA  (Wild Indigo)...theoretically



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

PREGNANCY: UTERINE VASOCONSTRICTORS 

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ARCTOSTAPHYLOS  (Uva Ursi, Manzanita, Coralillo) if use is continued

for

  more than 3-4 days

EPHEDRA VULGARIS  (Ma Huang, Chinese Ephedra)

USTILAGO  (Corn Smut) A feeble ergot analog

VINCA MAJOR  (Periwinkle) Idiosyncratic vasoconstrictor

VISCUM ALBUM (European Mistletoe) May incorrectly be American

Mistletoe

  in commerce, a very vasoconstricting plant. 

XANTHIUM  (Cadillos, Cocklebur) More than 6-8 burrs a day can cause

  potential placental separation 



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

PREGNANCY: UTERINE VASODILATORS 

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ACTEA RUBRA (A. arguta, Baneberry)

ALOE (Aloes Socrotine, etc.)

ANGELICA SINENSIS (Dong Quai, Tang Kwei)

APOCYNUM CANNABINUM (Dogbane, Canadian Hemp)

ARISTOLOCHIA SERPENTARIA (Virginia Snakeroot, Serpentaria)

ARISTOLOCHIA WATSONll (Indian Root, Raiz del Indio)

ARNICA (A. montana. A. cordifolia. A. latiflora. etc.)

ARTEMISIA ABSINTHIUM (Wormwood)

ARTEMISIA TRIDENTATA (Sagebrush)

ARTEMISIA VULGARIS (Mugwort. California Mugwort)

ASCLEPIAS ASPERULA (Inmortal, Antelope Horns)

ASCLEPIAS TUBEROSA (Pleurisy Root)

BRYONIA (Bryony)

CACALIA DECOMPOSITA (Maturin. Maturique)

CHAMAELIRIUM (Helonias. Unicorn Root )

CHENOPODIUM (Epazote. Wormseed)

CIMICIFUGA RACEMOSA (Black Cohosh)

CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe. Yohimbe)

CROCUS (True Saffron, "Azafran")  Azafran is the usual name for

Safflowers 

DAUCUS CAROTA (Carrot, Wild Carrot) The seeds.

EUONYMUS (Wahoo, Burning Bush)

FOUQUIERIA SPLENDENS (Ocotillo)

GALEGA (Goat's Rue)

HEDEOMA (American Pennyroyal, Poleo Chino)

IRIS VERSICOLOR, I. MISSOURIENSIS (Blue Flag)

JUNIPERUS (Juniper. Sabina, Sabino Macho, "Cedar")

LILIUM TIGRINUM (Tiger Lily)

LOPHOPHORA (Peyote. Mescal Buttons)

PETROSELlNUM (Parsley)

PODOPHYLLUM (American Mandrake, May Apple)

POLYGALA SENEGA (Senega Snakeroot, Milkwort)

POLYMNIA UVEDALIA (Bearsfoot, Leafcup)

RUTA GRAVEOLENS (Rue, Ruda)

SANGUINARIA (Bloodroot)

SPIGELIA (Pink Root)

STILLINGIA SYLVATICA (Queen's Root)

TANACETUM (Tansy, Ponso, Tanse)

THUJA (Arbor Vitae, Flat, Red or Yellow Cedar)

TURNERA DIFFUSA (Damiana)

XANTHOXYLUM (Prickly Ash)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

PREGNANCY: CATHARTICS/SACRAL IRRITANTS

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ALOE (Aloes Socrotine. etc.)

CASSIA MARlLANDICA (American Senna)

CHENOPODIUM (Epazote, Wormseed)

HELIOPSIS LONGIPES (Raiz del Oro, Chilcuan)

IRIS VERSICOLOR, I. MISSOURIENSIS (Blue Flag)

LEPTANDRA (Veronicastrum, Culver's Root)

PODOPHYLLUM (American Mandrake)

RHAMNUS CALIFORNICA (California Buckthorn)

RHAMNUS FRANGULA (Buckthorn)

RHAMNUS PURSHIANA (Cascara Sagrada)

RHEUM (Chinese or Turkey Rhubarb)

SENNA (Cassia angustifolia, Te de Sena )



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

PREGNANCY: OXYTOCIN SYNERGISTS

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ASCLEPIAS ASPERULA (Inmortal, Antelope Horns)

CAPSELLA BURSA-PASTORIS (Shepherd's Purse, Bolsa de Pastor)

CAULOPHYLLUM (Blue Cohosh)

GOSSYPIUM (Cotton, Algodoncillo) Root Bark

LEONURUS CARDIACA (Motherwort)

LOPHOPHORA (Peyote, Mescal Buttons)

SCOPARIUS (Cytisus scoparius, Broom Tops)

USTILAGO (Corn Smut)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

PREGNANCY: OVERT DRUG PLANTS (and primary compounds)

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ACONITUM COLUMBIANUM (Aconite, Monkshood)

     Aconitine

APOCYNUM CANNABINUM (Dogbane. Canadian Hemp) 

     Feeble digitaloid

CHENOPODIUM (Epazote, Wormseed)

CINCHONA (Peruvian Bark. Quinine Bark)

     Quinines

CONVALLARIA (Lily of the Valley)

     Feeble digitaloid

CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe, Yohimbe)

     Yohimbine AND some reserpine relatives..an indole stew

DATURA (Jimson Weed. Toloache, Estramonio)

     Atropine effects

EPHEDRA VULGARIS (Ma Huang, Chinese Ephedra)

     Ephedrines

GARRYA (Silk Tassel, Cuauchichic, Quinine Bush)

     Garryine, Cuauachichicine - anti-cholinergics

GELSEMIUM (Yellow Jasmine)

     Gelsemine...an indole alkaloid and CNS irritant

HYOCYAMUS NIGER (Henbane)

     Atropine effects

LOPHOPHORA (Peyote, Mescal Buttons)

NICOTIANA (Punche, Tobacco)

PEGANUM HARMALA (Syrian Rue)

     Harmine (indole alkaloid, MAO inhibitor)

PILOCARPUS (Jaborandi)

     Pilocarpine and other muscarinics

SCOPARIUS (Cytisus scoparius, Broom Tops)

     Cytisine, sparteine (simultaneous Hypo-Hypertensives)

VERATRUM (Green, False or American Hellebore)

     Cardiac depressant



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PREGNANCY: MISCELLANEOUS WlERDNESS

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ACONITUM CARMICHAELI (CURED) (Fu-tse, Fo-tzu)

     Peculiar adrenergic, wrong in TCM, and biologically too potent.

ACORUS CALAMUS (Calamus, Sweet Flag)

     Mildly co-carcinogen (Eurasian strain), and may interfere with

     normal PG inter-reactions

AESCULUS CALIFORNICA (California Buckeye) see below

--AESCULUS GLABRA (Ohio Buckeye) see below

--AESCULUS HIPPOCASTANUM (Horse Chestnut)

     All stimulate myenteric plexus, with unpredictable vascular

effects.

AMYGDALIS PERSICA (Peach Tree)

     Cyanogenic, unless prepared perfectly

ANEMONE HIRSUTISSIMA (Pulsatilla, Pasque Flower) anti-dopimergic

BAPTISIA (Wild Indigo Root) CAN mimic Scoparius

CORYDALIS AUREUS (Golden Smoke)

--DICENTRA CANADENSIS (Turkey Corn)

--DICENTRA FORMOSA (Bleeding Heart)

--ESCHSCHOLTZIA CALIFORNICA (California Poppy)

     Above four have mixed protopines

GINKGO BlLOBA (Maidenhair Tree) Many subtle effects, unpredictable

GLYCYRRHIZA GLABRA (Licorice) Minerocorticosteroid effects

GUAIACUM OFFICINALE (Lignum Vitae, Guayacan)

     Unpredictable vasodilation, feebly muscarinic

HELENIUM HOOPESll (Yerba del Lobo) Contains PAs; potential liver

irritant

HYDRASTIS (Golden Seal) Mucosa stimulant, may age placenta

LARREA (Chaparral. Gobernadora, Hediondilla)

     Quirky anti-oxidant, w/hemolytic potential

LOMATIUM DISSECTUM (Leptotaenia) Too bioactive to chance

MARRUBIUM (Horehound, Marrubio) Mildly hypertensive under some

conditions

MENTHA ARVENSIS (Brook Mint, Poleo) Has some Pennyroyal constituents

OPLOPANAX HORRIDUM (Echinopanax, Devil's Club)

--PANAX GINSENG (Asian Ginseng)

--PANAX QUINQUEFOLIUM (American Ginseng)

     Above three are anabolic/hypothalamic

PHYTOLACCA (Poke) Idiosyncratic, poorly documented muscarinic effects

PRUNUS (Wild Cherry, Choke Cherry) Cyanogenic when gathered

incorrectly

PTYCHOPETALUM (Muirapuama. Raiz del Macho)

     Idiosyncratic motor/sacral stimulant

SENECIO AUREUS (Life Root, Squaw Weed) May be unintentionally mixed

with

     toxic Senecios

SILYBUM MARIANUM (Milk Thistle) May inhibit hepatocytes in excess; 

     pregnancy may unpredictably alter therapeutic window

SOLANUM DULCAMARA (Bittersweet Twigs) Too bioactive to risk

SYMPHYTUM (Comfrey) Some hybrids in commerce contain root PAs

TRlBULUS (Puncture Vine, Goat's Head) Ayurvedic Medicine advises not

to

     use in pregnancy

VISCUM ALBUM (European Mistletoe) May be unintentionally adulterated

with

     American Mistletoe: even if correct, it is too bioactive



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PREGNANCY: MAY BE PRESENT IN MILK

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ACORUS CALAMUS (Calamus. Sweet Flag)

AlLANTHUS ALTlSSIMA (Tree of Heaven)

ALLIUM SATIVUM (Garlic)

ALOE (Aloes Socrotine, etc.)

ARISTOLOCHIA SERPENTARIA (Virginia Snakeroot, Serpentaria)

ARISTOLOCHIA WATSONll (Indian Root, Raiz del Indio)

ARTEMISIA ABSINTHIUM (Wormwood, Agenjo)

ARTEMISIA TRIDENTATA (Sagebrush, Chamiso Hediondo)

ARTEMISIA VULGARIS (Mugwort, Altamisa)

CACALIA DECOMP0SITA (Maturin, Maturique)

CANNABIS SATIVA (Marijuana, Hemp)

CASSIA MARlLANDICA (American Senna, Te de Sena)

CHENOPODIUM (Epazote, Wormseed)

COMMIPHORA (Myrrh Gum, Mirra)

CONVALLARIA (Lily of the Valley)

DAUCUS CAROTA (Carrot, Wild Carrot) Seeds

DRACONTIUM (Symplocarpus, Skunk Cabbage)

FOUQUIERIA SPLENDENS (Ocotillo)

GALEGA (Goat's Rue)

GINKGO BILOBA (Maidenhair Tree)

JUNIPERUS (Juniper. Sabina, "Cedar")

LIGUSTICUM PORTERI (Osha, Chuchupate)

PlLOCARPUS (Jaborandi)

RHEUM (Chinese or Turkey Rhubarb)

SANGUINARIA (Bloodroot)

SENNA (Cassia angustifolia, Te de Sena )

RUTA GRAVEOLENS (Rue, Ruda)

TANACETUM (Tansy, Tanse, Ponso, "Altamisa")

THUJA (Arbor Vitae, Flat, Red or Yellow Cedar)

XANTHOXYLUM (Prickly Ash)



/////////////////////////////////

NEUROENDOCRINE //////////////////

/////////////////////////////////



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

NEUROENDOCRINE: SYMPATHOMIMETICS w/PRIMARY CONSTITUENT

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ACONITUM CARMICHAELI (CURED) (Fu-tse, Fo-tzu) ???

ACORUS CALAMUS (Calamus. Sweet Flag) ASARONE

CAFFEA ARABICA (Coffee) CAFFEINE

COLA NITIDA (Kola Nut) CAFFEINE

CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe. Yohimbe) YOHIMBINE

EPHEDRA VULGARIS (Ma Huang, Chinese Ephedra) EPHEDRINE

GELSEMIUM (Yellow Jasmine) GELSEMINE

LOPHOPHORA (Peyote, Mescal Buttons) MESCALINE

PEGANUM HARMALA (Syrian Rue) HARMINES

PAULLINIA (Guarana) CAFFEINE, HYPOXANTHINES

PTYCHOPETALUM (Muirapuama, Raiz del Macho) ???

SCOPARIUS (Cytisus scoparius, Broom Tops) CYTISINE, SPARTEINE, etc.



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

NEUROENDOCRINE: PARASYMPATHOMIMETICS

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



AESCULUS CALIFORNICA (California Buckeye)

AESCULUS GLABRA (Ohio Buckeye)

AESCULUS HIPPOCASTANUM (Horse Chestnut)

ANEMONE HIRSUTISSIMA (Pulsatilla, Pasque Flower)

APOCYNUM CANNABINUM (Dogbane, Canadian Hemp)

ARNICA (A. montana, A. cordifolia. A. latiflora. etc.)

