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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: History of Medical Herbology

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:41:13 -0700 (PDT)

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Hello HerbInfo;



I found this particular, interesting, post on another discussion group 

which I belong to.



Any thoughts/comments/additional info??



Sam Brooks

sbrooks@earthlink.net



the following is taken from Michael Tierra's Planetary Herbology 1988 Lotus

Press, and is given as part of my offer to discuss the early history of

herbals and pharmaceuticals in the US. I may be enticed to provide more

information at a later date. Please privately email me on this matter unless

it pertains to the entire group.



'The 19th and early 20th century eclectic herbalists of North America evolved

a less esoteric system of differential diagnosis that stressed the treatment

of the whole person rather than only of specific diseases. they integrated

the medicine and science of their day with the use of hundreds of herbs,

mainly from the Native American tradition. It is unfortunate that the

contribution made by the American eclectic herbalists, homeopathic medicine

and lay midwifery has been devalued by the medical monopoly of the

allopathically-supported American Medical Assn. In 1907, Andrew Carnegie and

John D. Rockefeller commissioned a man named Flexnor to investigate hospital

and schools in order to advise them on investments in American medicine.

Flexnor's report found that the heroic doctors, whose heroism consisted in

the free use of surgery, would best represent the development of industrial

technology and would provide the greatest profit to his sponsors. With this

financial support, allopathic medicine began to flourish. Wihtin a few years,

well established Eclectic medicinal schools, herbal pharmaceutical companies,

schools for midwifery, medical schools for black doctors disappeared owing to

lack of funding. Herbalism was so denigrated that medical doctors of the

1930s were ashmed to admit their knowledge and use of traditional herbal

remedies. Powerful opponents of herbalism were the financially booming

chemical drug companies. They had discovered how lucrative exclusive patent

rights on synthetic drug medicines could be. Herbalists, on the other hand,

employed substances that could be found and used by anyone.'



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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: History of Medical Herbology

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 23:31:46 -0400 (EDT)

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In a message dated 97-07-01 12:14:20 EDT, sbrooks@earthlink.net (Sam Brooks)

writes:



<<  Powerful opponents of herbalism were the financially booming

 chemical drug companies. They had discovered how lucrative exclusive patent

 rights on synthetic drug medicines could be. Herbalists, on the other hand,

 employed substances that could be found and used by anyone.' >>



Interesting, Sam. Thanks for sharing.



I have a question that's been bugging me for some time now. I also subscribe

to the medicinal herbs list (but I'm afraid to ask this question there,

LOL!), and much of the discussions about standardizing herbal extracts and

whole-herb vs. extract got me to thinking.



ASIDE from the question of patents, what is the difference between an active

substance derived from herbs and an active substance derived through other

methods? Additionally, many pharmaceutical companies develop their drugs from

substances isolated from plants (example: the anti-cancer drug Taxol, which

comes from the Pacific yew). So (again, aside from the question of profit and

patents) why are so many herbalists so vehemently against *allopathic* drugs?

What does "allopathic" mean, anyway, exactly? I know it is used to refer to

the Western style of medicine taught in most medical schools in the USA --

but what is its derivation? And why is there such antipathy between

*allopaths* and herbalists?



It seems to me that an active substance is an active substance, regardless of

its derivation. It might be cheaper and easier to get it from a plant you

grow in your back yard -- but that doesn't make the action of the substance

any *better* or *worse* than the stuff you get in the drug store. Or does

it?????



If these questions are silly, forgive me. I'm a novice to the world of herbs.

I also happen to be married to an MD, so perhaps that will explain where I'm

starting from. If  these questions don't belong on this list, forgive me

again, and let me know where I can go to get RATIONAL (not emotional)

answers. I hope I haven't opened a can of worms!!!



Thanks everyone.

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: History of Medical Herbology

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1987 15:24:46 GMT

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On Tue, 1 Jul 1997 23:31:46 -0400 (EDT), DomMana@aol.com wrote to

HerbInfo@bolis.com:



>ASIDE from the question of patents, what is the difference between an active

>substance derived from herbs and an active substance derived through other

>methods? 



The energy of the plant derived substance, in the whole plant.



Plants can make chemicals in infinitely more complex ways than chemists can.

They have been at it for millions more years.



Chemists can perhaps -make- caffeine (and other substances) from scratch, but

mostly they build on substances that are already there. And those delicate,

convoluted almost-thru-the fourth-dimension molecular bonds break, and rebond in

a much simpler way: the ways chemists use to get at pure constituents are very

harsh: to get caffeine you put strong tea into acid, then base, acid, base,

throw in some lead, add acid, base... what's left is your caffeine, but not

quite the same as what you had in the plant, even if all the atoms are there.



>Additionally, many pharmaceutical companies develop their drugs from

>substances isolated from plants (example: the anti-cancer drug Taxol, which

>comes from the Pacific yew). So (again, aside from the question of profit and

>patents) why are so many herbalists so vehemently against *allopathic* drugs?



I'm not sure that herbalists are against allopathic drugs; I'm sure any

herbalist will take his/her insulin if he/she needs it.



However, there are some considerations with pharmaceutical products:



- simple things, like caffeine: there is always residue. 

After extracting caffeine from tea in pharmacognosy lab (some years ago now) I

have wondered how the factories make their decaf coffee... not that I touched

that stuff before, but I sure won't do it now. 



- dangerous and variable things, like Digitalis: the dosage in the plant matter

isn't reliable, and so pure digitoxin or digitalin (some of the alkaloids from

Digitalis sp.), which work (a lot of single constituents won't do squat without

the rest of the plant around them!), the dose can be made very precise and

reliable, and it's better -as a drug- than the plant itself.

Herbalists usually don't fool around with highly toxic plants like Digitalis

anyway, leaving them to the MD:s. (there are other considerations with

Digitalis: the effect and toxicity treshold are both dependent on the vitality

of the patient; and if the vitality suddenly goes down, so should the dosis or

the patient will die; but MD:s all know this, as do pharmacognosists.)



- pharmaceutical companies do their best to patent the plant extracts they make.





This has two consequences:

1) they try to get rid of competition by trying to sway the legislation so that

anything of that plant except their product is considered too dangerous for the

general public, and should not be sold except on doctor's orders, or at least

not outside of pharmacies.

Did I tell you that it's illegal to sell pumpkin seeds anywhere but in

pharmacies in Finland? Nobody buys them, of course, as pharmacies don't carry it

(who'd go ask for salted pumpkin seeds from a pharmacy??), and if they do, the

markup is so high that it's not worth it ('Let's get some honeyed sunflower

seeds instead, dear...'). 

I've asked 'why?' but haven't received an answer. I -think- it's because pumkin

seeds -work- for benign prostatic hyperplasia. Out goes the competition...



2) they try to assure everybody involved that their pure constituent is better

than the plant matter; this is usually not true, and herbalists DO take offense

to that.



Especially as pharmabusiness throws a lot of money into advertising. None of the

herbalists I know have any money (but as one of them put it 'we've got plant sap

in our veins'), thus we cannot counter the ads.



>What does "allopathic" mean, anyway, exactly? I know it is used to refer to

>the Western style of medicine taught in most medical schools in the USA --

>but what is its derivation? 



Pass. But tell me, why is herbal medicine considered 'new age' by some? It's

been around for lots longer than the real new age medicine, which is what MD's

learn at universities.



>And why is there such antipathy between *allopaths* and herbalists?



There isn't, really, except for childish individuals in both camps.



Thing is, university-trained MD's don't -usually- recognize other medical

professions than university-trained MD's, unless they have been exposed to the

other medical professions. Prejudice at work.



MD's are there for emergency surgery and pathologies.

What herbalists can do is do something about imbalances before they turn into

pathologies, with herbs and lifestyle changes.



I hope above clarified some of the matter, even if somewhat long-winded and

perhaps indirectly. Take care, and thanks for the interesting questions,



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: History of Medical Herbology

From: AndreaRdr@aol.com

Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:11:19 -0400 (EDT)

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Hi, Anne --



I'm hardly an expert on this myself, but I've done a lot of reading over the

last few months, and I think your question is right on target.  I seem to

recall in a few of my readings that herbalists believe quite strongly (and I

think there are some studies backing this), that in many cases it is the

action of the whole herb -- not just its active constituent, that has the

healing effect -- that in some cases you are rendering the herb useless when

you isolate and use only the active ingredient.  And I believe one of the

studies they point to was a study of beta-carotene on lung cancer patients.

 The conclusion of the study was that beta-carotene was useless, but

naturopaths pointed out that the study was flawed because one could not use

JUST the active ingredient, but needed all of the constituents in the plant

so that the active ingredient could synthesize properly in the body (don't

flame me if I don't have this 100 percent right -- I've got the gist of it, I

think, and I'm doing it from memory).



It seems, from the reading I've done, that there are two armed camps -- one

advocating complete natural healing and the other in the "medical

establishment" ready to debunk anything naturopathic as quackery. I hope that

there can be some meeting of the minds somewhere in the middle because both

naturopathic and allopathic medicine truly have their place in health care.



Just my $.02



-A  





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: History of Medical Herbology

From: DomMana@AOL.COM

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 12:09:25 -0400 (EDT)

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In a message dated 97-07-03 04:10:54 EDT, AndreaRdr@aol.com writes:



<<  I hope that

 there can be some meeting of the minds somewhere in the middle because both

 naturopathic and allopathic medicine truly have their place in health care.

  >>

Thank you for a reasoned and reasonable response! You have stated something

that I, too, have come to believe over the past few months...



<<In a message dated 97-07-03 06:24:43 EDT, HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

writes:



<< MD's are there for emergency surgery and pathologies.

 What herbalists can do is do something about imbalances before they turn

into

 pathologies, with herbs and lifestyle changes. >>>>



Yes, it seems to me that the two *could* balance each other quite nicely.

Thank you, Henriette, for your wise explanation. 

(BTW, I can't believe you can't buy pumpkin seeds!!! What about pumpkins? Do

they not allow you to then roast and salt your own seeds???? *Pumpkins* as a

*regulated* substance! Hah!!)



~~Anne





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To: "'HerbInfo@bolis.com'" <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: RE: HerbInfo: History of Medical Herbology

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:58:02 -0500

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Allopathy is defined in the New Websters dictionary as"  The method of treating disease by the use of agents producting effects different from those of the disease treated: opposed to homeopathy."   From the Greek allos, other and pathos, morbid condition.    



Also, in botany, a plant which has a chemical which inhibits the growth of others is refered to as allopathic.  Examples are black walnut and fennel.  The roots of both of these give off chemicals which prevent the growth of all but a few plants( these have formed tolerances).  If you grow fennel you will notice a circle of clear space around the base of mature plants.



KB





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: History of Medical Herbology

From: DomMana@AOL.COM

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 20:08:54 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-03 17:10:42 EDT, kbensin@mail.state.tn.us (Kathryn

Bensinger) writes:



<< Allopathy is defined in the New Websters dictionary as"  The method of

treating disease by the use of agents producting effects different from those

of the disease treated: opposed to homeopathy."   From the Greek allos, other

and pathos, morbid condition.   >>

Ahhhhh.... thank you! I understand now. :-)

~~Anne





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Interesting article

From: Katpaw <pbignell@mb.sympatico.ca>

Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 08:14:33 -0700

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I recently read an article in a magazine called Herbs for Health, -

the July/August edition (p18) which said, if you will allow me to 

paraphrase, that researchers from the Museum of New Mexico in Santa 

Fe had found two woven baskets hidden in some rocks.  The baskets are 

believed to date to the 16th century.  The baskets were filled with 

dried and bundled plant material and roots.



The researchers had been able to identify at least 26 of these non-

edible plants.  Included in the mix were wild iris and jimson weed,

potentially toxic plants, and osha root (a multipurpose medicine),

silvery scurf pea (used as a deoderant)and gayfeather (a treatment for 

throat ailments).



That is fascinating to me, but it stops too soon.  I'd love to be able 

to find out exactly what the other herbs were.  Can anybody help me?



Apparently the initial article was in the 'Science News'.



Area of find was Galisteo Basin, southeast of Santa Fe.



TIA



Pauline



Herbs for Health is the sister magazine to the Herb Companion, and is 

published by InterWeave Press.





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Ashwaganda and Chinese Privet

From: Karoly Veress <kveress@freenet.npiec.on.ca>

Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 20:32:42 -0400 (EDT)

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I need some advice ;both plants Ashwaganda (Withania somnifera) and

Chinese Privet (Ligustrum lucidum), are growing proudly and healthily in

my garden. I just don't have been able to find much information about

properties and usage. The only information I found was in Richter's

catalogue. So, please...

Thanks,

Margot







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To: herb@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr, herbinfo@bolis.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,bionet.plants

Subject: HerbInfo: More pics on my site

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 08:34:17 GMT

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Just went thru checking the links - 52 more Finnish pics available onsite.



One of them is an eye teaser: finding Drosera in Sphagnum moss? Almost

impossible - try it for yourself! One possible solution included.



Do you want to see the differences between Equisetum arvense, E.pratense,

E.palustre, and E.sylvatica? Or perhaps how Viola tricolor is different from

V.mirabilis, V.canina or V.palustre? Also featured are a dandelion meadow, some

nice landscape pics from a brook in spring, and spring shoots of Picea abies and

Pinus sylvestris... and lots more.



The descriptions are here:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/finland.html - all the new pics are

marked 'new'; thumbnails available too if you want to have a look at ten pics a

click (the thumbnail pages do not come equipped with descriptions, just

thumbnails and links to the larger pics).



The pics (not the description (yet), nor the thumbnails) are also available in

my ftp space (see .sig).



Other New Stuff onsite: 

- I've downloaded all of Michael's new stuff to the ftp mirror

- and I've been upgrading the neat stuff pages somewhat, but not too much (yet).



Having fun

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Codex Links (ban'ed Herbs)

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:27:05 -0700 (PDT)

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Hi All,



As you may or may not be aware, there is a move afoot, on an

international basis, to regulate herbs and nutritional supplements.



Canada's proposed legislation has been put on hold for a year due

to a large public outcry, as in, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going

to take it any more!"



I would imagine that this thing will appear at our doorstep in the

not too far distant future.  Time to read up, get prepared and

DO SOMETHING.



Codex compliance is linked to the GATT treaty and countries

like Germany and Canada appear to be falling in line.  In Germany,

you need a prescription to buy most of what we get in our U.S.

health food stores.  You should educate yourself about this issue

because it's bound to come up in the U.S before long since we also

signed GATT.  Some web sites found earlier on the issue:

 

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/97/02/05/pprt_y0022_1.html

http://www.quickcom.net/csom/html/codex.html

http://www.citizens.org/citz2.htm

http://www.tasinc.com/codexrpt.htm

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~at739/anticodex.html

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/hammell/index.html

http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/freedom/index.html

http://www.lef.org/fda/fda.htm

http://feustel.mixi.net/NEWS/hammell.htm

http://www.techmgmt.com/restore/codex.htm

http://www.kalamark.com/Kal_Dir/codex.html

http://nw3.nai.net/~lesadek/who.txt

http://www.aegis.com/aegis/news/lt1997/LT970108.html



Sam Brooks

HerbInfo List

sbrooks@earthlink.net

*In Southern California, "Where the Ground moves and the traffic doesn't"*







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: HerbInfo List Membership Stats

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:30:55 -0700 (PDT)

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Current subscribers:

Summary for herbinfo taken on Sun Jul  6 00:10:15 1997

17	com	(USA)

15	net	(USA)

5	ca	(Canada)

2	edu	(USA)

2	org	(USA)

1	au	(Australia)

1	fi	(Finland)

1	it	(Italy)

1	us	(USA)

herbinfo: 37 US subscribers from 5 groups

herbinfo: 8 international subscribers from 4 countries

herbinfo: 45 subscribers in all



Summary for herbinfo-digest taken on Sun Jul  6 00:10:16 1997

10	com	(USA)

5	net	(USA)

2	edu	(USA)

1	ca	(Canada)

1	org	(USA)

herbinfo-digest: 18 US subscribers from 4 groups

herbinfo-digest: 1 international subscribers from 1 countries

herbinfo-digest: 19 subscribers in all







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Posting to the list

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:29:54 -0700 (PDT)

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Hello List Members;



It has been pointed out that I omitted a significant bit of information

in the "welcome" file.



You may post to the list by sending your messages to:



                  herbinfo@bolis.com



My apologies.



Sam

sbrooks@earthlink.net

HerbInfo List









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To: "herbinfo" <herbinfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: Re-  Introduction

From: "Joyce Beattie" <joyce_beattie@clifton.ca>

Date: 23 Jul 1997 09:48:20 -0600

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Hi, I am new to this list.  I am married with two grown daughters but still have 2 grown dogs at home.  Here in sunny Saskatchewan it is very hot right now but thankful we do not have any humidity.  I have a herb garden that is growing beyond control and would appreciate any recipes you have that are low fat and vegetarian in which I can use all these herbs.  Also does anyone know if any of the annual herbs are volunteer plants (meaning do they reseed themselves). I will post later.

Joyce







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To: <herbinfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "TL" <t-lynn@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:11:59 -0400

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Hello all,



I am a new member and would like to ask you all if there is a good

beginners site with general info on herbs and their benefits plus dosage in

pill form. I just got some Valerian to help me sleep and licorice for my

ulcer and stomach problems and its inflammatory properties for herniated

disks. I have investigated all other forms of treatment but natural ones.

Can you tell me, too, if it is true that you have to take the pills for

weeks or even months to begin to feel the benefit? Thank you to anyone that

answers. 



Terrie,  aka t-lynn@worldnet.att.net

Digital & Photographic Artist and Web Author.

   

My Gallery: http://www.ilovelbi.com/terrie

    Arts & Culture - Toms River to AC -

http://www.ilovelbi.com/art-page.shtml

         Image 35 - Our local Camera Club - http://www.lovelbi.com/image35



~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: Lesa Brodeur <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:10:58

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>I am a new member and would like to ask you all if there is a good

>beginners site



You might do a search on 

		http://www.dopile.com

			or

		http://www.metafind.com



Also I have two books I love, DK Home Herbal by Penelope Ody, and The

Complete Book of Essential Oils and Aromatherapy, by Valerie Ann Worwood.

I have borrowed quite a few from the library that are wonderful too.



Lesa









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:48:20 -0700 (PDT)

--------

At 12:11 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Hello all,

>

>I am a new member and would like to ask you all if there is a good

>beginners site with general info on herbs and their benefits plus dosage in

>pill form.



You can always ask a specific question from the list members.

There are some very knowledgeable people among the members.



One of the best places to start is to look up Henriette Kress' website

at http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed



There's just a "ton" of information listed.  She's also on the list

so you might hear from her



HTH



Sam

HerbInfo List



>I just got some Valerian to help me sleep and licorice for my

>ulcer and stomach problems and its inflammatory properties for herniated

>disks. I have investigated all other forms of treatment but natural ones.

>Can you tell me, too, if it is true that you have to take the pills for

>weeks or even months to begin to feel the benefit? Thank you to anyone that

>answers. 

>

>Terrie,  aka t-lynn@worldnet.att.net

>Digital & Photographic Artist and Web Author.

>   

>My Gallery: http://www.ilovelbi.com/terrie

>    Arts & Culture - Toms River to AC -

>http://www.ilovelbi.com/art-page.shtml

>         Image 35 - Our local Camera Club - http://www.lovelbi.com/image35

>

>~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^

>

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:00:37 -0500

--------

At 12:11 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Hello all,

>

>I am a new member and would like to ask you all if there is a good

>beginners site with general info on herbs and their benefits plus dosage in

>pill form. I just got some Valerian to help me sleep and licorice for my

>ulcer and stomach problems and its inflammatory properties for herniated

>disks. I have investigated all other forms of treatment but natural ones.

>Can you tell me, too, if it is true that you have to take the pills for

>weeks or even months to begin to feel the benefit? Thank you to anyone that

>answers. 





HI ...



I started taking Valerian a couple of months ago to help me

get a restful sleep... it worked for me right away.. and has

continued to work ...



I know that like with anything that is natural (as opposed to

chemically altered like the Pharma Co's do) you need to take

it to have a benefit..  



However, I am sure like the Valerian with myself everyone is

different.



Questions To Everyone:::::::::\







Does Chickweed really work as an Appetite Suppessor?  And what

other properties does it have... ie vitamins etc and other

uses.





Thanks in Advance..



Best Regards,

Jennifer







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "Rhonda J. Coleman" <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:14:42 -0700

--------

Hi everyone!  I joined the list yesterday.  I thought this was a list

about gardening and cooking with herbs!  Oh well, it certainly is

interesting anyway, so I think I'll stick around a while.  Now, I've

seen a couple of threads that interest me, so I have a couple of

questions.  First, I also have a friend with gout, and any information

that would be helpful to him would be greatly appreciated.  For myself,

I am nearing that "certain age" and have all kinds of menopause

questions but I really don't want to go the route of premarin - I've

tried it and it makes my head "foggy."  At the moment, all I take is

"biotin" from GNC (for my hair), and occasionally Valerian for sleep

problems.



Thanks in advance for all your help and information!

Rhonda in West Virginia







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: Loren & Susan Bacon <bacons4@traveller.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:07:29 -0500

--------

Jennifer A. Bishop wrote:

> 

> At 12:11 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

> >Hello all,

> >

> >I am a new member and would like to ask you all if there is a good

> >beginners site with general info on herbs and their benefits plus dosage in

> >pill form. I just got some Valerian to help me sleep and licorice for my

> >ulcer and stomach problems and its inflammatory properties for herniated

> >disks. I have investigated all other forms of treatment but natural ones.

> >Can you tell me, too, if it is true that you have to take the pills for

> >weeks or even months to begin to feel the benefit? Thank you to anyone that

> >answers.

> 

> HI ...

> 

> I started taking Valerian a couple of months ago to help me

> get a restful sleep... it worked for me right away.. and has

> continued to work ...

> 

> I know that like with anything that is natural (as opposed to

> chemically altered like the Pharma Co's do) you need to take

> it to have a benefit..

> 

> However, I am sure like the Valerian with myself everyone is

> different.

> 

> Questions To Everyone:::::::::\

> 

> Does Chickweed really work as an Appetite Suppessor?  And what

> other properties does it have... ie vitamins etc and other

> uses.

> 

> Thanks in Advance..

> 

> Best Regards,

> Jennifer



Sue>> I found that getting a valerian/hops mixture works best

for when I am having trouble sleeping.  But as I have found 

over and over again each person is different, what works

for one person doesn't work at all for another.  I felt

the effects of the valerian/hops immediately but my mom

never had any noticeable effects.  Yes, sometimes I think

that it takes a long time to notice the effects of some herbs,

sometimes not.  :)

Sue





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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "TL" <t-lynn@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:30:35 -0400

--------

Sam,



Re: One of the best places to start is to look up Henriette Kress' website

at http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed



Just checked it and it looks like a great page to dig further into! Thank

you.

Terrie





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:43:19 -0700 (PDT)

--------

At 05:14 PM 7/23/97 -0700, Rhonda wrote:



>Hi everyone!  I joined the list yesterday.  I thought this was a list

>about gardening and cooking with herbs!  Oh well, it certainly is

>interesting anyway, so I think I'll stick around a while.<<SNIP>>



Hi Rhonda,



Happy to hear that you will stick around for awhile.

Actually, herbinfo deals with all aspects of herbs.

At present, the thread seems to be medicinal uses.



I'm sure that at least one or two listmembers share your interests

about gardening and cooking with herbs.  Why not step forward and

say Hi to Rhonda?



I do know of one culinary herb list.  However, it's server has been

up and down(mostly down) and there does not seem to be  much traffic.



Sam Brooks

HerbInfo List

sbrooks@earthlink.net







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:16:35 -0400

--------

I'm gardening and cooking with herbs. I have three recycling

boxes full of growing basil.,as well as peppermint, lemon balm,

evening primrose,cammomile, spearment, thyme,feverfew,

hyssopp,tarrogon,chives,lavender, lambs ear,etc pn







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "Rhonda J. Coleman" <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:41:25 -0700

--------

P.Nighswander wrote:

> 

> I'm gardening and cooking with herbs. I have three recycling

> boxes full of growing basil.,as well as peppermint, lemon balm,

> evening primrose,cammomile, spearment, thyme,feverfew,

> hyssopp,tarrogon,chives,lavender, lambs ear,etc pn



OOOOOOOOH!  I am sooo jealous!  I have started pretty small - I have 2

basils, a lemon basil and a "Valentino" basil, a sage, 3 mints

(peppermint) and a rosemary.  Currently, the basils and sage are in an

oblong "window box" planter, but I can already see that I need to

separate them.  I have used the valentino basil chopped in salads and my

"non experimental" hubby actually likes it!  I'm anxious about winter

here, and plan to bring them inside to a sunny window.  Do you have any

wintering ideas - also if you know anything about what I should do about

harvesting at the end of the growing season, that would be much

appreciated.  Next year I'd like to add some more plants.  However, I

have to be careful, because our WVa winters can be pretty bad, so I feel

that everything I grow should probably be brought inside.  Any

thoughts???

Thanks

Rhonda







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:48:34 -0400

--------

If it is a perennail it should be left outside so it will come up

next year but not outside in a raised bed or a window box.

I'm from Kingston Ontario and I have been harvesting already once

or twice so they won't flower and stop growing. The basil is an

annual so it won't grow again but you must keep it trimmed and

not let it flower or you won't have it much longer.I cut all my

peperemint last week for the second time. I noticed a couple of

purlple flowers. Peppermint the stem is like a runner and can

star more plants that way like Sweet William. Peppermint likes

lots of moisture and maybe a bit of shade. I grow it underneath

the outlet for my hose incase it drips once you get it started it

is hard to kil it. It likes compost. For drying I remove the

leaves form the stems and place it on cookie sheets turning it

when I think of it . Three or four days later I store it in a

tin.







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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "Mary Russell" <bird@scrtc.blue.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:33:05 -0500

--------

Rhonda,  I'm new too and if you want a recipe let me tell you how I cook

carrots.

It probably will scare anyone that doesn't eat sugar but  I happen to use

it.

I slice the carrots  cover them with water add about 1/2 cup or more of

sugar and 

about 6 slices of fresh ginger.  I let this cook until almost all the water

is gone.  it is gingered candied  carrots.  If you like ginger it's good

.Mary Russell      bird@scrtc.blue.net 





----------

> From: Rhonda J. Coleman <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

>

> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 7:14 PM

> 

> Hi everyone!  I joined the list yesterday.  I thought this was a list

> about gardening and cooking with herbs!  Oh well, it certainly is







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "Rhonda J. Coleman" <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:44:43 -0700

--------

Mary Russell wrote:...it is gingered candied  carrots.  If you like

ginger it's good

> .Mary Russell      bird@scrtc.blue.net



Mary - that does sound delish!  I'd love it, but I'm afraid hubby would

definitely balk at the sugar and carrots together.  He doesn't even like

candied sweet potatoes or any "food" that has sugar.  Sugar is for

dessert - not "food."  Ah men!  

Do you grow your own ginger or purchase it in the store?

Thanks

Rhonda

> 

> ----------

> > From: Rhonda J. Coleman <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 7:14 PM

> >

> > Hi everyone!  I joined the list yesterday.  I thought this was a list

> > about gardening and cooking with herbs!  Oh well, it certainly is







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: Dara Laraway <dara@epix.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:09:41 -0500

--------

> > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 7:14 PM

> >

> > Hi everyone!  I joined the list yesterday.  I thought this was a 

>>list

> > about gardening and cooking with herbs! 





Hello all,



I also joined the list yesterday !!  From my mail this morning, it seems 

like yesterday was the day !!

I live in Zone 5 and have grown herbs for three years now.....some I 

use, some I just love to look at and walk on (thyme for instance).  This 

has not been a good herb year for me because alot seem to have aquired 

what I believe to be rust.  I live ontop of a shale mountain, so most of 

my gardening is in pots, containers and raised beds.  I'm glad to be 

here and hope my time will allow me to contribute every once in awhile. 

 My computer is at work and I only have access on Mon-Fri 9-5, so I am 

somewhat limited.  Can't wait to get one at home..........soon I hope!!

I'm looking forward to all this new knowledge!!

Dara









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:53:06 -0500

--------

At 03:43 PM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:

>At 05:14 PM 7/23/97 -0700, Rhonda wrote:

<<SNIP>>

>

>Hi Rhonda,

>

Welcome to the list Rhonda...  I love to cook and love to

garden... I would love to start growing my own herbs..  

However, I think they are little harder to grow and

maintain than Day Lilies and Daisies..  And we

have a very short growing season here in Manitoba, Canada

and very I repeat very hard winters.



But, I have a very good source for dried herbs here at

my Health Food Store I would love to share with ppl

who have receipes for fresh herbs especially 

salads... yummy... they can get boring here in the

Winter..



I have been searching the Internet a bit looking for

them... not much out there that I know of..



Anyway Rhonda... jump in.. lets have some fun..

this is turning out to be a 'great' list..



Take Care..



Best Regards,

Jennifer

===







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:26:30 -0400

--------

Some herbs are just as hardy as diasies and day lilies, like most

of them even for Saskatchewan.Peppermint and most of its family

members like lemon balm, bergamont, spearment are very hardy

peppement more than spearment. Evening primrose only take four

inches deep of soil and is very hardy once it gets growing.  I

grew it to fight burdocks cause I figured anything was better

than burdock. Thyme, hyssop, tarragon sage, oregano once you get

then growing it is hard to kill them. They come up every year.pn







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:57:19 -0500

--------

At 07:16 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I'm gardening and cooking with herbs. I have three recycling

>boxes full of growing basil.,as well as peppermint, lemon balm,

>evening primrose,cammomile, spearment, thyme,feverfew,

>hyssopp,tarrogon,chives,lavender, lambs ear,etc pn







Most Interesting...  



I grow, Lavender and Lambs ear as ornamental plants in

my garden... never even thought about them as herbs.. just

as quite beautiful to look at...



How do you use them... and are they a special variety?



Got any recipes you might like to share?



Best Regards,

Jennifer







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:29:51 -0400

--------

Lavender can be used as a tea to fight depression apparently. You

can also eat it in salads, make sachets. The lambs ear I got by

accident. It was mislabeled at the store as a type of lavender.

It is a memember of the mint family and so far I think it is more

ornamental thatn useful but since it is of the mint family I

classify it as an herb. pn







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:02:25 -0500

--------

I am going to try this with a honey and see what happens.



