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Date:         Wed, 31 Jan 1996 17:53:30 -0600

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From:         dwhite <dwhite@IO.COM>

Subject:      Re: Honey, Corn Syrup and Botulism



Botulism is a neuroparalytic disease caused by Clostridium botulinum. Infant

botulism is the most frequently occuring form of the disease in this

country.  It occurs mainly in infants in the first few weeks of life; but

has occurred in older infants up to one year.  The ingestion of spores by

the infant during the first few weeks of life is probably a prequisite for

the development of the disease.  Honey and corn syrup have been implicated

as sources of the spores that cause infection. Infant botulism; unlike the

adult food intoxication (ingestion of preformed toxin), is the result of

colonization of the intestinal tract by the organism.  The ingested spores

germinate in the intestinal tract and the vegetative cells release the

neurotoxin which is then absorbed into the bloodstream.   Very young infants

who have not yet established intestinal flora are the ones most at risk.

Infant botulism has been implicated in as a possible cause of a small

percentage of Sudden Infant Death cases.



C. botulinum like all of the Clostridia are spore-formers.    Spores are

very tough and can survive a variety of adverse conditions like the

high-sugar environment of honey and corn syrup that kill off many other

bacteria. Clostridia species are ubiquitous in the environment found widely

in soil and untreated water.



With all that said and done I love honey myself and consume it regularly;

but there seems to be evidence that it might be risky for very small infants.



Dana White, M(ASCP)



References:



Spika, J. S., N. Shaffer, N. Hargrett-Bean, S. Collin, K. L. MacDonald, and

P.A. Blake.  1989 Risk Factors for infant botulism in the United States. Am.

J. Dis. Child. 143:828-832.



Lennette, Balow, Hausler, Truant, Manual of Clinical Microbiology 5th

edition American Society for Microbiology



>There has been a lot of bad press on unprocessed honey. The real problems



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: african blue basil



>Sheperds Garden seeds says this is a culinary herb.

>supposed to be a cross between Ociumum Killimansharicum and Opal Basil.

>flowers and leaves reccomended for persian and rice dishes, marinades

>-poof-



African Blue basil makes a lovely landscape plant as well. Landscaper,

Wesley Rouse in CT uses African Blue alongside blue colored dwarf conifers

and shrubs and flowers that have pink flowers.



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:19:58 -0500

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From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Address for Frontier



Frontier Cooperative Herbs, Box 299, Norway, IA 52318; 319-227-7996.  They do

have a retail mail order catalog in addition to their wholesale line.   And

much as I love them....there are hundreds of mail order companies along with

them.....wish you were all here in Albuquerque with us for the first annual

Herb Business Winter Getaway.....think about 1997 in Baton Rouge along with

Mardi Gras.



Maureen



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:54:18 -0500

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From:         Jose Garcia <jgarcia@EPIX.NET>

Subject:      Re: Address for Frontier



>>Does anyone have the address (snail mail) of the Frontier Cooperative

>>in Iowa?

>>Chris

>>creeve@banyan.com



Chris,

The address for Frontier Herbs is:

   3021 78th St.

   PO Box 299

   Norway, IA 52318

   phone:   800-669-3275

I have been a customer for almost two years, but have not attended the annual

conference and can't remember whether non-members are allowed to attend or not.

Why not give them a call.



Peace,

Jose

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

Subject:      Re: Still going on about kudzu and algea



>It's beginning to look like the *only* healthy diet and exercise

>regimen would consist of the following (no other additions, unless

>MLMed to death first):

>

>1.  Green pond scum;

>2.  Kudzu;

>3.  Kombucha;

>4.  Pycnogenol;

>5.  Melatonin;

>6.  Antlers; and

>7.  Sex.



and

 8.  Stevia



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Barbara Watts 813-588-3573 <WATTSB@MAIL.FIRN.EDU>

Subject:      drooling w/numbness



Hi- any suggestions for an 83 old gent who developed drooling (from mouth

and sometimes nose) and with it numbness around the chin area and up toward

the mouth.  His MD just passed it off as 'old age'...he is very active,

mentally and frail but active physically. He cannot control the drooling

and it is bothering him to no end.  Would appreciate any help or advice.

On list or private email to me.  thanks...Barbara

wattsb@mail.firn.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:26:11 -0800

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From:         "Georgann K. Cunney" <curious@AIMNET.AIMNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%96013121295063@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



Hi All,



I don't post often, but I read almost everything.  Paul, thanks for all

the excellent and valuable information that you take the time to share

with us.  I appreciate how your attitude seems to be revealing its

essential nature closer from your heart, thanks!



I just wanted to say that when ever I get a canker sore, I hold ice on it

for as long as it takes the ice cube to melt.  The sore will get a little

numb.  I do this a couple of times a day.  Usually it will leave before

developing any further, by the next day.  Actually it works every time

for me.



Georgann



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:05:27 -0500

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From:         dorothy debisschop <dotdb@USA.PIPELINE.COM>

Subject:      No Subject



If you're thinking of starting horsetail, you need to have moist soil.

More important, though is you need a good-sized container in which to

confine it.  Horsetail, given the opportunity, will take over your garden

and become almost impossible to get rid of. The best way to enjoy its

benefits without suffering a full-scale invasion is to plant it in buckets

(with good drainage) planted alongside the edge of a pond.



It transplants easily.

--



Dorothy A. DeBisschop



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Ian Lloyd <illoyd@DUNCAN.ISLAND.NET>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



I used to cancer sore about 2-3 times a month. Then I read somewhere and

started taking b-12 supplements, and I haven't had any since.

Ian Lloyd, Pharmacist

"I do it to try to end the suffering...

and I do it for the Nobodies."

Alan Grant, Batman:Shadow of the Bat #13



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:37:21 -0800

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From:         "Susan L. Nielsen" <snielsen@EDNET1.OSL.OR.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Equisetum (Horsetail)



Dorothy DeBisschop writes:

>... Horsetail, given the opportunity, will take over your garden

>and become almost impossible to get rid of. The best way to enjoy its

>benefits without suffering a full-scale invasion is to plant it in buckets



In view of its persistence and fecundity, I would suggest that

the best way to enjoy its benefits is to collect it in the wild.

This plant is a serious invader, and, if your area is at all

agreeable to its habits, your neighbors will not appreciate its

introduction.



Susan



--

Susan Nielsen, Shambles Workshops      |"...Gently down the

PO Box 16571, Portland, OR 97216, USA  |stream..."

snielsen@orednet.org                   |           -- Anon.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

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Subject:      Re: drooling w/numbness



In message ID <E1734ZWDMWQD4S*/R=FIRNVX/R=A1/U=WATTSB/@MHS> on 1/31/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hi- any suggestions for an 83 old gent who developed drooling (from mouth

: and sometimes nose) and with it numbness around the chin area and up toward

: the mouth.  His MD just passed it off as 'old age'...he is very active,

: mentally and frail but active physically. He cannot control the drooling

: and it is bothering him to no end.  Would appreciate any help or advice.

: On list or private email to me.  thanks...Barbara

: wattsb@mail.firn.edu



Drooling with numbness suggests inanity (Yang depletion) of the

Spleen/Stomach system and their Channels (which traverse the chin and mouth

margin). --Moxibustion on the Stomach Channel--, an all warm food diet with

frequent soup, supplemental ginseng--ginger, black pepper, and mustard as

condiments (as tolerated). NO COLD FOODS, FRUIT, OR FRUIT JUICE.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



In message ID <Pine.SUN.3.91.960131231257.11563A-100000@aimnet.aimnet.com> on

1/31/96, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I just wanted to say that when ever I get a canker sore, I hold ice on it

: for as long as it takes the ice cube to melt.  The sore will get a little

: numb.  I do this a couple of times a day.  Usually it will leave before

: developing any further, by the next day.  Actually it works every time

: for me.

:

: Georgann



A practice that will work fine for Hot-type apthae. COLD-type, most usually

due to iced tea or frozen youghurt, will be better served by taking ginger

tea and warming the stomach back up. The critical issue in the development of

these sores is that the Stomach Channel traverses the inner cheeks. Whatever

factor is overflowing from the stomach itself will end up in those Channels.

If the sore is red-tipped, better by cold application, then it suggests an

overconsumption of hot food, or skipped and delayed meals, or emotional

stress. If the aptha is white-tipped, that suggests cold food consumption,

exhaustion, or excessive coffee consumption in some cases.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:10:57 -0500

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From:         Gerry Fox <WA2VKS@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



Hi. Canker sores are caused by the herpes simplex virus. After the initial

infection, usually while a person is young, the virus remains throughout

life, with remissions and recurrences at various times. Usually, it will

flare up during times of stress, or when the immune system is weak or being

taxed. They can be quite painful, but are self limiting , and usually go away

by themselves in about ten days.

If a person is in a very stressed stage, as our smoker friend is, they can

remain for quite a while.

I usually recommend a topical medication, but I'm sure many of you have

remedies that I would like to learn about for use in my practice. Any

suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks, Gerry

Gerald Fox, DDS



I thought this was interesting...I have a friend who is extremely

prone to cankre sores.  He quit smoking 3 weeks ago or so and since

then he has had a continual major eruption.  I can't find any

reference to these in any of my books...can anyone recommend something?

Something must be out of wack?



thanks,

beth



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         "Laura A. Burstein" <laura915@CCNET.COM>

Subject:      Uses for a Weed?



I was wondering if anybody has information about a weed (?) that I have

growing on the side of my house.  It is an individual stem with a yellow

flower (actually kind of pretty).  As kids, we called them "sour grass" and

chewed on the stems.  It's quite common here in No.California.



Can this plant be used for anything?  I have a ton of it.



Thanks,



Laura



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      Re: Uses for a Weed?



"... information about a weed (?) that I have

growing on the side of my house.  It is an individual stem with a yellow

flower (actually kind of pretty).  As kids, we called them "sour grass" and

chewed on the stems.  It's quite common here in No.California."



Dear Laura,



If the leaves look like clovers (I bet they do!), you are probably looking at

bermuda sorrel (Oxalis sp.). If you like the taste, eat it raw and use the

flowers to beautify and spice up your salads (yummy). Some sorrels (usually

rumex sp.) make good soup, but I'm not sure about yours.  Medicinally, its

virtue is in high vitamin C content, making it specific for treating scurvy--

which is not too common.



Patricia Harper

harper p@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Marilynne Durrett-Johnson <Mjbdj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Uses for a Weed?



Laura,



Do the leaves have three lobes resembling shamrock?  Old wives tales from my

youth were that it would settle a sour stomach, therefore the name "sour

grass."  Can't remember if it really did settle a sour stomach or not,

though.



I've lived in Indiana, Ohio and now North Carolina, and it is readily

availble in all of these states also.



Melle



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Laura Hundt User <LHundt@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Uses for a Weed?



In a message dated 96-02-01 18:51:10 EST, you write:



>I was wondering if anybody has information about a weed (?) that I have

>growing on the side of my house.  It is an individual stem with a yellow

>flower (actually kind of pretty).  As kids, we called them "sour grass" and

>chewed on the stems.  It's quite common here in No.California.

>

>Can this plant be used for anything?  I have a ton of it.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Laura



Does this weed usually grow with clover like weeds, or is it just a single

yellow flower??? I also live in No. CA, and if the weed you are asking about

grows with clovers, I have a large patch also in my back yard, I would also

appreciate info on this weed, and will try to find out some from friends

around here...

                                             Willow  (Laura H)



  "And the fruit thereof shall be meat, and the leaf thereof shall be

medicine"

             Ezekial 47:12



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Bernadette Brumfield <Bernade332@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



Cankre Sores---Use aloe vera leave directly on sores or better buy the Aloe

Vera Juice and drink two ounces twice a day---directly affects the

virus---also use on small swab directly on the cankre sore.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



In message ID <960201161055_309458573@emout04.mail.aol.com> on 2/1/96, Gerald

Fox, DDS wrote:



: Hi. Canker sores are caused by the herpes simplex virus.



That's wrong, unless there is a different folk naming convention where you

live and practice.



On the west coast of the U.S., at least, the term 'canker sores' refers to

apthae, which I am sure you are aware have nothing whatsoever to do with

herpes virus, and its so-called 'cold' sores.' Herpetic sores are usually on

the lips, and only very rarely in the mouth, while the reverse is true of

apthae. Apthae have no known cause, and are a transient lesion that are not

infectious.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Eric Yarnell <yarnell@SCN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Honey and boutcalism

In-Reply-To:  <960130084108_131188220@mail06.mail.aol.com>



The disease you are refering to is botulism, caused by ingestion of

spores from the bacteria _Clostridium botulinum_ which grow into the

bacteria in the gut.  This bacteria produces a very dangerous toxin

which can be lethal.  There are numerous cases of infants dying

from eating honey which is contaminated with spores from this bacteria.

Therefore it is recommended that honey never be given to infants.  I am

not currently aware of adults with competent immune systems having any

problems of this nature.



Eric Yarnell (ND candidate 1996, Bastyr University)



On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Donna Hench wrote:



> Sorry bout the spelling but hope you know what I mean.  In a recent Herbal

> Studies that I teach I recommended that people try to get and use local

> honey.  It helps with allergies (like getting a shot of the local pollins-

> same thing as getting shots but naturally).  I had someone tell me that there

> is a good change of botchalism in unprocessed honey.  Has anyone ever heard

> such a thing?

>

> donna in Mars, PA

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      Re: Honey and boutcalism

In-Reply-To:  <199601310151.UAA00681@escape.com>



Although honey is powerful antibacterial, it is not able to destroy the

spores of _Clostridium botulinum_.  These spores can withstand incredible

stresses--an evolutionary mechanism for the bacteria to stay alive.  However,

the adult immune system and GI tract are usually strong enough to protect

against infections.  In infants this is not always the case.



Eric Yarnell (ND candidate 1996, Bastyr Univ.)



On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Paul Bernier wrote:



> No, and I don't expect to. Honey has the property of being able to kill any

> bacteria that it somes into contact with -- it sort of sucks the life out of

> them. That's why you'll never see mold on it. Raw honey has more enzymes,

> etc. than the filtered and boiled variety.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:35:50 -0800

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Subject:      Re: Honey and boutcalism

In-Reply-To:  <01BAEF62.BED3E060@vernon-1-04.junction.net>



Again I must repeat that the problem with botulism is not the bacteria

which are not alive in the honey but the spores that they form.  Infant

poisoning by honey is well documented and I strongly recommend that honey

of any type, processed or otherwise, not be given to infants.



Eric Yarnell



On Tue, 30 Jan 1996, Shanta McBain wrote:



> On Tuesday, January 30, 1996 5:41 AM, Donna Hench[SMTP:Henchpa@AOL.COM] wrote:

> > I had someone tell me that there

> >is a good change of botchalism in unprocessed honey.  Has anyone ever heard

> >such a thing?

>

> There has been a lot of bad press on unprocessed honey. The real problems lie more in the processed stuff virtually dead sugar. The scare is mostly for infants under 12 months and has not got too much fact behind it. I have used raw honey straight from the bees for years with no ill effects for me or my family.  I don't know of any unbiased studies done on the raw product that has been done recently. I believe that any food given to the rundown individual can result in harm. If you are in even reasonable health I vary much doubt that raw honey will give you botcalism poisoning. After all no bacteria will actually thrive in honey the sugar content is far to high. It will grow in your body after it has gotten into your system.

>

> I have used raw honey (processed honey will not work) with great results for the treatment of 2nd and 3rd degree burns.   It feeds the area, provide a semi sterile dressing, and because it is water soluble it carries the cell waste away when you wash and change the honey as needed. I have had 3rd degree burns heal without any scar?

>

> Eat the raw honey its really is good for you. There will always be someone that will try to tell you that it is not good for you.



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From:         Shirley Traite <traite@SDAC.HARVARD.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Uses for a Weed?



Laura wrote:



>I was wondering if anybody has information about a weed (?) that I have

>growing on the side of my house.  It is an individual stem with a yellow

>flower (actually kind of pretty).  As kids, we called them "sour grass" and

>chewed on the stems.  It's quite common here in No.California.



>Can this plant be used for anything?  I have a ton of it.



Alas I don't have my plant id /medicinal plants books a here at my work

 (and you didn't describe the leaves) but what you've described sounds

like what is commonly known as 'wood sorrel' (and 'sour grass')

here in New England. If it has shamrock like leaves then that's probaly what

 it is.  I seem to recall that is useful for something but that it is also not wise to eat a whole mess of it! I sometimes snack on it while I garden.



My best!



Shirley Traite (traite@sdac.harvard.edu) |Harvard School of Public Health

Statistical Programmer                   |Blg 1, Rm 1202-H 677 Huntington Ave

Center for Biostatistics in AIDS Research|Boston, MA  USA 02115





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From:         houndstooth girl <NMILLS@LAB.NEWMAN.K12.LA.US>

Organization: Isidore Newman School

Subject:      Re: Uses for a Weed?



just as an aside,

here in New  Orleans we've got a weed with a single stem

but a purple flower

and of which the stems are sour

but tasty, I made a salad recently....

also, I wrote in about chinese flame vine a while ago

with the certian risk of boring you horribly

I'd like to know if anyone out there knows

anything

about it, I'm really curious!



spinach and salad greens, Naa Koshie.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:36:33 -0500

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From:         Gerry Fox <WA2VKS@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



In a message dated 96-02-02 04:47:55 EST, you write:



>: Hi. Canker sores are caused by the herpes simplex virus.

>

>That's wrong, unless there is a different folk naming convention where you

>live and practice.

>

>On the west coast of the U.S., at least, the term 'canker sores' refers to

>apthae, which I am sure you are aware have nothing whatsoever to do with

>herpes virus, and its so-called 'cold' sores.' Herpetic sores are usually on

>the lips, and only very rarely in the mouth, while the reverse is true of

>apthae. Apthae have no known cause, and are a transient lesion that are not

>infectious.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--



Hi Paul. I agree that Aphthous ulcers are not caused by the herpes virus. In

my parctice, most patients refer to any sore in their mouths as canker sores.

Herpetic lesions usually are on the movable soft tissue areas, such as the

lips. They are especially common on the tongue and cheeks. Apthous ulcers are

exactly as you described, but are very often found on the firmer tissues of

the mouth, such as the gingivae. They often appear in clusters, too, of

multiple tiny ulcers. Either way, both of these types of lesions are painful

and annoying.

I appreciate your replying to me, Paul, as I respect your knowledge, and

wonder if you have practical suggestions as to how I would recommend treating

these lesions to my patients. All commercial remedies are purely topical in

nature, and only treat symptoms. I much prefer a natural or holistic way,

instead of chemicals. I have just read that two ounces of aloe juice, plus

aloe applied directly to the lesions will help. Do you agree with this?

Thanks, Gerry



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:43:53 EST

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From:         Jane Haskell-Cowles <janehc@UMCE.UMEXT.MAINE.EDU>

Subject:      herniated disc



Hello, all, this is my first time out with a question ...

my brother has a herniated disc, lower portion of the back.  Any

thoughts how he can keep the agonizing pain under control?  He has

recently taken an oral steroid and seems bent on going in that

direction.  He has problems sitting, standing for long periods, has

numbness in one leg and foot and is almost at wits end.  thanks, jane



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:45:10 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Me again!/hair dye



At 11:06 PM 1/24/96 +0100, you wrote:

>Hello all, this might sound as a dumb question(never thought of it before),

>but im wondering if there is anyone out there who has made their own

>hairdye, and if so can you send me a recipie for it and what plants that you

>can use, im also looking for plants that you can use in dyeing clothes and

>nice stuff like that.

>

>Ha

I was told when in the middle east that Arab women at one time dyed their

hair with camel urine.  I didn't try it.

You might try yellow onion skins for dye.  I have used it on easter eggs.

boil a handful  on onion skins in about a pint of water, add at least a

tablespoon of vinegar ( up to 1/4 cup to set dye).  Put a small fern leaf or

maybe a decomposing leaf against the egg and wrap in a nylon stocking foot.

The dye mixture should be quite warm. leave until egg is a nice golden color

and remove stocking and leaf.  It's very pretty.  I hope I remembered it all.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:45:13 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Chamomile tea



At 12:22 PM 1/26/96 -0800, you wrote:

>At  3:09 AM 1/26/96 -0500, Marilynne Durrett-Johnson wrote:

>>Judith,

>>

>>I'm not sure about giving chamomile or any herb to a very young baby, but I

>>do know that no baby under the age of 12 months should be fed honey, so if

>>you do decide to give the baby any kind of tea, be sure you do not use honey

>>to sweeten it.  Use Karo or corn syrup instead.  The honey is raw and

>>contains bacteria that a very young child's digestion system cannot handle.

>

>I read your post with great interest as I had never heard this about honey

>before.  Do you know if molasses or maple syrup is alright to feed to young

>children?

>

It is only raw honey that is not recommended for babies. pasteurized or

cooked honey is OK.  Molasses can be given to babies that are constipated.

It gets things gently moving (I've used it before). Maple syrup should be OK

if cooked to kill any pathogens. But why give lots of sweets to babies

anyway? they don't need them.  I have used tons of Chamomile on my 5

children from the start of their lives.  Other herbs I have found safe and

useful for children are catnip and mints.  Fennel used sparingly can be

useful for the most difficult cases of colic, gas.  Just remember when using

any herb to be prudent, wise, knowledgeable and modest in frequency and dosages.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:02:22 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Canker sores?



At 01:50 AM 2/2/96 GMT, you wrote:

>In message ID <960201161055_309458573@emout04.mail.aol.com> on 2/1/96, Gerald

>Fox, DDS wrote:

>

>: Hi. Canker sores are caused by the herpes simplex virus.

>

>That's wrong, unless there is a different folk naming convention where you

>live and practice.

>

>On the west coast of the U.S., at least, the term 'canker sores' refers to

>apthae, which I am sure you are aware have nothing whatsoever to do with

>herpes virus, and its so-called 'cold' sores.' Herpetic sores are usually on

>the lips, and only very rarely in the mouth, while the reverse is true of

>apthae. Apthae have no known cause, and are a transient lesion that are not

>infectious.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



Whatever canker sores in the mouth are called, I have used liquorice root

powder on them with great success.  They are often eliminated after one

application.  I just pinch some powder and put it where it hurts.  Even the

kids don't mind using it.  It does help some on lip cold sores but not as well.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:55:28 -0500

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From:         deborah lynn kasarda <dkasarda@INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?

In-Reply-To:  <64745470.5082904@pop.com>



On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Paul Iannone wrote:



> In message ID <960201161055_309458573@emout04.mail.aol.com> on 2/1/96, Gerald

> Fox, DDS wrote:

>

> : Hi. Canker sores are caused by the herpes simplex virus.

>

> That's wrong, unless there is a different folk naming convention where you

> live and practice.

>

> On the west coast of the U.S., at least, the term 'canker sores' refers to

> apthae, which I am sure you are aware have nothing whatsoever to do with

> herpes virus, and its so-called 'cold' sores.' Herpetic sores are usually on

> the lips, and only very rarely in the mouth, while the reverse is true of

> apthae. Apthae have no known cause, and are a transient lesion that are not

> infectious.

>

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



        Yes, I was told the same thing by a physician. They are not caused

by the herpes virus.  I seem to get a batch of these beauties every so

often without any apparent correlation to stress, illness, etc.  This

particular time they were on my throat and I thought I had an infection.

The MD told me that there is no known cause and they are not infectious

the way viral lesions are.



        Debbie

        dkasarda@indiana.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:07:45 -0800

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From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Uses for a Weed?

In-Reply-To:  <v01530500ad36710c3bba@[206.80.32.128]>



It's also called "oxalis" (shamrock-type leaves, right?).  The seed pods

are interesting, in that they "explode" when dry and scatter seeds all

over the place.  I believe "Oxalis" is the genus name, not sure what the

species name is.  Other than chewing on it, I don't know of any common

uses for it.



Peter

plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, Laura A. Burstein wrote:



> I was wondering if anybody has information about a weed (?) that I have

> growing on the side of my house.  It is an individual stem with a yellow

> flower (actually kind of pretty).  As kids, we called them "sour grass" and

> chewed on the stems.  It's quite common here in No.California.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:29:20 -0800

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From:         "Susan L. Nielsen" <snielsen@EDNET1.OSL.OR.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Honey and boutcalism



Paul Bernier opined:

>Honey has the property of being able to kill any

>bacteria that it somes into contact with...

>That's why you'll never see mold on it.



Aside from Eric's excellent comments, it is worth noting,

as well, that "mold" is not a bacterium, but a fungus.  A

modicum of precision might serve us well here.



Susan



--

Susan Nielsen, Shambles Workshops      |"...Gently down the

PO Box 16571, Portland, OR 97216, USA  |stream..."

snielsen@orednet.org                   |           -- Anon.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:57:28 -0800

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From:         The Doctor {Who?} <doctor@NETCOM.COM>

Organization: Who says I have to be organized!?!

Subject:      Re: Canker sores?



> >apthae. Apthae have no known cause, and are a transient lesion that are not



I cannot totally agree with this one statement...



They DO have a known cause to some...  Any foods with a particularly strong

acid content WILL cause them for me...



RAW tomato (the kind WITH seeds, anyway...  Take the seeds out for some

reason and it's OK), oranges, and similar are VERY apt. to cause them for

me, and I can get them in SECONDS after having had them at times.



Also, most types of gum (Wrigleys, etc) will do it for me, too.



If I keep away from the above, I usually don't get 'em.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:29:05 EST

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From:         Carolyn McLaughlin <D700047@UNIVSCVM.CSD.SCAROLINA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Opium, violets, and kudzu (Don't panic!) - Reply

In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 25 Jan 1996 21:29:01 -0500 from

              <wpwmagic@cris.com>



Kudzu is supposed to make a rather nice homemade paper.  You know, dry leaves,

blend in blender with small amounts of water, press into paper form with screen

Pretty desperate, however, when you drive through the South and see field after

field, mile after mile of trees looking like Disney characters and dying under

the suffocation of Kudzu.  I would recommend NOT sharing the seeds.  The paper

making is a last resort.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:05:35 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



In message ID <960201202029_412431106@emout07.mail.aol.com> on 2/1/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Cankre Sores---Use aloe vera leave directly on sores or better buy the Aloe

: Vera Juice and drink two ounces twice a day---directly affects the

: virus---also use on small swab directly on the cankre sore.



There is no virus, unless you are referring to cold sores. That is a good

therapy for cold sores. For canker sores, apthae, aloe vera is inappropriate

for cold-type.



I will only say this one last time.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:05:45 GMT

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Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



In message ID <01I0PHLHB9LE001672@pc.maricopa.edu> on 2/1/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Yes,  try lysine tablets:  it's an enzyme that sometimes needs

: boosting.  Don't know how much, but have used it before, so know it works.

:

: Joy



Lysine is an amino acid, not an enzyme. It works for cold sores, ie. herpes

eruptions, by addressing the arginine/lysine ratio in the blood. If the

arginine proportion is high enough, viral replication can occur, bringing on

an eruption. Taking lysine counters that trend, but you have to also avoid

foods that have a negative lysine balance: cocoa, carob, coconut, peas,

wheat....



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 13:29:13 -0700

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From:         Elizabeth Williams <will2099@BLUE.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU>

Subject:      Herbs for stress/stage fright

In-Reply-To:  <BBD9CD77CB@lab.newman.k12.la.us>



I've got a big audition coming up in about a week and a half, and

unfortunately I have a tendency to get very shaky for performances like

this. Does anyone know of an herb that has a calming and/or centering

effect? I'd never want to go as far as to take beta-blockers or anything

like that, but if I could find something a little relaxing I think it

would help. Thanks.



Elizabeth Williams

will2099@blue.univnorthco.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:29:42 -0500

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From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      Help for swelling!



DEar Herblist,

         I have a broken tooth that has abcessed and am taking medication

for it . However, my face is swollen and soon my eye is going to go shut, my

nose is crooked and my mouth is diagonal. I know that there are herbal

poultices for sweling and have found a couple in my books, but cannot get to

the plants (ground frozen).



I would like some relief, if anyone has an idea. SOONER the BETTER.



Thanks in advance.



Peace, Paula



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:58:13 -0500

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From:         Laura Hundt User <LHundt@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Hibiscus Shampoo &Colocynthis



   Hi,   I just purchased a bottle of Nirvana Hibiscus Shampoo at my local

health food store and was wondering if anyone here has used this or something

similar and if you have, how you felt about it.....  It contains Aqueous

extract of Hibiscus, Red Ginger Madder Root, Marigold Flowers, Cloves,

Retinyl Palimate, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Cocoamphocarboxglycinate, Cocomide

DEA, Jojoba Oil, Rice Bran Oil, Vitamin E oil, Hair Keratin Protein,

Grapefruit seed Extract, Methylparaben, Propylparben, and Essential Oils.



I was also wondering if anyone heard of something called colocynthis, my

friend is taking it for her cramps and has been raving about it... she also

purchased it at our local health food store...    Willow



   "And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of nations"  Revelation

22:2



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 00:41:55 GMT

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Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



In message ID <960202103629_412816068@emout04.mail.aol.com> on 2/2/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I appreciate your replying to me, Paul, as I respect your knowledge, and

: wonder if you have practical suggestions as to how I would recommend

: treating these lesions to my patients. All commercial remedies are

: purely topical in nature, and only treat symptoms. I much prefer a

: natural or holistic way, instead of chemicals. I have just read that

: two ounces of aloe juice, plus aloe applied directly to the lesions

: will help. Do you agree with this? Thanks, Gerry



As I have stated, there are two basic types [in theory]: Hot and Cold. They

should, by Yin/Yang theory, be treated differently. Aloe vera is a Cold

herb...it's use should be in cases of Hot type. Warm applications like ginger

would help Cold type. The real point of this is that ANY aptha is the result

of digestive imbalance, and the important issue is to remedy that problem,

which is the 'root' of the case, as opposed to the sore, which is a 'branch'

phenomena.



I often predictively diagnose regular ice cream eating by hearing patients

describe these sores, while I rarely hear of the red-tipped, Hot type. This

tells me that those that consult with me here in Los Angeles [I have clients

here and elsewhere] tend toward Cold digestive complaints, not the Hot-type

you might expect in a stress-filled urban center. For them, Cold laxatives

like Aloe vera are inappropriate.



I specialize, as any Chinese traditional healer, in correcting lifestyle, NOT

in heavy application of herbs. For apthae of Cold type, ginger tea clears

them right up. For Hot-type, yes, Aloe, but I would more likely use

peppermint tea, unless signs of a need for laxation are presented.



Cold sores, herpetic sores, are another issue entirely. THAT they appear on

the lips instead of in the mouth is significant:



Placement on the lips, on the OUTSIDE of the body, shows that this is

originally an exterior Pathogen or evil. Together with genital herpes, they

are on the two areas of intimate contact with others--which suggests an

exterior Pathogen as well.



Apthae reflect a problem in the stomach, an inner problem. [If the apthae are

on the ridge of the teeth instead of the cheek, then the condition would

suggest involvement of the Kidneys as well (look for signs of exhaustion).

Tongue sores would involve the Heart as well (look for signs of insomnia or

confusion)].



All oral herpes outbreaks are Hot in nature, rising (as Heat does) to the

high point of the Large Intestine Channel (usually)[the upper lip; the lower

lip is the Stomach Channel], while genital herpes suggest the involvement of

Dampness, sinking to the loins [on the Liver Channel], which tend toward

Damp-Heat evils.



Clusters [as opposed to a single big sore] suggest Wind evils as well; in

other words, suggest a greater level of depletion or toxin in the system or

Channel. That gets off into discussion of Excess/Deficiency conditions, which

further complicates the diagnosis. But most apthae are a temporary Excess

condition, and can be treated simply.



Such an examination of a condition using Yin/Yang parameters is usually

interesting, though certainly not flawless. Since people tend to develop a

new layer of illness every decade, the use of Aloe for Cold-type apthae might

work instead on a Hot liver and help the stomach to function better. So these

are rather theoretical discussions of this particular health phenomena.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:21:25 -0500

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From:         "Robert M. & Paula Weiner" <wpwmagic@CRIS.COM>

Subject:      Re: Uses for a Weed?



At 19:28 2/1/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Laura,

>

>Do the leaves have three lobes resembling shamrock?  Old wives tales from my

>youth were that it would settle a sour stomach, therefore the name "sour

>grass."  Can't remember if it really did settle a sour stomach or not,

>though.

>

>I've lived in Indiana, Ohio and now North Carolina, and it is readily

>availble in all of these states also.



I grew up in Massachusetts, and we used to eat that weed.  We just called it

"sour stuff" because it had a slightly sour taste.



Bob



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 01:32:06 GMT

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Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Canker sores?



In message ID <199602021702.IAA00367@alaska.ktn.net> on 2/2/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Whatever canker sores in the mouth are called, I have used liquorice root

: powder on them with great success.  They are often eliminated after one

: application.  I just pinch some powder and put it where it hurts.  Even the

: kids don't mind using it.  It does help some on lip cold sores but

: not as well.



Not for nothing is licorice considered the Great Detoxifier! This therapy

doesn't address the underlying cause, though.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 01:15:48 GMT

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Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



In message ID <Pine.HPP.3.91.960202114815.6549B-100000@hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu>

on 2/2/96, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Yes, I was told the same thing by a physician. They are not caused

: by the herpes virus.  I seem to get a batch of these beauties every so

: often without any apparent correlation to stress, illness, etc.  This

: particular time they were on my throat and I thought I had an infection.

: The MD told me that there is no known cause and they are not infectious

: the way viral lesions are.

:

:         Debbie



Examine your diet. I would suggest you suspect something esoteric like

bananas.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 01:15:40 GMT

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Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: herniated disc



In message ID <199602021643.LAA15835@umce.umext.maine.edu> on 2/2/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hello, all, this is my first time out with a question ...

: my brother has a herniated disc, lower portion of the back.  Any

: thoughts how he can keep the agonizing pain under control?  He has

: recently taken an oral steroid and seems bent on going in that

: direction.  He has problems sitting, standing for long periods, has

: numbness in one leg and foot and is almost at wits end.  thanks, jane



Acupuncture will help, but herbals for this kind of condition are not really

a decent alternative for someone with little motivation other than an

immediate end to pain, regardless of longterm problems. People with such pain

complaints should eat well, rest often, and not take coffee or stimulants.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 2 Feb 1996 23:11:16 EST

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From:         Margaret Maurer <aa686@FREENET.AKRON.OH.US>

Subject:      Re: herniated disc

In-Reply-To:  <199602021643.LAA15835@umce.umext.maine.edu>; from "Jane

              Haskell-Cowles" at Feb 2, 96 11:43 am



Swim.  Exercise is the best way he can strengthen his back.  If he can't

swim, walk.



Use a lower lumbar support pillow in bed at night and when you drive.



Do your exercises



I suffered from back pain for 18 months after an automobile accident.

There is light at the end of the tunnel - you can heal without surgery, etc.



My thoughts are with him.



 --

Margaret in Cold and Snowy Northeastern Ohio



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:30:39 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Herbs with kombucha - you asked for it

Comments: To: TCLONTS@eac.cc.az.us



At 21:05 02.02.96 -0700, TCLONTS@eac.cc.az.us wrote:

>Does anyone have any idea why you shouldn't use herb tea when making

>kombucha? My parents are mormon (which makes my life REALLY hard) and the

>aren't too keen on the tea part.  Please help me!



Kombucha posts on the herblist give me indigestion, colic, diarrhoea,

sneezes, dripping eyes, canker sores, cold sores, yellow teeth, green

toenails, webbed fingers, dragon wings (and _dragon breath_ to go with

_that_ complaint), deer antlers (don't tell Paul) and a tiger tail.



Now _you_ wouldn't want all those, would you?

It's contagious ... you are warned.



(...there _is_ a kombucha list.)



Henriette

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:57:05 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Canker sores?



In message ID <199602021857.KAA16032@netcom21.netcom.com> on 2/2/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: > >apthae. Apthae have no known cause, and are a transient lesion

: that are not

:

: I cannot totally agree with this one statement...

:

: They DO have a known cause to some...  Any foods with a particularly strong

: acid content WILL cause them for me...



Well, clearly I have been describing their cause. What I was referring to was

no accepted conventional medical cause.



: RAW tomato (the kind WITH seeds, anyway...  Take the seeds out for some

: reason and it's OK), oranges, and similar are VERY apt. to cause them for

: me, and I can get them in SECONDS after having had them at times.



Both sour --fruit-- (Cold). Sour flavor stimulates the liver, which has a

permanent tendency towards an adverse relationship with the stomach.



: Also, most types of gum (Wrigleys, etc) will do it for me, too.

:

: If I keep away from the above, I usually don't get 'em.



Gum is almost all fruit flavored. If by Wrigleys you mean Juicy Fruit, it is

an apple and banana flavor. Gum produces Wind, a potentially pathogenic

factor...if you think about it, gum is inane chewing (a Stomach function, but

with no purpose. Can be debilitating).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:31:06 GMT

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From:         CB Leek <cleek@TERRA.NLNET.NF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Help for swelling!

In-Reply-To:  <199602022229.RAA19068@ansel.intersource.com>



On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:29:42 -0500, you wrote:



>         I have a broken tooth that has abcessed and am taking medication

>for it . However, my face is swollen and soon my eye is going to go shut, my

>nose is crooked and my mouth is diagonal. I know that there are herbal

>poultices for sweling and have found a couple in my books, but cannot get to

>the plants (ground frozen).

What medication?  From a dentist?  Cure the cause, not the symptom.

Your problem is quite serious, and should not be fooled around with.



!!!!   See a dentist ASAP if you've not already done so   !!!!



Herbal *support* for what your dentist precribes is a good idea, and

another matter, entirely.   The usual thing of echinacea/goldenseal

might be a good thing.

An old granny's recipe for drawing out infection was to use a warm

poultice of bread and milk.  However, be careful of applying poultices

to your situation, as the infection *might* be drawn through the skin

to the surface of your face.  Have seen that before.  It can leave a

scar.



>I would like some relief, if anyone has an idea. SOONER the BETTER.

Good plan.  If you've not done so yet, see your dentist.



>Thanks in advance.

>Peace, Paula

Good luck.

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 08:06:04 -0500

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From:         "Sherwood S. Tucker" <DDS1@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



In a message dated 96-02-02 19:43:37 EST, you write:



>>

>> : Hi. Canker sores are caused by the herpes simplex virus.

>>

>> That's wrong, unless there is a different folk naming convention where you

>> live and practice.

>>

>> On the west coast of the U.S., at least, the term 'canker sores' refers to

>> apthae, which I am sure you are aware have nothing whatsoever to do with

>> herpes virus, and its so-called 'cold' sores.' Herpetic sores are usually

>on

>> the lips, and only very rarely in the mouth, while the reverse is true of

>> apthae. Apthae have no known cause, and are a transient lesion that are

not

>> infectious.

>>

>> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>> --

>>

>        Yes, I was told the same thing by a physician. They are not caused

>by the herpes virus.  I seem to get a batch of these beauties every so

>often without any apparent correlation to stress, illness, etc.  This

>particular time they were on my throat and I thought I had an infection.

>The MD told me that there is no known cause and they are not infectious

>the way viral lesions are.

>

>        Debbie

>        dkasarda@indiana.edu



You are partly correct: "Canker" sores ARE caused by the Herpes Virus and are

mostly seen on the lips.  When they are they are seen in the oral cavity it

will 99% be on the kertinized tissue (attached gingiva,  hard palate etc).

Apthae on the other hand are found on the non keratinized movable tissue

(mucosa in the cheeks, under the tongue etc.) They ARE caused by a bacteria

(I was just at an Oral Path seminar) and can be treated with with an

antibiotic or TCM herbs or any other treatment that works for bacteria.



Sherwood S. Tucker DDS

Clearwater, FL  34616-3938



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 08:08:48 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cloves for toothache



In a message dated 96-02-03 04:21:25 EST, you write:



Here's something you can try.  It's available all year round.  Don't give up

on good on Tylenol though.    Put a few drops of clove oil on a cotton swab

then massage onto swollen and painful area.  Or you can put a clove directly

on the area and leave there as long as possible.  Cloves is not only a mild

pain reliever, it is also a local antiseptic.  Should help.



donna in MARS



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 08:08:50 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Aromatherapy



In a message dated 96-02-03 02:28:02 EST, you write:



Jeanne Rose sells aromatherapy supplies and also offers courses.  (I think

they are quite expensive.  Here is her address: 219 HC Carl St., San

Francisco, CA 94117-3804.



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 20:47:16 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



In message ID <960203080602_311223560@emout06.mail.aol.com> on 2/3/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: You are partly correct: "Canker" sores ARE caused by the Herpes

: Virus and are mostly seen on the lips.



This is like arguing over the common names of plants. Have it your way

(forget it).



: When they are they are seen

: in the oral cavity it will 99% be on the kertinized tissue (attached

: gingiva,  hard palate etc). Apthae on the other hand are found on

: the non keratinized movable tissue (mucosa in the cheeks, under the

: tongue etc.) They ARE caused by a bacteria (I was just at an Oral

: Path seminar) and can be treated with with an antibiotic or TCM

: herbs or any other treatment that works for bacteria.

:

: Sherwood S. Tucker DDS



That is exactly wrong, as regard TCM praxis. Apthae are NOT caused by

bacteria, since they are certainly present without infection in people with

no digestive problems. The actual cause is not the proximal cause.



TCM does NOT treat Cold-type apthae with Cold antibiotic herbs, but rather

rectifies the digestion, and the problem goes away, bacteria or no bacteria.



Hot-type are NOT treated with antibiotic herbs per se, even though most of

the antibiotic herbs are Cold in energetics.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 08:12:03 EST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Robert L. Lamons" <rlamons@PEN.K12.VA.US>

Subject:      Re: Canker sores?

In-Reply-To:  <64745470.10225447@pop.com>; from "Paul Iannone" at Feb 3,

              96 1:32 am



> : Whatever canker sores in the mouth are called, I have used liquorice root

> : powder on them with great success.  They are often eliminated after one

> : application.  I just pinch some powder and put it where it hurts.  Even the

> : kids don't mind using it.  It does help some on lip cold sores but

> : not as well.

>

> Not for nothing is licorice considered the Great Detoxifier! This therapy

> doesn't address the underlying cause, though.

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



Isnt licorice something you need to be careful with.  Have

heard you can use it too much and start to get problems from

the licorice itself.



--

*******************************************

I love learning, but I hate being taught! *

Bob Lamons-Annandale High School, Va.     *

rlamons@pen.k12.va.us                     *

rlamons@jei.umd.edu                       *

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 08:16:35 EST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Robert L. Lamons" <rlamons@PEN.K12.VA.US>

Subject:      Peanut leaves

In-Reply-To:  <64745470.10160543@pop.com>; from "Paul Iannone" at Feb 3,

              96 1:15 am



This was a comment on the Homeopathy list but I though I could

get better comments here.  Are her comments true about peanut

leaves?

Since it usually takes three days to work, it may just be the

secondary effect of the peanut sprouts that promotes sleep,

which puts

in nicely into the realm of homeopathy.  I will try potentising

some of

these shoots and doing some early provings.  But due to the

energies in

these shoots - (the stem growth hormones) seems like it should

be, or

could be, a gemmotherapy remedy.



    Peanut leaves have been used in China for 300 years

aparently for

hemorrages, hypertension and hyperlipidemia along with uses for

being a

sedative.  Information indicates there is no observed toxic

effects -

but of course they did not try using it homeopathically).  (My

information came from The Herbal Gram No. 17, 1988- and No. 26,

1992)--

*******************************************

I love learning, but I hate being taught! *

Bob Lamons-Annandale High School, Va.     *

rlamons@pen.k12.va.us                     *

rlamons@jei.umd.edu                       *

*******************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:45:05 -0500

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From:         "Peter L. Berghold" <peterb@SUPERLINK.NET>

Subject:      Re: Herbs for stress/stage fright



At 01:29 PM 2/2/96 -0700, Elizabeth Williams wrote:

>I've got a big audition coming up in about a week and a half, and

>unfortunately I have a tendency to get very shaky for performances like

>this. Does anyone know of an herb that has a calming and/or centering

>effect? I'd never want to go as far as to take beta-blockers or anything

>like that, but if I could find something a little relaxing I think it

>would help. Thanks.

>

Chamomile?  My mom swears that Celestial Seasonings Tension Tamer puts her

right to sleep.  On a nervous person it might just settle them down... :)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 20:58:43 -0600

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From:         Janet Brunner <wajabrun@WIN.BRIGHT.NET>

Subject:      White Willow Bark



Hi All,

        I have a question concerning the use of White Willow Bark for pain,

headaches, etc.  Would it be considered safe for children?  As White Willow

Bark was the basis for the synthesis of aspirin, and contains salicin would

there be any possibility of Reye's Syndrome?  Any response would be greatly

appreciated.



Thanks,

Janet Brunner

wajabrun@win.bright.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:13:41 -0800

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From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Canker sores?

In-Reply-To:  <199602021857.KAA16032@netcom21.netcom.com>



On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, The Doctor {Who?} wrote:



> RAW tomato (the kind WITH seeds, anyway...  Take the seeds out for some

> reason and it's OK), oranges, and similar are VERY apt. to cause them for

> me, and I can get them in SECONDS after having had them at times.

>

> Also, most types of gum (Wrigleys, etc) will do it for me, too.

>

> If I keep away from the above, I usually don't get 'em.



I know that people who are allergic to walnuts can get sores in their

mouths after eating them.  Perhaps some canker sores are caused by eating

foods which one is allergic to, and this is the only obvious indication.



Peter Schuerman



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 14:56:56 -0500

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From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs for stress/stage fright



Dear Elizabeth,

         You might try the Dr. Bach remedies...one in particular "Rescue

Remedy"or Valerian from the health food store.

Peace, Paula





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 15:11:16 -0500

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From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Help for swelling!



Yes, a dentist prescribed an antibiotic until infection is gone and then

root canal or removal. I Just wondered if there was anything I could do for

my face swelling?



>On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:29:42 -0500, you wrote:

>

>>         I have a broken tooth that has abcessed and am taking medication



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 14:51:24 -0700

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From:         Harding Rachel <hardingr@UCSU.COLORADO.EDU>

Subject:      Cankre sores and melanin

In-Reply-To:  <960203080602_311223560@emout06.mail.aol.com>



Dear friends, I have a question about cankre sores/cold sores which I

would like to pose to this group -- especially to any members of the

medical profession and others who may have had more in-depth

training/experience with this sort of thing:



        From my own casual observation, it appears that people with more

melanin in their skin (i.e., people of African descent, and darker-skinned

Asians, Latinos and Native Americans) seem to be much less prone to

cankre sores/cold sores than folks with less melanin.  In fact, the only

people I have known to experience these particular kind of skin-eruptions

have been whites and other very fair-skinned people.  Again, I emphasize

that I am talking only from my personal observation, I have no scientific

training in the subject and certainly less experience than a practicing

natural health-care provider would have.  I have been following this

discussion and would greatly appreciate any insights you could share with

me on the subject.  I do hope that my inquiry is received in the spirit

in which it is sent -- a sincere question, and not at all scurrilously

intended.



Peace,

Rachel H.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:14:33 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         MaryEllen Drewes <SunnyMED@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Aromatherapy list?



Elizabeth,



The aromatherapy list is: aromatherapy@metron.com.



It's not as busy as this list but there has been some interesting info

shared.



Come join us - I think you subscribe at LISTSERV@metron.com

and put: "subscribe aromatherapy"  (don't put the quotation marks around it)

in the body portion of your e-mail



MaryEllen



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:30:09 -0500

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From:         Patricia Harper <HarperP@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Help for swelling!



Dear Paula,

Chamomile is both soothing and effective for swelling. It is also readily

available. Even ordinary grocery stores carry chamomile tea.  Steep flowers

or tea bags in water to cover for 10 to 15 minutes (should be cool enough by

then--apply when it is comfortably warm. Place tea bags, or bulk herb wrapped

in cloth directly over the swelling and lay down for 20 minutes or so. Press

the tea out, keep it in the fridge, and use it as a fomentation over the next

two days by dipping cloth into it and applying as above. You can use it cold,

or warm it up in a microwave or saucepan (heat just to temperature desired).

It is gentle enough to place over closed eyes.



Sounds painful. You might want to drink a couple of cups to relax, too--steep

for 5 minutes for beverage or it becomes very bitter.  Good luck!



Patricia Harper

harperp@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:05:51 -0500

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From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores/cold sores?



>From the discussion so far, I have seen the difference between cold sores on

the lips due to herpes virus and cankers in the mouth and,..

i have a question.  at the corners of my mouth, the skin is cracked and sore.

 it's quite cold here at the moment (does that make it a cold sore? <smile>)

 i've been putting antibiotic gel on it,, any other suggestions?



Dara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 09:39:05 -0500

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From:         Barbara Howser <howser@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>

Subject:      storing herbs



I have recently acquired various herbs in quantities of one pound (16

ounces (sorry, don't have metric equivalent) from a reputable

supplier/distributor. I am investigating methods to make use of the space

I have available to store them until use.  Most of these I would like to

use for culinary/medicinal/therapeutic purposes.  I have saved the 12 ounce

amber-colored glass jars which Ovaltine comes in and placed some of the

herbs in these.  What, if any, are the reasons for not using clear glass

jars for storage.



Also, is metal harmful or toxic if used to store herbs?

(the metal container prepared flavored popcorn comes in)



thanks in advance  (I am not a professional herbalist, but wanting to

learn)

Barbara

Arlington, Texas



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 19:29:13 GMT

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From:         Graham White Hendon Green Party <hendongreen@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Honey and boutcalism

Comments: To: Puanani DeLara <puanani@MICF.NIST.GOV>



At 09:29 02/02/96 -0800, Susan L. Nielsen wrote:

>Paul Bernier opined:

>>Honey has the property of being able to kill any

>>bacteria that it somes into contact with...

>>That's why you'll never see mold on it.

>

>Aside from Eric's excellent comments, it is worth noting,

>as well, that "mold" is not a bacterium, but a fungus.  A

>modicum of precision might serve us well here.



Also honey does not 'kill' bacteria as such. The low water activity in honey

(and other high sugar or high salt content products) prevents bacterial

growth. Fungi, having a greater tolerance for low water activity levels,

will even grow in honey if you leave them for long enough.



Further, from 'Microbiology in Clinical Practice' by D. C. Shanson:

Infant Botulism - on rare occassions infants have been described who have

developed signs of botulism and in whose stools the toxin, and sometimes,

the infecting organism have been identified. The original source of the

infection has been obscure (honey has been implicated in some cases).

Characteristically, the infants present as 'floppy babies' with muscle

weakness, constipation and weakening sucking ability.



Cheers



Graham White

HENDON GREEN PARTY



HENDONGREEN@GN.APC.ORG

gcw3@student.open.ac.uk

gw035@mdx.ac.uk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:37:29 -0500

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From:         Paw Gep <PawGep@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs for stress/stage fright



In a message dated 96-02-03 02:33:37 EST, you write:



>I've got a big audition coming up in about a week and a half, and

>unfortunately I have a tendency to get very shaky for performances like

>this. Does anyone know of an herb that has a calming and/or centering

>effect?



For my last audition, I placed on a tissue a few drops of Sandalwood Pure

Essential Oil and Rose Pure Absolute and put this in my shirt pocket. I was

very relaxed, played my best audition ever, and yes, I was successful. No

beta blockers necessary.



PG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:05:42 -0500

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From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: herniated disc



I also have a herniated disc in my lower back and a bulgin one in my neck.

 They have recently been exacerbated by a run in with a semi-truck.  Unlike

the poster's brother, I am quite willing to do what it takes, energy and

finances permitting.

Any suggestions for me?



Dara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:24:31 -0500

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From:         Marilynne Durrett-Johnson <Mjbdj@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



I might be wrong but I though cankre sores were due to stomach problems and

lysine is for cold sores.    Maybe I'm wrong, but when I have a cankre sore,

I tend to take care of my stomach, and that takes care of the cankre sore.

 Also when I was a youngster, my grandmother used to have us put a small lump

of alum on the cankre sore.  It always helped, but was not very tasty.



As far as lysine is concerned, it does help with a cold sore.  My mother gets

them, but she is not fond of taking the lysine too much.  She swears by tea

tree oil (HONEST, GUYS, I DO NOT SELL THE STUFF!)



Melle



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 07:57:33 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Any use for Milkweed (Asclepias spp.)? - Reply



<< In the northeast US, milkweed roots can be roasted and eaten as a survival

food.  I've never tried eating them, but I'm told they were delicious,

although maybe you have to be really hungry to enjoy them.  Whether this

is the same milkweed as the one you have is questionable, so I wouldn't

try eating it.  Chances are the locals have a good reason for avoiding

it!



>>> Indigenous Languages Project <IndLangPrj@AOL.COM>  8/28  9:20am >>>

Hi folks,



I've been examining all of the local flora here on the Hualapai

Reservation in Arizona to see what medicinal (and other) uses there are.

 I have come across a *huge* (miles long) stand of, *I think*,

Milkweed (Asclepias spp.) in a place called, appropriately, Milkweed

Canyon (topographic maps:  Milkweed Canyon SW, Arizona, and Milkweed

Canyon NW, Arizona--roughly the area 35 37'30" N by 113 45'00" W).

The local elevation for this stand ranges from about 4,800 feet down to

about 4,400 feet--a relatively flat canyon along this stretch.

The soil conditions are fairly moist for this area.  (The Hualapai name

for this plant is Ilwithuj, if that helps anyone--I can't seem to find

a good picture in any books.)  When asking around about the

Hualapai uses for this plant, the answer I get from everyone is: none.

 I've been told that this plant is poisonous to livestock, so

I suspect that it would be poisonous to me as well.  Is anyone familiar

with this plant?  And if so, are there any uses for it?

For anything, medicinal or otherwise?  I can find very little information

about this plant.  I picked a sample plant bare-handed

(a practice I try to avoid with unknown plants) and have had no adverse

effects, i.e. itching, rash, stickers, etc.



TIA,

Chuck



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:25:39 GMT

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From:         CB Leek <cleek@TERRA.NLNET.NF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Cloves for toothache

In-Reply-To:  <960203080844_413460961@emout05.mail.aol.com>



On Sat, 3 Feb 1996 08:08:48 -0500, you wrote:



>Here's something you can try.  It's available all year round.  Don't give up

>on good on Tylenol though.    Put a few drops of clove oil on a cotton swab

>then massage onto swollen and painful area.  Or you can put a clove directly

>on the area and leave there as long as possible.  Cloves is not only a mild

>pain reliever, it is also a local antiseptic.  Should help.



The active ingredient in clove oil is eugenol.

It is *still* used in that form by dentists.  Has been in use since

?3000 BC (ancient Egypt).

It is best and most effective when used on an open tooth (cavity or

fracture), not on the gums.  It is classed as an obtundant.

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:25:30 GMT

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From:         CB Leek <cleek@TERRA.NLNET.NF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores/cold sores?

In-Reply-To:  <960204150551_213932321@mail02.mail.aol.com>



On Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:05:51 -0500, you wrote:



>i have a question.  at the corners of my mouth, the skin is cracked and sore.

> it's quite cold here at the moment (does that make it a cold sore? <smile>)

> i've been putting antibiotic gel on it,, any other suggestions?

>

That's called angular cheilitis.

Often just simple vaseline will help.  Any moisturizer will.

It's not connected with any bacterial/viral infection, but with folds

of skin that are continually irritated.  Thus, it is mechanical in

origin.  The alternating wet/dry/cold activity in winter of the corner

of the mouth exacerbates any tendency to this condition.

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 08:58:53 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Re: herniated disc - Reply



<< Although I din't have anything as serious as a herniated disk, I did

throw my back in 1987.  Since then, I  have regularly been doing "baby"

sit-ups to strengthen my stomach muscles.  This has helped strengthen

by back immensely, and while I am still sore when I wake up, the discomfort

goes away soon thereafter.  I have not had a recurrence of the back spasms

in 5 years.



>>> Margaret Maurer <aa686@FREENET.AKRON.OH.US>  2/ 2 11:11pm >>>

Swim.  Exercise is the best way he can strengthen his back.  If he can't

swim, walk.



Use a lower lumbar support pillow in bed at night and when you drive.



Do your exercises



I suffered from back pain for 18 months after an automobile accident.

There is light at the end of the tunnel - you can heal without surgery,

etc.



My thoughts are with him.



 --

Margaret in Cold and Snowy Northeastern Ohio



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:56:08 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: storing herbs



In a message dated 96-02-05 07:45:55 EST, you write:



> I have saved the 12 ounce

>amber-colored glass jars which Ovaltine comes in and placed some of the

>herbs in these.  What, if any, are the reasons for not using clear glass

>jars for storage.

>

>Also, is metal harmful or toxic if used to store herbs?



The Ovaltine jars sound great...just make sure they're thoroughly clean and

dry and have an airtight seal before putting herbs in them.  You can use

clear glass jars...your aim (regardless of the glass) is to store dried herbs

away from direct heat and sunlight.  Metal can effect your herbs, especially

if it comes in contact while preparing formulas.  Always try to use glass

(pyrex) when making decoctions, etc.  Similarly, use cheescloth or a paper

coffee filter instead of metal strainers when straining liquids.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:21:19 -0500

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From:         Jerry Cott <jcott@HELIX.NIH.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Herbs for stress/stage fright



At  1:29 PM 2/2/96 -0700, Elizabeth Williams wrote:

>>.... Does anyone know of an herb that has a calming and/or centering

>>effect?  I'd never want to go as far as to take beta-blockers or anything

>>like that, but if I could find something a little relaxing I think it

>>would help. Thanks.



On 1/5//95 Shaula wrote:

>I'm in production for a show that opens in March, so I will have some

>performance-and-herbs questions for the list soon, too--thanks for breaking

>the ice.



My daughter has had particular success with valerian for pre-presentation

anxiety.  Skullcap should also work well and both of these are easy to find

as either crude powdered herb or alcohol/water extracts, and are

inexpensive.  Start with a small dose-- you don't want to be sleepy.  I

haven't had experience with the kava kava that Shaula mentions, but the

Europeans seem to use it successfully as an *anxiolytic* along with

mainstream treatments.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jerry Cott, Ph.D.                                                   Tel:

301/443-4527

Chief, Pharmacol. Treatment Res. Program          Fax: 301/443-6000

National Institute of Mental Health, NIH        e-mail: jcott@.nih.gov

       "The earth is but one country, and mankind it's citizens."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:14:26 EST

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From:         Christy Langley <GRLANGLE@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU>

Subject:      Herbs to calm fear of public speaking?



I was wondering if an herb or herbs existed to help me out with this

problem? I have tried to overcome this fear. Mentally, I know there

should be no reason for it; however, physically, my body just seems to

panic when I must speak and not just in a large group. This occurs in

settings of few to several people. Sweaty palms, dry tongue, racing

heart....



I suppose I am seeking an herb that will act as a sedative and have a

calming effect, yet not put me to sleep or make me lose mental focus and

concentration?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:26:55 -0600

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From:         Mary Ann Gareis <mgareis@WARRIOR.MGC.PEACHNET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: canker sores



I've never had a cold sore, so I can't really speak to getting rid of them.

Canker sores I have had, and it seems to me that often when Ive gotten them

or anyone in my family has gotten them they seem to attest to a state of

beng run-down.  I used to get them a lot in college (not eating right, not

sleeping enough); I also tend to get them after I've been ill.  My mother's

doctor suggested that for her the cause could be insufficient B vitamins in

her diet.  I do know that now that I am older, wiser, take care of myself,

and eat a balanced diet, I don't get them.  But I think this might be one of

those cases which is different for different people.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:32:43 EST

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From:         Jane Haskell-Cowles <janehc@UMCE.UMEXT.MAINE.EDU>

Subject:      Re: herniated disc

In-Reply-To:  <9602030411.AA24348@freenet.akron.oh.us>; from "Margaret Maurer"

              at Feb 2, 96 11:11 pm



Thanks for the advice; I will pass it on.  It is also cold with not

much snow here in Maine.  Tho the bay is frozen solid so it looks like

a snowy whiteness!  jane



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:51:03 -0500

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From:         Karen Rhoda <Itype@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herniated disc



Find yourself a good chiropractor who uses "hands on" manipulation along with

physical therapy. This is the best form of conservative, drug free treatment

I have found.

Best of luck to you.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:33:58 -0500

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From:         Maryn Mckenna <AJCMARYN@AOL.COM>

Subject:      jet lag



(lurking mode off)

a mention a few days ago of herbs for insomnia prompts me to ask: are there

herbs/extracts that would be useful for jet lag?



as you all are undoubtedly aware, prevention of jet lag is one small part of

the enormous hype surrounding melatonin. as a medical reporter, i hear about

melatonin a great deal, since readers interested in trends tend to call me;

occasionally, the callers are asking for jet-lag help rather than eternal

youth/endless vitality/etc.



while i don't intend to prescribe *anything* for *any* of my readers, my

curiousity is piqued regarding the existence of an herbal alternative for

moderating the effects of jet lag. any comments?



