

From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dairyless "dry ups"

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:55:33 EST



i need to dry up, but i love milk and some cheese-skim & low fat.  i have

discovered i like to make soup-cream of - all kinds of vegetable soup.

Should I use tomato juice or bouillon to flavor the soup?  any ideas

would be helpful.  thank s in advance.

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dairyless "dry ups"

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:13:54 -0800



>i need to dry up, but i love milk and some cheese-skim & low fat.  i have

>discovered i like to make soup-cream of - all kinds of vegetable soup.

>Should I use tomato juice or bouillon to flavor the soup?  any ideas

>would be helpful.  thank s in advance.

>Linda



Fruit and fruit juice and sweets with meals are dramatically larger causes

of Digestive Dampness than dairy products in those who tolerate them well.

That soup is doing you more good than harm. Don't worry about it.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dairyless "dry ups"

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 00:25:05 EST



hi, it's me again, linda. i found something quite interesting -just

wanted to get an opinion as soon as i can.  it is called Phyto Proz

Supreme.  ever heard of it?  supposed to be able to take it instead of

prozac with your doctor's help, etc.  No side effects, but not supposed

to eat cow products, wine, or beer.  i wonder if that means milk, too.

please say milk is ok. i haven't talked to my dr. yet but i got some.  a

very persuasive article was given to me also about phyto proz supreme on

its merits- could be advertising.  i want it to be great.

i think ginseng tea does help your libido.  oh, phyto proz has kava kava,

ginseng, st. johnswort, passionflower, gotu kola,stinging nettle seed,

prickly ash bark, fresh wild oats.  main ingred. being kava kava, st.

johnswort i think.

Another question- my brother is on a lanoxin for irregular heartbeat.  he

is unable to keep taking the medicine due to side effects-think it makes

him tired, nauseas or something. any suggestions on what he should

do?take?

thank you so much.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for inflammatory breast cancer (long)

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:28:54 -0500



In a message dated 96-10-31 00:23:25 EST, you write:



>

>That is a very unreliable idea. CoQ10 hasn't been shown to resolve cancer,

>I don't know where you got that propaganda.





Paul,



Thought I would check my files at work and see where I read the info on

CoQ10. I was able to find two out of 3 or 4 that I have read:



1) Dr. Julian Whittaker of the Health and Healing publication says: "Dr.

Folkers left Merck in the late 1960's to research CoQ10

exclusively......congestive healt failure, which is now epidemic in this

country, is probably a specific CoQ10-deficiency syndrome.........However,

Dr. Folkers also touched on the exciting possibility that CoQ10 could be a

breakthrough treatment for cancer. He first became interested in this

possibility 12 years ago when his next-door neighbor with terminal metastatic

lung cancer started taking coQ10 and had a complete remission that has

continued to this day. Per Langsjoen, M.D., a cardiologist in Tyler, Texas,

is following a 65-year-old man who was found at surgery to have inoperable

adenocarcinoma of the stomache five years ago. Dr. Langsjoen started him on

240mg. of coQ10 daily for heart disease. Now, five years later, CAT scans

show no evidence of cancer............Dr. Folkers began looking at the

possibilities in earnest, and in the March 30, 1994, issue of Biochemical and

Biophysical Research Communications, he and Dr. Knud Lockwood from

Copenhagen, reported on the effects of vitamins, minerals and 90mg. of CoQ10

given to 32 patients with breast cancer. Six of the 32 showed partial tumor

regression. In one of these six, the dosage of coQ10 was increased to 390mg.

daily, and in one month the tumor could no longer be felt. In another month,

mammography comfirmed the total absence of the tumor. In another patient with

a verified residual breast tumor after nonradical surgery, daily doses of

300mg. of CoQ10 eliminted it completely. The researchers summarized, 'The

bioenergetic activity of coQ10, expressed as hematological or immunological

activity, may be the dominant but not the sole molecular mechanism causing

the regression of breast cancer.' " Dr. Whittaker goes on to recommend that

anyone with serious cancer take 300mg+ of CoQ10.



I have another report on the study by Dr. Lockwood of Copenhagen, Denmark. In

addition to the CoQ10, the subejcts all supplemented with 58 mg. beta

carotene, 2.8 grams vit. C, 1.2 grams P linolenic acid, 3.5 grams omega 3

fatty acids, 2,500 IU vit E, and 385 micrograms of selenium--there was no

variation in dosages of these supplements. This report states that "coenzyme

Q10 at 90mg. per day apparently prevented progress of disease while improving

quality of life in 26 of 32 high-risk breast cancer patients."



That is my "for what its worth" information and a better report on sources.

And now for my opinion:  =:-)



I know cancer is serious business and I know also that what may cure one may

not cure another--and, indeed, that sometimes the acceptance of death and

preparation for the same is inevitable. But, when you talk of quality of life

(however long that may be), I don't think I could call life without any hope

"quality". There is alway hope--right up to the end--miracles have happened

and continue to do so. And there are just too many anecdotal cases of cured

cancer with some of these alternative therapies to just give up.  If I had

cancer, I would definitely choose to try a number of the treatments that have

worked for others. Buying hope can be a miracle in and of itself--the

determination to live is a powerful healing tool. And, if it didn't work and

my time was up, I'll bet I would have lived more happily and longer with hope

than without it.



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for inflammatory breast cancer (long)

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:39:51 -0800



>>That is a very unreliable idea. CoQ10 hasn't been shown to resolve cancer,

>>I don't know where you got that propaganda.

>

>Paul,

>

>Thought I would check my files at work and see where I read the info on

>CoQ10. I was able to find two out of 3 or 4 that I have read:

>

>1) Dr. Julian Whittaker of the Health and Healing publication says: "Dr.

>Folkers left Merck in the late 1960's to research CoQ10

>exclusively......congestive healt failure, which is now epidemic in this

>country, is probably a specific CoQ10-deficiency syndrome....



That is also a fallacy. There is definitely a correlation between

congestive heart failure and low CoQ10 levels, and CoQ10 supplementation is

helpful in therapy. But calling it a CoQ10 DEFICIENCY syndrome? Toss

anything such a liar says into the garbage.



No accepted research shows that lack of CoQ10 CAUSES congestive heart failure.



>.....However,

>Dr. Folkers also touched on the exciting possibility that CoQ10 could be a

>breakthrough treatment for cancer.



SNORE.



>He first became interested in this

>possibility 12 years ago when his next-door neighbor with terminal metastatic

>lung cancer started taking coQ10 and had a complete remission that has

>continued to this day.



Spontaneous remission rates in cancer are in the range of a certain number

percent.



>Per Langsjoen, M.D., a cardiologist in Tyler, Texas,

>is following a 65-year-old man who was found at surgery to have inoperable

>adenocarcinoma of the stomache five years ago. Dr. Langsjoen started him on

>240mg. of coQ10 daily for heart disease. Now, five years later, CAT scans

>show no evidence of cancer.....



See above.



>.......Dr. Folkers began looking at the

>possibilities in earnest, and in the March 30, 1994, issue of Biochemical and

>Biophysical Research Communications, he and Dr. Knud Lockwood from

>Copenhagen, reported on the effects of vitamins, minerals and 90mg. of CoQ10

>given to 32 patients with breast cancer. Six of the 32 showed partial tumor

>regression.



See above.



>In one of these six, the dosage of coQ10 was increased to 390mg.

>daily, and in one month the tumor could no longer be felt.



See above.



>In another month,

>mammography comfirmed the total absence of the tumor. In another patient with

>a verified residual breast tumor after nonradical surgery, daily doses of

>300mg. of CoQ10 eliminted it completely.



Where is the control for this? It is NOWHERE. Claiming it 'eliminated it'

is propaganda, not science.



>The researchers summarized, 'The

>bioenergetic activity of coQ10, expressed as hematological or immunological

>activity, may be the dominant but not the sole molecular mechanism causing

>the regression of breast cancer.'



But maybe not the dominant, either. Maybe not even involved. Maybe is a big

word for 'we have no idea,' only some correlations of unproven value.



>" Dr. Whittaker goes on to recommend that

>anyone with serious cancer take 300mg+ of CoQ10.

>

>I have another report on the study by Dr. Lockwood of Copenhagen, Denmark. In

>addition to the CoQ10, the subejcts all supplemented with 58 mg. beta

>carotene, 2.8 grams vit. C, 1.2 grams P linolenic acid, 3.5 grams omega 3

>fatty acids, 2,500 IU vit E, and 385 micrograms of selenium--there was no

>variation in dosages of these supplements. This report states that "coenzyme

>Q10 at 90mg. per day apparently prevented progress of disease while improving

>quality of life in 26 of 32 high-risk breast cancer patients."



'Apparently' is not science either.



>That is my "for what its worth" information and a better report on sources.

>And now for my opinion:  =:-)

>

>I know cancer is serious business and I know also that what may cure one may

>not cure another--and, indeed, that sometimes the acceptance of death and

>preparation for the same is inevitable. But, when you talk of quality of life

>(however long that may be), I don't think I could call life without any hope

>"quality".



Then you haven't dealt with death very much. The constant facts that REFER

to quality of life in terminal cases were pointed out by Dr. Kubler-Ross

long ago: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Grieving, Acceptance. Many, many

people are allowed to not complete this NECESSARY, PSYCHOLOGICALLY HEALTHY

cycle in terminal cases because of the 'hopes' of mysterious healing. It

damages families, it damages patients, it causes real suffering to hold out

'hopes' where the obvious is the case, and it burdens families and loved

ones with the feeling that they aren't/didn't/wouldn't do enough, do

'everything they could' to save their loved one. Such 'hope' is POISON.



Further, maintaining such hope degrades the spirit of the patient, since it

is unreal.



>There is alway hope--right up to the end--miracles have happened

>and continue to do so.



That is emotionally very expensive pie-in-the-sky. This sort of view causes

terminal patients to be lied to, it interferes with processes of emotional

healing critical to their lifecycle, it wastes precious last time, and it

can be very expensive economically as well.



>And there are just too many anecdotal cases of cured

>cancer with some of these alternative therapies to just give up.



How many of these cases occured in recurrent breast malignancy? That

illness I would guess has  somewhere in the range of a .2% survival rate.

It is nearly always fatal.



>If I had

>cancer, I would definitely choose to try a number of the treatments that have

>worked for others. Buying hope can be a miracle in and of itself--the

>determination to live is a powerful healing tool. And, if it didn't work and

>my time was up, I'll bet I would have lived more happily and longer with hope

>than without it.

>

>Wishing you all the best,

>

>Kathy



Unfortunately, that is the speech of one who hasn't gone through this

process much. I have seen this same philosophy do much damage...therefore,

I rise to oppose it. While there is reasonable health, there is reasonable

hope. When terminal illness arises, it is far better to practice acceptance

and healing than to obscure your awareness with guesswork, hopefulness,

scams, bargaining, nonacceptance, nongrieving, emotional rigidity,

willfullness, and noncommunication.



CoQ10 is not the worst of these hopeful therapies, and it may have value in

maintaining the underlying health, even in terminal patients---a virtue.

But it has not been shown to prevent, cause, or treat cancer, regardless of

a few clinical reports from proponents of its use.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for inflammatory breast cancer (long)

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:47:58 -0800



>>>That is a very unreliable idea. CoQ10 hasn't been shown to resolve cancer,

>>>I don't know where you got that propaganda.



>Paul I highly suggest that you be careful blurting out statements w/o

>providing any evidence.  Sure you may not have heard of the healing

>properties of CoQ10, but that doesn't give you the right to label it as

>propaganda.



Pardon me, Walter, but I have researched CoQ10 in the literature available

to me in the UCLA Biomed library. They have a fairly significant holding on

the subject. I am not familiar with current journal articles, but Whittaker

and his ilk are charlatans.



My statement is a simple fact---it has not been shown to resolve cancer. It

is not an accepted cancer therapy. Whether or not it turns out to have use

in the TREATMENT of cancer patients (not cancer) doesn't change my

statement, which is quite specific, though I doubt you'll notice that

through the thick crust of your own prejudices about me.



>>That is my "for what its worth" information and a better report on sources.

>>And now for my opinion:  =:-)

>

>It was very considerate of you for typing up all that information. :)  Ya

>know, it is much easier to blurt out one or two liners than trying to take

>the time to help others.  :-)



And much easier to send people off on wild goose chases than to actually

digest some of the 'knowledge' you have gleaned FIRST. That predigestion is

part of the duty of a healer...if you only aspire to spreading rumors, then

damn you, and I pity those who fall under your sway.



>If someone was dying of terminal cancer, it wouldn't do much to consult you

>chinese herbalist healer. :-)  A better "healer" would be a faith healer

>like Benny Hinn.   At least you can have some hope on something. :->



Chinese medicine treats cancer, and has some success at it. But cases like

this one are not really the proper locus for your cynical and sarcastic

attack on me, or don't you have any sense of propriety?



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for inflammatory breast cancer (long)

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 00:59:01 -0500



It is good that we can count on you, Paul to be so factual, intellectual, and

brutally honest. I don't think there is anyone on this list that does not

appreciate and respect your knowledge. In addition, we know that if you say

it, it has probably been well-researched. ( I am quite sure you knew of this

type of cancer and the odds of it being treated.) You are appreciated.



I would very much like to know what kinds of cancer are being treated

successfully with Chinese herbal medicine. It would be beneficial to be able

to refer the appropriate people.



You are right, I have not had to deal with a great deal of death, but I

watched my Dad's wife die over a period of 7 years of ovarian cancer that had

metastasized. She had as many different kinds of chemotherapy as she had

 years of extended life (not to mention the surgeries and extensive time in

the hospital)--the quality didn't seem like much to me, but it must have been

worth it to my Dad and her. I guess quality too is in the eyes of the

beholder. And I  do see many customers in my store with cancer--some with

success stories and others that probably just won't make it--but everyone one

of them is looking for hope--quality of life yes, but hope to live another

day/week/month/year in which to enjoy that quality. My customer with

pancreatic cancer is looking for hope and a cure, but he has also ventured

out on a journey with his wife in case he is able to do so in the future.



Walter, thank you for your encouragement and appreciation of my input. You

make some good points. And I expect faith healing would be a good option.



After doing my reading, listening to your most respected opinion Paul, and

reading Walter's post, I still think, if I had breast cancer, I would take

CoQ10--and probably several other alternative therapies available to

me--probably do the faith healer too. (But I would also prepare for my exit

from this life.) If it didn't hurt me, added any quality to my life, and gave

me determination to fight for whatever life I had left, why not? So I leave

this life with my wallet a bit lighter--not of any consequence. It would

still have been a small price to pay for hope, increased stamina, and maybe

even a beneficial placebo effect.



It is good to have diversity, communication, and very knowledgeable

people--what a privilege to be able to access all this so readily. I will

continue to post things I learn that  may be able to help people, and I will

always appreciate feedback as to its credibility.



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for inflammatory breast cancer (long)

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 01:23:25 -0800



>I would very much like to know what kinds of cancer are being treated

>successfully with Chinese herbal medicine. It would be beneficial to be able

>to refer the appropriate people.



Let me refer to this in more depth later. But for now, let me note that I

was referring to herbal oncologists in China. The treatment of cancer, like

many hospital-level medical therapies, is something you must do daily to

get any good at it at all. There is usually no time in such cases for

'learning on the job.'



>You are right, I have not had to deal with a great deal of death, but I

>watched my Dad's wife die over a period of 7 years of ovarian cancer that had

>metastasized. She had as many different kinds of chemotherapy as she had

> years of extended life (not to mention the surgeries and extensive time in

>the hospital)--the quality didn't seem like much to me, but it must have been

>worth it to my Dad and her. I guess quality too is in the eyes of the

>beholder.



Absolutely. Note that I am not recommending despair and resignation. I am

encouraging, in cases of substantial potential mortality, 1) supporting

health as the primary focus, NOT fighting cancer [because fighting cancer

with herbs can make a patient very ill in and of itself]; and 2)

acceptance. You can accept an illness, and deal with it as if it is indeed

fatal, without giving up, and without abandoning REASONABLE treatments.



When my father was dying of metastatic lung and brain cancer, I kept him

very reasonably comfortable and relatively happy with natural means. I even

think I might have saved his life, if not for the steroids the doctors

convinced him to take 'to get him back on his feet' (no long recuperations

are allowed any more). His brothers and sisters, on the other hand, wanted

him on morphine q.i.d, as the doctor recommended. They said, at his bedside

at home while he was semi-conscious, that it was only humane, that he must

be in terrible pain. At which point he woke up, and said 'I'm not in any

pain.'



Not that they believed him, but the point is that this is the proper focus

of #1 above: foster wellbeing, even if the illness is terminal. I could

have savaged him with further chemotherapies, but instead I chose to

enhance his comfort and his clarity of mind. And as a result, he had a

rapprochement with an estranged brother on the day he died...something that

would have been utterly impossible if he HAD been on morphine.



You 'forwarded' the claim that CoQ10 resolves (cures) cancer. There is no

accepted evidence of this, AT ALL.



Now, it remains a fact that CoQ10 depletion is a common concomittant of

illness of all sorts. Understanding that CoQ10 is fundamental to the

electron transport chain feeding off the Citric Acid Cycle, and that these

two processes together produce nearly all cellular energy in the body gives

you an idea of how important a chemical this is. BUT IT DOES NOT REVERSE

DISEASE PROCESSES JUST BECAUSE A BODY IN A POOR STATE OF VITALITY RUNS

SHORT ON IT. That is simply a fallacy of arguing from the ends to the

beginning.



Supplementing CoQ10 WILL PROBABLY improve the health of a chronically ill

person, and MAY improve the health of a terminal cancer patient. In any

case, it is utterly benign as a supplement (except cost). What I am

opposing is setting patients up for false hopes---selling CoQ10 as a

panacea, as a miraculous cure, as a proposition of cure, even. SIGHT

UNSEEN! You don't even have to examine the case---just take this stuff and

get well. That sort of talk really bothers me.



>And I  do see many customers in my store with cancer--some with

>success stories and others that probably just won't make it--but everyone one

>of them is looking for hope--quality of life yes, but hope to live another

>day/week/month/year in which to enjoy that quality. My customer with

>pancreatic cancer is looking for hope and a cure, but he has also ventured

>out on a journey with his wife in case he is able to do so in the future.



A wise fellow. Most Americans are a great distance from understanding that

care of serious illness has many aspects of hospice care in it. DENIAL is a

constant. Relationship, interaction, discussion, catharsis...these are

very, very rare, and it is dehumanizing that people spend SO much energy

trying to get well again, and so little UNDERSTANDING AND COMING TO TERMS

WITH THEIR ILLNESS.



>Walter, thank you for your encouragement and appreciation of my input. You

>make some good points. And I expect faith healing would be a good option.



Not my dad, you don't. Some people have non-rational philosophies for which

this would be appropriate. Unfortunately, as a healer, I am unable to

recommend non-rational means. They all too often occlude spirit clarity. I

will not sell superstition to ANY client of mine. Life is too short.



>After doing my reading, listening to your most respected opinion Paul, and

>reading Walter's post, I still think, if I had breast cancer, I would take

>CoQ10--and probably several other alternative therapies available to

>me--probably do the faith healer too. (But I would also prepare for my exit

>from this life.) If it didn't hurt me, added any quality to my life, and gave

>me determination to fight for whatever life I had left, why not?



Bully, Kathy. I would help you. But look back and see that you did not

recommend this as a supplement, but as a CURE.



>So I leave

>this life with my wallet a bit lighter--not of any consequence. It would

>still have been a small price to pay for hope, increased stamina, and maybe

>even a beneficial placebo effect.



NO. Placebo has NO place in critical disease therapy. This is absolutely

the time for honesty and humanity, not tricks. The only exception is for

humanitarian (euthanasia) reasons. Patients have a right to REAL knowledge,

not polite or well-meaning lies.



>It is good to have diversity, communication, and very knowledgeable

>people--what a privilege to be able to access all this so readily. I will

>continue to post things I learn that  may be able to help people, and I will

>always appreciate feedback as to its credibility.

>

>Wishing you all the best,

>

>Kathy



You'll get it, too.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:47:20 EST



hello, folks. i am wondering is peppermint alright to drink everyday?

(tea)

linda shipley

If not, what tea is tasty and ok for daily consumption?  thanks to

whomever cares to respond.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: Michael Moore <hrbmoore@RT66.COM>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:29:07 -0700



>Linda K Shipley wrote:

>>

>> hello, folks. i am wondering is peppermint alright to drink everyday?

>> (tea)

>> linda shipley

>> If not, what tea is tasty and ok for daily consumption?  thanks to

>> whomever cares to respond.

>

>

>Peppermint Tea should not be taken for more then 8 to 12 days

>consecutively.  After that time, wait at least a week before resuming, or

>heart problems may result.



I would have to disagree..."heart problems"??



I have never observed anything remotely resembling such a reaction to

Peppermint.



On the contrary...it is one of several herbs that can lessen the reflex

palpitations that can arise from a trapped "gas bubble" in the fundus of

the stomach due to a hiatal hernia (or simple bad food combining by a

person with delicate digestion).



Then again, perhaps you have had personal experiences with Peppermint

causing heart problems in long-term use.  In which case I will shut up (as

long as you are willing to relate them).  I haven't learned anything new

today, and I'm always willing.











Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: Paula Dixon <paula.dixon@SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 23:44:18 -0800



Michael Moore wrote:

>

> >Linda K Shipley wrote:

> >>

> >> hello, folks. i am wondering is peppermint alright to drink everyday?

> >> (tea)

> >> linda shipley

> >> If not, what tea is tasty and ok for daily consumption?  thanks to

> >> whomever cares to respond.

> >

> >

> >Peppermint Tea should not be taken for more then 8 to 12 days

> >consecutively.  After that time, wait at least a week before resuming, or

> >heart problems may result.

>

> I would have to disagree..."heart problems"??

>

> I have never observed anything remotely resembling such a reaction to

> Peppermint.

>

> On the contrary...it is one of several herbs that can lessen the reflex

> palpitations that can arise from a trapped "gas bubble" in the fundus of

> the stomach due to a hiatal hernia (or simple bad food combining by a

> person with delicate digestion).

>

> Then again, perhaps you have had personal experiences with Peppermint

> causing heart problems in long-term use.  In which case I will shut up (as

> long as you are willing to relate them).  I haven't learned anything new

> today, and I'm always willing.

>

> Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

> -----------------------------------------------------------------

> http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

> All my teaching and clinical manuals, over 1,000 medicinal plant

> images and class announcements can be obtained at my web site.



I double checked my source, "The Herb Book" by John Lust.  I will however

double check my references in "Global Herb", Earl Mindell's "Herb Bible"

and Debra St. Claire's "Pocket Herbal reference guide".  These are the

sources my course uses.  I will get back to you if I have made a mistake.

I wouldn't want to lead anyone down the garden path so to speak.

Paula





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: Paula Dixon <paula.dixon@SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 23:15:21 -0800



Linda K Shipley wrote:

>

> hello, folks. i am wondering is peppermint alright to drink everyday?

> (tea)

> linda shipley

> If not, what tea is tasty and ok for daily consumption?  thanks to

> whomever cares to respond.





Peppermint Tea should not be taken for more then 8 to 12 days

consecutively.  After that time, wait at least a week before resuming, or

heart problems may result.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: ANNA LOUISE FLETCHER <BRIANNA@INFOAVE.NET>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:29:56 -0800



I drink a combination of peppermint and chamomile daily (sometimes

several times daily).  This is my basic tea.  I can add other teas to

this if I wish. If I have a sweet tooth =:o I add a little, tiny bit of

licorice. Yum.

Anna

Brianna@infoave.net

Linda K Shipley wrote:

>

> hello, folks. i am wondering is peppermint alright to drink everyday?

> (tea)

> linda shipley

> If not, what tea is tasty and ok for daily consumption?  thanks to

> whomever cares to respond.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 13:26:38 EST



Hello again.  I have another curious situation. Ever heard of

electrophysiology???? My brother wants to know if it's a good or bad

thing.  They give you jolts or something when looking at your heart

through a microscopic camera of some sort.  I know nothing about it.

The Chinese dr. said he had fire and poor circulation.

Thanks so much for help.

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:01:42 EST



hi. i am not sure that it is theliver qi out of balance, but i have

pretty consistent yellow thick mucous post nasal drip, left over with the

nausea a bit from what was the flu last week.  Paul said it was liver

problem (dandelion root tea ).  Do you have a suggestion on what to take

quickly to rid myself of this yellow mucous?

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:42:59 -0800



>Do you have a suggestion on what to take

>quickly to rid myself of this yellow mucous?

>Linda



Peppermint tea is just about perfect for this.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: Scarlett <scarlett@CBOX.CBX.COM>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:48:11 -0600



Peppermint -- is this something safe for a pregnant woman?  Just call me

overly-cautious....but I'm not putting anything in my body that I *KNOW*

won't be detrimental to my unborn child :)







On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Paul Iannone wrote:



> >Do you have a suggestion on what to take

> >quickly to rid myself of this yellow mucous?

> >Linda

>

> Peppermint tea is just about perfect for this.

>

> Paul

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:35:53 -0900



At 01:01 PM 11/13/96 EST, Linda K Shipley wrote:

>hi. i am not sure that it is theliver qi out of balance, but i have

>pretty consistent yellow thick mucous post nasal drip, left over with the

>nausea a bit from what was the flu last week.  Paul said it was liver

>problem (dandelion root tea ).  Do you have a suggestion on what to take

>quickly to rid myself of this yellow mucous?

>Linda

>

>

At the risk of sounding repetive, I once again recommend Boneset (Eupatorium

perfoliatum).  It is a superior diaphoretic, tonic, febrifuge, and

expectorant with some mild laxative properties.  It is a much underused herb

considering it's almost miraculous effects on viral infections.  It can

single handedly cure the cold and flu.  It's effects on the liver are

marked.  It promotes secretion of bile by the liver and excretion of bile by

gallcysts.  It has a stimulating effect on the bowel as well.

        Perhaps it's not recommended often because it is not used properly.

It should be used frequently and drunk in a hot infusion.  No cold liquids

or foods are allowed while under it's care.  It is recommended that it be

given hourly until diaphoresis is achieved.  You will find that it eases

cough and phlegm and will aid a sufferer in sleeping thus helping the cure.

It's a little bitter tasting but it seems that the more you need it the

better it tastes.  I've often dumped a cold or flu in one night using this

herb alone.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:43:33 -0900



At 05:21 PM 11/14/96 PST, Kathryn M. Bensinger wrote:

>Peppermint is safe for use during pregnancy. However, it is

>stimulating and large quantities may cause sleep problems.  Many are

>not bothered by this but a few are.  Also strong doses may irritate

>mucous membranes, so is safer to stick to standard tea strength

>decoctions.

Peppermint should be infused not decocted and should be covered while

steeping. I'm sure that is what you meant.  An infusion is made by pouring

hot water over the herbs and letting them steep.  A decoction is made by

boiling the herbs in water.  Peppermint it too volatile to decoct.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Qi imbalance

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:41:09 PST



You can drink peppermint tea everyday as long as you notice none of

the mentioned possible side effects, ie. milk reduction,irritated

mucous membranes, ect.  In my experience no side effects appeared

until the daily intake approached 1  quart a day and then only two

people reacted out of 14.  KB

-------------------------------------

E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 11/17/96

Time: 5:41:10 PM



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ritalin substitute

From: ANNA LOUISE FLETCHER <BRIANNA@INFOAVE.NET>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:22:12 -0800



Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> >I would be interested in obtaining some of this for my brother.  He has been

> >on and off of Ritalin for years.  His hyperactivity has been a great

> >hinderance to him both at school and work.  He's intelligent but can't stay

> >still long enough to prove it.  I'm always looking for something that would

> >help him...

> >

> >Toini

>

> Use Chinese ginseng instead of Ritalin. I'm betting many of these

> hyperactivity cases are Digestive disharmony and depleted Center.

>

> Paul



Could a ten year old boy take Chinese ginseng in place of Ritalin as

well? Thanks.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ritalin substitute

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 23:48:07 -0800



>Could a ten year old boy take Chinese ginseng in place of Ritalin as

>well? Thanks.



If indicated, certainly. I would prefer that someone determine first that

this child is not HOT due to Ritalin or their constitution. I wouldn't

recommend ginseng to children who sweat at night, are red-faced, or have

high levels of irritability for instance. But that is not only a

negative...in those cases, a Yin Boosting therapy can help instead.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ritalin substitute

From: michael bellah <mbellah@GR.CNS.NET>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 06:13:18 +0000



Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> >Could a ten year old boy take Chinese ginseng in place of Ritalin as

> >well? Thanks.

>

> If indicated, certainly. I would prefer that someone determine first that

> this child is not HOT due to Ritalin or their constitution. I wouldn't

> recommend ginseng to children who sweat at night, are red-faced, or have

> high levels of irritability for instance. But that is not only a

> negative...in those cases, a Yin Boosting therapy can help instead.

>

> Paul



You've mentioned "Yin Boosting therapy"'s, before Paul. But I can't seem

to find many specifics. Would you please elaborate?



Thanks, Mike

--

mbellah@gr.cns.net



"Learn as if you would live forever, Live as if you would die tomorrow."

-- Mahatma Gandhi





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ritalin substitute

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:54:28 -0800



>Paul Iannone wrote:

>>

>> >Could a ten year old boy take Chinese ginseng in place of Ritalin as

>> >well? Thanks.

>>

>> If indicated, certainly. I would prefer that someone determine first that

>> this child is not HOT due to Ritalin or their constitution. I wouldn't

>> recommend ginseng to children who sweat at night, are red-faced, or have

>> high levels of irritability for instance. But that is not only a

>> negative...in those cases, a Yin Boosting therapy can help instead.

>>

>> Paul

>

>You've mentioned "Yin Boosting therapy"'s, before Paul. But I can't seem

>to find many specifics. Would you please elaborate?

>

>Thanks, Mike



Yin Boosting therapies are a bit hard to describe. Generally, American

youth are likely to develop depleted Yin because they concentrate too much,

for too long, get too little exercise and too much stimulation.



So Yin Boosting starts with understanding PROTECTING YIN to begin with.



Sweets and other stimulants like sodas deplete Yin, too, as does Ritalin,

VERY effectively.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: peppermint tea

From: Daniel Miller <un106@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA>

Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:41:00 -0800



On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Linda K Shipley wrote:



> thank you for your help on the tea.  it really is good stuff. anybody

> else got a tasty everyday tea? glad halloween is over.

>



Halloween over? Not where I live!



Teas. According to Christopher Hobbs, fourth generation herbalist. There

are a number of teas that can be safely said to be consumed daily. Among

these he cited peppermint (unless one has a severe reaction to wintergreen),

dandelion and stinging nettles. He referred to them as mildly tonic in

action. Keep in mind this information was offered to me in a work shop

near 10 years ago.



Dan





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: peppermint tea

From: "Theresa J. McGarry" <tjm-a@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:12:02 -0700



>thank you for your help on the tea.  it really is good stuff. anybody

>else got a tasty everyday tea? glad halloween is over.



I like green tea for everyday.  The blend I drink most often is a

combination of green tea and lemon grass.  Wonderful :)



Theresa





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: peppermint tea

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:16:04 -0800



>>thank you for your help on the tea.  it really is good stuff. anybody

>>else got a tasty everyday tea? glad halloween is over.

>

>I like green tea for everyday.  The blend I drink most often is a

>combination of green tea and lemon grass.  Wonderful :)

>

>Theresa



Drinking cafffeine daily is not a very healthful approach to lifestyle.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: peppermint tea

From: Karyn Spence <KSpence414@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 19:13:25 -0500



HI all,



 >thank you for your help on the tea.  it really is good stuff. anybody

 >else got a tasty everyday tea?



I've been drinking a "nutritive tea" that contains alfalfa, red clover and

nettles.  I add peppermint to it to flavor it.  It is slightly diuretic, so I

make sure to drink other fluids as well.

Karyn





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: peppermint tea

From: Lila <bethr@JLC.NET>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:39:56 -0500



>I do have a habit of reading labels.Forgive me, it's the desire to fit

>everything into a little box neurosis.

Hi Linda,



No forgiveness necessary.  I'm compulsive about it.  It never ceases

to amaze me what stuff is snuck into other stuff.   I went to make

a cup of ginseng tea a couple of weeks ago (one of the mixes that

I find the most palatable) and was playing around with the box while

I was waiting for the water to boil.  I happened to notice that the

two primary ingredients were glucose and lactose and felt like an

idiot that it never occured to me to look before.  I've been drinking

that stuff for years, too.



take care,

Lila b



"It's man trying to be perfect that causes imperfection." - Geoff Tate

"The Earth does not belong to us, We belong to the Earth" - Chief Seattle

"What is, is wrong" - T. Veblen               "So we did" - A. Morisette

Freud was a dweeb...........................................Lyndeboro, NH





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: peppermint tea

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 18:00:03 -0800



>No forgiveness necessary.  I'm compulsive about it.  It never ceases

>to amaze me what stuff is snuck into other stuff.   I went to make

>a cup of ginseng tea a couple of weeks ago (one of the mixes that

>I find the most palatable) and was playing around with the box while

>I was waiting for the water to boil.  I happened to notice that the

>two primary ingredients were glucose and lactose and felt like an

>idiot that it never occured to me to look before.  I've been drinking

>that stuff for years, too.

>

>take care,

>Lila b



Don't buy ginseng 'tea.' A waste of money. Buy paste, or whole roots.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: peppermint tea

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 20:34:27 -0900



At 03:13 AM 11/8/96 EST, Linda K Shipley wrote:

>Ya know, I got some dandelion tea, drank some .  every time it made me

>nauseated i think.  Isn't that weird?

>Linda

>

>

Not really.  Nausea stems from the liver.  Dandelion affects the liver.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: peppermint tea

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:20:57 -0800



>At 03:13 AM 11/8/96 EST, Linda K Shipley wrote:

>>Ya know, I got some dandelion tea, drank some .  every time it made me

>>nauseated i think.  Isn't that weird?

>>Linda

>>

>>

>Not really.  Nausea stems from the liver.  Dandelion affects the liver.



Well, let's look at that a bit more closely. Nausea is an upset of the

Stomach Qi, which is often due to the Liver interfering with the

Stomach...but there is a key factor involved: Turbid Damp.



A simple upset of the Stomach Qi produces hiccough. A simple accumulation

of Dampness in the Stomach produces that heavy, sleepy feeling after a big

meal, and a (non-Pathological in that case) reduction in appetite.



When Damp AND improper Qi mix, this produces Turbid Damp, which becomes a

factor all to itself. Turbid Damp is difficult to manage for the Stomach,

since the Qi aspect can't be 'smoothed out' because it is 'wrapped around

the Damp, and the Damp aspect can't be eliminated easily because it is

'internally stirred' by the improper Qi.



Herbs like ginger or peppermint fight nausea by being 1) Aromatic, which

disperses and spreads the improper Qi, and 2) Drying, which of course

dispels the Dampness.



Further, ginger is Warming, so it supports the Stomach function, which

requires warmth (and in the case of nausea, Turbid Damp is often Cold in

quality, especially if the Damp predominates).



Peppermint is Cooling, so it reduces Heat that accumulates if the Turbid

Damp involves more Qi than Damp. This is usually the useful herb when the

Liver Qi is involved---though in a longstanding case the actual existing

pattern at that moment will determine the proper herb function needed.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: peppermint tea

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:57:34 EST



Well, my liver and turbid damp did a number on me yesterday or else I

caught the flu.  I try so hard not to use traditional drs. but phenergen

released me from "it."  I'm getting a flu shot as quick as I can. It was

really bad.  And considering a kid around the house, one can't relax too

much.  If you have remedies, please share.



Also, you know anything about low basal (i think) body temp. being a sign

of thyroid malfunctioning?  Exactly what is it in chinese medicine? I've

seen stuff at the health food store for thyroid but i don't know if it's

underactive or overactive.  Who know how old the stuff is.  Thanks for

your comments. on these two items?

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Lupus

From: Carolyn Hunnicutt <cth@BELLSOUTH.NET>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 13:26:31 +0000



I was wondering if someone had any advice on how to treat lupus with

central nervous system involvement.I also have raynaud's and

fibromyalgia.I have alot of joint

pain,fatigue,numbness,disorientation,dizziness,memory loss, mouth ulcers

and sun sensitivity,and am interested in herbal treatment.I am confused

about herbs and the immune system.Since Lupus is an overactive immune

system,are immune boosting herbs contraindicated?I'd be interested in

any viewpoint for treatment.Thanks-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lupus

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 01:07:13 -0800



At 01:26 PM 11/1/96 +0000, you wrote:

>I was wondering if someone had any advice on how to treat lupus with

>central nervous system involvement.I also have raynaud's and

>fibromyalgia.I have alot of joint

>pain,fatigue,numbness,disorientation,dizziness,memory loss, mouth ulcers

>and sun sensitivity,and am interested in herbal treatment.



Between Lupis, Raynaud's, and fibromyalgia, I would say you have some major

problems that are not going to be solved over the Herb List. We could

mention herbs or dietary suppliments that might help, especially in the

symptomatic short term, but you can't heal yourself by treating just the

Lupis. There is no one herb, or set of herbs, that will truly help you

without much more information about your body. You need to see a skilled

medical herbalist or health care practiontioner familiar with treating these

types problems that takes the whole picture into account. There are no easy

answers to this question.



>I am confused

>about herbs and the immune system.Since Lupus is an overactive immune

>system,are immune boosting herbs contraindicated?I'd be interested in

>any viewpoint for treatment.



I wouldn't run for immune system herbs. I wouldn't take any new herbs at

all. This would be a stab in the dark. I'd run to the practitioner mentioned

above. She might treat a completely different system, perhaps supporting

other body systems that are constitutionally weak. Either way, you obviously

are looking for alternatives. In your case, do it right. See a practitioner.



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lupus

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:15:06 -0800



>>I am confused

>>about herbs and the immune system.Since Lupus is an overactive immune

>>system,are immune boosting herbs contraindicated?I'd be interested in

>>any viewpoint for treatment.

>

>I wouldn't run for immune system herbs. I wouldn't take any new herbs at

>all. This would be a stab in the dark. I'd run to the practitioner mentioned

>above. She might treat a completely different system, perhaps supporting

>other body systems that are constitutionally weak. Either way, you obviously

>are looking for alternatives. In your case, do it right. See a practitioner.



Not to take anything away from Howie's important point, I can point out

that Lupus, according to Manual of Dermatology in Chinese Medicine (Shen,

Wu, Wang; Eastland Press, Seattle), falls into either Yin Depletion Fire or

Qi Deficiency Blood Stasis.



In the first case, there will be signs of hot flashes, dry skin, nervous

exhaustion; history of drug use, high-stress, or prolongued lack of proper

rest; and possibly night sweats, and restless insomnia.



In the latter case, signs of aching joints, low feverishness (without

flashes), blotchy or dirty-looking skin, history of overwork/underrest,

chronic colds or low immune function, or poor diet.



That might help the process of defining the syndrome some.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lupus

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:39:25 -0800



>I was wondering if someone had any advice on how to treat lupus with

>central nervous system involvement.I also have raynaud's and

>fibromyalgia.I have alot of joint

>pain,fatigue,numbness,disorientation,dizziness,memory loss, mouth ulcers

>and sun sensitivity,and am interested in herbal treatment.I am confused

>about herbs and the immune system.Since Lupus is an overactive immune

>system,are immune boosting herbs contraindicated?I'd be interested in

>any viewpoint for treatment.Thanks-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net



See my other post. This is the Qi Depletion/Blood Stasis pattern. Boosting

the immunity THROUGH BOOSTING SPLEEN QI is indicated.



Discontinue eating fruit, fruit juice, cold or iced foods. Avoid all

stimulants, and ABSOLUTELY avoid eating sweets after meals. Eat warm foods,

like soup, at every meal.



Chinese ginseng, and ginger teas will also help, as will nightly warm

ginger compress on your abdomen over the navel.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Una de Gato

From: Cynthia Washburn <be981@SCN.ORG>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 08:20:22 -0800



i'd very much like to know the name of this supplier. are their

products available nationwide?  it's been quite a while since

i last looked, but the only stevia i was able to find was

considerably more expensive.  thanks. be981@scn.org





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Co-enzyme Q-10 & cancer

From: Brian Murphy <NOLAspr@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:41:48 -0500



whoo!  The amount of emotion displayed at this topic illistrates that the

practice of healing is more than a intellectual and cognitive function.  I

believe that there is a very large emotional bond that people develope

 toward their BELIEFS  in a particular therapy wheather one is the

practitiner or the patient.

   The fact is that in conventional medicine and in alternative medicine

their is very little proof of anything.  Every therapy can be debated.  Their

is a large part, I believe, of intuition and creativity that must accompany

any good healing.

   As for Co-enzyme Q10,  I think that there is sufficient evidence for

people to  investigate its use.  It has already been demonstrated to have

very low risk and toxicity.

   In addition to what we can look up in our extensive data bases is evidence

form peoples experiences.  I know that this is not proof but this is still a

valid process that is used by coventional medicine  and  others.  The

experiences of doctors, patients and other pracitioners are collected and

used in addition to all the other objective data.  Just because some data is

not convertable to numbers and plugged into and biometric formula does not

make it useless.

   I know of one oncologist who has been monitoring one of her patient in the

use of co-enzyme Q-10 .  She reported to me that he refused conventional

chemotherapy and  has taken co-enzyme Q 10

 for two years.  She stated to me that his lung tumor did not  shrink but

that it did not grow either.  My grandfather was diagnosed ( different city)

 with breast cancer 7months ago.  After his mastectomy his doctors told him

to take co-enzyme Q-10.  He is also  taking a anti-estrogen medication.  My

grandfather is 83 yrs old. I do not know if this will help him but I am

certain, I believe, that it will not hurt him.  His physicians apparently

feel the same.

   I really do not think that it is necessary for us to become so defensive

and emotional about what we know or what we believe.  Most of the best

experts disagree on many things. I think that this is very good because it

raises questions and compells us to search further.  But we can only do this

if we have some degree of tolerance and respect for others.  And besides this

is a herb list and Co-Ez Q10 is not even an herb.            Brian Murphy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Co-enzyme Q-10 & cancer

From: Barbara Bettencourt <Bjbetten@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:00:15 -0500



Does anyone know if CoQ10 would be safe for a dialysis patient?  Low

potassium and low phosphorus diet.  Anyone know of Essiac results?



Barb





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Co-enzyme Q-10 & cancer

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:15:27 -0800



>Does anyone know if CoQ10 would be safe for a dialysis patient?  Low

>potassium and low phosphorus diet.  Anyone know of Essiac results?

>

>Barb



There are no known contraindications for CoQ10 supplementation.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Back Pain

From: Henriks <henriks@CYBERHIGHWAY.NET>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:58:50 -0700



Hi All,



My mom hurt her back lifting a box at work. Any suggestions on some herbs

that might ease her pain?



Also does any one know why someone would in the last two years start getting

brown moles on their body (mostly on the back) and after giving birth to her

second child?



P.S. Paul, I got a copy of the book you suggested "The web that has no

weaver" and I'm really enjoying it, and finally starting to understand

Chinese medicine. Thanks!



TIA,

Autumn





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 15:14:31 EST



Hi.  I had the same problems i guess  you could say.  After giving birth

to my daughter, I acquired several warts and moles.  It was very strange.

 I had one taken off.  I've had no fun with these warts though, i.e.

theyre very tiny and on my neck.  I have no idea why.  The ob-gyn said

some people get these.

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: Donna Odierna <strega@WELL.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:42:29 -0800



> Hi.  I had the same problems i guess  you could say.  After giving birth

> to my daughter, I acquired several warts and moles.





A sudden appearance, especially on the neck, of a number of skin tags

(little warty things attached to the skin by a narow base) can indicate a

pre-diabatic condition. When you were pregnant, did you experience

blood-sugar changes? Many women do.



Often they appear with age, and with no discernable cause.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:35:59 -0800



>Hi All,

>

>My mom hurt her back lifting a box at work. Any suggestions on some herbs

>that might ease her pain?



Homeopathic Arnica montana, 30. VERY effective for back pain due to trauma.



>Also does any one know why someone would in the last two years start getting

>brown moles on their body (mostly on the back) and after giving birth to her

>second child?



Chinese healing considers such a thing to be due to FETAL TOXIN. Women are

regularly given a dose of purgative herbs after pregnancy at a particular

point (I think something like three months postpartum) to clear this away.

HOWEVER, I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THIS AD HOC!



>P.S. Paul, I got a copy of the book you suggested "The web that has no

>weaver" and I'm really enjoying it, and finally starting to understand

>Chinese medicine. Thanks!

>

>TIA,

>Autumn



Well, glad you are finally getting some background. As I hope you can see,

it is frankly impossible for me to reprise that material every time I post.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: knee surgery

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:12:53 -0900



At 03:03 PM 10/31/96 -0600, m kent wrote:

>I have to have arthroscopic surgery on my knee in about 6 weeks for torn

>cartilege.

>What should I take to get ready for the surgery and to help healing afterward?

>Thanks,

>Mary

>

>

Taking Calcium and Magnesium, Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids and Rutin will

help your body handle the shock of surgery and help rebuild tissues.  For

this kind of inflammation, the old Mullein Compress is excellent.  It

relieves pain, dissipates collected fluids and blood thus reducing greatly

inflammation and swelling.  It can almost totally eliminate bruising.



Mullein compress:

Place in 2 quarts cider or malt vinegar:

4 oz. Verbascum thap. (Mullein)

1/2 oz Lobelia herb

Gently simmer well covered for 20-30 min.  Strain and add a little tincture

of  cayenne or pour over 1/4 ounce cayenne powder.



Foment affected area as hot as possible for at least 1 hour.  I usually

place a soaked cloth on the area and cover with plastic wrap and place a

heating pad over it all.



This is wonderful for glandular swellings, painful joints and muscles, edema

and other swellings.  Mullein encourages the absorbtion of fluids thus

reducing swelling and inflammation.  Lobelia is very relaxing and

anti-spasmodic.  Using a stimulant like Cayenne makes the other ingredients

more effective and it also can help allay pain and staunch bleeding both on

the surface and under (e.g. good for bruising).  Cayenne is also somewhat

antiseptic.



This fomentation may be stored in a cool place and used within a 3 month period.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: knee surgery

From: Doug Grinder <dgrin@AGT.NET>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:41:44 -0800



Anita Hales wrote:

>

> At 03:03 PM 10/31/96 -0600, m kent wrote:

> >I have to have arthroscopic surgery on my knee in about 6 weeks for torn

> >cartilege.

> >What should I take to get ready for the surgery and to help healing afterward?

> >Thanks,

> >Mary

> >

> >

> Taking Calcium and Magnesium, Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids and Rutin will

> help your body handle the shock of surgery and help rebuild tissues.  For

> this kind of inflammation, the old Mullein Compress is excellent.  It

> relieves pain, dissipates collected fluids and blood thus reducing greatly

> inflammation and swelling.  It can almost totally eliminate bruising.

>

> Mullein compress:

> Place in 2 quarts cider or malt vinegar:

> 4 oz. Verbascum thap. (Mullein)

> 1/2 oz Lobelia herb

> Gently simmer well covered for 20-30 min.  Strain and add a little tincture

> of  cayenne or pour over 1/4 ounce cayenne powder.

>

> Foment affected area as hot as possible for at least 1 hour.  I usually

> place a soaked cloth on the area and cover with plastic wrap and place a

> heating pad over it all.

>

> This is wonderful for glandular swellings, painful joints and muscles, edema

> and other swellings.  Mullein encourages the absorbtion of fluids thus

> reducing swelling and inflammation.  Lobelia is very relaxing and

> anti-spasmodic.  Using a stimulant like Cayenne makes the other ingredients

> more effective and it also can help allay pain and staunch bleeding both on

> the surface and under (e.g. good for bruising).  Cayenne is also somewhat

> antiseptic.

>

> This fomentation may be stored in a cool place and used within a 3 month period.

> ***********************************************************

> *Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

> *                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

> *Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

> *_________________________________________________________*

> *Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

> ***********************************************************I had this procedure done about 4 years ago and it is pretty painless,but

a couple of things you should think about: I had a cast from my ankle to

mid thigh for 6 wks. and got alot of sores from it rubbing on my leg-

try and find somthing that will prevent them or help them heal(Tea Tree

Oil???)That was probaly the worst part.I also had to go through alot of

physiotherapy(sp.?) after- find something that will help strengthen your

muscles around the knee if there is such a thing.Maybe Paul can help you

with the exact herbs for this. Good luck!!!

P.S. Don't get yourself caught in a small bathroom!!!!

Christine





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: knee surgery

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:00:05 -0500



Mary,



I was at a lecture wherein an M.D. said he put all his patients on Gotu Kola

to speed recovery from surgery.



I have found no reference book to back this up--can anyone out there verify

or deny?



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: knee surgery

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:22:05 -0800



>Mary,

>

>I was at a lecture wherein an M.D. said he put all his patients on Gotu Kola

>to speed recovery from surgery.

>

>I have found no reference book to back this up--can anyone out there verify

>or deny?

>

>Wishing you all the best,

>

>Kathy



Ginseng and Danggui formulas are used similarly. The quality of gotu kola

supplies (and the identification problems with this plant) would make it

not as good a solution, imho, and it fails to treat the Blood side of

recovery from any major surgery.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: knee surgery

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:57:04 -0800



>I have to have arthroscopic surgery on my knee in about 6 weeks for torn

>cartilege.

>What should I take to get ready for the surgery and to help healing afterward?

>Thanks,

>Mary



Vitamin C, Zinc, and L-Cysteine are key nutrients to take before and after;

and BROMELAIN (pineapple enzyme) is very useful afterward to aid healing by

reducing inflammation.



Country Life vitamins (no commercial connection to me) makes something

called Ligatend which is about perfect for this. It's a little pricey, but

so is a poor surgical recovery.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: knee surgery

From: John & Theresa Egan <jegan@THERIVER.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 07:41:54 -0800



vit E  is also  taken orally  3 times a day, pre and post surgically.

after the doctor's ok,the E capsule can be pierced and the oil rubbed on

the incisions to hasten healing  and reduce scarring. worked beautifully

on my abdominal scars.

                         theresa



Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> >I have to have arthroscopic surgery on my knee in about 6 weeks for torn

> >cartilege.

> >What should I take to get ready for the surgery and to help healing afterward?

> >Thanks,

> >Mary

>

> Vitamin C, Zinc, and L-Cysteine are key nutrients to take before and after;

> and BROMELAIN (pineapple enzyme) is very useful afterward to aid healing by

> reducing inflammation.

>

> Country Life vitamins (no commercial connection to me) makes something

> called Ligatend which is about perfect for this. It's a little pricey, but

> so is a poor surgical recovery.

>

> Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: knee surgery

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:49:20 -0900



At 02:41 PM 11/1/96 -0800, Doug Grinder wrote:

>Anita Hales wrote:

>>

>> At 03:03 PM 10/31/96 -0600, m kent wrote:

>> >I have to have arthroscopic surgery on my knee in about 6 weeks for torn

>> >cartilege.

>> >What should I take to get ready for the surgery and to help healing

afterward?

>> >Thanks,

>> >Mary

>> >

>> >

>> Taking Calcium and Magnesium, Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids and Rutin will

>> help your body handle the shock of surgery and help rebuild tissues.  For

>> this kind of inflammation, the old Mullein Compress is excellent.  It

>> relieves pain, dissipates collected fluids and blood thus reducing greatly

>> inflammation and swelling.  It can almost totally eliminate bruising.

>>

>> Mullein compress:

>> Place in 2 quarts cider or malt vinegar:

>> 4 oz. Verbascum thap. (Mullein)

>> 1/2 oz Lobelia herb

>> Gently simmer well covered for 20-30 min.  Strain and add a little tincture

>> of  cayenne or pour over 1/4 ounce cayenne powder.

>>

>> Foment affected area as hot as possible for at least 1 hour.  I usually

>> place a soaked cloth on the area and cover with plastic wrap and place a

>> heating pad over it all.

>>

>> This is wonderful for glandular swellings, painful joints and muscles, edema

>> and other swellings.  Mullein encourages the absorbtion of fluids thus

>> reducing swelling and inflammation.  Lobelia is very relaxing and

>> anti-spasmodic.  Using a stimulant like Cayenne makes the other ingredients

>> more effective and it also can help allay pain and staunch bleeding both on

>> the surface and under (e.g. good for bruising).  Cayenne is also somewhat

>> antiseptic.

>>

>> This fomentation may be stored in a cool place and used within a 3 month

period.

>> ***********************************************************

>> *Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

>> *                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

>> *Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

>> *_________________________________________________________*

>> *Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

>> ***********************************************************I had this

procedure done about 4 years ago and it is pretty painless,but

>a couple of things you should think about: I had a cast from my ankle to

>mid thigh for 6 wks. and got alot of sores from it rubbing on my leg-

>try and find somthing that will prevent them or help them heal(Tea Tree

>Oil???)That was probaly the worst part.I also had to go through alot of

>physiotherapy(sp.?) after- find something that will help strengthen your

>muscles around the knee if there is such a thing.Maybe Paul can help you

>with the exact herbs for this. Good luck!!!

>P.S. Don't get yourself caught in a small bathroom!!!!

>Christine

>

>

Christine it wasn't me getting the surgery, I was responding to another

post. I guess it would be hard to put a compress on a leg covered with a

cast.  That would have to wait until the cast is removed.  The mullein

compress will heal the sores and help the circulation following removal of

the cast.  I would only use tea tree oil if there were some infection, it

can be somewhat irritating to sensitive tissues.  Mullein is a much better

choice.  It will help a great deal. Afterwards, I'm sure there are good

exercises to strengthen the muscles around the knee.  That's really the only

way to strengthen a muscle.  Herbs can help circulation, etc. but exercise

is necessary.  The lymph system needs muscle movement to circulate.  It has

no "pump" like blood does.  So moving the muscles is helpful in removing

toxins to aid in healing also.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: [Fwd: Lupus]

From: Carolyn Hunnicutt <cth@BELLSOUTH.NET>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:55:28 +0000



Message



To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Lupus

From: Carolyn Hunnicutt <cth@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 13:26:31 +0000



I was wondering if someone had any advice on how to treat lupus with

central nervous system involvement.I also have raynaud's and

fibromyalgia.I have alot of joint

pain,fatigue,numbness,disorientation,dizziness,memory loss, mouth ulcers

and sun sensitivity,and am interested in herbal treatment.I am confused

about herbs and the immune system.Since Lupus is an overactive immune

system,are immune boosting herbs contraindicated?I'd be interested in

any viewpoint for treatment.Thanks-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for inflammatory breast cancer

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:28:32 -0500



Paul,



Thank you very much for taking the time to share on this issue. I now have

some understanding of your position--and continue to have profound respect

for your knowledge and well-versed, well-thought out philosophy.



Wishing you all the best

(and more great books to enhance your pursuit of knowledge  :~),



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: PANCREATITIS

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:28:45 -0500



Glenna,



I was hoping someone with more knowledge than I would respond to this, but I

have not seen any posts come across. So I will tell you what little I know

from my reference books and maybe someone will confirm or condemn this info.



In a booklet, called Green Barley Essence by Yoshihide Hagiwara, M.D., he

states that  the chlorophyll in Green Barley is highly effective against

inflammations (internal and external), which accounts for its success in

dealing with gastritis, ulcers, and pancreatitis.



Now, lets see what Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing has to say: First it

doesn't say anything about pancreatic cysts. But, for pancreatitis, it

recommends: 300mg chromium daily for maintaining stable blood sugar (as it

often causes diabetes), 1,500 mg Calcium chelate, 1,000 mg. Magnesium chelate

(introduce slowly so as not to cause diarrhea), Pancreatin with all meals,

Proteolytic enzymes  between meals on empty stomache & at bed time (reduces

inflammation & strain on pancreas), Raw Pancreas concentrate to repair

pancreas, B complex 100mg 3X daily w/ extra Niacin & Pantothenic Acid.



The above are listed as essential and very important. The following is under

the "helpful" caregory: lipotropics, Vit C,  CoQ10, Germanium & Vit. E.



It also says to take Echinacea 200 drops per day and says antibiotics may be

necessary. And that one should be sure to consume buttermilk, kefir, yogurt,

and some form f acidophilus. It recommends following a diabetic diet.



That is as much as I have on hand. Hope some of it helps or at least sparks

others to make some suggestions.



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: PANCREATITIS

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:59:04 -0800



>        A friend of mine has pancreatitis and a cyst that is 4cm in

>size on the pancreas.This condition involves a great deal of pain

>that he takes narcotic pain killers for.He has been hospitalized

>twice,both times on IV hyperalimentation and lipids for 6-8 weeks

>after being released from the hospital.He is no better now than 9

>months ago when this all started.The pain is constant and at times,

>intolerable.



This is certainly a case that needs a GOOD DIAGNOSIS! What you have now is

next to useless, other than as an explanation...there is no treatment of

value attached to it.



He should try to find a local Chinese healer with the diagnostic focus to

suss out the pattern. Failing that, post more general health details, and

I'll take my usual stab at general therapies of value.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: PANCREATITIS

From: MS GLENNA R CALLAHAN <LQVR21A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 20:40:25 -0500



     PAUL,





              Had to ask a few questions but,here is all I know about

the pancreatitis.Seems that he had been having gallbladder attacks

that he thought were indigestion.Gallstones blocked the common bile

ducts and set up an inflammatory process in the pancreas.It was so

far gone the first admit to the hospital that,he could have died.The

cyst has not decreased in size but,has increased to 13cm at present.

The doctor's are very concerned and as of this date is scheduled for

surgery on the 13th of NOV.I would still be very interested in

anything you may have.Pancreatitis is usually considered a disease of

heavy drinkers,this is not the case here.nearest I can tell is that

it could have been there for years and,due to the gallbladder flair

up,it was agitated.



             Thanks for your time and,if we had more time to use

herbals I would certainly try.He is to the point that he is tired of

all the pain and wants it over with.





                         Thanks again,

                           Glenna





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: PANCREATITIS

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:16:56 -0900



At 08:40 PM 11/5/96 -0500, MS GLENNA R CALLAHAN wrote:

>     PAUL,

>

>

>              Had to ask a few questions but,here is all I know about

>the pancreatitis.Seems that he had been having gallbladder attacks

>that he thought were indigestion.Gallstones blocked the common bile

>ducts and set up an inflammatory process in the pancreas.It was so

>far gone the first admit to the hospital that,he could have died.The

>cyst has not decreased in size but,has increased to 13cm at present.

>The doctor's are very concerned and as of this date is scheduled for

>surgery on the 13th of NOV.I would still be very interested in

>anything you may have.Pancreatitis is usually considered a disease of

>heavy drinkers,this is not the case here.nearest I can tell is that

>it could have been there for years and,due to the gallbladder flair

>up,it was agitated.

>

>             Thanks for your time and,if we had more time to use

>herbals I would certainly try.He is to the point that he is tired of

>all the pain and wants it over with.

>

>

>                         Thanks again,

>                           Glenna

>

>

One thing that comes to mind for gallstones is parsley.  It is best if it is

juiced and the juice drunk frequently.  An ounce every 4 hours would be a

reasonable dose.  Parsley tea can be used as well but not as effective as

fresh parsley juice.  Some cases of gallstones are claimed to have been

completely cleared using just parsley and lemon juice.  I have had no

personal experience with gallstones but use parsley juice often for several

things.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: PANCREATITIS

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:39:14 -0800



>>              Had to ask a few questions but,here is all I know about

>>the pancreatitis.Seems that he had been having gallbladder attacks

>>that he thought were indigestion.Gallstones blocked the common bile

>>ducts and set up an inflammatory process in the pancreas.It was so

>>far gone the first admit to the hospital that,he could have died.The

>>cyst has not decreased in size but,has increased to 13cm at present.

>>The doctor's are very concerned and as of this date is scheduled for

>>surgery on the 13th of NOV.I would still be very interested in

>>anything you may have.Pancreatitis is usually considered a disease of

>>heavy drinkers,this is not the case here.nearest I can tell is that

>>it could have been there for years and,due to the gallbladder flair

>>up,it was agitated.



>One thing that comes to mind for gallstones is parsley.  It is best if it is

>juiced and the juice drunk frequently.  An ounce every 4 hours would be a

>reasonable dose.  Parsley tea can be used as well but not as effective as

>fresh parsley juice.  Some cases of gallstones are claimed to have been

>completely cleared using just parsley and lemon juice.  I have had no

>personal experience with gallstones but use parsley juice often for several

>things. --Anita



Yes, this is good advice. I've been trying to reply to this case...sorry

for the delay. The reason WHY this kind of case is seen in hardcore

alcoholics is because it is an EXCESS condition. Something has accumulated

that should NOT be there. So it needs to be drained. Something like parsley

juice, a bitter, Cold herb in other words, will help. I would recommend

gentian, or skullcap, or golden seal, and definitely aloe vera as good

places to start.



It would be MUCH better to get worked up by a local healer, but a cautious

experiment with these herbs is probably OK, and SURGERY is NOT the best

option if natural means can help, and in any case, reducing the Excess

BEFORE surgery will enhance the surgical outcome.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Back Pain/moles/diabetes

From: Henriks <henriks@CYBERHIGHWAY.NET>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:15:06 -0700



My sister (the one with the sudden appearance of moles has hypoglycemia, can

this be a sign that it might turn into diabetes?



Autumn





>Hi All,

>

>My mom hurt her back lifting a box at work. Any suggestions on some herbs

>that might ease her pain?

>

>Also does any one know why someone would in the last two years start getting

>brown moles on their body (mostly on the back) and after giving birth to her

>second child?



>> Hi.  I had the same problems i guess  you could say.  After giving birth

>> to my daughter, I acquired several warts and moles.

>

>



>A sudden appearance, especially on the neck, of a number of skin tags

>(little warty things attached to the skin by a narow base) can indicate a

>pre-diabatic condition. When you were pregnant, did you experience

>blood-sugar changes? Many women do.

>

>Often they appear with age, and with no discernable cause.

>

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Back Pain/moles/diabetes

From: Donna Odierna <strega@WELL.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:27:29 -0800



> My sister (the one with the sudden appearance of moles has hypoglycemia, can

> this be a sign that it might turn into diabetes?



The blood sugar swings that can accompany hypoglycemia may in some cases

lead to adult-onset diabetes, or hyperglycemia. There is no solid

evidence linking the phenomena, though, as far as I know.  But if she

does have a blood sugar disorder, and she has the skin tags, next time

she has a physical check-up it woudn't hurt go get the possibility

checked out. Is she aware of the "warning signals" of diabetes? Does it

run in your family?





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Back Pain/moles/diabetes

From: Donna Odierna <strega@WELL.COM>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 18:06:59 -0800



There are several. I'm not sure I remember them all.



Excessive thirst

Frequent urination

Sudden, unexplained weight loss or steady weight gain

Fatigue

Slow healing of cuts and bruises

Vaginal itching and/or increased tendency toward infection



Women who have experienced gestational diabetes (a temporary diabetic

condition that occurs during pregnancy) are more likely than other women

to develop type II, or adult-onset diabetes sometime later in life. Diet,

lifestyle, and use of certain herbs may help some people at risk avoid

developing the condition.





On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, Linda K Shipley wrote:



> excuse me for buttin in, but what are the warning signs for diabetes?





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Request for information on Chinese medicine

From: "susan l. jenkins" <sljenkins@GREENHEART.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:34:14 -0800



Hello to all.  I am very new to this list and have so far been very

impressed with the kindness and generosity of those who offer

information and advice.  I know practically nothing at all about

Chinese medicine and its healing philosophies. I have seen references

to yin and yang properties in many of the messages here but don't

really understand how they are related to certain physiological

functions.  I am hoping someone would be so kind as to recommend basic

texts or sources of information that offer explanation of these in

terms of herbs and nutrition. Thanks very much.



Susan Jenkins





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Request for information on Chinese medicine

From: Cynthia Washburn <be981@SCN.ORG>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:24:49 -0800



one very good book you might want to pick up is The Web That Has

No Weaver.  it explains most of the principles of TCM in very

understandable terms, and is also very well written. you may also

want to pick up Encounters With Qi for a good introductory

overview.



good luck!





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ayruvedic Industry in US

From: "<Chris Robbins>" <Robbincs@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:44:20 -0500



I was wondering if anyone can give me an idea of the size of the Ayrevedic

industry in North America (United States).  Is U.S. demand for  medicinal

plants from the Indian sub-continent growing along with the rest of the

herbal industry here.  Anyone know of articles that explain the niche for

these herbs in the U.S.?   Thanks



Robbincs@aol.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: schools with programs in herbal medicine

From: "Eugenia Provence." <Gardendev2@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 00:09:01 -0500



Hello, there, Brie!



I wish I had had your decision to make in 1987 or 1977.  Just now there are

so many programs that I pale in just thinking about them.



First of all, in the US there's no such thing as a certified or licensed

herbalist, regardless of what the school promises.  If you are interested in

being a practitioner of medicinal herbalism, you need to have a recognized

license of some kind.  (MD, ND, DO, DC, DD, RN--even MT [massage therapis]t)



Some states recognize some things--some others.



If you are interested in theory more than practice, there are a wealth of

resources.  I was holed up in Austin, Texas in 1976, with no place to study

herbalism.  Even then, I found a correspondence course.  Since then I've

graduated (become "certified") from the California School of Herbal Studies.



Bottom line.  Unless you're a legitimate practitioner of a recognized branch

of medicine, you can't practice herbalism in the US.