I gave sugar up 12 years ago when I lost 80 lbs so where

ever I can sub honey..



Whats the worst that can happen I throw out  a few carrots and

some ginger..



Will let everyone know how it turns out on Friday so anyone who

doesn't eat sugar can give it a go if they want..



Best Regards,

Jennifer

------





At 06:33 PM 7/23/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Rhonda,  I'm new too and if you want a recipe let me tell you how I cook

>carrots.

>It probably will scare anyone that doesn't eat sugar but  I happen to use

>it.

>I slice the carrots  cover them with water add about 1/2 cup or more of

>sugar and 

>about 6 slices of fresh ginger.  I let this cook until almost all the water

>is gone.  it is gingered candied  carrots.  If you like ginger it's good

>.Mary Russell      bird@scrtc.blue.net 

>

>

>----------

>> From: Rhonda J. Coleman <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

>>

>> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 7:14 PM

>> 

>> Hi everyone!  I joined the list yesterday.  I thought this was a list

>> about gardening and cooking with herbs!  Oh well, it certainly is

>

>







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:05:23 -0500

--------



>If you substitue barley malt syrup you will be better off.  It is absorbed

>(metabolized), differently than sugar (over a longer period of time), and you

>won't screw up your glycemic index.

>Steam your carrots first.  In a seperate saucepan shred some ginger into

>enough barley malt syrup to coat the carrots and heat up so the ginger flavor

>goes all the way into the syrup.  Stir in carrots and serve.  Sprinkle some

>chopped mint leaves over the top.

>

>Traiteusse@aol.com

>Henrietta Lala

>







Thks Henrietta... now that I can do..

jb

==







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:30:41 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-23 19:40:45 EDT, you write:



<< Rhonda,  I'm new too and if you want a recipe let me tell you how I cook

 carrots.

 It probably will scare anyone that doesn't eat sugar but  I happen to use

 it.

 I slice the carrots  cover them with water add about 1/2 cup or more of

 sugar and 

 about 6 slices of fresh ginger.  I let this cook until almost all the water

 is gone.  it is gingered candied  carrots.  If you like ginger it's good

 ..Mary Russell      bird@scrtc.blue.net  >>



If you substitue barley malt syrup you will be better off.  It is absorbed

(metabolized), differently than sugar (over a longer period of time), and you

won't screw up your glycemic index.

Steam your carrots first.  In a seperate saucepan shred some ginger into

enough barley malt syrup to coat the carrots and heat up so the ginger flavor

goes all the way into the syrup.  Stir in carrots and serve.  Sprinkle some

chopped mint leaves over the top.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:43:00 -0500

--------

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... now I find out ...



Thank you very much for this information.... I guess what

do I use now... Licorice?



I always thought that honey was so much better for me than

sugar.



Thks

Jennifer

====





At 09:32 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 97-07-23 21:10:39 EDT, jb@awnet.com writes:

>

><< I gave sugar up 12 years ago when I lost 80 lbs so where

> ever I can sub honey.. >>

>

>To your body, sugar and honey are just about the same. They are both

>converted to glucose. Sugar is sugar, no matter its form.

>

>~~Anne

>dommana@aol.com

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:32:00 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-23 21:00:12 EDT, sbrooks@earthlink.net (Sam Brooks)

writes:



<< I'm sure that at least one or two listmembers share your interests

 about gardening and cooking with herbs.  Why not step forward and

 say Hi to Rhonda? >>



Hello Rhonda! I've been on the list for a little while, but I'm fairly new to

herbs. I started growing some culinary herbs just last year, so this is only

my second year. My oregano and sage are doing extremely well, but everything

else has sort of fizzled or is struggling. The drought hasn't helped,

although I have tried to keep them all watered.



I'd love to hear any and all ideas, tips, hints, and suggestions for any uses

for the normal kitchen-garden-variety herbs -- culinary, medicinal, cosmetic

or whatever. If anyone has a favorite, please post to the list!



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:32:32 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-23 21:10:39 EDT, jb@awnet.com writes:



<< I gave sugar up 12 years ago when I lost 80 lbs so where

 ever I can sub honey.. >>



To your body, sugar and honey are just about the same. They are both

converted to glucose. Sugar is sugar, no matter its form.



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: Loren & Susan Bacon <bacons4@traveller.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:03:18 -0500

--------

DomMana@aol.com wrote:

> 

> In a message dated 97-07-23 21:10:39 EDT, jb@awnet.com writes:

> 

> << I gave sugar up 12 years ago when I lost 80 lbs so where

>  ever I can sub honey.. >>

> 

> To your body, sugar and honey are just about the same. They are both

> converted to glucose. Sugar is sugar, no matter its form.

> 

> ~~Anne

> dommana@aol.com





Sue>>> I have found that different people react differently to

different forms of sugar.  My daughter is a borderline diabetic

and what tips her off is quite different, she has no trouble with

fructose or honey but give her refined sugar or rice syrup and

she will have problems.  So I really dissagree that all sugar 

is tolerated by the body the same, it seems to be more individualized

than that.  Sue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: cgileadi@itsnet.com (Cathy Gileadi)

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:19:55 -0700

--------

>Rhonda wrote



  However, I

>have to be careful, because our WVa winters can be pretty bad, so I feel

>that everything I grow should probably be brought inside.  Any

>thoughts???

>Thanks

>Rhonda



You need to bring any basils inside if you want to keep them, since they're

annuals and they'll be down at the first frost.  They don't keep that well,

though; a better idea might be to start some new plants now and they'll

still be young and growing when it's fall.  The rosemary must be brought in

overwinter; I keep mine in pots outside during the summer and treat them as

houseplants during the winter.  They do fine IF you don't let them dry out.

One dryout and they're gone, I am sad to report. . . .



Otherwise mints and other perennials do fine overwinter.  Oregano, sage,

thyme, all those overwinter beautifully. . . 



Good luck.



Cathy

>

>

>

                                 







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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "Margaret Long Mabrey" <margiesan@multipro.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:11:01 -0500

--------

Hi Rhonda,

All the herbs you listed are periennal except the Rosemary and Basil. Basil

reseeds itself if you grow it in the ground.  Rosemary will not come back. 

You will have to keep it in a pot. The rest will come back in the spring.

Margaret



----------

> From: Rhonda J. Coleman <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

> To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

> Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 9:41 PM

> 

> P.Nighswander wrote:

> > 

> > I'm gardening and cooking with herbs. I have three recycling

> > boxes full of growing basil.,as well as peppermint, lemon balm,

> > evening primrose,cammomile, spearment, thyme,feverfew,

> > hyssopp,tarrogon,chives,lavender, lambs ear,etc pn

> 

> OOOOOOOOH!  I am sooo jealous!  I have started pretty small - I have 2

> basils, a lemon basil and a "Valentino" basil, a sage, 3 mints

> (peppermint) and a rosemary.  Currently, the basils and sage are in an

> oblong "window box" planter, but I can already see that I need to

> separate them.  I have used the valentino basil chopped in salads and my

> "non experimental" hubby actually likes it!  I'm anxious about winter

> here, and plan to bring them inside to a sunny window.  Do you have any

> wintering ideas - also if you know anything about what I should do about

> harvesting at the end of the growing season, that would be much

> appreciated.  Next year I'd like to add some more plants.  However, I

> have to be careful, because our WVa winters can be pretty bad, so I feel

> that everything I grow should probably be brought inside.  Any

> thoughts???

> Thanks

> Rhonda

> 





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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: "TL" <t-lynn@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:34:10 -0400

--------

It looks like a lot of us joined within the past few days. I joined several

days ago and thought the list was primarily about herbs used in healing,

whether in pill or fresh form. I did NOT think it was about cooking. Seems

like we have a mix for everyone here. I know I see a lot of tips flying

back and forth.

Terrie





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: Lory2x2@aol.com

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:15:20 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Hi Rhonda,

    I've been taking dong quai for my menopausal symptoms and it works really

well for me! Susun Weed"s Menopausal Years is a good book to read - it deals

with every phase and many choices of treatments. It's been a fairly easy time

of life for me (will be 46 on sat.) as far as menopause goes - try to enjoy

it.    Lory





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:37:03 -0400

--------

FIrst, Happy Birthday!! I do have a question about Dong Quai and I don't

mean to be offensive!! While taking it, did it cause your menses to

return? Or did it just regulate your hormones so you felt better? Also I

have read that it has caused breast growth in some women. Have you

noticed this? Again, no offense meant!!

Blue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: LorHer@aol.com

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:40:33 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-23 19:26:09 EDT, you write:



<< For myself,

 I am nearing that "certain age" and have all kinds of menopause

 questions but I really don't want to go the route of premarin - I've

 tried it and it makes my head "foggy."  At the moment, all I take is

 "biotin" from GNC (for my hair), and occasionally Valerian for sleep

 problems. >>



Rhonda



Welcome to the list!  I have been "experiencing" perimopause and a variety of

symtoms including hot flashes (aka "power surge")  and intermittent insomnia,

depression and irritability.  I have been trying a variety of herbal

approaches over the last year.  They include:  don quai tincture, motherwort

tincture, skullcap tincture, oatstraw infusion and nettle infusion.



I've also done a lot of reading.  One of the best books that I have found is

Susan Weed's book:  Menopausal Years The Wise Woman Way:  Alternative

Approaches for Women 30-90.  She emphasisizes how individual each woman's

journey and offers a variety of approaches in an open supportive manner.  It

may very well help you as it has assisted me in finding the best way to move

through this adventurous and challenging time!  



Enjoy the journey!



Linda

LorHer@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:17:53 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-25 10:15:59 EDT, bacons4@traveller.com (Loren &

Susan Bacon) writes:



<<   So I really dissagree that all sugar 

 is tolerated by the body the same, it seems to be more individualized

 than that.  Sue >>



All sugars are converted to glucose by your body (and in fact, all starches,

are too) -- but the more complex sugars will not spike your blood glucose

levels as high as quickly, because they take longer to convert. I repeat that

to your body -- on a nutritional level -- sugar is sugar. However, you are

correct in that they aren't absorbed by the small intestine all at the same

rate. This is why your daughter tolerates some forms better than others.



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: new member to herbinfo

From: silwit@suba.com (Ray Bayley)

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:53:03 -0500 (CDT)

--------

><<   So I really dissagree that all sugar

> is tolerated by the body the same, it seems to be more individualized

> than that.  Sue >>

>

>All sugars are converted to glucose by your body (and in fact, all starches,

>are too) -- but the more complex sugars will not spike your blood glucose

>levels as high as quickly, because they take longer to convert. I repeat that

>to your body -- on a nutritional level -- sugar is sugar. However, you are

>correct in that they aren't absorbed by the small intestine all at the same

>rate. This is why your daughter tolerates some forms better than others.



        I'm not sure this is the realm of this list (nutrition vs

herbology) but I had to comment:



        Research on the reactions of various carbohydrates on blood sugar

levels (rise of blood sugar, insulin release, etc) has come up wth the

glycemic index.  G.I. of 100 is glucose--rapid rise in blood sugar, large

insulin response, etc in average human.  G.I. of about 50 is sucrose--table

sugar--chemically a "double sugar" combination of glucose and frucotse,

therefore a "more complex" carbohydrate than glucose.  G.I. of about 20 is

fructose--"fruit sugar", though fruit and maple syrup are

non-chemically-combined mixtures of glucose and fructose--a simpler

"single" sugar--slow rise in blood sugar level, small insulin response,

therefore less likely to lead to reactive hypoglycemia, roller-coaster

blood sugar.  To complicate the picture more: cooked (to near mush) carrots

and parsnips and even honey have a G.I. of about 80, whereas ice cream is

about 40.  Therefore the influence on blood sugar of a given carbohydrate

is hard to predict.

        Then there are the individualistic allergic responses to various

carbohydrates.

        Then there are the classical/Pavolovian conditioning responses:  I

have a few "glycemically challenged" clients with a history of dosing

massively with table sugar who react to it as if it had a G.I. close to

100.  Along those lines maple syrup and rice syrup statistically are best

tolerated by those people from the combination of viewpoints (glycemic

response, allergy, etc.)...not that I don't have people who can't tolerate

rice syrup...the manifestations of disorder are myriad.

Ray









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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:39:58 -0500

--------

Herb-Info List

Can anyone share your knowledge to learn

if taking  30 mg of gymnena silvestre ( twice a day ), 

is healthy and could help me out ot keep my

sugar levels down ? , By the way I am not diabetic, but 

all my familiy was.

This herb is included in an ayurvedic medicine, which

I was recommended to take.

tks in advance for any input !!!!







Osvaldo 

mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

From: Lesa Brodeur <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:16:09

--------



>if taking  30 mg of gymnena silvestre ( twice a day ), 



What is this?  Is there another name for it?



Lesa









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:44:18 -0500

--------

On 23 Jul 97 at 13:16, Lesa Brodeur wrote about Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre



> >if taking  30 mg of gymnena silvestre ( twice a day ), 

> 

> What is this?  Is there another name for it?



As much as I know, gymnema sylvestre is a herb used by 

ayurvedic medicine, to  lower sugar levels

Osvaldo 

mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:15:40 -0500

--------

At 01:08 PM 7/23/97 -0700, you wrote:

>At 02:44 PM 7/23/97 -0500, you wrote:

>>On 23 Jul 97 at 13:16, Lesa Brodeur wrote about Re: HerbInfo: gymnema

sylvestre



Hi Sam..



Good answer and very interesting..



Are there any side effects and what other benefits might there be

and would it interact or be counteracted by any other herbs.r



Does it have a common name or is that we read about and

ask for at our Alternative Health store?



Best Regards,

Jennifer

===









>Hi,

>

>I've seen this thread before, on another list.

>

>This was the most knowledgeable response I saw.

>The credit goes to: Henrietta Lala   Traiteusse@aol.com

>

>Gymnema Sylvestre, AKA Gurmar.

> It's been used in India for 2000 years as part of Ayurvedic medicine.  The

>word Gurmar means, "Sugar Destroyer."

>

>Gurmar can control sugar cravings and stabilize blood glucose levels.  The

>powder on the tongue or the tea will completely nullify all sweet taste.

> Even candy will be tasteless.

>

>"Gurmar Challenge":

>First you eat an M&M and a corn chip. Put some of the powder (about 1/2

>capsule onto your tongue and swish it around with a small amount of water for

>about 15

>seconds.  Then eat another M&M and another corn chip.  The M&M will taste

>bad, the corn chip will taste normal.

>

> After a few days, the herb builds up in your system and

>reduces your ability to enjoy sugar.  It does not eliminate sweetness,

>however, as putting it on your tongue does.

>

>It is used extensively in India for the treatment of diabetes.

>Clinical research indicates that Gurmar can actually help regenerate

>pancreatic cells.  In most cases, insulin can be reduced and in about 25% of

>cases insulin is eliminated.

>

>Traiteusse@aol.com

>

>

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:08:41 -0700 (PDT)

--------

At 02:44 PM 7/23/97 -0500, you wrote:

>On 23 Jul 97 at 13:16, Lesa Brodeur wrote about Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

>

>> >if taking  30 mg of gymnena silvestre ( twice a day ), 

>> 

>> What is this?  Is there another name for it?

>



Hi,



I've seen this thread before, on another list.



This was the most knowledgeable response I saw.

The credit goes to: Henrietta Lala   Traiteusse@aol.com



Gymnema Sylvestre, AKA Gurmar.

 It's been used in India for 2000 years as part of Ayurvedic medicine.  The

word Gurmar means, "Sugar Destroyer."



Gurmar can control sugar cravings and stabilize blood glucose levels.  The

powder on the tongue or the tea will completely nullify all sweet taste.

 Even candy will be tasteless.



"Gurmar Challenge":

First you eat an M&M and a corn chip. Put some of the powder (about 1/2

capsule onto your tongue and swish it around with a small amount of water for

about 15

seconds.  Then eat another M&M and another corn chip.  The M&M will taste

bad, the corn chip will taste normal.



 After a few days, the herb builds up in your system and

reduces your ability to enjoy sugar.  It does not eliminate sweetness,

however, as putting it on your tongue does.



It is used extensively in India for the treatment of diabetes.

Clinical research indicates that Gurmar can actually help regenerate

pancreatic cells.  In most cases, insulin can be reduced and in about 25% of

cases insulin is eliminated.



Traiteusse@aol.com









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT)

--------

At 02:15 PM 7/23/97 -0500, you wrote:



>Are there any side effects and what other benefits might there be

>and would it interact or be counteracted by any other herbs.r



Not that knowledgeable about this one.

I've got an e-mail in for a company in India which sells

herbal extracts.  They list this product.

I'll post their response to list.

>

>Does it have a common name or is that we read about and

>ask for at our Alternative Health store?



The common name in India is Gurmar.

Might be best to look towards the section in the store

that deals with Ayurvedic medicine.



Sam

sbrooks@earthlink.net

HerbInfo List









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:40:27 -0500

--------

Okay... now it lowers the blood sugar.. that is good, but

what if a person does not have a high sugar problem but

just wants something that will take 'taste good' of sugar

stuff so that they won't eat it like me.



I gave sugar up 12 years ago... but, i still looooooooveee

the taste of it... and thought that perhaps this might

help me not want to eat it.. since I have a problem with

weight and need to maintain my weight to keep my back from

hurting... and consuming sugar of course does not help along

with all that fat in choco bars... LOL



Will this reduce my sugar levels that I have from foods 

naturally... to the point where I might not have energy

and get headaches and stuff?



Thks 



Jennifer

===





At 09:12 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 97-07-23 20:44:57 EDT, you write:

>

><< The common name in India is Gurmar. >>

>"Gymnema sylvestre is used in the treatment of obesity and diabetes in Indian

>medicine.  The main activity in gymnema sylvestre is due to the presence of a

>brittle black, somewhat complex, acidic resin known as gymnemic acid and

>gulcloside known as hentriacontane."..."Most studies confirm the blood sugar

>lowering or antidiabetic property of gymnema.  It is not a cure and does not

>substitute for proper dietary habits or medication but its use will help to

>keep blood sugar levels within acceptable limits." 

>     Gurmar has proved very effective with many people I know personally, to

>lower and stabalize their blood sugar, naturally. I have a good source for

>this (guaranteed potency, and standardized) to get wholesale if anyone wants

>to e-mail me privately. Susan

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

From: Susipnr@aol.com

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:12:30 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-23 20:44:57 EDT, you write:



<< The common name in India is Gurmar. >>

"Gymnema sylvestre is used in the treatment of obesity and diabetes in Indian

medicine.  The main activity in gymnema sylvestre is due to the presence of a

brittle black, somewhat complex, acidic resin known as gymnemic acid and

gulcloside known as hentriacontane."..."Most studies confirm the blood sugar

lowering or antidiabetic property of gymnema.  It is not a cure and does not

substitute for proper dietary habits or medication but its use will help to

keep blood sugar levels within acceptable limits." 

     Gurmar has proved very effective with many people I know personally, to

lower and stabalize their blood sugar, naturally. I have a good source for

this (guaranteed potency, and standardized) to get wholesale if anyone wants

to e-mail me privately. Susan





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

From: Susipnr@aol.com

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:15:53 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-23 21:48:15 EDT, you write:



<< Okay... now it lowers the blood sugar.. that is good, but

 what if a person does not have a high sugar problem but

 just wants something that will take 'tastee good' of sugar

 stuff so that they wont eat it like me. >>



Gurmar has been used for over 2000 years in Ayurvedic (the science of

longevity in India) medicine for obesity as well as diabetes. It does help

with sugar cravings, and weight control which should help give you more

energy.  My understanding is that it helps to regulate the blood sugar. Also

as a side benefit, since tobacco is cured with sugar, it may help to a smoker

to quit,since the cigarette will not taste very good.

Susan





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

From: Barb Claude <pwdohio@erinet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:43:15 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Jennifer,



Try Spirulina.  Works great at curbing sugar craving.  Also a product

called Spiru-Tein that helps with weight loss, however, I add more

spirulina to that also. 



I put spirulina in my fruit juice or carrot juice.  It is a "whole food"

source, high in protein and contains all the necessary amino acids.  



This also is said to help level blood sugar levels but it is said not to

take this on your own if you are diabetic because there will need to be

some adjustments in your insulin.  



Balch's book Prescription for Nutritional Healing has a great section

describing spirulina.  It is basically a blue green algae.  I first started

taking it is capsule form, no use it in a loose powder form.  Does NOT

taste as bad as it smells or looks.  And it is alkaline.







At 07:40 PM 7/23/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Okay... now it lowers the blood sugar.. that is good, but

>what if a person does not have a high sugar problem but

>just wants something that will take 'taste good' of sugar

>stuff so that they won't eat it like me.

>

>I gave sugar up 12 years ago... but, i still looooooooveee

>the taste of it... and thought that perhaps this might

>help me not want to eat it.. since I have a problem with

>weight and need to maintain my weight to keep my back from

>hurting... and consuming sugar of course does not help along

>with all that fat in choco bars... LOL

>

>Will this reduce my sugar levels that I have from foods 

>naturally... to the point where I might not have energy

>and get headaches and stuff?

>

>Thks 

>

>Jennifer

>===

>

>

>At 09:12 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>In a message dated 97-07-23 20:44:57 EDT, you write:

>>

>><< The common name in India is Gurmar. >>

>>"Gymnema sylvestre is used in the treatment of obesity and diabetes in

Indian

>>medicine.  The main activity in gymnema sylvestre is due to the presence

of a

>>brittle black, somewhat complex, acidic resin known as gymnemic acid and

>>gulcloside known as hentriacontane."..."Most studies confirm the blood sugar

>>lowering or antidiabetic property of gymnema.  It is not a cure and does not

>>substitute for proper dietary habits or medication but its use will help to

>>keep blood sugar levels within acceptable limits." 

>>     Gurmar has proved very effective with many people I know personally, to

>>lower and stabalize their blood sugar, naturally. I have a good source for

>>this (guaranteed potency, and standardized) to get wholesale if anyone wants

>>to e-mail me privately. Susan

>>

>

>

>

Barb

& Sailor

pwdohio@erinet.com









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre

From: Redgato@aol.com

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:19:07 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-24 23:04:29 EDT, you write:



<< Also

 as a side benefit, since tobacco is cured with sugar, it may help to a

smoker

 to quit,since the cigarette will not taste very good.

 Susan >>



Hi,



I grew up in the tobacco farming area of NC and never saw any tobacco being

cured with sugar.  Does anyone have any info about this?  I've heard of sugar

cured hams, but not tobacco!  As far as I know tobacco is dried with

heat--that's what the old tobacco barns were used for.



Pat



I just found the following info on AOL:



  "It is the process called curing that gives tobacco its characteristic

color and flavor (some flavors may be added later). The three common methods

of curing are by air, fire, and flue. A fourth method, sun curing, is

practiced with some types known as aromatic tobaccos and to a limited extent

with air-cured leaves. Leaves that are dried in the sun produce a sweet

tobacco for chewing. Curing has four steps: wilting, yellowing, coloring, and

drying.

   In air drying the leaves are hung in a barn or tobacco house constructed

so that ventilation can be carefully regulated. Fire drying is by heat from

open fires set on the dirt floor of the tobacco barn after the leaves have

been hanging for a period of two to six weeks. This process may be continuous

or intermittent, lasting from three weeks to as long as ten weeks until the

leaf is cured as desired.

   Barns for flue curing are small and tightly constructed, with ventilators

and metal pipes called flues extending from furnaces around or under the

floor of the barn. Fuels used are oil, wood, coal, or liquid petroleum gas.

If oil or gas heaters are used, flues are not needed. Heat is applied

carefully with attention to the chemical and physical changes in the leaf.

Flue curing requires from four to eight days.

   After they are cured the leaves may be piled in bulk to condition them for

a time before preparation for sale. Conditioning normally is done in

moistening cellars or humidified rooms so the leaves can be han-dled without

breakage. During conditioning further changes take place in the leaves. The

preparation for sale usually consists of grading the tobacco and putting it

in bales or packages of convenient size and weight for inspection. Grading

varies from country to country, and it also depends on the use to which the

leaves will be put.

   Most United States, Canadian, Central African, and Australian tobacco is

sold by farmers at auction warehouses. Buyers visiting farmers or local

villages purchase other crops by private arrangement. Much of the world's

tobacco is sold on a noncompetitive basis in countries where a government

monopoly is the only buyer.

   After purchase, tobacco may be regraded. Then, for most tobacco, the exact

amount of moisture needed for aging is added and the leaves are packed in

cases or in hogsheads, which are casks or barrels. The tobacco ages for two

to three years, undergoing chemical and physical changes, before it is ready

for use."





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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: grapefruit question

From: Rich Metzger <rmetzger@admin.alleg.edu>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:20:02 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Does anyone have any information on a grapefruit fiber product that is

supposed to lower your cholesterol?  I have heard that it is called

ProFibe but noone at any of our local health stores knows anything about

it.  



****************************

* Rich Metzger             *

* Allegheny College        *

* rmetzger@admin.alleg.edu *

* 814-332-2755             *

****************************







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: Swampy <swampy@pinn.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 14:37:24 -0400

--------

Greetings from the Dismal Swamp



I really got to see  using comfrey work this summer  on not only a cut my

husband handbut a very bad cut I had...I waited till the cut had started

healing on  myself as it was to deep, but as it tried to mend I would tear

it open as it was in the joint  of my finger...Well it worked wonders. 



I have a  problem with the corners of my mouth cracking...First  stop the

dentist and was given a clean bill of health, so started on Vit B....then

tired Echinacea...with Ester-C.. and straight vit E..I have given each of

these remedy's plenty of time  but nothing is making this better. I try to

stay away from acids, tomatoes, mayo.(whine)  but  it still crack to the

point of there being scar tissue...



Would comfrey help here......I haven't tired it...but amtempted  to give it

a shot...or is there something else I should be trying....I am 5'% and

weigh 120lbs. 



Swampy 



A  woman wins by giving  herself and other women  permission-to eat; to  be

 sexual; to  age; to wear overalls, a paste tiara a Balenciaga gown, a

second-hand opera cloak,  or combat  boots; to cover up or to go

practically naked; to  do whatever  we choose in following-or ignoring- our

own aesthetic.Naomi Wolf

http://www.pinn.net/~swampy





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: cgileadi@itsnet.com (Cathy Gileadi)

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:43:18 -0700

--------

Swampy wrote:

>I have a  problem with the corners of my mouth cracking...



Sometimes this is helped with adequate essential fatty acids.

I like flax seed (some people like the oil) for this.  It may take awhile,

perhaps two weeks or so, but lots of us are deficient in essential fatty

acids, with resulting skin problems. . . 



Good luck.



Cathy

                                 







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: Loren & Susan Bacon <bacons4@traveller.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:37:46 -0500

--------

Cathy Gileadi wrote:

> 

> Swampy wrote:

> >I have a  problem with the corners of my mouth cracking...

> 

> Sometimes this is helped with adequate essential fatty acids.

> I like flax seed (some people like the oil) for this.  It may take awhile,

> perhaps two weeks or so, but lots of us are deficient in essential fatty

> acids, with resulting skin problems. . .

> 

> Good luck.

> 

> Cathy

> 



Sue>>> The flax seed oil works wonders with all of our dry skin

as well, it is now included in our daily diet with our morning

supplements.  Sue





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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: "Margaret Long Mabrey" <margiesan@multipro.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:58:45 -0500

--------

Hi Swampy,

I just joined this list today, and your msg was the first i've read.  A

friend of mine had the same thing happen several years ago.  Not only did

his mouth crack at the corners but his eyes did as well.  The Dr put him on

Vitamin A.  Said it was a Vit A deficiency.  I would suggest taking a water

soluable form so as to not get overdosed.



Margaret



----------

> From: Swampy <swampy@pinn.net>

> To: herbinfo@bolis.com

> Subject: HerbInfo: Comfrey

> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 1:37 PM

> 

> Greetings from the Dismal Swamp

> 

> I really got to see  using comfrey work this summer  on not only a cut my

> husband handbut a very bad cut I had...I waited till the cut had started

> healing on  myself as it was to deep, but as it tried to mend I would

tear

> it open as it was in the joint  of my finger...Well it worked wonders. 

> 

> I have a  problem with the corners of my mouth cracking...First  stop the

> dentist and was given a clean bill of health, so started on Vit B....then

> tired Echinacea...with Ester-C.. and straight vit E..I have given each of

> these remedy's plenty of time  but nothing is making this better. I try

to

> stay away from acids, tomatoes, mayo.(whine)  but  it still crack to the

> point of there being scar tissue...

> 

> Would comfrey help here......I haven't tired it...but amtempted  to give

it

> a shot...or is there something else I should be trying....I am 5'% and

> weigh 120lbs. 

> 

> Swampy 

> 

> A  woman wins by giving  herself and other women  permission-to eat; to 

be

>  sexual; to  age; to wear overalls, a paste tiara a Balenciaga gown, a

> second-hand opera cloak,  or combat  boots; to cover up or to go

> practically naked; to  do whatever  we choose in following-or ignoring-

our

> own aesthetic.Naomi Wolf

> http://www.pinn.net/~swampy





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:04:24 -0500

--------

At 08:10 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 97-07-23 18:15:43 EDT, margiesan@multipro.com writes:



>

>I don't think Vit. A comes in a water-soluable form. It's a fat-soluable

>vitamin, hence the overdose danger.



Does Vit E not become Vit A somehow... I could really be out

to lunch here...but could a person not get enough Vit A by

eating it... and taking VitE?



Let me know if I am really off base here... and if I am

correct... what foods would contain the Vit A a person would need?









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:36:08 -0400

--------

Water soluble Vitamin A is beta carotene. Oil soluble Vit A. is

halibut liver oil, cod liver oil etc. Vit E helps to absorb Vit

A. Vit. E is oil soluble. As antioxidants water or oil soluble

helps direct the areas the vitamins can fight free radicals.  Two

beta carotene molecules make up a Vit A. unit. You cannot

overdose on beta carotene. You just get orange skin. You can

overdose on oil soluble Vit. A. You should always not do Vit A.

one day a week. Vit A stays in you body until used unlike Vit. C.







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:10:08 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-23 18:15:43 EDT, margiesan@multipro.com writes:



<< Hi Swampy,

 I just joined this list today, and your msg was the first i've read.  A

 friend of mine had the same thing happen several years ago.  Not only did

 his mouth crack at the corners but his eyes did as well.  The Dr put him on

 Vitamin A.  Said it was a Vit A deficiency.  I would suggest taking a water

 soluable form so as to not get overdosed.