ASCLEPIAS ASPERULA (Inmortal, Antelope Horns)

ASCLEPIAS TUBEROSA (Pleurisy Root)

BRYONIA (Bryony)

CACALIA DECOMPOSITA (Maturin, Maturique)

CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe, Yohimbe)

EUONYMUS (Wahoo, Burning Bush)

IRIS VERSICOLOR, I. MISSOURIENSIS (Blue Flag)

LEPTANDRA (Veronicastrum, Culver's Root)

LOBELIA INFLATA (Lobelia, Indian Tobacco)

PHYTOLACCA (Poke)

PlLOCARPUS (Jaborandi)

PISCIDIA (Jamaica Dogwood, Jabin)

POLYGALA SENEGA (Senega Snakeroot, Milkwort)

SANGUINARIA (Bloodroot)

SOLANUM DULCAMARA (Bittersweet Twigs)

SPIGELIA (Pink Root)

VERATRUM (Green, False or American Hellebore)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

NEUROENDOCRINE: ANTICHOLlNERGlC

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



DATURA (Jimson Weed, Toloache, Estramonio)

GARRYA (Silk Tassel, Cuauchichic, Quinine Bush)

HYOCYAMUS NlGER (Henbane)

SOLANUM DULCAMARA (Bittersweet Twigs)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

NEUROENDOCRINE: VASOPRESSOMIMETlC

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe, Yohimbe)

LOPHOPHORA (Peyote, Mescal Buttons)

TRIBULUS (Puncture Vine, Goat's Head)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

NEUROENDOCRINE: PITUITARY/HYPOTHALAMIC "POTENTIATING"

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



CENTELLA ASIATICA (Hydrocotyle asiatica, Gotu Kola)

OPLOPANAX HORRIDUM (Echinopanax, Devil's Club)

PANAX GINSENG (Asian Ginseng)

PANAX QUINQUEFOLIUM (American Ginseng)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

NEUROENDOCRINE: THYROID STlMULATlNG

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ACONITUM CARMICHAELI (CURED) (Fu-tse, Fo-tzu)

CENTELLA ASIATlCA (Hydrocotyle asiatica, Gotu Kola)

CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe, Yohimbe)

EPHEDRA VULGARIS (Ma Huang, Chinese Ephedra)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

NEUROENDOCRINE: THYROID DEPRESSING

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



CHLOROPHYLLIN (Sodium Copper Chlorophyllin, Chlorophyll "JJ")

LEONURUS CARDIACA (Motherwort)

LYCOPUS (Bugleweed)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

NEUROENDOCRINE: ALDOSTERONE SYNERGISTS

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



GLYCYRRHIZA GLABRA (Licorice)

MARRUBIUM (Horehound, Marrubio)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

NEUROENDOCRINE: FLAVIN-MAO-INHIBITING

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ACONITUM CARMICHAELI (CURED) (Fu-tse, Fo-tzu)

CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe, Yohimbe)

HYPERICUM (St. Johns Wort)

LOPHOPHORA (Peyote, Mescal Buttons)

PEGANUM HARMALA (Syrian Rue)



/////////////////////////////////

METABOLIC ///////////////////////

/////////////////////////////////



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

METABOLIC: "ANABOLIC"

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ANGELICA SINENSIS (Dong Quai, Tang Kwei)

OPLOPANAX HORRIDUM (Echinopanax. Devil's Club)

PANAX GINSENG (Asian Ginseng)

PANAX QUINQUEFOLIUM (American Ginseng)

PTYCHOPETALUM (Muirapuama, Raiz del Macho)

SMlLAX (Sarsaparilla)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

METABOLIC: ANTICOAGULANTS/"BLOOD THINNING"

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



BETULA (Birch)

CEANOTHUS (Red Root, New Jersey Tea)

CHRYSANTHEMUM PARTHENIUM (Feverfew)

GINKGO BILOBA (Maidenhair Tree)

LEUCANTHEMUM (Chrysanthemum leucanthemum, Oxe-Eye Daisy)

MELILOTUS (Sweet Clover)

POPULUS TREMULIODES (Aspen)

SALIX (Willow)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

METABOLIC: CYANOGENIC POTENTIAL

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



AMYGDALIS PERSICA (Peach Tree)

PRUNUS (Wild Cherry, Choke Cherry)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

METABOLIC: ALLERGIC/ATOPIC POTENTIAL

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ALLIUM SATIVUM (Garlic)

ASAFETIDA (Ferula asafetida, Devil's Dung, Stinkasant)

ASPIDIUM (Dryopteris filix-mas, Male Fern)

CAFFEA ARABICA (Coffee)

LINUM (Flaxseed)

PANAX GINSENG (Asian Ginseng)

PROPOLlS (Beehive scrapings, gathered from trees)

SOLANUM DULCAMARA (Bittersweet Twigs)

YUCCA (Amole, Spanish Bayonet)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

METABOLIC: HYPO-HYPERGLYCEMIC (REACTIVE)

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

ACONITUM CARMICHAEL (CURED) (Fu-tse. Fo-tzu)

BERBERIS (Barberry)

CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe, Yohimbe)

HYDRASTIS (Golden Seal) 

MAHONIA (Oregon Grape, Berberis aquifolium)

PEGANUM HARMALA (Syrian Rue)



/////////////////////////////////

CARDIOVASCULAR SYSTEM (CVS) /////

/////////////////////////////////



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

CVS: CARDIOGLYCOSIDE POTENTIATING

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



APOCYNUM CANNABINUM (Dogbane, Canadian Hemp)

ASCLEPIAS ASPERULA (Inmortal, Antelope Horns)

ASPIDOSPERMA (Quebracho Bark)

CONVALLARIA (Lily of the Valley)

SCOPARIUS (Cytisus scoparius, Broom Tops)

VERATRUM (Green, False or American Hellebore)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

CVS: BRADYCARDIC/HYPOTENSIVE

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ACONITUM COLUMBIANUM (Aconite, Monkshood)

ACTEA RUBRA (Baneberry, Yerba del Peco)

ANEMONE HIRSUTISSIMA (Pulsatilla, Pasque Flower)

ARNICA (A. montana, A. cordifolia, A. latiflora. etc.)

ASCLEPIAS ASPERULA (Inmortal, Antelope Horns)

ASCLEPIAS TUBEROSA (Pleurisy Root)

BRYONIA (Bryony)

CAPSELLA BURSA-PASTORIS (Shepherd's Purse)

CEREUS GRANDIFLORUS (Selenicereus, Peniocereus, Night-Blooming Cereus)

CIMICIFUGA RACEMOSA (Macrotys, Black Cohosh)

CRATAEGUS (Hawthorn)

ESCHSCHOLTZIA CALIFORNICA (California Poppy)

GARRYA (Silk Tassel, Cuauchichic, Quinine Bush)

LOBELIA INFLATA (Lobelia, Indian Tobacco)

PILOCARPUS (Jaborandi)

PRUNUS (Wild Cherry, Choke Cherry)

VERATRUM (Green, False or American Hellebore)

VINCA MAJOR (Periwinkle)

VISCUM ALBUM (European Mistletoe)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

CVS: TACHYCARDIC

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ACONITUM CARMICHAEL (CURED) (Fu-tse. Fo-tzu)

COLA NITIDA (Kola Nut)

CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe. Yohimbe)

EPHEDRA VULGARIS (Ma Huang, Chinese Ephedra)

LOPHOPHORA (Peyote, Mescal Buttons)

NICOTIANA (Punche, Tobacco)

PANAX GINSENG (Cured or Red Chinese, Korean)

SCOPARIUS (Cytisus scoparius, Broom Tops)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

CVS: HYPERTENSIVE POTENTIAL

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ACONITUM CARMICHAELI (CURED) (Fu-tse. Fo-tzu)

ASPIDOSPERMA (Quebracho Bark)

CINCHONA (Peruvian Bark, Quinine Bark)

COLA NITIDA (Kola Nut)

CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe. Yohimbe)

EPHEDRA VULGARIS (Ma Huang, Chinese Ephedra)

GLYCYRRHIZA GLABRA (Licorice)

HYDRASTIS (Golden Seal)

LOPHOPHORA (Peyote, Mescal Buttons)

NICOTIANA (Punche. Tobacco)

PTYCHOPETALUM (Muirapuama, Raiz del Macho)

SCOPARIUS (Cytisus scoparius, Broom Tops)



/////////////////////////////////

PHARMACOKINETICS (PhKs)

/////////////////////////////////



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

PhKs: HERBS THAT CAN ALTER LIVER METABOLlSM OF DRUGS

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ARISTOLOCHIA SERPENTARIA (Virginia Snakeroot, Serpentaria)

ARISTOLOCHIA WATSONll (Indian Root, Raiz del Indio)

ARTEMISIA TRIDENTATA (Sagebrush)   

BERBERIS VULGARIS (Common Barberry)

CEPHALANTHUS (Button Bush)

CHELIDONIUM (Greater Celandine)

CHELONE (Balmony,. Turtlehead)

CHIONANTHUS (Fringetree)

EUONYMUS (Wahoo, Burning Bush)

HYDRASTIS (Golden Seal)

IRIS VERSICOLOR, I. MISSOURIENSIS (Blue Flag)

LEPTANDRA (Veronicastrum, Culver's Root)

MAHONIA (Oregon Grape, Algerita)

PODOPHYLLUM. (American Mandrake)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

PhKs: HERBS THAT CAN ALTER GI ABSORPTION

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



AESCULUS CALIFORNICA (California Buckeye)  

AESCULUS GLABRA (Ohio Buckeye)

AESCULUS HIPPOCASTANUM (Horse Chestnut)

ALOE (Aloes Socrotine, etc.)

ARCTOSTAPHYLOS (Uva Ursi, Manzanita, Bearberry)

CAPSICUM (Cayenne, African Bird Peppers)

CHLOROPHYLLIN (Sodium Copper Chlorophyllin, Chlorophyll "JJ")

EPHEDRA VIRIDIS (Mormon Tea, American Ephedra, Canutillo, Popotillo)

FRANGULA (Rhamnus frangula, Buckthorn)

MIRABILIS MULTIFLORUM (Maravilla)

PTELEA (Wafer Ash, Hop Tree)

RHAMNUS CALIFORNICA (California Buckthorn)

RHAMNUS FRANGULA (Buckthorn)

RHAMNUS PURSHIANA (Cascara Sagrada)

SENNA (Cassia angustifolia, Te de Sena )

YUCCA (Amole, Spanish Bayonet)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

PhKs: IMMUNOSTIMULANT HERBS THAT CAN RAISE WBC COUNT

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ARISTOLOCHIA SERPENTARIA (Virginia Snakeroot, Serpentaria )

ARISTOLOCHIA WATSONll (Indian Root, Raiz del Indio)

BAPTISIA (Wild Indigo Root)

COMMIPHORA (Myrrh Gum)

GUAIACUM OFFICINALE (Lignum Vitae, Guayacan)

POLYMNIA UVEDALIA (Bearsfoot, Leafcup)



/////////////////////////////////

HEPATIC /////////////////////////

/////////////////////////////////





<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

HEPATIC: HERBS THAT CAN ALTER SGOT/SGPT READINGS

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ANAGALLIS (Scarlet Pimpernel)

EUONYMUS (Wahoo, Burning Bush)

LINARIA (Toad Flax. Butter-and-Eggs)

MAHONIA (Oregon Grape, Algerita)

SILYBUM MARIANUM (Milk Thistle)



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

HEPATIC: PYRROLIZIDINE ALKALOID HERBS

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



CACALIA DECOMPOSITA (Maturin, Maturique)

CNICUS BENEDICTUS (Blessed or Holy Thistle) (if adulterated)

CYNOGLOSSUM OFFICINALIS (Hound's Tongue)

HELENIUM HOOPESll (Yerba del Lobo, Orange Sneezeweed)

SENECIO AUREUS (Life Root, Squaw Weed) (if adulterated)

SYMPHYTUM (Comfrey) (certain hybrids)



/////////////////////////////////

HERB-SPECIFIC PROBLEMS //////////

/////////////////////////////////



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

HERBS WITH MISCONCEPTIONS

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ALETRIS FARINOSA (Star Grass, "True" Unicorn Root) Confused with

Helonias

     (Chamaelirium), an HCG agonist and reproductive stimulant.

Aletris

     is only a digestive stimulant

ANGELICA SINENSIS (Dong Quai, Tang Kwei)  NOT a source of exogenous 

     estrogen, it instead increases utilization of ENDOGENOUS

estrogens

ARNICA (A. montana. A. cordifolia, A. latiflora. etc.) Unsafe for

internal

     use, it can be confused with HETEROTHECA (Mexican Arnica)

CAPSICUM (Cayenne, African Bird Peppers) Not a tonic or

immunostimulant,

     it acts as a peripheral vasodilator, increasing blood supply to

the

     skin and mucosa.  It is NOT appropriate for active inflammation.

CEREUS GRANDIFLORUS (Selenicereus, Peniocereus, Night-Blooming Cereus)

     NOT a digitalis-like cardioactive, it moderates SA-AV

depolarization

     and lessens adrenergic or drug tachycardia.  NOT for organic

disease

CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe, Yohimbe)  An especially pernicious

herb

     with simultaneous sympathetic AND parasympathetic actions.  It

will

     mimic vasopressin and can irritate the kidneys; it increases

pelvic

     blood supply and can aggravate reproductive, GU, and descending

colon

     irritations; it can irritate arterial endothelium and contribute

to

     or cause vasculitis.  Lousy for the prostate, it CAN trigger a

few

     and relatively useless erections, followed by rebound

re-flaccidity.

DIOSCOREA VlLLOSA (Wild Yam) It has NO PROGESTERONE, or any other

steroid

     hormone.  The first generation of synthetic steroids was made

using

     diosgenin (from MEXICAN Yam) and the Marker Degradation Method.

By

     the mid-1950's stigmasterol (a soy-derived lipoid) took its

place, 

     and other methods are now used.  It contains NO

"precursors"...the

     only true human steroid precursor is low-density cholesterol OR

some

     other steroid hormone.  Wild Yam creams usually contain synthetic

     Natural Progesterone.

EPHEDRA VULGARIS (Ma Huang, Chinese Ephedra) Although a useful and

less

     edgy source of ephedrine, it is almost totally used these days as

an

     "anorectic" or "safe" stimulant.  Most people view CNS stimulants

by

     comparison with caffeine sources...a 3-4 hour buzz.  Ephedrine

     lasts 7-8 hours, is more adrenergic, and it is easy to overlap

the

     doses without being aware of the vascular and pulmonary stress.