(since we're talking about someone traveling, any herbs would probably have

to be in extract form, brewing/steeping opportunities often being in short

supply in hotel rooms...)



maryn mckenna

staff writer, clinical and complementary medicine

the atlanta journal and constitution



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:01:54 -0800

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From:         Tania Gutierrez <tgutierr@LANE.K12.OR.US>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores and melanin



At 02:51 PM 2/3/96 -0700, you wrote:

>        From my own casual observation, it appears that people with more

>melanin in their skin (i.e., people of African descent, and darker-skinned

>Asians, Latinos and Native Americans) seem to be much less prone to

>cankre sores/cold sores than folks with less melanin.

>

>Peace,

>Rachel H.



Rachel,



I am latino, and used to get canker sores on a regular basis.  My nephew

gets them on occasion also.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:28:58 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores/cold sores?



In message ID <960204150551_213932321@mail02.mail.aol.com> on 2/4/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: From the discussion so far, I have seen the difference between cold sores

on

: the lips due to herpes virus and cankers in the mouth and,..

: i have a question.  at the corners of my mouth, the skin is cracked

: and sore.

:  it's quite cold here at the moment (does that make it a cold sore?

<smile>)

:  i've been putting antibiotic gel on it,, any other suggestions?

:

: Dara



Cold Dryness. Treating that with antibiotics is silly. Apply emolients! And

up your intake of sesame oil.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:29:34 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Canker sores?



In message ID <Pine.SOL.3.91.960204131119.13096D-100000@boris.ucdavis.edu> on

2/4/96, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I know that people who are allergic to walnuts can get sores in their

: mouths after eating them.  Perhaps some canker sores are caused by eating

: foods which one is allergic to, and this is the only obvious indication.

:

: Peter Schuerman



Walnuts are very Hot in nature. Sure, that energetic nature can really offend

the stomach.



The diagnosis of 'allergy' implies that the food can never be eaten. But that

very same 'allergy' spontaneously disappears, in many cases, when the health

balance is corrected.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:29:24 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Peanut leaves



In message ID <199602041316.IAA63580@pen2.pen.k12.va.us> on 2/4/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Peanut leaves have been used in China for 300 years

: aparently for hemorrages, hypertension and hyperlipidemia along with uses

for

: being a sedative.  Information indicates there is no observed toxic

: effects -but of course they did not try using it homeopathically).  (My

: information came from The Herbal Gram No. 17, 1988- and No. 26,

: 1992)--]



Peanuts were only introduced into China 300 years ago! The uses of such a

short-term exposure cannot be very clearcut (hyperlipidemia my hynnie).

Peanuts, themselves, are not a part of the materia medica--they are a food

adjunct, and the use of the leaf belongs pretty much to the local folk

herbalism of the far south of China (I could find no reference to this, even

in the epic Medicinal Plants of East and Southeast Asia, by Perry, 1980).



The shells are also used, for 'hypertension.' Lu reports a folk tradition of

eating peanuts regularly to 'relieve deafness.' The brown skin of the raw

peanut is apparently experimentally effective in treating hemophiliac

hemorrhage (and Lu notes that the skin should be left on for all folk uses).

Arginine and glutamic acid are the likely sources of some of these effects,

and depletion of arginine is a major issue in protein poor diets of Southeast

Asia--so your mileage will probably vary. When peanuts were first introduced,

they were considered a major longevity food for that same reason, imo.



In my own practice, I recommend peanuts and peanut butter for quick

restoration from states of exhaustion. I discovered that secret when I was

two years old, along with many of my 'herbalist' peers.



A glass of milk helps keep the herb from sticking to the roof of the mouth

(the so-called 'superior os'). This has become an ancient family tradition

which I am now sharing for the first time.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:42:49 -0500

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From:         CAROL CROSBY <GRCC1@DIN.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: storing herbs



While we are discussing storage of herbs...this may seem like a silly

question, but when I try to dry herbs, I have found that dirt clings

to the leaves when I pick them and is difficult to remove.  Trying

to shake the dirt off rosemary and thyme means picking through dirt

to separate the fallen leaves. Can anyone recommend a better method?



Carol



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 22:43:39 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: herniated discs:



regarding various advice on herniated discs:



it is usual today to have an MRI to discover whether a disc is ruptured or=

 herniated. This is useful.  some herniation can be gradually accommodated=

 by gentle osteopathic soft tissue manipulation ( NOT chiropractic which=

 should be avoided in these cases it is far too traumatic an approach) and=

 strengthening exercises coupled with avoidance of adverse movements,=

 lifting etc.



rupture, particularly if compressing a nerve, is exceedingly painful and=

 there are grounds for considering surgery which has improved immeasurably=

 since the "kipper" days, and

uses semi-keyhole techniques to remove the cartilage compressing the nerve.=

 10 years ago the op had a very bad prognosis - it is less bad these days.=

 the indication is probable nerve damage.



to be honest, herbs won't help much except for topical arnica oil/gaultheria=

 oil massage around the affected parts. if the pain is tolerable in the=

 short term, best to think in terms of trying to improve without surgery for=

 say 6 months - then review the situation.



bad nerve pain can be helped with cannabis by the way....



jonathan



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 05:27:26 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Herbs to calm fear of public speaking?



In message ID <HERB%96020519180946@VM.EGE.EDU.TR> on 2/5/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I was wondering if an herb or herbs existed to help me out with this

: problem? I have tried to overcome this fear. Mentally, I know there

: should be no reason for it; however, physically, my body just seems to

: panic when I must speak and not just in a large group. This occurs in

: settings of few to several people. Sweaty palms, dry tongue, racing

: heart....

:

: I suppose I am seeking an herb that will act as a sedative and have a

: calming effect, yet not put me to sleep or make me lose mental focus and

: concentration?



Homeopathic therapy is very effective for this kind of complaint. Herbal

therapy is not.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:08:00 PST

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From:         Ian Lloyd <illoyd@DUNCAN.ISLAND.NET>

Subject:      Re: White Willow Bark



>Hi All,

>        I have a question concerning the use of White Willow Bark for pain,

>headaches, etc.  Would it be considered safe for children?  As White Willow

>Bark was the basis for the synthesis of aspirin, and contains salicin would

>there be any possibility of Reye's Syndrome?  Any response would be greatly

>appreciated.

>

>Thanks,

>Janet Brunner

>wajabrun@win.bright.net

>

If I had a choice I wouldn't risk it. Reye's syndrome has been associated

with salicylates, ie aspirin. White willow and meadowsweet contain

salicylates as their active ingredients. So there is the possibility.....

Ian Lloyd, Pharmacist

"I do it to try to end the suffering...

and I do it for the Nobodies."

Alan Grant, Batman:Shadow of the Bat #13



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:37:32 -0500

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From:         for Canyon Laurel <KKARRP@AOL.COM>

Subject:      False Unicorn Root



Anyone out there heard of this stuff?  False Unicorn Root is an ingredient in

a mixture I recently brewed up for myself (recipe from Rosemary Gladstars

book) and is recommended for hormonal support for peri-menopausal women.  My

usual resource for herbs, the local health food store doesn't have it in

stock, but will order it.  Just wondered about other names, where it grows,

etc. etc.   Thanks,  Canyon Laurel



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:54:02 -0500

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From:         Peg Skadowski <PegsHerbs@AOL.COM>

Subject:      lemon balm



A friend of mine told me lemon balm was good for herpes.  Anyone had any

experience with this?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 12:58:27 -0500

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From:         Nora Fraser <nfraser@AURORA.LIUNET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Help for swelling!



Hi:

I was wondering if anyone has any information about swelling or reducing water from your system via herbal medecion.

I usually take the over the coneter stuff. But, I was wondering if there is anything l else that I can use.

Is there a tea that workd.

nora



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:05:04 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: herniated disc



At 03:05 PM 2/4/96 -0500, you wrote:

>I also have a herniated disc in my lower back and a bulgin one in my neck.

> They have recently been exacerbated by a run in with a semi-truck.  Unlike

>the poster's brother, I am quite willing to do what it takes, energy and

>finances permitting.

>Any suggestions for me?

>

There are  physical therapists who specialize in sacro-cranial alignment.

I'm not talking about chiropractors. They use slow small movements with

pressure to put the system back into alignment.  They can work miracles.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:05:07 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Liquorice



For your information on using liquorice root. Check "The Healing Power of

Herbs" by Michael Murray, ND.  He says:

Uses: Viral infections,colds, viral hepatitis, AIDS, inflammation, menstrual

and menopausal disorders, peptic ulcers, canker sores, herpes, eczema,

psoriasis, etc.

Historical uses: demulcent, expectorant, antitussive, and mild laxative. Is

used extensively in Chinese medicine.

Pharmacology: estrogenic, aldosterone-like, anti-inflammatory

(cortisol-like), antiallergic, antibacterial, antiviral, anti-trichomonas,

antihepatotoxic, anti-convulsive, choleretic, anticancer, expectorant, and

antitussive.

Dosage: powdered root: 1-2 grams, fluid extract: 2-4 ml, solid dry powdered

extract: (4:1) 250-500mg.

Toxicity: "The main hazard of Licorice lies in its aldosterone-like effects.

If ingested regularly, licorice root (more than 3 grams daily for more than

6 weeks) or glycyrrhizin (more than 100 mg daily) may cause sodium and water

retention, hypertension, hypokalemia and suppression of the

renin-aldosterone system...Licorice should probably not be used in patients

with a history of hypertension, renal failure, or current use of digitalis

preparations."

For more information read the whole article in the book.  It is several

pages long.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Help for swelling!



At 03:11 PM 2/3/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Yes, a dentist prescribed an antibiotic until infection is gone and then

>root canal or removal. I Just wondered if there was anything I could do for

>my face swelling?

>

>>On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:29:42 -0500, you wrote:

>>

>>>         I have a broken tooth that has abcessed and am taking medication

>>>for it . However, my face is swollen and soon my eye is going to go shut, my

>>>nose is crooked and my mouth is diagonal. I know that there are herbal

>>>poultices for sweling and have found a couple in my books,

>

Mullein is very good for swelling.  I combine mullein (4 oz), Lobelia (2 oz)

and cayenne (1 tsp) and simmer in vinegar for 10 min. Strain the herbs out

and apply hot on a cloth to affected area. Keep warm for 1 hour.

It dissipates fluids and toxins and reduces swelling.  Keep in mind that you

should not use mullein on anything like cancerous swellings. That is

something you don't want dispersed in your system. Other herbs such as poke

root are for cancerous swellings.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:05:02 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: storing herbs



At 09:39 AM 2/3/96 -0500, you wrote:

>I have recently acquired various herbs in quantities of one pound (16

>ounces (sorry, don't have metric equivalent) from a reputable

>supplier/distributor. I am investigating methods to make use of the space

>I have available to store them until use.  Most of these I would like to

>use for culinary/medicinal/therapeutic purposes.  I have saved the 12 ounce

>amber-colored glass jars which Ovaltine comes in and placed some of the

>herbs in these.  What, if any, are the reasons for not using clear glass

>jars for storage.

>

>Also, is metal harmful or toxic if used to store herbs?

>(the metal container prepared flavored popcorn comes in)

>

>thanks in advance  (I am not a professional herbalist, but wanting to

>learn)

>Barbara

>Arlington, Texas



A good way to store herbs is to seal them with a vacuum sealer and freeze them.

Vacuum sealers cost about $100 dollars but you can do alot with them.

They're great for fish.  Even if you don't freeze them, they should keep

better if vacuum sealed.  Try sealing them in 1/4 lb packages and use as

needed. They can be kept in a cool dark place.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:01:23 -0500

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From:         Karen Rhoda <Itype@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs for stress/stage fright



I suffer from anxiety and mild panic attacks and find that Valerian root

capsules are very calming. Also elminate any products containing caffeine

from your diet.



Best of luck on your audition.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 3 Feb 1996 23:03:09 -0500

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From:         Gerry Fox <WA2VKS@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Help for swelling!



In a message dated 96-02-03 04:21:22 EST, you write:



>         I have a broken tooth that has abcessed and am taking medication

>for it . However, my face is swollen and soon my eye is going to go shut, my

>nose is crooked and my mouth is diagonal. I know that there are herbal

>poultices for sweling and have found a couple in my books, but cannot get to

>the plants (ground frozen).



Paula, My advice to you is to get to an oral surgeon and have what is called

an "incision and drainage" or I&D. You have a lot of pus under the mucosal

tissue there, and if it gets into some of the tissue spaces or blood vessels

nearby, the consequences can be very, very serious. You must have the pus

drained (it sounds worse than it is), then it can be treated by several

means. Conventional antibiotics will not bring down an infection like that

until the pus is drained. I can only assume herbal and holistic remedies wont

work either ( Paul, please let me know if I'm wrong).

However you decide to treat it, get the area drained first. Let us know how

you made out.

Gerry, DDS



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:01:50 -0500

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From:         Karen Rhoda <Itype@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herniated disc



Get him to a good chiropractor who uses physical therapy modalities and hands

on manipulation. Do your homework and ask lots of questions when choosing a

good chiropractor. Some only use activator or other mechanical manipulation

techniques, but by far "hands on" manipulation is the best possible form of

adjustment in these cases.



Best of luck



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 4 Feb 1996 09:47:19 -0500

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From:         "Sherwood S. Tucker" <DDS1@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores?



In a message dated 96-02-03 02:29:27 EST, you write:



>

>: Cankre Sores---Use aloe vera leave directly on sores or better buy the

Aloe

>: Vera Juice and drink two ounces twice a day---directly affects the

>: virus---also use on small swab directly on the cankre sore.

>

>There is no virus, unless you are referring to cold sores. That is a good

>therapy for cold sores. For canker sores, apthae, aloe vera is inappropriate

>for cold-type.

>

>I will only say this one last time.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--

>

>



This is one of the reasons generic "treatments" do not work all of the

time...



____  First the diagnosis MUST be accurate  ____



Sometimes the diagnosis is hit upon by good fortune - example in the cold

sore / apthae example one has a 50-50 chance that the chosen remedy will work

(sans diagnosis).



Sherwood S. Tucker DDS FAGD



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:06:27 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Peanut leaves and hearing loss?



To follow up Paul's reference, my inner ear hearing (senso-neural) loss

has so far resisted treatment by acupuncture or conventional diuretics.

 How would I attempt to utilize peanut shells to experiment?  I assume

their active ingredients are harmless..



>>> Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>  2/ 5  1:29pm >>>

In message ID <199602041316.IAA63580@pen2.pen.k12.va.us> on 2/4/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

....

The shells are also used, for 'hypertension.' Lu reports a folk tradition

of eating peanuts regularly to 'relieve deafness.' ....



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:13:35 -0500

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From:         Eric Boyd <eboyd@LIBRARY.UWATERLOO.CA>

Subject:      Re: White Willow Bark

In-Reply-To:  <m0tjehc-0004FoC@norm.island.net>



On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, Ian Lloyd wrote:



> >Hi All,

> >        I have a question concerning the use of White Willow Bark for pain,

> >

> If I had a choice I wouldn't risk it. Reye's syndrome has been associated

> with salicylates, ie aspirin. White willow and meadowsweet contain

> salicylates as their active ingredients. So there is the possibility.....



I've often wondered how strong this 'association' is. If Reye's Syndrome

is a rare disease to begin with, how would the 'risks' of aspirin be

accurately determined?



Is the incidence of Reye's syndrome decreasing now that we are being

warned of the risks.



Does anyone have any solid info at their fingertips that might help explain

how strong this 'risk' is?



Eric

eboyd@library.uwaterloo.ca

Research interest: melatonin/immune interactions



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:15:13 CST

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From:         Polly Croak <PC85118@UAFSYSA.UARK.EDU>

Subject:      Celery Seed Oil



Does anyone know of a source of celery seed oil?



Thanks,

Polly PC85118@uafsysa.uark.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:49:07 -0600

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Comments:     Authenticated sender is <klong@mail.phoenix.net>

From:         Siberia <klong@SPIRALNET.COM>

Organization: SpiralNet Technologies, Inc.

Subject:      Re: herniated discs



On  5 Feb 96 at 22:43, jonathan treasure wrote:



> [...] rupture, particularly if compressing a nerve, is exceedingly

> painful and there are grounds for considering surgery which has

> improved immeasurably since the "kipper" days, and uses

> semi-keyhole techniques to remove the cartilage compressing the

> nerve. 10 years ago the op had a very bad prognosis - it is less

> bad these days. the indication is probable nerve damage.

> [...]



As one that had 3 ruptured discs that were compresssing several

nerves, I can definitly state that sometimes surgery is the best

answer.  I had the cartilage removed as Jonathan describes above and

I tell you, within 3 days of the surgery I felt like a new person.

Post-op, one must still get involved in an excercise routine in

order to maintain strength and flexibility.



> it is usual today to have an MRI to discover whether a disc is

> ruptured or herniated. This is useful. some herniation can be

> gradually accommodated by gentle osteopathic soft tissue

> manipulation ( NOT chiropractic which should be avoided in these

> cases it is far too traumatic an approach) and strengthening

> exercises coupled with avoidance of adverse movements, lifting etc.



An interesting side note.  Prior to surgery, I spent many months

having tests done trying to determine if the problem could be solved

without surgery.  My symptoms were not corresponding with what was

thought to have been the discs that were ruptured.  Well, we finally

did an MRI and found that I actually have an extra vertebra.    This

set everything off by one disc placement.



Anyway, I urge anyone with severe symptoms to get several medical

opinions along with a full MRI series before deciding the course of

treatment.



Namaste'



Kimberly Long

klong@spiralnet.com

klong@phoenix.net



Life is really about a spiritual unfolding that is personal and enchanting --

an unfolding that no science or philosophy or religion has yet fully clarified.

                                              ~James Redfield         )O(



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:04:35 -0500

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From:         CAROL CROSBY <GRCC1@DIN.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>

Subject:      Homeopaths in CA



I have a friend who lives in California and is looking for a homeopath.

Any recommendations?  Is there a center in California where she can

call for a referral?



Carol



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:18:45 -0500

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From:         for Canyon Laurel <KKARRP@AOL.COM>

Subject:      False Unicorn Root



Hello herb list,



Does anyone have any information on False Unicorn Root?  I recently mixed up

a bunch of herbs for hormonal support (perimenopausal) and this ingredient

was called for.  Could not track it down in the local health food store.  I

prefer to use herbs in the "cut and sifted" form.  Any wisdom?  Thanks, and

blessings



 Canyon Laurel in Sonoma, California



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:01:46 -0800

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: jet lag

In-Reply-To:  <960205133357_136386530@emout04.mail.aol.com>



       If you tolerate Ginseng well, you may have some sucess taking ot

for a few days before you travel and a few days after. I've also found

that Borage can help alleviate some of the symptoms of jet lag

particularly if it's manifesting as; feelings of unsurety,

vulnerability,indecision and general spaciness. Two droppers of the fresh

plant tincture initially, then another time or two thru out the day as

needed.

      Colette Gardiner



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From:         Robert Walter Brown <rwb4@CORNELL.EDU>

Subject:      Thyroid

In-Reply-To:  <01I0W0PEOK8S8Y69QR@DIN.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>



Hello all. . .



   My supervisor has recently been diagnosed with a somewhat enlarged thyroid

(specific nature of the problem as yet to be determined via tests and

whatnot) and has asked me to look into any herbal treatments that may

prove beneficial to the condition. . .  Any and all suggestions are

appreciated.



thanks,

  Rob BrownDrake



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:31:51 -0800

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From:         Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@OLYMPIC.NET>

Subject:      Re: storing herbs



>At 09:39 AM 2/3/96 -0500, you wrote:

>A good way to store herbs is to seal them with a vacuum sealer and freeze them.

>Vacuum sealers cost about $100 dollars but you can do alot with them.

>They're great for fish.  Even if you don't freeze them, they should keep

>better if vacuum sealed.  Try sealing them in 1/4 lb packages and use as

>needed. They can be kept in a cool dark place.



Hi, Anita!  I use a vacuum sealer with a jar attachment, but I put my herbs

in mason jars (mostly quarts), leaving 1 to 2 inches of headroom after

tapping down the powdered herb really well.  After the jars are vacuum

sealed, I store the jars in the original boxes with the cardboard insert in

the top to block light.  I have about 20 boxes of herbs stored in this

manner.  I keep the boxes in a storage shed, so they are cool year-round.

I find that the Ball brand of lids works the best for vacuum sealing.

There is something about the red rubber that Ball uses that allows me to

reseal jars several times using the same flat lid.  Kerr, OTOH, has a white

rubber seal, and it doesn't hold nearly as well, even the first time.



Happy herbing!



Rusty



                                Rusty Taylor

                                Poulsbo, WA

                              yukiko@aol.com (home)

                              rtaylor@olympic.net (home)

                              rustytay@orca.esd114.wednet.edu (work)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Herbs to calm fear of public speaking?



At 12:14 PM 2/5/96 EST, you wrote:

>I was wondering if an herb or herbs existed to help me out with this

>problem? I have tried to overcome this fear. Mentally, I know there

>should be no reason for it; however, physically, my body just seems to

>panic when I must speak and not just in a large group. This occurs in

>settings of few to several people. Sweaty palms, dry tongue, racing

>heart....

>

>I suppose I am seeking an herb that will act as a sedative and have a

>calming effect, yet not put me to sleep or make me lose mental focus and

>concentration?



IMO, herbs are not for this situation.  This has to be fixed inside your

head.  I would recommend seeking the help of an NLP therapist.

Neuro-Linguistic programming can be a great help in overcoming unreasonable

fears and phobias.  They teach you how to replace the fear with helpful

mental pictures.  It is also good for people who have been abused physically

and mentally.

In the meantime, check out some Bach flower remedies at your local health

food dealer.  They should be able to provide you with information to choose

which one would help most.

BTW, I frequently perform in front of many people and I always have an

adrenaline rush before going on.  It's only natural to assume this is fear.

It is not necessarily fear.  Our bodies have natural functions to give us

energy when we need it. Adrenaline causes the symptoms you describe.  It can

be turned to your benefit if it is understood.



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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      False Unicorn Root



For the person who asked.  False Unicorn (Chamaelirium Luteum) is diuretic,

emetic, and a uterine tonic. It stimulates the ovarian hormones and us

commonly used for menopausal complaints and to restart the system after use

of contraceptives.  Check out a field guide in your library for

identification and more information about the herb.  I don't have that info

among my resources.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 18:58:45 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Peanut leaves and hearing loss?



In message ID <s1170beb.008@wo0033wp.wo.blm.gov> on 2/6/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: To follow up Paul's reference, my inner ear hearing (senso-neural) loss

: has so far resisted treatment by acupuncture or conventional diuretics.

:  How would I attempt to utilize peanut shells to experiment?  I assume

: their active ingredients are harmless..



Why would you presume that? Tomato stems will kill you. What you need is a

diagnosis, not a folk tradition. What is the acupuncturist diagnosis?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



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Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 18:57:56 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Homeopaths in CA



In message ID <01I0W0PEOK8S8Y69QR@DIN.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU> on 2/6/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I have a friend who lives in California and is looking for a homeopath.

: Any recommendations?  Is there a center in California where she can

: call for a referral?

:

: Carol



Bill Gray, M.D., in Davis, is as good a homeopath as you will ever find. He

is excellent, in fact.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         "Couvia, Susan" <SCouvia@TCHMAIL02.TCHDEN.ORG>

Subject:      Warts



A friend of mine has an eight year old daughter with warts. I don't mean

a wart here and there, but LOTS of warts. Lately, any time she gets a

cut, a new wart pops up next to it. Any suggestions?



Susan

couvia.susan@tchden.org



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Peanut leaves and hearing loss? - Reply



Kidney pulse was weak; needed to drink more water.  No diagnosis related

directly to the ear.  Also prescribed ear massage in front of and behind

ears.  Situation hasn't changed in 6 weeks since I started treatment.



>Why would you presume that? Tomato stems will kill you. What you need is

>a diagnosis, not a folk tradition. What is the acupuncturist diagnosis?



>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:49:28 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

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Subject:      Re: Peanut leaves and hearing loss? - Reply



In message ID <s1177dcd.065@wo0033wp.wo.blm.gov> on 2/6/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: << Kidney pulse was weak; needed to drink more water.  No diagnosis related

: directly to the ear.  Also prescribed ear massage in front of and behind

: ears.  Situation hasn't changed in 6 weeks since I started treatment.



Well, sorry, that's hardly a diagnosis. How long has this condition occured,

what is your sense of being Cold/Hot, what makes the condition better or

worse, what is your age, what is your lifestyle like, which ear is it, is

there any whistling or noise associated with the hearing loss, etc.



A diagnosis will look like this: Kidney Yang depleted, unable to nourish the

inner ear; Liver Yang rising, wind deafening the ear. Both diagnosis (and

there are others) will result in weak Kidney pulses, but they are vastly

different.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Gerry Fox <WA2VKS@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Cankre sores/cold sores?



In a message dated 96-02-05 07:44:30 EST, you write:



>From the discussion so far, I have seen the difference between cold sores on

>the lips due to herpes virus and cankers in the mouth and,..

>i have a question.  at the corners of my mouth, the skin is cracked and

sore.

> it's quite cold here at the moment (does that make it a cold sore? <smile>)

> i've been putting antibiotic gel on it,, any other suggestions?

>

>Dara



Dara, Chances are it's just chapping. When it's cold, the humidity is very

low. You might have gotten saliva there, and it dried out ( on a regular

basis) and caused chapping. Treat with vaseline or chap stick.

Gerry, DDS



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:00:25 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Orange grounds and facial mask



Here is a recipe for one of 'THE BEST' facial masks.  It is good for

sensitive skin, helps to heal problem skin, and is also anti-aging.  I dried

oranges to use in a tea mixture.  Then when I thought it was probably sprayed

with something, I decided to use it for something else.  I put the dried

pieces in a blender and mixed them to a fine pulp.  I keep them in a sealed

container til I need to make the mask.  Then I mix 1 scant teaspoon of the

grinds with 1 teaspoon of aloe vera gel and 1 teaspoon of honey.  I let the

mixture set for 30 minutes or so before using.  Then I apply to face and

rinse off after 20-30 minutes.  No reason to wash off.  It cleanses,

moisturizes and nourishes.  It's great.



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Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:00:19 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Warts



For warts, put on a clove of garlic that has been soaking in cider vinegar.

 Apply garlic on warts two to three times a day.  It the warts are profuse,

she should see a homeopathic doctor.  It could be caused by something

internal.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:42:51 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Milkweed--Asclepias



There has been some questions regarding Milkweed lately and I didn't see any

reasonable reply to the query.  I am attaching a text file that is from a

seldom seen herb book.  It took 7 months for my bookstore to get a copy for

me. The article is excellent and objective. I hope it will answer any

questions on the Asclepias species.



--=====================_823650256==_



Excerpt from "Herbal Medicine Past and Present"

Vol. II

John K Crellin and Jane Philpott

Duke University Press copyright 1989



BUTTERFLY WEED (root)

OTHER MILKWEEDS

The Herbalist's Accuunt

Butterfly weed is another Indian remedy we

could teIl a lot about. Some call it chigger-

weed because they think it has more chiggers

on it than any other plant. It grows on lime

land and blooms from June till frost, The

root is fleshy like a smaIl sweet potato, and

it grows way down deep in the ground. You

wash and slice the root, if it's large, then dry

and store it. It dries up just as white as flour

  Butterfly weed is for side pleurisy-a hurting

ing in your side similar to pneumonia or

getting over pneumonia-or anything bother-

ing your chest. It'll make you sweat. It's also

good for rheumatism. If Adam and Eve had

medicine, they used it, because it is one of

the most useful plants that we know of.

 You make a tea of a handful of roots and

take a tablespoon as often as needed. If I had

some tea made right now, it would help this

here hoarseness. Some old-timers used to put

it in whiskey. We can highly recommend the

root of butterfly weed and it would be backed

up by Dr. Pierce and other doctors.  It's official=20

medicine and a favorite.

        Ever since I can remember, back seventy years,

there's always been a market for butterfly weed,

but it never did bring much.  It's

bringing more right now than I ever knew of

--seventy-five or ninety cents a pound.

        Red Milkweed. There a lots of milkweeds,=20

but I don't use them, only butterfly root.

The Indians used themn to make cloth, like=20

Indian Hemp.  They have a white milk which

will cure warts.  I don't know anything about

them being used internally, but the

old-timers used them as blood purifier, and

they are good for the bowels.  They can easily

make you sick.

Commentary

Asclepins syriaca L. [syn. A. cornuti De-

caisne]: siIkweed, common silkwued.

A. tuberosa L.* (syn. A. decumbens L.]' silk-

grass, butterfly-weed, pleurisy-root, chigger-

weed.

A. rubra L. " red milkweed.

Asclepiadaceae

As Mr. Bass says, there are many milkweeds

with similar medical reputations; some of

them have been economically important for

their fibers, especially A. syriaca.  Bass is

also correct about usage of Butterfly weed

and other milkweeds by American Indians,

but much colonial knowledge was derived

from Europe Gerard's Herball (1597) de-

scribed two "swallow-woorts" that grew in

his English garden (white and black) as well

as a "kind of Asclepias, or swallow-woort

[from Virginia], which the savages calIed

Wisanck" [almost certainly Asclrapias syri-

aca). Gerard evidently learned aboutthe

plants from fhe explorer John White, though

he caIled it Wisanke, nnt Wysauke, as White

did. This is just one example of a New World

plant that fit easily into an existing frame-

work of medical knowledge. Surprisingly,

however, Gerard did not mention its repu-

tation to cure wounds from poison arrows,

though this was in line with uses for other

Asclepiadaceae

 The European milkweeds ["hot and dry"

in quality) were noted for treating gripings

of the belly and for stings and poisons, some

uses commonly rationalized by the deob-

struent actions associated with hot and dry

qualities. Suggested uses of A. syriaca [em-

plyed in poultices and as a purgative) in

the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries

may well have been based on analogy with

other milkweeds. Though it never achieved

the same medical importance as butterfly

weed [A. tuberosa,), the roots continued to be

mentioned into the early twentieth century

as "diuretic, alterative, emmenagogue and

anodyne; and is sometimes used in dropsy,

retention of urine, suppressed menstruation,

scrofula and rheumatism."

  Buttertly weed, with its attractive orange

f1owers, is perhaps medically the best-known

milkweed, at least where it is indigenous

(in the Eastern United States) and abundant

(in the South). However, it is not easy to say

just how popolar it was in the eighteenth

century. Although little published informa-

tion apprared until Schoepf (1787) noted its

diaphoretic properties and employment in

pleurisy, Indians probably used it. Benjamin

Smith Barton's remark that it had many vul-

gar names "such as pleurisy-root, flux-root.

butterfly-root" suggests that it had become

widely known and employed

 In the early nineteenth century Bigelow

(1817-21) noted that it had long been em-

ployed by practitioners in the Southern

States in pulmonary complaints, particu-

larly in catarrh, pneumonia and pleurisy; and

has acquired much confidence of the relief

of thesc maladies.  Around the same time

however, S. Elliott recorded with confidence

that "notwithstanding the celebrity of the

root of this plant as a remedy for pleurisy, it

can only be considered an auxiliary.  A decoc-

tion taken warm, promotes perspiration and=20

acts very slightly on the bowels and urinary=20

discharge."  Subsequently, the diaphoretic

action was often noted.

tion taken warm, promotes perspiration and

acts very slightly on the bowels and urinary

discharge." Subsequently, the diaphoretic

action was often noted.

  So far as we can judge, butterfly weed did

not become a mainstream medicine, although

much advocacy continued. Rafinesque de-

scribed it as a valuable popular remedy and

a mild sudorific, acting safely without stimu-

lating the body;  and Griffith noted that it

"has been employed with much benefit in

[ailments] of the respiratory organs, and

there is much ample testimony of its curative

powers when judiciously administered for

respiratory ailments." He also ment=A1oned

tonic properties and value for rheumatism.

("From all that can be gathered ou the sub-

ject, it may be deemed one of the most useful

of our native articles, and deserves a full

and unbiased trial.") Capron and Slack said

that every family should be acquainted with

this plant. It could be given to children in

the form of a "strong tea, in the dose of a

tea-cupful down to a teaspoonful or great

spounful."

  As with so many indigenous remedies, en-

thusiam for pleurisy-root dissipated toward

the end of the nineteenth century. Whether

this was associated with the introduction of

new expectorants such as ammonium chlo-

ride is not clear. Johnson (1884) noted that

butterfly weed's reputation in specific dis-

eases was based on insufficient grounds "

and by 1899 it was said that it found but little

employment. Others, on the other hand,

indicated usage in domestic practice in the

southern states"

  Threads of interest on the part of some

regular medical writers persisted into the

twentieth century; H. C. Fuller (1920) noted

that it was found in stomach tonics and

used for affections of the lungs to promote

expectoration. In the popular herbal lit-

erature, Clarence Meyer(1977)indicated it

was gentle without the "heating tendency

of some sudorifics."  Perhaps, too, interest

was encouraged for a while by its medical

name, pleurisy-root, and =8Dts inclusion =8Dn

the formula of the famed Lydia Pinkham's

Vegetable Compound for females. Interest-

ingly, this may have been for its reputation

for dyspepsia rather than as a specific female

medicine.  Despite Bass's wide acquaintance

with female medicines, he has not heard of

pleurisy-root being used for this purpose,

although it is still known elsewhere as an

oxytocic and abortifacient.

 Among the range of constituents isolated=20

from species of Asclepias including A. tu-

berosa and A. syriaca. Cardioactive glycosides

 (cardenolides) are prominent. The

basis of the strong tradition of the former

species for chest ailments is uncertain. Im-

provement in cardiac functions can, in certain

circumstances, improve respiratory act=8Dvity

and perhaps promote diuresis. On the other

hand, a possibility exists of reflex stimula-

tion arising from irritation of the stomach.

The possible role of other constituents like

flavonoids is unclear. In view of the pharma-

cologicaI activity of cardenolides, studies on

the long-standing reputation of A. tuberosa

as an expectorant would be helpful to deter-

mine if it can be safely used for all patients.

Many other Asclepias species are reported=20

to have similar properties; indeed, A. syri-

aca is listed as a virtual panaces, which is

hardly justified. It has been suggested that

the diaphoretic action, perhaps due in part=20

to the use of hot infusions, may account for

the reputation for rheumatism and for chest

conditions.

{footnotes excluded}



--=====================_823650256==_--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:35:33 -0500

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From:         Barbara Howser <howser@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>

Subject:      ? re: MAO inhibitors



Pardon my partly non-herbal question.

Are prescription anti-depressants & anti-anxiety medications MAO

inhibitors?  I would like to begin taking a dietary supplement formulated

especially for women (reputable company) which contains the following:

MaHuang, mustard seed powder, spirulina, vitamin c, potassium, magnesium,

chromium, kelp, peony, foti, and dong quai.

The warning on the label says (among other things) to seek advice from a

healthcare professional if taking a MAO inhibitor prescription drug.

The particular medications I'm taking are Effexor and Buspar.

I have read and been told that herbal suppplements will not counteract

against the prescriptions or vice-versa.  But I have misplaced in my mind

and files what an MAO inhibitor is & does.

thanks in advance for your help!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 21:15:40 -0700

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From:         Elizabeth Williams <will2099@BLUE.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs for stress/stage fright

In-Reply-To:  <m0tivzh-0005FWC@awinc.com>



> Have you thought of Kavakava?  It is an anti-anxiolytic, and you can get it

> through most health food stores.  You might want to get some soon so you

> can test how you react to it!



First let me say thank you to everyone for their suggestions! About

Kavakava....when I went to the herb store today the lady there said that

it was actually a stimulant at first, and then it became a relaxant. Huh?

Can anyone give me more info about this particular herb? (The also were

storing it behind the counter because some neighborhood boys kept buying

it to get "high").



-Elizabeth



Elizabeth Williams

will2099@blue.univnorthco.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:33:20 -0500

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From:         Samantha Rowen <sexpot@SPEC.SPECDATA.COM>

Subject:      Re: False Unicorn Root

In-Reply-To:  <960206111842_415848877@mail02.mail.aol.com>



Well my supplier sells it in Cut and Powdered form.  It is available for:

$6 1oz

$22 4oz

$85 pound



Description:

False Unicorn Root

(Helonias, blazing star)

height 1-3 feet

Part used: Rhizome and root

Constituents: Steroidal saponins (including chamaelirin)

Main uses: Medical; As tonic to the reproductive system



False unicorn root contains hormone-like saponins, which account in part

for its reputation as an ovarian and uterine tonic.  Herbalists use it to

encourage fertility in woman and to treat impotence in men.  They also

emplot the plant to treat disturbances of menstration accompanied by

bearing down sensation.  It has a reputation for preventing miscarriages

and is sometimes effective against morning sickness. The herb's tonic

properties also benefit the appetite and digestion.  The plant is

sometimes confused with Aletris farinosa, or true unicorn root.  Aletris

also contains steroidal saponins (diosgenin) and is reported to have

oestrogenic properties.

Caution:  Use only as prescribed by a qualified practitioner.



Hope that helps :)



On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, for Canyon Laurel wrote:



> Does anyone have any information on False Unicorn Root?  I recently mixed up



--

Keyhole Productions

"Lights, Camera, Action!"



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:15:22 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Address for Frontier



Been to the Herb Fest, found it very valuable.  Lots of good networking, as

well as lots of highly respected folks presenting and good comraderie.  See

you there next year.  Most people camp on the property.  We didn't, but will

this year.



BTW, it was good to put some faces to some of you who joined us in

Albuquerque.  Maureen Rogers (Herbworld@aol.com) did a marvelous job of

organizing.  Thanks.



Peter Gail

Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, Cleveland OH



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Uses for a Weed?



Re: vitamin C content, I don't think so.  The acid is Oxalic, not Ascorbic.

 If someone has some documented data to the contrary, I'd love to see it.

 Oxalis can be used for soup, but make sure you puree it in blender,

otherwise the petioles (leaf stems) hang down out of your mouth and are very

messy.  My wife nowdays ties a string around the bunch of Oxalis and after

the flavor has been transferred to the soup, she pulls it out.  Disadvantage:

soup is sour, but not green.



The same problem is true with Staghorn Sumac. I was listening to a tape on

Native American medicine yesterday, and it was said that sumac, also used as

 a lemonade substitute, had vitamin C.  All the literature I have seen claims

it to be malic, not ascorbic acid.  Would be interested in knowing if anyone

can document the ascorbic acid claim for any of the sumacs also.



Peter Gail



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:15:23 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Uses for a Weed?



The scientific name is Oxalis stricta, and it grows everywhere.  It can be

used for anything you would use French sorrel, including, soups. sauces,

lemonade substitute, etc.  The acid, however, is oxalic acid, which ties up

calcium and iron, so any of the sorrels, as well as members of the

Chenopodiaceae (lambsquarters, spinach, swiss chard, beet greens, orach, etc)

should be cooked before use, or used sparingly in the raw form.



If you will provide a snail mail address, I will send you a copy of my column

from The Business of Herbs on the wild sorrels (Sheep Sorrel, Oxalis, and the

docks)



Peter Gail

Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living. P>O> Box 18016, Cleveland, OH

44118, 216-932-2145, fax: 2187



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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Any use for Milkweed (Asclepias spp.)? - Reply



Asclepias syriaca is the edible milkweed, butthe white milky juice contains

alkaloids and is quite poisonous.  Just a little can make you very sick.

 Preparation of A s is to take young shoots (being careful not to confuse

them with Apocynum- dogbane or indian hemp), young bud clusters or young

fruits (before the hair starts forming), pour boiling water over or plunge

into boiling water, cook 2-3 minutes, drain, pour more boiling water over and

repeat, then cook it a final 2 minutes in a third change of water.  SErve

with butter, salt and pepper.  It is one of our family's favorite vegetables

when prepared this way.  DON'T  put it in cold water and cook it.  This fixes

the alkaloids.  I have never heard of eating the roots.  If anyone has

documented info on this, I'd love to know about it.  For more information on

milkweed, please give me your snail mail address, and I will send a copy of

my column on Milkweed from The Business of Herbs.



Peter Gail, Goosefoot Acres Center for REsourceful Living.

(216)932-2145



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 7 Feb 1996 00:15:29 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Warts



The Amish use the milk from Milkweed, and the milk from dandelion stems to

counteract warts.  It seems to work



Peter A. Gail



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 7 Feb 1996 07:56:13 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: ? re: MAO inhibitors



In message ID <Pine.PMDF.3.91.960206212254.605850754C-100000@utarlg.uta.edu>

on 2/6/96, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Pardon my partly non-herbal question.

: Are prescription anti-depressants & anti-anxiety medications MAO

: inhibitors?  I would like to begin taking a dietary supplement formulated

: especially for women (reputable company) which contains the following:

: MaHuang, mustard seed powder, spirulina, vitamin c, potassium, magnesium,

: chromium, kelp, peony, foti, and dong quai.



No, there are no 'reputable' companies providing Mahuang diet pills to

people. Your Kidneys are already damaged enough if you are having anxiety.

ANY increase in their depletion by Mahuang is too much.



Try ginseng tea. Sure, it's a bit warm, which might be an issue in your case,

but you're talking about taking Mahuang and mustard!!!! That will fry what's

left of your Kidneys to a crisp, guaranteed.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Peg Skadowski <PegsHerbs@AOL.COM>

Subject:      staghorn sumac



I have lots of staghorn sumac growing on my property.  Can this be used

safely?  How? The local people here tell me it's poisonous, but I have read

that Native Americans used it as a beverage.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 7 Feb 1996 07:43:39 -0500

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From:         dorothy debisschop <dotdb@USA.PIPELINE.COM>

Subject:      Re: herniated disc



Speaking from personal experience, I suggest you find a physiatrist.  At

the age of 42, I found one at the Newington Children's Hospital, who put me

on the right track. I still have a herniated disk, but I never get a bit of

pain from it (just shoveled tons of snow with no problem).  The guy I saw

stressed general fitness, especially exercises which strengthen the muscles

of the stomach and back--these are what hold the spine in place.  My first

exercise under the program was walking in water.  I could give you a whole

list of what I did, but it was designed for ME and MY HERNIATED disk, in

light of what the MD thought was the underlying, contributing factors which

made it a problems.  Get your own evaluation and follow the program

religiously.  Get the advice of a doctor who can make a medical evaluation

and recommend a specific course of exercise.  IF you follow it religiously

it will be worth any amount of effort or money it takes to find him the

right doctor and to follow the program.  Even if it is not covered by your

own insurance, don't hesitate.  Taking care of it makes the difference

between perpetual misery and good health, energy and stamina! But you are

the only one who can make it happen.

--



Dorothy A. DeBisschop



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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Warts



In a message dated 96-02-06 15:49:33 EST, you write:



>A friend of mine has an eight year old daughter with warts. I don't mean

>a wart here and there, but LOTS of warts. Lately, any time she gets a

>cut, a new wart pops up next to it. Any suggestions?

>

>Susan

>couvia.susan@tchden.org



I think your friend should get her daughter to an MD or ND for evaluation. It

won't do any good to treat the warts, you need to detect the underlying

cause. It could be an immune system deficiency that needs correcting, or

possibly food allergies. By any chance does the child suffer from eczema, or

other skin condition that makes her want to scratch, and then more warts

appear as a result?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:30:19 -0700

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From:         "Peg Skadowski (by way of Puanani DeLara

              <puanani@micf.nist.gov>)" <PegsHerbs@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: staghorn sumac



>I have lots of staghorn sumac growing on my property.  Can this be used

>safely?  How? The local people here tell me it's poisonous, but I have read

>that Native Americans used it as a beverage.



I also have it growing all over, it produces large clusters of fuzzy red

tiny berries. I have used it to make the most delicious elderberry/staghorn

jelly and I have used it to make a refreshing red tea it kind of  tastes

like vitamin C  very tart, but very good, my son adds a touch of honey which

gives it a different taste altogether. I did notice that after several cups

( about 7) that one tends to..uh...eliminate solid matter a lot. But no one

has ever gotten ill from it, in fact when my family has a cold it seems to

help in the form of tea. If you have any further questions you may email me.

Puanani



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From:         Who Areu <KMR8142@VAXA.CIS.SUNYCGCC.EDU>

Subject:      yarrow



I saw a picture of a yellow yarrow (same genus as the wild white

variety) in an herb catalogue.  I am wondering if it possesses

the same medincinal values as the other more well-known variety.

Any thoughts?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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Subject:      Re: Peanut leaves and hearing loss? - Reply - R

Comments: To: astrasfo@wo0033wp.wo.blm.gov



On 2/7/96 at 6:58 AM, ANDREW STRASFOGEL wrote:



: I am responding privately, but if you wish to share with the listserv

that's

: fine with me.  Your analysis and thoughts are much appreciated.

:

: >>Well, sorry, that's hardly a diagnosis. How long has this

: condition occured,

:

: << First showed up  9/94, possibly in conjunction with my return from an

: out of town meeting involving air travel.  Condition affects right ear

: only.



The so-considered 'Yang' ear.



: >> what is your sense of being Cold/Hot,

:

: << Not quite sure what you mean., but in the conventional sense I feel,

: overall, more often cold than hot.



Which often means that the person is actually Hot, but doesn't feel it. Lets

see if there are other signs of Heat...



: The left ear (the good one) often feels

: hot and "full" and throbs occasionally, but hearing is not affected.  Right

: ear rarely feels this way, though there is occasional pressure inside the

: ear.



Left ear, or 'Yin' ear is Hot and Full (of Heat).



: >>What makes the condition better or worse, what is your age, what is your

: lifestyle like, which ear is it, is there any whistling or noise associated

: with the hearing loss, etc.

:

: << Hearing loss in right ear has stabilized - no change since I had my

: first audiogram.  Loss is slight but measurable at lower end of spectrum.

:  The perception of hearing loss varies in the sense that I have occasional

: "recoupment" (recruitment?), i.e., sounds seem overly loud.



So a Pathogenic factor is present. It is not simple damage to nerves or

hairs.



: In the morning

: just after I awake a whistling noise is imparted into sounds when I close

: off the right (good) ear.



You just said the left ear was the good one.



I'll assume you simply mispoke. Either way, this suggests Heat (whistling,

like on a kettle). Often, nerve damage or hearing loss due to Kidney

depletion has a low rumbling sound.



: I am 50, have an active lifestyle (regular squash

: player), intensely competitive,



Which suggests Heat, especially of the Gallbladder and Liver (& Channels).



: good eating habits, no smoking/drinking,

: under stress due to family problems.



Which suggests Heat, especially in the Gallbladder or Small Intestine

Channels (involvement of the ear).



: Health is otherwise excellent.



Which suggests Yang constitution, with tendency toward Excess.



: >>A diagnosis will look like this: Kidney Yang depleted, unable to nourish

: the inner ear; Liver Yang rising, wind deafening the ear. Both diagnosis

: (and there are others) will result in weak Kidney pulses, but they are

: vastly different.

:

: << Acupuncture Dr. didn' share any of this with me.  I will ask him.



Proper therapy might involve bleeding those Channels. In any case, it looks

like you might have a diagnosis like the second: Liver Yang rising, wind

deafening the ear. How is your temper?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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Date:         Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:48:02 -0500

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From:         "\"Zot\" Markham canine-l" <HM@WUDOS2.WUSTL.EDU>

Subject:      Re: staghorn sumac



Here in MO, we have two species of sumac, commonly known as white and red.

The red is used to make a Indian Pink lemonade, and the white is toxic.



Herb



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From:         Jerry Cott <jcott@HELIX.NIH.GOV>

Subject:      Re: ? re: MAO inhibitors



At 09:35 PM 2/6/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Pardon my partly non-herbal question.

>Are prescription anti-depressants & anti-anxiety medications MAO

>inhibitors?...



Neither Effexor nor Buspar are MAO (monoamine oxidase) inhibitors.  There

are some older antidepressants that are MAO inhibitors (Nardil $ Parnate)

that are not widely used today.  There should be no interaction problems

with the compounds you mention.  MaHuang contains ephedrine and

pseudoephedrine which *would* be a problem if combined with an MAO inhibitor.



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From:         Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@OLYMPIC.NET>

Subject:      Re: herniated disc



>Hello, all, this is my first time out with a question ...

>my brother has a herniated disc, lower portion of the back.  Any

>thoughts how he can keep the agonizing pain under control?  He has

>recently taken an oral steroid and seems bent on going in that

>direction.  He has problems sitting, standing for long periods, has

>numbness in one leg and foot and is almost at wits end.  thanks, jane



Besides the use of manipulations by a *good* therapist or chiropractor, the

new, thin magnets that are worn over an injury may be of help.  They

increase the circulation to the area, and can speed healing.  Personally, I

would use a formula developed by Dr. John Christopher, called B F&C (bone,

flesh & cartilege).  I would buy (or make up) the powdered form by the

pound, and make fomentations of it, leaving them on all night, and much of

the day, 6 days a week, for several weeks, at least.  I would also stop

eating any milk products or meat.  I would eat mostly fresh, raw vegetables

and fruit (preferrably organically grown, as they contain more nutrition),

and some grains (sprouted would be best).  That's what I would do.  Our

bodies can do amazing things when we just provide the necessary building

materials for it, and don't hinder it from doing its work.



Formula for BF&C (from "School of Natural Healing" by Dr. John R. Christopher):



        6 parts Oak bark (Quercus species)

        3 parts Marshmallow root (Althaea officinalis)

        3 parts Mullein herb (Verbascum thapsus)

        2 parts Wormwood (Artemisia absinthium)

        1 part  Lobelia (Lobelia inflata)

        1 part  Skullcap (Scutellaria lateriflora)

        6 parts Comfrey root (Symphytum officinale)

        3 parts Walnut bark or leaves (Juglans nigra)

        3 parts Gravel root (Eupatorium purpureum)



Rusty



                                Rusty Taylor

                                Poulsbo, WA

                              yukiko@aol.com (home)

                              rtaylor@olympic.net (home)

                              rustytay@orca.esd114.wednet.edu (work)



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From:         Rick Levine <rlevine@HALCYON.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs for stress/stage fright

Comments: cc: jrobinson@newhope.com, will2099@blue.univnorthco.edu



At 09:15 PM 2/6/96 -0700, Elizabeth Williams wrote:

>> Have you thought of Kavakava?  It is an anti-anxiolytic, and you can get it

>> through most health food stores.  You might want to get some soon so you

>> can test how you react to it!

>

>First let me say thank you to everyone for their suggestions! About

>Kavakava....when I went to the herb store today the lady there said that

>it was actually a stimulant at first, and then it became a relaxant. Huh?

>Can anyone give me more info about this particular herb? (The also were

>storing it behind the counter because some neighborhood boys kept buying

>it to get "high").

>

>Elizabeth Williams

>will2099@blue.univnorthco.edu



There is an excellent article on KAVA by Bill Brevoort in the current issue

(FEB 96) of the NATURAL FOODS MERCHANDISER (New Hope Communications, Boulder

CO).



The article is titled "KAVA KAVA TOUTED AS AMERICA'S HERB OF THE 90'S: Baby

boomers embrace gentle benefits of this Polynesian plant." Bill is president

of East Earth Herbs and is known for their JADE product line and very high

quality herbs. His article may (I'm not certain) be available at the New

Hope Web site:



     http://www.newhope.com



They have back articles and a good front end search engine. Check it out. If

it's not available there, let me know, I will will copy it and snailmail it

to you.



Best to all.





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From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Reyes?



>>Reye's syndrome has been associated

with salicylates, ie aspirin.



@@ could anyone tell me what Reye's syndrome is?  I know that I have very bad

reactions to aspirin.  It makes me quite sick, or at least it did when i was

younger, I've stayed away from it since I was 10.  I wonder if there is any

connection....  just wondering.



Dara



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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: yarrow



In a message dated 96-02-07 11:45:53 EST, you write:



All yarrows have the same medicinally qualities.  Wild yarrow is white.

 Yarrow not only has medicinal properties but is also good to add to compose

to speed decomposition.  Boil leaves in cider vinegar and add to bath for

sooth skin.  Same mixture can be used as a hair rinse.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Facial mask



Today I mixed up a batch of ground orange peel with fresh, dried sage.  I put

a teaspoon in a tea bag and sealed it.  When I need to make a mask, I'll open

one tea bag and mix with aloe vera and/or honey,  or sour cream or tofu would

also do.  If anyone wants to try this, let me know.  I'll send you my snail

mail address and you can send me a ASAE.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: yarrow



At 11:40 AM 2/7/96 -0500, you wrote:

>I saw a picture of a yellow yarrow (same genus as the wild white

>variety) in an herb catalogue.  I am wondering if it possesses

>the same medincinal values as the other more well-known variety.

>Any thoughts?



Yes, yellow yarrow as well as other colors have similar properties. As I

understand it, the white yarrow is preferred for medicinal purposes.



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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Uses for a Weed?



At 12:15 AM 2/7/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Re: vitamin C content, I don't think so.  The acid is Oxalic, not Ascorbic.

> If someone has some documented data to the contrary, I'd love to see it.

> Oxalis can be used for soup, but make sure you puree it in blender,

>otherwise the petioles (leaf stems) hang down out of your mouth and are very

>messy.  My wife nowdays ties a string around the bunch of Oxalis and after

>the flavor has been transferred to the soup, she pulls it out.  Disadvantage:

>soup is sour, but not green.

>

>The same problem is true with Staghorn Sumac. I was listening to a tape on

>Native American medicine yesterday, and it was said that sumac, also used as

> a lemonade substitute, had vitamin C.  All the literature I have seen claims

>it to be malic, not ascorbic acid.  Would be interested in knowing if anyone

>can document the ascorbic acid claim for any of the sumacs also.



I recall reading somewhere that it is not wise to eat too much of plants

containing oxalic acid.  It apparantly inhibits the body's absorption of

necessary nutrients and can be termed "poisonous" in quantity. I'm sure

someone will correct me if I'm mistaken.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: ? re: MAO inhibitors



At 09:35 PM 2/6/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Pardon my partly non-herbal question.

>Are prescription anti-depressants & anti-anxiety medications MAO

>inhibitors?  I would like to begin taking a dietary supplement formulated

>especially for women (reputable company) which contains the following:

>MaHuang, mustard seed powder, spirulina, vitamin c, potassium, magnesium,

>chromium, kelp, peony, foti, and dong quai.

>The warning on the label says (among other things) to seek advice from a

>healthcare professional if taking a MAO inhibitor prescription drug.

>The particular medications I'm taking are Effexor and Buspar.

>I have read and been told that herbal suppplements will not counteract

>against the prescriptions or vice-versa.  But I have misplaced in my mind

>and files what an MAO inhibitor is & does.

>thanks in advance for your help!



I see no reason to put MaHuang in a "women's" formula. It would serve no

female therapeutic effect.  MaHuang can raise the blood pressure and is very

hot.  I would avoid this supplement.  If you do decide to use it, be sure to

check your blood pressure regularly and don't use it for more than 10 days

at a time.  If you experience any unpleasant side effects, discontinue it

immediately.  Don't listen to people who would encourage you to use it

anyway saying you'll ge used to it.  That's a terrible mistake.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 7 Feb 1996 23:16:15 -0800

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From:         Eric Yarnell <yarnell@SCN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Any use for Milkweed (Asclepias spp.)? - Reply

In-Reply-To:  <s115b844.004@wo0033wp.wo.blm.gov>



Regarding _Asclepias syriaca_ (milkweed), John Lust says it was used

as a topical preparation for warts by some Native American peoples.  He

also reports its use for urinary tract problems.  He also notes it is

toxic in high doses.



Eric Yarnell (ND candidate)



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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: staghorn sumac



Staghorn sumac is not at all poisonous -- poison sumac, living in marshy, wet

areas, and possessing smaller leaflets and white berries (as opposed to the

deep red/purple fruits of the mature staghorn) is the poisonous one.



Gather the mature fruiting heads well back from the road-- the acid is in the

glandular hairs on the surface of the fruit and picks up any dust that cars,

etc might kick up, along with all the toxins contained in it, and gives you

at best a brown colored "dirt-ade" ---  and either boil them in water, or

place them in a dishtowel or piece of cheesecloth, submerse them in water and

squeeze the acid into the  water.  The water will turn pinkish as you do

this.  Use relatively little water so that the product is concentrated, and

then dilute to taste.  We use this juice as a lemon substitute in those

jellies, like elderberry, requiring a bit of acid, and find it works very

well.



How far back from the road?  A minimum of 75 feet.  In an earlier life as a

college professor we researched the occurrence of lead from automobile

exhaust on plants and in the soil and discovered that levels returned to the

ambient ones (10-15 ppm) at about 75 feet back from the road, while at the

roadside, lead levels could be as high as 1500 ppm.  Today it may not be

lead, but you can be sure there are plenty of other toxins to replace it in

the activities along a heavily travelled road.



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D.

Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living

P.O. Box 18016, Cleveland, OH 44118 (216)932-2145



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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when I make two postings at the same time, I forget to

include precautions placed in the first also in the second.  Oxalic acid

interferes with uptake of calcium and iron, and therefore, plants containing

it should be used in moderation.

Interestingly, a great many of our common vegetables are rich in oxalates in

various forms, including the entire spinach family (Chenopodiaceae). Much of

the deleterious effect of oxalic acid is eliminated, I understand, by

cooking, and therefore a cooked soup with Oxalis, or cooked

spinach/lambsquarters/swiss chard/beet greens etc. would be much safer than

the same vegetable raw, and allow a greater consumption.



If anyone has other information, I would appreciate it.



Peter Gail, Ph.D. Goosefoot ACres Center for REsourceful Living, P.O. Box

18016, Cleveland, OH 44118  216-932-2145



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From:         Shoba Narayan <shoba@POPMAIL.I-2000.COM>

Subject:      cold and hot herbs



just a basic question:



what are some cold and hot herbs and how do you use them?



how can you tell if a person is hot or cold?



thanks



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Subject:      Re: Herbs for stress/stage fright - Reply



<< I have a feeling that "kavakava" is identical to "kava", also known

as "yanggona" in Fijian.  Yanggona is made from the bark of a tree that

is a member of the pepper family.  It is prepared as a ceremonial drink

in Fiji, but its use is widespread in village social life.  It is mildly

narcotic, mentally stimulating, and somewhat addictive.  Many villager

men drink and "yarn" all day long while the women do the work.  I drank

it on many ocasions, and other than the tingly, peppery flavor, kava provided

a rather pleasant experience.  I would be hesitant to describe its effects

in euphoric terms, however.  It is certainly a diuretic (like beer) and

makes the mind feel clear without alcohol's stupefying or distorting properties.

 I never heard anyone claim that drinking kava was beneficial to health.

 It was widely viewed as a social evil, but less damaging to the body and

to society than drinking beer.



And yes, if you drink enough you can get "high".





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Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: cold and hot herbs



In message ID <9602081459.AA19426@i-2000.com> on 2/8/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: just a basic question:

:

: what are some cold and hot herbs and how do you use them?

:

: how can you tell if a person is hot or cold?

:

: thanks



For the most part, if a person --feels-- (NOT their thermometer) that their

body temperature is chronically low or high, that is Cold or Hot. The one

quirk is that Hot people often report cold hands and feet, so this doesn't

count (there is a secondary mechanism involved).



Herbs have observed effects, just like food. Clearly, watermelon or pears

cool you down. And jalapenos and flesh foods warm you. Same with herbs.

Bitter herbs (like golden seal) are usually Cold, and Spicy herbs (like

ginger) are usually Hot, though that is a gross simplification.



This is really a very simple schema, but people have lost the worldview

needed to understand their health in this way. Too bad, it is very useful.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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Subject:      Re: Herbs for stress/stage fright - Reply



In message ID <s119d6c4.099@wo0033wp.wo.blm.gov> on 2/8/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: << I have a feeling that "kavakava" is identical to "kava", also known

: as "yanggona" in Fijian.



10-4.



: Yanggona is made from the bark of a tree that

: is a member of the pepper family. It is prepared as a ceremonial drink

: in Fiji, but its use is widespread in village social life.  It is mildly

: narcotic, mentally stimulating, and somewhat addictive.



Habituating, maybe.



: Many villager

: men drink and "yarn" all day long while the women do the work.



That used to be called 'culture.' Or have Fijian men always been lazy louts?



: I drank

: it on many ocasions, and other than the tingly, peppery flavor, kava

: provided a rather pleasant experience.  I would be hesitant to

: describe its effects in euphoric terms, however.



It is certainly mind-altering.



: It is certainly a

: diuretic (like beer) and makes the mind feel clear without alcohol's

: stupefying or distorting properties.



Yes.



:  I never heard anyone claim that drinking kava was beneficial to health.

:  It was widely viewed as a social evil, but less damaging to the body and

: to society than drinking beer.