 

 Margaret >>



I don't think Vit. A comes in a water-soluable form. It's a fat-soluable

vitamin, hence the overdose danger.



I have heard that this could be caused by a vitamin C deficiency. Try taking

some, and see if it helps.



~~Anne 

dommana@aol.com





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:01:15 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-23 23:57:27 EDT, you (swampy) write:



<< I have a  problem with the corners of my mouth cracking...First  stop the

 dentist and was given a clean bill of health, so started on Vit B....then

 tired Echinacea...with Ester-C.. and straight vit E..I have given each of

 these remedy's plenty of time  but nothing is making this better. I try to

 stay away from acids, tomatoes, mayo.(whine)  but  it still crack to the

 point of there being scar tissue... >>





This is a digestive problem.  If you can't absorb the nutrients they won't do

you any good. If you can't throw off the toxins, they will surface. Cut back

on fruit or fruit juices, do not eat between meals, do not eat after 8 at

night.  All other guidelines apply, such as no sugar, refined foods (such as

white flour), plenty of fresh veggies (especially dark green ones.  Take 1

tsp. of olive oil 3x a day.  You might also want to cut out dairy products

for a while.  No caffeine, drink plenty of herbal teas such as Red Clover,

Chickweed (absolutely no soft drinks).  Do not skip any meals, and make sure

they are always warm.  Put a gallon jug of pure water on the kitchen counter

and make sure you drink it all each day.  You need to let that area of the

body heal and calm down.



On the cracks; apply a cream or balm made of olive oil, yarrow, comfrey,

calendula and beeswax.  You can add a drop or two of peppermint EO to it.



Traiteusse@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: Swampy <swampy@pinn.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:33:09 -0400

--------

Wanted to thank every one for their advise about the cracking in the

corners of my mouth...the post I just received mentioned digestive problems

and the bells went off.   I have a double hiatal hernia,(spelling  sorry)

and do have heart burn a lot because of it....and will try and follow  what

was advised...but good heavens...doesn't leave me a lot of choices since it

deletes the things I like most...but to clean the system you have to do

what you have to do....Am copying it out....



Thanks so much 

Swampy 



A  woman wins by giving  herself and other women  permission-to eat; to  be

 sexual; to  age; to wear overalls, a paste tiara a Balenciaga gown, a

second-hand opera cloak,  or combat  boots; to cover up or to go

practically naked; to  do whatever  we choose in following-or ignoring- our

own aesthetic.Naomi Wolf

http://www.pinn.net/~swampy





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: "J.Herbert Bazur" <hbazur@voyager.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:53:07 -0400

--------

Swampy wrote:

> 

> Wanted to thank every one for their advise about the cracking in the

> corners of my mouth...the post I just received mentioned digestive problems

> and the bells went off.   I have a double hiatal hernia,(spelling  sorry)

> and do have heart burn a lot because of it....and will try and follow  what

> was advised...but good heavens...doesn't leave me a lot of choices since it

> deletes the things I like most...but to clean the system you have to do

> what you have to do....Am copying it out....

> 

> Thanks so much

> Swampy

> 

> A  woman wins by giving  herself and other women  permission-to eat; to  be

>  sexual; to  age; to wear overalls, a paste tiara a Balenciaga gown, a

> second-hand opera cloak,  or combat  boots; to cover up or to go

> practically naked; to  do whatever  we choose in following-or ignoring- our

> own aesthetic.Naomi Wolf

> http://www.pinn.net/~swampy

Hi, will you tell me what herb you are talking about re digestive

system?  What amount?  Thanks.  Betty





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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: "Margaret Long Mabrey" <margiesan@multipro.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:57:07 -0500

--------

Hi Swampy,

Go to your health food store and they can direct you to a water soluable

form of Vit A.  I have taken it in the past and know it does exist and does

not create a build up in fat cells.

Margaret 



----------

> From: DomMana@aol.com

> To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

> Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 7:10 PM

> 

> In a message dated 97-07-23 18:15:43 EDT, margiesan@multipro.com writes:

> 

> << Hi Swampy,

>  I just joined this list today, and your msg was the first i've read.  A

>  friend of mine had the same thing happen several years ago.  Not only

did

>  his mouth crack at the corners but his eyes did as well.  The Dr put him

on

>  Vitamin A.  Said it was a Vit A deficiency.  I would suggest taking a

water

>  soluable form so as to not get overdosed.

>  

>  Margaret >>

> 

> I don't think Vit. A comes in a water-soluable form. It's a fat-soluable

> vitamin, hence the overdose danger.

> 

> I have heard that this could be caused by a vitamin C deficiency. Try

taking

> some, and see if it helps.

> 

> ~~Anne 

> dommana@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:06:48 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-24 10:16:09 EDT, you write:



<< Hi Swampy,

 Go to your health food store and they can direct you to a water soluable

 form of Vit A.  I have taken it in the past and know it does exist and does

 not create a build up in fat cells.

 Margaret  >>



It's called "beta-carotene."  You can get it at any store that carries

vitamins.



Traiteusse@aol.com





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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: "AMBER A. SPAIN, COLLEGE RELATIONS ASSISTANT"

 <SPAINAA@SNYMORVA.CS.SNYMOR.EDU>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:23:33 -0400 (EDT)

--------

This is my first posting to the list also...



Comfrey is one of my favorite herbs. About a year ago it jumped to a new spot

in my garden. I regret that I didn't move it when it first appeared again this

year as it is tall and in the front of my garden. I have heard that Comfrey has

a tap root that reaches up to eight feet deep. Has anyone else heard this?



I would like to move it but haven't because of a fear of losing it.



A.S.





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: "Rhonda J. Coleman" <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:05:53 -0700

--------

AMBER A. SPAIN, COLLEGE RELATIONS ASSISTANT wrote:...I have heard that

Comfrey has a tap root that reaches up to eight feet deep. Has anyone

else heard this? I would like to move it but haven't because of a fear

of losing it.

> 

> A.S.



Amber - according to the herb gardening book I have, there are several

pointers that might answer your question:  "divide every few years to

prevent crowding..."  "new leaves sprout each spring from a prennial

root..." and you can "propogate by seed, division, or cuttings."  The

book also says that the plant establishes easily and requires little

care.  The book I am quoting is "Rodale's Successful Organic Gardening -

Herbs"  Hope this is helpful information for you.



PS - I MUST be "Herb" happy since my hubby's name is Herb(ert)!!

Rhonda









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: pattersp@oes.orst.edu

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:42:26 +0000

--------

I had to laugh when I heard someone was afraid to move their comfrey 

as they might lose it. Comfrey will be back from where you moved it, 

guaranteed. If you rototill it, every scrap of root will make a 

healthy new plant. We regularly dig back our patch which is intent on 

devouring the garden. It is an excellent treat for our goats and 

sheep. Also terrific for healing sores.

Pat 



Pat Patterson

25 miles from Eugene, OR on the Coast Range

If it has two ends, spin it.

Gardening feeds the soul too.





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:13:50 GMT

--------

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:05:53 -0700, "Rhonda J. Coleman"

<wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu> wrote to HerbInfo@bolis.com:



>AMBER A. SPAIN, COLLEGE RELATIONS ASSISTANT wrote:...I have heard that

>Comfrey has a tap root that reaches up to eight feet deep. Has anyone

>else heard this? I would like to move it but haven't because of a fear

>of losing it.

>

>Amber - according to the herb gardening book I have, there are several

>pointers that might answer your question:  "divide every few years to

>prevent crowding..."  "new leaves sprout each spring from a prennial

>root..." and you can "propogate by seed, division, or cuttings."  The

>book also says that the plant establishes easily and requires little

>care.  The book I am quoting is "Rodale's Successful Organic Gardening -

>Herbs"  Hope this is helpful information for you.



...if you DO decide to move your comfrey you'll have it in two spots... the old

and the new one. It's just about unkillable; short of giving it a severe haircut

every second week it'll stay put.

One of the most invasive plants I've ever heard of, so I put mine right beside

the horseradish (another very invasive plant) and a couple of mints (also very

invasive) - now I will just sit back and watch that battlefield develop.



Henriette 'easy gardening - no weeds can compete here' Kress



--

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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:11:29 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-24 10:26:12 EDT, jb@awnet.com (Jennifer A. Bishop)

writes:



<< Does Vit E not become Vit A somehow. >>

No, they are two completely separate substances. Perhaps you are thinking of

beta carotene, which is a Vit. A precursor and is often found in yellow or

orange vegetables, such as carots, squash, and the like.

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:54:15 -0500

--------

At 08:13 PM 7/24/97 GMT, you wrote:



Very smart Henriette... I did that with my Lambs Ear and Lavender and

Wild Brown Eyed Susan..



They pretty much grow where they want to... Each year is a

surprise... I just love it... And they always look so beautiful..



What kind of a growning condition does comfrey need.  We have a

very short growing season maybe 5 monthes in a good year.. and

very hard winters...  -40 C often in Feb..



Could I grow it?



TIA

jb

==









>...if you DO decide to move your comfrey you'll have it in two spots... the old

>and the new one. It's just about unkillable; short of giving it a severe

haircut

>every second week it'll stay put.

>One of the most invasive plants I've ever heard of, so I put mine right beside

>the horseradish (another very invasive plant) and a couple of mints (also very

>invasive) - now I will just sit back and watch that battlefield develop.

>

>Henriette 'easy gardening - no weeds can compete here' Kress

>

>--

>Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

>Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:25:07 -0400

--------

Did I miss something here. Are you saying that pieces in the

ground of comfrey, lavender, black eyed susans, lambs ear

propogate by being rototilled into the ground. I am having

trouble getting a good patch of lavender growning.

I'm referring to this comment

Very smart Henriette... I did that with my Lambs Ear and Lavender

and

Wild Brown Eyed Susan..













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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 04:21:07 GMT

--------

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:54:15 -0500, "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com> wrote to

HerbInfo@bolis.com:



>What kind of a growning condition does comfrey need.  We have a

>very short growing season maybe 5 monthes in a good year.. and

>very hard winters...  -40 C often in Feb..



Sure - it's those kind of temperatures we're having in Finland (usually short

spells only), and it's -native- here. Of course, many plants survive lots better

if they have a blanket of snow to insulate them. 

Our growing season starts mid-May and ends end October.



Henriette



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      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:35:03 -0500

--------

I grew them all together and let them fight it out because they

grow so quickly and prolific... and yes if you til them in

and break them up... then for every piece of root that you

have... you have new plant...   and if you don't till them 

they still grow where ever they want...   and every year

its a surprise....  



sometimes for my neighbor too...  



and i really don't do much for them... not even much water

because they don't seem to need it... maybe every second year

i will give them a little new soil... and some well rotted

horse manure..



but they grow... and everyone i know has a piece of them..



i have never grown comfrey but certainly would like to try..

if my growning season is long enough and our winters are not

to harsh for it..



jb

=========





At 10:25 PM 7/24/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Did I miss something here. Are you saying that pieces in the

>ground of comfrey, lavender, black eyed susans, lambs ear

>propogate by being rototilled into the ground. I am having

>trouble getting a good patch of lavender growning.

>I'm referring to this comment

>Very smart Henriette... I did that with my Lambs Ear and Lavender

>and

>Wild Brown Eyed Susan..

>

>

>

>

>







==========

To: "'HerbInfo@bolis.com'" <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: RE: HerbInfo: Comfrey

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:56:09 -0500

--------

Go ahead and dig it up - Under noraml gardening conditions, you can't lose it.   A major dought,  submerging it in a food for more than a month , or mulching it with black plastic and concrete blocks are about the only ways to get rid of it.



What will probably happen is that you move a piece and end up with it BOTH places.  

KB





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: 1st post and reply

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:50:13 -0500

--------

At 04:08 PM 7/23/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi, I am Mary, Just joined this list yesterday as a break from genealogy

>and to 

>answer some questions I have about using herbs for certain ailments. 

>Couldn't pass on the chickweed---I raise birds- parakeets, Parrots etc. 

>Chickweed is the one thing that they will gorge on.  They love it and it

>must have lots of vitamins because they feed it to their babies and the

>babies grow faster and their colors are marvelous.









Mary...



Do you have any idea what the dosage should be.  I read on the

bottle that a person should take 2-4 capsules with each meal..



Now that is big spread... and the Herb books I have say to add more

to any weight reducing plan... but, they never say how much?



That BTW really drives me crazy about the herb books... can never

seem to find one that gives starting dosages...



Welcome to list... look forward to hearing learning lots more.



Best Regards,

Jennifer

====







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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: 1st post and reply

From: "Mary Russell" <bird@scrtc.blue.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:08:13 -0500

--------

Hi, I am Mary, Just joined this list yesterday as a break from genealogy

and to 

answer some questions I have about using herbs for certain ailments. 

Couldn't pass on the chickweed---I raise birds- parakeets, Parrots etc. 

Chickweed is the one thing that they will gorge on.  They love it and it

must have lots of vitamins because they feed it to their babies and the

babies grow faster and their colors are marvelous.

If it is indeed an appetite suppresser I really need to eat it myself cause

I'm an

old dumpling grandma. 

Now I have a question -my friend has gout and I have heard something about

Celery

seed or oil helping gout.  Does anyone have knowledge of this? 



----------

> From: Jennifer A. Bishop <jb@awnet.com>

> Questions To Everyone:::::::::\

> Does Chickweed really work as an Appetite Suppessor?  And what

> other properties does it have... ie vitamins etc and other

> uses.

> Thanks in Advance..

> Best Regards,

> Jennifer







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre / dose

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:20:00 -0500

--------

On 23 Jul 97 at 13:08, Sam Brooks wrote about Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre



Henriette says abt gymnema sylvestre:

<< It is used extensively in India for the treatment of diabetes.

Clinical research indicates that Gurmar can actually help regenerate

pancreatic cells.  In most cases, insulin can be reduced and in about 25% of

cases insulin is eliminated. >>



There is an ayurvedic medicine ( tabs ) than contains, among other herbs,

30 mg of  gymnema sylvestre. tabs have to taken twice a day. 

Do you think it is enought to obtain good results

Tks in advance for sharing your knowledge.



Osvaldo 

mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: gymnema / diabecon

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:20:00 -0500

--------

On 23 Jul 97 at 13:33, Sam Brooks wrote about Re: HerbInfo: gymnema sylvestre



Sam

Regarding Gymnema sylvestre. I found it included in an ayurvedic 

medicine called DIABECON.

- lowers blood sugar an prevents the complications of diabetes -

It is produced in India by The Himalaya Drug Co. 

do you know the company ? is it well known ?

Of course : no commercial interest on it !!

TIA for yr response.

Osvaldo 

mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec





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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal Tea

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:52:55 -0700 (PDT)

--------

Hi List,



While growing up, Northern Illinois, I would make a tea from

pennyroyal, which grew wild.  Really enjoyed the taste.

Did not know anything of the side effects associated with

pennyroyal and pregnant women.  Not that it matters, since

I'm a guy.



Question;  Anybody know of any other side effects associated

with drinking pennyroyal tea?  Would like to plant a small patch.



Any commercial sources of seed/plants, etc?



TIA



Sam Brooks

HerbInfo List

sbrooks@earthlink.net







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal Tea

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 20:48:36 -0700 (PDT)

--------

>In a message dated 97-07-23 19:01:01 EDT, you write:

>

>> Anybody know of any other side effects associated

>>  with drinking pennyroyal tea?  

>

>Ummm, you probably won't be bothered much by fleas <g>, from what I

>understand.

>

>Michele

>

Hello List;



The above came to me by private e-mail.  It was so good, that I had

to share it.  Hope that Michele does not mind.



"Thanks," says Sam, slipping down off the computer chair to sit down

on the floor and scratch behind his right ear. <GRIN>



Sam







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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal Tea

From: "Cyberberus" <cyberberus@psl.org>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:13:39 -0400

--------

  

  Remember that pennyroyal is like peppermint ... if it likes where its

planted .. its *really invasive*, plant in a whiskey barrel or such to keep

under control.





----------

> From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

> To: herbinfo@bolis.com

> Subject: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal Tea

> Date: Wednesday, 23 July, 1997 06:52 PM

> 

> Hi List,

> 

> While growing up, Northern Illinois, I would make a tea from

> pennyroyal, which grew wild.  Really enjoyed the taste.

> Did not know anything of the side effects associated with

> pennyroyal and pregnant women.  Not that it matters, since

> I'm a guy.

> 

> Question;  Anybody know of any other side effects associated

> with drinking pennyroyal tea?  Would like to plant a small patch.

> 

> Any commercial sources of seed/plants, etc?

> 

> TIA

> 

> Sam Brooks

> HerbInfo List

> sbrooks@earthlink.net





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal Tea

From: "Rhonda J. Coleman" <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 04:40:49 -0700

--------

Question;  Anybody know of any other side effects associated with

drinking pennyroyal tea?  Would like to plant a small patch.

> > Any commercial sources of seed/plants, etc?

> >

> > TIA

> >

> > Sam Brooks

> > HerbInfo List

> > sbrooks@earthlink.net



The herb garening book that I have says that Pennyroyal (English) is

great to RUB on your skin to keep insects away, but is "unsafe when

taken internally."  whatever that means!!! However, since you drank it

as a kid, and you're still here....????

Rhonda







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal Tea

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:21:52 -0400

--------

Pennyroyal is basically only harmful to women during pregnancy. I have

heard of it causing gas. It is also used to induce sweating. But

basically it is not harmful.

Blue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal Tea

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:15:28 GMT

--------

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:21:52 -0400, blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net> wrote to

HerbInfo@bolis.com:



>Pennyroyal is basically only harmful to women during pregnancy. I have

>heard of it causing gas. It is also used to induce sweating. But

>basically it is not harmful.



There is a good entry on both the European and the American pennyroyals in the

medicinal herbfaq.

The essential oil of pennyroyal has killed adult women. Pennyroyal herb tea has

killed babies (quite recently, too). 



It is NOT harmless. Pick other mints and leave this be.



Henriette



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==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal Tea

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:10:59 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-24 17:53:03 EDT, sbrooks@earthlink.net (Sam Brooks)

writes:



<< Question;  Anybody know of any other side effects associated

 with drinking pennyroyal tea?  Would like to plant a small patch. >>



Sam, I'm sorry I can't answer your question, but I can add one of my own.

This spring a sowed a whole packet of pennyroyal seeds along a shady path.

The seed packet said that pennyroyal would love a damp, shady spot, so I

thought this was perfect. However, none of the seeds ever germinated that I

could tell -- or if they did, the seedlings must have died rather quickly,

although I tried to keep it watered. Now all I have is a bare stretch of

dirt. :-(  



Can anyone tell me what went wrong?



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: "'HerbInfo@bolis.com'" <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: RE: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal Tea

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:49:20 -0500

--------

Did you bury the seed?? Most really tiny seed prefers to be scattered not buried and some actually require light to germinate.  Chamomile and American pennyroyal are two of these.



Both my pennyroyals ( American/annual and English/perennial ) thrive in full sun - and I'm in Tennessee where the days have been in the 90's with very high humidity.  



The American (Hedeomma puligioides) is a native here and I just encourage it.  The english (Mentha pulegium) was started from a tiny sprig from a friend's garden and in two seasons covers a four foot space.  It does like to be well watered. 



KB





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To: "'HerbInfo@bolis.com'" <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: RE: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal Tea

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:55:44 -0500

--------

Pennyroyal oil is TOXIC to anyone, male female, pregnant or not.  While weak tea used occasionally is safe, it is not safe in strong doses or large amounts.

KB





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal Tea

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:52:15 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-26 06:23:18 EDT, kbensin@mail.state.tn.us (Kathryn

Bensinger) writes:



<< Did you bury the seed?? Most really tiny seed prefers to be scattered not

buried and some actually require light to germinate.  Chamomile and American

pennyroyal are two of these.

 

 Both my pennyroyals ( American/annual and English/perennial ) thrive in full

sun - and I'm in Tennessee where the days have been in the 90's with very

high humidity.  

 

 The American (Hedeomma puligioides) is a native here and I just encourage

it.  The english (Mentha pulegium) was started from a tiny sprig from a

friend's garden and in two seasons covers a four foot space.  It does like to

be well watered.  >>



I believe what I sowed was the English version. Based on your advice, it may

have been too shady where I sowed it. I did not bury the seed, but scattered

it on prepared soil, and tried to lightly rake it in. (VERY lightly). But I

don't think this spot gets much, if any, direct sun. I guess I mistakenly

thought pennyroyal liked such shade!! Oh well. BTW, I'm in Maryland, which

also gets temps in the 90's and high humidity in the summer.



Thanks for your input!

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger 

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:28:25 -0500

--------

At 10:19 PM 7/23/97 -0500, you wrote:



>4 cats from using my potted plants for you know what?  They can't seem to

>resist and of course it kills the plants.  Mary Russell   



Now if there is......... can I use outside to keep "My Neighbors"

cats out>

:)

Jennifer







==========

To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger 

From: "Mary Russell" <bird@scrtc.blue.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:19:22 -0500

--------

I used to grow my own ginger outside when I lived in Southern California

but now I live in Kentucky and  haven't tried growing it here.  Can it be

grown in a large pot.?

I purchase it now and peel it , cut it into chunks and freeze it in a zip

loc bag.

When I need some I just grab what I want.  We eat a lot because I cook

oriental food quite often. 

Also anybody ---Is there some herbs or harmless substance that will keep my



4 cats from using my potted plants for you know what?  They can't seem to

resist and of course it kills the plants.  Mary Russell     

bird@scrtc.blue.net 





----------

> From: Rhonda J. Coleman <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

> 

> Do you grow your own ginger or purchase it in the store?

> Thanks

> Rhonda







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:05:24 -0400

--------

Moth balls keeps wild animals awya from plants like skunks,

racoons, etc.Maybe with cats







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger

From: Jan Schmidt <jans@rnet.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 05:35:46 PDT

--------

Mary,

 I have read that putting a layer of pea gravel or heavier rocks in the pot on top of the soil will stop the cats. The digging won't be so easy.

Jan S.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Where there is Life , There is Hope!

Where there is Dirt, There is Soap!

All things are Possible for those that Love the Lord!!!

Auntie Jan's Herbs & Botanicals

JANS@RNET.COM

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

















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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:20:13 -0400

--------

I have cats and plants as well as a rabbit! For my cats I plannted a

small pot of grass and catnip just for them and that seemed to work. You

can also try spraying with a citrus smelling water or mint smell. This

works for me as well becasue my cats don't seem to like those smells and

they don't harm the plants. Moth balls work, if you can stand the smell

that is. I am not sure though how they would effect the plants. I hope

this helped!

Blue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger 

From: Sheila Foster <foster@engr.csulb.edu>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT)

--------

On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Mary Russell wrote:



> I used to grow my own ginger outside when I lived in Southern California

> but now I live in Kentucky and  haven't tried growing it here.  Can it be

> grown in a large pot.?



	Mary,



	How is ginger grown? Do you just start with a chunk of root or

	seeds or ?? Please share some of your secrets. How cold can the

	weather get? I live inland in San Diego County and the prospect

	of growing my own ginger fascinates me.



	Thanks,





Sheila in Southern Southern Califoria



    --You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails. --









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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger

From: "Mary Russell" <bird@scrtc.blue.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:30:08 -0500

--------

I have used moth balls to keep mice away from basement areas where I store

some bird seed and it works.  I couldn't stand the smell if I used them in

potted plants in the living area and I think they would be toxic to the

cat.  But they are a good idea used in a safe area.Mary Russell     

bird@scrtc.blue.net 





----------

> From: P.Nighswander <abbott@kos.net>

> To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

> Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger

> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 11:05 PM

> 

> Moth balls keeps wild animals awya from plants like skunks,

> racoons, etc.Maybe with cats

> 





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger 

From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:07:24 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-25 14:10:42 EDT, you write:



<< I used to grow my own ginger outside when I lived in Southern California

 but now I live in Kentucky and  haven't tried growing it here.  Can it be

 grown in a large pot.?

 I purchase it now and peel it , cut it into chunks and freeze it in a zip

 loc bag.

 When I need some I just grab what I want.  We eat a lot because I cook

 oriental food quite often. 

 Also anybody ---Is there some herbs or harmless substance that will keep my

 

 4 cats from using my potted plants for you know what?  They can't seem to

 resist and of course it kills the plants.  Mary Russell     

 bird@scrtc.blue.net  >>



It grows very well in pots and makes a lovely plant.



The very ginger you are growing will keep cats away from your plants.  Just

put a few slices of ginger around them, or shredded ginger.  Cats do not like

strong aromas.



Traiteusse@aol.com







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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger 

From: "Lawrence M. Willey" <wcoyote@lightspeed.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:41:45 -0700

--------

Sheila wrote:

> 

> 	How is ginger grown? Do you just start with a chunk of root or

> 	seeds or ?? Please share some of your secrets. How cold can the

> 	weather get? I live inland in San Diego County and the prospect

> 	of growing my own ginger fascinates me.

> 

> 	Thanks,

> 

> 

> Sheila in Southern Southern Califoria

> 

>     --You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails. --

>

Get the best plump fresh looking "hand" of ginger you can find at the

grocery store.  Place it in a paper sack in a dark warm place an check

until you see it begin to sprout on the fingertips of the "hand".  Then

place the sprouting hand in a pot with sand & potting mix with the hand

about 1 - 2 inches beneath the surface.  Good drainage is essential.  Keep

it moist and warm and before you know it - a beautiful ginger plant will

appear.  This is a long process - it'll take a month or two.  Ginger is

invasive is keep it confined - it should do well in your area.  It does

great in the San Joaquin Valley - just protect from frost.



Larry Willey

wcoyote@lightspeed.net



"I respect faith, but doubt is what gets you an education."

    - Wilson Mizner -





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To: "HerbInfo list" <herbinfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger 

From: "Mary Russell" <bird@scrtc.blue.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:57:36 -0500

--------



Sheila, I just go to the store and try and find some ginger roots that are

nice and fat and look fresh .  I would set these in the ground like I would

a bearded iris.  Just barely cover with dirt.  Mine grew up in Port Hueneme

Ca.  Temps rarely got below

38 there.  I think you can also buy the plants in a nursery. 

Mary Russell      bird@scrtc.blue.net 





> 	How is ginger grown? Do you just start with a chunk of root or

> 	seeds or ?? Please share some of your secrets. How cold can the

> 	weather get? I live inland in San Diego County and the prospect

> 	of growing my own ginger fascinates me. 

> 	Thanks,

> Sheila in Southern Southern Califoria







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo:Vit A

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:55:30 -0400

--------

Most orange stuff is Vitamin A and you can get lots from eating

it. A medium carrot has about 10,000 IU of Vit A. Pumpkin,

squash, sweet potato,cantelop, shrimp,crab, lobster, all have

beta caroten which is Vit A. Ten or twenty years ago people

didn't know this. Pumkin is especially high in Vit A. more than

carrots.







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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: Re:Vit A E &D

From: "Mary Russell" <bird@scrtc.blue.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:43:01 -0500

--------

Vitamin A-E and D are all fat soluable and one can overdose on them.

Ideally one can get A by eating  Liver, and dark green vegetables  Fish

oils 

Vit E.  I am not positive but probably same places 

Vit D is produced by the body when it is exposed to the sun. It is also

added to milk

When I was a child my mother would not allow me in the sun for fear of

sunburn

we drank buttermilk she made because she sold butter so our milk wasn't

fortified with vit D.  By the time I was age 7 I had rickets.  At age 8 we

moved to California

bought city milk and I played in the sun--I got well but still have some

bumpy bones.

I think these three vitamins are the only ones that our body stores and the

only ones we can overdose on although I have heard of problems with some of

the B vitamins.

Mary Russell      bird@scrtc.blue.net 





----------

> From: Jennifer A. Bishop <jb@awnet.com>

> To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

> Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Comfrey

> Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 7:04 PM

> 

> At 08:10 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

> >In a message dated 97-07-23 18:15:43 EDT, margiesan@multipro.com writes:

> 

> >

> >I don't think Vit. A comes in a water-soluable form. It's a fat-soluable

> >vitamin, hence the overdose danger.

> 

> Does Vit E not become Vit A somehow... I could really be out

> to lunch here...but could a person not get enough Vit A by

> eating it... and taking VitE?

> 

> Let me know if I am really off base here... and if I am

> correct... what foods would contain the Vit A a person would need?

> 

> 





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re:Vit A E &D

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 01:50:11 -0400

--------

Some Vit. A is oil solulable. Some is water soluble. Vitamin  E

is harder to find in foods because it is such small amounts most

charts never state it's amount. Here is a good link that answers

Vit E. amounts.



http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Basil

From: cgileadi@itsnet.com (Cathy Gileadi)

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:24:54 -0700

--------

Hi,



My basil's going like mad, producing far more than I am using.



Aside from pesto on pasta, what do YOU use your basil for?  I made some

incredible herb-roasted potatoes with it the other day; you mince the basil,

parsely, and garlic, toss the chunked potatoes with olive oil and a quarter

of the herbs and bake till they're tender.  Then remove from the oven and

toss with the remainder of the fresh herbs and salt and pepper.  They were

heavenly.



But I've still got plenty; I can dry and freeze it of course.  Any recipes?



Cathy

                                 







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Basil

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 01:57:31 -0400

--------

Basil seems to lose a lot when dried somehow. In ancient lore or

witchcraft adding basil plus another spice is adding love to your

food.  I use the ice cube tray method. Garlic , basil etc, then

put in freezer bags for cooking with in winter. It also goes

great with anything tomato.







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Basil

From: Jan Schmidt <jans@rnet.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 05:44:30 PDT

--------

Cathy,

 Basil loses it's flavor when dried, for a fresher flavor try pureeing it with olive oil and freezing it in ice cube trays, pop out and place in freezer bags.

Jan S.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Where there is Life , There is Hope!

Where there is Dirt, There is Soap!

All things are Possible for those that Love the Lord!!!

Auntie Jan's Herbs & Botanicals

JANS@RNET.COM

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

















==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Basil

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:56:13 -0400

--------

I use my basil in sauce and being Italian I make alot of sauce! I also

basil add to my salad dressing, the dry packs that allow you to make

your own. Being from Philadelphia I have access to Jersey tomatos, the

best in the world, and I usually slice them in thick slices and put them

in the oven with cheese and I use basil on them as well---YUMMY!! I also

add basil to the water that my corn on the cob is cooking in, adds a

nice flavor. I also add basil to soft cheese and cream cheese, again a

nice flavor! I hope that this gave you some ideas! 