In

     addition, with extended serum levels, tolerance to CNS effects

can be

     quick (although other effects stay somewhat level) and an

individual

     can quickly creep up in dosage.  Dangerous in this context.

GINKGO BILOBA (Maidenhair Tree) A peripheral and cerebral vasodilator,

it

     helps those with impaired circulation.  It is often sold,

however, as

     an aid to "intelligence" and is often used by students when

cramming

     for tests, etc.  Under these misguided uses it causes many

headaches

HETEROTHECA (Camphor Weed, Mexican Arnica)  See ARNICA

HYPERICUM (St. John's Wort)  Several preliminary tests implicated it

as an

     anti-viral for HIV.  These were overturned in subsequent tests

but

     the reputation still lingers.  It IS useful for helping some of

the

     CNS symptoms of AIDS, but because of it's antidepressant effects,

NOT

     because it is antiviral.

LARREA (Chaparral, Gobernadora, Creosote Bush) It should not be

considered

     as a liver irritant, despite several inexplicable cases.  It IS

an

     hepatic depressant (excessive antioxidant activities) and CAN

cause

     hemolytic-type responses if it is used well above it's

therapeutic

     window.

LOBELIA INFLATA (Lobelia, Indian Tobacco)  Fresh preparations of this

herb

     show broad, many-layered stimulus of adrenergic-suppressed

parasympa-

     thetic functions.  Dry, but unheated Lobelia retains some of this

     function.  By the time it is used for tea ONLY the emetic

alkaloids

     are still intact, and it has little other value.

PHYTOLACCA (Poke) Although useful (with a skillful touch) in depressed

     metabolism and edematous adipose tissues (the "Pillsbury Dough 

     Person" syndrome), it has NO fat-reducing effects, is easily

toxic,

     and it's reputation comes from being used for hypothyroid,

goitrous

     conditions 100 years ago...in the Goiter Belt.

SENECIO AUREUS (Life Root, Squaw Weed)  This native Eastern United

States

     wildflower seems to be beneficial for functional hypoestrogenic

     states, and has a reliable place, at least in herbal therapy.  It

is

     also fairly unique as a Senecio: it is devoid of toxic

pyrrolizidine

     alkaloids.  MOST of the herb on the market, however, is either S.

     vulgaris or a similar Senecio.  I don't know how the confusion

came

     about.  They are not particularly similar in appearance, but many

     otherwise reliable texts consider them interchangeable.  In fact

they

     are VERY dissimilar in constituents.  The OTHER Senecios are VERY



     high in the toxic group.  Know the plant or the picker, otherwise

     avoid this remedy and stick with something like Dong Quai.

SILYBUM MARIANUM (Milk Thistle) There are HUNDREDS of reliable

biologic

     and medical studies that support this plant's seeds' value for

     Amanita mushroom poisoning, lessening the toxicity of heavy

metals

     (if taken soon enough) and quickening CNS and hepatic

regeneration in

     solvent or alcohol detox.  Like Ginkgo, however, you NEED a

problem

     to get benefit.  Without an ongoing stress, using Silybum or it's

     extracted silymarins on general principle can actually depress

normal

     liver function

VISCUM ALBUM (European Mistletoe) Without attempting to comment on the

     European use (from the Rudolph Steiner hospitals) of Mistletoe (I



     don't know enough), the fact is that the dried herb is SOMETIMES

not

     European but American Mistletoe (Phoradendron spp.), a VERY

different

     plant altogether (at least pharmacologically), with almost

pernicious

     vaso-constrictive effects.



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

HERBS WITH HIDDEN or THRESHOLD EFFECTS

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



CANNABIS SATIVA (Marijuana. Hemp) It can be a strong

estrogen-synergist,

     shortening the estrus cycle in women, antagonizing testosterone

in

     men (or being synergistic with adipose estradiols)...bad for any

     prostate condition.

DAUCUS CAROTA (Carrot, Wild Carrot)  Sometimes used as a

contraceptive, it

     contains aromatics that, in large enough quantities, can

exaggerate

     uterine inflammation.

EQUISETUM ARVENSE (Horsetail) If growing in areas downstream of

commercial

     farming, inorganic nitrates are metabolized into abnormal

nicotine-

     like alkaloids.

HYDRASTIS (Golden Seal) A mucus-membrane stimulant, useful for

congested

     and subacute stages, it can CAUSE inflammation if not needed, can

     prematurely age the placenta, and, since it is threatened in the

wild

     and cultivation is still marginal, its use is rarely moral.

VALERIANA (Valerian)  The dried plant, used consistently for a period

of

     time, can induce "Valerianism", a state of emotional lability

similar

     to what was formerly encountered with bromide abuse.  The

condition

     reverses quickly if the Valerian is stopped.



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

HERBS LACKING ANY SOCIALLY REDEEMING VALUE

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



ARTEMISIA ABSINTHIUM (Wormwood)

CINCHONA (Peruvian Bark. Quinine Bark)

CORYNANTHE (Pausinystalia Johimbe, Yohimbe)

EPHEDRA VULGARIS (Ma Huang. Chinese Ephedra)

GALEGA (Goat's Rue)

RUTA GRAVEOLENS (Rue, Ruda)

TANACETUM (Tansy)



POST NOTE: These opinions are mine; they reflect my experiences with

these plants, as a merchant, wildcrafter, author and teacher.  They

are

not exhaustive, many are disagreed with by other herbalists,

naturopaths

and those in pharmacy...I have enemies in ALL the camps.  

    Crudely put, there is no better method to "Brown Nose" a group of

medical professionals than by offering long lists of "Side Effects",

thereby confirming their worst fears about what herbs do.  The major 

medical journals (NEJofM and Lancet excluded) jerk the chains of

readers

by offering ill-researched, anecdotal and slanderous "exposes" of

herbs

and natural healing, using the shoddiest of peer-review procedures.

Not

only are there frequent REAL mistakes (wrong botany, pharmacy, etc.),

but

the normally fastidious standards of medical reporting are completely

ignored in many of these articles.  It is as if the MEANS are

unimportant, 

as long as the RESULTS meet political-medical preconceptions.

     Politics be damned; there are potential dangers mixing herbs and

medicine.  Unfortunately, as previously mentioned, they often have

little

relationship to those that could be expected from purely chemical

causes.

I am trying to be practical and realistic.  Although, as an herbalist,

it

is obvious where my heart lies, I am making NO attempt to slant my

list

towards either end of the Wholistic vs Medical dialectic.

     I am concerned about the patients.

     

     

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Medical Contraindications

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:19:22 GMT



On Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:21:51 GMT, in alt.folklore.herbs clemens@bart.nl (Clemens

WP Bergenhenegouwen) wrote:



>Here a copy of the Michael Moore list of

>Herbal Medical Contraindications.



Sigh. Why didn't you just post the URL?

Here it is, for those of you who want to have a look at the either this one or

the OTHER manuals on site: 

  http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE 



For those of you who don't dance on the web all files on above website are also

available in my ftp space (see .sig).



(I think it's EXCEEDINGLY rude to post something a whole file any kind of hint

of where you got it from - especially if it's taken straight off a website).



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Spastic Colon

From: protech@192.168.8.1 (Gavin & Helen)

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:53:14 GMT



Any ideas for alleviating the pain associated with this condition?







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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Spastic Colon

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:18:12 GMT

--------

protech@192.168.8.1 (Gavin & Helen) wrote:



>Any ideas for alleviating the pain associated with this condition?



Enteric coated peppermint oil capsules.



If this is a case of IBS, see my post called Diet and Supplement Tips

and follow the Digestion/Elimination regimen of taking turmeric and

fennel seeds.  If it is not cured within three weeks, add the

Antiparasitic regimen.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Spastic Colon

From: solodoc@aol.com

Date: 26 Nov 1996 19:29:24 GMT



I have had good results using digestive enzymes. E Mail me for more info





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ear ache/ear wax removal

From: Clare Smith <csmith.denver@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:25:00 -0700



Does anyone have a suggestion on removing ear wax safely?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Clare Smith <csmith.denver@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ear ache/ear wax removal

From: Katherine J Jendral <smafrin+@pitt.edu>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 10:38:02 -0500



On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Clare Smith wrote:



> Does anyone have a suggestion on removing ear wax safely?

> 

> 

 My roomates and I were talking about this over the weekend.  The

Healthfood store near our house sells these paper funnel things that you

stick in your ear and light.  I forgot what they're called, but they're

not normal paper.  They're coated with some special wax or something so

they are less likely to singe hair I guess...

Apparentally, when it's lit, the heat draws the wax out of the ear.

Someone here should know what I'm talking about... I think they're called

ear candles, but I'm not too sure... if you go to a local herb/health

shoppe, they should be able to help you out.



-Kate

:)  







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ear ache/ear wax removal

From: Big John <johnengr@netlabs.net>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 09:46:42 -0800



Clare Smith wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have a suggestion on removing ear wax safely?



  I'm not a doctor but I have had a few problems from swimming.  I've learned that if 

you don't have a major problem and there is no infection you can try one of the kits 

that you can purchase in a drug store.  I've cleaned my ears a couple of times.  Here 

are the basic steps:



  1.  Soften the wax by putting a few drops of mineral oil in each ear three times a day 

for 3 days or so.  The kits I mentioned above come with their own drops, but mineral oil 

is cheaper and works just as well.



  2.  Fill a large bowl with warm water.  The water you squirt into your ears must be 

near body temperature.  If it's not you can get a brief but bad case of vertigo.



  3.  Using the bulb syrenge that comes with kit, squirt the warm water into each ear.  

Never use the shower for this.  The pressure is too high.  Also never put the tip of the 

bulb syrenge directly to your ear.  There needs to be some room for the water to exit.

  It may take quite a lot of rinsing to get the wax out - take your time.



  4.  You can dry some of the excess water out of your ear with a hair dryer set on low.



  If you are doing this for the first time it's best to go to a doctor.  After that you 

can probably handle removing the wax if it doesn't get out of hand.



                                       Hope this helps,

                                       Big John





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lupus

From: DSJM <sdm@enterprise.net>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:19:14 +0000



Can anyone tell me what herbs are good for relieving the symptoms of

Lupus Erythematosus? Please email me on   sdm@enterprise.net

Thanks!

Sarah





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Yeast infections

From: "(:- Jennifer -:)" <jthorn1@gl.umbc.edu>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:57:00 -0500



any suggestions or remedies? 



Greatly appreciated..thanks!



Jen











                       

                         







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Yeast infections

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:46:00 GMT



On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, "(:- Jennifer -:)" <jthorn1@gl.umbc.edu> wrote:



>any suggestions or remedies? 



There is this page of annotated links:



  The Candida Page:      http://www.panix.com/~candida/



And there is a mailing list dedicated to yeast, fungus and candida at:

LISTSERV@PSUHMC.HMC.PSU.EDU. To join, send a message to the listserv with

SUB YEAST-L your name in the body of the message.



Don.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Yeast infections

From: jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz)

Date: 27 Nov 1996 00:10:30 GMT



(:- Jennifer -:) (jthorn1@gl.umbc.edu) wrote:

: any suggestions or remedies? 

: 

: Greatly appreciated..thanks!

: 

: Jen

: 

I use pau d'arco capsules (orally).  seems to help alot. --Judy: 

: 

: 

: 

:                        

:                          

: 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Yeast infections

From: "Howard J. Hickman, Ph. D." <hickman@itasca.cems.umn.edu>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 04:59:02 -0600



(:- Jennifer -:) wrote:

> 

> any suggestions or remedies?

> 

> Greatly appreciated..thanks!

> 

> Jen

> 

> 

> 

Drinking 1/2 cup of hydrogen peroxide solution (just strong enough to

less than objectional) always gets rid of systemic infections for me.

Good luck

-- 





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help for poor circulation...

From: aq652@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Donna Shaw)

Date: 25 Nov 1996 03:58:44 GMT







(Posted for a friend)



Subject: Doctors Strike



My wife Evelyb recently was

afflicted by what seems to be poor blood circulation in her arms.

It is very painful especially at night. Her doctor referred her to

a specialist with whom the nurse tried to arrange an appointment as

soon as possible. The specialist declined to accept her because

Evelyn is defined by him as a new patient. The nurse then sought to

find other specialists in the same field but all declined for the

same reason.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

To: Donna Shaw <aq652@FreeNet.Carleton.CA>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for poor circulation...

From: Sunbeam <sunbeam@osb.net>

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 12:48:29 -0800



Donna Shaw wrote:

> 

> (Posted for a friend)

> 

> Subject: Doctors Strike

> 

> My wife Evelyb recently was

> afflicted by what seems to be poor blood circulation in her arms.

> It is very painful especially at night. Her doctor referred her to

> a specialist with whom the nurse tried to arrange an appointment as

> soon as possible. The specialist declined to accept her because

> Evelyn is defined by him as a new patient. The nurse then sought to

> find other specialists in the same field but all declined for the

> same reason.



Well that's not really nice of doctors to do...and i thought they were

supposed to help us....sheesh..well, anyway, here is something i found

by searching through metacrawler (http://www.metacrawler.com) under poor

circulation herb...



http://www.healthherbs.com/sing165.htm

PRICKLEY ASH



Prickly Ash is an excellent circulatory stinmulant; 

although it is slower working than Cayenne, its effects 

are longer lasting. The berries contain the volatile oil 

and are more active in stimulating circulation. As a 

general stimulant, it is beneficial for cold extremities, 

cold joints, rheumatism, arthritis, lethargy, and slow-

healing wounds. It is a blood purifier, useful for skin 

diseases and accumualtions in the joints. It is 

warming to the stomach, strengthening to the digestion, 

and beneficial for colic, cramps, flatulence, and poor 

digestion. It is often mixed with carminatives when 

used for the digestive system. Prickly Ash is a great 

herb to use with formulas for breaking fevers. The 

powdered bark may be chewed for toothaches. It

may be used as a poultice to heal and dry wounds.



http://www.televar.com/alpha/elixer.html

(near the bottom of the page)

THE MAJOR USES OF GINKGO:



Brain function 

     Decreased blood flow to the brain can adversely affect memory,

     concentration, intellectual ability, vision, equilibrium and

balance. It may also

     lead to symptoms such as headaches, depression, mental confusion.