By 'beneficial to the health' do you mean 'herbal'? It is, like most plants

in human use, useful for what it is useful for. It has energetics. I wouldn't

drink kava before driving a tractor.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From:         Shoba Narayan <shoba@POPMAIL.I-2000.COM>

Subject:      Re: cold and hot herbs



>For the most part, if a person --feels-- (NOT their thermometer) that their

>body temperature is chronically low or high, that is Cold or Hot. The one

>quirk is that Hot people often report cold hands and feet, so this doesn't

>count (there is a secondary mechanism involved).

>

>Herbs have observed effects, just like food. Clearly, watermelon or pears

>cool you down. And jalapenos and flesh foods warm you. Same with herbs.

>Bitter herbs (like golden seal) are usually Cold, and Spicy herbs (like

>ginger) are usually Hot, though that is a gross simplification.

>

>This is really a very simple schema, but people have lost the worldview

>needed to understand their health in this way. Too bad, it is very useful.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--



Just to add some more filip to the discussion, i wanted to throw in the

ayurveda- chinese medicine/herbs paradox.  ayurveda lists a set of criterea

for Vata personalities- chronically thin, prone to 'wind' diseases like

burping, gas, dryness, cold extremeties and several others.  Vata persons

are advised to eat cooked food, earthy meals such as beans and rice, and

specifically ginger and ghee.  sesame oil massage is another major

prescription for such types.



chinese medicine, on the other hand considers (as you said) cold

extremities, dryness, etc as an indication of heat.  Ginger is therefore a

no-no.



isn't that strange?



by ayurvedic standards, I am a Vata with a Pitta disorder as manifested by

chronic acne, dry lips.



Chinese medicine, on the other hand, says, among other things, that i have

heat in my stomach.



should i eat warming foods as a vata person, or cooling foods to get rid of

the heat in my stomach?



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From:         "Christohper S. Robbins" <102035.1756@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Imported/Foreign Herbs



I'm writing a paper on medicinal plant utilization, consumption, and trade in

the U.S..  Does anyone know in what form herbs are imported into the United

States? From which countries do we import most of  herbs? Are imports of dried

bulk medicinal and aromatic plants subject to any US regs. (e.g., phytosanitary

checks)?  Does any government agency report imports of herbs on a

species-specific basis.  IS there anything I can read which will provide me with

insight on this.  Any help is appreciated. : }



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From:         "Laura A. Burstein" <laura915@CCNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: cold and hot herbs



>For the most part, if a person --feels-- (NOT their thermometer) that their

>body temperature is chronically low or high, that is Cold or Hot. The one

>quirk is that Hot people often report cold hands and feet, so this doesn't

>count (there is a secondary mechanism involved).



I have always had very cold hands and feet.   My face and neck, however,

become easily hot and flushed, even when I'm just relaxing.  The rest of my

body is generally warm, but comfortable.



Also, I constantly have problems with sores (cold or canker?) on the inside

of my cheeks, near the corners of my mouth.  They are slightly

white-tipped.  This is indicative of cold, isn't it?



I exercise regularly, I'm in my early twenties, and I don't  have any

health problems (that I know of).  It seems that I have conflicting hot and

cold symptoms.  What's the deal?



Laura



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:34:42 EST

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From:         Cherie Capps <102617.1353@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Polanisia



I have had a request for info on Polanisia dodecandra mentioned in a recent

magazine for use on tumors.  Any info on the herb or availability would be

appreciated.



Cherie



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 04:43:49 -0800

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From:         Tom Guldin <guldint@MAKO.COM>

Subject:      Re: storing herbs



>At 09:39 AM 2/3/96 -0500, you wrote:

>>I have recently acquired various herbs in quantities of one pound (16

>>ounces (sorry, don't have metric equivalent) from a reputable



You can use clear glass jars, just keep them out of too much light

(especially sunlight).  It has a tendency to reduce the potency of the

herbs. Metal containers are a bad idea, most are aluminum and aluminum

reacts badly with herbs (or so I've been told).  I use clear glass and keep

them in a room that is not lit very often.



Tom



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:33:20 -0500

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From:         /Lisa Callihan <DrKatz4937@AOL.COM>



              I hope I've not sent duplicate messages to the list. This is my

first communication.  I need to try some herbal remedies for anxiety or

tension I guess, because I have a hard time sleeping.  Any advice?

 Kava Kava Root doesn't seem to help me sleep.  Neither does valerian,

chamomile, passionflower, or skullcaps.  What am I doing wrong?  Have I

misunderstood the properties of these herbs?



                                                                        Lisa



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:38:00 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: cold and hot herbs



In message ID <9602082304.AA19805@i-2000.com> on 2/8/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Just to add some more filip to the discussion, i wanted to throw in the

: ayurveda- chinese medicine/herbs paradox.  ayurveda lists a set of criterea

: for Vata personalities- chronically thin, prone to 'wind' diseases like

: burping, gas, dryness, cold extremeties and several others.  Vata persons

: are advised to eat cooked food, earthy meals such as beans and rice, and

: specifically ginger and ghee.  sesame oil massage is another major

: prescription for such types.

:

: chinese medicine, on the other hand considers (as you said) cold

: extremities, dryness, etc as an indication of heat.  Ginger is therefore a

: no-no.



No, it isn't an indication of Heat. It indicates poor Spleen function (Spleen

unable to nourish the Blood, Blood insufficient to carry Qi, Qi unable to

warm the extremities).



: by ayurvedic standards, I am a Vata with a Pitta disorder as manifested by

: chronic acne, dry lips.



Also Blood depletion. Chronic acne is also weak Spleen unable to transform

(possible chronic food stagnation).



: Chinese medicine, on the other hand, says, among other things, that i have

: heat in my stomach.



I seriously doubt that. But a stomach can become Hot if the Yin becomes

damaged. Still, that's fairly rare in such Yang depletion disorders.



: should i eat warming foods as a vata person, or cooling foods to get rid of

: the heat in my stomach?



Warming foods, of course.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 06:21:28 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: insomnia



In message ID <199602090533.AAA13704@emout05.mail.aol.com> on 2/8/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



:               I hope I've not sent duplicate messages to the list.

: This is my first communication.  I need to try some herbal remedies

: for anxiety or tension I guess, because I have a hard time sleeping.

:  Any advice?

:  Kava Kava Root doesn't seem to help me sleep.  Neither does valerian,

: chamomile, passionflower, or skullcaps.  What am I doing wrong?  Have I

: misunderstood the properties of these herbs?



No, you have misunderstood the difference between a diagnosis and a keynote.

You've tried the keynotes, now it is time to ask, WHY CAN'T YOU SLEEP?



You can start that process by stating what you mean 'hard time sleeping.'

Can't fall asleep, wake up and can't go back to sleep, poor quality sleep,

wake up unrefreshed, what? Then some background on your lifestyle and health

history. A pattern should develop.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 01:00:45 -0800

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From:         j higgins rosebrook <astarte@HALCYON.COM>

Subject:      new subscriber here

In-Reply-To:  <1228537854.18723107@pop.com>



Must say, it's a little daunting to have my first few messages be about

someone weary with too much mail.;-}



Just joined the list because I'm living in an unique situation, and I

want to learn to take full advantage of it.  I'm living and working on a

mountain top in the middle of the Cascades in Washington state.  In a

town near here there is a woman who knows all the medicinal and food

properties of all the indigenous plants, and she's going to teach me over

the course of the next few years how to gather in season, prepare and use

whatever is out there.  At the moment she's away on a forty day trek, and

I want to know something now.



One of the things we're going to do this summer is make soaps.  One scent

I want to capture for the soaps is the scent of just opening cottonwood

buds.  Balm of Gilead for sure.  Well, 2000 feet below me, they're

getting ready to open.  If I pick them, what do I put them in to save the

scent?



Jacque



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:47:45 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: new subscriber here



Jacque: When I read your post about capturing the scent of cottonwood I

couldn't help but think about a book I am re-reading, Perfume; The Story of

A Murderer by Patrick Susskind. Anyone interested in perfumery or murder or

herbs would enjoy this book. And, you might even glean a few tips on how to

distill those precious essences. Just don't go too far. :)



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 06:33:54 -0500

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From:         Paul Bernier <pbernier@ESCAPE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Any use for Milkweed (Asclepias spp.)? - Reply



><< In the northeast US, milkweed roots can be roasted and eaten as a survival

>food.  I've never tried eating them, but I'm told they were delicious,

>although maybe you have to be really hungry to enjoy them.  Whether this

>is the same milkweed as the one you have is questionable, so I wouldn't

>try eating it.  Chances are the locals have a good reason for avoiding

>it!



I don't know of any medicinal uses of milkweed, but I can testify that they

are darn good to eat. I've eaten the young shoots, the tender leaves, the

unopened flowers as well as the pods (when they are still young). Tey them.

You'll at least have the benefit of organic greens. The secret of eating

them is getting rid of the milky sap, which is sticky and extremely bitter.

You can do this by pouring boild water on them and boiling for about a

minute. Throw out the water and repeat. (Don't start with cold water). Try

them; they're delicious with a bit of butter, or covered with gravy.

Paul Bernier

(pbernier@escape.com)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 06:34:51 -0500

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From:         Paul Bernier <pbernier@ESCAPE.COM>

Subject:      Re: staghorn sumac



>I have lots of staghorn sumac growing on my property.  Can this be used

>safely?  How? The local people here tell me it's poisonous, but I have read

>that Native Americans used it as a beverage.



Gather a pile of the red berries and mix well with water. If you can use a

large mixer for five or ten minutes you'll get more flavor. Strain well; the

red hairs can itch! The sour taste is from malic acid. Add honey or sugar

and make a sort of "lemonade" drink that is very pleasant.

Paul Bernier

(Pbernier@escape.com)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:02:50 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>



 96-02-08 23:43:42 EST, you write:



>>Does anyone have any information on False Unicorn Root?  I recently mixed

up

>>a bunch of herbs for hormonal support (perimenopausal) and this ingredient

>>was called for.  Could not track it down in the local health food store.



False Unicorn Root (Helonias opulus) is known to affect oestrongenic activity

and is used in formulas to ease the discomforts of PMS, menopause, etc.

 Other than taht, I have little information available, and no idea where you

can track this herb down.  A midwife that I know recommends a forumula of

dong quai and licorice.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:02:48 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: new subscriber here



In a message dated 96-02-09 04:03:07 EST, you write:



>I'm living and working on a

>mountain top in the middle of the Cascades in Washington state.  In a

>town near here there is a woman who knows all the medicinal and food

>properties of all the indigenous plants, and she's going to teach me over

>the course of the next few years how to gather in season, prepare and use

>whatever is out there.  At the moment she's away on a forty day trek, and

>I want to know something now.

>

>One of the things we're going to do this summer is make soaps.  One scent

>I want to capture for the soaps is the scent of just opening cottonwood

>buds.  Balm of Gilead for sure.  Well, 2000 feet below me, they're

>getting ready to open.  If I pick them, what do I put them in to save the

>scent?



How fortunate for you to have the opportunity to develop such a relationship!

But if your concerned about capturing the essence of the cottonwood flowers

during you friends absence, then I have a few suggestions for you. If I'm not

mistaken the blooms are short lived, but will keep coming for a few

weeks...is that right? You could store the blossoms in 100-120 proof ethyl

alcohol to make a tincture, or even make an infusion in a vegetable-based

oil, but this situation sounds perfect for making a pomade.



Get two pieces of glass cut equally in size from a hardward store or home

center.  The panes don't have to be glass...they can be of any material that

is non-porous and won't absorb oils. Get the material cut to a managable

size, say the size of a book for instance. Completely smear one side of each

pane with a good quality oil, such as jojoba, almond, or sunflower. Gather

the blossoms and place them on the oiled panes.  Secure the panes together

with rubber bands, string, tape, whatever you've got handy.  Don't press the

panes too hard together, or you'll have stuff oozing out the sides.  You'll

want to add a fresh layer of blossoms and re-bind the panes each day, for

several days, or until you have a heavily perfumed fat clinging to the oiled

panes. At this point you have a pomade which you can use alone as a

moisturizer (add a few drops of glycerine) or you can add it to your soap

recipes.  Store the pomade in an airtight glass or plastic jar...you can add

the contents of a vitamin E capsule if you wish.



You can make an essential oil from this substance, but distillation of the

plant material is by far the best method. If you want to give it a try, you

can place some of the pomade (reserve some in case the oil doesn't turn out)

in a jar filled with ethyl alcohol.....try to get the best quality gin or

vodka with the highest proof you can find. (You may get some funny looks at

the liquor store when inquiring about this, but you can explain it's not

meant for consumption!) The correct ratio to use is 4 parts alcohol to 1 part

pomade measured in volume.  Let this mixture rest in a glass jar, just giving

it a gentle turn once a day, for 2-3 weeks. Skim off the fat and heat the

solution VERY slowly in a double boiler.  The alcohol will eventually

evaporate, and you'll be left with the essential oil.



I hope you'll share some of your "lessons" in the coming months.



Karyn Siegel-Maier

The Herbal Muse Press



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:37:31 EST

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From:         "Robert L. Lamons" <rlamons@PEN.K12.VA.US>

Subject:      Re: Liquorice



Is it appropriate for achild 3-6 year of age?





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:41:23 EST

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From:         Shoba Narayan <shoba@POPMAIL.I-2000.COM>

Subject:      Re: cold and hot herbs



At 05:38 AM 2/9/96 GMT, you wrote:

>In message ID <9602082304.AA19805@i-2000.com> on 2/8/96,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>: Just to add some more filip to the discussion, i wanted to throw in the

>: ayurveda- chinese medicine/herbs paradox.  ayurveda lists a set of criterea

>: for Vata personalities- chronically thin, prone to 'wind' diseases like

>: burping, gas, dryness, cold extremeties and several others.  Vata persons

>: are advised to eat cooked food, earthy meals such as beans and rice, and

>: specifically ginger and ghee.  sesame oil massage is another major

>: prescription for such types.

>:

>: chinese medicine, on the other hand considers (as you said) cold

>: extremities, dryness, etc as an indication of heat.  Ginger is therefore a

>: no-no.

>

>No, it isn't an indication of Heat. It indicates poor Spleen function (Spleen

>unable to nourish the Blood, Blood insufficient to carry Qi, Qi unable to

>warm the extremities).



but just from a common sense point of view- doesn't heat cause dryness? if

you look at a person with dry skin, dry lips and coarse, brittle looking

hair, wouldn't you say that they have excess heat in the body.  my friend,

who is an acupuncturist and TCM practitioner also said that i was blood

deficient.  i've been reading up on some herbs and rehmannia, dong quai are

a couple of herbs that i think are blood boosters.  but i am worried about

their hot nature.  or are they not hot?



when i rummaged through my herbs, I found a bottle Lophanthus antifebrile

pills that i got in chinatown a year ago.  it says it is an 'antipyretic and

stomachic tonic for the treatment of colds, digestive disorders, ie eating

too much raw or cold food, vague discomfort and abdominal fullness,

gastroenteritis with vomitting and diarhea.'  the primary herbs in this are

herba lophanthi, radix angelicase, pericarpium arecae, folium perillae,

poria, rhizoma atractylodis, macrocephalae, cortex magnoliae, radix

playcodi, pericarpium aurantii, radix glycyrrhizae, tuber pinelliae,

zizyphus jujubae, and ginger.  what are these herbs? is this a hot or cold

tonic? would this be good to tonify spleen functions?



i've been reading the Foundations of Chinese Medicine(great starter book in

case anyone wants to study TCM, by the way.)



i guess my myopia, cold extremeties all suggest that I should needle Lv 8,

sp 6, st 36 and so on.  but what's his name, that guy in Boulder....Bob

Flaws, that's it.  He says that women are frequently blood deficient and

herbs are the best way of building blood as opposed to acupuncture.  he

lists radix paeonia alba and tang keui as blood and yin tonics. i am sure

there are other herbs. would anybody know?



>: by ayurvedic standards, I am a Vata with a Pitta disorder as manifested by

>: chronic acne, dry lips.

>

>Also Blood depletion. Chronic acne is also weak Spleen unable to transform

>(possible chronic food stagnation).

>

>: Chinese medicine, on the other hand, says, among other things, that i have

>: heat in my stomach.

>

>I seriously doubt that. But a stomach can become Hot if the Yin becomes

>damaged. Still, that's fairly rare in such Yang depletion disorders.



wait, are you saying this is yang depletion.  i thought if a person is blood

deficient that means yin is consumed leading to apparant excess yang leading

to empty heat.  maybe not.

>

>: should i eat warming foods as a vata person, or cooling foods to get rid of

>: the heat in my stomach?

>

>Warming foods, of course.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:27:42 -0500

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From:         /Lisa Callihan <DrKatz4937@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: insomnia



Thank you for your reply.  The reason I can't sleep is that I have a

prolapsed mitral valve, and at times my heart races. I get adrenalin surges

sometimes which I don't think I can control. My doctor has me take a

beta-blocker in the morning,(this seems to have stopped the knife-like chest

pains I once had), and at night I take nortryptylline and lorazepam.  These

medicines enabled me to get at least some sleep. Mostly I would like to feel

drowsy in the evenings so I could get to sleep before 2 in the morning.  I

have hoped that when I found the right combination of natural medicine, I

could drop these other prescribed medicines.



                                                                      Thanks,



                                                                         Lisa

Callihan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:49:59 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: cold and hot herbs



In message ID <9602091341.AA23879@i-2000.com> on 2/9/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >: chinese medicine, on the other hand considers (as you said) cold

: >: extremities, dryness, etc as an indication of heat.  Ginger is

: therefore a >: no-no.

: >

: >No, it isn't an indication of Heat. It indicates poor Spleen

: function (Spleen >unable to nourish the Blood, Blood insufficient to

: carry Qi, Qi unable to >warm the extremities).

:

: but just from a common sense point of view- doesn't heat cause dryness?



There are several causes of Dryness. If Blood isn't there, this is a kind of

drought, which doesn't require Heat at all. Then there is also the issue of

irrigation. If the Blood were plentiful but couldn't get to the tissues (poor

Spleen function, bound Liver Qi, whatever), there would also be drought.



: if

: you look at a person with dry skin, dry lips and coarse, brittle looking

: hair, wouldn't you say that they have excess heat in the body.  my friend,

: who is an acupuncturist and TCM practitioner also said that i was blood

: deficient.  i've been reading up on some herbs and rehmannia, dong quai are

: a couple of herbs that i think are blood boosters.  but i am worried about

: their hot nature.  or are they not hot?



Neither are Hot. But in fact the proper therapy is Boost Spleen Qi to

Manufacture Blood. You need to look at Ginseng and Danggui Eight (Ba Zhen

Tang).



: when i rummaged through my herbs, I found a bottle Lophanthus antifebrile

: pills that i got in chinatown a year ago.  it says it is an 'antipyretic

and

: stomachic tonic for the treatment of colds, digestive disorders, ie eating

: too much raw or cold food, vague discomfort and abdominal fullness,

: gastroenteritis with vomitting and diarhea.'  the primary herbs in this are

: herba lophanthi, radix angelicase, pericarpium arecae, folium perillae,

: poria, rhizoma atractylodis, macrocephalae, cortex magnoliae, radix

: playcodi, pericarpium aurantii, radix glycyrrhizae, tuber pinelliae,

: zizyphus jujubae, and ginger.  what are these herbs? is this a hot or cold

: tonic? would this be good to tonify spleen functions?



That formula is for, as it says, stomach flu. Inappropriate for you (too

Exteriorizing).



: >: Chinese medicine, on the other hand, says, among other things,

: that i have >: heat in my stomach.

: >

: >I seriously doubt that. But a stomach can become Hot if the Yin becomes

: >damaged. Still, that's fairly rare in such Yang depletion disorders.

:

: wait, are you saying this is yang depletion.  i thought if a person is

blood

: deficient that means yin is consumed leading to apparant excess yang

leading

: to empty heat.  maybe not.



Women are Blood Deficient once a month (at least). There are lots of details

you're skipping over, and theory is a wonderful bedfellow, but clinical

experience makes a better partner.



Yang depletion needn't affect Yin much at all.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:41:49 -0800

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From:         j higgins rosebrook <astarte@HALCYON.COM>

Subject:      Re: Any use for Milkweed (Asclepias spp.)? - Reply

In-Reply-To:  <199602091133.GAA14061@escape.com>



My Lakota Grandma told me that they used to use milkweed sap from the

plants that grew around Pine Ridge - for bandages.........Jacque



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:38:23 -0800

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From:         j higgins rosebrook <astarte@HALCYON.COM>

Subject:      Re: staghorn sumac

In-Reply-To:  <199602091134.GAA14123@escape.com>



On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Paul Bernier wrote:



> >I have lots of staghorn sumac growing on my property.  Can this be used

> >safely?  How? The local people here tell me it's poisonous, but I have read

> >that Native Americans used it as a beverage.

> >

> >

> Gather a pile of the red berries and mix well with water. If you can use a

> large mixer for five or ten minutes you'll get more flavor. Strain well; the

> red hairs can itch! The sour taste is from malic acid. Add honey or sugar

> and make a sort of "lemonade" drink that is very pleasant.

> Paul Bernier

> (Pbernier@escape.com)



Aaaah, pleasant childhood memories.  Grew up in the Yakima Valley.  We

used to make the `lemonade' and when we were out wandering the banks of

the canals, we'd just pick the fruits and hold them in our mouths like

poor kids' `red hots'



Now that I'm into Middle Eastern cooking, there's an ingredient I use a

lot that's called Sumac.  Looks the same, tastes the same, always

wondered if it is the same and I could just grind up sumac from home

instead of trekking to the souk in Seattle...........



Jacque



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:50:39 -0800

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From:         j higgins rosebrook <astarte@HALCYON.COM>

Subject:      Re: New subscriber in Washington

In-Reply-To:  <960209082503_139856305@emout08.mail.aol.com>



On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Donna Hench wrote:

> Did you die and go to Heaven????

Big grin.............



My standard sigh is that if this isn't paradise, I'm sure I can see it

from here.  I think I found it last summer about six miles from here.  A

little horseshoe lake with leaping brookies (trout), tall peaks all

around, deer, critters, solitude, berries.........



A friend who workd for the Natl Weather Service told me about how much

trouble they were having trying to find someone who wanted to live all

alone way out here and keep the computers and electronics running.  I

couldn't imagine not wanting to do that..



Jacque



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:36:07 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Help for swelling!



At 08:13 AM 2/7/96 +0000, you wrote:

>Try Willard Water.  Info can be found at http://www.mtnhigh.com/

>

>>I was wondering if anyone has any information about swelling or reducing

water from your system via herbal medecion.

>>I usually take the over the coneter stuff. But, I was wondering if there is

anything else that I can use.



You didn't say why you have swelling or are retaining water.  Be careful

with over the counter stuff. It can deplete potassium.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:11:53 EST

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From:         MS MITZI A MICELI <UGFP21A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Buspar and Effexor



To all:



It amazes me that people take care to learn about herbs before taking

them, yet unquestionably take meds prescribed by a physician without

learning about them. A list member asked about whether the meds being

taken were MAO inhibitors because, she wanted to take a herbal compound

that stated an interaction with MAO inhibitors, yet the medicine Buspar

that she asked about carries the same interaction.  People please take

time to learn about the medicines that you are taking.  Ask your

pharmacist for a sheet of information on all new drugs that you are

taking.  They all have them available.  Some medicines interact with

Over The Counter medicines and many other things.  Always know why you

are taking the medicines that you are taking, how you are suppose to be

taking them, and what interact with them.  This may seem like simple

advice, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who need to hear

it.



                                Its' not doing the things that we like to do,

Mitzi Miceli                    but liking the things that we have to do,

ugfp21a@prodigy.com             that make life blessed!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 10 Feb 1996 03:43:02 +0200

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From:         Shaula Evans <sevans@AWINC.COM>

Subject:      another stage question, sort of



I have gotten myself into quite a spot, and I hope I will be able to draw on

the collective wisdom of the list.



I have the lead (i.e., Dorothy) in a local production of the musical, The

Wiz.  Our director has decided to cast a live dog as Toto (auditions are

tomorrow), and I am allergic to dogs.



For my allergies, I have a remedy from my naturopath, the primary ingredient

of which is ephedrine.  (Apologies, I am not on my own computer and don't

have the bottle with me.)



After the doggy auditions tomorrow, I have a full day of rehearsals, so I

will have an opportunity to find out how my body reacts to performing full

of ephedrine.  I take a very small dose, normally, and still find that I get

shaky, have wild adrenaline rushes, and get very emotional.



To top it all of, I have just had a major relationship end this week, and I

have major PMS--so I can't get much weepier/emotional than I am now; and

will be PMS-y 4weeks from now when the show opens.



My questions:



1) Does anyone have suggestions for alternatives to ephedrine for treating

asthma/dog allergies?  (I am going to see my naturopath next week, but would

like to go well-informed.)



2)  If ephedrine seems to be my best alternative, is there any herb I can

take with it (I was thinking something like Valerian or St. John's Wort)

that will calm me down a bit and mellow out the wild emotional reactions,

without interfering with the beneficial effects of ephedrine on the asthma?



3)  I am drinking Valerian tea by the gallon right now, to try to keep

myself together until things settle down a bit.  Can anyone reccomend

anything else?  I find it helps...but I don't always have a kettle and a

teapot handy if I go out of the house!



4)  Also, does anyone have opinions on the alcohol free version of Salusan,

the herbal nerve remedy from the makers of Floradix?  I've been thinking it

might be the trick, but I am an amateur at all this, and I don't want to

foolishly turn myself into a herbal cocktail.



TIA



Shaula

the weepy, wheezy Dorothy of the North



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:25:21 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: another stage question, sort of



In a message dated 96-02-09 20:44:21 EST, you write:



>For my allergies, I have a remedy from my naturopath, the primary ingredient

>of which is ephedrine.  (Apologies, I am not on my own computer and don't

>have the bottle with me.)

>

>After the doggy auditions tomorrow, I have a full day of rehearsals, so I

>will have an opportunity to find out how my body reacts to performing full

>of ephedrine.  I take a very small dose, normally, and still find that I get

>shaky, have wild adrenaline rushes, and get very emotional.

>

>To top it all of, I have just had a major relationship end this week, and I

>have major PMS--so I can't get much weepier/emotional than I am now; and

>will be PMS-y 4weeks from now when the show opens.

>

>



Ephedrine is a stimulant and acts very much like adrenalin on the central

nervous sytem, and its affect can last longer. In your current emotional

state, the intake of ephedrine could lead to added anxiety, hypertension and

possibly insomnia.  You said your health care provider gave you a formula

which contains ephedrine (the primary herb is probably Ma huang)....what are

the other ingredients?



A few cups of Chamomile tea each day will not only help you sleep at night,

but will help prevent the release of histamine, which triggers an allergic

reaction. I have great success with homeopathic remedies commercially

prepared and available in health food stores, most pharmacies and

supermarkets.  I use the allergy formula made by SunSource.



I recently read of a simple formula to suppress allergic reactions formulated

by Victoria Edwards, an aromatherapist.  She suggests combining one drop each

of hyssop & cypress essential oils and placing the mixture on the back of

your tongue.  Supposedly, it's less than palatable, but reputedly brings fast

relief from and can last up to two hours.



It's interesting that you mentioned St. John's Wort.  This herb has long had

a reputation as a mood elevator, in fact it's often used in treating

depression, especially in women. Studies have shown that its use can

alleviate feelings of anxiety, and like Valerian, can improve the quality of

sleep without causing morning grogginess.  You can take capsules of the dried

herb (3-4 grams) three times a day.



On a non-herbal note:  It sounds like you have alot going for you, and

although there are some factors in your life which are emotionally trying, it

may be wise to take some time (perhaps in daily meditation, exercise,

artistic expression, etc) to help you to relax and center yourself. Positive

visualization is always helpful, for physical as well as emotional well

being.



Kudos on winning the part!  Break a leg!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 23:21:31 -0500

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From:         Robert & Paula Weiner <wpwmagic@CRIS.COM>

Subject:      Re: Buspar and Effexor



At 19:11 2/9/96 EST, you wrote:

>To all:

>

>It amazes me that people take care to learn about herbs before taking

>them, yet unquestionably take meds prescribed by a physician without

>learning about them. A list member asked about whether the meds being

>taken were MAO inhibitors because, she wanted to take a herbal compound

>that stated an interaction with MAO inhibitors, yet the medicine Buspar

>that she asked about carries the same interaction.  People please take

>time to learn about the medicines that you are taking.  Ask your

>pharmacist for a sheet of information on all new drugs that you are

>taking.  They all have them available.  Some medicines interact with

>Over The Counter medicines and many other things.  Always know why you

>are taking the medicines that you are taking, how you are suppose to be

>taking them, and what interact with them.  This may seem like simple

>advice, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who need to hear

>it.

>

>                                Its' not doing the things that we like to do,

>Mitzi Miceli                    but liking the things that we have to do,

>ugfp21a@prodigy.com             that make life blessed!



In the same spirit of letting everyone know how important it is to control

your own treatment, I quote the following from the January issue of Dr.

Julian Whitaker's Health & Healing Newsletter.  The subject matter is the

over prescribing of drugs and many people taking multiple drugs.  Drug

side-effects are bad enough.  But because many people are taking several

prescriptions at the same time, the interactions could be dangerous.  Always

tell your doctor all the drugs you are taking, both prescription and

over-the-counter



"... In fact, most drugs cause disease, and for many people, the

drug-induced disease is worse than the original condition.  ...Overall,

eight million people per year are hospitalized--28% of all admissions--for

diseases brought on by drugs that were supposed to improve their condition."

       "Worse, adverse drug effects are responsible for about 100,000 deaths

a year--that's more than double the 45,000 people a year who die in

automobile accidents.  The findings of a recent Harvard study showed that

conventional medical care is the fourth leading cause of death in the USA,

right after killers like heart disease, cancer, and stroke!  The real figure

is likely even higher, as many deaths attributed to heart disease or even

cancer are due to the treatment, not the disease."



I know this doesn't have much to do with Herbs per se, but I posted it in

the interests of education.  It gives more reason to look for alternative,

maybe even safer, methods of medications - Herbs being one of the possibilities.



Bob



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:23:09 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      insomnia/mitral valve prolapse



>From:    /Lisa Callihan <DrKatz4937@AOL.COM>

>Subject: Re: insomnia

>

>Thank you for your reply.  The reason I can't sleep is that I have a

>prolapsed mitral valve, and at times my heart races. I get adrenalin surges

>sometimes which I don't think I can control. My doctor has me take a

>beta-blocker in the morning,(this seems to have stopped the knife-like ches=

t

>pains I once had), and at night I take nortryptylline and lorazepam.  These

>medicines enabled me to get at least some sleep. Mostly I would like to fee=

l

>drowsy in the evenings so I could get to sleep before 2 in the morning.  I

>have hoped that when I found the right combination of natural medicine, I

>could drop these other prescribed medicines.



Hi Lisa,



The problem here is the meds you are taking are stopping you from sleeping=

 as much as anything else. You are basically too adrenaline wired to fall=

 alseep  when your body needs to.



To meet your stated objective, you really need some guidance from a=

 herbalist (or ND who uses botanicals ) with experience of working with=

 stronger herbs that can help cardiac conditions, of which there are several=

 that are used with great effectiveness. Generally they do not produce the=

 side effects of synthetic cardiac drugs because they are not acting in the=

 same way. However,  these herbs are not readily available - for sensible=

 reasons - and self prescription would not be a good idea. It is certainly=

 possible to come to a "natural" medicine solution for mitral conditions,=

 depending on the severity etc - , but also that is not always the best=

 strategy either. If one of our bits is plain busted then sometimes the best=

 use of herbs is to strengthen all the other parts that are taking the=

 strain of having a slightly damaged pump....it all depends on your=

 particular case. First step could be to try adjusting your meds with your=

 doc. Then work with a high dose of Scutellaria and Passiflora. Valerian is=

 less effective in the adrenaline stress scenario. If you can find fresh=

 tinctures of Verbena and Leonorus, those too may help.



jonathan



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 10 Feb 1996 07:47:50 -0500

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From:         dorothy debisschop <dotdb@USA.PIPELINE.COM>

Subject:      Re: weepy, wheezy Dorothy of the North



Given that my name is Dorothy and I raise Cairn Terriers, I want to

encourage you to look at your dog allergy problem from another direction.

Instead of worrying about what herbs or meds you can take to overcome your

allergy, see if the dog's owner will bathe him/her before each performance.



A nice clean dog (whose dander is the real culprit, not the dog) will

reduce your distress amazingly. If one of my Cairns was lucky enough to be

in the Wizard, I would be grooming it special for each performance anyway.

See if you and the dog owner can work cooperatively to find the best doggie

shampoo for the results you need.

Good luck. And don't blame Toto -- it's just his dander!

--



Dorothy A. DeBisschop



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 10 Feb 1996 11:24:23 -0500

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From:         Barbara Feshami <Mdara333@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: another stage question, sort of



In a message dated 96-02-09 20:44:21 EST, you write:



>

>3)  I am drinking Valerian tea by the gallon right now, to try to keep

>myself together until things settle down a bit.  Can anyone reccomend

>anything else?  I find it helps...but I don't always have a kettle and a

>teapot handy if I go out of the house!

>

>



Ouch....I worry about anyone drinking that much valerian on a regular basis.

 Never, never forget...that herbs can be the equivalent of prescription

medicines and equally as deadly.  Valerian is a powerful sedative....AND is

addictive.  Don't forget that.  Please.

As with any herbal concoction, use with care and when making teas, never

leave the leaves in longer than 3-5 minutes unless specified by an herbalist

or naturopath who really know what they are doing.  YOu can get in to tons of

trouble otherwise.



Sorry for being such a naysayer, for I really am a believer in herbal cures.

 But with common sense and caution.



Take care and regards to all,

Barbara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:01:37 -0800

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From:         Kris Gammon <griztotm@PACIFICRIM.NET>

Subject:      Re: another stage question, sort of



>Ouch....I worry about anyone drinking that much valerian on a regular basis.

 >Never, never forget...that herbs can be the equivalent of prescription

>medicines and equally as deadly.  Valerian is a powerful sedative....AND is

>addictive.  Don't forget that.  Please



>>I didn't realize that Valerian was so powerful.  I'd heard cautions about

>>using it consistently, but not that it was addictive.  Thanks for the info.]



Valerian is ADDICTIVE? I have never heard that before. I have used it for

several years as an answer to my insomnia. I take 6-8 capsules when I

know I will not sleep. It has never "put" me to sleep, but it always

keeps me asleep through the night. There have been times I needed it for

up to a week, but I have never had to rely on it nightly. I know I have

consumed a large amount of Valerian and I also know I am not addicted to

it. All the material I have read about Valerian indicates it is not

addictive.



GRIZ



<---- End Included Message ---->



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:18:18 EST

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From:         Barbara Watts 813-588-3573 <WATTSB@MAIL.FIRN.EDU>

Subject:      Re: ? re: MAO inhibitors

In-Reply-To:  <1687420926.8735708@pop.com>



Paul II

I tried to email you privately, but it came back address unknown.  This is

a thank you for the information on a warm diet for the 83 year old man with

the drooling problem.  Can you mention some foods in the "warm "

family..or, those to avoid?  He has not had any TIA's or any stroke

history-he does seem to have developed sinus/allergy problems (here in

Florida- very humid, lost of mold spores, etdc.).  Private email.

Barbara

wattsb@mail.firn.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:47:11 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Valerian Toxicity



Valerian is not addictive - period. Neither Kommission E nor the British=

 Herbal Compendium

lists any known toxicity via the oral route. These monographs are the basis=

 of considerable tonnage of valerian root consumption per anum in Europe.



=46urthermore, one of the commonest problems in self prescribed use of=

 Valerian is UNDERdosage - leading to frequent complaints that the extract=

 is inneffective.



Valerian is safe up to 240 mgm of standardised extract per day, up to 15gm=

 infused root per day, or 5ml 1:3 tincture 3x day. There are no=

 contraindications and no side effects.



Please give the sources of information that such and such a herb is powerful=

 or addictive before  spreading alarmist posts. There are indeed several=

 herbs that need to be approached with a modicum of caution. Short of=

 drowning by putting your head  in a bucket of it or possibly having a heart=

 attack as the neighbourhood stray cats leap out of your stash, there is no=

 risk involved with valerian.  Personally I take about 10gms of fluid=

 extract ( 1:1) for a good nights sleep. Yum.



jonathan



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:47:15 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: iatrogenesis



>"... In fact, most drugs cause disease, and for many people, the

>drug-induced disease is worse than the original condition.  ...Overall,

>eight million people per year are hospitalized--28% of all admissions--for

>diseases brought on by drugs that were supposed to improve their condition."

>       "Worse, adverse drug effects are responsible for about 100,000 deaths

>a year--that's more than double the 45,000 people a year who die in

>automobile accidents.  The findings of a recent Harvard study showed that

>conventional medical care is the fourth leading cause of death in the USA,

>right after killers like heart disease, cancer, and stroke!  The real figure

>is likely even higher, as many deaths attributed to heart disease or even

>cancer are due to the treatment, not the disease."

>

>I know this doesn't have much to do with Herbs per se, but I posted it in

>the interests of education.  It gives more reason to look for alternative,

>maybe even safer, methods of medications - Herbs being one of the possibilities.

>

>Bob



Well Bob

- actually that post is about the most relevant thing to herbs I saw on this list in a long time although the figures I've seen are higher the basic picture is right there....

jonathan



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 02:20:28 GMT

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From:         CB Leek <cleek@TERRA.NLNET.NF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Valerian Toxicity

In-Reply-To:  <199602102346.PAA14541@desiree.teleport.com>



On Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:47:11 -0800, jonathan treasure

<jonno@TELEPORT.COM>wrote:



<<<various snips>>

>Valerian is safe up to 240 mgm of standardised extract per day, up to 15gm=

> infused root per day, or 5ml 1:3 tincture 3x day. There are no=

> contraindications and no side effects.

> risk involved with valerian.  Personally I take about 10gms of fluid=

> extract ( 1:1) for a good nights sleep. Yum.

I am very curious re: dosage here.  Specifically tablet/capsule form.



What does this translate into for the commercial preparations?

The following products, as examples, have (amongst other ingredients)

the listed content and recommended dosages of Valerian root:



Swiss Natural Sources'  'Sleep*Well'   400mg X 2  = 800mg total.

Swiss Natural Sources'  'Herbal Nerve'   78 mg X 3/day = 234mg total

Nature's Resource Valerian Root 445mg 1 or 2 before bed = 890mg total

Jamieson's 'Relax and Sleep'  200mg  2 or 3 before bed = 600 mg total

Nu-Life's  'Relax All'   425mg (Equiv. dose Crude Herb)  X 4/day =

                                                  1700mg total



Do these all exceed your recommendations re: standardised extract or

are they within reason, since they are crude root?  (Or whatever the

companies do to them to get them pressed.)

Thank you for any input.

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 10:52:43 -0500

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From:         Jose Garcia <jgarcia@EPIX.NET>

Subject:      Valerian vs. Valium

In-Reply-To:  <199602102159.QAA26776@epix.net>



This subject was originally:

Subject: Re: another stage question, sort of



Barbara Feshami <Mdara333@AOL.COM> writes:

>>Never, never forget...that herbs can be the equivalent of prescription

>>medicines and equally as deadly.  Valerian is a powerful sedative....AND is

>>addictive.  Don't forget that.  Please.



I believe you are confusing the herb Valeriana officinalis, Valerian, with

the pharmaceutical drug Valium.



The active constituents of Valerian are valepotriates while Valium is the

tradename of a potent synthetic drug, diazepam, containing benzodiasepines.



Other than the names being similar, the two have nothing in common. Valerian

is safe to use and CANNOT become addictive.



Jose

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 11:31:10 -0500

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From:         Robert & Paula Weiner <wpwmagic@CRIS.COM>

Subject:      Allergies



At 16:18 2/10/96 EST, you wrote:

>...-he does seem to have developed sinus/allergy problems (here in

>Florida- very humid, lost of mold spores, etdc.).  Private email.

>Barbara

>wattsb@mail.firn.edu

>

I live Orlando, Florida, (the state plant here is mildew, kudzu runs a

distant second) and I am also plagued by a constantly stuffed nose.  I have

tried over the counter antihistamine products, but none seem to help.  Even

tried prescriptions antihistamines a couple of times with only little

relief.  Do not like taking that stuff anyway.  To many possible side

effects.  I do not have any other allergies that I know of, other than

insect stings, but most of the time I cannot breath through my nose.

Occasionally one nostril will partially clear, but within days will block up

again.



The problem may be the invisible dust mites that are everywhere and molds in

our air ducting.  During the seasons when heat or air conditioning is in use

the symptoms seem to be worse, but it is a year round problem.  The ducting

is scheduled to be cleaned out soon.  Just wonder if there are any herbs or

foods that may help eliminate the problem, or at least alleviate it somewhat?



Thanks,



Bob



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 11:48:31 -0400

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From:         JOAN COPMAN <copman@ACC.FAU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Allergies

In-Reply-To:  <2.2.16.19960211113307.400f0cd6@mail.concentric.net>



Hi Everyone,



I am adding myself to Bob's post, I live further south in Florida,

specifically in Coconut Creek (south of Boca Raton and north of Ft.

Lauderdale).   I have the same problem but mostly in the winter months

when doors and windows are opened.  I seem to be somewhat improved when

the AC is on.  I've been taking Echinacea and Goldenseal, 4 days on and 4

days off.  Also, Garlic and/or Bee Pollen or Propolis along with my regular

regime of vitamins and minerals.  When I get really stuffy I ususally take

a product by Nature's Herbs called "Allerelief" doesn't seem to make me

drowsy or have much of the side effects as the OTC drugs do.



But I am open to suggestions, as I still seem to get sick with either a

bad sinus infection or the flu every winter this time.   I just got over

a 2.5 week bout....so I would like help too.  Thanks..



Joan



> I live Orlando, Florida, (the state plant here is mildew, kudzu runs a

> distant second) and I am also plagued by a constantly stuffed nose.  I have

> tried over the counter antihistamine products, but none seem to help.  Even

> tried prescriptions antihistamines a couple of times with only little

> relief.  Do not like taking that stuff anyway.  To many possible side

> effects.  I do not have any other allergies that I know of, other than

> insect stings, but most of the time I cannot breath through my nose.

> Occasionally one nostril will partially clear, but within days will block up

> again.

>

> The problem may be the invisible dust mites that are everywhere and molds in

> our air ducting.  During the seasons when heat or air conditioning is in use

> the symptoms seem to be worse, but it is a year round problem.  The ducting

> is scheduled to be cleaned out soon.  Just wonder if there are any herbs or

> foods that may help eliminate the problem, or at least alleviate it somewhat?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Bob



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        Florida Atlantic University -   Boca Raton, Florida 33431

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:57:36 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Allergy Response



In a message dated 96-02-11 11:33:53 EST, you write:



>P



Bob:  For years, since childhood, I had very bad allergy problems.  When I

was in my twenties I started taken bee pollen.  After a few months of taking

it my allergy problems improved immensely.  Four years ago my homeopathic

doctor began to treat me with vitamins and herbs for chronic fatigue

syndrome.  Shortly after that all of my allergy problems cleared up.  I was

told that the bee pollen works like getting shots.  The bees collect pollen

from many of the same things we are allergic too.  Now I take a combination

of bee pollen, propolic and royal jelly.  I purchase this from Puritan's

Pride twice a year when they have their buy two.get three free sales.

(Currently ending 3/5).  There number is 1-800-645-1030.  I've been buying

from them for years and have been really pleased.  You might want to try

this.  It's no quick fix, but in the long run I really believe it builds the

system up.



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 16:41:54 AST

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From:         "J. GRAHAM" <GRAHAM_J92@COX.NSAC.NS.CA>

Subject:      Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath



Could some one please provide me with a clear defintion regarding

these practises?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:48:00 -0700

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From:         bruce bammes <beb8064@CC.UTAH.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Allergies

In-Reply-To:  <2.2.16.19960211113307.400f0cd6@mail.concentric.net>



Dear Robert and Paula,

        As much as I hate to recommend harsh chemicals, I have found that

ordinary clorox bleach in a spray bottle kills and eliminates mildew on

the spot.  You need to use it in a well ventelated situation, and avoid

breathing the vapors or use an appropriate mask.  Bleach will also kill

dust mites.  The advantage of bleach is that it will evaporate, (hence the

fumes) and as long as you are absent while the fumes clear out you should

recieve much less harm than the mildew or the mites (less effective

against mites).  A number of essential oils can prevent the

reestablishment of the mildew.  Perhaps someone on the list can suggest

something.  A dehumidifier will also help.

        Dust mites can be killed by any light oil that will clog their

breathing pores.  That is you can spray suspected areas with a light scented

oil and the little nastys will die.  A little pleasant smelling lemon

oil (or something like it) sprayed on a dust mop will discomfit the mites

and help the dust mop pick up the dust bunnies.

        Check your heating/cooling system for pockets of moisture and

eliminate them.  A number of nasty bugs including Legionares Disease can

be wafted through the ducts!  We are hopefully allergic to a number of

bacteria.  When numbers of bacteria are presented to the mucus membranes

of our noses they start a histamine reaction that is proper and

appropriate.  If there are few bacteria/spores we do not notice, but if

there are many then we get stuffed up.  If we are not allergic enough

then we get sick.

        I think we were much better off before central air/heat, and wall

to wall carpet.  (Not to mention the various chemical insults that we

recieve from our less than natural environment.)

        It is perhaps unwise to chemically disable our immune reactions

with antihistamines (herbal or otherwise).  The wiser way is to go after

and eliminate the antigens.

        You probably allready know this.  The "modern" way seems to be to

medicate and change our bodies, when it is better to "fix" our environment.

Or in diffrent words: If it aint broke don't fix it!

                        Bruce



Bruce Bammes--University of Utah--USA  Disabled Rights Activist

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On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Robert & Paula Weiner wrote:



> At 16:18 2/10/96 EST, you wrote:

> >...-he does seem to have developed sinus/allergy problems (here in

> >Florida- very humid, lost of mold spores, etdc.).  Private email.

> >Barbara

> >wattsb@mail.firn.edu

> >

> I live Orlando, Florida, (the state plant here is mildew, kudzu runs a

> distant second) and I am also plagued by a constantly stuffed nose.  I have

> tried over the counter antihistamine products, but none seem to help.  Even

> tried prescriptions antihistamines a couple of times with only little

> relief.  Do not like taking that stuff anyway.  To many possible side

> effects.  I do not have any other allergies that I know of, other than

> insect stings, but most of the time I cannot breath through my nose.

> Occasionally one nostril will partially clear, but within days will block up

> again.

>

> The problem may be the invisible dust mites that are everywhere and molds in

> our air ducting.  During the seasons when heat or air conditioning is in use

> the symptoms seem to be worse, but it is a year round problem.  The ducting

> is scheduled to be cleaned out soon.  Just wonder if there are any herbs or

> foods that may help eliminate the problem, or at least alleviate it somewhat?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Bob

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:23:13 -0500

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From:         David Campano <davecam@PRGONE.COM>

Subject:      Homeopathy and Hair?



 Hi everyone, I was wondering how many of you new about the "Enrich" company

and their product called "Increase". I have talked to a few people that said

it really helped regrow their hair, or for women, helped their hair quality!

It is a homeopathic preparation I guess. I have personally had tremendous

experience using "Kyolic" Liquid Garlic Extract for skin, and I suspect from

it's content in "Sulfonic Amino Acids" that is going to be one of the

ultimate "Hair Rejuvanators"(I read one of the labs doing research believed

this was going to be the answer)!! It clears up my skin in a matter of

days!! I'm talking "Boils" here, (I'm 43)and they would usually take 2 to 3

months to shrink! I had an small item in the August 22 issue of "Your

Health" magazine of how I cured my cat of "Leukemia" by force feeding it

Kyolic Garlic mixed with Chicken Broth! I just had a lady send me a message

on how in two days she got her cat off insulin by feeding it Garlic!  We're

talking very short periods of time here people!! I believe the Kyolic is

more "potent" than the raw, their is a book by Dr. Benjamin Lau on the

making of this product! I haven't tried it on my hair...but if it works like

it does on skin...it will be truly amazing! Anyway..I look forward to "your'

personal stories or feedback on the previous information! Thanks: dave

Campano (davecam@prgone.com)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 16:52:14 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: valerian toxicity



>>Valerian is safe up to 240 mgm of standardised extract per day, up to 15gm=

=3D

>> infused root per day, or 5ml 1:3 tincture 3x day. There are no=3D

>> contraindications and no side effects.

>> risk involved with valerian.  Personally I take about 10gms of fluid=3D

>> extract ( 1:1) for a good nights sleep. Yum.

>I am very curious re: dosage here.  Specifically tablet/capsule form.

>

>What does this translate into for the commercial preparations?

>The following products, as examples, have (amongst other ingredients)

>the listed content and recommended dosages of Valerian root:

>

>Swiss Natural Sources'  'Sleep*Well'   400mg X 2  =3D 800mg total.

>Swiss Natural Sources'  'Herbal Nerve'   78 mg X 3/day =3D 234mg total

>Nature's Resource Valerian Root 445mg 1 or 2 before bed =3D 890mg total

>Jamieson's 'Relax and Sleep'  200mg  2 or 3 before bed =3D 600 mg total

>Nu-Life's  'Relax All'   425mg (Equiv. dose Crude Herb)  X 4/day =3D

>                                                  1700mg total

>

>Do these all exceed your recommendations re: standardised extract or

>are they within reason, since they are crude root?  (Or whatever the

>companies do to them to get them pressed.)

>Thank you for any input.



sorry I don't know cos I don't have access to these commercial preps. There=

 IS a potential  confusion between what is called in the USA "crude drug" on=

 the one hand ie  powdered dried valerian root ( or whatever herb), put in=

 caps, and on the other hand capsules of solid extract, which is basically=

 an ethanolic extraction from which all the solvent is evaporated leaving a=

 a dried grunge which when powdered is then put into the capsules.



This second one is much much stronger in the sense that it contains a larger=

 amount of the constituents of the plant per gram, without wood, lignin,=

 cellulose  dead worms, etc, but may undergo potential denaturing of the=

 active constituents in the process of evaporation or whatever method is=

 used to make the solid extract. ( Some of the process are better then=

 others - but they can virtually destroy a plants activity)



So - on the packaging it should state whether it is crude drug ie powdered=

 root and all OR solid extract. If it is a first class solid extract then 1=

 mgm will be 1 mgm of extracted solids. If it is standardised, you will then=

 be advised that it contains no less than x% valepotriates. The dose I gave=

 was  actually based on a non standardised solid extract, and the tincture=

 doseswere self explanatory as was  the whole root for infusion. Of course -=

 some companies in the USA are apparently more interested in profit than=

 enlightenment and  appear to deliberately set out to mislead by avoiding=

 this clarification when retailing encapsulated herbal products.



Generally speaking unless there are religious , ethical , dietary-medical=

 grounds for not using alcohol, you are probably in a better position with=

 tinctures which traditionally are regarded as "encapsulating" ( sic)  more=

 of the whole plant qualities, especially if the starting material is fresh.=

 Keep away from capsules marketed by clean cut nutraceutical companies with=

 slick marketing .....you don't know where they've been. (Nor do 90% of the=

 people peddling them) They are primarily produced as a marketing ploy  to=

 pander to average americans proclivities for popping pills as opposed to=

 dealing with something nasty like a tincture - let alone tea made from=

 roots.  To be honest, the closer you can get to the plant the better. Try=

 rolling in a field of valerian. I hail from the uK where the possibility of=

 such a thing is remote 70 million people in area less than this one state (=

 oregon) ... but there's a lot of valerian in them thar hills so count your=

 blessings and harvest your own......



err hope this helps.....



jonathan.



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:14:38 -0500

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From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: Buspar and Effexor



>>Always know why you

are taking the medicines that you are taking, how you are suppose to be

taking them, and what interact with them.  This may seem like simple

advice, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who need to hear

it.

@@ i agree completely.  Whenever herbal medications are discussed, the

statement of "don't do this yourself, go and see a doctor" keeps coming up.

 It is obviously good advice.  But there are so many people on so many

medications, blindly taking them because their doctors told them to.  I'm not

doctor bashing, but all the ones I've been to are just prescription writers.

 I am more likely to have questions asked about my health history by the

folks who work in my local Health food store.



Dara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:14:45 -0500

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From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: another stage question, sort of



I am currently working on the other side of theatre.... I've been hanging and

focusing lights for a couple of shows.  I'm also taking a ballet class (3

hours a week).  I am quite unfit, and about 60 pounds heavier than I was 2

years ago (I "got sick" with CFIDS - Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction

Syndrome 2 years ago.  I also have Fibromyalgia).



After a ballet class, other than being exhausted, I have really bad pains in

my calves.  It lasts for hours and keeps me from sleeping.  I've also

developed pain in my knees.  a sharp pain (as if there were little men in

there stabbing me with knives) inside my knee, where it moves,,,, i don't

know how quite to describe it.  Climbing up and down ladders hanging lights

and such is not helping matters.



My ballet teacher believes this to be inflamation, and I have been taking

licorice root, which seems to have helped.  However, the pain in my legs

seems to be helped by heat which makes me think that it's not inflammation.

if so, would the licorice root be making my legs worse? <smile>

any suggestions?

Thank you all.



Dara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:08:35 -0500

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From:         Bernadette Brumfield <Bernade332@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Blood Cleanser?? Iridologist??



Could someone suggest a good strong herbal combination for cleansing blood??

Also I am looking to unite Iridologist.  If you are one, please respond.

 Thank you.

Bernadette



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:13:28 -0500

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From:         Bernadette Brumfield <Bernade332@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Allergies



Colloidal silver directly in each nostril  two or three times a day until

relief comes and infection is healed.  Mullien for the mucous or lobilia for

the lungs.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:20:26 -0500

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From:         Bernadette Brumfield <Bernade332@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: another stage question, sort of



I have read that Candida may be agravated by body's inability to digest

protien.  Try a good digestive enzme with each meal.  Mathake (an Herb) will

kill fungus.  Try Alfalfa and Aloe Vera juice for inflamation.  I wish you

the very best, it is a hugh battle



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:25:15 -0500

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From:         Bernadette Brumfield <Bernade332@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: tinnitus



Tinitus, a ringing in the ears, can be caused from hypoglycemia, nutritional

deficiencies and chemical imbalance.  Digestive enzymes with each meal,

Alfalfa, Black Cohosh, Black Walnut to clean blood.  Stong Garlic, with high

Alycin count and  Gotu Kola.  The bowel must be clear, so colon cleanse first

and keep it clear.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:46:39 -0500

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From:         for Canyon Laurel <KKARRP@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Allergies



Hello,



I had problems with sinus infections for years.  Here in Sonoma, California

we have the mixed blessing of a temperate climate, fertile soil, the coastal

influence, so everything grows.  I am a scuba diver and a few years back made

the connection between my diving and clear sinuses.  I began at that time to

"douche" my sinuses with a warm salt water solution.  Simply get a bulb

syringe, and a mild salt water solution, bend over the sink and cleanse the

nostrils and sinuses.  This was a real blessing for me and I have had very

little problem with sinus infections for years now.  Hope it helps.



Canyon Laurel



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:50:36 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: another stage question, sort of



At 09:14 PM 2/11/96 -0500, you wrote:

>I am currently working on the other side of theatre.... I've been hanging and

>focusing lights for a couple of shows.  I'm also taking a ballet class (3

>hours a week).  I am quite unfit, and about 60 pounds heavier than I was 2

>years ago (I "got sick" with CFIDS - Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction

>Syndrome 2 years ago.  I also have Fibromyalgia).

>

>After a ballet class, other than being exhausted, I have really bad pains in

>my calves.  It lasts for hours and keeps me from sleeping.  I've also

>developed pain in my knees.  a sharp pain (as if there were little men in

>there stabbing me with knives) inside my knee, where it moves,,,, i don't

>know how quite to describe it.  Climbing up and down ladders hanging lights

>and such is not helping matters.

>

>My ballet teacher believes this to be inflamation, and I have been taking

>licorice root, which seems to have helped.  However, the pain in my legs

>seems to be helped by heat which makes me think that it's not inflammation.

>if so, would the licorice root be making my legs worse? <smile>

>any suggestions?

>

Having suffered with similar things the last 4 years, I can suggest the

following. Increase you intake of calcium to 2000-4000mg daily and use

chelated or calcium citrate ONLY.  If possible a combination calcium

magnesium supplement is best (you need the magnesium to assimilate the

calcium). Other forms of calcium can cause problems because they are not

easily assimilated and can strain the kidneys and cause constipation. Drink

lots of water.

To alleviate the pain in the knees use ice and do leg exercises to

strengthen the muscles. You may have tendonitis or torn cartilage which

takes forever to heal.  Applying a hot compress of Mullein, Lobelia and

Cayenne in vinegar can relieve the pain greatly ( I can give you the recipe

if you want it).  It will completely relax your calves and bring great

relief. You should cut back on the strenuous activity to avoid further

damage to ligaments and cartilage until you have sufficiently strengthened

your muscles to take the strain. I tried alot of things and these are the

things that help.

When you ice your knee get it really cold, till its numb.  It will help

alot. You can alternate hot and cold for even better results.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:50:38 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: tinnitus



At 11:25 PM 2/11/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Tinitus, a ringing in the ears, can be caused from hypoglycemia, nutritional

>deficiencies and chemical imbalance.  Digestive enzymes with each meal,

>Alfalfa, Black Cohosh, Black Walnut to clean blood.  Stong Garlic, with high

>Alycin count and  Gotu Kola.  The bowel must be clear, so colon cleanse first

>and keep it clear.



Tinnitus can also be caused by physical damage to the hearing mechanism. It

can sometimes be helped with accupuncture but if its too far gone I don't

think anything will help



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:50:34 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Buspar and Effexor



At 09:14 PM 2/11/96 -0500, you wrote:

>>>Always know why you

>are taking the medicines that you are taking, how you are suppose to be

>taking them, and what interact with them.  This may seem like simple

>advice, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who need to hear

>it.

>@@ i agree completely.  Whenever herbal medications are discussed, the

>statement of "don't do this yourself, go and see a doctor" keeps coming up.

> It is obviously good advice.  But there are so many people on so many

>medications, blindly taking them because their doctors told them to.  I'm not

>doctor bashing, but all the ones I've been to are just prescription writers.

> I am more likely to have questions asked about my health history by the

>folks who work in my local Health food store.



It's always good advice to have your doctor explain to you the effects and

side effects of the drugs they give you, IF THEY EVEN KNOW THEMSELVES!  I

asked one about the prescription Amitryptaline he wanted to give my 12 year

old daughter. He said it would "make her sleepy".  I asked if there were any

bad side effects and he assured me there weren't.  Well then I asked one of

my friends to look it up and she gave me a list of undesirable side effects

as long as your arm and the least damaging was sleepiness, the worst was to

destroy her liver.  I also found out he was prescribing the maximum dosage

rather than a conservative dose.

I flushed it down the toilet and took her to a Homeopath. Since then I

always ask the pharmacist--NOT the doctor for information.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:46:15 -0500

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From:         conrad@RICHTERS.COM

Organization: Richters Herbs

Subject:      Richters HerbLetter 96/02/11

Comments: To: herb-list@richters.com



-----------------------   Richters Herbletter   ------------------------

   Published by:     Richters, Canada's Herb Specialists

                     Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada

   Editor:           Conrad Richter <conrad@richters.com>



                     *** Trial issue: feedback welcome ***

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Issue ID: 96/02/11 22:30 GMT



Contents

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1. Well-known Mayan Herbalist Dies

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BELMOPAN, Belize (February 11, AP) -- Eligio Panti, a Mayan Indian who

attracted worldwide attention for his ancient healing methods using only

herbs and prayer, is dead at the age of 103.

   Mr Panti dies Feb. 4 at his hilltop hut in the tiny village of San Antonio,

in western Belize.  He had suffered a stroke three days before.

   For decades Mr Panti practised the ancient Mayan art of spiritual and

physical healing, and was generally regarded as the master of his craft.

   Thousands of people from all cultures and classes visited him in San

Antonio over the years seeking cures for all sorts of ailments, including

cancer and AIDS.

   Mr Panti was born in neighbouring Guatemala and, fleeing persecution, he

and his family moved to Belize in 1893.

   When he was 15, he married Gomercinda Tzil, who was 14.  They had one

daughter, Emilia, who died in 1962.  Tzil died in 1980.  Mr Panti never

remarried.

   Mr Panti started out working as a gatherer of chicle sap -- from which

chewing gum is made -- in the forests of Belize in 1930.  It was there he

met the famed Mayan bush doctor, Jeronimo Requena, who taught him his art.

   Mr Panti quickly made a name for himself treating supposedly incurable

people who sought his help.  He used herbs, roots, barks and vines, special

rituals and prayers.