That doesn't matter, though, for those of us who love herbs.



Keep the green going--



Garden deva





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Coffee Substitute

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 09:18:50 EST



I finally found a coffee substitute that tastes excellent and can be made

in a coffee or expresso machine.  It is called Teechino, Vanilla nut.

Made of roasted carob, chicory, roasted barley, figs, dates, almonds,

Mexican vanilla and natural flavors, whatever those are.  It does not

taste sweet, despite the figs and dates- they seem to give an undertone.

It works for lattes, if you can do dairy.



I've used it to cut the coffee that my husband does not to give up.  It

does well at that because it is brewed the same way.



It's made by Teccino Caffe' from Santa Barbara.  I have no interest, etc.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 09:45:58 -0500



There is another coffee substitute which is becoming increasingly popular

around the U.S.  Was featured in Health Confidential in November. It is

DandyBlend Instant Dandelion Beverage.  I do have an interest in this. If

interested, e-mail me for details.



Peter Gail, Ph.D. Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box

18016, Cleveland OH 44118. (800)697-4858. (216)932-2145. (fax) 932-2187.

e-mail: petergail@aol.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Don <dr2@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:09:19 -0500



I use Roma.   It's really nice stuff...  It's become my 2nd/3rd cup of

java nowadays... :)



Don



On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Yolanda Leamon, Cnm wrote:



> Please send info re: dandelion coffee substitute

>

> I am always looking for options.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Yolanda Leamon, CNM

> 101 n. 20th Street

> Battle Creek, MI  49015

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herbs for menopausal symptoms

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 16:11:39 +0000



Hi there



I am a reflexologist, am in my middle-forties, and have a few patients who

are coming up to or passing their menopause.  Would be grateful for any

advice as to herbal remedies/support in this field.



Also, my dad has first stage alzheimers.  Any advice on this would be

gratefully received.



In anticipation and thanks

Penny





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for menopausal symptoms

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:00:22 -0500



Penny,



I have read many articles telling of double blind studies that show that

Ginkgo Biloba is effective for increasing memory in early alzheimers

patients. Ginkgo increasess circulation of extremities (head, arms,

legs--also good for diabetics).



There are *many* natural products that help with menopausal symptoms--as is

usually the case, no one herb/vitamin/mineral/homeopathic works for everyone.

So the solution is individual and requires that one assess their symptoms and

do some reading. Things that have helped me or people I know are: homeopathy,

EFA's (flax oil, primrose oil, etc), black cohosh, damiana, licorice, dong

quai, gotu kola, vitamin E, calcium/magnesium chelate, exercise, DHEA, Stress

X, St. Johns Wort (depression), and countless combinations of the

aforementioned. I feel sure you will hear from many others on this subject.



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for menopausal symptoms

From: Karen Rhoda <Itype@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 07:38:10 -0500



Being perimenopausal myself, I achieve great relief from a combination of

wild yam and chaste berry (vitex). I recently ran out of the above and the

hot flashes returned  fast and furious. Needless to day I quickly replenished

my supply. As long as I take this combination the hot flashes, irritability

and insomnia are totally subdued. Just passing along what has worked for me

personally. Hope this helps.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: lupus

From: Carolyn Hunnicutt <cth@BELLSOUTH.NET>

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:18:12 +0000



Hi,I'm having trouble getting posts through to this list, if they're

getting through I'm not receiving them.I hope this isn't a repeat post.I

have Lupus with organ and central nervous system involvement.I'm

exhausted all the time with severe joint pain,pleurisy,peripheral

neuropathy,disorientation,memory loss and myositis.Can someone suggest a

natural approach to dealing with this disease?Thanks in

advance,Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: lupus

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:00:27 -0500



Carolyn,



Your condition sounds very complex. If I were in your shoes, I would find a

great, highly recommended classical homeopathic doctor in your area and put

myself in his/her hands. I can't help but think this is your best chance at

wellness. I will be most anxious to see what our experts advise.



FYI: My book (Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing by Balch) under Lupus

says:



Very Important:

Calcium/Magnesium (1500-3,000mg/750mg twice daily)

L-Cysteine & L-Methionine (as directed on label)

L Cystine                                 "

Proteolytic enzymes (as directed)



Important:

Garlic (2 caps w/meals)

Raw thymus/spleen (as directed)

EFA's

Vit. C (3,000-8,000 mg)

Zinc (50-100 mg)



Helpful:

Acidophilus, Kelp, Alfalfa, high B complex, SOD, Vit A, Beta Carotene, Vit E



Additional info:

mild cases respond well to immune system builders (Echinacea, etc.)

diet & rest important

test of food allergies often revealing

avoid alfalfa sprouts, strong sunlight

avoid large groups of people and people ill with viruses

avoid using birth control pills

low fat & salt



lupus can be caused/triggered by drug reactions, pollutants, chemicals,

additives & some foods.



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy



Lupus Foundation 1-800-558-0121



P.S. You will not receive a copy of your own post on this list--but the rest

of us do receive it.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: developmentally delayed child

From: Carolyn Hunnicutt <cth@BELLSOUTH.NET>

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 20:22:36 +0000



My son is 2.5 years old with a moderate to severe speech delay.He did

not grow or gain weight for 1 year and was -3% on the growth chart.He

was diagnosed with colitis and duodenitis and gastroesophogeal reflux.He

was treated with traditional meds for 6 weeks with no follow up.The only

other remarkable thing about his tests was a high level of yeast in his

stool.His abdomen is also very distended.Any advice would be

appreciated.Thanks-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: developmentally delayed child

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:51:34 -0800



>My son is 2.5 years old with a moderate to severe speech delay.He did

>not grow or gain weight for 1 year and was -3% on the growth chart.He

>was diagnosed with colitis and duodenitis and gastroesophogeal reflux.He

>was treated with traditional meds for 6 weeks with no follow up.The only

>other remarkable thing about his tests was a high level of yeast in his

>stool.His abdomen is also very distended.Any advice would be

>appreciated.Thanks-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net



So this is Dampness accumulation. The Dampness (originally from

constitutionally weak Digestion, but then the Dampness that has accumulated

ITSELF blocks Digestive function, producing reflux) 'mists' the mind,

making brain functions unreliable.



Such a child needs to be weaned from fruit and fruit juices ENTIRELY. See

if you can convince him to drink herb teas like chamomile (you might even

do better with ginger ale than with fruit juice, if he absolutely won't

take herb tea).



Use warm ginger compress on his abdomen nightly, and MILD foot massage with

warm sesame oil. You may also use sandalwood oil as a scalp massage.



Reply to this with further dietary details, and I'll give a few more

suggestions.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: developmentally delayed child

From: Carolyn Hunnicutt <cth@BELLSOUTH.NET>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:07:41 +0000



Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> >My son is 2.5 years old with a moderate to severe speech delay.He did

> >not grow or gain weight for 1 year and was -3% on the growth chart.He

> >was diagnosed with colitis and duodenitis and gastroesophogeal reflux.He

> >was treated with traditional meds for 6 weeks with no follow up.The only

> >other remarkable thing about his tests was a high level of yeast in his

> >stool.His abdomen is also very distended.Any advice would be

> >appreciated.Thanks-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net

>

> So this is Dampness accumulation. The Dampness (originally from

> constitutionally weak Digestion, but then the Dampness that has accumulated

> ITSELF blocks Digestive function, producing reflux) 'mists' the mind,

> making brain functions unreliable.

>

> Such a child needs to be weaned from fruit and fruit juices ENTIRELY. See

> if you can convince him to drink herb teas like chamomile (you might even

> do better with ginger ale than with fruit juice, if he absolutely won't

> take herb tea).

>

> Use warm ginger compress on his abdomen nightly, and MILD foot massage with

> warm sesame oil. You may also use sandalwood oil as a scalp massage.

>

> Reply to this with further dietary details, and I'll give a few more

> suggestions.

>

> Paul

Paul-William eats cereal for breakfast,oatmeal or some other whole grain

cereal.He drinks milk .For snack he eats popped corn,cheese,yogurt or

fruit.For lunch,it is usually applesauce,peanut butter sandwich or

macaroni and cheese.For snack usually crackers and butter with tea or

maybe string cheese.For supper lots of veggies-broccoli,brussel

sprouts,beans,peas,carrots,etc.Some meat is always offered.Mostly

chicken,sometimes pork or beef or venison.Always brown rice or potatoes

too.He has a good appetite for a 2.5 year old.He is frustrated alot

because of his inability to express himself and has started to act out

by biting and hitting his siblings and writing on walls FREQUENTLY.He

sleeps alot and has eczema.I don't know what other information might be

helpful -oh,he is extremely hyper-exploratory-into everything and very

short attention span.thanks for your kindness and

input.Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: developmentally delayed child

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 16:21:48 -0800



>Paul-William eats cereal for breakfast,oatmeal or some other whole grain

>cereal.He drinks milk .For snack he eats popped corn,cheese,yogurt or

>fruit.



Ditch the fruit, the cheese, the yogurt, and reduce the fat on the milk.



>For lunch,it is usually applesauce,peanut butter sandwich or

>macaroni and cheese.



Ditch the applesauce, the peanut butter, the cheese.



>For snack usually crackers and butter with tea or

>maybe string cheese.



More cheese! Instead: less cheese, no cheese.



>For supper lots of veggies-broccoli,brussel

>sprouts,beans,peas,carrots,etc.Some meat is always offered.Mostly

>chicken,sometimes pork or beef or venison.Always brown rice or potatoes

>too.He has a good appetite for a 2.5 year old.



Feed him these dinner foods at EACH meal, and add soup to the list if he

will eat it. FORGET the breakfast foods, the fruit, the peanut butter, the

cheese.



>He is frustrated alot

>because of his inability to express himself and has started to act out

>by biting and hitting his siblings and writing on walls FREQUENTLY.He

>sleeps alot and has eczema.I don't know what other information might be

>helpful -oh,he is extremely hyper-exploratory-into everything and very

>short attention span.thanks for your kindness and

>input.Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net



Well, the eczema says right off that part of his problem is inherited, not

his lifestyle. Proper 'minimum dose' homeopathy can cure such problems in

many cases.



This child would benefit from Liu Junzi Tang, Six Gentlemen Decoction:



Chinese ginseng

White Atractylodes

Poria

Licorice

Pinellia

Aged citrus peel



It can be gotten in convenient pills (but without the ginseng) in any

Chinatown. The ginseng could be added as a separate tea, or as capsules if

he can swallow them.



The concept is that by REDUCING Phlegm Dampness, the child's awareness is

unblocked, and that actually SEDATES the child, though he will sleep less

(the Dampness makes it difficult for him to wake up, I'll bet). In the

absence of these herbs, strict dietary controls to reduce and eliminate

sources of dietary Damp will help moderate the condition.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: developmentally delayed child

From: Doug Grinder <dgrin@AGT.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 00:02:52 -0800



Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> >Paul-William eats cereal for breakfast,oatmeal or some other whole grain

> >cereal.He drinks milk .For snack he eats popped corn,cheese,yogurt or

> >fruit.

>

> Ditch the fruit, the cheese, the yogurt, and reduce the fat on the milk.

>

> >For lunch,it is usually applesauce,peanut butter sandwich or

> >macaroni and cheese.

>

> Ditch the applesauce, the peanut butter, the cheese.

>

> >For snack usually crackers and butter with tea or

> >maybe string cheese.

>

> More cheese! Instead: less cheese, no cheese.

>

> >For supper lots of veggies-broccoli,brussel

> >sprouts,beans,peas,carrots,etc.Some meat is always offered.Mostly

> >chicken,sometimes pork or beef or venison.Always brown rice or potatoes

> >too.He has a good appetite for a 2.5 year old.

>

> Feed him these dinner foods at EACH meal, and add soup to the list if he

> will eat it. FORGET the breakfast foods, the fruit, the peanut butter, the

> cheese.

>

> >He is frustrated alot

> >because of his inability to express himself and has started to act out

> >by biting and hitting his siblings and writing on walls FREQUENTLY.He

> >sleeps alot and has eczema.I don't know what other information might be

> >helpful -oh,he is extremely hyper-exploratory-into everything and very

> >short attention span.thanks for your kindness and

> >input.Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net

>

> Well, the eczema says right off that part of his problem is inherited, not

> his lifestyle. Proper 'minimum dose' homeopathy can cure such problems in

> many cases.

>

> This child would benefit from Liu Junzi Tang, Six Gentlemen Decoction:

>

> Chinese ginseng

> White Atractylodes

> Poria

> Licorice

> Pinellia

> Aged citrus peel

>

> It can be gotten in convenient pills (but without the ginseng) in any

> Chinatown. The ginseng could be added as a separate tea, or as capsules if

> he can swallow them.

>

> The concept is that by REDUCING Phlegm Dampness, the child's awareness is

> unblocked, and that actually SEDATES the child, though he will sleep less

> (the Dampness makes it difficult for him to wake up, I'll bet). In the

> absence of these herbs, strict dietary controls to reduce and eliminate

> sources of dietary Damp will help moderate the condition.

>

> Paul



I've read that you are not supposed to give a child Ginseng until they

reach puberty because it is a "hormone herb" and my stunt their growth.

Is that true?





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: developmentally delayed child

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:57:07 -0800



>I've read that you are not supposed to give a child Ginseng until they

>reach puberty because it is a "hormone herb" and my stunt their growth.

>Is that true?



No, that is utter and abysmal ignorance.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: developmentally delayed child

From: Doug Grinder <dgrin@AGT.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:47:45 -0800



Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> >I've read that you are not supposed to give a child Ginseng until they

> >reach puberty because it is a "hormone herb" and my stunt their growth.

> >Is that true?

>

> No, that is utter and abysmal ignorance.

>

> Paul





I read this in Today's herbal health for children by Louise Tenney.She

also claims that children should not be given Damiana, Black Cohosh,

and Cascara Sagrada. Any truth to those?

And should I stop using this book as a reference?

Christine





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: developmentally delayed child

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:11:23 -0800



>I read this in Today's herbal health for children by Louise Tenney. She

>also claims that children should not be given Damiana, Black Cohosh,

>and Cascara Sagrada. Any truth to those?

>And should I stop using this book as a reference?

>Christine



Children should not be fed herbs willy-nilly, so I suppose you could

generate a huge list of herbs NOT to be used. Ginseng is an herb that is

commonly used in cases involving depletion of Essential and Digestive Qi,

regardless of age. It is, as is well-known, one of the premier herbs on the

planet for restoring feeble health.



Cascara is a laxative. What child needs laxation?



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: developmentally delayed child

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:17:11 -0900



At 02:47 PM 11/6/96 -0800, Doug Grinder wrote:

>Paul Iannone wrote:

>>

>> >I've read that you are not supposed to give a child Ginseng until they

>> >reach puberty because it is a "hormone herb" and my stunt their growth.

>> >Is that true?

>>

>> No, that is utter and abysmal ignorance.

>>

>> Paul

>

>

>I read this in Today's herbal health for children by Louise Tenney.

>And should I stop using this book as a reference?

>Christine

>

>

I'd say so.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: developmentally delayed child

From: Carlos Becerra Quiroz <esenio@TELNOR.NET>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 00:26:04 -0800



At 02:11 PM 11/6/96 -0800, you wrote:

>>I read this in Today's herbal health for children by Louise Tenney. She

>>also claims that children should not be given Damiana, Black Cohosh,

>>and Cascara Sagrada. Any truth to those?

>>And should I stop using this book as a reference?

>>Christine

>Paul Wrote:



>Cascara is a laxative. What child needs laxation?

>

>Paul

>

>Cascara Sagrada is NOT a laxative only. His most important accion is the

diabetes control.

Carlos Becerra.

P.D.  Sure, isn't for children.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chocolate substitute

From: Lyn Jones <lynj@MIDCOAST.COM.AU>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:02:05 +1100



Hi

I have tried "Black Sapote" here in Australia (it sounds like the same one)

and to me it doesn't really taste like Chocolate does it, to me it taste a

bit like dates.

I went into your Web page and I find it very interesting, Thanx.

I don't know much about this plant thou, I know it's ground north of here

where it's a bit warmer, and they are expensive here to buy but thats it if

you could tell me more about it, like how long for the fruit to mature, how

long to wait for first harvest.



Lyn



>Hi!

>

>        I would like to introduce myself.  I took birth 12/17/57 in New

>Orleans.  I currently reside in New Orleans.  I am developing a community

>service organization known as O.O.A.S.I.S., Inc..  You can find our

>website at http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis.  Thank you for your patience and

>if I can be of assistance, please let me know.

>

>        Have you tried "Black Sapote" as a chocolate substitute?  They are

>mentioned in the January 1996 edition of Organic Gardening magazine.  They

>grow best in Mexico.

>

>Sincerely,

>

>ox

>

>           ________________________________________________________

>              O.O.A.S.I.S., Inc. (http://www.gnofn.org/~oxoasis)

>             Cruelty-free Sustainable Agriculture and Food Relief

>              If possible, please add this link to your website.

>           ________________________________________________________

>

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ulcers

From: Dragon <ddraig@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 17:47:12 +0000



I have a friend who could use some help ... she's just recently

recovered from a severe case of colitis and an ulcerated colon, along

with stomach ulcers. She's going through some stress, and the stomach

ulcers have flared up again. I wonder if there's anything any of you

could suggest to help her out?



Any info would be appreciated.



Yours,

Dragon





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcers

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 00:57:08 -0500



Enzymatic Therapy (I have no financial interest in this company) has a

product out called DGL which I was introduced to by a Naturopathic Doctor. It

is licorice root (deglyccerized--spelling?) and is a marvelous healing herb

for stomache ulcers. It works better than any prescriptive drug for many

people. However, it must be chewed and has a very intense black licorice

flavor. But, most people feel better almost immediately and I have heard that

it will heal stomache ulcers. I cannot verify this, but I read that studies

were done on swallowing licorice pills and chewing them and there was

definite advantage to having the licorice mixed well with saliva.



Wishing you Wellness,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcers

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:18:09 -0800



>Enzymatic Therapy (I have no financial interest in this company) has a

>product out called DGL which I was introduced to by a Naturopathic Doctor. It

>is licorice root (deglyccerized--spelling?) and is a marvelous healing herb

>for stomache ulcers. It works better than any prescriptive drug for many

>people. However, it must be chewed and has a very intense black licorice

>flavor. But, most people feel better almost immediately and I have heard that

>it will heal stomache ulcers. I cannot verify this, but I read that studies

>were done on swallowing licorice pills and chewing them and there was

>definite advantage to having the licorice mixed well with saliva.

>

>Wishing you Wellness,

>

>Kathy



While licorice has a nutritive and demulcent effect in case of ulcer (and

also Boosts Stomach Qi, which is chronically depleted in such cases, and

reduces Toxin accumulation); more complete therapies for antibiotic

non-responsive GI ulcers will include therapies for stopping bleeding, for

Moving Stuck Blood, for relieving pain (licorice does this some), and for

removing other Pathogenic factors.



No herb will eliminate any needed lifestyle rectification, of course.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcers

From: Carlos Becerra Quiroz <esenio@TELNOR.NET>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 23:49:11 -0800



At 05:47 PM 11/3/96 +0000, you wrote:

>I have a friend who could use some help ... she's just recently

>recovered from a severe case of colitis and an ulcerated colon, along

>with stomach ulcers. She's going through some stress, and the stomach

>ulcers have flared up again. I wonder if there's anything any of you

>could suggest to help her out?

>

>Any info would be appreciated.

>

>Yours,

>Dragon

>

>Hello:

Filipendula Ulmaria (Ulmaria) is usefull for ulcers of any kind; in the same

way works the "Glycyrrhiza glabra", I think Ulmaria is a little beter.

Carlos Becerra





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcers

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:25:04 -0800



>I have a friend who could use some help ... she's just recently

>recovered from a severe case of colitis and an ulcerated colon, along

>with stomach ulcers. She's going through some stress, and the stomach

>ulcers have flared up again. I wonder if there's anything any of you

>could suggest to help her out?

>

>Any info would be appreciated.

>

>Yours,

>Dragon



The first and MOST important thing to be done is to tell your friend to

STOP (TOTALLY) eating frozen desserts, iced tea, fruit and fruit juice.



Typically in American sufferers of LOWER GI tract problems, COLD is the

Pathogenic factor of note. Even though the problem is now upper GI, the

cause can still be the same...it is as if the Cold being currently added

can't sink any further because the lower GI is already full of it.



Ginger tea will aid marvelously IF this sort of dietary impropriety is

involved.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcers

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:28:41 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-04 01:26:47 EST, you write:



>Interesting.I have heard of licorce for ulcers.

>However caution must be exercised.Licorce can cause high blood pressure.

>Regards Sam

>

>Dr. Sam Sussman,

>London and St. Thomas Psychiatric Hospitals,

>Social Work Department,



Dr. Sussman,



If I am not mistaken, the licorice is deglyccerized so that the high blood

pressure issue will not be a problem. Can someone out there confirm that?



All the best,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcers

From: Karen Rhoda <Itype@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 07:38:14 -0500



Recent studies have found that most stomach ulcers are NOT stress induced but

caused by Helicobacter pylori. There are blood tests available to rule this

out. If this is the case then antibiotic therapy is the best course of

action. Actually two antibiotics and an antacid are given simultaneously for

10 days - 2 weeks. Hope this helps.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcers

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:18:15 -0800



>Recent studies have found that most stomach ulcers are NOT stress induced but

>caused by Helicobacter pylori. There are blood tests available to rule this

>out. If this is the case then antibiotic therapy is the best course of

>action. Actually two antibiotics and an antacid are given simultaneously for

>10 days - 2 weeks. Hope this helps.



You will note that my comments were in reference to NON-ANTIBIOTIC

RESPONDING ulcers.



The bacterial explanation is just another case where a superficial

condition can be cured with mechanistic means, while a deeper one festers.

Stress plays a GREAT part in human illness causation, and the occasional

intervention that allows for conventional medicine to ignore this fact is

always celebrated with a hysteria approaching the religious.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcers

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 13:26:38 EST



Hi guys.  I have a question for you all.  Will you help me with it

please?  My sister has a problem of stomach aches, tired all the time,

alot of stress.  What would you all suggest for her?  I think she is

getting some ginseng tea, but I told her I would check with you all.

Thanks in advance.



Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcers

From: Leigh Ann Wallace <Jubalation@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:01:40 -0500



Dong quai is the female equivalent of ginseng. It might work better for her.

Camomile is also good for nerves and stress.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcers

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:21:56 -0800



>Dong quai is the female equivalent of ginseng. It might work better for her.



Danggui is NOT the 'female equivalent of ginseng.' That is utter nonsense.

Women consume voluminous amounts of GINSENG, as indicated, and men consume

danggui as needed, too. There is no reason to regard the plant world with

such USELESS generalizations.



The general rule being pointed to in such myths is that men are basically

Qi-oriented, while women are Blood-oriented. This is a general maxim, and

useful in its own way. It DOES NOT extend to absurd generalities about two

very useful herbs.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Teas

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 22:00:15 -0500



Seelect has some herbal teas out called AROMAtheraTEA. They are nicely

aromatic as well as good tasting.



The ones I have at home are:



Joviality: chamomile, oatstraw, spearmint, peppermint, raspberry, sage,

yarrow, licorice root, rose hips, sarsaparilla, essential oil of clary sage



Tranquility:chamomile, raspberry, lemon grass, alfalfa, wild cherry bark,

rose hips, valerian, fenugreek, essential oil of Neroli



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: melissa supreme

From: "Sara Lewis Espada User." <ARHCSARA@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 08:44:28 -0500



Paul & Kathy



Thanks for the info on the Chinese and American Ginseng for ADD, but that

still didn't answer my question about GAIA's Melissa Supreme.  Do you or does

anybody know if the effects are cumulative?  Is it OK to take continuously or

should he take a break some days?  Thanks.



Sara





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Renal Problem

From: BLACKKAT <BLACKKAT@INFOAVE.NET>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:46:08 -0500



To all Group members:



I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for treatment by herbs of a

condition called *Renal Angiomyolipoma*.  The tumor itself is benign, size

of a small orange, no change in the size since it was discovered 18 months ago.



Blessings,

Sandi

BlackKat@InfoAve.Net



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.  Our deepest fear is that we are

powerful beyond measure.   It is our light, not our darkness, that most

frightens us.

    from A Course in Miracles

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Renal Problem

From: Barbara Bettencourt <Bjbetten@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:15:36 -0500



I have been coping with kidney dysfunction for the last 14 years.  A low

protein diet has been credited with saving kidney function.  High levels of

protein in the blood is very hard on kidneys.



Have they been checking Creatinine levels and Protein in your Urine?





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Renal Problem

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:04:15 -0800



>I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for treatment by herbs of a

>condition called *Renal Angiomyolipoma*.  The tumor itself is benign, size

>of a small orange, no change in the size since it was discovered 18 months

>ago.



And there are no other health complaints? I would find that hard to believe.



Controlling protein intake in the case of a benign kidney tumor is NOT

necessary, btw.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Renal Problem

From: BLACKKAT <BLACKKAT@INFOAVE.NET>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:24:34 -0500



At 05:04 PM 11/4/96 -0800, you wrote:

>>I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for treatment by herbs of a

>>condition called *Renal Angiomyolipoma*.  The tumor itself is benign, size

>>of a small orange, no change in the size since it was discovered 18 months

>>ago.

>

>And there are no other health complaints? I would find that hard to believe.



Paul,



I have no other health complaints aside from the normal, everyday stress and

aggravation that comes with having your own business and a demanding family.

Every once in awhile after eating I get that terribly overfull, bloated

feeling.

I am 5'4 1/2", 135 pounds (probably could lose that extra 10 pounds), had a

complete hysterectomy 8 years ago, taking Pro-Estron Phyto 8-1-1 Complex

instead of synthetic hormones, and a vegetarian who loves hot soups.  The

tumor is growing from the middle of my kidney -* inoperable* as according to

my Dr. he would have to remove the whole kidney and as long as I am not in

pain, it does not grow  etc. I do not see the need.



This  kind of uncommon benign tumor is usually found in people with mental

retardation and seizures - neither of which pertain to me.  Imagine the

surprise on the Doctor's face when he entered the room with the tests,

pictures in hand and saw a normal 49 year old woman with *all her marbles*

so to speak.  I kept asking him why he was staring at me so, and then he

explained it all to me.



I obtained *The Web That Has No Weaver*, *Arisal of the Clear* is currently

out of stock but I obtained another book by Flaws, *Keeping Your Child

Healthy with Chinese Medicine* because I have a 4 1/2 year old grandson that

we treat herbally for everything.



Blessings!

Sandi

BlackKat@InfoAve.Net



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.  Our deepest fear is that we are

powerful beyond measure.   It is our light, not our darkness, that most

frightens us.

    from A Course in Miracles

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Renal Problem

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:20:58 -0800



>At 05:04 PM 11/4/96 -0800, you wrote:

>>>I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for treatment by herbs of a

>>>condition called *Renal Angiomyolipoma*.  The tumor itself is benign, size

>>>of a small orange, no change in the size since it was discovered 18 months

>>>ago.

>>

>>And there are no other health complaints? I would find that hard to believe.

>

>Paul,

>

>I have no other health complaints aside from the normal, everyday stress and

>aggravation that comes with having your own business and a demanding family.

>Every once in awhile after eating I get that terribly overfull, bloated

>feeling.

>I am 5'4 1/2", 135 pounds (probably could lose that extra 10 pounds), had a

>complete hysterectomy 8 years ago,



Having had a complete hysterectomy is not a condition I would describe as

'no other health complaints.' WHY did you have a hysterectomy?



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Renal Problem

From: BLACKKAT <BLACKKAT@INFOAVE.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:10:57 -0500



At 06:20 PM 11/5/96 -0800, you wrote:



>>I am 5'4 1/2", 135 pounds (probably could lose that extra 10 pounds), had a

>>complete hysterectomy 8 years ago,

>

>Having had a complete hysterectomy is not a condition I would describe as

>'no other health complaints.' WHY did you have a hysterectomy?



Paul,

The hysterectomy was performed after years of pain from fibroids and an

ovarian cyst (benign) that was growing.  I had not been bitten by the

Herbalism bug yet, so knew next to nothing about *alternative* medicine.

And at the time, I was living and working in South Florida, which is

definitely not a mecca for *alternative medicine and the practice theeof.*

Blessings!

Sandi

BlackKat@InfoAve.Net



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.  Our deepest fear is that we are

powerful beyond measure.   It is our light, not our darkness, that most

frightens us.

    from A Course in Miracles

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: stimulating appetite

From: Marcia Daniels <Mldaniels1@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:03:45 -0500



Am interested in herbal approaches in stimulating appetite in 10 1/2  year

old boy who is 56 lb, 55 in tall.  No medical or psychological reason for

poor appetite, just doesn't like to eat.  Has seen nutritionist,

psychologist, gastroenterologist who all concur he just doesn't like to eat.

 Problem present since he began to feed himself at about l6 months of age.

 Sees himself as thin, states he knows he needs to eat more to be healthy but

doesn't feel hungry ever.  Have tried all kinds of behavioral and food

incentive interventions(as well as doing nothing and not paying attention to

food intake) without success in increasing intake over the years..  Thanks in

advance for any suggestions. mldaniels1@aol.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stimulating appetite

From: Barbara Bettencourt <Bjbetten@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 18:11:18 -0500



Although it's not herbal...Zinc Supplements are supposed to stimulate

appetite.



Barb





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stimulating appetite

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:55:32 -0800



>Although it's not herbal...Zinc Supplements are supposed to stimulate

>appetite.

>

>Barb



ONLY if the lack of appetite is due to zinc depletion, which is unlikely in

most cases where a decent diet has been consumed over the preceding months.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stimulating appetite

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:00:06 -0800



>Am interested in herbal approaches in stimulating appetite in 10 1/2  year

>old boy who is 56 lb, 55 in tall.  No medical or psychological reason for

>poor appetite, just doesn't like to eat.  Has seen nutritionist,

>psychologist, gastroenterologist who all concur he just doesn't like to eat.

> Problem present since he began to feed himself at about l6 months of age.

> Sees himself as thin, states he knows he needs to eat more to be healthy but

>doesn't feel hungry ever.  Have tried all kinds of behavioral and food

>incentive interventions(as well as doing nothing and not paying attention to

>food intake) without success in increasing intake over the years..  Thanks in

>advance for any suggestions. mldaniels1@aol.com



These problems are usually due to a weak Stomach that cannot properly

process foods, so there is a constant sense of mild nausea at an early age.

In other words, Dampness and Food Stagnation.



Treatment is a WARM diet ONLY, soups with each meal. Generally, these foods

have to be readily available, as impatience is usually present here as

well. Microwaved food might be necessary, if freshly prepared or

conventionally warmed soups aren't available. These soups should be beef or

lamb based, in general...higher protein intake is the central issue in such

malnutrition (protein Kcal depletion is the biggest health issue). DO NOT

BECOME RELIANT ON PROTEIN POWDER FRUIT DRINKS...they will only make the

case worse over time.



Consumption of MUSTARD and GINGER flavored foods can be quite helpful (to

taste).



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stimulating appetite

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:28:54 -0500



I have heard that alfalfa can stimulate the appetite (liquid one on market

called Alfalco) and I have also heard that Vitamin B complex, brewers yeast,

ginsing and exercise are useful in stimulating the appetite. (Paul would

probably know the best kind of ginsing to use.)



Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing says Zinc can enhance the taste of food

and a protein supplement like Spirutein from Nature's Plus (comes in many

flavors and is a wonderful food based balanced drink that you can mix with

milk) between meals might help also.



Not drinking liquids before or during meals is another good suggestion.



Here's a real strange one: "Try eating from red plates. This color stimulates

the taste buds."  (Well, now I know what color my plates are not going to

be!)  =;o)



All the best,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stimulating appetite

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 21:59:44 -0800



>I have heard that alfalfa can stimulate the appetite (liquid one on market

>called Alfalco) and I have also heard that Vitamin B complex, brewers yeast,

>ginsing and exercise are useful in stimulating the appetite. (Paul would

>probably know the best kind of ginsing to use.)



Depends on the CAUSE. As always. Even a shotgun has to be aimed in the

general direction of the prey.



>Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing says Zinc can enhance the taste of food



ONLY if you are zinc deficient. This is the kind of backwards thinking that

makes such books near USELESS! Zinc DEFICIENCY causes taste bud problems;

that does not mean that someone with sufficient zinc will get a result from

taking zinc. THEY WILL NOT.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stimulating appetite

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:53:26 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-05 01:05:33 EST, you write:



<<  Zinc DEFICIENCY causes taste bud problems;

 that does not mean that someone with sufficient zinc will get a result from

 taking zinc. THEY WILL NOT.  >>



So glad you said that....you probably saved someone from zinc poisoning.





     See ya!       ;  )    Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL.COM



     Non-Force Chiropractic Techniques

     217 Vine St. 1 Front

     Philadelphia, PA 19106-1210

     Phone and Fax  215-922-5447  beeper 215-250-1151





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stimulating appetite

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:28:36 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-05 01:05:33 EST, you write:



>>I have heard that alfalfa can stimulate the appetite (liquid one on market

>>called Alfalco) and I have also heard that Vitamin B complex, brewers

yeast,

>>ginsing and exercise are useful in stimulating the appetite. (Paul would

>>probably know the best kind of ginsing to use.)

>

>Depends on the CAUSE. As always. Even a shotgun has to be aimed in the

>general direction of the prey.

>

>



Still laughing!  (Unfortunately, some of us still think "trial & error" is a

healing science.)



Nice to have you back, Paul!



You told this lady not to get reliant on protein powder fruit drinks. Given

the education I have received on fruit from you, I am wondering if this

recommendation is because of the inclusion of fruit in the protein powder or

if it is a general warning against protein powders? And is this a patient

specific suggestion or does it have wider application?



Thanks much,



Kathy



P.S. Your comment under "triple by-pass" heading sent me off on another round

of rollicking laughter--which is no small feat given the migraine I am

experiencing.

"Hmmm" is definitely not the most profound comment I have heard from you, but

it is the shortest.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stimulating appetite

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:03:47 -0800



>You told this lady not to get reliant on protein powder fruit drinks. Given

>the education I have received on fruit from you, I am wondering if this

>recommendation is because of the inclusion of fruit in the protein powder or

>if it is a general warning against protein powders? And is this a patient

>specific suggestion or does it have wider application?

>

>Thanks much,

>

>Kathy



Protein powders, not made into drinks, have their place in some diets. I

don't recall the context here (gosh I have a short memory), but generally I

oppose such fruit and protein slurries as a daily habit supposed to be good

for you.



What is the recommended daily allowance for glop?



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Triple By-Pass

From: Randy Froeba <htcw@GNA.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:05:54 -0600



Hi Group!

My Dad under went a Triple By-Pass operation. Needless to say his

lifestyle has made a 180 degree turn from what it was before. The

doctor has him on blood thinners and on insolin (mild case according

to the doctor which he said was a result of the operation). What

would be a good heart tonic to help him keep his heart strong and

stop the arteries from becoming blocked again? He is on a diet of

no red meat,no green veggies and low or no FAT everthing.



Any suggestions or a place I can look this up would be great.



Thanks,

Randy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Triple By-Pass

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:28:59 -0500



Soooo many natural things can help eliminate future problems:



CoQ10 for oxygen, calcium/magnesium chelate for cardiac muscle, L-Carnitine

to reduce fat and triglyceride levels, Lecithin for fat emulsifying, EFA's to

prevent plaque build-up and hardening of arteries, Vitamin E & other

antioxidants, Folic Acid (to prevent stroke) & B vitamins, Hawthorne Berry

Herb & so many more.



Solaray and several other companies have combination heart formulas that make

it a bit easier to include these things in one's diet. And there are LOTS of

good books out there that help lay out diet as well as supplements.



Hope your Dad does a lot better job of listening to you than my Dad does to

me. If his medical doctor didn't say it, it wasn't true. Did get the doctor

to at least admit that taking a few of these couldn't hurt--he'd at least

heard of Vitamin E and its benefits.



Regards,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Triple By-Pass

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 22:03:43 -0800



>Soooo many natural things can help eliminate future problems:

>

>CoQ10 for oxygen <snip> Vitamin E & other

>antioxidants,



Hmmm...



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Triple By-Pass

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:10:30 -0800



>Minerals are also very important; get colloidal form for maximum absorption.



Not in the nutritional science I know. There is considerable controversy on

this claim.



>E-mail me if you want more information.  Regards!



Your commercial disclaimer is missing here. Please supply it, or don't make

such offers on the list.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Skin tags, was Re: Back Pain

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 17:32:34 -0800



>Hi.  I had the same problems i guess  you could say.  After giving birth

>to my daughter, I acquired several warts and moles.  It was very strange.

> I had one taken off.  I've had no fun with these warts though, i.e.

>theyre very tiny and on my neck.  I have no idea why.  The ob-gyn said

>some people get these.

>Linda



Conventional doctors are UTTERLY in the dark about these excrescences. To

repeat: leave your exterior environment alone as much as possible. Do not

remove these appearances willy-nilly. The association with diabetes, slim

that it is, WHERE ABSOLUTELY NO BIOMEDICAL EXPLANATION IS EVER GOING TO BE

FORTHCOMING, imho **proves** that the statements of homeopaths about their

constitutional origin (long ridiculed) actually is founded in FACT.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stimulating appetite/Red & Yellow

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:55:50 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-05 00:39:45 EST, Lingo4@AOL.COM (Kathy Lingo)

writes:



<<  "Try eating from red plates. This color stimulates the taste buds." >>



Look at the McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King's, etc. signs....they are all

yellow and red.....to make people hungry and eat fast.  Blue is an appetitie

suppressant.



LK D.C.



STAR CHIRO @ AOL.COM





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hayfever - Allergies

From: Donna Rich <DOIRRI@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 08:48:01 -0500



Here in Austin we are entering the dreaded fall allergy time.  It is hellish

for many people, including me.  My acupuncturist has me taking Sangchu

tablets which contain Folia Morum Mulberry, Reed Root, Chrysanthemum,

Forsythia, and other herbs.  The package says that this formula is for the

common cold and cough, fever, and primary catarrh in the upper respiratory

tract.   I don't think this fits my symptoms, but what do I know?

      Can someone tell me the action or effect these herb have?

       Thanks, Donna





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hayfever - Allergies

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:49:15 -0900



At 08:48 AM 11/5/96 -0500, Donna Rich wrote:

>Here in Austin we are entering the dreaded fall allergy time.  It is hellish

>for many people, including me.  My acupuncturist has me taking Sangchu

>tablets which contain Folia Morum Mulberry, Reed Root, Chrysanthemum,

>Forsythia, and other herbs.  The package says that this formula is for the

>common cold and cough, fever, and primary catarrh in the upper respiratory

>tract.   I don't think this fits my symptoms, but what do I know?

>      Can someone tell me the action or effect these herb have?

>       Thanks, Donna

>

>



No one is required to take the advice of any physician ignorantly.  It is

our responsibility to see that the treatment is appropriate.  THis goes for

holistic as well as conventional medicine.  I get annoyed with physicians

who don't explain things or answer questions in an intelligent way.  I've

had doctors talk about things in a condescending manner to me trying to dumb

down thier explanations.  I respond by supplying the appropriate medical

term.  It really throws them.  Your acupuncturist should also supply you

with an adequate explanation of the herbs supplied and why.  Don't just take

something because they give it to you.  We've been conditioned to think of

doctors as "god".  They are not and are frequently wrong.  THe same applies

to any health care giver.

  Ask questions.  Get answers.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hayfever - Allergies

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 16:43:51 -0800



>At 08:48 AM 11/5/96 -0500, Donna Rich wrote:

>>Here in Austin we are entering the dreaded fall allergy time.  It is hellish

>>for many people, including me.  My acupuncturist has me taking Sangchu

>>tablets which contain Folia Morum Mulberry, Reed Root, Chrysanthemum,

>>Forsythia, and other herbs.  The package says that this formula is for the

>>common cold and cough, fever, and primary catarrh in the upper respiratory

>>tract.   I don't think this fits my symptoms, but what do I know?

>>      Can someone tell me the action or effect these herb have?

>>       Thanks, Donna



Sang is Morus and Ju (chu) is Chrysanthemum. Morus and Chrysanthemum

combination is commonly used to fight Fall Wind-Dryness Attack, which is

often seen in fall allergies. It is a very mild formula, without great

contraindications, but if your allergies present with a great deal of

discharge (and are therefore associated with DAMPNESS, not Dryness), then

they are inappropriate.



You can ignore the 'instructions' in almost any Chinese OTC herbal

preparation. They are there to sooth the FDA and mimic drug labels...they

are rarely accurate, and often unintentionally funny.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcers/Cause?

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 09:53:28 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-05 08:41:40 EST, Itype@AOL.COM (Karen Rhoda) writes:



<< Recent studies have found that most stomach ulcers are NOT stress induced

but

 caused by Helicobacter pylori. >>



I read the studies and know of people who were healed with antibiotics but I

still wonder if everyone who had the helico has ulcers or are they both a

product of a variety of things, among them a distressed immune system.  Just

as we always have strep and staph around us but are not affected.  my .02





     See ya!       ;  )    Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL



     Non-Force Chiropractic Techniques

     217 Vine St. 1 Front

     Philadelphia, PA 19106-1210

     Phone and Fax  215-922-5447  beeper 215-250-1151





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lynn Kelly - attachment

From: Scarlett <scarlett@CBOX.CBX.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 12:29:05 -0600



Ok, here's a BIG question.  What is the importance (i.e., to take or NOT

to take) herbal treatments during pregnancy.  I'm coming up on the big

week 12 here and want to make sure I have the healthiest baby ever.  But

I don't want to hurt the child (or myself!).



I'm very fond of raspberry tea (and so i my husband).  But I've heard

that it's not something I want to drink in the last trimester due to its

ability to initiate contractions???????



Any insight or suggestions you could make would be greatly appreciated!





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lynn Kelly - attachment

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 10:49:25 -0900



At 12:29 PM 11/5/96 -0600, Scarlett wrote:

>Ok, here's a BIG question.  What is the importance (i.e., to take or NOT

>to take) herbal treatments during pregnancy.  I'm coming up on the big

>week 12 here and want to make sure I have the healthiest baby ever.  But

>I don't want to hurt the child (or myself!).

>

>I'm very fond of raspberry tea (and so i my husband).  But I've heard

>that it's not something I want to drink in the last trimester due to its

>ability to initiate contractions???????

>

>Any insight or suggestions you could make would be greatly appreciated!

>

>

Your average cup of raspberry tea is perfectly safe to take in the last

trimester of pregnancy, in fact it is recommended.  Raspberry tones the

uterus and will help with delivery.  However, LARGE and strong doses of

raspberry can stimulate the uterus too much and perhaps initiate contractions.

  I used raspberry leaf tea with 5 children and never had any problems.  All

of my deliveries were less than 4 hours with only 15 minutes of hard labor.

My last three were only 2 hours and born at home.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: Mary Watts <mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:53:45 -0500



Scarlett writes:

>

> Ok, here's a BIG question.  What is the importance (i.e., to take or NOT

> to take) herbal treatments during pregnancy.  I'm coming up on the big

> week 12 here and want to make sure I have the healthiest baby ever.  But

> I don't want to hurt the child (or myself!).

>

> I'm very fond of raspberry tea (and so i my husband).  But I've heard

> that it's not something I want to drink in the last trimester due to its

> ability to initiate contractions???????

>

> Any insight or suggestions you could make would be greatly appreciated!





Raspberry tea *is* frequently and highly recommended...throughout pregnancy

and beyond.  I found no reference stating that one should stop

for the final trimester, though I did find a reference that notes:

"American Red Raspberry is used for preventing miscarriage,

but other varieties are known to promote abortion."





The following should *not* be used while pregnant or nursing:

  Alfalfa

  Aloe Vera

  Black Cohosh

  Chestnut Leaf

  Coltsfoot

  Dandelion Root (while nursing)

  Dong Quai

  Gentian

  Golden Seal

  Harsh laxative type herbs

  Mathake

  Milkweed

  Myrrh

  Parsley (while nursing)

  Pennyroyal

  Safflower

  Sage (while nursing)

  Saffron

  Schizandra Berry

  Shatavari

  Shepherd's Purse

  Suma (use with caution)

  Tansy

  Thuja

  Turkey Rhubarb



Caution: This is not an exhaustive list!



references:

_A Practical Guide to Herbal Extracts_ by Marion D. Jones and

G. Lee Pemberton

_Thorne's Guide to Herbal Extracts_, volume 1, by Terry Thorne





--

mary

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mwatts@dimentech.com                                  Mary Watts

                     http://www.contra.org/~mwatts

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 16:32:58 -0800



>The following should *not* be used while pregnant or nursing:



VERY POOR ENGLISH. Is this 'or' inclusive or exclusive? Based on the list,

I would say this is an inclusive 'or', which means that these herbs MIGHT

BE FINE for pregnancy but not for nursing, or vice versa.



>  Alfalfa

>  Aloe Vera

>  Black Cohosh

>  Chestnut Leaf

>  Coltsfoot

>  Dandelion Root (while nursing)

>  Dong Quai



As usual, these lists are hodgepodges of guesswork and myth. Danggui is

commonly used in formulas to PREVENT miscarriage. There is nothing wrong

with taking it in well-indicated formulas during pregnancy. THERE IS

CERTAINLY NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING IT WHILE NURSING.



>  Gentian

>  Golden Seal

>  Harsh laxative type herbs

>  Mathake

>  Milkweed

>  Myrrh

>  Parsley (while nursing)

>  Pennyroyal

>  Safflower

>  Sage (while nursing)

>  Saffron

>  Schizandra Berry



Can't imagine why this herb is of concern with pregnancy...doubt it. Maybe

it's a nursing concern (flavoring the milk), but minor if so.



>  Shatavari

>  Shepherd's Purse

>  Suma (use with caution)

>  Tansy

>  Thuja

>  Turkey Rhubarb

>

>Caution: This is not an exhaustive list!

>

>references:

>_A Practical Guide to Herbal Extracts_ by Marion D. Jones and

>G. Lee Pemberton

>_Thorne's Guide to Herbal Extracts_, volume 1, by Terry Thorne



NOTE THAT THESE REFERENCES ARE FOR **EXTRACTS**. The use of alcohol-based

extracts during pregnancy is contraindicated. So toss in every other

preparation they forgot to mention in their hit list.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: Mary Watts <mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:21:00 -0500



Paul Iannone writes:

>

> >The following should *not* be used while pregnant or nursing:

>

> VERY POOR ENGLISH. Is this 'or' inclusive or exclusive? Based on the list,

> I would say this is an inclusive 'or', which means that these herbs MIGHT

> BE FINE for pregnancy but not for nursing, or vice versa.



my apologies for the poor grammar.  :-)

The author's original title, which I transcribed was:

"Do Not Use During Pregnancy or While Nursing"

(not much better, but hey, it's still a good starting list)





> >  Alfalfa

> >  Aloe Vera

> >  Black Cohosh

> >  Chestnut Leaf

> >  Coltsfoot

> >  Dandelion Root (while nursing)

> >  Dong Quai

>

> As usual, these lists are hodgepodges of guesswork and myth. Danggui is



hodgpodges, quite likely,

but based on research as well as myth, and hopefully little guesswork.

I myself am guessing, having not personally used many on the list...

I can only go by what my research confirms.

The list, just as hopefully this mailing list should be, is merely

a starting point for researching what you may or may not want to inbibe

in the course of your health choices.



> commonly used in formulas to PREVENT miscarriage. There is nothing wrong

> with taking it in well-indicated formulas during pregnancy. THERE IS

> CERTAINLY NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING IT WHILE NURSING.



I doublechecked both sources, and a few more. Only the one containing the

list had any warnings, and it stated:

"Do not use during heavy menstrual bleeding or if there are uterine fibroids."

So, it does indeed sound as though Dong Quai would be acceptable.  On the

other hand, the reference states that this herb is used for hormone balance

and progesterone production.  I am not sure this is recommended for pregnancy.

I myself, personally, would avoid it.



> >  Gentian

> >  Golden Seal

> >  Harsh laxative type herbs

> >  Mathake

> >  Milkweed

> >  Myrrh

> >  Parsley (while nursing)

> >  Pennyroyal

> >  Safflower

> >  Sage (while nursing)

> >  Saffron

> >  Schizandra Berry

>

> Can't imagine why this herb is of concern with pregnancy...doubt it. Maybe

> it's a nursing concern (flavoring the milk), but minor if so.



Schizandra Berry "stimulates uterine smooth muscle, causing an increase

in uterine rhythmic contraction."

again, if I were pregnant, one I would avoid.

Nursing, no problem



> >  Shatavari

> >  Shepherd's Purse

> >  Suma (use with caution)

> >  Tansy

> >  Thuja

> >  Turkey Rhubarb

> >

> >Caution: This is not an exhaustive list!

> >

> >references:

> >_A Practical Guide to Herbal Extracts_ by Marion D. Jones and

> >G. Lee Pemberton

> >_Thorne's Guide to Herbal Extracts_, volume 1, by Terry Thorne

>

> NOTE THAT THESE REFERENCES ARE FOR **EXTRACTS**. The use of alcohol-based

> extracts during pregnancy is contraindicated. So toss in every other

> preparation they forgot to mention in their hit list.



I know several folk who would strongly disagree with this statement,

having birthed beautiful healthy babies, with no problems.  The extracts

they used were indeed alcohol based, but the amount of alcohol imbibed is

extremely small.

There are some real advantages to the use of extracts, and they should not

be dismissed out of hand.



--

mary

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mwatts@dimentech.com                                  Mary Watts

                     http://www.contra.org/~mwatts

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:40:30 -0800



>Paul Iannone writes:

>>

>> >The following should *not* be used while pregnant or nursing:

>>

>> VERY POOR ENGLISH. Is this 'or' inclusive or exclusive? Based on the list,

>> I would say this is an inclusive 'or', which means that these herbs MIGHT

>> BE FINE for pregnancy but not for nursing, or vice versa.

>

>my apologies for the poor grammar.  :-)

>The author's original title, which I transcribed was:

>"Do Not Use During Pregnancy or While Nursing"

>(not much better, but hey, it's still a good starting list)



We used to have a very useful word 'nor.' I guess people forgot how to use it.



>> >  Dong Quai

>>

>> As usual, these lists are hodgepodges of guesswork and myth. Danggui is

>

>hodgpodges, quite likely,

>but based on research as well as myth, and hopefully little guesswork.



Oh nonsense, and not my point at all. WHAT is the basis of any of these

prohibitions, and ARE they pregnancy or nursing related?



Half the time these lists are accumulated by gathering together myths.



>I myself am guessing, having not personally used many on the list...

>I can only go by what my research confirms.

>The list, just as hopefully this mailing list should be, is merely

>a starting point for researching what you may or may not want to inbibe

>in the course of your health choices.



In other words, you can't take either list seriously. Not MY idea of what

either should be.



>> commonly used in formulas to PREVENT miscarriage. There is nothing wrong

>> with taking it in well-indicated formulas during pregnancy. THERE IS

>> CERTAINLY NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING IT WHILE NURSING.

>

>I doublechecked both sources, and a few more. Only the one containing the

>list had any warnings, and it stated:

>"Do not use during heavy menstrual bleeding or if there are uterine fibroids."



Danggui is COMMONLY used in the proper formula to treat uterine fibroids.

It is also fairly commonly used in formulas to treat heavy menstrual

bleeding (such as the justly famous Gui Pi Tang), but that is a matter of

DIAGNOSIS, something these hit lists don't trouble their little heads

about.



What this list, and lists like this DON'T tell you is that in cases of

heavy menstrual bleeding DUE TO HEAT you of course wouldn't use Danggui in

any formula where its Heating aspect wasn't muted. But in cases of

menorrhagia due to Qi Depletion, which is VERY common, then it indeed a

VERY useful herb.



>So, it does indeed sound as though Dong Quai would be acceptable.  On the

>other hand, the reference states that this herb is used for hormone balance

>and progesterone production.



Danggui DOES NOT affect progesterone production. It DOES NOT have hormonal

action.



>I am not sure this is recommended for pregnancy.

>I myself, personally, would avoid it.



So we can go on spreading this myth about Danggui? Let's not. These

'references' are a dime a dozen when it comes to this stuff. Most of the

time, they rely on OTHER lists of dubious value.



WHEN INDICATED, Danggui is FINE to use during pregnancy, IN THE APPROPRIATE

FORMULA. It does affect uterine muscle, which may well be inappropriate in

particular pregnancies. That affect is NOT hormonal, and is NOT

abortifacient.



>> >  Schizandra Berry

>>

>> Can't imagine why this herb is of concern with pregnancy...doubt it. Maybe

>> it's a nursing concern (flavoring the milk), but minor if so.

>

>Schizandra Berry "stimulates uterine smooth muscle, causing an increase

>in uterine rhythmic contraction."

>again, if I were pregnant, one I would avoid.

>Nursing, no problem



Live and learn. I wonder what study these claims rely on? I can find no

reference to this claim in the chemical studies I have in my library.

Generally, schizandra is a SEDATIVE. I'm not saying it doesn't...I'm just

saying that I wonder about the basis of this claim. I note also that these

claims are for EXTRACT. What concentration and how administered?



>> NOTE THAT THESE REFERENCES ARE FOR **EXTRACTS**. The use of alcohol-based

>> extracts during pregnancy is contraindicated. So toss in every other

>> preparation they forgot to mention in their hit list.

>

>I know several folk who would strongly disagree with this statement,

>having birthed beautiful healthy babies, with no problems.  The extracts

>they used were indeed alcohol based, but the amount of alcohol imbibed is

>extremely small.



Alcohol is not the sole issue, though the heating effects of even small

amounts of alcohol can disrupt health, as anyone who has ever used a

tincture can attest. The concentration of alcohol extracts is another

issue, and may greatly exceed or be chemically quite different from

decoction.



>There are some real advantages to the use of extracts, and they should not

>be dismissed out of hand.

>

>--

>mary



I find that they all too often produce health imbalance where decoction and

dry forms of herbs do not.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: Mary Watts <mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:20:33 -0500



Paul Iannone writes:

>

> >> >The following should *not* be used while pregnant or nursing:

>

> >I myself am guessing, having not personally used many on the list...

> >I can only go by what my research confirms.

> >The list, just as hopefully this mailing list should be, is merely

> >a starting point for researching what you may or may not want to inbibe

> >in the course of your health choices.

>

> In other words, you can't take either list seriously. Not MY idea of what

> either should be.



please, then,

perhaps you could post your own list for this query. I'm sure more

information would be appreciated.



> >> commonly used in formulas to PREVENT miscarriage. There is nothing wrong

> >> with taking it in well-indicated formulas during pregnancy. THERE IS

> >> CERTAINLY NOTHING WRONG WITH TAKING IT WHILE NURSING.

> >

> >I doublechecked both sources, and a few more. Only the one containing the

> >list had any warnings, and it stated:

> >"Do not use during heavy menstrual bleeding or if there are uterine fibroids."

>

> Danggui is COMMONLY used in the proper formula to treat uterine fibroids.

> It is also fairly commonly used in formulas to treat heavy menstrual

> bleeding (such as the justly famous Gui Pi Tang), but that is a matter of

> DIAGNOSIS, something these hit lists don't trouble their little heads

> about.

>

> What this list, and lists like this DON'T tell you is that in cases of

> heavy menstrual bleeding DUE TO HEAT you of course wouldn't use Danggui in

> any formula where its Heating aspect wasn't muted. But in cases of

> menorrhagia due to Qi Depletion, which is VERY common, then it indeed a

> VERY useful herb.



yes, agreed,

 I am still looking for a good and understandable "list" that encorporates

the knowledge and usage of chinese herbalism at its best. I myself am not

fluent in the art, which is why I would err on the side of caution, unless

instructed by someone as knowledgable as yourself.



> >So, it does indeed sound as though Dong Quai would be acceptable.  On the

> >other hand, the reference states that this herb is used for hormone balance

> >and progesterone production.

>

> Danggui DOES NOT affect progesterone production. It DOES NOT have hormonal

> action.



do you have a reference for this statement?





> >I am not sure this is recommended for pregnancy.

> >I myself, personally, would avoid it.

>

> So we can go on spreading this myth about Danggui? Let's not. These



no, I do not wish to spread myth. I do wish to be safe and reasonable

with my personal health choices.



> 'references' are a dime a dozen when it comes to this stuff. Most of the

> time, they rely on OTHER lists of dubious value.



Paul, you sound well versed/practiced in herbalism,

What books do you personally recommend as accurate, well researched,

non-dubious value references?





> WHEN INDICATED, Danggui is FINE to use during pregnancy, IN THE APPROPRIATE

> FORMULA. It does affect uterine muscle, which may well be inappropriate in

> particular pregnancies. That affect is NOT hormonal, and is NOT

> abortifacient.



no need to shout, Paul, really, I'm listening, and as politely as I can.

I'm even trying to learn.

That's why I am on this mailing list.

I have noted your comments in my reference, even, despite your lack of

stating where yours comes from.

I believe that this list of herbs was designed for those of us who would

not *know* if this herb was "indicated", and since the authors felt it could

be of adverse effect if used incorrectly, it was placed on the list.



> >> >  Schizandra Berry

> >>

> >> Can't imagine why this herb is of concern with pregnancy...doubt it. Maybe

> >> it's a nursing concern (flavoring the milk), but minor if so.

> >

> >Schizandra Berry "stimulates uterine smooth muscle, causing an increase

> >in uterine rhythmic contraction."

> >again, if I were pregnant, one I would avoid.

> >Nursing, no problem

>

> Live and learn. I wonder what study these claims rely on? I can find no

> reference to this claim in the chemical studies I have in my library.

> Generally, schizandra is a SEDATIVE. I'm not saying it doesn't...I'm just

> saying that I wonder about the basis of this claim. I note also that these

> claims are for EXTRACT. What concentration and how administered?



If you are truly interested in the answers to these questions, I can see if

I can locate the author and ask, or search down her list of references until

I find the data.



--

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mwatts@dimentech.com                                  Mary Watts

                     http://www.contra.org/~mwatts

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 20:52:29 -0800



>> Danggui DOES NOT affect progesterone production. It DOES NOT have hormonal

>> action.

>

>do you have a reference for this statement?



Bensky notes this explicitly, but the main reference I use is Chinese Drugs

of Plant Origin, by Tang & Eisenbrand.



>> >I am not sure this is recommended for pregnancy.

>> >I myself, personally, would avoid it.

>>

>> So we can go on spreading this myth about Danggui? Let's not. These

>

>no, I do not wish to spread myth. I do wish to be safe and reasonable

>with my personal health choices.



Fine, and appropriate. But this particular myth about Danggui is from the

same cloth as the usual 'ginseng is for men; Danggui is for women line.'

Danggui has NEVER been demonstrated to have hormonal action.



Tyler, in his execrable works, spreads additional rumors about coumarins in

Danggui, when in fact the blood thining effects of the plant are produced

by certain nickle compounds, not the coumarins (Tyler goes on to say that

Danggui has NO action, since the coumarins that are so dangerous in

paragraph ONE, are actually in too small an amount to do anything. He fails

to note that this entirely negates his initial lie...but that is what is

lovely about ideologues).



>> 'references' are a dime a dozen when it comes to this stuff. Most of the

>> time, they rely on OTHER lists of dubious value.

>

>Paul, you sound well versed/practiced in herbalism,

>What books do you personally recommend as accurate, well researched,

>non-dubious value references?



The Tang & Eisenbrand work is a standard. There are some other good

references...they are almost always German and EXPENSIVE.



>> WHEN INDICATED, Danggui is FINE to use during pregnancy, IN THE APPROPRIATE

>> FORMULA. It does affect uterine muscle, which may well be inappropriate in

>> particular pregnancies. That affect is NOT hormonal, and is NOT

>> abortifacient.

>

>no need to shout, Paul, really, I'm listening, and as politely as I can.

>I'm even trying to learn.

>That's why I am on this mailing list.

>I have noted your comments in my reference, even, despite your lack of

>stating where yours comes from.

>I believe that this list of herbs was designed for those of us who would

>not *know* if this herb was "indicated", and since the authors felt it could

>be of adverse effect if used incorrectly, it was placed on the list.



I think the author relied on hearsay, and is spreading prejudices, NOT caution.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: BCatour   User <BCatour@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:28:46 -0500



I was very surprised to see alfalfa on your list to not take while nursing

WHY?  I am currently nursing and have been taking alfalfa.  I read the it was

excellent for this.



Thanks in advance for the explanation.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: Mary Watts <mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:50:38 -0500



BCatour User writes:

>

> I was very surprised to see alfalfa on your list to not take while nursing

> WHY?  I am currently nursing and have been taking alfalfa.  I read the it was

> excellent for this.



yes...it is recommended for nursing, as it increases mother's milk.

(also benefits mom by regenerating strength and vitality with many

easily absorbed vitamins and minerals)



It is contraindicated in pregnancy, however, but only in large doses,

such as you might achieve with extracts.  Apparently, high doses can

stimulate hormones. (the reference does not state which ones, or how

high a dose)



> Thanks in advance for the explanation.



you're welcome





--

mary

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mwatts@dimentech.com                                  Mary Watts

                     http://www.contra.org/~mwatts

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herbs for menopause etc.

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 18:56:11 +0000



Hello there



Just to forward my many thanks and appreciation for everyone who has been

so kind in their follow-up to my original request for guidance in respect

of help with menopause and alzheimers.  It has been wonderful and I feel I

shall benefit enormously from all your help and support.



All the best

Penny





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: AIDS/HIV Research

From: Graham White <hendongreen@GN.APC.ORG>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 19:37:19 GMT



Firstly, apologies if you see this on more than one list :-)



I am a Herbal Medicine student at Middlesex University, London and I am

doing some research for one of the lecturers.



He is trying to compile a contact list of people working in the following

areas with the intention of setting up some collaborative work:



1. People/institutions involved in clinical trials using herbal/plant

products in the treatment of people with AIDS/ARC and



2. People/institutions involved in screening plants/plant compounds for

anti-HIV activity.



Thanks in advance for any help you can offer







Graham White

------------



hendongreen@gn.apc.org

gcw3@student.open.ac.uk

gw035@mdx.ac.uk





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: AIDS/HIV Research

From: Cynthia Washburn <be981@SCN.ORG>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:42:40 -0800



Bastyr University in Seattle, WA is doing quite a bit of research

in this area.  You can find out more specifics at www.bastyr.edu.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dairyless dry ups

From: Mary Ann Gareis <mgareis@WARRIOR.MGC.PEACHNET.EDU>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 13:40:29 -0600



> Should I use tomato juice or bouillon to flavor the soup?  any ideas

> would be helpful.  thank s in advance.

> Linda



Hey Linda,



I've often used tomato juice to flavor vegetable soup.  It's quite tasty.

A combination of juice and bullion can also be good



Mary Ann Gareis

Instructor of Developmental Studies

Middle Georgia College

mgareis@warrior.mgc.peachnet.edu



"Health plays an important role in the purchasing of houseplants.

 People want the extra oxygen."

                                - Anonymous Student Essay





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Source for "The Web That Has No Weaver"

From: Lila <bethr@JLC.NET>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 15:33:36 -0500



I just recently wandered into this list so don't know if this

has been covered already.



I found an internet source for "The Web That Has No Weaver" at

http://www.amazon.com/

Cost is $17.06 plus $3.00 S&H.

Delivery time 2-3 days.



They also had "Arisal Of The Clear", but it was listed with

a delivery time of 4-6 weeks with no guarantee of eventual

availability.



I've never done business with this company before so I can't vouch

for their service.  They have an ordering option for secure on-line

credit card transactions.



peace,

L beth



"It's man trying to be perfect that causes imperfection." - Geoff Tate

"The Earth does not belong to us, We belong to the Earth" - Chief Seattle

"What is, is wrong" - T. Veblen               "So we did" - A. Morisette

Freud was a dweeb...........................................Lyndeboro, NH





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Reference sought

From: Lila <bethr@JLC.NET>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:59:37 -0500



Hi,



Does anyone know where I can find a reference of herbs listed

by botanical name that includes all its potential 'other' names;

i.e., sanskrit, folk, common, chinese, japanese.



I'm driving myself batty over this.



thanks,

Lila b







"It's man trying to be perfect that causes imperfection." - Geoff Tate

"The Earth does not belong to us, We belong to the Earth" - Chief Seattle

"What is, is wrong" - T. Veblen               "So we did" - A. Morisette

Freud was a dweeb...........................................Lyndeboro, NH





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reference sought

From: Mary Watts <mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 00:13:35 -0500



Lila writes:

>

> Hi,

>

> Does anyone know where I can find a reference of herbs listed

> by botanical name that includes all its potential 'other' names;

> i.e., sanskrit, folk, common, chinese, japanese.



_A Modern Herbal_ by Mrs. M. Grieve

ISBN:0-88029-921-5

is a good starting point



I have others that do a fair job, but this one contains more data in

this regard than anything else I've got, well indexed.



mary

mwatts@dimentech.com

http://www.contra.org/~mwatts/herbs/





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reference sought

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 23:06:11 -0800



>Lila writes:

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> Does anyone know where I can find a reference of herbs listed

>> by botanical name that includes all its potential 'other' names;

>> i.e., sanskrit, folk, common, chinese, japanese.

