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Subject: Bee Pollen

From: Robert Farr <rbfarr@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:19:25 -0500

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Can anybody tell me how to use bee pollen?



I purchased a baggie full of pollen granules from my local healh food 

store, but can't find directions for dosage!



Thanks so much.



Robert.





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Subject: Re: Bee Pollen

From: mk95528@navix.net (Digital books)

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 01:32:13 GMT

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On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:19:25 -0500, Robert Farr <rbfarr@erols.com>

wrote:



>Can anybody tell me how to use bee pollen?

>

>I purchased a baggie full of pollen granules from my local healh food 

>store, but can't find directions for dosage!

>

>Thanks so much.

>

>Robert.

Go to this site for info about the stuff. http://www.healthy.net

Click on Site Search, then click on HealthWorld Search. Tap in your

Bee Pollen.



Sincerely;



Richard

http://www.alice.net/rarebooks





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Subject: Re: Bee Pollen

From: markm@globalserve.net

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 19:05:05 -0500

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Robert Farr wrote:

> Can anybody tell me how to use bee pollen?

One teaspoon in the morning, either by itself or in cereal.

Melanie ci128@torfree.net





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To: "Evan L. Cooper" <elcooper@chem.duke.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vitamin E & Acne

From: Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu>

Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:45:39 -0500

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On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Evan L. Cooper wrote:



> Greetings!

> 

> Does anyone have any experience or information concerning acne

> and Vitamin E. I just recently started taking a Vitamin E supplement.

> At the same time, I'm having some acne trouble, something I haven't

> had for years and years. I have to suspect there is a connection,

> but I may just be fooling myself.

> 

> Comments?

	I have read that Vitamin E can cause acne in many people if it is

taken in an oil-based form.  Try looking on supplement labels to see if

you can find it in a dry form.  Using it in that form should help solve

your acne problem.  Good luck.







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Subject: Re: Vitamin E & Acne

From: tougan@aol.com

Date: 2 Feb 1997 15:34:09 GMT

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I've always wanted to get in on the wonders of vitamin E.  Like Evan,

every time I take it orally I end up with worse skin problems.  Sometimes

it acts like a rash.  Have any of you tried with this unusual side effect

of vitamin E tried the powder form?  Has it made a difference?



On a different substance, I get horrible acne every time I use products

containing almonds.  Go figure.  Cost of the product does not matter

either:  $70 designer beauty product or $3 from the drugstore.





In article <Pine.OSF.3.95.970131174240.25675A-100000@alpha.dickinson.edu>,

Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu> writes:



>From:	Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu>

>Date:	Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:45:39 -0500

>

>On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Evan L. Cooper wrote:

>

>> Greetings!

>> 

>> Does anyone have any experience or information concerning acne

>> and Vitamin E. I just recently started taking a Vitamin E supplement.

>> At the same time, I'm having some acne trouble, something I haven't

>> had for years and years. I have to suspect there is a connection,

>> but I may just be fooling myself.

>> 

>> Comments?







\





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Subject: Re: Vitamin E & Acne

From: elcooper@chem.duke.edu (Evan L. Cooper)

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 97 16:15:56 GMT

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In article <19970202153400.KAA27294@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

   tougan@aol.com wrote:

>I've always wanted to get in on the wonders of vitamin E.  Like Evan,

>every time I take it orally I end up with worse skin problems.  Sometimes

>it acts like a rash.  Have any of you tried with this unusual side effect

>of vitamin E tried the powder form?  Has it made a difference?

>

< snip >



>>

>>On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Evan L. Cooper wrote:

>>> Does anyone have any experience or information concerning acne

>>> and Vitamin E. I just recently started taking a Vitamin E supplement.

>>> At the same time, I'm having some acne trouble, something I haven't

>>> had for years and years. I have to suspect there is a connection,

>>> but I may just be fooling myself.



Thanks to everyone who has posted or sent email about this. I am

taking dry form Vitamin E 400IU. It is in a gelatin capsule. I

always take it with a meal, once a day, either the morning or

mid-day meal. The acne seems to be clearing up.



Some folks suggested using the dry form. I am. Others mentioned

using only natural source. I have news for those folks. It is

my understanding that all Vitamin E is natural source. It is MUCH

cheaper to extract the stuff from natural sources than to synthesize

it from other materials. The usual source is soybean oil, but corn

oil is sometimes used. Vitamin E itself, alpha-tocopherol, does

not readily crystallize. The dry form is usually some form of alpha-tocopheryl

acetate, and that is what the IU is based upon. It is a

misnomer to ever label dry form Vitamin E as natural source, strictly

speaking. In order to get it in the dry form some synthetic extraction,

purification and reaction steps must be performed.



I am of the opinion that I started out with too high of a dose.



Thanks Again,



=====================================================================

Evan L. Cooper		Ph.D. Candidate in Chemistry at Duke University

elcooper@chem.duke.edu	Chem. 11 & 12 Recitation Instructor

http://www.chem.duke.edu	And gladly would he learn, and gladly teach.  -Chaucer





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Subject: making own salves

From: p007@cnwl.igs.net (Pierre Brazeau)

Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 22:51:40 GMT

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Does anyone have a recipe to make salve from bee's wax.  

Heather.







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Subject: Re: making own salves

From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 01:33:44 GMT

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p007@cnwl.igs.net (Pierre Brazeau) wrote:



>Does anyone have a recipe to make salve from bee's wax.  

>Heather.

>

This might help

Making Your Own Herbal Salve



Most commercial herbal salves are made with an olive-, peanut-, or

sunflower-seed-oil base, to which beeswax is added for firmness.

Typical proportions are nine parts oil to one part beeswax for the

thinnest salve, but as much as four parts beeswax may be used.



Grind three ounces of freshly dried herbs - either a singlr one or a

combination - in a blender or coffee grinder. Cover with a pint of

olive oil. Steep the mixture for two weeks. Shake the herb-oil mixture

every day to speed extraction of the herb's essential oils. You can

speed this part by placing the herbs and oil in a slow cooker on it's

lowest setting overnight. Be sure that neither the oil nor the herbs

scorch or burn.



Pour the oil through a strainer lined with muslin or several layers of

cheesecloth. At this point you have a liniment. Now add 1/4 to 3/4 cup

melted beeswax, depending on how stiff you want the salve to be, and

mix thoroughly. Store the preparation in a small, wide mouthed

container. It will keep about a year at room temperature, but you can

extend its shelf life by stirring in the contents of a vitamin E

capsule or a few drops of tinture of benzoin as a preservative.



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/





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Subject: Re: making own salves

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 1 Feb 1997 02:25:46 GMT

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Re: making beeswax salves.



Yes, what do you want to use it for?  I make all kinds.

Use 1 icecube size cube of beeswax for every cup of oil (I use pure virgin

olive oil for regular salves, almond or some other type of oil if deeper

skin absorbtion is needed). Use more beeswax if you want it very stiff, or

less if you want it more oily. Or... test the oil with a cold knife

(refrigerated),  after adding some beeswax; the salve will adhere to the

knife in the consistency it will be when cold. There are lots of tricks to

adding herbs, different temps., length of time to let it simmer, letting

them wilt before you add them to reduce moisture, etc.  A good herb book

should help.   T.





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Subject: When to plant?

From: najara <najara@swbell.net>

Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:59:18 -0800

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Can anyone advise me on the best time to put out my seeds?  Also, which 

herbs I should start indoors?  This will be my first outdoor herb 

garden. I'm in Dallas, zone 2 I think, according to the seed packets. 

Any advice is greatly appreciated, including: which ones I should plant 

together, how much of each, etc...

T





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Subject: Re: When to plant?

From: Leigh R Hidell <lrh02@gnofn.org>

Date: 31 Jan 1997 23:59:51 GMT

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najara <najara@swbell.net> wrote:

: Can anyone advise me on the best time to put out my seeds?  Also, which 

: herbs I should start indoors?  This will be my first outdoor herb 

: garden. I'm in Dallas, zone 2 I think, according to the seed packets. 

: Any advice is greatly appreciated, including: which ones I should plant 

: together, how much of each, etc...

: T



Probably zone 8 or 9 for Dallas, TX not zone  2 unless you're

using a different zone system?    Anyway, you should already

be starting your seeds indoor for veggies & herbs that can

go out after last  frost date.  Mine is  March 15-20, I'm guessing

yours is similar?  Then start  another batch of the warmer

weather seeds like basil a bit later...



It depends on what you're growing your herbs for, food,

tea, health, or...?  For tea, I like mint, lemongrass,

lemon balm.  You can get lemonbalm seeds.  The other two,

get pieces from a friend's plant.   Or you can get one

plant  & root them.  Also you can grow chamomile from seed,

but I've never done it.  This is my first year starting

them, so we'll see how it works out.



For spices, start parsley by pouring boiling hot water

over it the first time to make it sprout.   Once you

have parsley it will re-seed itself in its bed or  container

forever, so it's really great.  It never dies back here

in New Orleans even when it freezes.  I believe it would

be the same  in Dallas.  I'm also big on thyme & oregano.

The oregano seeds are really tiny tho!  But once you  have

them, you have them forever (thyme & oregano both).  Basil

has to be planted fresh every year, & it likes  warm weather

so you won't have it over the winter.  Oh yeah, and chives

once started seem to keep going for years.  



As far as how much, you should plant a  LOT of the herb teas,

assuming you use them as much as I do.  (I can't drink

caffeine.)  For cooking...you don't need as much, just a

couple plants of thyme, oregano, etc.   Except for  basil

(which can end up being used in incredible quantities for

pesto) & oniony type things.



I haven't  raised too many "health" herbs yet, other

than calendula, which is GREAT,  & should be started

right away if not sooner because it likes cool weather.



Oh yeah, & start hot pepper seeds now if you consider

them a necessary herb or spice...as I do.  Don't fertilize

them too much so they'll be small  & strong instead of leafy. 





HTH, Leigh







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Subject: Re: When to plant?

From: smac@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()

Date: 2 Feb 1997 18:17:20 GMT

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Leigh R Hidell (lrh02@gnofn.org) wrote:

: najara <najara@swbell.net> wrote:

: : Can anyone advise me on the best time to put out my seeds?  Also, which 

: : herbs I should start indoors?  This will be my first outdoor herb 

: : garden. I'm in Dallas, zone 2 I think, according to the seed packets. 

: : Any advice is greatly appreciated, including: which ones I should plant 

: : together, how much of each, etc...

: : T



: Probably zone 8 or 9 for Dallas, TX not zone  2 unless you're

: using a different zone system?    Anyway, you should already

: be starting your seeds indoor for veggies & herbs that can

: go out after last  frost date.  Mine is  March 15-20



Lucky Duck!!  I live just inside the Arctic Circle and we are lucky

to plant by May - tender bedding plants don't go out until after May 21st!



So I grow catnip each summer to ease our winter colds!  In fact,

from one plant (that went to seed after I harvested some, and then

scattered the rest in my yard for the neighborhood felines,) I had some

thirty catnip plantings, wild, all over my yard five years later.  The

cats slink around like junkies all summer.  Anyway, I harvest some, eat 

it fresh in salad, dry it for the winter, transplant some into each of my

gardens (apparently it helps keep some bugs away), and give a lot away.

It's perennial.



I also had GREAT luck growing french tarragon.  The little stick I

planted five years ago is about the size of a hedge!  Except for a small amount

that I use in seasoning and bath preparations, I don't know what else to

do with it. Each year I chop it down, and each spring it starts up from a

twig and grows into a shrub.  It smells nice. 



Mints and chammomile are easy to grow but you have to keep the mints

"penned" or they spread via their root system.  Voice of experience, I am

still picking mint out from everywhere.  



Parsley takes a long time to sprout, but fresh organic parsley is worth

the wait and it dries very well.   



Among some of my grandmother's "wives tales" are these: plant flax with

your potatoes; basil and carrots among your tomatoes, hemp with your

cabbage family plants (reputedly keeps moths away - I tried it but almost

got arrested.  Live & learn.) dill is supposedly good for cabbage family 

plants, but not for carrots. Do not plant fennel near tomatoes, or any 

other vegetable. Pennyroyal and tansy can be grown near doorways to keep

ants away. Tansy is useful to plant with fruit or berry trees to keep

bugs, flies and ants.  We don't use tansy as a tea, but would sometimes

bathe in a strong tea mixed with salt, as children, to help keep 

mosquitoes away. I don't remember if it worked.  We used to also collect

blossoms of mayflower - which seems to be a lot like chammomile, and make a

strong tea of them which we bathed in to relieve itchy mosquito bites.  It

also gave our hair and skin a golden hue. 



Fennel is nice planted in a spot by itself, as is wormwood. "they don't

get along well with others."  Poppies can be used to choke out weeds,

because they are vigorous and take a lot out of the soil.  Sage likes a

dryish, sunny spot and if properly treated will produce marvelous aromatic fuzzy leaves.  I

haven't had any luck getting sage to come back a second year.  Oregano,

however, seems to be a hardy perennial.  It gets woody after a while and

needs to be dug up and the roots separated.  



Yarrow and horseradish grow wild all over the place around here. But

horseradish can be planted (one on each side) of your potato bed.    

  

Garlic is something I plant in profusion each fall.  Supposedly it has a

positive effect on the garden, helping keep nasty insects at bay...but it

should never be planted near potatoes or beans. (Plant marigolds with your

beans - use the blossoms as a substitute for saffron or as a soothing bath

additive.)



Molly





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Subject: Re: When to plant?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Do Nimh)

Date: 1 Feb 1997 01:00:09 -0700

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najara <najara@swbell.net> wrote:



>Can anyone advise me on the best time to put out my seeds?  Also, which 

>herbs I should start indoors?  This will be my first outdoor herb 

>garden. I'm in Dallas, zone 2 I think, according to the seed packets. 

  The seed packets are usually wrong.  Go to the library and find

a gardening book that is Texas-based.

  The west  can use Sunset Magazine's excellent gardening book,

so there must be something similar for the rest of the US.  Maybe

Southern Living has one?



>Any advice is greatly appreciated, including: which ones I should plant 

>together, how much of each, etc...



Callie



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To: Sandy <sandy@pacifier.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. john'swort banned?

From: caughlan@axionet.com

Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:01:19 -0800

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Hi Sandy

Unfortunatly we have to worry about Hypericum being banned. On that same

list includes over 200 other herbs that may only be available by

prescription with a couple of years. I am part of a growing movement to

bring awarness to this here in Canada. It comes on the tail of CODEX

(read previous message on newsgroup re CODEX, it's pretty accurate

information). This is not just a Canadian problem either. The US

fortunatly recognizes the money to be made by the health food industry

and has somewhat made a difference to international business

perspectives. But what if they faced sanctions by the rest of the world

if they refuse to remove herbs and supplements from the shelves? We are

very scared of all of this. Our Health Protection Branch wants to make

it impossible for us to purchase many herbs such as ginkgo, cayenne,

aloe, echinacea, etc without a prescription. We have to become aware.

This is our fredom of choice being taken away, regardless if you use

herbs or not!

Stacelynn Caughlan

WestCoast Wholistic Resources





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Subject: Re: St. john'swort banned?

From: Tom@fake.com (Tom Howard)

Date: 1 Feb 1997 02:34:27 GMT

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In article <32F013B9.6D38@jumppoint.com>, rgrace@jumppoint.com says...

>

>Last September? I heard on CTV in Canada that the federal govt. was

>going to ban St. John'swort. Can't find any details on it though.

>Anyone who knows anything of this report, please let me know. It came

>on the heels of the British Medical establishment report that it does

>work as an anti-depressant. I have to wonder if the government isn't 

>protecting Eli Lillys' monopoly on Prozac, another, more expensive anti-

>depressant. 

>Thanks, Kerry

>-- 

>rgrace@jumppoint.com



The "they are going to ban vitamins and herbs" scare has been going on for 

the past 5 or 6 years in this country and it has yet to come to pass.  During 

this period of time we have actually seen more de-regulation of supplements 

like melatonin and (my really big suprise) DHEA.



I have no doubts that doctors and pharmaceutical companies would LOVE to ban 

all vitamins and herbs under the pretense that we are all too stupid and are 

mis-using these things.  Certainly it is true that *some* people abuse these 

substances....



If they tried to ban vitamins in this country you would probably have a big 

uproar because the alternate health industry is growing by leaps and bounds 

and has become immensely popular....one has to wonder if some of the 

pharmaceutical companies aren't even investing in the herbal supplement 

industry themselves and coming out with competitive products (under a 

"sub-company" or whatever you call it).



I'd really freak if they de-regulated testosterone and also lifted the ban on 

tryptophan....then we'd know the talks of Draconian tactics to rid the 

landscape of alternate medicine is more gravy than of the grave.



The next couple of years will be really interesting...BTW does anyone know 

what Clinton/Gore's stand on this is?



I guess it depends on which special interest group is funneling them the most 

money....:(



;)







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Subject: Re: St. john'swort banned?

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 1 Feb 1997 08:42:50 GMT

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sandy@pacifier.com (Sandy) wrote:

>Does anyone know if the Hypericum Calcynium (evergreen groundcover) variety

>of St. John's wort is as herbally effective as the original variety?

>

>

>--Sandy



No medicinal effects--too bad too, those big flowers wouldn't take long 

to pick. ;>

When in doubt, rub some leaves or flowers between your fingers.  The red 

stain is the hypericin.  Also look through the leaf towards the sun and 

you should be able to see transparent dots.



I read somewhere that California had declared it a noxious weed and they 

wanted to eliminate it from the public lands and roadsides.  Anyone know 

if this is true, and if they are really going to try to kill it?



Deb

-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Subject: Re: St. john'swort banned?

From: Diane Greene <greened@ucs.orst.edu>

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:17:12 -0800

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On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Connie wrote:



> > I haven't heard of it here.  Don't worry - just plant a large, dry, area of

> > poor soil with it, and you'll have a lifetime supply!  It's such a

> > beautiful evergreen plant!

> 

> Oh, goodness, no. Don't plant it.  Just go to northeastern Washington (I

> presume southeastern B.C. as well) and gather it by the armload.  It's

> considered a noxious weed where I come from (and yes, I'm an adherent of

> the philosophy that there's no such thing as a weed), and no one I know

> can keep up with the +supply+.<g>

> 

> Klondike

> 

Botanically, a weed is a plant that exists outside its native habitat and 

successfully competes with native plants of its new habitat. Some obvious 

examples are scotch broom in the pacific northwest of North America and 

himalaya berry in the same area. These species overtake vast areas to the 

exclusion of native species.



If St. John's Wort is native to Washington, It may not be advisable to go 

and pick to the hearts content of the wild populations, especially 

commercially, if this would endanger the genetic diversity.

On the other hand if it is truly a weed there, then by all means, pick to 

the hearts content. You will save much labor for the local native plant 

society.

Get educated before you clearcut.

 





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Subject: Re: St. john'swort banned?

From: Connie Monson <cmonson@emory.edu>

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 02:05:16 -0500

--------

Diane Greene wrote:

> 

> On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Connie wrote:

> 

> > > I haven't heard of it here.  Don't worry - just plant a large, dry, area of

> > > poor soil with it, and you'll have a lifetime supply!  It's such a

> > > beautiful evergreen plant!

> >

> > Oh, goodness, no. Don't plant it.  Just go to northeastern Washington (I

> > presume southeastern B.C. as well) and gather it by the armload.  It's

> > considered a noxious weed where I come from (and yes, I'm an adherent of

> > the philosophy that there's no such thing as a weed), and no one I know

> > can keep up with the +supply+.<g>

> >

> > Klondike

> >

> Botanically, a weed is a plant that exists outside its native habitat and

> successfully competes with native plants of its new habitat. Some obvious

> examples are scotch broom in the pacific northwest of North America and

> himalaya berry in the same area. These species overtake vast areas to the

> exclusion of native species.

> 

> If St. John's Wort is native to Washington, It may not be advisable to go

> and pick to the hearts content of the wild populations, especially

> commercially, if this would endanger the genetic diversity.

> On the other hand if it is truly a weed there, then by all means, pick to

> the hearts content. You will save much labor for the local native plant

> society.

> Get educated before you clearcut.

> 



Yes, thanks for clarifying that for me.  St. John's Wort is an exotic

species in eastern Washington, and IS a weed in the ways you mention

(competition with native species, placement on the state's weed list,

etc.).  I realize the likelihood is not great that folks will come

a-flocking there to get their SJW needs met, but I wanted to warn

against planting a species difficult to control.



Cheers,

Connie





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Subject: Re: Large Babies

From: lsaegert@sprynet.com (lsaegert)

Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 23:18:50 GMT

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On 30 Jan 1997 11:27:47 GMT, traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE) wrote:

My oldest son was 10 lbs. 10 ozs. at birth and my yougest son was 9 lbs. 5

ozs. and there is no diabetes in either family!

Linda

>Menmei say says she always had big babies-close to 10 pounds.

>

>I read that large babies (10 lb.) are indicative of diabetes in the

>mother, or that the mother will develop diabetes. Anyone else ever hear of

>that?  T.



Searching:

Denemark/Denmark, Malkan, Silverstein, Saegert

From Augustow, Poland, Minsk, and Sczcuczyn, Poland





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Large Babies

From: "Duquette et al" <minmei@ids.net>

Date: 1 Feb 1997 02:29:49 GMT

--------

lsaegert <lsaegert@sprynet.com> wrote in article

<32f57bc1.887417@news.interserv.com>...

> On 30 Jan 1997 11:27:47 GMT, traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE) wrote:

> My oldest son was 10 lbs. 10 ozs. at birth and my yougest son was 9 lbs.

5

> ozs. and there is no diabetes in either family!

> Linda



Having two or more babies that weigh over 9 lbs raises your chances for

diabetes when you get older.  Other stuff does too though, that's just one

of them.

	minmei







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Large Babies

From: aprilw@inforamp.net (April)

Date: 1 Feb 1997 03:05:03 GMT

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>>

>>I read that large babies (10 lb.) are indicative of diabetes in the

>>mother, or that the mother will develop diabetes. Anyone else ever hear of

>>that?  T.



While it's true that diabetic woman can produce big babies, that doesn't 

necessarily have to be the case.  However, I was gestationally diabetic (and 

insulin dependent in the last 3 months) and my baby was 8 lbs. 8 oz.  Not big 

by most people's standards, but considering I was 100 lbs soaking wet when I 

conceived, it was big by MY standards.  :)



April





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:Large Babies

From: tansy@ix.netcom.com(Karenelisa & Carl Broyles )

Date: 2 Feb 1997 01:54:33 GMT

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My mother delivered me at 9 lb.s 4 oz, my sister at somewhere just

under 9 lb.s.  She never developed diabetes; she also informed me that

Danes (she was the daughter of two Danish immigrants) routinely deliver

babies in the 9 - 12 lb. range, and that typical U.S. birthweights

would be considered "small" there.  As far as I know, diabetes is not

any more prevalent in Denmark than in the U.S.  But all of this is

anecdotal, you understand.



--Karen



P.S. I live in Louisiana, too -- where are you?  Will you show me where

the cleavers are growing?  :)  I'm also looking for nettles, and

haven't the first idea where to start looking.  

 





In <19970130112701.GAA04347@ladder01.news.aol.com> traiteusse@aol.com

(TRAITEUSSE) writes: 

>

>Menmei say says she always had big babies-close to 10 pounds.

>

>I read that large babies (10 lb.) are indicative of diabetes in the

>mother, or that the mother will develop diabetes. Anyone else ever

hear of

>that?  T.







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Subject: Re: Re:Large Babies

From: lolack@aol.com (LolaCK)

Date: 3 Feb 1997 03:54:55 GMT

--------

My mother delivered my younger brother at a fraction short of eleven

pounds.  She developed diabetes two years later at age twenty eight.  



Lola





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Subject: Re: Large Babies

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:45:38 +0000

--------

In article <32f5e1d5.451922@news.navix.net>, Digital books

<mk95528@navix.net> writes snipped most interesting article for brevity.

>On 30 Jan 1997 11:27:47 GMT, traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE) wrote:

>

>

>Is our weight our fate? Does our size at birth foreshadow our risk

>of suffering the most common miseries of old age -- illnesses such as

>heart disease, strokes, high blood pressure, even some kinds of

>cancer?

>

>

>Furthermore, even among those who believe birth weight counts,

>researchers argue over just how much.

>

>"It is very important to emphasize that the vast majority of people

>who have hypertension had normal birth weights," said Dr. Gary C.

>Curhan of Harvard. "It isn't the explanation for all heart disease or

>diabetes. It is one piece of the puzzle."

>

>In the end, birth weight may turn out to be one more bit of useful

>medical history, such as knowing that heart attacks run in the family.

>

>Those who were born small may need to be especially careful to keep

>their blood pressure and cholesterol under control, while those who

>started life big may need to be extra-sure they get mammograms or

>prostate cancer screening.



I was most intrested in your article, having had two large babies

myself, both around the 10 1b mark.

My daughter indeed has problems with cancer cells in the utterus, and

will soon need a hystorectomy. my son at the moment is healthy. but I

will show him this article to alert him to the possibility of prostrate

problems.



Both my babies turned into slim, tall adults. and are on the whole very

healthy. with strong hearts, no signs of diabeitis, ( though it runs in

the family) I found during my pregnancy that the cravings I had, were

often a shortage of some vitimin or mineral, and found that using a good

vitimin and mineral suppliment helped to reduce those cravings

immensley. I was fortunate to have a doctor at that time who was

extremly intrested in Nutrition.

My son gave me a craving for raw meat especialy liver. so I made sure my

Iron intake was improved. it again reduced the craving for raw meat, 

that could have damaged my own or my babies health.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,rec.pets.dogs.health

Subject: Yucca for dog arthritis

From: jean@noao.edu (Jean Goodrich)

Date: 1 Feb 1997 00:46:13 GMT

--------





I would be interested in trying yucca to ease arthritis that's

developing in my dog's shoulder. We're keeping stiffness and aches

under control now with Ascripton. Has anyone ever tried yucca on

a dog? What would be the appropriate dosage based on weight?



It's been about 15 years now, but I used to see a riding instructor 

who saved a nearly lame old mare from being put down by giving her

yucca pellets. By the time I knew this animal, she was one of the

school ponies -- a great jumper and with a very smooth trot.





Thanks for any input!



Jean and Indigo, the trouble-prone dalmatian









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Looking for Homeopathy books

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 1 Feb 1997 02:10:33 GMT

--------

In article <joereidomd-ya023480002901972349110001@news.leonardo.net>,

joereidomd@leonardo.net writes:



>Pharmaceutical Science in Homeopathy and

>Pharmacodynamics by K.P.Muzumdar  B.Jain Publishers  Includes an

>interesting herbal-style materia medica - $1.85 hardcover ( ! )



That's because it's published in India.  B Jain is great little publisher

and the reprinter of many homeopathic classics.  Their fax is

91-11-7510471 or you can write to them at PO Box 5775 New Delhi 110 055

INDIA.



They also have a fairly good selection of Ayurvedic herbals. The quality

of their books tends to vary -- some last forever, some fall apart almost

as soon as you open them.  However, they're cheap enough to make it

worthwhile to rebind them. 



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of St. John's Wort?

From: Tom@fake.com (Tom Howard)

Date: 1 Feb 1997 02:22:48 GMT

--------

In article <5cpo6t$qgc$1@nadine.teleport.com>, deb@mtjeff.com says...

>

>lolack@aol.com (LolaCK) wrote:

>>Watch what you eat when using SJW ... it acts just like a MAO inhibitor

>>and interacts badly with certain foods, aged cheese, chicken livers,

>>pickled things, etc.

>>

>>Lola

>

>I have eaten a lot of Hypericum [St. John's Wort] over the years both 

>fresh & tinctured.  I have never had a problem with interactions. 

>

>Different strokes, different folks... Treat all herbs carefully and with 

>caution.  If they weren't powerful medicines we probably wouldn't bother 

>using them.  ;>

>

>Deb

>-- 

>Deb's Endeavors

>deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

>disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

>set of challenges.

>

>

I've heard that it does something funny when encountering the amino acid 

tyramine.  Don't know the specifics, Im not a medical person.  Apparently 

this bad reaction can cause coma and death in some people taking MAO 

inhibitors....this has happened with the prescription synthetic MAO 

stuff..maybe some people just assume that because hypericin acts as a mao 

inhibitor it has the same dangerous side effects?



I wish someone would definitevely state whether or not this danger exists 

when using St. Johns wort!







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of St. John's Wort?

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 1 Feb 1997 09:07:55 GMT

--------

Tom@fake.com (Tom Howard) wrote:

>In article <5cpo6t$qgc$1@nadine.teleport.com>, deb@mtjeff.com says...

>>

>>lolack@aol.com (LolaCK) wrote:

>>>Watch what you eat when using SJW ... it acts just like a MAO inhibitor

>>>and interacts badly with certain foods, aged cheese, chicken livers,

>>>pickled things, etc.

>>>

>>>Lola

>>

>>I have eaten a lot of Hypericum [St. John's Wort] over the years both 

>>fresh & tinctured.  I have never had a problem with interactions. 

>>

>>Different strokes, different folks... Treat all herbs carefully and with 

>>caution.  If they weren't powerful medicines we probably wouldn't bother 

>>using them.  ;>

>>

>>Deb

>>-- 

>>Deb's Endeavors

>>deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

>>disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

>>set of challenges.

>>

>>

>I've heard that it does something funny when encountering the amino acid 

>tyramine.  Don't know the specifics, Im not a medical person.  Apparently 

>this bad reaction can cause coma and death in some people taking MAO 

>inhibitors....this has happened with the prescription synthetic MAO 

>stuff..maybe some people just assume that because hypericin acts as a mao 

>inhibitor it has the same dangerous side effects?

>

>I wish someone would definitevely state whether or not this danger exists 

>when using St. Johns wort!

>



A very informative spot to bookmark <http://www.hypericum.com>

I lifted the following from there.



3. Do not take hypericum while taking mono-amino-oxidase (MAO) inhibitors

                such as Nardil or Parnate. It appears that hypericum 

works at least in part as a

                serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SRI). Combining an SRI with 

an MAO inhibitor can

                produce a dangerous rise in blood pressure. After 

stopping MAO inhibitors, one

                should wait four weeks before taking any SRIs -- 

prescription or hypericum. This

                caution, however, is not based on specific medical 

research on hypericum and

                MAO inhibitors, but on what is known about prescription 

SRIs and MAO

                inhibitors. Until further research is done on how and why 

hypericum works to

                alleviate the symptoms of depression, hypericum should be 

considered an SRI and

                treated accordingly. 



Deb



-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.





































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Subject: Re: Side effects of St. John's Wort?

From: allegra <allegra@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 10:19:54 -0800

--------

> 

> Are you aware of any evidence -- formal or anecdotal -- that this has ever

> happened to any SJW users?



It happened to me.  I developed splitting headaches on SJW and, being a

medical assistant pulled out my handy dandy blood pressure cuff and

checked it out.  Sure enough my BP was up almost 30 points more than

normal for me.  I had just come from a pizza party and consumed a fair

share.  I had posted about this and got 2 emails from other people who

were having severe headaches and was taking SJW.  Now, maybe it was a

coincindence and maybe not.  All I am saying is be careful.  



Allegra





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of St. John's Wort?

From: william@cyberramp.net (william ragsdale)

Date: 2 Feb 1997 21:27:31 GMT

--------

In article <32F3894A.1771@sprintmail.com>, allegra@sprintmail.com says...

>

>> 

>> Are you aware of any evidence -- formal or anecdotal -- that this has ever

>> happened to any SJW users?

>

>It happened to me.  I developed splitting headaches on SJW and, being a

>medical assistant pulled out my handy dandy blood pressure cuff and

>checked it out.  Sure enough my BP was up almost 30 points more than

>normal for me.  I had just come from a pizza party and consumed a fair

>share.  I had posted about this and got 2 emails from other people who

>were having severe headaches and was taking SJW.  Now, maybe it was a

>coincindence and maybe not.  All I am saying is be careful.  

>

>Allegra



What doseage were you taking and was this a standardized extract or just the 

raw herb?  Just curious..thanks!







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Subject: Re: Side effects of St. John's Wort?

From: allegra <allegra@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 18:10:51 -0800

--------

StJ Wort extract, Enzymatic Therapy 0.3% hypericin....330mg.  I honestly

don't remember how many times a day I took it but it was the recommended

dosage for depression.  As an adjunct to my previous post I told my

Psych. about the headaches and he just nodded his head as if to say

"yep, tell me something I didn't know"



Allegra





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of St. John's Wort?

From: Larry Semark <semark@unm.edu>

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 21:11:52 -0700

--------

allegra wrote:

> 

> >

> > Are you aware of any evidence -- formal or anecdotal -- that this has ever

> > happened to any SJW users?

> 

> It happened to me.  I developed splitting headaches on SJW and, being a



I had the same experiences.  Also, I was always tired and weak.



Larry





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of St. John's Wort?

From: wstatler@oneworld.owt.com (William Statler)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 22:25:57 GMT

--------

Tom@fake.com (Tom Howard) wrote:



>>lolack@aol.com (LolaCK) wrote:

>>>Watch what you eat when using SJW ... it acts just like a MAO inhibitor

>>>and interacts badly with certain foods, aged cheese, chicken livers,

>>>pickled things, etc.



>I've heard that it does something funny when encountering the amino acid 

>tyramine.  Don't know the specifics, Im not a medical person.  Apparently 

>this bad reaction can cause coma and death in some people taking MAO 

>inhibitors....this has happened with the prescription synthetic MAO 

>stuff..maybe some people just assume that because hypericin acts as a mao 

>inhibitor it has the same dangerous side effects?



This is probably a valid assumption to make, if you want to be

cautious.  "MAO (mono-amine oxidase) inhibitor" is a rather specific

description of what hypericin does, biochemically.  (Well, of one

thing that it does, at least.)  It interferes with an enzyme called

mono-amine oxidase, which normally catalyzes the breakdown of

monoamines such as tyramine (found in cheeses, etc.) and many

synthetic and natural drugs.  If this breakdown pathway is blocked,

these substances can build up in the body and cause unexpected

(possibly dangerous) effects.



>I wish someone would definitevely state whether or not this danger exists 

>when using St. Johns wort!



The 1984 version of the German Commission E monograph for St. John's

Wort states: "Hypericin has been shown experimentally to be a

monoamineoxidase inhibitor."  On the other hand, it also says

"Interactions: None known."



I would guess this means that the MAO inhibitor effect has been

demonstrated in the lab, but there are no _documented_ cases of people

becoming ill from mixing St. John's Wort and monoamines.  But I'm just

guessing.



For myself, I'd prefer not to be that first documented case, so I'd be

rather cautious about what I mixed St. John's Wort with.  Somewhere on

the Web there must be some good information about MAO inhibitors and

how not to misuse them; I know the psychedelics/entheogens crowd is

very interested in this with regard to ayahuasca mixtures.



=-=-= Bill Statler =-=-=







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To: wstatler@owt.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Side effects of St. John's Wort?

From: "Jeanne (& Gary) Ross" <ross@together.net>

Date: 9 Feb 97 23:29:01 GMT

--------

Hi Bill.  Here did you get the German Komission E monograph?  I'd love to 

get a look at it and any others available as well.  Is there a Web site 

per chance?



Gary







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Muscles twitching at night

From: manjari@sprynet.com

Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 17:46:02 -1000

--------

Hi, all--



What is the cause of night time muscle twitching? It's not like spasming in

pain, just intermittent twitching. It twitches for 30 seconds and it stops,

and then it starts twitching agian later. Is it lack of electrolytes or

something? It's different muscles at different times, not all the time,

just maybe a few times a month. Is there something to take to stop it?



Please email as well as post if you reply. Thanks!



Katherine





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Muscles twitching at night

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Do Nimh)

Date: 1 Feb 1997 01:00:08 -0700

--------

manjari@sprynet.com wrote:



>Hi, all--

>What is the cause of night time muscle twitching? It's not like spasming in

>pain, just intermittent twitching. It twitches for 30 seconds and it stops,

>and then it starts twitching agian later



Try boosting your calcium intake.  

Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | http://www.writepage.com

(the real place to e-mail)| Genre Fiction Publicity

spambait -- postmaster@127.0.0.1

                 abuse@127.0.0.1

               support@127.0.0.1









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Muscles twitching at night

From: Leigh R Hidell <lrh02@gnofn.org>

Date: 1 Feb 1997 19:23:16 GMT

--------

manjari@sprynet.com wrote:

: What is the cause of night time muscle twitching? It's not like spasming in

: pain, just intermittent twitching. It twitches for 30 seconds and it stops,

: and then it starts twitching agian later. Is it lack of electrolytes or

: something? It's different muscles at different times, not all the time,

: just maybe a few times a month. Is there something to take to stop it?



Lack of I think potassium.  In any case, it stopped immediately

when I followed the Rx given to a friend w/ a similar problem --

buy a LOT of bananas & eat several.  Then eat as many as you

can over the next few days.  Really, after the first day, when

I ate 5 or 6 bananas, I never twitched again.



However, I've heard of other causes.  This is what worked for me.

                                      --Leigh







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Muscles twitching at night

From: cmay@chelsea.ios.com (Camellia May)

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 07:37:19 GMT

--------

Leigh R Hidell <lrh02@gnofn.org> wrote:



>manjari@sprynet.com wrote:

>: What is the cause of night time muscle twitching? It's not like spasming in

>: pain, just intermittent twitching. It twitches for 30 seconds and it stops,

>: and then it starts twitching agian later. Is it lack of electrolytes or

>: something? 



Try taking a good calcium-magnesium supplement.  You should also

include dark green leafy vegetables into your diet atleast 1 or 2

servings per day.

Camellia







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To: manjari@sprynet.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Muscles twitching at night

From: Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu>

Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 09:27:32 -0500

--------

On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 manjari@sprynet.com wrote:



> Hi, all--

> 

> What is the cause of night time muscle twitching? It's not like spasming in

> pain, just intermittent twitching. It twitches for 30 seconds and it stops,

> and then it starts twitching agian later. Is it lack of electrolytes or

> something? It's different muscles at different times, not all the time,

> just maybe a few times a month. Is there something to take to stop it?

> 

> Please email as well as post if you reply. Thanks!

> 

> Katherine

> 

> 

	You might try taking a B-complex supplement every day.  Sometimes

muscle twitching such as what you were describing is caused by a slight

deficiency in one of the B vitamins, B1 I think.







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: where to purchase

From: cdstewart@mindspring.com (C.D.Stewart)

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 03:59:33 GMT

--------

On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 21:07:37 +0000, Philip Barker

<barker@hiron.demon.co.uk> wrote:



can anyone please point me in the right direction( the Uk) for buying

such things as hawthorn, skullcap etc. 

-- thanks

Philip Barker





You live in the UK and want to know how to buy Hawthorne? Damn, all

the herbogarbologists here in the US make us think that Hawthorne is

second only to tea for drinking in your countries.







___



Known affectionately by Bill & Hillary as "that old fart".





==========

To: emonroe@erols.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tisane or herbal tea?

From: paulb <paulb@netcom.ca>

Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 23:33:50 -0500

--------

emonroe@erols.com wrote:

> 

> Hello!

> 

> Can anyone clarify the difference between a tisane and herbal tea?

> Would anyone have any suggestions to any good books about such? I'm especially

> interested in any references to herbal teas\tisanes in regards to the Victorian Period.

> 

> I know these requests sound odd, so I should explain that I'm developing one of those

> "Solve the murder" mysteries for dinner theater in the local community.

> I would appreciate any help possible!

> Thanks in advance!

> 

> emonroe@erols.com



Okay, from what I have read this is the difference. . .



A tisane is made by seeping fresh or dried herbs in hot water to make an

infusion.  Herbal teas are are made by flavoring table teas with herbs.



As for your second request, are you looking for information on high tea

or medicinal tea?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Strep  Throat

From: clrobbins7@aol.com (CLRobbins7)

Date: 1 Feb 1997 06:38:11 GMT

--------

My post was the original start of these discussions and since it was

posted I have done quite a lot of research some of the things that I have

read:

From MedicineNet - Strep Throat

"The presence of a red, somewhat rough-to-the-touch rash is also a

concern, as strip infection along with a rash is known as scarlet fever

(no more dangerous than strep throat without a rash, but this is a term

that coontinues to strike fear into parents' hearts!)





Prematurely discontinuing antibiotics can result in the infection being

inadequately treated with potentially adverse consequences.  The condition

known as rheumatic fever is a disease that affects the joints and heart

and is caused by untreated or inadequately treated strep infection.



Another complication that can occure after inadequately treeated strep

throat is a kidney inflammation called glomerulonephritis.  This can cause

decreased kidney function, and blood and protein in the urine."



From Guide to Medicinal Herbs Online:Sore Throat

"In the case of severe sore throat, a doctor should determine the cause

and treatment.  Most often, only a throat culture can rule out strep

throat, and antibiotics should be prescribed by the doctor for this

condition."



Antibiotics are definitely required.  A caution though.  Most of the

material that I came up with stated that strep throat is characterized by

a fever and sever sore throat.  My throat had a slight burning sensation

only on the first night.  After that it did  not hurt.  I ran a fever of

only one degree higher than normal.  The reason I knew that it was not

just a normal cold was the severe tiredness and the fact that the things I

usually find help from were not .



The question is still  :  Why must I take a man made antibiotic when

nature has this in her chest of of medications - and - what would be

likely alternatives - and - in what forms - and -  in what dosage?



One of the suggestions that I recieved suggested taking two teaspoons of 

coloidal silver three times a day for use as an antibiotic.  I don't know

enough about coloidal silver yet to say if it works or not because I

simply have not had time to check into it and I will not put anything in

my body that I haven't at least read information about.



I would like to say thank you to the people who did respond to the

original post that 

was made and let you all know that I am feeling much better now though I

know it will be a while before I feel "normal".



BFN,Lynn 













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Strep  Throat

From: BLZ Bub <geoffb@webspan.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 11:51:38 -0800

--------

Colonel Lyle M. Webster wrote:

> 

> How about a good dose of Colloidal Silver? Swallowed and/or gargled with.

> The virus should die in a manner of minutes.  Disclaimer: No I am not

> practicing medicine. Use your own judgement. It works for me.



Strep throat is NOT caused by a virus, it is a dangerous BACTERIAL

infection that if not treated properly CAN kill you from complications.

Anyone who self treats him/herself for this with herbs and folk

medicines runs the risk of dying from this just as our grandparents did.

If your sore throat is accompanied by a high fever and pustules in your

mouth, you had better seek the attention of a medical doctor and take

the

medicine he/she prescribes for you.







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Strep  Throat

From: mmartin@bgsm.edu (Martha Martin)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 06:31:31 GMT

--------

Please take the sound advice of BLZBub:  I work in a large trauma

center microbiology laboratory.  Strep infections must be properly

diagnosed and treated with an antibiotic regimen for 10 days.  This

will prevent the Strep bacteria from surfacing many years later in the

heart or kidney often causing serious, if not, fatal disease!  Please

don't try to home-cure this one!







On Sat, 01 Feb 1997 11:51:38 -0800, BLZ Bub <geoffb@webspan.net>

wrote:



>Colonel Lyle M. Webster wrote:

>> 

>> How about a good dose of Colloidal Silver? Swallowed and/or gargled with.

>> The virus should die in a manner of minutes.  Disclaimer: No I am not

>> practicing medicine. Use your own judgement. It works for me.

>

>Strep throat is NOT caused by a virus, it is a dangerous BACTERIAL

>infection that if not treated properly CAN kill you from complications.

>Anyone who self treats him/herself for this with herbs and folk

>medicines runs the risk of dying from this just as our grandparents did.

>If your sore throat is accompanied by a high fever and pustules in your

>mouth, you had better seek the attention of a medical doctor and take

>the

>medicine he/she prescribes for you.

>







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Strep  Throat

From: daltons@sonic.net (Glenn Dalton)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 11:06:53 GMT

--------

On Sat, 01 Feb 1997 11:51:38 -0800, BLZ Bub <geoffb@webspan.net>

wrote:



>Colonel Lyle M. Webster wrote:

>> 

>> How about a good dose of Colloidal Silver? Swallowed and/or gargled with.

>> The virus should die in a manner of minutes.  Disclaimer: No I am not

>> practicing medicine. Use your own judgement. It works for me.

>

>Strep throat is NOT caused by a virus, it is a dangerous BACTERIAL

>infection that if not treated properly CAN kill you from complications.

>Anyone who self treats him/herself for this with herbs and folk

>medicines runs the risk of dying from this just as our grandparents did.

>If your sore throat is accompanied by a high fever and pustules in your

>mouth, you had better seek the attention of a medical doctor and take

>the

>medicine he/she prescribes for you.

>





Serious conditions require serious interventions.  Strep is nothing to

mess with.  Go and get some anti-biotics.  Make sure to take them ALL.

Otherwise it defeats the purpose of taking them if you relapse or pass

on a resistant bacteria to someone else. 



Now that you have the ANTI part done lets do the PRO part.



Get yourself some youghert or some of that acidophlus stuff - maybe

take a vitimin suppliment.  The anti-biotic will be killing off

intestinal bacteria....



Another thing to do is get some Bentonite clay and gargle with a

soloution of it.  I know it sounds gross but it has a negative charge

and the little colloidal particles "stick" to staph bacteria and

physically bind to them.  You can even swallow if if you like (but I

would just spit it out).



You can try the immune boosting herbs such as echinacea, burdock,

astragilus, or ocea root.  Echinacea when you make it strong in tea

actually has alkaloids in it that make your throat and toung numb.

Cool huh?



Ok good luck and BE CAREFULL!  Staph is nothing to mess with.



Glenn





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Strep  Throat

From: "John Foster" <J2030@msn.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 16:08:29 -0800

--------

I don'y know the advantage of taking colloidal silver over any antibiotics,

at least some anti-biotics are selective and colloidal silver kills allthe

intestinal flora, it is non-selective, I think rhuematic fever is pretty

rare from strp throat. You can take 1\2 tsp. of cayenne,some fresh pounded

garlic and some honey, mix it up down it a tsp at a time, every couple of

hours and it should take care of strep

CLRobbins7 <clrobbins7@aol.com> wrote in article

<19970201063800.BAA02587@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> My post was the original start of these discussions and since it was

> posted I have done quite a lot of research some of the things that I have

> read:

> From MedicineNet - Strep Throat

> "The presence of a red, somewhat rough-to-the-touch rash is also a

> concern, as strip infection along with a rash is known as scarlet fever

> (no more dangerous than strep throat without a rash, but this is a term

> that coontinues to strike fear into parents' hearts!)

> 

> 

> Prematurely discontinuing antibiotics can result in the infection being

> inadequately treated with potentially adverse consequences.  The

condition

> known as rheumatic fever is a disease that affects the joints and heart

> and is caused by untreated or inadequately treated strep infection.

> 

> Another complication that can occure after inadequately treeated strep

> throat is a kidney inflammation called glomerulonephritis.  This can

cause

> decreased kidney function, and blood and protein in the urine."

> 

> From Guide to Medicinal Herbs Online:Sore Throat

> "In the case of severe sore throat, a doctor should determine the cause

> and treatment.  Most often, only a throat culture can rule out strep

> throat, and antibiotics should be prescribed by the doctor for this

> condition."

> 

> Antibiotics are definitely required.  A caution though.  Most of the

> material that I came up with stated that strep throat is characterized by

> a fever and sever sore throat.  My throat had a slight burning sensation

> only on the first night.  After that it did  not hurt.  I ran a fever of

> only one degree higher than normal.  The reason I knew that it was not

> just a normal cold was the severe tiredness and the fact that the things

I

> usually find help from were not .

> 

> The question is still  :  Why must I take a man made antibiotic when

> nature has this in her chest of of medications - and - what would be

> likely alternatives - and - in what forms - and -  in what dosage?

> 

> One of the suggestions that I recieved suggested taking two teaspoons of 

> coloidal silver three times a day for use as an antibiotic.  I don't know

> enough about coloidal silver yet to say if it works or not because I

> simply have not had time to check into it and I will not put anything in

> my body that I haven't at least read information about.

> 

> I would like to say thank you to the people who did respond to the

> original post that 

> was made and let you all know that I am feeling much better now though I

> know it will be a while before I feel "normal".

> 

> BFN,Lynn 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Strep  Throat

From: BLZ Bub <geoffb@webspan.net>

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 17:43:37 -0800

--------

John Foster wrote:

> 

> I don'y know the advantage of taking colloidal silver over any antibiotics,

> at least some anti-biotics are selective and colloidal silver kills allthe

> intestinal flora, it is non-selective, I think rhuematic fever is pretty

> rare from strp throat. You can take 1\2 tsp. of cayenne,some fresh pounded

> garlic and some honey, mix it up down it a tsp at a time, every couple of

> hours and it should take care of strep



Rheumatic fever is a rare occurance after a strep throat??? That's a

dangerous assumption on your part. In fact, it is a common thing, the

most common cause of rheumatic fever, I wouldn't want to take the chance

of it happening to me.



You might want to treat a strep throat the way you say on yourself, but

I'll opt for a more conventional treatment the next time I get it.



Have you ever had it? It's NASTY, let me tell you. The pain is

incredible

and the fever debilitating. One dose of the proper antibiotic and the

symptoms begin to disappear in a matter of a few hours.

This is one illness that I'll trust my MD to treat.







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Subject: Re: Strep  Throat

From: diebschlag@aol.com

Date: 10 Feb 1997 18:22:54 GMT

--------

In article <5cj4r8$mi@news-e2b.gnn.com>, robnbrwn@gnn.com (Robin Brown)

writes:

>I cannot emphasize enough that ANYONE who has been *diagnosed* (via a lab



>culture) with Strep Through MUST take the antibiotics.  Otherwise you

risk 

>Scarlet Fever; which is extremely dangerous, and if it DOESN'T kill you 

>(mostly it kills children), it will give you permanent heart damage.<



Sorry to come in with a late question on this --



How do you know when to go for a lab test?  Does a strep throat present

any differently from any other kind of sore throat that would tell us to

test for strep?



Lots of people have sore throats all the time, by which I mean every

second week or so -- as you say, they occur even without infection.  Sore

throat is also just about the most common symptom of the common cold.  



I take your advice seriously (to treat strep with antibiotics), but this

makes it all the more important to know when to find out if a sore throat

IS strep, and I'm sure you're not recommending that every sore throat be

subjected to lab test.



Francesca









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Subject: Re: Strep  Throat

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 11 Feb 1997 16:04:47 GMT

--------

I worked as a lab tech for a public hospital in the late 50's doing

cultures for the heart association.  They funded a project that enabled

doctors to send throat swabs from patients with sore throats to us in a

special kit (we were only one of many labs that participated).  They were

trying to pin down the theory that strep was the mother of scarlet fever,

rheumatic fever and pyelonephritis.  (We received thousands of cultures

and I spent a good part of my day culturing them on petri dishes and then

reading them.)The connection was proven.  It was also proven that a doctor

cannot tell from looking at a sore throat whether or not it is strep

(Beta-hemolytic strep.).  The recommended procedure was to take a culture

of every sore throat they came across and not to treat with antibiotics

until they got the results to prevent developing a resistant strain.  Of

course that has not been followed-throat cultures are expensive, people

demand immediate treatment, etc.-and we now have a resistant deadly strain

of strep. floating around.  I still cringe when someone says "My doctor

says it's strep.," and no culture has been done.   I did have a

pediatrician for my kids that did cultures, they were expensive and yes, I

fretted the whole time.

T.

T.





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Subject: Re: Strep  Throat

From: nlopez@rt66.com (*NaNcY*)

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:03:21 GMT

--------

On 10 Feb 1997 18:22:54 GMT, diebschlag@aol.com wrote:



>In article <5cj4r8$mi@news-e2b.gnn.com>, robnbrwn@gnn.com (Robin Brown)

>writes:

>>I cannot emphasize enough that ANYONE who has been *diagnosed* (via a lab

>

>>culture) with Strep Through MUST take the antibiotics.  Otherwise you

>risk 

>>Scarlet Fever; which is extremely dangerous, and if it DOESN'T kill you 

>>(mostly it kills children), it will give you permanent heart damage.<

>

>Sorry to come in with a late question on this --

>

>How do you know when to go for a lab test?  Does a strep throat present

>any differently from any other kind of sore throat that would tell us to

>test for strep?

>

>Lots of people have sore throats all the time, by which I mean every

>second week or so -- as you say, they occur even without infection.  Sore

>throat is also just about the most common symptom of the common cold.  

>

>I take your advice seriously (to treat strep with antibiotics), but this

>makes it all the more important to know when to find out if a sore throat

>IS strep, and I'm sure you're not recommending that every sore throat be

>subjected to lab test.

>

>Francesca

>



As a person who use to have strep throat or Scarlet Fever or both  at

least once a year, I would rather get a lab test when I didn't have

strep than let it go and get as sick as is possible with either forms

of strep.  



Someone mentioned garlic, and I can promise that garlic is helpful

with prevention (not curing).  The last time I had strep it followed a

rather nasty bout with Scarlet fever.  I vowed to stop this yearly

torment.  I started taking garlic and haven't had a case of strep

since.  



As for Scarlet Fever, it is treated just like Strep throat and is no

longer life threatening (although you may feel like you are dying when

you have it).  People even survived bouts of Scarlet Fever before

their was penicillin.  My mother had it when she was a kid in the

1920s. She lost all her hair from the high fever she had, but

recovered.  Rheumatic Fever will weaken one's heart and it is the

possibility a person faces if they don't get proper treatment for

strep.







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Subject: Re: Herbs for Dizziness or ANemia?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Do Nimh)

Date: 1 Feb 1997 00:55:02 -0700

--------

jamcds@eden.rutgers.edu (RainFlower) wrote:



>Any suggestions for herbs to help with alleviating anemia...and dizziness?



The lack of sufficient hemoglobin is often cause for sizziness.



But, anemia is NOT the problem, it is the symptom of anything

fomr bleeding ulcers to a really bad diet, to leukemia and other

things.  You need to find out what is causing the anemia to get

rid of it.

Go see a doctor! Get some lab tests.

Callie



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Subject: Most skin problems are symptoms of inner heat.

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 02:02:14 -0600

--------

In Chinese traditional medicine, the herbalists sort inner heat to several 

types:

1.Windy heat.

    Halitosis and dry, daze, snuffle, headache, stick neck....



2.Wet heat.

    Feel hot, thirsty, concerntrated urine,  yellow fur on tongue, quick 

heartbeat, oily face....



3.Fire.

   Redden face and eyes, thirsty, fidget, constipation, strong 

heartbeat....



4.Toxic heat.

   Itch on face after meal, quick heartbeat, constipation, thirsty....



5.Day heat.



All heats will cause skin problems such as adult acne, eczema on the head, 

pimples, blackhead, Acne Rosacea.



Some herbs can sink heat from head and abate it to normal such as:

Chrysanthemi Flos,Rhei Rhizoma,Menthae Folium,Coptidis Rhizoma,

Scutellariae Radix,Phellodendri Wilsonii...

are all effective to acne, blackhead and other skin problems.



80% acne, blackhead and rosacea are oily skin on face, we usually use 

herbs to 

get rid of windy heat and wet heat first.



Dry skin with acne is something different to treat with.



Acupuncture Point Massage can also reduce and ease your skin problems.

I will teach you more knowledge about massage and herbs later at:

http://www.ttn.com.tw/~backman/



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Subject: Re: Most skin problems are symptoms of inner heat.

From: nicki@atcon.com

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 22:29:41 GMT

--------



Last time I checked, hormonal imbalances cause acne.



Nick







backman@mail.ttn.com.tw wrote:



>In Chinese traditional medicine, the herbalists sort inner heat to several 

>types:

>1.Windy heat.

>    Halitosis and dry, daze, snuffle, headache, stick neck....



>2.Wet heat.

>    Feel hot, thirsty, concerntrated urine,  yellow fur on tongue, quick 

>heartbeat, oily face....



>3.Fire.

>   Redden face and eyes, thirsty, fidget, constipation, strong 

>heartbeat....



>4.Toxic heat.

>   Itch on face after meal, quick heartbeat, constipation, thirsty....



>5.Day heat.



>All heats will cause skin problems such as adult acne, eczema on the head, 

>pimples, blackhead, Acne Rosacea.



>Some herbs can sink heat from head and abate it to normal such as:

>Chrysanthemi Flos,Rhei Rhizoma,Menthae Folium,Coptidis Rhizoma,

>Scutellariae Radix,Phellodendri Wilsonii...

>are all effective to acne, blackhead and other skin problems.



>80% acne, blackhead and rosacea are oily skin on face, we usually use 

>herbs to 

>get rid of windy heat and wet heat first.



>Dry skin with acne is something different to treat with.



>Acupuncture Point Massage can also reduce and ease your skin problems.

>I will teach you more knowledge about massage and herbs later at:

>http://www.ttn.com.tw/~backman/



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Subject: Re: Most skin problems are symptoms of inner heat.

From: Moonsinger <jmcgeat@siue.edu>

Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:48:26 -0600

--------

"traditional" typically means before modern medicine.. so they didn't know

what hormones were.. they called it heat.. cure work just as well no

matter what the name of the illness.



moonsinger



On Sun, 2 Feb 1997 nicki@atcon.com wrote:



> 

> Last time I checked, hormonal imbalances cause acne.

> 

> Nick

> 

> 

> 

> backman@mail.ttn.com.tw wrote:

> 

> >In Chinese traditional medicine, the herbalists sort inner heat to several 

> >types:

> >1.Windy heat.

> >    Halitosis and dry, daze, snuffle, headache, stick neck....

> 

> >2.Wet heat.

> >    Feel hot, thirsty, concerntrated urine,  yellow fur on tongue, quick 

> >heartbeat, oily face....

> 

> >3.Fire.

> >   Redden face and eyes, thirsty, fidget, constipation, strong 

> >heartbeat....

> 

> >4.Toxic heat.

> >   Itch on face after meal, quick heartbeat, constipation, thirsty....

> 

> >5.Day heat.

> 

> >All heats will cause skin problems such as adult acne, eczema on the head, 

> >pimples, blackhead, Acne Rosacea.

> 

> >Some herbs can sink heat from head and abate it to normal such as:

> >Chrysanthemi Flos,Rhei Rhizoma,Menthae Folium,Coptidis Rhizoma,

> >Scutellariae Radix,Phellodendri Wilsonii...

> >are all effective to acne, blackhead and other skin problems.

> 

> >80% acne, blackhead and rosacea are oily skin on face, we usually use 

> >herbs to 

> >get rid of windy heat and wet heat first.

> 

> >Dry skin with acne is something different to treat with.

> 

> >Acupuncture Point Massage can also reduce and ease your skin problems.

> >I will teach you more knowledge about massage and herbs later at:

> >http://www.ttn.com.tw/~backman/

> 

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> 

> 

> 

> 



	FIRE AND ICE



Some say the world will end in fire;

Some say in ice.

From what I've tasted of desire

I hold with those who favor fire.

But if it had to perish twice,

I think I know enough of hate

To know that for destruction ice

Is also great

And would suffice.



		Robert Frost







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Subject: Herb for U.T.I. ?

From: nezper <nezper@intercall.com>

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 03:26:32 -0500

--------

As a result of a spinal cord injury that left me paralyzed from the

chest down I get Urinary tract infections constantly. I have been on

numerous anti-biotics for almost two years. A friend suggested herbal

medicine. Is there a type of herb that can help me with this? Thanks for

any reply. Please email me.





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Subject: Re: NOW an ESSIAC formula in CAPSULE FORM!!!!!!

From: abg21@dial.pipex.com (Nick Hunter)

Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 17:29:28 +0000

--------

Joseph P. Pulcini, M.D. <jojo@elpnet.com> wrote:



> CaissePlus wrote:

> > 

> > HERBAL CURE FOR CANCER and OTHER DEGENERATIVE DISEASES?

> 

> UTTER AND COMPLETE BULLSHIT. Cancer is caused by genetic mutations in

> aberrant clonal cell lines, and can *not* be cured by an herb.  God

> knows I wish it could be!  You are a Whore and a charlatan, selling

> snake oil.



It is an indication of declining professional standards when an M.D.

uses defamatory, hysterial emotional invective like this.



The former physician to President John F Kennedy, Dr Charles Brusch

testified that he had cured himself of colon cancer using only the

Essiac formula (see: Boik J, 1995 Cancer and Natural Medicine, ISBN

0-9648280-0-6, p 160).



Faced with deciding which doctor to believe - the hysterial Pulcini or

the highly regarded Dr Charles Brusch, I know which one I would choose

to listen to.



Essiac includes burdock rooot, indian rhubarb, sheep's sorel and

slippery elm bark. These herbs include the potentially active compounds

rhein, emodin, high MW polysaccharides and possibly arctigenin.



Rhein is an anthraquinone with antibacterial, antitumor and anti-

inflammatory properties (reviewed by Anton & Haag-Berrurier, 1980, also

Friedmann, 1980). It inhibits protein synthesis in neoplastic cells by

decreasing the rates of cellular respiration and glycolysis. Susceptible

tumors include sarcoma 180 and AS-30D hepatoma. It also has an antitumor

effect in vivo. The biochemistry is complex (see: Boik, p 117-120)



Emodin is an anthraquinone found in a number of purgative herbs. It has

vasorelaxive, immunosuppressive, immunostimulant, antibacterial,

antitumor and anti-inflammatory, antiulcer and hypolipidemic properties

(Huang et al 1991, 1992, Goel et al 1991, reviewed by Anton &

Haag-Berrurier, 1980, also Friedmann, 1980). 



Herbs containing Emodin have been used in various aspects of cancer

treatment in China - for example a study of 67 patients with leukopenia

who received radiotherapy were given Polygonum cuspidatum (hu chang) or

its anthraquinones. Both significantly increased leukocyte counts often

by more than 1,000/mm3 (see Chang & But, 1987: 783 for review) Emodin

has cytotoxic and antitumor properties. Like Rhein, Emodin is retained

in kidney tissue.



I interpret Pulcini's hysteria as clearcut libel, and would venture to

suggest that CaissePlus has good grounds for an expensive legal

settlement. 

    





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: klr@shirenet.com (Karen)

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 17:32:42 GMT

--------

On 31 Jan 1997 16:47:42 GMT, loki@inlink.com (loki) wrote:



(snip)

> 

>Now, my personal, all time favorite method of dealing with sinus problems that 

>are making me feel really sick is this.  I go to my nearest good Chinese 

>restaurant.  I order green tea, hot and sour soup and a really hot, spicy main 

>dish that also has a lot of garlic in it.  I have a nice, leisurely dinner 

>then I go home to bed.  Don't take the ephedra just before you do this.  Take 

>that in the morning (remember it will feel a bit speed like) and then have 

>this nice dinner at night.  Works well for me.

>

>Loki

> 

>

Amazing! This is my favorite remedy also. I thought it was unique.

Certainly does work wonders. There is one restaurant near me that

serves a MASSIVE bowl of soup very much like hot and sour except

chunkier and with noodles. Just the thing and an entire meal. At home

I sometimes add some fresh ginger slices to my pot of green tea. As

Hippocrates said "Let your food be your medicine".





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: daltons@sonic.net (Glenn Dalton)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 11:10:20 GMT

--------

On Sat, 01 Feb 1997 17:32:42 GMT, klr@shirenet.com (Karen) wrote:



>On 31 Jan 1997 16:47:42 GMT, loki@inlink.com (loki) wrote:

>

>(snip)

>> 

>>Now, my personal, all time favorite method of dealing with sinus problems that 

>>are making me feel really sick is this.  I go to my nearest good Chinese 

>>restaurant.  I order green tea, hot and sour soup and a really hot, spicy main 

>>dish that also has a lot of garlic in it.  I have a nice, leisurely dinner 

>>then I go home to bed.  Don't take the ephedra just before you do this.  Take 

>>that in the morning (remember it will feel a bit speed like) and then have 

>>this nice dinner at night.  Works well for me.

>>

>>Loki

>> 

>>

>Amazing! This is my favorite remedy also. I thought it was unique.

>Certainly does work wonders. There is one restaurant near me that

>serves a MASSIVE bowl of soup very much like hot and sour except

>chunkier and with noodles. Just the thing and an entire meal. At home

>I sometimes add some fresh ginger slices to my pot of green tea. As

>Hippocrates said "Let your food be your medicine".





Also if your not in the mood for food (and you wont be after I mention

this), you can do a nasal wash - its fast VERY effective, and dosent

medicate you at all!  You can also add herb decoctions if you like.

maybe ephedra or something.  You can e-mail me if you want details.



Im gonna go look up chinese restraunts now.  :)



Glenn



daltons@sonic.net





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 13 Feb 1997 16:34:01 -0700

--------

pjc711@hotmail.com wrote:



>Can anyone recommend any good herbs for Sinus Problems, with symptoms being

>congestion and headache.  Haven't been able to breath for weeks.. 

>Thanks in advance..



>Patti

>patti_cavazza@vnet.ibm.com



stinging nettle will help stop mucous   2 capsules 







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Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: Rita Melnick <melnick@stsci.edu>

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 22:56:17 -0500

--------

Wigwam Outlet Stores wrote:

> 

> pjc711@hotmail.com wrote:

> 

> >Can anyone recommend any good herbs for Sinus Problems, with symptoms being

> >congestion and headache.  Haven't been able to breath for weeks..

> >Thanks in advance..

> 

> >Patti

> >patti_cavazza@vnet.ibm.com

> 

> stinging nettle will help stop mucous   2 capsules



I've found eyebright capsules work well as a decongestant for me.

Took 2 380mg capsules and it took effect in about 30 minutes;

lasted for about 4-6 hours.  Not as long as prescription decongestants,

but at least without the side effects.





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 19 Feb 1997 08:50:15 GMT

--------

Rita Melnick <melnick@stsci.edu> wrote:

>Wigwam Outlet Stores wrote:

>> 

>> pjc711@hotmail.com wrote:

>> 

>> >Can anyone recommend any good herbs for Sinus Problems, with symptoms being

>> >congestion and headache.  Haven't been able to breath for weeks..

>> >Thanks in advance..

>> 

>> >Patti

>> >patti_cavazza@vnet.ibm.com

>> 

>> stinging nettle will help stop mucous   2 capsules

>

>I've found eyebright capsules work well as a decongestant for me.

>Took 2 380mg capsules and it took effect in about 30 minutes;

>lasted for about 4-6 hours.  Not as long as prescription decongestants,

>but at least without the side effects.



Since subscribing to alt.sinusitis I've learned a lot.  One thing is that 

uncomfortable as you may be, it may not always be in your best interest 

to use a decongestant.  The goal in 'chronic sinus disease' is to get 

things moving.  Using a decongestant can often make mucus stay in your 

sinuses and can lead to infection.



Sinus and allergy problems are often experienced with similar symptoms.  

Stinging Nettle tea will help ease allergic responses in some people.  

Most of the mints [as tea] will often help...be sure to breathe in the 

steam from the tea, the warm, moist minty air can help break up 

congestion.



Deb

-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: astarte@iafrica.com

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 08:20:42 GMT

--------

I have heard that chewing on raw honey comb helps (just don't get stung) and 

also burning pure beeswax candles! Maybe worth a try - who knows.  I know these 

are not exactly herbal ideas but still.



Regards

Eloise





> 

> Since subscribing to alt.sinusitis I've learned a lot.  One thing is that 

> uncomfortable as you may be, it may not always be in your best interest 

> to use a decongestant.  The goal in 'chronic sinus disease' is to get 

> things moving.  Using a decongestant can often make mucus stay in your 

> sinuses and can lead to infection.

> 

> Sinus and allergy problems are often experienced with similar symptoms.  

> Stinging Nettle tea will help ease allergic responses in some people.  

> Most of the mints [as tea] will often help...be sure to breathe in the 

> steam from the tea, the warm, moist minty air can help break up 

> congestion.

> 

> Deb

> -- 

> Deb's Endeavors

> deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

> disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

> set of challenges.

> 

> 









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Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: "Neil & Bonnie Jacobsen" <cableplus@msn.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 10:18:29 -0800

--------

Product called "Bronchosan" contains ivy, eucalyptus and other good

things..works!!!!

-- 

Neil & Bonnie Jacobsen  cableplus@msn.com



astarte@iafrica.com wrote in article

<N.022097.102116.99@196-7-192-101.iafrica.com>...

> I have heard that chewing on raw honey comb helps (just don't get stung)

and 

> also burning pure beeswax candles! Maybe worth a try - who knows.  I know

these 

> are not exactly herbal ideas but still.

> 

> Regards

> Eloise

> 

> 

> > 

> > Since subscribing to alt.sinusitis I've learned a lot.  One thing is

that 

> > uncomfortable as you may be, it may not always be in your best interest



> > to use a decongestant.  The goal in 'chronic sinus disease' is to get 

> > things moving.  Using a decongestant can often make mucus stay in your 

> > sinuses and can lead to infection.

> > 

> > Sinus and allergy problems are often experienced with similar symptoms.

 

> > Stinging Nettle tea will help ease allergic responses in some people.  

> > Most of the mints [as tea] will often help...be sure to breathe in the 

> > steam from the tea, the warm, moist minty air can help break up 

> > congestion.

> > 

> > Deb

> > -- 

> > Deb's Endeavors

> > deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

> > disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

> > set of challenges.

> > 

> > 

> 

> 

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: anahita@aol.com (Anahita)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 02:36:41 GMT

--------

Since I didn't see the original post, I'm not sure what the original

problem was.  I did notice while visiting my folks who have 2 humidifiers

running in their house at night, my sinuses did not feel as uncomfortable

as they do at home.  I'm going to put a humidifier in my bedroom and see

if that makes a difference for my husband as well.  The extra humidity

didn't clear up my sinues, but made it much easier to empty them in the

morning.  Certainly more comfortable.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 20 Feb 1997 14:54:59 GMT

--------

I have had such success treating with horseradish, that it's the first

thing I turn to.

They sell fresh horseradish root at most groceries stores now (Winn-Dixie

comes to mind).  Grate about 1/4 cup at a time, cover it with vinegar in a

small canning jar, and add 1 crushed clove garlic.  The longer it sits the

better it gets, but you can start using it right away.  Take small sips of

the vinegar solution throughout the day during the time you have sinus

trouble.

Another way to use the root is to eat the grated horseradish, but some

people object to this-I love it.  It is very hot, makes the sinuses run

and the results are quicker than with the vinegar solution, but not

everyone can handle it.

I also buy the fresh beepollen by the pound from a local beekeeper. (Only

$8.00 a pound compared to a fortune for some dried out old capsules.) 

Make sure it is from hives in your area.  Take 1 teaspoonful per day and

keep it refrigerated.  You might need to chase it with a little water

because it tends to stick like peanut butter.  Take this every day of the

year to help build up immunity.



Avoid refined foods, and do not eat too many starches.

T.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: Liz Hanson <liz@zylanid.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 00:10:30 +0000

--------

In article <19970220145400.JAA13228@ladder02.news.aol.com>,

TRAITEUSSE <traiteusse@aol.com> writes

>I have had such success treating with 

>horseradish, that it's the first

>thing I turn to.

>

>Avoid refined foods, and do not eat too many 

>starches.

>T.

< snipped >

I have posted this here before, but it may be worth repeating.  I

suffered recurrent sinus congestion for some years before I

discovered that it was exacerbated by dairy foods.  Cutting out cows-

milk and cheese has solved the problem for me, and may do so for some

others, though I realise that allergies are very individual.



Best wishes

-- 

Liz Hanson





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: lisastag@aa.net (Lisa)

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 16:55:41 GMT

--------

Liz Hanson <liz@zylanid.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>< snipped >

>I have posted this here before, but it may be worth repeating.  I

>suffered recurrent sinus congestion for some years before I

>discovered that it was exacerbated by dairy foods.  Cutting out cows-

>milk and cheese has solved the problem for me, and may do so for some

>others, though I realise that allergies are very individual.



>Best wishes

>-- 

>Liz Hanson



I agree that dairy products increase the problem.

I've learned that my sinus problems are also connected to a higher

sesitivity to yeast, although I don't get a full blown yeast

infection. If I drink beer or wine I sometimes get a headache

(hangover) before I even feel the effects of the alcohol.... so now I

only drink Jagermiester ;-} .

Seriously though, I will use a very small amount of Tea Tree oil

on a Q-tip to get the essence into my ears. No deeper than normal

cleaning. Then I inhale the scent as much as I can. I usually do this

after a nasal douche with lightly salted water or after a hot salted

bath. I will feel relief & drainage within 5-10 minutes. I also use

Tea Tree oil toothpaste & mouthwash. Chewing an echinacea root will

also get things flowing, however if there isn't enough moisture in the

air or in your body (drink lots of water!) it may compound the

problem.

I do not know if this information is documented anywhere, so I don't

know if there are any contraindications with this treatment. 



Hope this helps.....



Lisa

--



Lisa







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion

From: Leigh R Hidell <lrh02@gnofn.org>

Date: 23 Feb 1997 16:51:04 GMT

--------



: I have posted this here before, but it may be worth repeating.  I

: suffered recurrent sinus congestion for some years before I

: discovered that it was exacerbated by dairy foods.  Cutting out cows-

: milk and cheese has solved the problem for me, and may do so for some

: others, though I realise that allergies are very individual.



I found that three yrs of a nonmeat diet did wonders

for my allergies/sinus, altho I did  eat dairy.  I have

a fast metabolism & got too weak & hungry if I gave up

both meat & dairy.  YMMV.   --Leigh







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: scented herbs ??

From: jogillis <jogillis@atcon.com>

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 14:07:06 -0400

--------

If anyone has any ideas on what herbs (or flowers) I could plant in my

garden that would give pleasent aromas when I'm there enjoying it. My

garden has flowers and vegetables. Thanks for any help, Catherine





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: scented herbs ??

From: liz@ervose.mv.com (Liz Vose)

Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 08:38:16 GMT

--------

In article <5d00fq$ks$1@thor.atcon.com>, jogillis@atcon.com wrote:



> If anyone has any ideas on what herbs (or flowers) I could plant in my

> garden that would give pleasent aromas when I'm there enjoying it. My

> garden has flowers and vegetables. Thanks for any help, Catherine



Anise Hyssop has a good odor and the bees love it.  Bee Balm also smells

fine and the bright flowers are cheerful to look at.    



Liz





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: looking for muscle relaxant

From: cheezease@aol.com (CheezEase)

Date: 1 Feb 1997 18:12:51 GMT

--------

Kava Kava is also a commonly used muscle relaxant.
-Rev. MeO





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: looking for muscle relaxant

From: Julie Ann Vosika <vosikaja@freenet.msp.mn.us>

Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 16:26:40 -0600

--------





On 1 Feb 1997, CheezEase wrote:



> Kava Kava is also a commonly used muscle relaxant.-Rev. MeO

> 

Valarien is commenly used as a muscle relaxent

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: looking for muscle relaxant

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:54:02 +0000

--------

In article <32f0eef6.176801905@news.zippo.com>, Ken Stuart

<kstuart@mail.telis.org> writes

>In an eloquent manner, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Do Nimh) elucidated:

>

>>kstuart@mail.telis.org (Ken Stuart) wrote:

>>

>>>Is there a herbal muscle relaxant?

>>

>>>(For internal use, not external.)

>>

>>Valerian has a mild relaxant effect ... makes most people

>>drowsy. 

>

>Drowsy is a mental effect, I'm looking for a physical effect, which is

>why I said "muscle relaxant".

>

>

>Thanks,

>

>Ken                       <*>

>kstuart@mail.telis.org



Valerian is a muscle relaxant, it makes you drowsy because your muscles

are so relaxed,

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





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To: kstuart@mail.telis.org

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: looking for muscle relaxant

From: "Jeanne (& Gary) Ross" <ross@together.net>

Date: 9 Feb 97 23:54:48 GMT

--------

Valerian has been shown to have an anti-spasmodic effect on skeletal 

muscle (what are you trying to relax?)



Calcium 1000mg + Magnesium 500mg taken together as an amino acid chelate 

is also a decent muscle relaxant.



Gary







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. John's Wort

From: pokeys@ix.netcom.com

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 10:59:20 -0800

--------

Is St. John's Wort more effective when taken in tea, liquid, or capsule

form?



Thanks,

Cherie





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To: pokeys@ix.netcom.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: caughlan@axionet.com

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 21:09:24 -0800

--------

pokeys@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> 

> Is St. John's Wort more effective when taken in tea, liquid, or capsule

> form?

> 

> Thanks,

> Cherie



***********************************************************

St. John's wort (Hypericum perforatum) should be taken in a standardized

dosage. A general recommendation is to use an extract that contains .3

percent hypericin (you can probably find it at a health food store). If

you are using the herb for depression or a nervous disorder, this method

is best. Taking it in tea form does not prove to be very helpful, but in

a tincture (liquid) it can be effective. If you are using it externally

for burns/wounds or muscle soreness, an oil extracted from the flower

buds is very useful.

Good luck!

Stacelynn





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: REQ: Recipe for Damiana Mead

From: dsprague@news.mhv.net ()

Date: 1 Feb 1997 19:43:44 GMT

--------

I had some of this wonderful honey/damiana concoction this summer,

and was wondering if anyone had a recipe.

-- 

davis                                 *EN



"Enough phrases and conceit and metaphores.

 I want burning, burning."          -Rumi





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: REQ: Recipe for Damiana Mead

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Do Nimh)

Date: 2 Feb 1997 04:51:01 -0700

--------

dsprague@news.mhv.net () wrote:



>I had some of this wonderful honey/damiana concoction this summer,

>and was wondering if anyone had a recipe.



There is an entire newsgroup dedicated to brewing, with various

web pages and FTP sites for the recipes.  I found it thru one of

the medieval link lists ... try Yahoo, and look for "mead"  to

get close.

Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | http://www.writepage.com

(the real place to e-mail)| Genre Fiction Publicity

spambait -- postmaster@127.0.0.1

                 abuse@127.0.0.1

               support@127.0.0.1









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Subject: Re: REQ: Recipe for Damiana Mead

From: coyote <coyote-1@swbell.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 17:08:27 -0600

--------

Another one!



I ferment mead.  The purists will tell you that once you put any extra

herbs in the must you are no longer making mead.  However, If you are

curious  you could start with about 1-2 oz/gal.



If you are interested in the "side" effects then you might be better

served by a liqueur. I produce a 1:25 "tincture" and add a bit of

heated honey to the finished infusion.  This beats the commercially

available product to a meaningless colored liquid with a lot of food

coloring and a faint hint of the damiana flavor.



E N J O Y ! ! !



Balance,



--------

Attachment



--------





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to remedy/control Atrial Fibrillation

From: MickM <delargey@netcom.ca>

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 14:45:07 -0500

--------

Is anyone aware of any herbal "remedy" for chronic atrial fibrillation

or any herb which might lessen the fatigue side effects of this

condition? I would appreciate any assistance in identifying a "herbal

miracle".



Thanks,

Mick.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to remedy/control Atrial Fibrillation

From: Jerry Smith <YourENlogin@en.com>

Date: 4 Feb 1997 18:25:53 GMT

--------

MickM <delargey@netcom.ca> wrote:

>

> Is anyone aware of any herbal "remedy" for chronic atrial fibrillation

> or any herb which might lessen the fatigue side effects of this

> condition? I would appreciate any assistance in identifying a "herbal

> miracle".

> 

> Thanks,

> Mick.



Mick; I have read that Hawthorn herb has been helpful in some cases. 

I assume that you are under the care of a competent physician? If the

Dr. is not a holistic practitioner then I would try to find one in 

your area and ask him/her about herbal/alternative treatment(s).

       In good health (through herbs) Jerry (jsmith@en.com) 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Sinus Congestion-Chinese food

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 1 Feb 1997 19:57:45 GMT

--------

Me too, except we get the won-ton soup.  The secret I believe (having

worked in a Chinese restaurant), is that most of them use the chicken

pieces after they have been de-boned to make the stock.  The one I worked

in left them simmering on the back of the stove all night and strained

them in the morning to make soup with.  We considered it an essential part

of treatment during sickness-even nausea.  Now, I would check with a

restaurant before I counted on it, to see if they were using chickens or

chicken concentrate bullion cubes or powder.  

**There is one wonderful Chinese remedy I use and it came highly praised

to me by an Indian woman who was born in Hong Kong-You can buy it here in

Oriental grocery stores-"Brand's Essence of Chicken."  It is a liquid

chicken concentrate put up in Singapore.  I think once again that it is

the chicken that makes the cure.

T. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anyone know where we can get talc we can scent ourselves?

From: mayhem@buffnet.net (Mothermay)

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 17:29:14 -0400

--------

In article <5cgbuj$sgv@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, lgp@primenet.com (Lew

Green) wrote:



> Hi, sorry if this is on the edge of "on topic" but we figured people

here would

> know and we've tried almost everywhere.  My girlfriend is into

> herbs/aromatherapy and hates the perfumy smell of scented baby powder.  Does

> anyone know where we can obtain pure talc which she can scent herself?

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Lew Green



Talc, while not easy to find around my area, is available in some sporting

supply stores, without scent, but a much more easily obtained source of

body powder is simple food grade corn starch, which can be found in any

grocery store.



I have successfully made a scented body powder by burying fresh, slightly

bruised aromatic herbs in a large jar of cornstarch. Just make sure to

give the jar a few gentle shakes every other day or so, to move all the

cornstarch evenly around the herbs.



-- 

"Improvement makes strait roads; but the crooked roads without Improvement are the roads of genius."  --Blake



Mothermay





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anyone know where we can get talc we can scent ourselves?

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca

Date: 6 Feb 1997 04:55:27 GMT

--------

In message <mayhem-0102971729140001@fppp68.buffnet.net> -

mayhem@buffnet.net (Mothermay)Sat, 01 Feb 1997 17:29:14

-0400 writes:

]Talc, while not easy to find around my area, is available in some sporting

]supply stores, without scent, but a much more easily obtained source of

]body powder is simple food grade corn starch, which can be found in any

]grocery store.

]

]I have successfully made a scented body powder by burying fresh, slightly

]bruised aromatic herbs in a large jar of cornstarch. Just make sure to

]give the jar a few gentle shakes every other day or so, to move all the

]cornstarch evenly around the herbs.

]

]-- 

]"Improvement makes strait roads; but the crooked roads without Improvement are the roads of genius."  --Blake

]

]Mothermay





are you saying that baby powder is just corn starch ?







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anyone know where we can get talc we can scent ourselves?

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 8 Feb 1997 09:34:04 GMT

--------

cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:

>In message <mayhem-0102971729140001@fppp68.buffnet.net> -

>mayhem@buffnet.net (Mothermay)Sat, 01 Feb 1997 17:29:14

>-0400 writes:

>]Talc, while not easy to find around my area, is available in some sporting

>]supply stores, without scent, but a much more easily obtained source of

>]body powder is simple food grade corn starch, which can be found in any

>]grocery store.

>]

>]I have successfully made a scented body powder by burying fresh, slightly

>]bruised aromatic herbs in a large jar of cornstarch. Just make sure to

>]give the jar a few gentle shakes every other day or so, to move all the

>]cornstarch evenly around the herbs.

>]

>]-- 

>]"Improvement makes strait roads; but the crooked roads without Improvement are the roads of genius."  --Blake

>]

>]Mothermay

>

>

>are you saying that baby powder is just corn starch ?

>



No, he is saying that corn starch works better and is easier to find.  



'Talc, Talcum: Magnesium Silicate, a naturally occurring mineral.  Used 

in baby powders, makeup powders, and foundation creams.  Lung irritant, 

toxic when inhaled.  Linked to ovarian cancer in women who used it on 

their genital area.  Corn starch or other powder is recommended as a 

substitute in these areas.' quoted from: Natural Body Care Products by 

Feather River Co.



Body powder made with mineral clay, arrowroot powder, & corn powder 

either scented or not is available from Mountain Rose Herbs 

<http://botanical.com/mtrose/>



Deb

-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wormwood, need advice

From: "Greger Gimseus" <toz@reincarnate.com>

Date: 1 Feb 1997 22:39:48 GMT

--------

> ARTEMISIA spp. are all generally called 'wormwoods' ...most are used in 

> aromatherapy preps, as they are toxic if taken in quantity.  MUGWORT 

> <A.vulgaris> is a wormwood used for lucid dreaming... A.absinthium is the



> active ingredient in absinthe liquor... a hallucinagenic drink which can

cause 

> permanent brain damage.... there are nearly 100 'wormwoods' worldwide.

> 

> Rob.



How do you use Mugwort for lucid dreaming? As a tea or what?

Absinth is also used in some teas, the one I have contains 30% absinth.

I also added some extra absinth for the flavour but it got to bitter to

drink.



	Greger G.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wormwood, need advice

From: sdrs@aol.com (SDRS)

Date: 15 Feb 1997 23:55:44 GMT

--------

 Greger G. wonders: 

>How do you use Mugwort for lucid dreaming? 

Chumash indians would make pillows of the fresh leaves.  Just add sleep.



Bob Lowe





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: stroke help

From: ravel@cycor.ca (Syd Baumel)

Date: 01 Feb 97 17:10:18 -600

--------

 SP> Hello Everyone,

 SP>  I have an aunt that is a 57 year woman who has recently had a stroke ,

 SP> a heart attack and still has a pernicious blood clot in her brain that

 SP> does not respond to Coumadin or Heparin treatment . Would any of you

 SP> know of a natural treatment or herb that would aid her ?? I appreciate

 SP> your reading this and your time.---Scott HP





Scott,



I posted a reply to a similar question on another NG yesterday.  That post

(copied below) may not be as relevant to your aunt's case, because her problem

is breaking up a clot, not preventing one.  But maybe some of these natural

substances can help.  Sorry, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to be any more

concrete than that, except to say that there is published research to suggest

that Ginkgo biloba can also protect infarcted brain tissue after a stroke.  If

you have the time, some medline searching could narrow down the possibilities.



Best of luck.





 j> Is anyone aware of any "natural" blood thinners that might be used as a

 j> substitute for the prescription drug coumadin?



 j> My father is currently in a Catch-22.  His artificial heart valve requires

 j> that his blood be thinned (now being done by the coumadin).  However, the

 j> coumadin has caused some internal bleeding that is now threatening his

 j> life.  If he comes off the coumadin to stop the bleeding, he runs the risk

 j> of stroke from the coagulated blood.  If he is kept on the coumadin to

 j> safeguard his heart, he may bleed to death from the hemorrhaging.  He is

 j> currently hospitalized and the situation is rather serious.  Assuming he

 j> makes it through this episode, I would like to see to it that he has some

 j> alternatives to coumadin.



 j> Please respond via e-mail as I am not a regular visitor to this newsgroup.



 j> Thanks in advance for any help.



 j> Josh Frankel

 j> jfrankel@ix.netcom.com



Josh,



There are LOTS of natural blood thinners -- it's as if nature compensates for

all the natural blood thickeners (well, saturated fat, at least).  I researched

this subject for an article about ten years ago; but even then, there already

was good evidence for the blood thinning effects (antiplatelet, fibrinolytic,

etc.) of garlic (and onions and leeks), vitamin C, fish oil, and vitamin E.

Research was also beginning to suggest that hot spices, in general, are blood

thinners, e.g. ginger and cloves.  I've since learned that Ginkgo biloba is an

antiplatelet blood thinner, like aspirin.  It may be no coincidence that people

traditionally cut their greasy foods (which often are high in blood-thickening,

clot-promoting saturated fats) with hot spices or accompany them with vitamin-

C-rich salads or fruit desserts.



Good luck to you and your father.



Syd





                                  Syd Baumel

  author of Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing Inc., 1995)







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Athlete's Foot

From: Diane Greene <greened@ucs.orst.edu>

Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 16:23:25 -0800

--------

I have used this for years with my family and friends, it seems always to 

work



soak your feet in very hot water (having just been boiled)

with

peppermint oil  5 drops (phenols)

Dr. B's peppermint soap (KOH)

1/2 cup sea salt

1/2 cup magnesium salt (MgCl)



just deal with the heat. get the feet in by touching to the surface and 

moving in and out till you can barely stand it

stir it all around in there with feet till the water is cold

do it again



Dry the feet very well



Make a powder with talc (for each 2 cups)

add

golden seal powder 1/8 c

peppermint oil 3 drops

wintergreen oil 3 drops

eucalyptus oil 3 drops



shake it very well



put some in your (clean) socks every day



Bleach your shoes or spray nasty lysol or hexol, put them in the sun for 

a long time. if they are tennis wash in hot machine

put the talc in your shoes when you wear them





Most importantly

dont wear shoes





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Athlete's Foot

From: diebschlag@aol.com

Date: 10 Feb 1997 18:22:48 GMT

--------

In article <5cmgfr$5a5@darla.visi.com>, lpew@sihope.com (Larry) writes:



>

>>>Urine.  Try applying early morning urine to the athlete's feet.  It is

>>>easy to do in a morning showering routine.  A friend of mine did this

>>>and had noticeable results.

>

>>>Urine therapy seems to in vogue in certain circles recently as well, so

>>>you will be not be an outcast, but rather an insider. 

>

>You know, I don't think I would _ever_ use this, but I want to know

>more about your urine theory here.....very interesting.   Please post

>more - do you have experience with this?

>



I do, though not with athlete's foot.  Urine is the best first aid for

insect stings, and also can calm skin inflammations like acute flares of

eczema.



I've treated a case of athlete's foot similar to yours, i.e. wouldn't

respond to anything.  What did the trick in the end was simply never

wearing closed shoes -- only sandals with cotton socks.  (This chap also

had fungal infection of the toenails, which we treated with tincture of

myrrh -- worked a treat).

Good luck,

Francesca









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Athlete's Foot

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 13 Feb 1997 16:35:02 -0700

--------

grabec@aol.com wrote:



> Any help for a severe case of Athlete's Foot, reoccuring over the years

>and nothing has really proven effective over the long haul. Even soaked

>feet in Clorox, Vinegar and Tea. Any more suggestions? This is not a mild

>case. Thanks

apply

ti tee oil several times a day mixed with black walnut.  Also, black

walnut capsules may be taken.    keep immune system in good shape too







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Newsgroups: alt.yoga,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chakra anointing oils

From: m8636@abc.se (Staffan Nielsen)

Date: 2 Feb 1997 01:08:32 GMT

--------

I have never before come across this notion of anointing chakras. What is

the purpose? So, while I am obviously at a loss concerning what oils may

be useful for that, I still have a suggestion: Why not simply ask the 

person that told you to anoint the chakras in the first place? Surely this

person also knows what oils to use. And perhaps even sells those oils.



S.



Marianne Stainback (mstainba@credit.erin.utoronto.ca) wrote:



: Greetings,

: 	I was wanting to mix up some oils specific to each chakra (with

: special emphasis on Chakra 3-Manipura, the solar plexus) to anoint or

: massage prior to meditation on the Chakra.  If anyone has any

: suggestions as to a good essential oil for each, or blend of oils, I would

: be interested to hear it.  I'd also like to hear any suggestions as to

: what would be the best carrier oil to use.  Mostly I just use sweet almond

: oil or Olive oil to mix with essential oils, but would like to hear if the

: other (more expensive) oils make a difference for this purpose.  Please

: share with me any comments you might have on this, or any personal

: experiences with chakra 3  meditation you might have.

: Thanks in advance, 

: Marianne







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Subject: Re: Chakra anointing oils

From: Carole <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 19:15:38 -0800

--------

Anointing the chakras is sometimes done in some Wiccan traditions and 

other pagan paths. It can be part of a healing or other type of ritual.





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Subject: Re: Chakra anointing oils

From: Klondike <nospam@emory.edu>

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 01:09:57 -0500

--------

Marianne Stainback wrote:

> 

> Greetings,

>         I was wanting to mix up some oils specific to each chakra (with

> special emphasis on Chakra 3-Manipura, the solar plexus) to anoint or

> massage prior to meditation on the Chakra.  If anyone has any

> suggestions as to a good essential oil for each, or blend of oils, I would

> be interested to hear it.  I'd also like to hear any suggestions as to

> what would be the best carrier oil to use.  Mostly I just use sweet almond

> oil or Olive oil to mix with essential oils, but would like to hear if the

> other (more expensive) oils make a difference for this purpose.  Please

> share with me any comments you might have on this, or any personal

> experiences with chakra 3  meditation you might have.

> Thanks in advance,

> Marianne



A lovely company in California, Mountain Rose Herbs, sells specific

chakra oils in jojoba oil. A recent catalogue lists their prices in the

$8 range.  (I don't know which essentials they use; perhaps they'd tell

you.) Their number is 800-879-3337.



Best, 

Klondike





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To: Klondike <nospam@emory.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.yoga,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chakra anointing oils

From: Anthony Eriksson <eriksson@vcn.bc.ca>

Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:02:44 -0800

--------

On Sun, 2 Feb 1997, Klondike wrote:



> Marianne Stainback wrote:

> > 

> > Greetings,

> >         I was wanting to mix up some oils specific to each chakra (with

> > special emphasis on Chakra 3-Manipura, the solar plexus) to anoint or

> 

Please note that the Manipura chakra is NOT at the solar plexus. Those

actually doing some meditation on it (as opposed to making money) will

soon discover this fact. It is aligned behind the belly button. Much

disinformation is being distributed today on spiritual subjects,

especially whilst the shekels are being counted! Please try not to add to

the confusion. The solar plexus is the main energy distribution center in

the astral body and feeds the nadis or pychic nervous system. Although

important, it is not a chakra. Since we are talking about the non physical

body here, any rubbing oil will do, according to your customer's

superstitions and gullibility. Hari Om.

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**  All is not as it seems in this world *  From: eriksson@vcn.bc.ca   **

**      This world is not as it seems!   * http://www.vcn.bc.ca/ims-hq **  

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Subject: Re: flax seed

From: smac@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()

Date: 2 Feb 1997 01:25:28 GMT

--------



I wonder if you can benefit from eating the whole seed? It's cheaper than

the oil.  You have to chew it well and drink extra water to wash it down.

No doubt, due to flax seed's slippery nature, some might not be absorbed,

but some might?





  Wendy McDermott (wmcderm@nova.umuc.edu) wrote:

: I hope this is the right group to post to:



: I have heard alot about Flax seed Oil helping with dry/itchy skin.

: Can someone please tell me if it has to be the pure oil or can

: i get just as good results with capsules?



: thanks









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Subject: Re: flax seed

From: Gordon Held <gheld@fix.net>

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 06:44:06 -0800

--------

smac@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:

> 

> I wonder if you can benefit from eating the whole seed? It's cheaper than

> the oil.  You have to chew it well and drink extra water to wash it down.



Dr. Andrew Weil recommends getting the essestial oils that most people

get from fish by grinding flax seeds in your coffee grinder and

spreading the compound on cereal or whatever, about one tablespoon per

day.  I grind about a cupfull at a time and have never smelled

"rancidity" in the compound.



Flaxseed oil, (linseed oil), is used by painters as an emuslifier

because it oxidizes so quickly.  Unfortunately it does the same on the

shelf or the refrigerator, and when rancid it does more bad than good.



Fish oil capsules contain EFA that come primarily from large fish that

are at the end of the food chain and, thesedays, are therefore highly

likely to contain toxins.



I have been doing the ground flaxseed bit for 4 months and find it works

just fine except for a little loose stool initially.



Gordon Held







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Subject: Re: flax seed

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 16:40:05 GMT

--------

In article <5d0qe8$12qi$1@news.sas.ab.ca>,

 <smac@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:

>

>I wonder if you can benefit from eating the whole seed? It's cheaper than

>the oil.  You have to chew it well and drink extra water to wash it down.

>No doubt, due to flax seed's slippery nature, some might not be absorbed,

>but some might?



Bad idea!  Flaxseed and the press cake from making cold-pressed

flaxseed oil are contaminated with linamarin, a cyanide-producing

chemical.  The oil pressed from the seeds, however, doesn't contain

cyanide (unless "foots" are included -- the brown slimy part that

separates on standing the raw oil).



Quoting from _Vegetable_Fats_and_Oils_ (2nd ed.) by

George S. Jamieson, American Chemical Society Monograph

Series Number 58, page 266:



"It should be observed that flax seed as well as the

flax cake contain a cyanogenetic glucoside known as

Linamarin.  The cake, however, from "hot pressing,"

is innocuous to cattle.  The heat apparently prevents

the action of an enzyme in the seed upon the glucoside

and stops the evolution of hydrocyanic acid from the cake

in the presence of moisture."









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Subject: Re: flax seed

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 17:52:00 GMT

--------

On Sun, 2 Feb 1997 16:40:05 GMT, eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>In article <5d0qe8$12qi$1@news.sas.ab.ca>,

> <smac@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> wrote:

>>

>Bad idea!  Flaxseed and the press cake from making cold-pressed

>flaxseed oil are contaminated with linamarin, a cyanide-producing

>chemical.  The oil pressed from the seeds, however, doesn't contain

>cyanide (unless "foots" are included -- the brown slimy part that

>separates on standing the raw oil).

(snip)



First, this is the first time I've heard that Linum usitatissimum seeds would

contain cyanide-producing chemicals. 

Of course that doesn't mean that ain't true... 

However, in my copy of the excellent toxic-plant book Wolfram Buff / Klaus von

der Dunk: Giftpflanzen in Natur und Garten, flax seed and flax seed oil are only

mentioned under 'plants which might possibly induce an allergic contact

dermatitis'.



Next, if you are going to avoid things containing cyanogene glycosides, start

with bitter almonds, and go right on, thru the seeds of most of the Rosaceae (if

not all of them); including appleseeds (which a lot of folks swallow whole, and

some even chew before eating), plum seeds, peach seeds...



Toxicity lies in the dosage.



Take care,

Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: flax seed

From: "Paul Maser" <paulmaser@msn.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 09:12:09 -0800

--------

An article I read a few years ago mentioned how Roman soldiers chewed

flaxseed to ensure regularity. 

Paul



smac@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote in article

<5d0qe8$12qi$1@news.sas.ab.ca>...

> 

> I wonder if you can benefit from eating the whole seed? It's cheaper than

> the oil.  You have to chew it well and drink extra water to wash it down.

> No doubt, due to flax seed's slippery nature, some might not be absorbed,

> but some might?

> 







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Subject: Re: flax seed

From: covent@innet.be (Jean-Pierre Covent)

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 23:09:15 GMT

--------

smac@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:





>I wonder if you can benefit from eating the whole seed? It's cheaper than

>the oil.  You have to chew it well and drink extra water to wash it down.

>No doubt, due to flax seed's slippery nature, some might not be absorbed,

>but some might?



I suppose when you eat the whole seed, even without chewing, the oil

from the seed is absorbed.



JP.

+------------------------------------------------------------+

| Covent JP.       Belgium        Internet: covent@innet.be  |

+------------------------------------------------------------+





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To: covent@innet.be

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: flax seed

From: Paul Anacker <anacker@juno.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 02:19:22 -0800

--------

Jean-Pierre Covent wrote:

> 

> smac@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca () wrote:

> 

> >I wonder if you can benefit from eating the whole seed? It's cheaper than

> >the oil.  You have to chew it well and drink extra water to wash it down.

> >No doubt, due to flax seed's slippery nature, some might not be absorbed,

> >but some might?

> 

> I suppose when you eat the whole seed, even without chewing, the oil

> from the seed is absorbed.



No, unfortunately the seed casing prevents that.  The best alternative

is

to grind the seeds in a coffee grinder and add it to a drink.  I put

mine

in an iso-caloric meal replacement drink.  A better tip is to use Hemp

Seed because it has a better Omega-6 to Omega-3 ration and includes some

GLA.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: flax seed

From: Betty <qberry@mis.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:54:10 -0500

--------

Once upon a time when I was a child mother always kept a box of flax

seed.