   Rosita Arvigio, an American who moved to Belize to become one of his

apprentices, urged him to make the world aware of his skills.

   Mr Panti did, contributing hundreds of different plants to the U.S.

National Cancer Institute and the New York Botanical Garden.

   He trained many apprentices, including one of his great-grandsons, Ladis

Tzib.

   Panti even prepared for his own death with Tzib's help, re-baptizing

himself last month.

   According to Tzib, Mr Panti's last words were: "Thank you.  I am

satisfied.  I am ready to sleep now."

   Mr Panti is survived by five granddaughters and many great-grandchildren.



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 06:09:56 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: petrochemical detox process



Hello,



I was recently told of a petrochemical detox process and was wondering if

anyone else has heard of and/or used this process.



Use OmegaFlo sunflower oil.

One tsp. in mouth and swish around (DO NOT SWALLOW).  Do this for 15-20

minutes.  If experience burning in back of throat spit the oil out and start

again.  (The burning is suppose to be the petrochemicals being removed from

the system).

After scrub teeth/mouth good with soda and salt.

3x's  daily  3 weeks.



The oil is suppose to turn a "stringy white" at first because it is removing

the chemicals.  After approx. three weeks it does not turn.



Any thoughts?  Experience?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:25:50 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      another stage question, sort of - Reply



..<<  I am drinking Valerian tea by the gallon right now, to try to keep

myself together until things settle down a bit.  Can anyone reccomend anything

else?  I find it helps...but I don't always have a kettle and a teapot

handy if I go out of the house! ....



>> A friend uses "Calm Forte" and Valerian pills for anxiety.  She says

that they both work, especially the Calm Forte.  Both can be purhased at

any pharmacy/drug store.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:20:06 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: lemon balm



I have found that a mixture of equal parts of Oil Bitter Orange, and Oil

Lavender added at 1% to a veg oil carrier is very effective for herpes and

canker sores.



Robert



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:22:44 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Warts



Oils of Thuja, sassafras, or wintergreen applied undiluted, individually or

mixed whill remove warts.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:20:50 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Celery Seed Oil



Try the Essentia Oil Co 800-729-5912



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:37:01 -0500

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From:         Karen Rhoda <Itype@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: tinnitus



Ginkgo helped me when nothing else did. It does take time, however. He might

want to combine the Ginkgo with Gotu Kola and also take Red Raspberry leaves

as well. All are available in capsule form. Gotu Kola is considered a "brain

food" that improves nervous system function. It is amild sedative that

dialtes blood vessels to improve blood flow. I take the equivalent of 425mg

of a Ginkgo/Hawthorne combination 1 capsule three times daily. (I take the

hawthorne combination to help regulate blood pressure). The red raspberry

leaves are high in the essential elements sometimes missing in persons with

tinnitus. It took about 6 weeks of continuous therapy before I got results,

and once you achieve results, you must continue to take the herbs faithfully

or the tinnitus may come back just as it was before theraby was begun.



Additionally, there is some research being done with MRI to help detect the

nerve cells that cause the tinnitus and the possibility of destroying them

with a laser. this is in the future but they are investigating this

possibility.



If this hasn't all ready been done, please be sure your husband is checked

out thoroughly by an ear, nose and throat doctor to determine the cause of

the tinnitus. If it is from a retrocochlear problem, sometimes medication or

surgery is required. However if it is neurosensory hearing loss (such as I

have), then the herbs over time can sometimes be helpful.



Also, I found that white noise i.e. a fan in the background when sleeping at

night drowned out the persistent ringing in my ears and also enabled me to

sleep.



Best of luck to your husband. I do hope this information is helpful to you.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:57:48 -0500

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From:         David Campano <davecam@PRGONE.COM>

Subject:      Kitty Question!



Hi everyone! My cat has "ear mites"...constantly scratching it's ears..what

natural remedies can I use to alleviate the problem? I thank you, and so

will my cat for your replies! Dave Campano (davecam@prgone.com)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:53:23 -0500

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From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kitty Question!



Hi,

  Haven't they all had them at least twice. Plain old mineral oil will drown

the little buggers. Yhe over the counter stuff has an insecticide, but

needless to say it isn't needed. I have had as many as 27 cats at a time and

it has always worked.



CLEAN THE EARS  with q-tip. Nice and clean, down inside. Then drown the ear

canal. they will shake this all over so do it where the oil won't stain

furniture. I use patio or bathroom florr and rub the ears until I know it is

down in.

Keep cleaning twice a day until gone.

 A little oil on the skin behind the ears keeps them from drying and

scratching too much too.



Peace, Paula



>Hi everyone! My cat has "ear mites"...constantly scratching it's ears..what

>natural remedies can I use to alleviate the problem? I thank you, and so

>will my cat for your replies! Dave Campano (davecam@prgone.com)

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:32:36 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Kitty Question!



At 01:57 PM 2/12/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi everyone! My cat has "ear mites"...constantly scratching it's ears..what

>natural remedies can I use to alleviate the problem? I thank you, and so

>will my cat for your replies! Dave Campano (davecam@prgone.com)

>

Cook garlic in olive oil and place the barely warm oil in the ear and

massage gently. It works OK.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:30:00 PST

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From:         "Couvia, Susan" <SCouvia@TCHMAIL02.TCHDEN.ORG>

Subject:      Bee pollen and allergies



> told that the bee pollen works like getting shots.  The bees collect

pollen

> from many of the same things we are allergic too.



The only thing I would add to this, is if you are taking bee pollen for

this, make sure it comes from local bees! If the bees are collecting

pollen hundreds of miles from you, it might not be the same types of

pollen that you are getting reactions from locally.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:15:50 -0500

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From:         Who Areu <KMR8142@VAXA.CIS.SUNYCGCC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Sumac and that "Sour Stuff"



In my teaching, I have come across a very simple book on edible

plants.  It includes several recipes (including sumac jelly,

lemoned wood sorrel fish sauce, south of the border dandelions,

etc.), activities for kids and a short ID guide to some of the

most common wild edibles in North America.  Some of the plants

included are cattail, curly dock, red clover, wild rose and

grape, as well as that "sour stuff that looks like clover" which

is actually Wood Sorrel or "Oxalis stricta" (I love it and eat it

as often as I can) and the red Sumac berries "Rhus spp." (from

the cashew family "Anacardiaceae".



The book is entitled "Plantworks" by Karen Shanberg and Stan

Tekiela.  ISBN 0-934860-70-x.  I got mine at LLBean for 12.95 (If

you call their catalog department, they can give you the info for

ordering it, they're really nice).  It was published in 1991 by

Adventure Publications, Box 269, Cambridge MN 55008.



Hope this helps.

Peace.

Kel



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:25:23 -0500

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From:         Who Areu <KMR8142@VAXA.CIS.SUNYCGCC.EDU>

Subject:      FYI: ringworm



When I lived in Maine, I contracted a case of ringworm.  As I

couldn't afford doctor's care, I called the local clinic for any

suggestions of how to cure it myself.  I spoke with a nurse who

had cured her own 6 kids cases of it (for some reason it's common

in kids, I work with kids, so that's probably how I got it?) with

a simple method.  It got rid of mine in about 2 weeks.



Here goes:

Soak a few copper pennies in vinegar (white or cider, doesn't

matter), then apply the vinegar/penny solution to the affected

area 2 or 3 times a day.



Worked for me.  Can anyone explain why?



Thanks,

Kel



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:02:28 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Any use for Milkweed (Asclepias spp.)? - Reply



Just to underline, in no uncertain terms, the necessity of pouring boiling

water over any milkweed part ;you wish to use, and then doing it again, so

that the plant material is boiled in at least 2 changes of water.  The bitter

alkaloids in the juice are toxic.  A friend once ate a very small bite of a

pod which still retained some bitterness, and was deathly sick for a week.

 It was so bad he wanted to die.  So if any bitterness is tasted at all,

don't ingest, spit it out.  Once the bitterness is removed, it is one of the

best vegetables going.  Lambsquarters and milkweed are our family's two

favorite green vegetables.



For more information on milkweed, give me a snail-mail address and I'll send

a copy of my column from Business of Herbs.



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D. Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living

(216)932-2145



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:22:22 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: petrochemical detox process



>Hello,

>

>I was recently told of a petrochemical detox process and was wondering if

>anyone else has heard of and/or used this process.

>

>Use OmegaFlo sunflower oil.

>One tsp. in mouth and swish around (DO NOT SWALLOW).  Do this for 15-20

>minutes.  If experience burning in back of throat spit the oil out and start

>again.  (The burning is suppose to be the petrochemicals being removed from

>the system).

>After scrub teeth/mouth good with soda and salt.

>3x's  daily  3 weeks.

>

>The oil is suppose to turn a "stringy white" at first because it is removing

>the chemicals.  After approx. three weeks it does not turn.

>

>Any thoughts?  Experience?



My thoughts are that the person or company that came up with this program

lacked a basic understanding of anatomy and physiology.



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:20:03 -0700

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From:         Jane Doe <mehturt@AZSTARNET.COM>

Subject:      Anti-Candida Herbs



Which herbs are good for long term therapy for Candidiasis?  I know that

goldenseal can work, but it cannot be taken for a prolonged period of time.

My cellular immunity is defective so I will probably need to take something

for quite a long time.

Thanks.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:27:09 -0800

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From:         "Peter L. Schuerman" <plschuerman@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: FYI: ringworm

In-Reply-To:  <960212182523.cbf@vaxa.cis.sunycgcc.edu>



Copper is a fungicide.  A small amount of oxidized copper on the surface

of the pennies dissolved into the vinegar.  Applying the copper solution

poisoned the ringworm (which is actually a fungus).



Peter Schuerman

plschuerman@ucdavis.edu



On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Who Areu wrote:



> When I lived in Maine, I contracted a case of ringworm.  As I

> couldn't afford doctor's care, I called the local clinic for any

> suggestions of how to cure it myself.  I spoke with a nurse who

> had cured her own 6 kids cases of it (for some reason it's common

> in kids, I work with kids, so that's probably how I got it?) with

> a simple method.  It got rid of mine in about 2 weeks.

>

> Here goes:

> Soak a few copper pennies in vinegar (white or cider, doesn't

> matter), then apply the vinegar/penny solution to the affected

> area 2 or 3 times a day.

>

> Worked for me.  Can anyone explain why?

>

> Thanks,

> Kel

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:29:28 -0800

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From:         Kris Gammon <griztotm@PACIFICRIM.NET>

Subject:      Kitty Question!



>Hi everyone! My cat has "ear mites"...constantly scratching it's ears..what

>natural remedies can I use to alleviate the problem? I thank you, and so

>will my cat for your replies! Dave Campano (davecam@prgone.com)



Ear mites are very annoying for your cat and need to be washed out

asap. The best way is just to take your cat to the vet where her

ears can safely be washed. I've had my cats done in the past and

have not had a mites problem after the vet visit. You can use soft

pieces of cloth and swab the ears with baby oil, as well, but mites

get down very deep and I would not recommend your trying to clean them

out yourself as you could easily damage the eardrum. Whatever you do,

so NOT use anything pointed or sharp in the cats ears!



GRIZ



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:39:14 -0700

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From:         John Isaacson <johni@BUTTENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: FYI: ringworm



Here's another cure:  Cover ringworm area with pine tar (available at about

any drugstore) - cover with bandage - keep it up about a week and worm site

will begin to cure.  John Isaacson



At 06:25 PM 2/12/96 -0500, you wrote:

>When I lived in Maine, I contracted a case of ringworm.  As I

>couldn't afford doctor's care, I called the local clinic for any

>suggestions of how to cure it myself.  I spoke with a nurse who

>had cured her own 6 kids cases of it (for some reason it's common

>in kids, I work with kids, so that's probably how I got it?) with

>a simple method.  It got rid of mine in about 2 weeks.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:46:03 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Anti-Candida Herbs



At 05:20 PM 2/12/96 -0700, you wrote:

>Which herbs are good for long term therapy for Candidiasis?  I know that

>goldenseal can work, but it cannot be taken for a prolonged period of time.

>My cellular immunity is defective so I will probably need to take something

>for quite a long time.

>Thanks.

>

I take a product called Cantrol by Nature's Way.  It has Grapefruit seed

extract, Echinacea,

Pau d' Arco, and a variey of Anti-Oxidants ( A, E, C, Zinc Oxide,

Selenium-Yeast Free, & Glutathione).



I have been so pleased with this three-week program, that I have decided to

continue.



         *******************************************

          Have you thought of where you're going

                When this earthly life is past?

             Will the seed that you are sowing

                Bring a harvest that will last?

                                         - Jacobsen

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:56:45 -0700

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From:         Tommy Clonts <TCLONTS@EAC.CC.AZ.US>

Subject:      Eneenergy



Hello,

Do you guys know of any super-energising herbs? I am trying to loose weight

(i am 14, 250 lbs) and i have NO motivation or energy.  Thanks, Tom



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:10:27 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Eneenergy



At 05:56 PM 2/12/96 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello,

>Do you guys know of any super-energising herbs? I am trying to loose weight

>(i am 14, 250 lbs) and i have NO motivation or energy.  Thanks, Tom

>



Hi Tom,



For weight loss and energy, try Chickweed, Burdock Root, Kelp, Ginseng.

There is a product by Nature's Way called Herbal Slim with the above (except

Ginseng).





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:15:35 -0400

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From:         JOAN COPMAN <copman@ACC.FAU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Eneenergy

In-Reply-To:  <960212175645.2020859f@eac.cc.az.us>



On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Tommy Clonts wrote:



Hi Tom,



        "A body at rest tends to stay at rest,

         a body in motion tends to stay in motion"



There are herbs that will assist your energy levels but first things

first, GET MOVIN and start eating healthy foods such as fruits, veggies,

grains.....and cut the sugar and fat from your diet.  And if you are

really serious about feeling better, do some research for yourself.

The book stores are full of information.



Good luck and "just do it"



        JOAN



> Hello,

> Do you guys know of any super-energising herbs? I am trying to loose weight

> (i am 14, 250 lbs) and i have NO motivation or energy.  Thanks, Tom

>



                JOAN COPMAN - Community Education Secretary

        Florida Atlantic University -   Boca Raton, Florida 33431

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        E-Mail: COPMAN@ACC.FAU.EDU * RedDaisy@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:38:17 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: tinnitus



>

>Date:    Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:25:15 -0500

>From:    Bernadette Brumfield <Bernade332@AOL.COM>

>Subject: Re: tinnitus

>

>Tinitus, a ringing in the ears, can be caused from hypoglycemia, nutritional

>deficiencies and chemical imbalance.  Digestive enzymes with each meal,

>Alfalfa, Black Cohosh, Black Walnut to clean blood.  Stong Garlic, with high

>Alycin count and  Gotu Kola.  The bowel must be clear, so colon cleanse first

>and keep it clear.



Humm - I never heard that colon cleansing cures tinnitus...... seems a

little obscure to me.

Of course some people think it cures everything.....

Such certainty regarding nutritional matters is always a little suspect IMO

- they are always very dependent on the particular individuals constitution

and their current diet which is not known in this case since the original

poster did not mention it.  As far as herbs go, Ginkgo biloba is the only

commonly regarded specific in western herbalism: homeopathy  however has

dozens of different remedies for different forms of tinnitus - if it is

refractory to Ginkgo I would check the homeopathic route before irrigating

your colon .



jonathan



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:41:11 -0500

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From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: another stage question, sort of



In a message dated 96-02-11 22:06:26 EST, you write:



>the pain in my legs

>seems to be helped by heat which makes me think that it's not inflammation.



Heat will almost always make inflammatory pains feel better, temporarily.

 However, the heat does nothing to alleviate the inflammation, and,

generally, increases any swelling.  In other words...NO HEAT!



I am also curious why you are using licorice root for inflammation.  G.

glabra is primarily used for bronchial problems, and sometimes recommended

for digestive and urinary ailments.



The following are some recommended herbs for inflammation (THE HERB BOOK by

John Lust): American elder, Arnica, Balm of Gilead, Borage, Bryony, Burnett,

Cannabis, Chicory, Coltsfoot, Comfrey, Common mullein, Cucumber, Echinacea,

Fenugreek, German chamomile, Ginseng, Goldenseal, Greater pimpernel,

Gumplant, Hedge bindweed, Lobelia, Monkshood, Mugwort, Mullein, Nasturtium,

Orange mullein, Pokeweed, Quaking aspen, Sandalwood, Sarsaparilla, Slippery

elm, Solomon's seal, Tacamahac, Tansy, White pond lily, Willow, Wintergreen,

and Witch hazel.



Do try to stay away from heat, other than soaking in a warm (not hot) bath,

with an herbal infusion (I find chamomile works well for my joint pains).



Mary McKim



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:41:16 -0500

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From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kitty Question!



In a message dated 96-02-12 13:59:11 EST, you write:



>My cat has "ear mites"...constantly scratching it's ears..what

>natural remedies can I use to alleviate the problem?



>From DR PITCAIRN'S COMPLETE GUIDE TO NATURAL HEALTH FOR DOGS AND CATS:



Combine 1/2 oz olive oil and 400 IU vitamin E (from capsule) in a 1 1/2 oz

dropper bottle.  Warm mixture to body temp in warm water.  Apply one to two

drops in each ear, gently massage the ear, then let the animal shake its

head.  Clean out JUST the opening with a cotton swab.  Use this mixture for

three days, then let the ears rest for three days.



In the meantime...use one or more (in any combination) of the following

herbs: thyme, rosemary, and rue.  Grind one ounce dried or two ounces fresh

herb(s) in a mortar and pestle, food processor, or blender.  Combine with 1/2

cup olive oil in a clean jar.  Leave in warm place during the three day rest

period.  Stir or shake several times per day to help extract the essential

oils.  When complete, strain the mixture through cloth.  Put it in a one

ounce dropper bottle, and add 400 IU vitamin E (to preserve mixture and aid

in healing).  Use this mixture for treatment for the next three days.  One to

two drops per day, as above.  Cease treatment for 10 days, then resume for

three more days.  You may repeat treatment again, after 10 more days, if

necessary.



I use rosemary for my cats, and the treatment works well (better than

commercial pyrethrum solutions, on my cats).  Store left over mixture in

refrigerator.  Heat in warm water before using, after refrigeration.



I also highly recommend Dr. Pitcairn's book, for anyone with dogs and/or

cats.



Mary McKim



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:46:19 +0700

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From:         Carolyn Smith-Kizer <BOAZ@ELIXIR.ISU.EDU>

Organization: ISU College of Pharmacy

Subject:      female infertility



I have gone the clomid and parlodel route to ovulate and get my

hormone level in check, through the auspices of a medical doctor.



Are there any herbs or combinations of herbs, that can increase the

chances of pregnancy?



We are desparate!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 02:40:25 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: female infertility



In message ID <66B7563C65@elixir.isu.edu> on 2/12/96, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

wrote:



: I have gone the clomid and parlodel route to ovulate and get my

: hormone level in check, through the auspices of a medical doctor.

:

: Are there any herbs or combinations of herbs, that can increase the

: chances of pregnancy?

:

: We are desparate!



How about a diagnosis? (though I know it's more 'fun' to take drugs

first...).



Why don't you post some of your health pattern. For one thing, I bet either

you or your husband are abnormally hot at times.

--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 02:40:01 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Eneenergy



In message ID <960212175645.2020859f@eac.cc.az.us> on 2/12/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hello,

: Do you guys know of any super-energising herbs? I am trying to loose weight

: (i am 14, 250 lbs) and i have NO motivation or energy.  Thanks, Tom



Fourteen? You need to take up daily exercise, avoid caffeine, and get plenty

of rest. Slow weight loss, accompanied by gain in muscle is the only way to

safely reduce your weight. As a young man, you stand to risk a LOT by taking

stimulants. You can rapidly destroy your health balance, and disrupt your

entire adult life by taking the wrong step while you are still developing.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 02:40:17 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: another stage question, sort of



In message ID <960212204111_142469604@emout05.mail.aol.com> on 2/12/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: In a message dated 96-02-11 22:06:26 EST, you write:

:

: >the pain in my legs

: >seems to be helped by heat which makes me think that it's not

inflammation.

:

: Heat will almost always make inflammatory pains feel better, temporarily.

:  However, the heat does nothing to alleviate the inflammation, and,

: generally, increases any swelling.  In other words...NO HEAT!



Not necessarily. If the leg pain is due to Cold (a distinct possibility in

the winter!!), then heat is the natural course of action, and the problem

results not from inflammation but from inactivity.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 02:40:37 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: ? re: MAO inhibitors



In message ID <E1786ZWDWND73S*/R=FIRNVX/R=A1/U=WATTSB/@MHS> on 2/10/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Paul II

: I tried to email you privately, but it came back address unknown.  This is

: a thank you for the information on a warm diet for the 83 year old man with

: the drooling problem.  Can you mention some foods in the "warm "

: family..or, those to avoid?  He has not had any TIA's or any stroke

: history-he does seem to have developed sinus/allergy problems (here in

: Florida- very humid, lost of mold spores, etdc.).  Private email.

: Barbara

: wattsb@mail.firn.edu



Try again. For the edification of others, warm foods are foods that are warm,

that warm the body mildly, and that don't cool the body. Fruits, fruit juice,

and iced desserts all noticeably cool the body. Avoid those. Almost any

cooked food is warm in property.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:19:43 -0500

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From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Raising Blood Pressure



My blood pressure has the tendency to drop suddenly.  Is there anything out

there (other than salt) that I can use to elevate my blood pressure?  It

currently in the low-normal range.  I have increased the salt intake in my

diet, but that has not caused it to go up.



I would appreciate suggestions on things that I can use to elevate it over a

period of time, and also what i can use for sudden drops in blood pressure.



Thank you



Dara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:19:39 -0500

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From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: Kitty Question!

Comments: To: davecam@prgone.com



>>Hi everyone! My cat has "ear mites"...constantly scratching it's ears..what

natural remedies can I use to alleviate the problem? I thank you, and so

will my cat for your replies! Dave Campano (davecam@prgone.com



@@ earmites.. well, i don't know how to get rid of them,,, but i know that

cleaning your cats ears with mineral oil and a q-tip every couple of weeks

helps.  i'm a little wary of sticky tings in my cats ears, but there are

plenty of books available that show the proper procedure.



Dara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:47:00 PST

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From:         joan <Alan_Grout@SUNSHINE.NET>

Subject:      Eneenergy



Tom

I don't have any advice for you. However, I underatand that it is difficult

to lose weight. Somehow saying," just do it"  doesn't seem very helpful.  I

don't think anyone chooses to be overweight and with limited energy and you

would just do it if you could.

If you like chocolate, perhaps there is a chance you are unhappy?

Herbs  can nourish the heart...maybe Paul Iannone can help us out and make a

few suggestions which ones?  Contrary to frequent opinion,  Paul's  a pretty

sensitive guy..albeit a little rough around the edges.

Joan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:23:51 -0500

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From:         "Paul R. Sinderson" <PSinderson@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Herbal Cleansing



I just wanted some input on "herbal cleansing".

Is this a legitimate thing to try?  I've heard two theories. One is that

there are several herbs that can assist the body in removing toxins from the

cells themselves.  Others say that the only thing you can do is help the

liver perform its job more efficiently.  I tend to lean towards the latter

theory.



I've heard that Milk Thistle is an excellent liver tonic and promotes liver

regeneration.  As I was shopping for supplements, I came accross a formula

that combined Milk Thistle with Dandelion Root, Fennel Seed and Licorice

Root.  Is this a good, synergistic combo?



Thanks for any input.



Paul



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:50:05 -0500

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From:         Bernadette Brumfield <Bernade332@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Anti-Candida Herbs



Candida Albican is controlled through proper digestion.  Take digestve

enzymes to control the growth, and many other things.  Also Mathake is a good

herb to eliminate.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:14:38 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Cleansing



Another cleansing idea that my doctor told me about is the use of vinegard.

 If you take a very hot bath in water that has had vinegar added (I use

herbal vinegars, usually a combination of comfrey, thyme and sage) this will

draw the toxins out of your body.  Also I make a fruit vinegar drink.  I add

1 tablespoon to a cup of hot water along with 1 teaspoon of honeyand sip

while I'm in the tub.  I use enemas at the same time.  This draws toxins out

of the body through the urinary tract, while the vinegar draw toxins out

through the skin.  This cleansing treatment is best done at night when you

can rest afterwards.  I have written a booklet that explains the properties

of herbs for this treatment and why it is so good for a person. If anyone is

interested in it the cost is $8 PPD.



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:58:40 GMT

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From:         lettitia Derrington <lettitia1@MDX.AC.UK>

Subject:      Re: Subscriber in Heaven



I remember doing a course in celtic spirituality once, and they believed that

there are certain places were heaven met earth, like gateways. I like that idea.I know its not about herbs, but I think this list is a bit tense these days

 What I would like to know is if anyone can recomend a good book about humours

(is that the right spelling) and magic of western herbs. Basicaly the equivelentof chinese philosophy in western terms.

Cheers,

Lettitia.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:46:05 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: female infertility



At 06:46 PM 2/12/96 +0700, you wrote:

>I have gone the clomid and parlodel route to ovulate and get my

>hormone level in check, through the auspices of a medical doctor.

>

>Are there any herbs or combinations of herbs, that can increase the

>chances of pregnancy?



It depends entirely why you are not getting pregnant. Please see a

homeopathic or naturopathic doctor for the best advice.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:56:39 -0700

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From:         bruce bammes <beb8064@CC.UTAH.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Raising Blood Pressure

In-Reply-To:  <960212221942_320365957@mail04.mail.aol.com>



        Salt without extra water will not help raise blood pressure.  You

need up to 3 quarts/liters of fluid per day.  Also, you should try to

balance the sodium potassium ratio.  Sea salt or other "impure" salts

will be much better balanced.  Depending on your body weight you will

need one to two grams of salt per day to make a diffrence.

        Some people believe that licorish(sp) root will also help.



Bruce Bammes--University of Utah--USA  Disabled Rights Activist

Bruce@mustard.com   I have Wheels and a dog                     __

Bruce.Bammes@m.cc.utah.edu  CFIDS Challenger  Mech. Eng. Student |

-----------------------------------------------------------------(X)\_



On Mon, 12 Feb 1996 WrymRyder@AOL.COM wrote:



> My blood pressure has the tendency to drop suddenly.  Is there anything out

> there (other than salt) that I can use to elevate my blood pressure?  It

> currently in the low-normal range.  I have increased the salt intake in my

> diet, but that has not caused it to go up.

>

> I would appreciate suggestions on things that I can use to elevate it over a

> period of time, and also what i can use for sudden drops in blood pressure.

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:30:33 -0500

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From:         Laura Hundt <LHundt@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Hypoglacimia



  I have hypoglacimia, it has become quite a pain, I regurally cary orange

juice with me everywhere and constantly have to eat.  I am far from a weight

problem because i have a high matabolism, but this constant worry about food

makes it hard at work, school and fun. I was wondering if anyone knew of any

herbs I could take to help me, or any I should avoid to keep from agrivating

the condition.   Laura H



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:30:52 -0500

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From:         Laura Hundt <LHundt@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Costa Rica



  I am taking a trip to Costa Rica this spring through a cloud forest bio

class.  We are going to spend nine days studying the rainforests and

indigounous cultures.  I am woried though about the effects of the flight and

change in climate on my body.  I am wondering if anyone knows of any herbs

that can help my body cope with the long flight and drastic climate change.

 I am from California, so I am not going from snow to the rainforest, but it

does not get very muggy or hot where I am.   I would appreciate any

suggestions.



Also does anyone know of any herbs I should look for when I am there?????



        `    Laura H



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:01:34 -0700

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From:         Kathleen Brown <kbrown@ALPHA.SIGMA1.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hypoglacimia



Hi Laura, I've had hypoglycemia for about 25 years, and I've lived to =

tell about it!  Keeping diet, exercise, rest and cold (weather) in =

balance are the most important things that have always worked for me. If =

it's cold, for instance, my food reserves have to be replenished more =

frequently.  If I'm really tired, the symptoms manifest more quickly and =

strongly. If I'm exercising vigorously, I have to eat more often.  If =

I'm skiing, for instance, I load up my pockets with food - both cold and =

exercise are out of balance!



Many years ago I used to carry little containers of food everywhere with =

me and eat every 2 hours and it really was a pain in the neck (for me =

and everyone around me).   It was impossible to travel much.  I learned =

to read labels religiously because sugar (and milk, to which I'm =

allergic) seem to be in just about everything.  Sometimes the symptoms =

would get so bad I would feel so weak, shake, cry, feel helpless and =

disoriented.  Once, during a test for hypoglycemia, I lost =

consciousness.  I used to drink a lot of orange juice too, but I became =

allergic to it eventually and now when I drink it, my throat swells up =

and I can't swallow.=20



Eventually, over the years, I decided I didn't want to live my life as a =

fanatic about my condition and just started eating more normally.  I eat =

mostly whole grains, (oatmeal has great "staying" power), vegetables and =

fruits. I also have quite a sweet tooth but try to eat healthy-type =

sweets.  I spent several years doing macrobiotics but that, too, limits =

severely going out to eat.  I remember reading the macrobiotic guru of =

the time,  can't remember his name, who said you should do the best you =

can with your diet as much as possible but that it was still okay to =

indulge once in awhile, that it was better for the mind to not be so =

rigid and controlling.  It almost seemed that the more I agonized and =

focused on it, the worse  I became.  Nowadays, because I quit worrying =

so much about it, I can occasionally have a sweet, just so I know that I =

will shortly have a drop in sugar level and be prepared to either eat =

something that will smooth it out or live with the consequences =

(dizziness, shaking, weakness, lack of concentration).



Where I used to get the symptoms within minutes if I didn't eat every 2 =

hours, I can go for longer now (4-5 hours if necessary).  I do start to =

feel some symptoms, especially if I'm cold or tired in addition to not =

eating, but I don't panic about them like I used to.  I never did drink =

caffeine or alcohol much so that wasn't as much of a problem for me as =

regulating sweets (there was sugar in my baby formula!).  I found I =

could drink alcohol (one glass of beer or wine) occasionally if I did it =

with food.  I still can't drink (even one) on an empty stomach or the =

symptoms occur right away.  I guess somewhere along the line I decided I =

could live with the symptoms and just enjoy my life and not worry about =

it so much.  I'm 50 this year and don't think about it much.  I've tried =

many things over the years, even been under a doctor's care at times - =

when I was first diagnosed, many doctors didn't even believe it was a =

real malady!  One treatment I tried when I first started was a little =

bit of protein with a little bit of carbohydrate, like I used to do a =

little tuna on some crackers.  Then others said later that carbohydrate =

loading was better, if the carbohydrate was slow burning as opposed to =

fast burning.  In the end, I just have continued eating what seems to =

work for me - oatmeal, grains, fruits, peanut butter (that was one that =

was a big no-no years ago but I find it brings my sugar level up and it =

doesn't crash right away after like with sugar or orange juice.  One =

thing I heard about orange juice is that it's very hard on the adrenals =

because it is such concentrated sugar - it takes quite a few oranges to =

make a glass of orange juice.  I can eat an orange but not drink a glass =

of juice. =20



Laura, I think it's great to address the problem and certainly the =

symptoms are no picnic, but after pretty much a lifetime of dealing with =

it, I think mental attitude about it is probably the most important =

thing.  Good luck.=20





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:18:27 -0500

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From:         "Kathleen White (SAR)" <kwhite@VIRTU.SAR.USF.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Costa Rica

Comments: To: Laura Hundt <LHundt@AOL.COM>

In-Reply-To:  <960213153052_143229483@emout10.mail.aol.com>



laura,

I,ve been to Costa Rica several times. In fact I,ve met many people from

Calif. there. I don,t think you have any worries about a drastic change

in climate. The elevation is simular to Calif. and your flight shouldn't

be long. However, I would suggest you do as much reading on C.R. before

you make the trip, there is so much to see and do there. I am not an

expert on herbs (that is why I wanted to join this group) but I know that

there are  an enormous amount of different plant live in C.R. (this

machine won't correct, is an enormous amount) If you have any more

questions about the area I'll be happy to chat. I love C.R. and I know

you will too, If you know how to rough it.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:37:53 -0500

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From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: another stage question, sort of



>> I can suggest the

following. Increase you intake of calcium to 2000-4000mg daily and use

chelated or calcium citrate ONLY.



I am taking a combination of Calcium, magnesium, and zinc.  it says that

calcium is calcium carbonate.  ::shrug::



>> Applying a hot compress of Mullein, Lobelia and

Cayenne in vinegar can relieve the pain greatly ( I can give you the recipe

if you want it).  It will completely relax your calves and bring great

relief.



@@ yes, please <s>.



>>You should cut back on the strenuous activity to avoid further

damage to ligaments and cartilage until you have sufficiently strengthened

your muscles to take the strain



@@ unfortunately, i cannot not go to my dance class,, or to the lighting one

either... what leg exercises should i do?

thank you <smile>



Dara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:37:44 -0500

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From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: female infertility



>Are there any herbs or combinations of herbs, that can increase the

>chances of pregnancy?

>

>We are desparate!



one thing that also happens is that the more desparate you become to get

pregnant, the less likely it is to happen.  it is common for females to no

ovulate and have periods during times of stress.  relax.  i know the power of

hormones and the "biological clock" trying to steer things in a certain

direction.  but don't let it become the most important thing in all the

world....



Dara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:37:57 -0500

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From:         WrymRyder@AOL.COM

Subject:      Re: Hypoglacimia



I really don't want to be bashed for saying this. But,,, I am also

hypoglycemic.  One thing that I have been told that helps, that I have tried,

and that my mother has tried and which has helped us is Chromium Picolinate.

 I am told that it helps stabilize the insulin/bloodsugar ratio....

(it is also "supposed" to speed up metabolism and help with losing weight)

another thing i have found to help is a high protein diet.  carrying around

beef jerky or some other protein rich food helps.  i always have a bottle of

juice with me.  when my blood sugar, or whatever it is, plummets, the a

little sugar helps until i can get myself some proper food.  i've also found

the Ensure and other brands of "nutritional drinks" to help.  they have a

fairly high protein content.



I have found that some days I am fine and do not need to eat for a while, and

others I need to eat every half hour (today is one of them).

Take care



Dara



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 18:30:42 EST

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From:         MRS MARY KAY ROBERTS <DQBL22A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Incense making



I'm in the process of collecting herb recipes for essential oils,

incense, and flavorings.  Anyone out there experimented with any of

this?  Can you provide information on these topics?  Any help would

be appreciated.  Know that someone competed in A&S about 2 years ago -

 unfortunately do not know who or where.  Can you help?  I especially

need help with documentation.

Thank you in advance for your assistance.

In service,

Moire



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 01:46:23 UT

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From:         Theresa Williams <creekside_farm@MSN.COM>

Subject:      Varioceles and infertility



I have been watching with some interest the discussion on the use of herbs in

infertility.  My husband and I have begun testing not intending to take any of

the drugs, but just wanting to find out if there were structural problems.



Yesterday we got the results for him.  He has a variocele.  I don't know

enough about it except that it means that the testicles overheat which deforms

and diminishes the amount of sperm.



There is an office procedure where they can correct this.  However, the odds

only go from 15% to 55% according to the specialist he saw yesterday



Paul mentioned something about heat.  I'm only just learning about the Chinese

system of health/medicine.  My husband is in his mid-30ies, 5 or 10 pounds

overweight, eats lots of carbohydrates, little meat, little fat, is strong

although he doesn't have a consistent exercise regime, drinks no coffee, very

little sodas, but too much chocolate.



Has anyone dealt with this issue successfully?  Herbal suggestions?  I have

had him on an extensive vitamin regimen including zinc, selenium, vit c, b12,

pantothenic acid, a compound formula for males, bee pollen, vit e, a ginseng

compound, and more.



Thanks!



Theresa



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:03:35 -0500

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From:         Barbara Howser <howser@UTARLG.UTA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Buspar and Effexor

In-Reply-To:  <013.00778919.UGFP21A@prodigy.com>



On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, MS MITZI A MICELI wrote:



> To all:

>

> It amazes me that people take care to learn about herbs before taking

> them, yet unquestionably take meds prescribed by a physician without

> learning about them. A list member asked about whether the meds being

> taken were MAO inhibitors because, she wanted to take a herbal compound

> that stated an interaction with MAO inhibitors, yet the medicine Buspar

> that she asked about carries the same interaction.  People please take

> time to learn about the medicines that you are taking.  Ask your

> pharmacist for a sheet of information on all new drugs that you are

> taking.  They all have them available.  Some medicines interact with

> Over The Counter medicines and many other things.  Always know why you

> are taking the medicines that you are taking, how you are suppose to be

> taking them, and what interact with them.  This may seem like simple

> advice, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who need to hear

> it.

>

>                                 Its' not doing the things that we like to do,

> Mitzi Miceli                    but liking the things that we have to do,

> ugfp21a@prodigy.com             that make life blessed!

>



Ms. Miceli,

It amazes me that people DON'T take care to understand the sensitivities

of individuals who ask questions.  I appreciate your concern about people

taking medications prescribed by conventional medical doctors without

questioning the doctor on side effects (good or bad) and interactions.

You have presumed me to be some body who automatically took Effexor and

Buspar without hesitation. Believe me, I was at a point in my life that I

wanted to end all.  BUT in my heart I knew that I could not  bring myself

to do such a thing for many, many reasons.  I have been reading and

researching herbs because I have a deep love for growing them, using them

for culinary, medicinal and therapeutic purposes.  I still have a lot to

learn and admire & respect the many list members who share their

experience and knowledge withme . Just going into my herb garden and

soaking up the aromasssgives me great exhileration.s.

I also did not just automatically take Effexor and Buspar without praying

about it, using my expertise as a librarian to look up these two drugs in

the _Physician's Desk Reference_ and other sources.  I knew that herbs would

help clinical depression but I did not who where to go for this type of

assistance.  Also, because we are not independently wealthy, we have to

depend on insurance coverage.  As you are aware, many insurers do not

look kindly on herbal medicines.  Regarding the MAO information I

requested, a symptom of depression is forgetfulness, I said I had

misplace the information in my brain which I really did, so I had to ask

someone for help.  Many kind responses came my way and I extend my thanks

to those folks.

I am looking for safer, alternative methods of medication.  I have

already found many herbs which can help me and have already felt better ...

Besides, when I discuss herbs with my regular doctor, he either shrugs

off the questions/comments or gets very assertive about herbs being

chemicals also.  I disagree with him in a manner of speaking, but because

I still need a doctor, I listen and then do herbal research elsewhere.

Does anyone know if there are insurance companies who cover homeopaths,

herbal therapists, etc. ....

Thank you to those of you who read all the way through this message.

Ifeel better just letting off steam which had been building since reading

your email.



For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under Heaven.

Ecclesiastes 3:1



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:00:03 GMT

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From:         "Couvia,

              Susan (by way of Charlie Root <root@trader.com>)"

              <SCouvia@TCHMAIL02.TCHDEN.ORG>

Subject:      Bee pollen and allergies



> told that the bee pollen works like getting shots.  The bees collect

pollen

> from many of the same things we are allergic too.



The only thing I would add to this, is if you are taking bee pollen for

this, make sure it comes from local bees! If the bees are collecting

pollen hundreds of miles from you, it might not be the same types of

pollen that you are getting reactions from locally.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:05:23 -0500

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From:         "Paul R. Sinderson" <PSinderson@AOL.COM>



n for the group . . .I've read that Goldenseal is

especially useful for combating adult ear infections.  My question is about

the effective disage and any other Herbs that might be of benefit(I assume

Echinacea would help).  Thanks!



Paul



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:59:15 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Hi folks, I got a question on Echinacea

Comments: cc: Connie Falk <cfalk@nmsu.edu>



...and as I'm not the expert I thought I'd pass the buck to you:



>(in the medicinal herbFAQ you)

>state that roots must be from 3-year old plants. Why?  Is there any science

>to back this up? A manufacturer of herbal extracts said the same thing to

>me, and I asked why, and he said that it was important in order to get large

>enough roots. But if you can get large enough roots sooner, what difference

>does it make? I understand that according to Stephen Foster that the

>medicinal content of the roots does not differ with age. Do you know of any

>studies that do HPLC testing of roots from different locations, production

>systems, age, etc? Any help you can provide on this topic would be greatly

>appreciated.



To me it seems that if you fertilize Echinacea to get larger roots sooner

you won't get the same amount of constituents. And I'd question using only

the root - why not take the aboveground parts (provided you aren't allergic

to a Compositae or two)?



Additions to this please?



Thanks.

Henriette

--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:48:06 -0700

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From:         Sheila Sanders <sasanders@DNS.MCN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Allergies

In-Reply-To:  <960211231327_219826072@emout04.mail.aol.com>



On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Bernadette Brumfield wrote:



> Colloidal silver directly in each nostril  two or three times a day until

> relief comes and infection is healed.  Mullien for the mucous or lobilia for

> the lungs.

>



Colloidal silver in the nostril?  I was told to take it

sublingually...drops under the tongue.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 23:11:21 -0800

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From:         "Georgann K. Cunney" <curious@AIMNET.AIMNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: another stage question, sort of

In-Reply-To:  <960211232026_219831434@emout07.mail.aol.com>



I have candida.  I have had it for quite awhile, almost three years. I

have found that a diet of grains (millet and quinao) and some legumes

(black beans, pintos, lentils, and aduki), cooked green vegetables

(brocolli, collard, kale, chard and dandelion), cauliflower, cabbage,

onions, burdock, fresh parsley, raw carrots, lots of raw garlic, alittle

olive oil, seaweed and thats about it.



I take grapefruit seed extract 3x/day.  If I have any inflamation or pain

(which I haven't had for a long time now), I take golden seal and it

clears right up.



This is certainly a cave woman's diet, but when I go off of it I have

very unpleasant symptoms.  In the meznwhile I feel healthier all the time.

Sooner or later things should come back into a good balance.



If you have any questions just ask.  Right amount of sleep is very

important, along with healthy exercise, fresh air and sunshine.



Georgann



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:54:26 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Costa Rica



'Pill Curing' is a wonderful invention, but it will do next to nothing for

jet lag. It has some use for travel sickness, but jet lag is a brain

imbalance, and Pill Curing is not focused on that aspect of the system.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 07:33:54 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Varioceles and infertility



In message ID <UPMAIL02.199602140151330388@msn.com> on 2/13/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Yesterday we got the results for him.  He has a variocele.  I don't know

: enough about it except that it means that the testicles overheat

: which deforms and diminishes the amount of sperm.



Variocele is a swelling of the veins in the testicles. It is often due to

Heat, though Dampness can also bring it on.



: There is an office procedure where they can correct this.  However, the

odds

: only go from 15% to 55% according to the specialist he saw yesterday



Because the surgical process doesn't treat the cause.



: Paul mentioned something about heat.  I'm only just learning about

: the Chinese system of health/medicine.  My husband is in his

: mid-30ies, 5 or 10 pounds overweight, eats lots of carbohydrates,

: little meat, little fat, is strong although he doesn't have a

: consistent exercise regime, drinks no coffee, very little sodas, but

: too much chocolate.



Does he --feel-- hot to the touch? Did he ever use drugs? Does he have other

health problems? Is he irritable? Does he get headaches?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:41:45 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Question on Echinacea



Every combination of ingredients for teas or pills of echinacea lists the

ingredients as the roots.  Can you safety use other parts?  Has anyone done

it?



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:56:27 -0500

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From:         Dandelion Girl <oscar@VOICENET.COM>

Subject:      Gingivitis question

In-Reply-To:  <960214084144_422227441@emout04.mail.aol.com>



Hi! I have a question. What would be a good herbal treatment for

gingivitis and/or other gum-related ailments?



                              Lynda L. Hinkle

          http://www.voicenet.com/~oscar    oscar@voicenet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 09:29:35 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Paul R. Sinderson" <PSinderson@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Anti-Candida Herbs



>Which herbs are good for long term therapy for Candidiasis?  I know that

>goldenseal can work, but it cannot be taken for a prolonged period of time.

>My cellular immunity is defective so I will probably need to take something

>for quite a long time.

>Thanks.



I'm glad this has been brought up.  What are the symptoms of Candidiasis?

 I've been having on and off drainage from my sinuses that I just assumed was

Chronic Sinusitis.  Could it be yeast related?



Another thing . . .why can't Goldenseal be taken for long periods?  I've

heard that Echinacea loses it's effectiveness after a time but not

Goldenseal.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 11:44:40 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Subscriber in Heaven



In a message dated 96-02-13 12:12:29 EST, you write:



> What I would like to know is if anyone can recomend a good book about

humours

(is that the right spelling) and magic of western herbs. Basicaly the

equivelentof chinese philosophy in western terms.>>



While this may be a little wide of the mark for you, you might look up Dr.

Richard Alan Miller's books. He's an interesting study--conducts on-line

workshops about herbs, consults to businesses on the commercial growing of

herbs, periodically consults to the "X-Files," and he's involved in

alternative spirituality. He has written such books as "The Ritual and Magic

Uses of Herbs" and "The Ritual and Magical Uses of Aphrodisiacs."



You might be able to get more info from him on-line: DRRAM@AOL.COM.



Hope this helps.



--Dale--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:47:19 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Question on Echinacea

In-Reply-To:  <960214084144_422227441@emout04.mail.aol.com>



On Wed, 14 Feb 1996, Donna Hench wrote:



> Every combination of ingredients for teas or pills of echinacea lists the

> ingredients as the roots.  Can you safety use other parts?  Has anyone done

> it?



Every tea/tincture I've had lists both varieties  and both roots and flowers.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:12:18 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Question on Echinacea



I have read that all parts of the Echinacea is useful.



Peace, Paula



>Every combination of ingredients for teas or pills of echinacea lists the

>ingredients as the roots.  Can you safety use other parts?  Has anyone done

>it?

>

>donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:26:08 -0500

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From:         "Barbara D. Mileo" <Venus432@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Teas



Hello!  and Happy Valentines Day.

My son is doing a science project on herbs,  He wants to make a tea and have

the plants there to show what they look like dried and alive.  My question is

he needs a receipe that is o.k. for everyone to drink. Can anyone help? I

have scented geraniums, lemon grass, lemon verbena, some wintergreen in the

freezer, and some mints.  Any help will be much appreciated.  Barbara

Venus432@AOL.Com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:27:38 -0500

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From:         Who Areu <KMR8142@VAXA.CIS.SUNYCGCC.EDU>

Subject:      Kitty Stuff



I hope I'm posting this to interested parties, I'm still new at

this e-mail stuff and still a little confused.



I recently read that sprinkling diatomaceous earth in the cracks

and corners of your home will "dry up" lurking fleas.  As well,

soaking a cloth (nylon or such, cheap at Walmart) in oils of

eucalyptus and pennyroyal will work as an herbal flea collar.  I

would recommend using the quick release type collar if your cats

are anything like mine!



Happy V-Day

Kel



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:56:26 -0500

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From:         Kathleen Metcalf <KATGM@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Opinion



Hello group,



I have been a lurker here for almost 9 months, I have agreed and disagreed

with various opinions, have been annoyed with the "2 cents" various members

have decided they just  had to add as it takes my time to rid my mail of

complaining or opinions others just had to add, but decided mine would only

add to the cost for the people who had to pay for their e-mail, so I've just

remained quiet.  But I have to bring this to the lists attention.



Paul Iannone (sorry paul if I spelled the last name wrong) has brought this

to your attention before, but it needs said again.  For new or old members if

ask such questions about  weight, low/high blood pressure, tinnitus, etc.

 YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR WHOLE LIFESTYLE TO BECOME HEALTHY!  If you do not have

the time or inclination to become knowledgable you need to contact a

professional to give you the guidelines required.  There is no quick way to

lose weight, lower or raise your blood pressure remove the cholstrol in your

blood system.



I am not implying here the info I have recently read on ridding yourself of

ringworm was bad, in fact, if was very good info because ringworm is a virus,

similar to having a cold.  What concerns me is the info to take this or that

herb for this or that problem, when what is required is a change in what you

are eating, how you are sleeping, the physical activity or lack of in your

day to day life.



I am not "flaming" anyone here, I just feel it needed to be point out the the

people asking,  some questions needed to be directed to a professional, I

feel it is too dangerous to direct someone to a certain herb when the

complaint could be a symptom to a life-threatening condition.  Please be

advised, good health can only be obtained with a life long conditioning,

sorry no short cuts.



To the young man with a weight problem, Paul was correct in his advise,  you

need to consider lifestyle changes.  Now, I'll go back to my lurking

position, and thanks to all who put out the good advice, bring to my

attention remedies to the 'by chance problems" and the food of thought that

sends me in a direction to research out more knowledge.



blessed be

kathy metcalf  katgm@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 12:58:40 -0500

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From:         Dale Kemery <DalePK@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Varioceles and infertility

Comments: To: creekside_farm@msn.com



In a message dated 96-02-13 21:12:20 EST, you write:



>Yesterday we got the results for him.  He has a variocele.  I don't know

>enough about it except that it means that the testicles overheat which

>deforms

>and diminishes the amount of sperm.



I don't claim to be a urology expert, but I had a similar problem in my '20s.

Varicoceles, hydroceles and epididymitis (inflammation of the epidymis, the

collection of tubes at the back of the testicles) most often afflict young

men, for unknown reasons. Unless something has surfaced in recent years that

I'm not aware of (always a possibility), the causes of these problems are

unclear. The treatment is equally vague unless the problem is acute: wait

awhile and see if it goes away.



--dpk--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:02:11 -0500

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From:         Sonya Weidner <Witchme@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Herbal Pain Relievers....



Hello everyone, my name is Sonya, and I'm new here.  I had a question and I

hope you can help me.



I have a muscle disorder called fibromyalgia, and basically I suffer from

chronic muscle pain.  Because I have been on pain medication since the age of

13 for it, I've built up a strong enough immunity to these medications that

they want to give me my own lifelong prescription for Demerol with a Morphine

chaser now.  I reallllllllllly hate being on pain killers because they fog my

mind, and all they do is make me so silly I can ignore the pain for the most

part.



What I am looking for is an herbal pain reliever that will help my tendons to

relax which will relieve the pain.  So basically something to keep my tendons

from spasming all the time.



Thanks ahead of time for any suggestions!!!



Blessed Be!



sonya



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:46:35 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Opinion



In message ID <960214125624_144082675@mail02.mail.aol.com> on 2/14/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I am not implying here the info I have recently read on ridding yourself of

: ringworm was bad, in fact, if was very good info because ringworm is

: a virus, similar to having a cold.



Er, as I'm sure many will tell you, ringworm is a FUNGUS. Therefore, topical

treatments are a reasonable course of action. I do agree that herbal therapy

is secondary to lifestyle rectification--indeed, that is the fundamental

tenet of traditional Chinese healing (unlike TCM, which, as a hospital

tradition, is more concerned with later stage intervention methods).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:50:25 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Terese Stewart <TeeStewart@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: iatrogenesis



I don't have that word in my dictionary (too old I guess)



I do have these words:



iatric - pertaining to physician or medicine



genesis - origin: production; creation



So does this word point to the possiblility that doctors perpetuate the need

for doctors by over or mis-prescribing medicines which often actually do us

more harm than good? Or have I once again gotten carried away on some obscure

point?



Anyway, the real reason I am writing is that I appear to have a very tiny

black hole residing somewhere in the vicinity of my hard drive and I have

lost the original communication concerning this subject. Can Anyone email me

that file? I am particularly interested in the newsletter the information

came out of and the author of the newsletter.



As I intend to do further research concerning this study, I would appreciate

any other pertinent information.



Thanks,



Terese

TeeStewart@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:48:50 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Gingivitis question



In a message dated 96-02-14 09:21:25 EST, you write:



>What would be a good herbal treatment for

>gingivitis and/or other gum-related ailments?



From: THE HERB BOOK, by John Lust



GUMS (Mostly as a mouth wash)



Barberry                       Bennet                      Bistort

Blackberry                    Black current             Comfrey

Dogwood                      Echinacea                  English walnut

Goldenseal                   Myrrh                         Periwinkle (both)

Pokeweed                    Rhatany                     Shave grass

Spotted cranebill           Watercress                Willow (all)

Witch hazel



Hope this helps



Mare



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:49:14 -0500

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From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Question on Echinacea



In a message dated 96-02-14 09:40:50 EST, you write:



>Every combination of ingredients for teas or pills of echinacea lists the

>ingredients as the roots.  Can you safety use other parts?  Has anyone done

>it?



Hi Donna...



I have only one book that actually states parts used as 'root and whole

herb'.  The book is HOW TO BE YOUR OWN HERBAL PHARMACIST, by Linda Rector

Page, ND, Phd. BTW, I highly recommend this book.



Personally, I use the whole fresh herb, E. purpurea, straight out of the

garden, to make infusions and salves for external use.  I have also used the

whole herb for tea, when I've had nagging sore throats.



Mare



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:06:28 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Gingivitis question



I have found a combination of oil myrrh, oil peppermint, oil colove bud and

perhaps some oil chamomile mixed with goldenseal root powder, made into a

paste applied directly to irritated area is effective.  Use one drop each oil

to about a teaspoon of goldenseal rt powder.

Robert



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:18:50 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Herbal Pain Relievers....



In message ID <960214140210_322014267@emout04.mail.aol.com> on 2/14/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: What I am looking for is an herbal pain reliever that will help my

: tendons to relax which will relieve the pain.  So basically

: something to keep my tendons from spasming all the time.

:

: Thanks ahead of time for any suggestions!!!

:

:

: Blessed Be!

:

: sonya



Take up Taijiquan. Herbs aren't going to unwind years of pain drugs.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:19:01 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Varioceles and infertility



In message ID <960214125839_221995926@emout07.mail.aol.com> on 2/14/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: In a message dated 96-02-13 21:12:20 EST, you write:

:

: >Yesterday we got the results for him.  He has a variocele.  I don't know

: >enough about it except that it means that the testicles overheat which

: >deforms

: >and diminishes the amount of sperm.

:

: I don't claim to be a urology expert, but I had a similar problem in

: my '20s. Varicoceles, hydroceles and epididymitis (inflammation of

: the epidymis, the collection of tubes at the back of the testicles)

: most often afflict young men, for unknown reasons. Unless something

: has surfaced in recent years that I'm not aware of (always a

: possibility), the causes of these problems are unclear. The

: treatment is equally vague unless the problem is acute: wait awhile

: and see if it goes away.



Unknown? Depends on who you ask. I have seen several of these cases, and the

cause has always been obvious. So, to, is the treatment.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:25:42 -0500

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Paul R. Sinderson" <PSinderson@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hi folks, I got a question on Echinacea



In a message dated 96-02-14 01:12:43 EST, you write:



>To me it seems that if you fertilize Echinacea to get larger roots sooner

>you won't get the same amount of constituents. And I'd question using only

>the root - why not take the aboveground parts (provided you aren't allergic

>to a Compositae or two)?

>

>Additions to this please?



I have asked myself about the differences between the herb and the root

myself many times.  From what I understand, Roots in general have more active

and concentrated components than the herb(above ground part).  I always try

to buy the roots for certain herbs, like Goldenseal, Echinacea etc.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:06:25 -0500

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From:         Diane Allen <d_allen@FOMA.WSC.MASS.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Kitty Stuff



Hi,

When I lived in San Francisco, we had wall to wall carpeting, a dog and

2 cats and tons of fleas.  We boiled Eucalyptus leaves from a tree in

our back yard.  We all had to leave for awhile, extremely pungent, but

when we came back, no fleas, bugs, spiders, etc.  We never got them back.

We then used the boiled liquid to dye some yarn (coffee color) and some

t-shirts.



*  Diane

*  South Hadley, MA



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:21:10 +0700

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From:         Carolyn Smith-Kizer <BOAZ@ELIXIR.ISU.EDU>

Organization: ISU College of Pharmacy

Subject:      get rid of spiders



put bay leaves on top of closet shelves, in drawers, in the backs of

cupboards--Voila! no more spiders.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 16:20:20 +0700

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From:         Carolyn Smith-Kizer <BOAZ@ELIXIR.ISU.EDU>

Organization: ISU College of Pharmacy

Subject:      kittly stuff



use pennyroyal herb in a fabric tube around pet's neck to control

fleas.



sprinkle pennyroyal under couch cushions, around edges of room, under

matresses.  The fleas will leave and not come back.



Also plant by front and back door--fleas will jump off as animal

comes through the door.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:02:23 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: Question on Echinacea



When we toured the Bioforce Labs and growing fields in Switzerland they

were harvesting Echinacea. The harvest included the flowers and stems. It

was a glorious sight to see hectres of the purple flowers in bloom.



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:04:12 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Question on Echinacea



I am growing echinacea purpurea.  Can I dry the leaves and make them into

tea?



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:04:20 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Teas response



I have made tea from lemon verbana, lemon basil, geraniums leaves, rose hips,

mints and rose petals.  Make sure nothing has been sprays on the roses.  The

lemon verbana can be used alone.  I'm not sure how the plants will dry once

they've been frozen.



Another idea for kids is to have them plant and grow lemon basil.  Then after

it harvest they can make their own tea with the leaves, fresh or dried.  This

is a mild tasting herbs that kids enjoy.  Sometimes kids will try an herb

that is real pungent then they think they don't like all herbs.



If you need a few empty tea bags to fill let me know and I'll send you some.

 I buy them in bulk and use them to fill with seeds, mask ingredients and tea

samples for my classes.  If you just need 20-30 I can send them.



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 19:04:25 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Anti-flame- I.E. incense making



Someone wrote that they don't think everyone wants to hear responses when

they are directed to one person.  If a topic is interesting to one person, it

is probably interested to others (in the same newsgroup).    I like hearing

what others have available or leads they can provide.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 02:08:23 GMT

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From:         CB Leek <cleek@TERRA.NLNET.NF.CA>

Subject:      Re: Gingivitis question

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SUN.3.91.960214085453.7188A-100000@omni2>



On Wed, 14 Feb 1996 08:56:27 -0500, you wrote:



>Hi! I have a question. What would be a good herbal treatment for

>gingivitis and/or other gum-related ailments?

>                              Lynda L. Hinkle   oscar@voicenet.com

And on Wed, 14 Feb 1996 17:06:28 -0500  Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

>I have found a combination of oil myrrh, oil peppermint, oil colove bud and

>perhaps some oil chamomile mixed with goldenseal root powder, made into a

>paste applied directly to irritated area is effective.  Use one drop each oil

>to about a teaspoon of goldenseal rt powder.

The herbs suggested by Robert look to be reasonable from a dental

point of view.

However, it must always be remembered that the simplest, cheapest and

least difficult cure for gingivitis is the daily and correct use of

floss and a brush.  Toothpaste is optional.  The key is simple

mechanical cleansing of every surface of every tooth at least once

every 24 hours.  The herbs may act as good support in the initial

phases, but the oral hygiene must be the basis for the cure and its

maintenance.

For other 'gum ailments', if you are referring to periodontitis, that

is gingivitis carried to the next level.  Back to oral hygiene, and

possibly a dental visit.

If you are asking about abscesses, see a dentist to discover the

cause.  It is past time for herbal treatment.  Antibiotics and other

treatments may be indicated.

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 01:53:08 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Varioceles and infertility



In message ID <9602142341.AA04670@i-2000.com> on 2/14/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >: In a message dated 96-02-13 21:12:20 EST, you write:

: >:

: >: >Yesterday we got the results for him.  He has a variocele.  I don't

know

: >: >enough about it except that it means that the testicles overheat which

: >: >deforms

: >: >and diminishes the amount of sperm.



: >Unknown? Depends on who you ask. I have seen several of these

: cases, and the >cause has always been obvious. So, to, is the treatment.

: >

: Paul, could you please explain what is the cause and what is the treatment?



I have already done so briefly earlier in the thread. It is usually one of

two common causes: --Damp Heat-- percolating downward in the Liver Channel,

which will be associated with greasy diet, stress, irritability, alcohol, and

the like OR --Depressive Liver Heat and Deficient Kidney Yin--, associated

with exhaustion, hot flashes, hypersexuality with very little ejaculate, skin

hot to the touch, depression, and moodiness.



The condition can also be due to Cold Dampness, which is associated with weak

vitality, lack of exercise, Coldness, and defective memory; and occasionally

Blood Stagnation, associated with trauma or longterm poor health.



The first two are by far the most to be suspected in this case, due to age,

and the preexisting difficulty with conceiving. Treatment is standard Chinese

healing for those conditions, available from any competant herbalist or

acupuncturist in that tradition.