Stroke

     can occur because of lack of blood flow and oxygen to brain tissue.

Ginkgo is

     used to prevent and even treat all of these conditions. 

Circulation disorders 

     Peripheral vascular disease may cause poor circulation in the legs,

making

     walking difficult. It may also cause poor circulation to the skin,

heart and

     other organs. 

Hearing disorders 

     Ringing in the ears (tinnitus), disturbance of balance, dizziness

(vertigo),

     sudden hearing loss and hearing weakness may all result from lack

of proper

     blood circulation. These conditions can also be caused by free

radical damage.

Eye disorders 

     The retina may be damaged by free radicals, hemorrhage (as in

senile macular

     degeneration) and perhaps restricted curculation due to stress. 

Senility and Alzheimers 

     Ginkgo protects against brain weakness, improves blood circulation

and

     protects against free radical damage. 



 GINKGO'S EFFECTS ON THE BODY (Technical Stuff):



     Improves the condition of the blood. Thins the blood viscosity and

lowers

     platelet adhesiveness; protects red blood cells by stabilizing

their membranes;

     increases blood vessel tone; stabilizes capillary permeability. 

     Free-radical scavenger. Protects cell membranes in the brain and

other

     tissues throughout the body against free-radical damage. Cell

membranes are

     particularly sensitive to free-radical damage, which can lead to

destruction of

     the entire cell. 

     Increases the uptake and utilization of oxygen and glucose in

tissues

     throughout the body. 

     Increases blood flow to the brain and extremities. 

     Regulates or increases brain metabolism. This counteracts

depression. 

     Regulates neurotransmitters. This helps against memory loss,

depression

     and senility. 

     Protects myelin. Protects the covering on nerves against some kinds

of

     damage. 

     Protects hearing. Helps protect against and even restore impaired

hearing,

     especially when due to damage from loud noise or infection. 

     Shows anti-bacterial and anti-candida activity. 



     For more detailed information on Ginkgo, please read "Ginkgo,

Elixir of

     Youth" by Christopher Hobbs. If you would like to try out Ginkgo

yourself,

     please consider Dr. Earl Mindell's Memory Mate with Organic Ginkgo

Biloba

     Green Leaf Extract. Dr. Mindell's formulation includes additional

Brain

     Activation Factors including club moss tea, fo-ti root, ginger

root, gotu kola,

     schizandra, siberian ginseng, with DMAE and other Vitamins and

Minerals.



Hope this helps some

Brightest Blessings

Sunbeam





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: need folklore info. on purple cornflower & foxglove

From: dougenik@gis.net

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 04:25:40 GMT



I'm  looking  for info. on the folklore and history of the purple

cornflower & foxglove for a college report. Please e-mail.  Any info

would be greatly appreciated.



	Thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: need folklore info. on purple cornflower & foxglove

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:54:36 -0600







On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 dougenik@gis.net wrote:



> I'm  looking  for info. on the folklore and history of the purple

> cornflower & foxglove for a college report. Please e-mail.  Any info

> would be greatly appreciated.

> 

> 	Thanks

> 

> 

I think you mean purple coneflower - and we usually don't do research for 

school papers - that's part of your assignment, to do the research. 



But, try http://www.herbweb.com, lots of good crossreferences and 

pictures. 



Cissy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: need folklore info. on purple cornflower & foxglove

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 25 Nov 1996 22:37:34 GMT



In article <32991db8.9867617@snews2.zippo.com>, dougenik@gis.net writes:



>I'm  looking  for info. on the folklore and history of the purple

>cornflower & foxglove for a college report. Please e-mail.  Any info

>would be greatly appreciated.



Green Pharmacy by Barbara Griggs

History of the development of Western herbal medicine.  Information on

cornflower, its use by the Thomsonian herbalists (19th c.) as well as a

whole chapter on foxglove.  



Historical herbals such as Culpeper or Dr. O. Phelps Brown's The Complete

Herbalist should also help.  Many of these are still in print or available

on the Web.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: have Trichocerus panachoi

From: a027919t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Garth Miller)

Date: 25 Nov 1996 05:03:00 GMT



The sacred st. peters cactus for sale

all interested parties please e mail me



--



Garth Miller

a027919t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Also have catha edulis

From: a027919t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us (Garth Miller)

Date: 25 Nov 1996 05:05:35 GMT



thats right

the famous sacred egyptian catha

known to the africans as the soma plant

live plants for sale, for thanksgiving



--



Garth Miller

a027919t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bilberry for Retinas?

From: "Juanita R. Alvarez" <jalvarez@tophat.pima.gov>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 07:12:50 +0000



Hi Everyone,

     I have a question.  I recently read about bilberry and how it is

suppose to help strengthen the retina.  What exactly does it mean when

it saids 'strengthen'.  I have thinning retinas, I already had surgery

for a small tear and if I can take an herb that would help my retinas in

someway that would be far better than the doctor's promise of future

surgeries.

     Thanks for any help.



		Juanita, Saavik, Kira and Ezmeralda







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: request for herbal recipes for book in progress for rodale

From: tina beneman <tinab@erols.com>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 12:25:39 +0000



I am writing several chapters for Rodale's upcoming "Great Garden Formulas."  The book 

consists of recipes shared by experienced gardeners and professional experts. I would be 

most appreciative of your contributions on the following topics: 	herbal vinegars...dried 

herb blends for cooking..herb teas..salad dressings ..potpourris.. soaps.. candles.. 

incense.. air fresheners..natural dyes..poison ivy remedies..hand creams.. lotions.. 

sunburn soothers... biting insect repellents..flea, moth, fly and ant repellents.



I can also submit entries on general organic garden formulas, such as fertilizer recipes, 

potting soil mixes, etc.



Published tips will receive a free copy of the book due out in 1998.



Thanks in advance for your support.



Happy Thanksgiving!



Tina James



P.S. Please send tips directly to me at tinab@erols.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: request for herbal recipes for book in progress for rodale

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 17:43:20 GMT



>I am writing several chapters for Rodale's upcoming "Great Garden Formulas."  The book 

>consists of recipes shared by experienced gardeners and professional experts. I would be 

>most appreciative of your contributions on the following topics: 	herbal vinegars...dried 

>herb blends for cooking..herb teas..salad dressings ..potpourris.. soaps.. candles.. 

>incense.. air fresheners..natural dyes..poison ivy remedies..hand creams.. lotions.. 

>sunburn soothers... biting insect repellents..flea, moth, fly and ant repellents.

Tina-



Check out our web site. We have an antique garden book now in Acrobat

format with information you wouldn't think would be in there. Plus

there is many other rare classics you might find for your research,

such as antique herbals, Materia Medica, etc..



Margie

Margie's Rare Books

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ouch! Help!

From: Mitzy Dew <mdew@wizzards.net>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:05:21 -0800



Went to the dentist and had two wisdom teeth pulled this a.m. Any 

suggestions to speed healing?

Reply here, my e-mail is down. Thanks.

Mitzy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ouch! Help!

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 26 Nov 1996 05:55:02 -0700



Mitzy Dew <mdew@wizzards.net> wrote:



>Went to the dentist and had two wisdom teeth pulled this a.m. Any 

>suggestions to speed healing?

healing depends a great deal on keeping the blood clot intact,

because it provides the scaffold for new tissue:



DON'T !!!! 

  use a straw ... it can suck the clot out of the socket and slow

healing

  Drink any carbonated beverages ... it can damage the clot

  Eat things with lumps or crunchy bits ... they can get into the



hole where the tooth was and cause all kinds of pain

  Take aspirin, ibuprophen or any "natural" stuff unless you are

certain, backed up by good research, that it doesn't have any

anticoagulant effect (willow, ginseng, and some other herbs can

interfere with clotting, and healing)

 

DO - 

Lie on the couch and moan softly while your family caters to you

.. with luck you can get a whole weekend of sympathy.

   eat smooth foods, and drink lukewarm liquids.  Consider this

an unplanned liquid diet.

   Alternate warm and cold compresses on the jaw to help the

muscles relax (they've been overstretched and will be stiff for a

few days)

  Rinse your mouth with warm salt water a couple times a day,

very gently.

  Take acetominophen (tylenol) even with codeine if it's really

painful.  The stress of pain interferes with healing)







Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | http://www.writepage.com

                          | Genre Fiction Publicity









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ouch! Help!

From: Rare Digital Books

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:32:56 GMT



On 26 Nov 1996 05:55:02 -0700, callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:



>Mitzy Dew <mdew@wizzards.net> wrote:

>

>>Went to the dentist and had two wisdom teeth pulled this a.m. Any 

>>suggestions to speed healing?

If it was me I would gargle frequently with good ol sage tea and drink

some. An indian medicine man told me about this years ago. He claims

it works every time. Tried it myself (all I ever used) and told others

about it and it did work every time. Try adding a little raw lemon

juice and salt to taste for a little better flavor. 



Margie

http://www.alice.net/pers/antiqque.htm

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ouch! Help!

From: 9643bargholz@vms.csd.mu.edu (Jeananne R. Bargholz)

Date: 28 Nov 1996 14:54:35 GMT



In article <57epb6$8vo@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, callie@writepage.com (Callie) writes:

>Mitzy Dew <mdew@wizzards.net> wrote:

>

>>Went to the dentist and had two wisdom teeth pulled this a.m. Any 

>>suggestions to speed healing?



>  Rinse your mouth with warm salt water a couple times a day,

>very gently.



I wholeheartedly agree with the salt water rinse.  Put a 

salt shaker in the bathroom.  Everytime you go in there - to

wash your hands, to look in the mirror -- whatever -- rinse!

It helped me tremendously!  Do this for at least a week after

any stitches are pulled.  Very cleansing; very healing.



Best wishes.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Recommend Chinese herb website?

From: herblady@super.zippo.com (Rastapoodle)

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 16:50:13 GMT



Greetings:

Can anyone direct me to a website where I can research the latin and Chinese names of

herbs prescribed by Chinese herb doctors?  Also, is there a place to order these herbs on

the web?

Gracias...

                                     Anya {{{~.~}}} 

                           Herblady@super.zippo.com

        Organic Gardening Magazine Zone 10 (Miami) Writer

    Garden designer ~ herbalist ~ aromatherapist ~ reggae lover

             *****"you gotta lively up yourself" -- Bob Marley*****

           ******************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Culinary Herb list

From: Maureen Granat <msuextmg@up.net>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:34:58 -0500



Am looking for a culinary herb list  on line, which indicates each herb

and what it is used for in cooking.  Thank you.



Maureen G.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Devil's Claw, advice Please

From: david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com

Date: 26 Nov 1996 00:12:06 GMT



I have researched Devil's Claw to be an antiinflammatory agent that helps in 

arthritis cases.  



Does Devil's Claw have any contraindications?  Is it safe over time, how much, 

etc?  I cannot find anything to the contrary, and in fact have found it to also aid

in liver issues too so I assume it is relatively safe, but can anyone expand on this?



thank you in advance, david hughes





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Devil's Claw, advice Please

From: lsanc26051@aol.com

Date: 26 Nov 1996 07:40:32 GMT



We sell herbs and spices in NM and we have alot of people who buy Una de

Gato (Cat's Claw) from us.  Some use it after chemo therapy for cancer,

for arthritis and several other things.  We have searched alot for info

and it is very hard to find.  We finally found a little booklet called

'Cat's Claw' , by Rita Elkins and printed by Woodland Health Series,  ISBN

 # 1-885670-19-2.  The very last paragraph says, "C>C> is nothing less

than a wondet herb.  Scientific studies have proven its medical worth.  It

should be used not only to treat a variety of modern day diseases, but as

a preventative supplement as well.  What Peruvian Indians have know for

generations should be shared with the rest of the world in our struggle to

conquer disease and maintain health."  Hope this helps alittle.  Louise,

Nature's Flavorings





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Devil's Claw, advice Please

From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 11:24:41 GMT



lsanc26051@aol.com wrote:



>We sell herbs and spices in NM and we have alot of people who buy Una de

>Gato (Cat's Claw) from us. 

>  Louise,

>Nature's Flavorings



Louise:

Cat's Claw (Unicaria tomentosa) and Devil's Claw (Harpagophytum

procumbens) are not related. Though they both seem to have an effect

as an anti-inflammatory.



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Devil's Claw, advice Please

From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:46:39 GMT



david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com wrote:



>Does Devil's Claw have any contraindications?  Is it safe over time, how much, 

>etc?  I cannot find anything to the contrary, and in fact have found it to also aid

>in liver issues too so I assume it is relatively safe, but can anyone expand on this?

>thank you in advance, david hughes



David, here's a small reference file I have, they both support your

research.

 Devils Claw



Harpagophytum procumbens

Pedaliaceae



Habitat : Indigenous to Southern and Eastern Africa.

Collection : This plant grows in Africa in very arid conditions.

 The roots are collected at the end of the rainy season.

Part Used : Rhizome.



Constituents : o Iridoid glycosides, including harpagide, 

             harpagoside and procumbide   

          o Flavonoids, mainly kaempferol and luteolin glycosides   

          o Phenolic acids; chlorogenic and cinnamic acid   

          o A quinone, harpagoquinone   

          o Miscellaneous; triterpenes, oleanolic & ursolic acid 

             derivatives, esters, sugars.