Blue





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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: St. John's Wort

From: Sheri McGregor <mcgregor@adnc.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:04:45 +0000

--------

Hi, I'm new to the list so excuse if this is something that's been covered

recently. 



    I'm interested in learning more about St. John's Wort after all the

hoopla in the media about using it to treat depression.  Does anyone know

if it would make a difference what preparation is used?  Tincture? Tablets?

Tea? etc.  



Sheri







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: St. John's Wort

From: J <soreal@home.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:37:50 -0400

--------

Sheri et al,



I am also new to this list. My interest lies mainly in the use of herbs

in healing, and I am getting some great info from you all.



Re the St. John's Wort, please go to this page:



http://mypage.direct.ca/k/kelm/stjohns.html



I found it last week when I was researching alternative treatments for

depression for a friend. I know people who have had amazing results with

the SJW, and have weaned off meds entirely. 



Joan





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: St. John's Wort

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:33:49 -0400

--------

I would think it would be a matter of choice. Tea is easiest in my

opinion to make. Do make sure that it is quality herb and if it is you

won't go wrong in what you make, at least I hope not!!

Blue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: St. John's Wort

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:23:50 GMT

--------

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:33:49 -0400, blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net> wrote to

HerbInfo@bolis.com:



>I would think it would be a matter of choice. Tea is easiest in my

>opinion to make. Do make sure that it is quality herb and if it is you

>won't go wrong in what you make, at least I hope not!!



If you buy your herb at the nearest store: tincture is the way to go.

If you pick your own: recently dried would perhaps be ok as a tea, but this one

loses potency quite fast, and tincture will keep longer.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: St. John's Wort

From: Lesa Brodeur <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:57:48

--------



>if it would make a difference what preparation is used?  Tincture? Tablets?

>Tea? etc.  



I have capsules, 150 MG each, recommend of 2/3xday.



Lesa





>

>Sheri

>

>





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: St. John's Wort

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:21:12 -0500

--------

All recomendations that I have read... and the directions

on my capsules say   300mg 3 times per day..



I am using standardized SJW...



Maybe read up on it at www.hypericum.com  before you really

start using and find out as much as you can about it here.



Everyone here is most helpful...then make your own 

decision.



I have been using for a couple of weeks now and I find that

it is helping me.  The effect is gradual for me and what 

really is happening is not that I feel anything but, that

when I think about it 'I don't feel something'.. did that

make sense?  Sure hope so.



Best Regards Always

Jennifer

===





At 10:57 PM 7/24/97, you wrote:

>

>>if it would make a difference what preparation is used?  Tincture? Tablets?

>>Tea? etc.  

>

>I have capsules, 150 MG each, recommend of 2/3xday.

>

>Lesa

>

>

>>

>>Sheri

>>

>>

>







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: RE: HerbInfo: St. John's Wort

From: "Mike Novar" <mnovo@msn.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 03:49:55 UT

--------

Information regarding St. John's Wort is posted on my web site if you don't 

have access to the web or are unable to retrieve the data please contact me 

and I will private email it to you.



Best of Health



John Novar

Kombucha Power

http://www.kombuchapower.com

St. John's Wort natures antidepressant

Herbal Phen-Fen a natural way to loose weight



-----Original Message-----

From:	HerbInfo-Sender@bolis.com  On Behalf Of Sheri McGregor

Sent:	Thursday, July 24, 1997 2:05 AM

To:	herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject:	HerbInfo: St. John's Wort



Hi, I'm new to the list so excuse if this is something that's been covered

recently. 



    I'm interested in learning more about St. John's Wort after all the

hoopla in the media about using it to treat depression.  Does anyone know

if it would make a difference what preparation is used?  Tincture? Tablets?

Tea? etc.  



Sheri







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: RE: HerbInfo: St. John's Wort

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:59:29 -0500

--------

Go to www.hypericum.com  ... you will find out a lot about

SJW... and it has no commercial interest really that

I could see..  That will help you make your decisions..



On USENET the Newsgroup   alt.herbs.folklore (I think or 

maybe it is reversed) has a lot of discussion on it also.



Best Regards,

jb









>From:	HerbInfo-Sender@bolis.com  On Behalf Of Sheri McGregor

>Sent:	Thursday, July 24, 1997 2:05 AM

>To:	herbinfo@bolis.com

>Subject:	HerbInfo: St. John's Wort

>

>Hi, I'm new to the list so excuse if this is something that's been covered

>recently. 

>

>    I'm interested in learning more about St. John's Wort after all the

>hoopla in the media about using it to treat depression.  Does anyone know

>if it would make a difference what preparation is used?  Tincture? Tablets?

>Tea? etc.  

>

>Sheri

>

>







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: introduction and question

From: Debra Eisert <debra@iglou.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 07:39:15 -0400

--------

Hi!  Yet another introduction -- I'm Debra.  My interest

in herbs lies in rasing (on a small scale), cooking, 

folklore.  Recently I have gotten into using herbs

and essential oils to make my own personal care products.



And that is where I have a question.  Some of my formulas

ask for cosmetic clay.  Have any of you used it?  What is

it,  and where can you get it?





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: introduction and question

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:47:06 -0400

--------

I have some powder in a one pound jar size called Indian healing

clay. It is dry form. Add water or apple cider vinegar for a face

mask to remove blackhead or can be used as a poltice.The

ingredient is organic bentonite. Having once been a potter  I

know this would be available at a pottery supply place. This is a

Heritage product, Virginia Beach Va(Edgar Cacey area)







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: introduction and question

From: Debra Eisert <debra@iglou.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:13:43 -0400

--------

Thanks!  That is exactly what I wanted,  and now I have lots of 

possibilities for finding it locally.  It just really helps to

have someone to "talk" to.  (I am an interest group of one, here.)









At 02:47 PM 7/24/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I have some powder in a one pound jar size called Indian healing

>clay. It is dry form. Add water or apple cider vinegar for a face

>mask to remove blackhead or can be used as a poltice.The

>ingredient is organic bentonite. Having once been a potter  I

>know this would be available at a pottery supply place. This is a

>Heritage product, Virginia Beach Va(Edgar Cacey area)

>

>

>





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Moth balls

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:18:54 -0500

--------

On 24 Jul 97 at 6:30, Mary Russell wrote about Re: HerbInfo: Re growing ginger



> I have used moth balls to keep mice away from basement areas where I store



does anyone know the spanish word for  <moth balls> ?



TIA

Osvaldo 

EcuaNet

Internet: osf@ecua.net.ec





==========

To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Moth balls

From: "Mary Russell" <bird@scrtc.blue.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:46:55 -0500

--------

Polilla is the spanish word  for moth but I don't know the rest. 

Mary Russell      bird@scrtc.blue.net 

----------

> From: Osvaldo <osf@ecua.net.ec>

> Date: Thursday, July 24, 1997 8:18 AM

> 

> On 24 Jul 97 at 6:30, Mary Russell wrote about Re: HerbInfo: Re growing

ginger

> 

> > I have used moth balls to keep mice away from basement areas where I

store

> 

> does anyone know the spanish word for  <moth balls> ?

> 

> TIA

> Osvaldo 

> EcuaNet

> Internet: osf@ecua.net.ec





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Moth balls

From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:18:41 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-24 15:01:47 EDT, you write:



<< does anyone know the spanish word for  <moth balls> ?

 

 TIA

 Osvaldo 

 EcuaNet

 Internet: osf@ecua.net.ec >>



Moth ball: bola de alcanfor; bola de naphtalina



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: licorice as sweetener

From: "TL" <t-lynn@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:38:57 -0400

--------

Anyone know the comparison of licorice and sugar/honey - calerie/fat wise?

How do you use licorice as a sweetener?

Terrie





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: licorice as sweetener

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:28:44 -0400

--------

I am not sure of the fat/calorie count of licorice but you can put it in

tea for sweetness and flaovor or anything else where you need the sweet

taste. Do watch out though, it is not recommended if you have a history

of high blood pressure. But other then that if you can stand the taste(I

can't!!).....

Blue





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: licorice as sweetener

From: Mjmoongold@aol.com

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:42:23 -0400 (EDT)

--------

I've never used licorice as a sweetener except to make bitter root teas more

palatable. If you're looking for a sugar substitue, you might want to look

into Stevia. It is native to South America and imported from there. It can be

ground into a fine powder amd used as a sugar substitute. I can't remember

the exact ratio, but its something like 2000 times more sweet than sugar, so

calories shouldn't be an issue.



Take care,



Mary Joan Deutshcbein

aspiring herbalist

Moon Gold Press and Workshops

mjmoongold@aol.com





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: licorice as sweetener

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:19:42 -0400

--------

Chromium picolinate, a substamce on the banned Canadian list

codex list of banned herbs etc sent in by Sam Brooks

helps get rid of sugar craving. Earl Mindell ( the Vitamin Bible

says this on sugars.

Too Many Sugars



More than a hundred substances that qualify as sweet can be

called sugars. The ones we come in

contact with most often are fructose, a natural sugar found in

fruit and honey; glucose, the body's

blood sugar and the simplest form of sugar in which a

carbohydrate is assimilated; dextrose,

made from corn starch and chemically identical to glucose;

lactose, milk sugar; maltose, the

sugar formed from the starch by the action of yeast; and sucrose,

the sugar that is obtained from

sugar cane or beets and refined to the product that reaches us as

granules.



Sugar uses up the body's reserves of B vitamins, and zaps your

body of energy. Dr. Mindell

recommends that if you need a sweetener, try honey or blackstrap

molasses.



       Stress B complex, 100 mg, A.M. and P.M.

       Tyrosine, 500 mg, an hour before eating

       Phenylalanine, 500 mg, an hour before eating

       Chromium picolinate, 200 mcg, 3 daily (this reduces sugar

craving)







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: Celery Seed & Chickweed

From: sjdevilliers@oldmutual.com (Sam J de Villiers)

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 08:34:41 PDT

--------

Hi, I'm Sam (Samantha if you don't want to confuse people!!) I joined the

list yesterday. I've been 'mildly-avid' about herbs for a few years (ever

since reading The Clan of the Cave Bear!!) and have acquired a few books in

the process.



>Mary wrote:

> Hi, I am Mary, Just joined this list yesterday as a break from genealogy

> and to 

> answer some questions I have about using herbs for certain ailments. 

> Couldn't pass on the chickweed---I raise birds- parakeets, Parrots etc. 

> Chickweed is the one thing that they will gorge on.  They love it and it

> must have lots of vitamins because they feed it to their babies and the

> babies grow faster and their colors are marvelous.

> If it is indeed an appetite suppresser I really need to eat it myself

cause

> I'm an

> old dumpling grandma. 

> Now I have a question -my friend has gout and I have heard something about

> Celery

> seed or oil helping gout.  Does anyone have knowledge of this? 

> 

> ----------

> > From: Jennifer A. Bishop <jb@awnet.com>

> > Questions To Everyone:::::::::\

> > Does Chickweed really work as an Appetite Suppessor?  And what

> > other properties does it have... ie vitamins etc and other

> > uses.

> > Thanks in Advance..

> > Best Regards,

> > Jennifer

> 



I don't have that much 'Know-how' but picked up a very old book on herbs a

couple of years ago where the author mentioned treating rheumatism with

celery seeds boiled in milk. The intention being to drink the milk

afterwards. That's about the only think I think I've found so far about

celery seed, besides that fact that it STINKS when boiled in milk! If

anyone is interested I'll see if I can find the book (I've just moved!!)

and look up a bit more!!



I don't know about chickweed being an appetite suppressant, but I know that

fennel seeds are. (And they taste nice too!) The method is to keep a

handful with you and chew on a couple of seeds  whenever you feel a bit

peckish!! Freshens the breath too!!



Ciao

Sam



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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: Vit A

From: sjdevilliers@oldmutual.com (Sam J de Villiers)

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 08:46:29 PDT

--------

Hi, Sam(antha) again,



I'm REALLY not sure about this, but isn't liver rich in Vit A. I know when

I was a kid in the UK my Grandma always used to give me a BIG tablespoon of

Malt and Cod Liver oil everyday, and that seemed to give the system a

boost. (It doesn't taste so bad when it's MALT and Cod Liver oil - C.L. oil

by itself is disgusting!!) 



Assuming you guys are mostly USA based, I have no idea where you'd be able

to pick some up, but here (Cape Town, South Africa) most of the pharmacies

and some supermarkets sell it.



Ciao

Sam



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> At 08:10 PM 7/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

> >In a message dated 97-07-23 18:15:43 EDT, margiesan@multipro.com writes:

> 

> >

> >I don't think Vit. A comes in a water-soluable form. It's a fat-soluable

> >vitamin, hence the overdose danger.

> 

> Does Vit E not become Vit A somehow... I could really be out

> to lunch here...but could a person not get enough Vit A by

> eating it... and taking VitE?

> 

> Let me know if I am really off base here... and if I am

> correct... what foods would contain the Vit A a person would need?

> 

> 









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: new member to herbinfo<ADMIN REPLY>

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:36:40 -0700 (PDT)

--------

At 12:34 PM 7/24/97 -0400, Terrie wrote:



>It looks like a lot of us joined within the past few days.

REPLY-

Very True.  HerbInfo went on-line over Memorial Day Weekend.

There was a brief flurry of activity and everything got quiet.

I got so busy at work that I did not have the time to devote

to promoting my list, so it languished for awhile.

Finally got around to list promotion and we now have a significant

group of listees.  Have not seen the latest stats, but I do believe

that we are pushing very close to 200 members.



BTW & FWIW--I'm far from being a master herbalist.  There are others

on the list with a knowledge that far surpasses mine.  I just happen

to have an interest in herbs and alternative therapies.  As well,

I have an interest in the Internet and e-mail list servers.

In addition to herbinfo, I own/manage an automotive list which

is about two times larger than this.



In real life, I'm an X-Ray/CAT Scan Tech at Cedars-Sinai

Medical Center in Los Angeles.  It proves to be an interesting

mix when getting into discussions regarding allopathic medicine.



>I joined several days ago and thought the list was primarily about 

>herbs used in healing, whether in pill or fresh form. 

>I did NOT think it was about cooking. Seems like we have a mix 

>for everyone here. I know I see a lot of tips flying

>back and forth.



REPLY-

Something for everyone regarding herbs.  Thats a part of the

philosophy of HerbInfo.  To me, it does not make sense to be

on several different lists to learn about the medical uses,

the culinary uses and the growing/propogation of a single herb.

The road of knowledge has many different paths.



For those of you who have never seen the "information file"

for this list can get a copy by doing the following;



send an e-mail  to      majordomo@bolis.com



in the body of your message say    info herbinfo



It should come back to you in a few minutes.



Many thanks to Terrie.  Her post prompted me to respond.



And a large welcome to all of you on the HerbInfo List.



Feel free to e-mail any time



Sam Brooks

HerbInfo List

sbrooks@earthlink.net







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Posting and Advertisements

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:57:12 -0700 (PDT)

--------

Hello List Members;



It has been pointed out that I omitted a significant bit of information

in the "welcome" file.



You may post to the list by sending your messages to:



                  herbinfo@bolis.com



My apologies.



Also, personal buy/sell/wanted posts are permitted on HerbInfo.



HerbInfo also permits commercial posts with prior approval

from the list owner.



Sam

sbrooks@earthlink.net

HerbInfo List









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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: STAND HERBAL EXTRACTS, Gurmar<Reply>

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:09:32 -0700 (PDT)

--------

Hello List,



Yesterday, one of the topics discussed was 

Gurmar aka Gymnema Sylvestre.



I asked info regarding this from an Indian Company specializing

in standardized herbal extracts.  This is their response.

There will be a second post with other herbal extracts offered.

I have no affiliation or business interests with this firm.

The information is offered solely for the benefit of members.



>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:43:24 +0530

>From: Barua <jedi@earthling.net>

>Reply-To: jedi@earthling.net

>Organization: Axis

>To: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

>Subject: Re: SELL : STANDARDISED HERBAL EXTRACTS<Reply>

>References: <199707232020.NAA05613@norway.it.earthlink.net>

>

>Dear Sam,

>

>Here's the info on Gymnema Sylvestre

>

>> > Right now, the topic for discussion seems to be Gurmar.

>> Any background info for this extract?

>Nature: Extract from Leaf used for centuries in Ayurveda

>

>The leaf contains: Gymnemic Acid, Organic composition(C32H58o12), a

>complex mixture of 9 closely related acidic glycosides.

>

>Uses: Astringent,Stomachic, Tonic and Refrigerant

>      Anti-Diabetic - abolishes the taste for sugar

>      Useful in skin disorders secondary to diabetes

>      Useful in Leucoderma 

>

>Pharmacological & Biological Activity:

>Leaves cause hypoglycaemia in lab animals which sets soon after

>administration by mouth. It is assumed that the drug acts on the

>carbohydrate metabolism. It also stimulates the heart and circulatory

>system, increases urine secretion and activates the uterus.

>

>In open clinical trials with 27 insulin dependant patients, insulin

>requirements, fasting blood glucose, glycosylated haemoglobin and serum

>lipids were significantly reduced over a 6 to 34 month period. Gymnema

>appeared to enhance endoqenous insulin possibly by regeneration of the

>residual beta cells.It anaesthises the sweet taste buds - an effect that

>can last for several hours.

>

>

>> > Do you have a US contact for sales?

>No. But we'd like to tie up with people who could help market our

>extracts in the US.

>

>> > If not, can listmembers order direct from India? How?

>Yes. Payment by Demand Draft or LC for large orders. Min quantity 10Kgs.

> 

>> > What is the price of extract?

>Gymnema Sylvestre (25% GA ,Dry Ext.  4 : 1) / USD 18.00 /Kg

>FOB Bombay, India

>

>> > Will post your reply to herbinfo list.

>Thanks

>PS. Are you posting the full list of extracts I'd sent you?

>

>Regards

>Anondo

>

>

>







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: SELL : STANDARDISED HERBAL EXTRACTS

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:11:57 -0700 (PDT)

--------

Forwarded by Sam Brooks, HerbInfo List



>Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:24:33 +0530

>From: Barua <jedi@earthling.net>

>Reply-To: jedi@earthling.net

>Organization: Axis

>To: herbinfo-owner@bolis.com

>Subject: SELL : STANDARDISED HERBAL EXTRACTS

>

>We market a wide range of over 75 Standardised Herbal Extracts of high

>quality. These are manufactured by our principals, M/s Gwalior Forest

>Products Ltd, a Public Limited Company established in 1942, and one of

>India's leading manufacturers of quality Natural Extracts for over 50

>years.

>

>Please find below our list of Standardised Extracts. We shall be glad to

>revert with detailed technical specifications and commercial information

>on specific products you may be interested in.

>

>		LIST OF STANDARDISED HERBAL EXTRACTS

>	*****************************************************

>

> Legend : Botanical Name/(Local Name)/ Soft Extract/ Dry Extract	

>**************************************************************************	

>1. Acacia Arabica Nilotica Bark/(Babul)/-------/ 10 : 1

> 

>2. Acacia Catechu Gum/(Khadira)/-------/ 3 : 1

> 

>3. Acacia Concinna Pods/(Shikakai)/ 4 : 1 / 8 : 1

> 

>4. Achyranthes Aspera Plant/ (Apamarga, Latjira)/ 6 : 1 / 10 : 1	 

> 

>5. Adhatoda Vasica Leaves/ (Vasaka)/3 : 1 / 5 : 1

> Adhatoda Vasica Purified/ 1.5% to 3% Alkaloids

> 

>6. Aegel Marmelos unripe fruit/ (Bael)/2 : 1 / 4 : 1

> 

>7. Allium Cepa Bulbs/(Piyaz)/2 : 1 / 10 : 1

> 

>8. Allium Sativum bulbs/(Lasan)/------/ 10 : 1

> 

>9. Aloe Vera	Clear Gel/(Ghrita Kumari)/3 : 1 / 100 : 1

> 

>10. Andrographis Paniculate Plant/(Kalmegh)/ Andrographoli-des 8 % and

>above

> 

>11. Asparagus Racemosus Root/(Shatavari)/2 : 1 / 4 : 1

> 

>12. Azarirachita Indica Leaves/(Neem)/------/ 10 : 1

> 

>13. Azadirachita Indica Bark/(Neem)/-------/ 8 : 1

> 

>14. Bacopa Monnieri Herb/(Nira Brahmi)/5 : 1 /-------

> 

>15. Bauhinia Variegata Bark/(Kachnar)/------/ 10 : 1

> 

>16. Boerhaavia Diffusa Root/(Punernava)/5 : 1 / 8 : 1

> 

>17. Boswellia Serrata Gum	/(Shallaki)/-------/ 3 : 1

> 

>18. Capsicum spp. Fruit/(Lalmirch, Chilli)/2 to 6 % Capsaicin content

> 

>19. Cassia Fistula Fruit/(Amaltas)/3 : 1 / 5 : 1

> 

>20. Celastrus Paniculatus Seed/(Malkanguni)/------/ 15 : 1

> Celastrus Paniculatus Oil/ 5 : 1 /-------

> 

>21. Centella Asiatica Plant/Mandukaparni/ 7 : 1 / 6 : 1

> 

>22. Cephaelis Ipecacuanha Root/(Ipecac)/6% to 10 %/-------

> 

>23. Critus Reticulate / Sinensis peel/(Orange Peel) /4 : 1/-------	

> 

>24. Coleus Forskholli / upto 40% Forskohlin

> 

>25. Commiphora Mukul Gum/(Guggal)/10 : 1composite /6 : 1

> 

>26. Convolvulus Pluricaulis/(Sankhapushpi)/ 7 : 1 / 10 : 1

> 

>27. Curcuma Longa Rhizome/Haldi/10 : 1 / 7 : 1

> 

>28. Datura Stramonium Herb/(Dhatura)/0.7% to 1.5% Alkaloids/-------

> 

>29. Daucus Carota Seeds/(Gajar)/------/ 10 : 1

> 

>30. Eclipta Alba Plant/(Bhringaraja)/6 : 1 / 10 : 1

> 

>31. Emblica Officinalis/(Amla)/-------/ 20 : 1

> Vitamin C -  0.5%

> 

>32. Ephedra Vulgaris Herb/1.5% to 5%/1.5% to 2.5%

> 

>33. Euphorbia Hirta Herb/5 : 1 / 8 : 1

> 

>34. Ficus Racemosa Bark/(Gular)/ 10 : 1/-------

> Ficus Racemosa Leaf/5 : 1/-------	

> 

>35. Glycyrrhiza Glabra Root/(Jasthimadhu / Mulhatti)/3 : 1 / 5 : 1

> 

>36. Garcenia Combogia / HCA 50% +

> 

>37. Gymnema Sylvestre Leaf/(Gurmar)/-------/ 7 : 1

> 

>38. Ginger / (Adrak) / Vol. Oil 25%

> 

>39. Hemidesmus Indicus Root/(Anantamul)/5 : 1 / 8 : 1

> 

>40. Holarrhena Antidysenterica Bark/(Kurchi)/-------/ 2.5 to 6%

> 

>41. Lawsonia Alba / Inermis Leaves/(Mehndi/ Henna)/5 : 1 / 6 : 1

> 

>42. Leptadenia Reticulata Herb/(Jiwanti)/	6 : 1 / 10 : 1

> 

>43. Mucuna Pruiens Seeds	/(Kawach)/-------/8% & above

> 

>44. Ocimum Sanctum Herb/(Tulsi)/5 : 1 / 7 : 1

> 

>45. Operculina Turpethum Root Resin/(Nisoth)/------- /60 : 1

> 

>46. Phyllanthus Amarus/ Niruri herb/(Bhumi Amla)/ 7 : 1 / 10 : 1

> 

>47. Picrorhiza Kurroa Root/(Kutki / Katuka)/3 : 1 / 4 : 1

> 

>48. Piper Longum Fruit Oleoresin/	(Pippli)/ 7 : 1 / 4 : 1

> 

>49. Piper Nigrum Fruit/(Kalimirch)/ 10 : 1	/ -------

> 

>50. Plumbago Indica Root/ (Chitraka mool)/-------/ 5 : 1

> 

>51. Podophyllum Emodi/ hexandrum resin/-------/ Resins 20% +

> 

>52. Psoralea Corylifolia Seeds/ (Babchi)/	5 : 1 / 10 : 1

> 

>53. Pueraria Tuberosa/(Vidarikand)/ 12 : 1 / 18 : 1

> 

>54. Punica Granatum Rind/	(Anar ka Chhilka)/ 3 : 1 / 5 : 1

> 

>55. Rauwolfia Serpentia Seeds/(Sarpagandha)/ -------/ Alkaloids 8 %+

> 

>56. Rubia Cordifolia Root/(Manjistha)/7 : 1 / 10 : 1

> 

>57. Sapindus Cortex extract / Saponin 50% +

> 

>58. Solanum Xanthocarpum Herb/	(Kantakari)/ 5 : 1 / 8 : 1

> 

>59. Strychnos Nux Vomica Seeds/	(Kuchla)/ 4 to 8 % Alkaloids / 4 to 8 %

>Alkaloids

> 

>60. Swertia Chirata Plant/(Chiraita)/-------/ 8 to 12% bitters

> 

>61. Sylibum Marianum / Sylimarine 10%

> 

>62. Symplocos Racemosa Bark/(Lodhra)	/ 5 : 1	/ 8 : 1

> 

>63. Syzygium Cumini/(Jamun)/------/ 8 : 1

> 

>64. Terminalia Arjuna Bark/	(Arjuna)/-------/ 8 : 1

> 

>65. Terminalia Belerica Fruit/(Bahera)/------/ 3 : 1

> 

>66. Ternminalia Chebula Fruit/(Harir)/-------/ 4 : 1

> 

>67. Tinospora Cordifolia Root /(Guduchi)	/------/ 10 : 1

> 

>68. Trigonella Foenum-Graecum Seeds/(Methi dana)/-------/ 15 : 1

> 

>69. Tribulus Terrestris / Saponin 10%+

> 

>70. Trikatu/ 10 : 1 / 6 : 1

> 

>71. Triphla/	------- / 4 : 1

> 

>72. Tribulus Terrestris Fruit	/(Gokhru)/ 5 : 1 / 7 : 1

> 

>73. Urginea Indica/(Jangli Piyaz)/ 4 : 1 / -------

> 

>74. Vitex Negundo Leaves/	(Nirgundi)/ ------ / 5 : 1

> 

>75. Wedelia Calendulacea Herb/(Pitabhringi)/ 5 : 1 / -------

> 

>76. Withania Somnifera Flowers/(Ashwagandha)/ 5 : 1 / 10 : 1

> 

>77. Woodfordia Floribunda	Flowers/(Dhai ke phool)/ 5 : 1 / 10 : 1

> 

>78. Zingiber Officinale Rhizomes/(Adrak)/ 60 to 80% / 6 : 1

>Water solubised						4 : 1

>

>

>CONTACT :

>Anondo Barua  <axisad@bigfoot.com>    or   <jedi@earthling.net>

>Axis Corporate Services Pvt. Ltd.

>Latif mansion, Telli Cross Lane,

>Andheri (E), Bombay - 400069, INDIA.

>Tel: 91-22-8221116 / 1117 / 1079

>Fax: 91-22-8221080 / 6048143

>

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Menopause

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:47:41 -0400

--------

Someone posted about menopause and I can't find the message, seems I

have to become more organized *sigh*!! These herbs have been shown to

help in menapause---ginseng, black cohosh, rasberry, valerian and

pennyroyal. Making them into a tea, especially valerian, or looking for

them in capsule forms at your local health food store will work. I hope

this helps. I am doing research for my mother who is now going through

it and I will be experimenting on her(great way to get back at her for

all those times she grounded me!!!) and will post anything I find if you

would like?!

Blue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Menopause

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:47:20 -0500

--------

That would be terrific..



Black and Blue Cohosh are apparently very good because of the

estrogen replacement...



However other than the calming effect of Valerian I am not sure

what that would do...  ginseng... more energy maybe...



What would the raspberry do?



jb

===





At 02:47 PM 7/24/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Someone posted about menopause and I can't find the message, seems I

>have to become more organized *sigh*!! These herbs have been shown to

>help in menapause---ginseng, black cohosh, rasberry, valerian and

>pennyroyal. Making them into a tea, especially valerian, or looking for

>them in capsule forms at your local health food store will work. I hope

>this helps. I am doing research for my mother who is now going through

>it and I will be experimenting on her(great way to get back at her for

>all those times she grounded me!!!) and will post anything I find if you

>would like?!

>Blue

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Menopause

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:31:49 -0400

--------

I'm sorry, I was thinking of my mother when I put in raspberry, she

likes the taste and it helps with her stomache. Valerian as well because

she is most affected at night and has trouble sleeping at times. Sorry

for any confusion!

Blue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Menopause

From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 04:00:30 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-26 00:13:07 EDT, you write:



<< I'm sorry, I was thinking of my mother when I put in raspberry, she

 likes the taste and it helps with her stomache. Valerian as well because

 she is most affected at night and has trouble sleeping at times. Sorry

 for any confusion!

 Blue >>



Raspberry leaf tea an do a great deal to balance a woman's system, even

during menopause. Maybe you shouldn't be so hasty in tossing it aside.



Traiteusse@aol.com







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Menopause

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:23:02 -0400

--------

I had read that raspberry was beneficial in menopause. I am trying to

avoid any extra estrogen with her, she and I both feel she doesn't need

it. Any suggestions would be great. I had found a few but would have to

look for my journal. 

Blue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Menopause

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:02:54 -0500

--------

At 04:00 AM 7/26/97 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 97-07-26 00:13:07 EDT, you write:

>



What does it do?  And how?



TIA

jb

==



>

>Raspberry leaf tea an do a great deal to balance a woman's system, even

>during menopause. Maybe you shouldn't be so hasty in tossing it aside.

>

>Traiteusse@aol.com

>

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Reply to Trial Yarrow Draft - 08 June 97

From: Dara Laraway <dara@epix.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:55:57 -0500

--------

Sam J de Villiers wrote:

> 

> Hi Allan,

> 

> Sorry I can't tag on the end of your draft, but I've just pulled down the

> archive files. One of the uses I've found for yarrow is that a cup of

> yarrow tea in the morning is a wonderful pick-me-up. The book I read it in

> said that it's perfect for those 'I just get out of bed and face the day'

> days. I tried it, and it does work!!!!!!