The point I was making is different from the specifics of Chinese diagnosis

and healing, however: that point is that this condition is NOT mysterious,

and is indeed a part of a preexisting health pattern. That conventional

doctors don't diagnose that preexisting pattern is a shame on them. Surgery

to correct 'the problem' in fact only treats the 'branch,' leaving the 'root'

behind to cause further damage. In cases of infertility, treatment of cause

is mandatory (since the production of Essence-Seed necessary to produce life

requires optimal health), and in any case, these conditions will ruin his

life if allowed to fester.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:29:48 -0500

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From:         "Elizabeth M. Langan" <langan@DARWIN.MHMC.CWRU.EDU>

Subject:      Book verification



I have obtained a book called The A to Z Guide To Healing Herbal Remedies,

by Jason Elias, M.A.,L.Ac., and Shelagh Ryan Masline.  Published by Dell

Reference, ppb ISBN 0-440-22061-0.  Does anyone here know anything about

this book, good or bad?  I've been double checking information in it

against _The Herb Book_ by John Lust and _Rodale's Illustrated Encyclopedia

of Herbs_ and haven't found anything amiss yet, but I'd prefer a more

informed opinion.  Any comments?



--

Betsey Langan

langan@darwin.mhmc.cwru.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 21:50:11 -0500

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From:         Bernadette Brumfield <Bernade332@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Allergies



Hi Sheila, You can take it by teaspoon, sublingually, in the nostrils in the

ear.  Where ever you can reach the infection.  I  usually tell my clients

with sinus infection to use both sub and into the nostril.  With ear

 infection, directly into the ear and sublingually. Or gargle with it for

sore throat.  Bernadette



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:26:08 -0500

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From:         "Paul R. Sinderson" <PSinderson@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Question on Echinacea



In a message dated 96-02-14 09:40:53 EST, you write:



>Every combination of ingredients for teas or pills of echinacea lists the

>ingredients as the roots.  Can you safety use other parts?  Has anyone done

>it?

>

>donna



There is nothing unsafe with using the leaves, or herb, of the plant.  It's

just that the roots are stronger, more concentrated, thus more effective.



Paul S.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:26:12 -0500

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From:         "Paul R. Sinderson" <PSinderson@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Opinion



In a message dated 96-02-14 13:11:42 EST, you write:



>Paul Iannone (sorry paul if I spelled the last name wrong) has brought this

>to your attention before, but it needs said again.  For new or old members

if

>ask such questions about  weight, low/high blood pressure, tinnitus, etc.

> YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR WHOLE LIFESTYLE TO BECOME HEALTHY!  If you do not have

>the time or inclination to become knowledgable you need to contact a

>professional to give you the guidelines required.  There is no quick way to

>lose weight, lower or raise your blood pressure remove the cholstrol in your

>blood system.



I agree with you, Kathy, that our members need to understand the importance

of a "Wholistic" approach to health.  However, that is part of this Lists

purpose.  People come to this list for information and advice.  A good

proportion of these people are new to the area of Natural Medicine.  I

understand that it is frustrating for you, but go easy on those who are

learning, whether they are 90 years old or 14.



Paul S.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:41:21 -0500

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From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Question on Echinacea



In a message dated 96-02-14 19:09:30 EST, you write:



>I am growing echinacea purpurea.  Can I dry the leaves and make them into

>tea?



I do!



Mare



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:28:17 -0800

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From:         Eric Yarnell <yarnell@SCN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath

In-Reply-To:  <MAILQUEUE-101.960211164154.384@cox.nsac.ns.ca>



I am currently a fourth year medical student at one of the three accredited

naturopathic medical schools in the US, Bastyr University.  These are my

definitions:



A naturopath is someone who has graduated from one of the above three schools

or the school in Ontario, Canada having undergone a rigorous program of

study of basic and clinical sciences equivalent to that of a medical doctor

(MD) but who uses treatment agents of minimal toxicity (including

medicinal plants and plant extracts) based on principles including treating

the whole person, treating individually, prevention is critical, wellness

should be the focus, unity of mind and body, healing power of nature and

that the doctor is a teacher not a mechanic.  Naturopathic physicians who

have graduated from accredited schools and who pass their board exams

are able to be licensed in ten US states and three Canadian provinces

as physicians with varying scopes of practice.  One modality used

by some naturopaths is homeopathy.  Note that people who have "ND" degrees

from mail-order programs are not available for licensure and are not

legitimate naturopaths in my opinion.  I strongly suggest calling the

American Association of Naturopathic Physicians in Seattle, Washington

for a listing of legitimate naturopaths (206-323-7610).  Note that

naturopaths

are the only health care providers in the US explicitly licensed to

prescribe medicinal herbs and extracts of herbs (maybe acupuncturists

in some states?).



Homeopathic medicine was developed by Samuel Hahnemann in Germany in the

1700s.  IT

is one specific system of medicine based on observations he made at the time.

Among these are:

1.  Natural substances cause symptoms which mimic those of certain diseases.

2.  Giving these substances to someone with the disease may cure them ("like

cures likes").

3.  Giving very high dilutions of these substances makes them more powerful

supposedly.  Many homeopathic medicines contain none of the substance they

say they do due to the high level of dilution.

Naturopathic physicians are the only practitioners that I know of who

are specifically licensed to dispense homeopathic medicines.  However,

these are OTC products and there are many people who takes various courses

(some less legitimate than others) to become homeopaths.



Eric Yarnell



On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, J. GRAHAM wrote:



> Could some one please provide me with a clear defintion regarding

> these practises?

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:05:48 -0500

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From:         Bernadette Brumfield <Bernade332@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath



Sorry, the definition of a Naturopath Practitioners is one who supports the

body and min's natural healing systems through techniques that are considered

in harmony with natural process.  Naturopathic practitioners do not practice

invasive  treatments. They are trained however to refer individuals to other

health practitioners, when homeopathic approaches may not be the best

choices.  We treat the whole person in relationship to diets genetics etc.

and we support the prevention techniques.

I suggest that you go to a quality medical school if you want to practice

medicine, before you do harm to the entire Naturopathic practice.  We are not

orthodox medical doctors (M.D.)  nor desire to be so.   Bernadette



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 06:42:06 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath



Eric,



I know that you have invested much time and money going to an accredited

(Bastyr) school.  However, I do not feel that you should not consider those who

have mail-order degrees (or degrees from the Internet) not ND's.  The ONLY

reason that they can not be licensed in the states that the three expensive

schools are in control in is for strictly a $ reason.  (Is this a repeat of the

pharmaceutical cartel takeover in the early 40's and 50's?)  Anyway, a well

known ND (Linda Rector-Page,  author of many books including Healthy Healing

and owner of Crystal Star Products) received her ND degree by mail.  Some

correspondence courses are extremely "for real" and truly care about the

courses being completed, they are also pretty comprehensive and cover

valuable training material.



Your statement of contacting the American Association of Naturopathic

Physicians in Seattle, Washington for a listing of legitimate naturopaths in my

opinion is because the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians in

Seattle, Washington is controlled and funded by Bastyr to protect their

investment of the many thousands of dollars their students pay for Bastyr

services versus the few ( 3 - 9) thousands of dollars someone can receive a

degree by correspondence.



There are MANY GOOD ND's out there with correspondence course degrees

and experience.  (FYI, I have also met a few Bastyr soon to be grads' - three

months - that their knowledge was surprisingly limited.  I KNEW MORE than they

did.)



Look at the individual person, and not how much money their degree costs.

Experience is the best teacher.



Sherlei



At 11:28 PM 2/14/96 -0800, you wrote:

>I am currently a fourth year medical student at one of the three accredited

>naturopathic medical schools in the US, Bastyr University.  These are my

>definitions:

>

>A naturopath is someone who has graduated from one of the above three schools

>or the school in Ontario, Canada having undergone a rigorous program of

>study of basic and clinical sciences equivalent to that of a medical doctor

>(MD) but who uses treatment agents of minimal toxicity (including

>medicinal plants and plant extracts) based on principles including treating

>the whole person, treating individually, prevention is critical, wellness

>should be the focus, unity of mind and body, healing power of nature and

>that the doctor is a teacher not a mechanic.  Naturopathic physicians who

>have graduated from accredited schools and who pass their board exams

>are able to be licensed in ten US states and three Canadian provinces

>as physicians with varying scopes of practice.  One modality used

>by some naturopaths is homeopathy.  Note that people who have "ND" degrees

>from mail-order programs are not available for licensure and are not

>legitimate naturopaths in my opinion.  I strongly suggest calling the

>American Association of Naturopathic Physicians in Seattle, Washington

>for a listing of legitimate naturopaths (206-323-7610).  Note that

>naturopaths

>are the only health care providers in the US explicitly licensed to

>prescribe medicinal herbs and extracts of herbs (maybe acupuncturists

>in some states?).

>

>Homeopathic medicine was developed by Samuel Hahnemann in Germany in the

>1700s.  IT

>is one specific system of medicine based on observations he made at the time.

>Among these are:

>1.  Natural substances cause symptoms which mimic those of certain diseases.

>2.  Giving these substances to someone with the disease may cure them ("like

>cures likes").

>3.  Giving very high dilutions of these substances makes them more powerful

>supposedly.  Many homeopathic medicines contain none of the substance they

>say they do due to the high level of dilution.

>Naturopathic physicians are the only practitioners that I know of who

>are specifically licensed to dispense homeopathic medicines.  However,

>these are OTC products and there are many people who takes various courses

>(some less legitimate than others) to become homeopaths.

>

>Eric Yarnell

>

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          Have you thought of where you're going

                When this earthly life is past?

             Will the seed that you are sowing

                Bring a harvest that will last?

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:24:28 +0000

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Comments:     Authenticated sender is <wwater@micron.net>

From:         Mark Cook <wwater@MICRON.NET>

Subject:      Re: Costa Rica



Hi, first off, you're going to love CR.



A few things you need to understand about CR climate.  There are 13

distinct biological zones in CR.  San Jose is quite different than

Monteverde, which is where I suspect you will be going if you're

heading for a cloud forest.  Expect San Jose to be hot and muggy, the

cloud forest to be comfortable.  Bring a light jacket, it can get

cool at night.  Water bottle and hat are a must.  Also think about

rubber boots.  It isn't called a cloud forest for nothing.



My company, Extraordinary Expeditions, has been offering natural

history tours to CR since 1984.  Many of the trails you may be

traveling on were hacked out of the jungle by myself and clients.



I now live in Sun Valley, Idaho and I have to tell you that the

climate really affects me.  Drink lots of water.  Light color cloths

are best (not white).  Wear red and you'll attract humming birds :)



Have a great trip.



Mark Cook



I am taking a trip to Costa Rica this spring through a cloud forest bio

class.  We are going to spend nine days studying the rainforests and

indigounous cultures.  I am woried though about the effects of the flight and

change in climate on my body.  I am wondering if anyone knows of any herbs

that can help my body cope with the long flight and drastic climate change.

 I am from California, so I am not going from snow to the rainforest, but it

does not get very muggy or hot where I am.   I would appreciate any

suggestions.



Also does anyone know of any herbs I should look for when I am there?????



        `    Laura H



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:46:05 -0500

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From:         Ann Joy <ajoy@CAPECOD.NET>

Subject:      Garcinia Cambogia



Hi!

  Question regarding Garcinia Cambogia...Our local herb store owner promotes

this as a great aid while striving for weight loss...He is somewhat well

respected in our area, but I cant seem to find much written about Garcinia

in any of my herb books.

Anyone have any pros and cons regarding this?

  Also, I took a capsule apart to check the contents...( I purchased the

Garcinia at GNC, as it was on sale..The texture and color were similar to

cement!  When I ran water over it, sure looked like mud to me...Even dried

out my skin like mud...I am wondering if plain old dried dirt was put in the

capsules... (Natural BranD) is the company, distributed by GNC...

  Any help will be appreciated..

  Thanks, Ann



****************

Ann Joy

ajoy@capecod.net

****************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:40:51 -0900

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Hypoglacimia



At 03:30 PM 2/13/96 -0500, you wrote:

>  I have hypoglacimia, it has become quite a pain, I regurally cary orange

>juice with me everywhere and constantly have to eat.  I am far from a weight

>problem because i have a high matabolism, but this constant worry about food

>makes it hard at work, school and fun. I was wondering if anyone knew of any

>herbs I could take to help me, or any I should avoid to keep from agrivating

>the condition.   Laura H

>

>

I've been hypoglycaemic most of my life. It can be controlled if you avoid

simple sugars and carbohydrates. DO NOT EAT ANYTHING WITH ADDED SUGAR! It

will give you a rapid increase in insulin which will eat up all your blood

sugar.  I know of no quicker way to pass out.  Orange juice is probably not

the best choice for your first aid.  I have carried nuts with me for many

years for this purpose.  They will keep your blood sugar up longer than

orange juice. OJ is a simple sugar and should be used sparingly as are most

fruit juices.  Honey should be limited as well as molasses or any other

sugar.  Your best bet is to just not sweeten anything.  Your diet should

consist primarily of complex carbohydrates like whole grains. Avoid

processed foods. Protein should be present in modest amounts although you

may crave fat such as from meats.  Fats are very satisfying and provide long

lasting sugar balance but should be limited.

You should avoid caffiene products, guarana herb, goldenseal, ephedra or

other miscellaneous herbs that lower blood sugar. Avoid alcohol and

cigarette smoking, it can cause profound mood swings.  If you eat frequent

small meals you can be very comfortable and keep your blood sugar in control.

Use a multiple vitamin supplement that includes chromium (300mg), a good B

complex, Calcium (1500mg). An amino acid complex supplement should be taken

with meals.  Most hypoglycaemics are low in manganese, bioflavonoids,

vitamin C, vitamin E, Zinc. Other helpful supplements are Spirulina, protein

powder (free form amino acid). Pancreatin is important.

Helpful herbs are Aloe Vera, Dandelion, or Milk Thistle. A mineral complex

supplement is helpful as is Royal Jelly. Herbal bulk combinations are

helpful.  Liquid vitamin B complex or injections of same can help with

malabsorbtion.  I use a chelated vitamin supplement.

If you need more advise, just E-mail me.  I've had lots of experience with this.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 07:23:15 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath (updated)



By the way several courses by mail are also accredited schools and the

graduates are eligible to be members of the American Naturopathic Medical

Association and the American Association of Nutritional Consultants.  Many

offer

internship programs also.



(updated)



Eric,



I know that you have invested much time and money going to an "accredited"

(Bastyr) school.  However, I do not feel that you should not consider those who

have mail-order degrees (or degrees from the Internet - many universities are

starting to offer those now) not ND's.  The ONLY reason that they cannot be

licensed in the (certain) states that the three expensive schools are in

control of

is strictly a $$$ reason.  (Is this a repeat of the pharmaceutical cartel

takeover in

the early 40's and 50's?)  Anyway, a well known ND (Linda Rector-Page,  author

of many books including Healthy Healing and owner of Crystal Star Herbal

Products) received her ND degree by mail.  She also has several years

experience.  Some correspondence courses are extremely "for real" and truly

care about the courses being completed, they are also pretty comprehensive

and cover valuable training material.  They have available teachers/advisors

for

any questions, etc.  - Sounds like a learning school to me.



Your statement of contacting the American Association of Naturopathic

Physicians in Seattle, Washington for a listing of legitimate naturopaths in my

opinion is because the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians in

Seattle, Washington is controlled and funded by Bastyr to protect their  (and

their students) investment of the many thousands of dollars their students pay

for Bastyr services versus the few ( 3 - 9) thousands of dollars someone can

receive a degree by correspondence.



There are MANY GOOD ND's out there with correspondence course degrees

and experience.  (FYI, I have also met a few Bastyr soon to be grads' - three

months - and found that their knowledge was surprisingly limited.  I KNEW

MORE than they did.  A few graduates also.)



Look at the individual person, and not how much money their degree costs.

(Yale , Harvard, vs. WSU, etc.  MY degree is better than your degree

mentality)

Experience/time/wisdom is the best teacher.



At 11:28 PM 2/14/96 -0800, you wrote:

>I am currently a fourth year medical student at one of the three accredited



         *******************************************

          Have you thought of where you're going

                When this earthly life is past?

             Will the seed that you are sowing

                Bring a harvest that will last?

                                         - Jacobsen

         *******************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:51:17 -0800

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From:         Teachout <teachout@PREMIER1.NET>

Subject:      Re: Hypoglacimia



>Helpful herbs are Aloe Vera, Dandelion, or Milk Thistle. A mineral complex

>supplement is helpful as is Royal Jelly. Herbal bulk combinations are

>helpful.  Liquid vitamin B complex or injections of same can help with

>malabsorbtion.  I use a chelated vitamin supplement.

>If you need more advise, just E-mail me.  I've had lots of experience with

this.

>



Thank you for this helpful information, I will pass this on to my

mother-in-law who uses oj to help with her hypoglacimia. If she wants more

information I will email you! Thank you once again!



Debbie



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:42:55 -0400

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From:         JOAN COPMAN <COPMAN@ACC.FAU.EDU>

Subject:      Echinacea and Astragulus

Comments: cc: Reddaisy@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us



To get back to herbs, I've been taking Echinacea and Astragulus.

4 days of Ech then 4 days of Astrag for helping my immune system.

Can anyone give me any suggestions for any other herb that is

helpful to alternate with the Ech and Ast. so that I can increase

the lag time.



Thanks in advance.



                JOAN COPMAN - Community Education Secretary

        Florida Atlantic University -   Boca Raton, Florida 33431

        E-Mail: COPMAN@ACC.FAU.EDU * RedDaisy@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

              INTERNET: http://www.fau.edu/divdept/coe/joanhme.htm



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:59:41 EST

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From:         Shoba Narayan <shoba@POPMAIL.I-2000.COM>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea and Astragulus



At 01:42 PM 2/15/96 -0400, you wrote:

>To get back to herbs, I've been taking Echinacea and Astragulus.

>4 days of Ech then 4 days of Astrag for helping my immune system.

>Can anyone give me any suggestions for any other herb that is

>helpful to alternate with the Ech and Ast. so that I can increase

>the lag time.



along similar lines, is echinacea good for common cold.  i feel a cold

coming on and don't know what herbs to take to stop it.  i took a

homeopathic combination of aconite and ignatia and that made it worse.  any

remedies to prevent the common cold.



my stuffed nose and aching limbs thank you.

shoba



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:36:20 CST

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From:         Adrienne O'Barr <ASOBARR@SAMFORD.EDU>

Organization: Samford University

Subject:      Re: Echinacea and Astragulus

In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:59:41 EST from

              <shoba@POPMAIL.I-2000.COM>



What about the herbal combination of echinacea and goldenseal in the

syrup form at the 1 tsp dose?  Go ask your health food store person.



I hope this helps.



Adrienne



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 02:31:42 EST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jamey Larimer <ZCLL4@ETSU.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU>

Organization: East Tennessee State University

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath (updated)

In-Reply-To:  Message of Thu, 15 Feb 1996 07:23:15 -0800 from

              <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>



If one becomes an allopath or osteopath, can one be licensed ND through

a good correspondence school?   (To add legitimacy for mundanes ;)



Also, could someone tell me the difference between osteopathy and allopathy &

osteopathy and naturopathy.  Thanks in advance.



Rick Larimer

MD2B



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:44:58 -0500

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From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea and Astragulus



In a message dated 96-02-15 15:42:28 EST, you write:



>What about the herbal combination of echinacea and goldenseal in the

>syrup form at the 1 tsp dose?



I also use echinacea and goldenseal, in capsules.  May I just add, however

you wish to take it, make sure the label reads E. purpurea, as opposed to any

of the other echinacea family.



While on the subject of goldenseal, does anyone know of a source for the

plant.  I have been looking for it for some time.



Thanks,



Mary



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:51:19 -0500

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From:         Karen Rhoda <Itype@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea and Astragulus



I always take echinacea at the first sign of a cold or scratchy throat and my

husband and daughter have done the same for the first time this winter

seasong. for the first time on record neither my husband or i have had a cold

yet all season and my daughter only had one really bad bout of throat/ear

infection and this was only because she did not tell me she was hurting until

she couldn't swallow! My point is, it seems to be working for our family at

least.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:03:21 -0800

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From:         j higgins rosebrook <astarte@HALCYON.COM>

Subject:      Re: Allergies

In-Reply-To:  <960214215000_222482042@emout06.mail.aol.com>



There's another aspect of allergies I'd like to bring up for

consideration.  Six years ago, I was someone who really suffered with

allergies - cats, roses, wines, leaf mold, milk, alder pollen, dust, you

name it.



Six years ago, my youngest child left home and I ran away to try not

being responsible for another human for the first time in 35 years.  I

quit my job, drew out my retirement, sold or gave away everything I owned

and went to live on Crete and write.



After living that way for a while, I came back to the US and am living on

this mountaintop in another sort of situation totally different from my

previous life in financial administration at the Univ of WA.



I am happy to say that none of the things that previously gave me

allergic reactions do so any longer.



My point?  Stress - find some way to reduce the stress in your life -

exercise, meditation, yoga, quit your job, something.  It may help



Jacque



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:41:19 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea/Astragalus etc



>To get back to herbs, I've been taking Echinacea and Astragulus.

>4 days of Ech then 4 days of Astrag for helping my immune system.

>Can anyone give me any suggestions for any other herb that is

>helpful to alternate with the Ech and Ast. so that I can increase

>the lag time.

>

>Thanks in advance.



The way you describe this you apppear to have some plan.......but

it is not clear to me what it is.

 Astragalus tends to be used as a long term tonic herb

for immuno-suppression. Itt is best taken in

combination with other herbs, but those other herbs should also be tonics,

directed at the weakenesses in your system that the immuno suppression is

highlighting.

Whilst Echinaceae could conceivably  be one such herb depending on the

symptoms you have, the on-off alteration you describe does not really make

much sense.

You could take Astragalus daily for a year.  On its own, it  does not have

the capacity

to "jack up" immunity, but will do so in conjunction with eg liver

strengthening or whatever.

Perhaps one should ask why do you consider yourself immunosuppressed?



and.......



>along similar lines, is echinacea good for common cold.  i feel a cold

>coming on and don't know what herbs to take to stop it.  i took a

>homeopathic combination of aconite and ignatia and that made it worse.  any

>remedies to prevent the common cold.



There are NO herbal remedies to prevent the common cold. Echinacea

increases the numbers of some of your white blood cells. It possibly

reduces the total recovery time from a cold, but

has nothing to do with inflamed mucous membranes, catarrh, sinus headaches,

fevers, myalgias pulmonary congestion etc. Unfortunately Echinacea has fad

status among herb consuming public and actually many herb product

manufacturers are OBLIGED to include it in all sorts of formulae because it

SELLS the product.( this is factual)  Of course it is an excellent herb

with many applications but ...Common cold is not one of them.



Osha is an excellent N American herbal remedy for colds. A hot  tea made of

equal parts Yarrow, Elderflower and Mint is a standard from  british

herbalism. Bed rest is best.

Myalgia tends to suggest you are getting influenza not a simple cold. If so

try Cimicifuga.



BTW homeopathy. like herbalism requires a modicum of study to use

effectively. There are many books that simplify the symtpom pictures of

acute remedies - these are never given in combination by practising trained

homeopaths - that is yet another HFS created aberration.



and finally.....



>What about the herbal combination of echinacea and goldenseal in the

>syrup form at the 1 tsp dose?  Go ask your health food store person.



To be honest, asking HFS staff - who are often young and just over minimum

wage is usually  a waste of time. At best they will look something up in a

book, which you can do yourself. At worst they are obliged to peddle

whatever is stocked on the shelves, and given the plethora of products they

will really not be able to tell you much more than what is the current best

seller.  Ech-Goldenseal is a really expensive formulation, hardly ever used

as such by herbalists, but sells in buckets because it has a rep from the

HFS community. I guess people regard it as a "natural" Tylenol or

something.



If you want to get into treating yourself with herbs, you have to set out

to learn about them

seriously. Get some books, study them; grow some herbs and use them. Attend

talks and lectures by herbalists. Don't ask HFS staff. And don't expect too

much from this list either!



jonathan



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:17:34 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: Garcinia Cambogia



You wrote:

>  Question regarding Garcinia Cambogia...Our local herb store owner promote=

s

>this as a great aid while striving for weight loss...He is somewhat well

>respected in our area, but I cant seem to find much written about Garcinia

>in any of my herb books.

>Anyone have any pros and cons regarding this?



 From an article on herbs and weight loss in Herban Lifestyles=81, Dr.

Michelle Pouliot writes: *Garcinia cambogia, or citrin is also known as

tamarind, an East Indian condiment. It inhibits the conversion of

carbohydrates into fats, thus lowering blood cholesterol and triglycerides.

It also increases the storage of carbohydrate, as glycogen in the liver,

which cause the reaction of satiation (fullness). The low doses of Garcinia

c. available in most commercial preps are often combined with a mineral

supplement of 50 to 200 mcg of chromium which apparently potentiates its

weight loss effects. Garcinia does not appear to have any troublesome side

effects.*

Here, in Malaysia, Tamarind is a tart paste used in much of the local

cuisine, and the majority of women are slim. However, they also have

lifestyles that would make anyone shed a few pounds.



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:47:37 -0600

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From:         "Deborah J. Anderson" <andersod@STOLAF.EDU>



Note that

>naturopaths

>are the only health care providers in the US explicitly licensed to

>prescribe medicinal herbs and extracts of herbs (maybe acupuncturists

>in some states?).



The national herbalist exam isn't limited to naturopaths - Deborah



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:45:57 -0500

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From:         Who Areu <KMR8142@VAXA.CIS.SUNYCGCC.EDU>

Subject:      Spiders, Incense, Mind/Body/Spirit



First things first!  On behalf of my 8-legged friends and

myself--please do not do in the Spiders!  In a past article of

Nature magazine they wrote that if spiders became extinct, the

humans would follow within a short span of 10 years.  Spiders are

helpful and can be rather friendly and kind if you just give them

a chance.



There is a link at SUNSITE that will get you to back issues of (I

think) this disscussion group and a huge list of directions and

recipes on how to make INCENSE.  It's not far from the soap

recipes, you just have to look around.



Vicki,

I think the idea of a separate more general group is great.

Can't we just start by submitting our e-mails to one person and

then distribute among ourselves?  I'm new at this so I don't know

much about the "Net Details".  But I'm willing to help.



Thanks for everyone's time,

Kel



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:13:54 -0600

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From:         Krebbs' Ceegars <sward@FRANK.MTSU.EDU>

Subject:      Algy's Herb page



Hi everybody,

   Just wanted to tell you that I moved Algy's Herb page to a new location.

I've expanded it a lot and will continue to add more as time allows.

There are pointers at the old urls.  The new address is

   http://www.pair.com/algy/  .  This will change to

   http://www.algy.com/  once my domain name is registered.  Come visit,

sign the guestbook, check out the new bulletin board and seed exchange,

and let me know what you think.



algy



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:15:49 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea and Astragulus



The BEST formula that I have used for years is called Wellness Formula, by

Source Naturals from Scotts Valley, CA  95066.  Should be able to get at

health food stores.  Seems to knock a cold out fast if taken as directed!

Many wonderful herbs, garlic, vitamins, etc.  A little spendy but well worth

the cost.  I stock up when on sale!  :-)



At 02:59 PM 2/15/96 EST, you wrote:

>At 01:42 PM 2/15/96 -0400, you wrote:

>>To get back to herbs, I've been taking Echinacea and Astragulus.

>>4 days of Ech then 4 days of Astrag for helping my immune system.

>>Can anyone give me any suggestions for any other herb that is

>>helpful to alternate with the Ech and Ast. so that I can increase

>>the lag time.

>

>along similar lines, is echinacea good for common cold.  i feel a cold

>coming on and don't know what herbs to take to stop it.  i took a

>homeopathic combination of aconite and ignatia and that made it worse.  any

>remedies to prevent the common cold.



         *******************************************

          Have you thought of where you're going

                When this earthly life is past?

             Will the seed that you are sowing

                Bring a harvest that will last?

                                         - Jacobsen

         *******************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:38:01 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Graham White Hendon Green Party <hendongreen@GN.APC.ORG>

Subject:      Re: iatrogenesis



>iatric - pertaining to physician or medicine

>

>genesis - origin: production; creation



Iatrogenesis was a term that was either created or popularised by Ivan

Illich in "Medical Nemesis".



It means 'disease _caused_ by doctors or by medical treatment'.





Graham White

HENDON GREEN PARTY



HENDONGREEN@GN.APC.ORG

gcw3@student.open.ac.uk

gw035@mdx.ac.uk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:23:15 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Hypoglacimia



In message ID <199602151851.KAA06051@premier1.premier1.net> on 2/15/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >Helpful herbs are Aloe Vera, Dandelion, or Milk Thistle. A mineral complex

: >supplement is helpful as is Royal Jelly. Herbal bulk combinations are

: >helpful.  Liquid vitamin B complex or injections of same can help with

: >malabsorbtion.  I use a chelated vitamin supplement.

: >If you need more advise, just E-mail me.  I've had lots of experience with

: this.

: >

:

: Thank you for this helpful information, I will pass this on to my

: mother-in-law who uses oj to help with her hypoglacimia. If she wants more

: information I will email you! Thank you once again!

:

: Debbie



Hypoglycemia is a syndrome commonly associated with what Chinese healers call

weak digestion. Aloe vera is a Cold laxative...hardly the thing someone with

weak digestion needs. Dandelion is a Cold, Bitter herb, and this too is

contraindicated for this pattern. I don't know what 'herbal bulk

combinations' are, and Royal Jelly is a waste of money for such a condition.



Advise is a verb.



The use of oj to treat hypoglycemia is an approach that resolves the

temporary problem, but makes the problem worse as time goes on. Rather, tell

your mother-in-law to consume a warm diet, regular meals, no fruit or fruit

juice, and no coffee. Laxation regimes will only make her condition worse.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:46:30 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Response: garlic & skin care



ARe you putting garlic right on your face.  There are better things to use.

 For example, aloe vera get mixed with dried herbs helps condition all types

of skins.  A mixture of ground orange rinds, white clay, oatmeat mixed with

aloe and honey is great for problem skin.



If you want a couple packets of the dry mix let me know.  I'll send you my

address and if you send a SASE I'll send you a few.  The best way to clear up

skin is to clean up the inside.  Garlic taken interanlly helps since it works

as a natural anti-biotic.  I have found the vitamin A&D in combination helped

me tredendously.  Improving in diet is the major factor to skin care.

 Cutting out white flour and sugar are the first steps.  Cutting out fats is

important also.  A constant supply of vegies and fruits is also essential to

good health for body and skin.



Other natual face masks help depending on the exact skin eruption.  Anything

specific?



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:16:33 -0400

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From:         JOAN COPMAN <COPMAN@ACC.FAU.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea and Astragulus

Comments: cc: Reddaisy@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us



What about the herbal combination of echinacea and goldenseal in the

syrup form at the 1 tsp dose?



I also use echinacea and goldenseal, in capsules.  May I just add, however

you wish to take it, make sure the label reads E. purpurea, as opposed to any

of the other echinacea family.



While on the subject of goldenseal, does anyone know of a source for the

plant.  I have been looking for it for some time.



Thanks,



Mary

        Why E.purpurea?  I do recommend taking Echinacea

        at the start of a cold, etc.  But am trying to avoid

        colds and sinus infections.  I live in Florida and

        am always full of mucus this time of year.  And I

        sometimes get infections.  That's why I want to boost

        immune system.



Joan



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:32:05 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Garcinia Cambogia - Reply



>> I have seen tamarind being harvested in Sri Lanka.  It is gathered from

the seed pods of large tamarind trees.  The pods, which contain the edible

pulp, are laid out in the sun to dry.  Later, the husk from the pods is

removed and the seedy dried pulp packaged or further processed.  When rehydrated,

it is becomes a dark, almost black slurry that can be used as a condiment

or ingredient in curries or drinks.  The taste is quite pleasant, citrus-like

with a nice tang.



<<Dr. Michelle Pouliot writes: *Garcinia cambogia, or citrin is also known

as tamarind, an East Indian condiment. It inhibits the conversion of carbohydrates

into fats, thus lowering blood cholesterol and triglycerides. It also increases

the storage of fat..... Here, in Malaysia, Tamarind is a tart paste used

in much of the local cuisine, and the majority of women are slim.   However,

they also have lifestyles that would make anyone shed a few pounds.



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:39:23 EST

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From:         Shoba Narayan <shoba@POPMAIL.I-2000.COM>

Subject:      Re: Garcinia Cambogia



At 08:17 AM 2/16/96 +0800, you wrote:

>You wrote:

>>  Question regarding Garcinia Cambogia...Our local herb store owner=

 promotes

>>this as a great aid while striving for weight loss...He is somewhat well

>>respected in our area, but I cant seem to find much written about Garcinia

>>in any of my herb books.

>>Anyone have any pros and cons regarding this?

>

> From an article on herbs and weight loss in Herban Lifestyles=81, Dr.

>Michelle Pouliot writes: *Garcinia cambogia, or citrin is also known as

>tamarind, an East Indian condiment. It inhibits the conversion of

>carbohydrates into fats, thus lowering blood cholesterol and triglycerides.

>It also increases the storage of carbohydrate, as glycogen in the liver,

>which cause the reaction of satiation (fullness). The low doses of Garcinia

>c. available in most commercial preps are often combined with a mineral

>supplement of 50 to 200 mcg of chromium which apparently potentiates its

>weight loss effects. Garcinia does not appear to have any troublesome side

>effects.*

>Here, in Malaysia, Tamarind is a tart paste used in much of the local

>cuisine, and the majority of women are slim. However, they also have

>lifestyles that would make anyone shed a few pounds.

>

>Chris

>



Hi!



I read your post with interest.  I am from India, and as you say, tamarind

is a part of the Indian daily diet.  However, I stopped using it, since I

heard even though Indians have developed immunity to tamarind through

generations of use, tamarind is actually toxic.  but if, as you say, it

reduces cholesterol and triglycerides, maybe i should use it.  I switched to

using Umeboshi Plum paste for the tartness.  anybody know about umeboshi

plum's properties? anyone have any validations/dissensions for tamarind?



thanks shoba =20



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:52:10 EST

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From:         Shoba Narayan <shoba@POPMAIL.I-2000.COM>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea/Astragalus etc



>There are NO herbal remedies to prevent the common cold. Echinacea

>increases the numbers of some of your white blood cells. It possibly



jonathan,



i agree with most of what you say. a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

except, i was doing what you suggest in your last para- 'grow some herbs and

use them,' in that i was trying out homeopathy to see what it does to me.

my reasoning being, how will i know how these homeopathic remedies such as

'Coldcalm' work if i don't try it out when i have a cold.  besides, it isn't

life threatening.  anyway, i guess my little experiment failed 'cos i feel

worse. i think taking that aconite-ignatia combination brought on a cold

that perhaps could have been stopped by other measures- echinacea, OJ etc.

from what i've read on homeopathy, if the symptoms worsen after taking the

medicine, it means i've taken the wrong medicine.



as for the echinacea-goldenseal tincture that i have at home, i read that

goldenseal is not good for women who plan on getting pregnant.  that's why i

didn't take it.



Will try your Osha remedy if i can get myself to go out in this New England

cold weather to the health food store.



i am eating raw garlic every morning.  hope that helps.



Paul, since you are the Chinese medicine person, you might be interested in

knowing that i have huge red prickles at the tip of my tongue.  classic heat

in the heart symptom, right? how did a cold manifest into heat in the heart

and an upcoming canker sore on the inside right cheek.  i really messed

things up this time.



I hate colds!



shoba



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:30:27 -0500

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kitty Stuff



Diane - just checking. Did you mean that the airborne vapors of boiling

eucalyptus alone rid your carpeted environment of bugs in rugs and webs? Or

did you apply the liquid to the carpet?

carras@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 07:36:57 -0800

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From:         Sheila Foster <foster@ENGR.CSULB.EDU>

Subject:      Echinacea and Cat's Claw

In-Reply-To:  <01I18SZ9ILF6A3CI3G@acc.fau.edu>



Two questions:



1. Someone on this list mentioned earlier that echinacea loses its

   effect after time. Is this that the pills(or whatever form) lose

   their punch or that the body doesn't respond to it after a while.

   If it is the latter, is there a recommended period for taking it

   and then laying off it to counteract that effect?



2. What is Cat's Claw? I've heard that it helps the immune system, but

   know no particulars.



Thanks,



Sheila Foster



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:48:16 -0800

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Subscriber in Heaven

In-Reply-To:  <96021316584031@mdx.ac.uk>



On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, lettitia Derrington wrote:



> I remember doing a course in celtic spirituality once, and they believed that

> there are certain places were heaven met earth, like gateways. I like that idea.I know its not about herbs, but I think this list is a bit tense these days

>  What I would like to know is if anyone can recomend a good book about humours

> (is that the right spelling) and magic of western herbs. Basicaly the equivelentof chinese philosophy in western terms.

> Cheers,

> Lettitia.

>

Theres a  two volume set entitled The Energetics of Western Medicine

Also try some of the biodynamic books on nutrition, they currently work

within that framework. Herbs and Nutrition, by Maria Geuter, published by

Biodynamic Supplies Ltd. c/o 35 Park Road, London, England,NW1 6XT

I don't have an author for the energetics book but a decent bookstore

should carry it on their computer list.

             Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 08:43:53 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Response: garlic & skin care



Try this - great for dry  skin and ezcema!  It is a little work, but really

seems to work.



To 4 ounces of crushed or powdered Burdock seeds (not the root), add 2

quarts distilled water.  Boil slowly for 30 minutes, strain and reduce to

one pint.  Add 8 ounces of glycerine when cool (I use vegetable glycerine

from the health food stores, cosmetic section?).  Shake together.  Bottle

and keep in a cool place.   May be taken internally: dose for very young

children, from 5 - 10 drops in water.  Dose for adults:  One tablespoon

in a little water, 3 or 4 times a day between meals.  Children from 8 -

15 years, one teaspoon.  (I found I did not need to use this internally.)

For external application use formula undiluted or diluted with equal

parts of water.



I had a difficult time finding burdock seeds so I modified - and used a

extract called Burdock Blend from Herb Pharm in Williams, OR  97544. ( I

found this at my local health food store).  Anyway, I used 1/2 ounce

extract and mixed it with two ounces of water.  To that mixture I added

approx. one ounce vegetable glycerine.  I apply it like a moisturizer.

Works like a charm! The very next morning I saw a difference. It does

sting the first time that it is used.  Not after though. If there is pus

involved you may also add a garlic mixture to this and then apply.  I

tried garlic oil plain and did not like the smell and it really stung!

Garlic mixture: To eight ounces of expressed fresh garlic juice, add 8

ounces of glycerine and mix thoroughly.  To this add one pint of the

burdock mixture.  Saturate lint or cotton and apply to the affected

parts.  Cover with wax paper or plastic, and bandage or strap on

securely.  Change 2 or 3 times a day.  May take internally also.



You may want to check for allergies, both environmental and food.



I am not a doctor, just sharing what has finally worked for me  :-)  I

found these in a book called Advanced Treatise in Herbology

by Dr. Edward E. Shook.



Hope this helps!

Sherlei



At 08:46 AM 2/16/96 -0500, you wrote:

>ARe you putting garlic right on your face.  There are better things to use.

> For example, aloe vera get mixed with dried herbs helps condition all types

>of skins.  A mixture of ground orange rinds, white clay, oatmeat mixed with

>aloe and honey is great for problem skin.

>

>If you want a couple packets of the dry mix let me know.  I'll send you my

>address and if you send a SASE I'll send you a few.  The best way to clear up

>skin is to clean up the inside.  Garlic taken interanlly helps since it works

>as a natural anti-biotic.  I have found the vitamin A&D in combination helped

>me tredendously.  Improving in diet is the major factor to skin care.

> Cutting out white flour and sugar are the first steps.  Cutting out fats is

>important also.  A constant supply of vegies and fruits is also essential to

>good health for body and skin.



         *******************************************

          Have you thought of where you're going

                When this earthly life is past?

             Will the seed that you are sowing

                Bring a harvest that will last?

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 09:36:11 -0700

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From:         Elizabeth Williams <will2099@BLUE.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU>

Subject:      Common cold (was Re: Echinacea and Astragula)

In-Reply-To:  <9602151959.AA29210@i-2000.com>



> along similar lines, is echinacea good for common cold.  i feel a cold

> coming on and don't know what herbs to take to stop it.  i took a

> homeopathic combination of aconite and ignatia and that made it worse.  any

> remedies to prevent the common cold.



I had a nasty cold a few weeks ago and cured it in a couple of days with

a tincture of echinacea and goldenseal. Also, since the cold was mainly

in my throat, I had some zinc lozenges that I sucked on (the lady at the

herb store said it would help to keep the cold germs from multiplying in

my throat).



-Elizabeth



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:52:56 -0700

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From:         Elizabeth Williams <will2099@BLUE.UNIVNORTHCO.EDU>

Subject:      Skin care (was Re: Garlic and skin care)

In-Reply-To:  <960216084630_145763461@mail02.mail.aol.com>



> Other natual face masks help depending on the exact skin eruption.  Anything

> specific?

>

> donna



Ok...does anyone know of an herbal help for acne rosacea?



-Elizabeth



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:22:07 GMT

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From:         lettitia Derrington <lettitia1@MDX.AC.UK>

Subject:      herbal cough mixtures



Hi,

I`m doing a presentation on herbal cough mixtures soon, and was wondering

if anyone knew of any good recipies.

Cheers,

Lettitia

Lettitia1@midx.ac.uk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:58:09 -0500

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From:         Carol Resch <cresch@AWOD.COM>

Subject:      Re: Garcinia Cambogia



>Hi!

>  Question regarding Garcinia Cambogia...The texture and color were similar to

>cement!  When I ran water over it, sure looked like mud to me...Even dried

>out my skin like mud...I am wondering if plain old dried dirt was put in the

>capsules... (Natural BranD) is the company, distributed by



RE:GNC   The mud look and taste reminds me of the one and only tablet from

Genisis A Super Diet Pill, it was advertised that I took.  It was so super

it not only looked like what you describe and it smelled like cement or mud,

and tasted like it.  I took it at 11a.m. and by 4 I was flying high, by 9pm

I had multiple hives broken out on my face,eyes, mouth(outside). And I had

other complications.  I now have the 800 number for this company and wonder

if this is the same product you saw.  And has anyone else suffered from this

drug/diet pill.  I want my money back but more to the point we need to gang

up on this company and demand that this pill be suspended from sale.  Carol

cresch@awoc.com



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                            Studio & Gallery

                          515 WOODWARD BOULEVARD

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:40:29 -0600

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From:         "Deborah J. Anderson" <andersod@STOLAF.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea/Astragalus etc



>There are NO herbal remedies to prevent the common cold. Echinacea

>increases the numbers of some of your white blood cells. It possibly

>reduces the total recovery time from a cold, but

>has nothing to do with inflamed mucous membranes, catarrh, sinus headaches,

>fevers, myalgias pulmonary congestion etc.



If you're preventing a cold, you don't get these symptoms - just the very

beginning scratchy throat - as this writer indicated, you need to do it at

the first sign, not wait until you have a full-blown cold...I have found

Yinchaio to be remarkably effective at preventing colds, and have

successfully prevented them now for several years, again taking it at the

first sign of one, and continuing until the initial symptoms disappear - it

also appears to strengthen some aspects of the immune system.  By the way,

I'm now getting nearly 90 messages a day, the majority of which are from

this list - PLEASE eliminate squabbling messages, me too's, catalogues and

ads, hi's, I don't know anything about it but let me tell you my 2 cents

anyway, etc. and focus on herbs - I would hate to lose the many good

suggestions simply because there are too many other messages out there.

Thanks, and please don't reply to this!



Deborah



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:30:41 -0500

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From:         Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal cough mixtures



Make a sugar syrup maybe adding veg.glycerine for thickening.  Add 1/16oz Oil

Eucalyptus (or cajeput) and 1/8oz Oil Peppermint to quart of syrup.



To be administered by the teaspoon only.



Robert



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:32:50 GMT

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Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Garcinia Cambogia - Reply



In message ID <s1244f36.054@wo0033wp.wo.blm.gov> on 2/16/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Here, in Malaysia, Tamarind is a tart paste used

: in much of the local cuisine, and the majority of women are slim.

However,

: they also have lifestyles that would make anyone shed a few pounds.



And tamarind sauces have so much added sugar that they aren't going to help

anyone lose weight. There are TONS of overweight Indians. The issue is

affording food.



Ever look at the fat content of a pouri?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:32:43 GMT

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Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Echinacea/Astragalus etc



In message ID <9602161452.AA13687@i-2000.com> on have,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Paul, since you are the Chinese medicine person, you might be interested in

: knowing that i have huge red prickles at the tip of my tongue.  classic

heat

: in the heart symptom, right? how did a cold manifest into heat in the heart

: and an upcoming canker sore on the inside right cheek.  i really messed

: things up this time.



Prickles don't develop overnight, or at least heat in that system doesn't

develop overnight. The canker sore is probably from Cold, even though you

harbor Heat in your body generally. What usually happens in contracting a

'cold' is that the Stomach Qi collapses due to lifestyle error, which

critically weakens the Wei Qi it supports (the defensive Qi that guards the

pores). Pathogenic factor accumulates on the skin, and then when you go to

sleep (and the Wei Qi retires to the organs...why you get cold at night), it

sneaks in and sets up barracades. When you wake up, your skin is congested

with Xie Qi (pathogenic Qi), and normal circulation is blocked. This further

weakens vitality, and the battle begins.



Fiddling around with homeopathics for colds is a poor idea. Since cause is

local and KNOWN, treating the entire organism, rather than simply the

affected systems, is unwise.



Those red prickles show you aren't resting enough. Although Monday is New

Years, most people have been acting like winter was a season of vigorous

activity for months now. Now the year will begin in earnest, and there will

be little time to recoup the rest you should have taken when nature ordaned.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:18:19 GMT

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From:         CB Leek <cleek@TERRA.NLNET.NF.CA>

Subject:      Re: iatrogenesis

In-Reply-To:  <199602152138.VAA12936@gn.apc.org>



On Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:38:01 GMT, you wrote:



>Iatrogenesis was a term that was either created or popularised by Ivan

>Illich in "Medical Nemesis".

>

>It means 'disease _caused_ by doctors or by medical treatment'.



But not necessarily **deliberately**!  Mostly it's by accident.

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:27:24 CST

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From:         Adrienne O'Barr <ASOBARR@SAMFORD.EDU>

Organization: Samford University

Subject:      Re: Skin care (was Re: Garlic and skin care)

In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:58:53 -0500 from

              <davecam@PRGONE.COM>



I don't mean to be sceptical...but how do you figure garlic cured your

cat of feline leukemia?  Do you have proof from your vet?  This would

be something to get excited about if its true.  Let me know your

experience as I have a very dear kitty that I would like to keep with

me for as long as possible.



Thanks,



Adrienne



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 14:10:41 -0500

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From:         Peg Doyle <pdoyle@WARREN.MED.HARVARD.EDU>

Subject:      Two people needing help



Hi there,

Hope you have some suggestions for two members of my family:



my Mom is 75 and about to undergo what she described as by-pass surgery in her

leg.  Apparently her artery is blocked to the extent that it needs replacement.

Any thoughts, suggestions on herbal treatments in conjunction with the surgery.

She's also being treated for a staph infection in her toe which isn't healing

because of the poor circulation through her leg. She's not a diabetic, by the

way, but has a high cholesterol count and a poor vascular system all over,

including several hemmorhages in her eyes over the past few years.



My 46 yr old brother has full blown AIDS and now after a few months' treatment

with chemo for lymphoma in his lung, he now has PCP in the same lung.  Tho

testing positive more than 12 years ago, he's remained asymptomatic until last

Fall.  Any suggestions?



Thanks all for you help.

 ps, lucky me, I'm very healthy and fit and turning the big "50" next week!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:17:15 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Echinacea/Astragalus etc



In message ID <199602161859.MAA01410@nic.stolaf.edu> on 2/16/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Yinchaio to be remarkably effective at preventing colds, and have

: successfully prevented them now for several years, again taking it at the

: first sign of one, and continuing until the initial symptoms disappear - it

: also appears to strengthen some aspects of the immune system.



Both honeysuckle and forsythia have strong anti-bacterial properties, and

honeysuckle has demonstrated in vitro anti-viral effects.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 17:37:05 -0500

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From:         Grandma MettaSong <MettaSong@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Kitty Stuff



Greetings Claudette and Diane,

I was going to ask a similar question,

Did you mean that the airborne vapors of boiling

eucalyptus alone rid your carpeted environment of bugs in rugs and webs? Or

did you apply the liquid to the carpet?

After you boiled it how did you use it, or did the vapors do the trick?

Grandma



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 08:55:01 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: Garcinia Cambogia - Reply



>In message ID <s1244f36.054@wo0033wp.wo.blm.gov> on 2/16/96,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>: Here, in Malaysia, Tamarind is a tart paste used

>: in much of the local cuisine, and the majority of women are slim.

>However,

>: they also have lifestyles that would make anyone shed a few pounds.

>

>And tamarind sauces have so much added sugar that they aren't going to help

>anyone lose weight. There are TONS of overweight Indians. The issue is

>affording food.

>

>Ever look at the fat content of a pouri?

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



True. And coconut milk. (food is cheap in Malaysia and plentiful) I was

quoting the sliming properties as reported by a naturopathic physician who

was a Research Biologist before becoming an N.D. She also mentioned Ephedra

sinica and Corynanthe johimbe in the article, but ended by saying that

*there is no panecea in weight loss=8A and by far the safest goal is to

become healthy through eating a low-fat, low sugar, low alcohol, high fiber

diet, moderate water intake, and frequent exercise, as well as a positive

self-esteem and realistic body image goal.*



Paul, perhaps you could address the Indian lady's question about tamarind

toxicity?



Chris



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Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:34:12 -0600

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From:         "Deborah J. Anderson" <andersod@STOLAF.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Two people needing help



>My 46 yr old brother has full blown AIDS and now after a few months' treatment

>with chemo for lymphoma in his lung, he now has PCP in the same lung.  Tho

>testing positive more than 12 years ago, he's remained asymptomatic until last

>Fall.  Any suggestions?



Project Inform (which has an 800# in San Fransisco) is an excellent source

of information about both western and alternative treatments for AIDS - I'd

highly recommend talking to them.  They also have a newsletter on the net -

go through NIMH, get into their AIDS area, etc. - it's a bit behind on the

net, however.  They're good people to talk to about some very specific

issues with respect to AIDS, since there seem to be innumerable crises that

can and do occur over time.  I would assume that he's being treated for the

PCP...one of the ways that some have lived a long time is by combining the

latest antibiotics for whatever secondary infection they've acquired,

together with meditation, relaxation, herbs and generally healthy

lifestyles.  They've made some headway with various medications to control

the infections, fungal, bacterial or otherwise, and some consider it a

chronic illness that needs pretty intense surveillance.  This place has

good info on the kinds of things some people are trying, whether there's

any evidence of efficacy, etc., and they're open-minded.  Good luck!

Deborah



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Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 01:47:53 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Garcinia Cambogia - Reply



In message ID <v01510103ad4ad473ce30@[161.142.4.31]> on 2/16/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Paul, perhaps you could address the Indian lady's question about tamarind

: toxicity?



I could check my references, but where's an Ayurvedist when you need one?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:08:27 MST

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From:         Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

Subject:      Re: Garcinia Cambogia



>Hi!

>  Question regarding Garcinia Cambogia...Our local herb store owner promotes

>this as a great aid while striving for weight loss...He is somewhat well

>respected in our area, but I cant seem to find much written about Garcinia

>in any of my herb books.

>Anyone have any pros and cons regarding this?

>  Also, I took a capsule apart to check the contents...( I purchased the

>Garcinia at GNC, as it was on sale..The texture and color were similar to

>cement!  When I ran water over it, sure looked like mud to me...Even dried

>out my skin like mud...I am wondering if plain old dried dirt was put in the

>capsules... (Natural BranD) is the company, distributed by GNC...

>  Any help will be appreciated..

>  Thanks, Ann



Gamboge is an obscure former drug plant that was classed as a Drastic Cathartic.



In other words, it would be expected, at a full dose, to induce "copious

watery evacuations, accompanied by intense griping".  Restated, it was

expected to induce diarrhea.  It is classed as a Drastic Purgative in

veterinary medicine.



This sounds like a VERY heavy-handed approach to weight loss, if indeed the

product contains a moderately active dose of Gamboge Gum.  To avoid serious

gastrointestinal distress, it was generally prepared with potassium

bitartrate or potassium sulphate.  Perhaps this explains its peculiar

physical nature.



In my opinion, unless it has been very cleverly employed in some new and

very sophisticated formulation that differs markedly from its traditional

use, it ranks as serious bad shit.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 20:26:25 -0800

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From:         "Susan L. Nielsen" <snielsen@EDNET1.OSL.OR.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Garcinia Cambogia



Michael Moore says:

>Gamboge is an obscure former drug plant that was classed as a Drastic

>Cathartic.



And causes me to wonder -- this is in no way intended as a

frivolous query, though somewhat off-topic -- is Garcinia

Cambogia also the source of the artist's pigment, Gamboge?

It is a yellow pigment, with a tendency toward the green.

Anyone know?



Susan



--

Susan Nielsen, Shambles Workshops      |"...Gently down the

PO Box 16571, Portland, OR 97216, USA  |stream..."

snielsen@orednet.org                   |           -- Anon.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 21:28:47 MST

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From:         Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea and Astragulus



>In a message dated 96-02-15 15:42:28 EST, you write:

>

>>What about the herbal combination of echinacea and goldenseal in the

>>syrup form at the 1 tsp dose?

>

>I also use echinacea and goldenseal, in capsules.  May I just add, however

>you wish to take it, make sure the label reads E. purpurea, as opposed to any

>of the other echinacea family.



Why on earth would you want to state that it must be E. purpurea??  If

anything, recent information points to E. purpurea being AS USEFUL as the

other Echinaceas, since it has been Conventional Wisdom for 100 years that

E. purpurea was possibly the LEAST effective member of the genus.



By the way, I have gathered and used SIX species of Echinacea (and STILL

consider E. purpurea to be my least favorite Echinacea); you can see

photographs of E. pallida, E. purpurea, E. angustifolia. E. tennesiensis

and E atrorubens on my web site.



>While on the subject of goldenseal, does anyone know of a source for the

>plant.  I have been looking for it for some time.



Good idea...the condition of Golden Seal is DISASTROUS these days.  Most of

what is on the market is being illegally poached from the grimly diminished

wild populations, since the floods and heavy precipitation of the last

couple of years has ruined a large part of the Golden Seal that was in

cultivation.



Golden Seal and Echinacea preparations are the BEST selling herb formulas

over the last several years, with every product line brainlessly adding to

the problem by HAVING to include another one in THEIR product

line...meanwhile the plants are disappearing from the wild at an

ever-quickening pace to feed our nitwit lemming marketing fads.



Sorry...I am NOT down on wildcrafting...I have done it for almost 30 years,

and taught it for over 20 years...but EVERY GODDAMN STAND of Golden Seal

that I coppiced for years in the Missouri and Arkansas Ozarks (I use

primarily the secondary leaf for fresh plant tincturing, and rarely gather

roots unless to transplant) has been wiped out in the last four

years...three years ago I found perhaps a dozen plants that still survived

in SEVEN localities in SIX counties in TWO states...there had been

thousands the year before.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:09:44 -0500

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From:         Michael Manning <Percival10@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Goldenseal



I am a pharmacy student trying to do a paper on goldenseal but I have been

unable to get much information on it.  If anyone has any ideas or knows of

good sources of information on this plant I would be very interested to hear

from you, thanks.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 06:37:03 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Garcinia Cambogia



In message ID <199602170426.AA15515@ednet1.osl.or.gov> on 2/16/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Michael Moore says:

: >Gamboge is an obscure former drug plant that was classed as a Drastic

: >Cathartic.

:

: And causes me to wonder -- this is in no way intended as a

: frivolous query, though somewhat off-topic -- is Garcinia

: Cambogia also the source of the artist's pigment, Gamboge?

: It is a yellow pigment, with a tendency toward the green.

: Anyone know?



Gambogia (Gamboge) has been found in the homeopathic pharmacopeia since 1843.

That hoary tome lists the name Garcinia as coming from Garcin, an 'oriental

traveler,'  and Gambogia being a derivation from a province in Cambodia. It

was previously known as Catharticum aureum, Garcinia hanburii, G. morella,

var. pedicellata, Gummi cambogia, G. gutti, G. victoria, Gutta gamba, and

Hebradendron gambogioides.



It is hardly known even as a homeopathic, though I am aware of one stunning

single-dose cure (in a patient where all else has failed) of terminal colitis

cured by George Vithoulkas in Northern California using this most obscure of

remedies. I believe "Why hasn't anyone thought of gambogia?" was the phrase.

Why indeed?



My Websters says gamboge is a pigment and cathartic, so, yes..



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 04:25:25 -0500

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From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea and Astragulus



In a message dated 96-02-16 09:37:06 EST, you write:



> Why E.purpurea?



If you can get past the colloquialisms, this should help...



"...A lot of media attention has been given to E angustifolia, particulary in

health food and herb industry publications.  But to me, as a scientist who

knows his herbs, much of that is just old-fashioned marketing hype.  If I

were a gambling man (which I'm not), I'd lay you 10-to-1 odds on the other

variety which you seldom hear much about: E purpurea.  That's where the smart

money would be placed if this were a race horse.



Granted that both echinaceas can 'kick-start' exhausted immune systems which

might never finish a motorcross race otherwise.  But starting something is

one thing, and staying with it is another. E angustifolia might rev up your

lymph nodes a notch or two, but E purpurea is guaranteed to remain with the

action until the contest with infection is finally won.



Think of the immune system like your own private army, navy, air force,

marine corps, and national and coast guards all rolled up into one.  That's

how I describe it in my latest release, DOUBLE THE POWER OF YOUR IMMUNE

SYSTEM.  This front-line defense system against infectious diseases is made

up of youradenoids, tonsils, thymus, lymph nodes, spleen, Peyer's patches (on

the small intestine), lymphatic vessels, appendix, and bone marrow.



What E purpurea does is to rearm these with the weapons they need for the

battles of health ahead.  The herb helps to sweep dead cells and other debris

through the channels of the lymphatic system, and dispatches white blood

cells to fight infection.  It redoubles the power of the lymph nodes to

filter broken-down material within the body.  The production of lymphocytes

and macrophages is escalated when E purpurea is added to the system on a

regular basis.



So how much echinacea should you be taking?  First read the bottle label

carefully: if it doesn't say E purpurea, find a brand that does.  Then take 3

capsules every afternoon with lunch or between 11 am and 1:30 pm, when it

seems to work the best.  Figure on 15 drops of the fluid extract or a cup of

the tea."



                                         Dr. John Heinerman, HEALING POWER OF

HERBS



Mary



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 04:25:30 -0500

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From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Skin care (was Re: Garlic and skin care)



In a message dated 96-02-16 13:50:40 EST, you write:



>Ok...does anyone know of an herbal help for acne rosacea?



Here are two formulas I found...can't recommend either personally, since I've

never used them.  I have used other formulas in the same book, and have had

good success with them.

                                    I

Witch grass root                              Ground Ivy

Elecampane root                              Elder leaves and flowers

Juniper berries



Mix in equal parts. Steep 1 tsp in 1/2 cup boiling-hot water. Take 1/2 to 1

cup a day, unsweetened, in mouthful doses. Take daily over an extended

period.



                                     II

Black elder leaves [1 part]                  English walnut leaves [1 part]

Pansy [1 part]                                   Speedwell [2 parts]



Steep 1 tsp in 1/2 cup boiling water.  Take 1 to 1 1/2 cups a day,

unsweetened, in mouthful doses.



Hope this helps.



Mare



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 07:20:19 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food



I just read about called "The Delightful Delicious Daylily: Recipes and

More,, by Peter Gail.  Has anyone read this or know anything about the uses

of daylilies and other edible plants. Last year I planted daylilies and

calendula for consuming purposes.  This year will be the first to actually

use them.



Any expericences or ideas?  I'll be ordered the book soon and will let you

know how it is.



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:24:18 -0500

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From:         Paul Bernier <pbernier@ESCAPE.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal cough mixtures



>Hi,

>I`m doing a presentation on herbal cough mixtures soon, and was wondering

>if anyone knew of any good recipies.

>Cheers,

>Lettitia

>Lettitia1@midx.ac.uk

>

>

I always use just plain lemon juice and honey. Some add glycerine as well; I

never have. If you are a drinking person a bit of brandy will help,

especially if you mix this with hot water and go to bed to sweat it out.

Otherwise, use it by the teaspoonful.

Paul Bernier

(pbernier@escape.com)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:40:06 -0500

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From:         Paul Bernier <pbernier@ESCAPE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food



>I just read about called "The Delightful Delicious Daylily: Recipes and

>More,, by Peter Gail.  Has anyone read this or know anything about the uses

>of daylilies and other edible plants. Last year I planted daylilies and

>calendula for consuming purposes.  This year will be the first to actually

>use them.

>

>Any expericences or ideas?  I'll be ordered the book soon and will let you

>know how it is.