>

>_A Modern Herbal_ by Mrs. M. Grieve

>ISBN:0-88029-921-5

>is a good starting point

>

>I have others that do a fair job, but this one contains more data in

>this regard than anything else I've got, well indexed.

>

>mary



Doesn't include Chinese or Japanese or Sanskrit names. Bensky's Chinese

Herbal Medicine Materia Medica is one of the only references that lists

japanese names. Herbal Emissaries lists Chinese and English names, and is

useful too.



I do not know of any exhaustive reference that lists both Sanskrit and

Chinese names, though some Ayurvedic texts list a selected group. An

example is The Yoga of Herbs, by Lad/Frawly.



Another text of use is J.M. Nickell's Botanical Ready Reference, which

lists (pretty out of date) botannical nomenclature, German common names,

and English common names, in a variety of indexes. It also has a good list

of odd oil names, as a good supplement to a pharmacognosy text.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reference sought

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:52:18 -0500



We've done this to a limited extent in HerbNET in the Potpourri section and

it will be expanded on November 18 to include Italian, German and French

names along with as many other ones as I can find.



Maureen Rogers

http://www.herbnet.com/





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reference sought

From: Lila <bethr@JLC.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:51:04 -0500



>>Lila writes:

>>> Does anyone know where I can find a reference of herbs listed

>>> by botanical name that includes all its potential 'other' names;



Thanks to everyone that made recommendations.  I needed an

excuse to justify buying some of those books. :)  I'll check out

Maureen's web site.



I'm surprised that apparently noone has thought about incorporating

that kind of exhaustive list into a book appendix (small hint there

for anyone that might be planning to write an herbal someday).

Language can be so limiting.



In the meantime, guess I'll just have to keep juggling books.

I started my own list this morning of two herbs that have been

causing me confusion lately.



thanks again,

Lila b



P.S.  Anyone know any other name for Angelica Grigas?  It's

a great looking plant but I haven't been able to find any

information on it.



"It's man trying to be perfect that causes imperfection." - Geoff Tate

"The Earth does not belong to us, We belong to the Earth" - Chief Seattle

"What is, is wrong" - T. Veblen               "So we did" - A. Morisette

Freud was a dweeb...........................................Lyndeboro, NH





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reference sought

From: Lyn Jones <lynj@MIDCOAST.COM.AU>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 00:22:57 +1100



>does anyone know how to make soap? not lye soap-the scented herbal kind?

>please respond to list or : lindashipley@juno.com

>

>Hello, I'd like to know how to make soap also, I have tried and they turned

out cracked and then broke, what did I di wrong.

lynj@midcoast.com.au





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reference sought

From: Leigh Ann Wallace <Jubalation@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 12:23:44 -0500



I am also very interested in learning how to make soap. Thanks to anyone

with the information.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reference sought

From: Karoly Veress <kveress@FREENET.NPIEC.ON.CA>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:39:16 -0500



On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Leigh Ann Wallace wrote:



> I am also very interested in learning how to make soap. Thanks to anyone

> with the information.

>

Hello Leigh, a good place to look is:

       http://www.demon.co.uk/muderon/fragrant/makesoap.html

They have good instructions and reliable recepes.

Margot





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reference sought

From: "Patricia C. McMullen" <Redgato@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:45:46 -0500



I am also very interested in learning how to make soap. Thanks to anyone

with the information.



To Interested Soap Makers:



If you have access to the Life, Styles and Interest Channel on AOl, there is

a section called the Craft Niche and in that there is a folder called soap

making. You will find all kinds of info and soap making enthusiasts to answer

your questions and tell you what books to buy and where to buy supplies.

 Even herbal soaps!



Good luck



Pat





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: surgery

From: "RICK A. JANISSE" <rtjan@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 22:52:58 PST



I will be having surgery in a week.  I received from my physician pre-op

instructions. One clearly states not to take any Vit E for a least two

weeks prior to surgery.

I am just wondering what others think regarding this, the reasons for or

against  taking it pre-op?



Thank - you in advance for your help..                    Tami







Theresa  wrote:



>vit E  is also  taken orally  3 times a day, pre and post surgically.

>after the doctor's ok,the E capsule can be pierced and the oil rubbed

>on

>the incisions to hasten healing  and reduce scarring. worked

>beautifully

>on my abdominal scars.

>                         theresa

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: surgery

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:17:04 -0900



At 10:52 PM 11/5/96 PST, RICK A. JANISSE wrote:

>I will be having surgery in a week.  I received from my physician pre-op

>instructions. One clearly states not to take any Vit E for a least two

>weeks prior to surgery.

>I am just wondering what others think regarding this, the reasons for or

>against  taking it pre-op?

>

>Thank - you in advance for your help..                    Tami

>

>

 It can interfere with anti-blood clotting medications.  It will thin the

blood making it difficult for the physician to give a proper dose of

medication during surgery.

>

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: November HerbNET

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:54:05 -0500



November's HerbNET Magazine is now online with medicinal herb: yellow dock;

culinary herb: sorrel; spice: annato; edible flower: Johnny Jump Up and

essential oil: patchouli.  Also lots of new calendar items and totally

updated Press, University and Association sections.  Check us out at:

http://www.herbnet.com/



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing and Marketing Network

2nd Annual Herb Business Winter Getaway Conference, Feb 6-10, 1997, Baton

Rouge, LA





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: November HerbNET

From: "Yolanda Leamon, Cnm" <yleamon@MAIL.TDS.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 09:22:37 -0600



Hello Wise Ones,



I had a patient call and tell me she heard that chromium picolinate does damage

to cells but that chromium gtf is good.  What is the deal with this?



She also wanted to know the dosage fo dl methionine.



I don't usually work with these substances so have no wisdom to give at this

time.



Thanks for your responses in advance.



Yolanda Leamon, CNM

Who catches babies underwater





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: November HerbNET

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:45:43 -0800



>I had a patient call and tell me she heard that chromium picolinate does

>damage

>to cells but that chromium gtf is good.  What is the deal with this?





Not herbs, but let's note that NO ONE knows what GTF (Glucose Tolerance

Factor) actually is. That product labelling is nothing but a name.



The idea that chromium pic. damages cells is utter idiocy as well, btw.

People have NOTHING to worry about in ordinary doses.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Spray Vitamins & Herbs?

From: Henriks <henriks@CYBERHIGHWAY.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 07:54:09 -0700



Hi All,



I was wanted to know what everyone thinks of the spray vitamins and herbs

that are being sold. They say that you get about 90% absorption, verses

pills which they say are about 20%. I was thinking about buying some but

wanted some of your opinions before I do.



Thanks,

Autumn





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Spray Vitamins & Herbs?

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 11:43:33 -0800



>Hi All,

>

>I was wanted to know what everyone thinks of the spray vitamins and herbs

>that are being sold. They say that you get about 90% absorption, verses

>pills which they say are about 20%. I was thinking about buying some but

>wanted some of your opinions before I do.

>

>Thanks,

>Autumn



Entrepreneurial hype, and lies. Well made pills absorb MUCH more than that;

spray form are way too expensive. Most multi's are more than you need; so

what if you don't absorb all of it?



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Spray Vitamins & Herbs?

From: "Jill F. Becker" <jbecker@OCEANUS.MITRE.ORG>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 15:46:11 EST



> >Hi All,

> >

> >I was wanted to know what everyone thinks of the spray vitamins and herbs

> >that are being sold. They say that you get about 90% absorption, verses

> >pills which they say are about 20%. I was thinking about buying some but

> >wanted some of your opinions before I do.

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Autumn

>

> Entrepreneurial hype, and lies. Well made pills absorb MUCH more than that;

> spray form are way too expensive. Most multi's are more than you need; so

> what if you don't absorb all of it?

>

> Paul

>



Hi All:



   I was interested to read Paul's response because I'm sure I

should be supplementing my diet with some sort of multivitamin but

don't know what to buy...  I keep hearing/reading that most multis

are a waste because they aren't absorbed.  So, what should I get??



Jill





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Spray Vitamins & Herbs?

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:08:30 -0800



>   I was interested to read Paul's response because I'm sure I

>should be supplementing my diet with some sort of multivitamin but

>don't know what to buy...  I keep hearing/reading that most multis

>are a waste because they aren't absorbed.  So, what should I get??

>

>Jill



Any major brand name in the health food store is FINE. The stuff you read

is all in reference to cheapo drug store brands.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Poison Oak, Itch Itch

From: Henriks <henriks@CYBERHIGHWAY.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 08:02:33 -0700



Hi All,



My sister has poison oak that is spreading quickly and itches terribly. What

are some good herbs for here to use externally? Are there any herbs she

should take internally? Someone told me that Plantain would help externally

to relive itching.



Thank You,



Autumn





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Poison Oak, Itch Itch

From: Mary Watts <mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 10:42:41 -0500



Henriks writes:

>

> Hi All,

>

> My sister has poison oak that is spreading quickly and itches terribly. What

> are some good herbs for here to use externally? Are there any herbs she

> should take internally? Someone told me that Plantain would help externally

> to relive itching.

>



recommended extracts are:

Echinacea

Indian Tobacco

Yerba Santa



Plantain is recommended for poison ivy...by it's description sounds like

it would help *any* external skin problem.

Sassafrass (internally and externally),

Slippery Elm,

and Virginia Snake Root

are also listed for Poison Ivy.





--

----------------------------------------------------------------

mwatts@dimentech.com                                  Mary Watts

                     http://www.contra.org/~mwatts

----------------------------------------------------------------





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Poison Oak, Itch Itch

From: Carlos Becerra Quiroz <esenio@TELNOR.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:32:28 -0800



At 08:02 AM 11/6/96 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi All,

>

>My sister has poison oak that is spreading quickly and itches terribly. What

>are some good herbs for here to use externally? Are there any herbs she

>should take internally? Someone told me that Plantain would help externally

>to relive itching.

>

>Thank You,

>

>Autumn

>

>Hello:

Yes, many herbs are eficients for the itching in cases like this. For

external use: Aloe Vera Gel. For internal Use (avoid if pregnancy or a

Kidney problem) an infition of Parsley Root (Petroselinum Crispum).

I hope this help you.

Carlos Becerra.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Chronic Ear Infections

From: Lila <bethr@JLC.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:50:15 -0500



Hi,



I have a friend that has recurring painful ear infections.  Her

doctor doesn't seem to be particularly concerned over the cause of them

and just treats the symptoms with telling her to topically apply a

mixture of alcohol/vinegar.  He has not addressed her diet at all.



She is allergic to all antibiotics except penicillin, which doesn't

do anything for her anymore as she has built up a resistance to

it.  If she goes outside without a hat in the wind/cold or if she

shampoos in the shower, she gets another infection.  Typical Western

diet and her life is very stressful right now.



Seems like a candida condition to me.  Any other ideas?



thanks,

Lila b









"It's man trying to be perfect that causes imperfection." - Geoff Tate

"The Earth does not belong to us, We belong to the Earth" - Chief Seattle

"What is, is wrong" - T. Veblen               "So we did" - A. Morisette

Freud was a dweeb...........................................Lyndeboro, NH





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections

From: Terry King <terryk@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:54:18 EST



What kind of a doctor is she seeing?  I have never heard of using this

method for ear infections.



I have heard of some people having 'pits' in the ear canal that hold

infected material and the antibiotics don't deal with it.  This is a

condition that requires surgery to correct.  Chronic ear infections can

lead to bone and sinus infections that can be life threatening.



If I were her I would see another doctor, perhaps a specialist or a

holistic practitioner.



A recipe I have used that has been successful is;  warming olive oil with

crushed garlic, then adding a drop of clove oil to the mix.  Apply

several drops in ear while laying on opposite side.  Hold in ear with

cotton.  Both garlic and clove have antimicrobial properties.  Clove oil

is also anesthetic.  It won't help if the infection is already in the

inner ear or bones, its purely topical.



I would also take echinacea and other immune stimulating herbs.



I'm sure Paul will point out that this is a Hot formula and that if the

condition is a result of Heat it could only make matters worse.  So I

would seek the help of a professional who can diagnose her illness

properly.



I hope this helps your friend.



Terry

If you don't reach for what you want, you virtually have no chance of

getting it.

If you always do what you have always done, you'll only get what you

already have.

Harry Browne, Liberatarian for President





On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:50:15 -0500 Lila <bethr@JLC.NET> writes:

>Hi,

>

>I have a friend that has recurring painful ear infections.  Her

>doctor doesn't seem to be particularly concerned over the cause of

>them

>and just treats the symptoms with telling her to topically apply a

>mixture of alcohol/vinegar.  He has not addressed her diet at all.

>

>She is allergic to all antibiotics except penicillin, which doesn't

>do anything for her anymore as she has built up a resistance to

>it.  If she goes outside without a hat in the wind/cold or if she

>shampoos in the shower, she gets another infection.  Typical Western

>diet and her life is very stressful right now.

>

>Seems like a candida condition to me.  Any other ideas?

>

>thanks,

>Lila b

>

>

>

>

>"It's man trying to be perfect that causes imperfection." - Geoff Tate

>"The Earth does not belong to us, We belong to the Earth" - Chief

>Seattle

>"What is, is wrong" - T. Veblen               "So we did" - A.

>Morisette

>Freud was a dweeb...........................................Lyndeboro,

>NH

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:33:36 -0800



>A recipe I have used that has been successful is;  warming olive oil with

>crushed garlic, then adding a drop of clove oil to the mix.  Apply

<snip>

>I'm sure Paul will point out that this is a Hot formula and that if the

>condition is a result of Heat it could only make matters worse.  So I

>would seek the help of a professional who can diagnose her illness

>properly.



Yes, it is a Hot formula, but then again, there are signs here that this is

a COLD condition (worse by cold).



>On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:50:15 -0500 Lila <bethr@JLC.NET> writes:

>>Hi,

>>

>>I have a friend that has recurring painful ear infections.  Her

>>doctor doesn't seem to be particularly concerned over the cause of

>>them

>>and just treats the symptoms with telling her to topically apply a

>>mixture of alcohol/vinegar.  He has not addressed her diet at all.



You are expecting a GP to address DIET? What planet is this woman living on?



The GP is following the changing trend in treatment of ear infection in

children, which is to not treat. The alcohol seemingly is intended as a

placebo, with minor effects on antisepsis and evaporative cooling, I

imagine. DUMB.



>>She is allergic to all antibiotics except penicillin, which doesn't

>>do anything for her anymore as she has built up a resistance to

>>it.



So this is a LONGSTANDING chronic condition. For how many YEARS had she had

problems with her ears?



>If she goes outside without a hat in the wind/cold or if she

>>shampoos in the shower, she gets another infection.



Worse by cold, worse by damp, worse by wind. A combined external and

internal condition, as expected in a longterm chronic condition of

superficial locus.



>Typical Western

>>diet and her life is very stressful right now.



So her vitality is low, and usually low. Cold is a pathogenic factor that

is not toxic, so it is generally unnecessary to treat the Cold directly.

Instead, this person has to build their vitality (and not just their

'immune system'...that bankcrupt metaphor again).



>>Seems like a candida condition to me.  Any other ideas?

>>

>>thanks,

>>Lila b



Not a candida condition PER SE, which is another bankcrupt metaphor when

used as a general diagnostic of ill health.



Garlic, garlic, and more garlic. Chicken, with the skin, plenty of it.

Soups, broths, teas...Warming therapies. SAUNA.



NO FRUIT, FRUIT JUICE, ICED TEA, COFFEE, FROZEN DESSERTS, SWEETS, and tell

her to get some sleep!



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections

From: Terry King <terryk@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 03:26:02 EST



On Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:33:36 -0800 Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM> writes:

>>A recipe I have used that has been successful is;  warming olive oil

>>with crushed garlic, then adding a drop of clove oil to the mix.  Apply

><snip>

>>I'm sure Paul will point out that this is a Hot formula and that if

>>the condition is a result of Heat it could only make matters worse.  So

I

>>would seek the help of a professional who can diagnose her illness

>>properly.



>Yes, it is a Hot formula, but then again, there are signs here that

>this is a COLD condition (worse by cold).

>

>>On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 13:50:15 -0500 Lila <bethr@JLC.NET> writes:



>>>Her doctor doesn't seem to be particularly concerned over the cause of

>>>them and just treats the symptoms with telling her to topically apply

a

>>>mixture of alcohol/vinegar.



>The GP is following the changing trend in treatment of ear infection

>in children, which is to not treat. The alcohol seemingly is intended as



>a placebo, with minor effects on antisepsis and evaporative cooling, I

>imagine. DUMB.



Dumb!  This is appalling!!!  Not treat a condition that has the potential

to cause permanent hearing loss, bone degeneration and possible death!!

SCARY!!!!



>>If she goes outside without a hat in the wind/cold or if she

>>>shampoos in the shower, she gets another infection.

>

>Worse by cold, worse by damp, worse by wind. A combined external and

>internal condition, as expected in a longterm chronic condition of

>superficial locus.



Facinating!



I'm glad my solution may be of some help for the short term..



Terry

If you don't reach for what you want, you virtually have no chance of

getting it.

If you always do what you have always done, you'll only get what you

already have.

Harry Browne, Liberatarian for President





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 08:55:45 -0800



>Dumb!  This is appalling!!!  Not treat a condition that has the potential

>to cause permanent hearing loss, bone degeneration and possible death!!

>SCARY!!!!



Well, not in this case, because this person doesn't HAVE ear infections.

She has ear pain, which the GP is either aware aren't infections and not

telling her, or which he belives to be minor.



>>Worse by cold, worse by damp, worse by wind. A combined external and

>>internal condition, as expected in a longterm chronic condition of

>>superficial locus.

>

>Facinating!

>

>I'm glad my solution may be of some help for the short term..

>

>Terry



What will help is HER not chilling her Small Intestine Channel with frozen

yoghurt every day. She is heading for some sort of colitis as well.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections

From: Lila <bethr@JLC.NET>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:37:00 -0500



>>>I have a friend that has recurring painful ear infections.  Her

>>>doctor doesn't seem to be particularly concerned over the cause of them

>>>and just treats the symptoms with telling her to topically apply a

>>>mixture of alcohol/vinegar.  He has not addressed her diet at all.

>You are expecting a GP to address DIET?

No, but I think it would have been nice.



>What planet is this woman living on?

Sometimes I wonder about this myself.



>So this is a LONGSTANDING chronic condition. For how many YEARS had she had

>problems with her ears?

7-8 years.



>Garlic, garlic, and more garlic. Chicken, with the skin, plenty of it.

>Soups, broths, teas...Warming therapies. SAUNA.

She heard this.



>NO FRUIT, FRUIT JUICE, ICED TEA, COFFEE, FROZEN DESSERTS, SWEETS,

Don't know how well she heard this.



>and tell her to get some sleep!

She heard this.  She has been averaging 5 hours a night of sleep.



Thanks from both of us, Paul.



take care,

Lila b





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:26:28 -0800



>>NO FRUIT, FRUIT JUICE, ICED TEA, COFFEE, FROZEN DESSERTS, SWEETS,

>Don't know how well she heard this.



I knew she wouldn't. Something on that list is what this person is doing to

stay ill. My bet is frozen desserts.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections

From: Lila <bethr@JLC.NET>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 01:31:30 -0500



>>>NO FRUIT, FRUIT JUICE, ICED TEA, COFFEE, FROZEN DESSERTS, SWEETS,

>>Don't know how well she heard this.

>

>I knew she wouldn't. Something on that list is what this person is doing to

>stay ill. My bet is frozen desserts.

Pardon me, but are you psychic?  Bingo!



That one scared me.



peace,

Lila b

"It's man trying to be perfect that causes imperfection." - Geoff Tate

"The Earth does not belong to us, We belong to the Earth" - Chief Seattle

"What is, is wrong" - T. Veblen               "So we did" - A. Morisette

Freud was a dweeb...........................................Lyndeboro, NH





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:15:09 -0800



>>>>NO FRUIT, FRUIT JUICE, ICED TEA, COFFEE, FROZEN DESSERTS, SWEETS,

>>>Don't know how well she heard this.

>>

>>I knew she wouldn't. Something on that list is what this person is doing to

>>stay ill. My bet is frozen desserts.



>Pardon me, but are you psychic?  Bingo!

>

>That one scared me.



I am psychic, but this is also experience.



Tell her to stop, unless she likes having pain. No kidding.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections

From: "E.O. Haymondeo" <HAYMONDEO@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:39:06 -0500



hi

i think that often adult chronic ear infections are related to allergies. or

congestion. iget them too. pretty painful. i either treat the pain, or try to

do something for the congestion. sometimes it seems related to allergies so

igive in and take antihistamine. does your friend have allergies or does it

seem related to congestion? it may not be an infection at all and that may be

why the doc suggests alcohol.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbs in many languages

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:24:36 -0500



I talked to my webmaster and we're going to have to break the herbs up into

separate sections for each language because of the enormous amount of data.

 The English to Latin takes forever to load and it's not even complete.

 We'll start with Italian, German, French and Polish in a couple of weeks and

then expand as I have time to type it all in.   Now if I can just get the

foreign language characters.......



Maureen

http://www.herbnet.com/





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs in many languages

From: Amil Osodrac <selo@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:05:44 EST



On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 17:24:36 -0500 Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

writes:

>I talked to my webmaster and we're going to have to break the herbs up

>into

>separate sections for each language because of the enormous amount of

>data.

> The English to Latin takes forever to load and it's not even

>complete.

> We'll start with Italian, German, French and Polish in a couple of

>weeks and

>then expand as I have time to type it all in.   Now if I can just get

>the

>foreign language characters.......



Try a diferent codepage in your computer!



>Maureen

>http://www.herbnet.com/

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Essiac Report (was--Re: Hoxsey's herbs)

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 22:17:08 -0900



At 11:58 PM 11/6/96 +1100, Lyn Jones wrote:

>Dear Alice/Sharon

>I thankyou for the pages on "Hoxsey Method" I found it very interesting, is

>this method still used today?

>The Essiac is very interesting also.

>Thanx again very much.

>Lyn

>lynj@midcoast.com.au

>

>

I just ran into an old friend yesterday.  About a year ago she called me

wanting to know about Essiac.  Her father had had several surgeries for

bladder cancer and it was getting worse.  So I sent her the info I had and a

few sources for the herbs.  She reported to me that the cancer has gone

completely into remission.  There are no more tumors.  The doctors are

astounded.  He refused chemotherapy a second time after it failed the first

time and took Essiac instead.  It was very good news.  You can make of it

what you will.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Essiac Report (was--Re: Hoxsey's herbs)

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 09:41:04 -0800



>I just ran into an old friend yesterday.  About a year ago she called me

>wanting to know about Essiac.  Her father had had several surgeries for

>bladder cancer and it was getting worse.  So I sent her the info I had and a

>few sources for the herbs.  She reported to me that the cancer has gone

>completely into remission.  There are no more tumors.  The doctors are

>astounded.  He refused chemotherapy a second time after it failed the first

>time and took Essiac instead.  It was very good news.  You can make of it

>what you will.



Bladder cancer may be more responsive to such a Draining therapy. So the

maximum I would recommend reading into this is that cancers that involve

eliminative organs may benefit from eliminative herbs.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Essiac Report (was--Re: Hoxsey's herbs)

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 20:34:06 -0900



At 09:41 AM 11/7/96 -0800, Paul Iannone wrote:

>>I just ran into an old friend yesterday.  About a year ago she called me

>>wanting to know about Essiac.  Her father had had several surgeries for

>>bladder cancer and it was getting worse.  So I sent her the info I had and a

>>few sources for the herbs.  She reported to me that the cancer has gone

>>completely into remission.  There are no more tumors.  The doctors are

>>astounded.  He refused chemotherapy a second time after it failed the first

>>time and took Essiac instead.  It was very good news.  You can make of it

>>what you will.

>

>Bladder cancer may be more responsive to such a Draining therapy. So the

>maximum I would recommend reading into this is that cancers that involve

>eliminative organs may benefit from eliminative herbs.

>

>Paul

>

>

I would have a question on this too.  He is still using the Essiac.

Wouldn't it be better to drop the Rhubarb component now that his system

seems to be clearing?  In fact, he may not need it at all now.  Perhaps if

he continues with Burdock and Sheep Sorrel for about another year as a safe

measure.  What's your take on this??  I don't believe in constantly using

laxative type herbs.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Essiac Report (was--Re: Hoxsey's herbs)

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:13:48 -0800



>I would have a question on this too.  He is still using the Essiac.

>Wouldn't it be better to drop the Rhubarb component now that his system

>seems to be clearing?  In fact, he may not need it at all now.  Perhaps if

>he continues with Burdock and Sheep Sorrel for about another year as a safe

>measure.  What's your take on this??  I don't believe in constantly using

>laxative type herbs.



Why, no, Anita...this is a magical product that must not be tampered with!

Quantities and components are NOT negotiable, when it comes to magic.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: a new, improved itch

From: Sandra Stringer <stringer@LAW.LAW.SC.EDU>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 14:11:15 EST



Hi everyone!  I have a friend who is dealing with an itchy skin

problem.  Initially I thought that I had passed on the scabies to

her, but she had a scraping done at the dermotologist, etc.  He said

it was allergies, put her on some type of steroid, which helped while

she was on it.  Then when she had used all the pills, the itch came

back worse then ever.  When she scratches, even lightly, terrible red

welts form immediately on her skin.  I would  have passed on the info that

many of you gave me when I first manifested my own itchy symptoms,

but I wanted to get fresh input to print out and hand to her.



She is in her mid-30s, slightly overweight (10-15 lbs. maybe?), she

smokes 5-10 cigarettes daily, exercises daily with walking and

cycling.  She does eat sweets, does have a cup of coffee in the

morning, but she has a really clean diet otherwise with plenty of

veggies and brown rice, etc.  She does not consider herself "stressed

out" but I have to wonder...She was taking a generic version of

Benadryl for relief from the itching, but she stopped taking it

yesterday (and told me today that she had a TERRIBLE night).



Any advice you could send my way would be appreciated! (And what is

with all this itching anyway?)



Sandra Stringer

"Give me ambiguity or give me something else."





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: a new, improved itch

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 12:12:56 -0800



>Hi everyone!  I have a friend who is dealing with an itchy skin

>problem.  Initially I thought that I had passed on the scabies to

>her, but she had a scraping done at the dermotologist, etc.  He said

>it was allergies, put her on some type of steroid, which helped while

>she was on it.



Somebody SHOOT that doctor. The use of steroids, which are Yang Boosting

drugs, for a Fall allergic skin condition, which are almost ALWAYS due to

the Dryness (a Yang factor) of Fall, is criminal.



>Then when she had used all the pills, the itch came

>back worse then ever.



Yeah, because that 'treatment' was a total no-brainer.



>When she scratches, even lightly, terrible red

>welts form immediately on her skin.



Heat, from the Dryness, and from the steroids.



>I would  have passed on the info that

>many of you gave me when I first manifested my own itchy symptoms,

>but I wanted to get fresh input to print out and hand to her.

>

>She is in her mid-30s, slightly overweight (10-15 lbs. maybe?), she

>smokes 5-10 cigarettes daily,



Dryness in the Lungs, the Organ of the fall.



> exercises daily with walking and

>cycling.



Tell her to lay off any Heating exercise until this illness has subsided.



>She does eat sweets, does have a cup of coffee in the

>morning,



Dryness in the Bladder Channel, which manages the Yang energies.



>but she has a really clean diet otherwise with plenty of

>veggies and brown rice, etc.  She does not consider herself "stressed

>out" but I have to wonder...She was taking a generic version of

>Benadryl for relief from the itching,



Antihistmines! More HOT drugs. This girl is going to damage her Heart if

she keeps at this.



>but she stopped taking it

>yesterday (and told me today that she had a TERRIBLE night).

>

>Any advice you could send my way would be appreciated! (And what is

>with all this itching anyway?)

>

>Sandra Stringer

>"Give me ambiguity or give me something else."



It's fall, and this is commonplace. She should apply Aloe vera to the Hot

spots, and use corn oil to moisturize. Then she should get herself some

calendula cream from the health food store, some vitamin C (no B's), and

some EFA's (EPO or borage oil, maybe flax), lay off the coffee, and eat

some pears.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: a new, improved itch

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:13:14 -0800



>Paul, you prescribed pears.  I must appreciate your humor.

>Linda



No humor to it. Pears are VERY useful for moistening the Lung and the skin.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: a new, improved itch

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 00:03:20 EST



I  know. I understand what you're saying-just had to give you a hard

time. Ha. Ha.

You'll probably already know this, but I got all my papers on personal

history for the naturopath physician to fill out prior to exam. Anyway,

one sheet is about thyroid problems-taking temperature before arising or

doing ANYTHING each morning for 10 min. for 10 days i believe. If one's

temp. is below 97.6 , one probably has thyroid problem.  Well, this a.m.

my temp. was 96.5. I knew my temp was low. It's always been low for as

long as I can remember.  NOBODY (dr.S) has EVER told me this.  I am told

this can be a cause of depression and all other sorts of problems.

Anyway, I have the rest of the chart to fill out. Any comments?

Linda

P.S. Nothing to do with an itch. I apologize.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: a new, improved itch

From: T'ainne <stondncr@VOICENET.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:27:19 -0500



At 11:13 PM 11/7/96 -0800, you wrote:

>>Paul, you prescribed pears.  I must appreciate your humor.

>>Linda

>

>No humor to it. Pears are VERY useful for moistening the Lung and the skin.

>

>Paul

>

Well, no wonder I love pears and think about eating them when my skin gets

itchy!

T'ainne





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: tinctures taste awful

From: Carolyn Hunnicutt <cth@BELLSOUTH.NET>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:41:46 +0000



Hello- My question is this- how can you stand to take tinctures?The ones

I have taste so bad thar even diluted the way they recommend they're

hideous!Specifically wormword and clove but all the others I have are

awful too!It makes it difficult to get dosage continuity if I dread

taking them so much.Thanks for advice-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures taste awful

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:21:24 -0800



>Hello- My question is this- how can you stand to take tinctures?The ones

>I have taste so bad thar even diluted the way they recommend they're

>hideous!Specifically wormword and clove but all the others I have are

>awful too!It makes it difficult to get dosage continuity if I dread

>taking them so much.Thanks for advice-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net



As a strong proponent of caring for the Stomach, I abstain from causing my

clients nasty gustatory experiences to the best of my ability. PILLS are a

VASTLY superior method of herb delivery, where possible.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures taste awful

From: Mary Watts <mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:13:55 -0500



Paul Iannone writes:

>

> >Hello- My question is this- how can you stand to take tinctures?The ones

> >I have taste so bad thar even diluted the way they recommend they're

> >hideous!Specifically wormword and clove but all the others I have are

> >awful too!It makes it difficult to get dosage continuity if I dread

> >taking them so much.Thanks for advice-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net

>

> As a strong proponent of caring for the Stomach, I abstain from causing my

> clients nasty gustatory experiences to the best of my ability. PILLS are a

> VASTLY superior method of herb delivery, where possible.

>



I prefer extracts for some things, especially if I want a potent dosage,

and yes, they (most of them) have a dreadful taste.

There is a line of "kids" extracts coming out (have heard of them, haven't

tried them or seen them yet) which have flavorings added to them to

make them more potable...I don't intend to use them, myself, but you

might want to look into the line if your another extract fan.



I drop the drops under my tongue, then swallow some fruit juice

[yes, that's *fruit* juice, Paul!!!] to cover the taste and wash it

down.  My children either do the same, or mix it directly into a cup of

juice.



--

mary

----------------------------------------------------------------

mwatts@dimentech.com                                  Mary Watts

                     http://www.contra.org/~mwatts

----------------------------------------------------------------





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures taste awful

From: Michael Redman <mredman@BVOICE.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:48:45 +0000



Mary Watts wrote:



> I drop the drops under my tongue, then swallow some fruit juice

> [yes, that's *fruit* juice, Paul!!!] to cover the taste and wash it

> down.  My children either do the same, or mix it directly into a cup of

> juice.



My understanding of tinctures is that they are mostly alcohol. In fact,

Everclear is recommended as a basis for making your own tinctures.

Everclear is pretty much ultra high-proof vodka.



So, let's see... Vodka in a juice, perhaps orange juice. I think you may

have something here.



--Michael





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures taste awful

From: Mary Watts <mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 08:50:18 -0500



Michael Redman writes:

>

> Mary Watts wrote:

>

> > I drop the drops under my tongue, then swallow some fruit juice

> > [yes, that's *fruit* juice, Paul!!!] to cover the taste and wash it

> > down.  My children either do the same, or mix it directly into a cup of

> > juice.

>

> My understanding of tinctures is that they are mostly alcohol. In fact,

> Everclear is recommended as a basis for making your own tinctures.

> Everclear is pretty much ultra high-proof vodka.

>

> So, let's see... Vodka in a juice, perhaps orange juice. I think you may

> have something here.



[laughing, with smile on my face]

ah so....and if it tasted *anything* like a screwdriver, we'd have

serious problems with overdosing...

:-)



as someone else has already pointed out, there are non-alcohol based tinctures

available as well.



--

mary

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mwatts@dimentech.com                                  Mary Watts

                     http://www.contra.org/~mwatts

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures taste awful

From: LuAnn Mason <luannmason1@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:42:45 EST



On Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:41:46 +0000 Carolyn Hunnicutt <cth@BELLSOUTH.NET>

writes:

>Hello- My question is this- how can you stand to take tinctures?The

>ones

>I have taste so bad thar even diluted the way they recommend they're

>hideous!Specifically wormword and clove but all the others I have are

>awful too!It makes it difficult to get dosage continuity if I dread

>taking them so much.Thanks for advice-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net

>



Honey and warm water.  Lots and LOTS of honey.....  =^PPPPPP  <---me,

taking a really, really gross dose....



LuAnn





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures taste awful

From: BLACKKAT <BLACKKAT@INFOAVE.NET>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 06:56:08 -0500



At 12:13 AM 11/8/96 -0500, you wrote:

>I prefer extracts for some things, especially if I want a potent dosage,

>and yes, they (most of them) have a dreadful taste.

>There is a line of "kids" extracts coming out (have heard of them, haven't

>tried them or seen them yet) which have flavorings added to them to

>make them more potable...I don't intend to use them, myself, but you

>might want to look into the line if your another extract fan.



One line that utilizes gycerin based tinctures is *Herbs for Kids*.  I give

these to my grandson and he loves them.  My diabetic daughter also takes

them as she is alcohol intolerant.  I find that more and more of the

companies producing tinctures, Wise Woman Herbals, Turtle Island Herbs,

Simplers Botanicals to name a few are adding *glycerin tinctures* to their

lines.  In fact, they allow me to order any tincture in glycerin from them.



Blessings!

Sandi

BlackKat@InfoAve.Net



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.  Our deepest fear is that we are

powerful beyond measure.   It is our light, not our darkness, that most

frightens us.

    from A Course in Miracles

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures taste awful

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 20:34:18 -0900



At 07:41 PM 11/7/96 +0000, Carolyn Hunnicutt wrote:

>Hello- My question is this- how can you stand to take tinctures?The ones

>I have taste so bad thar even diluted the way they recommend they're

>hideous!Specifically wormword and clove but all the others I have are

>awful too!It makes it difficult to get dosage continuity if I dread

>taking them so much.Thanks for advice-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net

>

>

If it ain't awful, it ain't medicine (heh, heh).  You can always make them

into homeopathics, that's not too bad.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures taste awful

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 20:34:31 -0900



At 06:56 AM 11/8/96 -0500, BLACKKAT wrote:

>At 12:13 AM 11/8/96 -0500, you wrote:

>>I prefer extracts for some things, especially if I want a potent dosage,

>>and yes, they (most of them) have a dreadful taste.

>>There is a line of "kids" extracts coming out (have heard of them, haven't

>>tried them or seen them yet) which have flavorings added to them to

>>make them more potable...I don't intend to use them, myself, but you

>>might want to look into the line if your another extract fan.

>

>One line that utilizes gycerin based tinctures is *Herbs for Kids*.  I give

>these to my grandson and he loves them.  My diabetic daughter also takes

>them as she is alcohol intolerant.



Alcohol tinctures are necessary for some herbs to extract the medicinal

components.  Not all substances are water soluable or glycerine soluable.

I've tasted some pretty bad teas too.  Bitters connoiseurs would say that it

is necessary to actually taste the bitter components for the complete

effect. Digestion actually starts in the mouth with the stimulation of

digestive fluids. Bitters are frequently used for digestive complaints so it

would stand to reason that the cure should start in the mouth.  Alcohol is

not necessary for alot of herbs but it is for some with alcohol soluable

components.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures taste awful

From: BLACKKAT <BLACKKAT@INFOAVE.NET>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 06:53:54 -0500



At 11:07 PM 11/13/96 -0500, you wrote:

>is this "herbs for kids" a book?

>Linda

>

Linda:

*Herbs For Kids* is a company that produces glycerin tinctures for children.

They offer a small informative booklet of about 20 pages to explain their

tinctures and what they are used for in relation to sickness.



Blessings!

Sandi

BlackKat@InfoAve.Net



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.  Our deepest fear is that we are

powerful beyond measure.   It is our light, not our darkness, that most

frightens us.

    from A Course in Miracles

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures taste awful

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:45:31 -0900



At 06:53 AM 11/14/96 -0500, BLACKKAT wrote:

>At 11:07 PM 11/13/96 -0500, you wrote:

>>is this "herbs for kids" a book?

>>Linda

>>

>Linda:

>*Herbs For Kids* is a company that produces glycerin tinctures for children.

>They offer a small informative booklet of about 20 pages to explain their

>tinctures and what they are used for in relation to sickness.

>

>Blessings!

>Sandi

>BlackKat@InfoAve.Net

>

One of the best ways to get a kid to stop faking illness to stay home from

school is to make the most awful tasting concoction you can think of and

cheerfully get out the bottle when they start their act.  It only takes

once.  My kids never fake it anymore.  They're too afraid I'll "make them well".

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hoxsey's herbs

From: cd3qc@QCVAXA.ACC.QC.EDU

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 16:39:25 EDT



Dear Lyn, Sorry I don't know anything about the Hoxsey method.  I would

suggest you contact a herbalist in your area or call the Alternative

Medicine Dept. of the National Institutes of Health in Washington, D.C.

(tel# is in with information I sent to you.)  -- Any thing I can look up

in the book (it is over 700 pages), please let me know.  The book is

informative as far as saying what's out there, but does not really give

you complete information on where these herbs are available or if any

practioners are actually using them.

   Sharon





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: More Echinacea

From: "Jill F. Becker" <jbecker@OCEANUS.MITRE.ORG>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 16:00:31 EST



Hi All:



   (Yet) more questions about echinacea:  (Please be patient w/

me -- I'm new at this and am trying to understand appropriate use.

The two books that I've gotten so far don't get particularly

specific, but I'm trying to make myself finish reading them before

I go out and buy more...)



   I understand that echinacea is antimicrobial and boosts function

   of the immune system.  But is this a sort of "fast-acting" kind

   of thing?  I mean, if you get sick and take echinacea, does it

   have an immediate impact on the body's ability to fight off

   trouble?  Or, if one suffers from some frequently recurring type

   of malady, say sinus infections during winter months, is it advisable

   to simply take echinacea tablets every day to help ward off infection?



   I'm asking this because I read on the back of the echinacea capsule

   bottle that one should only take them for six weeks or so, and then

   lay off for several weeks.  Does this mean the body builds up some

   sort of immunity to the herb??  If yes, is this true of other herbs?



Thanks -- Jill





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: More Echinacea

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 20:34:09 -0900



At 04:00 PM 11/7/96 EST, Jill F. Becker wrote:

>Hi All:

>

>   (Yet) more questions about echinacea:  (Please be patient w/

>me -- I'm new at this and am trying to understand appropriate use.

>The two books that I've gotten so far don't get particularly

>specific, but I'm trying to make myself finish reading them before

>I go out and buy more...)

>

>   I understand that echinacea is antimicrobial and boosts function

>   of the immune system.  But is this a sort of "fast-acting" kind

>   of thing?  I mean, if you get sick and take echinacea, does it

>   have an immediate impact on the body's ability to fight off

>   trouble?  Or, if one suffers from some frequently recurring type

>   of malady, say sinus infections during winter months, is it advisable

>   to simply take echinacea tablets every day to help ward off infection?

>

>   I'm asking this because I read on the back of the echinacea capsule

>   bottle that one should only take them for six weeks or so, and then

>   lay off for several weeks.  Does this mean the body builds up some

>   sort of immunity to the herb??  If yes, is this true of other herbs?

>

>Thanks -- Jill

>

>

The action of Echinacea will depend on the person who uses it.  It will show

results faster in some than in others.  It also depends on the condition for

which you use it.  Some conditions are more easily resolved than others.

You should not use it all the time.  It tends to lose its effectiveness if

used continually.  I'm not sure if it is because the pathogens get used to

it and are not affected or if the body just becomes accostomed to its

presence.  There are some who claim that it does not matter how long you use

it as long as you are ill.  I think it is fine to use when you are sick and

stop when you are well.

   I do not believe in just taking herbs in case some germ might pass your

way. The only exception to this would be to eat garlic on a regular basis

providing that it does not interfere with existing conditions.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Leaky Gut File, long. No garbage, Paul, you cutiepie.

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:11:37 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-07 12:48:43 EST, you write:



<< I would like to obtain the file myself if the originator can send it. >>





OK, here it is.......I was able to cut and paste it.



The Leaky Gut Syndrome

by Sherry Rogers, M.D.



>From Townsend Letter for Doctors, February/March 1995, pp. 26-28)



     If the gut is not healthy, neither is the rest of the body.  It is the

point

of fuel and nutrient entry that runs the body.



     If healing is at a standstill and you are at an impasse, look at the gut

to see if it is holding you back from getting healthier.  Chemical

sensitivity,

fibromyalgia, and escalating food allergies are among the many problems

caused by the leaky gut.



     If gas, bloating, abdominal pain, indigestion, alternating constipation

and

diarrhea are symptoms, you may be headed for the development of new

symptoms and new diseases.



     If you are taking over-the-counter medications for pain, you may be at

high risk for developing leaky gut syndrome.



     The purpose of the gastrointestinal tract, or gut, is multifold.

 Basically, it

(1) digests foods, (2) absorbs small food particles to be converted into

energy, (3)

carries nutrients like vitamins and minerals attached to carrier proteins

into the

blood stream, (4) constitutes a major part of the chemical detoxification

system,

and (5) contains immunoglobulins or antibodies that act as the first line of

defense

against infection.



     The leaky gut syndrome or LGS is a poorly recognized, but extremely

common problem.  It is rarely tested for.  Basically, it represents a

hyperpermeable intestinal lining.  In other words, large spaces develop

between the

cells of the gut wall, and bacteria, toxins, and foods leak in....



     How dos the gut become leaky?  By inflammation.  and once the gut lining

becomes inflamed or damaged, this impairs the five functions above.  The

spaces

open up and allow large food antigens, for example to be absorbed into the

body.

Normally the body sees only tiny food antigens.  When it sees these new,

large

ones, they're are foreign to the body's defense system.. So the body attacks,

resulting in the production of antibodies against once harmless foods.



     Once you have antibodies to foods, they can do many things, like attach

to

a joint space, for example.  This then turns on an inflammatory reaction,

where

you suddenly have arthritis that is induced by ingesting a food that used to

be

harmless.  Or, if antibodies are in the lungs, suddenly you have asthma, and

unsuspected food allergy can be one of the triggers.



     Food allergy can precipitate symptoms in literally any organ at any

time,

once the gut develops these large, leaky spaces.  And if that were not

enough,

these large spaces allow the absorption of toxins that normally would not

penetrate

the protective barrier of the gut.  These toxins then overload the liver so

that

chemicals cannot be detoxified.  Now you have food and chemical

sensitivities.





     For the body to absorb a mineral, it does not just slowly diffuse across

the

gut membrane.  It must be attached to a carrier protein.  This protein hooks

onto

the mineral and actually carries it across the gut wall into the bloodstream.

 But,

when the bowel lining is damaged through inflammation, these carrier proteins

get

damaged as well, so now the victim is vulnerable to developing mineral and

vitamin deficiencies.



Causes of Leaky Gut Syndrome



     What types of things can cause the inflammation that leads to the leaky

gut

syndrome?  Many things that are very common in the 21st century.  Examples

include abnormal flora (bacteria, protozoa, yeasts like Candida, parasites),

items

that irritate the gut (foods, alcohol, food additives), food allergens,

toxins, and

genetic enzyme deficiencies (like lactase deficiency or celiac disease).  For

example, when we take antibiotics we are at risk of developing an overgrowth

of

antibiotic-resistant yeasts or fungi.  Likewise, it has been known for a long

time

in medicine that antibiotics can cause the overgrowth of Clostridia

difficile, an

organism which can then go on to cause a relentless colitis.



     Often a diet high in sweets (sodas, cookies, cakes, pies, candy bars),

alcohol, and caffeine can irritate the gut lining.  If a person has a lactase

deficiency (lactose intolerance) and ingests dairy products, these can

trigger a

leaky gut.  If a person has celiac disease and eats wheat, rye, oats or

barley, this

can cause an inflammation of the gut lining.  Some people are sensitive to

fermented foods such as bread, cheese, alcohol, vinegar, catsup, mayonnaise,

salad

dressings, or anything that has been aged or pickled  and contains mold

allergens.

Others are irritated by processed foods and the chemicals that are contained

in

them.



     Some intestinal linings can be inflamed by the use of prednisone and

other

steroids, and, of course, the gut can become inflamed because of food or

water

poisoning with such organisms as Giardia lamblia, Klebsiella, Citrobacter, or

Helicobacter.



     Last, but not least, one of the main causes of the leaky gut syndrome is

a

classification of medications called "non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs"

or

NSAIDS.  This includes a large number of prescription medications which are

used for PMS, arthritis, fibromyalgia, and various types of aches and pains.

There are many over-the-counter non-prescription drugs in this classification

as

well.  These include Advil, Motrin, ibuprofin, aspirin, and the new Aleve,

which

is the old prescription Naprosyn.  Ironically, these anti-inflammatory drugs

are a

direct and major cause of the leaky gut syndrome because they inflame the

intestinal lining and cause a widening of the spaces between cells.



Results of Leaky Gut Syndrome



     Let's review the multifold results of this inflammation of the gut.  (1)

When

the gut is inflamed it does not absorb nutrients and foods properly, and so

fatigue

and bloating can occur.  (2)  When large food particles are absorbed there is

the

creation of food allergies and new symptoms like arthritis or fibromyalgia.

 (3)

When the gut is inflamed the carrier proteins are damaged so nutrient

deficiencies

occur which can also cause any symptom, like magnesium deficiency-induced

muscle spasm or copper deficiency-induced high cholesterol.  (4) When the

detox

pathways that line the gut are compromised, chemical sensitivity can arise,

with

the leakage of toxins overburdening the liver so that the body is less able

to

handle everyday chemicals.  (5) When the gut lining is inflamed the

protective

coating of IgA is adversely affected and the body is not able to ward off

infection from bacteria, protozoa, viruses and yeasts.  (6) when the

intestinal

lining is inflamed, bacteria and yeasts, of which there are hundreds of

species in

the intestine, are able to translocate, passing from the gut cavity into the

bloodstream and setting up infection elsewhere in the body.



     (7) The very worst symptom of leaky gut is the formation of auto-

antibodies.  Sometimes the antigens that leak across look similar to antigens

on

our own tissues.  So when an antibody is made to attack it, that antibody

also

attacks our own tissues.  This is how nasty autoimmune diseases get started.

Rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, multiple sclerosis, thyroiditis and many others

are

members of this ever-growing category of "incurable" diseases.



     So a common scenario runs something like this:  a person might be very

healthy and then have an antibiotic for a sore  throat.  The antibiotic does

not go

only to the throat, but also through the whole system; and in doing so it

kills off

many good bacteria that normally inhabit the intestines.  When these bacteria

are

killed, the normally antibiotic-resistant fungi that remain have no

competition; they

grow in large numbers, inflaming the intestinal lining and causing the leaky

gut

syndrome.



     From there the person can develop new food allergies, for example,

resulting

in arthritis, headaches, asthma or other symptoms.  He/she may then start

taking

NSAIDS for these symptoms, thereby perpetuating the spiral.  She/He can begin

having gas, bloating, pain, alternating diarrhea and constipation which is

often

labeled "irritable bowel syndrome" or "spastic colon."  Poor absorption of

minerals

then leads to fatigue, inability to concentrate, multiple chemical

sensitivities.

He/she can develop further infections from fungi and other organisms as the

gut

lining becomes more debilitated.  Then there is absorption of toxins from

these

organisms, toxins which overload the liver detox pathways, and suddenly the

person is chemically sensitive.



Treatment of Leaky Gut Syndrome



     So what do people do who have headache, arthritis, asthma, irritable

bowel,

chronic fatigue, brain fog, chemical sensitivities, and much more?  They

usually

go to various doctors, few of whom will do the test for the leaky or

hyperpermeable gut.  To diagnose the leaky gut syndrome, one merely needs to

perform the intestinal permeability test, an easily performed urine test.

 And how

does one treat the leaky gut syndrome?  Treatment is done in three phases.

 You

must (1) remove the cause, (2) improve the gut function and (3) heal the gut.



     Removing the cause means getting off non-steroidal anti-inflammatory

drugs,

caffeine and alcohol, and changing the diet so that you are not eating foods

that

you are allergic to.  Sometimes the treatment involves taking anti-fungals or

anti-

microbials to kill organisms that have overgrown, infected, and inflamed the

gut.

These can go diagnosed through a comprehensive digestive and stool analysis.



     Next, you must improve the function of the gut.  This is done by

thorough

chewing of food, increasing fiber, using probiotics such acidophilus and

bifidus

organisms which have many beneficial properties, and by using digestive

enzymes,

if indicated, to help break down food into smaller, less antigenic particles.



     Lastly, the gut must be healed, and there are many entities which are

useful

for this.  Fructo-oligo saccharides (or FOS) are a special class of sugars

which do

not foster yeast growth but which the intestinal lining can preferentially

use to

heal.  Likewise, an amino acid L-glutamine is important in healing the gut

wall.

Short chain fatty acids, aloe vera gel, flax teas, anti-oxidants, kudzu,

bioflavonoids,

pycnogenol, detox herbs, correcting nutrient deficiencies, and many more

substances are beneficial.  And often, just like any body part that is sick

or

ailing, sometimes the best thing to do is just rest the gut or fast.



     A major step, however, is first to even know that you have the leaky gut

syndrome.  For without understanding that it exists, there is no chance of

healing

it and keeping it healed.  The leaky gut is prevalent because of the 21st

century

lifestyle.  It can lead to any number of symptoms and diseases.

 Unfortunately, it

is rarely looked for, so if you are at an impasse with any symptoms, you may

find that you need to heal from the inside out.



This was copied from Immune Perspectives Vol. III, number 3...Summer

1995, published by Center for Advancement in Cancer Education.



This is an excerpt from Dr. Roger's book, Wellness Against All Odds,

available

from the Center for Advancement in Cancer Education for $21 postpaid.

 Address

is:  P.O. BOX 48, Wynnewood, PA 19096 Phone (610) 642-4810





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: a new, improved itch/Look around

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 18:11:40 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-07 14:11:16 EST, you write:



<< Any advice you could send my way would be appreciated! (And what is with

all this itching anyway?) >>



     Stop fabric softener, rinse clothes with cup of white vinegar in last

rinse water.  No deodorant soaps or bubble bath, wash with oatmeal.  Look

around for any chemicals introduced to house or workplace or even car.  Rug

shampoo can cause this, too.  Too much niacin can, too.



     Can be gall bladder or liver, pancreas or spleen.  Drink water.  Skin is

the last organ of elimination....sometimes if something cannot go through

kidneys or colon it will come through skin.  Look at the famous leaky gut

file elsewhere in your email.



     Can she be allergic to something you're wearing?





     See ya!       ;  )    Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL.COM



     Non-Force Chiropractic Techniques

     217 Vine St. 1 Front

     Philadelphia, PA 19106-1210

     Phone and Fax  215-922-5447  beeper 215-250-1151





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: a new, improved itch/Look around

From: Sandra Stringer <stringer@LAW.LAW.SC.EDU>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 07:59:42 EST



     >Can she be allergic to something you're wearing?



Well, I'm not around her every day so I don't think that could be the

problem!  She's dealing with this around the clock.  The worst is at

around 3 a.m. every morning - wakes up itching like crazy.







     See ya!       ;  )    Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL.COM



     Non-Force Chiropractic Techniques

     217 Vine St. 1 Front

     Philadelphia, PA 19106-1210

     Phone and Fax  215-922-5447  beeper 215-250-1151

Sandra Stringer

"Give me ambiguity or give me something else."





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 6 Nov 1996 to 7 Nov 1996

From: Kali <kali@INTERNETX.NET>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:33:14 -0500



>Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs





>Paul Iannone writes:

>>

>> >> >The following should *not* be used while pregnant or nursing:

>



   Is there anyone who know's what kind of herbs, if any, that will help a

woman BECOME pregnant?  Or helps alomg ovulation...



   I'd greatly appreciate any answers.

Kali





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 6 Nov 1996 to 7 Nov 1996

From: Carlos Becerra Quiroz <esenio@TELNOR.NET>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:38:15 -0800



At 07:33 PM 11/7/96 -0500, you wrote:

>>Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs



>   Is there anyone who know's what kind of herbs, if any, that will help a

>woman BECOME pregnant?  Or helps alomg ovulation...

>

>   I'd greatly appreciate any answers.

>Kali

>

>Hello Kali:

Yes, Viscum Album help you.

Yo need drink a cup of an infution of the herb three days after yor

menstruation. Another cup the next day and one more the next.

Repeat the treatment one or two months more.

Generaly that is all. The woman become pregnant IF is only an ovulatory problem.

Carlos Becerra.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 6 Nov 1996 to 7 Nov 1996

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 20:34:20 -0900



At 07:33 PM 11/7/96 -0500, Kali wrote:

>>Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

>

>

>>Paul Iannone writes:

>>>

>>> >> >The following should *not* be used while pregnant or nursing:

>>

>

>   Is there anyone who know's what kind of herbs, if any, that will help a

>woman BECOME pregnant?  Or helps alomg ovulation...

>

>   I'd greatly appreciate any answers.

>Kali

>

>

Depends on why there is no conception.  A good diagnosis is needed.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 6 Nov 1996 to 7 Nov 1996

From: Leigh Ann Wallace <Jubalation@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 22:02:23 -0500



On the subject of infertility, sometimes excessive mucus production can be a

culprit, and a vinegar/water douche before intercourse will help (although

usually douching is not recommended when you are trying to become pregnant).

Other reasons for infertility include too small a percentage of body fat

and/or too much exercise. Ease off on the exercise, and it may help. Not

telling you to pork out, but body fat stores estrogen, a hormone that primes

the body for pregnancy. Good luck.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Congestive heart failure

From: Karoly Veress <kveress@FREENET.NPIEC.ON.CA>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:53:43 -0500



Yesterday we received the upsetting news that my sister-in-law was taken

to the hospital with congestive heart failure. The problem seems to be in

the left side of her heart. She feels very weak, her legs and abdomen are

terribly swollen, and she has fluid in her lungs. The weakness and

tiredness seems to have been building over a couple of months. BP is

normal. Age 64. I don't know what kind of medication she is receiving for

her heart, she has been put on diuretics, the swelling has not come down

yet.

According to her daughter (who is a psychologist) she also is depressed,

which does not help in a recovery.



Again, I need you wisdom and caring advise very much !!

Thanks,

Margot





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Congestive heart failure

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 23:41:33 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-07 22:02:01 EST, you write:



<< The problem seems to be in the left side of her heart. She feels very

weak, her legs and abdomen are terribly swollen, and she has fluid in her

lungs. The weakness and tiredness seems to have been building over a couple

of months. >>



She could have been overdosed on meds.  They have cumulative effect on some

people.  Seems as though the meds' side effects are usually same as condition

they're supposed to heal.  If it is meds and no damage has been done, she'll

recover quickly after they're adjusted.  Good luck, I'll pray for her.   Lynn

Kelly, D.C.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Congestive heart failure

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 21:41:31 -0800



>Yesterday we received the upsetting news that my sister-in-law was taken

>to the hospital with congestive heart failure. The problem seems to be in

>the left side of her heart.



By definition. Heart failure is for the most part left ventricle failure,

since it does most of the pumping.



>She feels very weak, her legs and abdomen are

>terribly swollen, and she has fluid in her lungs. The weakness and

>tiredness seems to have been building over a couple of months. BP is

>normal. Age 64. I don't know what kind of medication she is receiving for

>her heart, she has been put on diuretics, the swelling has not come down

>yet.



Congestive heart failure is of course a very serious illness. She may

certainly be dying.



Provided this crisis passes, there are a range of herbs that can be used to

help a tired heart. For this, however, she would need to see a VERY

qualified herbalist, not just take recommendations over the net. I imagine

that Michael or Howie know the ins and outs of Western herbs for the

heart...from a Chinese standpoint, it is most of the time aconite in the

appropriate formula.



>According to her daughter (who is a psychologist) she also is depressed,

>which does not help in a recovery.



Depression with heart failure is VERY common. Which is not at all

surprising, given that the heart is the palace of the spirit, and when it

is dark, the spirit is naturally affected.



I recommend you get her some RESCUE REMEDY from the health food store. It

can be given in the hospital, has no side effects or interactions with

drugs, and can help with mood enormously.



If she is near death and very sunken and near comatose, you may wish to try

a single dose of homeopathic __ Carbo Veg. 30 __. This can have a very

surprising effect on such patients. Of course, a homeopath seeing her would

be best, but in many such cases, that is just plain old impractical.



As I read the post, she is just now been put on diuretics. That suggests

that the condition is not due to medication, but to advancement of the

disease. Let us know if there is an update.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Congestive heart failure

From: John & Theresa Egan <jegan@THERIVER.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 08:20:36 -0800



on the contrary paul, the fact that there is fluid in the lungs also

suggests right sided heart failure.

                                 theresa



Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> >Yesterday we received the upsetting news that my sister-in-law was taken

> >to the hospital with congestive heart failure. The problem seems to be in

> >the left side of her heart.

>

> By definition. Heart failure is for the most part left ventricle failure,

> since it does most of the pumping.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Congestive heart failure

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:52:31 -0800



>on the contrary paul, the fact that there is fluid in the lungs also

>suggests right sided heart failure.

>                                 theresa

>

>Paul Iannone wrote:

>>

>> >Yesterday we received the upsetting news that my sister-in-law was taken

>> >to the hospital with congestive heart failure. The problem seems to be in

>> >the left side of her heart.

>>

>> By definition. Heart failure is for the most part left ventricle failure,

>> since it does most of the pumping.



Well, right, but that commonly RESULTS from left ventricle insufficiency

(the right ventricle can't pump at full volume if the left can't clear).

It's been awhile since I studied heart physiology, but I'll stand by my

statement.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Congestive heart failure

From: Karoly Veress <kveress@FREENET.NPIEC.ON.CA>

Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:37:49 -0500



On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Paul Iannone wrote:



> >Yesterday we received the upsetting news that my sister-in-law was taken

> >to the hospital with congestive heart failure. The problem seems to be in

> >the left side of her heart.



> By definition. Heart failure is for the most part left ventricle failure,

> since it does most of the pumping.



In the meantime tests have shown that she suffered a pulmonary embolism as

well. Is this related?



> >She feels very weak, her legs and abdomen are

> >terribly swollen, and she has fluid in her lungs. The weakness and

> >tiredness seems to have been building over a couple of months. BP is

> >normal. Age 64. I don't know what kind of medication she is receiving for

> >her heart, she has been put on diuretics, the swelling has not come down

> >yet.

>

> Congestive heart failure is of course a very serious illness. She may

> certainly be dying.



Today the news was good!!!! The swelling in her legs is coming down, not

yet in her abdomen though. Her colour is getting much better, and her

breathing is not as laboured anymore.



> Provided this crisis passes, there are a range of herbs that can be used to

> help a tired heart. For this, however, she would need to see a VERY

> qualified herbalist, not just take recommendations over the net. I imagine



Problem is that she lives in Hungary, and not in a place where it is easy

to get to qualified people.



> >According to her daughter (who is a psychologist) she also is depressed,

> >which does not help in a recovery.



> Depression with heart failure is VERY common. Which is not at all

> surprising, given that the heart is the palace of the spirit, and when it

> is dark, the spirit is naturally affected.



I really like the way you express yourself... This way it makes sense.



> I recommend you get her some RESCUE REMEDY from the health food store. It



It's in the mail.



> If she is near death and very sunken and near comatose, you may wish to try

> a single dose of homeopathic __ Carbo Veg. 30 __. This can have a very

> surprising effect on such patients. Of course, a homeopath seeing her would



That is very good to know!



> Paul



Thank you Paul, I knew that I could count on you.

In a couple of weeks we hope to go and see how she is doing. If you have

any recomendations of things to bring her or advise to give her please

tell me. You are much appreciated.



Margot





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sending attachments/Sorry,

              again and again and again and again          and again and aga

              again and again and again and again and again and          again

              and aga again and again and again and again and again and aga

              again and again and again and again and aga

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 19:19:30 -0800



>Lynn Kelly, D.C. STAR CHIRO @ AOL wrote:

>>

>>  To Paul and all the others I hurt and disgraced:

>>

>>     Sorry about the terrible, inexcusable, stupid blunder I made. I was

>> already scolded and the material I sent was called "garbage" or didn't

>>you hear?



It was called garbage by someone who tried to open it without the proper

translator. *I* did NOT call it garbage. I said:



""DON'T SEND ATTACHMENTS TO THE LIST, please. Either send the full message,

or summarize it.""



>This is not how people should feel when they contribute to this archive.

>To Paul specifically, I am sure that you are a very intelligent person

>and you have very valuable things to share with the rest of us.  My

>personal opinion is that it would be nicer for the newsgroup if you could

>find a way to express opinions in a more positive manner.



The expression of 'opinion' is not particularly 'positive' at all, in this

medicinal context. Let's set the bar quite a bit higher, shall we?



>There is no

>reason to tell us that we are stupid or that our information is stupid.



If your information is stupid, then you can expect to have it countered in

strong terms. I am not here to hold your hand while you inadvertently

spread LIES.



>I hope that other people don't treat or respond to you the way you

>respond to us.



With my thick skin that would hardly matter.



>This is a place to share information about herbs (not our

>inadquacies according to Paul).



Information is a term that does not enclose inaccurate rumors.



>Even if our information is lacking in

>some area, please clarify the flaw without making personal attacks.  For

>the others that may read this message forgive me for utilizing this group

>to address an outside issue.



One MAJOR difference of this list and others is that there is a low

toleration for guesswork that isn't labelled as such. Admittedly, that is

my doing, but there have been a sufficiently high level of positive

responses to justify it. There are other places you can go if you can't

handle that approach.



As to 'attachments,' well pardon me, but NO list tolerates attachments. It

is a minor faux pax, but half the problem is that this sort of thing

invites posts full of handwringing, which are a waste of everyone's time.

Frankly, the initial poster of the attachment could have taken her medicine

in a less dramatic way, instead of swinging so wildly into soap operatics.

But maybe she got private hate mail that the rest of us didn't see. Heck, I

even said 'please.' I just don't GET more polite than that.



It is also quite irritating to sit through fifty 'me toos.' If you have

noncommercial information you want to post, POST IT. If you are unsure of

it, say so.



Don't post attachments, don't post me-toos. Don't call me late for dinner.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Growing Herbs was Re: herbs for menopausal symptoms

From: Terry King <terryk@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 03:26:02 EST



Linda,



Two good nurseries I know of are Richters, for a catalog send to Catalog

Requests:  catalog@richters.com.



The other is Nichols Garden Nursery phone:  541-928-9280,  Fax:

541-967-8406.  Address:  1190 N. Pacific Hwy NE,  Albany,  OR.

97321-4580.



Terry

If you don't reach for what you want, you virtually have no chance of

getting it.

If you always do what you have always done, you'll only get what you

already have.

Harry Browne, Liberatarian for President





On Fri, 8 Nov 1996 00:59:42 EST Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

writes:

>i met a wonderful lady that has an herb garden with all kinds of

>herbs. Anybody know of a particularly fair place to order herbs as

>plants or seed (if they're easy enough to grow cuz I'm not great)

>Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: gastric reflux

From: Marcia Daniels <Mldaniels1@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:03:00 -0500



Has anyone used apple cider vinegar to treat gastric reflux?  What are the

pros/cons?  Thanks in advance.  mldaniels1@aol.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: gastric reflux

From: Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 18:02:43 -0500



Have used it, and it worked well at first, in combination with roasted

dandelion root coffee.  Now I am using combination of 1 tsp fennel seed 1 tsp

peppermint in a tea bag. alternating with dandelion and it is working better.

 Have been criticized for using an acid to counteract an acid, but apple

cider vinegar seemed to work anyway.  All the GERD guru's say that peppermint

relaxes the sphincter valve and keeps it open, letting the HCl escape into

the esophagus, but combined with fennel it seems not to be a problem.  Can't

hurt.



  The dandelion root beverage is an instant called DandyBlend.  If you want

more information about it, e-mail me privately.



Thanks



Peter A. Gail





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: gastric reflux

From: Marcia Daniels <Mldaniels1@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:24:30 -0500



I wrote the initial query re use of apple cider vinegar  for gastric reflux

on Nov. 6 but did not get any responses to this query until I read a reply on

11-11-96.  So, maybe  the computer was down, beecause it sounds like the

group has responded to my query.  Anyway, I will again ask the question

again--what is the utility of using apple cider vinegar for reflux and

appreciate any responses.  Sorry for having missed your earlier responses.