Sam,



Is their a "recipe" for this tea??  I'm not sure if I would use the 

blossom or blossom and leaves??  Did you make your own when you tried 

it?  Perhaps I will feel like getting out of bed after all.



Thank you,

Dara









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Reply to Trial Yarrow Draft - 08 June 97

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:22:05 GMT

--------

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:55:57 -0500, Dara Laraway <dara@epix.net> wrote to

HerbInfo@bolis.com:



>Is their a "recipe" for this tea??  I'm not sure if I would use the 

>blossom or blossom and leaves??  Did you make your own when you tried 

>it?  Perhaps I will feel like getting out of bed after all.



Yarrow, Achillea millefolium. Pick the flower while it still has some yellow on

it (highest quality) - if the flowers are all grey they're over the hill (lower

quality). Dry either in bunches hanging from the roof, in a dehydrator, or on

some sheets of paper.



Tea: 1-2 teaspoons dried flowers (or a bit more fresh), 1,5 - 2 dl boiling

water. Pour water over flowers, let steep for 5-10 minutes, pour thru a sieve,

drink. (= standard infusion).



Happy to help.

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: "HerbInfo" <herbinfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: Reply to Trial Yarrow Draft - 08 June 97

From: sjdevilliers@oldmutual.com (Sam J de Villiers)

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 97 14:54:15 PDT

--------

Hi Allan,



Sorry I can't tag on the end of your draft, but I've just pulled down the

archive files. One of the uses I've found for yarrow is that a cup of

yarrow tea in the morning is a wonderful pick-me-up. The book I read it in

said that it's perfect for those 'I just get out of bed and face the day'

days. I tried it, and it does work!!!!!!



Ciao

Sam(antha)



sjdevilliers@oldmutual.com

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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Question?

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:04:58 -0400

--------

I would like to say that this is a great list!! I also have a question.

I am going to start planting my own herbs and I can only plant them in

pots. That being the case, does it matter what I grow? Or will it be a

choice thing? Any special precautions? Do I have to start them when the

threat of frost is over since I can keep them inside? Any

recommendations? Also does anyone have any tips for drying herbs? I

don't have an addict nor is my basement a good choice. Thank you and I

hope that these questions made sense!

Blue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Question?

From: "Rhonda J. Coleman" <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:09:29 -0700

--------

blue wrote:...Also does anyone have any tips for drying herbs? I don't

have an attic nor is my basement a good choice. Thank you and I  hope

that these questions made sense!

> Blue



Blue:  A neat way to dry, that I've read in my herb book, but haven't

tried, is to place them on small screens and put the screens inside your

car on a warm summer day!  That would make your car smell pretty neat as

well.  Oven drying is good also, but you must dry them on the very

lowest temperature you can get - 80-100 degrees (25-38 C).  If your hot

water heater is in a closet by itself, that is also a good place.  I've

dried roses that way and they come out beautifully.



Rhonda







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Question?

From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:58:12 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-25 08:08:22 EDT, you write:



<< Blue:  A neat way to dry, that I've read in my herb book, but haven't

 tried, is to place them on small screens and put the screens inside your

 car on a warm summer day!  That would make your car smell pretty neat as

 well.  Oven drying is good also, but you must dry them on the very

 lowest temperature you can get - 80-100 degrees (25-38 C).  If your hot

 water heater is in a closet by itself, that is also a good place.  I've

 dried roses that way and they come out beautifully.

 

 Rhonda >>



I lost an entire harvest of red clover drying it in the car.  Unfortunately,

I hadn't taken humidity into account.  Even though I had left a gap open for

circulation, the humidity was so high (I live in Southern Louisiana), it

soured.  Make sure you pick a nice dry day or two to do it, heat isn't

enough.  The car acts like a greenhouse and traps heat and humidity.  I have

dried other herbs in the car without too many problems, but be sure to watch

the humidity guage!



Traiteusse@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Question?

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:41:21 -0400

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I don't have a car but I do like the oven method. I wasn't sure if I

could use the oven and at what temp., but now I know. Thank you!

Blue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Question?

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:46:09 -0400

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What about microwave oven. Does anyone have thoughts on this

for drying herbs?







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Question?

From: Paul Vincent <pvincent@jellystone.u-net.com>

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:13:17 +0100

--------

At 07:46 PM 25/7/97 -0400, P.Nighswander wrote:

>What about microwave oven. Does anyone have thoughts on this

>for drying herbs?

>

>



I've successfully used my microwave to dry sage. Placing the leaves in a

single layer on kitchen paper towels seemed to give the best results. As

for the time, trial and error seemed to be the most effective way. I've got

some doubts, since before the leaves are dried, they're being cooked, but

the resulting dried sage was at least as flavoursome as shop-bought.







Paul Vincent

email: pvincent@jellystone.u-net.com

http://www.jellystone.u-net.com/

-----------------------------------------------------

"I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my father,

not screaming in terror like his passengers..."

-----------------------------------------------------





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re cats, mothballs, plants

From: "Rhonda J. Coleman" <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:11:10 -0700

--------

Mary Russell wrote:...Also anybody ---Is there some herbs or harmless

substance that will keep my 4 cats from using my potted plants for you

know what?  They can't seem to resist and of course it kills the

plants.  Mary Russell

> bird@scrtc.blue.net



I sure could use this information as well only my problem is outside

cats and the bed my mint plants are growing in.  I had heard the

mothball theory - been there, done that, doesn't work!  They have just

scooted the mothballs out of the way on gone on about their "business" -

sorry, I couldn't resist that one <g>!  Someone at a nursery told me

that Southern States (our farm supply store) carries a product that

repels cats from flower beds, but as of yet I haven't been there to

check it out.  I do know one thing mothballs works on, and that is

moles!  I poked holes in the ground all along their little trails,

dropped about 3 balls into each hole, covered them up, and the next

year, all the moles were gone!!  But then again, maybe that just works

on West Virginia moles!



Looking forward to more interesting posts

Rhonda







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To: HERBINFO@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Hietal hernia.

From: "Graham's Crackers" <graham@vax6.drc.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:01:42 EDT

--------

This isn't exactly herb related, but for that double hietal hernia, seek 

out a chiropractor.  They aren't perfect for every malady, but that is one 

thing they can fix so rapidly, it seems like magic.  After the treatment, 

they will give you some reflexology work to do on your own that will hurt 

like hell for a week, but the hietal hernia will be gone and you will be 

free of that sour stomach and reflux.



I know of no treatment for a hietal hernia that is nearly as effective as 

chiropractic.  Give it a go, you'll be glad you did.



Dan Graham





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Digest???

From: lbecker@mail.accesscomm.net (Linda Becker)

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:24:16 GMT

--------

Hi,

I just joined the list. I grow many herbs in my garden and use them in soap, oils and ointments I

make. 



This list has gotten really active and I was wondering if it is available in digest form. That would

be much easier for me if it is possible.





lbecker@mail.accesscomm.net





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To: HerbInfo <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: new subscriber

From: Elizabeth Patience Northern <pashe@indy.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:49:49 -0500

--------

Hi!

I am Patience, a new subscriber.

My interest in herbs lst is food from the woods.

Second,in the food line; spices.

First, in health, old Indian, Melungeon or Virginia remedies. 

Secondly, I raise and show Maine Coon Cats and I am interested in

remedies for cats as well as food.  They seem to know what they need as

they forage in the herb world  and I would like to know what plants to

have and not to have.



This looks like an interesting list.  I am looking forward to it.

Patience Northern

Blossomhave Maine Coons.

Pashe@indy.net





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: good reference book

From: "John A. Walker" <jawalk00@pop.uky.edu>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:56:29 -0400

--------

Hi folks - I'm also new to the list.  I've been looking for a detailed book

on the use of herbs.  Specifically, I need information on how to go from

harvest to use.  For example, if I were growing some Echinacea, I would

want to know how to harvest it, what quantities to use for tinctures, or

teas or whatever. So I guess the book might have some recipes.  It would

also provide the basics in regards to making tinctures, teas, etc. There

may not be one source that would do all that.



My interest is in alternative remedies, self sufficiency and the like.  If

there is anything out there that might help, I'm sure you folks would know.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. - 



Thanks , 

John





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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: good reference book

From: "Margaret Long Mabrey" <margiesan@multipro.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 19:16:12 -0500

--------

John,

If you find out a book title that is good for processing the herb after it

is grown, please let me know.  I have dozens of books on growing,

recognizing, etc, but not what part of the plant to use and how to use it.

Thanks,

Maegaret

margiesan@multipro.com



----------

> From: John A. Walker <jawalk00@pop.uky.edu>

> To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

> Subject: HerbInfo: good reference book

> Date: Thursday, July 24, 1997 3:56 PM

> 

> Hi folks - I'm also new to the list.  I've been looking for a detailed

book

> on the use of herbs.  Specifically, I need information on how to go from

> harvest to use.  For example, if I were growing some Echinacea, I would

> want to know how to harvest it, what quantities to use for tinctures, or

> teas or whatever. So I guess the book might have some recipes.  It would

> also provide the basics in regards to making tinctures, teas, etc. There

> may not be one source that would do all that.

> 

> My interest is in alternative remedies, self sufficiency and the like. 

If

> there is anything out there that might help, I'm sure you folks would

know.

> Any help would be greatly appreciated. - 

> 

> Thanks , 

> John





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: good reference book

From: Swampy <swampy@pinn.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:38:54 -0400

--------



I   have several great books. Purchased from Waldens andBarnes and Noble...



Herbs for the Home by Jekka McVicar

This has pictures of the herbs...leaves...how to plant...how to  harvestand

what medicinal purposes it has...

Dyes, oils, Harvesting, container



the other is

the complete Book of Herbs 

A practical guide to  growing and using herbs. by Lesley Bremness.



Has pictures of the seeds roots leaves plant. cultivation uses household

cosmetic aromatic and medicinal......



I have other if intersted. 



Swampy 



A  woman wins by giving  herself and other women  permission-to eat; to  be

 sexual; to  age; to wear overalls, a paste tiara a Balenciaga gown, a

second-hand opera cloak,  or combat  boots; to cover up or to go

practically naked; to  do whatever  we choose in following-or ignoring- our

own aesthetic.Naomi Wolf

http://www.pinn.net/~swampy





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To: "Herbinfo" <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: good reference book

From: Allan Moult <summerhill@tassie.net.au>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 11:13:14 +1000

--------

On 7/25/97 6:56 AM John A. Walker wrote: 



>Hi folks - I'm also new to the list.  I've been looking for a detailed book

>on the use of herbs.  Specifically, I need information on how to go from

>harvest to use.  For example, if I were growing some Echinacea, I would

>want to know how to harvest it, what quantities to use for tinctures, or

>teas or whatever. So I guess the book might have some recipes.  It would

>also provide the basics in regards to making tinctures, teas, etc. There

>may not be one source that would do all that.



Try and get hold of Jekka's Complete Herb Book by Jekka McVicar - 

published by Hodder & Stoughton. ISBN 0 7336 0038 7.



This is an excellent broad-based source.



cheers



Allan





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: good reference book

From: Mjmoongold@aol.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:42:04 -0400 (EDT)

--------

John asked

"I've been looking for a detailed book on the use of herbs.  Specifically, I

need information on how to go from harvest to use."



IMHO, the best all around harvest to use book is David Hoffman's New Holistic

Herbal. However, I don't have fifteen other books on my shelf for nothing; I

like to cross reference as much as possible. Maude Grieve's A Modern Herbal

is very interesting and helpful when it comes to harvesting.



Good luck. Working with the plants themselves and learning from them is my

favorite part of being an herbalist.



Mary Joan Deutschbein

aspiring herbalist

Moon Gold Press and Workshops

mjmoongold@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: Elizabeth Patience Northern <pashe@indy.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:09:47 -0500

--------

My vet. seems to have a salve, a capsule and some drops for treatement

of what he calls conjunctivitis.  This disease is extremely contagious.

I have one cat that I have been treating alternatively with these

remedies for 11 months.  None of the other cats are affected.  PLEASE

NOTE:  I AM NOT ASKING FOR MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS OR ADVISE.  



What I want to know is:  What herbs benefit the eyes.  I have eyebrite. 

Is there anything else?



Pashe@indy.net





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: Loren & Susan Bacon <bacons4@traveller.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:37:21 -0500

--------

Elizabeth Patience Northern wrote:

> 

> My vet. seems to have a salve, a capsule and some drops for treatement

> of what he calls conjunctivitis.  This disease is extremely contagious.

> I have one cat that I have been treating alternatively with these

> remedies for 11 months.  None of the other cats are affected.  PLEASE

> NOTE:  I AM NOT ASKING FOR MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS OR ADVISE.

> 

> What I want to know is:  What herbs benefit the eyes.  I have eyebrite.

> Is there anything else?

> 

> Pashe@indy.net



Sue>>> My daughter gets pink eye or conjunctivitis once in awhile.

I steep wild cherry bark and rinse her eyes with it (once it cools

of course) and it is gone in two days.  Seems to soothe her eyes

also.  Sue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: Marie Ferguson <mferguso@com1.med.usf.edu>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 16:18:32 -0500

--------

My daughter gets pink eye or conjunctivitis once in awhile.

I steep wild cherry bark and rinse her eyes with it...





Question - Where do you obtain wild cherry bark?









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: Loren & Susan Bacon <bacons4@traveller.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:29:51 -0500

--------

Marie Ferguson wrote:

> 

> My daughter gets pink eye or conjunctivitis once in awhile.

> I steep wild cherry bark and rinse her eyes with it...

> 

> Question - Where do you obtain wild cherry bark?



Sue>>> It is available at our local health food store, they

carry a large variety of fresh herbs, mostly medicinal ones.

Sue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: cgileadi@itsnet.com (Cathy Gileadi)

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:17:37 -0700

--------

>

>

>Sue>>> My daughter gets pink eye or conjunctivitis once in awhile.

>I steep wild cherry bark and rinse her eyes with it (once it cools

>of course) and it is gone in two days.  Seems to soothe her eyes

>also.  Sue



Red raspberry tea or Dr. Christopher's Eyebright formula, which contains

eyebright and red raspberry and other herbs, work well.  The best remedy I

ever heard of is mother's milk squirted right in the eye. . . of course

that's not always available :) but if you happen to be nursing a baby it's

great to treat one of the other children.



Cathy

>

>

                                 







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: Loren & Susan Bacon <bacons4@traveller.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 18:09:25 -0500

--------

Cathy Gileadi wrote:

> 

> >

> >

> >Sue>>> My daughter gets pink eye or conjunctivitis once in awhile.

> >I steep wild cherry bark and rinse her eyes with it (once it cools

> >of course) and it is gone in two days.  Seems to soothe her eyes

> >also.  Sue

> 

> Red raspberry tea or Dr. Christopher's Eyebright formula, which contains

> eyebright and red raspberry and other herbs, work well.  The best remedy I

> ever heard of is mother's milk squirted right in the eye. . . of course

> that's not always available :) but if you happen to be nursing a baby it's

> great to treat one of the other children.

> 

> Cathy

> >

> >

> 

Sue>>> Neat idea, but my daughter is 13 and has been weaned a

good many years now!!!  :)  Sue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: "Lori A. Campbell" <lcampbel@mail.coin.missouri.edu>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 13:57:40 -0500 (CDT)

--------





On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Cathy Gileadi wrote:



> >Sue>>> My daughter gets pink eye or conjunctivitis once in awhile.

> >I steep wild cherry bark and rinse her eyes with it (once it cools

> >of course) and it is gone in two days.  Seems to soothe her eyes

> >also.  Sue

> 

> Red raspberry tea or Dr. Christopher's Eyebright formula, which contains

> eyebright and red raspberry and other herbs, work well.  The best remedy I

> ever heard of is mother's milk squirted right in the eye. . . of course

> that's not always available :) but if you happen to be nursing a baby it's

> great to treat one of the other children.

> 

I have a little 7-yr. old Maltese rescued from a puppy mill.  She has so

much discharge from her eyes, I have to clean them everyday with a saline 

solution.  I have started giving her Eyebright with her food.  Any other

suggestions?



Lori> 







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: Elizabeth Patience Northern <pashe@indy.net>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:29:48 -0500

--------

Lori A. Campbell wrote:

> 

> On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Cathy Gileadi wrote:

> 

> > >Sue>>> My daughter gets pink eye or conjunctivitis once in awhile.

> > >I steep wild cherry bark and rinse her eyes with it (once it cools

> > >of course) and it is gone in two days.  Seems to soothe her eyes

> > >also.  Sue

> >

> > Red raspberry tea or Dr. Christopher's Eyebright formula, which contains

> > eyebright and red raspberry and other herbs, work well.  The best remedy I

> > ever heard of is mother's milk squirted right in the eye. . . of course

> > that's not always available :) but if you happen to be nursing a baby it's

> > great to treat one of the other children.

> >

> I have a little 7-yr. old Maltese rescued from a puppy mill.  She has so

> much discharge from her eyes, I have to clean them everyday with a saline

> solution.  I have started giving her Eyebright with her food.  Any other

> suggestions?

> 

> Lori>

When I raised Martese I used Diamond Eye.  Watch you r dog and if you

notice her retracing her steps instead of coming to across the lawn etc.

She may be blind.  I gave up the breed because of that.  I had one that

was so near blind she would follow me to the mail box and as I crossed

the lawn and called her to me she went to the house retracing her steps

then listened for my voice to come to me.  She was several years old

before I realized why.  My male was fine.





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: "Lori A. Campbell" <lcampbel@mail.coin.missouri.edu>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 23:18:56 -0500 (CDT)

--------





On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Elizabeth Patience Northern wrote:



> > Lori>

> When I raised Martese I used Diamond Eye.  Watch you r dog and if you

> notice her retracing her steps instead of coming to across the lawn etc.

> She may be blind.  I gave up the breed because of that.  I had one that

> was so near blind she would follow me to the mail box and as I crossed

> the lawn and called her to me she went to the house retracing her steps

> then listened for my voice to come to me.  She was several years old

> before I realized why.  My male was fine.



What is Diamond Eye?  I'm pretty sure she's not blind.  I've taken her

the vet about her eye discharge.  It seems he would have noticed if she

is.  She has "circling syndrome" from 7 yrs. in a puppy-mill cage - runs

in circles a lot.  But I see her looking straight at me and outside she

follows me wherever I go.



Lori



> 







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: Elizabeth Patience Northern <pashe@indy.net>

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 06:17:49 -0500

--------

Lori A. Campbell wrote:

> 

> On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Elizabeth Patience Northern wrote:

> 

> > > Lori>

> >

> What is Diamond Eye?  I'm pretty sure she's not blind.  I've taken her

> the vet about her eye discharge.  It seems he would have noticed if she

> is.  She has "circling syndrome" from 7 yrs. in a puppy-mill cage - runs

> in circles a lot.  But I see her looking straight at me and outside she

> follows me wherever I go.

> 

> Lori

> 

> >Have you ever seen Maltese being born?  Their scent instince is stronger than any dog I have ever seen.  You can put a wet puppy to the nipple and it will turn straight away as if it could see and head for the vegina.  In the woods Isolda would follow me mushroom hunting.  She would sniff around on her own while I did the same and when I went to the house she didn't come to me she went to where she left me and followed her own trail without fail.  She wasn't totally blind but could not see any distance.  Eyebright is a product available in some pet stores for poodles and maltese weepy eyes and eye staining.

Patience





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: Elizabeth Patience Northern <pashe@indy.net>

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:27:09 -0500

--------

Sorry Lori, I ment Diamond Eye not eyebright.  It was recommended to me

by a Maltese breeder in Michigan.

Patience





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: Elizabeth Patience Northern <pashe@indy.net>

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:28:52 -0500

--------

Elizabeth Patience Northern wrote:

> 

> Lori A. Campbell wrote:

> >

> > On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Elizabeth Patience Northern wrote:

> >

> > > > Lori>

> > >

> > What is Diamond Eye?  I'm pretty sure she's not blind.  I've taken her

> > the vet about her eye discharge.  It seems he would have noticed if she

> > is.  She has "circling syndrome" from 7 yrs. in a puppy-mill cage - runs

> > in circles a lot.  But I see her looking straight at me and outside she

> > follows me wherever I go.

> >

> > Lori

> >

> > >Have you ever seen Maltese being born?  Their scent instince is stronger than any dog I have ever seen.  You can put a wet puppy to the nipple and it will turn straight away as if it could see and head for the vegina.  In the woods Isolda would follow me mushroom hunting.  She would sniff around on her own while I did the same and when I went to the house she didn't come to me she went to where she left me and followed her own trail without fail.  She wasn't totally blind but could not see an

> Patience





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: herbs for eye infections

From: Herbs2you@aol.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:44:22 -0400 (EDT)

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Colloidal silver is also good for eye infections. D. Jetter





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: Herb Info:Sam

From: Swampy <swampy@pinn.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:12:06 -0400

--------

My thanks to you for starting this list. I have been growing flowers and

herbs  for over  30 years now, and still eager to learn as much as I

can...I agree with you in your point  about belonging to different list of

the same topic  to learn  different things., To have a one stop

shop...where we can learn tinctures, simples, growing knowledge, healing

knowledge, cooking knowledge (yick ;-) children are grown and  like taking

that time for other things)in one place is wonderful....



I never learned Latin  names for things only common names, and being from

the country in the south probably know  herbs by a  different name than

others, this to will be  interesting in  learning the different herbs found

in different locations....



Glad to be here.

Swampy 



A  woman wins by giving  herself and other women  permission-to eat; to  be

 sexual; to  age; to wear overalls, a paste tiara a Balenciaga gown, a

second-hand opera cloak,  or combat  boots; to cover up or to go

practically naked; to  do whatever  we choose in following-or ignoring- our

own aesthetic.Naomi Wolf

http://www.pinn.net/~swampy





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: How to's

From: Swampy <swampy@pinn.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:45:52 -0400

--------

We all must be careful when giving measurements to make teas, tinctures,

simples, etc...but I would like to see  the list  put the measurements on

their posts  for us that might want to try them.....



Pennyroyal is an herb to respect and not use willy nilly......I should NOT

BE USED in pregnancy or if you are suffering from kidney disease. I also

can cause dermatitis....



RESPECT  YOUR HERBS.....and  do not take lots of different ones at the same

time because if you have a reaction from them you won't  know which one....



We are all learning here, and there will e many folks just starting to

learn so we need to be careful, put the warnings we know about, put

measurements that we have sued......



Just my thoughts...don't want to  loose  any of you to a bad dosage.



Swampy

A  woman wins by giving  herself and other women  permission-to eat; to  be

 sexual; to  age; to wear overalls, a paste tiara a Balenciaga gown, a

second-hand opera cloak,  or combat  boots; to cover up or to go

practically naked; to  do whatever  we choose in following-or ignoring- our

own aesthetic.Naomi Wolf

http://www.pinn.net/~swampy





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: How to's

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 20:05:23 -0500

--------

Swampy...



Very good advise.  I am just learning (only been actively using herbs for

medicine and preventative medicine for about 2 years)and one of major problems

I have is that I can't ever seem to find a starting dosage.  



The bottle have a dosage but there is usually such a wide spread

like 2-4 capsules... thats a big difference when its in the 400mg

range... I start with the lowest give it time and then move up

but it sure would be nice to know a bit more..



In books I also read ... and it says... try this "xxxxxx" combination

and then listes maybe 5 or 6 different herbs... but no measurement...



Drives me crazy..........



So... warnings and measurements would be great... 



Thanks for thinking about it and posting it :)



Best Regards,

jennifer

===







At 05:45 PM 7/24/97 -0400, you wrote:

>We all must be careful when giving measurements to make teas, tinctures,

>simples, etc...but I would like to see  the list  put the measurements on

>their posts  for us that might want to try them.....

>

>Pennyroyal is an herb to respect and not use willy nilly......I should NOT

>BE USED in pregnancy or if you are suffering from kidney disease. I also

>can cause dermatitis....

>

>RESPECT  YOUR HERBS.....and  do not take lots of different ones at the same

>time because if you have a reaction from them you won't  know which one....

>

>We are all learning here, and there will e many folks just starting to

>learn so we need to be careful, put the warnings we know about, put

>measurements that we have sued......

>

>Just my thoughts...don't want to  loose  any of you to a bad dosage.

>

>Swampy

>A  woman wins by giving  herself and other women  permission-to eat; to  be

> sexual; to  age; to wear overalls, a paste tiara a Balenciaga gown, a

>second-hand opera cloak,  or combat  boots; to cover up or to go

>practically naked; to  do whatever  we choose in following-or ignoring- our

>own aesthetic.Naomi Wolf

>http://www.pinn.net/~swampy

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Ice Cube Tray??????

From: scribe@wtp.net

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:52:39 -1000

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Greetings from Montana!  



A friend brought me some fresh basis last night and I have been walking

around with it pressed against my nose all morning!  I*t's wonderful. 

I'm new to this group also and will asking many questions.  So glad you

are all here.



Hate too sound to silly but what is the ice cube tray method?



Sandra





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Ice Cube Tray??????

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:39:28 -0400

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http://www.dnai.com/~ditty/pesto.htm

This describes the ice cube method





This describes some pesto recipies

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~mjw/recipes/sauces/pesto/pesto-coll.html







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To: Herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Moth Balls 

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:15:06 -0500

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On 24 Jul 97 at 17:18, TRAITEUSSE@aol.com wrote about Re: HerbInfo: Moth balls



>Moth ball: bola de alcanfor; bola de naphtalina



Tks Henrietta, however <alcanfor>  does not mean the same

than naftalina. <Naftalina>  is a quimical product, <Alcanfor>

is a plant.

Which one do you think is proper  to take mice away of

your garden ?

TIA

Osvaldo 

mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Moth Balls 

From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 07:37:35 -0400 (EDT)

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In a message dated 97-07-24 19:46:50 EDT, you write:



<< Tks Henrietta, however <alcanfor>  does not mean the same

 than naftalina. <Naftalina>  is a quimical product, <Alcanfor>

 is a plant.

 Which one do you think is proper  to take mice away of

 your garden ?

 TIA

 Osvaldo 

 mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec >>



Mice in a garden?  What do you think they are coming after?  Either one will

keep mice away. However, mice do not like peppermint or essential oil of

mints.  Planting mints would  help, but they do tend to take over a garden.

You also have to be careful about little children-they will pick up the moth

balls, thinking they are candy.  They don't care how awful the smell, kids

will pop anything into their mouths.

I personally would set traps for the mice or make sure there is nothing they

want to eat lying around.  We have a rush of mice into our homes every year

when they cut the sugarcane and have to set traps, etc., but I haven't heard

of them getting into anyone's garden.  Have you seen them?  Are you sure it

is mice nibbling on your garden?



Traiteusse@aol.com





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To: "Herbinfo" <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: Yarrow Update [LONG]

From: Allan Moult <summerhill@tassie.net.au>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 11:13:02 +1000

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July 25 1997



Greetings all - and especially all the new members of this list.



Herewith a progress report on the 'Yarrow draft' - as you can see it has been expanded by some excellent additional information. Thanks Henriette for the AKAs from Scandanavia. The personal observations are just what is needed. Keep them coming. If you extract something from a book, please include title, author, publisher and ISDN if possible. Thanks.



To list newcomers: This is part of an attempt to create a database 'library' of herbs for a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) section of the list. All contributions are welcome in the following format.



Herb name 

Observations 

Your name 

your email address





We've started with yarrow and will gradually expand the listings. Next in line are Dandelion, Borage and Wormwood.





Many thanks in advance for your contributions and please put the name of the herb you are discussing in the Subject area.





Allan Moult 

summerhill@tassie.net.au





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YARROW



Achillea millefolium



Family: Compositae



ALSO KNOWN AS: Carpenter's Weed, Devil's Nettle, Millefoil, Soldier's Woundwort, Woundwort, Nosebleed, Noble Yarrow, Milfoil, siankrsm (Finland), rlleka (Sweden), Schafgarbe (Germany)



PART USED: The herb



DESCRIPTION



A downy, aromatic, unbranched perennial reaching a height of 30-60cm /  1-2 feet. The dark green alternate leaves are pinnate and feathery in  appearance. The flowers, white cymes, appear in flat umbel-like clusters  June-November (northern hemisphere). Commercial growers are producing  yarrows with red, orange and pink flowers. They appear to be less  vigorous or invasive.



HABITAT



Yarrow is extremely common on all types of grassland throughout Europe.  It is naturalised in North America. It has the potential to become  invasive if not lifted and separated regularly.



CULTIVATION



All varieties can be propagated from seed or root division in spring,  preferably in a sunny, welldrained position, especially in grass. For  ongoing blooms keep deadheading.



HARVESTING



Collect the whole herb during the flowering season in sunny weather. Dry  it either in bunches or in thin, well-ventilated layers in the shade.  Alternatively, dry the herb using artificial heat not exceeding 32C / 90F.



The dried herb has a faint aromatic odour and an insipid but slightly  peppery taste.



USES



Garden: It makes a magnificent compost activator. 



Medicinal: Historically well known as a wound herb. Use the bruised leaves as a  poultice directly on the wound. Soak leaves in water for 24 hours and use  decoction for chapped skin and rashes. Can also be used as a mouthwash.



WARNINGS



Always take in moderation. Excess use can cause skin irritation. Should  not be taken by pregnant women. Do not take if you have high blood pressure. Yarrow elevates the blood pressure then lowers it or balances it. But if your blood pressure is high you will not want this particular action of yarrow. 





PERSONAL OBSERVATIONS:



<<This is a living document. Please feel free to add your observations, sources, resources, anecdotes and post back to the list. Please include your name and email address.>> ---------------------



Yarrow is also a superb diaphoretic.  When someone has a fever, put them into a (ginger if wanted) bath and give them lots of yarrow tea, lightly sweetened, cups and cups.  They'll sweat wonderfully, which is good for eliminating the toxins and pathogens.  Afterwards, have them sponge off with a cool cloth, put on clean cotton clothing and go to sleep.  This will often shorten an illness dramatically.



Cathy Gileadi 

6/97 cgileadi@itsnet.com 

-------------------



I use yarrow to keep our composting toilets up to scratch. I also add  comfrey, tansy, chamomile and valerian in small quantities. No odour or  insect problems. 



Allan Moult 6/97 

summerhill@tassie.net.au 

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Fresh leaves are good on cheese sandwiches - especially if you're taking a break weeding your plot, sitting down with dirty fingers and looking at the antics of birds nearby. (The same goes for Taraxacum flowers, Ribes nigrum leaves, Viola flowers, chives flowers, chives, and Alchemilla flowers, off the top of my head).