>

>donna



I've eaten them over the past twenty-five years, and they are delicious.

They taste mild; no one should be put off by them. Treat them like green

beans (though they don't take as long to cook). I've even put them in sukiyaki.

Paul Bernier

(pbernier@escape.com)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 14:27:27 -0500

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From:         "Paul F. Byers" <KAByers@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Sore Throats



I am new to This List and to Herbs in general.  My problem is that I can't

seem to get rid of a soar throat to the point after a day at work I lose my

voice all together.  The only thing I have found that helps at all is lemon

mixed in water.  If anyone has a suggestion please reply.



thanks



PFB



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 14:27:44 -0500

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From:         "Timothy P. Ebel" <Herblburbl@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: herbal cough mixtures



Hi,



This is a remedy for dry, irritant, or nervous coughs.  Combine the

ingredients in a stainless steel pot:  3 cups of water, one half of a cup of

whiskey and one half of a cup of blackstrap molasses.  Bring the mixture to a

boil.  Reduce the heat to the lowest setting.  Then add 16 Tbs or 1 cup of

cut, dried wild cherry bark.  Stir with wooden ladle, cover and let simmer

for about 25 minutes.  The water will evaporate a bit, leaving the mixture

slightly thick in consistency.  Stir occasionally, then let steep for about

15 minutes.  Finally, strian through a coarse strainer into a clean fruit jar

or bottle.  Store the syrup in a cool dry place.  Take 2 or 3 Tbs several

times a day to control a bad cough caused by asthma, bronchitis, emphysema,

influenza or even cigarette smoking. Some other herbs for cough are:

Marshallow, acts as a demulcent and expectorant; soothes inflamed respiratory

mucous membranes; Hyssop, acts as a warming, expectorant, antispasmodic,

useful for thin watery phlegm and coughs associated with bronchitis; Sang Bai

Pi, acts as a cooling expectorant, antitussive, good for "hot"conditions; and

Anise, acts as a relaxing expectorant, antiseptic and carminative, good for

irritant dry coughs and bronchial infections.  Hpoe you can use some of this

info.



Tim



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 14:40:54 -0500

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From:         "Timothy P. Ebel" <Herblburbl@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Goldenseal



Hi Michael,



Here are some good books that offer some info on Goldenseal: "The Complete

Medicinal Herbal" wriiten by Penelope Ody, forwarded by Mark Blumenthal,

Executive Director of the American Botanical Council.  Copyright 1993 Dorling

Kindersley Limited, London.  The other is "Healing Power of Herbs" by Dr.

John Heinerman, Copyright 1995 by Globe Communications Corp., Fl.  Hope some

of these references help you.



Tim



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 14:45:27 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Daylily



Paul (eater of daylilies):  To eat cooked daylilies do I just pick the flower

head, wash, pull out the insides then cook with a little water for a few

minutes?



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 15:08:37 -0500

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From:         Laura Hundt <LHundt@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Goldenseal



In a message dated 96-02-17 00:27:39 EST, you write:



>I am a pharmacy student trying to do a paper on goldenseal but I have been

>unable to get much information on it.  If anyone has any ideas or knows of

>good sources of information on this plant I would be very interested to hear

>from you, thanks.



    Goldenseal root has a long history of use among native americans.  The

Cherokees, for example used it for sore eyes, mouth ulsers, tuberculosis, and

edema.  They also mixed it with bear grease for use as an insect repellent.

 Settlers, too, learned of its antiseptic and wound healing properties, and

it was later included in a commercial tonic for gastric ailments.

    Today the herb is relitively rare and expensive, the result of both

overzelous harvesting and drought.  While Goldenseal does not have the

following that it used to, it is still recomended for some disorders.  For

instance, goldenseal root is reported to clense the liver and bloodas well as

to restore digestive functions, and so is sometimes prescribed to alcoholics.

 In addition, in some circles it is a popular remedy for cols and flu.  The

tea, which is extremely bitter, is commonly recomended for mouth sores,

including cracked, bleeding lips and cankers.  When used as an eyewash, the

tea may soothe the itchiness of certain alergies.  In fact, a popular

commercial eyedrop intended to reduse eye irritation contains berbedine, a

major alkaloid of goldenseal.  It works by constricting blood vessles in the

eyes.

     The responsable use of Goldenseal is considered safe in reasonable

amounts.  Though there is little real evedence of adverse reactions, some

herbalists caution against the use of the herb durring pregnancy, as it may

cause uterine contractions.

     REGULATORY STATUS....

        US:  Goldenseal was fomerly listed as official in the pharmacopeia of

the United States from 1830-1840, and again from 1865-1936.  It currantly has

no regulitory status.

        UK:   General Sales list

        Canada:  Aproved as an over the counter drug

        France:  "French Pharmacopoeia"

        Germany:   Not Yet Commision E approved.



    Hope this was of some help..... Laura H



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Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 20:32:02 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Response: garlic & skin care



In message ID <960217143028_224564280@emout08.mail.aol.com> on 2/17/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: My wife has extremly bad acne in places,  I was wondering if this would

help

: clear it up.



What places? Chinese Qi-Channel theory tells you alot about WHY acne is

occuring (based on location of the outbreak). As with any chronic skin

affliction, care should be taken not to simply silence the messenger.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:17:12 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea and Astragulus



At 09:28 PM 2/16/96 MST, you wrote:

>>While on the subject of goldenseal, does anyone know of a source for the

>>plant.  I have been looking for it for some time.

>

>Good idea...the condition of Golden Seal is DISASTROUS these days.  Most of

>what is on the market is being illegally poached from the grimly diminished

>wild populations, since the floods and heavy precipitation of the last

>couple of years has ruined a large part of the Golden Seal that was in

>cultivation.

>

>Golden Seal and Echinacea preparations are the BEST selling herb formulas

>over the last several years, with every product line brainlessly adding to

>the problem by HAVING to include another one in THEIR product

>line...meanwhile the plants are disappearing from the wild at an

>ever-quickening pace to feed our nitwit lemming marketing fads.



There are some other plants that contain berberine, an active constituent of

Goldenseal.  I use them regularly in place of Goldenseal. They are

Goldthread  and Oregon Grape, roots of both. Goldthread is very common in my

area and it is a small prolific plant.  It is a very potent medicinal plant

and is good for maybe most of the things one would use Goldenseal for.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:17:07 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Hypoglacimia



At 08:23 PM 2/15/96 GMT, you wrote:

>In message ID <199602151851.KAA06051@premier1.premier1.net> on 2/15/96,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>: >Helpful herbs are Aloe Vera, Dandelion, or Milk Thistle. A mineral complex

>: >supplement is helpful as is Royal Jelly. Herbal bulk combinations are

>: >helpful.  Liquid vitamin B complex or injections of same can help with

>: >malabsorbtion.  I use a chelated vitamin supplement.

>: >If you need more advise, just E-mail me.  I've had lots of experience with

>: this.

>: >

>:

>: Thank you for this helpful information, I will pass this on to my

>: mother-in-law who uses oj to help with her hypoglacimia. If she wants more

>: information I will email you! Thank you once again!

>:

>: Debbie

>

>Hypoglycemia is a syndrome commonly associated with what Chinese healers call

>weak digestion. Aloe vera is a Cold laxative...hardly the thing someone with

>weak digestion needs. Dandelion is a Cold, Bitter herb, and this too is

>contraindicated for this pattern. I don't know what 'herbal bulk

>combinations' are, and Royal Jelly is a waste of money for such a condition.

>

>Advise is a verb.

>

>The use of oj to treat hypoglycemia is an approach that resolves the

>temporary problem, but makes the problem worse as time goes on. Rather, tell

>your mother-in-law to consume a warm diet, regular meals, no fruit or fruit

>juice, and no coffee. Laxation regimes will only make her condition worse.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--

There will always be disagreement between Eastern and Western approaches to

natural healing.  The above was recommended to me when I was treated by a

wholistic doctor trained in Germany.  I won't argue with Paul. He is very

knowledgeable.  However, there is more than one way to "skin a cat" as the

saying goes.  Shaman's used to recommend drinking ones own urine for fixing

many things (Yuck!). Some may still.  There are many paths open to

knowledge. It would be great if we could find them all.  BTW, pardon my

spelling.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 17:23:51 -0400

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From:         JOAN COPMAN <copman@ACC.FAU.EDU>

Subject:      MUCUS

Comments: cc: Joan Copman <RedDaisy@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>

In-Reply-To:  <96021713242108@aurora.liunet.edu>



Since I moved to South Florida from Philadelphis 8 years ago I have mucus

problems from December thru March, the best time of the year.  It's

comfortable, cooler, dryer (less humidity) and clear.  As soon as the

temperature drops below 68 degree my nose gets stuffy and

I'm full of mucus, especially when I wake up.



I work in an environment that is air conditioned all year round

except during cold snaps in the winter months..

I discontinued eating dairy products about 6 years ago but it

doesn't make any difference.



Are there any herbal remedies to help this problem?

Thanks,  Joan



                JOAN COPMAN - Community Education Secretary

        Florida Atlantic University -   Boca Raton, Florida 33431

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:43:25 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Response: garlic & skin care



In a message dated 96-02-17 14:32:01 EST, you write:



In response to the facial mask, here is the recipe: Peel a large clean orange

of its orange skin only, not the white part.  Cut into little pieces and dry.

 When completely dry put into a blender or food processer and grind until it

looks like sand.  Add 1 teaspoon of white clay and 1 teaspoon of dried sage.

 Keep this as your base for the mask.  To use- Mix together 1 tablespoon of

the mix with 1 teaspoon of honey and 1 teaspoon of aloe vera gel.  Let set

for 30 minutes, put onto skin and leave for 20-30 minutes before rinsing off.

 If you want to try it before you make it, send me a SASE and I'll send you a

packet.  Donna Hench, 6972 Criders Road, Mars, PA  16046.



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:34:32 +0800

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From:         chris utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food



Peter's books on Daylilys, Dandelions etc. are excellent resourses. But,

how can anyone bring themselves to eat a flower as lovely as Hemerocallis

unless they have nothing else to eat?



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:08:35 -0600

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From:         Janet Brunner <wajabrun@WIN.BRIGHT.NET>

Subject:      parasites



Hi all,

        Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions for getting rid of

parasites?  My husband has had 2 large rash "patches" for quite some time

now.  We have tried numerous things to get rid of them with no luck.  It was

suggested that he may have parasites.  Any suggestions at all would be

greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Janet

wajabrun@win.bright.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 16:33:44 EST

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From:         JoAnne Hildebrand <hildebra@EUROPA.UMUC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food



Nibbling on raw daylilies has upset my stomach. Stir-fried are tasty.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:10:41 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Latin names and sources, please (was: Skin care)

Comments: To: HeWuhti@aol.com



At 04:25 17.02.96 -0500, HeWuhti@aol.com wrote:

>Here are two formulas I found...can't recommend either personally, since I've

>never used them.  I have used other formulas in the same book, and have had

>good success with them.



>Witch grass root                             Ground Ivy

                                                Glechoma hederacea

>Elecampane root                              Elder leaves and flowers

   Inula helenium                               Sambucus nigra

>Juniper berries

   Juniperus communis



>Black elder leaves [1 part]                  English walnut leaves [1 part]

   Sambucus nigra                               Juglans regia?

>Pansy [1 part]                               Speedwell [2 parts]

   Viola tricolor                               Veronica sp.



From which book is this taken? And we need the latin names as common

names can be attached to more than one plant. So please check if the ones

I've given are correct, and tell me what the witch grass is (I could

tell you about switch grass and twitch grass, but not witch grass).



Henriette

--

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:38:43 -0500

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From:         Laura Hundt <LHundt@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sore Throats



In a message dated 96-02-17 14:29:24 EST, you write:



>I am new to This List and to Herbs in general.  My problem is that I can't

>seem to get rid of a soar throat to the point after a day at work I lose my

>voice all together.  The only thing I have found that helps at all is lemon

>mixed in water.  If anyone has a suggestion please reply.



   Sore throats often herald the onset of colds and flu, or they can be the

sympton of overworked vocal chords.  They may also signal local inflamation

and infection as with laryngitis and pharyngits - inflamations of the vocal

cords or nasal cavities.



   Try a sage and Rosemary gargle.

      One of the best combinations for sore throats and larengitis being that

both rosemary and sage are aromatic, anticeptic, and rich in potant healing

oils.  Additional astringants, such as lady's mantle, can also help reduse

inflamation.

  To make...

     mix

        15g dried or 45g fresh purple sage leaves

        10g dried or 20g fresh rosemary leaves

         5g dried ladys mantle leaves

      in a teapot and add 500 ml boiling water.  Seep for 10 minutes, strain,

and allow to cool.  Cover and store in a cool place.  Gargle with a wineglass

full every 2-3 hours as symptons persist.  The tea is anticeptic and healing

so swallow after gargling....

    Also try to pinpoint what is causing your sore throats, it could be as

simple as exposure to smoke or overuse of your vocal chords.  Or it could be

Tonsillitis.  I personally suffered from terrible sore throats till I had my

tonsals removed, but that is a measure you only want to take if neccesary....

 Laura H



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:12:25 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sore Throats



In a message dated 96-02-17 14:29:26 EST, you write:



>I am new to This List and to Herbs in general.  My problem is that I can't

>seem to get rid of a soar throat to the point after a day at work I lose my

>voice all together.  The only thing I have found that helps at all is lemon

>mixed in water.  If anyone has a suggestion please reply.



Lemon is antibactierial and will cut the "phlegm" from your throat...a trick

I used often during my vocalist days.  However, too much of this treatment

will dry your throat out!  You might do better with an expectorant to promote

drainage.  If you've got that deep down little tickle you probably have alot

of post nasal dripping going on.  You can make a strong tea of one or more of

the following: eucalyptus, coltsfoot, liquorice root, lobelia, and horehound.

 Add some honey to taste.  You can take a cup of the warm tea several times a

day...about 6 cups.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:28:55 -0500

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From:         Paul Bernier <pbernier@ESCAPE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Daylily



>Paul (eater of daylilies):  To eat cooked daylilies do I just pick the flower

>head, wash, pull out the insides then cook with a little water for a few

>minutes?

>

>donna



Donna, just take the unopened buds, wash and cook. They are easy to clean

because they seem slightly waxy, and the water (and dirt) seem to roll right

off. Use a steamer or very little water so as not to lose vitamins, and enjoy!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:29:06 -0500

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From:         Paul Bernier <pbernier@ESCAPE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food



>Peter's books on Daylilys, Dandelions etc. are excellent resourses. But,

>how can anyone bring themselves to eat a flower as lovely as Hemerocallis

>unless they have nothing else to eat?



Chris, don't worry about eating a few buds from a patch of daylilys. They'll

grow new ones almost as fast as you pick them. You'll still have plenty of

flowers to admire.

Paul Bernier

(Pbernier@escape.com)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:38:58 -0500

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From:         Paw Gep <PawGep@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sore Throats



In a message dated 96-02-17 14:29:24 EST, KAByers@AOL.COM (Paul F. Byers)

writes:



>I am new to This List and to Herbs in general.  My problem is that I can't

>seem to get rid of a soar throat to the point after a day at work I lose my

>voice all together.  The only thing I have found that helps at all is lemon

>mixed in water.  If anyone has a suggestion please reply.



For me, a few drops of Sandalwood pure essential oil rubbed onto my neck in

the area where the throat is sore is the absolute best thing to lose a sore

throat.



PG



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:11:50 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Pain Relievers....



In a message dated 96-02-18 10:10:49 EST, you write:



>I have a muscle disorder called fibromyalgia, and basically I suffer from

>chronic muscle pain.  Because I have been on pain medication since the age

of

>13 for it, I've built up a strong enough immunity to these medications that

>they want to give me my own lifelong prescription for Demerol with a

Morphine

>chaser now.  I reallllllllllly hate being on pain killers because they fog

my

>mind, and all they do is make me so silly I can ignore the pain for the most

>part.

>

>What I am looking for is an herbal pain reliever that will help my tendons

to

>relax which will relieve the pain.  So basically something to keep my

tendons

>from spasming all the time.



There's a host of alternative therapies that you may benefit from.  I can't

believe your health care provider suggested a lifelong dance with Demerol &

Morhpine. Didn't s/he consider any other possible therapies other than

pharmacological?



I'm also wondering why you have a fibromyalgic condition?  Your condition is

likely symptomatic with a greater underlying cause that needs to be

addressed.  I'm not a doctor, but it seems to me that recurring pain has a

purpose - to signal. Just because you don't see the light in the tunnel

doesn't mean the training isn't coming....pain relievers will do nothing for

you but keep the light off.  Have you been tested/diagnosed with Chronic

Fatigue Syndrome? MS? etc.? Since your pain is probably related to

inflammatory mechanisms, you might want to consult a nutritionist to

determine if your diet is lacking in certain minerals, and/or can be

supplemented with nutrional/botanical support to help alleviate inflammation

(and possibly to help block the transmission of pain messages). That might be

a good place to start.



Where do you live?  If you're in the U.S. I may be able to locate a few

alternative health practioners of varying disciplines in your area.  If you

live in a small town, mention the largest city closest to you.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:13:11 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: parasites



In a message dated 96-02-18 05:31:53 EST, you write:



>Hi all,

>        Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions for getting rid of

>parasites?  My husband has had 2 large rash "patches" for quite some time

>now.  We have tried numerous things to get rid of them with no luck.  It was

>suggested that he may have parasites.  Any suggestions at all would be

>greatly appreciated!



If these rashes are persistent, your husband may be suffering from an allergy

related problems, perhaps a food allergy.  Has he been to a dermatologist?

Parasites?  Well, he may have ringworm, which isn't a parasite but a

manifestation of a fungal infection of the outer skin.  Is it very itchy, and

spread out in circles?



Generally, lavender, chamomile, and clary-sage are all soothing for rashes

related to dry skin.  All are antiseptic, and in the case of lavender,

antifungal as well.  Tea tree oil is  also antiseptic & antifungal, and

recommended if the rash is caused by ringworm. You can apply a few drops of

one or more of these essential oils neat (without dilution) several times a

day (3-4) for 7-10 days. After that length of time, follow up with a daily

application of essential oils blended with jojoba, almond or cocoa butter.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:08:19 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Sore Throats



In message ID <960218023842_147127297@mail04.mail.aol.com> on 2/17/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: >I am new to This List and to Herbs in general.  My problem is that I can't

: >seem to get rid of a soar throat to the point after a day at work I lose

my

: >voice all together.  The only thing I have found that helps at all is

lemon

: >mixed in water.  If anyone has a suggestion please reply.

:

:    Sore throats often herald the onset of colds and flu, or they can be the

: sympton of overworked vocal chords.



Or,  even more likely AFTER cold season, is that they are the result of

improper OTC cold remedies, taken earlier in the winter.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:30:29 GMT

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Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Parasites and Garlic



In message ID <960218134358_225127220@mail04.mail.aol.com> on 2/18/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph D. , N. D., says parasites are, "...the true

: causes of cancer... a certain parasite (the human intestinal fluke),

: for which I found evidence in every cancer case regardless of the

: type of cancer.  It takes five days to cured of cancer, regardless

: of the type.  It does not matter how far progressed the cancer it.



Total and utter bullshit, and this 'doctor's' name is reviled by those who

have seen cancer kill loved ones. Intestinal flukes my ass. No one takes this

seriously, for very obvious reasons.



Clean your bowel and live forever? I think not.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:08:31 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: parasites



In message ID <199602180008.SAA27780@bucky.win.bright.net> on 2/17/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hi all,

:         Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions for getting rid of

: parasites?  My husband has had 2 large rash "patches" for quite some time

: now.  We have tried numerous things to get rid of them with no luck.  It

was

: suggested that he may have parasites.  Any suggestions at all would be

: greatly appreciated!

: Thanks,

: Janet

: wajabrun@win.bright.net



If he has parasites, that can be determined by tests. Far more likely is that

he has psoriasis or eczema, or some other chronic form of skin affliction

that is not due to a bug. Herbs to fight bugs are very harsh to the

system--so it pays to find out first. You need a DIAGNOSIS, not a blind guess

and some herbs.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:08:43 GMT

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Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Hypoglacimia



In message ID <199602180317.SAA20641@alaska.ktn.net> on 2/17/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: There will always be disagreement between Eastern and Western approaches to

: natural healing.  The above was recommended to me when I was treated by a

: wholistic doctor trained in Germany.  I won't argue with Paul. He is very

: knowledgeable.  However, there is more than one way to "skin a cat" as the

: saying goes.



Well, that is the thing about Yin/Yang theory--it is highly adaptive, and

covers the facts neatly. The primary difficiency of folk and European herbal

systems is that they tend to ignore energetics in favor of keynotes. If the

German healer is practicing in a community where Hot Stomachs predominate,

then such advice works even if it is not theoretically accurate. In a nation

of Cold Stomachs like the U.S., this is simply disaster. You feel better for

a few weeks or a few months while the aloe bleeds off whatever Excess is

present (including the remaining Qi), and then you fall into a deep state of

Depletion. A lot of the Chronic Fatigue around is in part due to the wrong

therapy which seemed to work, and then left you several miles shy of the

North Pole, because the travelling you were doing was --South--.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:32:38 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: acne  recommendation etc



>Here are two formulas I found...can't recommend either personally, since I've

>never used them.  I have used other formulas in the same book, and have had

>good success with them.

>                                    I

>Witch grass root                              Ground Ivy

>Elecampane root                              Elder leaves and flowers

>Juniper berries

>

>Mix in equal parts. Steep 1 tsp in 1/2 cup boiling-hot water. Take 1/2 to 1

>cup a day, unsweetened, in mouthful doses. Take daily over an extended

>period.



** DO NOT take juniper "berries" for an extended period. They will cause

acute irritation to

your kidney and urinary tract.  Best not to advise people if you don't know

what you are talking about!



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

_________________________________________

"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:32:33 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: immune system



Mary says:



>Think of the immune system like your own private army, navy, air force,

>marine corps, and national and coast guards all rolled up into one.  That's

>how I describe it in my latest release, DOUBLE THE POWER OF YOUR IMMUNE

>SYSTEM.  This front-line defense system against infectious diseases is made

>up of youradenoids, tonsils, thymus, lymph nodes, spleen, Peyer's patches (on

>the small intestine), lymphatic vessels, appendix, and bone marrow.

>

>What E purpurea does is to rearm these with the weapons they need for the

>battles of health ahead.  The herb helps to sweep dead cells and other debris

>through the channels of the lymphatic system, and dispatches white blood

>cells to fight infection.  It redoubles the power of the lymph nodes to

>filter broken-down material within the body.  The production of lymphocytes

>and macrophages is escalated when E purpurea is added to the system on a

>regular basis.



I really don't believe this militaristic metaphor is correct. The immune

system is a subtle set of processes, both innate and acquired, responsible

for defining self and other and maintaining

the integrity of the body in a number of ways,  some of which are

potentially as harmful as they are helpful - ( autoimmune disease, allergy,

atopy, inflammatory conditions etc)



If you must use analogies, think of your body as a house. Using security

guards and highwire fences, searchlights and soldiers to patrol the

perimeter is not really the most efficient way of defending your house.

First you need to make sure someone is at home! (Allpathic  medicine sets

alarms around empty houses, and then the security forces make a real mess

when they get a false alarm.)  You can make your house structurally secure,

and then simply conceal your valuables so that if someone uninvited enters

they can't do any harm. One could develop this metaphor  ad nauseam but it

has far more to do with the nature of immunity than the "commie bastard"

germ theory such as you suggest.



Secondly, but I see that Michael Moore has already pointed it out, E

purpurea is not noted to be more effective than other species. More to the

point is probably the parts used and the methods of extraction. But that's

another story......



jonathan



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

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"A letter always arrives at its destination" - Jacques Lacan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:37:38 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath (updated)



Sure, I only have two on hand, but there are many others.



The Clayton School of Natural Healing & The American Holistic College of

Nutrition in Alabama.

Can be reached at 1 800 995 4590 to request a catalouge.  So far I have had

excellent results dealing with them.  I also interviewed several people from

many different states and ALL were pleased with the school  and their

degrees.  One told me that because of her PhD. degree from the school she

could now collect insurance in her practice.  Another stated that it took

her six years to complete her degree, and when she went to finish the school

told her that she needed additional courses and sent the material to her at

no additional charge.



At 10:48 AM 2/17/96 -0500, you wrote:

>>>By the way several courses by mail are also accredited schools and the

>graduates are eligible to be members of the American Naturopathic Medical

>Association and the American Association of Nutritional Consultants.  Many

>offer internship programs also.



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          Have you thought of where you're going

                When this earthly life is past?

             Will the seed that you are sowing

                Bring a harvest that will last?

                                         - Jacobsen

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:56:06 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Parasites and Garlic



In a message dated 96-02-18 13:45:36 EST, you write:



>Another reporter of the benefits of alliums is Lesley Bremness.  In her

book,

>The Complete Book of Herbs, she says, "All alliums contain some iron and

>vitamins and are a mild antibiotic."   Everyone should be trying to get as

>much of this into us as we possible can.  In any way possible.



In Russia, garlic is termed "Russian penicillin" and was used in hospitals

(such as in inhalants, etc.) for a long time. Garlic is also an excellent

vermifuge, for people and pets!  The only thing is that diabetics & those who

are monitored due to high blood pressure need to be a bit careful about their

allium intake. Ingesting regular doses of alliums can cause blood sugar

levels to rise or fall unpredictably.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:16:09 -0500

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From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: parasites



In a message dated 96-02-18 15:18:17 EST, you write:



> You need a DIAGNOSIS, not a blind guess

>and some herbs.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



EXACTLY - please be careful, people...You can often do more harm than good by

self treating improperly diagnosed conditions.  PLEASE HEED PAUL'S ADVISE.

 Get your husband to a proper diagnostician and find out what the true nature

of his problem is.



Mare



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:18:28 -0800

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From:         jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Alliums lesson one



This "herbal lesson" is largely hogwash, and fails to state the basic=

 characteristis of garlic as a medicinal herb in any tradition of herbal=

 medicine, western, Unani, Ayurvedic or TCM.  I suggest that those who want=

 to pay you for this nonsense do it privately off this list.It is misleading=

 and clearly ignorant of any basic herbalist theory or practice. ...quite=

 how one could call it a lesson in anything other than in astounding=

 exhibitionism of utter ignorance is beyond me. One is tempted to say back=

 to aol where it belongs but of course there are several nice aol people who=

 don't really deserve it either....



For those interested in garlic see the recent book on the subject by Paul=

 Bergner - editor of Medical Herbalism, a readable  introduction that covers=

 many aspects of the herbs use in

all traditions....



jonathan



    jonathan treasure<jonno@teleport.com>

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:23:05 -0700

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From:         Robert Wesley <shaolin@HENGE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sore Throats



Some herbs that are good for sore throat are licorice root, slippery elm

bark and magnolia bark.  If you have access to Chinese herbal patents, Jie

Geng Wan is good, and so is Watermelon Frost.



At 07:08 PM 2/18/96 GMT, you wrote:

>In message ID <960218023842_147127297@mail04.mail.aol.com> on 2/17/96,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>: >I am new to This List and to Herbs in general.  My problem is that I can't

>: >seem to get rid of a soar throat to the point after a day at work I lose

>my

>: >voice all together.  The only thing I have found that helps at all is

>lemon

>: >mixed in water.  If anyone has a suggestion please reply.

>:

>:    Sore throats often herald the onset of colds and flu, or they can be the

>: sympton of overworked vocal chords.

>

>Or,  even more likely AFTER cold season, is that they are the result of

>improper OTC cold remedies, taken earlier in the winter.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:23:09 -0700

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From:         Robert Wesley <shaolin@HENGE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Pain Relievers....



A Chinese herbal formula and acupuncture can be very helpful, but if you are

going to use Chinese herbs, you really need to get a Chinese diagnosis.

However, you might try something like Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan if you have access

to Chinese patents.  It might make you constipated, in which case, you would

simply stop taking it.  For symptomatic treatment of the pain, you might try

something like a tea with cinnamon bark.



RW





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:23:05 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Herbal Pain Relievers....



In message ID <199602190023.RAA01308@henge.com> on 2/18/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



Someone said, relative to fibromyalgia:



: For symptomatic treatment of the pain, you might try

: something like a tea with cinnamon bark.



What makes you think that the pain is due to Cold? Many such pains are due to

Deficient Yin Heat! Cinnamon bark is not good therapy for such a complaint,

clearly.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:22:59 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Sore Throats



In message ID <199602190023.RAA01306@henge.com> on 2/18/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Some herbs that are good for sore throat are licorice root, slippery elm

: bark and magnolia bark.  If you have access to Chinese herbal patents, Jie

: Geng Wan is good, and so is Watermelon Frost.



Magnolia bark is Warm, and Watermelon Frost is very Cold. How can these

opposite things both be 'good' (appropriate)?



Watermelon Frost is for severe sore throat. There are a lot of sore throats

due to Damp Cold that will be made considerably worse by using this

inappropriately. Conceivably, you could drive a sore throat into the lungs.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 21:04:33 -0700

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From:         Robert Wesley <shaolin@HENGE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Pain Relievers....



Actually, I was thinking of cinnamon's action to release the muscle layer,

not its temperature, and actually, cinnamon twig would be better for that

purpose.  True, it is warming, and it may be too warming if there is

yin-deficient heat (however, with fibromyalgia, I would bet the farm that

there is not and that instead there is spleen-qi deficiency with damp/phlegm

accumulation blocking the flow of qi to the muscles), but however else you

differentiate fibromyalgia, one thing is for sure, and that is that it

resides in the muscle layer.  By the way, if I understand the purpose of

this discussion group correctly, it is not to diagnose and treat but to

offer suggestions and to exchange information.  I've read a number of your

messages, and so far I haven't seen you contribute anything but critiques.

Arguing via negativa is fine, if you're a medieval scholastic, but it is

hardly informative.  If all you are suggesting is that everyone go see their

chosen practitioner and get diagnosed and treated, then there really isn't

too much point in anyone continuing in the group, since they already will

have all the information they will ever receive.



At 01:23 AM 2/19/96 GMT, you wrote:

>In message ID <199602190023.RAA01308@henge.com> on 2/18/96,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>Someone said, relative to fibromyalgia:

>

>: For symptomatic treatment of the pain, you might try

>: something like a tea with cinnamon bark.

>

>What makes you think that the pain is due to Cold? Many such pains are due to

>Deficient Yin Heat! Cinnamon bark is not good therapy for such a complaint,

>clearly.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 18 Feb 1996 21:04:56 -0700

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From:         Robert Wesley <shaolin@HENGE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sore Throats



I was merely noting some herbs that are good for sore throats, not

diagnosing or treating this particular sore throat.  If someone were to ask

you to list some herbs that are good for sore throat, are there any in the

previous list that you would not include? If someone were to ask you to name

some tasty foods, would you say that chicken and ice cream cannot both be

tasty because one is a main course and one is a dessert?



At 01:22 AM 2/19/96 GMT, you wrote:

>In message ID <199602190023.RAA01306@henge.com> on 2/18/96,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>: Some herbs that are good for sore throat are licorice root, slippery elm

>: bark and magnolia bark.  If you have access to Chinese herbal patents, Jie

>: Geng Wan is good, and so is Watermelon Frost.

>

>Magnolia bark is Warm, and Watermelon Frost is very Cold. How can these

>opposite things both be 'good' (appropriate)?

>

>Watermelon Frost is for severe sore throat. There are a lot of sore throats

>due to Damp Cold that will be made considerably worse by using this

>inappropriately. Conceivably, you could drive a sore throat into the lungs.

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--

>

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:37:18 -0500

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From:         David Campano <davecam@PRGONE.COM>

Subject:      Horsetail Research?



Hello again everyone! I have a friend who wanted to know the benefits of

"Horsetail" Tea taken for the condition of osteoporosis. I believe it was a

mixture of half Horsetail and half "Green Tea" that an herbalist mentioned

to me. Anyone know anything on this? Also, can you recommend good sites that

have a lot of herbal information for research? I sure appreciate your

feedback on this...even Paul's!

Dave (davecam@prgone.com)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:50:10 -0500

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From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Horsetail Research?



In a message dated 96-02-19 00:39:23 EST, you write:



> I have a friend who wanted to know the benefits of

>"Horsetail" Tea taken for the condition of osteoporosis. I believe it was a

>mixture of half Horsetail and half "Green Tea" that an herbalist mentioned

>to me. Anyone know anything on this?



Here's a sampling from three different sources...none mention a combination

of green tea with the horsetail...only the first mentions usefulness in

strengthening of bone.



In the reference section, pg 169, of HOW TO BE YOUR OWN HERBAL PHARMACIST, Dr

Linda Rector-Page writes:



"HORSETAIL (SHAVEGRASS); Equisetum Hyemale - Part used: dried stems.

Effective forms: tea, liquid extract and powdered extract, poultice, bath,

eyewash. Therapeutic profile: a high silica herb that helps rebuild and

provide elasticity to the skin, hair, and nails. Useful as a diuretic and

tonic for body "spring cleaning" and detoxification. Primary uses: as a

specific in any skin or "cosmetic" elements formula; as part of a

detoxification and body cleanse; as an astringent for diarrhea and dysentary;

as part of a bone and cartilege strenghthening formula; as a toning and

astringent to treat incontinence in the elderly, and a bed-wetting in

children; as part of a compound to dissolve kidney stones, and relieve kidney

congestion; the extract is a specific in prostrate gland treatment (BPH);

secondary uses: as part of an herbal calcium supplement; as part of a formula

to expel internal parasites; helps healing and clotting process with sores

and wounds; externally as a compress for hemorrhoids and anal fissures; as an

eyewash to relieve inflammation and conjunctivitis; as a bath for rheumatism

and arthritis stiffness."



THE MANUAL OF NATURAL THERAPY, Olshevsky, et al, suggests horsetail only in

remedies treating reproductive and urinary disorders ( pg 207, 209, 212,

237).



THE HERB BOOK, pg 353 & 354, John Lust, states:



"SHAVE GRASS  (Equisetum arvense)



Common Names: Horsetail grass, horsetail rush.



Medicinal part: The plant.



Description: Shave grass is a perennial plant common in moist loamy or sandy

soil all over North America and Eurasia. A creeping, stringlike rootstock

with roots at the nodes produces numerous hollow stems, which are of two

types. A fertile, flesh-colored stem grows first, reaching a height of 4 to 7

inches and bearing on top a cone-like spike which contains spores; this stem

dies quickly. A green, sterile stem grows up to 18 inches high and features

whorls of small branches.



Properties and Uses: Diuretic, hemostatic, vulnerary. Shave grass has been

praised for its usefulness in lung problems, including mild tuberculosis (its

silicic acid content is said to stabilize the scar tissue). The juice of the

plant-essentially, the sterile stems-is good for anemia which results from

internal bleeding such as from stomach ulcers, since it promotes the

coagulation of blood. A tea made from shave grass has been recommended for

stomach and leg ulcers, urinary tract problems, water retention, excessive

menstrual flow and leucorrhea. For the latter two complaints, the tea can

also be used as a douche. Externally, the tea makes a good wash for wounds,

sores, skin problems, and mouth and gum inflammations. CAUTION: Excessive

doses can lead to symptoms of poisoning.



Preparation and Dosage:



Infusion: Steep 2 tsp dried plant in 1/2 cup water. Take 1 cup a day.



Decoction: Put 1 heaping tsp fresh or dried plant in 1/2 cup cold water.

Bring to a boil, boil for one minutes, then steep for one minute and strain.

Take 1 to 1 1/2 cups a day, a mouthful at a time. For internal bleeding, make

2 cups in the morning and take in the course of the day, 1 tbsp at a time.

For external use, boil and steep for a longer time.



Juice: Take 1 tsp at a time, with water."



Mare



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:57:44 -0500

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From:         Vicki Latta <luna@BBS.TSF.COM>

Subject:      Daylily as food



In my experience, daylily buds and flowers are a _DELICOUS_  food, but

best consumed in small to moderate quantiies as part of a meal rather

than a meal in themselves.  There were about two dozen of us at the New

England Women's Herbal Conference last summer who laughingly called

ourselves the "Sisterhood of the Daylilies" because we all had survived,

at one time or another, the  * severe *  gastric distress that can

follow the over-enthusiastic consumption of this flower.



I still enjoy eating daylily blossoms, but no more than a few in

a meal.  Of course, as in all things relating to plants, your mileage

may vary....  So give them a try, but go easy at first.



Bon appetit!



vicki



... Thou shalt delight in the wonder!

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 07:45:02 GMT

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From:         Rene Burrough <burrough@VOSSNET.CO.UK>

Subject:      Latin Names



Henriette Kress,

You asked someone for the latin name for Witch Grass.  I came across that

herb when browsing through Lust's <Herb Book> on an entirely different

matter.

He gives Agropyron repens at the latin name and lists aperient, demulcent,

diuretic, emollient, and tonic under properties & uses.



Went to another American source <Sampler of Wayside Herbs> Barbara Pond's

rather charming book, illustrated with lined & colors drawings. She has

<Quack Grass> as the main name for Agropyron repens.  She says it's also

commonly called <couch grass> or <witch grass>.



Both Lust & Pond mention its use as a spring tonic.In a longer list of

common names, Lust has: couch grass, cutch, dog grass, durfa grass, quack

grass, quick grass, triticum.



Agropyron repens certainly takes pride of place within the British herbal

tradition known as Couch Grass aka Twitch grass, Quick grass, Scutch.



Silica is one of the main constituents which means several healing actions.



And again, used as a spring tonic here in the UK & in Germany especially.



Don't know if this in the one the other list member meant as I never saw

the original message, though I am assuming it was about skin.

An herb that has diuretic actions as well as blood cleansing actions will

certainly improve skin problems.



Rene Burrough



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:42:58 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: ananas



In a message dated 96-02-19 00:38:02 EST, you write:



>i am ready to learn something about pineapple (ananas) - is it

>appropriate for this list?  any healing properties besides its high

>vitamin A and C content?



Pineapple is also rich in the only (known) natural source of bromelain (a

strong anti-flammatory & muscle relaxant) and the juice is sometimes

recommended by nutritionsists in the treatment of bursitus, arthritis,

menstrual cramps.  It's also useful in the treatment of varicose

veins...bromelain inhibits the formation of blood clots and stimulates fibrin

breakdown in varicosed veins, helping to prevent the formation of lumps which

commonly surround the vein.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:43:12 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Horsetail Research?



In a message dated 96-02-19 00:39:23 EST, you write:



>Hello again everyone! I have a friend who wanted to know the benefits of

>"Horsetail" Tea taken for the condition of osteoporosis. I believe it was a

>mixture of half Horsetail and half "Green Tea" that an herbalist mentioned

>to me. Anyone know anything on this?



The Horsetails (Equisetum spp.)  have a reputation as a folk treatment for

kidney, and bladder disorders, and even tuberculosis, but there is actually

very little evidence to support this.  It contains saponins and glycosides,

which makes it a mild diuretic at best.  It also contains a trace amount of

nicotine. Horsetail has little medicinal value, other than its folk use as a

"spring tonic," but is best used as a metal polisher and wood sander due to

its high silica content, specially that of E. hyemele.  In fact, horsetail is

also called rush weed, shave grass, or scouring rush.



I cannot imagine why your herbalist suggested using horsetail to treat

osteoporosis! (Or for anything for that matter!) Botanicals that are used in

treating this condition are recommended because of their ability to

strengthen collagen structure, and/or provide oestrogenic action in

menapausal women, to allay further bone loss. Many people think osteoporosis

is triggered by calcium deficiency, but actually it's a condition

characterized by a decrease in bone mass due to dietary condsiderations, a

decrease in activity, and especially hormonal changes as we age.



Your friend would be well advised to visit a nutrionist (or other

practitioner) to discuss a diet rich and supplementation of the following,

all of which play a role in enhancing collegen structure and bone matrix :

Strontium, Vitamin K, Magnesium, Vitamin D, Folic Acid, Vitamin B6, B12,

Zinc, Boron, and of course, Calcium.  Botanical supplements may include:

cherries, blueberries, raspberries, etc., which contain certain flavonoids

that greatly improve collegen structure; and perhaps plants which promote

oestrogenic activity including unicorn root (Alteris farinosa), dong quai

(Angelica sinensis), black cohosh (Cimicifuga racemosa), and fennel

(Foeniculum vulgare).



I hope the above provides your friend with some direction at least. I would

suggest s/he discuss the above suggestions with a medical professional, and

do as much homework as they can on their own.  Good luck!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:57:27 -0800

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From:         Pamela Burau <pam-burau@WSU.EDU>

Subject:      Coffee beans



Hello  :)



In my office where I work, several of us got into a coffee bean discussion.

Can anyone tell me any positive or negative effects that drinking coffee

freshly ground can have on ones body.  This is interesting...one lady

claimed  "To put coffee grounds in her garden, to keep worms away", is this

relevant?

Any input as to the bad affects of caffeine also appreciated?



Cheers,



Love is simple, hate breeds, those who think difference, is the child of

disease.

-Elton John



********************************************

          Pamela Lee Burau                  * Any opinions/ideas expressed

  Washington State University          *  in my postings do not reflect

              Home of The                       *  those of who I work for,

 Palouse Hills and Cougar Country!!    *  or who I'm affliated with!!!

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Hakuna Matata - The Lion King



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:19:52 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Horsetail Research?



In message ID <960219084311_426102997@mail06.mail.aol.com> on 2/19/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I cannot imagine why your herbalist suggested using horsetail to treat

: osteoporosis! (Or for anything for that matter!)



The concept is that silica strengthens bones. As I pointed out in my reply to

this post, that hardening of bone won't prevent breaks, since the issue is

not hardness of cortical bone, but rather the thready trabecular bone.

Increased hardening of those bones increases the problem.



What you want to do is strengthen the ligaments and tendons. Practices like

Taijiquan have the demonstrated ability to do that, and studies show that

practitioners suffer fewer falls to begin with.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:03:06 GMT

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From:         Phyllis Johnpoll <phyllis.johnpoll@NCSL.ORG>

Subject:      Help w/presentation



I have been asked to moderate a discussion centering on alternative

forms of healing (alternative, that is, to the standard allopathic

medical practices.) I'm not a particularly well-versed herbalist, but I

do use certain things on a fairly regular basis, so I feel confident in

western herbalism. I know nothing about eastern herbalism, and even less

about some of the other (non-herb) forms of alternatives.



I don't need the list cluttered with a bunch of responses to me

(particularly the nasty ones saying to take if off the list, since such

posts only perpetuate the off-topic status of the subject on the

list....) but I would like some help here. Can anyone give me some hints

about where to turn for this info? I'm not going to present myself as an

expert in any area, and I'm only moderating, not making a full-scale

presentation. But if anyone wants their two cents worth included, you

can send it to me and, if it's coherent and relevant, I'll include it

with my opening comments. The group, BTW, is gay-ish (about 50 per cent

gay, at any rate) and will likely be interested in AIDS related stuff.



On a more herbal note.......



I had been using ephedra for my sinus congestion for years, but due to

my blood pressure I now have to avoid it. This is not a sinus infection,

just plain old rhinitis. (Which means that I'm allergic to particles of

air, or at least it feels like I am!) Are there any other herbs that I

can use for the congestion that will not raise my blood pressure? I have

been given to understand that most antihistamines (commercial variety)

have a bad effect on blood pressure, and the commercial nasal sprays are

addicting, and even if they weren't their effects only last for an hour

or so. I've been using a menthol inhaler, but it's starting to feel like

it's burning my nose up.



Thanks



*BB*



ptj



p.s. I have a suggestion. Just for one day, let's all promise to behave

like adults and not like a bunch of juvenile malcontents. No flames, no

complaints phrased as threats, no arguments, no attempts to

disguise a sales pitch as a legitimate observation ..... just a

discussion. If something makes you unhappy here, just say so instead of

getting all het up about it - like that's going to help solve the

problem anyway..... Just for a day. Like - next Thursday. Sound like a

good deal, anyone?

_______________________________________________________________

I believe in censorship. After all, I made a fortune out of it.

                      --Mae West



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:38:45 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Horsetail Research?



In message ID <199602190537.AAA02272@mail.prgone.com> on 2/18/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hello again everyone! I have a friend who wanted to know the benefits of

: "Horsetail" Tea taken for the condition of osteoporosis. I believe it was a

: mixture of half Horsetail and half "Green Tea" that an herbalist mentioned

: to me. Anyone know anything on this? Also, can you recommend good sites

that

: have a lot of herbal information for research? I sure appreciate your

: feedback on this...even Paul's!

: Dave (davecam@prgone.com)



OK, well here you go: horsetail is not going to strengthen bone dramatically

in osteoporosis. Even if it does, the effect of horsetail as I understand it

is to make bones stiffer. That isn't going to help with the region of most

bone breaks, namely trabecular bone (the bone near joints). Meanwhile, it is

a diuretic, something of little use to the aged.



As for green tea, the idea of suggesting an INCREASE in caffeine to people

suffering from osteo is pretty close to malpractice.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:39:09 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Sore Throats



In message ID <199602190404.VAA05270@henge.com> on 2/18/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I was merely noting some herbs that are good for sore throats, not

: diagnosing or treating this particular sore throat.  If someone were to ask

: you to list some herbs that are good for sore throat, are there any in the

: previous list that you would not include? If someone were to ask you to

name

: some tasty foods, would you say that chicken and ice cream cannot both be

: tasty because one is a main course and one is a dessert?

:

: At 01:22 AM 2/19/96 GMT, you wrote:

: >In message ID <199602190023.RAA01306@henge.com> on 2/18/96,

: >HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

: >

: >: Some herbs that are good for sore throat are licorice root, slippery elm

: >: bark and magnolia bark.  If you have access to Chinese herbal

: patents, Jie >: Geng Wan is good, and so is Watermelon Frost.

: >

: >Magnolia bark is Warm, and Watermelon Frost is very Cold. How can these

: >opposite things both be 'good' (appropriate)?

: >

: >Watermelon Frost is for severe sore throat. There are a lot of sore

throats

: >due to Damp Cold that will be made considerably worse by using this

: >inappropriately. Conceivably, you could drive a sore throat into the

lungs.



The implication is that you can just select any of these things 'good for

sore throat.' Fairly worthless information, so I counterpoised it with some

of the theory needed to actually APPLY these herbs. 'If you have access'

implies that you should use what you have available. And that is wrong. You

must use what is appropriate. Inappropriate herbs are NOT GOOD for conditions

they are inappropriate for, regardless of the satisfaction of keynotes.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:39:33 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Herbal Pain Relievers....



In message ID <199602190404.VAA05258@henge.com> on 2/18/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Actually, I was thinking of cinnamon's action to release the muscle layer,

: not its temperature, and actually, cinnamon twig would be better for that

: purpose.



Cinnamon bark doesn't have the function AT ALL, in Chinese herbalism.



: True, it is warming, and it may be too warming if there is

: yin-deficient heat



A --totally-- inappropriate herb in that case, yes.



:  (however, with fibromyalgia, I would bet the farm that

: there is not and that instead there is spleen-qi deficiency with

damp/phlegm

: accumulation blocking the flow of qi to the muscles),



Bi-syndrome has at least seven or eight possible causes. Your 'farm' is not

of great value, I would guess.



: but however else you

: differentiate fibromyalgia, one thing is for sure, and that is that it

: resides in the muscle layer.



'It' is a conventional medicine disease category. As can be seen, this term

doesn't give much information. 'Bi Tong' (Obstruction Pain) resides in the

muscle and Channel levels. The condition of 'fibromyalgia,' as you note

above, is not rooted in the muscle layer. It is an Excess/Deficiency pattern,

and the root is exactly what you're ignoring when you offer a Warm

Diaphoretic as a treatment for pain with an undiagnosed root.



: By the way, if I understand the purpose of

: this discussion group correctly, it is not to diagnose and treat but to

: offer suggestions and to exchange information.



The quote from you was:



: >: For symptomatic treatment of the pain, you might try

: >: something like a tea with cinnamon bark.



That IS treatment.



: I've read a number of your

: messages, and so far I haven't seen you contribute anything but critiques.



As needed, and what of it?



: Arguing via negativa is fine, if you're a medieval scholastic, but it is

: hardly informative.  If all you are suggesting is that everyone go see

their

: chosen practitioner and get diagnosed and treated, then there really isn't

: too much point in anyone continuing in the group, since they already will

: have all the information they will ever receive.



It is entirely possible to arrive at tentative diagnoses over the Internet.

The case at hand is an excellent example. You could have stated a bit more of

the theory and the usual types of causes, and the person might have learned

something. Instead, your information would quite possibly send them off into

a painful experiment. So I replied, countering your suggestion. If you think

that you can expect different from me in the future, you don't know me very

well.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:30:42 -0500

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From:         Vicki Latta <luna@BBS.TSF.COM>

Subject:      Goldenseal



Like Michael, I found not a single plant of wild goldenseal last summer,

despite rambling and foraging at least 400 miles last summer on

foot through some of the most remote mountainous areas of the

Northeastern US.  I found a few ginseng plants, quite a few wild

orchids, but not ONE specimen of goldenseal.  They MAY still be out

there..... we can only hope......



Like another herb list member... ( Anita??) I have been using gold

thread (Coptis trifolia) the past two years in place of goldenseal.



Gathering goldthread is a labor of love; carefully following those tiny

threads through the rotting leaf mold on the forest floor takes time, if

one is not to disturb the surrounding plants.  But what a way to spend a

fall day... out of the wind, sitting on the forest floor cushioned by

newly fallen leaves, soaking up the fading sun's warmth, and gathering

medicine for the coming winter.   It's not a "grab it and dash off" kind

of plant.  Maybe that "difficulty" in gathering  gold thread will save

it from the destructive over- harvesting that has decimated the

goldenseal population?



BTW, does anyone know if the leaves (of the gold thread) contain

sufficient amounts of the active ingredients to be useful?



Praying for spring and the return of things green, here in the frozen

north....



vicki



luna@bbs.tsf.com

... If reality wants to reach me, it knows where I am.

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:33:17 -0700

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From:         bruce bammes <beb8064@CC.UTAH.EDU>

Subject:      Re: ananas

In-Reply-To:  <Pine.SUN.3.91.960219002550.27480C-100000@solix>



Judith,

        I remember eating fresh warm fully ripe pineapple.  It was

usually removed from the field minutes before consumption (as in accross

the street and up a little).  I don't know about the official herbal

effects ie. cold, hot, yin, Qi, and etc.  I do know that it has the

effect of lifting spirits, and lessening depression.  Fully ripe

pineapple is not really sour.  It is more like butter rum.  It is a

powerful "herb" for lifting the soul.



Bruce Bammes--University of Utah--USA  Disabled Rights Activist

Bruce@mustard.com   I have Wheels and a dog                     __

Bruce.Bammes@m.cc.utah.edu  CFIDS Challenger  Mech. Eng. Student |

-----------------------------------------------------------------(X)\_



On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Judith Rasoletti wrote:



> Mmmmmhh... 'herbal' bombs?? care to share the recipe?

> i am ready to learn something about pineapple (ananas) - is it

> appropriate for this list?  any healing properties besides its high

> vitamin A and C content?

>

> judith rasoletti

> rasolett@fiu.edu

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:37:54 -0700

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From:         Sheila Sanders <sasanders@DNS.MCN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Parasites and Garlic

In-Reply-To:  <960218134358_225127220@mail04.mail.aol.com>



Donna Hench mentions that the best way to use garlic is to use it in its

fresh state by adding it to the diet rather than by taking it in pill form.



Is there any loss of the beneficial elements of garlic when it is

frozen?  I have been buying large quantities of fresh peeled garlic

cloves in bulk which I then freeze.  They come in a large plastic jar at

Cosco.  I have noticed that I use more of the cloves when they are frozen

than when fresh to get the same effect in cooking, so I am wondering if

some of the potency is lost in the freezing process.



Sheila Sanders

sasanders@mcn.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:13:28 -0500

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From:         "Paul F. Byers" <KAByers@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Sore Throats



In a message dated 96-02-18 21:12:00 EST, you write:



>: Some herbs that are good for sore throat are licorice root, slippery elm

>: bark and magnolia bark.  If you have access to Chinese herbal patents, Jie

>: Geng Wan is good, and so is Watermelon Frost.

>

>Magnolia bark is Warm, and Watermelon Frost is very Cold. How can these

>opposite things both be 'good' (appropriate)?



Since I am just know starting to even understand herbs I have a question

about Magnolia bark.  Can I actually get this from any Magnolia tree or does

it have to be a certain one.  I was wondering, since I have a Magnolia tree

in my back yard can I use this to make a syrup to take as one of my book

(HERBS THAT HEAL by Weiner) says:

     1 teaspoon of the bark, cut small or granulated,

       is boiled in a covered container with 1 1/2 pints

       of water for about 30 min. at a slow boil.  Allow

       liquid to cool slowly in the closed container.

       Drink cold, 1 swallow or 1 tablespoon at a time,

       1 to 2 cups per day.



will this work on a soar throat the book says it is mainly for rheumatism or

to expel worms.  I tend to get this type of soar throat about once every

year.  I lose my voice at late night and in the mornig.  After my chest has

warmed up my voice is fine just my throat hursts unless I drink 1/2 a lemon

squeezed and put in about 2 cups of water every three to foour hours.  Any

help.



I thank eveyone for every thing they have suggested I am still trying to

narrow down a remedy without overloading my system.



Paul B



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:57:57 -0500

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From:         Pamela Beard <Qenime@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Basic Resources for Medicinal Herbs



I am an R.N. who is interested in medicinal herbs.  I need to find some good

basic resource books on herbal healing and medicine to learn more about it.

 Can you recommend good introductory reading for a beginner?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:33:41 -0500

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From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: chinese herbs source



Sources for Chinese Herbs:



Frontier Coop Herbs, 319-227-7996 (wholesale & retail)

Blue Lotus, PO Box 1008, Silver Lake, WI 53170; 414-889-8521 (wholesale)

East Earth Herbs, PO Box 2802, Eugene, OR 97402; 503-687-0155 (wholesale)

House of Hezekiah, 4305 Main, Kansas City, MO 64111; 816-753-3312 (wholesale

& retail)

Good Hope Botanicals, 830 Sweetser Ave #E, Novato, CA 94945; 800-577-7423

(wholesale)

Lotus Light, PO Box 1008, Silver Lake, WI 53170; 414-889-8501 (wholesale)

San Francisco Herb & Natural Food, PO Box 40604, San Francisco, CA 94140;

510-547-6345 (wholesale)



Hope this helps....there are a lot more....in The Herbal Green Pages



Maureen



Twelve Corners



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:06:12 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food



Because, Chris, it lasts only a day, there occur in profusion, and therefore

judicious harvesting of buds leaves no noticeable effect on the floral

display.  Besides, you can enjoy the blooms and at the end of the day (when

they will wilt anyway) enjoy them as fritters or in confetti biscuits, you

can take the withered floweers and use them to thicken soups and stews, make

the fruit pods into pickles, etc, etc, none of which will disturb the floral

magnificance.  After all, daylilies are, and always have been, much more than

just pretty faces!.



All the best



Peter Gail, the sadistic promoter of daylily consumption. eating daylilies!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:51:21 -0500

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From:         Laura Hundt <LHundt@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: MUCUS



In a message dated 96-02-18 05:02:15 EST, you write:



>Since I moved to South Florida from Philadelphis 8 years ago I have mucus

>problems from December thru March, the best time of the year.  It's

>comfortable, cooler, dryer (less humidity) and clear.  As soon as the

>temperature drops below 68 degree my nose gets stuffy and

>I'm full of mucus, especially when I wake up.



   The protective membranes lining the nasal passagesproduce mucas as a form

of protection in responce to infections or irritants.  Excess mucas - phlegm

- often follows a cold.  It is also caused by allergens, such as pollen and

house dust.  Steam inhalents are one of the most effective ways of treating

upper respiratory tract problems.  Try a sandalwood and Pine inhalant.  These

oils are astringant, anticeptic and soothing.  To make mix 15 drops

sandalwood oil, 15 drops pine oil, 10 drops lavender oil, 5 drops peperment

oil, and 45ml compound tincture of benzoin - friar's balsam in a 50 ml

sterilized dark glass bottle and shake well.  Fill a basin with boiling

water.  Add a teaspoon of the mix to the water.  Lean over the water and

cover the head and basin with a towel.  Inhale the steam for ten minutes.

 Repeat twice a day wile the condition persists.  Stay in a warm room for @

30 minutes afterward.



You could also try 30 ml each of eyebright, ribwort, plantain, and echinacea

tinctures with 10 ml of goldenseal tincture.  Sip a 5ml dose diluted in warm

water 3 times a day.



Take 2 x 200mg garlic capsules 3 times a day....



         Hope I was of some assistance.....  Laura H



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:30:36 -0500

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From:         "Reid L. Winick" <ReidDDS@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Gingivitis question



I will get back to you this week with a great periodontal brushing tech. for

gingivitis and periodontal disease.  (need some time to get it on-line)



Reid Winick, DDS

www.reiddds.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:27:01 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Professional Education/Training



I'm looking for people who have had first hand experience with the Clayton

School of Natural Healing or the American Holistic College of Nutrition.



My sister (an RN) is considering enrolling in a home study course and is

looking for an appropriate school.  After checking the above colleges in the

Dir. of University's & Colleges, there may be reason to believe the above

named schools are less than reputable.  Supposedly, they are accredited

members of the World Association of Universities and Colleges, but after

contacting them, they refused to comment on the above schools!



Any input, or referral to other reliable correspondence courses, will be

appreciated.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:49:26 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Help w/presentation



In a message dated 96-02-20 04:24:58 EST, you write:



>Are there any other herbs that I

>can use for the congestion that will not raise my blood pressure? I have

>been given to understand that most antihistamines (commercial variety)

>have a bad effect on blood pressure, and the commercial nasal sprays are

>addicting, and even if they weren't their effects only last for an hour

>or so. I've been using a menthol inhaler, but it's starting to feel like

>it's burning my nose up.



I suffer mildly from allergies & congestion and I absolutely cannot take

synthetic antihistamines! You know how the package always cautions that the

preparation can cause drowsiness?  Not me! I feel like I'm on a runaway train

(sometimes with heart palpitations) and I can't wait for the stuff to wear

off! For a few years now I've been using a natural histamine inhibitor such

as chamomile (several cups of tea per day, or capsules) or one of the herbal

formulas found in health food stores & supermarkets - I use the brand

SunSource.  This formula is a homeopathic approach that includes Echinchea.

 I've had great success with this, even in the throes of peak allergy season.



>>The group, BTW, is gay-ish (about 50 per cent

gay, at any rate) and will likely be interested in AIDS related stuff.>>



I don't need to tell you that AIDS is a very complicated and baffling

disease, but there is some research material available which suggest

(although not conclusively) that there are some nutrional considerations

involved in studying those with immune disorders.  A John Hopkins study

published in 1993 involved 179 subjects - 126 of which tested positively for

HIV and 53 subjects who tested negative, but were at high risk.  It was found

that those who tested negatively had a 25% increase of vitamin A levels in

their blood than the positive group.  Additionally, the fatality rate of the

positive group was 6 times higher in those who were determined to be

deficient in vitamin A.  The optimum daily dosage for vitamin A is 5,000 IU.

 More than this can result in toxicity.



Carotenes are especially important in supporting the immune system, and have

little risk of toxicity as in over-dosages of vitamin A.  Other nutrional

considerations which depress the immune system, and suggest increased

susceptibility to AIDS and related complexes, is the indulgence in refined

sugars, free fatty acids, triglycerides, alcohol and caffeine. Also - the

frequent use of antibiotics in high risk groups can actually adversely affect

the immune system.



Unfortunately, for those already affected by AIDS, one of the most difficult

complications is the inability to properly absorb nutrients, usually due to

severe diarrhea.  There are also complications with the increased absorption

of antigens and bacterial toxins through the bowel caused by frequent anal

intercourse. But, traveling this road with your audience may suggest you are

addressing their sexual behavior.  It is worth noting however that those who

don't engage in this activity have much less susceptibility to HIV.



There are also many botanicals that support immune function.  One of those

often considered is purple coneflower (Echincea purpurea).  Several studies

indicate this plant is helpful in deterring the growth of herpes type

viruses, and in stimulating immune function.  However,  according to Michael

Murray, N.D. and Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., this herb has not been properly

studied for its efficay on AIDS patients, and may even have negative impact.

Their concern is that echincea has been found to stimulate T-cell production,

and laboratory research shows that T-cell stimulators can also help

proliferate the HIV virus.  Other botanicals currently being studied because

they boost the immune system and have an affect on microbial activity are:

 Goldenseal (which contains berberine, known to be antifungal & antimicrobial

- especially effective for patients suffering severe diarrhea); Osha root

(Ligusticum porteri); Liquorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra); and Polyporus

umbellatus (a fungus used in the traditional Chinese formula called zhu ling.