Actions : Anti-inflammatory, anodyne, hepatic.

Indications : This valuable plant has been found effective in the

treatment of some cases of arthritis. This action appears to be due to

the presence of a glycoside called harpagoside that reduces

inflammation in the joints. Unfortunately Devils Claw is not always

effective, but it is well worth considering in cases of arthritis

where there is inflammation and pain. This plant also aids in liver

and gall-bladder complaints.



Combinations :  With Celery Seed, Bogbean or Meadowsweet in the

treatment of arthritis.

Preparations & Dosage : Decoction: put l/2 - l teaspoonful of the

rhizome into a cup of  water, bring it to the boil and simmer for

l0-l5 minutes. This should be  drunk three times a day. It should be

continued for at least one month. Tincture: take l-2 ml of the

tincture three times a day.



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From German Commission_E

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Devil's claw (Harpagophytum procumbens)

Uses:  The root of the devil's claw plant stimulates appetite, eases

upset stomach and indigestion, and is used in the treatment of

degenerative disorders of the locomotor systems.  Devil's claw

stimulates the production of bile and has some anti-inflammatory and

analgesic properties, which makes devil's claw useful for some cases

of rheumatoid arthritis.  Dosage (unless otherwise prescribed):  For

loss of appetite, take to 1.5 grams of the root or equivalent

preparations per day.  For  other symptoms, take up to 4.5 grams of

the drug or equivalent preparations per day.



Contraindications:  If you have gastric or duodenal ulcers or

gallstones, do not use devil's claw until you have consulted your

health care practitioner. 

Interactions with other drugs:  None known.  

Side effects:  None known.

--------------------------------------------------------------



Don



Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer,sci.med.diseases.cancer,sci.med.immunology,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chemotherapy drugs causing cancer

From: abg21@dial.pipex.com (Nick Hunter)

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 02:36:46 +0000



<ad545@lafn.org> wrote:



> >   glynnw@north.island.net (Glynn Williams) writes:

> >  On 22 Nov 1996 18:18:40 GMT, ad545@lafn.org wrote:



> >  Chemotherapy drugs also can directly cause cancer, and

> >  there is a much greater chance of reccurrance.



> What evidence do you have that chemo causes cancer?  

> Where did you hear this?  From someone trying to sell 

> you alternative unproven therapies? What alternative 

> treatment "worked" for you?





Ed, here is what the "Textbook of Adverse Drug Reactions" has to say on

the subject of chemotherapy agents causing subsequent cancer:



START QUOTE 1



CYTOTOXIC THERAPY OF MALIGNANT TUMOURS



"A few cases have been reported in which the patient developed acute

leukaemia 1-5 years after treatment of malignant disease in other

tissues with cytotoxic agents, usually in combination. It is of course

necessary to point out that, in general, cytotoxic agents are used for

patients with advanced cancers, often unsuitable for any other form of

therapy; and that it is well known that patients who have been treated

successfully for cancer are rather more likely than others to develop a

further primary tumour; but the possibility of cancer induction by the

chemotherapeutic agents administered cannot be completely excluded

(Greenspan and Tung 1974, Perlman and Walker 1973, Davis et al 1973,

Stott et al, 1977). 



The practice, which is increasing, of using long-term cytotoxic

chemotherapy, hormone therapy, or both, 'prophylactically' in patients

already treated for apparently localized breast cancer with the

intention of avoiding the development of metastases after a period of

some years, may be found eventually to contribute to the development of

future primary tumours".



END QUOTE1



Source: Davies DM (ed), 1985. Textbook of Adverse Drug Reactions, 3rd

edition, p.609. Oxford University Press, p 609







Further guidance is available in the chapter on Iatrogenic Neoplasia by

GE Diggle in: D'Arcy PF & Griffin JP (eds), 1986. Iatrogenic Diseases,

3rd edition, pp 820-826. Oxford University Press.



START QUOTE 2



NEOPLASIA FOLLOWING THE USE OF CYTOTOXIC AND IMMUNOSUPPRESSANT AGENTS



"Many antineoplastic drugs are themselves carcinogenic. Some of these

compounds have come to be employed in non-neoplastic diseases; for

example, the alkylating agent cyclophosphamide has been used in

psoriasis, rheumatoid arthritis, systemic lupus erythematosus, Sjgren's

syndrome, and other conditions. 



Some anticancer agents have also been used for immunosuppression in

organ transplantation; again, cyclophosphamide is an example. Finally,

several compounds, other than antineoplastic agents and steroids, have

been found recently to possess significant immunosuppressant actions in

their own right; the T-lymphocyte suppressor cyclosporin-A is the

best-known example. Drugs which fall into one or more of the above

categories, and which are associated with new neoplasia, are dealt with

in this section.



Among the cytotoxic agents, it appears to be the antimetabolites (and

particularly methotrexate) which carry the least carcinogenic risk.

However it is now clear (International Agency for Research on Cancer

1979,1982) that the alkylating agents (e.g. cyclophosphamide,

carmustine, and chlorambucil), some antitumour antibiotics (e.g.

doxorubicin, bleomycin, and mitomycin-C), and individual compounds (e.g.

cisplatin and procarbazine) are known or suspected carcinogens.



Treatment for Hodgkin's disease followed by new neoplasia



A survey conducted in Italy by Valagussa et al. (1980) investigated a

total of 764 patients with Hodgkin's disease treated with radiotherapy,

chemotherapy, or both; they were reviewed 3-186 months (median 43

months) after initial treatment to assess the incidence of second

malignancies. Incidences of solid tumours and acute non-lymphoblastic

leukaemia (ANLL) were calculated by a life-table method and percentages

of patients affected derived from life-table plots.



Within 10 years after initial treatment the overall incidence of second

solid tumours was 7.3 per cent and over a comparable period 2.4 per cent

of patients developed ANLL. Solid tumours occurred only in patients

given radiotherapy with or without adjuvant chemotherapy, and ANLL

occurred only after treatment with MOPP (mustine, vincristine,

procarbazine, and prednisolone) or modified MOPP regimes. Neither solid

tumours nor ANLL occurred in patients given ABVD (adriamycin, bleomycin,

vinblastine, and dacarbazine).



The highest incidence of leukaemia (5.4 per cent) occurred after

treatment with excessive radiotherapy plus MOPP; hence the benefits of

this approach in Hodgkin's disease must be weighed against its

carcinogenic potential."



END QUOTE 2



The subsequent six pages on Iatrogenic Neoplasia by Diggle are then

devoted to neoplasia following the use of cytotoxic and

immunosuppressant agents including:



Leukaemia following treatment of ovarian cancer with alkylating agents

Cyclophosphamide and bladder cancer

Lomustine (CCNU) and Leukaemia

Chlornaphazine-induced bladder carcinoma

Carcinogenesis associated with immunosuppressant therapy

Immunosuppression and malignant melanoma

Cyclosporin-A and lymphoma

Razoxane-associated malignant disease







Finally here is what Halnan KE and Rustin GJS have to say about the

hazards of chemotherapy treatment (Chapter 44, pp. 853-872 in: Sikora K

& Halnan KE, 1990 Treatment of Cancer, 2nd edition. Chapman and Hall

Medical Publishers):



START QUOTE 3



44.2.1 Carcinogenicity



"Most anticancer agents act by causing chromosomal damage to neoplastic

cells but also damage rapidly proliferating normal tissue. It is,

therefore, not surprising that this damage may be carcinogenic and

teratogenic. Continuous collation and analysis of clinical and

laboratory data on cytotoxic drugs currently in use suggest that

alkylating agents, antitumour antibiotics, cisplatinum, procarbazine and

etoposide are either identified as carcinogens or under strong suspicion

whilst the antimetabolites emerge as relatively safe.



Attempts have been made to correlate human carcinogenicity of various

compounds with effects on bacterial or mammalian cell cultures, on

experimental animals and on lymphocytes from patients. Different tests

assess mutagenicity, chromosome gaps, breaks and structural

rearrangements such as sister chromatid exchange and incidence of

tumours in test animals. In view of the rarity of second tumours the

validity of the tests have not been proven. 



Analysis of the clinical data has to date given us the clearest

indication of which treatments are most carcinogenic. Casciato and Scott

(1979) found that melphelan, chlorambucil or cyclophosphamide were the

predominant cytotoxic agents associated with secondary ANLL among 71% of

139 cases in the literature. 



They also showed that the peak incidence of ANLL was between 3 years and

5 years after the start of the initial therapy. Henne and Schmahl (1985)

found the median dose of cytotoxic drug administered was 73250mg for

cyclophosphamide, 1497 mg for chlorambucil and 1116mg for melphalan. As

in most cases, the drugs were not given in large bolus doses and the

large median doses could only have occurred through long term or

maintenance chemotherapy. 



It is to be hoped that as maintenance therapy has not been shown to be

of any value except possibly in acute lymphoblastic leukaemia that the

avoidance of long-term therapy will result in fewer second tumours. 



Acute nonlymphoblastic leukaemia (ANLL) has received the most attention

as a second malignancy partly because of the shorter latent interval

than for solid tumours and because it accounts for over 50% of reported

second tumours. Other tumours, such as carcinoma of the bladder most

frequently secondary to cyclophosphamide must not be forgotten,

particularly as they may now be avoided by the use of mesna. 



Tumours related to immunosuppression. 



In patients with primary immunodeficiency states, the frequency of

malignancy is roughly 10,000 times that in the agematched population

whilst in transplant recipients it is roughly 100 times increased.

Transplant recipients receive antimetabolites and/or cyclosporin-A

rather than alkylating agents. The tumours differ from those after

primary anticancer therapy. Skin cancers are most common followed by

lymphomas, a spectrum similar to that seen in the acquired immune

deficiency syndrome (AIDS). It is possible that the diminished immune

surveillance or chronic antigenic stimulation are involved in the

pathogenesis of these tumours rather than the antimetabolites. 

However, there is no doubt that alkylating agents given for therapy of

non-malignant conditions are carcinogenic.



44.2.2 Association between chemotherapy of primary malignancy and

development of secondary tumour



Most reports of second malignancies take the form of case reports, which

are useful in alerting us to the possibility of a particular treatment

being carcinogenic but fail to demonstrate that the association was more

than chance. For the practising oncologist, it is important to know the

potential risks of a particular treatment. This section, therefore,

concentrates on studies which perform comparative analysis of the risk

of different treatments, which compare a treated group with a control

group or if this data is not available give some indication of the risk

of second malignancies."



END QUOTE 3



Studies which follow on pages 866-868 in Halnan and Rustin's paper then

summarise the role of chemotherapy (for a primary malignancy) in the

development of the following secondary conditions: Hodgkin's disease,

Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, Multiple myeloma, Acute lymphoblastic leukaemia

(ALL), Germ cell tumours, Ovarian carcinomas, Breast cancer, Childhood

malignancies, Gastrointestinal cancer and Trophoblastic tumours.



The negative effects of chemotherapy on gonadal damage, and the impact

of cytotoxic drugs on male and female fertility are also discussed (pp

869-870), as chemotherapy may have an impact on progeny. 



Of particular concern are the following statements (p. 870): "Cytotoxic

drugs should all be considered teratogenic and patients should be told

to use contraception whilst receiving them". Also: "The offspring of men

and women treated for other tumours" (other than trophoblastic tumours)

"do not appear to have an increased incidence of congenital

abnormalities, but in view of the small numbers, collaborative studies

are required to monitor both the congenital abnormality rates, and the

later incidence of cancer."



CONCLUSIONS



From the foregoing, it is apparent that: (1) many chemotherapy

substances suppress the immune system, and (2) some without doubt can

directly cause cancer ("many antineoplastic drugs are themselves

carcinogenic"). Furthermore, (3) some might even carry cancer into a

subsequent generation. 



Immunosuppression as an overall component of cancer genesis currently

remains poorly evaluated, and the general public has been left very much

in the dark by the medical profession regarding guidance for all

substances which suppress the immune system, and which thus increase an

individual's chances of developing a cancer. 



Increased catecholamines combined with raised ACTH and cortisol seems to

be a major route by which stressed individuals in low-control situations

develop immunological incompetence (see: Fisher S in: Reason J (ed),

1989. Handbook of Life Stress Cognition and Health. Wiley)



What cancer patients deserve, but have great difficulty in finding out,

is clear guidance regarding the dangers and downside risks of

chemotherapy - especially with the older classes of cytotoxic

chemotherapy agents. This is particularly important where doctor/patient

decisions are required to choose against new chemotherapy agents

developed in the 1990s - which actually represent a totally new class of

drugs.



"These (new) agents specifically target tumour cells or the mechanisms

by which tumours grow. Antiangiogenic agents are an example of this new

approach. This new generation of anticancer drugs has the potential to

act with far greater efficacy and with far fewer side effects. Any

number of the natural agents discussed in this book exist which could be

among the new agents developed, or could be models on which to develop

new agents" (Boik J, 1996. Cancer and Natural Medicine. Oregon Medical

Press. p. 81, ISBN 0-9648280-0-6)



Cancer chemotherapy is a multi-billion industry from which huge profits

are being made. It is now time that better comparative information of

the risks involved with the old cytotoxic and newer chemotherapy agents

is made available to patients. 



Finally it is globally urgent that the extensive range of natural

cancer-inhibiting substances known from historical and folklore medical

traditions be properly assessed for non-cytotoxic tumour-inhibiting

activity. 













From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ADVICE NEEDED ON MINT

From: mmodi@lonestar.egr.uh.edu (Maulik  Modi)

Date: 26 Nov 1996 06:17:27 GMT



Hi,



I was looking for some advice on how to save my mint plant. I am in Houston and it froze last night(!!). Unfortunately, the mint plant was left outsidde and it suffered some damage. There is some brownish color on the edges of quite a few leaves. This is my first herb I have grown and I do not want to lose it.