When one of her 8 children caught something in their eye,  she would

drop one under the lid. The seed moves toward the tear duct taking  the

something with it--worked like magic.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: question concerning gingko, ginseng, and gotu-kola

From: No_Junk_Mail!@spammers.should.die (Who What Where?)

Date: 2 Feb 1997 03:06:38 GMT

--------

Hello All!



I just bought myself some gingko-biloba tablets and some ginseng tablets;

I planned to get some gotu-kola tablets too, but the store I was at didn't

sell them, so I bought some dried herb instead.  I intend to take these 3

herbs to increase memory and mental acuity.  Here are my questions:



When is the best time of the day to take these three herbs?  Morning?

Evening?  Midday?  Should I take them all at once or split the dose to two

or three times a day?



Also, should these herbs be taken with food or on an empty stomach?  I

know that vitamins and minerals should be taken with food for maximum

absorbtion, but I don't know if this is the case with herbs too.



Finally, until I can find some gotu-kola capsules, is it safe to take the

ginseng and gingko-biloba capsules with an infusion of dried gotu-kola? 

Or is this not recommended?



If anyone has the answer to any or all of these questions, or has any

advice concerning the use of these or other herbs for mental acuity, I

would appreciate your help.  Please reply to this newsgroup and/or to

rjk5@cornell.edu



Thanks!



Rebecca

rjk5@cornell.edu





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dong Quai while nursing

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 2 Feb 1997 04:33:16 GMT

--------

Dong Quai is is warm in nature and a supplement to Blood.  It is a whole

body supplement, particular impact on the Liver.



Your daughter wants to take Dong Quai must have a reason, if the reason is

sufficient then it is OK.  If she do not have a sufficient reason and don't

know much about her physical condition.  Go consult a TCM practitioner

first.



Basically, you can check briefly on following:-

Pale face (not the color but the brightness)

Pale lip (extraordinarily pale color

Press your fingers and look at the fingernail. If the redness is very pale.

If you lost a lot of blood due to whatever reason.



Meeting most of the above conditions, means that you might be deficient in

blood and you might have a condition needing Dong Quai.  But it doesn't

mean that you can take a lot and take it without other supplementary herbs

in prescription.  As mentioned Dong Quay is warm in nature, if you are hot

and deficient in Blood, you need to take some cool blood supplement like

Pak Cheuk (root of herbaceous peony) at the same time.  However, the

composition of formula and matching of herbs is another question.



Hope this can help.

Best Regards

Y.K. Law at Jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com



 

leschke@islandnet.com.nospam wrote in article

<5ck8q7$b75$1@sanjuan.islandnet.com>...

> My daughter wants to take dong quai but is wondering whether it's safe

> to take while still nursing her daughter.  Anybody know if it's ok.

> 

> Please use this address for replies.

> leschke@islandnet.com

> 

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Anyone Know Companies that buy herbs?

From: cabin2@ix.netcom.com(Melissa L. Norman)

Date: 2 Feb 1997 06:18:27 GMT

--------



In the Spring  and Summer, I have an abundance of the herb Angelica.



Does anyone know of companies that buy from individuals?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anyone Know Companies that buy herbs?

From: vwinter@aol.com (VWinter)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 08:03:52 GMT

--------

I remember reading articles in Mother Earth News-I think it was-about

gathering wild herbs for money....and there was list at the end of the

articles about buyers...perhaps you can call them on the phone....they

might be able to help you...:)...also, the Foxfire books-based in Georgia

might be able to help...

Susie





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Subject: Re: Effects of Rue and Tansy

From: cmay@chelsea.ios.com (Camellia May)

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 07:34:31 GMT

--------

I'm a homebirth midwife and I use some herbs in my practice.  I've had

a history of erratic menstral cycles and on day 36 of my cycle I felt

very premenstral and just wanted my period to begin.  So I took 6

drops each of rue and tansy in a glass of warm water.  Nothing

happened, no cramps, nothing.  The next day I had a positive pregnancy

test. I'm writing to see if anyone knows if that small of a dose was

enough to case any sort of terotogen-like effect, or does rue and

tansy even cause birth defects?  I've read it's not to be taken

intentionally by pregnant women but does it cause any effect on the

fetus? I've known women who intentionally tried to abort with

pennyroyal tea, blue and black cohashes and a myriad of other herbs,

enough to cause cramping and illness but when they didn't abort the

baby was born just fine.  Can anyone share any information about this

with me?  Please email me I'm new to the newsgroup thing.  Thanks.

Camellia







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Subject: Re: Edema

From: "Cj. Aberte" <caberte@spacey.net>

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 03:49:25 -0500

--------

labels wrote:

> 

> Hello,

> 

>         Does anyone have an effective "recipe" for the treatment of

> edema?  Drinking 3 quarts to a gallon of water each day seems not to

> be helping.

> 

>         Thank you in advance.

> 

> sarah



My husband has terrible trouble with edema (water retention, swelling)

in the legs and has just about eliminated it compeltely with capsules of

Red pepper and garlic.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: lemongrass

From: "Cj. Aberte" <caberte@spacey.net>

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 03:51:48 -0500

--------

Does anyone have a source for lemongrass, seed or starts? 



				Cj.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lemongrass

From: Klondike <nospam@emory.edu>

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 20:47:43 -0500

--------

Cj. Aberte wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have a source for lemongrass, seed or starts?

> 

>                                 Cj.

Yes, Shepherd's Seeds has plants for sale: http://www.shepherdseeds.com

-- 

Klondike

return e-mail to cmonson@emory.edu





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Subject: Re: lemongrass

From: mpritche@leo.vsla.edu (Marge Pritchett)

Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:35:13 GMT

--------

Try your local Asian mkt. - If you want to grow it in the

spring, just stick a stalk of it in water or moist potting soil

and it will root within a few weeks. It's a tender plant in VA

so must be brought in. Dried and ground up makes a great hot or

cold tea.

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Subject: Re: lemongrass

From: klr@shirenet.com (Karen)

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:08:35 GMT

--------

Many herb nurseries carry young lemon grass plants, and if planted out

in the spring after the soil is warm they will grow into quite large

plants by fall in VA. Our summers at least are tropical! I usually dig

the entire plant before frost, cut off the leafy tops and dry for tea.

The lower stalks can be trimmed to the size you want and frozen for

recipes. I haven't found it worth overwintering unless you have a

greenhouse.



Karen   klr@shirenet.com





On Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:35:13 GMT, mpritche@leo.vsla.edu (Marge

Pritchett) wrote:



>Try your local Asian mkt. - If you want to grow it in the

>spring, just stick a stalk of it in water or moist potting soil

>and it will root within a few weeks. It's a tender plant in VA

>so must be brought in. Dried and ground up makes a great hot or

>cold tea.

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Subject: Re: lemongrass

From: krisgock@voicenet.com (Kris Gock)

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 03:10:20 GMT

--------

ixjip@aol.com (Ixjip) wrote:



>Does anyone know the medicinal benefits of lemongrass?

      

It makes a very nice tea which is good for diarrhea, stomachache,

headache, fever and flu.  It's antiseptic and the essential oil is

good for athlete's foot and acne.  Hope this helps.  Take care,

Kris







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: nehring@ice.net (curtis nehring bliss)

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 97 08:54:17 GMT

--------

In article <5cqkoa$5d5@artemis.it.luc.edu>, jpando@orion.it.luc.edu (Jenny Pando) wrote:

>SchatziC (schatzic@aol.com) wrote:

>: Can anyone tell me about using stevia as a sweetener for tea, cereals,

>: etc.?

>

>: Are there different forms, like leaves or extracts or capsules?



Usually Stevia is available as a cut & sifted leaf or a pulverised powder.

Either one will work great for both cereals & teas. I prefer the leaf in teas 

and the powder in cereal. We also cook with the powder in much of our food. 

The taste might take a little getting use to at first. Enjoy.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: "Carol Peterson" <herbmaster@msn.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 17:24:43 -0800

--------

Stevia can be grown in a pot or outdoors. It's hardy to zone 7. I put mine

in a pot and bring it in in the winter.  It's a perennial and somewhat hard

to locate.  You can dry the leaves or use it fresh. One leaf has the

sweetness of about 1/2 cup sugar with no toxicity and no after-taste.  This

herb is from Paraguay and has been used almost exclusively as a sweetener

in Japan and Europe for centuries.  I took cuttings from my "mother" plant

but they didn't take.  I'm going to try again.



SchatziC <schatzic@aol.com> wrote in article

<19970128065700.BAA18450@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> Can anyone tell me about using stevia as a sweetener for tea, cereals,

> etc.?

> 

> Are there different forms, like leaves or extracts or capsules?

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Toxicity of Devil's Claw?

From: PB <cadfael@netaccess.on.ca>

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 10:15:35 -0500

--------

A friend of mine (40 year old male) has been taking devil's claw,

suggested by a pharmacist, since July 96. He used it for gout. It helped

qyite a bit, but I have been told this remedy should only be taken for

7-10 days at a time, due to toxic side-effects. 

	My friend took devil's claw fairly constantly for six months. In

December he developed a cardiac arrhythmia called atrial fibrillation

and was admitted to the coronary care unit. He is fine now, but is on

blood thinners and is being monitored by a cardiologist. There was no

evidence of a heart attack or any predisposing risk factors for this

arrhythmia.

	I cannot find any information on the toxic properties {especially

cardiac side-effects) of devil's claw. Can someone help? There may not

be any connection in this case, but both of us would like to hear any

information or experiences you have on this subject.

				Thank you       Cadfael





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help for people with chronic shyness?

From: william@cyberramp.net (william ragsdale)

Date: 2 Feb 1997 21:34:20 GMT

--------

Hi, are there any herbs/amino acids/natural substances that help people who 

have a really bad case of shyness?  I had heard something about vassopressin 

and GH3, both brain chemicals, as helping.  Anyone know?



Thanks!







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To: william ragsdale <william@cyberramp.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for people with chronic shyness?

From: Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu>

Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 21:09:19 -0500

--------

	Both damiana and kava are supposed to help overcome social

inhibitions, so one of the two might be beneficial.







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Subject: Re: Help for people with chronic shyness?

From: Leigh R Hidell <lrh02@gnofn.org>

Date: 3 Feb 1997 20:15:46 GMT

--------

Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu> wrote:

: 	Both damiana and kava are supposed to help overcome social

: inhibitions, so one of the two might be beneficial.



This is not too natural, but I have always found alcohol to

be of benefit in certain situations...such as  being shy

about making "the first move" w/ someone I don't know well.



Vasopressin makes you more alert but I don't see why it would

help w/ shyness.  Also it's too expensive, IMHO.

                        

                                      --Leigh







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help for people with chronic shyness?

From: snapdragn@aol.com (Snapdragn)

Date: 11 Feb 1997 03:46:31 GMT

--------

Try Gaia herb tincture "Phyto-Proz".  Its a marvellous concoction of St

Jwort, Kava, Scullcap, etc.   Its effects are similar to Prozac (which has

been found to help chronic shyness) and you needn't take it every day.  I

buy the BIG bottle.

-Snap





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs and acne

From: nicki@atcon.com

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 22:35:53 GMT

--------

Can anyone recommend any herb(s) that supresses certain hormones; in

particular the androgen hormone which is said to be the root cause of

resistant acne?  Thanks in advance.



Nick







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To: nicki@atcon.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and acne

From: Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu>

Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 21:19:51 -0500

--------

	I don't know of any hormone-supresssing herbs to help with acne,

but it seems that getting rid of an acne problem is not a very good reason

to try to tamper with hormone levels.  It can always be a bit risky do to

the possibility of creating an imbalance.  Left to do its own thing, the

body is usually good at producing just the right delicate balance of

hormones.  An acne problem is often the result of an overproduction of

oils in the skin.  You should probably try to find herbs that will help

reduce this overproduction.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and acne

From: Diane Greene <greened@ucs.orst.edu>

Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 22:26:30 -0800

--------

one gallon of pure water each day till the skin is clear





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and acne

From: justceri@aol.com (Just ceri)

Date: 4 Feb 1997 12:33:26 GMT

--------

Diane wrote:

>>one gallon of pure water each day till the skin is clear



I've tried that (and still drink almost that much) and it didn't work for

me.

peace

ceri

-----------

Those who find ugly meanings in beautiful things are corrupt without being charming.

~Oscar Wilds











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and acne

From: Diane Greene <greened@ucs.orst.edu>

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:44:53 -0800

--------





On 4 Feb 1997, Just ceri wrote:



> Diane wrote:

> >>one gallon of pure water each day till the skin is clear

> 

> I've tried that (and still drink almost that much) and it didn't work for

> me.

> peace



I suppose i assumed you stopped eating candy, fried food and the like

You mean to say your diet is clear, you drink a gallon of water a day and 

you still have acne

i am wrong then





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and acne

From: justceri@aol.com (Just ceri)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 12:50:20 GMT

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Diane wrote:

>>I suppose i assumed you stopped eating candy, fried food and the like

You mean to say your diet is clear, you drink a gallon of water a day and 

you still have acne

i am wrong then



Ummm...yes...I'm vegan...no fried foods, no dairy, hate sweets, my diet is

excellent! No soda's...only water and juices...have had acne (not real

bad) since a teenager (am now 35), break outs get worse right before

menstruation, which leads me to believe it's a hormonal thing

ceri

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Obscenity is whatever gives a judge an erection

~Anonymous











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and acne

From: icehorse@aol.com (IceHorse)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 21:06:25 GMT

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February 16, 1997



Dear Nick, 



The herb Pau D'Arco is often hard to find but is known for its cleansing

and antiseptic properties when used internally.  I can vouch for

effectiveness of this herb.  I drank one cup of Pau D'Arco tea every other

day for several weeks and my acne (undiagnosed) reduced drastically and I

found my skin was no longer "hyper-sensitive".  I notice immediate results

in how I felt - as though I no longer had as many toxins in my system. 

The proportions for tea is one tablespoon per 4 cups of water.  Remember:

this is not a prescription, consult your health care practitioner before

using, as Pau D'Arco is a highly controversial and untested herb and the

side-effects (if any) are unknown as of yet.

Natural therapies usually take longer than AMA methods because they

stimulate the body and help to cleanse and detoxify.  

Have you tried vitamin therapy?  A good combination of anti-oxidant

vitamins like Beta Carotene, C and E can help to cleanse the body and

restore the natural balance of the system.  Be sure to use food-based and

organic vitamins like Shaklee for best absorption and results.

It has also been found that a lack of fatty acid oils like evening

primrose oil, EPA fish oils, etc can lead to acne.



Good luck and write with any results!

Aditi 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Feverfew help help

From: TRISH NOODLE <jarno@mail.stlnet.com>

Date: 3 Feb 1997 00:14:47 GMT

--------

I suffer from migraine headaches and I read on this newsgroup to take 

this fever few.  I just did and have had a bad reaction.  I took it andf 

 went to pick my son up.  The window of the car looked wavy and prism of 

colors were in my perephial vision.  I am afraid I might have a stroke . 

Is that possible.  I would rather have the headache  PPPPLease tell me if 

you have had any of these symptoms and are okay.  I am afraid







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew help help

From: Moonsinger <jmcgeat@siue.edu>

Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:58:34 -0600

--------

If you are having a bad reaction.. whether anyone else has or not.. STOP

taking the feverfew.. it might be something as simple as an allergic

reaction, but even those can be deadly.  If you stop taking it and the

symptoms persist, see a doctor immediately and tell him exactly what and

how much you took.



moonsinger





On 3 Feb 1997, TRISH NOODLE wrote:



> I suffer from migraine headaches and I read on this newsgroup to take 

> this fever few.  I just did and have had a bad reaction.  I took it andf 

>  went to pick my son up.  The window of the car looked wavy and prism of 

> colors were in my perephial vision.  I am afraid I might have a stroke . 

> Is that possible.  I would rather have the headache  PPPPLease tell me if 

> you have had any of these symptoms and are okay.  I am afraid

> 

> 

> 



	FIRE AND ICE



Some say the world will end in fire;

Some say in ice.

From what I've tasted of desire

I hold with those who favor fire.

But if it had to perish twice,

I think I know enough of hate

To know that for destruction ice

Is also great

And would suffice.



		Robert Frost







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew help help

From: amjm@warthog.ru.ac.za

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 97 05:49:33 GMT

--------



>On 3 Feb 1997, TRISH NOODLE wrote:

>

> I suffer from migraine headaches and I read on this newsgroup to take 

> this fever few.  I just did and have had a bad reaction.  I took it andf 

>  went to pick my son up.  The window of the car looked wavy and prism of 

> colors were in my perephial vision.  I am afraid I might have a stroke . 

> Is that possible.  I would rather have the headache  PPPPLease tell me if 

> you have had any of these symptoms and are okay.  I am afraid

> 



NEVER TAKE FEVERFEW ON YOUR OWN !!!!



It does help megrains but it is a bit poisonous and in fact if you are 

pregnant you culd lose your baby!



THAT IS WHY YOU MUST GO TO YOUR DOCTOR FOR A CONTROLED DOSSAGE !!!



lastly I wouldn't worry about a stroke, in history a lot of people have used 

fever few to combat fevers (hence its name) and they didn't suffer too much.



Ivan

 





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To: amjm@warthog.ru.ac.za

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew help help

From: Esta M Weiss <esta@U.Arizona.EDU>

Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 01:12:28 -0700

--------

snip...

> > this fever few.  I just did and have had a bad reaction.  I took it andf 

> >  went to pick my son up.  The window of the car looked wavy and prism of 

> > colors were in my perephial vision.  I am afraid I might have a stroke . 

> > 

> 

> NEVER TAKE FEVERFEW ON YOUR OWN !!!!

> 

what rot..! feverfew is no more or less dangerous..than any other

herb...it has possible unwanted effects..but the ones shes talking about

have little to do with feverfew...and more to do with the migrain

state..the effects notes are called a aura...



> It does help megrains but it is a bit poisonous and in fact if you are 

pregnat..snip..

	there are many herbs that are potencail abortifacts...but why are

you mentioning it here... scare tatics are at best ineffective..at worst.

insulting....

 > 

> THAT IS WHY YOU MUST GO TO YOUR DOCTOR FOR A CONTROLED DOSSAGE !!!



would you kindly tell me of any doctor that has any idea of what a

controlled dose for feverfew would look like..? they cant.. they have not

studied it...most dont even know what it is...other than its name If..your

lucky..telling this woman to go to doctor with this would just be wasteing

her time...

 > 

> lastly I wouldn't worry about a stroke, in history a lot of people have used 

> fever few to combat fevers (hence its name) and they didn't suffer too much.



	in this you are right...I spoke to this woman at great lenth about

her concerns...and her migranes among other things...but I resent this

scare tatic...sceaming "advice' and I use the word loosely ....

you very apparently know little about migrains or feverfew...other than a

few loose facts...which are of no vaule...to shout at a person who has a

legitmate concern...that your missive did not address..shout from the roof

tops only when you have something of real usefullness to offer..but scare

tatics and screaming at one...insult the intellagence of the reader..



> 

> Ivan

>  

> 

> 



May blessings fall on thee

like rain drops..:)







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew help help

From: amjm@warthog.ru.ac.za

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 97 17:07:25 GMT

--------

>snip...

>> > this fever few.  I just did and have had a bad reaction.  I took it andf 

>> >  went to pick my son up.  The window of the car looked wavy and prism of 

>> > colors were in my perephial vision.  I am afraid I might have a stroke . 

>> > 

>> 

>> NEVER TAKE FEVERFEW ON YOUR OWN !!!!

>> 

>what rot..! feverfew is no more or less dangerous..than any other

>herb...it has possible unwanted effects..but the ones shes talking about

>have little to do with feverfew...and more to do with the migrain

>state..the effects notes are called a aura...



Wouldn't you agree then if the megrain has developed so far that she is 

halucinating that it would be better to go and see a doctor instead of 

stuffing her mouth full of a 'potentially dangerous herb' that requires a 

certain dosage anyway. 

Though I must say I agree that herbs are better than a doctor's cure all 

antibiotics, but certain things are a bit too serious to just go and stuff the 

first best plant into your mouth.





>> It does help megrains but it is a bit poisonous and in fact if you are 

>pregnat..snip..

>	there are many herbs that are potencail abortifacts...but why are

>you mentioning it here... scare tatics are at best ineffective..at worst.

>insulting....



You call it a scare tactic, I call it experimenting with something she is not 

fully aware of.

Would you agree in saying that anything you take that can cause you to loose a 

baby is poisonous......

WAIT BEFORE YOU JUMP DOWN MY THROUGHT AGAIN-  Feverfew is a mellow herb, but 

do you think it is wise to use an old cottage remedy for something as serious 

as a megrain ?

 

>> THAT IS WHY YOU MUST GO TO YOUR DOCTOR FOR A CONTROLED DOSSAGE !!!

>

>would you kindly tell me of any doctor that has any idea of what a

>controlled dose for feverfew would look like..? they cant.. they have not

>studied it...most dont even know what it is...other than its name If..your

>lucky..telling this woman to go to doctor with this would just be wasteing

>her time...



Do you seriously think no doctor knows what a controlled dosage of feverfew 

looks like? not even a homeopath or a profetional Herbalist?



> > 

>> lastly I wouldn't worry about a stroke, in history a lot of people have 

used 

>> fever few to combat fevers (hence its name) and they didn't suffer too 

much.

>

>	in this you are right...I spoke to this woman at great lenth about

>her concerns...and her migranes among other things...but I resent this

>scare tatic...sceaming "advice' and I use the word loosely 

>snip...



Well, I am sure my advice would save her a lot of pain, if she goes to a 

doctor (not necessarily a GP, but a homeopath or a professional Herbalist) 

He/She could give her a (EDUCATTED ESTIMATE :)  )  dosage with a combination 

of other herbs to aid her in her Megrain.



Ivan







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew help help

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 17:16:45 GMT

--------

On Tue, 04 Feb 97 17:07:25 GMT, amjm@warthog.ru.ac.za wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



Just jumping in here:



>Feverfew is a mellow herb, but 

>do you think it is wise to use an old cottage remedy for something as serious 

>as a megrain ?



Yes, feverfew is THE herbal remedy for migraine. Read up on it in the medicinal

herbfaq.

 

>Do you seriously think no doctor knows what a controlled dosage of feverfew 

>looks like? not even a homeopath or a profetional Herbalist?



Doctors are not homeopaths, nor are they professional herbalists. Sure, any

professional herbalist will know feverfew; no, homeopaths will probably not know

it; and lastly, MD:s won't have a clue what you're talking about.



Take care,

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew help help

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 4 Feb 1997 18:50:04 GMT

--------

A homeopath would point out the symptoms of the overdose produced the

symptoms of the disease.  Like cures like. If the exact same symptoms were

produced like this (aura effect, etc.), a homeopathic dose or extremely

low dose might have cured her?  I find this case extremely interesting (as

well as frightening), because it shows the herb (if that was the cause of

the episode), worked on the exact system involved in the production of her

headaches to begin with.

It certainly is a wise idea to start with a very low dose of any herb the

first three days, you never know what you're allergic to until you try it.

 If you are using herbs as drugs and not as food be prepared to take the

same precautions you would for any prescription! 

 AND GET TO A HOSPITAL OR DOCTOR IMMEDIATELY IF THE REACTION IS SEVERE,

WHETHER OR NOT THEY KNOW HOW TO USE A HERB, THEY CERTAINLY KNOW HOW TO

SAVE YOUR LIFE FROM A MASSIVE ALLERGIC REACTION.

I am allergic to Echinacea, and it is so widely used that I'm sure my

herbalist friends are thinking I'm lying, they consider it so harmless.  I

once reacted to a substance so severely that an ambulance just got me

there in the nick of time. T.





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To: Pierre Brazeau <p007@cnwl.igs.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: making salves...a how to..

From: Esta M Weiss <esta@U.Arizona.EDU>

Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 19:12:53 -0700

--------

On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Pierre Brazeau wrote:



> Does anyone have a recipe to make salve from bee's wax.  

> Heather.

> 

>Dear Heather..

	Making a salve from just bees wax would be a little difficult

given its hardness..even after melted and allowed to cool..so Im presuming

you mean..the wax in a mix with other oils...

	as to how..this depends on what is the end objective..you can



my fave as its easy..!

	mix your herbs with natural vegtable oil..and place in oven safe

container..place container on a cookie sheet and place in the oven..on low

temp..around 150 to 200..for several hours..stirring and adding more herbs

as the others break down..once the herbs have lost almost all their

color..strain the oil thur cheese cloth..add whatever

fixtives/perservitves you intend to use at this point. I use gum of

benzone for all of mine..( the same stuff they coat gum with..)



 .place in small pan..and put on

stove top..again with very low heat..and add your bees wax a little at a

time..stir to melt the wax and test the mix after each addittion..by

placeing a drop of the mix on a small plate and put in the freezer for a

moment..check the frimness..and when it has reached the point of

consistancy you want..stop adding wax..allow the mix to cool..just to the

point of still being able to pour it.( if you waited too long just heat it

up again..) and bottle/can..the mixture..

	this method can be used for most any salve type you might care to

make and the consistancy is entirely up to you..for an oil..just leave the

wax out..( but dont forget the fixtive..or it will spoil..but ya dont need

much..perhaps a 1/8 of a teaspoon per cup of mixture..of gum..does the

job..I have some made that way that have kept over a year now..)

	a real yummy one.. almond oil..orange blooms.and bees wax..sooths

the skin..and smells absoultly wonderful..!

	hope this answers your question...if ya got questions feel free..



yours

Esta



May blessings fall on thee

like rain drops..:)







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hops ?

From: bob <onelith@bitwise.net>

Date: Sun, 02 Feb 1997 18:53:12 -0800

--------

Hi,

 Does anybody have any experience smoking or drinking tinctures of hops. 

Hops are botanicly related to marijuana. Are any of their effects 

similar? Any help on this subject would be helpful.

                                 onelith





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re; St. John's Wort Side Effects

From: lolack@aol.com (LolaCK)

Date: 3 Feb 1997 03:36:59 GMT

--------

I posted to the thread concerning SJW and its possible side effects a week

ago and was asked to explain myself.  Just wanted to let you know that the

warning was born of personal experience.  Having long been on anti

depressants, I used SJW as means of weaning myself off of them and began

having severe, migraine-like headaches almost immediately and a stiff

neck. I had unwittingly gone from taking conventional tri-cyclics to an

herb which acts like a MAO inhibitor.  SJW contains HYPERICIN which

inhibits depression by countering a substance called monoamine  oxidase. 

Any MAO inhibitor, in combination with certain foods, can raise blood

pressure to dangerous levels, especially when eaten in conjunction with

foods such as fava beans, smoked or pickled items, aged cheese,  beer and

red wine, coffee, chocolate, yogurt and meats such as salami.  (I seem to

recall a post in which one of you reported severe headaches after eating

pizza).  Though SJW is not as strong as prescription anti-depressants,

care should still be taken.  It intereacts badly with narcotics,

tryptophan and tyrosine (amino acids), nasal decongenstants, amphetines,

diet pills (watch that ephedra) cold and hay fever medications AND asthma

inhalants.  I think you all know about the possibility of photo

sensitivity. It's not an herb to be taken lightly. I should also add here

that my headaches were not withdrawal symptoms.  Fortunately I had a good

kinesiologist who recognized what was happening immediately.  It was

researching SJW that triggered my interest in herbs and their healing

properties.  I think this group is one of the best sources of information

around.  We refer to you regularly in the alt.support. skin

diseases/psoriasis newsgroup.



Lola





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Re; St. John's Wort Side Effects

From: allegra <allegra@sprintmail.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 08:21:51 -0800

--------

Just wanted to point out that although I agree with Lola (I too had the

mind blowing headaches while on STJ) recent studies have pointed out

that STJ acts more like an SSRI than an MAOI.  They are starting to

discount its MAOI properties saying it really doesn't have any at all. 

So even though I personally do believe that STJ acts as a mild MAOI, it

cannot be said that this is anything more than my opinion.  



Allegra





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Re; St. John's Wort Side Effects

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 17:45:58 GMT

--------

On 3 Feb 1997 03:36:59 GMT, lolack@aol.com (LolaCK) wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I posted to the thread concerning SJW and its possible side effects a week

>ago and was asked to explain myself.  Just wanted to let you know that the

>warning was born of personal experience.  Having long been on anti

>depressants, I used SJW as means of weaning myself off of them and began

>having severe, migraine-like headaches almost immediately and a stiff

>neck. I had unwittingly gone from taking conventional tri-cyclics to an

>herb which acts like a MAO inhibitor.  SJW contains HYPERICIN which

>inhibits depression by countering a substance called monoamine  oxidase. 

(snip)

>inhalants.  I think you all know about the possibility of photo

>sensitivity. It's not an herb to be taken lightly. I should also add here

>that my headaches were not withdrawal symptoms.  Fortunately I had a good

>kinesiologist who recognized what was happening immediately.  It was

>researching SJW that triggered my interest in herbs and their healing

>properties.  



Thing is, STJ should not give you headaches, nor any other MAOI side effects,

nor should it give you photosensitivity, if it is taken on its own. 

(The MAOI explanation to why hypericum works as an anti-depressant has been

refuted elsewhere in this thread so I'll let it rest).



If you mix it with allopathic drugs, you're on your own; it tends to work in

tandem with these to produce at least photosensitivity of the skin (in sensitive

individuals), and, from above, evidently also MAOI effects.



Also, never confuse the wort (St.John's wort, Hypericum sp.) with the

constituent (hypericin). Hypericin on its own might have side effects (think

photosensitivity) (again, think possibly MAOI as well).



Next, seems that nowadays the guys in lab coats can extract a very pure

hypericin from St.John's wort, and they checked how effective this very pure

stuff is; and found out it has no an anti-depressant effect at all. 



So take the herb, not the constituent. And if you experience side effects while

also on allopathic drugs, discontinue.



Now, folks - anyone else want to brag about Hypericum tincture strenght? Mine is

soooo strong I can't take it straight, and it'll stain anything deeep brown

(never made a tincture this strong before - the vintage of '96 will go down as a

very good crop).



>I think this group is one of the best sources of information

>around.  We refer to you regularly in the alt.support. skin

>diseases/psoriasis newsgroup.



Wow - thanks.



Take care,

Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Re; St. John's Wort Side Effects

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 5 Feb 1997 08:15:11 GMT

--------

HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress) wrote:

>Next, seems that nowadays the guys in lab coats can extract a very pure

>hypericin from St.John's wort, and they checked how effective this very pure

>stuff is; and found out it has no an anti-depressant effect at all. 

>

>So take the herb, not the constituent. And if you experience side effects while

>also on allopathic drugs, discontinue.

>

>Now, folks - anyone else want to brag about Hypericum tincture strenght? Mine is

>soooo strong I can't take it straight, and it'll stain anything deeep brown

>(never made a tincture this strong before - the vintage of '96 will go down as a

>very good crop).

>



Well, Henriette, my vintage '95 is still going strong.  I moved in '96 

and lost my plants, so I'm looking forward to '97.  I think this year I 

will double mascerate so I can keep picking the pretty flowers without 

ending up with gallons of tincture.  [even I'm never that depressed]  ;>



I discovered Cherry Brandy as a great solvent for hypericum.  It cuts the 

astringency somewhat so I don't walk around with my mouth puckered & my 

eyes popping out.  I normally make simples.  What are you mixing with 

your vintage '96?



I was talking to my favorite nutrional store owner today, and she was 

telling me all about the Hypericum they sell.  It is extract standardized 

to some specific % and then made into capsules.  I will be taking her 

some of my tincture, made from only the prettiest flowers, picked just 

after the dew has dried [hypericum picking is my standard form of summer 

meditation--I can really zen out with a few good plants]  ;>  I am sure 

she will become disapointed with her 'best brand'.





>Take care,

>Henriette

>

>--

>Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

>Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



For anyone who has not read the Medicinal herbFAQ I highly recommend it. 

The section on Hypericum is very informative and is addressed by some 

very experienced herbalists.  Thanks to Henriette for maintaining and 

regularly posting it.  [I saw it first on alt.answers, and so found this 

wonderful group]





Deb

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disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Re; St. John's Wort Side Effects

From: roxannmc@msn.com (Roxann McGlumphy)

Date: 10 Feb 97 06:50:00 -0800

--------

Also took SJW, to very good effect, *alongside* my 20 mgs/day Prozac, as

a way of combatting "Prozac poop-out".  I took it along with Gingko Biloba,

which helped with the muzzy-headedness that developed alongside the poop-out.

I did very well on this, was even able to cut back my Prozac dosage.  in 

the whole six-month time I followed this regimen, I only had one episode of 

serious high blood pressure.  



Then I stopped for three months, to see whether it was really the SJW or just 

the placebo effect that was making me feel better.  When I went back 

on the SJW

it was in combo with Passionflower, rather than Gingko, and 

immediately I began having 

trouble with migraine headaches and severe high blood pressure, to such a

degree that I HAD to quit.



So I am wondering why I had so much trouble the second time but not the first.

Was it due to the addition of Passionflower (also rumored to be an MAOI

analogue) or the absense of Ginkgo, which is listed as having 

anticoagulant effects

and to aid circulation?  Or did I just develop a sensitivity to the herb?



Also, I found out that my mother is tyramine reactive--she gets headaches and 

flushed face from red wine.  Tyramine is the enzyme which causes the MAOI 

high blood pressure reaction, which she gets without taking any MAOI.  So 

there is an apparent predisposition to this reaction that runs in my family 

anyway.  One more variable to throw in.



Anyone have any thoughts as to whether or not I may be able to go back to the 

SJW/Gingko combo?  Would rather not "experiment" any further, as the reaction 

was VERY bad the second time around, and the herbs are rather expensive.



Thanks,



Rox





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbologist courses

From: lolack@aol.com (LolaCK)

Date: 3 Feb 1997 03:49:32 GMT

--------

I would also be interested in hearing of any courses, seminars of

symposiums which might further my education about herbs and/or alternative

healing.  Thanks.



Lola





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Detoxification

From: "LARRY M. BOWLES" <elbee@micron.net>

Date: 3 Feb 1997 04:55:31 GMT

--------

I'm really interested in how this is done. What herbs are best and how

often?







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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb books cheap

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 05:07:29 GMT

--------



A Costco discount warehouse recently opened near my home.  This is

one of those buy-12-rolls-of-toilet-paper-at-a-time-but-get-a-real-

good-deal kind of places.  As I mentioned before, they have (had? -

did not look today)  the best price on Schiff DHEA I have seen, 200

25mg for $9.25.  There are usually no supplements in the health

section worth having, though, IMO.  But, the stock changes constantly,

so one never knows what will pop up.  All the warehouses generally get

the same items, from what I can tell.



They have a decent supply of books that are deeply discounted.  A few

I saw today were Michael Murray's Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine and

his Encyclopedia of Nutritional Supplements.  They were both about

$11.  Chevallier's Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants was also very

cheap, as was a field guide to medicinal plants (I picked up the last

copy of that one).  Now's the time to stock up on your reading

material if there is a Costco near you.



turf







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Subject: Re: Homemade Skincreams

From: vwinter@aol.com (VWinter)

Date: 3 Feb 1997 08:09:59 GMT

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another book that tells how to make scented lotions is "Oils, Lotions, &

Other Luxuries" by Kelly Reno...she wrote  "Soaps, Shampoos, and Other

Suds"

Susie





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Subject: UTI and Congestion

From: Ronnie <nezper@intercall.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 03:35:00 -0500

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First I'd like to thank those who replyed to my original message. The

advice I got for my UTI's was cranberry juice. I have tried cranberry

juice but that didn't work. Is there anything else I could try? Also is

there a herb that I could use for severe sinus congestion? I haven't

been able to taste or smell anything for months. In what amounts should

I use these herbs? Thanks.





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Subject: Re: UTI and Congestion

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 4 Feb 1997 01:11:23 GMT

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Ronnie wrote:

">First I'd like to thank those who replyed to my original message. The

advice I got for my UTI's was cranberry juice. I have tried cranberry

juice but that didn't work. Is there anything else I could try? Also is

there a herb that I could use for severe sinus congestion? I haven't

been able to taste or smell anything for months. In what amounts should

I use these herbs? Thanks>"



Remember, Cranberry won't do the trick in powdered form, and it doesn't

kill the bacteria.  It will only prevent the bacteria from getting a grip

on the mucuous membrane of the urinary tract.  An infection must be

cleared first before the cranberry juice can prevent another attack and it

must be taken regularly with no missed days, no cheating.  You can start

the cranberry even if the infection is present to protect the lining as it

clears.  Are you sure you took it regularly?

It sounds like your system is really clogged up.  Evidently your lymph

system is not able to handle it all.  Try "Cleavers" in the tincture form,

it is excellent for helping the lymph glands and has a low incidence of

side effects.You don't want to "dry up" your sinus problems, but help them

drain out the garbage. It is the best tonic for the lymph system I know

and is very good for urinary tract infections.  Don't give up on the

Cranberry juice!  

 Remember though, these remedies are not magic bullets, they work more

slowly than allopathic remedies and need to be given time to do their

thing.  Taking them is often useless without proper diet.  Be sure to

eliminate sugars and refined starches from your diet, and that is just the

first step.  T.





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Subject: Re: Cretagus Drops

From: ccjs@cse.bris.ac.uk (J. G. Simpson)

Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 15:40:57 GMT

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If you are referring to what is known as Hawthorn, then it's

listed as a treatment for hypertension - see Hoffman's Holistic

Herbal.



It's one of the herbs I've been using for HPB, was 184 over 115,

has dropped to (over a 6 mth period through intermediate values)

to 146 over 91 (and presumably still falling) without conventional

beta-blocker etc medication.



Brian Shuell (bshuell@voyager.net) wrote:

: Does anyone have any information about Cretagus? I'd like to know more

: about it and possible side effects.

: 

: Thanks,

: 	Brian



-- 

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



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Subject: Re: Cretagus Drops

From: coyote <coyote-1@swbell.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:17:42 -0600

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J. G. Simpson wrote:

>

> If you are referring to what is known as Hawthorn, then it's

> listed as a treatment for hypertension - see Hoffman's Holistic

> Herbal.

>

> It's one of the herbs I've been using for HPB, was 184 over 115,

> has dropped to (over a 6 mth period through intermediate values)

> to 146 over 91 (and presumably still falling) without conventional

> beta-blocker etc medication.

>

> Brian Shuell (bshuell@voyager.net) wrote:

> : Does anyone have any information about Cretagus? I'd like to know

more

> : about it and possible side effects.

> :

> : Thanks,

> :       Brian

>

> --

> -------------

>

> J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk

>

> -------------

You are not alone in your observation. I live with someone who eats the

dried berries as a regular part of their day.  They have had their

BP drop and have also had their prescription meds modified by their

physician as a direct result of this particular addition to their

diet.



I've made a beverage tea with the dried fruits and found it quite

pleasant.



We get the dried berries at our local oriental food market.



Balance,





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Subject: Re: Echinacea tincture?

From: lisastag@cnw.com (Lisa)

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 15:51:04 GMT

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"Barb" <maggie@muskoka.com> wrote:



>    I have echinacea roots in the garden four years old. They are

>medicinally ready for use. Anyone know how to do this?



Hi,

Sorry this took so long to post, but I had to double-check.

Root plants are best harvested in the fall after the plant is finished

it's growing cycle for the year. While I have never divided echinacea

I have been told you can dig up the whole plant and divide out the

older growth & re-plant the rest to start anew next year. However, I

believe that you'll have stronger plants if you start from seed,

promoting diversity instead of clones.

If I were you, (& I wish I were...) I'd let the plants stay in the

earth for another growing cycle, harvest the seeds & plant those in

the fall. Then harvest the whole plant after the first frost.

Following a "plant by the moon" guide is good, but don't wait til the

ground is frozen, that can be *very* difficult.  You could havest the

leaves,stems & flowers before frost, tincturing (sp?)

those while waiting for the first frost to dig up the roots,then add

that tincture solution to the roots instead of "fresh" alcohol to

combine all into one. I believe that "Herb Pharm" uses the whole plant

in their product, but I don't. Frost/cold signals the plant to prepare

for winter, & it gathers its' energy therefore providing a better

medicinal substance. 

For making tincture, wash off the dirt & chop as small as possible..

 Fill a glass jar (canning jars are good) & fill again with 100 proof

vodka (which is 50% water & 50% alcohol). Let this sit in a cool dark

place for at least 2 weeks, or one moon cycle (....or several months

like I do because life gets too busy sometimes).

 I used to use pure grain alcohol until I read somewhere that some

plants require water as well as alcohol to release all medicinal

constituants... I use tinctures almost exclusively unless I chew or

eat the herb. The last time I made echinacea tincture I chopped it up

in my Vita-Mix with the vodka, it made a thick pulp that was difficult

to strain, but easier to squeeze through cheese cloth. A very potent

medicine that I still have 10oz of. It's lasted 3 years and still

tingles the tounge.



I hope this helps.

Good Luck, & if you have any questions you can email me.



Oh, & if you find you have *too much* of your good thing.....

I know someone who can't grow echinacea for beans but loves to

tincture it......



Lisa

lisastag@aa.net

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Lisa







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Subject: Re: Echinacea tincture?

From: Vesta Leigh <twin@alaska.net>

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 00:08:51 -0800

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How lucky you have Echinacea!! I hve made medicinal tinctures for a 

decade now. Ech. does not grow here, to my knowledge. I do do a lot of  

arnica montana, which is wonderful for trauma. The only thing I would add 

to the directions Lisa gave is that the Tinc. should be shaken gentily 

once a day IF POSSIBLE. But more than that I have done considerable 

research on the lengthof time to leave Tinc. to cure. I kept finding 

different times. The most recent literature I read on it said that 10 

days to two weeks was the best length of time to leave a tinc. to "make." 

One respected writer said that if left for longer time the plant material 

can re-absorbe the constituents back from the Tinc. Apparently this 

process keeps happening back and forth and that there is more a chance of 

not getting consistant results the longer it is left. I too use 'fruit' 

jars. I also store mine in same but have to check every year or so to 

make sure the  'lids-rings' have not corroded.It would be better without 

metal tops at all...but finding the right bottle, and paying for same can 

be difficult.  

Vesta



 Lisa wrote:

>sa





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Subject: Bladder Tumors

From: sarv@mhv.net

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 18:46:09 GMT

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Dear Friends,



I have been having recurring bladder tumors for the past six years.

Each time they need to be removed surgically before they become nasty.

I would like any information or suggestions as to what herbs might be

helpful.



Thanks.



Sarv





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Subject: how do I heal a wound?

From: mcbroom@viptx.net (Cloud9)

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 23:10:11 GMT

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I am a 42-year-old quadriplegic due to a neuromuscular disease and I

also have diabetes.  I had to have a flap-over surgery for a decubitus

that would not heal on my right butt.  The graft was successful, but

the donor site became infected and is an open wound with tunnels.  If

anyone knowledgeable could direct me to an alternative treatment

method e.g. herbal, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

Daniel





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Subject: Re: how do I heal a wound?

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 4 Feb 1997 00:55:23 GMT

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mcbroom@viptx.net (cloud 9) wrote:



>"I am a 42-year-old quadriplegic due to a neuromuscular disease and I

also have diabetes.  I had to have a flap-over surgery for a decubitus

that would not heal on my right butt.  The graft was successful, but

the donor site became infected and is an open wound with tunnels.  If

anyone knowledgeable could direct me to an alternative treatment

method e.g. herbal, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

Daniel>"



Could you please tell us how large and how deep the lesion is and what is

the nature of the discharge coming from it?  Where is the donor site

located? Are you on antibiotics, and what are you allergic to?  How

controlled is your blood sugar level?  Are you insulin-dependent?  (Please

post your reply to the newsgroup.)  T.





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Subject: Re: how do I heal a wound?

From: Diane Greene <greened@ucs.orst.edu>

Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 22:30:49 -0800

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what do you think of trying packing goldenseal and myrrh goop on the wound?





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Subject: Re: how do I heal a wound?

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard Renaud)

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 12:51:10 GMT

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mcbroom@viptx.net (Cloud9) wrote:



>I am a 42-year-old quadriplegic due to a neuromuscular disease and I

>also have diabetes.  I had to have a flap-over surgery for a decubitus

>that would not heal on my right butt.  The graft was successful, but

>the donor site became infected and is an open wound with tunnels.  If

>anyone knowledgeable could direct me to an alternative treatment

>method e.g. herbal, I would greatly appreciate it.

>Thanks,

>Daniel



Hi Daniel,



2 Chinese herbal formulas used for open wound:

- Tienchi Powder Raw (Sheng Tian Qi Fen) [1 herb formula] sold in bottle of 40 g.

- Yunnan Paiyao (Yun Nan Bai Yao) [secret ingredients] sold in box of 10 bottles of 4 g.



Clean the wound and pour the powder on.

Available in Chinese herbs stores.



I hope this helps,



Richard Renaud







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Subject: Re: how do I heal a wound?

From: "ANDRE" <apienaar@iafrica.com>

Date: 4 Feb 1997 19:53:53 GMT

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You could try Comfrey (Boraginaceae) if it is available in your country. Be

carefull this is potent. You could also try Marigold (Calendula Compositae)

this is a soothing, healing antiseptic.  I am not a helbalist so get

propper advice when using any of this.



apienaar@iafrica.com



Cloud9 <mcbroom@viptx.net> wrote in article

<32f76fec.6303492@news.viptx.net>...

> I am a 42-year-old quadriplegic due to a neuromuscular disease and I

> also have diabetes.  I had to have a flap-over surgery for a decubitus

> that would not heal on my right butt.  The graft was successful, but

> the donor site became infected and is an open wound with tunnels.  If

> anyone knowledgeable could direct me to an alternative treatment

> method e.g. herbal, I would greatly appreciate it.

> Thanks,

> Daniel

> 





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Subject: Re: how do I heal a wound?

From: shil@cpd.flsco.fls.dk

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 10:11:24 -0600

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In article <32f76fec.6303492@news.viptx.net>,

  mcbroom@viptx.net (Cloud9) wrote:

>

> I am a 42-year-old quadriplegic due to a neuromuscular disease and I

> also have diabetes.  I had to have a flap-over surgery for a decubitus

> that would not heal on my right butt.  The graft was successful, but

> the donor site became infected and is an open wound with tunnels.  If

> anyone knowledgeable could direct me to an alternative treatment

> method e.g. herbal, I would greatly appreciate it.

> Thanks,

> Daniel

Hi,

Sorry to hear about your problem. This is what I do for my patients:'

First, apply a salve, tincture, or oil of Arnica Montana (for

open wounds) or Calendela (for burns or blisters) several times a day.

This will accelerate the healing process, and reduce swelling and

pain. Secondly, you need to pep up your immune system--that's

why your wound isn't healing properly. I suggest that you take

Ginseng, Eleutherococcus, and Chisandra Chinesis on a daily basis.

Get Ginseng root if you can, the tinctures, capsules, teas etc.

are of varying quality, and there is American Ginseng grown in

Wisconsin and the Appalachias. Your health food store or Chinese

drugstore will have all of the above ingredients. If not, I can

give you some addresses in California where you can get it mail

order. It's also a good idea to take mineral & vitamin supplements

as well as antioxidants. You should especially check out vitamins

K and P.



Good health!



Scott



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Subject: Re: how do I heal a wound?

From: clrobbins7@aol.com (CLRobbins7)

Date: 9 Feb 1997 05:34:36 GMT

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I've always thought that Arnica was only for healing bruises and such and

not for use on broken skin....Read up before you use it.

Lynn





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Subject: Re: how do I heal a wound?

From: paul.toseland@virgin.net

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 05:38:17 GMT

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clrobbins7@aol.com (CLRobbins7) wrote:



>I've always thought that Arnica was only for healing bruises and such and

>not for use on broken skin....Read up before you use it.

>Lynn



I have always been taught that Arnica is external use only too,

because of what it is made from (poisonous plant in raw form) ---

Calendula tincture is specific for wounds and works miracles!

If you can't get tincture, use dried or fresh flower heads, made into

a very strong tea; allow to cool and bathe the affected part. It has

an antibiotic effect too, so should help with the infection.



Ev







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Subject: Re: how do I heal a wound?

From: joereidomd@leonardo.net

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:56:01 -0800

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In article <5e2m25$n51@news3-gui.server.cableol.net>,

paul.toseland@virgin.net wrote:



> clrobbins7@aol.com (CLRobbins7) wrote:

> 

> >I've always thought that Arnica was only for healing bruises and such and

> >not for use on broken skin....Read up before you use it.

> >Lynn

> 

> I have always been taught that Arnica is external use only too,

> because of what it is made from (poisonous plant in raw form) ---

> Calendula tincture is specific for wounds and works miracles!

> If you can't get tincture, use dried or fresh flower heads, made into

> a very strong tea; allow to cool and bathe the affected part. It has

> an antibiotic effect too, so should help with the infection.

> 

> Ev



I recall a number of years back that bottles of the tincture from a

homeopathic pharmacy had labeling that included use internally at one or

two teaspoons in a glass of water.  An acquaintance mistakenly believed in

_more is better_ and took half a bottle, reportedly to get palpitations

followed by an ER stomach pump.  Following are two of my own personal

significant experiences with arnica:

1)  Four foot fall to concrete on my sacrum caused numb pain throughout

lower torso (complete anesthesia locally).  I didn't have access to

homeopathics but found dried arnica flowers in a Mexican grocery - I

prepared and drank tea with no evident effect over two days ; then took

several different homeopathic remedies (including arnica) over a two week

period with complete recovery.

2)  Bruised ribs from cycling accident - iced initially - ten days later

still had 80% of the acute pain on any movement.  Took a single dose of

200C arnica and about three hours later suddenly realized that the pain was

GONE !

So, I'll go along with the Calendula tincture or ointment for superficial

wounds, and for injury that involves significant shock and bruising -

homeopathic Arnica (6x if repeat dosing, 30 or 200 according to severity

once only).



Joe Reid, O.M.D.





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Subject: Re: how do I heal a wound?

From: joereidomd@leonardo.net

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 08:58:23 -0800

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******

ADDENDUM below

******

In article <joereidomd-ya023480001602971056010001@news.leonardo.net>,

joereidomd@leonardo.net wrote:

> I recall a number of years back that bottles of the tincture from a

> homeopathic pharmacy had labeling that included use internally at one or

> two teaspoons in a glass of water.  An acquaintance mistakenly believed in

> _more is better_ and took half a bottle, reportedly to get palpitations

> followed by an ER stomach pump.  Following are two of my own personal

> significant experiences with arnica:

> 1)  Four foot fall to concrete on my sacrum caused numb pain throughout

> lower torso (complete anesthesia locally).  I didn't have access to

> homeopathics but found dried arnica flowers in a Mexican grocery - I

> prepared and drank tea with no evident effect over two days ; then took

> several different homeopathic remedies (including arnica) over a two week

> period with complete recovery.

> 2)  Bruised ribs from cycling accident - iced initially - ten days later

> still had 80% of the acute pain on any movement.  Took a single dose of

> 200C arnica and about three hours later suddenly realized that the pain was

> GONE !

> So, I'll go along with the Calendula tincture or ointment for superficial

> wounds, and for injury that involves significant shock and bruising -

> homeopathic Arnica (6x if repeat dosing, 30 or 200 according to severity

> once only).

> Joe Reid, O.M.D.



******

In 1) above, I should clarify that the only reason I used several different

remedies over two weeks was - A) the injury was ACUTE, and NOT a chronic

disorder,  B) each sequential remedy was chosen according to changing

specifics of the picture which happened to indicate going to a different

choice,  and C) there was no loss of erectility or I would have rushed to a

neurologist if you know what I mean and I think you do.

[ I know many herbalists are suspicious of homeopathy, so let me point out

that _Chinese herb medicine_ includes many substances from the natural

world (most processed to some degree) which are not leafy greens. 

Additionally, after tincture (titration for non-solubles), and _homeopathic

dilution_, the familiar sugar pills are merely a convenient form ;

otherwise it would be a sip of water.  Finally, herbal indications do not

always carry over in predictable ways due to dosage dependent effects which

can be similar, opposite or unrelated - that's what study of the

_provings_, toxicology, and clinical records are for ;-]



Joe Reid, O.M.D.

******





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Subject: Re: how do I heal a wound?

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 01:17:00 GMT

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joereidomd@leonardo.net spoke with these words:



Experiences snipped...



>So, I'll go along with the Calendula tincture or ointment for superficial

>wounds, and for injury that involves significant shock and bruising -

>homeopathic Arnica (6x if repeat dosing, 30 or 200 according to severity

>once only).

>Joe Reid, O.M.D.



I am currently taking 30X arnica sublingual tablets ..three at a time,

and am supposed to take them 3X a day, but have remembered to take

then so far only once or twice a day.  For...contusions on chest after

the overhead modular furniture door fell on me. (It also did something

to the 'joint'? in the sternum) It seems to be helping..and I am

beginning to apply arnica gel topically.



Janine

Jacob's Well

http://www.cwo.com/~jwell







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Subject: Re: how do I heal a wound?

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:45:13 GMT

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clrobbins7@aol.com (CLRobbins7) spoke with these words:



>I've always thought that Arnica was only for healing bruises and such and

>not for use on broken skin....Read up before you use it.

>Lynn



I have a comfrey salve for sale..$5 for a one oz jar, and $15 for a 4

oz jar. One woman uses it on her leg stump, removed because of

diabetes, and says it is the creamiest she has found.  I have comfrey,

tea-tree oil, peppermint oil, calendula, olive oil, and beeswax in it.



Also, as the other poster said, you could use calendula oil.. I also

have this, or you could make it yourself.  Purchase organic calendula

flower heads, (they usually only sell the heads, just telling you so

you will be aware), and soak for a couple of weeks in olive oil.  You

can use any massage type oil, but since olive oil is also a vulnerary

in and of itself (heals wounds) olive oil is what I prefer.



Raw honey would also work, not the type you purchase in the

store..it's usually been heated..but buy it at an established health

food store, apply and cover with a dressing, Repeat every 4 hours or

so.



Take echinacea..it is a fantastic infection fighter..get the extract,

as it assimilates more quickly than the capsule does. Depends on what

you wish actually.



Janine

http://www.cwo.com/~jwell

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corrections if you see them please.







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Subject: Re: QUESTION ON ECHINACEA

From: "John Foster" <J2030@msn.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 16:22:28 -0800

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The golden seal is much worse than the echinecea



Lance Boyer <boyerl@rc.net> wrote in article <32E93C1F.3454@rc.net>...

> Helen wrote:

> > 

> > I've seen lots of posts on echinacea, but no one has mentioned the

horrible

> > taste.  I bought a liquid echinacea and goldenseal combination, but can

> > hardly stand to take it. Are there other forms available that don't

taste

> > so bad?  I've tried taking it in tea, but it is still awful.  Thanks

for

> > any advice.  Helen

> I put 12 drops of echinaccea into a glass of orange juice.  It ruins the

> taste of the OJ, but I can wash it down quickly and it is not as bad as

> straight echinaccea.  Lance

> 





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Subject: Cross postings to all newsgrps.

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 4 Feb 1997 02:50:56 GMT

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Am I the only one that is getting worn out reading the same posts on all

the medical newsgroups?  T.





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Subject: Wheatgerm Oil?

From: Joanne Hurn <joanne.hurn@dsto.defence.gov.au>

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 13:06:09 +0930

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Does anyone out there know anything about wheatgerm oil?



My chiropractor recommended taking that (along with CoQ10) to

aid a lower back problem I have had for many, many years 

(it is a degenerative disc problem). It seems to be working,

I wondered if anyone else has had any experience with this 

oil?



Thankyou,

Jo



(Also posted on misc.health.alternative)





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Subject: A Source for Horse Chestnut cream?

From: Michele <whimsey@inwave.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 19:47:31 -0800

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Hello. I was hoping someone could suggest a U.S. source for horse

chestnut cream, useful for spider veins, etc.



Please reply to newsgroup only.



TIA, Michele





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Subject: Re: friar's balsam?

From: clrobbins7@aol.com (CLRobbins7)

Date: 4 Feb 1997 04:53:02 GMT

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Tincture of Benzoin and Friars Balm are not the same item.  Friars Balm is

a compound extract consisting of Siam Benzoin resin(Styrax

tonkinensis),Storax balsam(Liquidambar orientalis),Balsam or

Tolu(Toluifera balsamum), Balsam of Peru(Toluifera pareirae), Cape Aloe

leaf latex(Aloe ferox), Myrrh tears(Commiphora abyssinica), and Angelica

root(Angelica Archangelica).



The experience I have had with it is to use the the Balm either full

strength or diluted with a small amount of equal parts water and glycerine

for sensitive areas on cuts or scratches that are being stubborn to heal

or have become infected.

It also seems to dry up Ivy blisters pretty well.

The Brand I use is made by HerbPharm and includes directions on the

bottle.

Also states that it can be used internally 15-30 drops in water two to

four times a day but I have no knowledge of why it would be used in this

way or how long you could use it. 

Hope this is useful and sorry I didn't see this sooner.

Lynn Robbins





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Subject: Re: friar's balsam?

From: clrobbins7@aol.com (CLRobbins7)

Date: 4 Feb 1997 06:04:37 GMT

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Curiosity got the better of me and I looked up some more on Friar's

Balsam.

It probably will help heal a blister but I don't know about "toughening

the skin".

Anyway, heres what I came up with.



Taken internally or inhaled with steam vapor it is a stimulating

expectorant in old coughs and catarrhs, laryngitis, early stages  of acute

bronchitis, and chronic bronchitis. 



As inhalant: Mix one teaspoon of balsam into a pint of hot, steaming water

and then breath the vapors.



Internally:  Two to four times per day take 15 to 30 drops in water.  To

make a soothing syrup for throat or bronchial affections, mix drops in a

spoonful of honey, maple syrup or malt syrup.



This information came with the advice that contact dermatitis may result

from topical use. Watch carefully.  Also  recommended that some of the

above are very serious health threats if not treated properly and use for

these conditions should me monitored by a qualified practitioner.



It's past my bedtime now so Good Night.



Lynn











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kloss-Back to Eden

From: najara <najara@swbell.net>

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 22:01:36 -0800

--------

I have this beautiful book, and have read it from cover to cover.  Does 

anyone know if all of the herbal remedies in here are still valid, or 

have they been proven ineffective by modern research.  Also-is cayenne 

really as effective as he seemed to believe?

T





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To: najara <najara@swbell.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kloss-Back to Eden

From: Esta M Weiss <esta@U.Arizona.EDU>

Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 00:59:55 -0700

--------

On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, najara wrote:



> I have this beautiful book, and have read it from cover to cover.  Does 

> anyone know if all of the herbal remedies in here are still valid, or 

> have they been proven ineffective by modern research.  Also-is cayenne 

> really as effective as he seemed to believe?

> T

> 

>Dear T...

	Dr Kloss may have been a bit off the mark as to why some of the

aliments he was treating where happening..but he has been 'proved" dare I

use such a word..again and again..by more modern herbailists..with regard

to his choice of herbs..in nearly every case..I checked that one

myself as I had the same question..that I have ever looked up..

..and the info

regarding in home care..is still just a valid now as when he wrote it...

	regarding the cayanne.. you betcha... what he said..and more.. the

idea of putting it on  wound sounds bizzare..but news.. it works.. look at

the latetess arthiic rub... Capsium...that is the proper name for

cayannne..we are just now catching up with something the good dr.knew a

long time ago.

if your in doubt..check out his lists of herbs for disease with a modern

text in your hand at the same time.. the simalrity will suprize you..and

the ones the modern dont list.. i mark as ones to check out further.. as

Dr. had NO other meds to give his people..so he used all that he

had...that worked for him...so there must be something to it..if you

discount some of the strange reasons he gives for why his cleint had the

touble..but even at that..in many cases..he was right..

	yours

	Esta



May blessings fall on thee

like rain drops..:)







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kloss-Back to Eden

From: gecross@aol.com

Date: 8 Feb 1997 08:23:56 GMT

--------

In article

<Pine.A41.3.95q.970204005128.50610L-100000@kitts.u.arizona.edu>, Esta M

Weiss <esta@U.Arizona.EDU> writes:



>> 

>>Dear T...

>	Dr Kloss may have been a bit off the mark as to why some of the

>aliments he was treating where happening..but he has been 'proved" dare I

>use such a word..again and again..by more modern herbailists..with regard

>to his choice of herbs..in nearly every case..I checked that one

>myself as I had the same question..that I have ever looked up..

>..and the info

>regarding in home care..is still just a valid now as when he wrote it...

>	



This sounds interesting.  Could you please re-name this source, full

author's name, publisher, etc?  Thanx.





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To: gecross@aol.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kloss-Back to Eden

From: Esta M Weiss <esta@U.Arizona.EDU>

Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 00:18:59 -0700

--------

> >	Dr Kloss may have been a bit off the mark as to why some of the

> >aliments he was treating where happening..but he has been 'proved" dare I

> >use such a word..again and again..by more modern herbailists..with regard

> >to his choice of herbs..in nearly every case..I checked that one

> >myself as I had the same question..that I have ever looked up..

> >..and the info

> >regarding in home care..is still just a valid now as when he wrote it...

> >	

> 

> This sounds interesting.  Could you please re-name this source, full

> author's name, publisher, etc?  Thanx.

> 

> 	Sure...

	the book is called Back to Eden just as the header said..

	author herbalist Jethro Kloss

	frist printed in 1939

	 publisher ( there have been many) Longview  publishing..coalmont

tenn...



.while looking for the publisher..I found something Id never seen in all

the years I have had this book..its very old even before it came to my

hands..I found a notice  buried in the front blank pages.. from the

publisher... to paraphase..



 it states to cherish the book...as it outlays the natual way.. 

contorverial...diametricaally oposed to current medical pratice..

to prevent

one from haveing to rely the doctor and the drug store and the finaical

drain therefo...that orgainzed medicne has moved heaven and earth to

obstuct the circulation of the book.. it hurts their business.we are not

even allowed to advertise it..only that we have it and it costs this much...

" from there on out....will depend on purchasers...show it to their

neighbors....yet the "establishment" will tell you...not intrefering with

its sale .



	My copy is dated...1939.. its frist printing...things havent

changed a whole lot have they...???



May blessings fall on thee

like rain drops..:)







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kloss-Back to Eden

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 12 Feb 1997 00:02:01 GMT

--------

In article <19970208082300.DAA08537@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

gecross@aol.com writes:



>This sounds interesting.  Could you please re-name this source, full

>author's name, publisher, etc?



Back to Eden

by Jethro Kloss

Revised and expanded 2nd edition (revisions done by Kloss family)

1992



Back To Eden Books, ISBN 0940985101

Note in the front of the book says that the family has kept it in print

since 1946.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA 

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm







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Subject: Re: Kloss-Back to Eden

From: coyote <coyote-1@swbell.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:55:58 -0600

--------

najara wrote:

>  Also-is cayenne really as effective as he seemed to believe?



My memory of the exact attributions of Cayenne in  _BACK TO EDEN_ escape

me at present.  I will however put forth the following:



In a household of 5 (3 adults and two children)  The adults seem to have

fewer colds and other similar discomfort than the children.  The

children eat far fewer peppers (of all types) than the adults.



We also were fortunate in avoiding an outbreak of a rather nasty strain

of intestinal disorder this past fall which put the children in bed for

a few days.  They are now starting to eat some more peppers.  Jalapeno

anyone?





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Attachment



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kloss-Back to Eden

From: earthling2@bigfoot.com

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 05:31:48 GMT

--------

On Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:55:58 -0600, coyote <coyote-1@swbell.net>

wrote:



>najara wrote:

>>  Also-is cayenne really as effective as he seemed to believe?

>

>My memory of the exact attributions of Cayenne in  _BACK TO EDEN_ escape

>me at present.  I will however put forth the following:

>

>In a household of 5 (3 adults and two children)  The adults seem to have

>fewer colds and other similar discomfort than the children.  The

>children eat far fewer peppers (of all types) than the adults.

>

>We also were fortunate in avoiding an outbreak of a rather nasty strain

>of intestinal disorder this past fall which put the children in bed for

>a few days.  They are now starting to eat some more peppers.  Jalapeno

>anyone?

>

The antique Cottage Physician is excellent research material too.



Lisa

























.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Irritable baby - honey

From: najara <najara@swbell.net>

Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 22:04:47 -0800

--------

VWinter wrote:

> 

> I remember reading an article severval years ago....where babies died when

> given raw honey....which had germs in it that wouldn't hurt an adult but

> would harm a baby....





Please do not give your baby honey!!!  Honey contains botulism toxins, 

which, in the small ammount in honey, is harmless to adults, but lethal 

for children.  I've read that they can have it after age 1, and I've 

read age 2.  Be on the safe side.  Maybe try a mild chamomile tea in a 

bottle, sweetened with a little Karo syrup.

T





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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,sci.life-extension,sci.med.pharmacy,sci.med.nutrition,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med

Subject: hcv&melatonin

From: brumberg <brumberg@worldnet.fr>

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 15:27:14 +0100

--------

hi

> > does someone get any information about the effects of melatonin on the

> > liver?

> > i'm hcv + since 10 years and i just start to use melatonin to fight the

> > fatigue and i can say that it's work very well, but in facts i don't

> > really know if it's good or bad for the liver.

> > thank's for your answers

> > gil.

>





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Accountability for postings

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 4 Feb 1997 15:57:54 GMT

--------

This might be a wakeup call for us:



Bob Niland wrote:



">Every newsgroup has at least one "killfile poster child".  There's not

>much that can be done about the trouble they cause for themselves, but

>you can not only avoid the problems noted above, [snipped] but perhaps

more

>significantly, you can avoid building a net history of being associated

>with them and their often acrimonious tirades.  Consider...



_______________________________________________________________________

>Do you post to netnews groups on the web?

>If so, try the following in your favorite web browser...



>Go to URL:

  >http://www.dejanews.com/forms/dnq.html 

>Select (*) Old

>Type in your name, netname or email address.  See what happens.



>Go to URL:

  >http://www.dejanews.com/forms/authprof.html

>Type in your name, netname or email address.  See what happens.

>[On AOL you can go to Dejanews and type in variations on the above-T.]



>I've found this to be a useful resource, but it has risks as well...



>I've been a net user since the early 1980s.  It has always been the case

>that whatever we post might come back around years later.  Until late

>1995, I was accustomed to getting several email requests per year on

>long-expired articles I had posted months or years prior.



>However, this phenomenom was rare, until recently, as lingering old

>stuff was usually limited to my own FAQs, quotes in other people's FAQs,

>files that readers had saved, or articles from rare private nntp sites

>with long expiration periods.



>Dejanews has changed all that.

>Now virtually 

 > EVERYTHING is available to

 >  EVERYONE, essentially

 >     FOREVER



>The implications of this hit me last autumn when an east coast print

>newspaper reporter asked to interview me, for publication, on something

>I'd casually posted months before, and which had long since expired on

>the nntp sites that serve my accounts.  I managed to decline the honor

>of being mis-quoted in a sensationalist tabloid, although, as the

>reporter pointed out, she could have used my netnews quotes without my

>permission.



>DejaNews "only" keeps 18 months today, but with the precipitous decline

>of disk prices, there's no reason they (and other sites) can't keep net

>traffic permanently.  There's little in the unstated informal agreement

>about what NetNews is that prevents or even discourages this.



>Even if you insert the "X-No-Archive:  Yes" header in your articles,

>there's no assurance that all sites will honor it, and any responses

>containing your quoted material may well not have no-archive set.

>Dejanews also has a clumsy way of allowing you to delete your old stuff,

>but that won't delete it from their backup tapes, nor the tapes in

>hundreds of vaults world-wide.



>There probably are sites (FBI and other 3-letter agencies) that have

>been permanently archiving for some time.  It's easy to speculate that

>some private detective agencies who specialize in background checks are

>also archiving.  Many corporations have permanent archives of their

>internal newsgroups.  There are also "best of the net" CD-ROMs, that are

>essentially permanent records.



>In the not-too-distant-future (possibly the day before yesterday)...



>* If you apply for a job, or come up for promotion, the HR dept will

 > trawl the net to see what kind of netizen you have been.



>* If you apply for a government job, licensed or regulated job, or a

  >security clearance, the FBI will check all your back traffic and

  >update the net profile they've already been keeping on you.



>* If you run for elected office, or are a nominee for a public position,

  >you can count on the opposition doing intensive dirt-digging on the

  >net.



>* If you apply for a loan/mortgage, the bank or credit reporting agency

  >will check your net presence for known financial risk factors.



>* If you apply for college admission, or membership in a wide variety

  >of organizations, they'll check your net credentials.



>* If you even ask someone on a date, they'll browse to see if you are a

  >net bozo.



>Everything you post (read "publish") needs to be something you won't be

>embarassed about DECADES from now.



>I doubt that today's average net-flamers, ranters, ravers, pranksters,

>foamers, spammers and boors are even dimly aware of what has been

>quietly happening, and what it could mean to them down the road.



>Do you have children using netnews?  Be sure to teach them the facts of

>net life.  Have them poke Dejanews and type in their ID.  Ask them

>"would you be embarrassed if I looked at any of those articles?"



>If you post to NetNews, contribute to FAQs or keep web pages, you need

>to assume that, like the old grade-school threat, whatever you post....



>                 "goes on your Permanent Record".



>Even a single ill-considered reply by a responsible net user (like you)

>could cause trouble tommorrow that far outweighs any momentary

>satisfaction today.



>Regards,                                            1001-A East Harmony

Road

>Bob Niland                                          Suite 503

>Internet:  rjn@sni.net                              Fort Collins

>Unless otherwise specifically stated,               Colorado     80525  

USA

>expressing personal opinions and NOT

>speaking for any employer, client or 

>Internet Service Provider."



Thanks Bob, T.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Diabetes in Chinese Medicine.

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 10:31:21 -0600

--------

We call diabetes "Thirst and Hunger" in Chinese Traditional Medicine.

According to the documents, the diabetes mean:



Thirsty in upper of the body ( respiratory organs: lung ).

Hungry in middle of the body ( digestive organs: stomach ).

Frequent urine in the lower of the body ( urinary organs: kidney ).



Three main causes of the diabetes:

1.Fatty foods and drinks:

   It damaged the digestive organs, caused inner heat and dry heat in the

body,

   and burn the liquids of the body, such as saliva and pepsin, then

causes to thirst.



2.Depression and emotion:

   Depression in mind causes inner heat, temper causes irregular blood and

heartbeat,

   The heat can burn the energy of the body including muscles and fat,

they are hungry

   for more calorie.

   So, we can saw most of the diabetes patients are thin.



3.No limited in sexual activity:

   Exhausted unrinary organs cause kidney working in drained power

   and loss the function of filtering and frequent urine happened,

   finally, they become impotence.



Another complication of diabetes is furuncles or boils, Chinese herbalists

advice to treat them as well.



Several types of main symptoms of diabetes.

1.Upper Thirst :

   Feel fidgety and thirsty, dry in mouth, shit is normal but frequent

urine,

   red tongue tip,   yellow fur of tongue, strong and quick heartbeat.



2.Middle Hunger:

   Feel hungry, dry in mouth, thin shape, constipation, dry and yellow

fur,

   red tongue,weak and quick heartbeat.



3.Frequent urine:

   Sweet urine, red tongue, dry in mouth, red tongue, afraid of cold, dark

heartbeat.



4.One drink one urine:(more frequent urine, we call it "vacant in both yin

and yang".)

   White fur and tongue, dark face, impotence, dark and weak heartbeat,

blur in eyes,

   hard to hear,   furnucles and boils.



Chinese herbalists' advice:

1.Avoid nervous emotion and temper, spicy and fatty food, exceeding sexual

activities.

2.Rice, congee, vegetables, nonfat meat, eggs would be better than others.

3.Should take some herbs to nourish your yin and calm the inner heat to

 balance some liquid.

4.Acupuncture is helpful.



--

1ST HERBS

The leading brand in Taiwan in Chinese herbs field.

http://www.ttn.com.tw/~backman/



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Subject: Re: Cats Claw/Devils Claw

From: shil@cpd.flsco.fls.dk

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 10:31:29 -0600

--------

In article <19970131025200.VAA18172@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

  lsanc26051@aol.com (LSanc26051) wrote:

>

> If the pods you are reffering to are about 6" long each, they are devil's

> claw, and do grow here in the southwest.  (I'm in New Mexico).  Louise



Boy, are you guys confused! Devil's Claw (Harpagophytum) is a

root and comes from South Africa. Cat's claw comes from South

America and is a completely different plant.



Scott Hill

Danish Society for Acupuncture



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Subject: basedow's syndrome--grave's disease--exphothalamic goiter

From: shil@cpd.flsco.fls.dk

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 10:41:08 -0600

--------

Hi,



I am an alternative practicioner in Denmark looking for

treatments for graves disease (Basedow's syndrome, expothalamic

goiter). Does anyone have any REAL experience in the following

treatments:



Acupuncture

Herbology (Bladderwrack,Kelp,Poke,Bugleweed, GoldenSeal,Couchgrass,

           Hawthorne,Ginko, etc.)

Dietary Therapy

Antioxidants

Adaptogens



Thanks



Scott Hill

Danish Society of Acupuncture



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Subject: scar healing

From: cas@Eng.Sun.COM (Cathy Sminkey -SMCC Software System Test)

Date: 4 Feb 1997 17:17:54 GMT

--------

Can anyone recommend a herb or vitamin to help a scar heal?  

There is no keloid but it's been about three months and the 

skin is still very dark.  I applied vitamin E for the first 

few weeks.



-Cathy











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: scar healing

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 5 Feb 1997 06:11:01 -0700

--------

cas@Eng.Sun.COM (Cathy Sminkey -SMCC Software System Test) wrote:



>Can anyone recommend a herb or vitamin to help a scar heal?  

  Sunscreen, a really strong one, if the scar is anywhere it is

exposed to sunlight (or will be when the weather warms up).

Use it for the first summer.

  Scars can develop hyperpigmentation, and sunscreen helps

prevent it.  They will change shape, and color, for quite a while

after the cut is healed.





Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | http://www.writepage.com

(the real place to e-mail)| Genre Fiction Publicity

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Subject: Re: scar healing

From: coltremb@rsvs.ulaval.ca (Colette Tremblay)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:27:12 -0500

--------

> cas@Eng.Sun.COM (Cathy Sminkey -SMCC Software System Test) wrote:

> 

> >Can anyone recommend a herb or vitamin to help a scar heal?



In Chile Rose Hip oil is commonly used for this. In Spanish it is called

"Aceite de rosa mosqueta". I don't know exactly how effective it is or if

it is widely available. 

Good luck.  



-- 

Colette Tremblay

Quebec QC Canada

Zone 4b





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Looking for Epimedium (Lusty Goatherb)

From: Sam Wigand <sam@wigand.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:08:56 +0000

--------

In article <5c8hl9$gpi$2@newshost.cyberramp.net>, william ragsdale

<william@cyberramp.net> writes

>Looking for a Chinese herb called Epimedium or Lusty Goatherb.

>Thanks

>

I'm going to plug my suppliers again:



East West Herbs



London: tel. 0171 379 1312

San Francisco: tel. 510 652 2807



Mayway



London: tel. 0181 893 6873 / fax. 0181 893 6874



East West is pricier but has the better quality control.

The Mandarin name for Epimedium is Yin Yang Huo. You shouldn't take it

by itself as it is very drying.

-- 

Sam Wigand





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Most alternate health industry claims are equivalent to "snake oil" remedies

From: Sam Wigand <sam@wigand.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:22:00 +0000

--------

In article <5c8im5$gpi$3@newshost.cyberramp.net>, william ragsdale

<william@cyberramp.net> writes

>Does anyone other than myself get their mailboxes flooded with literature 

>advertising information books (often around 50 bucks) claiming to have 

>detailed information on how to:

>



>slice<



>Melt pounds away instantly with super duper herb/vitamin combinations or 

>cream.

>

>Take "electric vitamins" (germanium) that are a cure all for everything.  

>(when actually there is only 1 highly questionable study detailing the 

>"benifits" of taking this supplement.  (note also that germanium is not a 

>vitamin, but they advertised it as an electric vitamin in the add I 

>recieved)

>



>slice<



>These are just a few of the bogus claims that are bound to dissapoint (and 

>possibly with germanium be dangerous) to follow through with.  These ads are 

>only designed to take your money, and don't be fooled if they say the books 

>are written by several well known "doctors" and have their pictures in the 

>add with them wearing the usual white smock to sport the professional 

>look....all these people really want to do is sell you books in the 

>same catagory as tabloid newspapers at grocery store check out lanes and 

>charge exhorborant prices.

>

>I guess the best advice to internet users is:  research this stuff for 

>yourself before you buy into any claims...the internet is a rich resource in 

>information...(if you can find ways of wading through the junk)

>



I agree.

What people may tend to forget is that simply because something is

herbal does not mean that it is superior to anything else.

Weight loss formulae are a case in point. Many are diuretics. Modern

pharmaceutical diuretics are electrolyte sensitive, while herbal ones

are not. They may as a result deplete your body of sodium and potassium

to dangerous levels.



There are too many panacea-waving bandits out there giving the whole

business a bad name.



>Take care and remember:  Caveat Emptor!

>



-- 

Sam Wigand





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Subject: Re: Lobelia/Calamus tincture

From: Sam Wigand <sam@wigand.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:27:14 +0000

--------

In article <5cm6vr$ir2@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>, "Melody C. Pfeiffer"

<melodycp@ix.netcom.com> writes

>In <32EE9910.6826@together.net> "Jeanne (& Gary) Ross"

><ross@together.net> writes: 

>>

>>CheezEase wrote:

>>> 

>>> I found a Lobelia/Calamus tincture at my local herb store.

>>> Can anyone tell me what this combination might be used for?

>>

>According to Ayurvedic medicine, calamus is used as an anti-congestant.

>I am taking the tincture at present for sinus problems.



My Materia Medica (Bensky) notes that Calamus gum (Xue Jie) taken

internally may have unwanted effects on the heart. Maybe we're not

talking about the same thing, but I'd check it out.



-- 

Sam Wigand





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HELP: Searching for Liquorice Extract

From: lloyd@emailx.com (Lloyd Burgess)

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 20:15:01 GMT

--------

Does anyone know where I can get Liquorice liquid extract - preferably

in the UK ?



Many thanks



regards



Lloyd - lloyd@emailx.com

Silchester, Reading, UK





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Subject: Re: HELP: Searching for Liquorice Extract

From: Sharon & Bengt <allorenone@paonline.com>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 08:27:07 -0800

--------

Just a guess. . .have you tried Sainbury's?

-- 



God is good.  Walk in love.  Do something nice everyday for someone,

even if you just give away a smile.

http://www.paonline.com/forever/





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Subject: Re: HELP: Searching for Liquorice Extract

From: "MW" <mwhite@america.net>

Date: 6 Feb 1997 14:11:02 GMT

--------

Try mother natures general store @

http://www.mothernature.com/store.htm



Matthew



a smile for you!   ( ^ :



Sharon & Bengt <allorenone@paonline.com> wrote in article

<32FA065B.17D7@paonline.com>...

> Just a guess. . .have you tried Sainbury's?

> -- 

> 

> God is good.  Walk in love.  Do something nice everyday

for someone,

> even if you just give away a smile.

> http://www.paonline.com/forever/

> 





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Subject: Re: HELP: Searching for Liquorice Extract

From: coyote <coyote-1@swbell.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:41:37 -0600

--------

You could make a tincture of the dried root.  The most connon

formulation is 1:5 (50%)   This is quite effective in the majority of

instances where licorice is called for.  send mail if you need specifics

on the preparation of such a tincture.



Balance,

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Subject: Re: HELP: Searching for Liquorice Extract

From: Sam Wigand <sam@wigand.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:18:54 +0000

--------

In article <32f71e8e.106854280@news.clara.net>, Lloyd Burgess

<lloyd@emailx.com> writes

>Does anyone know where I can get Liquorice liquid extract - preferably

>in the UK ?

>

>Many thanks

>

>regards

>

>Lloyd - lloyd@emailx.com

>Silchester, Reading, UK





Try East West Herbs on 0171 379 1312

-- 

Sam Wigand





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Subject: Re: HELP: Searching for Liquorice Extract

From: zeeswan@aol.com (ZeeSwan)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 09:45:35 GMT

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Lloyd,  

Careful taking licorice extract as too much can deplete potassium and

leave one weak, fatigued, with irregular heart beat, etc,.  Know what

you're doing with this herb.



ZeeSwan

alt.folklore herbs





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Subject: Re: HELP: Searching for Liquorice Extract

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 18:09:58 -0500

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ZeeSwan wrote:

> 

> Lloyd,

> Careful taking licorice extract as too much can deplete potassium and

> leave one weak, fatigued, with irregular heart beat, etc,.  Know what

> you're doing with this herb.

> 

> ZeeSwan

> alt.folklore herbs



Licorice is usally better off taken in a tea, it can be very potent even

in tea.





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Subject: GOOD MAILING LIST???????

From: kbelli@sprynet.com

Date: 4 Feb 1997 20:15:43 GMT

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I really do not know much about this computer stuff so i was wondering if any one can help me on how to get on a mailing list for 

helig herbs???

thanks and please email me with the subjest healing herbs



blessed be,

  jill

  kbelli@sprynet.com





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Subject: Comfrey?

From: boghadair@aol.com (Boghadair)

Date: 4 Feb 1997 22:39:56 GMT

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Hello All



 I was wondering if anyone out there could help me FIND some Comfrey SEEDS

in the city of Toronto, Ont. Canada? I've been looking on and off for the

last little while without much luck.



bye the bye

            Is it true that if a high amount of Comfrey is used, it can

increase the odds of developing cancer?





 Gregory W G Nikitin





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Subject: Re: Comfrey?

From: ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 02:24:35 GMT

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Richters sells comfrey seeds  ----- www.richters.com and hey, they are

located in Ontario!



*B*B





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Subject: Re: Comfrey?

From: James M Kocher <kocher+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Date: Thu,  6 Feb 1997 14:51:46 -0500

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Comfrey is easily propogated by root divisions, and multiplies rapidly. 

Most anyone who has some would probally be willing to share.



Modern studies indicate that comfrey taken internally can build up to

toxic levels and is not recommended for longterm use. 





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To: Boghadair <boghadair@aol.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Comfrey?

From: paulb <paulb@netcom.ca>

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 22:57:50 -0500

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Boghadair wrote:

> 

> Hello All

> 

>  I was wondering if anyone out there could help me FIND some Comfrey SEEDS

> in the city of Toronto, Ont. Canada? I've been looking on and off for the

> last little while without much luck.

> 

> bye the bye

>             Is it true that if a high amount of Comfrey is used, it can

> increase the odds of developing cancer?

> 

>  Gregory W G Nikitin

You can get comfrey seeds from Richters, which is near Goodwood (if you 

E-mail me I can give you directions from Toronto).  We haven't had much

luck with the seeds from there but they also sell comfrey plants. . .

Nicky





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Subject: Re: Comfrey?

From: ccjs@cse.bris.ac.uk (J. G. Simpson)

Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:59:46 GMT

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Interesting, I'm in the UK and bought some Comfrey seeds last year,

they havn't germinated either.  Looks as if (9 mths on) the one or

two that didn't get covered are still sitting like mini shining

black beads on the surface.  I've now stuck the lot in the freezer

to see if this helps (works with Echinacea seeds) to break the

dormancy.  Any other expertise out there?



paulb (paulb@netcom.ca) wrote:

: Boghadair wrote:

: > 

: > Hello All

: > 

: >  I was wondering if anyone out there could help me FIND some Comfrey SEEDS

: > in the city of Toronto, Ont. Canada? I've been looking on and off for the

: > last little while without much luck.

: > 

: > bye the bye

: >             Is it true that if a high amount of Comfrey is used, it can

: > increase the odds of developing cancer?

: > 

: >  Gregory W G Nikitin

: You can get comfrey seeds from Richters, which is near Goodwood (if you 

: E-mail me I can give you directions from Toronto).  We haven't had much

: luck with the seeds from there but they also sell comfrey plants. . .

: Nicky



-- 

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



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Subject: Re: Comfrey?

From: coyote <coyote-1@swbell.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:26:13 -0600

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J. G. Simpson wrote:

>

> Interesting, I'm in the UK and bought some Comfrey seeds last year,

> they havn't germinated either.  Looks as if (9 mths on) the one or

> two that didn't get covered are still sitting like mini shining

> black beads on the surface.  I've now stuck the lot in the freezer

> to see if this helps (works with Echinacea seeds) to break the

> dormancy.  Any other expertise out there?

>

> paulb (paulb@netcom.ca) wrote:



I will submit that germination of seeds of some herbs is difficult in

some cases. With  Comfrey, I have found that acquisition of a root

cutting is far more likely to yield a surviving plant.   A quick word of

advice is in order.  Don't put Comfrey in a place that you are

considering for other plants in the near future. This is one of those

plants that spreads and spreads and keeps on spreading once it gets

established.



If you plan to use Comfrey internally take the time to read some of the

literature on the potentialities of  PA hepatotoxicity.  After you've

done your reading then make your decision as to such use.  I suggest

that internal usage should be on an intermittant and infrequent basis.

There are other herbs which will suffice quite nicely in the place of

Comfrey.   Yes, I do use it from time to time but only after other

alternatives have been exhausted.



Balance



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Subject: Re: Comfrey?

From: stenew@axent.com (Steve Newell)

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 15:52:02 GMT

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In article <32F956BE.176E@netcom.ca>, paulb <paulb@netcom.ca> wrote:

>Boghadair wrote:

>> 

>> Hello All

>> 

>>  I was wondering if anyone out there could help me FIND some Comfrey SEEDS

>> in the city of Toronto, Ont. Canada? I've been looking on and off for the

>> last little while without much luck.

>> 

>> bye the bye

>>             Is it true that if a high amount of Comfrey is used, it can

>> increase the odds of developing cancer?

>> 

>>  Gregory W G Nikitin

>You can get comfrey seeds from Richters, which is near Goodwood (if you 

>E-mail me I can give you directions from Toronto).  We haven't had much

>luck with the seeds from there but they also sell comfrey plants. . .

>Nicky

Boy, some people have all the luck...



I bought a home several years ago that had several LARGE comfrey plants 

growing in various locations throughout the yard.  I tried transplanting them 

to more "convenient" locations (for me, not the plants).  They did fine where 

I had transplanted them, ... but continued growing where I moved them FROM!  

Evidently, I had not gotten all the root, (they are like dandelions, the roots 

go down forever.  In fact, I once speculated that there was only one comfrey 

root in the entire world, and that all plants were from this same root ;-/ ).



I had a devil of a time getting rid of this stuff in the flower beds.  I 

eventually covered the whole flower bed with landscaping cloth, and buried it 

under 5 inches of topsoil.  Worked great for a while.  I drove by the house 

late last summer, (I've since moved), and saw beautiful comfrey plants growing 

in the flowerbeds again.  The only difference was that now they are growing 

right next to the house.  Looks like they couldn't go through, so they went 

around.



Moral: Make sure you really want something before it's too late.



Steve





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Subject: Re: Comfrey?

From: "ANDRE" <apienaar@iafrica.com>

Date: 6 Feb 1997 19:00:13 GMT

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I have not read anywhere that Comfrey will cause cancer, but Penelope

Ody(MNINH) wrote in her book (I do not have the English name for the book)

that there are links to liver cancer in rats. If you look at it from a

different point of view you may find that Comfrey aids cell growth and thus

could support cancer growth if it is already there.



This is my own oppinion. I would suggest that this herb be used sparingly

-- especially if used internally.





apienaar@iafrica.com







Boghadair <boghadair@aol.com> wrote in article

<19970204223901.RAA02008@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> Hello All

> 

>  I was wondering if anyone out there could help me FIND some Comfrey

SEEDS

> in the city of Toronto, Ont. Canada? I've been looking on and off for the

> last little while without much luck.

> 

> bye the bye

>             Is it true that if a high amount of Comfrey is used, it can

> increase the odds of developing cancer?

> 

> 

>  Gregory W G Nikitin

> 





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Subject: Re: Comfrey?

From: htrotter@voyager.net (Jim Tinklenberg)

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 17:51:17 -0400

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In article <01bc145f$51f21700$83121fc4@default>, "ANDRE"

<apienaar@iafrica.com> wrote:



> I have not read anywhere that Comfrey will cause cancer, but Penelope

> Ody(MNINH) wrote in her book (I do not have the English name for the book)

> that there are links to liver cancer in rats. If you look at it from a

> different point of view you may find that Comfrey aids cell growth and thus

> could support cancer growth if it is already there.

> 

> This is my own oppinion. I would suggest that this herb be used sparingly

> -- especially if used internally.



The latest edition of Potter's Cyclopedia actually notes that "aqueous

extracts of comfrey leaves increase the survival times of mice bearing

spontaneous tumors, and decrease tumor growth, and in an Ames teest

produced less mutants than the control" (all referenced in the book).  So

actually comfrey may have some anti-mutagenic properties.



BUT...comfrey probably shouldn't be taken internally long term because of

the presence of hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids that have been

documented on several occasions to lead to lethal veno-occlusive disease

of the liver.  Topically, the agent is quite safe, as these compounds are

not absorbed through the skin in significant quantities.  A number of

brands claim to have low concentrations of these alkaloids as well.



-- 

 Jim Tinklenberg





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Subject: St, John's Wort Oil question

From: Tiko <enorton@mb.sympatico.ca>

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 16:43:51 -0600

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I recently purchased some St. John's Wort Oil for depression.  The

bottle states for occassional use.  Does this mean it cannot be taken

for months at a time?  Is it only to be taken on days of feeling

depressed.  



It also states to avoid alcohol.  Does this mean that taking it daily,

one could not have an occassional beer or glass of wine?



Hope someone has some anwsers.





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Subject: Re: St, John's Wort Oil question

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 7 Feb 1997 07:48:19 GMT

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Tiko <enorton@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>I recently purchased some St. John's Wort Oil for depression.  The

>bottle states for occassional use.  Does this mean it cannot be taken

>for months at a time?  Is it only to be taken on days of feeling

>depressed.  

>

>It also states to avoid alcohol.  Does this mean that taking it daily,

>one could not have an occassional beer or glass of wine?

>

>Hope someone has some anwsers.



I just posted an answer to this same type question a few days ago.  Is my 

ISP broken again?  



I suffered from SAD [seasonal affective disorder] before it had a name.  

I have taken Hypericum almost daily for several winters and 

occassionally throughout the rest of the year.  I drink wine or beer 

whenever I want to, and have not had any problems.  I also go into the 

sun whenever it shines [rarely around here] and have had no problems with 

photosensitivity.



I make my own tincture by picking the flowers daily and 'soaking' them in 

cherry brandy [I like the taste with the brandy better than with vodka] 

for a month or 6 weeks.  By tincturing the flowers [or flowering tops for 

those who are in a hurry] I can utilize the benefits of the whole plant. 

Some of the preparations on the market will try to figure out the 'active 

ingredient' and then make a 'standard preparation' I believe the synergy 

of the whole plant is important.



Not knowing what concoction you have found, it is hard to understand the 

labeling.  When looking at the current laws regarding herbal preparations 

and wondering what the lawmakers will come up with next, I would guess 

that the company is trying to cover themselves on all bases.  Alcohol is 

a depressant.  If you are suffering from depression, it would not be a 

good idea to ingest a depressant.



For more information see the medicinal herbFAQ 

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed



Think of sunny yellow flowers, and know their astringency will pucker you 

up and make you smile.  ;>



Deb

-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Subject: Re: St, John's Wort Oil question

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 19:46:11 GMT

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On Tue, 04 Feb 1997 16:43:51 -0600, Tiko <enorton@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I recently purchased some St. John's Wort Oil for depression.  The

>bottle states for occassional use.  Does this mean it cannot be taken

>for months at a time?  Is it only to be taken on days of feeling

>depressed.  

>

>It also states to avoid alcohol.  Does this mean that taking it daily,

>one could not have an occassional beer or glass of wine?



Strange. Usually you need to take SJW on a steady basis before you see results;

usually also you take the tincture (use the oil externally to heal wounds or

scars with nerve damages), and nothing said about avoiding alcohol.



You might wish to ask the outfit -selling- you the oil what this is about.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Growing Ginkgo

From: "Greger Gimseus" <toz@reincarnate.com>

Date: 4 Feb 1997 22:54:56 GMT

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I need some help on how to grow Ginkgo from seeds,

 or should I say nuts?! they aren't small anyway..

Should I germinate them?

Mail me if you have any info..



	Greger G.







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Subject: Re: Growing Ginkgo

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 5 Feb 1997 06:12:01 -0700

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"Greger Gimseus" <toz@reincarnate.com> wrote:



>I need some help on how to grow Ginkgo from seeds,

> or should I say nuts?! they aren't small anyway..

  Ginko is a TREE!!!! and not a fast grower.  You'd be miles

ahead if you bought a 15-gallon Ginko tree.







Callie



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Subject: [Fwd: Homeopathic treatments for eczema?]

From: yourup <yourup@netdoor.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 17:53:26 -0600

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Message

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Subject: Homeopathic treatments for eczema?

From: yourup <yourup@netdoor.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 17:51:01 -0600

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Does anyone know of any homeopathic treatments for eczema? 

Thanks in advance.



Frank Relle







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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Homeopathic treatments for eczema?]

From: mikeb06@ibm.net (Mike Brady)

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 15:31:27 GMT

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On Tue, 04 Feb 1997 17:53:26 -0600, yourup <yourup@netdoor.com> wrote:



>X-Mozilla-Status: 0001

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>From: yourup <yourup@netdoor.com>

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>Does anyone know of any homeopathic treatments for eczema? 

>Thanks in advance.

>

>Frank Relle

>



I do not have a homeopathic solution to what I know is a miserable

condition, but let me tell you what helped me. The root cause of

eczema is skin dryness, usually made worse by the onset of winter. I

found that soap seemed to be the worst cause agent of dry skin. I had

used dial soap for 20 years only to find that using any of the

commercial bath liquids( oil of olay makes a great one) caused a

marked improvment in my skin. 

I realize that your condition is serious to you but treatment is not

the solution. Stop drying the skin and you will forget you had the

problem. I learned this after several compleately useless trips to the

doctor. 

Hope this helps.



Mike Brady-mikeb06@ibm.net

"As spice is to Dune, information is to the Web;

the spice must flow."

Stolen from The Copyright Page; www.benedict.com





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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Homeopathic treatments for eczema?]

From: daltons@sonic.net (Glenn Dalton)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 10:51:43 GMT

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On Thu, 06 Feb 1997 15:31:27 GMT, mikeb06@ibm.net (Mike Brady) wrote:



>On Tue, 04 Feb 1997 17:53:26 -0600, yourup <yourup@netdoor.com> wrote:

>

>>X-Mozilla-Status: 0001

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>>From: yourup <yourup@netdoor.com>

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>>Does anyone know of any homeopathic treatments for eczema? 

>>Thanks in advance.

>>

>>Frank Relle

>>

Severe Eczema is caused by allergies - a mast cell response in the

skin.  b-vitimins help.  Herbs that support the adrenals like

licorice.  All the "Blood cleansing" Herbs like echinacea and burdock.



I've found the best thing is to avoid soap, hydrate your skin at least

once a day (around 20 minutes in the bath or shower is good). after

our hudrate you need to seal the moisture in with a good lotion.  I

like Curell but Kiss My face is natural and they dont torture bunnies

to make it. (Like asshole Proctor and Gambel  people).  You can also

use oil extracts of things like comfrey and callendula.  Callendula

takes the sting and itch out and comfrey seems to tone and heal the

skin.  Fresh aloe is also very good.  herbs with anti -biotic

proberties ar nice for the skin.  People with elevated IgE (Immuno

globulin E) have a hindered immune response with some bacteria so the

ezcema is compounded by a constatn bactrial irritation.  Most herbs

are either bactero - static or bacteriacidal in some way.



Best of luck!









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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Homeopathic treatments for eczema?]

From: jpando@orion.it.luc.edu (Jenny Pando)

Date: 15 Feb 1997 20:02:54 GMT

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Tincture of valerian applied to the skin with a cotton ball and left to

dry naturally--works wonder for healing scaly skin conditions.  I've used

it on my eczema for a few years now.  Good luck!





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Subject: Re: Herbs good for acne?

From: "Melissa Shaughnessy (ENG)" <mshaughn@chuma.cas.usf.edu>

Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:16:47 -0500

--------

Including the topical suggestions that were given for acne there are

actually internal herbs that will help it.  I used tp have really bad acne

and read up on what I should do and I tried all the medical b.s. that is

out there before I turned to herbs.  Blood purifiying herbs are what saved

me.  Burdock root and red clover are the ones I used but slowly ease into

to taking any kind of root because they are very strong and you want to

get your body used to it.  There are many other boold purifiers but I'm

not sure what they are, if anyone else knows of more that will be helpful

for acne please post them.  Thank you Melissa.

mshaughn@chuma.cas.usf.edu









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Subject: Re: Herbs good for acne?

From: daltons@sonic.net (Glenn Dalton)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 10:53:31 GMT

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On Tue, 4 Feb 1997 19:16:47 -0500, "Melissa Shaughnessy (ENG)"

<mshaughn@chuma.cas.usf.edu> wrote:



>Including the topical suggestions that were given for acne there are

>actually internal herbs that will help it.  I used tp have really bad acne

>and read up on what I should do and I tried all the medical b.s. that is

>out there before I turned to herbs.  Blood purifiying herbs are what saved

>me.  Burdock root and red clover are the ones I used but slowly ease into

>to taking any kind of root because they are very strong and you want to

>get your body used to it.  There are many other boold purifiers but I'm

>not sure what they are, if anyone else knows of more that will be helpful

>for acne please post them.  Thank you Melissa.

>mshaughn@chuma.cas.usf.edu

>

Echinacea is the other big one.  But there are still more... Anyone

else?

>







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Subject: Re: Herbs good for acne?

From: cupowater@aol.com (CupOwater)

Date: 13 Feb 1997 01:56:26 GMT

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try a teaspoon of turmeric powder mixed in a glass of warm water three

times daily





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Subject: Re: Herbs good for acne?

From: nicki@atcon.com

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 04:16:47 GMT

--------

Hi,



Can you please elaborate on what Natural Progesterone is (sounds like

a hormone).  As acne is caused by hormonal imbalances, this sounds

kind of interesting.  Thanks.



Nick





"Melissa Shaughnessy (ENG)" <mshaughn@chuma.cas.usf.edu> wrote:



>Including the topical suggestions that were given for acne there are

>actually internal herbs that will help it.  I used tp have really bad acne

>and read up on what I should do and I tried all the medical b.s. that is

>out there before I turned to herbs.  Blood purifiying herbs are what saved

>me.  Burdock root and red clover are the ones I used but slowly ease into

>to taking any kind of root because they are very strong and you want to

>get your body used to it.  There are many other boold purifiers but I'm

>not sure what they are, if anyone else knows of more that will be helpful

>for acne please post them.  Thank you Melissa.

>mshaughn@chuma.cas.usf.edu













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Subject: Re: Herbs good for acne?

From: midnight@coil.com (E. L. Hamm)

Date: 20 Feb 1997 07:30:53 -0500

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Off-topic, other home remedies that might work for you:

------------------------------------------------------



This isn't an herb, nor is it a medical remedy.  Dampen your face 

before sleeping, apply some Crest toothpaste either as a face masque or 

just on problem spots, and keep it on all night.  It has a delightfully 

tingly feeling, and works decently within 1-2 nights. I heard this about 

4 years ago, it does work, and other people on my floor have used it as a 

face cleanser in the shower or face masque at night.