Here's an exciting tidbit reported by Andrew Weil:  It seems the Chinese have

been successfully experimenting with doses of garlic given introvenously to

patients with cryptococcal meningitis. The same researchers also conducted a

study with AIDS patients and compared introvenous garlic with the standard

synthetic antibiotic given (amphotericin B).  Supposedly, they report finding

the garlic more effective than the antibiotic and with less toxicity!



Hope you can find some of this useful. I'm not clear on what kind of

"presentation" you're doing, but good luck with it!  Aside from the physical

aspects of AIDS, it has such an emotional and sociological impact on us all.

 One of my favorite publishers is suffering from it now.  He follows a

regimen of herbal medicine and nutritional therapy and his doctor can't

understand why he's so well!



If you need further assistance, just send me a note.



Karyn Siegel-Maier

HerbalMuse@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:20:33 -0800

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Horsetail Research?

In-Reply-To:  <960219084311_426102997@mail06.mail.aol.com>



While Horsetail is not an herb for everyone to take regularly, and

osteoporosis clearly needs more than a single approach, horsetail can be a

good occasional source for calcium if you find it's profile to fit your

health needs.

           Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:22:46 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath (updated)



In a message dated 96-02-18 17:44:15 EST, you write:



>The Clayton School of Natural Healing & The American Holistic College of

>Nutrition in Alabama.

>Can be reached at 1 800 995 4590 to request a catalouge.  So far I have had

>excellent results dealing with them.  I also interviewed several people from

>many different states and ALL were pleased with the school  and their

>degrees.  One told me that because of her PhD. degree from the school she

>could now collect insurance in her practice.  Another stated that it took

>her six years to complete her degree, and when she went to finish the school

>told her that she needed additional courses and sent the material to her at

>no additional charge.



How ironic this is...I just posted this morning looking for folks with

experience with this school!  Apparently, this topic has been going on for

awhile...I apologize for not paying attention to it.



You say you've interviewed happy students?  Did they provide you with a list

of graduates, or did you seek them out yourself?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:53:56 GMT

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              <HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR>

Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Response: garlic & skin care



In message ID <960219142423_148080694@emout04.mail.aol.com> on 2/19/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: What places? Chinese Qi-Channel theory tells you alot about WHY acne is

: occuring (based on location of the outbreak). As with any chronic skin

: affliction, care should be taken not to simply silence the messenger.

: ********************************************************************

: ********* ***

: It tends to be accross the top of her chest and her upper arms.  Any

: suggestions.

:

: Paul B



So, that tells you that Heat is involved (Heat rises=upper body rashes). The

area indicated is the Lungs. Does she smoke or have other Heating habits?



And, no, someone with such a pattern should NOT use garlic (very Warming).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:54:39 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Coffee beans



In message ID <v02130502ad4e9e25ec9a@[134.121.231.111]> on 2/19/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: In my office where I work, several of us got into a coffee bean discussion.

: Can anyone tell me any positive or negative effects that drinking coffee

: freshly ground can have on ones body.  This is interesting...one lady

: claimed  "To put coffee grounds in her garden, to keep worms away", is this

: relevant?

: Any input as to the bad affects of caffeine also appreciated?



Chronic coffee consumption is one of the most hateful habits on the earth,

for urban dwellers at least. When people go off coffee, they cannot believe

the imbalancing effects they were enduring. Reliance on stimulants

essentially circumvents several critical cycles in our body, not to mention

in our spirit. You are living for today, but your spirit is not supposed to

be so short-sighted.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:54:28 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Help w/presentation



In message ID <96021916185210991@ncsl.org> on 2/19/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I had been using ephedra for my sinus congestion for years, but due to

: my blood pressure I now have to avoid it. This is not a sinus infection,

: just plain old rhinitis. (Which means that I'm allergic to particles of

: air, or at least it feels like I am!) Are there any other herbs that I

: can use for the congestion that will not raise my blood pressure? I have

: been given to understand that most antihistamines (commercial variety)

: have a bad effect on blood pressure, and the commercial nasal sprays are

: addicting, and even if they weren'tr effects only last forn ho: or so. I've

been using a menthol inhaler, but it's starting to feel like

: it's burning my nose up.



Because you're doing just that, and not just to your nose. What is the

DIAGNOSIS? Running nose? That isn't a diagnosis. You need to consider cause,

and cause is going to speak to herbal energetics. Why don't you try

peppermint tea?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:43:19 PST

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From:         Cafe Building 8 <cafe8@MICROSOFT.COM>

Subject:      FW: Circulation



----------



Any herbs that help blood circulation?



thx



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:41:00 PDT

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From:         Pat Patterson <PSP@LCE.OES.ORST.EDU>

Organization: Lane County Extension

Subject:      Re: Eating daylilies & calendula



We use the daylily buds in stirfries and tear up open petals for

salads. It is also good for dyeing. We use the petals of

calendula mostly in salads or floated on soups. Very elegant and

tasty.

Pat



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:23:19 -0800

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From:         mary kent <kentm@GRAYSON.EDU>

Organization: grayson.edu

Subject:      goldenseal



Hi- am new to this group, but have seen lots of discussion about

goldenseal, mostly with eccinaecia (sp?) Any way, I swear by the latter

but I tried adding goldenseal recently. I have hypoglycemia and I found

the goldenseal really did a number on my blood sugar- lowered it. Maybe

it's just me, but maybe others with the same condition should use caution

just in case.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:28:56 -0500

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From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Coffee beans



In a message dated 96-02-20 04:18:54 EST, you write:



>Can anyone tell me any positive or negative effects that drinking coffee

>freshly ground can have on ones body.  This is interesting...one lady

>claimed  "To put coffee grounds in her garden, to keep worms away", is this

>relevant?

>Any input as to the bad affects of caffeine also appreciated?



Hi Pamela,



I looked in several books focusing on natural healing, and only one mentioned

coffee in only a positive manner.  A second mentions coffee positively for

asthma, but negatively for four other ailments.



In USING PLANTS FOR HEALING, by Nelson Coon, states:



"Coffee contains the stimulant caffeine, which may be administered to persons

who have taken an overdose of barbituates or other sleeping potions.

 Naturally, it is used when one wishes to remain awake in emergencies."



This second book, I find too general in most areas, but thought I'd pass

along their, mostly unsubstantiated, opinions.  This is not to say I believe

they are in error, just that I, personally, would like to see more of the

evidence they quote.  THE VISUAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF NATURAL HEALING, by the

Editors of Prevention Magazine states:



[in reference to asthma]"...The caffeine in coffee is a natural

bronchodilator."  This has been suggested, to me personally, by a number of

contemporary MD's, as well.



However, the majority of reference to coffee/caffeine, in this book, is not

as positive.



[in reference to breast tenderness, esp during menstruation] "...Studies

suggest that cutting out caffeine might help you beat breast tenderness..."



[in reference to high blood pressure] "And what about coffee? Years ago

caffeine was suspected as a major cause of high blood pressure. there is

still a lot of debate; the latest evidence seems to show that switching to

decaf has just a minimal effect on your blood pressure."



[in reference to osteoporosis] "Heavy use of alcohol, caffeine, and salt have

been linked with osteoporosis; they may increase the amount of calcium lost

in the urine."



[in reference to tinnitus] "Caffeine is a more common culprit than many

tinnitus sufferers realize, hearing experts say."



Many nutritionalists, and most eastern practioners I have run across, are

strongly against the use of coffee.  Maybe Paul will have more on the

negative aspects of coffee.



I'm sorry I could not be of more help here.  As an avid coffee drinker

myself, I'm looking forward to what others have to say on the subject.



Mare



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:21:51 -0500

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From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      comfrey



Dear herblist,

         This came in on another list...thought you might have some input.



 I keep hearing that comfrey taken internally in quantity can cause

liver damage;  and gradual damage in minor quantities over time, as in tea.



Peace, Paula



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:04:10 EST

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From:         MRS MARY KAY ROBERTS <DQBL22A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Question



I have a question re: herbal soaps.

Can anyone help me regarding the process of herbal soap making -

instructions, sources etc?  Thanks for the help.  Mary Kay



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:54:38 -0800

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From:         Santa Barbara Middle School <niger@RAIN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea and Astragulus

In-Reply-To:  <9602151959.AA29210@i-2000.com>



Hello,

I just became a subscriber to this list and this is my first reply, so

here goes.  In response to a quite good herbal remedy for colds with

conjestion, I find Cyclone Cider to be effective.  You can make it

yourself by combining horseradish root, rosemary, thyme, cayenne pepper,

echinacea and garlic in organic, unfiltered apple cider vinegar.  Put all

fresh ingredients in a jar, fill to the top with liquid and let sit in

dark, cool place for 14 days.  It's potent!!! Take 1T.every hour.



On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Shoba Narayan wrote:



> At 01:42 PM 2/15/96 -0400, you wrote:

> >To get back to herbs, I've been taking Echinacea and Astragulus.

> >4 days of Ech then 4 days of Astrag for helping my immune system.

> >Can anyone give me any suggestions for any other herb that is

> >helpful to alternate with the Ech and Ast. so that I can increase

> >the lag time.

> >

>

> along similar lines, is echinacea good for common cold.  i feel a cold

> coming on and don't know what herbs to take to stop it.  i took a

> homeopathic combination of aconite and ignatia and that made it worse.  any

> remedies to prevent the common cold.

>

> my stuffed nose and aching limbs thank you.

> shoba

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:44:30 -0500

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From:         Judy Shaw <Silverwn@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Goldenseal/active ingredients



Vicki wrote:

>BTW, does anyone know if the leaves (of the gold thread) contain

>sufficient amounts of the active ingredients to be useful?



And it brought to mind a question I have...  Can someone recommend a good

book (or other source of info) that gives ingredients of herb plants along

with growing information.  I'm particularly interested in herbs of the desert

southwest.



Thanks in advance!

SilverWind@aol.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:26:12 GMT

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From:         lettitia Derrington <lettitia1@MDX.AC.UK>

Subject:      PMS



I don`t know if this has been discussed a lot before or not, but I would like

to hear of people`s experience of herbs and PMS. My herbalist told me that

he has found that belly dancing really helps, has anyone tried this?

Lettitia

Lettitia1@midx.ac.uk



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:23:30 EST

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From:         MRS MARY KAY ROBERTS <DQBL22A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Soaps and shampoos



now that I've found my sources and information on incense, I need

help for a friend of mine.  She is developing massive alergies to

just about anything she comes in contact with - soap - shampoo - etc.

 What are some good sources for herbal based shampoos and soaps (she

wants to make her own) as well as herbal perfumes.  She's getting

into the natural way now and not only wants natural products, but

wants to make things herself.  Can anyone help - instructions, places

to go for supplies and instructions, books, pamphlets etc.  Help!

Thanks, Mary Kay



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:26:29 -0500

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From:         CAROL CROSBY <GRCC1@DIN.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>

Subject:      Homeopaths in Denver, Colorado



I am hoping someone can help me.  My brother lives in Denver, CO and

has struggled in the past with chronic fatique but survived the

problems.  Recently, he started having problems with canker sores,

staph infections, tonsillitus and a physician is recommending the

removal of the tonsils.  I want to get him to a great homeopath as

quickly as possible and at the very least get his immunity system

boosted before surgery.  Anybody have any suggestions of any

great homeopaths in the Denver area?



Carol



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:55:47 -0500

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From:         Amy Parker <AParker286@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Evening Primrose Oil / Eczema



My ten year old daughter was diagnosed with eczema (extreme dry skin) two

years ago. I had developed chicken pox during my 1st trimester with her.  We

have experimented with medication and various hand/body lotions.  The

medication works but is expensive and I am concerned with its chemical

nature.  This winter, she has extremely dry patches on her hands and arms.

 We live in arid Utah and we have been running the humidifier non-stop.

 Today a clerk at our health food store suggested "cold pressed" softgel

Evening Primrose Oil.  I have searched several of my herb books and am

unabale to locate any information (i.e. conditions it helps, side effects,

etc.) and I am leary of giving herbs I am not familiar with.  Evening

Primrose Oil supposedly contains GLA (Gamma-Linolenic Acid), which the clerk

advised was lacking in eczema and psorisis patients.  I recently read a book

called "Healing Children Naturally" by Michael A Weiner, Ph D (Univ Of Ca)

and he suggested controlling eczema with eliminating certain foods from her

diet, (ie wheat and cow's milk products).  Has anyone tried any of these

measures?  Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks  Amy :-}



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:01:04 -0800

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From:         Eric Yarnell <yarnell@SCN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath (updated)

In-Reply-To:  <199602151528.HAA11166@wolfe.net>



Who are these programs accredited by?  Bastyr, National and Southwest

are accredited through the US Department of Education via the

Council on Naturopathic Medical Education (CNME), which as far as I know

is the only way schools can be accredited.  In other words, I doubt

this accrediting is legitimate, but I could be wrong.



The ANMA lobbied recently to abolish the CNME, which seems to me

like they are rather opposed to accreditation via legitimate routes.



One other point:  I don't think this whole money argument really holds

water.  Should surgeons be able to get mail order degrees just because

they don't want to spend the money to go to a proper medical school?

I don't think ND licenses (by the way, as far as I know, no ND who got

a mail order degree can be licensed in any state because all the licensing

laws stipulate graduation from an accredited school; there are some

grandparent clauses allowing NDs who have been practicing since schools

existed to be licensed though I think) should be given out just because

someone can't afford to go to school.  It is a hardship to pay so much

money but to have people's health at stake, one must be well trained I

believe.



Eric Yarnell



On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Jerry Jackson wrote:



> By the way several courses by mail are also accredited schools and the

> graduates are eligible to be members of the American Naturopathic Medical



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:54:02 -0800

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From:         Eric Yarnell <yarnell@SCN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath

In-Reply-To:  <199602151447.GAA08502@wolfe.net>



I simply cannot accept some of these arguments.  NDs in my opinion

should have education equivalent to that of an MD to be able to diagnose

illness.  I believe one crucial part of that ability is to have gone through

the experience of dissecting cadavers, obviously impossible via the mail.

The other thing which is impossible through the mail is to have clinical

experience with supervision.  I therefore do not think any mailorder so-

called naturopath is legitimate as a licensenable health care practitioner.

I am not saying they can't help people.  I am only saying I cannot

accept them as being on the same level as an ND trained at an accredited

school and therefore should call themselves something else.



Having an education from Bastyr or any of the other accredited naturopathic

schools does not guarantee that someone will be a competent physician,

any more than going through an MD medical school guaranteeing the production

of competent MDs.  However, I think there is much less chance of someone

getting a mail order degree without supervised clinical experience and

so forth being able to be a physician at all.



The AANP is not solely funded by Bastyr; I'm not sure if it is at all.

Most of its money comes from dues from members, less than half of whom

are Bastyr graduates, miscellaneous donors, and natural products companies.

It is a professional organization and not some kind of puppet of Bastyr U.

I have volunteered at the AANP so I have seen how it works.



Thank you for your comments.



Eric Yarnell



On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Jerry Jackson wrote:



> Eric,

>

> I know that you have invested much time and money going to an accredited

> (Bastyr) school.  However, I do not feel that you should not consider those who



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:18:47 -0800

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From:         Eric Yarnell <yarnell@SCN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath (updated)

In-Reply-To:  <HERB%96021611400475@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



NDs cannot be licensed having obtained their degree from any correspondence

school, is my understanding, regardless of previous degrees.

I question the existence of any "good" correspondence schools.

Osteopathy is a particular branch of what is called "allopathy" (mainstream

medicine, personified by MDs mostly) by homeopaths (mostly a pejorative

term I think).  It was a system initially involving joint manipulations

not entirely unlike chiropractic, but eventually many DOs gave this up

in order to gain prescriptive and surgical rights like MDs.  Paul Starr's

_Social Transformation of American Medicine_ gives some more information.



Osteopathy is an entirely different branch of medicine from naturopathy.

Initially osteopathy included a certain element of supporting natural

healing processes, but this has been gradually eroded to nothing for most

DOs practicing today.



This is only a brief reply, I am far from an expert on osteopathy.



Eric Yarnell



On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Jamey Larimer wrote:



> If one becomes an allopath or osteopath, can one be licensed ND through

> a good correspondence school?   (To add legitimacy for mundanes ;)

>

> Also, could someone tell me the difference between osteopathy and allopathy &

> osteopathy and naturopathy.  Thanks in advance.

>

> Rick Larimer

> MD2B

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:44:11 -0800

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From:         Eric Yarnell <yarnell@SCN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath

In-Reply-To:  <960215090548_423233248@emout05.mail.aol.com>



In fact, many naturopathic practitioners do perform invasive procedures,

such as drawing blood, giving IV treatments (including of purified herbal

extracts), ozone therapies, colonics, enemas, etc.  Merely because a

procedure is invasive does not preclude it from the scope of naturopathic

practice.



Eric Yarnell (ND Candidate, Bastyr University)



On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Bernadette Brumfield wrote:



> Sorry, the definition of a Naturopath Practitioners is one who supports the

> body and min's natural healing systems through techniques that are considered

> in harmony with natural process.  Naturopathic practitioners do not practice

> invasive  treatments. They are trained however to refer individuals to other

> health practitioners, when homeopathic approaches may not be the best

> choices.  We treat the whole person in relationship to diets genetics etc.

> and we support the prevention techniques.

> I suggest that you go to a quality medical school if you want to practice

> medicine, before you do harm to the entire Naturopathic practice.  We are not

> orthodox medical doctors (M.D.)  nor desire to be so.   Bernadette





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sun, 25 Feb 1996 21:57:49 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      ADMINISTRATIVA - new rules of the game - inofficial of course



Hi folks, we've been thru a silent period, during which I thought about

doing something about the lousy noise ratio.



It's time for a set of rules by which we play the medicinal herblist game;

if you don't agree with me tell me so; if enough of you do I'll revoke this

message and unsubscribe from the medicinal herblist.



Here's the rules:

-- flames should NOT be followed up to the list

-- ads should NOT be followed up to the list

-- off-topic posts should NOT be followed up to the list

-- anyone wishing to react to above can do so BY PRIVATE EMAIL - and

   anyone receiving reactions is welcome to react to these in his/her

   turn BY PRIVATE EMAIL.

-- before sending something to the list ask yourself if your comment is

   something 700+ people would want to read - 'me-too' -kind of replies

   are NOT welcome, abrasive posts are NOT welcome, questions that

   have been covered three times in the past month are NOT welcome,

   SBGA and kombucha are NOT welcome (these last two generate way too

   much noise), NO MLM is welcome.

-- the list is down now and then - it's part of the setup. Nothing to

   fret about, it'll be up again sooner or later.



Here's some helpful administrative details:

-- if you wish to unsubscribe here's the how-to:

 -  First try the following:

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     1. Send this:

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   Now look at the email address listed under your name (alphabetical by

   last name).

   Then change your computer's 'from' and 'sender' fields so that you'll

   send the following message from _exactly_ the same address. If you can't

   do that ask your sysadmin. If you don't have any ask a computer wizard

   near you.

     2. Send this:

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 - If that doesn't work I've got the address to the listowner but let's

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-- if you wish the digest form of the herblist send this to the listserver:

   text: SET HERB DIGEST

-- the archives of the herblist are available on my WWW page (edited), or

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tidy and GOOD medicinal herblist.



If you have any further helpful comments on how to clean the list let

me know; I mean to post this once or maybe twice a month, and smart and/or

funny additions are welcome.



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:56:42 +1100

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From:         Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      China bayles



Does anyone know the name of the USA publisher pf the China bayles mysteries?



I call the weeds flowers and save a  lot of work .

Michael Bailes.The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:47:33 +1100

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Pain Relievers....



>In message ID <199602190023.RAA01308@henge.com> on 2/18/96,

>HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:

>

>Someone said, relative to fibromyalgia:

>

>: For symptomatic treatment of the pain, you might try

>: something like a tea with cinnamon bark.



For symptomatic treatment of the pain Chilli might also be useful.

Opium poppy seed pod latex is also very effective. :).



I call the weeds flowers and save a  lot of work .

Michael Bailes.The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 24 Feb 1996 21:27:22 EST

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From:         Dawn <GRLANGLE@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU>

Subject:      Beta blockers



Does anyone know if beta blockers (and I am not sure what they are) can

be found in herbs? Or are there any herbs that render similar effects of

beta blockers?



Dawn



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:39:04 -0500

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From:         robert f cunningham <robertf@SOHO.IOS.COM>

Subject:      retina



On dec 22 i had a surgical operation on my eye for a detached retina. On

Mar 14 another operation is to be done on the same eye for "puckering and

scar tissue". To help the eye heal i understand eyebright can be used. I

would appreciate suggestions on other herbs or sources on eye care. Thanks



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:13:04 -2400

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From:         Jody Duncan Abdelilah <jabdeli@ITSA.UCSF.EDU>

Subject:      http://www.tile.net/tile/listserv/herb.html



I am trying to locate a good herb reference book for use in the clinical

setting. The ideal book would address dosage, effect, indications and

contraindications.  If any one can suggest a good reference I would be

grateful.  Include Book name, Author, Publisher and year of book



I thank you in advance.



Jody Abdelilah

jabdeli@itsa.ucsf.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:40:27 -0500

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From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      catsclaw



Hello Herblist,

        Is catsclaw of any use for upper respiratory infection or sinus

infection? What is the Latin name?

I had never heard of using it.



Peace, Paula>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 24 Feb 1996 08:24:44 EST

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         "Robert L. Lamons" <rlamons@PEN.K12.VA.US>

Subject:      tennis elbow

In-Reply-To:  <64745470.8818110@pop.com>; from "Paul Iannone" at Feb 2,

              96 7:05 pm



I posted this once before and tried some of the options I was

given but nothing has worked.  I have a case of tennis elbow

(lateral epicondylitis) I have tried

homeopathics(ruta,hpericum,bellis,sulfur)nothing seems to work.



I tried DMSO which helped a bit in the beginning but not much

anymore.  I have more pain at night.  I feel better when the

arm is flexed.  I like to rub it or massage it.  No noticable

change when heat or cold is applied.  What can I do?



I would like to know what chi I have messed up, what to take

orally and what to use topically.  What changes in diet might

help.  I am(was)and active 39 yearold male, great health, heavy

weightlifter(240lbs).  I think thisaggrivation came from a

change in lifting technique but has blossomed on it's own.



Paul, I always trust your comments but would like everyone's

input.  This thing is getting me down.

--

*******************************************

I love learning, but I hate being taught! *

Bob Lamons-Annandale High School, Va.     *

rlamons@pen.k12.va.us                     *

rlamons@jei.umd.edu                       *

*******************************************



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:30:27 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Eric Yarnell <yarnell@SCN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath (schools)

In-Reply-To:  <199602182320.PAA04742@wolfe.net>



I would strongly urge anyone considering these programs to investigate them

from many angles.  I personally believe that what they are doing is illegal

and also dangerous.  ND degrees from Clayton are not the same as those

from accredited, four year, resident programs and do not allow one to

become licensed as an ND in any state that I'm aware of.  I fear that peopl

with "ND" degrees from these places are diluting the efforts of people

spending the time and effort necessary to become legitimate diagnosing

physicians and thereby bring natural medicine back into the mainstream.



Eric Yarnell



On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Jerry Jackson wrote:



> I have had many private requests for this information.  So I will post it

> for all.

> The Clayton School of Natural Healing & The American Holistic College of

> Nutrition in Alabama.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:56:46 +1100

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From:         Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Re: Herbs in Literature



>I am looking for any contemporary literature that references herbs as part of

>the storyline.   For example, Ellis Peters' mysteries about Brother Cadfael,

>or Susan Wittigs' mysteries.

>

>I know about those and some other books, as well, but I'd like to know if any

>of you have come across additional literature.  This includes children to

>adult level stories.

>

>Also any herbal lore stories would be greatly appreciated as well, especially

>Native American.

>

"The Ghost of Thomas Kempe"

is a great read about the ghost of a medieval herbalist who haunts a young boy.

Very funny

Can I have a copy of your list when you finish?



I call the weeds flowers and save a  lot of work .

Michael Bailes.The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:26:15 -0500

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From:         Sonya Weidner <Witchme@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Pain Relievers....



What I was told when I was diagnosed (after three long years of being told I

was making it up) was that because I had done extensive damage to my body, I

had developed a muscle disorder that does not usually occur in women until

the age of 35 or later.  (I showed signs at 13).  I do about 20 hours of

physical therapy a week, and am working to lose some extra weight that I have

picked up along the way.  Unfortunately, if I lose more than about 4 pounds a

month, I experience increased pain.  So my weight loss is limited.  I damaged

my body competing in Judo and basketball while young, and because I was

diagnosed long after showing symptoms, no one told me I couldn't do those

things anymore until it was too late.  I was already hypermobile, and I had

hyperextended pretty much every joint in my body.  Since then, I've been in

an accident in which my sternum was fractured, and the fibromyalgia has

settled into my chest now, causing even more intense pain.



Of course, this now makes it impossible for me to buy health insurance, so my

options  medically are limited.  I try to eat healthy and have greatly

reduced the stress in my life.  Unfortunately, to lower the stress any

farther, I would have to quit working, and I refuse to do that.



I've tried different creams, etc., that you can buy on the market, but they

haven't done any good.  Not even icy/hot can releive the pain.  It gets a

little frustrating sometimes.



I really dislike taking the medication they prescribe me, because it makes me

mentally and emotionally uncomfortable.  Unfortunately, everyone I have

consulted has told me the same thing.... aside from the therapy and stress

reduction, there is nothing else they can do but issue pain medication.  And

I HATE fogging my mind.



If you know anyone in the Washington, DC area, please let me know!!!



Thank you!



sonya



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:25:06 -0500

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From:         Paul Byers <KAByers@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Help w/presentation



In a message dated 96-02-20 04:24:58 EST, you write:



>I have been asked to moderate a discussion centering on alternative

>forms of healing (alternative, that is, to the standard allopathic

>medical practices.) I'm not a particularly well-versed herbalist, but I

>do use certain things on a fairly regular basis, so I feel confident in

>western herbalism. I know nothing about eastern herbalism, and even less

>about some of the other (non-herb) forms of alternatives.



***********************

One good place for alternative forms of healing is th AHPA (Alternative

Health Professonals Association) you can reach them by e-mail at

AHPA1@aol.com



Paul B



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:34:57 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Propagating Kiwi



I just finished a book entitled "Growing Plants from Seed" by Doc and Katy

Abraham.  This book explains how to start kiwi. 1) Spoon seeds from a kiwi

and spread onto wax paper. 2) Let the seeds dry out for a few days. 3) Plant

in individual pots of sterile mix. 4) Water. 5) Cover with a plastic wrap. 6)

Put in refrigerator for four to five weeks, checking occasionally to make

sure soil stays moist. 7) After five weeks move to a warmer area (like the

top of a refrigerator. 8) Transplant to bigger pots when they reach two

inches.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:35:23 +0800

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From:         Chris Utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: Desert herbs etc.



> Can someone recommend a good

>book (or other source of info) that gives ingredients of herb plants along

>with growing information.  I'm particularly interested in herbs of the desert

>southwest.

>

>Thanks in advance!

>SilverWind@aol.com



Not much on growing but, an excellent book to read is Gathering the Desert

by Gary Paul Nabhan (Univ. of Arizona Press;1985). It won the John

Burroughs Medal for outstanding nature writing and chronicles many plants

considered desert herbs along with desert ethnobotany. Besides it's just a

great book.



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:02:51 -0500

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From:         ANDREW STRASFOGEL <astrasfo@WO0033WP.WO.BLM.GOV>

Subject:      Re: Eating daylilies & calendula - Reply



<< I am told that the little "plug" at the stem end of the daylily flowers

should be removed as they are bitter.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:30:43 CST

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From:         Adrienne <ASOBARR@SAMFORD.EDU>

Organization: Samford University

Subject:      Re: Evening Primrose Oil / Eczema

In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:55:47 -0500 from

              <AParker286@AOL.COM>



I have been taking EPO for the past 6 months and I would exhort you to

not worry that it is going to hurt your child.  It is wonderful, you feel

better, you have more energy and its great for you.  There are other

supplements out there that are high in gamalinoleic acids (borage seed

oil, lecithin, etc) that are also very good.  When you take EPO you should

take Vitamin E w/selenium also take a good B complex, for some reason that

makes it work better.



Good luck,



Adrienne



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:41:32 -0600

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From:         Susan Braastad <SNB@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>

Subject:      HERB SUBSTITUTE FOR RITALIN



Hello folks.  My son is a bit drifty n school so of course he is labeled

as having ADD (Attention Defecit Disorder).  Has anyone heard of an herbal

substitute for Ritalin which seems to be the drug o choice - it is a mild

Central Nervous System stimulant.  More imortantly, has anyone had good or

bad experiences with these herbs?

I have read just a tad about an antioxident called Pycnogenol which is

supposed to be used in Europe a lot, any info on this?

Thanks for your help.

Sue



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:26:25 -0800

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From:         Sheila Foster <foster@ENGR.CSULB.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food

In-Reply-To:  <960219130612_225837253@emout10.mail.aol.com>



I am reallyinterested in trying daylilies, but always fear getting the

wrong plant. Could someone give the scientific name that I could take

to a nursery.



TIA,



Sheila Foster



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:26:53 EDT

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From:         Kami Convery <converyk@ADMIN1.DOWLING.EDU>

Organization: Dowling College

Subject:      Combining Herbs



I am interested to know if one should be careful when taking a couple

different herbs for different symptoms.  (I guess it matters WHICH ONES

they are?)  ex. echinacea and valerian and yarrow.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Kami Convery

ConveryK@Dowling.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:45:10 -0800

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From:         Saphire Mann <saphyra@ARTEMIS.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food



>I am reallyinterested in trying daylilies, but always fear getting the

>wrong plant. Could someone give the scientific name that I could take

>to a nursery.



Greetings,



I'm also interested in wild foods (as distinct from, or in addition to,

herbs; i.e. miner's lettuce, cattails, goldenrod, etc.). Although I've

found a couple books on it, the tough part is the identification in the

wild. Anyone seen any GREAT books, or can you direct me to a 'net reference

site?



I'm in California, so a book on plants local to New Hampshire wouldn't be

on my list <g>.



Thank you kindly,



...Saphire



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:00:29 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: Herb substitutes for ritalin

Comments: To: SNB@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU



At 09:41 26.02.96 -0600, SNB@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU wrote:

>Hello folks.  My son is a bit drifty n school so of course he is labeled

>as having ADD (Attention Defecit Disorder).  Has anyone heard of an herbal

>substitute for Ritalin which seems to be the drug o choice - it is a mild

>Central Nervous System stimulant.  More importantly, has anyone had good or

>bad experiences with these herbs?

>I have read just a tad about an antioxident called Pycnogenol which is

>supposed to be used in Europe a lot, any info on this?



This is from the paracelsus list on the subject:



>From: herbs@got.net (Roy Upton)

>Subject: Re: ADD

>

>>Hello fellow Paracelsians,

>>

>>Does anyone know of any viable substitutes for Retalin for ADD?  I have

>>heard of a substance called Pycnognal.  Are there any other substitutes

>>for taking Retalin?  How long does a person need to take Pycnognal in

>>order for it to take effect?

>

>I have seen at least 70 children weaned of Ritalin. I usually recommend

>weaning off of Ritalin for a 2-3 week period, while administering the

>herbs. Usually, the program consists of dietary modification, exercise, and

>nutritional and herbal supplementation. Though treatment is similar,

>diffrentiate between ADD and ADHD. ADD might be a direct result of

>under/poor nourishment. The brain is the most energy intensive organ of the

>body. If the body is deprived of energy, the brain is first to suffer. In

>ADHD there is often a rapid heart beat that may have varying  underlying

>causes such as specific allergies.

>

>Dietary

>* Elimination of most simple sugars including fruit juices, foods with

>colors and preservatives. Concentrate on a whole foods diet.

>

>* Magnesium supplementation. Dosage based on weight, age of child.

>

>* I have used a combination of the following herbs with significant success

>(according to parents and teachers): Chinese zizyphus, chamomile, lemon

>balm, catnip, hawthorn berry, and gotu kola flavored with cinnamon, anise,

>and a touch of cloves. Usually this is prepared as a glycerite extract

>(approx. 1:3-1:5 concentration). 20 drops 2-3 daily. I alternate this with

>Hawthorn berry syrup, 1 tsp 2 x daily.

>

>* Exercise is a must for ADHD.

>

>In Germany, Chamomile tea, and small doses of valerian root are utilized.

>

>I think it is important to note that ADD and ADHD is one of the most

>frequently diagnosed conditions in children, and that is rising

>dramatically, much to the concern of many practitioners who feel that the

>diagnosis is handed out much too casually. I believe the makers of Ritalin

>have done an excellent job of marketing. There have been a series of

>articles (and a few books) I have seen over the past number of years on the

>need to provide a "proper diagnosis" of these children rather than labeling

>them as 'bad". Teachers have become the prime target for providing the

>initial grounds for diagnosis. Oftentimes, a child will be diagnosed in

>kindergarten or early grade school and not adequately reassessed for a

>number of years.  The inherent problem in both of these is obvious. I also

>do not  believe the diagnosis should be made until all lifestyle protocols

>(including supplementation, diet, exercise, etc.) have been attempted and

>failed.

>

>I am of the firm belief, from many of the parents that I have seen, that it

>is often the parents that primarily require the help, the children

>secondarily. This is especially true of ADHD. Relative to the energy levels

>of the majority of exhausted, "burned-out at the end of the work day"

>parents, the majority of children are "hyperactive". We try to force them

>to be little adults before they have developed the coping mechanisms or

>social skills we design to stifle their natural impulses. We expect them to

>sit still when they have boundless physical energy. We ask (tell) them to

>pay attention to educational materials that mean little to them. This is an

>indictment of our education system as well.

>

>Also, the typical American child is raised on nutritionless foods,

>challenged with  numerous stresses, and spends an average of six hours a

>day in front of the television, when they should be expending the physical

>energy. While I believe that medicating, especially with amphetamines, is

>beneficial for some, by-and-large, it should be a last resort.

>

>I hope this is of some help.



Forwarded to you by Henriette

--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:05:10 -0500

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From:         "Paula B." <yogt@INTERSOURCE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food



Hi Sheilia and list,

      Hemerocallis is the daylilly family that is etible. There are

literally thousands, however, the wild ones along roadsides were the

original etibles. I enjoy Lemon Lilies (Hemerocallis) and old strain that is

light yellow in color and smells like lemon and has a pungent lemon taste. I

would not use dark colored ones only because the color bleeds and dyes

finers and hands plus any other food that might be cooked with it. As for

choices, I recommend a reblooming variety (so that it can produce

repaeatedly and supply lots of flower/food. i've been known to chomp a few

raw while working in the garden without cooking them at all.



Peace, Paula



>I am reallyinterested in trying daylilies, but always fear getting the

>wrong plant. Could someone give the scientific name that I could take

>to a nursery.

>

>TIA,

>

>Sheila Foster





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:58:49 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: goldenseal

In-Reply-To:  <312A65F7.3ACD@grayson.edu>



 Re the person who was asking about Goldenseal lowering blood sugar.

Well it's a common enough occurance that I've seen it happen several

times over the years and generally advise my students that it  is one of

the many side effects of Goldenseal. There is an abundance of

anti-infective herbs out there, probably another would do better in your

case.          Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:03:49 -0500

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From:         Robert L Dyer <DYERMULE@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Soaps and shampoos



Try 'Dermahealth Soap'  from Wisdom of the Ages, 1 800 947-6417.

Robert Dyer

dyermule



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:18:04 -0600

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From:         Mary Ann Gareis <mgareis@WARRIOR.MGC.PEACHNET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Coffee



I also have been reading the coffee discussions with interest.  Pardon me if

I'm wrong, but isn't the problem the caffeine in coffee, or is there

something in coffee that makes it much worse than other caffeinated

beverages like tea.  I genuinely like the tast of coffee; but per doctor's

orders and also because I know excessive stimulants are never a good thing,

I drink primarily decaf; is that bad too?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:40:06 -0500

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From:         phylis austin <medpa@EMORY.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food

In-Reply-To:  <199602261644.IAA18096@zNET.com>



  I'd suggest that you contact Outdoor Eduquip, 42832 Knoll Road,

Oakhurst, CA 93644 and request a book list.  They have an extensive

selection of books on edible wild plants, wilderness survival, and even

some edible plant slide sets and videos.



Regards, Phylis Austin



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:14:24 -0800

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From:         Colette Gardiner <coletteg@EFN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: PMS

In-Reply-To:  <96021612261188@mdx.ac.uk>



On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, lettitia Derrington wrote:



> I don`t know if this has been discussed a lot before or not, but I would like

> to hear of people`s experience of herbs and PMS. My herbalist told me that

> he has found that belly dancing really helps, has anyone tried this?

> Lettitia

> Lettitia1@midx.ac.uk

>

 Belly dancing greatly tones all the abdominal muscles includung the

uterus,which in a indirect manner can benefit the entire menstrual cycle.

Belly dancing also will help with increasing local circulation to the

ovaries and uterus, more blood flow to these organs means better hormonal

message relay to and from the glands in the brain which are part of the

hormone regulatory process.

   However in many cases other factors need to be addressed as well,

diet, not just taking away foods that can be hard on the body, but

actually making sure you have the proper nutrients at the proper time in

the cycle can also make a difference (maybe I'll do a blurb on this for

the FAQ) and last but not least sensible support of the liver is strongly

reccomended since the liver is the organ responsible for breaking down

hormones. Good luck  Colette Gardiner



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:25:13 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Professional Education/Training



At 11:27 AM 2/19/96 -0500, you wrote:

>I'm looking for people who have had first hand experience with the Clayton

>School of Natural Healing or the American Holistic College of Nutrition.



I have not had problems with these schools.  Before I enrolled, I called

people around several states and asked their opinions.  Everyone was pleased.



>My sister (an RN) is considering enrolling in a home study course and is

>looking for an appropriate school.  After checking the above colleges in the

>Dir. of University's & Colleges, there may be reason to believe the above

>named schools are less than reputable.  Supposedly, they are accredited

>members of the World Association of Universities and Colleges, but after

>contacting them, they refused to comment on the above schools!



Who did you call.  The accrediation office or the schools?





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:42:25 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: PMS



Best herb I have found for PMS/painful periods is Red Raspberry Leaf.  Get

it in bulk (not bags) and drink 3 cups daily.  For some they see results in

one month, others take a few months.  After your PMS / painful periods

improve, you need only drink the tea starting one week prior to starting.

(This is an herbal answer only.  There are other considerations (diet, rest,

exercise, etc. that you need to consider also.)



Sherlei



At 12:26 PM 2/16/96 GMT, you wrote:

>I don`t know if this has been discussed a lot before or not, but I would like

>to hear of people`s experience of herbs and PMS. My herbalist told me that

>he has found that belly dancing really helps, has anyone tried this?

>Lettitia

>Lettitia1@midx.ac.uk

>

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:40:32 -0500

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From:         "F. Alex Hamill.User." <Leaflight@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: http://www.tile.net/tile/listserv/herb.html



Response to question of good reference book:

take a look at The Honest Herbal: a sensible guide to the use of herbs and

related remedies. 3rd ed  by Varro Tyler, PhD  Pharmaceutical Products Press,

an imprint of the Haworth press, INc.  New York (1993) ISBN 1-56024-287-6.



Pharmacy students at my school all get this to keep in their office for

reference if someone comes to them for advice on an herbal prep.  Good

references for each entry are given.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:09:18 -0500

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From:         Terri Segal <Mainecoone@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Help for 'spider' veins



Hello,

I'm hoping that someone out there has advice on how to get rid of and prevent

spider veins.

I am 28yrs old, healthy, take a good multi vitamin (I also take C with

bioflavinoids, 200IU E with selenium, biotin, horsetail silica, garlic,

alfalfa and zinc),drink lots of water, I walk 3 miles every other day, and do

weight lifting (50 to 60lbs max since I'm not into building bulk) 2 or 3

times per week.

The spiders have increased in quantity over the past year and they are mostly

on my thighs and shoulders.   I've heard that one should not lift weights if

prone to spiders?

The veins are hereditary (my mother and sister have them).

I have tried calendula tincture in spray and cream forms.

I've seen a cream (promising 2 weeks to a spider free body) named Derma

something or other that costs $20.00 for 2oz and its main ingredient is

vitamin k.

I've read a lot about vitamin K and are a bit afraid to take it internally.



Does anyone know of herbs or any other treatment for spiders?



Thanks,

Terri



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:07:22 -0800

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From:         Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food



>I'm also interested in wild foods (as distinct from, or in addition to,

>herbs; i.e. miner's lettuce, cattails, goldenrod, etc.). Although I've

>found a couple books on it, the tough part is the identification in the

>wild. Anyone seen any GREAT books, or can you direct me to a 'net reference

>site?



Wild Edible Plants by Kirk is a standard for edibles that will cover

California, although there are other good ones. Kirk makes only a few

questionable entries.



Check out my net site for checklists of Oregon and California plants with

notes on edibilities .... Check the Herbal Apprenticeship program link from

my home page below.



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 00:35:04 -0700

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From:         Puanani DeLara <puanani@MICF.NIST.GOV>

Subject:      Herbal Diet Aid Question



Hello everyone,

My mother recently purchased a product called Dr. Lao's Slim for Life.

She told me it contains:

Hawthorn leaf

Gum Tragacanth

Japanese Bistrort (sp?) root

in a capsule form.

She says she lost 5 lbs the first week but then her stomach started to

bother her and she quit taking it.( I've told her the only way to lose wt.

sensibly was to eat less and exercise) My questions is, can anyone tell me

what the effects of these herbs (and combination of) have on a person. I

really worry about that she will make herself ill with these so called diet

aids.

Thank you so much,

Puanani



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:53:08 -0500

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From:         Patrick Alessandra <Aprioripa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Back Flower remedies



Hi,



Does anyone have a thorough reference for the Bach flower remedies (either

book or on the www) and their astrological/psychological associations?



Shanti,

Patrick



Email:  aprioripa@aol.com

WWW:  http://users.aol.com/psychosoph/esopsych.html



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:37:06 -0500

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From:         Patricia Harper <HarperP@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: tennis elbow/pain relief



Dear Bob and Sonya,



Sometimes the bitterest pill to take is none at all. The only cure I know of

for tennis elbow, is "tincture of time." Do not lift. Avoid all activities

that stress your arm. Take up jogging for a while instead, or better yet,

take up reading. Give your body time to heal. Perhaps not an easy

prescription to meet, eh?



In the meantime, try the following on a daily basis for 2--4 weeks:

Internally, try eating a lot of oatmeal. Oats are very supportive to the

muscles, joints and nerves and are traditionally used to heal and strengthen

the body. I would take gruel or decoction of comfrey root. (The FDA questions

the safety of Comfrey used internally, so I won't go so far as to recommend

it, however, I consider it safe and would personally not hesitate to use lots

of it.)



Externally, Comfrey can be applied as a poltice to the elbow: Make a thick

decoction of chopped root, spoon onto a dishtowel, fold, and wrap around your

elbow. You may wish to research the risks, or FDA's opinion, on DMSO, (which

you mentioned that you are using anyway), but it is an excellent carrier to

bring herbs into the body. To use, mix the strained comfrey decoction 50/50

with DMSO and massage into the joint.



You may wish to also try Chamomile (an infusion, used as above, and drunk as

tea) to heal the nerves.  St. John's Wort, not homeopathic hypericum, but an

herbal oil or liniment, externally (tincture or tea internally) can be very

effective in rebuilding the damaged nerves. It does take time.



These are supportive therapies, not instant cures. The Oat and Comfrey

treatments are intended to accelerate the healing of muscles, bones and

joints by helping your body rebuild the damaged tissue. The Oats, Chamomile

and St. John's Wort are intended to help rebuild and strengthen the affected

nerves.



For pain, in addition to over-the-counter and prescribed drugs, you may wish

to try one of the following topical, essential oil treatments for temporary

relief:



Oil of Wintergreen: This old-fashioned treatment is basically topical aspirin

(do not use if you are allergic to aspirin). Avoid touching eyes and mucus

membranes after application.



1 TBS Olive Oil with: 5 drops each of Roman Chamomile, lavender and bergamot

(These are expensive to buy, you may be able to find a local aromatherapist

who will compound it for you for much less than the cost of stock bottles.)



By the way, someone mentioned (with a smiley face) using opium poppy latex

for pain. In the United States, it is a felony to score poppy heads in order

to obtain latex, so beware of neighborhood busybodies if you try this. Even

if the product is obtainable, it will probably be more constipating than pain

relieving--ask your doctor for Codeine if you want to use an effective,

opiate pain-killer.



Good luck.



Patricia Harper

harper p@aol.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:21:37 -0500

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From:         deborah lynn kasarda <dkasarda@INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Evening Primrose Oil / Eczema

In-Reply-To:  <960223005546_229202389@emout08.mail.aol.com>



On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Amy Parker wrote:



> My ten year old daughter was diagnosed with eczema (extreme dry skin) two



> called "Healing Children Naturally" by Michael A Weiner, Ph D (Univ Of Ca)

> and he suggested controlling eczema with eliminating certain foods from her

> diet, (ie wheat and cow's milk products).  Has anyone tried any of these

> measures?  Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.



Amy,

        I saw a holistic physician a few years back for a severe stomach

ailment.  We discovered that I have allergies to several kinds of foods,

most importantly, dairy products.  I also have a skin condition-mostly

on my legs-that causes severe itching and leaves areas of hyperpigmentation.

I'm not sure that it is eczema but my doctor assured me that consuming

dairy products would cause flare-ups of this condition.  Dairy products

cause allergies and wreck havoc on many people with different negative

effects.  You could try eliminating the dairy for a while to see if

there is any improvement.  That's what I did to positively confirm

the connection to the dairy and the itching.

        Hope this helps,

        Debbie

        dkasarda@indiana.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:20:24 -0600

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From:         "Fran E. Rich" <frich@TENET.EDU>

Subject:      Re: China bayles

In-Reply-To:  <v01510100ad518b1b1d68@[203.7.181.29]>



On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Michael Bailes wrote:



> Does anyone know the name of the USA publisher pf the China bayles mysteries?

>

> I call the weeds flowers and save a  lot of work .

> Michael Bailes.The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

> Australia

>

Berkley Publishing Group

200 Madison Ave.

NY, NY 10016



She also has a neat quarterly newsletter which has anecdotes about the

(fictional) Myra Merryweather Herb Guild and the antics of its members,

an article written by her (fictional) friend and neighbor Ruby Wilcox,

who owns the Crystal Cave, and ordering info for her own and other herb

books. For those interested, it is $12 US, $15 Canada, $20 International

Postal Money Order for elsewhere. Order from China's Garden, PO Drawer M,

Bertram TX 78605.



And she's coming to speak to our local herb society in June!!



Fran



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:54:09 -0500

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From:         deborah lynn kasarda <dkasarda@INDIANA.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Coffee

In-Reply-To:  <51486.mgareis@warrior.mgc.peachnet.edu>



On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Mary Ann Gareis wrote:



> I also have been reading the coffee discussions with interest.  Pardon me if

> I'm wrong, but isn't the problem the caffeine in coffee, or is there

> something in coffee that makes it much worse than other caffeinated

> beverages like tea.  I genuinely like the tast of coffee; but per doctor's

> orders and also because I know excessive stimulants are never a good thing,

> I drink primarily decaf; is that bad too?

>

        I have the same question - is there something else in coffee

that can cause problems besides the caffeine.  I have recently given up

coffee for the second time because of stomach problems caused by it

(nausea, cramping etc.) Also, after the effects of the initial stimulation

wear off, I feel so tired and rather bad all over.  I don't have this

problem with Coke or tea (with caffeine).  Are there other substances

found in coffee beans that could be doing some harm?

        Debbie

        dkasarda@indiana.edu



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:53:20 -0700

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From:         Sheila Sanders <sasanders@DNS.MCN.NET>

Subject:      Re: retina

In-Reply-To:  <v01510100ad54df0d19fa@[169.132.51.100]>



On Sat, 24 Feb 1996, robert f cunningham wrote:



> On dec 22 i had a surgical operation on my eye for a detached retina. On

> Mar 14 another operation is to be done on the same eye for "puckering and

> scar tissue". To help the eye heal i understand eyebright can be used. I

> would appreciate suggestions on other herbs or sources on eye care. Thanks

>



I have had detached retina surgery and had a resultant puckering which

"ironed" itself out.  I have been using both eyebright and bilberry.  I

have found that bilberry has worked better for me . There are combination

eye formulas available that combine several eye related herbs.  You will

have to try them out and see which ones work better for you.



S. Sanders

sasanders@mcn.net



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:57:24 -0500

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From:         Larry Barrick <barrick@AHCBSD1.OVNET.COM>

Subject:      Re: tennis elbow



>I posted this once before and tried some of the options I was

>given but nothing has worked.  I have a case of tennis elbow

>(lateral epicondylitis) I have tried

>homeopathics(ruta,hpericum,bellis,sulfur)nothing seems to work.

>

>I tried DMSO which helped a bit in the beginning but not much

>anymore.  I have more pain at night.  I feel better when the

>arm is flexed.  I like to rub it or massage it.  No noticable

>change when heat or cold is applied.  What can I do?

>

>I would like to know what chi I have messed up, what to take

>orally and what to use topically.  What changes in diet might

>help.  I am(was)and active 39 yearold male, great health, heavy

>weightlifter(240lbs).  I think thisaggrivation came from a

>change in lifting technique but has blossomed on it's own.

>

>Paul, I always trust your comments but would like everyone's

>input.  This thing is getting me down.



Bob

I am a Sports Massage Therapist and have worked with tennis elbow many times.

If you are still lifting you are not letting the problem heal. give it time.

If you are not  interested in seeking a sports massage therapist here are some

things to try.



1. ICE bag for 10-15 min. or freeze water in a cup then tear part of cup off

   and massage area with ice bar 5-7 min. try this 2 times a day for 3 days.



2.  Next with finger tip rub gently over the tender area for 2 min after 2min

   you may rub a little harder for 8-10 min. then ICE every other day til

   tenderness becomes less.

3. Then use a medium rubberband put it around the outside of your fingers and

   spread fingers expanding ruberband 12-15 timer and repeat 3 timer. There

   should be no strain or pain in elbow or forearm. If there is user smaller

   rubberband. then ICE.



If you did not notice always ICE no heat unless you use contrasting baths

the 1 min ICE 5 min heat nad repeat 3-5 times always end in ice.

This is to increase circulation to remove swelling.



Check out herbs like horsetail and comfrey.



L Barrick

email: barrick@ahcbsd1.ovnet.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:53:46 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath



Most of the students at the Clayton School of Natural Healing and the

American Holistic

College of Nutrition are taking courses to be a consultant/nutritional

counselor (such as author Dale Figtree Ph.D., book title "Eat Smart"), and

not a practicing ND.  However, there are quite reputable persons  (Linda

Rector-Page, author of Healthy Healing and owner of Crystal Star Herbal

Products) who are using their ND degree (from Clayton's) to help provide

valuable information to people.  Yes, I would agree with you that to be

one's primary physician one should have much learning and experience.  I

would think most people would not attempt to be a persons sole medical

provider without the proper wisdom.  However, if they did, it would be up to

the patient to stop seeing that particular person - and then file a

complaint if they so desired - (whether ND or MD and find one more

competent).  Several of the people who wanted information on these schools

already had some type of medical degree (nurse, etc.).  I feel that for

those who are already in the medical profession, that Clayton's would be an

asset.  For those who are not (have no medical knowledge) Clayton's has even

more to offer.



At 10:54 PM 2/23/96 -0800, you wrote:

>I simply cannot accept some of these arguments.  NDs in my opinion

>should have education equivalent to that of an MD to be able to diagnose

>illness.  I believe one crucial part of that ability is to have gone through

>the experience of dissecting cadavers, obviously impossible via the mail.

>The other thing which is impossible through the mail is to have clinical

>experience with supervision.  I therefore do not think any mailorder so-

>called naturopath is legitimate as a licensenable health care practitioner.

>I am not saying they can't help people.  I am only saying I cannot

>accept them as being on the same level as an ND trained at an accredited

>school and therefore should call themselves something else.



 Clayton's does make an internship program available to students.



>

>Having an education from Bastyr or any of the other accredited naturopathic

>schools does not guarantee that someone will be a competent physician,

>any more than going through an MD medical school guaranteeing the production

>of competent MDs.  However, I think there is much less chance of someone

>getting a mail order degree without supervised clinical experience and

>so forth being able to be a physician at all.

>

>The AANP is not solely funded by Bastyr; I'm not sure if it is at all.

>Most of its money comes from dues from members, less than half of whom

>are Bastyr graduates, miscellaneous donors, and natural products companies.

>It is a professional organization and not some kind of puppet of Bastyr U.

>I have volunteered at the AANP so I have seen how it works.

>

>Thank you for your comments.

>

>Eric Yarnell



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:23:20 -0500

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From:         Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: China bayles



Michael, China Bayles mysteries published by Charles Scribner's Sons,

Rockefeer Center, 1230 Avenue of the Americas, NY, NY 10020  or contact Susan

Albert directly at  PO Drawer M, Bertram, TX 78605......she can wholesale

them too.



Maureen



The Herbal Green Pages



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:16:41 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Pterocarpus marsupium



In studying about diabetes I came across a reference to the herb Pterocarpus

marsupium.  It is apparantly an Indian (INDIA) herb.  I would like to know

more about the herb such as common names, uses and preparation and dosages.

A source for  purchasing the herb would be good too.  I would like to hear

from persons who have successfully reversed adult onset diabetes.

Thanx. Anita



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 02:58:34 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: tennis elbow



In message ID <199602241324.IAA73163@pen2.pen.k12.va.us> on 2/24/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: I posted this once before and tried some of the options I was

: given but nothing has worked.  I have a case of tennis elbow

: (lateral epicondylitis) I have tried

: homeopathics(ruta,hpericum,bellis,sulfur)nothing seems to work.

:

: I tried DMSO which helped a bit in the beginning but not much

: anymore.  I have more pain at night.  I feel better when the

: arm is flexed.  I like to rub it or massage it.



If it feels better from movement, you might try Rhus.



: No noticable

: change when heat or cold is applied.  What can I do?

:

: I would like to know what chi I have messed up, what to take

: orally and what to use topically.  What changes in diet might

: help.  I am(was)and active 39 yearold male, great health, heavy

: weightlifter(240lbs).  I think thisaggrivation came from a

: change in lifting technique but has blossomed on it's own.



Injuries which like rubbing (adding Qi) are depletion injuries, unless

constant, urging movement of the joint is needed (which is Stagnation). Worse

at night implies Yin depletion, very commonplace in weight lifters who also

feel hot a lot (lifting harms the Kidney); but it could also be Stagnation

due to less movement. If externally applied heat and cold don't affect the

pain, that suggests the presence of Wind--is there numbness also? And if the

person doesn't feel hot and shows no particular signs of exhaustion, then

Blood deficiency could be a concommitant (though weightlifters usually have

high protein, heavy diets), and sleep problems going back several months

would be expected.



Failing all that, you don't say how long the complaint has lasted. It is

entirely possible to injure an elbow and suffer from it for several months.

It is often the case that a sling is needed. Just on general principles, I

would recommend a liniment like White Flower Oil (though it will 'antidote'

homeopathics). Do you have problems with your shoulders, neck tension, or

headaches? Grind your teeth at night?



: Paul, I always trust your comments but would like everyone's

: input.  This thing is getting me down.



I can imagine.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:18:51 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbal Pain Relievers....



At 02:26 PM 2/21/96 -0500, you wrote:  (snip)



> Since then, I've been in an accident in which my sternum was fractured,

and the fibromyalgia has settled into my chest now, causing even more

intense pain.

>

>>I really dislike taking the medication they prescribe me, because it makes me

>mentally and emotionally uncomfortable.  Unfortunately, everyone I have

>consulted has told me the same thing.... aside from the therapy and stress

>reduction, there is nothing else they can do but issue pain medication.  And

>I HATE fogging my mind.



There is a really good booklet on the market ($3.95 US) titled:



" Malic Acid and Magnesium for Fibromyalgia and Chronic Pain Syndrome."

ISBN 0962591459 (can be ordered from):

Pain & Stress Therapy Center

5282  Medical Drive, Suite 160

San Antonio, Texas 78229-6043   USA



Recommendations from this book (summarized):  (get the book for complete info)



1)      Malic Acid Plus formula contains malic acid, magnesuim, boswella

with B6 and chromium.     Four capsules provide 1200 mg of malic

acid, 300 mg magnesuim and 300 mg boswella.     This is sufficient

for most FM patients.  If additional malic acid is needed, it is available

in 600  mg capsules.



2)      Magnesuim.  SlowMag is a timed release magnesuim chloride.

Recommended amount:   Four to six Slow Mag per day divided in

addition to magnesium in Malic formula.  Decrease  the number if

loose stool.



3)      Vitamin C 3000 to 5000 mg per day.  (Ester C).



4)      AM-PM Plus GABA.  4 capsules per day, divided.



5)      Boswella - take with food.  For pain use 1 to 2 capsules.  Make sure

the boswella contains  50% Boswellic acid.



6)      Mobigesic (a combination of magnesuim salicylate and an

antihistamine.  Especially useful in  muscle contraction headaches.

Use as needed.  Mobisyl (an analgesic creme) is helpful for  sore,

tired muscles.



7)      Manganese Picolinate.  One 15mg capsule per day.



8)     Tyrosine 850 (non-essential amino acid).  Helpful with depression

when taken in doses of  500 - 2000 mg per day, divided. ( NOTE:

Do not take tyrosine or phenylalanine with MAO or  tricyclic

antidepressants.)



9)      DLPA 750.  A mixture of 50% L-phenylalanine and 50 %

DL-phenylalanine.  Helps to reduce pain and helps with depression.



10)     Chromium Picolinate.



Hope this helps!





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:21:26 -0800

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From:         Dorene Peterson <australasiancollege@HERBED.COM>

Subject:      Re: http://www.tile.net/tile/listserv/herb.html



>I am trying to locate a good herb reference book for use in the clinical

>setting. The ideal book would address dosage, effect, indications and

>contraindications.  If any one can suggest a good reference I would be

>grateful.  Include Book name, Author, Publisher and year of book

>

>I thank you in advance.

>

>Jody Abdelilah

>jabdeli@itsa.ucsf.edu



Jody I use "Herbal Drugs and Phytopharmaceuticals"

A handbook for practice on a scientific basis.  by Max Witchtl



edited and translated from german by Norman Grainger Bisset



Publishers medpharm Scientific Publishers

avail in USA through HERBBOOKS@AOL.COM



Goodluck Dorene Petersen australasiancollege@herbed.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 21:20:34 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food



To Sheila Foster and others wondering about the scientific name of daylilies

Hemerocallis fulva, and its many cultivars (over 10,000 now).



Peter A. Gail, Author, The Delightful Delicious Daylily: REcipes and More.

Goosefoot Acres Press, P.O. Box 18016 Cleveland OH 44118.



Provide snail mail address for a free copy of my column on daylilies from The

Business of Herbs.  Order line for daylily book: 800-697-4858



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:17:50 -0500

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From:         Grandma MettaSong <MettaSong@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: comfrey



Greetings Paula,

anything taken in overdoses can cause problems, as with allopathic medicines

or herbs one must use caution.



To quote from  Petersons Field Guide Eastern/Central Medicinal Plants  pg11,

"Basil Comfrey and Sassafras are some herbs taht have come under fire lately

for containing potential carcinogens. An article published in Science (Ames,

et. al., 'Ranking Possible Carcinogenic Hazards', 17 April 1987, vol. 236 pp.

271 -280)  puts these carcinogens inproper perspective. A cup of confrey leaf

tea was stated to be about 1/100 as carcinogenic for its symphytine as a can

of beer was for its ethanol. A gram of basil was 1/28 as carcinogenic for its

estragole as the beer was for its ethanol. A sassafras root beer now banned

by our FDA, was 1/14 as carcinogenic for its safrole as the can of beer for

its ethanol."



It goes further to state that all herbs or plants possess potentialy

dangerous components, and we must use everything with reason and caution.

 There are approxamately 10 deaths a year from accidental use of herbs,

compared to 6,000 deaths from pharmacuetical/doctor/hospital induced

accidents, alcohol 100,000 and tobacco 300,000.

Grandma MettaSong



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Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:17:42 -0500

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From:         Grandma MettaSong <MettaSong@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: PMS



Angelica and evening primrose oil are both execelent, but you need to combine

specific vitamins and minerals and change your diet to accomplish optimum

results.

At the health food store you should be able to find Natures Plus,  Evening

Prim Rose Oil Complex combining pacific herbs, vitamins, minerals and emzynes

for PMS. Also just after your moon, take Dong Quai and continue until just

before your next moon. Do not take during your moon. Dong Quai is

encapsulated by Natures Way. Grandma MettaSong



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:59:22 EST

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From:         BOB SCOTT <URWD77A@PRODIGY.COM>

Subject:      Bath Salts



My wife and I would like to know how to make BATH SALTS. I bought her

some for Valentines Day and she loved them. If any one has any

recipes please send them. Do you use sea salt? What other additions?