Pick the flower while it still has some yellow on it (highest quality) - if the flowers are all grey they're over the hill (lower quality). Dry either in bunches hanging from the roof, in a dehydrator, or on some sheets of paper.



Tea: 1-2 teaspoons dried flowers (or a bit more fresh), 1,5 - 2 dl boiling water. Pour water over flowers, let steep for 5-10 minutes, pour thru a sieve, drink. (= standard infusion).



Henriette Kress 6/97 

hek@hetta.pp.fi 

---------------



My son uses the fresh leaves to stop a nosebleed and I made a salve with dried herb to help with bleeding hemorroids.  



Lory Ann Smith 6/97 

Lory2x2@aol.com 

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We have used yarrow for infections of the bladder (cystitis). My daughter is very susceptible to them. If we make her a tea with yarrow and some mint for flavoring this seems to solve the problem before it gets worse. This is also suggested in the book The Holistic Herbal by David Hoffman, and we find that it really works.  



Sue Bacon  6/97 

bacons4@traveller.com 

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One of the uses I've found for yarrow is that a cup of yarrow tea in the morning is a wonderful pick-me-up. The book I read it in said that it's perfect for those 'I just get out of bed and face the day' days. I tried it, and it does work!



Sam(antha) de Villiers 7/97 

sjdevilliers@oldmutual.com 

--------------------------



Personal Experience With Yarrow.



Eight years ago, I had a severe stroke - not a blood clot, but a nerve clamping down on a vessel causing bleeding on the left side of the brain and paralized right side, global ammnesia, etc. This was caused from breathing paint cleaner fumes in an unventilated room (I was an artist working on several commissions) after recovery and therapy, I walked away with 30 percent of my right side working. 

Six months later I traveled to remote sites in the mid-East with my husband's work, and began to have several more strokes.  We discovered that I was having problems with gasoline fumes, exhaust fumes, bleach,etc. But I had several strokes before we found out other fumes would cause these same problems. 

To make a long story short---the vessels burst several times and I was in trouble. I found that "beloved Yarrow" could stop some of the extent of damage during a stroke. Yarrow stops bleeding even in small vessels. It has saved my life. I used yarrow on many occassions to help me.   

Happy Ending to Story. My husband retired, and we now live on a ranch surrounded by mountains in the Hill Country of Texas. There is fresh air, a river running past my house, - no chlorinated water - 150 miles to the nearest mall. I have been here 2 1/2 years and have not had one stroke. Yarrow stopped the bleeding and strengthened the vessels.



Second Experience: My son, 39 yrs old, cut the palm of his hand very deeply late at night. He was bleeding severely. Since I was visiting, I carried Yarrow capsules for emergencies with strokes, --I broke open several Yarrow capsules and poured the yarrow directly into the cut. The bleeding stopped immediately.  He hand healed remarkably well.



Third Experience: Yarrow tea for colds. The first onset of a cold, brew three teaspoons of yarrow (flower) in a pint canning jar. Pour boiling water over the yarrow and seal. Let steep for at least 20 minutes. Drink very warm, and take a nap. If you take this tea at the first on-set of a cold, probably only one cup will be necessary.  



Kathy Neff 6/97 

kgneff@swtexas.net 

------------------





Keep them coming. If you like send your personal notes direct to me at summerhill@tassie.net.au.



Cheers for now



Allan Moult





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Yarrow Update [LONG]

From: Lesa Brodeur <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:26:30

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>To list newcomers: This is part of an attempt to create a database

'library' of herbs for a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) section of the

list. All contributions are welcome in the following format.



So, I am assuming that there will be a FAQ with all of these wonderful

write ups including personal observations on an many herbs?

This is great.  I don't know if I missed this in the welcome letter or not,

but anyway, it is very informative, and as you can imagine, I am saving

every single one of them, and will have my own little database right here

in my computer.

Better than a book!

Lesa :-)









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To: "Herbinfo" <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Trial Yarrow Draft

From: Allan Moult <summerhill@tassie.net.au>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 11:13:16 +1000

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On 6/13/97 9:09 AM Kathryn & George Neff wrote: 



>I have graduated from the Herbal School of Medicine in London,

>England,six years ago, and in my course material there is technical

>information about the chemical analysis of Yarrow and also all of the

>many things that Yarrow can do and why.  I will post this to the list

>in as brief a form as possible if you want this information.



Thank you for your most intersting post. Please forgive the delay in 

replying but I am  involved on a day-to-day basis with a very sick 

daughter.

I'd appreciate you sending me the information you mention above and I 

will adapt it to the post on Yarrow.





Many thanks





Allan



______________________________________________________________



Allan Moult, Consulting Editor & Herb Columnist

Gardening Australia Magazine

snail mail: Summerhill Farm, Nubeena 7184, Tasmania, Australia

Tel: 61+3 6250 2652   Fax: 61+3 6250 2386

email:  summerhill@tassie.net.au

______________________________________________________________







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To: <herbinfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: Migraines

From: "Shannon & Rudy" <smore@easynet.on.ca>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:33:47 -0400

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Hi all! 

I've been lurking since the first digest.  Decided to delurk and

ask a question.  I get migraines fairly regularly and I haven't  been able

to narrow  it down to any triggers.  Any ideas on how this is done?  I'd

really like to stop these headaches.  It's becoming a bit difficult to

function at

work when all I want to do is crawl into bed and disappear. I've been sent

some information on Feverfew

I do have allergies.  Also have asthma.  

Thanks very much!

Shannon

Cambridge, Ontario, Canada

smore@easynet.on.ca





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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Migraines

From: "caitlin" <cjclr@baynet.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 22:41:32 -0400

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Dear Shannon,

    I hope I'm not off topic here but I too used to suffer horrible

3 day migraines.  For me, it was usually any combination of

low barometer, sudden change in barometer, chemical sensi-

tivities (forget Fantastik, Pinesol, etc around here), hormones

as in premenstrual, and food such as chocolate, cheese, wine

(allergic to sulphites), etc.  

     I did get partial relief by recognizing my triggers eventually

and I was lucky enough to have an aura then.  Then I could

use relaxation/biofeedback to try to stop them ... hard to do

with kids around.  I now use a laser daily and a chiropractor

showed me the *spots* to point it to ... they correspond to

accupuncture ones.  For me, it has really worked and it cost

about $200 Canadian (I'm up in Thunder Bay).  Some people

also find relief from asthma using the laser but it didn't work

for my daughter.

    I wish you and all migraineurs well; I know how terrible the

pain can be.



Blessings,

Caitlin





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To: "HerbInfo" <herbinfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Migraines

From: sjdevilliers@oldmutual.com (Sam J de Villiers)

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 97 09:34:48 PDT

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Hi Shannon,



Don't know if this will help, it's basically experiences of my hubby and

me. 



I started getting major headaches and migraines and realised that they were

occurring mainly the week before my period started (Although they did occur

at other times as well!). A friend of mine has a Reader's Digest book on

medicine and it listed one of the causes of migraines as the pill. Sure

enough I looked on the package insert and there was migraine under

side-effects!! (I should have been clever enough to read the insert

before!!!) I stopped taking the pill and the migraines stopped!!



My hubby kept getting VERY bad migraines, the doctors went thru eyestrain,

meningitis and a host of other ailments - after about a year someone had

the bright idea of sending him to a neuro-surgeon and he had a scan which

showed 8mm of his brain was being forced out of the base of his skull. The

headaches were caused by a build-up of fluid around his brain. He had a

Post-fasso decompression (ok- the spelling might be a bit off - not to

mention the following description - but Hey, I'm no doctor!) where they

sort of cut open his head, did 'something' to enlarge the skull slightly at

the back, adjusted the top vertebrae and stuck everything back together

again. It took him a couple of months to recover, and now he's fine. He

still gets the odd headache, but they're headaches not migraines, and

usually eyestrain related as he's on the road all day and normally forgets

his sunglasses. The frightening thing about his condition (which is

apparently a birth-defect) is that uncorrected he would have probably ended

up in a wheel-chair within the next year or so, as the build-up of fluid

causes pressure in the spinal cord and pinches the nerves in the neck. One

of the symptoms of the nerves starting to be pinched is pins-and-needles in

the extremeties. 



Hope all that didn't cause a panic!! :-)   I just wanted to let people know

some migraines can be symptoms of something else.



Cheers

Sam



sjdevilliers@oldmutual.com

*******************************************************

Disclaimer

Any opinions expressed in this E-Mail are my own

and are not indicative of Old Mutual in any way.

*******************************************************

   



----------

> Hi all! 

> I've been lurking since the first digest.  Decided to delurk and

> ask a question.  I get migraines fairly regularly and I haven't  been able

> to narrow  it down to any triggers.  Any ideas on how this is done?  I'd

> really like to stop these headaches.  It's becoming a bit difficult to

> function at

> work when all I want to do is crawl into bed and disappear. I've been sent

> some information on Feverfew

> I do have allergies.  Also have asthma.  

> Thanks very much!

> Shannon

> Cambridge, Ontario, Canada

> smore@easynet.on.ca









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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Patchouli plant

From: Kay <kam@sunlink.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:53:00 -1000

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I live in Central Penna. and bought a patchouoli plant this summer.  I would

really like to winter it over in my home, but have not been able to find

much about the care of this plant.  Will it make a nice houseplant, or

should I just forget it and look for another one in the spring?







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Pennyroyal

From: blue <bluemoon@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:41:38 -0400

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When I said that pennyroyal was basically harmless I did not mean that

it was harmless while pregnant! It is very, very harmful to women and

babies!!!! But I wrote it that way because it was a male asking about

pennyroyal and I assumed he didn't have to worry about pregnancy! I did

not mean to misinform, my apologies!

Blue





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

From: animals@bitterroot.net (Tilford, Mary)

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:31:17 +0000

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Sheri McGregor <mcgregor@adnc.com> wrote:

>    I'm interested in learning more about St. John's Wort after all the

> hoopla in the media about using it to treat depression.  Does anyone know

> if it would make a difference what preparation is used?  Tincture? Tablets?

> Tea? etc.



HI

I am new to this list...I am an herbalist,author and Holistic Animal

Care Consultant, and manufacture herbal  products for animals(we hand

make,. label and bottle our own products).

I just wanted to say something about St.Johns'wort(it is being used in

animals for "depression", anxiety, and certain aggressive behaviors, as

well), and all the "hoopla"...it was originally believed that

"hypericin"was the active constituent in SJW, and this is what was being

standardized by so many of the herb companies. Now, it has been

discovered that it is a synergism of the whole plant and its

constituents,, not just one ingredient.It was also believed that the

fresh herb was best, but now the "experts"are saying that the freshly

dried herb may also be utilized.

In a holistic sense, SJW doesn't "treat" depression, but masks it. Just

like Prozac and other drugs. To treat depression would be to get to the

root cause...to find out what Causes the depression and make certain

lifestyle changes. To take SJW because it is "natural" and not make

lifestyle changes, diet changes, etc, is just the same as taking a

synthetic drug...or like taking an aspirin for a shotgun blast to the

head:<)

If someone wanted to take SJW for whatever reason, we usually say to use

the tincture, because of the fresheness factor and they keep longer, and

are stronger than teas or caps.

Thanks for this list... 



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                                                                           

Mary Wulff-Tilford,  Herbalist

ANIMALS' APAWTHECARY/animals@bitterroot.net

http://www.petsage.com/remedies/apawthecary.html









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

From: J <soreal@home.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:44:15 -0400

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>  To take SJW because it is "natural" and not make

> lifestyle changes, diet changes, etc, is just the same as taking a

> synthetic drug...or like taking an aspirin for a shotgun blast to the

> head:<)



Ahhh . . . but the side affects seem to be far less insidious in those

for whom it does the trick. Otherwise, I concur. 



I have a question, also. My chinese herbalist was a strong proponent of

the brew and steep method with the herbs he dispensed. He would only

give pills or tinctures to those who absolutely couldn't tolerate the

brew.  (The Pittas like me who ended up with the bitterest potions

probably) From an energetic approach, does this thinking apply to all

herbs? And if so, why is it not stressed more here in the states?



TIA

Joan





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:47:12 -0400 (EDT)

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In a message dated 97-07-25 18:57:21 EDT, animals@bitterroot.net writes:



<< In a holistic sense, SJW doesn't "treat" depression, but masks it. Just

 like Prozac and other drugs. To treat depression would be to get to the

 root cause...to find out what Causes the depression and make certain

 lifestyle changes. >>



I'm not sure what you mean, exactly. I have suffered from mild clinical

depression most of my life without knowing it. Since I was diagnosed, Zoloft

(a cousin to Prozac) has made all the difference in the world. When one is

depressed, lifestyle changes are next to impossible. I was in "survival mode"

-- just able to do the bare minimum necessary to get through the day. Any

change in routine would have been impossible. 



If (a certain type of) depression is caused by serotonin deficiency, then a

substance whose net effect is to raise serotonin levels in the brain *does*

"cure" the problem -- although it is correct that, once you stop taking the

drug (or herb), the deficiency can recur. I'm not sure that simple lifestyle

changes (diet, exercise, etc.) would be enough to correct the deficiency.

Certainly, while exercise would make me feel better for a little while, it

never was enough to get me over the threshold.



Depression isn't just feeling "down in the dumps" or sad or tired. For some

of us, those dreaded, horrible, evil "pharmaceutical drugs" are as valuable

as vitamins.



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:40:54 -0500

--------

On 25 Jul 97 at 19:47, DomMana@aol.com wrote about Re: HerbInfo: Re: 

HerbInfo/St John'



> Depression isn't just feeling "down in the dumps" or sad or tired. For some of

> us, those dreaded, horrible, evil "pharmaceutical drugs" are as valuable as

> vitamins.





Agree with you. People should know how  depression is and how

you feel after balancing serotonin leves... as you said.. prozac or Zoloft

is like having vitamins.





Osvaldo 

EcuaNet

Internet: osf@ecua.net.ec





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:40:54 -0500

--------

On 25 Jul 97 at 10:31, Tilford, Mary wrote about HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St

John's Wo



> In a holistic sense, SJW doesn't "treat" depression, but masks it. Just

> like Prozac and other drugs. To treat depression would be to get to the

> root cause...to find out what Causes the depression



Mary:

you mean emotional causes ?  well ...it is not that way all the times

Chemical imbalances in the brain ,  like serotonin, dopamine, etc

are causes  of depression, too. 

If you have a problem with  your liver, the liver must be treated - you can not

sit your liver in front of any professional in phycology  :-) ,  if you have a

problem with you leg, the leg must be treated, so, i do not why is widely

understood  that,  if  people is  depressed it is wrong to treat the brain with

medicines. Just a thought.



Osvaldo 

EcuaNet

Internet: osf@ecua.net.ec





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

From: "Lori A. Campbell" <lcampbel@mail.coin.missouri.edu>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:19:09 -0500 (CDT)

--------





On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Osvaldo wrote:



> On 25 Jul 97 at 10:31, Tilford, Mary wrote about HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St

> John's Wo

> 

> > In a holistic sense, SJW doesn't "treat" depression, but masks it. Just

> > like Prozac and other drugs. To treat depression would be to get to the

> > root cause...to find out what Causes the depression

> 

I need something for stress and anxiety.  Taking care of 25 rescued dogs, 

a crazy neighbor who harasses us relentlessly and unemployment for a year

are taking its toll on me.  I thought St. John's Wort was good for this -

to help me through the bad times in my life, when I feel like I'm going

crazy....to help give me a sense of well-being.



Lori> 







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

From: cgileadi@itsnet.com (Cathy Gileadi)

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:23:00 -0700

--------

>

>I have a question, also. My chinese herbalist was a strong proponent of

>the brew and steep method with the herbs he dispensed. He would only

>give pills or tinctures to those who absolutely couldn't tolerate the

>brew.  (The Pittas like me who ended up with the bitterest potions

>probably) From an energetic approach, does this thinking apply to all

>herbs? And if so, why is it not stressed more here in the states?

>

>TIA

>Joan



I think it is almost always better.  But people don't like the taste of most

of the concoctions and won't take them if they have to do tea.  My

impression is that the smell, taste and touch of the herbs is part of the

healing.



Cathy

>

>

                                 







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

From: Mark Gold <mgold@tiac.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:17:24 -0400 (EDT)

--------

>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:31:17 +0000

>From: animals@bitterroot.net (Tilford, Mary)

>To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

>Subject: HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

>

>In a holistic sense, SJW doesn't "treat" depression, but masks it. Just

>like Prozac and other drugs. To treat depression would be to get to the

>root cause...to find out what Causes the depression and make certain

>lifestyle changes. To take SJW because it is "natural" and not make

>lifestyle changes, diet changes, etc, is just the same as taking a

>synthetic drug...or like taking an aspirin for a shotgun blast to the

>head:<)



Mary,



I agree that the sole use of St. Johns wort (SJW) is definately not a 

holistic treatment for depression.  I look at it as a symptomatic 

treatment which seems to have fewer side effects than short-term-use

pharmaeceutical anti-depressants and may or may not be far safer in 

the long-run. For persons who are incapacitated by depression and 

unable to take steps to treat the illness holistically, I think that 

SJW can be very useful.



At various times I was offered antidepressants, but I chose to pursue 

holistic treatments (including herbs) because I felt that the natural 

treatments and small lifestyle changes I was pursuing would work for 

me. (They did with some stuggle and adjustments.)  But I do think 

that some people who do not have the necessary support system and/or

holistic healing resources (and possibly for other reasons) may need 

the symptomatic treatments initially.  One person I have worked with, 

a Bioenergetic Therapist, started out with antidepressants for 

clinical depression, but eventually used Bioenergetics and other 

natural healing tools to permanently recover.



All cases of depression likely have a chemical imbalance in the 

brain.  I think that from a holistic perspective, physical, 

psychological and spiritual causes have to be looked at plus various 

types of treatments need to be considered. Over the past 25 years, I 

have met many people who have made diet and lifestyle changes to 

permanently recover from depression. But I also think that it is not 

simple for most people.  These people would likely need specific

natural treatments.



Best Wishes,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

                     Holistic Healing Web Page

             http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/health.html

                     No Web Access? Email Me







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:08:22 -0500

--------

Hi Mary...



I agree with you that to expect anything to be a miracle cure for

something is not correct.  But, taking STW to as you say help

mask symptoms... like the other PharmCo ones enables ppl

to be able to 'cope' well they are making the other

life  style changes required to continue with a normal 

life.



I use standardized capsule  300mg 3 times a day... I started

taking a couple of weeks ago and finnaly figured out what

it was doing for me today...  "I no longer have that empty feeling"



It has been a long time since I have not felt that feeling... and

I will continue to take STW well I am making the lifestyle changes

such as ,,  learning more about herbs, making changes to my diet to

ensure that I am eating correctly, get back to exercise regularly... and

self examination... and quit smoking..



Now those are a lot of things learn how to manage and cannot be

done over nite... and if STW helps me cope well I am doing then

that is good thing...



Look forward to hearing more from you.



Best Regards,

Jennifer

===





At 10:31 AM 7/25/97 +0000, you wrote:

>Sheri McGregor <mcgregor@adnc.com> wrote:

>>    I'm interested in learning more about St. John's Wort after all the

>> hoopla in the media about using it to treat depression.  Does anyone know

>> if it would make a difference what preparation is used?  Tincture? Tablets?

>> Tea? etc.

>

>HI

>I am new to this list...I am an herbalist,author and Holistic Animal

>Care Consultant, and manufacture herbal  products for animals(we hand

>make,. label and bottle our own products).

>I just wanted to say something about St.Johns'wort(it is being used in

>animals for "depression", anxiety, and certain aggressive behaviors, as

>well), and all the "hoopla"...it was originally believed that

>"hypericin"was the active constituent in SJW, and this is what was being

>standardized by so many of the herb companies. Now, it has been

>discovered that it is a synergism of the whole plant and its

>constituents,, not just one ingredient.It was also believed that the

>fresh herb was best, but now the "experts"are saying that the freshly

>dried herb may also be utilized.

>In a holistic sense, SJW doesn't "treat" depression, but masks it. Just

>like Prozac and other drugs. To treat depression would be to get to the

>root cause...to find out what Causes the depression and make certain

>lifestyle changes. To take SJW because it is "natural" and not make

>lifestyle changes, diet changes, etc, is just the same as taking a

>synthetic drug...or like taking an aspirin for a shotgun blast to the

>head:<)

>If someone wanted to take SJW for whatever reason, we usually say to use

>the tincture, because of the fresheness factor and they keep longer, and

>are stronger than teas or caps.

>Thanks for this list... 

>

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



>Mary Wulff-Tilford,  Herbalist

>ANIMALS' APAWTHECARY/animals@bitterroot.net

>http://www.petsage.com/remedies/apawthecary.html

>

>

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

From: cgileadi@itsnet.com (Cathy Gileadi)

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:01:01 -0700

--------

Hello,



I'm part of a research team, the Nebo Institute of Herbology,  that has

recently put together a nice little booklet on St. Johnswort, emphasizing

its use in depression but also its use in AIDS and other things.  It's been

selling like hotcakes around here.  We retail it for $3.50; add $2 shipping

and handling.   If you want one, please contact:



The Nebo Institute of Herbology

P O Box 124

Payson, Utah 84651

801-465-8165   Fax: same--call ahead 

E-mail: Herbdock@aol.com



Thanks.



Cathy Gileadi

Editing Etc.







                                 







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: gout

From: Loren & Susan Bacon <bacons4@traveller.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:10:51 -0500

--------

Mary Russell wrote:

> 

>

> Now I have a question -my friend has gout and I have heard something about

> Celery

> seed or oil helping gout.  Does anyone have knowledge of this?

> 

> ----------



Sue>> I have not heard of using celery but heard that black cherry

concentrate is very good, without the sugar.  Sue





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: gout

From: Herbs2you@aol.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:15:15 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Gout is caused by TOO much uric acid. Eliminate sugar and red meat from the

diet and take LOTS (10-20 )capsules of alfalfa and you will see amazing

results with gout or arthritis.The celery seed is good but more $ and doesn't

help the digestion as well as alfalfa. Be sure to get good quality

alfalfa...not always the cheapest brand!

Debbie J   herbs2you@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: gout

From: "Lori A. Campbell" <lcampbel@mail.coin.missouri.edu>

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:27:25 -0500 (CDT)

--------





On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Loren & Susan Bacon wrote:



> Mary Russell wrote:

> > 

> >

> > Now I have a question -my friend has gout and I have heard something about

> > Celery

> > seed or oil helping gout.  Does anyone have knowledge of this?

> > 

I give my dog celery for his arthritis.  It works great.  I also have

celery seed extract.



Lori







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: ayurvedic / relax

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:46:03 -0500

--------

Herb-Info List



What herbs,  used by ayurvedic medicine,  are recommended

to relief  neck muscles ? , and,  as a consequence of that,

to get  relief to allow me a  restful sleeping.

I am having problems in my neck, cervical areas, these problems

produce tension and headaches....to be honest i need a relief ..I can 

not sleep, I can not get relaxed..it is a torture !!

If someone knows any ayurvedic medicine pls let me know

its commercial name and where I can buy it 

TIA





Osvaldo 

EcuaNet

Internet: osf@ecua.net.ec





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

From: Dara Laraway <dara@epix.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:33:11 -0500

--------

> > Questions To Everyone:::::::::\

> >

> > Does Chickweed really work as an Appetite Suppessor?  And what

> > other properties does it have... ie vitamins etc and other

> > uses.

> >





I also would love to know the answer to this question.......and are 

there any other herbs that are known to be able to control your craving 

for food???



TIA, Dara









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

From: Herbs2you@aol.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:55:50 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Chickweed is more for disolving fatty deposits...cysts and tumors.

There are several herbs used for appetite...not all are safe and not all are

the same quality. Ephedra is the safest if pure and whole plant is used in

proper quanities,

Caution for blood pressure patients though. STAY AWAY FROM GUARANA.

KOLA NUT IS LOADED WITH CAFEINE! Taking psyllium with lots of water may give

you a full feeling and cleanse the colon at the same TIME! To loose weight...

check your digestion and elimination, then DRINK WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hope this helps some. Debbie J   herbs2you@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

From: caitriona@juno.com (Carrie K Sanders)

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:01:06 EDT

--------

from a post on chickweed:  STAY AWAY FROM GUARANA.

KOLA NUT IS LOADED WITH CAFEINE! 



Can someone tell me a little about Guarana.  I love the new drink, but I

would like to know a little more about the stuff in it.



Caitriona





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

From: Herbs2you@aol.com

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:59:24 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Guarana....one book I have states it is 10x's more powerful than

cocaine!!!!!!!

Nothing I want to put into my body! It is a stimulant herb. Just because it's

natural

doesn't mean it's SAFE.





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 04:16:43 GMT

--------

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:59:24 -0400 (EDT), Herbs2you@aol.com wrote to

HerbInfo@bolis.com:



>Guarana....one book I have states it is 10x's more powerful than

>cocaine!!!!!!!



Now that's silly. Comparing a caffeine-containing plant to a pure constituent...

more potent in doing -what-?



>Nothing I want to put into my body! It is a stimulant herb. Just because it's

>natural doesn't mean it's SAFE.



Umm. Stop your coffee-habit then, too.

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

From: Mark Gold <mgold@tiac.net>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 01:08:16 -0400 (EDT)

--------

>Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:59:24 -0400 (EDT)

>To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

>Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

>

>Guarana....one book I have states it is 10x's more powerful than 

>cocaine!!!!!!!



That's a good book to toss away!  It does contain caffeine and I 

would not recommend it for long-term use, but it certainly should 

not be compared to cocaine.  (See enclosed references.)



>Nothing I want to put into my body! It is a stimulant herb. 

>Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's SAFE.



With herbs used *appropriately* we are talking about natural *and* 

time-tested (1000's of years in some cases).  But it is important

to use them intelligently and/or see a real Herbalist.



        AUTHOR:  Galduroz JC; Carlini E de A

        TITLE:  Acute effects of the Paulinia cupana, "Guarana" on the 

                cognition of normal volunteers.

       SOURCE:  Rev Paul Med (SZ5), 1994 Jul-Sep; 112 (3): 607-11

     ABSTRACT:  The authors studied the acute effects of "Guarana", when 

                compared to caffeine and placebo, (double blind study) on 

                cognition, anxiety and sleep in 30 normal volunteers. 

                Although results were negative it cannot be concluded that 

                "Guarana" is harmless. Other studies shall be undertaken, 

                administering "Guarana" on a long term basis, as popularly 

                proclaimed.



[followup study]



      AUTHOR:  Galduroz JC; Carlini EA

        TITLE:  The effects of long-term administration of guarana on the 

                cognition of normal, elderly volunteers.

       SOURCE:  Rev Paul Med (SZ5), 1996 Jan-Feb; 114 (1): 1073-8

     ABSTRACT:  Paulinia cupana (guarana) is a Brazilian plant given great 

                prestige in popular medicine, for example as being a potent 

                stimulator of brain functions. The authors assessed the 

                effects of the long-term administration of guarana on the 

                cognition of normal, elderly volunteers. Forty-five 

                volunteers were studied, with a random distribution in three 

                experimental groups: placebo (n = 15), caffeine (n = 15), 

                and guarana (n = 15), in a double-blind study. There were no 

                significant cognitive alterations in these volunteers.

 



Best Wishes,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

                     Holistic Healing Web Page

             http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/health.html

                     No Web Access? Email Me







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

From: caitriona@juno.com (Carrie K Sanders)

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:50:24 EDT

--------

Thanks Mark.  That is exactly what I was loking for.  I had seen some

hype about the new drink with Guarana in it and thought that I'd better

ask.



Caitriona



On Sun, 27 Jul 1997 01:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Mark Gold <mgold@tiac.net>

writes:

>>Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:59:24 -0400 (EDT)

>>To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

>>Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

>>

>>Guarana....one book I have states it is 10x's more powerful than 

>>cocaine!!!!!!!

>

>That's a good book to toss away!  It does contain caffeine and I 

>would not recommend it for long-term use, but it certainly should 

>not be compared to cocaine.  (See enclosed references.)

>

>>Nothing I want to put into my body! It is a stimulant herb. 

>>Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's SAFE.

>

>With herbs used *appropriately* we are talking about natural *and* 

>time-tested (1000's of years in some cases).  But it is important

>to use them intelligently and/or see a real Herbalist.

>

>        AUTHOR:  Galduroz JC; Carlini E de A

>        TITLE:  Acute effects of the Paulinia cupana, "Guarana" on the 

>

>                cognition of normal volunteers.

>       SOURCE:  Rev Paul Med (SZ5), 1994 Jul-Sep; 112 (3): 607-11

>     ABSTRACT:  The authors studied the acute effects of "Guarana", 

>when 

>                compared to caffeine and placebo, (double blind study) 

>on 

>                cognition, anxiety and sleep in 30 normal volunteers. 

>                Although results were negative it cannot be concluded 

>that 

>                "Guarana" is harmless. Other studies shall be 

>undertaken, 

>                administering "Guarana" on a long term basis, as 

>popularly 

>                proclaimed.

>

>[followup study]

>

>      AUTHOR:  Galduroz JC; Carlini EA

>        TITLE:  The effects of long-term administration of guarana on 

>the 

>                cognition of normal, elderly volunteers.

>       SOURCE:  Rev Paul Med (SZ5), 1996 Jan-Feb; 114 (1): 1073-8

>     ABSTRACT:  Paulinia cupana (guarana) is a Brazilian plant given 

>great 

>                prestige in popular medicine, for example as being a 

>potent 

>                stimulator of brain functions. The authors assessed 

>the 

>                effects of the long-term administration of guarana on 

>the 

>                cognition of normal, elderly volunteers. Forty-five 

>                volunteers were studied, with a random distribution in 

>three 

>                experimental groups: placebo (n = 15), caffeine (n = 

>15), 

>                and guarana (n = 15), in a double-blind study. There 

>were no 

>                significant cognitive alterations in these volunteers.

> 

>

>Best Wishes,

>                             - Mark

>                          mgold@tiac.net

>                     Holistic Healing Web Page

>             http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/health.html

>                     No Web Access? Email Me

>

>





==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:01:06 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-27 03:03:09 EDT, mgold@tiac.net (Mark Gold) writes:



<< The authors studied the acute effects of "Guarana", when 

                 compared to caffeine and placebo, (double blind study) on 

                 cognition, anxiety and sleep in 30 normal volunteers.  >>



<< Forty-five volunteers were studied, >>



30 and 45 subjects make for extremely small studies. Most medical clinical

trials involve thousands of patients. I would hesitate to accept the results

of such small studies at face value. Clearly, much much more research is

needed on this subject.