It's really strange, but it does work!!!



[NOTE: above should be used with mild acne, and does not work on 

whiteheads (due to infections) or blackheads (due to clogged pore such as 

ingrown hair, etc.]



Taking a cotton ball of hydrogen peroxide and carefully cleansing your 

face with it can help.



Be careful about washing your face more than twice a day as it can strip 

your face.  (A few dermatologists I know have recommended Dove soap in 

particular)



Be careful about what you're putting on your face.  For example: 

moisturizers that contain mineral oil (above dermatologists recommended 

Neutrogena products and Clinique oil-free make-up), eye shadow or blush 

that are not matte (i.e. the kinds with sparkles in it) can clog your 

pores, etc.



Increase your intake of water.  Water, as well as exercise, are rumored 

by many to improve skin tone and clarity.



Avoid using rubbing alcohol to clear up acne -- it can actually worsen it 

by drying out the skin, so the skin has to produce more oil.



If I remember correctly, the skin has a 30 day cycle (approximately) 

since we are continually shedding our skins.  Therefore, acne that shows 

up now is the result of the previous month.



Also, if it is serious problem, you may want to consult a good dermatologist.



This is based on things I've found to work, read about, or heard from 

various people (including pharmacists and dermatologists).



      -+ E +-







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Subject: wheatgrass

From: celestial@webtv.net

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 18:31:26 -0600

--------

   Should wheatgrass be used by those who



test positive for wheat allergies? Also,



while on the subject, is wheat beer as



likely to contribute to mild digestive



complaints as more solid, concentrated



wheat products (such as bread containing



wheat bran and wheat gluten, for instance?)







   Suzanne



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbal remedie

From: Mort Wimple <wimple@albany.net>

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 19:43:06 -0500

--------

Any herbal remedies for interstitial cystitis, a relative new disease of 

the bladder? Any help would be appreciated. Very painful. Please e-mail 

at wimple@albany.net



Thanks!





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: chronic middle ear infection

From: csmaka@itis.com (Christopher Smaka)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 02:36:41 GMT

--------

Does anyone have any advice on how to help a six month old with

chronic ear infections.  It is my sister's child and she is at the end

of her proverbial rope as her child has had several ear infections( or

perhaps one recurring) and ehr physician is pushing for tubes.

Although she is not too up on alternative treatments she is willing to

consider anything at this point and has listened to me rave about the

virtue of some alternative perspectives...any help would be greatly

appreciated.  Also does anyone know of any naturopathic physicians in

the washington D.C. area.  Or other good alternative health care

providers in that area that have experience with infants. Thanx mucho









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chronic middle ear infection

From: Pattie and Drew Fulton <fulton@emi.net>

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 23:18:17 -0500

--------

Take a look at this article, which talks about food allergies and

how they relate to ear infections.  Good luck!



http://www.naturallink.com/homepages/zoltan_rona/eartubes/index.html

-- 

Pattie Fulton

fulton@emi.net

West Palm Beach, Florida





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chronic middle ear infection

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 6 Feb 1997 20:11:33 GMT

--------

In article <5d67ps$e5g@bill.itis.com>, csmaka@itis.com (Christopher Smaka)

writes:



>Does anyone have any advice on how to help a six month old with

>chronic ear infections.



Healing Childhood Ear Infections by Dr. Michael Schmidt goes through

allopathic, homeopathic, herbal, and dietary treatments.  An earlier

edition was published under the title: Childhood Ear Infections.  Check

your local library -- either edition is helpful.  



Since NDs aren't licensed in DC, I'd look for an MD associated with the

American Holistic Medical Association or a DO who specializes in children.

 Ask if they do homeopathy or nutritional treatments and where they were

trained.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chronic middle ear infection

From: thefiveabes@sympatico.ca (Cathy Abraham)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 20:33:50 GMT

--------

Does anyone have any advice on how to help a six month old with

>>chronic ear infections.



There are many things to be done to help middle ear infection.  We

were told that our  7 month old daughter, who is now 3, would have to

have tubes because of her chronic ear infections.



We did not do the tubes.



If you are bottle feeding (hopefully you are still on the breast) do

not lie the child down to feed.  Even if breast feeding  try to sith

the child up as much as possible. 



At night, have the cribe propped up the height of a video tape, about

1 1/2 inches.  This is enought to allow drainage of fluid  without

being too much for the kid to sleep.



We also started her on Vitamin C, echinacea, odourless garlic and

liquid calcium.



We used reflexology and aromatherapy as well.



The end result is that we did not have to do the tubes (not that I

would have anyway), because she has only had three or maybe four ear

infections  since then.



E-mail me privately if yo would like more info.  



Cathy

thefiveabes@sympatico.ca









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chronic middle ear infection

From: snapdragn@aol.com (Snapdragn)

Date: 11 Feb 1997 03:51:29 GMT

--------

Ear infections in infants are usually caused from them sucking too hard. 

Can't help you there, but when I get them (not from the afforementioned

reason), I put a few drops of a olive oil, garlic oil and goldenseal

mixture in my ear.  "Michaels" makes a great one.  

-Snap







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chronic middle ear infection

From: "Paul Maser" <paulmaser@msn.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:43:36 -0800

--------

To add a little; I've also read that ear infections appear to be caused by

the same virus as chickenpox. (May be one of the reasons that antibiotics

are ineffective). Another combination that is recommended is camphorated

sweet oil (olive oil and camphor, usually 2 oz. olive oil 1/4 oz. camphor).

Put some on a piece of cotton and leave in the ear overnight for several

nights.



Snapdragn <snapdragn@aol.com> wrote in article

<19970211035100.WAA07281@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> Ear infections in infants are usually caused from them sucking too hard. 

> Can't help you there, but when I get them (not from the afforementioned

> reason), I put a few drops of a olive oil, garlic oil and goldenseal

> mixture in my ear.  "Michaels" makes a great one.  

> -Snap

> 

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.med.nutrition

Subject: Leukemia - Urgent advice needed

From: lists.jrh@dial.pipex.com (Josiah Hincks)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 10:46:12 GMT

--------

Hi 



My father was diagnosed with Leukemia (myeloid) recently. He opted to

start a course of chemotherapy last week.



He's 79. Not surprisingly, he is weak and depressed.



Are there any supplements, minerals, vitamins, herbs, dietary advice

that would be helpful for me to know more about / discuss with my dad

/ doctors?



Any help much appreciated.



Josiah.





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To: Josiah Hincks <lists.jrh@dial.pipex.com>

Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: Leukemia - Urgent advice needed

From: 6robys <6robys@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 19:59:08 -0500

--------

The following links might help you:



http://Walden.MVP.Net/~lackritz/



http://walden.mo.net/~lackritz/hemonc.html



-- 

<>< ~ <>< ~ <>< ~ <>< ~ <>< ~ <>< ~ <>< ~ <>< ~ <>< ~ <>< ~ <>< ~ <><

Alan & Susan Roby                    http://www.concentric.net/~robys

6robys@worldnet.att.net





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chinese Herbs

From: newcole@magna.com.au (Evan Cole and Jan Newby)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 13:51:58 GMT

--------

Does anyone know of a really good website about chinese herbs?  Please

can you let me know? Thanks Jan.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chinese Herbs

From: "Paul Maser" <paulmaser@msn.com>

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 13:36:33 -0800

--------

Hit one of the search engines and try "Chinese herb"



http://www.hotbot.com is a good one.



Paul



Evan Cole and Jan Newby <newcole@magna.com.au> wrote in article

<5d9shk$p80@news.magna.com.au>...

> Does anyone know of a really good website about chinese herbs?  Please

> can you let me know? Thanks Jan.

> 

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chinese Herbs

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard Renaud)

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 02:41:14 GMT

--------

newcole@magna.com.au (Evan Cole and Jan Newby) wrote:



>Does anyone know of a really good website about chinese herbs?  Please

>can you let me know? Thanks Jan.



Hi Jan,



Take a look at www.acupuncture.com 



I hope this helps,



Richard Renaud







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs to aid liver?

From: newcole@magna.com.au (Evan Cole and Jan Newby)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 13:52:15 GMT

--------

healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) wrote>In article

<54r0k4$kq6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>,



Where can I access information about studies of dandelion and

milkthistle?  Jan Newby

>jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz) writes

>> I'm pretty sure this one (milk thistle) has 

>>scientific studies to back it up



>Several in fact.  It's extensively written up in Herbal Drugs &

>Phytopharmaceuticals (check the FAQs) and mentioned in most modern

>herbals.  The active ingrediant is silymarin.  When buying the powdered or

>pil form, check for standardized extract of silymarin (80%) for the best

>effect.



>Regards,

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

>e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

>http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Does Echinacea Work?

From: newcole@magna.com.au (Evan Cole and Jan Newby)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 13:52:22 GMT

--------

Jmax <jmax@clarityconnect.com> wrote:



>HI!

Yes it has for me.  I have had chronic fatigue syndrome and as an

aftermath, get lots of colds and flus.  This winter I have been taking

Echinacea tincture and have had only 2 episodes of flu.

>   I am a student doing a survey posing the question does Echinacea

>work? If it does for you, how? If it doesn't, why ? Your response will

>be appreciated.



>                       Thanks,

>                             J Max









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Does Echinacea Work?

From: ccjs@cse.bris.ac.uk (J. G. Simpson)

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:42:55 GMT

--------

Yes, works for me, had a gum abcess on one side and lost tooth,

in spite of antibiotics.  Cured it for about 2 weeks, abcess came

back, tooth had to go.



It's opposite number on the other side went painful, squishy and

foul tasting.  Out of desperation tried Echinacea, cleared it up

in a few days, had to repeat the treatment about 6 mths later. 

Still have tooth some 10 years on.



Subsequently found Echinacea beats antibiotics hands down for

colds etc.  Most bugs nowdays seem immune to the common antibiotics,

but not to Echinacea.   Am now growing my own, so that I get it

fresh.

-- 

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



-------------





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Does Echinacea Work?

From: UZEQ43A@prodigy.com (John Taylor)

Date: 10 Feb 1997 01:18:56 GMT

--------

Yes, it has definitley worked for me..



newcole@magna.com.au (Evan Cole and Jan Newby) wrote:

>

>Jmax <jmax@clarityconnect.com> wrote:

>

>>HI!

>Yes it has for me.  I have had chronic fatigue syndrome and as an

>aftermath, get lots of colds and flus.  This winter I have been taking

>Echinacea tincture and have had only 2 episodes of flu.

>>   I am a student doing a survey posing the question does Echinacea

>>work? If it does for you, how? If it doesn't, why ? Your response will

>>be appreciated.

>

>>                       Thanks,

>>                             J Max

>

>







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Does Echinacea Work?

From: rawles@oro.net (James W. Rawles)

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:32:49 -0800

--------

I cured my dairy goat of mastitis with echinacea.  She had an elevated

temp., hard hot lumpy udder on one side, little milk on that side, and the

milk was clotted.

I sprinked a teaspoon of powered echinacea on her grain twice daily.  She

was completely well in a week.



 Linda Rawles, Independent Distributor

 Dorling Kindersley Books          

    rawles@oro.net

Let me know if you would like information about

direct selling award winning books, videos, and

CD-ROMS to individuals, schools, and libraries.

Flexibility, full or part time, high income potential.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs needed to help in reducing/curing cancer

From: bam@plainfield.bypass.com (Annika McCann)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 09:38:59 -0500

--------

Susun Weed has a new book out about herbs and breast cancer called "Breast

Cancer, Breast Health".



-- 



-Annika

 bam@plainfield.bypass.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Miscarriages (to prevent) ??

From: bam@plainfield.bypass.com (Annika McCann)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 09:46:10 -0500

--------

In article <19970127074801.CAA19358@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

sylphiana@aol.com (Sylphiana) wrote:



> I was wondering what herbs are out there to prevent miscarriages?

> 



   Black Haw (Viburnum prunifolium) is my favorite for preventing

miscarriage. It can be used in large doses for signs of impending

miscarriage, or can be taken in smaller doses throughout early pregnancy

if there has been a history of repeated miscarriage. Wild Yam (Dioscorea)

is also a good one. 

   As for herbs to avoid, there are too many for me to try to remember

here. I recommend that you get a book that would list them, such as Susun

Weed's "The Wise Woman Herbal for the Ch8ildbearing Year" (the title is

something like that).



-- 



-Annika

 bam@plainfield.bypass.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: People wanted for folklore radio talkshow

From: talk@waleradio.com (Promotions at WALE Radio)

Date: 5 Feb 1997 16:01:08 GMT

--------

People wanted for folklore radio talkshow to discuss curative herbs and

other issues. Schedule to be determined. Send e-mail to talk@waleradio.com

with your phone number, or call the station at 401/ 521-0990 for further

information and scheduling info.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chemical Analysis of Plants - Books

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 5 Feb 1997 19:05:44 GMT

--------

Somebody asked about texts concerning the chemical breakdown of plants and

how to identify them.  I have, of course, lost the original post, but I

just got some flyers about titles from CRC Press that seems to answer this

question.



New titles include:

Methods of Genome Analysis of Plants

Plant Tissue  Culture Concepts & Laboratory Exercises

Plant Chromosomes: Laboratory Methods

Methods In Plant Biochemistry & Molecular Biology



You can find out more about these at CRC's web page:

http:// www.crcpress.com



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chemical Analysis of Plants - Books

From: coltremb@rsvs.ulaval.ca (Colette Tremblay)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 15:30:31 -0500

--------

In article <19970205190500.OAA22958@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

healingpgs@aol.com wrote:



> Somebody asked about texts concerning the chemical breakdown of plants and

> how to identify them.  I have, of course, lost the original post, but I

> just got some flyers about titles from CRC Press that seems to answer this

> question.

> 

> New titles include:

> Methods of Genome Analysis of Plants

> Plant Tissue  Culture Concepts & Laboratory Exercises

> Plant Chromosomes: Laboratory Methods

> Methods In Plant Biochemistry & Molecular Biology

> 

> You can find out more about these at CRC's web page:

> http:// www.crcpress.com

> 

> Regards,

> Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

> e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

> http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



I am sorry to dissent, but I work in plant molecular biology and I doubt

that any of these book would answer your questions. Maybe the last one on

the list could give some biochemical analysis methods, but probably not

related to medicinal substances. 

In any case, a look at the CRC press site may give other clues since I

remember having seen from past advertizing that they have books more

related to phytochemistry and ethnobotany.

Good luck.

-- 

Colette Tremblay

Quebec QC Canada

Zone 4b





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Buchu

From: jpgreen@aztec.co.za (Johan Groenewald)

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 19:51:48 GMT

--------

Hi



A relative of mine produces buchu on his farm in South Africa. He is

interested in export opportunities.



Regards



Johan Groenewald

jpgreen@aztec.co.za





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help Finding Chromium Picolinate

From: pmcavoy@cyberspc.mb.ca (M. McAvoy)

Date: 5 Feb 1997 20:05:33 GMT

--------



Hello.



I live in Canada, and when looking for chromium picolinate I was told it was 

taken off the market (for what reasons I'm not sure)...  



I am *very* interested in buying chromium picolinate and would like to know 

if anyone out there knows of a place in the US that would mail it up to me.

(I tried phoning a GNC store, but they won't mail it.)  



I have come across a few web sites that are selling special mixtures of 

chrom. pic. with other thermenogenic (sp) herbs... but I don't want that. I 

only want c.p., plain and simple.   



If anyone could inform me of a place that would mail it to me I would 

appreciate it very much.

PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS POST BY EMAIL AT THE FOLLOWING ADDRESS:

mmcavoy@hotmail.com



Thank you.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help Finding Chromium Picolinate

From: shannon@som-uky.campus.mci.net (shannon wagoner)

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 11:32:13 GMT

--------

On 5 Feb 1997 20:05:33 GMT ( pmcavoy@cyberspc.mb.ca (M. McAvoy) )

wrote:

>

>Hello.

>

>I live in Canada, and when looking for chromium picolinate I was told it was 

>taken off the market (for what reasons I'm not sure)...  

>

wal mart carries it, maybe it was pulled because as far as i can tell,

it does not do a thing.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help Finding Chromium Picolinate

From: thymetoo@direct.ca

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:53:40 -0700

--------

shannon wagoner wrote:



Chromium... as far as i can tell,

> it does not do a thing.



Dr. Robert M. Giller, in his book Medical Makeover, says that the

mineral "Chromium is the supplement you'll be taking to help control the

highs and lows of blood sugar that make you feel tired and irritated."

It helps one to overcome the craving for sugar.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Oxy-rich products\oxygen supplementation

From: "MW" <mwhite@america.net>

Date: 5 Feb 1997 22:19:51 GMT

--------

Does any one have any thoughts on the concept of battling

anaerobic bacteria/viri by supplementing oxygen into

food/drink?  I heard about this concept in a Dr.Joel

Wallach tape (the dead doctors don't lie Dr. Wallach).  It

recomends adding food grade hydrogen peroxide to aloe-vera

juice & drinking 1 oz. per 100lbs. body weight daily. 

They also sell a pre-mixed Oxy-toddy product as a daily

tonic.  Any one know where to purchase food grade hydrogen

peroxide?



Thanks,



Matt





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oxy-rich products\oxygen supplementation

From: dlawson@agt.net (Dawn Lawson)

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 15:01:08

--------

In article <01bc13b2$add2a1a0$1ceb71ce@clone> "MW" <mwhite@america.net> writes:



>Does any one have any thoughts on the concept of battling

>anaerobic bacteria/viri by supplementing oxygen into

>food/drink?  I heard about this concept in a Dr.Joel

>Wallach tape (the dead doctors don't lie Dr. Wallach).  It

>recomends adding food grade hydrogen peroxide to aloe-vera

>juice & drinking 1 oz. per 100lbs. body weight daily. 

>They also sell a pre-mixed Oxy-toddy product as a daily

>tonic.  Any one know where to purchase food grade hydrogen

>peroxide?



>Thanks,



>Matt



I have heard of this in several places, but I can't see the logic of it.  

Hydrogen peroxide is very unstable, and breaks down easily to water and oxygen 

due to such things as rough handling.  To my way of 

looking at this, the chances of any extra oxygen entering the body is minimal 

at best, and if you did swallow hydrogen peroxide before it broke down, the 

added gas in the stomach woudl surely result in a burp, like taking bicarb 

soda, which releases carbon dioxide.



Also, 35% hydrogen peroxide is an oxidizer, and in lab settings has many 

warnings on it regarding handling.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: kinesiologist

From: "MW" <mwhite@america.net>

Date: 5 Feb 1997 22:41:21 GMT

--------

Hi folks!



Please pardon my ignorance, but could some one please tell

me what a 'kinesiologist' is?



Thanks in advance,



Matt



BTW....have really enjoyed the group!





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Diarrhea,What Herbs can Help?

From: cabin2@ix.netcom.com(Melissa L. Norman)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 01:39:11 GMT

--------





    What herbs are best for treating diarrhea in adults?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Diarrhea,What Herbs can Help?

From: ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 02:37:37 GMT

--------

Agrimony (Agrimonia spp.) works well as a tincture.  Add some chamomile,

marshmallow root, or even mint to sooth the stomach inflammation.  Stay

away from milk products, fresh fruits.  Do consume starches.  If the

condition continues for more than a few days you may have a bacterial

infection, in which case A. Pilosa is the variety you should use as it is

antibacterial.  





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Diarrhea,What Herbs can Help?

From: daltons@sonic.net (Glenn Dalton)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 11:43:45 GMT

--------

On 6 Feb 1997 02:37:37 GMT, ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC) wrote:



>Agrimony (Agrimonia spp.) works well as a tincture.  Add some chamomile,

>marshmallow root, or even mint to sooth the stomach inflammation.  Stay

>away from milk products, fresh fruits.  Do consume starches.  If the

>condition continues for more than a few days you may have a bacterial

>infection, in which case A. Pilosa is the variety you should use as it is

>antibacterial.  



Get yourself some bentonite clay.  Put it in some water and drink it.

The little colloidal particles adhear to both bacteria AND viruses.

Its LONG been used for "sour stomach" and disentry.  Unfortunately it

binds to anything else you put in your stomach so other herbs probably

wouldent help if you ingested them with the bentonite clay.



good luck







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Diarrhea,What Herbs can Help?

From: Laura <LLBear@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 09:20:51 -0800

--------

If there is no medical attention required....you might try blackberry

leaf tee. Works great.

Laura





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Diarrhea,What Herbs can Help?

From: cheezease@aol.com (CheezEase)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 19:55:19 GMT

--------

(Dont be offended,) Opiates work very well.

While not a true opiate, I think that California Poppy might help.

Also, if you just have an upset stomach, I have noticed that Licorice Root

can also help.

-Rev. MeO





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Diarrhea,What Herbs can Help?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 03:00:57 GMT

--------

cabin2@ix.netcom.com(Melissa L. Norman) wrote:



>    What herbs are best for treating diarrhea in adults?



If it bacterial, turmeric and fennel seeds.  Take one teaspoon

turmeric powder and 2 teaspoons fennel seeds initially, then

1/2 teapsoon of each twice per day for a few days or longer.

Use more fennel seeds if the turmeric causes any problems,

like burping or indigestion.



turf







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Strep Throat

From: Diane Greene <greened@ucs.orst.edu>

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:08:50 -0800

--------





On Fri, 31 Jan 1997, Robin Brown wrote:

> 

> then you will get scarlet fever.  How much clearer could I have been?

> Robin



I have had strep on  more than one occasion without getting scarlet fever.

I drank a gallon or more of orange juice each day and stayed in a warm bed.

It was expensive but perhaps the same price as antibiotics.

I also picked up my perscription of antibiotics and kept it on hand just 

in case I didnt start getting better within 24 hours. 

The plan was to catch up on the 1 day dose if I was not better in time 

but it never got to that.

Of course it is a dangerous risk if one is not fully concious of the 

sickness long before it gets serious

If I have a combination of sore throat, headache and fever (any two)

I immediatly begin this regimen now. I dont wait for a doctors confirmation.

If I dont improve in 24 hours I will see a doctor and get antibiotics.

It hasnt gotten to that in many years, and I work in public, so I know I 

am constantly exposed.

pd





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Milk Thistle at a good price (in bulk?)

From: zito@west.net (Charles Zito)

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 04:46:35 GMT

--------

I lost the postings I saved re Milk Thistle available in bulk or at good 

prices from catalog sources.  Any help is appreciated.



Charlie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herb farm listing

From: uscparent@aol.com (Uscparent)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 04:50:08 GMT

--------

looking for source for listing of herb farms in california.  would like to

visit  any & all herb farms on out travels throughout the state.  thanks

for any help.

jeanne 

usc parent







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herb farm listing

From: "Lynn Suda" <lynn@siriusacct.com>

Date: 6 Feb 1997 16:02:57 GMT

--------

Check out http://www.herbnet.com   I'm not sure what it's under, but it's

there.



Lynn



Uscparent <uscparent@aol.com> wrote in article

<19970206045001.XAA18754@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> looking for source for listing of herb farms in california.  would like

to

> visit  any & all herb farms on out travels throughout the state.  thanks

> for any help.

> jeanne 

> usc parent

> 

> 





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Subject: Remedies for nearsightedness?

From: bensonc@unixg.ubc.ca (Benson Chin)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 06:35:17 GMT

--------



Hello,

	I've been wearing eyeglasses since I was 15 years old (I'm now 

21), and just wanted to know if there are any herbal remedies, eye 

exercisers, or aparatuses, that have been clinically proven to help improve 

vision.  My prescription has been changing drastically in the last 3 or 4 

years.  I've been trying a vision support supplement that has bilberry, 

ginkgo biloba, lutein, and multi anthocyanidins, but really question its 

effictiveness for helping my nearsightedness.  Any suggestions?  Please 

e-mail me with suggestions.



Benson





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Migraines

From: Kelly Harrell <kelharrell@centuryinter.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 02:13:12 -0500

--------

A friend wanted me to see if anyone could recommend an herb or herbs

that might help her migraine headaches. She has them very infrequently,

but when she has one, it lasts for days.



Thanks!



Kelly Harrell





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To: Kelly Harrell <kelharrell@centuryinter.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraines

From: amateo <mehill@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>

Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 21:23:42 -0700

--------



	Try smoking marijuana.  As vulgar as this "street drug" may come

across to the unindoctrinated, it is an amazing herb. Just look how many

doctors are prescribing it in California and Arizona.



matt hill

boulder, co

usa







> A friend wanted me to see if anyone could recommend an herb or herbs

> that might help her migraine headaches. She has them very infrequently,

> but when she has one, it lasts for days.

> 

> Thanks!

> 

> Kelly Harrell

> 

> 







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraines

From: gdes5@aol.com

Date: 13 Feb 1997 12:59:21 GMT

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Feverfew  helps many migraines suffers.  You can find it in health food stores in capsules or use it fresh from the plants.  When eaten fresh, you only need a couple of leaves.  It is very bitter to taste. Legal too :>





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraines

From: Lynn Voedisch <voedisch@suntimes.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:26:02 -0800

--------

Since I have chronic migraines, I feel qualified to add that feverfew 

doesn't exactly knock out migraines. In my experience, it only lessens 

the number of attacks. It's not a cure all by any stretch of the 

imagination--but something to at least add to the daily diet.

   Lynn

> 

> Feverfew  helps many migraines suffers.  You can find it in health food stores in capsules or use it fresh from the plants.  When eaten fresh, 

you only need a





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Migraines

From: Little Sheba <lilsheba@teleport.com>

Date: 16 Feb 1997 04:35:16 GMT

--------

gdes5@aol.com wrote:

: Feverfew  helps many migraines suffers.  You can find it in health food 

stores in capsules or use it fresh from the plants.  When eaten fresh, you 

only need a couple of leaves.  It is very bitter to taste. Legal too :>



Take two feverfew capsules, and two ginger capsules with warm water.  That

precise combo is the way to fix migraines.



-- 

Check these out!

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Subject: Re: Migraines

From: cakes <mayernik@superlink.net>

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 01:24:49 -0500

--------

To bad the shits illegal.  But I also agree that it releaves migraines









amateo wrote:

> 

>         Try smoking marijuana.  As vulgar as this "street drug" may come

> across to the unindoctrinated, it is an amazing herb. Just look how many

> doctors are prescribing it in California and Arizona.

> 

> matt hill

> boulder, co

> usa

> 

> > A friend wanted me to see if anyone could recommend an herb or herbs

> > that might help her migraine headaches. She has them very infrequently,

> > but when she has one, it lasts for days.

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Kelly Harrell

> >

> >





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Best crop to grow?

From: "Garry Boyd" <metco@actrix.gen.nz>

Date: 6 Feb 1997 09:07:18 GMT

--------

My wife and I have a half acre property and would like to grow medicinal

herbs for sale to herbalists and homeopaths. Most medicinal herbs are

currently imported  into New Zealand, and only culinary herbs are grown

sufficient to meet local demand. If anyone has any ideas on productive

crops we would love to hear from you.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Best crop to grow?

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 13:42:52 GMT

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For folks wanting to grow herbs to sell, get this wonderful little book!



Herbs for Sale (Growing and Marketing Herbs, Herbal Products, and Herbal

Know-How). It is by Lee Sturdivant.

Published by:

San Juan Naturals

O Box 642

Friday Harbor, WA 98250



I only paid $14.95 for mine and it is excellent.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Best crop to grow?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 07:30:03 -0700

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"Garry Boyd" <metco@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:



>My wife and I have a half acre property and would like to grow medicinal

>herbs for sale to herbalists and homeopaths. Most medicinal herbs are

>currently imported  into New Zealand, and only culinary herbs are grown

>sufficient to meet local demand. If anyone has any ideas on productive

>crops we would love to hear from you.

What's the climate and soil like where you are?  that is the

important limit factor.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | http://www.writepage.com

(the real place to e-mail)| Genre Fiction Publicity

spambait -- postmaster@127.0.0.1

                 abuse@127.0.0.1

               support@127.0.0.1









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Subject: Needed:  Herbs to avoid during pregnancy

From: boomershine.8@osu.edu (Sheila Boomershine)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 13:00:40 GMT

--------

Help!

     I know I've seen a list floating around, but I didn't save it.  Of

course, now that I need it, I don't have it!

     If anyone has this list, would you please post again.



Thanks





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Subject: Re: Needed:  Herbs to avoid during pregnancy

From: J&K <jbrim@prysm.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 15:11:48 -0600

--------

Sheila Boomershine wrote:

> 

> Help!

>      I know I've seen a list floating around, but I didn't save it.  Of

> course, now that I need it, I don't have it!

>      If anyone has this list, would you please post again.

> 

> Thanks



All these are supposed to be bad for pregnancy:



Licorice Root * Yarrow * Calamus * Wormwood * Barberry 



Cayenne * Celandine * Male Fem * Ephedra * Fennel 



Licorice * Goldenseal * Juniper * Lavender * Flaxseed 



Pennyroyal (a *strong* uterine stimulant!!!) * Passion Flower * Poke

Root * Mayapple 



Wild Cherry * Cascara Sagrada * Rhubarb * Sage * Bloodroot 



Tansy * Thyme * Periwinkle * Mistletoe 



This information was obtained from the web page at:



http://www.primenet.com/~bci/oldherbs.html



Another herb that I have been told is very dangerous is rosemary.



Hope you find this helpful!



Karen







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Subject: Re: Needed:  Herbs to avoid during pregnancy

From: Lynn Voedisch <voedisch@suntimes.com>

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 11:50:22 -0800

--------

Hi:

   I really appreciate your posting this list. 

   I was wondering if anyone knew if kava kava or valerian are bad during 

pregnancy. A package of Kava Kava that I have says to consult your doctor during 

pregnancy--but that's pretty useless info. In my experience, doctors don't seen to 

know anything about herbs.

   Does anyone have any ideas as to what might be bad about small amounts of kava 

kava? Or valerian? And if they are damaging, why?

  Lynn

> >

> > Thanks

> 

> All these are supposed to be bad for pregnancy:

> 

> Licorice Root * Yarrow * Calamus * Wormwood * Barberry

> 

> Cayenne * Celandine * Male Fem * Ephedra * Fennel

> 

> Licorice * Goldenseal * Juniper * Lavender * Flaxseed

> 

> Pennyroyal (a *strong* uterine stimulant!!!) * Passion Flower * Poke

> Root * Mayapple

> 

> Wild Cherry * Cascara Sagrada * Rhubarb * Sage * Bloodroot

> 

> Tansy * Thyme * Periwinkle * Mistletoe

> 

> This information was obtained from the web page at:

> 

> http://www.primenet.com/~bci/oldherbs.html

> 

> Another herb that I have been told is very dangerous is rosemary.

> 

> Hope you find this helpful!

> 

> Karen





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Subject: Re: Needed:  Herbs to avoid during pregnancy

From: htrotter@voyager.net (Jim Tinklenberg)

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 00:43:59 -0400

--------

In article <32FB877E.14C@suntimes.com>, Lynn Voedisch

<voedisch@suntimes.com> wrote:



> Hi:

>    I really appreciate your posting this list. 

>    I was wondering if anyone knew if kava kava or valerian are bad during 

> pregnancy. A package of Kava Kava that I have says to consult your

doctor during 

> pregnancy--but that's pretty useless info. In my experience, doctors

don't seen to 

> know anything about herbs.

>    Does anyone have any ideas as to what might be bad about small

amounts of kava 

> kava? Or valerian? And if they are damaging, why?



The German Commission E monograph warns against the use of Kava-kava in

pregnancy and lactation because it is a CNS stimulant.  There are no

contraindications to the use of Valerian in pregancy or lactation that I'm

aware of.



-- 

 Jim Tinklenberg





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Needed:  Herbs to avoid during pregnancy

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:22:11 +0000

--------

In article <htrotter-0902970043590001@pm042-06.dialip.mich.net>, Jim

Tinklenberg <htrotter@voyager.net> writes

>In article <32FB877E.14C@suntimes.com>, Lynn Voedisch

><voedisch@suntimes.com> wrote:

>

>> Hi:

>>    I really appreciate your posting this list. 

>>    I was wondering if anyone knew if kava kava or valerian are bad during 

>> pregnancy. A package of Kava Kava that I have says to consult your

>doctor during 

>> pregnancy--but that's pretty useless info. In my experience, doctors

>don't seen to 

>> know anything about herbs.

>>    Does anyone have any ideas as to what might be bad about small

>amounts of kava 

>> kava? Or valerian? And if they are damaging, why?

>

>The German Commission E monograph warns against the use of Kava-kava in

>pregnancy and lactation because it is a CNS stimulant.  There are no

>contraindications to the use of Valerian in pregancy or lactation that I'm

>aware of.

>



Using herbs during pregnancy can be chancy. One of the few that I

recomend is Raspberry leaf tea, and that only to be taken late in the

pregnancy 

I would rather not take the risk with a growing fetus, some of the most

usefull herbs normaly such as sage can cause miscarriges. 

Valerian is not a safe herb during pregnancy. its a low level abortive

herb. but with a chancy pregnancy valerian might start a miscarriage.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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Subject: Re: Needed:  Herbs to avoid during pregnancy

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 19:45:51 GMT

--------

On 6 Feb 1997 13:00:40 GMT, boomershine.8@osu.edu (Sheila Boomershine) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Help!

>     I know I've seen a list floating around, but I didn't save it.  Of

>course, now that I need it, I don't have it!

>     If anyone has this list, would you please post again.



Check Michael Moore's website for the Herbal-Medical Contraindications -file,

under Manuals. In this file you'll find excellent info on which herbs to avoid

during pregnancy, and why.



If you don't have WWW it's also available in my FTP space. (I mirror his site

because it's easier to download the -loads- of stuff he has available via FTP:

one command per directory, 'get *', instead of the save-ok-ok / save-ok-ok /

save-ok-ok -routine that's necessary over the web.)



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: YAGE? Passion Flower + Acacia???

From: cheezease@aol.com (CheezEase)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 19:48:05 GMT

--------

Last night I took approx. 60 drops (the recommended amount) of a tincture

made up of Passion Flower, Skullcap, Kava Kava, Hops and other sleepy

herbs.

I hadn't eaten anything until yesterday morning, so my stomach was quite

empty when I took the tincture, with rootbeer.

About 20 minutes after taking it, I got tired, then I woke up suddenly. 

My heart was beating very hard, and thoughts and dreams were flying though

my head so fast I could not sleep.  I got very restless about 40 minutes

afterwards, and I had some sort of trip.  I had a terrible stomach ache

and I felt like I was gonna vomit.  Everything looked very odd and I could

hardly keep my eyes open.

The trouble being that if I closed my eyes, the maddness of dreaming was

thrust at me.  I had to FORCE myself to keep my eyes open, and about 1 1/2

hours after it started, I was just sleepy and feeling odd.  I was able to

finally close my eyes, and sleep.

I was worried that I had accidentally taken some kind of Ayahuasca

Analogue.  You see, the main ingredient of the tincture was Passion Flower

(a MAOI), and one of the ingredients in the rootbeer was acacia

(unspecified type, however acacia species have varying amounts of DMT and

5-MeO DMT.)

My feelings of vomiting and stomach pains led me to think I may have

ingested some kind of new Yage.

If you know, did I experience some kind of mild Yage thing, or did I just

feel crappy from taking the tincture on an empty stomach.

One more thing...this experience was not mild, but if it was a Yage

moment, I imagine it must be mild.  Being an unexpected trip, I was

freaking out.  Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

-Michael/Rev. MeO





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: YAGE? Passion Flower + Acacia???

From: sdrs@aol.com (SDRS)

Date: 15 Feb 1997 06:58:21 GMT

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You took it with root beer? ...



Bob Lowe





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alfalfa

From: pam208@aol.com (PAM208)

Date: 6 Feb 1997 20:41:18 GMT

--------

Someone told me that alfalfa can be taken to help chronic sinus

infections.  Does anyone have any information on this and if so how much

do you take and is there any side effects.  I am desperate, I have been

sick all winter and I have no faith in antibiotics or over the counter

meds anymore.  Thank-you very much!





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alfalfa

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 7 Feb 1997 21:07:26 GMT

--------

In article <19970206204101.PAA17092@ladder01.news.aol.com>, pam208@aol.com

(PAM208) writes:



>Someone told me that alfalfa can be taken to help chronic sinus

>infections. 



I haven't come across that one before.  According to the Encyclopedia of

Medicinal Plants, it is used as a food products for convalescents because

of easily assimiliated nutrients.



The botanicals most commonly listed for chornic sinusitis are garlic,

echinacea, and goldenseal.  Both echinacea and goldenseal should only be

taken for short periods of time, and if you have ragweed allergies, avoid

the goldenseal.  There's also been some contraindications for pregnant

women, children, etc. -- so read up on goldenseal before taking it.



The best book out there on this topic is Sinus Survival by Robert Ivker,

DO, who goes over all the allopathic and naturopathic treatments.  It's

gone through numerous reprintings and editions, so your library or local

health food store should have a copy.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: Re: Alfalfa

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:22:33 +0000

--------

In article <19970207210701.QAA10666@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

healingpgs@aol.com writes 

I have found a mixture of Alfalfa, and yeast tablets, to be very usefull

for people who have irritable bowel symptoms. myself included. 

the tablets take about 2 weeks to realy kick in , and the yeast can at

first give you wind, but that soon passes. 

Yeast also helps depression 

and I have found that both are an aid to those on a diet.

>In article <19970206204101.PAA17092@ladder01.news.aol.com>, pam208@aol.com

>(PAM208) writes:

>

>>Someone told me that alfalfa can be taken to help chronic sinus

>>infections. 

>

>I haven't come across that one before.  According to the Encyclopedia of

>Medicinal Plants, it is used as a food products for convalescents because

>of easily assimiliated nutrients.

>

>The botanicals most commonly listed for chornic sinusitis are garlic,

>echinacea, and goldenseal.  Both echinacea and goldenseal should only be

>taken for short periods of time, and if you have ragweed allergies, avoid

>the goldenseal.  There's also been some contraindications for pregnant

>women, children, etc. -- so read up on goldenseal before taking it.

>

>The best book out there on this topic is Sinus Survival by Robert Ivker,

>DO, who goes over all the allopathic and naturopathic treatments.  It's

>gone through numerous reprintings and editions, so your library or local

>health food store should have a copy.

>

>Regards,

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

>e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

>http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alfalfa

From: sjahner@sojourn.com (Stephen Jahner)

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 97 15:36:59 GMT

--------

In article <ocZozQC5hhAzEwAe@oldcity.demon.co.uk>,

   Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <19970207210701.QAA10666@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

>healingpgs@aol.com writes 

>I have found a mixture of Alfalfa, and yeast tablets, to be very usefull

>for people who have irritable bowel symptoms. myself included. 

>the tablets take about 2 weeks to realy kick in , and the yeast can at

>first give you wind, but that soon passes. 

>Yeast also helps depression 

>and I have found that both are an aid to those on a diet.

>>In article <19970206204101.PAA17092@ladder01.news.aol.com>, pam208@aol.com

>>(PAM208) writes:

>>

>>>Someone told me that alfalfa can be taken to help chronic sinus

>>>infections. 

>>

>>I haven't come across that one before.  According to the Encyclopedia of

>>Medicinal Plants, it is used as a food products for convalescents because

>>of easily assimiliated nutrients.

>>

>>The botanicals most commonly listed for chornic sinusitis are garlic,

>>echinacea, and goldenseal.  Both echinacea and goldenseal should only be

>>taken for short periods of time, and if you have ragweed allergies, avoid

>>the goldenseal.  There's also been some contraindications for pregnant

>>women, children, etc. -- so read up on goldenseal before taking it.

>>

>>The best book out there on this topic is Sinus Survival by Robert Ivker,

>>DO, who goes over all the allopathic and naturopathic treatments.  It's

>>gone through numerous reprintings and editions, so your library or local

>>health food store should have a copy.

>>

>>Regards,

>>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

>>e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

>>http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

>

Shez!

   Nice to 'see' you!What kind of yeast,brewer's?

BTW, how are things on our other ng? I haven't been able to access it,silly 

server is out of whack.If you want e-mail me and fill me in on the latest.

Mithuma





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: REQ: recommendations on naturopaths in T.O.

From: cullock@yorku.ca (Chris Ullock)

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 21:35:22 GMT

--------

I am wondering if anyone out there can recommend a naturopath in the

Toronto area that they were really impressed with.  I am particuarly

interested in someone who specializes in gastro-intestinal orders such

as crohn's, colitis, irritable bowel syndrome, etc.



responding by email would be preferable since I don't routinely

monitor this newsgroup.



thanks in advance.



Chris





cullock@yorku.ca

416-964-9517





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. John's Wort Side Effects  CITATIONS PLEASE?

From: coyote <coyote-1@swbell.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:11:11 -0600

--------



> Thing is, STJ should not give you headaches, nor any other MAOI side

effects,

> nor should it give you photosensitivity, if it is taken on its own.

> (The MAOI explanation to why hypericum works as an anti-depressant has

been

> refuted elsewhere in this thread so I'll let it rest).



This is an error. While it is potentially an unwanted side effect the

dosage of a tinctured herb normally employed as a theraputic will

require such a large dosage that one will findk themselves quite

intoxicated prior to ingestion of a sufficient dosage to induce either

headache or photosensitivity.



There aire also some individuals who through the content of their diet

are more prone to demonstration of these above mentioned side effects.



> If you mix it with allopathic drugs, you're on your own; it tends to

work in

> tandem with these to produce at least photosensitivity of the skin (in

sensitive

> individuals), and, from above, evidently also MAOI effects.



If you intend to use ANY alternative medications I cannot encourage you

strongly enough to consult with your establishment medical professional

PRIOR to initiation of such therapy.



> Next, seems that nowadays the guys in lab coats can extract a very

pure

> hypericin from St.John's wort, and they checked how effective this

very pure

> stuff is; and found out it has no an anti-depressant effect at all.



A lab coat isn't a necessity in such an extraction. If you have a few

basic tools and a reasonable proficiency in laboratory procedures you

too can make similar extractions/syntheses.



> So take the herb, not the constituent. And if you experience side

effects while

> also on allopathic drugs, discontinue.



GOOD ADVICE! But, the herbal preparation may be renewed after a period

of 3-5 days, consultation with your herbalist and physician and a

reduction of the amount of the prepared herbal material(s)



> Now, folks - anyone else want to brag about Hypericum tincture

strenght? Mine is

> soooo strong I can't take it straight, and it'll stain anything deeep

brown

> (never made a tincture this strong before - the vintage of '96 will go

down as a

> very good crop).



Bragging rights are reserved for Texas!  After all, we grow everything

bigger down here.  As to the "strength" of a tincture, I've personally

harvested plants from different sites with markedly different potency.

Any herbalist knows that plants vary in their assay from season to

season...  Even from plant to plant in the same season.



Balance

--------

Attachment



--------





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Snoring Treatment

From: ross.meyer@lmco.com (R. E. Meyer)

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 14:14:20 -0800

--------

Is there a proven one?  What is the physiological basis of an herbal

treatment for this condition?



Tnx, Ross





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. Johns Wart

From: Stanley <so@bigfoot.com>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 14:21:18 -0800

--------

Has anyone had any exsperince with using St. Johns Wart in conjunction

with prozac?  Is it safe to use both at the same time? What about

alternate days?



-- 

Later, Stanley

Email: so@bigfoot.com





Check it out:

Home Grown Health

http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~stanley/





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wart

From: robert grace <rgrace@jumppoint.com>

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 14:21:34 -0800

--------

Stanley wrote:

> 

> Has anyone had any exsperince with using St. Johns Wart in conjunction

> with prozac?  Is it safe to use both at the same time? What about

> alternate days?

> 

> --

> Later, Stanley

> Email: so@bigfoot.com

> 

> Check it out:

> Home Grown Health

> http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~stanley/



I have heard it is quite dangerous. Check with your doctor. Also try:

http://www.hypericum.com



-- 

rgrace@jumppoint.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: echinacea?

From: Leona Sebastian <leighs@nb.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 17:34:48 -0600

--------

Hi,

I am new to the healing herbs. My friend told me to take echinacea for

my immune system.I was sick for 4 months with upper resp. problems. I am

better now but, my immune system is shot. Will this echinacea help build

it back up? How much do I take? She also recommended garlic. Would some

one comment on these herbs or any others you would recommend.I am a

beleiver in vitamins and take all kinds of them too.I had gone off all

the vits. due to laxness then I got sick. Leona





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: echinacea?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 03:31:10 GMT

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Leona Sebastian <leighs@nb.net> wrote:



>I am new to the healing herbs. My friend told me to take echinacea for

>my immune system.I was sick for 4 months with upper resp. problems. I am

>better now but, my immune system is shot. Will this echinacea help build

>it back up? 



Yes, it will help.  Goldenseal is a good one, too.  Something like

Solaray Thymus Complex would likely do the job fastest.  It includes

echinacea and goldenseal and a number of other herbs, plus, of course,

thymus gland.  Astragalus is a good all around herb for building

immunity, inexpensive, and safe to take long term.



However, if I had to choose a single supplement to build immunity

(plus provide other benefits), it would be cat's claw.



> How much do I take? 



According to label directions unless you investigate further.



Two more good supplements would be a multivitamin and multimineral,

like Twinlab Daily One (200mcg selenium per capsule) plus Solaray

Cal-Mag Citrate.



turf







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Subject: Re: echinacea?

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 8 Feb 1997 09:23:00 GMT

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Leona Sebastian <leighs@nb.net> wrote:

>Hi,

>I am new to the healing herbs. My friend told me to take echinacea for

>my immune system.I was sick for 4 months with upper resp. problems. I am

>better now but, my immune system is shot. Will this echinacea help build

>it back up? How much do I take? She also recommended garlic. Would some

>one comment on these herbs or any others you would recommend.I am a

>beleiver in vitamins and take all kinds of them too.I had gone off all

>the vits. due to laxness then I got sick. Leona



Welcome to the oldest form of health maintainance, herbs have been used 

by all cultures.



Echinacea is known to help build up the immune system.  There are 

differing beliefs whether it is a tonic herb or a stimulating herb.  I 

believe it is a tonic and as such I usually take it in a cycle.  ie:  10 

days - 2 weeks ON and then 1 week [or so] OFF.  I believe that if I pay 

close attention to how my body is reacting, I can usually figure out if I 

need a particular herb.  [that part takes practice] ;>



I like my herbs in tincture form.  It is easier to regulate my dosage by 

the drop [or dropperful] than to try to halve a capsule or tablet.  I 

also believe 'the fresher, the better' and I don't trust a pill form to 

be as fresh as a tincture.  I also like to taste the various herbs I 

take.  [Though I sometimes wonder why] ;>



For lots of good information about Echinacea and other herbs see the 

medicinal herbFAQ that is posted on this newsgroup around the 20th of 

each month.  See it now at <http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed>



A good book to check into is Echinacea by Christopher Hobbs



Garlic is an infection fighter, among other things.  It can be eaten 

cooked or raw to excess.  If everyone would do that, people could stop 

worrying about their 'garlic breath'.



Deb

-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Subject: Re: echinacea?

From: "Melissa Shaughnessy (ENG)" <mshaughn@chuma.cas.usf.edu>

Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 19:47:30 -0500

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Echinacea is the best herb to help build your immune system but you want

to be careful not to take it for extremely long times or your body will

build it's own immunity to it.  Goldenseal and echinacea are a great

combination for the immune system.  You are taking all the most important

ones which include garlic but you might want to give yourself a boost on

the vitamin c. This will help clear out any mucus that is left over in

your lungs. I'm sure you know already how important the diet is.  Try to

stay away from any refined foods as well as dairy for as long as you can.

Happy healing.

Melissa 

mshaughn@chuma.cas.usf.edu







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Subject: Diabetes and herbal help.

From: bc549@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Ivana Knezevic)

Date: 7 Feb 1997 02:15:12 GMT

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I hope somebody can help: there was a thread few month back about bean

juice controlling sugar levels in the blood. My mother-in-law has been

diagnosed a diabetic in the meantime and she is on insuline, but a low

dose and the doctor had told her that she is likely to get off soon. She

is not overweight and she is very carefully following the suggested diet,

but it runs in her family and she had tremendous stress over last few

years. Could somebody with the info on possible help through herbs and/or

diet let me know please? If possible email me direct me, I have  a small

baby and don't have time often to browse the groups.



Thanks in advance,



Ivana

--

                                              /\_/\            __

                  ~ IVANA KNEZEVIC ~         = o_o =________   \ \

              bc549@freenet.carleton.ca       __^      __(  \.__) )

                  ar097@torfree.net       (@)(_____)__(_____)____/  





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Subject: Re: Diabetes and herbal help.

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 02:52:10 GMT

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Diabetes Regimen



Follow the Zone diet as detailed in Barry Sear's book The Zone.

It is the healthiest way to control blood sugar by dietary means.

Taking EPA fish oil capsules will help further regulate blood

sugar levels when a zone diet is being performed.  A GLA source 

like spirulina can help as well.  If these two fatty acids 

are supplemented, use them in a 50:1 - 20:1 ratio of EPA:GLA.

That would be about 1000mg EPA (2 large fish oil capsules) to

20mg GLA (one low-potency evening primrose oil capsule or 

four spirulina capsules).



Use fenugreek seed in capsules, or eat the seeds straight -

either two capsules or 1/2-1 teaspoon, twice per day.  One

could make a tea by adding a teaspoon to a cup of boiled

water and letting it steep.  Use it daily for at least one month,

then a few times per week.  



Use gymnema sylvestre.  It is an Ayurvedic herb just now 

showing up on the US market and shows even more promise then 

fenugreek for treating diabetes.  One company I noticed which 

sells it is Sabinsa, in NJ.  Since Nature's Herbs is getting 

into ayurvedics, they may have one as well, but I have not 

noticed it.



Once damage is done to the beta cells in the 

pancreas, it is unlikely that they can be repaired.  However, 

fenugreek and gymnema have produced, in animal studies, data 

that suggest they might actually increase beta cell counts 

since increased insulin generation was measured.  Whether that 

will be proven or not remains to be seen in human studies, but 

they both regulate blood sugar levels very well, so are 

appropriate supplements.



See the article called "Diet and Supplement Tips" (posted 

regularly to the misc.health.alternative newsgroup, or request 

from me) and follow the antiparasitic regimen.



Also, follow the general supplements of a multivitamin and 

multimineral, using any combination which will ensure that one 

is getting 200 mcg vanadium and 200 mcg chromium per day. 

Better yet, follow the "whole" food vitamin and mineral 

supplementation regimen and merely purchase a vanadium/chromium 

combination (there are a number of them available in health 

food stores).



Take a bilberry supplement, especially if there are vein or eye 

problems.  Eat thyme, 1 teaspoon, daily for the first week, 

then once per week afterward.  Or purchase a fenugreek/thyme 

combination which is available at many herb shops to use for 

this and fenugreek seed.



Avoid all potential sources of wood alcohol like powdered and

soft drinks, aspertame, bottled water, and limit consumption of

all processed foods.  Cook all meat, especially beef,

thoroughly.  Peel potatoes before consuming and never eat

discolored parts of them.  Do not wear jewelry or a watch,

especially if they are gold.  If there is gas for cooking or

heating in the home, have the health department check for

leaks.



If insulin is taken now, check blood sugar often and use 

insulin accordingly.







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Subject: Re: Diabetes and herbal help.

From: Carole <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 11:26:16 -0800

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I really hope that giving out this type of advice in the way it's 

presented that "turf" is a doctor. My grandfather and father both had 

diabetes. They both ate regular foods, in regulated quantities. They 

both survived until their 80's (my grandfather to 88 and my father to 

80). Both wore gold jewellery, neither had eye problems, or any other 

problems. My grandfather was insulin dependent from time to time, but 

always came back to diet controlled within a couple of months. 



There are herbal remedies that can assist in controlling diabetes, such 

as the bean juice did with my father when the prescription his doctor 

gave him did not work. 



However, my mouth dropped and I was floored at the manner in which the 

bottom post was written. It makes this person sound as if he/she is the 

last word on diabetes treatment, as if he/she is the only expert in the 

world. It is fine to say that one could try this or try that, or tell 

that it worked for me or someone in my family, but please, be careful 

how you word things. What works for one does not necessarily work for 

others. 



BTW, my father was allergic to all the herbal remedies that were 

mentioned in the post so this would have led him to believe that he was 

destined to die from diabetes - with the way the post was worded.



turf wrote:

> 

> Diabetes Regimen

> 

> Follow the Zone diet as detailed in Barry Sear's book The Zone.

> It is the healthiest way to control blood sugar by dietary means.

> Taking EPA fish oil capsules will help further regulate blood

> sugar levels when a zone diet is being performed.  A GLA source

> like spirulina can help as well.  If these two fatty acids

> are supplemented, use them in a 50:1 - 20:1 ratio of EPA:GLA.

> That would be about 1000mg EPA (2 large fish oil capsules) to

> 20mg GLA (one low-potency evening primrose oil capsule or

> four spirulina capsules).

> 

> Use fenugreek seed in capsules, or eat the seeds straight -

> either two capsules or 1/2-1 teaspoon, twice per day.  One

> could make a tea by adding a teaspoon to a cup of boiled

> water and letting it steep.  Use it daily for at least one month,

> then a few times per week.

> 

> Use gymnema sylvestre.  It is an Ayurvedic herb just now

> showing up on the US market and shows even more promise then

> fenugreek for treating diabetes.  One company I noticed which

> sells it is Sabinsa, in NJ.  Since Nature's Herbs is getting

> into ayurvedics, they may have one as well, but I have not

> noticed it.

> 

> Once damage is done to the beta cells in the

> pancreas, it is unlikely that they can be repaired.  However,

> fenugreek and gymnema have produced, in animal studies, data

> that suggest they might actually increase beta cell counts

> since increased insulin generation was measured.  Whether that

> will be proven or not remains to be seen in human studies, but

> they both regulate blood sugar levels very well, so are

> appropriate supplements.

> 

> See the article called "Diet and Supplement Tips" (posted

> regularly to the misc.health.alternative newsgroup, or request

> from me) and follow the antiparasitic regimen.

> 

> Also, follow the general supplements of a multivitamin and

> multimineral, using any combination which will ensure that one

> is getting 200 mcg vanadium and 200 mcg chromium per day.

> Better yet, follow the "whole" food vitamin and mineral

> supplementation regimen and merely purchase a vanadium/chromium

> combination (there are a number of them available in health

> food stores).

> 

> Take a bilberry supplement, especially if there are vein or eye

> problems.  Eat thyme, 1 teaspoon, daily for the first week,

> then once per week afterward.  Or purchase a fenugreek/thyme

> combination which is available at many herb shops to use for

> this and fenugreek seed.

> 

> Avoid all potential sources of wood alcohol like powdered and

> soft drinks, aspertame, bottled water, and limit consumption of

> all processed foods.  Cook all meat, especially beef,

> thoroughly.  Peel potatoes before consuming and never eat

> discolored parts of them.  Do not wear jewelry or a watch,

> especially if they are gold.  If there is gas for cooking or

> heating in the home, have the health department check for

> leaks.

> 

> If insulin is taken now, check blood sugar often and use

> insulin accordingly.





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Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Healing nasopharyngeal cancer

From: abg21@dial.pipex.com (Nick Hunter)

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 02:37:02 +0000

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Ruby <rubyanne@xmission.com> wrote:



> Nick,

> Why the crosspost to alt.folklore.herbs?



The original post included a request for info on Astragalus

membranaceus, and the good folks at alt.folklore.herbs are the best

qualified I know of to assist in answering the question, especially with

regard to supply sources. Don't be fooled by the folklore bit - it is a

highly informed herbal forum, and one of the most valuable that I read.



Just for the record, here are some of the properties of Astragalus

membranaceus (huangqi) as listed by Qingcal Zhang & Hong-yen Hsu (1990)

in: AIDS and Chinese Medicine", Oriental Healing Arts Institute, Long

Beach, CA, ISBN 0-941942-31-7, pp. 157-168.



Huangqi is the most important qi tonic, and the chief ingredient of the

famous immune-enhancing, Jade Screen Formula. It increases the number of

white blood cells, and increases phagocytosis (esp of mononucleic

macrophages) thereby speeding up the speed of clearing foreign

particles. It promotes interferon production, affects cAMP and cGMP (in

mice spleens at least..) and immunoglobulin (Ig). It also affects the

production of antibodies and promotes the transformation of the

lymphoblast. It therefore has extensive effects on the functioning of

the immune system. If combined with radiotherapy or chemotherapy, the

therapeutic effects are enhanced while the side effects of chemotherapy

or radiotherapy are reduced.



Qingcal Zhang & Hong-yen Hsu list the following medical references: 



Geng, 1986. Progress in the Pharmacological Research of the

Immunological Effects of Huang Ji. Chinese Journal of Integrated

Traditional and Western Medicine 6(1):6264 



Lu, 1982. Chinese Herbs and Immunology: Chinese Tonics. Kuangdong

Science & Technology Publishers, Kuanzhou, China 



Wagner, 1985. Immunostimulants from Medicinal Plants. Advances in

Chinese Medicinal Materials Research. World Scientific Publishing Co,

Singapore. p. 159  



Yingzhen Yang, 1987.The effect of Astragalus membranaceus injections on

the heartbeat of rats infected with Coxsackie B-2 virus. Chinese Medical

Journal 100(7): 595-602



The Oriental Materia Medica published by Hong-Yen Hsu, 1986 (Oriental

Healing Arts Institute, Long Beach, CA, ISBN 0-87983-710-1, pp. 521-523)

states that Astragalus supplements ch'i, increases yang, disperses

swelling and discharges pus. It enters the spleen and lung meridians.



I mentioned, I took astragalus in an excellent balanced preparation of

Pau d'arco from Michael Tierra. Lora Mermin (smermin@facstaff.wisc.edu)

saw the post while doing DejaNews search on Dr. Tierra, and kindly

mentioned he has excellent Website at <http://www.cruzio.com/~eastwest/>



If your brother does decide to get involved with Astragalus

membranaceus, I suggest he consults someone who is knowledgeable about

it, preferably a qualified TCM practitioner as there are several

formulas which include Astragalus in combination with up to 16 other

herbs. 



With best wishes for your brother's rapid recovery.











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Subject: Re: HELP! - The Medical Industry doesn't want to know

From: abg21@dial.pipex.com (Nick Hunter)

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 02:39:47 +0000

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The Guardian newspaper of 6 February 1997 reported the following (quoted

in full):



"The people at the top of drug companies today are accountants and

marketing men. They are huge bureaucracies with very few scientists

among them and have become less and less responsive to new ideas ... But

when I say to them that it is possible to stop heart attacks recurring

and there's the compound up there on your own shelves, they don't want

to know" 



Professor Mark Noble of Charing Cross and Westminster Hospital Medical

School who cannot persuade companies to test a drug he believes could

stop about 90 per cent of heart attacks. The Observer. End quote.





The more shouting and abuse I read from "we in the profession" (see

below), the more convinced I become that conventional medicine has gone

horribly wrong somewhere. 



(1) The pharmaceutical industry is only interested in developing

products which earn megabucks, and using every sinew of its financial

muscle to suppress the use of natural substances which threaten its

lucrative markets. 



(2) Many useful natural substances remain incompletely tested and are

hence unproven and unprescribable. 



(3) Because there is no organisation with the finances to demonstrate

the efficacy of these natural substances, they are banned or go

underutilised, while cancer patients have to pay outrageous amounts for

conventional treatments with harmful side effects.



(4) It has has all gone horribly wrong somewhere.     





Joseph P. Pulcini, M.D. <jojo@elpnet.com> wrote with regard to Essiac:



> Get a life!  God help you if you believe this utter and

> complete BULLSHIT.  

>   If ANYTHING helped cancer patients, we in the profession would be all

> over it.  Enough with the adolescent conspiracy thoeries. I'll use

> *anything* that works.  Oncologists watch their patients die every day.

> How dare you suggest that this is an INDUSTRY: and that we'd suppress a

> cure!  You are an idiot, or worse yet, a callous snake-oil seller.  

>  If one person died because of your charlatanism, I would gladly

> sentence you to the electric chair and pull the switch myself. There are

> no words low enough for you.  'Nuff said.

> 

> Joseph P. Pulcini, M.D





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Subject: Re: HELP! - The Medical Industry doesn't want to know

From: abg21@dial.pipex.com (Nick Hunter)

Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 21:35:24 +0000

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JXBrown <jxbrown@aol.com> wrote:



> So Nick, why don't you tell us the name of the "natural substance" that

> will "stop about 90% of heart attacks"?  Or doesn't the food supplement

> industry want us to know?  

> 

> How do you know that this substance will prevent heart attacks?  Where

> does the 90% figure come from?



> P.S.  What other secrets can you lets us in on about 100 mile per gallon

> carbeurators?



If you read my past more carefully you will see that I quoted the

Guardian article in full, and identified the end of the quote which

originated from the Observer newspaper.



If you wish to follow up the story, I suggest you try either the

Guardian or Observer websites, or communicate directly with Professor

Mark Noble of Charing Cross and Westminster Hospital Medical School in

London, whom I feel sure will be happy to provide more information.



The purpose of my post was, using a story drawn from the same day's

press, to substantiate a different view to the misleading one put

forward by Dr Joseph P. Pulcini, M.D when he wrote: 



>"How dare you suggest that this is an INDUSTRY: and that we'd 

> suppress a cure!"



The Guardian story conclusively demonstrates that the Medical Industry

is indeed suppressing useful cures.





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Subject: Re: HELP! - The Medical Industry doesn't want to know

From: plassoff@aol.com

Date: 10 Feb 1997 15:22:49 GMT

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In article <199702070239471009007@am189.du.pipex.com>,

abg21@dial.pipex.com (Nick Hunter) writes:



>(1) The pharmaceutical industry is only interested in developing

>products which earn megabucks, and using every sinew of its financial

>muscle to suppress the use of natural substances which threaten its

>lucrative markets. 

>



As I am a senior exec in the drug industry, I feel compelled to answer

some of your accusations.  We are not nearly as organised as you seem to

infer.  Suppress the use of natural substances?  We're very happy to

register our own drugs, let alone "suppress" anything.  JFK syndrome, it

appears, has got you by the short and curlies.





>(2) Many useful natural substances remain incompletely tested and are

>hence unproven and unprescribable. 





I could register them, but you could not.  Yes, drug companies seldom

investigate ideas with no proprietary protection, but this does not mean

that they work.  This is not the fault of industry.  The USSR tried it

your way; without incentive, drug development does not work.  Happy

thoughts etc. are not enough incentive.  This is common sense, not some

strange conspiracy.



>(3) Because there is no organisation with the finances to demonstrate

>the efficacy of these natural substances, they are banned or go

>underutilised, while cancer patients have to pay outrageous amounts for

>conventional treatments with harmful side effects.



Their safety and efficacy are unproven.  Yes, someone should investigate

these, but look further than the drug industry.  Why shouldn't government

do this job?  Lobby the EP, not industry!



>(4) It has has all gone horribly wrong somewhere.     

>

>



We're doing a pretty good job, all in all.



Cheers,



Pete Lassoff, Pharm.D.

London







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Subject: Re: melatonin&hepatitis...

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 03:10:42 GMT

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Hepatitis Regimen



Start herbs and supplements with caution, always looking for

signs of allergy or liver dysfunction.  Use under the guidance of

a health professional if one is not absolutely sure.



Take daily:



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Now Silymarin (is mostly turmeric, the most crucial supplement 

for this, plus the best deal on silymarin I have seen).



Fennel Seeds - eat 1/2 teaspoon or more every time you take 

turmeric, like in Now Silymarin. If you cannot chew the seeds, 

fennel seed capsules are available.  If turmeric (or anything 

else) causes stomach upset, increase the amount of fennel seeds 

until it does not.



Solaray Dandelion Yellowdock Blend



Solaray Thymus Complex



Vitamin C, 1g with every meal.  Use pure ascorbic acid crystals. 



A good multivitamin like VegLife Multi or Twinlab Daily One.



A good multimineral like Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate or Now Calcium

Citrate (contains magnesium).



----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



These are the basics.  If there are any allergies or upper back 

pain, add Nature's Herbs Marshmallow Combination.



Also helpful are antivirals like garlic (2 cloves or equivalent 

per day), St. John's Wort (a MAOI, so heed drug and food 

interaction warnings), aloe, myrrh, and red root.   Definitely 

use red root (also known as New Jersey Tea) if there are any 

swollen lymphatic glands.  Licorice root is also helpful, but 

potassium intake must be increased if large doses are taken for 

any length of time.





If there is no response to this regimen within two weeks, add 

the following for three weeks. Start slowly and build up to 

ensure no allergies or jaundice symptoms:



Nature's Way Black Walnut Hulls - at double recommended dosage. 



Fresh ground cloves (from the spice section (not garlic), get 

the whole ones only and grind them yourself and pack tightly 

into capsules) - take 3, 3x day. 



Michael's Paraherbs - at double recommended dosage.



The main dietary consideration is to avoid potentially moldy 

foods at all costs.  Also, avoid all sources of petroleum 

byproducts and solvents.  See "Toxin Reduction in the Home and 

Diet" (occasionally posted to MHA or request from me) for 

more information.





I am a big proponent of bioelectronics, like Hulda Clark's 

zapper.  This may help, although I have no experience treating

hepatitis with one.  I myself would use a variable frequency device 

at the following frequencies:



727, 728, 880 Hz, followed by 414,000 - 420,000 Hz sweep 

(or 1/3 of these values to hit them on the harmonics), then 

660 Hz.  AC frequencies can be used, but DC square waves

are better.



I would definitely look into this bioelectronic modality if 

there was no significant progress within one month.











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Subject: Re: melatonin&hepatitis...

From: jgpfaff@mail.telis.org ( Janet P.)

Date: 10 Feb 1997 16:59:28 GMT

--------

In the sci.med. hepatitis news group this was discussed a while back and

it seems the most popular opinion was that it wasn't a good idea to take

any hormone like supplaments as the diseased livers didn't really process

them right. That includes DHEA too. Hope this helps. Jan



 wasIn article <32FA2F40.21D2@worldnet.fr>, brumberg

<brumberg@worldnet.fr> wrote:



> hi

> > > does someone get any information about the effects of melatonin on the

> > > liver?

> > > i'm hcv + since 10 years and i just start to use melatonin to fight the

> > > fatigue and i can say that it's work very well, but in facts i don't

> > > really know if it's good or bad for the liver.

> > > thank's for your answers

> > > gil.

> >





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Subject: Siberian Ginsing information request

From: ladygold@earthlink.net

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 03:16:42 GMT

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The good news is that taking siberian ginsing has almot totally

eliminated my hot flashes and night sweats.  I also seem calmer and

overall happier.



The bad news is that I haven't a clue what the long term effects of it

are nor what an appropriate dosage may be.



Any help will be appreciated.

--



Lady Gold



Oh wad some power the giftie gie us

To see oursel's as others see us!

It wad frae monie a blunder free us,

And foolish notion.

      To a Louse - Robert Burns





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alfalfa question #2

From: cathy <bowmans@erols.com>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 23:01:58 -0500

--------

Greetings



When reading, and hearing people talk about alfalfa,

are they referring to alfalfa sprouts? Or are they

talking about alfalfa pills, capsules.....



cathy







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ulcers

From: baccus <baccus@usa.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 23:36:53 -0500

--------

Hello,



Does anyone have any advice on ulcers?  My mother has just found out

that she has one and would like something along the lines of a herbal

tea that might help her.



Thanks.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ulcers

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 05:01:43 GMT

--------

On Thu, 06 Feb 1997 23:36:53 -0500, baccus <baccus@usa.net> wrote:



>Does anyone have any advice on ulcers?  My mother has just found out

>that she has one and would like something along the lines of a herbal

>tea that might help her.



Here's an article connecting them with diet:



Date:    Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:52:01 -0500

Sender:  Celiac/Coeliac Wheat/Gluten-free List <CELIAC@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU>

From:    "Joe Murray, M.D." <Murray@INTMED-PO.INT-MED.UIOWA.EDU>

Subject: Re: CELIAC Disease and ulcers



Not medical advice

While I cannot speak about kids, it is not infrequent to see adults who

have some type of break in the mucosal lining of the small intestine in

untreated CD. Some of these breaks are actual ulcers, some milder than

that. I suspect that they are the result of the inflammation related to

the celiac disease. Of course regular peptic ulcers are common at least

in the adult population. Usually in adults peptic ulcers are related to a

bug H. Pylori which if it is not present suggests that the ulcer is

related to celiac disease.

Joe Murray



[end of included article]



Celiac disease is grossly underdiagnosed in the US despite being a common

condition (at least 1:300 among people of European descent). It is barely

taught in medical school and is *rarely* considered by the profession as a

cause of people's problems. Some celiacs have remained undiagnosed for

decades. A Canadian survey found some celiacs had complained to more than

10 doctors before being diagnosed! And most are never diagnosed.



Celiac disease can be screened for with serum tests, or one can try a

gluten-free diet.



For more information this web page will lead to all others on this:



  The Gluten Free Page     http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.





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Subject: Re: Ulcers

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 13:51:53 GMT

--------

baccus <baccus@usa.net> wrote:



>Does anyone have any advice on ulcers?  My mother has just found out

>that she has one and would like something along the lines of a herbal

>tea that might help her.



If I were her, I would use a round of prescription antibiotics (see a

physician) along with Peptol Bismol.  Of course, a bioelectronic

modality would work, but antibiotics are the fastest (assuming

you don't already own a frequency generator) and cheapest (assuming

one has decent insurance) course.



turf







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Subject: Re: Ulcers

From: fish.r.us@wordwrite.com

Date: 9 Feb 1997 04:06:04 GMT

--------

turf (turf@mindspring.com) wrote:

: If I were her, I would use a round of prescription antibiotics (see a

: physician) along with Peptol Bismol.  Of course, a bioelectronic

: modality would work, but antibiotics are the fastest (assuming

: you don't already own a frequency generator) and cheapest (assuming

: one has decent insurance) course.



Unfortunately, antibiotics only work if your ulcer is caused by

bacteria (h. pylori). Most are; there's an easy test for it.





-- 

Karen





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Subject: Re: Ulcers

From: Linda Rice <lindy@nauticom.net>

Date: 10 Feb 97 06:47:00 GMT

--------

You might want to check into Aloe Vera Juice.  I don't have an ulcer, but 

I do have stomach problems with certain foods.  I take 2 oz. of Aloe Vera 

Juice...twice a day...and it is absolutely amazing.  I have heard many 

talk that it has also helped with ulcers.



You might want to get some other responses from those who have or 

had ulcers and using this product.











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Subject: Essac for Cancer?

From: kizmet@ix.netcom.com

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 20:40:19 -0800

--------

Has anyone heard of a powder called "Essac" that is supposed to be

available at health food stores? It is supposed to be effective against

some types of cancer.



Would like to know where it is available and does it work?



Would appreciate info ASAP either by post or e-mail as someone who is

ailing would like info on it. Much thanks.







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Subject: Re: Essac for Cancer?

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 7 Feb 1997 21:07:31 GMT

--------

In article <32FAB233.2033@ix.netcom.com>, kizmet@ix.netcom.com writes:



>Has anyone heard of a powder called "Essac" that is supposed to be

>available at health food stores? It is supposed to be effective against

>some types of cancer.



Essiac (Rene Caisse's name spelled backwards) is an herbal formula

consisting of burdock, turkey rhubarb, sheep sorrel and slippery elm. 

Almost all the books on alternative treatments of cancer have a chapter on

it, and there's half dozen books dealing only with this topic.  A web

search using "Essiac" will turn up lots of information.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: Bursitis

From: krust@interlog.com (Krista Scott)

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 97 17:02:58 GMT

--------

Can anyone recommend a good herbal treatment for bursitis?  I've heard rumours 

about cat's claw, but what are the side effects?  This would be much 

appreciated.

Cheers,

Krista





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ch'i Mei Healing

From: ignite10@silcom.com

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 13:10:21 -0800

--------

Alternative Medicine; Ch'i Mei Healing 

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~chimei



Ch'i Mei Healing is non-invasive, painless and natural.  The freeing of

physical, emotional and energic blockages allows the body's natural

healing mechanism to be utilized.





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Subject: Re: Radish Sprouts

From: mumms@sk.sympatico.ca (Jim Mumm)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 02:37:00 GMT

--------

"Kym Holley" <kholley@istar.ca> wrote:



>I am growing radish sprouts.  Does anyone know what they can be used for?



They're great in potato salad and any other salad that is good with radishes.

Also sandwiches. If they get long, chop them before use.



They are usually best short rather than long, say three or four days sprouting

rather than 5 or 6. They are great in mixes with other sprouting seeds as

well.



Jim M.

--

mumms@sk.sympatico.ca

Jim Mumm / Maggie Mumm

Mumm's Sprouting Seeds / Hazelridge Farm

Box 268, Shellbrook, SK, Canada, S0J 2E0







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Subject: Re: Dr. Joel Wallach  Dead Doctors Dont lie colloidal mineral

From: Jeff Johnson <performance@icdc.com>

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 22:45:41 -0500

--------

toddy@webdeb.com wrote:

> 

> Dead Doctors Don't Lie... the highly distributed audio tape

> by Author Dr. Joel Wallach

> 

> Here's the deal, cut and dried.

> How did you find out about colloidal minerals? Dr. Wallach

> Who does Dr. Wallach work with? Soaring Eagle Ventures

> Who does Dr. Wallach do "exclusive" live lectures for

> 300 days a year? Soaring Eagle Ventures

> 

> Who is the mineral doctor?....Dr. Wallach

> What does he use? Mineral Toddy & Total Toddy

> 

> If he is the expert on colloidal minerals, then why

> use anything else, other that the BEST??

> 

> Want more info on the BEST and oldest supplement

> marketed ever in America, unchanged since 1926?

> 

> Mineral Toddy - THE organic plant based colloidal mineral.

> 

> Visit my website for more complelling facts and information

> or an original FREE un-cut version of the DDDL tape

> http://www.webdeb.com

> 

> -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

>       http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet





There are many reputable companies that manufacture nutritional

supplements. Unfortunately, there are just as many companies who use

hype, unsubstantiated claims and misleading statements to market their

products. Buyer beware.



As a nutritionist and conditioning specialist, I am very much a

proponent of nutritional supplementation for health enhancement,

performance enhancement, exercise recovery and to account for

deficiencies in our diet.  Scientific studies in increasing amounts

continue to show the value of nutrient intake in excess of the RDA.  



I strongly object, however, to the marketing methods used by

unscrupulous companies and their distributors. These tactics mislead

members of the general population who are generally not aware of the

scientific facts.



The following information is thus provided for your reading enjoyment.



Jeff Johnson, MS

Performance Fitness & Nutrition



This critique of "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" by Joel E. Wallach can be

found at 

http://www.wellweb.com/altern/bunko/deaddocs.htm



"Dead Doctors Don't Lie"



An expose of Dr. Joel Wallach's tape, "Dead Doctors Don't Lie"



By Steve Cherniske, M.S.



Background: It's becoming common for emerging network marketing

companies to send out audio tapes in advance of their launch to generate

excitement and visibility. The tape by Dr. Wallach is very effective

because it is extremely controversial. The title Dead Doctors Don't Lie

gives you an idea. And Wallach is a very compelling speaker. His Midwest

accent and down-home manner comes across as believable and

straightforward. He is a veterinarian (DVM) by training and also

received a Naturopath (ND) degree.



And now the news: As I listened to the tape, I became more and more

annoyed by the doctor bashing. Keep in mind that I have no love affair

with the AMA, but I have worked very closely with many physicians over

the years and took offense at Wallach's cynical generalizations and

unfair exaggerations. This was especially bothersome because of the

one-sided format. Taking pot-shots at an adversary when he (or she) has

no opportunity to respond is unprofessional to say the least. So I see

this review as an effort to "keep everyone honest."



Let me begin by saying that I agree with Joel Wallach's basic position,

that nutritional supplements are an effective and reliable way to

improve ones health. I also think that it is best to minimize one's

intake of drugs and reliance upon hospitals and surgery. But I believe

that Wallach goes off the deep end in condemning the entire medical

profession, and I think that much of his information is DEAD WRONG.



True or False



Imagine you just purchased a brand new car, and as the salesman shakes

your hand he informs you that roughly 50% of the information in the

owners manual is incorrect. How would you feel? First of all, it would

be impossible for you to take care of your new car because you wouldn't

know what information was true and what was false. The

manual, in other words, would be useless, and your investment would be

in jeopardy.



I think tapes like Dead Doctors Don't Lie are like faulty owners

manuals. The vehicle in this case is your body, which is far more

valuable than any car, and when learning about it, you have to determine

if the material is accurate. Following are my points of disagreement

with Dr. Wallach.



Judge for yourself.



1. He is listed on the tape as a 1991 Nobel Prize nominee for medicine.

While that sounds impressive, you have to understand that anyone can

nominate anyone for a Nobel prize. I would like to know what

accomplishment he was nominated for and what level his nomination

reached. After all, I have been nominated for President of the United

States. Impressed? I hope not.



2. Dr. Wallach claims to have performed over 3,000 autopsies on humans.

When I called Bastyr University, the nations foremost Naturopath school,

they informed me that ND's are not licensed or trained to perform human

autopsies.



3. Dr. Wallach states that pica is a disorder in which a person craves

sweets. In fact, it is a hunger for non-food substances such as soil or

metal. 



4. He states that the average lifespan of a doctor in America is 58

years. According to the National Center for Health Statistics, American

physicians live an average of 69.7 years, less than the national

average, but certainly more than Dr. Wallach would have us believe.



5. Dr. Wallach states that an anti-cancer diet has been discovered. But

his data is derived from a Chinese study in which a large proportion of

the participants were seriously malnourished. It is not reasonable to

conclude that anyone who takes vitamins A, E and beta carotene will have

the same reduction in cancer risk. 



6. He states that 50% of 70 year old Americans have Alzheimer's disease.

In fact, careful research shows that the incidence of Alzheimer's

disease in Americans 65 to 74 years of age is approximately 3.9%.

Reference: Evans D. et al. Estimated Prevalence of Alzheimers Disease in

the United States. The Milbank Quarterly 1990; 68(2):267-287.



7. He talks of preventing Alzheimer's disease in pigs with vitamin E and

a low vegetable oil diet. In fact, pigs don't get Alzheimer's, and there

is no evidence that this approach has any benefit for humans with this

disease.



8. Dr. Wallach recommends the use of butter over olive oil for longevity

when a virtual mountain of research supports the opposite view.



9. He states that gray hair at any age and face wrinkles are due to a

cop per deficiency. This is absurd and insupportable.



10. His claim that cardiomyopathy is a selenium deficiency is equally

absurd, and illustrates a serious error in thinking. Cardiomyopathy is

not a single disease but a group of disorders that involve the heart

muscle. (cardio=heart, myo=muscle, pathy=disease). Cardiomyopathy can

result from a host of causes including genetic defects, nutritional

deficiency, metabolic disease, infection, trauma and alcoholism. Yet

Wallach lumps all cardiomyopathy into a single disease with a single

cause, selenium

deficiency. Even his examples are dead wrong. He goes on and on about

Stewart Berger, a doctor who died of cardiomyopathy, yet Wallach knows

nothing about this doctor. If he had bothered to do even a little

research, he would have learned that Berger had a life-long weight

problem (weighed over 300 when he died) and may also have abused drugs.

Either of these factors can cause cardiomyopathy, but according to

Wallach, Berger was simply deficient in the mineral selenium. In fact,

Berger regularly took an enormous amount of nutritional supplements,

including selenium.



11. He makes the same mistake when talking of aneurysms, the bulging of

an artery. Although medical texts list some 40 different types of

aneurysm, with a variety of causes including atherosclerosis, cancer,

bacterial infection and hypertension, Wallach claims that all aneurysms

are caused by a copper deficiency. 



12. He states that male pattern baldness is a tin deficiency. This is

entirely incorrect.



13. He states that Bells palsy is a calcium deficiency when in fact it

is a clear neurological disorder. Many individuals have suffered from

Bells palsy (interruption of a facial nerve resulting in partial

paralysis of the face) after trauma or injury. Did these people all

suddenly become calcium deficient? And if the disorder is a calcium

deficiency, why is Bells palsy so rare?



14. He states that sugar metabolism disorders (diabetes and

hypoglycemia) are a vanadium

deficiency when vanadium has not even been recognized as an essential

nutrient for humans.



15. He states that arthritis is osteoporosis of the joint ends of the

bones. This is incorrect.



16. He claims that sodium intake has nothing to do with high blood

pressure, citing the fact that he used to put salt licks out for his

cows and they never got high blood pressure. What incredible reasoning!

Could it be that cows use the salt lick as needed, while humans

routinely consume massive amounts of sodium for taste and as food

additives? In fact, the human body was designed for a high potassium,

low sodium diet through 1.6 million years of hunting and gathering.

Today's highly processed and refine diet supplies minimal potassium and

enormous amounts of sodium, and we suffer as a result.



This is probably my major objection to this tape; the fact that

important points like this are over-simplified and exaggerated. If

Wallach actually did his homework, he would find that fully one-third of

the studies evaluating calcium intake and hypertension actually show no

consistent benefit. REFERENCE: McCarron DA; Hatton D; Roullet JB;

Roullet C. Dietary calcium, defective cellular Ca2+ handling, and

arterial pressure control. Canadian Journal of Physiology and

Pharmacology, 1994 Aug, 72(8):937-44.



This may be due to the fact that calcium supplementation appears to work

best for people whose previous intake of calcium was very low.



17. Wallach dismisses the importance of good oral hygiene in preventing

periodontal disease (receding gums). Instead, he claims the problem is

simply a calcium deficiency. While adequate calcium intake is certainly

important for the maintenance of the bone that anchors the teeth

(alveolar bone), the deterioration of this bone is a late stage in

periodontal disease. The progression of periodontal disease is actually

well understood. First there is the accumulation of bacterial plaque,

masses of bacteria that are actually visible to your dentist. The

infection then spreads to the periodontal ligament which attaches the

tooth to the bone, and finally, the bone begins to

deteriorate.



18. One of the most simplistic and nonsensical claims made on this tape

is that people who live to be a hundred drink 40 cups of tea every day

and put rock salt and two pats of butter in each cup. On the other hand,

doctors (who Wallach claims only live to be 58) tell you to reduce salt

and butter. Wallach then asks "Who are you going to believe?"



First of all, I would like to know where these tea, rock salt and butter

consuming people are. I have traveled throughout Asia and have studied

longevity at great length, and have never encountered such behavior. And

even if there are people with such habits, certainly the vast majority

of centenarians do not drink 40 cups of tea each day loaded with butter

and rock salt. So I will ask you the same question..."Who are you going

to believe?"



19. Then there's the hysterectomy issue. Wallach states that "The

medical treatment of choice for PMS is a hysterectomy." This is utter

nonsense. He also claims that doctors perform about 285,000 unnecessary

hysterectomies each year in order to make their Mercedes payments. This

borders on hate mongering, and once again is a gross exaggeration. The

total number of hysterectomies performed in the US in 1993 was 560,000

and the vast majority of there were performed because of ovarian cancer

or other disease. Where does Wallach get his figures? Now there is no

doubt that many hysterectomies are unnecessary, but a careful study

utilizing second opinion data showed that only 8% of elective

hysterectomies (eg. those performed because of ovarian cysts) were

unconfirmed. REFERENCE: Finkel ML; Finkel DJ. The effect of a second

opinion program on hysterectomy performance. Medical Care, 1990 Sep,

28(9):776-83.



If you take the approximate number of elective hysterectomies (124,000)

and multiply by 8%, you get 9,920, not 285,000. Wallach further states

that the AMA says that these (285,000) hysterectomies are unnecessary,

but when I contacted the AMA regarding this, they had no idea what he

was talking about. Of course, as you might have guessed, Wallach states

that PMS is really just a calcium deficiency.



20. Wallach states that all low back pain, "whether you work on a

computer, unload hay or drive big trucks" is due to osteoporosis. This

is absurd, as most low back pain is caused by muscle or ligament strain. 



21. Wallach states that he has seen diabetes cured in "hundreds and

hundreds" of individuals simply by taking chromium and vanadium

supplements. Again, it is well-known that these trace minerals are

important in glucose metabolism. It's also true that the medical

community in general underutilizes trace minerals in treating diabetes.

But I know dozens of doctors who include trace minerals in their

treatment plans, and not one of them would agree with Wallach. They,

along with the entire health care community, would love to see his

patient records to verify his claims.



22. Wallach's treatment of colloidal minerals is also filled with

errors. While any organic chemist knows that soil-based compounds can be

divided into metals and non-metals, he calls all of these "metallic

minerals." He claims that these metallic minerals are only 8 to 12%

absorbable, and after age 35 to 40, that drops to 3 to 5%. Where does he

get these numbers? What happens at age 35 that reduces mineral

absorption by 60%? Whenever I hear ridiculous numbers like this thrown

around I challenge the speaker to provide documentation. No one ever

has.



In reality, the absorption of minerals depends on an enormous number of

variables, the most important of which is physiologic need. Someone who

is deficient in calcium will absorb a great deal more of the mineral (in

any form) than someone who is adequately nourished. Another variable is

vitamin D status. Someone adequately nourished in vitamin D will absorb

far more calcium (in any form) than someone deficient in vitamin D.

Other variables include nutrient form (calcium citrate is absorbed much

better than calcium phosphate) and meal composition (vitamin C helps the

absorption of iron and zinc).



23. He tells a story of a man who owned a portable toilet company

finding hundreds of intact vitamin tablets in his toilets. Wallach uses

that story to prove that "you can't absorb metallic minerals." In fact,

all that proves is that some vitamins are tableted improperly. To make

the sweeping statement that all vitamin tablets are unabsorbed is like

saying that because Yugos break down all the time, all automobiles are

unreliable. In nutrition as in automobiles, there are the Yugos and

there are Rolls Royces.



24. Wallach states: "If you read the labels on those multiples, they say

your iron comes in the form of iron oxide. What is iron oxide? Rust!"

While this point is dramatic, it is also patently false. In the last ten

years, I have reviewed more than a thousand different multi mineral

formulations, and not one of them used iron oxide.



25. Wallach's calcium lactate story also contains multiple errors. He

states that in a 1,000 mg tablet, 250 mg is calcium and the remaining

750 mg is lactose or milk sugar. In fact, calcium lactate is a compound

of calcium and lactic acid, which is an organic acid found in apples,

tomatoes and other fruit as well as beer and wine. He then states that

you'll only absorb 10% of the calcium in such products, but that claim

is unsupported.



26. His claim that colloidal minerals are 98% absorbable is probably the

most important statement on the tape (since he's selling colloidal

minerals) but I could find no documentation in the medical or

agricultural literature to document that. As mentioned in # 22 above,

the absorption of minerals depends upon a host of factors, only one of

which is the form in which they are delivered.



I am not saying that colloidal minerals are not valuable. They are

probably a very good mineral source, but in order to evaluate their

worth to human health, we need more than just claims and audio tapes.

Mineral absorption is verifiable through scientific experiment. I have

such data on the mineral compounds that I use, and I would expect that

Wallach or anyone making these claims should be able to do the same. As

of this writing I have not seen a single study comparing the absorption

of colloidal minerals vs mineral salts or chelated minerals in humans.

Hmmmm.



27. Wallach states that the human body stores, uses and transports

minerals in their colloidal state. This is not true. Most minerals are

stored as salts of calcium or phosphorus. Others are found in compounds

with proteins or lipids, or simply components of enzymes and hormones.

In fact, minerals in the human body are often found in their free ionic

state. Magnesium, for example, is found in numerous body tissues, with

only about 30% bound to any type of carrier molecule. 

REFERENCE: Shils ME. Physiological Chemistry of Magnesium. In: Present

Knowledge in

Nutrition. The Nutrition Foundation. Washington D.C. 1984. pp 422-438.



28. More colloidal confusion. Wallach notes that all of the long-lived

cultures drink glacier water which contains ground up rocks in solution.

But these are simply metallic minerals, the very compounds he previously

stated were unabsorbable. I don't get it. Then he says, "Are these

colloidal minerals important? You bet your life they are." My question

is, what colloidal minerals is he referring to?





>>>(end of critique by Stephen Cherniske, M.S.)<<<





Reuter's Health Information Services  - Internet Health Watch



(Source:  http://www.reutershealth.com/ihw/reviews/wallach.html )



Web Resource Evaluation:



     Joel Wallach's "Multi-Media Ventures" 

     Date of Review: November 1, 1996 





This small site, containing several inconsistencies in addition to

several glaring

fabrications, may well be one of the worst health pages on the Internet.

A site designed to promote Dr. Joel Wallach and products he offers, the

site makes extensive use of false information to sell unnecessary

nutritional products to the public, including a claim that names

Selenium deficiency as the cause of cystic fibrosis. False claims are

not limited to the nutritional arena, however. On a page that invites

the user to "Meet the Doc", Wallach is described as a Nobel Prize

Nominee in medicine. This is a ridiculous proposition, as the Nobel

Foundation only announces Prizewinners' names. 

(If you are curious about the nomination process for Nobel Prizes, the

Nobel Foundation has a very clear description of its nomination process

available on the Internet at http://www.nobel.se/. ) Also, although

another site dedicated to the marketing of his products states

otherwise, Dr. Wallach is a veterinarian and a naturopath, not an M.D..

In addition, Wallach is also supposed to have performed over 3,000

autopsies on humans who live close to the zoos where he had been

employed as a veterinarian. I did not   know zoos or vets were legally

authorized to do human autopsies. What a science fiction story that

would make. Some people will say anything to make a sale. As Mark Twain

once said, be careful what you read; it may be dangerous to your health.

Even on the Internet. 



>>>(end of Reuter's Health Information Services review)<<<







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Subject: Growing Ginseng in Sydney?

From: "Chris & Allison JONES" <cajones@pnc.com.au>

Date: 8 Feb 97 06:20:39 GMT

--------

Hi, can anyone help me with growing Ginseng in Sydney, Australia, thanks.





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Subject: Re: Growing Ginseng in Sydney?

From: Brad Gies <bgies@junction.net>

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 08:38:51 -0500

--------

Chris & Allison JONES wrote:

> 

> Hi, can anyone help me with growing Ginseng in Sydney, Australia, thanks.





There is a woman who posts a lot to a ginseng newsgroup from Red Cloud

Ginseng. She's from Australia and might be able to help. You should be

able to find her through Yahoo or one of the search engines. If you

can't let me know and I will find her e-mail address.





Brad



 

----------------------------------------------------------

Brad Gies - Lavington Ginseng - Greenhills Ginseng   

R.R. # 3, 586 St. Annes Rd,	Ph.(250) 545-0400.        

Armstrong, B.C.,		Fax. (250) 545-0440.	

Canada, V0E 1B0. 		e-mail  bgies@junction.net

    visit our web site at  http://www.ginseng.bc.ca/

----------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: Herbologist Courses

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 8 Feb 1997 08:57:48 GMT

--------

cabin2@ix.netcom.com(Melissa L. Norman) wrote:

>

>If you are wanting to take classes in herbs, look no further. I have a 

>

>friend that teaches just about anything you want to know about herbs.

>

>These classes are held on my farm and log cabin. We have 2 in April, 

>

>and 1 in May. This is in Kentucky about midway between Cincinnati, Oh.

>

>and Lexington, Ky.  The classes are only $25.00 each.<<snip>>

>

>You can e-mail me if you have more questions. cabin2@ix.netcom.com

>

>

>Judy Mullins

>Mullins Log Cabin

>1435 Denny Rd.

>Berry, Ky.   41003





What you are offering is topic related, so I'm not going to say nasties 

about posting ads in the newsgroup, but Kentucky is quite a ways from 

where I live.



A better way to direct us to your classes might be to have a Web page and 

include the URL in your .sig  This seems to be the accepted way to 

advertise in a ng [without actually advertising, of course] ;>



Deb

-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Subject: Re: Herbologist Courses

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 16:25:06 GMT

--------

On 8 Feb 1997 08:57:48 GMT, Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>xxx@yyy.zzz (Melissa L. Norman) wrote:

>>

>>If you are wanting to take classes in herbs, look no further. I have a 

>>friend that teaches just about anything you want to know about herbs.

>>These classes are held on my farm and log cabin. We have 2 in April, 

>>and 1 in May. This is in Kentucky about midway between Cincinnati, Oh.

>>and Lexington, Ky.  The classes are only $25.00 each.<<snip>>

>

>A better way to direct us to your classes might be to have a Web page and 

>include the URL in your .sig  This seems to be the accepted way to 

>advertise in a ng [without actually advertising, of course] ;>



And of course, Melissa/Judy: post something useful, not just ads.

Let us judge your knowledge based on your posts; it's worthwile to make your

reputation in AFH not by posting ads but by posting useful information. 



Henriette

who thinks above ad is about as useful to the average AFH denizen as me posting

things like:

'Want to know your herbs? Come to Helsinki next Thursday, 1800 sharp' ;)



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for COLITIS

From: daltons@sonic.net (Glenn Dalton)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 11:25:33 GMT

--------

On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 21:02:31 GMT, rkindt@awod.com (Ron Kindt) wrote:



>Are their any herbs that can help with colitis ( inflammation of the

>large intestine) ??

>

>

>_________________________________________________

>Ron Kindt

>rkindt@awod.com





Try cucumbers.  They work wonders.  make a cucumber salad every

afternoon and see how it works for you.  If nothing else its a

delicious snack.



Glenn





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Subject: Valerian & smooth muscles?

From: John Warriner <warriner@primenet.com>

Date: 8 Feb 1997 07:32:01 -0700

--------

There was some discussion of Valerian (sp?) as a muscle 

relaxant. (Unfortunately, I've lost the thread). Does 

anyone know if this substance will help to relax smooth 

muscles? I'm referring in particular to a spasm in the colon.

Thanks.



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Subject: Cramps

From: Pegasus <cmggcg@wt.net>

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 08:35:29 -0600

--------

Does anyone know what herbs I can use to relieve stomach cramps.  My

wife gets them real bad, and the docter told us it was gas. I used

Chamomile with fair results, what else is good..Thanks in advance 

Clement





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Subject: Re: Cramps

From: "Nite Flame" <NitFlame@vnet.net>

Date: 8 Feb 1997 17:07:04 GMT

--------

Greetings,

I have used ginger to good results for my own stomach problems, although

mine was more nausea than gas but it might help.

Niteflame



Pegasus <cmggcg@wt.net> wrote in article <32FC8F31.3093@wt.net>...

> Does anyone know what herbs I can use to relieve stomach cramps.  My

> wife gets them real bad, and the docter told us it was gas. I used

> Chamomile with fair results, what else is good..Thanks in advance 

> Clement

> 





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Subject: Re: Cramps

From: "Jeffrey L. Brown" <jlbrown@top.monad.net>

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 18:51:27 -0500

--------

Maybe fennel, peppermint, ginger.



Chris



Pegasus wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know what herbs I can use to relieve stomach cramps.  My

> wife gets them real bad, and the docter told us it was gas. I used

> Chamomile with fair results, what else is good..Thanks in advance

> Clement





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Subject: Re: Cramps

From: rbhoggan@CBE.AB.CA (Ron Hoggan)

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 06:46:26 GMT

--------

On Sat, 08 Feb 1997 08:35:29 -0600, Pegasus <cmggcg@wt.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know what herbs I can use to relieve stomach cramps.  My

>wife gets them real bad, and the docter told us it was gas. I used

>Chamomile with fair results, what else is good..Thanks in advance 



Hi Clement,



My daughter had bad cramps for years. She had to take morphine to get

through her periods. Since going on a gluten-free diet, over a year ago,

she has had few problems.



For more information see:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan



Best Wishes,

Ron Hoggan   Calgary, Alberta, Canada





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Subject: Re: Cramps

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 01:09:51 GMT

--------

Pegasus <cmggcg@wt.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know what herbs I can use to relieve stomach cramps.  My

>wife gets them real bad, and the docter told us it was gas. I used

>Chamomile with fair results, what else is good.



Fennel seeds.  Eat a teaspoon or so.  To do a complete regimen,

use 1/2 teaspoon turmeric powder and 1/2 teaspoon fennel seeds

twice per day for three weeks.  Use more fennel seeds, like 1-2 

teaspoons, if the turmeric causes stomach upset.  This will help

balance the bacteria in the gut, which is sometimes the cause of

chronic problems of this nature.



turf







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cramps

From: berak@esper.com (Mike Miller)

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 20:31:59 GMT

--------

On Sat, 08 Feb 1997 08:35:29 -0600, Pegasus <cmggcg@wt.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know what herbs I can use to relieve stomach cramps.  My

>wife gets them real bad, and the docter told us it was gas. I used

>Chamomile with fair results, what else is good..Thanks in advance 

>Clement



Chamomille is a good start. You might try adding some clove nails

(about 6 whole cloves per pot) to the chamomille flowers and brew it

with some tea. (Herbals or decaffenated teas work as well as regualr

teas.) This seems to work for most forms of abdominal distress,

including menstrual cramping.



Regards,



Mike Miller







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Subject: Re: Cramps

From: bgosling@interlog.com (The Goslings)

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 05:30:52 GMT

--------

In article <32FC8F31.3093@wt.net>, Pegasus <cmggcg@wt.net> wrote:

>Does anyone know what herbs I can use to relieve stomach cramps.  My

>wife gets them real bad, and the docter told us it was gas. I used

>Chamomile with fair results, what else is good..Thanks in advance 

>Clement



If it's gas maybe try anise seeds 

Bill













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Subject: Re: Cramps

From: Ramsa <ramsa@swva.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:42:11 -0500

--------

The Goslings wrote:

> 

> In article <32FC8F31.3093@wt.net>, Pegasus <cmggcg@wt.net> wrote:

> >Does anyone know what herbs I can use to relieve stomach cramps.  My

> >wife gets them real bad, and the docter told us it was gas. I used

> >Chamomile with fair results, what else is good..Thanks in advance

> >Clement

> 

> If it's gas maybe try anise seeds

> Bill



The mint family is renowned for alleviating cramps. My family has used

teas brewed from catnip, peppermint, or spearmint for over twenty years.

A teaspoon-full of the dried leaves steeped for fifteen minutes in a cup

of boiling water, sipped slowly is the general route of preparation

used. To make it more palatable, a bit of honey helps. We've also chewed

fresh leaves, two or three at a time with good results in the growing

season.



Love and Light!



Ramsa





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cramps

From: pcook@a4455apc.esr.hp.com ()

Date: 18 Feb 1997 13:38:30 GMT

--------

The Goslings (bgosling@interlog.com) wrote:

: In article <32FC8F31.3093@wt.net>, Pegasus <cmggcg@wt.net> wrote:

: >Does anyone know what herbs I can use to relieve stomach cramps.  My

: >wife gets them real bad, and the docter told us it was gas. I used

: >Chamomile with fair results, what else is good..Thanks in advance 

: >Clement



: If it's gas maybe try anise seeds 

: Bill



For cramps of any sort, I find that black cohosh works

quite well.



I make a strong decoction, strain it, add a small amount

of myrrh, and bring it back to a boil.  I keep this in 

the refrigerator for use whenever a cramp or muscle ache

strikes.



A teaspoon at a time seems to do the trick.  I don't know

if there is any toxicity at high doses.  All the references

I have seen indicate that it is safe, except for the obvious

contraindication in pregnancy, where you don't want to be

fooling around with contractions.  In any case, Neither

I nor anyone in my family has ever needed more than 

four teaspoons to take care of the problem.