Is there anything I can do to save it. Of course I have brought it inside the house now. Any advice is greatly appreciated. I checked the FAQ and couldn't find anything related. If I am wrong, please point me to the right subtopic.



Thanks,



Maulik. 



--

Maulik A. Modi

Dept. of Chemical Engineering

University of Houston

mmodi@bug.egr.uh.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED ON MINT

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 26 Nov 1996 05:57:06 -0700



mmodi@lonestar.egr.uh.edu (Maulik  Modi) wrote:



>Hi,

 

Unfortunately, the mint plant was left outsidde and it suffered

some damage. There is some brownish color on the edges of quite a

few leaves. This is my first herb I have grown and I do not want

to lose it.



Leave it alone ... put it in a brightly lit, but not direct

sunlight spot for a few days.

Then trim off any obviously dead leaves.



If they are planted in the ground, they can freeze back to the

ground and recver the next spring.  We had wild mint growing in

Montana that survived 40 below.

Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | http://www.writepage.com

                          | Genre Fiction Publicity









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED ON MINT

From: "jgarrett@radware.net" <jgarrett@radware.net>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 07:10:08 -0600



 If you just cut the leaves off it should grow back if only the leaves

were frozen. The mint in the ground freezes and comes back in the spring

here in Oklahoma so don't think it hurts mint to freeze.  Also cutting it

back will help it to grow more bushier.



> mmodi@lonestar.egr.uh.edu (Maulik  Modi) wrote in article

<57e21n$2tj@Masala.CC.UH.EDU>...

> Hi,

> 

> I was looking for some advice on how to save my mint plant. I am in

Houston and it froze last night(!!). Unfortunately, the mint plant was

left outsidde and it suffered some damage. There is some brownish color on

the edges of quite a few leaves. This is my first herb I have grown and I

do not want to lose it.

> Is there anything I can do to save it. Of course I have brought it

inside the house now. Any advice is greatly appreciated. I checked the FAQ

and couldn't find anything related. If I am wrong, please point me to the

right subtopic.

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Maulik. 

> 

> --

> Maulik A. Modi

> Dept. of Chemical Engineering

> University of Houston

> mmodi@bug.egr.uh.edu

> 

> 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED ON MINT

From: Ara Mekhsian <ara@pitnet.net>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 22:34:19 -0600



jgarrett@radware.net wrote:

> 

>  If you just cut the leaves off it should grow back if only the leaves

> were frozen. The mint in the ground freezes and comes back in the spring

> here in Oklahoma so don't think it hurts mint to freeze.  Also cutting it

> back will help it to grow more bushier.

> 

> > mmodi@lonestar.egr.uh.edu (Maulik  Modi) wrote in article

> <57e21n$2tj@Masala.CC.UH.EDU>...

> > Hi,

> >

> > I was looking for some advice on how to save my mint plant. I am in

> Houston and it froze last night(!!).



> > Thanks,

> >

> > Maulik.

> >

> > --

> > Maulik A. Modi

> > Dept. of Chemical Engineering

> > University of Houston

> > mmodi@bug.egr.uh.edu

> >

> >





Hi Maulik,



I live in Wisconsin and we have very cold snowy winters.  The mint dies

after the first few frosts.  In the spring however, it comes right back

again like a perrenial plant.  Every year it spreads further and further

sort of like a weed.  You can prune it back pretty severely and it

should grow back just fine.



Deb





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED ON MINT

From: anna_taylor@RedwoodFN.org (anna taylor)

Date: 28 Nov 1996 21:11:49 GMT



I expect that your mint is okay, and will come back in the spring. Sounds like

it's potted, so maybe you want to leave it indoors or shelter, in case

there's a really big freeze. Mints are forgiving, not to say unkillable.

Usually. Good Luck.

@





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: MilkThistle wanted.

From: Nik <Spliffy@greenfingers.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:07:55 +0000



Does anyone know of a supplier of Milkthistle in the UK, tried the usual

outlets (Holland & Barret etc) but they don't even know what it is!

Any help would be gratefulyl received.

-- 

Spliffy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: MilkThistle wanted.

From: bakeit2@dti.net (Andrew A Melnyczuk)

Date: 28 Nov 1996 13:53:31 GMT



In article <CwecwXArNrmyEwT8@greenfingers.demon.co.uk>, Nik

<Spliffy@greenfingers.demon.co.uk> wrote:



> Does anyone know of a supplier of Milkthistle in the UK, tried the usual

> outlets (Holland & Barret etc) but they don't even know what it is!

> Any help would be gratefulyl received.

> -- 

> 

 Sliffy

 Hi. Spliffy Why don't you try Argyl Herbs. I know that they have a great

selection but i forget there wear abouts. Try a Web Search WWW.Dogpile.com

or

WWW.beaucoup.com.



Sincerely, Spunky7 AT bakeit2@dti.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help:Inflammatory Bowel Disease -feline

From: Jean <Telemedia@simcox.co.nz>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:16:48 +1200



Please could someone tell me what herbs, vitamins, minerals, whatever will aid 

alleviating the symptoms of IBD and increase absorbption of nutrients in an 8 yr old 

large (but now very under weight) male cat.  He has chronic diarrhea and occasional 

vomiting but still has good appetite and drinks lots of water.  He still appears 

(amazingly) to be happy in himself with the exception of the noteable weightloss.

 

The cat is now on a bland diet of rice, chicken<--(very small quantities mixed with the 

rice) and vegetables with only enough sardines added to give fishy smell to entice him 

to eat. He is being fed approx 3 tbsps 5 times a day.  No milk products or meat have 

been fed to the cat in over 2 mos.



The following is results of biopsies, comments and diagnosis by M.P. James, BVSc, PhD, 

MRCVS, Veterinary Pathologist



Endoscopic bowel biopsies X8



Small intestine x6 - These are all very adequate samples that have include mucosal   

structures to the level of crypts.  The villi have evidence of advanced villous   

atrophy and surface erosions.  Also there are very dense infiltrates of plasma cells   

present in the lamina propria as well as significant numbers of eosinophils.  No   

malignant infiltrates or pathogenic organisms can be found.

Stomach x2 - No significant lesions found.



Diagnosis: Severe plasmacytic/lymphocytic enteropathy



Comment:  Findings are consistent with severe chronic inflammatory bowel disease.  There 

is significant injury to the small intestinal mucosa that is likely to be causing 

malabsorption.  The problem should respond to corticosteroids and changes in diest, but 

mucosal damage may require some time to repair.





Sorry this is so long but felt all information given to be vital





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginko Bliboa

From: dchrissty@aol.com

Date: 27 Nov 1996 04:55:46 GMT



Does anyone knoe about Ginko Bilboa - especially any possible side

effects. It was suggested to an elderly friend who said she was having

problems with her memory and her occipital bone





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginko Bliboa

From: solodoc@aol.com

Date: 27 Nov 1996 19:08:07 GMT



Ginko is on one of several herbs that may be helpful in memory and mental

sharpening. Others inlude GotuKola, Ginsing, Schizandra and L Glutamine.

Side effects are nil and there are several studies suggesting benefit. Not

yet medical mainstream but widely used in alternative treatments. If you

are looking for a souce, I have an excellent one that combines these herbs

into one product. E Mail me for information

Milan Schmidt M.D.

SoloDoc@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Should I buy/use/distribute Nature's Sunshine products?

From: robnbrwn@gnn.com (Robin Brown)

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 15:18:38



I have been looking for a good source of herbal and vitamin supplements that 

is not too expensive but good quality without a LOT of MLM pressure to go 

into business.



A coworker has suggested I sign up as a distributor for Nature's Sunshine 

products so that I can get the "insider" price.



Does anybody have any feedback on this line of products or this company?

I will say one reason I won't buy Nutrilife from Amway (even though my DC 

recommends them highly) is the political activism of the owners (extremely 

conservative).



I am also curious about specific product infomration.  I'm sure most 

companies out there make at least ONE thing very well, and are probably 

weaker on others.  Does anyone know the strengths/weaknesses of Nature's 

Sunshine?



Thanks for you time.



Robin







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Should I buy/use/distribute Nature's Sunshine products?

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 03:16:57 GMT



robnbrwn@gnn.com (Robin Brown) spoke with these words:



>I have been looking for a good source of herbal and vitamin supplements that 

>is not too expensive but good quality without a LOT of MLM pressure to go 

>into business.



>A coworker has suggested I sign up as a distributor for Nature's Sunshine 

>products so that I can get the "insider" price.

snip

>Robin



Hi Robin:



I used to sell NSP to myself and others.  This is *my* opinion, and

the opinion of someone else who sold it also, through me.



NSP is *very* expensive. Even getting the 'insider' price..it is very

expensive.  Yes, their quality is good, but now, with all the

companies jumping on the band wagon of the multi-million dollar herb

products...most have a good product, if not excellent.



NSP has some combinations that others don't have. As is true with

other companies.  NSP has priced themselves out of a market of ppl who

can't afford their herbs.  My question is..are they out there to make

LOTS of money, or to help others get better? It seems the former.



I have found a company that sells very good herbs and combos for alot

less than NSP.  It is NOW brand.  They are based in IL, and have a

great philosophy.  They have a combo called NiteTime Herbs that is

fantastic for relaxing and sleeping.  The prices are great.



My answer to your question is no. I would not get involved with NSP.

There are other great herb companies out there that don't charge as

much and have just as high quality.



Janine

http://www.cwo.com/~jwell







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Should I buy/use/distribute Nature's Sunshine products?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 23:09:35 GMT



JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well) wrote:



>I have found a company that sells very good herbs and combos for alot

>less than NSP.  It is NOW brand.  They are based in IL, and have a

>great philosophy.  They have a combo called NiteTime Herbs that is

>fantastic for relaxing and sleeping.  The prices are great.



I will second the recommendation for Now.  They consistently offer a

great product at the best price for vitamins, minerals, and herbs.

They are usually about 50% lower in price than most other brands.  Now

is carried at many health food stores. 



Now got its start as a bulk powdered herb and vitamin supplier.  They

still offer a wide variety of powdered supplements, but beware.  Many

find a great price on a Now product only to get it home and find out

it is powdered when they wanted capsules.  If you want capsules, be

sure it states it.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ilex vomitoria, Yaupon

From: hmesick@mail.goldinc.com

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 96 08:57:38 CDT





We have lots of Yaupon growing here in the Mississippi

coastal lowlands.  I looked this plant up in several books.

But they seem to give conflicting information. So far

what I've read says:



1) makes a nice tea, if you dry and roast the leaves

2) indians made an emetic for ceremonial cleaning.

3) berries cause nausea and diarrhea

4) leaves cause nausea and diarrhea

5) only plant native to north america with caffeine.



so the best i can figure is the emetic properties

must be does related.  and leave the berries alone.



does anyone have any experience or pointer related

to this plant ?



thanks,



carter







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ilex vomitoria, Yaupon

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: 27 Nov 1996 18:21:03 -0700



hmesick@mail.goldinc.com wrote:



>1) makes a nice tea, if you dry and roast the leaves

>2) indians made an emetic for ceremonial cleaning.

>3) berries cause nausea and diarrhea

>4) leaves cause nausea and diarrhea

>5) only plant native to north america with caffeine.



Ilex vomitoria - has to be emetic with a name like that!



A related species, Ilex paraguayensis, is the caffiene-loaded

South American shrub (leaves and twigs make tea with a kick)

It's cousins might have a bit of caffiene.



Leaves of I. vomitoria are emetic, according to my tree and shrub

book, and the Indians used a strng tea as a ceremonial purgative.

Low doses might be tolerable.



A related species from that area, Ilex verticillata (black alder)

is a fever treatment - extract or tea of leaves.

Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | http://www.writepage.com

                          | Genre Fiction Publicity









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.aromatherapy,misc.health.alternative,alt.backrubs,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aromatherapy Mailing List.

From: Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 16:00:35 +0000



The Aromatherapy mailing list has died due to corruption of the address

file.



If you were on the list please re-subscribe by sending a message to



        list@idma.com



with the text



        join aromatherapy





Thanks





-- 

Graham Sorenson

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lemon Verbena From Seed?

From: l.mcfadden@mail.utexas.edu (Loretta McFadden)

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 11:16:10 -0500



Hello herbalists -

I'm a gardener attempting to start Lemon Verbena from seeds a friend sent

me, although I've been told it's much easier to start from cuttings. Do

any of you have advice on special care for starting these seeds? All I've

been told, ominously, is that it's hard! Please respond by e-mail as well

as posting here - I don't get much opportunity to read newsgroups.



Betsy Levy

(pmalof@acad.stedwards.edu)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GET RICH QUICK!!!

From: hrbmoore@primenet.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 27 Nov 1996 11:23:01 -0700



In article <57hjbl$qts@mira.sara.nl>, sscpilan@horus.sara.nl (Ilan Shemes)

wrote:



> Take five minutes to read this and it WILL change your life.

> 



Please go away...here's a large plastic bag...why not take it and go play

in the street...there's a nice abandoned refrigerator over there, too!



(If it isn't an herbal chain-letter, than just sod off!)



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@primenet.com)



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

teaching and clinical manuals, over 1,000 medicinal plant 

images and class announcements can be obtained at my web site.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs useful in weight loss diet?

From: mikimantle@aol.com

Date: 27 Nov 1996 19:13:34 GMT



anyone know any herbs that can be used to supplement a 

sensible weight loss plan??



thanks

thanks y'all 

 MikiMantle

"Just hangin out up here in heaven drinking Diet coke and watching Elvis get fat"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs useful in weight loss diet?

From: topshelf@aol.com

Date: 28 Nov 1996 00:15:33 GMT



Try these , in combination or alone. Chickweed, Burdock,and Seawrack.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: preventing kidney infections?