BTW, I have no personal knowledge of "guarana" or any other

appetite-suppressant drugs/herbs; this is just my opinion regarding the use

of statistics from clinical research.



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

From: Mark Gold <mgold@tiac.net>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:45:24 -0400 (EDT)

--------

>From: DomMana@aol.com

>Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:01:06 -0400 (EDT)

>To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

>Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........



<< Forty-five volunteers were studied, >>



>30 and 45 subjects make for extremely small studies. Most medical clinical

>trials involve thousands of patients. I would hesitate to accept the results

>of such small studies at face value. Clearly, much much more research is

>needed on this subject.



Ane,



30 and 45 subjects are fairly common amounts of subjects for

*double-blind* studies of approved substances with a long history of use. 

These results tend to show that adverse reactions to guarana are either

nonexistent or not common. I agree, though, that it is useful to have more

studies and guarana and other substances like coffee, black tea, etc. that

have a long history of use.  Personally, I think it is a good idea to

avoid regular use of plants that contain a significant amount of caffeine

(e.g., coffee, black tea, guarana, etc.). 



I would be interested to know if anyone here has tried the weight 

control formula (#11) listed in "Planetary Herbology."



Best Wishes,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

                     Holistic Healing Web Page

             http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/health.html









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Re: Appetite Control.........

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:02:22 -0400

--------

Wow your net site took me to information about MS and

asparartame. I had no idea since I considered it was two

amino acids that make up a protein it couldn't be that unsafe.

I have a friend with Ms and I just e-mailed her to stay away

from anything diet with asparartame. Thanks pn







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Another new member

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:47:21 -0500

--------

Welcome Gary..



This is a great list and there are many knowledgeable ppl here.



I have found it a great help.  I am just learning like yourself.



I live in a part of Canada with a short growing season and very

harsh winters, but I am going to try and start growing my own

herbs as well.. if for no other reason than cooking well 

with them.



Best Regards,

jb

===







At 11:16 AM 7/25/97 -0700, you wrote:

>I am an attorney in Texas.Bought a house that had a HUGE bush (rosemary,

>I think) in the backyard. Have been thinking of beginning a herb garden

>around it. Know absolutely nothing about herbs but am very interested in

>all applications from culinary, medicinal to folklore (particularly

>Indian uses of southwestern herbs). Looks like an interesting list with

>knowledgeable people. Glad to be here.

>







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Another new member

From: "Gary R. Terrell" <xvgrt@ttacs1.ttu.edu>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:16:01 -0700

--------

I am an attorney in Texas.Bought a house that had a HUGE bush (rosemary,

I think) in the backyard. Have been thinking of beginning a herb garden

around it. Know absolutely nothing about herbs but am very interested in

all applications from culinary, medicinal to folklore (particularly

Indian uses of southwestern herbs). Looks like an interesting list with

knowledgeable people. Glad to be here.





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Introduction and Question

From: Sue Johnson <suebuggy@icu2.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:23:57 -0400

--------

Hello all,

   Seems I have feel into a group of wise and wonderful people. I am

Suebuggy a 37 year old home body with a great intrest in all things

growing especially herbs. I have a two fold question. I would like to

find an herbal remedey for acid reflux. I have tried altering my diet

and taking zantac but would really like to treat this naturally. Also I

am borderline high blood pressure and would love some hints on lowering

this. Thanks for any help and hope I can eventually contribute. Suebuggy





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Introduction and Question

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:58:56 -0500

--------

Hi Sue...



I have had great success using Cayene to help lower and

stablize my Motherinlaws BP..  I give 1 capsule 425mg in

morning... and another in the evening... we have

found that BP is good now (not an easy thing to say for

someone who is 86 yrs old) and the additional

benefit from it because it helps with circulation is

that she seems to be more mobile because she does

not have as much pain from the 2 bone breaks she had

in one thigh..



May be research that a bit and see if that might help.



Best Regards,

jennifer

===







At 02:23 PM 7/25/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Hello all,

>   Seems I have feel into a group of wise and wonderful people. I am

>Suebuggy a 37 year old home body with a great intrest in all things

>growing especially herbs. I have a two fold question. I would like to

>find an herbal remedey for acid reflux. I have tried altering my diet

>and taking zantac but would really like to treat this naturally. Also I

>am borderline high blood pressure and would love some hints on lowering

>this. Thanks for any help and hope I can eventually contribute. Suebuggy

>







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Introduction and Question

From: Herbs2you@aol.com

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:27:07 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Safflowers..........3-4 caps before my meals helped my digestion. There are

chewable papaya/mint tabs to help if the problem is already occuring.

Slippery elm bark in loose bulk powder will sooth and heal the

esophagus...mixed with aloe juice would be even better.Or mix it in

water....a little yucky! Have you ever been to a good chiropractor to see if

you stomach needs to be "pulled down" (hyiatel hernia)?

Digestive problems are my special knowledge herbally....because they almost

killed me personally!!!  Debbie J









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Introduction and Question

From: "Lori A. Campbell" <lcampbel@mail.coin.missouri.edu>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:05:39 -0500 (CDT)

--------





On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, Sue Johnson wrote:



> Hello all,

>    Seems I have feel into a group of wise and wonderful people. I am

> Suebuggy a 37 year old home body with a great intrest in all things

> growing especially herbs. I have a two fold question. I would like to

> find an herbal remedey for acid reflux. I have tried altering my diet

> and taking zantac but would really like to treat this naturally. Also I

> am borderline high blood pressure and would love some hints on lowering

> this. Thanks for any help and hope I can eventually contribute. Suebuggy





I used to have a terrible Heartburn problem - once had to take Zantac.

What I have found is that Pancreatin capsules (found in natural food

stores) and Papaya juice are very good for this.  Also the homeopathic

remedy Nux Vomica.



I use the Pancreatin capsules by Twinlab (quadruple strength).  It works

great!



Lori> 







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Introduction and Question

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:46:01 -0500

--------

At 02:05 PM 7/27/97 -0500, you wrote:

>

How much Nux Vomica did you take?

jb

==







>I used to have a terrible Heartburn problem - once had to take Zantac.

>What I have found is that Pancreatin capsules (found in natural food

>stores) and Papaya juice are very good for this.  Also the homeopathic

>remedy Nux Vomica.

>







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Introduction and Question

From: "Lori A. Campbell" <lcampbel@mail.coin.missouri.edu>

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:40:46 -0500 (CDT)

--------





On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Jennifer A. Bishop wrote:



> At 02:05 PM 7/27/97 -0500, you wrote:

> >

> How much Nux Vomica did you take?

> jb

> ==

> 

> 

> 

> >I used to have a terrible Heartburn problem - once had to take Zantac.

> >What I have found is that Pancreatin capsules (found in natural food

> >stores) and Papaya juice are very good for this.  Also the homeopathic

> >remedy Nux Vomica.

> >

> 

When you buy the bottle there are directions on it for how much to take.  

I can't remember what I took since now I only use the Pancreatin and

papaya juice for any heartburn symptoms.  They do the trick for me.



Lori> 







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Introduction and Question

From: "Lori A. Campbell" <lcampbel@mail.coin.missouri.edu>

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:47:48 -0500 (CDT)

--------





On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Jennifer A. Bishop wrote:



> At 08:40 PM 7/28/97 -0500, you wrote:

>  

> >When you buy the bottle there are directions on it for how much to take.  

> >I can't remember what I took since now I only use the Pancreatin and

> >papaya juice for any heartburn symptoms.  They do the trick for me.

> >

> 

> Please excuse my ignorance... but what is Pancreatin?

> 

> Jennifer

> =====

> 

Pancreatin consists of digestive enzymes supplying amylase activity,

protease activity and lipase activity.





Lori> 







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Reply Yarrow and Thank you!!

From: Dara Laraway <dara@epix.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:41:13 -0500

--------

Henriette Kress wrote:



> Yarrow, Achillea millefolium. Pick the flower while it still has some 

>yellow on

> it (highest quality) 



Henriette,



And I am so thankful for your help.  I'll be leaving work soon to go 

check on the status of my yarrow.....do you think the pastel colors 

would work as well as the mustard yellow???  I know those blossoms are 

just coming out while the goldens have been out for awhile!!



Happy day,

Dara







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Reply Yarrow and Thank you!!

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 07:24:03 GMT

--------

On Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:41:13 -0500, Dara Laraway <dara@epix.net> wrote to

HerbInfo@bolis.com:



>Henriette Kress wrote:

>

>> Yarrow, Achillea millefolium. Pick the flower while it still has some 

>> yellow on it (highest quality) 



>And I am so thankful for your help.  I'll be leaving work soon to go 

>check on the status of my yarrow.....do you think the pastel colors 

>would work as well as the mustard yellow???  I know those blossoms are 

>just coming out while the goldens have been out for awhile!!



The wild Achillea millefolium is white; the stamens are yellow, and the highest

quality A.millefolium flowers are those where you still see some of their

yellow. Occasionally there's some pink-flowering yarrows among all those white

ones; I use those, too.



I can't say about uses of cultivars (didn't even know that the yellow -is-

A.millefolium - is it?).



I'd go slow on the yellow.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Reply Yarrow and Thank you!!

From: michael bellah <mbellah@gr.cns.net>

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 06:09:47 -0400

--------

> The wild Achillea millefolium is white; the stamens are yellow, and the highest

> quality A.millefolium flowers are those where you still see some of their

> yellow. Occasionally there's some pink-flowering yarrows among all those white

> ones; I use those, too.

> 

> I can't say about uses of cultivars (didn't even know that the yellow -is-

> A.millefolium - is it?).

> 

> I'd go slow on the yellow.

> 

> Henriette



According to my gardening books, the mustard yellow colored yarrow is

A.millefolium. I also have what looks like a white wild variety that we

call Queen Anne's Lace locally. I would be curious to know if the Queen

Anne's Lace is the wild yarrow. Also, why Henriette suggests "going slow

on the yellow". If this helps in identification, the smell is quite

pungent with overtones of honey.



Michael Bellah





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Reply Yarrow and Thank you!!

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:54:26 GMT

--------

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997 06:09:47 -0400, michael bellah <mbellah@gr.cns.net> wrote to

HerbInfo@bolis.com:



>According to my gardening books, the mustard yellow colored yarrow is

>A.millefolium. I also have what looks like a white wild variety that we

>call Queen Anne's Lace locally. I would be curious to know if the Queen

>Anne's Lace is the wild yarrow. Also, why Henriette suggests "going slow

>on the yellow". If this helps in identification, the smell is quite

>pungent with overtones of honey.



Queen Anne's Lace is USUALLY Daucus carota. Which is why latin names are VERY

good to mention with any common name you might use in your neck of the woods.



I say you should go slow on the yellow yarrow as it most probably is a cultivar;

as such I have no idea (nor has anybody else for that matter) what -else- is

cultured out of it, in addition to making naturally white (or very light pink)

flowers a deep dark yellow.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Reply Yarrow and Thank you!!

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 04:44:59 -0400

--------

So is Queen Anne's Lace in the yarrow family, or wild yarow?







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Reply Yarrow and Thank you!!

From: Elizabeth Patience Northern <pashe@indy.net>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 07:53:09 -0500

--------

P.Nighswander wrote:

> 

> So is Queen Anne's Lace in the yarrow family, or wild yarow?

For Queen Ann's Lace are saying Wild Parsnip?





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Reply Yarrow and Thank you!!

From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 08:27:32 -0400 (EDT)

--------

<< From:	abbott@kos.net (P.Nighswander)

 So is Queen Anne's Lace in the yarrow family, or wild yarow? >>



Queen Anne's Lace (Daucus carota) is called, among other things, Wild Carrot.

It is a member of the Umbelliferae family.



Yarrow (Achillea millefolium), is a member of the Compositae family.



Great and extreme caution has to be used in harvesting the Umbelliferaes.  It

takes an expert to distinguish the difference between Daucus carota (Queen

Anne's Lace), and Conium imaculatum (Poison Hemlock).  Even experts have been

fooled on occasion.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Admin Message-Please read

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:03:49 -0700 (PDT)

--------

Hi Folks,



Try to stay in the background with these things, but just

a few words.



#1)  In order to post to the list, send to  herbinfo@bolis.com

     (Yes, Jennifer, I already told you that<GRIN>)



#2)  For those of you who care switch over to the digest

     version of the list. Do the following:



     send an e-mail to herbinfo-digest-request@bolis.com

     give the command su*bscribe (leave out the asterisk, ok)



     then unsu*bscribe yourself from the regular version



     by sending an e-mail to herbinfo-request@bolis.com

     and give the command unsu*bscribe (again, no asterisk)



     e-mail me,  sbrooks@earthlink.net  if you have problems



#3)  A listmember attempted to post an extremely large post

     which also contained several binary files such as gifs

     jpegs.

      

       a) HerbInfo filters and bounces all posts which

          exceed 45,000 characters.



       b) HerbInfo filters and bounces all posts which

          contain binary files.



      I'm the only one that saw the post coz it got bounced

      over to me-the listowner/manager.



      No more of that, please.



Time to go.



Thanks to all for being a part of HerbInfo.



Sam

HerbInfo List







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Admin Message-Please read

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:23:21 -0700 (PDT)

--------

Hi HerbInfo Listees,



Several things(3 points in all);



#1)-HerbInfo seems to be generating much more traffic than anticipated.



    I've had numerous requests/inquiries regarding the digest version.



    To Change from regular list--to the digest, do the following:



       Remove yourself from the regular list by sending an e-mail to



       herbinfo-request@bolis.com

       

       in the body of your message say  "unsu*bscribe"

                                        ^    ^       ^

                                        omit the quotes and asterisk



       Next, send an e-mail to herbinfo-digest-request@bolis.com



       in the body of your message say  "su*bscribe"

                                        ^  ^       ^

                                        omit the quotes and asterisk



#2)-In order to post to the list, simply e-mail   herbinfo@bolis.com





#3)-Wendell(new to HerbInfo) says,



   "it might be nice to emphasize where a newbie can get

    to know what the participants database is like (mainly

    university / .org?)"



    Reply-Seems like our members come from all walks of life,

          they, like myself, share an interest in herbs.

          Members are invited to make a post to HerbInfo

          and introduce themselves and their particular

          interest in the herbal world. 



    "or know which organisation supports the effort."



    Reply-The organization which supports the effort is

          none other than yours truly.  My time, my effort,

          my funding.  Combined my interest in herbs with

          my interest in computers/Internet/Listservers

          and HerbInfo was born.



          In the real world, I'm an X-Ray/CAT Scan Tech

          at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles.



No more admin stuff.  Let's talk about herbs.



Many thanks to all of you for taking the time to be with us.



Sam

HerbInfo List

sbrooks@earthlink.net









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Valerian and sleep

From: "Rhonda J. Coleman" <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:34:43 -0700

--------

Loren & Susan Bacon wrote: > Sue>> I found that getting a valerian/hops

mixture works best for when I am having trouble sleeping.... 

> 

Jennifer A. Bishop wrote:...I just got some Valerian to help me sleep... 



Rhonda:  After reading and hearing all the hype about melatonin, I tried

that when I was having some sleeping problems, and was dissatisfied with

the results.  Then, I read somewhere about Valerian, so I went to GNC

and bought some of that.  I just about fell over when I opened the

bottle - PEWWWEEEEE!!  However, holding my nose, I took the recommended

dose, and it really, really helped me get to sleep.  I have been very

pleased with it.  One thing, it doesn't take as long to take effect as

the melatonin does.  Now, I have something that helps me fall asleep,

all I need is something that will help me STAY that way through the

night!  Oh Well, guess you can't have it all!

Rhonda









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Valerian and sleep

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:01:11 -0500

--------

At 03:34 PM 7/25/97 -0700, you wrote:



Rhonda how much do you take... have you taken tabs to make

you sleep before... maybe increase the dosage a little bit..



I use a 425mg capsule... and it stay asleep the alotted time

and don't feel groggy or yucky in the morning... just rested.



Best Regards,

jennifer

====





>Jennifer A. Bishop wrote:...I just got some Valerian to help me sleep... 

>

>Rhonda:  After reading and hearing all the hype about melatonin, I tried

>that when I was having some sleeping problems, and was dissatisfied with

>the results.  Then, I read somewhere about Valerian, so I went to GNC

>and bought some of that.  I just about fell over when I opened the

>bottle - PEWWWEEEEE!!  However, holding my nose, I took the recommended

>dose, and it really, really helped me get to sleep.  I have been very

>pleased with it.  One thing, it doesn't take as long to take effect as

>the melatonin does.  Now, I have something that helps me fall asleep,

>all I need is something that will help me STAY that way through the

>night!  Oh Well, guess you can't have it all!

>Rhonda

>

>

>







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Herbal Phen-fen

From: "Rhonda J. Coleman" <wtb00516@mail.wvnet.edu>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:39:30 -0700

--------

Dear all:  I've heard lots and lots about the diet pill Phen-fen, and

now I hear that there is a herbal version on the market - touted by no

less than Paul Harvey himself.  Does anyone have any information about

this?



Thanks

Rhonda







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Herbal Phen-fen

From: Herbs2you@aol.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:24:12 -0400 (EDT)

--------

The herbal" phen-fen" is only available through a big diet company where you

have to join the club plan $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!! The company I get my capsulated

herbs from has the same thing called Fen-Chi. It's only been available a few

weeks. It is made with the whole Ephedra plant and 3 other herbs in a blend.

I have taken and sold other "metabolism" herbs and appetite

suppresants.....but this stuff is SOOOOOOOOO much better.I'm getting rave

reviews from my clients and friends.

It really helps the appetite and gives energy TOO! Of course youstill have to

put the fork down.E-mail me privately for additional info.It sinot for blood

pressure patients.

Actually....many people can work on nerves and stress (using herbs of course)

to help the B.P. and then take the metabolism herbs to get the weight

off.Breaking the cycle since the weight keeps the blood pressure UP!  Debbie

J  herbs2you@aol.com







==========

To: "HerbInfo list" <herbinfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: Problem 

From: "Mary Russell" <bird@scrtc.blue.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:46:31 -0500

--------

Friends , I recently joined the list to have a break every few letters from

my 500 e-mails a day I get from genealogy lists.  I like plants, animals ,

people and couldn't enjoy life without them.  The subject of natural versus

artificial --herbs- holistic-drugs etc. has come up .

I am a very opinionated old lady but basically I believe in "All things in

Moderation"

However I know that no lifestyle change will help a clinically depressed

person, or one with several other diagnoses. 

I  am a great believer in Drugs --If they do the job they are meant to do. 

I have reached this conclusion for the following reasons.

In 1955 I went to work in the biggest mental hospital in California 7500

patients.

We tied them to benches where they sat in their own waste products. We gave

them shock treatments.  Then  about 1962 Thorazine was invented.  We sent

them home, hundreds of them could function -then other drugs and more left

the hospitals.  We who worked there thought could all this mental illness 

be caused because of chemical imbalance in the brain.  We knew that all the

therapy in the world couldn't help, but a pill could. Now in  1985 the

hospital had mostly mentally retarded and 

criminally insane and in 1997 the hospital closed.  This was because of

Drugs folks.

Now drugs come from our herbs and other plant and animal life. Then after

awhile 

chemists find out the chemical ingredients in the natural medicine and

learn to make it  what? unnatural?  Those unnatural products then keep the

plants from becoming extinct.  Look at the Yew tree.  It's bark was curing

some disease (??)  and the trees

were going extinct  now they can make the same medicine and by doing that

saved the trees. So what I want to say is drink your catnip tea or whatever

and if that is all you need be thankful, if St. John's wort will cure your

depression be thankful but if you need Prozac--take it--- and be thankful. 

 

 So Now I've had my say on natural virsus unnatural and beg your

forgiveness for spouting off.  Mary Russell      bird@scrtc.blue.net 

















 





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Problem 

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:52:14 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-26 04:13:25 EDT, bird@scrtc.blue.net (Mary Russell)

writes:



<<  So Now I've had my say on natural virsus unnatural and beg your

 forgiveness for spouting off.  Mary Russell      bird@scrtc.blue.net >>



Thank you, Mary. I think your opinion is valuable. I believe that there is a

place for the natural, holistic approach AND a place for Western-style

medicine, including pharmaceuticals. To catagorically deny the value of

either one is a disservice to those who might be helped by something they

have to offer. Many MD's are now discovering the value in "old-fashioned"

herbal remedies; however I have discovered a great prejudice among certain

"alternative" proponents against the medical profession. I don't think any

*good* medical doctor would deny a patient their herbal remedy IF the patient

knew what they were doing and IF the herbs helped them. Most MD's really only

want to treat major medical problems, and are very happy to "delegate" the

day-to-day, lifestyle, and "minor" matters to knowledgeable others. 



I think if you have an occasional headache, a nice herbal remedy is great.

But if you have a stroke, you're better off seeking a stroke specialist at

your nearest hospital!!



BTW, I should declare my personal bias here: my husband is a medical doctor

(neurologist).



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: cosmetic clay

From: Mjmoongold@aol.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:55:14 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Debra asked



"Some of my formulas ask for cosmetic clay.  Have any of you used it?  What

is

it,  and where can you get it?"



Hi Debra,



The cosmetic clay I got was a fine white clay. I use it in a facial scrub. I

got it from Jean's Greens in Newport, NY (no commercial interest on my part,

just a high quality source for herbs and accessories).



Mary Joan Deutschbein

aspiring herbalist

Moon Gold Press and Workshops

mjmoongold@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Herbal weight loss

From: animals@bitterroot.net (Tilford, Mary)

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:31:37 +0000

--------

Hi

regarding the herbal Phen-fen...it contains Ephedra(which in herbal

medicine is meant to be taken for asthma, and ONLY asthma--well, and

some other respiratory distressing problems), and StJohns'Wort(the most

popular herb in the world, at the moment)...

once again, I must comment, that using herbs for weight loss that are

intended for other things is not Wholistic...

We are searching for that "magic bullet" for many health problems,

(believe me, if there was a magic bullet for weight loss, I would be

shooting myself with it right now!)

Ephedra works for asthma by stimulating the sympathetic nervous

system(e.g.raises the blood pressure, and hence, increases

metabolism---should NOT be used by those with any type of heart problems

or hypertensives). It relieves the spasm of brochial muscle that

underlies the asthmatic state(Weiss, 1996).

Ephedra's misuse(too much, too often, for the WRONG problem) by some

people led to their deaths, and the subsequent scrutiny by the FDA(to

take it off the market).



Here is a partial article taken from CNN:



> Herbal Phen-Fen is also composed of two                      ingredients. One is ephedra, an herb that acts as                      a stimulant and may, in some cases, be too                      stimulating. The other is St. John's Wort, an herb                      that is an anti-depressant and also thought to                      help control the appetite."The idea of combining the two herbs,"                       says Heymsfield, "is that there is a                      positive synergism as there is with conventional                      Fen-Phen. But that has yet to be established."                       Dr. Xavier Pi-Sunyer, the head of obesity research                      at St. Lukes-Roosevelt Medical Center, says he                      doesn't think Herbal Phen-Fen should be marketed                      before research is complete, even though the                      company that makes it is paying for the studies.                       "I personally think it!

!

 is a mistake and the public                      in many ways is getting bilked into buying                      substances that we don't have any evidence that                      they're working," he says.                      Diet pills no substitute for discipline                      Barbara Peters, a participant in the study, says                      she doesn't know if she's getting a placebo or                      Herbal Phen-Fen, but she says she has more                      willpower than she used to have.                       "I walk by temptations I might not have walked by                      before," she says                      If research confirms that the herbal version does                      work, weight-loss counselors say it is best to use                      it as an aid to good discipline, not a substitute

>                      for it.



-- 



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                                                                           

Mary Wulff-Tilford,  Herbalist

ANIMALS' APAWTHECARY/animals@bitterroot.net

http://www.petsage.com/remedies/apawthecary.html







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Herbal weight loss

From: J <soreal@home.com>

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:44:04 -0400

--------

> regarding the herbal Phen-fen...it contains Ephedra



Please use anything containing Ephedra with caution. I have absolutely

no health problems, and casually popped 1 (!) to assist in weight loss,

and almost checked out. I have no known allergies, and have never had a

bizarre reaction to any herb before or since. 



If I hadn't had experience with drugs (20+ years ago, but, hey, I

remember) I probably would have completely flipped out. It was like the

worst of the worst bad speed.

-- 

Joan



"I am a kind of paranoid in reverse.  

I suspect people of plotting to make me happy." 

J.D. Salinger





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Herbal weight loss

From: Lesa Brodeur <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 10:22:24

--------



>> regarding the herbal Phen-fen...it contains Ephedra

>

>Please use anything containing Ephedra with caution. 



I too have heard some serious caution on Ephedra/Ma Huang.  I beleive that

it is now being used as a recreational drug.



Lesa

>





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: RE: HerbInfo: Herbal weight loss

From: "Mike Novar" <mnovo@MSN.COM>

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 97 22:51:46 UT

--------

Anyone using should be caution.  We have formulated ours with only 8% Ephedra 

others are still using higher dosages.



Best of Health



John Novar

http://www.kombuchapower.com/phen-fen.htm Herbal Phen-Fen

St. John's Wort natures antidepressant



-----Original Message-----

From:	HerbInfo-Sender@bolis.com  On Behalf Of J

Sent:	Saturday, July 26, 1997 12:44 PM

To:	HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject:	Re: HerbInfo: Herbal weight loss



> regarding the herbal Phen-fen...it contains Ephedra



Please use anything containing Ephedra with caution. I have absolutely

no health problems, and casually popped 1 (!) to assist in weight loss,

and almost checked out. I have no known allergies, and have never had a

bizarre reaction to any herb before or since. 



If I hadn't had experience with drugs (20+ years ago, but, hey, I

remember) I probably would have completely flipped out. It was like the

worst of the worst bad speed.

-- 

Joan



"I am a kind of paranoid in reverse.  

I suspect people of plotting to make me happy." 

J.D. Salinger





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To: "HerbInfo@bolis.com" <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: Herb Book release

From: animals@bitterroot.net (Tilford, Mary)

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:00:05 +0000

--------

Announcing the release of a new herb book, "Edible and Medicinal Plants

of the West", by Gregory Tilford, Published by Mountain Press

Publishing, 240pages, $21. available through most bookstores(if

purchased through the publisher and you mention "U.P.S., a portion of

the cover price will be donated to United Plant Savers--

http://www.plantsavers.org/.) Nearly 200 clear, concise, color photos of

plants; many of these plants grow coast to coast.

Email me privately if you have any questions.

-- 



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~                                                                           

Mary Wulff-Tilford,  Herbalist/AHG

ANIMALS' APAWTHECARY/animals@bitterroot.net

http://www.petsage.com/remedies/apawthecary.html





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Herb Book release

From: Mjmoongold@aol.com

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:32:49 -0400 (EDT)

--------

I've seen the book and it is beautiful. Even for those of us in the East it

will be a helpful resource - great pictures for identifying.



Mary Joan

mjmoongol@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: suppression vs. addressing root causes

From: Mjmoongold@aol.com

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 08:15:55 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Given the comments about suppression of symptoms, I'm interested in comments

about suppression vs. addressing root causes.



My daughter was being treated homeopathically for emotional symptoms with

some success, but then I recognized (as her mother who knows and loves her)

that although the tantrums had disappeared, she wasn't herself. She was

manically happy. (Hard to believe we could complain about this!) I believe

the remedy was suppressing her symptom, and not addressing the root which was

karmic. Suppressing the symptom prevents her from working out whatever it is

that she needs to expel. So I took her off the remedy. Sometimes we use it

when we all need a break.



I've also heard of suppression when treating skin rashes homeopathically

without a professional. The rash could go away, but the symptom could

manifest as lung conditions such as asthma.



I think of using herbs in a wise woman way as addressing the root through

nourishment and strengthening. Using herbs allopathically - only trying to

remove the symptom - probably would result in suppression. IMHO. In the St.

John's Wort example, simply taking St. John's without also including a brain

and andrenal tonic, not to mention other issues the person could have going

on, may result in an improvement, but not a deep healing.



I'm eager to hear what you have to say about suppression vs. root causes.



Mary Joan Deutschbein

aspiring herbalist

Moon Gold Press and Workshops

mjmoongold@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: suppression vs. addressing root causes

From: J <soreal@home.com>

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:16:22 -0400

--------

> My daughter was being treated homeopathically for emotional symptoms with

> some success, but then I recognized (as her mother who knows and loves her)

> that although the tantrums had disappeared, she wasn't herself. She was

> manically happy. (Hard to believe we could complain about this!) I believe

> the remedy was suppressing her symptom, and not addressing the root which was

> karmic. Suppressing the symptom prevents her from working out whatever it is

> that she needs to expel. So I took her off the remedy.



And don't forget the things that get unmasked with each adjustment. 



I agree, that the best way to address any condition is by looking to the

root, but you have to respect where the person is in their healing

process. Especially with depression, sometimes one has to feel better

before they can even remember why it is that they  <want> to feel

better. Help them out of the fog first. I probably could have expressed

that better. :-)



Please tell more about what you have found effective for adrenals/brain.



Joan





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: suppression vs. addressing root causes

From: Mark Gold <mgold@tiac.net>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 18:24:17 -0400 (EDT)

--------

>From: Mjmoongold@aol.com

>Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 08:15:55 -0400 (EDT)

>To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

>Subject: HerbInfo: suppression vs. addressing root causes

>

>I've also heard of suppression when treating skin rashes homeopathically

>without a professional. The rash could go away, but the symptom could

>manifest as lung conditions such as asthma.



Mary,



I have seen many Homeopaths online who strongly recommend seeing a 

professional as opposed to self-treatment.  I guess that is so that 

they can look at all of the symptoms and not just the skin rashes in 

making prescription recommendations.



>I think of using herbs in a wise woman way as addressing the root through

>nourishment and strengthening. Using herbs allopathically - only trying to

>remove the symptom - probably would result in suppression. IMHO. In the St.

>John's Wort example, simply taking St. John's without also including a brain

>and andrenal tonic, not to mention other issues the person could have going

>on, may result in an improvement, but not a deep healing.