-------- Paul A. Cook











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Subject: Re: Cramps

From: Susan Campbell <Susan@suedon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:29:28 +0000

--------

In article <5ecbcm$9fm@hpcc48.corp.hp.com>, pcook@a4455apc.esr.hp.com

writes

>The Goslings (bgosling@interlog.com) wrote:

>: In article <32FC8F31.3093@wt.net>, Pegasus <cmggcg@wt.net> wrote:

>: >Does anyone know what herbs I can use to relieve stomach cramps.  My

>: >wife gets them real bad, and the docter told us it was gas. I used

>: >Chamomile with fair results, what else is good..Thanks in advance 

>: >Clement

>

>: If it's gas maybe try anise seeds 

>: Bill

>

>For cramps of any sort, I find that black cohosh works

>quite well.

>

>I make a strong decoction, strain it, add a small amount

>of myrrh, and bring it back to a boil.  I keep this in 

>the refrigerator for use whenever a cramp or muscle ache

>strikes.

>

>A teaspoon at a time seems to do the trick.  I don't know

>if there is any toxicity at high doses.  All the references

>I have seen indicate that it is safe, except for the obvious

>contraindication in pregnancy, where you don't want to be

>fooling around with contractions.  In any case, Neither

>I nor anyone in my family has ever needed more than 

>four teaspoons to take care of the problem.

>

>-------- Paul A. Cook

>

>

>

I'm from the UK (and a newbie here) - I'm sorry if this is an FAQ, but

could someone tell me other names for black cohosh and myrrh?  I've

never heard of the former, and the latter only biblically.

-- 

Susan Campbell





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alternative Health Links Page

From: Brian <busy_body@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 22:49:12 +0800

--------

There are some interesting Alternative health Links here



http://village.ios.com/~pokey4





x





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Subject: Memory

From: wj353@freenet.Victoria.BC.CA (Beverley Wheelhouse)

Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 16:24:43 GMT

--------



Looking for a herb that will enhance memory m have glinko biloba.  Are there others.  Also looking for a store that sells herbs in bulk.  In Courtenay the

herb store on Cliff Ave. sells in bulk and it is much more reasonable than the

capsules.





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Subject: St. John's Wort & pregnancy

From: "Nite Flame" <NitFlame@vnet.net>

Date: 8 Feb 1997 17:31:15 GMT

--------

Should St. John's wort be avoided if your pregnant?  Also, some

anti-depressant's (like prozac) seem to kill creativity, does SJW have

simular side-effects?

TIA

Niteflame





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & pregnancy

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 9 Feb 1997 23:28:58 GMT

--------

"Nite Flame" <NitFlame@vnet.net> wrote:

>Should St. John's wort be avoided if your pregnant? 





I can't think of any reason to.  As a matter of fact, a salve or cream of 

Hypericum would be good to rub on your tummy & breasts and later, on the 

babys bottom.



 Also, some

>anti-depressant's (like prozac) seem to kill creativity, does SJW have

>simular side-effects?



My experience has been just the opposite.  Hypericum derived 

non-depression opens my eyes to the good around me.



It's not good to be depressed when you're carrying a new life.  Think of 

the 'sunny yellow flowers' and know that spring *will* come... ;>



>TIA

>Niteflame



Deb

-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & pregnancy

From: "Nite Flame" <NitFlame@vnet.net>

Date: 10 Feb 1997 22:35:09 GMT

--------

Greetings Deb

I have never heard of a Hypericum salve or cream- What exactly does it do? 

Why would you want to rub it especially on tummy or breasts? and the baby's

bottom?  Thanks for any inf. that you can give me.

Niteflame

> >Should St. John's wort be avoided if your pregnant? 

 

> I can't think of any reason to.  As a matter of fact, a salve or cream of



> Hypericum would be good to rub on your tummy & breasts and later, on the 

> babys bottom.







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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & pregnancy

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 12 Feb 1997 08:55:06 GMT

--------

"Nite Flame" <NitFlame@vnet.net> wrote:

>Greetings Deb

>I have never heard of a Hypericum salve or cream- What exactly does it do? 

>Why would you want to rub it especially on tummy or breasts? and the baby's

>bottom?  Thanks for any inf. that you can give me.

>Niteflame

>> >Should St. John's wort be avoided if your pregnant? 

> 

>> I can't think of any reason to.  As a matter of fact, a salve or cream of

>

>> Hypericum would be good to rub on your tummy & breasts and later, on the 

>> babys bottom.

>



Hypericum salve or cream is made from a base of Hypericum infused in oil. 

 To make your own infused oil, crush the flowers [or flowering tops] and 

put in a glass jar, cover with oil [ I like to try different oils--some 

work better on my skin than others, ie: olive is a good cleanser, nut 

oils absorb better on my face ]  Cap the jar, set it in the sun, wait a 

week [or so] until it is a beautiful red color.  Strain off the oil, let 

it set a few days and pour the clear oil off the top.  The brown gunk in 

the bottom has water in it, and will cause your oil to spoil in storage.



To make a salve:  Heat the oil over boiling water until it is warm enough 

to melt the beeswax you added to it [about 1 oz -grated melts faster- to 

1 pint oil--but you might want a softer or stiffer salve, so experiment]

Add a few drops essential oil if you want [for synergy, not aroma--you'd 

need a lot of essential oil to cover the Hypericum smell] and store in a 

closed container.



To make a cream--there are a lot of recipies out there, I haven't found 

one that pleases me...yet.



Hypericum used topically can be an antiseptic.  It is good for localized 

nerve pains ie: sprains and cramps, it is good for burns, scrapes, 

bruises & sores.  It can be used for any muscle or nerve pain.  [For me 

it's a *wonder herb* as in, 'I wonder how I ever lived without it!]



When you are pregnant and your belly & breasts are stretching as far as 

they can, it hurts.  [He's almost 25 & I still remember]  ;>   A dr or 

midwife should have already told you to massage oil, salve, cream [or 

something] onto your body to help preserve elasticity.  In my experience, 

hypericum stops the pain associated with the stretching.  It stops the 

'itch' of scarred tissue, stretch marks etc. [even years later--so think 

what it could do at the time] 



The antiseptic properties of Hypericum should prevent diaper rash.



May the little yellow flowers bring sunshine into your life.  ;>



Deb



-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Oregano

From: cookien@aol.com (Cookie N)

Date: 8 Feb 1997 18:25:14 GMT

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Does anyone have any information about oregano?  Thanks in advance...



Cookie





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Subject: Re: Oregano

From: smartbomb1@aol.com (Smartbomb1)

Date: 10 Feb 1997 01:07:21 GMT

--------

I'm not that familiar with the properties of oregano, but i do know that

it is getting popular as an essential oil.





Oshadia (an essential oil company) is the only place I know of that makes

it.



I'd be interested in what it does as well.



www.smartbomb.com

your source for smartdrugs, herbal alterntives, energizers, relaxants, cleansers and more!





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Oregano

From: thymetoo@direct.ca

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 14:18:51 -0700

--------

The main contstituent of Oregano essential oil is thymol. This EO also

contains bitter compounds and tannins. It is used externally for

gargles, linaments, inhalents and bath products. We make some every year

from our certified organic oregano (the flowering branches are

delightful in dried flower arrangements too!) but are now out for the

season.



Another Thyme,

Lilith

http://mypage.direct.ca/t/thymetoo/anotherthyme.html

-- 

If you're not OUTRAGED, you're not paying attention. Support organic

farming.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Anyone want to share?

From: jpando@orion.it.luc.edu (Jenny Pando)

Date: 8 Feb 1997 19:26:40 GMT

--------

Hi!  I'm looking to start a medicinal herb garden, but have heard that

many herbs will not grow from seed, and are best when grown from an

existing plant.  Does anyone know which plants grow well from seeds and

which don't?  And where can I find someone who will be willing to give me

cuttings from their existing plants?  I understand that many of these are

weeds and can run a garden rampant, but I live in Chicago and don't know

*any* herbalists at all :(  Ah, to be the lonely one... Anyway, I've been

using dried herbs that I buy at health food stores or through mail-order

catalogues, but would like to grow my own so that I can get a better

quality medicinal herb and be more in touch with the properties of the

plants themselves.  I'd like to take a class, but don't know how to find

one.  Any suggestions?  Anyone in Chicago?  



THanks for any info!

JEn





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Subject: Re: Anyone want to share?

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 02:44:50 +0000

--------

In article <5dik1g$d3r@artemis.it.luc.edu>, Jenny Pando

<jpando@orion.it.luc.edu> writes

>Hi!  I'm looking to start a medicinal herb garden, but have heard that

>many herbs will not grow from seed, and are best when grown from an

>existing plant.  Does anyone know which plants grow well from seeds and

>which don't?  And where can I find someone who will be willing to give me

>cuttings from their existing plants?  I understand that many of these are

>weeds and can run a garden rampant, but I live in Chicago and don't know

>*any* herbalists at all :(  Ah, to be the lonely one... Anyway, I've been

>using dried herbs that I buy at health food stores or through mail-order

>catalogues, but would like to grow my own so that I can get a better

>quality medicinal herb and be more in touch with the properties of the

>plants themselves.  I'd like to take a class, but don't know how to find

>one.  Any suggestions?  Anyone in Chicago?  

>

>THanks for any info!

>JEn



Try a good garden centre, most in the UK. sell many ready grown herbs in

pots, I am sure the same thing is available in the U.S.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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Subject: Re: Anyone want to share?

From: Siri Soderblom <siri@sys1.inforel.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:10:32 -0600

--------

On 8 Feb 1997, Jenny Pando wrote:



> Hi!  I'm looking to start a medicinal herb garden, but have heard that

> many herbs will not grow from seed, and are best when grown from an

> existing plant.  Does anyone know which plants grow well from seeds and

> which don't?  And where can I find someone who will be willing to give me

> cuttings from their existing plants?  I understand that many of these are

> weeds and can run a garden rampant, but I live in Chicago and don't know

> *any* herbalists at all :(  Ah, to be the lonely one... Anyway, I've been

> using dried herbs that I buy at health food stores or through mail-order

> catalogues, but would like to grow my own so that I can get a better

> quality medicinal herb and be more in touch with the properties of the

> plants themselves.  I'd like to take a class, but don't know how to find

> one.  Any suggestions?  Anyone in Chicago?  

> 

> THanks for any info!

> JEn

> 

> 

Hi Jen.  



There's a really wonderful herb farm a few hours northwest of Chicago, if 

you've got a car...it's called Blue Hollow Herb Farm and is in 

Stockton...not too far from Galena.  If this is an option for you, I'll 

happily dig out the address, etc., but since I've recently moved, finding 

anything is a challenge.  I just wanted to post a reply to you before I 

kept reading and got all caught up again!



Also, a good start in the city is Fertile Delta on Lincoln Avenue.  They 

don't have everything you'll probably want, but they do have more than 

just your standard kitchen herbs.  



Please post to me at my regular e'mail addy, as I visit here 

infrequently...but I very much enjoy my ramblings through 

alt.folklore.herbs...



Good luck!



Siri in Chicago, too

siri@inforel.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anyone want to share?

From: kristinae@aol.com (Kristina E)

Date: 12 Feb 1997 17:24:39 GMT

--------

You might try your local farmers market, or flower moarket. I'm sure there

a many in the Chicagoland area. They will often have herbs available that

you can transplant!





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Use of Medicinal herbs in history

From: tetenh@crosslink.net (Howard Teten)

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 21:11:26 GMT

--------

I am interested in what types of medicinal herbs were used in northern

europe during the period between 950 and 1200 AD.  Information

concering either the name and use of the herb(s) or suggestions

regarding sources of such information would be greatly appreciated.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for weight loss

From: grabec@aol.com

Date: 9 Feb 1997 01:17:03 GMT

--------

I loved the comment from somone in this group that mentioned that all

things that are supposed to work for weight loss come from "afar." That is

so true. I think that about all cures for things. Why can't we do them

ourselves. Why do we always have to rely on the "experts from arar."  A

big reason I subscribe to many newsgroups is so I can learn to take care

of myself.



Now, on to another topic. I for one appreciate anything anyone publishes

about weight loss. I do feel that the only people that do not understand

weight problems are the ones who do not have the problem. And I can tell

you that after 30 years of struggling with my weight no amount of

"changing my lifestyle, using will power or any of that nonsense has ever

worked for me." Some powerful drugs and herbs have. I have, for the first

time in my life, lost and maintained for two years a 55 pounds weight

loss.



So, anyone who tells me about any kinds of herbs that help weight loss, I

thank you. They may or may not work but I try to keep an open mind about

anything, as you never know. And I loved a quote I use often, something to

the effect of, "An attitude   that will doom a man to ever lasting

ignorance is contempt prior to investigation." 



I speak only for myself based on my own personal experience.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for weight loss

From: "Margo" <margo@q-net.net.au>

Date: 10 Feb 1997 06:59:56 GMT

--------

grabec@aol.com wrote in article

<19970209011701.UAA15291@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> So, anyone who tells me about any kinds of herbs that help weight loss, I

> thank you. They may or may not work but I try to keep an open mind about

> anything, as you never know. And I loved a quote I use often, something

to

> the effect of, "An attitude   that will doom a man to ever lasting

> ignorance is contempt prior to investigation." 

> 

> I speak only for myself based on my own personal experience.

>

Hello Grabec



I don't know whether you have seen this page, but I recently came across it

and saw the recipe for appetite suppressant used to promote weight loss. I

hope its helpful. :)

http://www.cam.org/~jennyb/gypsy.html

 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Childs Ear Infection

From: grabec@aol.com

Date: 9 Feb 1997 01:17:06 GMT

--------

I would also add to the regime of garlic oil in a childs ear to check into

homeopathy for ear infections. I cured my son of them with homeopathy by

buying a good book like The Family Guide to Homeopathy by Lockie. And when

I would put the garlic oil in my son's ears I would place a small amount

of Vicks vapor rub on the cotton and place that , Vicks side in, as it

supplied some warmth which is excellent for an ear infection.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Childs Ear Infection

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 13 Feb 1997 16:36:02 -0700

--------

Lynn Eberle <eberle@qnet.com> wrote:



>My son (age 9) is complaining of ear pain for two days now.  He just was

>at the end of a bad cold so I suspect and ear infection.  I really don't

>want to use antibiotics again on him (he gets strep several times a

>year) and had heard of using Garlic Oil for this problem.  Could someone

>tell me how to make the oil and how much to use?

>Thanks so much----Lynn



one garlic clove with about 8 pin holes in it inserted in ear  OR

cotton with ti tree oil  (just a few drops)







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Childs Ear Infection

From: lisastag@aa.net (Lisa)

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 02:27:59 GMT

--------

Homeopathic Aconite or Belladonna 30x has always stopped an ear

infection within hours. You should find a naturopathic or homeopathic

practioner to assist you or find the book " Homeopathic Medicine for

Children & Infants" by Dana Ullman, M.P.H. It's not easy to learn but

it sure is worth it.

Also I would coat the garic with olive oil to prevent burning which

may occur. 

Do not use garlic with homeopathics, strong scent may render it

useless.

 









phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores) wrote:



>Lynn Eberle <eberle@qnet.com> wrote:



>>My son (age 9) is complaining of ear pain for two days now.  He just was

>>at the end of a bad cold so I suspect and ear infection.  I really don't

>>want to use antibiotics again on him (he gets strep several times a

>>year) and had heard of using Garlic Oil for this problem.  Could someone

>>tell me how to make the oil and how much to use?

>>Thanks so much----Lynn



>one garlic clove with about 8 pin holes in it inserted in ear  OR

>cotton with ti tree oil  (just a few drops)





--



Lisa







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To: eberle@gnet.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Childs Ear Infection

From: Folklore Center <folklore@northlink.com>

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:20:31 -0800

--------

You can get more information on garlic uses (including how to make garlic 

oil) in:



"The Ten Essential Herbs"

by Lalitha Thomas



Lisa wrote:

> 

> Homeopathic Aconite or Belladonna 30x has always stopped an ear

> infection within hours. You should find a naturopathic or homeopathic

> practioner to assist you or find the book " Homeopathic Medicine for

> Children & Infants" by Dana Ullman, M.P.H. It's not easy to learn but

> it sure is worth it.

> Also I would coat the garic with olive oil to prevent burning which

> may occur.

> Do not use garlic with homeopathics, strong scent may render it

> useless.

> 

> 

> phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores) wrote:

> 

> >Lynn Eberle <eberle@qnet.com> wrote:

> 

> >>My son (age 9) is complaining of ear pain for two days now.  He just was

> >>at the end of a bad cold so I suspect and ear infection.  I really don't

> >>want to use antibiotics again on him (he gets strep several times a

> >>year) and had heard of using Garlic Oil for this problem.  Could someone

> >>tell me how to make the oil and how much to use?

> >>Thanks so much----Lynn

> 

> >one garlic clove with about 8 pin holes in it inserted in ear  OR

> >cotton with ti tree oil  (just a few drops)

> 

> --

> 

> Lisa





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Subject: Re: Childs Ear Infection

From: Julie Ann Vosika <vosikaja@freenet.msp.mn.us>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:08:55 -0600

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n



On 9 Feb 1997 grabec@aol.com wrote:



> I would also add to the regime of garlic oil in a childs ear to check into

> homeopathy for ear infections. I cured my son of them with homeopathy by

> buying a good book like The Family Guide to Homeopathy by Lockie. And when

> I would put the garlic oil in my son's ears I would place a small amount

> of Vicks vapor rub on the cotton and place that , Vicks side in, as it

> supplied some warmth which is excellent for an ear infection.

> 

> 

 I would try going to a chiropracter, I had chronic earinfections went to 

a chiropracter, haven't had another one since.  It's been over 4 years









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Subject: Herbal  Detox

From: al.mccavery@cygnus.softnet.co.uk

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 20:11:06 -0600

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To naturally eliminate toxins from the body ,prepare a tonic of  -verbena

 -lemon peel  -camomile  -ash  -mint  Mix 50 grams of each plant in a

saucepan of boiling water.Allow  to boil for 10 minutes .Drink, and 

recover !  For more info and tonics ,send an e-mail .



                                                Al McCavery



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Subject: Mild Depression

From: Lynn Eberle <eberle@qnet.com>

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 19:23:06 -0800

--------

I had heard the Seratonin was good to take for mild depression.  Has

anyone heard this?  I have a friend that is showing signs of early

depression due to stress and lack of sleep.  I told her I would check

this newsgroup since she does not have access to the web yet.

Thanks so much,

Lynn







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re:intersticial cystitis

From: Klondike <nospam@emory.edu>

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 22:56:10 -0500

--------

I've lost track of the initial posting, but there is an exhaustive list

of herbal protocols for isc at

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsMM/ISCHerbs.txt

-- 

Klondike

return e-mail to cmonson@emory.edu





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Subject: Mastitis

From: mpacord@aol.com (Mpacord)

Date: 9 Feb 1997 04:14:45 GMT

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I would be interested in any suggestions for treating mastitis with herbs.

 I assume that some sort of compresses would probably be of benefit

(suggestions?), but what about any teas, etc., to help?

As always, all opinions are purely those of the author, who accepts full responsibility for their ability to upset people.



Michael P.Acord, MD





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Subject: Re: Mastitis

From: rawles@oro.net (James W. Rawles)

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:40:42 -0800

--------

In article <19970209041401.XAA22911@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

mpacord@aol.com (Mpacord) wrote:



> I would be interested in any suggestions for treating mastitis with herbs.

>  I assume that some sort of compresses would probably be of benefit

> (suggestions?), but what about any teas, etc., to help?

> As always, all opinions are purely those of the author, who accepts full

responsibility for their ability to upset people.

> 

> Michael P.Acord, MD



Well I couldn't speak for human treatments, but I did cure my dairy goat. 

She had an elevated temp., hard hot lumpy udder, reduced prodction and

clotted milk.  I gave her a teaspoon of echinacea twice daily.  She was

completely well in a week.  She had no reoccurrence.



 Linda Rawles, Independent Distributor

 Dorling Kindersley Books          

    rawles@oro.net

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direct selling award winning books, videos, and

CD-ROMS to individuals, schools, and libraries.

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Subject: Stevia source

From: mpacord@aol.com (Mpacord)

Date: 9 Feb 1997 04:25:09 GMT

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Does anyone have a source for Stevia plants or seeds?  I understand that

they should grow well here in Southern California





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Subject: Re: Stevia source

From: Carole <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 00:30:22 -0600

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Try http://www/richters.com/ as they have plants available. They are 

located in Canada but also ship plants from the US so you should have no 

trouble getting one.





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Subject: Re: Tincture

From: mpacord@aol.com (Mpacord)

Date: 9 Feb 1997 04:30:43 GMT

--------

Tinctures are, by definition, alcohol extracts, and good directions are

available on the web.  Try Michael Moore's Home Page at the Southwestern

Botanical School (or something like that.  Sorry, but I don't have the

URL.  Try www.search.com for a good bunch of engines to search for it. 

It's well worth the effort.

As always, all opinions are purely those of the author, who accepts full responsibility for their ability to upset people.



Michael P.Acord, MD





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Subject: Pharmeceutical standards

From: schimpf@uniserve.com (Tracy)

Date: 9 Feb 1997 05:20:08 GMT

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Can someone explain pharmeceutical standardized extracts to me?  When

reading labels on echinacea products I see 6 1/2:1, 4:1 and 7:1.  Also

some mention echinosides (sp?) 3.5%, 5%.  What should I be buying?  My

most recent purchase said echinacea angustifolia 7:1, 5% echinosides.  Is

this good stuff or bad?

What about the products that say nothing?

Thanks



Tracy





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Subject: Re: Pharmeceutical standards

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 15:45:12 GMT

--------

On 9 Feb 1997 05:20:08 GMT, schimpf@uniserve.com (Tracy) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Can someone explain pharmeceutical standardized extracts to me?  When

>reading labels on echinacea products I see 6 1/2:1, 4:1 and 7:1.  



It's the other way around, right? 1:6,5, 1:4 and 1:7.



That means 1 part dried herb (by weight) corresponds to 6,5 parts (by volume) of

tincture. 

If it says 1:2 then it's made of fresh plant. Most (but not all) tinctures are

better when made out of fresh plant.



>Also

>some mention echinosides (sp?) 3.5%, 5%.  What should I be buying?  My

>most recent purchase said echinacea angustifolia 7:1, 5% echinosides.  Is

>this good stuff or bad?



Echinosides are the current 'active ingredients' in Echinacea (for how long?

until the guys in lab coats find something else). 

To get at 5 % standardized tincture/extract you need a lab, but the phrase

'standardized extract' does not guarantee quality.

Your best bet? Pick a local brand, and get to know the herbalist, if possible.



>What about the products that say nothing?



They are made without a lab.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Pharmeceutical standards

From: mk95528@navix.net (Digital books)

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 18:47:36 GMT

--------

On 9 Feb 1997 05:20:08 GMT, schimpf@uniserve.com (Tracy) wrote:



>Can someone explain pharmeceutical standardized extracts to me?  When

>reading labels on echinacea products I see 6 1/2:1, 4:1 and 7:1.  Also

>some mention echinosides (sp?) 3.5%, 5%.  What should I be buying?  My

>most recent purchase said echinacea angustifolia 7:1, 5% echinosides.  Is

>this good stuff or bad?

>What about the products that say nothing?

>Thanks

>

>Tracy



Check out this web page http://www.healthy.net

click on "site search" when the next page opens, click on "HealthWorld

Search" tap in "extracts" then click on the search. All kinds of stuff

you can't beat with a stick. This should help.



Sincerely;



Margie

It is easier for a king to have a lie believed than to have a beggar

to spread the truth 





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Subject: Re: Pharmeceutical standards

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 01:20:25 GMT

--------

schimpf@uniserve.com (Tracy) wrote:



>Can someone explain pharmeceutical standardized extracts to me?  When

>reading labels on echinacea products I see 6 1/2:1, 4:1 and 7:1.  



That means that the extract is equivalent to 6.5, 4, or 7 times the

amount of plain herb.



> Also

>some mention echinosides (sp?) 3.5%, 5%.  What should I be buying?  



That means the extract was analyzed by a lab which tested for that

substance and quantified it.



> My

>most recent purchase said echinacea angustifolia 7:1, 5% echinosides.  Is

>this good stuff or bad?



That means it was a 7 to 1 extract that tested for 5% echinosides.

That is the most I have seen at health food stores for an echinacea

extract.



>What about the products that say nothing?



They have not been tested in a lab.  Some products are good and

contain lots of active ingredients, some not.  A lot has to do with

the quality of the plants and the methods used in processing and

harvesting.



Not only extracts are standardized, some plain old herbs are as well.

I recommend using standardized potency non-extracted herbs when

possible.  Solaray and Nature's Herbs make a few.  However, many herbs

are not useful unless they are extracted since so much of it is

necessary to get an effect otherwise.  For example, some herbs are

extracted at a 50:1 ratio and the recommended dosage is two capsules.

That would mean 100 capsules of the raw herb would be necessary for

the same effect.



turf







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Subject: BEAN POD TEA....(KIDNEY BEANS FOR DIABETIS HELP)

From: puppylove1@aol.com (PuppyLove1)

Date: 9 Feb 1997 05:36:33 GMT

--------

Does anyone have any information on Bean Pod Tea?  This is a old herbal

remedy  to increase insulan and help Kidney problems.  Need as much

information as possible.  Thank you





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Brazillian Herbs Source?

From: spectrum@cyberline.com

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 06:43:58 GMT

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I am looking for a source for  the following herbs. I believe they are

Bazillian.



Chu Chu Huasi

Catuaba

Maca

Abuta



Any help would be appreciated



Roger

roger@cyberline.com

http://cyberline.com/health







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Subject: where to buy

From: Philip Barker <barker@hiron.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 07:22:20 +0000

--------

I received a couple of repies to the last posting, but unfortunately no

one seemed able to tell me wher I could buy hawthorn , as a tablet? to

make as a drink etc. also is skulcap available ( all in the uk please)

have tried local health food outlets but without success.

thanks

-- 

Philip Barker





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Subject: Re: where to buy

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 02:44:37 +0000

--------

In article <NMCNmBAssX$yEw5f@hiron.demon.co.uk>, Philip Barker

<barker@hiron.demon.co.uk> writes

>I received a couple of repies to the last posting, but unfortunately no

>one seemed able to tell me wher I could buy hawthorn , as a tablet? to

>make as a drink etc. also is skulcap available ( all in the uk please)

>have tried local health food outlets but without success.

>thanks



Scullcap is easily available at any herbal shop, 

Hawthorn is more difficult, you may  have to go out and get your own

from the source as it were. 

there are several good mail order herbalists in london. try the london

directory for them.

-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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Subject: Re: where to buy

From: Chris Rundle <chris@cpr.source.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:43:15 +0000

--------

Try sending for the following catalogues:

Phyto Products Ltd

Park Works, Park Road,

Mansfield Woodhouse,

Nottingham NG19 8EF

Tel 01623 644334

 - These are trade suppliers, so everything's really cheap, but comes in

500 gramme and 1 litre lots, but they stock LOADS of things that you

never heard of before!!



also:

Herbs of Grace

5, Turnpike Road,

Red Lodge,

Bury St Edmunds

Suffolk IP28 8JZ

Tel 01638 750140

 - a very helpful family herbalist mail order business - not so many

loose herbs/fluid extracts/tinctures etc., but quite a lot of their own

formulation remedies.





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Subject: Looking for help getting started, please read

From: riss@one.net (riss@sandra-bullock.com)

Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:45:41 -0600

--------

I'm a teenager living in Cincinnati ohio looking to learn more about herbs and 

herbalism. If anyone can help me get started of has any ideas on what I need, 

etc etc please mail me at riss@sandra-bullock.com





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Subject: Re: Looking for help getting started, please read

From: mk95528@navix.net (Digital books)

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 18:38:58 GMT

--------

On Sun, 9 Feb 1997 01:45:41 -0600, riss@one.net

(riss@sandra-bullock.com) wrote:



>I'm a teenager living in Cincinnati ohio looking to learn more about herbs and 

>herbalism. If anyone can help me get started of has any ideas on what I need, 

>etc etc please mail me at riss@sandra-bullock.com





NATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION

212 W. FOOTHILL BLVD

P.O. BOX 688

MONROVIA, CA. 91016



Sincerely;



Margie







.







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Subject: BURN MARKS

From: "RSI: Research Support Initiatives" <carol@cia.com.au>

Date: 9 Feb 1997 11:41:58 GMT

--------

Hi all!



A friend of mine recently had an accident where she knocked a pan of

boiling water over her bare chest.   Please don't ask how!   This happened

three months ago and although the skin has healed, her chest has been badly

scarred.  



I was wondering if anyone knows of any natural remedies which may alleviate

the discolouration that these burn marks have left her with.  Apparently

the accident has left the skin colour over her chest  a purplish hue.



Many thanks.







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Subject: Re: BURN MARKS

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 9 Feb 1997 11:04:01 -0700

--------

"RSI: Research Support Initiatives" <carol@cia.com.au> wrote:



>Hi all!



>This happened

>three months ago and although the skin has healed, her chest has been badly

>scarred.  

>I was wondering if anyone knows of any natural remedies which may alleviate

>the discolouration that these burn marks have left her with.  Apparently

>the accident has left the skin colour over her chest  a purplish hue.

  Hard as it might be ... just protect it from the sun and wait.

The skin will be "new" and not as sturdy as the original for

quite a while.  The less you do to it the better: soap and water,

a mild moisturizer and leave it alone. 



   First and foremost!  DON'T EXPOSE THAT SKIN TO SUNLIGHT! 

Scars can develop hyper-melanin - get much darker than the normal

skin color - if the skin sunburns.

   Scars take a while to settle into their final appearance: what

she is seeing might be due to the loss of subcutaneous fat in the

hypodermal layers  - It might re-infiltrate the area and make the

purplish blotching vanish.  (you would be seeing the reddish-blue

pigment of blood and myoglobin in tissue under the healed burn

.. that's the same reason premature babies are that ugly color:

no fat under the skin.)



  It could also be from the destruction of the melanin-producing

cells.  It's common in burns because the melanin producers are

not very far from the top, and the first skin is often very pale

(even on dark-skinned persons, which led one burn patient to dub

himself "Spot".  He was a very pretty cinnamon color, except for

the splash-burns left from an exploding gasoline tank.  Those

were quite white for a long time).  The pigmentation producers

often re-invade the area they were burned out of, but it's a slow

process.  The first sign would be a blurring of the edges of the

discolored places as the melanin cells multiply in form the

edges.





Callie



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Subject: Re: BURN MARKS

From: "Jack & Jerra Hill" <jhill@eastky.com>

Date: 12 Feb 1997 03:00:28 GMT

--------





RSI: Research Support Initiatives <carol@cia.com.au> wrote in article

<01bc1687$ebfdb500$05301ccb@Poodster.cia.com.au>...

> Hi all!

> 

> A friend of mine recently had an accident where she knocked a pan of

> boiling water over her bare chest.   Please don't ask how!   This

happened

> three months ago and although the skin has healed, her chest has been

badly

> scarred.  

> 

> I was wondering if anyone knows of any natural remedies which may

alleviate

> the discolouration that these burn marks have left her with.  Apparently

> the accident has left the skin colour over her chest  a purplish hue.

> 

> Many thanks.

> 

> 

i've tried white vinegar on purple scars (not burns) and had really good

results. it could be worth a try.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: lithium

From: rgaspers@olympus.net (rachel gaspers)

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 15:54:44 +0100

--------

   does anyone know what food and herbs have lithium in them? might there

be a book or other references where i could get such information?  Thanks

for any help--rachel





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Subject: Re: lithium

From: BLZ Bub <ffb@webspan.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 15:41:18 -0800

--------

rachel gaspers wrote:

> 

>    does anyone know what food and herbs have lithium in them? might there

> be a book or other references where i could get such information?  Thanks

> for any help--rachel



Some mineral waters have lithium mentioned as being present in

measurable amounts. But, the therapeutic dosage could hardly be attained

by drinking or eating foods containing it, as it is present in trace

amounts. 

Are you also aware that the therapeutic dosage of lithium is very close

to the toxic dose, and can cause liver damage at even lower levels?



If you are thinking about lithium as a preventative for bipolar

depression, you can't get enough in your food to make that much of a

difference. Bipolar depression is not caused by a deficiency of lithium,

but is a symptom of an underlying condition, one that is controlled by

therapeutic doses of lithium carbonate, but that condition must first

exist. A person who is not suffering from bipolar depression will not

notice any effects from taking lithium, outside of bloating and

occasional gastrointestinal distress.



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Subject: Re: lithium

From: "Duquette et al" <minmei@ids.net>

Date: 11 Feb 1997 04:09:22 GMT

--------

BLZ Bub <ffb@webspan.net> wrote in article <32FFB21E.57A1@webspan.net>...

> rachel gaspers wrote:

> > 

> >    does anyone know what food and herbs have lithium in them? might

there

> > be a book or other references where i could get such information? 

Thanks

> > for any help--rachel

> 

> Some mineral waters have lithium mentioned as being present in

> measurable amounts. But, the therapeutic dosage could hardly be attained

> by drinking or eating foods containing it, as it is present in trace

> amounts. 

> Are you also aware that the therapeutic dosage of lithium is very close

> to the toxic dose, and can cause liver damage at even lower levels?

> 

> If you are thinking about lithium as a preventative for bipolar

> depression, you can't get enough in your food to make that much of a

> difference. Bipolar depression is not caused by a deficiency of lithium,

> but is a symptom of an underlying condition, one that is controlled by

> therapeutic doses of lithium carbonate, but that condition must first

> exist. A person who is not suffering from bipolar depression will not

> notice any effects from taking lithium, outside of bloating and

> occasional gastrointestinal distress.



Will lithium have an effect on a person with Major Depression, or does it

just work with Bipolar?

	minmei





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Subject: Re: lithium

From: BLZ Bub <ffb@webspan.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:40:12 -0800

--------

Duquette et al wrote:



> Will lithium have an effect on a person with Major Depression, or does it

> just work with Bipolar?



Not being an MD, I cannot say for sure, but I have been led to believe

that the two conditions are different disorders with different

etiologies. It would make sense that this is so, as the treatment for

both disorders requires different drugs in most cases. Whether lithium

would work for Major Depression should be discussed by a medical

professional who has experience in treating them. I would not suggest

that even if you could acquire a large enough supply of lithium to treat

this disorder that you self medicate yourself wit it, as  the

therapeutic dosage is VERY CLOSE to the toxic dosage. Even when it is

administered by an MD, the patient is closely monitored via blood work

to ensure that hepatotoxicity is not occurring. My mother was treated

with this, and she had to go for a blood test once or twice a month to

make sure that she wasn't getting liver damage from it.



I'm sorry that I had to fake my E-mail address here, but everytime I

post in this group, I get hit with tons of UCE from "snake oil" salesmen

intent on separating me from what little money I have.







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Subject: Re: lithium

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:48:35 GMT

--------

rgaspers@olympus.net (rachel gaspers) wrote:



>   does anyone know what food and herbs have lithium in them? might there

>be a book or other references where i could get such information?  Thanks

>for any help--rachel



Kal Amino Minerals, a popular brand available widely, contains 50 mg

lithium per dose (plus a good source of cal/mag and other minerals.)



turf







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lithium

From: starrin@exis.net (starrin)

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:39:15 GMT

--------

And the normal initial dose of lithium is about 900 mg/day.



turf@mindspring.com (turf) wrote:

>Kal Amino Minerals, a popular brand available widely, contains 50 mg

>lithium per dose (plus a good source of cal/mag and other minerals.)









           ROCK========>Roy Starrin<========HARD PLACE







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Subject: Re: lithium

From: cheezease@aol.com (CheezEase)

Date: 11 Feb 1997 06:11:18 GMT

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please also twell me what herb stores sell lithium.

I thought it was a prescription-ONLY medication?

-Rev. MeO





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Subject: Re: lithium

From: "phd" <phd@lynx.bc.ca>

Date: 12 Feb 1997 09:32:18 GMT

--------





rachel gaspers <rgaspers@olympus.net> wrote in article

<rgaspers-0902971554440001@ptpm027.olympus.net>...

>    does anyone know what food and herbs have lithium in them? might there

> be a book or other references where i could get such information?  Thanks

> for any help--rachel

> 

The trace mineral liquid from Trace Minerals Research, Utah is quite high

in lithium I think







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Subject: Re: lithium

From: wolf <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:53:32 -0800

--------

rachel gaspers wrote:

>

>    does anyone know what food and herbs have lithium in them? might

there

> be a book or other references where i could get such information?

Thanks

> for any help--rachel



An authority on Lithium is Vincent K. K. Tam who co-outhored:



Lithium (Li) Augments the rise in Intracellular Ca2+([Ca2+]i) elicited

by Calciotropic Hormones in Osteoblastic(OB) cells

Authors: Vincent K. K. Tam, C.R. Kleeman, J. Green

Division of Nephrology, Department of Medicine, Cedars-Sinai Medical

Center/UCLA School of Medicine, Los Angeles, California, U.S.A.



If you search with Alta Vista you will get more information on him.



Hope this will help

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Subject: TJ Clark formula -- where?

From: jc-stapp@ix.netcom.com(Jonathan Stapp)

Date: 9 Feb 1997 19:23:26 GMT

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I've done an AltaVista search on:

TJ-Clark

T.J.-Clark

T-J-Clark, and

T.-J.-Clark

Got lots of results, but find I am wasting my time wading through

all the MLM scheme pages.



Question:  Anyone know if I can buy the Clark colloidal minerals

formula directly from TJ Clark Co. or its distributer?  No doubt, 

the cost of the formula at its source would be very small , as it

would not be supporting countless MLMers.  (Not a flame; MLM if

you want -- *I* don't want to.)



TIA (If this is the wrong NG for this question, please point me

in the right direction),



-jon





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Subject: Pau D`Arco and Discoid Lupus

From: ian@idirect.com (Ian)

Date: 9 Feb 97 19:29:28 UTC

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Has anyone ever used Pau D`Arco for Discoid Lupus or SLE? Ian





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Subject: Re: Pau D`Arco and Discoid Lupus

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 01:22:29 GMT

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ian@idirect.com (Ian) wrote:



>Has anyone ever used Pau D`Arco for Discoid Lupus or SLE? Ian



One anecdote on this newsgroup was of someone who was asymptomatic as

long as she had her pau d'arco tea daily (for 20 years).  I would

recommend using a more rigorous antiparasitic regimen.



turf







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Subject: Growing Echinacea?

From: Sanders <sander@hargray.com>

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 15:08:54 -0500

--------

Does anyone know anything about growing enchinacea?  I found some seed

for a perennial flower called enchinacea.  Is this the same as the herb?

Thanks for any information.

Mary





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Subject: Re: Growing Echinacea?

From: Connie Monson <nospam@emory.edu>

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 21:23:51 -0500

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Sanders wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know anything about growing enchinacea?  I found some seed

> for a perennial flower called enchinacea.  Is this the same as the herb?

> Thanks for any information.

> Mary

Yes, it's probably echinacea purpurea, the most common of the

echinaceas, with a lovely, purple flower.  It's easy to grow in most

parts of the country, but make sure if you plant it in the spring that

you cold stratify it first (put it in the freezer for six weeks or

so)--that mimics the conditions under which it grows naturally.  It will

take about three years for optimal root growth, after which time you can

divide the roots, take what you need, and replant the rest.



Good luck and good for you for cultivating a great plant,

-- 

Klondike

return e-mail to cmonson@emory.edu





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Subject: Re: Growing Echinacea?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 9 Feb 1997 19:49:01 -0700

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Sanders <sander@hargray.com> wrote:



>Does anyone know anything about growing enchinacea?  I found some seed

>for a perennial flower called enchinacea.  Is this the same as the herb?

  "Purple Coneflower" is the common name for echinacea.  It is

supposedly easy to grow in well-drained, sunny locations.  I'm

trying it ... the seeds are sprouting.  Question here is can it

take the summer heat?  I'll spread it around in several locations

and see which works.

  It is a short-lived perennial (3-5 years)

Callie



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Subject: Re: Growing Echinacea?

From: ccjs@cse.bris.ac.uk (J. G. Simpson)

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:38:38 GMT

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If it's Echinacea the seeds are roughly conical, with a pointed

and a flat end. Two main varieties angustifolia and purpura, guess

you'll never know as they both produce purplish flowers.  Can be

hard to germinate.  Divide quantity of seed into two, plant each

in general purpose (I use peat and sand mix) compost.  Leave one

lot to germinate normally, put other lot, 10 - 14 days later, in

their seed tray, or pot, into a plastic bag and into the deep freeze

for a couple of months, then alongside first lot at room temp.



Second, deep freeze lot, may germinate better.  Usually germinate

in about 4 weeks, but I've had some of those at room temp. 

germinate up to a year after sowing.  Conical seeds are typically

about one eighth inch long (some may be a bit shorter).  After

germination you get the two initial "typical seed" rounded leaves

from in the middle of which spring two or more narrow elongated

leaves of typical Echinacea form, then you KNOW you've got

Echinacea.  Four seasons down the road (and harvest the seeds as

you go for further planting) you'll have a small Echinacea farm.

You can save a couple of years by finding a specialist herbal

nursery and buying a few plants, they are not dear.  It's worth

the effort, the harvested root is often expensive, and the fresh

home grown beats it hands down.  E. purpura seeds often found in

general seed catalogs as the Purple Cone Flower producing a daisy

like, slightly shaggy, purple flower head, on long stalks.  May

need staking/supporting if grown in windy locations.

  

Sanders (sander@hargray.com) wrote:

: Does anyone know anything about growing enchinacea?  I found some seed

: for a perennial flower called enchinacea.  Is this the same as the herb?

: Thanks for any information.

: Mary



-- 

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Serpentwood

From: glenngr@aol.com (GlennGr)

Date: 9 Feb 1997 21:09:14 GMT

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What a neat group.  

I'm looking for a source of Serpentwood and having no luck. Any

recommendations?

I hear it has effects similar to St. John's Wort, which I take for

depression (with excellent results) but find that I become habituated to

it.  So I'm curious to find a good alternate for it.  Any suggestions

would be greatly appreciated.  I can't say what a good effect St. John 's

Wort has had on my life in recent months, it's made an incredible

difference.

-Thanks







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Subject: St. John's Wort & Prozac?

From: "DMM" <dewey@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: 9 Feb 1997 21:11:01 GMT

--------

I've been taking Prozac, (for Panic/anxiety), succesfully for about 16

months.

3 months ago my doctor suggested that I should start decreasing my dosage

from 30 mgs/day to 10mgs/day and so-on, (over a 4 month period), until I'm

completely free of the med.



My question is " If have a "relapse of anxiety" during my "weening-off"

period, would St. John's wort help to minimize the anxiety? If not, any

suggestions?



Please no flames. . . I'm just a ordinary/unsophisticated guy looking for a

"natrual" and , hopefully, less expensive alternative to Prozac.



Thanks. . .DMM





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & Prozac?

From: arthame@aol.com (Arthame)

Date: 11 Feb 1997 15:44:20 GMT

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St. John's Wort acts as a MOAI and therefore should not be combined with

any SSRI (Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, etc). SJW's antidepressant qualities

probably would not help anxiety unless your anxiety is caused by

underlying depression. Taking SJW with a SSRI should be avoided. If you do

decide to switch, wait 14 days before starting SJW.



Also, my personal experience is that if you have a serious clinical

depression and a SSRI has helped you stick with the SSRI. SSRIs for most

people have few side effects (for me only a bit of insomnia) and their

metabolites are mostly harmless. 



Good luck,



Arthame





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & Prozac?

From: ottergirl2@aol.com (Ottergirl2)

Date: 22 Feb 1997 17:50:09 GMT

--------

I've been reading alot about St. John's Wort recently, and from what I've

read it acts as an SSRI and should not be taken with an MOAI (not the

other way around).  Check out the Hypericum home page-- I heard about it

from the OCD mailing list and it's where I've been getting alot of my info

at it.  It's at http://www.hypericum.com/

I've been cutting down on Zoloft for the past few weeks, from 75 mg to 50

to 25 (a week at a time) and today I didn't take any.  When I began to cut

down on Zoloft I started taking St. John's wort along with some other

herbs that  a friend recommended and I feel great!  I wasn't sure if what

I was doing was a good idea, but now I'm happy I did it.  I had several

reasons for switching, but one of them is that we would like to have

another child eventually and I was told that Zoloft caused birth defects

so I decided to get off it now and switch to something more natural.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: A excellant book of Healing

From: "james" <james@atomic.net>

Date: 9 Feb 1997 21:20:36 GMT

--------

"Prescription for Nutritional Healing" 2nd edition(revised & expanded)  

by: James A. Balch,MD  &  Phyllis A. Balch,CNC                             

                                                



This book is a practical  A - Z  reference to drug-free remedies  using

vitamins, minerals, herbs & food supplements. It is a comprehensive &

up-to-date self-help approach to good health.



The book if divided into 3 parts. Part 1 explains & lists the various types

of nutrients, food supplements, & herbs found in health food stores &

drugstores....Part 2 describes common disorders, from acne to cancer to

yeast infection, & names the supplements that can be used to combat the

condition...Part 3 is a guide to traditional remedies & therapies that can

be used in conjunction with a nutrirional program.



Within this book; it provides the lastest research on herbal medicine and

much more.Written by a medical doctor & a certified nutritionist, this

newly revised book is written in an easy-to-understand style, this new

edition will fast become an indispensable health resource for  you & your

family.



sher@atomic.net







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Subject: Re: A excellant book of Healing

From: wolf <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:19:22 -0800

--------

james wrote:

> 

> "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" 2nd edition(revised & expanded)

> by: James A. Balch,MD  &  Phyllis A. Balch,CNC

> 

> 

> This book is a practical  A - Z  reference to drug-free remedies  using

> vitamins, minerals, herbs & food supplements. It is a comprehensive &

> up-to-date self-help approach to good health.

>

major snip snip



I agree, I am still working with the first edition but it has very

useful information in there for alternative practitioners.



Wolfgang

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Subject: Loose Teeth?

From: davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano)

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 22:45:35 GMT

--------

Hello..does anyone know a herbal product that will help with loose

teeth, to strngthen them and make them tighter? What about comfrey? I

appreciate your reply to davecam@prgone.com.......Thanks...Dave





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Loose Teeth?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 02:30:51 GMT

--------



davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano) wrote:



>Hello..does anyone know a herbal product that will help with loose

>teeth, to strngthen them and make them tighter? 



Instead of herbs I would more recommend a good multivitamin

(like Richard's Special One or Twinlab Daily One or Now Vit-Mins

100+ ) and a good multimineral (like Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate or

Now Calcium Citrate (includes magnesium)).  Then, for a good 

source of silica, eat oatmeal twice a week.  This is assuming

there is no bacterial infection of the mouth.



turf







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Subject: Re: Loose Teeth?

From: Buresh <tburhead.remove@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 07:25:34 -0600

--------

turf wrote:

> 

> davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano) wrote:

> 

> >Hello..does anyone know a herbal product that will help with loose

> >teeth, to strngthen them and make them tighter?

> 

> Instead of herbs I would more recommend a good multivitamin

> (like Richard's Special One or Twinlab Daily One or Now Vit-Mins

> 100+ ) and a good multimineral (like Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate or

> Now Calcium Citrate (includes magnesium)).  Then, for a good

> source of silica, eat oatmeal twice a week.  This is assuming

> there is no bacterial infection of the mouth.

> 

> turf

my jusband got his loose teeth to last a few more years by rubbing the

oil from a vitamin E capsule into his gums.  Actually he had to roughlt

massage his entire gum area.  He did this a couple of times a day and

then at night rinsed his mount some antibacterial mouthwash.



after 8 years of this...he finally lost them ...all...



but it did manage to give us time to save for the new pearly whites he

is wearing.....





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Subject: Re: Loose Teeth?

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:49:05 +0000

--------

In article <3300734E.5427@earthlink.net>, Buresh <tburhead.remove@earthl

ink.net> writes

>turf wrote:

>> 

>> davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano) wrote:

>> 

>> >Hello..does anyone know a herbal product that will help with loose

>> >teeth, to strngthen them and make them tighter?

Check with your dentist first to make sure you have no gum infections.

it could be that your gums are the problem rather than the teeth. 

A salt rub over the gums will often help.

>> 

>> Instead of herbs I would more recommend a good multivitamin

>> (like Richard's Special One or Twinlab Daily One or Now Vit-Mins

>> 100+ ) and a good multimineral (like Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate or

>> Now Calcium Citrate (includes magnesium)).  Then, for a good

>> source of silica, eat oatmeal twice a week.  This is assuming

>> there is no bacterial infection of the mouth.

>> 

>> turf

>my jusband got his loose teeth to last a few more years by rubbing the

>oil from a vitamin E capsule into his gums.  Actually he had to roughlt

>massage his entire gum area.  He did this a couple of times a day and

>then at night rinsed his mount some antibacterial mouthwash.

>

>after 8 years of this...he finally lost them ...all...

>

>but it did manage to give us time to save for the new pearly whites he

>is wearing.....



-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: Loose Teeth?

From: gecross@aol.com

Date: 12 Feb 1997 16:06:58 GMT

--------

In article <32fe5310.87672851@news.dx.net>, davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano) writes:



>

>Hello..does anyone know a herbal product that will help with loose

>teeth, to strngthen them and make them tighter? What about comfrey? I

>appreciate your reply to davecam@prgone.com.......Thanks...Dave

>

>



Loose teeth may be a sign of beginning gingivitis, especially if the gums bleed easily and are reddened and rounded where they meet the teeth.  You need to increase your dental hygiene, brushing after every meal and flossing 2-3 times a day and before bedtime.  Don't forget to get the back teeth too.  And gargle with a bacterial killer like listerine.



Teeth are made of calcium but it isn't the teeth that need strengthening, its the gums and connective tissues.  I'm sorry I can't look up the details tonight, have guests arriving shortly, but if you look into this and still need help, e-mail me and I'll research my library of herbal and homeopathic remedies.



Good luck.





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Subject: Re: Loose Teeth?

From: ccjs@cse.bris.ac.uk (J. G. Simpson)

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:45:17 GMT

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An irrigator is very good against any form of gum/tooth disorder

(I never got on with flossing).  Many proprietry irrigators

available, Sunpak, AquaPik, Dr. Woogs, Oral-B etc.  $50-$200 or so.

They flush food, and more importantly bugs and their food supply,

from between the teeth and from the gum tooth interface.



Not into the price I made one from a $5 hand, plastic pump up, sell

through, garden pressure sprayer, some one eighth screen wash tube,

and a few other bits.  Total cost about $8.  Flushes with warm

dilute saline solution.  Leaves mouth fresh, and rapidly got

rid of bleeding gums and other problems.  That was some 8 yrs

ago. Worn the first one out, have had to make another.

-- 

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



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Subject: Re: Loose Teeth?

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 13 Feb 1997 09:00:09 GMT

--------

I hope you have already checked with your dentist, there are so many

methods now to prevent tooth loss from conditions such as yours.



However, if you can't get to a dental clinic or afford a dentist-

A mouthwash made with Tea Tree Oil is a very effective antibacterial and

it helps to rub it on the gums.

Increase your vitamin C until you experience loose bowels and then back

off the dosage until the loose bowels stop and maintain that dosage (do

not do this if you have any kidney problems).

The other suggestions included in the previous posts are all helpful so I

won't repeat them, but I do have one suggestion:

I have seen this condition in some people with unsuspected

EDS-Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome.  Please look it up as space doesn't permit a

proper explanation here; there are over 13 types.  Particularly if you

have joint problems, "double jointedness," fingers that can be bent way

back, loose skin, babysoft skin, skin that scars easily even from small

wounds and scars that reopen later, and a long history of different

ailments that doctors cannot put their finger on.

Above all, do not accept this condition-fight it every inch of the way,

every day,

and save those teeth!

T.







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Subject: Re: Loose Teeth?

From: student4@voicenet.com

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 03:16:36 GMT

--------

davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano) wrote:



>Hello..does anyone know a herbal product that will help with loose

>teeth, to strngthen them and make them tighter? What about comfrey? I

>appreciate your reply to davecam@prgone.com.......Thanks...Dave

Try swishing bottled Aloe Vera gel around in your mouth twice a day.

Our dentist commented that whatever we had done (used the Aloe gel)

made a great difference in my husband's gums adhering back to the

tooth after invasive cleaning to treat gum disease. It performs as a

mild laxitive if you swallow it, so...  







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Boston

From: beep@channel1.com (Beep)

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 18:42:00 -0640

--------



I participated in a testosterone science study for the money, but

walked away amazed at the youthful feeling and sexual enhancements

brought on by taking the hormone.  I feel that the real benefits of

testosterone outweigh the possible harm.



Does anyone here know of a MD in the Boston/Brookline/Cambridge

area that is open to hormone replacement therapy?



I have heard that Arnold Swartzenegger and Lou Ferrignoe and

others lived near the Mexican border when they were in body

training so they would have easy access to Mexican pharmacies.

Does anyone here have any tips on buying testosterone in 

Mexico?



Please email Beep@channel1.com





... The highest result of knowledge is tolerance.

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12





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Subject: answer: herb lists

From: amateo <mehill@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>

Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 22:21:50 -0700

--------



	I think the question came up on this newsgroup as  to where herb

related mailing lists might be found...



check out:





http://www.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Mailing_Lists/



matt hill

boulder, co

usa







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: answer: herb lists

From: ibmarx@geocities.com (Ivan Marx)

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 10:27:37 GMT

--------

In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.970209221856.2024A-100000@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>,

   amateo <mehill@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> wrote:

>

>	I think the question came up on this newsgroup as  to where herb

>related mailing lists might be found...

>

>check out:

>

>

>http://www.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Internet/Mailing_Lists/

>

>matt hill

>boulder, co

>usa

>



another place worth checking out is http://www.lizt.com





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Subject: Interested in Essiac herbs...????

From: Shari Soza <soza@snowcrest.net>

Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 21:43:08 -0800

--------

I have the recipe posted at

http://www.snowcrest.net/soza/myessiac.htm



and I sell the dry mixture in 8 ounce packages.



Also read a copy of a recent speech I gave,

http://www.snowcrest.net/soza/health/lymphbr.htm



-- 

Shari Soza

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Subject: New FDA herb and supplement proposals on my site

From: hrbmoore@primenet.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 9 Feb 1997 22:52:37 -0700

--------

I have put up on my website homepage the acrobat file(.pdf), text file and

summary text for the proposed Current Good Manufacturing Practices from

the FDA.  They warrant our attention and response.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@primenet.com)



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

teaching and clinical manuals, over 1,000 medicinal plant 

images and class announcements can be obtained at my web site.





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Subject: Somniferum instructions from seed??

From: firebird@gate.net (Venom)

Date: 10 Feb 1997 08:10:37 GMT

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 Need info on all concerning meds from somniferum. How to begin from seed

to gum phase. Then laudenum and/or other meds for pain. Thanks











                                                  E.V.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Somniferum instructions from seed??

From: BCunningham <Bettyc@flyinggoat.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:44:37 -0800

--------

>  Need info on all concerning meds from somniferum. How to begin from seed

> to gum phase. Then laudenum and/or other meds for pain. Thanks



perhaps if you spoke of it correctly as Papaver somniferum-or Opium

poppy-you might get more info.

You can get seeds for an ornamental variety from Thomspon and Morgan as

well as Seeds of Change

The latex can kill you.



-Betty





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginkgo question

From: Jim Penwill <numbat@iinet.net.au>

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 03:16:10 -0800

--------

Has anyone tried eating Ginkgo leaves instead of using the 

extract?According to the bottle of extract you would have to eat 1 1/2 

grams per day which is not a hell of a lot.The bottle advises dosage 

three times a day.Why not once a day? I cant imagine being organised 

enough to take it 3 times a day. Any comments?   Jim





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Subject: Echinacea dosages

From: kiely@qni.com

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 13:46:04 GMT

--------

I had someone get me to try Echinacea and I've never tried herbs

before.  I am basically using it because I was sick and on antibiotics

all the time.  I started taking Echinacea a couple of weeks ago

because I started to get sick with a sore throat again and I was

better in 2 days without anti-biotics.  My question is how much and

how often do I take it?  It is my understanding that it can help

prevent getting sick as well, which to me means that I need to take it

every day.  However, I read on someone home page that a study was done

that it can suppress your immune system if you keep taking it.  So do

I only take it when I start feeling seek or do I just reduce the

dosage when I'm not sick?  Does anyone else use if or this and are

there any known side effects for taking it everyday?  Thanks for any

info!





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea dosages

From: yeahright@mylab.com (Dennis M.)

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:46:53 GMT

--------

kiely@qni.com wrote:



>I had someone get me to try Echinacea and I've never tried herbs

>before.  I am basically using it because I was sick and on antibiotics

>all the time.  I started taking Echinacea a couple of weeks ago

>because I started to get sick with a sore throat again and I was

>better in 2 days without anti-biotics.  My question is how much and

>how often do I take it?  It is my understanding that it can help

>prevent getting sick as well, which to me means that I need to take it

>every day.  However, I read on someone home page that a study was done

>that it can suppress your immune system if you keep taking it.  So do

>I only take it when I start feeling seek or do I just reduce the

>dosage when I'm not sick?  Does anyone else use if or this and are

>there any known side effects for taking it everyday?  Thanks for any

>info!

I've had pretty good lluck with this herb. I do not take it all the

time - just occasionally mix it in with my regimen of other things

including vitamins, bee pollen ect. When I feel a cold coming on I

dose right up on it maby up to 4- 380 mg caps a day.. It seems to

lessen the severity of the symptoms be it cold or flu and I get over

it quicker than I would otherwise. I just fought off a nasty sore

throat that could have dragged on for weeks (might have been strep)

over the weekend and it was a busy weekend too. I read somewhere that

its not good to take it all the time.. reserve it for when you need to

boost your body's defenses. I tend to rotate my herbal regimen for

that same reason. Good luck and keep your echinacea handy!

there is method to my MaDnEsS







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Subject: Re: Echinacea dosages

From: bgosling@interlog.com (The Goslings)

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 97 05:45:04 GMT

--------

In article <5dn8hr$4d2$1@scoop.suba.com>, kiely@qni.com wrote:

>I had someone get me to try Echinacea and I've never tried herbs

>before.  I am basically using it because I was sick and on antibiotics

>all the time.  I started taking Echinacea a couple of weeks ago

>because I started to get sick with a sore throat again and I was

>better in 2 days without anti-biotics.  My question is how much and

>how often do I take it?  It is my understanding that it can help

>prevent getting sick as well, which to me means that I need to take it

>every day.  However, I read on someone home page that a study was done

>that it can suppress your immune system if you keep taking it.  So do

>I only take it when I start feeling seek or do I just reduce the

>dosage when I'm not sick?  Does anyone else use if or this and are

>there any known side effects for taking it everyday?  Thanks for any

>info!



I've been taking a tincture of echinacea for all of my colds this winter. If 

I catch them early enough they go away. Now the tincture is of my own making 

using one ounce of ground herb to every pint of water steeping it for about 

30 minutes  and then mixing it at about a 5:1 strength with vodka for 

preservation. I take a teaspoon 3 times daily mixed with a large glass of 

water and 1000 mg of vitamin c. the only side effect has been the colds 

disappearence.

bill













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Subject: Re: Echinacea dosages

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:36:58 GMT

--------



Just to clarify the use of the term 'tincture' below: 



On Fri, 14 Feb 97 05:45:04 GMT, bgosling@interlog.com (The Goslings) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I've been taking a tincture of echinacea for all of my colds this winter. If 

>I catch them early enough they go away. Now the tincture is of my own making 

>using one ounce of ground herb to every pint of water steeping it for about 

>30 minutes  



This is an infusion (if you pour boiling water over the plant parts and let it

steep) or a decoction (if you boil the plant parts and then let them steep)



>and then mixing it at about a 5:1 strength with vodka for 

>preservation. 



This is a preserved infusion (if you... you get the drift).



So, you don't have a tincture, even if you probably have good medicine.



Have fun

Henriette



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Subject: Taking Echinacea?

From: magic@copperfield.Sun.COM (Matt Gomes)

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:09:10 -0800

--------

Hey, all,



  I'm just getting over a bad cold in which, initially, I drank a couple

of cups of tea made with Echinacea, Hyssop and Ginger.  It didn't seem

to help...



  I may have been using an improper dosage.  It was essentially one

heaping tablespoon of each per cup made in typical decoction fashion.



  Did I not get the dosage correct?



  Thanks for the help...



-M

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Subject: Taking Echinacea?

From: magic@copperfield.Sun.COM (Matt Gomes)

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 10:09:10 -0800

--------

Hey, all,



  I'm just getting over a bad cold in which, initially, I drank a couple

of cups of tea made with Echinacea, Hyssop and Ginger.  It didn't seem

to help...



  I may have been using an improper dosage.  It was essentially one

heaping tablespoon of each per cup made in typical decoction fashion.



  Did I not get the dosage correct?



  Thanks for the help...



-M

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Subject: Re: Taking Echinacea?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 11 Feb 1997 03:13:01 -0700

--------

magic@copperfield.Sun.COM (Matt Gomes) wrote:



>Hey, all,



>  I'm just getting over a bad cold in which, initially, I drank a couple

>of cups of tea made with Echinacea, Hyssop and Ginger.  It didn't seem

>to help...

>  I may have been using an improper dosage. 



1 - it works better against bacteria than viruses (for those,

zinc lozenges are probalby more efficient)

2 - it takes more than a cup or two: try several cups a day for

about a week, and you will get rid of the cold.  Of course, you'd

be rid of it anyway.  what the Echinacea does is keep you form

getting an opportunisti cbacterial infection on top of the cold.



Callie



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Subject: Re: Taking Echinacea?

From: rqtball@ix.netcom.com (scott)

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 04:10:27 GMT

--------



>1 - it works better against bacteria than viruses (for those,

>zinc lozenges are probalby more efficient)





I agree highly!!!!! zinc losenges are amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I got

over a cold in less than 24 hours..had a sore throat...took zinc for

12 hours and it was gone!



>2 - it takes more than a cup or two: try several cups a day for

>about a week, and you will get rid of the cold.  Of course, you'd

>be rid of it anyway.  what the Echinacea does is keep you form

>getting an opportunisti cbacterial infection on top of the cold.



I agree again...you cant take it once or twice and expect a miracle to

happen





scott







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Subject: Echinacea Laevigata In Virginia Or North Carolina

From: johnt@haht.com

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 12:11:28 -0600

--------

Anyone know of native populations of Echinacea Laevigata in Virginia or

North Carolina?  Am looking for seeds from growers or amiable landowners.

Thanks!



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Subject: I like herbs

From: hum@direct.ca (Barry Hum)

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:58:31 GMT

--------

I think their good for us.

thanks





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Subject: blood pressure

From: Achim Richter <m.richte@iserlohn.netsurf.de>

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 23:14:41 +0100

--------

I have a low blood pressure. I can see it by pulsation in the eyes and

feel it because of cold feet. What kind of herb helps?

REgards Achim





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Subject: Web Resources - Announcement

From: info@healthlink.com.au

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 02:06:11 GMT

--------

Hi,



Healthlink has a resource site for Practitioners and students with one

of the finest practitioner standard herbal libraries on the net. 

Over 600 monographs, most with photos, fully searchable and heavily

hyperlinked with it s own glossary.



To get the best out of it remember the search engine searches every

word in the database, and so use search terms such as indications etc

eg: Asthma to viewa list of herbs indicated for asthma.



Medline is also available and is useful for viewing the latest medical

research on any known disease or condition. There is a free

Practitioner standard Herbal Pharmacopoeia for people becomeing

financial members.



Log in initially at:  http://www.healthlink.com.au/welcome.htm



Cheers,  Steve

 







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Subject: herbal help  :-0   for son with ADHD

From: image1sd@aol.com (Image1 SD)

Date: 11 Feb 1997 02:22:45 GMT

--------

I have found little information on the use of herbs to help Attention

Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Please send (E-mail) any information you

may have e.g. cause, stats, anything.

Thank You, greatly 





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Subject: Re: herbal help  :-0   for son with ADHD

From: "phd" <phd@lynx.bc.ca>

Date: 12 Feb 1997 09:26:54 GMT

--------

Image1 SD <image1sd@aol.com> wrote in article

<19970211022200.VAA02810@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> I have found little information on the use of herbs to help Attention

> Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. Please send (E-mail) any information you

> may have e.g. cause, stats, anything.

> Thank You, greatly 

> 

Try adding flax seed oil to the diet. Avoid long chain saturated and rancid

fats. 

Pycnogenol (Pine Bark Extract NOT grapeseed extract) may also help. 

Avena Sativa (Wild Oats) may tonify the nervous system



B-Complex Vitamins





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Subject: WTB: Cotton Root

From: cakes <mayernik@superlink.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:52:09 -0500

--------

Does anyone have a small supply of cotton root for sale, I will pay what

ever your price.  Please email me mayernik@superlinks.com





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Subject: Re: WTB: Cotton Root

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 11 Feb 1997 03:14:00 -0700

--------

cakes <mayernik@superlink.net> wrote:



>Does anyone have a small supply of cotton root for sale, I will pay what

>ever your price.  Please email me mayernik@superlinks.com



Try your local bulk herb shop first - it might surprise you.  And

many of the on-line shops carry it, but I don't have a URL handy.



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Subject: Questions: Blue-Green Algea and Differnces in Ginsing?

From: far1atty@global.gc.net

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 04:08:06 GMT

--------

I am new to alternative medications (herbs).  I am wondering what is

the differnce between the various ginsings?  There seems to be a few

different types with different scientific names.  What are the

differences between them.



Also, I was wondering what experiences people had with blue-green

algae.



e-mail me at:  far1atty@global.gc.net



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Subject: Re: Questions: Blue-Green Algea and Differnces in Ginsing?

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:36:47 GMT

--------

In article <5dohjg$fi7@news.gc.net>,  <far1atty@global.gc.net> wrote:

>

>Also, I was wondering what experiences people had with blue-green

>algae.



AN ANATOXIN-A PRIMER

Copyright Mark Thorson 1995, 1996



Super Blue Green (trademark, Cell Tech brand) algae is

the species known as _Aphanizomenon_flos-aquae_.



The remainder of this file is divided into five parts:



I.    What do people say about Super Blue Green Algae?

II.   What is anatoxin-a?

III.  Where does anatoxin-a come from?

IV.   What does anatoxin-a do?

V.    How can algae users protect against anatoxin-a?



PART I.  What do people say about Super Blue Green Algae?



Here's a few quotes collected from both Cell Tech

promotional literature and the FDA file on Cell Tech.

There's remarkable agreement between these two sources

on the effects of the algae.  Capitalization added.



Quoting from _Personal_Experiences_with_Super_Blue_

_Green_Algae_ (Cell Tech promotional literature):



"On my initial consumption I felt better than ever,

having incredible energy and elation.  The excitement

of it KEPT ME UP MOST OF THE NIGHT, yet that day

at work I was without fatigue." -- C.H.



"Since I've been taking Super Blue Green Algae

I experience very little jet-lag, sleep well, feel

more alert than exhausted on a long flight.  Fellow

flight attendants are ASTOUNDED WITH MY ENERGY LEVEL!"

-- L.L.D.



"When he was in the eighth grade, we decided to give him

the Super Blue Green Algae.  And we didn't tell anyone,

because we didn't want there to be any bias.  He took

about six capsules, three Omega Sun and three Alpha Sun."



"At the end of two weeks three teachers called me and

asked me, 'What are you doing different, Mrs. D?

Is Ricky BACK ON A DRUG or something?'  They said his

work had dramatically improved.  His attention span

was better, his concentration had increased, he was

responding and his school work was getting done and it

was accurate." -- Mrs. D.



"We have begun to suggest Super Blue Green Algae to

clients WITHDRAWING FROM COCAINE, with excellent results.

It helps them through the depression and cravings

connected with KICKING COCAINE." -- Robert Marrone, PhD,

Sierra Center for the Healing Arts, Nevada City, CA.



Quoting from the official FDA Complaint/Injury Report

on Cell Tech, October 31, 1995, filed by Lina Cicchetto,

Consumer Complaint Coordinator:



"Product was supposed to be used in this manner:  for

the first week take digestive enzymes with spectrabiotics

capsule 2 a day increasing weekly.  For energy, after

a week add to the initial capsules one capsule of the

'Blue Green Algae' capsule."



"She [the complainant] did this for a week then she added

the algae, the first day she felt very energized, but did

not sleep, next day she was so wired she COULD NOT SLEEP

FOR A WEEK."



Quoting from the official FDA Complaint/Injury Report

on Cell Tech, October 6, 1995, filed by Karen L. Robles,

Consumer Safety Officer:



"Complainant began taking blue-green algae product and

after 10 months felt no benefits.  She stopped taking

the product and has had an ENERGY IMBALANCE since that

time.  She has been suffering WITHDRAWL and energy

imbalance."



Quoting from the official FDA Complaint/Injury Follow-Up

Report on Cell Tech, November 24, 1995, filed by Susan R.

Nelson, Supervisory Consumer Safety Officer:



"She [the complainant] stated she did not feel the

benefits and quit taking the product (she was still taking

the ------).  She immediately had an ENERGY CRASH and had

to stay in bed for a week, she couldn't get out of bed.

---------- stated she felt the algae had an ADDICTIVE

effect on her and she has not felt the same since she quit

the product."



Quoting from the official FDA Complaint/Injury Report

on Cell Tech, April 4, 1995, filed by Cecilia Wolyniak,

Division of Emergency and Enforcement Operations [quoting

a complainant]:



"I believe Cell Tech's algae is a POWERFUL DRUG which

must be regulated by the FDA.  Further, the Oregon

Department of Agriculture has cited Cell Tech for rat

droppings in the storage areas and for a substantial

number of insect parts in the product.  It is difficult

to believe that the FDA would permit a company like Cell

Tech to sell what I believe to be a POTENT DRUG, under the

guise of the label of 'food supplements,' under DSHEA of

1994 without oversight, monitoring, control and mandated

safety testing.  Simple logic would dictate that in

addition to efficacy safety testing, the FDA would not

permit a Merck, Squibb or a Genentech to allow insect

particles in their products sanctioned by the FDA or

permit rat droppings in their product storage areas."



PART II.  What is anatoxin-a?



Quoting from _Toxicon_, volume 17, "Pharmacology of

Anatoxin-a, Produced by the Freshwater Cyanophyte

_Anabaena_flos-aquae_ NRC-44-1", by Carmichael, Biggs, and

Peterson, 1979, page 229:



"Anatoxin-a (formerly called very fast death factor) is

the term being used for the potent alkaloid neurotoxin

produced by the freshwater cyanophyte _Anabaena_flos-

aquae_ (Lyngb.) de Bre'b. clone number NRC-44-1."



"Its pharmacological properties have been investigated and

compared with that of a synthetic anatoxin-a which was

derived from L-cocaine."



"Anatoxin-a is a potent depolarizing neuromuscular

blocking agent possessing both muscarinic and nicotinic

activity."



Quoting from page 236:



"Structurally, anatoxin-a does not resemble decamethonium

but instead is similar to the tropane alkaloids,

specifically cocaine."



Quoting from _Molecular_Pharmacology_, volume 18,

"Anatoxin-a:  A Novel, Potent Agonist at the Nicotinic

Receptor", by Spivak, Witkop, and Albuquerque, 1980, page

391:



"The potencies of six nicotinic agonists are compared

(Table 2) for their ability to depolarize the frog's

sartorius muscle by 10 mV.  Interpolations from data

published by other authors are cited to show that

_anatoxin-a_is_the_most_potent_of_these_six_agonists_."



[Italics in the original.]



[An agonist is a molecule that binds to the same receptor.

Agonists activate the receptor, while antagonists are non-

activating and block the binding of the normal activating

molecule, hence inhibit the action of the receptor.]



Quoting from _The_Journal_of_Pharmacology_and_

_Experimental_Therapeutics_, volume 259, number 1,

"Nicotinic Pharmacology of Anatoxin Analogs.  I.  Side

Chain Structure-Activity Relationships at Peripheral

Agonist and Noncompetitive Antagonist Sites", by Swanson,

Aronstam, Wonnacott, Rapoport, and Albuquerque, 1991, page

378:



"Anatoxin-a analogs with 12 different modifications of the

'acetyl' side chain moiety or a site directly influencing

the conformation of this moiety were synthesized and

evaluated pharmacologically.  Fortunately, this

extraordinary toxin has a semi-rigid homotropane skeletal

structure that restricts the number of stable

conformations."



[An analog is a modified version of another molecule,

e.g. heroin and codeine are analogs of morphine.]



Quoting from page 383:



"Several modifications of the side chain in anatoxin-a

significantly changed the agonistic properties of the

neurotoxins at the acetylcholinesterase receptor.  No

analog thus far tested _in_vitro_ was as potent as the

parent compound anatoxin-a."



Quoting from _The_Journal_of_Pharmacology_and_

_Experimental_Therapeutics_, volume 259, number 1,

"Nicotinic Pharmacology of Anatoxin Analogs.  II.  Side

Chain Structure-Activity Relationships at Neuronal

Nicotinic Ligand Binding Sites", by Wonnacott, Jackman,

Swanson, Rapoport, and Albuquerque, 1991, pages 390-391:



"Such analysis assumes greater urgency with the

realization that brain acetylcholinesterase receptors

identified by high-affinity tritiated agonist binding are

decreased in Alzheimer's disease (see Kellar and

Wonnacott, 1990), and that nicotine treatment has given an

encouraging result with respect to cognitive performance

in Alzheimer patients (Sahakian _et_al_, 1989, 1990). 

Thus, centrally acting nicotinic agents could have an

important therapeutic future in the symptomatic treatment

of Alzheimer's disease (see Kellar and Wonnacott, 1990). 

Anatoxin-a is a useful core structure for such drug design

because, as a secondary amine, it readily crosses the

blood brain barrier."



Quoting from _Journal_of_Neurochemistry_, volume 60,

number 6, "(+)-Anatoxin-a Is a Potent Agonist at Neuronal

Nicotinic Acetylcholine Receptors", by Thomas, Stephens,

Wilkie, Amar, Lunt, Whiting, Gallagher, Pereira, Alkondon,

Albuquerque, and Wonnacott, 1993, page 2308:



"In these diverse preparations, (+)-anatoxin-a was between

three and 50 times more potent than (-)-nicotine and 

about 20 times more potent than acetylcholine, making it

the most efficacious nicotinic agonist thus far

described."



And a surprise quote from page 2310:



"These studies were supported by grants from the R. J.

Reynolds Tobacco Co.  . . ."



PART III.  Where does anatoxin-a come from?



Quoting from _Toxicon_, volume 17, "Pharmacology of

Anatoxin-a, Produced by the Freshwater Cyanophyte

_Anabaena_flos-aquae_ NRC-44-1", by Carmichael, Biggs, and

Peterson, 1979, page 229:



"Toxic strains of freshwater cyanophytes have been

implicated in animal poisonings for many years. 

_Anabaena_flos-aquae_, _Microcystis_aeruginosa_, and

_Aphanizomenon_flos-aquae_ are the most common species

responsible with the most recent reviews on the subject

written by Moore (1977) and Gentile (1971)."



Quoting from _Journal_of_Applied_Phycology_, volume 5,

number 6, "Anatoxin-a concentration in _Anabaena_ and

_Aphanizomenon_ under different environmental conditions

and comparison of growth by toxic and non-toxic _Anabaena_

strains: a laboratory study.", by Rapala, Sivonen,

Luukkainen, and Niemela, 1993, page 581:



"Anatoxin-a-concentration in cells of _Anabaena_ and

_Aphanizomenon_-strains and in their growth media were

studied in the laboratory in batch cultures at different

temperatures, light fluxes, orthophosphate and nitrate

concentrations and with different nitrogen sources for

growth."



"The amount of toxin in the cells of the toxic strains was

high, often exceeding 1% of their dry weight."



"The highest light flux studied did not limit the growth

or decrease the level of the toxin in the cells of

_Aphanizomenon_."



PART IV.  What does anatoxin-a do?



Quoting from _Toxicon_, volume 30, number 8, "Cardio-

Respiratory Changes and Mortality in the Conscious Rat

Induced by (+)- and (+/-)-Anatoxin-a", by Adeyemo and

Sire'n, 1992, page 904:



"Since adequate delivery of oxygen to the brain is of

prime importance for central nervous system function, the

observation that anatoxin-a-induced hypoxia was

accompanied by severe and sometimes fatal acidosis

suggests that brain hypoxia at the cellular level may

result in the accumulation of lactate via anaerobic

glycolysis producing acid-base stress, probable loss of

reducing equivalents, and rapid depletion of high-energy

phosphate compounds produced through oxidative

phosphorylation."



Quoting from _Neuropharmacology_, volume 31, number 3,

"Behavioural Effects of Anatoxin, a Potent Nicotinic

Agonist, in Rats", by Stolerman, Albuquerque, and Garcha,

1992, page 314:



"Anatoxin differed from (-)-nicotine because it did not

increase locomotor activity in rats made tolerant to the

depressant effect of (-)-nicotine.  It was unclear whether

the tolerant rats were cross-tolerant to the locomotor

depressant effect of (+)-anatoxin;  the doses of (+)-

anatoxin needed to decrease locomotor activity were larger

in nicotine-tolerant than non-tolerant rats, but the basal

level of activity was also lower.  The partial, nicotine-

like discriminative effect of (+)-anatoxin was notable

because non-nicotinic drugs rarely mimic the

discriminative effect of nicotine that is of central

origin (Stolerman _et_al_, 1984)."



Quoting from _Journal_of_Analytical_Toxicology_, volume

12, "Analysis of Anatoxin-a by GC/ECD", by Stevens and

Krieger, 1988, page 126:



"At present, the general method employed for the detection

of anatoxin-a is a mouse bioassay.  After lysis of

cyanobacterial cells, up to 1 mL of sample water is

injected i.p. into a mouse.  Presence of anatoxin-a is

inferred if the mouse expires within 10 minutes from

respiratory arrest following violent convulsions.  With a

detection limit of about 5 micrograms toxin/20 gram mouse,

the need for a sensitive, chemical analysis exists.  The

bioassay is inadequate for monitoring sublethal levels of

anatoxin-a, . . ."



PART V.  How can algae users protect against anatoxin-a?



Quoting from _Journal_of_Analytical_Toxicology_, volume

12, "Analysis of Anatoxin-a by GC/ECD", by Stevens and

Krieger, 1988, page 126:



"Two methods for the detection of anatoxin-a in toxic

samples have appeared in the literature--HPLC and GC/MS.

Both methods involve cumbersome sample handling,

and neither method is designed for trace quantitation of

anatoxin-a on a routine basis.  The HPLC method used UV

detection, required a sample size of 100 mL, and employed

2 liquid-liquid extractions."



"Due to the low molar absorptivity of its alpha-beta

unsaturated ketone, approximately 8500, the HPLC method

lacks sufficient sensitivity necessary for trace anatoxin-a

detection."



"Presently, a mouse bioassay is the general procedure used

for testing the toxicity of a bloom--approximately 5

micrograms/ml anatoxin-a sensitivity.  A method that is

over three orders of magnitude more sensitive than that

bioassay is described here.  It is readily capable of

detecting and quantitating sublethal levels of anatoxin-a."



[Note that in the postings from Cell Tech in response

to my files, they cite several specific tests they do

on their algae.  They perform the test for paralytic

shellfish toxins, which happen to be toxins that

_Aphanizomenon_ can also produce.  They test for

microcystins, which are toxins that a contaminating algae

in Klamath Lake is known to produce.  They test for

anatoxin-a(s), which is a different molecule from

anatoxin-a that has a similar name, because both were

originally discovered in an algae called _Anabaena_.

To my knowledge, nobody has ever found anatoxin-a(s)

in _Aphanizomenon_.  But they do not perform the

Stevens and Krieger test on the algae.  I wonder why?

Could taking the anatoxin-a out of _Aphanizomenon_

be like taking the nicotine out of tobacco?]









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Subject: Garlic.

From: Diane Baldwin <baldwin@internorth.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 22:45:29 -0800

--------

I started growing some garlic from a sprouting glove. It sure is 

growing but I have a couple of questions.  The sprouts shot up then fell 

over the side of the pot and are still growing.  Is that the way it is 

suppose to happen or are you suppose to stand them up with stakes and 

ties.    I tried one of the sprouts which broke off and it tasted quite 

good. Quite a mild pleasant garlicy tast. I assume these things are 

edible, Could you clip them like chives? and if so how come someone 

doesn't grow them and sell them? Can full bulbs of garlic be grown from 

single cloves and how long does it take?





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Subject: Caulis Spatholobi

From: clemens@bart.nl (Clemens WP Bergenhenegouwen)

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 07:43:58 GMT

--------

Does anyone has any knowledge of Caulis Spatholobi ?

Ingredients, macroscopic and microscopic ?

Thanks very much.

===========================

Clemens WP Bergenhenegouwen

email: clemens@bart.nl

The Hague - Holland



Men seldom make passes at girls that wear glasses

Dorothy Parker





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Subject: DHEA for geriatric dogs

From: "Juanita R. Alvarez" <jalvarez@tophat.pima.gov>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 07:48:29 +0000

--------

Hi Everyone,

     I'm trying to gather information about DHEA and whether or not I

should be giving this to my 12 year old Weimaraner.  I have heard alot

of information for DHEA for humans and there are situations where this

wouldn't be appropriate for humans to take -- is the same thing true for

older dogs?

     Currently Saavik gets, Vits A, C, E, Gingko Biloba, Grape Seed

Extract and 'DETOX' (cleanses liver and kidney).  I have found a product

that contains both Gingko Biloba and DHEA.  Depending on the information

I get I may switch her to that.  Her geriatric profile stated she was

slightly dehydrated (putting more water with her food now), slight brain

deterioration, low liver functions, and high cholesterol (which the vet

said not to worry about), all other readings were in normal ranges.  

            Thanks for any and all information.



		Juanita, Saavik, Kira and Ezmeralda the Cat







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Newsgroups: alt.med.veterinary,rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DHEA for geriatric dogs

From: lewarno@snowcrest.net (Lew Arno)

Date: 12 Feb 1997 21:25:24 GMT

--------

In article <3300244D.6650@tophat.pima.gov>, jalvarez@tophat.pima.gov 

says...

>

>Hi Everyone,

>     I'm trying to gather information about DHEA and whether or not I

>should be giving this to my 12 year old Weimaraner.  I have heard alot

>of information for DHEA for humans and there are situations where this

>wouldn't be appropriate for humans to take -- is the same thing true 

for

>older dogs?

>     Currently Saavik gets, Vits A, C, E, Gingko Biloba, Grape Seed

>Extract and 'DETOX' (cleanses liver and kidney).  I have found a 

product

>that contains both Gingko Biloba and DHEA.  Depending on the 

information

>I get I may switch her to that.  Her geriatric profile stated she was

>slightly dehydrated (putting more water with her food now), slight 

brain

>deterioration, low liver functions, and high cholesterol (which the vet

>said not to worry about), all other readings were in normal ranges.  

>            Thanks for any and all information.

>

>                Juanita, Saavik, Kira and Ezmeralda the Cat

>

I have my three 12 yr. old cocker spaniels on 5 mg. a day for the last 6 

months and they are doing great.  Lots of energy and run around like 

youg dogs.  At their age I figure if they are having a quality life from 

something they are taking then it is good.  Before the DHEA they acted 

like old dogs.  Mic







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Subject: Re: HELP!   ALTERNATIVE MEDICATION NEEDED TO

From: tntgraphi@aol.com (TNTGRAPHI)

Date: 11 Feb 1997 14:49:05 GMT

--------

     My husband was diagnosed with Malignant Peritoneal Mesothelioma, an

incurable form of cancer, about 13 months ago.  He has received NO medical

treatment!  Instead, we were fortunate to have been given a book, "The

Cure For All Cancers" by Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph.D.,N.D.  We immediately

began the 'cancer curing recipe which calls for Black Walnut Hull tincture

(green hulls), Artemesia Leaves (wormwood capsules), and freshly ground

cloves.  This book can be purchased at health food stores or by calling

1-800-231-1776.  Also we were guided to a book called "The Cancer Battle

Plan" by Anne E. Framm.  Ms. Framm had Breast cancer which had spread

throughout her body 'a hopeless case'.  She began a regiman which called

for high doses of vitamin "C", green drinks (Kyo-Green), fresh juices

(especially carrot), and other things.  My husband follows her regiman and

also takes 200 mcg. of selenium per day.  We found this book at a

Christian book store.

     The cancer that my husband has we have been told 'spreads quickly',

and is given a max life expectancy of only 16 months.  He is showing NO

signs of illness and he has more energy than I do!   We do give ALL of the

credit to God for this miracle, for it is truely He who has guided us to

these books.  Pray, and you will be guided also.



                                                         God Bless!





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Subject: Re: HELP!   ALTERNATIVE MEDICATION NEEDED TO

From: gecross@aol.com

Date: 12 Feb 1997 23:32:14 GMT

--------

In article <19970211144901.JAA26615@ladder01.news.aol.com>, tntgraphi@aol.com (TNTGRAPHI) writes:



>     The cancer that my husband has we have been told 'spreads quickly',

>and is given a max life expectancy of only 16 months.  He is showing NO

>signs of illness and he has more energy than I do!   We do give ALL of the

>credit to God for this miracle, for it is truely He who has guided us to

>these books.  Pray, and you will be guided also.

>

>



Has he gone back to his doctor to confirm that the cancer is actually gone?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tendon inflamation ?

From: hmesick@mail.goldinc.com

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 97 12:28:56 CDT

--------



cat's claw or devil's claw i can't remember which one

is effective for tendon inflamation ?







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Subject: Re: tendon inflamation ?

From: rqtball@ix.netcom.com (scott)

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 04:08:10 GMT

--------

:





>cat's claw or devil's claw i can't remember which one

>is effective for tendon inflamation ?



I use them both together for tendonitis........if I had to choose just

one...I would choose devil's claw...just from personal

experience...but they are both fairly cheap so thats why I use

both...getting good results...I saw results in a few days





scott







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Subject: dong quai in pregnancy

From: Lynn Voedisch <voedisch@suntimes.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:45:08 -0800

--------

Can women use dong quai when they are pregnant? Also I asked this earlier 

but got no answer: how about kava kava? Safe?





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Subject: Re: dong quai in pregnancy

From: "Nite Flame" <NitFlame@vnet.net>

Date: 11 Feb 1997 17:52:41 GMT

--------

Greetings Lynn,

There are several postings re: herbs and pregnancy.  Since I have no

knowledge re; this subject I'm only copying them for you.  Hope they help

Niteflame

> All these are supposed to be bad for pregnancy:

> 

> Licorice Root * Yarrow * Calamus * Wormwood * Barberry

> 

> Cayenne * Celandine * Male Fem * Ephedra * Fennel

> 

> Licorice * Goldenseal * Juniper * Lavender * Flaxseed

> 

> Pennyroyal (a *strong* uterine stimulant!!!) * Passion Flower * Poke

> Root * Mayapple

> 

> Wild Cherry * Cascara Sagrada * Rhubarb * Sage * Bloodroot

> 

> Tansy * Thyme * Periwinkle * Mistletoe

> 

> This information was obtained from the web page at:

> 

> http://www.primenet.com/~bci/oldherbs.html

> 

> Another herb that I have been told is very dangerous is rosemary.

> Hope you find this helpful!  Karen

 

The German Commission E monograph warns against the use of Kava-kava in

pregnancy and lactation because it is a CNS stimulant.  There are no

contraindications to the use of Valerian in pregancy or lactation that I'm

aware of.-- Jim Tinklenberg



Lynn Voedisch <voedisch@suntimes.com> wrote in article

<3300CC44.65F5@suntimes.com>...

> Can women use dong quai when they are pregnant? Also I asked this earlier



> but got no answer: how about kava kava? Safe?

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: dong quai in pregnancy

From: J&K <jbrim@prysm.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:43:52 -0600

--------

Lynn Voedisch wrote:

> 

> Can women use dong quai when they are pregnant? Also I asked this earlier

> but got no answer: how about kava kava? Safe?





I have heard the dong quai is used to bring on periods, so I would

consider it unsafe for pregnancy.  I haven't heard that it IS harmful,

but judgin from what it is used for, I would probably avoid it for

pregnancy.  False unicorn root, on the other hand, is supposed to be

beneficial for pregnancy, but I would thoroughly research both of these

herbs before making a decision. (i.e. don't just go by what I am saying

here please!)



Karen







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Subject: Re: dong quai in pregnancy

From: Lynn Voedisch <voedisch@suntimes.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:19:56 -0800

--------

Thanks. No I'd never just decide to take or not take something based 

on a newsgroup discussion. It just gives me ideas to research. 

    I asked the question because I thought dong quai might be suspect. It 

has a phytoestrogren that might combine (badly) with the naturally 

increased estrogen levels of pregnancy.

    Someone posted that kava kava increases CNS levels in pregnancy. What 

are CNS levels?



  Lynn





> I have heard the dong quai is used to bring on periods, so I would

> consider it unsafe for pregnancy.  I haven't heard that it IS harmful,

> but judgin from what it is used for, I would probably avoid it for

> pregnancy.  False unicorn root, on the other hand, is supposed to be

> beneficial for pregnancy, but I would thoroughly research both of these

> herbs before making a decision. (i.e. don't just go by what I am saying

> here please!)

> 

> Karen





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: mugwort

From: mrhorse@kih.net (k. c.)

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:08:43 GMT

--------



I just purchased a young mugwort plant. Could anyone tell me what

growing conditions it needs as far as light, water, etc?  Also, I know

that mugwort is a relaxing herb and have used  it in the bath, but are

there any other uses I should know about?  Any help would be

appreciated.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 12 Feb 1997 14:04:04 GMT

--------

ive personally used mugwort for female troubles as well as a tea b4 doing

magickal or divination work its one of my favorite herbs -- long histopry

in many cultures





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: BCunningham <Bettyc@flyinggoat.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:15:24 -0800

--------

k. c. wrote:

> 

> I just purchased a young mugwort plant. Could anyone tell me what

> growing conditions it needs as far as light, water, etc?  Also, I know

> that mugwort is a relaxing herb and have used  it in the bath, but are

> there any other uses I should know about?  Any help would be

> appreciated.



it likes partial shade, shouldn't dry out totally, can get big AND

invasive in the yard, and scents potpourri and sleep pillows.



-Betty





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: sdrs@aol.com (SDRS)

Date: 14 Feb 1997 04:50:49 GMT

--------

In California, Mugwort always grows near water.  Always near poison oak. 

Reputed to be a cure for poison oak if rubbed on the skin before contact. 

Works for me!  California Indians would make mugwort pillows for lucid

dreaming.  They also used it to carry burning embers from place to place

in a pack.  Kinda like matches.  It smells great.  Not a bad smoke,

either.



Bob Lowe





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: "Greger Gimseus" <toz@hem.passagen.se>

Date: 16 Feb 1997 10:31:18 GMT

--------

> In California, Mugwort always grows near water.  Always near poison oak. 



Here in Sweden it grows everywhere, it's a nasty weed.

Can't imagine someone selling it...I guess it's not as common in the US.



> California Indians would make mugwort pillows for lucid dreaming.



I have one but it doesn't seem to work for me.



Thinking of making some mugwort-oil, any ideas on how to do this anyone?



	Greger G.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:35:45 -0500

--------

k. c. wrote:

> 

> I just purchased a young mugwort plant. Could anyone tell me what

> growing conditions it needs as far as light, water, etc?  Also, I know

> that mugwort is a relaxing herb and have used  it in the bath, but are

> there any other uses I should know about?  Any help would be

> appreciated.



For sweet dreams try a combination of Chamomile, Hops and Mugwort





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: shadowlkr1@aol.com (Shadowlkr1)

Date: 17 Feb 1997 03:09:18 GMT

--------

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:35:45 -0500

Message-ID: <33076191.255C@ix.netcom.com>



k. c. wrote:

> 

> I just purchased a young mugwort plant. Could anyone tell me what

> growing conditions it needs as far as light, water, etc?  Also, I know

> that mugwort is a relaxing herb and have used  it in the bath, but are

> there any other uses I should know about?  Any help would be

> appreciated.



For sweet dreams try a combination of Chamomile, Hops and Mugwort



It's a weed---give it plenty of light and it will not die. <G>







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: thymetoo@direct.ca

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:36:55 -0700

--------

My favorite herbal says this about mugwort "In cooking Mugwort is a

useful condiment for roast meat, especially pork and mutton and fat

poultry such as goose and duck. It is an effictive moth repellent." I

really had to laugh when I saw the mention of moth repelling in the same

sentence as cooking. 



I planted a row of Mugwort here as a border in the garden. It is very

fast growing and perennial. Perhaps because it is an artemesia, mugwort

has delightful silvery leaves. I like to cut them when long, and wrap

them in thin dusty rose ribbon. They make great wands and can be given

away as sleep aids. 



Another Thyme,

Lilith

-- 

"Happiness is making the most of what you have..." ~ from "September,"

by Rosamunde

Pilcher





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:59:37 GMT

--------

On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:36:55 -0700, thymetoo@direct.ca wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>My favorite herbal says this about mugwort "In cooking Mugwort is a

>useful condiment for roast meat, especially pork and mutton and fat

>poultry such as goose and duck. 



Yes. You take about 5 cm of the top of a flowering branch and add it to your

mutton roast while it's cooking. My grandma does that. I don't...



It's a -noxious- weed over here. If you don't know it you might wish to keep it

from ever going to seed - it produces... let's see... where -is- that weed

book... oh well, have misplaced that, but Artemisia vulgaris produces -zillions-

of seeds, in addition to spreading underground.



As a curiosity, mugwort (Artemisia vulgaris) is very closely related to estragon

(Artemisia dracunculus). I like estragon -much- more, and don't much care which

of the two varieties I have - French is supposed to taste better (I can't tell),

but Russian will survive the winter.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: stardog@aol.com (Stardog)

Date: 19 Feb 1997 22:18:29 GMT

--------

Mugwort will spread like crazy and really is classidied a weed in Europe,

but it does have many uses.  The French translation is "herb of a hundred

tastes".  It was used as a flavour for beer before hops became common. 

The flower buds picked before the tiny flowers open can be dried and used

as a  dried herb, but the fresh leaves can also be used.  They are great

with turnups, and as another writer mentioned with roast and especially

goose.  Bye the way, the European mugwort, Artemisia vulgaris, is not the

same plant as the  wild California mugwort, although they look similar. I

have both here in my California garden, but the two plants have totally

different properties but are easily  confused.  The California mugwort is

strongly scented and was used as an antidote to poison ivy by the Chumash

Indians.  





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Serotonin

From: lsaegert@sprynet.com (lsaegert)

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:35:48 GMT

--------

My GF started Serzone to combat a Major Depressive Disorder. She is doing

well and dropping weight like crazy!! I have heard that raising serotonin

levels is what it takes to lose weight. Well, I have seen the truth in

that, but aside from taking anti depressive drugs, how can I raise my

levels to lose weight like this? She has dropped over 40 lbs. in a short

time and looks great. Are there any herbs that will raise the level of

Serotonin in your body? Thanks,

Linda

Searching:

Denemark/Denmark, Malkan, Silverstein, Saegert

From Augustow, Poland, Minsk, and Sczcuczyn, Poland





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Serotonin

From: rbhoggan@CBE.AB.CA (Ron Hoggan)

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:40:26 GMT

--------

On Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:35:48 GMT, lsaegert@sprynet.com (lsaegert) wrote:



>My GF 



What is GF?



>started Serzone to combat a Major Depressive Disorder. She is doing

>well and dropping weight like crazy!! I have heard that raising serotonin

>levels is what it takes to lose weight. Well, I have seen the truth in

>that, but aside from taking anti depressive drugs, how can I raise my

>levels to lose weight like this?



You might consider going on a gluten-free diet. A large minority of people

develop antibodies against some of the protein fractions of these grains.

That results in an inflammatory process in the intestinal lining, which

uses some of the serotonin stores in the body. 



I don't know if you are one of that percentage, but you might try the diet

for a couple of weeks, to see if you feel any better. If you are feeling a

stronger sense of well-being, then the g-f diet should work for you. An

additional benefit is that this diet has been shown by researchers to

enhance HDL to LDL cholesterol ratios. 



For more on the g-f diet see:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



I hope that is helpful.



Best Wishes,

Ron Hoggan   Calgary, Alberta, Canada





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cat Claw and Lupus

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:01:13 -0600

--------

My sister (40YO) has lupus. I have read some on the benefits of cat's 

claw and was wondering if anyone has had practical experience. I'd like 

to know dosage, frequency, and preparation. She was diagnosed about 2 

years ago and is starting to suffer frequent flare ups - and a 

dissiness/disorentation that she can't explain. 



Thanks

Cissy





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hypertension

From: "James J. Pirretti" <pirretti@gti.net>

Date: 11 Feb 1997 22:25:28 GMT

--------

Anyone have recommendations for high blood pressure, other than garlic?

-- 

James J. Pirretti

Parsippany, NJ





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hypertension

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:33:12 -0500

--------

James J. Pirretti wrote:

> 

> Anyone have recommendations for high blood pressure, other than garlic?

> --

> James J. Pirretti

> Parsippany, NJ

Read David Hoffmann's herb books especially his Herbal for Elders,

whether you are an eleder or not.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Microwaveable herbal heating pads

From: mll@hotmail.com

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:35:09 GMT

--------

For your consideration



http://www.tiac.net/users/wsears/hpads.htm











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kava Kava.

From: Sandy Murphy <ladybug@PEAK.ORG>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:36:30 -0800

--------



Can anyone tell me about Kava Kave?  Side affects?  Benefits?  My doctor 

gave me some for high blood pressure.  Thanks.





------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Sandy Murphy            @}-->----    SMILE!  'Cause God thinks you're 

  ladybug@peak.org                        special... and so do I!

------------------------------------------------------------------------------







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava Kava.

From: justceri@aol.com (Just ceri)

Date: 12 Feb 1997 02:30:12 GMT

--------

Sandy wrote:

>>Can anyone tell me about Kava Kave?  Side affects?  Benefits?  My doctor



gave me some for high blood pressure.  Thanks.



Hi Sandy...

In the June 96 issue of Natural Health there is an article on 26 herbal

stress relievers...Kava Kava happens to be one of them:

Kava Kava

ACTION:  Pelaxes muscles and elevate mood.

DOSAGE: In capsules, 3 times a day at 60 to 70 mg. each.  You can also sip

a daily dose (w/100mg of extract) in juice or tea. As a tincture, 40 to 60

drops up to six times a day if needed.  May feel the relaxing effects from

w/in a few hrs. to a few days.

SIDE EFFECTS: Several dailydoses over severalmonths maycause

scalyskin.Kave kave is contraindicated for people w/Parkinson's disease;

its use may worsen the condition.

COMMENTS; Among its benefis, it is excellent for stress-related muscle

aches such as backache,neckache, and a jaw sore from grinding teeth. 

Plus, you'll just feel good all over.



Hope that answers your question!

ceri















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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: More things change... (Herbal History)

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 12 Feb 1997 00:02:05 GMT

--------

In article <Pine.A32.3.93.970208235632.86974J-100000@nevis.u.arizona.edu>,

Esta M Weiss <esta@U.Arizona.EDU> writes:



>that orgainzed medicne has moved heaven and earth to

>obstuct the circulation of the book..<snip> My copy is dated...1939.. its

frist >printing...things havent changed a whole lot have they...???