 Don't know why I did not receive any mail on any HERB list for several days.

 Thanks mldaniels1@aol.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: gastric reflux

From: Leigh Ann Wallace <Jubalation@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:03:24 -0500



People take apple cider vinegar to keep their systems acidic, since cold

germs grow more rapidly in an alkaline environment. It is a cold

preventative. I am not sure it would be soothing for a stomach problem.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: gastric reflux

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:07:00 EST



Are you saying apple cider vinegar can ward off colds/sinus problems?

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: gastric reflux

From: Susan bendixen <Susipnr@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:04:19 -0500



My mother in law has had great results with aloe vera.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: gastric reflux

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:53:24 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-12 13:42:15 EST, you write:



>People take apple cider vinegar to keep their systems acidic, since cold

>germs grow more rapidly in an alkaline environment. It is a cold

>preventative. I am not sure it would be soothing for a stomach problem.



I can't imagine cider vinegar being good for acid reflux??? I do remember

hearing that many people have stomache pain due to excessive alkalinity

(which most people automatically diagnose as an overly acid stomache). If

this is the case, it will be better with an acidic substance such as vinegar.





Hiatal hernias allow acid reflux and they can be kept calm and inactive by

various means (ie: eliminating food allergies, stress, over-eating, poor

posture, bending or reclining after meals; assuming an erect posture during &

after meals, chiropractic adjustments of the zyphoid, aloe vera, pancreatic &

papaya enzymes) or surgically (bite my tongue!) repaired. I am not sure where

I read it, but the article suggested at as many as 50% of the population over

age 40 have hiatal hernias though not all are bothered by them.



Being a fellow sufferer, I would be interested in more information and input

on this subject.



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: gastric reflux

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:35:58 -0900



At 11:07 PM 11/13/96 EST, Linda K Shipley wrote:

>Are you saying apple cider vinegar can ward off colds/sinus problems?

>Linda

>

>

I doubt it.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rescue Remedy

From: Will Bason <wbason@SWVA.NET>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:29:27 -0500



>

>I recommend you get her some RESCUE REMEDY from the health food store. It

>can be given in the hospital, has no side effects or interactions with

>drugs, and can help with mood enormously.



RESCUE REMEDY is great. It is now called CALMING ESSENCE though.  Same

company (Ellon Inc.).  Unfortunately, i have no comercial interest.

  My family has used it for years for all sorts of minor (or major) trauma.

Especially good for kids.  Helps everything from bee stings to shock from

major injury. Also for emotional freak outs.  Hey, this stuff works, is

cheap (considering how far a bottle goes) and very safe.



                                                        will





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Schisandra

From: Will Bason <wbason@SWVA.NET>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 11:29:53 -0500



        I'd like to know more about this plant. I've been trying to grow it

without much success.  Here's what i know:



           Its a vine and the red berry fruits are used as food and

medicine in much of asia.  A cultivar clone with larger berries  has been

developed in the ukraine  ( i think ) and is being sold in this country by

One Green World nursery under the name "magnolia vine" which is actually

probably a better name for the plant. I bought one which has refused either

to grow or die for the year and a half i've had it.  I haven't been able to

germinate the seeds but might now with info i got in "Herbal Emissaries"

which i bought on Paul's recomendation. ( waiting for me on the small

bookshelf in the natural foods store in my county with only one stoplight).

Great book!!  Also found "Between Heaven and Earth" there and have been

reading it. Is this a good source of info?



  I experience this herb as an up!!  The first time i used it, i put  a

dozen or more dried berries in hot water and forgot about them for a day. I

was fearless about this since i had read about schisandra's use as a food.

I drank the tea on an empty stomach and was quite surprised to feel effects

(sparkle). I liked it and have used it from time to time since. I've used

it with ginseng, but would like to know more about what to use it with

other herbs.

  I have also  mixed it with ginger and lemon for what seemed to me an

excellent potion for flu with bronchial problems. Very good expectorant. I

can see where it might not be good during pregnancy.

        There is a native american species "smooth magnolia vine" that i am

very interested in too.



  I feel a strong affinity for this herb.  I think it is very interesting

that it is used for food, and is obviously somewhat psychoactive. I read

that it is eaten a lot in Tibet.  Fruit, i guess. The berries don't taste

sweet though.  Complicated taste i find quite apealing.



  I eat hardly any fruit mycellf.  I have gradually learned that it is a

poison to my system, especially with other foods and with some fruit much

worse than others. Yogurt is even worse.  I had figured that this was just

a problem with my own system and so have been interested to hear Paul say

that he thinks these are more or less universal tendancies.



  I'm learning a lot from this list and very much appreciate the time some

of you put into learning and then into sharing what you have learned. Also

for the maintanance of the list.  Thank You.



I think it would be good if we all both learn to be gentle with each other

(while still firmly expressing our opinions),  AND grow thicker skins (and

this can mean more, not less, sensitivity).  This is in fact what seems to

be naturally happening as we learn to understand each other.



        A vine like ramble. A sometimes annoying tendancy i have.



                                                wishing us well,

                                                                will





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: I am new !!! Can anyone be of help ?

From: Osvaldo Suarez <osf@ECUA.NET.EC>

Date: Fri, 8 Nov 1996 17:40:07 -0500



HERB LIST

----------------



I am new. I am very interested in knowing how herbs can hel to

improve my health.

Following some suggestion I am going to start a treatment with

3 herbal products ( i do not know commercial names can be named

according to list rules. ) These products mainly kill parasites and

help to regularise bowels.

I would like to have your opinion abt this treatment.

I also  need to lower cholesterol reading and improve my sleep.

In order to improve this last disorder I did a lot of things, including

melatonin.

I will be very appreciative of any help / suggestions.

Osvaldo from Ecuador.



Osvaldo Suarez

EcuaNet-Ecuador

Internet: osf@ecua.net.ec





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: I am new !!! Can anyone be of help ?

From: Carlos Becerra Quiroz <esenio@TELNOR.NET>

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 19:03:22 -0800



At 05:40 PM 11/8/96 -0500, you wrote:

>HERB LIST

>----------------

>



>I also  need to lower cholesterol reading and improve my sleep.

>In order to improve this last disorder I did a lot of things, including

>melatonin.

>I will be very appreciative of any help / suggestions.

>Osvaldo from Ecuador.

>

>

>Hello:

The best for a high cholesterol is Garlic, yes Garlic, (Allium Sativum); eat

one garlic clove at day for 15 days and rest four. That is all. Cholesterol

will go to normal level.

>Carlos Becerra.



P.D. For improve your sleep, drink a cup of a tea of Pasifflora (Pasifflora

Ircanta).





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections/Don't treat?

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 00:41:20 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-08 04:12:22 EST, you write:



<< The GP is following the changing trend in treatment of ear infection in

children, which is to not treat. >>



     Seems to be another fad....probably because children cannot complain and

have no power.  Antibiotics have been overused but people shouldn't be put at

risk.  Years ago people had surgery, sometimes had part of the mastoid bone

removed from chronic ear infections.  They can also lead to meningitis.



     Maybe someone is conducting a study.  You know, there is so much known

about syphillis because researchers allowed many, many people to die of it

without treatment so they could watch the progress of the disease.  Or, maybe

someone invented an artificial eardrum device and wants a market for it.



     Aiming a hairdryer at the ears to dry them after a shower is an easy way

to help prevent infections.   Cranial and whole body chiropractic adjustments

improve drainage and circulation.



     Candida can be a bugger for causing ear infections....sometimes

nutritional  or any other yeast can aggravate it.  Food and environmental

allergies, drugs,  too, and TMJ problems can set off problems.



     It's good to look at the situation surrounding one's life just prior to

or at the time of a problem -- new habits, new purchases, pets, plants, etc.

 No amount of herbs, drugs, manipulation, etc will help if the cause isn't

removed; sometimes it's something as dopey as a rug shampoo, fabric softener

or detergent.



                                                         LK, D.C.



































infections.

































































































































































 Look for causes.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections/Don't treat?

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:57:34 EST



All this talk about ear infections got me thinking about my child age 5

who grits her teeth at night.  The dentist said she has a cross bite.

Does anyone know a cure?

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections/Don't treat?

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:01:06 PST



Children's palate's seem to be much more sensitive than adults.  I

have found that getting a child used to the taste with a very dilute

version of the herb/blend and building up to the theraputic dose

usually works (unless the refusal is of the idea of drinking the

mixture not the actual taste). This is especially important if the

herb is a completely new taste for the child..KB

-------------------------------------

E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 11/16/96

Time: 12:01:06 PM



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections/Don't treat?

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:03:29 -0800



>At 10:59 AM 11/16/96 -0500, you wrote:

>>As to the five-year old not wanting to drink peppermint and/or chamomile tea,

>>did you add a good bit of honey. If not, might help.

>>

>>

>do not dose children (or anyone else) with sugar.

>sugar (honey) diminishes  the strength of the immune system by comprimising

>the ability of neutrophils

>(white blood cells) to engulf foreign invaders like bacteria, by diminishing

>lymphocyte transformation

>and by other means.

>sugar also promotes hypoglycemia and later diabetes.

>ref: optimum wellness, ralph golan m.d.

>

>richard



Oh, nonsense. The demonization of sugar is another of the great myths of

the health food community. Sweetening medicine is a practice that has gone

on for thousands of years, and it is usually fine.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections/Don't treat?

From: linda/richard <kyote@WOLFENET.COM>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:15:37 -0800



At 01:03 PM 11/16/96 -0800, you wrote:

>

>Oh, nonsense. The demonization of sugar is another of the great myths of

>the health food community. Sweetening medicine is a practice that has gone

>on for thousands of years, and it is usually fine.

>

>Paul

>



ingestion of 100g of glucose, frustose, surose, honey or 24oz of o.j.

significantly reduces the ability

of nutrophils to engulf and destroy bacteria. this effect starts within 30

minutes and lasts for over five hours. 75 grams of glucose has also been

shown to suppress lymphocyte acitivity.

ref:

AM J CLIN NUTR 1973, 26, 180-4

DENT SURV, 1976, 52 46-48



richard





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections/Don't treat?

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 18:38:03 -0800



>At 01:03 PM 11/16/96 -0800, you wrote:

>>

>>Oh, nonsense. The demonization of sugar is another of the great myths of

>>the health food community. Sweetening medicine is a practice that has gone

>>on for thousands of years, and it is usually fine.

>>

>>Paul

>>

>

>ingestion of 100g of glucose, frustose, surose, honey or 24oz of o.j.

>significantly reduces the ability



100g of glucose is THREE OUNCES. Who are you kidding? 24 oz of oj is 3

large glasses. What do these huge doses have to do with the subject at hand?



>of nutrophils to engulf and destroy bacteria. this effect starts within 30

>minutes and lasts for over five hours. 75 grams of glucose has also been

>shown to suppress lymphocyte acitivity.

>ref:

>AM J CLIN NUTR 1973, 26, 180-4

>DENT SURV, 1976, 52 46-48

>

>richard



More propeller-head factoids. This is not how you learn what's what in the

universe.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections/Don't treat?

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:29:34 PST



I agree that sugar/honey is not a problem when used to make herbal

brews palatable AS LONG AS the total daily intake is kept to a

reasonable amount.  As always the key is balance....

                                        KB

-------------------------------------

E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 11/16/96

Time: 4:29:35 PM



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections/Don't treat?

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 00:57:08 -0800



>My daughter is one of the pickiest eaters (after her dad).  Except for

>sweets (any time, any day-no problem) Great. I know it's a bad habit.

>Now they got me eating chocolate chip cookies-too many.  Wears down my

>immune system and makes me feel guilty. Anyway, daughter doesn't like

>warm drinks, but complains of being cold.  (not as much as she used to) I

>may have found a dentist who treats the "gritting teeth" kids with

>retainers and spacers (whatever that is-it helped her cousins).



Cold hands and feet, not cold body, I'll bet.



>  Anyway,

>she will SMELL the peppermint/chamomile tea, but won't taste it yet.  (I

>haven't threatened her or tricked her into it yet.  I'll have to think of

>a neat game, but it hasn't come to mind yet)



Give her a small peppermint candy cane before bed,then.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chronic Ear Infections/Don't treat?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:16:40 -0900



At 10:59 AM 11/16/96 -0500, Leigh Ann Wallace wrote:

>As to the five-year old not wanting to drink peppermint and/or chamomile tea,

>did you add a good bit of honey. If not, might help.

>

>

This is not an herb solution but my neighbor, who had a child with chronic

ear infections (and tubes at one time), used ear candles and had no more

trouble.  Ear candles are waxed tubes that you place in the ear canal and

start the other end burning.  The heat from the fire draws impurities and

warms the ear gently.  I used them on my kids too.  They work great.

  In the mean time make sure your child is not constipated and drinks enough

WATER (Not juice or milk).  With small children a little molasses can move

the bowels gently.  Will your child eat peppermint candy?  Although this may

have alot of sugar, you might get some with enough peppermint to help.

Altoids are a good source of peppermint.  I use them when I sing to clear

phlegm from my throat and to soothe it.  You might consider making

peppermint drops from scratch, adding some chamomile too.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Dandelion tea/herbal tea...which brands/stores are good?

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 00:41:22 -0500



 Linda said,



    <<Ya know, I got some dandelion tea, drank some.  every time it made me

nauseated i think. >>



     I had a bad reaction from a very commercial red clover tea and then

bought some from other sources....Penn Herbs in Phila and Heritage in

Virginia Beach....much better.



     Maybe it wasn't picked at the right time, the wrong part of the plant,

the wrong plant or maybe it was too strong or totally wrong for you.



     Listers, who are your best sources of herbal teas?



                 Lynn   STAR CHIRO @ AOL





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: a new, improved itch/Look around the bed and under the sheets

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 02:28:14 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-08 07:58:01 EST, you write:



<< The worst is at around 3 a.m. every morning - wakes up itching like crazy.

>>



Wash bed linens and pj's without fabric softener and detergent; rinse with

cup of white vinegar in last rinse water.  LK  STAR CHIRO @ AOL





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Throat/Lung tension

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 14:43:34 +0000



Hello there



Does anyone experience throat/top of lung/shoulder tension after being at

the computer for a long spell?  Could I be hyperventilating while

concentrating so hard?  I have put an oil burner in the room with lavender

oil, which helps me relax.  Any comments please?



Penny





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Throat/Lung tension

From: Leigh Ann Wallace <Jubalation@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:08:11 -0500



What would help you relax most is taking several short breaks over your long

periods of computer work. Even though you are simply sitting at your

computer, your body is under stress from being held constantly in one

position. I have been a home typist for many years, and I've had this problem

a lot. The only thing that has ever lessened the stress is to work for a

couple of hours, then break for thirty minutes or so. The lavender may help

your mind, your emotional state, but the only thing your body is going to

appreciate is getting up, moving around, take a walk, and get some fresh air.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Throat/Lung tension

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:57:34 EST



I have terrible shoulder tension.  Peppermint tea is great for throat and

head. Lung I'm not so sure.

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Throat/Lung tension

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:45:24 -0900



At 02:43 PM 11/9/96 +0000, Penny Hemans wrote:

>Hello there

>

>Does anyone experience throat/top of lung/shoulder tension after being at

>the computer for a long spell?  Could I be hyperventilating while

>concentrating so hard?  I have put an oil burner in the room with lavender

>oil, which helps me relax.  Any comments please?

>

>Penny

>

>

Force yourself to take breaks often.  You should never sit in one position

for more than an hour.  Go for a walk every day.  Herbs can't help when you

persist in abusing your body.  We weren't designed to sit.  We were designed

to walk.  Remember that your immune system needs movement to work properly.

Your lymphatic system has no internal pump.  It requires movement of muscles

to circulate properly.  Sitting for most of the time will contribute to illness.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fig poultices for boils and cysts

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 20:48:24 EST



I am wondering if anyone knows whether the use of fig poultices to cure

boils and cysts has been studdied?



An elderly friend who grew up in rural Georgia tells me that she has been

using fresh fig poultices to cure boils and cysts for years.  She learned

about it many years ago when she had a breast lump and a friend told her

to cut open a fresh fig, to put the open fig half over her nipple and to

hold it in place with her bra, 24 hours a day.  The first occurance, some

30 years ago, went away within a week.  (She was advised that it would

not work on cancerous lumps.)  The friend cited Hezekiah 24 in the Bible

as a source for the cure; that passage refers to boils.  She has been

using it ever since.



Recently, she came back from Georgia complaining of a hot hard "knot" the

size of an egg in her breast.  She went to her MD who easily located it,

had a mammogram done and immediately referred her to a specialist for a

biopsy.  In the week before appointments, she threw away the antibiotic

perscribed, having taken a single dose, and tried the fig poultice

treatment.  Each day she felt the lump diminishing in size.  When she

went for her biopsy, the doctor was unable to locate the lump, even after

taking 5 x-rays and injecting dye.  (Using the figs may not have been to

her advantage since the doctor stuck her like a pincushion with the

biopsy needle trying to locate it!)  He finally took out some calcium

deposits from another location, which he identified from the x-ray.

Subsequent mammograms turned out negative.



She recommended this to a coworker who tried the fig poultice  between a

lump identification by an MD and a scheduled biopsy 3 days later, with

the same success.



She has also made cysts on her leg disappear after 3 days treatment,

where the fig half was bandaged into place.



I have found only one reference of fig poultices for boils only, in

Humbert Santillo's Natural Healing with Herbs.  (It is not indexed, found

under poultices and contains no references or explanations.)



If anyone has heard of this, is aware of references in the literature,

knows how it works-or can offer a good explanation- please reply.  The

anecdotal cases have me intrigued.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hair

From: Becky Byla <byla@CALSHP.CALS.WISC.EDU>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 09:40:32 -0600



Anybody have any ideas as to what may be lacking in a person

whose hair won't grow? She is 40ish, has dry, fine hair that

will not grow beyond a certain length. Thanks in advance.

Becky





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hair

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:55:45 -0500



     You didn't give a whole lot of information but 40ish, female, dry hair

may mean slow thyroid, either primary or secondary to menopausal effects.





     See ya!       ;  )    Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL.COM





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hair

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:22:41 -0800



>Anybody have any ideas as to what may be lacking in a person

>whose hair won't grow? She is 40ish, has dry, fine hair that

>will not grow beyond a certain length. Thanks in advance.

>Becky



Lack of protein, almost always.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: rob <rys@UCLA.EDU>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:18:06 -0800



Jill-

        Having used _Echinacea spp._ for 15+ yrs., I feel that I have begun

to understand its various actions. It has been my non-specific infection

fighter of choice for quite a while, but it does need to be employed in the

correct manner (as with all herbs!). Echinacea's most well understood action

is that of a non-specific immune stimulant. To put it simply, there are

compounds in the plant which stimulate certain types of immune cells which

thwen go and do the job of dealing with the invading organism (usu. a virus

in the case of upper respiratory infections 'colds'). However, unlike the

so-called "magic bullets" of the Western medical paradigm, this herb has a

rather more gentle action. In practical terms this means that on the

average, it takes ~72hrs. from the time you begin to take the herb for the

effect to be felt. This means it is important to begin taking the Echinacea

as soon as you feel that 'feeling' (i.e. your body telling you that

something's invaded - the scratchy throat etc.) of getting ill. Just as

important is to take the 'correct' form of the herb so that you aren't just

'pissing' away your $ (there are a lot of inferior Echinacea products out

there as a result of all the money-hungry hype-mongers). How do you tell

what's good? For starters, use the tinctures. All the pills I've tried have

been pure crap. Of course there are crappy tinctures too, but there's a neat

little 'home test' you can use to get an idea of how strong (active) the

tincture is. I find this works from my experience about 75% of the time. Put

a dropperful of the tincture on your toungue and swirl it around for 30

seconds. You should feel a strong tingling sensation which lasts for 5-15

minutes. This is a good tincture. As an example, I use (NO COMMERCIAL

INTEREST) HerbPharm's 'Super Echinacea' which I find works quite well. Also,

in addition to all this (hey, no one said this was easy, just fun and a LOT

better for you in the long run <g>), since Echinacea is a Cool and Dry herb,

it's best used with those Hot, Snotty colds. It's important not to take

Echinacea for more than 10 days at a time since your immune system becomes

less responsive to it after this time (called down regulation). So if you

need to take it longer, take 3-4 days off then do another 10 days if needed.

(pant, pant....)

        To finish this off, while Echinacea certainly works well when used

properly, you should look in to WHY you got sick in the first place.

Lifestyle factors (diet, exercise, sleep and relaxation) play a big part in

these things. Hey, it's nicer not to get sick at all, no?? To finish this

novel off, plenty of warm soup, several cloves of garlic (as raw as you can

tolerate 'em) and lots of rest will work wonders when combined with the

above. I've gotten the 'colds'/flu I do get down to no more than 100hrs.

duration. The last one was Dec. '94, for which I'm REAL happy. Well, better

sign off before you all fall asleep. There's a LOT more, so mail me or post

to the list if you want me to bend your ear some more. Take Care!



Rob



At 12:01 AM 11/8/96 +0200, you wrote:

>Date:    Thu, 7 Nov 1996 16:00:31 EST

>From:    "Jill F. Becker" <jbecker@OCEANUS.MITRE.ORG>

>Subject: More Echinacea

>

>Hi All:

>

>   (Yet) more questions about echinacea:  (Please be patient w/

>me -- I'm new at this and am trying to understand appropriate use.

>The two books that I've gotten so far don't get particularly

>specific, but I'm trying to make myself finish reading them before

>I go out and buy more...)

>

>   I understand that echinacea is antimicrobial and boosts function

>   of the immune system.  But is this a sort of "fast-acting" kind

>   of thing?  I mean, if you get sick and take echinacea, does it

>   have an immediate impact on the body's ability to fight off

>   trouble?  Or, if one suffers from some frequently recurring type

>   of malady, say sinus infections during winter months, is it advisable

>   to simply take echinacea tablets every day to help ward off infection?

>

>   I'm asking this because I read on the back of the echinacea capsule

>   bottle that one should only take them for six weeks or so, and then

>   lay off for several weeks.  Does this mean the body builds up some

>   sort of immunity to the herb??  If yes, is this true of other herbs?

>

>Thanks -- Jill





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: Carolyn Hunnicutt <cth@BELLSOUTH.NET>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:25:17 +0000



rob wrote:

>

> Jill-

>         Having used _Echinacea spp._ for 15+ yrs., I feel that I have begun

> to understand its various actions. It has been my non-specific infection

> fighter of choice for quite a while, but it does need to be employed in the

> correct manner (as with all herbs!). Echinacea's most well understood action

> is that of a non-specific immune stimulant. To put it simply, there are

> compounds in the plant which stimulate certain types of immune cells which

> thwen go and do the job of dealing with the invading organism (usu. a virus

> in the case of upper respiratory infections 'colds'). However, unlike the

> so-called "magic bullets" of the Western medical paradigm, this herb has a

> rather more gentle action. In practical terms this means that on the

> average, it takes ~72hrs. from the time you begin to take the herb for the

> effect to be felt. This means it is important to begin taking the Echinacea

> as soon as you feel that 'feeling' (i.e. your body telling you that

> something's invaded - the scratchy throat etc.) of getting ill. Just as

> important is to take the 'correct' form of the herb so that you aren't just

> 'pissing' away your $ (there are a lot of inferior Echinacea products out

> there as a result of all the money-hungry hype-mongers). How do you tell

> what's good? For starters, use the tinctures. All the pills I've tried have

> been pure crap. Of course there are crappy tinctures too, but there's a neat

> little 'home test' you can use to get an idea of how strong (active) the

> tincture is. I find this works from my experience about 75% of the time. Put

> a dropperful of the tincture on your toungue and swirl it around for 30

> seconds. You should feel a strong tingling sensation which lasts for 5-15

> minutes. This is a good tincture. As an example, I use (NO COMMERCIAL

> INTEREST) HerbPharm's 'Super Echinacea' which I find works quite well. Also,

> in addition to all this (hey, no one said this was easy, just fun and a LOT

> better for you in the long run <g>), since Echinacea is a Cool and Dry herb,

> it's best used with those Hot, Snotty colds. It's important not to take

> Echinacea for more than 10 days at a time since your immune system becomes

> less responsive to it after this time (called down regulation). So if you

> need to take it longer, take 3-4 days off then do another 10 days if needed.

> (pant, pant....)

>         To finish this off, while Echinacea certainly works well when used

> properly, you should look in to WHY you got sick in the first place.

> Lifestyle factors (diet, exercise, sleep and relaxation) play a big part in

> these things. Hey, it's nicer not to get sick at all, no?? To finish this

> novel off, plenty of warm soup, several cloves of garlic (as raw as you can

> tolerate 'em) and lots of rest will work wonders when combined with the

> above. I've gotten the 'colds'/flu I do get down to no more than 100hrs.

> duration. The last one was Dec. '94, for which I'm REAL happy. Well, better

> sign off before you all fall asleep. There's a LOT more, so mail me or post

> to the list if you want me to bend your ear some more. Take Care!

>

> Rob

>

> At 12:01 AM 11/8/96 +0200, you wrote:

> >Date:    Thu, 7 Nov 1996 16:00:31 EST

> >From:    "Jill F. Becker" <jbecker@OCEANUS.MITRE.ORG>

> >Subject: More Echinacea

> >

> >Hi All:

> >

> >   (Yet) more questions about echinacea:  (Please be patient w/

> >me -- I'm new at this and am trying to understand appropriate use.

> >The two books that I've gotten so far don't get particularly

> >specific, but I'm trying to make myself finish reading them before

> >I go out and buy more...)

> >

> >   I understand that echinacea is antimicrobial and boosts function

> >   of the immune system.  But is this a sort of "fast-acting" kind

> >   of thing?  I mean, if you get sick and take echinacea, does it

> >   have an immediate impact on the body's ability to fight off

> >   trouble?  Or, if one suffers from some frequently recurring type

> >   of malady, say sinus infections during winter months, is it advisable

> >   to simply take echinacea tablets every day to help ward off infection?

> >

> >   I'm asking this because I read on the back of the echinacea capsule

> >   bottle that one should only take them for six weeks or so, and then

> >   lay off for several weeks.  Does this mean the body builds up some

> >   sort of immunity to the herb??  If yes, is this true of other herbs?

> >

> >Thanks -- Jill

Rob-I have lupus and can't seem to get an answer on whether it is ok to

take immune boosting herbs while suffering from an autoimmune

disease.Any thoughts?Thanks-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gastric Reflux

From: Sharon Camarda <Wordgirl1@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:47:03 -0500



I was introduced to a product by Seven Forests  - Coptis & Evodia Tablets -

by an acupunturist at An Hao Clinic in Portland, Oregon who was working to

treat a suspected ulcer and gastric reflux problem.  The tablets contain

coptis, phellodendron, sankezhen, evodia, peony, saussurea and licorice.

 Perhaps another reader with plant knowledge will explain "why"; I just know

it worked beautifully for me.  Seven Forests distributes in Europe:  biomed

n.v., hovenstaat 45, B-2160 Wommelgem, Belgium and also in the US:  I.T.M.,

2017 S.E. Hawthorne, Portland, Oregon, 97214.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reference sought-soap

From: "Jill A. Sidney" <Jasidney@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:06:50 -0500



<< Subj:        Re: Reference sought-soap

Date:   96-11-12 00:59:28 EST

From:   Jasidney

To:     HERB@trearnpc.ege.edu., Jubalation

To:     lindashipley@juno.com, lynj@midcoast.com.au

To:     Redgato







<< In a message dated 96-11-11 10:48:07 EST, lynj@MIDCOAST.COM.AU (Lyn Jones)

writes:



>

>>does anyone know how to make soap? not lye soap-the scented herbal kind?

>>please respond to list or : lindashipley@juno.com

>>

>>Hello, I'd like to know how to make soap also, I have tried and they turned

>out cracked and then broke, what did I di wrong.

>lynj@midcoast.com.au







Soapwort is the only herb, to my knowledge, that comes close to cleansing but

not in the same as we know soap.  All soap is made with sodium hydroxide or

potassium hydroxide mixed with fats and water.  For further info contact

soap@sojourn.com for directions on subscribing to the soapmaking list, a

great group.  Also some books to get you started:

Soap Making It Enjoying It by Ann Bramson

The Art of Soapmaking by Merilyn Mohr

Soap Receipes by Elaine White

The Natural Soap Book by Susan Miller Cavitch

The Soap Book by Sandy Maine

And some sites to check out:

http:www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant/makesoap.html

http:www.angelfire.com/pages0/soap1214/index.html

http://www.canusa.com/crafts/files/Soaps%20Scents%20 Candles/

This should get you started. Enjoy!

Jill





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Throat/Lung tension.....Computer ergonomics for everyone.

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:42:49 -0500



      Sitting for a long period of time, especially when not taking

precautions to be ergonomically correct can put a terrible strain on your low

back.  Muscles give out after about 20 minutes or less and ligaments take

over supporting your back.



     The area you described is a compensation point.  Try supporting your

elbows (which should be at 90 degrees) with chair arms or cushions, use a

pillow or support to retain the curve at the small of your back.  Make sure

your monitor is directly across from your face.  If you wear bifocals buy

reading glasses so you don't have to tilt your head to see.  Your feet should

be flat on the floor, knees and hips 90 degrees.  Get up and walk around and

stretch a little every 15 minutes.



      If you don't take care of it now you might wind up with carpal tunnel

syndrome or pain caused by muscle spasms and nerve pressure.



     Keep the lavendar going if it helps.  Peppermint helps me because it

keeps me more alert.



         Good luck.      Lynn Kelly, D.C.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Is there a lister herbalist in Phila?/ Call me.

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 16:34:32 -0500



Listers:



      I know chiropractic is great but nothing fixes everything.   Looking

for a thoroughly experienced professional herbalist in Philadelphia or South

Jersey to refer patients to occasionally for in person consults.



     It's important that the herbalist knows interaction of Rx drugs/herbs

and herbs /herbs.  Email me at STAR CHIRO @ AOL.COM





     See ya!       ;  )    Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL.COM



     Non-Force Chiropractic Techniques

     217 Vine St. 1 Front

     Philadelphia, PA 19106-1210

     Phone and Fax  215-922-5447  beeper 215-250-1151





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Barley Green

From: Dos Babe <bobvilla@TELEVAR.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:45:37 GMT



Has anyone one this list ever tried Barley green or Green Magma?  I'd

like to know what Paul thinks of this product.



Thanks





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Barley Green

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:53:07 -0800



>Has anyone one this list ever tried Barley green or Green Magma?  I'd

>like to know what Paul thinks of this product.

>

>Thanks



I think it is generally speaking too Cold for most Americans to use (hard

on the Digestion).



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: (no subject)

From: Carolyn Hunnicutt <cth@BELLSOUTH.NET>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:17:35 +0000



Any advice for arthritis pain?I hurt so badly I can't stand it- mostly

in my hip and shoulder.Is DL-phenylalanine an option?I read about some

potential for eosinophilia(?) with it.Anything else that's safe?

Thanks-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: flu

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:53:08 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-12 18:06:25 EST, you write:



>Well, my liver and turbid damp did a number on me yesterday or else I

>caught the flu.  I try so hard not to use traditional drs. but phenergen

>released me from "it."  I'm getting a flu shot as quick as I can. It was

>really bad.  And considering a kid around the house, one can't relax too

>much.  If you have remedies, please share.



Linda,



There are some wonderful homeopathic flu remedies in your local health store

that would be much kinder to your immune system than the flu shot. A

combination remedy called Oscillococcinum works very well IF you catch it in

the early stages. If you are well into the flu, you would need to look to

symptom-appropriate single remedies.



Wishing you wellness,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Teeth Gritting, was Re: Chronic Ear Infections/Don't treat?

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:06:46 -0800



>All this talk about ear infections got me thinking about my child age 5

>who grits her teeth at night.  The dentist said she has a cross bite.

>Does anyone know a cure?

>Linda



You've found another use for peppermint tea. Give her a nice warm cup of

peppermint and chamomile before bed.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Dialysis and CoenzyemeQ10

From: Barbara Bettencourt <Bjbetten@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:19:15 -0500



Does any one know (you, Paul) if CoQ10 is a small enough molecule to be

dialyzed out of the blood during a dialysis treatment?  I am a hemodialysis

patient with lymphoma caused by immunosuppressive drugs that I took for a

kidney transplant I had for 6 years.  I just finished conventional

chemotherapy and would like to help my immune system along but have to be

careful what I take.  Ideas?



BJ





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dialysis and CoenzyemeQ10

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:10:32 -0800



>Does any one know (you, Paul) if CoQ10 is a small enough molecule to be

>dialyzed out of the blood during a dialysis treatment?  I am a hemodialysis

>patient with lymphoma caused by immunosuppressive drugs that I took for a

>kidney transplant I had for 6 years.  I just finished conventional

>chemotherapy and would like to help my immune system along but have to be

>careful what I take.  Ideas?

>

>BJ



Probably not. These coenzymes are pretty big, in general.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Teeth gritting

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:00:29 -0500



Dear Linda:



     Does anyone else in your family have a cross bite?  What I'm looking for

is a reason.    Some mouth formations are inherited.  If she was injured in

the past from a fall, birth or whack on the head  her cranial bones,

especially TMJ need adjusting.  If it's let go it can lead to real problems.

 How long has she been doing this?



     Gritting can be caused by tension,  a  cervical subluxation, muscles

spasms at the TMJ, lack of magnesium, calcium, b vitamins.  Did your dentist

suggest treatment and what kind?  Lynn Kelly,  D.C.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Teeth gritting

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:51:07 EST



i don't know if i answered all of the questions you asked.  No one else,

except my sister has jaw problems.  My dad has ringing in his ears.  My

sister has painful jaws-she wears some sort of device at night with pain.

 My daughter had no more falls, etc. than any other baby that I know of.

She has been gritting her teeth as long as she has had teeth.  Lately

she's been gritting but before that I think she had slacked off gritting

her teeth for several months.  It's probably stress.  Bless her heart her

mom and dad had been arguing quite alot.  I'm sure that doesn't help.

Dental asst. said braces would help later.  Daughter doesn't have her

permanent teeth yet.  I will TRY the peppermint/chamomile tea but she is

VERY picky eater/drinker. Thank you.     Also, can I give her echinacea

(40 lbs.) when she gets sore throatl/drainage/infection/cold?  If so, how

much? Thanks again.

Lindashipley@juno.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Teeth gritting

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:30:53 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-13 19:15:11 EST, you write:



<< No one else, except my sister has jaw problems.  My dad has ringing in his

ears.  My sister has painful jaws-she wears some sort of device at night with

pain. >>



These are all signs of TMJ syndrome.



     <<The dentist said if it doesn't correct itself she'll have to have

braces when she gets older.>>



Did the dentist have any ideas how it began?



 Lack of magnesium can be a big factor;  cranial adjustments will help.

 Regardless, a towel soaked in epsom salts dissolved in warm water and used

as a soak on the sides of the face can help resolve muscle spasms at the

joint.  Chewing gum and hard food hurts.  Sacroiliac joints may need

adjustment, too.  Lynn Kelly, D.C.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Teeth gritting

From: Cathy Tice <TICE@VAXA.CIS.SUNYCGCC.EDU>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:06:19 -0500



My son grinds his teeth awful, too.  We went to the dentist and

he was fitted for a mouth guard.  (It's kind of like a very thin

plastic mouth piece.)  At night, my son pops it in his mouth,

over his bottom teeth and VOILA, no more teeth grinding.  It cost

about $75.  It works great!!!



Cathy Tice

South Cairo, NY





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Soap Recipes.

From: Acts Magdalena <acts_mag@PANIX.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 01:51:54 -0500



http://www.demon.co.uk/muderon/fragrant/makesoap.html

This address did not work for me when I tried to look it up, but I found

two nice ones that did

http://www.calweb.com/%7Ekwstork/soap.html

Is a soap recipe for those who just want to make the stuff from

ingredients you can get at the store

http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/shez3.html

I suppose this one is for purists who like to do all the work themselves

and or live on a farm or some out of the way cabin.  It's still fun to

read.  It teaches you how to make your own LYE!  Have fun.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: .which brands/stores are good?

From: Kim P Ratcliff <kimrcliff@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 02:48:29 EST



>     Listers, who are your best sources of herbal teas?

>

>                 Lynn   STAR CHIRO @ AOL

>

  I am my best source, followed closely by Blessed Herbs- they've been

faithful to provide me with QUALITY for the past ten years.  (I don't

sell anything for them)



Kim in VA

Kimrcliff@juno.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures ...alcohol

From: Kim P Ratcliff <kimrcliff@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 02:48:29 EST



>Alcohol tinctures are necessary for some herbs to extract the

>medicinal

>components.  Not all substances are water soluable or glycerine

>soluable.



>Alcohol is

>not necessary for alot of herbs but it is for some with alcohol

>soluable

>components.



Anita-

Do you have a general list of herbal constituents that are *not* readily

extracted by alcohol?



TIA

Kim in VA

Kimrcliff@juno.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures ...alcohol

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:23:54 -0900



At 02:48 AM 11/13/96 EST, Kim P Ratcliff wrote:

>>Alcohol tinctures are necessary for some herbs to extract the

>>medicinal

>>components.  Not all substances are water soluable or glycerine

>>soluable.

>

>>Alcohol is

>>not necessary for alot of herbs but it is for some with alcohol

>>soluable

>>components.

>

>Anita-

>Do you have a general list of herbal constituents that are *not* readily

>extracted by alcohol?

>

>TIA

>Kim in VA

>Kimrcliff@juno.com

>

>

I do not have a general list but there are two books I can think of offhand

that would contain information along theses lines: "The Complete Medicinal

Herbal" by Ody and "Potter's New Cyclopaedia of Medicinal Herbs and

Preparations".   I find things in my reading from time to time.  I read

alot. Alcohol is a better menstrum for extraction than water because it does

extract more components than water.  I'm sure there are some things that are

not alcohol soluable.  It seems that there's something about Lobelia in this

regard.  I'll have to look it up.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tinctures ...alcohol

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:48:14 -0800



>Alcohol is a better menstrum for extraction than water because it does

>extract more components than water.





'Better is highly relative.' Alcohol may extract components that you don't

want, after all. Traditionally, the Chinese used water extraction, and

ground-herb pills, even though they had plenty of alcohol on hand. WHY?

Because these were the 'best' method.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Arthritis help

From: Sue Vasick-Croley <Sersa@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:34:49 -0500



Carolyn,

Sorry to hear of your pain; I can sympathize with you.

I understand there is a new product just recently approved called Myristin;

it has proven in research to ease the pain of arthritisxactually it works

well on any 'bone on bone" problem.

You might want to see if you can get some information on that.

Sue V-C

sersa@aol.com

"no flames please, I have no personal interest in this product"





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: CoQ10 and Dialysis

From: Barbara Bettencourt <Bjbetten@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:27:49 -0500



Paul,



Do you know if CoQ10 is a small enough molecule to be dialyzed off?  I am a

dialysis patient with lymphoma (caused by immunosuppressive drugs taken for a

kidney transplant that I had for 5 years).  I would like to bolster my immune

system but can't take things that won't dialyze off because they will build

up in my system and probably become toxic.  Any ideas?



BJ





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CoQ10 and Dialysis

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:35:50 -0900



At 11:27 AM 11/13/96 -0500, Barbara Bettencourt wrote:

>Paul,

>

>Do you know if CoQ10 is a small enough molecule to be dialyzed off?  I am a

>dialysis patient with lymphoma (caused by immunosuppressive drugs taken for a

>kidney transplant that I had for 5 years).  I would like to bolster my immune

>system but can't take things that won't dialyze off because they will build

>up in my system and probably become toxic.  Any ideas?

>

>BJ

>

>

This is an HERB list.  This question might be more appropriate for the

holistic list.  Why do you want to take CoQ10 anyway???  You might be better

off using some homeopathics which should not interfere with dialysis.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CoQ10 and Dialysis

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:39:00 -0800



>This is an HERB list.  This question might be more appropriate for the

>holistic list.  Why do you want to take CoQ10 anyway???  You might be better

>off using some homeopathics which should not interfere with dialysis.



True enough, but CoQ10 won't interfere with dialysis, is a ubiquitous

chemical in the body with NO known contraindications other than wasting

money. Homeopathics, on the other hand, if misapplied, can devastate the

health.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CoQ10 and Dialysis

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:43:31 -0900



At 02:39 PM 11/14/96 -0800, Paul Iannone wrote:

>>This is an HERB list.  This question might be more appropriate for the

>>holistic list.  Why do you want to take CoQ10 anyway???  You might be better

>>off using some homeopathics which should not interfere with dialysis.

>

>True enough, but CoQ10 won't interfere with dialysis, is a ubiquitous

>chemical in the body with NO known contraindications other than wasting

>money. Homeopathics, on the other hand, if misapplied, can devastate the

>health.

>

>Paul

>

>

Which is why someone with such a dangerous condition should see a competent

practitioner rather than trying to treat themselves with OTC questionable

trendy health items.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CoQ10 and Dialysis

From: Barbara Bettencourt <Bjbetten@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:43:53 -0500



So Paul, Do you think CoQ10 is a waste of money?  Or...is that your dry wit?

 Do you have any recommendations?  I am willing (and very compliant) but I

just need to know what's not going to hurt me.



Thanks,



Barb





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CoQ10 and Dialysis

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:47:41 -0800



>So Paul, Do you think CoQ10 is a waste of money?  Or...is that your dry wit?

> Do you have any recommendations?  I am willing (and very compliant) but I

>just need to know what's not going to hurt me.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Barb



It's NOT going to hurt you. It MAY be a waste of money. CoQ10 is found in

every energy-producing cell in the body (why it is called Ubiquinone).

There is no known toxicity to such a ubiquitous chemical.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CoQ10 and Dialysis

From: Lisa Contreras <LMCONT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:12:25 EST



On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:47:41 -0800 Paul Iannone said:

>>So Paul, Do you think CoQ10 is a waste of money?  Or...is that your dry wit?

>> Do you have any recommendations?  I am willing (and very compliant) but I

>>just need to know what's not going to hurt me.

>>

>>Thanks,

>>

>>Barb

>

>It's NOT going to hurt you. It MAY be a waste of money. CoQ10 is found in

>every energy-producing cell in the body (why it is called Ubiquinone).

>There is no known toxicity to such a ubiquitous chemical.

>

>Paul



      Prescription for Natural Healing by James and Phyllis Balch has an

interesting discussion of CoQ10.  It agrees with what Paul says in that it

IS a ubiquitous substance, but the authors point out that this  vitaminlike

substance which resembles vitamin E declines with age and should be supple-

mented as it plays a crucial role in the effectiveness of the immune system and

in the aging process.  They write that the New England Institute reports that

CoQ10 alone is effective in reducing mortality in experimental animals

afflicted with tumors and leukemia.  It apparently is widely used in Japan in

the treatment of heart disease and high blood pressure.  Other research has

revealed that the use of CoQ10 is beneficial in the treatment of allergies,

asthma and respiratory disease.  I can speak from experience in support of

this claim.  Since I started taking only 1 CoQ10 capsule in the AM, I have

been able to sleep all night without being awakened by my asthma - something

that I hadn't been able to do for more than 20 years!



There was a _lot_ more in the section about C0Q10 but I won't take up any

more band space at this time.  If anyone has questions about a specific ailment

and wants to know if CoQ10 might be helpful in dealing with it, they may post

to the list or email me privately. (No, I have NO financial interest in this

product!!)



Paul, if you know something I don't about this, please let me know. There's

not a lot to be found on it in the literature, but I'd like to read more if

you or others know of other sources.





Lisa





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CoQ10 and Dialysis

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:42:38 -0800



>>It's NOT going to hurt you. It MAY be a waste of money. CoQ10 is found in

>>every energy-producing cell in the body (why it is called Ubiquinone).

>>There is no known toxicity to such a ubiquitous chemical.

>>

>>Paul

>

>      Prescription for Natural Healing by James and Phyllis Balch has an

>interesting discussion of CoQ10.  It agrees with what Paul says in that it

>IS a ubiquitous substance, but the authors point out that this  vitaminlike

>substance which resembles vitamin E declines with age and should be supple-

>mented as it plays a crucial role in the effectiveness of the immune

>system and

>in the aging process.



It IS a ubiquitous chemical, and it IS NOT KNOWN to decline in healthy

individuals, since we have ZERO way of testing for its presence short of

surgical biopsy, which we do not perform on healthy people.



>They write that the New England Institute reports that

>CoQ10 alone is effective in reducing mortality in experimental animals

>afflicted with tumors and leukemia.



And around and around we go. I have already covered this, Lisa. THE

EXISTENCE OF A NEED FOR COQ10 IN DISEASE STATES SAYS **NOTHING** ABOUT ITS

NEED OTHERWISE. This is a fallacy of arguing from specifics to

generalities, and it is CRAP.



>It apparently is widely used in Japan in

>the treatment of heart disease and high blood pressure.  Other research has

>revealed that the use of CoQ10 is beneficial in the treatment of allergies,

>asthma and respiratory disease.



Those are empirical studies, which don't 'reveal' anything...they represent

data, which may or may not be relevant, evidentiary, accurate, or

meaningful.



>I can speak from experience in support of

>this claim.  Since I started taking only 1 CoQ10 capsule in the AM, I have

>been able to sleep all night without being awakened by my asthma - something

>that I hadn't been able to do for more than 20 years!



We have no way of knowing if this is placebo or not.



>There was a _lot_ more in the section about C0Q10 but I won't take up any

>more band space at this time.  If anyone has questions about a specific

>ailment

>and wants to know if CoQ10 might be helpful in dealing with it, they may post

>to the list or email me privately. (No, I have NO financial interest in this

>product!!)

>

>Paul, if you know something I don't about this, please let me know. There's

>not a lot to be found on it in the literature, but I'd like to read more if

>you or others know of other sources.

>

>

>Lisa



Let's drop it. I stand by my statement. It is a substance with no known

harm other than financial. That said, there is no evidence that

supplementation by healthy individuals is worth the money that could be

spent, say, on ginseng.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CoQ10 and Dialysis

From: linda/richard <kyote@WOLFENET.COM>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 10:22:31 -0800



At 05:12 PM 11/15/96 EST, you wrote:



>Paul, if you know something I don't about this, please let me know. There's

>not a lot to be found on it in the literature, but I'd like to read more if

>you or others know of other sources.

>

>

>Lisa

>

here's a web site for co-q10

http:www.geophys.washington.edu/FAC/ELY/j-ely.html



richard

---------------------------------------------------

        LET YOUR LIFE BE YOUR MESSAGE



richard and linda       seattle wa.





___________________________________________________





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>: Re: newbie question

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:09:35 EST



--------- Begin forwarded message ----------

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: newbie question

Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 19:46:03 -0700

Message-ID: <v01540b03ae8f38f511ab@[204.179.169.53]>



>Paul-

>What are the MUCH better solutions to my problems than Prozac?

>(depression from abuse of sorts, 2 miscarriages, PMS, confidence

>problems)  Thank you very much.



The best solution for spirit problems that date back to childhood (if

this

is so) is constitutional minimum dose homeopathy--bar none.



>Also, my constitution is large bones-about 20 lbs. overweight now,

>too.But still exercising. Oh, once you said I was taking "an awful of of

>stimulants".  What do you suggest?



I do recommend considerable amounts of pleasurable exercise, but not to

the

point of becoming overheated. If you feel hot after even mild exercise,

then you have health imbalances that need addressing BEFORE you engage an

exercise regime.



As for stimulant use, it is not a well you can pull from forever. We have

to put back for what we take out. A simple law of life.



Paul



--------- End forwarded message ----------

What is a "constitutional minimum dose-homeopathy" for spirit problems?

It has taken me a long time.

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>: Re: newbie question

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:44:10 -0800



>What is a "constitutional minimum dose-homeopathy" for spirit problems?

>It has taken me a long time.

>Linda



A conservative form of homeopathic practice. You need to see a homeopath

that practices ONLY this form of therapy. They are hard to find.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: (no subject)/Arthritis

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:42:06 -0500



Carolyn,



Please try to look to the cause of your arthritis for pain relief.

Antioxidants help lots of people--pycnogenol or grape seed extract (cheaper)

is very beneficial. Also Trace Minerals puts out a combination

mineral/herb/glucosamine sulfate product called ARTH-X PLUS. Not only do I

hear about wonderful results from this one, but if you use it for 30 days and

don't get any relief, they will give you a full refund for your empty bottle.

And, just the Glucosamine Sulfate itself is incredible. According to many

studies, it will alleviate the inflammation & pain, but even better, over

time, it will help to repair the arthritic damage done to the joint.



All of these products can be found in any health food store.



Wishing you wellness,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: horse chestnut seed extract

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:04:29 -0500



Does anyone have information on horse chestnut seed extract and where it's

available?



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing and Marketing Network

2nd Annual Herb Business Winter Getaway conference, Baton Rouge, LA, Feb

6-10, 1997





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Calcium deposits on the spine

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:23:42 -0900



My daughter's future father in law was in a car accident which left him with

multiple fractures on the spine.  He is developing calcium deposits and has

great pain from them and is unable to work.  Does anyone on the list know if

there is a non-surgical way to eliminate the deposits?  Would vitamin or

herbal supplements help?  This is out of my league.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium deposits on the spine

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:46:10 -0800



>My daughter's future father in law was in a car accident which left him with

>multiple fractures on the spine.  He is developing calcium deposits and has

>great pain from them and is unable to work.  Does anyone on the list know if

>there is a non-surgical way to eliminate the deposits?  Would vitamin or

>herbal supplements help?  This is out of my league.



Taijiquan or Qigong would be good practices for this.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium deposits on the spine

From: linda/richard <kyote@WOLFENET.COM>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:11:07 -0800



At 11:23 AM 11/13/96 -0900, you wrote:

>My daughter's future father in law was in a car accident which left him with

>multiple fractures on the spine.  He is developing calcium deposits and has

>great pain from them and is unable to work.  Does anyone on the list know if

>there is a non-surgical way to eliminate the deposits?  Would vitamin or

>herbal supplements help?  This is out of my league.

>***********************************************************



what is his intake of calcium and magnesium? does he avoid/minimize Ca intake?

what about vitamin D intake? can he exercise?



richard





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium deposits on the spine

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:35:55 -0900



At 07:11 PM 11/13/96 -0800, linda/richard wrote:

>At 11:23 AM 11/13/96 -0900, you wrote:

>>My daughter's future father in law was in a car accident which left him with

>>multiple fractures on the spine.  He is developing calcium deposits and has

>>great pain from them and is unable to work.  Does anyone on the list know if

>>there is a non-surgical way to eliminate the deposits?  Would vitamin or

>>herbal supplements help?  This is out of my league.

>>***********************************************************

>

>what is his intake of calcium and magnesium? does he avoid/minimize Ca intake?

>what about vitamin D intake? can he exercise?

>

>richard

>

>

I'm not sure if he supplements.  He is apparently in great pain and doesn't

move much.  He was active before the accident.  I will ask.

  Are you saying that he should minimize Calcium?  I understand that calcium

deposits occur as in heel spurs as a result of calcium deficiency.  This may

be the same.  The thinking is that "deformities" occur because the bone is

lacking nutrients.  I would think that mineral supplementation would be

greatly beneficial.  It seems that there is great stress on the resources of

the bones in this area at this time due to the healing process.  I would

probably recommend calcium and other mineral supplementation along with

silica perhaps from horsetail and kelp for trace elements.  Let's discuss.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Calcium deposits on the spine

From: "Anita Hales (by way of Penny Hemans <pennyh@thenet.co.uk>)"

              <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:39:38 +0000



My daughter's future father in law was in a car accident which left him with

multiple fractures on the spine.  He is developing calcium deposits and has

great pain from them and is unable to work.  Does anyone on the list know if

there is a non-surgical way to eliminate the deposits?  Would vitamin or

herbal supplements help?  This is out of my league.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************

Dear Anita



As a reflexologist, I actually have had one patient with a similar

condition, and have been treating her regularly for the past six months.

We have noticed a remarkable improvement and her pain has diminished

greatly.

Hope this helps.



Penny





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium deposits on the spine

From: Leigh Ann Wallace <Jubalation@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:50:21 -0500



I don't know of any internal supplements offhand, but there is something

noninvasive that can help. Ultrasound treatments, applied topically by some

chiropractors, break down the deposits and allow them to be absorbed by the

body. The ultrasound gently vibrates the deposits loose. I've also heard this

to be successful in bone spurs on the heel of the foot as well (as an aside).





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium deposits on the spine

From: linda/richard <kyote@WOLFENET.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:28:58 -0800



>>

>I'm not sure if he supplements.  He is apparently in great pain and doesn't

>move much.  He was active before the accident.  I will ask.

>  Are you saying that he should minimize Calcium?  I understand that calcium

>deposits occur as in heel spurs as a result of calcium deficiency.  This may

>be the same.  The thinking is that "deformities" occur because the bone is

>lacking nutrients.  I would think that mineral supplementation would be

>greatly beneficial.  It seems that there is great stress on the resources of

>the bones in this area at this time due to the healing process.  I would

>probably recommend calcium and other mineral supplementation along with

>silica perhaps from horsetail and kelp for trace elements.  Let's discuss.

>***********************************************************



anita;



i agree. supplement with calcium, magnesium and trace elements.

at least 1gram calcium and an equal amt of Mg.

vitamin D=400mg



 normal healthy people will have a negative Ca balance overnight which will

change to postive

balance upon movement in the morning. consider pain killers to allow mild

exercise



richard.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: throat/lung tension, computers and exercise

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:16:54 +0000



Thanks to all of you who have contributed their advice and thoughts on this

one.  My exercise powers are limited due to CFS, so obviously sitting at

the computer for long periods of time does not help.  Have invested in

peppermint tea and am taking shorter breaks.  Everything I have received

from you all is very positive.



Blessings also

Penny





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Migraines & Sinus Pressure

From: Nancy Blagman <BlagmanN@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:37:47 -0500



I suffer from occasional migraines, usually occuring pre or post menstrually,

and frequently when the barometric pressure drops, which causes extreme sinus

pressure (I can predict the weather).  Unlike some other migraine sufferers,

I don't always get a physical "warning," at least not that I am tuned into.



The really bad headaches are accompanied by nausea, and until I throw up,

they don't go away.  Fortunately these types are less frequent.



I'm new to this list; have been reading for about a week now, and will

appreciate any remedy ideas, herbal or otherwise!  Thanks.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Migraines & Sinus Pressure

From: Cathy Tice <TICE@VAXA.CIS.SUNYCGCC.EDU>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:30:38 -0500



Sorry for your troubles.  I can emphathize with you.  The BEST

solution I have found is feverfew.  You can get it in just about

any health food store.  It usually comes in a capsule.  For

myself, I just go in my garden and take off a leaf, give it a few

chews, and then swallow it.

It is a little bitter, but bitter is better than a migrane.

I keep a big bunch of feverfew in my kitchen drying and will use

the dry leaves in the winter.



Let me know how you make out.

tice@vaxa.sunycgcc.edu



Cathy Tice

South Cairo, NY

Zone 5





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Migraines & Sinus Pressure

From: Wendy Harrell <WenHarrell@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:02:00 -0500



Cathy, When you say you take off a feverfew leaf, chew it and swallow it, do

you do this every day? Or only when you feel a migraine coming on? Does it

work when you're in the midst of a full-blown migraine? I'm new to the list

too and am getting some excellent information here. I'd appreciate your input

since you're using it first-hand. I've read, and own many books but sometimes

real-life patient testimonial is the best way to learn.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Migraines & Sinus Pressure

From: Denise and Frank Dick <fdick@ZIPLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:27:46 -0800



Wendy Harrell wrote:

>

> Wendy, I agree with Cathy that feverfew is wonderful for headaches of all kinds.

Before I moved I had 2 feverfew plants in the garden and am looking

forward to spring so I can plant some in my new garden.  I make feverfew

tea when I feel a headache coming on.  Since it is bitter, I add rosemary

& sage (to relieve tension) along  with various mints & lemon balm.  The

tea works quickly for me (within 10 minutes). My scientific husband

became a believer in herbal therapy after I made him my 'headache' tea.

Best of luck!





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Migraines & Sinus Pressure

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:48:46 GMT



On Thu, 14 Nov 1996 12:37:47 -0500, in  Nancy Blagman <BlagmanN@AOL.COM> wrote:



>I suffer from occasional migraines, usually occuring pre or post menstrually,

>and frequently when the barometric pressure drops, which causes extreme sinus

>pressure (I can predict the weather).  Unlike some other migraine sufferers,

>I don't always get a physical "warning," at least not that I am tuned into.

>

>The really bad headaches are accompanied by nausea, and until I throw up,

>they don't go away.  Fortunately these types are less frequent.



There is a very good entry on migraine and herbs in the medicinal herbfaq. 



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Migraines & Sinus Pressure

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:25:36 -0900



At 03:02 PM 11/14/96 -0500, Wendy Harrell wrote:

>Cathy, When you say you take off a feverfew leaf, chew it and swallow it, do

>you do this every day? Or only when you feel a migraine coming on? Does it

>work when you're in the midst of a full-blown migraine? I'm new to the list

>too and am getting some excellent information here. I'd appreciate your input

>since you're using it first-hand. I've read, and own many books but sometimes

>real-life patient testimonial is the best way to learn.

>

>

My daughter used encapsulated feverfew for her migraines.  It was best if

used daily.  However, she became sensitive to it and had to discontinue its

use.  So perhaps it should be used for a couple weeks and discontinued for a

week then resumed to prevent this from happening.  If you get migraines at

certain times, such as just before a monthly cycle then you can begin taking

the feverfew before you think you will be susceptable.  We found that

Israeli feverfew was superior.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Migraines & Sinus Pressure

From: Ellen Mizzell <ellen@TICTAC.DEMON.CO.UK>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:47:57 +0000



On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, Anita Hales wrote:



> >

> My daughter used encapsulated feverfew for her migraines.  It was best if

> used daily.  However, she became sensitive to it and had to discontinue its

> use.  So perhaps it should be used for a couple weeks and discontinued for a

> week then resumed to prevent this from happening.  If you get migraines at

> certain times, such as just before a monthly cycle then you can begin taking

> the feverfew before you think you will be susceptable.  We found that

> Israeli feverfew was superior.



That's interesting.  I read in a book published here (UK):



"Almost all the feverfew herb tablets sold in North America have little in

the way of active ingredients, less than a tenth of those contained in the

feverfew sold in the United Kingdom.  This is because the wrong variety

was used in the first place for the agricultural stock."



I was sceptical when I read this -- and it still sounds a bit sweeping to

me.  But who knows?  The book is "Ginger: the ultimate home remedy" by

Stephen Fulder, published by Souvenir Press.  (He was just using feverfew

as an example of why you have to be careful what you are buying.)





Ellen Mizzell





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: HOLISTIC LISTSERV

From: Paul & Kathy Sedler <smeherbs@MAKO.COM>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:33:57 -0800



To those interested.  I finally got signed up.  Email listserv@siu.edu.  In

the body of the message put "subscribe HOLISTIC-L then your name.

Kathy McQuade-Sedler

email SMEHerbs@mako.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ornithine

From: Osvaldo Suarez <osf@ECUA.NET.EC>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:14:14 -0500



Good day



I am new in the list. I have sleeping disorders.

I can not sleep continuosly all night long.



I have heard that ORNITHINE  induces a wonderful

sleep in sleeping deprived persons.



What is ORNITHINE ?

Is a natural product or a commercial name ?,

if so, I like to point out that i have no

commercial interest abt it.



I will really appreciate yr ideas and suggestions

abt ORNITHINE, I really need to discover anything

to help me. I really need to sleep all night long !



Tks to all of you. / Regards



Osvaldo Suarez

EcuaNet-Ecuador

Internet: osf@ecua.net.ec





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ornithine

From: "Patricia C. McMullen" <Redgato@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:44:26 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-15 10:30:40 EST, you write:



<< What is ORNITHINE ?

  Is a natural product or a commercial name ?,

  >>

The following is a very simplified explanation of amino acids (and

ornithine):



Ornithine (C5 H13 O2 N2- an organic chemistry formula just doesn't look right

when typed on the computer) is one of the amino acids, but is classified as a

"non-essential" amino acid  because it can be synthesized by the body from

other substances.  [I'll point out now (because someone else on this list

surely will if I don't) that ornithine is not an herb.]



There are 20 amino acids involved in protein biosynthesis and are divided

into two groups- essential and non-essential.  Healthy human adults require

dietary intake of eight of these amino acids to maintain good health:

 phenylalanine, valine, threonine, tryptophan, isoleucine, methonine, lysine,

and leucine.  The remaining twelve- the non-essential amino acids-can be made

by the body from other substances.  Healthy children require, in addition to

the eight amino acids listed above, histidine and arginine.  Situations do

exist in which non-essential amino acids become essential:  for example, a

physically traumatized adult requires arginine for optimal repair processes

to occur.



When biologists talk about amino acids, they usually mean these 20 amino

acids that are necessary for the synthesis of proteins.  Proteins are large

molecules that are crucial to life; they are involved in the formation of

living structure and they catalyze the chemical reactions necessary for the

maintenance of life.



The 20 amino acids that form the building blocks of all proteins are:

 alanine, aspargine, aspartic acid, cysteine, glutamin acid, glutamine,

glycine, histadine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine,

proline, serine, threonine, tryptophan, tyrosine, and valine.  Other amino

acids are found in the body such as taurine and ORNITHINE, but these amino

acids are not involved in the synthesis of protein.



Ornithine is  an amino acid that you are likely to find heavily touted in the

health-food industry.  It is readily available in health food store and

vitamin stores.  It has been shown to be capable of increasing the body's

secretion of growth hormone (though the doses required to do this are very

large and potentially quite risky.  It has been shown to stimulate the thymus

gland of laboratory animals, possibly enhancing immune response in the

process.(Federation Proceedings, Federation of the American Society for

Experimental Biology, 37:264, 1978--an older reference!)  In addition

ornithine has exhibited liver-regenerating effects in animals.  Food rich in

ornithine include meats and dairy products.



The ninth edition of Healthy Healing notes on orhithine:

"Ornithine works with arginine and carnitine to metabolize excess body fat;

with the pituitary gland to promote growth hormone, muscle developemnt,

tissue repair, and endurance.  It is an excellent aid to fat metabolism

through the liver, builds immune strength, and helps scavenge free radicals.

 It detoxifies ammonia and aids healing."



Ornithine is one of the 5 amino acids (aspartic acid, N-acetylglutamic acid,

arginine, ornithine, and citrulline) that are concerned directly with the

cycle by which urea is formed in the body.  It is a very complicated chemical

reaction and I would have to send it as an attached file (which is a NO-NO on

this list) and it really isn't pertinent to the asked question, anyway!



I have looked in several of the reference books that I have, and have not

found any reference to ornithine being effective as a sleep aid.  Melatonin

may be what you are looking for.  Maybe someone else on this list has more

info on ornithine and some more recent research than what is accessible to me

at the moment.



Sorry you had to wait so long for a response.  I though maybe someone else on

the list had some really current information concerning ornithine so I didn't

respond to your question earlier.



Pat





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ornithine

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:06:00 -0800



>I have looked in several of the reference books that I have, and have not

>found any reference to ornithine being effective as a sleep aid.  Melatonin

>may be what you are looking for.



I didn't respond because it isn't an herb question, but since you did, the

fact is that ornithine is NOT a sleep aid, but was used for quite a while

with arginine AT NIGHT to help 'burn fat.' Entrepreneurs sold it with the

idea that you could burn fat while you slept, which is of course

ridiculous. And as a matter of fact, this regime ended up interfering with

sleep, since you can't expect to increase metabolism and yet decrease heart

rate etc. as needed for sound sleep.



More 'propeller-heads' this world does not need.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: hyatal? hernia

From: Amil Osodrac <selo@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:28:07 EST



Hello



Does anybody know all the symptoms for the hyatal? hernia?



                                TIA



                                        Amil





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: hyatal? hernia

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:07:33 EST



hiatel hernia symptoms could be indigestion with onions/spicy foods.

Can't remember what else.  My sister used to have one.

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 12 Nov 1996 to 13 Nov 1996

From: rob <rys@UCLA.EDU>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:45:55 -0800



At 01:23 AM 11/14/96 +0200, you wrote:

>Date:    Mon, 11 Nov 1996 19:25:17 +0000

>From:    Carolyn Hunnicutt <cth@BELLSOUTH.NET>

>Subject: Re: Echinacea

>

>rob wrote:

>>

>> Jill-

>>         Having used _Echinacea spp._ for 15+ yrs., I feel that I have begun

>> to understand its various actions. It has been my non-specific infection

>> fighter of choice for quite a while, but it does need to be employed in the



<snip>



>Rob-I have lupus and can't seem to get an answer on whether it is ok to

>take immune boosting herbs while suffering from an autoimmune

>disease.Any thoughts?Thanks-Carolyn-cth@bellsouth.net



Carolyn-

        Two thoughts here:

1) Since the pathogenesis/etiology of lupus (I'm assuming that you are

referring to systemic lupus (SLE)) is poorly understood, it would be wise to

consult with an herbalist well-versed in treating diseases of autoimmunity

before embarking on any herbal regimen. Close watch would have to be kept to

ensure that the herb (e.g. _Echinacea_) was not exacerbating the condition.