     TIA



                   Bob Scott urwd77a@prodigy.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:29:12 -0500

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From:         Lorna Peterson <MDCfish@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Natural perfume



<I need help for a friend of mine. She is developing massive alergies to just

about> <anything she comes in contact with - soap - shampoo - etc. What are

some good> <sources for herbal based shampoos and soaps (she wants to make

her own) as well> <as herbal perfumes.>>



It's very easy to make herbal perfumes. One way is to mix about 15 drops of

esential oil (any kinds you like, a create your own scent kind of thing) with

four ounces of distilled water. You might want to varry the amount of water

because some oils are stronger than others. This makes a very nice perfume

spray, but it's not as long lasting as comercial brands. You might want to

carry some arround in case it wears out.



You can also make a cream perfume with essential oils, beeswax, and almond

oil. You want to melt the wax and add an equal part of almond oil. Be careful

melting, wax CAN catch fire. After that, put the essential oil in the

container for the perfume. Pour the wax/oil mixture on top and let it cool. I

hope this works out for you.



Fish



Get up, sweet Slug-a-bed, and see

The dew bespangling herb and tree.

                                 Herrik



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:09:20 -0700

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From:         John <john@DIGITALAIRE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Goldenseal/active ingredients



>Vicki wrote:

>>BTW, does anyone know if the leaves (of the gold thread) contain

>>sufficient amounts of the active ingredients to be useful?

>

>And it brought to mind a question I have...  Can someone recommend a good

>book (or other source of info) that gives ingredients of herb plants along

>with growing information.  I'm particularly interested in herbs of the desert

>southwest.



Michael Moore's Medicinal Plants of the Desert and Canyon West



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:51:59 -0500

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From:         "Kenneth C. Keppel" <kck@MINDSPRING.COM>

Subject:      facial masques



Does anybody have any good recipes for masques that can be made with things

around the house?  Thanks

Denise



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:46:47 -0700

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From:         Robert Wesley <shaolin@HENGE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Help w/presentation



At 10:49 AM 2/20/96 -0500, you wrote:

>In a message dated 96-02-20 04:24:58 EST, you write:

>

>>Are there any other herbs that I

>>can use for the congestion that will not raise my blood pressure? I have

>>been given to understand that most antihistamines (commercial variety)



I'm interested in a statement you make above about the possibility of

T-cell stimulators actually helping to proliferate the virus.  Do you have

any more information about this?  I have an AIDS patient coming tonight to

the student clinic at my school to see if we can boost his T-cell count

enough for him to take chemotherapy for his Kaposi's sarcoma.  Should I have

second thoughts about this treatment strategy?



Robert Wesley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:19:30 -0500

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From:         Mary McKim <HeWuhti@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Soaps and shampoos



In a message dated 96-02-26 06:29:46 EST, you write:



> What are some good sources for herbal based shampoos and soaps (she

>wants to make her own) as well as herbal perfumes.  She's getting

>into the natural way now and not only wants natural products, but

>wants to make things herself.  Can anyone help - instructions, places

>to go for supplies and instructions, books, pamphlets etc.  Help!

>Thanks, Mary Kay

>

>



Hi Mary Kay,



Try THE NATURAL SOAP BOOK - MAKING HERBAL AND VEGETABLE-BASED SOAPS, by Susan

Miller Cavitch  ISBN 0-88266-888-9 (pbk)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:04:40 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Sore Throats



In message ID <960220221327_427631079@emout05.mail.aol.com> on 2/20/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Since I am just know starting to even understand herbs I have a question

: about Magnolia bark.  Can I actually get this from any Magnolia tree or

does

: it have to be a certain one.



There are 80 species in the genera. But if you are referring to Magnolia

officinalis, the common magnolia, then, yes, you can. It still doesn't mean

it is appropriate to your particular presentation!



On a side note, the flower is quite useful as a milder Warm Aromatic to Dry

Dampness herb. Second side note, the herb 'magnolia flower' in Chinese

herbalism is from a different, more aromatic, species.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:20:45 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Evening Primrose Oil / Eczema



At 12:55 AM 2/23/96 -0500, you wrote:

>My ten year old daughter was diagnosed with eczema (extreme dry skin) two

>years ago. I had developed chicken pox during my 1st trimester with her.  We

>have experimented with medication and various hand/body lotions.  The

>medication works but is expensive and I am concerned with its chemical

>nature.  This winter, she has extremely dry patches on her hands and arms.

> We live in arid Utah and we have been running the humidifier non-stop.

> Today a clerk at our health food store suggested "cold pressed" softgel

>Evening Primrose Oil.  I have searched several of my herb books and am

>unabale to locate any information (i.e. conditions it helps, side effects,

>etc.) and I am leary of giving herbs I am not familiar with.  Evening

>Primrose Oil supposedly contains GLA (Gamma-Linolenic Acid), which the clerk

>advised was lacking in eczema and psorisis patients.  I recently read a book

>called "Healing Children Naturally" by Michael A Weiner, Ph D (Univ Of Ca)

>and he suggested controlling eczema with eliminating certain foods from her

>diet, (ie wheat and cow's milk products).  Has anyone tried any of these

>measures?  Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

>

>Thanks  Amy :-}

>

(Amy, I found these earlier and am sending them your way)



(snip)

Calendula oil would be a good choice for dry skin. A cream using

calendula and lanolin should be absorbed by your skin pretty well.

Calendula officinallis, common name: marigold, that's the English version

though, not the French one that is in most gardens.



As for a good soap...All my itches and rashes [soap caused] and 'winter

skin' went away when I started using Simmon's Soap.  Its all natural,

made in small batches by people who have allergies and sensitive skin.



Simmons Handcrafts

42295 Highway 36

Bridgeville, CA  95526

(707)777-1920  M-F  9am-5pm PT



Write or call for a catalog.  Tell them I sent you.  You won't get a

discount & I won't get a commission.  I'm just a very satisfied customer.

Their Cocoa Butter Creme might help your dry hands too.

(end)

(new snip)(another I found)

The word dermatitis can mean a lot of things.  The body does not just up and

break out for no reason.  It is in reaction to something.  Find out what is

causing the reactions if it is contact type.. or internal.. ( for contact

look at things like.. your dish and laundry soap...bath soap./.perfumes,

dyes, fabrics..(wool etc..) or just plain old stress.



The second would be to use fresh aloe juice on the skin.  Aloe loves all

skin and does not really care what is causing the trouble.  It will endeavor

to deal with it.  There are also many good blood purifiers as most rashes (

if they are not due to contact with the offending substance ) are due to

inside problems.  Good herbs to try inside are:



yellow dock

yerba mate

nettles

sasprilla

sassafrass

burdock

echinaciana ( cone flowers)

borage



Any one or more of the above mixed in equal amounts teaspoon each is good.

Then take a teaspoon out of the mix and make tea.  Steep for 10 min. and

drink three times a day...



For bathing the skin plain sea salt is a wonder a good hot bath make you

sweat...and eliminate toxins on a daily basis.. should be of help....and an

over all diet....that contains very little red meat or overly processed

food... simple is better...lots of fruit.. and fish.. is great...As much

water as you can gulp down.. the more the better.. it will help wash out the

toxins that are creating the problemwhen the body raises a red flag..(

literally) its trying to tell you something is wrong....

(end snip)



I did not have luck with other lotions, and was allergic to cortizone creams

(did not want to take anyway).  I started on Flaxseed Oil with my salads,

(one or two tsp.) and Evening Primrose Oil, and this formula.  I also

checked for food allergies and ate garlic in case there was something else

going on.  (There usually is if your skin is very dry or rashy).



It is a little work, but really seems to work!



To 4 ounces of crushed or powdered Burdock seeds (not the root), add 2

quarts distilled water.  Boil slowly for 30 minutes, strain and reduce to

one pint.  Add 8 ounces of glycerine when cool (I use vegetable glycerine

from the health food stores, cosmetic section?).  Shake together.  Bottle

and keep in a cool place.   May be taken internally: dose for very young

children, from 5 - 10 drops in water.  Dose for adults:  One tablespoon

in a little water, 3 or 4 times a day between meals.  Children from 8 -

15 years, one teaspoon.  (I found I did not need to use this internally.)

For external application use formula undiluted or diluted with equal

parts of water.



I had a difficult time finding burdock seeds so I modified - and used a

extract called Burdock Blend from Herb Pharm in Williams, OR  97544. ( I

found this at my local health food store).  Anyway, I used 1/2 ounce

extract and mixed it with two ounces of water.  To that mixture I added

approx. one ounce vegetable glycerine.  I apply it like a moisturizer.

Works like a charm! The very next morning I saw a difference. It does

sting the first time that it is used.  Not after though. If there is pus

involved you may also add a garlic mixture to this and then apply.  I

tried garlic oil plain and did not like the smell and it really stung!

Garlic mixture: To eight ounces of expressed fresh garlic juice, add 8

ounces of glycerine and mix thoroughly.  To this add one pint of the

burdock mixture.  Saturate lint or cotton and apply to the affected

parts.  Cover with wax paper or plastic, and bandage or strap on

securely.  Change 2 or 3 times a day.  May take internally also.



You may want to check for allergies, both environmental and food.



Sharing what has finally worked for me  :-)  I found this formula in a book

called

" Advanced Treatise in Herbology" by Dr. Edward E. Shook.



Hope this helps!  (The seed formula will work best!)

Sherlei





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:21:41 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Evening Primrose Oil / Eczema



In a message dated 96-02-26 06:23:36 EST, you write:



>My ten year old daughter was diagnosed with eczema (extreme dry skin) two

>years ago. I had developed chicken pox during my 1st trimester with her.  We

>have experimented with medication and various hand/body lotions.  The

>medication works but is expensive and I am concerned with its chemical

>nature.



Several herbal essential oils are effective on eczema, they are:  bergamot,

carrot, chamomile, geranium, myrhh, rosemary, liquorice.



You also mentioned a concern with diet.  Often exzema can be triggered by

food allergies.  Your physician can help you with food screening, probably by

using the RAST test.  Otherwise, herbal supplements that are commonly given

are liquorice root, burdock root, and evening primrose.  All of these are

sold as capsules in health food stores & pharmacies.  Don't worry about

toxicity with these herbal supplements - you'd have to work pretty hard to

make your daughter sick with them!



>>Today a clerk at our health food store suggested "cold pressed" softgel

Evening Primrose Oil.  I have searched several of my herb books and am

unabale to locate any information (i.e. conditions it helps, side effects,

etc.) and I am leary of giving herbs I am not familiar with.  Evening

Primrose Oil supposedly contains GLA (Gamma-Linolenic Acid), which the clerk

advised was lacking in eczema and psorisis patients.>>



I don't know about that, but I know that 99 eczema patients showed

significant improvement with the use of evening primrose oil in a double

blind study at the St. Thomas Hospital in 1981.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:04:12 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: goldenseal



In message ID <312A65F7.3ACD@grayson.edu> on 2/20/96, HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

wrote:



: Hi- am new to this group, but have seen lots of discussion about

: goldenseal, mostly with eccinaecia (sp?) Any way, I swear by the latter

: but I tried adding goldenseal recently. I have hypoglycemia and I found

: the goldenseal really did a number on my blood sugar- lowered it. Maybe

: it's just me, but maybe others with the same condition should use caution

: just in case.



An example of the axiom that Cold herbs weaken digestion.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:11:44 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Alnus cones - uses



'lo folks,



an olde Finnish woman showed me the 'cones' of Alnus glutinosa

and said an infusion of 10-15 of these (2 dl water, 10 minutes,

gathered in winter - that's now) would take care of even a bad

inflammation of the upper intestine in three days.



I was intrigued, so I went thru my books. Interesting to see that

leaves and bark are used in the West, but Russians use mainly

the cones, and scarcely mention the rest of the tree. Here's

what's in those Russian books:



A.M. Rabinovitch: Lekarstvennie Rastenija SSSR (Medicinal plants

of the SSSR):

A.glutinosa, A.incana:

You gather the fruit (cones). They contain tannic acid to 2.5

percent and gallic acid to 4 percent.

Make a tincture, fluid extract, infusion or decoction.

Use as an adstringent in acute and chronic enteritis,

enterocolitis, dysentery, and colitis.



T.A.Gorbunova: Letchenie Rastennijami - retsepturnij spravotchnik

(don't ask):

Alnus incana, A.glutinosa:

Used are cones, bark and leaves, sometimes the roots. Cones are

gathered in winter (until March) from the branches; don't pick

fallen cones. Dry in 50-60 deg.C; stability 3 years.

Astringent, hemostatic, diaphoretic, antimicrobial, will kill

amoebas, will lessen a tendency to develop allergies.



Now I'll just go get some; anyone want a part of the next fad

herb? ... I hear it even tastes bad ;) ... and anyone have some

more information on the use of Alnus cones?



Henriette

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 06:42:44 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Professional Education/Training



In a message dated 96-02-27 21:55:11 EST, you write:



>>My sister (an RN) is considering enrolling in a home study course and is

>>looking for an appropriate school.  After checking the above colleges in the

>>Dir. of University's & Colleges, there may be reason to believe the above

>>named schools are less than reputable.  Supposedly, they are accredited

>>members of the World Association of Universities and Colleges, but after

>>contacting them, they refused to comment on the above schools!

>

>Who did you call.  The accrediation office or the schools?



Sorry...I didn't make that clear did I?  My sister made a call to the World

Assoc. of Universities & Colleges, and they refused to comment on the Clayton

School.  I don't know why they wouldn't comment, but it doesn't leave one

with a comfortable feeling about the school.  Although, I have to say that

all the responses I've received from the list regarding the school have been

fairly positive.  Maybe the person at the other end of the phone was having

an "off" day...



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:01:57 -0800

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From:         Saphire Mann <saphyra@ARTEMIS.ORG>

Subject:      Re: growing information (was Re: Goldenseal/active...)



>>And it brought to mind a question I have...  Can someone recommend a good

>>book (or other source of info) that gives ingredients of herb plants along

>>with growing information.  I'm particularly interested in herbs of the desert

>>southwest.

>>

>>Thanks in advance!

>>SilverWind@aol.com



Richard Mabey's "New Age Herbalist" has a great section on companion

planting, soil and site selection, planning a garden, starting them:  with

drawings and layouts. I like the text - informative.



Rodale's "Illus. Encyclopedia of Herbs" includes a longer list of specific

herbs and their cultivation needs, plus a list of common diseases and pests

with control tips, and a Hardiness Zone Map. The Zone Map would help you

zero in on your area I'd think. Also a list of herbs that grow well in sun

vs shade. I don't like the text here so much, but it's got great charts and

lists (tools basically).



If others have any serious caveats about the above, please say so.



...Saphire



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 22:35:10 -0800

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From:         Susan Battle <sbattle@AGORA.RDROP.COM>

Subject:      Tennis Elbow



Someone on another list I'm on extolled the effectiveness of nutmeg oil

for tennis elbow.

Susan

sbattle@agora.rdrop.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 22:20:13 -0800

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From:         Susan Battle <sbattle@AGORA.RDROP.COM>

Subject:      Soaps and shampoos



I am an herbal soapmaker. I also teach soapmaking here in Portland, OR.,

and I second the recommendation of Susan

Cavitch's book. I have all the soap books I could find, and this one is

the most complete.

Another place to look for basic soap instruction is at:

http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant/makesoap.html

This is free information by Elaine White who has also written a

soapmaking book, which is great. This web site should give you all the

info you need, unless you become hooked on soapmaking. I know I did. I

love every bar that I make, it's hard to choose.

No relation to above people, etc. I just love soapmakinging.

Susan

sbattle@agora.rdrop.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:56:31 +1100

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From:         Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Druids Herbal



Does anyone know the name of the USA publisher of "A Druid's Herbal" by

Evert Hopman?



I call the weeds flowers and save a  lot of work .

Michael Bailes.The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:42:28 +1100

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From:         Michael Bailes <frgntgar@OZEMAIL.COM.AU>

Subject:      Australian Chilli Festival March '96

Comments: To: chile-heads@bunny.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu



 Here is some info on our Chilli Festival. Last year we had about 5,000

chilli heads turn up!! We were stunned at the amount of interest in this

herb.

Chilli Festival March '96

Saturday March 9,     Sunday March  10

9.30-10.30am

The 70 Chilli Varieties Grown at The Fragrant Garden: a workshop

Morning Tea

Tantalising the Taste Buds

11-12 am

Chilli Massage-proffer any part of your anatomy which might benefit.

12. noon

Victor Pisapia, chef at the famed "Rattlesnake Grill:" "The Chilli as

Condiment" - a cooking demonstration and tasting.

Lunch

A chilli smorgasbord. HOT!!! and cold chilli in wondrous variety

1.30pm

"Chocolate and Chilli - the magic combination. "Victor Pisapia



2-4pm

Chilli Massage & Chilli Medicine

2-3pm

"All you ever wanted to know about growing Chillies"-  a question and

answer session.

2.30pm

The Fairy Godmother will entertain the children with a specially written

Chilli story.

Afternoon Tea

3.15pm

Lip, sip, suck and Chilli Tequilla for the Brave.

(to be confirmed)

The Fragrant Garden  Portsmouth Rd.,  Erina.  Phone (043) 677322. Fax (043)

65 1979

* A gold coin donation to Erina Bush Fire Brigade would be appreciated*



I call the weeds flowers and save a  lot of work .

Michael Bailes.The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

Australia



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:18:48 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Eating daylilies & calendula - Reply



The little plug on the end of daylily buds may or may not be bitter, as may

the buds themselves, depending on variety.  We don't take them off, and

generally don't notice any bitterness, with the Stella d'oro (yellow flowered

daylilies) which we prefer in cooking.  Rule of thumb is that yellow flowers

are the sweetest and tastiest, with the flowers/buds getting more bitter as

one moves toward the red end of the spectum.  The red pigments are the bitter

ones.



Peter Gail



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:09:47 -0500

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From:         Pamela Beard <Qenime@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Herbs in Literature



In a message dated 96-02-26 20:03:57 EST, you write:



>

>>I am looking for any contemporary literature that references herbs as part

>of

>>the storyline.



The "Earth's Children" series by Jean M. Auel, which includes "Clan of the

Cave Bear", "The Valley of Horses", "The Mammoth Hunters", and Plains of

Passage" is the story of a prehistoric woman who is a healer and describes

very well the use of herbs, including gathering and preparing them.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 22:48:03 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Daylily as food



Paula, Sheila and all



Family is Liliaceae, genus is Hemerocallis, wild type species is mostly

fulva. The rest are varieties, cultivars, what ever you want to call them.

 The rest of the post is right on, particularly about the wonderful yellow

flowers.  There is nothing like buds of the yellow Stella d'Oros a day or so

before opening, picked and eaten raw right out of the garden.



Peter Gail, author, The Delightful, Delicious Daylily.  Goosefoot Acres

Press.

Call or give snail mail address for a free copy of my Business of Herbs

column on daylilies.  (216)932-2145.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:07:05 GMT

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: Coffee



In message ID

<Pine.HPP.3.91.960227114747.17345A-100000@hamlet.ucs.indiana.edu> on 2/27/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



:        I have the same question - is there something else in coffee

: that can cause problems besides the caffeine.  I have recently given up

: coffee for the second time because of stomach problems caused by it

: (nausea, cramping etc.) Also, after the effects of the initial stimulation

: wear off, I feel so tired and rather bad all over.  I don't have this

: problem with Coke or tea (with caffeine).  Are there other substances

: found in coffee beans that could be doing some harm?

:         Debbie

:         dkasarda@indiana.edu



Coffee is really, really, GREASY.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:56:43 -0800

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From:         Ken Fitch <docfitch@TELIS.ORG>

Organization: InterScapes

Subject:      Re: Bath Salts



Here is my recipe for bath salts.  It is simple and great:



Mix 2 cups Borax, 1/8 cup Sea Salt, and 1/8 cup White Clay together.

Use a fork or fingers to thoroughly mix.  Shake in about an ounce of

essential oil.  Cover with a cloth for at least an hour.  Mix the

bath salts again to distribute the oil.  Store in glass.



I hope you enjoy.  You can experiment with various essential oils,

or pick up a book on aromatherapy for some recipes.



Ken



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:49:09 -0500

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From:         "Kenneth C. Keppel" <kck@MINDSPRING.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bath Salts



At 07:59 PM 2/26/96 EST, you wrote:

>My wife and I would like to know how to make BATH SALTS. I bought her

>some for Valentines Day and she loved them. If any one has any

>recipes please send them. Do you use sea salt? What other additions?



My recipe is

 1 cup rock salt

1 table spoon gylerine

scent (I use vanilla extract, out of the cabinet)

coloring



mix coloring, scent and salt together.  Add gylerine and dit uncovered for

one day.



There is a recipe for Bath Crystals that use Sea Salt, I'll look it up.



Denise



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:42:52 -0500

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From:         "Kenneth C. Keppel" <kck@MINDSPRING.COM>

Subject:      Re: HERB SUBSTITUTE FOR RITALIN



At 09:41 AM 2/26/96 -0600, you wrote:

>Hello folks.  My son is a bit drifty n school so of course he is labeled

>as having ADD (Attention Defecit Disorder).  Has anyone heard of an herbal

>substitute for Ritalin which seems to be the drug o choice - it is a mild

>Central Nervous System stimulant.  More imortantly, has anyone had good or

>bad experiences with these herbs?

>I have read just a tad about an antioxident called Pycnogenol which is

>supposed to be used in Europe a lot, any info on this?



I am  ADD.  And I know from experience that students are mislabeled, get

the school to dignose him first before worring about medicience.  The

difftness can be anything from having a learning disability to being bored.



That said, I recommend the fiengold diet instead of  drugs.  This is taking

out things that upset the balance and make it hard to stay focused.  I'll

try to find the number to call.  When ADD is the worst I take chamomile and

increase the exercise.



Personally, I find the trend to medicate troubling.  It is saying that you

must stay on our level, be intrested in different things, when we say it is

ok.  Medicience never worked on me, and I like the fact that I have alot

that I'm intrested in.



Denise



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:16:31 -05:0

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Comments:     Authenticated sender is <ksscjw@pop.fast.net>

From:         Colleen Warmingham <ksscjw@FAST.NET>

Subject:      Re: PMS



I, too, have found that raspberry tea helps; although I don't consume

anywhere near as much as Sherlei recommends.



In general, I have found decaffinated (preferably herbal) teas help.

I think it has something to do with the warm liquid.  It helps relax

me, reducing the stress of the pain.  But coffee, with or without

caffeine, is always a bad idea for me.



Colleen

Lehigh Valley, PA

zone 6



> Best herb I have found for PMS/painful periods is Red Raspberry Leaf.  Get

> it in bulk (not bags) and drink 3 cups daily.  For some they see results in

> one month, others take a few months.  After your PMS / painful periods

> improve, you need only drink the tea starting one week prior to starting.

> (This is an herbal answer only.  There are other considerations (diet, rest,

> exercise, etc. that you need to consider also.)

>

> Sherlei

>



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 08:20:54 +0800

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From:         Chris Utterback <robertu@PC.JARING.MY>

Subject:      Re: Bath Salts



Quick and Dirty (no pun intended) way of making bath salts- Add essential

oil to Epson Salts.



Chris



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:55:13 CST

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From:         DIGEST Adrienne O'Barr <ASOBARR@SAMFORD.EDU>

Organization: Samford University

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath (updated)

In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:28:40 -0800 from

              <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>



I would like to get the phone number of the Clayton School of Natural

Healing & the American Holistic College of Nutrition in Alabama.  It

was listed on your last post but I can't get it to go through (and I

am in Alabama) it tells me my call can't be completed as dialed.  Please

advise (anybody) as I would like to call them and request a catalog.



Thanks,



Adrienne



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:48:58 EST

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From:         JoAnne Hildebrand <hildebra@EUROPA.UMUC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Natural perfume



A few drops of essential oil in a pint of water poured over your

freshly shampooed hair will give you a soft fragrance that lingers

almost all day.

//

m



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:44:45 CST

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From:         DIGEST Adrienne O'Barr <ASOBARR@SAMFORD.EDU>

Organization: Samford University

Subject:      Re: Coffee beans

In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:15:43 EST from

              <hildebra@EUROPA.UMUC.EDU>



My cardiologist told me to "taper" off of coffee - not to go off of it

"cold turkey" otherwise you would get the symptoms that you discribed.

I did get the occassional headache.  I do enjoy decaf (99% no less than

that).



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:42:45 CST

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From:         DIGEST Adrienne O'Barr <ASOBARR@SAMFORD.EDU>

Organization: Samford University

Subject:      Re: Coffee

In-Reply-To:  Message of Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:18:04 -0600 from

              <mgareis@WARRIOR.MGC.PEACHNET.EDU>



Coffee not only contains caffiene (give or take a few % w/decaf) but also

is highly acidic.  That's all the evil I know of coffee.



Adrienne



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:10:17 +0200

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From:         Tina Bottsford <bottsfordt@SWAC.EDU>

Subject:      Diabetic with big toe ulcer (hole)



My dad is a diabetic.  For the last few years he's had problems with his

right big toe.  It first happened when he went to Mexico on a mission trip.

He formed a blister on his toe which wore off leaving a big hole a little

smaller than a red hot candy for a better way to describe it. Anyway, it was

about 1/8 to 1/4 inch deep.  He tried every way possible to cure it and

after a year and some major antibiotics for a surgery that he had as the

result of a bunged up hernia operation, the toe healed only to develop this

hole again when last year at this time when he went on another mission trip

and did the same thing by wearing a hole into it.  Again he's tried

everything short.  He even had surgery on the toe.  He went to a pediatrist.

The doctor said that he had bone spurs.  Well he operated and did something

in there, but I understand that he didn't cut the spurs out totally.  My dad

took lots of antibiotics which healed the sore a little, but a year later

it's still a hole.  Does anyone know what can be used to cure this.  He has

an appointment with another pediatrist tomorrow, but I think he's wasting

his time and money, but then he needs to do something.  If it wasn't that he

needs the toe for stability, it would almost be better to cut it off.  He

only hobbles around on it and walks on the side of his foot right now.



Several months ago I remember reading about a man using horsetail herb for

some kind of toenail fungus and he said it cured it right away.  Does anyone

know if this would be something my dad could soak his foot in and would help

his toe?  Is there anything else he could use?



Tina



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:27:12 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Coffee



At 02:18 PM 2/26/96 -0600, you wrote:

>I also have been reading the coffee discussions with interest.  Pardon me if

>I'm wrong, but isn't the problem the caffeine in coffee, or is there

>something in coffee that makes it much worse than other caffeinated

>beverages like tea.  I genuinely like the tast of coffee; but per doctor's

>orders and also because I know excessive stimulants are never a good thing,

>I drink primarily decaf; is that bad too?



There is a small book published by Odonian Press ($5.00)  called "America's

Favorite Drug - Coffee and Your Health" by Bonnie Edwards, RN   ISBN

1-878825-50-X.  This will answer all the is coffee and/or decaf safe

questions?  It is worth reading.  I do not know if you could find it at the

library ( I got my copy at a health food store).



Sherlei





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:47:03 -0700

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From:         Robert Wesley <shaolin@HENGE.COM>

Subject:      Re: comfrey



At 11:21 AM 2/21/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Dear herblist,

>         This came in on another list...thought you might have some input.

>

> I keep hearing that comfrey taken internally in quantity can cause

>liver damage;  and gradual damage in minor quantities over time, as in tea.

>

>Peace, Paula



Have heard that common comfrey contains traces carcinogenic alkaloids

(Russian comfrey contains larger quantities and has been banned in Canada)

but that there is something of a debate whether, in drinking it as a tea,

one would get sufficient amounts to do harm.  I don't remember the name of

Andrew Weill's book, Natural Health ... or something, but he mentions

comfrey in it and recommends that even if the risk is slight, it is better

not to take it internally, particularly since there are other, safer herbs

that can be substituted.



Robert Wesley



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:47:07 -0700

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Robert Wesley <shaolin@HENGE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Echinacea and Astragulus



I've heard that echinacea isn't effective once you have a cold.  By the

way, I hope you're not taking astragalus while you have a cold.

Qi-tonifying herbs will "tonify" the cold and make it much worse.  Have you

tried yin qiao?



Robert Wesley





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:44:42 -0800

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Sender:       HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Homeopaths in Denver, Colorado



At 01:26 PM 2/22/96 -0500, you wrote:

>I am hoping someone can help me.  My brother lives in Denver, CO and

>has struggled in the past with chronic fatique but survived the

>problems.  Recently, he started having problems with canker sores,

>staph infections, tonsillitus and a physician is recommending the

>removal of the tonsils.  I want to get him to a great homeopath as

>quickly as possible and at the very least get his immunity system

>boosted before surgery.  Anybody have any suggestions of any

>great homeopaths in the Denver area?

>

>Carol

>

>

Try the Holistic Health Directory on the Web.  Their web address is:



http://www.spdcc.com/home/newage/HHD.html



This directory includes all the states and will search for your

request on many medical holistic service providers.



Hope this helps!



Sherlei





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:13:48 -0800

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From:         Susan Battle <sbattle@AGORA.RDROP.COM>

Subject:      Re: Evening Primrose Oil / Eczema

In-Reply-To:  <960223005546_229202389@emout08.mail.aol.com>



In Prescription for Natural Healing, Balch says, "Fish oil or primrose

oil interferes with the production and storage of arachidonic acid (AA),

a natural inflammatory substance that makes the lesions of psoriasis turn

red and swell. Avoid red meat and dairy products because they contain AA.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 08:25:10 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: facial masquesTO KEN



This is a recipe for the an herbal facial mask that was posted a few weeks

ago.



1) Wash dry and peel just the orance peel off of an orange.  (Not the white).

 Let it dry out completely for a couple of weeks.

2) Put dried pieces into a blender or processor and grind until it is almost

fine as sand.

3) To this add: 1 Tablespoon clay (white or green from health food store), 1

teaspoon dried sage.  Re-mix.

4) Pour in container until ready to use.

5) Mix 1 teaspoons of dry mix with 1/2 teaspoon of honey and 1 teaspoon of

aloe vera gel.

6) Put on face and neck and relax for 30 minutes.

7)  Rinse off don't wash off.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 08:51:12 -0500

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From:         Karyn Siegel Maier <HerbalMuse@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Help w/presentation



In a message dated 96-02-27 22:35:01 EST, you write:



>>I'm interested in a statement you make above about the possibility of

>T-cell stimulators actually helping to proliferate the virus.  Do you have

>any more information about this?  I have an AIDS patient coming tonight to

>the student clinic at my school to see if we can boost his T-cell count

>enough for him to take chemotherapy for his Kaposi's sarcoma.  Should I have

>second thoughts about this treatment strategy?



Part of the original message:



>>However,  according to Michael

>Murray, N.D. and Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., this herb has not been properly

>studied for its efficay on AIDS patients, and may even have negative impact.

>Their concern is that echincea has been found to stimulate T-cell

production,

>and laboratory research shows that T-cell stimulators can also help

>proliferate the HIV virus.>>



Robert - I found this statement baffling too.  The above was derived from

their book "Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine."  Unfortunately, the authors do

not elaborate on the effects of T-cell stimulators propogating the HIV virus

(by citing specific studies), nor do they reveal why this concern should

apply exclusively to echinacea as the text would suggest.  Does this mean

that other botanicals/agents that enhance immune function could be deemed to

have negative impact as well?  The authors do give reference to their sources

on herbal support for AIDS; perhaps you can access a medical library and

locate these references and learn more from them.  They are:



1) Stimpel, M., Proksch, A., Wagner, H. and Lohmann-Matthes, M.L.,

"Macrophage activation and induction of macrophage cytotoxicity by purified

polysaccharide fractions from the plant Echinacea purpurea", Infect. Immun.,

1984, 46, pp.845-9.



2) Wagner, V., Proksh, A., Riess-Maurer, I., et. al., "Immunostimulating

polysaccharides (heteroglycans) of higher plants/preliminary communications",

Arzneim-Forsch., 1984, 34, pp. 659-60.



3) Wacker, A. and Hilbig, W., "Virus inhibition by Echinacea purpurea",

Planta Medica, 1978, 33, pp. 89-102.



I'm sorry I couldn't clarify the T-cell delemna...perhaps someone else on the

list can.  Should you discover an answer I'd be interesed in hearing about

it.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:29:11 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bath Salts



Recipe from Herbal Studies, Session 2 on Lavender-



To one box of epson salt mix 1/2 cup baking soda, 12 drops of lavender

essential oil, 3 drops each of red and blue food coloring.  Add a scoop to

the bath water after the tub is filled, not during filling.



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 08:28:37 -0600

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From:         Norbert Hoffmann <hoffmann@STOLAF.EDU>

Subject:      Herb Candy



----------

Hi,=20

back after a long absence from this pretty active list.

I make my own echinacea extract every year from the plants I am growing =

in my garden. During a recent visit to Germany I found out that =

echinacea is also available in some kind of lozenge form. I would be =

interested in making echinacea herb candy this summer. It sounds like =

fun. Can anyone give me any tips on how to do this?



Thanks



Norbert



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norbert hoffmann       st. olaf college       northfield, mn  =20

http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hoffmann/kombucha.html    =20



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 29 Feb 1996 02:32:26 EST

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From:         Rene Burrough <100735.543@COMPUSERVE.COM>

Subject:      Alnus cones



Henriette was wondering...



And Mrs Grive said...

Alnus glotinosa  aka Betula alnus, Common Alder

Mrs G: a tonic & astringent; decoction of bark useful to bathe swellings &

inflammations..especially of the throat.

<peasants of Alps use bags of heated leaves topically for rheumatism> A cure

it is alleged..

Horses, cows, sheeps & goats are said to eat it, swine refuse it. Some say

it's bad for horses as it turns their tongues black.



Other herbals consulted lacked such a homey touch...but all agreed about the

uses of bark and sometimes leaves.  Nothing about cones though.



Tree books I consulted were actually even more interesting but stuck with

botanically niceties about catkins/cones.  Did you know that alders put more

nitrogen into the soil than they take out??? I didn't.  Because alders tend to

grow along the waterside, and there's not much nitrogen in water-logged soil,

they wind up putting the nitrogen from the atmosphere into the soil.



Rene Burrough



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Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:20:38 -0500

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From:         Laura Hundt <LHundt@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Coffee



In a message dated 96-02-27 20:40:48 EST, you write:



>I also have been reading the coffee discussions with interest.  Pardon me if

>I'm wrong, but isn't the problem the caffeine in coffee, or is there

>something in coffee that makes it much worse than other caffeinated

>beverages like tea.  I genuinely like the tast of coffee; but per doctor's

>orders and also because I know excessive stimulants are never a good thing,

>I drink primarily decaf; is that bad too?



Here is a caffeine comparison chart for popular drinks...



BEVERAGE>>>>>>SERVING SIZE>>>>>>CAFFEINE DOSE PER SERVING

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------------

Coffee.......................1 cup............................60-150mg

Decaf Coffee..............1 cup............................2-5mg

Tea (loose or bags).....1 cup............................20-50mg

Hot Cocoa.................1 cup.............................6mg

Milk Chocolate...........1 oz..............................6mg

Baking Chocolate.......1 oz..............................35mg

Mate.........................1 cup.............................25-50mg

Cola Drinks...............12 oz can.......................40mg

Guarana....................varies............................25-50mg per gram



Caffeine is considered to be inappropriate for consumption durring pregnancy

or lactation, or by persons with the following conditions: High blood

pressure, gastric ulsers,active heart disease, stimulant sensitivities,

hypoglacimia.  Over-consumption of caffeine even by normal consumers can

cause nervousness, sleeplessness, irritability, anxiety and or heart

palpitations.  Caffeine also has laxative effects and those who become

habituated to it may become constipated and experience head aches when they

quit....



From "THE HERB RESEARCH FOUNDATION" April 20 1995



I do also know that coffee can cause bad stomache acid, and is not good for

people with ulsers.......



    Hope I was of some help,

                                Willow



"The past is but the begining of a begining, and all that is and has been is

but the twilight of the dawn"  HG Wells



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:12:48 -0500

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From:         "R. K. Trenary (Klaus)" <IamKlaus@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Hello



As a brand new member to the list I would like to say hello.



Am currently working on a guide to medicinal and sacramental Cacti and would

like to look to this group for help. Believe it or not, there is very little

info available on this subject. Some scattered tidbits of interest pertaining

to Native Americans, but nothing on the use of Cacti by indigenous cultures

in other parts of the World.



I am not positive that all people consider Cactus to be herbs, but in the

spirit of holistic wellness all ethnobotanicals would qualify.



Any help, advice and particularly references would be most appreciated.



Peace, Sentience and Enlightenment.



Klaus



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:39:07 -0500

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From:         Rosemarie Rairie <RAIRIE@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: goldenseal



I am new to the list and to the world of herbs. I have recently started using

Herbalife for weight loss and nutrition. I have had opinions from people who

absolutely loved their product line and others who have told me it is junk

and not the all-natural products I have been led to believe. I would

appreciate your opinions on this subject.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:35:30 -0800

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From:         Saphire Mann <saphyra@ARTEMIS.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Druids Herbal



>Does anyone know the name of the USA publisher of "A Druid's Herbal" by

>Evert Hopman?

>

>I call the weeds flowers and save a  lot of work .

>Michael Bailes.The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W,

>Australia



"A Druid's Herbal for the Sacred Year", Ellen Evert Hopman, Destiny Books,

Rochester, Vermont, 1995. ISBN 0-89281-501-9.



Includes review of druids, herbal basics, herbs associated with each of the

8 land and solar festivals (Winter Solstice, Beltaine, etc.), astrology and

herbs (Sun ruled plants, moon ruled plants...), and herbs for specific

common rituals (marriage, babies, funerals, etc.). Well indexed.



Saphire



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:11:03 -0500

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From:         "(R.Lynn Shumake PD)" <RxHERBinfo@AOL.COM>

Subject:      HERBAL for Elder Adults

Comments: To: jabdeli@itsa.ucsf.edu



David Hoffmann has written a good general reference focused on the Elderly:

"An Elders' Herbal" by David Hoffmann

Provides general info re: conditions, separated into various Systems, has

Materia Medica, some Medicine Making, and some very nice, nurturing formulas.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:11:09 -0500

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From:         "(R.Lynn Shumake PD)" <RxHERBinfo@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Calamus Root Horticulture



I'am interested in knowing the optimum growing conditions for Calamus

root(Acorus calamus), such as light/shade, water requirements, mineral,

proper feeding



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:38:13 GMT

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From:         Paul Iannone <p_iannone@POP.COM>

Organization: DigitalPopcorn Online Services

Subject:      Re: herbal pain relievers/fibromyalgia



In message ID <26PZJD2w164w@vortex.ithaca.ny.us> on 2/27/96,

HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR wrote:



: Hi,  I have been getting treatment from an acupuncturist and chinese

: herbalist. She has a combination of herbs that helpes with pain and she

: has another mix/treatment for fibromyalgia.

: send me mail at :  ferrisc@snycorva.cortland.edu

: ttyl.



Why, are you lonely? What makes you think that your formulas will be

appropriate for this other person? If your doctor has one formula for

fibromyalgia which she uses without particularization as to CAUSE, then shame

on her.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:43:33 -0900

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From:         Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Subject:      Re: Herb substitutes for ritalin/ ADD/Pycnognal



I heard on the radio today that they estimate that 30% of elementary age

school children in the United States are diagnosed as ADD and most of them

are prescribed Ritalin.  This was shocking to me.

There are no real substitutes for Ritalin in herbs.  OPCs (E.G. Pycnogenol)

are OK as an antioxydant but they don't address the real problem.

I would say that the real problem lies in the American diet and lifestyle.

The average diet in the US is over-fat, over-sugar, under-bulk and

under-nutrient based.  You won't get healthy at McDonalds.  The second

problem is that kids just aren't taught how to behave.  Too many kids aren't

taught anything by their parents.  They let school, pre-school, day-care,

latch-key and television do all the teaching and training of their children.

Then parents come home from their jobs and tuck them in at night. It wasn't

always so.

There is also a problem with underage mothers physically unprepared for

childbirth and motherhood and drug and alcohol abuse by mothers.

These are real problems contributing to the increasing problem with ADD, and

learning disabilities.  That's not to say that all ADD is because of these

problems.  I'm sure there's more to it.

But popping Ritalin or trying different herbs to change behavior, won't cure

the problem.

Before trying herbs, I'd try major supplementation with nutrients, vitamins,

minerals and eliminating all sugar from the diet.  Have the kids checked for

yeast infection and low blood sugar and go from there.  Ritalin should be

used rarely if at all.

Now I'll sit back and watch for flames.

Take care, Anita

I am what I am and that's all what I am.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:17:46 EST

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From:         JoAnne Hildebrand <hildebra@EUROPA.UMUC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Bath Salts



While running warm water in the tub, add 1/2 cup baking soda. After

filling the tub, add a few drops of essential oil to the water,

allowing it to float on top where you can most enjoy the fragrance.

This is a most soothing bath. Easy too!



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:24:38 -0100

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From:         Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject:      Re: books - don't buy Tyler.

Comments: To: Leaflight@aol.com



At 15:40 27.02.96 -0500, Leaflight@aol.com wrote:

>Response to question of good reference book:

>take a look at The Honest Herbal: a sensible guide to the use of herbs and

>related remedies. 3rd ed  by Varro Tyler, PhD  Pharmaceutical Products Press,

>an imprint of the Haworth press, INc.  New York (1993) ISBN 1-56024-287-6.



Don't get that one. Get a good book instead. LOTS mentioned in the

medicinal herbfaq.

Or - got an idea here - want to buy mine, cheap? Really got no use for

it, as it doesn't really present facts in a scientific and unbiased

way... call your book scientific because you attribute your every sentence

to one or the other earlier work - like Maude Grieve? Not that I have

anything against Grieve but there must be newer research around. And why

not do some herb picking yourself and write about that instead of just

putting out a collection of olde quotes? My bias lies with folks who been

there, not folks who read about it and then decided to write about it too.



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:25:32 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Candy/Cough Recipe



Herbal Cough Drop/Candy



Echinacea and other herbs can be substituted for horehound in horehound cough

drop recipes.



Put one large handful of fresh, clean herbs in a pot.  Cover with 2 1/2 cups

of water and bring to a boil.  Simmer for 20 minutes.  Strain through a

coffee filter and put herbs in compost.  Reboil the liquid with 2 1/2 cups of

white sugar and 1 cups of bronw sugar.  Boil with medium-low heat until drops

harden in cold water.  (candy stage test).  Pour onto cookie sheet that has

been greased with butter crisco.  Score when partial cool and break into

pieces.  Store in ziploc bags.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:16:36 EST

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From:         B Bonnell <BBONNELL@KENTVM.KENT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: theory



At 10:00 AM 2/20/96 EST, you wrote:

>hi folks!

>

>i've been thinking about this a lot and wanted to run it by you.  it is

>actually a theory- i guess i'll call it theory of universal inclusion for

>lack of a better phrase.

>

>whenever i fall sick or do a constitutional diagnosis, i find that the

>treatment involves some aspect of lifestyle/diet that i dislike and

>therefore don't do.  i am not referring to an actual disease here, but more

>to preventive care that i guess most people in this group do anyway.



  This part sound, IMHO, a lot link the preventative medicine traditionally

practiced in Asian countries.  Treat the person *before* they get sick, and

not the symptoms *after* they get sick.



   The Javaman



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:10:09 EST

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From:         B Bonnell <BBONNELL@KENTVM.KENT.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Coffee beans

In-Reply-To:  Message of Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:07:11 GMT from <p_iannone@POP.COM>



Hello fellow coffee fiends...

  Yes, coffee is *very* acidic, but I've also read it contains, I believe,

tanic acids, which I am told is the main reason why certain branches of the

Mormon religion forbid its consumption.

  Supposedly, these acids bond with certain vitamins, rendering them uselss--

I have not had a chance to confirm this yet.  If this is true, however, it

explains why coffee drinking ranks up there with cigarette smoking as a cause

of defiency of Vitamin C.

  Can any person confirm this??



                               The Javaman

                               (whose name is earned!!)



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 10:10:53 -0500

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From:         "Claudette A. Aras" <Carras@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: ADMINISTRATIVA - new rules...



One suggestion for those suffering from short term memory

disabilities and not taking Ginko biloba:  print out a hard copy of HERBRULES

and tack them up on a bulletin board directly in front of their eyes  :-)





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 08:09:21 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Coffee beans



At 03:44 PM 2/27/96 CST, you wrote:

>My cardiologist told me to "taper" off of coffee - not to go off of it

>"cold turkey" otherwise you would get the symptoms that you discribed.

>I did get the occassional headache.  I do enjoy decaf (99% no less than

>that).

>

(found this some time ago - maybe on the net, thought I would pass this along)



How to Quit the Coffee Addiction & Still Stay Sane



   1.  Make a large cup of "brown drink" (coffee, cola, tea, etc. - whatever

you are addicted too).                     Large enough to last a week.

   2.  When a headache comes on, drink only one table-spoon of the "brown

drink".

   3.  Wait 10 minutes.

   4.  If the headache has NOT decreased, take one more tablespoon of the

"brown drink".

      Repeat steps 3-4 until headache is bearable or gone. Remember, that

the object is to drink as         little as possible.

   5.  Refrigerate the "brown drink" at night.

   6.  In about a week, the physical addiction is gone.

   7.  Prayer always helps. Especially for those who are mentally addicted.



 Here are some things that may help make this process easier:



      Replace your favorite drink with something else. If it's a hot drink,

try drinking a cup of pure hot water, or a non-caffeinated herb tea.  If

it's a cold drink, try a cool glass of pure water -  okay if you need ice

cubes, put them in.

      Be conscious of trying to stay calmer - watch what you read, or watch

on TV.  If you can live without TV or the paper for a couple of days, trying

listening to music, or working on a old hobby instead. Remember, the world

can go on without your watchfulness for a few days.

      Take a quiet walk away from noise - whenever you can. Be quiet while

you walk and enjoy the scenery.

      Plan on extra sleep this week.

      Instead of a shower, try taking a hot bath tonight.

      Eat less spicy foods. Try less meat, and grease. If you can, don't

drink with your meals.

      Drink extra amounts of pure water (spring, or distilled) during this

time.  Eight glasses would be helpful.

      Plan ahead so you don't have to rush.  Get up a little earlier - go to

bed a little earlier.

      How about practicing to be the calmest driver on the way to and from

work today. Find some calm music you enjoy, and turn it up - NOT too loud,

however.  If you can, ride with somebody else, or take public transportation

(if you can stay calm).





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:25:04 -0500

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From:         Terri Segal <Mainecoone@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Help for spider veins



Hello,

I'm hoping that someone out there has advice on how to get rid of and prevent

spider veins.

I am 28yrs old, healthy, take a good multi vitamin (I also take C with

bioflavinoids, 200IU E with selenium, biotin, horsetail silica, garlic,

alfalfa and zinc),drink lots of water, I walk 3 miles every other day, and do

weight lifting (50 to 60lbs max since I'm not into building bulk) 2 or 3

times per week.

The spiders have increased in quantity over the past year and they are mostly

on my thighs and shoulders.   I've heard that one should not lift weights if

prone to spiders?

The veins are hereditary (my mother and sister have them).

I have tried calendula tincture in spray and cream forms.

I've seen a cream (promising 2 weeks to a spider free body) named Derma

something or other that costs $20.00 for 2oz and its main ingredient is

vitamin k.

I've read a lot about vitamin K and are a bit afraid to take it internally.



Does anyone know of herbs or any other treatment for spiders?



Thanks,

Terri



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:05:02 -0500

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From:         Karen Ungar <sharpie@SRVR.THIRD-WAVE.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bath Salts



>>My recipe is

> 1 cup rock salt



Rock salt? Like what you sprinkle on the driveway to melt ice? Or do you

mean Epsom salts?



Karen



Karen M. Klimsak-Ungar

"The further on I go, oh the less I know..."--Peter Gabriel



sharpie@srvr.third-wave.com



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 08:02:11 -0800

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From:         Jack van Luik <jackv@PACIFIER.COM>

Subject:      Re: Coffee

In-Reply-To:  <61438.42053037@pop.com>



On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> :        I have the same question - is there something else in coffee

> : that can cause problems besides the caffeine.  I have recently given up

> : coffee for the second time because of stomach problems caused by it

> : (nausea, cramping etc.) Also, after the effects of the initial stimulation

> : wear off, I feel so tired and rather bad all over.  I don't have this

> : problem with Coke or tea (with caffeine).  Are there other substances

> : found in coffee beans that could be doing some harm?

> :         Debbie

> :         dkasarda@indiana.edu

>

> Coffee is really, really, GREASY.



I'm jumping in at the tail end, so this may have been said.

Coffee has some 40 different acids (no, I can't list them :-) and appears

to promote cholestorol.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 10:54:22 -0400

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From:         ALPEICH@VASSAR.EDU

Subject:      urinary tract infections



   i've been suffering from what seems almost constant urinary tract infections

since august. i've been to several doctors, and they give me the same anti-

biotics, which seem to help for a while, but often trigger other things.

last time i went, they told me that i didn't have an infection, despite my

discomfort. i came close to going to a urologist, but backed out at the last

minute, hoping there was something less extreme that i could do. it seems as

though i've tried almost everything at this point. the only herb i've taken

has been uva ursi, but it doesn't seem to do much. i was just wondering if

someone (esp. paul iannone) could give me some [friendly] advice.

   hoping,

   alysia



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Wed, 28 Feb 1996 06:34:37 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Naturopath Doctors vs. Homeopath (updated)



Try this number also if 1 800 995 4590 does not work (some 800 numbers do

not work in the same state?)  1-205-933-2215 (this is the number they list

for students outside of the US).  If you still have problems here is the

Dean of Admissions address:



2140  11th Ave S., Suite 305

Birmingham, ALabama     35205



At 03:55 PM 2/27/96 CST, you wrote:

>I would like to get the phone number of the Clayton School of Natural

>Healing & the American Holistic College of Nutrition in Alabama.  It

>was listed on your last post but I can't get it to go through (and I

>am in Alabama) it tells me my call can't be completed as dialed.  Please

>advise (anybody) as I would like to call them and request a catalog.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 29 Feb 1996 06:59:28 -0500

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From:         Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Coffee



A great, caffeine free alternative is roasted dandelion root coffee.  No

bitterness, but otherwise, depending on who you ask, it tastes from "similar

to" to "just like" coffee.



There is an instant called DandyBlend Instant Dandelion Beverage.  If

interested, post me directly at petergail@aol.com for more info.



Peter Gail, Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:36:53 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: Acne



Problem the outside are evidence of internal problems.  Do you eat right and

is your system balanced?  Accne could be caused by diet, stress or lack of

vitamin A and D.

Start there.



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Salt- Rock or Epson?



Some recommend rock salt but a lot of rock salt is really dirty.  Best to

stick with Epson salt.  Rock salt is cheaper which is why some recipe call

for it and some people use it.



If you're gonna do something, mize well do it right.



donna



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Date:         Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:36:53 -0500

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: urinary tract infections



Get some fresh cranberries and make a strong tea.  Drink as much as you can.

 It will help clean your system out and if you don't have urinary infection,

it shouldn't hurt anything.  Also, parsley tea is good.   Make it with fresh

parsley.



donna



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         Donna Hench <Henchpa@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Try to keep subject about the subject



Thanks.  All with appreciate.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Mar 1996 08:54:59 -0500

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From:         "Kenneth C. Keppel" <kck@MINDSPRING.COM>

Subject:      Re: Bath Salts



At 11:05 AM 2/28/96 -0500, you wrote:

>>>My recipe is

>> 1 cup rock salt

>

>Rock salt? Like what you sprinkle on the driveway to melt ice? Or do you

>mean Epsom salts?



The type that you use to make ice cream.  I live in the south and never had

to salt a driveway.>



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Date:         Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:57:04 +0000

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From:         BeckyChickering <bchickering@HCACAD.HOLYCROSS.EDU>

Organization: Holy Cross College

Subject:      Re: Acne



> Problem the outside are evidence of internal problems.  Do you eat right and

> is your system balanced?  Accne could be caused by diet, stress or lack of

> vitamin A and D.

> Start there.

> donna



Hi, I am new to this list. I wanted to respond to the Acne. I am

dealing with this as well.  A few weeks ago I went to a small class

on herbal skin care.  The herbalist gave me some good suggestions.



First she mentioned that when their are skin blemishes, this means

your liver needs strengthening. Like drinking lots of water, especially water

with lemon juice. I find half a lemon in 1 quart is a good mixture.



She also mentioned  taking, burdock root, dandelion, or yellow dock

root. I have started on the yellow dock root in pill form.



She mentioned foods, white flour, surgar, salt, coffee, and alcohol

of not being good to eat for your skin.



We also made a cleansing grains with oatmeal, white clay powder and

lavender flowers. Use a coffee grinder to grind up the oatmeal and

lavender, semi fine. Add egual parts. Then add a little bit of water

to make a paste. scrub your skin.  Its a nice cleanser.



Also use honey for a facial mask for 10 minutes once a week.



Hope this helps.

Becky Chickering



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Fri, 1 Mar 1996 09:00:21 -0500

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From:         "Kenneth C. Keppel" <kck@MINDSPRING.COM>

Subject:      Re: urinary tract infections



At 10:54 AM 2/28/96 -0400, you wrote:

>   i've been suffering from what seems almost constant urinary tract infections

>since august. i've been to several doctors, and they give me the same anti-

>biotics, which seem to help for a while, but often trigger other things.

>last time i went, they told me that i didn't have an infection, despite my

>discomfort. i came close to going to a urologist, but backed out at the last

>minute, hoping there was something less extreme that i could do. it seems as

>though i've tried almost everything at this point. the only herb i've taken

>has been uva ursi, but it doesn't seem to do much. i was just wondering if

>someone (esp. paul iannone) could give me some [friendly] advice.

>   hoping,

>   alysia



I use to suffer from the same things.  You almost have to life a lifestyle

to stop form getting them.  Drink at least eight glasses of water or juice a

day.  Cut down on caffine (I had to start drink to of the same amount of

water as cokes to stop).  Wear cotton underware and don't put off going.  If

you think that you should also tell the doctors what you have been taking

and how it worked.  See an urologist, if it doesn't clear up.  It's better

to spend the money and suffer than to have it in the bank and be in pain.



Denise



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

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From:         "Couvia, Susan" <SCouvia@TCHMAIL02.TCHDEN.ORG>

Subject:      Re: Coffee



Well, all this talk about coffee has started me thinking... I am adicted

to the stuff - really adicted. The one time I tried to quit (15 years ago

now) I was drinking about 12 - 16 cups a day. Had a full pot of coffee

even before going to work. Have my coffee pot in my bedroom at the foot

of my bed on a timer so that when the alarm goes off, the coffee is

already made, just have to crawl to the end of the bed to pour my first

cup. REALLY adicted. In addition to the headaches that everyone else

reports upon trying to quit, I also had nausea, vomiting, and

halucinations. Started seeing all kinds of things - pretty colors and

lights especially. Instead of taking this as a warning that things were

really bad and I shouldn't touch this stuff again, I quickly started

drinking it again just to have the symptoms go away. Although I did cut

down to about 6 cups a day.



Now, even though I have changed most other "non-healthy" habits, coffee

is the one I retain. However - all this talk has made me think: If a

doctor prescribed a stimulant, told me that I would have to take it every

day for the rest of my life, that it has side effects like it makes you

jittery, sometimes insomniac, makes it difficult to absorb some vitamins,

etc - I would have told that doc that I would never take this

"medication" yet here I am taking it.



Well, looks like it's time to really quit. (Wish me luck!)



Susan



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:12:54 -0500

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From:         Karen Rhoda <Itype@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Re: urinary tract infections



In addition to the fresh cranberries, cornsilk in either tea form or capsule

is very nourishing to the urinary tract. I have fount this in combinaton to

the cranberry and also buchu which is also very nourishing to the urinary

tract to be very helpful during a urinary tract infection and at the very

first sign of a possible recurrence.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:43:10 EST

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From:         JoAnne Hildebrand <hildebra@EUROPA.UMUC.EDU>

Subject:      Re: Coffee



Thanks for the caffeine comparison chart Willow. I'm taking a

supplement that contains 75 mg of Kola Nut. How much caffeine am I

consuming?



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:44:57 -0500

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From:         Deb Phillips <ARmidwife@AOL.COM>

Subject:      Menopause herbs



I am back on this list after many months off.  I would like to ask a question

and hope you have not just covered it.



What herbs do you like for menopause?  Which ones help specifically for which

symptoms?  Do you think that playing around with the various herbs causes

more harm than good?



I am in the thralls of menopause and have thought I had some good luck with

using Black Cohosh, Evening Primrose Oil, Women's Liberty Tea by Traditional

Medicinals, Red Raspberry, etc.



Anyone have any experience with herbs and menopause?



Thanks

Deb Phillips

Midwife

Looking now at the other end of women's health



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:15:48 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Menopause herbs



Specifically for menopause is Angelica sinensis or Asparagus racemosa. Both

are considered rejuvenatives for the female reproductive system.  Vitex

agnus-castus

supports pituitary function and is often crucial in supporting and

maintaining hormonal balance.  Dioscorea spp has ability to provide

steroidal skeletons for the manufacture of endogenous

estrogen and progesterone. Supporting adrenal fuction with Eleuthrococcus

senticosus or using Ganoderma lucidum may help with the fatigue. Cramping

and pain indicates congestion and cold in the body, as does the fatigue.

Gently stimulating liver function (dispersing liver stagnation) with the use

of a bitter herb like Verbena hastata (which is also a parasympathomimetic

and an excellent nervine, relieving Vata) and Zanthoxylum to open and

unblock the channels are all appropriate. The useof Ginkgo biloba, Centella

(Hydrocotyle) asiatica and Crataegus oxycantha

are all considered useful; hawthorn and ginkgo for cerebral circulation and

brahmi in its traditional usage as a rejuvenative for the mind



At 11:44 AM 2/29/96 -0500, you wrote:

>I am back on this list after many months off.  I would like to ask a question

>and hope you have not just covered it.

>

>What herbs do you like for menopause?  Which ones help specifically for which

>symptoms?  Do you think that playing around with the various herbs causes

>more harm than good?

>

>I am in the thralls of menopause and have thought I had some good luck with

>using Black Cohosh, Evening Primrose Oil, Women's Liberty Tea by Traditional

>Medicinals, Red Raspberry, etc.



From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

Date:         Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:06:43 -0800

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From:         Jerry Jackson <jacksonj@WOLFENET.COM>

Subject:      Re: Coffee & quitting



Susan,

What an interesting analagy!  Maybe this will help  you quit.



How to Quit the Coffee Addiction & Still Stay Sane



   1.  Make a large cup of "brown drink" (coffee, cola, tea, etc. - whatever

you are addicted too).      Large enough to last a week.

   2.  When a headache comes on, drink only one table-spoon of the "brown

drink".

   3.  Wait 10 minutes.

   4.  If the headache has NOT decreased, take one more tablespoon of the

"brown drink".

      Repeat steps 3-4 until headache is bearable or gone. Remember, that

the object is to drink as little as possible.

   5.  Refrigerate the "brown drink" at night.

   6.  In about a week, the physical addiction is gone.

   7.  Prayer always helps. Especially for those who are mentally addicted.



 Here are some things that may help make this process easier:



      Replace your favorite drink with something else. If it's a hot drink,

try drinking a cup of pure hot water, or a non-caffeinated herb tea.  If

it's a cold drink, try a cool glass of pure water -  okay if you need ice

cubes, put them in.

      Be conscious of trying to stay calmer - watch what you read, or watch

on TV.  If you can live without TV or the paper for a couple of days, trying

listening to music, or working on a old hobby instead. Remember, the world

can go on without your watchfulness for a few days.

      Take a quiet walk away from noise - whenever you can. Be quiet while

you walk and enjoy the scenery.

      Plan on extra sleep this week.

      Instead of a shower, try taking a hot bath tonight.

      Eat less spicy foods. Try less meat, and grease. If you can, don't

drink with your meals.

      Drink extra amounts of pure water (spring, or distilled) during this

time.  Eight glasses would be helpful.

      Plan ahead so you don't have to rush.  Get up a little earlier - go to

bed a little earlier.

      How about practicing to be the calmest driver on the way to and from

work today. Find some calm music you enjoy, and turn it up - NOT too loud,

however.  If you can, ride with somebody else, or take public transportation

(if you can stay calm).





At 08:37 AM 2/29/96 PST, you wrote:

>Well, all this talk about coffee has started me thinking... I am adicted

>to the stuff - really adicted. The one time I tried to quit (15 years ago



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