Actually my favorite 'us vs them' comes from the 16th century, when the

parliment of Henry VIII wanted to stop the surgeons suing midwives and

other herbalists. 



The Act cites that  the surgeons "minding onely their own lucre, and

nothing the profit or ease of the diseased or Patient, have sued,

troubled, and vexed divers honest persons, as well men as women, whom God

hath endued with the knowledge of nature, kind and operation of certain

Herbs, Roots and Water, and the using and ministring of them..."



It goes on to outline certain areas where herbalists and others should be

free to practice their art without undue harassment from the surgeons and

other medical branches. In part, the government seemed to be moved by the

need to provide some cheap health care for the poor, who simply couldn't

afford the surgeons and physicians.  



For those interested in the history of herbal medicine, I recommend

Barbara Griggs' Green Pharmacy.  I understand that a revised, expanded

edition is coming out this year. I've got an earlier edition on my shelf

at home, and it's a great little book.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Echinacea

From: Leona Sebastian <leighs@nb.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:24:59 -0600

--------

Hi, I asked a question on echinacea and got an answer to it but,forgot

to ask::  Is it okay to take it if one is on maxide(a blood pressure

pill) I have never taken herbs before and I`m trying to research

everything before I start. I also am on thyroid med. for my thyroid. I

have always had some kind of reaction to diff. drugs because of my

thyroid so that is why I am trying to find pitfalls if any before I

start. I thank you for your response and time. Leona





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 13 Feb 1997 08:51:28 GMT

--------

Leona Sebastian <leighs@nb.net> wrote:

>Hi, I asked a question on echinacea and got an answer to it but,forgot

>to ask::  Is it okay to take it if one is on maxide(a blood pressure

>pill) I have never taken herbs before and I`m trying to research

>everything before I start. I also am on thyroid med. for my thyroid. I

>have always had some kind of reaction to diff. drugs because of my

>thyroid so that is why I am trying to find pitfalls if any before I

>start. I thank you for your response and time. Leona









It would probably be best to ask your prescribing dr before adding herbs 

to your diet.  Echinacea would probably not *react* with your meds in the 

way we think about different drugs reacting to each other.  



One thing that might happen when you start taking herbs, watching your 

diet, exersizing more, etc. is that your body might not need the same 

dosage of the Rx's.



Remember, some weeds are powerful medicine.  We probably wouldn't bother 

with them if they weren't.



Deb

-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:53:25 -0600

--------





On 13 Feb 1997, Deb Skinner wrote:



<<stuff about echinacea snipped>> 

> It would probably be best to ask your prescribing dr before adding herbs 

> to your diet.  Echinacea would probably not *react* with your meds in the 

> way we think about different drugs reacting to each other.  

> 

>Deb



Herbs are chemicals, just like every other thing on this planet. They 

will react and interact with other drugs, chemicals or herbs, just as 

prescription drugs do.  And each individual will have a different 

experience with individual herbs and herbs in combination with 

pharmacuticals and diet. 



Cissy





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 15 Feb 1997 08:27:28 GMT

--------

"Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:

>

>

>On 13 Feb 1997, Deb Skinner wrote:

>

><<stuff about echinacea snipped>> 

>> It would probably be best to ask your prescribing dr before adding herbs 

>> to your diet.  Echinacea would probably not *react* with your meds in the 

>> way we think about different drugs reacting to each other.  

>> 

>>Deb

>

>Herbs are chemicals, just like every other thing on this planet. They 

>will react and interact with other drugs, chemicals or herbs, just as 

>prescription drugs do.  And each individual will have a different 

>experience with individual herbs and herbs in combination with 

>pharmacuticals and diet. 

>

>Cissy











Yea, that's what I meant.  Except, when I've experienced pharmacuticals' 

interaction it has been much faster and more obvious.  My experience with 

herbs is that they work [and therefore react] more slowly.  Of course, it 

could be the herbal choices I make.



Deb



-- 

Deb's Endeavors

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disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: Ramsa <ramsa@swva.net>

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:32:51 -0500

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Cissy . Thorpe wrote:

> 

> On 13 Feb 1997, Deb Skinner wrote:

> 

> <<stuff about echinacea snipped>>

> > It would probably be best to ask your prescribing dr before adding herbs

> > to your diet.  Echinacea would probably not *react* with your meds in the

> > way we think about different drugs reacting to each other.

> >

> >Deb

> 

> Herbs are chemicals, just like every other thing on this planet. They

> will react and interact with other drugs, chemicals or herbs, just as

> prescription drugs do.  And each individual will have a different

> experience with individual herbs and herbs in combination with

> pharmacuticals and diet.

> 

> Cissy



Cissy is correct in what she says. Don't just ask your doctor, though --

ask your pharmacist, whose business it is to know more about drug

interactions than your doctor.



Ramsa (an RN)





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Subject: Please send me info about Saint Johns Wart or wort

From: BARRY GATTEN <BARRY_GATTEN@bc.sympatico.ca>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:16:07 -0800

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I am think of growing Saint John's Wart or Wort please correct me on the 

name.  I know about the easy growth of it but I was wondering about the 

edibility of it after picking it.  I take the pills from the stores and 

was wondering if you had to do anyting to the plant before you ingest it. 

 This will be very helpful and you can E-Mail me at 

BARRY_GATTEN@bc.sympatico.ca. 





Febuary 11/97





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Subject: Is Pau d'Arco tea safe during pregnancy

From: sindara@pobox.com (Sharon R. Saroff)

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:26:03 GMT

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I have problems with yeast and fungal allergies.  To keep them at bay

I drank Pau d'Arco tea and popped acidophilis capsules once a day. I

still take the acidophilis but I stopped the Pau d'Arco tea because I

became pregnant.  Is the Pau d'Arco tea safe to drink during

pregnancy?



Sharon





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Subject: Garlic

From: Diane Baldwin <baldwin@internorth.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:47:43 -0800

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Had some garlic in the fridge which sprouted so planted the cloves in a 

pot and it is really growing but after it gets over a foot high sort of 

falls over. Is this the way it is suppose to or should it be staked and 

tied up.

   Will it turn into cloves. 

   A shoot broke off so I tried it and it had a very pleasnt garlic 

taste.I assume you can eat shoots but never come across any ref. to this 

and wonder why they aren't grown and sold. Would be great for salades.

   Friend has toe fungus and book says to use aged garlic. How does one 

age garlic and get an oil out of it. Anyone ever tried garlic for this 

and did it work





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Subject: High BP & Herb Floritabs

From: WXPS53A@prodigy.com (Marvin Silverman)

Date: 12 Feb 1997 03:19:10 GMT

--------

I am writing to you hoping that you might be able to answer a question I 

have about an herb product that I cant find information about through 

research vehicles that I have access to.



   I am personally using a product to help lower blood pressure called 

Floritab Plus. An earlier version of the product (Floristan) was taken 

off the market since it was potentially harmful.  A local health food 

store now promotes Floritab Plus.  The ingredients listed are as 

follows:



  F. Notofinseng Hoo.   F. Sophera Japonica.  LF Prunelia Vulgarise.  

Sulong Husa.  Lonicera J Japonica thumb.  Wet. Huas.  The pills come in a 

bottle with a typed label, no company name, and it states "Made in China.

"



   I am trying to find out if there are dangers in using this product.  

It controls my blood pressure as well as Calcium Blockers do.  I am 

trying to determine whether the Floritabs. An herbal product,  or the 

prescribed medication is more harmful in the long run since I am 47 years 

old.



   Thank you for any assistance.  It is greatly appreciated.



   Sincerely,



Marvin



Please E Mail Me WXPS53A@Prodigy.com









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Subject: Re: High BP & Herb Floritabs

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 05:41:10 GMT

--------

On 12 Feb 1997 03:19:10 GMT, WXPS53A@prodigy.com (Marvin Silverman) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



(snip)

>store now promotes Floritab Plus.  The ingredients listed are as 

>follows:

>

>  F. Notofinseng Hoo.   F. Sophera Japonica.  LF Prunelia Vulgarise.  

>Sulong Husa.  Lonicera J Japonica thumb.  Wet. Huas.  The pills come in a 

>bottle with a typed label, no company name, and it states "Made in China."



You have:

x Panax notoginseng (syn. P.pseudoginseng, P.sanchi), one of the adaptogens. (F

= Fruit? Flower? Usually the root is used).

x Sophora japonica, pagoda tree (F = Fruit? Flower?)

x Prunella vulgaris (LF = Leaf?)

x Sulong husa? Never heard.

x Lonicera japonica, one of the honeysuckles.



That should get you going on your research.

Take care,

Henriette



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Subject: Sources

From: "John Foster" <J2030@msn.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:27:45 -0800

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Need source on some fresh herbs like lobelia, yarrow,bethroot, chickweed.

Some herbs just don't tincture well dried, need to know If I can get them

fresh.Also,if anyone knows where I can get a good percolation cone.Please

reply to group of E-mail me at J2030@msn.com







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Subject: king solomon seed

From: "jwmc" <jwmc@futureone.com>

Date: 12 Feb 97 04:36:15 GMT

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Has anyone heared of king solomon seed herb? I don't think they mean

solomons seal

if anyone knows what they are referreing to please let me know.



jwmc@futureone.com





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Subject: Beware

From: "John Foster" <J2030@msn.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:36:48 -0800

--------

I know that melatonin and DHEA are really popular but there is something

you should be aware of. If I started to take insulin everyday I could make

myself a diabetic. By putting something there the body produces and the

body senses its there it will stop producing it,so when you take meletonin

or DHEA you might get some results but you might actually be making matters

worse by stopping your body from producing it naturally. This is where you

get into this all natural delimma. You are taking something and using it

like the drug philosophies. The best thing to do is to feed and nourish the

organs of glands that you are trying to shut down by taking the substances

they produce.   John







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Subject: Re: Beware

From: wolf <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:41:09 -0800

--------

John Foster wrote:

> 

> I know that melatonin and DHEA are really popular but there is something

> you should be aware of. If I started to take insulin everyday I could make

> myself a diabetic. By putting something there the body produces and the

> body senses its there it will stop producing it,so when you take meletonin

> or DHEA you might get some results but you might actually be making matters

> worse by stopping your body from producing it naturally. This is where you

> get into this all natural delimma. You are taking something and using it

> like the drug philosophies. The best thing to do is to feed and nourish the

> organs of glands that you are trying to shut down by taking the substances

> they produce.   John





People who sleep a lot produce a great amount of Melatonin, naturally,

except with age the production slows down.



People who can't sleep will need something to help them. So what do you

suggest to take to create a good nights sleep ???? Just crying Wolf,

pardon the pun, won't help.



Wolf

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Subject: Re: Beware

From: htrotter@voyager.net (Jim Tinklenberg)

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 17:39:01 -0400

--------

In article <3302A975.5774@awinc.com>, wolf <wschmidt@awinc.com> wrote:



> John Foster wrote:

> > 

> > I know that melatonin and DHEA are really popular but there is something

> > you should be aware of. If I started to take insulin everyday I could make

> > myself a diabetic. By putting something there the body produces and the

> > body senses its there it will stop producing it,so when you take meletonin

> > or DHEA you might get some results but you might actually be making matters

> > worse by stopping your body from producing it naturally. This is where you

> > get into this all natural delimma. You are taking something and using it

> > like the drug philosophies. The best thing to do is to feed and nourish the

> > organs of glands that you are trying to shut down by taking the substances

> > they produce.   John

> 

> 

> People who sleep a lot produce a great amount of Melatonin, naturally,

> except with age the production slows down.

> 

> People who can't sleep will need something to help them. So what do you

> suggest to take to create a good nights sleep ???? Just crying Wolf,

> pardon the pun, won't help.

> 

> Wolf

> -- 



And incidentally, a non-diabetic would not become diabetic be injecting

insulin everyday.  They would become hypoglycemic and die maybe, but

diabetes is unlikely.



-- 

 Jim Tinklenberg





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Subject: Re: Beware

From: probe13@dfwmm.net (Probe)

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 05:54:15 GMT

--------

wolf <wschmidt@awinc.com> regurgitated:



>John Foster wrote:

>> By putting something there the body produces and the

>> body senses its there it will stop producing it,so when you take meletonin

>> or DHEA you might get some results but you might actually be making matters

>> worse by stopping your body from producing it naturally. 



This is true.  So true.  Now wouldn't it be nice if fat worked the

same way!  If I could load up on chili dogs and Mexican food, and

expect my body to stop producing fat, that would be most excellent!





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Subject: Long-sha

From: Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu>

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:07:02 -0500

--------

	I have seen very brief references for a Chinese herb called

long-sha, but I would like more information.  The info I've found on it

totals about one short paragraph with a sketchy description of its

supposed benefits.  If someone could please fill me in on exactly what

this herb is, how it is used and what it is used for, and possibly where

to get it, it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.







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Subject: Sleep Paralysis

From: mbreault@ozemail.com.au (Marc Breault)

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:30:22 GMT

--------

I recently posted a short article on this newsgroup about sleep

paralysis.  The response to it surprised me and I thought I would

write a more thorough one.





Sleep Paralysis and OBE's

	 Copyright Marc Breault, February 1997



DISCLAIMER:

	I am not a medical doctor, nor am I a medical practitioner in

any capacity.  Any advice relating to health in this article is

strictly my opinion and should never be used as a substitute for

proper medical advice given by a registered doctor or medical

practitioner.



Introduction



	Sleep paralysis can be one of the most frightening and

disconcerting experiences a person can have.  While you are falling

asleep, or as you awaken from a dream, you suddenly find yourself

completely paralyzed.  You literally cannot move a muscle.  You are

helpless.  If you are like most people, you panic!  After all,

paralysis is not a natural state.



	Some people experiencing sleep paralysis feel they are sliding

inexorably into death, never to see the light of day again.  It is

easy to believe you have something medically wrong with you.  To my

knowledge, very little is said or written about sleep paralysis.



	When properly understood, however, there is very little to

fear from sleep paralysis.  In fact, sleep paralysis can be your

gateway to very interesting, possibly enlightening, and undoubtably

fascinating adventures.



For The Record



	This article deals with out of body experiences, among other

things.  I am as yet undecided regarding the validity of out of body

experiences (OBE's).  I tend to believe that in a small number of

cases, OBE's are genuine.  What do I mean by this?



	The popular conception of an OBE is one in which some part of

our consciousness escapes our body and experiences a number of things,

sometimes in normal reality, and sometimes on other planes.  I am

unaware of any scientific experiments which prove, absolutely, that

people can really travel elsewhere out of their bodies.  There are a

number of stories and testimonials, however, which seem to indicate

this is possible.



	There are many who feel OBE's are actually dreams.  It is a

known fact that many people have OBE's while in the dream state.  I

personally am unsure whether an OBE is, in fact, a dream or whether it

is really happening.  I have had a number of experiences which would

seem to indicate some part of me has actually traveled and witnessed

actual events.  I am not, however, dogmatic on this point.



	I have experienced sleep paralysis and OBE's for 18 years and

I believe there is a link.  The purpose of this article is to explore

the link between the two phenomena.



The Medical Reality Behind Sleep Paralysis



	I experienced sleep paralysis for the first time when I was 15

years old.  One afternoon I lay down for a nap.  I was very tired and

I simply wanted to relax and perhaps catch an hour of sleep.  Suddenly

I couldn't move.  I felt a current run through my body and despite all

my efforts, I was paralyzed.  My first thought was that I was dying.

I was afraid I could not breathe.  After frantic efforts to breathe, I

realized that, at least, was not effected.  I was so scared, though,

that my breaths were more like panicked wheezes.



	My second thought was: I am a quadriplegia.  Something

freakish has happened and I'll never walk again.  After what seemed an

eternity, the spell abated and I was slowly able to move.



	After the effects wore off I began to think I had some weird

sort of epilepsy.  I am legally blind and I used to be bussed to

school with epileptics and polio sufferers, among other disabled

children.  I saw the helmets some epileptics had to wear.  I also knew

that epilepsy was not always congenital, that it sometimes manifested

long afterward.  I had visions of walking around with a helmet, never

knowing whether I would suddenly fall over on to the pavement.



	So I did what any normal 15-year-old would do in such a

situation: I did nothing and hoped the problem would go away.  It

didn't.  Every once in a while, I would experience more bouts.

Eventually I gathered enough nerve to confide in my doctor.  She had

never heard of such a thing and was at a loss as to what the cause

might be.  I underwent a battery of neurological tests but those

yielded nothing which could help determine what was going on.



	After a number of years I began to notice a pattern.  All but

two of my episodes of paralysis occurred when I was lying down in an

extremely relaxed state (including sleep).  I will deal with the two

exceptions at the end of this article.



	In all cases, except those two, I was either sleeping, or

nearing sleep when I experienced the paralysis.  In all cases of

paralysis after sleep, all occurred while waking from a dream state.

Putting two and two together, I deduced that there must be some link

between the sleep paralysis and the dream state.



	When we drift off to sleep, we often go straight into a dream

state.  Hence, it was logical for me to believe that I experienced the

paralysis while entering a dream state.  Thus I hypothesized that my

experience of paralysis while drifting off to sleep was linked with

entering the dream state, whereas I knew from experience, that

paralysis occurred while exiting the dream state.



	I have subsequently communicated with a number of people who

also experience paralysis while drifting off into sleep, or while

exiting the dream state.  



	When we dream, our bodies are, for the most part, paralyzed.

We might twitch occasionally or, in the case of a really horrific

nightmare, manage to thrash about.  In most cases, however, the only

part of our bodies which can really move per se are our eyes.

Everyone knows about REMs or rapid eye movements.  Our other muscles,

including our extremities, are paralyzed while we dream.



	Armed with this knowledge, sleep paralysis becomes easily

understood medically.  Anyone who has experience half-sleep knows how

easy it is to see images dance in front of one's eyes.  In fact, as we

drift off into sleep, we often see bizarre things.  This is called the

hypnogogic state of sleep.



	It seems that some people go far enough into the dream state,

as to bring on the natural on set of paralysis which accompanies

dreams.  With these individuals, however, there is still some quality

of wakefulness.  It is as if the mind anticipates moving into the

dream state at the onset of sleep, and "jumps the gun" so to speak by

initiating the physiological manifestations which are a part of the

dream state.  At the other end of the spectrum, sometimes the mind

lags behind as a person drifts into wakefulness.  The mind retains the

natural dream paralysis a little longer than normal.  Thus a person

such as myself, sometimes wakes paralyzed.  After a while the mind

catches up and normal movement is restored.



	In short, then, sleep paralysis is not an abnormal medical

treatment.  There is no need to panic.  I recommend one simple rule to

follow when experiencing sleep paralysis.  Ask yourself one simple

question: "Am I able to breathe."  If the answer to this question is

"yes," then relax.  You will get normal movement eventually.



Sleep Paralysis and False Awakenings



	Dreamers sometimes experience the phenomenon known as false

awakening.  A false awakening occurs when you dream that you are

awake.  You really believe you are awake.  You act as though you are

awake.  Eventually, the dream shifts or you wake up in truth.

Sometimes paralysis is noticed during a false awakening.  Since you

believe you are truly awake, however, you believe you have entered the

waking world paralyzed.  Then the fear and panic set in and you have

the makings of a very unpleasant experience.



	If you experience paralysis, remember that you are either

still dreaming, probably experiencing a false awakening, or your mind

is still in dream mode, and it will adjust accordingly of its own

volition.



	A number of people I have spoken to say they hear noises while

in the paralysis state.  Audio sensation seems to dominate the

experience rather than visual sensation.  However, visual images can

appear as well.  These experiences seem to lend themselves to the link

between sleep paralysis and the dream state.



	Whether you are dreaming you are awake, or whether your mind

is slightly out of sync with your actual state, there is nothing to

fear from sleep paralysis and, as we shall see, potentially a great

deal to gain.



The Currents of Paralysis



	There is one final medical phenomenon to discuss relating to

sleep paralysis.  It has to do with the current.  When an epileptic

has a seizure, he short circuits, so to speak.  It's like a laser gun

going off inside your head.  Sleep paralysis is similar.



	When I experience sleep paralysis, I can feel an electric

current running through my head and down my body.  The current seems

to originate from the back of my head, about half way between the

crown of the head, and the base of the neck.  The current starts

there, then expands outward left and right, then goes down my body.

When in a paralyzed state I become stiff.  This is also similar to an

epileptic seizure and it is why I originally thought I had some form

of epilepsy.



	When we dream we are usually unaware of this current.  Lucid

dreamers, however, often feel a "thrill" running through their bodies.

I certainly feel an electric "thrill" most times I become lucid in a

dream.  It is interesting to note that a number of people experience

sleep paralysis after a lucid dream.  The current is the brain's way

of shutting the body down during sleep and preventing the muscles from

doing any work.



	With a lot of practice, a person can actually induce these

currents and bring on the paralysis state.  I do not know, however,

whether such efforts carry any medical side effects.



Out of Body but Hopefully Not Out of Mind



	In additional to noticing a link between the dream state and

sleep paralysis, I began to notice something else far more interesting

and disconcerting.  It was much easier for me to have an OBE while in

a paralysis state than when not in one.  I am not an expert in OBE's.

I cannot simply say: "I think I'll go lie down and have an OBE now."

When I am in a state of sleep paralysis, however, I can, in fact, do

just that.	 The link between sleep paralysis and dreaming

explains why this is so.  Dreamers often float out of their body, or

become two or more people simultaneously.  This is a rather

disconcerting experience no matter how many times it happens.  But it

does happen.



	It is one thing to go out of body during a dream.  After all,

it is just a dream.  It is quite another matter to go out of body

while awake.  The possibilities of traveling out of one's body in the

"real world" are easy to see.  If this can indeed be done, there is no

end to what one could do.



	When experiencing an OBE from the paralyzed state, it is easy

for images to dance in front of me, thereby indicating I am either

dreaming, or very close to it.  There are, however, ways of having an

OBE from the paralyzed state while awake.  Some people might suggested

that the paragraphs which follow describe a prolonged false awakening

instead of a genuine OBE in the "real world."  I do not wish to enter

the debate because my knowledge is limited.  I will say, though, that

whether it is a false awakening or not, it certainly seems like I am

awake and I can easily see why others feel the same.



Stabilizing The Dream



	Dream control is not easy and is really only possible when

lucid.  Dream stabilization is the process whereby the dreamer keeps

the dream in one place.  Instead of having dancing images, or the

scene suddenly shifting to something else, the scene remains constant

and ordered, just as it does in the waking world.  Oh, you might be

standing on a green mountain of ice cream, but the green mountain of

ice cream stays there.  It doesn't suddenly become the Empire State

Building.  Dream characters stay there as real people do in the waking

world.  More importantly, the theme stays consistent.



	Achieving dream stabilization takes practice, lots of

practice, but its benefits are enormous.  If you wish to experience an

OBE in the waking world, dream stabilization techniques are crucial.

The theoretical process is very simple.  It is akin to meditation.

You calm and center yourself, fully aware you are dreaming.  You

calmly rest your mind.  A wandering mind in the dream state can

produce any number of shifts and permutations.  A stable mind at rest

will produce a stable dream.



	Thus, when you experience an OBE from the paralyzed state, or

any state for that matter, the first thing you need to do is calm

down.  If you have never experienced an OBE, I can assure you it is

one of the most disconcerting things you will ever experience.  You

will feel stranger than you ever have before.  Calming down is not

easy.  Once you do calm down, however, rest your mind.  Center your

mind.  Pretend you are meditating and your waking surroundings will

remain stable.



	Of course, when I say: "center your mind" remember that now,

your mind is not in your brain.  Chances are you are above your body

looking down at yourself.  So when you center yourself, remember your

body is no long the center.  Instead, it is where your consciousness

is.  If that consciousness is a metre or two above your body, so be

it.



Once Stabilized Are You Really Awake?



	External events and sensations can easily enter our dreams.

The dog barking can become the monster in our dreams.  The need to go

to the toilet in reality, can translate to a never-ending dream search

for that elusive dream toilet.  The alarm clock can translate into a

dream police sirens.  



	If an OBE is really a dream, then one can still allow reality

to creep in as much as possible.  If I lie in my bedroom and have an

OBE, I can shift the dream to my bedroom, experiencing a false

awakening.  In addition, however, I can let external reality enter my

dream.  Since my dream reality exactly mirrors the waking world, I

believe it is quite possible to experience OBE's in the "real world."

For example, suppose I am out of my body and I have stabilized my

dream to exactly mirror reality.  I hear the dog bark.  This is easy

to do in the half sleep state I am now in.  I can move my now bodiless

consciousness to the dog outside and watch what he is doing.  At

least, I believe this is possible.



	In short, even if an OBE is a dream, it is possible to explain

OBE's in the "real world."  Of course, if the OBE is not a dream,

there is no need to explain anything.  An OBE as a dream does not

necessarily void the OBE experience.  



	The American Indians to not differentiate between

hallucination and dream.  Very few, if any, ancient cultures really

do.  Why should we?  For centuries, mystics have had visions while

supposedly awake.  What if it is possible for people to achieve a

dream state while still retaining wakefulness.  Once achieved, the

dreamer can move his dream body around.  The dreamer is in a half

sleep state, neither sleeping nor awake.  I believe this forms the

most logical explanation of what an OBE really is.



The Technique of OBE



	I am not an OBE expert, but I can share what works for me.

For myself, I find it easier to stand beside my body than to float

above it.  Once I am standing off to the side, I can then move above

if I wish.  I find it difficult, for some reason, to go directly above

myself.  This gives new meaning to being "beside myself."  As a side

note, people experiencing nervous breakdowns often experience OBE's as

well.  The ancient Greeks understood this.  Their expression for

"madness" or "insanity" was being "beside oneself." 



	My technique is pretty simple.  I imagine myself standing

somewhere other than where I am.  I block out everything else, no

wandering thoughts allowed!  I imagine my center at another point from

my body.  I imagine my room from this new vantage point.  I try, as

much as possible, to forget my body.  In effect, I delude myself into

thinking my body is elsewhere.  I know I am succeeding when I feel

myself leave my body.  I often feel like there is an attached chord,

usually attached to my midsection.  I can feel the cord tightening the

further I get away.  After a while, this sensation -- a most

disconcerting one -- lessens in intensity and I feel a great freedom.



	The idea is not to feel, see, hear, smell, or taste anything

from your body.  Removing feeling and vision are the hardest to

achieve.  Breathing is an autonomic process so you do not need to

worry about forgetting to breath.  Experience everything you can from

your new locus, somewhere beside or above your body.  



		Since an OBE is a half sleep state, you should be able

to maintain it for as long as you wish, within reason.  The more you

move toward dream, the shorter your OBE will be.  At least that is

what I have found.



The Dangers of Sleep Paralysis



	I mentioned there were two episodes of paralysis which did not

fall into the scope of the above observations.  Both of these occurred

during exams time in college.  In both cases, I was exhausted and

under a good deal of stress.  I wanted to sleep.  My body cried out

for it.  In those two circumstances, my body started moving me toward

it of its own volition.



	In one instance I was taking my sophomore English exam.

During the middle of the test, I began to feel very groggy and thirsty

(thirst seems to accompany sleep paralysis for some reason).  I asked

the teacher whether I could get a drink of water.  He gave me

permission.  I went outside the class room, found the nearest place to

sit down, and proceeded to become paralyzed.  I could not control it

at this point.  When the paralysis abated, I got a drink of water,

returned to the examination room, and finished the test.  I even

managed to pass!



	In the second instance, which actually took place the previous

year (I put this last because it is more dramatic), the guys and I

decided a good swim in the lake was in order.  I was exhausted and

under stress (what else is new).  I am a good swimmer.  We swam out to

this island in the middle of the lake, approximate 400 metres from

shore.  As I walked on the island, I felt really dizzy and groggy.

Instead of resting, I decided to swim toward shore and rest there.  I

knew something was wrong.  The island did not offer much in the way of

shelter.  Being a good swimmer, I thought I could make the 400 metre

distance as it would normally be child's play for me.



	About half way there I felt the current start.  I knew I was a

goner as my muscles stiffened up.  By this time, I couldn't shout for

help.  I took one last breath, and sank into the depths.  I was in

approximately 30' of water.  I had a reputation for diving down and

spending time near the bottom so none of my friends thought anything

unusual had happened.  Yet there I was, completely paralyzed and under

water.  I was fully conscious!  In those days, I hadn't established a

dream link and, in any case, such knowledge was useless in this

situation.



	I tried frantically to move but failed.  Slowly, reluctantly,

I resigned myself to drowning.  It wasn't so bad really.  In fact,

after what seemed an eternity of agony, in which all I wanted in life

was to breath, a sort of euphoria descended.  I slowly moved outside

myself and looked around, somewhat bemused, at the murky water

surrounding me.  I felt no more agony, just relief and release.  Then

I imagined people finding my lifeless bloated body floating face down

in the water and a sense of revulsion and fright took over.  I did not

want to end like this.



	Strangely, I was able to remain calm.  I focused every ounce

of energy and consciousness on moving my right arm.  I moved back into

myself.  Every fiber of my being went into moving my right arm.

Slowly, the fingers moved, then the arm was able to twitch a little.

Then, gradually, movement became easier.  I began to pull myself

toward the surface with my right arm.  It seemed like a lead weight

hung from it at first, but slowly it gained momentum and I broke the

surface.  By this time my right arm was moving frantically and

gradually, the rest of me was able to move.



	None of my friends were skilled life savers so I did not call

on them to drag me in.  Chances of a double drowning were too great.

I made it to shore just as I collapsed.  When I finally got to the

dorm I was pretty much incapacitated for eight hours and I must have

blacked out because I don't remember much of it.  It was after that

episode that I went to the doctor and confided in my "problem."



	My purpose in relating this story is not to scare anyone who

experience sleep paralysis, but merely to point out the danger.  If

you are extremely tired, or under a great deal of stress, your chances

of sleep paralysis increases dramatically.  Your body, like mine, may

decide to take matters into its own hands.  There is nothing to fear

if you are careful.  Of course, if you want to be stupid like me and

swim for it rather than resting on the island, well, you take your

chances.  But if you keep this warning in mind, you can turn your

sleep paralysis into a gateway for OBE's.  Sleep paralysis means you

have an easier time experiencing the dream state while still retaining

part of the waking state.  This is something not everyone can do so

take advantage of your head start. You can do a lot of wonderful and

exciting things in dreams.  Imagine being awake at the same time!  The

potential is awesome.  Conquer your natural fear.  There is nothing to

be afraid of.  Once that is gone, the sky's the limit.  On second

thought, in this case, perhaps the sky is only the beginning!







	





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Subject: Re: Sleep Paralysis

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 12 Feb 1997 07:30:05 -0700

--------

mbreault@ozemail.com.au (Marc Breault) wrote:



>I recently posted a short article on this newsgroup about sleep

>paralysis.  The response to it surprised me and I thought I would

>write a more thorough one.

(major snipping)

>Eventually I gathered enough nerve to confide in my doctor.  She had

>never heard of such a thing and was at a loss as to what the cause

>might be. 

  It is also known as "lucid dreaming" ... the circuitry that

paralyses you during dreams is active outside the dream state.



>Sleep Paralysis and False Awakenings

>	Dreamers sometimes experience the phenomenon known as false

>awakening.  A false awakening occurs when you dream that you are

>awake.  You really believe you are awake.  You act as though you are

>awake.  Eventually, the dream shifts or you wake up in truth.

  I've often dreamed I woke up and went to work ... it's quite

bizarre when they call to see where I am, and I say "I'm in the

lab."



>The Currents of Paralysis

>	When I experience sleep paralysis, I can feel an electric

>current running through my head and down my body. 

 You too?





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Subject: Re: Sleep Paralysis

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 13 Feb 1997 09:33:28 GMT

--------

I find it is a particular position I am lying in when sleep paralysis

happens.  I am very careful not to lie that way if I don't want to

experience an OBE.  I believe it is connected to a drop in blood pressure,

also.  Once you get over the awful fear and sinking, it can be a fantastic

gateway, but be prepared for the truth to appear to you-it can be a

shocker if you're not "prayed up." I never allow it to happen if my life

is not in order or I'm upset.  

T.





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Subject: Re: Sleep Paralysis

From: Steve Brock <stephen_brock@bmc.com>

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:56:16 -0600

--------

Marc Breault wrote:

> 

> I recently posted a short article on this newsgroup about sleep

> paralysis.  The response to it surprised me and I thought I would

> write a more thorough one.

> 

> Sleep Paralysis and OBE's

>          Copyright Marc Breault, February 1997

I recently heard an interview with a researcher from the sleep center at

UT Austin.

If I understood him correctly, sleep paralysis is a vital part of

everyone's sleep

cycle. Sleep paralysis is what prevents people, an animals, from

injuring themselves

during REM sleep.  This topic came up because some one called in worried

about an

elderly relative that was experiencing something akin to sleep walking.

The caller

was afraid that the relative might hurt themselves, or others, while

acting out in

their dreams.  There is a name for this lack of paralysis, but I forget

what they 

called it.  

The researcher suggested that you watch a dog dream sometimes, you'll

notice they all

they can do is twitch their feet, people can wiggle their hands and feet

but that's it.







Just thought I'd share that.



--Steve





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Earaches

From: "Brian Dock" <thedocks@computer-services.com>

Date: 12 Feb 1997 14:47:25 GMT

--------

I have read here a number of times that a remedy for an earache is a few

drops of warm oil in the ear. What kind of oil works best? I'm trying to

get a few supplies on hand for my kids. Thanks!!

Romana





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Subject: Re: Earaches

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:15:34 GMT

--------

"Brian Dock" <thedocks@computer-services.com> wrote:



>I have read here a number of times that a remedy for an earache is a few

>drops of warm oil in the ear. What kind of oil works best? 



Garlic.  Some add mullein with it.  Garlic treats the infection and

mullein supposedly helps with pain.  I like a product

at herb shops called Michael's Garlic Goldenseal oil, but

I add fresh garlic to it by crushing two cloves of garlic and mixing

it with 1t or so of this oil, strain, and use.  Fresh garlic juice

probably works as well.  For acute infection, though, always see

a doctor since ear infections can quickly get out of hand

and cause permanent damage.



To help prevent ear infections, avoid unsterile dairy products.  Treat

nasal or lung congestion and infection immediately since they seem to

spread to the ears in children.  During infection, avoid grain

products if possible.



turf







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Subject: English Herb Writer wanted.

From: Nik <Spliffy@greenfingers.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:18:57 +0000

--------

Hi,

This is not a spam, so please don't disregard it.  internetgarden.com is

a new site which aims to foster new gardening talent on the WWW.  Whilst

we host a number of American sites we really would like to find someone

with a sound knowledge of English/European herbs, who would like to

share their knowledge on the WWW.  The Internet garden will help create

your pages, graphics etc, so if you're interested please contact us at:



keeper@internetgarden.co.uk

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Subject: Health Promoting Herbs and Minerals at budget minded prices

From: sdlooker@mindspring.com (FRANK HOCZA)

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:19:35 GMT

--------

I am now able to offer Health Promoting Herbs and Minerals at budget minded prices. 



These are all fresh, recent dated Herbs and prepackaged and sealed from the factory. 



I also have a source for Live Plants and seeds for those interested in growing or processing



their own Healing Herbs. Pamphlets detailing how to grow, or process herbs are only $1. 



If you have specific health needs we have pamphlets detailing the herbal properties of each Herb



these are also only $1 and the price goes down as you order more. 



Please email me with your  needs - type , volume, and your location and I will reply with a price and value



which can't be beat.  Thank You for your attention. Frank E Hocza





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Subject: Re: Health Promoting Herbs and Minerals at budget minded prices

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:28:22 GMT

--------

On Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:19:35 GMT, sdlooker@mindspring.com (FRANK HOCZA) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I am now able to offer Health Promoting Herbs and Minerals at budget minded prices. 

>These are all fresh, recent dated Herbs and prepackaged and sealed from the factory. 



Yo man, you sell factory-grown herbs? Cool. 



Leaving the rest unsaid, except to your postmaster,

and having fun,

Henriette



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Subject: Help for snoring?

From: salam@nh.ultranet.com

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:13:14 -0500

--------

I need to find the right herbs to releave snoring.  My problem is not

allergy or conjestion.  There is a drug called Robutussin that seems to

work. I'd rather take herbs.  There is also an herbal tablet called

Silent-Nite, do you know anything about it?  Thanks.







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Subject: Natural SHAMPOO??

From: cupowater@aol.com (CupOwater)

Date: 13 Feb 1997 01:57:41 GMT

--------

Does anyone have a simple recipe for a homeade natural shampoo that is

very very mild?





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Subject: Re: Natural SHAMPOO??

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:45:50 GMT

--------

On 13 Feb 1997 01:57:41 GMT, cupowater@aol.com (CupOwater) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Does anyone have a simple recipe for a homeade natural shampoo that is

>very very mild?



Yes. The leaves and root of Saponaria (soapwort) have been used in Europe for

that. Leaves and root: boil, strain, let cool a bit, and wash your hair. (If you

dig the root yourself: rinse it first, but you knew that).

It's a nice plant, you can fascinate any kid (and most adults) by rubbing the

root (or leaves) in a bit of water ;)



I believe that Yucca has been used similarly, but it doesn't grow here, so I

haven't tried it.



Henriette



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Subject: Breathe Easy .....

From: JCM <seltek@computek.net>

Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:03:25 -0800

--------

There is an air purifier made by Alpine called "Living Air" and I would

really like to know something more about this system.  The purifier puts

out ozone which works by chemically binding with particles thereby

removing them from the air. Some  of the particles may fall to the

ground while others get sucked into the filter where particles are

trapped.

Periodically you clean the filter.



Then somebody told me that ozone is very harmful to breathe because

ozone chemically is O3. When you breathe O3 is combines with the water

and moisture in your body and creates H2O2 (which is peroxide).  It the

ozone is in high enough concentrations a person would experience severe

irritation such as in the lungs.  It all depends on how much ozone the

machine is putting out. Generally speaking if one can smell the ozone

it's too much ozone.



Can anyone tell me how much ozone this purifier generates?  Also what is

the maximum ozone threshold? 



Has anyone had an experience with this particular machine (air

purifier)and  had if there is anyone who has noticed a significant 

improvement, please let me know. Thanks.  JCM  <seltek@computek.net>





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Subject: Re: Breathe Easy .....

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 03:59:13 GMT

--------

JCM <seltek@computek.net> wrote:



>and moisture in your body and creates H2O2 (which is peroxide).  



True - it can be helpful but in general is an oxididant.  I would more

recommend a hepa device with a negative ion generator built in.  It

will also cause particles to precipitate, but you can use it on a

sheet of grounded aluminum foil to catch most of them.



turf







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Subject: Re: Breathe Easy .....

From: Mommy Birdy <cgoeglein@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:11:21 -0500

--------

JCM wrote:

> 

> There is an air purifier made by Alpine called "Living Air" and I would

> really like to know something more about this system.  The purifier puts

> out ozone which works by chemically binding with particles thereby

> removing them from the air. Some  of the particles may fall to the

> ground while others get sucked into the filter where particles are

> trapped.

> Periodically you clean the filter.

> 

> Then somebody told me that ozone is very harmful to breathe because

> ozone chemically is O3. When you breathe O3 is combines with the water

> and moisture in your body and creates H2O2 (which is peroxide).  It the

> ozone is in high enough concentrations a person would experience severe

> irritation such as in the lungs.  It all depends on how much ozone the

> machine is putting out. Generally speaking if one can smell the ozone

> it's too much ozone.

> 

> Can anyone tell me how much ozone this purifier generates?  Also what is

> the maximum ozone threshold?

> 

> Has anyone had an experience with this particular machine (air

> purifier)and  had if there is anyone who has noticed a significant

> improvement, please let me know. Thanks.  JCM  <seltek@computek.net>





I tried one of these and it smelled awful to me and made my asthma 

worse.  But I am VERY sensitive to things.  It could have been just me. 

 But I didn't buy the machine for that reason.  Ask the person who sells 

it if you could try it for a week.  



Mommy Birdy









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Subject: Re: Breathe Easy .....

From: mpritche@leo.vsla.edu (Marge Pritchett)

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:53:05 GMT

--------

Hi, 

	Interesting that you should mention a correlation

between breathing ozone and lung irritation. My stepfather

sells Alpines and my mother just recently developed pleurisy(a

lung inflammation) while recovering from some surgery at home.

I wonder if the Alpine had anything to do with it? I can smell

something in the air- a heaviness - when I enter their house.

Seems like a rather expensive item to me.

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Subject: What is best for complexion?

From: mfauve <mfauve@icx.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 06:53:14 -0400

--------

What herb or essential oil is best for a clear complexion? I have had

some success with 100 percent Tea Tree oil.

Thanks!!!

 

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Subject: Introduction to Ganoderma #01

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 06:41:08 -0600

--------

Introduction to Ganoderma #01

Cultivation:



For thousands of years Ganoderma has been considered by the Chinese a

high quality herbal medicine. The so-called "A-one Medicine" is the best

medicine which does not have any side effects, even after using it for a

long time. It can improve one's constitution and increase the body's

healing ability, thus helping maintain a healthy body and have a long

life. "The Outline of Herbal Medicine", written by a very famous Chinese

pharmacologist Dr. Li Shin-chen,classifies Ganoderma into six categories

by color: Black Ganoderma, Purple Ganoderma,Blue Ganoderma, White

Ganoderma, Yellow Ganoderma and Red Ganoderma.



Successful Cultivation:



Wild Ganoderma is very rare and is difficult to collect. Even if someone

finds it by chance, it is usually as hard as leather and may be toxic

due to aging, thus losing its effects. Further, as it is haphazardly

collected, quality control is impossible. In 1970, Mr. Yukio Naoi, a

technician at Foodstuff Scientific Research Institute of Kyoto

University, used "Spore Separation Cultivation Method" to cultivate

Ganodermas successfully. This method was then introduced to the Republic

of China in 1975. Since the climate, temperature, humidity and soil

conditions in Taiwan are ideal, this technique has been widely adopted.

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Subject: Re: Introduction to Ganoderma #01

From: Jerry Haugen <mycowrld@cdsnet.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:56:50 -0800

--------

Rastapoodle wrote:

> 

> Please supply more information on Ganoderma.  here in South Florida it

> is recognized as a killer of Canary Island Palm trees. The disease was

> recognized here in the past two or three years, and we are losing many

> of our large, beautiful specimen trees to the fungus.

> 

> Any insights?



Ganoderma lucidum is often parasitic in the wild.  It is well

distributed around the world.  I don't know what you can do about it

except breed resistant trees.  Perhaps there is a fungicide that could

be injected into the tree.  If that is your concern, you might post your

question to bionet.mycology.



This mushroom (also known as varnished conk, Ling Chih, reishi etc.) is

also saprophytic (a wood rotter) and is cultivated on dead wood,

typically sawdust.  It prefers hardwoods.  It has a lot of potential

uses ranging from toothpaste to bandages to tea.  For a tea recipe see: 

http://www.cdsnet.net/Business/mushroom/reishirec.html



-Jerry-

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Subject: Introduction to Ganoderma #02

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 06:41:25 -0600

--------

Introduction to Ganoderma #02

The Magical Effects of Ganoderma.



Ganoderma has been always shrouded with a mysterious curtain

 for more than a thousand years. People only know "Ganodermas

 can keep one young and give one a long life if taken continuously",

 but no one had ever scientifically investigated why it is

 so effective.



Under the attentive research done by both Chinese and foreign scholars

 in recent years, and the cooperative analysis and clinical experiments

 done by hospitals, colleges, and pharmaceutical manufacturers,

 its extensive efficacy has finally been discovered.

 It can function as a hemocatharsis, detoxicant, diuretic,

 liver protector, intestine regulator, cardiotonic, blood pressure

 adjustor, cold tonic, antitussive and expectorant, tranquilizer

 and anti-tumor drug.

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Subject: Seawrack

From: grabec@aol.com

Date: 13 Feb 1997 18:53:00 GMT

--------

Does anyone know anything about this herb. I may be spelling it wrong.





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Subject: Re: Seawrack

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 13 Feb 1997 19:13:02 -0700

--------

grabec@aol.com wrote:



>Does anyone know anything about this herb. I may be spelling it wrong.



Seawrack ... sometimes spelled sea-rack ... is a kind of seaweed.

Would be high in iodine and rather fishy tasting.

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Subject: ear infection

From: Andy Hursey <hursah@conterra.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:00:16 -0500

--------

WHAT TYPE OF HERB CAN HELP??





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Subject: carnitina

From: Cerulli <echonet@ulisse.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:04:20 +0100

--------

anyone can tell me something about the carnitina and its effets on the

muscle tone and on the sport life?



thanks

Antonietta Bertoldi



antonia@ulisse.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kava-KavaHI:

From: infomaui@mauigateway.com

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:23:50 GMT

--------



HI:

I have Kava Kava plants I need live goldenseal roots and/or Echinacea

"Angustifolia" live plants. I will be happy to trade.

Chris

 







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Subject: Kava + Hypericum

From: timb@defcen.GOV.AU (T. Jim Benham)

Date: 14 Feb 1997 12:14:12 +1100

--------

I have obtained some good results from the combination of kava kava and

St. John's wort, despite contraindications (the wort is a MAOI). If anyone else has 

experience or comments on this or similar combinations please share.

-- 

                                 People who like this sort of thing

                             will find this the sort of thing they like.

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Subject: Growing Quality Herbs

From: gmalm@ix.netcom.com

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:10:16 -0800

--------

I have a question concerning growing your own herbs. I am a self-employed 

gardener in California, 60 miles north of San Francisco. One of my 

clients has offered me use of  an acre of land with some labor donated to 

develop an organic garden. If I develope it I can choose the plant 

material. I'm thinking 25% veggies and 75% herbs.  What the owner has 

offered is that I could share in the proceeds from marketing any excess. 

I would like to focus on medicinal and aromatic herbs BUT I don't know 

which herbs are in the most demand and shortest supply. Can someone help 

me with a  list of the top 10 best selling, hardest to get, fun to grow, 

and interesting herbs? My personal interest in this project is mostly 

horticultural and medicinal; with strings attached I must also consider 

marketing. Any and all input would be appreciated.



Thanks, Gary

gmalm@ix.netcom.com





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Subject: Re: Growing Quality Herbs

From: krisgock@voicenet.com (krisgock)

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 01:18:33 GMT

--------

gmalm@ix.netcom.com wrote:



>I would like to focus on medicinal and aromatic herbs BUT I don't know 

>which herbs are in the most demand and shortest supply. Can someone help 

>me with a  list of the top 10 best selling, hardest to get, fun to grow, 

>and interesting herbs? 



      Hi Gary,

          

You did say ANY and all info so here's some of the ones that I most

like to buy:



       Echinacea--nothing could be easier to grow either!

       St. John's Wort

       Skullcap--great for sleeping, nerves etc

       Valerian--same thing

       Mugwort--dreams are "hot" this year and this is supposed to

give you "phophetic" dreams.

       Comfrey

       Feverfew

       Orris Root--for potpourri--usually costs and arm and a leg so

you could probably make some money on that one!

       Rosemary--difficult to propagate sometimes so you could sell

started seedlings with no problem--another "dream" item since it's

supposed to help you remember them.



         This is merely MY short list from a comsumer's point of view!

     

  Hope it helps a little.  Take care,

Kris          

My personal interest in this project is mostly 

>horticultural and medicinal; with strings attached I must also consider 

>marketing. Any and all input would be appreciated.



>Thanks, Gary

>gmalm@ix.netcom.com









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Subject: Bora flowers

From: us000483@mindspring.com (vedder)

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 04:21:58 GMT

--------

Does anyone know what bora flowers are good for?  Please answer soon,

my son is making my husband tea with them.

Judy Vedder

us000483@mindspring.com







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Oxygen / Peroxide

From: ddinoto@greatlakes.net (Dawn)

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 06:49:11 GMT

--------

Hello...



I was wondering if anyone has or is using a supplement of

Oxygen....hydrogen peroxide, magnesium peroxide, chlorine peroxide, or

ozone.  If so, what are you using this for, and what results have you

had?  Any info you could give would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks!







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Subject: Introduction to Ganoderma #03

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 05:21:15 -0600

--------

Introduction to Ganoderma #03

Important Components of Ganoderma:



1. Organic Germanium (Ge): Can increase the ability of blood to absorb

oxygen by up to 1.5

times; can promote metabolism and prevent tissue degeneration.



2. Polysaccharide: Can improve the body's immune system and eliminate

viruses. It has been

refined to medical quality by some Japanese pharmaceutical companies and

been approved by the

Koseisho Health Department in Japan as health-care medicine.



3. Adenosine: Can inhibit the thrombosis, purify the blood and improve the

circulatory system.

Although some plants may contain germanium or polysaccharide, they are not

like Ganoderma

which contains both of these two components and is much effective as a

result of the interrelation of

germanium and polysaccharide.



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Subject: Introduction to Ganoderma #03

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 06:31:08 -0600

--------

Introduction to Ganoderma #04

Medical Principles of Ganoderma:



According to Dr. Shigeru Yuji's clinical experiments, the reason why

Ganoderma

 is effective is due to its following basic functions:



1. To lower cholesterol in the blood and the amount of excessive fat.



2. To reduce blood's sugar level and restore pancreas functions.



3. To lower blood lipids and stabilize red cell membrane.



4. To lower platelet's agglutination, lyse thrombi and inhibit the

thrombosis

due to the content of adenosine in it.



5. To improve the functions of the cortex of adrenal glands, thus helping

maintain endocrine balance.



6. To reinforce the body's immune system.



7. To prevent tissue cell degeneration.



8. To prevent senility and help maintain a youthful constitution.



9. To reduce the side effects of antihypertensive drugs.



10. To prevent organ degeneration.



11. To inhibit the histamine-releasing mast cell, thus preventing allergy

caused by antigens.



12. To prevent cancer and inhibit cancer cell metastasis.



     a) To have special function to normalize and prevent tissue

        degeneration.



     b) To prevent cancer patients from sudden death caused by embolism.



     c) To inhibit the thrombosis, lyse the thrombi on the wall of

        surrounding tissue, and help  prevent cancer medication from

        being blocked to increase its effectiveness.

     d) To relieve  pain caused by cancer.

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Subject: Whats Worked For Your Hair?

From: davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano)

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:36:00 GMT

--------

Hello...I'm just looking for personal testimonies on what you have

used to help your hair...as in regrowth for men with hair loss,

.anything that has helped the quality of your hair, or someone you

may know! Thanks in advance for your reply!! Dave(davecam@prgone.com)





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Subject: Re: Whats Worked For Your Hair?

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 01:24:48 GMT

--------

davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano) spoke with these words:



>Hello...I'm just looking for personal testimonies on what you have

>used to help your hair...as in regrowth for men with hair loss,

>.anything that has helped the quality of your hair, or someone you

>may know! Thanks in advance for your reply!! Dave(davecam@prgone.com)





Horsetail does.







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Subject: Re: Whats Worked For Your Hair?

From: d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:04:50 +0000

--------

Taking Lethicin internally (capsules or granules).  It thickened and 

filled in my brother's thinning/balding hair considerably;  as well as 

helping thicken my own thinning hair a few years ago.  It also helps 

unruly hair behave better (or so it seems to help my son's).



Vitamin E (taken internally on a regular basis) also helps the quality 

of hair overall ... can forestall and/or reverse graying, promote shiny, 

strong, healthy strands, and thicken  hair (or so has been my 

experience.)



Rosemary (shampoo and/or oil) stalls greying hair, and seems to 

reverse it.  Using the oil is best, but a good quality Rosemary 

shampoo used regularly helps.  If one applies the oil, use sparingly.  

A little goes a long way.



Hot oil treatments in general, applied to hair then covered w/steamed 

towels ... are an old fashioned remedy which are sworn by to me by a 

number of friends.  (I generally havent the patience for the time it 

takes.)  Results:  thicker, shiny, stronger, healthier hair.  (And, if you 

saw their hair, you wld surely believe it works :-)



Using natural base shampoos w/herbs make a great deal of 

difference in the overall appearance of hair.   They bring out natural 

color/highlights of your hair, as opposed to most commercial 

shampoos w/oodles of chemicals which tend to dullen and/or even 

damage hair.  This is especially noticeable on people w/brown hair 

(which tends to be a kinda blah color, or so I grew up thinking).  Now 

my hair is shiny with red, blonde, and a variety of light to dark brown 

strands (and some grey; but hey, i dont mind .... i call it rainbow hair ;-)



d





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Subject: Re: Whats Worked For Your Hair?

From: mcrudy@fdldotnet.com (Wakerobin)

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:51:49 GMT

--------

I only use natural things to enhance my hair.  The best conditioner I

ever used is henna.  You can get neutral if you don't want any color

change or you can get shades that will enhance your natural color or

add highlights of copper, gold, or red.  It makes my hair very, very

shiny with wonderful highlights; adds body and makes it manageable.

The effect lasts through many shapoos.   I usually shampoo with

natural products or gentle baby shampoo.  I always follow with a

couple tablespoons of vinegar in a glass of water as a rinse.  It

balances the ph and leaves your hair very shiny.   Once in a while if

I have been baking and have some egg yolks left over;  I work the yolk

through my hair thoroughly.  Let it set for a few minutes and shampoo.

It takes a couple of good lathers to get the egg yolk all out,  and

it's messy, but the conditioning effect is wonderful.  These are all

old fashioned things I learned as a child growing up in Appalachia.



I am going to be 60 years old this year and I have no grey hair.  My

hair looks like it did when I was 20.  Whether due to genetics or hair

care  I cannot say, but the natural care sure doesn't hurt.



--Carroll--







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Subject: Toenail fungus cure

From: perez1129@aol.com (Perez1129)

Date: 14 Feb 1997 17:45:27 GMT

--------

I'm am trying to find a natural remedy to cure a chronic toenail fungus

infection (over 7 years).  What I need is a daily regimen of something

that will actually work other than having to take some prescription drug(

I'm totally against this). Any one out there have a similar problem and

have any luck clearing it up.   It might help to know am I very active in

physically (aerobics, running, walking, weight lifting)and my feet sweat

alot  which could be one of the reason's I can't clear this up.  Any

advice  would be appreciated.



Thanks a million





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Subject: Re: Toenail fungus cure

From: "Ian Redpath" <iredpath@onaustralia.com.au>

Date: 15 Feb 97 09:29:10 GMT

--------

Try pure tea tree oil. I know of a few people with the same problem and

they swear by tea tree oil. Just dab it on after washing and/or put it in

bath water.

-- 

Ian Redpath

Down to Earth Galleries

PO Box 242 South Australia 5422

Phone/Fax 61 08 8651 2549



Perez1129 <perez1129@aol.com> wrote in article

<19970214174500.MAA22300@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> I'm am trying to find a natural remedy to cure a chronic toenail fungus

> infection (over 7 years).  What I need is a daily regimen of something

> that will actually work other than having to take some prescription drug(

> I'm totally against this). Any one out there have a similar problem and

> have any luck clearing it up.   It might help to know am I very active in

> physically (aerobics, running, walking, weight lifting)and my feet sweat

> alot  which could be one of the reason's I can't clear this up.  Any

> advice  would be appreciated.

> 

> Thanks a million

> 





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Subject: Re: Toenail fungus cure

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 15 Feb 1997 07:34:02 -0700

--------

perez1129@aol.com (Perez1129) wrote:



>I'm am trying to find a natural remedy to cure a chronic toenail fungus

>infection (over 7 years).  What I need is a daily regimen of something

>that will actually work other than having to take some prescription drug(

>I'm totally against this). 

   Unfortunately for you, the one really effective treatment IS a

prescription drug that works from the inside out.   It is

deposited in the growing parts of the skin and nails, in the

dermis and epidermis, laying down a barrier between the new cells

and the fungus infection.  As the skin and nails grow, the

infected parts shed off, and eventually the infection is

literally pushed out.

  Treating these things from the outside doesn't work very well

because the skin is such a good defense against chemicals - it

protects the fungus as well as itself.





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Subject: re: Toenail fungus cure

From: barbarabyrnes <barbarabyrnes@mailmasher.com>

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 19:09:32 -0800

--------

Can't vouch for it personally, but I've read that daily foot baths in

diluted apple cider vinegar will alleviate most fungal problems.  1/2 cup

to a small pan of water, soak for 10 minutes, rinse, dry. 



Barbara





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Subject: re: Toenail fungus cure

From: wolfenhnd@aol.com (Wolfenhnd)

Date: 18 Feb 1997 02:37:33 GMT

--------

Just catching up on posts tonight and came across this one.  Earlier today

I found an article on nail fungus in The Herb Companion, Oct/Nov 1995,

p22. (Is that serendipitous, or what?) The author of the article, Jim

Long, used a bath of horsetail/cider vineger for his dad's fingernail

fungus.  It successfully cured the fungus.  Here's his recipe: Mix 1 cup

chopped horsetail palnt with 4 cups of boiling cider vinegar. Boil briefly

and let it steep overnight.  Strain and use.  For athlete's foot, he put

it in a plastic shoebox and dipped his feet briefly after showering.  The

athlete's foot cleared up and never returned.  



Horsetail can often be found growing wild in damp, road side ditches or

alongside railroad tracks or highways.  It is an ancient plant and has

appeared in its present form for eons.



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Subject: Re: Toenail fungus cure

From: Solis <solis@hevanet.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:59:48 -0800

--------

Wolfenhnd wrote:

> 

> Just catching up on posts tonight and came across this one.  Earlier today

> I found an article on nail fungus in The Herb Companion, Oct/Nov 1995,

> p22. (Is that serendipitous, or what?) The author of the article, Jim

> Long, used a bath of horsetail/cider vineger for his dad's fingernail

> fungus.  It successfully cured the fungus.  Here's his recipe: Mix 1 cup

> chopped horsetail palnt with 4 cups of boiling cider vinegar. Boil briefly

> and let it steep overnight.  Strain and use.  For athlete's foot, he put

> it in a plastic shoebox and dipped his feet briefly after showering.  The

> athlete's foot cleared up and never returned.

> 

> Horsetail can often be found growing wild in damp, road side ditches or

> alongside railroad tracks or highways.  It is an ancient plant and has

> appeared in its present form for eons.



Interesting.  Anyone know if horsetail tea or tincture can be used for

Candida infections?  How about the vinegar and horsetail mixture:  can

it be used as a duche for yeast infections?



Solis





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Subject: Re: Toenail fungus cure

From: psilver@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Pat Silver")

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:07:04 GMT

--------

>   Anyone know if horsetail tea or tincture can be used for

> Candida infections?  How about the vinegar and horsetail mixture:  can

> it be used as a duche for yeast infections?

> 

> Solis



Try lavender oil.  Shake a few drops in warm water with a little vinegar 

and douche with that.  It stings on the badly infected patches but it 

clears mine up within a few hours and stops the itch almost immediately.  

It definitely works better than vinegar and water alone.



PatS





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Subject: Re: Toenail fungus cure

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:47:29 -0500

--------

Perez1129 wrote:

> 

> I'm am trying to find a natural remedy to cure a chronic toenail fungus

> infection (over 7 years).  What I need is a daily regimen of something

> that will actually work other than having to take some prescription drug(

> I'm totally against this). Any one out there have a similar problem and

> have any luck clearing it up.   It might help to know am I very active in

> physically (aerobics, running, walking, weight lifting)and my feet sweat

> alot  which could be one of the reason's I can't clear this up.  Any

> advice  would be appreciated.

> 

> Thanks a million

It was mentioned in another post that Tea Tree oil and Black Walnut

together help.





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To: perez1129@aol.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Toenail fungus cure

From: "Curtis K. Siver" <cksiver@digitalexp.com>

Date: 18 Feb 1997 21:49:33 GMT

--------

This message is from Curtis' wife, Frances.



About toe-nail fungus.  I also am very active, running, cycling ect.  I 

live in the south where it is hot and humid.  One of the things I am 

doing is wearing Birkenstock sandles year round (except when I am working 

out or it is raining).  This helps to keep my toes dry.



Some of the herbs that are supposed to work, but have not for me are 

garlic and tea tree oil.  There is even some research on tea-tree oil 

showing its effectiveness on toe nail fungus.  The main fungus on which 

this is effective is Candida.  



Most naturalpaths would say that this type of fungus indicates a general 

overgrowth of candidia albicans in the GI system.  In this case, strict 

dietary measures must be taken.  First of all avoid sweets.  So, I have 

been working with this dietary approach--but so far I can't say it has 

helped at all.  



This type of thing runs in my family.  I think I will just have to have 

it removed sometime in the future and continue to watch my diet 

thereafter. That what seems to work for my mother.  So there you have it.







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Subject: Re: Beware, comparing apples to oranges...

From: "Cj. Aberte" <caberte@spacey.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:47:55 -0500

--------

John Foster wrote:

> 

> I know that melatonin and DHEA are really popular but there is something

> you should be aware of. If I started to take insulin everyday I could make

> myself a diabetic.



This is not a true statement. Someone that doesn't need insulin would

not make themselves diabetic, but would make their bodies react (as a

diabetic would from another cause - ie mimic, not become) with low blood

sugars from storing too much sugar in their fat. BTW diabetic suffer

from HIGH blood sugars, taking insulin would give you LOW blood

sugars!!! Not at all the same thing, except if you go to excess and end

up in a coma from either condition. It's kinda like saying the person in

the hospital with a head injury trauma and coma is diabetic because a

diabetic can end up in a coma too!!! Also, if this statement were true,

all diabetics would eventually be type I insulin dependent diabetics

(not true). If this were true then insulin dosage would be totally

dependent on caloric intake and body weight only (also not true). As a

diabetic on insulin for the past 4 years (and off it for up to 6 mos. at

a time with normal blood sugars) I can tell you that taking insulin DOES

NOT damage the islet cells that produce insulin. They neither make the

pancreas work harder nor less efficiently than before. Even physicians

that study diabetes admit that the factors are far too complex to

subscribe the symptoms of diabetes to a single cause or effect.



Assuming this to be the case, I see no reason to suppose that chemicals

that are not deletrious to the cells that produce DHEA and Melatonin

would damage those cells or produce effects that would inhibit their

function. *IF* there is a self governing system in the body (as there is

for vitamin C - excess is automatically excreted) then it might not make

any difference to the abosorbtion of excessive amounts of these chemical

into the system. You will get what the body says you will get and not a

whit more. *This* would conceivably shut down production of the body's

own chemicals, but again, this does not necessarily equate with

permanent damage to the cells that produce these chemicals. Since there

are times that the body itself makes excess (can be found excreted as a

regular process) and *that* doesn't damage the body, I see no reason to

suppose that it necessarily would in the case of DHEA or melatonin. What

researchers *have* found is that excessive use of the

*neurotransmitters* present in some food supplements will wear out a

nerve's ability to take up and use what is present if constantly

available in the blood system. Again, this is not to say that it

couldn't happen, but I think apples have been compared to oranges here

and assumptions made that are out of the range of the present

information to make!!!



 By putting something there the body produces and the

> body senses its there it will stop producing it,so when you take meletonin

> or DHEA you might get some results but you might actually be making matters

> worse by stopping your body from producing it naturally. This is where you

> get into this all natural delimma. You are taking something and using it

> like the drug philosophies. The best thing to do is to feed and nourish the

> organs of glands that you are trying to shut down by taking the substances

> they produce.   John





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Subject: Re: Beware, comparing apples to oranges...

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 19 Feb 1997 19:52:18 -0700

--------



>John Foster wrote:

>> I know that melatonin and DHEA are really popular but there is something

>> you should be aware of. If I started to take insulin everyday I could make

>> myself a diabetic.



"Cj. Aberte" <caberte@spacey.net> wrote:

>Assuming this to be the case, I see no reason to suppose that chemicals

>that are not deletrious to the cells that produce DHEA and Melatonin

>would damage those cells or produce effects that would inhibit their

>function. *IF* there is a self governing system in the body (as there is

>for vitamin C - excess is automatically excreted) then it might not make

>any difference to the abosorbtion of excessive amounts of these chemical

>into the system. You will get what the body says you will get and not a

>whit more. *This* would conceivably shut down production of the body's

>own chemicals, but again, this does not necessarily equate with

>permanent damage to the cells that produce these chemicals.

   There are many systems that, once shut down, have a difficult

time starting up again.  Many of the hormonal systems are like

that ... taking steroids can turn the adrenal glands off, taking

testesterone can diminish its production byt the testicles (and

the effects can be permanant)

   If you recall the movie 'LORENZO'S OIL", the child's parents

dosed him heavily with the end-products of the lipid metabolic

pathway that was screwed up and managed to shut down the pathway

enough so the child would not be retarded.

   At this point, not enough people have taken enough melatonin

or DHEA to show its safety. 





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Subject: Re: Beware, comparing apples to oranges...

From: Creator@IslandNet.com (Matt Elrod)

Date: 19 Feb 1997 19:36:18 -0800

--------

abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:



}   At this point, not enough people have taken enough melatonin

}or DHEA to show its safety.



I beg to differ.  Cannabis is an extremely potent melatonin booster

and has been safely used for over 5000 years.



Matt Elrod





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: back pain question

From: Rolf D Neill <rooster+@CMU.EDU>

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:27:08 -0500

--------

as a recent convert to the use of herbs as a way to stay healthy, i have

a question.  being so blessed with the bizarre affliction of an extra

vertebrae, i am prone to chronic back pain.  especially muscle tension

accross my shoulders.  could anyone recommend a possible solution, or

point me in the right direction?



thank you,

-rolf 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: back pain question

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 06:13:01 -0700

--------

Rolf D Neill <rooster+@CMU.EDU> wrote:



>as a recent convert to the use of herbs as a way to stay healthy, i have

>a question.  being so blessed with the bizarre affliction of an extra

>vertebrae, i am prone to chronic back pain.  especially muscle tension

>accross my shoulders.



Herbs won't be as effective as physical therapy and prevention,

You might be blaming the extra bone for something caused by

sloppy posture.



1. Exercise, particularly stretching ones, regularly

2. Make sure your computer and work setup is 

    ABSOLUTELY ergonomically correct

3. Take frequent stretching breaks when you are working

    at a sedentary task, like posting to newsgroups

4. Hot packs and massage on the whole back and 

    upper arms as needed

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Subject: Herbs for surgery recovery

From: J&K <jbrim@prysm.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:50:47 -0600

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Hi,



I was wondering if anyone could give some recommendations about good

herbs to expediate recovery from a surgery.  I'm scheduled to have

surgery on Mon. morning to repair 2 inguinal hernias.  I'd like to have

advice on good herbs or natural remedies to help recover from invasive

surgery. They will not be able to do laser surgery in my case.



Thanks kindly!



Karen

jbrim@prysm.net







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Subject: Alternative Treatment - hyperthyroidism

From: T T Koh <taitong@pop.jaring.my>

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 13:53:17 +0800

--------

I will be grateful for any advice, information or experience on

traditional methods like herbs, acupuncture or diet as alternative

methods for treating  Graves' Disease or hyperthyroidism. .





Thank you



T T Koh





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Subject: Re: Alternative Treatment - hyperthyroidism

From: zeeswan@aol.com (ZeeSwan)

Date: 15 Feb 1997 13:13:08 GMT

--------

Ditto, any info on herbal approaches to improve hypothyroidism would be

appreciated.  I have read that kelp, although often recommended is not

good to take as too much is unsafe for a healthy thryoid.  No book on

natural remedies that I have has much on this .



Thanks,



ZeeSwan

alt.folklore herbs





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Subject: Re: Alternative Treatment - hyperthyroidism

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 16 Feb 1997 10:03:38 GMT

--------

zeeswan@aol.com (ZeeSwan) wrote:

>Ditto, any info on herbal approaches to improve hypothyroidism would be

>appreciated.  I have read that kelp, although often recommended is not

>good to take as too much is unsafe for a healthy thryoid.  No book on

>natural remedies that I have has much on this .

>

>Thanks,

>

>ZeeSwan

>alt.folklore herbs





Refer to:



Healing Wise by Susun Weed ISBN 0-9614620-2-7   Ash Tree Publishing



for a lot of information about kelp & other seaweeds



Deb



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disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Subject: Re: Alternative Treatment - hyperthyroidism

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:18:13 -0500

--------

J&K wrote:

> 

> x-no-archive: yes

> 

> I went to see an iridologist.  Though my Tsh lab test appears normal,

> she noticed that my thyroid still did not seem to be functioning

> properly.  I have noticed symptoms as well and do not feel that it is

> under control.

> 

> She recommended adding kelp very gradually and monitoring my daily

> temperatures.  My morning temps are usually 95-97 (quite low at

> times!).  I have not yet started to take the kelp, but I will buy some

> soon and try it out.

> 

> Karen

> 

> ZeeSwan wrote:

> >

> > Ditto, any info on herbal approaches to improve hypothyroidism would be

> > appreciated.  I have read that kelp, although often recommended is not

> > good to take as too much is unsafe for a healthy thryoid.  No book on

> > natural remedies that I have has much on this .

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > ZeeSwan

> > alt.folklore herbs

Usually with hyperthryroid iodine could make the thryroid worse. Kelp

has a high iodine content. I thought most herbalists would advise

cutting down.





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Subject: Re: Alternative Treatment - hyperthyroidism

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:19:56 -0500

--------

J&K wrote:

> 

> x-no-archive: yes

> 

> I went to see an iridologist.  Though my Tsh lab test appears normal,

> she noticed that my thyroid still did not seem to be functioning

> properly.  I have noticed symptoms as well and do not feel that it is

> under control.

> 

> She recommended adding kelp very gradually and monitoring my daily

> temperatures.  My morning temps are usually 95-97 (quite low at

> times!).  I have not yet started to take the kelp, but I will buy some

> soon and try it out.

> 

> Karen

> 

> ZeeSwan wrote:

> >

> > Ditto, any info on herbal approaches to improve hypothyroidism would be

> > appreciated.  I have read that kelp, although often recommended is not

> > good to take as too much is unsafe for a healthy thryoid.  No book on

> > natural remedies that I have has much on this .

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > ZeeSwan

> > alt.folklore herbs

I meant to ask do you mean hypo or hyper?





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Subject: Re: Alternative Treatment - hyperthyroidism

From: zeeswan@aol.com (ZeeSwan)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 22:37:23 GMT

--------

Hypothyroid, underactive, although I test "normal" in my blood work. 

Thanks for the response.



ZeeSwan

alt.folklore herbs





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Subject: Seeking information

From: amberance@aol.com (Amberance)

Date: 15 Feb 1997 13:41:06 GMT

--------

I am looking for information on herbs/teas for heart disease.

any assistance will be appreciated.

Steve







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Subject: Re: Seeking information

From: mk95528@navix.net

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 17:56:16 GMT

--------

On 15 Feb 1997 13:41:06 GMT, amberance@aol.com (Amberance) wrote:



>I am looking for information on herbs/teas for heart disease.

>any assistance will be appreciated.

>Steve

>

How To Keep Your Heart & Cardiovascular Healthy and Fit. $5.95

If you need the address let me know. There is a ton out there but i

think you will find this useful. Good Luck.



Sincerely;



Margie







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Subject: Re: Seeking information

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 16 Feb 1997 02:56:10 GMT

--------

In article <19970215134100.IAA09874@ladder01.news.aol.com>, amberance@aol.com (Amberance) writes:



>I am looking for information on herbs/teas for heart disease.

>any assistance will be appreciated.



The Natural Way With Heart Disease by Richard Thomas 

or

Getting Well Naturally: Heart Disease & High Blood Pressure by Michael Murray,ND



Both deal with herbal remedies and diet.  The Murray book is newer, and is basically the chapter from the Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine expanded and updated.  The Thomas book is one of the Element series -- mostly British references, but they're very inexpensive and available in most health food stores.  



Personally, I'd also check out the works of Dean Ornish, MD, who has had considerable success in treating some forms of heart disease with diet.  You'll find his books in most libraries -- check them there to see if they are applicable to your condition.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA





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Subject: Help: Job's Tears

From: aw kum cheong <"kcaw@pacific.net.sg"@pacific.net.sg>

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:33:59 +0800

--------

I need to know if there are any alternative names for the grain known as

Job's Tears.  It is supposedly documented to have been effective in

combating some types of cancer.  Would also appreciate any information

on where to buy it, or at least the brands that carry it.  So far, no

one seems to have heard of it.





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Subject: Re: Help: Job's Tears

From: jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz)

Date: 15 Feb 1997 17:29:45 GMT

--------

aw kum cheong ("kcaw@pacific.net.sg"@pacific.net.sg) wrote:

: I need to know if there are any alternative names for the grain known as

: Job's Tears.  It is supposedly documented to have been effective in

: combating some types of cancer.  Would also appreciate any information

: on where to buy it, or at least the brands that carry it.  So far, no

: one seems to have heard of it.



I know of two other names for Job's Tears:  Hato Magi and Pearl Barley 

(as distinguished from PEARLED Barley).  Many health food stores carry 

it, but you can probably find it cheaper in a Chinese market. --Judy





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Subject: Re: Help: Job's Tears

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 07:14:47 GMT

--------

On 15 Feb 1997, jschwart@thunder.temple.edu (Judith Schwartz) wrote:



>aw kum cheong ("kcaw@pacific.net.sg"@pacific.net.sg) wrote:

>: I need to know if there are any alternative names for the grain known as

>: Job's Tears.



>I know of two other names for Job's Tears:  Hato Magi and Pearl Barley 

>(as distinguished from PEARLED Barley). 



What I've never seen are any recipes for it. Being a gluten-free

alternative I'd like to build up a collection of recipes to share with

others.



Don.





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Subject: Re: Help: Job's Tears

From: Judith Schwartz <jschwart@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 13:22:26 -0500

--------





On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Don Wiss wrote:



> 

> >I know of two other names for Job's Tears:  Hato Magi and Pearl Barley 

> >(as distinguished from PEARLED Barley). 

> 

> What I've never seen are any recipes for it. Being a gluten-free

> alternative I'd like to build up a collection of recipes to share with

> others.



There are recipes for hato mugi in two very easy-to-locate veggie 

cookbooks:  The  Natural Gourmet by Annemarie Colbin and Friendly Foods by 

Brother Ron Pickarski.  Both books are excellent, but the Pickarski 

recipes are a bit labor-intensive.  hope this helps!  --Judy





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To: "kcaw@pacific.net.sg"@pacific.net.sg

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help: Job's Tears

From: "John R. Morris" <basket@together.net>

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 08:10:17 -0800

--------

aw kum cheong wrote:

> 

> I need to know if there are any alternative names for the grain known as

> Job's Tears.  It is supposedly documented to have been effective in

> combating some types of cancer.  Would also appreciate any information

> on where to buy it, or at least the brands that carry it.  So far, no

> one seems to have heard of it.Job's Tears  Coix lacryma-jobi.   an annual 2' herb.  We sell the plant as an 

everlasting and or decorative plant. Notes from our label.   "The hardy pearly-grey 

seeds are made into "Good Luck" neclaces.  Seeds are eaten as a cereal (Adlay) in the 

orient."  The above is from research I did for our plant labels, several years ago.  We 

sold a lot but mainly for the plants looks. Don't know the source of my info at the 

moment...If you want I will look for more.





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Subject: need your help please

From: Rebekah Hutzler Malatt <maalatt@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:08:22 +0000

--------

Hi Everyone, 

My son Joey has one swollen node on the front side of the neck ..

about three finger widths to the right from the thyroid gland and about 

three finger widths up from the collar bone.The size of it is 

now down to the size of a pea from what was a small walnut. 

Although it is in a line of lymph nodes, only one node is swollen (not

several as I was taught was normal in nursing school) From what I have

heard

from others and from what I have investigated. ..there are  

many, many cases of just one node involved with an infection. 



I really think this enlargement in from an infection or an allergic 

reaction due to the variation in the size from last week until now. 



I am seeking any suggestions on possible poultices or herbal remedies

that could be used....

-- 

Rebekah Hutzler Malatt

maalatt@ix.netcom.com	

Malatt School of Excellence

In Wild and Wonderful WV



-- I Corinthians 13:1-13 

Love is patient and kind

Love is not jealous, or conceited, or proud

Love is not ill-mannered, or selfish, or irritable

Love does not keep a record of wrongs

Love is not happy with evil, but is happy with the truth

Love never gives up: its faith, hope and patience never fail

Love is eternal





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Subject: Re: need your help please

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 06:18:01 -0700

--------

Rebekah Hutzler Malatt <maalatt@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>Hi Everyone, 

>My son Joey has one swollen node on the front side of the neck ..

>I really think this enlargement in from an infection or an allergic 

>reaction due to the variation in the size from last week until now. 

>I am seeking any suggestions on possible poultices or herbal remedies

>that could be used....

  Apply TIME!  The node has already shrunk, and if you give it

another week it might be totally gone.

  If he's not showing any symptoms of fatigue, abnormal bruising,

loss of appetite (swollen lymph nodes can be as harmless as an

allergy or the first sign of Hodgkin's Lymphoma - hard to tell

without seeing the child) etc. you are probably right about the

infection or allergy.

Callie



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To: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: need your help please

From: Melinda Crump <mdw@chrh.org>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:24:04 GMT

--------

On 16 Feb 1997, Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:



> Rebekah Hutzler Malatt <maalatt@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> 

> >Hi Everyone, 

> >My son Joey has one swollen node on the front side of the neck ..

> >I really think this enlargement in from an infection or an allergic 

> >reaction due to the variation in the size from last week until now. 

> >I am seeking any suggestions on possible poultices or herbal remedies

> >that could be used....

>   Apply TIME!  The node has already shrunk, and if you give it

> another week it might be totally gone.

>   If he's not showing any symptoms of fatigue, abnormal bruising,

> loss of appetite (swollen lymph nodes can be as harmless as an

> allergy or the first sign of Hodgkin's Lymphoma - hard to tell

> without seeing the child) etc. you are probably right about the

> infection or allergy.

> Callie

> 

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> 

> 

I would have a physician check it out, there could be an underlying

medical reason for this.  I do not want to scare you but a small child

that I know was recently diagnosis with Leukemia and the only symtom was a

swollen nymph gland in his neck.  If the knot stays or returns get him to

his pediatrician.



Melinda Crump, Clerical

Supervisor/Scheduler CHRH Outpatient Clinic









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Subject: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: "K. Cook" <kk15968@swt.edu>

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:38:45 -0800

--------

I have heard that taking these two together helps to prevent or shorten

the duration of colds.  How do they work?  How much should one take? 

and Are there any side effects?  I have seen the Echinacea and

Goldenseal capsules/tablets in the vitamin section of my drug store.  Do

these capsules/tablets work or do I need to get them from an herbalist? 

I am new to this so I would appreciate any information.



-Karen Cook





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: shadowlkr1@aol.com (Shadowlkr1)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 10:07:36 GMT

--------

Subject: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: "K. Cook" <kk15968@swt.edu>

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:38:45 -0800

Message-ID: <330610C4.2B71@swt.edu>



I have heard that taking these two together helps to prevent or shorten

the duration of colds.  How do they work?  How much should one take? 

and Are there any side effects?  I have seen the Echinacea and

Goldenseal capsules/tablets in the vitamin section of my drug store.  Do

these capsules/tablets work or do I need to get them from an herbalist? 

I am new to this so I would appreciate any information.



-Karen Cook



I've found that taking these capsules when I feel like I'm coming down

with something can prevent or shorten the duration of an illness

immensely.  The Echinacea is an immune system booster, and Goldenseal is a

blood purifier.  Goldenseal alone can alleviate a lot of cold symptoms, in

my experience.







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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: zeeswan@aol.com (ZeeSwan)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 14:32:55 GMT

--------

I also have found that Echinacea seems to help me avert colds.  I only

take if I feel my throat getting scratchy.  It usually prevents if I begin

it right away or certainly lessens the severity if I already have a cold. 

I have recommended echinacea to many friends and t hey all swear by it.



ZeeSwan

alt.folklore herbs





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 06:24:01 -0700

--------

"K. Cook" <kk15968@swt.edu> wrote:

(posted and e-mailed)

>I have heard that taking these two together helps to prevent or shorten

>the duration of colds. 

  To shorten colds, and other respiratory viruses, take ZINC! The

zinc keeps the virus from replicating (by an as-yet unknown

mechanism), but it's been tested in real double-blind studies.

Suck on the tablets (usually flavored, with Vit C added).



> How do they work?  How much should one take? 

  Goldenseal (and other aromatics like Eucalyptus) have an

antibiotic effect  - not anti-viral - and are excreted by the

mucous membranes of your lungs.  It can help keep a bacterial

infection from taking advantage of the cold.

  It will also damage your intestines if you take it too long - a

couple of weeks max, and follow the directions on the bottle.

(I've had good luck with "Nature's Way" brand)



  Echinacea reportedly stimulates phagocytosis (white blood cells

eating bacteria, dead cells, etc) which would help clear out the

gunk during and after a cold.  

  It also reportedly loses effectiveness if used continually -

maybe a couple of weeks maxumum use, and follow the 

directions on the bottle.





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: Little Sheba <lilsheba@teleport.com>

Date: 17 Feb 1997 16:58:25 GMT

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

:   Goldenseal (and other aromatics like Eucalyptus) have an

: antibiotic effect  - not anti-viral - and are excreted by the

: mucous membranes of your lungs.  It can help keep a bacterial

: infection from taking advantage of the cold.



:   Echinacea reportedly stimulates phagocytosis (white blood cells

: eating bacteria, dead cells, etc) which would help clear out the

: gunk during and after a cold.  



I agree...I take echinacea and golden seal capsules and I feel much

better!  I've been giving Dino Echinacea to the kids and it's helped them

too.  Now what I want to know is ....what can I give a 4 month old baby?

She's got a cold and congestion and a bad cough.  She's too young to take

the capsules or the chewable tablets the older kids are taking.  





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 17:21:38 GMT

--------

On 17 Feb 1997 16:58:25 GMT, Little Sheba <lilsheba@teleport.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>:   Goldenseal (and other aromatics like Eucalyptus) have an

>: antibiotic effect  - not anti-viral - and are excreted by the

>: mucous membranes of your lungs.  It can help keep a bacterial

>: infection from taking advantage of the cold.

>

>I agree...I take echinacea and golden seal capsules and I feel much

>better!  I've been giving Dino Echinacea to the kids and it's helped them

>too.  Now what I want to know is ....what can I give a 4 month old baby?

>She's got a cold and congestion and a bad cough.  She's too young to take

>the capsules or the chewable tablets the older kids are taking.  



I have been following this thread for some time, wishing that somebody give some

sanity to it. Can't wait anymore for somebody else to jump in, I'll do it

myself:



Please read below Golden Seal appeal, straight from the Medicinal HerbFAQ

(reading the FAQ is a good idea in any newsgroup, the full thing is in my

FTP/WWW space, as well as on a lot of FAQ servers, on alt.answers, and

news.answers). 



Goldenseal is in -very- serious danger of not being there anymore next month, or

even next week. In addition it's not very good medicine for the flu, and even

where it does have its uses there are less endangered species which will do as

well.



From the medicinal herbfaq:



quote



==========

2.1.19 Golden Seal appeal - and Goldthread too 

-----

Please use alternatives to Goldenseal (Hydrastis canadensis) whenever possible.

If you have to use Goldenseal please grow your own. 



Here's why: 



----- 

From Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com): 



The condition of Golden Seal is DISASTROUS these days. Most of what is on the

market is being illegally poached from the grimly

diminished wild populations, since the floods and heavy precipitation of the

last couple of years has ruined a large part of the Golden

Seal that was in cultivation. 



Golden Seal and Echinacea preparations are the BEST selling herb formulas over

the last several years, with every product line

brainlessly adding to the problem by HAVING to include another one in THEIR

product line...meanwhile the plants are disappearing

from the wild at an ever-quickening pace to feed our nitwit lemming marketing

fads. 



Sorry...I am NOT down on wildcrafting...I have done it for almost 30 years, and

taught it for over 20 years...but EVERY GODDAMN

STAND of Golden Seal that I coppiced for years in the Missouri and Arkansas

Ozarks (I use primarily the secondary leaf for fresh

plant tincturing, and rarely gather roots unless to transplant) has been wiped

out in the last four years...three years ago I found perhaps a

dozen plants that still survived in SEVEN localities in SIX counties in TWO

states... there had been thousands the year before. 



----- 

From Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>: 



There are some other plants that contain berberine, an active constituent of

Goldenseal. I use them regularly in place of Goldenseal.

They are Goldthread and Oregon Grape, roots of both. Goldthread is very common

in my area and it is a small prolific plant. It is a very

potent medicinal plant and is good for maybe most of the things one would use

Goldenseal for. 



----- 

From luna@bbs.tsf.com: 



Like Michael, I found not a single plant of wild goldenseal last summer, despite

rambling and foraging at least 400 miles last summer on

foot through some of the most remote mountainous areas of the Northeastern US. I

found a few ginseng plants, quite a few wild orchids,

but not ONE specimen of goldenseal. They MAY still be out there..... we can only

hope...... 



Like Anita I have been using gold thread (Coptis trifolia) the past two years in

place of goldenseal. 



Gathering goldthread is a labor of love; carefully following those tiny threads

through the rotting leaf mold on the forest floor takes time,

if one is not to disturb the surrounding plants. But what a way to spend a fall

day... out of the wind, sitting on the forest floor cushioned

by newly fallen leaves, soaking up the fading sun's warmth, and gathering

medicine for the coming winter. It's not a "grab it and dash off"

kind of plant. Maybe that "difficulty" in gathering gold thread will save it

from the destructive overharvesting that has decimated the

goldenseal population? 



Praying for spring and the return of things green, here in the frozen north... 



vicki - luna@bbs.tsf.com 



----- 

From hrbmoore@Rt66.com (Michael Moore) 



If you want to see what Coptis (Goldthread) LOOKS like, I have three JPEGS of

Goldthreads that can be viewed on my web site. The

800 or so images are all listed by genus, although I plan on getting up a

linkpage by common name pretty soon. Goldthread, in my

opinion, is possibly the queen of remedies for stomatitis and slowly healing

mouth sores (Myrrh and Anemopsis being preferable for

acute problems). 



If you ever get a chance to gather some, be sure to use the leaves and stems as

well...all parts of the plant are active. The constant

reference to Goldthread Roots is a clumsy remnant of the crude drug trade of a

century ago...the dried roots could be stored in burlap

bags for a DECADE, the foliage lasted but a year or two. With drastic loss of

wild places in the last century, we need to revamp our

often wasteful use of herbs, gathered according to standards set in greener (and

profligate) times. 



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com) http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE 



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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: joereidomd@leonardo.net

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:26:19 -0800

--------

******

Thanks for the info Henrietta re Goldenseal as ENDANGERED SPECIES.

In addition to Coptis, Scute B. may be more appropriate for a number of

situations.  If people would stop looking to single herbs or substances as

_cure alls_ and _life extenders_, we wouldn't have this problem.  I ALMOST

NEVER use / recommend a single herb without a carefully chosen and

monitored formula.  Medicinal herbs at medicinal proportions should NOT be

taken like everyday vitamins unless a QUALIFIED person recommends them to

you after DIAGNOSIS and is willing and able to monitor your response.

Ironically, the longer I'm familiar with the amazing properties of natural

substances, the more reserved I am about wanting to routinely use them, and

instead often consider my PRIMARY advise to be : removal of obstacles to

cure, and improving diet, exercise, attitude, patience, forgiveness, and

acceptance.

I was at the local Coop-gone-upscale-price-just-wait-valetparking's-next

recently to overhear the charming salesgirl's repeated message to a stream

of customers (as she picked items off the shelves) _This is WONDERFUL for

the (fill in organ/gland/system here)_.  Oh well . . . 



Joe Reid, O.M.D.

******



In article <33129277.4490942@news.eunet.fi>, HeK@hetta.pp.fi wrote:



> On 17 Feb 1997 16:58:25 GMT, Little Sheba <lilsheba@teleport.com> wrote in

> alt.folklore.herbs:

> 

> >Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >:   Goldenseal (and other aromatics like Eucalyptus) have an

> >: antibiotic effect  - not anti-viral - and are excreted by the

> >: mucous membranes of your lungs.  It can help keep a bacterial

> >: infection from taking advantage of the cold.

> >

> >I agree...I take echinacea and golden seal capsules and I feel much

> >better!  I've been giving Dino Echinacea to the kids and it's helped them

> >too.  Now what I want to know is ....what can I give a 4 month old baby?

> >She's got a cold and congestion and a bad cough.  She's too young to take

> >the capsules or the chewable tablets the older kids are taking.  

> 

> I have been following this thread for some time, wishing that somebody

give some

> sanity to it. Can't wait anymore for somebody else to jump in, I'll do it

> myself:

> 

> Please read below Golden Seal appeal, straight from the Medicinal HerbFAQ

> (reading the FAQ is a good idea in any newsgroup, the full thing is in my

> FTP/WWW space, as well as on a lot of FAQ servers, on alt.answers, and

> news.answers). 

> 

> Goldenseal is in -very- serious danger of not being there anymore next

month, or

> even next week. In addition it's not very good medicine for the flu, and even

> where it does have its uses there are less endangered species which will do as

> well.

> 

> From the medicinal herbfaq:

> 

> quote

> 

> ==========

> 2.1.19 Golden Seal appeal - and Goldthread too 

> -----

> Please use alternatives to Goldenseal (Hydrastis canadensis) whenever

possible.

> If you have to use Goldenseal please grow your own. 

> 

> Here's why: 

> 

> ----- 

> From Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com): 

> 

> The condition of Golden Seal is DISASTROUS these days. Most of what is on the

> market is being illegally poached from the grimly

> diminished wild populations, since the floods and heavy precipitation of the

> last couple of years has ruined a large part of the Golden

> Seal that was in cultivation. 

> 

> Golden Seal and Echinacea preparations are the BEST selling herb formulas over

> the last several years, with every product line

> brainlessly adding to the problem by HAVING to include another one in THEIR

> product line...meanwhile the plants are disappearing

> from the wild at an ever-quickening pace to feed our nitwit lemming marketing

> fads. 

> 

> Sorry...I am NOT down on wildcrafting...I have done it for almost 30

years, and

> taught it for over 20 years...but EVERY GODDAMN

> STAND of Golden Seal that I coppiced for years in the Missouri and Arkansas

> Ozarks (I use primarily the secondary leaf for fresh

> plant tincturing, and rarely gather roots unless to transplant) has been wiped

> out in the last four years...three years ago I found perhaps a

> dozen plants that still survived in SEVEN localities in SIX counties in TWO

> states... there had been thousands the year before. 

> 

> ----- 

> From Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>: 

> 

> There are some other plants that contain berberine, an active constituent of

> Goldenseal. I use them regularly in place of Goldenseal.

> They are Goldthread and Oregon Grape, roots of both. Goldthread is very common

> in my area and it is a small prolific plant. It is a very

> potent medicinal plant and is good for maybe most of the things one would use

> Goldenseal for. 

> 

> ----- 

> From luna@bbs.tsf.com: 

> 

> Like Michael, I found not a single plant of wild goldenseal last summer,

despite

> rambling and foraging at least 400 miles last summer on

> foot through some of the most remote mountainous areas of the

Northeastern US. I

> found a few ginseng plants, quite a few wild orchids,

> but not ONE specimen of goldenseal. They MAY still be out there..... we

can only

> hope...... 

> 

> Like Anita I have been using gold thread (Coptis trifolia) the past two

years in

> place of goldenseal. 

> 

> Gathering goldthread is a labor of love; carefully following those tiny

threads

> through the rotting leaf mold on the forest floor takes time,

> if one is not to disturb the surrounding plants. But what a way to spend

a fall

> day... out of the wind, sitting on the forest floor cushioned

> by newly fallen leaves, soaking up the fading sun's warmth, and gathering

> medicine for the coming winter. It's not a "grab it and dash off"

> kind of plant. Maybe that "difficulty" in gathering gold thread will save it

> from the destructive overharvesting that has decimated the

> goldenseal population? 

> 

> Praying for spring and the return of things green, here in the frozen

north... 

> 

> vicki - luna@bbs.tsf.com 

> 

> ----- 

> From hrbmoore@Rt66.com (Michael Moore) 

> 

> If you want to see what Coptis (Goldthread) LOOKS like, I have three JPEGS of

> Goldthreads that can be viewed on my web site. The

> 800 or so images are all listed by genus, although I plan on getting up a

> linkpage by common name pretty soon. Goldthread, in my

> opinion, is possibly the queen of remedies for stomatitis and slowly healing

> mouth sores (Myrrh and Anemopsis being preferable for

> acute problems). 

> 

> If you ever get a chance to gather some, be sure to use the leaves and

stems as

> well...all parts of the plant are active. The constant

> reference to Goldthread Roots is a clumsy remnant of the crude drug trade of a

> century ago...the dried roots could be stored in burlap

> bags for a DECADE, the foliage lasted but a year or two. With drastic loss of

> wild places in the last century, we need to revamp our

> often wasteful use of herbs, gathered according to standards set in

greener (and

> profligate) times. 

> 

> Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com) http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE 

> 

> =========

> 

> unquote

> 

> Henriette

> 

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: Karen Cook <kk15968@swt.edu>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:24:06 -0800

--------

Hi Henriette.



I love to grow my own culinary herbs.  Are Echinacea and Goldenseal

difficult to grow?



-Karen





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: Klondike <nospam@emory.edu>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:03:52 -0500

--------

Karen Cook wrote:

> 

> Hi Henriette.

> 

> I love to grow my own culinary herbs.  Are Echinacea and Goldenseal

> difficult to grow?

> 

> -Karen

Hi Karen, 



I'm not Henriette, but I can tell you about my own experience. 

Echinacea is very easy to grow--purpurea moreso than angustifolia, but

both tolerable--you need to cold-stratify the seed in your freezer for

about six weeks before planting.  The root takes up to three years to

develop, but then you can divide it, harvest some and replant.  It's

native to the plains so should do just fine in Austin.



Goldenseal is another matter.  It's found in hardwood forest and

requires good soil moisture and some shade, especially when it's hot. 

Harvesting kills the plant, so you can see why there's a problem. 

There's a booklet that Horizon Herbs puts out about growing forest herbs

(no relation, I'm just a happy customer) that gives more specifics. 

Write P.O. Box 69, Williams, OR  97544)



Hope this helps.

-- 

Klondike

return e-mail to cmonson@emory.edu





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: psilver@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Pat Silver")

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 21:52:45 GMT

--------

Hi Karen,



I don't know about Goldenseal, but Echinacea is simply purple cone-flower 

and grows very easily in a variety of soils and climates.  Grows like 

weeds in my garden in the south of England. :-)



PatS





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Goldenseal

From: krisgock@voicenet.com (krisgock)

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 01:18:31 GMT

--------

"K. Cook" <kk15968@swt.edu> wrote:



>I have heard that taking these two together helps to prevent or shorten

>the duration of colds.  How do they work?  How much should one take? 

>and Are there any side effects?  I have seen the Echinacea and

>Goldenseal capsules/tablets in the vitamin section of my drug store.  Do

>these capsules/tablets work or do I need to get them from an herbalist? 

>I am new to this so I would appreciate any information.



        Hi Karen

              Everything I've read says that you should take them for

10 days, stop for 20 and repeat.  They're immune system builders and

the dosage is usally around 400mg for each of them.  The ones in your

drug store will be fine providing they're made by a reputable

company--Twin Labs, etc.  Read the labels and make sure there are no

artifical additives or colors.  



             I THINK they work.  It's hard to be sure but I've haven't

been sick in ages and I believe that says something.  Take care,

Kris









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Subject: Vertigo

From: "Duquette et al" <minmei@ids.net>

Date: 15 Feb 1997 22:51:29 GMT

--------

Anybody have any herbs that will help with vertigo/severe dizzy spells?

	minmei





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Subject: Re: Vertigo

From: covent@innet.be.nospam (Jean-Pierre Covent)

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 23:25:26 GMT

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"Duquette et al" <minmei@ids.net> wrote:



>Anybody have any herbs that will help with vertigo/severe dizzy spells?

>	minmei

Try Ginger rootpowder.No more than 1 teaspoon a day.

JP.



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Subject: Natural Progesterone

From: nicki@atcon.com

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 23:13:17 GMT

--------

Can anyone describe to me what natural progesterone is and what its

properties are.  I heard that it an effective anti-acne treatment an

would like some more info. on it.  Thanks.



Nick







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To: wolf <wschmidt@awinc.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: dhea and melationin a reply

From: Esta M Weiss <esta@U.Arizona.EDU>

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 17:19:47 -0700

--------

On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, wolf wrote:



> John Foster wrote:

> > 

> > I know that melatonin and DHEA are really popular but there is something

> > you should be aware of. If I started to take insulin everyday I could make

> > myself a diabetic. By putting something there the body produces and the

> > body senses its there it will stop producing it,so when you take meletonin

> > or DHEA you might get some results but you might actually be making matters

> > worse by stopping your body from producing it naturally. This is where you

> > get into this all natural delimma. You are taking something and using it

> > like the drug philosophies. The best thing to do is to feed and nourish the

> > organs of glands that you are trying to shut down by taking the substances

> > they produce.   John

> 

> 

> People who sleep a lot produce a great amount of Melatonin, naturally,

> except with age the production slows down.

> 

> People who can't sleep will need something to help them. So what do you

> suggest to take to create a good nights sleep ???? Just crying Wolf,

> pardon the pun, won't help.

> 

	To you both....



	frist off..jhon...you would be almost right..if the item in

question where working properly..if its working right...there is no need

for either....however..its when its not working right that people reach

for them....I have Fm and im menopasal...which means..my brain does not

make melotion..or seronotin..or or or..name a growth hormome or sleep

creator.and you wont find it in my body makeup..at least not in amounts to

do me any good...neither of these mentioned will do a young person the

least bit of good and would do the harm you mention...if taken on a

regular basis...a tab or two of melotion to get over jet lag is one

thing..daily use is not recomened..for anyone..unless they are like

me..aand dont make the stuff for themselvess..

	For wolf....

	your comment regarding the reduction of melotion in age is

correct..but you are incorect when you state " that anyone who sleeps alot

makes lots of melotion"..not so...we make X amounts..in reaction to

lessened light to our eyes..( which is why we get sleepy after dark..) but

only for a short time..the frist hour or so of sleep...and none after that

wheather we sleep 3 hours or ten..as other chemicals take over to keep us

asleep..melotion just helps us get there...( which is why we are fur

brained if we get more than 2 hours of sleep and get woken up..but would

be fine if we only got one..hence a nap..does not leave us groggy..)



	DHEA is same thing...we tend to make plenty in our youth...and

less as we age...provided..all the internal parts that produce it are

working correctly...and provided we get delta ( stage 4 ) sleep as this is

the time when nearly all regenerive actions take place..of which DHEA

chemicals are a part....they are a part of the overall metabolic

process..and if you have a dsyfuntional metabolism...you may need

ither..or both...and it is the general medical consensis that the fall

off..is not a biologial requirement...ie: it does not need to happen..

it falls off due to the fact elders..tend not to get as much rest as

young people...this is also something that does not need to be..it just is

at this point..and is largely responsible for the process we call ageing..

	yours

	Esta



 May blessings fall on thee

like rain drops..:)







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Subject: Re: dhea and melationin a reply

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 19 Feb 1997 03:38:01 GMT

--------

Esta M Weiss (esta@U.Arizona.EDU) wrote:

: On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, wolf wrote:



: > John Foster wrote:

: > > 

: > > I know that melatonin and DHEA are really popular but there is something

: > > you should be aware of. If I started to take insulin everyday I could make

: > > myself a diabetic. By putting something there the body produces and the

: > > body senses its there it will stop producing it,so when you take meletonin

: > > or DHEA you might get some results but you might actually be making matters

: > > worse by stopping your body from producing it naturally. This is where you

: > > get into this all natural delimma. You are taking something and using it

: > > like the drug philosophies. The best thing to do is to feed and nourish the

: > > organs of glands that you are trying to shut down by taking the substances

: > > they produce.   John

: > 

: > 

: > People who sleep a lot produce a great amount of Melatonin, naturally,

: > except with age the production slows down.