2) Lifestyle changes and therapies aimed at the whole person (e.g.

constitutional homeopathy) would be advisable, but again only under the

supervision of a competant herbalist/homeopathist with EXPERIENCE in this

area. Also, if you are under the care of an MD, whatever therapies are being

persued on that front need to be evaluated with regards to other courses you

might persue.



As an afterthought, the question of WHY you feel the need to take

immune-boosting herbs needs to be addressed (do you have a 'cold' etc.). As

an example that applies to many herbs, the action(s) of _Echinacea_ spp.

have only been partially teased out of the incredibley complex phytochemical

soup, so use with caution wehn there are mitigating circumstances.



Maybe some of the more experienced folks on the list (in no particular order

<g>) Howie, Michael, Paul, Jonathan could shed some light or give further

advice on the topic?



Hope this helps some....



rob





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: re peppermint

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:21:42 PST



Peppermint is safe for use during pregnancy. However, it IS a

stimulant and large quantities daily may cause a sleep problem.  Also

strong doses can irritate the mucous membranes, so it is safer to

stick to standard tea strength decoctions.  Never use undiluted

peppermint oil.

        Peppermint can also decrease milk flow so it may be wise to

stop using it a few weeks before your due date and not resume use

until your nursing pattern has been firmly established.  This will

allow you to see if it effects your milk flow.  Many mothers are not

bothered by this - especially if they "need" peppermint to achieve

balance.  Most can consume several cups of standard strength tea a day

without side effects.  Avoid strong brews or long term consumption

with out taking a break.  Peppermint is useful when you stop nursing.

                                        KB

-------------------------------------

E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 11/14/96

Time: 10:21:42 PM



This message was sent by Chameleon

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: FW: re hiatal hernia

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:54:42 PST



--- On Thu, 14 Nov 96 22:31:05 PST  kbensin@mail.state.tn.us wrote:

        Symptoms are recrrent heartburn and regurgitation of sor or

bitter tasting stuff in your throat - especially when lying down.  If

relief comes from using two pillows at night, you can be petty sure it



is a hiatal hernia.

        They are pretty common - half the people over 50 have one.  It



They are believed to be caused by a weakening of the anchoring tissues



of the gastroesophageal junction to the diaphram.  Obesity, pregnancy

where the baby rides high in the mother's body, or trama such as auto

accident or getting punched in the abdomen in a bar fight can cause

the weakening.  It also weakens "with age" so using anti-oxidents may

help prevent one, but not help one that already exists.

                                        KB

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: FW: headache

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:56:33 PST



--- On Thu, 14 Nov 96 21:29:52 PST  kbensin@mail.state.tn.us wrote:

Sinus and Migraine are two different things!

        Migraines are caused by different things in different people

but if the pattern is linked to your menstrual cycle, they are most

likely triggered by hormone fluxuations. Balancing your system with

herbs and diet will reduce or eliminate your migraines. Herbs used

effectively to balance the hormonal system include black cohosh, wild

yam and vitex (chasteberry). Feverfew really does help some people

dramaticaly.  Also helpful is a diet with little or no meat (red or

otherwise) and plenty of pure water. This helps fibroids and PMS also.

        Sinus is a chronis condition which starts as an acute

infection which dwells thereafter in the sinus cavities.  You don't

cure so much as manage it. The pressure and pain flare up whenever

your immune system drops a bit.

        I too, can predict the weather.  I suffered from sinus for

many years and when I moved from Ohio to Tennessee they became worse.



I feel the high humidity and up and down weather, and stress caused

the increase in flare-ups.  Low pressure fronts seemed to trigger

pain.  Once the rain/storm actually started I got relief.  Not eating

right or not getting enough sleep as well as the start of my cycle

triggered flare-ups. When my two boys were small I often went days on

4 hours of sleep a night and would "pay" with a headache that lasted

sometimes for 3 days.  Conventional medicine treated them with tylenol



and sudafed which lowered the pain to a dull ache but never really

went away.  Dr.s also suggested courses of anti-biotics but admitted

they wouldn't stop reocurances, and surgery - both of which I knew to

avoid.

        I finally found a combination of this which has left me almost

pain free.

(1) No milk products.  All my life I was a milk drinker, especially

the good stuff straight from the cow.  I had read many articles

stating milk wasn't good for adults but waited until I was desperate

for relief to try the Rodale cure. No milk products of any kind for

six months. No milk, butter, sour crean, ice cream, yoghert,

margarine, or cheese - not even spaghetti cheese.  Be careful of

"hidden" milk like whey as an ingredient.  The reintroduce them til

symptoms show up to find your personal tolerance level. I couldn't

face life without cheese and found that if I eat milk products no more

than 3 times a week I stay symptom free, 4 times and I have pressure,

more and I have pain. I'm not allergic. Milk promotes mucous

production and - I believe makes the mucous thicker.  Sinus suffers

are extremely sensitive to any increase in mucous.

(2) Get sufficient rest. Every ones needs are different for me it's at

least six hours of sleep a night every night.  No more burning the

candle at both ends!

(3) Eat right. No more skipping breckfast or grabbing a taco on the

run.  I regularly work more than 40 hours a week but try to keep it

under 50. Eating regularly, low fat with plenty of veggies and complex

carbohydrates keeps my immune system in top shape.

(4)Drink plenty of fluids.  At least 3 16oz. cups of pure water as

well as teas, etc.daily. This keeps the mucous runny.  If I feel

pressure building I increase the amount of fliuds I drink daily adding

 peppermint or eucalyptus teas with some mullien added to thim the

mucous.  If the swolen sinuses are the ones below my eyes, massaging

my face from just under my eyes to the towards the nose gets things

moving. This keeps the ainus passages from getting plugged up (That's

when the pain begins). This usually stops the pressure from becoming

pain.

(5) Wear a hat which covers my ears during cold, wet weather.

(6) Keep your hormones balanced with vitex and the other herbs.

         No one thing seems to be enough - it takes a combination of

all of the above to keep me pain free.  It has been eight years since

I took the "milk cure" and I usually suffer pain only two or three

times a year.  This occurs only when I cheat on my diet or work too

much AND a storm is coming.

        Sorry to be so long winded - Hope some of this helps you.  KB



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: vinegar

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:08:37 PST



        Vinegar can not prevent infections of a viral nature but it

does lessen symptoms and can lessen duration of suffering by creating

an acid environment in your mouth and throat. Gargling and then

swallowing vinegar water slows the growth of bacteria.  This gives the

immune system an advantage in the battle of the bugs.

        Viral colds last a week if you treat them and 5 days if you

don't. Treating the symptoms however does reduce the suffering.  Many

colds which drag on and on may have started as viral but became

bacterial.  Mucous is the perfect culture medium.

        Oportunistic bacteria move in on the already busy immune

system and grow.  If formerly clear/whitish mucous becomes greenish or

yellowish you are safe in assuming bacteria has moved in. Gargling

with vinegar water four or five times a day can prevent a simple cold

from becoming a strep throat.  It also helps clear up the sore throat

caused by the drainiage of post nasal drip.

        Thinning mucous with decoctions of peppermint or eucalyptus

with some mullien will help.  Catnip tea helps a cold where you are

too achey to rest well.  Drink it hot with lemon and honey if there is

any fever.

                        KB



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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Feverfew

From: Cathy Tice <TICE@VAXA.CIS.SUNYCGCC.EDU>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:54:28 -0500



Forgive me if you receive this twice, I lost my connection to the

computer, but I found it!!!



So many questions about feverfew (chrysanthemum parthenium.)

Where do I begin?



I work full-time, have two small children, a husband who works 7

am to 7 pm (nurse!), I quilt and garden when the weather will

cooperate, I take care of my golden retriever, one cat, and two

crested guinea pigs.  Needless to say, I don't have time to do a

lot of "stuff!"



I've read sooo much about feverfew and migranes.  Article after

article talks about teas, tinctures, use in salad, infusions,

etc.  I like to "keep it simple", so the SECOND I feel a migrane

coming on, I take a leaf off my plants and chew it. It works all

the time. There are two women where I work who take feverfew capsules

(which is just dried feverfew in a dissolvable capsule).  One women in

particular has been to doctor after doctor, medicine and

medicine, and was at the end of her rope.  Started using feverfew

and (big surprise!) no more headaches!



Cathy Tice

South Cairo, NY

Zone 5





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hawthorne Berry

From: Wendy Harrell <WenHarrell@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:50:20 -0500



Hi all, I'd like to offer my father, who has high blood pressure, Hawthorne

Berry capsules. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with this herb in

lowering blood pressure and if there are any contraindications to it. My

father is 60, overweight, and has borderline high cholesterol. He takes

garlic regularly in capsule form.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hawthorne Berry

From: linda/richard <kyote@WOLFENET.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:01:01 -0800



At 09:50 AM 11/15/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi all, I'd like to offer my father, who has high blood pressure, Hawthorne

>Berry capsules. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with this herb in

>lowering blood pressure and if there are any contraindications to it. My

>father is 60, overweight, and has borderline high cholesterol. He takes

>garlic regularly in capsule form.

>



the only contraindications would be if he's using beta blockers.



richard





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hawthorne Berry

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:43:36 -0900



At 09:50 AM 11/15/96 -0500, Wendy Harrell wrote:

>Hi all, I'd like to offer my father, who has high blood pressure, Hawthorne

>Berry capsules. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with this herb in

>lowering blood pressure and if there are any contraindications to it. My

>father is 60, overweight, and has borderline high cholesterol. He takes

>garlic regularly in capsule form.

>

>

Garlic, parsley and hawthorne can lower blood pressure but he needs to lose

weight for any kind of real, lasting success.  Exercise is not optional

either.  He must exercise daily.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Look Deeper

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:18:36 -0800



At 07:01 PM 11/14/96 -0800, you wrote:

>>Maybe some of the more experienced folks on the list (in no particular order

>><g>) Howie, Michael, Paul, Jonathan could shed some light or give further

>>advice on the topic?

>>



Like paul says, like I have said before, it is too complex a problem for the

internet. You need a full diagnosis from a professional together with

perhaps lifestyle and diet change. The professional will probably not give

you just one magic bullet herb, but a variety of herbs suited specially to

your constitution, and they would moniter your progress and adjust

accordingly. To just grab some Echinacea is a stab in the dark.

Howie Bounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"I hope that's Valerian I smell!"





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hawthorne Berries

From: Celeste <ckubasta@PIONEER.STATE.ND.US>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:35:12 -0800



I'm new and don't know about contraindications but I've been on

medication since I was 16 (almost 40 now) and have bben using the

extract for about a month now and have the best blood pressure ever

(even during a high stress work time that sent by bp to 140/110 last

time).



I'm new to this list and don't know how people introduce themselves here

but I'm a state budget analyst sent by my allopathic dr last yr to get

essential oils for sinus (cuz of my bp) and have been getting hooked on

oils and herbs ever since.  I guess if I need to be obsessed with

something, educating myself on natural remedies is a positive addition.

Unfortunately for me, my dr moved away (too broad minded for other drs

here) so I'm just struggling on my own.  I read something recently about

finding alternative providers on here, does anyone know how I would get

a listing for North Dakota.  Thanks in advance.

Celeste

ckubasta@pioneer.state.nd.us





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: gastric reflux in infant

From: Mickie Erickson <Mickie@DECISIONSYS.COM>

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:12:00 CST



 ----------

From:  Mickie Erickson

Sent:  Wednesday, November 13, 1996 1:10 AM

To:  'herb list'

Subject:  gastric reflux in infant



Hi, my 5wk old son has apnea and has been diagnosed with laryngomalacia

 which they say is caused by gastric reflux.  Supposedly the acid damages

the opening between the esophogus and the tracia and this in turn

interferes with his breathing.  He has been put on zantac, but I was

wondering if there was anything that I could take that would be

transmitted through my milk (he is fully breastfed at this point), I

wouldn't want to be giving such a young baby herbs straight at this

point.



This is apparently a fairly mild case, although they do have him on a

monitor, and will probably correct itself in time, I would just like to

do something to help it along.



Thanks, Mickie (mickie@decisionsys.com)





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: gastric reflux in infant

From: "Tim (TJ) Snider" <Tim_Snider@MINDLINK.BC.CA>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 09:51:51 -0700



>From:  Mickie Erickson

>Sent:  Wednesday, November 13, 1996 1:10 AM

>To:  'herb list'

>Subject:  gastric reflux in infant

>



Hi Mickie,

Sorry to hear about your son. I have had problems with gastric reflux and

at

one time was on Zantac, and it's on this point that I write. I hope that

you have

been informed that since Zantac reduces stomach acid it affects the

digestion

and metabolism of proteins, which require an acid environment to be broken

down and absorbed correctly. This can and did for me, cause some digestive

discomfort as the proteins were not correctly digested.  I don't know how

this will affect your son, as it is my understanding that milk contains

more fats and may be more digestible in an alkaline environment, please

check with your "doctor" Additionally I noticed an increase in mild stomach

infections, since the acid also tends to break down and destroy bacteria

and viruses. I also developed a rash and a "mental fog" after prolonged

use. Again, that was my bodies response and may

be, and hopefully is, totally different from your sons. I suggest that you

get a

copy of the documentation about Zantac and review the side-effects, I was

not

fully informed of the side-effects before taking it. I thankfully no longer

have

need of the drug.



On a more general note I'm quite concerned about the proliferation of

Zantac

and other similar beta blockers, it seems that they've now gotten

non-perscription

status, I've even seen some TV ads for them lately. But I suppose this is

western medicines/societies response, if a system bothers you just shut it

off. Personally

I had much more response by eating more appropriately and smaller meals,

occasionally using  meadowsweet, and taking care not to lay down for two

hours or so after eating.



Best wishes for your sons quick recovery,

TJ



>Hi, my 5wk old son has apnea and has been diagnosed with laryngomalacia

> which they say is caused by gastric reflux.  Supposedly the acid damages

>the opening between the esophogus and the tracia and this in turn

>interferes with his breathing.  He has been put on zantac, but I was

>wondering if there was anything that I could take that would be

>transmitted through my milk (he is fully breastfed at this point), I

>wouldn't want to be giving such a young baby herbs straight at this

>point.

>

>This is apparently a fairly mild case, although they do have him on a

>monitor, and will probably correct itself in time, I would just like to

>do something to help it along.

>

>Thanks, Mickie (mickie@decisionsys.com)

>

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: gastric reflux in infant

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:25:26 -0900



At 02:12 PM 11/15/96 CST, Mickie Erickson wrote:

> ----------

>From:  Mickie Erickson

>Sent:  Wednesday, November 13, 1996 1:10 AM

>To:  'herb list'

>Subject:  gastric reflux in infant

>

>Hi, my 5wk old son has apnea and has been diagnosed with laryngomalacia

> which they say is caused by gastric reflux.  Supposedly the acid damages

>the opening between the esophogus and the tracia and this in turn

>interferes with his breathing.  He has been put on zantac, but I was

>wondering if there was anything that I could take that would be

>transmitted through my milk (he is fully breastfed at this point), I

>wouldn't want to be giving such a young baby herbs straight at this

>point.

>

>This is apparently a fairly mild case, although they do have him on a

>monitor, and will probably correct itself in time, I would just like to

>do something to help it along.

>

>Thanks, Mickie (mickie@decisionsys.com)

>

>

Perhaps some anti-spasmodic herbs like catnip or chamomile and something

demulcent like slippery elm would help soothe his gastric system.  None of

those herbs would be harmful in the least to him and could help.  You can

ingest these or give them to him by dropper.  Chamomile has a broader range

of effects but both are anti-spasmodic. You might even try using a slippery

elm poultice on his stomach.  Just keep it warm for 30 min to an hour on his

tummy.  I can bring some relief and relaxation to his system.  If he can

keep it on all night it would be beneficial and help him sleep.  You could

add chamomile to this poultice.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 15 Nov 1996 to 16 Nov 1996

From: jenni hoffman RN <JenniANGEL@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 18:31:18 -0500



In a message dated 11/16/96 5:06:52 PM, you wrote:



<<>As to the five-year old not wanting to drink peppermint and/or chamomile

tea,

>did you add a good bit of honey. If not, might help.

>>>



be cautious in regard to giving babies honey......there is a particular

bacteria that may be present in honey which may be harmful to infants....



jen hoffman rn





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 15 Nov 1996 to 16 Nov 1996

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 18:39:04 -0800



>In a message dated 11/16/96 5:06:52 PM, you wrote:

>

><<>As to the five-year old not wanting to drink peppermint and/or chamomile

>tea,

>>did you add a good bit of honey. If not, might help.

>>>>

>

>be cautious in regard to giving babies honey......there is a particular

>bacteria that may be present in honey which may be harmful to infants....

>

>jen hoffman rn



A five-year old is not a baby. The risk of botulism spores in honey has

NEVER been validated, and it only refers to infants, who have insufficient

stomach acid to destroy the spores.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 15 Nov 1996 to 16 Nov 1996

From: Leigh Ann Wallace <Jubalation@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:33:08 -0500



When I suggested honey as an additive to children's tea, I'd forgotten that

very young children sometimes do not react well to it. My apologies.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 15 Nov 1996 to 16 Nov 1996

From: Terry King <terryk@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:39:09 EST



This is only in regards to BABIES under 1 year old and unpasturized

honey.  A 5 year old is not a baby.  The bacteria is a species of

botulism which young babies have been thought suseptible to.  Being that

their digestive system and food is very different than more mature

children they may develop the anaerobic gut conditions required by

botulism to grow and produce toxins.



Terry

If you don't reach for what you want, you virtually have no chance of

getting it.

If you always do what you have always done, you'll only get what you

already have.

Harry Browne, Liberatarian for President





On Sat, 16 Nov 1996 18:31:18 -0500 jenni hoffman RN <JenniANGEL@AOL.COM>

writes:

>In a message dated 11/16/96 5:06:52 PM, you wrote:

>

><<>As to the five-year old not wanting to drink peppermint and/or

>chamomile

>tea,

>>did you add a good bit of honey. If not, might help.

>>>>

>

>be cautious in regard to giving babies honey......there is a

>particular

>bacteria that may be present in honey which may be harmful to

>infants....

>

>jen hoffman rn

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: To Paul - Responding to information offered to list

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:13:27 -0800



>What is your basis for saying

>that we have no way of testing for this, or any substance, in healthy people?

>Tests for levels of various body substances (hormones are one significant

>example) on healthy live VOLUNTEERS as well as on cadavers which have been

>donated for medical research all the time!  I know that you know this so why

>such a strong statement on your part?



Hormones are testable because they are found in serum. Intracellular

chemicals are almost impossible to measure. Even chemicals carried in part

by serum can't always be assayed. Calcium levels, for instance, are very

difficult to quantify.



>>>THE

>>EXISTENCE OF A NEED FOR COQ10 IN DISEASE STATES SAYS **NOTHING** ABOUT ITS

>>NEED OTHERWISE.



> I don't recall saying anything about the above.  I believe I mentioned

>its role in maintaining an effective immune system, in which case, a

>deficiency

>would have important implications.  Again, I don't CARE about the CoQ10 issue

>at this point, but the fact that its discussion elicited such a vehement

>response on your part - sorry if I seemed to have struck a nerve here!



Yes, because the proposition that CoQ10 is of value to healthy people

('maintaining an effective immune system', for instance) based on its

utility in disease states is a fallacy. There is NO evidence that

additional, supplemental CoQ10 is anything but a waste in someone with

normal levels.



CoQ10 is only a small part of the energetic processes in the cells. It may

very well be better to focus on enhancing metabolism and immunity through

getting additional exercise than by spending bucks on very expensive

Japanese chemicals. Given its price, CoQ10 is not really a bargain compared

to herbs. Certainly a more closely prescribed herbal formula is worth more

than a CoQ10 shot in the dark.



>>>It apparently is widely used in Japan in

>>>the treatment of heart disease and high blood pressure.  Other research has

>>>revealed that the use of CoQ10 is beneficial in the treatment of allergies,

>>>asthma and respiratory disease.

>>

>>Those are empirical studies, which don't 'reveal' anything...they represent

>>data, which may or may not be relevant, evidentiary, accurate, or

>>meaningful.

>>

> Again, what is your justification for saying that these are *empirical*

>studies?



My argument is with the word 'reveal.' Combined with the word 'beneficial'

these words form a phrase that begs the question entirely. Some people may

find a particular substance useful; many will not. Nothing is revealed by

this. The cloak of chemistry is a sad place for this all to go, as if the

body can or will ever be fully quantitized. Daily we are bombarded with the

hopeful religion of scientism, and I get tired of the propaganda.



>>>I can speak from experience in support of

>>>this claim.  Since I started taking only 1 CoQ10 capsule in the AM, I have

>>>been able to sleep all night without being awakened by my asthma - something

>>>that I hadn't been able to do for more than 20 years!

>>

>>We have no way of knowing if this is placebo or not.

>>

>  My understanding of placebo says that for a substance to have this potent-

> iality, there must be some expectation on the part of the subject that the

> substance WILL have the desired effect.



Placebo effect doesn't have a necessary expectation other than response to

therapy.



>In my case, I had NO such expecta-

> tion as I had begun using the enzyme for a totally unrelated condition and

> as well, nothing that I had read would have led me to hope that I might sleep

> better with its use.



It just seems highly unlikely that the intake of a single dose of CoQ10,

which is like everything else not 100% absorbed in any case, twelve to

twenty hours before an observed effect is the obvious cause of that effect,

given a single case.



>I think it's important to point out here, the implica-

> tions of your statement on the use of ANY medication or HERB.  How do we know

> that the effects we get with herbs aren't just placebo effects?



Because unlike CoQ10, herbs have metabolically active chemistry. A

deficiency of CoQ10 cannot be correlated with herb chemistry, which is an

additive, not supplementative dosing. A sufficiently high dose of rhubarb

WILL move the bowels, no placebo to it.



>How do YOU

> know, Paul, that your patients arent just benefitting from a placebo effect

> from the formulas that you use because they have faith in you and expect to

> get well from following your treatment plans?  (I don't say that this is

> necessarily true - only that how do you really KNOW?  Observation?  What the

> patients tell you? Just what is your criteria?)



A considerably larger sample than just one case.



>  Again.  NOT a flame.  I like you no matter what your opinion may be of me!

>

>  Lisa



I don't hold opinions about PEOPLE. I hold opinions and views about IDEAS.

If you become an idea, let me know so I can attack you personally if

needed.  <g>





Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Sugar harmful?

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:12:18 -0500



<<  sugar/honey is not a problem when used to make herbal brews palatable >>



     I know a woman who bleeds internally (48 hours turnover time) when she

takes in any sugar.  It took years to discover what was bothering her because

of the lag time.  She was previously diagnosed as environmentally sensitive.

 Pear and other fruit juices are sweet....honey is used

therapeutically.....why use sugar, anyway?



     Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL.COM





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Zantac

From: MS MITZI A MICELI <UGFP21A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 03:06:53 +0200



Hi all,



        I just wish to correct the information about Zantac.  It is not a beta

blocker.  Zantac is a H2 histamine blocker.

--

                       Its' not doing the things that we like to do,

Mitzi Miceli           but, liking the things that we have to do,

ugfp21a@prodigy.com    that make life blessed!   unk





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: low body temp and depression

From: "Patricia C. McMullen" <Redgato@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 20:07:26 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-17 19:00:13 EST, you write:



<< but i am STILL wondering about my low body temperature, tendency to be

 depressed (also i used drug and alcohol=abuse -20 yrs. ago), fertility

 problems past.  What ya think about that?

 Linda

  >>



Linda,



These symptoms are indicative of a hypothyroid state (I'm not diagnosing,

just recommending that you have some testing done.  The same symptoms could

mean something else).  Have you had any thyroid tests done?  T3, T4, TSH

(thyroid stimulating hormone), etc.?  Of course, as Paul said, if there is

something wrong with your thyroid, you need to know WHY !  A lot of people

who are hypothyroid are treated with anti-depressants prior to determining

the thyroid problem.  There are several books available at book stores that

discuss thyroid problems in detail.  You might gain some insight by doing

some reading (in all your spare time!).  If you are cold, have dry skin, lose

your hair, have dry & brittle hair, sleep a lot, tired all the time, tend to

gain weight, have below normal body temperature, are depressed, feel any

pressure on your throat when lying down (or wearing a high neck garment like

a turtle neck shirt), have a problem getting pregnant or carrying a child to

term, --then you should have some blood chemistry and thyroid function tests

done.  At least you would know some things to rule out in your quest to feel

better!



Good luck,

Pat



PS  Where is Paul, anyway?  I haven't seen any of his posts for about a week.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: low body temp and depression

From: "Patricia C. McMullen" <Redgato@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:43:42 -0500



Linda,

T3 is triiodothyronine

T4 is thyroxin or tetraiodothyronine

TSH is thyroid stimulating hormone produced by the pituitary



Pat





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: low body temp and depression

From: linda/richard <kyote@WOLFENET.COM>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:50:43 -0800



>



>pays). Yeah, I've been reading about thyroid problems, mainly articles on

>the computer.  I was thinking if it was thyroid, well maybe dessicated

>thyroid from the pig.



btw the nd in seattle who specilizes in treating people with 'environmental

illness' from exposure

to herbicdes, pesticides, industrial chemicals claims that he has never seen

someone seriously exposed who has normal thyroid function.



richard





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Dry Skin

From: "Jonathan D. George" <JGeorge362@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:58:03 -0500



Anyone know an effective herb/vitamin treatment for dry skin?





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry Skin

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:17:21 -0500



For dry skin:



Cod  Liver oil on empty stomach.  Good for mucous membranes, too.





     See ya!       ;  )    Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL.COM



     Non-Force Chiropractic Techniques

     217 Vine St. 1 Front

     Philadelphia, PA 19106-1210

     Phone and Fax  215-922-5447  beeper 215-250-1151





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry Skin

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:47:04 -0500



Jonathan,



Essential Fatty Acids lubricate skin and hair from the inside out--the best

and most lasting way. Flax oil is probably the purest and least

expensive--and has so many other benefits. Usually 1 tbs. per day is enough.

Add it to a breakfast drink or a vinegar/oil dressing. It also blends well

with cottage cheese or yogurt.



Also drink lots of water (wish I would take my own advice on that one) and

externally, the best I have found (because it will take a while before your

EFA's kick in) is Jojoba Oil--it penetrates as opposed to sitting greasily on

top of the skin. Rub your skin with it morning and night.



Sea salt in bath water also helps.



Wishing you wellness,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry Skin

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 23:05:32 -0800



At 12:58 AM 11/18/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Anyone know an effective herb/vitamin treatment for dry skin?

>

>



Firstly, before any herbal or vitamin treatment, try drinking more water.

(and if you drink coffee, drink less).



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"I hope that's Valerian I smell!"





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry Skin

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:29:30 PST



Drinking less coffee to help dry skin is good but add anything with

diuretic properties including parsley, tea (chinese), horsetail, etc.

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Archaic terms

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:35:12 -0900



In reading some obscure literature I have come across some term with which I

am unfamiliar.  One is a disease called King's Evil reported to be cured by

an herb of the same name.  What is the disease and what is the herb referred

to??

Other herbs mentioned that I don't know are: spignut, green briar,

saleratus, unkum or bloodgut, indian turnip, water brier and also mentions a

"female flowers commonly found by the side of ponds, leaf deep green shapen

like the cowslip flowers of a bright yellow" (marsh marigold maybe???).  He

also talks about a condition known as "costiveness"?  So does anyone know???

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archaic terms

From: Jayel <jayel@SLINKNET.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:46:50 -0600



At 10:35 PM 11/17/96 -0900, Anita Hales wrote:



<snip>



>Other herbs mentioned that I don't know are: spignut, green briar,

                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^

There is a common (VERY common) weed in the South that goes by the name

greenbriar... two actually.



common greenbriar - Smilax rotundifolia

greenbriar (aka bullbriar) - S. bona-nox



Knowing the usefulness of common names, there are probably only fourteen or

fifteen other plants (and possibly one or two animals) also known as greenbriar.



Jayel Hoover

jayel@slinknet.com

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|  |  |        people become powerless.

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archaic terms

From: Mary Watts <mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:08:08 -0500



> At 10:35 PM 11/17/96 -0900, Anita Hales wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> >Other herbs mentioned that I don't know are: spignut,



                                                ^^^^^^^^

this could be American Spikenard, sometimes called spignet



mary

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archaic terms

From: Mary Watts <mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:15:10 -0500



Anita Hales writes:

>

> Other herbs mentioned that I don't know are: spignut, green briar,

> saleratus, unkum or bloodgut, indian turnip,

                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^

found it: American Wake Robin, also known as Dragon Root, Wild Turnip, Devil's Ear, Pepper Turnip, Indian Turnip, Jack-in-the-pulpit, Memory Root



I believe this plant is a protected species...I was taught as a child to

never pick them, as they are rare.



mary

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archaic terms

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:54:32 PST



more on Green brier:

        The American indians used it to relieve muscle cramps,

rheumatism and stomach problems.  It contains steroid precursors

similar to wild sarsaparilla which is in the same family.



unkum is probably Oakum, a resin I remember reading about someplace.

I'll write more when it comes back to me.           KB

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archaic terms

From: Ellen Mizzell <ellen@TICTAC.DEMON.CO.UK>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:57:29 +0000



On Sun, 17 Nov 1996, Anita Hales wrote:



> In reading some obscure literature I have come across some term with which I

> am unfamiliar.  One is a disease called King's Evil reported to be cured by

> an herb of the same name.  What is the disease and what is the herb referred

> to??

> Other herbs mentioned that I don't know are: spignut, green briar,

> saleratus, unkum or bloodgut, indian turnip, water brier and also mentions a

> "female flowers commonly found by the side of ponds, leaf deep green shapen

> like the cowslip flowers of a bright yellow" (marsh marigold maybe???).  He

> also talks about a condition known as "costiveness"?  So does anyone know???

> ***********************************************************

> *Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

> *                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

> *Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

> *_________________________________________________________*

> *Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

> ***********************************************************

>



The flowers sound like primroses to me.  Whether they're good for anything

but looking pretty and leading eager flower-picking children to fall into

the water, I don't know.   The King's Evil is scrofula.  Supposedly it

could be cured by touching the King.



Costive is constipated, isn't it?  That's how it was used in my family

when I was growing up.



Does the quote in your signature mean that man should ban sage from his

garden?





Ellen Mizzell





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archaic terms

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:29:42 -0900



>>

>

>The flowers sound like primroses to me.  Whether they're good for anything

>but looking pretty and leading eager flower-picking children to fall into

>the water, I don't know.   The King's Evil is scrofula.  Supposedly it

>could be cured by touching the King.

>

>Costive is constipated, isn't it?  That's how it was used in my family

>when I was growing up.

>

>Does the quote in your signature mean that man should ban sage from his

>garden?

>

>

>Ellen Mizzell

>

>

Thanks for the info.

I believe the quote means to ban it but not in a permanent sense.  If you

pick it all and use it, nobody will be sick.  At least that's my take.  They

talked funny back then.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archaic terms

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:44:56 -0800



>I believe the quote means to ban it but not in a permanent sense.  If you

>pick it all and use it, nobody will be sick.  At least that's my take.  They

>talked funny back then.

>***********************************************************

>*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

>*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?"







'Why of sickness dies man

While he has sage in his garden to banish it?'



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archaic terms

From: Celeste <ckubasta@PIONEER.STATE.ND.US>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:52:18 -0800



Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> >I believe the quote means to ban it but not in a permanent sense.  If you

> >pick it all and use it, nobody will be sick.  At least that's my take.  They

> >talked funny back then.

> >***********************************************************

> >*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

> >*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?"

>

> 'Why of sickness dies man

> While he has sage in his garden to banish it?'

>

> Paul

Does understanding these ancient terms get easier with time?  I'm

reading Tisserand on the Art of Aromatherapy and am struggling with the

"old" quotes.  Oh well, maybe this will start a new hobby for me -

understanding archaic terms --Celeste





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archaic terms

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:18:36 -0800



>> >*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

>> >*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?"

>>

>> 'Why of sickness dies man

>> While he has sage in his garden to banish it?'

>>

>> Paul

>Does understanding these ancient terms get easier with time?  I'm

>reading Tisserand on the Art of Aromatherapy and am struggling with the

>"old" quotes.  Oh well, maybe this will start a new hobby for me -

>understanding archaic terms --Celeste



Old English is a foreign language only vaguely like English. You shouldn't

expect to understand it! Many, many words have changed meaning entirely, an

example of that is 'let' which originally meant 'restrict' (as in a 'let'

ball in tennis, restricted or captured by the net), and now it means

'allow'...the opposite.



One favorite OE expression is 'to dree your own weird.' It means to bear

your burden in life.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archaic terms

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:00:34 -0900



At 09:44 PM 11/20/96 -0800, Paul Iannone wrote:

>>I believe the quote means to ban it but not in a permanent sense.  If you

>>pick it all and use it, nobody will be sick.  At least that's my take.  They

>>talked funny back then.

>>***********************************************************

>>*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

>>*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?"

>

>

>

>'Why of sickness dies man

>While he has sage in his garden to banish it?'

>

>Paul

>

>

Ah! comes the dawn!

***********************************************************

*Angelica spp.:  "A water distilled from the root eases   *

*                all pains and torments coming of cold    *

*                and wind."                               *

*Nicolas Culpeper, 1653                                   *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Archaic terms

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:59:50 +0000



Sages aren't really held in such high esteem in Chinese herbalism. Maybe

you mean having *a* Sage buried in your garden???



Paul - whatever the life force that is existing within the garden - this

phrase could be interpreted either way.   All I know is - the power of the

intellect is very evident and the more I 'touch' (and I have to profess

ignorance on Chinese Herbalism at this point in time, which is the reason I

am here - to learn and thus to heal)  this fascinating subject is expanding

before my eyes!  I may be, how does one say it, "a wee Scots lass" , and

the English word can sound a  trifle 'dull' at times, but the word

'Thankyou' is very sincere.



Penny





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Skullcap

From: Acts Magdalena <acts_mag@PANIX.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 07:59:24 -0500



I have some symptoms that are worrying me, can't sleep, the thought of

food sickens me though I know I have to eat (and do) to stay healthy,

fatigue (obviously) huge swings in emotional states (I am aware of them

and usually able to "ignore" it) memory loss, not on a huge scale, but I

forget things like what stop on the train I get off on, in general I am

healthy and I am a "young" 32- people always think I am younger than my

age and the only reason I mention this is because I was a sort of Late

bloomer so I generally feel "younger" than most women my age.  I am just

wondering if stress can cause these things and also what exactly skullcap

will do for me since everyone I know is recommending it.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skullcap

From: Leigh Ann Wallace <Jubalation@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:07:37 -0500



Stress definitely can cause all of the symptoms you mentioned. I know because

I suffer from all of them! Constantly tired, forgetting everything, crying

easily, you name it, I had it. Life today is nothing but stress, unless you

take steps to alleviate it. I changed jobs, am getting more sleep, more

regular meals. I am still a little tired, I think it will take a while to

catch up on all my lost sleep, but I feel much better, am much more able to

cope with life, and don't forget things as much. If you take steps to reduce

your stress level, I really think it will help. I hope it is possible. Good

luck. (I don't know anything off hand about skullcap. I'll ask and read

around, and tell what I find. Bye. Jubalation.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skullcap

From: "Patricia C. McMullen" <Redgato@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:28:46 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-18 08:03:44 EST, you write:



<<  I am just

 wondering if stress can cause these things and also what exactly skullcap

 will do for me since everyone I know is recommending it. >>





Skull cap is an excellent tonic for the nervous system.  It is good for

treating anxiety, depression, insomnia, and nervous headaches.  Its bittter

taste is also strengthening and stimulating to the digestion.  In former

times, skullcap had a reputation for treating epilepsy and rabies, as one of

its common names implies (mad-dogweed).  Caution:  large doses may cause

dizziness, mental confusion, and erratic pulse rate.



Constituents:  Flavonoid glycosides (scutellonin and scutellanein), volitile

oil, bitter principles, tannin.



Information from "The New Age Herbalist" edited by Richard Mabey



Hope this info helps!

Pat





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skullcap

From: Acts Magdalena <acts_mag@PANIX.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:48:51 -0500



Thank-you for both comments and info.  I would have answered sooner but

today experienced the effects of it's ability to fight insomnia, I didnt

wake up until 5:30.  I wasn't too thilled about that but I did get some

sleep at least, and had some nice very complete beginning to end of the

story dreams.. I certainly wish there were simple answers to all that

stress causes!  Thanks again.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skullcap

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:06:11 -0900



At 07:59 AM 11/18/96 -0500, Acts Magdalena wrote:

>I have some symptoms that are worrying me, can't sleep, the thought of

>food sickens me though I know I have to eat (and do) to stay healthy,

>fatigue (obviously) huge swings in emotional states (I am aware of them

>and usually able to "ignore" it) memory loss, not on a huge scale, but I

>forget things like what stop on the train I get off on, in general I am

>healthy and I am a "young" 32- people always think I am younger than my

>age and the only reason I mention this is because I was a sort of Late

>bloomer so I generally feel "younger" than most women my age.  I am just

>wondering if stress can cause these things and also what exactly skullcap

>will do for me since everyone I know is recommending it.

>

>

Stress is in all our lives all the time.  It's how we deal with it that

determines whether or not stress will damage our health.

   The first thing you need to do is examine your eating habits.  Are you

eating lots of junk food?  Are you drawn to sugar or chocolate?  Are you

using stimulants daily like coffee, tea or soft drinks?  Are you eating

regularly?  Are you sleeping enough?

    I had similar symptoms that went away when I discovered hypoglycemia and

followed  dietary recommendations for that condition.  I would be simple

enough to find out if you would benefit from following the diet.  Just try

it for a while.  If you don't know what a hypoglycemia diet consists of,

there are a number of books available or you could ask a doctor.  The first

thing to do would be to completely eliminate ALL added sugars and sweeteners

and fruit (which is sweet).  Eat more protein and Complex carbohydrates.

Avoiding sugars will tell much.

  Skullcap is a common nervine and relaxant.  You should try to determine

your condition before trying herbs or any medication.  What you need is a

good diagnosis.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skullcap

From: Acts Magdalena <acts_mag@PANIX.COM>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 03:46:33 -0500



Thanks for the info.  My fiance is hypoglycemic, but I cannot eat beans

onions cheese or any dairy so eating is hard for me regardless of diet.  I

actually see food as a huge hinderance but I manage on cereals -oh we are

vegetarian too.  It is not a religious thing I just can't eat meat of any

kind. I cut sugar out of my diet years ago, but in the last 2 weeks I have

had a lot of diet coke just to help me stay awake at work.I wish there

were some sort of healthy supplement I could take in in place of having to

eat so much.  Food itself is depressing to me but I know I need it to

remain healthy.  But that's another matter altogether!  Are there healthy

food replacements?  Or are we basically stuck with having to eat all the

time to get energy?  I know this sounds really stupid but on top of

everything else (work etc) having to stop and eat is part of the stress.

Is there a system of herbal supplements anyone would recommend to use to

get the neccesary nutrients for living without having to ingest food at

every meal?  Oh, skullcap works too well!





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skullcap

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:42:16 PST



Skip the diet cokes - aspertame is evil stuff !

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skullcap

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:19:29 -0900



At 03:46 AM 11/19/96 -0500, Acts Magdalena wrote:

>Thanks for the info.  My fiance is hypoglycemic, but I cannot eat beans

>onions cheese or any dairy so eating is hard for me regardless of diet.  I

>actually see food as a huge hinderance but I manage on cereals -oh we are

>vegetarian too.  It is not a religious thing I just can't eat meat of any

>kind. I cut sugar out of my diet years ago, but in the last 2 weeks I have

>had a lot of diet coke just to help me stay awake at work.I wish there

>were some sort of healthy supplement I could take in in place of having to

>eat so much.  Food itself is depressing to me but I know I need it to

>remain healthy.  But that's another matter altogether!  Are there healthy

>food replacements?  Or are we basically stuck with having to eat all the

>time to get energy?  I know this sounds really stupid but on top of

>everything else (work etc) having to stop and eat is part of the stress.

>Is there a system of herbal supplements anyone would recommend to use to

>get the neccesary nutrients for living without having to ingest food at

>every meal?  Oh, skullcap works too well!

>

>

Why can't you eat meat?  Is it a personal thing or does it cause you

physical distress?  You probably are NOT getting what you need from you

diet.  Kelp can give you trace nutrients.  There is no replacement for real

food.  Your attitude about food is not healthy.  Do you suffer anorexia or

bulemia?  If so, you should seek professional help to overcome your aversion

to food.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skullcap

From: Acts Magdalena <acts_mag@PANIX.COM>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:02:37 -0500



I have always had a "bad digestive" system for lack of a better term, and

that has always made eating unpleasant for me.  My father didnt deal with

it very well and thought I wasnt eating just to be "bad" so yeah there are

some other issues mixed up, but I know what the dangers are with not

eating so I eat anyway. It would be nice not to hate the process so much,

and I would like to give my body what it needs but it's hard.  Meat has

been a personal thing (love those little animals too much ) and the above

mentioned problem. SO I go on not really knowing what to do to make it

better.  I am not a very good pill popper, plus whenever I did take vit

amins the same problems occured.  It's really a problem.  What will kelp

do ,and how good are papaya enzymes for helping with digestion?  Thanks

for the info. Oh also what if anything does Ginko do, I am trying it

hoping the stree-related forgetfulness will be improved by it.  Also I

have heard thet Iron is neccesary for any vitamin to work- is this true?

Thanks





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skullcap

From: Michelle Lewis <JLewis7639@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 15:26:51 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-19 10:05:22 EST, you write:



<< Skip the diet cokes - aspertame is evil stuff ! >>



I understand large quantities over extended periods of time will cause

depression, which could explain some other symptoms mentioned.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skullcap

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 10:29:38 -0900



At 05:02 PM 11/19/96 -0500, Acts Magdalena wrote:

>I have always had a "bad digestive" system for lack of a better term, and

>that has always made eating unpleasant for me.  My father didnt deal with

>it very well and thought I wasnt eating just to be "bad" so yeah there are

>some other issues mixed up, but I know what the dangers are with not

>eating so I eat anyway. It would be nice not to hate the process so much,

>and I would like to give my body what it needs but it's hard.  Meat has

>been a personal thing (love those little animals too much ) and the above

>mentioned problem. SO I go on not really knowing what to do to make it

>better.



I understand your problem with eating meat.  That's understandable.  Perhaps

you could eat fish.  They aren't exactly "cute".  I feel that you really

need some meat type protein in the worst way.  If you can eat eggs, do so.

Fish is really excellent for protein and nutrients.  I never had the problem

you have of thinking animals are cute.  I was raised in a farming area where

animals were considered "livestock" not pets.  We raised rabbits, chickens,

pigs and other animals strictly for food and we ate them.  The whole family

participated in the process so I learned to think about animals in a very

different way.  To me they are tools.  If you already have difficulty eating

any food, I can see how meat might be a problem.  You may not digest it well.



I am not a very good pill popper, plus whenever I did take vit

>amins the same problems occured.  It's really a problem.  What will kelp

>do ,and how good are papaya enzymes for helping with digestion?  Thanks

>for the info. Oh also what if anything does Ginko do, I am trying it

>hoping the stree-related forgetfulness will be improved by it.  Also I

>have heard thet Iron is neccesary for any vitamin to work- is this true?

>Thanks

>

>



Kelp helps your thyroid function with it's iodine content and it has many

trace elements that you may need.  Sprinkling kelp powder on your food is a

painless, maybe even tasty way to ingest it without being a pill popper.

People around here just dry it and chew it up.  They like it.  Papaya can

help with some digestive problems but I don't think it's what you need.  I'd

suggest getting some stomach bitters to stimulate your digestive system.

They are best taken as a liquid rather than in caps. or pills.  Ginko

relaxes and dialates the capillaries in the brain.  It may help your

forgetfulness some but until you improve your depressed digestive tract you

probably won't see much improvement.  Your digestive system provides food

for your brain.  If you aren't digesting properly, your brain will starve

causing all kinds of problems (like forgetfulness).  I'd say you really need

some bitters.  Go to your local Health food store and get some swedish

stomach bitters.  Take a little 30 min. prior to every meal.  THey will

start the flow of bile and digestive juices necessary for digestion as well

as toning your organs.  And yes, they are "bitter".  Taking bitters orally

so you can taste the bitterness is part of the kick start process.

Digestion actually starts in the mouth.  So choke them down.  It doesn't

take much to help.  Follow with a drink of water.  Make sure you are getting

enough water during the day.

***********************************************************

*Sage (Salvia spp.):  "Why of seknesse dyeth man          *

*                      Whill sawge in garden he may ban?" *

*Macer's Herbal, 10th century                             *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skullcap

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:41:11 PST



It's not just depression, but brain tumors,uterine polups, seizures,

chronic fatigue, vision damage, etc.  Go to the below address if you

want more info.

http://www.tiac.net:80/users/mgold/aspertame/asp-act.txt

                and

http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/aspartame/aspertame.html

                                        KB

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Date: 11/20/96

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: FW: headache/more suggestions

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 09:28:37 -0500



    In addition to Kathryn Bensinger's excellent post, whether it's sinus or

migraines....eliminate fabric softener or anything else that is a known

mucous membrane irritant forever....use half the amount of detergent you

usually use and buy "free" stuff.   Read labels and "danger" postings.  If a

product is a mucous membrane irritant, remember that mucus lines almost every

pathway in your body, throat, stomach, intestines, etc.



    Extra mucus forms where there is irritation.....and chemicals irritate.

 Not only does milk itself affect people but whatever the thousands of cows

ate that goes into your milk, too.  So, if you're allergic to a certain grass

and one cow from your dairy's farm eats it, you will have an allergic

reaction.  The reaction causes your tissues to swell, closing off drainage of

sinuses.  The mucus then stagnates and germs take over to infect and inflame

sinus cavities.



     Change your bed pillows;  they collect bugs and dust and become

allergenic.  To test, wrap your pillows in plastic, put them in the attic and

use new ones for a few nights.  See if anything is better.



     Of course, as a chiropractor  I must say that chiropractic usually helps

because relieving pressure on the nervous system stabilizes the flow of blood

and lymph throughout the body.



     See ya!       ;  )    Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL.COM



     Non-Force Chiropractic Techniques

     217 Vine St. 1 Front

     Philadelphia, PA 19106-1210

     Phone and Fax  215-922-5447  beeper 215-250-1151





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: FW: Re: Archaic terms

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 15:35:52 PST



--- On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 12:15:10 -0500  Mary Watts

<mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM> wrote:

Anita Hales writes:

>

> Other herbs mentioned that I don't know are: spignut, green briar,

> saleratus, unkum or bloodgut, indian turnip,

                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^

found it: American Wake Robin, also known as Dragon Root, Wild Turnip,

Devil's Ear, Pepper Turnip, Indian Turnip, Jack-in-the-pulpit, Memory

Root



I believe this plant is a protected species...I was taught as a child

to never pick them.



American Wake Robin as I know it is one of the Trillium sp. and it is

not on the endangered list but it is in need of protection or it will

become endangered. It's habitat is endangered as it grows in deep

moist woodlands and these are shrinking so.   The reason you shouldn't

pick it is it only has one stem - if you pick a stemed flower you've

picked the whole plant.



I have never heard of an herb called "saleratus" but an old time

levening agent from when Tennessee was the "west" was called "sody

saleratus" and sometimes just "saleratus".  I believe it is the same

as baking soda(not baking powder) as it required an acid (usually

buttermilk)to rise. It was the number one biscuit risin' agent and we

eat alot of biscuts here.



Green brier is a Smilax sp.  related to cat brier. It groes here in TN

in hedgerows and woods.  On my place both cat brier and to a lesser

extent green brier grows under the oaks which are so dense no grass

will grow under them.  Early shoots are eaten as a spring green.

                                                                KB







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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: COLON CANCER CURE-what to choose?

From: Ela Wierzchowska <elka@ALPIE.ALPLAST.COM.PL>

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:40:50 -0800



Hello Everybody from the List,





 I am a new member of this discussion room but I have been lurking for several days

and I have liked very much discussions which is held here.

I am a biologist(in special interest in botany) but I am between you because of other

reasons also.

My father is a Duke stage C2 colon cancer patient,he had hemicolectomy in September

and now he is after two courses of standard chemo:5fu+leucovorin*5 days every 4

weeks.

We would like not to stop on allopathic medicine but we try to do complementary approach

also.We live in Poland(Europe) and in our country ESSIAC is doing a career among

cancer patients.We give it to my father together with exctract of Peruvian tree called

Pau d"Arco.First we used Cat's Claw(Uncaria tormentosa) but after my searching

Internet without special results which could support this treatment we stopped.

Recently I have been doing some other WWW searches and my new friends from Colon Cancer

List sent me some info about PSK which is Coriolus versicolor(a japanese mushroom)

extract.The benefit from it was proven in japanese clinical trials on colon cancer

patients even thouhg the number of patients in both arms seems to be rather small

(about 50 patients in each arm)

Searching japanese cancer resources I found an information that a combination of

antinflamatory herbs(Rhei rhizoma,Coptidis rhizoma,Scutallaria radix) called

Kampto has effect on intestinal polyposis in animals.

We have heard and read also about:



-doctor Burzynski trials on urine antineoplastins

-Iscador,

-Hoxsey herbs

-Astragalus(interesting because it is supposed to stop cancer dissemination)

-green tea

-aspirin and other antinflamatory drugs like Piroxican

-garlic

-wheat bran



Uff,there are so many...

My fathers drinks a lot of yoghurt(with wheat bran and different sort of Muesli),red

beet juice(with a lot of garlic),eat fiber-rich foods,etc.I used to give him 400mg

of aspirin each day but now I stopped because his platels level dropped to lower

border-line of the normal range and I don't know if it is due to chemo+aspirin or chemo

only-I would appreciate your opinion about that...

As I have mentioned already he drinks Essiac twice a day but I don't know if this

formula realy helps as I know that there were no clinical trials to deal with it.

I would like to add Kampto or PSK or other herbs to the complementary treatment alone

or jointly with Essiac but I don't know how to choose and combine them in the way

they act sinergistically and don't reverse benefits from the chemo.

I wonder if it is safe to add herbs which are blood purifiers(like indian rhubarb

or sheep sorrel or slippery elm)in days when chemo is given(for these reasons we

do not but we don't know if we are all right).

We look for good blood builders,immune-system booster and antitumor herbs but are unable

to choose them ourselves-we are looking for your advice.

If somebody knows how to prevent going to the toilet too often(it is not a diarrhea

it seems rather that peristaltic is not effective because results of sittings in toilet

are not impressive but a patient feel a must of going there frequently especially

by night) I would be very grateful for advice.

We try different sort of diets without special result.What should he eat besides

yoghurt,fiber,wheat bran,Cruciferae plants etc.

We give him vitamin(especially B) and minerals supplement.What else may we do for

him?

I would appreciate any advice





              Ela Wierzchowska

              elka@alplast.com.pl







From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: COLON CANCER CURE-what to choose?

From: Nina Kuper <AboveView@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 16:07:06 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-19 07:25:53 EST, you write:



<< What should he eat besides

 yoghurt,fiber,wheat bran,Cruciferae plants etc. >>



Ela:



Instead of the Wheat Bran, you may want to substitue Flax in combination with

the yoghurt ( or you can use cottage cheese with flax). That is a cure that

Johanna Budwig developed and has been used with great success. I believe her

dossage was 1/2 cup of cottage cheese or yoghurt with a  table spoon of flax,

4 times a day.



In addition you might want to add 300 mg/day of CO-Q-10 to help rebuild his

immune system.



The third thing you might want to consider is Shark Cartiladge. Preferrably

by Dr. Lane. I believe he suggests 750 mg./ 11 pounds of body weight.



Warm regards,



Nina





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: COLON CANCER CURE-what to choose?

From: "V. Suzanne Drake" <tanager@CRL.COM>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:09:12 -0800



Ela or Nina, what form of Flax are you referring to?  Whole seeds, ground

seeds or oil?  TIA  Suzanne



On Tue, 19 Nov 1996,

>

> Instead of the Wheat Bran, you may want to substitue Flax in combination with

> the yoghurt ( or you can use cottage cheese with flax). That is a cure that

> Johanna Budwig developed and has been used with great success. I believe her

> dossage was 1/2 cup of cottage cheese or yoghurt with a  table spoon of flax,

> 4 times a day.

>

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: COLON CANCER CURE-what to choose?

From: Carlos Becerra Quiroz <esenio@TELNOR.NET>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:31:07 -0800



At 04:07 PM 11/19/96 -0500, you wrote:

>In a message dated 96-11-19 07:25:53 EST, you write:

>

><< What should he eat besides

> yoghurt,fiber,wheat bran,Cruciferae plants etc. >>

>

>Ela:

>

>Instead of the Wheat Bran, you may want to substitue Flax in combination with

>the yoghurt ( or you can use cottage cheese with flax). That is a cure that

>Johanna Budwig developed and has been used with great success. I believe her

>dossage was 1/2 cup of cottage cheese or yoghurt with a  table spoon of flax,

>4 times a day.

>

>In addition you might want to add 300 mg/day of CO-Q-10 to help rebuild his

>immune system.

>

>The third thing you might want to consider is Shark Cartiladge. Preferrably

>by Dr. Lane. I believe he suggests 750 mg./ 11 pounds of body weight.

>

>Warm regards,

>

>Nina

>

>Hello:

Is not an Herb but I insist: Co-Enzime Q10 is something special for eny

form of Cancer.

In the same way: Pycnogenos: Grape seeds extract or Marine Pine Bark

extract. There are in the Web some Pages at respect.

Uncaria Tormentosa is here in Mexico a great Herb against the Cancer

disease. The anecdotary about it is extense. Sure are not a Clinical probe

but...

I Hope hepl you.

I'm sorry, I know my inglish is bad but my intention is good.

Carlos Becerra





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: COLON CANCER CURE-what to choose?

From: Andrea Coleman <acoleman@INTERCONNECT.NET>

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 22:24:43 -0800



Dear Ela,

 I have breast cancer and I take chemo and herbs and vitamins, so let me

tell you what I have learned the last 8 months.





1)  Aspirin is a big no-no. Aspirin can mask an infection and it also

reduces the platelets where a bruise could make him bleed to death.



2)  Essiac tea is great, sheep sorrel and the rhurbarb is in it, keep up

the good work there, it has trully reduced the grow of the cancer when I

first discovered it.



3) Garlic is great, I also take echinaecea to increase the white blood

cells after chemo and Pau D arco to increase red blood cells.



4) To reduce swelling I take Yucca herb and Glucosamine which is not a

herb, but I think its an amino acid, anyway it works.



5)  MY cousin had colon cancer and she takes aloe vera juice to rebuild

the lining of the intestinal wall, I take it too some times when I have

problems with my colon.



6)  I also juice carrots, beet juice, celery, and many other fruits and

vegetables.



If you have any more questions please email me if you like I have tons

of books on cancer and herbs.



I will pray for you  and your father,

Love,

Andrea



















Ela Wierzchowska wrote:

>

> Hello Everybody from the List,

>

>  I am a new member of this discussion room but I have been lurking for several days

> and I have liked very much discussions which is held here.

> I am a biologist(in special interest in botany) but I am between you because of other

> reasons also.

> My father is a Duke stage C2 colon cancer patient,he had hemicolectomy in September

> and now he is after two courses of standard chemo:5fu+leucovorin*5 days every 4

> weeks.

> We would like not to stop on allopathic medicine but we try to do complementary approach

> also.We live in Poland(Europe) and in our country ESSIAC is doing a career among

> cancer patients.We give it to my father together with exctract of Peruvian tree called

> Pau d"Arco.First we used Cat's Claw(Uncaria tormentosa) but after my searching

> Internet without special results which could support this treatment we stopped.

> Recently I have been doing some other WWW searches and my new friends from Colon Cancer

> List sent me some info about PSK which is Coriolus versicolor(a japanese mushroom)

> extract.The benefit from it was proven in japanese clinical trials on colon cancer

> patients even thouhg the number of patients in both arms seems to be rather small

> (about 50 patients in each arm)

> Searching japanese cancer resources I found an information that a combination of

> antinflamatory herbs(Rhei rhizoma,Coptidis rhizoma,Scutallaria radix) called

> Kampto has effect on intestinal polyposis in animals.

> We have heard and read also about:

>

> -doctor Burzynski trials on urine antineoplastins

> -Iscador,

> -Hoxsey herbs

> -Astragalus(interesting because it is supposed to stop cancer dissemination)

> -green tea

> -aspirin and other antinflamatory drugs like Piroxican

> -garlic

> -wheat bran

>

> Uff,there are so many...

> My fathers drinks a lot of yoghurt(with wheat bran and different sort of Muesli),red

> beet juice(with a lot of garlic),eat fiber-rich foods,etc.I used to give him 400mg

> of aspirin each day but now I stopped because his platels level dropped to lower

> border-line of the normal range and I don't know if it is due to chemo+aspirin or chemo

> only-I would appreciate your opinion about that...

> As I have mentioned already he drinks Essiac twice a day but I don't know if this

> formula realy helps as I know that there were no clinical trials to deal with it.

> I would like to add Kampto or PSK or other herbs to the complementary treatment alone

> or jointly with Essiac but I don't know how to choose and combine them in the way

> they act sinergistically and don't reverse benefits from the chemo.

> I wonder if it is safe to add herbs which are blood purifiers(like indian rhubarb

> or sheep sorrel or slippery elm)in days when chemo is given(for these reasons we

> do not but we don't know if we are all right).

> We look for good blood builders,immune-system booster and antitumor herbs but are unable

> to choose them ourselves-we are looking for your advice.

> If somebody knows how to prevent going to the toilet too often(it is not a diarrhea

> it seems rather that peristaltic is not effective because results of sittings in toilet

> are not impressive but a patient feel a must of going there frequently especially

> by night) I would be very grateful for advice.

> We try different sort of diets without special result.What should he eat besides

> yoghurt,fiber,wheat bran,Cruciferae plants etc.

> We give him vitamin(especially B) and minerals supplement.What else may we do for

> him?

> I would appreciate any advice

>

>               Ela Wierzchowska

>               elka@alplast.com.pl





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: COLON CANCER CURE-what to choose?

From: Nina Kuper <AboveView@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:08:12 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-20 01:17:06 EST, you write:



<< Ela or Nina, what form of Flax are you referring to?  Whole seeds, ground

 seeds or oil?  TIA  Suzanne

  >>

Suzanne:



I don'tknow that Johanna Budwig specified whole our ground. But, I prefer the

ground.



Nina





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: COLON CANCER CURE-what to choose?

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:48:51 -0500



To the best of my recollection, the flax oil Dr. Johanna Budwig used in her

cancer cure was the cold pressed oil mixed with quark. I think it is the only

way you will be able to get the concentrated amount you need to have a

positive effect on the cancer. There were some recipes in the book wherein

she used ground flax seed, but I believe it stated that whole flax seed will

not digest--and will pass on through in its whole form.



She took terminally ill cancer patients out of the hospital and put them on

this regimen and, in some cases, cured the patient. Her original book "Flax

Oil As An Aid Against Arthritis, Cancer & Heart Disease" as well as the

followup cookbook are worth reading. Her original works were written in

German.



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: The Fragrant Garden Newsletter

From: Michael Bailes <frgntgar@FASTLINK.COM.AU>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:54:04 +1100



I would be happy to send an electronic copy of The Fragrant Garden Friend's

Newsletter Number 11 to anyone who can handle it. You need Adobe Acrobat;

lots of RAM and a server that can handle 2mg files. It takes about 15

minutes to download. It is best printed on HP premium paper.

(The TGFN Newsletter is available by snail mail at $20 (Aus)PA)





Michael Bailes

The Fragrant Garden

Portsmouth Road

Erina. N.S.W. 2250

Australia.

Int fax 61 43 651979 Phone 043 677322

frgntgar@worldgrp.fastlink.com.au (Michael Bailes)

I complained because I had no PowerMac;

    then I met a man who only had Windows...









From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Fragrant Garden Newsletter

From: Leigh Ann Wallace <Jubalation@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:37:16 -0500



What is this newsletter? Sounds interesting, am wondering if it has

significance for  me. Can you give me a little background info? Thanks much,

Jubalation.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbs / Breast Cancer

From: Osvaldo Suarez <osf@ECUA.NET.EC>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:36:51 -0500



Herb List



I have joint the list because I am interested in knowing more

abot curative effects of Herbs. On the other hand, I want to

help my sister. He has breast cancer.

I will be   very appreciative of any help or suggestion

abt any herb treatment that could help her to fight

against her Cancer.



These are my sister Sylvia's biopsies.  She was treated with chemotherapy.

They removed her breast and recently they also removed her uterus and

ovaries as a preventive measure.  During that operation,they removed

another nodule in the breast that proved to be cancerous and was the

reason for the last biopsy.

In addition to the above treatment, she is using the HANSI method. This is

a method developed by an Argentinian, approved by the FDA and patented in

the US, which strengthens the immune system.  I believe that this is why she

has lasted so long.

Her state of mind is perfect.  She has no other complication other than

knowing that she has cancer.  Her life is normal.

What herbal treatments could help her?

(Below are the biopsy reports)

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

1992

Multicentric infiltrating ductal carcinoma of the breast with tubular type

sectors and multiple sites of intraductal carcinoma in situ.

Nuclear stage: I I

Histological stage: I I I

Mitological index: 9 mitosis every 10 fields





28/10/96

Exam   HP Breast Nodule - October 28, 1996

Nodular lesion of breast and skin

- Semi-differentiated adenocarcinomatous infiltration in adipose

tissue.

- Giant Cell dermic granuloma by foreign body



Tks in advance for any help

Best Regards

Osvaldo Suarez

mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs / Breast Cancer

From: Ela Wierzchowska <elka@ALPIE.ALPLAST.COM.PL>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 23:49:59 -0800



Dear Osvaldo,



 I am sorry to hear about your sister.I am also looking for cure which may save

my father who has colon cancer.

I know about one very effective but also very expensice allopathic drug which is

called taxol(paclitaxel).It is approved in the US and since October-in Poland.

It is a cytostatic extracted from trees of Taxus gender and scientist cannot still

get it in the synthetic way-that's reason for its elevated prise.

You may check it on the "FDA newly approved drugs" on CancerNet or on the Oncolink.I

am attaching you my bookmarks' file-you will find there many sites linked

with cancer.I know that taxol does work because a very good friend of mine is an

gynaecological surgeon and oncodoc and we talked once about it.

I am not sure if your sister should not have radiation or chemo..The problem is almost

all cures for breast cancer are still investigational and there are so many options

but taxol seems realy to be promising.

You may look at the gopher of NCI -you will find them many interesting informations

and even unconventional cures are described there.

The good resource is Steve Dune's Cancerguide -it also has chapter about alternatives

cures.There is an organisation which you may mail at adress:m.evers@algec.rulimburg.nl

You put "Alternative cancer therapies" as a subject and "Electronic version" as a text

of you message.They claim to send this book completely free of charge and they were

trying to send it to me but a file could not pass through.There are Lists dedicated

exclusively to breast.You will find them at www.medinfo.org.

Good luck.Please feel free to mail me directly.I will make some researches about

alternative cures and will mail results to this list

I am trying to get informed about herbs for cancer too and people from the List are

very generous and helpful





          Kind regards

          Ela Wierzchowska

          elka@alplast.co.pl





































Osvaldo Suarez wrote:

>

> Herb List

>

> I have joint the list because I am interested in knowing more

> abot curative effects of Herbs. On the other hand, I want to

> help my sister. He has breast cancer.

> I will be   very appreciative of any help or suggestion

> abt any herb treatment that could help her to fight

> against her Cancer.

>

> These are my sister Sylvia's biopsies.  She was treated with chemotherapy.

> They removed her breast and recently they also removed her uterus and

> ovaries as a preventive measure.  During that operation,they removed

> another nodule in the breast that proved to be cancerous and was the

> reason for the last biopsy.

> In addition to the above treatment, she is using the HANSI method. This is

> a method developed by an Argentinian, approved by the FDA and patented in

> the US, which strengthens the immune system.  I believe that this is why she





















> has lasted so long.

> Her state of mind is perfect.  She has no other complication other than

> knowing that she has cancer.  Her life is normal.

> What herbal treatments could help her?

> (Below are the biopsy reports)

> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> 1992

> Multicentric infiltrating ductal carcinoma of the breast with tubular type

> sectors and multiple sites of intraductal carcinoma in situ.

> Nuclear stage: I I

> Histological stage: I I I

> Mitological index: 9 mitosis every 10 fields

>

> 28/10/96

> Exam   HP Breast Nodule - October 28, 1996

> Nodular lesion of breast and skin

> - Semi-differentiated adenocarcinomatous infiltration in adipose

> tissue.

> - Giant Cell dermic granuloma by foreign body

>

> Tks in advance for any help

























> Best Regards

> Osvaldo Suarez

> mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec



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            ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE: AN OUTLINE FOR PHYSICIANS

                              ^^^ 4/12/94



     The following is an overview of today's "unconventional" systems

of diagnosis and treatment.



     You are certain to encounter several of these systems of thought

as soon as you begin seeing patients.



     Each of these systems is based on the experience of its

practitioners rather than on the usual methods of controlled

research.  Each has presented itself as satisfying a health-care need

where "orthodox" medicine fails.  Each system has many happy patients.



     Each system has also been repeatedly condemned as quackery.