From: elyons@infinity.ccsi.com (EL)

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:37:27 -0600



My wife has recurring kidney infections, and I was hoping someone here

could point me to a preventitive regime to ward off future infections.

 Any replies appreciated,

eric the web wandering wonderer



Eric Lyons  ~  Buda, Texas  ~  Wandering About Wondering





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing kidney infections?

From: anb@bc.sympatico.ca

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 05:59:02 GMT



My grandfather had the same problem to the point where surgery was

recommended until he started drinking cranberry juice.  The problem

quickly disappeared





On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:37:27 -0600, elyons@infinity.ccsi.com (EL)

wrote:



>My wife has recurring kidney infections, and I was hoping someone here

>could point me to a preventitive regime to ward off future infections.

> Any replies appreciated,

>eric the web wandering wonderer

>

>Eric Lyons  ~  Buda, Texas  ~  Wandering About Wondering







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: preventing kidney infections?

From: Wayne Goates <goat5200@spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov>

Date: 30 Nov 1996 02:23:21 GMT



Drink several glasses of water a day -AND- don't drink either tea or 

cranberry juice as they are loaded with oxaylic acid (which happens to 

cause kidney stones).



On Fri, 29 Nov 1996 anb@bc.sympatico.ca wrote:



> My grandfather had the same problem to the point where surgery was

> recommended until he started drinking cranberry juice.  The problem

> quickly disappeared

> 

> 

> On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:37:27 -0600, elyons@infinity.ccsi.com (EL)

> wrote:

> 

> >My wife has recurring kidney infections, and I was hoping someone here

> >could point me to a preventitive regime to ward off future infections.

> > Any replies appreciated,

> >eric the web wandering wonderer

> >

> >Eric Lyons  ~  Buda, Texas  ~  Wandering About Wondering

> 

> 

> 



----------

Wayne Goates   Email:goat5200@spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lecithin

From: gktay@alpha.ntu.ac.sg

Date: 28 Nov 96 09:03:26 +0800



what are the benefit and side effects of lecithin taken daily

pls help







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Panax Ginseng, Aralia mandshurica, Eleutherococcus senticosus, Schizandra chinensis

From: vidi@online.marine.su

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:11:12 -0600



Panax Ginseng, Aralia mandshurica, Eleutherococcus senticosus, Schizandra 

chinensis

Baill - of Far East Russia. Send all wanting.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: oregano

From: voyager@idetour.com (voyager)

Date: 28 Nov 1996 04:33:16 GMT



looking for information on medicinal uses of oregano, in capsule or oil 

form. any info or references on this would be useful. 







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Skin Disorder

From: silkia@aol.com

Date: 28 Nov 1996 05:08:38 GMT



I need help on a small skin disorder.



It occurs only on my thumb.  The rash or what ever it is..is on the bend

on the inside of the thumb. It is cracked and rough...and very painful

when moving.

 It disappears in the summer...and appears with the change of seasons.

Weird as I live in the Desert. Not much of a change in weather.  However

the humidity does drop.  Which is interesting because if I use a bandaide,

it "almost" goes away.



However I have developed an allergy to the tape...So any where tape is

used, I break out in a rash.  They wanted to tape some separated ribs,

from a lifting accident..and could not because of this rash.



Vitamin E helps some...



Any help would be very much appreciated..



Maranatha

Silkie







Maranatha

Dena





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hormones

From: pmcavoy@cyberspc.mb.ca (McAvoy)

Date: 28 Nov 1996 08:29:17 GMT



Is there anything "natural" one can take to help balance hormones in the 

body?  







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hormones

From: Patsy Wilson <patsy@hiwaay.net>

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 04:54:57 -0600



McAvoy wrote:

> 

> Is there anything "natural" one can take to help balance hormones in the

> body?



that depends of what kind of imbalance there is, I would suggest a regular amount of 

exercise as a normaliser.  otherwise, if you're talking about estrogen, that can be 

encouraged naturally by eating soy food products and, for men, a common natural tonifier 

& energiser is ginseng.  I know a few women going through (or are past) menopause who've 

been helped unbelievably by testosterone supplements. we do produce it & use it in small 

but significant amounts, so when it slows down &/or stops, many women need it back in 

order to function in a way that is complete & fulfilling to them.  Granted, I don't know 

any other herbs that deal specifically w/hormones, but a hormone imbalance can have 

symptoms of depression and can be just as severe & disabling as other kinds of chemical 

imbalances, and sometimes requires a perscrition from someone in a medical field.

(Has anyone heard of acupressure helping with the supression of hormones?)



best of luck!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hormones

From: bakeit2@dti.net (Andrew A Melnyczuk)

Date: 28 Nov 1996 13:59:51 GMT



In article <57jigt$ah6@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>, mmcavoy@wpg.ramp.net wrote:



> Is there anything "natural" one can take to help balance hormones in the 

> body?  



HI, Try Licorice Root Tea or Buy the Powder and Gel Caps and make them yourself!



Goodluck,  Spunky7  At  bakeit2@dti.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hormones

From: solodoc@aol.com

Date: 29 Nov 1996 15:38:40 GMT



Depends. Which "hormones" are you referring to? any symtpoms you notice of

them being out of balance or was this based on blood tests?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: SNORING!!!

From: "Patrica S. Kline" <potz@nbn.net>

Date: 28 Nov 1996 11:10:50 GMT



Please help!  Snoring....[stop]

Yellow Dock Root has been suggested but is ther more?

-- 

patsy kline (honest)

potz@nbn.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SNORING!!!

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:44:11 GMT





"Patrica S. Kline" <potz@nbn.net> wrote:



>Please help!  Snoring....[stop]

>Yellow Dock Root has been suggested but is ther more?



There is a product being sold over the radio called "Silence".  It is

an herbal product being promoted by an MD and has a money-back

guarantee.  The ad does not mention the cost.  If anyone knows the

ingredients for this formula, please post it.



I have not heard of yellowdock being used for this purpose.  As the

other postor mentions, Breathe Right nasal strips are effective.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SNORING!!!

From: spowel@ibm.net

Date: 30 Nov 1996 02:40:57 GMT



In <01bbdd1d$8d5ea200$6774eac7@potz>, "Patrica S. Kline" <potz@nbn.net> writes:

>Please help!  Snoring....[stop]

>Yellow Dock Root has been suggested but is ther more?

>-- 

>patsy kline (honest)

>potz@nbn.net



Breathe Right Strips





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: High Blood Pressure

From: sarah <mouse@hooked.net>

Date: 28 Nov 1996 12:40:04 GMT



My mother-in-law has developed high blood pressure in the last year after

having "the readings of a teenager" up to the age of 68.  Since february

she has moved and started taking care of her 90 year old mother in the

next apartment, but is getting more sleep and calm in her life since

before the move.



Someone recently told her Garlic helped, but I haven't found any

reference in any of my books (and none of them are cross referenced by

disease/symptom!).  Has anyone heard about using garlic for this?  Any

other suggestions?  Experiences?  Leads?  Thanks in advance.

Sarah





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: PMS Symptoms

From: bethrachg@aol.com

Date: 28 Nov 1996 15:34:44 GMT



I am looking for something to help control water retention. I heard

somewhere that papaya is a natural diuretic. However, I have not been able

to find any information on this.  Is there an herb or some concoction,

natural and safe for this problem.??

 

Bethrachg.@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: PMS Symptoms

From: pmcavoy@cyberspc.mb.ca (McAvoy)

Date: 29 Nov 1996 02:31:08 GMT



In article <19961128153600.KAA20762@ladder01.news.aol.com>, bethrachg@aol.com 

says...

>

>I am looking for something to help control water retention. I heard

>somewhere that papaya is a natural diuretic. However, I have not been able

>to find any information on this.  Is there an herb or some concoction,

>natural and safe for this problem.??



Many health/herbal stores sell special tea blends that contain herbs for 

helping to relieve the symptoms of PMS.  (THere's one brand in particular 

that I'm thinking of, but I can't remember the name.  It's sold at the local 

Safeway here too.)   There's probably stuff that's encapsulated too, I've 

just never checked.







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: PMS Symptoms

From: coltremb@rsvs.ulaval.ca (Colette Tremblay)

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 08:54:35 -0500





> In article <19961128153600.KAA20762@ladder01.news.aol.com>, bethrachg@aol.com 

> says...

> >

> >I am looking for something to help control water retention. I heard

> >somewhere that papaya is a natural diuretic. However, I have not been able

> >to find any information on this.  Is there an herb or some concoction,

> >natural and safe for this problem.??



Cherry stalks tea is good. Dried cherry stalks can be purchased in health

food stores.



-- 

Colette Tremblay

Quebec Canada

zone 4b





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: PMS Symptoms

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard Renaud)

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:33:32 GMT



>> In article <19961128153600.KAA20762@ladder01.news.aol.com>, bethrachg@aol.com 

>> says...

>> >

>> >I am looking for something to help control water retention. I heard

>> >somewhere that papaya is a natural diuretic. However, I have not been able

>> >to find any information on this.  Is there an herb or some concoction,

>> >natural and safe for this problem.??



The Bojenmi Chinese Tea is an herbal tea that promotes elimination of excess water and

dispels fat. This tea also reduces cholesterol and high blood pressure. It is composed of

12 herbs including oolong tea (50%) as the main herb. Dosage: 1-3 cups daily.

Available in chinese herbs stores and some health stores.



I hope this helps,



Richard Renaud







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: warts

From: sbirch@ma.ultranet.com (Robert P. Lassen)

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 96 02:32:19 GMT



Thuja, celendine, asprin, cayanne cut w/caster oil to gentle it, biojestin 

(papya) green not yellow caps, mix all together and cover with a banana peel. 

never fails





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help on Schools

From: JimB <jbisaill@brainiac.com>

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 22:53:56 -0500



Does anyone know the name of any schools or programs that specialisis in

herbs.



Thanks Jim B.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pain

From: Charles Ronnie Sasser <csasser@fia.net>

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 22:45:32 -0600



Does anyone know of a natural answer to bladder pain and depression??

Please help if they do.



Thanks 

Ronnie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: dogs and heartworms remedy...

From: tygger@ix.netcom.com (tygger)

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 10:09:27 GMT



thanks for your support here...i did contact my herbalist and here is

what she shared with me....



to eliminate heartworms, give the dog 1-1.5 droppers of black walnut

3x daily, along with colts foot as an expectorant (sp???) to prevent

pneumonia. 



they have done this treatment successfully with many dogs (100%

success rate) without any ill effects.  







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: need a source to buy wholesale herbs

From: tygger@ix.netcom.com (tygger)

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 10:10:39 GMT



does anyone know of a source where i can order herbs by the lb??? i

need to buy some black cohosh for my stallion.  



write to tygger@ix.netcom.com







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Menopause recommendations

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 16:03:24 GMT





Here are some general recommendations for menopausal

women that I put together for someone.



Ensure adequate mineral and vitamin intake.  See the section

on General Supplementation in Diet and Supplement Tips and

ensure you are getting enough calcium and magnesium. 

Always ensure you are consuming a sufficient quantity of

potassium daily.



To prevent hot flashes, consume soy beans.  Good Nutrition

sells them roasted and halved.  Salt if desired (Morton Lite

Salt) and consume a couple of tablespoons or more once or

twice per day.  Tofu, soy milk, or any other soy products can

be used instead, but this is the cheapest and easiest solution.



Other menopausal symptoms can be alleviated by

supplementation of chasteberry (aka vitex) and concentrated

alfalfa capsules.  Good alfalfa supplements are Solaray

Alfajuice capsules and Now concentrated alfalfa tablets.  Take

as directed.  Alfalfa and chasteberry are a classic naturopathic

estrogen replacement therapy.  I recommend using some sort

of alfalfa.  It is a good source of trace minerals, vitamins, and

contains some essential fatty acids.  Use chasteberry if

necessary.



DHEA is touted to "restore youthful levels of hormones" in

the body.  It is a precursor to many hormones, which the body

can make more easily with supplementation.  It is not well

studied yet, but it may be a safer alternative to estrogen and

progesterone and usually helps those with hormone deficiency

problems.  Even though it is suspected that DHEA can help

prevent and treat cancer, it is not recommended for those with

serious illness or with a family history of breast cancer until

more research is done.  If you decide to supplement with it,

the best price I have seen is 200x25mg for $9.25, Schiff

brand, at Costco.  Schiff is the most popular brand for this

supplement for those who use it.  The generally recommended

dosage is 25mg per day for women, 50mg per day for men

unless lab testing is done to determine the best dosage.



Gotu Kola is a highly recommended supplement for anyone

over 40.  It increase blood flow to the brain and other organs,

plus promotes collagen integrity which reduces formation of

varicose veins, wrinkles, and artherosclerosis (it is a specific to

treat scleroderma).  It is very inexpensive - Now brand at Good

Nutrition costs $4 per 100 capsules.  It is also known as Asiatic

Centellia, and Solaray makes a guaranteed potency version of it for

less than $8.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Appetitite stimulation by herbs

From: brahms7108@aol.com

Date: 29 Nov 1996 18:29:26 GMT



Are there any easily available herbs or combinations of herbs that

can be used effectively to stimulate appetite?



How are they taken and how often?



Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: glucosamine sulfate vs. HCL  which is better

From: david@oldcolo.com@oldcolo.com

Date: 29 Nov 1996 23:15:04 GMT



Yes, which is better?  Sulfate or HCL versions of glucosamine?



I know that the sulfate raises the potassium levels, but have just heard that 

the HCL variation can cause stomach irritation.  



Thoughts anyone on which is better?  Better absorbed?  etc. . .



tx in advance, david







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: CHINESE HERBS

From: mallard153@aol.com

Date: 30 Nov 1996 01:17:27 GMT



Can anyone send me info on Chinese Herbal Medicine?