: > 

: > People who can't sleep will need something to help them. So what do you

: > suggest to take to create a good nights sleep ???? Just crying Wolf,

: > pardon the pun, won't help.

: > 

: 	To you both....



: 	frist off..jhon...you would be almost right..if the item in

: question where working properly..if its working right...there is no need

: for either....however..its when its not working right that people reach

: for them....I have Fm and im menopasal...which means..my brain does not

: make melotion..or seronotin..or or or..name a growth hormome or sleep

: creator.and you wont find it in my body makeup..at least not in amounts to

: do me any good...neither of these mentioned will do a young person the

: least bit of good and would do the harm you mention...if taken on a

: regular basis...a tab or two of melotion to get over jet lag is one

: thing..daily use is not recomened..for anyone..unless they are like

: me..aand dont make the stuff for themselvess..

: 	For wolf....

: 	your comment regarding the reduction of melotion in age is

: correct..but you are incorect when you state " that anyone who sleeps alot

: makes lots of melotion"..not so...we make X amounts..in reaction to

: lessened light to our eyes..( which is why we get sleepy after dark..) but

: only for a short time..the frist hour or so of sleep...and none after that

: wheather we sleep 3 hours or ten..as other chemicals take over to keep us

: asleep..melotion just helps us get there...( which is why we are fur

: brained if we get more than 2 hours of sleep and get woken up..but would

: be fine if we only got one..hence a nap..does not leave us groggy..)



: 	DHEA is same thing...we tend to make plenty in our youth...and

: less as we age...provided..all the internal parts that produce it are

: working correctly...and provided we get delta ( stage 4 ) sleep as this is

: the time when nearly all regenerive actions take place..of which DHEA

: chemicals are a part....they are a part of the overall metabolic

: process..and if you have a dsyfuntional metabolism...you may need

: ither..or both...and it is the general medical consensis that the fall

: off..is not a biologial requirement...ie: it does not need to happen..

: it falls off due to the fact elders..tend not to get as much rest as

: young people...this is also something that does not need to be..it just is

: at this point..and is largely responsible for the process we call ageing..

: 	yours

: 	Esta



:  May blessings fall on thee

: like rain drops..:)



I would add that from all I've read so far about melatonin, taking supplements does not

stop the ability to produce melatonin naturally.  (I can't remember the term for this)



I've stopped taking melatonin many times, and found that I was still able to go to sleep.

 As for DHEA, I believe the jury is still out on that one.  



One thing is for sure - losing the ability to produce a hormone is not an across the

board thing.  It's product-specific.  Nex



 







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Subject: Help!!!! herb wanted!!!

From: "Wolfie" <wolfie@swlink.net>

Date: 16 Feb 1997 01:17:57 GMT

--------

I am looking for Jimson weed. If anyone can help me PLEASE let me know.

I need to continue my study for a particular cure. I have used it before,

but now Iam

In Phoenix and dont know where I can find it. If you can write to me so I

may purchase it PLEASE do so.

                                            Wolf Tamer

                                                              Jon







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Subject: Re: Help!!!! herb wanted!!!

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 06:29:00 -0700

--------

"Wolfie" <wolfie@swlink.net> wrote:



>I am looking for Jimson weed. If anyone can help me PLEASE let me know.

>I need to continue my study for a particular cure. I have used it before,

>but now Iam

>In Phoenix and dont know where I can find it. 



To my knowledge, it is NOT for sale anywhere in the Phoenix area,

because of its dangerous qualities.



  Wolfie ... it's not a weed to mess with unless you are backed

up by a lab capable of analysing the potency.  Just ask the guys

who spent several days in the hospital here because of their

"search for a cure".  They were curing their boredom, I believe,

but they almost died.  E-mail me and I can give you the date and

page number of the newspaper article with their statements on the

experience.

Callie



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Subject: BURNED MOUTH CONCOCTION?

From: dr070@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chuck Meyer)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 01:54:21 GMT

--------



Hi. Does anyone know of a remedy for a burned roof of your mouth from hot food?

Is there a tea or mint leaf or herb, etc. that works? TIA.





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Subject: Re: BURNED MOUTH CONCOCTION?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 06:32:01 -0700

--------

dr070@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chuck Meyer) wrote:



>Hi. Does anyone know of a remedy for a burned roof of your mouth from hot food?

>Is there a tea or mint leaf or herb, etc. that works?



Just leave it alone ... your saliva has anti-bacterial chemicals

and cell-regrowth stimulators to take care of it. (that's why

licking cuts is a GOOD idea)



If it really hurts, use one of the aneasthetic sprays for sore

throat or cold sores on it.



If it's badly blistered - go see an oral surgeon! 



Callie



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Subject: Re: BURNED MOUTH CONCOCTION?

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 13:41:05 GMT

--------

>>Hi. Does anyone know of a remedy for a burned roof of your mouth from

hot food?<<



Try red raspberry leaf tea.  1 tsp to 1 cup boiling water.  Pour water

over leaf and let steep for 10 minutes, covered.  Hold in mouth and swish

around-helps take out pain and helps the membranes heal quickly.  Repeat

often.  Just swallow the tea, it's good for you.

T.





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To: kohkt@singnet.com.sg

Newsgroups: alt.support.thyroid,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alternative medicine for Graves' Disease

From: taitong@pop.jaring.my

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:51:05 -0600

--------

I would be grateful if anyone can advice on alternative treatment

methods for Graves' Disease (hyperthyroidism) using herbs, diet

regime or acupuncture.



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Subject: Re: Alternative medicine for Graves' Disease

From: callicot@eden.rutgers.edu (Lynda Callicotte)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 18:44:56 -0500

--------

taitong@pop.jaring.my writes:



>I would be grateful if anyone can advice on alternative treatment

>methods for Graves' Disease (hyperthyroidism) using herbs, diet

>regime or acupuncture.



Here is my advice:



Untreated Graves disease can drive you insane or kill you.



Herbs and acupuncture are bullshit.



It is possible that these remedies are good for something,

but they are not good for autoimmune diseases like Graves.

Think about it! Suppose there was a herb that inhibited

the thyroid. Wouldn't you rather take a purified thyroid-

inhibiting chemical instead of some herb contaminated with

who-knows-what kind of uncharacterized and possibly toxic

plant chemicals? Do you think that plants can't contain

poisons? What do you think hemlock is?



And then what are going to do if you need to have the

thyroid nuked? If there was some herb that could destroy 

your thyroid, would you eat it, not knowing what else

it might do to the rest of your body? Do you think

that _anything_ capable of destroying one of your organs

could _possibly_ be completely safe? NO! Absolutely not!

You can't eliminate the risk. What you _can_ do is 

minimize the risk by choosing a treatment that has

been _proven_ to be effective against the thyroid

and as specific for the thyroid as possible. There

is only one way to _prove_ that a treatment meets

those criteria. Scientific research!



Do you know what would happen if scientific research

proved that some herb was a more effective treatment

for Graves than the medications currently in use?

Scientists at the pharmaceutical companies would

find out which chemical in the herb was responsible 

for the effect. Then they would purify it and sell

it as a drug. And the drug would be better than the

herb because it would be pure and you would know

_exactly_ what you were getting.



And if acupuncture has any effect at all on Graves,

I will be very surprised. I suggest that if you

try it, you try it _in addition to_ not _instead of_

a scientifically proven medical treatment. 



I know you would like to believe that there are gentle,

risk-free, "natural" remedies for your serious health

problem, but this just isn't true. If someone tells you

they can treat your Graves disease with only herbs and

acupuncture, that person is no better than a cold-blooded

murderer.



Wise up, go to a real doctor and get real medical treatment,

or you will die. 



How's that for advice?

-- 

Lynda Callicotte      | "The more I told people what hell was like, 

Dept. of Microbiology |  the more they laughed." -- Rodney Howard-Browne,

Rutgers University    |  Charisma Magazine, August 1994







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Subject: Re: Alternative medicine for Graves' Disease

From: Amnon Mahalalel <mahalall@mer.co.il>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:31:11 +0200

--------

> Sorry Linda, I don't agree with you. The western, "real doctor"

> does not know how to treat Graces'.

=============================================================

I prefer the term "scientifically trained doctor" rather than

"western doctor." Your term implies that science is just a

part of western culture and is no more likely to produce valid

results than voodoo, accupuncture, or other systems of magical thinking.

Science is not just a western form of magic. Science is a systematic

way of figuring out how things really work. Scientifically trained

doctors are taught a medical system based upon the results of

scientific research. Unfortunately, this does not mean that doctors

are capable of using the scientific method themselves.

=====================================================================



Sorry  again for disagreeing with you. What you call science in the case

of Graves is to kill the gland. It is a perfect solution. You better

kill the person and cure all is problems in that way. Science is not the

property of the "scientific trained doctors". The Chinese, Japanese and

Indian (from India) thinks that their science it much more proven as it

is older. I have to tell you when it comes to the immune system the

"scientifically trained doctor" that does not know anything and if it is

a good Doctor he admit it. 

that the trend toward old and herbal medicine is because the traditional

medicine does not have all the answers and because the science

discovered that there is something in it. It is not Voodoo!

=================================================================

I find it highly unlikely that your real doctor does not know how

to treat Graves'. Scientific studies validate the treatments 

that they use. They are proven to be effective. Where doctors 

usually fail is in the correct diagnosis of Graves', not in the

treatment. 

==================================================================

I can assure you they dont know how to cure Graves! Nobody knows. the

know to treat the simptomes. They know how to treat each symptom by

itself. The hyper by the Endo. The eyes by the eye Doc and the skin by

another. The diagnosis was ( in my case) almost immediate (by the Endo).

But there is no cure. I already decided that I am going to die sick. 

==========================================================

> The treatment I get is just for the symptoms

> and not to "train" the immune system. 

==============================================================

And just how does alternative medicine propose to

"train" the immune system? And why do you believe

that they can do so? 

I dont know if they can. But the holistic approach is to treat the

whole person and by that to "train" the immune system too!

======================================================================

> The holistic approach deals with the body (and soul) as one, and

> not with each organ by itself. For that reason I have to

> "orchestrate" a bunch of specialists that does not coordinate the

> treatment I receive.

==============================================================

Yes, I have heard this claim before. There is no such thing as a soul

and there is no reason for medicine to deal with parts of the body

that aren't sick. 

I don't have any trouble believing that your specialists have trouble

working together. Our medical system is far from perfect and I have

many complaints about it. Doctors often have little or no respect for

patients, refuse to explain treatments to the patient's satisfaction,

and spend too little time thinking about their patients' cases. If

you have this kind of doctor, you should by all means consider finding

a new one. However, don't resort to herbalists just because their

magical

system sounds nice.

====================================================================

I can assure that there is a soul. All the autoimmune disease are very

much affected by the state of mind and your mood. Stress is the first

killer in our modern live not because it do somthing phisically but

because your body reacts to your brain = soul. 

I dont have problems with my specialists. of them is perfect, the best

and very kind. They explain to me every thing they know. But they admit

that each one is working on "his" organs. I got Prednison from my Eye

Doctor because I was going blind. The Prednison acted on the Thyroid the

same way as the PTU and I went from hyper to hypo. My Gastrologist gave

me Gasto for heartburn, my eye Doc for the Prednison etc..

===================================================================

> At he end of the day I receive a huge amount of chemicals that

> fight each other in my body.

=====================================================================

It would seem that your doctors haven't been explaining things to you.

Can you explain exactly what chemicals you are taking and 

exactly how they are fighting each other in your body?

How can you expect to make good choices about your own health

care if you haven't been informed about what is happening to you?

=====================================================================

Sorry, I am not a doctor. I am engineer (science?). With the amount of

information my doctors, from the Internet and some other open literature

I can make much better choices for my body than anybody else! 

=========================================================

> although I am not cured, I definitely feel better by

> the combination of drugs and herbs.

> 

> I am looking for a real good Acupuncture practitioner that I can

> trust, as I think he might even help to cure me.

===================================================

I imagine that the nervousness associated with Graves' responds

very well to the placebo effect. Anything that makes you feel

relaxed and hopeful and that isn't actually harmful is probably

worth trying. Just don't give up on the scientifically trained

doctors.

==============================================================

Right you are. I am doing both in parallel.



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Dept. of Microbiology |  the more they laughed." -- Rodney

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Subject: Re: Alternative medicine for Graves' Disease

From: rbhoggan@CBE.AB.CA (Ron Hoggan)

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 04:53:09 GMT

--------

On Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:51:05 -0600, taitong@pop.jaring.my wrote:



>I would be grateful if anyone can advice on alternative treatment

>methods for Graves' Disease (hyperthyroidism) using herbs, diet

>regime or acupuncture.



I know an alternative that *may* be worth trying. There is no downside to 

it. 



I am suggesting a gluten-free diet. While it can't hurt, it may help

considerably. 

Celiac disease, a disorder of the small intestine, is caused by gluten, the

group of proteins in wheat, rye, barley and oats which is found in

approximately one half of one percent of the population. Gluten 

sensitivity, sometimes called latent celiac disease, is more common, and is



found in 5% to 15% of the population. The treatment in both cases is to 

exclude gluten from the diet permanently.



Approximately 14% of those with celiac disease also have thyroid disease.

Although Grave's constitutes just less than a third of that group, that is

still more than ten times as frequent as in the general population. 



Grave's disease has been known to resolve spontaneously. Perhaps these

remissions are due to changes in diet. In any case, given the high 

incidence among celiacs, a gluten-free diet seems a reasonable option to

consider. This is especially true since Grave's is caused by an autoimmune

attack on the thyroid gland, and subsequent overproduction of thyroid 

hormones. Gluten is increasingly recognized as one pathogen, which in

susceptible individuals, can cause increased intestinal permeability, and

through a process referred to as molecular mimicry, cause over production 

of antibodies which will also attack self tissues. 



The diet seems a reasonable alternative to investigate. For more on this

alternative see:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



I hope that is helpful.



Best Wishes,

Ron Hoggan   Calgary, Alberta, Canada







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Newsgroups: alt.support.thyroid,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alternative medicine for Graves' Disease

From: stepkoni@castle.net

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:02:13 GMT

--------

I read your post with interest because I too was diagnosed with Graves

disease.  so this gluten-free diet means I cant' eat bread.?  



rbhoggan@CBE.AB.CA (Ron Hoggan) wrote:



>On Sat, 15 Feb 1997 22:51:05 -0600, taitong@pop.jaring.my wrote:



>>I would be grateful if anyone can advice on alternative treatment

>>methods for Graves' Disease (hyperthyroidism) using herbs, diet

>>regime or acupuncture.



>I know an alternative that *may* be worth trying. There is no downside to 

>it. 



>I am suggesting a gluten-free diet. While it can't hurt, it may help

>considerably. 

>Celiac disease, a disorder of the small intestine, is caused by gluten, the

>group of proteins in wheat, rye, barley and oats which is found in

>approximately one half of one percent of the population. Gluten 

>sensitivity, sometimes called latent celiac disease, is more common, and is



>found in 5% to 15% of the population. The treatment in both cases is to 

>exclude gluten from the diet permanently.



>Approximately 14% of those with celiac disease also have thyroid disease.

>Although Grave's constitutes just less than a third of that group, that is

>still more than ten times as frequent as in the general population. 



>Grave's disease has been known to resolve spontaneously. Perhaps these

>remissions are due to changes in diet. In any case, given the high 

>incidence among celiacs, a gluten-free diet seems a reasonable option to

>consider. This is especially true since Grave's is caused by an autoimmune

>attack on the thyroid gland, and subsequent overproduction of thyroid 

>hormones. Gluten is increasingly recognized as one pathogen, which in

>susceptible individuals, can cause increased intestinal permeability, and

>through a process referred to as molecular mimicry, cause over production 

>of antibodies which will also attack self tissues. 



>The diet seems a reasonable alternative to investigate. For more on this

>alternative see:



>  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



>I hope that is helpful.



>Best Wishes,

>Ron Hoggan   Calgary, Alberta, Canada











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Subject: Ginseng

From: jontrigo@aol.com (JONTRIGO)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 08:56:20 GMT

--------

I have recently started having a strange reaction to ginseng and am hoping

that someone could explain what may be happening.

I have used ginseng on and off for a few years.  I recently started using

it because of feeling run down by stress and noticed an increase in

allergies.  I discontinued it and they cleared up.  So to test if it was

indeed the ginseng, I started it again and not only experienced sinusitis,

but asthma as well.

Is it common for someone to have an allergic reaction to ginseng?  Has

anyone else had this experience?  Would this indicate that the ginseng is

having some effect on my immune system, since an allergic reaction is a

process of that system?

Any information is appreciated.  Feel free to answer here or by email.

Thanks in advance





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng

From: bgies@junction.net

Date: 17 Feb 1997 16:07:21 GMT

--------

 


On 16 Feb 1997 08:56:20 GMT, jontrigo@aol.com (JONTRIGO) wrote:


> I have recently started having a strange reaction to ginseng and am hoping


> that someone could explain what may be happening.


> I have used ginseng on and off for a few years.  I recently started using


> it because of feeling run down by stress and noticed an increase in


> allergies.  I discontinued it and they cleared up.  So to test if it was


> indeed the ginseng, I started it again and not only experienced sinusitis,


> but asthma as well.








Although it's possible you are having an allergic reaction to ginseng,


it is unlikely. Unless you are taking ginseng root or slices the problem


is probably some adulterant in the ginseng. If it's capsules you are taking,


 what brand are they ? 








> Is it common for someone to have an allergic reaction to ginseng?  Has


> anyone else had this experience?  Would this indicate that the ginseng is


> having some effect on my immune system, since an allergic reaction is a


> process of that system?


> Any information is appreciated.  Feel free to answer here or by email.


> Thanks in advance


 





I have a web site dedicated to ginseng use - perhaps you should have a look 


there and see if you can find anything that will help. The address is in my 


signature.





Brad Gies.

















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Subject: Re: Ginseng

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 20 Feb 1997 05:55:59 GMT

--------

According to TCM



Ginseng is supplement to Zhi (Energetic flow) in general, it mainly

supplement the middle part (spleen and stomach).  It raise the Zhi, so it

also supplement the upper part and also the various part on the head.



Supplement doesn't mean that it will not do wrong.  If you are really

lacking of (Zhi) or simply energy, it will help you, but if your being run

down is caused by other reason like difficiency in Yin (body fluid) or Heat

(may be caused by flu or just too much nutrition absorbed).  Then any

supplement that intend for asthenia cases will be bad for you.  - You feel

run down doesn't imply that you need supplement, maybe you need a lot of

fruit and vegetable or foods of other kind.



Rise of Zhi - if your stress and allergy also give you a high blood

pressure, don't take  ginseng that will rise up and give up at least a

headache (or as mentioned in another post sinusitis and asthma),  just

don't do that.



Hope this will explain.



Best Regards

Y.K. Law at Jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com



JONTRIGO <jontrigo@aol.com> wrote in article

<19970216085601.DAA05333@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> I have recently started having a strange reaction to ginseng and am

hoping

> that someone could explain what may be happening.

> I have used ginseng on and off for a few years.  I recently started using

> it because of feeling run down by stress and noticed an increase in

> allergies.  I discontinued it and they cleared up.  So to test if it was

> indeed the ginseng, I started it again and not only experienced

sinusitis,

> but asthma as well.

> Is it common for someone to have an allergic reaction to ginseng?  Has

> anyone else had this experience?  Would this indicate that the ginseng is

> having some effect on my immune system, since an allergic reaction is a

> process of that system?

> Any information is appreciated.  Feel free to answer here or by email.

> Thanks in advance

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.health

Subject: Introduction to Ganoderma #05

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 05:41:04 -0600

--------

Introduction to Ganoderma #05

Savior of Modern Person - Ganoderma



By Yukio Naoi, Foodstuff Scientific Institute of Kyoto University



Let's not talk about the diseases in history, is Ganoderma really a

universal medicine for modern diseases? In order to find the answer,

we have investigated its functions again and again over thirteen years,

 for which the results are satisfactory. First, is Ganoderma effective

on all kinds of diseases? Our reply is "yes", because it is able to

maintain the health of the modern person. For example, Ganoderma

 can act on the most feeble parts of the body in case of an unhealthy

person, and root out the source of sickness to allow recovery in case of

a patient. If the patient's constitution conforms to Ganoderma,

much better results would be seen. In fact, we have not found any

person who obtained negative effect or inefficient results. In order to

evaluate the efficacy of Ganoderma, some outstanding results obtained

recently are simply analyzed as Q&A.

( http://www.ttn.com.tw/~backman/herbs/qa.htm )

--

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Subject: Pregnenolone

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 13:48:36 -0500

--------

Does anyone know what herbs are associated with pregnenolone or where on

the net I can get herbal information about this? I know Wild Yam is

taken for progesterone. Is there an herb that can be taken for

Pregnenolone? TIA Susan





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb list e-mail gourp?

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:52:47 -0500

--------

Does anyone know of any Herb list groups or herb chat groups on the

net?TIA Susan





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb list e-mail gourp?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 20:02:01 GMT

--------

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997 14:52:47 -0500, Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Does anyone know of any Herb list groups or herb chat groups on the

>net?TIA Susan



There are several; you'll find a list of them in part 7 of the medicinal herbfaq

(posted here monthly - look for it this month on the 23rd or so; and it's always

up-to-date on my website / ftp site (see .sig)).



Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginseng?

From: loughlem@cadvision.com (Nancy & Michael)

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 20:03:59 GMT

--------

What will ginseng supplements do for me and how much should I take?



Nancy

loughlem@cadvision.com









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Subject: Re: Ginseng?

From: bgies@junction.net

Date: 17 Feb 1997 16:14:06 GMT

--------

 


On Sun, 16 Feb 1997 20:03:59 GMT, loughlem@cadvision.com (Nancy & Michael) wrote:


> What will ginseng supplements do for me and how much should I take?


> 


> Nancy


> loughlem@cadvision.com


> 


 


Nancy,





Before you can tell someone what ginseng might do for them, it


 would help to know something about you. Ginseng is an adaptagen


 which essentially means that your body will use as much of the


properties of ginseng as it needs, but no more. So if your body


has a need for the ginseng it will work for you, but if your 


body doesn't need it, it will do nothing. That's part of the 


reason ginseng is so prized by the Chinese - it's safe and self-


regulating. There's a lot more information about ginseng on my


web site - Enjoy.





Brad Gies.














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Subject: Re: Ginseng?

From: thymetoo@direct.ca

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 13:56:00 -0700

--------

Just one thought on the topic of ginseng. Unless produced on a certified

organic farm, commercial ginseng is grown swimming in herbicides and

pesticides. Ginseng growing is the number one enviromental hazard here

in BC at present, even though the first crop to market here was produced

on an organic farm.Happily, the Canadian government has put a stop to

the sale of the latest harvest from commerical fields, but greed being

what it is, the sale will go through eventually, and you may be eating

it yourself. Make sure you know where the ginseng you purchase comes

from!



Another Thyme,

Lilith

-- 

"Happiness is making the most of what you have..." ~ from "September,"

by Rosamunde

Pilcher





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng?

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 20 Feb 1997 06:00:51 GMT

--------

According to TCM



Ginseng is supplement to Zhi (Energetic flow) in general, it mainly

supplement the middle part (spleen and stomach).  It raise the Zhi, so it

also supplement the upper part and also the various part on the head.



Supplement doesn't mean that it will not do wrong.  If you are really

lacking of (Zhi) or simply energy, it will help you, but if your being run

down is caused by other reason like difficiency in Yin (body fluid) or Heat

(may be caused by flu or just too much nutrition absorbed).  Then any

supplement that intend for asthenia cases will be bad for you.  - You feel

run down doesn't imply that you need supplement, maybe you need a lot of

fruit and vegetable or foods of other kind.



Rise of Zhi - if your stress and allergy also give you a high blood

pressure, don't take  ginseng that will rise up and give up at least a

headache (or as mentioned in another post sinusitis and asthma),  just

don't do that.



Hope this will explain.



Best Regards

Y.K. Law at Jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com







Nancy & Michael <loughlem@cadvision.com> wrote in article

<5e7pnn$2mpq@elmo.cadvision.com>...

> What will ginseng supplements do for me and how much should I take?

> 

> Nancy

> loughlem@cadvision.com

> 

> 

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginseng?

From: rqtball@ix.netcom.com (scott)

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:25:40 GMT

--------

loughlem@cadvision.com (Nancy & Michael) wrote:



>What will ginseng supplements do for me and how much should I take?



>Nancy

>loughlem@cadvision.com





from what I have read and heard.....ginsing is kind of like the

vitamin c of herbs,..it does everything..I will tell you that I took

it before and a couple of friends have taken it and it did NOTHING for

energy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





scott







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ZINC

From: htrotter@voyager.net (Jim Tinklenberg)

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 17:44:14 -0400

--------

In article <5e2tuj$qan@hourglass.oz.net>, fergie@oz.net (cyberg) wrote:



>      I am ~42 years old,~6'2 225 healthy..is it safe too take,vitamin E ~400iu

>      C ~500mg ZINC ~25mg all together in the morning? and is zinc full off

>      lead?

>        tia fergie@oz.net



Perfectly safe.  No, zinc and lead are altogether different metals, one

doesn't "include" the other.



-- 

 Jim Tinklenberg





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: testosterone Boosting Herb

From: shadowlkr1@aol.com (Shadowlkr1)

Date: 16 Feb 1997 22:23:51 GMT

--------

Yohimbe, don't know if that's been mentioned or not.  







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: testosterone Boosting Herb

From: veep@disney-world.com (The Veep)

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 00:30:02 GMT

--------

On 16 Feb 1997 22:23:51 GMT, shadowlkr1@aol.com (Shadowlkr1) wrote:



Yohimbe, don't know if that's been mentioned or not.  





Not trying to sound rude, but I cannot figure out why someone always

uses Yohimbine as an example of a testosterone raising chemical.

Is there some quotable source regarding this?



The engorgement of the penis in humans is created by the action of

nitrous oxide on the muscle controlling the exit of blood from it. By

restricting flow the penis becomes erect.



All of the prescription drugs containing Yohimbine Hydrochloride for

impotence specifically state the action is caused by nitrous oxide and

do not mention any increase in testosterone levels.



Drug companies are actively seeking a safe method to create the

nitrous oxide at the same location in the body. Yohimbe is unsafe for

anyone with elevated blood pressure.



The Veep





_ _ _



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However, I refuse to live there. Too many Goofy

looking characters...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dill's Balm - old patent medicine

From: "Mike Miscoski" <miscoski@del.net>

Date: 17 Feb 97 00:08:28 GMT

--------

My Polish grandmother used to brew a medicinal tea for us children (1950's)

when we were sick with head colds.  It was a wonderfully aromatic tea that

would clear you right up.  I recall the medicine was called Dill's Balm and

it was added to hot water to make it into tea.  You would breathe the steam

as you drank the tea.  I think that this might actually have been "For

external use only" - i.e. balm, but it seemed to help us none the less.



Any ideas what this stuff might have consisted of or where else on the

internet I can search.  I am sure that this product is no longer on the

market.



Thanks,



Mike Miscoski

miscoski@del.net





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tibetan medicine

From: Debbie Huffman <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 17:10:28 -0800

--------

The incongruity *I* noticed [and this is merely speculation on my part] is

the high probability that this "Tibetan" remedy is being manufactured by the

*Chinese* invaders who have annexed the nation of Tibet, exiled most of her 

religious and political leaders and brought in a large immigrant population.  

I would be very leery of contributing any green energy [$$] to this.



-Kyra



Henriette Kress wrote:

> 

> On 14 Feb 1997 18:27:08 GMT, xia@intergate.bc.ca (Chuang Tong Lee) wrote:

> 

> (snip)

> >       The Qizheng Tibetan Medicated Plaster is manufactured  not only

> >on the basis of effective recipes of  traditional Tibetan Medicine,

> >but also of  peculiar natural herbs directly from the Tibetan plateau

> >itself. What is more, the making of the plaster has adopted the

> >advanced modern processing technology of hypothermic vacuum freeze

> >drying. Thus, unlike the result from the ancient processing method in

> >Tibet, the medical components on the Qizheng Tibetan Medicated Plaster

> 

> Anyone else see the gross incongruity in touting -ancient- tibetan medicine

> first, and -modern- technology in the next sentence?

> Now I just wish I'd sell something too, must be fun dreaming up all those

> buzzwords.

> 

> The rest of my comments go to the postmaster.

> Henriette





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Subject: ARE ORGANIC HERBS AND FOODS SAFE? NOT ANY MORE!!

From: jtoth@fairfield.com (Joe Toth)

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 20:29:43 -0500

--------

IS YOUR ORGANIC FOOD SAFE?

by Eileen Dannemann

Director, National Coalition of Organized Women



ATTENTION: naturalist, meditator, yoga instructor, health oriented,

environmentally sensitive, organic foods Consumer:  Yes, you, the pillar of

the organic market. You, who pay an enormous premium for health foods. Would

you pay that high price for 3organically certified2 food if you knew that: 

 

a. it has been genetically engineered by Monsanto?  

b. its seeds are sterile?  

c. it has a 12 week shelf life?  

d. it contains an antibiotic resistant tracer gene in every cell?  



Do you know that virtually every major American crop this year has been

genetically manipulated? Do you know that the seeds you buy for your sweet,

little 3natural2 vegetable garden may be genetically altered and quite

3unnatural2? Why don1t you know?  Because labeling is not required.  As a

matter of fact it is discouraged.  But Why?  Because if seeds and products

were labeled 3genetically engineered by Monsanto2  intelligent people might

not buy them.  This would impede sales.  This would not facilitate world

trade.  This would certainly be an impediment to the GATT agreement. 

In what is now being called the Era of Agribiotechnology Monsanto has taken

genetic control of our nation1s seeds.  Other Biotech/chemical companies have

taken big positions in many of the nation1s largest seed companies.  Are you

growing your sweet organic garden with Burpee seeds?  Are they selling

genetically manipulated seeds?  How would you know?  Labeling is not required!

 In 1996 there were only about two seed companies that sold the genetically

manipulated seed.  Next year Monsanto predicts that 90 seed companies will be

established in the marketplace. These large biotech/chemical companies are

moving to control the entire world1s food supply through genetic manipulation

of national and international seed. Monsanto has made a deal with Empresas La

Moderna, a seed company with 22 percent of the world market share in vegetable

seeds to provide biotechnology-derived vegetable traits. How will you

distinguish these seeds from natural seeds? Or one squash from another?  

These forces are working to penetrate and subvert the organic markets.    I

guarantee you that if 3health oriented2, organic consumers finds out that

their 3natural, wholesome produce is a product of Monsanto, they will reel.

Consumers will withdraw their purchasing dollars and seek out local, community

supported, look me in the eye and don1t lie, organic agriculture.  

Just take a look at what Monsanto1s genetically engineered rbST did for the

Dairy Industry.  People all over the nation have stopped drinking milk.  The

National Milk Producers are still racing to spend millions of dollars in P.R.

and Advertising to compensate for the erosion of Milk1s wholesome, healthy

image. This image that took a century to create has been destroyed overnight

by one thoughtless decision to introduce of a questionable, controversial

technology with a wide range of untested health risks into a product that

sells because of it1s of unquestionable, uncontroversial, healthy persona.

The decision to allow the questionable, controversial technology of genetic

engineering with it1s wide range of untested health risks and environmental

dangers into the Organic market place is suicide.  However, the players are

playing.  For instances, The California organic act of 1990 does not bar the

use of 3genetically engineered seeds2 for organic certification.  Although, a

few of the 33 private certification boards may be savvy and bar the use of

genetically engineered seeds in organic certification, the national standard

is weak and is poised for collapse unless we can counter the force. With a

relentless  government/biotech alliance, it seems apparent that without a

mitigating divine force, the organic market will participate in the trend

towards genetically manipulated organisms.  

Private certifiers are taking a stand.  Anyone who is accredited under

I.F.O.A.M., an international organization, may not entertain the use of

genetic engineering on any level.  National organic certification boards like

O.C.I.A. and O.F.V. are taking a strict stand precluding genetic engineering

from certification.  Unfortunately, consumers will not be able to tell one

certification sticker from another especially since the U.S.D.A.  may not

allow private organic certifiers to indicate that their produce is grown clean

of genetically engineered seeds or microbes.  This division, and lack of unity

in the organic persona will herald distrust by consumers and the downfall of

the entire organic market.

Due to the lack of unity amongst organic certifiers and the Organic Trade

Association; due to the direct marketing brain washing of Biotech P.R. firms,

which include well paid scientists and government grant recipients

pontificating on the harmlessness and value of genetically manipulated crops; 

due to the historical infiltration tactics of the corporate gorilla into

socially responsible organizations; and due to consumer distrust and

confusion, there may not be enough coherence to overcome or dispel the biotech

invaders as some activist wish to think.   

Remember, these same activists, having made a great stand and contribution to

diluting the force of rbST did not prevent the use of milk and rbST from being

the precursor of the genetic manipulation of our entire food supply.  Our last

chance is to unite on one focus, one strategy, one time.  Save the Organic

Label!  

Right now, Biotech P.R. campaigns are spending millions of dollars to enhance

the perceived value of genetic engineering.  They have the support of the

Federal and State governments, The U.S.D.A., the F.D.A. and everyone else who

sees the GATT and Biotechnology as the export showcase of the future and the

panacea for our national debt.  American corporations can now own patents on

any seed they wish to manipulate in any way.  Farmers must go back to the

corporations to get these patented seeds. As the technology to sterilize seed

by the manipulation of the DNA becomes more refined, the biotech boys will

control agriculture and world food services.  Meanwhile, countries all over

the world will become more and more dependent on joint packaging programs such

as Monsanto1s Round Up Ready Soybeans  (Round Up pesticides and a soybean that

is altered to withstand larger doses of the chemical and still live...but will

you?)

The Biotech industry trying to back out of the flack they are getting now from

groups all over the United States about the 3estrogen2 mimicking properties of

their pesticides. Pesticides such as atrazine and alachlor and specialized

crab grass killers are causing hormonal related conditions such as sterility,

breast cancer, prostate cancer, homosexuality, bisexuality, reduced penis size

and the effeminization of the male population and the masculinization of the

female population.  Biotech spokesmen are responding loudly, proudly and

quickly that they have discover the technology to genetically alter plants to

produce seeds that are resistant against plant disease and insects, thereby

reducing significantly the use of these 3estrogen2 mimicking pesticides.  This

is not the whole story.  The use of genetically engineered organisms are

highly risky.  Genetic engineering disrupts the sequential unfoldment of

intelligence at the most fundamental level of the cell. 

The use of genetically engineered organisms under the organic label will

destroy years of work.  We need to unify!

Certainly, industry sponsored biotech public relations campaign, lack of unity

between the organic certification boards and the organic trade association,

and this emotional confusion by the consumers in the retail organic

marketplace will not enhance the future growth of the organic market. And nor

will there be enough coherence left in the industry to influence government

standards, to protect the organic persona and dispel the biotech invaders as

some activist wish to think. We must unify over this issue!

The Organic Certification Boards must not only 3take a stand2,  but must move

forward in a firm, aggressive manner to protect the persona of 3Organic2 by

disallowing the use of genetically engineered organisms in the growing and

processing of organically certified food.  This position must be uniform and 

clearly impressed in all local and National Organic Standards starting or

ending with the California Organic Act of 1990.  Furthermore, since National

Organic Standards are tied into the government, safe guards must be put in

place that would prevent non life supporting government agencies and lobbying

forces to legislate differently in the future. 

Remember, the manipulation of the DNA is the same as altering the blueprints

of creation.  It is not a coherent, simultaneous, time tested evolutionary

event of various connected species of soil, water, and air but it is the

violent shooting, with a gun, of one species gene into an entirely different

species. (e.g. the biotech boys are splicing a human gene into a cow to

produce 3mother1s milk2)  This aggressive and violent process alone must give

us pause.  This is reproductive manipulation at its worse and the ultimate

slap in the face to all womankind.  I must emphasis now that timing is

extremely important: 

Already genetically engineered organisms  have made their way into the Natural

Foods marketplace;  corn, soy, lecithin, cornsyrup, riboflavin, high oleic,

cheese and wine enzymes, all are contaminated. 

Standards like The California Organic Act of 1990, does not seem to preclude

the use of genetically engineered seeds in organic growing.  

In conclusion, I call you all to make haste, act quickly, demanding in any way

you can, now, before it is too late, that all private and State organic

Standards unequivocally ban the use of genetically engineering in the growing

and processing of organic foods.  Literally, check the seed standards and

microbe standards section of your local certification board and State board,

if you have one (check with your own eyes, do not depend on word of mouth).  

If your certification seal does not take a hard stand to protect your product

then switch to an I.F.O.A.M accredited certifier.  I.F.O.A.M. is a great

international activist against genetic engineering.

Influence your board to immediately network, nationally with other boards to

quickly unite and set national standards including immediate legislative

change to preclude the use of genetic engineering in standards like the

California Organic Act of 1990.  

And, a message to you the ultimate decider...consumer, voter, citizen:  Talk

to your Health Food store owner: support him/her with hard copy...that you as

a consumer demand that all 3organic certification2 be backed with standards

that ban the use of genetically engineered inputs.  Call the president and/or

the soybean buyer of your favorite product.  Tell him to send you an affidavit

that he uses genetically untampered beans, canola oil and corn and

by-products.  If he doesn1t know about this (and the frightening part is that

lots of well intentioned natural food product manufacturers don1t know about

this), then inform him.   And, a message to you the garden variety consumer: 

buy heirloom seeds, join seed saver groups, demand that seed catalogues

clearly label seeds that are genetically engineered, demand that your garden

inputs are clearly labeled and free from genetically engineered microbes.  Any

language that uses words like science, new genetics, gene transfer and

biotechnology is a red flag. 

And a message to you oh, 3sustainable2 farmers:  The use of genetically

engineered input in any way, shape or form sabotages your product.  There will

be no important  discernible difference between your product and a

conventional product.  Don1t feed your livestock genetically engineered

grain...like mad cow disease this violation of natural law may make your

animals vulnerable to disease. 

RED FLAG:  In September 1996 at the Indianapolis Conference, The National

Organic Standards Board recommended to the U.S.D.A. that the organic label

precludes the use of genetic engineering across the board, as genetic

engineering is opposed, in principle, to organic.  

The U.S.D.A. put out a review of the board1s recommendations in January, 1997

and failed to mention the genetic engineering recommendation.  What an

omission!  Why?    

Furthermore, the U.S.D.A. is holding off the N.O.S. final draft until some

amorphous  time in 1997.  And...the organic representative to the U.S.D.A.,

that we have been working with, Hal Ricker, has now been retired from office. 

Odd?

  These tactics will allow unlabeled genetically engineered ingredients (such

as those marketed by the l.3 billion dollar enzyme industry) to gain presence

and take root in the organic market.  Once this takes place, the U.S.D.A. will

claim that they can not categorically remove GEOs from the organic seal and

propose to restore genetic engineered organisms to the synthetic category of

the National Organic Standards. This brings us back to square one.  This means

that any genetically engineered substances (and there are millions of them

coming down the pike), can be considered under the organic label on a case by

case basis.  Well, this sister will not be standing at that door. 

Meet us in Anaheim, California at the Natural Foods Exposition, March 5 to 9th

to unite under one strategy.  We must act quickly before planting season. The

strategy is to go right to the top...to put a relentless, united pressure on

the Secretary of Agriculture, Dan Glickman, to issue a temporary emergency

measure to preclude genetic engineering from the organic label.  This is it!  

This is not the time to hold back.  Buy that airline ticket, now.  Drive the

distance.  This is the strike moment.  If we fail to influence Dan Glickman

then... all...that is all... the work that we have done, over all these years

to foster the growth of an organic industry will be crushed.  Plug this leak,

now, or there will be no future in organic labeling.

And if the truth be known, the ultimate hedge is local, community supported,

look me in the eye and don1t lie eco/agriculture and local value added

industry such as corn mills and organic meat processing plants.  Get out of

the mainstream food channel before you get sick.  I leave you with these

paraphrase of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a great spiritual leader, stated in May

1996: We must ban boycott and condemn these foods.  Anyone who eats

genetically engineered foods will find their lives severely shortened.  So,

tell them to meditate with the little time they have left on the Earth!



http://www.lisco.com/edit/mothers

http://www.greenpeace.org/~comms/cbio/geneng.html

http://www.hrc.wmin.ac.uk/campaigns/ef/toxmut/flavr.html#cflower

http://www.demon.co.uk/solbaram/articles/clm505.html

http://www.natural-law.org/issues/genetics/ge_hazards.html

http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~rone/Genetic%20Engineering.htm

http://www.netlink.de/gen/home.html

http://www.mum.edu/PRESS/genetics/ethical_stand.html

http://www.bio-integrity.org

http://www.peg.apc.org/~acfgenet

http://www.nemsn.org/ems/html/ tryptophan

http://www.multi-medias.ca/nlp



http://www.panna.org/panna/





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Subject: Re: ARE ORGANIC HERBS AND FOODS SAFE? NOT ANY MORE!!

From: thymetoo@direct.ca

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 14:19:12 -0700

--------

I don't know what organic growers Eileen has been talking to, but as a

member of the most stringent Organic Growers Assn in Canada, (STOPA) let

me say this: we do not use genetically engineered seeds. We promote and

use only certified organic, heirloom variety seeds. And yes, we are

having problems with the government because of this. Yes, the lobbiest

want us all growing their hybrid seeds so that they can make megabucks

from us all. But we aren't buying into that. I have been the

co-ordinator of Seedy Sat in our area the 5 years it has run here, am a

member of Seeds of Diversity Canada, and grow for the Canadian Plant

Gene Resource bank - the Cdn government states that only 22 varieties of

plants feed the world and have begun promoting bio-diversity - and know

personally that heirlooms seeds are alive and well. 

And about "are these organic foods actually organic?" You bet they are.

Organic growers assns all have controls - at various times during every

growing season, and other times of the year as well, someone is going to

arrive unannounced at my farm gate and snoop. They will be sure that

what I say is happening here is happening here. They will check my

records to see where everything I bought and brought here came from -

seeds, manure, etc. They will see how I store my seeds (not in plastic,

that genetically alters them) and so forth. When I see a label that says

Certified Organic the next question is what assn certified it. Some are

not worth the bother, such as the one the Canadian government endorses,

but the assn I belong to doesn't recognize that group. If the assn is

one that I recognize, then I have no doubt as to the purity of the

product.



Another Thyme,

Lilith

-- 

"Happiness is making the most of what you have..." ~ from "September,"

by Rosamunde

Pilcher





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.psychoactives

Subject: Report and Query: Kava + Hypericum

From: timb@defcen.GOV.AU (T. Jim Benham)

Date: 17 Feb 1997 12:35:40 +1100

--------

T. Jim Benham (timb@defcen.GOV.AU) wrote:

: I have obtained some good results from the combination of kava kava and

: St. John's wort, despite contraindications (the wort is a MAOI). If anyone else has 

: experience or comments on this or similar combinations please share.



As has been kindly pointed out to me this post was a little light on. Further information: I was taking

Natrol's Kavatrol (200mg KK root extrtact 30% kavalactones + unspecified quanta passion flower,

chamomile flower, Hops flower and Schizandra fruit)  twice daily. I ran out but shortly before I did

so I started taking Pretorius's  St John's Wort (1g Hypericum perforatum flowering top equivalent to

825ug Hypericin).  It was during the overlap that I noticed the "good results": relief from depression

and anxiety, mild euphoria. Nether preparation alone produced this effect. Dosage of both was as

recommended: one thrice daily for the SJW,  two twice daily for the Kavatrol.



If the combination I was doing is (a) already known (b) stupid or (c) couldn't possibly have been

responsible for the observed affect then please let me know.

-- 

                                 People who like this sort of thing

                             will find this the sort of thing they like.

Tim J.Benham

timb@defcen.gov.au





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.psychoactives

Subject: Re: Report and Query: Kava + Hypericum

From: torrey@hooked.net (Torrey Peacock)

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 03:12:39 GMT

--------

On 17 Feb 1997 12:35:40 +1100, timb@defcen.GOV.AU (T. Jim Benham)

wrote:

(snipped)

>: I have obtained some good results from the combination of kava kava and

>: St. John's wort, despite contraindications (the wort is a MAOI). If anyone else has 

>: experience or comments on this or similar combinations please share.

> I was taking

>Natrol's Kavatrol (200mg KK root extrtact 30% kavalactones... twice daily. I ran out but shortly before I did

>so I started taking Pretorius's  St John's Wort (1g Hypericum perforatum flowering top equivalent to

>825ug Hypericin).  It was during the overlap that I noticed the "good results": relief from depression

>and anxiety, mild euphoria. Nether preparation alone produced this effect.



This combination seems quite reasonable to me, and I have used both of

these herbs together myself with similar good results.  There is

actually a product in the health stores called "Phyto-Proz," which is

a liquid extract combining these herbs.  As the name suggests, it can

be used as a natural alternative to prescription antidepressants such

as Prozac.



Torrey







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Newsgroups: uk.people.health,alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.aromatherapy,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aromatherapy

From: Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 08:42:43 +0000

--------



             The Guide to Aromatherapy is at:-



              http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk



             This is a non-commercial web site.



Every time you breath out, you make a plant happy.

-- 

Graham Sorenson

The Guide to Aromatherapy and other goodies can be found at:-

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are Organic Herbs and Foods Safe?..

From: shadowlkr1@aol.com (Shadowlkr1)

Date: 17 Feb 1997 14:53:05 GMT

--------

From: jtoth@fairfield.com (Joe Toth)

Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 20:29:43 -0500

Message-ID: <jtoth-1602972029430001@wash3-5.fairfield.com>



IS YOUR ORGANIC FOOD SAFE?

by Eileen Dannemann

Director, National Coalition of Organized Women



ATTENTION: naturalist, meditator, yoga instructor, health oriented,

environmentally sensitive, organic foods Consumer:  Yes, you, the pillar

of

the organic market. You, who pay an enormous premium for health foods.

Would

you pay that high price for 3organically certified2 food if you knew that:



 

a. it has been genetically engineered by Monsanto?  

b. its seeds are sterile?  

c. it has a 12 week shelf life?  

d. it contains an antibiotic resistant tracer gene in every cell?  





Of course I would pay it.  Genetic engineering is not all that terribly

different from simply breeding the plant to produce certain traits.  It

just takes less time to genetically engineer.  I have no problem with

genetically engineered foods at all.  I don't see how they can be

considered in any way "unnatural".  They aren't the same as a plant that

was not genetically engineered, but neither is hybrid sweet corn the same

as wild corn--but it sure does taste better.  Occasionally genetic

engineering folks do come up with poor ideas (such as the plants that

contained BT in their leaves from birth--which could have led to BT

resistant pests.  These failed to do well in the field, though).  On the

whole, however, genetic engineering has had positive effects, not negative

ones.  So, the food can stay on the shelf 12 weeks-- naturally.  That's a

good thing, not a bad thing.  It doesn't mean it contains something

harmful or unorganic, it means that the plant was "bred" to increase its

shelf life.  You can keep some melons and other fruits and veggies longer

than others, and they haven't been genetically engineered.  So stop

complaining about improvements in the speed at which we can improve the

quantity and quality of our food plants--just because it happened in a lab

doesn't mean it COULDN"T have happened naturally--it would have simply

taken longer that way.



---Shadowalker





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are Organic Herbs and Foods Safe?..

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 15:24:15 GMT

--------

In article <19970217145301.JAA14960@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

Shadowlkr1 <shadowlkr1@aol.com> wrote:

>

>Of course I would pay it.  Genetic engineering is not all that terribly

>different from simply breeding the plant to produce certain traits.  It

>just takes less time to genetically engineer.  I have no problem with

>genetically engineered foods at all.  I don't see how they can be

>considered in any way "unnatural".  They aren't the same as a plant that

>was not genetically engineered, but neither is hybrid sweet corn the same

>as wild corn--but it sure does taste better.  Occasionally genetic



There's no such thing as wild corn.  Corn is a domesticated plant

that cannot propagate itself without help from humans.  There's

a relative of corn that lives in the wild, a grass called teosinte,

but that's not corn.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Epazote to worm a puppy?

From: YWTM48B@prodigy.com (Diane Chamberlain)

Date: 17 Feb 1997 17:39:01 GMT

--------

I just got a new puppy (our 4th dog) and he has tapeworm.  I don't like 

to constantly run to the vet and would like to try a more natural 

approach to worming.  Does anyone have any information on eapzote used in 

animals as a vermifuge?  I have searched the net and not found any 

information.  I know that epazote is credited with being a human 

vermifuge, but I haven't found anything on that either, other than 

stating that it is.



I'd appreciate any ideas anyone has on the subject.  I have epazote 

growing wild in my yard.



Diane Chamberlain







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Epazote to worm a puppy?

From: Judith Rascoe <boise@well.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:30:00 -0700

--------

I'd hold off on using epazote on a puppy until you get more information 

... because as I remember (alas, not clearly enough), epazote does work 

as a vermifuge but not straightforwardly: it doesn't just kill the 

worms, period. So its action may rely on aspects of the human digestive 

tract that a puppy doesn't share.



(If I find a better reference, I'll send e-mail).





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: vitex dosage?

From: intjnatfun@aol.com (IntJNatFun)

Date: 17 Feb 1997 21:52:39 GMT

--------

Are there come common known daily doses for vitex?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need Kava Kava info

From: Jr <jr28@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:18:50 -0500

--------

Please tell me if Kava Kava can help anxiety.Also how much to take.The

bottle has 100 capsules at 500 mg. each,it says to take 1 or 2 three

times daily,but another post on this newsgroup says that 60-70 mg three

times a day is sufficient.Please e-mail me with info,as I do not

regularly check this newsgroup and cannot call up particular past posts.

Any info on Kava Kava would be appreciated.Thank you.





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To: Jr <jr28@earthlink.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Kava Kava info

From: Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:32:39 -0500

--------

	Kava can definitely help with anxiety, though it is not advisable

to take it if you have any form of depression.  The dosage on your bottle

is quite safe.  The difference between your dosage and the 60-70mg dosage

suggested on this newsgroup is probably that your dosage is for plain

kava, while the dosage suggested here is for the extract.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Kava Kava info

From: JWell@cwo.com (Jacob's Well)

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:23:44 GMT

--------

Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu> spoke with these words:



>	Kava can definitely help with anxiety, though it is not advisable

>to take it if you have any form of depression.  The dosage on your bottle

>is quite safe.  The difference between your dosage and the 60-70mg dosage

>suggested on this newsgroup is probably that your dosage is for plain

>kava, while the dosage suggested here is for the extract.



Why is it unsafe if one has depression? I haven't heard this til now.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need info on St. John's Wort

From: Jr <jr28@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 20:29:13 -0500

--------

Please e-mail me info on St. JOhn's Wort and whether or not it can

improve mood.Prefer you e-mail me as I don't read newsgroups too

often.Thank you.Also info on how much to take,etc.

Josh





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To: jr28@earthlink.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need info on St. John's Wort

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 19 Feb 1997 08:38:20 GMT

--------

Jr <jr28@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Please e-mail me info on St. JOhn's Wort and whether or not it can

>improve mood.Prefer you e-mail me as I don't read newsgroups too

>often.Thank you.Also info on how much to take,etc.

>Josh



Check Dejanews  http://www.dejanews.com for 9 recent articles

Check the medicinal herbFAQ which is posted here monthly around the 20th

or at http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/



Deb

-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hercampuri

From: tom@Armistead.com (Tom Armistead)

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 05:41:38 GMT

--------

I found a reference to this herb somewhere on the net a few months

back and haven't been able to find any additional info on it.

Has anyone herd of Hercampura (an herb from Peru).  It is supposed to

imporove blood circulation?



Thanks,

Tom

-- 

Tom Armistead            Software Services

tom@Armistead.com        Garland, TX  75040

URL:                     http://home1.gte.net/tarm





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Basic outline of aromatherapy

From: "MCM <cat@fan.net>" <cat@fan.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:56:00 -0600

--------

I'd like to find a simple basic outline of aromatherapy detailing its

uses for body, mind, and spirit.  I'd like an URL or a file.  Thanks.



Mary C. Miller

Cat.

....

-- 

 /\_/\ * My VU class page: http://www.naz.com/personal/catfan/ *

( 0.0 )* Cat Here!-http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1708 *

 > ' <    [mailto:cat@fan.net] [mailto:genealogy@myfamily.org]

  Cat  "By small and simple things are great things brought to pass."





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Basic outline of aromatherapy

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 19 Feb 1997 08:52:47 GMT

--------

"MCM <cat@fan.net>" <cat@fan.net> wrote:

>I'd like to find a simple basic outline of aromatherapy detailing its

>uses for body, mind, and spirit.  I'd like an URL or a file.  Thanks.

>

>Mary C. Miller

>Cat.

>....

>-- 

> /\_/\ * My VU class page: http://www.naz.com/personal/catfan/ *

>( 0.0 )* Cat Here!-http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/1708 *

> > ' <    [mailto:cat@fan.net] [mailto:genealogy@myfamily.org]

>  Cat  "By small and simple things are great things brought to pass."





http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/main.html



-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Enhance metabolism, and the body's conversion of fat.

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 18 Feb 1997 05:42:03 -0700

--------

cne@diac.com (CNE) wrote:



>You can enhance your bodies Metabolism, and the way that your body

>converts fat to energy, as opposed to muscle tone to energy, which is more

>common when you are dieting, with the 2 newest and most popular products

>available.



  Or, you can do it the FREE WAY .... exercise!  Yup, folks, just

a brisk walk for about half an hour can elevate your metabolism

for several hours, melting away that doughboy look.  And it's

FREE!!!!!  

  A regular program of brisk walking ... say half an hour a day

every day, can melt 10-25 pounds off your body, tone that flabby

bottom, trim those thunder-thighs and shrink  that pudgy belly

within 72 hours ..... ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!!! 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ulcers and teeth

From: dharma@microtec.net (Charlie)

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:19:06 GMT

--------

I am currently in thethroes of major dental work and one of the

glorious side effects is ulcers as well as intermittent pain ranging

from the mild to the unbearably intense.



Do any of you good people have any herbal advice for the a) the ulcers

and b) the pain.



Many thanks



Charlie







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Newsgroups: alt.health,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Introduction to Ganoderma #07

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 07:41:11 -0600

--------

Introduction to Ganoderma #07



2. Why is Ganoderma effective for both systolic pressure

and diastolic pressure?



     Dr. Shigeru Yuji of Kinki University said Ganoderma has

     five functions which are effective for cardiovascular

     diseases:



     a) It treats hypertension.



     b) It reduces cholesterol level and prevents

     arteriosclerosis.



     c) It dissolves thrombi to prevent thrombosis.



     d) It relieves the side effects of antihypertensive.



     e) It may cause a hypotensive effect when used together

     with antihypertensive.Cancer, sudden death and vascular

     obstruction disease are not threats any more.







   3. Ganoderma is also effective in treating cerebral

vascular obstruction, cardiac infarction and cerebral

apoplexy and angina pectoris.



Reported by Mr. Uebara Kioshi, Kinki University



     Without traditional treatment, serious symptoms of the

     above diseases can be reduced by taking Ganoderma.

     Among these cases was a patient with a right cerebral

     arterial obstruction which occurred twice. After taking

     Ganoderma and Urokinase together, he received the best

     result and could move finally. For another patient who

     was partially paralyzed as a result of cerebral vascular

     obstruction, he could move freely after taking

     Ganoderma. His excessive fat and B-Lipo-protein value

     also returned to normal. Ganoderma also can improve the

     condition of cardiac patients. It was found that much

     better results could be obtained by taking Ganoderma

     together with other drugs.



     Since all the above diseases are difficult to cure, it is

     recommended to take Ganoderma regularly to prevent

     their occurrence in the first place.

--

1ST HERBS

The leading brand in Taiwan in Chinese herbs field.

http://www.ttn.com.tw/~backman/



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ARE ORGANIC HERBS AND FOODS SAFE? NOT ANY

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 18 Feb 1997 15:31:23 GMT

--------

I saw your statement that storing in plastic genetically alters seeds. 

Could you please elaborate?  I was unaware of this, though I have heard of

"outgassing" from plastics.

Traiteusse@aol.com





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Newsgroups: alt.food.professionals,rec.food.cooking,alt.food,alt.folklore.herbs,rec.food.veg

Subject: FOOD QUOTE

From: Sharon & Bengt <allorenone@paonline.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:00:32 -0800

--------

I am the director of a cooking school in a gourmet kitchenware shop.  I

am writing the class schedule brochure and I need a cool food-related

quote for the inside cover.  Any good ideas?



Thanks,



Chef Sharon

-- 



God is good.  Walk in love.  Do something nice everyday for someone,

even if you just give away a smile.

http://www.paonline.com/forever/





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Newsgroups: alt.food.professionals,rec.food.cooking,alt.food,alt.folklore.herbs,rec.food.veg

Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: Barber_B@mediasoft.net (Bob)

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 03:48:36 GMT

--------

On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:00:32 -0800, Sharon & Bengt

<allorenone@paonline.com> wrote:



>I am the director of a cooking school in a gourmet kitchenware shop.  I

>am writing the class schedule brochure and I need a cool food-related

>quote for the inside cover.  Any good ideas?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Chef Sharon

>-- 

>

>God is good.  Walk in love.  Do something nice everyday for someone,

>even if you just give away a smile.

>http://www.paonline.com/forever/





If it smells good, eat it!





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Newsgroups: alt.food.professionals,rec.food.cooking,alt.food,alt.folklore.herbs,rec.food.veg

Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: whynot@why. (So What)

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:12:36 GMT

--------

In article <330b77fb.2458662@nntp.mediasoft.net>, Barber_B@mediasoft.net 

says...

>

>On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:00:32 -0800, Sharon & Bengt

><allorenone@paonline.com> wrote:

>

>>I am the director of a cooking school in a gourmet kitchenware shop.  I

>>am writing the class schedule brochure and I need a cool food-related

>>quote for the inside cover.  Any good ideas?

>>

>>Thanks,

>>

>>Chef Sharon

>>-- 

>>

>>God is good.  Walk in love.  Do something nice everyday for someone,

>>even if you just give away a smile.

>>http://www.paonline.com/forever/

>

>

>If it smells good, eat it!

>

If in doubt, throw it out!









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Newsgroups: alt.food.professionals,rec.food.cooking,alt.food,alt.folklore.herbs,rec.food.veg

Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: jsteele@brown.edu (jcs)

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:23:19 -0500

--------

In article <330b77fb.2458662@nntp.mediasoft.net>, Barber_B@mediasoft.net

(Bob) wrote:



*** On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:00:32 -0800, Sharon & Bengt

*** <allorenone@paonline.com> wrote:

*** 

*** >I am the director of a cooking school in a gourmet kitchenware shop.  I

*** >am writing the class schedule brochure and I need a cool food-related

*** >quote for the inside cover.  Any good ideas?

*** >

*** >Thanks,

*** >

*** >Chef Sharon

*** >-- 

*** >

*** >God is good.  Walk in love.  Do something nice everyday for someone,

*** >even if you just give away a smile.

*** >http://www.paonline.com/forever/

*** 

*** 

*** If it smells good, eat it!



don't eat yellow snow.



jcs





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Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: Lois.Johnson@nau.edu (Lois Johnson)

Date: 26 Feb 1997 19:52:11 GMT

--------

How about:

       All the recipes of all the tomorrows are in the basics you 

learn today.     There is a flower quote similar to this but I twisted 

it for food.   





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Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: Brian Mailman <bmailman@hooked.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:58:28 -0800

--------

"There are rats in the cellar, Blanche."



B.

-- 

     "San Francisco isn't what it used to be, and it never was."

                                                -- Herb Caen





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Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: schiele@botcatcher.netdirect.net (Pulliam-Schiele)

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:47:33 GMT

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How about:



"I will not eat oysters. I want my food dead - not sick, not wounded -

dead."  Woody Allen



"Murder is commoner among cooks than among members of any other

profession."  W.H. Auden



"Most vigitaryans I iver see looked enough like their food to be

classed as cannybals <sic>"  Finley Peter Dunne



"I didn't say that this meat was tough. I just said I didn't see the

horse that usually stands outside."  W.C.  Fields



"A gourmet is just a glutton with brains."  Philip W. Gaberman, Jr.



"They served haggis at the last dinner I attended. I didn't know

whether to kick it or eat it. Having eaten it, I wish I'd kicked it."

Stuart Turner



"In Mexico we have one word for sushi: bait." Jose Simon



"You can't barbecue in New York. You'd have to keep vacuuming the

meat."  "Rhoda," CBS-TV



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Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: Randy & Lori Alliani <alliani@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:14:29 -0600

--------

jcs wrote:

> 

> In article <330b77fb.2458662@nntp.mediasoft.net>, Barber_B@mediasoft.net

> (Bob) wrote:

> 

> *** On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:00:32 -0800, Sharon & Bengt

> *** <allorenone@paonline.com> wrote:

> ***

> *** >I am the director of a cooking school in a gourmet kitchenware shop.  I

> *** >am writing the class schedule brochure and I need a cool food-related

> *** >quote for the inside cover.  Any good ideas?



A WAIST IS A TERRIBLE THING TO MIND!! =)





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Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: Claudia Parras <tamale@aloha.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 01:36:30 -1000

--------

Kissing don't last; cookery do.

   --- George Meridith





Claudia   Hawai'i





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Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: L R Allen <lallen@plinet.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:26:15 -0700

--------

Bob wrote:

> 

> On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:00:32 -0800, Sharon & Bengt

> <allorenone@paonline.com> wrote:

> 

> >I am the director of a cooking school in a gourmet kitchenware shop.  I

> >am writing the class schedule brochure and I need a cool food-related

> >quote for the inside cover.  Any good ideas?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >Chef Sharon



"Cooking is like love. It should be entered into with abandon or not at

all."

- Harriet Van Horne





-- 

L R Allen, Last of the Horsefeather Hippies.

The chief problem about death, incidentally, is the fear that there may

be no afterlife-a depressing thought, particularly for those who have

bothered to shave. Also, there is the fear that there is an afterlife

but no one will know where it's being held.

		- Woody Allen  Without Feathers.





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To: allorenone@paonline.com

Newsgroups: alt.food.professionals,rec.food.cooking,alt.food,alt.folklore.herbs,rec.food.veg

Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: "Arthur A. Simon, Jr." <aasimon@phoenix.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:42:06 -0600

--------

Sharon & Bengt wrote:

> 

> I am the director of a cooking school in a gourmet kitchenware shop.  I

> am writing the class schedule brochure and I need a cool food-related

> quote for the inside cover.  Any good ideas?

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Chef Sharon

> --

> 

> God is good.  Walk in love.  Do something nice everyday for someone,

> even if you just give away a smile.

> http://www.paonline.com/forever/



Cooking: the only artform that satisfies ALL the senses.



Cooking: the artform that lets you eat the result.

-- 

Eschew obfuscation.



                                  ---- Anonymous





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To: allorenone@paonline.com

Newsgroups: alt.food.professionals,rec.food.cooking,alt.food,alt.folklore.herbs,rec.food.veg

Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: Dale Mitchell <dalem@cadvision.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 01:53:58 -0800

--------

Sharon & Bengt wrote:

> 

> I am the director of a cooking school in a gourmet kitchenware shop.  I

> am writing the class schedule brochure and I need a cool food-related

> quote for the inside cover.  Any good ideas?

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Chef Sharon

> --

> 

> God is good.  Walk in love.  Do something nice everyday for someone,

> even if you just give away a smile.

> http://www.paonline.com/forever/

how about:

A restaurant is a fantasy- a kind of living fantasy in which diners are

the most important members of the cast.     Warner LeRoy





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Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: "M. Preston" <aw346@lafn.org>

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:51:24 -0800

--------

Dale Mitchell wrote:

> 

> Sharon & Bengt wrote:

> >

> > I am the director of a cooking school in a gourmet kitchenware shop.  I

> > am writing the class schedule brochure and I need a cool food-related

> > quote for the inside cover.  Any good ideas?





Really only one source worth mentioning:



Maria Polushkin Robbins

"A Cook's Alphabet of Quotations"

New York : Dutton, 1991



by example, a few quotes from the Nouvelle Cuisine section:



from James Beard:



"... lobster pt adrift in a sea of asparagus sauce (complete with a

tomato rose), pheasant potpie with a dome of puff pastry and a mousse of

watercress".



from Jay Jacobs:



"... flatfish mantled in a banana coulis lace with Ameretto and dusted

with bitter chocolate".



from Mark Twain:



"Cauliflower is nothing but cabbage with a college education."



and my own offering:



Marbled goat-gullet dusted with ground peach fuzz.



I hope you've enjoyed this! Let me know if Robbins' book gets "quoted".

-- 

Yours,





Mark Preston

Author: California Mission Cookery

The Hatch Chile Cook Book





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To: allorenone@paonline.com

Newsgroups: alt.food.professionals,rec.food.cooking,alt.food,alt.folklore.herbs,rec.food.veg

Subject: Re: FOOD QUOTE

From: Brian Ehret <behret@g-net.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:10:25 -0400

--------

Sharon & Bengt wrote:

 I need a cool food-related

> quote for the inside cover.  Any good ideas?



"An  empty stomach is not a good political advisor" - Albert Einstein



SusanE





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cancer!  Can herbs help.

From: kbr@ecis.com

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:54:33 -0800

--------

Are there any herbs that are useful for cancer.  Perhaps to strengthen 

the imune system?





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Subject: Re: Cancer!  Can herbs help.

From: tntgraphi@aol.com (TNTGRAPHI)

Date: 21 Feb 1997 05:40:18 GMT

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Go to website

www.concentric.net/~Healthy/cfac/cancerbk.htm



Begin the 'cancer curing recipe' immediately!!!!

also high doses of vitamin "C" (powdered form) 16,000 mg a day!



"Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of things not yet

seen"

Heb 11:1







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Subject: Re: Cancer!  Can herbs help.

From: Obewan@atcon.com (obewan)

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 20:21:44 GMT

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tntgraphi@aol.com (TNTGRAPHI) wrote:



>Go to website

>www.concentric.net/~Healthy/cfac/cancerbk.htm



>Begin the 'cancer curing recipe' immediately!!!!

>also high doses of vitamin "C" (powdered form) 16,000 mg a day!



>"Faith is being sure of what you hope for and certain of things not yet

>seen"

>Heb 11:1





I visited this site and was disgusted by the unabashed attempt

to bilk sufferers with a seemingly endless list of bogus and

unsubstantiated proclamations about all of humanity's misery

being caused by "parasitic flukes". It ends with a disclaimer

which states that if you do not heal; then, it is because you

have a tapeworm. . .a critter too intractable for the "usual" regime

suggested to "cure cancer".

The author(s) is(are) criminally insane.

AVOID THIS SITE. SEE YOUR FAMILY PHYSICIAN.





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Subject: Re: Cancer!  Can herbs help.

From: Anne <asharris@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:24:02 -0800

--------

obewan, you have your sites mixed up. 



The site "tntgraphi" recommended is an online book by a doctor early

associated with ESSIAC in Canada. Page title is similar to the site you

railed at-- which is Hulda Clark's "The Cure For All Cancers-- the

Book", 

http://www.cris.com/!healthy/drclark/

She is the one who has the *rather incredible* tale of flukes causing

cancer, etc.



obewan wrote:

> 

> tntgraphi@aol.com (TNTGRAPHI) wrote:

> 

> >Go to website

> >www.concentric.net/~Healthy/cfac/cancerbk.htm

 

> I visited this site and was disgusted by the unabashed attempt

> to bilk sufferers with a seemingly endless list of bogus and

> unsubstantiated proclamations about all of humanity's misery

> being caused by "parasitic flukes". 

<SNIP>





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Subject: Re: Cancer!  Can herbs help.

From: tntgraphi@aol.com (TNTGRAPHI)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 16:16:21 GMT

--------

I have the book in front of me, and have searched its contents for such a

disclaimer to no avail.  Would you be so kind as to state the page on

which this disclaimer is supposedly written?  



I agree with you that a physician should be seen.....but there are those

of us that a physician has offered NO hope.  So to those I say visit the

site, begin the cancer curing recipe, and PRAY.   What have YOU got to

lose??



Also do not forget another very important book  "A Cancer Battle Plan" by

Anne E. Framn.  Begin a detoxification of your body!!!!!!



"...and all who touched him were healed"  Mt 14:36







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To: kbr@ecis.com

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Subject: Re: Cancer!  Can herbs help.

From: asharris <asharris@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:45:52 -0800

--------

kbr@ecis.com wrote:

> 

> Are there any herbs that are useful for cancer.  Perhaps to strengthen

> the imune system?



"Essiac" is worth looking into, it is a combination of Burdock root,

Sheep Sorrel, Turkey (or Indian) Rhubarb root and Slippery Elm bark.



Do a search-engine on Essiac and/or be sure to visit these sites:



Fight Cancer!

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1982/fightcancer.html



Healing choices; Cancer Report Service

http://ralphmoss.com/



The 65-year old story of Essiac is fascinating... the best recent book

written about it is "The Essiac Report" by Richard Thomas, $19.95 at a

good health food store or available at online bookstores. The recipe for

Essiac is also easy to find on the internet and costs about 4 a day.

For those who don't want to mix/cook it into the tea themselves, bottled

Essiac teas are available, IMHO the best being "Flor Essence".



Good luck, Anne





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Subject: Veterinarian Herbal

From: mk95528@navix.net

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:21:26 GMT

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Just finished turning a very rare antique Veterinary book with a ton

of herbal information into digital format from the old rag pages (520

pages),(Acrobat). It has to be distributed on CD-ROM because of it's

size (mb).  Took a picture of each page and turned each page into

Adobe's Acrobat PDF, so it remains as authentic as possible. If you

wish to have a copy, let me know. Great Re-search info.



Thanks;



Margie





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Subject: potency vs dosages?

From: "Phil Recchio" <precchio@kodak.com>

Date: 18 Feb 1997 19:50:55 GMT

--------

I've seen herbs sold in capsule form, one with a standardized 24:1 (I

think) concentration of the active ingredients in 40MG capsules, and the

same herb from another manufacturer sold in straight 400MG capsules.  I've

made queries as to dosages, 800 MG/day was suggested.  It seem logical that

the standardized type would perhaps be of more consistent potency, and I

suspect it wouldn't be wise to take 20 40MG caps to = the 800MG total

suggested, when 2 of the non standardized capsules = 800MG. What is the

difference in potency between the two?  After all, MG is a measure of

weight, not potency.  Does anyone have any insight into this problem?

-- 

Phil Recchio

"The Future's Here * We Are It * We Are On Our Own"





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Subject: Bazillian Herb Source?

From: spectrum@cyberline.com

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 20:59:53 GMT

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I am looking for a source for  the following herbs. I believe they are

Bazillian.



Chu Chu Huasi

Catuaba

Maca

Abuta



Any help would be appreciated



Roger

roger@cyberline.com

http://cyberline.com/health







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Subject: Ashwaganda and Calea

From: "Greger Gimseus" <toz@hem.passagen.se>

Date: 18 Feb 1997 22:26:00 GMT

--------

Some time ago I bought Ashwagandha (Withania Somnifera) concentrated

extract.

It was 300mg/capsule, now I have powdered ashwagandha and I'm wondering

what amount equals the extract?

I could also use some growing tips on Calea Zacatechichii...



	Greger G.





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Subject: Chickweed

From: Neil Oakey <Oakey@scrappy.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:41:18 +0000

--------

Hi all



Does anyone know where I can buy some chickween ointment/cream in the

UK?



Preferably Southern UK but anywhere will do.



Thanks in advance.

-- 

Neil Oakey





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Subject: Re: Chickweed

From: Andrew Godfrey <andrew@zylanid.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:49:01 +0000

--------

In article <DiFu5DAOAjCzEwWB@scrappy.demon.co.uk>, Neil Oakey

<Oakey@scrappy.demon.co.uk> writes

>Hi all

>

>Does anyone know where I can buy some chickween ointment/cream in the

>UK?

>

>Preferably Southern UK but anywhere will do.

>

>Thanks in advance.

Neals Yard do Stellaria(Chickweed) Ointment in tubes.

Neals Yard Remedies : London, Oxford, Bromley, Bristol, Norwich and

other outlets I believe.  Mail Order: Oxford 0865 245436 



-- 

Andrew Godfrey





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Subject: Re:  Lice and Scabies

From: d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:16:05 +0000

--------

Lots of lice and scabies going around in the schools around here ...  

anyone know of any herbs, or other natural methods (besides 

cleanliness and commonSense)  of keeping the little buggers at bay?  

I am particularly interested in ways of discouraging them from 

attaching in the first place, should one come into contact w/one or 

some ...   any oils one can apply to skin/hair that will repel, or at least 

discourage them from climbing aboard and moving in?



Thanks in advance ...



d





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Subject: Re: Lice and Scabies

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 19 Feb 1997 05:39:02 -0700

--------

d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net> wrote:



>Lots of lice and scabies going around in the schools around here ... 

>anyone know of any herbs, or other natural methods (besides 

>cleanliness and commonSense)  

The schools should take an ACTIVE role!  

   Scabies usually spreads by personal contact ... and a child

with scabies on the hands will be a very good spreader.  Checking

the kids for signs of infection and referring them to a clinic

for treatment, and insisting on handwashing at frequent intervals

for all (pre-recess, pre-lunch) will go a long way towards

getting the infection under control.  Referring the entire family

of the infected child to a clinic is usually the best way.

   Head lice spread from head to head, usually adult lice on

shared articles ... education about the need to stop sharing

these articles, borrowing combs and brushes, and why, will be a

major step.  Like VD, if parasites aren't talked about (as being

"low class" or "not in my schooL, it's full of kids from nice

families), they will continue to spread.



  Teach your kids the basic precautions ... any concentration of

a repellant oil would leave them looking really stinky and greasy

(rosemary, tea tree, eucalyptus ... most of the fragrant oils)



>I am particularly interested in ways of discouraging them from 

>attaching in the first place, should one come into contact w/one or 

>some ...   any oils one can apply to skin/hair that will repel, or at least 

>discourage them from climbing aboard and moving in?



>Thanks in advance ...



>d



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Subject: Re: Lice and Scabies

From: Debbie Huffman <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:24:49 -0800

--------

If you look in the pets section of your local natural food store, you will

find a couple of different brands of essential oil concentrates or shampoo

concentrates.  [If you use the oil concentrates, mix just a few drops with 

a couple of ounces of olive- or coconut-oil based shampoo.]  Yes, they're

labeled for fleas.  Yes, they're labeled for animals - I am one, last I 

looked.  External use only, all the usual precautions.  No product will

claim to kill lice, but the essential oil stuff will freeze them and you

can comb them right out.  You may get some repellent effect....



Main thing with an existing infestation is to concentrate on combing and 

not go into a cleaning frenzy.  At your conventional drugstore you can find

a specialized metal comb.  Right next to it will be an enzymatic nit glue 

dissolver.  This product is every mom's salvation!!  [Don't bother with the 

'lice shampoo' of the same brand - it's pyrethrin and will cause problems 

for anyone with other allergies.]



[Yes, I am deliberately not stating any brand names....]  Don't know from

any personal experience with scabies, but I would try a heavy essential oil

salve to smother the buggies.



-Kyra



d wrote:

> 

> Lots of lice and scabies going around in the schools around here ...

> anyone know of any herbs, or other natural methods (besides

> cleanliness and commonSense)  of keeping the little buggers at bay?

> I am particularly interested in ways of discouraging them from

> attaching in the first place, should one come into contact w/one or

> some ...   any oils one can apply to skin/hair that will repel, or at least

> discourage them from climbing aboard and moving in?

> 

> Thanks in advance ...

> 

> d





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: plastics and seeds

From: thymetoo@direct.ca

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:31:08 -0700

--------

Discovery Channel had a program on about the use of plastics and their

contribution to the downfall of the planet. Apparently a Dr. doing

research discovered that if food or other viable contents are stored in

plastic, the plastic gives off estrogren changing reactions that

genetically alter the contents. The ocean fish in many instances have

already been discovered to be sterile because of the dumping of plastics

in garbage into the oceans. The most frightening part of the show was

learning that the chang caused in hormones in plastics used in the

common household and supermarket foods is  ensuring sterility of our

children or our children's children. 



What happens with seeds stored in plastic is that they are altered and

what grows is not the same item that its parent seed was. This has

worldwide implications for our planets food source. With only about 20

foods feeding the globlal population, it is already a possiblity that

our food source could be destroyed by disaster such as disease or

drought. Thus it is essential that we save seeds that we know are

disease resistant and viable.



We have begun to rid our lives and our home of plastic as much as

possible here; going back to storing foods in tins and glass and using

those two alternatives to storage of other items as well. It wasn't that

long ago that plastics were introduced; there are still alternatives.

We're all aware of the disposable diapers disasterous impact on the

environment; the plastics industry apparently knows the rest of ths

story, as evidenced by their ads in defence of their industry.



Another Thyme,

Lilith 

-- 

"Happiness is making the most of what you have..." ~ from "September,"

by Rosamunde

Pilcher





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Subject: Re: plastics and seeds

From: gosewho@aol.com (Gosewho)

Date: 22 Feb 1997 01:13:48 GMT

--------



Lilith wrote :

*

Discovery Channel had a program on about the use of plastics and their

contribution to the downfall of the planet. Apparently a Dr. doing

research discovered that if food or other viable contents are stored in

plastic, the plastic gives off estrogren changing reactions that

genetically alter the contents. 

<snip>

Another Thyme,

Lilith 

*



	I believe a book called "Our Stolen Future" was the means by which

this information was first introduced to the general populace.  Amongst

other info., the book gives details regarding the initial discovery of

this problem.  

	Apparently, a couple of scientists were doing research work that

involved breast cancer cells.  Their experiments went awry as some unknown

contaminant began causing the breast cancer cells to proliferate.  After a

few years of arduous detective work, the research team discovered that the

procedure used to create the plastic test tubes they had been using had

been changed unbeknownst to them.  The plastic itself had not changed and

was not causing the problems.  Rather, a certain chemical used to make the

plastic had been replaced with an estrogen-like chemical.  We are only

slowly coming to realize that chemicals similar to the culprit in this

initial experiment may be affecting biological life on this planet even at

very low concentrations.  

	Currently there is little public knowledge regarding which

plastics contain these chemicals and which do not.  Much of this

information falls under the category of "trade secrets."  These chemicals

have also been found to exist as products of the deterioration of some

detergents and, in one study on rats, even as products of the

deterioration of such substances as the spermacide non-oxynol 9.  

	I am in the process of moving, and unfortunately cannot provide

the authors' names nor the ISBN number for the aforementioned book.  It

was published within the last two years however, and any bookstore ought

to be able to find it if they do not already carry it.  I urge people to

find out about this issue.  The scientific community is slowly but surely

paying this issue the respect it deserves.  However, increased public

interest will generate a faster response from scientists and

manufacturers.

	I am glad to see that the Discovery channel has already produced a

show about this topic and would appreciate any more information about the

particular show which Lilith mentioned (name, date, etc.)  Please post

with any helpful info., and if it wouldn't be too difficult, email a copy

to my address given below.

-Greta

gosewho@aol.com







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Subject: eczema

From: David Sands <robotics1@dial.pipex.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:11:06 +0000

--------

My friend has eczema on the backs of her fingers. Does anyone know of a herb that 

will clear this up?

I would really appreciate a direct email reply,

Many thanks, David

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Subject: cherry extract for gout

From: soma@smtp.dorsai.org (*selah*)

Date: 19 Feb 1997 02:57:22 GMT

--------

I'm trying to find information on the use of cherry extract in the 

treatment and prevention of gout.  Any help or leads appreciated.

Email also appreciated since the newsfeed is spotty.



Thanks.



Mariel





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Vitamins for fingernails

From: sherrard@applink.net (Gina Sherrard)

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 03:31:15 GMT

--------

Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken fingernails?

Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they reach

the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends. Thanks

in advance





Gina







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: astarte@iafrica.com

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 08:07:39 GMT

--------

Try seaweed gelatine - usually drink in a water mixture.  This takes a while to 

start working.  Also - this isn't herbal, but I have found that french 

manicures can go miles to give the nail strength and it especially stops 

splitting.  Obviously rubber wear gloves when your hands are going to be in 

water for a while (such as dishwashing). Cutting and filing your nails 

correctly also helps a lot.



regards

Eloise



On 2/19/97 5:31AM, in message <330a735a.34126787@news.applink.net>, Gina 

Sherrard <sherrard@applink.net> wrote:



> Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken fingernails?

> Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they reach

> the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends. Thanks

> in advance

> 

> 

> Gina

> 









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To: astarte@iafrica.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: "Conshida M. Allen" <cmallen@hamlet.uncg.edu>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:50:27 -0500

--------

also eating lots of jello and drinking milk



On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 astarte@iafrica.com wrote:



> Try seaweed gelatine - usually drink in a water mixture.  This takes a while to 

> start working.  Also - this isn't herbal, but I have found that french 

> manicures can go miles to give the nail strength and it especially stops 

> splitting.  Obviously rubber wear gloves when your hands are going to be in 

> water for a while (such as dishwashing). Cutting and filing your nails 

> correctly also helps a lot.

> 

> regards

> Eloise

> 

> On 2/19/97 5:31AM, in message <330a735a.34126787@news.applink.net>, Gina 

> Sherrard <sherrard@applink.net> wrote:

> 

> > Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken fingernails?

> > Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they reach

> > the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends. Thanks

> > in advance

> > 

> > 

> > Gina

> > 

> 

> 

> 

> 







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Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: louise.peter@swipnet.se (Louise Pettersson)

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:08:07 GMT

--------

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 03:31:15 GMT, sherrard@applink.net (Gina Sherrard)

wrote:



>Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken fingernails?

>Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they reach

>the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends. Thanks

>in advance

>

>

>Gina

>

My companion use a beer-yeast-product. (In fact exactly the same we

use to improve the fur of our cats) He says that it works good and it

is a natural product, too.



Good luck!

Louise





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: utne@sn.no (Rose Utne)

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:32:31 GMT

--------

[sherrard@applink.net (Gina Sherrard)] :



>Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken fingernails?

>Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they reach

>the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends. Thanks

>in advance

>

>

>Gina

>



Hi Gina

Have you ever tried olive oil? you can heat up the oil as warm as you

can bear it, and then hold your fingertips in this until it is cold.

Do this ones or twice a week, and your fingernails will become harder

and stronger. I use this for my hair also 





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Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 20 Feb 1997 15:09:49 GMT

--------

>Have you ever tried olive oil? you can heat up the oil as warm as you

>can bear it, and then hold your fingertips in this until it is cold.

>Do this ones or twice a week, and your fingernails will become harder

>and stronger. I use this for my hair also <



Taking a teaspoon of olive oil twice a day internally is also excellent. 

It can be put on a salad, of course, if you don't like licking it off a

spoon.



In a case of severe nail interference like this, I would also be concerned

about heavy metal contamination. Particularly if there were problems with

nervousness and depression along with it.





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Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: psilver@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Pat Silver")

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:07:03 GMT

--------

> [sherrard@applink.net (Gina Sherrard)] :

> 

> >Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken fingernails?

> >Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they reach

> >the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends. Thanks

> >in advance

> >Gina



I'm a classical guitarist and have naturally weak and brittle nails.  I 

rub my nails with olive oil at least once a day - the massage helps 

stronger growth.  If I have the time I soak my fingertips in hot olive 

oil.  To encourage strong growth try drumming your nails on a solid 

surface for a few seconds every time you think about it, which stimulates 

the growing part.  Vitamin B complex also helps hair and nail growth (my 

hair stopped falling out within a week of starting taking a supplement).  

I was recommended to all these by a professional guitarist whose nails 

are quite literally his livelyhood.



PatS





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:42:12 GMT

--------

sherrard@applink.net (Gina Sherrard) wrote:



>Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken fingernails?

>Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they reach

>the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends. Thanks

>in advance



Knox gelatin, available at grocers - take 1 packet per day for a month

or so.  Also, use a good multivitamin like Twinlab Daily One,

and a good multimineral, like Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate.



turf







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Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 20 Feb 1997 06:51:48 GMT

--------

According to TCM



Fingernails is the surplus of Tendons and Tendons is related to Liver while

Liver is storing place of blood.

Check your Liver and Blood for the Fingernails.



A simple relation might be Vit. B? to supplement your blood and Liver.  Or

more specifically consult your Doctor because I am a TCM practitioner not a

Western Doctor.



Hope this help.

Best Regards

Y.K. Law at Jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com





Gina Sherrard <sherrard@applink.net> wrote in article

<330a735a.34126787@news.applink.net>...

> Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken fingernails?

> Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they reach

> the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends. Thanks

> in advance

> 

> 

> Gina

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: amateo <mehill@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>

Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 22:08:12 -0700

--------



	Many people on this list have asserted that gelatin will make

fingernails stronger.  I asked my physician once if this were true.  She

said it isn't.  She said that despite the fact that it says this on

the Knox gelatin packaging, and that there are even gelatin products

specifically for sale to strengthen fingernails, there is no proven

correlation.



Has anyone actually had results with this?



matt hill

boulder, co

usa



> Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken fingernails?

> Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they reach

> the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends. Thanks

> in advance

> 

> 

> Gina

> 

> 

> 







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Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 02:12:11 GMT

--------

amateo <mehill@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> wrote:



>	Many people on this list have asserted that gelatin will make

>fingernails stronger.  I asked my physician once if this were true.  She

>said it isn't.  She said that despite the fact that it says this on

>the Knox gelatin packaging, and that there are even gelatin products

>specifically for sale to strengthen fingernails, there is no proven

>correlation.



>Has anyone actually had results with this?



I have not personally, but know many who have reported better

nails, as well as hair and skin, from using gelatin.  The most

useful thing I recommend it for is for arthritis, and it does

seem to improve joint function tremendously over using

cal-mag, vitamins, and kidney herbs alone - as well

as expensive cartilage products or glucosomine (probably

because the dosage is so high compared to these products) - 

plus improve tendonitis and carpal tunnel problems (along

with minerals like magnesium and zinc and extra B6).  



However, perhaps it is the vitamins and minerals which activates 

gelatin since many rebuilding processes in the body require a host

of vitamins, minerals, and other supplements. It is common

for a supplement that has a great effect when taken with adequate

vitamins and minerals to have no effect when taken alone.



turf







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Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: gene@ionet.net (E. M. Bortmes)

Date: 25 Feb 1997 15:03:14 GMT

--------

In article 

<Pine.GSO.3.95.970221220129.12370B-100000@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>, 

mehill@rintintin.Colorado.EDU says...

>

>

>        Many people on this list have asserted that gelatin will make

>fingernails stronger.  I asked my physician once if this were true.  

She

>said it isn't.  She said that despite the fact that it says this on

>the Knox gelatin packaging, and that there are even gelatin products

>specifically for sale to strengthen fingernails, there is no proven

>correlation.

>

>Has anyone actually had results with this?

>

>matt hill

>boulder, co

>usa

>

>> Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken 

fingernails?

>> Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they 

reach

>> the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends. 

Thanks

>> in advance

>> 

>> 

>> Gina

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

Flamenco guitarists use their fingernails to play with and they are 

especially carefull to keep them strong and "unbreakable" and they use 

fingernail polishes and/or thin coatings of instant glue. None that I 

have ever heard of use any food products.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: Randy & Lori Alliani <alliani@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:19:24 -0600

--------

E. M. Bortmes wrote:

> 

> In article

> <Pine.GSO.3.95.970221220129.12370B-100000@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>,

> mehill@rintintin.Colorado.EDU says...

> >

> >

> >        Many people on this list have asserted that gelatin will make

> >fingernails stronger.  I asked my physician once if this were true.

> She

> >said it isn't.  She said that despite the fact that it says this on

> >the Knox gelatin packaging, and that there are even gelatin products

> >specifically for sale to strengthen fingernails, there is no proven

> >correlation.

> >

> >Has anyone actually had results with this?

> >

> >matt hill

> >boulder, co

> >usa

> >

> >> Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken

> fingernails?

> >> Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they

> reach

> >> the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends.

> Thanks

> >> in advance

> >>

> >>

> >> Gina

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> Flamenco guitarists use their fingernails to play with and they are

> especially carefull to keep them strong and "unbreakable" and they use

> fingernail polishes and/or thin coatings of instant glue. None that I

> have ever heard of use any food products.



Watch out for lack of oxygen to the nails!

	L





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Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: Kaleidoscope <tjatkei@concentric.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:11:30 -0600

--------

Randy & Lori Alliani wrote:

> 

> E. M. Bortmes wrote:

> >

> > In article

> > <Pine.GSO.3.95.970221220129.12370B-100000@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>,

> > mehill@rintintin.Colorado.EDU says...

> > >

> > >

> > >        Many people on this list have asserted that gelatin will make

> > >fingernails stronger.  I asked my physician once if this were true.

> > She

> > >said it isn't.  She said that despite the fact that it says this on

> > >the Knox gelatin packaging, and that there are even gelatin products

> > >specifically for sale to strengthen fingernails, there is no proven

> > >correlation.

> > >

> > >Has anyone actually had results with this?

> > >

> > >matt hill

> > >boulder, co

> > >usa

> > >

> > >> Can anyone recommend something to strengthen and thicken

> > fingernails?

> > >> Mine are very weak and begin to grow in a bent shape after they

> > reach

> > >> the end of my fingers. They also split into layers at the ends.

> > Thanks

> > >> in advance

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Gina

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > Flamenco guitarists use their fingernails to play with and they are

> > especially carefull to keep them strong and "unbreakable" and they use

> > fingernail polishes and/or thin coatings of instant glue. None that I

> > have ever heard of use any food products.

> 

> Watch out for lack of oxygen to the nails!

>         L

There is a product used for strengthening horse hooves.  You can get it

at farm store.  There are a number of different names, but they are all

for manicuring horse hooves.  You rub it on to your nail.  I do it at

night.  It really works.  Don't know how, don't care.





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Subject: Re: Vitamins for fingernails

From: Randy & Lori Alliani <alliani@flash.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:51:20 -0600

--------

> There is a product used for strengthening horse hooves.  You can get it

> at farm store.  There are a number of different names, but they are all

> for manicuring horse hooves.  You rub it on to your nail.  I do it at

> night.  It really works.  Don't know how, don't care.



I've used it before, and it does work (smells nice, too!), I didn't post

it because I wasn't sure if it fell under "herbal" or "natural"

catagories.  I got a crazy idea once - I figured if your nails and hair

are made from the same stuff, this should strengthen your hair, right? 

I have very fine, but thick hair (there's a lot of it), and I used this

as a cream rinse (twice, I think).  It works nicely, but made my hair so

thick I could hardly get a comb through it!

	Lori







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ACNE ROSACEA

From: herb-doc@herb-doc.com (Bob Shen)

Date: 19 Feb 1997 03:59:13 GMT

--------

Good news! We found Chinese remedies to treat most patients with acne or acne

rosacea with 5, 10 years or more history can be healed within 3 months,

without any side effects.

If you are interested in this treatment, please contact me or visit

http://www.herb-doc.com/acne.htm or send a email to me at herb-doc@herb-doc.com







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Boldo - what is it? what's it good for?

From: Judith Rascoe <boise@well.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:07:00 -0700

--------

This herb is apparently widely used in Latin America - and in fact some 

scientists talking about the recent discovery of a very ancient (c 

20,000 BC?) settlement in Chile mentioned that they had found bundles of 

BOLDO among other medicinal plants cultivated at the site.

Now it shows up in shops in California that have customers from Latin 

America.

But I can't find any information in my English-language herbals about 

this plant.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: MIGRAINE PAIN CONTROL

From: herb-doc@herb-doc.com (Bob Shen)

Date: 19 Feb 1997 04:08:27 GMT

--------

Good news! We have some Chinese herbal remedies which are found to be

very effective for treating patients with migraine or tension, cluster headache,

rather than using Imitrex. Patients got relieved within 15-30 minutes

after taking this remedies.



If you are interested please visit http://www.herb-doc.com/pain.htm

we are trying to help people suffering from any kind of pain without

taking narcotics or analgesics.

Dr. Shen









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: CD on Chinese Herbs

From: patrick wong <pawong@netvigator.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:02:43 -0800

--------

CDr on Chinese Herbs avialable bilingual in English and Chinese.



Interested parties, please mailto: wong.patrick@cwol.com



Best Regards

patrick wong





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CD on Chinese Herbs

From: Vern R. McFalls <vmcfalls@delphi.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 23:42:23 -0500

--------

patrick wong <pawong@netvigator.com> writes:

 

>CDr on Chinese Herbs avialable bilingual in English and Chinese.

 

Please send futher info on said CDr. Please include price, etc. E-Mail

to

address on header please.

 

Thank you,

 

Vern McFalls





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: shampoos/hair treatments

From: txgsd@flash.net (TxGSD)

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:54:10 UNDEFINED

--------

Does anyone know of a store that might sell herbal shampoos and/or hair 

treatments?   I'd love to make it myself.. but I just don't have the time. 



Jen

txgsd@flash.net







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To: TxGSD <txgsd@flash.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: shampoos/hair treatments

From: "Conshida M. Allen" <cmallen@hamlet.uncg.edu>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:52:41 -0500

--------

try GNC stores



On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, TxGSD wrote:



> Does anyone know of a store that might sell herbal shampoos and/or hair 

> treatments?   I'd love to make it myself.. but I just don't have the time. 

> 

> Jen

> txgsd@flash.net

> 

> 

> 







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Subject: Re: shampoos/hair treatments

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 20 Feb 1997 08:43:12 GMT

--------

txgsd@flash.net (TxGSD) wrote:

>Does anyone know of a store that might sell herbal shampoos and/or hair 

>treatments?   I'd love to make it myself.. but I just don't have the time. 

>

>Jen

>txgsd@flash.net

>



I get mine from Mountain Rose Herbs  http://botanical.com/mtrose/



They offer several choices.



Deb

-- 

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com  or  debra@teleport.com

disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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To: TxGSD <txgsd@flash.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: shampoos/hair treatments

From: Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu>

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:32:34 -0500

--------

	I have recently started using Biolage products, which are based on

botanicals, with great results.  That line is carried in just about every

salon, I think.







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Subject: Re: shampoos/hair treatments

From: lsanc26051@aol.com (LSanc26051)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 04:53:58 GMT

--------

Jen,  We bought some Yerba de la Negrita Shampoo and the conditioner to

sell in our herb business.  My husband is bald on top since he was in his

20's (40's now).  He started using both because it is said that it is good

for thinning and thin, limp hair.  He has been using it for about 9

months.  Last time he got a haircut, his barber was teasing him that she

would have to charge him more since he has more hair.  In the last 2

months we have noticed little hairs sprouting where there was no hair

before.  The Yerba de la Negrita herb stimulates the follicles which

allows hair growth.  We don't make any claims about any of our products,

unless we have exerienced the benefits ourselves.  Louise/ Nature's

Flavorings





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sweating

From: eden rabatsch <edroy@ozemail.com.au>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:17:03 +1000

--------

-- 

MZ

Howdy, I have always had a problem with sweating, especially facial

but also under my arms. The perspiration is essentially water

with no smell. There is sometimes a psychological component but often it 

is just a reaction to heat/humidity.

I use avery strong anti perspirant under my arms but that doesn't help 

with my face.

Are there any herbs/vitamins whatever which could at least alleviate the 

situation slightly. Raising the sweat threshold marginally would make a 

big difference to my lifestyle.

Thanx in advance

Eden





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sweating

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 20 Feb 1997 06:32:05 GMT

--------

Accoring to TCM



Sweat is the body fluid related to Heart.  

Sweat can be be regulated by Spleen.

Sweating can also related to Zhi (Energetic flow) will not only activate

the flow of Zhi but also controlling it.  

Face is the expression or Yang of all organs.

Underarms related to Liver, and Liver regulate the outflow of Zhi and

fluid.

Can be caused by heat.

Can be caused by combination of above, etc.



In your case, because the sweat do not have a strong smell.  It is more

likely that the sweat is cause by lack of Zhi ; decentralisation of zhi or

asthenia in Heart; or decentralisation of Zhi or asthenia in Spleen.



Check Zhi,

pale face?

short breath?

easily tired?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Homeopathie bij inversie trauma's

From: "F.W.J. van Rooijen" <fred.van.rooijen@tip.nl>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:18:37 GMT

--------

Hoi 



Ik ben een student Fysiotherapie en ben me aan het orinteren voor mijn

scriptie, welke gaat over de toepasbaarheid van homeopathie bij de

fysiotherapeutische behandeling van inversie trauma's. Graag zou ik wat

meer info willen verkrijgen over hoe een homeopaat zoiets aanpakt.

- Welke middelen worden er gebruikt?

- Wat is de werking van die middelen?

- Waar grijpen die middelen op aan? (cel niveau, doorbloedingsverbeterering

?)

- Zijn de effecten wetenschappelijk aangetoond, zoja waar zijn die gegevens

te vinden?



Ik zal wel op nog veel meer vragen stuiten, maar dit is maar een eerste

orintatie.

Wie O wie kan mij helpen aan wat info?



Bij voorbaat dank







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Subject: Re:  Fertility

From: kerby <kerby@foto.infi.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:19:41 -0600

--------

Hi:



	Can someone please tell me of a web site where I can go and look 

up specific herbs and see what they are used for:



	Specifically, I want to know about:



	Black Cohosh			Damiana

	Dong Quai

	Red Raspberry Leaves



	Would appreciate any herbal info regarding infertility or lack 

of ovulation.



Thanks,  Allison





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fertility

From: Klondike <nospam@emory.edu>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 20:32:46 -0500

--------

kerby wrote:

> 

> Hi:

> 

>         Can someone please tell me of a web site where I can go and look

> up specific herbs and see what they are used for:

> 

>         Specifically, I want to know about:

> 

>         Black Cohosh                    Damiana

>         Dong Quai

>         Red Raspberry Leaves

> 

>         Would appreciate any herbal info regarding infertility or lack

> of ovulation.

> 

> Thanks,  Allison



 Michael Moore's web page can be dauntingly technical at times, but

you'll find what you need at

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsMM/MansMM.html

-- 

Klondike

return e-mail to cmonson@emory.edu





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Subject: Re:"Simples" approach

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 19 Feb 1997 15:41:52 GMT

--------

Joe Reid, O.M.D. wrote:



> I ALMOST NEVER use / recommend a single herb without a carefully chosen

and monitored formula.  Medicinal herbs at medicinal proportions should

NOT be

taken like everyday vitamins unless a QUALIFIED person recommends them to

you after DIAGNOSIS and is willing and able to monitor your response.<



     I couldn't agree more as I am sure any practitioner posting on this

list would.  

The problem we run into is monetary.  People are trying to escape the high

cost of present day medical practices, and think a simple remedy in

alternative medicine will cure them instead; at a much lower cost. 

Unfortunately, to consult the alternative practitioners, and do the

followups, buy the formulas, diets, analysis, etc., costs as much as  a

regular alopathic physician, sometimes more. 