     Which of the systems are health frauds?  Which systems have

merit?  Only you, the practicing physician, after becoming familiar

with alternative health care systems and their patients, can decide!



     I hope you have as much fun doing this as I have!



                                         -- Edward R. Friedlander, M.D.

                                            December, 1983



              *                   *                    *



                               CONTENTS



ALTERNATIVE PRIMARY CARE  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   2

     HOMEOPATHY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   2

     CHIROPRACTIC . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3

     CHIROPRACTIC VARIANTS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4

          Total Lesion Osteopathy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4

          Naprapathy  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4

          Cranial osteopathy  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4

          Dental kinesiology  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4

          Rolfing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4

          Polarity therapy  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5

     NATUROPATHY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5



ALTERNATIVE CANCER THERAPY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6

     GLOVER SERUM . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6

     SANDERS CURE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6

     CARICIN and NEO-CARICIN  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6

     MUCORHICIN . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6

     JAVIRO HEAD SHRINKING COMPOUND . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6

     DIAMOND CARBON COMPOUND  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6

     HETT CANCER SERUM  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6

     KOCH ANTITOXINS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7

     GRAPE CURE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7

     HOXSEY TREATMENT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7

     ISCADOR  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7

     KREBIOZEN  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7

     MILLRUE  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7

     GERSON CURE  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8

     ISSELS CURE  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8

     LAETRILE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8

     ZEN MACROBIOTIC DIET . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10

     SIMONTON MENTAL IMAGERY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  10



ALTERNATIVE PSYCHIATRY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  11

     REICHIAN THERAPY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  11

     PRIMAL THERAPY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  11

     DIANETICS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  12

     EST  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  12

     ORTHOMOLECULAR PSYCHIATRY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  12



ALTERNATIVE SURGERY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  12

     PSYCHIC SURGERY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  12



ALTERNATIVE CARDIOLOGY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  13

     CHELATION THERAPY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  13



ALTERNATIVE RHEUMATOLOGY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  13

     ARTHRITIS CURES  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  13



ALTERNATIVE REHABILITATION MEDICINE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  13

     MOTOR PATTERNING . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  13



ALTERNATIVE OPHTHALMOLOGY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  14

     BATES METHOD . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  14



ALTERNATIVE SYSTEMS OF MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS  . . . . . . . . . . . . .  14

     IRIDOLOGY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  14

     HAIR ANALYSIS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  14

     APPLIED KINESIOLOGY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  14

     GRAPHOLOGY . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  15

     RADIESTHESIA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  15



ALTERNATIVE THERAPEUTICS  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  15

     ACUPUNCTURE  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  15

     REFLEXOLOGY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  16

     FOOD FADDISM AND NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS . . . . . . . . . . .  16

     COLONIC IRRIGATION . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  17

     URINE THERAPY  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  17

     FUN THERAPIES  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  17

          Aroma therapy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  17

          Color therapy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  17

          Dance therapy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  17

          Flower therapy  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  17

          Music therapy . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  17

          Nudist colonies . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  17

     SPIRITUAL HEALING  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  17



REFERENCES  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  18



APPENDIX  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  20

              *                   *                    *

                       ALTERNATIVE PRIMARY CARE



HOMEOPATHY ("similar suffering")



     This is the oldest system of "alternative medicine", and is still

     the most popular in Europe.



     Samuel Christian Hahnemann (1755-1843), a German physician,

     "discovered" homeopathy by experimenting on himself with Peruvian

     bark (chincona), the remedy for malaria.



          The active agents of Peruvian bark are quinine and quinidine,

          optical isomers.  Quinine is of course the anti-malarial

          drug, while quinidine has several different potent effects on

          the heart and other organs.



          In Hahnemann's time, malaria was a major cause of "fever",

          and "fever" was understood as rapid pulse rather than

          elevated temperature.



          Hahnemann discovered that when he took a small dose of

          Peruvian bark, his heart slowed down, but when he took a

          large dose, his heart began to beat very rapidly.



          We now recognize the characteristic cardiotoxicity of

          quinidine in Hahnemann's experiment.  (Students: find out the

          mechanism!)  Hahnemann concluded, however, that low doses of

          any substance would cause an effect opposite to that produced

          by high doses.



     Hahnemann went on to discover that the more times the substance

     was serially diluted, the better the medicine would work.  He

     published his findings in 1810, as Organon of the Art of Healing.



          This work still forms the basis for modern homeopathy,

          although homeopathic practitioners continue to expand their

          knowledge by a distinctive kind of research.



     The homeopathic researcher studies books about toxicology, to

     identify some poison which causes the overall symptom picture

     most like that of the patient.



          Modern homeopaths explain that this is the way to "diagnose"

          and treat the "whole person".



               Thus a patient may be described as a "typical arsenic

               case".  Homeopaths have always denied the validity of

               describing distinct diseases.



               Because diagnosis and treatment are so individualized,

               homeopaths regard conventional research as impossible

               [1].



          A homeopathic physician explains holistic medicine:



               "I am not trained to decide whether a person's

               nasal discharge is caused by a cold, an allergy, or

               a hay-fever.  However, I am trained in homeopathy

               to see their nasal discharge as part of their

               entire adaptation to life" [2].



     The appropriate substance being identified, it is then serially

     diluted many times to produce a "potentised" remedy which contains

     "less than one molecule" [3] of the original substance.



          The medicine works by mysterious, vitalistic means:



               "It is this serial dilution with succussion which

               we believe to be vital in the production of a

               potency, which may not act on a material level at

               all, but by means of some energy source preserved

               in the solvent" [4].



          Homeopaths generally believe that all disease is also caused

          by mysterious, vitalistic processes [5].



     Homeopathy has as its motto Similia Similibus Curentur: "Let Likes

     Be Treated By Likes".



          Homeopathic physicians call regular medicine allopathy, or

          "other suffering".  Later systems of alternative medicine

          chose similar names: "naprapathy", "naturopathy",

          "osteopathy".  Homeopathic manuals are voluminous and

          baffling to non-experts.  Over 2000 substances have been used

          by homeopathic physicians, including:



          alloxan (diabetes)  granite        opium

          arsenic (GI ills)   hemlock        oyster shells

          bee venom           ink            phosphorus

          camphor (chills)    iron filings   poison oak (arthritis)

          charcoal            lead           Spanish fly

          club moss           lye            spider webs

          cobra venom         nightshade     strychnine

          copper sulfate      onions (colds) virgin's tears



          Homeopathic vaccines are being promoted as alternatives to

          childhood immunizations....



     Every controlled study of homeopathic remedies for particular

     diseases has shown little or no advantage over placebo [6].



     A homeopathic physician explains the spiritual life:



          "Homeopathy can attune, correct, and purify the human

          organism so that it functions with efficiency and

          sensitivity.  This is absolutely essential.  But true

          health is much more than this, and comes about when man

          has harmonized the whole of his being with his Creator"

          [7].



              *                    *                    *



CHIROPRACTIC ("done by hand")



     This is the most popular system of "alternative medicine" in the

     United States.



     D.D. Palmer, a "magnetic healer" in Davenport, Iowa, "discovered"

     chiropractic in 1885.  Palmer claimed to have cured a janitor of

     deafness by manipulating his spine.



          Because of its origins, chiropractic often exhibits a

          conservative religious and political emphasis.



     Chiropractors treat disease by manipulating ("adjusting", etc.)

     the vertebral column.  "Manipulation" moves a joint beyond its

     usual range of motion.



          A Federal District Court summarized (1965): "It is

          chiropractic doctrine that most, if not all, human ailments

          result from a slight misalignment or subluxation of

          contiguous vertebrae" [8].



          Regular physicians and anatomists cannot see these

          "misalignments" or "subluxations" at autopsy or on x-rays.

          (Chiropractors of course claim that they can, but have never

          been able to demonstrate them for skeptics.)



          Experiments in which various torques were applied to

          vertebral columns of cadavers have not supported the ideas of

          chiropractors [9].



          In any case, some chiropractors claim that success is a

          result of their meticulous study of anatomy and careful

          training, others that their skill in manipulating is

          spiritual and intuitive.



     Currently there are around 25,000 chiropractors in the US, with

     2000 new graduates per year.  A chiropractor's mean income, after

     expenses, is now around $100,000 per year.



          Three percent of US citizens visit a chiropractor each year.



     Chiropractic is gaining its long-sought recognition as an

     independent profession, not subject to external review by

     physicians.



          An orthopedic surgeon, for example, would probably not be

          able to testify at a malpractice suit against a chiropractor.



          Chiropractic is legal in every state, and is reimbursable

          through Medicare and Medicaid (since 1977).  Chiropractors

          may take x-rays in most states.



          The American Medical Associated dropped its legal battles

          with the Federal Trade Commission and the chiropractors in

          1980, and no longer says that it is unethical for a

          physician to associate with any chiropractor.



     There is currently a wide spectrum of belief and practice among

     U.S. chiropractors.



          "Straight" chiropractors only perform spinal manipulations.



               Some reformer "straights" do not even regard

               chiropractic as an independent science, and these

               chiropractors are likely to limit their practice to

               treating back and neck pain, sciatica, etc.



                    At least one reformer has blasted his colleagues as

                    pseudoscientific dogmatists [10].



               Younger chiropractors are discovering scientific

               medicine, although they usually join their elders in

               opposing all drug therapy.



          "Mixer" chiropractors present their system as primary health

          care.  While "nonalignment" of the vertebrae and pressure on

          the spinal nerves causes most human disease, "mixers" also

          dispense enemas, vitamins, and other "holistic" treatments

          [11].



     How safe and effective is chiropractic manipulation?



          Results of the few studies on chiropractic therapy for back

          pain are mixed.  Patients often cannot distinguish a trained

          chiropractor from a placebo thumper.  Such differences as are

          observed have been attributed to the personality and attitude

          of the therapist [12-15].



          Studies of chiropractic for other problems are even fewer and

          are mostly negative [16-17].



          Manipulation appears fairly safe if the vertebral column is

          sound.  Mishaps have included dislocation of the atlas and

          occlusion of the basilar or vertebral arteries [18-19].



     Leading chiropractors often make claims that seem irresponsible.



          Current chiropractic broadsides include allegations that

          spinal column "subluxations" are usually the result of

          obstetrical intervention during delivery.



          The dean of one chiropractic school says, without evidence,

          that this is the only cause of sudden infant death syndrome

          [20].  If a child dies, it is because the parents didn't take

          him or her to a chiropractor.



     A chiropractor explains wh



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                  PDQ Drug Information for Health Professionals



Paclitaxel



208/02424







** DESCRIPTION **







Generic name:



  Paclitaxel







Short name:



  TAX







Chemical name:



  Benzenepropanoic acid, beta-(benzoylamino)-alpha-hydroxy-, 6,12b-



  bis(acetyloxy)-12-(benzoyloxy)-2a,3,4,4a,5,6,9,10,11,12,12a-,



  12b-dodecahydro- 4,11-dihydroxy-4a,8,13,13-tetramethyl-5-oxo-7,11-



  methano-1H- cyclodeca(3,4)benz(1,2-b)oxet-9-yl ester, (2aR-(2a-alpha,



  4beta,4a-beta,6beta,9alpha(alphaR*,betaS*),11alpha,1-2alpha,12a-alpha,



  12b-alpha)- (9CI)







Synonyms:



  Taxol







NSC number:



  125973







IND number:



  22850







Status:



  Commercially available



  Investigational







Pharmacologic/therapeutic classification(s):



  Mitotic inhibitor







** MECHANISM OF ACTION **







Unlike other antimicrotubule agents, such as colchicine and the Vinca



alkaloids, which induce microtubule disassembly, paclitaxel (Taxol) shifts the



equilibrium toward microtubule assembly and stabilized microtubules.[1-5]



Horwitz and co-workers demonstrated that paclitaxel binds preferentially to



microtubules rather than to tubulin dimers.[6]  Although the binding site for



paclitaxel on microtubules has been shown to be distinct from the binding sites



for exchangeable GTP and for colchicine, podophyllotoxin, and vinblastine,[1-3]



the specific binding site for paclitaxel on microtubules has not been



identified.  Paclitaxel concentrations as low as 0.05 micromoles/liter, which



can be achieved in patients, decrease the lag time and shift the equilibrium



toward microtubule assembly.[5]  Overall, paclitaxel decreases the critical



concentration of tubulin required for microtubule assembly in the presence or



absence of factors that are usually essential for assembly, such as exogenous



GTP and MAPs.[1,7]  Paclitaxel-treated microtubules are stable even after



treatment with calcium or low temperatures, conditions that usually promote



disassembly.[4,5,8]  This unusual stability inhibits the normal dynamic



reorganization of the microtubule network.  Paclitaxel concentrations of 0.1-10



micromoles/liter, which can be clinically achieved with prolonged infusions,



produce two distinct morphologic effects on cellular microtubules.  First,



cells form abundant arrays of disorganized microtubules aligned in parallel



bundles.[2,6,9]  Bundles form during all phases of the cell cycle.[9-11]



Additionally, although paclitaxel-treated cells show evidence of entry into



mitosis as manifested by chromosomal condensation and breakdown of the nuclear



membrane, they lack a normal mitotic spindle apparatus.[10,11]  Instead of



forming two mitotic spindle asters enucleated by bipolar centrioles, large



numbers of abnormal asters that do not require centrioles for enucleation are



formed.[9-11]  These distinct morphologic effects suggest that paclitaxel may



adversely affect critical microtubule functions during both interphase and



mitosis; however, the precise reasons for cell death are unclear.







Low concentrations of paclitaxel (10-100 nanomoles/liter) have also been



demonstrated to enhance the cytotoxic effects of ionizing radiation.[12,13]



Radiation enhancement in a relatively radioresistant astrocytoma cell line



(G18) was dependent on the duration of radiation treatment and consequently the



fraction of cells in the G2/M phases of the cell cycle.[13]







References:



  1. Schiff PB, Horwitz SB: Taxol assembles tubulin in the absence of



     exogenous guanosine 5'-triphosphate or microtubule-associated proteins.



     Biochemistry 20(11): 3247-3252, 1981.



  2. Manfredi JJ, Horwitz SB: Taxol: an antimitotic agent with a new mechanism



     of action.  Pharmacology and Therapeutics 25(1): 83-125, 1984.



  3. Kumar N: Taxol-induced polymerization of purified tubulin: mechanism of



     action.  Journal of Biological Chemistry 256(20): 10435-10441, 1981.



  4. Schiff PB, Fant J, Horwitz SB: Promotion of microtubule assembly in vitro



     by taxol.  Nature 277(5698): 665-667, 1979.



  5. Schiff PB, Horwitz SB: Taxol stabilizes microtubules in mouse fibroblast



     cells.  Proceedings of the National Academy of Science 77(3): 1561-1565,



     1980.



  6. Parness J, Horwitz SB: Taxol binds to polymerized tubulin in vitro.



     Journal of Cell Biology 91(2, Part 1): 479-487, 1981.



  7. Hamel E, del Campo AA, Lowe MC, et al.: Interactions of taxol,



     microtubule-associated proteins, and guanine nucleotides in tubulin



     polymerization.  Journal of Biological Chemistry 256(22): 11887-11894,



     1981.



  8. Thompson WC, Wilson L, Purich DL: Taxol induces microtubule assembly at



     low temperature.  Cell Motility 1(4): 445-454, 1981.



  9. Rowinsky EK, Donehower RC, Jones RJ, et al.: Microtubule changes and



     cytotoxicity in leukemic cell lines treated with taxol.  Cancer Research



     48(14): 4093-4100, 1988.



 10. Roberts JR, Rowinsky EK, Donehower RC, et al.: Demonstration of the cell



     cycle positions of taxol-induced "asters" and "bundles" by sequential



     measurements of tubulin immunofluorescence, DNA content, and



     autoradiographic labeling of taxol-sensitive and -resistant cells.



     Journal of Histochemistry and Cytochemistry 37(11): 1659-1665, 1989.



 11. Roberts JR, Allison DC, Donehower RC, et al.: Development of



     polyploidization in taxol-resistant human leukemia cells in vitro.



     Cancer Research 50(3): 710-716, 1990.



 12. Tishler RB, Geard CR, Hall EJ, et al.: Taxol sensitizes human astrocytoma



     cells to radiation.  Cancer Research 52(12): 3495-3497, 1992.



 13. Tishler RB, Schiff PB, Geard CR, et al.: Taxol: a novel radiation



     sensitizer.  International Journal of Radiation Oncology, Biology,



     Physics 22(3): 613-617, 1992.







** PRECLINICAL INFORMATION **







(Preclinical activity does not necessarily predict activity in a given disease



in humans.)







Antitumor Activity:



Paclitaxel (Taxol) was reported to be moderately active against murine L1210,



P388, and P1534 leukemias, Walker 256 carcinosarcoma, sarcoma 180, and Lewis



lung carcinoma, and cytotoxic in the KB cell culture system in 1971,[1] but was



not selected for clinical development by the NCI until the late 1970s.  The



decision to develop paclitaxel was based on new knowledge about its unique



mechanism of action and broad activity in both murine tumors and human



xenografts in the Division of Cancer Treatment (DCT) tumor panel.[2]



Paclitaxel's most impressive activity was against the relatively resistant



murine B16 melanoma.  It also demonstrated good, but not particularly



impressive antitumor activity against several human tumor xenografts in the DCT



screening panel of the late 1970s.  This included good activity against the



MX-1 mammary tumor implanted beneath the renal capsule of athymic mice when



paclitaxel was given subcutaneously (sc), and moderate activity against human



CX-1 colon and LX-1 lung xenografts and intraperitoneally (ip) implanted P388



and L1210 murine leukemias.  It was ineffective against the murine sc-implanted



Lewis lung carcinoma.  Studies of schedule dependency using P388 leukemia



revealed that increased life span (ILS) was maximal when mice were treated



every 3 hours for 24 hours (78% ILS) functionally approximating a continuous



administration schedule as compared with a single daily dose for 9 consecutive



days (44% ILS) or a single dose on day 1 (no ILS).







Paclitaxel also demonstrated good cytotoxic activity against several human



leukemias and solid tumors in early studies performed by several independent



investigators.  For example, Riondel and Jacrot reported that it induced



substantial regression in 4 of 5 human breast carcinoma implants in athymic



mice, and significant growth delays in human endometrial, ovarian, brain,



tongue, and lung tumor xenografts.[3,4]  These investigators also studied the



effects of paclitaxel and a congener with a C-13 substituent variation and



showed that paclitaxel was significantly active against a human ovarian



xenograft in nude mice, while the derivative was inactive.[5]  In contrast, it



was inactive against sc implants of human pancreatic carcinoma.[6]  In later



studies, Rose et al. evaluated the activity of paclitaxel in several murine and



human xenograft models.[7]  Treatment/control values ranged from moderate



(P388:  130%-190%) to excellent (M109 and B16:  >250%).  Against subrenal



capsule xenografts, paclitaxel given iv produced either complete tumor



inhibition (Madison (M) 109 lung, HCT-116 colon, and LX-1 lung) or partial



regressions (A2780 ovarian and A431 vulva).  These investigators also studied



interactions between paclitaxel and other chemotherapy agents using the



sc-implanted M-109 lung carcinoma model.[8]  Schedules using prolonged and



frequent drug administration were superior to bolus and less frequent



administration schedules.  With the exception of the combination of cisplatin



and paclitaxel, which produced a significant delay in tumor growth but not ILS



over paclitaxel alone, combinations of paclitaxel with VP-16, doxorubicin,



cyclophosphamide, methotrexate, pentamethylmelamine, and bleomycin did not



significantly affect antitumor activity or ILS.







Toxicology:



The preclinical toxicology of paclitaxel was evaluated in mice, rats, and



dogs.[2]  In rodents, the ip route of administration was used during



toxicologic and screening studies due to dose-volume constraints imposed by



paclitaxel's limited aqueous solubility and the toxicity of the Cremophor EL



(polyoxyethylated castor oil) and ethanol vehicle formulation.  The toxic



effects were most evident in tissues with rapid cell turnover such as



hematopoietic, lymphatic, gastrointestinal, and reproductive tissues.



Hematopoietic toxicity was observed in all three species.  In dogs,



myelosuppression was cumulative and reversible on both the single and the daily



x 5 dosing schedules.  Effects on nervous, hepatic, cardiovascular, and renal



tissues were minor, with no postmortem evidence of end-organ damage.  The



vehicle in which paclitaxel was formulated has been shown to have inherent



toxicity.[9]  In toxicologic studies, Cremophor EL, given in increasing doses



without paclitaxel as a large-volume single dose, produced vasodilation,



labored breathing, lethargy, hypotension, and death in dogs.  The vehicle was



much better tolerated in the repeated dose regimen and did not have cumulative



toxicity.  Although dogs were previously reported to be extremely sensitive to



the hypotensive effects of the Cremophor EL component of the vehicle, these



results suggested that clinical studies should be approached cautiously.



Cremophor EL has been reported to modulate and overcome mdr resistance.[10]  An



alternate lipid vesicle (liposome) vehicle formulation is being evaluated.[11]







Pharmacokinetics:



Significant hepatic metabolism was found in rats and humans.[12,13]  The



presence of hydroxylated metabolites suggests the involvement of cytochrome



P-450.  Hydroxylated biliary metabolites have also been identified in



humans.[13]







Only 10% of injected paclitaxel and no metabolites were recovered from urine



over a 24-hour period after administration (10 mg/kg via the caudal vein in



this study).  Over 40% of nonradioactive injected paclitaxel was recovered in



the bile of Sprague-Dawley rats (11.5% as paclitaxel and 29% as its



metabolites).  Paclitaxel appeared in the bile within 5 minutes after



injection, reached its maximum rate of elimination after 15 minutes, and was



still detectable in bile 24 hours after injection.







The two major metabolites were as active as paclitaxel in preventing cold



microtubule disassembly, but were 9 and 39 times less cytotoxic when tested in



vitro on L1210 leukemia cells.







References:



  1. Wani MC, Taylor HL, Wall ME, et al.: Plant antitumor agents: VI. the



     isolation and structure of taxol, a novel antileukemic and antitumor



     agent from Taxus brevifolia.  Journal of the American Chemical Society



     93(9): 2325-2327, 1971.



  2. Division of Cancer Treatment, National Cancer Institute:  Clinical



     Brochure: Taxol. July 1991.



  3. Riondel J, Jacrot M, Picot F, et al.: Therapeutic response to taxol of



     six human tumors xenografted into nude mice.  Cancer Chemotherapy and



     Pharmacology 17(2): 137-142, 1986.



  4. Jacrot M, Riondel J, Picot F, et al.: Action du taxol vis-a-vis de



     tumeurs humaines transplantees sur des souris athymiques.  Comptes



     Rendus des Seances de l Academie des Sciences. Serie III, Sciences de la



     Vie 297(13): 597-600, 1983.



  5. Riondel J, Jacrot M, Nissou MF, et al.: Antineoplastic activity of two



     taxol derivatives on an ovarian tumor xenografted into nude mice.



     Anticancer Research 8(3): 387-390, 1988.



  6. Sternberg CN, Sordillo PP, Cheng E, et al.: Evaluation of new anticancer



     agents against human pancreatic carcinomas in nude mice.  American



     Journal of Clinical Oncology 10(3): 219-221, 1987.



  7. Rose WC, Crosswell AR, Casazza AM: Preclinical antitumor evaluation of



     taxol.  Proceedings of the American Association for Cancer Research 33:



     A-3097, 1992.



  8. Rose WC: Taxol-based combination chemotherapy and other in vivo



     preclinical antitumor studies.  Journal of the National Cancer Institute



     Monograph 15: 47-53, 1993.



  9. Lorenz W, Reimann HJ, Schmal A, et al.: Histamine release in dogs by



     Cremophor El and its derivatives: oxethylated oleic acid is the most



     effective constituent.  Agents and Actions 7(1): 63-67, 1977.



 10. Woodcock DM, Jefferson S, Linsenmeyer ME, et al.: Reversal of the



     multidrug resistance phenotype with cremophor EL, a common vehicle for



     water-insoluble vitamins and drugs.  Cancer Research 50(14): 4199-4203,



     1990.



 11. Straubinger RM, Sharma A, Mayhew E: Pharmacology and efficacy of novel



     taxol formulations.  Second National Cancer Institute Workshop on Taxol



     and Taxus September 23-24, 1992.



 12. Monsarrat B, Mariel E, Cros S, et al.: Taxol metabolisom: isolation and



     identification of three major metabolites of taxol in rat bile.  Drug



     Metabolism and Disposition: the Biological Fate of Chemicals 18(6):



     895-901, 1990.



 13. Monsarrat B, Alvinerie P, Wright M, et al.: Hepatic metabolism and



     biliary excretion of taxol in rats and humans.  Journal of the National



     Cancer Institute Monograph 15: 39-46, 1993.







** APPLICATIONS **







Paclitaxel (Taxol) has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration for



use in patients with recurrent ovarian cancer after failure of first-line or



subsequent chemotherapy regimens.  It has also been approved for the treatment



of patients with breast cancer after failure of combination chemotherapy for



metastatic disease or for relapse within 6 months of treatment with adjuvant



chemotherapy.  It has been or is under clinical investigation in the following



areas:







Phase I:



  Breast cancer



  Liver metastases/dysfunction



  Lymphoma



  Ovarian epithelial cancer



  Primary liver cancer



  Primary peritoneal cancer



  Refractory childhood leukemia



  Solid tumors







Phase II:



  Acute myelogenous leukemia



  Breast cancer



  Cervical cancer



  Colon cancer



  Endometrial cancer



  Esophageal cancer



  Germ cell tumors



  Head and neck cancer



  Melanoma



  Non-small cell lung cancer



  Ovarian epithelial cancer



  Prostate cancer



  Renal cell cancer



  Small cell lung cancer



  Soft tissue sarcoma



  Urothelial cancer







Phase III:



  Ovarian epithelial cancer



  Recurrent metastatic breast cancer







Drug combinations under study:



  Carboplatin/Paclitaxel



  Cisplatin/Paclitaxel



  Cyclophosphamide/Paclitaxel



  Doxorubicin/Paclitaxel



  Etoposide/Paclitaxel



  Hexamethylmelamine/Paclitaxel



  Ifosfamide/Paclitaxel



  R-Verapamil/Paclitaxel







  Carboplatin/Cisplatin/Paclitaxel



  Cisplatin/Cyclophosphamide/Paclitaxel







Refer to the PDQ protocol file for ongoing clinical trials using paclitaxel.







References:



  1. Division of Cancer Treatment, National Cancer Institute:  Annual Report



     to the Food and Drug Administration: Taxol. March 1991.







** INTERACTIONS/INTERFERENCES **







Medical contraindications/cautions:



  Cardiac conduction abnormality or arrhythmia



  Neutropenia or thrombocytopenia



  Diarrhea







Drug-drug interactions:



  A Phase I trial examining the effects of sequence of administration of



  paclitaxel (Taxol) and cisplatin showed that the sequence of cisplatin



  before paclitaxel, which has less antitumor activity in vitro,[1] induced



  more profound neutropenia than the alternate sequence.[2]  Pharmacocologic



  studies indicated that this difference was probably due to 21% lower



  paclitaxel clearance rates when cisplatin preceded paclitaxel.[2]







Drug-dietary interactions:



  None known.







Drug-laboratory test interactions:



  None known.







References:



  1. Citardi MJ, Rowinsky EK, Schaefer KL, et al.: Sequence-dependent



     cytotoxicity between cisplatin (C) and the antimicrotubule agents taxol



     (T) and vincristine (V).  Proceedings of the American Association for



     Cancer Research 31: A-2431, 1990.



  2. Rowinsky EK, Gilbert MR, McGuire WP, et al.: Sequences of taxol and



     cisplatin: a phase I and pharmacologic study.  Journal of Clinical



     Oncology 9(9): 1692-1703, 1991.



  3. Division of Cancer Treatment, National Cancer Institute:  Annual Report



     to the Food and Drug Administration: Taxol. March 1991.







** DOSES/SCHEDULES **







Adult:



  24-hour slow infusion.  Studies of the safety and efficacy of



  shorter durations are ongoing.  See the Pharmaceutical Information section



  for specific details in administering paclitaxel (Taxol).







  A dosage of 135 milligrams per square meter as a 24-hour infusion has been



  approved for patients with refractory ovarian cancer.  The efficacy of higher



  doses is under clinical evaluation.







Pediatric:



  Not available.







Dose modifications:



  Dose modifications and/or hematopoietic growth factors should be considered



  for patients with prolonged neutropenia or neutropenia complicated by



  fever/infection, and neurotoxicity.  Dose modifications for cardiotoxicity



  have also been implemented in research protocols.  Initial dose



  modifications should be considered at doses greater than 200 milligrams per



  square meter for patients with preexisting neuropathies, diabetes mellitus,



  and chronic alcoholism.







References:



  1. Division of Cancer Treatment, National Cancer Institute:  Annual Report



     to the Food and Drug Administration: Taxol. March 1991.







** ADVERSE REACTIONS **







Major and/or frequent:



  Hypersensitivity reactions [1]



  Neutropenia [2,3]



  Sensory neuropathy [4-7]



  Asymptomatic bradycardia [8]







The most life-threatening problem during the early clinical development of



paclitaxel (Taxol) was the high incidence of hypersensitivity reactions.[1]



With the use of premedications (corticosteroids and H1 and H2 histamine



antagonists; refer to pharmaceutical information section for specific



administration details), the incidence of major hypersensitivity reactions has



been decreased from that seen in early clinical trials.  Several patients have



been successfully rechallenged with paclitaxel after experiencing major



hypersensitivity reactions.[9]







Neutropenia, the principal toxicity, has been dose-limiting in all schedules



evaluated to date.  On the most extensively studied schedule, 24-hour infusion



given every 3 weeks, the onset of neutropenia occurs by day 8, and absolute



neutrophil count (ANC) nadirs occur on days 8-11, with recovery by days



15-21.[9]  Neutropenia is not cumulative and the ANC nadirs are similar with



repetitive dosing, suggesting that paclitaxel is not irreversibly toxic to



hematopoietic stem cells.  The principle predisposing factor for neutropenia is



the extent of prior myelotoxic therapy.  Another possible predisposing factor



may be the infusion schedule.[3]  A 3-hour schedule was associated with less



neutropenia compared to the 24-hour schedule.







Sensory neuropathy is the most common neurotoxic effect.  It invariably occurs



when the dose approaches 250 milligrams per square meter (24-hour infusion) and



precludes repetitive treatment at doses >/= 250 milligrams per square meter.



The most common symptoms include numbness, tingling, and/or burning pain in the



glove-and-stocking distribution.  The neurotoxicity is typically cumulative,



with symptoms progressing after each treatment at both high and low doses.  The



sensory symptoms are generally tolerable but may be disabling, especially in



patients treated at doses >/= 250 milligrams per square meter alone [4,5] or in



combination with cisplatin [6,7] and at lower doses in those who may be at high



risk for developing neurotoxicity, such as patients with antecedent



neuropathies from previous chemotherapy or medical illnesses (e.g., diabetes



mellitus, alcoholism).  Motor and autonomic effects have also been reported.







The most common cardiac toxicity is a transient asymptomatic bradycardia.[8]



Isolated asymptomatic bradycardia without hemodynamic manifestations or



nonprogressive atrioventricular conduction abnormalities do not appear to be



indications for discontinuing paclitaxel.







Minor and/or infrequent:



  Alopecia [1,10]



  Atrioventricular and bundle branch block [11,12]



  Diarrhea



  Local reactions with extravasations without ulceration [8]



  Mucositis [13-15]



  Myocardial infarction [11,12]



  Nausea and vomiting



  Other neuromuscular toxicities (myalgias, myopathy) [5-8,13-19]



  Stomatitis



  Ventricular tachycardia [11,12]



  Seizures [8,17]







References:



  1. Weiss RB, Donehower RC, Wiernik PH, et al.: Hypersensitivity reactions



     from taxol.  Journal of Clinical Oncology 8(7): 1263-1268, 1990.



  2. Rowinsky EK, Cazenave LA, Donehower RC: Taxol: a novel investigational



     antimicrotubule agent.  Journal of the National Cancer Institute 82(15):



     1247-1259, 1990.



  3. Eisenhauer E, ten Bokkel-Huinink W, Swenerton K, et al.: Toxicity of



     taxol: a European-Canadian trial of high vs low dose and short vs long



     infusion in ovarian cancer coordinated by the NCI Canada Clinical Trials



     Group (NCIC CTG).  Second National Cancer Institute Workshop on Taxol



     and Taxus September 23-24, 1992.



  4. Wiernik PH, Schwartz EL, Strauman JJ, et al.: Phase I clinical and



     pharmacokinetic study of taxol.  Cancer Research 47(9): 2486-2493, 1987.



  5. Wiernik PH, Schwartz EL, Einzig A, et al.: Phase I trial of taxol given



     as a 24-hour infusion every 21 days: responses observed in metastatic



     melanoma.  Journal of Clinical Oncology 5(8): 1232-1239, 1987.



  6. Chaudry V, Rowinsky EK, Sartorius SE, et al.: Peripheral neuropathy from



     taxol and cisplatin combination chemotherapy: clinical and



     electrophysiological studies.  Annals of Neurology 35(3): 304-311, 1994.



  7. Forastiere AA, Rowinsky E, Chaudry V, et al.: Phase I trial of taxol (T)



     and cisplatin (C) + G-CSF in solid tumors.  Proceedings of the American



     Society of Clinical Oncology 11: A-289, 117, 1992.



  8. McGuire WP, Rowinsky EK, Rosenshein NB, et al.: Taxol: a unique



     antineoplastic agent with significant activity in advanced ovarian



     epithelial neoplasms.  Annals of Internal Medicine 111(4): 273-279,



     1989.



  9. Peereboom DM, Donehower RC, Eisenhauer EA, et al.: Successful



     re-treatment with taxol after major hypersensitivity reactions.  Journal



     of Clinical Oncology 11(5): 885-890, 1993.



 10. Legha SS, Ring S, Papadopoulos N, et al.: A phase II trial of taxol in



     metastatic melanoma.  Cancer 65(11): 2478-2481, 1990.



 11. Rowinsky EK, Gilbert MR, McGuire WP, et al.: Sequences of taxol and



     cisplatin: a phase I and pharmacologic study.  Journal of Clinical



     Oncology 9(9): 1692-1703, 1991.



 12. Rowinsky EK, McGuire WP, Guarnieri T, et al.: Cardiac disturbances during



     the administration of taxol.  Journal of Clinical Oncology 9(9):



     1704-1712, 1991.



 13. Rowinsky EK, Burke PJ, Karp JE, et al.: Phase I and pharmacodynamic study



     of taxol in refractory acute leukemias.  Cancer Research 49(16):



     4640-4647, 1989.



 14. Wilson WH, Kang YK, Bryant G, et al.: Phase I/II study of 96 hour



     infusional taxol in refractory lymphomas and breast cancer.  Second



     National Cancer Institute Workshop on Taxol and Taxus September 23-24,



     1992.



 15. Holmes FA, Frye D, Valero V, et al.: Phase I study of taxol (T) and



     doxorubicin (D) with G-CSF in patients (PTS) without prior chemotherapy



     (CT) for metastatic breast cancer (MBC).  Proceedings of the American



     Society of Clinical Oncology 11: A-66, 60, 1992.



 16. Donehower RC, Rowinsky EK, Grochow LB, et al.: Phase I trial of taxol in



     patients with advanced cancer.  Cancer Treatment Reports 71(12):



     1171-1177, 1987.



 17. Brown T, Havlin K, Weiss G, et al.: A phase I trial of taxol given by a



     6-hour intravenous infusion.  Journal of Clinical Oncology 9(7):



     1261-1267, 1991.



 18. Holmes FA, Walters RS, Theriault RL, et al.: Phase II trial of taxol, an



     active drug in the treatment of metastatic breast cancer.  Journal of



     the National Cancer Institute 83(24): 1797-1805, 1991.



 19. Sarosy G, Kohn E, Stone DA, et al.: Phase I study of taxol and



     granulocyte colony-stimulating factor in patients with refractory



     ovarian cancer.  Journal of Clinical Oncology 10(7): 1165-1170, 1992.







** PHARMACOKINETICS **







Absorption:



Intravenous.







Distribution:



Widely variable.







Metabolism:



Paclitaxel (Taxol) elimination appears to be bi-exponential with a terminal



half-life (t1/2 beta) of 1.5-8.4 hours.







24-hour infusion at doses of 200-275 milligrams per square meter:



  T1/2 beta = 3.3 hours



  Peak plasma levels = 0.54-1.27 micromoles/liter



  Volume of distribution = 182 liters per square meter







Excretion:



The principal mechanism of systemic clearance is not known.  Urinary excretion



is insignificant (5%-10%), but larger amounts of paclitaxel are found in bile.



Biliary disposition of paclitaxel and its metabolites account for 20% and 40%



of total drug administered in humans and rats, respectively.[1]







References:



  1. Sarosy G, Kohn E, Stone DA, et al.: Phase I study of taxol and



     granulocyte colony-stimulating factor in patients with refractory



     ovarian cancer.  Journal of Clinical Oncology 10(7): 1165-1170, 1992.



  2. Waugh WN, Trissel LA, Stella VJ: Stability, compatibility, and



     plasticizer extraction of taxol (NSC-125973) injection diluted in



     infusion solutions and stored in various containers.  American Journal



     of Hospital Pharmacy 48(7): 1520-1524, 1991.



  3. Wiernik PH, Schwartz EL, Einzig A, et al.: Phase I trial of taxol given



     as a 24-hour infusion every 21 days: responses observed in metastatic



     melanoma.  Journal of Clinical Oncology 5(8): 1232-1239, 1987.



  4. Division of Cancer Treatment, National Cancer Institute:  Annual Report



     to the Food and Drug Administration: Taxol. March 1991.







** PHARMACEUTICAL INFORMATION **







Manufacturer:



  Bristol-Myers-Squibb







Supplier:



  Investigational use:  Division of Cancer Treatment, National Cancer



  Institute.







  Commerical use:  Bristol-Myers-Squibb











Formulation:



  Supplied as a concentrated solution 6 mg/mL, in 5 mL vials (30 mg/vial) in a



  vehicle of polyoxyethylated castor oil (Cremophor EL) 50% and dehydrated



  alcohol, USP 50% vehicle.  Vials must be diluted prior to use.







Storage/shelf-life:



  The intact vials should be refrigerated (2-8 C) and protected from light.







Solution Preparation:



  Vial preparation - Supplied in solution.







  Final infusion preparation - Concentrations of 0.3 to 1.2 mg/mL may be



  obtained by diluting an appropriate amount of concentrated paclitaxel



  solution with either dextrose 5% in water (D5W), 0.9% sodium chloride (NS),



  or dextrose 5% in water/0.9% sodium chloride (D5 NS) in glass or polyolefin



  c containers. Each bottle or bag should be prepared as close to the time of



  administration as possible.







Stability:



  Constituted vial - Shelf-life stability studies are ongoing.







  Final infusion preparation - Solutions in the concentrations described above



  are physically and chemically stable for at least 27 hours at ambient room



  temperature (20-23 C).[1,2]  All solutions of paclitaxel exhibit a slight



  haziness directly proportional to the concentration of drug and time elapsed



  after preparation.







Compatibilities:



  Until compatibility studies are completed, nothing else should be infused



  through the line that is being used to administer paclitaxel.







Physical incompatibilities:



  Use of polyvinyl chloride (PVC) bags and intravenous sets should be avoided



  due to leaching of the diethylhexylphthalate (DEHP) plasticizer by the



  Cremophor EL vehicle.







Administration information:



  Route of administration - intravenous as a 24 or 3 hr infusion.







  Formation of a small number of fibers in the solution, within acceptable



  limits established by the USP Particulate Matter Test for LVPs, has been



  observed after preparation of paclitaxel infusion solutions.  Therefore,



  in-line filtration is necessary and can be accomplished by incorporating a



  hydrophilic, microporous 0.22 micron filter (IVEX-2, IVEX-HP, or equivalent)



  into the fluid pathway.  While particulate matter formation does not



  indicate loss of drug potency, solutions exhibiting excessive particulates



  should not be used.  Only intravenous tubing sets that incorporate a totally



  non-plasticized fluid pathway (e.g. most nitroglycerine sets or equivalent)



  should be used for administration.  Although the IVEX brand filters contain



  an integral extension tubing composed of plasticized PVC tubing, studies



  have demonstrated that the amount of DEHP leached over the recommended



  maximum 24-hour filter use time is acceptable.  Central venous access



  devices constructed from silastic (silicone) tubing are acceptable for



  administration.







Allergic reaction precautions:



  In order to minimize allergic reactions, all patients should be premedicated



  with both corticosteroids and H1 and H2 blockers.  A suggested regimen would



  be dexamethasone 20 mg po 12 and 6 hours before, plus cimetidine 300 mg iv



  and diphenhydramine 50 mg iv 30 minutes before administration.







Special handling instructions:



  Procedures consistent with safe handling for cytotoxic substances should be



  used when preparing and administering paclitaxel.







References:



  1. Taxol: NSC-125973.  In: National Cancer Institute: 1994 NCI



     Investigational Drugs: Pharmaceutical Data. NIH Publication No. 94-2141,



     1994, pp 131-133.



  2. Waugh WN, Trissel LA, Stella VJ: Stability, compatibility, and



     plasticizer extraction of taxol (NSC-125973) injection diluted in



     infusion solutions and stored in various containers.  American Journal



     of Hospital Pharmacy 48(7): 1520-1524, 1991.











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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: chemical sensitivities

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 20:18:28 +0000



This is a subject that I have been trying for years to get some feedback

on, and some understanding.  My dad used to spray DDT in great quantities

on our home-grown vegetables (and I thought he was organic!!), when I was a

kid.  I had all the thyroid tests after a miscarriage - with a negative

result.  Worked for a while as a matron in a boarding school where the

cleaners used a wide range of bleach and detergents which left that

'hospital' smell pervading the stone corridors.   Since then, and with

absolutely no history of allergies, have developed an increasing

sensitivity to a whole variety of compounds.  So - have been advised to use

Aloe Vera (for a year now) - Forever Living Products sell over here.  I

grow my own herbs and aloes, and pepper my organic vegetables with a

variety of all the well known herbs.  The interesting thing is that  since

my house is completely environmentally-free of chemicals, my sense of smell

has inceased ten-fold when walking into a supermarket, say, which is

frequently being washed down by over-strength bleach!



I am aware the spider plant cleanses the atmosphere of pollutants, but is

there any herb one can grow indoors that offers the same result?



Bye for now

Penny



PS:  Have tried a couple of the suggested lists to join for the Holistic

list, but have had them returned as failed.  Have now just sent Randy's

suggestion.  Will confirm if this is successful - thanks Randy.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chemical sensitivities

From: Paul & Kathy Sedler <smeherbs@MAKO.COM>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:11:12 -0800



Penny,

I found an article in The Natural Way magazine (Feb/Mar '95) which lists the

following plants as being excellent for cleansing pollutants from the air;

Boston Fern, Gerbera Daisy,  Dwarf Date Palm, Bamboo Palm, Janet Craig,

English Ivy, Weeping Fig, Peace Lily, Areca Palm and Corn Plant.  They do

not list latin names.



Kathy



At 08:18 PM 11/20/96 +0000, you wrote:

>This is a subject that I have been trying for years to get some feedback

>on, and some understanding.  My dad used to spray DDT in great quantities

>on our home-grown vegetables (and I thought he was organic!!), when I was a

>kid.  I had all the thyroid tests after a miscarriage - with a negative

>result.  Worked for a while as a matron in a boarding school where the

>cleaners used a wide range of bleach and detergents which left that

>'hospital' smell pervading the stone corridors.   Since then, and with

>absolutely no history of allergies, have developed an increasing

>sensitivity to a whole variety of compounds.  So - have been advised to use

>Aloe Vera (for a year now) - Forever Living Products sell over here.  I

>grow my own herbs and aloes, and pepper my organic vegetables with a

>variety of all the well known herbs.  The interesting thing is that  since

>my house is completely environmentally-free of chemicals, my sense of smell

>has inceased ten-fold when walking into a supermarket, say, which is

>frequently being washed down by over-strength bleach!

>

>I am aware the spider plant cleanses the atmosphere of pollutants, but is

>there any herb one can grow indoors that offers the same result?

>

>Bye for now

>Penny

>

>PS:  Have tried a couple of the suggested lists to join for the Holistic

>list, but have had them returned as failed.  Have now just sent Randy's

>suggestion.  Will confirm if this is successful - thanks Randy.

>

Kathy McQuade-Sedler

email SMEHerbs@mako.com or SMEHerbs@aol.com

Sedler's Mother Earth Herbs - 5272-A West Gold Ct.,

Beale AFB, CA  95903 - 916-788-0138

FAX 916-788-0849 (not dedicated line)



Honor yourself, so that you may honor others in

greater measure.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chemical sensitivities

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:46:28 -0800



>The interesting thing is that  since

>my house is completely environmentally-free of chemicals, my sense of smell

>has inceased ten-fold when walking into a supermarket, say, which is

>frequently being washed down by over-strength bleach!



Did you use to smoke?



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: chemical sensitivities

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:59:57 +0000



Thankyou to all those lovely people out there for your guidance - just to

say it's such a good feeling to be in contact with people who know what

you're talking about.



Paul - yes, I tried to smoke at 18 years, but got such dreadful headaches

that I gave up.  Then went to India in 1985 (when 36) and travelled with a

friend who constantly smoked 'beadies' - funny little cigarettes.  My Dad

smoked a pipe in the house when I grew up.  The offices I worked in were

always fogged with tobacco smoke.  (This is early years).  The only place I

have experienced that is free of pollution are the Scottish Highlands - the

air is virtually pure there.



Best Wishes

Penny





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chemical sensitivities

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:56:00 -0800



>Thankyou to all those lovely people out there for your guidance - just to

>say it's such a good feeling to be in contact with people who know what

>you're talking about.

>

>Paul - yes, I tried to smoke at 18 years, but got such dreadful headaches

>that I gave up.  Then went to India in 1985 (when 36) and travelled with a

>friend who constantly smoked 'beadies' - funny little cigarettes.  My Dad

>smoked a pipe in the house when I grew up.  The offices I worked in were

>always fogged with tobacco smoke.  (This is early years).  The only place I

>have experienced that is free of pollution are the Scottish Highlands - the

>air is virtually pure there.

>

>Best Wishes

>Penny



Because your sensitivity could be considered something still IN your Lungs,

making anything MORE unacceptable. I would recommend Lung clearing herbs

like peppermint, loquat leaf, or balloonflower.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: chemical sensitivities

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:20:07 +0000



Because your sensitivity could be considered something still IN your Lungs,

making anything MORE unacceptable. I would recommend Lung clearing herbs

like peppermint, loquat leaf, or balloonflower.



Paul





Paul - many thanks for your very prompt response to mine.  I would be most

grateful if you could fill me in on the balloonflower; is this its common

name, and what is it origin and medicinal use?  You certainly have made me

sit up and think - it had never once occurred to me that it could be a Lung

problem - I had wondered whether it was a liver imbalance.



Best regards to all



Penny





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chemical sensitivities

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:32:07 -0800



>Because your sensitivity could be considered something still IN your Lungs,

>making anything MORE unacceptable. I would recommend Lung clearing herbs

>like peppermint, loquat leaf, or balloonflower.

>

>Paul

>

>

>Paul - many thanks for your very prompt response to mine.  I would be most

>grateful if you could fill me in on the balloonflower; is this its common

>name, and what is it origin and medicinal use?  You certainly have made me

>sit up and think - it had never once occurred to me that it could be a Lung

>problem - I had wondered whether it was a liver imbalance.

>

>Best regards to all

>

>Penny



Balloonflower is Platycodon sp. It is a very useful herb, Cooling and

Ventilating, without being Drying (peppermint's 'fault' in this case).

There are other Western herbs that could be used, but the treatment concept

is remove what is there, so you cannot simply moisten the lung---the herb

has to have a dispersing effect (and be of Cool or neutral property).



In any case, such olfactory sensitivity should not simply be lived with,

slowly but surely turning you into the girl in a bubble.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chemical sensitivities

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:58:22 -0800



>Well, guys no problem with TSH.  Just low body temp. I guess.  Any ideas

>why?

>Linda



Linda, I regret to say that you are wandering in a desert of

half-diagnoses. I have tried to offer some insight into the roots of such

disorders, but you really need 1) a real diagnosis; 2) a real treatment

plan. Doesn't sound like anyone you have available at the moment can

provide either. Which is a shame. But in the meantime, it produces this

sort of 'What is the meaning of the color of the sun' sort of question. The

reason 'why' is that your health ain't that great. Question really is, what

can be done about it, and for that the question has to be:



WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT **ALL**, HOLISTICALLY SPEAKING THAT IS.



I, for one, simply cannot get involved if you want to take a piecemeal

approach.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: chemical sensitivities

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 11:59:53 +0000



Balloonflower is Platycodon sp. It is a very useful herb, Cooling and

Ventilating, without being Drying (peppermint's 'fault' in this case).

There are other Western herbs that could be used, but the treatment concept

is remove what is there, so you cannot simply moisten the lung---the herb

has to have a dispersing effect (and be of Cool or neutral property).



In any case, such olfactory sensitivity should not simply be lived with,

slowly but surely turning you into the girl in a bubble.



Paul





Paul



At one point I had considered retreating to where the air is pure - but

that does not help one to face life.  So hopefully I will not allow the

bubble to mature in any way!  Just one final question on Balloonflower:  I

have had a look through my reference books here, and have not found it,

possibly because they themselves concentrate on the well-known culinary

herbs.  One very kind member of our List has forwarded me information on

herbal suppliers, so I will get cracking and go for it, as they say!



Many, many thanks.



Penny





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chemical sensitivities

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:41:35 -0800



>At one point I had considered retreating to where the air is pure - but

>that does not help one to face life.



Nor does clean air inherently clean the Lungs of accumulations. It is

better to treat what is there, than to run and hide.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ethnobotany

From: Alisa Mantoni <angel@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:25:35 -0500



greeting everyone!



i have to do a paper for an anthropology class, and my topi is ethnobotany

and how plants are used for medicinal value, mainly in the Amazon Rain

Forest.  i was wondering if anyone has any particularly useful information

that i could use...  would greatly appreciate it!



*lisa mantoni





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ethnobotany

From: Robert Seidel <RSYES@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:48:13 -0500



I have been working with several Tribal entities her in the Pacific

Northwest.

Our efforts have been to distill essential oils from native plants.



Local folks boil the leaves of Juniper (Juniperus occidentalis) and drink as

a tea for upper respiratory complaints.  The leaves of sagebrush (Artemesia

tridentata) are crushed and placed in the nostrils to  help keep away the

common cold.



Robert





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ethnobotany

From: Andrea Coleman <acoleman@INTERCONNECT.NET>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 17:03:18 -0800



Dear Robert,

        How completely fasinating! Please tell us more! This type of

knowledge is  priceless.  Thank you for sharing.

Any thing used for cancer there?

Andrea





Robert Seidel wrote:

>

> I have been working with several Tribal entities her in the Pacific

> Northwest.

> Our efforts have been to distill essential oils from native plants.

>

> Local folks boil the leaves of Juniper (Juniperus occidentalis) and drink as

> a tea for upper respiratory complaints.  The leaves of sagebrush (Artemesia

> tridentata) are crushed and placed in the nostrils to  help keep away the

> common cold.

>

> Robert





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ethnobotany

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 21:48:57 -0800



>greeting everyone!

>

>i have to do a paper for an anthropology class, and my topi is ethnobotany

>and how plants are used for medicinal value, mainly in the Amazon Rain

>Forest.  i was wondering if anyone has any particularly useful information

>that i could use...  would greatly appreciate it!

>

>*lisa mantoni



Head to the library! Get a copy of Nicole Maxwell's 'Witch Doctor's

Apprentice.'



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ethnobotany

From: BURRIDGE@BRANDONU.CA

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:28:45 -0600



Lisa

Go to your library and if you don't know how to do library research ask

the reference staff.  They will be able to help you.

Linda Burridge





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ethnobotany

From: Michael Bailes <frgntgar@FASTLINK.COM.AU>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 17:59:30 +1100



Here is alist of books on the subject. You could find some of them in the

library.

There is also an ethnobotanical data base on the internet; run by James

Duke one of the world's most prominent ethnobotanists. A Lycos search would

find it for you.

At the simplest level ethnobotany is the study of how peoples and cultures

use plants. So how do you use them in your culture?



A Druid's Herbal        Ellen Evert Hopman      ?

Amazonian Ethnobotanical Dictionary     James Alan Duke & Rodolfo Vasquez

$84.95

American Herbalism: Essays/Herbs/Herbalism      ed Michael Tierra



Aromatherapy Massage    Clare Maxwell -Hudson   $24.95

Bush Medicines

An Aboriginal Pharmacopoeia      Aboriginal Communities of

the Northern Territory of Australia   $50

    A wonderful book. Over 40 Aboriginal communities in the Northern

territory of Australia have been involved in the Aboriginal pharmocopea

project. this beautiful book is the fruit of their sharing and cooperation.



Bushfires & Bushtucker Aboriginal Plant use in Central Australia

Peter Latz      $49.95

 A most comprehensive survey of desert plant use.

Cannabis Alchemy        D. Gold $19.95          6

Chinese Pulse Diagnosis Bob Flaws       $30.95          1

Commission E Monographs German government translated by ABC     $275.00

Culture of Flowers, The Goody, Jack     $29.95

Diagnostics of Traditional Chinese Medicine     Shao Qi liang et. al.

$24.95



Don Juan, Mescalito and Modern Magic: The mythology of inner space

Drury, Nevill   $16.95

Drugs and Narcotics in History  Ed Roy porter and Mikulas reich.

$59.95

Earthly Goods : Medicine Hunting in the Rainforest      Christopher Joyce

$35.00 hc

Ethnobotany and The search for New Drugs        ed by Derek J. Chadwick and

Joan marsh  USA$76  In page 72 Herbalgram number 34.

Ethnobotany

Evolution of a Discipline   Schultes & Von Reis     $79.95



EthnoBotany of the Black Americans      Grimi   0917256107

Food of the Gods        Terence McKenna $19.95

 A radical history of plants, drugs and human evolution. An amazing and

thought provoking thesis. 307 pages.



From Choclate to Morphine : Everything you needed to know about mind

altering drugs     Andrew Weil & Winifred Rosen    $23.95

 A practicing physician and a medical researcher, Andrew Weil, M.D. is the

author of "Health and Healing"  "Marriage of the Sun and Moon" ,

"Spontaneous Healing" and "The Natural Mind". He is a graduate of Harvard

Medical School.    5

From the Earth to Beyond the Sky - Native American Medicine     Wolfson,

Evelyn $22.95

Garden of Life, The - An introduction to the healing plants of India

Patnaik, Naveen $49.95

REVIEW: In discussing healing plants and herbs, The Garden of Life

portrays concepts essential to the fundamental philosophy of Ayurveda: that

suffering is disease, and contentment is good health.The sages of Ayurveda

saw all illness and all health as part of an interlocking whole-mind, body

and spirit - that must be treated as one.,      Readers may wander through

a rich and rewarding garden divided into five sections- sacred, medicinal,

culinary, cosmetic and aromatic- to learn fascinating applications of

seventy plants, both familiar and exotic: betel leaf and thorn apple, as

aphrodisiacs; garlic to cleanse the blood; cardamom for the heart; gentian

to stimulate the liver and many more. Each plant is illustrated by an

exquisite Indian miniature, painted especially for this volume by artists

who are descendants of the master painters of Indian temples and

courts.This makes the book unusual and interesting from a western

viewpoint.



Geraniums for the Iroquiois     Moerman

Greek Plant World in Myth, Art and Literature   Hellmut Baumann $48.95

Growing the Hallucinogens       Hudson Grubber  $14.95

Handbook of African Medicinal Plants    Iwu, Maurice M. Ph.D.   $184.00



Handbook of Arabian Medicinal Plants    Shahina A. Ghazanfar, Department of

Biology, Sultan Qaboos

University, Sultanate of Oman        $120.00

DESCRIPTION: The Handbook of Arabian Medicinal Plants is the

first

illustrated reference on the uses of plants in the Arabian Peninsula.

It

documents and preserves the existing knowledge in a region where

social

patterns are rapidly changing. The book emphasizes the need for

preserving

social and cultural patterns and examines the close relationship

between

those patterns and nature. This excellent source identifies more

than 250

species of plants and describes their medicinal uses.

Biochemical

information and references are also included for each

species.



FEATURES:

     Comprehensive descriptions of each species

     An

abundance of illustrations from fresh and herbarium specimens

     The

latest biochemical data on plant species

     Guide to diseases and

conditions

     Appendix of plants cures

AUDIENCE: Teachers and students of

economic botany, researchers in

medicinal plants, anthropologists,

pharmacologists, medical botanists, and

interested professional and amateur

natural historians.

CONTENTS:

     Introduction

     Traditional Medicine



Diagnosis

     Bone Setting

     Cupping

     Cauterization

     Beliefs

Related to Health and Disease

     Handbook of Arabian Medicinal Plants



Species Descriptions

     References

     Appendix of Plants Used for the

Treatment of Various Conditions and

     Diseases

     General Index

August

1994, 272 pp



Healing Forest : Medicinal & Toxic Plants of the Northwest Amazonia

Richard Evans Schultes & Robert F. Raffauf      $89.95

Herbal Medicine for Human Health        Ranjit Roy Chaudhury    $13.95

Chapters on research, clinical evaluation, primary health care,

standardization, regulation 87 pages sc

High Society: The Legalisation of Illicit Drugs Joan Kersey     $14.95

Hippocratic Writings    LLoyd G.        $14.95

Indian Medicine Power   Brad Steiger    $19.95  Medicine people from

numerous tribes demonstrate how ancient medical practices can be used toi

attain min and body wisdom and to ' walk in balance' with nature.        7

Islands, Plants and Polynesians - An introduction to Polynesian Ethnobotany

Cox, Paul Alan & Banack, Sandra Anne    $56.00          1

Magical and Ritual use of Aphrodisiacs, The     Miller, Richard Alan

$18.95

Marriage of the Sun and Moon, The - A Quest for Unity in Conciousness

Weil, Andrew    $19.95          3

Medicinal and Other uses of North American Plants       Erichson - Brown,

Charlotte     $18.95          4

Medicinal Plants in China       WHO

Medicinal Plants in Viet Nam    WHO     $59.95

Medicinal Plants of West Africa Edward S. Ayensu        $59.00



Murder, Magic and Medicine      Mann, John      $26.95  Primitive cultures

identified edible and poisonous plants by a process of trial and error, and

then began to exploit the toxic materials for huntings, euthanasia,

executions and murder. Other plants were found to have hallucinogenic

effects: these not only formed the basis of macro-religious rites, they

also encouraged experimentation which led to the identification of plants

with useful medicinal properties.

This absorbing account of the evolution

of modern medicine from its roots in folk medicine will entertain and

inform both scientist and general reader alike. It explains the chemical

basis of pharmacology, and provides a fascinating description of how the

use and abuse of natural products in various societies throughout that ages

has led to the development of many of the drugs we now take for granted.



240 pages.   3

Natural Healing with Tibbetan Medicine: Medicine of the Prophet Muhammad

Al-Akili       24.95

Natural Mind, The - An investigation of Drugs and the Higher Consciousness

Weil, Andrew    $16.95  Exploding with  ideas on how we use mind

altering herbs and processes. A facinating read for anyone interested in

the way we see (or don't see) the world.

"Like good cheese, The Natural

Mind gets better with age. I learned more reading the book fifteen years

after its original publication than I did in 1971.  Those who haven't read

it at all are missing an interesting and important experience." - Lester

Grinspoon M.D. Harvard Medical School

Opium Poppy Garden : The Way of a Chinese Grower        William Griffith

$22.95  A complete guide to cultivating and harvesting the beautiful

opium poppy. The opium poppy is a potent plant that has been cultivated and

used for thousands of years to alleviate suffering. The use of plant

substances as alternatives to synthetic medicines is resurging due to their

beneficial effects. For example, many cancer and HIV sufferers are growing

opium for personal use.

Plant Intoxicants       Baron Ernst von Bibra   $32.95  A classic text on

the use of mind altering plants first published in Germany in 1855. Von

Bibra's text covers seventeen plants from the commonly used coffee and tea

to plants more often abused such as coca and opium.. he examines the

consumption , use, cultivation and preparation of each plant. The text is

annotated by a modern ethno-botanist.       2

Plants and People of the Golden Triangle

       Edward F. Anderson

$100    Ethnobotanty of the Hill Tribes of Northern Thailand

Plants of the Gods - Their Sacred, Healing and Hallucinogenic Powers

Evans Schultes, Richard & Hofmann, Albert       $29.95

Punu: Yankunytjatjarra Plant Use        C Goddard       $14.95  The

Yankunytjatjarra people are native to Central Australia



Rainforest Remedies: 

100 Healing Herbs of Belize       Arvigo/Balick

$19.95  Dr Arvigo wrote "Satsun" the story of her apenticship with a Mayan

healer (see newsletter 11)



Research Guidelines for Evauating the Safety and Efficacy of Herbal

Medicines   WHO     $12.95

Roots of Chinese Culture & Medicine     Wei Tsuei       $19.95  The

philosophical and cultural roots of Chinese medicine

Sacred Mushroom Seeker  Ed by Thomas J. Riedlinger      $59.95

Sastun  Rosita Arvigo   $19.95

Secret Medicine of the Pharaohs: Ancient Egyptian Healing       Cornelius

Stetter       $24.95          2

Shamanism       Nevill Drury    $24.95



Tales of a Shaman's Apprentice - An ethnobotanist searches for new

medicines in the amazon rain forest  Plotkin, Mark J.        $34.95

hardback out of print    Have you ever read a book and then wanted to rush

out and make everyone else you know read it??  That was my reaction to

"Tales of a Sharman's Apprentice".  The book tells of Mark's(I need to use

his first name, as after reading his story I feel I know him) visits to the

South American Rainforests to collect information on the native Indians

uses of plants.  His adventures are incredible yet retold in a calm,

ingenuous way.  For example he arrives in a country racked by Civil War and

complains that he can't get any food and supplies for his six weeks journey

into the remote forest.  I am thinking, "what are you doing there anyway,

you madman!!"  His adventures are straight out of "The Raiders of the Lost

Ark" and even more remarkable because they are retold as if he is taking a

stroll through an English country garden.

So much for the excitement and

amazing adventures.  Mark then intersperses this ripping yarn with

fascinating fingernail sketch histories of the plants, places and peoples

he visits.  All come alive in his telling.  There are fascinating throw

away lines on all sorts of plants.

The ancient Greeks valued orchids as

treatments for sexual disorders.  Indeed, the name orchid is derived from

the Greek word meaning testicle...

The Indians make Mark a bow and he goes

fishing with them the Indian accuracy with a bow is nothing short of

miraculous.

I.. reached for the fish with my hand, as I did so, an Indian

from a neighbouring canoe fired an arrow at the same fish... the arrow

passed between my third and fourth fingers, striking the fish in the gills.

I looked over at the other canoe, stunned.  "Better not use your hands,"

said the Indian with a sheepish smile.

This is an important book because of

what it has to teach us about conservation.

Each time one of these medicine

men(or women) dies, it is as if a library has gone up in flames"



and

"Unfortunately, most people are not intrigued by plants; and many

conservationists regard them as something that goes in one end of a Panda

and out the other.  You cannot save the animal, however, unless you also

save the plant it feeds on."

"The Sharman's Apprentice has a lot to tell us

about indigenous peoples everywhere including Australians and others in our

region.  It should be read by missionaries, social workers, herbalists,

conservationists, politicians, gardeners, doctors, pharmacists, teachers,

anthropologists, educationalists, Malaysian ministers and anyone who cares

about the future.  (Some enterprising Australian filmmaker needs to tie up

the film rights before Spielberg does!!).

Am I being evangelist enough?  My

problem now is do I reread my one copy or do I lend it to a friend..





11

Tales of a Shaman's Apprentice - An ethnobotanist searches for new

medicines in the amazon rain forest  Plotkin, Mark J.        $16.95





The Sacred Mushroom Seeker      Ed by Thomas J. Riedlinger      $60

The Traditional Chinese Drug and Its Usage      Ou ming Li Yanwen

$82.95

The Use of Traditional Medicine in Primary Health Care  WHO

The Way of the Shaman   Michael Harner

Traditional Chinese Medicine & Pharmacology     Fu Weikang      $5.95

2

Traditional Medical & Health Care Coverage      WHO     $59.95.

Urban Shaman    Serge Kahili King,      $19.95  A Handbook for personal and

planetary transformation based on the Hawain way of the adventurer. A very

good book for people seeking deeper knowledge of the shamanic wisdom of

today and how to apply it to their everyday lives. Recommended   2



Vine of the Soul: Medicine Men, their Plants and Rituals in the Colombian

Amazonia      Richard Evans Schultes, F.M.L.S & Robert F. Raffauf, F.L.S

$34.95



Water feng Shui for wealth      Lillian Too     $29.95

Wisdom of the Elders    David Suzuki    $16.95          1

Witchcraft: a Beginners Guide   Teresa Moorey   $14.95

Witchcraft & Shamanism : Witchcraft Today - Book Three  Clifton, Chas S.