I would be interested in information on the use of brain and adrenal 

tonics with SJW.  What kind of herb combinations were you thinking 

of.  I look forward to any information you have on the subject.



Best Wishes,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

                     Holistic Healing Web Page

             http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/health.html

                     No Web Access? Email Me







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: St John's Wort

From: caitriona@juno.com (Carrie K Sanders)

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:01:05 EDT

--------

  I am new to this list and I came in ont he tale end of this discussion.

 My question is this.  What is the recomended dossage of SJW in general?



Caitriona





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: St John's Wort

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:12:39 -0500

--------



Hi...



Go to  www.hypericum.com



Read all about it.  I found it most interesting.



It gives you the info and the dosage..



jb

==





At 11:01 AM 7/26/97 EDT, you wrote:

>  I am new to this list and I came in ont he tale end of this discussion.

> My question is this.  What is the recomended dossage of SJW in general?

>

>Caitriona

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: HerbInfo/St John's Wort

From: Lesa Brodeur <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:37:04

--------



>In a holistic sense, SJW doesn't "treat" depression, but masks it. Just

>like Prozac and other drugs. To treat depression would be to get to the

>root cause...to find out what Causes the depression and make certain

>lifestyle changes. To take SJW because it is "natural" and not make

>lifestyle changes, diet changes, etc, is just the same as taking a

>synthetic drug...or like taking an aspirin for a shotgun blast to the

>head:<)



However, it is my belief that there are often *chemical* reasons for

depression. Some chemical reactions *can't* be alleviated, i.e., pollution,

job, 1990's stress, terminal/life illness.

In that case, there is not a lot that can be done outside of treating the

chemical imbalance.



Lesa









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Sleep help

From: lynneslayden@juno.com (Lynne Slayden)

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:45:47 -0700

--------

Hi,

I'm new to the list and I know very little about herbs. So forgive me if

I sound some what daft.

In an effort to get my daughter back into the school swing, we have

started to make her go to bed

earlier. After a summer of unconstruted sleep patterns (bed late-up late)

she is having a hard time

getting to sleep. Does anyone have any suggestions. By the way she is 13

and about 80lbs.



Thanks,

Lynne







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Sleep help

From: DomMana@aol.com

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:45:07 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-26 19:59:29 EDT, lynneslayden@juno.com (Lynne

Slayden) writes:



<<  After a summer of unconstruted sleep patterns (bed late-up late)

 she is having a hard time

 getting to sleep. Does anyone have any suggestions. >>



Hi Lynne!



I'm a mom, too -- but my oldest is only 9, so I don't have those fluctuating

teenage sleep patterns to deal with. Yet. (!)



Teens naturally tend toward staying up late and getting up late, so to some

extent you probably won't be able to completely alter her preference. But one

thing that I do with my kids as school approaches, which may (or may not)

help your daughter, is an incremental plan of moving bedtimes backward. Have

her go to bed 15 minutes earlier every night for a week. Then move it another

15 minutes for a few days. Then another... until she's at the time she ought

to be.



I know this isn't an herbal remedy, and I'm sure that those more

knowledgeable about herbal sleep aids will have some good suggestions for you

that you could perhaps use in conjunction with the moving-bedtime plan. I've

heard some say Valerian or chamomile are good. I don't know if they're OK for

a 13 year old or not.



Good luck!!!



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Sleep help

From: Herbs2you@aol.com

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:05:11 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Look for a combo of valarian root, hops and passion flower at the Health food

store.

It stinks but it works! HVP is a brand name..Natures Sunshine...1

capsule..maybe 2





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Sleep help

From: Jan Schmidt <jans@rnet.com>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 97 09:40:48 PDT

--------

Lynne,

   My daughter and I made a homade version of "Sleepy Time"  tea. It really works! 

  Use equal amounts of Lemon Balm, Hops, Chamomile, Catnip,and  1 1/2 to 2 parts Peppermint to make it more pleasant tasting. WHen brewing allow 1-2 tablespoons herbs per cup. 

Hope this helps,

Jan Schmidt

P.S. We use cup measurements and stored it for future use. Also we used dried ingredients.



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Where there is Dirt, There is Soap!

All things are Possible for those that Love the Lord!!!

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JANS@RNET.COM

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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Sleep help

From: "Rhonda B. Smith" <rsmith@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:34:50 -0500 (CDT)

--------

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Lynne Slayden wrote:



> I'm new to the list and I know very little about herbs. So forgive me if

> I sound some what daft.

> In an effort to get my daughter back into the school swing, we have

> started to make her go to bed

> earlier. After a summer of unconstruted sleep patterns (bed late-up late)

> she is having a hard time

> getting to sleep. Does anyone have any suggestions. By the way she is 13

> and about 80lbs.



I was under the impression that if you were having sleep problems it was 

from one of two things:



1.	If you can't get to sleep then you have a calcium deficiency.

2.	If you can't stay asleep once you've gone to sleep then you

	have a magnesium deficiency.



Could be wrong on that but it has sure helped me and has gotten me away 

from the melatonin.



Rhonda





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Sleep help

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:22:31 -0500

--------

At 08:34 AM 7/28/97 -0500, you wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Lynne Slayden wrote:

>





This is most interesting... I sure would like to hear more

about this.  As well as how it would or might relate

to someone who suffers from High Blood Pressure.. and A bit of

a Heart Problem..



TIA



Jennifer ( who is so very glad she is on this list)



====



>I was under the impression that if you were having sleep problems it was 

>from one of two things:

>

>1.	If you can't get to sleep then you have a calcium deficiency.

>2.	If you can't stay asleep once you've gone to sleep then you

>	have a magnesium deficiency.

>

>Could be wrong on that but it has sure helped me and has gotten me away 

>from the melatonin.

>

>Rhonda

>







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: RE: HerbInfo: Sleep help

From: "Mike Novar" <mnovo@msn.com>

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 04:43:20 UT

--------

To determine if you might be deficient in minerals you might be interest in 

looking at a hair analysis.  I posted mine on my web site it shows you if youe 

toxic or have deficiencies.



Best of Health,



John M. Novar

St. John's Wort natures antidepressant.

Herbal Phen-Fen a natural alternative for weight  reduction.  For additional 

information visit our web site http:/www.kombuchapower.com or email us at 

mail@kombuchapower.com 

305-443-9988 or 800-862-1353



-----Original Message-----

From:	HerbInfo-Sender@bolis.com  On Behalf Of Jennifer A. Bishop

Sent:	Monday, July 28, 1997 10:23 AM

To:	HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject:	Re: HerbInfo: Sleep help



At 08:34 AM 7/28/97 -0500, you wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Lynne Slayden wrote:

>





This is most interesting... I sure would like to hear more

about this.  As well as how it would or might relate

to someone who suffers from High Blood Pressure.. and A bit of

a Heart Problem..



TIA



Jennifer ( who is so very glad she is on this list)



====



>I was under the impression that if you were having sleep problems it was 

>from one of two things:

>

>1.	If you can't get to sleep then you have a calcium deficiency.

>2.	If you can't stay asleep once you've gone to sleep then you

>	have a magnesium deficiency.

>

>Could be wrong on that but it has sure helped me and has gotten me away 

>from the melatonin.

>

>Rhonda

>







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: correction: maple syrup

From: silwit@suba.com (Ray Bayley)

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 01:34:43 -0500 (CDT)

--------

Oooops, sorry.  Maple sugar/syrup is sucrose (table sugar) whereas honey is

the mixture of glucose and fructose, not chemically combined into sucrose.









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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:55:32 -0700 (PDT)

--------

Hello HerbInfo Listmembers,



Every week, I get a "breakdown" of membership roles.



Thought you might like to see it.



Sam

HerbInfo List



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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Re: adrenala and brain tonics

From: Mjmoongold@aol.com

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 20:10:10 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Mark said "I would be interested in information on the use of brain and

adrenal 

tonics with SJW.  What kind of herb combinations were you thinking 

of.  I look forward to any information you have on the subject."



I haven't got a lot of time right now to really research this, so please do

not act on this information without researching on your own or consulting an

herbalist.



Off the top of my head my favorite brain tonics are scullcap and oatstraw.

Lemon balm is up there, too. All of those would soothe the frazzled mind. To

increase mental clarity and agility I would use gotu kola and or gingko. None

of these should cause problems with longterm use in reasonable amounts as far

as I know.



As for toning the adrenals: my favorite is nettles. At this time of year they

can be eaten (cooked, of course), as well as put in teas or tinctured. My

experience is that properly dried nettles used in tea are more effective than

tinctures, but that might just be my body. I have also used borage as a

stimulating adrenal tonic, but I have read in a couple of places that borage

should be used long term, so I just use it sporadically (two weeks here, two

weeks there).



My sympathies to those suffering from chronic depression; I didn't mean to

belittle the condition.



Mary Joan Deutschbein

aspiring herbalist

Moon Gold Press and Workshops

mjmoongold@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: something for the brain...

From: Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod <ejanison@twd.net>

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 01:09:33 -0400

--------

Hello:



I would like to know if there is any type of herbal preparation that can

help you in your study habits.  I am currently finishing up my MBA

(December tentatively), carrying fulltime study, and am currently studying

for the Pennsylvania CPA Exam.  Anything would be helpful!!!



ESJ









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: something for the brain...

From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 02:38:31 -0400 (EDT)

--------

In a message dated 97-07-28 01:22:01 EDT, you write:



<< I would like to know if there is any type of herbal preparation that can

 help you in your study habits.  I am currently finishing up my MBA

 (December tentatively), carrying fulltime study, and am currently studying

 for the Pennsylvania CPA Exam.  Anything would be helpful!!!

 

 ESJ >>



Prayer.  Often. :-)  With lots of warm peppermint tea fixed by loving hands.

You must be under a great deal of stress.  I thought my daughter was going to

collapse in grad school. You are carrying a big load.



If you have no acute or chronic health problems, the main thing is to keep

yourself from burning out and starting some.  Most of all avoid junk food and

fast foods. You will have to keep a healthful diet and get proper rest and

exercise.  OK, go on, say it...dream on McDuff.  Be sure you don't skip

meals, and eat warm food.  Lots of vegetable soups (homemade).



This would be the time for a good multiple vitamin and mineral supplement.



I would hesitate to prescribe any herb until you present a detailed account

of your health status.  Would hate to see you taking cold herbs if you

already have a cold nature or condition, etc.  It would weaken you further.

 An irritated liver wouldn't be helped by a hot herb.  Well, you get the

picture.



Traiteusse@aol.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: something for the brain...

From: Herbs2you@aol.com

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:18:59 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Ginko/GotaKola is great for memory and sharpening the mind for studies!

Try to get it in the blend. D. Jetter  herbs2you





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To: HerbInfo <herbinfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re:HerbInfo: Sleep Help

From: meydrech@bellatlantic.net

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:52:00 -0700

--------

Hi,



> Look for a combo of valarian root, hops and passion 

> flower at the Health food

> store. It stinks but it works! HVP is a brand name..Natures > 

> Sunshine...1 capsule..maybe 2



In some areas, health food stores do not carry Nature's Sunshine

Products, and you have to purchase them through members or

distributors of the NSP.



My husband uses straight Valerian Root from Nature's Sunshine 

during times when he has trouble sleeping.  He is a big man, so

takes 2 1/2 hour before bedtime.  I prefer the HVP myself. 

1 is usually enough to help me sleep. We are all different, and

the amount we need of any herb may vary.  I usually suggest 

people start with 1/2 the amount suggested on the bottle, then

work up to the full amount, if no change.(Note: Have also

used HVP during stressful times during the day as well.)



Have a great day,

claudia

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome/healingherbs.html

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal, NSP, AIM, our story, etc.









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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Introduction

From: "Gerry O'Neill" <eoneill@ibm.net>

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:09:28 -0400

--------

Hello, all!



This is my first posting to the list, and have been requested to send a

brief (?) intro.



I've lived in Oak Ridge, TN (eastern part of the state, just west of

Knoxville) for 30 years (27 of them in our present house, which is old and

small, but is blessed with a half-acre and a large greenhouse). Have

husband, no kids, two Siamese cats and a full time career. The property

borders a greenbelt, so you may from time to time hear whining about deer,

groundhogs, skunks, raccoons and kudzu, endless kudzu.



I've been growing herbs for most of those 27 years. Most of them are

culinary (which is my primary interest), but I'm also a collector of

perennial Salvias and tropical hibiscus. My special favorites among the

herbs are the thymes, rosemary and that queen of annual herbs, basil. In

fact, I use fresh basil in some form just about every day. My current

favorite is O. basilicum 'African Blue' which I acquired from H&H Herbs

this spring and absolutely love for its flavor as well as its ornamental

value.



This year, for the first time, I'm growing most of my herbs in large terra

cotta pots, since I planned on rebuilding my raised beds (hah!) so didn't

want to put much out in the garden. I've been surprised by my success

(expected some lessening of flavor since I'm growing them in Promix) and

tend to attribute it to fish emulsion once a week instead of regular

fertilizer. My four-year-old rosemary 'Arp' is still in the ground, though,

and has survived some pretty rough winters.



Looking forward to hearing from all of you, and hopefully learn a lot. Am

interested in trading seed as well as small plants...



Gerry O'Neill (TN/6b)

eoneill@ibm.net







==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Introduction

From: Kim Ord <kordord@vicon.net>

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:53:51 -0400

--------

Gerry,



I am new to this list also.  This is my first post and a small intro.  I

use herbs for culinary, potpourri, spiritual, ceremonial, and medicinal

purposes.  This summer is the first though that I have put my green

thumb to work growing my own.  I currently have catnip, 3 types of mint,

lemon balm, sweet grass, echineacea, and citrosa growing in planters

here and have basil, parsley, dill, and others growing in a garden

shared with another couple at their house in the country (I live in town

and do not have the space).  I use other plants for the above purposes

also, such as willow, roses, many other flowering plants, and others.  



I will be getting some live white sage plants in the next couple of

months, when the Lakota holy man, who promised them arrives back east

here from the Sundance he was participating in at Pine Ridge.  They will

be my biggest challenge to grow on the east coast ( actually central

PA).  



Gerry, what type of seeds and small potted plants are you thinking about

trading?  And what would you like in return?  



Kim Ord



Gerry O'Neill wrote:

> 

> Hello, all!

> 

> This is my first posting to the list, and have been requested to send a

> brief (?) intro.

> 

> I've lived in Oak Ridge, TN (eastern part of the state, just west of

> Knoxville) for 30 years (27 of them in our present house, which is old and

> small, but is blessed with a half-acre and a large greenhouse). Have

> husband, no kids, two Siamese cats and a full time career. The property

> borders a greenbelt, so you may from time to time hear whining about deer,

> groundhogs, skunks, raccoons and kudzu, endless kudzu.

> 

> I've been growing herbs for most of those 27 years. Most of them are

> culinary (which is my primary interest), but I'm also a collector of

> perennial Salvias and tropical hibiscus. My special favorites among the

> herbs are the thymes, rosemary and that queen of annual herbs, basil. In

> fact, I use fresh basil in some form just about every day. My current

> favorite is O. basilicum 'African Blue' which I acquired from H&H Herbs

> this spring and absolutely love for its flavor as well as its ornamental

> value.

> 

> This year, for the first time, I'm growing most of my herbs in large terra

> cotta pots, since I planned on rebuilding my raised beds (hah!) so didn't

> want to put much out in the garden. I've been surprised by my success

> (expected some lessening of flavor since I'm growing them in Promix) and

> tend to attribute it to fish emulsion once a week instead of regular

> fertilizer. My four-year-old rosemary 'Arp' is still in the ground, though,

> and has survived some pretty rough winters.

> 

> Looking forward to hearing from all of you, and hopefully learn a lot. Am

> interested in trading seed as well as small plants...

> 

> Gerry O'Neill (TN/6b)

> eoneill@ibm.net



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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: tincture question

From: Lesa Brodeur <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:09:57

--------

Does anyone have the directions for making a tincture?

Can it be done with just water?



Lesa









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: tincture question

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:22:58 GMT

--------

On Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:09:57, Lesa Brodeur <jacoly@worldnet.att.net> wrote to

HerbInfo@bolis.com:



>Does anyone have the directions for making a tincture?

>Can it be done with just water?



If you make 'tincture' with just water you don't call it tincture, you call it

tea.



Tincture by definition is made out of a mixture of alcohol and water; usually

it's 95% alcohol, 5% water for fresh herbs, and for dried herbs as a rule of

thumb 40-60% alcohol, the rest water.



You'll find tincturing directions in most good herbals.



Henriette



--

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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: tincture question

From: "Ron Zorn/Lisa Peterson" <LotusBlssm@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:34:43 -0500

--------

the active ingredients of most herbs are more soluble in alcohol than

water, especially when the water is not very hot.  For this reason our

forfathers frequently mixed herbs with whiskey-usually adding about two to

four ounces of herb to a pint of whiskey. If you want to be more medicinal

about it, you can get pure ethyl alcohol from a liquor store (everclear) ,

but this is usually 90% alcohol or 180 proof and must be diluted by adding

anywhere from an equal amount to four times as much water. This mixture of

the active ingredient and alcohol, or alcohol and water is known as a

tincture. 



An elixir is similar to a tincture in that it contains alcohol, but it is

also aromatic and sweetened.



----------

> From: Lesa Brodeur <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

> To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

> Subject: HerbInfo: tincture question

> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 11:09 AM

> 

> Does anyone have the directions for making a tincture?

> Can it be done with just water?

> 

> Lesa

> 





==========

To: HerbInfo <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: Saw-Palmetto

From: Bryan  <trapperjohn@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:01:00 -0400

--------

Hi,

Does Saw-Palmetto really work to reduce the prostate? How long before 

results are seen?

Also what is the correct dosage (mg & times per day)?

Does it work better when used with anything else?



Thanks in advance,

Bryan

Trapperjohn@mindspring.com







==========

To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: allergies

From: brown@engrng.pitt.edu (Janice Brown)

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:22:44 -0400

--------

What is a good herb or product for allergies?









==========

To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: allergies

From: Herbs2you@aol.com

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:00:25 -0400 (EDT)

--------

Usually a blend of herbs will address the symptoms. My favorite blends are

"ALJ"

containing boneset, fenugreek seed, horseradish root, Mullein, and fennel

seed,

My best blend for FL pollens..itchy..sneezy..is "FOUR" containing, blessed

thistle,

catnip, pleurisy root, and yerba santa. These are available from any Nature's

Sunshine distributor or N.S. Store. Most of all it's important to work on

digestion and building the imune system naturally so the allergies will

lessen from the start!

Getting to the root of the allergy is the best approach and using natural

alternatives for your misery in the mean time is best! Both my kids HAD

Asthma for 6 yrs. They don't have a sign of it now! No more inhalers and

shots! We worked on the bowels and digestion while building the immune

system. Took about 1 1/2 yrs until they were totally inhaler free....Well

worth the effort! We were glad to get off the merry go round of meds.    hope

this helps ,  herbs2you





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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: First Post Introduction

From: "John R. (Jack) Husted" <j.r.husted@larc.nasa.gov>

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:49:59 -0400

--------

Hello to you all!



This is my first posting to the list and I would like to briefly introduce

myself.



My wife and I were reared in New Jersey but have lived all over the country

from Rhode Island, to California, to Texas, and in Virginia for the last

sixteen years.  After our children grew up and left home, my wife and I

moved into a townhouse in Chesapeake, Virginia.  The townhouse has a 30 x

15 fenced yard which may seem small to many but is great for our life

style.  We have been growing culinary herbs and a few vegetables and

cutting flowers in raised beds.



We are not experts by any means and are looking forward to learning from

all of you.



Regards,



Jack Husted

j.r.husted@larc.nasa.gov 







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To: HERB@vm.ege.edu.tr

Subject: HerbInfo: Botanical Safety Commission News

From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:52:04 -0400 (EDT)

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Subj:	Botanical Safety Commission adopts  standards for herbal medicine;

Landmark/AcuN

Date:	97-07-29 16:13:39 EDT

From:	AOL News

BCC:	TRAITEUSSE



      SACRAMENTO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 29, 1997--As the health

care industry moves to include more alternative therapy options, the 

need to set standards for the safe use of herbal medicine has been 

championed by Landmark/AcuNET(R) and the Botanical Safety Commission 

(BSC).  The BSC is a group of licensed acupuncturists and 

representatives from major manufacturers and distributors of Oriental

herbal products across the nation.

          Landmark/AcuNET is underwriting the commission's efforts to lead 

the charge in establishing quality and safety guidelines.  Movement 

toward insurance reimbursement for certain herbal medicines, and the 

consumer safety issues involved with using herbs, prompted the 

company to organize a recent meeting in San Francisco.  These 

activities mark the first of this kind to monitor safe practices in 

the dispensation of herbal products within the managed care 

environment.

          Due to concerns about patient safety and the quality of care, 

Landmark/AcuNET and the BSC are advocating that insurance carriers 

reimburse for Oriental herbal medicines only when the products are 

recommended by a licensed health care practitioner who is trained in 

their use.

          "Although herbs are used as medicine throughout East Asia, in the

United States herbs are regulated as food and no medicinal claims can

be made for these products," said Dr. David Wells, D.C., L.Ac., and

chair of the commission.  "But, rather than allow these products to 

be sold directly to American consumers, Landmark/AcuNET and the 

herbal manufacturers recognize the medicinal aspects of their 

products and want to ensure patient safety and maintain a high level 

of care."

          To date, health plans and programs that cover herbal medicine 

have not aggressively considered the safety implications of providing

such a benefit.  Landmark/AcuNET and the BSC aim to heighten 

awareness and establish industry guidelines.

          In addition to focusing its attention on matters of insurance 

reimbursement for Oriental medicine, the commission also discussed 

the development of a new "traditional medicines" category through 

the United States Food and Drug Administration and new labeling 

guidelines for herbal medicines.  These topics are critical to 

address as the popularity of herbal medicine surges nationwide among 

health plans and individual consumers.

          "With the increased interest among consumers and health plans in 

alternative therapies, including herbal medicine, it is becoming more

important than ever that this therapy be held to comprehensive 

standards for quality and safety in a managed care environment,"  

Wells said.  "Standards must be set by the leaders in the Oriental 

medicine community before market forces create a public health 

nightmare."

          The commission reviewed the labeling classifications for herbs 

presented in the "Botanical Safety Handbook" by the American Herbal 

Products Association.  The book, which will be available in August, 

makes labeling recommendations for 700 herbs commonly used in the 

United States.  Although the BSC strongly advocates that herbal 

medicines be distributed only through licensed health care 

practitioners who are trained in their use, they recognize the need 

to develop labeling guidelines for herbal medicines sold over the 

counter.

          "We found the handbook to be a very valuable text, and plan to 

examine these proposed classifications of Oriental herbal products 

and the labeling recommendations more closely in the future," Wells 

commented.

          The commission also discussed the movement to create a new 

category of "traditional medicines" at the Food and Drug 

Administration within the next one to two years, which would allow 

herbal products to make claims beyond the "structure and function"  

claims allowed by the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 

1994.  Initial steps are underway to create monographs of individual 

herbs, which could form the basis for a standardized pharmacopoeia.

          Landmark Healthcare is a managed care company dedicated to the 

delivery of complementary alternative care therapies for group 

health, workers' compensation and Medicare populations.  Its 

comprehensive programs offer sophisticated managed care solutions 

across the country.  Landmark and AcuNET, an Encino-based acupuncture

independent practice association, recently formed a strategic 

alliance to expand the opportunities for acupuncture in managed care.

          For more information on Landmark Healthcare and AcuNET, visit the 

companies' web sites at http://www.landmarkhealthcare.com and 

http://acupuncture.com/mktplace/acunetpg1.htm .

      CONTACT: 

      Landmark Healthcare

      Sheri Chow, 916/569-3326







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: depression

From: rflinn@creighton.edu

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:36:53 -0500 (CDT)

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Sirs:



What is a good herb or product for depression?  I know a litte about St.

John's Wort?



thanks







 Ronald E. Flinn  Omaha, NE







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: depression

From: Herbs2you@aol.com

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:50:20 -0400 (EDT)

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Depression usually stems from the liver. You may need some cooling or

cleansing herbs. SJW helps with depression...a better alternative than

PROZAC! It's better to get at the root of the imbalance when possible.If you

live  near a large city..try to find an herbalist. I can help you find one if

you e-mail me.   herbs2you







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: depression

From: "Roselynn Stevens" <lady_antara@hotmail.com>

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:08:41 PDT

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>What is a good herb or product for depression?  I know a litte about 

St.

>John's Wort?



> Ronald E. Flinn  Omaha, NE



  Ronald,



  St. John's Wort is a wonderful anti-depressant, and this I know 

because I am taking S.J.W. for exactely that purpose.  It does not have 

the terrible side effects of prescription anti-depressants, though it 

does come with a warning about drowsiness.



  St. John't Wort also has antibacterial and antiviral properties, acts 

as a healing agent for burns and wounds, calms nervous disorders and 

aids in the relief of menstral cramps.



  Hope this helps!



  Roselynn Stevens





______________________________________________________

Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





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To: <HerbInfo@bolis.com>

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: depression

From: "Mary Russell" <bird@scrtc.blue.net>

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:54:33 -0500

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Roselyn and others.  I have a daughter who  has been the hysterical type

all her life.

She also has terrible PMS and now is on medications for a seizure disorder.

 

Does anyone on the list know if St John's wort would interferre with her

prescription drugs for the seizures.  I would like to send her some -

hoping  to bring some calmness into her life.   My other daughter is

clinically depressed and has started taking SJW .  The bottle  has 424 mg

tablets and said to take one a day.  This does not seem like much.  Will

that little really do anything and how long would it take until a person

notices a lessening of their symptoms.  

(Gee do you suppose it was caused by their Mother! My husband is depressed

too,

Maybe I should take it instead of them <G>)

Mary Russell      bird@scrtc.blue.net 

)



> From: Roselynn Stevens <lady_antara@hotmail.com>

> To: herbinfo@bolis.com

> Subject: Re: HerbInfo: depression

<snip>   

, calms nervous disorders and 

> aids in the relief of menstral cramps.

> 

>   Hope this helps!

> 

>   Roselynn Stevens

> 

> 

> ______________________________________________________

> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: depression

From: "Jennifer A. Bishop" <jb@awnet.com>

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:52:42 -0500

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At 12:08 PM 7/30/97 PDT, you wrote:



>  St. John't Wort also has antibacterial and antiviral properties, acts 

>as a healing agent for burns and wounds, calms nervous disorders and 

>aids in the relief of menstral cramps.

>

>  Hope this helps!





That would explain then why I no longer seem to suffer as much

with MC's anymore since I started taking SJW...  Do you know

a site where I could go and get more information about this other

than the sites that talk about the antidepression qualities..



TIA 

Best Regards,

jb

==







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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: depression

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:19:07 -0400

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Here's some SJW links



http://mypage.direct.ca/k/kelm/stjohns.html



http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/s/sajohn06.html



http://www.egregore.com/herb/stjohnw.htm

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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: SJW / Hypericum

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:47:38 -0500

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On 30 Jul 97 at 10:36, rflinn@creighton.edu wrote about HerbInfo: depression



> What is a good herb or product for depression?  I know a litte about St.

> John's Wort?



I downloaded all pages from www.hypericum.com.

Do you want me to send them as text ? I won't be a problem

for me, I can do it overnite.

Let me know If i can be of help.

 

Osvaldo 

mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec





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To: Herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: Chinese herbs

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:47:38 -0500

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Herb-Info List.



Dear Members:



May I have some information abt the following, 

which is contained in a chinese preparation :



Radix Angelicae Sinensis

Radix  Polygalae

Semen Ziziphi Spinosae

Fructus Lycii

Dens Draconis.



TIA for your inputs.

Osvaldo 

mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec





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To: HerbInfo <herbinfo@bolis.com>

Subject: HerbInfo: Coffee Enema Question

From: meydrech@bellatlantic.net

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:04:54 -0700

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I have a friend who has been using many alternatives in her successful

battle with breast cancer.  She has been doing coffee enemas 

regularly for some time.  She is about to go to another natural

healing center, and in preparation they have asked her to come off

the coffee enemas, saying that coffee is not good for us excessively

and that they will be starting her on chamomile enemas, that do the

same thing as the coffee enemas.  Any feedback on this?? Specifically,

how can a chamomile enema work the same as coffee enema?  I have

always been under the impression that the focus of coffee enema

is cleansing the liver.  I am puzzled because the action of coffee

and chamomile is so opposite, stimulant -v- calming.  She is

going to call me next week to see what I have found out.  Thanks!



Have a good day,

claudia

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal









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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Coffee Enema Question

From: "P.Nighswander" <abbott@kos.net>

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:27:28 -0400

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To fight the battle against breast cancer eat fish as much as

possible to get those omega-three fats and not fried fish,

oven baked poached etc. This could be anywhere from three to

seven times a week depending on how serious you are. Eat a

high fibre low fat diet.About 30 units of fibre a day which if

your diet is devoid of this will have to be gradual. Stay away

from industrial contaminants such as the water supply of Lake

Ontario, Erie etc use a filter to get out more contaminants.

Eat lots of vegetables. The Japanese have very low amounts of

breast cancer because their diet is better than our. Kingston

Ontario just had an international conference on breast cancer

and one of the discoveries is it occurs more around the great

lakes. Is it pollution?pn







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To: herbinfo@bolis.com

Subject: Re: HerbInfo: Coffee Enema Question

From: "Osvaldo" <osf@ecua.net.ec>

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:55:48 -0500

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On 31 Jul 97 at 10:04, meydrech@bellatlantic.net wrote about HerbInfo: Coffee 

Enema Question



> I have a friend who has been using many alternatives in her successful

> battle with breast cancer. 



I laos have interest in this subject. My sister ,Silvia , is also

fighting against cancer, so...I will be very appreciative of

any input.

 



Osvaldo 

mailto:osf@ecua.net.ec





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To: HerbInfo@bolis.com

Subject: HerbInfo: RE: depression

From: Roselynn Stevens <lady_antara@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:20:30 -0400

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> Do you know a site where I could go and get more information about this other

>than the sites that talk about the antidepression qualities..



Jb,



  I looked through several sites trying to find some information for you,

but the few sites that did not completely cover the anti-depressant aspect

of SJW only briefly mentioned what else it was used to treat.  I shall

continue to keep looking though!  (To be honest, I am rather curious about

it myself.)



--Be Well and Take Care!--



  Roselynn

Township of Elizabethtown