    One of my friends who practices as an alternative says her biggest

problem is that after extensive consultations and analysis, her clients

will go out and take an allopathic remedy (usually a prescribed antibiotic

or over the counter remedy), and not even tell her or tell her much later

as an afterthought; thereby undoing much of the progress.



My biggest complaint is "WHERE THE HECK IS THE DIAGNOSIS?"  Don't just

give me one symptom to work with!



My biggest dream is to be a great diagnostician.



T.





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Newsgroups: alt.health,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Introduction to Ganoderma #08

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:51:23 -0600

--------

Introduction to Ganoderma #08



4. Ganoderma is effective in the treatment of acute and

chronic hepatitis, or liver dysfunction.



Reported by Dr. Mitsui Hashimoto of Hshimot Hospital



          Now, hepatitis is still a disease which cannot be

          treated with any specific method, Ganoderma should

          be of great meaning if it would be effective for this

          disease. Six capsules per day were prescribed to some

          patients with hepatitis. Three months later, all the

          patients were recovering; their GOT and GPT values

          decreased from 200-300 to 100. In addition, one

          patient who used Ganoderma together with some

          Chinese herbal medicines also had the GOT and GPT

          decreased. There was one case of hepatitis combined

          with hypertension, for which satisfactory results were

          seen after taking Ganoderma.



     With all the above, it can not conclude but may expect

     the positive results of Ganoderma on hepatitis.



     When liver function is declining, the patient may get

     tired, and it can help ease fatigue by taking Ganoderma.







   5. The saying "liver disease is incurable" should be

abandoned.



     Liver is one of the most important organs for health.

     Liver function is quite complicated. Therefore, liver

     disease is considered difficult to be cured, and dietetic

     treatment is the only method adopted by Wester

     physicians.



     However, Ganoderma can make this complicated organ

     return to normal. Based on our practical investigation,

     Ganoderma is able to contribute a positive effect. As

     reported by Dr. Shigeru Yuji, 10% of liver disorders could

     be cured after taking Ganoderma for two months. 40% of

     the patients were relieved of their symptoms, and their

     liver sizes were reduced. And 50% of the patients felt

     their symptoms had diminished.

--

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The leading brand in Taiwan in Chinese herbs field.

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ?? On Cat's Claw

From: Chris Gilmore & Alexis Masters Gilmore <chrialex@pacbell.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:33:33 -0800

--------

Hi!  I recently surfaced from an extended writing project to look for 

an herb for tendonitis/shoulder pain.  I saw a post on this NG for 

devil's claw and one for cat's claw, so I went to the store and read 

just a bit.  I wound up buying the cat's claw because it seemed to 

address more of the systemic problems which might be contributing to 

the shoulder pain.  Now I'm wondering where I might find some 

definitive, non-marketing type info on the herb, ie something D. 

Hoffman or M. Moore or Rosemary G. might have put out.  Any 

suggestions?  Anything sitting in your files from a previous NG 

discussion?

Thanks much,  Alexis M.





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To: chrialex@pacbell.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? On Cat's Claw

From: Gerald Goldschein <geraldg@telarun.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:36:55 -0500

--------

(snip) cat's claw, (snip) info on the herb, ie something D.

> Hoffman or M. Moore or Rosemary G. might have put out.  Any

> suggestions?  Anything sitting in your files from a previous NG

> discussion?

> Thanks much,  Alexis M.



Sorry about this double post forgot to add the url

Here is a url that has vitamins and minerals I happened on a few weeks

ago. I noticed they also have and herb link. Give it a try, I hope you

find some info.



http://vitamins.net/library/guides/vitamins.html



Cheers,

Jerry

http://www.telarun.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? On Cat's Claw

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 22 Feb 1997 09:08:51 GMT

--------

Gerald Goldschein <geraldg@telarun.com> wrote:

>(snip) cat's claw, (snip) info on the herb, ie something D.

>> Hoffman or M. Moore or Rosemary G. might have put out.  Any

>> suggestions?  Anything sitting in your files from a previous NG

>> discussion?

>> Thanks much,  Alexis M.

>

>Hello

>Here is a url that has vitamins and minerals I happened on a few weeks

>ago. I noticed they also have and herb link. Give it a try, I hope you

>find some info.

>

>Cheers,

>Jerry

>http://www.telarun.com





Even better than Jerry's page on running shoes would be the medicinal 

herbFAQ.  Pretty informative article on Unicaria tormentosa [did I spell 

that right?]  http://sunsite.unc.edu/hrebmed/faqs/med.-3.txt  Of course, 

the whole FAQ is full of good information



Deb



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Deb's Endeavors

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disclaimer:  If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different 

set of challenges.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Query on St John's Wort

From: acssqmc@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (ignatz mouse)

Date: 19 Feb 1997 21:52:04 GMT

--------

I have heard that St. John's Wort is an SSRI and a MAOI. There seems to be

conflicting information on the herb and I was wondering if anyone could tell

me which it is? I've been doing some research using the web, newsgroups and 

websites and overall it seems that most people agree that it is an SSRI but

a few people have been quite positive it works as a MAOI. 



If anyone can help me with this, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to know more

about the herb.





Thanks,



-Quenby





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Query on St John's Wort

From: juanitasim@aol.com

Date: 26 Feb 1997 20:02:38 GMT

--------

acssqmc@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (ignatz mouse) wrote on 	19 Feb 1997 



>I have heard that St. John's Wort is an SSRI and a MAOI. There seems to be

>conflicting information on the herb and I was wondering if anyone could tell

>me which it is? I've been doing some research using the web, newsgroups and 

>websites and overall it seems that most people agree that it is an SSRI but

>a few people have been quite positive it works as a MAOI. 



I'm not familiar with the term SSRI so I can't address that part of your question, but I can share what my own research has turned up:



"St. John's Wort contains a chemical named hypericin which, like some antidepressant drugs, is an MAO inhibitor.  In a small German study, the wort seemed to live up to its reputation as an antidepressant."  (_Dealing With Depression Naturally_ by Syd Baumel, p. 153; and he cites as the source of his information: _The Healing Herbs: The Ultimate Guide to the Curative Power of Nature's Medicines_ by Michael Castleman)



Hope this helps.  :-)



Juanita









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: oregano oil

From: melodycp@ix.netcom.com(Melody C. Pfeiffer)

Date: 20 Feb 1997 00:26:01 GMT

--------

Would appreciate it if someone could post the value of oregano oil. I

heard that it is good for the lungs but how is it taken? Is it ingested

or sniffed?



Thanks





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Shelf-life of honey syrup

From: caughlan@axionet.com

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:19:06 -0800

--------

Does anyone have any experience with making syrups using honey? I make a

syrup that is one part strong decoction, two parts honey. How long

should this last? Does anyone use brandy..if so - how much and how long

does it last?



Thanks in advance!



Good Health...

Stacelynn





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs that enhance sexual desire

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 19 Feb 1997 19:57:11 -0700

--------

"Gordon Fox" <g_fox@centuryinter.net> wrote:



>TOUCHFIRE HERS Drops contains a unique combination of unique rainforest

>botanicals, each having a long documented history of use by the indigenous

>rainforest tribes as natural substances that increase sexual desire in

>women.

>Product No:  1104

>Package Size:  2 Fluid Oz.  $24.00



 ... $24 worth of chocolates from http://www.godiva.com probably

works better.  





Callie



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Subject: Hello

From: "Rachele Dahle" <rdahle@cybcon.com>

Date: 20 Feb 1997 02:59:57 GMT

--------

I do not regulary subscribe to this newsgroup (not that I don't want to) so

please forgive my intrusion.  But I am kind of desperate.  My mother is

going through "the change" (i.e. menopause) and she is experiencing some

very awful symptoms.  She has gone to conventional doctor's time after

time, and nothing is working for her.  She is experiencing the usual hot

flashes and such, but she is also losing alot of her hair and she has

extreme shortness of breath (to the point where it makes here panic).  I

believe that some of these symptoms might also be the result of stress (the

woman can never seem to relax).  I have the book "Prescription for

Nutrional Healing" and I have given her the information from that.  But I

was wondering if there are more alternatives to help her.  If anyone could

tell me where I could get some reliable information that could help her

out, I would greatly appreciate.  I know this may sound wierd, but it

causes me alot of pain too, to see her going through this, and I would like

to help her.  Thank you for your time, and live healthy and prosper...

-- 

Rachele





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hello

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 20 Feb 1997 06:22:01 -0700

--------

"Rachele Dahle" <rdahle@cybcon.com> wrote:



>I do not regulary subscribe to this newsgroup (not that I don't want to) so

>please forgive my intrusion.  But I am kind of desperate.  My mother is

>going through "the change" (i.e. menopause) and she is experiencing some

>very awful symptoms.  She has gone to conventional doctor's time after

>time, and nothing is working for her.  She is experiencing the usual hot

>flashes and such, but she is also losing alot of her hair and she has

>extreme shortness of breath (to the point where it makes here panic).  I

>believe that some of these symptoms might also be the result of stress 

  The hair loss and shortness of breath could easily be

stress-related.

  Have they tried the estrogen patch yet?  It's reputed to do

wonders!  If that didn't do much, then the problem might be a

shortage of the non-estrogen hormones, creating an estrogen

excess.  The absilute levels aren't as important as having a 

balance between the levels.



  Try Herb Moore's excellent set of references at

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/  

  he has several recipes for menopause and PMS,

that distinguish between too little estrogen and too much.



  and the Wise woman's Guide to Herbal healing (title

approximate, but it starts with "Wise Woman")



Herbs I have found helpful:

  damiana and yellow dock  ... they seem to boost the

non-estrogen hormones and that is apparenlty what I'm currently

short on.  Damiana is also a mild mood elevator, which can't

hurt.



  

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hello

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 20 Feb 1997 14:43:47 GMT

--------

>she is also losing alot of her hair and she has

>extreme shortness of breath (to the point where it makes her panic). 



I saw the helpful postings for your mother and I can only add that this

could involve thyroid function affecting the heart.  I would seek another

doctor's opinion.  Don't be too hasty-blaming everything on menopause. 

You need a doctor who won't brush everything off as "the change."  It

could be connected and then it might not be.  The menopause has a tendency

to aggrevate  conditions that were already there.

Remember if she was suffering from any other condition you wouldn't give

up until you found help.

Your public library will also have many books relating to menopause.  We

have a great collection here (town of only 8,000 people); I think it's

because most librarians are women!

Good luck to you both and I'm sorry she is having such a bad time going

through what should be a normal passage.

T.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hello

From: healingpgs@aol.com

Date: 25 Feb 1997 22:46:58 GMT

--------

In article <5ehj5p$ave@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) writes:



>  and the Wise woman's Guide to Herbal healing (title

>approximate, but it starts with "Wise Woman")



Menopausal Years: The Wise Woman Way

by Susun Weed, Ashtree Publishing

Great book.



There's a dozen titles on alternative approaches for menopause (it's an over-published field in my opinion).  Don't forget Gail Sheehy's book either: The Silent Passage.  Great for insight on psychological effects and benefits of menopause.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hello

From: yorker@pce.net

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:25:40 GMT

--------

On 20 Feb 1997 02:59:57 GMT, "Rachele Dahle" <rdahle@cybcon.com>

wrote:



>I do not regulary subscribe to this newsgroup (not that I don't want to) so

>please forgive my intrusion.  But I am kind of desperate.  My mother is

>going through "the change" (i.e. menopause) and she is experiencing some

>very awful symptoms.  She has gone to conventional doctor's time after

>time, and nothing is working for her.  She is experiencing the usual hot

>flashes and such, but she is also losing alot of her hair and she has

>extreme shortness of breath (to the point where it makes here panic).  I

>believe that some of these symptoms might also be the result of stress (the

>woman can never seem to relax).  I have the book "Prescription for

>Nutrional Healing" and I have given her the information from that.  But I

>was wondering if there are more alternatives to help her.  If anyone could

>tell me where I could get some reliable information that could help her

>out, I would greatly appreciate.  I know this may sound wierd, but it

>causes me alot of pain too, to see her going through this, and I would like

>to help her.  Thank you for your time, and live healthy and prosper...

>-- 

>Rachele

I can understand your pain also. I have been threw some trying times

with my mother also. Have you heard of DHEA? It can be found in any

drug store. It has really helped me with hot flashes,etc. I am kind of

new to this group als and I am not even sure that you will get this

message. If you want to put your email address, I will be happy to

give you more info, like price reading material and such.



Connie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hello

From: lisastag@aa.net (Lisa)

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:17:14 GMT

--------

"Rachele Dahle" <rdahle@cybcon.com> wrote:



>

>.  My mother is

>going through "the change" (i.e. menopause) and she is experiencing some

>very awful symptoms.  She has gone to conventional doctor's time after

>time, and nothing is working for her. 



Get Susun Weed's book "Menopausal Years".

It is wonderfully empowering. You should read it too.

At 37, I'm finding that if I take care of myself now with menopause in

mind, I'll have an easier time of it when it occurs. Or at least I'll

be more accepting & understanding of what my body is going through.



Hope this helps & Good Luck



Lisa

--



Lisa







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hello

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard Renaud)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:52:09 GMT

--------

"Rachele Dahle" <rdahle@cybcon.com> wrote:



>I do not regulary subscribe to this newsgroup (not that I don't want to) so

>please forgive my intrusion.  But I am kind of desperate.  My mother is

>going through "the change" (i.e. menopause) and she is experiencing some

>very awful symptoms.  She has gone to conventional doctor's time after

>time, and nothing is working for her.  She is experiencing the usual hot

>flashes and such, but she is also losing alot of her hair and she has

>extreme shortness of breath (to the point where it makes here panic).  I

>believe that some of these symptoms might also be the result of stress (the

>woman can never seem to relax).  I have the book "Prescription for

>Nutrional Healing" and I have given her the information from that.  But I

>was wondering if there are more alternatives to help her.  If anyone could

>tell me where I could get some reliable information that could help her

>out, I would greatly appreciate.  I know this may sound wierd, but it

>causes me alot of pain too, to see her going through this, and I would like

>to help her.  Thank you for your time, and live healthy and prosper...

>-- 

>Rachele



Hi Rachele,



The chinese herbal medicine has these formulas for menopause :



- Da Bu Yin Wan : tidal fever, night sweat, lumbago, hot flashes, tinnitus, restlessness,

constant hunger, restless insomnia.



- Chih Pai Di Huang Wan : tinnitus, night sweat, tidal fever, hot flashes, insomnia,

restless sleep.



- Chih Pai Pa Wei Wan : same as Chih Pai Di Huang Wan



- Restorative Pills : fatigue, night sweat, restless insomnia, hot flashes, tidal fever.



Available in chinese herbs stores.



I hope this helps,



Richard Renaud

rreno@quebectel.com









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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.life-extension

Subject: Re: Effective Herbal Testosterone Booster

From: torrey@hooked.net (Torrey Peacock)

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 03:13:26 GMT

--------

I haven't seen Chinese Deer Antler mentioned in this thread yet.  I

don't have any references on this, but I have heard that it does help

to boost testosterone.  In my own experience, and that of quite a few

other men I've talked to, it definitely does do *something* which

gives the male libido a noticeable lift.  There are a number of patent

formulas in Chinese phamacies that contain this herb, and also a

product in the natural food stores called "Antler Athletic."



Torrey







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: kbr@ecis.com

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:13:19 -0800

--------

Can anyone suggest any herbs to help the body ward off asthma attacks?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: pjkane@aol.com (PJKane)

Date: 20 Feb 1997 16:55:45 GMT

--------

kbr@ecis.com



<<Can anyone suggest any herbs to help the body ward off asthma attacks?>>



i drink Green Tea, which helps when my breath is raspy.  also, i have

foudn that the vast majority of my asthma attacks are caused by stress, so

i try to drink relaxing herbal teas (rose hips, chamolmile, mint, orange

.... there is a health food coop in Atlanta called Sevananda that blends

it's own teas--their "Relaxing Blend" is wonderful) to clam myself down...



and the best way to defend the body against asthma is to strengthen the

lungs through exercise,a nd try to breathe only good clean air--stay out

of smokey nightclubs, and listen to the news for days when the air in your

city is dirty--here in Atlanta they give warnings on days when it is so

bad that it will bother asthma, on those days i try to stay inside....



hope that helps..





paul j kane



.sig files are for weenies.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: cheezease@aol.com (CheezEase)

Date: 20 Feb 1997 18:46:20 GMT

--------

ephedra is also very effective, and quite safe if you use caution.

A tea made from Ephedra works nicely...Mormon Tea.

Order some tea from Rosetta (an herbal company in california.)

they have a unique blend of herbs called Peyo-Tea.  There is no peyote in

it, but is a recipe used by native americans prior to peyote trips.  It is

a cleansing tea and helped with my asthma earlier this winter.

It contains some Epehdra and a combo of other nice herbs.

-Rev. MeO





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: pjkane@aol.com (PJKane)

Date: 20 Feb 1997 19:41:41 GMT

--------

-Rev. MeO wrote:

<<ephedra is also very effective, and quite safe if you use caution.

A tea made from Ephedra works nicely...Mormon Tea.

Order some tea from Rosetta (an herbal company in california.)

they have a unique blend of herbs called Peyo-Tea.  There is no peyote in

it, but is a recipe used by native americans prior to peyote trips.  It is

a cleansing tea and helped with my asthma earlier this winter.

It contains some Epehdra and a combo of other nice herbs.>>



oh yes.  i had forgotten about this one.  in Chinese it is called Ma

Huong, and you can often find the tea under that name....







paul j kane



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: "Neil & Bonnie Jacobsen" <cableplus@msn.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 10:17:01 -0800

--------

Ginko Biloba

-- 

Neil & Bonnie Jacobsen  cableplus@msn.com



CheezEase <cheezease@aol.com> wrote in article

<19970220184600.NAA19867@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

> ephedra is also very effective, and quite safe if you use caution.

> A tea made from Ephedra works nicely...Mormon Tea.

> Order some tea from Rosetta (an herbal company in california.)

> they have a unique blend of herbs called Peyo-Tea.  There is no peyote in

> it, but is a recipe used by native americans prior to peyote trips.  It

is

> a cleansing tea and helped with my asthma earlier this winter.

> It contains some Epehdra and a combo of other nice herbs.

> -Rev. MeO

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: Gene <User@host.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 17:48:59 -0600

--------

PJKane wrote:

> 

> kbr@ecis.com

> 

> <<Can anyone suggest any herbs to help the body ward off asthma attacks?>>

> 

> i drink Green Tea, which helps when my breath is raspy.  also, i have

> foudn that the vast majority of my asthma attacks are caused by stress, so

> i try to drink relaxing herbal teas (rose hips, chamolmile, mint, orange

> .... there is a health food coop in Atlanta called Sevananda that blends

> it's own teas--their "Relaxing Blend" is wonderful) to clam myself down...

> 

> and the best way to defend the body against asthma is to strengthen the

> lungs through exercise,a nd try to breathe only good clean air--stay out

> of smokey nightclubs, and listen to the news for days when the air in your

> city is dirty--here in Atlanta they give warnings on days when it is so

> bad that it will bother asthma, on those days i try to stay inside....

> 

> hope that helps..

> 

> paul j kane

> 

> .sig files are for weenies.



From personal experience, have found Nachos and Cheese with a (Large)

side dish of Jalapeno Peppers aprox. once a week clears the lungs and

gives me breathing room.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: jontrigo@aol.com (JONTRIGO)

Date: 24 Feb 1997 10:23:27 GMT

--------

I was recommended pure licorice by my accupuncturist and was surprised at

how well it works.  

Apparently it has naturally occuring steroids and also works as an

expectorant.  You have to be careful though, because of the steroids  it

can cause problems such as high blood pressure, etc.  if you use too much.

 Ask an herbalist to find out how much is too much.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: "Duquette et al" <minmei@ids.net>

Date: 27 Feb 1997 08:28:28 GMT

--------

Gene <User@host.com> wrote in article <330F85EB.C30@host.com>...

> PJKane wrote:

> > 

> > kbr@ecis.com

<snip>

> From personal experience, have found Nachos and Cheese with a (Large)

> side dish of Jalapeno Peppers aprox. once a week clears the lungs and

> gives me breathing room.

> 

From what I know its the Jalapeno Peppers that is doing the work.  The

dairy will prolly make the condition worse, particularly if the person is

allergic or lactose intolerant.  Your best bet would prolly be to try plain

tortilla chips with Jalapeno salsa first and see if that does the trick.

	minmei





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:23:07 GMT

--------

kbr@ecis.com wrote:



>Can anyone suggest any herbs to help the body ward off asthma attacks?



Here's a post that I pulled off Deja News some time ago:



From:        tme7878@aol.com (TME7878)

Date:         1996/06/22



I had asthma for 25 years.  Tried various things--nothing 

worked until I picked up a book THE CURE FOR ALL DISEASES by 

Hulda Clark (Promotion Publishing 

1-800-231-1776.) In it she claims Asthma is caused by a 

combination of parasites and allergies. She gives a simple 

procedure to handle each. After killing the parasites, which 

took me 21 days I was 90% better. I went from taking 

medications dailly like prednisone to 1 squirt of primatene 

mist a day. After doing multiple liver flushes to get rid of my 

allergies both my asthma and all my allergies that I had had 

for 35 years disappeared. Nothing now restimulates my asthma. 

I can eat anything I want, run, dance and play, and sleep 

throughout the night with no problems.  ALL FOR NOW. GOOD LUCK 

TO YOU ALL.









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: ehoops@capital.net (Emmett Hoops)

Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:46:19 GMT

--------

Two things are recommended in The Naturalpathic Handbook of Herbal

Formulas, by Scalzo (3d edition): lungwort and mullein.



About lungwort, it says:

"High in mucilage, and is indicated in respiratory conditions such as

chronic bronchial cough and asthma."



About mullein, it says:

"Mullein is excellent in treating upper respiratory conditins such as

bronchitis due to its tonic action on mucous membranes of the

respiratory system.  It also reduces inflammation of the trachea and

at the same time soothes inflamed tissues."



I have used mullein for my bronchitis, and nothing has ever worked

such miracles.  I suggest you try lungwort first, though, since it is

specifically indicated for asthma.  Also, in my opinion, the tincture

is preferable to the pill form.



Good luck!

Emmett

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:13:19 -0800, kbr@ecis.com wrote:



>Can anyone suggest any herbs to help the body ward off asthma attacks?







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: Kirk T Norby <kirkt@selway.umt.edu>

Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 18:06:40 -0700

--------

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 kbr@ecis.com wrote:



> Can anyone suggest any herbs to help the body ward off asthma attacks?

My son has asthma.  A few years ago we brought him to a ND who suggested

he try a comb. of ping chaun and lobelia extract along with a

homeop.supplement.  I don't recall the name of the homeop. supp. but he

used the ping chaun at night (8 of them) when he frequently had his

attacks.  The lobelia he used when he had an attack.  I don't recall the

# of drops but hee hase used a dropper-full and had good results.  There

have been a couple of times when he has used a second or third dose

approx. 10 minutes apart. The lobelia replaced his proventil inhaler at

the suggestion of the ND.



I have heard comments about using schizandra or pantothenic acid.  The

first as a preventive approach.  My son (now 14) has used the schizandra

to prevent as well as help attacks;he has used the pantothenic acid the

same way.  For prevention, they both seem to help with stress, perhaps

through strengthening the adrenals.  



I have tried to discourage his intake of caffeine, because, in my opinion,

it wears down a weak system.  That and sugar.  I noticed that ice cream in

the evenings didn't help him.  



I got off the herbs there, but this has been something we've been working

on for 7 years and more. 





> 



> 







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Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard Renaud)

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 15:00:59 GMT

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Kirk T Norby <kirkt@selway.umt.edu> wrote:



>On Wed, 19 Feb 1997 kbr@ecis.com wrote:



>> Can anyone suggest any herbs to help the body ward off asthma attacks?



>My son has asthma.  A few years ago we brought him to a ND who suggested

>he try a comb. of ping chaun and lobelia extract along with a

>homeop.supplement.  I don't recall the name of the homeop. supp. but he

>used the ping chaun at night (8 of them) when he frequently had his

>attacks.



Hi,



The name of this Chinese formula is Ping Chuan Pills (composed of 10 herbs).

Sold in bottle of 120 small pills, dosage 10 pills 3 times daily (adult).

Available in Chinese herbs stores.



I hope this helps,



Richard Renaud







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Subject: Re: Are there herbs to help asthma?

From: Mommy Birdy <cgoeglein@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 22:26:09 -0500

--------

kbr@ecis.com wrote:

> 

> Can anyone suggest any herbs to help the body ward off asthma attacks?





You might consider Mormon Tea.  Ephedra.  From which is extracted 

Ephidrine.  Tastes ok with honey.



Mommy Birdy









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Subject: Basedow's is not Graves!

From: shil@cpd.flsco.fls.dk

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:21:11 -0600

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There has been some confusion as to what Basedow's and Grave's

disease are. According to some databases, they are different

words for the same thing. However, they are not!



Basedow's syndrome (as it is called in Europe) is exophlamic gointer, and

as such is related to hyPOthyroidism (myxedema). Such patients lack the

production of essential thyroid hormones (T3 and T4) and probably are

deficient in Iodine. As I mentioned in a previous thread, DocWeil

recommends Norweigen Kelp as an Iodine supplement, and other recommend

Tyrosine and phenylalanine as natural food supplents. Other Iodine-rich

foods are seafood, shellfish, and sea-salt (as opposed to  iodized salt,

which contains aluminum). Symptoms for Basedow's are chronic

fatigue,reduced metabolic level, decreased temperature,dry skin, and a

predisposition for small infections (presumably due to reduced immune

response). Therefore my patient has been given antioxidants, adaptogens,

megavitamins(in aminochelated form) and other things which will pep up

the immune system. She also receives artificial thyroid hormones

(Thyrazim) which tend to make her Thyroid stop producing hormones, which

is the trend we would like to reverse.



Grave's disease, on the other hand, is HyPERthyroidism, where

too much of the hormones are produced, leading to increased,

not decreased, metabolism. Here one would wish to decrease

intake of iodine and avoid hormone treatment.



So my questions are: what is the link between Basedow's and

chronic fatigue syndrome?  What are the links between Basedow's

and Hashimotos? Which herbs and acupuncture meridians can

be helpful in combating Hypothyroidism?



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Subject: Vericose Veins

From: joke@address.com (R. Burke and D. Brown)

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:26:01 GMT

--------

Greetings, all:



Has anyone treated vericose veins with success using herbs or

homeopathy?  I have heard of using Gotu Kola or hawthorn, ginkgo,

cayenne, butcher's broom, and bilberry--basically herbs that improve

circulation.  I would appreciate any info.  Thanks in advance,



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Subject: Re: Vericose Veins

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 21 Feb 1997 17:35:18 -0700

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joke@address.com (R. Burke and D. Brown) wrote:



>Has anyone treated vericose veins with success using herbs or

>homeopathy?  I have heard of using Gotu Kola or hawthorn, ginkgo,

>cayenne, butcher's broom, and bilberry--basically herbs that improve

>circulation.  I would appreciate any info.  Thanks in advance,



  The varicose veins are physically messed-up:  the walls are too

thin and have ballooned out beyond the muscles that line the

veins in places, creating the nodular appearance.  "Improving

circulation" doesn't have a thing to do with it  - it's like

trhing to patch a balooned-out hose by helping the water flow

faster.

  Elevating the feet, making sure pressure on the legs isn't

happening accidentally (the back of a badly-fitting chair, for

one), etc. will keep them from getting larger, but it's a

surgical fix, like any hernia.  The good news ... the surgery is 

less invasive than before, and many of the small veins can be

zapped in an office visit by lasers.

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Subject: Re: Vericose Veins

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 22 Feb 1997 16:02:00 GMT

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joke@address.com (R. Burke and D. Brown) wrote:



>Has anyone treated vericose veins with success using herbs or

>homeopathy?  



Saw some good postings to help you-in addition:



Some patients have had success in using comfrey poultices on their legs.

Also, the Chinese feel that varicosities are related to liver function. 

It might help a great deal to detoxify the liver.  Do you have any health

symptoms related to liver function?  How about urinary stones and/or

gravel?

T.

T.





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Subject: Re: Vericose Veins

From: "Neil & Bonnie Jacobsen" <cableplus@msn.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 10:09:02 -0800

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My husband has Varicose Veins and when they flare up we apply compresses of

Witch Hazel to calm them down. 

Also we alternate between HorseChestnut Extract and Ginko Biloba to keep

the circulation free and clear.

To help de-toxify the liver I recommend Dandelion and Milk Thistle. It

change reverse the damage done to it by cirrhosis and Hep C.

Another great de-toxifier is Burdock( Great Burdock) and Myrrh in

combination.

Alwyas research your herbs for possible side-effects before embarking on

the road to health. 

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> joke@address.com (R. Burke and D. Brown) wrote:

> 

> >Has anyone treated vericose veins with success using herbs or

> >homeopathy?  

> 

> Saw some good postings to help you-in addition:

> 

> Some patients have had success in using comfrey poultices on their legs.

> Also, the Chinese feel that varicosities are related to liver function. 

> It might help a great deal to detoxify the liver.  Do you have any health

> symptoms related to liver function?  How about urinary stones and/or

> gravel?

> T.

> T.

> 





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Subject: Re: Vericose Veins

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 13:38:57 GMT

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In a message dated 97-02-22 16:59:29 EST, you write:



<< Witch Hazel compresses help alleviate the pain from varicose veins. >>



I find the commercial Witch Hazel doesn't do as well as making your own

extract.  Have you found a difference?  There is a difference from steam

distillation, etc.



Weiner (1994) in Herbs that Heal, pg. 335 states-Witch Hazel is utilized

today largely...as a liniment for body aches and pains.  Witch Hazel

extracts contain astringent tannins that explain the beneficial effects of

water extract in reducing inflammation when applied externally. 

Commercially available "witch hazel extract," however, does not contain

tannins."  (It is distilled by steam.)

T.





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Subject: Re: Vericose Veins

From: joke@address.com (R. Burke and D. Brown)

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:32:15 GMT

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abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:







>  The varicose veins are physically messed-up:  the walls are too

>thin and have ballooned out beyond the muscles that line the

>veins in places, creating the nodular appearance.  "Improving

>circulation" doesn't have a thing to do with it  - it's like

>trhing to patch a balooned-out hose by helping the water flow

>faster.



The reason I asked about improving circulation is that I have seen in

several books that this is the thing to do.  I don't believe

everything I read or anything, but I had seen it several times.  Can

you point me in the direction of references to the above?  I have also

read that exercise and vitamin E work very well.  The Encyclopedia of

Common Diseases (by the staff of Prevention Magazine, 1976)  states

that: "Since varicose veins are caused by residue deposits of clotting

blood within the vein interiors, it stands to reason that anything

that will keep blood pulsing through the circulatory channels of the

blood system is extremely important".  More recent books state the

same, and is where I got the reference on Gotu Kola (Herbs for Health,

I think, by Michael Murray, ND).

>  Elevating the feet, making sure pressure on the legs isn't

>happening accidentally (the back of a badly-fitting chair, for

>one), etc. will keep them from getting larger, but it's a

>surgical fix, like any hernia.  The good news ... the surgery is 

>less invasive than before, and many of the small veins can be

>zapped in an office visit by lasers.

>Callie



Yes, these things do help.  The surgery my sister has gotten twice,

though does not prevent them from reoccuring.  Probably needs to look

into getting a different doctor as well, I imagine.



Thanks, Callie!

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Subject: Re: Vericose Veins

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 26 Feb 1997 01:31:06 -0700

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joke@address.com (R. Burke and D. Brown) wrote:



>abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:

>>  The varicose veins are physically messed-up:  the walls are too

>>thin and have ballooned out beyond the muscles that line the

>>veins in places, creating the nodular appearance.  "Improving

>>circulation" doesn't have a thing to do with it  - it's like

>>trhing to patch a balooned-out hose by helping the water flow

>>faster.

>The reason I asked about improving circulation is that I have seen in

>several books that this is the thing to do.

   It's not a clear-cut issue  ... things that keep the blood

from pooling in the legs -  like elevation, exercise, and no

tight garments -  do help.  But some people have a lot of surface

veins in their legs that are prone to develop varicosities no

matter what they do.  In the deeper veins, the muscles help

support the walls and move blood back to the heart, but surface

veins don't get that kind of help.



> I don't believe

>everything I read or anything, but I had seen it several times.  Can

>you point me in the direction of references to the above?  I have also

>read that exercise and vitamin E work very well. 

   Probably a cardiovascular surgery book, or an anatomy book.

My Taber's Medical Dictionary says they are "enlarged, twisted

superficial veins" and the etiology is "incompetent venous valves

that may be acquired  or congenital" and goes on to say made

worse by pregnancy, obesity or occupations that require standing.



  Obviously, those with more surface veins have more of a chance

of acquiring varicose veins.



> The Encyclopedia of

>Common Diseases (by the staff of Prevention Magazine, 1976)  states

>that: "Since varicose veins are caused by residue deposits of clotting

>blood within the vein interiors, 

  No - caused by intra-venous pressure getting high enough to

bulge out the walls of the veins.  The clotting blood is a later

complication, not the cause.



>Yes, these things do help.  The surgery my sister has gotten twice,

>though does not prevent them from reoccuring.  Probably needs to look

>into getting a different doctor as well, I imagine.

  A second opinion might help.



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Subject: Re: Vericose Veins

From: eep@nospam.com (R. Burke and D. Brown)

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:26:23 GMT

--------

abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:



>   It's not a clear-cut issue  ... things that keep the blood

>from pooling in the legs -  like elevation, exercise, and no

>tight garments -  do help.  But some people have a lot of surface

>veins in their legs that are prone to develop varicosities no

>matter what they do.  In the deeper veins, the muscles help

>support the walls and move blood back to the heart, but surface

>veins don't get that kind of help.



>   Probably a cardiovascular surgery book, or an anatomy book.

>My Taber's Medical Dictionary says they are "enlarged, twisted

>superficial veins" and the etiology is "incompetent venous valves

>that may be acquired  or congenital" and goes on to say made

>worse by pregnancy, obesity or occupations that require standing.



Thanks!  This is interesting information.  Can you point me in the

direction of a particular cardiovascular surgery book or even just a

good cardiovascular book?  And a question:  wouldn't aforementioned

herbs (or anything to improve circulation---I do remember the

analogy--like Vit E) help to keep blood from pooling in the legs?





>  No - caused by intra-venous pressure getting high enough to

>bulge out the walls of the veins.  The clotting blood is a later

>complication, not the cause.



So, if I understand, this intra-venous pressure is due to the fact

that these surface veins don't have the kind of support that deeper

veins have.   I'm not exactly clear as to why this lack of support

would create more pressure, however.



The whole situation is a bit odd as she's only 19 and as I stated

before, no one else in the family has this problem.  Hopefully,

exercise and support hose will prevent them from coming back.



Thanks again,

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Subject: Re: Vericose Veins

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 26 Feb 1997 19:34:27 GMT

--------

I believe I posted this before, but maybe others could confirm.  TCM,

Traditional Chinese Medicine, connects varicosities to liver function. 

Any comments?

T.





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Subject: Re: Vericose Veins

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 04:09:02 -0700

--------

eep@nospam.com (R. Burke and D. Brown) wrote:



>Thanks!  This is interesting information.  Can you point me in the

>direction of a particular cardiovascular surgery book or even just a

>good cardiovascular book?  

  Hmmm - I used to just go to the hospital library and look in

that section.  



>And a question:  wouldn't aforementioned

>herbs (or anything to improve circulation---I do remember the

>analogy--like Vit E) help to keep blood from pooling in the legs?

   The "pooling" happens because blood return to the heart is

pretty passive - the heart pumps it out the aorta with

considerable force, but by the time it's reached the veins the

pressure is reduced.  Muscle action around the veins, one-way

valves, and the left-over "push" from the heart are what moves

blood through veins.  The atria don't "suck" blood into them on

each beat ... whatever is there will flow in.  Gravity tends to

hold the blood in the lower extremities, hence the pooling.

   "Circulation improvers" usually help at the level of the

capillary beds by reducing the blood viscosity (like aspirin,

ginseng, etc.) or dilating the capillaries, but they aren't much

help with what is basically a plumbing problem in the veins.

Without surrounding muscles to provide the pressure and return

"push", the veins will have a tendency to overfill.



>So, if I understand, this intra-venous pressure is due to the fact

>that these surface veins don't have the kind of support that deeper

>veins have.   I'm not exactly clear as to why this lack of support

>would create more pressure, however.

  The pressure in deep and surface veins is about the same - it's

the vein's lack of "bracing" from surrounding muscle that is the

problem.

   Arteries have thick, muscular walls ... multi-layered,

overlapping like radial tires.  Veins have a thin layer of

muscle, usually a single layer.  It is not a strong layer, and

without the added reinforcement of skeletal muscles to push back

against the pressure, can develop hernias ... weak bulging spots.



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Subject: Re: Vericose Veins

From: eep@nospam.com (R. Burke and D. Brown)

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 03:17:41 GMT

--------

Thanks for the brief vascular lesson!  It's very useful information in

understanding what the v.veins are.



Rachael

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Subject: Re: Vericose Veins

From: joke@address.com (R. Burke and D. Brown)

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:14:13 GMT

--------

Hi all!



Thanks for the very interesting and helpful information.  It's

actually my sister who has the vein problem.  She has had surgery

twice and they keep returning.  This is why I thought herbs might be

helpful.  It's quite strange--she's fairly active and no one else in

my family has it--that we know of, of course.  I think she should go

to someone else as the type of surgery (I have forgotten exactly what

they are doing, but it leaves very distinct scars) she gets is

obviously not working very well.



Thanks again,

Rachael

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Subject: (no subject)

From: catherine taylor <taylor_c@gc.maricopa.edu>

Date: 20 Feb 1997 17:55:48 GMT

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Is there a web site out there that I can go to regarding cosmetic

ingredients and what they are made from.  There are so many chemicals

listed--I don't know what they are.



Thanks,

Cathy









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Subject: Re: (no subject)

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: 21 Feb 1997 09:06:51 GMT

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catherine taylor <taylor_c@gc.maricopa.edu> wrote:

>Is there a web site out there that I can go to regarding cosmetic

>ingredients and what they are made from.  There are so many chemicals

>listed--I don't know what they are.

>

>Thanks,

>Cathy

>

>



I don't know of a web site but I did find a book:

Natural Body Care Products --A Glossary of Terms & Ingredients

by Feather River Co.



I got mine from Mountain Rose Herbs  http://botanical.com/mtrose/  for 

$2.95.  Its 72 pages full of all the long words and what they mean and if 

they are harmful.  I've had great fun reading all the labels and throwing 

stuff out.  ;>



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Subject: Antique Vet Herbal Inf

From: earthling2@bigfoot.com

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:54:36 GMT

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Historical Research Inf.



I found a terrific antique Veterinarian book in the back of our huge

25 year storage collection of antique books. Being in the back like

that, we must have picked it up back in the sixties. This book is so

rare we have only found it one time in all these years of collecting

antique books, but one time is good enough.  (-; The real good books

they they always hung onto and wore out.  I was so amazed with the

content I decided to go to work  turning this book digital before the

sands of time had the rag pages ruined forever. This is a real

terrific book to have. Another year or two, I don't know. That is why

it is done now.

I can't or don't know how to squeeze 520 pages of information into a

short explanation. First of all, each page has been very carefully

scanned as a digital picture so the page formatting is the same as it

was put together then. I very carefully turned all the pages after

that into a PDF Acrobat file with plenty of handy bookmarks. This book

can actually be accessed for the information easier now than when it

was just  yellowed musty aged damaged rag pages. 

As far as the content of the digital book you want to know more about,

it is an antique Veterinary handbook for the farm (520 pages) heavy

into natural practices and using plants. The whole book also emphases

about how to be kind to animals and why.

There is everything from abscesses to warts. There is herbal info

about all kinds of stuff; parasites, worms, fleas, ticks, lice, herbal

recipes, mange, bunch of herbs for the various ailments, bladder,

bloody urine, bowels, breathing, bronchitis, broken bones and

fractures, castration, colds, lotions, diets, ear problems, distemper,

eye problems, fever in feet, frost bit, hernias, flies and how to

control, indigestion, foot problems, cankers of the ears, tender feet,

abortions, anemias, black tongue, pox, birth, typhus, hair balls,

hoven, milk fever, ringworm

There is two parts to this exclusive volume; Part one deals with

diseases, how to care for and other various ailments and prevention of

horses, cattle, dogs,sheep,poultry, swine, including birds. I went

thru the book at random and pulled this, there is a ton more I haven't

touched on. Heck even teaching birds to sing!

Part Two is about horses only, pages 451 thru 520. Stuff like

Intelligence and memory of the horse, apparatus and appliances used

for training, halters, looping and how to loop the cord and how to

use, line webbing, bad habits and how to control them, kicking in the

stable and stall, while harnessing, grooming, single harness, double

harness. Teaches the two methods for kicking horses. Striking with

their front feet, Balking , shyness, weaving, cribbing, cribbing

muzzle, biting, running away, tempering the mouth and care, taking up

the feet, straps on a runaway horse, refusing to stand while getting

into carriaging, cord used upon the mouth, hard pullers and luggers on

the bit, ugly to bridle, lolling the tongue, hugging the pole,

holters, pulling, fear in horses,  teaching to stand, breaking horses

and colts, style grace, trot square, lie down, knee command, sit up,

bow, answer questions, kiss, shake hands, kick right and left, waltz,

following, horse shoeing, pre pairing the foot, clips, corns, gravel

in feet, horse flies, Always be kind to the horse, pointers for good

horsemen, etc..  A bunch about horse training, showing, wagons,etc..

All kinds of stuff in this book with a bunch of black and white

illustrations. Just too much to go on about here. You just have to see

this rare book for yourself to understand and appreciate what all this

has to offer. This horse information is incredible. It naturally would

have to be. Back then that was their means of transportation, they had

to study and specialize very well and then some.

If you  wish to have a copy, let me know. Great Re-search info too.







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Subject: info about work of R. Schulze ?

From: gene@ionet.net (E. M. Bortmes)

Date: 20 Feb 1997 21:47:16 GMT

--------

Is anyone familiar with the work of R. Schulze?  I have heard that he 

specializes in treating diseases with herbs, and as such this sounds 

very interesting.







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Subject: cayenne

From: Lynn Voedisch <voedisch@suntimes.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:16:11 -0800

--------

Is there anyway to take cayenne without the resulting gasto-intestinal 

distress (I don't think I need to get graphic here). It's not like I'm 

not used to eating spicy foods, but a capsule or two of cayenne gives me 

big problems. Yet cayenne is supposed to be great for the circulatory 

system and for preventing migraines. Any suggestions on how to take it 

comfortably? (Don't suggest Cool Cayenne. It tried it. It's not much 

better than regular cayenne.)



Lynn





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Subject: Re: cayenne

From: gene@ionet.net (E. M. Bortmes)

Date: 21 Feb 1997 13:57:31 GMT

--------

In article <330D3DAB.2B@suntimes.com>, voedisch@suntimes.com says...

>

>Is there anyway to take cayenne without the resulting gasto-intestinal 

>distress (I don't think I need to get graphic here). It's not like I'm 

>not used to eating spicy foods, but a capsule or two of cayenne gives 

me 

>big problems. Yet cayenne is supposed to be great for the circulatory 

>system and for preventing migraines. Any suggestions on how to take it 

>comfortably? (Don't suggest Cool Cayenne. It tried it. It's not much 

>better than regular cayenne.)

>

>Lynn

Have you read the book "Left For Dead" by Dick Quinn?  Apparently he 

suggests use of garlic, and/or ginger etc.  It's available at health 

food stores. John Christopher also was pioneer herbalist who wrote 

about capsicum.  







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Subject: Re: cayenne

From: nospam@see.sig.for.real (Fubar the Unstoppable)

Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:39:09 GMT

--------

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:16:11 -0800, Lynn Voedisch

<voedisch@suntimes.com> wrote:



>Is there anyway to take cayenne without the resulting gasto-intestinal 

>distress (I don't think I need to get graphic here). It's not like I'm 

>not used to eating spicy foods, but a capsule or two of cayenne gives me 

>big problems. Yet cayenne is supposed to be great for the circulatory 

>system and for preventing migraines. Any suggestions on how to take it 

>comfortably? (Don't suggest Cool Cayenne. It tried it. It's not much 

>better than regular cayenne.)

>

>Lynn



I've had good luck taking cayenne in pineapple juice.  I believe that

the pineapple juice helps you digest it better.  Check out a book

called, "Ten Essential Herbs" by Lalitha Thomas.  There's a whole

chapter on cayenne.  One other suggestion is to cut the amount you

take at one time down to what your system is comfortable with and work

up slowly.  Hope that helps.

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Subject: Re: cayenne

From: John Connor <jconnor@pop.ipa.net>

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 20:56:05 -0600

--------

Lynn,  I also have had good luck taking cayenne in white grape juice,

info received from the Ten Essential Herbs by Lalitha Thomas. Hope this

helps!

Pam





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Subject: Re: cayenne

From: "Nite Flame" <NitFlame@vnet.net>

Date: 21 Feb 1997 21:46:42 GMT

--------

Greetings Lynn,

I have read and followed the suggestions in the book "Left for dead" by

Dick Quinn.  Not only does he suggest the use of garlic & ginger, but also

lecithin.  However, no matter what you take it with, it will give you the

"burning dumps" at first.  From what I've read and also personal experience

this is normal.  I would suggest that you slowly build up to the amount of

cayenne that is right for you.  Cayenne Trading company has the exclusive

rights to some of Dick Quinns cayenne recipes.  There are different levels

and different ingredients, depending on what exactly you are taking it for.

 If you would like to call them for a listing of these (they also put out a

monthly newsletter which I enjoy) their phone # is 1-800-641-6802, their

address is Cayenne Trading Co 114 Minnesota Ave Sebeka MN 56477.  I am Not

a part of this company, and it is NOt a multi-level scam, just thought you

might like some additional information.

Niteflame

> system and for preventing migraines. Any suggestions on how to take it 

> comfortably? (Don't suggest Cool Cayenne. It tried it. It's not much 

> better than regular cayenne.)

> 

> Lynn

> 





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Subject: Re: cayenne

From: Andrew Godfrey <andrew@zylanid.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:28:15 +0000

--------

In article <330D3DAB.2B@suntimes.com>, Lynn Voedisch

<voedisch@suntimes.com> writes

>Is there anyway to take cayenne without the resulting gasto-intestinal 

>distress (I don't think I need to get graphic here). It's not like I'm 

>not used to eating spicy foods, but a capsule or two of cayenne gives me 

>big problems. Yet cayenne is supposed to be great for the circulatory 

>system and for preventing migraines. Any suggestions on how to take it 

>comfortably? (Don't suggest Cool Cayenne. It tried it. It's not much 

>better than regular cayenne.)

>

>Lynn

I would imagine that taking cayenne on its own would upset any one. I

would have a comfortable amount in a curry along with cardamon,cumin,cor

iander,tumeric,cinnamon etc. along with foods that help your condition

(I am a great believer in taking your herbs with meals or as drinks

rather than as pills). There must also be other herbs to help

circulation as well. If something doesn't agree with you why persist in

doing yourself harm.

-- 

Andrew Godfrey





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Subject: Re: cayenne

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 21 Feb 1997 17:40:40 -0700

--------

Lynn Voedisch <voedisch@suntimes.com> wrote:



>Is there anyway to take cayenne without the resulting gasto-intestinal 

>distress (I don't think I need to get graphic here).

  The flaming exit?  FWIW, it's so common that Mexican Spanish

has a word for it.   Take less at one time, take it with a full

meal or cooked into the meal, take it with dairy products.

  The active ingredient, the capsicain, is found in ALL hot

chilis, not just "cayenne".  Go to a Mexican market or a good

gourmet store and test some of the milder powdered chiles 







 It's not like I'm 

>not used to eating spicy foods, but a capsule or two of cayenne gives me 

>big problems. Yet cayenne is supposed to be great for the circulatory 

>system and for preventing migraines.

  Start using serrano or jalapenos (fresh) in your cooking ...

yes, every blood vessel you have will dilate, but they are less

"burning" than cayenne. 

Callie



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cayenne

From: Sharon & Bengt <allorenone@paonline.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 09:20:08 -0800

--------

Dear Lynn,



Years ago I knew a bunch of folks who used to take Cayenne for a variety

of aliments, from arthritis to psorasis.  We used to sit around filling

gelatin capsules with cayenne powder.  The one thing they said was avoid

drinking coffee when taking cayenne.



A few years later, I was going out with a man who took cayenne for the

principal of it.  I began taking it then, but forgot about the coffee

warning the first morning. I remembered it when my stomach felt like a

nuclear bomb went off in it.



I hope this helps.



Chef Sharon

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Subject: Re: cayenne

From: Lynn Voedisch <voedisch@suntimes.com>

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:44:22 -0800

--------

Thanks Sharon:

   But I don't drink coffee! And I do take cayenne with food. In fact, 

I've done what most people have suggested. Still--the flaming exit.



Lynn





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Subject: Re: cayenne

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 24 Feb 1997 17:37:35 GMT

--------

>Thanks Sharon:

>   But I don't drink coffee! And I do take cayenne with food. In fact, 

>I've done what most people have suggested. Still--the flaming exit.

>Lynn



You obviously do not digest the cayenne as most people do, it stays

intact.  I do not know what chemicals or enzymes are required in

sufficient amounts to digest it, but perhaps we have a biochemist out

there who does?  Then, if you feel you absolutely must have it, you could

supply the missing HCL, or enzyme, or whatever that you are short of.

We use a great deal of red pepper here in Tobasco country, this is where

it's grown,  and some people get "red butt" and some don't.  Those that do

quit eating it!

T.







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Subject: Re: cayenne

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 24 Feb 1997 18:49:05 -0700

--------

Lynn Voedisch <voedisch@suntimes.com> wrote:



>Thanks Sharon:

>   But I don't drink coffee! And I do take cayenne with food. In fact, 

>I've done what most people have suggested. Still--the flaming exit.



Lynn -

  Cayenne might be a "digestive aid" for some people, but your

intestinal tract is clearly ineligible for this herb.

  What it it supposed to be doing FOR you that is worth the

indigestion?  Assuming you started with small doses and tried to

build up a tolerance, you might just have tissues too sensitive

for capsaicain and should use alternatives.

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Subject: Re: cayenne

From: Andrew Godfrey <andrew@zylanid.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:36:14 +0000

--------

In article <5etgeh$p21@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Tsu Dho Nimh

<abacaxi@hotmail.com> writes

>Lynn Voedisch <voedisch@suntimes.com> wrote:

>

>>Thanks Sharon:

>>   But I don't drink coffee! And I do take cayenne with food. In fact, 

>>I've done what most people have suggested. Still--the flaming exit.

>

>Lynn -

>  Cayenne might be a "digestive aid" for some people, but your

>intestinal tract is clearly ineligible for this herb.

>  What it it supposed to be doing FOR you that is worth the

>indigestion?  Assuming you started with small doses and tried to

>build up a tolerance, you might just have tissues too sensitive

>for capsaicain and should use alternatives.

>Callie

>

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Have just watched  Food And Drink on BBC2 which included some Indian

cookery. The Chef pointed out that tumeric helped counter the effect of

Chili on the stomach lining (anti inflammatory). I also believe that

many of the other spices in curries help settle the stomach, ease wind

etc. as well as aid digestion

-- 

Andrew 





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Subject: Re: cayenne

From: ford@unix.infoserve.net (Kathryn Ford)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 19:42:19 GMT

--------

Lynn Voedisch (voedisch@suntimes.com) wrote:

: Is there anyway to take cayenne without the resulting gasto-intestinal 

: distress (I don't think I need to get graphic here). It's not like I'm 

: not used to eating spicy foods, but a capsule or two of cayenne gives me 





Hi Lynn,



The instructor of two Indian cooking courses I took told us that powdered 

cayenne tends to cause "distress".  She advocated using the dried red 

chili peppers themselves.  I occasionally use powdered cayenne when I 

want to make a quick masala, but generally, I scrunch up dried peppers.



This, of course, is for cooking purposes.  I don't know how this would 

translate into taking cayenne by itself.  Perhaps using cayenne with 

something else (as it always is in Indian cooking) would be more 

appropriate than just slugging it down on its own!



Good luck

Kathy



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Subject: Introduction to Ganoderma #10

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 07:31:07 -0600

--------

Introduction to Ganoderma #10

7. Effects are excellent in treating the post-operative

cancer patients and inhibiting the cancer cells.



     7-1 Taking Ganoderma with chemotherapy may have

     significant



     results for patients who have had surgery for breast

     cancer, colon cancer or gastric cancer.



     Reported by Dr. Hiroshi Kawai of Kinki University



     The experimental subjects were those patients who were

     in bad condition after surgery, and those who were

     suffering from the side effects of chemotherapy.



     When a female patient was subject to chemotherapy after

     a mastectomy, her face became very dark. However, after

     using Ganoderma for two months, her color improved a

     lot. For another patient whose limbs became paralysed

     and swollen after a mastectomy, the numbness

     significantly improved after taking Ganoderma for one

     month. There were patients who used Ganoderma

     together with some Chinese herbal medicines for ten days

     after a colostomy, night sweats disappeared and appetites

     improved. Some patients lost the appetite after gastric

     cancer operation, and the appetite improved after six

     capsules of Ganoderma were taken each day. In view of

     the above results, we can see that Ganoderma taken with

     chemotherapy not only is a valuable auxiliary treatment,

     but side effects of chemotherapy can be reduced.



     7-2 Ganoderma can prevent cancer metastasis, relieve

     pain, and improve the chances of longevity.



     Ganoderma belongs to one of fungi family and is widely

     believed to be an effective cancer treatment not only in

     Japan, China, but also in the U.S.A., Canada, the Russia

     and Scotland. Some medical specialists in different

     countries are using the latest scientific instruments to do

     clinical tests, e.g., Prof. Tung Ta-cheng, Medical College

     of National Taiwan University; Prof. Cheng Hui-hua and

     Prof. Tung Ui-Chi of Taipei Medical College. The

     experimental results have proved Ganoderma is effective

     in cancer treatment. Listed below are some information

     concerning Ganoderma in treating cancer as collected

     from research reports:



     1 ) The anti-cancer components of Ganoderma are

     Polysaccharide and germanium.



     2) It is of combination and multiplicative efficacy. There

     would be no effect if taking the two components

     separately.



     3) It can strengthen stamina, reinforce the immune

     system, and restrain cancer metastasis.



     4) It is helpful to patients who underwent a surgery of

     such cancer as esophageal cancer, gastric cancer, breast

     cancer, intestinal cancer and uterine cancer.



     5) It can eliminate cancerous ascites, improve appetite,

     and relieve the pain of last stage cancer.



     6) It is more effective and has no side effects when used

     together with other cancer treatments, such as surgery,

     radiation, and chemotherapy.



     Based on the above clinical reports, we may say

     Ganoderma has the quality to prevent, suppress and cure

     cancer.



     When we are young, most of us may have dental carries,

     myopia or cancer tendencies, and which may develop at

     any time. We shall do our best to prevent them from

     occurring. If we want to prevent tooth decay, we should

     take more calcium and avoid sweets. If we want to get rid

     of myopia, we should take more vitamin A and avoid eye

     fatigue. If we want to prevent cancer, we should take

     Ganoderma and avoid imbalanced diet.

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Subject: Ginko Biloba Dosage vs Potency?

From: "Phil Recchio" <precchio@kodak.com>

Date: 21 Feb 1997 17:07:23 GMT

--------

I'm new to herbal dietary supplements and a bit confused regarding dosages

and potency.  For example, I've seen Ginko Biloba sold in 400MG caps and

40MG "standardized" (24:1 I think) tabs.  Now, I assume the standardized

version is a concentrate of its active ingredients.  Dosage suggestions

claim ~800MG/day of Ginko Biloba.  It doesn't seem logical to take 20 of

the 40MG tabs, where 2 of the 400MG caps seems more like it.  But, how much

active ingredient (potency) is contained in the 400MG dosage caps vs the

40MG dosage tabs?  Can anyone shed some insight on these units of

measurement? 

-- 

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Subject: Nutra Sweet irritates bladder?

From: cheeena@aol.com (Cheeena)

Date: 21 Feb 1997 18:03:28 GMT

--------

Hi, i was told by my new ob/gyn that my irritatingly frequent need to pee

(in strangely small amounts each time) may be caused by using NutraSweet,

which he says "irritates the bladder." I use maybe 4 packets a day, five

days a week. there's no pain when I urinate, but the urge often hits

lightning fast, which sucks if you're stuck somewhere 5 miles from the

nearest restroom! and then after all that, what seemed like it would be

Niagara Falls is just a leaky faucet. This has been more or less the case

for about 4 months now. Am I headed for Depends at an early age or what?

And does Nutrasweet really have something to do with it?

--acey





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Subject: Re: Nutra Sweet irritates bladder?

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 21 Feb 1997 20:01:44 GMT

--------

Acey wrote:

>Hi, i was told by my new ob/gyn that my irritatingly frequent need to pee

(in strangely small amounts each time) may be caused by using NutraSweet,

which he says "irritates the bladder." <



Talk about a stab in the dark.  It certainly can cause urinary irritation,

but so can a thousand other things.  Vit. C does this quite often, as well

as food colorings, and chocolate milk, milk, other foods and medications,

pinworms, subacute infections, trauma during intercourse, clothing, etc.,

etc.



Of course, he's absolutely correct if you stop using it and the problem

ceases,  which would be the first thing to try-got to give the guy a

chance, after all that's what you paid him for.  Let us know if it works.

T.





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Subject: Re: Nutra Sweet irritates bladder?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 21 Feb 1997 17:42:17 -0700

--------

cheeena@aol.com (Cheeena) wrote:



>Hi, i was told by my new ob/gyn that my irritatingly frequent need to pee

>(in strangely small amounts each time) may be caused by using NutraSweet,

>which he says "irritates the bladder." I use maybe 4 packets a day, five

>days a week.

In coffee?  That can definitely irritate your bladder, just 

from the acid.  



Try using real usgar, or go cold turkey off the sweetener (switch

to chamomile tea or something for an office drink)

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Subject: Re: Nutra Sweet irritates bladder?

From: Bettyc <Bettyc@flyinggoat.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 17:47:30 -0800

--------

> cheeena@aol.com (Cheeena) wrote:

> 

> >Hi, i was told by my new ob/gyn that my irritatingly frequent need to pee

> >(in strangely small amounts each time) may be caused by using NutraSweet,

> >which he says "irritates the bladder."



NutraSweet turns to ammonia in the system in generally non-toxic

amounts-however, if you're pregnant, the small amounts can cause brain

damage in the fetus.



My whole family gets migraines from NutraSweet except my dad, which is

fortunate because he's diabetic





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Subject: Re: Nutra Sweet irritates bladder?

From: jpando@orion.it.luc.edu (Jenny Pando)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 14:18:21 GMT

--------

Try using a few sprinkles of powdered Stevia leaf, which can be found in

most large health food stores or through mail order catalogues.  It's used

in countries like Japan in Diet Coke instead of artificial sweeteners.  No

calories, good for diatbetics, all-natural, no unpleasant side affects... 





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Subject: Re: Nutra Sweet irritates bladder?

From: rfs1@.ix.netcom.com

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 02:57:56 GMT

--------

On 21 Feb 1997 18:03:28 GMT, cheeena@aol.com (Cheeena) wrote:



>Hi, i was told by my new ob/gyn that my irritatingly frequent need to pee

>(in strangely small amounts each time) may be caused by using NutraSweet,

>which he says "irritates the bladder." I use maybe 4 packets a day, five

>days a week. there's no pain when I urinate, but the urge often hits

>lightning fast, which sucks if you're stuck somewhere 5 miles from the

>nearest restroom! and then after all that, what seemed like it would be

>Niagara Falls is just a leaky faucet. This has been more or less the case

>for about 4 months now. Am I headed for Depends at an early age or what?

>And does Nutrasweet really have something to do with it?

>--acey

I can't give you 100% good information on this but, ever since the

Nutrasweet/brain tumor issue came around I have been using sugar again

and have noticed quite a difference in the "urgency" problem.





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Subject: * HELP *  Anyone know about FORSKOLLI or FORSKOLIN?

From: "eric" <eric@michiguide.com>

Date: 22 Feb 1997 00:08:09 GMT

--------

I have read about a herb called Forskolli or Caellus Forskolli containing a

compound called Forskolin.  It is supposed to help normalize thyroid

function and boost the adrenals.   If anyone has any information on this

herb, please write me at 



eric@michiguide.com



Thanks,



Eric





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Subject: Cat's Claw Reference Booklet

From: lsanc26051@aol.com (LSanc26051)

Date: 22 Feb 1997 00:22:38 GMT

--------

Since we have had alot of inquiries re:the Cat's Claw bark we sell, we

have found a 32 page booklet  on the subject.  It covers the common names,

species, plant parts, active compounds, pharmacology, history, Peruvian

laws regarding harvesting, specific disorders-gastrointestinal,

antiinflammatory, immune booster, antioxident, cancer and aids and cat's

claw and many other topices.  Louise w/ Nature's Flavorings  





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Subject: Introduction to Ganoderma #11

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 09:31:07 -0600

--------

Introduction to Ganoderma #11



8. Ganoderma also can effectively treat varicose veins,

pain on the waist and shoulders, rheumatism of the hands

and knees, and sciatica.



Reported by Dr. Taro Kiyobara of the Hospital of Plastic and

Reconstructive Surgery.



     Ganoderma can be used to treat the pain at low back,

     hands, shoulders and knees. There was also one case of

     varicose veins which improved to some extent.



     Ganoderma is considerably effective in the treatment of

     pain caused by blood, blood vessel, or hematoma on the

     torso.



     Of the shoulder, neck and knee pains, it was reported

     Ganoderma relieved the pain originated from a deformed

     knee in one case, and the pain at neck and shoulder in

     two cases.

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Subject: SOB and Panic -was Re: Hello (menopause)

From: joereidomd@leonardo.net

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:11:43 -0800

--------

In article <5ehj5p$ave@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu

Dho Nimh) wrote:



> "Rachele Dahle" <rdahle@cybcon.com> wrote:

> >I do not regulary subscribe to this newsgroup (not that I don't want to) so

> >please forgive my intrusion.  But I am kind of desperate.  My mother is

> >going through "the change" (i.e. menopause) and she is experiencing some

> >very awful symptoms.  She has gone to conventional doctor's time after

> >time, and nothing is working for her.  She is experiencing the usual hot

> >flashes and such, but she is also losing alot of her hair and she has

> >extreme shortness of breath (to the point where it makes here panic).  I

> >believe that some of these symptoms might also be the result of stress 

>   The hair loss and shortness of breath could easily be

> stress-related.



>   Have they tried the estrogen patch yet?  It's reputed to do

> wonders!  If that didn't do much, then the problem might be a

> shortage of the non-estrogen hormones, creating an estrogen

> excess.  The absilute levels aren't as important as having a 

> balance between the levels.

>   Try Herb Moore's excellent set of references at

> http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/  

>   he has several recipes for menopause and PMS,

> that distinguish between too little estrogen and too much.

>   and the Wise woman's Guide to Herbal healing (title

> approximate, but it starts with "Wise Woman")

> Herbs I have found helpful:

>   damiana and yellow dock  ... they seem to boost the

> non-estrogen hormones and that is apparenlty what I'm currently

> short on.  Damiana is also a mild mood elevator, which can't

> hurt.

> Callie

> 

Shortness of breath is by far the most important concern, in my opinion.

Would the _conventional doctors_ she's seen _lately_ include pulmonary and

cardiac specialists ?    If thorough evaluation / testing has not explained

this, I would consider impaired digestion / abdominal fullness not allowing

the diaphragm to descend properly (common enough after overeating).  When

panic seems imminent, try strong thumb pressure on P6 (3 fingers width up

from the mid inner wrist) (hold a few seconds, repeat).  Also, press both

hands on the abdomen and deep breath in so as to force the belly out, then

exhale strongly and fully through pursed lips as if blowing a balloon. 

Also, big yawns.  Those three techniques should help.

(Sorry I didn't talk about herbs)



Joe Reid, O.M.D.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SOB and Panic -was Re: Hello (menopause)

From: zeeswan@aol.com (ZeeSwan)

Date: 22 Feb 1997 22:07:15 GMT

--------

Another suggestion for your mom and her meno symptoms is to read the alt.

menopause newsgroup. Lots of great postings about symptoms so she may

recognize similarities with her own symptoms and realize what is "normal"

for this time of life.  Information and support are available on this ng.



ZeeSwan

alt.folklore herbs





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: SOB and Panic -was Re: Hello (menopause)

From: "Marylin J. Kraker" <mkraker@c4systm.com>

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 08:17:57 -0500

--------

The group is 

alt.support.menopause

and it's very helpful.



Health,

Marylin





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Newsgroups: alt.support.cancer,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP! MOM FIGHT CANCER - Plant substances

From: abg21@dial.pipex.com (Nick Hunter)

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 22:47:41 +0000

--------

ALLKG <allkg@aol.com> wrote:



> Hi My Mom was just DXed with Lymphoma.  She had a football sized tumor in

> her abdomen.  I had just heard some information on Provex, an antioxidant

> from grape seeds.  She took 250mg for 2 months and the tumor disappeared.

<snip>



What wonderful news! I am continually amazed by the body's remarkable

capacity for recovery when assisted by plant substances. Congratulations



One of the great dilemmas for cancer patients seeking natural remedial

routes is in deciding what to choose from the huge range of plant and

herbal substances which have been used successfully against cancers,

because each type of cancer, or even each individual cancer responds

differently to different substances. How fortunate that your mother

found something that worked so well for her.



Jonathan Hartwell from the National Cancer Institute in Bethesda, MD

has surveyed 3,000 such substances.(Hartwell, 1967 through 1971. Plants

used against cancer. A Survey. Lloydia, vol 30, no 4 through vol 34 no

4, in ten parts)



In his introduction Hartwell states: "It was of interest to the writer

to note how completely the history of the herbal treatment of cancer has

been identified with the history of medicine, indeed of civilisation" 

Sadly this is not the attitude of allopathic medicine which today

dominates the cancer industry. 



How long must cancer patients wait before the industry and the cancer

charities get around to funding proper research into plant and herbal

substances - to help them decide which ones to choose, and for which

circumstances?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help!  Sleeping Problems!

From: Karen Cook <kk15968@swt.edu>

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 14:49:04 -0800

--------

Thanks all of you for the great information on Echinacea and Goldenseal.

You have all been very helpful.  Now I have another problem that can

potentially end my marriage and so I need help right away.



I usually need to get up every morning between 4:00 and 5:00 to go to

the bathroom.  Once I get back into bed, I can't get back to sleep

because my husband snores very loudly.  Because of this I usually have

to go to the other bedroom so that I can finish getting my sleep.  I

am always tired because I don't feel that I am getting a full nights

rest and the sofa-bed is NOT comfortable.  Can anyone suggest something

that

I might try to help me sleep through the night or something that my

husband might try for his snoring?  I appreciate any advice that can be

offered.



Thanks.

-Karen





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help!  Sleeping Problems!

From: steve <spowel4@ibm.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 10:16:40 -0500

--------

Karen Cook wrote:

> 

> Thanks all of you for the great information on Echinacea and Goldenseal.

> You have all been very helpful.  Now I have another problem that can

> potentially end my marriage and so I need help right away.

> 

> I usually need to get up every morning between 4:00 and 5:00 to go to

> the bathroom.  Once I get back into bed, I can't get back to sleep

> because my husband snores very loudly.  Because of this I usually have

> to go to the other bedroom so that I can finish getting my sleep.  I

> am always tired because I don't feel that I am getting a full nights

> rest and the sofa-bed is NOT comfortable.  Can anyone suggest something

> that

> I might try to help me sleep through the night or something that my

> husband might try for his snoring?  I appreciate any advice that can be

> offered.

> 

> Thanks.

> -Karen



Have you tried Breathe Right nasal strips for him?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help!  Sleeping Problems!

From: Karen Cook <kk15968@swt.edu>

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:56:42 -0800

--------

steve wrote:

> Have you tried Breathe Right nasal strips for him?



Yes I have and unfortunately they don't help.  My husband snores

strangely-- through his nose and not his mouth.  If he sleeps with

his mouth open, he does not snore.  I've never seen anything like it.

He doesn't suffer from sleep apnia because I have watched him and

he never stops breathing.  I am really at a loss for the cause of his

snoring.



-KC





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To: Karen Cook <kk15968@swt.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help!  Sleeping Problems!

From: "Jeffrey L. Brown" <jlbrown@top.monad.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 10:22:22 -0500

--------

Hi,

I'm not sure if these would help in your situation, but for 

insomnia I use lavender essential oil (mixed with a veg. oil and 

applied).

I also use Calmplex 2000 (homeopathic) sometimes.

Let me know if you want more info on these.



Chris



Karen Cook wrote:

> 

> Thanks all of you for the great information on Echinacea and Goldenseal.

> You have all been very helpful.  Now I have another problem that can

> potentially end my marriage and so I need help right away.

> 

> I usually need to get up every morning between 4:00 and 5:00 to go to

> the bathroom.  Once I get back into bed, I can't get back to sleep

> because my husband snores very loudly.  Because of this I usually have

> to go to the other bedroom so that I can finish getting my sleep.  I

> am always tired because I don't feel that I am getting a full nights

> rest and the sofa-bed is NOT comfortable.  Can anyone suggest something

> that

> I might try to help me sleep through the night or something that my

> husband might try for his snoring?  I appreciate any advice that can be

> offered.

> 

> Thanks.

> -Karen





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help!  Sleeping Problems!

From: cheezease@aol.com (CheezEase)

Date: 24 Feb 1997 19:41:05 GMT

--------

Skullcap, Passion Flower, Kava Kava, Hops...I recommend all of these herbs

to vastly help sleep come!

-Rev. MeO





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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: CFS Regimen

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 22:59:38 GMT

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CFS Regimen



Start all herb and supplement regimens slowly, ensuring

no allergies or other adverse reactions.



With any chronic illness such as CFS, organ dysfunction

must be addressed first to ensure optimum regimen benefit.



The liver is a major player in immune function.  If there

are any food allergies, upper back pain, bags under the eyes

when not sleepy, yellowing of skin or eyes, it should be cleaned.

In these cases, a mini regimen which works well for many cases

consists of turmeric, fennel seeds, silymarin, dandelion root,

and yellowdock.  These herbs remove many toxins from the liver

and the following supplement regimen contains them:



Now Silymarin, as directed.  Contains mostly turmeric, and the 

best deal I have seen for silymarin.  If this cannot be found, 

take plain silymarin capsules along with 1/2 teaspoon turmeric 

powder twice per day. 

  plus 

Fennel seeds.  1 teaspoon twice per day, chew well.  Capsules 

are available at many herb shops if the taste cannot be tolerated. 

  plus 

Solaray Dandelion Yellowdock Blend.  As directed.





If this does not take care of liver problems within three 

weeks, see "Diet and Supplement Tips" and follow the Stones, 

Crystals, and Deposits regimen for three weeks, followed by 

liver flushes if necessary.  The Tips article is posted 

regularly to misc.health.alternative or request from me.



It is helpful to take a good multivitamin and multimineral

daily while fighting many diseases.  This combination is good:



Twinlab Daily One or VegLife Multi

  plus

Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate or Now Calcium Citrate (include mangesium).



Lymph glands help cleanse the body and play a role in immune 

function.  If they are swollen, some of them can usually be felt 

like peas under the skin in the following places:  Armpit, 

groin fold, and under the jawbone.  They can be massaged gently 

in a circular motion daily until they drain.  The following 

supplements will help, taking one or more:  



Burdock

  and/or

Nature's Herb's Red Clover Combination

  and/or

Essiac

  and/or

Wild indigo.  



Take wild indigo only as directed or under professional 

supervision.  



Baths and showers, with the water as hot as one can comfortably 

stand, also help drain lymphs.  Hot tubs with strong jets work 

well.  Deep breathing exercises and stretching or yoga can 

greatly aid lymphatic drainage as well as immune function. If 

this still does not result in significant shrinkage, it is 

helpful to use a Beck lymph pulser or other magnetic cleansing 

modality.



For any viral infection a supplement that is helpful is New 

Jersey Tea, also known as red root.  For sore throat, gargle 

with a tea made with warm water and a heaping teaspoon of the 

herb, then swallow, or just take capsules as directed.  It is 

also reportedly helpful for spleen enlargement.



For general immune function there are many supplements which 

help, including reishi and maitake mushrooms, thymus extract, 

echinacea, goldenseal, astragalus, cat's claw, and others. 

A good pair of supplements which is probably most helpful in 

CFS is the following:



Solaray Thymus Plus

  plus

Cat's claw. 



Thymus Plus contains glandulars as well as echinacea, 

goldenseal, and others.



After these issues are addressed, then it is on to the main 

supplement regimen.  Many combinations can be used, but the 

following combination addresses the condition best in my 

opinion:



Green black walnut hulls.  Green hull extract, green black 

walnut extra strength tincture, or green hull powder can be 

used.  One product that is encapsulated which states that the 

hulls were harvested when green is Nature's Way Black Walnut 

Hulls. Use this product at double recommended dosage for three 

weeks.  Best is to use fresh walnuts, and pare off just the 

green outer hulls, and eat a few slices.

  plus

Cloves.  Whole ones, available at supermarkets or in bulk at 

herb shops (not garlic, the seed spice).  Do not use 

preground.  Chew 20 three times per day for three weeks.  They 

are hot, though, and many people cannot take them in this 

manner.  In this case, grind the whole ones up and pack into 

gelatin capsules and take 3, 3x day for three weeks.

  plus

Grapefruit extract.  There are many brands available - some are

grapefruit seed extract and some are plain grapefruit extract.

The most powerful brand is Now Grapefruit Extract.  It is 

Citricidal, which is three times more powerful than diluted

varieties.  Another good one is Nutrabiotics Grapefruit

Plus, which is a combination containing wormwood and other

herbs.  Take for three weeks as directed.

  plus

Wormwood Annua.  This is available in bulk at some herb shops,

or can be ordered from Richter's Herbs in Canada and many 

other herb suppliers.  Take 7 capsules twice per day for three

weeks.

  plus

Goldenseal root.  As directed.





Eating garlic (2 or more cloves per day if possible) and onions 

(1 per day if possible) is helpful in any viral or parasitic 

infection.



The Zone diet is very helpful for low energy levels in most

people.  See The Zone by Barry Sears for more information.

The diet probably stimulates immune function as well, so could

be very helpful.



If the problem is not cured by this time, it is necessary to 

investigate bioelectronic regimens.  Hulda Clark's zapper works 

in some cases, but surer cures are to use a Rife generator

administered by someone who has previously treated CFS 

successfully or a multifrequency zapper or function generator (with

adjustable duty cycle (45%)) used at both Clark and Rife frequencies

for the condition.



Although I have never used this regimen on Lyme, it is likely 

just as effective for the condition as it is for CFS.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: son's chronic tonsilitis

From: Elizabeth Gulley <jg1@chrh.org>

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 23:34:25 GMT

--------

Can anyone tell me of any treatments for chronic tonsilitis? My little boy

age 7, is always having a sore throat with swollen glands in his neck.  He

has been to the pediatrician frequently for this condition and it only

been diagnosed as strep a few times.  He is just always having a sore

throat, especially when the weather changes.  Can anyone help?







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: son's chronic tonsilitis

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 06:55:03 -0700

--------

Elizabeth Gulley <jg1@chrh.org> wrote:



>Can anyone tell me of any treatments for chronic tonsilitis? My little boy

>age 7, is always having a sore throat with swollen glands in his neck.  He

>has been to the pediatrician frequently for this condition and it only

>been diagnosed as strep a few times.  He is just always having a sore

>throat, especially when the weather changes.  Can anyone help?



  It might be allergies - the tonsils are loaded with lymph nodes

and immune cells.  They can swell when they are fighting

allergens as well as bacteria.  There is "allergic otititis

media", or an allergic inflammation of the middle ear and throat

that does a pretty good imitation of strep throat.  Very sore

throat, hoarse voice to total laryngitis, but little if any

fever.  Try a preventive ... child's allergy medications BEFORE

and during the weather changes.  Keep an eye on the weather

broadcasts.



  FWIW - I have the same problem, only my tonsils were removed

when I was 18.  Now it's the rest of the lymph nodes in my neck

that swell with allergies.



Callie



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: son's chronic tonsilitis

From: "Deana Stom" <deana.stom@pacificorp.com>

Date: 27 Feb 1997 19:41:11 GMT

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in article

<5epi7n$2t6@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>...

> Elizabeth Gulley <jg1@chrh.org> wrote:

> 

> >Can anyone tell me of any treatments for chronic tonsilitis? My little

boy

> >age 7, is always having a sore throat with swollen glands in his neck. 

He

> >has been to the pediatrician frequently for this condition and it only

> >been diagnosed as strep a few times.  He is just always having a sore

> >throat, especially when the weather changes.  Can anyone help?

> 

>   It might be allergies - the tonsils are loaded with lymph nodes

> and immune cells.  They can swell when they are fighting

> allergens as well as bacteria.  There is "allergic otititis

> media", or an allergic inflammation of the middle ear and throat

> that does a pretty good imitation of strep throat.  Very sore

> throat, hoarse voice to total laryngitis, but little if any

> fever.  Try a preventive ... child's allergy medications BEFORE

> and during the weather changes.  Keep an eye on the weather

> broadcasts.

> 

>   FWIW - I have the same problem, only my tonsils were removed

> when I was 18.  Now it's the rest of the lymph nodes in my neck

> that swell with allergies.



Quite a nasty thing to live with -- I did it for 18 years.... (my

grandmother swears I'm the only child in the world to be born with a cold

_and_ a sore throat)

What I ended up doing:   Go back to the Dr.  Make them run some blood

tests....  It turned out that I did NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT have strep at all.

What had happened is that the medicine that various Dr's. had been

prescribing me had managed to mutate my tonsils into greenhouse for a very

nasty case of STAPH.

The end result: For the first 18 years of my life, I was sick from October

until May (on every antibiotic known to pharmaceuticals) and it was not

entirely unusual for the condition to be year-round..... 

Finally, in August of the year I turned 19, I was correctly diagnosed, and

after yet _another_ series of meds, the tonsils were removed.... 

Interesting point to add:  they can't prove it, but they think that the

Staph literally 'ate' my adenoids....





Good luck -- and don't be afraid to ask for another consult.  Those persons

in white lab coats are human doctors.  They're not immortal.



-- 

my comments are entirely my own and are completely disowned by my employer.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: son's chronic tonsilitis

From: Randy & Lori Alliani <alliani@flash.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 22:32:11 -0600

--------

Deana Stom wrote:

> 

> Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in article

> <5epi7n$2t6@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>...

> > Elizabeth Gulley <jg1@chrh.org> wrote:

> >

> > >Can anyone tell me of any treatments for chronic tonsilitis? My little

> boy

> > >age 7, is always having a sore throat with swollen glands in his neck.

> He

> > >has been to the pediatrician frequently for this condition and it only

> > >been diagnosed as strep a few times.  He is just always having a sore

> > >throat, especially when the weather changes.  Can anyone help?



The only thing that helped my little sister was to have her tonsils and

adenoids removed (and tubes put in her ears, but I think your son is too

old for that, and that was for the ear infections).  She had alergies so

bad that she was constantly on antibiotics of some sort.  Since the

surgery, my father can't even tell if she's breathing at night because

she's so quiet.  It may be a last resort move, but it worked very well

in this case!

	Good luck!

	Lori







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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: John Connor <jconnor@pop.ipa.net>

Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 20:51:40 -0600

--------

I have just found out I am pregnant and have some questions about herbal

teas.  If you have any information, I would appreciate it.



(1)  I have read that it is ok to drink ginger tea for nausea and also

have read not to use ginger during pregnancy.

(2)  Not to use peppermint tea during the first trimester, but ok after

that.  Would spearmint be ok in place of peppermint the first trimester?

(3)  Can I still dring echinacea tea a couple of times a week at least

to finish the winter months?



Thanks for your help.



Pam

also posted on folklore.herbs





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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: Traveler <scottkel@webmart.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:18:29 -0600

--------

John Connor wrote:

> 

> I have just found out I am pregnant and have some questions about herbal

> teas.  If you have any information, I would appreciate it.



Congratulations!!



> (1)  I have read that it is ok to drink ginger tea for nausea and also

> have read not to use ginger during pregnancy.



I used ginger cookies and ginger tea for nausea with my last pregnancy

and it worked great! I know lots of women who have used ginger for

nausea during pregnancy with no ill effects. I've never seen anything

that said it wasn't ok...wondering where you read this.



> (2)  Not to use peppermint tea during the first trimester, but ok after

> that.  Would spearmint be ok in place of peppermint the first trimester?



A pregnancy tea I used has spearmint in it, it is safe to use all

through pregnancy. 



> (3)  Can I still dring echinacea tea a couple of times a week at least

> to finish the winter months?



I don't see why not, but I'd keep it at only a couple times a week.

> 

> Thanks for your help.



Good luck to you and yours! I've got 4 healthy boys and only began using

herbs during my last pregnancy....healthiest one of the bunch! He's 9

months old and has only had one very mild cold so far. 



Kel Benton





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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: eyecare@west.nest (Larry Bickford)

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:28:57 -0800

--------

In article <331124A5.529B@webmart.net>, Traveler <scottkel@webmart.net> wrote:



> > (3)  Can I still dring echinacea tea a couple of times a week at least

> > to finish the winter months?

> 

> I don't see why not, but I'd keep it at only a couple times a week.

> > 



Last I heard, echinacea (and even moreso, goldenseal) were considered

no-nos during pregnancy and lactation. I have not, meanwhile, seen and

definative studies on this. Clearly, it is has not been shown to be safe.

But has anyone proven it to be a problem?



The comment: "keep it at only a couple of times a week" doesn't make

sense. Either it's bad or it's not.



If anyone has any real data, I'd love to see it!



Larry

------------



Larry Bickford, OD

Adult and Pediatric Vision Care

Contact Lenses



The EyeCare Connection

<http://www.west.net/~eyecare>

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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: ford@unix.infoserve.net (Kathryn Ford)

Date: 25 Feb 1997 14:57:48 GMT

--------

John Connor (jconnor@pop.ipa.net) wrote:

: I have just found out I am pregnant and have some questions about herbal

: teas.  If you have any information, I would appreciate it.



: (3)  Can I still dring echinacea tea a couple of times a week at least

: to finish the winter months?



My understanding (and personal use) of echinacea is that you should NOT 

be taking it over the long haul, pregnant or not.  It is a specific which 

should be used to ward off a cold/flu etc.  Everything I ever read 

indicates that the longest you should take this herb is two weeks.  I 

usually start to take it (in capsule form) at the first glimmer of 

sickness and desist after a week.



cheers

Kathy



--

ford@infoserve.net



          never trust a man in a blue trenchcoat

      never drive a car when you're dead

                                - Tom Waits

                                 





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To: Kathryn Ford <ford@unix.infoserve.net>

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: "Kevin Pezzi, M.D." <kpezzi@freeway.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:02:37 -0800

--------

I agree with Kathy.  With prolonged use of echinacea, beneficial effects

cease.  While I believe in the benefits offered by some herbs, I think

it's wise to avoid them during pregnancy, since their fetal effects are

often unknown.

-- 

Kevin Pezzi, M.D.

Author of Fascinating Health Secrets

Excerpted at http://www.transcope.com





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To: jconnor@pop.ipa.net

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and Herbs

From: Amber Needham <amber@gate.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:02:45 -0800

--------

John Connor wrote:

> 

> I have just found out I am pregnant and have some questions about herbal

> teas.  If you have any information, I would appreciate it.

> 

> (1)  I have read that it is ok to drink ginger tea for nausea and also

> have read not to use ginger during pregnancy.

> (2)  Not to use peppermint tea during the first trimester, but ok after

> that.  Would spearmint be ok in place of peppermint the first trimester?

> (3)  Can I still dring echinacea tea a couple of times a week at least

> to finish the winter months?

> 

> Thanks for your help.

> 

> Pam

> also posted on folklore.herbs





Dear Pam, 



With my last four children I have used echinacea, with my last I used it

in very small amounts in an herbal formula called Herbal Mix from Life

Extension Foundation. I used this about 4-5 times per week in a health

drink I made.  The syudies on echinacea do not show it to be mutagenic

or to have teratrogenic effects.



Have a Healthy Baby,



Amber





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ENTHEOGEN newspaper

From: cheezease@aol.com (CheezEase)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 05:48:37 GMT

--------

Welcome Entheogen friends,

        A friend and I are starting up a new Entheogen newsletter.  We

both have a well-educated background and deep interest in plant teachers

and man made psychedelics.  

OUR GOAL: To create a newspaper for and about new ideas of entheogens, new

techniques for extractions, and the most insightful discussions of true

experiences.  To offer an inexpensive outlet for reliable entheogen-based

information.

OUR REQUEST TO YOU: We are in need of true experience submissions, and

almost anthing else pertinent to entheogens.  Keep in mind, that we mainly

want NEW ideas and experiences.  Please do not send stories about "smoking

a lot of bud".  We are in search of ideas about, mainly, non-street drugs.

 Especially interested in Salvia divinorum, DMT, Salvinorin-A, 2-CB (you

get the picture, right?)  Any philosophical insights from experiences are

welcomed, even if the substance isn't the main subject.

All submissions are taken anonymously, and no replies will be made.  No

prices are paid for submissions, as they are printed in order to inform

other entheogen lovers only, and for a non-profit venture.  Any/all

submissions become property of the newsletter owners, even if they are not

printed instantly.

WHY WE ARE DOING THIS:  To inform people interested in entheogens, all

around the world, about new uses, new substances, and new ideas.  Help to

spread the word about plant teachers world-wide...promote understanding.



Please respond to this, to either me (CheezEase@aol.com) or my west coast

counterpart (Gypsyfem1@aol.com).  In the subject line, please write

"ENTHEOGEN newspaper".  Thanks for your time.

-Rev. MeO





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Am. Ginseng as anti-depressant.

From: cheezease@aol.com (CheezEase)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 06:09:03 GMT

--------

Is American Ginseng proven to be an anti-depressant?

I am asking, because I just started taking it and feel wonderful.

I have been chewing enough ginseng (at each time) to consume 20mg. of

ginsenosides. 

The first day, I used it some 5-6 times.

The next day I didn't use any. 

Today (day 3) I used it twice.

I feel great, it is as if my body is finally metabolising right and at a

point of perfect homeostasis.

I have heard that chronic use of ginseng (American) can cause toxins to

build up in the liver, but is that the only side effect?

Also, can anyone tell me what other positive effects American Ginseng has

on the body and mind?

thanks much folks, 

-Rev. MeO





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Subject: Introduction to Ganoderma #13

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 07:31:03 -0600

--------

Introduction to Ganoderma #13



10. Ganoderma may effect a 100% cure for renal

diseases.



     Kidney diseases are also among the most difficult diseases

     to cure. They include acute or chronic nephritis, diabetic

     renal syndrome, nephrosis and rheumatic fever. These

     may be due in part to high cholesterol count and high

     blood sugar level. So, kidney is overloaded and blood

     cannot reach renal capillaries. As a result, nephrosis

     occurs, with edema, urine retention, fatigue and possibly

     serious uremia. Prof. Fumio Tsurudani at the Medical

     Institute of Nagoya University, Japan did an experiment

     with patients suffering from renal disease, in order to

     check the effectiveness of Ganoderma. It was found that

     Ganoderma not only could lower proteinuria and

     cholesterolemia, but could maintain proper renal function.

     Based on our experimental results, renal disease can be

     cured 100% by taking Ganoderma. What a surprising

     achievement it is!

--

1ST HERBS

The leading brand in Taiwan in Chinese herbs field.

http://www.ttn.com.tw/~backman/



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Subject: Introduction to Ganoderma #14

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 07:31:09 -0600

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Introduction to Ganoderma #14



11. Diabetes is no more a terrible disease.



     It is said that once you have diabetes, you will be tangled

     with it for the rest of all your life. However, we cured a

     number of such cases with Ganoderma.



     It is known that insufficient insulin secretion is the cause

     of diabetes, and this results in some serious complication.

     Now, Western physicians use insulin injection as the only

     treatment. Though insulin is able to lower blood sugar

     level, the symptoms recur very soon. Further, it is just like

     a cortisone hormone injection, there are many side

     effects. Insulin is unable to recover pancreas function,

     and it speeds up the aging of the organ. The Medical

     Research Institute of Kinki University found in its many

     years' experiment that Ganoderma has the same function

     as insulin. Accordingly, after taking Ganoderma, not only

     can insulin deficiency be supplemented, but it can make

     the pancreas regain its original function. In addition, it

     does not have any side effects like injections do.

--

1ST HERBS

The leading brand in Taiwan in Chinese herbs field.

http://www.ttn.com.tw/~backman/



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Subject: Impotence in Chinese Medicine.

From: backman@mail.ttn.com.tw

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 08:21:03 -0600

--------

Impotence in Chinese Medicine. Impotence means cannot be

erected during sexual activities. According to the documents

of Chinese Traditional Medicine, several causes of the

impotence:



1.Indulging in sexual activities, then losing the energy of life

rapidly: The patients look pale, feel dizzy and malaise with

weak and slow heartbeat, white tongue.



2.Depression: Depression disturbed the regularity of the body,

reduced the nomal functions of the mind and digestive organs,

and then retarded the absorbing nutritions, finally, exhausted

the energy of life.



3."Wet heat" sank in the lower part of the body and then

caused a flabby flesh: "Wet heat" is a inner heat, formed by

the irregular meal. The symptoms of "Wet heat" are diarrhea,

yellow to red urine, yellow and wet fur of the tongue, the

patients feel pains in the joints, they are usually in poor

appetite.



Chinese herbalists usually give the patients some herbs which

can warm up and nourish the lower part of the body, such

like: Morindae Radix, Foeniculi Fructus, Rehmanniae Radix

et Rhizoma, Lycii Fructus, Eucommiae Cortex, Achyranthis

Radix, Hoelen, Dioscoreae Rhizoma, Corin Fructus,

Schizandrae Fructus, Polygaae Radix, Acori Graminei

Rhizoma......



Their adivces: 1.Continence in sexual activities. 2.Improve

the habits of living and meals. 3.Take some exercises

outdoors. 4.Massage your body often. 5.Acupunture is also

good for you.

--

1ST HERBS

The leading brand in Taiwan in Chinese herbs field.

http://www.ttn.com.tw/~backman/



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Subject: Ganoderma-One big ad?

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 14:33:43 GMT

--------

I was interested at first, but has this turned into just one big ad?  Has

anyone on the ng tried it or had personal experience with it?  Is this

just an extensive ad or am I overreacting?

T.





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Subject: Re: Ganoderma-One big ad?

From: Jerry Haugen <mycowrld@cdsnet.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 18:24:09 -0800

--------

TRAITEUSSE wrote:

> 

> I was interested at first, but has this turned into just one big ad?  Has

> anyone on the ng tried it or had personal experience with it?  Is this

> just an extensive ad or am I overreacting?

> T.



Actually this "Introduction to Ganoderma #99" thread is obviously a big

ad.  There are some studies that support various medicinal uses.  Our

March issue will have an article outlining applications in

anti-inflamation, anti-tooth decay and wound healing. The article

includes 12 references ranging from Hamlyn and Schmidt in Mycologist Vol

8 No 4 (November 94) to Stavinoha, Satsangi and Weintraub in "Recent

Advances in  Ganoderma lucidum Research - 1995".  You should be able to

find references to it as reishi or Ling Zhi in various herbal type

books.  

-Jerry-

-- 

Jerry Haugen

The Mushroom Growers' Newsletter

P.O. Box 5065

Klamath Falls, OR 97601

USA

MycoWrld@cdsnet.net

http://www.cdsnet.net/Business/mushroom/





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Subject: Re: Ganoderma-One big ad?

From: netstuff@ix.netcom.com (Space Cowboy)

Date: 24 Feb 1997 15:24:57 GMT

--------

One day mycowrld@cdsnet.net pondered then posted ...

  You should be able to

>find references to it as reishi or Ling Zhi in various herbal type

>books.  

>-Jerry-



Reishi is Japanese term.  Ling Zhi is Chinese term.  JoungJi is Korean

term.  



-- 

---

Jim







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Subject: Re: Ganoderma-One big ad?

From: netstuff@ix.netcom.com (Space Cowboy)

Date: 26 Feb 1997 13:04:52 GMT

--------

One day netstuff@ix.netcom.com pondered then posted ...



>Reishi is Japanese term.  Ling Zhi is Chinese term.  JoungJi is Korean

>term.  



Sorry, for the typo it should be YoungJi.



---

Jim







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: "Hidden" Ginger

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 14:49:15 GMT

--------

I have come into the possession of a half bushel of "Hidden" Ginger roots.

 It is a gorgeous plant, a lovely variety of Ginger, and I intend to plant

them in my daughter's garden and mine.  

Does anyone out there know of medicinal uses for this variety?

Does anyone have any historical information on it?

T.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Insomnia

From: btopp@netcom.ca (V. Topp)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 15:29:57 GMT

--------

I've tried valerian root pills with success for insomnia.  I would like to try 

some other herbs (so I don't get hooked on any one herb).  Any suggestions?  I 

recently bought a tincture of passionflower and scullcap (also contains 

dogwood, motherwort, German chamomile and Roman chamomile) but so far it has 

not helped.  I take 15 drops in 1/4 oz water six times a day.  I'm hoping it 

didn't work because I was getting the flu (that usually throws my sleep off 

anyway).



Any ideas/comments?  Please e-mail.



Thanks!



Vickie







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Insomnia

From: arthame@aol.com (Arthame)

Date: 24 Feb 1997 00:14:48 GMT

--------

I use a tea of valerian, mugwort, skullcap, kava kava, and while willow to

help me with my insomnia (a side effect of a SSRI I am taking called

Paxil).



I believe that teas work better than tintures.



Arth





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To: "V. Topp" <btopp@netcom.ca>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Insomnia

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:55:25 -0500

--------

V. Topp wrote:

> 

> I've tried valerian root pills with success for insomnia.  I would like to try

> some other herbs (so I don't get hooked on any one herb).  Any suggestions?  I

> recently bought a tincture of passionflower and scullcap (also contains

> dogwood, motherwort, German chamomile and Roman chamomile) but so far it has

> not helped.  I take 15 drops in 1/4 oz water six times a day.  I'm hoping it

> didn't work because I was getting the flu (that usually throws my sleep off

> anyway).

> 

> Any ideas/comments?  Please e-mail.

> 

> Thanks!

> 

> Vickie



I have had succes with a combination of Mugwort, Chamomile and Hops.

Susan





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Saw palmetto and acne

From: nicki@atcon.com

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:53:56 GMT

--------



Does anyone have any succesful experiences with this herb afetr all

else has failed.  Thanks.



Nick









nicki@atcon.com wrote:



>Hi,



>I recently saw in a newsgroup a herb called saw palmetto which

>inhibits the conversion of testosterone to DHT (dihydrotestosterone;

>sp?) which is claimed to be the hormone that causes acne to form.

>First I would like to know if anyone out there agrees with this and

>secondly, what are the effects and side effects of this herb.  Thanks

>in advance.



>Nick











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Subject: PAGAN COMMUNITY CENTER http://www.cyberhighway.net/~ghawk/

From: ghawk@cyberhighway.net (ghawk)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 19:16:24 GMT

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Subject: Vitex & Ovulation

From: ford@unix.infoserve.net (Kathryn Ford)

Date: 23 Feb 1997 20:03:45 GMT

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I have decided (at the age of 42) to try to "tweak" my reproductive 

system so that I will ovulate a bit more regularly so that I can try to 

become pregnant.  



Yesterday, I bought some herbal capsules called Femtrol, made by 

Enzymatic Therapy (a Wisconsin company).  They have the following 

ingredients:



250 mg dong quai extract

50  mg kicorice root extract (standardized to contain 5% glycyrrhetinic acid)

50  mg chaste berry (vitex) extract

50  mg black cohosh

50  mg false unicorn

25  mg fennel seed



(they also contain 100 mg vitamin C and 200 mg of something called 

"hesperidin complex")



Here are my questions:



1.  Should the above formula be effective for encouraging ovulation?



2.  According to Rosemary Gladstar, in Healing Herbs for Women, vitex 

SUPPRESSES production of Follicle Stimulating Hormone.  Elswhere in her 

book, she lists three fertility tonics, two of which contain vitex.  I 

don't understand how something which apparently would prevent stimulation 

of follicles would appear in a fertility tonic...wouldn't you want to 

increase stimulation????



3.  I read somewhere that I should only take a fertility product for the 

first 14 days of my menstrual cycle and then discontinue.  Any thoughts?



4.  What is "hesperidin complex"???



Many thanks in advance for any helpful replies, here or by email.



Kathy

--

ford@infoserve.net



          never trust a man in a blue trenchcoat

      never drive a car when you're dead

                                - Tom Waits

                                 





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Subject: Re: Vitex & Ovulation

From: dlawson@agt.net (Dawn Lawson)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:44:44

--------

In article <5eq7r1$ii8@news.infoserve.net> ford@unix.infoserve.net (Kathryn Ford) writes:







>2.  According to Rosemary Gladstar, in Healing Herbs for Women, vitex 

>SUPPRESSES production of Follicle Stimulating Hormone.  Elswhere in her 

>book, she lists three fertility tonics, two of which contain vitex.  I 

>don't understand how something which apparently would prevent stimulation 

>of follicles would appear in a fertility tonic...wouldn't you want to 

>increase stimulation????



In menopausal women, FSH can be consistantly too high.  Studies done in 

Germany show that vitex increases progesterone levels by increasing the 

production of lutenizing hormone from the pituitary.  It can slightly suppress 

FSH.  If you have luteal phase deficiency, vitex is proven to work well, by 

indreasing the amount of progesterone and lengthening the second half of the 

cycle, with the increase of LH.



>3.  I read somewhere that I should only take a fertility 

product for the >first 14 days of my menstrual cycle and then discontinue.  

Any thoughts?



You should take ovary stimulating products before you ovulate, and 

progesterone enhancing products after, since that is how your body works.  

14 days is the mythical date of ovulation, but few woman have perfect 

cycles.  Chart your bbt to find out when you ovulate.



You can email me for some interesting website address I have found, and to 

talk more if you want.

Dawn







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Breathe Free Naturally

From: "Neil & Bonnie Jacobsen" <cableplus@msn.com>

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 12:52:06 -0800

--------

Article in "Delicious" your magazine of natural living pg66

February issue 1997

herbs to benefit those with lung or respiratory ailments such as bronchitis

or asthma.

>Astralgalus	

>Echinacea

>Garlic

>Goldenseal

>Osha

>Pleurisy Root(Butterfly Weed)

>Usnea

>Wild Cherry Bark

-- 

Neil & Bonnie Jacobsen  cableplus@msn.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: borage

From: Shannon Joy <joys@soonet.ca>

Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 20:12:11 -0500

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i would be interested in getting any info on medicinal usage.





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Subject: Re: borage

From: Elaine Parry <Elaine@parrys.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:29:27 +0000

--------

In article <3310EAEB.1A86@soonet.ca>, Shannon Joy <joys@soonet.ca>

writes

>i would be interested in getting any info on medicinal usage.