$14.95







Michael Bailes

The Fragrant Garden

Portsmouth Road

Erina. N.S.W. 2250

Australia.

Int fax 61 43 651979 Phone 043 677322

frgntgar@worldgrp.fastlink.com.au (Michael Bailes)

I complained because I had no PowerMac;

    then I met a man who only had Windows...





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Nuxated Iron?

From: Lee King <gking@MB.SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:07:56 -0600



I received this note from the Archaeology list.  Can anyone help?

Lee King



Ellenbaum, Charles O. wrote:

>

> Can anyone help him?

> Chuck

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> FORWARDED FROM: Ellenbaum, Charles O.

> Return-Path: <owner-histarch@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU>

> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:09:27 -0900

> From: MILLS ROBIN O <ftrom@AURORA.ALASKA.EDU>

> Subject: "Nuxated Iron"

> Sender: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY <HISTARCH@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU>

> To: Multiple recipients of list HISTARCH <HISTARCH@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU>

> Reply-To: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY <HISTARCH@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU>

> Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.94.961120090328.22951A-100000@aurora.alaska.edu>

> Mime-Version: 1.0

> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Quick question for the list:

>

> Recovered from a ca. 1900-1920 cabin foundation is a small vial about

> 13cm/4" in height, with cork still in situ, with embossing around the

> body, near the shoulder, that reads "NUXATED IRON".  Let alone the

> literature, I can't even find this word in a dictionary!  Any clues?

> suggestions?

>

> Robin Mills (ftrom@aurora.alaska.edu)

> Univ. of Alaska Fairbanks





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nuxated Iron?

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:42:15 -0800



>> Recovered from a ca. 1900-1920 cabin foundation is a small vial about

>> 13cm/4" in height, with cork still in situ, with embossing around the

>> body, near the shoulder, that reads "NUXATED IRON".  Let alone the

>> literature, I can't even find this word in a dictionary!  Any clues?

>> suggestions?

>>

>> Robin Mills (ftrom@aurora.alaska.edu)

>> Univ. of Alaska Fairbanks



Maybe it has Nux vomica (Poison nut) added in, perhaps in homeopathic form,

used to treat debauch.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nuxated Iron?

From: Will Bason <wbason@SWVA.NET>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:33:48 -0500



>Maybe it has Nux vomica (Poison nut) added in, perhaps in homeopathic form,

>used to treat debauch.

>

>Paul



Is "nux" latin for "nut"?   Then "nuxated" might be a fancy way to say it

comes in big pellets or , better yet, "encapsulated".



                                        will





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nuxated Iron?

From: "Patricia C. McMullen" <Redgato@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 19:55:33 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-21 08:53:25 EST, you write:



<<

 > Recovered from a ca. 1900-1920 cabin foundation is a small vial about

 > 13cm/4" in height, with cork still in situ, with embossing around the

 > body, near the shoulder, that reads "NUXATED IRON".  Let alone the

 > literature, I can't even find this word in a dictionary!  Any clues?

 > suggestions?

 > >>



In the 19th century, physicians generally believed that strychnine was a

stimulant that could affect the central nervous system, and they added small

amounts of it to tonics.  Maybe the bottle contains an iron tonic to which

nux vomica has been added.



Pat





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: COLON CANCER-Aloe?Aspirin?

From: Ela Wierzchowska <elka@ALPIE.ALPLAST.COM.PL>

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:24:43 -0800



Dear Andrea,







 Thank you very much for you letter.I am glad to know you think Essiac tea may help.

I was giving my father's Aloe vera after surgery but afterwards I have read that

perhaps it may stimulate cancer cells to grow.It was written in Polish herb book

by a monk who became very famous in Poland.He wrote however that he is not sure

of that-that it was only his asssumption but he seemed to have big experience with

healing.

I was not sure about Aspirin and I will tell you why.I have read at the NIH Web pages

that there were clinical trials which had showed that aspirin (and piroxican) prevent

polip growth and may reverse them.It seems that antiflammatory possiblities of

Aspirin may be good for colon but I am not sure if for breast also.

I stopped with Aspirin however because my father's platels level is low .I am

not sure what is the exact impact of Aspirin on blood: if it acts on platel level

or on blood factors which enable  platels to create thrombus when we get hurt.

These two mechanisms are completely different but I agree that results may be the

same.

I would be very grateful if other persons from the List like to give us their opinion

about Aloe and aspirin.

I am very touched and grateful people from the list reacted so quickly and so generously

to my letter.Thank you!What wonderful people you are!





          Ela Wierzchowska

          elka@alplast.com.pl























































Andrea Coleman wrote:

>

> Dear Ela,

>  I have breast cancer and I take chemo and herbs and vitamins, so let me

> tell you what I have learned the last 8 months.

>

> 1)  Aspirin is a big no-no. Aspirin can mask an infection and it also

> reduces the platelets where a bruise could make him bleed to death.

>

> 2)  Essiac tea is great, sheep sorrel and the rhurbarb is in it, keep up

> the good work there, it has trully reduced the grow of the cancer when I

> first discovered it.

>

> 3) Garlic is great, I also take echinaecea to increase the white blood

> cells after chemo and Pau D arco to increase red blood cells.

>

> 4) To reduce swelling I take Yucca herb and Glucosamine which is not a

> herb, but I think its an amino acid, anyway it works.

>

> 5)  MY cousin had colon cancer and she takes aloe vera juice to rebuild

> the lining of the intestinal wall, I take it too some times when I have

> problems with my colon.

>

> 6)  I also juice carrots, beet juice, celery, and many other fruits and

> vegetables.

>

> If you have any more questions please email me if you like I have tons

> of books on cancer and herbs.

>

> I will pray for you  and your father,

> Love,

> Andrea

>

> Ela Wierzchowska wrote:

> >

> > Hello Everybody from the List,

> >

> >  I am a new member of this discussion room but I have been lurking for several days

> > and I have liked very much discussions which is held here.

> > I am a biologist(in special interest in botany) but I am between you because of other

> > reasons also.

> > My father is a Duke stage C2 colon cancer patient,he had hemicolectomy in September

> > and now he is after two courses of standard chemo:5fu+leucovorin*5 days every 4

> > weeks.

> > We would like not to stop on allopathic medicine but we try to do complementary approach

> > also.We live in Poland(Europe) and in our country ESSIAC is doing a career among

> > cancer patients.We give it to my father together with exctract of Peruvian tree called

> > Pau d"Arco.First we used Cat's Claw(Uncaria tormentosa) but after my searching

> > Internet without special results which could support this treatment we stopped.

> > Recently I have been doing some other WWW searches and my new friends from Colon Cancer

> > List sent me some info about PSK which is Coriolus versicolor(a japanese mushroom)

> > extract.The benefit from it was proven in japanese clinical trials on colon cancer

> > patients even thouhg the number of patients in both arms seems to be rather small

> > (about 50 patients in each arm)

> > Searching japanese cancer resources I found an information that a combination of

> > antinflamatory herbs(Rhei rhizoma,Coptidis rhizoma,Scutallaria radix) called

> > Kampto has effect on intestinal polyposis in animals.

> > We have heard and read also about:

> >

> > -doctor Burzynski trials on urine antineoplastins

> > -Iscador,

> > -Hoxsey herbs

> > -Astragalus(interesting because it is supposed to stop cancer dissemination)

> > -green tea

> > -aspirin and other antinflamatory drugs like Piroxican

> > -garlic

> > -wheat bran

> >

> > Uff,there are so many...

> > My fathers drinks a lot of yoghurt(with wheat bran and different sort of Muesli),red

> > beet juice(with a lot of garlic),eat fiber-rich foods,etc.I used to give him 400mg

> > of aspirin each day but now I stopped because his platels level dropped to lower

> > border-line of the normal range and I don't know if it is due to chemo+aspirin or chemo

> > only-I would appreciate your opinion about that...

> > As I have mentioned already he drinks Essiac twice a day but I don't know if this

> > formula realy helps as I know that there were no clinical trials to deal with it.

> > I would like to add Kampto or PSK or other herbs to the complementary treatment alone

> > or jointly with Essiac but I don't know how to choose and combine them in the way

> > they act sinergistically and don't reverse benefits from the chemo.

> > I wonder if it is safe to add herbs which are blood purifiers(like indian rhubarb

> > or sheep sorrel or slippery elm)in days when chemo is given(for these reasons we

> > do not but we don't know if we are all right).

> > We look for good blood builders,immune-system booster and antitumor herbs but are unable

> > to choose them ourselves-we are looking for your advice.

> > If somebody knows how to prevent going to the toilet too often(it is not a diarrhea

> > it seems rather that peristaltic is not effective because results of sittings in toilet

> > are not impressive but a patient feel a must of going there frequently especially

> > by night) I would be very grateful for advice.

> > We try different sort of diets without special result.What should he eat besides

> > yoghurt,fiber,wheat bran,Cruciferae plants etc.

> > We give him vitamin(especially B) and minerals supplement.What else may we do for

> > him?

> > I would appreciate any advice

> >

> >               Ela Wierzchowska

> >               elka@alplast.com.plDear Andrea,





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Russian Comfrey

From: Vickie Rickey <VV_PRSIS@SCOCA.OHIO.GOV>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:12:26 -0500



I have a friend who broke her hand in a fall last November.  She had had

2 surgeries and will have to have another one mid-December.  She is really

frustrated.  Someone told her taking Russian Comfrey internally would help

prepare her for surgery.  I thought comfrey was not to be taken internally.

Does anyone know about Russian Comfrey for pre-surgery, or anything else

she may do to prepare for this third surgery.  One of the main problems

she is having with her hand is scar tissue, and of course with every

surgery that may make the hand worse.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks

Vickie Rickey





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Russian Comfrey

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:14:30 -0800



>I have a friend who broke her hand in a fall last November.  She had had

>2 surgeries and will have to have another one mid-December.



>Vickie Rickey



How old is she?



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Russian Comfrey

From: Vickie Rickey <VV_PRSIS@SCOCA.OHIO.GOV>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:57:40 -0500



Paul



She is around 50, a runner in very good all around health.



Vickie





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Russian Comfrey

From: Mary Watts <mwatts@DIMENTECH.COM>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:18:05 -0500



Vickie Rickey writes:

>

> I have a friend who broke her hand in a fall last November.  She had had

> 2 surgeries and will have to have another one mid-December.  She is really

> frustrated.  Someone told her taking Russian Comfrey internally would help

> prepare her for surgery.  I thought comfrey was not to be taken internally.

> Does anyone know about Russian Comfrey for pre-surgery, or anything else

> she may do to prepare for this third surgery.  One of the main problems

> she is having with her hand is scar tissue, and of course with every

> surgery that may make the hand worse.

>

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>





do some research on Chickweed...I have a vague memory that it is recommended

for dealing with scar tissue...

couldn't find the source just now though, so I may have confused the herb.



Comfrey should not be taken internally...over a *long* period...

again, I don't recall the specifics, but I recall some sort of warning,

perhaps others on the list may know.

but I believe it is ok for such a use as you describe,

I don't know specifically about "Russian" comfrey

as opposed to just plain old Comfrey (Symphytum officinale)

the extract of the root is said to

"cleanse entire system of impurities...

Feeds body and promotes new cell growth (bone and flesh). Eases pain and

helps heal broken bones, sprians, tendons, slow healing sores.

Speeds wound healing, guards against scar tissue..."



the recommended dosage for extract is 30-60 drops a day,

and a warning was listed "Be careful of using it externally on deep cuts

- it can heal surface fast, leaving tissue still damaged underneath."



reference: Thornes' Guide to Herbal Extracts,  Vol. 1, by Terry Thorne.



mary

--

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mwatts@dimentech.com                                  Mary Watts

                     http://www.contra.org/~mwatts

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Russian Comfrey

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 22:38:17 -0500



The homeopathic Symphytum would work quite well without any of the toxic

effects that comfrey may or may not have. It helps knit broken bones, torn

cartilage and tendons.



All the best,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ethnobotany resources

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:53:42 -0800



At 04:25 PM 11/20/96 -0500, Alisa Mantoni wrote:

>greeting everyone!

>

>i have to do a paper for an anthropology class, and my topi is ethnobotany

>and how plants are used for medicinal value, mainly in the Amazon Rain

>Forest.  i was wondering if anyone has any particularly useful information

>that i could use...  would greatly appreciate it!

>

>*lisa mantoni

>

>



Lisa,



If you have web access try the  Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases

from ARS.

You can get to it through my home page (address in signature).



This will show you:



Ecosys--plant ecological ranges

EthnobotDB--worldwide plant uses

FoodplantDB--Native American food plants

 MPNADB--medicinal plants of Native America

 PhytochemDB--plant chemicals





The Ethnobot, Foodplant, and MPNADB all have good bibliographic references

if you wish to further search the hard copy books these databases came from.



Good Luck,



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"I hope that's Valerian I smell!"





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Archaic Terms

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:01:13 +0000



"The desire of sage is to render man immortal".

Quote from a medieval treatise.





Also,  "How can a man grow old if he grows sage in his garden?" may be the

basic interpretation of Anita's saying, which originated from the Chinese

and Persian dynasties.



Bye for now

Penny





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archaic Terms

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:29:28 -0800



>Also,  "How can a man grow old if he grows sage in his garden?" may be the

>basic interpretation of Anita's saying, which originated from the Chinese

>and Persian dynasties.

>

>Bye for now

>Penny



Sages aren't really held in such high esteem in Chinese herbalism. Maybe

you mean having *a* Sage buried in your garden???



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Saccharin

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 02:57:15 EST



So=what do you know about saccharin?





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: HERBS AND CANCER-PLEASE DISCUSS IT!

From: Ela Wierzchowska <elka@ALPIE.ALPLAST.COM.PL>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 05:17:06 -0800



Dear Friends from the List!





I have thought more than twice before sending 80K letter to the List.

I did so because I thought that there may be other cancer patients or

cancer patient family members subscribed to this List.

I am beginner on the Internet but I have dedicated several weeks searching

cure which may save my father.

I know how important any small piece of informations,any phrase might be.

I don't know if I managed to help Osvaldo because I have hurried to answer

him as quickly as I could so I have not delayed bookmarks which are not

related to cancer.

Soon after sending my message I have received thanks from other members of

the List and messages saying that this stuff may be useful.

I am receiving some info-privately not through the List.I would like to

thanks all the senders.

I think however that the List is created to discuss some problems and some aspects of

many treatments are controversial.

I refer to Cat's claw for example which as I may read in my "private post" :

"inhibits formation of platelets"

Dear people!-this means that it cannot be given during chemotreatment because

chemo main side effects is just to lower the platelets level-which may be

very dangerous for patient.

There are a lot of herbs claimed anticancers.The choice is impressive.

We (I hope Osvaldo will agree) are here to understand which of them are

most promising,to learn something about "for" and about "against".

If we are censored since the beginning whom may we ask and when to post

such messages if not here to HERB.

There is not a separate List about complementary treatment of cancer(maybe it

should be!) and official cancer lists seem to be moderated with messages "you

are recommended not to reverse benefits of chemo with unproven cures"(citation

from a post adrresed to me by an owner of one of this list).

I wish Paul to be healthy and not to have to deal with problems like ours

till the end of his life.It is a big gift from God.

I would like to thank everybody who is helping us(there are many incredibly

generous persons on the List)

We would like to ask you to discuss with us certain controversial problems(I

will prepare my questions to the List)

It is evident that my father and Osvaldo's sister will

not be taking all potentially "anticancer" herbs altogether.

We have to make some choices.

The mixture must be well balanced and interactions with alopathic medicines

must be taken in considerations.

Sending letters privately does not risolve these problems as there is not

space for discussion.

I have seen for examples standings saying that antioxidants may reverse benefits

of chemo.I don't know what to think about it.

The main problem for me is:whether to give my father blood purifiers(which are

present in Essiac) in the days the chemo is given?

Alopathic list said no(but it is generally against complementary treatment).

I don't know but I don't want cytostatics to be removed from the body too quickly.

What do you think about it?

Sincerely



          Ela Wierzchowska

          elka@alplast.com.pl



































































Osvaldo Suarez wrote:

>

> On 20 Nov 96 at 21:40, Paul Iannone wrote about Re: Co-Enzyme Q10

>

> >>the mitochondria of each cell of our bodies. It helps to produce energy at

> >>the cellular level, acting much like a spark plug that helps to maintain

> >>efficient operation of each cell.

> >

> > Advertisements are NOT allowed on this list. In addition, the above does

> > not qualify as information. It is what is technically called 'nonsense.'

>

> he also wrote abt VOTE;

>

> >i trust you all get the impression that i will FLAME your asses back

> >to the stone age if you continue putting this garbage in my mailbox.

>

> he wrote abt Cancer / herbs

>

> > sending an 80K message to the list is not appropiate. Please

> >cease and desist.

>

> What is not appropiated is to use the language you are using.

> Bad words reflect the way you are. Crystal Clear !

>

> Regarding the 80K file,  I must teach you that  help is not

> measured by the lenght of any file .We are talking abt Cancer, we

> are talking abt alternative ways to help a person that could

> die soon.  Who cares abt 80K file lenght if any help is contained

> in it ?? Only you Paul cares abt it.

> Answering mails in the way you do, ironicaly or underestimating

> persons ....you have wrote more than 80 K since I have joint the

> list. You have filled my Mail Box with GARBAGE. You did !!

>

> Who do you think you are ? The owner of this list ??

> The judge of this list ? The one that judges people and

> determine sentences ?? The one that dictates what can be said

> and what can not be said ? Do not tell me abt netiquete , because

> you do not follow netiquete using such bad words.

>

> Do you belive in freedom ? Do you believe in democracy ?

> Why dont you ask people at Herb List what do they think abt

> your  behavior ?  Why dont you ask them if they want you in or

> out of the list.

>

> Sooner or Later you will become physically sick, you are

> already menthaly sick , when that happens,  I hope the help to

> cure your sickness could   be included in an 80K file.

> I will be glad to mail it to you.

>

> Osvaldo Suarez

> mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERBS AND CANCER-PLEASE DISCUSS IT!

From: Osvaldo Suarez <osf@ECUA.NET.EC>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 13:12:06 -0500



n 22 Nov 96 at 5:17, Ela Wierzchowska wrote about HERBS AND CANCER-PLEASE

DISCUSS IT!



> There are a lot of herbs claimed anticancers.The choice is impressive.

> We (I hope Osvaldo will agree) are here to understand which of them are

> most promising,to learn something about "for" and about "against".



fully agree with you. i am here to learn. nodoby told me in advance that

I needed to prepared to help my sisterr .So the moment to

learn and the moment to receive help is *now*.



> I wish Paul to be healthy and not to have to deal with problems like ours

> till the end of his life.It is a big gift from God.

I wish him the best . too !

You know which is the best medicine ?

Love. .....and it is not contained in Herbs.



> It is evident that my father and Osvaldo's sister will

> not be taking all potentially "anticancer" herbs altogether.



Sure thing. If we receive some help from those who really

know, despite of the size of the files  or the quoting marks,

we will be able to see our relatives for many years more.....

it is the only thing i am looking for....keep her alive !!!



I join Ela's desire : PLS DISCUSSE HERBS AND CANCER

we really need help.



Osvaldo Suarez

mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Intro to Chinese (fwd)

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:11:22 -0900



This was forwarded to my daughter from college friends.  Those who are

interested in learning Chinese to further your herbal studies may benefit

from this tutorial.



>>

>>

>>>

>>>    \|/ ____ \|/

>>>     @~/ oO \~@

>>>    /_( \__/ )_\

>>>       \__U_/

>>>

>>>

>>>  An introductory lesson in Chinese...how to speak rudimentary Chinese...

>>>

>>>       Ai Bang Mai Ne             I bumped into the coffee table

>>>       Chin Tu Fat                You need  a face lift

>>>       Dum Gai                    A stupid person

>>>       Gun Pao Der                An ancient Chinese invention

>>>       Hu Flung Dung              Which one of you fertilized the field?

>>>       Hu Yu Hai Din              We have reason to believe you are

>>                                   harboring

>>>                                  a fugitive

>>>       Jan Ne Ka Sun              A former late night talk show host

>>>       Kum Hia                    Approach me

>>>       Lao Ze Sho                 Eastenders

>>>       Lao Zi                     Not very good

>>>       Lin Ching                  An illegal execution

>>>       Moon Lan Ding              A great achievement of the American

>>                                   space program

>>>       Ne Ahn                     A lighting fixture used in advertising

>>                                   signs

>>>       Shai Gai                   A bashful person

>>>       Tai Ne Bae Be              A premature infant

>>>       Tai ne Po Ne               A small horse (Icelandic horses)

>>>       Ten Ding Ba                Serving drinks to people

>>>       Wan Bum Lung               A person with T.B.

>>>       Yu Mai Te Tan              Your vacation in Hawaii agrees with you

>>>       Wa Shing Kah               Cleaning an automobile

>>>       Wai So Dim                 Are you trying to save electricity?

>>>       Wai U Shao Ting            There is no reason to raise your voice

>>>

>>>    \|/ ____ \|/

>>>     @~/ oO \~@

>>>    /_( \__/ )_\

>>>       \__U_/

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

>

***********************************************************

*Angelica spp.:  "A water distilled from the root eases   *

*                all pains and torments coming of cold    *

*                and wind."                               *

*Nicolas Culpeper, 1653                                   *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: UTI

From: Kim Walker <kwalker@FLASH.NET>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:15:41 -0600



I have been battling a UTI for approx. two weeks now, with 2000 mg. of

Cranberry BID (for a daily total of 4 g/day); 120 mg. of Triple

Chlorophyll BID (for a total of 240 mg./day); and took a one bottle

course of a product called Bladderex.  This has reduced the level of

irritation to about 1/2 of what it was, but the level has not dropped

any more for about four days (has not increased, either).  I have now

added 3x garlic--one tablet twice a day.



Does anyone know of any other herbal remedies that might assist in

kicking this once and for all?  I am 41, otherwise healthy, have not

done a UA, and work as a Chiropractic Assistant.  Hope this question

does not offend anyone, I am a new lister and hoping this is the right

place to come :)



Thanks in advance  --Kim





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI

From: Caitlin <cjclr@BAYNET.NET>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:25:14 -0500



At 16:15 22/11/96 -0600, you wrote:

>I have been battling a UTI for approx. two weeks now, with 2000 mg. of

>Cranberry BID (for a daily total of 4 g/day); 120 mg. of Triple

>Chlorophyll BID (for a total of 240 mg./day); and took a one bottle

>course of a product called Bladderex.  This has reduced the level of

>irritation to about 1/2 of what it was, but the level has not dropped

>any more for about four days (has not increased, either).  I have now

>added 3x garlic--one tablet twice a day.





    I have an extra kidney, a reflux and diverticulitis of the bladder and

am allergic to every darn antibiotic there is!  I've found that drinking

cranberry juice is far more effective than the pills. I also take as much

vitamin C as I can. On a daily basis, I take 2 grams, and whenever a UTI

begins, I take 4-6 grams. And lots of water! I drink about 16 oz every hr.

I also take a Bcomplex 50 mg and 400 IU's of vit E. Watch your diet too;

NO caffeine and lay off sweets. I'm in Canada and I take the Rx drug

mandelamine which is non-Rx in the US; it's just a urinary antibacterial

which I take when I feel a UTI. Another thing I've found that helps is

adding tea tree essential oils to bathwater. And sandalwood which is

supposedly good for chronic cystitis and UTI's.



Blessings,

Caitlin



 "to see the world in a grain of sand, and heaven in  wildflower"  -w.blake





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:34:57 -0800



>I have been battling a UTI for approx. two weeks now, with 2000 mg. of

>Cranberry BID (for a daily total of 4 g/day); 120 mg. of Triple

>Chlorophyll BID (for a total of 240 mg./day); and took a one bottle

>course of a product called Bladderex.  This has reduced the level of

>irritation to about 1/2 of what it was, but the level has not dropped

>any more for about four days (has not increased, either).  I have now

>added 3x garlic--one tablet twice a day.



Forget the garlic, and where are the diuretics in your protocol? You should

be using cornsilk at least.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI

From: Michael Bailes <frgntgar@FASTLINK.COM.AU>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:56:30 +1100



Sandalwood essential ,oil (worn on the skin) will be helpful









From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI

From: Geoff & Mary Orr <gorr@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 06:44:12 -0500



At 04:15 PM 11/22/96 -0600, you wrote:

>I have been battling a UTI for approx. two weeks now, with 2000 mg. of

>Cranberry BID (for a daily total of 4 g/day); 120 mg. of Triple

>Chlorophyll BID (for a total of 240 mg./day); and took a one bottle

>course of a product called Bladderex.  This has reduced the level of

>irritation to about 1/2 of what it was, but the level has not dropped

>any more for about four days (has not increased, either).  I have now

>added 3x garlic--one tablet twice a day.

>

>Does anyone know of any other herbal remedies that might assist in

>kicking this once and for all?  I am 41, otherwise healthy, have not

>done a UA, and work as a Chiropractic Assistant.  Hope this question

>does not offend anyone, I am a new lister and hoping this is the right

>place to come :)

>

>Thanks in advance  --Kim



Have you tried Uva Ursi?



Mary Orr

gorr@ix.netcom.com

Geoff and Mary Orr





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI

From: Karen Rhoda <Itype@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 10:39:45 -0500



You might also want to add cornsilk. I take 2 capsules three times a day

along with 4 cranberry fruit capsules four times a day and drink lots of

water. That usually works for me as I am hypersensitive to most antibiotics

and thus try to stay away from them when at all possible.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:39:27 -0900



At 04:15 PM 11/22/96 -0600, Kim Walker wrote:

>I have been battling a UTI for approx. two weeks now, with 2000 mg. of

>Cranberry BID (for a daily total of 4 g/day); 120 mg. of Triple

>Chlorophyll BID (for a total of 240 mg./day); and took a one bottle

>course of a product called Bladderex.  This has reduced the level of

>irritation to about 1/2 of what it was, but the level has not dropped

>any more for about four days (has not increased, either).  I have now

>added 3x garlic--one tablet twice a day.

>

>Does anyone know of any other herbal remedies that might assist in

>kicking this once and for all?  I am 41, otherwise healthy, have not

>done a UA, and work as a Chiropractic Assistant.  Hope this question

>does not offend anyone, I am a new lister and hoping this is the right

>place to come :)

>

>Thanks in advance  --Kim

>

>

Adding some diuretics would be a good idea. Celery seed, horsetail, cornsilk

(for burning sensation) and couchgrass will soothe inflammation.  Uva-ursi

is antiseptic and could be combined with the above and/or

pellitory-of-the-wall.   Buchu is also antiseptic. For a more potent

combination use Couchgrass, Buchu or Uva-ursi or Juniper berries. Couchgrass

is mildy antibiotic.  Drink lots of water while using diuretics.

***********************************************************

*Angelica spp.:  "A water distilled from the root eases   *

*                all pains and torments coming of cold    *

*                and wind."                               *

*Nicolas Culpeper, 1653                                   *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 18:29:28 -0500



Kim,



I have healed bladder infections with an herb extract called Pipsissewa and a

homeopathic called Cantharis (immediate relief for the burning pain when

urinating).



Wishing you wellness,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI

From: Debra Hultgren <dhultgre@NECA.COM>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:17:12 -0500

--------

>I have been battling a UTI for approx. two weeks now, with 2000 mg. of

>Cranberry BID (for a daily total of 4 g/day); 120 mg. of Triple

>Chlorophyll BID (for a total of 240 mg./day); and took a one bottle

>course of a product called Bladderex.  This has reduced the level of

>irritation to about 1/2 of what it was, but the level has not dropped

>any more for about four days (has not increased, either).  I have now

>added 3x garlic--one tablet twice a day.

>

>Does anyone know of any other herbal remedies that might assist in

>kicking this once and for all?  I am 41, otherwise healthy, have not

>done a UA, and work as a Chiropractic Assistant.  Hope this question

>does not offend anyone, I am a new lister and hoping this is the right

>place to come :)

>

>Thanks in advance  --Kim



Dear Kim,



I am also relatively new to the list and have done more reading than

responding but this one hit home.



I had excellent success treating my own UTI with the following:



During the acute period (2-4 days) I drank the following tea formula (1/4

cup every half hour), 2 parts uva ursi, 1 part marshmallow, 1 part buchu, 1

part pipsissewa (all dried herbs).  I steeped this in a quart jar for 15

minutes or so, strained it off and sipped it all day.



When the acute stage was over I drank one cup three times a day of the

following tonic type tea:  1 part cleaver, 1 part chickweed, 2 parts

cornsilk, 1 part pipsissewa, 1/2 part horsetail, 2 parts dandelion, 1/4

part ginger (all dried herbs except the ginger which I add fresh when I

make a pot).  This tea you drink for at least one week after the major

symptoms clear up.  Make tea same as above.



In addition to this I drank straight cranberry juice, (not the Ocean Spray

sweetened kind) throughout the day.  I also eliminated irritants from my

diet including caffine, alcohol etc.  I also comsumed lots of water.



It all worked well for me.



Best wishes,



Debra









____________________________________________________________________________

__Debra Hultgren ... Gardner, herbalist, Special Ed Administrator (D)

Reply E-mail to dhultgre@neca.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Racism and plant medicine--LONG

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:42:33 -0800



The recent neo-Nazi postings inadvertently brought up the issue of racism,

in the guise of the 'them' of the Nazis, who must be blocked at all costs.

That post, however, ignored the racism which is intimately tied to the

history of warfare in THIS country, and, more apropos, to the hegemonical

battles of 'modern' medicine with traditional healing. Time after time

'native-derived' plant medicines have been OUTRIGHT scoffed at, 'rooted'

out, driven underground, and actively prosecuted---not because they were in

fact inferior, but because of a bigoted and hegemonist bias that refused

compromise or even examination in the terms of the native culture. Instead,

a 'scientific, materialist' culture is presumed to be the only reasonable

truth.



In my own study of Chinese history, culture, and healing, I am AMAZED, at

regular points, with discoveries of further evidence (for me) that these

'people like me' had very advanced cultures very long ago, and plenty to

teach the Europeans at almost any point in history, including the present.



I am currently reading 'American Indian Medicine' by Virgil Vogel. He aptly

points out that the Europeans who stood at a distance from native

accomplishments in pharmacognosy and healing (unlike those whose lives were

saved time and again by the 'indians') scoffed at the idea that these

natives could offer anything to European medicine. They even go so far as

to claim that the Europeans actually TAUGHT the natives their own (native)

medicine! These prejudices run VERY deep, and they are rooted in racism,

bigotry, extreme ethnocentricity, and a kind of jingoism of culture that

prevents confrontation with the facts.



Thus, if you point out the OBVIOUS racism that allowed the U.S. to try to

bomb the Vietnamese 'back to the Stone Age,' even though they had chosen

their government, you are invited to love America or leave it. If you point

out that Woodrow Wilson, an admitted racist, invaded sovereign countries

and replaced their constitutions with less free ones that favored U.S.

corporate takeover of their national economies; you get a glazed look that

tells you that Americans maintain their fragile and uneducated worldview by

pretending that the history 'they' are responsible for began within the

last twenty or thirty years, as if the CIA and the large corporations like

Exxon and Union Carbide (responsible for many, many deaths in Bhopal WITHIN

that aura of feel good history) aren't still involved in the very same

behavior.



Americans in general are ignorant of this racism in their own culture,

believing perhaps that racism was overcome in the sixties, and now we are

just mopping up---while they ignore that 25% of the young blacks in this

country are either in prison or on parole. They use the lies they were

taught in school to buffer themselves against a recognition of that racism,

a racism that fails to find expression in the politeness of their

day-to-day existence, but which exists as naive, ethnocentric, totally

FALSE historical views, just under the surface.



Herbalists are in a position to observe this rank ignorance and to counter

it IN REAL TERMS. They may be aware that the Chinese discovered hormone

therapy, that they discovered nutritional therapy for night blindness just

as the native Americans discovered effective therapy for scurvy, at a time

when the Europeans thought it was from 'bad air.' They might be aware of

Taijiquan, acupuncture, Qigong, or might not, but they are certainly aware

of all the herbs...from ginseng to cascara, coca to ipecac, curare,

cinchona, passionflower, cotton, that were gifts to humanity from savy and

sophisticated NATIVE herbalists in viable, healthy cultures, whose

discoveries deserve to be honored EVEN BEFORE they are 'validated' with a

sniff from haughty science's monocled bigot.



Because there is no teaching of Chinese history in American schools,

Americans remain unaware of the fact that the Chinese reached an urban

intellectual lifestyle a thousand years ago that the West has in many ways

yet to achieve. And the lack of real information on the cultures of the

twelve million native Americans here when the Europeans arrived (who were,

being free from plagues and most diseases prior to the onslaught of the

Europeans, at one point reduced to 250,000 due to the Conquest and its---by

the Europeans celebrated as God-intended---germ warfare plague) prevents

them from understanding that native American culture was, on the whole,

VASTLY superior to European culture of the time on most counts.



Like it or not, we, as herbalists, are the inheritors of ancient and

sophisticated cultures, and like it or not, we defend and archive and honor

those cultures against the trivialization of our bigoted (or, to be polite,

profoundly-naive and ethnocentric-by-default) culture and its various

authorities and misconceptions. It is a historical trust that we receive

from the plants, as another plant gift to Man...yet another gift from the

earth 'above' us.



Humanism, as a theory, is still BY FAR the minority view, and the

neo-Nazis, damn them, are simply expressing out loud what corporations and

supposedly 'free' governments still practice in whispers. We export our bad

drugs, our tobacco, our bombs and landmines. We waste and discard without

concern for the others here. As the Internet becomes fully international in

a few years, the Ugly American FACTS will be hard to hide from.



We are not the hope of mankind, any more than we are only its scourge. Our

society is still horribly unfree, in more ways than anyone cares to

admit---free unless you practice forms of healing that are illegal, free

unless you practice forms of relationship which are illegal, free unless

you aren't white and male, counting on an equal paycheck. Certainly NOT

willing to extend that freedom to all humanity, because that would be too

inconvenient. For that reason, the U.S. is as 'neo-Nazi' as these other

poor schmucks who believe in their vision of 'the master race.' The facts

are against us on that count, and it is to the honor of all herbalists that

they work to undo that heritage, to study and uphold the real traditions of

humankind, at every highpoint regardless of culture, going back into the

dusts of history farther than anyone can recount.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Racism and plant medicine--LONG

From: Will Bason <wbason@SWVA.NET>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:51:54 -0500



Well.......You're right about a lot. Great essay.

         Eurocentrism looks dumber and dumber to this american of european

ancestry. Personally, i can quote the i ching and tao te ching at great

length and have hardly ever opened a bible. I feel strongly that we are

creating a new culture, keeping what works from anywhere and throwing away

the crap that has encrusted every culture i know anything about.  Herbalism

is a great example. A beautiful baby in a lot of dirty bath water.



>In my own study of Chinese history, culture, and healing, I am AMAZED, at

>regular points, with discoveries of further evidence (for me) that these

>'people like me' had very advanced cultures very long ago, and plenty to

>teach the Europeans at almost any point in history, including the present.



Don't be AMAZED!  That's being eurocentric. Obviously we have things to

teach each other.

   Racism?  In America?  Well my turn to be amazed!

   But then the chinese have been hard to top for xenophobia, they just

were forced to get over it where eurocentrics could keep it longer.  In

africa, racism between huttu and tutsi has resulted in genocide and we can

only hope that this is not the start of a trend there.  The japanese were

kinda real hard on the ainu and  koreans.  The chinese have been hard on

some of their neighbors too.  Racism, hatred, bigotry and small mindedness

in general would seem to be human problems, widespread if not universal.

Wish there was an herbal cure for this uglyness.  If there is, its probably

illegal.



   Some folks who wrote books might not have been impressed with native

american herbalism.  But the average josephine was impressed enough so that

almost every patent medicine there was claimed some sort of native herbal

connection! These people were willing to put there money where their mouths

were in affirming-

> gifts to humanity from savy and

>sophisticated NATIVE herbalists in viable, healthy cultures, whose

>discoveries deserve to be honored EVEN BEFORE they are 'validated' with a

>sniff from haughty science's monocled bigot

(great image)



The "noble savage" was wise and wonderful, but just as much a racist

stereotype as the "ignorant savage".



>Like it or not, we, as herbalists, are the inheritors of ancient and

>sophisticated cultures, and like it or not, we defend and archive and honor

>those cultures against the trivialization of our bigoted (or, to be polite,

>profoundly-naive and ethnocentric-by-default) culture and its various

>authorities and misconceptions. It is a historical trust that we receive

>from the plants, as another plant gift to Man...yet another gift from the

>earth 'above' us.



Yes! As i see it,  this trivialization now is mostly by new age folk.  What

i call raw untreated newage.  Lots of people seem quite willing to

trivialize things that i consider sacred to make a buck.  As for the

mainstream culture, i'd say its rapidly opening up to herbalism in general,

and most especially non-european herbalism. What is needed is people who

can separate truth from self serving fiction. People like paul, and others

on this list.



          As important as our herbal heritages are, they are all destined

to be tributaries to a much larger body of wisdom that is currently coming

together.Traditional chinese medicine is, IMO ,the biggest tribuatary to

this new science.  But surely the best is yet to come.  I read recently

that we have tested only about 5% of plant species and less than 1% of

fungus species for active botanical properties.  I can imagine TCM

expanding to cover the materia medica of the whole earth.  But it is easier

to imagine TCM itself merging into an evolving world medicine.

        Exciting times to be a herbalist.



                                        good health,

                                                        will





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Child Herbal Remedies

From: Colette Fontana <A9ANGEL@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:05:49 -0500



Hi, does anyone have a reference for a book on infant/children's herbal

remedies.  My 7 month old son has been afflicted with one thing after another

for the past three months, and I am worried about the quantities of

antibiotics and other medicines prescribed by the Doctor.  Some of the

conditions he has suffered from include ear infections, colds, coughs, and

fevers with no other symptoms which lasted up to 5 days.



Thanks for your input.



Colette



(Please reply to A9ANGEL@aol.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Newcomer searching for Commission E Monographs

From: Victoria Sue Kirk <vickik@FAST.NET>

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:49:00 EST



Hi Everyone, I'm a pharmacist who's a beginner at herbal remedies.  Assume I

know nothing.  For the past several years, I've been referring people

requesting phyto-/homeopathic remedies down to the Health Food Store without

giving it another thought.  This past summer, a botanist visited my gardens

and turned on the light.  As we trudged through the fields and woods, she

pointed out native plants and described their traditional medicinal

uses...verbascum, echinacea, blood root etc.  But I couldn't remember it all.

 I was trying to focus on identification.  She'd point out the hypericum

perforatum on the fields, which was not to be confused with my garden variety

hypericum calicynum, though both were commonly known as 'St. John's Wort'.

I'm no beginner gardener, but the day was overwhelming.



She recommended some herbal references (Tyler, Weiss) which helped me

understand why phyto-medicinals were not more extensively researched (and

published in journals pharmacists read) in the U.S.  Drug companies won't

spend money on something they can't patent.  Subsequent visits to Europe

opened up a whole new world where the regulatory process is quite different.

Herbal remedies are packaged with extensive labeling information and sold

along side the synthetics.  Every consumer can make an informed choice.



Back home, I've found the path to learning alternative remedies is like a

maze, with bits of information scattered all over the place and some goofy

stuff throw in between.  Several review articles refer to the 'Commission E

Monographs on Herbs, published in Germany.  The American Botanical Council

sells a translation for $150.  Does anyone know if they're listed anywhere on

the net?  This would be a big help because I'm still too incompetent to advise

customers, and yes, I still refer them down to the Health Food Store.



Thanks for the help, Victoria





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Newcomer searching for Commission E Monographs

From: Michael Bailes <frgntgar@FASTLINK.COM.AU>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:51:29 +1100



en.  Several review articles refer to the 'Commission E

>Monographs on Herbs, published in Germany.  The American Botanical Council

>sells a translation for $150.  Does anyone know if they're listed anywhere on

>the net?  This would be a big help because I'm still too incompetent to advise

>customers, and yes, I still refer them down to the Health Food Store.



Not quite printed yet Victoria but very soon ABC has its own web site











From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Newcomer searching for Commission E Monographs

From: Victoria Sue Kirk <vickik@FAST.NET>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 12:25:00 EST



American Botanical Council has a website (www.herbalgram.org), but they

haven't made available the English translations of the Commission E

Monographs.  Is there any other source of the Monographs on the net or do I

have to shell out $150?



Thanks again, Victoria





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: List of Books on cancer

From: Michael Bailes <frgntgar@FASTLINK.COM.AU>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 19:46:31 +1100



You might find these in your local library





6 Alternative Treatments Your Doctor Won't Tell You About";     Robert C.

Atkins, M.D.,                  Dr. Atkins in this 18 page booklet says, "It

is not necessary to find a cure for cancer; dozens of them have already

been found. 

What we must cure is the system which keeps these cures from

us."  ]



Anticancer Medicinal Herbs      Chang Minyi     $26.95  Anticancer plants

from China. 

Hardback 308 pages great value.



Arthritis Diet Cookbook, The    McIlwraith, Michael     $14.95



Boosting you Immune System      Corbett, Nancy  $16.95



Cancer and Natural Medicine     John Boik       $75     One of the best

summaries of what we know. Highly recommended.



Cancer Prevention and Nutritional Therapies     Richard A. Passwater Phd

$29.95



"Cancer Therapy," and "The Cancer Industry       Ralph W. Moss, Ph.D.,

Dr. Willner and Dr. Moss use 1,000 scientific references to back up

their claims that alternative treatments are generally more effective,

safer and less costly than the typical chemotherapy, surgery and radiation

that are so typically used in mainstream medicine for cancer treatment. It

appears that treatments like chelation therapy and proper nutrition,

together with avoidance of some of the harmful substances that we often

voluntarily ingest, could likely eliminate most disease in America, as many

experts point out.



Cancer  What to do about it     Ray Lowenthal   $24.95

Cancerproof your Body   Ross Horne      $16.95  What is cancer?  How is it

caused?  How can we prevent it happening to us?

Candida Albicans Special Diet Cookbook  Turner, Richard & Simonsen,

Elizabeth   $12.95



Complete Book of Juicing : Your delicious guide to helthful living

Michael T. Murray, N.D. $21.00

Diet and Prevention of Coronary Heart Disease & Cancer  various $105

Please ask for photocopy of contents page

Echinacea, Natures Immune Enhancer      Foster, Steven  $14.95          20

Echinacea: The Immune Herb!     Christopher Hobbs       $7.95

Evening Primrose Oil    Graham, Judy    $12.95          3

Experience in Treating Carcinomas with Traditional Chinese Medicine.    Shi

Lanling  &Shi Peiquan       $26.95          1

Fasting- the Buchinger method   Maria Buchinger $15.95

Food as Medicine: the miraculous healing power of food  Earl Mindell

$19.95

Food Pharmacy Cookbook, The     Carper, Jean    $16.95

Food Pharmacy, The      Carper, Jean    $16.95

Food Your Miracle Medicine - How food can prevent & cure over 100 symptoms

& problems   Carper, Jean    $29.95  Over 100 symptoms and conditions from

a minor stuffy nose to a potentially fatal cancer are dealt with in this

complete self help guide.



Foods that Fight Cancer Hausman, Patricia       $7.95   A diet and vitamin

programme that protects the entire family. Learn how to protect yourself

against cancer with simple vital dietary changes.

Gesundheit!     Dr. Patch Adams $16.95  An inspiring book on the future of

health care. An important book that needs to be read by all in the helping

professions. Dr. Adams has a dream of creating a hospital that heals

through humour, joy, sharing, service and caring. A fantasy?  No a dream

that is fast becoming a reality.

Good Health Food Guide :How to choose health foods and supplements to boost

your health Dr Eric Trimmer $19.95

Heal Cancer

Choose Your Own Survival Path       Dr Ruth Cilento $18.95  Dr

Cilento is a wholistic physician who uses her knowledge of nutrition,

immunology, herbs, stress control, visual imagry, colour, psychology and

counseling to teach us how to alter the course of disease.    1

Healing Foods   Last, Walter    $19.95

Healing Foods, The      Hausman, Patricia & Hurley, Judith Benn $10.95

Healing Foods, The      Hausman, Patricia & Hurley, Judith Benn $19.95sc

$39.95hc       A compendium of the foods that can help save your life.

Healing Power of Foods Cookbook - Over 150 Delicious Meat-Free recipes for

vibrant health       Michael T. Murray       $21.00          3

Healing Power of Foods : Nutrition secrets for vibrant health and long life

Michael T. Murray       $24.95



Herbs Against Cancer    Cynthia J. Sommers      $18.95

Holistic Approach to Cancer     Ian C. B. Pearce        $16.95          1

Kitchen Pharmacy : How to make your own remedies        Elliot, Rose & De

Paoli, Carlo  $24.95

Meditation Pure & Simple        Ian Gawler      $16.95          1

Nutrition Almanac       Gayla Kirschmann & John Kirschmann      $34.95

Excellent well researched heath manual for lay and professional.

recommended.

494 pages softcover

Nutritional Medicine - The drug free guide to better family health

Davies, Dr. Stephen & Stewart, Dr. Alan $19.95

Pau d'Arco: Immune Power from the Rain Forest   Kenneth Jones   $16.95. ".

. an excellent readable survey of Pau D'Arco, its development and use. . .

. This is the best single source of information on Pau D'Arco. . . "

 -

Stephen Foster  Foster's Botanical and Herb Reviews Summer 1995

Plants used Against Cancer a Survey      LLoydia

Skin Wise : A guide to health skin for women    Annette Callan  $19.95

1

Spontaneous Healing     Andrew Weil     $29.95. "Dr Weil writes clearly,

wisely, brilliantly, about our inborn healing abilities.  This book may

save your life" - Dean Ornish M.D.     1

Super Foods     Barbera Griggs & Michael Van Straten    $24.95  The cookery

book that combines recipes using delicious natural ingredients with a guide

to the therapeutic properties of common foods to improve your health.

The Antioxidants        Richard Passwater       $6.95           1

The Cancer Solution     Robert E. Willner, M.D., Ph.D.,

Robert E. Willner, M.D., Ph.D., author or "The Cancer Solution," says (p.

291) "There is no question that individuals who have chosen non -

conventional therapies first have gotten better results in the treatment of

cancer than those who opted for chemotherapy, radiation or mutilating

surgery. Unfortunately, most patients choose immune - destructive therapies

first."

The Immune Support Cookbook     Mary Hale &Chris Miller $29.95  Easy,

delicious recipes to spport your heath if you are HIV positive or suffer

from CFIDS, Cancer, or other degenerative diseases.Sugar, wheat &dairy free

recipes.Small 186page, hardback.     1

The Natural Way - Cancer: A Comprehensive Guide to Effective Treatment.

Philip Barron   $11.95

Treatment of Cancer by Integrated Chinese - Western Medicine, The

Dai-Zhao, Zhang & Flaws, Bob    $27.95

Vitamins Against Cancer Kedar N. Prasad $12.95







From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: List of Books on cancer

From: Ela Wierzchowska <elka@ALPIE.ALPLAST.COM.PL>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:54:35 -0800



Dear List,





 I am very grateful to Michael he has indicates us so many good resources on cancer.

Unfortunately it is not possible to majority of these books in "LOCAL LIBRARY IN POLAND"

Only  Jean Carper's and Earl Mindell's books are available in our libraries!

I have never seen in Polish library an alternative book specifically about cancer!

Maybe Michael himself or somebody else from the list may indicate a www. site

from where it would be possible to download an electronic version of any?

Or what should I do to buy some:"Anticancer medicinal herbs" by Chiang Minyi

for example or other?

Thank you in advance for all info



                     Ela Wierzchowska(Poland)

                     elka@alplast.com.p  l















Michael Bailes wrote:

>

> You might find these in your local library

>

> 6 Alternative Treatments Your Doctor Won't Tell You About";     Robert C.

> Atkins, M.D.,                  Dr. Atkins in this 18 page booklet says, "It

> is not necessary to find a cure for cancer; dozens of them have already

> been found. What we must cure is the system which keeps these cures from

> us."  ]

>

> Anticancer Medicinal Herbs      Chang Minyi     $26.95  Anticancer plants

> from China. Hardback 308 pages great value.

>

> Arthritis Diet Cookbook, The    McIlwraith, Michael     $14.95

>

> Boosting you Immune System      Corbett, Nancy  $16.95





















>

> Cancer and Natural Medicine     John Boik       $75     One of the best

> summaries of what we know. Highly recommended.

>

> Cancer Prevention and Nutritional Therapies     Richard A. Passwater Phd

> $29.95

>

> "Cancer Therapy," and "The Cancer Industry       Ralph W. Moss, Ph.D.,

> Dr. Willner and Dr. Moss use 1,000 scientific references to back up

> their claims that alternative treatments are generally more effective,

> safer and less costly than the typical chemotherapy, surgery and radiation

> that are so typically used in mainstream medicine for cancer treatment. It

> appears that treatments like chelation therapy and proper nutrition,

> together with avoidance of some of the harmful substances that we often

> voluntarily ingest, could likely eliminate most disease in America, as many

> experts point out.

>

> Cancer  What to do about it     Ray Lowenthal   $24.95

> Cancerproof your Body   Ross Horne      $16.95  What is cancer?  How is it

> caused?  How can we prevent it happening to us?

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: List of Books on cancer

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:44:31 -0800



>Or what should I do to buy some:"Anticancer medicinal herbs" by Chiang Minyi

>for example or other?



Why bother? You wouldn't find the Chinese herbs there anyhow, nor are many

of them is broad commerce through entrepreneurial websites. It is best to

pursue European solutions to European cases of cancer.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: List of Books on cancer

From: Ellen Mizzell <ellen@TICTAC.DEMON.CO.UK>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 00:24:30 +0000



On Sat, 23 Nov 1996, Ela Wierzchowska wrote:



> Dear List,

>

>

>  I am very grateful to Michael he has indicates us so many good resources on cancer.

> Unfortunately it is not possible to majority of these books in "LOCAL LIBRARY IN POLAND"

> Only  Jean Carper's and Earl Mindell's books are available in our libraries!

> I have never seen in Polish library an alternative book specifically about cancer!

> Maybe Michael himself or somebody else from the list may indicate a www. site

> from where it would be possible to download an electronic version of any?

> Or what should I do to buy some:"Anticancer medicinal herbs" by Chiang Minyi

> for example or other?



You can buy books from http://www.books.com, with a credit card.  It's

not cheap, because you have to pay shipping.  If they don't list the books

you want, I believe they will get them, if you can supply the details.



Instead of buying Chinese herbs, you might consider telephoning the

Registry of Chinese Medicine in London (44-181-883-8431).  They may be

able to put you in touch with Chinese herbalists in Poland.



Ellen Mizzell





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: List of Books on cancer

From: Michael Bailes <frgntgar@FASTLINK.COM.AU>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 17:20:01 +1100



>Maybe Michael himself or somebody else from the list may indicate a www. site

>from where it would be possible to download an electronic version of any?

>Or what should I do to buy some:"Anticancer medicinal herbs" by Chiang Minyi

>for example or other?

>Thank you in advance for all info

>

>                     Ela Wierzchowska(Poland)

>                     elka@alplast.com.p  l

1.We stock most of these books in our bookshop. Postage will be expensive.



2.We need a site for out of print herbals to be put on the web. I would be

happy to share my collection of rare herbals if someone can think of away

to do it. There are copyright problems with in-print books.





Michael Bailes

The Fragrant Garden

Portsmouth Road

Erina. N.S.W. 2250

Australia.

Int fax 61 43 651979 Phone 043 677322

frgntgar@worldgrp.fastlink.com.au (Michael Bailes)

I would be happy to send an electronic copy of The Fragrant Garden Friend's

Newsletter Number 11 to anyone who can handle it. It is 16 A4 pages long

You need Adobe Acrobat distiller (shareware);lots of RAM and a server that

can handle 1mg files. It takes about 10-15minutes to download. It is best

printed on HP premium paper.

(The TGFN Newsletter is available by snail mail to Friends at $20 (Aus)PA)

We are reorgansing libray and doing a clean up and have found some

duplicates old books we would like to sell. If you would like a list please

let me know









From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: List of Books on cancer

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 13:04:58 -0500



               The Center for Advancement in Cancer Education

               300 E. Lancaster Ave. Suite 100

               Wynnewood, PA  19096



has many books on cancer and natural remedies.  They also have telephone

counseling and food preparation seminars and videotapes.  610-642-4810.



     The Association was started by Susan Silberstein, Ph.D., whose husband

died of cancer early in their marriage.  She had dedicated her life and work

to helping people achieve good health through herbs, nutrition and detox.

 They are non profit.



     Another group, founded by Edgar Cayce,  the Association for Research and

Enlightenment (A.R.E.), has a library of books and video tapes on natural

healing and other subjects which is available for use by members.  For

information on this and A.R.E. bookstore call 1-800-723-1112.  Their email

is: are@webartisans.com





Good luck Ela.



See ya!       ;  )    Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL.COM



     Non-Force Chiropractic Techniques





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Home study courses

From: Gail Kulak <g_kulak@LITLE.NET>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:37:22 -0500



I am interested in finding out if anyone out there has information regarding

herbal home study courses.  In particular, I have received the curriculum

from the Clayton School.  I would like to know if anyone else has taken this

course of study and if it is of good quality.



Please reply to me in personally at:  g_kulak@litle.net



Thanks in advance for your response!

Gail





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Home study courses

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:19:54 GMT



On Sat, 23 Nov 1996 15:37:22 -0500, in  Gail Kulak <g_kulak@LITLE.NET> wrote:



>I am interested in finding out if anyone out there has information regarding

>herbal home study courses.  In particular, I have received the curriculum

>from the Clayton School.  I would like to know if anyone else has taken this

>course of study and if it is of good quality.

>

>Please reply to me in personally at:  g_kulak@litle.net



If you check the medicinal herbfaq (part 7, I think) you'll find a discussion on

herbal correspondence courses in general and Clayton in particular.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Liver disease

From: "susan l. jenkins" <sljenkins@GREENHEART.COM>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 16:14:46 -0800



Hi to all,



I would appreciate any information on herbs that should be avoided if

one has chronic liver disease.  I've found information on herbs that are

good for the liver, but I assume there are probably others that

shouldn't be used at all or only for short durations of time.



Thanks,



Susan





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: child herb remedies

From: jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 21:43:18 -0800



>

>Hi, does anyone have a reference for a book on infant/children's herbal

>remedies.  My 7 month old son has been afflicted with one thing after another

>for the past three months, and I am worried about the quantities of

>antibiotics and other medicines prescribed by the Doctor.  Some of the

>conditions he has suffered from include ear infections, colds, coughs, and

>fevers with no other symptoms which lasted up to 5 days.

>

>Thanks for your input.

>





Colette you can try "The Herbal for Mother and Child by Anne MacIntyre, an

English herbalist well known in paediatric haerbalism in the UK. Published

by Element Inc.

Unfortunately antibiotics are the main cause of repeated chronic illness in

young children, especially Otitis media. That book will suggest ways you

can help your son resolve infection, build his strength and immune

resistance and do without antibiotics.



jonathan





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Urinary Tract Astringents

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 00:52:39 -0800



At 04:15 PM 11/22/96 -0600, Kim Walker wrote:

>I have been battling a UTI for approx. two weeks now,..

----------------------------------Snip--------------------------------------

>Does anyone know of any other herbal remedies that might assist in

>kicking this once and for all?



Some local herbs from here (that's Oregon):



Urinary Tract Antiseptic/astringent/diuretic



Pipsissewa - Chimaphila spp. milder astringent than uva ursi, more diuretic

than it. Good when the stronger astringents are too irritating. (whole above

ground plant)



Pyrola spp. - more or less the same as Pipsissewa, but local species vary.

Grows where you should be able to find Pipsissewa, but can't. (whole above

ground plant)



Kinnikkinnik, Uva Ursi -Matted creeping Arctostaphylos spp. (A. uva-ursi and

others) - the standard UT astringent, I compare the others to it. Not too

irritating an astringent, good diuretic action. I feel ALL the matted

creeping Arctostaphylos ssp. are of value, not just A. uva-ursi, and use

them interchangeably. (leaves)



Manzanita - shrubby Arctostaphylos spp. - The leaves are to me more

astringent and less diuretic than uva-ursi, a bit harsh, not to use alone,

but mixed with others for the extra "kick" of astringency.



Madrone - Arbutus menziesii - These leaves seem similar or more astringent

than the Manzanita.



Huckleberry/Blueberry/Bilberry-Vaccinium spp. These leaves seems similar to

uva-ursi, between it and Pipsissewa/Pyrola in strength. Less irritating than

uva ursi. Species vary.



Juniper Berries - Juniperus spp. way too harsh to use alone, always mix with

other herbs. I don't like to use it myself. But there are so many choices

available to me, that I never need to.



This is all my opinion, the herbs vary from species to species, place to

place, and year to year. They defy classifications, and you might think them

to be different if you taste them. In fact this spring the Manzanita I

tasted was way less strong an astringent than the uva-ursi, but it isn't

usually that way to me . Fine. I'm making this all up as I go.



Other Herbs of Interest



Dandelion - always the nontoxic friend, I take liberal amounts of the root

for almost any UTI. (clearing diuretic).



Willow/Oak/Poplar... etc. - The standard white willow salicylate containing

herbs, the salicylic compounds are excreted through the urinary tract ....

both astringent and analgesic topically in this case. It's the band-aid herb

that makes it feel better but doesn't really help the problem that much.



A Last Word



This post is relation to materia medica, the herbs and their qualities as I

have experienced them. Not to Kim's UTI specifically. For that things become

a bit more complicated. Assuming that she has a UTI infection only, and that

the UTI is not a symptom of something else, and that it is even a UTI and

not another problem completely misdiagnosed (hey, you have to know what's

wrong with you before you can deal with it ... all the Oregon Grape in the

world won't help your swollen lymph nodes if it's really whiplash!) ... then

there are different kinds of infections. Some will respond to these herbs,

some won't. Is the urine alkaline or acidic, caused by food binges, a little

too much "sharing of the bacons", or antibiotics,  and so on. no magic

bullet, but for a simple UTI, the list above is a good starting place.



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"I hope that's Valerian I smell!"





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Top 10 herbs for home med garden?

From: Sharon Gordon <gordonse@IAC.NET>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:04:49 -0500



I am working on planning my 1997 garden areas.  I'd like to start a

new bed of medicinal herbs.



What do you think are the most important ones I should plant to

start with?  ...Say the top 10 or so most likely to be useful?



Sharon

gordonse@iac.net





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Top 10 herbs for home med garden?

From: Randy Froeba <htcw@GNA.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:58:58 -0600



Sharon Gordon wrote:

>

> I am working on planning my 1997 garden areas.  >

> Sharon

> gordonse@iac.net

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Sharon,

Your location will tell you what you can grow and when to plant.

What "zone" are you in??

Randy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Top 10 herbs for home med garden?

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 13:28:25 PST



Would like to send my suggestions but answer this first.... What are

your growing conditions. Country, State, ,Zone, soil, etc. So many of

the really useful plants have specific growing needs.  KB

-------------------------------------

E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 11/29/96

Time: 1:28:25 PM



This message was sent by Chameleon

-------------------------------------





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: UTI-2 other possibilities

From: Sharon Gordon <gordonse@IAC.NET>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:43:08 -0500



I have known of people who suffered from UTI symptoms as a result

of being allergic to citric acid.  After avoiding things

with citric acid(citrus fruits, tomatoes, softdrinks, Mrs. Dash,

Crystal Light, an amazing amount of other food products)  their

UTI symptoms were gone.



I have also seen a few people who had UTI symptoms as a reaction to

Neutrasweet.



Sharon

gordonse@iac.net





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI-2 other possibilities

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:48:21 -0800



>I have known of people who suffered from UTI symptoms as a result

>of being allergic to citric acid.  After avoiding things

>with citric acid(citrus fruits, tomatoes, softdrinks, Mrs. Dash,

>Crystal Light, an amazing amount of other food products)  their

>UTI symptoms were gone.



Probably not UTI in that case.



>I have also seen a few people who had UTI symptoms as a reaction to

>Neutrasweet.

>

>Sharon

>gordonse@iac.net



NutriSweet is not very good for you, no.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: pet herb remedies

From: Celeste <ckubasta@PIONEER.STATE.ND.US>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:55:39 -0800



Can anyone help me on a treatment for ear infection in dogs?  My vets

says its something that will reoccur over her lifetime - especially when

she gets stressed.  The medicine comes to $46 each time but it's also

the fact she has to suffer with this repeatedly.  Is there an immune

boosting program for dogs?  I have a Dalmation that weighs about 60+

pounds, spoiled, and a lover (not a mean bone in her) Help!!!  My work

life is always stressful and she is the stress-reduction tool here and I

don't want her ill because of it.  -- Celeste





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pet herb remedies

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 09:49:55 -0800



>> Can anyone help me on a treatment for ear infection in dogs?  My vets

>> says its something that will reoccur over her lifetime - especially when

>> she gets stressed.  The medicine comes to $46 each time but it's also

>> the fact she has to suffer with this repeatedly.  Is there an immune

>> boosting program for dogs?  I have a Dalmation that weighs about 60+

>> pounds, spoiled, and a lover (not a mean bone in her) Help!!!  My work

>> life is always stressful and she is the stress-reduction tool here and I

>> don't want her ill because of it.  -- Celeste



If the dog is very sweet-natured, as you say, try a single dose of

homeopathic Pulsatilla 30 (C or X). It might help quite a bit, and a single

dose is harmless.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pet herb remedies

From: "susan l. jenkins" <sljenkins@GREENHEART.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 11:13:03 -0800



>Can anyone help me on a treatment for ear infection in dogs?



Hi Celeste,



One of my dogs has also had a problem with chronic ear infections, which I

believe are related to allergies he has. I've tried a number of different

things, but what has worked best for him are herbal remedies for earaches that

contain mullein, garlic and echinacea.  I use this on a regular basis as a

preventive measure, more so in humid or wet weather.  The brand doesn't seem to

matter, nor the fact that I usually buy products intended for people, although

there are specific herbal remedies for dogs.  I have some herb catalogues that

contain these products if you're interested.



As an aside, I recently started taking my dog to a holistic vet who treats him

with acupuncture, homeopathics, and Chinese herbal remedies.  His overall health

has improved, especially his problems with allergies, hip dysplasia,

indigestion, low thyroid, and sometimes aggressive behavior.  The causes of his

problems are now being treated, not just their symptoms, and we're both happier.



Hope this helps,



Susan





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pet herb remedies

From: "V. Suzanne Drake" <tanager@CRL.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 13:55:14 -0800



Susan, are the dog ear remedies that you mentioned in your post given to

the dog internally or put in his ear, please.  Suzanne





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pet herb remedies

From: "V. Suzanne Drake" <tanager@CRL.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 16:10:46 -0800



> Paul Iannone wrote:

> >

> > If the dog is very sweet-natured, as you say, try a single dose of

> > homeopathic Pulsatilla 30 (C or X). It might help quite a bit, and a single

> > dose is harmless.

> >

> > Paul

> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Paul, why does the dog need to be sweet-natured, and please how do you

administer the Pulsatilla 30 (C or X).  In the ear, down the throat, what?

Suzanne





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pet herb remedies

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:28:18 -0800



>> Paul Iannone wrote:

>> >

>> > If the dog is very sweet-natured, as you say, try a single dose of

>> > homeopathic Pulsatilla 30 (C or X). It might help quite a bit, and a

>>single

>> > dose is harmless.

>> >

>> > Paul

>> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

>Paul, why does the dog need to be sweet-natured, and please how do you

>administer the Pulsatilla 30 (C or X).  In the ear, down the throat, what?

>Suzanne



Because it is a constitutional therapy based on psychological guess, in an

animal's case. Good-natured, amative persons who have earaches sometimes

respond to Pulsatilla very well...in a dog's case, my experience is that

the dose doesn't have to be as precisely chosen as is needed in a human's

case. But you wouldn't at the same time give Pulsatilla to a grumpy, sulky

dog.



Homeopathics are administered very easily. You just hold the dog's snout

open, and pour the contents of the bottle (or dose) in. In a cat's case,

you have to make sure the cat's mouth is wet enough, or that the cat's

mouth is kept closed long enough that the medicine is moistened. In neither

case does it need to be swallowed.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pet herb remedies

From: Robin Dorey Deerfield Academy-library <rdorey@K12.OIT.UMASS.EDU>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:21:58 -0500



Hi Celeste,

You might want to loook into a book called _The Natural Remedy Book for Dogs

and Cats_ by Diane Stein.  It is published byThe Crossing Press in Freedom,

CA.  I have a paperback edition which costs about 16.95.  It might be

helpful.  The author had a veterinarian check out her info so it seems

authentic.  Good Luck.  Robin Dorey





>

>Can anyone help me on a treatment for ear infection in dogs?  My vets

>says its something that will reoccur over her lifetime - especially when

>she gets stressed.  The medicine comes to $46 each time but it's also

>the fact she has to suffer with this repeatedly.  Is there an immune

>boosting program for dogs?  I have a Dalmation that weighs about 60+

>pounds, spoiled, and a lover (not a mean bone in her) Help!!!  My work

>life is always stressful and she is the stress-reduction tool here and I

>don't want her ill because of it.  -- Celeste

>

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pet herb remedies

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 21:34:37 -0900



At 09:55 AM 11/24/96 -0800, Celeste wrote:

>Can anyone help me on a treatment for ear infection in dogs?  My vets

>says its something that will reoccur over her lifetime - especially when

>she gets stressed.  The medicine comes to $46 each time but it's also

>the fact she has to suffer with this repeatedly.  Is there an immune

>boosting program for dogs?  I have a Dalmation that weighs about 60+

>pounds, spoiled, and a lover (not a mean bone in her) Help!!!  My work

>life is always stressful and she is the stress-reduction tool here and I

>don't want her ill because of it.  -- Celeste

>

>

Washing the ear with a boric acid solution can help.  Just squirt some

solution into the ear making sure it goes deep into the canal and massage

behind and below the ear. You should be able to hear it sloshing around as

you massage. You can also use a diluted tincture of myrrh and goldenseal

with good effect.  I was told that dogs sometimes cannot get all they need

from regular dog food so I feed my dog fish a couple times a week.  I can my

own salmon for this purpose.  You might consider adding fish oil to her

diet.  It will make her coat shiny. I also use brewers yeast and kelp in the

food.  My dog loves it.