MAllard153@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Smoking and skullcaps

From: Almighty <maw01@gnofn.org>

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:15:27 -0600



I have two questions:



A while ago I found a page containing lots of information on herbs you can

smoke and the benifits and dangers.  Does anyone remember this page?  Does

anyone kniw its URL?



Also, this page talked about a type of skullcap called scutellaria nana.

Does anyone know if it is in any way possible to grow this type or any

type of scitellaria in New Orleans.  Does anyone know where I could obtain

a plant or some seeds?









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smoking and skullcaps

From: howieb@teleport.com (Howie Brounstein)

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 96 06:14:13 GMT



In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.961129220936.541B-100000@sparkie.gnofn.org>,

   Almighty <maw01@gnofn.org> wrote:



>

>A while ago I found a page containing lots of information on herbs 

you can

>smoke and the benifits and dangers.  Does anyone remember this page? 

 Does

>anyone kniw its URL?





It's the Herbal Smoking Mixtures file. Available through my home page. 

address in signature.





Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



-insert snappy herb joke here-





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smoking and skullcaps

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 16:24:05 GMT



On Fri, 29 Nov 1996 22:15:27 -0600, in alt.folklore.herbs Almighty

<maw01@gnofn.org> wrote:



>A while ago I found a page containing lots of information on herbs you can

>smoke and the benifits and dangers.  Does anyone remember this page?  Does

>anyone know its URL?



Go for http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html and start to look for the

smoking mixtures.

The booklet is also available in my ftp space under /Howie_Brounstein.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dark Hair

From: drk@ACM.ORG

Date: 30 Nov 1996 04:32:21 GMT



Has anyone noticed that their hair has turned darker sense taking

DHEA or CoQ10?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Colitis

From: kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 07:11:54 GMT



hi folks,

can one of you knoledgeable (SP?...how ironic...) folks share some info about colitis? Is it terminal? Any good herbal/dietary reccomendations? Any good

wholistic based web sites?



Thanks for your help,

Kellie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Colitis

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 17:49:02 GMT





This is the best treatment for IBS and many other 

digestive disorders like Crohn's, and is very reliable if 

there are no diet, home environment, or dental problems 

contributing to the problem.  



Take the following:



Turmeric powder from the market.  McCormick's brand is 

good and packed in glass bottles.  Take 1/2 teaspoon twice 

per day for three weeks.  It can be mixed with honey 

and/or lemon and/or olive oil.  If it is not desired to 

eat, capsules can be found at the health food store, take 

2, twice per day for three weeks.



PLUS 



Fennel Seeds from the market.  Take 1/2 teaspoon twice per 

day for three weeks. Capsules are available if one does 

not like the taste or cannot tolerate the seeds without 

being ground. Take 2 twice per day for three weeks.  

Always take fennel seeds when taking turmeric to prevent 

possible stomach upset.



After the three week program is up, take the supplements 

as desired or needed.  It is okay to take the fennel and 

turmeric daily long term and they are great supplements.  

These two alone will cure almost any simple case of IBS,

if following the advice in the next paragraph.



Avoid unSTERILIZED dairy products.  Baked or boiled 

ones, or that milk sold on the shelf warm are okay.  Also, 

use impeccable hygeine in the bathroom and kitchen and use 

antibacterial soap, replace the dishrag and dish towel 

daily, handle raw chicken like it has the plague, and cook 

well all meats.



IF after three weeks, the problem is not completely cured, 

double the dosages of the turmeric and fennel for the next 

three weeks, or until cured, and also take the following 

antiparasitics:



4x Black Walnut Tincture (also known as extra strength).  

Take 2 teaspoons twice per day for one week, then once per 

week afterward.  This is preferable, but Nature's Way 

Black Walnut Hulls (or any others that say they were 

harvested green) can also be used, taken at double 

recommended dosage for three weeks then once per week 

afterward.



PLUS



Cat's Claw or quassia or wormwood or papaya seed or any 

good combination antiparasitic like Michael's Paraherbs, 

Nature's Way Para-X, or Kroeger's Wormwood Combination, 

taken as directed for three weeks then once per week 

afterward.  Garlic is also acceptable, chew two large 

fresh cloves per day - but this is hard to take.



PLUS 



Clove buds - WHOLE ones from the spice section at the 

market - take 20, two times per day.  Again, 

McCormick's sells fresh ones in glass bottles.  If they 

cannot be chewed, grind the whole ones up and mix with a 

little oil and/or honey and/or lemon, or put in capsules 

oneself.  For three weeks then once per week afterward.



When taking antiparasitics, insomnia may result for a few 

nights.  (Insomnia is also an indication that parasites are 

involved even before the antiparasitics are taken.)  To 

combat this, take ornithine, a harmless and inexpensive 

amino acid.  Take up to 6 or 8 per night as long as 

insomnia is a problem, or up to six weeks.



Yogurt, made with sterilized milk, is a good supplement 

when using the turmeric and fennel seeds.  Eat a 

tablespoon or more 2 hours after the last daily dose.  

Beneficial bacteria capsules can also be used.  The best 

for the money I have seen are Jarrodophilus and PB8.



The above treatment is effective for the diarrheal types

of chronic digestive disorders.  



I have not conquered the constipative type.  If the above 

treatment does not work for constipation IBS, The best I 

can come up with is small amounts of cascara sagrada taking 

daily, like in Nature's Herbs Red Clover Combination (or the 

combinations by Solaray or Nature's Way).  These stimulate the 

intestines a bit, but mostly increase liver, intestinal, and 

lymphatic secretions, which helps.  In addition to this, take 

one tablespoon olive oil (x virgin) between each meal, eat 5 

black mission figs twice per day, an apple a day, plus drink 

lots of water.



For spastic colon, a supplement that is clinically proven to 

palliate symptoms is enteric coated peppermint oil.



turf







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Colitis

From: "CA Thom" <cth457@airmail.net>

Date: 30 Nov 1996 07:33:24 GMT



Kellie,



There is a newsgroup devoted to colitis.  Check out

alt.support.crohns-colitis.



Catherine



kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca wrote in article <E1o9Bu.Fqs@blaze.trentu.ca>...

: hi folks,

: can one of you knoledgeable (SP?...how ironic...) folks share some info

about colitis? Is it terminal? Any good herbal/dietary reccomendations? Any

good

: wholistic based web sites?

: 

: Thanks for your help,

: Kellie

: 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Colitis

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 13:40:06 GMT



On Sat, 30 Nov 1996 07:11:54 GMT, kbonnici@ivory.trentu.ca wrote:



>can one of you knoledgeable (SP?...how ironic...) folks share some info

>about colitis? Is it terminal? Any good herbal/dietary reccomendations? 



Here's a diet angle:



Elaine Gottschall has written a book entitled Breaking the Vicious Cycle,

Intestinal Health through Diet. She says it is a diet for Crohn's disease,

ulcerative colitis, diverticulitis, celiac disease, cystic fibrosis, and

chronic diarrhea. It is published by the Kirkton Press in Kirkton, Ontario,

Canada, 1994, ISBN 0-9692768-1-8. The telephone number is 519-229-6795. The

fax is 519-229-6969.



Also: Kirkton Press, 942 Military St., Suite A, Port Huron, MI 48060;

800/332-3663.



It has been discussed in the alt.support.crohns-colitis newsgroup with some

people reporting success and others not. The author says that one month is

long enough to tell if the diet is helping, but it then takes longer to

"cure".



For sites on the book see: http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/index.shtml#gott



There is a Gottschall diet mailing list. To subscribe, send an email to 

majordomo@filmgraphics.com with nothing in the subject line. Then in the

message body, put the two words SUBSCRIBE scd followed by your own email

address. Then send it off. Your name will be added to the mailing list. To

e-mail to the list send to scd@filmgraphics.com



The basics of the diet are (snipped from crohns-colitis newsgroup posts):



From: cookie@comco.com (Michelle Gray)



Basically, you only eat monosaccharides which means simple sugars, so that

everything is digested with no leftovers, like fiber. These leftovers are

believed to feed to bacterium and "flora" in your intestines which then can

get out of control (the bad ones) and make further digestion even harder.

Their overabundance causes them to produce extra mucus which covers up the

microvilli which break down complex sugars. So more is undigested, they eat

more, they grow more, a "vicious cycle." My GI said he thinks the theory

has some validity, but no controlled studies have been done, so no proof,

and not everyone who you would think would benefit does. Hence, the

experimental side of it.



What you can eat:

fruit and vegetables, cooked only at first until you can tolerate more;

nuts when you can tolerate them;

some beans (lentils and white navy) when you can tolerate them;

meat;

milk products without lactose, like hard aged cheeses (cheddar, colby,

swiss); homemade yogurt (real easy and good!), a few others;

honey.



No-Nos:

refined sugars;

wheat and other flours -- NONE at all;

most beans;

potatoes;

lactose milk products;

chocolate (of course).



------------------------------------------------------------------------



From: hkrafman@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Heidi Rafman)



The Specific Carbohydrate diet:

- the main idea is to only have simple sugars in the body that can easily 

be broken down



Allowed:

- fruits, vegetables, honey, meats, most legumes and beans and nuts

- some cheeses, special homemade yoghurt

Not Allowed:

- all grains: wheat, corn, rice, etc.. (ie no bread, pasta, etc of any type



except when made by recipes in the book)

- sugar (no more sweets!)

- most dairy products, including milk

- no processed cheeses or processed meats



It seems like basically everything that is processed or already prepared is



disallowed - I think everything you eat will either have to be natural or

home-made.



---------------------------------------------------------------------



From: jjmn@interserv.com (Jean Marie Pesola)



The basic rules of the Gottschall diet are to avoid all disaccharides

and polysaccharides (most sugars and starches).  The theory (explained

in the book) is that these long-chain molecules cannot be broken down

in our guts into their smallest units - monosaccharides - which are

absorbed into the blood.  If these are not broken down by our bodies,

bacteria in the gut can eat them and grow out of control.  So, if we

only each monosaccharides, we can absorb them without needing to break

them down and the bacteria starve.

Among the things to avoid are: bread, cereals, pasta, and anything

else made with flour; rice, potatoes, anything with added sugar or

starch (most canned/processed foods); most dairy products (lactose is

a disaccharide).  Your diet is mostly fresh/frozen meat, fish,

vegetables, and fruit.  You can also eat nuts, eggs, and some cheeses.

The book includes recipes such as breads, cakes, and cookies made with

nut flour.

Overall, it is NOT an unhealthy diet.  However, it would be difficult

for vegetarians because tofu and most soy-based products cannot be

eaten, so protein can be harder to come by.  I've been on it for over

a year and am symptom free as long as I don't cheat.  It doesn't work

for everyone, but I cannot think of any reason not to give it a shot.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to email me.



------------------------------------------------------------------







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help with Crabs Claws!

From: "Dave Dutton" <dave@globalnet.co.uk>

Date: 30 Nov 1996 16:12:10 GMT



I recently acquired an old apothecary jar with the Latin inscription Kelis

Cancrorum on it.

I am assured by a Latin professor that this means For Crabs Claws.

Does anyone know what use these would be in medicine. Any fuller

information available?

Many thanks.

Dave Dutton





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.diseases.cancer

Subject: Re: Shark Cartilage, Squalene, Shark Liver Oil

From: jcblal@clark.net (Jessie Blalock)

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 18:56:28 GMT



 wezloyd@ion.com.au wrote:



>SOUTHERN BLUE'S Shark Cartilage, Squalene and Shark Liver Oil

>are guaranteed to come from non-endangered shark species from 

>the clean waters of Australia's southern oceans. Our products 

>are processed using the latest techniques and facilities and we



If you take a *real close* look at that official-looking letter on the

Southern Blue web site, you'll see that......there are NO officially 

endangered shark species in Australia! 



Yes, folks, the Australian government has not declared any species

of shark to be endangered.  Therefore, Southern Blue could use

ANY species in their "products" and it would technically qualify for

this meaningless assertion.



Promoters of shark cartilage dress up their claims with worthless 

letters from "authorities" and "government agencies" and the like,

but when you strip away the hyperbole and read the small print very

carefully, you'll see that there is very little substance left.



+--------------------------------------------------------+

+----+ http://www.clark.net/pub/jcblal/jcbhome.html +----+

+-----------------+  Jessie Blalock  +-------------------+

+--------------------------------------------------------+

									  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: AJALLIUQ?????

From: zykur@earthlink.net (Christopher)

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 20:27:03 GMT



Hi all,



Anyone have info on AJALLIUQ?



Anything would be helpful.



Please email responses, thanks in advance.



Jimmy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to ward off sand fleas?

From: jfjbarna@sciborg.uwaterloo.ca (John Barnard)

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 20:44:52 GMT





	Hello all!



	I'm wondering if anyone knows of a herbal preparation that is 

effective in warding off sand fleas. A friend of mine is in Haiti and 

she's using DEET,Citronella and B-12 but still experiences attacks by sand 

fleas. Anyone suggest potential remedies? 



	Thanks!



	John Barnard







From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: December Issue of Greenfingers now On-Line

From: Nik <Spliffy@greenfingers.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 20:44:57 +0000



The December issue (issue 2) of Greenfingers Gardening for the Internet

is now on-line and can be found at the address below.

In this month's issue we have features on :

        

Rock plants for Winter/Gerbera/Autumn Shrubs/Rhubarb/Poultry, and much

more.



TIP: It takes approximately 3minutes (depending upon connection to load

the magazine in your bowser, once loaded you can disconnect your dial-up

software (though not your browser) and look through the magazine at your

leisure as it will be temporarily in your browser's cache memory or

history file.



Happy reading!



-- 

Editor. Greenfingers Gardening Magazine for the Internet

        http://www.greenfingers.demon.co.uk/index.htm