Borage is good for lifting mild depression after illness and for

reducing fever.A hot poultice of fresh crushed borage leaves will

relieve the pain of gout and inflamed swellings.Borage lotion is good

for spots. Be warned if you plan to grow it, it can take over and self

seeds. The best use for borage I've found is the fresh flowers in a

Pimms can't beat it on a hot summer day!!!!

-- 

Elaine Parry





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: hair loss ????

From: wilson@cais2.cais.com (Mark and Kathy Wilson)

Date: 24 Feb 1997 15:23:08 GMT

--------

what can a 40 year old woman do for hair loss? I have No idea why this is

happening, any suggestions--vitamins, minerals,herbal what do I do?



kathy



--

------------------------------------------------

Name:      Kathy K. Wilson 

Internet:  wilson@cais.com

--

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Subject: Re: hair loss ????

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 20:23:54 GMT

--------

On 24 Feb 1997 15:23:08 GMT, wilson@cais2.cais.com (Mark and Kathy Wilson) wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>what can a 40 year old woman do for hair loss? I have No idea why this is

>happening, any suggestions--vitamins, minerals,herbal what do I do?



First let your MD check you for hypothyroidism. 

After that's ruled out consider herbs; but any which way you go you need a

diagnosis first.

 

Henriette                                                 posted and emailed

--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: hair loss ????

From: psilver@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Pat Silver")

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 23:15:20 GMT

--------

> what can a 40 year old woman do for hair loss? I have No idea why this 

> is happening, any suggestions--vitamins, minerals,herbal what do I do?

> kathy



Vitamin B complex.  My hair fell out dramatically, around a third of my 

hair went in a year or so.  When I started taking a vit B complex - not a 

mega dose preparation, most of the vitamins are supplied at around 100% 

of daily requirement - it stopped falling out within a week and is now 

thickening up quite noticeably.



PatS





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: hair loss ????

From: Vicki Kay Russell <vrussell@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 02:57:36 GMT

--------

In article <E64r9L.C0o@cix.compulink.co.uk>,

	psilver@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Pat Silver") wrote:

>> what can a 40 year old woman do for hair loss? I have No idea why this 

>> is happening, any suggestions--vitamins, minerals,herbal what do I do?

>> kathy



You probably should see your physican first as I know that stress can dramatically influence hair loss.   

Vicki Kay









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Subject: Re: hair loss ????

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard Renaud)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:52:12 GMT

--------

wilson@cais2.cais.com (Mark and Kathy Wilson) wrote:



>what can a 40 year old woman do for hair loss? I have No idea why this is

>happening, any suggestions--vitamins, minerals,herbal what do I do?



>kathy



Hi Kathy,



If the hair loss is the only symptom that you have you can try the Chinese herb He Shou Wu

(Polygonum Multiflorum) also known as Fo-Ti in U.S. In traditional Chinese medicine hair

loss is generaly related with kidney deficiency. He Shou Wu is a tonic for liver and

kidney Yin, this herb is sold in pill form as Shou Wou Pian (dosage 5 tablets 3 times

daily). Another Chinese formula to try is Alopecia Areata Pills (dosage 4-6 pills 3 times

daily).



If you have other symptoms like night sweating, insomnia, hot flashing, burning sensation

over the kidney then try the Chinese herbs formula Da Bu Yin Wan (dosage 4-5 pills 3 times

daily).



These herbs are available in Chinese herbs stores.



I hope this helps,



Richard







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Subject: Re: Help! Sleeping Problems!

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:04:49 -0600

--------







> Karen Cook wrote:

> > 

> > Thanks all of you for the great information on Echinacea and Goldenseal.

> > You have all been very helpful.  Now I have another problem that can

> > potentially end my marriage and so I need help right away.

> > 

> > I usually need to get up every morning between 4:00 and 5:00 to go to

> > the bathroom.  Once I get back into bed, I can't get back to sleep

> > because my husband snores very loudly.  Because of this I usually have

> > to go to the other bedroom so that I can finish getting my sleep.  I

> > am always tired because I don't feel that I am getting a full nights

> > rest and the sofa-bed is NOT comfortable.  Can anyone suggest something

> > that

> > I might try to help me sleep through the night or something that my

> > husband might try for his snoring?  I appreciate any advice that can be

> > offered.

> > 

> > Thanks.

> > -Karen





To which Steve replied:  

> Have you tried Breathe Right nasal strips for him?

> 

> 



You might also try melatonin - you didn't say how old you are (and I 

missed the original post) but at about 40 your body quits making 

melatonin and the tablets can really help. I take 1.5 mg (1/2 tablet) and 

sleep like a baby. 



Also, I was getting up every night at about the same time - before I had 

my hysterectomy - not recommending the operation, but it might be a good 

idea to check with your Gynnie to see if maybe there is some problem 

there - and enlarged uterus can put pressure on your bladder making the 

need to urinate more frequent.



I would also recommend the breath-right strips for you husband. They have 

worked well for a number of friends. 



Cissy





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dibetes Info

From: Jerry Bell <jerrbell@NMSU.Edu>

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:18:01 -0700

--------

What herbs are used/effective in the treatment and maintenance of dibetes.







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Subject: Re: Dibetes Info

From: Laura <LLBear@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:19:24 -0800

--------

For Type II Diabetes:

Things we have successfully tried.....chia seeds; mucilaginous coating

helps to "soak up" excess sugar in your bloodstream. If your liver is

constantly overproducing sugar; a liver booster such as sage tea(the

sage that Native Americans use and is sold at some pow wows) helps to

calm and regenerate the liver. This was the final herb we used to lower

that last little bit of high sugar after three months of a careful

dietary and exercise regimen. There are several herbs listed in the

pharmacopeia of the Native Seeds/SEARCH organization in Tucson. Also

lots of dietary info, including medical abstracts. Eliminating caffeine

and "sugarfree" gum, etc. helps. Caffeine stimulates the adrenals

causing your liver to flood your body with sugars. Sugarfree gum

contains sugar alcohols, raising your Bg faster than granulated sugar. I

suggest avoiding the herbs that are diuretics. It seems that when you

don't have plenty of fluids you would be further concentrating the

sugars in your system. We have not found them effective in our family.

One diuretic that is used here in the Midwest is Bearberry. Some people

here use this but I don't see a positive effect. Try and contact the

group I mentioned in Tucson. Good Luck! We have several "healthy

diabetics" off all meds thanks to them and others.

Laura





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Subject: Survey participants needed for UofT study of Chinese Medicine in Toronto area

From: raymond.tsang@utoronto.ca (Ray Tsang)

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:34:28 GMT

--------

Hi,

        I am a second year medical student at the University of Toronto and I am

currently conducting an Internet survey as part of a community health course.

The project that I am working on focuses on the use of Alternative Medicine, in

particular the Traditional Chinese Medicines (TCM) and how the public of the

Greater Toronto Area can access and use this type of treatment for illnesses

that cannot be cured by Western Medicines or to prevent diseases.  As a result

of this survey, I will be creating a university sponsored website that will

provide the public with information regarding the various types of TCM available

in Toronto as well as how one can search for a reputable practitioner.

        This is a chance for the public to voice their opinions on about Chinese

Medicines.  Please note that all information from survey participants will be

kept confidential and only the summarized results will be presented to a panel

of university approved members.  Data that is deemed significant may qualify for

publication in a research journal.

        ** If you are interested in participating in this short survey (requires

10-15 mins to fill out), please email me at the following address

(raymond.tsang@utoronto.ca) and I will email you a copy of my survey to fill out

online.  As well, copies of the survey can be sent by snail mail to your address

(I will pay for all the postages too).

        Your participation in this project will be greatly appreciated, thank

you.



Sincerely, 



Raymond Tsang, MSc (Physiology)

Medical Student, Year II

University of Toronto

Email: raymond.tsang@utoronto.ca







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Subject: ?CLEANSE?

From: Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:08:47 -0800

--------

I am brand new to the group.  Briefly, the reason I am here is because I 

have given up smoking (1 pack/day) after 20 years.  Realizing that herbs 

cannot provide a "miracle cure-all", and that I cannot "undo" the damage 

I've done to my skin, lungs, and body over the last 20 years, I am 

however, interested in seeking advice from some of you on natural 

techniques for "cleansing" the body, in an attempt to improve the 

quality of my skin.  I am only 34, and thank goodness, I believe that I 

haven't done an enormous amount of damage to my lungs.  Fortunately, I 

have continued to exercise and stay in pretty good shape (lots of good 

wind!) in spite of it all since high school, where I was quite athletic. 

However, my face is showing 20 years of nicotine and sun abuse, and 

despite the regrets I  have about that, I am now looking to improve the 

quality of my facial skin through, hopefully, the use of herbs, a good 

diet, and giving up the cigarettes.  I'd like to "clean it up!".    



What about herbal teas?  Good for cleansing?  I recently purchased an 

all natural tea by "Stash"?  It is a de-caf containing hibiscus, 

rosehips, orange peel, lemongrass, rosebuds, licorice and raspberry.  Am 

I on the right track?  I also tried sprinkling some fresh-cut English 

mint in it, and shredded lemon peel.  Cool?



Would love to hear from all of you!  I am on vaca today (work for a 

doctor who is off today) and have the time to sit and visit for a day.



Thanks, and all of your positive advice and comments are always 

welcomed!  Thanks!  :)



Cindi





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: does anyone have any text file on the subject of herbs

From: dogpatch@bellsouth.net

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:54:27 +0000

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I'm looking for text file on the subject of herbs and

antural healing , can anyone help ?



Thanks



Charles





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Subject: Kananga/ Cananga

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 19:04:28 -0800

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In traditional hoodoo herb-magic, there is a purifying wash called

Kananga Water. I have also read on an aromatherapy page about the

essential oil of a plant called Cananga odorata, said to have a "floral"

scent. Can anyone tell me more about Cananga odorata -- what family is

it in? Where is it native? Has anyone a source in the US for the

essential oil? 



Thanks.



catherine yronwode

The Lucky Mojo Curio Co.                     

http://www.luckymojo.com





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Subject: Ginkgo

From: Schneider <roberts@sonic.net>

Date: 25 Feb 1997 03:21:24 GMT

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Is there any problem with using ginkgo with other herbs like Silymarin 

and Saw Palmetto; or with the antiseizure drug Dilantin?  Thanks, R. 

Schneider









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Subject: Pregnancy

From: Robin DaVee <daveeent@iquest.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 20:58:53 -0800

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I have a hormone deficiancy and was wondering if anyone could tell me of 

a natural way to treat this.  I have had four pregnancies, 2 

miscarriages, one still birth and seven years later a healthy child who 

is now six and we are still trying to conceive.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.





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Subject: AM I MAXING OUT ON VALERIAN?

From: dw@sover.net (Duane)

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 07:28:53 GMT

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Hi gang,

my girl friend is currently taking at times,  1500 mg of Valerian

root, in tablet form , for a sleeping aid.   Is it possible that she

is takeing to much?



Your Responses GREATLY appreciated.

Best ,

Duane

DW@sover.net







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Subject: Re: AM I MAXING OUT ON VALERIAN?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 25 Feb 1997 06:37:02 -0700

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dw@sover.net (Duane) wrote:



>Hi gang,

>my girl friend is currently taking at times,  1500 mg of Valerian

>root, in tablet form , for a sleeping aid.   Is it possible that she

>is takeing to much?



Valerian should not be used steadily ... it cause depression,

hysteria and various physical symptoms. 

1500 mg (3 capsules) occasionally is not a problem.  1500 mg a

night for several weeks is a problem, and she'd probably feel

like roadkill!

Callie



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To: Duane <dw@sover.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: AM I MAXING OUT ON VALERIAN?

From: Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu>

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:18:20 -0500

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	As long as the use of 1500mg of valerian as a sleep aid is done

only occasionally, it should not be a problem at all.  Used on a regular

basis, this amount could be addictive and cause problems, but its

occasional use is fine.  I do the same thing--every once in a while I take

about 1500mg of valerian to help clear my mind and promote sleep after a

particularly stressful day.  I don't think there is anything quite as safe

and effective.







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Subject: Animal CLONING MUST STOP, not deflected by speculation re:humans

From: joereidomd@leonardo.net

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:38:41 -0800

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******

Support for modern biomedical research with dollars and respect has led to this:

It is a sad day for humanity.

People with conscience and discriminating mind must realize this atrocity

that has just been committed in the name of science, vis a vis

 - Cloning of an adult sheep (eight identical clones were reported).



NOWHERE in media coverage and observation has there been any mention of

respect for animal species and natural dignity.  Broad reaction has focused

almost exclusively on the purely speculative possibility that at some point

in the future this could be within the realm of possibility for creating

human life from a mere strand of DNA.



There is in fact no immediate possiblity of this procedure being replicated

in humans.  More significantly, as reported in the Los Angeles Times and

others, _OVER 300 TRIES_ were necessary before achieving the animals, and

the less than successful consequences included deformed creatures.( the

ones that didn't make it on TV )



It is precisely the plan and wish of those who would like to manufacture

batches of animals to specifications - ( largely at first for biomedical

disease induction, drugging and mutilation, then to produce organs for

humans (talk about corrupting life) )  - that the public be sidetracked by

the threat of bizarre and morally reprehensible experiments with the goal

of producing humans.



It is just as WRONG to do this to SHEEP or ANY animal.  There is absolutely

no reason to suppose that catastrophic results will not result from such

blatant misuse of the natural world.  Far less obvious crimes against the

world have backfired, a random sampling of which could include mutant

germs, handicapped lineages, poisoned water, viral outbreaks across species

and habitat, etc.



Sorry to bore you with morality.  This IS a medical issue and it will only

proceed if the public fails to uphold integrity, but instead docily accepts

and tolerates animal misuse in exchange for lame promises from legislators

that indecent crimes will not be perpetuated directly against humans.  

- They already have.



Anti-vivisection protestors always seemed extremist to me in inflicting

emotionally jarring shock-news with the purpose of spoiling my nice day.

I now regret that my apathy has contributed to this dreadful _breakthrough_.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

Spread the outcry.

And next time you seek a scientific study to determine what is best for

your health or anything else, remember that there are ways of learnng and

knowing that do not degrade the world in self-centered quest for greed and

power, 

and science has failed us again.



Joe Reid, O.M.D.



This post may be reprinted as long as it remains intact in entirety as above.

******





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: barleygrass

From: gktay@alpha.ntu.ac.sg

Date: 25 Feb 97 16:42:00 +0800

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pls help would like to know about barleygrass

thanks











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Subject: Kava Kava

From: "Willman Lee" <wlee@peritas.com>

Date: 25 Feb 1997 09:36:15 GMT

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Does anyone know where to get this Kava Kava in a tea form in the UK? I've

seen many references to the tea, but in the local health food shops I've

only seen pills (which I don't really believe in). 



If anyone knows how to obtain the tea and other herbs though a good mail

order/internet supplier please also reply in this post.



Thanks in advance!

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Subject: Parasite Info: Antique

From: earthling2@bigfoot.com

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:19:15 GMT

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From Vol. 08, page 95 of the Chambers Cyclopedia set, year 1888,

Universal knowledge for the people.  

earthling2@bigfoot.com

Historical Information Only, No liability or warranty, express or

implied, is assumed by the author or any distributor of this antique

book re-print. Anyone can distribute this book freely any way they

want, as long as all this information contained in this book remains

like it is now (no changes, additions, or deletions). The graphics

have been ommited.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

VE'RMIFUGES, VE'RMICIDES, or ANTHELMINTICS



These are remedies which possess the property of destroying

intestional worms, or of expelling them from the intestional canal.

The only worms whose presence in the intestional canal is so common,

that the remidies for their destruction and expulsion require special

notice, are the two varieties of tapeworm known as (Taenia solium) and

(Taenia mediocanellata), or the hooked and the hookless Tapeworm

(q.v.) the (Ascaris lumbricoides), or large round worm, and the

(Ascaris) or (oxyuris vermicularis), or (small threadworm). A few of

this class of medicines are said to be useful in destroying all these

kinds of worms - viz., the tapeworms, the round worms, and the

threadworms. In this category, we may place (Absinthium) or

(wormwood), whose effects are doubtful; (Sabadilla), or (Cevadilla);

(Santinica), or (worm-seed), and its active principle, (Santonin)

(q.v.). As in our notices of the different human entozoa, we have

referred to this for the appropriate treatment of each, we will

commence, in consequence of its greater importance, with the remidies

that have been recommended in tapeworm, ranging them according to the

repute in which they stand. (1.) The root of the male shield-fern

(Aspidium filix mas), of which the best preparation is the 'Liquid

extract of Fernroot' of the (Pharm. Br.). It may be taken in the

morning before breakfast, in doses of a scruple, in the form of an

emulsion with yelk of egg, syrup of orange-peel, and water; and if the

worm does not come away in six hours, a brisk purgative should be

administered. Generally, however, it is expelled by a single dose, in

the mass, and without pain or much uneasiness. (2.) (Cusso) or

(Kousso), the flowers of (Brayera anthelmintica), in doses of from

half-an-ounce to an ounce of the flowers (infused for a quarter od an

hour in ten ounces of warm water and a little lemon juice), or of four

ounces of the infusion of the (Pharm. Br.), and following in four

hours, if it has not acted, by a dose of castor oil, is a safe and

very sure remedy. (3.) Decoction of the bark of the root of the

Pomegranite tree (Granati radix). (4.) The seeds of the common pumpkin

(Cucurbita pepo). All these medicines should be taken fasting, or

after a light supper on the previous evening.

Formost amongst the remedies for (Ascaris lumbricoides), Dr. Cobbold

places (Santonin) (q.v.); but kamela is also very effacious in doses

from one to two drachms every four hours. Dr. Waring, gives a long

list of remidies employed with success in the East, but unknown in

this country. (Ascaris vermicularis), or the (threadworm), is more

successfully attacked locally in the rectum by injection than

medicines administered in the ordinary method. Amongst the best forms

of enemata are injections of salt and water, with an infusion of

quassia with great advantage. The most annoying symptoms occasioned by

these worms, the intense itching about the lower part of the bowel,

especially in the evening and at night, is best relieved by the

introduction of a little mercurial ointment within the verge of the

anus, when the victim retires to rest.



THE END.





































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Subject: Kudzu and Alcoholism

From: pjnoonan@aol.com (PJ Noonan)

Date: 25 Feb 1997 22:27:29 GMT

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I'm looking for people who have used kudzu to relieve cravings for alcohol

or to treat alcoholism and would be willing to talk about how effective

the herb was for them.  The report would be used in a book about natural

remedies that work, which is currently being written by noted bestselling

health author Jean Carper.  



We are looking for people who might have tried kudzu whether they did this

on their own or were guided by a doctor or other health practitioner.  (If

you're a health practitioner  who knows of people who have used Kudzu for

that purpose, you may be able to put me in touch with those people and

we'd love to hear from you, too.)



If you can help or if you can suggest someplace else we should try, please

contact me as soon as possible at the email address below.  



Thanks VERY much!



==Peggy Noonan

writer & researcher for Jean Carper, best-selling health author

email:  PJNoonan@aol.com 

(if problems with that address, send to 71760.1140@compuserve.com)

fax:  303-238-6036 USA

{NOTE:  I am not the famous speechwriter.]

PJN

email:  PJNoonan@aol.com or 71760.1140@compuserve.com





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Subject: Ginkgo & Memory

From: pjnoonan@aol.com (PJ Noonan)

Date: 25 Feb 1997 22:29:49 GMT

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I'm looking for people who have used Ginkgo to help with their memory

problems and would be willing to talk about how effective the herb was for

them.  The report would be used in a book about natural remedies that

work, which is currently being written by noted bestselling health author

Jean Carper.  



(If you're a health practitioner  who knows of people who have used ginkgo

for that purpose, you may be able to put me in touch with those people and

we'd love to hear from you, too.)



If you can help or if you can suggest someplace else we should try, please

contact me as soon as possible at the email address below.  



Thanks VERY much!



==Peggy Noonan

writer & researcher for Jean Carper, best-selling health author

email:  PJNoonan@aol.com 

(if problems with that address, send to 71760.1140@compuserve.com)

fax:  303-238-6036 USA

{NOTE:  I am not the famous speechwriter.]

PJN

email:  PJNoonan@aol.com or 71760.1140@compuserve.com





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Subject: Have you used Valerian for sleep problems?

From: pjnoonan@aol.com (PJ Noonan)

Date: 25 Feb 1997 22:31:09 GMT

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Have you used Valerian for sleep problems?  If so, I'd like to talk with

you.



I'm looking for people who have used Valerian to help with their sleep

problems and would be willing to talk about how effective the herb was for

them.  The report would be used in a book about natural remedies that

work, which is currently being written by noted bestselling health author

Jean Carper.  



(If you're a health practitioner  who knows of people who have used

valerian for that purpose, you may be able to put me in touch with those

people and we'd love to hear from you, too.)



If you can help or if you can suggest someplace else we should try, please

contact me as soon as possible at the email address below.  



Thanks VERY much!



==Peggy Noonan

writer & researcher for Jean Carper, best-selling health author

email:  PJNoonan@aol.com 

(if problems with that address, send to 71760.1140@compuserve.com)

fax:  303-238-6036 USA

{NOTE:  I am not the famous speechwriter.]

PJN

email:  PJNoonan@aol.com or 71760.1140@compuserve.com





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Subject: Sambucol or Black Elderberry for virus/flu

From: pjnoonan@aol.com (PJ Noonan)

Date: 25 Feb 1997 22:33:55 GMT

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Have you used Sambucol or Black Elderberry for flu or virus symptoms?  If

so, I'd like to talk to you.



I'm looking for people who have used this product especially to treat flu,

but we're open to other uses such as colds, cold sores, and other viral

problems.  If you would be willing to talk about how effective the herb

was for you, we would like to use your story in a book about natural

remedies that work.  The book is currently being written by noted

bestselling health author Jean Carper.  



(If you're a health practitioner  who knows of people who have used

Sambucol or black elderberry for that purpose, you may be able to put me

in touch with those people and we'd love to hear from you, too.)



If you can help or if you can suggest someplace else we should try, please

contact me as soon as possible at the email address below.  



Thanks VERY much!



==Peggy Noonan

writer & researcher for Jean Carper, best-selling health author

email:  PJNoonan@aol.com 

(if problems with that address, send to 71760.1140@compuserve.com)

fax:  303-238-6036 USA

{NOTE:  I am not the famous speechwriter.]

PJN

email:  PJNoonan@aol.com or 71760.1140@compuserve.com





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Subject: ADD IN KIDS, ARE THERE ANY HERBS THAT WORK

From: Allen <skallen@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:28:48 -0800

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HELP! I have a coworker in FL how has a son that is ADD. she 

says that the public school says to put him on Ritalin, she says no way, and 

has come to me for help. 

	anyone have any suggestions????? I will pass them on to her. 

		Thanks, K Allen





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To: Allen <skallen@earthlink.net>, oecs208-01@nmsu.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ADD IN KIDS, ARE THERE ANY HERBS THAT WORK

From: Jerry Bell <jerrbell@nmsu.edu>

Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:04:11 -0700

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Allen,

Use LECITHIN. A vitamin that you can buyin the ds\  store.  My

granddaughter was told to use Ritilan and we said no way.  She is doing

great with LECITHIN.



Good luck trying to beat the system.



On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Allen wrote:



> HELP! I have a coworker in FL how has a son that is ADD. she 

> says that the public school says to put him on Ritalin, she says no way, and 

> has come to me for help. 

> 	anyone have any suggestions????? I will pass them on to her. 

> 		Thanks, K Allen

> 

> 







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Subject: Re: ADD IN KIDS, ARE THERE ANY HERBS THAT WORK

From: joke@address.com (R. Burke and D. Brown)

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:36:15 GMT

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Gaia Herbal Extracts makes a formula called Melissa Supreme.  I've

heard it works pretty well for children with ADD.  They have an

alcohol free formula as well.  It contains fresh lemon balm (Melissa

officinalis), fresh chamomile  flowers (Matricaria chamomilla),  fresh

passionflower (Passiflora incarnata), fresh skullcap herb (Scutellaria

lateriflora), fresh wild oat seed (Avena sativa), fresh gotu kola

(Centella asiatica), mineral salts extracted from kelp, Irish moss,

and other seaweeds.  You have to use it 3 to 4 times a day in a liquid

or taken directly.  You should be able to get it or order it from a

health food store.  



Hope this helps!

Rachael



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Subject: Re: ADD IN KIDS, ARE THERE ANY HERBS THAT WORK

From: donwiss@panix.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:04:39 GMT

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On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:28:48 -0800, Allen <skallen@earthlink.net> wrote:



>HELP! I have a coworker in FL how has a son that is ADD. she 

>says that the public school says to put him on Ritalin, she says no way, and 

>has come to me for help. 



Here's a recent post from another group:



Newsgroup: sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: add/adhd

From: rbhoggan@CBE.AB.CA (Ron Hoggan)

Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 05:48:24 GMT



krisma711@aol.com (Krisma711) asked:



>Any information out there regarding possible foods that should be avoided

>or could cause these symptoms? Foods that should be avoided when taking

>Ritalin?



Those who are familiar with celiac disease, especially in children, would

most likely agree that ADD/ADHD symptoms are commonly demonstrated by those

with this disease. The converse argument is more difficult to make. Dietary

interventions have been used to investigate attention deficits, and the

inconvenience of maintaining such diets has made stimulant therapies far

more attractive. 



That is unfortunate because there is a growing body of evidence that

suggests that opioid peptides derived from gluten and casein may be the

culprits. Equally unfortunately, it can take up to a year for the body to

rid itself of the offending peptides, while following a strict

gluten-free/casein-free diet.



Still, the evidence of specific patterns of EEG abnormalities in celiac

disease (more than 90% of which goes undiagnosed in North America) and

specific patterns of urinary peptides, along with some anecdotal reports of

symptom resolution with the institution of a gluten-free diet, may increase

interest in this area. 



Why were previous investigations unsuccessful in identifying gluten and

casein as exacerbating factors? The trials were much too short, often only

lasting a few weeks. And I have been unable to locate any studies that

excluded both dairy and gluten concurrently.  



Unfortunately, the only references I can offer are in Polish and German.



The Polish one is:

Kozlowska, Z.E. "Results of Investigation on Children with Coeliakia

Treated many Years with Gluthen Free Diet" _Psychiatria Polska_ 1991;

25(2): 130-134.



The German one is:

Paul, et. al. "EEG-befunde Zoeliaki-kranken Kindernin Abhaengigkeit von

der Ernaehrung" _Zeitschrift der Klinische Medizin_ 1985; 40: 707-709



The first indicates that 71% of celiac children, when newly diagnosed,

demonstrate EEG abnormalities. Now please note this caution:

I HAVE NO TRAINING IN THE INTERPRETATION OF EEG READINGS.



Nonetheless, when I compare the author's descriptions of the EEG

abnormalities in celiac children, and the abnormalities in children who

have been diagnosed with ADD or ADHD, there are some startling

similarities.



Paul, et. al. are paraphrased by Reichelt et. al. in "THE EFFECT OF

GLUTEN-FREE DIET ON GLYCOPROTEIN ATTACHED URINARY PEPTIDE EXCRETION"

_Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine_ 1990; 5: 223-239.



They say: "In coeliac children provocation with gluten after diet causes

alarmingly high frequency of EEG changes that persist up to a year (Paul

et al 1985)"



I would urge you to be very careful to avoid contamination in your

child's diet, and I would ask you to consider some alternatives to

stimulant therapy (Ritalin is a brand name of the most commonly used

stimulant.)



The concept of drugging a child to facilitate learning is upsetting to

me, especially when there is cause to suspect that, on the g-f diet, she

may improve without intervention. I have been unable to find any reports

that demonstrate any long-term improvements resulting from stimulant

therapy. Diet seems a much healthier, more humane alternative.  



Best Wishes,

Ron Hoggan   Calgary, Alberta, Canada







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: echinacea remedy

From: animaux@ix.netcom.com(Mark&Victoria)

Date: 26 Feb 1997 01:00:49 GMT

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In <3318164d.631143@news.eunet.fi> HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

writes: 



>Some dark hints to the dangers of herbs here... sigh again.



Henriette, I made no reference to dark dangers of herbs.  I take herbs

exclusively for every ailment.  Someone who does not know how to

determine herb dosage by tongue tingle can get into trouble by making a

tincture without carefully KNOWING how. Sheesh

>



>Henriette

>Follow-up set to alt.folklore.herbs where this discussion belongs.



Thank you very much, but if I wanted to post it to alt.folklore.herbs,

I would have done that myself.  This is a garden newsgroup, where we

discuss plants and their uses.  Please do not post my replies for me

elsewhere.  



thank you

Victoria





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Elecampane

From: Eric Huls <edhuls@artsci.wustl.edu>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 01:55:37 -0600

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Hello,



I was wondering if anyone could supply me with information on the

folklore of elecampane and/or lobelia.  Thanks a bundle.



Eric Huls





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lobelia Fulgens -- Queen Victoria

From: Eric Huls <edhuls@artsci.wustl.edu>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 01:56:43 -0600

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I am doing a paper on this plant, does anyone know any folklore? 

Thanks.



Eric Huls





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tendonitis?

From: cappelba@dolphin.upenn.edu (Craig Harvey Appelbaum)

Date: 26 Feb 1997 15:34:43 GMT

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can anyone recommend herbs for tendonitis in the knee?

thanks!



craig





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tendonitis?

From: rqtball@ix.netcom.com (scott)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 04:59:50 GMT

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>can anyone recommend herbs for tendonitis in the knee?

>thanks!



cats claw and devil's claw are the BEST!!!!!!!







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Nerve Deafness

From: ac505@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (B.J. Roberson)

Date: 26 Feb 1997 16:09:48 GMT

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Does anyone know of a herb that will help with nerve deafness which

apparently is a normal (?) part of ageing.  

--

Wherever you go, there you are!





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To: "B.J. Roberson" <ac505@FreeNet.Carleton.CA>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Nerve Deafness

From: Christopher Hargett <chargett@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 08:00:06 -0500

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B.J. Roberson wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know of a herb that will help with nerve deafness which

> apparently is a normal (?) part of ageing.

> --

> Wherever you go, there you are!



B.J.



B&B Tincture.  It's a John Christopher Formula.



1 part Black Cohosh, 1 part Blue Cohosh, 1 part Blue Vervain, 1 part

Skullcap, 1 part Lobelia.  I would massage it into the base of my skull

and upper cervicals.  For hearing I would put several drops in my ears

and try to keep it there as long as I could.



Harg





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Nerve Deafness

From: zim@dfwmm.net (David Zimmerman)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:47:04 GMT

--------

ac505@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (B.J. Roberson) wrote:





>Does anyone know of a herb that will help with nerve deafness which

>apparently is a normal (?) part of ageing.  

>--

>Wherever you go, there you are!



Hi B.J.:



My 15 year old beagle is my oversized lab rat for testing many

products that make claims about health benifits and anti-ageing.

Think 15 is 105 years in human terms..................



My beagle was loosing her hearing so I put her on the wonder-stuff,

grape seed extract.  At first I noticed a definate increase in her

hearing but the problem gradually came back even worse.  Perhaps this

was effective but her hearing condition was just destine to get worse.



Lately I have started her on Cat's Claw and can see an immediate

improvement in her hearing.  Since I have had her on the CC for only

about two weeks, the jury is still out on this one.



My next step is to mix the CC and large doses of B vitamins, specially

B-6.  I never took her off of the grape seed extract since she has a

heart condition.  Also have her on ~6mg of DHEA/day....the 'youth'

harmone.



To all old timers I would recoment them to crush all vitamins and

minerals before taking.



David







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Subject: Re: Nerve Deafness

From: Rick Scott <ricks@vivanet.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:34:00 -0800

--------

I'd say that acupuncture/acupressure/moxibustion would be more helpful

with this type of nerve condition.



B.J. Roberson wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know of a herb that will help with nerve deafness which

> apparently is a normal (?) part of ageing.

> --

> Wherever you go, there you are!





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Subject: Thank you for Ideas on ADD

From: Allen <skallen@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:34:27 -0800

--------

Wow, thanks for all the great ideas for treating ADD in children 

I have passed on the info to my frind. It's nice to know that we can get 

the info and that folks will take the time to respond.

		Thank you again, Kristin.



Herbaly Yours, Kristin





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Subject: Re: Thank you for Ideas on ADD

From: Carole <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:57:31 -0800

--------

It would have been nice if people, other than just Rachael had posted 

their help for this problem to the list. My brother has 4 girls, all 

with ADD, and I would have loved to have been able to give him herbal 

instead of chemical info. 



-- 

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Subject: Re: Thank you for Ideas on ADD

From: txgsd@flash.net (TxGSD)

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:01:33 UNDEFINED

--------

>It would have been nice if people, other than just Rachael had posted 

>their help for this problem to the list. My brother has 4 girls, all 

>with ADD, and I would have loved to have been able to give him herbal 

>instead of chemical info. 



I agree.  I have a 17 yr old neighbor who practically lives here and who has 

ADD.  He doesn't like taking prescription drugs... would be nice to offer him 

an alternative!



Jen







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Subject: Re: Thank you for Ideas on ADD

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 05:18:13 GMT

--------

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:01:33 UNDEFINED, txgsd@flash.net (TxGSD) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>>It would have been nice if people, other than just Rachael had posted 

>>their help for this problem to the list. My brother has 4 girls, all 

>>with ADD, and I would have loved to have been able to give him herbal 

>>instead of chemical info. 

>

>I agree.  I have a 17 yr old neighbor who practically lives here and who has 

>ADD.  He doesn't like taking prescription drugs... would be nice to offer him 

>an alternative!



...there -is- an entry on ADD and herbs in the medicinal herbFAQ...



Henriette



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Subject: obsessive-compulsive

From: Snowflake Collector <sjolande@artsci.wustl.edu>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:55:10 -0600

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Does anyone have any ideas on herbal and/or other alternative methods for

treating this disorder?



Thanks,

Sherry

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Subject: Insomnia Help Please

From: AJ Bennett <aj.bennett@medtronic.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:08:16 -0600

--------

For quite a while now I have been having a terrible time falling asleep,

staying asleep and feeling rested when I wake up.  I take Milk Thistle,

Ginseng, Ginko Biloba, Vitamins C and B Complex, and Calcium.  What can

I do to help this problem?  Ann

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Subject: Re: Insomnia Help Please

From: Vicki Kay Russell <vrussell@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 03:08:17 GMT

--------



>

>For quite a while now I have been having a terrible time falling asleep,

>staying asleep and feeling rested when I wake up.  I take Milk Thistle,

>Ginseng, Ginko Biloba, Vitamins C and B Complex, and Calcium.  What can

>I do to help this problem?  Ann

>



For my insomnia I use a mixture of valerian and hops.   Usually within 20 minutes you are relaxed enough to drift to sleep.   My insomnia is the type where I have no problem falling asleep early in the night, but will wake up at 1 or 2 in the morning and be unable to go back to sleep.   It is at this time that I will brew up some tea, read for about a half hour and by then I am drifting off to sleep.   NOTE that you should not take valerian for extended periods of time.  At the most I only need it for 3 - 4 days before I break my insomnia cycle and can sleep regularly again.



You may want to check with an herblist on taking valerian with the other herbs you are already taking as some herbs do not mix well with others.



Hope this helps.



Vicki Kay





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To: aj.bennett@medtronic.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Insomnia Help Please

From: Christopher Hargett <chargett@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 07:52:52 -0500

--------

AJ Bennett wrote:

> 

> For quite a while now I have been having a terrible time falling

> asleep, staying asleep and feeling rested when I wake up.  I take Milk

> Thistle, Ginseng, Ginko Biloba, Vitamins C and B Complex, and

> Calcium.  What can I do to help this problem?  Ann



Ann,



Make sure you're not taking Ginseng and/or Ginko Biloba close to bed

time. They can cause insomnia due to there stimulating effect.



Otherwise, Vicki's solution should help.



Harg





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Subject: Re: Insomnia Help Please

From: "MW" <mwhite@america.net>

Date: 28 Feb 1997 03:01:09 GMT

--------

Ann,



I have found taking any type of B vitamin or any caffeine

after 12 noon will interfere with my sleep. Ginko Bilbola

does not bother me...I take it 3 times daily, 1 of which

is before bed.



Hope this helps,



Matthew

Christopher Hargett <chargett@ix.netcom.com> wrote in

article <331583A4.2140@ix.netcom.com>...

> AJ Bennett wrote:

> > 

> > For quite a while now I have been having a terrible

time falling

> > asleep, staying asleep and feeling rested when I wake

up.  I take Milk

> > Thistle, Ginseng, Ginko Biloba, Vitamins C and B

Complex, and

> > Calcium.  What can I do to help this problem?  Ann

> 

> Ann,

> 

> Make sure you're not taking Ginseng and/or Ginko Biloba

close to bed

> time. They can cause insomnia due to there stimulating

effect.

> 

> Otherwise, Vicki's solution should help.

> 

> Harg

> 





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Subject: Re: Insomnia Help Please

From: bgies@junction.net

Date: 28 Feb 1997 16:29:19 GMT

--------

 


On Thu, 27 Feb 1997 07:52:52 -0500, Christopher Hargett <chargett@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


> AJ Bennett wrote:


> > 


> > For quite a while now I have been having a terrible time falling


> > asleep, staying asleep and feeling rested when I wake up.  I take Milk


> > Thistle, Ginseng, Ginko Biloba, Vitamins C and B Complex, and


> > Calcium.  What can I do to help this problem?  Ann


> 


> Ann,


> 


> Make sure you're not taking Ginseng and/or Ginko Biloba close to bed


> time. They can cause insomnia due to there stimulating effect.


> 


> Otherwise, Vicki's solution should help.


> 


> Harg


 


I just wanted to make the distinction between American Ginseng


and Asian Ginseng. Asian Ginseng has a stimulating effect,


American Ginseng doesn't. Which one are you taking ?





Brad Gies.














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Subject: Re: Insomnia Help Please

From: "A. Guidi" <aguidi@u.washington.edu>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:54:02 -0800

--------

> AJ Bennett wrote:

> > 

> > For quite a while now I have been having a terrible time falling

> > asleep, staying asleep and feeling rested when I wake up.  I take Milk

> > Thistle, Ginseng, Ginko Biloba, Vitamins C and B Complex, and

> > Calcium.  What can I do to help this problem?  Ann



Ann,

I have found that large doses of Vitamin C close to bedtime can make me

restless.  I try to take Vits C and B earlier in the day...  hopefully

this will help you a bit, although i'm still ridiculously sleepless lately

and am therefore avidly reading all of the messages your question has

evoked.  - Thanks everyone! and good luck, Ann.









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Subject: Re: Insomnia Help Please

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard Renaud)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:52:14 GMT

--------

AJ Bennett <aj.bennett@medtronic.com> wrote:



>For quite a while now I have been having a terrible time falling asleep,

>staying asleep and feeling rested when I wake up.  I take Milk Thistle,

>Ginseng, Ginko Biloba, Vitamins C and B Complex, and Calcium.  What can

>I do to help this problem?  Ann



Hi Ann,



The ginseng may be the problem here, ginseng is a stimulant. If you don't have weakness or

other deficiencies associated with chronic disease you don't have to take ginseng on a

regular basis. Regular taking of ginseng if you don't need it will cause a state of excess

disease with symptoms of hyperactivity, insomnia, high blood pressure, agitation, dryness

of the body.

I recommend that you stop the ginseng. If you need to take ginseng take it in the morning.

E-mail me all symptoms that you have for a more accurate recommendation of herbs for

insomnia that will fit your actual condition.



I hope this helps,



Richard







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Subject: soreness

From: A0014571@dlep1.itg.ti.com (Bob Ratliff)

Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 20:32:34 GMT

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What is good for muscle soreness? I am in pain. I know it will heal, but in 

the meantime.....





Regards, Bob





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Subject: Re: soreness

From: traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE)

Date: 26 Feb 1997 21:31:48 GMT

--------

Bob R. wrote:

>

What is good for muscle soreness? I am in pain. I know it will heal, but

in 

the meantime.....<



Nice hot epsom salts baths-about 4 cups per tub.

Plus afterward rub soreness with Emu oil.

T.





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Subject: Re: soreness

From: rqtball@ix.netcom.com (scott)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 05:00:36 GMT

--------

traiteusse@aol.com (TRAITEUSSE) wrote:



>Bob R. wrote:

>>

>What is good for muscle soreness? I am in pain. I know it will heal, but

>in 



white willow bark is a very good herb...its what asprin comes from







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Subject: ?source for herbal clip-art?

From: pdsd@ultranet.ca

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 02:38:43 GMT

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Can anyone suggest good sources for clip-art of herbal botanical

drawings?



Thanks,  Sherri







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Subject: Kelp "patches"

From: J&K <jbrim@prysm.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 00:53:26 -0600

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x-no-archive: yes



A friend of mine told me about some new multi-level marketing thing

going around where they sell a patch for kelp.  The patch lasts about a

month and is an alternative to taking kelp orally.  I am interested in

taking kelp as a supplement to my thyroid medication and monitoring my

temps to see if there is an improvement.  



I am always very wary of multi-level marketing things, but I don't mind

buying a product that I think will be beneficial (however, I do not care

to sell anything myself).  



All this being said, I want to know if anyone has heard of this or had

any experience with this and can tell me more.



Thank you kindly,



Karen

jbrim@prysm.net







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Subject: Re: Kelp "patches"

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 04:11:01 -0700

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J&K <jbrim@prysm.net> wrote:



>I am always very wary of multi-level marketing things, but I don't mind

>buying a product that I think will be beneficial (however, I do not care

>to sell anything myself).  

Usually the price of a MLM product has to be inflated to take

care of all the levels of commissions ... 



>All this being said, I want to know if anyone has heard of this or had

>any experience with this and can tell me more.



Many things will soak through the skin ... but this is the first

I had heard of kelp having anything that could do so in useful

amounts. 

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Subject: Tense muscles-help please

From: downtown@mail.utexas.edu (Neena Michael)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 07:25:57 GMT

--------



Help, I have incredibly tense muscles.  Sometimes I can lie awake for 

hours because of the pain in my shoulders and back.  My friend is always

giving massages but to no avail.  I've also tried meditation but that only

provides temporary relief.  Does anyone know of any herbal muscle relaxers.



Neena





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Subject: Re: Tense muscles-help please

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 04:12:02 -0700

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downtown@mail.utexas.edu (Neena Michael) wrote:



>Help, I have incredibly tense muscles.  Sometimes I can lie awake for 

>hours because of the pain in my shoulders and back.  My friend is always

>giving massages but to no avail.  I've also tried meditation but that only

>provides temporary relief.  Does anyone know of any herbal muscle relaxers.



1. Don't use caffiene, guarana, ephedra etc.  

2. Exercise, followed by a hot bath or shower

   (sometimes tension id form under use)

3. Valerian for occasional use.



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Subject: Re: Tense muscles-help please

From: "Jeffrey L. Brown" <jlbrown@top.monad.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:12:47 -0500

--------

> downtown@mail.utexas.edu (Neena Michael) wrote:

> 

> >Help, I have incredibly tense muscles.  Sometimes I can lie awake for

> >hours because of the pain in my shoulders and back.  My friend is always

> >giving massages but to no avail.  I've also tried meditation but that only

> >provides temporary relief.  Does anyone know of any herbal muscle relaxers.



Therapy quality Lavender essential oil, mixed with a vegetable oil.



Chris





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To: Neena Michael <downtown@mail.utexas.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tense muscles-help please

From: Christopher Hargett <chargett@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 07:45:29 -0500

--------

Neena Michael wrote:

> 

> Help, I have incredibly tense muscles.  Sometimes I can lie awake for

> hours because of the pain in my shoulders and back.  My friend is always

> giving massages but to no avail.  I've also tried meditation but that only

> provides temporary relief.  Does anyone know of any herbal muscle relaxers.

> 

> Neena

Neena,



We use 1 part Lobelia Tincture, 1 part Cayenne Tincture, 1 part Tei Fu

oil.  

Use a medicine dropper to apply to affected area.  Lobelia tincture

applied 

by itself is a wonderful muscle relaxer.



Neena.  Find the cause.  This only helps with the symptoms.



You might check for parasites, if  caffiene isn't causing the problem.

Some other symptoms of parasites are, grinding teeth in your sleep, 

drooling at night and/or a ticklish cough at bed time. 



Harg





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Subject: Re: Tense muscles-help please

From: netstuff@ix.netcom.com (Space Cowboy)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 13:05:18 GMT

--------

One day downtown@mail.utexas.edu pondered then posted ...

>

>

>Help, I have incredibly tense muscles.  Sometimes I can lie awake for 

>hours because of the pain in my shoulders and back.  My friend is always

>giving massages but to no avail.  I've also tried meditation but that only

>provides temporary relief.  Does anyone know of any herbal muscle relaxers.

>

>Neena



Look at some books on that contain stretching exercises for the back.

Yoga is particularly good because of its emphasis on the spine.  My

favorite back massaging technique is sit on the floor, grasp hands

below knees, rock back to the base of the neck and forward in a rocking

chair motion.  To stretch the back, sit on the floor, grasp the soles

of the feet, lower the head over the knees, and extend the legs, and

hold the stretch for a couple of seconds.  Do five repetitons to start.

To expand the back and ribcage, sit on the floor, curl arms around legs,

slowly spread the legs, and you will feel a strecth in the back and ribcage.

As with all stretching exercises, do everthing with moderation, expect

some discomfort, but nothing approaching pain threshhold.  There hundreds 

of exercises of this sort.  The short term solution is visit a Chinese 

herbalist who practices Tui Na (deep muscle massage) and accupuncture.

He can prescribe patents, formulas, and poltices for the back.  Buy a

famous Chinese salve called Tiger Balm and spread liberally over the

upper back.  Believe it or not Walgreens carries the product.  The gym

has equipment for exercising the upper back.  



---

Jim







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Subject: Re: Tense muscles-help please

From: rreno@quebectel.com (Richard Renaud)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:52:16 GMT

--------

downtown@mail.utexas.edu (Neena Michael) wrote:





>Help, I have incredibly tense muscles.  Sometimes I can lie awake for 

>hours because of the pain in my shoulders and back.  My friend is always

>giving massages but to no avail.  I've also tried meditation but that only

>provides temporary relief.  Does anyone know of any herbal muscle relaxers.



>Neena



Hi Neena,



When I have serious tense muscles (spasm) I use this Chinese herbs formula :

- Xiao Huo Luo Dan (6 herbs formula): dosage 6 pills 1-2 times daily.

CAUTION: don't take more than the recommended dosage, stop the taking after recovery.

COUNTRAINDICATED during pregnancy.

Available in Chinese herbs stores.



I hope this helps,



Richard







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Subject: Rat Poison

From: jhcurry@ibm.net

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 03:30:54 -0800

--------

I am looking for a homebrew rat poison recipe that will not be toxic to

non-target animals. It seems that years ago I read of one using plaster

of paris or some similiar substance. If anyone has any suggestions,

please E me, or post here. Thanks.



Joe





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Subject: Re: Rat Poison

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 04:15:02 -0700

--------

jhcurry@ibm.net wrote:



>I am looking for a homebrew rat poison recipe that will not be toxic to

>non-target animals. 

  If it will kill a rat, it will kill anything else that eats it.

Try a large, cat, a well-fed one that likes to hunt.



>It seems that years ago I read of one using plaster

>of paris or some similiar substance. 

That doesn't work ... first rat that gets sick tells the others

to stop eating it.  Old rats actually let the young ones eat a

strange food first, and if the young ones die they won't touch

it. 

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Subject: Re: Rat Poison

From: Connie <nospam@thisaddr.ess>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:24:10 -0500

--------

An overdose of Vitamin D (look for Quintox) will mobilize calcium in the

bloodstream and cause heart failure.  My understanding is that the toxic

dosage for rodents is MUCH lower than for carnivore/omnivore/pets/family

members.

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Subject: Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ

From: an588@freenet.carleton.ca (Catherine Woodgold)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 13:24:33 GMT

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Archive-name: medicine/migraine/natural-cures

Posting-Frequency: Every 27 days

Last-modified: 1996/09/19

Version: 1.1





Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ





 (1) Introduction

 (2) For Immediate Relief 

 (3) Definition of Migraines

 (4) Chiropractic treatment

 (5) Biofeedback

     (5.1) Theory of biofeedback

     (5.2) Handwarming biofeedback

     (5.3) Other biofeedback

 (6) Nociceptive Appliance

 (7) Nutritional Treatments

     (7.1) Food Sensitivity

     (7.2) Blood Sugar

     (7.3) Not Overusing Salt

     (7.4) Nutritional Supplements

     (7.5) Herbs

 (8) Psychology

 (9) Sex hormones

 (10) Books of interest

 (11) About the author of this FAQ

 (12) Disclaimer





(1) Introduction



This Natural Migraine Treatment FAQ attempts to summarize all

non-medical treatments that help prevent or cure migraine

headaches.  Most treatments mentioned here have worked for many

people, and usually have a theoretical basis as well.  Please

send me additional information you think should be included here,

to help make this FAQ complete, accurate and useful, within its

narrow focus.  Information about acupuncture would be a welcome

addition.  More information about herbs would be good.  Please

don't send me information about drugs; they are beyond the scope

of this FAQ. 



There is another FAQ, maintained by someone else, associated

with the newsgroup alt.support.headaches.migraine.  You may want

to read it, too. 

 

Natural treatments are usually harmless (as opposed to drugs,

which usually have side effects).  Therefore, depending on cost

and convenience, it can make sense to continue a natural

treatment even if you're not sure whether it's doing any good. 

It often makes sense to apply several natural treatments at the

same time.  If one treatment reduces the number of headaches or

the amount of pain, then several treatments used at once may

completely or almost completely eliminate them. 

 

Different things work for different people.  Some of the

treatments mentioned here may actually increase headache pain for

some people.  Some may have no effect on some people.  You may

decide to try several things and choose the ones that help you. 



This FAQ can be found on the Web at 

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/

medicine/migraine/natural-cures/faq.html  (all one line).

 

Note the disclaimer at the end of the FAQ. 

 

 

 

(2) For Immediate Relief

 

 

Most of the treatments in this FAQ are used to prevent migraines

from happening.  This section describes things you can do when

you're in pain, to reduce the pain. 

 

 -- Have a bath or shower.

 -- Lie down to rest in a dark room.

 -- Avoid bright or flashing light.

 -- Put something cold on the back of your neck, such as

     a cold, wet cloth. 

 -- Have a drink of water or natural juice.

 -- Eat a bananna or drink tomatoe juice;  they contain something

     that can help.   (serotonin?? potassium?? Somebody please

	 supply this information.)

 -- Have some food, or a nutritious drink, if you

     haven't eaten for a while. 

 -- Massage your own face, head, neck and shoulders, or get someone

     else to do those and your back.  Relax your muscles. 

 -- Press on two pressure points at the back of the neck.  These

     points are about two inches apart, just below the base of

     the skull.  Press for a minute or two.  This releases

     endorphins that help against pain. 

 -- Avoid sources of stress.  Cancel activities so there's less

     to worry about. 

 -- Avoid exercise during a headache if it makes throbbing pain

     in the head and neck worse.  On

     the other hand, generally exercise improves health, and

     it may help you relax during a headache. 

 -- Take some niacin (a form of vitamin B3).  Taking enough 

     niacin to cause a flush (blood rushing to the skin) can

     provide relief from headache pain, but this much niacin

     can also have side effects (flush, nausea, heartburn,

     liver damage, etc.) Niacinamide doesn't have such bad

     side effects, but isn't as much use against migraines, either. 

     Smaller, safer amounts of niacin are also helpful. 

		 Niacin can trigger a migraine, though.

 -- Take some vitamin C, vitamin B6, choline, tryptophan and niacin.

 

(3) Definition of Migraines

 

The word "migraine" comes from words meaning "half the head",

and sounds like "demi-cranium", because migraine headaches often

hurt on only the left or right side of the head.  However, many

people with migraines always have pain on the whole head. 

 

A migraine headache is caused by hormonal fluctuations which

cause blood vessels in the head and neck to contract and then

dilate.  The first phase, or contraction phase, may last minutes,

hours, or days.  During this phase, symptoms can be spots in

front of the eyes, difficulty concentrating, and cold fingertips

and hands.  This is called an "aura".  Many people recognize this

phase of their headaches; many others don't notice any symptoms

at this time.  Some people who think they don't have an "aura"

can learn to recognize it. 

 

When the blood vessels dilate, the headache pain starts. 

Apparently the hormones over-react.  Instead of just going from a

contracted state back to normal, the blood vessels dilate much

wider than normal, causing pain.  Other things also happen about

the same time: swelling of the brain, release of certain

chemicals, and perhaps muscle tension.  These things add to the

pain. 

 

There are a number of different processes that can cause the

interplay of hormones leading to contracted and then over-dilated

blood vessels.  It's not always the same hormones that are

involved.  Some of the natural treatments listed here focus on a

single process.  Different things work for different people. 

Some people may need to use several treatments at the same time. 

Some people who think they have "tension headaches" are actually

helped by migraine treatments.  Many headaches are probably a

combination of muscle tension and migraine. 

 

(4) Chiropractic treatment

 

Sometimes the bones in the neck are in the wrong place, and the

little muscles near the bones are tense.  This is called

"subluxation".  It's like having a crick in your neck.  The

nerves that lead out from the spine can be irritated when there

is a subluxation.  This can cause migraines.  The bones are very

close to being in the right place, so a medical doctor might say

they are in the right place.  A chiropractor treats people by

gently pushing the bones back into place. 

 

Stress on any part of the spine, as from lifting heavy objects

or sitting in a twisted position, can cause subluxations in the

neck, leading to migraine. 

 

Some relief from migraine can be obtained by doing slow, gentle

stretching exercises of the neck.  (Rolling motions or sudden

motions are not recommended.) Avoid sitting for a long time with

the head leaning forward, straining the neck.  Avoid lying on

your back with your head raised on a pillow.  Lying on your back

is OK with no pillow, or with a pillow that supports the neck but

doesn't raise the head much.  When lying on your side, a pillow

should support the head and neck.  When sitting, for example at

the computer, change position frequently and check for things

like tension in the shoulders from supporting the arms. 

 

Chiropractors usually ask their patients to be x-rayed on the

first visit.  If you want to avoid the damage of x-rays, you can

ask your chiropractor to treat you without doing an x-ray.  They

can do this; they do it for pregnant women all the time. 

Chiropractors usually do other simple tests at each visit to

assess exactly what the person needs at that time. 

 

(5) Biofeedback

 

(5.1) Theory of biofeedback

 

With biofeedback, a person learns to control a body function

which was not under direct conscious control, but was indirectly

under conscious control. 

 

Here is an example to explain what is meant by a body function

under indirect conscious control.  Generally speaking, a person

can't decide to do the following: "I'll flip a coin, and if it

comes up heads, I'll immediately make my heart beat faster, even

though I'll still be sitting down." However, a person can decide,

"If the coin comes up heads, then I'll put up my hand to ask a

question in front of this roomful of people, which I'm nervous

about doing." As soon as the person sees the coin come up heads,

their heart starts to pound because of their nervousness.  Yet

all that happened was that they made a decision and then flipped

a coin.  Thus, their conscious thoughts affected the heartrate. 

In this way, heartrate is indirectly under conscious control. 

 

Body functions such as muscle tension, finger temperature, and

levels of some hormones in the blood (such as adrenalin in the

above example) are under indirect conscious control.  Some of

these functions are involved in headaches. 

 

Biofeedback means making information about one's body available

to the conscious mind.  Devices which measure muscle tension,

finger temperature etc.  and which supply that information to the

person are biofeedback devices. 

 

Gradually, a person learns the semi-conscious thought patterns

that make the device show the desired result, such as warm

fingers.  It's like learning to ride a bicycle.  Once the skill

has been learned, the person can use it at any time, without

needing the biofeedback device.  For example, a person who has

gone through many learning sessions with a thermometer and has

learned to warm their fingers can then warm their fingers after

that without using a thermometer. 

 

(5.2) Handwarming biofeedback

 

Phase I of a migraine is similar to what the body does in

response to fear, though the reaction may have been caused by a

food the person ate rather than by actual fear.  In phase I,

blood is reallocated out of the hands and head and into the large

muscles that would be used for running from danger.  The hands,

especially the fingertips, become cold when the blood is

withdrawn.  The feeling of confusion, or inability to think

clearly, that can accompany phase I is similar to fainting from

fear. 

 

The pain occurs in phase II, when the blood vessels of the head

and neck over-react and re-expand to larger than the normal size. 

The headache can be prevented by reducing the severity of phase

I, thus preventing phase II. 

 

The level of the hormones in the blood that contract the blood

vessels, such as serotonin and adrenalin, can be brought under

semi-conscious control.  By thinking relaxed thoughts, the

hormone level can be lowered.  The serotonin level is monitored

by checking the temperature of the fingertips and hands.  During

phase I, first the fingertips and then the hands become cold. 

The finger temperature can be checked either with a thermometer,

or by touching the fingertips to your cheeks.  If they feel warm

or hot, that's good.  They should be at body temperature.  If

they're cool or cold, it could be either from being in a cold

room, from poor blood circulation due to diabetes or some other

condition, or from a phase I reaction. 

 

After many attempts of trying to think relaxed thoughts and

checking the finger temperature, a person gradually learns how to

get into the right frame of mind to affect the serotonin levels. 

Eventually, a person can decide to warm up the fingers, meditate

for a while, and the fingers become warm.  Under a lot of stress,

for example if you're about to speak in front of an audience, it

may be impossible to warm the fingers at that time, though

attempting it may reduce the severity of a migraine later.  For

learning, it's best to use a low-stress situation such as sitting

at home. 

 

It normally requires trying several times a day for several

weeks before much progress is made.  It helps to keep records of

the finger temperature before and after attempting biofeedback. 

 

A person who has learned biofeedback can become aware of their

finger temperature so that they notice when their hands suddenly

become cold.  They can then take a break from stressful

activities, relax until their hands warm up, and prevent a

headache from happening.  The feeling of confusion and stress

that usually accompanies phase I can mean that you tend not to

notice things like finger temperature at that time -- you're too

busy thinking about whatever is causing the stress -- but

eventually you can learn to notice it. 

 

See Kohlenberg's book [5], which comes with a thermometer, for

more information. 

 

(5.3) Other Biofeedback

 

Biofeedback devices can be used to monitor the tenseness of

muscles in the forehead, the amount of sweat on the fingers, and

other things.  The person spends time learning to make the

muscles relaxed, the fingers dry, etc.  These forms of

biofeedback can help with headaches.  A migraine usually involves

some muscle tension in the head which adds to the pain. 

 

 

(6) Nociceptive Appliances



Dr. James Boyd of the Headache Prevention Institute

(800 W. Long Lake Road, #135,  Bloomfield Hills, MI  48302  (810) 258-6182)

has developed an appliance, worn in the mouth, that treats migraines.



Everybody tenses their temporalis muscles while sleeping.  Some migraine

sufferers do so with such intensity, that it triggers morning headache and 

or migraine.

 

The special appliance makes the teeth bite together only at the

front.  This stimulates a reflex to relax the jaw muscles.

It is removed while eating.



Of 270 migraine people fitted with the device, 160 (59%) reported

significant relief from migraines.



(7) Nutritional Treatments

 (7.1) Food Sensitivity

 

Many books agree that chocolate is the most likely food to

cause migraines.  Other foods which can cause migraines include

avocadoes, pineapples, beans, peas, lentils, MSG, pork, shrimp,

pickled herring, alcohol, caffeine, cheese, and coconut. 

 

The caffeine in chocolate is not the main reason chocolate

causes migraines.  There's a group of substances called amines,

common in food, which are the main food trigger of migraines. 

There are different amines in different foods.  The one in

chocolate is the worst.  The one in cheese is called tyramine and

is next worst.  Hanington's book [3] describes an experiment in

which it was shown that tyramine can cause migraines.  Migraine

people have less monoamine oxidase (MAO), the enzyme in platelets

that breaks down amines. 

 

The amount of tyramine in cheese varies tremendously by type and

even batch of cheese.  Milk is OK, since the tyramine is produced

in the cheesemaking process by microorganisms.  Other amines are

found in other types of food.  The reaction to amines is not an

allergy.  The amines cause certain hormones to be released in the

body.  Different amines may cause migraines in different people. 

 

Each person needs to experiment to figure out which foods give

them migraines.  This is not always easy to do.  A food might not

cause a migraine every time it is eaten; perhaps only when

another cause of migraines happens at the same time. 

 

It's better to go on a very restricted diet for a while, a week

or a month, say, than to experiment by eliminating just one

suspicious food at a time.  To illustrate this, suppose you have

a list of 20 suspicious foods, and that by eliminating 5 of them

you can cut your headaches in half, from 10 a month down to 5 ... 

but you don't know that, and you don't know which 5 foods are the

bad ones.  If you spend 20 months, eating everything except one

food each month, you will learn nothing.  You will still have

about 10 headaches a month.  Some months you'll have about 9

instead of 10, but that's not enough to notice a difference: you

probably vary from 8 to 12 headaches a month anyway.  However, if

you stop eating all 20 foods for a month, you'll notice something

interesting: you'll have only 5 headaches instead of 10.  You can

then gradually re-introduce the suspicious foods.  Now that you

have fewer headaches, you'll notice it if you have a headache a

few hours after eating a suspicious food.  Make sure your

restricted diet contains all the vitamins and other essential

nutrients. 

 

If you combine advice from several books, there will be nothing

left to eat! I recommend the restricted diet suggested by

Brainard [1] as a starting point for experimentation.  When I

followed this diet, my migraines diminished significantly, and

over the following weeks, months, and years I gradually tested

and re-introduced to my diet most of the disallowed foods.  Some

I went on and off several times to test for subtle effects. 

 

(7.2) Blood Sugar

 

Recent studies [Low, 6] show that when a migraine person eats

refined sugar, their blood sugar level goes up very high, then

quickly comes down again.  Any kind of refined sugar causes this

effect: sucrose, glucose, etc.  The blood sugar level goes up and

down so fast that a standard glucose tolerance test with blood

samples taken less often than every 15 minutes can completely

miss the effect.  Many migraine people have been told they're

very normal after a glucose tolerance test, but in fact they have

a condition similar to hypoglycemia. 

 

Natural sugars, such as fruit, completely unprocessed sugar cane

juice, etc.  do not cause this effect.  Eating natural sugar

causes the blood sugar level to go up, but not very high, and it

doesn't come down so fast.  There's something in natural sugar

that helps the body absorb it.  Glucose Tolerance Factor (GTF), a

molecule containing chromium, may be responsible.  Chromium is

usually present with natural sugars, and is missing in refined

sugar.  It works with insulin to help the body process sugar. 

Chromium must be in a bioavailable form such as GTF or chromium

picolinate.  However, there may be other factors present in

natural sugars, such as vitamins, enzymes, etc., that are also

important. 

 

When refined sugar is eaten, the pancreas releases a lot of

insulin.  For some reason, people who get migraines release more

than the normal amount of insulin.  Insulin stimulates the

release of adrenalin.  This starts phase I of a migraine. 

 

Going without eating for 3 to 4 or more hours causes low blood

sugar levels which can also trigger a migraine. 

 

In his book [6] Rodolfo Low recommends the following for all

migraine people.  He claims that every person who has followed

these recommendations, including himself, has completely

eliminated migraines:

 

 -- Do not eat any refined sugar.  Not even small amounts.  Fruit

   should be fresh, not dried or cooked.  Eat a wholesome balanced

   diet of natural foods including fruit.

 -- Eat every three hours.  Have six small meals a day instead of

   three.  Have snacks of healthy foods at midmorning, midafter-

   noon, and bedtime.

 -- Avoid drinking alcohol.

 -- Avoid drugs that stimulate the pancreas.  Many drugs taken for 

   other purposes also stimulate the pancreas, e.g. aspirin.  See 

   the book [6] for a list of drugs to avoid.

 

[Above recommendations paraphrased by C.W.]

 

Many people are deficient in chromium.  Eating refined sugars

leads to chromium deficiency.  A supplement of GTF chromium or

chromium picolinate is helpful to hypoglycemic people and can

allow them to maintain good blood sugar levels when going several

hours without eating.  Low has shown that migraines are closely

related to hypoglycemia, so perhaps chromium supplements would

help migraine people too.  I used to get a headache if I went 4

or 5 hours without eating; with a chromium supplement (200

mcg/day, not a megadose) this is no longer the case. 

 

(7.3) Salt

 

A normal person who eats a very large amount of salt will get a

headache.  Brainard [1] claims that for people who get migraines,

a small amount of salt can have the same effect.  He describes

the hormonal processes that occur when salt is eaten.  [See his

book for details.]

 

Everyone needs some salt (sodium chloride) in order to live. 

Natural foods generally contain some salt.  Processed foods often

have too much added salt. 

 

Brainard recommends:

 

 -- Moderate amounts of salt with meals are OK.

 -- No large amounts of salt with meals.

 -- No salt at all between meals;  not even a salted cracker or a

   cookie cooked with the usual large amount of salt.

 -- Avoid soups;  these often contain large amounts of added salt.

 

[Above recommendations paraphrased by C.W.]



During a migraine, a person makes more urine than usual.  One

has to drink more in order to make up for the missing water and

avoid getting dehydrated.  Drink if you're thirsty. 

 

(7.4) Nutritional Supplements

 

There are many vitamins and other essential nutrients which can

have an effect on the complex hormonal processes that cause

migraines. 

 

The following supplements, taken regularly, can help:

 

 -- vitamin C  (is needed to convert tryptophan to serotonin)

 -- vitamin B6 (also needed to convert tryptophan to serotonin)

 -- niacin (see side effect warning under section 2)

			   (is a form of vitamin B3;  dilates blood vessels)

 -- choline 

 -- tryptophan  (is converted to serotonin in the body, when needed)

 -- omega-3 essential fatty acids, e.g. unrefined, cold-pressed,

    uncooked flax seed oil

 -- chromium?  (See section 6.2.)

 -- magnesium;  as much magnesium as you take calcium

    (magnesium deficiency can also cause a craving for chocolate.)

 -- someone says melatonin and B6 at bedtime treats a headache.

 

(7.5) Herbs

 

Feverfew helps many migraine sufferers.  It's claimed by some to

be best to eat fresh leaves, one small leaf per day.  It should 

be taken regularly.  I think it has some side effects, including 

possibly a sore mouth and vivid dreams.

 

Reishi is also said to help against migraines. 



[Please send me information to expand this section.]

 

 

(8) Psychology

 

People often think thoughts that are just a little frightening. 

When normal people think these thoughts, nothing much happens. 

But migraine people have over-reactive hormone systems, and

adrenalin and other hormones are released along with just

slightly scary thoughts.  A migraine person may not feel scared

at all, may claim to be relaxed, but at the same time may be

showing the physical symptoms of fear.  These symptoms may be

partly resulting from various chemical processes such as the

foods the person ate.  However, they are also the result of

thoughts. 

 

The scary thoughts that bring on phase I of a migraine are

usually semi-conscious ...  just outside the range of conscious

thinking.  For instance, a migraine person may look at a report

they're writing at work and consciously think, "I don't think

this is good enough."  But at the same time, in a semi-conscious

way, the following thoughts flit rapidly through the mind: "And

my boss may not like it.  And I could lose my job.  And I might

not be able to get another job.  And I wouldn't be able to buy

food.  So I would starve." These thoughts go by so fast it's hard

to pin them down.  But they're real, and are accompanied by cold

fingers and other symptoms of phase I of a migraine.  The person

might not notice the symptoms.  Later, when they have a headache,

they might not realize they had been under stress.  "I was just

quietly working in my office, writing a report."

 

It helps to write down such thoughts.  Kohlenberg [5] recommends

writing the thoughts down in the form of a proof that either

there's a threat to one's life or health, or that a law of nature

has been broken, i.e.  that something "should" be happening and

isn't.  Writing the thoughts out slows them down so that they

come under conscious scrutiny and control.  Then, on another part

of the page, write down arguments against each point.  "My boss

usually likes my reports.  I'm very unlikely to lose my job.  If

I do lose it, I'll probably find another one.  Even if I don't,

I'll go on welfare and won't starve."

 

It helps to avoid thoughts with words like "should" and "ought"

in them.  Instead of thinking, "I should wash the dishes now,"

think "I want to wash the dishes now." One good way to eliminate

a "should" thought is to start doing the thing.  If you don't

want to, there's probably a good reason not to.  Then, instead of

thinking, "I should ...", think, "I decided not to...  because

...".  Accept that every decision has both good and bad results. 

 

It's useful to combine this technique with biofeedback.  See

Kohlenberg's book for both. 

 

(9) Sex hormones

 

Apparently sex hormones are among the hormones that can be

involved in migraines.  For both men and women, it's common for

migraines to begin around puberty.  [6].  Women often notice

headaches corresponding to certain times of the menstrual cycle. 

Menopause can mean fewer or no headaches for some lucky women

(or the onset of migraines for others).  Sexual intercourse

can make a headache go away ... but brings on headaches for

other people.  Nutritional treatments can help reduce symptoms 

of pre-menstrual syndrome (PMS), including headaches.  ([7],[8]).

 

It's normal during breastfeeding for a woman to have no

menstrual periods for a time which can be 3 months, 2 years or

more, averaging about 14 months. [4]  For some, this is a welcome

rest from a range of symptoms which can include PMS and

headaches.  Unfortunately, breastfeeding is often disrupted,

resulting in increased health risks to both mother and baby. 

This includes the inconvenience of early return of menstrual

cycles, along with the familiar accompanying symptoms.  The

return of menstruation is an individual thing;  a slight

reduction of nursing may bring it on in one woman, while another

may be nursing only a few (e.g. 4) times a day and still not 

menstruate.  Early return of menstruation can be caused by:

 

(Things to avoid, if you don't want to start menstruating soon:)

 -- early weaning

 -- use of bottles or pacifiers

 -- mother-baby separations, e.g. use of babysitters

 -- other foods given to baby before about 6 months of age

 -- encouraging baby to "sleep through the night"

 -- limiting breastfeeding, based on clocks and calendars

 

Speculation: It is known that pollutants such as pesticides,

PCB's and biproducts of chlorine bleaching can act as hormone

mimics, disrupting the development of animals and humans. 

Chemicals which mimic estrogen have been most extensively

studied, but pollutants mimic other hormones as well.  [2]

Hormones are involved in migraines.  Are migraines more common

these days than they used to be? Could migraines sometimes be

partly caused by hormone-disrupting pollutants?

 

(10) Books of interest

 

[1] Brainard, John B., 1979.  Control of Migraine.  W.W.  Norton

& Co., New York -- London. 

 

[2] Colborn, Theo, Dianne Dumanoski, and John Peterson Myers,

1996.  Our Stolen Future.  Penguin Books, New York, NY. 

 

[3] Hanington, Edda, MD MRCP, 1980.  The Headache Book. 

Technomic, Westport CT. 

 

[4] Kippley, Sheila.  Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing. 

 

[5] Kohlenberg, R.J.  Migraine Relief: A Personal Treatment

Program

 

[6] Low, Rodolfo, 1987.  Migraine: The Breakthrough Study That

Explains What Causes It and How it Can Be Completely Prevented

Through Diet.  Henry Holt & Co.  Inc.  New York NY. 

 

[7] Nazzarro, Dr.  Ann, and Dr.  Donald Lombard, with Dr.  David

Horrobin, 1985.  The PMS Solution: Premenstrual Syndrome: The

Nutritional Approach.  Eden Press, Montreal -- London. 



[8] Shannon, M.  Fertility, Cycles and Nutrition.

 

(11) About the author of this FAQ

 

I've had migraines since about age 16.  For long periods I had

mild headaches every day and often worse ones.  Using some of the

natural treatments listed here, I've mostly eliminated them. 

 

I'm interested in many things.  Professionally, I'm a

seismologist.  I also like reading about nutrition,

breastfeeding, non-violence, barter, evolution, mathematics,

auto-free living, midwifery, effective communication of emotions,

alternative medicine, and natural family planning.  See a web

page on natural family planning, co-authored by me, at

http://www.usc.edu/hsc/info/newman/resources/primer.html. 

 

Please send me comments and suggested additions.  Polite 

criticism is welcome.  Messages containing emotionally-charged 

criticism or strongly pejorative language will be ignored.

 

Cathy Woodgold               an588@freenet.carleton.ca.  

 

 

(12) Disclaimer

 

This information about natural migraine treatments, collected

from various sources, is provided for your convenience.  Though

effort has been made to make it accurate, it may contain errors,

omissions or inaccuracies.  It is hoped that readers will supply

information to help improve the FAQ.  It is not to be considered

to be medical advice.  Different things work for different

people.  Some of the suggestions here may actually increase

headache pain for some people, or cause other problems.  If you

decide to use any of the treatments mentioned here, you are

responsible for that decision and for any effects that occur. 

You may collect information from other sources, if you wish,

before beginning to use the treatments mentioned here.  Some

headaches are caused by other serious problems requiring other

treatment; this FAQ only discusses migraines.  If the author

knows of serious safety problems, they will probably be mentioned

here, but absence of specific warnings does not constitute a

statement or guarantee that the treatments are safe.  Any

nutritional supplement can be harmful in very large amounts. 

This FAQ is provided with no warranty of any kind.  Life is full

of unknowns. 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Flaxseed

From: caroles34@aol.com (CaroleS34)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 14:16:13 GMT

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I have found the nutrition and caloric values of flaxseed oil but I would

like the same on regular flaxseed. I am thinking of taking a tablespoon

per day. (soaked overnight in small amout of water). Thanks in advance for

any information.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flaxseed

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:34:18 GMT

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In article <19970227141600.JAA20973@ladder02.news.aol.com>,

CaroleS34 <caroles34@aol.com> wrote:

>I have found the nutrition and caloric values of flaxseed oil but I would

>like the same on regular flaxseed. I am thinking of taking a tablespoon

>per day. (soaked overnight in small amout of water). Thanks in advance for

>any information.



Bad idea!  Whole flaxseed and the press cake from making

cold-pressed flaxseed oil can release cyanide at levels

that render them unfit for animal food, much less human

food.  The oil, however, will not contain significant

amounts of cyanide.



Quoting from _Vegetable_Fats_and_Oils_ (2nd ed.) by

George S. Jamieson, American Chemical Society Monograph

Series Number 58, page 266:



"It should be observed that flax seed as well as the

flax cake contain a cyanogenetic glucoside known as

Linamarin.  The cake, however, from "hot pressing,"

is innocuous to cattle.  The heat apparently prevents

the action of an enzyme in the seed upon the glucoside

and stops the evolution of hydrocyanic acid from the cake

in the presence of moisture."











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flaxseed

From: astarte@iafrica.com

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 97 10:42:04 GMT

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This is really interesting because when I was diagnosed with CFS, the doc told 

me to eat as many flax seeds as possible, also soaked etc. Please post more 

information. 



Regards

Eloise



On 2/27/97 6:34PM, in message <eeeE69sp6.Iry@netcom.com>, Mark Thorson 

<eee@netcom.com> wrote:





> Bad idea!  Whole flaxseed and the press cake from making

> cold-pressed flaxseed oil can release cyanide at levels

> that render them unfit for animal food, much less human

> food.  The oil, however, will not contain significant

> amounts of cyanide.

> 

> Quoting from _Vegetable_Fats_and_Oils_ (2nd ed.) by

> George S. Jamieson, American Chemical Society Monograph

> Series Number 58, page 266:

> 

> "It should be observed that flax seed as well as the

> flax cake contain a cyanogenetic glucoside known as

> Linamarin.  The cake, however, from "hot pressing,"

> is innocuous to cattle.  The heat apparently prevents

> the action of an enzyme in the seed upon the glucoside

> and stops the evolution of hydrocyanic acid from the cake

> in the presence of moisture."

> 

> 

> 









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flaxseed

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:25:54 GMT

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In article <N.022897.124204.81@196-7-192-141.iafrica.com>,

 <astarte@iafrica.com> wrote:

>This is really interesting because when I was diagnosed with CFS, the doc told 

>me to eat as many flax seeds as possible, also soaked etc. Please post more 

>information. 



There's been a lot of nutritional quackery afoot ever since

a recent book by Udo Erasmus suggested that the ideal source

of dietary fats is fresh, raw, cold-pressed flaxseed oil.

Whether or not this is good advice may be indicated by the

following quotes from a USDA publication.



Note that it describes a reaction which involves the immune

system.  I don't know about you, but I prefer not to subject

my immune system to unnecessary stress.



Of all food animals, the pig is most similar to a human.

Like humans it is by nature an omnivore, unlike cattle,

goats, and sheep which are herbivores.  The USDA publication

_Atlas_of_Meat_Inspection_Pathology_ (USDA, 1972) is a

guide for meat inspectors, not human nutrition.  But here

are some interesting comments on the effects of flaxseed

oil consumption on pigs, quoting from pages 165-167:



"Steatitis ('Yellow Fat' Disease) in Swine"



"Definition.--Steatitus ('yellow fat' disease) in swine

is a yellow pigmentation of adipose tissue associated

with the use of fish products and flaxseed as feed."



"Distribution and incidence.--Steatitus usually occurs

near fisheries where cannery wastes are fed to swine.

The disease is also found on fur ranches where the remains

of mink feed containing fish products are consumed by pigs.

The use of feed containing other substances possessing

highly unsaturated fatty acids, such as flaxseed, will also

produce the disease."



"Feeding swine rations containing excessive amounts of

highly unsaturated fatty acids and inadequate quantities of

tocopherols causes porcine adipose tissue to contain a

yellow, acid-fast pigment.  The pigment consists of fat

soluble and fat insoluble fractions and the latter possesses

acid-fast staining characteristics.  Fat cells can

incorporate and stabilize unsaturated fatty acids as

'storage fat' if vitamin E, an antioxidant, is added to a

ration rich in unsaturated fatty acids."



"The fat of affected swine has an odor of fish that can

be accentuated by heating the tissue.  Swine having steatitus

tend to be thin and in poor physical condition."



"Macroscopic appearance.--Subcutaneous and mesenteric

fat, in particular, show the alterations characteristic

of this dietary disease.  Affected fat is slightly

opaque and firmer than normal and varies from bright yellow

to yellowish brown."



"Microscopic appearance.--Foreign fat globules, some

of which contain an acid-fast pigment, are deposited in

the interstices of the adipose tissue.  This deposition

appears as fine droplets or, quite frequently, as larger

discrete globules in groups or islets of variable size.

At time the globules have a pericapillary and periarteriole

location.  Adipose cell tissues themselves are usually not

affected.  Occasionally, foreign fat globules are seen

within adipose cells and their presence is interpreted to

represent a permeation into the normal storage fat

rather than a disturbed metabolic process.  Foci of

inflammation composed of collections of macrophages,

neutrophils, eosinophils, and an occasional foreign-body

giant cell may be present between the adipose cells.  These

macrophages and giant cells contain droplets of yellow fat.

This inflammatory reaction is the basis for applying the

name 'steatitus' to the condition."









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Newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Coffee and Fertility

From: ford@unix.infoserve.net (Kathryn Ford)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 15:00:03 GMT

--------

I have just seen a reference to some study done in the US (by the 

National Institute for Environmental Health) that indicated 

that women who drink ONE CUP of brewed coffee a day are half as likely 

to conceive as women who drink no coffee.



Anyone know anything about this?  I only drink one cup a day myself, and 

I'd hate to give that up - I thought I was being very moderate.



TIA

Kathy



--

ford@infoserve.net



          never trust a man in a blue trenchcoat

      never drive a car when you're dead

                                - Tom Waits

                                 





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Newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Coffee and Fertility

From: safitzge@usgs.gov (Sharon A. Fitzgerald)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:43:25 GMT

--------



In article <5f47hj$ndd@news.infoserve.net>, ford@unix.infoserve.net (Kathryn Ford) writes:

> I have just seen a reference to some study done in the US (by the 

> National Institute for Environmental Health) that indicated 

> that women who drink ONE CUP of brewed coffee a day are half as likely 

> to conceive as women who drink no coffee.

> 

> Anyone know anything about this?  I only drink one cup a day myself, and 

> I'd hate to give that up - I thought I was being very moderate.



I don't know how well any number of anecdotes will stand up to a controlled

study but I drink 3-4 cups/day, was told by two independent OBs that I would

have trouble conceiving (due to Polycystic ovaries, not coffee consumption), and

still conceived within 2-3 months without really trying.



I wouldn't obsess over this one if I were you.                                  



-- 

Sharon Fitzgerald                       safitzge@usgs.gov

Research Hydrologist-Biogeochemistry    Phone: (608) 276-3816

U.S. Geological Survey                  Fax:   (608) 276-3817

6417 Normandy Lane                      i speak only for myself.

Madison, Wisconsin 53719              





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Newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Coffee and Fertility

From: wont*orr@interlog.com (Loretta)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 19:26:30 GMT

--------

In article <5f47hj$ndd@news.infoserve.net>, ford@unix.infoserve.net says...

>

>I have just seen a reference to some study done in the US (by the 

>National Institute for Environmental Health) that indicated 

>that women who drink ONE CUP of brewed coffee a day are half as likely 

>to conceive as women who drink no coffee.

>

>Anyone know anything about this?  I only drink one cup a day myself, and 

>I'd hate to give that up - I thought I was being very moderate.



I drank at least two cups a day while trying to conceive both of mine

(one 20 months, the other due in Oct 97). Both were conceived in three

months or less. You never know:)



Loretta







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Newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Coffee and Fertility

From: Randy & Lori Alliani <alliani@flash.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 22:22:13 -0600

--------

Loretta wrote:

> 

> In article <5f47hj$ndd@news.infoserve.net>, ford@unix.infoserve.net says...

> >

> >I have just seen a reference to some study done in the US (by the

> >National Institute for Environmental Health) that indicated

> >that women who drink ONE CUP of brewed coffee a day are half as likely

> >to conceive as women who drink no coffee.

> >

> >Anyone know anything about this?  I only drink one cup a day myself, and

> >I'd hate to give that up - I thought I was being very moderate.

> 

> I drank at least two cups a day while trying to conceive both of mine

> (one 20 months, the other due in Oct 97). Both were conceived in three

> months or less. You never know:)

> 

> Loretta



Is it the caffine?  I drink iced tea like there's no tomorrow, and I've

had two "accidents", while on the pill!  Granted, I love them dearly,

but if the caffine makes you half as likely to concieve, then I had

better make sure I drink a lot of tea!  I can't afford to feed any more

kids!! :~)



Lori









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Newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Coffee and Fertility

From: Nathalie Chiva <Nathalie.Chiva@CI.unil.ch>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 05:28:12 +0100

--------

Kathryn Ford wrote:

> 

> I have just seen a reference to some study done in the US (by the

> National Institute for Environmental Health) that indicated

> that women who drink ONE CUP of brewed coffee a day are half as likely

> to conceive as women who drink no coffee.

> 

> Anyone know anything about this?  I only drink one cup a day myself, and

> I'd hate to give that up - I thought I was being very moderate.



I tend to distrust the kind of study that comes out of the blue and

establishes correlations like that. I majored in mathematics, and I know

that in statistical analysis you can find a positive correlation betwwen

almost any two facts...

FYI, I drink 2 cups of strong italian expresso per day, and I conceived

twice within 2 months of trying... 



Nathalie Chiva

Informatique administrative UNIL

Switzerland



Nathalie.Chiva@CI.unil.ch





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Newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Coffee and Fertility

From: denise wolf <dwolf@genome.lbl.gov>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:59:28 -0800

--------

A couple of weeks ago I was at a biotech conference and met

a geneticist who told me that the studies that find a connection

between caffeine and subfertility (and miscarriage) are fatally

flawed.   He said that the real culprit is smoking, and that

it is the correlation between coffee drinking and smoking (apparently

not taken into account in the studies) that resulted in a 

faulty conclusion.  But then again, this guy tortures rats

for a living.



-Denise





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Newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Coffee and Fertility

From: Spiros Triantafyllopoulos <strianta@primenet.com>

Date: 27 Feb 1997 21:32:05 -0700

--------

denise wolf <dwolf@genome.lbl.gov> wrote:

: A couple of weeks ago I was at a biotech conference and met

: a geneticist who told me that the studies that find a connection

: between caffeine and subfertility (and miscarriage) are fatally

: flawed.   He said that the real culprit is smoking, and that

: it is the correlation between coffee drinking and smoking (apparently

: not taken into account in the studies) that resulted in a 

: faulty conclusion.  But then again, this guy tortures rats

: for a living.



A similar link was found between coffee and heart disease, and

laughed away in a similar manner... I've seen a few references to

it in 'what NOT to do in statistics' in my wife's textbooks.



Spiros

--

at home in Central Indiana | software engineer (Tools/C/Unix/X11/Motif/GUIs)

www.primenet.com/~strianta | grad student,human factors engineering,Purdue U

strianta@primenet.com      | "Reading, 'Rithmetic, and Readnews since 1983"





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Newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Coffee and Fertility

From: Agnes Vojta <vojta@tmfs.mpgfk.tu-dresden.de>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:23:06 -0800

--------

denise wolf wrote:

> He said that the real culprit is smoking, and that

> it is the correlation between coffee drinking and smoking (apparently

> not taken into account in the studies) that resulted in a

> faulty conclusion.  



Sounds very plausible - smoking is known to be detrimental to fertility,

and smoking and coffee often go hand in hand.

Another factor might be that people who drink lots of coffee often have

very stressful and hectic lives, which might also contribute to the

results.

Anecdotal evidence:

I was a regular coffee drinker (2-3 cups/day) before I got pregnant and

conceived in the fourth month of trying ( we had a long distance

relationship and are not sure whether we got the timing right the first

three months, though)

So my advice to Kathy would be: just enjoy your coffee and see what

happens. If it turns out you have trouble conceiving you can always quit

then.

Agnes

due 4/22





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Newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Coffee and Fertility

From: news <nash@nc5.infi.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:24:11 -0800

--------

Agnes Vojta wrote:



> So my advice to Kathy would be: just enjoy your coffee and see what

> happens. If it turns out you have trouble conceiving you can always quit

> then.

> Agnes

> due 4/22





A couple of months ago I interviewed a woman from LaLeche League and mentioned to her 

that I was getting ready to start "trying".  She advised me to get off the coffee.  Now. 

 As someone who has to be at work practically in the middle of the night, of course I 

didn't!!!  After reading some of these posts, I'm encouraged that I'm probably not 

screwing anything up by continuing to drink my 3-4 cups a day!!  Thanks!





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Newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Coffee and Fertility

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 28 Feb 1997 07:42:06 -0700

--------

ford@unix.infoserve.net (Kathryn Ford) wrote:



>I have just seen a reference to some study done in the US (by the 

>National Institute for Environmental Health) that indicated 

>that women who drink ONE CUP of brewed coffee a day are half as likely 

>to conceive as women who drink no coffee.

  It depends on whether the coffee is drunk after a night of wild

passion or not.  Cups of coffee drunk after abandoned debauches

are totally ineffective at preventing conception.



>Anyone know anything about this?  I only drink one cup a day myself, and 

>I'd hate to give that up - I thought I was being very moderate.

  Coffee has been implicated and exonerated in so many studies

that I have lost count!  I would not believe any study until the

results were repeated, had several thousand participants, and a

monitored diet.

Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | http://www.writepage.com

(the real place to e-mail)| Genre Fiction Publicity

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Stevia help

From: allegra <allegra@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:01:48 -0800

--------

Can anyone tell me a GOOD brand of stevia to buy??  I have bought the

green powder and a bottle of liquid stevia (by Planetary Formulas) and

both are HORRIBLE.  It's enough to make a person use nutrasweet.  There

must be a brand out there that actually tastes (at least) decent.  Any

help would be appreciated.



Allegra





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia help

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:19:21 -0500

--------

allegra wrote:

> 

> Can anyone tell me a GOOD brand of stevia to buy??  I have bought the

> green powder and a bottle of liquid stevia (by Planetary Formulas) and

> both are HORRIBLE.  It's enough to make a person use nutrasweet.  There

> must be a brand out there that actually tastes (at least) decent.  Any

> help would be appreciated.

> 

> Allegra



The steviocide is good after you get used to the taste. It looks like

nutrasweet or saccharin but is much safer. But it is still not in the

original plant form, which is good for putting in tea. How it is made a

don't have a clue.

Susan





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Smelly Feet

From: Ted Lewis <pfi@ezaccess.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:46:54 -0500

--------

Hi Folks,



My 15 year old boy has very smelly feet. He bathes everyday and changes

socks every day. We've tried off the shelf powders etc. Threw out his

old shoes. 



Any old cures out there?



Pennsylvania PU





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smelly Feet

From: Randy & Lori Alliani <alliani@flash.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 22:28:26 -0600

--------

Ted Lewis wrote:

> 

> Hi Folks,

> 

> My 15 year old boy has very smelly feet. He bathes everyday and changes

> socks every day. We've tried off the shelf powders etc. Threw out his

> old shoes.

> 

> Any old cures out there?

> 

> Pennsylvania PU



My step mother says to store the shoes in the freezer.  I don't know if

it works, I really didn't want to take the chance of my lasagne tasting

like my husband's workboots!!



Also, my mother in law has a similar problem.  She fixed it by wearing

only WHITE cotton socks, and I think she used baking soda to help keep

her feed dry.  But she swears it's the socks that made the difference.



Good luck!

	Lori









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Smelly Feet

From: aprilw@inforamp.net (April)

Date: 28 Feb 1997 14:53:38 GMT

--------

Yup.  Boyfriend has the same problem.  Try using Tea Tree Oil.  (A couple of 

drops in some alcohol or witch hazel) and dab onto feet esp. between toes.)  

There is also commercial creams available in the health food stores that 

contain CALENDULA and zinc.  This seems to help as well.



Try to stay away from man-made footwear (i.e. not leather) as vinyl, etc. 

seems to make the problem worse.  So do synthetic socks.  Keep to cotton.



In article <33165EEA.4CF4@flash.net>,

   Randy & Lori Alliani <alliani@flash.net> wrote:

>Ted Lewis wrote:

>> 

>> Hi Folks,

>> 

>> My 15 year old boy has very smelly feet. He bathes everyday and changes

>> socks every day. We've tried off the shelf powders etc. Threw out his

>> old shoes.

>> 

>> Any old cures out there?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Evening Primrose Oil

From: Bridget Brewer <brew6482@uidaho.edu>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:09:03 -0800

--------

I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about the healing

properties of Evening Primrose Oil and hyperactivity in children.  I

would appreciate any and all informatin on this subject. Thank you in

advance.



B.Brewer

brew6482@uidaho.edu





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tense muscles-help please--Kava Kava!

From: cheezease@aol.com (CheezEase)

Date: 27 Feb 1997 21:17:41 GMT

--------

Kava Kava is a magical muscle relaxant!.

-Rev. MeO





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Addendum to BE CAREFUL!!!!

From: lsaegert@sprynet.com (lsaegert)

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 22:48:50 GMT

--------

It was offered to me today that if I returned the book I would get a full

refund. I said that I NEED the book and do not want to return it, but want

it explained to me as to whay I was charged double. 

Linda Saegert

Searching:

Denemark/Denmark, Malkan, Silverstein, Saegert

From Augustow, Poland, Minsk, and Sczcuczyn, Poland





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Ginko biloba dosage vs. potency

From: TRI COMPONENT <suzy@intersessions.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:30:40 -0800

--------

if the ginko is in capsule form containing a green powder it is not an 

extract, but the ground up leaf and not that potent.  Beware of 

unscrupulous distributors!







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Avena Sativa

From: Robert Farrell <MAGILLA@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 22:01:29 -0500

--------

I purchased some capsules from a large distributer in my area and I only

found them to be effective when taken in large dosages.]

I would like to Know if anyone could recommend a brand that contains a

standardized extract.

Thanks for the input.

BOB





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Thanks

From: downtown@mail.utexas.edu (Neena Michael)

Date: 28 Feb 1997 03:44:53 GMT

--------

Thanks to everyone who so quickly offered help after my plea for relief of

stressed muscles.  Along with meditation and other relaxation techniques, 

all the advice is proving helpful.  Thanks again.



Neena





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: False Unicorn Root

From: jontrigo@aol.com (JONTRIGO)

Date: 28 Feb 1997 07:36:50 GMT

--------

I am hoping someone can give me any information, either personal or

professional on this herb.  I understand it is normally used by women but

that is about all of the information I can find on it.

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.





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To: JONTRIGO <jontrigo@aol.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: False Unicorn Root

From: Christopher Hargett <chargett@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:52:26 -0500

--------

JONTRIGO wrote:

> 

> I am hoping someone can give me any information, either personal or

> professional on this herb.  I understand it is normally used by women but

> that is about all of the information I can find on it.

> Any information would be appreciated.

> Thanks in advance.



JONTRIGO,



From "The Unauthorized Guide to NSP Products":



False unicorn has been used to improve fertility, help prevent

miscarriage and to ease the nausea of morning Sickness during pregnancy.

Especially recommended where there is a "heavy dragging feeling" in the

lower abdomen.  As a balancing, regulating herb, it can ease menstrual

cramps and bleeding as well as improve delayed or absent menstruation.

It is also used by men for impotence and prostate problems. False

unicorn supplies rare trace minerals including sulfur, copper, cadmium

and cobalt. An unexpected benefit is false unicorn's ability to treat

worms and other parasites. Especially large doses can induce nausea and

vomiting so use with caution during pregnancy.



Harg





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Using Fresh Echinacea

From: Mick <sbridger@netlink.com.au>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:17:14 +1000

--------

I currently have a supply of fresh Echinacea.P but do not know the best

way to use it in this form.

I have visited the Medicinal Herb FAQ site, but this does not cover the

use of fresh Echinacea. Could somebody please advise me



Thanks

Mick.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Using Fresh Echinacea

From: ccjs@cse.bris.ac.uk (J. G. Simpson)

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:40:48 GMT

--------

I dry mine (well washed seed tray, slice lengthways/chop bigger

pieces of root, cover tray with paper, put on top of deep freeze.

Warm air from coils very good for quickly and gently drying the

root, paper protects from light and dust, wash root thoroughly

first.  When dry cut finer and then reduce in coffee mill. Method

also works for Burdock.  I store in jars with dessicant (silica

gel) to ensure all moisture drawn out of herb.



Retail herb may have been on shelf for some years after harvesting,

and unsympathetically dried with hot air.  Home grown better.



Doubt if undried root would keep any better than say celery,

carrot or any other vegetable, and it's a herb you take in response

to infection, not because it's in season or just because it's

available.





Mick (sbridger@netlink.com.au) wrote:

: I currently have a supply of fresh Echinacea.P but do not know the best

: way to use it in this form.

: I have visited the Medicinal Herb FAQ site, but this does not cover the

: use of fresh Echinacea. Could somebody please advise me

: 

: Thanks

: Mick.

: 



-- 

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



-------------





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To: sbridger@netlink.com.au

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Using Fresh Echinacea

From: Christopher Hargett <chargett@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:14:03 -0500

--------

Mick wrote:

> 

> I currently have a supply of fresh Echinacea.P but do not know the best

> way to use it in this form.

> I have visited the Medicinal Herb FAQ site, but this does not cover the

> use of fresh Echinacea. Could somebody please advise me

> 

> Thanks

> Mick.



Mick,



The plant should be at 2 years old before harvesting and the root is the

best and most potent part of the plant.  Consequently, infusion is not

the 

best method of preparation. Use a decoction for short term use or make a

tincture for long term.  



Harg





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: germ protect hand cream

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:04:27 -0500

--------

It seems that hand creams that have germ protection are becoming

popular. Does anyone know what they are made of, and if they really

work?  Is the information going around know that many contagious

diseases are transmitted by touch, valid? With all the fear of germs

flying around these days people are easily coerced into believing that

this is will protect them against colds and flus and other diseases. It

certainly is helping to sell the product. I would like to add something

to creams that I make myself. Does anyone have any suggestions? Would

Tea Tre oil be too drying?



TIA Susan





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: gout remedies?

From: jdist@mindspring.com (John)

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:19:34 GMT

--------

Anyone have any gout remedies for sufferes?    Thanks a bunch!



Feona







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Asthma with a catch

From: earth2us <earth2us@prodigy.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:20:39 -0700

--------

Hi all,



I read with great interest the "herbs for asthma" thread.  Thanks to all

for your suggestions.  In the past I have used pycnogenol, schizandra

and Ma Huang or ephedra with other teas for attacks.  I had practically

declared myself asthma free for several years.



Well, it's baaaack.  I can't exactly trace why, but a subtle exposure to

cats (my severe allergy) must have done it.  This time there's a catch. 

As soon as my lungs began to tighten up my blood pressure went through

the roof.  170/120  (and I'm a 36 year old female)



No Ma Huang this time, or caffeine (which I don't use anyway) or

albuterol or any of my asthma meds.  My doctor wanted to give me

prednisone and I said no thanks so he's given me a new puffer (Vanceril)

that has a topical steroid in it.  It will not help short term, just

long term maintenance.  I am suffering the effects of the high blood

pressure and trying to be patient and hope in a week or so the asthma

regulates itself.  (not easy to do)



I'm taking garlic in large doses, still the pycnogenol, collodial

minerals, multi-vitamins, and a fiber drink for cleansing.  I don't have

any schizandra but this group reminded me of that just today so I'll get

some more.



Any thoughts?  Every asthmatic knows that hot jalapenos or caffeine are

your best friends during an attack.  But what if you can't risk

increasing your heart rate???



Thanks,



Earthmom





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.consumers.frugal.living

Subject: Naural Termite Solutions?

From: Xina <xina@netins.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:50:35 -0600

--------

This past fall I encountered what looked like a winged ant, I was told

by a friend that it was a termite.  Living in a log house, thats not a

good thing.  This is the first year I have seen these bloody things, and

REALLY dont want to have to resort to an exterminator with his poisonous

and very expensive solutions.



Could anyone suggest something herbally or less toxic that would be a

solution?



Thanks to all in advance



Christina





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: epilepsy and herbs

From: david@gdp34.demon.co.uk (David Tregellas)

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 97 18:07:09 GMT

--------

Hi,



I know there is no cure for epilepsy but is there a herb that can make a 

sufferer feel better.



I refer to a "feeling of blackness" mainly.  I can't describe it in any other 

way because I'm not the sufferer and simply pass on the expression as told to 

me.



Any suggestions please.



 --David 

 







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Night classes & longterm memory - help please

From: "A. Guidi" <aguidi@u.washington.edu>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:11:11 -0800

--------

I have heard that Ginko Biloba is great at stimulating the memory and

neural activity in general, but that it is very expensive and that it can

encourage sleeplessness (which is also a problem i have).  If it really

works, and if anyone could suggest a schedule or dosage that might lessen

the sleepless effect, then it would be worth the money.  Could anyone

please share insight with me about this or other herbal memory enhancers?

The only herbal remedies i take on a regular basis (not counting vitamins)

are astragalus/echinacea when fighting a cold or homeopathic chamomilia

when fighting sleeplessness.



I get up every morning at 6:30 a.m. and am going back to night school to

study introductory economics, a subject that my mind easily wanders away

from when i'm tired after a long day at work.  It is essential that i

learn this stuff and store it in my longterm memory, because i am taking

it to prepare for the written foreign service exam in February 1998.  It

isn't just a question of cramming for an exam next week.  In general, i

will be reading an awful lot this year (poli sci, history, geography), all

on top of a full work schedule.  I have lists of suggested reading from

the State Dept Web page.  Now what i need are strategies to help me stay

focused while reading and to remember what i've read. 



Thank you very, very much in advance to anyone who responds.