***********************************************************

*Angelica spp.:  "A water distilled from the root eases   *

*                all pains and torments coming of cold    *

*                and wind."                               *

*Nicolas Culpeper, 1653                                   *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pet herb remedies

From: "susan l. jenkins" <sljenkins@GREENHEART.COM>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 08:22:35 -0800



V. Suzanne Drake wrote:

> Susan, are the dog ear remedies that you mentioned in your post given to

> the dog internally or put in his ear, please.  Suzanne



Oops, sorry for being so vague.  The remedy I use is put into the dog's ears,

usually just a drop or two (it has an oil base), which I then massage down into the

ear canal.  If this doesn't work for you there are other products that are intended

to keep the ear canal dry, e.g. Epi-otic, that you can find in a number of pet

supply stores.



Susan





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Concrete Herbal  Discussion

From: Gary Malm <gmalm@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 10:52:20 -0800



Paul,



 I am looking for information about the following formula which claims to

 treat headaches and facial pain (TN possibly). Perhaps you might be able

 to shed some light on what kind of IMBALANCE this formula is addressing.



 Ophiopogon and Asarum Combination (Qing Shang Juan Tong Tang---Ching

 Chang Chuan Tung

 Tang)



 The ingredients are:    Ledebouriellae radix-Fang feng

                         Asari herba com radice-Xi Xin

                         Notopterygii rhizoma-Qiang huo

                         Cnidii rhizoma-Chuan xiong

                         Angelicae dahuricae radix-Bai zhi

                         Viticis fructus-Man jing zi

                         Ophiopogonis tuber-Mai men dong

                         Chrysanthemi flos-ju hua

                         Angelicae tuhuo radix-Du huo

                         Atractylodis lanceae rhizoma-Cang shu

                         Scutellariae radix-Huang qin

                         Angelicae radix-Dang gui

                         Zingiberis siccatumn rhizoma-Gan jiang

                         Glycyrrhizae radix-Gan cao



 Source: Wan Bing Hui Chun (Bring Spring Back to Myriad Diseases)

 Under function it says 'dispels wind and relieves pain'.



 A friend faxed  me a photocopy of this one page...not much for me to go

 on here, any thoughts?



 Thanks,

 Gary





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: UTI vs UTI symptoms

From: Sharon Gordon <gordonse@IAC.NET>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:54:47 -0500



In my previous post, about citric acid and nutrasweet leading to

UTI symptoms, I didn't make it clear that these people would go

to the doctor who would find no bacteria in the urine tests.

However they had all the other symptoms of UTI.



When they eliminated the citric acid items or nutrasweet, their

symptoms cleared up.



Some people all so run into trouble with things that have caffeine

in them or a chemical that begins with a t and is in tea (besides

tannin).



Having said all of this, there is probably a person or two

who have a UTI and a reaction to citric acid, etc.



Anyone run accross any herbs that counteract the citric acid

problem?  This would be a great help since many people

could benefit from other aspects of lemons or tomatoes for

example.



Sharon

gordonse@iac.net





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI vs UTI symptoms

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 15:48:15 -0800



>In my previous post, about citric acid and nutrasweet leading to

>UTI symptoms, I didn't make it clear that these people would go

>to the doctor who would find no bacteria in the urine tests.

>However they had all the other symptoms of UTI.



Of course not, they aren't infections.



>Some people all so run into trouble with things that have caffeine

>in them or a chemical that begins with a t and is in tea (besides

>tannin).



Theophylline. But actually, tea doesn't contain 'tannin.' That's an old

misunderstanding. Tea has both caffeine and theophylline in it, btw.



>Anyone run accross any herbs that counteract the citric acid

>problem?  This would be a great help since many people

>could benefit from other aspects of lemons or tomatoes for

>example.

>

>Sharon

>gordonse@iac.net



Herb for that? The point is that the intolerance of astringent fruit acids

is very commonplace, and points to a simple fact: that these people

shouldn't eat too much fruit acid. Beyond that, it says that they probably

have Heat in their Bladders, usually from stress, and are often dehydrated,

usually due to coffee drinking. The astringing of that Heat is problematic.



So the proper 'herb' is less stress, more water, and no coffee.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI vs UTI symptoms

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 00:06:33 -0500



In a message dated 96-11-24 18:51:51 EST, you write:



>Herb for that? The point is that the intolerance of astringent fruit acids

>is very commonplace, and points to a simple fact: that these people

>shouldn't eat too much fruit acid. Beyond that, it says that they probably

>have Heat in their Bladders, usually from stress, and are often dehydrated,

>usually due to coffee drinking. The astringing of that Heat is problematic.

>

>So the proper 'herb' is less stress, more water, and no coffee.

>

>Paul

>

>



Paul,



Would that apply to the Intersticial (spelling?) Cystitis that plagues so

many women and for which there does not seem to be any solution? Or is there

something more going on in these cases?



Thanks,



Kathy





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: UTI vs UTI symptoms

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:35:01 -0800



>>So the proper 'herb' is less stress, more water, and no coffee.

>>

>>Paul

>>

>>

>

>Paul,

>

>Would that apply to the Intersticial (spelling?) Cystitis that plagues so

>many women and for which there does not seem to be any solution? Or is there

>something more going on in these cases?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Kathy



Interstitial cystitis is Kidney Heat, 99.9% of the time. Modern 'science'

can go around mystified about this illness, but I've never seen a case that

wasn't blatantly obvious. Unfortunately, when you refuse to study LIFESTYLE

(not sufficiently 'scientific'), and your only therapies are drugs, then

you wander blind. Oh well.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Growing Ginseng

From: Jeanne DuPrau <JDUPRAU@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:58:06 -0500



Does anyone know if you can grow either American ginseng or Siberian ginseng

in the San Francisco bay area?  And if so, anyone know of a source for

getting the plants or the seeds?





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Growing Ginseng

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:14:43 EST



oH, Btw, I have compiled my own list of herbs, vitamins, food, beverages

that I would like a comment on warnings of any, please.  Dandelion root,

siberian ginseng, kava kava, gotu kola (i don't have yet), St. Johnswort,

(not to mention phyto proz which could have been a mistake), peppermint,

chamomile (i love for relaxing), licorice root in a tea & also gingerroot

(bengal spice tea), kelp, dong quai,  vit. e, alfalfa, whole grains, low

amount red meat, tuna, salmon, chicken, garlic (i understand the raw is

better), much veggies, water, water and cutting caffeine out and diet

items out.  Exercise, moderate is wise I understand. Part time job could

help as I have a new one.  I still don't know where I am going to get the

plants to grow them myself.  All I have is parsley, thyme (good for

colds), tarragon, rosemary.  Herbs are not the easiest things to grow.

They are looking a bit haggard.   I could not get a response from

Richters to order or Taylors in Calif.  HELP

lINDA





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Growing Ginseng

From: Paul & Kathy Sedler <smeherbs@MAKO.COM>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 01:11:14 -0800



The growing conditions are shady and cool, and you most likely have those

there!!!  I have just a few seeds left if you want to email your address.  I

will also enclose complete instructions for growing.

Kathy



At 06:58 PM 11/24/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Does anyone know if you can grow either American ginseng or Siberian ginseng

>in the San Francisco bay area?  And if so, anyone know of a source for

>getting the plants or the seeds?

>

Kathy McQuade-Sedler

email SMEHerbs@mako.com or SMEHerbs@aol.com

Sedler's Mother Earth Herbs - 5272-A West Gold Ct.,

Beale AFB, CA  95903 - 916-788-0138

FAX 916-788-0849 (not dedicated line)



Honor yourself, so that you may honor others in

greater measure.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: update on me

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 19:35:53 EST



Hello, folks. I have been lurking about, reading my new herb books, Way

of Herbs, The Web That Has No Weaver, and Herbal Emissaries; reading

herbal magazines, looking, looking, looking for chinese herbs in

Oklahoma.  The Way of Herbs is very simplistic, which I like.  The Web

and Herbal Emissaries are a bit over my head I think.  I really like the

warnings in Herbal Emissaries.  The Web W/N Weaver is so complex.  I will

have to go to Okla. City and see if I can scrounge up a chinese medicine

store in no telling what part of town (since I am originally from Ark.).

It is really frustrating.  I am convinced I have and i am willing to

accept the fact of the diagnosis of LOW BLOOD SUGAR, like it or not.  I

am beginning to accept that it is a serious condition.  I am, however, a

little out of control of the sugar eating still.  Better, at least

mentally, convinced that I need to stay away from IT(sugar) and fruits,

Ok.  It is not easy, but I do feel better, more alert, more in control of

my emotions, more focused, and least but not last, HEALTHIER.  I am

putting off seeing the naturopath doctor until after Christmas, as I am

not convinced he will not be halfway "taking me for a ride".  How I wish

there were some Chinese medicine/herbal practitioners here in Okla.

Another reason I would leave this town. Ha. So, I have read of a

possibility of "underground" chinese medicine people around the various

oriental "exercise" (for lack of a better word) places.  If anyone wants

to take a trip here to look at my eyes, feel my pulse let me know.  I am

not holding my breath that anyone is going to be heading this way anytime

soon.



I found chamomile dried flowers (manzanilla) and mint (yerba buena) at

the grocery a little bit ago.  Anyone know if this mint is good for tea?



If no one is interested, just pass me by.  Thanks to those who want to

reply.

Linda   HAPPY THANKSGIVING





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: update on me

From: Gary Malm <gmalm@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 17:29:47 -0800



Linda K Shipley wrote:

>

> Hello, folks. I have been lurking about, reading my new herb books  I will

> have to go to Okla. City and see if I can scrounge up a chinese medicine....



Linda, do you live near Norman,OK? If so try contacting:

Xiaohai Li D.O.M. (405) 579

7888 or FAX 579-7890 in Norman, OK



I understand he was trained in China with over 20 years experience.



Gary





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: update on me

From: Lisa Contreras <LMCONT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 23:14:27 EST



Hi Linda:





   Manzanilla is chamomile in English and is a VERY good tea herb.  Great for r

relaxation and a mild sleep herb as well as for other things.  Yerbabuena is

good for arthritis and other aches and pains.





 Hope this helps.



Lisa Contreras





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: update on me

From: Cynthia Konow <CKONOW@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 01:16:21 -0500



Dear Linda,

I'm kind of new to this all, but I read your posting about frustration

related to a hypoglycemic (?) condition.  I am currently seeing a doc thru my

HMO who is actually taking a novel approach to my treatment.  Basically, a

vegan food plan is in place to allay my sugar issues.  If you would like more

detail about it, feel free to contact me.  Good Luck...Cynthia





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: update on me

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:46:56 -0800



>Dear Linda,

>I'm kind of new to this all, but I read your posting about frustration

>related to a hypoglycemic (?) condition.  I am currently seeing a doc thru my

>HMO who is actually taking a novel approach to my treatment.  Basically, a

>vegan food plan is in place to allay my sugar issues.  If you would like more

>detail about it, feel free to contact me.  Good Luck...Cynthia



A Vegan diet is NOT good therapy for hypoglycemia. Increasing raw foods

does not improve Digestion, it makes it worse. What you need to do if stop

eating desserts, and quit the coffee.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: update on me

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:28:13 EST



Paul,

You're killing me. I don't drink coffee.  I'm trying to quit desserts.

Sometimes I rationalize and my mind plays tricks on me.  I end up at home

with the Amish Friendship bread (choc. bread with choc. chips).  I gave

some away but not til after I ate more than my share. Really.  Don't give

up on me. I am working on it.  Maybe you should landblast me a few times

with the facts. Hope you have a happy turkey day.

Oh yeah, I've been reading (are you shocked) that stevia is blood sugar

balancing.  It is VERY sweet.  I really don't know the ratio to sugar in

case I were to add it to a recipe in place of other sugar.  Do you know?

Thanks,

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Concrete Herbal Discussion

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 18:42:05 -0800



>Paul,

>

> I am looking for information about the following formula which claims to

> treat headaches and facial pain (TN possibly). Perhaps you might be able

> to shed some light on what kind of IMBALANCE this formula is addressing.

>

> Ophiopogon and Asarum Combination (Qing Shang Juan Tong Tang---Ching

> Chang Chuan Tung

> Tang)



Qing Shang means to Clearaway Attack (by Cold); Juan Tong means to Unbind

Pain. Tang means decoction.



> The ingredients are:    Ledebouriellae radix-Fang feng

>                         Asari herba com radice-Xi Xin

>                         Notopterygii rhizoma-Qiang huo

>                         Cnidii rhizoma-Chuan xiong

>                         Angelicae dahuricae radix-Bai zhi

>                         Viticis fructus-Man jing zi

>                         Ophiopogonis tuber-Mai men dong

>                         Chrysanthemi flos-ju hua

>                         Angelicae tuhuo radix-Du huo

>                         Atractylodis lanceae rhizoma-Cang shu

>                         Scutellariae radix-Huang qin

>                         Angelicae radix-Dang gui

>                         Zingiberis siccatumn rhizoma-Gan jiang

>                         Glycyrrhizae radix-Gan cao

>

> Source: Wan Bing Hui Chun (Bring Spring Back to Myriad Diseases)

> Under function it says 'dispels wind and relieves pain'.



A better translation is: 'From 10,000 Diseases, Return to Spring.' How or

why you would want to bring Spring back to diseases is beyond me.



> A friend faxed  me a photocopy of this one page...not much for me to go

> on here, any thoughts?

>

> Thanks,

> Gary



TN is a difficult, but no insoluble condition to treat. It requires an

actual diagnosis of CAUSE, not random treatment.



This formula is a general formula for head pain. Since it is general, it

leans heavily to the relief of pain, and not to syndrome differentiation.

Since head pain is often due to Cold (the head being exposed to it in cold

seasons), and since pain-relieving herbs are usually Hot in nature (since

pain is due to Stagnation of Qi, and they Move Qi by Warming, Movement

being itself Warm) the syndromes it treats are those due to Cold

accumulating in the Channels.



The question is the source of this Cold. In my experience, much TN is a

result of longterm faulty lifestyle. In such cases, it is critical to

resolve the lifestyle problem as THE PRIMARY METHOD OF TREATMENT. Thus, if

you eat sporadically, you will have an empty Channel system at times during

the day, and Cold will accumulate where Qi is missing. The answer is not

herbs in such cases...it is proper diet.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Racism and plant medicine

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 22:58:44 EST



Will wrote:

<. Personally, i can quote the i ching and tao te ching at great

length and have hardly ever opened a bible. >



Well, it makes no sense to ignore traditional compilations of knowledge,

even if they are European.  You'd miss, for example, Isaiah's curing of

Hezekiah's boils by using a poultice of figs.



Let us honor all traditions so that we can discover the truth in each.



Karen





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Racism and plant medicine

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 18:42:39 -0800



><. Personally, i can quote the i ching and tao te ching at great

>length and have hardly ever opened a bible. >

>

>Well, it makes no sense to ignore traditional compilations of knowledge,

>even if they are European.



The Bible is hardly European. But regardless of origin, there is very

little there to compete with the Tao De Jing, with the exception of some of

Jesus's paradoxical sayings. You could compare the (bulk of the) Bible with

Confucius, perhaps.



Generality is often held up as the highest good, as if any of us live long

enough to actually pay all traditions some sort of 'due.' Personally, I

only have time to glean what is directly useful...not uphold catholic

idealisms. Not all traditions are the highpoint of human endeavor.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB and Cancer posts

From: jonathan treasure <jonno@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 11:05:23 -0800



Just my my two cents worth in respect of cancer enquiries to this list, and

some of the larger postings that have been defended by those concerned. Of

course this  list is free,

and operates by consensus, with Paul's help :) , but it should be

remembered by newcomers  looking for cancer related information that a)

this is predominantly a lay persons list  about herbs b) there are copious

resources on various cancers,  strategies, therapies etc on and off the

internet, and this is not one of them. c) that  the cancer field contains

vast numbers of non-conventional treatments, many of which are highly

dubious, some of which are harmful, and some of which may have value. Again

this list is not a place where most of these can be effectively discussed

or evaluated. The area requires considerable knowledge and experience to

NAVIGATE, let alone EVALUATE. In a nutshell, your search would be more

fruitful elsewhere.



With regard to the various "popular"herbal cancer therapies  ( Hoxsey,

Essiac, etc these have been discussed at length in the literature, and

people interested in them really need to study the area before seizing on

one or other anecdotal recommendation or posting advice  eg to start

drinking half a gallon of Pau d'Arco per day. No herbalist I know uses Pau

d'Arco these days simply because they cannot obtain guaranteed pure herb.

These questions are always multi-faceted and simplistic self-righteous

pontificating  is really the least helpful thing for determining an

individual strategy for the cancer patient. Information is one of the most

important steps in enabling a strategy to be developed, and Michael posted

a good list of books that should be starting points.  One I personally

like especially is Beating Cancer with Nutrition by Quillin, which has HUGE

resource lists for the information seeker that makes it a good starting

point. For those interested in use of natural agents, John  Boiks review

Cancer and Natural Medicine is up to date and thorough.



Anyway, I simply wanted to reiterate that this list is simply a chatter

about medicinal herbs mostly by layfolk, with a few western and at least

one east asian herbalist contributing now and again.  None of the

practitioners on this list is a cancer expert, or particularly involved in

treating many cancer patients (to my knowledge) My view is that HERBLIST is

not able or intended to help directly those people looking for specific

information on cancer treatment, but it CAN help by pointing people to the

sources of information they need. This does not include long posts about

technical matters or alternative therapies etc which have not been

evaluated by the poster and cannot be evaluated by the readers of the list

but are defended by all as being well intentioned. In fact they  can be

even more confusing in a situation where the urgent need is for clear

information that enables healthcare choices to be made, rather than

information as "bytes".



There must be a middle ground between discussing  herbs for cat fleas and

cancer cures, but sometimes it seems this list does not know where it lies.





just my opinion



jonathan



 jonathan treasure <jonno@teleport.com>

_______________________________________________

"Organ transplants are best left to the professionals" - Bart Simpson





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Heather and racism

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:20:26 +0000



As an addendum to Kathy's (and Paul's) brilliance, and as most cultures use

a flower or plant as an emblem (am I correct?), I suddenly wondered whether

the Scots' use of Heather was a symbol of power, purity or something that

was carried for medicinal purposes?  Also, could you define 'Native

American'?  There are some books appearing here covering the great power of

the Red Indian culture and there is great eagerness to learn.



In anticipation



Penny





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Heather and racism

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:49:41 -0800



>As an addendum to Kathy's (and Paul's) brilliance, and as most cultures use

>a flower or plant as an emblem (am I correct?), I suddenly wondered whether

>the Scots' use of Heather was a symbol of power, purity or something that

>was carried for medicinal purposes?



It is a clan marker.



>Also, could you define 'Native

>American'?  There are some books appearing here covering the great power of

>the Red Indian culture and there is great eagerness to learn.

>

>In anticipation

>

>Penny



Native American means native to America. Prior to the War of 1812, when the

U.S. essentially won the war against the natives, 'American' meant native

American. After that point, you started to see references to

European-descended U.S. citizens as 'Americans.' Thus a term, *native*

Americans had to be developed. The term 'red' is borderline racist.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Heather and racism

From: Graham White <hendongreen@GN.APC.ORG>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 23:39:12 GMT



>>As an addendum to Kathy's (and Paul's) brilliance, and as most cultures use

>>a flower or plant as an emblem (am I correct?), I suddenly wondered whether

>>the Scots' use of Heather was a symbol of power, purity or something that

>>was carried for medicinal purposes?

>

>It is a clan marker.



Simply the fact that since the post-Ice Age forests were felled during the

Bronze age, heather colonised all the acidic, nutrient poor soils to become

ubiquitous in Scotland.



>>Also, could you define 'Native

>>American'?  There are some books appearing here covering the great power of

>>the Red Indian culture and there is great eagerness to learn.

>

>Native American means native to America. Prior to the War of 1812, when the

>U.S. essentially won the war against the natives, 'American' meant native

>American. After that point, you started to see references to

>European-descended U.S. citizens as 'Americans.' Thus a term, *native*

>Americans had to be developed. The term 'red' is borderline racist.



Isn't the correct PC term these days 'First nation people'??







Graham White

------------



hendongreen@gn.apc.org

gw035@mdx.ac.uk





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Heather and racism

From: Jayel <jayel@SLINKNET.COM>

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:20:47 -0600



At 09:21 PM 11/27/96 -0800, you wrote:

>>> After that point, you started to see references to

>>> European-descended U.S. citizens as 'Americans.' Thus a term, *native*

>>> Americans had to be developed. The term 'red' is borderline racist.

>>>

>>

>>I, frankly, was shocked to see a modern-day reference to Red Indian.

>>I am a mixed-blood Shawnee and Lakota. Where I come from, calling

>>someone a Red Indian is like calling someone a nigger. It's

>>incredibly offensive and racist.

>>

>>Shea



I believe the author was attempting to differentiate Indian (American) from

Indian (Indian).



It might be useful to remember that although we Americans love to change the

names of various groups (does anyone remember "Amerind") every few years in

an bizarre attempt to avoid giving offence, it does not follow that English

speakers around the world should bow to our strange racial machinations.



Jayel

A mixed (up?) cherokee, who isn't impressed with sesitivity.



ps: I now owe the Herb list three postings which actually mention herbs.



jayel@slinknet.com

-----------------------------------------------------------

+--+--+        If you overesteem great men,

|  |  |        people become powerless.

+--+  |            -Lao tzu

|  |  |

+--+--+

   |  |

   |  |





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Heather and racism

From: Graham White <hendongreen@GN.APC.ORG>

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 19:02:26 GMT



>> After that point, you started to see references to

>> European-descended U.S. citizens as 'Americans.' Thus a term, *native*

>> Americans had to be developed. The term 'red' is borderline racist.

>>

>

>I, frankly, was shocked to see a modern-day reference to Red Indian.

>I am a mixed-blood Shawnee and Lakota. Where I come from, calling

>someone a Red Indian is like calling someone a nigger. It's

>incredibly offensive and racist.



I think you'll find that the original poster was from Scotland where they

expend all their energy on religious bigotry and have little time for racial

bigotry (apart from against the English). :-)



(Of Scottish descent living in England).



Cheers







Graham White

------------



hendongreen@gn.apc.org

gw035@mdx.ac.uk





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fwd: HERBALISM RESOURCES ON THE INTERNET

From: "Lynn Kelly, D.C.  STAR CHIRO @ AOL" <STARCHIRO@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 09:55:32 -0500



Listers:   This is a forward from a Chiro-Lister  FYI:



<< Retrieved from misc.health.alternative

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



 Posted by Camilla Cracchiolo, RN



 HERBALISM RESOURCES ON THE INTERNET



 First, I keep a lot of information and links about medicinal herbalism

 on my homepage at http://www.primenet.com/~camilla



 INTERNET NEWSGROUPS:



 Newsgroups that include information on herbal medicine are:



 alt.folklore.herbs

 sci.med

 sci.med.pharmacy

 misc.health.alternative

 sci.bio.botany



 Note: information in newsgroups is often not reliable and Multi-Level

 marketing scamsters abound.  However, alt.folklore.herbs has a very

 interesting FAQ on herbal medicine (although I don't agree with the

 philosophy of some of its authors; for example, I have great respect for

 pharmacognosist Varro Tyler, whereas the FAQ

 tells people not to read his books.) By posting questions to these groups

you

 can often find some Ph.D or M.D. who can give good scientific information

 and, of course, herbalists with many years of practical experience with

herbs

 also will share information with you.

 -------------------------------------------------------------------



 MEDLINE:



 You may wish to search Medline for information on particular herbs.

 Medline is the database of the US National Library of Medicine and is a

 surprisingly good source of information on the scientific research on

 herbs.



 Medline can be searched for free at http://www.healthgate.com.

 -----------------------------------------------------------------



 WEB SITES:



 There is a mailing list devoted to phytopharmacognosy (the branch of

pharmacy

 that deals with medicinal plants.)  The list itself is limited to people

with

 a strong technical background who are either scientific researchers, medical

 professionals, chemists who work at purifying herbal compounds and

practicing

 herbalists.



 However, it is possible to search the archives of this mailing list by

 keyword at the Phytopharmacognosy Home Page at

 http://www.mdx.ac.uk/www/pharm/

 ---------------------------------------------------------------



 Herbalist Michael Moore has an interesting web site devoted to the

 professional use of herbal medicine.



 http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html



 Many megs of herbal information is available at this site including most of

 the teaching materials and clinical manuals used by Moore in his medical

 herbalism classes at the S.W. School of Botanical Medicine.   But his file

on herbal counterindications is a must read.  One of the only things I've

ever seen that discusses the effects of herbs in pregnancy.

  ------------------------------------------------------



 THE AMERICAN BOTANICAL COUNCIL:



 Another good source of information and is The American Botanical Council,

 which sponsors the Herb Research Foundation.  These are the good guys of the

 nutritional/herbal supplements business.  They are not as conservative in

 their assessments as I am.  But they are good people, concerned that

accurate

 information be given out about herbs; and they are doing the *much* needed

 work of researching herbal compounds.  Very respected academic

 pharmacognosists such as Varro Tyler Ph.D and James Duke Ph.D sit on their

 advisory board.  They publish a newsletter called HerbalGram which has

 interesting information on the latest herbal

 research.  They also distribute many hard to find books on scientific

 herbalism as well as herbal lore.



 They have a very interesting World Wide Web site at

 http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbs/



 Membership is $35, which gets you HerbalGram plus a members only newsletter.

  If you don't want to join, but want to get HerbalGram, then the

subscription

 price is $25.00.  If you don't have Web access, or want to call or write to

 them, they can be reached in the following ways:



 ABC

 P.O. Box 210660

 Austin, TX 78720-1660



 Phone: 1-800-373-7105



 E-mail: AmeBotCncl@AOL.com

         Custserv@herbalgram.org

 ------------------------------------------------------------------

 Another good source of scientific books on herbalism:



 Balogh Scientific Books

 1911 N. Duncan Road

 Chicago, IL  61821



 Phone: 1-217-355-9331 or 355-1704

 FAX: 1-217-355-9413



 Ordering information should be available on WWW from

 http://www.balogh.com/~balogh or through ftp at

 ftp.balogh.com/pub/balogh/catalogs.  They can also be reached via e-mail at

 balogh@balogh.com  (note: I have no affiliation with this company and I am

 posting their address for informational

 purposes only.)

 ------------------------------------------------------------



 These sites may help you determine the training and laws regulating Chinese

 herbalism in your state:



 http://acupuncture.com/StateLaws/StateLaws.htm

 Acupuncture Laws by State



 http://acupuncture.com/TCMSchools/NCCA.htm

 National Commission for the Certification of Acupuncturists



 http://acupuncture.com/Herbology/CaHerb.htm

 California State Board Herbs



 This is a list of the herbs an acupuncturist is required to know for the

 state licensing exam here in California.

 -----------------------------------------------------------



 These sites may help you evaluate the risk of a given herb:



 http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/poison.html

 INDEX of Poisons



 http://ntp-db.niehs.nih.gov/Main_Pages/Chem-HS.html

 Chemical Health and Safety Database Page



 http://atsdr1.atsdr.cdc.gov:8080/atsdrhome.html

 Hazdat Search Page: ATSDR

 ----------------------------------------------------------



 Avoiding herb fraud:



 Unfortunately, there are many unscrupulous persons who sell herbs.  Many of

 these folks not above lying about the action of an herb, substituting other

 agents in place of a claimed herbal ingredient and otherwise committing

fraud

 to make a buck off of the general ignorance about herbal medicine.  There

are

 also many well intentioned but ignorant people who use herbs

inappropriately, and who themselves may be being victimized by certain

multi-level marketing fraudsters.









---------------------

Forwarded message:

From:   DrD66@aol.com

Sender: owner-chiro-news@sub.sonic.net

To:     chiro-news@mail.sonic.net

Date: 96-11-26 07:33:06 EST



Retrieved from misc.health.alternative

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Posted by Camilla Cracchiolo, RN



HERBALISM RESOURCES ON THE INTERNET



First, I keep a lot of information and links about medicinal herbalism

on my homepage at http://www.primenet.com/~camilla



INTERNET NEWSGROUPS:



Newsgroups that include information on herbal medicine are:



alt.folklore.herbs

sci.med

sci.med.pharmacy

misc.health.alternative

sci.bio.botany



Note: information in newsgroups is often not reliable and Multi-Level

marketing scamsters abound.  However, alt.folklore.herbs has a very

interesting FAQ on herbal medicine (although I don't agree with the

philosophy of some of its authors; for example, I have great respect for

pharmacognosist Varro Tyler, whereas the FAQ

tells people not to read his books.) By posting questions to these groups you

can often find some Ph.D or M.D. who can give good scientific information

and, of course, herbalists with many years of practical experience with herbs

also will share information with you.

-------------------------------------------------------------------



MEDLINE:



You may wish to search Medline for information on particular herbs.

Medline is the database of the US National Library of Medicine and is a

surprisingly good source of information on the scientific research on

herbs.



Medline can be searched for free at http://www.healthgate.com.

-----------------------------------------------------------------



WEB SITES:



There is a mailing list devoted to phytopharmacognosy (the branch of pharmacy

that deals with medicinal plants.)  The list itself is limited to people with

a strong technical background who are either scientific researchers, medical

professionals, chemists who work at purifying herbal compounds and practicing

herbalists.



However, it is possible to search the archives of this mailing list by

keyword at the Phytopharmacognosy Home Page at

http://www.mdx.ac.uk/www/pharm/

---------------------------------------------------------------



Herbalist Michael Moore has an interesting web site devoted to the

professional use of herbal medicine.



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html



Many megs of herbal information is available at this site including most of

the teaching materials and clinical manuals used by Moore in his medical

herbalism classes at the S.W. School of Botanical Medicine.



I don't agree with many things that Moore says, particularly where 'energy

theories' are concerned.  But his file on herbal counterindications is a must

read.  One of the only things I've ever seen that discusses the effects of

herbs in pregnancy.

 ------------------------------------------------------



THE AMERICAN BOTANICAL COUNCIL:



Another good source of information and is The American Botanical Council,

which sponsors the Herb Research Foundation.  These are the good guys of the

nutritional/herbal supplements business.  They are not as conservative in

their assessments as I am.  But they are good people, concerned that accurate

information be given out about herbs; and they are doing the *much* needed

work of researching herbal compounds.  Very respected academic

pharmacognosists such as Varro Tyler Ph.D and James Duke Ph.D sit on their

advisory board.  They publish a newsletter called HerbalGram which has

interesting information on the latest herbal

research.  They also distribute many hard to find books on scientific

herbalism as well as herbal lore.



They have a very interesting World Wide Web site at

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbs/



Membership is $35, which gets you HerbalGram plus a members only newsletter.

 If you don't want to join, but want to get HerbalGram, then the subscription

price is $25.00.  If you don't have Web access, or want to call or write to

them, they can be reached in the following ways:



ABC

P.O. Box 210660

Austin, TX 78720-1660



Phone: 1-800-373-7105



E-mail: AmeBotCncl@AOL.com

        Custserv@herbalgram.org

------------------------------------------------------------------

Another good source of scientific books on herbalism:



Balogh Scientific Books

1911 N. Duncan Road

Chicago, IL  61821



Phone: 1-217-355-9331 or 355-1704

FAX: 1-217-355-9413



Ordering information should be available on WWW from

http://www.balogh.com/~balogh or through ftp at

ftp.balogh.com/pub/balogh/catalogs.  They can also be reached via e-mail at

balogh@balogh.com  (note: I have no affiliation with this company and I am

posting their address for informational

purposes only.)

------------------------------------------------------------



These sites may help you determine the training and laws regulating Chinese

herbalism in your state:



http://acupuncture.com/StateLaws/StateLaws.htm

Acupuncture Laws by State



http://acupuncture.com/TCMSchools/NCCA.htm

National Commission for the Certification of Acupuncturists



http://acupuncture.com/Herbology/CaHerb.htm

California State Board Herbs



This is a list of the herbs an acupuncturist is required to know for the

state licensing exam here in California.

-----------------------------------------------------------



These sites may help you evaluate the risk of a given herb:



http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/poison.html

INDEX of Poisons



http://ntp-db.niehs.nih.gov/Main_Pages/Chem-HS.html

Chemical Health and Safety Database Page



http://atsdr1.atsdr.cdc.gov:8080/atsdrhome.html

Hazdat Search Page: ATSDR

----------------------------------------------------------



Avoiding herb fraud:



Unfortunately, there are many unscrupulous persons who sell herbs.  Many of

these folks not above lying about the action of an herb, substituting other

agents in place of a claimed herbal ingredient and otherwise committing fraud

to make a buck off of the general ignorance about herbal medicine.  There are

also many well intentioned but

ignorant people who use herbs inappropriately, and who themselves may be

being victimized by certain multi-level marketing fraudsters.



--

   "The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open

                      that your brain falls out."



                        Camilla Cracchiolo, RN



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rob Daniels, D.C.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fwd: HERBALISM RESOURCES ON THE INTERNET

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 19:22:28 -0800



>Listers:   This is a forward from a Chiro-Lister  FYI:

>

><< Retrieved from misc.health.alternative

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Posted by Camilla Cracchiolo, RN



Camilla is a scaremonger and an ideologue, just so you know.



> HERBALISM RESOURCES ON THE INTERNET

>

> First, I keep a lot of information and links about medicinal herbalism

> on my homepage at http://www.primenet.com/~camilla

>

> INTERNET NEWSGROUPS:

>

> Newsgroups that include information on herbal medicine are:



Notice the term 'herbal medicine.' This is a prime example of Camilla's

bias. She refuses to recognize the concept of 'healing,' and, like her hero

Tyler, refuses to understand that mild herbs can and do heal just fine,

even without big-gun chemical content.



Many, many RN's are MD wannabes. Camilla is CERTAINLY in that category.

Herbalism is just too 'sloppy' for such types. They prefer single vector,

chemically-rationalized therapies. Too bad the field they suggest they are

inventorying to protect the innocents is not based on that approach, can't

be understood from that approach, and in fact constantly exceeds the

boundaries that that approach suggests are final.



> alt.folklore.herbs

> sci.med

> sci.med.pharmacy

> misc.health.alternative

> sci.bio.botany

>

> Note: information in newsgroups is often not reliable and Multi-Level

> marketing scamsters abound.  However, alt.folklore.herbs has a very

> interesting FAQ on herbal medicine (although I don't agree with the

> philosophy of some of its authors; for example, I have great respect for

> pharmacognosist Varro Tyler, whereas the FAQ

> tells people not to read his books.)



How unaccountable, considering that Tyler is despised among herbally

knowledgeable people, writes scientized propaganda, lies outright in

several places, hates herbalism, and is essentially a shill for the

pharmaceutical-medicine worldview.



--



Why you felt it was necessary, Lynn, to append TWO copies of this

'information' to your post, I don't know. But maybe I am just a brute who

doesn't see the subtlety in such a behavior.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Colds

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@LARC.NASA.GOV>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:41:58 -0600



Hello Everyone,

What are some good herb combinations to ward off the common cold. I started

taking echinacea when I first started feeling this cold coming on, but it

didn't seem to stop it. Thanks for your help.



Blessings and Good Health,

Michelle





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: "Vincent Shelton." <Vince14@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:05:45 -0500



Echinacea is good also raw garlic cloves . I hope this helps.



Vince





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:18:00 -0800



>Echinacea is good also raw garlic cloves . I hope this helps.

>

>Vince



If your cold starts with a sore throat, garlic is about the worst thing you

can use.



'Colds'...kind of a generality, don't you think? Haven't you noticed

Yin/Yang at play here? Or am I the only one?



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Ellen Mizzell <ellen@TICTAC.DEMON.CO.UK>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:36:55 +0000



On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Paul Iannone wrote:



> >Echinacea is good also raw garlic cloves . I hope this helps.

> >

> >Vince

>

> If your cold starts with a sore throat, garlic is about the worst thing you

> can use.

>

> 'Colds'...kind of a generality, don't you think? Haven't you noticed

> Yin/Yang at play here? Or am I the only one?

>



I'm not sure.  I've noticed that colds that start with a sore throat are

different from the ones that start with a runny nose and sneezing.  ARe

we talking about the same thing?  Nat.mur often seems to be good for the

sore throat ones, for me.



I would be interested to hear more about the yin and yang of colds.



Ellen Mizzell





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 09:27:18 EST



Paul wrote:

<If your cold starts with a sore throat, garlic is about the worst thing

you

can use.>



I'll bite.  My accupuncturist was the one who got me into raw garlic for

colds, and mine usually start with sore throats, probably  of the post

nasal drip type.  Not only that, but it is quite effective:  I can

literally feel it work.



So why?



Karen Vaughan





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 11:51:22 -0800



>Paul wrote:

><If your cold starts with a sore throat, garlic is about the worst thing

>you

>can use.>

>

>I'll bite.  My accupuncturist was the one who got me into raw garlic for

>colds, and mine usually start with sore throats, probably  of the post

>nasal drip type.



PND is Dampness. If you tend to Damp type colds, then garlic is a good

therapy. I was referring to Hot, Dry sore throats, VERY common in the

Southwest and in the warmer seasons.



>Not only that, but it is quite effective:  I can

>literally feel it work.

>

>So why?

>

>Karen Vaughan



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Andrea Coleman <acoleman@INTERCONNECT.NET>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 23:12:36 -0800



Michelle I. Cook wrote:

>

> Hello Everyone,

> What are some good herb combinations to ward off the common cold. I started

> taking echinacea when I first started feeling this cold coming on, but





Echinacea is an excellent herb, you may not be taking enough. You may

need to take3-4 4 times a day to battle a cold.  Garlic is also good to

take in pill form.



it

> didn't seem to stop it. Thanks for your help.

>

> Blessings and Good Health,

> Michelle



love to all,

Andrea





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:25:02 EST



On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:41:58 -0600 "Michelle I. Cook"

<m.i.cook@LARC.NASA.GOV> writes:

>Hello Everyone,

>What are some good herb combinations to ward off the common cold. I

>started taking echinacea when I first started feeling this cold coming

on, but

>it didn't seem to stop it. Thanks for your help.

>

Echinicea requires a larger dose than the two dropperfuls recommended on

the tincture bottle or the 3-5 capsuls recommended three times a day.  A

large clove of raw garlic, minced and coated in honey so you can swallow

it, several times a day, is good.  And don't forget the vitamin C,

perhaps accompanied by a cayene capsul.



But you should consider what purpose the cold has, and supression is

probably not the goal.  If you are going for supression, OTCs work far

better than herbs, but you may end up with a worse infection later on.  I

 firmly believe that colds are part of the body's cleansing process, and

I go for herbal support, nourishment and eradication of the causes:  poor

diet, insufficient sleep and exercise, stress and pollution.



Karen Vaughan





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:28:13 EST



Try echinacea every 2 hours.  I think you can use it like that for up to

5 days.

Also Peppermint tea.   Many Blessings,

Linda





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:14:00 -0900



At 02:41 PM 11/26/96 -0600, Michelle I. Cook wrote:

>Hello Everyone,

>What are some good herb combinations to ward off the common cold. I started

>taking echinacea when I first started feeling this cold coming on, but it

>didn't seem to stop it. Thanks for your help.

>

>Blessings and Good Health,

>Michelle

>

>

Sudorifics and diaphoretics are great for colds.  My personal favorite is

Boneset (Eupatorium perf.) and Yarrow (Achillea mill.).  Just remember to

take them often and warm, avoiding cold food and drink while using these.

Of course, there's always good old Peppermint, Elderberry flowers, garlic

and a host of other herbs.  Maybe you need to supplement that Echinacea with

some more active herbs.  Thompsonian composition powder is excellent as well

(Bayberry, Hemlock bark, Ginger, Cloves, Cayenne)

***********************************************************

*Angelica spp.:  "A water distilled from the root eases   *

*                all pains and torments coming of cold    *

*                and wind."                               *

*Nicolas Culpeper, 1653                                   *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Andrea Davis <soaplady@EPIX.NET>

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 18:13:18 -0500



>

>I'll bite.  My accupuncturist was the one who got me into raw garlic for

>colds, and mine usually start with sore throats, probably  of the post

>nasal drip type.  Not only that, but it is quite effective:  I can

>literally feel it work.

...................



Hi I am new to this list, but have to add my 2 dollars worth [inflation] to

this...



I agree with you..garlic does work..whenever anyone in my family starts to

complain of a sore throat I make garlic tea ..we drink it and gargle with it

and it is more effective and without any side effects than any medicine

available over the counter or by prescription.

I also have used a few drops of tea tree oil and cedarwood oil in a bit of

warm water for gargling with great success.



Andrea

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Soaplady                           | Country Herbals by Andrea

soaplady@epix.net                  | (717)-744-1016

http://www.epix.net/~soaplady/     | "Nature's own is still the best!"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Heidi Feldman <heidi10@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 21:03:55 EST



Hello,



I'd like to add a couple things that helped ease the sore throats and

colds.  (It did not cure the colds, nor did it cure the sore throat) it

only soothed us...



This one is from my Opa (German for "Grandpa")



Tea

lemon

honey



My opa said this helps calm coughing.  He had severe emphysima which had

killed him and we always made him this and it would help calm the

coughing bouts down a little bit.



Then this one is from a dear friend of ours who is an accupuncturist...



In a sauce pot,  2 cups of  water, about 1/2 inch slice of fresh ginger

root, and 1 or 2 sticks of cinnamon, boil this for about 5 to 10 minutes

till you have at least 1 cup of this.  This is really nice.  (a little on

the spicy side)  You can use less ginger root if you want.



-Heidi-





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Ellen Mizzell <ellen@TICTAC.DEMON.CO.UK>

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 23:33:43 +0000



On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Linda K Shipley wrote:



> what, pray tell, is Nat.mur please?

> Linda

>



Nat.mur (she said guiltily, only too well aware that it's not a herb)

is natrum muriaticum. a.k.a. salt.  Homeopathic.



Often works well for me on colds that start with a sore throat, as too

many of mine do.



Ellen





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds

From: Andrea Davis <soaplady@EPIX.NET>

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:49:24 -0500



At 03:49 PM 11/29/96 EST, Linda K Shipley wrote:

>I am curious.  Do you boil the garlic cloves or what for tea?

>Linda

>

>///////////////////////////////



I chop the garlic finely or push through garlic press, I than put the garlic

in a cup and

add boiling water. Let it steep for about 30 min. ...gargle with it plain or

add raw honey for drinking it as a tea..



Andrea

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Arthritis rub??

From: Doug Grinder <dgrin@AGT.NET>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 14:59:32 -0800



I'm trying to get my 82 year old Grandmother turned on to the wonderful

power of herbs but she is a very old fashioned and stuborn lady who

thinks that there is no way the plants in her back yard could be of

medicinal value.I would like to make her a rub for her Arthritis to send

to her for x-mas to prove her wrong. Does anyone has a good, simple

recipe for one? Thanks in advance, Christine





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Arthritis rub??

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 21:44:01 -0800



>I'm trying to get my 82 year old Grandmother turned on to the wonderful

>power of herbs but she is a very old fashioned and stuborn lady who

>thinks that there is no way the plants in her back yard could be of

>medicinal value.I would like to make her a rub for her Arthritis to send

>to her for x-mas to prove her wrong. Does anyone has a good, simple

>recipe for one? Thanks in advance, Christine



Just buy her some White Flower Oil or Tiger Balm at the local health food

store or Asian market.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Arthritis rub??

From: Andrea Coleman <acoleman@INTERCONNECT.NET>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:07:11 -0800



Doug Grinder wrote:

>

> I'm trying to get my 82 year old Grandmother turned on to the wonderful

> power of herbs but she is a very old fashioned and stuborn lady who

> thinks that there is no way the plants in her back yard could be of

> medicinal value.I would like to make her a rub for her Arthritis to send

> to her for x-mas to prove her wrong. Does anyone has a good, simple

> recipe for one? Thanks in advance, Christine





Christine,

I use Yucca, I open the capsules and add water to make a paste and apply

it to my swollen joints. It works for me.



Andrea





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Arthritis rub??

From: Doug Grinder <dgrin@AGT.NET>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 12:35:48 -0800



Andrea Coleman wrote:

>

> Doug Grinder wrote:

> >

> > I'm trying to get my 82 year old Grandmother turned on to the wonderful

> > power of herbs but she is a very old fashioned and stuborn lady who

> > thinks that there is no way the plants in her back yard could be of

> > medicinal value.I would like to make her a rub for her Arthritis to send

> > to her for x-mas to prove her wrong. Does anyone has a good, simple

> > recipe for one? Thanks in advance, Christine

>

> Christine,

> I use Yucca, I open the capsules and add water to make a paste and apply

> it to my swollen joints. It works for me.

>

> Andrea



Thanks for the idea! Just a couple more questions though.(I'm new to

herbs) Can I add something like Lavendar oil to it to make it smell nice

or will it affect the Yucca? What's it's shelf life, should I just make

her small amounts at a time? And lastly, any possible drug

contradictions? She has Diabeties(sp?) and high blood pressure.Thanks

again!

Christine





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for liver-Help Vicki

From: "Ian C. Nock" <ian@MATILDA.ORG>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 10:02:52 +0800



There is a good book... "The liver diet" .



This lists several herbal preparations, together with a rather sensible

(mostly vegetarian) diet.



Hope this is of some use.





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Chinese Longevity Herbs

From: Barry Glick <barryg@AUG.COM>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 21:02:49 +0000



I am looking for a definitive Chinese herbal text that deals with

chinese longevity herbs.  Since I do not read chinese, it would have

to be the best Chinese herbal text there is in english.  I'm assuming

at least one of the members of this list will know of one.  Can you

please help me out?  A text with pictures would be ideal, since when

I go into those quaint San Francisco herb shops in China town, I have

no idea what I'm looking at.  Help if you can!



Barry Glick





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chinese Longevity Herbs

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 12:41:52 PST



A Barefoot Doctor's Manual by the Revolutionary Health Committee of

Hunan Province  has alot to offer.

-------------------------------------

E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 11/29/96

Time: 12:41:52 PM



This message was sent by Chameleon

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Yunnan Paiyao

From: Kim P Ratcliff <kimrcliff@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 18:44:57 EST



We are discussing this herb (formula?) on the midwives list. Could anyone

give us the low-down on this remedy being used for post-partum

hemorrhage?

TIA!

Kim in VA

Kimrcliff@juno.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Yunnan Paiyao

From: Paul Iannone <pi2@LOOP.COM>

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 21:55:37 -0800



>We are discussing this herb (formula?) on the midwives list. Could anyone

>give us the low-down on this remedy being used for post-partum

>hemorrhage?

>TIA!

>Kim in VA

>Kimrcliff@juno.com



Formula, and secret formula at that (though we know the main players in the

formula, primary of which is Panax pseudoginseng---also present is dragon's

blood, and myrrh...I can't recall the other couple we know, at the moment).



Yunnan White Medicine can be used in nearly all cases of bleeding,

internally and externally, safely. It will not, however, be effective in

cases where the hemorrhage is due to depletion of Qi (such as after long

labor), or in cases of hemorrhage due to Yang desertion, an even more

severe depletion, often fatal in itself, associated with very poor health

before delivery...so cases of pph where significant blood loss has already

occured will not be resolved with YPY. It is not, therefore, a substitute

for emergency hysterectomy (in severe cases).



It is also not abortifacient or sufficiently blood moving/evacuative to

treat cases of placental retention or incomplete abortion. So the point of

that is that Chinese herbalism involves diagnosis and is WAY more complex

than using one particular formula. Nonetheless, a great product. Useful

also for menorrhagia, btw.



PPH is fairly rare. Many cases are presumably constitutional in

nature...thus constitutional therapy BEFORE pregnancy would help prevent

its occurence.



Paul





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ulneritis

From: BLACKKAT <BLACKKAT@INFOAVE.NET>

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 12:54:58 -0500



Hello All:



My 20 year old son just called me and he has ulneritis (hope I am spelling

it right) with slight tendonitis in his right arm.  He is a pitcher on his

college baseball team and this problem is causing him great pain, physically

and mentally, because now he can't pitch and is moving toward depression.

He lives in Lake Worth, Florida and I live in Tennessee....and it is really

difficult to get a grasp of his emotions etc. over the phone.



The doctor has told him the ulner nerve is inflamed and the tendons around

the elbow are inflamed.  The doctor is talking steroid medications, etc.   I

would like to ask the group if there is  anything you could suggest for this

problem.



Paul-some  Chinese Herbs or a Chinese Herbal Salve I can make up for him?



Any help will be greatly appreciated by us both.



Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving to you all.



Blessings,

Sandi

BlackKat@InfoAve.Net



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.  Our deepest fear is that we are

powerful beyond measure.   It is our light, not our darkness, that most

frightens us.

    from A Course in Miracles

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From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ulneritis

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 1996 21:13:15 -0900



>My 20 year old son just called me and he has ulneritis (hope I am spelling

>it right) with slight tendonitis in his right arm.  He is a pitcher on his

>college baseball team and this problem is causing him great pain, physically

>and mentally, because now he can't pitch and is moving toward depression.

>He lives in Lake Worth, Florida and I live in Tennessee....and it is really

>difficult to get a grasp of his emotions etc. over the phone.

>

>The doctor has told him the ulner nerve is inflamed and the tendons around

>the elbow are inflamed.



Forget the steroids.  A plain old mullein compress is incredibly effective

for this type of inflammation.  I've used it for sprained ankles, tendonitis

in the knee, muscle pain, just about any inflammation and it brings quick

and effective relief of pain and inflammation.  Just the other day I was

getting some tendonitis from opening and closing a school bus door too often

(those things are heavy).  In just an hour, the pain was completely gone and

did not return.  If you don't have the recipe from my previous posts, I'll

send it to you privately.  Please e-mail me off list so we don't clutter up

the list.  Thanks.

***********************************************************

*Angelica spp.:  "A water distilled from the root eases   *

*                all pains and torments coming of cold    *

*                and wind."                               *

*Nicolas Culpeper, 1653                                   *

*_________________________________________________________*

*Anita Hales, hales1@alaska.ktn.net                       *

***********************************************************





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ulneritis/Tendinitis

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 01:49:31 -0800



 you wrote:

>>My 20 year old son just called me and he has ulneritis (hope I am spelling

>>it right) with slight tendonitis in his right arm.  He is a pitcher on his

>>college baseball team and this problem is causing him great pain, physically

>>and mentally, because now he can't pitch and is moving toward depression.

>>He lives in Lake Worth, Florida and I live in Tennessee....and it is really

>>difficult to get a grasp of his emotions etc. over the phone.

>>

>>The doctor has told him the ulner nerve is inflamed and the tendons around

>>the elbow are inflamed.



Anita says:

>Forget the steroids.



I agree with Anita ... steroids in my mind is always a last resort tactic in

life threatening situations. Steroids slow the healing response ... which

stops the inflammation and makes him feel better, perhaps good enough to

pitch again, and re-injure the arm. But then who am I to second guess a

doctor without more information.



If I am not missing some diagnostic puzzle pieces, and he has an inflamed

nerve and tendons, then I'd say this:



St John's Wort Oil (or fresh poultice for those with plenty of time in the

southern hemisphere) externally at least three time a day on the injured

area. Hypericum will help promote the healing, and especially targets the

nervous system. I use it for any nerve injuries.

Comfrey Oil (or fresh poultice for those with plenty of time in the southern

hemisphere) externally at least three time a day on the injured area.

Comfrey will help promote the healing, and has proven useful in my

experience for muscle and tendon problems as well as bones. I consider it

specific for any tendinitis/tenosynovitis problems.



Lobelia Oil, Lobelia Vinegar externally as a muscle relaxant as needed for

pain. Loosen these up and they'll be less stress on those tendons. This

system has a tendency to contract after injury, leading to more pain, and a

greater chance of re-injury. Lobelia is strong enough to be effective

externally.



Internal herbs might include a St John's Wort/Comfrey (gasp ..... ) mixture

at four droppers 3x a day for the reasons mentioned above. Comfrey can be a

bag of worms, so I won't say much except use Symphytum officinalis (the low

alkaloid kind). We could debate this forever, read the latest issue of the

European Journal of Herbal Medicine, and everything else. It's bad press

around here now-a-days to tell someone to take comfrey internally, so I

won't. Make up your own mind. If you have any problems with the idea of

using it, don't use it! Herbpharm produces an extract with the alkaloids

removed. I personally would use comfrey inside if I had this problem.



By the way, I disclaim any connection with Herbpharm .... oops, I do have a

connection, they are competitors! Oh well!



Other internal herbs :

Skullcap, Valerian, etc. as determined by constitution three to four

droppers as needed for pain. Those calming herbs will relax the muscles,

helping with the pain as mentioned before. Plus pain is one third real pain,

one third remembered pain (oh it hurt so bad when I injured it), one third

anticipated pain (oh if I move it, it will hurt). The calming herbs will

help him forget about the pain if he is focused on it. Plus it may help with

his head-space (that's his emotions for those far away from my slang in the

rainy cold christmas tree forests of the Pacific Northwest.)



Willow, Oak, Poplar --- Those salicylate herbs are like aspirin for pain

management and control of inflammation. Band-aid herbs.





Other factors for healing include diet and stress. Reduce the stress as much

as possible. Do not take caffeine or other stimulants .... coffee, tea, etc.

You be surprised how many folks with slow healing tendinitis drink coffee

... not realizing that after every cup their tendonitis starts to ache.



Medical professionals usually immobilize the area for a while. But after a

time, then you need to use the arm again. When I had tendinitis in my wrist,

I was told to immobilize it. I put my arm in a sling. After a few days it

got worse, the pain spreading to my elbow, eventually beginning to hurt in

my shoulder. Freaking out, I went back to the doctor, and he said it was all

healed. The pain was from the immobilization of the arm, just use it. I did

and was healed. Some people with long term tendinitis are at that stage and

just need to sensibly use the tendons and rebuild their strength. I doubt

this will apply to the recently injured pitcher, but it may apply to others.

I can't say when the time to start using an injured area is .... that the

doctor/naturopath/medical herbalist's job. I'm neither.



Well, that's all folks. We can go back to the off herb topics. Heather, when

I first started posting on international lists, I did something very

similar. I used a slang term that here refered to any color of people who

intentionally chose a specific lifestyle, yet in another country well

represented in our amazing mailing lists, it was also a degrading racist

word that refered to specific race of people. Live and learn.......



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



-insert snappy herb joke here-





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: epazote

From: Yvetta Williams <YvettaWill@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:59:43 -0500



In the Calif. Cargen Nov-Dec. 1996 Vol. 87 No.6 Page 170 in an article by

Helen Chandler titled Herbs-Culture and Landscape uses she writes" Every form

of epazote (alias wormseed) Chenopodium ambrosioides analyzed so far is rich

in ascaridole and thus toxic and not recommended for food ( this is another

plant without GRAS-Generally recommended as safe- status from the FDS).  Does

anyone have any more information on this?  I enjoy epazote in beans and just

enjoy eating the leaves.  Yvetta





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chiggers? HELP!

From: "OX O.A.S.I.S." <oxoasis@GNOFN.ORG>

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:13:42 -0600



Dear Jill,



        I pray all is well.



        Internal and external cleanliness are primary health concerns in

yoga.  Keep the body clean, keep clothing clean, keep your dwelling clean.

If possible, bathe three times a day.  Do not keep pets in the house,

especially animals like cats and dogs.  You can make all kinds of special

accomadations for them outside the house.  Have you tried mint,

pennyroyal, and eucalyptus?



        Have you tried "PARTHENOCISSUS QUINQEFOLIA"



Sincerely,



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On Thu, 17 Oct 1996, Jill F. Becker wrote:



> Sandra:

>

>     If it were me and I'd had this rash/itch for a couple of months

> -- then I'd have it checked out by a doc.  IF IF IF IF it is chiggers,

> then I have no clue what the appropriate herbal remedy might be (if there

> is one) and I think that it's a go to the doc and they give you

> something kinda thing.  My brother was treated by a doctor and still

> had a difficult time getting rid of the buggers.  I defer to someone

> who has more knowledge on this topic than I -- which is probably just

> about everybody.

>

> Jill

>

>

> > OK everyone, give me your best remedies for chiggers AND poison ivy.

> > And, Jill, what did your brother finally end up doing to get rid of

> > his chiggers?

>





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Yunnan Pai Yao

From: Kim P Ratcliff <kimrcliff@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 21:26:09 EST



Paul-

      This was another post I received about Yunnan Pai Yao.

What do you make of it?  And what is the "dragon's blood" that you

mentioned ? (Also, my experience is that pph is more often caused by 3rd

stage mismanagement than anything else, but certainly have seen my share

of it even in well managed placental deliveries.) Many midwives have been

using this formula prophylactically to prevent pph- what dangers might

there be in doing this?

Thanks,

Kim in Va







>It is made entirely of one herb, whose pharmaceutical name is Radix

>Pseudoginseng, pinyin is San Qi, and Latin is Panax notoginseng or

> Panax pseudoginseng. It is similar in morphology to Panax ginseng-

>Chinese ginseng, but its properties are entirely different.



>Whereas Chinese ginseng tonifies "qi", meaning it increases energy and

>organ function, Yun Nan Bai Yao stops bleeding. It also has an action of

>transforming blood stasis.



>The causes of bleeding in Chinese medicine are many and varied.

>Abnormal heat, both vacuous and replete (meaning empty and excess) >can

cause it. In hemorrhage, this usually results in a heavy, profuse >thick

bright red flow.Blood stasis can also cause abnormal bleeding. >This

means that the blood actually blocks the normal channel of flow, >and so

the blood flows out of the

>vessels, much like a stream will overflow a log dam. Unless the stasis

is

>resolved, the bleeding will continue. This type of bleeding is usually

>characterized by darker clotty flow and is accompanied by pain.



>Two other types of bleeding are caused by a "qi" vacuity, meaning that

>the normal energy and organ function is weak. The first of these is a

>spleen qi vacuity. The spleen is responsible for "holding" the blood

>within the vessels, This type of hemorrhage is profuse, pale or watery,

>often the slow

>trickle type. The woman is typically exhausted and pale. The second

>type of qi vacuity hemorrhage is one where the qi is "sinking." This is

>also a malfunction of the spleen, which is supposed to ascend energy in

>the body and keep things from falling or "sinking." This type will be

the >same as the spleen qi vacuity hemorrhage, with the addition of

>prolapse, or a heavy downward falling feeling in the abdomen.



>Yun Nan Bai Yao has the unique quality of stopping bleeding and

>resolving stasis at the same time. Because a stop bleeding herb acts on

>the emergency symptom, it works regardless of cause, so you don't have

>to spend much time or brain power figuring  out the differentiation.



>Yun Nan Bai Yao comes in three forms: a powder, encapsulated >powder,

and a hard to find alcohol extract. The powders come with a >small red

pill. The red pill is not Radix Notoginseng, so DON'T make the >mistake

of thinking that it's a stronger form of the herb. The red pill is >made

of herbs for loss of consciousness, which are very aromatic, >somewhat

like smelling salts, only in an oral form. This red pill will >scatter

the energy greatly, which is something you want if someone >needs

treatment for loss of consciousness, but not for hemorrhage itself. >If

the hemorrhage is from a qi vacuity and you give the red pill, you may

>exacerbate the condition that caused the hemorrhage by scattering

>already vacuous qi and actually precipitate shock.

>If you can't remember this, then remember to throw the red pill away.

>It's better not to use it than to use it incorrectly.



>Because the capsules will take time to break down, it is advisable to

use >the powder for a postpartum bleed. The powder will form a suspension

>in water, it won't completely dissolve. Place about 1 teaspoon in 1/2

cup >water, stir vigorously and have the woman chug the swill. (Those are

>medical terms :).)

>You can give up to 1/2 the small vial in this way, but if it doesn't

work

>within just a few minutes, I'd go on to the next thing in my protocol,

or

>combine the stop bleeding treatment with something more to the cause >of

the hemorrhage.



>The capsules are useful for other, less emergency type bleeds such as

>prolonged postpartum bleeding, and to aid healing around surgery. The

>dose is 2 capsules 4 times a day. If you know someone is having

>surgery, have them take two capsules the last time they're allowed

>anything by mouth and the first thing after the surgery. They can then

>continue with the dosage above.



>The Chinese Medicine approaches to hemorrhage are very specific, and

>Yun Nan Bai Yao (Yunnan Pai Yao) is one of those herbs that are easy

>and effective.

>Other techniques and herbs exist for hemorrhage.

>snip

>Yunnan Bai Yao, as a blood mover, is contraindicated for bleeding

>during pregnancy. These bleeds are sometimes caused by the same

>etiologies as postpartum bleed, but in pregnancy it is vital to be sure

of >the cause before giving something that might move the blood. So don't

>make a mistake--differentiate! (And please, don't guess!)







--------- End forwarded message ----------





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds & more

From: Cynthia Konow <CKONOW@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 00:36:43 -0500



Dear Linda,

I hope this gets to you...I had some trouble mailing it the first time. You

were wondering about diet modifications for people with Hypoglycemia.  I'm

being followed by Steve Provonsha, MD who is with Kaiser-Permanente (a really

big HMO in Calif.).  Anyhow, I came to him needing to lose about 80 pounds,

had problems with hypoglycemia, a family history of blood sugar and

circulatory issues, and the belief that I would be fat all my life.  Right

before I hooked up with him, I did some reading by Susan Powter and Dean

Ornish.  I had begun making changes in my views of how I got heavy, as well

as the need to diminish my fat intake.  Steve follows a population of

Diabetic patients and has been able to reduce or remove injectable insulin

from their care plans through dietetic management.  He looks at blood sugar

issues, circulatory issues, and obesity as one syndrome, and treats them as

connected issues.



The literature refers to Syndrome X or insulin resistance.  Basically, my

body doesnt use insulin effectively.  Therefore, it has to overproduce

insulin to process what I eat.  In addition, eating animal protein causes my

body to release a hormone called gylcogen into my bloodstream.  The glycogen

cancels the first shot of insulin, thereby requiring my system to overproduce

even more insulin.  You can see where this is a vicious cycle.  Over and

above all of this, it is Steve's contention that when you eat animal protein,

it fools your body into thinking that you are in a famine/starvation mode.

 When you are starving, your body will begin to process its own muscle

tissue.  By eating animal protein, we are fooling our bodies into thinking

this and also thereby slowing down metabolism...and I need my metabolism to

increase, not slow down!  As a result of all of this, I have also become a

vegetarian.  I am looking toward becoming a total vegan, although I have

given up a lot of foods as it is.  I also maintain a low fat regime and I

exercise everyday.  I've lost 60 pounds and I've gone down six dress sizes.

 I feel great, dont have any sugar issues and my migraines have gone away.  I

also dont have the sinus trouble that I used to have.  I used to get a sinus

infection monthly through the Fall...I havent had one yet, and only one

noticeable sinus headache.  Steve ordered some blood work on me last

March...I was sure that my cholesterol would be normal etc.  I was so

disappointed...the cholesterol was around 320 and my free insulin count was

also high.  Steve said that he could tell that there were diabetics in my

family as I had a "diabetic profile".  We repeated the lab work last summer,

and thankfully my cholesterol is around 220 and the free insulin was within

normal limits.  Steve figures that my cholesterol will always be on the high

side, as I am genetically predisposed to it.  It's amazing to me how all of

these systems work in tandem.  I hope this is not too sketchy...I'm pressing

Steve to put this all in writing so I can personally process it better.  Let

me know what you think...Cynthia





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colds & more

From: Linda K Shipley <lindashipley@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 16:34:16 EST



I've read some of Powter.  You take insulin shots for hypoglycemia??  Are

you sure it is not hyperglycemia? If it is hypoglycemia, what do you do

for protein.  I understand I need animal protein for survival.  I get

terrible headaches without it (or milk).  Chicken, fish, little beef

really does wonders for me when i am weak and headachy.



That is TERRIFIC that you lost 60 pounds.  That is FABULOUS that you

exercise every day.  For how long?  What kind of exercise?



Would you mind telling me what your diet consists of?



Thank you so much.

Lindashipley@juno.com





From a@b.c Sat Jan 01 16:46:16 1994

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs to avoid

From: "susan l. jenkins" <sljenkins@GREENHEART.COM>

Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 04:25:44 -0800



I would appreciate any information on herbs, etc. that should be avoided

if one has chronic liver inflammation.  I've become familiar with herbs

and other supplements that are supposed to be beneficial, but I assume

there are others that may have a detrimental effect.  Thanks,



Susan



